From Rollright at aol.com Mon Jul 2 08:41:50 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:41:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Pictures from Grant's Pass Message-ID: Hello from the right coast, What an amazing group of Tigers you left coast guys had at Grant's Pass! Thanks, Norm, for all the very well done photos. A terrific range of stock to modified Tigers. What a beautiful red Mk 11. As accurate as they get. Everyone on the list serve should got through these photos Norm Miller put together. What a range of cars.................................................. http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/tuxxx/TUXXX-2007-GRANTS-PASS/index.html My only sadness is that there are no captions (what a job that would be ! ) to let us in the east connect the cars to the names we see on this list and the faces in the second half of all these great pictures. Though most of us will never meet, I tell all car guys I talk to, about the Tiger list serve and the friendly, helpful and incredibly knowledgeable people that populate this community. You are great and it is an honor to know you all. Jim Armstrong rollright at aol.com Mk1A #382002083 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tbrown at midcoast.com Mon Jul 2 18:12:47 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Grant's Pass Photos Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070702200226.00ef96c0@midcoast.com> I can only echo Jim Armstrong's thoughts about the photos of all those cars! For one who is also a right coaster (some would say right field up here in Maine) it is amazing to realize so many Tigers actually exist. Last summer my wife and I hosted a small get-together of about six Tigers and an Alpine or two. Several of the cars came from out of state (from away, we say in Maine) since I doubt there are that many Tigers in our state. My Tiger sat in my garage for many years, partly disassembled, due to my lack of time and resources to complete its restoration. The discussions on the list (and a few memories) were what kept my interest and hopes alive of having my car back on the road at some point. I have succeeded in that quest in no small part due to the contributions of many of those on the list. Thank you all! Tod B382002384LRXFE From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Jul 4 15:01:23 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:01:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Wheels Message-ID: Found this definition/article on some site. Now I know why my Cragers aren't easy to keep vibration free...they're lugcentric. Mark L. Hub Bore Hub bore is the diameter of the central hole in your wheels. This hole fits over the central projection on your hub. Since the wheel is centered on the hub it is called hubcentric. Since manufacturers use different hub bores aftermarket wheel manufactuers usually do one of two things. Both involve making the hub bore relatively large. In the first case the wheel manufacturer makes the hub bore large, so it fits a variety of cars, then supplies Hubcentric rings, that fit inside the bore and adapt it down to the size of the hub projection on various cars. This way they can make/stock 25 different hubcentric rings instead of 25 different wheels. The "one size fits all" wheel, plus the correct ring, makes the wheels hubcentric for a specific car. The other option is to leave the hub bore large, and not supply rings. In this case the wheel becomes Lugcentric because the wheel is not centered on the hub, but instead the lug nuts/bolts. Lugcentric wheels are much harder to center than hubcentric wheels due to the fact that it is not centered on a central projection. For this reason lugcentric wheels are more prone to vibration and shimmys at speed, if mounted correctly however, lugcentric wheels can be trouble free. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wwwdg at webtv.net Thu Jul 5 10:54:44 2007 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:54:44 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Odd MKII fender badge Message-ID: There is a MKII on eBay with an odd fender badge which reads: MARK 2. Anyone seen one like this before? From what I can tell, it looks like a high quality plastic badge with chrome letters. Who made it? David Franchi Link to badge. http://i8.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a8/76/761b_1.JPG eBay Auction link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160134374236 From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net Thu Jul 5 12:17:13 2007 From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J. D. Johnson) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:17:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Odd MKII fender badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rootes was the maker. Off of one of the Hillmans I think. http://www.geocities.com/jds_johnson/mk2hillman-badge.jpg J. D. At 09:54 AM 7/5/2007, David or Gary Franchi wrote: >There is a MKII on eBay with an odd fender badge which reads: MARK 2. Anyone >seen one like this before? From what I can tell, it looks like a high quality >plastic badge with chrome letters. Who made it? From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Jul 5 12:34:24 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:34:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Odd MKII fender badge References: Message-ID: <00a001c7bf33$1cea4160$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> If this is a Canadian import, might it be that a Mark II came badged this way? Tom From jimdamelio at cox.net Thu Jul 5 15:11:25 2007 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Odd MKII fender badge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The badge came on the Mark II Hillman Imp. The Rootes part number was 2231663 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:55 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Odd MKII fender badge There is a MKII on e-Bay with an odd fender badge which reads: MARK 2. Anyone seen one like this before? From what I can tell, it looks like a high quality plastic badge with chrome letters. Who made it? David Franchi Link to badge. http://i8.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a8/76/761b_1.JPG eBay Auction link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160134374236 _______________________________________________ jimdamelio at cox.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 17:00:20 2007 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 11 Message-ID: <103034.18651.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sirs--- I would like to hear from anyone that has information about installing a 347 stroker motor in a 65 Tiger. Thank you very much. Russ Colgan RTSColgan at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "tigers-request at autox.team.net" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 11:00:02 AM Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 11 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Wheels (CoolVT at aol.com) 2. Odd MKII fender badge (David or Gary Franchi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:01:23 EDT From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Wheels To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Found this definition/article on some site. Now I know why my Cragers aren't easy to keep vibration free...they're lugcentric. Mark L. Hub Bore Hub bore is the diameter of the central hole in your wheels. This hole fits over the central projection on your hub. Since the wheel is centered on the hub it is called hubcentric. Since manufacturers use different hub bores aftermarket wheel manufactuers usually do one of two things. Both involve making the hub bore relatively large. In the first case the wheel manufacturer makes the hub bore large, so it fits a variety of cars, then supplies Hubcentric rings, that fit inside the bore and adapt it down to the size of the hub projection on various cars. This way they can make/stock 25 different hubcentric rings instead of 25 different wheels. The "one size fits all" wheel, plus the correct ring, makes the wheels hubcentric for a specific car. The other option is to leave the hub bore large, and not supply rings. In this case the wheel becomes Lugcentric because the wheel is not centered on the hub, but instead the lug nuts/bolts. Lugcentric wheels are much harder to center than hubcentric wheels due to the fact that it is not centered on a central projection. For this reason lugcentric wheels are more prone to vibration and shimmys at speed, if mounted correctly however, lugcentric wheels can be trouble free. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:54:44 GMT From: "David or Gary Franchi" Subject: [Tigers] Odd MKII fender badge To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is a MKII on eBay with an odd fender badge which reads: MARK 2. Anyone seen one like this before? From what I can tell, it looks like a high quality plastic badge with chrome letters. Who made it? David Franchi Link to badge. http://i8.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a8/76/761b_1.JPG eBay Auction link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160134374236 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 11 ************************************* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From rande at thecia.net Thu Jul 5 19:52:41 2007 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] weird wing badge on Ebay Tiger 2 Message-ID: <468da069.54d3.0@thecia.net> All of these responses explain why the "Mark 2" badge wasn't found in the combined Alpine/Tiger parts catalogue.For a moment, I thought it might have been done by the same chap who produced the "289" and "302" badges seen on some Tigers, as well as the "Series III"badges that replaced the original 'Series 3' badge. From awtiger at cox.net Fri Jul 6 07:07:54 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 9:07:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Odd MKII fender badge Message-ID: <25518230.1183727274314.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml27.mgt.cox.net> Jim, thanks for the definitive answer on the badge question. I'm sure there were a lot of people out there like me who had never seen such a badge and were wondering, too. This is yet another excellent reason to be a part of the Sunbeam community and this list. Thanks for the help!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Jim D'Amelio wrote: > The badge came on the Mark II Hillman Imp. The Rootes part number was > 2231663 From gharlowe at comcast.net Fri Jul 6 07:18:13 2007 From: gharlowe at comcast.net (gharlowe at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:18:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Angle Adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c7bfd0$1c4400f0$030010ac@gharlowe9h3kpn> Listers - I'm looking for some tips to adjust the windshield angle relative to the door wing window. I have the windshield adjustment nuts installed from Sunbeam Specialties. The driver's side is adjusted with over 1/4 inch of gap between the top of the adjustment nut and the bottom of the windshield frame and there's still contact with the door wing at the top of the wing triangle. It seems too much "adjustment" will keep the body-windshield frame seal from working as intended. (The passenger side does not have the windshield adjustment nut installed because the windshield-door gap is just right without it.) Next attempt is to use a wood spacer between windshield frame and window wing to set the driver's side gap before tightening the 7 windshield nuts. Any other ideas? Cheers, Graham Harlowe B382001466 From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Jul 6 17:58:59 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:58:59 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MG steering rack advice Message-ID: I'm fooling with a midget steering rack and the ball joints where the arms attach to the rack seem much looser than the ones on my Tiger rack. Does anyone know how this will affect the feel of wheel or safety? There is no actual "play" that can be seen or felt, but it definitely is very free. Does anyone know of site that has discussion of MG Midget parts? Thanks in advance. Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 9 13:34:58 2007 From: amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net (Amberly Chamberlain) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler Message-ID: <823409.55736.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone had any experience with the Flow Kooler water pumps? They claim a 20% reduction in temp. Thanks Frank From itswonderful at comcast.net Mon Jul 9 14:13:34 2007 From: itswonderful at comcast.net (Frank P. Marrone) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:13:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler In-Reply-To: <823409.55736.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <823409.55736.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c7c265$a0eb7760$0801a8c0@FPMengineering> I have on my motor. I can't tell you if it made any difference in cooling because it is the only pump I have ever run on that motor. A standard pump can be modified to work like the Flow Kooler pump. The "magic" is just a flat disk riveted to the back of the stock impeller, at least as far as I can tell. That's what I have heard from others too. Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Amberly Chamberlain > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:35 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler > > Has anyone had any experience with the Flow Kooler water pumps? They > claim a 20% reduction in temp. > > > Thanks > > Frank > _______________________________________________ > itswonderful at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CMcCann at lwpb.com Mon Jul 9 14:12:23 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:12:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler In-Reply-To: <823409.55736.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <823409.55736.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have one on a mustang, 302. it performs fine but I didn't notice the 20% reduction in cooling. It appears to me to flow the same as a stock one, at least on that application. Cullen B382001452 From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Mon Jul 9 14:29:55 2007 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:29:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight doors/trim rings-Mk 1 Message-ID: <9FE74EE7-E103-4751-B785-CD9AAD9C0E6F@shaw.ca> Due to a recent accident in which I was hit in the LF fender/wheel by an Acura going past me at Warp speed(actually 2x or so the 60KM/h limit), I need 2 headlight trim rings for my Mk 1. They were both about 50 feet down the road and are scheduled to be repaired, but I thought that something unscathed might work out better. All leads appreciated. NLA from Rick at SS. Thanks, Peter From e.coiner at cox.net Mon Jul 9 18:33:41 2007 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:33:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler Message-ID: <25671535.1184027621353.JavaMail.root@fed1wml27.mgt.cox.net> I have no experience with the flow cooler brand of pump. I am using the Edelbrock water pump and it was the final piece in the cooling puzzle that was my Tiger. I have related this story before so it should be in the archives somewhere. Long story short, my Tiger overheated like crazy. I replaced radiator, installed Gano filter, installed horn hole blocking plates, cutout the metal cross piece that covers 10% of the radiator, added the sheet metal ducting per Steve Laifman's TU article. Installed several different types of high airflow fans. The car would still overheat, especially while climbing hills. Changed the pump and the car has not run hot since. It runs between 190 and 200 F regardless of driving conditons. If everything else is in top notch condition and you don't have mechanical problems like a blown head gasket (just one of the problems my car had) then the water pump can provide a benefit. Erich ---- Amberly Chamberlain wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with the Flow Kooler water pumps? They claim a 20% reduction in temp. > > > Thanks > > Frank From motoys2001 at comcast.net Mon Jul 9 20:01:05 2007 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:01:05 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler Message-ID: <071020070201.16186.4692E8610004251400003F3A2200761064CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> I have used the Flow Kooler pump. Nothing special, no noticeable difference from a stock pump. The Edelbrock is a very well made pump (robust casting, large shaft and bearings, nice impeller design, very good tolerances). Got one on my Tiger. 350 RWHP...no problems.http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/water_pumps/water_pumps_main.shtml Stewart Stage IV pump on my race engine. 490 RWHP... no problems. http://www.stewartcomponents.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=FordSTG4 Good Luck, Henry V From parlanti at comcast.net Tue Jul 10 06:41:05 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:41:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] PVGP In-Reply-To: <001101c7bfd0$1c4400f0$030010ac@gharlowe9h3kpn> Message-ID: <000601c7c2ef$9af92520$cbd0010a@JPARLANTIXPLT> Anyone going to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix this weekend? I'll be there, not in the car show but racing, and would like to meet up with other Tiger folks. Thanks, Joe Parlanti B382000026 From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jul 12 18:46:46 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Lawrence Mayfield) Date: 13 Jul 2007 00:46:46 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] FW: BOSS EFI Now Available! Message-ID: <20070713004646.8993.qmail@maildogmanager.com> Your friend Lawrence Mayfield at drmayf at mayfco.com requested that we forward you a copy of a message they recently received. You have not been subscribed to any list, nor has your email address been permanently recorded. This may help some of us who want to go to EFI without the look of EFI. Usual disclaimers, I have no interest in this company except for the aspect of the product. mayf Billet BossEFI Arrives! Thanks for your previous inquiry about RetroTek Speeds revolutionary bolt-on EFI system. Like most new products, it has taken us longer than expected to have the first systems available, but they are finally in stock. RetroTek has gone the extra mile and had these units CNC-machined out of billet aluminum and polished to a chrome-like luster. (Machined finish available at a reduced price.) 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You can order on-line or call us at 951-737-2006. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Trouble viewing this email? Go to: http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vt1CTjVcJ9oNj4LpXCJAgoEuK cyZfQ== * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Automedia 2000, 5285 Kazuko Court, Unit B, Moorpark, CA 93021, USA Instantly created and delivered by Automedia 2000's Mail Dog (http://www.maildogmanager.com) From j&e at ontis.com Fri Jul 13 07:49:07 2007 From: j&e at ontis.com (Steve K) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:49:07 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] top clamps Message-ID: <001b01c7c554$96492810$4996cecd@youra362a72fb1> Goodmorning all Anyone have a line on some good top clamps ? I need a set for my hardtop , and there never seems to be any around . Anyone have NOS ones ?? Thanks for any info or help . Steve K in Millet j&e at ontis.com From sunbeams at sc.rr.com Fri Jul 13 12:39:39 2007 From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:39:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam SOS-Columbia, South Carolina Sept. 22+23 References: <001b01c7c554$96492810$4996cecd@youra362a72fb1> Message-ID: <001801c7c57d$2bf8ad90$6401a8c0@DFBHD491> Sunbeam Owners The next Sunbeam SOS (Sunbeam Owners of the South) Event will be September 22-23 2007 at Columbia, South Carolina. We will spend Saturday doing a little fun driving on some very nice back roads on our inaugural "One Lap around Lake Wateree" and end up at a lakeside park for a cookout and Sunbeam talk. Following that we will head over to a nearby workshop where Jim Ellis will delve deep into his V-6 Alpine project and answer any engine conversion questions you may have as well as any other Sunbeam repair issues that you have been wondering about. A local BBQ place will be the location for dinner and socializing. And then from 8 until 10 PM there will be a hospitality suite set up at The Hampton Inn which is the show's host hotel. The next morning we will all meet up at the Carolina British Classics Show and put on a display of Sunbeam automobiles that will hopefully dominate the field of all British cars! So come join us-the weather will be cool and the driving fun as we all get together again to enjoy our Sunbeams. There will be no charge to attend the SOS-just bring something to share at the cookout. There is a registration charge for the Carolina British Classic Show. Here is the link to the registration form for the show on Sept. 23rd http://www.capitalfinancialpartners.com/files/14821/BCCMC%20registration%20form.pdf Info about the club, the event, and host hotel is at http://www.britishcarclubmidlandscentre.com/ Quite a few folks have already registered and everything is lined up for a great event-hope y'all can join us. If there is anything else you need just ask! Hotels that are nearer to the SOS are available as well. The SOS site is about 30 miles from the show site. Please email me at sunbeams at sc.rr.com for the SOS schedule and other info and to let me know how many will be attending the SOS. Updates and the latest info will be at http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=997 See you there! Eric Gibeaut From j&e at ontis.com Sat Jul 14 11:50:29 2007 From: j&e at ontis.com (Steve K) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:50:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] top clamps Message-ID: <000a01c7c63f$7872b090$0596cecd@youra362a72fb1> Hello all I had an amazing response to my request for clamps . I have purchased some . Thanks to all . Steve K B382001622lrxfe From mtjoy at telis.org Sat Jul 14 14:49:53 2007 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:49:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 15 References: Message-ID: <000b01c7c658$882e35e0$1eb90c45@computer> Hey Listers, Was there someone on the list who recently was asking about a Flying Merkel? (For those of you who don't know, it's a motorcycle.) There is a completely restored one that will be coming up for auction, from an estate. Please contact me off the list if you wwere the one asking about it, or if you have an interest in it, and I'll get you the contact information. **Just the messenger** Darrell From gharlowe at comcast.net Sun Jul 15 15:28:45 2007 From: gharlowe at comcast.net (gharlowe at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:28:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release Tricks Message-ID: <000001c7c727$239667e0$030010ac@gharlowe9h3kpn> Listers - I could use some tricks to release the hood from its catch. The yoke must have slipped off the pin in the release mechanism (cotter pin not installed). When I pull on the hood release, nothing happens. I managed to remove the bolts at the hinge in the front of the hood by reaching through the grill, so the front is free to move, but I've had no luck releasing the catch at the back. There's no clearance at the windshield to slide anything inside. Any recommendations? After hearing some stories, I had planned to install a back-up cable for the pull mechanism (not to mention the obvious cotter pin) but that was always lower on the priority list. Please learn from my lesson! Thanks as always... Graham Harlowe B382001466 From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Jul 16 07:57:02 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Car Wanted... Message-ID: <469B792E.50103@mayfco.com> I wish to purchase a 1978 - 1988 Chevrolet Turbo Sprint in reasonably good shape. It needs to have all the OEM stuff on it, inside and out. This is the three cylinder model with 993 cc displacement. I wish to run this car in I/PS if I can find one. Tiz for my wife. Car should be reasonably cheap (you know women drivers. She'll prolly wreck it while on the cell phone, lol). I would also be interested in knowing about any other 1000 cc and under cars with turbo chargers if there are any. Tiger, Alpine, Tweecer content. The little red sunbeam is almost ready to be loaded up for the festivities this summer. Just some minor things to do and I will load up starting on the 29th. Hope to see many of you at Speed Week Aug 9 - 17 or World of Speed Septmeber, 12 - 15. mayf From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 08:04:46 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:04:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Car Wanted... In-Reply-To: <469B792E.50103@mayfco.com> References: <469B792E.50103@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0707160704x7f2c1acuce610d92c3f7a3a7@mail.gmail.com> plenty of modern cars otherwise, mini era turbo (if you must have a turbo...) On 7/16/07, drmayf wrote: > I wish to purchase a 1978 - 1988 Chevrolet Turbo Sprint in reasonably > good shape. It needs to have all the OEM stuff on it, inside and out. > This is the three cylinder model with 993 cc displacement. I wish to run > this car in I/PS if I can find one. Tiz for my wife. Car should be > reasonably cheap (you know women drivers. She'll prolly wreck it while > on the cell phone, lol). > > I would also be interested in knowing about any other 1000 cc and under > cars with turbo chargers if there are any. > > Tiger, Alpine, Tweecer content. The little red sunbeam is almost ready > to be loaded up for the festivities this summer. Just some minor things > to do and I will load up starting on the 29th. Hope to see many of you > at Speed Week Aug 9 - 17 or World of Speed Septmeber, 12 - 15. > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From lwall at wt-inc.com Mon Jul 16 10:49:28 2007 From: lwall at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:49:28 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis radiators Message-ID: <002501c7c7c9$47048160$d50d8420$@com> All, Since the Fluidyne radiator supply has dried up does anyone have any experience with the Ron Davis radiator? Is the size okay? They specifically mention two rows of 1" tubing instead of the typical 3 row design. Thanks, Lynn From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 13:05:10 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:05:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints Message-ID: <39a841b0707161205t21597214ma665730b795784a@mail.gmail.com> has anyone had any experience of the cheap ball joints from victoria british? they are $40 a pair upper or lower. i was going to change my bearings which i know are loose and see if my front end improves but i suspect i may then have to change the ball joints too. these are so cheap it would be worth changing them while i do the bearings anyway if they work ok. p.s. if anyone has a nice early alpine grill they'd be willing to sell, i'm looking for one. thanks. From rsfeldusa at netscape.net Mon Jul 16 15:54:49 2007 From: rsfeldusa at netscape.net (rsfeldusa at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:54:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release Message-ID: <8C9960B10F93305-15B0-20F7@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Mine gets ornery at times too. I move the pull handle back & forth with vigor & then it gives up & releases. Good Luck, Roger Sternfeld '66 Tiger ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 16 16:09:21 2007 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:09:21 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes car on ebay - Humber looks very classy Message-ID: All, ebay ref - 190129204815 I have no interest in this, but this looks to be a very special and very original Humber. I just thought it would give view of the prestige of Rootes in its heyday. Hope you enjoy looking. Regards -- Jeff Howarth From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jul 16 16:12:10 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:12:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157108B13@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> You should weigh the cost of these "cheap" balljoints against the price of their failure. Also, if you're redoing the front end then the extra $120 that getting real balljoints from Rick will cost you is a pretty small part of the total parts and labor amount. Best regards, Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: July 16, 2007 1:05 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints has anyone had any experience of the cheap ball joints from victoria british? they are $40 a pair upper or lower. From mrlau at charter.net Mon Jul 16 16:50:13 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints Message-ID: <20070716225136.CXWX26124.aa02.charter.net@aardvark> Does anyone know that they will typically fail or is it just the word because they are cheaper and somehow more expensive is always better? -- Bill -- You should weigh the cost of these "cheap" balljoints against the price of their failure. Also, if you're redoing the front end then the extra $120 that getting real balljoints from Rick will cost you is a pretty small part of the total parts and labor amount. Best regards, Theo Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints has anyone had any experience of the cheap ball joints from victoria british? they are $40 a pair upper or lower. _______________________________________________ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jul 16 16:59:52 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:59:52 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157108B14@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Others will have more detailed history here, but from what I recall there was a replacement (lower?) balljoint on the market where the ball and shaft were copper plated for corrosion resistance and it was retained only by a nylock nut, not a castellated and cotter-pinned assembly. Both the copper plating and the nylock nut were causes for failure, but I don't have any direct experience or first hand stories related to these items. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: July 16, 2007 4:50 PM To: Tigers at Autox. Team. Net Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints Does anyone know that they will typically fail or is it just the word because they are cheaper and somehow more expensive is always better? -- Bill -- From modtiger at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 20:03:03 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:03:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] cheap ball joints In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157108B14@dsimail.ad.garmin.c om> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157108B14@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070716184048.05026fb0@comcast.net> At 03:59 PM 7/16/2007, you wrote: >Others will have more detailed history here, but from what I recall >there was a replacement (lower?) balljoint on the market where the ball >and shaft were copper plated for corrosion resistance and it was >retained only by a nylock nut, not a castellated and cotter-pinned >assembly. Both the copper plating and the nylock nut were causes for >failure, but I don't have any direct experience or first hand stories >related to these items. > >Theo I believe Theo has the story a bit upside down as it were. The OEM ball joints made by Engineered Products and possibly also by other English manufacturers had the ball unit copper plated. Later, tin or other similar silver-ish plating was used. These ball joints were all supplied with castleated nuts and cotter pins. When Q-H started making these replacements, they terminated the plating operations and substituted Nylock nuts. Early on, these pieces had internal rust or other internal related problems and several locked to the point where they didn't turn in the ball socket. The norm was that they began to turn in the taper. Cut to the chase, several of them unscrewed the Nylock nuts dropping the lower A-arm to the ground. I have first hand knowledge of this failure, and reports of several more. To his credit, Rick (Sunbeam Specialties), when told of this mode of failure, began drilling the shanks of the ball joints he sold and supplied the castleated nuts and cotter pins. The problem of ball joints unscrewing themselves disappeared. I recently heard that it occurred again with an older Nylock installation. Word to the wise: Don't drive around with Nylock nuts retaining your lower ball joints. The uppers ball joints have never been reported to experience this problem, so I suspect it's a manufacturing and or shipping/storage, environment related cause. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From JHef101 at aol.com Tue Jul 17 06:46:14 2007 From: JHef101 at aol.com (JHef101 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:46:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis radiators Message-ID: In a message dated 7/16/2007 12:57:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lwall at wt-inc.com writes: All, Since the Fluidyne radiator supply has dried up does anyone have any experience with the Ron Davis radiator? Is the size okay? They specifically mention two rows of 1" tubing instead of the typical 3 row design. Thanks, Lynn I installed a Ron Davis radiator in my Tiger about ten years ago, the fit was perfect and the temp drop was about 25 deg as I recall during Arizona and Texas summers. I still had to add an electric pusher fan though for any summer stop and go traffic situations. The Ron Davis radiator is a fine product and Ron was great to work with, they took the order and built and shipped the radiator in about 10 days. Hope this helps. Best, Jeff Hefner B9470028 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mmichels at socal.rr.com Tue Jul 17 08:06:55 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:06:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Lockheed brake boosters Message-ID: <000701c7c87b$bd520470$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Hello listers, I have the small (at least I think it is since outside diameter of the "can" is about 6 inches) modern Lockheed brake booster with the stock 7/8 master cylinder and am looking to get more brake boost and less pedal effort. Is it correct to assume that the 7 inch version Lockheed booster will provide more boost ratio, simply because it has larger vacuum piston area? and if I change to the bigger one, I'll get less pedal effort? From mrlau at charter.net Tue Jul 17 08:07:12 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:07:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: cheap ball joints Message-ID: <20070717140837.OHAS7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> They would have to be out of grease to rust, and this is a bit late, rust or not because it will seize regardless of plating at that point. I would hope that anyone could drill the shaft and install castellated nuts as it is pretty simple. I would only worry about them if the metal was of an inferior manufacture. I also would install castellated nuts on the uppers or anywhere else that is critical. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Hall Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:03 PM To: Smit, Theo Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] cheap ball joints At 03:59 PM 7/16/2007, you wrote: >Others will have more detailed history here, but from what I recall >there was a replacement (lower?) balljoint on the market where the ball >and shaft were copper plated for corrosion resistance and it was >retained only by a nylock nut, not a castellated and cotter-pinned >assembly. Both the copper plating and the nylock nut were causes for >failure, but I don't have any direct experience or first hand stories >related to these items. > >Theo I believe Theo has the story a bit upside down as it were. The OEM ball joints made by Engineered Products and possibly also by other English manufacturers had the ball unit copper plated. Later, tin or other similar silver-ish plating was used. These ball joints were all supplied with castleated nuts and cotter pins. When Q-H started making these replacements, they terminated the plating operations and substituted Nylock nuts. Early on, these pieces had internal rust or other internal related problems and several locked to the point where they didn't turn in the ball socket. The norm was that they began to turn in the taper. Cut to the chase, several of them unscrewed the Nylock nuts dropping the lower A-arm to the ground. I have first hand knowledge of this failure, and reports of several more. To his credit, Rick (Sunbeam Specialties), when told of this mode of failure, began drilling the shanks of the ball joints he sold and supplied the castleated nuts and cotter pins. The problem of ball joints unscrewing themselves disappeared. I recently heard that it occurred again with an older Nylock installation. Word to the wise: Don't drive around with Nylock nuts retaining your lower ball joints. The uppers ball joints have never been reported to experience this problem, so I suspect it's a manufacturing and or shipping/storage, environment related cause. From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Jul 17 09:07:46 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:07:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Lockheed brake boosters Message-ID: I pitched the Lockheed booster on my car, not original anyway, and it keep screwing up. Went with an undersize master from Doug Jennings and I feel the pedal pressure is good......and no surprises...Maybe you could keep your booster and go with the undersize master. That way you have a new master and an adjustable clevis at the pedal arm.....just a thought From modtiger at comcast.net Tue Jul 17 14:29:41 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:29:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Castleated Nuts Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070717132431.025729b8@comcast.net> Bill Martin reminded me that some of the castleated nuts available today are somewhat shorter than the OEM nuts, leaving the cotter key hole above the nut. If you have this situation and don't have any of the OEM nuts, the best solution is to use a flat washer to get the cotter key into the slot correctly. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Jul 17 18:22:07 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:22:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis radiators Message-ID: I have a Ron Davis radiator. I haven't finished my car but in test fitting and looking the radiator over it seems to be beautifully made and fit well. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From WSuman at aol.com Tue Jul 17 20:05:32 2007 From: WSuman at aol.com (WSuman at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:05:32 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Cheap Ball Joints Message-ID: My VB ball joints lasted several miles before seizing and ripping the boots. Not a particularly good value. Walt Suman ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Wed Jul 18 11:30:37 2007 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:30:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler In-Reply-To: <071020070201.16186.4692E8610004251400003F3A2200761064CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488FE7F45E@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET> Silly question on the Edelbrock pumps -- which one fits on the 260? The same pump that fits a 289? Sorry -- it's my first V8. Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1965 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III www.TR-250.com Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From e.coiner at cox.net Wed Jul 18 13:13:32 2007 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:13:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler Message-ID: <20466600.1184786012683.JavaMail.root@fed1wml23.mgt.cox.net> If you KNOW your 260 is completely stock then you want 8842 the one Edelbrock says is for the 65-67 289 special. Ford made a running change to the water pump some time in late 65. They changed the front timing cover at the same time. So parts are not interchangeable. You must use the water pump that works with the timing cover on your engine. Remove your water pump. If you can see the impeller, then buy 8842. If the water pump has a steel plate held on by two bolts that prevents you from seeing the impeller, buy 8841. Ford also change the pump material. Original pumps had an Aluminum body. The pumps with the backing plate were made from Cast Iron. In some Mustang parts catalogs you will see them listed as Cast Iron or Cast Aluminum pumps. Erich ---- "Steinman wrote: > Silly question on the Edelbrock pumps -- which one fits on the 260? The > same pump that fits a 289? Sorry -- it's my first V8. From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Wed Jul 18 13:29:53 2007 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:29:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler In-Reply-To: <20466600.1184786012683.JavaMail.root@fed1wml23.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488FE7F46E@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET> Thanks so much! I guess I have to become more conversant in Ford engine production! Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1965 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III www.TR-250.com Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... -----Original Message----- From: e.coiner at cox.net [mailto:e.coiner at cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:14 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Steinman, Bill; motoys2001 at comcast.net; Amberly Chamberlain Subject: Re: [Tigers] flow kooler If you KNOW your 260 is completely stock then you want 8842 the one Edelbrock says is for the 65-67 289 special. Ford made a running change to the water pump some time in late 65. They changed the front timing cover at the same time. So parts are not interchangeable. You must use the water pump that works with the timing cover on your engine. Remove your water pump. If you can see the impeller, then buy 8842. If the water pump has a steel plate held on by two bolts that prevents you from seeing the impeller, buy 8841. Ford also change the pump material. Original pumps had an Aluminum body. The pumps with the backing plate were made from Cast Iron. In some Mustang parts catalogs you will see them listed as Cast Iron or Cast Aluminum pumps. Erich ---- "Steinman wrote: > Silly question on the Edelbrock pumps -- which one fits on the 260? > The same pump that fits a 289? Sorry -- it's my first V8. > > NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From mrlau at charter.net Wed Jul 18 15:09:55 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:09:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] flow kooler Message-ID: <20070718211124.FRHI26124.aa02.charter.net@aardvark> You won't have the chance to learn too much because they don't break very often. Another thing that can vary on the pumps is where the plate you bolt the pulley and fan is pressed to but it can be moved wherever you want by pressing it or pulling it. Just make sure you back the impeller if you are pressing it on more or you will break the pump or bearings. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steinman, Bill Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:30 PM To: e.coiner at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net; motoys2001 at comcast.net; Amberly Chamberlain Subject: Re: [Tigers] flow kooler Thanks so much! I guess I have to become more conversant in Ford engine production! Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1965 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III www.TR-250.com Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... -----Original Message----- From: e.coiner at cox.net [mailto:e.coiner at cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:14 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Steinman, Bill; motoys2001 at comcast.net; Amberly Chamberlain Subject: Re: [Tigers] flow kooler If you KNOW your 260 is completely stock then you want 8842 the one Edelbrock says is for the 65-67 289 special. Ford made a running change to the water pump some time in late 65. They changed the front timing cover at the same time. So parts are not interchangeable. You must use the water pump that works with the timing cover on your engine. Remove your water pump. If you can see the impeller, then buy 8842. If the water pump has a steel plate held on by two bolts that prevents you from seeing the impeller, buy 8841. Ford also change the pump material. Original pumps had an Aluminum body. The pumps with the backing plate were made from Cast Iron. In some Mustang parts catalogs you will see them listed as Cast Iron or Cast Aluminum pumps. Erich ---- "Steinman wrote: > Silly question on the Edelbrock pumps -- which one fits on the 260? > The same pump that fits a 289? Sorry -- it's my first V8. From jimsnell at qwest.net Wed Jul 18 23:41:57 2007 From: jimsnell at qwest.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:41:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wiring question Message-ID: <000c01c7c9c7$8575e740$0301000a@DC709T91> Looking for any words of wisdom on a lighting issue I just started having. The headlights, turn signals, dash and rear running lights are all working fine. Just recently the brake lights, license plate lights and front running lights all quit working. I'm hoping it's just a bulb in one of those housings or loose ground, but before I start pulling things apart thought I'd see if anyone has suggestions on where the problem might be. I'm not certain the car is wired as original as the previous owner installed a painless harness. Until last week everything was working just fine. Thanks in advance. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jul 19 08:21:53 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:21:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Wiring question Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157108B23@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> One bulb (in any of the circuits you described) should not cause a bunch of stuff to quit simultaneously. The running lights and the license plate lights should be on the same circuit in any conventional wiring arrangement but they should be with the taillights (rear running lights), not the brake lights, so the failure you're describing doesn't make sense at first consideration. However: Bad grounds can make a lot of things fail in interesting ways, so that would be where I'd start looking. Also check to see if combinations of lights fail where turning on one at a time seems to be ok: turn on the running lights and see what works, then see if it changes when you step on the brakes. If the brake lights work OK when the running lights are off, but they stop working when the running lights are on, is a indication of bad grounding at the taillights. Good luck, Theo From charlesengland at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 19 12:19:39 2007 From: charlesengland at sbcglobal.net (Charles England) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:19:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Joe Parlanti could you respond to this email Message-ID: <002901c7ca31$62462180$4001a8c0@CHARLIE> Joe - I need your help locating Kim Howland of Ft. Worth. He painted my Tiger for the PO and I need to know the manufacturer and code #. Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 09:15:42 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:15:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] trying to locate bill keene, moss point, ms Message-ID: <39a841b0707200815ned3cb50jfe8811eb6f5d249a@mail.gmail.com> if you are he, or if you know his email, please let me know. thanks. From bobdixon at frii.com Sun Jul 22 16:07:56 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:07:56 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] round corner doors on a 1A Message-ID: <000401c7ccac$c2389dc0$d000a8c0@bob> I was just curious if there was a transition period where a 66 Tiger could have round corner doors but a square corner hood. It seems like Sunbeam sometimes built these cars with what they had lying around. Thanks, Bob B382000993 B382001436 From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 22 17:18:46 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:18:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] round corner doors on a 1A Message-ID: And here is an even crazier question....would they have ever modified a round corner door to fit a square corner car? I've always noticed that on the drivers door of my 1A there is a rounded section imprinted over the square at the door corner where it would be rounded on a Mark 1. In fact, almost like a small indentation. I've check the inside of the door and there is no sign of any past damage or repair. The door is an original red just as the car is. I thought maybe in the past the door had been replaced with a modified round cornered door, but there is no sign of any work being done to make the door square. It shows a rounded mark on the outside, but perfectly square on the inside. I'll have to check the passenger door and see if the same mark is there. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 23 07:37:22 2007 From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (ktisdale at ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:37:22 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Tigers] round corner doors on a 1A Message-ID: <19787949.1185197843423.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There was a transition period...seems like any parts on the shelves could end up on a Tiger for no particular reason:-) Ken -----Original Message----- >From: Bob Dixon >Sent: Jul 22, 2007 4:07 PM >To: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] round corner doors on a 1A > >I was just curious if there was a transition period where a 66 Tiger could >have round corner doors but a square corner hood. It seems like Sunbeam >sometimes built these cars with what they had lying around. From jimdamelio at cox.net Tue Jul 24 17:18:05 2007 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MKII Photos Message-ID: Stumbled upon these photos I had forgotten about. Thought they might be of interest to someone. They are of the engine compartment and trunk of a MKII Tiger. You might say...so what, seen plenty. There's one big difference. These were taken by Road and Track magazine in 1967 when they tested the car. You use to be able to order 8 X 10 pictures from R&T. Don't know if you still can. Last I heard the negatives of the engine compartment of the MKI they tested were missing. Enjoy Jim D http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/MKII_engine.jpg http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/MKII_trunk.jpg From mark.olson at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 17:22:14 2007 From: mark.olson at gmail.com (Mark Olson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] round corner doors on a 1A Message-ID: Mine (B38200081) has a square corner hood, round corner doors and trunk lid. If you look close in the trunk, the ribbing pattern in the floor is the Mk1 vs Mk1A. I have the Mk1A interior except the the seats which are Mk1. I have the transition badge as well. Also, my windshield mounts with 2 fasteners vs the normal 4. I have the black engine block of the Mk1 vs the blue of the Mk1A. It might be interesting to try to map how far the supply of each of the Mk1 parts went into the early Mk1A cars. Mark From mark.olson at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 17:25:46 2007 From: mark.olson at gmail.com (Mark Olson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:25:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] List moderator issues Message-ID: All, Somehow, for a couple of months now, my email address has been deleted as the moderator of this list. I still have all of the moderator rights, but receive none of the messages that go to the moderator. I have asked Mark Braddakis to look into this for me, but have not received any response to date. So if you need any moderator help, please email me directly at mark.olson at gmail.com Sorry for any inconvenience, Mark From pirouette at charter.net Wed Jul 25 14:07:35 2007 From: pirouette at charter.net (pirouette at charter.net) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:07:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] seam sealer fine points Message-ID: <1997005901.1185394055183.JavaMail.root@fepweb08> Hey, I'm about to undecoat the wheel wells and (soon) topcoat the engine bay and I did my seam sealer in the bay before primer by memory. Now I'm having doubts. I've got pretty much everything on the firewall sealed below the level of the little wedge shaped bar that goes across near the top (the one that has the two brackets for the fender support tubes mounted on it). I remember the bottom of this being sealed all across, but the top not and any seams above up to the scuttle not as well. Is that factory correct?? Also, the ends of this bar leave a little gap where it would meet the sides....sealed or not?? And lastly, in the front wheel wells, the long longitudinal seam high in the inner well between the inner and outer fenders......my memory is not sealed, but.....????.... I'm not committed to perfect stock althogh I'd like to maintain it when possible, so if someone feels that sealing something that wasn't done so stock is a good idea, I'd like to know that too. Offlist replies would be fine unless the list wants to know this rather picayune info. Chris Hill From mrlau at charter.net Wed Jul 25 16:56:33 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:56:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] seam sealer fine points Message-ID: <20070725225814.HKQQ7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> My MKII is original and sealed between the inner and outer front fenders with a wide goo. When it comes loose is when you have rust in your rockers. Would you like pictures so you could see exactly how the rest of it is? -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pirouette at charter.net Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 3:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] seam sealer fine points Hey, I'm about to undecoat the wheel wells and (soon) topcoat the engine bay and I did my seam sealer in the bay before primer by memory. Now I'm having doubts. I've got pretty much everything on the firewall sealed below the level of the little wedge shaped bar that goes across near the top (the one that has the two brackets for the fender support tubes mounted on it). I remember the bottom of this being sealed all across, but the top not and any seams above up to the scuttle not as well. Is that factory correct?? Also, the ends of this bar leave a little gap where it would meet the sides....sealed or not?? And lastly, in the front wheel wells, the long longitudinal seam high in the inner well between the inner and outer fenders......my memory is not sealed, but.....????.... I'm not committed to perfect stock althogh I'd like to maintain it when possible, so if someone feels that sealing something that wasn't done so stock is a good idea, I'd like to know that too. Offlist replies would be fine unless the list wants to know this rather picayune info. Chris Hill From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Thu Jul 26 13:48:22 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:48:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe I'm late to the party on this one. But, I just came across the full Get Smart series for sale: http://www.timelife.com/catalog/product.jsp?catalogId=2&categoryId=17&productId=9613&siteID=xu03iJN422o-EmXvzr7O41fMso.0omCa9Q It's pretty expensive at $199.95 (they couldn't make it .99?) for all five seasons. But, I did note that it did come with this: "- Additional Bonus Feature: A digital keyed schematic of Max's original Sunbeam Tiger sports car" Dad, tell you what, you buy it, and I'll watch it. Ok? Oh, and you can have the schematic. ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From jimboynton at comcast.net Thu Jul 26 14:17:48 2007 From: jimboynton at comcast.net (Jim Boynton) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:17:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401c7cfc2$09ac7290$0301a8c0@biblehill> My Xmas present. $89 at this site. Pays to do a little research. http://www.tvboxset.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=67_99&gclid=CJTTnNKE xo0CFQQ3OAodMR6FMQ From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Jul 26 14:23:04 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:23:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic Message-ID: Jim, what is the schematic? Is it something you can share with us? mark ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From brichards at fineeyes.com Thu Jul 26 14:59:57 2007 From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:59:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011801c7cfc7$ed08ffe0$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-elecsys.asp#Wiring I hate seeing it for sale on ebay when it's posted out there. Bruce B9470147 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:23 PM To: jimboynton at comcast.net; Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic Jim, what is the schematic? Is it something you can share with us? mark ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ brichards at fineeyes.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From brichards at fineeyes.com Thu Jul 26 15:07:16 2007 From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:07:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic In-Reply-To: <011801c7cfc7$ed08ffe0$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> References: <011801c7cfc7$ed08ffe0$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> Message-ID: <011901c7cfc8$f2dbac00$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> Sorry, that link doesn't fully work, here is a link for the 260 diagram. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN36.asp -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:00 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-elecsys.asp#Wiring I hate seeing it for sale on ebay when it's posted out there. Bruce B9470147 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:23 PM To: jimboynton at comcast.net; Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic Jim, what is the schematic? Is it something you can share with us? mark ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ brichards at fineeyes.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ brichards at fineeyes.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From banana111 at msn.com Sat Jul 28 07:06:50 2007 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:06:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic Message-ID: Be careful..... http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=28406 I found a few places complaining about the tvboxset website. Brent B9471023 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:17:48 -0400 From: "Jim Boynton" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart DVDs and Tiger Schematic To: Cc: Tigers Message-ID: <001401c7cfc2$09ac7290$0301a8c0 at biblehill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My Xmas present. $89 at this site. Pays to do a little research. http://www.tvboxset.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=67_99&gclid=CJ TTnNKE xo0CFQQ3OAodMR6FMQ From pirouette at charter.net Sat Jul 28 15:03:46 2007 From: pirouette at charter.net (pirouette at charter.net) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:03:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter Message-ID: <180085087.1185656627004.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Hey, My buddy wants to get out of his leaky remote system for his oil filter. He's thinking of the Ford Racing adapter that has been mentioned here before (??). Part # M-6880-A50 on their site. Appears to be the one that pivots to fit. Is this information correct? Also, can this unit be mounted as is or is there something that needs to come off first. Finally, he has old Sanderson headers. Has anyone had experience with fitment of this piece with Sandersons?? Thanks as always!! Chris Hill From jbbrown3 at tx.rr.com Sat Jul 28 17:09:42 2007 From: jbbrown3 at tx.rr.com (Joe Brown) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:09:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine and Transmission Info Message-ID: <20070728230954.NWJM8949.mta10.adelphia.net@OfficePC> Hey, I'm trying to find some info about the best combo of 302 (5.0L) engine and 5-speed transmission. I know this has all been discussed before and I tried going to the list archives but I can't find them. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Thu Jul 26 12:29:24 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:29:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seam Sealer Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0702F05B@norn32.d30.intra> Chris, I went to great pains to seam my engine area and the damn stuff cracked. I used the 3M stuff in the blue and white tube and it only last about 2 years before it cracked out. Not sure what you are using. They now have 2 component stuff that you need a special gun for and it is far more durable and dries VERY quickly. If you are all done then it may be too late but if not try to get the other stuff. The problem may be that the engine have is just too stout and flexes the car more than it should and more than the sealer permits.. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From un-cole-a at juno.com Thu Jul 26 08:08:05 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:08:05 GMT Subject: [Tigers] New owner, Lots of Questions Message-ID: <20070726.100805.13527.1@webmail04.lax.untd.com> After a very long wait I finally purchased a Tiger. B9470149 LRXFE Color Code #76 Balmoral Gray Does have to be restored but it's drivable right now, well except for some brake problems. I have e mailed Norm Miller and he has verified it is an authentic Tiger, low production number and also a unusual color. I would like to restore it to as close to original as possible. In the coming months I'm sure I will be posting a lot of questions. Also, if anybody lives in New Jersey I would like to hear from them. Thanks Tim B9470149 LRXFE From jimboynton at comcast.net Sun Jul 29 06:30:26 2007 From: jimboynton at comcast.net (Jim Boynton) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:30:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter In-Reply-To: <180085087.1185656627004.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> References: <180085087.1185656627004.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <000801c7d1dc$3eabdf50$0301a8c0@biblehill> I did this a couple years ago. It was very easy. But also heard this is a problem with headers. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter2.a sp Hey, My buddy wants to get out of his leaky remote system for his oil filter. He's thinking of the Ford Racing adapter that has been mentioned here before (??). Part # M-6880-A50 on their site. Appears to be the one that pivots to fit. Is this information correct? Also, can this unit be mounted as is or is there something that needs to come off first. Finally, he has old Sanderson headers. Has anyone had experience with fitment of this piece with Sandersons?? Thanks as always!! Chris Hill Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Jul 29 09:47:07 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:47:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter In-Reply-To: <180085087.1185656627004.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <000f01c7d1f7$b8b7d090$6601a8c0@Brennan> If the aftermarket headers have a tube coming down in front of the motor mount, then there will not be room for the Motorsports right angle adapter. I have the stock cast headers on my 260 so no problems. There was a brand of header available at one point (maybe still) that had all of the tubes behind the motor mount, so that one would work fine. There should be more info in the archives of this list, and on Tigers United. Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pirouette at charter.net Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:04 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter Hey, My buddy wants to get out of his leaky remote system for his oil filter. He's thinking of the Ford Racing adapter that has been mentioned here before (??). Part # M-6880-A50 on their site. Appears to be the one that pivots to fit. Is this information correct? Also, can this unit be mounted as is or is there something that needs to come off first. Finally, he has old Sanderson headers. Has anyone had experience with fitment of this piece with Sandersons?? Thanks as always!! Chris Hill Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Jul 29 11:03:45 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter References: <000f01c7d1f7$b8b7d090$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <001b01c7d202$7132ca30$8a01a8c0@delldimension> This adapter is interesting. I have the type of headers with the tube in front of the motor mount and to be sure, the "shorty" spin on filter that some folks use won't work. But it looks like the right angle adapter might fit if I can confirm its dimensions. My question: is there enough room for the filter to fit forward, horizontally, as it appears the front crossmember and steering column shaft would get in the way. Stu, are you using a standard FL-1/PH-8 Ford Filter or a shorter one? Thanks everyone, Mike ----- > If the aftermarket headers have a tube coming down in front of the motor > mount, then there will not be room for the Motorsports right angle > adapter. I have the stock cast headers on my 260 so no problems. There > was a brand of header available at one point (maybe still) that had all > of the tubes behind the motor mount, so that one would work fine. There > should be more info in the archives of this list, and on Tigers United. > > Stu > > ----- From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Jul 29 11:43:25 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:43:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter In-Reply-To: <001b01c7d202$7132ca30$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Message-ID: <001001c7d207$f7ccb2e0$6601a8c0@Brennan> It did not appear that there was room to angle the adapter forward. Folks on this network have been using these adapters for years, so if any direction other than the standard one would work, I'm sure someone would have mentioned this. I'm using a Fram PH3600/Ford FL400 size filter. Smaller diameter, but about the same length as the FL1. Diameter is the issue with clearance to the motor mount. If I got out my angle grinder and took just a bit off of the motor mount, I could use the FL1/PH8A size filter, same as the original. The PH3600 has then same thread, gasket, pressure release, burst pressure, etc., as the PH8A. Stu From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 29 11:46:43 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:46:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter Message-ID: Actually, I've looked at mine a few times and thought that there might be room to tilt it forward. I put mine on the easiest way at the time and that was pointing rearward and haven't bothered to try it spun towards the front. If it wouldn't fit forward, it has to be very close. It would be interested to know if anyone actually tried it that way. Mark ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From jimsnell at qwest.net Sun Jul 29 12:17:33 2007 From: jimsnell at qwest.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:17:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Cannon headers? Message-ID: <003201c7d20c$bc5f4830$0401000a@DC709T91> Hi - I'm hoping someone might have information on on cannon headers. I purchased Tiger recently and the previous owner said the headers were "cannon headers" and somewhat rare. I've searched and not been able to find any reference to that name. The headers have heat wrap on them and I haven't wanted to unwrap them to see if there are any markings etc. Would appreciate info that anyone might have. Jim From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 29 15:46:29 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:46:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sway bar Message-ID: Years ago Lou Anderson of Vista, CA was offering custom brackets for sway bars. Does anyone know if they are still available? Also, what type of steel should be used in hollow sway bars? Thanks, Mark L. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From actynes at charter.net Sun Jul 29 16:49:06 2007 From: actynes at charter.net (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:49:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine and Transmission Info In-Reply-To: <20070728230954.NWJM8949.mta10.adelphia.net@OfficePC> References: <20070728230954.NWJM8949.mta10.adelphia.net@OfficePC> Message-ID: <004201c7d232$ac36aa90$8a3c5147@DellD4700> Joe Brown asked? I'm trying to find some info about the best combo of 302 (5.0L) engine and 5-speed transmission. I know this has all been discussed before and I tried going to the list archives but I can't find them. Could someone point me in the right direction? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll try to help a little. The 302's switched from flat tappets to rollers in 1985, so I would use that as the earliest blocks to consider. If you want to keep the fuel injection, use the "mass air" type rather than the "speed density" type. That change was made in the late 80's. T-5 transmissions have changed over the years and you choice will depend on your needs. Pre-1985 T-5's had a 2.95 first gear and used gear oil. Later ones, also called "World Class" T-5's, generally used a 3.35 first gear and ATF. Initially both were rated for a little over 250 ft/lbs of torque as I recall. The torque rating increased to around 300 in about 1990. The 1994 and 1995 302's use a different bell housing and a T-5 with a longer input shaft to move the shifter further back in the car. That may or may not be useful with the Tiger, but it usually means the '94 & '95 T-5's are cheaper at the junk yards. The manufacturer of the T-5's has changed a couple of times over the years and now you can get aftermarket versions rated as high as 600 ft/lbs of torque with some options as to the placement of the shift lever. One source you might try is D&D Performance in Michigan. www.ddperformance.com I have no interest in the company. Hope this helps, A.C. Tynes New Orleans From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Sun Jul 29 16:58:46 2007 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:58:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] New owner, Lots of Questions In-Reply-To: <20070726.100805.13527.1@webmail04.lax.untd.com> References: <20070726.100805.13527.1@webmail04.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: Tim, Welcome to the crazy world of Tigering! Congratulations on your acquisition of an early Tiger. Your best reference for restoring to the original condition will be: The Book Of Norman Vol 1, written by Norm Miller. Good luck in finding a copy though; they have been selling on eBay for $600 and up! Posing questions to the list on specific items/conditions will get you many answers, most of them right. You might also want to check out the TigersUnited.com web site. It has archived many, many emails and questions on Tigers and the archives is searchable. I'll leave the specifics to the site editor, Steve Laifman. Keep on Tigering! -- Jim Sencindiver On 7/26/07, un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > > After a very long wait I finally purchased a Tiger. > > B9470149 LRXFE > Color Code #76 Balmoral Gray > Does have to be restored but it's drivable right now, well except for some > brake problems. > I have e mailed Norm Miller and he has verified it is an authentic Tiger, > low > production number and also a unusual color. > I would like to restore it to as close to original as possible. > In the coming months I'm sure I will be posting a lot of questions. Also, > if > anybody lives in New Jersey I would like to hear from them. > Thanks > Tim > B9470149 LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > jd.sencindiver at gmail.com From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Jul 29 19:56:18 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:56:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Sway bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46AD4542.6030608@shaw.ca> Hi Mark, Stock Car Products (http://www.stockcarproducts.com/susp21.htm) use 4140 steel for their bars. They'd probably have all the other widgets available if you chose to go that way... their bars are apparently 37 1/2" end to end, which would probably be borderline too wide for Tiger applications. They might do custom splining if you needed a narrower one. When I was on a budget I made sway bars from 1020 cold rolled solid steel bar, bent using an acetylene torch. I never had one bend or break but since it was a race only application the cycles-to-failure limit was not approached. A friend who drove his swaybar (made in the same way) on the street had it fail after several years. With a bar like that you'd have to consider that it might take a permanent set if you ever hit a big pothole. Theo CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > ... Also, what type of steel > should be used in hollow sway bars? From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Jul 30 07:23:20 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:23:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter Message-ID: I have the headers that block the filter. I went to a local speed shop and got a ninety degree adaptor. I gound it slightly and bent the header slightloy to get about 1/4" air clearance between the two. I was going to use a remote filter and oil cooler. Haven't started the engine with this combo yet, but feel it will work fine. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Jul 30 10:15:05 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:15:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter References: Message-ID: <000d01c7d2c4$cb2e9880$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> I found an adapter on a Ford van that works on my Tiger. While I believe the CAT shop notes mention an early Ford van this was likely an early 80's and might have been a big block at that (frankly I was paying more attention to the shape than the application). Not only does it offer the 90 degree turn, but it kicks out to the side at a slight angle as well. I think I paid $3-$5 at Pick A Part for it. Since I'm running stock manifolds I'm not sure how this works with various headers. However, it does clear the suspension, tires etc. while still making easy access and possibly puts the filter into a wind stream that aids cooling. There was a small amount of filing that I did near the crossmember, but then, my mounts are old too. If anyone has more interest I can send a photo. Tom From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 11:55:39 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] water neck - gasket vs o ring Message-ID: <39a841b0707301055g4f5f14f2t5ef76bf8c5d548f5@mail.gmail.com> quick question - my water neck has a leak so i was just about to order a replacement gasket when i found that there is a choice between using either a gasket or a rubber o-ring. what is the preferred choice? is it possible to use both? thanks. From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 30 12:02:24 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:02:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] water neck - gasket vs o ring References: <39a841b0707301055g4f5f14f2t5ef76bf8c5d548f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have used an aftermarket ford chrome water neck on my mustang before. It came with an o ring and had a grove in the waterneck to accommodate the o ring. The neck sealed fine, and it was a bit more convenient with the grove and o ring to install. Without the grove, I could imagine an o ring would be tough to get centered correctly. Maybe someone who has experience using an o ring on an original style water neck could comment. I doubt you would want to use both, the gap between the oring and gasket would be subject to leaking easier than if you use just one of those. Steve > quick question - my water neck has a leak so i was just about to order > a replacement gasket when i found that there is a choice between using > either a gasket or a rubber o-ring. > > what is the preferred choice? is it possible to use both? From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Jul 30 12:06:11 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:06:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] water neck - gasket vs o ring Message-ID: I doubt that an O-ring would ever seal very well without a groove to hold it in proper position. Mark ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 12:08:52 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] water neck - gasket vs o ring In-Reply-To: References: <39a841b0707301055g4f5f14f2t5ef76bf8c5d548f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0707301108t1d5555d6l3acf24ade945d7a8@mail.gmail.com> i'll buy a whole new neck with o-ring and groove. they are only 12 bucks. thanks. On 7/30/07, Tigerman wrote: > I have used an aftermarket ford chrome water neck on my mustang before. It > came with an o ring and had a grove in the waterneck to accommodate the o > ring. The neck sealed fine, and it was a bit more convenient with the grove > and o ring to install. Without the grove, I could imagine an o ring would > be tough to get centered correctly. Maybe someone who has experience using > an o ring on an original style water neck could comment. > > I doubt you would want to use both, the gap between the oring and gasket > would be subject to leaking easier than if you use just one of those. > > Steve > > > > quick question - my water neck has a leak so i was just about to order > > a replacement gasket when i found that there is a choice between using > > either a gasket or a rubber o-ring. > > > > what is the preferred choice? is it possible to use both? From awtiger at cox.net Mon Jul 30 12:40:42 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:40:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter Message-ID: <29935416.1185820842305.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Tom et al: The oil filter set up you are undoubtedly referring to actually fits a mid-60's Econoline van with a 240 ci 6 cylinder motor. In fact, the part #s for all the pieces are as follows: C5TZ-6881-A (90 deg oil filter adaptor) C5AZ-6894-A (bolt for adaptor) C5AZ-6840-A (adaptor gasket) EAA-6749-A (bolt gasket) EAM-6890-B (threaded insert between adaptor and the block) Years ago, a long-time Tiger owner and good friend of mine from here in Okla. City, Carroll Eeds, submitted a tech tip to the STOA outlining these part #s for the swap in question. In fact, both he and I are still running our "Econoline" filter swaps with no problems. Both of us also run stock exhaust manifolds, although I have run a set of headers with mine before. However, #5 header tube comes dangerously close the filter and could contribute to excessive oil heating. While these part #s are very old, I would imagine that Ford has newer numbers and/or applications that they will cross to. One quick call to your local Ford dealer will reveal that. Keep Tigerin', Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From zimme008 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 13:11:05 2007 From: zimme008 at yahoo.com (Randy Zimmermann) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter In-Reply-To: <29935416.1185820842305.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <508335.50015.qm@web56409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The updated stock number for the insert is: oil filter insert'; Ford Part #F1AZ6890-B. Randy Z. Duluth, MN B382002349 PS. Anyone have a spare bracket for holding the trunk platform in place? I'm in need of another. Thanks. awtiger at cox.net wrote: Tom et al: The oil filter set up you are undoubtedly referring to actually fits a mid-60's Econoline van with a 240 ci 6 cylinder motor. In fact, the part #s for all the pieces are as follows: C5TZ-6881-A (90 deg oil filter adaptor) C5AZ-6894-A (bolt for adaptor) C5AZ-6840-A (adaptor gasket) EAA-6749-A (bolt gasket) EAM-6890-B (threaded insert between adaptor and the block) Years ago, a long-time Tiger owner and good friend of mine from here in Okla. City, Carroll Eeds, submitted a tech tip to the STOA outlining these part #s for the swap in question. In fact, both he and I are still running our "Econoline" filter swaps with no problems. Both of us also run stock exhaust manifolds, although I have run a set of headers with mine before. However, #5 header tube comes dangerously close the filter and could contribute to excessive oil heating. While these part #s are very old, I would imagine that Ford has newer numbers and/or applications that they will cross to. One quick call to your local Ford dealer will reveal that. Keep Tigerin', Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ zimme008 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Jul 30 13:31:14 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter adapter References: <508335.50015.qm@web56409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007a01c7d2e0$322d8620$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> A number of folks have commented on the adapter I am using. It definitely is not the early (60's) Econoline adapter. As best I recall it was a late 70's/early 80's Ford van. Being that I was pulling the adapter from underneath, I never focused on the actual engine (351, 460 ???), but the part number is: E5TE-6884-BA. A Google search found nothing on the number. Anyway, I just through I would throw it out there because it was cheap and I thought the added angle (outward kick) might be an advantage in some configurations. Tom From modtiger at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 13:37:40 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Thermostat Housings Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070730122920.02618260@comcast.net> These are a very nice appearance piece and generally seal quite well with the double cast O-ring seal if your intake has not corroded excessively in this area. They are made from a diecast material that has a limited service life expectancy. I'd advise you to carry one as a spare or change it every three years or so. The normal failure is corrosion through the outside wall with no warning. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 30 13:48:47 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Thermostat Housings References: <7.0.0.16.2.20070730122920.02618260@comcast.net> Message-ID: Any truth to the rumor that I heard that these cheap chrome necks actually act (unintentionally?) as a sacrificial anode? If it is true then having a replacement schedule every few years actually seems beneficial. Steve > These are a very nice appearance piece and generally seal quite well > with the double cast O-ring seal if your intake has not corroded > excessively in this area. They are made from a diecast material that > has a limited service life expectancy. I'd advise you to carry one > as a spare or change it every three years or so. The normal failure > is corrosion through the outside wall with no warning. > > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net From hamilton123 at mcleodusa.net Mon Jul 30 13:49:39 2007 From: hamilton123 at mcleodusa.net (John Hamilton) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Differental cover Gasket Message-ID: <46AE40D3.7070606@mcleodusa.net> I need to know what part number the gasket for the differental cover on a 1966 Tiger would be. Also who would carry one. Mine is leaking and I would like to find a new one. John Hamilton, Cedar Rapids, IA From wwwdg at webtv.net Mon Jul 30 18:32:55 2007 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:32:55 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Differental cover Gasket Message-ID: Any parts store will have a Dana 44 rear end cover gasket, just ask for a Jeep Dana 44 gasket (almost all early jeeps used Dana 44 rear ends) You could also ask for an International Scout rear end gasket. Part numbers might be: Dana #18434, Fel Pro #RDS 6629, Spicer #8122409. These are old numbers they might have been superseded. David Franchi From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Mon Jul 30 18:48:45 2007 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:48:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Cannon headers Message-ID: Jim, Over the years I had 4 sets of Cannon header on my Tiger and although they have large tubes, they are not well designed for City driving. They reside too low and if you drop a tire in a chuckhole (and are lucky enough to not do other damage) you will mash the pipes flat. At the time, JC Whitney was the only source for headers and that's where I got mine (they still send me catalogs). I have no clue if they are still available there. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Carmods at aol.com Tue Jul 31 06:59:21 2007 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:59:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger headers Message-ID: JC Whitney is still in business but no longer sells headers for Tigers. J Logan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Jul 31 07:06:43 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:06:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger headers Message-ID: JC Whitney is still in business but no longer sells headers for Tigers. J Logan Wonder why? There must be huge demand for Tiger headers:-) Mark L. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From hamilton123 at mcleodusa.net Tue Jul 31 10:23:59 2007 From: hamilton123 at mcleodusa.net (John Hamilton) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:23:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Gasket question Message-ID: <46AF621F.5090608@mcleodusa.net> Thanks to all who replied to my Tiger rear end gasket question. It is all installed now. John Hamilton From banana111 at msn.com Tue Jul 31 15:09:18 2007 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:09:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Thermostat Housings Message-ID: I had one rot throught after 4 years. With out warning it blew out and made a big mess. I put a zinc anode in the system to see if it would prolong the life of this thing. Brent B9471023 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:37:40 -0700 From: Tom Hall Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Thermostat Housings To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070730122920.02618260 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" These are a very nice appearance piece and generally seal quite well with the double cast O-ring seal if your intake has not corroded excessively in this area. They are made from a diecast material that has a limited service life expectancy. I'd advise you to carry one as a spare or change it every three years or so. The normal failure is corrosion through the outside wall with no warning. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Tue Jul 31 15:38:44 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Next Dyno Day - new bolt on Horsepower adder for stock Tiger aircleaner assemblies Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF070D0218@norn32.d30.intra> Guys, I have a real itch'in to try a new product that was patented by Professional Products. I just had 2 sent to me for trial on cars at the next dyno day which I believe will be in the September-October time frame, one is for no choke horn and the other is for Holley carbs with a stock chock horn assembly. The new product is called an "Airflo" and may improve the rather horrendous airflow within the stock Tiger air cleaner assembly by helping air navigate the rather sharp turn into the carb. The guys at Professional Products have had some rather great feedback and they claim to have personally had GREAT success in finding HP with these items. They sent me 2 free to try at our next So Cal Dyno Day so guys I will be packin' and lets see of we can get another 10HP out of a car with no other changes.. Here is the web link to the product. http://www.professional-products.com/airflo.html I have not tried this yet myself but have a strong desire to see if we can attain any benefit. I do recall picking up a verified 8HP with a K&N stub stack inside a stock holley carb back in the early 1990's Whoever it is that sets up the dyno day at Superior Automotive can you be sure to give me some notice so I can arrange to be there with my Tiger and my Wife's 331 powered '91 Mustang. Typically, I find out too late to arrange my schedule so I would like to help plan this event if I can. Typically we do a Spring and Fall Dyno day so I was wondering if we could. I will also build a jig to "de-flatten" the factory air filter and gain a little clearance that way. I have done this to mine and as I recall gained about half an inch in height. I am VERY careful but you might not want to watch me do it :-). Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Jul 31 16:08:56 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:08:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Next Dyno Day - new bolt on Horsepower adder for stock Tiger air... Message-ID: I'll be curious to see the results too. One thing I always question on advertisements such as these is giving an expected numerical increase. I would imagine 10 HP is much easier to find on a car that already has 400 HP (2.5% increase). Now 10 HP on a 164 HP (6.1% increase)Tiger would really be something. mark ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Tue Jul 31 16:17:45 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:17:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Next Dyno Day - new bolt on Horsepower adder for stock Tiger air... Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF070D0287@norn32.d30.intra> I agree about the 10 HP number but what I have found is the opposite in that it seems that typically I have found great gains on non-optimized systems with diminishing returns on more sorted out combinations. Explains the exponential approach to $$$ and extra HP. Regardless, the guys at Performance Products were very willing to get feedback and I tried to buy 2 and they said take them and try them for ourselves. They were insistent that regardless of the feedback good or bad to let them know. Of course if it is good they would like that better but they said it is one of those real world products that is supremely simple. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net ________________________________ From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:09 PM To: Ronak, TP (Timothy); tigers at autox.team.net Cc: tigcat2 at juno.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Next Dyno Day - new bolt on Horsepower adder for stock Tiger air... I'll be curious to see the results too. One thing I always question on advertisements such as these is giving an expected numerical increase. I would imagine 10 HP is much easier to find on a car that already has 400 HP (2.5% increase). Now 10 HP on a 164 HP (6.1% increase)Tiger would really be something. mark ________________________________ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com . From parlanti at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 18:13:42 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:13:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pulley In-Reply-To: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF070D0218@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <000001c7d3d0$d2591420$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Listers, I ran across a water pump pulley in a box of my spare parts and was wondering if it's anything special, or useful. The pulley is a single groove type with a square hat and is marked "75 Monarch". I assume that it came from a Mercury Monarch of that vintage, but does it represent anything that would be beneficial to Tiger cooling? Thanks, Joe Parlanti B382000026 From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Jul 31 18:28:20 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headers... Message-ID: <46AFD3A4.4050206@mayfco.com> Here lately there has bee some chatter regarding using an oil filter adapter to clear everything. Mostly the long tube original Jerry Bellanger style headers. HAs anyone used block hugger type headers to clear the motor mounts and free up some space in front of the mounts? I use that to feed the turbos on the race car, but that is a whole different ball game. I think they are pretty cheap and maybe when I have a chance to get some from summit or? I will see if they will fit my car. I have the old style headers now with jet hot coating and that is pretty cool looking. But more room is always better.. may, way off and far out in pahrump, nv From CMcCann at lwpb.com Mon Jul 30 07:25:22 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine and Transmission Info In-Reply-To: <004201c7d232$ac36aa90$8a3c5147@DellD4700> References: <20070728230954.NWJM8949.mta10.adelphia.net@OfficePC> <004201c7d232$ac36aa90$8a3c5147@DellD4700> Message-ID: I'm pretty new to the Tiger scene, but I've had mustangs forever so I'll try to supplement A.C.'s info some. A few points to mention are that the speed density change that occurred was from 1986 to 1987. Typically, although not always, the mass air setups are regarded as better performance potential. You can even buy an aftermarket mass air converstion kit to change out your speed density car. This will require a new computer/ecm. The mass air does however require a meter that will be slightly more obtrusive for the intake setup than the speed density direction. Keep in mind also that the factory upper and lower intake setup on a mustang will not by any means fit on a tiger without major firewall modifications. You can change to an injector in manifold setup with a throttle body setup like the old edelbrock tb injection. This will keep you away from the firewall much like a 4 barrel carb. You could also use a 90 degree elbow to direct the mustang style throttle body away from the intake. These are available in many finishes aftermarket. Also with the change to the roller cam setup came the addition of factory forged pistons and a steel crank shaft. This should be avaible from 1985 all the way up to 1992. 1993 mustangs and also lincoln mark VII lsc's)DID NOT receive the forged pistons in 1993, but instead received a hypereutectic piston which changed the alloy in the piston to be composed of 25% more silicon, reducing the strength of the piston. I'm not sure what the motivation ford had to do this but it should be noted that the piston is not as strong as the forged type. May be slightly stronger or equal to a traditional cast piston. The transmisson info that A.C. gave is also correct. The higher torgue rating for the t5's around 1990 was due to a "steel bearing retainer" rather than the aluminum one it had up to that time. You can convert a non world class t5 to a wc t5 with the right rebuild kit and the steel bearing retainer. In conclusion, the best efi 302 5.0 high output and t5 combo, without having to upgrade anything, would come from a mustang in the years 1990-1992. this setup will give you the best of everything if you are planning on building some real serious horspower. I have run a supercharged 5.0 on a mustang all the way up to 14 lbs of boost and 500 horse on a daily driver street car and put 75 thousand miles on it, with a stock shortblock and never had problems. The motors are really strong, and the parts are readily available for it. factory horsepower rating by the way for this setup was 225 horse. 275 horse can be easily achieved with only a few hundred dollars worth of bolt ons and removal of certain factory components. It should also be noted that as I mentioned the lincoln mk VII, lsc only, received the same motor setup in the same years as the aforementioned mustang. I have found that this donor vehicle is often a cheaper place to locate a h.o. 5.0, because of its lesser known appreciation for performance. Often these motors arent as worn out also. You wont however find a t5 in a lincoln, or at least I've never seen one. Only automatics with overdrive. Also note that the same years in pickups and maybe some passenger cars may have the roller cam, but didn't receive any of the goodies in the rotating assembly, so steer clear of those. If you are planning to build 350-400 horse, you should set your mind on the high strength setup. If you are content with more like 250-300, which in a light tiger will be still quite a bit, then the lesser built setups may work well for you, and will likely be cheaper. If you shop carefully you should be able to buy a rebuildable engine and transmission combo pulled from a mustang for less than a thousand bucks. Good luck, hope this helps. Cullen McCann, oklahoma city B382001452 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~