From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 13:25:28 2020
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:25:28 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <405733771.750885.1593570865795@mail.yahoo.com>
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I give you $500 for before Rick Fisk has a chance to steal it!

Kent

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I finally fixed the brake lights that refused to work on my Bugeye.  Just
> had my son climb in the trunk and pull a couple of bullet connectors out
> and put them back in again.  I guess 20 years might see a little corrosion
> in Lucas connectors.  I'm sure you can relate.  After fixing that I
> installed a new combination light/ignition switch.  (Chinese junk)  Ready
> to cruise, or so i thought.  Just got finished washing the car to remove
> several moths of just sitting in the garage.  Started it up to take a ride
> and backed down the driveway.  Let the clutch out to go and the engine quit
> and will not start.  Checked for fuel flow and no problem there.  Got
> spark.  I just put a new battery in it yesterday, so the engine spins up
> nicely, but it won't run.  I'm starting to get discouraged.
> Mike MacLean
>
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Wed Jul  1 17:13:13 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 19:13:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
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I already have the original engine and trans.  :-)

When Mike upgraded to a 1275 and ribcase he very generously donated the 948 and smoothcase to my race car effort.  Mike is in southern California and I live in Michigan, but at the time my brother-in-law was the president of a nationwide trucking company.  I put everything on a pallet and got it shipped to Michigan for free!  The 948 got me through driver's school and is currently in my garage undergoing a refresh for duty in my street Bugeye.  The smoothcase lives in a Series 1 Lotus Seven.

Rick



Sent from my keyboard

>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 3:26 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> I give you $500 for before Rick Fisk has a chance to steal it!
> 
> Kent
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I finally fixed the brake lights that refused to work on my Bugeye.  Just had my son climb in the trunk and pull a couple of bullet connectors out and put them back in again.  I guess 20 years might see a little corrosion in Lucas connectors.  I'm sure you can relate.  After fixing that I installed a new combination light/ignition switch.  (Chinese junk)  Ready to cruise, or so i thought.  Just got finished washing the car to remove several moths of just sitting in the garage.  Started it up to take a ride and backed down the driveway.  Let the clutch out to go and the engine quit and will not start.  Checked for fuel flow and no problem there.  Got spark.  I just put a new battery in it yesterday, so the engine spins up nicely, but it won't run.  I'm starting to get discouraged.
>> Mike MacLean
>> 
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> 2017 Home built shed full of excess spridget parts!!!
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Wed Jul  1 19:08:47 2020
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:08:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
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That's a very green transmission.

On 7/1/2020 4:13 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets wrote:
> I already have the original engine and trans. ?:-)
>
> When Mike upgraded to a 1275 and ribcase he very generously donated 
> the 948 and smoothcase to my race car effort. ?Mike is in southern 
> California and I live in Michigan, but at the time my brother-in-law 
> was the president of a nationwide trucking company. ?I put everything 
> on a pallet and got it shipped to Michigan for free! ?The 948 got me 
> through driver's school and is currently in my garage undergoing a 
> refresh for duty in my street Bugeye. ?The smoothcase lives in a 
> Series 1 Lotus Seven.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> Sent from my keyboard
>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 3:26 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets 
>> <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I give you $500 for before Rick Fisk has a chance to steal it!
>>
>> Kent
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets 
>> <spridgets at autox.team.net <mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     I finally fixed the brake lights that refused to work on my
>>     Bugeye.? Just had my son climb in the trunk and pull a couple of
>>     bullet connectors out and put them back in again.? I guess 20
>>     years might see a little corrosion in Lucas connectors.? I'm sure
>>     you can relate.? After fixing that I installed a new combination
>>     light/ignition switch.? (Chinese junk)? Ready to cruise, or so i
>>     thought.? Just got finished washing the car to remove several
>>     moths of just sitting in the garage.? Started it up to take a
>>     ride and backed down the driveway. Let the clutch out to go and
>>     the engine quit and will not start.? Checked for fuel flow and no
>>     problem there.? Got spark.? I just put a new battery in it
>>     yesterday, so the engine spins up nicely, but it won't run.? I'm
>>     starting to get discouraged.
>>     Mike MacLean
>>
>>     Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
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>> 1983 Garage full of spridget parts!
>> 2017 Home built shed full of excess spridget parts!!!
>>
>>
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Wed Jul  1 19:21:01 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 21:21:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <6e714c17-e38f-41ec-b9fc-99e19e6f44e7@cox.net>
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Just the way they came from the factory.  ?

Sent from my keyboard

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:12 PM, David Ambrose via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That's a very green transmission.
> 
> On 7/1/2020 4:13 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets wrote:
>> I already have the original engine and trans.  :-)
>> 
>> When Mike upgraded to a 1275 and ribcase he very generously donated the 948 and smoothcase to my race car effort.  Mike is in southern California and I live in Michigan, but at the time my brother-in-law was the president of a nationwide trucking company.  I put everything on a pallet and got it shipped to Michigan for free!  The 948 got me through driver's school and is currently in my garage undergoing a refresh for duty in my street Bugeye.  The smoothcase lives in a Series 1 Lotus Seven.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> <image2.jpeg>
>> 
>> Sent from my keyboard
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 3:26 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I give you $500 for before Rick Fisk has a chance to steal it!
>>> 
>>> Kent
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> I finally fixed the brake lights that refused to work on my Bugeye.  Just had my son climb in the trunk and pull a couple of bullet connectors out and put them back in again.  I guess 20 years might see a little corrosion in Lucas connectors.  I'm sure you can relate.  After fixing that I installed a new combination light/ignition switch.  (Chinese junk)  Ready to cruise, or so i thought.  Just got finished washing the car to remove several moths of just sitting in the garage.  Started it up to take a ride and backed down the driveway.  Let the clutch out to go and the engine quit and will not start.  Checked for fuel flow and no problem there.  Got spark.  I just put a new battery in it yesterday, so the engine spins up nicely, but it won't run.  I'm starting to get discouraged.
>>>> Mike MacLean
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>> 1960 Bugeye
>>> 1983 Garage full of spridget parts!
>>> 2017 Home built shed full of excess spridget parts!!!
>>>  
>>> 
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From Zormecteon at comcast.net  Wed Jul  1 22:01:36 2020
From: Zormecteon at comcast.net (Bill L.)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 21:01:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <405733771.750885.1593570865795@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1304665148.20200701210136@comcast.net>

Hello Michael,


       Remember.. just because it's new doesn't mean it's good.... I
       suspect that ignition switch... The fact that you still have
       spark means I'm probably wrong,but  I might try to jumper around
       that switch.

       Just and idle thought..



-- 
Best regards,
 Bill                            mailto:Zormecteon at comcast.net


From refisk at chartermi.net  Thu Jul  2 05:48:37 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 07:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
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Message-ID: <7C5C3F6A-351F-44C9-8B0D-642F76200B9C@chartermi.net>

Have you guys never seen an original engine and transmission?  They came from the factory painted green.  Transmission too!   :-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 4:02 AM, GUY DAY <grday at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Who bought a job lot of green paint at the auction then?
> 
> Guy R Day


From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Thu Jul  2 09:05:18 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 11:05:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] It's not easy being green?
References: <a702mrgnqkv5s0d6v8bqji97.1593701184954.ref@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <a702mrgnqkv5s0d6v8bqji97.1593701184954@email.lge.com>

Kermit the frog was all green too!They painted engines & transmissions together.?? ?? Even the generators got sprayed green.?? ??Funny i was just given a tach drive generator ( with a NOS tach drive ) and... the generator is ....green.?? ??Also I finally got a Lucas generator pulley and fan that is black on the back side but green on the front sides.I stick with the old racing superstition of refusing to drive anything green except for a British car painted BRG.?? ????LOL!?? ??We do not own any green cars????ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Wed Jul  1 17:28:31 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:28:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
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That was a very strong running 948.? Spent a lot building it.? The smoothcase transmission actually went back to the UK for a rebuild.? I was told a lot of the innards are Morris Minor?Mike MacLean

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From thcollin at mtu.edu  Sat Jul  4 06:39:16 2020
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 08:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
Message-ID: <CADDgmYmttTknaVJZtoVas5bk+Ej8YJdWrz1CqtJKSHXRjA3YvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,
Vapor Lock
I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by
the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through
subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine
off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little
trouble restarting the car, but it did start.

On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery
(with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was
light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a
strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped
there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected
vapor lock.)

The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I
attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics
because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump
wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump.

The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was
hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the
last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I
went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a
flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At
home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly
thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared
out and it started.

Troubleshooting
The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend)
Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill
up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the
cause of the problem.

I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or
in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line
connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel
pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from
the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.

The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm
wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel
spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?

I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a
gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had
any success doing this?

Your thoughts??

ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line.
Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science
behind doing that.
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From frogeye at cox.net  Sat Jul  4 07:46:50 2020
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 09:46:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd:  My car didn't start either - different reason.
References: <1E015932-B48C-4D1E-B889-4FD0769BCFBA@cox.net>
Message-ID: <340BAA0C-A2E2-48C0-B213-29E185C53064@cox.net>



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Alan <frogeye at cox.net>
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
> To: Tim Collins <thcollin at mtu.edu>
> Subject: Re:  [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
> 
> ?I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.
> Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.
> That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or if gas moves to the floats
> That might help troubleshoot
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Hi guys,
>> Vapor Lock
>> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. 
>> 
>> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)
>> 
>> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump. 
>> 
>> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. 
>> 
>> Troubleshooting
>> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.
>> 
>> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
>> 
>> The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?
>> 
>> I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?
>> 
>> Your thoughts??
>> 
>> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing that.
>> 
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Sat Jul  4 09:58:30 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 11:58:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clothes pin on the fuel line
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This provides an artificial "cooling fin" on the line to radiate heat.? ?Old...old...old school.ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 10:09:56 2020
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 11:09:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Clothes pin on the fuel line
In-Reply-To: <qmvrrpe6e3sdc60ito6j9pqf.1593878072611@email.lge.com>
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 11:00 crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> This provides an artificial "cooling fin" on the line to radiate heat.
> Old...old...old school.
> Chuck
>

Unfortunately, the problem tends to be that there is already too much heat
transfer happening and it is going in the opposite direction; the cool fuel
is being heated by the hot air in the engine compartment, so the clothespin
would just make it worse.

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From refisk at chartermi.net  Sat Jul  4 11:00:27 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 13:00:27 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clothes pin on the fuel line
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I don't think Tim's issue is vapor lock.

Sent from my keyboard

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 12:10 PM, David Lieb via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 11:00 crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> This provides an artificial "cooling fin" on the line to radiate heat.   
>>> Old...old...old school.
>>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the problem tends to be that there is already too much heat transfer happening and it is going in the opposite direction; the cool fuel is being heated by the hot air in the engine compartment, so the clothespin would just make it worse.
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Sat Jul  4 11:15:12 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:15:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
References: <g6rfb0mpb67ug78hq5ikopfr.1593881814607.ref@email.lge.com>
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Alleged vapor lock?Try the pump overheated?? Why venture this guess?? ?My old tow vehicle was 79 Chevy van the "L.B.1" ( Lust Bus 1). For what ever reason the mechanical fuel pump failed a number of times at the most inconvenient time!? ?To fix this I installed an AC Marine type tick-tick pump inline.? ?What I experienced with this set up was while towing the race trailer in the Florida keys the electric pump overheated!? ?The electromagnetic coil got so hot , it did not properly do it's tick-tick with the gusto the designers intended.? ?The pump was getting hot.? No not excessive resistance , ambient temperature combined with the pumps "working " temperature. Replacing the pump with a new one proved that.? ?What I am suspecting is your pump got hot and decided electrically to stop pumping.? In a vapor lock state an electric pump should stay pumping against a vapor lock yielding the pump sounding like the pump after it starts up and then builds pressure and the pump starts running against the built up pressure.? Even my tick-tick pump ran.ChuckJust a thought on what or why?Sent from my LG Mobile------ Original message------From: Tim Collins via SpridgetsDate: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 8:40 AMTo: Spridgets;Cc: Subject:[Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.Hi guys,Vapor LockI was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump. The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. TroubleshootingThe fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?Your thoughts??ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing that.
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From miniac7 at aol.com  Sat Jul  4 11:15:41 2020
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 17:15:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: My car didn't start either - different reason.
In-Reply-To: <340BAA0C-A2E2-48C0-B213-29E185C53064@cox.net>
References: <1E015932-B48C-4D1E-B889-4FD0769BCFBA@cox.net>
 <340BAA0C-A2E2-48C0-B213-29E185C53064@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1048514931.888642.1593882941381@mail.yahoo.com>

I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "winter blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.

I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC's since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I am hearing about this.
Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?
Howard




In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:



Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


From: Alan <frogeye at cox.net>
Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
To: Tim Collins <thcollin at mtu.edu>
Subject: Re:? [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.



I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or if gas moves to the floatsThat might help troubleshootAlan

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:



Hi guys,Vapor Lock
I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. 

On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)

The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump. 

The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. 

Troubleshooting
The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.

I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.

The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?

I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?

Your thoughts??
ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing that.






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From Zormecteon at comcast.net  Sat Jul  4 11:43:37 2020
From: Zormecteon at comcast.net (Bill L.)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 10:43:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: My car didn't start either - different reason.
In-Reply-To: <1048514931.888642.1593882941381@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1E015932-B48C-4D1E-B889-4FD0769BCFBA@cox.net> 
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 <1048514931.888642.1593882941381@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hello miniac7---,


      because of the cold of winter, they blend the fuels so that they
      have a higher "volitility" .. that is they go to vapor at a
      lower temperature... In the summer they don't want the fuel to
      just evaporate so it is less "aromatic"....

      There are more complicated and involved explanations, but that's
      the basic idea.



-- 
Best regards,
 Bill                            mailto:Zormecteon at comcast.net


From miniac7 at aol.com  Sat Jul  4 11:48:22 2020
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 17:48:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: My car didn't start either - different reason.
In-Reply-To: <401402884.20200704104337@comcast.net>
References: <1E015932-B48C-4D1E-B889-4FD0769BCFBA@cox.net>
 <340BAA0C-A2E2-48C0-B213-29E185C53064@cox.net>
 <1048514931.888642.1593882941381@mail.yahoo.com>
 <401402884.20200704104337@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1475307961.901463.1593884902367@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm glad to know I'm not too old to learn stuff ... thanks David and Bill.
In a message dated 7/4/2020 1:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Zormecteon at comcast.net writes:

Hello miniac7---,


? ? ? because of the cold of winter, they blend the fuels so that they
? ? ? have a higher "volitility" .. that is they go to vapor at a
? ? ? lower temperature... In the summer they don't want the fuel to
? ? ? just evaporate so it is less "aromatic"....

? ? ? There are more complicated and involved explanations, but that's
? ? ? the basic idea.



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From refisk at chartermi.net  Sat Jul  4 11:36:04 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 13:36:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: My car didn't start either - different reason.
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Howard,

Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the different seasons.  Additives are used to make for easier starting when the temp may be below zero for days on end.  And then in the summer when we have crap Florida style weather they change the gas again.  Been that way since they started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago.  :-)

Rick

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "winter blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.
> 
> I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC's since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I am hearing about this.
> 
> Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Alan <frogeye at cox.net>
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
> To: Tim Collins <thcollin at mtu.edu>
> Subject: Re:  [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
> 
> I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.
> Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.
> That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or if gas moves to the floats
> That might help troubleshoot
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> Vapor Lock
> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. 
> 
> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)
> 
> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump. 
> 
> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. 
> 
> Troubleshooting
> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.
> 
> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
> 
> The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?
> 
> I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?
> 
> Your thoughts??
> 
> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Sat Jul  4 11:36:54 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 13:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
In-Reply-To: <g6rfb0mpb67ug78hq5ikopfr.1593881814607@email.lge.com>
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I agree Chuck, I think it?s a flakey pump problem.

Rick

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:15 PM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Alleged vapor lock?
> Try the pump overheated?  Why venture this guess?   My old tow vehicle was 79 Chevy van the "L.B.1" ( Lust Bus 1). For what ever reason the mechanical fuel pump failed a number of times at the most inconvenient time!   To fix this I installed an AC Marine type tick-tick pump inline.   What I experienced with this set up was while towing the race trailer in the Florida keys the electric pump overheated!   The electromagnetic coil got so hot , it did not properly do it's tick-tick with the gusto the designers intended.   The pump was getting hot.  No not excessive resistance , ambient temperature combined with the pumps "working " temperature. Replacing the pump with a new one proved that.   
> What I am suspecting is your pump got hot and decided electrically to stop pumping.  In a vapor lock state an e lectric pump should stay pumping against a vapor lock yielding the pump sounding like the pump after it starts up and then builds pressure and the pump starts running against the built up pressure.  Even my tick-tick pump ran.
> Chuck
> Just a thought on what or why?
> 
> 
> Sent from my LG Mobile
> 
> ------ Original message------
> From: Tim Collins via Spridgets
> Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 8:40 AM
> To: Spridgets;
> Cc:
> Subject:[Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
> 
> Hi guys,
> Vapor Lock
> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. 
> 
> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)
> 
> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics beca use of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump. 
> 
> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. 
> 
> Troubleshooting
> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.
> 
> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fue l bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
> 
> The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?
> 
> I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?
> 
> Your thoughts??
> 
> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing t hat.
> 
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From miniac7 at aol.com  Sat Jul  4 12:06:50 2020
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 18:06:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: My car didn't start either - different reason.
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I'm wondering if here in the mid-Atlantic area (Virginia Beach), where the winters are relatively mild and the summers never reach the 100's, if we have a consistent blend of fuels all year round.
H.

In a message dated 7/4/2020 2:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, refisk at chartermi.net writes:

Howard,
Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the different seasons. ?Additives are used to make for easier starting when the temp may be below zero for days on end. ?And then in the summer when we have crap Florida style weather they change the gas again. ?Been that way since they started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. ?:-)
Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:



I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "winter blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.

I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC's since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I am hearing about this.
Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?
Howard




In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:



Sent from my iPad
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From: Alan <frogeye at cox.net>
Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
To: Tim Collins <thcollin at mtu.edu>
Subject: Re:? [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.



I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or if gas moves to the floatsThat might help troubleshootAlan

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:



Hi guys,Vapor Lock
I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. 

On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)

The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump. 

The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. 

Troubleshooting
The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.

I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.

The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?

I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?

Your thoughts??
ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing that.






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From miniac7 at aol.com  Sun Jul  5 09:49:59 2020
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 15:49:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
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I'd like to pick up on what Chuck stated here:
..."In a vapor lock state an electric pump should stay pumping against a vapor lock yielding the pump sounding like the pump after it starts up and then builds pressure and the pump starts running against the built up pressure'...
Although I have never experienced this on my Mini, I have on the Moke and the Bugeye, I have noticed it when crawling along in stop & go traffic or similar type conditions. The cars continue to run fine but, it sounds as if I am running out of fuel, and it always causes me to immediately check the fuel gauge.
?All of my cars run an electronic pump in the original factory locations. I have one fuel filter between the tank and the pump and another one up front before the carbs.
 So, the question: if this is truly vapor lock, what do we do to eliminate it?
Howard
So what we we experiencing here is the pump pump pushing against a vapor lock situation? 
In a message dated 7/4/2020 1:15:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:

In a vapor lock state an e lectric pump should stay pumping against a vapor lock yielding the pump sounding like the pump after it starts up and then builds pressure and the pump starts running against the built up pressure.? Even my tick-tick pump ran.
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From thcollin at mtu.edu  Sun Jul  5 10:26:25 2020
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:26:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
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This week will be another with temps in the mid 90's or above. I plan to
drive the Sprite around (and around and around) the subdivision until it is
nice and toasty warm. Then I'll stop at home, wait 10 minutes, and then try
to restart the car. My expectation is that it won't start.

Then I'll start putting cool rags on the fuel filter, carbs, and pump to
see if I can bring the car back to life by cooling these components. I'm
thinking I won't be able to isolate a single offending component - exactly
where the fuel is turning to vapor, but that would be a nice find. If
for some reason the car quits mid route, the walk home will be short and
I'll save a $70 tow. The pump is new. I probably haven't run 5 tanks of
fuel through it.
Stay tuned. . . .
Tim

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:39 AM Tim Collins <thcollin at mtu.edu> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> Vapor Lock
> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by
> the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through
> subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine
> off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little
> trouble restarting the car, but it did start.
>
> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery
> (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was
> light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a
> strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped
> there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected
> vapor lock.)
>
> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I
> attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics
> because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump
> wouldn't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump.
>
> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was
> hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the
> last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I
> went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a
> flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At
> home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly
> thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared
> out and it started.
>
> Troubleshooting
> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend)
> Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill
> up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the
> cause of the problem.
>
> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or
> in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line
> connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel
> pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from
> the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
>
> The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm
> wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel
> spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?
>
> I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a
> gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had
> any success doing this?
>
> Your thoughts??
>
> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line.
> Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science
> behind doing that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Sun Jul  5 11:50:34 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 13:50:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Vaporus lockus , pumpus lackus?
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An ancient problem.While the pump is new that does not mean it may be removed from the list of suspects.? I have 3 or 4 of the little cube looking fuel pumps.? All but 1 were aquired because I was told it runs but does not pump fuel " some times"!? ?And indeed that 1 pump has something wrong with it.? ? ?And based upon the external conditions I am led to believe they are near new.? Not corroded , rusty or any discoloration.? The other pumps are in my cars working flawlessly.? All that said , do not ignore the possibility of the pump , a bad ground or a intermittent conductivity problem in power to the pump as the culprit.In grounding I have gone to using a star washer between a ground wire terminal and the car body or frame to insure a positive metal to metal ground instead of relying upon the grounding bolt or screw threads.? ? Also I have tried to not use crimp on connectors , instead , soldering them and heat shrink tubing to shield the bare part of the soldered terminal.? ?While some of this borders on annoying tedium , it circumvents some real head scratching diagnostics down the road.ChuckAfter owning the same bugeye since 1974 , I have made a LOT of mistakes that have taught me over & over to just do it right...Sent from my LG Mobile
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Sun Jul  5 16:53:10 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 22:53:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Won't Start
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A week ago I said that I backed my Bugeye out of the driveway and it died letting out the clutch to take off and would not start after that.? The car sat for several months due to repairs and a suspension and brake? rebuild.? Ethanol in the gas is not your friend.? I had spark and the fuel pump was pumping gas to my single HIF44 carb, but the engine acted fuel starved.? Last night with my son in the driver's seat turning the ignition key for me, I threw some gas down the throat of the carb.? The car started immediately and then died when it ran out of fuel.? I took the carb off to disassemble it.? The viton tipped needle and seat shut off stuck in the seat bore with dried residue from ethanol.? If I had only come out once a week or so and just started the car there would have been no problem.? Now with the brake lights, turn signals and starting problems resolved I'm ready to cruise.? Only problem is the weather.? Almost 100 degrees out here in San Bernardino.? Will have to wait until the sun goes down.? If it's not one thing it's another, but I will be out there once a week even if I don't drive it just to get gas moving through the fuel system.Mike MacLean

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From ricksnover at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  6 07:44:56 2020
From: ricksnover at earthlink.net (Rick Snover)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 06:44:56 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
Message-ID: <5F032AD8.3080507@earthlink.net>

I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob 
Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass 
it along.

RIP, Bob.

Rick

From healeyrik at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 08:25:22 2020
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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How terrible.  I just bought Terry Horler's Sprite book from him in
February  Getting so I don't want to open up the laptop with all the bad
news lately.  Bob was a real asset to the list, always sharing his vice.
RIP

Rick Neville

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> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass
> it along.
>
> RIP, Bob.
>
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From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Mon Jul  6 08:45:15 2020
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (JMFangio)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 09:45:15 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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Well shit.

RIP Bob.

Lester



> On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:25 AM, HealeyRick via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> How terrible.  I just bought Terry Horler's Sprite book from him in February  Getting so I don't want to open up the laptop with all the bad news lately.  Bob was a real asset to the list, always sharing his vice.  RIP
> 
> Rick Neville
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:45 AM Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net <mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob 
> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass 
> it along.
> 
> RIP, Bob.
> 
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From Gmari2 at verizon.net  Mon Jul  6 09:06:17 2020
From: Gmari2 at verizon.net (George Marinos)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:06:17 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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RIP Bob. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass it along.
> 
> RIP, Bob.
> 
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Mon Jul  6 09:30:39 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 11:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob
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*sigh*Another loss!?? How sad....Rest in peace old friend.ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Mon Jul  6 09:40:52 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:40:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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 I went to Arizona in July of last year to visit Bob and buy a nice Datsun transmission for my Bugeye from him.? My son and dog were in tow.? Bob and Delores graciously put us up in their very nice house for the few days we were there.? Bob took my son and I out to several places to eat and never let me pay for the meal.? That's the kind of Bob I remember.? When I met him he lived in Solana Beach with his wife Annice.? Bob was always willing to help with any Healey problems you had.? While I was in Arizona visiting, Bob told me he needed regular blood transfusions, but he did not want them.? He said he could not live like that and refused to go.? He dealt with it on his own terms.? I have great respect for him for that fact.? I will miss him dearly first as a friend and second as a fellow Healey lover.Mike MacLean

    On Monday, July 6, 2020, 6:45:01 AM PDT, Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob 
Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass 
it along.

RIP, Bob.

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From weslake1330 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 09:52:10 2020
From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:52:10 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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I'm very sad to hear that.  I remember meeting Bob at Sprite Rush 98.  I
think he had a brown bugeye.

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> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass
> it along.
>
> RIP, Bob.
>
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From pnase at me.com  Mon Jul  6 10:05:16 2020
From: pnase at me.com (Philip Nase)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:05:16 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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Sorry to hear of this. My condolences to the family. 

Phil Nase
Applebachsville, PA

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass it along.
> 
> RIP, Bob.
> 
> Rick
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Mon Jul  6 10:12:12 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:12:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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 Bob's Bugeye was Nevada Beige, it's original color.? The Bugeye was originally his wife's car.? They bought it new.? When Bob met his wife Annice, he had a Healey 100.? It turned out to be too much car for her, so Bob bought two Bugeye's.? One for her and one for him.? Bob had to sell his when he went in the service, but they never sold his wife's car.? Another interesting fact I always pestered him on.? The grill was bent inward, possibly by the dealer to make it look different than other Bugeye's of the day.? Bob refused to bend it back out as it should be.? He said he got it that way, it was going to stay that way.Mike MacLean

    On Monday, July 6, 2020, 8:52:27 AM PDT, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I'm very sad to hear that.? I remember meeting Bob at Sprite Rush 98.? I think he had a brown bugeye.
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 14:45, Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob 
Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass 
it along.

RIP, Bob.

Rick
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From emailme at greggowins.com  Mon Jul  6 10:13:08 2020
From: emailme at greggowins.com (Greg Gowins)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:13:08 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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RIP Bob

Glad I was able to meet him last year at the first weekend of the Wild West
OSHIT.  He was truly a wealth of automotive knowledge and an all-around
great person.

Greg

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:44 AM Rick Snover via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass
> it along.
>
> RIP, Bob.
>
> Rick
> ------------------------
>
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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 11:26:33 2020
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:26:33 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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OK, I know I typed "advice" and not vice.

Rick

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 10:25 AM HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:

> How terrible.  I just bought Terry Horler's Sprite book from him in
> February  Getting so I don't want to open up the laptop with all the bad
> news lately.  Bob was a real asset to the list, always sharing his vice.
> RIP
>
> Rick Neville
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:45 AM Rick Snover via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
>> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
>> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass
>> it along.
>>
>> RIP, Bob.
>>
>> Rick
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From dwoerpel at wi.net  Mon Jul  6 12:00:06 2020
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:00:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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Thanks for posting Rick.? Damn another great guy gone to fettle with our 
cars that have also gone their way.? I, for one, would like further 
details if you know any you can contact me off list.

We first met Bob in Green Bay WI where my son was at UWGB and he was 
camping, of course, and had his prized Nevada Beige Sprite with the 
dished grill he swore was original.? It became a running joke like the 
rear bumpers on the Bugeye..."Aren't they upside down?"? They stayed at 
our house a couple of times and I had the joy of getting to know this 
knowledgeable, unselfish, "give you the shirt off his back" man.? The 
last time I got to work with Bob was at Jim Johnson's Wild West OSHIT 
gathering where he spent hours meticulously sizing and polishing a rear 
oil seal kit that Mark Haynes was installing on Jim's engine.? 
Afterwards a great time was had having a brew and pizza while waiting 
out a tornado, see picture (Bob's at the far end in a maroon shirt.)? 
Terri and I send our sympathies to the family and the AHCSD. There is a 
void in our collective.? All those knowledgeable folks need to record 
their knowledge so it is not lost.? I raise a glass of California Red to 
Bob.

Be safe, stay well, stay alive!

Dave W.

'59 :{)
'59 MGA 1500
Burlington WI

"Pay It Forward"



On 7/6/2020 8:44 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets wrote:
> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob 
> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd 
> pass it along.
>
> RIP, Bob.
>
> Rick
> ------------------------
>
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>
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From dwoerpel at wi.net  Mon Jul  6 12:21:03 2020
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:21:03 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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Shoot he'd share that too!? :-)


On 7/6/2020 12:26 PM, HealeyRick via Spridgets wrote:
> OK, I know I typed "advice" and not vice.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 10:25 AM HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com 
> <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     How terrible.? I just bought Terry Horler's?Sprite book from him
>     in February? Getting so I don't want to open up the laptop with
>     all the bad news lately.? Bob was a real asset to the list, always
>     sharing his vice.? RIP
>
>     Rick Neville
>
>     On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:45 AM Rick Snover via Spridgets
>     <spridgets at autox.team.net <mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
>         I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
>         Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
>         I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I
>         thought I'd pass
>         it along.
>
>         RIP, Bob.
>
>         Rick
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From lmacy at mac.com  Mon Jul  6 13:15:05 2020
From: lmacy at mac.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:15:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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That is sad. Bob was always a great contributor to the lists. He stopped by to visit us in PA on one of his cross country trips. Sometime around summer 2003.

He input will be missed.

Larry

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass it along.
> 
> RIP, Bob.
> 
> Rick
> ------------------------
> 
> spridgets at autox.team.net
> 
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  6 14:26:54 2020
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:26:54 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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That is - one of the originals along with Annice. He was a great guy and tremendous resource. Godspeed, Bob. 

Ron Soave

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Larry Macy via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?That is sad. Bob was always a great contributor to the lists. He stopped by to visit us in PA on one of his cross country trips. Sometime around summer 2003.
> 
> He input will be missed.
> 
> Larry
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
>> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass it along.
>> 
>> RIP, Bob.
>> 
>> Rick
>> ------------------------
>> 
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From jorkin at emory.edu  Mon Jul  6 15:30:27 2020
From: jorkin at emory.edu (Orkin, Jack L)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 21:30:27 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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References: <5F032AD8.3080507@earthlink.net>,
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Sorry to hear about Bob.  I was also fortunate to have met Bob at the Wild West OSHIT last summer.  A very nice and knowledgeable gentleman.  Here is a picture of him "machining" the rear seal as Dave mentioned.  The other guys are putting in the dash after Bob helped straighten out the wiring.

Jack

________________________________
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Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 2:00 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [External] Re: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer

Thanks for posting Rick.  Damn another great guy gone to fettle with our
cars that have also gone their way.  I, for one, would like further
details if you know any you can contact me off list.

We first met Bob in Green Bay WI where my son was at UWGB and he was
camping, of course, and had his prized Nevada Beige Sprite with the
dished grill he swore was original.  It became a running joke like the
rear bumpers on the Bugeye..."Aren't they upside down?"  They stayed at
our house a couple of times and I had the joy of getting to know this
knowledgeable, unselfish, "give you the shirt off his back" man.  The
last time I got to work with Bob was at Jim Johnson's Wild West OSHIT
gathering where he spent hours meticulously sizing and polishing a rear
oil seal kit that Mark Haynes was installing on Jim's engine.
Afterwards a great time was had having a brew and pizza while waiting
out a tornado, see picture (Bob's at the far end in a maroon shirt.)
Terri and I send our sympathies to the family and the AHCSD. There is a
void in our collective.  All those knowledgeable folks need to record
their knowledge so it is not lost.  I raise a glass of California Red to
Bob.

Be safe, stay well, stay alive!

Dave W.

'59 :{)
'59 MGA 1500
Burlington WI

"Pay It Forward"



On 7/6/2020 8:44 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets wrote:
> I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd
> pass it along.
>
> RIP, Bob.
>
> Rick
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>
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From frogeye at cox.net  Mon Jul  6 18:00:40 2020
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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Bob was the perfect example of a Sprite enthusiast.
He always shared a wealth of knowledge .
We met at the 50th Sprite gathering in Hershey and spent time together.
RIP Bob. 
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass it along.
> 
> RIP, Bob.
> 
> Rick
> ------------------------
> 
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 18:18:30 2020
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (bmwwxman .)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 19:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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References: <5F032AD8.3080507@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <CAJgjnuqgFYdApXtL9=ETU+GrwiFDxiO77c8EXaWc=9aM-TexKA@mail.gmail.com>

For those who don't know, Bob also hauled the Holy Sprite on the first leg
across the country from California to west Colorado where Mark Haynes took
over.

I'm honored that he and Dolores came to Dodge City in 2018 to help with my
Midget.

Rest in Peace, Sir.  You will be missed.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 7:04 PM Alan via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Bob was the perfect example of a Sprite enthusiast.
> He always shared a wealth of knowledge .
> We met at the 50th Sprite gathering in Hershey and spent time together.
> RIP Bob.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 6, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
> > I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd pass
> it along.
> >
> > RIP, Bob.
> >
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From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 21:18:49 2020
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 23:18:49 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bob Kitterer
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I met Bob at Jim's Oshit in Dodge City in 2018.

He was one of the most gracious and helpful people I have ever met!

Please pass my condolences along to Dolores.

Kevin V.
Tuscarora, Pa



On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:18 PM bmwwxman . via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> For those who don't know, Bob also hauled the Holy Sprite on the first leg
> across the country from California to west Colorado where Mark Haynes took
> over.
>
> I'm honored that he and Dolores came to Dodge City in 2018 to help with my
> Midget.
>
> Rest in Peace, Sir.  You will be missed.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 7:04 PM Alan via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob was the perfect example of a Sprite enthusiast.
>> He always shared a wealth of knowledge .
>> We met at the 50th Sprite gathering in Hershey and spent time together.
>> RIP Bob.
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jul 6, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Rick Snover via Spridgets <
>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?I just learned from the Austin Healey Club of San Diego that Bob
>> Kitterer passed away on July 2nd.
>> > I know he was a frequent contributor to this list, so I thought I'd
>> pass it along.
>> >
>> > RIP, Bob.
>> >
>> > Rick
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From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 21:20:22 2020
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 23:20:22 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Off List for awhile
Message-ID: <CAC3x7jNZ1VN_Z_0VAnwygvCmF6Bnum0nBv19OitZagvyYnU4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

I'll be off the list for a while.  No problems here, just gonna be busy.

If anyone needs anything from me, contact me via;

kevinv1275 at gmail.com

Drive 'em if ya got 'em ;)

Kevin V.
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From emailme at greggowins.com  Wed Jul  8 09:42:12 2020
From: emailme at greggowins.com (Greg Gowins)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:42:12 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Jack Stand recall
In-Reply-To: <CAJX-WcXtTOZfwSnTdJkGtMrJtpcGqLY-vur6_ZnHUih8EAQOXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJX-WcXtTOZfwSnTdJkGtMrJtpcGqLY-vur6_ZnHUih8EAQOXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010001732f1771f0-f2bcc87b-407a-458d-96ee-6c3b5c134b2e-000000@email.amazonses.com>

Harbor Freight has a recall on the jack stands that were replaced in the
original recall.  They are offering refunds on other jack stands not part
of the recall.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a33235534/harbor-freight-replacement-jack-stands-recalled/


Greg Gowins
Driftwood, TX

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:06 AM Greg Gowins <emailme at greggowins.com> wrote:

> A head's up in case anyone has a set of these.
>
>
> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a32600586/harbor-freight-jack-stands-recalled-for-risk-of-collapsing/
>
>
> Greg Gowins
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From thcollin at mtu.edu  Thu Jul  9 06:35:31 2020
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - Follow up
Message-ID: <CADDgmYkgyy=8yNiq1E6p1XsZDakC0GbpmQ9wZP92s0SYPzEROw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I took my Sprite for a 30 minute ride around the subdivision at 25 mph on a
nice 90 degree day. I stopped at home and let the car sit for 10 minutes to
"heat soak." Then I tried to start it and it started right up, no problem.
I let it sit a half hour (more heat soak) and it started right up. Same
gasoline. Evidently this problem has something to do with the distance I am
from home.

Tim
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Thu Jul  9 06:40:27 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:40:27 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - Follow up
In-Reply-To: <CADDgmYkgyy=8yNiq1E6p1XsZDakC0GbpmQ9wZP92s0SYPzEROw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADDgmYkgyy=8yNiq1E6p1XsZDakC0GbpmQ9wZP92s0SYPzEROw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB28EF86-C621-49E0-8036-8C642530E40D@chartermi.net>

Or the fuel pump issue didn't reoccur.    :-)

Drove US10 to Manistee and back last week.  The Sanford ditch looks great.  Lakefront property!  Wonder if the dams will ever be rebuilt.

Rick

Sent from my keyboard

> On Jul 9, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi folks,
> 
> I took my Sprite for a 30 minute ride around the subdivision at 25 mph on a nice 90 degree day. I stopped at home and let the car sit for 10 minutes to "heat soak." Then I tried to start it and it started right up, no problem. I let it sit a half hour (more heat soak) and it started right up. Same gasoline. Evidently this problem has something to do with the distance I am from home. 
> 
> Tim
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jul 12 06:47:45 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 06:47:45 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Varoom varoom
Message-ID: <310a9b45-90e3-7cb8-877d-e05813fc0cf6@bradakis.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zd1RK7YnNw&fbclid=IwAR2BaAYkr5-KPQBlcqiiUWq6l5rjEhvtTFOYDAw4l70XVCKuBZXxL_pd9Zw

mjb.



From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 12 06:57:43 2020
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 07:57:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Varoom varoom
In-Reply-To: <310a9b45-90e3-7cb8-877d-e05813fc0cf6@bradakis.com>
References: <310a9b45-90e3-7cb8-877d-e05813fc0cf6@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B46C59A9-97EF-4DA5-B622-C2B4046003C9@yahoo.com>

Steve Myers!

Ron Soave

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 7:48 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zd1RK7YnNw&fbclid=IwAR2BaAYkr5-KPQBlcqiiUWq6l5rjEhvtTFOYDAw4l70XVCKuBZXxL_pd9Zw
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Sun Jul 12 07:12:54 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 09:12:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Varoom varoom
References: <vs3k335r25gpkqe60vnlap4u.1594559420406.ref@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <vs3k335r25gpkqe60vnlap4u.1594559420406@email.lge.com>

Wow!? ?Now that's cool!? ?AND Huffaker powered!!!!!Oooh I bet there are some nifty-neato tricks on that car!? ?VBGChuckSent from my LG Mobile------ Original message------From: Mark J Bradakis via SpridgetsDate: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 8:48 AMTo: Spridget;Cc: Subject:[Spridgets] Varoom varoomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zd1RK7YnNw&fbclid=IwAR2BaAYkr5-KPQBlcqiiUWq6l5rjEhvtTFOYDAw4l70XVCKuBZXxL_pd9Zw

mjb.


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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 10:39:12 2020
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:39:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Varoom varoom
In-Reply-To: <310a9b45-90e3-7cb8-877d-e05813fc0cf6@bradakis.com>
References: <310a9b45-90e3-7cb8-877d-e05813fc0cf6@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAGfzsZdGCXH-txyBygK6NjCLWbaG6CNdnp_HBx5FPCTMd7=nuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Very cool.  Thanks, Mark.

Rick Neville

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On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM Mark J Bradakis via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zd1RK7YnNw&fbclid=IwAR2BaAYkr5-KPQBlcqiiUWq6l5rjEhvtTFOYDAw4l70XVCKuBZXxL_pd9Zw
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Sun Jul 12 19:36:27 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:36:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Phantom Fix
References: <539156552.597031.1594604187788.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <539156552.597031.1594604187788@mail.yahoo.com>

as you may remember my Bugeye stopped running after sitting for a few weeks.? I had spark and fuel was going up to the carb.? It still acted fuel starved though.? At that time I took my single HIF44 carb apart and cleaned it.? I thought the ethanol in the gas had left residue blocking the fuel.? So, yesterday I started it up and it seemed to run OK.? I backed it out of the garage and only got a hundred feet or so before it died and refused to start again.? This morning at 8 AM I pulled the carb off again for a more thorough cleaning.? All fuel passage ways were clear.? There was no reason for the car to act fuel starved again.? I reassembled the carb and put it back in.? The car runs fine now, but I don't know why.? Go figure.Mike MacLean

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From derf247 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 19:51:17 2020
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:51:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Phantom Fix
In-Reply-To: <539156552.597031.1594604187788@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <539156552.597031.1594604187788.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <539156552.597031.1594604187788@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEAAx7-Ad72DjT-8_PO_0W=Eqfa45xUeehqHWH2SGYhVGro7xA@mail.gmail.com>

Ethanol eats certain kinds of rubber and absorbs water like a sponge.  It
doesn't really clog jets and stuff more than debris does.
You might have had some bad gas or some water in the gas.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:37 PM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> as you may remember my Bugeye stopped running after sitting for a few
> weeks.  I had spark and fuel was going up to the carb.  It still acted fuel
> starved though.  At that time I took my single HIF44 carb apart and cleaned
> it.  I thought the ethanol in the gas had left residue blocking the fuel.
> So, yesterday I started it up and it seemed to run OK.  I backed it out of
> the garage and only got a hundred feet or so before it died and refused to
> start again.  This morning at 8 AM I pulled the carb off again for a more
> thorough cleaning.  All fuel passage ways were clear.  There was no reason
> for the car to act fuel starved again.  I reassembled the carb and put it
> back in.  The car runs fine now, but I don't know why.  Go figure.
> Mike MacLean
>
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From weslake1330 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 03:01:42 2020
From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:01:42 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
Message-ID: <CAMhoh1UYkcSanQaAAjMntAO39DP5bmD5r5OUsQE18fZ6GZupdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

Photo of me attached - with my mandatory face mask as a technical official
(scrutineer) in British motorsport.  Next week I'll look about the same
whenever I enter a shop!  Pity we can't get some Spridgetly LBC bandanas -
they're the new t-shirt.

My Sprite ran well and if I get a chance I'll write up some LBC stuff of
all the unplanned jobs I had to do beforehand.

Regards

Daniel
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Tue Jul 14 03:37:22 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:37:22 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo..
References: <1sqomdmjbhuik7gc1ivh3kru.1594719341703.ref@email.lge.com>
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Daniel , almost could not see you..? Camo...LOL!ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 14 06:02:10 2020
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:02:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <CAMhoh1UYkcSanQaAAjMntAO39DP5bmD5r5OUsQE18fZ6GZupdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhoh1UYkcSanQaAAjMntAO39DP5bmD5r5OUsQE18fZ6GZupdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9004AA17-CE37-4C16-83A1-C01E39E2DD33@yahoo.com>

Love it!

Here?s my new race car social distancing last weekend. 

Ron Soave
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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi List,
> 
> Photo of me attached - with my mandatory face mask as a technical official (scrutineer) in British motorsport.  Next week I'll look about the same whenever I enter a shop!  Pity we can't get some Spridgetly LBC bandanas - they're the new t-shirt.
> 
> My Sprite ran well and if I get a chance I'll write up some LBC stuff of all the unplanned jobs I had to do beforehand.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Daniel
> <DS with Bandana 1 Lo Res.jpg>
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From 220caribou at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 13:09:26 2020
From: 220caribou at gmail.com (Mark Haynes)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:09:26 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
Message-ID: <CAMYfP3kepoWmZ=r9wOZtQE=fGX_yULOO-sX9wWZ4+a5feOPGpg@mail.gmail.com>

 Ron-
What? you're back in a BE again? or is that White Trash reimagined???

Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward

Love it!

Here?s my new race car social distancing last weekend.

Ron Soave
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Wed Jul 15 02:05:34 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 04:05:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 3" wide lap / shoulder belt bits needed
References: <gjjgq94u8dcvck1u61nrl2lf.1594800077928.ref@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <gjjgq94u8dcvck1u61nrl2lf.1594800077928@email.lge.com>

All my cars use bolt in belts or wrap around anchors and I want a 3" lap belt for a passenger belt in the Midget.? ?The car has eyelets in it and I need 2 clip in belt ends.??Anyone have a collection of expired belts with clip on ends???Lemme know please.Thank you!ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From robert.duquette at me.com  Wed Jul 15 05:47:35 2020
From: robert.duquette at me.com (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 07:47:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <9004AA17-CE37-4C16-83A1-C01E39E2DD33@yahoo.com>
References: <9004AA17-CE37-4C16-83A1-C01E39E2DD33@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2A00DAF1-7D7F-4987-93FC-A92A0C7D0631@me.com>

So ... this isn?t cool anymore?

I?m so behind the times!!! ;)

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Robert

>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> Photo of me attached - with my mandatory face mask as a technical official (scrutineer) in British motorsport.  Next week I'll look about the same whenever I enter a shop!  Pity we can't get some Spridgetly LBC bandanas - they're the new t-shirt.
>> 
>> My Sprite ran well and if I get a chance I'll write up some LBC stuff of all the unplanned jobs I had to do beforehand.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Daniel
>> <DS with Bandana 1 Lo Res.jpg>
>> ------------------------

From robert.duquette at me.com  Wed Jul 15 06:26:18 2020
From: robert.duquette at me.com (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:26:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <9004AA17-CE37-4C16-83A1-C01E39E2DD33@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <D2933FFA-951C-4DF4-956D-A83DE17C08AC@me.com>

Nice car!!!

Social distancing from the front of the pack?

My Sprite:
(Hasn?t changed in many years.)
But, I hope to change that soon.

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The X1/9 has left the building, giving me a bit more space.

I?m in the re-org phase.

I hope that everyone is doing well in these interesting times.

Robert

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Love it!
> 
> Here?s my new race car social distancing last weekend. 
> 
> Ron Soave
> <image0.jpeg>
> 

From robert.duquette at me.com  Wed Jul 15 06:29:03 2020
From: robert.duquette at me.com (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:29:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Phantom Fix
In-Reply-To: <539156552.597031.1594604187788@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <539156552.597031.1594604187788@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1AD877B6-8CB7-4681-AD8F-888D5B101080@me.com>

LBCs act up if they feel like they?re being ignored.  ;)

Robert

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?as you may remember my Bugeye stopped running after sitting for a few weeks.  I had spark and fuel was going up to the carb.  It still acted fuel starved though.  At that time I took my single HIF44 carb apart and cleaned it.  I thought the ethanol in the gas had left residue blocking the fuel.  So, yesterday I started it up and it seemed to run OK.  I backed it out of the garage and only got a hundred feet or so before it died and refused to start again.  This morning at 8 AM I pulled the carb off again for a more thorough cleaning.  All fuel passage ways were clear.  There was no reason for the car to act fuel starved again.  I reassembled the carb and put it back in.  The car runs fine now, but I don't know why.  Go figure.
> Mike 
> ------------------------

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Wed Jul 15 06:38:06 2020
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (JMFangio)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 07:38:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <2A00DAF1-7D7F-4987-93FC-A92A0C7D0631@me.com>
References: <9004AA17-CE37-4C16-83A1-C01E39E2DD33@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <AEE33148-3524-4D8F-8129-63D8794FA478@comcast.net>

What you are wearing is a half face respirator which is the antithesis of what todays ?masks? do, yours protects YOU from getting anything if those are indeed HEPA cartridges.  What are they tacked on, activated carbon?

Lester



> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:47 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> So ... this isn?t cool anymore?
> 
> I?m so behind the times!!! ;)
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> Robert
> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Photo of me attached - with my mandatory face mask as a technical official (scrutineer) in British motorsport.  Next week I'll look about the same whenever I enter a shop!  Pity we can't get some Spridgetly LBC bandanas - they're the new t-shirt.
>>> 
>>> My Sprite ran well and if I get a chance I'll write up some LBC stuff of all the unplanned jobs I had to do beforehand.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> <DS with Bandana 1 Lo Res.jpg>
>>> ------------------------
> ------------------------
> 
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 15 07:08:08 2020
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <D2933FFA-951C-4DF4-956D-A83DE17C08AC@me.com>
References: <D2933FFA-951C-4DF4-956D-A83DE17C08AC@me.com>
Message-ID: <6488D30E-60C2-407B-A383-2DD47B712906@yahoo.com>

Yes, we were up by almost a mile when a wire failed on the fancy ignition system. 

If anyone gets Vintage Motorsport mag there?s apparently a good article on my white Sprite?s exploits at the Blackhawk Farms Vintage Classic in June. 

Ron Soave

> On Jul 15, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Nice car!!!
> 
> Social distancing from the front of the pack?
> 
> My Sprite:
> (Hasn?t changed in many years.)
> But, I hope to change that soon.
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> The X1/9 has left the building, giving me a bit more space.
> 
> I?m in the re-org phase.
> 
> I hope that everyone is doing well in these interesting times.
> 
> Robert
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Love it!
>> 
>> Here?s my new race car social distancing last weekend. 
>> 
>> Ron Soave
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
> ------------------------
> 
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> 
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From pvanwig at mac.com  Wed Jul 15 08:52:45 2020
From: pvanwig at mac.com (Paul Van Wig)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 07:52:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] 3" wide lap / shoulder belt bits needed
In-Reply-To: <gjjgq94u8dcvck1u61nrl2lf.1594800077928@email.lge.com>
References: <gjjgq94u8dcvck1u61nrl2lf.1594800077928.ref@email.lge.com>
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Message-ID: <CABB9h0Ycvg8vonrEStJXTd3cNF=bGxwhmLQ8EjwSkEPBPX14uQ@mail.gmail.com>

Chuck I recently bought a belt system just to get the shoulder belts to add
one each side for mine. But I don?t remember if it was clip in style or
not. I will look today and let you know. If they are you can have them for
shipping.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 1:06 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> All my cars use bolt in belts or wrap around anchors and I want a 3" lap
> belt for a passenger belt in the Midget.   The car has eyelets in it and I
> need 2 clip in belt ends.
> Anyone have a collection of expired belts with clip on ends?
> Lemme know please.
> Thank you!
> Chuck
>
> *Sent from my LG Mobile*
> ------------------------
>
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From robert.duquette at me.com  Wed Jul 15 09:11:54 2020
From: robert.duquette at me.com (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:11:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <AEE33148-3524-4D8F-8129-63D8794FA478@comcast.net>
References: <AEE33148-3524-4D8F-8129-63D8794FA478@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EF4E0AA9-21D0-4310-88C5-91C32717A2E2@me.com>

Don?t take me too seriously!  ;)

The photo was from 2015.  My hair is much longer now.

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For current socializing from a distance, I have the cloth masks (minimal ?me? protection) and n95 masks from my workbench that?s were for dust protection.

Mostly, I just avoid other people.

Robert

> On Jul 15, 2020, at 8:46 AM, JMFangio <oldsaabguy at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?What you are wearing is a half face respirator which is the antithesis of what todays ?masks? do, yours protects YOU from getting anything if those are indeed HEPA cartridges.  What are they tacked on, activated carbon?
> 
> Lester
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:47 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> So ... this isn?t cool anymore?
>> 
>> I?m so behind the times!!! ;)
>> 
>> <image.jpg>
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> 
>>>> Photo of me attached - with my mandatory face mask as a technical official (scrutineer) in British motorsport.  Next week I'll look about the same whenever I enter a shop!  Pity we can't get some Spridgetly LBC bandanas - they're the new t-shirt.
>>>> 
>>>> My Sprite ran well and if I get a chance I'll write up some LBC stuff of all the unplanned jobs I had to do beforehand.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel
>>>> <DS with Bandana 1 Lo Res.jpg>
>>>> ------------------------
>> ------------------------
>> 
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>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> 

From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 15 09:23:28 2020
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:23:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <EF4E0AA9-21D0-4310-88C5-91C32717A2E2@me.com>
References: <EF4E0AA9-21D0-4310-88C5-91C32717A2E2@me.com>
Message-ID: <E18C9087-72B7-40C0-B3F4-C219A7DB025D@yahoo.com>

Plus you?re from Canada where you actually followed health professionals? advice and have it under control. ?? ?? 

Ron Soave

> On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Don?t take me too seriously!  ;)
> 
> The photo was from 2015.  My hair is much longer now.
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> For current socializing from a distance, I have the cloth masks (minimal ?me? protection) and n95 masks from my workbench that?s were for dust protection.
> 
> Mostly, I just avoid other people.
> 
> Robert
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 8:46 AM, JMFangio <oldsaabguy at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?What you are wearing is a half face respirator which is the antithesis of what todays ?masks? do, yours protects YOU from getting anything if those are indeed HEPA cartridges.  What are they tacked on, activated carbon?
>> 
>> Lester
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:47 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So ... this isn?t cool anymore?
>>> 
>>> I?m so behind the times!!! ;)
>>> 
>>> <image.jpg>
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photo of me attached - with my mandatory face mask as a technical official (scrutineer) in British motorsport.  Next week I'll look about the same whenever I enter a shop!  Pity we can't get some Spridgetly LBC bandanas - they're the new t-shirt.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My Sprite ran well and if I get a chance I'll write up some LBC stuff of all the unplanned jobs I had to do beforehand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> <DS with Bandana 1 Lo Res.jpg>
>>>>> ------------------------
>>> ------------------------
>>> 
>>> spridgets at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> 
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Wed Jul 15 09:55:55 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:55:55 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Canadia. ...  Eh?
References: <fgmblddguh06hjp2d72o9aa9.1594828164461.ref@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <fgmblddguh06hjp2d72o9aa9.1594828164461@email.lge.com>

Canada is tough on evrything!? ?Ron try bringing a rolling empty car ( MG Midget)? shell to the border....before 9-11 !? ??LOL!? ?You had to be there....ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From robert.duquette at me.com  Wed Jul 15 12:35:38 2020
From: robert.duquette at me.com (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 14:35:38 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Photo for the list
In-Reply-To: <E18C9087-72B7-40C0-B3F4-C219A7DB025D@yahoo.com>
References: <E18C9087-72B7-40C0-B3F4-C219A7DB025D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <33FB4E2F-60C4-4EB7-81E2-4D263DE5DB04@me.com>

I wish that we were perfect.  Our seniors In care facilities really took a hit.

Some migrant workers weren?t properly taken care of.

Fauci and Gupta are great sources of info.

Robert

> On Jul 15, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Plus you?re from Canada where you actually followed health professionals? advice and have it under control. ?? ?? 
> 
> Ron Soave
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Don?t take me too seriously!  ;)
>> 
>> The photo was from 2015.  My hair is much longer now.
>> 
>> <image.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> For current socializing from a distance, I have the cloth masks (minimal ?me? protection) and n95 masks from my workbench that were for dust protection.
>> 
>> Mostly, I just avoid other people.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 8:46 AM, JMFangio <oldsaabguy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?What you are wearing is a half face respirator which is the antithesis of what todays ?masks? do, yours protects YOU from getting anything if those are indeed HEPA cartridges.  What are they tacked on, activated carbon?
>>> 
>>> Lester
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:47 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So ... this isn?t cool anymore?
>>>> 
>>>> I?m so behind the times!!! ;)
>>>> 
>>>> <image.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Photo of me attached - with my mandatory face mask as a technical official (scrutineer) in British motorsport.  Next week I'll look about the same whenever I enter a shop!  Pity we can't get some Spridgetly LBC bandanas - they're the new t-shirt.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My Sprite ran well and if I get a chance I'll write up some LBC stuff of all the unplanned jobs I had to do beforehand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> <DS with Bandana 1 Lo Res.jpg>
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Wed Jul 15 13:38:20 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] carb cleaner
Message-ID: <95B8D3B6-DE78-425D-A079-C04488F76720@chartermi.net>

A couple of weeks ago Chuck asked what everyone was using for carb cleaner in these EPA mandated safety "causes cancer in California" days.  I replied that I was still using an old can of Berryman's Chem-Dip I believe.  Stuff takes the skin off your fingers.  Got it out today to clean some brake master pistons that had petrified rubber seals on them and found out the stuff had nearly eaten through the gallon can and was about ready to set itself free.  Luckily my local hardware store sells empty one gallon resealable paint cans.  Good for another few years.  :-)

Rick

Sent from my keyboard

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Thu Jul 16 07:14:56 2020
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (JMFangio)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:14:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] carb cleaner
In-Reply-To: <95B8D3B6-DE78-425D-A079-C04488F76720@chartermi.net>
References: <95B8D3B6-DE78-425D-A079-C04488F76720@chartermi.net>
Message-ID: <AB2231EA-DC40-41B4-A31D-D06842FC71A7@comcast.net>

That is what happened to mine, went to use it and the top half of the can with the wire handle pulled away from the rest of it?  like an old British car or something.  ;-)

Lester

Now I use an ultrasonic and, standby here," LA?s Most Awesome" cleaner.  Only available at Dollar stores.  Takes off most crud and quickly.  Stronger than Simple Green.  Use it on dry things, after you rinse wait for the carb to dry before you reapply.  



> On Jul 15, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> A couple of weeks ago Chuck asked what everyone was using for carb cleaner in these EPA mandated safety "causes cancer in California" days.  I replied that I was still using an old can of Berryman's Chem-Dip I believe.  Stuff takes the skin off your fingers.  Got it out today to clean some brake master pistons that had petrified rubber seals on them and found out the stuff had nearly eaten through the gallon can and was about ready to set itself free.  Luckily my local hardware store sells empty one gallon resealable paint cans.  Good for another few years.  :-)
> 
> Rick
> 
> Sent from my keyboard
> ------------------------
> 
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> 
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 17:33:47 2020
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (bmwwxman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:33:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] A little help....
Message-ID: <CAJgjnuqYX1neqve5RD=w35gu_U+o_jUUVdM14mV6UnXx2F2R7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Need help to get two seat frames from Dodge City, KS to Orange County,
CA...  PM me if you can help.
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Sun Jul 19 01:47:44 2020
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 00:47:44 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Phantom Fix
In-Reply-To: <1AD877B6-8CB7-4681-AD8F-888D5B101080@me.com>
References: <539156552.597031.1594604187788@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <c5ea1088-cced-c134-8859-a87e57efc81e@cox.net>


On 7/15/2020 5:29 AM, Robert Duquette via Spridgets wrote:
> LBCs act up if they feel like they?re being ignored.  ;)
>
> Robert

Don't anthropomorphize British cars. It annoys them.

Cheers,
Dave



From robert.a.weeks at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 08:57:01 2020
From: robert.a.weeks at gmail.com (Robert Weeks)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:57:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Seat frames
Message-ID: <CALFC2Z8WAwgo8VxWZgZmprk-aZ+asWz1BZnEwJ-6oNvcNQoSFg@mail.gmail.com>

HI All,

I may have asked this before, but I don't remember, so please forgive me if
I have. Does anyone have a source for used spridget seat frames? We're
looking for the 67 - 68 style but really we only need the seat, not the
back if that is the best we can do.

Short of that has anyone fabricated their own frames? I'm assuming
electrical conduit is not the ideal metal, but if anyone could point us in
the right direction I'd appreciate it. My son got my old Midget running,
with new brakes and all but we need a passenger side seat now. Maybe *need*
is a little too strong but he's patched up the floor and a passenger seat
would be nice.

If anyone has one off a parts car please let me know.

Best,

Robert

Robert Weeks
Black Moon Guitars
https://blackmoonguitars.com/
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Mon Jul 20 10:10:30 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:10:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clip in seat belt eyelets
References: <n3qln8tbp35ntm8hm382h2rq.1595260761077.ref@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <n3qln8tbp35ntm8hm382h2rq.1595260761077@email.lge.com>

Still looking for 2 used clip in ends for a3" wide lap belt.I had intended to install an old Austin Healey/MG accessory lap belt in the passenger side of the Midget.????What transpired yesterday just caught me off guard!?? ??Went to install the factory belt to find the belts of days gone by used a smaller size eyelet than later belts or competition belts use.?? ??I have 2 modern larger gauge/diameter eylets installed in the car....so now I'm committed to putting a used 3" wide competition belt in.?? ??To modify the original factory belt would not be right!?? ( I have the set , the other one is the passenger belt in my Bugeye)If anyone has any of the vintage seat belt mount eyelets , please let me know , I need 2 to complete the belt ( for another car!).Thank you!?? ??ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From frogeye at cox.net  Mon Jul 20 12:17:17 2020
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 14:17:17 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clip in seat belt eyelets
In-Reply-To: <n3qln8tbp35ntm8hm382h2rq.1595260761077@email.lge.com>
References: <n3qln8tbp35ntm8hm382h2rq.1595260761077@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <41FB790D-732A-405D-936F-D775735A0028@cox.net>

Like this one?
Alan


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 20, 2020, at 12:11 PM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Still looking for 2 used clip in ends for a3" wide lap belt.
> I had intended to install an old Austin Healey/MG accessory lap belt in the passenger side of the Midget.  
> What transpired yesterday just caught me off guard!   Went to install the factory belt to find the belts of days gone by used a smaller size eyelet than later belts or competition belts use.   I have 2 modern larger gauge/diameter eylets installed in the car....so now I'm committed to putting a used 3" wide competition belt in.   To modify the original factory belt would not be right!  ( I have the set , the other one is the passenger belt in my Bugeye)
> If anyone has any of the vintage seat belt mount eyelets , please let me know , I need 2 to complete the belt ( for another car!).
> Thank you!   
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Mon Jul 20 14:05:35 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:05:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bill ?   Like what?
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No listing came through in the message bill.ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Mon Jul 20 14:18:33 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:18:33 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What the accessory belt looks like
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Just thought I would send an image of what the buckle and anchor point look like .Made in the USA by U.S. SAFETY CORP..Buckle # USW 201 and the piece that inserts into the buckle is # USW 201-T.Finding parts like this in a rusted out parts car is a thing of the past....ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Mon Jul 20 14:31:52 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:31:52 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What the accessory belt looks like
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I threw all those away years ago.   lol

Sent from my keyboard

> On Jul 20, 2020, at 4:20 PM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just thought I would send an image of what the buckle and anchor point look like .
> Made in the USA by U.S. SAFETY CORP..
> Buckle # USW 201 and the piece that inserts into the buckle is # USW 201-T.
> Finding parts like this in a rusted out parts car is a thing of the past....
> Chuck
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Mon Jul 20 16:39:40 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:39:40 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Yes!  Bill!   That part...
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Yes that's the piece I need 2 of.I had hoped that some racer might have an expired date set of belts with these ends as opposed to (gasp!) what these are worth brand new.? ?Realising these are certified , manufactured with some liability and that's involved in the sale price.? ?It's Frank's race car and its still a "We Tight" project.??ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Tue Jul 21 22:43:22 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:43:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Won't Run
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I am honing in on the problem of my Bugeye refusing to run more than a float bowl worth of fuel at a time.? I have a 1275 punched out to 1330 and fuel it with a single HIF44 S.U. carb.? The problem I am now having is the Facet electric pump running furiously like no fuel is running through it, which it is not.? Tonight I removed the fuel line from the carb end and stuck it in a jar.? I turned the key to energize the fuel pump and it started to cavitate and run furiously as before, but in a few seconds it bogged down just like it does when the float bowl is full and the jar started to fill up!? The float bowl vent is open and the fuel inlet hose is connected to the correct inlet pipe.? I have had this carb apart three times and found no obstructions anywhere.? What could be plugging up the float bowl chamber vent stopping gas from entering the carb?? As you can see in the picture, the connections are correct as they have been all along. Any ideas?Mike MacLean
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From daredelvis at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 22:58:04 2020
From: daredelvis at gmail.com (daredelvis at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Won't Run
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Dirty or stuck needle would be my guess. 

Brian

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I am honing in on the problem of my Bugeye refusing to run more than a float bowl worth of fuel at a time.  I have a 1275 punched out to 1330 and fuel it with a single HIF44 S.U. carb.  The problem I am now having is the Facet electric pump running furiously like no fuel is running through it, which it is not.  Tonight I removed the fuel line from the carb end and stuck it in a jar.  I turned the key to energize the fuel pump and it started to cavitate and run furiously as before, but in a few seconds it bogged down just like it does when the float bowl is full and the jar started to fill up!  The float bowl vent is open and the fuel inlet hose is connected to the correct inlet pipe.  I have had this carb apart three times and found no obstructions anywhere.  What could be plugging up the float bowl chamber vent stopping gas from entering the carb?  As you can see in the picture, the connections are correct as they have been all along. Any ideas?
> Mike MacLean
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Tue Jul 21 23:27:35 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:27:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Won't Run
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 Had it all apart including the needle and seat.? Clean and moves freely.Mike

    On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 9:58:08 PM PDT, <daredelvis at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Dirty or stuck needle would be my guess.?
Brian

On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:



?I am honing in on the problem of my Bugeye refusing to run more than a float bowl worth of fuel at a time.? I have a 1275 punched out to 1330 and fuel it with a single HIF44 S.U. carb.? The problem I am now having is the Facet electric pump running furiously like no fuel is running through it, which it is not.? Tonight I removed the fuel line from the carb end and stuck it in a jar.? I turned the key to energize the fuel pump and it started to cavitate and run furiously as before, but in a few seconds it bogged down just like it does when the float bowl is full and the jar started to fill up!? The float bowl vent is open and the fuel inlet hose is connected to the correct inlet pipe.? I have had this carb apart three times and found no obstructions anywhere.? What could be plugging up the float bowl chamber vent stopping gas from entering the carb?? As you can see in the picture, the connections are correct as they have been all along. Any ideas?Mike MacLean
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From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Wed Jul 22 05:36:05 2020
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (Ryan Kubanoff)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:36:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Won't Run
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So the pump stops running seems to be your problem. Is your pump puling from the tank or pushing to the carb? Try moving the pump closer to the tank and running it if it still works its a problem with the carb or the hard fuel line from the tank forward. If not its a problem with the pump.
Ryan

>     On 07/22/2020 1:27 AM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Had it all apart including the needle and seat.  Clean and moves freely.
>     Mike
> 
>     On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 9:58:08 PM PDT, <daredelvis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Dirty or stuck needle would be my guess. 
> 
>     Brian
> 
> 
>         > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > 
> >         I am honing in on the problem of my Bugeye refusing to run more than a float bowl worth of fuel at a time.  I have a 1275 punched out to 1330 and fuel it with a single HIF44 S.U. carb.  The problem I am now having is the Facet electric pump running furiously like no fuel is running through it, which it is not.  Tonight I removed the fuel line from the carb end and stuck it in a jar.  I turned the key to energize the fuel pump and it started to cavitate and run furiously as before, but in a few seconds it bogged down just like it does when the float bowl is full and the jar started to fill up!  The float bowl vent is open and the fuel inlet hose is connected to the correct inlet pipe.  I have had this carb apart three times and found no obstructions anywhere.  What could be plugging up the float bowl chamber vent stopping gas from entering the carb?  As you can see in the picture, the connections are correct as they have been all along. Any ideas?
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Wed Jul 22 08:44:37 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:44:37 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment??? ??That's a beginning.?? ??Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.?? ??These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.?? ??Another fun one ( happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!?? ??Does nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against the pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked fuel filter.?? Started , ran for a bit and would quit...?? That drove me crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the tank !?? ????Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.?? ??Possibly an internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank??? ??This ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over time.?? ??Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering what is wrong.ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com  Wed Jul 22 08:52:11 2020
From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (crusaderchuck55 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:52:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Paul Van Wig
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Please email me again directly.I am unable to open your attachment .?? ??Original message ended up in my spam folder.????And...heres my??address:Charles Christ255 West Rauschs RoadOrwigsburg , Pa. , 17961Let me know shipping please.And as ALWAYS!!THANK YOU!ChuckSent from my LG Mobile
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From miniac7 at aol.com  Wed Jul 22 11:25:02 2020
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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I have more questions than answers right now:
... Was this tank ever sealed with a chemical fuel tank sealer?
... How does the fuel filter look?
... Have you tried running the engine with the fuel tank cap removed?
Howard Collins


In a message dated 7/22/2020 10:46:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:

Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?? ?That's a beginning.? ?Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.? 
These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.? ?Another fun one ( happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!? ?Does nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked fuel filter.? Started , ran for a bit and would quit...? That drove me crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the tank !? ?
Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.? ?Possibly an internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?? ?This ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over time.? 
Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering what is wrong.Chuck
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Wed Jul 22 12:32:29 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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 Tank was originally rebuilt by Renuzit which probably coated the interior with something, but that was over 20 years ago.? Fuel filter looks fine.? It is one of the clear plastic VW type filters.? I can't see anything from the outside of the filter, but that does not mean it is not plugged.? Yes, I have tried running the fuel pump with the gas cap off and it was still cavitating.? It only started pumping again after I disconnected the fuel line from the filter near the carb.? Today I am going to disconnect the fuel line on the other side of the filter and try it again.? Also going to lift the rear of the car and check the fuel line from the pump to the tank.? Maybe ethanol has done it's damage to the rubber line.? 
Mike MacLean

    On Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:25:15 AM PDT, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I have more questions than answers right now:
... Was this tank ever sealed with a chemical fuel tank sealer?
... How does the fuel filter look?
... Have you tried running the engine with the fuel tank cap removed?
Howard Collins


In a message dated 7/22/2020 10:46:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:

Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?? ?That's a beginning.? ?Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.? 
These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.? ?Another fun one ( happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!? ?Does nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked fuel filter.? Started , ran for a bit and would quit...? That drove me crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the tank !? ?
Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.? ?Possibly an internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?? ?This ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over time.? 
Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering what is wrong.Chuck
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From miniac7 at aol.com  Wed Jul 22 12:55:22 2020
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:55:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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The reason I asked about the fuel tank sealer is that I recently had a tank which had been sealed, where the sealer disintegrated, and clogged up one of the filters which resulted in intermittent running.

Speaking of Ethanol fuel, I am going to start using Ethanol-free fuel for my LBC's.

The good news is, the closest station listed on the Puregas web site is a Sunoco station about 20 minutes from my home. The bad news is, they only carry 110 octane racing fuel in Ethanol-free at $8/gallon.
The next closest station is about 45 minutes away, but well worth the drive. I guess I'll be stocking up on some additional 6 gallon fuel jugs.
https://www.pure-gas.org/
Howard Collins
In a message dated 7/22/2020 2:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, rrengineer.mike at att.net writes:


Tank was originally rebuilt by Renuzit which probably coated the interior with something, but that was over 20 years ago.? Fuel filter looks fine.? It is one of the clear plastic VW type filters.? I can't see anything from the outside of the filter, but that does not mean it is not plugged.? Yes, I have tried running the fuel pump with the gas cap off and it was still cavitating.? It only started pumping again after I disconnected the fuel line from the filter near the carb.? Today I am going to disconnect the fuel line on the other side of the filter and try it again.? Also going to lift the rear of the car and check the fuel line from the pump to the tank.? Maybe ethanol has done it's damage to the rubber line.
 Mike MacLean
On Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:25:15 AM PDT, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

I have more questions than answers right now:
... Was this tank ever sealed with a chemical fuel tank sealer?
... How does the fuel filter look?
... Have you tried running the engine with the fuel tank cap removed?
Howard Collins


In a message dated 7/22/2020 10:46:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:

Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?? ?That's a beginning.? ?Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.
 These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.? ?Another fun one ( happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!? ?Does nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked fuel filter.? Started , ran for a bit and would quit...? That drove me crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the tank !? 
Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.? ?Possibly an internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?? ?This ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over time.
 Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering what is wrong.Chuck
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From frogeye at cox.net  Fri Jul 24 08:07:06 2020
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:07:06 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fiberglass rear racing fenders
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I am taking a Midget to its final resting place and it has glass flared fenders on it.
They can be removed and rescued with some time and effort. For a six pack or two
and the cost of a few blades, they can be saved.
I have new never installed front glass fenders as well at a fair price also.
I have pictures if interested.
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From kgrudo at aol.com  Wed Jul 22 05:54:36 2020
From: kgrudo at aol.com (Ken Rudolphy)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:54:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Won't Run
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Is there debris in the tank restricting the pickup tube, or xxxx in the fuel line?? I've had the latter happen to me before 
On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 Ryan Kubanoff via Spridgets <ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net> wrote:
  So the pump stops running seems to be your problem. Is your pump puling from the tank or pushing to the carb? Try moving the pump closer to the tank and running it if it still works its a problem with the carb or the hard fuel line from the tank forward. If not its a problem with the pump. 
   Ryan  
  On 07/22/2020 1:27 AM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
    
   Had it all apart including the needle and seat.? Clean and moves freely.   Mike 
   
      On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 9:58:08 PM PDT, <daredelvis at gmail.com> wrote:   
   
      Dirty or stuck needle would be my guess.?   
   Brian    
 
 On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: 
 
 
   
   
     I am honing in on the problem of my Bugeye refusing to run more than a float bowl worth of fuel at a time.? I have a 1275 punched out to 1330 and fuel it with a single HIF44 S.U. carb.? The problem I am now having is the Facet electric pump running furiously like no fuel is running through it, which it is not.? Tonight I removed the fuel line from the carb end and stuck it in a jar.? I turned the key to energize the fuel pump and it started to cavitate and run furiously as before, but in a few seconds it bogged down just like it does when the float bowl is full and the jar started to fill up!? The float bowl vent is open and the fuel inlet hose is connected to the correct inlet pipe.? I have had this carb apart three times and found no obstructions anywhere.? What could be plugging up the float bowl chamber vent stopping gas from entering the carb?? As you can see in the picture, the connections are correct as they have been all along. Any ideas?     Mike MacLean  
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 07:13:10 2020
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Won't Run
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Pull the hose again, let it fill the jar about halfway and then pinch the
hose off to stop the flow.  Release the pinch.  Does it start to flow again?
Your pump may be bypassing after it sees the first stoppage and may not be
recovering back to normal pumping.
After the jar fills you can try removing the hose at the tank end,
reversing the pump, and back flushing it.
You may possibly have a hose collapsing before the pump.
Try a different pump.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:36 AM Ryan Kubanoff via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> So the pump stops running seems to be your problem. Is your pump puling
> from the tank or pushing to the carb? Try moving the pump closer to the
> tank and running it if it still works its a problem with the carb or the
> hard fuel line from the tank forward. If not its a problem with the pump.
> Ryan
>
> On 07/22/2020 1:27 AM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Had it all apart including the needle and seat.  Clean and moves freely.
> Mike
>
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 9:58:08 PM PDT, <daredelvis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dirty or stuck needle would be my guess.
>
> Brian
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I am honing in on the problem of my Bugeye refusing to run more than a
> float bowl worth of fuel at a time.  I have a 1275 punched out to 1330 and
> fuel it with a single HIF44 S.U. carb.  The problem I am now having is the
> Facet electric pump running furiously like no fuel is running through it,
> which it is not.  Tonight I removed the fuel line from the carb end and
> stuck it in a jar.  I turned the key to energize the fuel pump and it
> started to cavitate and run furiously as before, but in a few seconds it
> bogged down just like it does when the float bowl is full and the jar
> started to fill up!  The float bowl vent is open and the fuel inlet hose is
> connected to the correct inlet pipe.  I have had this carb apart three
> times and found no obstructions anywhere.  What could be plugging up the
> float bowl chamber vent stopping gas from entering the carb?  As you can
> see in the picture, the connections are correct as they have been all
> along. Any ideas?
> Mike MacLean
>
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From refisk at chartermi.net  Wed Jul 22 13:17:14 2020
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:17:14 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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Howard,

Look for "Rec" gas.  Around here the alcohol feee stuff is called "recreation gas" and it's intended use is boats.  But it's perfectly legal to use it in a street car.  Here it usually costs about a dollar a gallon more the the gas with ethanol, unless you buy it at a marina.  110 octane leaded race gas is available at many gas stations here too, only $6.99 a gallon.  :-)

Rick


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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 2:55 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The reason I asked about the fuel tank sealer is that I recently had a tank which had been sealed, where the sealer disintegrated, and clogged up one of the filters which resulted in intermittent running.
> 
> Speaking of Ethanol fuel, I am going to start using Ethanol-free fuel for my LBC's.
> 
> The good news is, the closest station listed on the Puregas web site is a Sunoco station about 20 minutes from my home. The bad news is, they only carry 110 octane racing fuel in Ethanol-free at $8/gallon.
> 
> The next closest station is about 45 minutes away, but well worth the drive. I guess I'll be stocking up on some additional 6 gallon fuel jugs.
> 
> https://www.pure-gas.org/
> 
> Howard Collins
> 
> In a message dated 7/22/2020 2:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, rrengineer.mike at att.net writes:
> 
> 
> Tank was originally rebuilt by Renuzit which probably coated the interior with something, but that was over 20 years ago.  Fuel filter looks fine.  It is one of the clear plastic VW type filters.  I can't see anything from the outside of the filter, but that does not mean it is not plugged.  Yes, I have tried running the fuel pump with the gas cap off and it was still cavitating.  It only started pumping again after I disconnected the fuel line from the filter near the carb.  Today I am going to disconnect the fuel line on the other side of the filter and try it again.  Also going to lift the rear of the car and check the fuel line from the pump to the tank.  Maybe ethanol has done it's damage to the rubber line.
> Mike MacLean
> 
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:25:15 AM PDT, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have more questions than answers right now:
> 
> ... Was this tank ever sealed with a chemical fuel tank sealer?
> 
> ... How does the fuel filter look?
> 
> ... Have you tried running the engine with the fuel tank cap removed?
> 
> Howard Collins
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 7/22/2020 10:46:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:
> 
> Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)
> I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!
> First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?   That's a beginning.   Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.
> These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.   Another fun one ( happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!   Does nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked fuel filter.  Started , ran for a bit and would quit...  That drove me crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the tank !  
> Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.   Possibly an internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?   This ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over time.
> Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering what is wrong.
> Chuck
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From miniac7 at aol.com  Thu Jul 23 09:08:08 2020
From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:08:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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That's a great suggestion Rick, but none of the marinas around here carry anything other than 10% ethanol lead-free regular and premium, plus diesel.
Howard
In a message dated 7/22/2020 3:17:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, refisk at chartermi.net writes:

Howard,
Look for "Rec" gas. ?Around here the alcohol feee stuff is called "recreation gas" and it's intended use is boats. ?But it's perfectly legal to use it in a street car. ?Here it usually costs about a dollar a gallon more the the gas with ethanol, unless you buy it at a marina. ?110 octane leaded race gas is available at many gas stations here too, only $6.99 a gallon. ?:-)
Rick

Sent from my keyboard

On Jul 22, 2020, at 2:55 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:



The reason I asked about the fuel tank sealer is that I recently had a tank which had been sealed, where the sealer disintegrated, and clogged up one of the filters which resulted in intermittent running.

Speaking of Ethanol fuel, I am going to start using Ethanol-free fuel for my LBC's.

The good news is, the closest station listed on the Puregas web site is a Sunoco station about 20 minutes from my home. The bad news is, they only carry 110 octane racing fuel in Ethanol-free at $8/gallon.
The next closest station is about 45 minutes away, but well worth the drive. I guess I'll be stocking up on some additional 6 gallon fuel jugs.
https://www.pure-gas.org/
Howard Collins
In a message dated 7/22/2020 2:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, rrengineer.mike at att.net writes:


Tank was originally rebuilt by Renuzit which probably coated the interior with something, but that was over 20 years ago.? Fuel filter looks fine.? It is one of the clear plastic VW type filters.? I can't see anything from the outside of the filter, but that does not mean it is not plugged.? Yes, I have tried running the fuel pump with the gas cap off and it was still cavitating.? It only started pumping again after I disconnected the fuel line from the filter near the carb.? Today I am going to disconnect the fuel line on the other side of the filter and try it again.? Also going to lift the rear of the car and check the fuel line from the pump to the tank.? Maybe ethanol has done it's damage to the rubber line.Mike MacLean
On Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:25:15 AM PDT, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

I have more questions than answers right now:
... Was this tank ever sealed with a chemical fuel tank sealer?
... How does the fuel filter look?
... Have you tried running the engine with the fuel tank cap removed?
Howard Collins


In a message dated 7/22/2020 10:46:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets at autox.team.net writes:

Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?? ?That's a beginning.? ?Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.? ?Another fun one ( happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!? ?Does nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked fuel filter.? Started , ran for a bit and would quit...? That drove me crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the tank !
 Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.? ?Possibly an internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?? ?This ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over time.Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering what is wrong.Chuck
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 09:07:00 2020
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:07:00 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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I had one of the black Facet pumps go out on my 1966 Mustang after about
two months in which time it had very little use.  It made the noises but
didn't deliver the goods.  I think something happened with an internal
bypass, maybe.  I replaced it with a similar pump and haven't had any
trouble since but have been using non-Ethanol gas from "the blue handle" at
the pump.
Regards,
Derf


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:46 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)
> I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!
> First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?
>  That's a beginning.   Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing
> fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.
> These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain
> in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube
> rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer
> applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.   Another fun one (
> happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag
> stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!   Does
> nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against
> th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked
> fuel filter.  Started , ran for a bit and would quit...  That drove me
> crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the
> tank !
> Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely
> flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.   Possibly an
> internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?   This
> ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over
> time.
> Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering
> what is wrong.
> Chuck
>
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From weslake1330 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 10:48:45 2020
From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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One of my friends has a 66 Mustang, here in the UK.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 16:24, derf via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I had one of the black Facet pumps go out on my 1966 Mustang after about
> two months in which time it had very little use.  It made the noises but
> didn't deliver the goods.  I think something happened with an internal
> bypass, maybe.  I replaced it with a similar pump and haven't had any
> trouble since but have been using non-Ethanol gas from "the blue handle" at
> the pump.
> Regards,
> Derf
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:46 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)
>> I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!
>> First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?
>>  That's a beginning.   Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing
>> fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.
>> These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real
>> pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube
>> rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer
>> applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.   Another fun one (
>> happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag
>> stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!   Does
>> nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against
>> th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked
>> fuel filter.  Started , ran for a bit and would quit...  That drove me
>> crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the
>> tank !
>> Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely
>> flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.   Possibly an
>> internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?   This
>> ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over
>> time.
>> Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering
>> what is wrong.
>> Chuck
>>
>> *Sent from my LG Mobile*
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 10:51:20 2020
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:51:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of my friends has a 66 Mustang, here in the UK.
>
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 16:24, derf via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I had one of the black Facet pumps go out on my 1966 Mustang after about
>> two months in which time it had very little use.  It made the noises but
>> didn't deliver the goods.  I think something happened with an internal
>> bypass, maybe.  I replaced it with a similar pump and haven't had any
>> trouble since but have been using non-Ethanol gas from "the blue handle" at
>> the pump.
>> Regards,
>> Derf
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:46 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <
>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)
>>> I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!
>>> First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine
>>> compartment?   That's a beginning.   Pumps seem to like being close to the
>>> tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling
>>> fuel.
>>> These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real
>>> pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube
>>> rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer
>>> applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.   Another fun one (
>>> happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag
>>> stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!   Does
>>> nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against
>>> th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked
>>> fuel filter.  Started , ran for a bit and would quit...  That drove me
>>> crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the
>>> tank !
>>> Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely
>>> flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.   Possibly an
>>> internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?   This
>>> ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over
>>> time.
>>> Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering
>>> what is wrong.
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> *Sent from my LG Mobile*
>>> ------------------------
>>>
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From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Fri Jul 24 12:36:14 2020
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (JMFangio)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:36:14 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Mike's fuelish Bugeye
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I was half expecting it to be powder blue.  ;-)

Lester



> On Jul 24, 2020, at 11:51 AM, derf via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <IMG_20200416_191055.jpg>
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Weslake1330 <weslake1330 at gmail.com <mailto:weslake1330 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> One of my friends has a 66 Mustang, here in the UK.
> 
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 16:24, derf via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net <mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I had one of the black Facet pumps go out on my 1966 Mustang after about two months in which time it had very little use.  It made the noises but didn't deliver the goods.  I think something happened with an internal bypass, maybe.  I replaced it with a similar pump and haven't had any trouble since but have been using non-Ethanol gas from "the blue handle" at the pump.  
> Regards,
> Derf
>   
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:46 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net <mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Alrighty then! ( Ace Ventura moment!)
> I am smelling a rat in the fuel delivery system not the carb!
> First is your fuel pump set up at the tank or in the engine compartment?   That's a beginning.   Pumps seem to like being close to the tank pushing fuel as opposed to being well away from the tank and pulling fuel.   
> These fuel tanks have a fixed pick up tube in them that can be a real pain in the posterior if anything has obstructed the tube , end of the tube rusted off or a tank sealer applied and glued the tube shut or tank sealer applied wrong & peeling off , clogging the pickup tube.   Another fun one ( happened to my car early in my ownership!) Is the lost has cap , rag stuffed in the filler neck and OOPS , rag ended up in the tank!   Does nothing initially but eventually the electric pump sucked the tag against th e pickup tube , and sediment fouled the rag and it acted like a blocked fuel filter.  Started , ran for a bit and would quit...  That drove me crazy until I dropped the tank , pulled the sending unit and looks into the tank !    
> Mike somewhere you have a restriction keeping your fuel from freely flowing from the pickup in the tank to feed your pump.   Possibly an internally collapsing rubber fuel line connecting pump to tank?   This ethanol fuel has done some rather odd stuff to rubber components over time.   
> Just some thoughts which might point you in a direction of discovering what is wrong.
> Chuck
> 
> Sent from my LG Mobile
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