From miniac7 at aol.com Thu Nov 2 06:45:59 2023 From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 12:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Healey 2024 Elkhart Lake / Road America and Conclave In-Reply-To: <803014447.700506.1698762854126@mail.yahoo.com> References: <672733074.1041016.1698761719390.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <672733074.1041016.1698761719390@mail.yahoo.com> <803014447.700506.1698762854126@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1208133378.1225643.1698929159429@mail.yahoo.com> The dates that have been identified are:?Sep 13-15 VSCDA Fall Vintage Festival??Sep 15-19 Austin Healey Conclave??Howard Collins In a message dated 10/31/2023 11:17:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:? ?I wouldn't miss it. See you there, at both events !?Howard CollinsVa Beach, VA.? In a message dated 10/31/2023 10:16:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:? Spridgets,?I wanted to give everyone a heads up for next year's Vintage Racing and more!? Many of you may have heard that there was the possibility of a combined Vintage Race and Conclave overlapping with VSCDA's mid-September Elkhart Lake / Road America event.? Well it has been confirmed.? On the race side of this equation there will be a special Sunday Austin Healey Race on the same day that the Austin Healey Conclave starts for the kick off of their week and then runs for the next several days.? This should be really exciting with many Big and Small World Class Healeys racing along with street & display cars.? The Conclave is the Austin Healey Club of America's annual get together in various parts of the US.? Next year it will be in Elkhart Lake / Road America / Sheboygan Wisconsin area. The Conclave typically has displays, rallyes, solo events, banquets and car shows just to mention a few.? If you have any questions or concerns please let me know and I will share those with others running these events.? I am tentatively going to plan on being there for both events.? I will share more details as they become available.?Stan Mason------------------------ spridgets at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation: $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets? http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/miniac7 at aol.com ------------------------ spridgets at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation: $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets? http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/miniac7 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevewilliamsclu at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 05:49:41 2023 From: stevewilliamsclu at yahoo.com (Steve Williams) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Floor Color References: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> Good morning, Can anyone tell me if the Bugeyes came from the factory with the underside of the floors (undercarriage) painted the color of the car, or were they black? Thanks! Steve Williams From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 07:31:53 2023 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (Dave and Terri Woerpel) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 08:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Floor Color In-Reply-To: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> References: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, According to several sources when I restored mine, the entire shell was body color except for the inside of the boot(trunk) and sides were left in red oxide primer. Some body color overspray may be present. The boot floor was body color. The front "dumb irons"(frame extensions) in front of radiator as well as the front facing of the radiator vertical supports are said to have been painted in non-gloss black. The black on the frame extensions stops at the base of the radiator supports. Again there was, probably, some black overspray beyond the support, although not much. Very few people spray the black because they can't bring themselves to spray over a wonderful new paint job! What say the rest of the group? Regards, Dave W '59 :() '59 MGA 1500 Waukesha WI "Pay It Forward" On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 7:22 AM Steve Williams via Spridgets < spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > Good morning, > > Can anyone tell me if the Bugeyes came from the factory with the underside > of the floors (undercarriage) painted the color of the car, or were they > black? Thanks! > > Steve Williams > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dtwoerpel at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refisk at chartermi.net Fri Nov 3 07:50:11 2023 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 09:50:11 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Floor Color In-Reply-To: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> References: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have two Bugeyes that have never been painted underneath. Both are body color underneath. > On Nov 3, 2023, at 8:12?AM, Steve Williams via Spridgets wrote: > > ?Good morning, > > Can anyone tell me if the Bugeyes came from the factory with the underside of the floors (undercarriage) painted the color of the car, or were they black? Thanks! > > Steve Williams > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net From stevewilliamsclu at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 07:52:46 2023 From: stevewilliamsclu at yahoo.com (Steve Williams) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Floor Color In-Reply-To: References: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <764831441.2793926.1699019566337@mail.yahoo.com> That jives with the talk I just had with the Bugeye Guys. Thanks! Steve Williams On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 09:50:24 AM EDT, Rick Fisk wrote: I have two Bugeyes that have never been painted underneath.? Both are body color underneath. > On Nov 3, 2023, at 8:12?AM, Steve Williams via Spridgets wrote: > > ?Good morning, > > Can anyone tell me if the Bugeyes came from the factory with the underside of the floors (undercarriage) painted the color of the car, or were they black? Thanks! > > Steve Williams > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets? http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevewilliamsclu at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 07:53:09 2023 From: stevewilliamsclu at yahoo.com (Steve Williams) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Floor Color In-Reply-To: References: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1398628794.2815904.1699019589106@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for your input. Steve Williams On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 09:32:05 AM EDT, Dave and Terri Woerpel wrote: Steve,According to several sources when I restored mine, the entire shell was body color except for the inside of the boot(trunk) and sides were left in red oxide primer.? Some body color overspray may be present.? The boot floor was body color.? The front "dumb irons"(frame extensions) in front of radiator as well as the front facing of the radiator vertical supports are said to have been painted in non-gloss black. The black on the frame extensions stops at the base of the radiator supports.? Again there was, probably, some black overspray beyond the support, although not much.? Very few people spray the black because they can't bring themselves to spray over a wonderful new paint job!What say the rest of the group?Regards, Dave W'59 :()'59 MGA 1500Waukesha WI? "Pay It Forward" On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 7:22 AM Steve Williams via Spridgets wrote: Good morning, Can anyone tell me if the Bugeyes came from the factory with the underside of the floors (undercarriage) painted the color of the car, or were they black? Thanks! Steve Williams ------------------------ spridgets at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation: $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets? http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dtwoerpel at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 07:58:55 2023 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (David Woerpel) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 08:58:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Floor Color In-Reply-To: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> References: <921431297.2766788.1699012181988.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <921431297.2766788.1699012181988@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <377c04e8-d399-406a-be0d-f39fc13a24d6@gmail.com> Steve, Forgot to mention, besides being in primer the sides of the boot were covered with a "fiberboard" panel.? At the front face of the suspension cross-member was in black Terry Horler's book "Original Sprites and Midgets" (mine is 1994 edition page 47) states those black parts were "flashed over in black", which I interpret as a light coat with no masking off and just enough to cover the body color. Dave W '59 :{) '59 MGA 1500 Waukesha WI "Pay It Forward" On 11/3/2023 6:49 AM, Steve Williams via Spridgets wrote: > Good morning, > > Can anyone tell me if the Bugeyes came from the factory with the underside of the floors (undercarriage) painted the color of the car, or were they black? Thanks! > > Steve Williams > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dtwoerpel at gmail.com From refisk at chartermi.net Fri Nov 3 13:00:40 2023 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 15:00:40 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Floor Color In-Reply-To: <377c04e8-d399-406a-be0d-f39fc13a24d6@gmail.com> References: <377c04e8-d399-406a-be0d-f39fc13a24d6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here are the cardboard panels on my unrestored '59. You can also see the reddish brown primer that was used inside the boot. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 75653 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 85551 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > On Nov 3, 2023, at 10:45?AM, David Woerpel via Spridgets wrote: > > ?Steve, > Forgot to mention, besides being in primer the sides of the boot were covered with a "fiberboard" panel. At the front face of the suspension cross-member was in black Terry Horler's book "Original Sprites and Midgets" (mine is 1994 edition page 47) states those black parts were "flashed over in black", which I interpret as a light coat with no masking off and just enough to cover the body color. > > Dave W > '59 :{) > '59 MGA 1500 > Waukesha WI > > "Pay It Forward" > > > >> On 11/3/2023 6:49 AM, Steve Williams via Spridgets wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> Can anyone tell me if the Bugeyes came from the factory with the underside of the floors (undercarriage) painted the color of the car, or were they black? Thanks! >> >> Steve Williams >> ------------------------ >> >> spridgets at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dtwoerpel at gmail.com > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net From healeyrik at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 12:50:07 2023 From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 14:50:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Fw: interesting discovery In-Reply-To: <177265181.224892.1699123618945@mail.yahoo.com> References: <84389174.2256564.1664713340237@aol.com> <177265181.224892.1699123618945@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: HealeyRick Date: Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 2:47?PM Subject: Bugeye Floor Color To: healeyrik at gmail.com >From the thread below, it appears that many bugeyes were only painted underneath in the brown primer. Apparently, it differed according to the painter or maybe how much paint he had left in his spray pot Rick "Madman in a death machine" Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo ----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* FREDERICK JORDAN *To:* Jonathan W-Bird *Cc:* HealeyRick ; BRIAN THORNTON ; "randyhicks at me.com" ; Jim Smalley ; Rick Fisk ; Gerard Chateauvieux < gerardc221133 at gmail.com>; Peter Downie ; Jay Fishbein < jfishbein at snet.com>; Alan Fisher ; " bgearns at yahoo.com" ; Ken Grasing ; "benkenion at gmail.com" ; George Marinos < Gmari2 at verizon.net> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 08:57:02 PM EDT *Subject:* Re: interesting discovery So considering we seem to be in agreement that most of the bottoms of the Sprites ( at least MK I ) were only primer painted, shouldn?t we address this in the standards AND perhaps put this information out now rather than later since there are cars in the process of restoration that would be docked points in judging? I?d hate to be the judge that had to tell someone that their well painted car was incorrect with body color on the underside. Fred Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Jonathan W-Bird wrote: ? Fantastic stuff! Has everyone seen the Abingdon (Sprite/Midget) assembly line footage, from 1969, that I have? It provides some insight into how Mk.I Sprites were originally built ten years earlier. Best wishes, Jonathan Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: HealeyRick Date: 02/10/2022 00:34 (GMT+01:00) To: FREDERICK JORDAN , BRIAN THORNTON , Jonathan W-Bird Cc: randyhicks at me.com, Jim Smalley , Rick Fisk < refisk at chartermi.net>, Gerard Chateauvieux , Peter Downie , Jay Fishbein , Alan Fisher , bgearns at yahoo.com, Ken Grasing < ken.grasing at gmail.com>, benkenion at gmail.com, George Marinos < gmari2 at verizon.net> Subject: Re: interesting discovery The Rotodip was illustrated on Minis here: Bmc Presents Wizardry On Wheels Reel 2 (1961) and from the way the rusted in the states it was as useful as a screen door in a submarine. Rick Bmc Presents Wizardry On Wheels Reel 2 (1961) "Madman in a death machine" Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 05:18:53 PM EDT, Jonathan W-Bird < sprinzelsebring at aol.com> wrote: Hi, This primer paint process was known as 'Slipper Dipping'. All Sprite (and Midget) bodyshells were painted with primer at BMC Cowley, in Coventry, before receiving their final top coats, and were then transported, by road, to Abingdon for final assembly. At each stage of the process another body tag number was added. The other primer paint process employed by BMC (this time at Longbridge, in Birmingham), was 'Rotor Dipping', where the bodyshell was mounted on a skewer and fully immersed whilst being rotated. Sadly, BMC Cowley didn't have this process and the Sprite bodyshell was so constructed as not to allow for skewer mounting. Cheers, Jonathan Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: FREDERICK JORDAN Date: 01/10/2022 15:21 (GMT+01:00) To: BRIAN THORNTON Cc: randyhicks at me.com, Jim Smalley , Rick Neville < healeyrick at yahoo.com>, Rick Fisk , Jonathan Bird < sprinzelsebring at aol.com>, Gerard Chateauvieux , Peter Downie , Jay Fishbein , Alan Fisher , bgearns at yahoo.com, Ken Grasing < ken.grasing at gmail.com>, benkenion at gmail.com, George Marinos < Gmari2 at verizon.net> Subject: Re: interesting discovery Interesting as our concours standard don?t address this! Hmmmm! Fred Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2022, at 9:13 AM, BRIAN THORNTON wrote: ?Hello Fred, The bodies were dip primed in a red-ish/brown primer. We know that they were dip primed because one will find this primer inside enclosed boxed sections of the body like the front cross member behind the radiator. I removed and replaced the lower panel of the crossmember on our AN5 because jacks had dented this panel and it looked awful! When I drilled out the spot welds and ground away the seam welds, a nice coat of red-ish/brown primer saw the light of day for the first time in this enclosed box section. Regarding color coat paint coverage of the underside of the boot/floorpans itself, this appears to vary based on individual application by the painter. The following photos (albeit small) from HAN5L/24858 illustrate that this car did not receive much in the way of color coat on the floors/frame horns. It appears the the entire underside of the car remained in primer. [image: 53.jpg] [image: 48.jpg] This is AN5L/4103 (Speedwell Blue). This California car?s floors are entirely covered in dip primer. [image: c524-frame-remote.jpg] [image: c524-underleft-thumb.jpg] [image: c524-underright-thumb.jpg] What you?ve discovered is consistent with AN5 painting process. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Brian On Oct 1, 2022, at 7:10 AM, FREDERICK JORDAN wrote: We recently replaced the gas tank on Peter Downie?s 59. This is the first time the tank has been dropped. To our surprise there was no green paint above the tank but appears to be the factory brownish primer. Fred On Sep 27, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Randy Hicks wrote: ?Hi Fred, I?m not totally sure what you are asking here. Are you questioning the viability of Sprites in Concours or the effort to update Sprite Guidelines? Or Both? I did see the 501 Sprite at Enclave and it was quite nice. It did receive a solid Gold Award despite the lack of original floor covering. (It did not receive the 20 point deduction some wanted as it did not have carpeted floor covering.) The max. point deduction allowed was 10 points for Floor Covering, Padding and Fasteners. I did not do a count on the number of Sprites in attendance, but there was quite a few. Just for reference, in the last 10 years, 64 Big Healeys and 11 Sprites have been thru Concours Inspections in the US. With regard to the Sprite Guidelines (& Big Healey Guidelines), I have never felt they were for Concours Inspections Only. I believe they are a document designed detail how the cars were originally produced. whether they are used for Concours Inspection or used to just maintain as close to original. If not recorded as much as possible, many details will be lost in years to come. That is where I see the true value. Just my $.02. Randy ????????. On Sep 20, 2022, at 5:54 PM, FREDERICK JORDAN wrote: To my understanding, there was only one Sprite in concours at the Enclave. This begs a serious question. What are we doing here? Is it the lack of interest in the majority of the Sprite community? I?ve always been an originality guy. Not to beat a dead horse but are the floor mats part of a perception that one can?t do well in concours even though it?s a (for the most part) an even playing field? What about later Sprites? The lack of interest is something to consider. BTW as far as I understand, 501 did place gold. Regardless of floor covering. If we continue, how do we encourage concours in the Sprite world in a group that has somewhat disregarded Sprites in general. Sad but true imho. The one Healey that actually survived albeit as a Midget until 1979! What are the attitudes across the pond? Fred Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Jim Smalley wrote: ?Gentlemen, As I said yesterday when I agreed with Bruce, please, no more pre-judging by emails. The matter is closed at this point. We continue to stray from the original topic. I will discuss the matter with the Sprite judging team before next week's judging at Enclave. I will review past Sprite judging sheets over the years this weekend to see how past judges have scored this issue. It is obvious that the Sprite committee has their work cut out for them this fall regarding judging sheets and their scores. I am a bit disappointed that we didn't have very much feedback from other committee members regarding this issue. Thank you to those that took the time to respond. Have a good weekend and drive safe on your way to Enclave. Thanks Jim Smalley National judging chairman Sent from phone On Sep 16, 2022, at 8:30 AM, BRIAN THORNTON wrote: ?Hello Randy, When you are judging do you always mark the *maximum deduction* Absolutely not. In the case that we are discussing, (floor coverings), both Big Healey and Sprite Score Sheet possess Standard Deductions. I believe that the Standard Deductions in the existing Sprite Score Sheets are applicable for floor coverings that are manufactured in materials other than carpet in AN5/AN6 cars (my logic follows). So, you are telling me that you would rather see an entrant use Carpet instead of trying to make the floor covering look as close as possible to Original? Less points for Carpet? I can not follow the logic here! This is not how we encourage entrant to get their cars as lose as possible to original My logic is: 1. Original rubber mats are original 2. Carpet is a non-original floor covering. The Score Sheets dictate the Standard Deduction that should be assessed based on carpet type. No consideration is given to how closely the carpet installation compares/contrasts with the original rubber mat design or installation. 3. All other materials used for the purpose of covering floors are non-original. 4. ? Floor coverings manufactured from non-original material/s should be subject to the same Standard Deduction as carpet On Sep 16, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Randy Hicks wrote: Brian, just a couple quick comments and then I?m out until after Enclave. First, You stated: "*(?rubber like or close attempts? while simple, is entirely subjective. This is why I raised the question regarding the Hardura installation that you?re going to witness next week. Is Hardura rubber like, the surface kinda is. Is the attempt to match the original design of the molded rubber floor covering close, sort of?).?* Yes, our judging is very subjective. When you are judging do you always mark the *maximum deduction* to a line item if you are going to deduct for it? Do you ever deduct 1/2 point vs. 1 point, deduct 4 points instead of max 5 for a line item? If you do, you are the first judge I?ve ever seen do it. *Secondly, You state:* - "Original mats = No deduction for originality, up to 6 points deduction for condition - Carpet - 15 - 20 point deduction (depending on carpet type) for non-originality, up to 6 points deduction for condition - Any other material - 20 point deduction for non-originality, up to 6 points deduction for condition" So, you are telling me that you would rather see an entrant use Carpet instead of trying to make the floor covering look as close as possible to Original? Less points for Carpet? I can not follow the logic here! This is not how we encourage entrant to get their cars as lose as possible to original, and yes, there needs to be some deduction. Randy On Sep 16, 2022, at 6:12 AM, BRIAN THORNTON wrote: - Original mats = No originality deduction *(I agree)* - Carpet - Up to 20 point deduction for non-originality, up to 6 points for condition *(I agree)* - Rubber like or close attempts to match the original - Up to 10 point deduction for non-originality, up to 6 points for condition *(?rubber like or close attempts? while simple, is entirely subjective. This is why I raised the question regarding the Hardura installation that you?re going to witness next week. Is Hardura rubber like, the surface kinda is. Is the attempt to match the original design of the molded rubber floor covering close, sort of?).* Bruce has presented the best rationale that I?ve seen as to why the Standard Deductions for carpet apply to all other floor covering materials/types other than the original rubber floor mats. "The Standard Deductions for floor coverings for Sprites were established to address anything other than the original floor coverings. On AN5?s this meant rubber mats, on AN6-AN9?s this meant carpet. They were worded to cover what had usually been presented other than the original materials. They call out the two types of carpeting because they were used in AN6- AN9 (in the case of cut pile) or are offered by many current suppliers (in the case of loop). We did not call out shag carpeting or indoor/outdoor carpeting. In my opinion, just because someone shows up with a material that is not specifically called out in the Standard Deductions, does not mean they should receive less than a Standard Deduction." The resulting simple (and importantly objective) Standard Deduction scale for AN5/AN6 cars is as follows in my view: - Original mats = No deduction for originality, up to 6 points deduction for condition - Carpet - 15 - 20 point deduction (depending on carpet type) for non-originality, up to 6 points deduction for condition - Any other material - 20 point deduction for non-originality, up to 6 points deduction for condition Have a safe and enjoyable trip for those attending Enclave. Regards, Brian On Sep 15, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Randy Hicks wrote: Yes Rick it i s very simple. ? Original Mats - No Deduction. ? Rubber like or close attempts to match original - Up to 10 Point Deduction on Originality, 6 points Condition. ? Carpet - Up to 20 Point Deduction, 6 points Condition. That is how I interrupt the Sprite Guidelines and Score Sheets. Randy On Sep 15, 2022, at 7:22 PM, HealeyRick wrote: In my view we are making this a whole lot harder than it needs to be solely because the extreme difficulty in finding the original floor coverings. It's simple There is only one original floor covering and those are the rubber mats I've posted here (I think this may be Ben Kenion's car) Carpet was never available on an AN5/early 6 If you have the original mats - no deduction Anything else gets a deduction - whatever number of points is deemed appropriate - whether it's loop or cut pile, it's not original .. period. Hardura/vinyl/karvel/multi-colored deep shag carpet ... not original ... period. I can't point specifically to when the AMCO kit became available and don't know if it was offered during production of the AN5/6. Someone would have to show by contemporaneous advertisement etc that it was a "period accessory". and even then, they would still need the rubber factory center mat or face some kind of deduction. If the supply or smoothcase transmissions dries up and become "unavailable". would we say it's ok to put in a ribcase because it's close or even a Datsun 5 speed because it was the only think available? If we are going to be concours dogmatists we should stay domatic and not make excuses for expedience. This coming from a Nasty Boy guy! Rick "Madman in a death machine" Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 07:04:07 PM EDT, Rick Fisk < refisk at chartermi.net> wrote: Hi Randy, I bought my red '59 AN5 in January 1968 and this was the biggest piece of the rubber mats left at that time. Nine years in the California sun rotted the mats away to crumbling dust. My blue '60 AN5 vintage racer still has the complete door liners in place, but they have been painted and that may have helped preserve them. That car was originally Leaf Green and it seems to me that more of the green interiors have survived than the other colors. Horler's book has some photos of the mats that kind sorta show the flat and ribbed areas. Rick > On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Randy Hicks wrote: > > ?Hi Guys, can someone send me some photos of Original Rubber Floor Covering for the AN5? > > Thanks, > > Randy <1960_Austin_Healey_Bug_Frog_Eye_Sprite_Survivor_Interior.jpeg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stanbmason at aol.com Sun Nov 5 07:35:51 2023 From: stanbmason at aol.com (stanbmason at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 14:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Healey at 2024 Road America Racing and AHC Conclave References: <1720863914.354053.1699194951871.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1720863914.354053.1699194951871@mail.yahoo.com> Sprite Lovers Racing and Street. I wanted to forward this YouTube highlight and promotion video on next years VSCDA Austin Healey Exclusive Race and Conclave.? It gets kind of old at the end with promotions for things to do in the area.? A great video of our 60th Spridget anniversary Road America Race in 2018 is briefly shown.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QuEGlnmSt8 Enjoy and hope to see you there? Stan? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stanbmason at aol.com Sun Nov 5 07:38:12 2023 From: stanbmason at aol.com (stanbmason at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 14:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: Austin Healey at 2024 Road America Racing and AHC Conclave In-Reply-To: <1720863914.354053.1699194951871@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1720863914.354053.1699194951871.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1720863914.354053.1699194951871@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1643372774.355486.1699195092566@mail.yahoo.com> Sprite Lovers Racing and Street. I wanted to forward this YouTube highlight and promotion video on next years VSCDA Austin Healey Exclusive Race and Conclave.? It gets kind of old at the end with promotions for things to do in the area.? A great video of our 60th Spridget anniversary Road America Race in 2018 is briefly shown.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QuEGlnmSt8 Enjoy and hope to see you there? Stan? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 12:58:33 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 11:58:33 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Valvoline VR1 Message-ID: For those of you guys that use Valvoline VR1 to protect those cams and folowers this video might vindicate your selection. Very interesting history of VR1. https://youtu.be/W48nygk1mlc?si=2FkabLDs4RcgmSEi Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 20:15:06 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 19:15:06 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Cam Followers Message-ID: Through the generosity of a list member I have acquired a low mileage 1971 Midget 1275 engine to build for my Bugeye. A rod knock in my Bugeye 1275 and wacky compression readings want me to just start from scratch. I got 90 psi on number 1, 120 psi on number 2, 120 psi on number 3 and 90 psi on number 4. Very disappointing after only less than 4000 miles on its rebuild. In any case I am on the hunt for engine parts. Today I was looking for cam and follower sets. I called David Anton at APT. He just got back from seven weeks in England, plus he has all his inventory in storage from losing his location of business. He has not been very successful in finding a new place. In any case, he says he does not have the cam I am looking for or the lifters. He made the suggestion of buying a blank billet camshaft from him and having Web Cams here locally grind it for me. Web has been grinding Healey cams since the sixties and has any profile you would ever need. This week I will be picking up the blank from David, but no lifters. The problem I am having is finding lifters that describe their hardness. According to David and other cam manufacturers on the internet, the lifters should be at least 5 points harder than the billet cam. That means lifters have a Rockwell hardness of over 60. No one advertises this factoid in their advertising. Anyone have a reliable source for lifters of said hardness? Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com Wed Nov 22 15:36:00 2023 From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (AOL Mail Update (Terms & Policy)) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] A chill in the air and possibly a Turkey? References: <1549400138.7204589.1700692560923.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1549400138.7204589.1700692560923@mail.yahoo.com> Hey everyone!Tomorrow is Thanksgiving!Happy Bird-Day to everyone!Be safe and be well!Chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 20:22:01 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:22:01 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Porting and Polishing Message-ID: Anyone know where I can get a 1275 head ported and polished in the Southern California area? I have a rebuilt head, but it was skimmed and the valve seats were done and new valves installed. Used to be able to take it to APT, but David Anton is in the middle of changing business locations. He is transitioning to only grinding cams now also. Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 04:29:13 2023 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 06:29:13 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SU carb rebuild Message-ID: Hi Spridigiteers, Sorry I haven't been checking my messages in a while but I will get back to it soon. I've been using Spridget Facebook groups more because I work best with images. I will be rebuilding my SU carbs for my 1275 this winter as I have my kit from Joe Curto and multiple pages from this list via our dear friend Frank on doing it properly. If anyone has new suggestions please post. I think the most important thing to do is one carb at a time not take everything apart as each piston of the carb must stay in the same chamber and housing. Have a Happy Healthy Holiday, Linda 62 California Spridget "Pinky" -- "Pay if forward" in honor of Frank Clarici III, Spritenut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kentmclean at comcast.net Thu Nov 30 13:18:54 2023 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 15:18:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SU carb rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BB715C3-1A08-4FF8-AEDD-EDCCEBEB8AE0@comcast.net> Linda Grunthaner wrote: > I will be rebuilding my SU carbs for my 1275 this winter as I have my kit > from Joe Curto and multiple pages from this list via our dear friend Frank > on doing it properly. > > If anyone has new suggestions please post. I think the most important thing > to do is one carb at a time not take everything apart as each piston of the > carb must stay in the same chamber and housing. Take pictures as you take things apart. Lots of pictures. Pictures from several angles. Digital film is cheap. Good luck. From ryan at jimryan.com Thu Nov 30 15:47:56 2023 From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 17:47:56 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SU carb rebuild In-Reply-To: <0BB715C3-1A08-4FF8-AEDD-EDCCEBEB8AE0@comcast.net> References: <0BB715C3-1A08-4FF8-AEDD-EDCCEBEB8AE0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Great advice! Wish I had that (and the internet) in 1974 when I rebuil the engine in my BJ7. It did start afterwards...;+} On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 3:25 PM Kent McLean via Spridgets < spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > Linda Grunthaner wrote: > > > I will be rebuilding my SU carbs for my 1275 this winter as I have my kit > > from Joe Curto and multiple pages from this list via our dear friend > Frank > > on doing it properly. > > > > If anyone has new suggestions please post. I think the most important > thing > > to do is one carb at a time not take everything apart as each piston of > the > > carb must stay in the same chamber and housing. > > Take pictures as you take things apart. Lots of pictures. Pictures from > several angles. Digital film is cheap. Good luck. > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/ryan at jimryan.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nory1 at roadrunner.com Thu Nov 30 18:30:56 2023 From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (nory1 at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2023 01:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] SU carb rebuild Message-ID: <1c79d1da8f69330fca309ce21531aeb4d48c1b29@webmail> I rebuilt a couple several years ago. It?s pretty straightforward. The only advice I could offer is to just keep everything clean. Have fun! -Nory -----------------------------------------From: "Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets" To: "Spridget list" Cc: Sent: Thursday November 30 2023 7:04:57AM Subject: [Spridgets] SU carb rebuild Hi Spridigiteers, Sorry I haven't been checking my messages in a while but I will get back to it soon. I've been using Spridget Facebook groups more because I work best with images. I will be rebuilding my SU carbs for my 1275 this winter as I have my kit from Joe Curto and multiple pages from this list via our dear friend Frank on doing it properly. If anyone has new suggestions please post. I think the most important thing to do is one carb at a time not take everything apart as each piston of the carb must stay in the same chamber and housing. Have a Happy Healthy Holiday, Linda 62 California Spridget "Pinky" -- "Pay if forward" in honor of Frank Clarici III, Spritenut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: