From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Thu Nov 1 07:52:42 2007 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:52:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4729E83A.2060200@cox.net> I think Tim Ronak did a really slick installation on his Tiger using the twisted wedge heads. I believe there was some firewall work involved. Tim, did you already get back to Phillip on this? Best Regards David Sosna PHILLIP SILK wrote: > Do any of you have any experience trying to fit a 302 with aftermarket heads > like the Trickflow Twisted Wedge in the engine bay of your Tiger? Is there > enough clearance at the valve cover to make it work? > > Thanks. > > Phillip > _________________________________________________________________ From milano164 at comcast.net Thu Nov 1 14:31:44 2007 From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:31:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] HSC article and Alpine articles Message-ID: <5323D97B-E907-4BD0-8E54-0248773409BD@comcast.net> Chuck, Actually, there have been some really good articles on the Alpine fairly recently. I don't know if you get Hemming's Sports and Exotics but they did a story on the a very nice red Series II, I think June 2007. Hemmings also ran an article on the Sports Car Forum Alpine, September 2005 in their very first issue. http://www.hemmings.com/store/backissues.html?publication=HSX Also, Vintage Racecar Journal ran a nice story on the Sebring Alpines and the LeMans Alpine last year. http:// www.vintageracecar.com/ If you, or anyone else, would like me to e-mail you the PDF story on Vince Tamburo, won the 1960 G-production championship in the Alpine, or the story on Steve Alcala's Sebring Alpine that is nearly finished, I would be glad to. (I wrote the stories and Scott Christie did a beautiful job of editing). Just write me... I thought the HSC article was really good. The Tiger is looking really great and it is fantastic that some of these really important production cars, Alpines and Tigers, are getting saved or restored. Steve P.S. clearly Tigers have significant value... however, the Alpine race cars I have found are at the "end of the their road" and well beat. Just short of scrap. If you happen to see an Alpine you believe might have been raced please write. Most likely, I can tell you exactly who raced it and when with a bit of research. The first clue on an Alpine I look for is an exhaust mount rubber mounted just behind the head on the firewall or the throttle bracket has additional reinforcement. Two typical racing modification that I see on most every Alpine for the track. SS. From Rollright at aol.com Thu Nov 1 15:40:58 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:40:58 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info) Message-ID: Hello, Bought a new set of stock chrome (repro.) valve covers from Mustangs Unltd. to go on the rebuilt engine in process. Are they ever shiny. Sadly, much more shiny than the originals. Just talked to Rick at SS. I got from him some time ago one of the above labels that go on the right valve cover that says Sunbeam Ltd.. Brand new but blank of car specific information. I heard from a Canadian lister that there is a guy who will take a blank Sunbeam Ltd. valve cover label and put your info on it. Can anybody steer me to the right person? BTW: Rick wants that done for his car also. Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Nov 1 16:59:35 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info) Message-ID: <329649.9630.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim - I was looking at the same ones from another mustang place. I really like the stock looking ones from the 289 Hipo's. Can you tell me what type of valve train (roller rockers or not) that you have on your engine? I don't want to buy a set that is not 'hackable' into working. I think the breather baffles were a problem for some as well as overall height. Thanks Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Rollright at aol.com" To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Cc: sunsp22 at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:40:58 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info) Hello, Bought a new set of stock chrome (repro.) valve covers from Mustangs Unltd. to go on the rebuilt engine in process. Are they ever shiny. Sadly, much more shiny than the originals. Just talked to Rick at SS. I got from him some time ago one of the above labels that go on the right valve cover that says Sunbeam Ltd.. Brand new but blank of car specific information. I heard from a Canadian lister that there is a guy who will take a blank Sunbeam Ltd. valve cover label and put your info on it. Can anybody steer me to the right person? BTW: Rick wants that done for his car also. Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Fri Nov 2 09:53:36 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:53:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c81d70$e96126a0$64f3c04a@jerry> Phillip I have a 5.0 block with AFR 165 heads with the CAT club polished aluminum valve covers and all fits well. Remember the CAT covers have the fins shaved off towards the back just so they will clear. Good luck PS Did any one make SEMA this year? It was awesome. My first year. Jerry Christopherson #9473187 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PHILLIP SILK Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:19 PM To: Tigerlist Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance Do any of you have any experience trying to fit a 302 with aftermarket heads like the Trickflow Twisted Wedge in the engine bay of your Tiger? Is there enough clearance at the valve cover to make it work? Thanks. Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Nov 2 10:02:28 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:02:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: I was speaking to a Canadian lady friend today who asked what kind of old car I had. When I told her, the following was her response. "I know that down in Watkins there was always some commotion when a Sunbeam was spotted. As a matter of fact I was just speaking with a friend of mine from Pittsburgh just this morning. I met at Watkins about 6 years ago. I mentioned that you had a Sunbeam and the first thing he asked was if it was a Tiger? " ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Nov 2 10:15:48 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:15:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EF7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Around here you don't see Tigers (or any Sunbeam, for that matter) on the street very often. Last one I saw was Jim Foster's V8 Alpine, a couple of months ago. Most often people's response to the statement "I drive a Tiger" is one of: - a what? - Is that a kit car? - That has the Chrysler V8 right? - I knew a (friend/friend of a friend/other 3rd removed relation) who had one! So, yeah, people get excited, but not necessarily for the right reasons. What is interesting is that the Tiger managed to make an indelible imprint on many people's memories, even if they were not car enthusiasts. Theo From PhastPhill at aol.com Fri Nov 2 11:13:06 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:13:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: Well I'm in Canada and I have aTiger....lol....And now I have Canadian dollars....whoo hoo...evil Bay shopping time.!!!! From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Nov 2 11:25:44 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:25:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EF7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EF7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <472B6BA8.3040809@mayfco.com> I can certainly attest to that! Over the course of 2 summers at Bonneville, I must have had at least a hundred people come by and look at the "Tiger" because they used to own one, drove one, lusted after one. When I tell them that it is not a Tiger but an Alpine with a big motor, they don't seem phased about it at all. Lots of Alpine people also show up. I always try to tell them though that this car represents all Sunbeams, Alpines or Tigers and they all think is definitely cool. As I was dragging the car and trailer off the salt in several inches of really salty water headed for home, a Brit Biker magazine crew wanted me to stop, turn around, go back to the pits and unload the car so they could have a photo shoot. This was a Biker mag, lol... from England... they were excited... mayf Smit, Theo wrote: >Around here you don't see Tigers (or any Sunbeam, for that matter) on >the street very often. Last one I saw was Jim Foster's V8 Alpine, a >couple of months ago. Most often people's response to the statement "I >drive a Tiger" is one of: >- a what? >- Is that a kit car? >- That has the Chrysler V8 right? >- I knew a (friend/friend of a friend/other 3rd removed relation) who >had one! > >So, yeah, people get excited, but not necessarily for the right reasons. >What is interesting is that the Tiger managed to make an indelible >imprint on many people's memories, even if they were not car >enthusiasts. > >Theo >_______________________________________________ From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 11:25:15 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:25:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EF7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <006101c81d7d$b713ba20$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Theo wrote >>>- I knew a (friend/friend of a friend/other 3rd removed relation) who had one!<<< That one always makes me grin. Either every Tiger has changed hands 100+ times or the Rootes ledger were really fudged. Knowing someone who owned a Tiger rates right up there with how big of a fish was caught or how beautiful a now, no where to be found woman was that your buddy dated. Maybe thought, this is indicative of the recognition problem the Tiger has. The average Joe/Jane on the street can't distinguish the Alpine from the Tiger. I guess that makes the Tiger the "Rodney Dangerfield" of car collecting. Or the "Cubic Zirconia" of the "Shelby" family. Tom From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 2 11:48:41 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:48:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] When Welds Go Bad Message-ID: <001c01c81d80$fd4906a0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Ebay has a Tiger ( Item number: 140174893358) that shows what can happen when you piece a car togther. I don't know if this is a Alger but it looks like someone grafted on a Alpine front end to a chassis without proper reinforcement. The whole front end split off of the rest of the car after hitting a pothole according to the seller. I always wondered about cars where you hear a front or back end is grafted on to a chassis. I mean, how structually sound can can the car be overall? I guess this answers that question. Jeff From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Nov 2 12:01:35 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] When Welds Go Bad Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EF8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> When grafting a front clip on, normal practice would dictate that you don't put all your seams in a line, and use the factory panel seams wherever possible. Hitting anything at 15 mph shouldn't cause this kind of structural damage regardless of the severity of the pothole. Maybe they fiberglassed the fender halves together? Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: November 2, 2007 12:49 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] When Welds Go Bad Ebay has a Tiger ( Item number: 140174893358) that shows what can happen when you piece a car togther. I don't know if this is a Alger but it looks like someone grafted on a Alpine front end to a chassis without proper reinforcement. The whole front end split off of the rest of the car after hitting a pothole according to the seller. I always wondered about cars where you hear a front or back end is grafted on to a chassis. I mean, how structually sound can can the car be overall? I guess this answers that question. Jeff _______________________________________________ theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Nov 2 12:10:28 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:10:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] When Welds Go Bad Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/2007 2:49:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes: 140174893358 The BON has this car listed as being owned (I guess at one time) by Mike Abbott of Saratoga, CA. Current color at that time was red. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 13:19:37 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:19:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] When Welds Go Bad References: <001c01c81d80$fd4906a0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <009901c81d8d$b43ab640$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Strangely there seems to be no other damage to the front from the pot hole. I put the picture into Photoshop and it looks like the seam ran (and split) through the wheel well just behind the firewall brace. When one thinks about where the weight is placed it would seem that it should have folded the other way. When I replaced my front clip (leaving the original wheel well and frame rails) I overlapped the joint by about an inch. In the overlap area I cut 1 " "fingers" and then did a shallow Z bend under the original sheet metal, like a proper overlap should. This was welded on the top, bottom and along each finger joint. It probably amounted to about 2-3 linear feet of welds when done.While I won't be running it into a wall to test it, I don't think this will be the first area to bend in a collision. I'm no expert, but I would think that these type of extreme repairs can be done, but they need to be reinforced properly. Sadly thought, many probably forgo that for "appearance" sake. Tom From bobdixon at frii.com Fri Nov 2 13:44:25 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: <40091.192.55.12.36.1194036265.squirrel@users.frii.com> I get a lot of "A friend/relation of mine had one, it was really fast until he wrecked it". From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Nov 2 13:54:08 2007 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:54:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a theory: I believe that the hype surrounding a vintage high performance vehicles is inversely proportional to its rarity, i.e., the more scarce the vehicle, the faster it was. Here in NE Ohio, a Tiger or any other unibody car from England had a rust-out half-life of about thirty minutes, give or take a few. Not many cars lasted, but the legends continued on. There were three dealers that sold Rootes products here back in the day, so many folks at least knew about Tigers. Now, I get a lot of double-takes, mostly from gray-haired guys (like me) who hear the rumble and instinctively look up. Usually a nod or a thumbs-up follows. Of course, the spikey-haired kid in the trash-can exhausted Prelude could care less...until you smoke him to the next light. But then you run into "The expert". You know, the guy who knows more about your car than you do. They surround your car, usually at a cruise-in or similar venue, and tell all who will listen of the mighty feats of speed and racing that a Tiger was capable of performing. Yeh right. With 164 HP and those weenie tires. But never mind that, it was a Big Block Vette killer, cause he saw it when he was a kid... or heard about it... or knew someone who thought they heard it. And it goes on and on. Yawn. Sometimes I think I should paint a big red "S" on the hood, since I've been told so many times how well Tigers leap tall buildings with a single dump of the clutch. But instead I just sit back and listen, enjoying all those tire-kicking tales. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:02 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? I was speaking to a Canadian lady friend today who asked what kind of old car I had. When I told her, the following was her response. "I know that down in Watkins there was always some commotion when a Sunbeam was spotted. As a matter of fact I was just speaking with a friend of mine from Pittsburgh just this morning. I met at Watkins about 6 years ago. I mentioned that you had a Sunbeam and the first thing he asked was if it was a Tiger? " From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Nov 2 13:54:46 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:54:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: I get a lot of "A friend/relation of mine had one, it was really fast until he wrecked it". I had a guy approach me in the parking lot of Home Depot. Talked about the car and said that he had one years ago and his friend did too. Said when he wanted something else he sold his car to the friend and as far as he knew, the friend still had both of them stored in a barn behind his business. I figured it might be a wild goose chase, but the place was only about an hour away. When I went to the business I met the friend's wife and asked her about the Tigers. She said one must have been sold before she met her husband. The other did sit in the barn for years, but was sold about 10 yrs. ago and was all rusted out. She didn't know any more about it. Who it was sold to or for how much. Too bad because the original guy I talked with said his came with a 289 so I'm guessing it was a MKll. Anyway, my hopes of a "barn find" were dashed. Who could resist looking into it;-) Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rande at thecia.net Fri Nov 2 17:52:46 2007 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] HSC article Message-ID: <472bc65e.5f3c.0@thecia.net> Tim, and John Webber What timing. Just as I'm packing again for LA and San Diego, comes that great issue of Classic Motorsports in today's mail. A very big thank you. Rande From chris at cthompson.net Fri Nov 2 18:23:10 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:23:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472BCD7E.2010804@cthompson.net> I dropped by a local restaurant/bar a while ago just to hang with friends, who were numerous at the bar. The bartender, also friend of mine and a gearhead, asked me how my Tiger was doing. It was winter, and he asked if I was keeping it warm, and I said I was. He asked if I had taken it out lately, and sadly, no, was the response. Do you still love having it even in the winter? he asked. Of course. That kinda thing. I had noticed an acquaintance sitting at the stool next to me paying more and more attention to the conversation, until he couldn't hold back anymore. "A Tiger?!?!" Where are you keeping it, and what do you feed it?!?" Chris From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Nov 2 18:30:23 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:30:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: Chris, That is a great one! M ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mk1a at earthlink.net Fri Nov 2 21:11:35 2007 From: mk1a at earthlink.net (Cliff Alexander) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:11:35 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance Message-ID: <410-22007116341135859@earthlink.net> I recently installed a new Ford 5.0 crate motor with aluminum heads. I used the cast Tiger valve covers, with cut down fins, and Tom Hall's aluminum spacers to clear the roller rockers. The valve covers clear the firewall but it is tight. Cliff From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 21:14:11 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:14:11 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EF7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <006101c81d7d$b713ba20$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: > Theo wrote >>>- I knew a (friend/friend of a friend/other 3rd removed > relation) who had one!<<< I think my favorite one of these stories is the guy who came up while I was stopped in a bank parking lot putting the top up, who rolled down his passenger window, and started talking to me how he use to have an alpine, and always wanted a tiger, and tell me about all the great times he had in that car... of course the reason I was pulled over in the bank parking lot was that I got caught in one of those freak Colorado microburst rain storms and was getting drenched by the second without a jacket, and if I didn't get the top up soon, the tiger was going to become a Uboat soon. Of course the guy wanted to talk to me, and wanted me to tell stories too, but he didn't bother to get out of his car and get wet. And I am thinking, if you owned an alpine, you know that this isn't as simple as pressing the 'up' button to get the top up, and he could have gotten out and helped me get it up faster so I didn't get so wet in the process. Anyway, I managed to get the top up while the parking lot was practically a flash flood site and he still wanted to talk to me. But I was drenched and just wanted to get the car home. BTW 5 blocks later, it wasn't raining anymore. Steve From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Nov 2 21:27:37 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance Message-ID: <21177.99158.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, and thanks all for the various combinations of what folks are using. I'm somewhat excited as the chrome Hipo289 covers might work with a bit of work. I have a set of T&D shaft rockers and will just have to mock up and see what hits but they have no tall poly locks that stick up, but don't know about the rest of the stuff. Also seems that some of the rails for the valve covers are raised on some heads, but again not sure on the heads I'm using (Canfield's). Which does have the raised exhaust ports so might run into other issues (Headers are going to be custom for sure). Good stuff, thanks again for the info! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Cliff Alexander To: Tigerlist Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 9:11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance I recently installed a new Ford 5.0 crate motor with aluminum heads. I used the cast Tiger valve covers, with cut down fins, and Tom Hall's aluminum spacers to clear the roller rockers. The valve covers clear the firewall but it is tight. Cliff _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From musta32188 at msn.com Sat Nov 3 05:53:01 2007 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance In-Reply-To: <21177.99158.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21177.99158.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As many of you have said before, the List sure is a great resource. I really appreciate all of your great input. I was afraid I had no chance with taller aluminum heads, or would be told to modify the firewall (which I don't want to do). So, it looks like it will work, but there's no chance of taking the valve covers off while the engine is firmly bolted in the car... Thanks again to each of you who took the time to add something. I still look forward to hearing any other input anyone has. Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. From musta32188 at msn.com Sat Nov 3 06:15:42 2007 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:15:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So, would the old style chrome valve covers work with aftermarket heads and roller rockers with Hall's spacers? I would like to have the engine bay look as stock as possible. What do you think? Phillip ----------------------------------------> From: Rollright at aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:40:58 -0400> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net> CC: sunsp22 at comcast.net> Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info)>> Hello,>> Bought a new set of stock chrome (repro.) valve covers from Mustangs Unltd.> to go on the rebuilt engine in process. Are they ever shiny. Sadly, much more> shiny than the originals.>> Just talked to Rick at SS. I got from him some time ago one of the above> labels that go on the right valve cover that says Sunbeam Ltd.. Brand new but> blank of car specific information.>> I heard from a Canadian lister that there is a guy who will take a blank> Sunbeam Ltd. valve cover label and put your info on it.>> Can anybody steer me to the right person?>> BTW: Rick wants that done for his car also.>> Best regards,>> Jim Armstrong> MK 1A 382002083> Rollright at aol.com>>>> ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> musta32188 at msn.com>> Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! From musta32188 at msn.com Sat Nov 3 06:16:07 2007 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:16:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So, would the old style chrome valve covers work with aftermarket heads and roller rockers with Hall's spacers? I would like to have the engine bay look as stock as possible. What do you think? Phillip ----------------------------------------> From: Rollright at aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:40:58 -0400> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net> CC: sunsp22 at comcast.net> Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info)>> Hello,>> Bought a new set of stock chrome (repro.) valve covers from Mustangs Unltd.> to go on the rebuilt engine in process. Are they ever shiny. Sadly, much more> shiny than the originals.>> Just talked to Rick at SS. I got from him some time ago one of the above> labels that go on the right valve cover that says Sunbeam Ltd.. Brand new but> blank of car specific information.>> I heard from a Canadian lister that there is a guy who will take a blank> Sunbeam Ltd. valve cover label and put your info on it.>> Can anybody steer me to the right person?>> BTW: Rick wants that done for his car also.>> Best regards,>> Jim Armstrong> MK 1A 382002083> Rollright at aol.com>>>> ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> musta32188 at msn.com>> Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Sat Nov 3 07:14:27 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:14:27 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: I was at the Atlantic City, NJ car show about 15 years ago and there was a Tiger for sale. As I was looking at the car a yuppie type came up and said to his girlfriend, " Those cars don't have air bags or crumple zones. They are DEATH TRAPS!" I'll take my death trap over his Bimmer any day of the week. Fred Baum 9470768 From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Nov 3 07:48:57 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:48:57 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: Fred, But I think you will agree...they are potential death traps. What with the lack of crumple zones, absence of air bags, thin side doors, no roll protection, no shoulder belts, no antilock brakes, no stability control and those gas tanks setting in the trunk......! These are all good reasons to keep the speed under 150 MPH as much as possible. M ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From un-cole-a at juno.com Sat Nov 3 07:51:41 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:51:41 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: <20071103.105141.13528.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> AMEN TO THAT FRED!!!!! There is just something about driving a car you can hear and feel. Also, the Tigers and Alpines let you drive them, not the other way around like some of these new cars. Tim B9470149 From un-cole-a at juno.com Sat Nov 3 07:56:12 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:56:12 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: <20071103.105612.13528.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> At least we have seat-belts. I don't think some of these so called sub compact cars are to far from being death traps either. Even with the air bags and other so called safety features. Tim B9470149 From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Nov 3 08:02:09 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:02:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: There is no doubt that if you want to be safe today...."bigger is better." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From brichards at fineeyes.com Sat Nov 3 08:06:14 2007 From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00db01c81e2b$16310f00$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> I always tell people that the only thing the seatbelts are good for is to help them locate the body after the wreck ;-). -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 9:49 AM To: Fhsloth3 at cs.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Fred, But I think you will agree...they are potential death traps. What with the lack of crumple zones, absence of air bags, thin side doors, no roll protection, no shoulder belts, no antilock brakes, no stability control and those gas tanks setting in the trunk......! These are all good reasons to keep the speed under 150 MPH as much as possible. M ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ brichards at fineeyes.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Rollright at aol.com Sat Nov 3 08:14:58 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:14:58 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info) Message-ID: Phillip (et al), I'll be using stock heads so I won't be able to comment on aftermarket fitment. But...... I just went down to my Tiger and tried to get the bolt on the rear-most fixer on the stock head and valve cover. Not much room to play.....not much at all between valve cover and firewall. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Nov 3 08:15:21 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:15:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] seat belts Message-ID: "I always tell people that the only thing the seatbelts are good for is to help them locate the body after the wreck ;-). " On the safety subject. Has anyone tried to fit the double loop roll bars to a Tiger? I think it is BMW and a few others that come with them. Many also have a wind screen which I think would be great. M ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Sat Nov 3 10:28:52 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:28:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: In a message dated 11/3/2007 9:48:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, CoolVT at aol.com writes: > Fred, > But I think you will agree...they are potential death traps. What with the > lack of crumple zones, absence of air bags, thin side doors, no roll > protection, no shoulder belts, no antilock brakes, no stability control and those > gas tanks setting in the trunk......! These are all good reasons to keep the > speed under 150 MPH as much as possible. > M > True, but the fun factor is off the scale, more than making up for these few little imperfections. Fred Baum From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Sat Nov 3 10:31:01 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:31:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: The humongous SUVs are also death traps when you figure a Toyota Prius, with its low nose can wedge itself under an SUV and flip the monster in a "T" bone type accident. Kind of David and Goliath. Fred Baum From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Sat Nov 3 10:32:28 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:32:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: >From my previous reply, "The humongous SUVs are also death traps when you figure a Toyota Prius, with its low nose, can wedge itself under an SUV and flip the monster in a "T" bone type accident. Kind of David and Goliath." Fred Baum From modtiger at comcast.net Sat Nov 3 13:04:49 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam valve cover label (with info) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071103125919.022d7778@comcast.net> At 08:14 AM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >I'll be using stock heads so I won't be able to comment on aftermarket >fitment. > But...... >I just went down to my Tiger and tried to get the bolt on the rear-most >fixer on the stock head and valve cover. Not much room to >play.....not much at >all between valve cover and firewall. > Jim Armstrong >MK 1A 382002083 >Rollright at aol.com If you examine your firewall, just below the hole for the throttle cable, you'll find a rubber plug removable from the inside. That's the access hole for the rear bolt in the valve cover. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From tsmit at shaw.ca Sat Nov 3 19:21:26 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:21:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472D2CA6.9060000@shaw.ca> A couple of years ago a guy in a SUV tried to dodge a deer in the middle of the highway just outside the city limits here. Lost control, went off the road, a wheel dug in and the SUV flipped, ejecting the passenger (who wasn't wearing a seatbelt). The passenger was dead at the scene. The morals of that incident are: If you have a SUV then you have to recognize that dodging anything is not an option. The reason you bought that behemoth was so that you'd "win" in any collision; so don't try to avoid them when the opportunity presents itself. Second thing is that seatbelts still save lives regardless of how big your vehicle is... if you're not in it, then you're nowhere. As it happens I drove my Tundra today for the first time in several weeks - my commuter car is an Echo now. Whatever safety gain the Tundra has in bulk, it loses on not being able to get out of its own way, and lack of visibility to the rear quarters. Theo Fhsloth3 at cs.com wrote: > The humongous SUVs are also death traps when you figure a Toyota Prius, with > its low nose can wedge itself under an SUV and flip the monster in a "T" bone > type accident. Kind of David and Goliath. > > Fred Baum From chris at cthompson.net Sat Nov 3 19:28:46 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:28:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing In-Reply-To: <472D2CA6.9060000@shaw.ca> References: <472D2CA6.9060000@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <472D2E5E.80503@cthompson.net> I'm sure you all know that most SUV's, built on truck chassis, are exempt from federal rules on safety that are applied to cars. I saw a video recently of one of those tiny little Smart cars hitting a wall at like 60 miles an hour and the passenger surviving just fine. Last year the vehicle that you were most likely to die in a head-on collision was a Ford F-150, which I believe is the frame of the Ford Explorer. One of the reasons the SUV's are the most profitable for the manufacturers. I know my little BMW Z4 is far safer in an accident than my F-250 tow vehicle. I would bet the Tiger is safer than either, because there's no way I'm going to test the Tiger in such a situation ;-) Chris Theo Smit wrote: > A couple of years ago a guy in a SUV tried to dodge a deer in the middle > of the highway just outside the city limits here. Lost control, went off > the road, a wheel dug in and the SUV flipped, ejecting the passenger > (who wasn't wearing a seatbelt). The passenger was dead at the scene. > > The morals of that incident are: > If you have a SUV then you have to recognize that dodging anything is > not an option. The reason you bought that behemoth was so that you'd > "win" in any collision; so don't try to avoid them when the opportunity > presents itself. Second thing is that seatbelts still save lives > regardless of how big your vehicle is... if you're not in it, then > you're nowhere. > > As it happens I drove my Tundra today for the first time in several > weeks - my commuter car is an Echo now. Whatever safety gain the Tundra > has in bulk, it loses on not being able to get out of its own way, and > lack of visibility to the rear quarters. > > Theo From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Nov 3 20:05:23 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:05:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: Chris, In a head on collision between your beemer and your truck, which would you rather be in? M ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun Nov 4 18:14:33 2007 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:14:33 EST Subject: [Tigers] Left rear wheel locked up Message-ID: Ok boys and girls, the left rear wheel is locked. The e-break is off and it looks like the e-break pulls on the R-rear. Any hints tips on this? The R-rear wheel spins and the drive shaft spins. Thanks ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 4 18:40:15 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:40:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Left rear wheel locked up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003001c81f4c$d0df74a0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Try bleeding the left rear brake. If that releases the bind then you have an obstruction to the flow of fluid. And is most likely a collapsed or internally separated brake hose is acting like a valve. Or pull the drum and check the springs. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] Left rear wheel locked up Ok boys and girls, the left rear wheel is locked. The e-break is off and it looks like the e-break pulls on the R-rear. Any hints tips on this? The R-rear wheel spins and the drive shaft spins. Thanks From gpointer at telusplanet.net Sun Nov 4 21:56:03 2007 From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:56:03 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: <001c01c81f68$2ae68770$8ad335c6@TIGERV8> I've only entered mine in 3 Show and Shines (one trophy). The last two were 400+ cars, so lots of spectators. Fascinating to walk up to your own vehicle and listen to the conversations. Some folks seem to know a whole lot, but much of the info misses the mark (no pun intended). Many know so because such-and-such down the street had one. Great conversations though with those who were delighted to see one for the first time in 20 or 30 years. From Drmoonstone at aol.com Mon Nov 5 10:10:22 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:10:22 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: Theo, get the new Tundra with the 5.7. Faster than a 70 SS 396 Cheville in quarter Mile and zero to sixty. Just ordered one and I can attest to it being able to get out of it's own way. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Mon Nov 5 10:15:11 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:15:11 EST Subject: [Tigers] Any truth to this commotion thing? Message-ID: Big litter box Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Mon Nov 5 10:23:20 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:23:20 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Commotion thing Message-ID: Best one I've heard is when the guy at the stop light asked, "Is that one of those cars that can go in the water?" My 17 year old daughter beat me on the the response with, "Hardly (with great distain", nice POS you're driving." Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Mon Nov 5 10:49:46 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:49:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Commotion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: About 5 years ago, I inquired with the AAA, my insurance company, if they had any statistics on whether or not all these new fangled things improve safety. They put me in touch with their employee who monitors these exact things and used to work for the NHTSA. I listed anti lock brakes, air bags, crumple zones, submarining engines, pivoting seats. He told me that everything helps a little in certain limited situations. But, only two of the items make a significant difference: three point seat belts and side air bags (not front, but side air bags). Makes sense. That all said, keep in mind that we're also talking about making sure we have tires that are not more than 5-7 years old (depending on who you talk to). Also, even if our brakes work perfectly, and our response time is a microsecond, the antilock brakes on the car in front of us will beat us. So, we have to drive that much more defensively. Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Mon Nov 5 10:54:09 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:54:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 138 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Chris, >In a head on collision between your beemer and >your truck, which would you >rather be in? Have you seen the pictures of the head ons with some of these tiny cars? The Mini in particular? I'll take the Mini or my Boxster over the truck in a head on any day. Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Mon Nov 5 10:56:11 2007 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Risk Homeostasis Message-ID: <472F593B.2010106@cs.com> According to this guy, the safer stuff is, the faster we find ways to eat up the margin. Interesting theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_homeostasis -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Nov 5 12:20:36 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:20:36 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Risk Homeostasis Message-ID: <20071105.142036.15291.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Sounds good to me. A classic example is smoking, why punish the people who don't smoke by making them pay for a smokers health care. It never made sense to me that a smoker could complain that the cigarette companies are responsible for their medical condition. It's not rocket science, inhaling smoke, any kind of smoke, has a detrimental affect on your body. And before anyone complains, yes I am a reformed smokers, so don't feed me any BS lines about the addicting power of cigarettes. If you want to smoke that is fine with me but don't expect me to pay for your hospital care!!! I have a Tiger I need to restore and can't spare any more funds on ignorant people. My two cents for what it's worth. Tim From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 5 12:48:22 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Truck Versus Mini Message-ID: <002c01c81fe4$d2d61870$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Check out this web site that compares a Mini and a Ford F150 crashing into a barrier at 40 mph. http://bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150/ The Mini driver fares much better than the F150 driver. Although what would happen if the two should meet at 40 mph in a head on collision is not stated. Jeff From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 13:07:51 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:07:51 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] headlamp size Message-ID: <39a841b0711051207p56fb0c9cm7252d4e327383bf2@mail.gmail.com> does anyone know what the model of the lucas lightlights is on the tiger? or the size? (7" or 5 1/2"). i need to get a pair of RHD ones so any sources would also be appreciated (in the UK or US). thanks. From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Nov 5 13:28:59 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:28:59 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Truck Versus Mini In-Reply-To: <002c01c81fe4$d2d61870$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <002c01c81fe4$d2d61870$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <472F7D0B.30009@mayfco.com> well, considering that the energy in the truck impact is more than three times that oif the mini (well maybe only 2 1/2 times)... I would expect more carnage. There is a good question imbedded here ...of all accidnets which involve multiple vehicles hitting one another vs single car wrecks? I wonder... mayf Jeffrey Nichols wrote: >Check out this web site that compares a Mini and a Ford F150 crashing into a >barrier at 40 mph. >http://bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150/ The Mini >driver fares much better than the F150 driver. Although what would happen if >the two should meet at 40 mph in a head on collision is not stated. > > > > > > Jeff >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Nov 5 13:59:00 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:59:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Auto Transport - recommondation needed Message-ID: <010201c81fee$b0ec1ac0$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> I never thought I would be asking this question, but I need advice regarding auto transportation companies. I need to transport a car from the city of San Francisco, CA to Thousand Oaks, CA. (about 45 miles north west of L.A., - about 400 miles). The car itself is of limited value and the condition is average for it's age. Thus, aside from blatant damage, cost is the greater factor (open carrier is fine). Time is also not an important issue. I inquired a quote from a multi company internet group and was getting prices between $250 and $450. Does anyone have experience with carriers in this region. Is there anyone that you would or wouldn't recommend? Any idea on a good price. Thanks for your input, Tom From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Nov 5 14:24:20 2007 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Truck Versus Mini In-Reply-To: <002c01c81fe4$d2d61870$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <002c01c81fe4$d2d61870$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: I got rear-ended in a chain reaction collision many years ago, the wife's '89 Honda Civic SI Hatchback was accordianed between a Volvo 244 wagon and a Chevy S-10. The heavier cars suffered localized damage, mine looked like it was out of a Looney Tunes cartoon, it's wheelbase shortened by a couple feet on both ends. Of course there are many factors involved and this is really anecdotal but when I imagine that happening in a Tiger, I visualize winding up with a very warm, still spinning 289 sitting next to me. Not a happy thought. Pardon the kitchen physics here, but treating the collision as impulse energy dissipation, the velocities cancel out leaving the mass differential. I don't care how well the crumple zones crumple, I would much rather be in my Tundra, my 1/2mv*2 being 2X bigger than the Mini's. Bugz -----Original Message----- Although what would happen if the two should meet at 40 mph in a head on collision is not stated. Jeff From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Nov 5 15:02:33 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:02:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Truck Versus Mini Message-ID: <66950.17358.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I drive a Diesel Excursion, anyone want to try a head on with a mini, please let me know after so I can get some wax to remove you and the scratch. Below is likely a very good way to put it. I do not want to hit a wall head on with anything... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 1:24:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Truck Versus Mini I got rear-ended in a chain reaction collision many years ago, the wife's '89 Honda Civic SI Hatchback was accordianed between a Volvo 244 wagon and a Chevy S-10. The heavier cars suffered localized damage, mine looked like it was out of a Looney Tunes cartoon, it's wheelbase shortened by a couple feet on both ends. Of course there are many factors involved and this is really anecdotal but when I imagine that happening in a Tiger, I visualize winding up with a very warm, still spinning 289 sitting next to me. Not a happy thought. Pardon the kitchen physics here, but treating the collision as impulse energy dissipation, the velocities cancel out leaving the mass differential. I don't care how well the crumple zones crumple, I would much rather be in my Tundra, my 1/2mv*2 being 2X bigger than the Mini's. Bugz -----Original Message----- Although what would happen if the two should meet at 40 mph in a head on collision is not stated. Jeff _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Nov 5 17:08:03 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:08:03 EST Subject: [Tigers] Truck Versus Mini Message-ID: I do believe that the energy in an elastic collision is inversely proportional to the total mass. a 2500 lb car hitting a 4000 truck = 6500 lbs of total mass. The small car gets 6500/2500 or 2.6 while the truck gets 6500/4000 or 1.6. In other words the car gets 61.5% of the force of the collison. Do the math when a 50000 train engine hits a car. Not pretty. Car 52000/2500=20.8 Train 52000/50000= 1.1 Car gets 94% pf the energy Train gets 6%.That why cars hit by trains fare very poorly. AAA guy is right, What counts is the protection package. Or everyone should be driving Buick deuce and a quarter. Weight 4000+ lbs and with the 425 V8 gets 8 mpg. With the price of gas, no one can afford to drive one. Few drivers means less polluton, more gas, and more room for my Tiger Dave. I ride a city bus to work. Don't try a head on with one. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 5 19:52:54 2007 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Truck Versus Mini References: <66950.17358.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c82020$21e64300$6501a8c0@GMI> I drive a 2004 Mini and don't worry about it. I drive my Tiger and don't worry about it. Reason?...I ride a 2.3 liter Triumph and don't worry about it. Life is short... Gary B9472283 From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 5 19:59:43 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:59:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] headlamp size In-Reply-To: <39a841b0711051207p56fb0c9cm7252d4e327383bf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01c82021$15699630$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> They are 7" and there is no left or right drive orientation for normal lamps. The only difference is how you align them. Unless of course you want the driving lamps with drivers side peaks on low beam to light the roadside signs. I use Hella H4 7" lamps with 110/85 watt bulbs and you can find them online. The average price is around $75 bucks for the E type with bulbs. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] headlamp size does anyone know what the model of the lucas lightlights is on the tiger? or the size? (7" or 5 1/2"). i need to get a pair of RHD ones so any sources would also be appreciated (in the UK or US). thanks. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 5 20:17:12 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:17:12 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Commotion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006d01c82023$86f1d900$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Jay, In this entire thread you have stated the most common sense thing to date. Drive defensively and stay out to accidents. It works and it means no smoking, coffee drinking, cell phone use, ECT just pay attention to the driving. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse About 5 years ago, I inquired with the AAA, my insurance company, if they had any statistics on whether or not all these new fangled things improve safety. They put me in touch with their employee who monitors these exact things and used to work for the NHTSA. I listed anti lock brakes, air bags, crumple zones, submarining engines, pivoting seats. He told me that everything helps a little in certain limited situations. But, only two of the items make a significant difference: three point seat belts and side air bags (not front, but side air bags). Makes sense. That all said, keep in mind that we're also talking about making sure we have tires that are not more than 5-7 years old (depending on who you talk to). Also, even if our brakes work perfectly, and our response time is a microsecond, the antilock brakes on the car in front of us will beat us. So, we have to drive that much more defensively. Jay /tigers From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Nov 6 06:34:46 2007 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:34:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] headlamp size In-Reply-To: <39a841b0711051207p56fb0c9cm7252d4e327383bf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0711051207p56fb0c9cm7252d4e327383bf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Owain, the car takes PAR56 (7") sealed beams. Please consider the high-output GE Nighthawk PAR56 Halogen H6024NH, part code 28153. They are 20% brighter than regular halogen sealed beams and with a 35 watt low beam and 65 watt high beam, will not over-tax your wiring harness or your 25 amp generator. The trade-off is reduce average life. They are a drop-in replacement. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:08 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] headlamp size does anyone know what the model of the lucas lightlights is on the tiger? or the size? (7" or 5 1/2"). i need to get a pair of RHD ones so any sources would also be appreciated (in the UK or US). thanks. _______________________________________________ mark.rense at ge.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 08:51:20 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:51:20 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims Message-ID: <39a841b0711060751m2fc6f96dq525bd31a98beebc0@mail.gmail.com> one of my headlight rims fell off and the paint got chipped. I was thinking i quite like the non-peaked mark II rims, so rather than re-painting the chipped one, is there any reason why a standard chrome cobra rim such as this would not fit? its a lot cheaper than genuine MKII rims! http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/prod/chrome-rims.html From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM Tue Nov 6 10:14:36 2007 From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims In-Reply-To: <39a841b0711060751m2fc6f96dq525bd31a98beebc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0711060751m2fc6f96dq525bd31a98beebc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47305AAC.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> MKII rims come up to match the body line of the top of the fender and have a small ridge. Cobras are round. >>> "Owain Lloyd" 11/6/2007 10:51 AM >>> one of my headlight rims fell off and the paint got chipped. I was thinking i quite like the non-peaked mark II rims, so rather than re-painting the chipped one, is there any reason why a standard chrome cobra rim such as this would not fit? its a lot cheaper than genuine MKII rims! From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 10:17:43 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:17:43 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims In-Reply-To: <47305AAC.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> References: <39a841b0711060751m2fc6f96dq525bd31a98beebc0@mail.gmail.com> <47305AAC.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Message-ID: <39a841b0711060917g7486600auc49f6a0882145550@mail.gmail.com> oh yeah. guess that would look pretty crap then. i'll repaint my chipped one :( On Nov 6, 2007 5:14 PM, Greg Koss wrote: > MKII rims come up to match the body line of the top of the fender and have a > small ridge. Cobras are round. > > > >>> "Owain Lloyd" 11/6/2007 10:51 AM >>> > one of my headlight rims fell off and the paint got chipped. > I was thinking i quite like the non-peaked mark II rims, so rather > than re-painting the chipped one, is there any reason why a standard > chrome cobra rim such as this would not fit? its a lot cheaper than > genuine MKII rims! > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From milano164 at comcast.net Tue Nov 6 12:47:17 2007 From: milano164 at comcast.net (milano164 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:47:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] MkII rims Message-ID: <110620071947.21010.4730C4C5000C1851000052122215575114CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> Most of the factory race cars used simple stamped steel round (Lucus ?) rims http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1961/Sebring-1961-03-25-042.jpg http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1962/Sebring-1962-03-24-043.jpg Lighter... I guess. The mis-match probably doesn't appeal to most! Steve From stubrennan at comcast.net Tue Nov 6 13:26:17 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:26:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] MkII rims Message-ID: <110620072026.29134.4730CDE900049F53000071CE2207300033020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> If you put the duct tape on just right, the gap is harldy noticable. Stu From milano164 at comcast.net Tue Nov 6 13:42:02 2007 From: milano164 at comcast.net (milano164 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:42:02 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] MkII rims Message-ID: <110620072042.13719.4730D19A00056CC1000035972215575114CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> I kinda like that look! -------------- Original message -------------- From: stubrennan at comcast.net If you put the duct tape on just right, the gap is harldy noticable. Stu From dickbarker at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 13:56:27 2007 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:56:27 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:00 AM 11/6/2007, Greg.Koss at TRW.COM wrote: >MKII rims come up to match the body line of the top of the fender >and have a small ridge. Cobras are round. Ever notice the similarity between the original Ford Thunderbird and Alpines? Same peaked fender line, hooded headlights, tail fins, & grill opening. Before joining Rootes in 1956 as chief designer of the Alpine, Kenneth Howes was in charge of the Ford design studio in Detroit. Coincidence? I don't think so. In a departure from production standards, the original headlight rims on the Le Mans mule were stainless steel and were round. And yes, the peak of the fender line extended above them. I thought they looked pretty mean, and had quite a time finding some nice replacements. Today the car sports some chromed MK II's....????? Dick From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Nov 6 14:26:21 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:26:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims Message-ID: <804246.15304.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 50's TBird-->Alpine YES!!!, I always thought from the front they looked suprisingly similar! The proportions of the Alpine/Tiger is better IMO. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Dick Barker To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 12:56:27 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] mkII rims At 11:00 AM 11/6/2007, Greg.Koss at TRW.COM wrote: >MKII rims come up to match the body line of the top of the fender >and have a small ridge. Cobras are round. Ever notice the similarity between the original Ford Thunderbird and Alpines? Same peaked fender line, hooded headlights, tail fins, & grill opening. Before joining Rootes in 1956 as chief designer of the Alpine, Kenneth Howes was in charge of the Ford design studio in Detroit. Coincidence? I don't think so. In a departure from production standards, the original headlight rims on the Le Mans mule were stainless steel and were round. And yes, the peak of the fender line extended above them. I thought they looked pretty mean, and had quite a time finding some nice replacements. Today the car sports some chromed MK II's....????? Dick _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Nov 6 15:21:05 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:21:05 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims References: Message-ID: <00f101c820c3$536b1f60$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> > Ever notice the similarity between the original Ford Thunderbird and Alpines?< Yes, it definitely looks like the first T-Bird. I always wondered who designed the back of the Tiger, - Raymond Loewy? The latter versions of the Tiger's back side bear a striking resemblance to a late 50's Rambler American! Just an opinion on the back side, but I think that something between the two Tiger versions would have been best. Tom Witt From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 15:24:51 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:24:51 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims In-Reply-To: <00f101c820c3$536b1f60$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> References: <00f101c820c3$536b1f60$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: On 07/11/2007, Thomas Witt wrote: > > Ever notice the similarity between the original Ford Thunderbird and > Alpines?< > > Yes, it definitely looks like the first T-Bird. > > I always wondered who designed the back of the Tiger, - Raymond Loewy? The > latter versions of the Tiger's back side bear a striking resemblance to a > late 50's Rambler American! Just an opinion on the back side, but I think > that something between the two Tiger versions would have been best. > Tom Witt The alpine was designed by Ken Howes, he designed the porthole thunderbirds, so the similarities are understandable. -- Regards Michael King From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Tue Nov 6 15:26:17 2007 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:26:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Turkey Bowl Message-ID: All, My apologies if you are receiving this more than once, or if you've already registered ... I just wanted to remind everyone on this list that you're invited to the 11th Annual Turkey Bowl at Summit Point (main course) on Thanksgiving weekend (Nov 23-25) -- and the earlybird discount deadline for Turkey Bowl entries is this Saturday, November 10th. Also, great news: the track has just been completely repaved! No more concrete patches, bumps or lumps. It's smooth as the proverbial baby's behind. If you enter & pay by Saturday it's only $250 for all three days! The entry form is attached, and also available on the VRG web site here: http://www.vrgonline.org/EVENTS/TURK/07TURKApp.pdf or go to www.vrgonline.org click on Events, then Turkey Bowl, and you'll find it there. You'll also find lots of useful information in the FAQ on the web site. If you've already sent your entry, tell your friends! We can always use a few more entries and we can accomodate nearly any car, vintage or modern, in either the VRG race groups or our partner's race groups. Hope to see you there! Mark Palmer VRG Event Chairman From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Nov 6 15:26:08 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:26:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F10@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The Series IV Alpine rear fenders were styled by Ital design, wasn't it? Something where they owed Rootes a favor and this is how it got paid off. I think the proportions of the later rear end are pretty good. The original was a little bit too wedgy for my liking. Theo From awtiger at cox.net Tue Nov 6 15:26:54 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] mkII rims In-Reply-To: <00f101c820c3$536b1f60$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: <20071106172654.997O0.42919.root@eastrmwml27.mgt.cox.net> ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > > Ever notice the similarity between the original Ford Thunderbird and > Alpines?< > I believe it was Road & Track magazine that did an article comparing the Series II Alpine to a '57 T-Bird, pointing out the obvious styling similarities. I can't remember which issue it was but I have it at home if anyone is interested. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Tue Nov 6 16:23:22 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:23:22 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Mark II Rims In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >oh yeah. guess that would look pretty crap then. i'll repaint my >chipped one :( On Nov 6, 2007 5:14 PM, Greg Koss wrote: >> MKII rims come up to match the body line of the top of the fender and have a >> small ridge. Cobras are round. Yes, but if you look at pictures of the racing Alpines from that time (and perhaps Tigers), many had non-peaked, non-pointed rims. Guess the lack of line up was good enough for the racers! jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 19:28:51 2007 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:28:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Left rear wheel locked up References: Message-ID: <005e01c820e5$ef768260$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> funny, i went to pull out my tiger last weekend and had the same exact problem, but felt the hand brake pull up too easily, like the drums were frozen locked. i havent gotten around yet to r&r'ing it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: [Tigers] Left rear wheel locked up > Ok boys and girls, the left rear wheel is locked. The e-break is off and > it > looks like the e-break pulls on the R-rear. Any hints tips on this? The > R-rear > wheel spins and the drive shaft spins. Thanks From pirouette at charter.net Wed Nov 7 03:18:51 2007 From: pirouette at charter.net (pirouette at charter.net) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 2:18:51 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Commotion thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071107051851.L73E8.90224.root@fepweb08> >>Those cars don't have air bags or crumple zones>> Hogwash! When I got my car, the first two and a half feet were a crumple zone!! cph From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Wed Nov 7 12:21:10 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:21:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Credit where credit is due (was MK II Rims) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do not blame Howes for the Ford look! If you look at his original design, it looked nothing like a T-Bird. Here's a shot: http://www.pcars.us/albums/5114.jpg In fact, the peaked rims, the more upright windshield and car all were after he designed it and purportedly all by the Rootes family. And, yes, the fins were chopped in Italy, by I think Superleggera. I have the exact company in a book at home. Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Nov 7 13:25:35 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:25:35 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Credit where credit is due (was MK II Rims) References: Message-ID: <000501c8217c$5de1ce80$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> >>>If you look at his original design, it looked nothing like a T-Bird.<<< I agree the original Alpine design looks like a toned down later 50's Packard that was tweaked off the Studebaker Champion/Hawk series. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.califmall.com/MC10.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.califmall.com/HotCarsMusc.html&h=264&w=550&sz=17&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=YtIoz6O0GY_xJM:&tbnh=64&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3D58%2Bpackard%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG Scroll down to the last car. So, when I look, I see: The original is design similar to a late 50's Packard. The first version similar to a 57 T-Bird front and a 57 Plymouth rear (not so much the trunk, but the fins and lights). The second version similar to a 57 T-Bird and a later 50's Rambler American rear. I won't comment on the Mark II's. They are rare, better equipped, but to me the least appealing of the Tigers. I don't mean to sound insulting, I wouldn't have a Tiger if I didn't like it (and I do). It's just that I see other cars when I see the Tiger/Alpine. It's like my kids, I love then even though I may see my In-Laws in them at times. :-) Tom From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Nov 7 13:41:21 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:41:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Credit where credit is due (was MK II Rims) Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F16@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> So 1958 brought both the Packard Hawk and the Edsel... It was really a banner year for what-were-they-thinking grille design. Theo From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Nov 7 22:45:51 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:45:51 EST Subject: [Tigers] Credit where credit is due (was MK II Rims) Message-ID: > Anybody see the SP250 in there also? > Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 22:54:44 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:54:44 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Credit where credit is due (was MK II Rims) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quite sure it was Touring of Milan who did the fin chopping and fuel tank re-work. Superleggera is the method of construction pionered by Touring, lightweight round frame with panels cladding it... they also added little side indicator lights on the front flanks that didnt make the cut.. thankfully -- Regards Michael King From newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com Thu Nov 8 08:47:59 2007 From: newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com (newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:47:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clarification Message-ID: <591a111da2dc459385a2061e247c7276.newmexicobooks@bacavalley.com> There is a picture of the original clay model of the Alpine (Tiger) as created by Rootes on Page 8 of "Tiger An Exceptional Motorcar" by Bill Carroll......Check it out....Cheers....Bill............. From rootes1 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 16:21:50 2007 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:21:50 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ALGER ALERT Message-ID: Gentlemen, The car being offered on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110189597584 is not a genuine factory built Sunbeam Tiger. Even though the seller does not list the VIN It carries chassis number B382000964 LRXFE. Spread the word. ncm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1120 - Release Date: 11/9/2007 9:26 AM From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Nov 9 16:29:27 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:29:27 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ALGER ALERT References: Message-ID: <00f101c82328$5f0e5d20$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> How interesting, while out of the original intended context, the last five words of the description say: >>>... ITS A SCAM. NUFF SAID !!! <<< It seems the phrase "reading between the lines" never had so much meaning. :-) Tom From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Nov 9 23:14:56 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:14:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Historics 2007 Message-ID: <572194.42461.qm@web82812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I finally got the pictures up from Monterey 2007 historics. They are on my hacked up site. Follow the 'Photo' link and you should see another to the section. It has a ton of pics, and some specific ones of interest of a few of the Tigers that ran that day. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/ Enjoy Sandy From kneedrag at core.com Sat Nov 10 14:18:40 2007 From: kneedrag at core.com (Mark Rense) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:18:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rota Wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anybody have any experience with Rota wheels, specifically with the Minilite clones currently on ebay? I went onto the Rota website and they do not list a wheel like this with a 4 X 4.25 (108mm) bolt pattern. The also list +30 offset, is this correct? Bugz From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sat Nov 10 16:17:35 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:17:35 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] removing side window Message-ID: <005801c823ef$e10b7700$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Does any body have a clever way to separate the side window glass from the bottom metal retaining channel and "U" shaped rubber glazing seal after they have been removed from the door? I need to keep the glass intact for a pattern for a new one and despite soaking in lubricant and tapping with wood block as hard as I dare, I can't separate the channel and rubber assembly from the glass. Not surprising after 40 years but I sure would like to retrieve the glass. From jim at island.net Sat Nov 10 16:24:27 2007 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:24:27 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] removing side window In-Reply-To: <005801c823ef$e10b7700$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Message-ID: <00e301c823f0$d6399400$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> I hope this doesn't sound too obvious, but did you drill out the rivets at the corners...? Mine came apart quite easily actually... I made new 1/4" plexi replacements for mine last year...too wide to reuse the rubber...almost snug in the metal channel but I added a dab of silicone so they wouldn't rattle... I thought the extra thickness might help the crazing problem around the latch hole. I actually made 5 sets...why? just because I had a pattern to do so... still have 4 sets. Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Michels Sent: November 10, 2007 3:18 PM To: Tiger Email List Subject: [Tigers] removing side window Does any body have a clever way to separate the side window glass from the bottom metal retaining channel and "U" shaped rubber glazing seal after they have been removed from the door? I need to keep the glass intact for a pattern for a new one and despite soaking in lubricant and tapping with wood block as hard as I dare, I can't separate the channel and rubber assembly from the glass. Not surprising after 40 years but I sure would like to retrieve the glass. _______________________________________________ jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sat Nov 10 17:00:55 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:00:55 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] removing side window References: <00e301c823f0$d6399400$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> Message-ID: <000f01c823f5$ef235910$8a01a8c0@delldimension> I sure don't see any rivets. The glass pane inserts into a U shaped rubber channel, and that goes into a solid U shaped steel channel. It's spot welded to the guide that accepts the sliding window regulator studs or "cams" I think they are called. drilling out the spot welds wouldn't do anything to free the window glass. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Mike Michels'" ; "'Tiger Email List'" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] removing side window >I hope this doesn't sound too obvious, but did you drill out the rivets at > the corners...? Mine came apart quite easily actually... > > I made new 1/4" plexi replacements for mine last year...too wide to reuse > the rubber...almost snug in the metal channel but I added a dab of > silicone > so they wouldn't rattle... I thought the extra thickness might help the > crazing problem around the latch hole. I actually made 5 sets...why? just > because I had a pattern to do so... still have 4 sets. > > Jim > B382000446 > > ----- From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sat Nov 10 17:04:06 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:04:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] removing side window References: <000e01c823f5$7d37fcc0$be941840@ronpc1> Message-ID: <001901c823f6$60f6e7a0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Sorry If I didn't make it clear, folks. I'm referring to the main side window that raises up and down. There's a horizontal channel at the bottom that connects to another channel through which the window regulator studs slide. It's this channel and rubber insert that I'm trying to separate from the side window pane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Mike Michels'" ; "'Tiger Email List'" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] removing side window Mike I'm a little confused about your note. You are talking about the stationary glass triangle at the front of the door? Do you have the glass out of the frame except the bottom metal piece? There are several screws that hold this frame and glass together; they all need to be removed. I think you need to clarify your note so we understand what you have and what you still need to do. Ron Fraser ----- From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sat Nov 10 17:25:30 2007 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:25:30 EST Subject: [Tigers] removing side window Message-ID: Draw a pattern of the door glass before you remove the lower channel. The bottom will be straight across from back to front. Put the glass on a work bench covered with carpet or cardboard to protect it from breaking on a hard surface. Hold the glass lower sash channel up, tap with hammer (like your putting it on)this will help loosen 40 years of rust and dirt. Then lay the glass flat and drive the sash off with a suitable tool. We use a brick wedge and hammer with the wedge ground flat so it will just catch the channel. Or take it to an auto glass shop and they can pull it for you. Clean it up and paint it and you will be good for another 40 years. Be sure to grease the roller channel. HTH ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Rollright at aol.com Sun Nov 11 13:53:15 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:53:15 EST Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Message-ID: Hello, As some of you may remember, my "as made, 260" went south about a month ago. I've gathered the Edelbrock F4B, the Holley 465, pretty much set on the Edelbrock 2122 Cam to warm up the performance a bit and still be "period". Thanks to all that contributed. Now, to the Pertronix issue. There is a Pertronix 'Ignitor I' and and an 'Ignitor II'. The II promises a bit more performance but I'd like to know if I will see any benefit with the mild upgrades I envision. And, will my stock tach work with either of them? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 LRXFE Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sun Nov 11 14:10:31 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:10:31 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c824a7$4af52fa0$64f3c04a@jerry> Jim, May I suggest the Crane XR-I electronic conversion kit (JEGS,SUMMIT)'s about $65.00. The great thing about it is it has a built in rev limiter that you can adjust from 4000 to 8000RPM. Good way to save your engine. JEGS part number 270-750-1700. Check it out. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 2:53 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Hello, As some of you may remember, my "as made, 260" went south about a month ago. I've gathered the Edelbrock F4B, the Holley 465, pretty much set on the Edelbrock 2122 Cam to warm up the performance a bit and still be "period". Thanks to all that contributed. Now, to the Pertronix issue. There is a Pertronix 'Ignitor I' and and an 'Ignitor II'. The II promises a bit more performance but I'd like to know if I will see any benefit with the mild upgrades I envision. And, will my stock tach work with either of them? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 LRXFE Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From shutchin at netjets.com Sun Nov 11 14:49:08 2007 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Message-ID: I have a similar setup and my ignitor II works great with the original tach. Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Nov 12 12:35:57 2007 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:35:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4738AB1D.6090108@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, I have a similar set-up on my Tiger, with the Ignitor I installed, and the Ignitor II on my shelf. The P-I works really fine. The P-II has a much higher voltage output, which can challenge your ignition wires insulation, if not high voltage, and especially your stock type distributor cap insulation. Implies so in the package. I would not like to see a big cap, like the later Fords, because of it's non=stock appearance, and can require new termination, and expensive, Hi Voltage wires. I have had no problems with the P-I on tach issues. Don't know about P-II, but Theo Smit can be relied upon for this. (I would) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: >Hello, > >As some of you may remember, my "as made, 260" went south about a month ago. > >I've gathered the Edelbrock F4B, the Holley 465, pretty much set on the >Edelbrock 2122 Cam to warm up the performance a bit and still be "period". Thanks >to all that contributed. > >Now, to the Pertronix issue. There is a Pertronix 'Ignitor I' and and an >'Ignitor II'. The II promises a bit more performance but I'd like to know if I >will see any benefit with the mild upgrades I envision. > >And, will my stock tach work with either of them? > >Thanks in advance. > >Best regards, > >Jim Armstrong >MK 1A 382002083 >LRXFE >Rollright at aol.com > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >slaifman at socal.rr.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 13:09:45 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection References: Message-ID: I installed a Pertronix II and pertronix Flamethrower II coil (stock looking) on both my Mustang and my Tiger. On the mustang, I also installed the pertronix wires (black, stock looking), but haven't had a chance to do the same on the tiger. I believe that Pertonix also offers a whole distributor setup with a stock looking cap as well. But I believe their distributor is non-adjustable as far as springs and vacuum advance goes, so you set the initial timing and you are done, nice and simple, but if you were a racer you would probably want more adjustment. I like the pertronix set up for getting rid of the problems associated with points, but I also believe that if it were to ever fail, it will fail totally, so I keep a pair of old points in the vehicle, just incase, as I think I could install a set of points on the side of the road well enough to get home if needed. The tach on my car with points installed, gave you a general idea of RPM, but didn't seem to accurate. It was interesting to watch the needle moving, but I don't think it was accurate enough to be exceptionally useful as a tach. With the pertronix II installed, the needle still moves, but it mostly hovers around 1500 rpm regardless of RPM, and doesn't move with relation to engine RPM. I have a Alpine tach that I plan to covert someday to the designs available on the web and I hope that gives me a useful Tach again. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection > Hello, > > As some of you may remember, my "as made, 260" went south about a month > ago. > > I've gathered the Edelbrock F4B, the Holley 465, pretty much set on the > Edelbrock 2122 Cam to warm up the performance a bit and still be "period". > Thanks > to all that contributed. > > Now, to the Pertronix issue. There is a Pertronix 'Ignitor I' and and an > 'Ignitor II'. The II promises a bit more performance but I'd like to know > if I > will see any benefit with the mild upgrades I envision. > > And, will my stock tach work with either of them? > > Thanks in advance. > > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > MK 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > Rollright at aol.com > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > tigerman67 at hotmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Nov 12 13:13:19 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:13:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Message-ID: I think someone mentioned that with the Ignitor ll that if the ignition key was mistankenly left on that it wouldn't burn out the ignitor. Someone said that it would in the #1 so I opted for the ll. Someone can correct me if I misunderstood that point. Mark


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See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Nov 12 13:28:30 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:28:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F2C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> That feature is probably the single most useful improvement ever added to any of the aftermarket points-replacement systems, and it's why I recommend using the Pertronix Ignitor II over the P-I or other modules. You may not ever leave the ignition on intentionally, but it does sometimes happen, and it's nice to not have a smoked coil as a result. Most of the points-replacement units such as the Mallory Unilite, Pertronix, Crane, Allison, and other modules extend the coil dwell time significantly. This is one reason why they typically offer better performance at higher RPM compared to points - there is no mechanical restriction on the dwell time. However, that effect also causes many OEM Tiger tachs to read improperly once the module is installed. Since it works for some people, I think it has something to do with the overall condition of the tach components - if your tach was marginal to begin with then adding the Pertronix or other module won't make it read any better. The tach module that I build (and is available for installation through Tom Hall if you don't want to send your tach to Canada) works fine with Pertronix modules because it's not sensitive to dwell. Regarding Tigerman's post (on the Pertronix distributor) - you should never set the timing based on initial advance unless you know and have verified the mechanical timing advance. It's common knowledge that setting the initial timing a little advanced (i.e. 12 degrees BTDC instead of 6 or 8) will help the idle and off-idle response, but if you do that without restricting the total advance, you will end up with a total mechanical advance (at high RPM and load) that exceeds 38 degrees BTDC, which is where most smallblock Fords are going to be happiest. It's better to use a dial-back timing light or else make a timing mark on your damper at 38 degrees, and set the timing at an RPM where you know the mechanical advance is all-in. If you do that, and then find the idle timing is not suitable, you need to adjust the advance mechanism limits in whatever way your distributor allows. Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 13:37:27 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:37:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up Message-ID: <441108.2046.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well seems like it will be close with the shaft rockers. I had to remove the breather that wedges between rockers other then that the ends of the cover it seems the shafts hit it a bit. I put on a second gasket and it seems to clear. It may require a bit of a ding with a ball peen hammer and it may just work when things get into place. I will still have to test it at lift to make sure it all works and get it all bolted into place. The taller aluminum cobra style fit fine, but they are the taller casting version for roller rockers which are a bit taller then the tiger castings. The ends are I think going to be the only problem just due to the non-squared ends of the valve cover, the aluminum ones are more square it seems. Some images of the mocked up motor. I have to do some smashing on the oil pan too, the splayed caps on the bottom end are a bit tigher to the pan then expected. http://www.flickr.com/photos/9422868 at N02/sets/72157603069439008/ From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Nov 12 14:23:07 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:23:07 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up In-Reply-To: <441108.2046.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <441108.2046.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4738C43B.6020207@mayfco.com> Jeepers! Looks like about a billion dollars worth of hardware on the motor. Aluminum block, canfield heads, Hilborn or kinsler efi fuel injection. Is this going to be stroked as well? What are you going to do with the Tiger when finished? Looks like a real race setup for sure! I am jealous, lol.. Also, looks like alot of neat rolling stock int he various pictures. Definitely not my shop! mayf Sandy Ganz wrote: >Well seems like it will be close with the shaft rockers. I had to remove the breather that wedges between rockers other then that the ends of the cover it seems the shafts hit it a bit. I put on a second gasket and it seems to clear. It may require a bit of a ding with a ball peen hammer and it may just work when things get into place. I will still have to test it at lift to make sure it all works and get it all bolted into place. The taller aluminum cobra style fit fine, but they are the taller casting version for roller rockers which are a bit taller then the tiger castings. The ends are I think going to be the only problem just due to the non-squared ends of the valve cover, the aluminum ones are more square it seems. > >Some images of the mocked up motor. I have to do some smashing on the oil pan too, the splayed caps on the bottom end are a bit tigher to the pan then expected. > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/9422868 at N02/sets/72157603069439008/ >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 14:59:12 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:59:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up Message-ID: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This will be a docile engine for the Tiger ;-) The injection is a TWM EFI (replacement for 48IDA's) setup that was for another car but won't fit, so it has to be used somewhere, and seems like a nice thing for the tiger. The combination I have been using is a 331 (3.25" stoke), with about 10.2:1 compression. So will do well around town as well as on the track. The Cobra is mine, almost done too, and the GT350H is my cousin's that he is working on. The rest are the owners of the shop (some old lambo's, and other odds and ends). He is nice and lets us work out of his place as long as we take care of it. Never ending supply of unfinished projects... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: drmayf To: Sandy Ganz Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:23:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up Jeepers! Looks like about a billion dollars worth of hardware on the motor. Aluminum block, canfield heads, Hilborn or kinsler efi fuel injection. Is this going to be stroked as well? What are you going to do with the Tiger when finished? Looks like a real race setup for sure! I am jealous, lol.. Also, looks like alot of neat rolling stock int he various pictures. Definitely not my shop! mayf Sandy Ganz wrote: >Well seems like it will be close with the shaft rockers. I had to remove the breather that wedges between rockers other then that the ends of the cover it seems the shafts hit it a bit. I put on a second gasket and it seems to clear. It may require a bit of a ding with a ball peen hammer and it may just work when things get into place. I will still have to test it at lift to make sure it all works and get it all bolted into place. The taller aluminum cobra style fit fine, but they are the taller casting version for roller rockers which are a bit taller then the tiger castings. The ends are I think going to be the only problem just due to the non-squared ends of the valve cover, the aluminum ones are more square it seems. > >Some images of the mocked up motor. I have to do some smashing on the oil pan too, the splayed caps on the bottom end are a bit tigher to the pan then expected. > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/9422868 at N02/sets/72157603069439008/ >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CMcCann at lwpb.com Mon Nov 12 15:13:40 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:13:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up In-Reply-To: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sandy, This string of conversation has really caught my attention. I too am considering installing a set of Jenvey ITB's on my Tiger, on a 48idf manifold ( idfs were a bit more affordable for me) Obviously this requires clearance to the firewall. I have the setup already, bought it for a kit cobra a while back and decided to get the Cobra. My Tiger was just barely saveable when I got it, and I'm not trying to build a concourse correct Tiger, but I still get a lot of controversy and under the breath opinions from friends when I consider cutting the factory firewall on my Tiger. I will say I have seen many famous Tigers in Tiger Tales or in books with this modification, along with several projects that Dale A. has done, so obviously some people don't mind the necessary modification. What do you tell people when they ask about cutting the cars firewall? Nice Cobra btw...very slick. You have impeccable taste... Thanks, Cullen B382001452 LROFE This will be a docile engine for the Tiger ;-) The injection is a TWM EFI (replacement for 48IDA's) setup that was for another car but won't fit, so it has to be used somewhere, and seems like a nice thing for the tiger. The combination I have been using is a 331 (3.25" stoke), with about 10.2:1 compression. So will do well around town as well as on the track. The Cobra is mine, almost done too, and the GT350H is my cousin's that he is working on. The rest are the owners of the shop (some old lambo's, and other odds and ends). He is nice and lets us work out of his place as long as we take care of it. Never ending supply of unfinished projects... Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 15:31:53 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:31:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up Message-ID: <695214.75060.qm@web82811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am of the same mind. I bought a non-concorse well driven Tiger so I will not feel bad about doing some things to it, like the EFI or other mods that are not too far out. I'm guessing the cut for the injectors will be the most abusive thing I do to the car (Besides driving it), but it is all in the spirit of the reason I wanted just an ok condition Tiger that was not something people would freak out at if I did some work to it. I think Dale A. has done a couple with the injection, don't know how the IDA vs. IDF will play out, but likely not too much. Just save the part that was cut out, a good clean cut can likely be reworked if needed. My car already has been hacked up with hood pins so the area that would need removal (hood latch) is not in use. I bought a 65 Fastback and NOT a GT350 Shelby (when they were not crazy $$) for the same reason, no reason for me to hack up a nice car. In all hosesty I would likely have done fine with a 'Lie-gerr' or is it Alger?? as some also call them. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Cullen McCann To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:13:40 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up Sandy, This string of conversation has really caught my attention. I too am considering installing a set of Jenvey ITB's on my Tiger, on a 48idf manifold ( idfs were a bit more affordable for me) Obviously this requires clearance to the firewall. I have the setup already, bought it for a kit cobra a while back and decided to get the Cobra. My Tiger was just barely saveable when I got it, and I'm not trying to build a concourse correct Tiger, but I still get a lot of controversy and under the breath opinions from friends when I consider cutting the factory firewall on my Tiger. I will say I have seen many famous Tigers in Tiger Tales or in books with this modification, along with several projects that Dale A. has done, so obviously some people don't mind the necessary modification. What do you tell people when they ask about cutting the cars firewall? Nice Cobra btw...very slick. You have impeccable taste... Thanks, Cullen B382001452 LROFE This will be a docile engine for the Tiger ;-) The injection is a TWM EFI (replacement for 48IDA's) setup that was for another car but won't fit, so it has to be used somewhere, and seems like a nice thing for the tiger. The combination I have been using is a 331 (3.25" stoke), with about 10.2:1 compression. So will do well around town as well as on the track. The Cobra is mine, almost done too, and the GT350H is my cousin's that he is working on. The rest are the owners of the shop (some old lambo's, and other odds and ends). He is nice and lets us work out of his place as long as we take care of it. Never ending supply of unfinished projects... Sandy From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Mon Nov 12 16:17:11 2007 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:17:11 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up References: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003701c82582$31216ef0$e71bf304@bob> > What do you tell people when they ask about cutting the cars firewall? Anybody can restore a classic car. It takes a real man to cut one up. Seriously, let the purists whine. Make the car what you want to drive. Bob H http://mypeoplepc.com/members/tgrr2/tgrrrstale/index.html From musta32188 at msn.com Mon Nov 12 16:26:22 2007 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:26:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up In-Reply-To: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Will the injection clear your firewall, or is it going to modified? Looks just like my engine, except for the intake, heads, block, injection, and probably the entire rotating assembly. Other than that, just like mine... Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 17:29:40 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:29:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up Message-ID: <718049.8130.qm@web82810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think for sure a cut, any that I have seen with 48IDA's have it cut and this is essentially an EFI 48IDA setup. It is a pretty common setup I think ;-) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: PHILLIP SILK To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:26:22 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up Will the injection clear your firewall, or is it going to modified? Looks just like my engine, except for the intake, heads, block, injection, and probably the entire rotating assembly. Other than that, just like mine... Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 12 18:50:46 2007 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:50:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up References: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003701c82582$31216ef0$e71bf304@bob> Message-ID: <005801c82597$9c486a20$6501a8c0@GMI> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers follow up >> What do you tell people when they ask about cutting the cars firewall? > > Anybody can restore a classic car. It takes a real man to cut one up. > > Seriously, let the purists whine. Make the car what you want to drive. > > Bob H What you say is true. And when you are done you don't have a Sunbeam Tiger any more and don't have to find original bits. Makes it easier...Gary the purist...B9472283 From hokey at oasisol.com Mon Nov 12 20:27:21 2007 From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:27:21 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Butching Firewall Message-ID: <002001c825a5$1ae00660$1405a8c0@iggy> I think Bob H (Papa Bear) sez it best. I remember many years ago (80's) in a small garage in Portland Oregon..... There he was, making a few cuts with a hacksaw. Then out came the BIG sledge hammer to make some room for the Webers. I think there is a photograph somewhere in the family archives of that historical event. But as time has shown, the horsepower was worth it. Everytime I drive that car, the big grin reveals the sacrifices we made :-) Mike Hokanson Fallon, Nevada From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Mon Nov 12 23:57:23 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:57:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? Message-ID: Guys, Forgive me for asking something that I know has got to be as old as water coolers themselves, but I have to ask. How many of you guys still run your car's with the generator? It does not seem that big of a deal changing out the generator for an alternator, in theory. Unless you want to race it, or install that 200 amp stereo system, why would ya? Is there really a big benefit or just keep a spare generator around. Thanks for all the great insight before hand. Cheers From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Nov 13 00:18:52 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:18:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? References: Message-ID: <035901c825c5$72162ca0$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Or..., - this is probably one of my brain storms that has been already been done (I'm just too naive to know). Supposed someone modified an alternator to fit into the generator housing? Maybe call it "Vintage Voltage." For that matter the regulator could be gutted and circuitry installed to make the charge light work right. OK, I've had a big day and I'm more than ready for bed. Go easy on me. Tom ; - 0 (One eye barely open and yawning) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 04:17:57 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:17:57 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] tiger alignment Message-ID: does anyone have the camber castor, toe in/out specs for a tiger? i have the owners manual, has front wheel camber @: 1/2 positive +/-1/4 toe in @:1/8' (3mm) from outside of tyre so castor settings? My car cas 14x6 wheels, dales springs .. should i go a little negative camber? is there a castor setting? -- Regards Michael King From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 04:28:41 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:28:41 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] tiger alignment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0711130328u34576585l707cacfe9c555049@mail.gmail.com> haha, good luck setting it... i think i was aiming for about 4 degrees +ve castor, 1/2 -ve camber and 1/8" toe in but after about 6 hours on an alignment machine i think i settled for something like +1 castor, -5 camber and a half turn off-center rack to get the toe. car feels very different now, stiff wheel and turns in very easily but at least it tracks straight until i can get the crossmember straightened to spec before i align again. On Nov 13, 2007 11:17 AM, michael king wrote: > does anyone have the camber castor, toe in/out specs for a tiger? > > i have the owners manual, > > has front wheel camber @: 1/2 positive +/-1/4 > toe in @:1/8' (3mm) from outside of tyre > > so castor settings? My car cas 14x6 wheels, dales springs .. should i > go a little negative camber? is there a castor setting? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 13 05:47:41 2007 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:47:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? References: Message-ID: <001001c825f3$61b21300$6501a8c0@GMI> I run a generator without problems...No problems with Lucas systems in my MG and Norton..And I don't care for warm beer. Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wheeler" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:57 AM Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? > Guys, > > Forgive me for asking something that I know has got to be as old as > water coolers themselves, but I have to ask. > > > > How many of you guys still run your car's with the generator? > > It does not seem that big of a deal changing out the generator for an > alternator, in theory. > > > > Unless you want to race it, or install that 200 amp stereo system, why > would ya? Is there really a big benefit or just keep a spare generator > around. > > > > Thanks for all the great insight before hand. > > > > Cheers > _______________________________________________ > arado7 at sbcglobal.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Nov 13 05:52:29 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:52:29 EST Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2007 2:20:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, atwittsend at verizon.net writes: > Supposed someone modified an alternator > to fit into the generator housing? Maybe call it "Vintage Voltage." For that I think I had seen some company advertising that does exactly what you are proposing. Mark

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See what's new at http://www.aol.com From grl19 at cox.net Tue Nov 13 06:00:29 2007 From: grl19 at cox.net (grl19) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Alternator solution Message-ID: Got this from Bruce a while back. George Subject: Alternator solution Saw this on HorsepowerTV. This is from their site. PowerGEN provides the looks of a generator with the output & reliability of an alternator, and offers one-wire operation. We have engineered PowerGEN from the ground-up to be completely brand new, and high-tech materials are used throughout. Output is 75 amps, with a whopping 60 amps at idle! http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/powergen.html Just wanted to pass this along. Bruce B9470147 From CMcCann at lwpb.com Tue Nov 13 07:20:27 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:20:27 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <005801c82597$9c486a20$6501a8c0@GMI> References: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003701c82582$31216ef0$e71bf304@bob> <005801c82597$9c486a20$6501a8c0@GMI> Message-ID: Wow....that's a pretty interesting idea, that the removal of 8 inches of metal off the under hood side of the car completely changes its identity. Not sure I agree with that. I agree that a person could take enough away that eventually you wouldn't have a Tiger....like an extreme case is carrying around a VIN plate in your pocket doesn't mean you're a Tiger owner, but I would think it would take more than the aforementioned firewall modifications. The HSC Tiger has a lot more modification than that, 5 lug, engine bay ventilation cutouts, modified windshield, power increases.....and I consider it very much a Tiger. Just because a famous race car builder/driver in history made the modifications shouldn't mean he's exempt from the concept under discussion. Interesting, well that's the good part about this interest...everyone is entitled to their own thoughts on the matter.... Cullen B382001452 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- What you say is true. And when you are done you don't have a Sunbeam Tiger any more and don't have to find original bits. Makes it easier...Gary the purist...B9472283 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Nov 13 07:41:53 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F39@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I replaced the generator with an alternator when the generator's rear bearing went. The bearing seized and spun in the housing which would have required me to source a new (or repro) housing or find a complete replacement. Doesn't seem like a big deal now, but at the time there were several other considerations: My generator was mounted on a Fairlane bracket, which placed it about 3/4 of an inch further forward than stock. This, of course, was matched by appropriate pulleys on the crank and water pump, but the result of that was that the crank pulley buzzed holes in the steering rack tube. So I managed to get a hold of a properly spaced crank pulley from a fellow Tiger owner, bought a variety of water pump pulleys (different diameters and spacings) from the local Pick-Your-Part, and then built my own alternator bracket for an internally regulated Toyota alternator - a type that I knew was highly reliable and was easy to wire to. And yes, the charge light still works. The 55 amp alternator is more efficient, lighter, and smaller than the 30 amp generator it replaces, and I was able to mount it closer to the engine block so as to reduce the belt length and the weight of the bracketry required. Five little benefits... It's up to the individual to decide if that's enough to warrant the replacement. If you're concerned about stock appearance, then you can use the alt-in-a-generator-can solution that was also just referred to. Assuming they didn't build the case out of steel, it will still offer the same benefits. I have lots of other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to find an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement more compact than it is now. Putting it in front of the left head is easier because it's staggered rearward almost exactly the right amount, but there's a lot of other hardware already on that side. Theo From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Nov 13 07:49:23 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:49:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] tiger alignment Message-ID: Factory specs.....castor 3 degrees 50 min...ie almost 4 positive....camber 30 to 15 min....ie positive one half to one quarter. toe plus 1/8. In other words Castor about plus 4 camber plus 1/2 to 1/4 toe positive 1/8. in mine I had them set it to almost no toe, a half degree of negative camber and they did the best with the caster they could. Only got a couple of degrees of positive camber, with out shimming the crossmember at the back. They did not want to do this so we tried it as it was. of the three caster can often be off a fair bit and on the road you don't notice it as much, esp on a power steering car. Think of caster as the front forks of a bike, the more they are kicked out the more stable in a straight line, the more they are closer to upright the quicker they turn. Look at road bikes and dirt bikes. Anyway mine steers very nicely on the highway and in tight stuff now takes a much better bite, thats the negative camber working. I'm happy with it now and am leaving it the way it is. From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Nov 13 08:18:45 2007 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:18:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, I run stock points in the stock motor on B382001465 and a Pertronix Ignitor I unit and coil on the 289 in B382000991, no ballast resistor. The 991 car has a dual-point (mechanical advance only) distributor. I have and have had similar units in other cars over the years without issue, except for one. The only problem I've had with these units is when clearance between the stator and sensor is not adequate and the stator rubs on the sensor block, causing intermittent running and eventual failure. The root cause was a combination of not enough initial clearance provided by the screw adjustment slot on the sensor unit compounded by worn bushings in the distributor. A rebuild cured the distributor, the replacement Pertronix unit still only allowed about .018" gap, so I filed the clearance hole slot enough to get the required air gap. That was about 20K miles ago, no more issues. It may have been my distributor, but be sure to check that gap. As a side note, the aftermarket distributors I have tried would not clear the F4B casting without machine work, which is why I stayed with the dual-point when I built this 289 a couple years ago. Anyone else experience this? Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Rollright at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:53 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Now, to the Pertronix issue. There is a Pertronix 'Ignitor I' and and an 'Ignitor II'. The II promises a bit more performance but I'd like to know if I will see any benefit with the mild upgrades I envision. And, will my stock tach work with either of them? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 LRXFE Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ mark.rense at ge.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Nov 13 08:26:29 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F3A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> If it fits without modifications or custom machine work, then it doesn't belong on a Tiger... Just bolting stuff on is way too easy. ;) Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: November 13, 2007 8:19 AM To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Jim, As a side note, the aftermarket distributors I have tried would not clear the F4B casting without machine work, which is why I stayed with the dual-point when I built this 289 a couple years ago. Anyone else experience this? Bugz From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Nov 13 08:35:55 2007 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:35:55 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] tiger alignment References: Message-ID: <002201c8260a$e21ae140$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> I'd keep in mind that the factory alignment specs were designed for bias ply tires. Is anyone running bias plys on their Tiger today? Should those specs be "adjusted" for today's radials (which I've heard like some negative camber). Buck Trippel From mrlau at charter.net Tue Nov 13 08:41:30 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:41:30 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <20071113154023.XRIS17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> I think what matters is what kind of car it is day 1 and not day 2. From there it is a modified whatever it was day 1 whether people like or dislike what was done. -- Bill -- Wow....that's a pretty interesting idea, that the removal of 8 inches of metal off the under hood side of the car completely changes its identity. Not sure I agree with that. I agree that a person could take enough away that eventually you wouldn't have a Tiger....like an extreme case is carrying around a VIN plate in your pocket doesn't mean you're a Tiger owner, but I would think it would take more than the aforementioned firewall modifications. The HSC Tiger has a lot more modification than that, 5 lug, engine bay ventilation cutouts, modified windshield, power increases.....and I consider it very much a Tiger. Just because a famous race car builder/driver in history made the modifications shouldn't mean he's exempt from the concept under discussion. Interesting, well that's the good part about this interest...everyone is entitled to their own thoughts on the matter.... Cullen B382001452 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- What you say is true. And when you are done you don't have a Sunbeam Tiger any more and don't have to find original bits. Makes it easier...Gary the purist...B9472283 From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Nov 13 08:42:11 2007 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:42:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix selection In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F3A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F3A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Truer words were never spoken! Would be nice to get a mulligan once in a while though! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:26 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix selection If it fits without modifications or custom machine work, then it doesn't belong on a Tiger... Just bolting stuff on is way too easy. ;) Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: November 13, 2007 8:19 AM To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix selection Jim, As a side note, the aftermarket distributors I have tried would not clear the F4B casting without machine work, which is why I stayed with the dual-point when I built this 289 a couple years ago. Anyone else experience this? Bugz _______________________________________________ mark.rense at ge.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mtjoy at telis.org Tue Nov 13 08:46:33 2007 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:46:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <002201c8260c$5e55e650$1db90c45@computer> Some interesting concepts, Cullen. Okay, let me pose this one. Do you consider my race car, the N: 9 Le Mans Tiger, a Tiger? Hmmm, let's see. It began life as a Series III Alpine. The tub, cowl, most of the wings and nose were saved. Then a unique windscreen and alloy coupi body was fit. The original bonnet and doors were pitched and replaced with alloy bits. Later, after Le Mans in '64 it was fit with a 289 motor and yup, the bulkhead was notched out to fit the Weber 48 IDAs. Most all this took place when there were only the two prototype cars made. So, is it a "Tiger"? Or how about this one. Since it (and the mule and sister race car) preceded the production "Tigers" maybe they are the real Tigers and the production Tigers and the phony ones. :>)) Ah, stirring the pot and such silliess. Darrell ____________________ original message: Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:20:27 -0600 From: "Cullen McCann" Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... To: "Tigers" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow....that's a pretty interesting idea, that the removal of 8 inches of metal off the under hood side of the car completely changes its identity. Not sure I agree with that. I agree that a person could take enough away that eventually you wouldn't have a Tiger....like an extreme case is carrying around a VIN plate in your pocket doesn't mean you're a Tiger owner, but I would think it would take more than the aforementioned firewall modifications. The HSC Tiger has a lot more modification than that, 5 lug, engine bay ventilation cutouts, modified windshield, power increases.....and I consider it very much a Tiger. Just because a famous race car builder/driver in history made the modifications shouldn't mean he's exempt from the concept under discussion. Interesting, well that's the good part about this interest...everyone is entitled to their own thoughts on the matter.... Cullen B382001452 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Nov 13 09:57:05 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:57:05 EST Subject: [Tigers] tiger alignment Message-ID: That's a couple of degrees of positive caster not camber.....sorry From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Nov 13 10:00:11 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:00:11 EST Subject: [Tigers] tiger alignment Message-ID: Good point, and yes my car at least likes some negative caster. Interesting I also decamberd my big healey when I had it and it loved some negative caster with a set of modern performance radials. From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Nov 13 10:04:34 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:04:34 EST Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: This is the stuff historians love to argue about. From a historical point I'd venture if it was done by a factory group or even under the auspicious of a factory supported race team, it is then connected to Tiger history. If Leroy and the boys make a hot rod Alger then I'd say not. From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Tue Nov 13 10:06:44 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:06:44 EST Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? Message-ID: There is a company already doing this, don't remember the name. I used to have the website saved, but erased it when I decided to stay with my generator. Fred Baum 9470768 From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Tue Nov 13 10:13:37 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:13:37 EST Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: For the "original" Tiger we must go back to 1926, maybe earlier? Fred Baum 9470768 From ASugar at hwageo.com Tue Nov 13 12:17:39 2007 From: ASugar at hwageo.com (Arnie Sugar) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:17:39 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Message-ID: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0@darcy.hwa.local> Theo, I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a big bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. Arnie ------------------- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 From: "Smit, Theo" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? To: "Don Wheeler" , ..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to find an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement more compact than it is now. ...... From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Nov 13 12:21:19 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:21:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F40@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Arnie, Thanks for the tip, I'll be curious to check it out. The one I'm currently using is off a Toyota, made by Denso. Most of the other newer ones I've been looking at are also Denso products... All of the Japanese manufacturers use them, similar to how most German manufacturers end up using Bosch parts. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Arnie Sugar Sent: November 13, 2007 12:18 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Theo, I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a big bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. Arnie ------------------- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 From: "Smit, Theo" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? To: "Don Wheeler" , ..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to find an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement more compact than it is now. ...... _______________________________________________ theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Nov 13 12:38:52 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:38:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Message-ID: <732103.1755.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I got a Denso from powermaster, but you can find them on ebay for much less. One wire types too. You may also be able to find bracket for them from Moroso but will need some work I'm guessing, I have it, but have not set it up yet. Also I think Paul Reisents has a stock looking bracket that will take a late model Ford or GM alternator. http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/parts/parts.htm Here is the link from Theo's site I think ;-) http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/alternator/alternator.html ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Arnie Sugar ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:21:19 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Hi Arnie, Thanks for the tip, I'll be curious to check it out. The one I'm currently using is off a Toyota, made by Denso. Most of the other newer ones I've been looking at are also Denso products... All of the Japanese manufacturers use them, similar to how most German manufacturers end up using Bosch parts. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Arnie Sugar Sent: November 13, 2007 12:18 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Theo, I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a big bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. Arnie ------------------- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 From: "Smit, Theo" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? To: "Don Wheeler" , ..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to find an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement more compact than it is now. ...... _______________________________________________ theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Nov 13 12:55:50 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:55:50 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) In-Reply-To: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0@darcy.hwa.local> References: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0@darcy.hwa.local> Message-ID: <473A0146.90205@mayfco.com> Arnie, be sure to tell all of us, lol... mayf Arnie Sugar wrote: >Theo, > >I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of >the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a >Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a big >bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension >bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. > >Arnie > >------------------- > >Message: 13 >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 >From: "Smit, Theo" >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? >To: "Don Wheeler" , > > >..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to >find >an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side >head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement >more compact than it is now. ...... >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From ASugar at hwageo.com Tue Nov 13 13:40:06 2007 From: ASugar at hwageo.com (Arnie Sugar) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) In-Reply-To: <473A0146.90205@mayfco.com> References: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0@darcy.hwa.local> <473A0146.90205@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F330C@darcy.hwa.local> Will do, although I doubt the Hyundai part is rated for 200 mph. -----Original Message----- From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:56 AM To: Arnie Sugar Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Arnie, be sure to tell all of us, lol... mayf Arnie Sugar wrote: >Theo, > >I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of >the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a >Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a big >bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension >bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. > >Arnie > >------------------- > >Message: 13 >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 >From: "Smit, Theo" >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? >To: "Don Wheeler" , > > >..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to >find >an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side >head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement >more compact than it is now. ...... >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From hokey at oasisol.com Tue Nov 13 13:40:16 2007 From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:40:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Toyota Alternator Message-ID: <001001c82635$66cc3400$2f05a8c0@iggy> Just info on the Toyota alternators for you guys that are boneyard hunting. They are small, and easily wired and last forever. Easy to change the pulley as well to match whatever setup you've got. I've had several of the early Toyota MR2's from 1985-1989 (I still drive one every day). Those are the cars with the 4AGE 16-valve motors. The same alternator is also found in the Toyota pickups from 1984-1988 with the 22R motors. I believe the only difference is that the case is reversed, but is the same alternator internally. Mike Hokanson Fallon, Nevada From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Nov 13 14:19:21 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:19:21 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) In-Reply-To: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F330C@darcy.hwa.local> References: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0@darcy.hwa.local> <473A0146.90205@mayfco.com> <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F330C@darcy.hwa.local> Message-ID: <473A14D9.5080008@mayfco.com> Nah, I was thinking more of the orange car, the Tiger.. it is not rated for 200 mph either, lol mayf Arnie Sugar wrote: >Will do, although I doubt the Hyundai part is rated for 200 mph. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:56 AM >To: Arnie Sugar >Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) > >Arnie, be sure to tell all of us, lol... > >mayf >Arnie Sugar wrote: > > > >>Theo, >> >>I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of >>the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a >>Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a >> >> >big > > >>bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension >>bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. >> >>Arnie >> >>------------------- >> >>Message: 13 >>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 >>From: "Smit, Theo" >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? >>To: "Don Wheeler" , >> >> >>..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to >>find >>an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side >>head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement >>more compact than it is now. ...... From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 15:41:11 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:41:11 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: References: <928970.42644.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003701c82582$31216ef0$e71bf304@bob> <005801c82597$9c486a20$6501a8c0@GMI> Message-ID: As for what makes a Tiger not a Tiger it's interesting to see the argument as deviation from standard spec (as opposed to the normal Alger debate) I would say this: A car that is manufactured a Tiger is a Tiger as long as it retains the core components of its original manufacture, and the modifications that are performed are reversible. In that, if the original body unit is largely intact the car retains its bloodline. Things like engines (as in various iterations of the Ford V8) wheels etc can all be changed without much trouble and can be changed back. There are 2 issues I think that bring the modification destroying the lineage issue undone. Tigers have a history of modification. Rootes LAT options include various vents, flares, alternative bonnets; wheels air cleaners etc, so doing some of these to your car doesn't remove its tiger lineage. Then think of this argument: A complete stock restoration to factory spec with new floors, sills, valence vs A car with all original panels but modified scuttle and flared guards.. It's the modified car with more original Rootes content than the stock spec car. I am strongly against changing ID tags on cars, that's outright fraud. You can probably make an Alger that's indistinguishable from a factory car, but that doesn't means its a real Tiger, just that its a very accurate replica, and should be acknowledged as just that. However cutting your scuttle to fit a set of Webers does not make the car anything other than a modified tiger. Also I appreciate the point of the original prototype tigers and the LeManns mule car actually being very much alpine based, but as the factory commissioned/converted these cars they obviously can lay claim to tiger heritage (not to mention the fact they instigated the production cars) All in all, I think the core components of the body are where the heritage is retained. My car has a 5Ltr V8, 14" wheels and updated brakes and a stock body. It's TAC'ed and to me is a lightly modified Tiger, that if need be, could be returned to stock. I would not put a 5 speed in a tiger, to me that ruins the character of the car (even if it does improve it for cruising etc) but if someone does it doesn't mean the car is not a Tiger. As for the stock guys out there.. I am really glad you are keeping the cars as manufactured, I think its important to have true representations of the cars as manufactured.. If I could own a second tiger it would be dead stock (hope one day I can) but for the moment I want one with a little more grunt and some nice Panasport wheels.. -- Regards Michael King From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Nov 13 16:22:40 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:22:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <183908.19510.qm@web82809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks ... or is that Cat's ;-) I didn't mean to start a thread of this nature at all. The car I have is not anything special, and in reality has already been hack up since it was in a front ender at some point it its life. I do care that I preserve the overall feel of the Tiger, what the Tiger is about, and that to me is a fun scary fast cool car that is not gawdy, no 19" wheels with 10" fender flairs, no not that stuff at all. Internal sheet metal removal and making the car better for me is what I'm interested in doing. Everyone has their own reason for what they do, I know plenty of folks might not like doing anything to the cars stock it their gospel, but that is their plan not mine. I like the art of the automobile, the engineering, etc, so to me that is the important part. Plenty of better candidate Tigers then mine rolling around that can be reworked or 'saved'. I just don't really see it as a big deal, but that's me. The injection (and firewall work) is really the only part that is out of wack a bit, the rest of the project will be a nice Tiger build out. BTW I do really enjoy seeing people work on cars that have been restored to original and know the pride they get when they talk about them, and I would never discount that in any way at that is often a much harder path. Sandy From scattt at verizon.net Tue Nov 13 17:01:23 2007 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop parts References: <001001c82635$66cc3400$2f05a8c0@iggy> Message-ID: <009b01c82651$810f7720$6401a8c0@NicksDellPC> After many years af aquiring parts and pieces i am ready to finally assemble my hardtop. I have discovered I am missing a few pieces to complete the job. I am needing the brackets to locate the rear of the top into the hinges. I am needing the flat bow that fastenes the headliner to the front of the top. And last of all I am needing a couple of the large special nuts that mount the latches to the side windows. If anyone can help me I would like to finish this project. Thanks Nick! From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Nov 13 17:02:24 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:02:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) In-Reply-To: <473A0146.90205@mayfco.com> References: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0@darcy.hwa.local> <473A0146.90205@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <000601c82651$a293f0b0$64f3c04a@jerry> What's the problem with a Ford alternator? I have one on my car, and it fits very well in the top right side. You can make it a "one wire" if you get the small regulator that bolts to the back of the alt. It's about 1 1/2 inches square and about 3/8 inches thick. The alt. bolts to the top bolt hole (7/16 inch) in the passenger side and uses the Ford triangular shaped alt. bracket; however, I did have to modify that bracket somewhat. It was touching the water pump pulley, so I had to cut and weld one of the "webs;" but this was very simple to do. The adjusting arm I got off of an early Bronco, and it needed some "recurving;" but, I'm sure there are many that could be modified to fit. I've attached a photo. Anyway, this is what worked for me. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 Tac682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:56 PM To: Arnie Sugar Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Arnie, be sure to tell all of us, lol... mayf Arnie Sugar wrote: >Theo, > >I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of >the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a >Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a big >bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension >bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. > >Arnie > >------------------- > >Message: 13 >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 >From: "Smit, Theo" >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? >To: "Don Wheeler" , > > >..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to >find >an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side >head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement >more compact than it is now. ...... >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Finals 044.jpg] From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Nov 13 17:08:58 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:08:58 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Re: Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo)] Message-ID: <473A3C9A.1030202@mayfco.com> owain should have hit reply all... mayf -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:34:35 -0600 From: Owain Lloyd Reply-To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com To: drmayf at mayfco.com References: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0 at darcy.hwa.local> <473A0146.90205 at mayfco.com> <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F330C at darcy.hwa.local> <473A14D9.5080008 at mayfco.com> Speaking of which, what have you guys had out your toploader equipped tigers? I've briefy had 100 out of mine but it was too loud and scary to keep it up for more than one overtaking move. My shifter vibrates terribly over about 3000 rpm and 100mph is just over about 4000rpm I think. Nothing like as relaxing as cruising at 155 on the limiter in the audi for 2 hours while the wife is sleeping - and that beast only has a mild 250hp! Is that vibration normal or has some previous owner messed up the mating of the trans to the bell housing? On 11/13/07, drmayf wrote: > Nah, I was thinking more of the orange car, the Tiger.. it is not rated > for 200 mph either, lol > mayf > Arnie Sugar wrote: > > >Will do, although I doubt the Hyundai part is rated for 200 mph. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:56 AM > >To: Arnie Sugar > >Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) > > > >Arnie, be sure to tell all of us, lol... > > > >mayf > >Arnie Sugar wrote: > > > > > > > >>Theo, > >> > >>I found a small 55 amp one wire alternator that fits nicely in front of > >>the head. If you promise not to tell anyone, I'll disclose its off a > >>Hyundai (I know, its shameful). No big CAT bracket required, just a > >> > >> > >big > > > > > >>bolt w/ spacers right into the head and a standard slotted belt tension > >>bracket. I can look up the part # tonight. > >> > >>Arnie > >> > >>------------------- > >> > >>Message: 13 > >>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:41:53 -0700 > >>From: "Smit, Theo" > >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? > >>To: "Don Wheeler" , > >> > >> > >>..... other stuff to do on my Tiger right now, but I'm looking again to > >>find > >>an alternator that is short enough to mount in front of the right side > >>head (with standard pulley setup) so that I can make the arrangement > >>more compact than it is now. ...... > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Tue Nov 13 17:20:51 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:20:51 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Re: Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo)] Message-ID: <20071114001944.FIDG495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Make sure the bushing in the rear tailshaft is good along with your U joints. If not the bushing can be pulled out with a tool made for the job or as a lot of mechanics used to do is push it in and leave it hang on the shaft because in those days not everyone had the tool and some vehicles were impossible to get to without taking the unit down. It won't make noise or bind up if you leave it in there. I have never done it and it kind of gives me the willies just thinking about it but it has been done many thousands of times and works fine. -- Bill -- Speaking of which, what have you guys had out your toploader equipped tigers? I've briefy had 100 out of mine but it was too loud and scary to keep it up for more than one overtaking move. My shifter vibrates terribly over about 3000 rpm and 100mph is just over about 4000rpm I think. Nothing like as relaxing as cruising at 155 on the limiter in the audi for 2 hours while the wife is sleeping - and that beast only has a mild 250hp! Is that vibration normal or has some previous owner messed up the mating of the trans to the bell housing? From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Nov 13 17:55:20 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:55:20 EST Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Re: Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo)] Message-ID: Mine does'nt vibrate at all at 80 or so. But last winter I did rebuild all the shift linkage with a kit from toploader heaven. Shifts real nicely now as well. From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Nov 13 20:21:55 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:21:55 EST Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) Message-ID: Theo, on some Toyotas they have an adapter that can be used so a GM alternator will work on the Toyota. Have a couple somewhere. More trivia from the Doc. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From modtiger at comcast.net Tue Nov 13 21:05:41 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:05:41 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Drive line vibrations, prev Gen/Alt string In-Reply-To: <20071114001944.FIDG495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20071114001944.FIDG495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071113192950.024d4550@comcast.net> >Speaking of which, what have you guys had out your toploader equipped >tigers? I've briefy had 100 out of mine but it was too loud and scary >to keep it up for more than one overtaking move. My shifter vibrates >terribly over about 3000 rpm and 100mph is just over about 4000rpm I >think. Nothing like as relaxing as cruising at 155 on the limiter in >the audi for 2 hours while the wife is sleeping - and that beast only >has a mild 250hp! > >Is that vibration normal or has some previous owner messed up the >mating of the trans to the bell housing? It's not obvious from the copy I got who wrote this comment but it needs a complete response. If you have drive line vibrations at speed you have a severe problem that needs attention. Since I have worked on several Tigers with what I'll describe as drive shaft "explosions", I am familiar with the physical consequences that such a failure produce. They are caused by the physical failure of the U-joints and the whipping of the loose drive shaft in the tunnel area. I've never met anyone that personally experienced one of the events but from the damage observed, I can only assume that they were frightening to be conservative. In many cases, the drive shaft tunnel and floor area's in that area were displaced by upwards of 4 inches. I've never seen one that broke through the sheet metal, but the damage was sure to cause what I'd say was your immediate attention and a change in underwear. The first common culprit is loose bolts in the rear flange at the pinion. Always check these bolts at least annually or whenever an unknown vibration is felt. Loctite is your best friend to keep these bolts tight. The second common culprit is failing U-joints. These also need to be checked annually and changed as soon as any detectable looseness is observed. The next most common vibration culprit is a drive shaft that has either lost it's a balance weight or was never properly balanced in the first place. I've sold drive shafts to owners that had a pro built drive shaft that just wasn't up to snuff. The Trans rear bushing can make this problem worse. Pull the drive shaft bolts and try wiggling the output Yoke in the transmission. If you can detect lateral movement, you need to determine if the bushing or the yoke or both is worn and needs replacement. Pulling the yoke and the attendant wear will normally tell you if that area needs attention. And comparatively speaking, My 5 speed kit will give you a very similar soothing effect in your Tiger crusing at good freeway speeds in the range of 2000 RPM plus better gas mileage. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From un-cole-a at juno.com Wed Nov 14 07:47:46 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:47:46 GMT Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <20071114.094746.7359.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Sandy It's your car do what you will. I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not trailer it around, so the safety mods are a must. We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and keep them on the road. Tim B9470149 From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Nov 14 07:48:28 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:48:28 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <20071114.094746.7359.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071114.094746.7359.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Well said....I think that's a simple, good summary of what's important... Sandy It's your car do what you will. I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not trailer it around, so the safety mods are a must. We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and keep them on the road. Tim B9470149 _______________________________________________ From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 08:05:17 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:05:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <20071114.094746.7359.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071114.094746.7359.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0711140705i2e02b13qa0ac60acb6fdf42a@mail.gmail.com> what particular safety mods are you thinking of? I can think of the following (not all of which i've done): 1) 3 point belts 2) roll bar 3) suspension overhaul (not really a mod) 4) grade 8 bolts in suspension and steering 5) drive shaft safety loop 6) fuel cell 7) fire extinguisher 8) split circuit brake master cyl. On Nov 14, 2007 2:47 PM, un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > Sandy > It's your car do what you will. > I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock > resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest > would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not trailer > it around, so the safety mods are a must. > We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then > others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and > keep them on the road. > > > Tim > B9470149 > > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 14 08:34:49 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:34:49 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c826d3$e553f9e0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Tim is restoring a rare early car in Balmoral Gray that came from the factory with an Azure Blue interior. This is a beautiful combination and only 1 percent of all Tigers were in this combination. I have a database on 3397 cars with reported color codes. Of that group only 27 were in color code 76. I know he is facing a "challenging restoration" so lets all give him whatever assistance we can. And bravo to Tim for keeping one more on the road. PS Would anyone care to hazard a guess as to the rarest colors of all only 1 each of these two colors has been reported? Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Well said....I think that's a simple, good summary of what's important... Sandy It's your car do what you will. I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not trailer it around, so the safety mods are a must. We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and keep them on the road. Tim B9470149 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Nov 14 08:38:01 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:38:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F48@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Eggplant. Or are you talking about factory colors? Body only, or body/interior trim combinations? Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross Sent: November 14, 2007 8:35 AM To: 'Cullen McCann'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Tim is restoring a rare early car in Balmoral Gray that came from the factory with an Azure Blue interior. This is a beautiful combination and only 1 percent of all Tigers were in this combination. I have a database on 3397 cars with reported color codes. Of that group only 27 were in color code 76. I know he is facing a "challenging restoration" so lets all give him whatever assistance we can. And bravo to Tim for keeping one more on the road. PS Would anyone care to hazard a guess as to the rarest colors of all only 1 each of these two colors has been reported? Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Well said....I think that's a simple, good summary of what's important... Sandy It's your car do what you will. I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not trailer it around, so the safety mods are a must. We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and keep them on the road. Tim B9470149 _______________________________________________ theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Nov 14 08:38:01 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:38:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F49@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Eggplant. Or are you talking about factory colors? Body only, or body/interior trim combinations? Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross Sent: November 14, 2007 8:35 AM To: 'Cullen McCann'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... PS Would anyone care to hazard a guess as to the rarest colors of all only 1 each of these two colors has been reported? Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse From PhastPhill at aol.com Wed Nov 14 09:03:26 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:03:26 EST Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: For a guess how about these three... 61...Quartz Blue metallic 67...Light Green Metallic 68...Autumn Gold Metallic Have not seen any of this group of colours From un-cole-a at juno.com Wed Nov 14 09:12:16 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:12:16 GMT Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <20071114.111216.14477.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Thanks Ross!!! And this is where I want to be, on the Tiger list. This is and has been an invaluable tool for me. Ever though we have owners with varying degrees of stock and modified Tiger we all appreciate what the other guy is trying to do to preserve his Tiger. I don't agree with all the mods that have been mentioned on this list but if it keeps the Tigers on the road I'm all for it. To often we put blinders on and only focus on what we think is right, we need to focus on what is right for the person who owns the Tiger and what we can do as a group to help out all Tigers on this list. I for one will give out a big thank you so far for all the help I have received. As Ross stated this resto will not be easy but it will be worth it. The color combination is most striking. PS Ross, do you think I should look for a passenger door that is a SIV or work with the one I have. The door is in good shape but if I can replace it with a period door I would like to do that. On the other hand once painted and the door panels installed who will know but me. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 14 09:22:28 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F48@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <001d01c826da$8cff0b70$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Ha Ha :) Factory body colors. Combinations of interiors were only available on the 947 cars and had limited options as you know. Also, I was not excluding any version as the cars reported are a mix of Mark I's and Mark II's. Eggplant. Or are you talking about factory colors? Body only, or body/interior trim combinations? Theo From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 14 09:23:59 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:23:59 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c826da$c3bf9da0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Phil, Color Code 61 Quartz Blue only 1 reported in this color. There is still one color left. Ross For a guess how about these three... 61...Quartz Blue metallic 67...Light Green Metallic 68...Autumn Gold Metallic Have not seen any of this group of colours From PhastPhill at aol.com Wed Nov 14 09:40:07 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:40:07 EST Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: Well there was probably more than one painted this colour. But my vote for the ugliest colour has to be 109 Orchid Green. I don't know why but every English company had some puke green they seemed to have had to use. I had a parts bug-eye that was called Leaf Green....disgusting shade of green. Just my 2 cents worth.....lol.....cheers From shutchin at netjets.com Wed Nov 14 09:43:18 2007 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:43:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: That might have been the color of the last tiger made?? Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Wed Nov 14 10:17:11 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Toploader vibration Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF07E5C93E@norn32.d30.intra> It sound like you are describing an 'audible' vibration type of noise .... For what it is worth I had an audible vibration in my Tiger under hard acceleration and intermittent highway speed. Given that I have relatively quiet exhaust it really irritated me. The vibration manifested itself as a buzzing in the shifter unless my hand was holding the reverse lockout lever and held the shifter off to on side where the sound was dampened. I will point out that this was a frequency vibration that simply created a harmonic in the shifter assembly. It was there with the original 260 but only slightly and I was determined to get rid of it. When rebuilding the drive train I completely disassembled the shifter and re cad plated all of the components and lovingly reconstructed the shifter with new bushings and springs. I completely rebuilt the drive train and found that under hard acceleration the frequency vibration noise from the shifter was still there. Now I have through bolted the motor mounts and that may be playing a roll here but understand that the shifting mechanism was designed in the 1950's and is not as refined as your new Audi's insulated and remote mounted sift assembly. My Dad's '66 Pontiac with the original shifter had a similar vibration on the M-22 4 speed. I recently decided that the stock shifter no matter how well I rebuilt it was not going to be positive enough and replaced it with a hurst 4 speed shifter (pain in the @$$ to install) with solid shifter bushings and it is completely quiet and the engine related harmonic vibration that used to resonate through the shifter has all but disappeared. Just thought I would share that .... Now if I could just silence the damn MSD under the dash from buzzing. (Fuel pump problem is now quiet and surviving after implementing the heat shield solution and the new Holley quiet series 125 pump) Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Nov 14 10:54:39 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:54:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Toploader vibration Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F4D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I can fix the MSD tach adapter from buzzing... Step 1: Install the tach rebuild module Step 2: Throw the MSD module as far as you can ;) Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronak, TP (Timothy) Sent: November 14, 2007 10:17 AM To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Toploader vibration Just thought I would share that .... Now if I could just silence the damn MSD under the dash from buzzing. (Fuel pump problem is now quiet and surviving after implementing the heat shield solution and the new Holley quiet series 125 pump) Best Regards, Tim Ronak From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Wed Nov 14 12:43:07 2007 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:43:07 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Toploader vibration References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF07E5C93E@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <00a101c826f6$954645c0$3deef204@bob> Could be incorrectly phased driveline or wrong pinion angle. > For what it is worth I had an audible vibration in my Tiger under hard > acceleration From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Wed Nov 14 12:47:52 2007 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:47:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Re: Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo)] References: <20071114001944.FIDG495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <00a601c826f7$3f556dc0$3deef204@bob> Not sure. Speedo only goes to 140 and it was past that. Bob H > Speaking of which, what have you guys had out of your toploader equipped > tigers? From ASugar at hwageo.com Wed Nov 14 12:52:46 2007 From: ASugar at hwageo.com (Arnie Sugar) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:52:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo) In-Reply-To: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A3504B389@darcy.hwa.local> References: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F32F0@darcy.hwa.local> <473A0146.90205@mayfco.com> <000601c82651$a293f0b0$64f3c04a@jerry> <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A3504B389@darcy.hwa.local> Message-ID: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A352F336A@darcy.hwa.local> OK, found the part number, but I must apologize, I took a look under the hood and see that it isn't really in front of the head, as I imagined from work yesterday, its off to the side a little (but still small, and less obtrusive than using welded brackets). I remember searching for a really flat alternator I could hide in front of the head at the time, but couldn't come up with one less than around 6" back-to-front of pulley, which is what this one measures. It was off an '89 Hyundai Excel, Part Number XCL14950, also used on some Mitsubishis and others. It came with a serpentine pulley, which I swapped with a V-pulley, so may not be the best application. Sorry to get everyone's hopes up. Photos of the setup at http://mysite.verizon.net/res7zwzp/tigeralternator/ Tom Witt sent me photos of one that looks even shorter, and seems to be in front of the head, off a Geo Metro. From robin02 at mindspring.com Wed Nov 14 12:56:05 2007 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] speed on toploader with vibration In-Reply-To: <00a601c826f7$3f556dc0$3deef204@bob> References: <20071114001944.FIDG495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> <00a601c826f7$3f556dc0$3deef204@bob> Message-ID: <00ac01c826f8$66dec700$6900a8c0@RobinLaptop> 105 with a lot of pedal left. The vibration was less at 105 that at 55. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hokanson Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:48 PM To: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Fwd: Re: Generator/Alternator??? (Smit, Theo)] Not sure. Speedo only goes to 140 and it was past that. Bob H > Speaking of which, what have you guys had out of your toploader > equipped tigers? From Rollright at aol.com Wed Nov 14 12:57:17 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:57:17 EST Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer Message-ID: Guys, Check this out. What a beast! _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html) Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Nov 14 12:58:24 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That car was on ebay a while ago, I don't think it met the reserve....definately a beast...... Check this out. What a beast! _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html) From drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Nov 14 13:10:59 2007 From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:10:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9F5119BC807AF-E30-5994@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> But is it really a Pantera? This should be good for at least 20 responses. Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Cullen McCann To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:58 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer That car was on ebay a while ago, I don't think it met the reserve....definately a beast...... Check this out. What a beast! _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html) _______________________________________________ drmoonstone at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Nov 14 13:10:43 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:10:43 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer In-Reply-To: <8C9F5119BC807AF-E30-5994@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9F5119BC807AF-E30-5994@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: lol..... too-shay.... ________________________________ From: drmoonstone at aol.com [mailto:drmoonstone at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:11 PM To: Cullen McCann; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer But is it really a Pantera? This should be good for at least 20 responses. Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Cullen McCann To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:58 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer That car was on ebay a while ago, I don't think it met the reserve....definately a beast...... Check this out. What a beast! _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html) _______________________________________________ drmoonstone at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers ________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail ! From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Nov 14 13:24:34 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:24:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01c826fc$5f393d60$64f3c04a@jerry> Speaking of beasts, I was lucky to get a ride in a Ford GT that a friend of mine owns, actually he's my insurance agent, but that was the fastest acceleration I have ever had the thrill of experiencing, 140mph in 3rd gear and very smooth. The engine has been worked on. Made my Tiger feel like a Model-A. Ha. Jerry Christopherson 9473186 Tac682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:58 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer That car was on ebay a while ago, I don't think it met the reserve....definately a beast...... Check this out. What a beast! _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html) _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Nov 14 14:43:12 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:43:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer Message-ID: <356154.16683.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You beat me to it ;-) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "drmoonstone at aol.com" To: CMcCann at lwpb.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer But is it really a Pantera? This should be good for at least 20 responses. Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Cullen McCann To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:58 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer That car was on ebay a while ago, I don't think it met the reserve....definately a beast...... Check this out. What a beast! _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html) _______________________________________________ drmoonstone at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From hguynes at cinci.rr.com Wed Nov 14 14:53:53 2007 From: hguynes at cinci.rr.com (Hugh Guynes) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:53:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: <0309180624D04CE696B1335330F51023@StudyDell210> Here is a picture of a very small alternator, I don't know what application it is from but it was bought from Powermaster. http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/hguynes/?action=view¤t=PB130059 .jpg From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Nov 14 15:00:25 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:00:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F53@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Hugh, That's the kind of thing I was looking for! I take it that the rest of your belt alignment is stock? Looks like it from the pictures. Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Nov 14 15:12:21 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:12:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: <768091.36942.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have that exact one from powermaster. They have a couple of models, some one wire some not. The are all over ebay too as the generic 1 wire mini alternators. The nice thing is you can get the single pulley from powermaster with the correct bushing for the denso unit. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Hugh Guynes To: Tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:53:53 PM Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Here is a picture of a very small alternator, I don't know what application it is from but it was bought from Powermaster. http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/hguynes/?action=view$t=PB130059 .jpg _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Nov 14 15:48:04 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:48:04 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator References: <0309180624D04CE696B1335330F51023@StudyDell210> Message-ID: <003e01c82710$6b27f580$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Hugh, That is basically how I installed the alternator from a Geo Metro. I couldn't see exactly how you did yours, but I braced mine in a triangulated fashion to a common water pump bolt. The solid brace is going to the front of the long bolt at the top and the slotted brace at the bottom for adjustment. Tom From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Nov 14 16:00:54 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:00:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: <946218.52857.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=30001 This is the part I'm going to try to hack up, looks somewhat flexible and for the Denso style units. Tons of stuff for the SB Chevy. Hey I should swap out the Ford and dump a chevy in... Just kidding folks ;) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:48:04 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Hugh, That is basically how I installed the alternator from a Geo Metro. I couldn't see exactly how you did yours, but I braced mine in a triangulated fashion to a common water pump bolt. The solid brace is going to the front of the long bolt at the top and the slotted brace at the bottom for adjustment. Tom _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From shutchin at netjets.com Wed Nov 14 16:03:02 2007 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: If you cut a nice big hole right behind the windshield so that you could get at the distributor........ Oops, did I say that out loud. Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From rande at thecia.net Wed Nov 14 16:32:19 2007 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green Message-ID: <473b8583.1be0.0@thecia.net> Not to intentionally cancel out Phast Phil's negative vote, but.. If I were choosing a color to repaint my 1A, I'd go with Orchid Green in a Boston minute. I saw a pretty faded Mk II at the '95 Grants Pass United, as well at the last Mark II built (Mr Netjets is correct)at the Eureka United in '97, and I'd be glad to go green. As it stands now, I'll stay with the Deep Canyon Red that I had my car painted ten years ago (don't ask the paint code - it's a Ranger color). Rande B382000048 From mtjoy at telis.org Wed Nov 14 16:37:15 2007 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:37:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer Message-ID: <003201c82717$4a7100f0$1db90c45@computer> I'm on the Pantera list and this car came up last week. If memory serves on the chatter it is Junior Wilson's car, it was totally creamed some time ago and brought back from the ashes. Hmmm. ------------------------------ -----original message------- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:57:17 EST From: Rollright at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Cc: lee_farrell at sbcglobal.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Guys, Check this out. What a beast! _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/471375904.html) Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ----------------------------------------- From PhastPhill at aol.com Wed Nov 14 17:19:32 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:19:32 EST Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green Message-ID: Well I got one right.....cmon someone else get the other.....!!!! From tlksrhome at comcast.net Wed Nov 14 18:44:44 2007 From: tlksrhome at comcast.net (tlksrhome at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:44:44 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green Message-ID: <111520070144.17922.473BA48B000EE9340000460222135396530A0301089D9C05049B@comcast.net> turquoise blue metallic ?? -------------- Original message -------------- From: PhastPhill at aol.com > Well I got one right.....cmon someone else get the other.....!!!! > _______________________________________________ > tlksrhome at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From hguynes at cinci.rr.com Wed Nov 14 18:52:34 2007 From: hguynes at cinci.rr.com (Hugh Guynes) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:52:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator,MC,ect. Message-ID: I just looked at my link,didn't mean to dump all the pictures. Theo, The picture of the small alternator is from a Dan Rosenthal's vintage race Tiger. The belt alignment is stock. The alternator is so small that the top is even with lip of the valve cover. Larry, The the dual master setup was done by Doug Jennings of Tiger Auto. The size is 5/8 ,one works the front the other the back. The back brakes are disks (Fiat). Dual masters with a balance bar is the same setup that the Cobra uses. The pedal is firm but I can lock the brakes even with good size tires (205/50 15 front, 225/45 15 back). Curt, That 's the same car you saw at Paul's Automotive. That was my first Tiger that I owned from 1982-86. Dan has owned the car now for over 20 years and 3 years ago started vintage racing. The motor is a 289 with iron heads that made 370 hp on the dyno. The motor is very similar to Tom Patton's race motor,just less cam and compression. From gammaman at mokancomm.net Wed Nov 14 19:17:04 2007 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:17:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green References: Message-ID: <002501c8272d$9e03cd40$6401a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Playboy pink? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green > Well I got one right.....cmon someone else get the other.....!!!! > _______________________________________________ > gammaman at mokancomm.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: > 11/14/2007 4:54 PM From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 14 19:26:53 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:26:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green In-Reply-To: <002501c8272d$9e03cd40$6401a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <001901c8272e$fd39c660$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> I think the Playboy car was originally Color Code 86 not because that's from memory. I can't stand the suspense so here are the colors and numbers with percentages as reported. Color Code Numbers Percentage Reported 1. Embassy Black 231 6.8 19. Moonstone 206 6.1 39. Carnival Red 743 21.9 53. Wedgewood Blue 86 2.5 58. Midnight Blue 424 12.5 61. Quartz Blue Met. 1 0.029 76. Balmoral Grey 27 0.8 86. Forest Green 996 29.3 92. Arctic White 295 8.7 100. Mediterranean Blue 276 8.1 106. Commodore Blue 53 1.6 108. Polar White 40 1.2 109. Orchid Green 18 0.5 122. Signal Red 1 0.029 So, Signal Red is the other very rare color. Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green Playboy pink? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green > Well I got one right.....cmon someone else get the other.....!!!! \ From PhastPhill at aol.com Wed Nov 14 19:37:15 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:37:15 EST Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green Message-ID: Well I got first and third.....lol, I'm going to print this list...interesting From tigerfixer at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 21:17:21 2007 From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:17:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <001d01c826da$8cff0b70$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <24367.71175.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Ross wrote: > Factory body colors. Combinations of interiors were > only available on the > 947 cars and had limited options as you know. You could get a contrasting interior color on a 3820 car, I have seen a black 1a with original tan interior purchased here and a white car with red interior plus another black car with red. Looks pretty neet in pebble GT. If you check the BON he states that you could order just about anything on a 66 if you were in Europe or did the fly-and-drive program, but they did ship some to the US and they are very rare. My two cents Bill > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Nov 14 21:35:18 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:35:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green In-Reply-To: <111520070144.17922.473BA48B000EE9340000460222135396530A0301089D9C05049B@comcast.net> References: <111520070144.17922.473BA48B000EE9340000460222135396530A0301089D9C05049B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003801c82740$ecef8710$64f3c04a@jerry> How about the Pink Playboy Tiger? Jerry -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tlksrhome at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:45 PM To: PhastPhill at aol.com; rande at thecia.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green turquoise blue metallic ?? -------------- Original message -------------- From: PhastPhill at aol.com > Well I got one right.....cmon someone else get the other.....!!!! > _______________________________________________ > tlksrhome at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From motoys2001 at comcast.net Wed Nov 14 21:45:20 2007 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:45:20 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator (Bracket) Message-ID: <111520070445.10534.473BCEE000020066000029262200735834CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Try this company for alternator mounting brackets http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/ From scattt at verizon.net Wed Nov 14 22:04:24 2007 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:04:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Hardtop parts Message-ID: <00a301c82744$fdc0ceb0$6401a8c0@NicksDellPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scattt" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Hardtop parts > After many years af aquiring parts and pieces i am ready to finally > assemble my hardtop. I have discovered I am missing a few pieces to > complete the job. > I am needing the brackets to locate the rear of the top into the > hinges. > I am needing the flat bow that fastenes the headliner to the front of > the top. > And last of all I am needing a couple of the large special nuts that > mount the latches to the side windows. > > If anyone can help me I would like to finish this project. > Thanks Nick! From cjcoffel at sonic.net Wed Nov 14 22:35:54 2007 From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (Chris and Jodie) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:35:54 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... References: <24367.71175.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c82749$64ad3d30$6601a8c0@pc1> My fathers car is Midnight Blue (947) with black carpet and blue seats. The right seat is original and looks like it's made of Pig skin. The carpet also is also original. My oldest son and I decided last summer that it will never be fully restored. Buying a nice un-restored Tiger: 24,000 Dollars Buying back the Tiger you owned in college: 10,000 Dollars Owning the Tiger your father owned when you where a kid: PRICELESS Chris Coffel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Martin" To: "Ross" ; "'Smit, Theo'" ; "'Cullen McCann'" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... > --- Ross wrote: > > >> Factory body colors. Combinations of interiors were >> only available on the >> 947 cars and had limited options as you know. > > You could get a contrasting interior color on a 3820 > car, I have seen a black 1a with original tan > interior > purchased here and a white car with red interior plus > another black car with red. Looks pretty neet in > pebble GT. > If you check the BON he states that you could order > just about anything on a 66 if you were in Europe > or did the fly-and-drive program, but they did ship > some to the US and they are very rare. > My two cents > Bill > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. > http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > cjcoffel at sonic.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From twojohnsons at cox.net Thu Nov 15 07:43:55 2007 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green References: <001901c8272e$fd39c660$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <006d01c82795$f30daff0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> What's the difference between Arctic white & Polar white? Other than 7.5%, ----- Original Message ----- From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Nov 15 08:30:38 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:30:38 EST Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green Message-ID: It says in my book 108 Polar White...off white close to old english white 92 Arctic White pure white From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Thu Nov 15 09:07:51 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:07:51 EST Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2007 6:01:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, sganz at pacbell.net writes: > Hey I should swap out the Ford and dump a chevy in... Just kidding folks ;) Just what would you call such an aberration? Fred Baum Totally (well, almost) stock 9470768 From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Nov 15 09:18:19 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:18:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <473C714B.9080805@mayfco.com> call it, maybe, a "chigger"... most of us know what chiggers are.. mayf Fhsloth3 at cs.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/14/2007 6:01:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, >sganz at pacbell.net writes: > > >>Hey I should swap out the Ford and dump a chevy in... Just kidding folks ;) >> >> > >Just what would you call such an aberration? > >Fred Baum >Totally (well, almost) stock 9470768 >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 09:49:39 2007 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green...Arctic & Polar White... In-Reply-To: <006d01c82795$f30daff0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> References: <001901c8272e$fd39c660$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> <006d01c82795$f30daff0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: Arctic White is a cool white (very slight bluish look to the white) Polar White is a warm white (slight yellow or cream look to the white) Paul > From: twojohnsons at cox.net> To: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net; gammaman at mokancomm.net; PhastPhill at aol.com; rande at thecia.net; tigers at autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:43:55 -0500> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green> > What's the difference between Arctic white & Polar white?> Other than 7.5%, _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline From modtiger at comcast.net Thu Nov 15 10:50:16 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:50:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071115093711.025e5e68@comcast.net> At 08:07 AM 11/15/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/14/2007 6:01:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, >sganz at pacbell.net writes: > > Hey I should swap out the Ford and dump a chevy in... Just kidding folks ;) > >Just what would you call such an aberration? > >Fred Baum >Totally (well, almost) stock 9470768 You'd call it "reversible". A Tiger was located in San Jose in the early years of our TAC Program when we (TAC Inspectors) used to drive around the Greater Bay Area on weekends to authenticate non-operational Tigers. It had been fitted with a 327 Chevy engine and early Corvette IRS. Holes thru the inner fenders for the headers and lots of Mods. It was eminently TACable and was entered into our records. Today this Tiger is owned by Bill Martin of Rootes Group. While still modified, you won't find a Chevy V8 under the hood any more. But not to worry about performance, it snarls pretty good these days. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Thu Nov 15 11:27:05 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:27:05 EST Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: Yeah, itchy little buggers that aren't worth anything. Fred Baum From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Nov 15 11:35:10 2007 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:35:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green...Arctic & Polar White... In-Reply-To: References: <001901c8272e$fd39c660$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac><006d01c82795$f30daff0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: The PO must have repainted 991 as an even rarer color: Banana White, because it's a-peeling... :>P Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:50 AM To: Alvin Johnson; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green...Arctic & Polar White... Arctic White is a cool white (very slight bluish look to the white) Polar White is a warm white (slight yellow or cream look to the white) Paul > From: twojohnsons at cox.net> To: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net; gammaman at mokancomm.net; PhastPhill at aol.com; rande at thecia.net; tigers at autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:43:55 -0500> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green> > What's the difference between Arctic white & Polar white?> Other than 7.5%, _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_O ctWLt agline _______________________________________________ mark.rense at ge.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From wpitrman at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 16:41:17 2007 From: wpitrman at gmail.com (wes pitrman) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:41:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Sganz@pacbell.net said Message-ID: >Hey I should swap out the Ford and dump a Chevy in...-You could call it "Goes Like Hell". I have seen an Alpine from Colorado with a 283 Chevy at the NHRA drags at Pomona, that runs 8.5 @ 165. Wes in SoCal From twojohnsons at cox.net Fri Nov 16 08:00:51 2007 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Milers References: Message-ID: <000601c82861$7b39bf60$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Would that be the fastest ever Sunbeam bodied quarter-miler? And what is the fastest street legal Tiger/Alger? I have seen an Alpine from Colorado with a 283 > Chevy at the NHRA drags at Pomona, that runs 8.5 @ 165. > Wes in SoCal From mrlau at charter.net Fri Nov 16 10:50:48 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:50:48 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Milers Message-ID: <20071116174949.SRWT14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> It would seem that it might have been the best to hotrod a vehicle years ago with a 283 because of the availability of parts but now it seems a Ford engine would be the choice especially considering the Ford is over square and the Chevy 283 isn't. Also the go fast goodies are definitely more prevalent for the smallblock Ford now and it would seem that it should be able to make more power especially at high RPM. The 283 is a 1950's design. -- Bill -- Would that be the fastest ever Sunbeam bodied quarter-miler? And what is the fastest street legal Tiger/Alger? I have seen an Alpine from Colorado with a 283 > Chevy at the NHRA drags at Pomona, that runs 8.5 @ 165. > Wes in SoCal _______________________________________________ mrlau at charter.net From lwall at wt-inc.com Fri Nov 16 13:35:00 2007 From: lwall at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:35:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Help with subscribing and unsubscribing Message-ID: <001601c82890$299f3340$7cdd99c0$@com> Anyone, I have been trying to change the email address I am subscribed with. I have tried "unsubscribing" with no luck. I have tried subscribing with the new address again, no luck. I have requested assistance from the individuals listed with my Majordomo "results" email (provided when you originally register), again no response. It could be my fault but I'm not able confirm anything. Anyone out there know who to contact? Anyone have a suggestion. It is pretty frustrating when the list moderator or "the man behind the curtain" cannot be reached. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Lynn From Drmoonstone at aol.com Fri Nov 16 16:25:49 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:25:49 EST Subject: [Tigers] Pantera street/open road racer Message-ID: Thanks fer noticeng mee Mooney ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Fri Nov 16 16:34:01 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:34:01 EST Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0_Quarter_Milers?= Message-ID: If my memory serves me the 283 was the first V8 from Chevy to 1hp/Ci. It is the basis for the 327 (factory 375 hp) and is also the basis for the 350. While you are correct about it getting harder to find parts for the 283, just look through Jegs or Summit and you'll find about a 2 to 1 numerical advantage for Chevy engine parts over ford. By the way, if anyone is interested I have two 300 plus HP 283 available. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Fri Nov 16 16:36:28 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:36:28 EST Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Message-ID: An improvement? Just kidding. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Nov 16 21:08:43 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:08:43 EST Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0_Quarter_Milers?= Message-ID: And the Chevy parts are about 30% cheaper.


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See what's new at http://www.aol.com From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Fri Nov 16 21:25:23 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:25:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <20071114.094746.7359.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071114.094746.7359.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Tim, My car came with the "no seat belt" option and I have been going round and round thinking of what to do and how to address this issue if I want my wife to go for a ride. Lap belts are just so they can find the body, my face is still going to hit the wheel and the passenger will be without a spleen. Three point belts and\or harness needs a rollbar or ?? to attach to. I'm not racing the car, just going for a Sunday drive. So when you say safety, I'm thinking seat belts. But maybe you put in an ejector seat with a parachute? What safety mods are you talking about? What are some options for me that maybe I have not thought about? Thanks in advance! :-) D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:48 AM To: sganz at pacbell.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Sandy It's your car do what you will. I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not trailer it around, so the safety mods are a must. We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and keep them on the road. Tim B9470149 _______________________________________________ dwheeler at dopplegangers.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From jpkkmk at aol.com Sat Nov 17 10:56:04 2007 From: jpkkmk at aol.com (Patrick) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:56:04 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The tiger actually has an attachment point for the three point harness. It is on the rear wheel well. Easiest way to find the attachment point is to look from the outside there should be a plastic plug (to protect the threads) about two third the way up and middle of the rear wheel well. Unscrew the plug and poke a sharp object through and you will have the location from the inside. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Wheeler Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:25 PM To: un-cole-a at juno.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Tim, My car came with the "no seat belt" option and I have been going round and round thinking of what to do and how to address this issue if I want my wife to go for a ride. Lap belts are just so they can find the body, my face is still going to hit the wheel and the passenger will be without a spleen. Three point belts and\or harness needs a rollbar or ?? to attach to. I'm not racing the car, just going for a Sunday drive. So when you say safety, I'm thinking seat belts. But maybe you put in an ejector seat with a parachute? What safety mods are you talking about? What are some options for me that maybe I have not thought about? Thanks in advance! :-) D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:48 AM To: sganz at pacbell.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Sandy It's your car do what you will. I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not trailer it around, so the safety mods are a must. We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and keep them on the road. Tim B9470149 _______________________________________________ dwheeler at dopplegangers.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ jpkkmk at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Nov 17 12:08:57 2007 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:08:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Milers In-Reply-To: <000601c82861$7b39bf60$f03dc048@13930193605348f> References: <000601c82861$7b39bf60$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: <473F3C49.20600@SoCal.rr.com> Alvin, Since I have not raced any cars since 1954, I can only go back to that time. Then, the speeds were noted, but not the time. At the Orange County Drag strip: In 1953, my warmed-up MG-TD ran 72 mph, winning the under 1500 cc class with a trophy and beating the '52 Porsche 356. In 1954, my stock Jaguar XK120M ran 93 mph. The Tiger is significantly faster than either of these. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Alvin Johnson wrote: >Would that be the fastest ever Sunbeam bodied quarter-miler? >And what is the fastest street legal Tiger/Alger? > > I have seen an Alpine from Colorado with a 283 > > >>Chevy at the NHRA drags at Pomona, that runs 8.5 @ 165. >>Wes in SoCal From jheff123 at msn.com Sat Nov 17 12:27:32 2007 From: jheff123 at msn.com (John Heffron) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:27:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Replacement frame components Message-ID: Listers I am a new Tiger owner. Is there a good source for new parts for the X frame including the pass throughs and center panel? I have heard that Rob Martel is not actively in the business any longer. Thanks John 67 Mark1a B382001303LRXFE 67 Healey 3000 60 Bugeye Sprite From bobdixon at frii.com Sat Nov 17 20:07:28 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:07:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 46 Disc brakes Message-ID: <000e01c82990$26d371c0$4100a8c0@BobsDell> I'm curious if anyone has more info on the LAT 46 rear Disc brakes. I had Dale's Wilwood kit on my other Tiger, but the local vintage racing committee frowned on that. Thanks, Bob From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sat Nov 17 20:37:48 2007 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:37:48 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 46 Disc brakes References: <000e01c82990$26d371c0$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: <000601c82994$642d5410$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Bob, On the Sports Car Forum Tiger we have an original Doanne Spencer built & homologated Dana 23 posi rear end that includes the Damlier SP 250 disc brakes (as well as full floating axles with knock offs). We've raced it for the past 5 years in General Racing events along the west coast, including the last 2 Monterey Historics. The rear end kit with the disc brakes was probably the rarest LAT option. Dave Stone owns at least one of these setups as well. Thats all I've been able to locate and I've asked a lot of people. Doanne homolgated the Damlier disc brakes in 1965 & they were used in SCCA B Production racing in 1965 & 1966. However I believe that in 1967 the homologation for LAT options were rescinded & the Tiger was dropped to C Production. Curiously, Don Sesslar drove the Sports Car Forum Tiger in late 1964 & in 1965. By the time the LAT options came up for review by the SCCA rules committee he was its chairman. Don insited on recusing himself from all Tiger related matters and even went so far as to leave the building until the LAT options issue was decided. To this day, he wants everyone to know he had absolutely nothing to do it. Let me know what you need to learn about the brakes & I'll try to help you out. Buck Trippel From twojohnsons at cox.net Sun Nov 18 07:21:36 2007 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Milers References: <000601c82861$7b39bf60$f03dc048@13930193605348f> <473F3C49.20600@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000e01c829ee$544e1de0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Steve, I doubt very much that a stock Tiger could turn 93 in the quarter. They were real accelerating dogs w/that 288 rear and an optimistic 164hp rating. The 2bb carb didn't add to the fun, either. I think one of today's 4-door econobox imports w/fart can exhaust extensions could show a stocker its taillights. That's exactly why they get modified--all for the better, IMO. Al J > > Since I have not raced any cars since 1954, I can only go back to that > time. > > Then, the speeds were noted, but not the time. > > At the Orange County Drag strip: > In 1953, my warmed-up MG-TD ran 72 mph, winning the under 1500 cc class > with a trophy and beating the '52 Porsche 356. > In 1954, my stock Jaguar XK120M ran 93 mph. > The Tiger is significantly faster than either of these. > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > >>And what is the fastest street legal Tiger/Alger? From mrlau at charter.net Sun Nov 18 08:16:10 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:16:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Milers Message-ID: <20071118151511.PKA17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Because of the 2.88's and the close ratio transmission all they really needed was lower gears. I had a 641/2 Mustang with 3.00's and a close ratio with the engine supposed to put out 210HP. I changed to 3.50's and it was like I put in an extra engine and went from being just a cruiser to being a very viable opponent on the streets. The dead start hookup was phenomenal in comparison. My car became legendary when it was only gears and a hydraulic valve adjustment so the valves wouldn't float along with a simple flexible steel fishing leader I put on the carburetor to override the vacuum secondary. That model had the smaller head ports too, probably the same ones that the 260's had. I would assume that the Tigers were a bit lighter also. I will have to agree that the rice rockets with the watermelon launcher on the exhaust do make more noise but it would be hard to drive with a hood over my head so I wouldn't be recognized. -- Bill -- Steve, I doubt very much that a stock Tiger could turn 93 in the quarter. They were real accelerating dogs w/that 288 rear and an optimistic 164hp rating. The 2bb carb didn't add to the fun, either. I think one of today's 4-door econobox imports w/fart can exhaust extensions could show a stocker its taillights. That's exactly why they get modified--all for the better, IMO. Al J > > Since I have not raced any cars since 1954, I can only go back to that > time. > > Then, the speeds were noted, but not the time. > > At the Orange County Drag strip: > In 1953, my warmed-up MG-TD ran 72 mph, winning the under 1500 cc class > with a trophy and beating the '52 Porsche 356. > In 1954, my stock Jaguar XK120M ran 93 mph. > The Tiger is significantly faster than either of these. > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Sun Nov 18 15:04:40 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: <31A60D3A.3ED5279C.028BE4CD@cs.com> My Mk1 had three point belts installed when I bought it and it was very difficult to open the folding side panels for the soft top. I took it apart for restoration and removed them. When I put it back together I'm going back with lap belts only. Steve Halbrook "Patrick" wrote: >The tiger actually has an attachment point for the three point harness. It >is on the rear wheel well. Easiest way to find the attachment point is to >look from the outside there should be a plastic plug (to protect the >threads) about two third the way up and middle of the rear wheel well. >Unscrew the plug and poke a sharp object through and you will have the >location from the inside. > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net >[mailto:tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don >Wheeler >Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:25 PM >To: un-cole-a at juno.com >Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... > >Tim, >My car came with the "no seat belt" option and I have been going round and >round thinking of what to do and how to address this issue if I want my wife >to go for a ride. > >Lap belts are just so they can find the body, my face is still going to hit >the wheel and the passenger will be without a spleen. >Three point belts and\or harness needs a rollbar or ?? to attach to. I'm not >racing the car, just going for a Sunday drive. > >So when you say safety, I'm thinking seat belts. But maybe you put in an >ejector seat with a parachute? > >What safety mods are you talking about? What are some options for me that >maybe I have not thought about? > >Thanks in advance! :-) >D > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net >[mailto:tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of un-cole-a at juno.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:48 AM >To: sganz at pacbell.net >Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... > >Sandy >It's your car do what you will. >I have waited a long time for a Tiger and finally bought one, for me a stock >resto with a few unseen mods for safety is what I want to do. Some purest >would say this is not a stock resto, but I want to drive my Tiger not >trailer it around, so the safety mods are a must. >We all love our Tigers and want to preserve them, some want more stock then >others, but the main idea is to account for as many Tigers as possible and >keep them on the road. > > >Tim >B9470149 >_______________________________________________ >dwheeler at dopplegangers.net > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >_______________________________________________ >jpkkmk at aol.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >_______________________________________________ >sjhcobra1 at cs.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From chris at cthompson.net Sun Nov 18 15:23:54 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <31A60D3A.3ED5279C.028BE4CD@cs.com> References: <31A60D3A.3ED5279C.028BE4CD@cs.com> Message-ID: <4740BB7A.80808@cthompson.net> Ahh yes, I could see that. Not a problem at all with Mk1a and II. I got my 3-pt belts from Moss. Generic, with the period correct latching mechanism that they curiously still use on airplanes.... Chris Sjhcobra1 at cs.com wrote: > My Mk1 had three point belts installed when I bought it and it was very difficult to open the folding side panels for the soft top. I took it apart for restoration and removed them. When I put it back together I'm going back with lap belts only. > > Steve Halbrook From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 15:31:38 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:31:38 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: <4740BB7A.80808@cthompson.net> References: <31A60D3A.3ED5279C.028BE4CD@cs.com> <4740BB7A.80808@cthompson.net> Message-ID: Im in Australia, but i ordered a set of belts through JC Whitney in the USA, nice period 3 point belts with chrome buckle and only cost $50. And from the link i just found good news they are now cheaper! http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2006840/showCustom-0/p-2006840/N-111+10201+600003269/c-10101 -- Regards Michael King From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:19 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:00:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: I got my regular seat belts from J.C. Whitney of all places. They have the old style aircraft type latch and come in several colors for about 40 bucks a pair. Fred Baum From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 18 17:59:50 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:59:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Rob Martel Web Site Message-ID: <8578.87390.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have heard that Rob Martel is not actively in the business any longer. Rob sitll has a web site advertising Sunbeam parts. http://www.robmartel.com/ It seems either Rob or someone else was recently advertising his sheet metal on Ebay. Jeff From bamcnulty at optonline.net Sun Nov 18 18:19:16 2007 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:19:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... References: <31A60D3A.3ED5279C.028BE4CD@cs.com> <4740BB7A.80808@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <004501c82a4a$33eac6f0$0300a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> probably came from Spitfires ... or Hurricanes :--) Tony Mc -- born a Brit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Thompson" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...body modifications... > Ahh yes, I could see that. Not a problem at all with Mk1a and II. > > I got my 3-pt belts from Moss. Generic, with the period correct > latching mechanism that they curiously still use on airplanes.... > > Chris > > > Sjhcobra1 at cs.com wrote: >> My Mk1 had three point belts installed when I bought it and it was very >> difficult to open the folding side panels for the soft top. I took it >> apart for restoration and removed them. When I put it back together I'm >> going back with lap belts only. >> >> Steve Halbrook > _______________________________________________ > bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Landcmitch at aol.com Sun Nov 18 18:21:03 2007 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:21:03 EST Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: If you get that guy in the Jensen factory with his sledgehammer and ding the fenderwell mount in about 1/4", the JCW three-point retractable belt fits fine. Only problem--180 bucks. Or, you could use your own sledge hammer.... Charlie B9470574 - original owner ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Sun Nov 18 20:18:57 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:18:57 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green In-Reply-To: <001901c8272e$fd39c660$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> References: <002501c8272d$9e03cd40$6401a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> <001901c8272e$fd39c660$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: How do you know the difference between Polar White and Artic White? Obviously mine is white all through, even the primer under the current paint looks crhme (if it's the primer) it could be the original color) D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:27 PM To: 'Richard Bruner'; PhastPhill at aol.com; rande at thecia.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green I think the Playboy car was originally Color Code 86 not because that's from memory. I can't stand the suspense so here are the colors and numbers with percentages as reported. Color Code Numbers Percentage Reported 1. Embassy Black 231 6.8 19. Moonstone 206 6.1 39. Carnival Red 743 21.9 53. Wedgewood Blue 86 2.5 58. Midnight Blue 424 12.5 61. Quartz Blue Met. 1 0.029 76. Balmoral Grey 27 0.8 86. Forest Green 996 29.3 92. Arctic White 295 8.7 100. Mediterranean Blue 276 8.1 106. Commodore Blue 53 1.6 108. Polar White 40 1.2 109. Orchid Green 18 0.5 122. Signal Red 1 0.029 So, Signal Red is the other very rare color. Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green Playboy pink? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green > Well I got one right.....cmon someone else get the other.....!!!! \ _______________________________________________ dwheeler at dopplegangers.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Sun Nov 18 20:22:51 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:22:51 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green In-Reply-To: References: <002501c8272d$9e03cd40$6401a8c0@yourus67pi6luv><001901c8272e$fd39c660$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: OOOOOOOOOOOPppppppppppppps, Just saw the other posts. Neveah mind me...... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Wheeler Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:19 PM To: Ross; Richard Bruner; PhastPhill at aol.com; rande at thecia.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green How do you know the difference between Polar White and Artic White? Obviously mine is white all through, even the primer under the current paint looks crhme (if it's the primer) it could be the original color) D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+dwheeler=dopplegangers.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:27 PM To: 'Richard Bruner'; PhastPhill at aol.com; rande at thecia.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green I think the Playboy car was originally Color Code 86 not because that's from memory. I can't stand the suspense so here are the colors and numbers with percentages as reported. Color Code Numbers Percentage Reported 1. Embassy Black 231 6.8 19. Moonstone 206 6.1 39. Carnival Red 743 21.9 53. Wedgewood Blue 86 2.5 58. Midnight Blue 424 12.5 61. Quartz Blue Met. 1 0.029 76. Balmoral Grey 27 0.8 86. Forest Green 996 29.3 92. Arctic White 295 8.7 100. Mediterranean Blue 276 8.1 106. Commodore Blue 53 1.6 108. Polar White 40 1.2 109. Orchid Green 18 0.5 122. Signal Red 1 0.029 So, Signal Red is the other very rare color. Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green Playboy pink? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Orchid Green > Well I got one right.....cmon someone else get the other.....!!!! \ _______________________________________________ dwheeler at dopplegangers.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ dwheeler at dopplegangers.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Nov 19 07:48:23 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:48:23 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Rob Martel Web Site Message-ID: <20071119.094823.21343.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> The web site is still up and I'm sure he still makes the panels but how long are you willing to wait. The panels are great but the time frame to receive them is ridiculous. I understand this is a side job for him so making the panels is not a priority in his shop. Let me make my self clear, I am not putting the guy down I'm just stating facts. Because of the quality of the panels I would love to buy them but I am not willing to wait that long to get them. My two cents Tim B9470149 From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Nov 19 08:57:06 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:57:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Orchid Green Message-ID: <0440FDE3.08D17591.028BE4CD@cs.com> Don: Arctic White is a a very "white" white and is used by a lot of police departments and utilities for their fleet vehicles. In light bulbs you'd consider this to be a cool white. Polar White is a cream or yellowy white similar to Ford GT350 Mustang's Wimbledon white of the mid sixties. In light bulbs you'd consider this to be a warm white. If you would like to see an example of polar white let me know and I'll e-mail you a photo of my Mk2. Steve Halbrook From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Nov 19 09:04:04 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:04:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rob Martel Web Site Message-ID: <03A91CE0.4B39F54A.028BE4CD@cs.com> Joe Chiappetta at tiegurr at earthlink.net has some inventory of Rob's parts that were available in early October. I'm not sure that Joe has the pieces that you're looking for but you can shoot him an e-mail. Steve Halbrook From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Nov 19 14:12:16 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:12:16 EST Subject: [Tigers] advice when buying gas Message-ID: Curious, what are the comments on any or all of this advice? Mark L. WHEN BUYING GAS... I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline....Here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon. Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening. ...your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is t o fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount. Another reminder. If there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Nov 19 14:14:10 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:14:10 EST Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... Message-ID: Steve L. Didn't you say that you installed 3 point retractable belts. If so can you elaborate? Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Mon Nov 19 16:43:35 2007 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:43:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] advice when buying gas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47421FA7.4010701@cs.com> Mark- While there appears to be some logic in some of his statements, I doubt that it is very significant in a 20 gallon tank of gas. Maybe if filling a tanker truck. Besides, once you get more than 4-5 feet below ground, the temperature really stays constant year-round (approximately the average temperature of that geographic region averaged over the year) and certainly does not change from morning to afternoon. -Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Mon Nov 19 17:05:13 2007 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:05:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ...body modifications... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474224B9.1020706@cs.com> Mark- Actually, there is an article at http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickLaifmanBelts/rt-PaulickLaifmanBelts1.asp. I emailed Larry and he told me the ones he used were bought from Victoria British (one of the few things I got from them that actually worked). I have lost the part number though. And it sounds like some folks have found other versions from other sources too. It's a really easy install and feels a lot safer to me. Mine have worked great. -Randy CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Steve L. Didn't you say that you installed 3 point retractable belts. If > so can you elaborate? > Mark > -- > Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Nov 20 20:34:02 2007 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:34:02 EST Subject: [Tigers] Alger?? Message-ID: On e-bay item # 270188751063 **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 20:39:06 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:39:06 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Alger?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why is it an alger? looks like a lightly modified tiger.. has TAC... what am i missing? -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 21:09:09 2007 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:09:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Alger?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <453378.52610.qm@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Vin plate shows the number 1 as the paint code-- was there such a paint code.The trunk appears Tiger, including one battery hold down lug that ppears to have a bungee cord bolted to it. Rivets look rea and it has an older athenticity paper- maybe Norm has some knowledge. What catches my eye is the brake master cylinder and the rib below the fluid resivoir- it appears to stick out quite a bit. TTT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From v8tracker at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 21:24:01 2007 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:24:01 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Alger?? In-Reply-To: <453378.52610.qm@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <453378.52610.qm@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01c82bf6$58d1c1f0$6101a8c0@DellD4700> Paint code 1 is Embassy Black. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > > Vin plate shows the number 1 as the paint code-- was > there such a paint code. From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Wed Nov 21 12:13:47 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:13:47 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Rear bumpers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >On e-bay item # 270188751063 Dig those rear bumpers. Don't know how'd they would look on a sharp looking car. But, sure are creative. I wonder if they were custom made or off of another car. ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Nov 21 12:43:10 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:43:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Rear bumpers References: Message-ID: <010401c82c76$bfe55520$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Jay wrote: >>> Dig those rear bumpers.<<< Obviously they are there to insure swift and sudden death in a rear end collision. I mean who wants to slowly burn to death when the crossover tube can be ripped out in one swift move and send you up in a blaze of glory! Now, I wonder what made me say that? Hummm..., I just bought a Pinto for my Turbo Coupe 2.3 engine and 5 speed. Sort of a 70's car meets 80's engine in a "Tiger-esk" fashion. Naw..., what would that have to do with it. Gas tanks..., gas tanks..., why do I keep hearing the words gas tanks? Happy Thanksgiving to the List - don't overcook your turkey, Tom Witt From gswaybright at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 13:03:03 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Rear bumpers In-Reply-To: <010401c82c76$bfe55520$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: <641425.95984.qm@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I love the idea of your Pinto project! My second car was a hand-me-down '74 Pinto (that I customized) and later in my working life I bought a new '85 Turbo Coupe (as well as later an '89 XR4Ti)... every now and then I look for a clean Pinto hatchback with aspirations of recreating that car, upgraded with the turbo coupe drivetrain (and probably a more subtle paint schem than I chose back then. Check out photos of my Pinto (and other cars of my past) @ http://people.consolidated.net/gswaybright/cars.htm --- Thomas Witt wrote: > > Now, I wonder what made me say that? Hummm..., I just bought a > Pinto for my Turbo Coupe 2.3 engine and 5 speed. Sort of a 70's car meets 80's engine in a "Tiger-esk" fashion. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 21:31:44 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:31:44 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] flywheel cover Message-ID: Hi everyone. My Tiger has a lakewood bell housing and cover plate, i notice it has 3 holes in the front of the cover plate. Is this for inspection? cooling? It seems that it would allow dirt, dust and moistureinto the flywheel, should i cover the holes? see the pic: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2260370160054462410XXWGWG -- Regards Michael King From jim at island.net Wed Nov 21 22:04:36 2007 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] flywheel cover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <020301c82cc5$2dfb1bf0$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> I've had that setup in both Tigers that I've owned...Only issue was in the first one about 30 years ago. I decided to cruise down a gravel alley and as I progressed, the tracks got lower and the center humped up to the point that the Lakewood was actually 'grading' the gravel down!! I guess some of the small stones went through the holes and got thrown up in the pocket where the starter nose is. The next time I tried to start the car, the starter would not engage as there was no room for it to go. I ended up having to pull it and clean out the pocket. Never had that problem again... but never went 'off-road' again either... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: November 21, 2007 8:32 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] flywheel cover Hi everyone. My Tiger has a lakewood bell housing and cover plate, i notice it has 3 holes in the front of the cover plate. Is this for inspection? cooling? It seems that it would allow dirt, dust and moistureinto the flywheel, should i cover the holes? see the pic: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2260370160054462410XXWGWG -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From stubrennan at comcast.net Fri Nov 23 18:38:13 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:38:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dr. Mayf On The Salt Message-ID: <000001c82e3a$ad8c19c0$6601a8c0@Brennan> I just came across a few more pics of our Dr. Mayf on the salt at: http://www.pbase.com/sdowen/bonneville_all Scroll down to around IMG 1213 to 1226 Stu From al at airtest.us Fri Nov 23 17:49:32 2007 From: al at airtest.us (Al Fudge) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:49:32 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top stowage. Message-ID: I just purchased my first Tiger, B 9471635. I tried for two hours to stow the top, after I saw the video I had it done in 10 minutes. Thanks!!! Al Fudge From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 25 08:53:17 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:53:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top stowage. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c82f7b$4c6269a0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Al, You are most welcome. Glad I could be of some small help. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse ____________________________ To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top stowage. I just purchased my first Tiger, B 9471635. I tried for two hours to stow the top, after I saw the video I had it done in 10 minutes. Thanks!!! Al Fudge From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Nov 25 12:34:06 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:34:06 EST Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay Message-ID: Does anyone know the brand of the wheels on this EBay car? EBay item # 130177350436 Thanks, Mark **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From jim at island.net Sun Nov 25 13:24:39 2007 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:24:39 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <032d01c82fa1$346fee50$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> Those wheels look very similar to the wheels I had on my old Porsche 914/215V8 that I built . The way the spokes attach to the hub is the same but I recall mine had 8 spokes. They were Carrol Shelby Mini-Europa's. The one's I had were 15x7 and 15x8.5 ... not sure what other sizes they came in... There was a Tiger at TUXXX that had mini-europa's on it ... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: November 25, 2007 11:34 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay Does anyone know the brand of the wheels on this EBay car? EBay item # 130177350436 Thanks, Mark **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From j.brawley at comcast.net Sun Nov 25 14:24:52 2007 From: j.brawley at comcast.net (j.brawley at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:24:52 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay Message-ID: <112520072124.28302.4749E82400048CA800006E8E2200750744970A04990E9D0DD206@comcast.net> They are Western wheels -------------- Original message -------------- From: CoolVT at aol.com > Does anyone know the brand of the wheels on this EBay car? > EBay item # 130177350436 > Thanks, Mark > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > j.brawley at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From MWood24020 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 14:33:02 2007 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:33:02 EST Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay Message-ID: Western, Shelby and, I believe, a couple of others cast either identical or materially identical, "Minilite" type wheels in the '70s to early '90s. I guess the question is whether the tooling used was passed from one manufacturer to the other...I had a set of the Shelby wheels on my old 240Z and also have a set currently in the garage in 13X5.5" "uni lug" (bad, very bad) that fit a Tiger. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Nov 25 15:32:03 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c82fb3$00eaabd0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Yup, they look like my 13 x 5.5 Western wheels,that I have on my Tiger. As mentioned earlier, they are "Unilug" wheels, able to fit a couple different 4 lug spacings. The centers are painted on the ebay car, whereas most I've seen are natural. By the way, I also have a duplicate spare wheel, a total virgin, since it has never had a tire mounted or lug nuts tightened. I'm not sure about the spinner hubs on the ebay car, since I had to locate my own. Stu From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun Nov 25 19:34:51 2007 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:34:51 EST Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Re: Left rear wheel locked up Message-ID: Ok boys and girls, the left rear wheel is still locked. The e-break is off. Any hints or tips on this? The R-rear wheel spins and the drive shaft spins. Thanks One more time. Drove car into garage parked it. Wasn't wet when parked. Loosened bleeder took off break line, little dribble. Took off wheel, took out Phillips screw. Drum moves a bit but won't come off feels like brakes are pushing against drum. Adjuster won't budge with 1/4 inch wrench. Any Ideas? Thanks again. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From mrlau at charter.net Sun Nov 25 19:43:29 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Re: Left rear wheel locked up Message-ID: <20071126024231.ZDIB17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Take a hammer about 4 pounds or so and tap the drum all the way around and see if you can make it relieve the pressure. Don't get too rough. There may be grooves in the shoes corresponding with the drum which keeps it from coming off. Your right wheel and driveshaft spin because the differential allows that unless you had a posi. -- Bill -- Ok boys and girls, the left rear wheel is still locked. The e-break is off. Any hints or tips on this? The R-rear wheel spins and the drive shaft spins. Thanks One more time. Drove car into garage parked it. Wasn't wet when parked. Loosened bleeder took off break line, little dribble. Took off wheel, took out Phillips screw. Drum moves a bit but won't come off feels like brakes are pushing against drum. Adjuster won't budge with 1/4 inch wrench. Any Ideas? Thanks again. From jimsnell at qwest.net Sun Nov 25 20:15:25 2007 From: jimsnell at qwest.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:15:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Question Message-ID: <003801c82fda$97645490$0401000a@DC709T91> Hi - looking for some help on how best to remove the oil filter. The oil filter is like what's pictured below (hopefully it comes thru). There are 3 nuts that look like they should come off on the upper part of the filter: one right up top (#1 below); one at the end of the hose on the upper side coming into the J tube (#2 below) and one on the lower side (#3 below). I've tried all 3 and all don't budge. Before I force anything, thought I'd see from the group how best to detach the filter. A couple of related questions. Does anyone know who sells the replacement canister (standard oil filter?). I think I must have a small hole in the filter canister as I'm getting a leak out the bottom side, but there's nothing leaking anywhere up top at any connections or down the top part of the canister. Also - is there a spin on filter adaptor that can be used to make filter changes easier? I have a 5 bolt 289 with headers. Thanks! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of oil filter.bmp] From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 20:56:52 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:56:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay References: Message-ID: I did notice that this car had the VIN plate held on with sheet metal screws :-( Wonder if that is going to cause the new owner grief when they go to register that car in thier state Steve > Does anyone know the brand of the wheels on this EBay car? > EBay item # 130177350436 > Thanks, Mark From PhastPhill at aol.com Mon Nov 26 08:08:53 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:08:53 EST Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Question Message-ID: I use a spin on adaptor I bought on e-bay, but if you do a search on this board you will find people that sell them. For a oil filter I then use a WIX 51335 Filter, it's small and clears the headers on my MK II 289. Nick showed me this set up on his car in Florida, so I just did the same, seems fine after two or three years now. From CMcCann at lwpb.com Mon Nov 26 08:10:59 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:10:59 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here in Oklahoma, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't care if the vin tag was attached with rivets vs sheet metal screws. Which is kinda scary if you ask me. When I was stripping the paint on my project, you wouldn't believe all the people that suggested the removal of the vin tag first...all the dippers, blasters, and strippers thought it would be easier ( or mandatory) without it and didn't understand at all when I told them I didn't want to do it that way. I even had one guy suggest cutting out the cowl around it, and dipping the car, and welding it back in later.....since I was so concerned about it. When I emailed Mr Miller about the car when I had purchased it, I sent him pictures and his first comment was regarding the factory rivets and "no question about pedigree"....after that, I decided no matter what I wouldn't take that tag off, by choice. I understand that wont prevent a person from getting a TAC, but I get the impression it helps. Cullen ------------------------------------------ I did notice that this car had the VIN plate held on with sheet metal screws :-( Wonder if that is going to cause the new owner grief when they go to register that car in thier state Steve From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Nov 26 08:39:33 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:39:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on Ebay Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F8B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Having the VIN tag attached to the cowl with the factory rivets, with the factory paint underneath, raises the bar significantly when it comes to determining whether or not a Tiger chassis is the one referenced on the tag... But the authenticity of the chassis itself (i.e., whether or not it's a Tiger chassis) isn't dependent on whether or not a Tiger VIN tag is attached to it. One could even take the VIN tag off and attach an Alpine tag, and it would still be TAC-able as a Tiger. The TAC certificate includes a check box that indicates whether or not the VIN plate is attached with the original fasteners. A reason for this is that when the tag is not held on with original fasteners, it is possible that, while the chassis is an authentic Tiger chassis, and the VIN plate is an authentic Tiger VIN plate, they did not leave the factory attached to each other. In the case of the eBay car, we can see that the VIN plate's color code is 39, and the interior paint color (visible in the rear-parcel-shelf photo) is red. That doesn't guarantee anything, but it adds to the consistency of the overall picture and should reduce the apprehension level related to the car. A detailed inspection of the car should reveal other details that are consistent with the production era (middle Mk1, probably pre-transition bodyshell), or else some pointed questions need to be asked. Theo -----Original Message----- When I emailed Mr Miller about the car when I had purchased it, I sent him pictures and his first comment was regarding the factory rivets and "no question about pedigree"....after that, I decided no matter what I wouldn't take that tag off, by choice. I understand that wont prevent a person from getting a TAC, but I get the impression it helps. Cullen ------------------------------------------ From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Nov 26 12:40:15 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Re: Left rear wheel locked up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01c83064$2b057560$64f3c04a@jerry> What I would try to figure out is, is it the drum or is there something wrong with the bearings on the inside of the diff. or the outside wheel bearing. To check this I would carefully chock all wheels and then start the engine, and in first gear slowly let the clutch out enough to see if the left wheel will start to rotate and without any noise. This of course is assuming you don't have posi. If it rotates smoothly you know that the problem is in the brake drum area. The info that Bill L. gave you might work well just be careful not to hit the edge of the drum they crack very easy. A dead blow hammer would work well here. This is why it is important to use a little anti-seize on the threads of your adjuster when assembling the brakes. When you get it all apart and clean the adjuster be sure to apply some anti-seize to the threads and the steel wedge so it will work for years to come. Well that's my two cents worth. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:35 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Re: Left rear wheel locked up Ok boys and girls, the left rear wheel is still locked. The e-break is off. Any hints or tips on this? The R-rear wheel spins and the drive shaft spins. Thanks One more time. Drove car into garage parked it. Wasn't wet when parked. Loosened bleeder took off break line, little dribble. Took off wheel, took out Phillips screw. Drum moves a bit but won't come off feels like brakes are pushing against drum. Adjuster won't budge with 1/4 inch wrench. Any Ideas? Thanks again. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Nov 26 15:49:54 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:49:54 EST Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Re: Left rear wheel locked up Message-ID: And replace the springs. That may be your problem. Its the springs that pulls the shoes off when the brake pedal is released. If a spring breaks, your brakes are on!! All you can do is try work the drum off using hammers, screw drivers, super secret swear words, etc. Good luck. Dave **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From mrlau at charter.net Mon Nov 26 16:00:50 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:00:50 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Re: Left rear wheel locked up Message-ID: <20071126225952.DPVN495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Jerry if he tries this with the right wheel on the ground it will act like a posi and pull the car forward so this must be done with utmost caution. If the right wheel is off the ground too it will just spin. I'm afraid that the emergency cable on the left side is stuck in its tube and not releasing. I haven't been in the rear brakes on my tiger for a while and can't remember how that cable goes through or whether it can be oiled from the outside. I doubt it or it wouldn't be weatherproof. Maybe someone who has been there lately has an idea. Without looking I think the adjuster would be tight if the emergency brake wasn't releasing. If one person pulled on the E brake while someone else watched it might be possible to tell what is happening.-- Bill -- What I would try to figure out is, is it the drum or is there something wrong with the bearings on the inside of the diff. or the outside wheel bearing. To check this I would carefully chock all wheels and then start the engine, and in first gear slowly let the clutch out enough to see if the left wheel will start to rotate and without any noise. This of course is assuming you don't have posi. If it rotates smoothly you know that the problem is in the brake drum area. The info that Bill L. gave you might work well just be careful not to hit the edge of the drum they crack very easy. A dead blow hammer would work well here. This is why it is important to use a little anti-seize on the threads of your adjuster when assembling the brakes. When you get it all apart and clean the adjuster be sure to apply some anti-seize to the threads and the steel wedge so it will work for years to come. Well that's my two cents worth. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC682 Ok boys and girls, the left rear wheel is still locked. The e-break is off. Any hints or tips on this? The R-rear wheel spins and the drive shaft spins. Thanks One more time. Drove car into garage parked it. Wasn't wet when parked. Loosened bleeder took off break line, little dribble. Took off wheel, took out Phillips screw. Drum moves a bit but won't come off feels like brakes are pushing against drum. Adjuster won't budge with 1/4 inch wrench. Any Ideas? Thanks again. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 23:15:20 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:15:20 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] throtle cable Message-ID: Did the stock Tigers run a throtle cable or rod on the MKIA's and IIs? -- Regards Michael King From awtiger at cox.net Tue Nov 27 07:28:57 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 9:28:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] throtle cable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071127092857.SKMP2.112124.root@eastrmwml05.mgt.cox.net> Throttle cable ---- michael king wrote: > Did the stock Tigers run a throtle cable or rod on the MKIA's and IIs? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Nov 27 13:45:47 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:45:47 EST Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock Message-ID: The time has come to have my clock repaired after about 16 years of looking at it not working. I thought that the inners should be converted to quartz movement. The first quote I got was $375 for the conversion. Never thought it would be that steep. Maybe I'll skip the quartz conversion and just settle for a repair....I'm assuming a cleaning and adjustment. So, what is the opinion of the group and who have you used for either a repair or conversion? Thanks, Mark L. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 16:01:46 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:01:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0711271501r3ef3a5faoe8fbb66001c278c5@mail.gmail.com> I rebuilt mine with a battery quatrz unit. The whole thing cost me less than 10 bucks and the clock doesn't stop when I cut the battery out. On 11/27/07, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > The time has come to have my clock repaired after about 16 years of looking > at it not working. I thought that the inners should be converted to quartz > movement. > The first quote I got was $375 for the conversion. Never thought it would > be that steep. Maybe I'll skip the quartz conversion and just settle for a > repair....I'm assuming a cleaning and adjustment. > So, what is the opinion of the group and who have you used for either a > repair or conversion? > Thanks, Mark L. > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 18:24:18 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:24:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c8315d$663ef260$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Mark, The price for my conversion on new OEM Clock was $175 in 2002. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:46 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock The time has come to have my clock repaired after about 16 years of looking at it not working. I thought that the inners should be converted to quartz movement. The first quote I got was $375 for the conversion. Never thought it would be that steep. Maybe I'll skip the quartz conversion and just settle for a repair....I'm assuming a cleaning and adjustment. So, what is the opinion of the group and who have you used for either a repair or conversion? Thanks, Mark L. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 18:41:48 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:41:48 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock In-Reply-To: <39a841b0711271501r3ef3a5faoe8fbb66001c278c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c8315f$d7c27a40$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> I recently observed a product in AutoSport Magazine that plugs into your cigar lighter and has a nine volt batter attached. It provides enough juice to run the clock and maintain presets on the radio if you have one. With the FlowMaster 2" exhaust system I cannot hear the radio anyway so presets are not important at this juncture. Ross I rebuilt mine with a battery quatrz unit. The whole thing cost me less than 10 bucks and the clock doesn't stop when I cut the battery out. On 11/27/07, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > The time has come to have my clock repaired after about 16 years of looking > at it not working. I thought that the inners should be converted to quartz > movement. > The first quote I got was $375 for the conversion. Never thought it would > be that steep. Maybe I'll skip the quartz conversion and just settle for a > repair....I'm assuming a cleaning and adjustment. > So, what is the opinion of the group and who have you used for either a > repair or conversion? > Thanks, Mark L. From Rollright at aol.com Wed Nov 28 12:13:54 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:13:54 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 167 Message-ID: RE: clock conversion to Quartz I bought a second clock to have converted from one of the English Sunbeam guys. About 75 US a few years ago and sent it to Tiger Tom Erhart in Penn. Memory says it was about $ 150 for the conversion but it is really slick: you get to keep the setting mechanism on the stem so it really is stock-like. Got the old clock stashed for the next "Keeper Of the Flame" Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Rollright at aol.com Wed Nov 28 12:23:32 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:23:32 EST Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust dressing Message-ID: Hello, As some of you might know, my original 260 went south in October. Cause? The sprocket that drives the cam/timing chain. As the guy who wrote "How to rebuild a Small Block Ford" said, "this is the Achilles heel of this engine". Back in the early days of production, this gear had nylon teeth, as did a number of U.S. V8 of the day. Nylon ran quietly in this application, but was never designed for the 145K miles I had on my engine. Anybody out there with the original unrebuilt engine, I recommend you get a metal gear, now the only one available. Best holiday regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Rollright at aol.com Wed Nov 28 12:29:25 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:29:25 EST Subject: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds Message-ID: Hello again, OK. I'm working away on different aspects of the rebuild and all. I've glass bead blasted the original exhaust manifolds. Has anybody had good luck with the exhaust manifold coatings they sell in Eastwood? Just want to prevent rust and keep things looking nice. They advertise that their coatings are good to 1200 F but a very knowledgeable friend said that wasn't nearly good enough. Much higher temps he says are seen in IC engine exhausts. Anybody? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From lon at sedona.net Wed Nov 28 13:51:06 2007 From: lon at sedona.net (Lon) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:51:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clock Message-ID: <004501c83200$65fedf10$0d01000a@LONW> Great Scott who gave you a quote of $300 + ! Had a conversion done to my '37 Buick street rod for $20 by the local watch repair guy. Battery powered, replace the battery once a year, at worst . . . looks original on the outside (because it is . . .). From 65tiger at comcast.net Wed Nov 28 14:00:09 2007 From: 65tiger at comcast.net (65tiger at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust dressing Message-ID: <112820072100.12933.474DD6D8000AAFB20000328522068246930A040A040A0D070C@comcast.net> I had my nylon timing gear go out on the Richardson highway at 40 degrees below zero in Alaska. That car had about 90K miles on it. The tow bill was about $240, a months salary in 1975. Curtis -------------- Original message -------------- From: Rollright at aol.com > Hello, > > As some of you might know, my original 260 went south in October. Cause? The > sprocket that drives the cam/timing chain. > > As the guy who wrote "How to rebuild a Small Block Ford" said, "this is the > Achilles heel of this engine". Back in the early days of production, this gear > had nylon teeth, as did a number of U.S. V8 of the day. Nylon ran quietly in > this application, but was never designed for the 145K miles I had on my > engine. > > Anybody out there with the original unrebuilt engine, I recommend you get a > metal gear, now the only one available. > > Best holiday regards, > > Jim Armstrong > MK 1A 382002083 > Rollright at aol.com > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > 65tiger at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Rollright at aol.com Wed Nov 28 14:17:10 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:17:10 EST Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust dressing Message-ID: Curtis, You get the prize for worst breakdown conditions: ALASKA.......40 below..... Damn those nylon gears. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 14:49:12 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:49:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Frame Works Message-ID: <000c01c83208$83e5c5e0$6501a8c0@your03667082de> I haven't seen this topic discussed lately so I thought I would bring it up. About a year ago I had a set of Dale Ak....i springs installed on my car. While on the lift I noticed evidence of cracks on the frame just before the front spring eye. The mechanic said he would try to weld the cracks which I knew would be a temporary solution at best. A few months ago I heard some banging noises from the rear of the car mostly from the drivers side. Thinking maybe the panhard rod had come loose or the spring had come unbolted, I jacked up the car and didn't see anything loose. Checking the frame I noticed a rust hole in the same area where the crack occurred. Poking around the hole with a screw driver made it much larger. The frame on the other side had the same problem but to a lesser extent. All the info I can find indicates the driver side has the problem worse than the passenger side for some reason. It may be caused by a hole punched in the outside edge of the frame on the drivers side and it lets in water. The passenger side lacks this hole. Here is an example of a catastrophic failure : (search for Sunbeam) http://www.universitymotorsltd.com/projects_archive/2005_12_01_archive.html This problem is not only for the rust belt cars. It seems all cars have this issue. A good write up is found here : http://66.175.58.218/tech/Rear_Spring_Mount_Tip.pdf To fix the problem you can buy a ready made kit from: http://www.tigerengineering.net/ I had a frame shop install this kit since I do not have a lift or welder. Or you can do it your self using a patch like this : http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/index2.htm The last write up is borrowed from the CAT Shop Notes. Jeff From PhastPhill at aol.com Wed Nov 28 14:55:35 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:55:35 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 167 Message-ID: The PO of my car had Tiger Tom do the same with the clock in 2003. It does work well, not sure of the cost. There is a place near Toronto that could fix it, Alfa instruments. Don't know how much it would cost, he's not cheap, but is an old guy who worked for Smiths for probably 30 years. His shop is a disaster area but I'm sure he has bits of every instrument Smiths or Jaeger ever made. He rebuilt my tach and re calibrated and changed the face so it is now a perfect working 7000 rpm LAT 22 tach. He has no e-mail you would have to call.....his english is not great.....416-736-4267, name is Ted Sapieja. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Nov 28 14:58:58 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Frame Works Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F95@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Thanks for the reminder, Jeff. If you have weld-on Traction Masters they make this problem worse because all the torque applied to the rear axle (as well as any bump you hit) gets translated to compression and extension of the sheetmetal (and welds) between the spring eye and the place where the Traction Masters are welded on. If the back of your Tiger is jacked up for whatever reason, it's worthwhile to go under there with a trouble light and see how things are - at least on an annual basis. Theo From vegaslegal at aol.com Wed Nov 28 14:59:03 2007 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Reply to Alger? Paint Code Message-ID: <8CA00210647D1B8-9F4-31E9@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> Yes there was a paint code 1--Black (with red interior).? Special order.? My MK1a (382000975) has the code and the color.? Believe there are two or three others. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 From Rollright at aol.com Wed Nov 28 15:04:07 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:04:07 EST Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust dressing Message-ID: The guy rebuilding the engine showed it to me and it had nylon teeth: some broken off but nylon teeth Remember, our 260s were built in Canada in an industrial engine plant and what shows for US passenger car production doesn't necessarily work for ours. For instance, my 260 has three freeze plugs per side: that mean according to the data books I have that it is a 289 block bored to 260. Passenger car 260s had two freeze plugs. Jim Armstrong **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From DJoh797014 at aol.com Wed Nov 28 16:02:06 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:02:06 EST Subject: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds Message-ID: I did just what you did. I blasted by stock cast iron headers and then applied Eastwood header paint per the instructions. One year later it was rusting through the paint. I complained to Eastwood. They said my problem was that I did not heat the headers immediately after coating them. Why would I as I didn't have the the engine back in the car?. Eastwood said the coating requires high heat to set. The heat needs to be applied right away. Of course their instructions did not mention this fact. They refused to refund my money and basically said 'tough luck'. Will I ever buy an Eastwood product again? They are over priced and the same item can usually be found cheaper elsewhere. Not on your life. My advice is to have them coated. Or use a quality header paint from you nearest store I hear some have used Rustoleom BBQ paint. Dave **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Nov 28 16:23:20 2007 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:23:20 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds Message-ID: <112820072323.14398.474DF868000BB1650000383E22155863940B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> I used Eastwood's on my manifolds in 1992. Worked GREAT. There is a little rust starting now but boy did they look good for several years. I had them sandblasted at the local headstone maker before painting. When you first fire up the new motor they will fume off for a while, don't start it in the garage! Gary -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Rollright at aol.com > Hello again, > > OK. I'm working away on different aspects of the rebuild and all. > > I've glass bead blasted the original exhaust manifolds. > > Has anybody had good luck with the exhaust manifold coatings they sell in > Eastwood? Just want to prevent rust and keep things looking nice. They advertise > that their coatings are good to 1200 F but a very knowledgeable friend said > that wasn't nearly good enough. Much higher temps he says are seen in IC > engine exhausts. > > Anybody? > > Jim Armstrong > MK 1A 382002083 > Rollright at aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Nov 28 16:53:22 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:53:22 EST Subject: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds Message-ID: If you have a store in your area that sells wood stoves they will have heat resistant paint in 5 or 6 colors. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From dickbarker at earthlink.net Wed Nov 28 16:59:33 2007 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:59:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 289s bored to 260 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 03:24 PM 11/28/2007, Jim Armstrong wrote: >For instance, my 260 has three freeze plugs per side: that mean >according to the data books I have that it is a 289 block bored to 260. Oh my gosh, not that hogwash again! I thought that notion was dead and buried long ago! By "data books," you can only mean Chittenden's Performance Tuning book. Even the reprints still have that claim! I give up. I'm just too old now for more stuff about big men with sledge hammers, MK Is built with 289's, counting freeze plugs, etc....... Dick From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 17:04:25 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:04:25 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] 289s bored to 260 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Umm.. 289 "bored" to 260? how would boring a motor DECREASE capacity? What am i missing here? I could understand boring a 260 to 289.. though from what i hear that causes a whole bunch of trouble with heat in the block. > >For instance, my 260 has three freeze plugs per side: that mean > >according to the data books I have that it is a 289 block bored to 260. -- Regards Michael King From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Nov 28 17:16:09 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 289s bored to 260 References: Message-ID: <007801c8321d$0b43eb20$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Michael, The reference (regardless of how accurate) is to taking a raw (un-bored) block intended for a 289 bore and only machining the cylinders to the smaller diameter of the 260. Hope that helps. Tom From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Wed Nov 28 17:26:30 2007 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:26:30 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 168 Message-ID: Jim Armstrong wrote: > I recommend you get a metal gear, now the only one > available. Jim, et al: I replaced the timing gear set in my Tiger about 20 years ago with an "off-brand" set. I always wondered why the car didn't perform as well as it did before I changed it. About 8 years later, I made a cam change and I 'degreed' the engine using my 'almost new' off brand timing gears but I could not get the cam to reflect the cam grinder's numbers (Delta Camshaft). It turned out the keyways were cut randomly in the gears. Jerry at Delta recommended and sold me a Cloyes (name-brand) timing set and everything (finally) added-up. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From mrlau at charter.net Wed Nov 28 17:44:26 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:44:26 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds Message-ID: <20071129004328.QWHQ495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Any time iron of any kind is blasted ground sanded or welded, it is necessary to put an acid etch on the metal to make sure that paint will adhere and that there is no moisture in the metal. Any automotive paint store will have it. I always used Ditzler and liked it but all brands are going to be as good. It is mixed about 4 parts water to 1 acid if I remember correctly and a gallon of the acid is about $30 unless I am dating myself with a low price. It is fairly safe to your hands except it will dry them out and is best to use rubber gloves. If you don't dilute it and then use it on heavy rust, it does a really good job but quits when it dries. It has to be wet to work. It is possible to bead blast something and paint it 30 seconds later and still have rust form under the paint because the moisture can't be seen. If your Eastwood paint rusted through, this is what happened because moisture can't penetrate paint whether it is "set" or not. This all should have been in the instructions. When paint like this is heated in order to dry it, it becomes tougher than when air dried but it is only tougher to scuffing and not more rust proof. Remember the term baked on enamel. Same thing. Talk to your paint store because Eastwood is as mentioned -- expensive --. --Bill -- I did just what you did. I blasted by stock cast iron headers and then applied Eastwood header paint per the instructions. One year later it was rusting through the paint. I complained to Eastwood. They said my problem was that I did not heat the headers immediately after coating them. Why would I as I didn't have the the engine back in the car?. Eastwood said the coating requires high heat to set. The heat needs to be applied right away. Of course their instructions did not mention this fact. They refused to refund my money and basically said 'tough luck'. Will I ever buy an Eastwood product again? They are over priced and the same item can usually be found cheaper elsewhere. Not on your life. My advice is to have them coated. Or use a quality header paint from you nearest store I hear some have used Rustoleom BBQ paint. Dave From mrlau at charter.net Wed Nov 28 17:49:41 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:49:41 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FW: 289s bored to 260 Message-ID: <20071129004842.RXPD17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> At 03:24 PM 11/28/2007, Jim Armstrong wrote: >For instance, my 260 has three freeze plugs per side: that mean >according to the data books I have that it is a 289 block bored to 260. Oh my gosh, not that hogwash again! I thought that notion was dead and buried long ago! By "data books," you can only mean Chittenden's Performance Tuning book. Even the reprints still have that claim! I give up. I'm just too old now for more stuff about big men with sledge hammers, MK Is built with 289's, counting freeze plugs, etc....... Dick Would you believe little men with tiny brass hammers? Signed Maxwell Smart 86 From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Nov 28 18:11:23 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:11:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds Message-ID: I have here a can of Rust-Oleum high heat paint purchased at a store that sells wood stoves and cast iron BBQ grills. The instructions say it is good to 1200 degrees. The instructions are the same as normal Rust-Oleum paint...scrape or wire brush away the loose rust and then paint. I've used it, but not on engine parts and it seems to hold up pretty well. It's about $5-$6 for a 12oz can. M **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From jeffers at mwt.net Wed Nov 28 18:12:08 2007 From: jeffers at mwt.net (Jeffers) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:12:08 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock Message-ID: <474E11E8.8090305@mwt.net> Mark I cleaned and adjusted mine myself. The hardest part was getting the movement out of the case. Spray the movement with carb cleaner and let it dry. Using a toothpick or a needle put one drop of oil , like 3 in 1, on the shafts of only what moves. Too much oil will collect dust and cause it to stop working over time. Tom From bamcnulty at optonline.net Wed Nov 28 18:50:03 2007 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:50:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock References: <474E11E8.8090305@mwt.net> Message-ID: <004901c8322a$294b38f0$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Mark: If you can find it, fish oil is a really great lubricant -- it's light and will not clog up the works. I used to use it years ago on rotating microwave assembly bearings that had to be drag-free for proper high speed operation (back in the mechanical days c.a. 1965). Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffers" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger clock > Mark > I cleaned and adjusted mine myself. The hardest part was getting the > movement out of the case. Spray the movement with carb cleaner and let > it dry. Using a toothpick or a needle put one drop of oil , like 3 in > 1, on the shafts of only what moves. Too much oil will collect dust > and cause it to stop working over time. > Tom > _______________________________________________ > bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From prmnes at verizon.net Wed Nov 28 19:16:06 2007 From: prmnes at verizon.net (Paul Memont) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock In-Reply-To: <004901c8322a$294b38f0$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <474E11E8.8090305@mwt.net> <004901c8322a$294b38f0$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <474E20E6.9010701@verizon.net> Fish oil is available at any pet supply store. It helps make a dog's fur shiny and soft. Paul Tony McNulty wrote: > Mark: > > If you can find it, fish oil is a really great lubricant -- it's light and > will not clog up the works. I used to use it years ago on rotating > microwave assembly bearings that had to be drag-free for proper high speed > operation (back in the mechanical days c.a. 1965). > > Tony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger clock > > > >> Mark >> I cleaned and adjusted mine myself. The hardest part was getting the >> movement out of the case. Spray the movement with carb cleaner and let >> it dry. Using a toothpick or a needle put one drop of oil , like 3 in >> 1, on the shafts of only what moves. Too much oil will collect dust >> and cause it to stop working over time. >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> bamcnulty at optonline.net >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> > _______________________________________________ > prmnes at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Wed Nov 28 19:23:55 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:23:55 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] : tiger clock Message-ID: <20071129022256.UXTI495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Another good quality thin oil is the oil that is sold for pneumatic tools. It is inexpensive too. I use it on semi- auto pistols that can gum up in the cold and it works as well as anything I have ever seen. I haven't tried fish oil though and will check it out.-- Bill Mark: If you can find it, fish oil is a really great lubricant -- it's light and will not clog up the works. I used to use it years ago on rotating microwave assembly bearings that had to be drag-free for proper high speed operation (back in the mechanical days c.a. 1965). Tony > Mark > I cleaned and adjusted mine myself. The hardest part was getting the > movement out of the case. Spray the movement with carb cleaner and let > it dry. Using a toothpick or a needle put one drop of oil , like 3 in > 1, on the shafts of only what moves. Too much oil will collect dust > and cause it to stop working over time. > Tom From srwick at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 19:54:59 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:54:59 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Question on paint color Message-ID: I saw a statement in my Hagerty Insurance magazine that mentioned this company as being a source for factory paint colors for older cars. I went to their website and checked for Sunbeam, specifically code 58, Midnight Blue, but Sunbeam wasn't even listed. I emailed them and got this response, which I'm forwarding for the benefit of anyone here that might need it. Steve (in N.Id. and the car is stored for the winter) ----- Original Message ----- From: support autocolorlibrary To: steve wick Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: RE: Question on paint color Hello, We can match that color, we have a very extensive color library and we don't have everything online. When we produce original colors, we do not use offsets (colors selected that appear similar but lack the proper appearance in sunlight). We have a complete lab stocked with the correct toners and metallics to make the COLORS OF YESTERDAY come alive today. Colors are reproduced in our lab using original formulas and standards authentic to the era. Each color order receives a spray-out panel and is CERTIFIED by our LAB to be correct to standard. To order paint , please call : (858) 909-2150 Thanks, TCP Global support 6695 Rasha Street San Diego, Ca 92121 (858)-909-2110 From krugerr at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 20:32:52 2007 From: krugerr at sbcglobal.net (ROLF KRUGER) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:32:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Stop spamming me. I've enetered unsubscribe and im still getting these emails. Stop! Message-ID: <20071129033325.C7EDF187A6B@autox.team.net> From krugerr at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 20:33:08 2007 From: krugerr at sbcglobal.net (ROLF KRUGER) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:33:08 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 169 Message-ID: <20071129033342.22511187AD0@autox.team.net> stop -----Original Message----- From: tigers-request at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:55 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 169 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 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Fw: Question on paint color (steve wick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:53:22 EST From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds To: garywinblad at comcast.net, Rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you have a store in your area that sells wood stoves they will have heat resistant paint in 5 or 6 colors. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. 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Fw: Question on paint color (steve wick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:53:22 EST From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds To: garywinblad at comcast.net, Rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you have a store in your area that sells wood stoves they will have heat resistant paint in 5 or 6 colors. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:59:33 -0800 From: Dick Barker Subject: [Tigers] 289s bored to 260 To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Your unsubscribe function does not work. Stop emailling me -----Original Message----- From: tigers-request at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:55 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 169 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds (CoolVT at aol.com) 2. 289s bored to 260 (Dick Barker) 3. Re: 289s bored to 260 (michael king) 4. Re: 289s bored to 260 (Thomas Witt) 5. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 168 (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) 6. exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds (William Lau) 7. FW: 289s bored to 260 (William Lau) 8. Re: exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds (CoolVT at aol.com) 9. Re: tiger clock (Jeffers) 10. Re: tiger clock (Tony McNulty) 11. Re: tiger clock (Paul Memont) 12. : tiger clock (William Lau) 13. Fw: Question on paint color (steve wick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:53:22 EST From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds To: garywinblad at comcast.net, Rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you have a store in your area that sells wood stoves they will have heat resistant paint in 5 or 6 colors. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:59:33 -0800 From: Dick Barker Subject: [Tigers] 289s bored to 260 To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Stop sending me emails -----Original Message----- From: tigers-request at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:55 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 169 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 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Fw: Question on paint color (steve wick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:53:22 EST From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] exhaust dressing for original exhaust manifolds To: garywinblad at comcast.net, Rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you have a store in your area that sells wood stoves they will have heat resistant paint in 5 or 6 colors. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:59:33 -0800 From: Dick Barker Subject: [Tigers] 289s bored to 260 To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: References: <20071129033517.A1B30187AA9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <474E41A2.5030508@shaw.ca> Hi Rolf, Here's how you do it: First, go back to the last email you got from the list manager that had the subject "autox.team.net mailing list membership reminder", and read it to find out your password. Then, go to this page: and enter that password in the box labeled Password: Then click on the link that says "Unsubscribe" and you're done. Best regards, Theo From jhmearsrn at aol.com Thu Nov 29 02:07:40 2007 From: jhmearsrn at aol.com (jhmearsrn at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:07:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] smiths clock repair Message-ID: <8CA007E6DB1DBEB-104C-2B4E@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> Check out Mike Eck at www.jaguarclock.com He does a good job. John ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 From Rollright at aol.com Thu Nov 29 06:03:57 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:03:57 EST Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust dressing Message-ID: Thanks Ron Very very informative Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From rjw at wengco.com Thu Nov 29 06:13:57 2007 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:13:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Reverse lockout Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566D78F@weco1.wengco.com> Does anyone know where I might find a reverse lockout tee handle for the original shifter? Thanks Bob From un-cole-a at juno.com Thu Nov 29 07:47:59 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:47:59 GMT Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock Message-ID: <20071129.094759.9716.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> If memories serve me right, WD40 is made with fish oil. The story goes that the military was trying to find something they could be wiped on the nuke missiles that would keep them from rusting while they were in the launch tubes. WD40 is one of the formulas they came up with. I have the story somewhere I will have to dig it up. Tim B9470149 From chris at cthompson.net Thu Nov 29 07:57:13 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:57:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock In-Reply-To: <20071129.094759.9716.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071129.094759.9716.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <474ED349.2040802@cthompson.net> According to Wikipedia, the fish-oil is a myth, but the rest is right. Looks like it's mostly a mix of mineral oil and mineral spirits...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40 Chris B382000331 un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > If memories serve me right, WD40 is made with fish oil. > The story goes that the military was trying to find something they could be > wiped on the nuke missiles that would keep them from rusting while they were > in the launch tubes. > > WD40 is one of the formulas they came up with. I have the story somewhere I > will have to dig it up. > > Tim > B9470149 From marcsmall at comcast.net Thu Nov 29 08:03:23 2007 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:03:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] WD-40 In-Reply-To: <20071129.094759.9716.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071129.094759.9716.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20071129150836.26BA6187A72@autox.team.net> At 09:47 AM 11/29/2007, un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: >If memories serve me right, WD40 is made with fish oil. >The story goes that the military was trying to find something they could be >wiped on the nuke missiles that would keep them from rusting while they were >in the launch tubes. > >WD40 is one of the formulas they came up with. I have the story somewhere I >will have to dig it up. > Close, but no cigar: see the Wikipedia article for the full story. There is no fish oil in WD-40. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From chris at cthompson.net Thu Nov 29 08:18:12 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:18:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] WD-40 In-Reply-To: <20071129150836.26BA6187A72@autox.team.net> References: <20071129.094759.9716.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <20071129150836.26BA6187A72@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <474ED834.3080503@cthompson.net> Don't rule it out - I don't think fish oil is reportable on an MSDS. It could be part of that 10% "Inert ingredients". It ain't mineral oil and spirits that give WD-40 that lovely "bouquet"......they say "Although it is unknown whether the formula contains fish oil...." > > > > Close, but no cigar: see the Wikipedia article > for the full story. There is no fish oil in WD-40. > > Marc From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Nov 29 08:28:17 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:28:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] WD-40 Message-ID: <112920071528.29609.474EDA91000C5EEF000073A92200734076020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> IIRC, I think the fish oil story is about Rustoleum. Some guys noticed that metal near where they cut up the fish wasn't rusting like the metal on the rest of the boat, or some story like that. Stu From awtiger at cox.net Thu Nov 29 08:36:42 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:36:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SAAC goings on In-Reply-To: <112920071528.29609.474EDA91000C5EEF000073A92200734076020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20071129103643.4RJK0.45786.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> Hey, guys... Have any of you all been keeping up with all the crap that's going on between "SAAC" and "Team Shelby?" It's begining to look as though things will no longer continue as we have known them. Does anybody have any input on this? Just wondering what you all think about it, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From mrlau at charter.net Thu Nov 29 09:02:55 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:02:55 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FW: WD-40 Message-ID: <20071129160156.PFIE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Whatever WD40 contains, I would never trust it so keep rust back because I have mistakenly done that before. It disappears after a short time and rust shows up. -- Bill -- Don't rule it out - I don't think fish oil is reportable on an MSDS. It could be part of that 10% "Inert ingredients". It ain't mineral oil and spirits that give WD-40 that lovely "bouquet"......they say "Although it is unknown whether the formula contains fish oil...." > > > > Close, but no cigar: see the Wikipedia article > for the full story. There is no fish oil in WD-40. > > Marc From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Nov 29 09:03:57 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:03:57 EST Subject: [Tigers] Gas Tank Removal Message-ID: Winter project to go through last fluid system in the car that I have not completely done. I searched the archives and found one article on gas tank removal. I'd like to pull the tanks this winter and clean them and run new lines up to the engine. Any pics, tips, or ideas would be appreciated. Thanks......cheers Phil. From Carmods at aol.com Thu Nov 29 09:16:42 2007 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:16:42 EST Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock Message-ID: Is reference to clock oil WD-40 would be a poor clock oil. It evaporates in a short period of time. It's main quality is moisture absorption. I have been using Mobil 1 transmission oil. It seems to work well and a quart can oils a lot of clocks. John Logan **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Nov 29 09:21:12 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:21:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Wouldn't that get pretty gummy in cold weather? I thought the usual recommendation for that kind of mechanism was light sewing machine oil, or Labelle 105/106, which is available at any good model train store. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com Sent: November 29, 2007 9:17 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger clock Is reference to clock oil WD-40 would be a poor clock oil. It evaporates in a short period of time. It's main quality is moisture absorption. I have been using Mobil 1 transmission oil. It seems to work well and a quart can oils a lot of clocks. John Logan From pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com Thu Nov 29 09:25:51 2007 From: pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com (Peter Stanisavljevich) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE262501E553DD@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> Back in the day, that would be the Boy Scout Pinewood Racer days, NyOil was the stuff of legend for making those little cars run downhill faster. If still around, I bet it would work great on a clock too. Peter S. B9471799 Nortons, BMW's and Triumphs (Oh My!) Eagle Scout "Wouldn't that get pretty gummy in cold weather? I thought the usual recommendation for that kind of mechanism was light sewing machine oil, or Labelle 105/106, which is available at any good model train store." From ASugar at hwageo.com Thu Nov 29 09:28:11 2007 From: ASugar at hwageo.com (Arnie Sugar) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:28:11 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Reverse lockout Message-ID: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A353C32A1@darcy.hwa.local> Bob, Try Toploader Heaven www.toploaderhevaen.com Also David Kee http://www.4speedtoploaders.com I don't see just the bar on the websites, but they may have some. A better option may be to find (Fleabay?) and cannibalize a long Ford shifter (mid-late 60's Mustang, Fairlane, or Galaxy). Arnie --------------------------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:13:57 -0500 From: "Robert J. Wanty" Subject: [Tigers] Reverse lockout To: "tigers" Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566D78F at weco1.wengco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know where I might find a reverse lockout tee handle for the original shifter? Thanks Bob From modtiger at comcast.net Thu Nov 29 09:38:41 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:38:41 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Reverse lockout In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566D78F@weco1.wengco.com> References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566D78F@weco1.wengco.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071129083634.024cb0b0@comcast.net> At 05:13 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I might find a reverse lockout tee handle for the >original shifter? > >Thanks > >Bob Yeah, I stock them to create the shifters for my T5 five speed conversion kits. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From mtjoy at telis.org Thu Nov 29 09:40:56 2007 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:40:56 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] FW: 289s bored to 260 Message-ID: <008001c832a6$9ddd8700$1db90c45@computer> How 'bout the Boss 302 block bored to 260? (Actually sleeved and bored.) 4-bolt main 260 ! Hmmm... Darrell From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Nov 29 10:32:22 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:32:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SAAC goings on Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I hadn't but after a cursory examination it looks like it's going to (again?) cause a lot of division between the different Shelby-marque groups. Hypothetically speaking the same could happen within the Sunbeam community if someone tries (again) to use any of the Sunbeam marques to promote a new line of products, and especially if they seek trademark registration in order to limit the way others use those marques. We had the situation a couple of years ago with that guy marketing that South American car and a lite-SUV as a Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine, respectively. There was also some discussion about the motivations behind TigersUnited.com back when Steve first put it together... A lot of "we don't need an umbrella organization" etc. I'm not trying to flog a dead horse by dragging this up, but just trying to point out that we are not necessarily far from being put in the same position as where the Shelby guys are right now. The last Sunbeam Tiger trademark battle was fought with the assistance of a lot of Tigers mailing list and Tiger club members who contributed donations to support some court filings, and hopefully any future incidents will be met with the same kind of solidarity from the Tiger community. Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Nov 29 10:50:55 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:50:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: 289s bored to 260 Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> That would be the way to go if you were forced to stay with the original displacement for rules reasons, but were still allowed to do enough other stuff to develop the kind of power levels (or get the longevity required) to warrant the 4-bolt main block. You could pair it up with something like the Scat featherlight billet crank. From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Thu Nov 29 11:49:23 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Fish Oil Message-ID: I was having problems with my VDO clock. Someone suggested I should go to a grandfather clock repair place and buy some of their little bottles of oil. So, I did. The clock started right up and hasn't stopped yet. This was years ago. That said, I do have to admit that I did learn what that oil was when I bought it: whale oil! So, choose how politically incorrect you want to be. I didn't even know you could buy it. Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. 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Ahab :>) -----Original Message----- Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:49 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Fish Oil I was having problems with my VDO clock. Someone suggested I should go to a grandfather clock repair place and buy some of their little bottles of oil. So, I did. The clock started right up and hasn't stopped yet. This was years ago. That said, I do have to admit that I did learn what that oil was when I bought it: whale oil! So, choose how politically incorrect you want to be. I didn't even know you could buy it. Jay From ASugar at hwageo.com Thu Nov 29 12:21:14 2007 From: ASugar at hwageo.com (Arnie Sugar) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:21:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Reverse lockout Message-ID: <6E12BFA16CBA6C4E997F58F65A461A353C32BC@darcy.hwa.local> Sorry Tom, shoulda thought of you. Dreaming about a 5th gear someday, Arnie --------------------------- At 05:13 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I might find a reverse lockout tee handle for the >original shifter? > >Thanks > >Bob Yeah, I stock them to create the shifters for my T5 five speed conversion kits. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From awtiger at cox.net Thu Nov 29 12:29:39 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:29:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SAAC goings on In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <20071129142939.XHLEO.153825.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> For those of you who are interested, you may do some additional reading on the subject at the following url's: http://www.saac.com/press_release_112507.htm http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=21 http://www.midamericafordmeet.com/ >From 1982 to 1994, I served on the Board of Directors of the Oklahoma Region of SAAC. We grew the Mid-America Shelby Meet into the only Ford-Performance event in the country that rivaled the yearly SAAC National Convention. I can remember that, for whatever reason, there seemed to be a lot of bad blood between the Oklahoma Region and SAAC National HQ and it seemed to turn it into an "us against them" type of deal. Now, with all the legal wranglings going on between Carroll Shelby and SAAC, I'm not at all surprised that he has chosen the Mid-America event as Team Shelby's inaugural national convention. We always had a good working relationship with Carroll and others who were instrumental in the formation and growth of SAAC over the years. During my "Shelby Club" years, I had various Tigers, a '67 G.T. 350 and a '65 G.T. 350. I have since sold both Shelbys but still have what I consider to be a pretty nice Tiger. What I am now a little concerned with in all of this is how Team Shelby will treat Tiger owners. Well known, of course, is the story of the Shelby/Tiger connection. Equally well known is that SAAC included Tigers as a recognized Shelby vehicle in the club because of that connection. One must admit, however, that SAAC's involvement in the Tiger world over the years has been very light. No records are kept by them on Tigers (we have Norm to do that...and I think we'd all agree on what a great job he does...), while they have closely guarded Shelby and Cobra records over the years. Now, with SAAC going out of the picture, I think the inclusion of Tigers in with the other Shelby vehicles at Team Shelby events could be in question, given their admittedly "thin" ties to Shelby American (comparatively speaking, of course...). I may be way off here, but I think that anyone out there who is interested in maintaining any kind of a participatory relationship with a local or national Shelby organization (read "Team Shelby") might want to e-mail Team Shelby and inquire as to their intentions when it comes to Tigers. I would hate to see the history of our cars and their ties with Shelby American (which we have always traded on in the past) be cut by Shelby's new organization just because they were not produced at Shelby's facility. I apologize if it sounds like I'm being a bit of an alarmist here, but I've been very close to the situation for years and I could see this easily happening. I'd sure be interested to read another perspective on this...anybody wanna take the ball and run with it? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From mrlau at charter.net Thu Nov 29 13:32:13 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:32:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Fish Oil Message-ID: <20071129203114.JJX495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> You are right. Whale oil should go on a Nash Metropolitan. -- Bill -- Ahoy mates, 'taint TEAE concours official unless thy oil be from the mighty tiger shark.... Ahab :>) -----Original Message----- Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:49 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Fish Oil I was having problems with my VDO clock. Someone suggested I should go to a grandfather clock repair place and buy some of their little bottles of oil. So, I did. The clock started right up and hasn't stopped yet. This was years ago. That said, I do have to admit that I did learn what that oil was when I bought it: whale oil! So, choose how politically incorrect you want to be. I didn't even know you could buy it. Jay From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Nov 29 14:28:22 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:28:22 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Fish Oil In-Reply-To: <20071129203114.JJX495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20071129203114.JJX495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <000f01c832ce$c510e650$64f3c04a@jerry> The only thing I think WD-40 is good for is to cool a drill bit when drilling or tool when machining on my lathe. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:32 PM To: Tigers at Autox. Team. Net Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Fish Oil You are right. Whale oil should go on a Nash Metropolitan. -- Bill -- Ahoy mates, 'taint TEAE concours official unless thy oil be from the mighty tiger shark.... Ahab :>) -----Original Message----- Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:49 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Fish Oil I was having problems with my VDO clock. Someone suggested I should go to a grandfather clock repair place and buy some of their little bottles of oil. So, I did. The clock started right up and hasn't stopped yet. This was years ago. That said, I do have to admit that I did learn what that oil was when I bought it: whale oil! So, choose how politically incorrect you want to be. I didn't even know you could buy it. Jay _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From rootes1 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 15:54:53 2007 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:54:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY PLATE Message-ID: Anyone care to offer an opinion on which state issued this plate? http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/special-help/art-plate.tif ncm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1159 - Release Date: 11/29/2007 11:10 AM From tigerlat70 at comcast.net Thu Nov 29 19:15:38 2007 From: tigerlat70 at comcast.net (Steve Coleman) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:15:38 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hot Rod Mag top 100 hotrods Message-ID: <004a01c832f6$e6706b90$46cac647@stevesdell> I know this isn't related to Tigers but the current issue has a top 1oo list, you can read and agree and disagree, I disagree with number 1 the top 10 is interesting Best Regards, Steve From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 20:57:01 2007 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:57:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger clock In-Reply-To: <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE262501E553DD@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE262501E553DD@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> Message-ID: I used powdered graphite on my Pinewood Derby racer axels. Won the event two years running. Keep on Tigering! -- Jim Sencindiver (Eagle Scout, too) On Nov 29, 2007 11:25 AM, Peter Stanisavljevich < pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com> wrote: > Back in the day, that would be the Boy Scout Pinewood Racer days, NyOil > was the stuff of legend for making those little cars run downhill > faster. If still around, I bet it would work great on a clock too. > > Peter S. > > B9471799 > Nortons, BMW's and Triumphs (Oh My!) > Eagle Scout > > > "Wouldn't that get pretty gummy in cold weather? I thought the usual > recommendation for that kind of mechanism was light sewing machine oil, > or Labelle 105/106, which is available at any good model train store." > _______________________________________________ From Landcmitch at aol.com Thu Nov 29 23:30:53 2007 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:30:53 EST Subject: [Tigers] Joining the List Message-ID: How does one get on the list? I've had inquiries but can't come up with the answer, although I know it's out there.... Charlie **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From twojohnsons at cox.net Fri Nov 30 06:14:02 2007 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:14:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) Message-ID: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> I recently got a photo in the mail from the Providence Police Department showing me, top down, running a red light. Along with it came a ticket for $60. I realize our capitol city is in dire need of funds to educate all those children of the illegals, and I love to help ,but this automated justice seems unfair & just pisses me off. I recall reading about a plastic licence plate frame lens that obscures the numbers for photos. Does anyone have any info on where to get one of these? From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Nov 30 06:16:24 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:16:24 EST Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) Message-ID: You got off cheap. In my area it's $150 + 3 points on your license...which means you could get wacked by your insurance company. M **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Fri Nov 30 06:26:31 2007 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence [sic] Plate Frames (Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: <000901c83354$9efe8950$6601a8c0@T60> Glad you asked. If a tree falls in the woods............................................ Did ya get to run over anybody in the intersection? No? Maybe next time. Try Krylon black spray paint. -----Original Message----- I recently got a photo...showing me...running a red light. $60 ....automated justice seems unfair & just pisses me off. .............Does anyone have any info........? _______________________________________________ jparent4 at tampabay.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From jimboynton at comcast.net Fri Nov 30 06:32:44 2007 From: jimboynton at comcast.net (Jim Boynton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] TV show "mythbusters" on blocking speed cameras Message-ID: <20071130133336.91C921879F4@autox.team.net> Sub Myth 2: Plate Blockers It is possible to obscure your license plate from a speed camera without obscuring it to regular vision. The Action/Results: They test 5 things that are supposed to keep a speed camera from getting a clear picture of your license plate. Two are DIY: clear plastic wrap and hairspray. The other three are commercial products: "blocking spray", a plastic plate cover with microcrystals to reflect the flash, and another plate cover with a plastic lens to distort the license number. Adam sets up a scale test in the shop, using his digital camera and flash. The only product that does anything is the plastic lens, but there is still enough of the license number clearly visible for a database search. The test is then repeated out at Alameda. Once again, the lens blurs out part of the license number, but not enough to do any good. The other products don't do anything. Myth BUSTED. From Carmods at aol.com Fri Nov 30 06:55:21 2007 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:55:21 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clock Oil Message-ID: I should clarify my earlier statement " I have been using Mobil 1 transmission oil. It seems to work well and a quart can oils a lot of clocks." It should read, I have been using Mobil 1 automatic transmission oil. AT oil is about the consistency of light sewing machine oil. It may not be good for your jeweled Rolex. John Logan **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From modtiger at comcast.net Fri Nov 30 07:08:02 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:08:02 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> References: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071130055039.026789e8@comcast.net> At 05:14 AM 11/30/2007, you wrote: >I recently got a photo in the mail from the Providence Police Department >showing me, top down, running a red light. Along with it came a ticket for >$60. >I realize our capitol city is in dire need of funds to educate all those >children of the illegals, and I love to help ,but this automated justice seems >unfair & just pisses me off. > I recall reading about a plastic licence plate frame lens that obscures >the numbers for photos. Does anyone have any info on where to get one of >these? The west coast TV show called Mythbusters did series on most of the common ways to defeat the traffic cameras. None of the methods was able to fool the technology of the camera manufacturers that have invested heavily in getting clear numbers and letters on your license plate. Remember, they share in the revenue, so they try harder. In Australia, they have speed cameras in unmarked cars parked along the road. Some drivers have gone on a trip and come home to several tickets in the mail and lost their drivers license. Count your blessings and drive safely. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Nov 30 07:36:18 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Joining the List Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I think the same procedure still applies: send an email to majordomo at autox.team.net with the words "sub$cribe tigers" in the body of the email (not in the subject). The proper word doesn't have the $ symbol, it has an 's'... The list server used to refuse emails that had any one of several magic words in the body. You will get a confirmation email sent to the address from which you sent that email. Once you have a subscription, though, you can only manage it using the 'mailman' interface (link at the bottom of any list posting). Theo From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Nov 30 07:56:27 2007 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:56:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Formula D Message-ID: I have been recently exposed to a new motorsport call Formula D, or Drifting. This involves competition to see how long you can keep your car sideways and tires smoking through a set of curves. You are judged on style, drift time, quantity of smoke, and crowd reaction. In other words, much like the X Games, the rules are pretty much inscrutable to us old racer types . However, I think this might be an excellent venue for our Tigers, seeing as how we work so hard NOT to keep them from getting tail-out sideways in the turns. I suggest we should discuss including this activity as part of our United autocrosses. :>) Do a Google on "drifting", you'll be surprised. The tire companies must love it. http://formulad.com/ Bugz From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 08:03:17 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) References: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: I had one of those license plate covers a few years ago, the one I had was like a distorting polarizing filter that basically allowed you to read one side of the plate from the left side and the other side from the right, and if you were dead center you could read the whole thing. I was never sure if it was effective (read the mythbuster comments others made) but it cost about $2, so I wasn't too worried, but my state made them all illegal to have anything that tried to obscure your license plate. Most of those automated speeding tickets and automated red light tickets are about revenue generation, and tend to be much easier to challenge in court. For instance, in my state, I believe the red light law reads "No part of your car may enter the intersection after the light turns read" Which means if you were fully in the intersection before the light turned red (like waiting for a left hand turn), and you shouldn't get a ticket for being in the middle of the intersection when the light turns red. I believe also in my state, an automated red light ticket isn't even technically a traffic ticket since I don't think they are allowed to access points for those tickets, its legal definition is something closer to a parking ticket. If the ticket you got in your state is not a traffic ticket (ie your insurance won;t go up because of it) and the cost is $60 you are probably better off just paying it (which is what they hope you will do). If you want to fight it, there are several strategies that I read about that are particular for the automated tickets, including one which is just to never acknowledge getting the ticket, and never pick up a certified letter from the automation company if they decide to eventually send one. Basically at that point, they would legally have to pay someone to serve you the paperwork, and that would cost more than the ticket. I frankly would be too chicken to try that route. But here is an org that will rent you the information that will fight a ticket with ton of information for your state. http://www.motorists.org/fightticket/ Of course your other option is to build the rolling license plate like one of the early James Bond cars has :-) I saw in an interview that the rolling license plate number on the car was the idea of the director of that film, since he was notorious for getting speeding tickets and parking tickets around London. Hope that helps. Steve >I recently got a photo in the mail from the Providence Police Department > showing me, top down, running a red light. Along with it came a ticket for > $60. > I realize our capitol city is in dire need of funds to educate all those > children of the illegals, and I love to help ,but this automated justice > seems > unfair & just pisses me off. > I recall reading about a plastic licence plate frame lens that obscures > the numbers for photos. Does anyone have any info on where to get one of > these? From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Nov 30 08:42:19 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:42:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Joining the List In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609F9E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <47502F5B.2080100@mayfco.com> I'm sorry, but that wont work any more. SInce the ISP debacle Mark has switched to use "mailman" software rather than the "majordomo" version we had for so long. The url is at the bottom of every email. Simply click on it and you are connected tot he server to input your name and pass word. Here is the url (again) http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers mayf Smit, Theo wrote: >I think the same procedure still applies: send an email to >majordomo at autox.team.net with the words "sub$cribe tigers" in the body >of the email (not in the subject). >The proper word doesn't have the $ symbol, it has an 's'... The list >server used to refuse emails that had any one of several magic words in >the body. You will get a confirmation email sent to the address from >which you sent that email. > >Once you have a subscription, though, you can only manage it using the >'mailman' interface (link at the bottom of any list posting). > >Theo >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From rootes1 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 30 09:07:00 2007 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:07:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY PLATE ID'd Message-ID: Thanks to several list members the mystery plate has been outed. It's from Ohio. Now working on trying to ID the chassis number for the car. ncm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1159 - Release Date: 11/29/2007 11:10 AM From un-cole-a at juno.com Fri Nov 30 09:50:59 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:50:59 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) Message-ID: <20071130.115059.29387.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Myth Busters did a show on products that were suppose to block the plate when a camera took the picture. Myth busted, not one of the product did what it was suppose to do. From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Nov 30 10:13:43 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:13:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) References: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: <007101c83374$5c8e1f20$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> A properly hinged plate and a solenoid would do wonders to putting the plate in the horizontal position. If asked just stated that it's there to prevent damage to the plate when entering driveway aprons. Then smile and say, "that way the plate won't be damaged and unreadable should I get caught by a red light camera." :-) I am in no way way advocating unsafe driving. However there are lights in my area (55 MPH road with 6 traffic lights over the course of a mile) where the instant they turn yellow you have two options: 1. Slam on the brakes hoping your car's braking distance is optimal, AND that the guy behind you is faster and more efficient in braking. or 2. Hit the gas and hope your horsepower actually become a safety factor. Once you get the front proto-type built you can work on the back, because I here they can have cameras from both sides now (which could make a tailgater your friend). Well..., that is unless the tailgater doesn't meet the criteria of point #1 above. Tom From mrlau at charter.net Fri Nov 30 10:29:18 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:29:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) Message-ID: <20071130172820.ICDR17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> If the law is cheating like this get a movie camera and turn it over to a news crew. That was done by an old man that had a lot of time here in the St. Louis area. The result was that they had to refund all money that was incurred through a class action suit. Lawyers got a third but it straightened out a bunch of small municipalities. People doing this kind of stuff have gotten speed limits increased in certain areas also. Otherwise just don't go through red lights, it isn't that hard. -- Bill -- A properly hinged plate and a solenoid would do wonders to putting the plate in the horizontal position. If asked just stated that it's there to prevent damage to the plate when entering driveway aprons. Then smile and say, "that way the plate won't be damaged and unreadable should I get caught by a red light camera." :-) I am in no way way advocating unsafe driving. However there are lights in my area (55 MPH road with 6 traffic lights over the course of a mile) where the instant they turn yellow you have two options: 1. Slam on the brakes hoping your car's braking distance is optimal, AND that the guy behind you is faster and more efficient in braking. or 2. Hit the gas and hope your horsepower actually become a safety factor. Once you get the front proto-type built you can work on the back, because I here they can have cameras from both sides now (which could make a tailgater your friend). Well..., that is unless the tailgater doesn't meet the criteria of point #1 above. Tom _______________________________________________ From un-cole-a at juno.com Fri Nov 30 12:13:03 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:13:03 GMT Subject: [Tigers] SAAC goings on Message-ID: <20071130.141303.17849.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> How much of this is really going to hurt us? Shelby is looking for two things: 1) Money, 2) Control. We have been the orphans for a long time and it's not going to change. Shelby found a way to put the engine in the Alpine, that is it. He did not design the car or produce the car. Yes it is nice to have "BIG" club recognition status but we have some very nice small Tiger and Alpine clubs that are doing just fine without Shelby. This Tiger list for one has been the biggest help to me, and guess what? No Shelby. Who needs Shelby when we have Norm! I'm sure there are some benefits of being associated with Shelby but as far as I'm concerned, I don't really care. I'm still going to put my pants on the same way and drive my Tiger and Alpine the same way. My 2 cents Tim B9470149 From Rollright at aol.com Fri Nov 30 13:31:44 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:31:44 EST Subject: [Tigers] new power for mustang Message-ID: This guy said a Ford V10 from Explorer isn't enough torque.... _http://www.mustangblog.com/index.php/2007/70-mustang-with-1100-ci-sherman-tan k-engine/_ (http://www.mustangblog.com/index.php/2007/70-mustang-with-1100-ci-sherman-tank-engine/) Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Nov 30 13:39:04 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:39:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] new power for mustang Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609FA8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Well it's definitely going to have the Hot Wheels monster-motor look. Needs zoomies. And a blower. Theo From Rollright at aol.com Fri Nov 30 13:44:57 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:44:57 EST Subject: [Tigers] new power for mustang Message-ID: Is there anything bigger than a GMC 6-71 blower? He does need it. It lack height................... Jim Armstrong Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Nov 30 14:00:06 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:00:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] new power for mustang Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609FA9@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Roots supercharger case sizes go up to 16-71... although GMC didn't ever make that size. http://www.racecarbook.com/articles/superchargers.shtml ________________________________ From: Rollright at aol.com [mailto:Rollright at aol.com] Sent: November 30, 2007 1:45 PM To: Smit, Theo Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] new power for mustang Is there anything bigger than a GMC 6-71 blower? He does need it. It lack height................... Jim Armstrong Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ________________________________ Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. From gswaybright at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 15:43:17 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:43:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] was Licence Plate covers, now traffic law abuse (Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <20071130172820.ICDR17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <750748.84604.qm@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Up on my soapbox... I'm the first to admit that I drive on the more agressive (not reckless) end of the spectrum, but I also drive at the extreme of driver attentiveness, have a ton of experience on track driving at high speeds, at the cars limits, and I'm equally agressive about risk avoidance and proper caution, consistent with conditions. Poorly timed traffic lights with camera enforcement are one of the more offensive revenue generators being supported in the name of safety. Generally, stop light cameras do not improve accident rates, properly engineered intersections with optimal light timing does. Sadly, once there's a camera in place, it is not financially advisable to optimize light timing to minimize offenses (and thus potential accidents). The concept of stop light cameras is merely an easy thing to sell politically and financially. If interested in these kind of issues, see more @ http://www.motorists.org/ Now... back off my soapbox and watching the snow fall, knowing the Tiger is now stuck in the garage for 4 or 5 months. :( Stephen Waybright From gswaybright at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 15:56:21 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:56:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] SAAC goings on In-Reply-To: <20071130.141303.17849.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <101076.76983.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't see how Shelby or Team Shelby is going to win much favor by screwing over the most prominent enthusiast group for Shelby autos of the past few decades. Seems like they should have worked with SAAC instead of against them... I of course assume they didn't try. If they did and SAAC turned a deaf ear, then that's a shame as well. From Drmoonstone at aol.com Fri Nov 30 16:18:04 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:18:04 EST Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0_Obscure_Licence_Plate_Frames_=28Off_T?= =?iso-8859-1?q?opic=29?= Message-ID: Some older American made cars had license plate holders that had to be pulled down to access the filler next. Go to a wrecking yard and find one and rig it up in the front (Manual or solenoid operated) It worked for me in Fresno. Moonstone ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Nov 30 17:00:26 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:00:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SAAC goings on Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609FAC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Based on reading the SAAC news release, the letter from Shelby's lawyer, and the Team Shelby stuff (and not knowing anything else about the situation) it appears to me that there are some significant egos butting heads here. However, it also looks like Rick Kopec put himself (and SAAC by extension) in a position where they didn't legally own or share in any of the rights to the historical data or even the data that they've collected over the last decade or more. Kopec should have had a lawyer review his licensing agreements with Shelby before they were signed... Theo From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Nov 30 17:31:57 2007 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:31:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> References: <001201c83352$e0a90fd0$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: <4750AB7D.1050908@SoCal.rr.com> Alvin, I know that so-called obscuring covers and sprays do not work from tales of those who tried. But, nobody seems to have reported on the best method of avoiding a ticket - Don't Break The Law. Who knows what uses the Court Systems make of the substantial violations generated monies. Perhaps even supporting your favorite illegal actions. Let us know how your day in court goes. (;-) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Alvin Johnson wrote: >I recently got a photo in the mail from the Providence Police Department >showing me, top down, running a red light. Along with it came a ticket for >$60. >I realize our capitol city is in dire need of funds to educate all those >children of the illegals, and I love to help ,but this automated justice seems >unfair & just pisses me off. > I recall reading about a plastic licence plate frame lens that obscures >the numbers for photos. Does anyone have any info on where to get one of >these? >_______________________________________________ >slaifman at socal.rr.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From srwick at hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 17:37:45 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:37:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0_Obscure_Licence_Plate_Frames_=28Off_T?= =?iso-8859-1?q?opic=29?= References: Message-ID: My '69 Fairlane has just such a license plate holder. '68 is the same. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Drmoonstone at aol.com To: mrlau at charter.net ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Obscure Licence Plate Frames (Off Topic) Some older American made cars had license plate holders that had to be pulled down to access the filler next. Go to a wrecking yard and find one and rig it up in the front (Manual or solenoid operated) It worked for me in Fresno. Moonstone ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Fri Nov 30 18:47:21 2007 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:47:21 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Tiger Message-ID: <4750BD29.50607@cox.net> Hi All: Just got my January 08 copy of Classic Motorsports. Don't know if it's included with the ones sold at the newsstands, but there's an '08 calender with the Hollywood Tiger for December. Makes next December something to look forward to--grin. Best Regards David Sosna Tigerless but still lurking From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Fri Nov 30 19:04:11 2007 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Obscure Licence [sic] Plate Frames (Off Topic) Message-ID: <000101c833be$77630500$6601a8c0@T60> -----Original Message----- From: Alvin Johnson [mailto:twojohnsons at cox.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:22 PM To: Jim Parent Subject: Re: [Tigers] Obscure Licence [sic] Plate Frames (Off Topic) Up yours, Jimbo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Parent" To: "'Tiger List'" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Obscure Licence [sic] Plate Frames (Off Topic) > Glad you asked. > > If a tree falls in the woods............................................ > > > Did ya get to run over anybody in the intersection? > > No? > > Maybe next time. > > Try Krylon black spray paint. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > I recently got a photo...showing me...running a red light. $60 > > ....automated justice seems unfair & just pisses me off. > > .............Does anyone have any info........? > _______________________________________________ > jparent4 at tampabay.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > _______________________________________________ > twojohnsons at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 30 20:55:23 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:55:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Toploader Overdrive Message-ID: <001701c833ce$00036080$6501a8c0@your03667082de> "Sorry Tom, shoulda thought of you. Dreaming about a 5th gear someday," If you have the bucks ( $2700) there is an alternative to a 5 speed gearbox. A Toploader overdrive: http://www.gearvendors.com/hrford4sm.html. You replace the tailshaft with this unit, shorten the drive shaft, and away you go. Its all electronic and gives you clutchless shifting at the dragstrip. Jeff