[Spridgets] SCCA Racing Spridget For Sale
stanbmason at aol.com
stanbmason at aol.com
Tue Jul 16 14:13:01 MDT 2024
Gary,
Wow, I did not know that CVAR eliminated HP. As you know we have a strong SCCA HP class, which is 2E VSCDA. We have 6 that race in our group. I am going and I know several others 2Es that are going. This event is gaining a lot of National interest and I expect more 948s.
In regard to other more modified cars, Jeff Porada is right. We try to accommodate most cars and if they meet VSCDA and 2972 GCR Requirements they will be in the more Vintage Classes of 2E Bug Eyes for 948 and 2D Square Bodies for 1275
I have listed our Rules and Regulations for Sprite Midget Race Series below:
2024 VSCDA SpriteMidget Race Series Rules and Regulations
(Revision 6/23/24)
I. Objective: Increase numbers for Racing Spridgets @ VSCDAEvents by having:
A. More cars, which, will allowmore wheel to wheel racing safely within Spridget Classes (with classes forvarious levels of preparation).
B. Continued tradition establishedby Thickos through camaraderie and group get together (cook out lunch Saturdayand Sunday, British Pub Saturday evening when a 3 day race weekend along withtechnical and moral support through group).
C. Series Points developed fromEarlier Vintage Vee model. Including durability (laps completed) from 1stSprint Race, Fastest time from 1st Qualification Race and Position for SpridgetRace in a best 2 out of 3 race weekends identified in series.
D. To embrace vintage sports carracing philosophy and etiquette of VSCDA’s Driver Policy with an emphasis onSafety.
E. Encourage street Austin Healeys& MGs as spectators by offering special parking near our Spridget Compoundinviting them to join in the fun and encourage track touring session andassisting as crew.
Note: Revisions to this document will be highlighted in yellow sochanges from previous documents can be seen more easily. Date of revision willbe listed at top of document.
II. VSCDA Sprite Midget Point Races 2024:
A. Gingerman May 4 & 5 – (May 2&3 DriverSchool)
B. Blackhawk Classic June 14-16
C. Grattan Grand Finale August 9-11
III. Racing Classes per VSCDA / SCCA (1972 Classifications Guidelinesfor Points and Awards) Revamp with 1972 GCR / PCS Focus. Our intent isto have anyone interested in racing a Vintage Spridget to join us. This is adouble edge sword since an individual may have their own personal opinion ofwhy they think they should or should not be in a certain class. Vintage Racinghas many clubs throughout the US and Canada with different criteria than ours.We have 3 levels within 3 classes that should allow anyone interested in racingto have a place to compete with other similar prepared racing Spridgets. Werecognize that everyone has an opinion of what is fair, based on their logic.We have tried to make that more defined by 1972 SCCA GCR Specificationsdetailed, which is a VSCDA requirement. We would like to encourage placing theproper designation on your car & when you register.
IV. SMRS 1972 SCCA GCR / PCS Highlight of Requirements.
A. Background: VSCDA definesRegulations for Group 2 cars like our Sprites and Midgets from the VSCDAWebsite and updated 3/28/22 titled TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR RACE CARS:
B. VSCDA - SCCA 1967 General CompetitionRules Appendix A/Article. Production Category Sports Cars (w/PCS sheets) andafter review, 1972 and prior cars homologated to similar regulations publishedby FIA and some other sanctioning bodies.
C. Objective: Now that we have acopy of SCCA’s 1972 GCR /PCS rev 1/73 we actually have facts on what wasrequired then vs what we heard or thought it might be. This document isavailable to anyone that would like an electronic copy. The goal for thisdocument is to highlight requirements as of 1972 GCR that would impact SquareBody Sprites and Midgets on common areas of misunderstanding. For the sake ofcommonality and consensus within our group Mk1 Bug Eyes will also follow 1972GCR requirements, which is consistent with VSCDA requirements.
D. 1972 SCCA GCR Highlights (thefollowing highlights are for those wanting to run in ERA Correct 2E Bug Eye or2D Square Body class). Comments are in ( ) for clarification:
a. Interior:
i.Instrument panel (maybe altered if weight is not reduced see GCR)
ii. Interior trim – Removal ofinterior trim except door panels
iii. Seats – Driver seat maybereplaced. Passenger seat maybe removed.
b. Exterior:
i. Grills may not be removed
ii. Front signal light, lenses,bulbs must be removed and opening can be used for venting brakes with maximum ¼in wire mesh
iii. Headlight openings must becovered if not used for ducting air and must be metal, fiberglass etc.
iv. Spoilers are permissible, butminimal (see additional details 1972 GCR)
v. Fenders maybe altered only toprovide for tire clearance, provided that the fender opening profile, viewedfrom the side of the automobile is not changed. vi. Safety fuel tanks must beplace close to original position.
c. Tires, Wheels, Suspension:
i. Wheels maybe 1.5 inches widerthan specified. Wheels may not exceed +/- 2 inches track dimension. Center lockwheels and hubs is permitted within this track restriction (wire wheelcondition), (square bodied cars in the later years had 4.5 inch wide rims so upto 6 inch wide rim is possible)
d. Engine Compartment:
i. Battery – make or size ofbattery provided its voltage and location remains unchanged
ii. Generator / Alternator –Standard maybe replaced with generator or alternator of different make or sizeas long as location and drive are the same. iii. Velocity stack and or cold airbox maybe used
iv. Transmission / Rear Axle –ratios as specified by SCCA (PCS) Straight Cut Close Ratio accepted withdesignated ratios (these ratios were BMC’s Straight Cut Close Ratios)
1972 SCCA Highlights:
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SCCA Class
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HP 948
(VSCDA 2E)
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GP 1098
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FP 1275
(VSCDA 2D)
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Carburation
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2 X 1.25 SUs
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2 X 1.25 SUs
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2 X 1.25 SUs
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Front Brakes
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8.2 in dia solid disc
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8.2 in dia solid disc
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8.2 in dia solid disc
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Rear Brakes
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7 inch drum
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7 inch drum
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7 inch drum
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Additional details available uponrequest through scanned copies of 1972 SCCA GCR/PCS
V. VSCDA has exceptions that override SCCA 1972 GCR/PCS requirements,which can be implemented:
A. Page 6 VSCDA “Maximum overbore0.060”, standard stroke”
B. Page 6 VSCDA “Weight on PCS,minus 5% tolerance” (these weights are found in VSCDA GCR section of Website)
C. Page 8 VSCDA “Roller rockers arepermitted”
D. Page 9 VSCDA “Electronicignitions triggered from the distributor are allowed. The make of thedistributor is free, provided installation does not require any modificationsto the engine. Crankshaft triggering is specifically prohibited.”
E. Tire Specification requirementper VSCDA 8/1/2020: Group 2: VintageProduction Production cars: Avon: CR6ZZ, ACB9 only (ACB10 not permitted) BFG:G-Force Sport Dunlop: L or M-series; Formula Ford (9092) Falken: RT615KGoodyear: Vintage Blue streak, as appropriate Hankook: Z212, Z213 Hoosier:Street TD, TD S, Vintage TD, VFF, Speedster, Super Chain Link Kumho: V700Nitto: NT-01 Toyo: Proxes RA1, R888, R888R Vredestein: Sprint Classic, Sportrac5 Yokohama: A008R, A032R Minimum marked aspect ratio of 60, tread depth musthave 2/32" remaining at all times. Certain unlisted tires MAY be allowedon a case by case basis. All exceptions must be pre-approved, noted in logbookand will only be considered in special cases.
G. Mod 1 & Mod 2Specifications:
a. If you do not comply with 1972SCCA GCR and or PCS than you are not in 2E or 2D classification and will beplaced in Mod 1 or 2 classification.
b. I was not able to transfer theMod 1 & 2 section into this document (please see that VSCDA chart on Page 7under Group 2 MOD Preparation.
The above SMRS requirements were prepared in 2017 by StanMason and approved by (Buzz Merchlewitz, Thad Evans, John Deikis and DougBruce). Since that time additional itemshave been added for more clarity. Acheck off list is also available from Stan Mason for assisting with classifyingyour car by yourself. If you are new to our groupplease request the check off list you can fill out and return to Stan Mason.
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VSCDA Sprite / Midget Minimum Weight Requirement weight in pounds (all fluids and without gas)
(reference 6.25 lbs. per gallon of gasoline at 72 degrees F)
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Model / Sanction
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SCCA
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VSCDA (2E/2D)Production 95%
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VSCDA Mod 1
90%
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VSCDA Mod 2
85%
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Bug Eye
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1408
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1338
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1267
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1197
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Square Body
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1478
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1404
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1330
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1256
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Overall macro summary of differences in Spridgetclassifications for guidelines:
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Sprite Mk1 (Bug Eye)
or base chassis for specialty Sprites
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Sprite Mk2-5/ Midget Mk1-4 (Square Body)
or base chassis for specialty Sprites 1275
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2E = VSCDA ERA Correct Production Sports Car, 1972 SCCA GCR/PCS compliant, 948 Block, <996cc, steel body car, door panels, lever shocks, 2x1.25 SUs
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2D = VSCDA ERA Correct Production Sports Car, 1972 SCCA GCR/PCS compliant, 1275 Block, <1326cc, steel body car, door panels, lever shocks, 2x1.25 SUs
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2M1 = Steel body car, 1275 block, <1326cc Weber or other non-stock carb, stock brakes per 1972 GCR, rear tube shocks only
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2M1 = Steel body car, 1275 block, <1326cc Weber or other non-stock carb, stock brakes per 1972 GCR, rear tube shocks only
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2M2 = Same as 2M1 including fiberglass body parts, rear disc brakes, tubular shocks, alloy head, A-Arm shock support, Dog Box Transmission
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2M2 = Same as 2M1 including fiberglass body parts, rear disc brakes, tubular shocks, alloy head, A-Arm shock support, Dog Box Transmission
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Sprite Mk2-5/ Midget Mk1-4 (Square Body)
or base chassis for specialty Sprites 1098
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1098 = Same as above, but with 1098 +.060
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GT/ Prototype
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GT/ Prototype
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2UP = GT / Prototype Class including Speedwell, WSM (Period Fiberglass Bodies) with<1100cc engine, rear disc brakes. No weight requirement.
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2UP = GT / Prototype Class including Speedwell, WSM, Arkley (Period Fiberglass Bodies) with<1100cc engine, rear disc brakes. No weight requirement.
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2OP = Same as 2UP with 1275cc Block, <1383cc, no weight requirement
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2OP = Same as 2UP with 1275cc Block, <1383cc, no weight requirement
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VI. Race Series Points 2024 awarded from accumulation of 2 ofthe 3 designated races of Gingerman, Black Hawk Farms, and Grattan.
A. 1st Sprint Race (DurabilityPoints per class) represent 1/3 of total points during race weekend. The FirstSprint Race is usually held on Saturday (maximum 8 points). If a racercompletes less than the most completed laps available by a similar class racerthe results will be based on a percentage of that 8 points rounded up. These points reward endurance. If the classsession has less than 8 laps and a competitor completed all laps available theywill be awarded 8 points.
B. 1st Qualification (Fastest Timeper class): Points are awarded per C below except based on fastest time.
C. Sprite Midget Exclusive Race(Finishing Position per class): Points are awarded based on finishing position.First (8 points), Second (7), Third (6), Fourth (5), Fifth (4), Sixth (3),Seventh (2) & all other finishers (1). If there are more than 8 racers in class the minimumpoints awarded are 1.
D. A racer can accumulate up to 16points for Qualification and Sprint Race along with additional points for theFeature Race or Exclusive Sprite Midget Race. The maximum points awarded perrace weekend would be 24. The maximum accumulated in the best 2 out of 3 serieswould be 48 points.
E. A driver will not receive pointsfor a session in which they were involved in an on track incident resulting ina disciplinary action from the VSCDA Drivers Committee.
F. If a driver enters all 4eligible race weekends he or she can throw out the worst weekends, which willallow any mechanical or other issues to be discounted. Final results will betallied from the 2 weekends with the most accumulated points unless otherwise notifiedby racer.
G. An overall winner will beselected regardless of class based on a perfect score of 48 points from 2 raceweekends. If more than one racer has highest points accumulated it will beconsidered an overall winner tie.
H. Awards will be presented atGrattan per the above Class Categories at the end of the last Group 2 race.
I. These awards are in the spiritof Vintage Sports Car Philosophy recognizing fun and durability by completingthe most laps per race weekend contributing 1/3 of total available.
V. Race Series Special Awards (these awards will be determinedby drivers and crew and awarded with end of season awards):
A. Gary Kropf Spirit Award for Vintage Spridgets (Traveling LargePiston Award). Criteria:
1. Fast, safe, courteous driver,(promotes the “vintage spirit”)
2. Assists others within thepaddock – repairs, parts, advice. Willing to jump into help and assist otherSpridget make the next session.
3. Quick to organize groupactivity – brats for lunch “all pork weekend”, watching other group races, fromthe best vantage points, coordinating seating at dinner, etc.
4. Volunteers with the VSCDA oncommittees, and sub-committees
B. Jim Donato Sprite Midget Race Series Most Respected Driver Award(Traveling Steering Wheel in a display case Award) Criteria:
1. Predictable / Trusted (usesmirrors, points faster cars by, passes safely and allows others room to pass andis always a defensive driver over winning at all cost), stays on racing lineexcept when car failures would leave fluids on track or safety is a concern)
2. Objective: Listens to othersand approaches other drivers that they may have an issue with in an open and fair way. Can sitdown with any driver and feel comfortable that they did the right thing when onthe track.
3. Observant: Looks forward toobserve incidents and flag stations, inspects car between sessions for safetyto avoid causing accidents to others on track.
4. Respectful: Avoids Red Mist,which is identified as an emotional win at all costs attitude and maintainsVintage Spirit Philosophy.
VI. Abbreviations andclarifications:
GCR = SCCA General CompetitionRules
PCS = SCCA Production CarSpecifications
ERA Correct = 1972 SCCA GCR forGroup 2 Production Sports Car Class (Bug Eye & Square Body). Up until thistime we have only had 1275 engines for Square Bodies. Other considerations willbe made if 1098 or later 1500cc race cars join us.
M1= Modification Preparation (Thisclass is for Spridgets more slightly modified beyond ERA correct including allBug Eyes over 1098cc and or additional weight reductions of 10%)
M2= Modification Preparation (Thisidentifies Spridgets more highly modified beyond M1 with more recent SCCA racedcars and or additional weight reduction of 15%)
VII. Misc:
This document is a “Work InProgress” and can be expected to change in the future based on understandingother Vintage Group requirements and our own consensus of what seems reasonableamong our group. We are open to any thoughts of how to improve this fun VintageSpridget Racing series. This series is for fun on and off the track. There is aclass for every level of preparation. Please contact Stan Mason =StanBMason at AOL.com. This is open to anyone interested in Vintage Racing aSpridget with us and of course it includes our typical joint cookout for allattendees usually Saturday and Saturday Lunch.
VIII. VSCDA Sprite Midget RaceSeries
I will post results, updates,photos and revisions to rules through our e-mail distribution list if I haveyour e-mail address. There is also additional up to date details and pics onour VSCDA website under Racing Tab / Events / Sprite Midget Series. If you have friends that would be interestedin being updated on this race series please let me know their E-Mail Address.VSCDA continues to do a great job promoting our series through theiradvertisements and exclusive races through Vintage Sports Car Publications.
A. Sprite Midget Race SeriesSticker (provided by Cana and Colin Comer) and Class Letters are available for$10, Jeff Carloss has Series Posters for $10, which all go to help support theseries. We will have these items available at Gingerman, Blackhawk and Grattanfor anyone that is interested. The funds received from theseitems support our end of year awards.
B. We are always looking forsponsors. Please mention thatopportunity to others you know and suppliers of parts. We are always interested in anyone that wouldlike to fully or partially support our Series. If you would like to be moreinvolved in our group and would like to have a special project or positionplease let me know. This group will only continue to be successful if we haveothers that are willing to contribute and lead. Thank you for your interest,support and participation, corrections and suggestions are always welcomed! Pleaseforgive my grammar. Ask for latestrevision to make sure you have the latest changes.
Stan Mason
On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 12:42:53 PM EDT, Ed Forrest <edwforrest at gmail.com> wrote:
How nice to see a "steel wheel" car. BTW...I have a set of widened and reinforced 13x5 steel wheels...if anyone is interested...edwforrest at gmail.com
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 2:39 PM Gary.perser <gary.perser at gmail.com> wrote:
I think “old H Prod cars” (SCCA ‘72 GCR/PCS) are already welcomed by VSCDA in Class 2E. CVAR killed class H Prod several years ago, and I have the only surviving car. I hope that I’m going to have some other 948 Bugeyes to race with at RA in Sept. It’s a really long tow from Texas and I don’t want to be the Lone Ranger like in 2019.
On Jul 15, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Erick Zanner <ezanner at gmail.com> wrote:
No axe to grind here but several cars that I raced against back in my VSCDA days had glass bonnets and boot lids. I would suggest let the car run as M1 or M2 but on Dunlop treaded Street TD’s (?) to negate the slicks advantage. We mayBe at a point to where old H prod cars need tobe welcomed. Take advantage of it!EZ
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 12:43 PM jeffrey porada <wc at spridget.com> wrote:
Just for some clarification… As I’m understanding it, if it fits the 1972 rules, it goes under 2E or 2D and if it’s got larger flares or modifications that are not 1972 correct they are welcome to join but are classed as M1 or M2? I have customers asking me these questions all the time and from what it seems in the group, you all are very welcoming and just want more cars involved, but I get some customers that have a car that was built in the 80’s and seem to think they wouldn’t be able to run with us. I want to make sure I’m clear before I go telling them things that aren’t correct.
It’s been a learning curve for us in getting a happy race car. We’re rebuilding the engine from the Gingerman weekend currently and are working on ways to test it before I get to spend another weekend chasing leaks and blown head gaskets.
Thanks for the help and see you all at Road America!!!
Jeff Porada
On Jul 15, 2024, at 12:20 PM, stanbmason at aol.com wrote:
I am passing this information. My personal opinion is that this is a to highly modified Spridget for Vintage Racing.
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Mike Westerfield <mwesterfield at gowestech.com>To: stanbmason at aol.com <stanbmason at aol.com>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 at 10:27:03 AM EDTSubject: Spridget
Stan:
I bought this roller from Don Feller years ago with the intention of building a vintage spridget. It’s a roller (no engine or transmission) and is disassembled. Don’s son raced it as a limited prep midget in SCCA.
Welded differential
5-gallon fuel cell
Fuel pumps
Steel hood, trunk and fenders
Fiberglass hood, truck and fenders
Typical analog gauges
I’d like to get $1,500 for it all but open to reasonable offers.
Let me know if you need more information or more pictures (I photographed all the parts prior to disassembling)
Thanks for your help, Stan.
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From: stanbmason at aol.com <stanbmason at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 12:38 PM
To: Mike Westerfield <mwesterfield at gowestech.com>
Subject: Re: VSCDA Group 2 M1 and M2
Mike,
If you want to put a price and details on your Spridget I can send out in my Distribution List
Stan
On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 01:37:47 PM EDT, Mike Westerfield <mwesterfield at gowestech.com> wrote:
BTW, I do have a spridget rolling chassis if you know anyone that would be interested in it.
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Currently disassembled.
Michael J. Westerfield
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From:stanbmason at aol.com <stanbmason at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 12:55 PM
To: Mike Westerfield <mwesterfield at gowestech.com>
Subject: Re: VSCDA Group 2 M1 and M2
Mike,
Thanks for your interest. Do you have a racing Spridget?
If you go to VSCDA's website you will find more details: Technical-Requirements-for-Race-Cars-2022.pdf (vscda.org)
We have a SMRS (Sprite Midget Race Series) and we have some additional clarification where we use SCCA 1972 GCR and exceptions that VSCDA specify. These are true Vintage Cars that fit in 2E or 2D. If they deviate from that then they are in M1 or M2. One of our problems is when Racers register, they can put whatever is their opinion of what they think they are. I have attached our SMRS Rules and Regulations and is what we use to calculate point per class:
If you have any other questions please let me know.
Stan Mason
On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:53:38 AM EDT, Mike Westerfield <mwesterfield at gowestech.com> wrote:
Stan:
Could you explain the car specifications for Classes M1 and M2 in VSCDA Group 2, or point me to the appropriate resource?
Thanks
Michael J. Westerfield
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