From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Thu May  5 12:40:47 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 11:40:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOPzd2fcfrJ8UGY1K-gJeQQ9XrCvn=hAoCXRdZiooLacmA@mail.gmail.com>

When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for
timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars
the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the
instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.
To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but
the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my
knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone
know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
Mike MacLean
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From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Thu May  5 12:58:35 2022
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 14:58:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
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Mike,

I'm pretty sure it is considered an interference engine because the valves
could be low enough to contact the top of the piston if the belt were to
break.

If I'm wrong, please let me know ;)

Kevin V.
Tuscarora, Pa

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 2:41 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for
> timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars
> the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the
> instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.
> To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but
> the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my
> knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone
> know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
> Mike MacLean
> ------------------------
>
> spridgets at autox.team.net
>
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Thu May  5 13:01:13 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 15:01:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
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Yes, the 1275 is an interference engine.  In this photo you can see where the valves beat the crap out of the top of the piston.  The piston broke in half at the wrist pin and the top half of the piston stayed at the top of the bore.

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> On May 5, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.  To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
> Mike MacLean
> ------------------------
> 
> spridgets at autox.team.net
> 
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Thu May  5 13:06:15 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 15:06:15 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
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Forgot to add both valves were bent as well.

> On May 5, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk at chartermi.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes, the 1275 is an interference engine.  In this photo you can see where the valves beat the crap out of the top of the piston.  The piston broke in half at the wrist pin and the top half of the piston stayed at the top of the bore.
> 
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> 
>> On May 5, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.  To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
>> Mike MacLean
>> ------------------------
>> 
>> spridgets at autox.team.net
>> 
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From weslake1330 at gmail.com  Thu May  5 14:41:09 2022
From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 21:41:09 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
In-Reply-To: <8BC19D46-A79C-47E5-A710-2289D1890016@chartermi.net>
References: <6F177C23-CC41-48B2-B885-05479D307101@chartermi.net>
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Message-ID: <CAMhoh1UVVajAfKRPEnAy46Eb4bH2MCHs8pLWQ9BQVpE_6vTaaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I always thought it depended on the cam and rockers whether or not the
valves would hit the piston if the belt broke on an A-series.  A long time
ago my dyno guy said for my engine if the belt broke the valves would
definitely hit the piston.  No, I don't have the full valve lift figure
handy.

On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 20:16, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Forgot to add both valves were bent as well.
>
> > On May 5, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk at chartermi.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Yes, the 1275 is an interference engine.  In this photo you can see
> where the valves beat the crap out of the top of the piston.  The piston
> broke in half at the wrist pin and the top half of the piston stayed at the
> top of the bore.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 5, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for
> timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars
> the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the
> instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.
> To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but
> the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my
> knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone
> know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
> >> Mike MacLean
> >> ------------------------
> >>
> >> spridgets at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Thu May  5 14:45:51 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 13:45:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
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References: <6F177C23-CC41-48B2-B885-05479D307101@chartermi.net>
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I don?t suppose having 1.5 rockers helps the situation much either.
Mike M

On Thu, May 5, 2022, 1:41 PM Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I always thought it depended on the cam and rockers whether or not the
> valves would hit the piston if the belt broke on an A-series.  A long time
> ago my dyno guy said for my engine if the belt broke the valves would
> definitely hit the piston.  No, I don't have the full valve lift figure
> handy.
>
> On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 20:16, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Forgot to add both valves were bent as well.
>>
>> > On May 5, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk at chartermi.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?Yes, the 1275 is an interference engine.  In this photo you can see
>> where the valves beat the crap out of the top of the piston.  The piston
>> broke in half at the wrist pin and the top half of the piston stayed at the
>> top of the bore.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On May 5, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for
>> timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars
>> the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the
>> instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.
>> To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but
>> the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my
>> knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone
>> know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
>> >> Mike MacLean
>> >> ------------------------
>> >>
>> >> spridgets at autox.team.net
>> >>
>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> >> Suggested annual donation: $12.75
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From g.h.higgins at gmail.com  Thu May  5 20:16:39 2022
From: g.h.higgins at gmail.com (Greg Higgins)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 22:16:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
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References: <6F177C23-CC41-48B2-B885-05479D307101@chartermi.net>
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I owned a 1977 Honda Civic with a 1.2 litre engine, I bought the car new.
The
timing belt had to be changed every 50.000 miles on that model. I was 6000
miles
over the timing belt's best before mileage. The timing belt broke while
going to work one afternoon.
There was no damage to the engine, a new belt and I was good to go. I made
sure I was under
50,000 miles when I replaced that one. Lesson learned.

Greg Higgins

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:46 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I don?t suppose having 1.5 rockers helps the situation much either.
> Mike M
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022, 1:41 PM Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I always thought it depended on the cam and rockers whether or not the
>> valves would hit the piston if the belt broke on an A-series.  A long time
>> ago my dyno guy said for my engine if the belt broke the valves would
>> definitely hit the piston.  No, I don't have the full valve lift figure
>> handy.
>>
>> On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 20:16, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to add both valves were bent as well.
>>>
>>> > On May 5, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk at chartermi.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?Yes, the 1275 is an interference engine.  In this photo you can see
>>> where the valves beat the crap out of the top of the piston.  The piston
>>> broke in half at the wrist pin and the top half of the piston stayed at the
>>> top of the bore.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On May 5, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
>>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?
>>> >> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for
>>> timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars
>>> the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the
>>> instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.
>>> To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but
>>> the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my
>>> knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone
>>> know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
>>> >> Mike MacLean
>>> >> ------------------------
>>> >>
>>> >> spridgets at autox.team.net
>>> >>
>>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> >> Suggested annual donation: $12.75
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Thu May  5 21:03:34 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 23:03:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
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I bought a new Fiat X1/9 in 1975.  The timing belt was supposed to be changed every 50,000 miles.  At 40,000 miles I sold the car to a girlfriend.  At 53,000 miles the belt broke with the engine running at idle while she was waiting for a red light.  At least half of the valves were bent.

> On May 5, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Greg Higgins via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I owned a 1977 Honda Civic with a 1.2 litre engine, I bought the car new. The
> timing belt had to be changed every 50.000 miles on that model. I was 6000 miles
> over the timing belt's best before mileage. The timing belt broke while going to work one afternoon.
> There was no damage to the engine, a new belt and I was good to go. I made sure I was under
> 50,000 miles when I replaced that one. Lesson learned.
> 
> Greg Higgins
> 
>> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:46 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I don?t suppose having 1.5 rockers helps the situation much either.
>> Mike M
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2022, 1:41 PM Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I always thought it depended on the cam and rockers whether or not the valves would hit the piston if the belt broke on an A-series.  A long time ago my dyno guy said for my engine if the belt broke the valves would definitely hit the piston.  No, I don't have the full valve lift figure handy.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 20:16, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> Forgot to add both valves were bent as well.
>>>> 
>>>> > On May 5, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk at chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > ?Yes, the 1275 is an interference engine.  In this photo you can see where the valves beat the crap out of the top of the piston.  The piston broke in half at the wrist pin and the top half of the piston stayed at the top of the bore.
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> >> On May 5, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> ?
>>>> >> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.  To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
>>>> >> Mike MacLean
>>>> >> ------------------------
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> spridgets at autox.team.net
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From weslake1330 at gmail.com  Thu May  5 23:58:31 2022
From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 06:58:31 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Interference
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I bought a very secondhand Mk3 Ford Cortina to replace the Mini I had
rolled (!) and changed the belt of unknown age and mileage sometime during
my ownership with no drama except learning that engine/cam timing was a
different thing to ignition timing.

On Fri, 6 May 2022 at 04:03, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I bought a new Fiat X1/9 in 1975.  The timing belt was supposed to be
> changed every 50,000 miles.  At 40,000 miles I sold the car to a
> girlfriend.  At 53,000 miles the belt broke with the engine running at idle
> while she was waiting for a red light.  At least half of the valves were
> bent.
>
> On May 5, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Greg Higgins via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> I owned a 1977 Honda Civic with a 1.2 litre engine, I bought the car new.
> The
> timing belt had to be changed every 50.000 miles on that model. I was 6000
> miles
> over the timing belt's best before mileage. The timing belt broke while
> going to work one afternoon.
> There was no damage to the engine, a new belt and I was good to go. I made
> sure I was under
> 50,000 miles when I replaced that one. Lesson learned.
>
> Greg Higgins
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:46 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I don?t suppose having 1.5 rockers helps the situation much either.
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2022, 1:41 PM Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I always thought it depended on the cam and rockers whether or not the
>>> valves would hit the piston if the belt broke on an A-series.  A long time
>>> ago my dyno guy said for my engine if the belt broke the valves would
>>> definitely hit the piston.  No, I don't have the full valve lift figure
>>> handy.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 20:16, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
>>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Forgot to add both valves were bent as well.
>>>>
>>>> > On May 5, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk at chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > ?Yes, the 1275 is an interference engine.  In this photo you can see
>>>> where the valves beat the crap out of the top of the piston.  The piston
>>>> broke in half at the wrist pin and the top half of the piston stayed at the
>>>> top of the bore.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> On May 5, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
>>>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ?
>>>> >> When I rebuilt my 1275 for the Bugeye I converted to belt drive for
>>>> timing.  Keeps the timing spot on.  It occurs to me that like other cars
>>>> the timing belt has a limited life and must be changed.  To be honest the
>>>> instructions did not say when this should occur as far as I can remember.
>>>> To be fair, the rebuilt engine has only a little over 3K miles on it, but
>>>> the question arises about valve interference if the belt breaks.  To my
>>>> knowledge, I don't think so, but I have been proven wrong before.  Anyone
>>>> know if a 1275 would be an interference engine if the belt broke?
>>>> >> Mike MacLean
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From stanbmason at aol.com  Mon May  9 05:30:18 2022
From: stanbmason at aol.com (stanbmason at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 11:30:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] MG Midget Vintage Racer For Sale
In-Reply-To: <EAD9753E-81A3-45AE-837A-23F0E3C8181F@yahoo.com>
References: <CAFrbxi+0FowFKrvWiHa5jqwFF3vE7jS5YC=MDjaWCAnjOAPYtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EAD9753E-81A3-45AE-837A-23F0E3C8181F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1821427198.780196.1652095819258@mail.yahoo.com>

I am passing on information on what appears to be a good Vintage 2D original Vintage Racing MG Midget.? Please see photos and description below.Please contact Bob VanKirk at his email?racerbob70 at yahoo.com?for additional details


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Wilcox <tawilcox57 at gmail.com>
Cc: John Basnik <jbasnik3 at gmail.com>; STAN MASON <stanbmason at aol.com>; raceasaab at protonmail.com
Sent: Sat, May 7, 2022 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Sell the MG info

I?ve known Bob for 25 years through the old Spridget list. I have old Grassroots Motorsports featuring his race car. Great car. ??

Ron Soave

On May 7, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Tom Wilcox <tawilcox57 at gmail.com> wrote:



?Hey Stan,
Attached please find info and some pics for Bob Van Kirk?s Spridget. The description speaks for itself. Bob is the guy who lent Jim Vogel the carbs I broke. Perhaps we can spread the word on Bob?s car and get the new owner into the ?family?.?
Tom
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bob Van Kirk <racerbob70 at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, May 7, 2022 at 5:50 PM
Subject: Fw: Sell the MG info
To: <tawilcox57 at gmail.com>


 

1965 MG MIDGET

Engine
1275cc over bored .040 = 1308 cc
14.5 comp ratio
Turbo head gasket w/new spare
16cc head with enlarged int and exh ports
1 1/2 ratio rocker arms
11 bolt head ARP fastners
flat top pisons
block decked to match top of pistons
crankshaft STD/STD and balanced
strapped center main earing
6 qt comp oil pan
alum flywheel
stock friction plate
modified stock pressure plate
adjustable oil pressure valve
large diameter water pump pulley
timing marks to top of damper
modified dizzy weights
296 cam
petronix ign
Stock connecting rods modified for racing

CARBS

twin 1 1/4 SU thru bore carbs with extensive internal modifications
EGT gauges

COOLING SYSTEM

alum radiator
oil cooler
electric fan w/ separate on/off switch
remote oil filter

Engine dyno'd several years ago with 101 rear wheel horse power

TRANSMISION

SCCR

rubber seal front cover
cut down shift lever
strengthened bearing throw out arm

REAR END

stock axles and bearings
currently with 4:62 ratio? other ratios are 4:55 and 4:22 all welded

BRAKE

standard size discs and drums with dual braking master cyinder
currently using Motul 600 brake fluid
front pads Hawk blue and rear are stock shoes
aeroquip flex liness

SUSPENSION

front and rear sway bars and panhard rod
shocks modified for racing
Front springs 600LBs rear are offset are about 125 LBs

FUEL
?8 fuel cell
fawcet 3-4 pdi fuel pump
recommend 110 oct fuel minimum

EXTRA PARTS

2 STD/STD crank shafts, one is knife edged
various cams
several heads with differing combustion chambers
spare box stock tranny
boxes of old valves, springs, and keepers
1 set of 5" minator rims with 5 year old rain tires never used
transponder
car has 5 1/2" minator rims with Hoosier A70x13 with 4 weekends on theml
 a
?I am the original owner of this car, purchased new Dec 4 1964, but I am almost 80 years old but experience and treachery will only over come youth and skill for just so long..LOL Car was converted for racing in 1989 and has won championships with HSR, SVRA, and VDCA over the years.


  
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From stanbmason at aol.com  Mon May  9 05:32:28 2022
From: stanbmason at aol.com (stanbmason at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 11:32:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: MG Midget Vintage Racer For Sale
In-Reply-To: <1821427198.780196.1652095819258@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAFrbxi+0FowFKrvWiHa5jqwFF3vE7jS5YC=MDjaWCAnjOAPYtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EAD9753E-81A3-45AE-837A-23F0E3C8181F@yahoo.com>
 <1821427198.780196.1652095819258@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2086819561.779159.1652095948507@mail.yahoo.com>

I am passing on information on what appears to be a good Vintage 2D original Vintage Racing MG Midget.? Please see photos and description below.Please contact Bob VanKirk at his email?racerbob70 at yahoo.com?for additional details


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Wilcox <tawilcox57 at gmail.com>
Cc: John Basnik <jbasnik3 at gmail.com>; STAN MASON <stanbmason at aol.com>; raceasaab at protonmail.com
Sent: Sat, May 7, 2022 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Sell the MG info

I?ve known Bob for 25 years through the old Spridget list. I have old Grassroots Motorsports featuring his race car. Great car. ??

Ron Soave

On May 7, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Tom Wilcox <tawilcox57 at gmail.com> wrote:



?Hey Stan,
Attached please find info and some pics for Bob Van Kirk?s Spridget. The description speaks for itself. Bob is the guy who lent Jim Vogel the carbs I broke. Perhaps we can spread the word on Bob?s car and get the new owner into the ?family?.?
Tom
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bob Van Kirk <racerbob70 at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, May 7, 2022 at 5:50 PM
Subject: Fw: Sell the MG info
To: <tawilcox57 at gmail.com>


 

1965 MG MIDGET

Engine
1275cc over bored .040 = 1308 cc
14.5 comp ratio
Turbo head gasket w/new spare
16cc head with enlarged int and exh ports
1 1/2 ratio rocker arms
11 bolt head ARP fastners
flat top pisons
block decked to match top of pistons
crankshaft STD/STD and balanced
strapped center main earing
6 qt comp oil pan
alum flywheel
stock friction plate
modified stock pressure plate
adjustable oil pressure valve
large diameter water pump pulley
timing marks to top of damper
modified dizzy weights
296 cam
petronix ign
Stock connecting rods modified for racing

CARBS

twin 1 1/4 SU thru bore carbs with extensive internal modifications
EGT gauges

COOLING SYSTEM

alum radiator
oil cooler
electric fan w/ separate on/off switch
remote oil filter

Engine dyno'd several years ago with 101 rear wheel horse power

TRANSMISION

SCCR

rubber seal front cover
cut down shift lever
strengthened bearing throw out arm

REAR END

stock axles and bearings
currently with 4:62 ratio? other ratios are 4:55 and 4:22 all welded

BRAKE

standard size discs and drums with dual braking master cyinder
currently using Motul 600 brake fluid
front pads Hawk blue and rear are stock shoes
aeroquip flex liness

SUSPENSION

front and rear sway bars and panhard rod
shocks modified for racing
Front springs 600LBs rear are offset are about 125 LBs

FUEL
?8 fuel cell
fawcet 3-4 pdi fuel pump
recommend 110 oct fuel minimum

EXTRA PARTS

2 STD/STD crank shafts, one is knife edged
various cams
several heads with differing combustion chambers
spare box stock tranny
boxes of old valves, springs, and keepers
1 set of 5" minator rims with 5 year old rain tires never used
transponder
car has 5 1/2" minator rims with Hoosier A70x13 with 4 weekends on theml
 a
?I am the original owner of this car, purchased new Dec 4 1964, but I am almost 80 years old but experience and treachery will only over come youth and skill for just so long..LOL Car was converted for racing in 1989 and has won championships with HSR, SVRA, and VDCA over the years.


  
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From deikis at gmail.com  Wed May 11 14:41:23 2022
From: deikis at gmail.com (John Deikis)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:41:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] MG Midget Vintage Racer For Sale
In-Reply-To: <1821427198.780196.1652095819258@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAFrbxi+0FowFKrvWiHa5jqwFF3vE7jS5YC=MDjaWCAnjOAPYtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EAD9753E-81A3-45AE-837A-23F0E3C8181F@yahoo.com>
 <1821427198.780196.1652095819258@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+xgqbcq98Xs4abu0FugCgApD0D8ZZSGh+M8YakjLbAePSEyow@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know what he is asking for his car, but I've known Bob since the
early 90's and this is a well-done and quick car that would put most any
decent drive on at least 2nd base in most any vintage field.
John Deikis

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 7:30 AM <stanbmason at aol.com> wrote:

> I am passing on information on what appears to be a good Vintage 2D
> original Vintage Racing MG Midget.  Please see photos and description
> below.
> Please contact Bob VanKirk at his email racerbob70 at yahoo.com for
> additional details
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
> To: Tom Wilcox <tawilcox57 at gmail.com>
> Cc: John Basnik <jbasnik3 at gmail.com>; STAN MASON <stanbmason at aol.com>;
> raceasaab at protonmail.com
> Sent: Sat, May 7, 2022 10:42 pm
> Subject: Re: Sell the MG info
>
> I?ve known Bob for 25 years through the old Spridget list. I have old
> Grassroots Motorsports featuring his race car. Great car.
>
> Ron Soave
>
> On May 7, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Tom Wilcox <tawilcox57 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hey Stan,
>
> Attached please find info and some pics for Bob Van Kirk?s Spridget. The
> description speaks for itself. Bob is the guy who lent Jim Vogel the carbs
> I broke. Perhaps we can spread the word on Bob?s car and get the new owner
> into the ?family?.
>
> Tom
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Bob Van Kirk* <racerbob70 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sat, May 7, 2022 at 5:50 PM
> Subject: Fw: Sell the MG info
> To: <tawilcox57 at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> 1965 MG MIDGET
>
> Engine
> 1275cc over bored .040 = 1308 cc
> 14.5 comp ratio
> Turbo head gasket w/new spare
> 16cc head with enlarged int and exh ports
> 1 1/2 ratio rocker arms
> 11 bolt head ARP fastners
> flat top pisons
> block decked to match top of pistons
> crankshaft STD/STD and balanced
> strapped center main earing
> 6 qt comp oil pan
> alum flywheel
> stock friction plate
> modified stock pressure plate
> adjustable oil pressure valve
> large diameter water pump pulley
> timing marks to top of damper
> modified dizzy weights
> 296 cam
> petronix ign
> Stock connecting rods modified for racing
>
> CARBS
>
> twin 1 1/4 SU thru bore carbs with extensive internal modifications
> EGT gauges
>
> COOLING SYSTEM
>
> alum radiator
> oil cooler
> electric fan w/ separate on/off switch
> remote oil filter
>
> Engine dyno'd several years ago with 101 rear wheel horse power
>
> TRANSMISION
>
> SCCR
>
> rubber seal front cover
> cut down shift lever
> strengthened bearing throw out arm
>
> REAR END
>
> stock axles and bearings
> currently with 4:62 ratio  other ratios are 4:55 and 4:22 all welded
>
> BRAKE
>
> standard size discs and drums with dual braking master cyinder
> currently using Motul 600 brake fluid
> front pads Hawk blue and rear are stock shoes
> aeroquip flex liness
>
> SUSPENSION
>
> front and rear sway bars and panhard rod
> shocks modified for racing
> Front springs 600LBs rear are offset are about 125 LBs
>
> FUEL
>  8 fuel cell
> fawcet 3-4 pdi fuel pump
> recommend 110 oct fuel minimum
>
> EXTRA PARTS
>
> 2 STD/STD crank shafts, one is knife edged
> various cams
> several heads with differing combustion chambers
> spare box stock tranny
> boxes of old valves, springs, and keepers
> 1 set of 5" minator rims with 5 year old rain tires never used
> transponder
> car has 5 1/2" minator rims with Hoosier A70x13 with 4 weekends on theml
> a
>  I am the original owner of this car, purchased new Dec 4 1964, but I am
> almost 80 years old but experience and treachery will only over come youth
> and skill for just so long..LOL Car was converted for racing in 1989 and
> has won championships with HSR, SVRA, and VDCA over the years.
>
>
> [image: 100_1034.jpg][image: 100_1035.jpg][image: 100_1036.jpg][image:
> 65RF01[2].jpg]
>
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From stanbmason at aol.com  Thu May 12 10:14:53 2022
From: stanbmason at aol.com (stanbmason at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 16:14:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] SMRS GMan Results and Overview
References: <946382637.2010644.1652372093474.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <946382637.2010644.1652372093474@mail.yahoo.com>

Well GMan did not disappoint with a great turn out of 14 Spridgets Racing!? The following is a highlight of this great weekend and attached SMRS Season Report.? I will provide some feedback from Driver Committee on Group 2 in the near future.
Gingerman 2022 Highlights

Driver School - We had 2new Spridgets join us at the Driver School.?Jim Vogel who had logged some laps at PIB successfully received hiscertificate.? Dominic Rudd and his Dad Danwere there with a Midget that was purchased from last year?s student driver and1970s SCCA Legion Phil Carpenter.?Dominic is a past Go Kart racer and did well with his driving skills in bothgood lap times and observing all the safety protocol. ?This is an extension of their fun times of thepast Go Kart Racing.? ?I want to thank everyone that helped these 2students.? I think one of the mostpositive aspects of SMRS is the willingness of all of us to contribute to successof our Driver School and Spridget Students through assisting mechanically andanswering any driving questions in support.?As we all know it can be can overwhelming for anyone wanting to get intoSMRS racing.? I think Jim Vogel said itbest when he said ??I have never met such an incredible group ofpeople!? To jump in and help out a guy they don't even know so I could getthrough the school was above and beyond, and I am very humbled and grateful.? I don't think I did enough to show thatgratitude, particularly to you (Stan Mason), Mark Frost, the entire Kansa Klan,Buzz Merchlewitz, and Charlie Hall and his crewman Jeff who fixed my car when Ididn't have time so it would pass tech.??? This year?s Driver School had anonline class prior to showing up at GMan with question answer section to keep ita shorter time and less boring for Thursday?s class room training.


?
Mechanically ? The VintageSport Council has a site for Mechanical Failures that they collect information oncritical mechanical failures that we should all be familiar with so we canavoid then through knowledge.? I havecollected some of the minimal information they have on their site and havestarted compiling a list of critical safety failures that we should be aware ofand looking out for. ?One of those areas thatare critical are front spindles.? Ourcars were not designed to see the lateral loads that they were designedfor.? Observing some GoPro G loads from YouTubeVideos of SMRS racing we can get up to 1.3 G lateral loads with Spridgets.? It is recommended that you take the time toverify the integrity of your front spindles by magnafluxing for cracksroutinely (some suggest evey 2 years).?Many of us have steel spindle replacing the original forgedspindles.? Typically if spindles fail itis under high loads in a turn.? Don Kellyexperience his failure at the upper part of his king pin at the counter stepthreaded area, which is also obviously a high stress area.? His failure resulted in his right front kingpin breaking loose and moved the tire into the wheel well flat spotting histire.? This did not result in a catastrophicaccident luckily, but could have been worse.

SMRS VSCDA Support -? Our group really is amazing when it comes tosupport and this is usually something I cover as a yearend appreciation, butall of you have really given back whether it is in Driver Committee orAdmissions and of course all the other items covered above.? Charlie Hall and our VSCDA President Alex Rourkereminded everyone at the Driver School Banquet that the reason we have lowerprices in Vintage Racing is because of our volunteers.? Most of those volunteers are from ourGroup.? We had roughly 33 cars in Group 2with nearly half being Spridgets keeping our exclusive Spridget Race alive andwell for next year. 

Brat Lunches ? We have traditionally done an excellent jobin this area providing an abundance of brats and side dishes.? Not so much at GMan this year and even thoughI appreciate donations of money that go to our SMRS fund for awards, it isdifficult to plan if we have more people over money over providing food.? In the future if you have not contributed, Iwould appreciate it if you would bring pre-boiled brats and a cole slaw orpotato salad or desert for all you friends to enjoy.

?Spridget Perseverance ? Weall know how important this is as a Racing Spidget Team and there were manyexamples of this at GMan and other events, but what I observed was above moststandards.? Ellie and Husband Brian weretruly stellar in this category when they pulled their engine and transmissionto make the next session and even though we may have seen this many times, Idon?t think that I have ever seen anyone continue like these 2 did in a majorcloud burst that lasted 15 minutes.?Congratulations for winning the unofficial ?Spridget Perseverance Award?!

Cape of Good Hope and Announcements? I did not break out the Cape of Good Hope portable pub due to rain and usbeing the last run group on Saturday.?This is usually a good time to discuss issues and provide updates onupcoming races.? 

?????????Black Hawk Farms June 17-19 Exclusive SpridgetRace

?????????Schenley Park July 23-24 Exclusive Spridget Race?Donna Mae Mims Memorial Race? for Spridgets.?We have requested additional information on lodging and a SMRS PaddockCompound

?????????Grattan Grand Finale Awards August 12-14Exclusive Spridget Race 

Grammar ? not mystrong suit and thanks for putting up with my less skills!


?

?
Enjoy Your Passion and a SpridgetLy Life

Stan Mason

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From stanbmason at aol.com  Thu May 12 10:16:30 2022
From: stanbmason at aol.com (stanbmason at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 16:16:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: SMRS GMan Results and Overview
In-Reply-To: <946382637.2010644.1652372093474@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <946382637.2010644.1652372093474.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <946382637.2010644.1652372093474@mail.yahoo.com>
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Well GMan did not disappoint with a great turn out of 14 Spridgets Racing!? The following is a highlight of this great weekend and attached SMRS Season Results.? I will provide some feedback from Driver Committee on Group 2 in the near future.
Gingerman 2022 Highlights Driver School - We had 2new Spridgets join us at the Driver School.?Jim Vogel who had logged some laps at PIB successfully received hiscertificate.? Dominic Rudd and his Dad Danwere there with a Midget that was purchased from last year?s student driver and1970s SCCA Legion Phil Carpenter.?Dominic is a past Go Kart racer and did well with his driving skills in bothgood lap times and observing all the safety protocol. ?This is an extension of their fun times of thepast Go Kart Racing.? ?I want to thank everyone that helped these 2students.? I think one of the mostpositive aspects of SMRS is the willingness of all of us to contribute to successof our Driver School and Spridget Students through assisting mechanically andanswering any driving questions in support.?As we all know it can be can overwhelming for anyone wanting to get intoSMRS racing.? I think Jim Vogel said itbest when he said ??I have never met such an incredible group ofpeople!? To jump in and help out a guy they don't even know so I could getthrough the school was above and beyond, and I am very humbled and grateful.? I don't think I did enough to show thatgratitude, particularly to you (Stan Mason), Mark Frost, the entire Kansa Klan,Buzz Merchlewitz, and Charlie Hall and his crewman Jeff who fixed my car when Ididn't have time so it would pass tech.??? This year?s Driver School had anonline class prior to showing up at GMan with question answer section to keep ita shorter time and less boring for Thursday?s class room training.  ? Mechanically ? The VintageSport Council has a site for Mechanical Failures that they collect information oncritical mechanical failures that we should all be familiar with so we canavoid then through knowledge.? I havecollected some of the minimal information they have on their site and havestarted compiling a list of critical safety failures that we should be aware ofand looking out for. ?One of those areas thatare critical are front spindles.? Ourcars were not designed to see the lateral loads that they were designedfor.? Observing some GoPro G loads from YouTubeVideos of SMRS racing we can get up to 1.3 G lateral loads with Spridgets.? It is recommended that you take the time toverify the integrity of your front spindles by magnafluxing for cracksroutinely (some suggest evey 2 years).?Many of us have steel spindle replacing the original forgedspindles.? Typically if spindles fail itis under high loads in a turn.? Don Kellyexperience his failure at the upper part of his king pin at the counter stepthreaded area, which is also obviously a high stress area.? His failure resulted in his right front kingpin breaking loose and moved the tire into the wheel well flat spotting histire.? This did not result in a catastrophicaccident luckily, but could have been worse. SMRS VSCDA Support -? Our group really is amazing when it comes tosupport and this is usually something I cover as a yearend appreciation, butall of you have really given back whether it is in Driver Committee orAdmissions and of course all the other items covered above.? Charlie Hall and our VSCDA President Alex Rourkereminded everyone at the Driver School Banquet that the reason we have lowerprices in Vintage Racing is because of our volunteers.? Most of those volunteers are from ourGroup.? We had roughly 33 cars in Group 2with nearly half being Spridgets keeping our exclusive Spridget Race alive andwell for next year.  Brat Lunches ? We have traditionally done an excellent jobin this area providing an abundance of brats and side dishes.? Not so much at GMan this year and even thoughI appreciate donations of money that go to our SMRS fund for awards, it isdifficult to plan if we have more people over money over providing food.? In the future if you have not contributed, Iwould appreciate it if you would bring pre-boiled brats and a cole slaw orpotato salad or desert for all you friends to enjoy. ?Spridget Perseverance ? Weall know how important this is as a Racing Spidget Team and there were manyexamples of this at GMan and other events, but what I observed was above moststandards.? Ellie and Husband Brian weretruly stellar in this category when they pulled their engine and transmissionto make the next session and even though we may have seen this many times, Idon?t think that I have ever seen anyone continue like these 2 did in a majorcloud burst that lasted 15 minutes.?Congratulations for winning the unofficial ?Spridget Perseverance Award?! Cape of Good Hope and Announcements? I did not break out the Cape of Good Hope portable pub due to rain and usbeing the last run group on Saturday.?This is usually a good time to discuss issues and provide updates onupcoming races.?  ?????????Black Hawk Farms June 17-19 Exclusive SpridgetRace ?????????Schenley Park July 23-24 Exclusive Spridget Race?Donna Mae Mims Memorial Race? for Spridgets.?We have requested additional information on lodging and a SMRS PaddockCompound ?????????Grattan Grand Finale Awards August 12-14Exclusive Spridget Race  Grammar ? not mystrong suit and thanks for putting up with my less skills!  ?  ? Enjoy Your Passion and a SpridgetLy Life Stan Mason 
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From stanbmason at aol.com  Fri May 13 17:54:48 2022
From: stanbmason at aol.com (stanbmason at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 23:54:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Update SMRS GMan
References: <1566580712.2488881.1652486088905.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I apologize, but I overlooked some results.? I have update the latest XCl points with revision 5/13/22 and highlighted in yellow.? I am always open to any mistakes made.
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Tue May 17 05:16:22 2022
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (AOL Mail Update (Terms & Policy))
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:16:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Import Carlisle
References: <2137788268.4306546.1652786182843.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Well the show is books now as some say.I personally enjoy getting home Saturday night as opposed to the years past of getting home Sunday night.? ?The current Friday & Saturday show did not offer the time needed to get away from the race car Pavillion to walk the shrinking flea market or hang out with friends on the show field.? ?We did take the 1960 Saab race car for a show field circle cruise on Saturday just before lunch , much to the delight of the Saab enthusiasts in attendance.In a selfish way I wished Carlisle Productions would return to the old 3 day format.? Possibly next year I may opt to become a flea market vendor due to the sheer volume of vintage Saab and Spridget parts I have accumulated.? ?ALTHOUGH!? ? I saw only 1 1500 midget on the show field and in the Saab areas only 3 cars old enough to have owners whom might have any interest in what I have here.? ?Some rain came during the event.? ?We enjoyed more dry weather than wet weather for the show.Chuck
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From KVacek at Ameritech.net  Tue May 17 11:37:10 2022
From: KVacek at Ameritech.net (Karl Vacek)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:37:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hi and info request
References: <00ce01d86a14$bd98af60$38ca0e20$.ref@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <00ce01d86a14$bd98af60$38ca0e20$@Ameritech.net>

Hi

I was on this list in the mid-2000's, but have been away from the list for
at least 10 years.

 

In 2006 my wife was fondly reminiscing about the 64 MIdget I'd bought for
her in 74 when we were first married.  eBay to the rescue - we bought her a
very clean, 14,000 mile 78 Midget. that had been won on Wheel of Fortune.
One owner till it was sold to the kid who flipped it to us.  Extremely rust
free - actually lots of still-shiny threads on things I've taken apart.  A
treat to work on, other than the fact that I didn't realize till we bought
it that Leyland had dropped the BMC engine and shoehorned a Spitfire engine
into it.  I wa always a TR guy - starting with a TR3 in1965.  But it just
doesn't fit in the car well.

 

After I'd renewed hydraulics, brakes, fuel system, etc. she was excited for
a while and drove it all summer, but after a few years she just didn't drive
it much it came out less and less till in 2016 (I think) we just put it
away.  Now, after maybe 6 years in storage, we brought it home, thinking
that with prices up we might recoup some of the giant pile of dollars I put
into the car.

 

So much of the suspension rubber that I put on in 2006-7 has now split and
deteriorated.  Back then there were choices in parts dealers (I haven't been
a Moss fan since Al Moss sold out - used to be a great place to get real TC
parts when that's all they sold).  Now they seem to be the only game in
town, and many of the bad new rubber came from them.  Further, they don't
even list some of it any more.  Rimmer has some stuff too, and the MGOC
lists lots of parts, but I don't know anything about them except the
assumption that they would have good quality.

 

Who can I trust?  Where can I get quality parts nowadays?

 

Thanks!
Karl

 

 

 

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From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 12:46:46 2022
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 13:46:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hi and info request
In-Reply-To: <00ce01d86a14$bd98af60$38ca0e20$@Ameritech.net>
References: <00ce01d86a14$bd98af60$38ca0e20$@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <CBAB6633-9225-48C0-9C40-894508CE6AE4@yahoo.com>

Yes, much comes from the same place  That said, I use:

British Parts Northwest
7Enterprises
Minispares UK
Rimmer Brothers 
APT
MED engineering (UK)

Hope that helps - 
Ron Soave

> On May 17, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Karl Vacek via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi
> I was on this list in the mid-2000?s, but have been away from the list for at least 10 years.
>  
> In 2006 my wife was fondly reminiscing about the 64 MIdget I?d bought for her in 74 when we were first married.  eBay to the rescue ? we bought her a very clean, 14,000 mile 78 Midget. that had been won on Wheel of Fortune. One owner till it was sold to the kid who flipped it to us.  Extremely rust free ? actually lots of still-shiny threads on things I?ve taken apart.  A treat to work on, other than the fact that I didn?t realize till we bought it that Leyland had dropped the BMC engine and shoehorned a Spitfire engine into it.  I wa always a TR guy ? starting with a TR3 in1965.  But it just doesn?t fit in the car well.
>  
> After I?d renewed hydraulics, brakes, fuel system, etc. she was excited for a while and drove it all summer, but after a few years she just didn?t drive it much it came out less and less till in 2016 (I think) we just put it away.  Now, after maybe 6 years in storage, we brought it home, thinking that with prices up we might recoup some of the giant pile of dollars I put into the car.
>  
> So much of the suspension rubber that I put on in 2006-7 has now split and deteriorated.  Back then there were choices in parts dealers (I haven?t been a Moss fan since Al Moss sold out ? used to be a great place to get real TC parts when that?s all they sold).  Now they seem to be the only game in town, and many of the bad new rubber came from them.  Further, they don?t even list some of it any more.  Rimmer has some stuff too, and the MGOC lists lots of parts, but I don?t know anything about them except the assumption that they would have good quality.
>  
> Who can I trust?  Where can I get quality parts nowadays?
>  
> Thanks!
> Karl
>  
>  
>  
> ------------------------
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Tue May 17 13:51:04 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 15:51:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hi and info request
In-Reply-To: <CBAB6633-9225-48C0-9C40-894508CE6AE4@yahoo.com>
References: <CBAB6633-9225-48C0-9C40-894508CE6AE4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <81875B07-09AF-4D2D-A7E1-1EDE8615BAAD@chartermi.net>

Hi Karl,

If you absolutely positively have to buy something from Moss buy it from a Moss dealer instead of from Moss directly.  Jeff Zorn at Little British Car Company will sell you the same Moss crap with a 15% discount and usually cheaper shipping.

Rick

> On May 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes, much comes from the same place  That said, I use:
> 
> British Parts Northwest
> 7Enterprises
> Minispares UK
> Rimmer Brothers 
> APT
> MED engineering (UK)
> 
> Hope that helps - 
> Ron Soave
> 
>>> On May 17, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Karl Vacek via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Hi
>> I was on this list in the mid-2000?s, but have been away from the list for at least 10 years.
>>  
>> In 2006 my wife was fondly reminiscing about the 64 MIdget I?d bought for her in 74 when we were first married.  eBay to the rescue ? we bought her a very clean, 14,000 mile 78 Midget. that had been won on Wheel of Fortune. One owner till it was sold to the kid who flipped it to us.  Extremely rust free ? actually lots of still-shiny threads on things I?ve taken apart.  A treat to work on, other than the fact that I didn?t realize till we bought it that Leyland had dropped the BMC engine and shoehorned a Spitfire engine into it.  I wa always a TR guy ? starting with a TR3 in1965.  But it just doesn?t fit in the car well.
>>  
>> After I?d renewed hydraulics, brakes, fuel system, etc. she was excited for a while and drove it all summer, but after a few years she just didn?t drive it much it came out less and less till in 2016 (I think) we just put it away.  Now, after maybe 6 years in storage, we brought it home, thinking that with prices up we might recoup some of the giant pile of dollars I put into the car.
>>  
>> So much of the suspension rubber that I put on in 2006-7 has now split and deteriorated.  Back then there were choices in parts dealers (I haven?t been a Moss fan since Al Moss sold out ? used to be a great place to get real TC parts when that?s all they sold).  Now they seem to be the only game in town, and many of the bad new rubber came from them.  Further, they don?t even list some of it any more.  Rimmer has some stuff too, and the MGOC lists lots of parts, but I don?t know anything about them except the assumption that they would have good quality.
>>  
>> Who can I trust?  Where can I get quality parts nowadays?
>>  
>> Thanks!
>> Karl
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> ------------------------
>> 
>> spridgets at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation: $12.75
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From miniac7 at aol.com  Tue May 17 13:52:42 2022
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 (null))
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 15:52:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hi and info request
In-Reply-To: <CBAB6633-9225-48C0-9C40-894508CE6AE4@yahoo.com>
References: <CBAB6633-9225-48C0-9C40-894508CE6AE4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BCD4FED1-C0C0-414B-A449-B10A9FE23123@aol.com>

In no particular order:

Moss
Mini Mania
British Parts Northwest
BugeyeGuy 
Winners Circle

Howard Collins 
Sent from my iCouch

> On May 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes, much comes from the same place  That said, I use:
> 
> British Parts Northwest
> 7Enterprises
> Minispares UK
> Rimmer Brothers 
> APT
> MED engineering (UK)
> 
> Hope that helps - 
> Ron Soave
> 
>>> On May 17, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Karl Vacek via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Hi
>> I was on this list in the mid-2000?s, but have been away from the list for at least 10 years.
>>  
>> In 2006 my wife was fondly reminiscing about the 64 MIdget I?d bought for her in 74 when we were first married.  eBay to the rescue ? we bought her a very clean, 14,000 mile 78 Midget. that had been won on Wheel of Fortune. One owner till it was sold to the kid who flipped it to us.  Extremely rust free ? actually lots of still-shiny threads on things I?ve taken apart.  A treat to work on, other than the fact that I didn?t realize till we bought it that Leyland had dropped the BMC engine and shoehorned a Spitfire engine into it.  I wa always a TR guy ? starting with a TR3 in1965.  But it just doesn?t fit in the car well.
>>  
>> After I?d renewed hydraulics, brakes, fuel system, etc. she was excited for a while and drove it all summer, but after a few years she just didn?t drive it much it came out less and less till in 2016 (I think) we just put it away.  Now, after maybe 6 years in storage, we brought it home, thinking that with prices up we might recoup some of the giant pile of dollars I put into the car.
>>  
>> So much of the suspension rubber that I put on in 2006-7 has now split and deteriorated.  Back then there were choices in parts dealers (I haven?t been a Moss fan since Al Moss sold out ? used to be a great place to get real TC parts when that?s all they sold).  Now they seem to be the only game in town, and many of the bad new rubber came from them.  Further, they don?t even list some of it any more.  Rimmer has some stuff too, and the MGOC lists lots of parts, but I don?t know anything about them except the assumption that they would have good quality.
>>  
>> Who can I trust?  Where can I get quality parts nowadays?
>>  
>> Thanks!
>> Karl
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> ------------------------
>> 
>> spridgets at autox.team.net
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation: $12.75
>> 
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets  http://autox.team.net/archive
>> 
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From frog.aye at gmail.com  Tue May 17 17:13:22 2022
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 16:13:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] APT
Message-ID: <CAM6-Rjeo8k7EFGGz5FcDE8QvJDsZZxm+95ZgoBTM4KSqZ2r+Zg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone had recent dealings with APT?   I have an order for which I was
billed in late March.  Order was acknowledged and no further communication
from them.  No response to phone calls and emails. This isn't  the APT that
I recall from previous transactions.  Has there been someone with health
issues? I don't want to be angry with David Anton, but I am getting a bit
frustrated.
Hal
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue May 17 18:22:28 2022
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 19:22:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] APT
In-Reply-To: <CAM6-Rjeo8k7EFGGz5FcDE8QvJDsZZxm+95ZgoBTM4KSqZ2r+Zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6-Rjeo8k7EFGGz5FcDE8QvJDsZZxm+95ZgoBTM4KSqZ2r+Zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79A51F1A-C8B4-4CD8-A3CA-8B751A6F97B0@yahoo.com>

David is in England - I was told by a close friend of his he was dealing with his mother?s illness and also had open heart surgery. 

Ron Soave

> On May 17, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Has anyone had recent dealings with APT?   I have an order for which I was billed in late March.  Order was acknowledged and no further communication from them.  No response to phone calls and emails. This isn't  the APT that I recall from previous transactions.  Has there been someone with health issues? I don't want to be angry with David Anton, but I am getting a bit frustrated.   
> Hal
> ------------------------
> 
> spridgets at autox.team.net
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation: $12.75
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From KVacek at Ameritech.net  Wed May 18 16:24:10 2022
From: KVacek at Ameritech.net (Karl Vacek)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Parts sources and upgrades
References: <002101d86b06$0019b450$004d1cf0$.ref@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <002101d86b06$0019b450$004d1cf0$@Ameritech.net>

Yes, I bought all the Moss stuff from LBCarCo.  Definitely appreciate the discount and the additional degree of separation form Moss.

 

Looks like some of those companies only have Mini stuff, and this is one of the ones after Leyland left their hoofprints on BMC and put a Spitfire engine into the Midget.  One of those details I missed in my enthusiasm to buy her this car.  Probably a decent engine but it just doesn?t fit like the A-Series did.  And the emission controls, which I have maintained but they make it even more crammed and less easy to adjust.

 

Since I have to replace chassis rubber, I?m interested in polyurethane.  However, I?ve been mostly maintaining my everyday cars for many years now and haven?t had much time for my LBC?s.  In looking at replacing suspension bushings on , say, my 99 Cobra, I frequently hear complaints about Poly bushings squeaking, if not immediately then later, even if you use the magic silicone goo from Prothane, etc.  Is that typical for Spridgets too?

 

We intend to sell this car as it?s extremely rust-free and original.  Not likely to become a race car, and I presume a future owner will want it to ride as new as it looks.  The car has always felt floaty on the road as if the shocks were too soft.  Figured it was the Armstrongs but now that I?ve taken them off to send to Peter Caldwell they don?t seem at all bad.  Tires are nearly new Vredesteins, as close to the stock XZX?s as I could find.  Nothing?s notably worn in the front suspension, shock links, sway bar links and mounts, etc, but as long as I?m in there I?m removing, blasting, and repainting the springs, spring seats, and A-arms because they have some rust along with lots of factory paint.  I will of courses rebush whatever I remove.

 

Advice on poly vs rubber bushings, brands, secret sauce to lube things, etc etc?

 

 

Hi Karl,

 

If you absolutely positively have to buy something from Moss buy it from a Moss dealer instead of from Moss directly.  Jeff Zorn at Little British Car Company will sell you the same Moss crap with a 15% discount and usually cheaper shipping.

 

Rick





On May 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

?Yes, much comes from the same place  That said, I use:

 

British Parts Northwest

7Enterprises

Minispares UK

Rimmer Brothers 

APT

MED engineering (UK)


Hope that helps - 

Ron Soave





On May 17, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Karl Vacek via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Hi

I was on this list in the mid-2000?s, but have been away from the list for at least 10 years.

 

In 2006 my wife was fondly reminiscing about the 64 MIdget I?d bought for her in 74 when we were first married.  eBay to the rescue ? we bought her a very clean, 14,000 mile 78 Midget. that had been won on Wheel of Fortune. One owner till it was sold to the kid who flipped it to us.  Extremely rust free ? actually lots of still-shiny threads on things I?ve taken apart.  A treat to work on, other than the fact that I didn?t realize till we bought it that Leyland had dropped the BMC engine and shoehorned a Spitfire engine into it.  I wa always a TR guy ? starting with a TR3 in1965.  But it just doesn?t fit in the car well.

 

After I?d renewed hydraulics, brakes, fuel system, etc. she was excited for a while and drove it all summer, but after a few years she just didn?t drive it much it came out less and less till in 2016 (I think) we just put it away.  Now, after maybe 6 years in storage, we brought it home, thinking that with prices up we might recoup some of the giant pile of dollars I put into the car.

 

So much of the suspension rubber that I put on in 2006-7 has now split and deteriorated.  Back then there were choices in parts dealers (I haven?t been a Moss fan since Al Moss sold out ? used to be a great place to get real TC parts when that?s all they sold).  Now they seem to be the only game in town, and many of the bad new rubber came from them.  Further, they don?t even list some of it any more.  Rimmer has some stuff too, and the MGOC lists lots of parts, but I don?t know anything about them except the assumption that they would have good quality.

 

Who can I trust?  Where can I get quality parts nowadays?

 

Thanks!
Karl

 

 

 

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From frog.aye at gmail.com  Wed May 18 18:14:53 2022
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:14:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] APT
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Ron, thank you for your replyI was a bit worried that it might be something
serious, like you describe.  But this appears to be a bit of a double
whammy and leaves me in a bit of a quandary as I really need to make some
progress on my car but also want to support APT as much as possible.

Hal

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 5:22 PM Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> David is in England - I was told by a close friend of his he was dealing
> with his mother?s illness and also had open heart surgery.
>
> Ron Soave
>
> > On May 17, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Has anyone had recent dealings with APT?   I have an order for which I
> was billed in late March.  Order was acknowledged and no further
> communication from them.  No response to phone calls and emails. This
> isn't  the APT that I recall from previous transactions.  Has there been
> someone with health issues? I don't want to be angry with David Anton, but
> I am getting a bit frustrated.
> > Hal
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 18:57:58 2022
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 19:57:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] APT
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I hear you. Is there anything I can help with? 

Ron Soave

> On May 18, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Ron, thank you for your replyI was a bit worried that it might be something serious, like you describe.  But this appears to be a bit of a double whammy and leaves me in a bit of a quandary as I really need to make some progress on my car but also want to support APT as much as possible.
> 
> Hal
> 
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 5:22 PM Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> David is in England - I was told by a close friend of his he was dealing with his mother?s illness and also had open heart surgery. 
>> 
>> Ron Soave
>> 
>> > On May 17, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> > ?
>> > Has anyone had recent dealings with APT?   I have an order for which I was billed in late March.  Order was acknowledged and no further communication from them.  No response to phone calls and emails. This isn't  the APT that I recall from previous transactions.  Has there been someone with health issues? I don't want to be angry with David Anton, but I am getting a bit frustrated.   
>> > Hal
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 19:10:00 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:10:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] APT
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I am 5 minutes from David's store.  I can take a trip over there tomorrow
and see if his wife is still fulfilling orders, if she stayed home.
Mike MacLean


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 5:58 PM Ron Soave via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I hear you. Is there anything I can help with?
>
> Ron Soave
>
> On May 18, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> Ron, thank you for your replyI was a bit worried that it might be
> something serious, like you describe.  But this appears to be a bit of a
> double whammy and leaves me in a bit of a quandary as I really need to make
> some progress on my car but also want to support APT as much as possible.
>
> Hal
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 5:22 PM Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> David is in England - I was told by a close friend of his he was dealing
>> with his mother?s illness and also had open heart surgery.
>>
>> Ron Soave
>>
>> > On May 17, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <
>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > Has anyone had recent dealings with APT?   I have an order for which I
>> was billed in late March.  Order was acknowledged and no further
>> communication from them.  No response to phone calls and emails. This
>> isn't  the APT that I recall from previous transactions.  Has there been
>> someone with health issues? I don't want to be angry with David Anton, but
>> I am getting a bit frustrated.
>> > Hal
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Thu May 19 16:04:44 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 15:04:44 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOMgFo_ywNTFpULK_ggL+1ft3kUKA2pXXGX7dPbQ-Ftxsw@mail.gmail.com>

Bought an aluminum radiator from EBay for the Bugeye.  It's very well made
with beautiful welding everywhere.  The problem is, it comes with it's own
radiator cap rated at 15 pounds.  As you guys well know the Bugeye system
is a 7 pound system.  Will this cause a problem somewhere else in the
system because of the high pressure?  Geesh, this radiator even comes with
a hex plug in the temp probe bung!  My probe is in the head of my 1275.
How convenGeese,
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Thu May 19 17:37:13 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 19:37:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
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I run my Chinese aluminum downflow radiator with a 13 pound cap.  No heater and no problems.

> On May 19, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Bought an aluminum radiator from EBay for the Bugeye.  It's very well made with beautiful welding everywhere.  The problem is, it comes with it's own radiator cap rated at 15 pounds.  As you guys well know the Bugeye system is a 7 pound system.  Will this cause a problem somewhere else in the system because of the high pressure?  Geesh, this radiator even comes with a hex plug in the temp probe bung!  My probe is in the head of my 1275.  How convenGeese,
> Mike MacLean 
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 17:43:54 2022
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 18:43:54 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
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I thought you were using the Ron Davis?

Ron Soave

> On May 19, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I run my Chinese aluminum downflow radiator with a 13 pound cap.  No heater and no problems.
> 
>> On May 19, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Bought an aluminum radiator from EBay for the Bugeye.  It's very well made with beautiful welding everywhere.  The problem is, it comes with it's own radiator cap rated at 15 pounds.  As you guys well know the Bugeye system is a 7 pound system.  Will this cause a problem somewhere else in the system because of the high pressure?  Geesh, this radiator even comes with a hex plug in the temp probe bung!  My probe is in the head of my 1275.  How convenGeese,
>> Mike MacLean 
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu May 19 17:03:44 2022
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 16:03:44 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
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I?m sure Soave would know the boiling temp of a 15lb system at sea level. I don?t see any reason to go that high, but what do I know.  Can't you get another cap?



From refisk at chartermi.net  Thu May 19 18:24:44 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 20:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
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Nope.  The Ron Davis radiator is full of unknown crap, so I replaced it with a Chinese clone.  A new Ron Davis downflow radiator is $1200 with a ten week lead time, so Chinese it is.  Every tube is full of this crap.

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> On May 19, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I thought you were using the Ron Davis?
> 
> Ron Soave
> 
>> On May 19, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I run my Chinese aluminum downflow radiator with a 13 pound cap.  No heater and no problems.
>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Bought an aluminum radiator from EBay for the Bugeye.  It's very well made with beautiful welding everywhere.  The problem is, it comes with it's own radiator cap rated at 15 pounds.  As you guys well know the Bugeye system is a 7 pound system.  Will this cause a problem somewhere else in the system because of the high pressure?  Geesh, this radiator even comes with a hex plug in the temp probe bung!  My probe is in the head of my 1275.  How convenGeese,
>>> Mike MacLean 
>>> ------------------------
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 19:45:17 2022
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 20:45:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
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250F. 

Ron Soave

> On May 19, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Billy Zoom via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m sure Soave would know the boiling temp of a 15lb system at sea level. I don?t see any reason to go that high, but what do I know.  Can't you get another cap?
> 
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Thu May 19 20:00:12 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 19:00:12 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
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I can get a new one.  I will just have to go into NAPA to find one that
fits.  There are no part numbers on the 15 lb cap to cross reference.
MikeM.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:45 PM Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 250F.
>
> Ron Soave
>
> > On May 19, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Billy Zoom via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?I?m sure Soave would know the boiling temp of a 15lb system at sea
> level. I don?t see any reason to go that high, but what do I know.  Can't
> you get another cap?
> >
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Thu May 19 22:30:15 2022
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (AOL Mail Update (Terms & Policy))
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 04:30:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Aluminum (or Aluminium if your in the UK) radiator
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 Be careful with radiator cap choice.Check the depth of the neck where the cap attaches.Why?Bugeyes early MGB and a few other cars had a slightly deeper neck.? Deeper as in the distance between the cap seat on top of the fill neck to the sealing area where the cap seals coolant in the radiator.? ?Years ago I needed a cap for my bugeye and ended up with a Datsun 1600 roadster cap because the Stant off the shelf caps would not seal the coolant due to the seal not making contact.Just be careful when buying another cap.Chuck
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022, 10:00:53 PM EDT, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I can get a new one.? I will just have to go into NAPA to find one that fits.? There are no part numbers on the 15 lb cap to cross reference.MikeM.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:45 PM Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

250F. 

Ron Soave

> On May 19, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Billy Zoom via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m sure Soave would know the boiling temp of a 15lb system at sea level. I don?t see any reason to go that high, but what do I know.? Can't you get another cap?
> 
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From KVacek at Ameritech.net  Fri May 20 20:52:40 2022
From: KVacek at Ameritech.net (Karl Vacek)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 21:52:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Lower fulcrum lock pin
References: <01ba01d86cbd$d6dbd6e0$849384a0$.ref@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <01ba01d86cbd$d6dbd6e0$849384a0$@Ameritech.net>

51K1769 - Moss 264-445

The tapered pins that lock the lower fulcrum pins into the bottom of the
king pins.  Nut and washer on the bottom - taper requires them to come out
the top.

 

Removed the nuts.  Soaked with Kroil.  Neither one wants to drive out.
A-arms and kingpin/rotor assemblies off the car already so I have good
access to everything.

 

I've dealt with this type of pin before but never had them so stuck.  TC has
them through the axle, but those are usually cooperative.

 

Next plan is to MIG a nut onto the top of the pins to give me something to
help pull them out, but before that is there any other trick to getting
these out?

 

This is a low-mileage, rust-free car.  

 

Thanks!
Karl

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From refisk at chartermi.net  Fri May 20 21:02:58 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 23:02:58 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Lower fulcrum lock pin
In-Reply-To: <01ba01d86cbd$d6dbd6e0$849384a0$@Ameritech.net>
References: <01ba01d86cbd$d6dbd6e0$849384a0$@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <01EB25DF-1E44-4385-92C2-BB6540613CB2@chartermi.net>

I loosen the nut until it is flush with the end of the stud and then whack it a good one with my hammer.  

> On May 20, 2022, at 10:53 PM, Karl Vacek via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 51K1769 ? Moss 264-445
> The tapered pins that lock the lower fulcrum pins into the bottom of the king pins.  Nut and washer on the bottom ? taper requires them to come out the top.
>  
> Removed the nuts.  Soaked with Kroil.  Neither one wants to drive out.  A-arms and kingpin/rotor assemblies off the car already so I have good access to everything.
>  
> I?ve dealt with this type of pin before but never had them so stuck.  TC has them through the axle, but those are usually cooperative.
>  
> Next plan is to MIG a nut onto the top of the pins to give me something to help pull them out, but before that is there any other trick to getting these out?
>  
> This is a low-mileage, rust-free car. 
>  
> Thanks!
> Karl
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From KVacek at Ameritech.net  Fri May 20 21:15:43 2022
From: KVacek at Ameritech.net (Karl Vacek)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 22:15:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Lower fulcrum lock pin
In-Reply-To: <01EB25DF-1E44-4385-92C2-BB6540613CB2@chartermi.net>
References: <01ba01d86cbd$d6dbd6e0$849384a0$@Ameritech.net>
 <01EB25DF-1E44-4385-92C2-BB6540613CB2@chartermi.net>
Message-ID: <01c801d86cc1$0eea3e70$2cbebb50$@Ameritech.net>

First thing I did on both sides but neither moved.  Eventually beat the pins and nuts so badly that I took the nuts off and the threaded portion on one side was bent.  Plenty of room to get penetrant in there.

 

I eventually just took the whole assemblies off the car for better access but still no luck.

 

Didn?t try heat yet, but if I do that I probably should then replace the otherwise-good kingpins.

 

 

 

From: Rick Fisk [mailto:refisk at chartermi.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 10:03 PM
To: Karl Vacek
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lower fulcrum lock pin

 

I loosen the nut until it is flush with the end of the stud and then whack it a good one with my hammer.  





On May 20, 2022, at 10:53 PM, Karl Vacek via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

51K1769 ? Moss 264-445

The tapered pins that lock the lower fulcrum pins into the bottom of the king pins.  Nut and washer on the bottom ? taper requires them to come out the top.

 

Removed the nuts.  Soaked with Kroil.  Neither one wants to drive out.  A-arms and kingpin/rotor assemblies off the car already so I have good access to everything.

 

I?ve dealt with this type of pin before but never had them so stuck.  TC has them through the axle, but those are usually cooperative.

 

Next plan is to MIG a nut onto the top of the pins to give me something to help pull them out, but before that is there any other trick to getting these out?

 

This is a low-mileage, rust-free car.  

 

Thanks!
Karl

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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Fri May 20 21:52:29 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 20:52:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Lower fulcrum lock pin
In-Reply-To: <01c801d86cc1$0eea3e70$2cbebb50$@Ameritech.net>
References: <01ba01d86cbd$d6dbd6e0$849384a0$@Ameritech.net>
 <01EB25DF-1E44-4385-92C2-BB6540613CB2@chartermi.net>
 <01c801d86cc1$0eea3e70$2cbebb50$@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOP0cWKcdrfqueERcnvNhAS3o=BbXcbCjKvWTz1tK8m0PA@mail.gmail.com>

Sawzall.
Mike MacLean

On Fri, May 20, 2022, 8:16 PM Karl Vacek via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> First thing I did on both sides but neither moved.  Eventually beat the
> pins and nuts so badly that I took the nuts off and the threaded portion on
> one side was bent.  Plenty of room to get penetrant in there.
>
>
>
> I eventually just took the whole assemblies off the car for better access
> but still no luck.
>
>
>
> Didn?t try heat yet, but if I do that I probably should then replace the
> otherwise-good kingpins.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Rick Fisk [mailto:refisk at chartermi.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2022 10:03 PM
> *To:* Karl Vacek
> *Cc:* spridgets at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Spridgets] Lower fulcrum lock pin
>
>
>
> I loosen the nut until it is flush with the end of the stud and then whack
> it a good one with my hammer.
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2022, at 10:53 PM, Karl Vacek via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> 51K1769 ? Moss 264-445
>
> The tapered pins that lock the lower fulcrum pins into the bottom of the
> king pins.  Nut and washer on the bottom ? taper requires them to come out
> the top.
>
>
>
> Removed the nuts.  Soaked with Kroil.  Neither one wants to drive out.
> A-arms and kingpin/rotor assemblies off the car already so I have good
> access to everything.
>
>
>
> I?ve dealt with this type of pin before but never had them so stuck.  TC
> has them through the axle, but those are usually cooperative.
>
>
>
> Next plan is to MIG a nut onto the top of the pins to give me something to
> help pull them out, but before that is there any other trick to getting
> these out?
>
>
>
> This is a low-mileage, rust-free car.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> Karl
>
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From pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com  Sun May 22 19:02:47 2022
From: pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com (Gerard)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 18:02:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] David Anton
Message-ID: <D3EF89E7-FEED-466F-97D7-5CD6FAEE8206@gerardsgarage.com>

Group,

I just had the pleasure of talking to David Anton on the phone.

I saw there was some discussion recently regarding his seeming disappearance. He wanted me to let everyone know that he?s been in the hospital the last four weeks, and that Lori has been overwhelmed trying to keep up with everything. He asked me to let everyone know he?s ?alive and kicking? and doing fine, but he?s going to be taking it easy at home for a while. He?s unable to spend more than about an hour at the shop at the moment. 

Also, he extends his apologies to those who?ve been waiting on items and contact will be made soon; there?s just a lot to catch up on.

Gerard 

Sent from my iPhone

From emailme at greggowins.com  Mon May 23 08:33:55 2022
From: emailme at greggowins.com (Greg Gowins)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 14:33:55 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Weekend 1 recap
Message-ID: <01000180f156bd13-1a333f56-88f5-4957-bf47-c6f63ccc5555-000000@email.amazonses.com>

The Texas OSHIT has started!  Mark Haynes flew into town on Friday
afternoon, and after picking him up and heading back to my house, we got
started.  We got a lay of the land of the two Sprites and came up with the
gameplan on how to tackle things.   Both Sprites had been sitting for quite
a while, with my Sprite always garaged, and my Dad's Sprite sitting outside
in his backyard.  We weren't too hopeful for the prospects of getting his
running quickly, so we decided to make the main focus to get my engine
running.

I had planned to take my engine to the machine shop, then start ordering
from Hap, but when I contacted  my machine shop last month they told me
they have a three month backlog.  Mark took a look at my engine, and
confirmed that it actually looked ok, and I didn't damage my pistons or
cylinder walls when I ingested a washer from the Weber downdraft air
cleaner.  We grabbed a mill bastard file and some scotch-brite, and he
lightly filed the head down and cleaned up the pistons and cylinder walls.
We also worked on removing the gas tank from my Dad's Sprite.  Opened the
drain plug, and just a trickle of fuel came out.  Surprisingly, the nuts
holding it on turned easily, and weren't rusted solid.  We drop the tank,
and it weighs a ton.  It is full of varnish sludge, and was rusted through
in a couple of places on top.

On Saturday we woke up nice and early to get back to work.  Right as we
started, the AC guy showed up to install the coolant lines for a mini-split
AC I put in a room right off my garage.  Which was a godsend, because it
got up to 101 that day, and by using a fan, it can spread that cold air
into the garage.  We then work to get the engine and transmission out of my
Dad's Sprite.  The SU carbs are seized, which to us didn't bode well to the
rest of the engine.  We pull off the valve cover, and to our surprise, it
looked pristine!  A light sheen of oil on everything, and looked perfectly
normal.  We drained the oil out of the transmission and engine, and it was
all oil, no water.  A very promising sign.  We pull the plugs out of the
head, and then try to turn the engine.  We can do it by hand!  After
sitting outside since the late 1990s, it hadn't seized.

After lunch, we are visited by a new Sprite owner from a nearby town
Richard R., who bought a Sprite for his daughter.  They are new to LBCs,
and we spent a few hours visiting and answering questions they had on
various things about their new purchase.  He had a strange issue with the
wipers where they would jump up to vertical, then only wipe about 20
degrees side to side, and would have to be moved manually back to the down
position when turned off.  But if you had newspaper under the wiper blades,
it operated as expected.   Mark and I took a look, and nothing was jumping
out to us.  Mark and I proceeded to get back to the Sprites, and find that
I had done some screwups when I installed the Rivergate 5 Speed back in
2000.  I didn't remove the facing piece off of the clutch pressure plate,
and it had sheared some retaining rings for it off, and knocked the pilot
bushing out as well and broke it into several pieces.  We found the piece
of the pressure plate in front of the throw out bearing.  So I had to order
both of those parts so we can get things put back together.

On Sunday we started bright and early, and got both Sprites out of the
garage.  They both are on wheel dollies, which makes it much easier to move
them around.  I also have a guest in the garage, a Harley Dyna-glide which
is owned by my boss.  It has a bigger engine than the Sprites, and probably
weighs more as well.   My Sprite had become a bit of extra storage space in
the garage, so I cleaned everything out and removed the old interior.
 Then I pulled out lots of boxes of stuff I ordered from Vicky Brit back in
2000 when I was planning to redo the Sprite.  I had a full interior kit
which was still in perfect condition.  While I was doing that, Mark worked
on doing a three card monty with trunk handles and locks.  My Dad's trunk
lid was shot, and I had a new lid for mine, so Mark worked on the removal
and reinstall of the handles.  Around lunch time, my parents arrived from
Fort Worth, so after introductions to Mark, we walked my Dad through what
we'd done to his Sprite.

We are going to do the Creative Spridgets serpentine belt conversion on
both of them, so after lunch we started on the process of removing the
crankshaft pulley.  After tracking down a 1 5/16th socket, we pulled out
the impact wrench.  The one on my Dad's engine didn't budge.  This was the
first connector that we've had an issue trying to remove.  Mine spun off
easily.  We then proceed to remove the timing cover and sump pan on mine.
There was a lot of slop in my timing chain, so ordered a new set to install
this week.  We've ordered the reinforcement plates from British Car Fixes
for the timing cover and sump pan coming to install as well.

That's the wrap up for the first weekend.  Mark is staying through the
week, as is my Dad.  Jack Orkin and his wife are driving in from Atlanta
tomorrow evening, and will be here until Friday morning.  So we'll have an
extra set of hands to tackle engine reassembly once the parts arrive on
Tuesday/Wednesday.

Looking forward to seeing what we can get done this week!  The goal is to
get mine to fire by Memorial Day.  For being outside so long, my Dad's is
in surprisingly good mechanical shape.  There is a lot of surface rust, but
the engine/transmission seem to be completely solid.

Greg Gowins
'69 Sprite
Driftwood, TX
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From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Sat May 28 09:48:23 2022
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 15:48:23 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Valve Spring Retainers
Message-ID: <BL0PR13MB42766A23748E7EB8626DE639C2DB9@BL0PR13MB4276.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

So,
I pulled my Valve Cover yesterday. Was planning to modify it for more Breathing. Has a Lot of Blowby, but that's for another post. ?
I happen to see a piece of metal between the rockers on the top of the head. Thinking WTF is that from?
Move around to the other side of the engine and see pic #2, Well crap, that's not good.
Car ran fine the night before. Guess I got lucky that what was left still held on to get me home.
I believe they are Titanium Retainers. Super light, and not bendable.
Don't know a ton about this engine.
What I do know.
built in 2000. I acquired it in 2014. Sat unused awaiting owner to install in a Bugeye Project and passed away.
1275, .030 over, 9.75:1,  Kent 266 cam w/ Belt drive, 1.5:1 roller rockers. Pierce Alum head, HS2s w ported intake.
Don't know Spring manufacturer.
How do I go about finding a replacement Retainer? Do I have to get a full set? Titanium ones are $200+ a set
If I have to get a full set, can I use hardened Steel ones? Engine doesn't see 8000 rpm, 7000 occasionally. ?
Any insight appreciated.

Thanks,


Brian S.
Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
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From weslake1330 at gmail.com  Sat May 28 13:23:43 2022
From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 20:23:43 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Valve Spring Retainers
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References: <BL0PR13MB42766A23748E7EB8626DE639C2DB9@BL0PR13MB4276.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhoh1UiZeeJyAAh5H36vQhLe+w-FgSt_6bnAUHyfcrQb7qPgg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd expect you'd have to get a full set.  If it were me I'd want to know
why the retainer failed and I'd return it to the manufacturer for a
post-mortem and possibly free of charge replacement part.  I'm guessing the
retainers might be made by Titan, or Kent.  I have the APT version of the
286 Scatter pattern and I really see the need to use more than 6000 rpm
(except in 5th on a 3.9 diff with 70 profile tyres - you do the math!) and
the engine has standard retainers on 1.5 Rockers.  I forget why I was told
not to bother with Ti retainers but since it was David Anton who told me I
took his advice.


Regards

Daniel

On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 16:55, brian S via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> So,
> I pulled my Valve Cover yesterday. Was planning to modify it for more
> Breathing. Has a Lot of Blowby, but that's for another post. ?
> I happen to see a piece of metal between the rockers on the top of the
> head. Thinking WTF is that from?
> Move around to the other side of the engine and see pic #2, Well crap,
> that's not good.
> Car ran fine the night before. Guess I got lucky that what was left still
> held on to get me home.
> I believe they are Titanium Retainers. Super light, and not bendable.
> Don't know a ton about this engine.
> What I do know.
> built in 2000. I acquired it in 2014. Sat unused awaiting owner to install
> in a Bugeye Project and passed away.
> 1275, .030 over, 9.75:1,  Kent 266 cam w/ Belt drive, 1.5:1 roller
> rockers. Pierce Alum head, HS2s w ported intake.
> Don't know Spring manufacturer.
> How do I go about finding a replacement Retainer? Do I have to get a full
> set? Titanium ones are $200+ a set
> If I have to get a full set, can I use hardened Steel ones? Engine doesn't
> see 8000 rpm, 7000 occasionally. ?
> Any insight appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brian S.
> Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
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From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Sun May 29 12:05:13 2022
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 18:05:13 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Valve Spring Retainers
In-Reply-To: <CAMhoh1UiZeeJyAAh5H36vQhLe+w-FgSt_6bnAUHyfcrQb7qPgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR13MB42766A23748E7EB8626DE639C2DB9@BL0PR13MB4276.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <BL0PR13MB4276CDCF398CD12E443623BFC2DA9@BL0PR13MB4276.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Daniel,

I'll have to check them for any markings when I get it apart.
It was suggested by someone else that they are Isky Aluminium and that that inner spring may have failed causing the retainer failure.

Hap at ACME suggested new Minispares springs and Competition type Steel retainers also.
Probably gonna go that route.

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
________________________________
From: Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 3:23 PM
To: brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com>
Cc: spridgets list <spridgets at autox.team.net>; OSHIT <EasternOshitGroup at groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Valve Spring Retainers

I'd expect you'd have to get a full set.  If it were me I'd want to know why the retainer failed and I'd return it to the manufacturer for a post-mortem and possibly free of charge replacement part.  I'm guessing the retainers might be made by Titan, or Kent.  I have the APT version of the 286 Scatter pattern and I really see the need to use more than 6000 rpm (except in 5th on a 3.9 diff with 70 profile tyres - you do the math!) and the engine has standard retainers on 1.5 Rockers.  I forget why I was told not to bother with Ti retainers but since it was David Anton who told me I took his advice.


Regards

Daniel

On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 16:55, brian S via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net<mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>> wrote:
So,
I pulled my Valve Cover yesterday. Was planning to modify it for more Breathing. Has a Lot of Blowby, but that's for another post. ?
I happen to see a piece of metal between the rockers on the top of the head. Thinking WTF is that from?
Move around to the other side of the engine and see pic #2, Well crap, that's not good.
Car ran fine the night before. Guess I got lucky that what was left still held on to get me home.
I believe they are Titanium Retainers. Super light, and not bendable.
Don't know a ton about this engine.
What I do know.
built in 2000. I acquired it in 2014. Sat unused awaiting owner to install in a Bugeye Project and passed away.
1275, .030 over, 9.75:1,  Kent 266 cam w/ Belt drive, 1.5:1 roller rockers. Pierce Alum head, HS2s w ported intake.
Don't know Spring manufacturer.
How do I go about finding a replacement Retainer? Do I have to get a full set? Titanium ones are $200+ a set
If I have to get a full set, can I use hardened Steel ones? Engine doesn't see 8000 rpm, 7000 occasionally. ?
Any insight appreciated.

Thanks,


Brian S.
Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Sun May 29 12:13:11 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 14:13:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Valve Spring Retainers
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The MiniSpares springs work with 1.5 rockers and don't bind up  I run their stuff on my 1275.  :-)

> On May 29, 2022, at 2:05 PM, brian S via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks Daniel,
> 
> I'll have to check them for any markings when I get it apart.
> It was suggested by someone else that they are Isky Aluminium and that that inner spring may have failed causing the retainer failure.
> 
> Hap at ACME suggested new Minispares springs and Competition type Steel retainers also.
> Probably gonna go that route.
> 
> Brian S.
> Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
> From: Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 3:23 PM
> To: brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: spridgets list <spridgets at autox.team.net>; OSHIT <EasternOshitGroup at groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Valve Spring Retainers
>  
> I'd expect you'd have to get a full set.  If it were me I'd want to know why the retainer failed and I'd return it to the manufacturer for a post-mortem and possibly free of charge replacement part.  I'm guessing the retainers might be made by Titan, or Kent.  I have the APT version of the 286 Scatter pattern and I really see the need to use more than 6000 rpm (except in 5th on a 3.9 diff with 70 profile tyres - you do the math!) and the engine has standard retainers on 1.5 Rockers.  I forget why I was told not to bother with Ti retainers but since it was David Anton who told me I took his advice.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Daniel
> 
> On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 16:55, brian S via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> So,
> I pulled my Valve Cover yesterday. Was planning to modify it for more Breathing. Has a Lot of Blowby, but that's for another post. ?
> I happen to see a piece of metal between the rockers on the top of the head. Thinking WTF is that from?
> Move around to the other side of the engine and see pic #2, Well crap, that's not good.
> Car ran fine the night before. Guess I got lucky that what was left still held on to get me home.
> I believe they are Titanium Retainers. Super light, and not bendable.
> Don't know a ton about this engine. 
> What I do know.
> built in 2000. I acquired it in 2014. Sat unused awaiting owner to install in a Bugeye Project and passed away.
> 1275, .030 over, 9.75:1,  Kent 266 cam w/ Belt drive, 1.5:1 roller rockers. Pierce Alum head, HS2s w ported intake.
> Don't know Spring manufacturer. 
> How do I go about finding a replacement Retainer? Do I have to get a full set? Titanium ones are $200+ a set
> If I have to get a full set, can I use hardened Steel ones? Engine doesn't see 8000 rpm, 7000 occasionally. ?
> Any insight appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Brian S.
> Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
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From emailme at greggowins.com  Mon May 30 09:12:13 2022
From: emailme at greggowins.com (Greg Gowins)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 15:12:13 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
Message-ID: <0100018115865317-233a307a-260d-4fcb-b66b-91b3ace8a37b-000000@email.amazonses.com>

Hello fellow Spridgeteers,

We last left off with ordering a bunch of parts last Sunday, based on what
we discovered over the weekend.  I had to work during the day, so wasn't
available as much as I liked Monday to Wednesday.

On Monday, my Dad proceeded to finish the removal of the interior on his
car.  He had a couple of stubborn bolts for the seat rails, both with the
bolt in the captive nuts, as well as the two through nuts.  He was able to
grind the heads down and got them out.  While this was going on Mark worked
on prepping the engines for the installation of the parts we ordered.  Once
I was done with work I joined in for a couple of hours of work that
evening.  After much PB Blaster and continuous application of the impact
wrench and gentle persuasion from a BFH, the crank pulley finally came off
of my Dad's engine.

Tuesday ended up being more of the same, doing prep work in anticipation of
the parts arriving.  I painted my gas tank with truck bed liner, and we got
it installed along with the ancillary bits.  I was missing a couple of
items, so I borrowed (stole) them from the cache of parts my Dad had
previously ordered for his Sprite.    That evening, Jack and Kathy Orkin
arrived from Atlanta, and swung by to see what kind of progress we'd made,
and what to expect over the next three days.

On Wednesday, we anticipated the arrival of the parts.  I had 7 boxes of
stuff arriving from three different carriers.   Usually UPS and FedEx
arrive mid-morning, but today I was at the end of the delivery line.  Most
of the stuff arrived around 3pm.  Once the parts arrived, there was a
flurry of activity.  Mark started on getting the Vernier timing gear set
installed on my engine.  We discovered that the coolant bypass on the
bottom of the Pierce aluminum head was tapped differently than the bypass
on the cast iron head.   Got a hold of Pierce, and it was tapped 1/4 NPT,
so just had to find the right fitting at a home improvement or auto parts
store.

On Thursday, there was more work getting the parts installed.  Mark and
Jack worked on my engine, getting the head re-installed, the new serpentine
pulley put on the crank, the timing gear and sump gaskets in place.   I
took off work in the early afternoon, and started on the pieces for the VW
Rabbit radiator conversion.  I got the radiator in the general spot, and
started to plan out where mounts needed to be fabricated to get it into
place.   My Dad worked on fabricating the mounts for the tensioners out of
1 x 1.5 aluminum bar.   That was slow going with the tool we had, and the
thickness of the material.  After a long day of work, we ate as a group at
The Salt Lick BBQ restaurant in Driftwood.

Waking up on Friday, our goal was to get my engine in place and to get it
to fire by the end of the day.. We got the Datsun 5 speed mated to the rear
of the engine, then spent quite a bit of time getting the serpentine
pulleys to align.  The alternator ended up being the difficult child, and
we spent a couple of hours grinding and filing surfaces, finally getting it
to line up.  Got the serpentine belt installed, then got the drive train
back into the car.   After we got the drivetrain back in, I then started
working on plumbing the new radiator.  My setup was just enough different
from the examples on Creative Spridgets that I had to deviate quite a bit.
But we got it in place.  Mark double checked the torque on the head bolts,
and we then proceeded to get oil into the transmission and engine.
Unfortunately we discovered that the fuel pump would not come back to life,
so we used a "Jack Tank", which was Jack Orkin holding a bottle with fuel
and squeezing it to deliver fuel to the carb.    Here was what happened:

https://wx.greggowins.com/weewx/videos/index.html

The first time the engine had fired since end of 2000/beginning of 2001!
Didn't have to do anything to the Weber carb even after it was sitting all
that time.     We then had a celebratory beer, followed by another group
dinner at the Hays City Store (try the onion rings).   After dinner we said
our goodbyes to Jack and Kathy, who were heading back to Georgia the next
morning.

On Saturday, the plan was to do the work to dial in the engine and get the
radiator fully working.  Here is where Lord Lucas reared his head.  There
is some kind of demon that possesses the timing of my engine.  We got the
pulley mark to TDC, and then pulled the valve cover to confirm that yes,
the engine was at TDC.  The engine would not fire at all.  We move the
distributor around, and get it back to a spot where the engine would start
and run. Get the timing light down there, and the mark was nearly 90
degrees off of where it should have been.  Rock the mark back to TDC, pull
the valve cover, checked the valve position, and verified we had the plug
wires connected as expected.  The engine would only run at the bizarre
marking.  Not sure if anyone else has experienced anything like this, all
we could figure is that there was something really strange going on with
the dog on the distributor.   So from that point we fine tuned the timing
and got the carbs dialed in.  The engine will fire on the first crank, and
instantly responds to throttle input.   That evening, we took Mark to his
first pro rugby match, and the hometown Austin team beat San Diego.

Sunday morning we took Mark to the airport for his flight home, then we
headed to a pick-a-part to find some stuff for my Dad's Sprite.  He wants
to put Miata seats in his, as well as the Creative Spridgets rear disc
brake conversion.  We completely struck out.  None the Miatas had seats,
and all of the Sentras had rear drums.  I poked around to see if there was
a SLK with an Eaton Supercharger, but none of those were to be found
either.

Thanks to Mark and Jack for coming out to help get these projects going,
after both cars have been sitting so long.   I'm planning to get mine
reassembled and inspected within the next couple of weeks.   It will be
ugly, but able to be on the road.   My Dad is planning to spend quite a bit
of time here in July getting body work done on his, and treating the rust
that we've found.  We've buttoned his engine back up, and it will be ready
to reinstall when we get to that point.

It was an eventful 10 days!  Always great to spend time with fellow
Spridget folks and work on these cars.   There were many mentions of Frank
during the time we were working on these, and I have one of the stickers to
put on the glass once the project is finished.

Greg Gowins
Driftwood, TX
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From dtwoerpel at gmail.com  Mon May 30 15:51:02 2022
From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (Dave and Terri Woerpel)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 16:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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CONGRATULATIONS ALL!!  Sorry I could not be there; too many projects and
trying to get the MGA back together under time constraints.  Great diary
account and great to hear the engine running.  Do not know how the dizzy
dog can be 90* out...that is an interesting dilemma and am anxious to know
the answer.  Good luck with Dad's car and enjoy driving yours!

Dave W.

'59 :{)
'59 MGA 1500

Burlington WI

"Pay It Forward"   Anyone need OEM wheels vented or slotted?









On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:12 AM Greg Gowins via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello fellow Spridgeteers,
>
> We last left off with ordering a bunch of parts last Sunday, based on what
> we discovered over the weekend.  I had to work during the day, so wasn't
> available as much as I liked Monday to Wednesday.
>
> On Monday, my Dad proceeded to finish the removal of the interior on his
> car.  He had a couple of stubborn bolts for the seat rails, both with the
> bolt in the captive nuts, as well as the two through nuts.  He was able to
> grind the heads down and got them out.  While this was going on Mark worked
> on prepping the engines for the installation of the parts we ordered.  Once
> I was done with work I joined in for a couple of hours of work that
> evening.  After much PB Blaster and continuous application of the impact
> wrench and gentle persuasion from a BFH, the crank pulley finally came off
> of my Dad's engine.
>
> Tuesday ended up being more of the same, doing prep work in anticipation
> of the parts arriving.  I painted my gas tank with truck bed liner, and we
> got it installed along with the ancillary bits.  I was missing a couple of
> items, so I borrowed (stole) them from the cache of parts my Dad had
> previously ordered for his Sprite.    That evening, Jack and Kathy Orkin
> arrived from Atlanta, and swung by to see what kind of progress we'd made,
> and what to expect over the next three days.
>
> On Wednesday, we anticipated the arrival of the parts.  I had 7 boxes of
> stuff arriving from three different carriers.   Usually UPS and FedEx
> arrive mid-morning, but today I was at the end of the delivery line.  Most
> of the stuff arrived around 3pm.  Once the parts arrived, there was a
> flurry of activity.  Mark started on getting the Vernier timing gear set
> installed on my engine.  We discovered that the coolant bypass on the
> bottom of the Pierce aluminum head was tapped differently than the bypass
> on the cast iron head.   Got a hold of Pierce, and it was tapped 1/4 NPT,
> so just had to find the right fitting at a home improvement or auto parts
> store.
>
> On Thursday, there was more work getting the parts installed.  Mark and
> Jack worked on my engine, getting the head re-installed, the new serpentine
> pulley put on the crank, the timing gear and sump gaskets in place.   I
> took off work in the early afternoon, and started on the pieces for the VW
> Rabbit radiator conversion.  I got the radiator in the general spot, and
> started to plan out where mounts needed to be fabricated to get it into
> place.   My Dad worked on fabricating the mounts for the tensioners out of
> 1 x 1.5 aluminum bar.   That was slow going with the tool we had, and the
> thickness of the material.  After a long day of work, we ate as a group at
> The Salt Lick BBQ restaurant in Driftwood.
>
> Waking up on Friday, our goal was to get my engine in place and to get it
> to fire by the end of the day.. We got the Datsun 5 speed mated to the rear
> of the engine, then spent quite a bit of time getting the serpentine
> pulleys to align.  The alternator ended up being the difficult child, and
> we spent a couple of hours grinding and filing surfaces, finally getting it
> to line up.  Got the serpentine belt installed, then got the drive train
> back into the car.   After we got the drivetrain back in, I then started
> working on plumbing the new radiator.  My setup was just enough different
> from the examples on Creative Spridgets that I had to deviate quite a bit.
> But we got it in place.  Mark double checked the torque on the head bolts,
> and we then proceeded to get oil into the transmission and engine.
> Unfortunately we discovered that the fuel pump would not come back to life,
> so we used a "Jack Tank", which was Jack Orkin holding a bottle with fuel
> and squeezing it to deliver fuel to the carb.    Here was what happened:
>
> https://wx.greggowins.com/weewx/videos/index.html
>
> The first time the engine had fired since end of 2000/beginning of 2001!
> Didn't have to do anything to the Weber carb even after it was sitting all
> that time.     We then had a celebratory beer, followed by another group
> dinner at the Hays City Store (try the onion rings).   After dinner we said
> our goodbyes to Jack and Kathy, who were heading back to Georgia the next
> morning.
>
> On Saturday, the plan was to do the work to dial in the engine and get the
> radiator fully working.  Here is where Lord Lucas reared his head.  There
> is some kind of demon that possesses the timing of my engine.  We got the
> pulley mark to TDC, and then pulled the valve cover to confirm that yes,
> the engine was at TDC.  The engine would not fire at all.  We move the
> distributor around, and get it back to a spot where the engine would start
> and run. Get the timing light down there, and the mark was nearly 90
> degrees off of where it should have been.  Rock the mark back to TDC, pull
> the valve cover, checked the valve position, and verified we had the plug
> wires connected as expected.  The engine would only run at the bizarre
> marking.  Not sure if anyone else has experienced anything like this, all
> we could figure is that there was something really strange going on with
> the dog on the distributor.   So from that point we fine tuned the timing
> and got the carbs dialed in.  The engine will fire on the first crank, and
> instantly responds to throttle input.   That evening, we took Mark to his
> first pro rugby match, and the hometown Austin team beat San Diego.
>
> Sunday morning we took Mark to the airport for his flight home, then we
> headed to a pick-a-part to find some stuff for my Dad's Sprite.  He wants
> to put Miata seats in his, as well as the Creative Spridgets rear disc
> brake conversion.  We completely struck out.  None the Miatas had seats,
> and all of the Sentras had rear drums.  I poked around to see if there was
> a SLK with an Eaton Supercharger, but none of those were to be found
> either.
>
> Thanks to Mark and Jack for coming out to help get these projects going,
> after both cars have been sitting so long.   I'm planning to get mine
> reassembled and inspected within the next couple of weeks.   It will be
> ugly, but able to be on the road.   My Dad is planning to spend quite a bit
> of time here in July getting body work done on his, and treating the rust
> that we've found.  We've buttoned his engine back up, and it will be ready
> to reinstall when we get to that point.
>
> It was an eventful 10 days!  Always great to spend time with fellow
> Spridget folks and work on these cars.   There were many mentions of Frank
> during the time we were working on these, and I have one of the stickers to
> put on the glass once the project is finished.
>
> Greg Gowins
> Driftwood, TX
> ------------------------
>
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>
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From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Mon May 30 16:31:59 2022
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 18:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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Did you use the old harmonic balancer on the crank? They can delaminate
from the rubber as it ages and the timing mark shifts position... They will
still work but it makes the timing an issue. They will eventually fail but
do so very slowly.

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:12 AM Greg Gowins via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello fellow Spridgeteers,
>
> We last left off with ordering a bunch of parts last Sunday, based on what
> we discovered over the weekend.  I had to work during the day, so wasn't
> available as much as I liked Monday to Wednesday.
>
> On Monday, my Dad proceeded to finish the removal of the interior on his
> car.  He had a couple of stubborn bolts for the seat rails, both with the
> bolt in the captive nuts, as well as the two through nuts.  He was able to
> grind the heads down and got them out.  While this was going on Mark worked
> on prepping the engines for the installation of the parts we ordered.  Once
> I was done with work I joined in for a couple of hours of work that
> evening.  After much PB Blaster and continuous application of the impact
> wrench and gentle persuasion from a BFH, the crank pulley finally came off
> of my Dad's engine.
>
> Tuesday ended up being more of the same, doing prep work in anticipation
> of the parts arriving.  I painted my gas tank with truck bed liner, and we
> got it installed along with the ancillary bits.  I was missing a couple of
> items, so I borrowed (stole) them from the cache of parts my Dad had
> previously ordered for his Sprite.    That evening, Jack and Kathy Orkin
> arrived from Atlanta, and swung by to see what kind of progress we'd made,
> and what to expect over the next three days.
>
> On Wednesday, we anticipated the arrival of the parts.  I had 7 boxes of
> stuff arriving from three different carriers.   Usually UPS and FedEx
> arrive mid-morning, but today I was at the end of the delivery line.  Most
> of the stuff arrived around 3pm.  Once the parts arrived, there was a
> flurry of activity.  Mark started on getting the Vernier timing gear set
> installed on my engine.  We discovered that the coolant bypass on the
> bottom of the Pierce aluminum head was tapped differently than the bypass
> on the cast iron head.   Got a hold of Pierce, and it was tapped 1/4 NPT,
> so just had to find the right fitting at a home improvement or auto parts
> store.
>
> On Thursday, there was more work getting the parts installed.  Mark and
> Jack worked on my engine, getting the head re-installed, the new serpentine
> pulley put on the crank, the timing gear and sump gaskets in place.   I
> took off work in the early afternoon, and started on the pieces for the VW
> Rabbit radiator conversion.  I got the radiator in the general spot, and
> started to plan out where mounts needed to be fabricated to get it into
> place.   My Dad worked on fabricating the mounts for the tensioners out of
> 1 x 1.5 aluminum bar.   That was slow going with the tool we had, and the
> thickness of the material.  After a long day of work, we ate as a group at
> The Salt Lick BBQ restaurant in Driftwood.
>
> Waking up on Friday, our goal was to get my engine in place and to get it
> to fire by the end of the day.. We got the Datsun 5 speed mated to the rear
> of the engine, then spent quite a bit of time getting the serpentine
> pulleys to align.  The alternator ended up being the difficult child, and
> we spent a couple of hours grinding and filing surfaces, finally getting it
> to line up.  Got the serpentine belt installed, then got the drive train
> back into the car.   After we got the drivetrain back in, I then started
> working on plumbing the new radiator.  My setup was just enough different
> from the examples on Creative Spridgets that I had to deviate quite a bit.
> But we got it in place.  Mark double checked the torque on the head bolts,
> and we then proceeded to get oil into the transmission and engine.
> Unfortunately we discovered that the fuel pump would not come back to life,
> so we used a "Jack Tank", which was Jack Orkin holding a bottle with fuel
> and squeezing it to deliver fuel to the carb.    Here was what happened:
>
> https://wx.greggowins.com/weewx/videos/index.html
>
> The first time the engine had fired since end of 2000/beginning of 2001!
> Didn't have to do anything to the Weber carb even after it was sitting all
> that time.     We then had a celebratory beer, followed by another group
> dinner at the Hays City Store (try the onion rings).   After dinner we said
> our goodbyes to Jack and Kathy, who were heading back to Georgia the next
> morning.
>
> On Saturday, the plan was to do the work to dial in the engine and get the
> radiator fully working.  Here is where Lord Lucas reared his head.  There
> is some kind of demon that possesses the timing of my engine.  We got the
> pulley mark to TDC, and then pulled the valve cover to confirm that yes,
> the engine was at TDC.  The engine would not fire at all.  We move the
> distributor around, and get it back to a spot where the engine would start
> and run. Get the timing light down there, and the mark was nearly 90
> degrees off of where it should have been.  Rock the mark back to TDC, pull
> the valve cover, checked the valve position, and verified we had the plug
> wires connected as expected.  The engine would only run at the bizarre
> marking.  Not sure if anyone else has experienced anything like this, all
> we could figure is that there was something really strange going on with
> the dog on the distributor.   So from that point we fine tuned the timing
> and got the carbs dialed in.  The engine will fire on the first crank, and
> instantly responds to throttle input.   That evening, we took Mark to his
> first pro rugby match, and the hometown Austin team beat San Diego.
>
> Sunday morning we took Mark to the airport for his flight home, then we
> headed to a pick-a-part to find some stuff for my Dad's Sprite.  He wants
> to put Miata seats in his, as well as the Creative Spridgets rear disc
> brake conversion.  We completely struck out.  None the Miatas had seats,
> and all of the Sentras had rear drums.  I poked around to see if there was
> a SLK with an Eaton Supercharger, but none of those were to be found
> either.
>
> Thanks to Mark and Jack for coming out to help get these projects going,
> after both cars have been sitting so long.   I'm planning to get mine
> reassembled and inspected within the next couple of weeks.   It will be
> ugly, but able to be on the road.   My Dad is planning to spend quite a bit
> of time here in July getting body work done on his, and treating the rust
> that we've found.  We've buttoned his engine back up, and it will be ready
> to reinstall when we get to that point.
>
> It was an eventful 10 days!  Always great to spend time with fellow
> Spridget folks and work on these cars.   There were many mentions of Frank
> during the time we were working on these, and I have one of the stickers to
> put on the glass once the project is finished.
>
> Greg Gowins
> Driftwood, TX
> ------------------------
>
> spridgets at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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1983 Garage full of spridget parts!
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 17:57:35 2022
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 18:57:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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This is great stuff! Congrats on the progress! As for the distributor, if it?s a Pertronix, there?s a good chance the dog drive isn?t quite right. I have seen 3 or 4, most recently Billy Zoom, who have had to put an old dog gear in. The dog is not the same geometry and the dizzy won?t quite seat right and will sort of ratchet and pop out. Bizarrely, there will be enough friction to wear it might start but not run. 

Ron Soave

> On May 30, 2022, at 10:12 AM, Greg Gowins via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello fellow Spridgeteers,
> 
> We last left off with ordering a bunch of parts last Sunday, based on what we discovered over the weekend.  I had to work during the day, so wasn't available as much as I liked Monday to Wednesday.  
> 
> On Monday, my Dad proceeded to finish the removal of the interior on his car.  He had a couple of stubborn bolts for the seat rails, both with the bolt in the captive nuts, as well as the two through nuts.  He was able to grind the heads down and got them out.  While this was going on Mark worked on prepping the engines for the installation of the parts we ordered.  Once I was done with work I joined in for a couple of hours of work that evening.  After much PB Blaster and continuous application of the impact wrench and gentle persuasion from a BFH, the crank pulley finally came off of my Dad's engine.  
> 
> Tuesday ended up being more of the same, doing prep work in anticipation of the parts arriving.  I painted my gas tank with truck bed liner, and we got it installed along with the ancillary bits.  I was missing a couple of items, so I borrowed (stole) them from the cache of parts my Dad had previously ordered for his Sprite.    That evening, Jack and Kathy Orkin arrived from Atlanta, and swung by to see what kind of progress we'd made, and what to expect over the next three days.
> 
> On Wednesday, we anticipated the arrival of the parts.  I had 7 boxes of stuff arriving from three different carriers.   Usually UPS and FedEx arrive mid-morning, but today I was at the end of the delivery line.  Most of the stuff arrived around 3pm.  Once the parts arrived, there was a flurry of activity.  Mark started on getting the Vernier timing gear set installed on my engine.  We discovered that the coolant bypass on the bottom of the Pierce aluminum head was tapped differently than the bypass on the cast iron head.   Got a hold of Pierce, and it was tapped 1/4 NPT, so just had to find the right fitting at a home improvement or auto parts store.
> 
> On Thursday, there was more work getting the parts installed.  Mark and Jack worked on my engine, getting the head re-installed, the new serpentine pulley put on the crank, the timing gear and sump gaskets in place.   I took off work in the early afternoon, and started on the pieces for the VW Rabbit radiator conversion.  I got the radiator in the general spot, and started to plan out where mounts needed to be fabricated to get it into place.   My Dad worked on fabricating the mounts for the tensioners out of 1 x 1.5 aluminum bar.   That was slow going with the tool we had, and the thickness of the material.  After a long day of work, we ate as a group at The Salt Lick BBQ restaurant in Driftwood.  
> 
> Waking up on Friday, our goal was to get my engine in place and to get it to fire by the end of the day.. We got the Datsun 5 speed mated to the rear of the engine, then spent quite a bit of time getting the serpentine pulleys to align.  The alternator ended up being the difficult child, and we spent a couple of hours grinding and filing surfaces, finally getting it to line up.  Got the serpentine belt installed, then got the drive train back into the car.   After we got the drivetrain back in, I then started working on plumbing the new radiator.  My setup was just enough different from the examples on Creative Spridgets that I had to deviate quite a bit.  But we got it in place.  Mark double checked the torque on the head bolts, and we then proceeded to get oil into the transmission and engine.  Unfortunately we discovered that the fuel pump would not come back to life, so we used a "Jack Tank", which was Jack Orkin holding a bottle with fuel and squeezing it to deliver fuel to the carb.    Here was what happened:  
> 
> https://wx.greggowins.com/weewx/videos/index.html
> 
> The first time the engine had fired since end of 2000/beginning of 2001!  Didn't have to do anything to the Weber carb even after it was sitting all that time.     We then had a celebratory beer, followed by another group dinner at the Hays City Store (try the onion rings).   After dinner we said our goodbyes to Jack and Kathy, who were heading back to Georgia the next morning.
> 
> On Saturday, the plan was to do the work to dial in the engine and get the radiator fully working.  Here is where Lord Lucas reared his head.  There is some kind of demon that possesses the timing of my engine.  We got the pulley mark to TDC, and then pulled the valve cover to confirm that yes, the engine was at TDC.  The engine would not fire at all.  We move the distributor around, and get it back to a spot where the engine would start and run. Get the timing light down there, and the mark was nearly 90 degrees off of where it should have been.  Rock the mark back to TDC, pull the valve cover, checked the valve position, and verified we had the plug wires connected as expected.  The engine would only run at the bizarre marking.  Not sure if anyone else has experienced anything like this, all we could figure is that there was something really strange going on with the dog on the distributor.   So from that point we fine tuned the timing and got the carbs dialed in.  The engine will fire on the first crank, and instantly responds to throttle input.   That evening, we took Mark to his first pro rugby match, and the hometown Austin team beat San Diego.  
> 
> Sunday morning we took Mark to the airport for his flight home, then we headed to a pick-a-part to find some stuff for my Dad's Sprite.  He wants to put Miata seats in his, as well as the Creative Spridgets rear disc brake conversion.  We completely struck out.  None the Miatas had seats, and all of the Sentras had rear drums.  I poked around to see if there was a SLK with an Eaton Supercharger, but none of those were to be found either.  
> 
> Thanks to Mark and Jack for coming out to help get these projects going, after both cars have been sitting so long.   I'm planning to get mine reassembled and inspected within the next couple of weeks.   It will be ugly, but able to be on the road.   My Dad is planning to spend quite a bit of time here in July getting body work done on his, and treating the rust that we've found.  We've buttoned his engine back up, and it will be ready to reinstall when we get to that point.
> 
> It was an eventful 10 days!  Always great to spend time with fellow Spridget folks and work on these cars.   There were many mentions of Frank during the time we were working on these, and I have one of the stickers to put on the glass once the project is finished.
> 
> Greg Gowins
> Driftwood, TX
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Mon May 30 18:50:51 2022
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 17:50:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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Where do you get a harmonic balancer with delaminating rubber? I got one shipped over from England, and it's solid metal. 

From refisk at chartermi.net  Mon May 30 19:21:03 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 21:21:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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Old factory harmonic balancers delaminate with age.  If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer, it's a pulley.  

> On May 30, 2022, at 8:55 PM, Billy Zoom via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Where do you get a harmonic balancer with delaminating rubber? I got one shipped over from England, and it's solid metal. 
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Mon May 30 19:35:23 2022
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 18:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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"If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer, it's a pulley.?
Agreed, but it?s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it was a harmonic balancer.  It?s not the stamped pulley like the early A-series. I ordered a HB from England, and that?s what I got. I just assumed that?s what they were all like.


From refisk at chartermi.net  Mon May 30 20:39:53 2022
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 22:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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Must be a viscous type with fluid in a chamber.  High tech stuff compared to my Spridgets which have the old fashioned elastomer type damper.  :-) 

> On May 30, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:
> 
> ?"If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer, it's a pulley.?
> Agreed, but it?s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it was a harmonic balancer.  It?s not the stamped pulley like the early A-series. I ordered a HB from England, and that?s what I got. I just assumed that?s what they were all like.
> 


From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue May 31 05:56:06 2022
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 06:56:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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FYI:

https://damperdoctor.com/

Ron Soave

> On May 30, 2022, at 9:43 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Must be a viscous type with fluid in a chamber.  High tech stuff compared to my Spridgets which have the old fashioned elastomer type damper.  :-) 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?"If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer, it's a pulley.?
>> Agreed, but it?s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it was a harmonic balancer.  It?s not the stamped pulley like the early A-series. I ordered a HB from England, and that?s what I got. I just assumed that?s what they were all like.
>> 
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From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Tue May 31 10:13:18 2022
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 12:13:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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I can say with certainty that all of the 1275 models came with a HB,
including the 1967 pre-smog engine. I don't remember if the 1098s used them
or not. The 948 had a solid pulley. My point to Greg was that the old
factory HBs are prone to delaminating with age and use and the timing mark
migrates to a different position thus causing issues such as he encountered.

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:26 PM Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:

> "If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer,
> it's a pulley.?
> Agreed, but it?s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it was a
> harmonic balancer.  It?s not the stamped pulley like the early A-series. I
> ordered a HB from England, and that?s what I got. I just assumed that?s
> what they were all like.
>
>

-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1983 Garage full of spridget parts!
2017 Home built shed full of excess spridget parts!!!
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From emailme at greggowins.com  Tue May 31 11:05:45 2022
From: emailme at greggowins.com (Greg Gowins)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 17:05:45 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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The old pulley was removed, and the new aluminum serpentine belt pulley was
installed on the crank, so pretty sure no HB is in play here.  I've always
had weird timing issues with this car.  My plan is at some point to move to
EFI and direct ignition, and get the distributor completely removed from
the equation.  But we got it dialed in, just with some weirdness.

Greg

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:13 AM CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I can say with certainty that all of the 1275 models came with a HB,
> including the 1967 pre-smog engine. I don't remember if the 1098s used them
> or not. The 948 had a solid pulley. My point to Greg was that the old
> factory HBs are prone to delaminating with age and use and the timing mark
> migrates to a different position thus causing issues such as he encountered.
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:26 PM Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer,
>> it's a pulley.?
>> Agreed, but it?s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it was a
>> harmonic balancer.  It?s not the stamped pulley like the early A-series. I
>> ordered a HB from England, and that?s what I got. I just assumed that?s
>> what they were all like.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Kent
> 1960 Bugeye
> 1983 Garage full of spridget parts!
> 2017 Home built shed full of excess spridget parts!!!
>
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From 220caribou at gmail.com  Tue May 31 12:41:34 2022
From: 220caribou at gmail.com (Mark Haynes)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 12:41:34 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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The pulley is solid Aluminum, cam timing is spot on with the crank, timing
mark on the new pulley was likewise spot on. When I put a pointer on the
5/16" bolt of hte timing cover, I marked the pulley beneath it with the
timing mark on TDC, turned the engine and filed the mark into the pulley.
There shouldn't be any question as to the alignment, but when running the
dynamic timing light (on Cylinder #1), the mark is ~ 45? down (as in
retarded or c'clockwise). When its lined up with the timing mark, it's
OBVIOUSLY NOT correct.
It's now timed by ear and runs well AFAIK.
Yes, it has a pertronix, but I'm not sure how that would affect the spark
timing as it relates to the pulley TDC marks.
Its a puzzle which I'm anxious to know the solution to.

Mark Haynes
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From jpaschke at bak.rr.com  Tue May 31 18:00:23 2022
From: jpaschke at bak.rr.com (Jon Paschke)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 17:00:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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Hi,

As our friend Frank once pointed out, one of the manuals is wrong on how 
to install the distributor drive in the block by 180 degrees and the 
other thing is the dog on the dizzy is held on by a roll pin so if it's 
rebuilt the dog gear could be 180 off also. Just move the plug wires 180 
if you don't want to pull the drive gear out. It is easy to pull it and 
change it to the right position if you want.

Jon


On 5/31/2022 11:41 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets wrote:
> The pulley is solid Aluminum, cam timing is spot on with the crank, 
> timing mark on the new pulley was likewise spot on. When I put a 
> pointer on the 5/16" bolt of hte timing cover, I marked the pulley 
> beneath it with the timing mark on TDC, turned the engine and filed 
> the mark into the pulley. There shouldn't be any question as to the 
> alignment, but when running the dynamic timing light (on Cylinder #1), 
> the mark is ~ 45? down (as in retarded or c'clockwise). When its lined 
> up with the timing mark, it's OBVIOUSLY NOT correct.
> It's now timed by ear and runs well AFAIK.
> Yes, it has a pertronix, but I'm not sure how that would affect the 
> spark timing as it relates to the pulley TDC marks.
> Its a puzzle which I'm anxious to know the solution to.
>
> Mark Haynes
> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
>
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From weslake1330 at gmail.com  Tue May 31 23:40:53 2022
From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 06:40:53 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap
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Does the timing light have the feature (like a Snap-on timing light) to
'move' the timing mark?  For instance I can set my timing light to 10
degrees advance so it will flash exactly on TDC when the ignition is
exactly advanced 10 degrees.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 at 19:43, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> The pulley is solid Aluminum, cam timing is spot on with the crank, timing
> mark on the new pulley was likewise spot on. When I put a pointer on the
> 5/16" bolt of hte timing cover, I marked the pulley beneath it with the
> timing mark on TDC, turned the engine and filed the mark into the pulley.
> There shouldn't be any question as to the alignment, but when running the
> dynamic timing light (on Cylinder #1), the mark is ~ 45? down (as in
> retarded or c'clockwise). When its lined up with the timing mark, it's
> OBVIOUSLY NOT correct.
> It's now timed by ear and runs well AFAIK.
> Yes, it has a pertronix, but I'm not sure how that would affect the spark
> timing as it relates to the pulley TDC marks.
> Its a puzzle which I'm anxious to know the solution to.
>
> Mark Haynes
> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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