From peter at nosimport.com Fri Jan 1 08:34:57 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:34:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Enigma In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40912311733w3e3dad5axce48248f25a64ecb@mail.gmail.co m> References: <37dc82d40912311733w3e3dad5axce48248f25a64ecb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001010735366.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Handbrake? How many clicks to lock the rear brakes? Should be 3 or 4. If more adjust the rear shoes. Peter C == At 07:33 PM 12/31/2009, you wrote: >59 Bugeye with front disks. > >3/4 inch original master cyl that came with the parts for converting to disk >brakes. > >System *completely bled*. . including slave cyl. > >Now, no leaks. . > >New cap on master cyl. with cork gasket. > >I still have to pump up the brakes to get pressure to stop - brake pedal >will not hold on a hill. Clutch works fine. > >I have exhausted everything I can think of. > >When I push the rod into the master cyl I notice the fluid pushing hard to >the bottom of the cap. (Translucent white cap). This might point to a block >in the system? However, my Gunson bleeder seems to push good pressure >through the system when I bleed the brakes. > > >Master Cyl had a rebuild kit installed about two years ago. And again, the >clutch is holding pressure. > >If there was a leak in my master cyl brake bore - I would also see fluid >coming out of the front of the cylinder (like with my slave cyl when it was >leaking)? > >*Any help at all is very much appreciated. . * > > >Thanks! > > > >Kirk Hargreaves >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as peter at nosimport.com > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release Date: >12/31/09 02:52:00 From dwoerpel at wi.net Fri Jan 1 09:04:23 2010 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3E1D07.1050706@wi.net> OK, gotta chime in here. Honeymoon in Hawaii and I was driving a Mehari that had a metal coat-hanger like throttle linkage. It had a bend to fit through the floorboard and the bend would catch on the slot in the floor. Now WOT in a Mahari is not Lamborghini-esque but it does get ones attention. Just reach down and pull the pedal back up at sedate 65mph. Fun vehicle though, wish I had one though I doubt it would be street legal. Here's one like we drove: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Citro%C3%ABn_M%C3%A9hari_offen.jpg Hey! A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO THE ENTIRE SPRIDGET FAMILY! All the best in 2010 (almost Midget 50th time!) Dave W. 59 :{) David Lieb wrote: > I had the accelerator cable freeze on my 72 Lemans 400. I did kill > the ignition, but I won't claim it was my first thought. > > OTOH, my 74 Midget had a worn socket on the back of the accelerator > pedal which would occasionally pop out and lock itself at WOT when > stepped on too hard. Fortunately, the Pontiac had already taught me to > hit the ignition. After the second time, I learned to pop it out > myself BEFORE the autocross... > David L From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 09:07:03 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 08:07:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Tinkerbell Message-ID: <521766.58373.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Apologies to Bring a Trailer subscribers, but came across Bob "WNI" Kansa's old Bugeye: http://classiccarhunter.com/2008/08/club-racer-1960-austin-healey-sprite/ Bob, are you still out there? Ron From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 09:09:53 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 08:09:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Happy New Year Message-ID: <599204.91608.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jon Bauer of Team Thicko commented "I didn't think much of that ice fishing. Took me all day to cut a hole big enough to get my boat in." Ron --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Sales at " Just Brits " wrote: << We might even have some mid-day depending on the catch from the ice fishing crew.>> Just tell them to be a bit SMARTER than the chap over near Ron. Sno-Mobile = IN the water !!! From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 09:17:26 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:17:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Enigma In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40912311733w3e3dad5axce48248f25a64ecb@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40912311733w3e3dad5axce48248f25a64ecb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001010817t3c56eeb8vbe7e2974be819170@mail.gmail.com> Hoses? From kidjoevid at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 10:56:29 2010 From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:56:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Master-slave cylinder Message-ID: <644918.62169.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can somebody answer my question about master-slave cylinders without laughing too loudly? I have a 62 with a 3/4 bore master cylinder. I put a Rivergate conversion in with a 3/4 bore slave cylinder. I'm only getting about 1/2" to 3/4" of travel in the slave. Do I need to bore my master clutch cyl to 7/8"? On the brakes side, I seem to have things right - I converted to disks up front, and have them bled and operating - but I haven't taken it out on the road. And the master is still 3/4". Any insights? Thanks, Joe From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 1 11:19:30 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:19:30 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Vacuum advance Message-ID: Unless you drive it like you stole it, in which case your engine doesn't get to produce any distributor vacuum advance and so you don't need to have the facility. Weslake-Monza 1330 - fast 69 sprite with crapppp fuel consumption In a message dated 31/12/2009 21:21:06 GMT Standard Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: Generally vacuum advance equals fuel economy. From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 13:55:11 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:55:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NLBC Boat FA Message-ID: <338906.46612.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not a Healey, but v. cool boat for auction: http://tinyurl.com/aquaramaboat Ron From dlh2001 at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 14:13:16 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Master-slave cylinder References: <644918.62169.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF86A4C25EA40A69308BDD59EF26B7D@blackbox2> If you go to a larger bore slave you will get even less travel. This is because you have increased the volume of the slave by boring it out. I am running a 3/4 master with a stock bugeye slave with a 1275 pressure plate. The clutch feel is slightly stiff but I am quite happy with it. I don't think 1/2" - 3/4" travel is bad. It only takes a slight amount of movement to disengage the pressure plate from the clutch disk. There is sufficient adjustment in the rest of the system to accomodate the differences. If you are having issues with clutch opperation then I think your problem is that you need to take up more slack at the slave rod adjustment. The question of a different slave bore size is really a determinant of the clutch stiffness at the pedal and not so much about the stroke (within reason). To get a softer feel at the pedal you would go to a larger bore slave, and to get a stiffer feel you would go to a smaller bore. I seem to recall that there is something in the Rivergate instructions regarding the slave rod length adjustment. You should start with a small amount of free play (I think the instruction say about 1/4 inch). You must have some amount a free play down at the slave. In addition you should look at the sprite factory service manual regarding the adjustment nuts in the pedal box to take up the pedal free play. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Lansing" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Master-slave cylinder > Can somebody answer my question about master-slave cylinders without laughing too loudly? > > I have a 62 with a 3/4 bore master cylinder. I put a Rivergate conversion in with a 3/4 bore slave cylinder. I'm only getting > about 1/2" to 3/4" of travel in the slave. Do I need to bore my master clutch cyl to 7/8"? > > On the brakes side, I seem to have things right - I converted to disks up front, and have them bled and operating - but I haven't > taken it out on the road. And the master is still 3/4". > > Any insights? > > Thanks, > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dlh2001 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 14:25:36 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:25:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Master-slave cylinder In-Reply-To: <644918.62169.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <644918.62169.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3E6850.2000307@comcast.net> Joe Lansing wrote: > Can somebody answer my question about master-slave cylinders without laughing too loudly? > > I have a 62 with a 3/4 bore master cylinder. I put a Rivergate conversion in with a 3/4 bore slave cylinder. I'm only getting about 1/2" to 3/4" of travel in the slave. Do I need to bore my master clutch cyl to 7/8"? > > 3/4 master and 3/4 slave works fine on the Nissan slave-Rivergate set up. That is what I have. You tried the slave adjustment, maybe the brake and clutch master rods were mixed up when it was rebuilt. Happens all the time. Although each rod is the same length, they are adjusted differently. The master rod can be made longer or shorter by loosening the lock nut and turning the rod. This may help. Again, too long a master rod will not let the fluid return thru the bleed back hole, too short and there is not enough travel to work the slave. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 14:48:16 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:48:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What else? Message-ID: <402188521001011348k5b18d449ye725ea09081e3bec@mail.gmail.com> OK, this is short notice, but here goes... My sister is getting married in Crestview, Florida (western panhandle, not too far from Pensacola) on Saturday the 9th. It is a long day's drive from the NW suburbs of Chicago (917 miles or so) that would be more enjoyable if spread across two days. Not taking a Spridget cuz I need to bring a drill press home with me. Planning to stop in Nashville on the way back to see the Lane Motor Museum (after all, they have a Brazilian DKW there), but trying to decide where to stop on the way down. Ideally, we would be leaving Palatine at 3ayem or so on Thursday morning (the ONLY way to drive through Chicago on a trip!), driving 6 to 9 hours, stopping to do something interesting and spend the night, getting up early on Friday to complete the trip to Crestview. Originally, we were planning to drive the whole way on Thursday and do something interesting in the Crestview area on Friday, but exhaustive googling did not unearth ANYTHING interesting in that area during early January ;-) Trish is willing to do the car museum on the way home, but she would like something different for the way there. Any ideas? David L From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 14:53:40 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:53:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Vacuum advance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9911001011353m11327a1bi854caca583332774@mail.gmail.com> My opinion is vacuum advance is good for street driven cars Spridgets. Although the 1-2-3 might have a good curve, I'm not experienced with those. From mdrowe at optonline.net Fri Jan 1 15:08:30 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:08:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Vacuum advance In-Reply-To: <5f00d9911001011353m11327a1bi854caca583332774@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9911001011353m11327a1bi854caca583332774@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ported or manifold? Since I have no tube, I can put it either place. I think I have seen both on 1275 engines. Michael Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "derf" To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Vacuum advance > My opinion is vacuum advance is good for street driven cars Spridgets. > Although the 1-2-3 might have a good curve, I'm not experienced with > those. From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 15:19:08 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:19:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Vacuum advance In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9911001011353m11327a1bi854caca583332774@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001011419s1041e0c3j241c299713e1693b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > Ported or manifold? Since I have no tube, I can put it either place. I > think I have seen both on 1275 engines. > Depends on the dizzy setup, no? When it comes to dizzies it is best to have one set up by someone who knows and can test and calibrate them. You tell them vacuum or no, ported or manifold, engine specs, driving style, etc. I played a lot with both vacuum and mechanical only dizzies and they can be tough to tune. Many people consider the mechanical only a high performance item but I think that is incorrectly attributed to them because it was the easiest thing to do when using a side draft Weber. And, the Cooper S dizzies were mechanical only. A vacuum dizzy can be just as effective as a mech only, and even better in many circumstances. Either style will benefit greatly from proper tuning. From froggi60 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 15:22:56 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:22:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <599204.91608.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <599204.91608.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001011422j16f8dfdas30218687e6d65a0e@mail.gmail.com> Doesn't Jon have one of those fancy-assed saws on the back of his boat.... I've never had a boat, but I've seen a lot of 'em with that fancy saw. Here in Oregon, we use flat wooden sticks called "oars". Not only do they help make the boat move, but you can use 'em to turn. Damnedest thing I've ever seen. Herb On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Ron Soave wrote: > Jon Bauer of Team Thicko commented "I didn't think much of that ice > fishing. > Took me all day to cut a hole big enough to get my boat in." > > Ron From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 17:01:37 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:01:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Vacuum advance In-Reply-To: <5f00d9911001011419s1041e0c3j241c299713e1693b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9911001011353m11327a1bi854caca583332774@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9911001011419s1041e0c3j241c299713e1693b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188521001011601o61660a7dic0f5aac043611675@mail.gmail.com> Yes, whether it should be ported vacuum or manifold vacuum is determined by the vacuum module on the distributor. There are numbers on there which can be used to identify it. Mechanical only were done as high-performance items because it allows the points plate to be bolted firmly in place, yielding a more precise spark (all other factors being equal), and race cars do not need vacuum advance as they should not spend much time in a part-throttle condition. I agree with derf that it is a bit silly to not have vacuum advance on a street car as it can improve your emissions and your fuel economy without compromising performance. David L From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 1 17:35:16 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:35:16 EST Subject: [Spridgets] What else? Message-ID: <562c.4d498c21.386feec4@aol.com> What you really mean is not taking the Spridget because there is no room for your wife and the drill press???? Or your wife doesn't fancy have a drill press in her face while in your Spridget???? Now if you had a roll bar (rollover bar) you could take your wife and have the drill press behind the seats and lashed to the roll/rollover bar, course you'd have to have the top down the whole trip but Florida is a warm state? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 01/01/2010 23:16:42 GMT Standard Time, 72spridget at gmail.com writes: Not taking a Spridget cuz I need to bring a drill press home with me. From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 17:46:58 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:46:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What else? In-Reply-To: <562c.4d498c21.386feec4@aol.com> References: <562c.4d498c21.386feec4@aol.com> Message-ID: <402188521001011646w24b3afaenee9b3954dc7d8cba@mail.gmail.com> > What you really mean is not taking the Spridget because there is no room for > your wife and the drill press???? Or your wife doesn't fancy have a drill > press in her face while in your Spridget???? > > Now if you had a roll bar (rollover bar) you could take your wife and have > the drill press behind the seats and lashed to the roll/rollover bar, course > you'd have to have the top down the whole trip but Florida is a warm state? Florida is a "warmer" state than Illinois. The western panhandle is in the extreme north part of Florida and has lows in the 20s at this time of year. The trip would be quite cold without a top in place. Yes, if Trish were not going, I could remove the passenger seat and put it there, but the mods on my Sprite make it impractical to put things on the shelf behind the seat, especially as the seats do not tip (but are more comfortable than stock Bugeye seats). Trish would not fancy holding a drill press in her lap for 917 miles ;-) David L From sales at justbrits.com Fri Jan 1 17:59:18 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:59:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Vacuum advance In-Reply-To: <5f00d9911001011419s1041e0c3j241c299713e1693b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9911001011353m11327a1bi854caca583332774@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9911001011419s1041e0c3j241c299713e1693b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E9A66.3080705@justbrits.com> << Either style will benefit greatly from proper tuning. >> GOSPEL, derf !! Unless a motor [IMHO] is BONE stock spec'd it makes every other motor ONE-of- a-kind and needs to be dealt with accordingly. Can you say "Jeff at Advance Distributors" ?? Ed From sales at justbrits.com Fri Jan 1 20:24:43 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:24:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What else? In-Reply-To: <402188521001011646w24b3afaenee9b3954dc7d8cba@mail.gmail.com> References: <562c.4d498c21.386feec4@aol.com> <402188521001011646w24b3afaenee9b3954dc7d8cba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3EBC7B.9020207@justbrits.com> << Trish would not fancy holding a drill press in her lap for 917 miles ;-) >> HeeHee, I would make 'book' on that, David !! She is 'forgiving' but................... LOL From bkitterer at me.com Fri Jan 1 21:48:40 2010 From: bkitterer at me.com (Bob Kitterer) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:48:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy New Year from Carlsbad In-Reply-To: <402188520912230833o19d81cb2kf07226f13582080a@mail.gmail.com> References: <402188520912230833o19d81cb2kf07226f13582080a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9E1290D6-8B6D-40E4-9D39-1FC9485F7F19@me.com> Happy New Year to all from the Carlsbad Caverns. While not really the starting point of this years adventures on the road it is where I wanted to start the New Year. Sort of a beginning for this long time desire to spend a year on the road. While this is just a short ten day or so car trip (Honda) which will take us back to the RV outside San Diego. Then in a another couple of weeks we will start the first five month RV leg across the southern US. May everyone be able to fulfill their dreams. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage 2000 Miata Special Edition - about to go into storage From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 08:35:49 2010 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:35:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: <4B3E1D07.1050706@wi.net> Message-ID: <429575.67789.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK - Here's my unintended accelleration tale... Back in high school and college I drove a 289-powered '67 Mustang that had a bad habit of popping the non-compression motor mount from time to time. (I'm sure this had nothing to do with my fondness for making the front wheels leave the ground on a second hop or how fun it was to get sideways in second) The most memorable of the motor mount incidents happened once when I was attempting to merge into fast-approaching traffic from a side-street. The left motor mount let loose a few feet into the manouver, which put a stretch on the throttle linkage. This increased the angle on that side of the engine, which further stretched the linkage... You get the picture. The car performed a relatively dramatic sideways entrance to traffic complete with lots of tire smoke and noise. It was a few seconds before I could gather my senses and stomp the clutch pedal. Luckily, I killed the ignition before it blew itself up or put a big dent in the hood from the carb/air cleaner. It was a mystery what had happened at first and I was more than a little shook up. Figured it out later that day and bolted in a chain around the new motor mount so it could not pull a repeat performance. P.S. - Dave - I've never driven a Mehari, but I've seen a couple. I think they are street legal as an antique. (King Midgets are, so these must be - I know they did get officially sold here for at least a while) Not sure I'd want to drive one in New York traffic, though. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 2 15:22:33 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:22:33 EST Subject: [Spridgets] What else? Message-ID: Not even if you cleaned it up first and promised her to be first to use it when you had it fixed in your garage!!! Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 who'd like a drill press, a grinding wheel, some other stuff... In a message dated 02/01/2010 00:46:59 GMT Standard Time, 72spridget at gmail.com writes: Trish would not fancy holding a drill press in her lap for 917 miles ;-) David L From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 2 15:24:15 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:24:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: <429575.67789.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <429575.67789.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3FC78F.4040904@justbrits.com> << P.S. - Dave - I've never driven a Mehari, but I've seen a couple. I think they are street legal as an antique. (King Midgets are, so these must be - I know they did get officially sold here for at least a while) >> David, as I told Dave yesterday there IS one around here. Same colour. Have not been in position to check the plate or chat with the gent. Looks new. <> NOPE, NOR The Loop !!! Ed From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 2 16:43:36 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:43:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What else? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3FDA28.80407@justbrits.com> Daniel, TRUST me on this !!! << Not even if you cleaned it up first and promised her to be first to use it when you had it fixed in your garage!!! >> Whilst Trish IS a very nice & 'understanding' lady, 920+ miles with a drill press in her lap will NOT work -nor would she put up with it !!!!! 500 hundred miles in a Spridget in not 'too' nice weather for a rally?? YES !! Drill press for LONGER ride = NOPE !! Correct, David ?!?!? Ed From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Jan 2 20:41:50 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration References: <429575.67789.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002F2052982F4F77B45D0CC2CCF6EB7C@blackbox2> This is why there are three throttle return springs on the stock SU setup. I can't remember what trade journal it is, but there is this guy who writes these monthly colums where he talks about the various cases where he was called in as a proffesional engineer to be an expert witness. He did one on a broken throttle spring once. If you have an accident as a result of having the engine run away like this and they find out you only had one throttle return spring that broke, then you are screwed. Another way you can get a stuck full throttle on a spridget is if you reposition the gas pedal too far away from the firewall (after welding in new floors). Because of the way the linkage is you can get into a situation where the pedal goes down and sort of snap locks into the down position.. This can be very scary if you discover this, at say, an Encounter gymkhana event...for example. From kidjoevid at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 06:59:53 2010 From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 05:59:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Master-slave cylinder In-Reply-To: <4B3E6850.2000307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <785277.16489.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks all for the guidance. I made a mistake in my original post - my clutch slave is actually 7/8" - not 3/4". So my master and slave are not the same. But based on what people have said - it sounds like I can make it work if I'm getting 3/4" travel at the slave. And I should take up some of the free play prior to engagement at the push rod at the master, but be careful to not adjust too far in either direction. Feel free to advise further if you have something! Regards, Joe --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Frank wrote: > From: Frank > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Master-slave cylinder > To: "Joe Lansing" > Cc: "Spridgets" > Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 9:25 PM > Joe Lansing wrote: > > Can somebody answer my question about master-slave > cylinders without laughing too loudly? > > I have a 62 with a 3/4 bore master cylinder. I put a > Rivergate conversion in with a 3/4 bore slave cylinder. I'm > only getting about 1/2" to 3/4" of travel in the slave. Do I > need to bore my master clutch cyl to 7/8"? > > > > > 3/4 master and 3/4 slave works fine on the Nissan > slave-Rivergate set up. That is what I have. > You tried the slave adjustment, maybe the brake and clutch > master rods were mixed up when it was rebuilt. Happens all > the time. > Although each rod is the same length, they are adjusted > differently. The master rod can be made longer or shorter by > loosening the lock nut and turning the rod. > This may help. Again, too long a master rod will not let > the fluid return thru the bleed back hole, too short and > there is not enough travel to work the slave. > > -- Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From peter at nosimport.com Sun Jan 3 09:44:02 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:44:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: <002F2052982F4F77B45D0CC2CCF6EB7C@blackbox2> References: <429575.67789.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002F2052982F4F77B45D0CC2CCF6EB7C@blackbox2> Message-ID: <201001030844866.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> At 09:41 PM 1/2/2010, Dean Hedin wrote: >Another way you can get a stuck full throttle on a spridget is if >you reposition the gas pedal too far away from the firewall (after >welding in new floors). Because of the way the linkage is you can >get into a situation where the pedal goes >down and sort of snap locks into the down position.. >This can be very scary if you discover this, at say, an Encounter >gymkhana event...for example. ------------------ And yet another way is for the accelerator cable becoming the sole ground strap for the engine. Sheathing melts seizing the cable... as experienced at 100MPH in the Lincoln Tunnel at 2Ayem in a Lotus Elan. Peter C From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 09:45:21 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:45:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: <002F2052982F4F77B45D0CC2CCF6EB7C@blackbox2> References: <429575.67789.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002F2052982F4F77B45D0CC2CCF6EB7C@blackbox2> Message-ID: <402188521001030845v740c4006p69a6a2c2487e4ce9@mail.gmail.com> > Another way you can get a stuck full throttle on a spridget is if you > reposition the gas pedal too far away from the firewall (after welding in > new floors). Because of the way the linkage is you can get into a situation > where the pedal goes down and sort of snap locks into the down position.. > This can be very scary if you discover this, at say, an Encounter gymkhana > event...for example. It is not necessary for the floor to have been replaced, nor for the gas pedal to be re-positioned. All that is necessary is for the rubber socket on the back of the pedal to be old and worn so that the connecting rod can pop out. Yes, it is very "disconcerting" to discover at a competitive driving event ;-) WOT in first or second gear can get away from you quickly. David L From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 3 11:53:04 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:53:04 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration Message-ID: That's what I thought until the same thing happened with a brand new pedal, I bought to replace it! I subsequently switched to the later 1500 throttle pedal which has to be the single best part on the 1500 Midget and a straight swap to any earlier Spridget. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 03/01/2010 18:18:41 GMT Standard Time, 72spridget at gmail.com writes: It is not necessary for the floor to have been replaced, nor for the gas pedal to be re-positioned. All that is necessary is for the rubber socket on the back of the pedal to be old and worn so that the connecting rod can pop out. Yes, it is very "disconcerting" to discover at a competitive driving event ;-) WOT in first or second gear can get away from you quickly. David L From sales at justbrits.com Sun Jan 3 12:10:05 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:10:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: <402188521001030845v740c4006p69a6a2c2487e4ce9@mail.gmail.com> References: <429575.67789.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002F2052982F4F77B45D0CC2CCF6EB7C@blackbox2> <402188521001030845v740c4006p69a6a2c2487e4ce9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B40EB8D.9000502@justbrits.com> << Yes, it is very "disconcerting" to discover at a competitive driving event ;-) WOT in first or second gear can get away from you quickly. >> HeeHee, now just WHY David, do I think there is a REAL story behind THAT statement ?? ?!? From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 12:14:00 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:14:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402188521001031114o7b8d43c5k6f2e564f2d96c0e7@mail.gmail.com> > ... I subsequently switched to the later 1500 throttle > pedal which has to be the single best part on the 1500 Midget and a straight > swap to any earlier Spridget. Same solution I wound up with. I believe Speedwell is talking about manufacturing an aluminum piece to attach to the Sprite linkage with similar results. David L From jfishbein at snet.net Sun Jan 3 12:55:47 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:55:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The "unintended acceleration" thread has been intersting, entertaining, and enlightening. Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their experiences with Unintended Deceleration? I observed an instance of unintended deceleration during the last snowfall in which a young lady in a BMW SUV skidded on an inch of snow and suffered 100% unintended deceleration against a light pole. Actually it coincided with an instance uninstended acceleration of all of her airbags. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Sun, 1/3/10, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration To: 72spridget at gmail.com, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 1:53 PM That's what I thought until the same thing happened with a brand new pedal, I bought to replace it! I subsequently switched to the later 1500 throttle pedal which has to be the single best part on the 1500 Midget and a straight swap to any earlier Spridget. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Jan 3 13:41:08 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:41:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration References: Message-ID: <4F906B616FF04238A8F6DBCF2469EFBE@blackbox2> What's the difference Daniel? My catalogs don't show what the 1500 pedal/linkage looks like. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration > That's what I thought until the same thing happened with a brand new pedal, > I bought to replace it! I subsequently switched to the later 1500 > throttle pedal which has to be the single best part on the 1500 Midget and a > straight swap to any earlier Spridget. > > Regards > > Weslake-Monza 1330 From biffjones at verizon.net Sun Jan 3 13:45:30 2010 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:45:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration References: <402188521001031114o7b8d43c5k6f2e564f2d96c0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The solution I came up with after having the bugeye pedal linkage popping out to many times under hard acceleration was to remove the pedal assembly including the little arm from the stock firewall rod and then installing two 1 1/2" diameter by 3/4" thick plastic wheels. I ran a small bolt through the first wheel then through the stock hole on the arm through the other wheel and secured it with a nylock nut. On the outside of the wheels and between the wheels and the rod I have a few washers so everything can be snugged up yet still have the wheels rotate. The plastic wheels were made from an old plastic cutting board. This also buys you about another inch in legroom to the go pedal. My fix has worked for years ...... YMMV Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite in the "Healey Book" http://sprites2.homestead.com/ [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Jan 3 14:15:50 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:15:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: Unintended deceleration In-Reply-To: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <851535.20483.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Feb 1977 Minnesota. Ice covered roads, -50F, early morning, going to work. Jeep Cherokee, L-6, manually locked hubs, Straight road, steady throttle, 'safe' speed (!) Side wind gust hits vehicle. Vehicle slides off the road Utility pole helps decelerate vehicle to 0mph Seat belt latch lets go! No air-bags in those days. Break-away rear-view mirror breaks away after head strikes it. Medics dig glass out of eyes and forehead for the next few weeks! Got my picture in the Minneapolis newspaper! Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Fishbein Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their experiences with Unintended Deceleration? From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Sun Jan 3 14:25:23 2010 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:25:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration In-Reply-To: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does having a loose distributor pop out count? Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jay Fishbein Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:56 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration The "unintended acceleration" thread has been intersting, entertaining, and enlightening. Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their experiences with Unintended Deceleration? I observed an instance of unintended deceleration during the last snowfall in which a young lady in a BMW SUV skidded on an inch of snow and suffered 100% unintended deceleration against a light pole. Actually it coincided with an instance uninstended acceleration of all of her airbags. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Sun, 1/3/10, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration To: 72spridget at gmail.com, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 1:53 PM That's what I thought until the same thing happened with a brand new pedal, I bought to replace it! I subsequently switched to the later 1500 throttle pedal which has to be the single best part on the 1500 Midget and a straight swap to any earlier Spridget. From biffjones at verizon.net Sun Jan 3 14:40:05 2010 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:40:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration References: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay Jay, Way back when (1962) going to work one morning I had the throttle cable on my TR3A break and the throttle return springs did their thing. Nothing really exciting except I just had downshifted into third in anticipation of hitting the apex of a ninety degree right hander and when I hit the gas nothing! Usually I would hit the gas and drift through the turn in a glorious power drift, straighten up and shift to fourth. However, that morning with no power assist the car did "drift" but uncontrollable and after doing a 180 my left rear wheel hit the shoulder on the right side of the road and over I went. I did a 1 1/2 right hand role and ended upside down with the front still on the pavement and the rear on a small incline off the road. I had my 5 point harness on and was aided by a small ditch between the shoulder and the small incline where luckily my head ended up. No injuries to me but the car was declared a total loss. Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite in the "Healey Book" http://sprites2.homestead.com/ [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 3 15:12:54 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:12:54 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration Message-ID: Page 48 of 'The MG Midget and A-H Sprite High-Performance manual' has a picture of the two pedals side by side. Photo in your e-mail but not the lists! It's also possible to cut and shut the 1500 pedal so you have 'heel and toe' gearchange though I find it's more middle of the foot and toe. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 03/01/2010 20:49:36 GMT Standard Time, dlh2001 at comcast.net writes: What's the difference Daniel? My catalogs don't show what the 1500 pedal/linkage looks like. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of RS 2-37.jpg] From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 15:17:21 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:17:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration In-Reply-To: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <114295.75214.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Jay Fishbein wrote: > Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their > experiences with > Unintended Deceleration? Carousel, Road America, passing fellow Bugeye driver and friend Grant Gongoll on the outside, throttle snapped just as I passed him. I wagged the tail maybe 100 degrees at maybe 90 MPH, far enough for me to see him indicate with his middle finger that he was number 1. Ron From lbc at littlebitcountry.com Sun Jan 3 15:43:52 2010 From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Winter has set in Message-ID: <201001032244.o03Mi4Kb014871@mail.usimperio.com> You can tell winter has set in......... Good Grief !!! Buy a British car you can drive year round and then have something to chat about. I've had the morris van out every day even in the slush and crap. Wore off the letters on my delete key. At 02:55 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: >The "unintended acceleration" thread has been intersting, entertaining, and >enlightening. > >Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their experiences with >Unintended Deceleration? > >I observed an instance of unintended deceleration during the last snowfall in >which a young lady in a BMW SUV skidded on an inch of snow and suffered 100% >unintended deceleration against a light pole. Actually it coincided with an >instance uninstended acceleration of all of her airbags. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Jan 3 17:52:16 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:52:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration In-Reply-To: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B413BC0.4080601@comcast.net> Jay Fishbein wrote: > > Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their experiences with > Unintended Deceleration? > > Sort of both unintended acceleration which was the cause of the *intended* deceleration. Ironically a Toyota Land Cruiser, the old ones, going up hill the engine slid back and caused the throttle to stick, My buddy who was the owner/driver would aim the beast at a pole or tree and ram it. The engine would slide back where it belongs and the throttle would settle back to idle. He knows what the FJ stands for on those things. ;) This was back in 73, looks like some things never change. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From peter at nosimport.com Sun Jan 3 18:35:39 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:35:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Winter has set in In-Reply-To: <201001032244.o03Mi4Kb014871@mail.usimperio.com> References: <201001032244.o03Mi4Kb014871@mail.usimperio.com> Message-ID: <201001031735842.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> 10 Below 0 F.. 1/2" salt on the road I can see. The rest is ice. Typing, not driving, but smiling nontheless. Peter C == At 04:43 PM 1/3/2010, Dave Yealy wrote: >You can tell winter has set in......... Good Grief !!! >Buy a British car you can drive year round and then have something >to chat about. I've had the morris van out every day even in the >slush and crap. > >Wore off the letters on my delete key. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 3 18:48:25 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration In-Reply-To: <114295.75214.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <114295.75214.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39C4FAC87BC94FBEB5E9E9CC66860045@HomePC> Between turns 2 and 3 at Brainerd, MN. The throttle cable was routed over the top of vertical cylinders. This was my second driver's school. Nothing remarkable happened at my first driver's school at Blackhawk. Evidently, the long period of WOT down the front straight and through turns one and two at Brainerd produced enough heat to melt the sheathing on the cable. Coming into turn three, a tight 90 degree right, at around 130 to 135 MPH and the brakes could barely overcome the stuck throttle. Fortunately, the throttle wasn't completely stuck, but slowly returned. Made it through the turn and back to our paddock where I had a chance to change my pants. Had this happened during the race (my first) that came after the school when I was able to go deeper into the corner, I would have been toast. I wasn't smart enough to take this as an omen and quit this foolishness. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Soave" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:17 PM To: ; "Jay Fishbein" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Jay Fishbein wrote: > Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their > experiences with > Unintended Deceleration? Carousel, Road America, passing fellow Bugeye driver and friend Grant Gongoll on the outside, throttle snapped just as I passed him. I wagged the tail maybe 100 degrees at maybe 90 MPH, far enough for me to see him indicate with his middle finger that he was number 1. Ron From cclabaw at juno.com Sun Jan 3 18:47:21 2010 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:47:21 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended Acceleration Message-ID: <20100103.174721.26045.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Listers - My experience was with a '53 Jag Mk 7M. Like all early Jags, it was designed as RHD then converted to LHD (WHD?). The throttle linkage (ball and spring-loaded socket) had to snake over the engine from the left-side pedal to the right-side carbs. When the linkage got worn, the ball would slip out of the socket, at which point a spring (intended to take up all the slack in the links) would push the last rod to WOT. I quickly learned the "dash-dive" to the key and how to reattach the links in the dark, on snowy, freezing Seattle nights. Life was cheap in those days. Clay L. '67 Sprite ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=H6GWpVSfpc6Hp9NhruXZwwAAJ1BXoFC g_GoYpsOBXA-_r2I8AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 21:07:14 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:07:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration In-Reply-To: References: <402188521001031114o7b8d43c5k6f2e564f2d96c0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188521001032007j5d250cc6y7be32c27c784bd36@mail.gmail.com> > The solution I came up with after having the bugeye pedal linkage popping > out to many times under hard acceleration was to remove the pedal assembly > including the little arm from the stock firewall rod and then installing two > 1 1/2" diameter by 3/4" thick plastic wheels.... Hmmm, shades of the early VW Beetles ;-) I wonder how they would feel with bare feet? One way to find out! David L From pilotrob at webtv.net Mon Jan 4 02:29:53 2010 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:29:53 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Groovy engine Message-ID: Assuming one began from an original recommended ignition setting further BTDC to an ignition setting closer to TDC, the result would be reduced "timing" rather than increased "timing" and torque would suffer in the process, ALL ELSE BEING PERFECTLY EQUAL. Fr'instance....a normal static setting for a street-stock 1275 would be 7 degrees BTDC with most stock mfg's combo vac/mech dizzy. Reducing this to 3 degrees BTDC to bring it closer to TDC would be "retarding" timing from that recommended as optimum by the manufacturer using recommended octane, thus reducing torque on acceleration. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) -----Original Message----- From: Hal Faulkner Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:17 AM To: Ron Soave Cc: Spridget Chat Group Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Groovy engine I like the fact that: "Eliminating ping (also called "knock" or detonation) allows for an advance setting that is much closer to top dead center (TDC) to get more power from each stroke of the Piston. This quality of a Grooved engine also allows a higher compression ratio with the use of regular octane fuel, thus adding more irovements (*sic*) to the quality of combustion and preventing knock, or worse, 'pre-ignition'...." Makes perfect sense to me. Hal On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > He does have a patent (which doesn't mean it works): > > http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=HscHAAAAEBAJ&dq=Somender+Singh > > On the surface (pun intended) it seems like too many sharp edges for > hotspots/pinging, but I've been wrong before. > > Ron > > --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Michael Rowe wrote: > > From: Michael Rowe > Subject: [Spridgets] Groovy engine > To: "Spridget Chat Group" > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 6:59 PM > > This has several earmarks of a scam. Any thoughts? > > http://www.mgccars.com/groove_101.htm > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets You are subscribed as pilotrob at webtv.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pilotrob at webtv.net Mon Jan 4 02:36:17 2010 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:36:17 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 31, Issue 64 Message-ID: Modern electronics.....at the expense of the KISS priniciple/philosphy. The bane of Airbus as well in many "events". Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From fastvee at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 06:12:28 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 05:12:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Groovy engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11427.78354.qm@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Cap'n Bob, His wording made me scratch my head also. Is it possible the advance setting he refers to is total advance? That could make sense because improving combustion efficiency requires less total advance, and it could be closer to TDC by 4-6 degrees. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Robert E. Shlafer wrote: From: Robert E. Shlafer Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Groovy engine To: "Hal Faulkner" , "Ron Soave" Cc: "Spridget Chat Group" Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 4:29 AM Assuming one began from an original recommended ignition setting further BTDC to an ignition setting closer to TDC, the result would be reduced "timing" rather than increased "timing" and torque would suffer in the process, ALL ELSE BEING PERFECTLY EQUAL. Fr'instance....a normal static setting for a street-stock 1275 would be 7 degrees BTDC with most stock mfg's combo vac/mech dizzy. Reducing this to 3 degrees BTDC to bring it closer to TDC would be "retarding" timing from that recommended as optimum by the manufacturer using recommended octane, thus reducing torque on acceleration. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) -----Original Message----- From: Hal Faulkner Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:17 AM To: Ron Soave Cc: Spridget Chat Group Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Groovy engine I like the fact that: "Eliminating ping (also called "knock" or detonation) allows for an advance setting that is much closer to top dead center (TDC) to get more power from each stroke of the Piston. This quality of a Grooved engine also allows a higher compression ratio with the use of regular octane fuel, thus adding more irovements (*sic*) to the quality of combustion and preventing knock, or worse, 'pre-ignition'...." Makes perfect sense to me. Hal From redscirocco at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 06:34:41 2010 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:34:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 32, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shades of earlier MGs, too. That pretty much describes the "pedal" on my 1954 MG TF. I've always thought it was a brilliant design - no floppy pedal just a wheel. My project Midget is missing the accelerator pedal - maybe I'll just leave it that way and install a Biff Jones wheel. -Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:07:14 -0600 > From: David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Unintended acceleration > To: Spridgets > Message-ID: > <402188521001032007j5d250cc6y7be32c27c784bd36 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > The solution I came up with after having the bugeye pedal linkage popping > > out to many times under hard acceleration was to remove the pedal assembly > > including the little arm from the stock firewall rod and then installing two > > 1 1/2" diameter by 3/4" thick plastic wheels.... > > Hmmm, shades of the early VW Beetles ;-) I wonder how they would feel > with bare feet? One way to find out! > David L > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 07:13:11 2010 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:13:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration In-Reply-To: <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: , <457730.70861.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another racing related one, Back in the fall of 1982, at 17,I was doing some Solo 2 evengts with my Dad in his, now my Bugeye. I had been improving over the previous year and a half.Though my Dad was always quicker, I had been closing the gap.At the last event of the year, at a course set up on a 1/2 mile paved oval in Upstate NY,I was finally getting REAL close, only a couple tenths off his time.Last run of the day and year,I really nailed the run, I KNEW I was going to finally beat him!Coming out of the last set of cones, hard on the gas, 100 yards to go....YES I'm going to do it!! redline in second, lighting fast shift to third, ooo baby,Then burrrrrrrmmm, WHAT? look at dash, tach's at 0, it died, heart sinks,step on the clutch and coast through the finish. Tried to restart it, wouldn't refire. Major disapointment. Found out the time was .5 sec slower that my Dad's. I would have beaten him!Opened the bonnet, and peered around to find out why. Soon discovered the coil wire had come off. Oh well..That winter my Dad decided to start restoring the car,Wonder why???????Loved being able to do it with him, learned alot autocrossing.Gonna have to get my son out to a few. I wish they would do them on Saturday's instead of Sundays around here. Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:55:47 -0800 > From: jfishbein at snet.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended deceleration > > The "unintended acceleration" thread has been intersting, entertaining, and > enlightening. > > Does anyone have stories they would like to share on their experiences with > Unintended Deceleration? > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Jan 4 09:28:53 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:28:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Master/Slave Math Message-ID: <87d2rg$7p1sj4@email.mtu.edu> Questions seem to come up fairly regularly about using one size master cylinder with another size slave cylinder on a clutch or brake system. Here's some math to help determine what will happen. Three master cylinder diameters are given in the first column - 5/8", 3/4" and 7/8". Column 2 gives 3 slave sizes for each master size. (all measured in inches) Column 3 shows what happens to the slave when the master is moved 1/4". For example when the 3/4" MASTER moves 1/4", a 5/8" slave will move 0.360". The slave moves more because the larger diameter master is pushing fluid into a smaller diameter slave. The size of the clutch line or brake line makes no difference in the distance the slave moves. Important parameters are the diameters of the Master and Slave. The equations used are the area of the MASTER Cylinder times the stroke distance = the area of SLAVE Cylinder times the stroke. You can calculate the areas because you know both the MASTER and SLAVE diameters. You assume a stroke for the MASTER and calculate the stoke for the slave. ((@PI*(master diameter^2)/4)*master stroke)/(@PI*(slave diameter^2)/4) = slave stroke. However, since @Pi (3.14159) and the number 4 show up on the top and bottom of the equation, you can cancel them and simplify the equation to; Master diameter squared * master stroke divided by slave diameter squared = slave stroke. Just keep your units consistent (don't mix English and metric units) and you'll be OK. Master Slave 1/4 stroke-slave moves 0.6250.6250.25 0.7500.174 0.8750.128 0.7500.6250.360 (example) 0.7500.250 0.8750.184 0.8750.6250.490 <---- ~2 times 0.7500.340 0.8750.250 This math pertains purely to a hydraulic system with no leaks or soft hoses. The rest of the system, pedals, linkages, soft hoses etc can/will effect the calculation of the distance the slave moves. The assumed 1/4" movement of the MASTER cylinder is measured AT the master cylinder and no someplace else in the system. Same for the SLAVE - measured at the slave. Notice how using a 7/8" dia MASTER will move a 5/8" slave about 2 times further than the master moves. Now my head hurts. . . LOL Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From froggi60 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 11:28:23 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:28:23 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)....READ IT......m In-Reply-To: <455122.47107.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <455122.47107.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001041028x1ef1dc97x8a3677fdc322a3c9@mail.gmail.com> I felt this needed to be passed along. If you are skeptical (as I was), check out the FDA link at the bottom. Herb (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) I want my friends and loved ones to know what has happened to me in hopes that it will never happen to you or anybody you care about. About 10 days ago, I felt a cold coming on; so before I went to bed I used Zicam Cold Remedy Nasal Gel. It's supposed to help you "get over your cold faster." Immediately after I sprayed it into each nostril I felt the most horrific burning sensation imaginable. It literally felt like I had sprayed pepper spray directly into my brain. It burned all the way to the top of my skull. My nasal passages swelled, my eyes watered - the burning lasted all night long into the next day. * * After about a day, I realized I couldn't taste anything and I thought, "Wow - I must really have a bad cold.." Then I noticed that I couldn't smell coffee brewing, couldn't smell my perfume when I put it on, couldn't smell the popcorn I burned, couldn't smell my favorite candle. I panicked and starting smelling everything that I could find that had really strong odors - ammonia, finger nail polish remover, bleach, etc. I couldn't smell ANYTHING! I started tasting everything that had really strong tastes such as HOT salsa, raw red onions, Doritos, coffee. I couldn't taste ANYTHING! * * I told my mother about this and she said, "Oh, I've heard Zicam can affect your Olfactory nerve." I went online, typed in "Zicam side effects" and bam - up popped all sorts of web sites with people reporting the same thing I experienced. It seems that this past June, Zicam pulled the swabs for adults and children off the shelf but not the nasal gel. * * I went to my ENT and he said the Zicam had basically "FRIED" my Olfactory nerve and the results are most likely permanent. He put me on a strong dose of a steroid called Prednisone in hopes of recovering ANY bit of the nerve damage but he told me to "take this and pray." He said he had read about the side effects of Zicam and couldn't believe it is still on the shelf. It isn't FDA approved. I am taking the Prednisone and praying but nothing is happening. I LITERALLY CANNOT SMELL OR TASTE ANYTHING! I can tell if foods are hot or cold, I can tell the consistency and I can faintly detect if it is salty but that is it. * * PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE pass this on to everyone you care about. I don't want this to happen to ANYONE else!!!!!!!!!! And if you have Zicam in your medicine cabinet--THROW IT AWAY! * * Please share with everyone you can. Check it out on the link below. http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm167065.htm = From John.Deikis at va.gov Mon Jan 4 11:47:29 2010 From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Tinkerbell Message-ID: Definitely WNIK's car! When did it get to England? E18,500 seems pretty steep, even for a car as nice as his. Last I heard, he had taken up sailing. He (and his harem) were quite a colorful crew at vintage races. I've missed seeing him at the track. JohnD --------- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 08:07:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Soave Subject: [Spridgets] Tinkerbell To: Spridgets , team-thicko at autox.team.net Message-ID: <521766.58373.qm at web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Apologies to Bring a Trailer subscribers, but came across Bob "WNI" Kansa's old Bugeye: http://classiccarhunter.com/2008/08/club-racer-1960-austin-healey-sprite / Bob, are you still out there? Ron From froggi60 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 12:05:37 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:05:37 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Great link Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001041105w2091b90dh41d2f1cedb662c79@mail.gmail.com> One to bookmark... http://www.britishcarweek.org/club_links.html -- From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Jan 4 12:16:57 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:16:57 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Master/Slave Math Message-ID: <87d2rg$7p310o@email.mtu.edu> Lost the format of the columns during the first send. Trying another approach. Master Slave 1/4 stroke-slave moves 0.625..............0.625.....................0.25 ......................0.750.....................0.174 ......................0.875.....................0.128 0.750..............0.625.....................0.360 (example) ......................0.750.....................0.250 ......................0.875.....................0.184 0.875.............0.625......................0.490 <---- ~2 times .....................0.750......................0.340 .....................0.875......................0.250 Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From billmasq at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 16:16:08 2010 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:16:08 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 31, Issue 64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't slam Airbus too hard, the 777 & 787 have followed their lead! BillM > From: pilotrob at webtv.net > To: breton48 at live.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:36:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 31, Issue 64 > > Modern electronics.....at the expense of the KISS priniciple/philosphy. The bane of Airbus as well in many "events". > > Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From conen at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 4 16:48:12 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:48:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Zicam (NO LBC) Message-ID: <904475.58215.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've been using the Zicam nasal gel for a few years and am very happy with it -when used as directed-. It does seem to work, for me. If you get it too far up your nose, or 'snort' or 'sniff' hard while it is still in place (you're supposed to leave it in for 15-30 seconds then blow it out) you -will- feel a burning sensation in the sinuses, but I never had a problem with loss of smell or taste and the burning subsided fairly quickly. I will gladly use the nasal gel again if it's available. With that said, this winter I could not find the gel and bought the "Oral Mist". That stuff I really hated! Tasted terrible and after using it a few days everything tasted bad or had no taste; BUT, it was temporary and taste and smell were back to normal a few days after I quit using the Zicam "Oral Mist". I would gladly use the nasal gel again, but not the oral mist. Ed in NC From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Jan 4 18:24:40 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:24:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Great link In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b11001041105w2091b90dh41d2f1cedb662c79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is this a replacement for SOL? From froggi60 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:00:58 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:00:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Zicam (NO LBC) In-Reply-To: <904475.58215.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <904475.58215.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001041800n3affe2fbmc2a9f342ce45604f@mail.gmail.com> Ed, Thanks for your personal experiences with Zicam. You confirmed what the warning was about; "...everything tasted bad or had no taste...". Interesting the way each affected you. Glad your taste came back. Unfortunately, sounds like it didn't for some others. Herb On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edmund Conen wrote: > I've been using the Zicam nasal gel for a few years and am very happy with > it -when used as directed-. It does seem to work, for me. > > If you get it too far up your nose, or 'snort' or 'sniff' hard while it is > still in place (you're supposed to leave it in for 15-30 seconds then blow > it out) you -will- feel a burning sensation in the sinuses, but I never had > a problem with loss of smell or taste and the burning subsided fairly > quickly. > > I will gladly use the nasal gel again if it's available. > > With that said, this winter I could not find the gel and bought the "Oral > Mist". That stuff I really hated! Tasted terrible and after using it a few > days everything tasted bad or had no taste; BUT, it was temporary and taste > and smell were back to normal a few days after I quit using the Zicam "Oral > Mist". > > I would gladly use the nasal gel again, but not the oral mist. > > Ed in NC From pilotrob at msn.com Mon Jan 4 19:11:02 2010 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:11:02 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)....READ IT......m Message-ID: I assume you are a doctor, Rick. :) Another product that I've noticed that has also been removed from the market (replaced, actually) is Vicks extra fine/strong Sinex nasal spray in the blue/green/white plastic squeeze bottle which has been replaced by the same container but with a red slash ("24 hour") extra fine/strong spray. The early product while very effective had one hell of a "rebound". I found myself using the product long after a cold had gone and thankfully realized what was going on as the nasal stuffiness continued long after the cold had gone. After about 4 days of discontinuing the product, the nasal stuffiness (swelling) disappeared altogether and all was back to normal. Going back to Neo-Synepherine when/if required in future. :) CB -----Original Message----- From: Mowog1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 8:59 PM To: froggi60 at gmail.com, Polysci_101 at justbrits.com, spridgets at autox.team.net, 9issa at justbrits.com, tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)....READ IT......m This was publicized about a month ago....and yes, it is true. I have NEVER been a fan of Zicam and have NEVER recommended it to my patients. To me, it is snake oil. rick From conen at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 4 19:17:20 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:17:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Zicam (NO LBC) In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b11001041800n3affe2fbmc2a9f342ce45604f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648181.46201.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I should have mentioned that the bad effects only happened to me when using the oral mist. -No- problems with the nasal gel at all. And, the taste/smell never went -completely- away, but was definitely affected, but -only- when using the oral mist. Medicines affect everyone differently. -One- of the reasons for all the warnings. ;-) And that's why they always say to "discontinue use immediately" if any of "these symptoms" appear. :-) Some people don't pay attention. ;-) Ed in NC --- On Mon, 1/4/10, WFO Herb wrote: > Ed, > Thanks for your personal experiences with Zicam. > You confirmed what the warning was about; > "...everything tasted bad or had no taste...". > Interesting the way each affected you. > > Glad your taste came back. Unfortunately, > sounds like it didn't for some others. > Herb From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Jan 4 19:40:46 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:40:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Master/Slave Math References: <87d2rg$7p310o@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <5A0A5D79F7B74B0C8D64425D3D2618B1@blackbox2> Knowing the amount of stroke is worthwhile. But someone reading you data might thing that longer stroke is better, and that is not the case. Stroke is not so much the important thing. The distance the throwout lever moves between an engaged and released clutch is very small. The important thing to know is that having a slave bore that is greater than the master bore will mean reduced pedal effort. In this view then all you have to do is consider the area of the pistons only. Because a 7/8 bore slave has about 40% more area than a 3/4 master bore then it will reduce the pedal effort by this much. So I think the general rule of thumb should be... You should go with the largest bore slave that you can get away with, such that you are able to maintain adequate free play. By adequate freeplay I mean that when the pedal is released the slave retracts such that there is no undue pressure against the throwout bearing. I think the Rivergate instructions define this as 1/4" free movement at the throwout lever before it touches the clutch, but this is from my memory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Collins" > Lost the format of the columns during the first send. Trying another approach. > > Master Slave 1/4 stroke-slave moves > 0.625..............0.625.....................0.25 > ......................0.750.....................0.174 > ......................0.875.....................0.128 > 0.750..............0.625.....................0.360 (example) > ......................0.750.....................0.250 > ......................0.875.....................0.184 > 0.875.............0.625......................0.490 <---- ~2 times > .....................0.750......................0.340 > .....................0.875......................0.250 From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 19:45:56 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:45:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] 50th sticker Message-ID: <41819.42529.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just ordered a handful of these - http://www.cafepress.com/Spridget.287622573 Ron From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:58:40 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:58:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)....READ IT......m In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Afrin had the same effect on me. My sinuses seemed to become "hooked" on it, and if I stopped using it, even after the cold was gone, my sinuses would stuff up again, until the residual wore off. I rarely use it now, only in extreme instances, as I am aware of the "weaning off" afterward. Brad On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Robert E. Shlafer wrote: > I assume you are a doctor, Rick. :) > > Another product that I've noticed that has also been removed from the market (replaced, actually) is Vicks extra fine/strong Sinex nasal spray in the blue/green/white plastic squeeze bottle which has been replaced by the same container but with a red slash ("24 hour") extra fine/strong spray. > > The early product while very effective had one hell of a "rebound". I found myself using the product long after a cold had gone and thankfully realized what was going on as the nasal stuffiness continued long after the cold had gone. > > After about 4 days of discontinuing the product, the nasal stuffiness (swelling) disappeared altogether and all was back to normal. > > Going back to Neo-Synepherine when/if required in future. :) > > CB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mowog1 at aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 8:59 PM > To: froggi60 at gmail.com, Polysci_101 at justbrits.com, spridgets at autox.team.net, 9issa at justbrits.com, tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu > Subject: [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)....READ IT......m > > This was publicized about a month ago....and yes, it is true. > > I have NEVER been a fan of Zicam and have NEVER recommended it to my > patients. To me, it is snake oil. > > rick > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From jfishbein at snet.net Mon Jan 4 20:32:59 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:32:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended Zicam (NO LBC) In-Reply-To: <648181.46201.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <844645.96993.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have had good luck with the Zicam gel shots. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Edmund Conen wrote: -No- problems with the nasal gel at all. From sales at justbrits.com Mon Jan 4 20:35:50 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:35:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 50th sticker In-Reply-To: <41819.42529.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <41819.42529.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B42B396.1060102@justbrits.com> << I just ordered a handful of these - http://www.cafepress.com/Spridget.287622573 >> er, why Ron ?? Is there gonna be another with Event INFO ?? From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 20:57:53 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:57:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Midgiata - quite a story Message-ID: <381958.48292.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those of you from way back on the list will remember contributor Tom Speed, a fountain of Spridget knowledge, particularly of racing Spridgets. Tom was an exceptional guy who was left paralyzed in a motorcycle accident while riding to the SCCA Runoffs. I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember that his son Will was on the back of the bike but was unhurt in the accident. In an incredible story, from his wheelchair Tom led Will (15 years old back then) through a ground-up build of his own SCCA Spridget. Tom passed away a few years ago, and Will tragically, unbelievably, had a motorcycle accident and is now paralyzed from the waist down. Apparently Will inherited his father's grit, and is building a Spridget with a Miata drivetrain. I'll be following this - you might want to as well: http://midgiata.webs.com/apps/blog/ Ron From dwgwater at hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 20:58:41 2010 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:58:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] For the aviators Message-ID: http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2010/01/finally_the_internet_is_ worthw.php _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 04:30:09 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 03:30:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs Message-ID: <4333f8141001050330g19fa10dbr789c98708c87fed1@mail.gmail.com> Not for Jay or others of his sort! :) ebay 140371560043 or: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Austin-Healey-sprite-1959-modifie-hot-rod_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20aecc066bQQitemZ140371560043QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f210 Hal From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 04:33:47 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 03:33:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Windsor roller rockers on ebay Message-ID: <4333f8141001050333k395ad288r2b1524850fa7fb3a@mail.gmail.com> These might be of interest to some of us: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ROLLER-ROCKERS-Austin-Healey-Sprite-MG-Midget-1275-Mini_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3efba8bd2eQQitemZ270510112046QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories or, for those who prefer: item 270510112046 Hal From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 04:43:03 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:43:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After the Afrin proved to be problematic, I started using the NeilMed Sinus Rinse, and though it isn't as effective as Afrin, it is much safer. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 1/4/2010 8:58:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, > tequila.brad at gmail.com writes: > > Afrin had the same effect on me. My sinuses seemed to become "hooked" > on it, and if I stopped using it, even after the cold was gone, my > sinuses would stuff up again, until the residual wore off. I rarely > use it now, only in extreme instances, as I am aware of the "weaning > off" afterward. > > > That's called "rebound congestion"...and is exactly how one becomes > "addicted" to Afrin. I council patients to use it only for three days, and > if possible at bedtime only (to provide some sleep). (I use Afrin > personally, but ONLY at bedtime) > > Most folks find that if they use it continually, it will work for 10-12 > hours for a couple of days....then 8-10 hours for a couple of days....then > 6-8 hours....you see the pattern. I have one patient who keeps a bottle in > his pants pocket 24/7/365....and has done so since the early 80's. > > I recommend saline nasal sprays (ie - Ocean) during the day; Sudafed if you > can take it (it may raise blood pressure and heart rate, so be careful). > > rick -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From pilotrob at msn.com Tue Jan 5 05:14:14 2010 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:14:14 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)... Message-ID: Excellent product and most especially in high pollen count times IMHO. CB -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fornal Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2010 6:43 AM To: Mowog1 at aol.com Cc: pilotrob at msn.com, froggi60 at gmail.com, spridgets at autox.team.net, tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)... After the Afrin proved to be problematic, I started using the NeilMed Sinus Rinse, and though it isn't as effective as Afrin, it is much safer. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 1/4/2010 8:58:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, > tequila.brad at gmail.com writes: > > Afrin had the same effect on me. My sinuses seemed to become "hooked" > on it, and if I stopped using it, even after the cold was gone, my > sinuses would stuff up again, until the residual wore off. I rarely > use it now, only in extreme instances, as I am aware of the "weaning > off" afterward. > > > That's called "rebound congestion"...and is exactly how one becomes > "addicted" to Afrin. I council patients to use it only for three days, and > if possible at bedtime only (to provide some sleep). (I use Afrin > personally, but ONLY at bedtime) > > Most folks find that if they use it continually, it will work for 10-12 > hours for a couple of days....then 8-10 hours for a couple of days....then > 6-8 hours....you see the pattern. I have one patient who keeps a bottle in > his pants pocket 24/7/365....and has done so since the early 80's. > > I recommend saline nasal sprays (ie - Ocean) during the day; Sudafed if you > can take it (it may raise blood pressure and heart rate, so be careful). > > rick -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From fastvee at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 05:45:26 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 04:45:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Midgiata - quite a story In-Reply-To: <381958.48292.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442510.63864.qm@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will has been asking some questions over on the production car racing forum. Now I understand why he is using an automatic trans in his build. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Ron Soave wrote: From: Ron Soave Subject: [Spridgets] Midgiata - quite a story To: "Spridgets" Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 10:57 PM Those of you from way back on the list will remember contributor Tom Speed, a fountain of Spridget knowledge, particularly of racing Spridgets. Tom was an exceptional guy who was left paralyzed in a motorcycle accident while riding to the SCCA Runoffs. I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember that his son Will was on the back of the bike but was unhurt in the accident. In an incredible story, from his wheelchair Tom led Will (15 years old back then) through a ground-up build of his own SCCA Spridget. Tom passed away a few years ago, and Will tragically, unbelievably, had a motorcycle accident and is now paralyzed from the waist down. Apparently Will inherited his father's grit, and is building a Spridget with a Miata drivetrain. I'll be following this - you might want to as well: http://midgiata.webs.com/apps/blog/ Ron Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jackson.skip at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 05:47:17 2010 From: jackson.skip at yahoo.com (Skip Jackson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 04:47:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs Message-ID: <504268.73002.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Who makes these replica kits and what frame do they use? Is there an over and under of what he could get for this "BE"? Skip J. From soavero at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 05:53:05 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 04:53:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001050330g19fa10dbr789c98708c87fed1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498282.74033.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Hal Faulkner wrote: > Not for Jay or others of his > sort! :) > > ebay 140371560043 You mean hominids? Ewww. Ron From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 07:31:32 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:31:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended Zicam (NO LBC) In-Reply-To: <844645.96993.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <648181.46201.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <844645.96993.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001050631j5b2ade65h4e21ef30bc8aab59@mail.gmail.com> > I have had good luck with the Zicam gel shots. As opposed to vodka jello shots? David L From abcoz at hky.com Tue Jan 5 07:41:44 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C Message-ID: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> Peter, I'm going to be buying another of your most favorite cars: A VW Passat. I know the Passats have had some, ahhh....."issues". Due to my doubts about this so-called economic recovery having the legs to sustain itself, I've decided not to buy a new one. I'll probably look for an 02 through 06 model (or wherever the cut-off from 1.8T to 2.0T lies), non-AWD, 1.8T automatic. I'd really rather get a series 4 Jetta w/2.0, non-turbo, gas engine but my wife is really upset about the "death" of her beloved '99 Passat, yesterday. What can I say? I'm putty in her hands ;) If someone were to hold a gun to your head and tell you that you MUST buy a Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose (and you're not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? Thanks, Peter. Bud Osbourne From peter at nosimport.com Tue Jan 5 08:36:31 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:36:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001050330g19fa10dbr789c98708c87fed1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4333f8141001050330g19fa10dbr789c98708c87fed1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001050736247.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> At 05:30 AM 1/5/2010, Hal Faulkner wrote: >Not for Jay or others of his sort! :) > >ebay 140371560043 ======================= A Bugeye well executed -or- A Bugeye, well, executed. From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 5 08:50:30 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:50:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: .44 (sorry) Consider putting on a skid plate to protect the oil sump. A friend was driving his over a bridge in Portland, Oregon, hit a large piece of ice and poked a hole in the oil pan. Had to keep going and ...ruined the engine. ...bill in oregon ================================================ -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:42 AM To: 'Spridget Chat Group' Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C Peter, I'm going to be buying another of your most favorite cars: A VW Passat. I know the Passats have had some, ahhh....."issues". Due to my doubts about this so-called economic recovery having the legs to sustain itself, I've decided not to buy a new one. I'll probably look for an 02 through 06 model (or wherever the cut-off from 1.8T to 2.0T lies), non-AWD, 1.8T automatic. I'd really rather get a series 4 Jetta w/2.0, non-turbo, gas engine but my wife is really upset about the "death" of her beloved '99 Passat, yesterday. What can I say? I'm putty in her hands ;) If someone were to hold a gun to your head and tell you that you MUST buy a Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose (and you're not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? Thanks, Peter. Bud Osbourne From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 09:27:50 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:27:50 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4333f8141001050827y1f725af7ma00a093d15d3791a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Bud Osbourne wrote: > I'm putty in her hands ;) > Bud, They have pills for that! :) Hal From jfishbein at snet.net Tue Jan 5 09:41:39 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <201001050736247.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <905642.5347.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Why bother with that when you can do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Peter Caldwell wrote: From: Peter Caldwell Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs To: "Spridgets" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 10:36 AM At 05:30 AM 1/5/2010, Hal Faulkner wrote: >Not for Jay or others of his sort! :) > >ebay 140371560043 From peter at nosimport.com Tue Jan 5 09:59:13 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:59:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <201001050859106.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Bud, I wanted to ask a few local mechanics before I responded..... they all said take the bullet! No, really, the newer-than-02's FWD 4-cylinder models are MUCH improved over the earlier ones. You know the problems with the early ones. They've gotten better. Apparently the ECU is no longer stored under water. The brakes seem to work now. The spindly dozen or so control arms though fragile, are inexpensive. The engine management system involves more coils, but they seem to last more than 30K this time. I recommend first that you take the "Passat" emblem from the dead one, and glue it on a Toyota, but, failing that, get the model you like. The 1.8T Auto is a good choice. I also recommend heated seats... works great for bringing pizza home:-) Peter == At 08:41 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote: >Peter, >I'm going to be buying another of your most favorite cars: A VW Passat. I >know the Passats have had some, ahhh....."issues". Due to my doubts about >this so-called economic recovery having the legs to sustain itself, I've >decided not to buy a new one. I'll probably look for an 02 through 06 model >(or wherever the cut-off from 1.8T to 2.0T lies), non-AWD, 1.8T automatic. >I'd really rather get a series 4 Jetta w/2.0, non-turbo, gas engine but my >wife is really upset about the "death" of her beloved '99 Passat, yesterday. >What can I say? I'm putty in her hands ;) >If someone were to hold a gun to your head and tell you that you MUST buy a >Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose (and you're >not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? >Thanks, Peter. >Bud Osbourne From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 10:08:44 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:08:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums Message-ID: I gotta say, forums are the best thing EVER!! I know Frank loves to trash on Harbor Freight over their cheap ass products. But Frank, there IS an answer... I purchased a Harbor Freight receiver hitch bike rack from those buggers early last year. My wife and I were taking our road bikes to other places to ride fairly often. I made the mistake of leaving it mounted on the Pathfinder, and as Frank knows, the rubber mounting bits on the rack started rotting, and the velcro straps on it started to crack the rubber and break it. I emailed Harbor Freight, and received their patent reply of "we only offer a 90 day warranty on this item". I reply with "you offer lifetime warranty on hand tools, yet an item that takes virtually NO stress gets 90 days?" HF: We hope you understand that we can only follow our company policies Me: I do understand, and I hope you will understand that I will be recounting this experience on the bike forums to which I am a member. No sense any members paying $40 for a rack that will rot away in about 100 days" needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From pilotrob at msn.com Tue Jan 5 10:16:04 2010 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:16:04 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] I love internet forums Message-ID: Chalk one up for the good guys! :) CB -----Original Message----- From: Brad Fornal Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2010 12:08 PM To: Yahoo Spridget list, Spridget list Subject: [midgetsprite] I love internet forums I gotta say, forums are the best thing EVER!! I know Frank loves to trash on Harbor Freight over their cheap ass products. But Frank, there IS an answer... I purchased a Harbor Freight receiver hitch bike rack from those buggers early last year. My wife and I were taking our road bikes to other places to ride fairly often. I made the mistake of leaving it mounted on the Pathfinder, and as Frank knows, the rubber mounting bits on the rack started rotting, and the velcro straps on it started to crack the rubber and break it. I emailed Harbor Freight, and received their patent reply of "we only offer a 90 day warranty on this item". I reply with "you offer lifetime warranty on hand tools, yet an item that takes virtually NO stress gets 90 days?" HF: We hope you understand that we can only follow our company policies Me: I do understand, and I hope you will understand that I will be recounting this experience on the bike forums to which I am a member. No sense any members paying $40 for a rack that will rot away in about 100 days" needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 5 10:43:24 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:43:24 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs Message-ID: <2b055.20e5ae22.3874d43c@aol.com> I've never understood how anyone can modify a car so extensively and still end up with a crap air filter on the carb. In a message dated 05/01/2010 16:33:56 GMT Standard Time, peter at nosimport.com writes: At 05:30 AM 1/5/2010, Hal Faulkner wrote: >Not for Jay or others of his sort! :) > >ebay 140371560043 ======================= A Bugeye well executed -or- A Bugeye, well, executed. From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 11:05:16 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:05:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <905642.5347.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <201001050736247.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <905642.5347.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001051005x3a352fces9c553d5280d1de24@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Jay Fishbein wrote: > Why bother with that when you can do this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related > > That's cool, but you might as well get points for STYLE too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RmVjBVq1TU&feature=related From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 11:09:46 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:09:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Unintended Zicam (NO LBC) In-Reply-To: <844645.96993.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <648181.46201.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <844645.96993.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001051009m626fb795m642924df0bc9787@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Jay Fishbein wrote: > I have had good luck with the Zicam gel shots. > I will have to check this out more closely. Our daughter is a head nurse at a hospital in Georgia. The hospital uses and prescribes Zicam and the doctors and nurses she works with recommend it. We have used it for years with no ill effects but have, of course, used it according to the directions. More later after I find out what is going on here... -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From sales at justbrits.com Tue Jan 5 11:18:50 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:18:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <905642.5347.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <905642.5347.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B43828A.1000409@justbrits.com> << Why bother with that when you can do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related >> Yo 'Hopper, Flounder, etc. !! What "class" would it be and can/could you guys BEAT it [especially at RA !! ] ?!?!?!? Anon From froggi60 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 11:22:07 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:22:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001051022wedadda5o7b61af438841d856@mail.gmail.com> Volkswagen Phaeton From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 5 11:22:55 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:22:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95691C097E7E464D9EC1670FADB5C71B@HomePC> And, thus, Harbor Freight was able to maintain their pristine reputation. Great move, Brad. By the way, did they send the same crap or new and improved crap? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Fornal" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:08 AM To: "Yahoo Spridget list" ; "Spridget list" Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums I gotta say, forums are the best thing EVER!! I know Frank loves to trash on Harbor Freight over their cheap ass products. But Frank, there IS an answer... I purchased a Harbor Freight receiver hitch bike rack from those buggers early last year. My wife and I were taking our road bikes to other places to ride fairly often. I made the mistake of leaving it mounted on the Pathfinder, and as Frank knows, the rubber mounting bits on the rack started rotting, and the velcro straps on it started to crack the rubber and break it. I emailed Harbor Freight, and received their patent reply of "we only offer a 90 day warranty on this item". I reply with "you offer lifetime warranty on hand tools, yet an item that takes virtually NO stress gets 90 days?" HF: We hope you understand that we can only follow our company policies Me: I do understand, and I hope you will understand that I will be recounting this experience on the bike forums to which I am a member. No sense any members paying $40 for a rack that will rot away in about 100 days" needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mikey at b2systems.com Tue Jan 5 11:33:49 2010 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:33:49 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <2b055.20e5ae22.3874d43c@aol.com> References: <2b055.20e5ae22.3874d43c@aol.com> Message-ID: <1262716429.11092.42.camel@WebBrowser> On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 12:43 -0500, weslakemonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > I've never understood how anyone can modify a car so extensively and still > end up with a crap air filter on the carb. Geez, its so simple that even I can understand that one... they ran out of money :) From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 11:34:22 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:34:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums In-Reply-To: <95691C097E7E464D9EC1670FADB5C71B@HomePC> References: <95691C097E7E464D9EC1670FADB5C71B@HomePC> Message-ID: the same crap, but since I am not on any bike forums, and I shared the way around their "company policy" I feel I didn't weasel out any. Brad fwiw, I know of at least one person on this list, that may possibly be on a bike forum. I will hope that they will pass along my story. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > And, thus, Harbor Freight was able to maintain their pristine reputation. > > Great move, Brad. B By the way, did they send the same crap or new and > improved crap? > > > LAD > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Brad Fornal" > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:08 AM > To: "Yahoo Spridget list" ; "Spridget list" > > Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums > > I gotta say, forums are the best thing EVER!! > I know Frank loves to trash on Harbor Freight over their cheap ass > products. But Frank, there IS an answer... > I purchased a Harbor Freight receiver hitch bike rack from those > buggers early last year. My wife and I were taking our road bikes to > other places to ride fairly often. I made the mistake of leaving it > mounted on the Pathfinder, and as Frank knows, the rubber mounting > bits on the rack started rotting, and the velcro straps on it started > to crack the rubber and break it. > I emailed Harbor Freight, and received their patent reply of "we only > offer a 90 day warranty on this item". > I reply with "you offer lifetime warranty on hand tools, yet an item > that takes virtually NO stress gets 90 days?" > HF: We hope you understand that we can only follow our company policies > Me: I do understand, and I hope you will understand that I will be > recounting this experience on the bike forums to which I am a member. > No sense any members paying $40 for a rack that will rot away in about > 100 days" > > needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... > > > > -- > DON JULIO 1942 > > www.myspace.com/tequilabrad > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 11:36:14 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The skinny on Zicam (NO LBC) Message-ID: <43840a7e1001051036y607551adgfa2e8ecc6b3bc4c4@mail.gmail.com> Okay... The dope on Zicam (straight from a pharmacists mouth and checked through the FDA) is that *Zicam Cold Remedy* formulation was ordered pulled last June by the FDA for the reasons mentioned previously in this thread. The other Zicam formulations (Sinus, Allergy, Cold & Flu...etc) are still on the market and have caused no known problems when used according tot he manufacturers directions. We use the Allergy Relief formulation. Our daughter's hospital never used the *Zicam Cold Remedy* and they still don't. That is not the formulation she and the doctors use and recommend. Long story short, any Zicam product you see on the shelves today is safe when used properly. End of story. -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From sales at justbrits.com Tue Jan 5 11:51:18 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4B438A26.4040705@justbrits.com> << have your brains blown out,>> IMHO [of course] Bud, my question would be is: "Wonder just how good a shot she is especially at my tiny one?!?". Anon PS: .44 Mag w/hollow points [you would 'go' faster]. From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 5 14:00:27 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:00:27 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs Message-ID: <7780.4a4fe3cc.3875026b@aol.com> At least the Sprite is a decent car to start with. In a message dated 05/01/2010 18:53:34 GMT Standard Time, sales at justbrits.com writes: Why bother with that when you can do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related >> From abcoz at hky.com Tue Jan 5 14:01:26 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:01:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <201001050859106.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> <201001050859106.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Peter (and the rest of you guys, too). That's good information to have. Actually, we had very good luck with our '99, which we bought (literally) right off the showroom floor in December or '98. We put over 155K miles on it with minimal problems....and the really big ones (ABS control unit and a few MAF units) were covered by the warranty. We had only one coil failure, at about 130K miles, and one or two control arm bushing issues. Other than the usual Bosch electrical problems (annoying but not disabling), the car was great. Always had the same dealer mechanic work on it, which helps a lot. I go with dealer service because I want someone who works on VWs all day, every day instead of just every now and then. Oh, yeah......the car was demolished yesterday morning when my wife lost control on a very snowy, icy, off-camber turn, but at low speed. Unfortunately, there was a panel van coming the other way and....... Luckily, no one was hurt.......except our poor old Passat. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: "Bud Osbourne" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > Bud, > I wanted to ask a few local mechanics before I responded..... they > all said take the bullet! > > No, really, the newer-than-02's FWD 4-cylinder models are MUCH > improved over the earlier ones. You know the problems with the early ones. > They've gotten better. Apparently the ECU is no longer stored under water. > The brakes seem to work now. The spindly dozen or so control arms though > fragile, are inexpensive. The engine management system involves more > coils, but they seem to last more than 30K this time. > > I recommend first that you take the "Passat" emblem from the dead > one, and glue it on a Toyota, but, failing that, get the model you like. > The 1.8T Auto is a good choice. > I also recommend heated seats... works great for bringing pizza > home:-) > > Peter > == > At 08:41 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote: >>Peter, >>I'm going to be buying another of your most favorite cars: A VW Passat. I >>know the Passats have had some, ahhh....."issues". Due to my doubts about >>this so-called economic recovery having the legs to sustain itself, I've >>decided not to buy a new one. I'll probably look for an 02 through 06 >>model >>(or wherever the cut-off from 1.8T to 2.0T lies), non-AWD, 1.8T automatic. >>I'd really rather get a series 4 Jetta w/2.0, non-turbo, gas engine but my >>wife is really upset about the "death" of her beloved '99 Passat, >>yesterday. >>What can I say? I'm putty in her hands ;) >>If someone were to hold a gun to your head and tell you that you MUST buy >>a >>Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose (and >>you're >>not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? >>Thanks, Peter. >>Bud Osbourne From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 5 14:01:44 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:01:44 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs Message-ID: <77be.7e49ad8a.387502b8@aol.com> Possibly not. There is cheap crap and expensive crap. Sometimes expensive crap is more expensive than decent parts. In a message dated 05/01/2010 19:35:57 GMT Standard Time, mikey at b2systems.com writes: On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 12:43 -0500, weslakemonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > I've never understood how anyone can modify a car so extensively and still > end up with a crap air filter on the carb. Geez, its so simple that even I can understand that one... they ran out of money :) From sales at justbrits.com Tue Jan 5 15:56:36 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:56:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> <201001050859106.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <4B43C3A4.8080304@justbrits.com> << no one was hurt.......except our poor old Passat. >> So the Passat is Passe, Bud ?? Anon From sales at justbrits.com Tue Jan 5 15:59:43 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:59:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <7780.4a4fe3cc.3875026b@aol.com> References: <7780.4a4fe3cc.3875026b@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B43C45F.8060608@justbrits.com> Daniel wrote: << At least the Sprite is a decent car to start with. >> And then says that I wrote: << In a message dated 05/01/2010 18:53:34 GMT Standard Time, sales at justbrits.com writes: Why bother with that when you can do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related >> BUT I did NOT author it; it WAS just a PART of a post I made !?!?!? I AM Innocent !!!!!!! From kentmclean at comcast.net Tue Jan 5 16:50:32 2010 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:50:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> Bud Osbourne wrote: > Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose > (and you're not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? Can anyone play? Having owned a few VW-family turbo'd cars, I'd go with a normally aspirated V6. You may find the 1.8T's need some revs to build power. Unless your wife puts her foot in it all the time to keep that turbo spinning, she might like the torque of the V6 better. And though I haven't driven one, the TDI diesel would be worth a look. Whatever you decide, go for the newest one you can afford. The U.S. generations split at 2002-2005, and 2006-. If you Google, you'll find other VW issues with control arms failing early, ignition coils failing early, and the famous "oil sludge" problem of the turbos. As with any used car, get one with a folder full of past maintenance receipts (How often did they change the oil? With dino or synthetic?). Although I love my German cars, as someone else said, you may do better to go with a Honda or Toyota. -- Kent McLean 1990 V8 w/5-speed and other mods 1991 200 TQA #3, with mods 1999 A4 Avant, V6 Tiptronic gone: '91 200 TQA x2, '94 100 S Avant, '89 200 TQ "Bad Puppy" Oh, and a '56 100 BN2 From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 17:31:25 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:31:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC Message-ID: <43840a7e1001051631k4e42ab47h346a037e1c19a8a3@mail.gmail.com> Wife came home from having her 2005 Silverado PU s/ auto tranny serviced at the dealership. On the paper they gave her they noted that the front pads are getting close to needing replacing - a job I will do myself. They also wrote "Need a transmission flush ASAP." I had to look this up on the web because I've only ever had manual trannies! It looks as if there are differing opinions upon the utility of flushing the automatic transmission and that you need a special machine to do it. I'm open for ideas and opinions on this process.... One local guy told me that even some of the manufacturers don't recommend it any more. I don't know what to believe so I'm opening the floodgates here in hopes of getting a good argument started... ;-) Frank... you are right to keep your Ford PU with manual tranny!! -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From jackson.skip at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 17:42:29 2010 From: jackson.skip at yahoo.com (Skip Jackson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:42:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs Message-ID: <90906.45760.qm@web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The description in e-bay #140371560043 states, "Makes replica, kit car Austin Healey Sprite 1959 modifii hot rod." I wondered if it was a kit car. Still curious about the over and under on the $50,000.00 Buy It Now!!! Warm Regards, Skip J. From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 5 17:44:09 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:44:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B43DCD9.4040100@comcast.net> Brad Fornal wrote: > > needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... > So you are good for another 100 days. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 5 17:55:14 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:55:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs In-Reply-To: <4B43C45F.8060608@justbrits.com> References: <7780.4a4fe3cc.3875026b@aol.com> <4B43C45F.8060608@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <9CD5B2AE6BF6438D81D6F5EEBC40B133@HomePC> From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:59 PM To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not for originality buffs Daniel wrote: << At least the Sprite is a decent car to start with. >> And then says that I wrote: << In a message dated 05/01/2010 18:53:34 GMT Standard Time, sales at justbrits.com writes: Why bother with that when you can do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related >> BUT I did NOT author it; it WAS just a PART of a post I made !?!?!? I AM Innocent !!!!!!! _______________________________________________ You are a lot of things, ED... innocent isn't one of them. LAD From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 17:58:49 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:58:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums In-Reply-To: <4B43DCD9.4040100@comcast.net> References: <4B43DCD9.4040100@comcast.net> Message-ID: and back to them for more new parts after 100 days.... On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Frank wrote: > Brad Fornal wrote: >> >> needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... >> > > So you are good for another 100 days. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 5 18:40:54 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:40:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC Message-ID: Clean the screen(s) and change the fluid. Flushing is just asking to stir something up in there ...to lodge somewhere else. Would you flush your Spridget carb? Just my opinion. ...bill in oregon ================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:31 PM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC Wife came home from having her 2005 Silverado PU s/ auto tranny serviced at the dealership. On the paper they gave her they noted that the front pads are getting close to needing replacing - a job I will do myself. They also wrote "Need a transmission flush ASAP." I had to look this up on the web because I've only ever had manual trannies! It looks as if there are differing opinions upon the utility of flushing the automatic transmission and that you need a special machine to do it. I'm open for ideas and opinions on this process.... One local guy told me that even some of the manufacturers don't recommend it any more. I don't know what to believe so I'm opening the floodgates here in hopes of getting a good argument started... ;-) Frank... you are right to keep your Ford PU with manual tranny!! -- Cheers!! Jim From abcoz at hky.com Tue Jan 5 19:11:32 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:11:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8245D985061E49E9B432133AFB2F1537@OwnerPC> Kent, For the types of driving we do (did) with our Passat, the 1.8T delivers plenty of grunt, but can still deliver way over 30 mpg on long highway stretches. With the early 4th generation Passats, the "electronically adaptive" automatic transmission is very good at making absolutely sure you are in the wrong gear every time you want a burst of acceleration (later ones I drove when ours was in for service seemed not to have that problem). However, using the Tiptronic feature to get immediately into the right gear, I find that the engine responds very quickly and there is no noticeable turbo-lag. While I've never been thrilled with a "daily driver" engine that demands premium fuel, that little turbo motor is really a sweet unit. And there is no "oil sludge" problem with those engines, if maintained properly..........specifically, change the oil at the recommended intervals. Also, when coming in off the highway, it's important to allow the engine to idle for several minutes (the driver's manual says 5 minutes) before shutting down. This allows oil to keep circulating through the turbo's bearings, and carry the heat away. When a hard working turbo engine is shut off w/o allowing is to idle for a while, the oil in the turbo gets "coked", which is what that sludge is. Do it often enough, without changing oil at correct intervals and it can get so bad that the oil pump pick up screen gets choked with sludge. The TDI is an impressive unit, but I don't much care for the maintenance it requires (well, the maintenance it SHOULD get, anyway) and most of my wife's driving involves 10-20 mile trips punctuated by several hours of being shut off. If it were all highway and long distances, I'd probably consider it. The car I'll be looking for will be a one-owner car and dealer-maintained at the proper intervals. We'll see what comes up. I could be tempted to buy another new one, but I really don't like all the electronic gizmos on the newest Passats. Since I believe in very thorough maintenance and tend to keep a car just about forever (new car every 20 years, whether I need it or not), the fewer electronic gizmos (particularly if they are labeled "Bosch") on a car, the better off I'll be. Thanks. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent McLean" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > Bud Osbourne wrote: > > Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose > > (and you're not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? > > Can anyone play? Having owned a few VW-family turbo'd cars, > I'd go with a normally aspirated V6. You may find the 1.8T's > need some revs to build power. Unless your wife puts her foot > in it all the time to keep that turbo spinning, she might like > the torque of the V6 better. And though I haven't driven one, > the TDI diesel would be worth a look. Whatever you decide, go > for the newest one you can afford. The U.S. generations split > at 2002-2005, and 2006-. > > If you Google, you'll find other VW issues with control arms > failing early, ignition coils failing early, and the famous > "oil sludge" problem of the turbos. As with any used car, get > one with a folder full of past maintenance receipts (How often > did they change the oil? With dino or synthetic?). > > Although I love my German cars, as someone else said, you may > do better to go with a Honda or Toyota. > > -- > Kent McLean > 1990 V8 w/5-speed and other mods > 1991 200 TQA #3, with mods > 1999 A4 Avant, V6 Tiptronic > gone: '91 200 TQA x2, '94 100 S Avant, '89 200 TQ "Bad Puppy" > Oh, and a '56 100 BN2 From abcoz at hky.com Tue Jan 5 19:14:22 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:14:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b11001051022wedadda5o7b61af438841d856@mail.gmail.com> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> <2ad6c6b11001051022wedadda5o7b61af438841d856@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AE2030C9BA147DF84C48E5B9775503E@OwnerPC> Yeah, that was an interesting concept.......but too much of a land barge for my taste. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: WFO Herb To: Bud Osbourne Cc: Spridget Chat Group Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C Volkswagen Phaeton From abcoz at hky.com Tue Jan 5 19:21:02 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:21:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <64ACDD00FAB64865B958F58F53B12209@OwnerPC> Ouch! Bet that one really hurt. I have a niece that had a Jetta GLX VR6. She pulled forward over one of those cement parking place stops and knocked a small hole in the oil pan. To my shock, VW replaced the engine under warranty! While running over that concrete lump certainly constituted a "blonde moment" (and she's very blonde), she had the smarts to charm VW out of a new engine. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > .44 (sorry) > Consider putting on a skid plate to protect the oil sump. A friend was > driving his over a bridge in Portland, Oregon, hit a large piece of ice > and > poked a hole in the oil pan. Had to keep going and ...ruined the engine. > ...bill in oregon > ================================================ > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:42 AM > To: 'Spridget Chat Group' > Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > > Peter, > I'm going to be buying another of your most favorite cars: A VW Passat. I > know the Passats have had some, ahhh....."issues". Due to my doubts about > this so-called economic recovery having the legs to sustain itself, I've > decided not to buy a new one. I'll probably look for an 02 through 06 > model > (or wherever the cut-off from 1.8T to 2.0T lies), non-AWD, 1.8T automatic. > I'd really rather get a series 4 Jetta w/2.0, non-turbo, gas engine but my > wife is really upset about the "death" of her beloved '99 Passat, > yesterday. > What can I say? I'm putty in her hands ;) > If someone were to hold a gun to your head and tell you that you MUST buy > a > Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose (and > you're > not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? > Thanks, Peter. > Bud Osbourne From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 5 19:24:31 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:24:31 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <64ACDD00FAB64865B958F58F53B12209@OwnerPC> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> <64ACDD00FAB64865B958F58F53B12209@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <40E7C8D7D487477B8F1E8A60881FA6EC@spider> My friend, male, was covered by insurance. The company found a used replacement and paid to have the swap done. His father was holding out for a new engine, but it didn't happen. ...bill in oregon ======================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Bud Osbourne [mailto:abcoz at hky.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:21 PM To: corvallis at peoplepc.com; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C Ouch! Bet that one really hurt. I have a niece that had a Jetta GLX VR6. She pulled forward over one of those cement parking place stops and knocked a small hole in the oil pan. To my shock, VW replaced the engine under warranty! While running over that concrete lump certainly constituted a "blonde moment" (and she's very blonde), she had the smarts to charm VW out of a new engine. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > .44 (sorry) > Consider putting on a skid plate to protect the oil sump. A friend was > driving his over a bridge in Portland, Oregon, hit a large piece of ice > and > poked a hole in the oil pan. Had to keep going and ...ruined the engine. > ...bill in oregon > ================================================ > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:42 AM > To: 'Spridget Chat Group' > Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > > Peter, > I'm going to be buying another of your most favorite cars: A VW Passat. I > know the Passats have had some, ahhh....."issues". Due to my doubts about > this so-called economic recovery having the legs to sustain itself, I've > decided not to buy a new one. I'll probably look for an 02 through 06 > model > (or wherever the cut-off from 1.8T to 2.0T lies), non-AWD, 1.8T automatic. > I'd really rather get a series 4 Jetta w/2.0, non-turbo, gas engine but my > wife is really upset about the "death" of her beloved '99 Passat, > yesterday. > What can I say? I'm putty in her hands ;) > If someone were to hold a gun to your head and tell you that you MUST buy > a > Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose (and > you're > not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? > Thanks, Peter. > Bud Osbourne From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 5 19:33:07 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:33:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001051631k4e42ab47h346a037e1c19a8a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001051631k4e42ab47h346a037e1c19a8a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >It looks as if there are differing opinions upon the utility of > flushing the automatic transmission A mechanic once told me that it is good to flush a transmission unless it has been left too long, after which it is better not to stir up the mess. I don't recall how long is too long. Maybe that was just draining and refilling, not flushing with a special machine. Michael Rowe From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 20:08:37 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:08:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9911001051908n3f203aabv5b306877b72b6ee@mail.gmail.com> > Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC Most look like guys in women's clothing but sometimes they are hard to spot. The Adam's apple is a good indicator. From davriker at nwi.net Tue Jan 5 20:23:24 2010 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:23:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC References: Message-ID: <93E560976E71469EBD63CB10DD17571C@MAIN> Draining and refilling an automatic transmission is a waste of time. There is no way to get all the debris out of the torque converter and valve body unless it is flushed with a proper machine. The machine pumps new fluid in one way and the old fluid pumps out the other way until the fluid coming out is like new. I highly recommend a transmission flush on a Chevrolet Truck every 60,000 miles. If you miss the one at 60k, you will replace the tranny at 130k. Just what I've seen in the service drive, YMMV. David Riker Cascade Chevrolet ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:40 PM Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC > Clean the screen(s) and change the fluid. Flushing is just asking to stir > something up in there ...to lodge somewhere else. Would you flush your > Spridget carb? Just my opinion. ...bill in oregon > ================================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:31 PM > To: Spridgets > Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC > > Wife came home from having her 2005 Silverado PU s/ auto tranny serviced > at > the dealership. On the paper they gave her they noted that the front pads > are getting close to needing replacing - a job I will do myself. They > also > wrote "Need a transmission flush ASAP." > > I had to look this up on the web because I've only ever had manual > trannies! It looks as if there are differing opinions upon the utility of > flushing the automatic transmission and that you need a special machine to > do it. I'm open for ideas and opinions on this process.... One local guy > told me that even some of the manufacturers don't recommend it any more. > I > don't know what to believe so I'm opening the floodgates here in hopes of > getting a good argument started... ;-) > > Frank... you are right to keep your Ford PU with manual tranny!! > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 11:35:00 [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From froggi60 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 20:39:30 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:39:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001051631k4e42ab47h346a037e1c19a8a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001051631k4e42ab47h346a037e1c19a8a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001051939n61583d31he80fa455d3b9c849@mail.gmail.com> Jim, How many miles and do you tow with the PU? Regardless, in order to get a through 'flush', it needs to be done from the tranny cooler, which does the torque converter as well. Dropping the pan in the process. Just dropping the pan, cleaning the filter screen (or filter) doesn't get the job done. Don't understand the "ASAP"...unless the fluid is 'toast'. Herb On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Jim Johnson wrote: > Wife came home from having her 2005 Silverado PU s/ auto tranny serviced at > the dealership. On the paper they gave her they noted that the front pads > are getting close to needing replacing - a job I will do myself. They also > wrote "Need a transmission flush ASAP." From soavero at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 21:30:32 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:30:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC In-Reply-To: <93E560976E71469EBD63CB10DD17571C@MAIN> Message-ID: <994714.95500.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, David Riker wrote: > Draining and refilling an automatic > transmission is a waste of time. There > is no way to get all the debris out of the torque converter > and valve body > unless it is flushed with a proper machine. Agreed. If there's a dipstick, you can smell the difference in the fluid. I tow, therefore I flush. Ron From jfishbein at snet.net Tue Jan 5 22:14:39 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:14:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC In-Reply-To: <93E560976E71469EBD63CB10DD17571C@MAIN> Message-ID: <750768.57150.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> "Wife came home from having her tranny serviced at the dealership." I do that service right at home and more often than every 60,000 miles too. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 6 07:48:53 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:48:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001051631k4e42ab47h346a037e1c19a8a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001051631k4e42ab47h346a037e1c19a8a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A75900A25304796B06CDA03AAD426E0@HomePC> I passed this on to a vintage racer who owns a transmission shop. Here is his reply: "Have you looked at the fluid as of late? The flush machines have turned into money makers for oil change places, etc. If you have less than 75,000 miles you can do a fluid exchange if you feel like changing the fluid. If over that many miles I like to pull the pan to inspect the condition of the trans and change the filter. Once a week someone will call in a panic because the oil change place said a flush was needed right away. They say the fluid is burned and it looks like new. If your fluid looks nice and red don't worry about it." IOW, it seems the oil change places have found a new way to dive into your wallet. It sounds like the industry is trying to make a living off of scamming people on unnecessary fluid flushes. My own opinion is that, if I was concerned about the trans, I would take it to a trans shop and not let the monkeys at the oil change place touch it. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Johnson" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:31 PM To: "Spridgets" Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC Wife came home from having her 2005 Silverado PU s/ auto tranny serviced at the dealership. On the paper they gave her they noted that the front pads are getting close to needing replacing - a job I will do myself. They also wrote "Need a transmission flush ASAP." I had to look this up on the web because I've only ever had manual trannies! It looks as if there are differing opinions upon the utility of flushing the automatic transmission and that you need a special machine to do it. I'm open for ideas and opinions on this process.... One local guy told me that even some of the manufacturers don't recommend it any more. I don't know what to believe so I'm opening the floodgates here in hopes of getting a good argument started... ;-) Frank... you are right to keep your Ford PU with manual tranny!! -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Wed Jan 6 12:27:40 2010 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:27:40 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Help needed on Bugeye 1275 Engine & Tranny Rebuild Message-ID: My 61 Bugeye racers spun a rod bearing while down at Texas World Speedway. We are now in the process of rebuilding it and the tranny because it was suffering from jumping out of first gear and had some syncro issues. Engine is 1275 which has not be decked, bored, etc. Crank has not been turned either. The motor and tranny are in excellent shape. Specifically what I am looking for is as follows: Billet Steel Crankshaft, recommendations on what clutch set up to use, also the same on Cam, rod and main bearings, lifters, push rods, flywheel, pistons and what size? We are working from a bone stock core motor & transmisson that What has the Sprite racers done with regard to oil pan to keep oil around the pickup point. Any windage trays or crank scrappers out there or race modified oil pans? I need to get on this as we are going to take the car back down to TWS for the first race of the year which is the last week of Feb. Thank you all in advance. Cheers, Gary From 72spridget at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 13:12:52 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:12:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: FW: Help needed to look at a car In-Reply-To: <0782406101C4354E97CB854612FFE70D0FD2DB7B42@ITMBXEXCH.enterprise.trin.net> References: <0782406101C4354E97CB854612FFE70D0FD2DB7B42@ITMBXEXCH.enterprise.trin.net> Message-ID: <402188521001061212h30b4e80fi6119448b62dfc662@mail.gmail.com> I falsely assumed that this email had been sent to the List by David Pilcher. I was wrong. Anybody able to help him out? I know nothing more than this: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Pilcher Date: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:21 PM Subject: FW: Help needed to look at a car To: "spridget.calendar at gmail.com" Please see my email below. David Pilcher Trinity Structural Towers Inc. (214) 589-8864 From: David Pilcher Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:20 PM To: dawn at fullcompass.com; trgriff at tds.net; hammerly at charter.net; dave.nordby at alkar.com; peanutrad at charter.net; kb9csw at arrl.net Cc: David Pilcher; davepilcher at yahoo.com Subject: Help needed to look at a car I'm writing to you to request some help. I'm the President of the Red River Triumph Club in Dallas/Fort Worth TX. I found your email addresses off your website. My dad lives in Orlando (Altamonte Springs) and in early November went through triple bypass surgery. He was particularly healthy before the surgery and is recovering splendedly. My mom and I would like to find him a replacement to the 1961 Austin Healey MK II Sprite that he had in the 60s. We've been scowering the country looking for a MK II or III to surprise him with . To my requestI have located a Sprite in Green Bay. I know it's not very close to you , but I'm hoping you know someone who might live close enough to go look at the car. If you sometimes go to, or know someone who does go to Green Bay, could you please contact me so we can arrange a look at the car. I'm not looking for a show car, but a clean car that can me a driver. Mechanical soundness and lack of serious rust is more critical. I have not yet heard from the owner, so I don't yet know all the particulars about the car. I appreciate your assistance in advance. Thanks, David Pilcher Manager Quality Systems Trinity Structural Towers Inc. 2525 N. Stemmons Freeway, Dallas, TX 75207 (214) 589-8864 (Office) (214) 589-2531 (Fax) (817) 705-5692 (Cell) Notice: This email message, including any attachments, contains information belonging to Trinity Industries, Inc. and its business units. It has been sent solely for the use of the intended recipients and may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted, and legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please advise the sender of the error and permanently delete all copies of this email, including any copies that may reside in your deleted box. The unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of this email or its contents is strictly prohibited. From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 6 13:43:05 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:43:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> Kent, Had a nice visit with my local VW dealer parts guy, this morning. It turns out that the V6 Passats are the best of the bunch. The V6 is pretty much bullet-proof, with no problem areas at all (assuming correct maintenance). The earlier 1.8T was also pretty much bullet-proof. It was the '01 and later 1.8T that was very sensitive to lack of proper maintenance, plus they had some issues with temp sensors & a few other things. Due to some engine management system changes, these later engines seem to accumulate "sludge" faster than the early ones did. In other words, too long between oil changes = "the sludge issue". Also learned that the automatic transmissions in the series 4 Jettas were troublesome. Valve body problems ($1500 part) are common, and I thought I heard him mention that the clutches were weak, too, meaning that you are looking at $2000 in parts when the automatic tranny "sh_ts the bed". Then there's the labor charge.......... Needless to say, a series 4 Jetta automatic is not in my future. So, if I can find a 1.8T Passat that has had excellent care, I may snag it. Otherwise, I will look for a V6 Passat and figure that the extra fuel costs will be offset by what I'd spend in maintenance & repair on a 1.8T. I also learned that the 4 Motion system (VW all wheel drive) has been very trouble-free. If I had this problem during the "good weather" months (we have 2 or 3 of them every year in PA), I'd have her in a Spridget in no time! Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent McLean" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > Bud Osbourne wrote: > > Passat or have your brains blown out, which model would you choose > > (and you're not allowed to pick .357 Magnum)? > > Can anyone play? Having owned a few VW-family turbo'd cars, > I'd go with a normally aspirated V6. You may find the 1.8T's > need some revs to build power. Unless your wife puts her foot > in it all the time to keep that turbo spinning, she might like > the torque of the V6 better. And though I haven't driven one, > the TDI diesel would be worth a look. Whatever you decide, go > for the newest one you can afford. The U.S. generations split > at 2002-2005, and 2006-. > > If you Google, you'll find other VW issues with control arms > failing early, ignition coils failing early, and the famous > "oil sludge" problem of the turbos. As with any used car, get > one with a folder full of past maintenance receipts (How often > did they change the oil? With dino or synthetic?). > > Although I love my German cars, as someone else said, you may > do better to go with a Honda or Toyota. > > -- > Kent McLean > 1990 V8 w/5-speed and other mods > 1991 200 TQA #3, with mods > 1999 A4 Avant, V6 Tiptronic > gone: '91 200 TQA x2, '94 100 S Avant, '89 200 TQ "Bad Puppy" > Oh, and a '56 100 BN2 From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 6 14:55:48 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:55:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001050827y1f725af7ma00a093d15d3791a@mail.gmail.com> References: <011B00921F7147F68F14AD2356F054A0@OwnerPC> <4333f8141001050827y1f725af7ma00a093d15d3791a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205162BEFC5641E7B25A19D8A2B423E9@OwnerPC> LOL. Always at least one smart-ass in the group, Hal ;) Thanks. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal Faulkner To: Bud Osbourne Cc: Spridget Chat Group Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Bud Osbourne wrote: I'm putty in her hands ;) Bud, They have pills for that! :) Hal From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jan 6 15:08:55 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> The part number for the emblem "Passat" in chrome and black is 3C9-853-630ULM About $45.00. It would go well on a Toyota.... ... just sayin. I don't know anybody in the parts biz that drives a Passat. I know some mechanics that do but only because they got a cheap one that their customer could no longer support "in the fashion in which it was accustomed". That V6 is some scary engineering. Peter C. == At 02:43 PM 1/6/2010, Bud Osbourne wrote: >Kent, >Had a nice visit with my local VW dealer parts guy, this >morning. It turns out that the V6 Passats are the best of the >bunch. The V6 is pretty much bullet-proof, with no problem areas at >all (assuming correct maintenance). The earlier 1.8T was also pretty >much bullet-proof. It was the '01 and later 1.8T that was very >sensitive to lack of proper maintenance, plus they had some issues >with temp sensors & a few other things. Due to some engine >management system changes, these later engines seem to accumulate >"sludge" faster than the early ones did. In other words, too long >between oil changes = "the sludge issue". >Also learned that the automatic transmissions in the series 4 Jettas >were troublesome. Valve body problems ($1500 part) are common, and >I thought I heard him mention that the clutches were weak, too, >meaning that you are looking at $2000 in parts when the automatic >tranny "sh_ts the bed". Then there's the labor >charge.......... Needless to say, a series 4 Jetta automatic is >not in my future. > >So, if I can find a 1.8T Passat that has had excellent care, I may >snag it. Otherwise, I will look for a V6 Passat and figure that the >extra fuel costs will be offset by what I'd spend in maintenance & >repair on a 1.8T. > >I also learned that the 4 Motion system (VW all wheel drive) has >been very trouble-free. >If I had this problem during the "good weather" months (we have 2 or >3 of them every year in PA), I'd have her in a Spridget in no time! >Bud Osbourne From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 6 15:47:40 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:47:40 EST Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC Message-ID: LMAO + it's too late once you get to meat and 2 veg! In a message dated 06/01/2010 04:22:20 GMT Standard Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: Subject: [Spridgets] Tranny Question - No LBC Most look like guys in women's clothing but sometimes they are hard to spot. The Adam's apple is a good indicator. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 6 18:01:01 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:01:01 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: Are you sure about that finish? I thought they were originaly gold and red. > The part number for the emblem "Passat" in chrome and black is > 3C9-853-630ULM About $45.00. It would go well on a Toyota.... From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Jan 6 18:04:03 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:04:03 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Datsun Trans problem Message-ID: I have been living with the bad aftermarket synchros that Paul A used (he sent me a correct set to replace them) during the rebuild of my Datsun tranny since I installed it a couple of years ago. It just kinda crunches going into 3rd gear if the main shaft is still turning to fast. I cannot downshift very well either, so I have just been careful driving it until I can pull it out for another rebuild. Well, I am almost getting to that point now, but another problem has shown up. It pops out of 3rd gear under hard acceleration or if I touch the gear shift in a backward movement. Just a slight touch will do it. What causes that. Just trying to find out what else to look for when I take this thing down. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 18:27:19 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC References: <93E560976E71469EBD63CB10DD17571C@MAIN> Message-ID: <4EA1C4E6FBC24C2AB2B696B4C35A2565@blackbox2> There is a DIY tranny flush method that I once did on a Merkur Scorpio I use to own. The procedure was descibed on the Merkur list I subscibed to at the time As I recall it entailed disconnecting the line from the trans cooler and allowing the transmission itself to pump the fluid out, by letting the engine idle in DRIVE with the emergency brake secured. Best to search the web for the particulars. It does no harm because you don't run very long in this condition. When i did I did this I also dropped the pan and changed the filter. At the time the car had over 80k miles and I noticed a big improvement in the shifting afterwards. So much so that I am now a proponent for regular tranny flushes every 30-40k miles. I no longer do it myself, but I have the dealer do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Riker" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FW: Tranny Question - No LBC > Draining and refilling an automatic transmission is a waste of time. There > is no way to get all the debris out of the torque converter and valve body > unless it is flushed with a proper machine. From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 6 19:32:19 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net><42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> Scary engineering? Well, the V6 seems to be the best VW engine, reliability-wise, since the 2.0 liter 4 cylinder unit used in the Golf and Jetta series 3 & 4. Are you sure you aren't talking about the VR6? Not that there's anything wrong with the VR6, which is reported to "run forever" if given the care it needs. Now, the W8 engine would constitute "scary", to me (what ever became of that unit, anyhow?). In all seriousness, however, the key to avoiding the horror stories of Passat ownership seems to be thorough and proper maintenance. The same ultimate truth also applies to Spridgets. I mean, you could (and still can) hear all sorts of horror stories about the unreliability of Spridgets (and just about any British car of that era) back when they were new. The reality of the situation was, however, that the cars were far, far better than given credit for being and were quite dependable when cared for by a competent mechanic who followed the factory's service recommendations (this is assuming the owner had the sense to bring the car in for service at the recommended intervals). So, I'm still going to get another Passat (or possibly a Jetta, if I can convince the wife to go back to a 5 speed manual), if I can find one that has had good maintenance. The recent (Thanksgiving) trip we took to Vermont, in our trusty old Passat, really illustrated (to me, anyhow) what a good car it really was: 150,000 + miles with really no major issues after the factory warranty expired, and it still drove beautifully.......quiet, smooth and responsive. I really like the way the German cars drive, as opposed to the Japanese cars. With the Passat, you feel like you're driving a car rather than piloting some soul-less electro-mechanical device. The German cars seem to be designed for people who love to DRIVE, while the Japanese cars seem to be built for people who really don't care or don't even like cars. Don't get me wrong: I know the Jap cars are very, very good, but I just like the German stuff a lot better. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > The part number for the emblem "Passat" in chrome and black is > 3C9-853-630ULM About $45.00. It would go well on a Toyota.... > > ... just sayin. > > I don't know anybody in the parts biz that drives a Passat. I know some > mechanics that do but only because they got a cheap one that their > customer could no longer support "in the fashion in which it was > accustomed". > > That V6 is some scary engineering. > > Peter C. From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 19:53:12 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:53:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] HBD Message-ID: <877704.31217.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy birthday to the one and only Frank Clarici. May none of his important parts ever act like they were made in China. Us From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 6 19:59:32 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CA3C57E7F5045999D114657F69670C9@OwnerPC> Maybe on the series 3 Passats (Dasher, Quantum, then the '90 - '97 Passat which was the 3rd series) they were. All of the series 4 Passats used chrome & black. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: "Peter Caldwell" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > Are you sure about that finish? I thought they were originaly gold and > red. >> The part number for the emblem "Passat" in chrome and black is >> 3C9-853-630ULM About $45.00. It would go well on a Toyota.... From wmgilroy at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 02:12:24 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 01:12:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441250191001070112g4bfd582bk918abeb5423dc3b9@mail.gmail.com> My sinuses are not the best. While I use Neil Med when traveling. At home a real bottle of saline solution; the stuff that you can get at the pharmacy in quart bottle. It is must less harsh on the sinuses. I find if I rinse daily I have very little trouble with my sinuses. -g On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Brad Fornal wrote: > After the Afrin proved to be problematic, I started using the NeilMed > Sinus Rinse, and though it isn't as effective as Afrin, it is much > safer. > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 8:58:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > tequila.brad at gmail.com writes: > > > > Afrin had the same effect on me. My sinuses seemed to become "hooked" > > on it, and if I stopped using it, even after the cold was gone, my > > sinuses would stuff up again, until the residual wore off. I rarely > > use it now, only in extreme instances, as I am aware of the "weaning > > off" afterward. > > > > > > That's called "rebound congestion"...and is exactly how one becomes > > "addicted" to Afrin. I council patients to use it only for three days, > and > > if possible at bedtime only (to provide some sleep). (I use Afrin > > personally, but ONLY at bedtime) > > > > Most folks find that if they use it continually, it will work for 10-12 > > hours for a couple of days....then 8-10 hours for a couple of > days....then > > 6-8 hours....you see the pattern. I have one patient who keeps a bottle > in > > his pants pocket 24/7/365....and has done so since the early 80's. > > > > I recommend saline nasal sprays (ie - Ocean) during the day; Sudafed if > you > > can take it (it may raise blood pressure and heart rate, so be careful). > > > > rick > > > > -- > DON JULIO 1942 > > www.myspace.com/tequilabrad > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From wmgilroy at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 02:15:51 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 01:15:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <441250191001070115n6e14c529w5aef206e8bfd4909@mail.gmail.com> My wife had a 2002 1.8T Passat. It seemed to be a steaming pile. It was a great day when we replaced the VW with an Outback. I would never buy another VW product and I would never, ever take a Passat for free! -g On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > The part number for the emblem "Passat" in chrome and black is > 3C9-853-630ULM About $45.00. It would go well on a Toyota.... > > ... just sayin. > > I don't know anybody in the parts biz that drives a Passat. I know some > mechanics that do but only because they got a cheap one that their customer > could no longer support "in the fashion in which it was accustomed". > > That V6 is some scary engineering. > > Peter C. > == > > At 02:43 PM 1/6/2010, Bud Osbourne wrote: > >> Kent, >> Had a nice visit with my local VW dealer parts guy, this morning. It >> turns out that the V6 Passats are the best of the bunch. The V6 is pretty >> much bullet-proof, with no problem areas at all (assuming correct >> maintenance). The earlier 1.8T was also pretty much bullet-proof. It was >> the '01 and later 1.8T that was very sensitive to lack of proper >> maintenance, plus they had some issues with temp sensors & a few other >> things. Due to some engine management system changes, these later engines >> seem to accumulate "sludge" faster than the early ones did. In other words, >> too long between oil changes = "the sludge issue". >> Also learned that the automatic transmissions in the series 4 Jettas were >> troublesome. Valve body problems ($1500 part) are common, and I thought I >> heard him mention that the clutches were weak, too, meaning that you are >> looking at $2000 in parts when the automatic tranny "sh_ts the bed". Then >> there's the labor charge.......... Needless to say, a series 4 Jetta >> automatic is not in my future. >> >> So, if I can find a 1.8T Passat that has had excellent care, I may snag >> it. Otherwise, I will look for a V6 Passat and figure that the extra fuel >> costs will be offset by what I'd spend in maintenance & repair on a 1.8T. >> >> I also learned that the 4 Motion system (VW all wheel drive) has been very >> trouble-free. >> If I had this problem during the "good weather" months (we have 2 or 3 of >> them every year in PA), I'd have her in a Spridget in no time! >> Bud Osbourne >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pilotrob at msn.com Thu Jan 7 04:27:24 2010 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:27:24 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [PolySci_101] Zicam (IMPORTANT MESSAGE) NOT A JOKE (Rx info)... Message-ID: "Pharmacutical Saline Solution" Have to hit the pharmacy today. Think I'll give this a try. Thanx. Bill. :) CB From abcoz at hky.com Thu Jan 7 06:06:17 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:06:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <441250191001070115n6e14c529w5aef206e8bfd4909@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net><42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC><20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <441250191001070115n6e14c529w5aef206e8bfd4909@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F78A0B72938439BA73BAC4203E19F0F@OwnerPC> Bill, Not meaning to "dis" you in any way, but, you don't mention if you bought it new or used, how it was maintained and by whom it was maintained. This is VERY critical information. Also "steaming pile" doesn't tell us anything relevant. As far as VW products are concerned: I just rolled past 296,000 miles last week, with my '98 Golf (2.0 liter, 4 cyl. gas engine w/automatic). I bought it new and have maintained it very meticulously via the same dealer I bought it from and the same mechanic working on it every time it went in for service. Aside from a fuel pump relay failure at around 250,000 miles and a rear wheel bearing failure at around 180,000 miles (I now have wheel bearings serviced at least once a year), it has never failed to get me to where I needed to go. I am confident of another 300,000 miles with the car, although I realize I will eventually need to replace the transmission (I mean, how long can an automatic transmission last????). Without a doubt, the weak link in any VW product is Bosch electrics. Basically, they suck and have been of inferior engineering and quality since the early eighties. I keep hearing rumors that BMW (more) and Mercedes (less) are also having reliability issues due to Bosch electrics. Porsche does not seem to be immune from this, either. Subaru.......I wouldn't own one, but not because I don't think they are good cars. I've driven plenty of them (my dealer is a VW/Subaru store & their loaner fleet was all Subies) and just don't like them as much as the VWs. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gilroy" To: "Peter Caldwell" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > My wife had a 2002 1.8T Passat. It seemed to be a steaming pile. It was > a > great day when we replaced the VW with an Outback. I would never buy > another > VW product and I would never, ever take a Passat for free! > > -g From jfishbein at snet.net Thu Jan 7 07:38:15 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <5F78A0B72938439BA73BAC4203E19F0F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <444100.80863.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Let's face it, for car enthusiasts, cars are very personal and can be appealing or unappealing for reasons beyond textbook specifications. I recently bought a new car (Volvo C30) that I expected to be a good fit and fun to drive only to find out after a short while that I couldn't live with the car. (Volvo should just paint the two missing doors on the thing and be done with it.) And of course, there is always the one bad car that turns-out not to be as reliable as the rest of the fleet. Also some owners that are enamoured with a certain car will tend to gloss-over/overlook defects and problems because for them, the good outweighs the bad. (Like Saab owners.) Whoops! And some people will like anything, hence the popularity of the Yawnry. I have to go now for a fitting of my nomex suit. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Bud Osbourne wrote: From: Bud Osbourne Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C To: "Bill Gilroy" , "Peter Caldwell" Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:06 AM Bill, Not meaning to "dis" you in any way, but, you don't mention if you bought it new or used, how it was maintained and by whom it was maintained. This is VERY critical information. Also "steaming pile" doesn't tell us anything relevant. As far as VW products are concerned: I just rolled past 296,000 miles last week, with my '98 Golf (2.0 liter, 4 cyl. gas engine w/automatic). I bought it new and have maintained it very meticulously via the same dealer I bought it from and the same mechanic working on it every time it went in for service. Aside from a fuel pump relay failure at around 250,000 miles and a rear wheel bearing failure at around 180,000 miles (I now have wheel bearings serviced at least once a year), it has never failed to get me to where I needed to go. I am confident of another 300,000 miles with the car, although I realize I will eventually need to replace the transmission (I mean, how long can an automatic transmission last????). Without a doubt, the weak link in any VW product is Bosch electrics. Basically, they suck and have been of inferior engineering and quality since the early eighties. I keep hearing rumors that BMW (more) and Mercedes (less) are also having reliability issues due to Bosch electrics. Porsche does not seem to be immune from this, either. Subaru.......I wouldn't own one, but not because I don't think they are good cars. I've driven plenty of them (my dealer is a VW/Subaru store & their loaner fleet was all Subies) and just don't like them as much as the VWs. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gilroy" To: "Peter Caldwell" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > My wife had a 2002 1.8T Passat. It seemed to be a steaming pile. It was a > great day when we replaced the VW with an Outback. I would never buy another > VW product and I would never, ever take a Passat for free! > > -g Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as jfishbein at snet.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Jan 7 07:40:12 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <499EB24F96794639869FACA92806E584@Home> >the Japanese cars seem to be built for people who really don't care or >don't even like cars. There are more people like this than there are like us. Everyone in my family except me is like this. And I guess anyone who has to drive daily in rush-hour traffic will get like this pretty quickly. "Driving" cars were never intended for the standard suburban daily commute. Michael Rowe From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 08:31:31 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:31:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <499EB24F96794639869FACA92806E584@Home> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <499EB24F96794639869FACA92806E584@Home> Message-ID: I have two Nissans. Early in our marriage, my wife and I had an old Datsun 310 that run for ever and ever. I even put together a second 310, out of two wrecked ones, and it ran a long while also. When I wanted something newer for the 70 mile drive every day, I settled on Nissan, as I have had good luck with them. I have not, however; had good luck with Fords, so I will never own another. Franks opinion, I would guess, would be the exact opposite of mine.... Brad On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: >> the Japanese cars seem to be built for people who really don't care or >> don't even like cars. > > There are more people like this than there are like us. B Everyone in my > family except me is like this. B And I guess anyone who has to drive daily > in rush-hour traffic will get like this pretty quickly. B "Driving" cars were > never intended for the standard suburban daily commute. > > Michael Rowe > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 09:12:22 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:12:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net><42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> Don't have your e-mail with me. Limping south from Louisville to you with a miss. Teach me to say nice things about my VR6! Know anyone around there that works on VW? David L 847-848-4793 From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 11:44:20 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed Message-ID: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I am converting from the original lucas alternator to an alternator from a ford festiva. What I thought would be an unplug/replug wiring is not the case. Has anybody done this on a 71-74 midget? there are 3 wires from the wiring harness 2 thin and one thick. but there are multiple wire connections on the alternator. one nut for the battery, a 2 wire plug labeled S and L, and another small plug connector towards the bottom. Any ideas? From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 7 11:51:47 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:51:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net><42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC><20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com><4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Check that the spark plugs wires are on the plugs and seated in the dist cap. Then check the colour on the plugs to see where the miss is. Good luck. ...bill in oregon ================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:12 AM Cc: Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott Don't have your e-mail with me. Limping south from Louisville to you with a miss. Teach me to say nice things about my VR6! Know anyone around there that works on VW? David L 847-848-4793 _______________________________________________ From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 7 12:42:02 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:42:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed In-Reply-To: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westche ster.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <201001071142961.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Ryan, The historically "straighter" swap is with a Ford FIESTA. They used a Bosch alternator with the same fitment attributes as the Lucas. (Fiesta made by Ford of Germany using the British Ford 1600 engine, basically. Hence the easier interchange.) I'm pointing this out as you may have been wanting the Fiesta, but the local parts guy didn't have it in his computer. Now.... if you really DO want the (Korean) Festiva alternator to work... I can dig up the wiring info for you. Peter C == At 12:44 PM 1/7/2010, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote: >I am converting from the original lucas alternator to an alternator >from a ford festiva. What I thought would be an unplug/replug wiring >is not the case. Has anybody done this on a 71-74 midget? there are >3 wires from the wiring harness 2 thin and one thick. but there are >multiple wire connections on the alternator. one nut for the >battery, a 2 wire plug labeled S and L, and another small plug >connector towards the bottom. >Any ideas? From John.Deikis at va.gov Thu Jan 7 12:57:04 2010 From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:57:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spam Message-ID: Hey- Somehow somebody got into one of my gmail accounts (johnsfollyAT gmailDOTcom) and sent out some bogus emails. If you have gotten one, my apologies. I've re-configured and hope the problem has ended. JohnD From derf247 at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 13:01:54 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed In-Reply-To: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001071201x16d62376v7064ebf1e648a449@mail.gmail.com> My notes are at home. When I get back later I can look them up. I used the standard GM alternator because it was cheap ~ $30 reman. I did a 74. Are you sure the alt you are using has an internal regulator? That might account for the extra wiring connections. From derf247 at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 13:03:49 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:03:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed In-Reply-To: <5f00d9911001071201x16d62376v7064ebf1e648a449@mail.gmail.com> References: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <5f00d9911001071201x16d62376v7064ebf1e648a449@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001071203j779922c4se0416153d415088b@mail.gmail.com> Here is a previous post I was able to pull up from my gmail: Hi, Here are some notes I had on the subject: GM alternator #7127 63amp or #7134 80amp The large Brown wire is the main charging lead. The smaller Brown wire measures the system voltage to tell the alternator how much to charge. The Brown/Yellow wire operates the alternator warning light, and provides the initial voltage to the alternator to start it charging when the engine first starts," Brn/Yel #1 Brn #2 There is a small amount of modification to make the GM alternator fit. I think the one I bought was $29. It is still on the car but I have a different Midget now so I can't go look and see how exactly the mods were made. It wasn't hard, though. Search the archives for "GM alt." or "GM alternator" or maybe "GM Derf" and you should find the posts I made at the time I did the install. Cheers, Derf From dwgwater at hotmail.com Thu Jan 7 13:50:32 2010 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:50:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed In-Reply-To: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: THere are lots of good sources on the net and in the archives. Frank is the expert on the Festiva alternator. From his gospel out of the archives: "The Ford Festiva alternators are small, so are some Hondas. Both jap alts. The wiring is simple, connect all the thick wires together at the regulator, run the genny field wire from the alt to the ignition light." The thick wire at the old genny end of things goes to the big output on the alternator. One of the thin wires is the field wire that energizes the alternator field. It runs through the red light on your dash and connects to the field terminal on the alternator. It's the one labeled labeled "L" for light. The one labeled "S" is the sense wire that tells the alternator the system voltage. THis is a great explanation of how the remote voltage sense feature works. Once you know how it works you can decide from where you want the alternator to read the system voltage http://madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensing.shtml Dave > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:44:20 +0000 > From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed > > I am converting from the original lucas alternator to an alternator from a ford festiva. What I thought would be an unplug/replug wiring is not the case. Has anybody done this on a 71-74 midget? there are 3 wires from the wiring harness 2 thin and one thick. but there are multiple wire connections on the alternator. one nut for the battery, a 2 wire plug labeled S and L, and another small plug connector towards the bottom. > Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dwgwater at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 7 14:27:27 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:27:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed In-Reply-To: References: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <201001071327858.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Except Ryan doesn't have a "genny"... But, it IS a good expanantion. Peter C = At 02:50 PM 1/7/2010, David Groundwater wrote: >THere are lots of good sources on the net and in the archives. Frank is the >expert on the Festiva alternator. From his gospel out of the archives: > > > >"The Ford Festiva alternators are small, so are some Hondas. >Both jap alts. The wiring is simple, connect all the thick wires >together at the regulator, run the genny field wire from the alt to the >ignition light." > > The thick wire at the old genny end of things goes to the big output on the >alternator. One of the thin wires is the field wire that energizes the >alternator field. It runs through the red light on your dash and connects to >the field terminal on the alternator. It's the one labeled labeled "L" for >light. The one labeled "S" is the sense wire that tells the alternator the >system voltage. THis is a great explanation of how the remote voltage sense >feature works. Once you know how it works you can decide from where you want >the alternator to read the system voltage > > > >http://madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensing.shtml > > > >Dave > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:44:20 +0000 > > From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net > > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed > > > > I am converting from the original lucas alternator to an alternator from a >ford festiva. What I thought would be an unplug/replug wiring is not the case. >Has anybody done this on a 71-74 midget? there are 3 wires from the wiring >harness 2 thin and one thick. but there are multiple wire connections on the >alternator. one nut for the battery, a 2 wire plug labeled S and L, and >another small plug connector towards the bottom. > > Any ideas? From dwgwater at hotmail.com Thu Jan 7 15:24:50 2010 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:24:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed In-Reply-To: <201001071327858.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>, , <201001071327858.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: dang, I was so dazzled by actual spridget content, I missed that little detail. In that case, I'd recommend converting from an alternator to a generator, so as to simplify the conversion from a generator to an alternator. Dave > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:27:27 -0600 > To: dwgwater at hotmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > From: peter at nosimport.com > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed > > Except Ryan doesn't have a "genny"... But, it IS a good expanantion. > Peter C > = > At 02:50 PM 1/7/2010, David Groundwater wrote: > >THere are lots of good sources on the net and in the archives. Frank is the > >expert on the Festiva alternator. From his gospel out of the archives: > > > > > > > >"The Ford Festiva alternators are small, so are some Hondas. > >Both jap alts. The wiring is simple, connect all the thick wires > >together at the regulator, run the genny field wire from the alt to the > >ignition light." > > > > The thick wire at the old genny end of things goes to the big output on the > >alternator. One of the thin wires is the field wire that energizes the > >alternator field. It runs through the red light on your dash and connects to > >the field terminal on the alternator. It's the one labeled labeled "L" for > >light. The one labeled "S" is the sense wire that tells the alternator the > >system voltage. THis is a great explanation of how the remote voltage sense > >feature works. Once you know how it works you can decide from where you want > >the alternator to read the system voltage > > > > > > > >http://madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensing.shtml > > > > > > > >Dave > > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:44:20 +0000 > > > From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net > > > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > > > Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed > > > > > > I am converting from the original lucas alternator to an alternator from a > >ford festiva. What I thought would be an unplug/replug wiring is not the case. > >Has anybody done this on a 71-74 midget? there are 3 wires from the wiring > >harness 2 thin and one thick. but there are multiple wire connections on the > >alternator. one nut for the battery, a 2 wire plug labeled S and L, and > >another small plug connector towards the bottom. > > > Any ideas? > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 15:40:43 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:40:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net><42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC><20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com><4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <7800458607631626614@unknownmsgid> Stopped in Nashville at a shop of a friend of David Booker. Not an egnition problem. Injector wires on 4 & 5 were wet. Able to dry out 4, used WD40 on 5 now running on 5.5 cylinders past Berminham. Lousy mileage. David L Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:51, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote: > Check that the spark plugs wires are on the plugs and seated in the > dist > cap. Then check the colour on the plugs to see where the miss is. > Good luck. > ...bill in oregon > ================================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:12 AM > Cc: > Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott > > Don't have your e-mail with me. Limping south from Louisville to you > with a miss. Teach me to say nice things about my VR6! Know anyone > around there that works on VW? > > David L > 847-848-4793 > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as 72spridget at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 15:59:02 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <499EB24F96794639869FACA92806E584@Home> Message-ID: <4B466736.5000308@comcast.net> Brad Fornal wrote: > I have two Nissans. Early in our marriage, my wife and I had an old > Datsun 310 that run for ever and ever. I even put together a second > 310, out of two wrecked ones, and it ran a long while also. When I > wanted something newer for the 70 mile drive every day, I settled on > Nissan, as I have had good luck with them. I have not, however; had > good luck with Fords, so I will never own another. > Franks opinion, I would guess, would be the exact opposite of mine.... > > I have had great luck with Fords. it's GM that I would not take if you gave it to me. Yes Jap cars run forever but none of them look like anything worth looking at. And the TV adds with people walking around a car staring at it, DUHHHH! And why are all jap car ads done by a pro driver on a closed road? I dread getting behind a Toyota, either they just don't move, handle, or the owners just can't drive. Besides, I DID own a Datsun, 1964 Datsun 410, What a POS but I did drive it to the junk yard. Jay, got a spare Nomex suit ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 16:05:07 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:05:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Dean Headin Message-ID: <37dc82d41001071505j4b521befi16835b639e34cd81@mail.gmail.com> Dean. Your box is full. . just to let you know I will be sending the bottle out tomorrow. . Thanks. . . .Kirk From wmgilroy at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 16:05:43 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:05:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <5F78A0B72938439BA73BAC4203E19F0F@OwnerPC> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <441250191001070115n6e14c529w5aef206e8bfd4909@mail.gmail.com> <5F78A0B72938439BA73BAC4203E19F0F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <441250191001071505g69a6f6cbq65c3b296a4e5b31@mail.gmail.com> My main beef is Check Engine Light. The CEL was on more times than I can count. My favorite was it was on and the fix was a "new version of firmware". I left the dealer and was about 5 miles away when it came back on again. One other time I was short on time because I was leaving NJ going to WA so I had the dealer fix a couple of things, a headlight that rattled and the CEL. Turns out they did nothing with the headlight, it still vibrated and the CEL was back on before I got to the 100 miles into PA. I call the dealer to complain about both items and I contacted VW America. Short story was by the time I got to WA I had put enough miles to be out of my warranty period. It was up to me to fix the issues at that point and VW refused to do anything I was more than pissed. I will never purchase their products again. Funny thing is the Outback is a very useful and versatile car and I love it. My wife's main complaint is that it has more road noise and does not ride as good as the VW and I agree. Tons of people lover their VW, but not me. I want my wife's car to need very little care, just routine maintenance and oil changes. -g On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Bud Osbourne wrote: > Bill, > Not meaning to "dis" you in any way, but, you don't mention if you bought > it new or used, how it was maintained and by whom it was maintained. This > is VERY critical information. Also "steaming pile" doesn't tell us anything > relevant. > As far as VW products are concerned: I just rolled past 296,000 miles last > week, with my '98 Golf (2.0 liter, 4 cyl. gas engine w/automatic). I bought > it new and have maintained it very meticulously via the same dealer I bought > it from and the same mechanic working on it every time it went in for > service. Aside from a fuel pump relay failure at around 250,000 miles and a > rear wheel bearing failure at around 180,000 miles (I now have wheel > bearings serviced at least once a year), it has never failed to get me to > where I needed to go. I am confident of another 300,000 miles with the car, > although I realize I will eventually need to replace the transmission (I > mean, how long can an automatic transmission last????). > Without a doubt, the weak link in any VW product is Bosch electrics. > Basically, they suck and have been of inferior engineering and quality since > the early eighties. I keep hearing rumors that BMW (more) and Mercedes > (less) are also having reliability issues due to Bosch electrics. Porsche > does not seem to be immune from this, either. > Subaru.......I wouldn't own one, but not because I don't think they are > good cars. I've driven plenty of them (my dealer is a VW/Subaru store & > their loaner fleet was all Subies) and just don't like them as much as the > VWs. > Bud Osbourne > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gilroy" > To: "Peter Caldwell" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C > > > My wife had a 2002 1.8T Passat. It seemed to be a steaming pile. It >> was a >> great day when we replaced the VW with an Outback. I would never buy >> another >> VW product and I would never, ever take a Passat for free! >> >> -g From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 16:27:34 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed In-Reply-To: <2110823914.9542551262901397573.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <242174237.9587961262906854154.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> that is the case. the "festiva" alternator does NOT fit the 74 midget. the 2 upper bracket are fine but the bottom one is so far out at 180 deg. from the top that it makes contact with the motor mount and cannot be attached to the lower bolt no matter what the span on the bottom bracket it would have to be shaped like a "w" to get over the motor mount. so I returned it and ordered another one from autozone since pep boys doesn't carry the fiesta from 19080 that does fit. I'll let you know how that works when I get it next week. Ryan '74 midget ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: "David Groundwater" , spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:27:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed Except Ryan doesn't have a "genny"... But, it IS a good expanantion. Peter C = At 02:50 PM 1/7/2010, David Groundwater wrote: >THere are lots of good sources on the net and in the archives. Frank is the >expert on the Festiva alternator. From his gospel out of the archives: > > > >"The Ford Festiva alternators are small, so are some Hondas. >Both jap alts. The wiring is simple, connect all the thick wires >together at the regulator, run the genny field wire from the alt to the >ignition light." > > The thick wire at the old genny end of things goes to the big output on the >alternator. One of the thin wires is the field wire that energizes the >alternator field. It runs through the red light on your dash and connects to >the field terminal on the alternator. It's the one labeled labeled "L" for >light. The one labeled "S" is the sense wire that tells the alternator the >system voltage. THis is a great explanation of how the remote voltage sense >feature works. Once you know how it works you can decide from where you want >the alternator to read the system voltage > > > >http://madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensing.shtml > > > >Dave > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:44:20 +0000 > > From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net > > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed > > > > I am converting from the original lucas alternator to an alternator from a >ford festiva. What I thought would be an unplug/replug wiring is not the case. >Has anybody done this on a 71-74 midget? there are 3 wires from the wiring >harness 2 thin and one thick. but there are multiple wire connections on the >alternator. one nut for the battery, a 2 wire plug labeled S and L, and >another small plug connector towards the bottom. > > Any ideas? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 17:00:47 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:00:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: <7800458607631626614@unknownmsgid> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net><42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC><20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com><4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> <7800458607631626614@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <10856.4236.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You better have the "Roll Tide" sticker on your car...... You'll meet all kinds of nice people!! ________________________________ From: David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> Cc: "spridgets at autox.team.net" Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 2:40:43 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott Stopped in Nashville at a shop of a friend of David Booker. Not an egnition problem. Injector wires on 4 & 5 were wet. Able to dry out 4, used WD40 on 5 now running on 5.5 cylinders past Berminham. Lousy mileage. David L Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:51, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote: > Check that the spark plugs wires are on the plugs and seated in the > dist > cap. Then check the colour on the plugs to see where the miss is. > Good luck. > ...bill in oregon > ================================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:12 AM > Cc: > Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott > > Don't have your e-mail with me. Limping south from Louisville to you > with a miss. Teach me to say nice things about my VR6! Know anyone > around there that works on VW? > > David L > 847-848-4793 > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as 72spridget at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From abcoz at hky.com Thu Jan 7 17:40:19 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:40:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <441250191001071505g69a6f6cbq65c3b296a4e5b31@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <441250191001070115n6e14c529w5aef206e8bfd4909@mail.gmail.com> <5F78A0B72938439BA73BAC4203E19F0F@OwnerPC> <441250191001071505g69a6f6cbq65c3b296a4e5b31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C7423F1BE342718C2719352B563536@OwnerPC> Yeah, the CEL has been an almost full-time feature of my Golf since about 60,000 miles (that's 236,000 miles of looking at the CEL). The Passat, on the other hand, never displayed the CEL, except for when the coil went bad. Really, I've learned not to pay any attention to the CEL in my Golf, so I no longer notice it. I've had it taken care of a few times, only to have it come back on after only a few miles/minutes of leaving the VW dealer. But, I was only charged for one scan, plus a token charge for whatever had to be done, the first time. Like I said, I've been very happy with my local VW dealer. They've managed to get it through emissions testing, each year, without having to charge me for fixing anything (and, emission-wise, there has never been anything wrong with the car, anyway). Like I said.......... I'm surprised to hear that VWoA refused to cover the CEL under warranty, since you would have been on record at your dealer as having the problem before the car went out of warranty. I'd be pissed, too. With my Golf, after some research, I told my dealer I could live with it, rather than have them constantly trying to extinguish it (they would have kept on trying, at their expense.....since I paid for it once and it didn't "hold".......but they'd have to get into some areas I really didn't want to disturb unless it was absolutely necessary (MAF, ECU.....some Bosch stuff is better off never being touched, as long as it works, 'cause it's bad juju for the rest of the car). Really, the only thing that I've been unhappy about, with our Passat, is the cost of brake service. It seems like every other brake pad change is accompanied by new rotors. I realize that, with the banning of certain friction materials, the wear factor on brake rotors is high, plus no one wants to risk cutting (re-surfacing) ventilated rotors, due to the corrosion issues (they corrode from inside, out). Also, in PA, they (mechanics performing state inspection) are required by law to replace rotors when they get below a certain percentage of original thickness. Our region's frequent use of very aggressive (read: corrosive) de-icing materials plays a major role in that equation (corroding from the inside). Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Gilroy To: Bud Osbourne Cc: Peter Caldwell ; spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C My main beef is Check Engine Light. The CEL was on more times than I can count. My favorite was it was on and the fix was a "new version of firmware". I left the dealer and was about 5 miles away when it came back on again. One other time I was short on time because I was leaving NJ going to WA so I had the dealer fix a couple of things, a headlight that rattled and the CEL. Turns out they did nothing with the headlight, it still vibrated and the CEL was back on before I got to the 100 miles into PA. I call the dealer to complain about both items and I contacted VW America. Short story was by the time I got to WA I had put enough miles to be out of my warranty period. It was up to me to fix the issues at that point and VW refused to do anything I was more than pissed. I will never purchase their products again. Funny thing is the Outback is a very useful and versatile car and I love it. My wife's main complaint is that it has more road noise and does not ride as good as the VW and I agree. Tons of people lover their VW, but not me. I want my wife's car to need very little care, just routine maintenance and oil changes. -g From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 18:34:24 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:34:24 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed References: <38672674.9440431262889860285.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <29299F3974444724A6C6CE797D958230@blackbox2> On the alternator... The alternator battery terminal goes to the physical battery + terminal via a thick wire. Terminal L goes to the grounded side of a dash indicator lamp. (The plus side of the lamp goes to the ignition switched hot lead). It is advisable to put a 2-5 amp fuse between the L terminal and the dash indicator lamp. Terminal S also needs battery voltage but it can be a small guage jumper wire from the alternator battery terminal. If you have an IGN terminal on the alternator then that goes to your ignition switch hot lead. Have your car's schematic handy while considering the above. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Spridgets] alternator conversion help needed >I am converting from the original lucas alternator to an alternator from a ford festiva. What I thought would be an unplug/replug >wiring is not the case. Has anybody done this on a 71-74 midget? there are 3 wires from the wiring harness 2 thin and one thick. >but there are multiple wire connections on the alternator. one nut for the battery, a 2 wire plug labeled S and L, and another >small plug connector towards the bottom. > Any ideas? From sales at justbrits.com Thu Jan 7 18:50:24 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:50:24 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <4B466736.5000308@comcast.net> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <499EB24F96794639869FACA92806E584@Home> <4B466736.5000308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B468F60.60308@justbrits.com> Huuummmm Frank, << Jay, got a spare Nomex suit >> As I told Jay via PM earlier today, I thought [now includes you] that he was born wearing one ?!?!? Shirley I can't be wrong ?!?!? Anon From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 7 19:34:32 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:34:32 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] paging Peter C In-Reply-To: <4B468F60.60308@justbrits.com> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net><42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC><20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com><4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC><499EB24F96794639869FACA92806E584@Home><4B466736.5000308@comcast.net> <4B468F60.60308@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <27F3426C3EA34FAAB593DFC4E6E8F538@spider> ...and don't call me Shirley. ========================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sales at " Just Brits " Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:50 PM To: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] paging Peter C Huuummmm Frank, << Jay, got a spare Nomex suit >> As I told Jay via PM earlier today, I thought [now includes you] that he was born wearing one ?!?!? Shirley I can't be wrong ?!?!? Anon _______________________________________________ From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 20:23:37 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:23:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: <201001070907356.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> <201001070907356.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <-8392003845728121602@unknownmsgid> Made it to Florida ok. #5 is still a bit iffy, but ok over 2000rpm. David L From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 07:43:22 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:43:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] HBD In-Reply-To: <877704.31217.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <877704.31217.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001080643g502854fercdfa7f3fbf24ef84@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > Happy birthday to the one and only Frank Clarici. May none of his important parts ever act like they were made in China. > > Us Ya know, I was gonna add something to this, but I couldn't. There just ain't nothin' left to say after that... Thanks, Ron! David L From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 07:52:26 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG Message-ID: Many of us grew up with Monty Python, Frank Zappa, guns, beer, etc... I had another musical influence in my life when I was a young child, Ray Stevens. In fact I STILL have the first and only 45 rpm record (any young'uns on here won't know what the hell that is) of his that I bought, The Streak. I personally found this song to be pretty relevant, but it will annoy lefties. So if you are lefty, or from another country, please delete, don't even bother watching... NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG!!! (Monty Python reference) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From jackson.skip at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 08:23:28 2010 From: jackson.skip at yahoo.com (Skip Jackson) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:23:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG Message-ID: <817510.37123.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm contributing TIME and $$$$ to my local CONSERVATIVE Rebublicans. Time is most important: phones, mailings, web, organize. Show the Saul Alinsky followers what real community organizing is. I'm working to retake my country. Skip J. From frogeye at cox.net Fri Jan 8 08:28:09 2010 From: frogeye at cox.net (frogeye) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Non LBC issue and request Message-ID: <42FB79AF18F141DE851E4788E62E9B74@maind> I just got a cell phone call from a list member who is helping a stranded couple from Quebec, Canada with a major truck issue on the highway. The list member speaks no French at all and the couple only speaks French. They are at a dealership right now having a new drain plug installed in a 5th wheel truck and trailer and he may need someone willing to speak to the couple on his cell phone to help them understand any repair issues or allow them to decide how to proceed. Any help appreciated Contact me off list frogeye at cox.net Thanks in advance Alan From jimndi at frontiernet.net Fri Jan 8 08:32:03 2010 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim Fournier) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] HBD References: <877704.31217.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001080643g502854fercdfa7f3fbf24ef84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF596EFF75F4510B9C0EA8442F4B1BA@MAINCOMPUTER> And Many Happy Returns to Frank....He must be almost forty by now J ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> To: "Spridgets" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HBD > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Ron Soave wrote: >> Happy birthday to the one and only Frank Clarici. May none of his >> important parts ever act like they were made in China. >> >> Us > > Ya know, I was gonna add something to this, but I couldn't. There just > ain't nothin' left to say after that... Thanks, Ron! > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.130/2607 - Release Date: 01/08/10 02:35:00 [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 08:44:11 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:44:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef431001080744o5767412bm1ed6ed65500212ac@mail.gmail.com> List, I bought a MIG cart from HB when I bought my new Lincoln figuring hell they can't do anything wrong with that. I checked the ones on the store floor and they looked pretty good at 1/2 the price of the Lincoln ones. I looked at it 6 months later in my garage and all the paint fell off in sheets. Yes they said the same thing to me 90 days only. I have to look at their products as throw away from now on. Good for maybe 1 day only if that. Lin On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Brad Fornal wrote: > I gotta say, forums are the best thing EVER!! > I know Frank loves to trash on Harbor Freight over their cheap ass > products. But Frank, there IS an answer... > I purchased a Harbor Freight receiver hitch bike rack from those > buggers early last year. My wife and I were taking our road bikes to > other places to ride fairly often. I made the mistake of leaving it > mounted on the Pathfinder, and as Frank knows, the rubber mounting > bits on the rack started rotting, and the velcro straps on it started > to crack the rubber and break it. > I emailed Harbor Freight, and received their patent reply of "we only > offer a 90 day warranty on this item". > I reply with "you offer lifetime warranty on hand tools, yet an item > that takes virtually NO stress gets 90 days?" > HF: We hope you understand that we can only follow our company policies > Me: I do understand, and I hope you will understand that I will be > recounting this experience on the bike forums to which I am a member. > No sense any members paying $40 for a rack that will rot away in about > 100 days" > > needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... > > > > -- > DON JULIO 1942 > > www.myspace.com/tequilabrad > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 08:53:07 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:53:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] I love internet forums In-Reply-To: <205cef431001080744o5767412bm1ed6ed65500212ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001080744o5767412bm1ed6ed65500212ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oddly enough, the pain is still on the MIG cart that I purchased. Brad On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > List, > I bought a MIG cart from HB when I bought my new Lincoln figuring hell they > can't do anything wrong with that. I checked the ones on the store floor and > they looked pretty good at 1/2 the price of the Lincoln ones. I looked at it > 6 months later in my garage and all the paint fell off in sheets. Yes they > said the same thing to me 90 days only. > I have to look at their products as throw away from now on. Good for maybe 1 > day only if that. > Lin > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Brad Fornal wrote: >> >> I gotta say, forums are the best thing EVER!! >> I know Frank loves to trash on Harbor Freight over their cheap ass >> products. But Frank, there IS an answer... >> I purchased a Harbor Freight receiver hitch bike rack from those >> buggers early last year. My wife and I were taking our road bikes to >> other places to ride fairly often. I made the mistake of leaving it >> mounted on the Pathfinder, and as Frank knows, the rubber mounting >> bits on the rack started rotting, and the velcro straps on it started >> to crack the rubber and break it. >> I emailed Harbor Freight, and received their patent reply of "we only >> offer a 90 day warranty on this item". >> I reply with "you offer lifetime warranty on hand tools, yet an item >> that takes virtually NO stress gets 90 days?" >> HF: We hope you understand that we can only follow our company policies >> Me: I do understand, and I hope you will understand that I will be >> recounting this experience on the bike forums to which I am a member. >> No sense any members paying $40 for a rack that will rot away in about >> 100 days" >> >> needless to say, my new parts arrived today..... >> >> >> >> -- >> DON JULIO 1942 >> >> www.myspace.com/tequilabrad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From jfishbein at snet.net Fri Jan 8 08:54:07 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:54:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG In-Reply-To: <817510.37123.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443995.7521.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'd rather be drivin' my car. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Skip Jackson wrote: I'm contributing TIME and $$$$ to my local CONSERVATIVE Rebublicans. Time is most important: phones, mailings, web, organize. Show the Saul Alinsky followers what real community organizing is. I'm working to retake my country. Skip J. From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 08:54:52 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:54:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG In-Reply-To: <817510.37123.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <817510.37123.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <696216.98399.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Right on, Skip! I'm on board with that.... If we are going to get soaked for any more tax dollars, how do we support our Spridget habit!! ________________________________ From: Skip Jackson To: spridget Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 7:23:28 AM Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG I'm contributing TIME and $$$$ to my local CONSERVATIVE Rebublicans. Time is most important: phones, mailings, web, organize. Show the Saul Alinsky followers what real community organizing is. I'm working to retake my country. Skip J. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From fastvee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 09:04:26 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:04:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG In-Reply-To: <817510.37123.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <522189.6979.qm@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Skip, Go for it, and maybe we'll see you on TV! Hopefully it is the last time you bring it up on this list!! There are enough political lists for that, and few things are more polarizing. I'm just sayin. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Skip Jackson wrote: I'm contributing TIME and $$$$ to my local CONSERVATIVE Rebublicans. Time is most important: phones, mailings, web, organize. Show the Saul Alinsky followers what real community organizing is. I'm working to retake my country. Skip J. From neilandcustom at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 09:10:01 2010 From: neilandcustom at gmail.com (Neil Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:10:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: <-8392003845728121602@unknownmsgid> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> <201001070907356.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <-8392003845728121602@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <002201ca907d$0a6e1a20$1f4a4e60$@com> David, You managed to get out of the snow storm we had yesterday, but looks like you'll be eating frozen oranges. Have a good time in Florida. Hope you brought a warm coat and get #5 sorted out. So, does this mean you won't make it to the Healey club meeting tonight? Neil Anderson -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:24 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott Made it to Florida ok. #5 is still a bit iffy, but ok over 2000rpm. David L Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as neilandcustom at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From abcoz at hky.com Fri Jan 8 09:27:06 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:27:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotta love Ray Stevens! My favorite local (now nationally syndicated) talk show hosts, Quinn & Rose (website: www.warroom.com), use a Ray Stevens song as the theme for their "tax heads-up" segments ("I believe if 10% is good enough for Jesus, then it oughta be enough for Uncle Sam"). Lefties should definitely avoid Quinn & Rose ("liberalism means standing on your head and telling the rest of the world it's upside-down"). NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG!!! Stevens is certainly a very creative & talented guy. Never bought any of his 45s, but I've always enjoyed his work. Thanks. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Fornal" To: "Spridget list" ; "Yahoo Spridget list" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - NEW RAY STEVENS SONG > Many of us grew up with Monty Python, Frank Zappa, guns, beer, etc... > I had another musical influence in my life when I was a young child, > Ray Stevens. In fact I STILL have the first and only 45 rpm record > (any young'uns on here won't know what the hell that is) of his that I > bought, The Streak. > I personally found this song to be pretty relevant, but it will annoy > lefties. So if you are lefty, or from another country, please delete, > don't even bother watching... > NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG!!! (Monty Python reference) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo > > -- > DON JULIO 1942 > > www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 10:27:11 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! Message-ID: <762540.38386.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just put in the nicely balanced (and straightened) driveshaft today and took her for a spin. It's amazing! I finally got the puppy up to 60 with minimal vibration. Probably could be smoother, but I'm not gonna complain. It's been one year and 3 months in the building and I finally feel confident driving it. I really want to thank all you guys for your input and support on getting me this far. Especially BillM, Rich Ball, Rick B and the other NW guys that pitched in throughout the process. I have a few little things to tweak and she'll be solid. I can't wait to tear it all apart and put in the 5 speed.... nah, I'll enjoy it for a while first. Thanks, guys! Ed and Amanda http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 10:29:02 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:29:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: <002201ca907d$0a6e1a20$1f4a4e60$@com> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> <201001070907356.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <-8392003845728121602@unknownmsgid> <002201ca907d$0a6e1a20$1f4a4e60$@com> Message-ID: <-5992726669289607665@unknownmsgid> Yup. I am missing the meeting (they join, then they are never seen again), as well as a good dance tomorrow night at U of C. #5 seems to be quite happy after sitting overnight and soaking up some cold FL sunshine this morning. Whew! David L From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 10:57:40 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:57:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Choke Cable Message-ID: Does anyone happen to have an original choke cable for a Sprite MkIII or Midget MkII in their parts bins? I thought I would ask before I bought a new one. I don't expect it for free (especially after the Ray Stevens song post. ) but hopefully can get it for less than new and save some $'s. Thanks for looking. Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From fastvee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 12:26:41 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:26:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! In-Reply-To: <762540.38386.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <931876.5938.qm@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well done Ed. I really like the white paint with black along the bottom. Is that Ford green on the engine? John Fogelsville, PA --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Edward Perez wrote: From: Edward Perez Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! To: Spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:27 PM I just put in the nicely balanced (and straightened) driveshaft today and took her for a spin. It's amazing! I finally got the puppy up to 60 with minimal vibration. Probably could be smoother, but I'm not gonna complain. It's been one year and 3 months in the building and I finally feel confident driving it. I really want to thank all you guys for your input and support on getting me this far. Especially BillM, Rich Ball, Rick B and the other NW guys that pitched in throughout the process. I have a few little things to tweak and she'll be solid. I can't wait to tear it all apart and put in the 5 speed.... nah, I'll enjoy it for a while first. Thanks, guys! Ed and Amanda http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From sales at justbrits.com Fri Jan 8 12:30:43 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:30:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mark Endicott In-Reply-To: <-5992726669289607665@unknownmsgid> References: <4B43D048.2020308@comcast.net> <42E9CB3D3C27425AB4BD8D4ACF90613F@OwnerPC> <20100106140812.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4FCDA98F94D0409095E5866DA93433C3@OwnerPC> <4571883210769472499@unknownmsgid> <201001070907356.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <-8392003845728121602@unknownmsgid> <002201ca907d$0a6e1a20$1f4a4e60$@com> <-5992726669289607665@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4B4787E3.8070601@justbrits.com> << #5 seems to be quite happy after sitting overnight and soaking up some cold FL sunshine this morning. Whew! >> Congrats, David. Woulda been a LONG trip home w/half bad one !! Get my PMs yesterday ref Mark ?? Ed From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 12:34:21 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! In-Reply-To: <931876.5938.qm@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <931876.5938.qm@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <267879.8480.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you, John... it's all original paint. it has a nice patina to it. A re-paint is in the plan, but not any time soon. It's Dupli Color Pontiac Blue.... ________________________________ From: fastvee To: Spridgets at autox.team.net; Edward Perez Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:26:41 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! Well done Ed. I really like the white paint with black along the bottom. Is that Ford green on the engine? John Fogelsville, PA --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Edward Perez wrote: >From: Edward Perez >Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! >To: Spridgets at autox.team.net >Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:27 PM > > >I just put in the nicely balanced (and straightened) driveshaft today and took her for a spin. It's amazing! I finally got the puppy up to 60 with minimal vibration. Probably could be smoother, but I'm not gonna complain. It's been one year and 3 months in the building and I finally feel confident driving it. I really want to > thank all you guys for your input and support on getting me this far. Especially BillM, Rich Ball, Rick B and the other NW guys that pitched in throughout the process. I have a few little things to tweak and she'll be solid. I can't wait to tear it all apart and put in the 5 speed.... nah, I'll enjoy it for a while first. Thanks, guys! > >Ed and Amanda >http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Fri Jan 8 21:33:29 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 23:33:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! References: <762540.38386.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7634A3EA7A66416DBF34723456AA8B8D@blackbox2> Looks good Ed. But I think you should put on air filters and maybe relocate the coil to the other side of the engine bay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! >I just put in the nicely balanced (and straightened) driveshaft today and took her for a spin. It's amazing! I finally got the >puppy up to 60 with minimal vibration. Probably could be smoother, but I'm not gonna complain. It's been one year and 3 months in >the building and I finally feel confident driving it. I really want to thank all you guys for your input and support on getting me >this far. Especially BillM, Rich Ball, Rick B and the other NW guys that pitched in throughout the process. I have a few little >things to tweak and she'll be solid. I can't wait to tear it all apart and put in the 5 speed.... nah, I'll enjoy it for a while >first. Thanks, guys! > > Ed and Amanda > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dlh2001 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 22:04:26 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:04:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! In-Reply-To: <7634A3EA7A66416DBF34723456AA8B8D@blackbox2> References: <762540.38386.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7634A3EA7A66416DBF34723456AA8B8D@blackbox2> Message-ID: <260427.45669.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks. I have the air filter on since those pics were taken. Moving the coil is on the list of things to do. When I put in the 5 speed, I'll move things around. To: Edward Perez ; Spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 8:33:29 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! Looks good Ed. But I think you should put on air filters and maybe relocate the coil to the other side of the engine bay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! > I just put in the nicely balanced (and straightened) driveshaft today and took her for a spin. It's amazing! I finally got the puppy up to 60 with minimal vibration. Probably could be smoother, but I'm not gonna complain. It's been one year and 3 months in the building and I finally feel confident driving it. I really want to thank all you guys for your input and support on getting me this far. Especially BillM, Rich Ball, Rick B and the other NW guys that pitched in throughout the process. I have a few little things to tweak and she'll be solid. I can't wait to tear it all apart and put in the 5 speed.... nah, I'll enjoy it for a while first. Thanks, guys! > > Ed and Amanda > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dlh2001 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 07:28:21 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:28:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NJ Craig's List 67 Sprite Message-ID: <4B489285.7010905@comcast.net> 67 AUSTIN HEALEY SPRITE Date: 2010-01-05, 10:12AM THIS CAR NEEDS TO BE COMPLETLY RESTORED , IT HAS BOTH THIS HARD TOP SHOWN IN THE PIC AND A CONVERTABLE TOP THAT COMES WITH IT , EXTRA TRANS , MATCHING TRU- KNOCK-OFF SPARE RIM WITH TIRE, HAS EVERYTHING FOR A COMPLETE RESTORATION ORIGIONAL ENGINE AND TRANS STILL IN CAR. EXELENT PARTS CAR OR A GREAT PROJECT TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH . CASH AND CARRY ONLY ! 1000.00/OBO * Location: BRIDGEWATER * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/1538201550.html From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 07:41:41 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:41:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header Message-ID: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one ceramic coated. I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out in the shop" when I call. Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the pond? Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers on long trips. I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From derf247 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 08:21:24 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:21:24 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001090721t2796c97apce85b2a08657d87@mail.gmail.com> I've read good things about Jet Hot. But, I try to use local people for coatings, if possible. Have you tried stealing a space shuttle tile and wedging it between the pipe and floor? I'd try the coating and if there is space, a thin stainless heat shield/insulator. Maybe some kind of air flow diverter to channel air to cool the area? The ceramic will help keep the heat in the header but the heat still has to go somewhere. From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 08:29:53 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:29:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] More HF Quality Message-ID: <4B48A0F1.7040107@comcast.net> So my son gave me a long tip blow gun for my birthday, a cheap horrible freight tool, he knows it's crap but it was in a box with some REAL SK tools and some chinese shit from HF like a magnetic dish and some other tools that have no electrical or moving parts. So I took the blow gun out of the package, squeezed the trigger and it broke off in my hand. So this chinese piece of shit lasted a whole 2 SECONDS! Yes I emailed them and yes I told them EXACTLY how I felt about their whole operation and yes I will take it back and demand the chink that made it so I can shove it up his ass. I want to know how a place like that can stay in business? Maybe I should start marketing animal dung with a fancy name because I know we as a country have been dumbed up so much that we will buy shit if it is marketed in a fancy box. From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 08:38:41 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:38:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: <5f00d9911001090721t2796c97apce85b2a08657d87@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> <5f00d9911001090721t2796c97apce85b2a08657d87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B48A301.9030203@comcast.net> derf wrote: > I've read good things about Jet Hot. But, I try to use local people > for coatings, if possible. > Have you tried stealing a space shuttle tile and wedging it between > the pipe and floor? > I'd try the coating and if there is space, a thin stainless heat > shield/insulator. > Maybe some kind of air flow diverter to channel air to cool the area? > I tried that, I have threaded studs welded to the floor but the shield rattled on the pipe, not enough clearance with a 1" lowered car, 1.75" pipe. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 9 08:41:59 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:41:59 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header Message-ID: Hi Frank, Did you want to ask APT a question about the Maniflow LCB or just purchase? For a question ask for David for a purchase ask for Lori or send an e-mail. You might find buying direct from Maniflow is no cheaper since you are not paying trade + shipping costs will be higher as it's a single parcel rather than one that come in a large batch. Don't know how apart from APT stock maniflow parts. Regards In a message dated 09/01/2010 14:52:45 GMT Standard Time, spritenut at comcast.net writes: I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one ceramic coated. I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out in the shop" when I call. Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the pond? Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers on long trips. I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 9 08:42:43 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:42:43 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header Message-ID: Into the exhaust system pipe and then out of the exhaust. In a message dated 09/01/2010 15:23:50 GMT Standard Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: The ceramic will help keep the heat in the header but the heat still has to go somewhere From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 08:49:34 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: <4B48A301.9030203@comcast.net> Message-ID: <314482.70240.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Squish in some Kaowool: http://www.atlantech1.com/products/product.aspx We use it on 1350F air lines off jet air compressors lines that need to be below 128F when touched. It also will not burn. If you can, wrap some aluminum sheet around it to keep it from getting wet - it DOES break down if it gets wet too much. In your case, it will probably be cool enough on the surface that you could use wire ties to fasten the Aluminum sheet. Ron --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Frank wrote: > From: Frank > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header > To: "derf" > Cc: "Spridgets" > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 9:38 AM > derf wrote: > > I've read good things about Jet Hot. But, I try > to use local people > > for coatings, if possible. > > Have you tried stealing a space shuttle tile and > wedging it between > > the pipe and floor? > > I'd try the coating and if there is space, a thin > stainless heat > > shield/insulator. > > Maybe some kind of air flow diverter to channel air to > cool the area? > > > I tried that, I have threaded studs welded to the floor but > the shield rattled on the pipe, not enough clearance > with a 1" lowered car, 1.75" pipe. From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 09:03:51 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:03:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More HF Quality In-Reply-To: <4B48A0F1.7040107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <700766.30168.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Frank wrote: > name because I know we as a country have been dumbed up so > much that we will buy shit if it is marketed in a fancy > box. Probably my favorite Onion article ever: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31049 Ron-san From derf247 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 09:13:04 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:13:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9911001090813w35843aabv37ab4927df061d74@mail.gmail.com> Yes, that was sorta my point. But, not all goes out the back. Some heat that was radiated from the header will be send upstream and the pipe and muffler will be hotter. > Into the exhaust system pipe and then out of the exhaust. From racerbob70 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 09:35:09 2010 From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:35:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More HF Quality Message-ID: <555165.14702.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Did anyone notice that the age old question "What do the Chinese call their dishes, saucers, cups and etc?" has been answered in the text. It was refered to by the Chinese worker as, drum roll please, "CHINA". Now you know!! --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Ron Soave wrote: From: Ron Soave Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More HF Quality To: "Spridgets" , "Frank" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:03 AM --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Frank wrote: > name because I know we as a country have been dumbed up so > much that we will buy shit if it is marketed in a fancy > box. Probably my favorite Onion article ever: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31049 Ron-san Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as racerbob70 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 09:37:59 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery Message-ID: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> List, I looked under my 62 Sprite to locate the problem fuel line and cannot find any rubber hose near the tank. As some of you recall I had a fuel problem in the fall where I had to put a soda bottle with fuel to my carbs to get Pinky home from a short drive. Some Lister's thought there was a cracked rubber fuel line sucking air near my tank but after crawling under with a mirror I see a hard steel line coming from the bottom of the fuel tank and that appears to stretch all the way to under the hood where I have replaced all the rubber fuel hoses. Before I pull the line and blow air (my other LBC had crap in the line that came out like a black snake with using compressed air) is there some curve I missed in the chassis which has an additional rubber section of hose? Or perhaps there is a gasket near the tank that is cracked allowing air to be sucked in? I looked through 4 Sprite books and 2 parts catalogs and did not find good enough info tracing the tank to the carbs in it's entirety. It is too cold to pull the lines out today but I hear it is going up to the 40's the end of next week although if I need parts then I should order them today. I was hoping to just pull a rubber hose out & replace it today but with all projects it is 10 times prep equals the job done. Thanks, Linda From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 9 09:39:11 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:39:11 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More HF Quality dung In-Reply-To: <4B48A0F1.7040107@comcast.net> References: <4B48A0F1.7040107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1F6B30D47CA04A8EB1B3ACCB3A753F65@spider> http://www.topix.com/news/weird/2009/11/sparkling-reindeer-dung-jewelry-sell s-at-ill-zoo http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/31/zoo-doo-ready-for-its-closeup/ ================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 7:30 AM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] More HF Quality . . . Maybe I should start marketing animal dung with a fancy name because I know we as a country have been dumbed up so much that we will buy shit if it is marketed in a fancy box. _______________________________________________ From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 09:39:18 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NJ Craig's List 67 Sprite In-Reply-To: <4B489285.7010905@comcast.net> References: <4B489285.7010905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef431001090839p33b379d1xbe1dd397fcdaf173@mail.gmail.com> Nice hardtop : ) On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Frank wrote: > 67 AUSTIN HEALEY SPRITE > > Date: 2010-01-05, 10:12AM > > THIS CAR NEEDS TO BE COMPLETLY RESTORED , IT HAS BOTH THIS HARD TOP > SHOWN IN THE PIC AND A CONVERTABLE TOP THAT COMES WITH IT , EXTRA TRANS > , MATCHING TRU- KNOCK-OFF SPARE RIM WITH TIRE, HAS EVERYTHING FOR A > COMPLETE RESTORATION ORIGIONAL ENGINE AND TRANS STILL IN CAR. EXELENT > PARTS CAR OR A GREAT PROJECT TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH . CASH AND CARRY ONLY > ! 1000.00/OBO > > * Location: BRIDGEWATER > * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other > commercial interests > > Original URL: http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/1538201550.html > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From richb at u.washington.edu Sat Jan 9 10:22:56 2010 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:22:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! References: <762540.38386.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D9B7D0ECD5F49AFB61835B19CFCDE90@m275laptop> Great news Ed! Now that you've got that fixed and the new top on, go out and get that new engine's rings seated in so we can really drive it. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! >I just put in the nicely balanced (and straightened) driveshaft today and >took her for a spin. It's amazing! I finally got the puppy up to 60 with >minimal vibration. Probably could be smoother, but I'm not gonna complain. >It's been one year and 3 months in the building and I finally feel >confident driving it. I really want to thank all you guys for your input >and support on getting me this far. Especially BillM, Rich Ball, Rick B >and the other NW guys that pitched in throughout the process. I have a few >little things to tweak and she'll be solid. I can't wait to tear it all >apart and put in the 5 speed.... nah, I'll enjoy it for a while first. >Thanks, guys! > > Ed and Amanda > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 10:26:49 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:26:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! In-Reply-To: <0D9B7D0ECD5F49AFB61835B19CFCDE90@m275laptop> References: <762540.38386.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0D9B7D0ECD5F49AFB61835B19CFCDE90@m275laptop> Message-ID: <487522.91921.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be working on that today! Looks like a great weekend to do it. ________________________________ From: Richard Ball To: Edward Perez ; Spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 9:22:56 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! Great news Ed! Now that you've got that fixed and the new top on, go out and get that new engine's rings seated in so we can really drive it. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: [Spridgets] FINALLY!! > I just put in the nicely balanced (and straightened) driveshaft today and took her for a spin. It's amazing! I finally got the puppy up to 60 with minimal vibration. Probably could be smoother, but I'm not gonna complain. It's been one year and 3 months in the building and I finally feel confident driving it. I really want to thank all you guys for your input and support on getting me this far. Especially BillM, Rich Ball, Rick B and the other NW guys that pitched in throughout the process. I have a few little things to tweak and she'll be solid. I can't wait to tear it all apart and put in the 5 speed.... nah, I'll enjoy it for a while first. Thanks, guys! > > Ed and Amanda > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:29:01 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:29:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Linda, I'm sorry, but I think you need to physically get under her, to "look up her skirt" if you get my drift. Our 68 wouldn't start, as the pump was not clicking. I got my floor jack out, put it under the right front leave spring mount, and raised it up as it would go. With it raised, I was able to get under the car, and get a look around. The line from the front, back to the pump, is metal, even up about 6" going to the pump. The hose curls up to the top of the sheet metal, then back down to the pump. If your Spridget is like most of them, the black fuel hose will blend in with the oil reside that coats the rear half of the car. There should also be a hose from your pump, back to the tank. Again, with all the oil coating, it will be difficult to see. Sorry, I just don't believe a mirror is sufficient for assessing your problem. Brad On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > List, > I looked under my 62 Sprite to locate the problem fuel line and cannot find > any rubber hose near the tank. As some of you recall I had a fuel problem in > the fall where I had to put a soda bottle with fuel to my carbs to get Pinky > home from a short drive. Some Lister's thought there was a cracked rubber > fuel line sucking air near my tank but after crawling under with a mirror I > see a hard steel line coming from the bottom of the fuel tank and that > appears to stretch all the way to under the hood where I have replaced all > the rubber fuel hoses. > > Before I pull the line and blow air (my other LBC had crap in the line that > came out like a black snake with using compressed air) is there some curve I > missed in the chassis which has an additional rubber section of hose? Or > perhaps there is a gasket near the tank that is cracked allowing air to be > sucked in? I looked through 4 Sprite books and 2 parts catalogs and did not > find good enough info tracing the tank to the carbs in it's entirety. It is > too cold to pull the lines out today but I hear it is going up to the 40's > the end of next week although if I need parts then I should order them > today. > > I was hoping to just pull a rubber hose out & replace it today but with all > projects it is 10 times prep equals the job done. > Thanks, > Linda > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 9 10:38:13 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:38:13 EST Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery Message-ID: <121a9.30b2ffc8.387a1905@aol.com> Once had the steel line chafe a small hole against the handbrake linkages over the back axle. In a message dated 09/01/2010 16:39:31 GMT Standard Time, grunthaner at gmail.com writes: I see a hard steel line coming from the bottom of the fuel tank and that From billmasq at hotmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:39:44 2010 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:39:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: Frank When I drove to Missouri I had bolted a small sheet of steel (3" x 48") to the top of my exhaust pipe and had very little heat at the floorboards. I just used 3 muffler clamps and it held fine. That and the coating would be a good combination. BillM > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:41:41 -0500 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header > > I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current > one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one > ceramic coated. > I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out > in the shop" when I call. > Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the > pond? > Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? > Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear > but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on > the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers > on long trips. > I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have > dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. > Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? > Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From conen at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 9 11:04:07 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:04:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] HF - animal dung Message-ID: <69159.43734.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> per Frank... >Maybe I should start marketing animal dung with a fancy name because I know we as a country have been dumbed up so much that we will buy shit if it is marketed in a fancy box. Tooo late; it's being done. Called "Black Kow - The mature manure" and it's good shit! Ed in NC :-) (bought the t-shirt, and the hat. :-) ) From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 9 11:11:53 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:11:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> Don't forget the jack stands before you get under her. ...bill in oregon ============================================================ -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Fornal Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:29 AM To: Linda Grunthaner Cc: Spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery Linda, I'm sorry, but I think you need to physically get under her, to "look up her skirt" if you get my drift. Our 68 wouldn't start, as the pump was not clicking. I got my floor jack out, put it under the right front leave spring mount, and raised it up as it would go. With it raised, I was able to get under the car, and get a look around. The line from the front, back to the pump, is metal, even up about 6" going to the pump. The hose curls up to the top of the sheet metal, then back down to the pump. If your Spridget is like most of them, the black fuel hose will blend in with the oil reside that coats the rear half of the car. There should also be a hose from your pump, back to the tank. Again, with all the oil coating, it will be difficult to see. Sorry, I just don't believe a mirror is sufficient for assessing your problem. Brad From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 9 11:35:28 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:35:28 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0AC8E9064C344951859AB43A946FF352@HomePC> Neil Anderson, don't you coat pipes, too? Do you have something similar to Jet Hot? What other coatings do you do? I'm going to need some coating on the headers for my MGB V8 conversion. The pipes are called block huggers and are a real tight fit. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Masquelier" Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:39 AM To: "spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header Frank When I drove to Missouri I had bolted a small sheet of steel (3" x 48") to the top of my exhaust pipe and had very little heat at the floorboards. I just used 3 muffler clamps and it held fine. That and the coating would be a good combination. BillM > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:41:41 -0500 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header > > I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current > one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one > ceramic coated. > I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out > in the shop" when I call. > Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the > pond? > Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? > Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear > but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on > the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers > on long trips. > I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have > dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. > Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? > Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From neilandcustom at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 12:21:43 2010 From: neilandcustom at gmail.com (Neil Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:21:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: <0AC8E9064C344951859AB43A946FF352@HomePC> References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> <0AC8E9064C344951859AB43A946FF352@HomePC> Message-ID: <000301ca9160$fc956ea0$f5c04be0$@com> Larry, Yes, I can do the silver, which gets polished to a very high gloss, a black coating and two colors of grey in metallic ceramic coatings. I will have some examples at the MG swap meet in Wheaton, IL at the end of February, one a LCB in silver. I can do powder coating of most any size and color part. There are coatings (mostly thermal barrier and anti-friction) for internal engine parts, but since I don't build engines, I haven't gotten into those. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Larry Daniels [mailto:ladaniels at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:35 PM To: Bill Masquelier; spridget list Cc: Neil Anderson Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header Neil Anderson, don't you coat pipes, too? Do you have something similar to Jet Hot? What other coatings do you do? I'm going to need some coating on the headers for my MGB V8 conversion. The pipes are called block huggers and are a real tight fit. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Masquelier" Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:39 AM To: "spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header Frank When I drove to Missouri I had bolted a small sheet of steel (3" x 48") to the top of my exhaust pipe and had very little heat at the floorboards. I just used 3 muffler clamps and it held fine. That and the coating would be a good combination. BillM > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:41:41 -0500 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header > > I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current > one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one > ceramic coated. > I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out > in the shop" when I call. > Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the > pond? > Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? > Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear > but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on > the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers > on long trips. > I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have > dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. > Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? > Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From wmgilroy at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 13:41:46 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:41:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <441250191001091241x48e4b59j4a7451e27ab5f238@mail.gmail.com> For coatings I like http://swaintech.com/ -g On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Frank wrote: > I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current one > is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one ceramic > coated. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sat Jan 9 16:29:22 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:29:22 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: I used Cermakrome from a local company. It did decrease the footwell temperature in my opinion, and the car does run much better due to under bonnet temps being lower ... but I can't say about the floorboards as I sit on the right side. Maniflow header and intake were from APT. I was unaware at the time that they would also ceramic coat it, or I would have used their service. http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/Intake009.jpg I seem to recall that I had a bit of an issue with emails as I was emailing David and he was out of the country for a bit visiting family in the UK, I believe. I would certainly recommend dealing with him. YMMV, but for me, he was A1+++. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen ) PS: I haven't had much opportunity to drive the 100 in the heat. In that one I do sit over the exhaust. If there is a problem ( which I do anticipate ) I will use ceramic coating on the manifold. > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:41:41 -0500 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header > > I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current > one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one > ceramic coated. > I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out > in the shop" when I call. > Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the > pond? > Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? > Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear > but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on > the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers > on long trips. > I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have > dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. > Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? > Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From frog.aye at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 17:32:24 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:32:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header In-Reply-To: References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4333f8141001091632o36304765o74b0cbddc57942b0@mail.gmail.com> Frank, I just had Swain Technology coat my LCB header. Something they call white lightning. Don't know how effective it is, but it seems tough. Very hard and kinda rough, like 60 grit sandpaper. For the manifold itself, check with MiniSpares. I purchased "MANIFOLD SPRITE LCB LM031"(104.40 BSP) from them, got it in less than a week, and spent significantly less for it than the APT price (it cost me $228 to my door). I was surprised that it wasn't a very big package as they simply wrapped it in several layers if cardboard and mylar tape. MiniSpares are quick to respond via email and quick to ship. OTOH, they don't stock the large bore LCB ("MANIFOLD SPRITE LARGE BORE LCB LM033 CUSTOMER ORDER ONLY") and it shows up much more expensive than the one I got at 181.25BSP. According to Vizard, unless you're squeezing quite a bit of power out of the engine the smaller manifold will work very well. YMMV. Shipping was not as expensive as I would have thought and MiniSpares will quote up front so you know what you are in for. I have very good service from APT and don't have any qualms about purchasing from them, but the price difference was pretty large. BTW, the prices on their web site are not very current so I always reccomend calling them to confirm price and availability. Hal On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:29 PM, wrote: > I used Cermakrome from a local company. It did decrease the footwell > temperature in my opinion, and the car does run much better due to under > bonnet temps being lower ... but I can't say about the floorboards as I sit > on > the right side. > > > > Maniflow header and intake were from APT. I was unaware at the time that > they > would also ceramic coat it, or I would have used their service. > > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/Intake009.jpg > > > > I seem to recall that I had a bit of an issue with emails as I was emailing > David and he was out of the country for a bit visiting family in the UK, I > believe. I would certainly recommend dealing with him. YMMV, but for me, > he > was A1+++. > > > Robert Duquette > Ottawa ON Canada > 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) > 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) > 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen ) > > > > PS: I haven't had much opportunity to drive the 100 in the heat. In that > one > I do sit over the exhaust. If there is a problem ( which I do anticipate ) > I > will use ceramic coating on the manifold. > > > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:41:41 -0500 > > From: spritenut at comcast.net > > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header > > > > I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current > > one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one > > ceramic coated. > > I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out > > in the shop" when I call. > > Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the > > pond? > > Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? > > Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear > > but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on > > the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers > > on long trips. > > I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have > > dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. > > Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? > > Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? > > > > -- > > Frank Clarici > > Toms River, NJ > > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sat Jan 9 19:35:32 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:35:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header References: <4B4895A5.8050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2D9637B8B1F643F697CC8FEF19C1E039@leovs802bt6yj7> This company does LOTS of temperture control coatings for NASCAR cars and drag cars. They teflon coted my rear springs also. Great workmanship and a call to them is worth the time. http://www.polydyn.com/ Leo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header >I want to purchase a new Maniflow LCB header for my Sprite. My current > one is aging out at 10 years old or so and I want to get the new one > ceramic coated. > I have called and emailed APT but nobody replys and they are always "out > in the shop" when I call. > Does anybody know if anyone else carries this item on this side of the > pond? > Or should I go directly to Maniflow, UK? > Also, I have spoke to Jet Hot coatings, they told me what I want to hear > but I want to make sure ceramic coated headers will in fact cut down on > the heat on the Sprite floorboard as I am tired of melting my sneakers > on long trips. > I already have the duramat under the rubber mat and that may have > dropped the footwell temp by 2* but my sneakers still melt. > Do you think the coating will keep the floorboard cooler? > Are you guys happy with Jet Hot? > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as 60bugeye at cebridge.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2608 - Release Date: 01/08/10 19:35:00 From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 9 20:23:29 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:23:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> Message-ID: <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> << Don't forget the jack stands before you get under her. ...bill in oregon >> Lin whilst that IS directed at YOU it is ALSO a STERN "Tsk, Tsk" to Brad as he OMITTED saying he used/didn't use jack stand(s) !! NEVER, I repeat NEVER get even close to being UNDER any car without at least *A* jack stand !!!! NEVER 'trust' JUST a jack !!! The life you ruin could be your own !!! NOT good. Ed From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 20:26:42 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 21:26:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> Message-ID: tsk tsk accepted, as I did not use a jack stand whilst 'looking up her skirt" B On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Sales at " Just Brits " wrote: > << Don't forget the jack stands before you get under her. > ...bill in oregon >> > > Lin whilst that IS directed at YOU it is ALSO a > STERN "Tsk, Tsk" to Brad as he OMITTED saying > he used/didn't use jack stand(s) !! > > NEVER, I repeat NEVER get even close to being > UNDER any car without at least *A* jack stand !!!! NEVER 'trust' JUST a jack > !!! > > The life you ruin could be your own !!! B NOT good. > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 20:34:19 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> Sales at " Just Brits " wrote: > > > NEVER, I repeat NEVER get even close to being > UNDER any car without at least *A* jack stand !!!! NEVER 'trust' JUST > a jack !!! > > The life you ruin could be your own !!! NOT good. > Listen to Ed for a change. This is not only good advice, it is the ONLY choice you should make. I have faithfully used at least 1 jack stand when ever a car is jacked up if I intend to go under it ever since a 66 Sprite fell on me many years ago. My neighbor 2 doors down heard the thud and my moan and promptly ran over to help. Although a Sprite will not hurt that much when it falls on you (depending on your belly size) Use a jack stand because the diff and the concrete may be in the way of your head. Also Never EVER use an incandescent light bulb when working on any fuel system. Today a battery powered LED drop light or a fluorescent hand held lamp or even a flashlight will work and the bulb has no chance of breaking on the floor where the gas fumes are. From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 9 20:55:38 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:55:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> Frank, you and I have known each other for a good while which makes me STRONGLY suspicious & curious regarding: Also Never EVER use an incandescent light bulb when working on any fuel system. Today a battery powered LED drop light or a fluorescent hand held lamp or even a flashlight will work and the bulb has no chance of breaking on the floor where the gas fumes are. There just HAS to be a 'story' there !?!?!?!? So fess up !! From richb at u.washington.edu Sat Jan 9 21:16:57 2010 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:16:57 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com><116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider><4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <08B29BFB97014E08A430AE8819CCFC25@m275laptop> Jack stands? Who needs Jackstands? Just grab a hunk of wood and go to it. http://993c4s.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jack-truck.jpg Ok, No really, get your self a set of jackstands. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 9 21:34:22 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:34:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> Sales at " Just Brits " wrote: > > > Also Never EVER use an incandescent light bulb when working on any > fuel system. > > There just HAS to be a 'story' there !?!?!?!? > So fess up !! Local car guy working on his classic Mustang (I think) fuel lines under the car. Drop light fell off, gas caught fire from light bulb break, classic mustang, late model BMW in the other bay, and him were all burned pretty good. I did not know the guy but it was right here in town next door to one of Tiffany's friends. I did read it in the paper. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Jan 9 22:59:23 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 21:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> Message-ID: <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In '81 I was living in Kaysville, UT - I'd been layed off! I passed the time by taking a welding course at the local community college down the road. On my walk there, I use to pass this guy working on mid-size car - can't remember the brand. It was usually up on a jack and He was usually under it. One afternoon,on my was back frpm class, I noticed he was still under it. I stopped to see if I could help - the car had come off the jack and the transmission had crushed his chest - DOA! I *always* use at least 4 jack-stands --- I'm chicken! Dave G. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 23:43:06 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:43:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> And wheel chocks. Jack stands are fine, but there always seems to be a little grade which might allow the car to roll off the stands if you don't have all 4 in the air. Get yerseff a cat and freeze it. Wonderful wheel chock. Aand when you're done, Brad has a hungry snake you can feed the cat to. Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:59 PM, DAVID GROPPER wrote: > In '81 I was living in Kaysville, UT - I'd been layed off! > > I passed the time by taking a welding course at the local community college > down the road. > On my walk there, I use to pass this guy working on mid-size car - can't > remember the brand. > It was usually up on a jack and He was usually under it. > One afternoon,on my was back frpm class, I noticed he was still under it. > I stopped to see if I could help - the car had come off the jack and the > transmission had crushed his chest - DOA! > I *always* use at least 4 jack-stands --- I'm chicken! > > Dave G. From grday at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 03:54:33 2010 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:54:33 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: fuel line mystery References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com><116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider><4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net><4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5B87A9343386497B9580BDA583E92290@user8634b3d69b> Similar stories about a guy with a commercial garage in the Lake District (UK) who had a jack failure that came down crushing his head just a little and left him a cabbage. Another was a school friend, a farmers' son working under his Mini in the yard outside the house whilst I was having a 'brew' and natter with his father. As I was leaving I noted the car was lower than it was but his legs were still pointing out from underneath. There was no reply to my shouted 'Bye William.' He was trapped and couldn't get enough breath to speak, only to live. I lifted the car with a handy piece of 4x4 fence post lying at the edge of the yard (younger and fitter in those days) and his father pulled him out. This taught me a couple of things - (1) Use additional stands (2) Work far enough away from away from a wall so others have room to manoeuvre. He was close to a building and that made it harder to recover him. Even changing a wheel means the car has to be chocked up with something to augment the jack. I *always* use at least 4 jack-stands --- I'm chicken! I'm squawking as well Dave.... Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID GROPPER" To: Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:59 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: fuel line mystery > In '81 I was living in Kaysville, UT - I'd been layed off! > > I passed the time by taking a welding course at the local community > college down the road. > On my walk there, I use to pass this guy working on mid-size car - can't > remember the brand. > It was usually up on a jack and He was usually under it. > One afternoon,on my was back frpm class, I noticed he was still under it. > I stopped to see if I could help - the car had come off the jack and the > transmission had crushed his chest - DOA! > I *always* use at least 4 jack-stands --- I'm chicken! > > Dave G. From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 10 06:43:25 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:43:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com><116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider><4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> Message-ID: Oh yes, on using a fluorescent hand-held lamp when working (around fuel.) We should do these reality checks every January. ...bill in oregon ======================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 7:34 PM To: sales at justbrits.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery . . . Today, a battery powered LED drop light or a fluorescent hand held lamp or even a flashlight will work and the bulb has no chance of breaking on the floor where the gas fumes are. _______________________________________________ From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Jan 10 09:29:40 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:29:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> As a matter of interest... has anyone got a favorite way of stopping the car from maybe 'rocking' when it's up on 4 jacks?? My old Jag saloon was heavy enough not to do that; but the little sprite ain't that heavy! Dave G. ________________________________ From: Jim Johnson And wheel chocks. Jack stands are fine, but there always seems to be a little grade which might allow the car to roll off the stands if you don't have all 4 in the air. Get yerseff a cat and freeze it. Wonderful wheel chock. Aand when you're done, Brad has a hungry snake you can feed the cat to. From hgmiller3 at qwest.net Sun Jan 10 09:43:39 2010 From: hgmiller3 at qwest.net (Herbert Miller) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:43:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> Go to local home repair store or lumberyard and buy a pack of tapered wood shims. They are used to plumb door and window frames. Apply one or more between offending jack stand and car frame. Light tap with a hammer and everything will be snug. Herb Miller -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVID GROPPER Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:30 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) As a matter of interest... has anyone got a favorite way of stopping the car from maybe 'rocking' when it's up on 4 jacks?? My old Jag saloon was heavy enough not to do that; but the little sprite ain't that heavy! Dave G. ________________________________ From: Jim Johnson And wheel chocks. Jack stands are fine, but there always seems to be a little grade which might allow the car to roll off the stands if you don't have all 4 in the air. Get yerseff a cat and freeze it. Wonderful wheel chock. Aand when you're done, Brad has a hungry snake you can feed the cat to. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as hgmiller3 at qwest.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/10/10 01:35:00 From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 10 09:44:00 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:44:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com><116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider><4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net><4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net><839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com><43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35F3365658C241328EC082E403D57032@spider> I have a pair of 1969 jack stands that are not the same exact height. I just deal with it. Forces me to double check the places where I put them. ...bill ============================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVID GROPPER Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) As a matter of interest... has anyone got a favorite way of stopping the car from maybe 'rocking' when it's up on 4 jacks?? My old Jag saloon was heavy enough not to do that; but the little sprite ain't that heavy! Dave G. From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Jan 10 09:47:07 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:47:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> Message-ID: <897016.95325.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks, Herb. Never thought of that. Doh! Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- From: Herbert Miller Go to local home repair store or lumberyard and buy a pack of tapered wood shims. They are used to plumb door and window frames. Apply one or more between offending jack stand and car frame. Light tap with a hammer and everything will be snug. From abcoz at hky.com Sun Jan 10 10:15:26 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery In-Reply-To: <08B29BFB97014E08A430AE8819CCFC25@m275laptop> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com><116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider><4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com><4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <08B29BFB97014E08A430AE8819CCFC25@m275laptop> Message-ID: <0AFB53B66AE34DB390C4E8A2419D31FC@OwnerPC> And concrete blocks should never be substituted for proper jack stands. They have been know to break/crumble. I've been working this winter under a pair of VW Quantum Syncro station wagons, each supported by four stout, steel jack stands. While I was putting one of them (the rust-free parts car that has no title :( ) up on stands, back in November, it fell off the stands (long story, but has to do with lack of LF suspension). No damage done, as I was (and always am) well clear of the car as I operate the jack, but it sure got my attention!! First time in 46 years of working on cars that I've had one fall off of anything. Amazing how quickly they drop.......on chance to escape, if you happen to be underneath. But, as I said, no damage done, and I easily jacked it up, again, and repositioned the stands on the opposite side, to facilitate the lift I was making on the other side, with the jack. When I'm working under these two behemoths (compared to a Spridget), I'm always mindful of any application of force I use and how it might effect their stability on the stands. But I'm just as careful when working under a Spridget, because a Spridget, due to it's very light weight (but still more than heavy enough to crush the life out of anyone it falls on), can more easily be moved sideways, upsetting the jack stands & allowing the car to fall. Bottom line is that one can never be too careful. BTW, in my garage, there is one other hazard to working under a car, on a creeper: One of my garage cats has discovered that it's great sport to sneak up behind me, grab a mouthful of hair & give it a good, hard jerk, then run away. He's pretty indiscriminate as to who's hair he pulls, too. A perfect stranger (to him) is just as much fun as his personal human. The only way to thwart the little bastard is by getting a haircut, which will keep him away for a few weeks (short hair just doesn't seem to interest him). And, yes, obviously this cat is allowed to get away with way too much........ Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ball" To: Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] fuel line mystery > Jack stands? Who needs Jackstands? Just grab a hunk of wood and go to > it. > http://993c4s.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jack-truck.jpg > > Ok, No really, get your self a set of jackstands. > > Rich Ball > '76 Midget > Everett, WA From abcoz at hky.com Sun Jan 10 10:22:45 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:22:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com><116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider><4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net><4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net><839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com><43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com><367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> Message-ID: <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> Good way of doing it, Herb, particularly if you have an uneven floor or unequal height jack stands. Actually, I always use a small, hardwood block between the car and the jack stand. It makes slippage of the car off the jack stands much less likely. That QSW that I mentioned in a previous post as having fallen off the stands, as I was jacking one side, would not have been able to slip off if I'd had the hardwood blocks in place. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Miller" To: "'DAVID GROPPER'" ; Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) > Go to local home repair store or lumberyard and buy a pack of tapered wood > shims. They are used to plumb door and window frames. > Apply one or more between offending jack stand and car frame. Light tap > with > a hammer and everything will be snug. > > Herb Miller From thcollin at mtu.edu Sun Jan 10 10:54:05 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:54:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands Message-ID: <87d24a$7iqd5q@email.mtu.edu> Many, many years ago - maybe decades ago - I purchased a set of "muffler pipe" style jack stands with the specific intent of testing them to failure. At the university I had access to a 120,000 Lb Tinius Olsen universal test machine (http://www.tiniusolsen.com/) to run the test. Think of this machine as a BIG bearing press with instrumentation. The jack stands were the type made of muffler tubing - splayed legs held with a small strap of steel to keep them from spreading. An inner pipe has a cradle on top and usually 3 height adjustments holes through which a pin is placed to make the adjustment. Something like these - only these are better http://www.danoland.com/nsxgarage/tools/jackstand.jpg. The ones I tested had the base strap installed about 1" above the floor and the 3 legs weren't beveled to sit flat on the floor. Here's what I found. 1) The jacks were able to hold their rated capacity with no problem. 2) They exceeded their rated capacity - I can't remember by how much. 3) When they began to fail, the failure was not catastrophic. There was plenty of warning that the load was too great. The jacks slowly buckled when they did fail. The spotwelds held. The adjustment (which was in double shear) did not fail. The holes in the tubing did begin to elongate - another warning of excessive load. 4) The jacks rested on 6 points on the legs since the legs weren't beveled to sit flat on the floor. Those points buckled early in the failure - a sign of excessive load. Overall there was plenty of warning that failure was about to happen. SAFE BUT . . . 1) The load on the jack was applied slowly - no sudden impact which could have changed how they failed. 2) I only tested 2 jacks out of the thousands made and the considerable number of variations on how they were built. 3) The Tinius Olsen machine held the jacks squarely - no uneven floor to introduce odd ball loading. Conclusion. These were about the cheapest jacks made in the day yet they did the job. Just now I had a hard time finding a picture of the jacks - the danoland.com site above. All the jack stands that came up had better design features than did the muffler tubing jack stands. This doesn't mean the materials or workmanship is OK - just that the basic designs today look better to me. Finally, don't ever use a concrete block as a jack stand. Concrete is very weak in tension and will fail suddenly under a relatively small load. When loaded on the face of the block the concrete is in tension. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Jan 10 11:15:12 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:15:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> Message-ID: > Actually, I always use a small, hardwood block between the car and the > jack stand. Why hardwood? I use ordinary pieces of 2x4 which are soft enough to allow the metal to sink in a bit, giving a better bite. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:24:11 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:24:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001101024g3e7ca219xa94f78b69ba2bce2@mail.gmail.com> Put the car up on drywall mud buckets. Ask Frank ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Bud Osbourne wrote: > Good way of doing it, Herb, particularly if you have an uneven floor or > unequal height jack stands. > Actually, I always use a small, hardwood block between the car and the jack > stand. It makes slippage of the car off the jack stands much less likely. > That QSW that I mentioned in a previous post as having fallen off the > stands, as I was jacking one side, would not have been able to slip off if > I'd had the hardwood blocks in place. > Bud Osbourne > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Miller" > To: "'DAVID GROPPER'" ; > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) > > > > Go to local home repair store or lumberyard and buy a pack of tapered wood >> shims. They are used to plumb door and window frames. >> Apply one or more between offending jack stand and car frame. Light tap >> with >> a hammer and everything will be snug. >> >> Herb Miller >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Jan 10 11:30:02 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:30:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake servos Message-ID: <244B769F6EBA49758AA1BAC795AFABDE@Home> Any thoughts good or bad about brake servos? MiniSpares has one on sale for less than half of the VB price. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 11:37:59 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:37:59 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands Message-ID: I also tend to place spare wheels and tyres under the sills (5.5" spridget wheel and 175 tyre) if I'd doing any spannering. This is because while the car was on jack stands I managed to rock the car such that it almost fell of the stands. My Spridget is lowered and so when it's on the deck there isn't room for me to be underneath it. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 10/01/2010 06:26:56 GMT Standard Time, kk7ss at verizon.net writes: I *always* use at least 4 jack-stands --- I'm chicken! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 11:42:10 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:42:10 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Brake servos Message-ID: Nees to be the remote type and not late Mini integral with with master cylinder of that design. In a message dated 10/01/2010 18:35:25 GMT Standard Time, mdrowe at optonline.net writes: Any thoughts good or bad about brake servos? MiniSpares has one on sale for less than half of the VB price. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 10 11:55:57 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:55:57 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5107816412AB4BD3AA4C124EE989642D@spider> Yes; under a car is a good place to store the wheels if you've got them off or a raised end. Keeps you from tripping over them with you hands full of brake parts. ...bill in oregon =============================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:38 AM To: kk7ss at verizon.net; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands I also tend to place spare wheels and tyres under the sills (5.5" spridget wheel and 175 tyre) if I'd doing any spannering. This is because while the car was on jack stands I managed to rock the car such that it almost fell of the stands. My Spridget is lowered and so when it's on the deck there isn't room for me to be underneath it. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 10/01/2010 06:26:56 GMT Standard Time, kk7ss at verizon.net writes: I *always* use at least 4 jack-stands --- I'm chicken! _______________________________________________ From biffjones at verizon.net Sun Jan 10 12:04:09 2010 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:04:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC but a small motor Message-ID: I have a poser for the list concerning my ATV. It took me awhile to discover this problem but it has me baffled all the same. I have been trying to get the motor running right for some time and have been replacing bits along the way. I would get it running but after 5 - 10 minutes it would start missing and then I would lose all spark. I've checked or replaced all the electronics, stator, voltage regulator, CDI box (ouch), and coil. What I finally discovered was when I lose all spark the problem is at the end of the coil wire from the coil to the sparkplug plug. The plug end has one of those screw in hard plastic caps and when I lose spark and unscrew the plug cap the copper wires inside where the screw goes into the coil wire are all scorched and broken/burned off for a 1/4" or more. I've shortened the coil wire until I get clean copper wire but after running again for a few minutes the wire is again all blackened and broken. What could be the cause of this? At first I thought it might be the coil but after testing it cold and hot the readings are to spec. I am open to any suggestions. Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite in the "Healey Book" http://sprites2.homestead.com/ [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sun Jan 10 12:12:27 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:12:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] rear dick brake conversion Message-ID: <08821938881E49D192335003D54FC052@leovs802bt6yj7> are there any kits out to install rear disc's on to a spridget rear end housing? Leo From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 10 12:25:28 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:25:28 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC but a small motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CA8E2ED863F48EE9FCBDE73E92C558E@spider> I would guess that this is the point of highest resistance in the circuit. You get heat which just makes it worse. I have never heard of this so don't have an answer. Maybe try a different (non-China) cap and/or plug wires? ...bill in oregon ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Biff Jones Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:04 AM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC but a small motor I have a poser for the list concerning my ATV. It took me awhile to discover this problem but it has me baffled all the same. I have been trying to get the motor running right for some time and have been replacing bits along the way. I would get it running but after 5 - 10 minutes it would start missing and then I would lose all spark. I've checked or replaced all the electronics, stator, voltage regulator, CDI box (ouch), and coil. What I finally discovered was when I lose all spark the problem is at the end of the coil wire from the coil to the sparkplug plug. The plug end has one of those screw in hard plastic caps and when I lose spark and unscrew the plug cap the copper wires inside where the screw goes into the coil wire are all scorched and broken/burned off for a 1/4" or more. I've shortened the coil wire until I get clean copper wire but after running again for a few minutes the wire is again all blackened and broken. What could be the cause of this? At first I thought it might be the coil but after testing it cold and hot the readings are to spec. I am open to any suggestions. Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite in the "Healey Book" http://sprites2.homestead.com/ From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 12:34:04 2010 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:34:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) Message-ID: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, DAVID GROPPER wrote: has anyone got a favorite way of stopping the car from maybe 'rocking' when it's up on 4 jacks?? David, I have a friend in the MG club here on Long Island that absolutely swears by this trick. He welds a steel plate - maybe 15 to 18 inches square - onto the bottom of his jackstands. I used his set when we pulled the engine last summer because he says he won't work on a car sitting on normal stands like mine anymore. To demonstrate the stability of his alterations, he shoved and pulled violently on the car after it was up there. It was a bit scary as I didn't know he was about to do this, but I was really impressed. I think you could have backed into the car with my Mazda and not knocked it off those stands. I have not yet altered my stands, but really think I will next time I'm around some friend with a welder. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sun Jan 10 12:46:55 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:46:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Revision : rear disc brake conversion Message-ID: skip the remarks on my first post :) does anyone know of a rear disc conversion for spridget rear end housings? Leo From neilandcustom at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 13:11:50 2010 From: neilandcustom at gmail.com (Neil Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Revision : rear disc brake conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301ca9231$26f9fa50$74edeef0$@com> Two that I know of are: http://www.spridget.com/ http://www.petermayengineering.co.uk/ Neil Anderson -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Leo S Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:47 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Revision : rear disc brake conversion skip the remarks on my first post :) does anyone know of a rear disc conversion for spridget rear end housings? Leo Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as neilandcustom at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Jan 10 13:31:21 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:31:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001101024g3e7ca219xa94f78b69ba2bce2@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> <43840a7e1001101024g3e7ca219xa94f78b69ba2bce2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4A3919.2020308@comcast.net> Jim Johnson wrote: > Put the car up on drywall mud buckets. Ask Frank ;-) > It does work well and holds a Sprite for months, infact, the same bucket has held many Sprites being restored. If a spackle bucket can hold the corner of my cousin's house up while he repairs the foundation, it will hold a Sprite. I use 1 bucket under the front cross member, and 2 jack stands at the leaf spring supports while the car is under restoration. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Jan 10 13:30:28 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Need a weber Message-ID: <38C27260-6C14-4D26-9133-71A8F157D7A1@phillymgclub.com> Anyone have a DGV and manifold to fit a 1500 Midget?? My other daughters SO has a 1979 Midget that needs a carb to replace the POS Zenith-Stromberg. Trust me, for him the Weber is a better idea than trying to go SU's Thanx Larry Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 13:35:31 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:35:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] rear dick brake conversion In-Reply-To: <08821938881E49D192335003D54FC052@leovs802bt6yj7> References: <08821938881E49D192335003D54FC052@leovs802bt6yj7> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001101235n7bd2ee11y588bae7a6575a63b@mail.gmail.com> Leo, I'm not touching your subject line with a 10 foot pole..... Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Leo S <60bugeye at cebridge.net> wrote: > are there any kits out to install rear disc's on to a spridget rear end > housing? > > Leo > > _ From george.brokaw at cox.net Sun Jan 10 14:37:50 2010 From: george.brokaw at cox.net (Paul Herder) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:37:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] CISCO ad on FOX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201ca923d$28cb4170$7a61c450$@brokaw@cox.net> Just saw a CISCO ad with a blue Midget! And yes, I have the pregame on but not listening to itb& Paul From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 10 14:45:46 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:45:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] CISCO ad on FOX In-Reply-To: <001201ca923d$28cb4170$7a61c450$@brokaw@cox.net> References: <001201ca923d$28cb4170$7a61c450$@brokaw@cox.net> Message-ID: Been on for months; Lunenburg. ...bill in oregon -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Herder Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:38 PM To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com; 'spridgets list' Subject: [Spridgets] CISCO ad on FOX Just saw a CISCO ad with a blue Midget! And yes, I have the pregame on but not listening to itb& Paul From dwramsey at att.net Sun Jan 10 14:55:51 2010 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:55:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands In-Reply-To: <87d24a$7iqd5q@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> Who cares by the time the cinder blocks fail, you're down the road with your new set of wheels and tires. Crash Finally, don't ever use a concrete block as a jack stand. Concrete is very weak in tension and will fail suddenly under a relatively small load. When loaded on the face of the block the concrete is in tension. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From nigel.hales at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 15:35:47 2010 From: nigel.hales at gmail.com (nigel.hales at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:35:47 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] HF - animal dung Message-ID: UtyyeytThtwWuiuyu ------Original Message------ From: Edmund Conen Sender: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net To: Spridgets List Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HF - animal dung Sent: Jan 10, 2010 5:04 AM per Frank... >Maybe I should start marketing animal dung with a fancy name because I know we as a country have been dumbed up so much that we will buy shit if it is marketed in a fancy box. Tooo late; it's being done. Called "Black Kow - The mature manure" and it's good shit! Ed in NC :-) (bought the t-shirt, and the hat. :-) ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as nigel.hales at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Sent from my BlackBerry. from Optus From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 15:42:41 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:42:41 EST Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion Message-ID: Why would you want to do that? In a message dated 10/01/2010 19:21:34 GMT Standard Time, 60bugeye at cebridge.net writes: are there any kits out to install rear disc's on to a spridget rear end housing? Leo From sales at justbrits.com Sun Jan 10 15:47:13 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:47:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands In-Reply-To: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> References: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4B4A58F1.6060306@justbrits.com> << Who cares by the time the cinder blocks fail, you're down the road with your new set of wheels and tires. >> Or a couple 4 speeds outta 'Vettes [or better yet IF yer having REALLY Good Luck outta Biscayne(s) and/or Impala(s) - "sometimes" Pony products ! ] !!!! Anon From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 17:33:34 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <4B4A3919.2020308@comcast.net> References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> <43840a7e1001101024g3e7ca219xa94f78b69ba2bce2@mail.gmail.com> <4B4A3919.2020308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4492955600647810304@unknownmsgid> When I need to pick up both ends of a Spridget, I generally only need to remove the tires at one end. So I use the metal ramps for one end and a pair of jackstands for the other. My ramps, like all the other ramps I have tried, don't work very well for actually driving a Spridget onto, From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 17:51:18 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:51:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4114512122737083069@unknownmsgid> On those occasions that I wish to have all four corners, I have a pair of ramps I put under one end. I have to use a jack to get them into place, but it feels much more secure to me than four jackstands. Of course, when you need to remove all four wheels, this might not be the best option... David L From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 10 18:21:43 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:21:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <4114512122737083069@unknownmsgid> References: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4114512122737083069@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <9F0FDB547F094CDFBA3FE7410B896725@HomePC> I do the same, but be careful if you are using a jack with the long front roller rather than the two wheels (ala HF AL jack). They have a tendency to not roll on the floor as the car comes up and will then pull the other wheels off the ramps. BTDT. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:51 PM Cc: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) On those occasions that I wish to have all four corners, I have a pair of ramps I put under one end. I have to use a jack to get them into place, but it feels much more secure to me than four jackstands. Of course, when you need to remove all four wheels, this might not be the best option... David L _______________________________________________ From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sun Jan 10 19:36:01 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:36:01 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <9F0FDB547F094CDFBA3FE7410B896725@HomePC> References: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4114512122737083069@unknownmsgid> <9F0FDB547F094CDFBA3FE7410B896725@HomePC> Message-ID: I have a 4 post lift with a jacking tray that will slide anywhere under the car to place a bottle jack, scissor jack or what have you where you want to lift. Kind of handy even if the lift is flat on the floor. Also doubles as an engine lift when you hook a chain to one of the end cross members. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I do the same, but be careful if you are using a jack with the long front > roller rather than the two wheels (ala HF AL jack). They have a tendency > to > not roll on the floor as the car comes up and will then pull the other > wheels off the ramps. BTDT. > > > LAD > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:51 PM > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) > > On those occasions that I wish to have all four corners, I have a pair > of ramps I put under one end. I have to use a jack to get them into > place, but it feels much more secure to me than four jackstands. Of > course, when you need to remove all four wheels, this might not be the > best option... > David L > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From froggi60 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 19:45:31 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:45:31 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001101845x3e4862b2n23f9d6c46cc03352@mail.gmail.com> Stops on a dime, gives you nine cents change....why else DS On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > Why would you want to do that? From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sun Jan 10 19:57:31 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:57:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <9F0FDB547F094CDFBA3FE7410B896725@HomePC> References: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4114512122737083069@unknownmsgid> <9F0FDB547F094CDFBA3FE7410B896725@HomePC> Message-ID: <7247018B-0358-4F3E-9D9E-3C86405FACCB@comcast.net> Now ya tell me.. it is VERY disconcerting to watch an E-Type slowly move sideways as it falls off the two jackstands in the rear and lands into and on a Sonett II because the roller on the jack up front caught on something. I am trying to find some screw jack as those will make the uneven floor of the shop less of a problem. Lester On Jan 10, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I do the same, but be careful if you are using a jack with the long front > roller rather than the two wheels (ala HF AL jack). They have a tendency to > not roll on the floor as the car comes up and will then pull the other > wheels off the ramps. BTDT. > > > LAD From abcoz at hky.com Sun Jan 10 20:05:29 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:05:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: References: <205cef431001090837g5158fb0dr4f4605a48c631737@mail.gmail.com> <116934270A7A41A29648B3349EC7FB80@spider> <4B494831.2070609@justbrits.com> <4B494ABB.6050009@comcast.net> <4B494FBA.7030409@justbrits.com> <4B4958CE.4010004@comcast.net> <839600.69189.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001092243g5131e6catdc497ee0e00710e7@mail.gmail.com> <367798.26240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042401ca9214$10bcf2a0$3236d7e0$@net> <9315087BB69641649F7829D0A53E6834@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <441627FF2B194B72A374FFFE95C64EAC@OwnerPC> The ordinary 2x4 pine you find in today's Home Defect is crap. It splits too easily and crushes more than I like to see. The hardwood I use won't split without a lot more force than blocking a car will generate, plus it won't allow the car to slip on the stand. It will also crush just enough to help hold the car in position on the stand. I do, however, use a short length of 2x4 white pine on the lifting pad of my hydraulic jack, to keep the car from sliding off the jack while I raise it or when I move a car around my workshop with the aid of the jack. The lifting pad really digs into the 2x4 and the car won't slide on the 2x4, either. Of course, if I'm not real careful where I place the jack, the 2x4 gets split pretty easily. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Bud Osbourne" ; "Herbert Miller" ; "'DAVID GROPPER'" ; Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) >> Actually, I always use a small, hardwood block between the car and the >> jack stand. > > Why hardwood? I use ordinary pieces of 2x4 which are soft enough to allow > the metal to sink in a bit, giving a better bite. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Sprite kit > Long Island, NY From sales at justbrits.com Sun Jan 10 20:35:17 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:35:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <7247018B-0358-4F3E-9D9E-3C86405FACCB@comcast.net> References: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4114512122737083069@unknownmsgid> <9F0FDB547F094CDFBA3FE7410B896725@HomePC> <7247018B-0358-4F3E-9D9E-3C86405FACCB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B4A9C75.3040502@justbrits.com> << ...it is VERY disconcerting to watch an E-Type slowly move sideways as it falls off the two jackstands in the rear and lands into and on a Sonett II >> Lester, I think it would be OK to allow you THREE "yikes" [and what ever other words you choose but in THREEs] for that !!! !!! !!! From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 10 20:47:10 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:47:10 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) In-Reply-To: <4B4A9C75.3040502@justbrits.com> References: <736736.59209.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4114512122737083069@unknownmsgid><9F0FDB547F094CDFBA3FE7410B896725@HomePC><7247018B-0358-4F3E-9D9E-3C86405FACCB@comcast.net> <4B4A9C75.3040502@justbrits.com> Message-ID: This reminds me, move the jack stands way away from the vehicle before lowering it. I had a relative with new foreign car; took it into a shop for mechanical work. The young mechanic moved one jack stand from under the car, but not far enough from the body of the car. Lowered the car; rrrip like a cheap can opener up the side. Shop did pay for the body repairs. ...bill in oregon ================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sales at " Just Brits " Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:35 PM To: Spridgets List Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jack stands.. (was- fuel line mystery) << ...it is VERY disconcerting to watch an E-Type slowly move sideways as it falls off the two jackstands in the rear and lands into and on a Sonett II >> Lester, I think it would be OK to allow you THREE "yikes" [and what ever other words you choose but in THREEs] for that !!! !!! !!! From franks97 at verizon.net Sun Jan 10 21:38:40 2010 From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:38:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Vintage Racing in the NW with SCCA and another program is uploaded Message-ID: Hello everyone, Schedules are staring to firm up and it looks like a good year for vintage racing opportunities in the NW. Of course Oregon Region SCCA will have a vintage grid with all of their regional events: March 5-7 -- Driver School & Single Regional, with Chicane April 17-18 -- Single Regional, with Chicane May 7-9 -- Regional/National Combo, no Chicane June 11-12-13 -- Rose Cup Double Regional, with Chicane August 7-8 -- Single Regional, no Chicane September 11-12 -- Single Regional, no Chicane October 8-10 -- Double Regional, with Chicane October 23-24 -- Oregon Raceway Park, Grass Valley OR, co-sanctioned with NW Region Thanks to the combined efforts of NW Region, San Francisco Region and Oregon Region the NORPAC vintage series continues: May 29-31 Dbl. National with Vintage Pacific Raceway, Kent NWR June 11-13 Rose Cup Dbl. Regional with Vintage PIR, Portland OR Reg Aug 28 & 29 Dbl. Regional with Vintage Bermerton NWR Sept 10-12 Vintage Weekend Thunderhill Park SFR Oct 23 & 24 Regional with Vintage Oregon Raceway Park Grass Valley OR Reg 5 weekends 5 different tracks Contact these folks for more information: Bill Godwin, San Francisco Region: ponyperf at comcast.net Dan Mullin, Oregon Region: danm356 at yahoo.com Lee Mitchell, Reno Region: lee.mitchell at attglobal.net Tom Masterson, Northwest Region: kd7cyu at yahoo.com The 1980 Rose Cup program has been scanned and uploaded to the Region web site: All schedules are subject to change. Have a great 2010! -- David Franks franks97 at verizon.net 67 AH Sprite #82 Blue From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sun Jan 10 22:12:33 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:12:33 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion References: <2ad6c6b11001101845x3e4862b2n23f9d6c46cc03352@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7174E8A6BEFE41EC9956CB84A7E83EB4@leovs802bt6yj7> pecisely my thinking:) Leo ----- Original Message ----- From: WFO Herb To: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Cc: 60bugeye at cebridge.net ; spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion Stops on a dime, gives you nine cents change....why else DS On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:42 PM, wrote: Why would you want to do that? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.133/2612 - Release Date: 01/10/10 19:35:00 From hmortada at aol.com Fri Jan 8 11:16:34 2010 From: hmortada at aol.com (hmortada at aol.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:16:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or code for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to the original! Thanks for all of your help! Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada ********************* From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 05:44:42 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:44:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Help In-Reply-To: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B4B1D3A.4000602@comcast.net> hmortada at aol.com wrote: > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to the > original! > I have had better luck matching a chip to the original color. Or you can take the trunk lid to the auto paint supplier and they can scan the color for a match. Many colors have been superceded by the same color name but it is not the same color. British Racing Green is one of them. It went from a BMC color to a Leyland color to an Austin/Rover color and all 3 are very different. When I did my 67 Sprite I wanted the perfect BR green color and the paint shop had the code but it was now a Rover color and was nothing like the color of the car. I even brought the door so they could scan the inside of it where the paint was not faded and it came up as a fleet color not a BMC color. The shop should let you bring the chip home if you bring it back the same day or bring in a body part that has not faded like the inside of the trunk lid or a door. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 06:33:44 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:33:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Help In-Reply-To: <4B4B1D3A.4000602@comcast.net> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <4B4B1D3A.4000602@comcast.net> Message-ID: <466161.88257.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Frank, this is what I've found... http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/ To: hmortada at aol.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 4:44:42 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help hmortada at aol.com wrote: > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to the > original! > I have had better luck matching a chip to the original color. Or you can take the trunk lid to the auto paint supplier and they can scan the color for a match. Many colors have been superceded by the same color name but it is not the same color. British Racing Green is one of them. It went from a BMC color to a Leyland color to an Austin/Rover color and all 3 are very different. When I did my 67 Sprite I wanted the perfect BR green color and the paint shop had the code but it was now a Rover color and was nothing like the color of the car. I even brought the door so they could scan the inside of it where the paint was not faded and it came up as a fleet color not a BMC color. The shop should let you bring the chip home if you bring it back the same day or bring in a body part that has not faded like the inside of the trunk lid or a door. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 11 06:48:35 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:48:35 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Help In-Reply-To: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey Hadi! I like Frank's idea! Does your car still have paint showing somewhere? I have a car that was supposed to be Carmine Red. I was told that it was mistakenly painted the Jag colour "Carmen Red", which now seems to be wrong also. http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/2009FallTour.jpg Below is an excerpt from something that I wrote to someone else. Unfortunately, the coloramic.com website appears to be down ( "suspended" ) and I don't have those ICI paint codes handy at the moment. So ... Carmine Red was a Healey Colour ( and a Triumph colour according to a google search). With any luck, maybe that web site will come back up. This company sells an aerosol can of their Carmine Red: http://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/CARMINE-RED---AEROSOL-PAINT-id3266.html Getting it shipped from the UK is a major expense though. >>> Okay, so this is an example of "Carmen" Red, the Jag colour that was used for the early BN1's. http://www.kentcarcollection.com/info.php?id=212 http://www.kentcarcollection.com/info2.php?id=212&i=2 And, here's a web reference to Austin-Healey paint colours: ( Austin-Healey - Guide to Historic Colors by Don Pikovnik ) http://www.coloramic.com/britcars.htm Colour swatches showing Carmen and Carmine side by side: http://www.coloramic.com/articles/ahcgtext.htm This chart shows the Carmen and Carmine with the same RD.13 code and 2 different ICI paint codes: http://www.coloramic.com/articles/hlyclrs.htm >>> This shows a chip of Carmine Red: http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/aclchip.aspx?image=1955-ahmg-pg11.j pg Ah-ha! Try here: http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/ HTH Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen ) > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:16:34 -0500 > From: hmortada at aol.com > Subject: [Spridgets] Help > > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 11 06:49:52 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:49:52 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Help In-Reply-To: <466161.88257.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>, <4B4B1D3A.4000602@comcast.net>, <466161.88257.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now ... why didn't you say that a few minutes sooner!!! :) Robert > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:33:44 -0800 > From: eap2140 at yahoo.com > To: spritenut at comcast.net; hmortada at aol.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help > > Frank, this is what I've found... > > http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/ > To: hmortada at aol.com > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 4:44:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help > > hmortada at aol.com wrote: > > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or code > > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to the > > original! > > > I have had better luck matching a chip to the original color. > Or you can take the trunk lid to the auto paint supplier and they can scan the color for a match. > Many colors have been superceded by the same color name but it is not the same color. > British Racing Green is one of them. It went from a BMC color to a Leyland color to an Austin/Rover color and all 3 are very different. > When I did my 67 Sprite I wanted the perfect BR green color and the paint shop had the code but it was now a Rover color and was nothing like the color of the car. I even brought the door so they could scan the inside of it where the paint was not faded and it came up as a fleet color not a BMC color. > The shop should let you bring the chip home if you bring it back the same day or bring in a body part that has not faded like the inside of the trunk lid or a door. > > -- Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From fastvee at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 06:56:07 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:56:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC but a small motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <809545.37291.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Biff, Is it possible that when you insert the plug wire into the connector it doesn't make good contact? Or the wire slips out of the connector a bit later? Do you strip some of the insulation away? It seems likely that there might be a gap allowing the high voltage to arc inside the connector, and burn up the wires. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Biff Jones wrote: From: Biff Jones Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC but a small motor To: "Spridgets" Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 2:04 PM I have a poser for the list concerning my ATV. It took me awhile to discover this problem but it has me baffled all the same. I have been trying to get the motor running right for some time and have been replacing bits along the way. I would get it running but after 5 - 10 minutes it would start missing and then I would lose all spark. I've checked or replaced all the electronics, stator, voltage regulator, CDI box (ouch), and coil. What I finally discovered was when I lose all spark the problem is at the end of the coil wire from the coil to the sparkplug plug. The plug end has one of those screw in hard plastic caps and when I lose spark and unscrew the plug cap the copper wires inside where the screw goes into the coil wire are all scorched and broken/burned off for a 1/4" or more. I've shortened the coil wire until I get clean copper wire but after running again for a few minutes the wire is again all blackened and broken. What could be the cause of this? At first I thought it might be the coil but after testing it cold and hot the readings are to spec. I am open to any suggestions. From maine2me at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 08:19:52 2010 From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:19:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands In-Reply-To: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> References: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <463676.52298.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Concrete is very weak in tension" Um...the load would be compression not tension. and concrete blocks generally are about 15 PSI compression.. (This is not to say they should be used as jack stands...cracks and damage can cause week spots and when concrete fails under load, it's not graceful!) The face of the block has a center supporting perpendicular.... it is weaker than the adjacent face but ... Just palying devil's advocate... :o) Dan ----- Original Message ---- From: David Ramsey To: Tim Collins Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 4:55:51 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jackstands Who cares by the time the cinder blocks fail, you're down the road with your new set of wheels and tires. Crash Finally, don't ever use a concrete block as a jack stand. Concrete is very weak in tension and will fail suddenly under a relatively small load. When loaded on the face of the block the concrete is in tension. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as maine2me at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 08:20:48 2010 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:20:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] I know we have some pilots out there on the list... check this out Message-ID: <21108.22685.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you are interested, I will forward you an email I got last night with lots of images of a couple of WWII fighter models. Don't know much detail-wise, but there is a Mustang and a Corsair - both of which are completely hand-made of metal. (These things seem to have every part the originals had - he even made wood bucks to hammer out all the original aluminum sheets and then screwed them into the airframe) They look to be about 18-20 inches long each. All control wires, chains, rods, etc. work. Truly amazing models with details down to and including multi-part bullets put together and then into belts which lead to the three machine guns on each wing. I would post them, but am pretty bad at that sort of thing. If I get lots of requests, maybe one of you who are better at that sort of thing would post them for everybody else to see. - David Booker From jdinnis at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 08:55:15 2010 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:55:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC but a small motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you put a complete new plug wire on? It sounds like maybe your plug wire insulation is breaking down and it is acrinc to the nearest ground. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Biff Jones wrote: > I have a poser for the list concerning my ATV. It took me awhile to discover > this problem but it has me baffled all the same. > I have been trying to get the motor running right for some time and have been > replacing bits along the way. I would get it running but after 5 - 10 minutes > it would start missing and then I would lose all spark. I've checked or > replaced all the electronics, stator, voltage regulator, CDI box (ouch), and > coil. What I finally discovered was when I lose all spark the problem is at > the end of the coil wire from the coil to the sparkplug plug. The plug end has > one of those screw in hard plastic caps and when I lose spark and unscrew the > plug cap the copper wires inside where the screw goes into the coil wire are > all scorched and broken/burned off for a 1/4" or more. I've shortened the coil > wire until I get clean copper wire but after running again for a few minutes > the wire is again all blackened and broken. What could be the cause of this? > At first I thought it might be the coil but after testing it cold and hot the > readings are to spec. I am open to any suggestions. > > Biff Jones > 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye > 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite in the "Healey Book" > http://sprites2.homestead.com/ > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as jdinnis at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Jan 11 09:16:07 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:16:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands In-Reply-To: <463676.52298.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> <463676.52298.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87d2rg$7qb5vg@email.mtu.edu> When you load a concrete block at points "v" in this diagram, the underside (points a & b) are in tension. Sprong goes the block, down goes the car. v v |--------------|-------------| | a | b | | | | |--------------|-------------| At 10:19 AM 1/11/2010, Dan Dwelley wrote: >"Concrete is very weak in tension" Um...the load would be >compression not tension. and concrete blocks generally are about 15 >PSI compression.. (This is not to say they should be used as jack >stands...cracks and damage can cause week spots and when concrete >fails under load, it's not graceful!) The face of the block has a >center supporting perpendicular.... it is weaker than the adjacent >face but ... Just palying devil's advocate... :o) Dan ----- Original >Message ---- From: David Ramsey To: Tim Collins > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, January >10, 2010 4:55:51 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jackstands Who cares by >the time the cinder blocks fail, you're down the road with your new >set of wheels and tires. Crash Finally, don't ever use a >concrete block as a jack stand. Concrete is very weak in tension and >will fail suddenly under a relatively small load. When loaded on the >face of the block the concrete is in tension. Tim Collins >http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ >_______________________________________________ Support >Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >$12.75 You are subscribed as maine2me at yahoo.com >http://www.team.net/archive >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From jackson.skip at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 09:25:45 2010 From: jackson.skip at yahoo.com (Skip Jackson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:25:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] POSITIVE Earth Message-ID: <369814.44332.qm@web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I was planning to install an old Jag cig. lighter into my BE to power GPS and cellphone. Now I read that the GPS will not like the positive earth. Can't I just reverse the wires. How do the GPS know? Skip J. From frog.aye at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 09:42:43 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:42:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] POSITIVE Earth In-Reply-To: <369814.44332.qm@web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <369814.44332.qm@web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001110842sbfc1557qa49374bbfb5dc96d@mail.gmail.com> Skip, It won't know. HOWEVER, you will have a potential for shorting the battery voltage to ground. Most modern accessories such as GPS devices iPods, etc are well insulated, but the potential does exist that something might get plugged in that has a metal part that is nominally grounded, if that should touch any metal part of the car.... Do you enjoy fireworks? Of course, fuses will keep the danger down, but if you keep blowing them they're no fun either. Hal On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Skip Jackson wrote: > I was planning to install an old Jag cig. lighter into my BE to power GPS > and > cellphone. Now I read that the GPS will not like the positive earth. > Can't I > just reverse the wires. How do the GPS know? Skip J. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:04:52 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:04:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] POSITIVE Earth In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001110842sbfc1557qa49374bbfb5dc96d@mail.gmail.com> References: <369814.44332.qm@web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4333f8141001110842sbfc1557qa49374bbfb5dc96d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001110904vedf7b18w967e0e5c942cd148@mail.gmail.com> I heard that with the current reversed like that you can still use the GPS as long as you remember that North is now South and East is now West. Seriously, there's a navigation system you can use with either negative earth or positive earth! It's called Most Accurate Position (MAP). ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Hal Faulkner wrote: > Skip, > It won't know. HOWEVER, you will have a potential for shorting the battery > voltage to ground. Most modern accessories such as GPS devices iPods, etc > are well insulated, but the potential does exist that something might get > plugged in that has a metal part that is nominally grounded, if that should > touch any metal part of the car.... Do you enjoy fireworks? Of course, > fuses will keep the danger down, but if you keep blowing them they're no > fun > either. > Hal > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Skip Jackson >wrote: > > > I was planning to install an old Jag cig. lighter into my BE to power GPS > > and > > cellphone. Now I read that the GPS will not like the positive earth. > > Can't I > > just reverse the wires. How do the GPS know? Skip J. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From richb at u.washington.edu Mon Jan 11 10:08:27 2010 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:08:27 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Help References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Help > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or > code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to > the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > > > ********************* > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 10:15:16 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:15:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> Message-ID: <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 manufactured in 77. ________________________________ From: Richard Ball To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Help > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or > code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to > the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > > > ********************* > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Jan 11 10:34:34 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:34:34 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anyone remember the scene where Myrna Loy gives instructions to the painter in Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House? > How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > White?" From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Mon Jan 11 10:34:11 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:34:11 EST Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion Message-ID: <8183.54a9f001.387cbb13@aol.com> How will you balance this against the front brakes and in fact it won't stop you on a dime as the front brakes do far more work than the rears. In a message dated 11/01/2010 02:45:32 GMT Standard Time, froggi60 at gmail.com writes: Stops on a dime, gives you nine cents change....why else DS From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:38:01 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:38:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion In-Reply-To: <8183.54a9f001.387cbb13@aol.com> References: <8183.54a9f001.387cbb13@aol.com> Message-ID: <402188521001110938x1d82e0b0id7f3db7f0441379@mail.gmail.com> > Stops on a dime, gives you nine cents change....why else DS Probably easier to change the pads, too. From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 10:46:38 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <582086.53989.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't go hijacking my thread! I just hijacked it myself! ________________________________ From: Billy Zoom To: Edward Perez ; Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:34:34 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help Anyone remember the scene where Myrna Loy gives instructions to the painter in Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House? > How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > White?" From richb at u.washington.edu Mon Jan 11 10:49:11 2010 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:49:11 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: According to the website, for 1500's: Glacier White (BLVC59) Until Aug '77 Leyland White (BLVC206) Aug '77 to June '78 [3] Porcelain White (BLVC243) June '78 on 3. Porcelain White was also known as Ermine White or Leyland White. So, yours is most likely Leyland White (BLVC206), but could be Glacier White (BLVC59) if it was produced prior to August '78. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, Wa ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Perez To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 manufactured in 77. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Richard Ball To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Help > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or > code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to > the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > > > ********************* > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:58:02 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:58:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion In-Reply-To: <402188521001110938x1d82e0b0id7f3db7f0441379@mail.gmail.com> References: <8183.54a9f001.387cbb13@aol.com> <402188521001110938x1d82e0b0id7f3db7f0441379@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001110958j360f0654r4991761c1d3a2fa7@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >> Stops on a dime, gives you nine cents change....why else DS > > Probably easier to change the pads, too. > Hopefully the conversion would result in a better seal (less prone to leaks) at the hub/axle too. From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 11:02:26 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:02:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I love the over-lap between the two colors in 77....that's where my confusion lies. I need to determine by my VIN somehow what color it is or exactly what year it was built. I'll check when I get home. I'm thinking Glacier White.... ________________________________ From: Richard Ball To: Edward Perez ; spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:49:11 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help According to the website, for 1500's: Glacier White (BLVC59) Until Aug '77 Leyland White (BLVC206) Aug '77 to June '78 [3] Porcelain White (BLVC243) June '78 on 3. Porcelain White was also known as Ermine White or Leyland White. So, yours is most likely Leyland White (BLVC206), but could be Glacier White (BLVC59) if it was produced prior to August '78. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, Wa ----- Original Message ----- >From: Edward Perez >To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com >Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 > AM >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help > > >How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 > manufactured in 77. > > > > ________________________________ From: Richard Ball >To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com >Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 > AM >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] > Help > >Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. >http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html > >Rich > Ball >'76 Midget >Everett, WA > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: >To: >Sent: > Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM >Subject: [Spridgets] Help > > >> > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its > original >> colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find > about this >> colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a > colour number or >> code >> for this, or just pick any colour and > go with it and hope it is close to >> the >> original! >> > Thanks for all of your help! >> Hadi, in Ottawa, > Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ********************* >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu >> >> > http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > >_______________________________________________ >Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > >You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:21:02 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:21:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] WWII Models Message-ID: <37dc82d41001111021o7d5d2336u90f0428a4e83a889@mail.gmail.com> Could this be it? http://jalopnik.com/5429697/retired-dentist-builds-amazingly-intricate-all+aluminum-wwii-fighter-models From richb at u.washington.edu Mon Jan 11 11:21:44 2010 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:21:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> You should have a metal plate on the driver's side door jamb near the latch plate. The date (month and year) of manufacture should be stamped on it. For example mine was manufactured in September of 1975 according to the date on the plate. From what I have read the model year for 1976 started with cars produced in August of 1975 and ended in December 1976. So I have a '76 model year Midget, but it has the '75 anniversary dash plaque. The '77 model year stared in December '76 and the '78 model year started August 24, 1977. Rich Ball '76 Midget (or is that '75) Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Perez To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help I love the over-lap between the two colors in 77....that's where my confusion lies. I need to determine by my VIN somehow what color it is or exactly what year it was built. I'll check when I get home. I'm thinking Glacier White.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Richard Ball To: Edward Perez ; spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:49:11 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help According to the website, for 1500's: Glacier White (BLVC59) Until Aug '77 Leyland White (BLVC206) Aug '77 to June '78 [3] Porcelain White (BLVC243) June '78 on 3. Porcelain White was also known as Ermine White or Leyland White. So, yours is most likely Leyland White (BLVC206), but could be Glacier White (BLVC59) if it was produced prior to August '78. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, Wa ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Perez To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 manufactured in 77. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Ball To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Help > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or > code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to > the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > > > ********************* > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Mon Jan 11 11:25:07 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:25:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] POSITIVE Earth In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001110842sbfc1557qa49374bbfb5dc96d@mail.gmail.com> References: <369814.44332.qm@web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4333f8141001110842sbfc1557qa49374bbfb5dc96d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: They make fuses that plug into fuse blocks that reset themselves. ...bill in oregon ===================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hal Faulkner Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:43 AM To: Skip Jackson Cc: spridget Subject: Re: [Spridgets] POSITIVE Earth Skip, It won't know. HOWEVER, you will have a potential for shorting the battery voltage to ground. Most modern accessories such as GPS devices iPods, etc are well insulated, but the potential does exist that something might get plugged in that has a metal part that is nominally grounded, if that should touch any metal part of the car.... Do you enjoy fireworks? Of course, fuses will keep the danger down, but if you keep blowing them they're no fun either. Hal On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Skip Jackson wrote: > I was planning to install an old Jag cig. lighter into my BE to power GPS > and > cellphone. Now I read that the GPS will not like the positive earth. > Can't I > just reverse the wires. How do the GPS know? Skip J. > > _______________________________________________ From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:30:07 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> Message-ID: <402188521001111030x5fb54940x4e60702306edbaf2@mail.gmail.com> > I love the over-lap between the two colors in 77....that's where my > confusion lies. I need to determine by my VIN somehow what color it is or > exactly what year it was built. I'll check when I get home. I'm thinking > Glacier White.... Ed, I am betting the break is at VIN 200000. David L From PAsgeirsson at att.net Mon Jan 11 11:33:15 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:33:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion References: <8183.54a9f001.387cbb13@aol.com><402188521001110938x1d82e0b0id7f3db7f0441379@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c1001110958j360f0654r4991761c1d3a2fa7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008201ca92ec$8acfece0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> How would that change? Later, Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Foster" To: "Spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion > Hopefully the conversion would result in a better seal (less prone to > leaks) at the hub/axle too. From frog.aye at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:41:55 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:41:55 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <402188521001111030x5fb54940x4e60702306edbaf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> <402188521001111030x5fb54940x4e60702306edbaf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001111041l5856f877m2656320e9a8b136c@mail.gmail.com> David, Do you have a BMIHT certificate? It should resolve the issue. Hal On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > I love the over-lap between the two colors in 77....that's where my > > confusion lies. I need to determine by my VIN somehow what color it is > or > > exactly what year it was built. I'll check when I get home. I'm > thinking > > Glacier White.... > > Ed, > I am betting the break is at VIN 200000. > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From sales at justbrits.com Mon Jan 11 11:54:30 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:54:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001111041l5856f877m2656320e9a8b136c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> <402188521001111030x5fb54940x4e60702306edbaf2@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001111041l5856f877m2656320e9a8b136c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4B73E6.7040707@justbrits.com> << David, Do you have a BMIHT certificate? It should resolve the issue. Hal >> Ed P. is who started this [sorry, Jay ] thread, Hal. He IS the one who needs the Cert. because it IS he trying to determine his car's colour. Ed From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 12:08:27 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:08:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001111041l5856f877m2656320e9a8b136c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> <402188521001111030x5fb54940x4e60702306edbaf2@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001111041l5856f877m2656320e9a8b136c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49434.16871.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK, I'll ask the dumb question.... BMIHT means what? Ed P. ________________________________ From: Hal Faulkner To: David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> Cc: Spridgets Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 10:41:55 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help David, Do you have a BMIHT certificate? It should resolve the issue. Hal On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > I love the over-lap between the two colors in 77....that's where my > > confusion lies. I need to determine by my VIN somehow what color it is > or > > exactly what year it was built. I'll check when I get home. I'm > thinking > > Glacier White.... > > Ed, > I am betting the break is at VIN 200000. > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From frog.aye at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 12:41:11 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:11 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <49434.16871.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> <402188521001111030x5fb54940x4e60702306edbaf2@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001111041l5856f877m2656320e9a8b136c@mail.gmail.com> <49434.16871.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001111141w47f7e8b6y5f18e1d27515b924@mail.gmail.com> Ed British Motor Industry Heritage Trust Hal On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Edward Perez wrote: > OK, I'll ask the dumb question.... BMIHT means what? > > Ed P. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Hal Faulkner > *To:* David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> > *Cc:* Spridgets > *Sent:* Mon, January 11, 2010 10:41:55 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Spridgets] More Help > > David, > Do you have a BMIHT certificate? It should resolve the issue. > Hal > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I love the over-lap between the two colors in 77....that's where my > > > confusion lies. I need to determine by my VIN somehow what color it is > > or > > > exactly what year it was built. I'll check when I get home. I'm > > thinking > > > Glacier White.... > > > > Ed, > > I am betting the break is at VIN 200000. > > David L > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 12:53:32 2010 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:53:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] WWII Models In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001111021o7d5d2336u90f0428a4e83a889@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12492.36377.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's it!. My email came with different words, but the same photos. Pretty amazing stuff. I didn't know the guy was a dentist, but I guess that would be good practice for doing tiny detail-oriented fab work... Thanks Kirk! - David --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: From: Kirk Hargreaves Subject: WWII Models To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:21 PM Could this be it? http://jalopnik.com/5429697/retired-dentist-builds-amazingly-intricate-all+al uminum-wwii-fighter-models From neilandcustom at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:15:00 2010 From: neilandcustom at gmail.com (Neil Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:15:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <49434.16871.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269853.86447.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D2CB395D7734A138F1C92AA23458B4A@psych.washington.edu> <402188521001111030x5fb54940x4e60702306edbaf2@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001111041l5856f877m2656320e9a8b136c@mail.gmail.com> <49434.16871.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01ca92fa$c2e5cd80$48b16880$@com> It stands for British Motor Industry Heritage Trust. They can provide car build info certificates (for a fee) for the following cars: Austin, Aston Martin, Austin-Healey, Land Rover, Metropolitan, Mini, MG, Morris, Range Rover, Riley, Rover, and Standard. Neil Anderson -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Edward Perez Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:08 PM To: Hal Faulkner; David Lieb Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help OK, I'll ask the dumb question.... BMIHT means what? Ed P. ________________________________ From: Hal Faulkner To: David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> Cc: Spridgets Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 10:41:55 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help David, Do you have a BMIHT certificate? It should resolve the issue. Hal On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > I love the over-lap between the two colors in 77....that's where my > > confusion lies. I need to determine by my VIN somehow what color it is > or > > exactly what year it was built. I'll check when I get home. I'm > thinking > > Glacier White.... > > Ed, > I am betting the break is at VIN 200000. > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as neilandcustom at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:19:48 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:19:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Was "More Help" - Now Myrna Loy Movies Message-ID: <43840a7e1001111219s7f9ff1e5i56cc2c7a35af517e@mail.gmail.com> Geez, Billy! Anyone that familiar with old Myrna Loy movies should be out in the shop working on a car instead.... ;-) -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Billy Zoom wrote: > Anyone remember the scene where Myrna Loy gives instructions to the painter > in Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House? > > > How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > > White?" From froggi60 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:33:58 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:33:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] WWII Models In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001111021o7d5d2336u90f0428a4e83a889@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001111021o7d5d2336u90f0428a4e83a889@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001111233v7fe67bf1md6844f3c9cdabe67@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Kirk. Oh hours spent, any guess as to what it's worth??? Herb From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 11 13:34:56 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:34:56 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Was "More Help" - Now Myrna Loy Movies In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001111219s7f9ff1e5i56cc2c7a35af517e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001111219s7f9ff1e5i56cc2c7a35af517e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Painting it 'white'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRzE6_Bd65c > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:19:48 -0600 > From: bmwwxman at gmail.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Was "More Help" - Now Myrna Loy Movies > > Geez, Billy! Anyone that familiar with old Myrna Loy movies should be out > in the shop working on a car instead.... ;-) > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a > shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." > John Adams > US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Billy Zoom wrote: > > > Anyone remember the scene where Myrna Loy gives instructions to the painter > > in Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House? > > > > > How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > > > White?" From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 13:40:47 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:40:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Was "More Help" - Now Myrna Loy Movies In-Reply-To: References: <43840a7e1001111219s7f9ff1e5i56cc2c7a35af517e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <288455.52707.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Funny! ________________________________ From: "robertduquette at sympatico.ca" To: Spridgets Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 12:34:56 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Was "More Help" - Now Myrna Loy Movies Painting it 'white'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRzE6_Bd65c > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:19:48 -0600 > From: bmwwxman at gmail.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Was "More Help" - Now Myrna Loy Movies > > Geez, Billy! Anyone that familiar with old Myrna Loy movies should be out > in the shop working on a car instead.... ;-) > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a > shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." > John Adams > US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Billy Zoom wrote: > > > Anyone remember the scene where Myrna Loy gives instructions to the painter > > in Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House? > > > > > How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > > > White?" Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 14:55:11 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> but apparently tat could change depending on what color was painted before that and how far was your car painted from the color change. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ball" To: "Edward Perez" , spridgets at autox.team.net, hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:49:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help According to the website, for 1500's: Glacier White (BLVC59) Until Aug '77 Leyland White (BLVC206) Aug '77 to June '78 [3] Porcelain White (BLVC243) June '78 on 3. Porcelain White was also known as Ermine White or Leyland White. So, yours is most likely Leyland White (BLVC206), but could be Glacier White (BLVC59) if it was produced prior to August '78. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, Wa ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Perez To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 manufactured in 77. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Richard Ball To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Help > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or > code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to > the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > > > ********************* > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 14:56:59 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:56:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <83655.21568.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The paint is all original on mine.... To: Richard Ball Cc: Edward Perez ; spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 1:55:11 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help but apparently tat could change depending on what color was painted before that and how far was your car painted from the color change. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ball" To: "Edward Perez" , spridgets at autox.team.net, hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:49:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help According to the website, for 1500's: Glacier White (BLVC59) Until Aug '77 Leyland White (BLVC206) Aug '77 to June '78 [3] Porcelain White (BLVC243) June '78 on 3. Porcelain White was also known as Ermine White or Leyland White. So, yours is most likely Leyland White (BLVC206), but could be Glacier White (BLVC59) if it was produced prior to August '78. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, Wa ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Perez To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 manufactured in 77. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Richard Ball To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Help > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or > code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to > the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > > > ********************* > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dwgwater at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 15:31:37 2010 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:31:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: i'm wondering if anyone has any insight on anti-lock brakes on my 2003 Honda Accord. The ABS seems to be kicking in far more than it ever did before and as a result I'm getting really long stopping distances when I need to get hard into the brakes. I put on a set of BF Goodrich-Costco tires about 2 years/16K miles ago and I've been blaming what seems to be a lack of traction in the last few months on cheap tires. (I mostly drive this car to the train station.) But the other day, I was in a parking lot, dry salty pavement (Chicago) at about 10 mph when somebody pulled out in front of me. I jumped on the brakes, the ABS kicked in and it stopped, eventually. THese tires have plenty of tread, and even with what is probably a really hard rubber compound, I was really surprised that I was anywhere near lockup. Putting it another way, the seat of my pants tells me I'm not getting very many G's of negative acceleration before the ABS kicks in, and I'm wondering if there's more to it than just the tires. There's no ABS failure light, but I'm wondering if the ABS can go out of adjustment or something to make it more sensitive than it should be. I thought the systems sensed lockup and eased off/released the hydraulic pressure to let the wheel rotate again. Is there more to it than that? Anybody have any experience with something like this or have any words of wisdom I can drop on the dealer when I take it in? Dave '70 Midget _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From nigel.hales at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 16:12:03 2010 From: nigel.hales at gmail.com (Nigel Hales) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:12:03 +1100 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I am no expert but, ABS is very sophisticated on the Honda (same unit as my Rovers), I have included a link to some explanation from a 1992 honda issue which gives some good detail on the functions of the accumulator, and some tests to try. The accumulator can have faults and cause the situation you are describing. If any of the sensors have failed that would normally instigate a failure condition and bring on the ABS light, although I have seen on occassion the speed sensor fail with no indication, well not failed, but not sensing true speed of the wheel rotation. http://www.justanswer.com/questions/18e4h-1992-honda-accord-with-abs-codes-1- 4-7-abs-light-comes-on 2010/1/12 David Groundwater : > i'm wondering if anyone has any insight on anti-lock brakes on my 2003 Honda > Accord. The ABS seems to be kicking in far more than it ever did before and > as a result I'm getting really long stopping distances when I need to get hard > into the brakes. I put on a set of BF Goodrich-Costco tires about 2 years/16K > miles ago and I've been blaming what seems to be a lack of traction in the > last few months on cheap tires. (I mostly drive this car to the train > station.) But the other day, I was in a parking lot, dry salty pavement > (Chicago) at about 10 mph when somebody pulled out in front of me. I jumped on > the brakes, the ABS kicked in and it stopped, eventually. > > > > THese tires have plenty of tread, and even with what is probably a really hard > rubber compound, I was really surprised that I was anywhere near lockup. > Putting it another way, the seat of my pants tells me I'm not getting very > many G's of negative acceleration before the ABS kicks in, and I'm wondering > if there's more to it than just the tires. > > > > There's no ABS failure light, but I'm wondering if the ABS can go out of > adjustment or something to make it more sensitive than it should be. I > thought the systems sensed lockup and eased off/released the hydraulic > pressure to let the wheel rotate again. Is there more to it than that? > > > > > > Anybody have any experience with something like this or have any words of > wisdom I can drop on the dealer when I take it in? > > Dave > > '70 Midget > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as nigel.hales at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 16:14:56 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:14:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch and Brakes Reverse Roll Play Message-ID: <37dc82d41001111514v383ca793l679f22a797888366@mail.gmail.com> My brakes would not grab. . pedal too the floor. . but clutch working fine. I took the MC out, cleaned it and found a piece of foil inside that came off from the brake fluid container. Not sure if this was the issue. . but at any rate after going through the system blowing compressed air through and bleeding it all out again I have brakes. BUT. . my clutch now does not work. And I can tell that the clutch side of the master cyl is not holding compression like the brake side now it when I push the plungers in manually (on the work bench). I took the MC back out and criss crossed the black cup seal to isolate the problem. . same issue. no matter which side the seal or seals are on, the clutch side has stopped holding pressure. And again, the clutch was fine before I started working on the brake issue. I also re-installed the little plastic end valve on the clutch side (which only belongs on the brake side). I accidentally had this on the clutch side when the clutch was working fine, and since I am out of options I thought what the heck, I will stick the thing back in there and see what happens. Of course it made no difference. . no clutch pressure from the MC. Can't be the bore going bad all of a sudden as there is no pitting or issues on the clutch side bore. . and there has been no wear on it since I have been working on it. This whole thing is getting kind of crazy. I finally get my brake pressure back and lose my clutch in the process (which has been working fine). I do have a tiny brake leak on the rear passenger side wheel. . been there for 5 years. And I am fixing the leak (have all the parts). But the brakes are holding pressure. . the clutch is what is now causing me to wonder what planet I am on? Any input is appreciated. . Thanks also to Guy who has been following this with me and has offered some really solid advice (regarding getting my brakes to work). But again, I have my brakes back and have now lost my clutch! Kirk From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 16:34:21 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <83655.21568.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441388115.11150171263252861948.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> i meant on the production line. Supposedly they often did not clean the sprayers to well before starting the next color. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" To: "ryan kubanoff" , "Richard Ball" Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net, hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:56:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help The paint is all original on mine.... From: "ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net" To: Richard Ball Cc: Edward Perez ; spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 1:55:11 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help but apparently tat could change depending on what color was painted before that and how far was your car painted from the color change. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ball" To: "Edward Perez" , spridgets at autox.team.net, hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:49:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help According to the website, for 1500's: Glacier White (BLVC59) Until Aug '77 Leyland White (BLVC206) Aug '77 to June '78 [3] Porcelain White (BLVC243) June '78 on 3. Porcelain White was also known as Ermine White or Leyland White. So, yours is most likely Leyland White (BLVC206), but could be Glacier White (BLVC59) if it was produced prior to August '78. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, Wa ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Perez To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 manufactured in 77. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Richard Ball To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Help > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its original > colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find about this > colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a colour number or > code > for this, or just pick any colour and go with it and hope it is close to > the > original! > Thanks for all of your help! > Hadi, in Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > > > ********************* > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 16:35:34 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1254905160.11150661263252934146.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> when were you brakes and rotors checked last? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Groundwater" To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:31:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes i'm wondering if anyone has any insight on anti-lock brakes on my 2003 Honda Accord. The ABS seems to be kicking in far more than it ever did before and as a result I'm getting really long stopping distances when I need to get hard into the brakes. I put on a set of BF Goodrich-Costco tires about 2 years/16K miles ago and I've been blaming what seems to be a lack of traction in the last few months on cheap tires. (I mostly drive this car to the train station.) But the other day, I was in a parking lot, dry salty pavement (Chicago) at about 10 mph when somebody pulled out in front of me. I jumped on the brakes, the ABS kicked in and it stopped, eventually. THese tires have plenty of tread, and even with what is probably a really hard rubber compound, I was really surprised that I was anywhere near lockup. Putting it another way, the seat of my pants tells me I'm not getting very many G's of negative acceleration before the ABS kicks in, and I'm wondering if there's more to it than just the tires. There's no ABS failure light, but I'm wondering if the ABS can go out of adjustment or something to make it more sensitive than it should be. I thought the systems sensed lockup and eased off/released the hydraulic pressure to let the wheel rotate again. Is there more to it than that? Anybody have any experience with something like this or have any words of wisdom I can drop on the dealer when I take it in? Dave '70 Midget _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grday at btinternet.com Mon Jan 11 17:17:18 2010 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:17:18 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes References: Message-ID: <8920FF15D7E2447ABA8727E1EB85BB7E@user8634b3d69b> Just a couple of things, If the surface was salty or gritty and preventing a good grip at the tyre - road interface the ABS should work. However, at 10mph the ABS should be around the lower threshold where they stop working by design and you get full braking. If the tyres do have a really hard compound they will slip easier than ones with a softer compound. You can have theoretical situations where the ABS will kick in before it should but the usual reason is the driver going a tad faster than he thinks and is pressing the brakes a little harder. Check the sensors on the front hubs and make sure they are OK. All the best, Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Groundwater" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:31 PM Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes > i'm wondering if anyone has any insight on anti-lock brakes on my 2003 > Honda > Accord. The ABS seems to be kicking in far more than it ever did before > and > as a result I'm getting really long stopping distances when I need to get > hard > into the brakes. I put on a set of BF Goodrich-Costco tires about 2 > years/16K > miles ago and I've been blaming what seems to be a lack of traction in the > last few months on cheap tires. (I mostly drive this car to the train > station.) But the other day, I was in a parking lot, dry salty pavement > (Chicago) at about 10 mph when somebody pulled out in front of me. I > jumped on > the brakes, the ABS kicked in and it stopped, eventually. > > > > THese tires have plenty of tread, and even with what is probably a really > hard > rubber compound, I was really surprised that I was anywhere near lockup. > Putting it another way, the seat of my pants tells me I'm not getting very > many G's of negative acceleration before the ABS kicks in, and I'm > wondering > if there's more to it than just the tires. > > > > There's no ABS failure light, but I'm wondering if the ABS can go out of > adjustment or something to make it more sensitive than it should be. I > thought the systems sensed lockup and eased off/released the hydraulic > pressure to let the wheel rotate again. Is there more to it than that? > > > > > > Anybody have any experience with something like this or have any words of > wisdom I can drop on the dealer when I take it in? > > Dave > > '70 Midget > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:39:26 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:26 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] clutch In-Reply-To: <8CC612F25D749C7-3C34-3AF3@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC612F25D749C7-3C34-3AF3@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <37dc82d41001111639x33d42867vdc3b4c727c9fc13@mail.gmail.com> Hadi, Thanks for the help. I just found the issue. I found that I cannot trust the pressure that is happening just by the feel of the master cyl on the bench. I reversed the black cup (seal) and put it back together in reverse (switched them out again) - bled the slave out again - to find that I know have clutch and no brake. It is definitely the seal gone bad. The other thing. . the seal looks as good as the one that works. So I am finding out that you cannot tell if one of these things is good or not just by how flexible they are and how good they might appear to be. Thanks for your help! Kirk PS I know a couple of guys who have big Healeys - they have hooked a remote control to the slave cyl to be able to open and close it from under the hood. I have bled mine so many times that I have become fairly quick with the process. . . just by getting to it from under the passenger side hole. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > > Kirk, try bleeding the slave cylinder. I know it is hard to get to it. > I know I had the same problem with mine where I changed the MC for the > brakes and all the sudden the clutch one did not work. > Changed them both (Mine is a 79) and still did not work for me. I gave up > and took the car a garagre down the road the owner worked on MG's in his > early years. He bled the slave cylinder for me, it took him a couple of > tries to get it working. > Hope this helps > Hadi > '79 Midget (Beefy) From maine2me at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 19:31:50 2010 From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:31:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$7qb5vg@email.mtu.edu> References: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> <463676.52298.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <87d2rg$7qb5vg@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <739602.77669.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> When you load points V think about this! VV is only 16" long and uprights A,b, and c support VV thus making V only about 7" each...Keep in mind that VV is equally loaded. unless you load V with a sharp edge thus creating a point load which will place V in tension creating deflection. (Do you see where I'm going here? ) Thanks for listening. Dan ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Collins To: Dan Dwelley ; David Ramsey Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 11:16:07 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jackstands When you load a concrete block at points "v" in this diagram, the underside (points a & b) are in tension. Sprong goes the block, down goes the car. v v |--------------|-------------| | a | b | | | | |--------------|-------------| At 10:19 AM 1/11/2010, Dan Dwelley wrote: > "Concrete is very weak in tension" Um....the load would be compression not tension. and concrete blocks generally are about 15 PSI compression.. (This is not to say they should be used as jack stands...cracks and damage can cause week spots and when concrete fails under load, it's not graceful!) The face of the block has a center supporting perpendicular.... it is weaker than the adjacent face but ... Just palying devil's advocate... :o) Dan ----- Original Message ---- From: David Ramsey To: Tim Collins Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 4:55:51 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jackstands Who cares by the time the cinder blocks fail, you're down the road with your new set of wheels and tires. Crash Finally, don't ever use a concrete block as a jack stand. Concrete is very weak in tension and will fail suddenly under a relatively small load. When loaded on the face of the block the concrete is in tension. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as maine2me at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From jfishbein at snet.net Mon Jan 11 19:39:03 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:39:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands In-Reply-To: <739602.77669.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> <463676.52298.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <87d2rg$7qb5vg@email.mtu.edu> <739602.77669.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5AA792F8-CDD2-4C56-B30D-6F5D8575EB05@snet.net> I would rather be driving my car. Jay On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Dan Dwelley wrote: > When you load points V think about this! VV is only 16" long and > uprights A,b, > and c support VV thus making V only about 7" each...Keep in mind > that VV is > equally loaded. unless you load V with a sharp edge thus creating a > point load > which will place V in tension creating deflection. > > (Do you see where I'm > going here? ) > > Thanks for listening. > > Dan From maine2me at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 19:41:51 2010 From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Jackstands In-Reply-To: <5AA792F8-CDD2-4C56-B30D-6F5D8575EB05@snet.net> References: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> <463676.52298.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <87d2rg$7qb5vg@email.mtu.edu> <739602.77669.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5AA792F8-CDD2-4C56-B30D-6F5D8575EB05@snet.net> Message-ID: <174021.74473.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I agree! Dan ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Fishbein To: Spridget List Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:39:03 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Jackstands I would rather be driving my car. Jay On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Dan Dwelley wrote: > When you load points V think about this! VV is only 16" long and uprights A,b, > and c support VV thus making V only about 7" each...Keep in mind that VV is > equally loaded. unless you load V with a sharp edge thus creating a point load > which will place V in tension creating deflection. > > (Do you see where I'm > going here? ) > > Thanks for listening. > > Dan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as maine2me at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Mon Jan 11 20:13:40 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:13:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help References: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <83655.21568.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not to mention a myraid of other varibles. The same colr can be slightly different just on the charcteristics of the person spraying it (i.e. distance from the panel, sped of spray stroke, ) plus humidity, amount of thinner used/type, among other variables. The difference can be minute but it will become apperant if touched up by another person than the original sprayer. Ask me how I know:) Leo From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 20:23:16 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:23:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: References: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <83655.21568.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58110.63786.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> you guys are getting waaay too deep. This aint no concours car by any stretch of the term. i just want to touch up some spots! ________________________________ From: Leo S <60bugeye at cebridge.net> To: Edward Perez ; ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net; Richard Ball Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 7:13:40 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help Not to mention a myraid of other varibles. The same colr can be slightly different just on the charcteristics of the person spraying it (i.e. distance from the panel, sped of spray stroke, ) plus humidity, amount of thinner used/type, among other variables. The difference can be minute but it will become apperant if touched up by another person than the original sprayer. Ask me how I know:) Leo From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 20:40:19 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:40:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help References: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><83655.21568.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <58110.63786.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A22E370F1B946469DF2631F1DE4B9CC@blackbox2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" > you guys are getting waaay too deep. This aint no concours car by any stretch of the term. i just want to touch up some spots! Exactly, that's why you should touch it up with the original oil alkyd enamel type of paint. Better known today as Rustoleum. Available in Gloss White , Canvas, and of course my favorite: Antique White. Of course if you paint the whole car with Rustoleum, touch up color matching will never more be an issue. From eap2140 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 20:57:13 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:57:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <4A22E370F1B946469DF2631F1DE4B9CC@blackbox2> References: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><83655.21568.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <58110.63786.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A22E370F1B946469DF2631F1DE4B9CC@blackbox2> Message-ID: <282826.25349.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Funny...tried those...didn't match! I used them in the engine bay and trunk floor just to see how close they matched. I would not use them on any outer surfaces unless I was going for an "Arctic Camouflage" look. To: Spridgets Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 7:40:19 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" > you guys are getting waaay too deep. This aint no concours car by any stretch of the term. i just want to touch up some spots! Exactly, that's why you should touch it up with the original oil alkyd enamel type of paint. Better known today as Rustoleum. Available in Gloss White , Canvas, and of course my favorite: Antique White. Of course if you paint the whole car with Rustoleum, touch up color matching will never more be an issue. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 21:12:51 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <282826.25349.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229177940.11274171263269571940.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I had maaco paint my car 2007 infiniti g37 blue paint color B21.B the same B21 was used 2005-08 the color changed 3 times over the years all using B21 code.B it also is an exact match for Duplicolors true blue.B your better off having the whole car oversprayed by Maaco for $300 or so. look for a coupon aslo tell them its a midget convertible.B i paid even less than the discount because the car was so small.B :- ) ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" To: "Dean Hedin" , "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:57:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help Funny...tried those...didn't match! B I used them in the engine bay and trunk floor just to see how close they matched. B I would not use them on any outer surfaces unless I was going for an "Arctic Camouflage" look. To: Spridgets Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 7:40:19 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" > you guys are getting waaay too deep. B This aint no concours car by any stretch of the term. B i just want to touch up some spots! Exactly, that's why you should touch it up with the original oil alkyd enamel type of paint. Better known today as Rustoleum. B Available in Gloss White , Canvas, and of course my favorite: Antique White. Of course if you paint the whole car with Rustoleum, touch up color matching will never more be an issue. B Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From sales at justbrits.com Mon Jan 11 21:27:01 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:27:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <282826.25349.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <744861737.11100561263246911617.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><83655.21568.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <58110.63786.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A22E370F1B946469DF2631F1DE4B9CC@blackbox2> <282826.25349.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4BFA15.9050401@justbrits.com> Ed [GREAT name, wot?? ]: Methinks your best solution is gonna be find an auto PAINT shop [non-insurgence types best] and take car to them and have scanned. Then BUY a pint [usually smallest they will sell]. So while you can/look around check to see IF the shop 'possible shop' "mixes their own" [lots but not all do it these days]. Then IF desired, take the pint to an Auto Paint Supply store and have put in rattle cans. If above fails but you CAN get paint scanned, send me the numbers and I'll get paint/rattle cans for you. Ed From redscirocco at hotmail.com Tue Jan 12 06:41:48 2010 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Tops, hoods. Message-ID: I'm getting ready to buy a new vinyl top for my '73 Midget, and I'm looking for some advice on the price to value ratio of some of the commonly available brands. I'm looking at: Ez-on - at $200 this is the least expensive option. U.S. made, with Haartz vinyl. Robbins - I think VB has these on sale for $329 - a company with name recognition and a good reputation Coventry - Also on sale, for $359 - OEM for not much more than Robbins. Now, like most of us, I plan to use the top as little as possible. Hopefully, it will spend its summers tucked under the top boot, waiting for winter storage. Of course, that's not always possible, so I need a top that keeps water out of my new interior and doesn't look like a cheap rag for those times when I get caught out in a shower. This is a driver, not a concours show car, and the difference between the Ez-on and the Coventry would buy a lot of other parts that I need. So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any experience, positive or negative, with these tops? TIA, -Mike Eldred '73 Midget '54 MG TF '51 Willys M-38 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From eap2140 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 08:15:15 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Tops, hoods. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <374686.38096.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just had my Robbins top installed. It's a great fit and very durable. I'm pretty pleased with it. It came with all new fastners (except the six that are mounted on the body). You can find them much cheaper on ebay or even craigslist if you're lucky. ________________________________ From: Mike Eldred To: spridgets at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 5:41:48 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Tops, hoods. I'm getting ready to buy a new vinyl top for my '73 Midget, and I'm looking for some advice on the price to value ratio of some of the commonly available brands. I'm looking at: Ez-on - at $200 this is the least expensive option. U.S. made, with Haartz vinyl. Robbins - I think VB has these on sale for $329 - a company with name recognition and a good reputation Coventry - Also on sale, for $359 - OEM for not much more than Robbins. Now, like most of us, I plan to use the top as little as possible. Hopefully, it will spend its summers tucked under the top boot, waiting for winter storage. Of course, that's not always possible, so I need a top that keeps water out of my new interior and doesn't look like a cheap rag for those times when I get caught out in a shower. This is a driver, not a concours show car, and the difference between the Ez-on and the Coventry would buy a lot of other parts that I need. So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any experience, positive or negative, with these tops? TIA, -Mike Eldred '73 Midget '54 MG TF '51 Willys M-38 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From richb at u.washington.edu Tue Jan 12 09:06:09 2010 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:06:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Tops, hoods. References: Message-ID: <6C23941F18674BDAAC708F42F45F439D@psych.washington.edu> Northwest Import Parts in the Portland Oregon area carries the Robbins tops at a $279.00. Probably where I'll buy when I replace mine. NFI http://northwestimportparts.com/Midget-Tops-and-Tonneau-i46.aspx Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Eldred" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:41 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Tops, hoods. > I'm getting ready to buy a new vinyl top for my '73 Midget, and I'm > looking > for some advice on the price to value ratio of some of the commonly > available > brands. I'm looking at: > > > > Ez-on - at $200 this is the least expensive option. U.S. made, with > Haartz > vinyl. > > > > Robbins - I think VB has these on sale for $329 - a company with name > recognition and a good reputation > > > > Coventry - Also on sale, for $359 - OEM for not much more than Robbins. > > > > Now, like most of us, I plan to use the top as little as possible. > Hopefully, > it will spend its summers tucked under the top boot, waiting for winter > storage. Of course, that's not always possible, so I need a top that > keeps > water out of my new interior and doesn't look like a cheap rag for those > times > when I get caught out in a shower. This is a driver, not a concours show > car, > and the difference between the Ez-on and the Coventry would buy a lot of > other > parts that I need. > > > > > > So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any > experience, > positive or negative, with these tops? > > > > TIA, > > > > -Mike Eldred > > '73 Midget > > '54 MG TF > > '51 Willys M-38 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 10:51:51 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:51:51 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: Enquiring minds want to know why anti-lock brakes are called ABS? Also what car first had them.... In a message dated 11/01/2010 22:32:02 GMT Standard Time, dwgwater at hotmail.com writes: The ABS From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:55:06 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:55:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402188521001120955q6d160b67va3772376e8054aaa@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, wrote: > Enquiring minds want to know why anti-lock brakes are called ABS? Also > what car first had them.... Anti-lock Braking System. Not mine! David L From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 10:55:39 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:55:39 EST Subject: [Spridgets] rear disc brake conversion Message-ID: Your hope would be in vain because it is the seal between the hub oil seal and the axle casing, rather than any part of the brakes, that retain the axle seal. If you have a rear axle oil leak at the hub and you've changed the hub oil seal and still have a leak (and it's not from the O ring and gasket) the solution is a speedy sleeve. I think it was one of the Larry's from the list that put onto the speedy sleeve. Weslake-Monza 1330 disc drum and brakes on a penny. In a message dated 11/01/2010 18:03:54 GMT Standard Time, tr3.4.me at gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >> Stops on a dime, gives you nine cents change....why else DS > > Probably easier to change the pads, too. > Hopefully the conversion would result in a better seal (less prone to leaks) at the hub/axle too. From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 10:56:22 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:56:22 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: Nope. In a message dated 12/01/2010 17:55:22 GMT Standard Time, 72spridget at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, wrote: > Enquiring minds want to know why anti-lock brakes are called ABS? Also > what car first had them.... Anti-lock Braking System. Not mine! David L From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 12 11:01:22 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:01:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C83CAC7BC7F445687D82DE78E95C891@spider> Anti-lock braking system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system Anti-lock braking systems were first developed for aircraft in 1929 ...bill in oregon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ============================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:52 AM To: dwgwater at hotmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Enquiring minds want to know why anti-lock brakes are called ABS? Also what car first had them.... In a message dated 11/01/2010 22:32:02 GMT Standard Time, dwgwater at hotmail.com writes: The ABS _______________________________________________ From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 11:02:03 2010 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <919325.48749.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ABS = A nti-lock B rake S ystem I think I heard or read somewhere that the system was originally developed for airplanes, though not sure when or by who. As for cars, I think GM made first attempts in the 70's. - David --- On Tue, 1/12/10, weslakemonza1330 at aol.com wrote: From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes To: dwgwater at hotmail.com, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:51 AM Enquiring minds want to know why anti-lock brakes are called ABS? Also what car first had them.... In a message dated 11/01/2010 22:32:02 GMT Standard Time, dwgwater at hotmail.com writes: The ABS Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jfishbein at snet.net Tue Jan 12 11:04:21 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:04:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <402188521001120955q6d160b67va3772376e8054aaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <655335.1809.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ferguson, Jensen, and Ford Zodiac. jay fishbein wallingford, ct --- On Tue, 1/12/10, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: Also > what car first had them.... From biffjones at verizon.net Tue Jan 12 11:07:26 2010 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:07:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes References: Message-ID: Daniel, The first car (worldwide) to have ABS fitted as standard (across the entire range) was the Ford Granada Mk 3 (of 1985). Biff [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Jan 12 11:09:40 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:09:40 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What? You can't google? :) Anti-lock Braking System Anti-lock braking systems were first developed for aircraft in 1929, by the French automobile and aircraft pioneer, Gabriel Voisin From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system Robert D > From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com > > Nope. > > In a message dated 12/01/2010 17:55:22 GMT Standard Time, > 72spridget at gmail.com writes: > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, wrote: > > Enquiring minds want to know why anti-lock brakes are called ABS? Also > > what car first had them.... > > Anti-lock Braking System. > > Not mine! > David L From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 12 11:09:38 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:09:38 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <5C83CAC7BC7F445687D82DE78E95C891@spider> References: <5C83CAC7BC7F445687D82DE78E95C891@spider> Message-ID: <88018E2E53D94DBA8C0ED621C6D1AA99@spider> Chrysler, together with the Bendix Corporation, introduced a true computerized three-channel all-wheel antilock brake system called "Sure Brake" on the 1971 Imperial. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Tue Jan 12 11:20:37 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:20:37 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anti-lock braking systems were first developed for aircraft in 1929, by the But that was ABS in the same sense that 1950 Chryslers had four wheel disc brakes. I'm not sure it really counts. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Jan 12 11:47:55 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:47:55 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: It really doesn't count, especially since I had lost sight of the question, ... which was which "car" had the first anti-lock brake system. :( Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen ) > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:20:37 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes > From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com > To: robertduquette at sympatico.ca; spridgets at autox.team.net > > > Anti-lock braking systems were first developed for aircraft in 1929, by the > But that was ABS in the same sense that 1950 Chryslers had four wheel disc > brakes. I'm not sure it really counts. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:52:36 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:52:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001121052i13a53bd5wedb745ae6f56b1ef@mail.gmail.com> What Jay said.... Jensen FF, 1966 thru 1971 had the Ferguson all wheel drive and came with ABS brakes. I believe it was the first car to do so though only in the UK. They only made 320 of them but I recall seeing a few in the late 60s when I lived int he UK. An amazing looking car. Wish I could have driven one! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jensen_FF Cheers!! Jim On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Biff Jones wrote: > Daniel, > > The first car (worldwide) to have ABS fitted as standard (across the entire > range) was the Ford Granada Mk 3 (of 1985). > > Biff From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:46:41 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:46:41 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: No and close. In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:02:04 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: ABS = A nti-lock B rake S ystem I think I heard or read somewhere that the system was originally developed for airplanes, though not sure when or by who. As for cars, I think GM made first attempts in the 70's. - David From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:47:26 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:47:26 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: Wikipedia is wrong and yes but what was the first automotive application? In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:05:40 GMT Standard Time, corvallis at peoplepc.com writes: Anti-lock braking system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system Anti-lock braking systems were first developed for aircraft in 1929 ...bill in oregon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:48:44 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:48:44 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: Correct, Ferguson on the Jensen FF interceptor - FF for Ferguson Formula. I might as well add that this was a development of the Dunlop maxaret system developed for aircraft. In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:05:52 GMT Standard Time, jfishbein at snet.net writes: Ferguson, Jensen, and Ford Zodiac. jay fishbein wallingford, ct From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:49:21 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:49:21 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: But the Jensen FF Interceptor was first! In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:07:52 GMT Standard Time, biffjones at verizon.net writes: Daniel, The first car (worldwide) to have ABS fitted as standard (across the entire range) was the Ford Granada Mk 3 (of 1985). Biff From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 12 12:49:03 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:49:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Choices - heads, cranks, and blocks Message-ID: <46E7C8BF9F234A72A961F9D96AECB8B3@Home> I have two 1275 heads from which to choose: One is fairly rusty but cleanable, a newer version (sculpted surface, Vizard p170) with a standard casting number 12G 295. It is apparently unmodified, with small valves, although it looks like there may have been a little reduction in the guide boss. I have not yet taken out the valves (no spring compressor), so it is hard to tell. The other is in good condition but apparently older (flat surface, Vizard p169) with casting number 12G 1316, which I have not yet been able to find described anywhere. It has much larger valves and has been shaved roughly 0.068". Dema Elgin says my cam (one step above Cooper S) should not use a compression ratio greater than 9:1, so it is possible that this head is shaved too much. Similarly, I have two cranks, one rusty and one clean. Neither is obviously modified from stock (crank journal 1.625"). Both have holes drilled through. One is marked B1 and the other P1, the meaning of which I have not yet found. And I have two blocks, both reasonably clean. Both are 12G 1279 with miscellaneous other numbers (2 155 103MD, 1 184 10L), the meaning of which I have not yet found. They do not look different to my inexperienced eye. Any thoughts on the relative merits of any of these pieces to be modified as necessary for a "medium" level of upgrade? Michael Rowe From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:50:43 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:50:43 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: I think 2 channel came first and both came after the Dunlop Maxaret system fitted to the Jensen Interceptor and Chrysler/Bendix didn't invent ABS. In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:09:58 GMT Standard Time, corvallis at peoplepc.com writes: Chrysler, together with the Bendix Corporation, introduced a true computerized three-channel all-wheel antilock brake system called "Sure Brake" on the 1971 Imperial. From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:54:16 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:54:16 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: Except they weren't called ABS for a specific reason. Wow I got the list foxed on this one + pity I didn't have so many response to stainless steel trunnion bolts. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:52:48 GMT Standard Time, bmwwxman at gmail.com writes: What Jay said.... Jensen FF, 1966 thru 1971 had the Ferguson all wheel drive and came with ABS brakes. I believe it was the first car to do so though only in the UK. They From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 13:01:51 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:01:51 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Anti Blockier System by Bosch Message-ID: Needed Wiki in german for ABS _http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiblockiersystem_ (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiblockiersystem) Anti Blockier System ABS - I think it was Bosch who invented electronic ABS, or at least they claim to have invented it. Being German they abbreviated it in German and so ABS means anti lock brakes which abreviates to ALB or sometimes ALBS. Can you imagine how **issed a car magazine was when I wrote to tell them that Bosch didn't invent anti lock braking, even if they did call it ABS? Bear in mind this scuppered a competition sponsored by Bosch. The dunlop maxaret system used on the Jensen FF Interceptor was a mechanical system. I bet if Ulix was on the list he'd have got this one. Weslake-Monza 1330 From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 13:06:13 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:06:13 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Choices - heads, cranks, and blocks Message-ID: I don't think a cam every suffers from an engine with too much compression but radical cams suffer if they have too little compression. Surprised at what Elgin said. You've posted casting numbers for the blocks - do they have engine numbers on them? 12G 1279 is not a reference number I'm aware of for a block. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 12/01/2010 19:52:10 GMT Standard Time, mdrowe at optonline.net writes: The other is in good condition but apparently older (flat surface, Vizard p169) with casting number 12G 1316, which I have not yet been able to find described anywhere. It has much larger valves and has been shaved roughly 0.068". Dema Elgin says my cam (one step above Cooper S) should not use a compression ratio greater than 9:1, so it is possible that this head is shaved too much. And I have two blocks, both reasonably clean. Both are 12G 1279 with miscellaneous other numbers (2 155 103MD, 1 184 10L), the meaning of which I have not yet found. They do not look different to my inexperienced eye. Any thoughts on the relative merits of any of these pieces to be modified as necessary for a "medium" level of upgrade? From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 13:32:22 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:32:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001121232v46360ec0y397cccd3f65d91b6@mail.gmail.com> Daniel, Biff is still correct in that the Ford Granada was the first car to go world wide with ABS (which is what he said). The Jensen FF Interceptor wasn't available in left hand drive so never went world wide. Cheers!! Jim On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:54 PM, wrote: > Except they weren't called ABS for a specific reason. > > Wow I got the list foxed on this one + pity I didn't have so many response > to stainless steel trunnion bolts. > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:52:48 GMT Standard Time, > bmwwxman at gmail.com writes: > > What Jay said.... > > Jensen FF, 1966 thru 1971 had the Ferguson all wheel drive and came with > ABS > brakes. I believe it was the first car to do so though only in the UK. They > > > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From PAsgeirsson at att.net Tue Jan 12 13:54:08 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:54:08 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Tool Message-ID: <001401ca93c9$63fcc560$f675fea9@p0k7l8> OK, guys, so you want to cut down on tools when you take your car further than the end of the driveway? Just get this and a hammer (BFH) like Frank C carries, and you can go antwhere! CHANNELLOCK Introduces 6.5" V-Jaw Tongue and Groove Plier Later, Paul A From fastvee at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 13:53:07 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:53:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Choices - heads, cranks, and blocks In-Reply-To: <46E7C8BF9F234A72A961F9D96AECB8B3@Home> Message-ID: <479344.8086.qm@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Michael, Here is a start and I'm sure others will add to it. The 1316 head came from a 1275 and is the one you should use provided it checks out OK. The 295 was really a small bore head, and as you noticed the valves are too small. Used to be that everyone had to have the 12G940 head, but the 1316 can flow just as good and the only difference is the air injection ports. Did you measure the thickness of the head to determine that it was cut .068"? That's not a lot and I wouldn't worry about it because it is only the final chamber volume that will matter. You can correct for that during the other head work by unshrouding and adjusting valve depth. More important is to look to see how deep the valves are seated and then pull the valves and check the seat for damage. If there are problems with the seats it would be cheaper to look for another head, but you could install seat inserts or larger valves to correct this. To evaluate the cranks first bend a heavy piece of wire to insert in one of the crank flange bolt holes, and ring it! In other words, suspend it and tap it with a hammer on one of the C'weights. If you get a thud you can pitch it in the trash, if it "Rings" you have a keeper and can evaluate the journals, etc. The block numbers don't mean much to me, but the first thing I would do is to look inside for cylinder sleeves. Lots of blocks were sleeved, and normally you don't want to start with one of those. They can't be bored reliably past .020", and you don't know what kind of damage was corrected by sleeving. Buying and replacing sleeves is expensive, and I would just find another block. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Michael Rowe wrote: From: Michael Rowe Subject: [Spridgets] Choices - heads, cranks, and blocks To: "Spridget Chat Group" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:49 PM I have two 1275 heads from which to choose: One is fairly rusty but cleanable, a newer version (sculpted surface, Vizard p170) with a standard casting number 12G 295. It is apparently unmodified, with small valves, although it looks like there may have been a little reduction in the guide boss. I have not yet taken out the valves (no spring compressor), so it is hard to tell. The other is in good condition but apparently older (flat surface, Vizard p169) with casting number 12G 1316, which I have not yet been able to find described anywhere. It has much larger valves and has been shaved roughly 0.068". Dema Elgin says my cam (one step above Cooper S) should not use a compression ratio greater than 9:1, so it is possible that this head is shaved too much. Similarly, I have two cranks, one rusty and one clean. Neither is obviously modified from stock (crank journal 1.625"). Both have holes drilled through. One is marked B1 and the other P1, the meaning of which I have not yet found. And I have two blocks, both reasonably clean. Both are 12G 1279 with miscellaneous other numbers (2 155 103MD, 1 184 10L), the meaning of which I have not yet found. They do not look different to my inexperienced eye. Any thoughts on the relative merits of any of these pieces to be modified as necessary for a "medium" level of upgrade? Michael Rowe Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 13:54:52 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:54:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001121232v46360ec0y397cccd3f65d91b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001121232v46360ec0y397cccd3f65d91b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188521001121254n176e8097h6c040ec7899b6c96@mail.gmail.com> > Biff is still correct in that the Ford Granada was the first car to go world > wide with ABS (which is what he said). The Jensen FF Interceptor wasn't > available in left hand drive so never went world wide. And perhaps in England ABS stands for something in German (figures), but in the US it has always stood for Anti-lock Brake System. Did someone say something about tools... David L From peter at nosimport.com Tue Jan 12 14:06:08 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:06:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List donations Message-ID: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Interestingly, while Mark B suggests the Spridget listers donate $12.75, and Triumph listers $11.47, he hasn't suggested $18.00 for the MG lsiters or $29.12 for the Healey listers...... Just sayin' Peter C From jfishbein at snet.net Tue Jan 12 14:11:24 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:11:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] List donations In-Reply-To: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <330236.40596.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> We do generate a bit of traffic over here. I subscribed to the Mini list a few years ago and the list activity was minimal. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Peter Caldwell wrote: Interestingly, while Mark B suggests the Spridget listers donate $12.75, and Triumph listers $11.47, he hasn't suggested $18.00 for the MG lsiters or $29.12 for the Healey listers...... Just sayin' From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 12 14:18:40 2010 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (cmanuel at wi.rr.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:18:40 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001121232v46360ec0y397cccd3f65d91b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100112211840.3ALN8.197655.root@hrndva-web27-z02> I'm sorry, but after reading the past few posts, i just can't get the image of a US Ford Granada out of my mind. I do recall the first time driving/testing ABS in a Merkur Xr4Ti though. ---- Jim Johnson wrote: > Daniel, > > Biff is still correct in that the Ford Granada was the first car to go world > wide with ABS (which is what he said). The Jensen FF Interceptor wasn't > available in left hand drive so never went world wide. > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:54 PM, wrote: > > > Except they weren't called ABS for a specific reason. > > > > Wow I got the list foxed on this one + pity I didn't have so many response > > to stainless steel trunnion bolts. > > > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > > > In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:52:48 GMT Standard Time, > > bmwwxman at gmail.com writes: > > > > What Jay said.... > > > > Jensen FF, 1966 thru 1971 had the Ferguson all wheel drive and came with > > ABS > > brakes. I believe it was the first car to do so though only in the UK. They > > > > > > > > > > -- > Cheers!! From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Tue Jan 12 14:19:10 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:19:10 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List donations In-Reply-To: <330236.40596.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <330236.40596.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What if you belong to multiple lists? I belong to the Spridget list and the Healey list. I see less than half the traffic on the big Healey list as the other. Mike MacLean 60 AN5 56 BN2 On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Jay Fishbein wrote: > We do generate a bit of traffic over here. > > I subscribed to the Mini list a few years ago and the list activity was > minimal. > > jay fishbein > > wallingford, ct > > 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) > > 61 Innocenti 950 > > 61 Innocenti 950 > > 63 Innocenti S > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Peter Caldwell wrote: > > Interestingly, while Mark B suggests the Spridget listers donate $12.75, > and Triumph listers $11.47, he hasn't suggested $18.00 for the MG lsiters or > $29.12 for the Healey listers...... > > Just sayin' > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 14:35:31 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:35:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List donations In-Reply-To: References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <330236.40596.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001121335s2fdebbe8oed867b01d0c01ea8@mail.gmail.com> All ya gotta do is add $12.75 to $29.12 to discover that you should paypal $41.87 to Fat Chance Garage... Unless, of course, you have multiple Spridgets and need to add their displacements to the total as well. Also, displacement bumps should be taken into account. ISTR that DS owes GBP13.30 ;-) David L On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:19 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > What if you belong to multiple lists? I belong to the Spridget list and the > Healey list. I see less than half the traffic on the big Healey list as the > other. From jfishbein at snet.net Tue Jan 12 14:35:52 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:35:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <20100112211840.3ALN8.197655.root@hrndva-web27-z02> Message-ID: <443819.94913.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> "I do recall the first time driving/testing ABS in a Merkur Xr4Ti though." Some years ago, I was walking through the paddock at Lime Rock with my ex when we had this exchange: EX: "I like those Exeratti's", JAY: "Huh"? EX:: "Exerati's" JAY: "What are you talking about?" EX: "That car, right there." JAY: "That's an XR4Ti!" EX: "Oh." jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Tue, 1/12/10, cmanuel at wi.rr.com wrote: From mgmaven at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 12 15:17:48 2010 From: mgmaven at bellsouth.net (Bob Spruck) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:17:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Jack stands In-Reply-To: <739602.77669.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100110215603.5BBF218764A@autox.team.net> <463676.52298.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <87d2rg$7qb5vg@email.mtu.edu> <739602.77669.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100112221759.CC1DF187668@autox.team.net> When I used concrete blocks in the days before I had jack stands, I would set them with the openings up, as they would be if you were building a wall. I also placed a piece of 2x4 or 2x6 on top, that was longer than the length of the block, thus spanning all three of the block's cross pieces and distributing the weight over the vertical parts rather than the horizontal parts of the block. The wood also provided some "grip" for the metal to indent. Would this be a better or even acceptable way for those who don't have jack stands? I set my 6 parts cars in the woods up this way since all four pairs of jack stands are either in use or in my shop, ready to be used. Bob MGMaven and MotorMouth/south At 09:31 PM 1/11/2010, Dan Dwelley wrote: >When you load points V think about this! VV is only 16" long and uprights A,b, >and c support VV thus making V only about 7" each...Keep in mind that VV is >equally loaded. unless you load V with a sharp edge thus creating a point load >which will place V in tension creating deflection. > >(Do you see where I'm >going here? ) > >Thanks for listening. > >Dan > > > > >_ From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 15:27:25 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:27:25 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: <12fde.791f6eee.387e514d@aol.com> Well that surprises with the Jensen having a Chrysler engine an all.. Did you really get the Ford Granada? Did it have the Type 9 five speed gearbox in it? In a message dated 12/01/2010 20:36:56 GMT Standard Time, bmwwxman at gmail.com writes: Daniel, Biff is still correct in that the Ford Granada was the first car to go world wide with ABS (which is what he said). The Jensen FF Interceptor wasn't available in left hand drive so never went world wide. Cheers!! Jim From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 15:30:33 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:30:33 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: <13167.3bf4cfa0.387e5209@aol.com> ABS can't mean ALBS - it's just a convenience for non German speakers to Anti and Lock together. I mean the Germans invented ABS so they must be right? Over here everyone thinks ABS means anti-lock brakes and don't get as far as working out the mismatch. I suppose you'll be telling me that BMW stands for BMW Motor Works next??? In a message dated 12/01/2010 20:55:06 GMT Standard Time, 72spridget at gmail.com writes: And perhaps in England ABS stands for something in German (figures), but in the US it has always stood for Anti-lock Brake System. Did someone say something about tools... David L From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 15:37:35 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:37:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <13167.3bf4cfa0.387e5209@aol.com> References: <13167.3bf4cfa0.387e5209@aol.com> Message-ID: <402188521001121437s7518f55cg26245eeb218b76f9@mail.gmail.com> > ABS can't mean ALBS - it's just a convenience for non German speakers to > Anti and Lock together. I mean the Germans invented ABS so they must be > right? Over here everyone thinks ABS means anti-lock brakes and don't get > as far as working out the mismatch. That is part of the fun of the English language. Hyphenated words can go either way. If you WANT to use both letters, you can; if you don't want to use both letters, you don't have to. I stand by my previous statement that here in the US "ABS" has only ever stood for "Anti-lock Brake System". David L From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 15:50:50 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:50:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <13167.3bf4cfa0.387e5209@aol.com> References: <13167.3bf4cfa0.387e5209@aol.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001121450n5f4d3069wd3ef76a5772b8b37@mail.gmail.com> Daniel, All made in Germany BMW motorcycles with anit-lock brake systems have the letters ABS emblazoned on them. When I buy German made brake parts for them from my Swiss supplier who is British, we call them ABS. My 1989 K100LT ABS has "ABS" printed on the modulators. It was made in Germany. Things may have changed before 1984 - I don't know about that, but from that time on the Bayerische Motoren Werke (BMW) has known it as "ABS". Cheers!! Jim 1968 Midget 1989 K100LT 1976 R90/6 1964 R60/2 On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > ABS can't mean ALBS - it's just a convenience for non German speakers to > Anti and Lock together. I mean the Germans invented ABS so they must be > right? Over here everyone thinks ABS means anti-lock brakes and don't get > as > far as working out the mismatch. > > I suppose you'll be telling me that BMW stands for BMW Motor Works next??? > > In a message dated 12/01/2010 20:55:06 GMT Standard Time, > 72spridget at gmail.com writes: > > And perhaps in England ABS stands for something in German (figures), > but in the US it has always stood for Anti-lock Brake System. > Did someone say something about tools... > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 16:25:32 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:25:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Tops, hoods. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4D04EC.104@comcast.net> Mike Eldred wrote: > > > So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any experience, > positive or negative, with these tops? > > I have used EZ on on a couple of Sprites and a Big Healey. Nice fit, no problems. 7 years on my Bugeye top but it spends most of it's time rolled up in the boot. No rips yet and I do use it every year out at Carlisle because it rains every year at Carlisle. ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From sales at justbrits.com Tue Jan 12 16:30:37 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:30:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Tops, hoods. In-Reply-To: <4B4D04EC.104@comcast.net> References: <4B4D04EC.104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B4D061D.40309@justbrits.com> << I do use it every year out at Carlisle because it rains every year at Carlisle. >> And/or Kevin's Rally [if he & Rob EVER get their act back together again], huh Frank ?!?!? "What da f*ck are YOU doin' here?" !!! LOL & LMAO [Sorry Lady Di !!] Anon From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Tue Jan 12 16:31:17 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:31:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] oil leaks MAJOR at rpm Message-ID: The oil pressure saga I have been havng with Iris has got to come to an end. As most know, Iris's oil pressure has been arond 7 - 10 at idle and 20 or so at rpm (motor only has around 1.5k on it). Front felt seal failed with only around 1k on motor so I changed over to a neoprene seal , also just changed out the oil pressure relief spring and no change. Today on a short ride at around 55 when I glanced in the rear view morror it looked like a fogger. Pulled over and oil was dripping from all over the underside. No leaks from the timing seal, none from around the pan.... soooo.... pistons are on their way, and gathering prts. New bottom end will get done along with a check of the current head on Iris. Is it possible to pull the motor without removing the bonnet? any body have good method to re-ligning the hood in a manner which is SAFE in relaations to paint? I really dont want any chips in the paint. This is getting to be a drag:( Maybe Iris needs the 1275 sitting here installed in her... Better get that thought out of my mind.. Leo From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 16:37:39 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:37:39 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes In-Reply-To: <402188521001121437s7518f55cg26245eeb218b76f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <13167.3bf4cfa0.387e5209@aol.com> <402188521001121437s7518f55cg26245eeb218b76f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4D07C3.6010007@comcast.net> David Lieb wrote: > > here in the US "ABS" has only ever stood for "Anti-lock > Brake System". > It stood for black plastic pipe before it stood for anti-lock brakes. ABS per the plumber == All Black Shit Like PVC stands for Polly Vinyl Cloride or something like that or is it Positive Ventilating Crankcase ;) Just Ed From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 12 16:39:18 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Choices - heads, cranks, and blocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >You've posted casting numbers for the blocks - do they have engine numbers on them? They were sitting upside down and I didn't notice the plate. One is 12CD/DA/H 25363 ('68 MK3 MG). The other is 12CJ/DA/H 36677 ('70-'71 MK 4 MG). Michael Rowe From grday at btinternet.com Tue Jan 12 16:57:23 2010 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:57:23 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes References: Message-ID: <275DCE9C85E840839281CC93EF09D0E3@user8634b3d69b> Ferguson used the Dunlop Maxaret system. I used to own one of the Ford Zephyr MkIVs they modified. They originally did 28 for the Home Office for trials which resulted in Police Forces having to buy a certain percentage of 4 WD vehicles. The resultant motor was interesting and they did another 8 after the first batch. I sold mine for a pittance to the then Treasurer of the Ford Zephyr Owners Club in the Midlands. Ferguson used Zodiacs but they were badged as a Zephyr. This vehicle model was the first 'computer designed car' for Ford (over here) and Ford sent a service leaflet to their garages listing a total of 128 modifications around 6 months after being on the road. They were a real pig to drive quickly but the Ferguson modifications made it into a wholly different car. I've still got the service manual / booklet listing the Ferguson modifications that were done to the vehicle and they even moved the engine and transmission sideways 1.5inches to obtain a better balance. The Ferguson 4WD system was the fore runner of most modern day non mechanical 4WD systems, using a silicon fluid between rotors. All of Audis early 4WD was based on Ferguson work. Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes > Correct, Ferguson on the Jensen FF interceptor - FF for Ferguson Formula. > I might as well add that this was a development of the Dunlop maxaret > system developed for aircraft. > > In a message dated 12/01/2010 18:05:52 GMT Standard Time, > jfishbein at snet.net writes: > > Ferguson, Jensen, and Ford Zodiac. > > jay fishbein > > wallingford, ct From jackson.skip at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 17:22:20 2010 From: jackson.skip at yahoo.com (Skip Jackson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:22:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle Message-ID: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm planning ahead; what are the dates for Carlisle this year? My brother (the Model A brother as opposed to the AA Gas Dragster brother) goes to Hershey every year. Thanks, Skip J. From froggi60 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 17:25:45 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:25:45 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001121625g2d8495a7maf9517945b788c78@mail.gmail.com> When did they start letting "AA" guys drive dragsters??? That's scary! (13th step?) On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Skip Jackson wrote: > I'm planning ahead; what are the dates for Carlisle this year? My brother > (the Model A brother as opposed to the AA Gas Dragster brother) goes to > Hershey every year. > Thanks, Skip J. From jackson.skip at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 17:50:10 2010 From: jackson.skip at yahoo.com (Skip Jackson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:50:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle Message-ID: <241365.43533.qm@web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Finish line before you can say the first step. Engine almost six times a 948. Skip J. From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 18:28:05 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] oil leaks MAJOR at rpm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4D21A5.1090404@comcast.net> Leo S wrote: > Is it possible to pull the motor without removing > the bonnet? YES Floor jack method. Undo the motor mounts, remove the carbs, exhaust manifold, starter, dizzy and oil filter. Unbolt the motor (or motor and trans if pulling both) Put a towel on the steering rack, Use a floor jack to jack up the engine so the fron pulley clears the cross member, pull forward a little, it's now loose. Jack it up so the pan clears the cross member and just like the playtex living bra, lift & separate. Slide it over the towel on the steering rack, have an assistant balance it on the rack, pull the jack out to the front of the car and put it back under the motor. Pull it away from the car. I have done it many times, and I have done it without an assistant but balancing the engine with one hand while lowering, and moving the floor jack gets scary. It all slides out right between the radiator supports. Oh yeah, you have to remove the radiator too. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 18:33:01 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:33:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> Skip Jackson wrote: > I'm planning ahead; what are the dates for Carlisle this year? May 21-23 http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/events/ -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 18:46:47 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:46:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] oil leaks MAJOR at rpm In-Reply-To: <4B4D21A5.1090404@comcast.net> References: <4B4D21A5.1090404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4333f8141001121746h62a938b2of9b23dd245f34dca@mail.gmail.com> Frank, I take it that reassembly is the reverse of disassembly? Hal On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Frank wrote: > Leo S wrote: > >> Is it possible to pull the motor without removing >> the bonnet? >> > > YES > > Floor jack method. > Undo the motor mounts, remove the carbs, exhaust manifold, starter, dizzy > and oil filter. > Unbolt the motor (or motor and trans if pulling both) > Put a towel on the steering rack, > Use a floor jack to jack up the engine so the fron pulley clears the cross > member, pull forward a little, it's now loose. > Jack it up so the pan clears the cross member and just like the playtex > living bra, lift & separate. > Slide it over the towel on the steering rack, have an assistant balance it > on the rack, pull the jack out to the front of the car and put it back under > the motor. > Pull it away from the car. > I have done it many times, and I have done it without an assistant but > balancing the engine with one hand while lowering, and moving the floor jack > gets scary. > It all slides out right between the radiator supports. > Oh yeah, you have to remove the radiator too. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 19:10:29 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:10:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] oil leaks MAJOR at rpm In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001121746h62a938b2of9b23dd245f34dca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4D21A5.1090404@comcast.net> <4333f8141001121746h62a938b2of9b23dd245f34dca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4D2B95.6000903@comcast.net> Hal Faulkner wrote: > Frank, > I take it that reassembly is the reverse of disassembly? And it's in and out quicker than trying to put a bugeye bonnet back on. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jan 12 19:15:30 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:15:30 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> Paul Dorsey wrote: > Why the odd amounts? > Those "odd" amounts are the displacments, in cubic centimeters, of engines related to the list topic. Sure, I'd love to have Spitfire owners donate $1,147 at a time, but $11.47 is more likely. mjb. From daredelvis at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 19:18:37 2010 From: daredelvis at gmail.com (brian james) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:18:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: <531383561001121818g581d1473qa307f089f4302e@mail.gmail.com> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> <531383561001121818g581d1473qa307f089f4302e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <531383561001121818l1e60121cw9e0369adc642ea8a@mail.gmail.com> Shouldn't the Spitfire be $15,00, or the spridget should be 948... On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Paul Dorsey wrote: >> >> Why the odd amounts? >> > Those "odd" amounts are the displacments, in cubic centimeters, of engines > related > to the list topic. Sure, I'd love to have Spitfire owners donate $1,147 at > a time, but > $11.47 is more likely. > > mjb. From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 12 19:19:30 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:19:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <598742E7C3174855A88C0F24AE023815@spider> I wondered about that. Didn't this all start with a 948cc motor? ...bill in oregon (my donation is in) =============================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:16 PM To: spridgets; Triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations Paul Dorsey wrote: > Why the odd amounts? > Those "odd" amounts are the displacments, in cubic centimeters, of engines related to the list topic. Sure, I'd love to have Spitfire owners donate $1,147 at a time, but $11.47 is more likely. mjb. From froggi60 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 19:28:12 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:28:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: <598742E7C3174855A88C0F24AE023815@spider> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> <598742E7C3174855A88C0F24AE023815@spider> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001121828n59901c05qc84f3c699f70c74b@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, 948....and that's (point) .948 of a litre...not even $l.00. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM, wrote: > I wondered about that. Didn't this all start with a 948cc motor? > ...bill in oregon (my donation is in) From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 19:28:20 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:28:20 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List donations In-Reply-To: <330236.40596.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <330236.40596.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001121828m147bcd8fj17cdb05ceed21ad9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Jay Fishbein wrote: > > I subscribed to the Mini list a few years ago and the list activity was > minimal. > > Well, it would be now, wouldn't it? Hal From daredelvis at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 19:28:47 2010 From: daredelvis at gmail.com (brian james) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:28:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: <598742E7C3174855A88C0F24AE023815@spider> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> <598742E7C3174855A88C0F24AE023815@spider> Message-ID: <531383561001121828v5d9b88cbpf1f5784ca020cee2@mail.gmail.com> My point. (mine too) On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:19 PM, wrote: > I wondered about that. Didn't this all start with a 948cc motor? > ...bill in oregon (my donation is in) > =============================== > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:16 PM > To: spridgets; Triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations > > Paul Dorsey wrote: >> Why the odd amounts? >> > Those "odd" amounts are the displacments, in cubic centimeters, of > engines related > to the list topic. Sure, I'd love to have Spitfire owners donate $1,147 > at a time, but $11.47 is more likely. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as daredelvis at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 12 19:35:22 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:35:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b11001121828n59901c05qc84f3c699f70c74b@mail.gmail.com> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> <598742E7C3174855A88C0F24AE023815@spider> <2ad6c6b11001121828n59901c05qc84f3c699f70c74b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 9.48 British Pounds = $15.30 _____ From: WFO Herb [mailto:froggi60 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:28 PM To: corvallis at peoplepc.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [TR] List donations Yeah, 948....and that's (point) .948 of a litre...not even $l.00. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM, wrote: I wondered about that. Didn't this all start with a 948cc motor? ...bill in oregon (my donation is in) From eap2140 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 19:57:17 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:57:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: <531383561001121818l1e60121cw9e0369adc642ea8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> <531383561001121818g581d1473qa307f089f4302e@mail.gmail.com> <531383561001121818l1e60121cw9e0369adc642ea8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <609473.282.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I have a Midget 1500 with a 1275 in it, does that mean I get a discount? ________________________________ From: brian james To: Spridgets Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:18:37 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [TR] List donations Shouldn't the Spitfire be $15,00, or the spridget should be 948... On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Paul Dorsey wrote: >> >> Why the odd amounts? >> > Those "odd" amounts are the displacments, in cubic centimeters, of engines > related > to the list topic. Sure, I'd love to have Spitfire owners donate $1,147 at > a time, but > $11.47 is more likely. > > mjb. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 21:34:30 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:34:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> Message-ID: Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a Bugeye? From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 21:52:09 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:52:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [TR] List donations In-Reply-To: <609473.282.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201001121306906.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <4B4D2CC2.8000005@bradakis.com> <531383561001121818g581d1473qa307f089f4302e@mail.gmail.com> <531383561001121818l1e60121cw9e0369adc642ea8a@mail.gmail.com> <609473.282.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001122052n57c9541aw80554f2f90df9875@mail.gmail.com> Hmmm.... I've currently got the engine out of my 68 Midget. Does that mean my donation is $0.00?? Just kidding Jim On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Edward Perez wrote: > If I have a Midget 1500 with a 1275 in it, does that mean I get a discount? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: brian james > To: Spridgets > Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:18:37 PM > Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [TR] List donations > > Shouldn't the Spitfire be $15,00, or the spridget should be 948... > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Mark J Bradakis > wrote: > > Paul Dorsey wrote: > >> > >> Why the odd amounts? > >> > > Those "odd" amounts are the displacments, in cubic centimeters, of > engines > > related > > to the list topic. Sure, I'd love to have Spitfire owners donate $1,147 > at > > a time, but > > $11.47 is more likely. > > > > mjb. > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From grday at btinternet.com Wed Jan 13 04:08:49 2010 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:08:49 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8454242.stm There are those who live and learn There are those who just live. From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 13 06:14:58 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: Yesterday, after my Ingersol-Rand air-powered saber saw (which is more aptly described/named "stall saw") once again began to stick in it's favorite mode (stalled), I contacted my local tool supplier to order a replacement. I ordered a Chicago Pneumatic model 9600. My tool guy tells me that, these days, automotive air tools are virtually all made "off-shore" (China) and, in his opinion, are equally bad. I've had that I-R air saw for roughly 20 years and it's been a real love-hate relationship. I love what it allows me to do (currently, I'm working in the rear fender well of one my water-cooled VWs, fitting up a new inner fender. Since I refuse to use a lap joint, in this application, the "stall saw" is used to cut the new panel to fit, using the un-rusted/collision damaged remains of the original for a saw guide. It's more than a bit tedious, but the finished product will be far more rust resistant than a crappy old lap joint. Anyway, I just wanted to express my frustration at being unable to buy a made in USA replacement for my Taiwanese I-R saw. My tool guy tells me that a local, Pittsburgh area manufacturer, which used to produce all of CP's & I-R's parts, has now began producing and selling those same tools under their own name, since the patents have been allowed to expire. They only produce the big, heavy, industrial stuff and it's quite pricey..........as in $1500 for a 1" drive impact wrench. Apparently, they have no plans to produce air tools for automotive use. I have to assume that this is because the clueless majority would opt for the cheap, Chinese-built crap thinking they were getting 'something for nothing"............And that's the problem; everybody wants something for nothing and so they keep pumping money into the Chinese economy and have turned us into China's biggest retailer. When I can find them, I virtually always buy "made in USA" and I often buy used, US-made tools from a used tool dealer about an hour north of where I live. When I'm looking at something at a store, I always make a point of asking (although I already know the answer) if they have an American-made example of the item I'm looking at. I let them know that I'm not at all happy about buying anything made in China and often just refuse to make the purchase, figuring I'll just do without, or scrounge up an older, American-made replacement somewhere. I view the flood of Chinese-made consumer (and industrial) products as a potentially terminal cancer that our country has become afflicted with. Somehow, we need to make a bigger issue out of this than it currently is, because it will eventually be our downfall. Climbing down from my soap box...... Bud Osbourne From heard at datatrontech.net Wed Jan 13 07:40:50 2010 From: heard at datatrontech.net (Heard) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ae01ca945e$6736c600$35a45200$@net> Bud, I agree wholeheartedly. I'm equally as sick of this junk as anyone. A while back, I considered setting up a web site specifically for Made in the USA stuff but I think someone has already done that. Like you, I always check and buy US if possible. If not, I go with the ABC (Anywhere But China) choice. Heard -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:15 AM To: 'Spridget Chat Group' Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Yesterday, after my Ingersol-Rand air-powered saber saw (which is more aptly described/named "stall saw") once again began to stick in it's favorite mode (stalled), I contacted my local tool supplier to order a replacement. I ordered a Chicago Pneumatic model 9600. My tool guy tells me that, these days, automotive air tools are virtually all made "off-shore" (China) and, in his opinion, are equally bad. I've had that I-R air saw for roughly 20 years and it's been a real love-hate relationship. I love what it allows me to do (currently, I'm working in the rear fender well of one my water-cooled VWs, fitting up a new inner fender. Since I refuse to use a lap joint, in this application, the "stall saw" is used to cut the new panel to fit, using the un-rusted/collision damaged remains of the original for a saw guide. It's more than a bit tedious, but the finished product will be far more rust resistant than a crappy old lap joint. Anyway, I just wanted to express my frustration at being unable to buy a made in USA replacement for my Taiwanese I-R saw. My tool guy tells me that a local, Pittsburgh area manufacturer, which used to produce all of CP's & I-R's parts, has now began producing and selling those same tools under their own name, since the patents have been allowed to expire. They only produce the big, heavy, industrial stuff and it's quite pricey..........as in $1500 for a 1" drive impact wrench. Apparently, they have no plans to produce air tools for automotive use. I have to assume that this is because the clueless majority would opt for the cheap, Chinese-built crap thinking they were getting 'something for nothing"............And that's the problem; everybody wants something for nothing and so they keep pumping money into the Chinese economy and have turned us into China's biggest retailer. When I can find them, I virtually always buy "made in USA" and I often buy used, US-made tools from a used tool dealer about an hour north of where I live. When I'm looking at something at a store, I always make a point of asking (although I already know the answer) if they have an American-made example of the item I'm looking at. I let them know that I'm not at all happy about buying anything made in China and often just refuse to make the purchase, figuring I'll just do without, or scrounge up an older, American-made replacement somewhere. I view the flood of Chinese-made consumer (and industrial) products as a potentially terminal cancer that our country has become afflicted with. Somehow, we need to make a bigger issue out of this than it currently is, because it will eventually be our downfall. Climbing down from my soap box...... Bud Osbourne Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as heard at datatrontech.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jan 13 08:03:10 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:03:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] oil leaks MAJOR at rpm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100113070394.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Leo, Before you dismantle everything, run the car for a while, then open the oil filler cap to see if the valve cover is quite full of oil. Low oil pressure can be caused by worn rocker arm bushings, and blowing blue smoke can be caused by oil getting past the non-existent guide seals which becomes flooded by oil when the rocker bushings are worn. Pretty inexpensive repair, and doesn't require head or engine removal. Peter C == At 05:31 PM 1/12/2010, Leo S wrote: >The oil pressure saga I have been havng with Iris has got to come to an end. >As most know, Iris's oil pressure has been arond 7 - 10 at idle and 20 or so >at rpm (motor only has around 1.5k on it). Front felt seal failed with only >around 1k on motor so I changed over to a neoprene seal , also just changed >out the oil pressure relief spring and no change. Today on a short ride at >around 55 when I glanced in the rear view morror it looked like a fogger. >Pulled over and oil was dripping from all over the underside. No leaks from >the timing seal, none from around the pan.... soooo.... pistons are on their >way, and gathering prts. New bottom end will get done along with a check of >the current head on Iris. Is it possible to pull the motor without removing >the bonnet? any body have good method to re-ligning the hood in a manner >which is SAFE in relaations to paint? I really dont want any chips in the >paint. This is getting to be a drag:( Maybe Iris needs the 1275 sitting here >installed in her... Better get that thought out of my mind.. > >Leo > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >You are subscribed as peter at nosimport.com > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: >01/12/10 01:35:00 From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 13 08:08:16 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:08:16 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] BMITH In-Reply-To: <4B33DF5C.5000807@justbrits.com> References: <579376.74439.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, , <4B32CA8A.3020502@justbrits.com> <4B32DDDB.9000601@justbrits.com>, , <4B33CE4E.1050807@justbrits.com>, , <4B33DF5C.5000807@justbrits.com> Message-ID: Unless what they're shopping for is a gun. Robert Duquette > << I haven't put any rounds through my S&W 4516 > (Officer's Model .45 ACP) since I retired but I still have > a box of Hydra-Shoks and a box of Black Talons for it! >> > > You should 'publish' in local 'rag' so the local idiots KNOW > what house NOT to even THINK about paying an illegal > 'visit' to !!!! > > Me From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:16:55 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:16:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> The problem is China CAN make quality stuff. People blame China for the crappy stuff. Really, China makes whatever is ordered by whomever. Factories in China can make a thing as good as any made elsewhere. But, someone has to order it and import it here. I have a friend that imports small machine tools. I own on of his 9X30 lathes. It is a very good unit for the $1200 I paid. He is the importer and everything he sells is very good or better quality wise. www.lathemaster.com is his website. From eap2140 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 08:18:03 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:18:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> Message-ID: <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://smoothline.com/photo_austin_healey.php To: Spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 8:34:30 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a Bugeye? Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:39:09 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:39:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> >> Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a Bugeye? > http://smoothline.com/photo_austin_healey.php I must be blind, as I could not find the requested Bugeye photo there. David L From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:42:35 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:42:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a Bugeye? > >> http://smoothline.com/photo_austin_healey.php > > I must be blind, as I could not find the requested Bugeye photo there. Me neither. Mostly just a bunch of big Healey's (according to the picture labels anyway!) From 72spridget at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:45:06 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:45:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188521001130745w5f526d8eu8c6b0c11519e3977@mail.gmail.com> > Me neither. Mostly just a bunch of big Healey's (according to the > picture labels anyway!) I guess they don't have that many Spridget owners willing to pay $1200 for a hardtop they don't want to need? David L From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 13 08:53:04 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:53:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com><402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Obviously, the 4th and 5th pics are mislabeled. Doesn't the 5th (OEW) look like a BE? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Foster" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM To: "Spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a >>> Bugeye? > >> http://smoothline.com/photo_austin_healey.php > > I must be blind, as I could not find the requested Bugeye photo there. Me neither. Mostly just a bunch of big Healey's (according to the picture labels anyway!) _______________________________________________ From eap2140 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 08:53:53 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:53:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23947.64859.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, gang... you're right. I scoured the internet and could not find a photo of a BE with a Smooth Line hard top. Maybe someone else will have better luck. ________________________________ From: Jeff Foster To: Spridget list Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 7:42:35 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a Bugeye? > >> http://smoothline.com/photo_austin_healey.php > > I must be blind, as I could not find the requested Bugeye photo there. Me neither. Mostly just a bunch of big Healey's (according to the picture labels anyway!) Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Wed Jan 13 08:59:16 2010 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:59:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops Message-ID: <1dfda01ca9469$5bde6960$056a010a@mail2world.com> If you zoom in on the poc, you can see the front end. Looks like a Sprite mkII/midget mk1. The 4th pic is a Midget 1500. Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: Larry Daniels [ladaniels at sbcglobal.net] Sent: 1/13/2010 10:53:04 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops Obviously, the 4th and 5th pics are mislabeled. Doesn't the 5th (OEW) look like a BE? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Foster" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM To: "Spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a >>> Bugeye? > >> http://smoothline.com/photo_austin_healey.php > > I must be blind, as I could not find the requested Bugeye photo there. Me neither. Mostly just a bunch of big Healey's (according to the picture labels anyway!) _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets . From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 13 09:02:28 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:02:28 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <1dfda01ca9469$5bde6960$056a010a@mail2world.com> References: <1dfda01ca9469$5bde6960$056a010a@mail2world.com> Message-ID: Yep, I didn't bother to zoom. Just saw they were labeled wrong. Need more coffee. From: Chris King Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:59 AM To: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops If you zoom in on the poc, you can see the front end. Looks like a Sprite mkII/midget mk1. The 4th pic is a Midget 1500. Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: Larry Daniels [ladaniels at sbcglobal.net] Sent: 1/13/2010 10:53:04 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops Obviously, the 4th and 5th pics are mislabeled. Doesn't the 5th (OEW) look like a BE? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Foster" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM To: "Spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Does anybody have a link to a picture of a Smooth Line hardtop on a >>> Bugeye? > >> http://smoothline.com/photo_austin_healey.php > > I must be blind, as I could not find the requested Bugeye photo there. Me neither. Mostly just a bunch of big Healey's (according to the picture labels anyway!) _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets . From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 10:24:23 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:24:23 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001130924x7f8afbc2ocb6f59920aa1b9ad@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: > Obviously, the 4th and 5th pics are mislabeled. Doesn't the 5th (OEW) look > like a BE? > > Don't think so. Look at the rear wheel arch. Hal From eap2140 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 10:26:44 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Nicest 1500 I've seen! Message-ID: <139949.55479.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dunno what show this was at, but the 1500 in the pics is outstanding..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/apjones/475490507/in/photostream/ I doubt the thing ever sees pavement. Kind of sad. Kind of like "Free Range" vs. "cooped up" From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 13 10:55:09 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:55:09 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Choices - heads, cranks, and blocks Message-ID: <2a520.7a0525a.387f62fd@aol.com> Turn them back upside and remove the sump. If the 12CJ block is solid under the centre main it's arguably the strongest 1275 Spridget block. The 12CD will have a casting window under the centre main that you might want to tidy up and crack test. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 12/01/2010 23:41:17 GMT Standard Time, mdrowe at optonline.net writes: >You've posted casting numbers for the blocks - do they have engine numbers on them? They were sitting upside down and I didn't notice the plate. One is 12CD/DA/H 25363 ('68 MK3 MG). The other is 12CJ/DA/H 36677 ('70-'71 MK 4 MG). Michael Rowe From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 13 10:56:18 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:56:18 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-anti-lock brakes Message-ID: <2a5bd.759bc64a.387f6342@aol.com> That's a good answer. In a message dated 12/01/2010 23:57:27 GMT Standard Time, grday at btinternet.com writes: Ferguson used the Dunlop Maxaret system. I used to own one of the Ford Zephyr MkIVs they modified. They originally did 28 for the Home Office for trials which resulted in Police Forces having to buy a certain percentage of 4 WD vehicles. The resultant motor was interesting and they did another 8 after the first batch. I sold mine for a pittance to the then Treasurer of the Ford Zephyr Owners Club in the Midlands. Ferguson used Zodiacs but they were badged as a Zephyr. This vehicle model was the first 'computer designed car' for Ford (over here) and Ford sent a service leaflet to their garages listing a total of 128 modifications around 6 months after being on the road. They were a real pig to drive quickly but the Ferguson modifications made it into a wholly different car. I've still got the service manual / booklet listing the Ferguson modifications that were done to the vehicle and they even moved the engine and transmission sideways 1.5inches to obtain a better balance. The Ferguson 4WD system was the fore runner of most modern day non mechanical 4WD systems, using a silicon fluid between rotors. All of Audis early 4WD was based on Ferguson work. Guy R Day From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 13 11:00:40 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:00:40 EST Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: <2a80c.4ed0829f.387f6448@aol.com> They are paid to make cheap crap. Their cheap crap is less crap than it used to be. They can make good stuff.... BUT there best stuff isn't the best by a long way, yet. In a message dated 13/01/2010 15:21:13 GMT Standard Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: The problem is China CAN make quality stuff. People blame China for the crappy stuff. Really, China makes whatever is ordered by whomever. From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 13 10:59:15 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:59:15 EST Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: <2a74b.5bd44b22.387f63f3@aol.com> Have you asked if they can service your made in the USA saw? In a message dated 13/01/2010 13:21:11 GMT Standard Time, abcoz at hky.com writes: My tool guy tells me that a local, Pittsburgh area manufacturer, which used to produce all of CP's & I-R's parts, has now began producing and selling those same tools under their own name, since the patents have been allowed to expire. From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 13 11:29:26 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:29:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <2a74b.5bd44b22.387f63f3@aol.com> References: <2a74b.5bd44b22.387f63f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <98F121FF27B343CB9DEFF039E1B3F769@OwnerPC> The one I'm replacing was not of US manufacture. It, too, was produced "off shore". It will be sent out for a rebuild (there really isn't much to these air saber saws), and kept as a spare. When it was new, I had it in for warranty service a couple of times. The second time, they bored the cylinder slightly larger, which at least kept it from temporarily seizing, which it frequently did. Experimenting with lubrication feed volume & different lube oils had no effect. It sure has earned it's nick name (stall saw). Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com To: abcoz at hky.com ; spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Have you asked if they can service your made in the USA saw? In a message dated 13/01/2010 13:21:11 GMT Standard Time, abcoz at hky.com writes: My tool guy tells me that a local, Pittsburgh area manufacturer, which used to produce all of CP's & I-R's parts, has now began producing and selling those same tools under their own name, since the patents have been allowed to expire. From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 13 11:31:51 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <003a01ca9475$03e36880$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <00ae01ca945e$6736c600$35a45200$@net> <003a01ca9475$03e36880$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <2B7DA8FE0EE74ACCAD10E408E3A4053A@OwnerPC> No significant pawn shops in the area where I live, so, I have no experience there. Sounds plausible, however. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Asgeirsson" To: "Heard" ; "'Bud Osbourne'" ; "'Spridget Chat Group'" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today > Another place I've used for some really neat tools, is to buy from a > pawn/hawk shop. You might even see some of your favorite missing ones, > too! > > There are so many quality heavy duty ones there, old American made too, > you > might wonder how some construction jobs ever got completed! > > Later, Paul A From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 13 11:34:53 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:34:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <2a80c.4ed0829f.387f6448@aol.com> Message-ID: I think some of you still don't know the difference between China and Taiwan. Taiwan has made good stuff for a long time. BZ From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 13 11:39:44 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not meaning to make any political statements, here, but my anger is more against the stupidity of the American consumer, the greed & stupidity of "big labor", the greed & lack of foresight of American business management, and the parasitic nature of big government. All these have combined to bring down more than one major manufacturing economy besides ours. If it wasn't the Chinese benefitting from our short-sightedness (I'm being polite, here), it would have been someone else. I don't have an ax to grind with the Chinese. But, having grown up and come of age in a region made great by it's manufacturing & engineering achievements, I can see very clearly just how far we've fallen and it hurts........it HURTS. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "derf" To: "Bud Osbourne" Cc: "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today > The problem is China CAN make quality stuff. People blame China for > the crappy stuff. Really, China makes whatever is ordered by > whomever. > Factories in China can make a thing as good as any made elsewhere. > But, someone has to order it and import it here. > I have a friend that imports small machine tools. I own on of his > 9X30 lathes. It is a very good unit for the $1200 I paid. He is the > importer and everything he sells is very good or better quality wise. > www.lathemaster.com is his website. From kgb at frontiernet.net Wed Jan 13 11:41:09 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:41:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] BMITH In-Reply-To: References: <579376.74439.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, , <4B32CA8A.3020502@justbrits.com> <4B32DDDB.9000601@justbrits.com>, , <4B33CE4E.1050807@justbrits.com>, , <4B33DF5C.5000807@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <4B4E13C5.1090903@frontiernet.net> But it's so MUCH more fun to surprise them. Kate > > >> << I haven't put any rounds through my S&W 4516 >> (Officer's Model .45 ACP) since I retired but I still have >> a box of Hydra-Shoks and a box of Black Talons for it! >> >> >> You should 'publish' in local 'rag' so the local idiots KNOW >> what house NOT to even THINK about paying an illegal >> 'visit' to !!!! >> >> Me >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Jan 13 11:41:09 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:41:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001130924x7f8afbc2ocb6f59920aa1b9ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <483390.42123.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001130739g4f5c6e4elf4c941cc5c9e131a@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c1001130742g649ff890t96360a4d5286f550@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001130924x7f8afbc2ocb6f59920aa1b9ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you read the installation instructions? You have to drill holes in the top bow bracket and windshield post flanges on a Bugeye and early square body Spridget. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Hal Faulkner wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Larry Daniels >wrote: > > > Obviously, the 4th and 5th pics are mislabeled. Doesn't the 5th (OEW) > look > > like a BE? > > > > > Don't think so. Look at the rear wheel arch. > Hal > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From abcoz at hky.com Wed Jan 13 11:42:18 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:42:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <397CF84A1CD44D02932DE90C67A3B1F9@OwnerPC> True, Billy. But, my "stall saw" was produced 20 years ago. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today >I think some of you still don't know the difference between China and > Taiwan. Taiwan has made good stuff for a long time. > BZ From healeyrick at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 11:50:39 2010 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:50:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck Message-ID: <623349.34746.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Think I just found my retirement job: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=170425968226&Category=43123 Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo From sales at justbrits.com Wed Jan 13 12:05:13 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:05:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> Message-ID: <4B4E1969.5060305@justbrits.com> << There are those who just live. >> Too bad the "heard: was not thinned by 2, Guy !! Geesh !! From sales at justbrits.com Wed Jan 13 12:22:24 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:22:24 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Nicest 1500 I've seen! In-Reply-To: <139949.55479.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <139949.55479.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4E1D70.6000305@justbrits.com> << Dunno what show this was at, but the 1500 in the pics is outstanding.....>> Ex-Lister Alan P. Jones of UK car, folks !! From sales at justbrits.com Wed Jan 13 12:23:43 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:23:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <4B4E1969.5060305@justbrits.com> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> <4B4E1969.5060305@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <4B4E1DBF.4010304@justbrits.com> Need to proof read my own stuff !! << Too bad the "heard: was not thinned by 2, Guy !! >> S/B "herd" !!! From froggi60 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 12:57:58 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:57:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] For the guy that has (almost) everything. Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001131157j25073725v2a77cc567f8869d1@mail.gmail.com> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/cea8/?cpg=123P -- Here is an Important Message for anyone who receives this email: If you forward this correspondence, PLEASE DELETE THE FORWARDING HISTORY, which includes my email address! It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world! Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and viruses from being propagated! IT ALSO PROTECTS YOU. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 13 13:12:32 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:12:32 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Nicest 1500 I've seen! In-Reply-To: <4B4E1D70.6000305@justbrits.com> References: <139949.55479.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4B4E1D70.6000305@justbrits.com> Message-ID: Not his car though, is it? He has a Frogeye, doesn't he? I think he goes to a lot of car shows. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen ) > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:22:24 -0600 > From: sales at justbrits.com > > << Dunno what show this was at, but the 1500 in the pics is > outstanding.....>> > > Ex-Lister Alan P. Jones of UK car, folks !! From eap2140 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 13:20:47 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:20:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <843871.44331.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like the winner is Leyland White. Manufactured 12/77 GAN6UJ203455 G. I'll see if I can find a local shop to match it and load up some rattle cans. Thanks, guys. ________________________________ From: Richard Ball To: Edward Perez ; spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:49:11 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help According to the website, for 1500's: Glacier White (BLVC59) Until Aug '77 Leyland White (BLVC206) Aug '77 to June '78 [3] Porcelain White (BLVC243) June '78 on 3. Porcelain White was also known as Ermine White or Leyland White. So, yours is most likely Leyland White (BLVC206), but could be Glacier White (BLVC59) if it was produced prior to August '78. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, Wa ----- Original Message ----- >From: Edward Perez >To: Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net ; hmortada at aol.com >Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 > AM >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help > > >How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > White?" Is there a specific number in the VIN? Mine is a 78 > manufactured in 77. > > > > ________________________________ From: Richard Ball >To: spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com >Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 9:08:27 > AM >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] > Help > >Here is another Spridget paint code sorce. >http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html > >Rich > Ball >'76 Midget >Everett, WA > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: >To: >Sent: > Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM >Subject: [Spridgets] Help > > >> > Hey List, I am getting ready to have my 79 Midget repainted, its > original >> colour is Carmine Red, at least that what I was able to find > about this >> colour. Anyone would be able to know where I can get a > colour number or >> code >> for this, or just pick any colour and > go with it and hope it is close to >> the >> original! >> > Thanks for all of your help! >> Hadi, in Ottawa, > Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ********************* >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu >> >> > http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > >_______________________________________________ >Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > >You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 13 13:42:49 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:42:49 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <843871.44331.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > the winner is Leyland White I went to school with him, but I haven't seen him since 8th grade. Tell him I said hi. From eap2140 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 13:42:11 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:42:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31811.16480.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hear he's gray now... well primered. ________________________________ From: Billy Zoom To: Edward Perez ; Richard Ball ; spridgets at autox.team.net; hmortada at aol.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:42:49 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help > the winner is Leyland White I went to school with him, but I haven't seen him since 8th grade. Tell him I said hi. From wmgilroy at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 14:31:43 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:31:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: References: <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441250191001131331u52c1af82y6af777dbb1fb1397@mail.gmail.com> Sure, the paint would say, "White, got that" to his helper. Or in Blandings case, "Yellow and Blue." -g On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Billy Zoom wrote: > Anyone remember the scene where Myrna Loy gives instructions to the painter > in Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House? > > > How can I tell if I have "Glacier White, " "Leyland White," or "Porcelain > > White?" > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 13 14:57:12 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:57:12 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck Message-ID: <25a2.14a8ae2.387f9bb8@aol.com> They also had them like that only selling burgers. In a message dated 13/01/2010 18:51:37 GMT Standard Time, healeyrick at yahoo.com writes: Think I just found my retirement job: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=170425968226&Category=4 3123 Rick From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 13 15:57:59 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:57:59 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck In-Reply-To: <25a2.14a8ae2.387f9bb8@aol.com> Message-ID: > They also had them like that only selling burgers. > Real hamburgers? Or Wimpys? I didn't think you people knew what those were until McDonalds came along in the Eighties. I remember the Hard Rock having buns flown over from Canada. BZ From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 16:05:40 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:05:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC content - 40 Y.O. Huffy Bike Message-ID: Some of you may know that I fool around buying, fixing and reselling bikes. Puts a bit of change in my pocket from time to time. Monday I picked up a 1969 Huffy 5 speed muscle bike. This is the kind that has the 5 speed gearshift on the top bar. If anyone has any interest in seeing a photo of it, hit me off list, and I'll dust those cobwebs loose, and help you remember your bike, or your friends bike, from those yonder days of yore. If anyone out there has one of the aluminium brake levers that clamped on to the handlebars, I am in need of one for this bike. I have those that slide over the bar, if the grip is removed, but let me tell you, these grips aint comin' off, that I can see. If you are not sure what I am in need of, I can send a photo of that too!! Thanks, return to your on topic banter, and thank you for reading Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From sales at justbrits.com Wed Jan 13 16:09:08 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:09:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <843871.44331.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <843871.44331.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4E5294.7010106@justbrits.com> << Looks like the winner is Leyland White. Manufactured 12/77 GAN6UJ203455 G. I'll see if I can find a local shop to match it and load up some rattle cans. >> Ed, I would NOT 'trust' either you eyes or current paint vs chips. FAR to many variables !!! As I said in a PM about a week ago, take the car to a body shop and have them scan the current paint. They will either give you a number or make you up a pint [case of brews here is money well spent ]. What YOU perceive to be Leyland White vs even just a rattle can can easily be five different things [shades]. "IF" paint is original it is 32+ YEAR OLD !! NOT org. now !!!! Ed From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Jan 13 16:45:04 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:45:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> Bud Osbourne wrote: > Not meaning to make any political statements, here, But I WILL. I hate em and EVERYTHING they make. If they got nuked, SWELL! I received a new alarm clock for Christmas to replace my dead (made in Japan) alarm clock with the flip numbers. Christmas was less than 3 weeks ago and I noticed my alarm didn't go off yesterday. I checked the buttons, all was correct and today it did not work again. So I reset it and it does in fact work, it made an ever so faint beep and stopped. Yes it was made by "THEM" it was sold by K-Ma-Part and it's going back. It's not the refund on a $20 clock. I want the MFCS that made it so I can shove it down his throat. No I don't want to make any political statements either but if china fell off the face of the earth, I would be a happy camper. There are not alarm clocks made in the USA. There are no kitchen appliances made here, we don't make any tools anymore, Nails, screws, valves, pipe, wire, cars, all we make are burgers from cows raised in china. I will not get off my soap box until the people of this country wake up. -- Frank Clarici I HATE China From eap2140 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 16:49:18 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:49:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More Help In-Reply-To: <4B4E5294.7010106@justbrits.com> References: <8CC5EA5D7DA1ED7-4058-5937@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com> <1C9BAF918436482488001257EA3B3D83@psych.washington.edu> <617796.91668.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <843871.44331.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B4E5294.7010106@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <50500.99542.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good point, Ed. I'll do both. I'll try the rattle can in an obscure area like the trunk to see how it looks. I have a friend who owns an auto body shop that can match the paint for me. Thanks for the input, Ed. Much appreciated. ________________________________ From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 3:09:08 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More Help << Looks like the winner is Leyland White. Manufactured 12/77 GAN6UJ203455 G. I'll see if I can find a local shop to match it and load up some rattle cans. >> Ed, I would NOT 'trust' either you eyes or current paint vs chips. FAR to many variables !!! As I said in a PM about a week ago, take the car to a body shop and have them scan the current paint. They will either give you a number or make you up a pint [case of brews here is money well spent ]. What YOU perceive to be Leyland White vs even just a rattle can can easily be five different things [shades]. "IF" paint is original it is 32+ YEAR OLD !! NOT org. now !!!! Ed Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grday at btinternet.com Wed Jan 13 16:49:46 2010 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:49:46 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck References: Message-ID: <734B49A6CD4E4204A0BCD4E99988F330@user8634b3d69b> Hey BZ... Where was the first Hard Rock opened? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck >> They also had them like that only selling burgers. >> > Real hamburgers? Or Wimpys? I didn't think you people knew what those were > until McDonalds came along in the Eighties. I remember the Hard Rock > having > buns flown over from Canada. > BZ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 13 16:50:04 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:50:04 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> Message-ID: > it made an ever so faint beep Maybe you just can't hear that frequency anymore. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 13 16:54:53 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:54:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck In-Reply-To: <734B49A6CD4E4204A0BCD4E99988F330@user8634b3d69b> Message-ID: > Where was the first Hard Rock opened? Actually, the was a dumpy bar in the wino district of downtown L.A. years before the London Hard Rock opened. It may still be there. I believe Stockholm was the next one. BTW, they're not part of the same chain as the US Hard Rocks. Also, it occurred to me that Dingwalls used to offer a cheeseburger before McDonalds made their move to the UK. BZ From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Jan 13 17:13:31 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:13:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <866800.46151.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Seems to me I remember eating Wimpies in Leicester Sq., London back in the '60's... But, as my daughter says, I have "old-timers" disease.. Dave G. From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Jan 13 17:15:23 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:15:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> Message-ID: <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> Guy R Day wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8454242.stm > There are those who live and learn > There are those who just live. I had a Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. Nothing like racing an ice boat :) One more week of cold and I might be driving a Sprite out on the bay again, it is frozen. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 17:16:31 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:16:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001131616j72279867x453a769b5a17bb2d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > Maybe you just can't hear that frequency anymore. > Eh?? I have a bunch of Chinese made broken shit down in the garage. I was planning on sending it to Frank. But then I thought about his blood pressure and his age. He's just turned 55 and is bound to be a bit grouchy most of the time these days. Wait until he finds out that all the doctors are now Chinese..... -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From kentmclean at comcast.net Wed Jan 13 17:21:23 2010 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:21:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4E6383.60600@comcast.net> Billy Zoom wrote: > > it made an ever so faint beep > Maybe you just can't hear that frequency anymore. Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark. -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From corvallis at peoplepc.com Wed Jan 13 17:30:21 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:30:21 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net><7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> Message-ID: Take your cell phone so we can listen to you going down. ...bill in oregon -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:15 PM To: Guy R Day Cc: spridget Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related Guy R Day wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8454242.stm > There are those who live and learn > There are those who just live. I had a Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. Nothing like racing an ice boat :) One more week of cold and I might be driving a Sprite out on the bay again, it is frozen. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Jan 13 17:53:45 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:53:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> Message-ID: Frustrating. I contacted SmoothLine and they don't have a photo either. And, no. I was unaware you had to drill hole in the windshield posts to install the SmoothLine. Scratch that idea... Much like I can scratch the idea of the reproductions from Frogeye Spares, as they will not ship them to the U.S. Kicking myself for not buying that original top at the Carlisle fleamarket during Sprite Jubilee. I'm sure one day Moss will start selling reproduction hardtops. Of course they will probably want something like $5k for them. From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Wed Jan 13 18:02:18 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1478089571.12210361263430938103.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> This time watch out for buoy's!!!! My favorite story of all time. : -o Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Guy R Day" Cc: "spridget" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:15:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related Guy R Day wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8454242.stm > There are those who live and learn > There are those who just live. I had a Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. Nothing like racing an ice boat :) One more week of cold and I might be driving a Sprite out on the bay again, it is frozen. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Wed Jan 13 18:22:17 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:22:17 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <4B4E6FB0.8080300@frontiernet.net> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net><7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> <4B4E6FB0.8080300@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <79E6DD9C10C04DABB763EFFB9D71E274@spider> Mt. Hood, Oregon ...with a car??!! ...bill in oregon ============================================= -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Bales [mailto:kgb at frontiernet.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:13 PM To: corvallis at peoplepc.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related Hey! We used to go ice racing at Lost Lake up near Mt. Hood back when I was young & dumb. It was all kinds of fun. Kate ======================================== corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote: > Take your cell phone so we can listen to you going down. ...bill in oregon From wmgilroy at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 18:39:30 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:39:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <1478089571.12210361263430938103.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> <1478089571.12210361263430938103.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <441250191001131739l644bf943q5694c05326f115@mail.gmail.com> Buoys are big enough to see. These like channel markercome out of no where! -g On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM, wrote: > This time watch out for buoy's!!!! > > My favorite story of all time. : -o > Ryan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "Guy R Day" > Cc: "spridget" > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:15:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related > > Guy R Day wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8454242.stm > > There are those who live and learn > > There are those who just live. > I had a Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. > Nothing like racing an ice boat :) > One more week of cold and I might be driving a Sprite out on the bay > again, it is frozen. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Jan 13 19:54:41 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:54:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> Message-ID: <4B4E8771.50802@comcast.net> Dean Hedin wrote: > > > Kicking myself for not buying that original top at the Carlisle > fleamarket during Sprite Jubilee. > The one I was selling? Donald Healey original. Moses bought it and we know he will never use it. Ask him for it. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 19:58:48 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:58:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Now Hard Rock trivia Mini Ice CreamTruck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <559371.22133.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, but who was the player of the first (only?) guitar stolen from a Hard Rock? --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Billy Zoom wrote: > > Where was the first Hard Rock > opened? > Actually, the was a dumpy bar in the wino district of > downtown L.A. years > before the London Hard Rock opened. From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Wed Jan 13 20:03:54 2010 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:03:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: When China gets too expensive, you'll be getting the same cheap crap from Vietnam, Malaysia, or India.... Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> >From: Frank >Sent: 1/13/2010 6:45:04 PM >Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today > >Bud Osbourne wrote: >> Not meaning to make any political statements, here, >But I WILL. I hate em and EVERYTHING they make. >If they got nuked, SWELL! >I received a new alarm clock for Christmas to replace my dead (made in >Japan) alarm clock with the flip numbers. >Christmas was less than 3 weeks ago and I noticed my alarm didn't go off >yesterday. >I checked the buttons, all was correct and today it did not work again. >So I reset it and it does in fact work, it made an ever so faint beep >and stopped. >Yes it was made by "THEM" it was sold by K-Ma-Part and it's going back. >It's not the refund on a $20 clock. I want the MFCS that made it so I >can shove it down his throat. >No I don't want to make any political statements either but if china >fell off the face of the earth, I would be a happy camper. >There are not alarm clocks made in the USA. There are no kitchen >appliances made here, we don't make any tools anymore, >Nails, screws, valves, pipe, wire, cars, all we make are burgers from >cows raised in china. >I will not get off my soap box until the people of this country wake up. > > >-- >Frank Clarici >I HATE China > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 13 20:03:41 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:03:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net><7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6C52FF8BAD2141E5BB8AB61091576399@HomePC> -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank" I had a Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. Nothing like racing an ice boat :) One more week of cold and I might be driving a Sprite out on the bay again, it is frozen. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites ================ I live in a city on a lake that is 12 miles across and 30 miles long. Being in Wisconsin, it freezes every year. Yet foolish people don't understand that you can't drive near river inlets or outlets. A few years ago the husband and son of a girl who I dated years earlier were recovered when their snowmobile went under the ice near a river outlet to the lake. Every year we need to send divers in to recover the bodies of idiots that don't understand this. The local newspaper this morning announced that they found the second of two snowmobilers who went out last weekend and travelled near the river's inlet. If you are going to do this, grow a brain first. You can die doing this. I'm just saying. LAD From corvallis at peoplepc.com Wed Jan 13 20:09:22 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:09:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Now Hard Rock trivia Mini Ice CreamTruck In-Reply-To: <559371.22133.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <559371.22133.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Slash Returns Stolen Guitar to Hard Rock Cafe with Much Pomp and Circumstance ===================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:59 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Now Hard Rock trivia Mini Ice CreamTruck Yes, but who was the player of the first (only?) guitar stolen from a Hard Rock? From lbc at littlebitcountry.com Wed Jan 13 20:08:33 2010 From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:08:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Now Hard Rock trivia Mini Ice CreamTruck In-Reply-To: <559371.22133.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <559371.22133.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201001140309.o0E38xFe016210@mail.usimperio.com> Officials at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas got quite the surprise during a recent ceremony honoring Velvet Revolver (and former Guns N Roses) guitarist Slash. At the event on July 14, Slash presented the Hard Rock with a guitar he had taken from its Florida cafe years ago explaining, I stole that from the Hard Rock in Orlando. It was in the dressing room. I didnt know what it was doing there, so I took it. . . So Ive had it all these years and been playing it. What prompted him to finally fess up? I thought what better way to honor the Hard Rock for honoring me than to give it back, sort of, Slash said. Coming clean didnt affect why he was being honored in the first place  the permanent memorabilia case of all things Slash still stands at the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas. At 09:58 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: >Yes, but who was the player of the first (only?) >guitar stolen from a Hard Rock? From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 21:31:13 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:31:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Now Hard Rock trivia Mini Ice CreamTruck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <218529.94978.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nope, that would be another one (I learned something!). This one was property of Las Vegas Hard Rock, en route during relocation to another in CA, I believe. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote: > From: corvallis at peoplepc.com > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Now Hard Rock trivia Mini Ice CreamTruck > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:09 PM > Slash Returns Stolen Guitar to Hard > Rock Cafe with Much Pomp and > Circumstance > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Soave > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:59 PM > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Now Hard Rock trivia Mini Ice > CreamTruck > > Yes, but who was the player of the first (only?) guitar > stolen from a Hard > Rock? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 22:32:42 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:32:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [9issa] Fwd: Combine wreck. John Deere 1 Chevy 0 In-Reply-To: <49697CAA48E145A69151F999275537F6@jdnet.deere.com> References: <181667.13863.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <202988.94015.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8de85a9c1001131503n4fd5b5f1n8d61548fbd673de0@mail.gmail.com> <49697CAA48E145A69151F999275537F6@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001132132o1e1cf61fu517db7340b971951@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Randall wrote: > BTW, that combine weighs somewhere around 25,000 pounds. More like 30,000+ pounds!!! http://manuals.deere.com/omview/OMH205908_19/OUO6075_00021A3_19_18JUN02_1.htm I don't know what kind of road speed they can reach but with that kind of weight there's an awful lot of momentum. From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 22:47:05 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:47:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [9issa] Fwd: Combine wreck. John Deere 1 Chevy 0 In-Reply-To: <4B4E7727.9070109@justbrits.com> References: <181667.13863.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <202988.94015.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8de85a9c1001131503n4fd5b5f1n8d61548fbd673de0@mail.gmail.com> <4B4E7727.9070109@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001132147i43305582o6da59b248631cc08@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Shop at " Just Brits " wrote: > Was it down by you, Jeff ?? > No. Since a buddy across the river in Missouri sent it to me I was wondering the same but the officer's uniform hinted at Canada (I couldn't read the license plates). A quick Google search turned up that it happened near Waterford, Ontario. http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1699287 > Boy is the John Deere Dealership Service & Parts > Depts. gonna LOVE dat one !! Actually, no. It supposedly was scrapped due to a twisted frame! http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=126925&mid=897709 Can't tell what the trailer was hauling, but I did notice that the safety chains for the trailer were still intact! One more picture for fun: http://i36.tinypic.com/5cbl88.jpg From grday at btinternet.com Thu Jan 14 01:42:11 2010 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:42:11 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> Message-ID: In the spirit this list's style of humour, may I ask that you don't take a Spridget, they are disappearing too quickly.... Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Guy R Day" Cc: "spridget" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related > Guy R Day wrote: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8454242.stm >> There are those who live and learn >> There are those who just live. > I had a Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. > Nothing like racing an ice boat :) > One more week of cold and I might be driving a Sprite out on the bay > again, it is frozen. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 05:29:12 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b> <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B4F0E18.1040207@comcast.net> Guy R Day wrote: > In the spirit this list's style of humour, may I ask that you don't > take a Spridget, they are disappearing too quickly.... > >> Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. But I have lots of them ;) Besides, I know where the stress cracks are, they are in the same place every year. And I keep my antennae up so they can find the car just in case. Get up to 90 mph turn the wheel and pull the E brake, what a blast! -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 05:38:15 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:38:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again Message-ID: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> My order from Mini Spares arrived yesterday with my new Maniflow Header. Record time from the UK I think. 3 days. I want to thank Hal for mentioning Mini Spares as he saved me $200 on the header over any reseller on this side of the pond. And shipping for the header and some other parts was around $30. US dollars, not pounds sterling. Now to send it off for a ceramic coating. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From abcoz at hky.com Thu Jan 14 06:01:03 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:01:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm not harboring any hatred for the Chinese that produce this crap, but I am harboring a lot of anger and resentment toward the people (a.k.a. the ignorant masses that make up the American electorate and "the consumers" as well as Big Labor & Big Business) and government agencies that have combined their ignorance, stupidity and greed to make this country China's retail outlet. And I'm 100% with you on the idea of raising hell until the people of this country wake up to what's being done to them. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Bud Osbourne" Cc: "derf" ; "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today > Bud Osbourne wrote: >> Not meaning to make any political statements, here, > But I WILL. I hate em and EVERYTHING they make. > If they got nuked, SWELL! > I received a new alarm clock for Christmas to replace my dead (made in > Japan) alarm clock with the flip numbers. > Christmas was less than 3 weeks ago and I noticed my alarm didn't go off > yesterday. > I checked the buttons, all was correct and today it did not work again. > So I reset it and it does in fact work, it made an ever so faint beep and > stopped. > Yes it was made by "THEM" it was sold by K-Ma-Part and it's going back. > It's not the refund on a $20 clock. I want the MFCS that made it so I can > shove it down his throat. > No I don't want to make any political statements either but if china fell > off the face of the earth, I would be a happy camper. > There are not alarm clocks made in the USA. There are no kitchen > appliances made here, we don't make any tools anymore, > Nails, screws, valves, pipe, wire, cars, all we make are burgers from cows > raised in china. > I will not get off my soap box until the people of this country wake up. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > I HATE China From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 06:26:54 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:26:54 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <4B4F0E18.1040207@comcast.net> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net>, <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b>, <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net>, , <4B4F0E18.1040207@comcast.net> Message-ID: Video Frank, we need video!!! :) Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen ) > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:29:12 -0500 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: grday at btinternet.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related > > Guy R Day wrote: > > In the spirit this list's style of humour, may I ask that you don't > > take a Spridget, they are disappearing too quickly.... > > > >> Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. > But I have lots of them ;) Besides, I know where the stress cracks > are, they are in the same place every year. > And I keep my antennae up so they can find the car just in case. > Get up to 90 mph turn the wheel and pull the E brake, what a blast! > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From cbaustin at verizon.net Thu Jan 14 06:40:06 2010 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:40:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice Message-ID: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> Actually, this maneuver, ice sliding, might be best performed with Fr. Jack and the "Holy Sprite"! That way, if the ice does part, there's a much better chance of the car 'walking on water'!! Later, C B From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 06:53:42 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:53:42 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - UK weather related In-Reply-To: <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net>, <7FF1DFF41A4A44BC81909BB10FCCC8F4@user8634b3d69b>, <4B4E621B.8030105@comcast.net> Message-ID: http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/ID=1236808309 Don't confuse this comedian with a car-guy. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:15:23 -0500 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: grday at btinternet.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Guy R Day wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8454242.stm > > There are those who live and learn > > There are those who just live. > I had a Sprite out on the frozen bay more than once. > Nothing like racing an ice boat :) > One more week of cold and I might be driving a Sprite out on the bay > again, it is frozen. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 07:44:10 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:44:10 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > When China gets too expensive I doubt that that will be in our lifetime. There's an awful lot of people there that must be willing to life a shorter life to make a living. Robert > From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu > > When China gets too expensive, you'll be getting the same cheap crap > from Vietnam, Malaysia, or India.... > > Chris King > http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Thu Jan 14 07:47:41 2010 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:47:41 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: <1864301ca9528$864bde70$056a010a@mail2world.com> I rather doubt "the consumers" will wake up any time soon. What the majority want is low prices, wheter it's retail goods, the homes they buy, or whatever. My brother worked for Pulty Homes (sp?) for a year or two, and you wouldn't believe what cheap crap a half-million dollar plus home is made out of. But most buyers are ignorant and have no interest in finding out. It's shiny and new and they want it. As long as that is true, companies will exploit it. -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: Bud Osbourne [abcoz at hky.com] Sent: 1/14/2010 8:01:03 AM To: spritenut at comcast.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today I'm not harboring any hatred for the Chinese that produce this crap, but I am harboring a lot of anger and resentment toward the people (a.k.a. the ignorant masses that make up the American electorate and "the consumers" as well as Big Labor & Big Business) and government agencies that have combined their ignorance, stupidity and greed to make this country China's retail outlet. And I'm 100% with you on the idea of raising hell until the people of this country wake up to what's being done to them. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Bud Osbourne" Cc: "derf" ; "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today > Bud Osbourne wrote: >> Not meaning to make any political statements, here, > But I WILL. I hate em and EVERYTHING they make. > If they got nuked, SWELL! > I received a new alarm clock for Christmas to replace my dead (made in > Japan) alarm clock with the flip numbers. > Christmas was less than 3 weeks ago and I noticed my alarm didn't go off > yesterday. > I checked the buttons, all was correct and today it did not work again. > So I reset it and it does in fact work, it made an ever so faint beep and > stopped. > Yes it was made by "THEM" it was sold by K-Ma-Part and it's going back. > It's not the refund on a $20 clock. I want the MFCS that made it so I can > shove it down his throat. > No I don't want to make any political statements either but if china fell > off the face of the earth, I would be a happy camper. > There are not alarm clocks made in the USA. There are no kitchen > appliances made here, we don't make any tools anymore, > Nails, screws, valves, pipe, wire, cars, all we make are burgers from cows > raised in china. > I will not get off my soap box until the people of this country wake up. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > I HATE China _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets . From davriker at nwi.net Thu Jan 14 07:57:30 2010 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:57:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com><4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7B17BC4A66F3429596DE4336B1E08C0B@MAIN> Actually, I'm kind of glad that all of the nasty chemicals from producing electronic components, plastics, chrome plating etc. have been offshored. Keeps that crap out of our water and air. I have a Chinese Scooter I paid $980 for including shipping brand new. Most of the inexpensive Chinese items I have, I would not otherwise have been able to buy had it not been for the low price. So there was no job lost if I wouldn't have bought the scooter at $3000. But at $980, I've put a poor chinese farm laborer to work. I have two impact guns, two brad nailers, a miter saw, all chinese, all no problems. None of those tools would I have bought, given the limited amount of use they see if I had only had higher priced tools available. PS consider reconditioned. That way, someone else has found out the problem, returned it, and the company fixes it, then sells it with a discount. Try CPOoutlets.com online. David Riker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Osbourne" To: "Frank" Cc: "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 08:02:22 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:02:22 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: , <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com>, , <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net>, Message-ID: "Being done"? You mean it's not done already? I think that the idea was to make the NA jobs into executive jobs and farm out the hazardous work to people who will bypass safety standards to produce a cheap product and not unionize. Sooner or later, the exec jobs will go too. But then ... who's going to buy the cheap stuff? :) Robert > From: abcoz at hky.com > > I'm not harboring any hatred for the Chinese that produce this crap, but I > am harboring a lot of anger and resentment toward the people (a.k.a. the > ignorant masses that make up the American electorate and "the consumers" as > well as Big Labor & Big Business) and government agencies that have combined > their ignorance, stupidity and greed to make this country China's retail > outlet. And I'm 100% with you on the idea of raising hell until the people > of this country wake up to what's being done to them. > Bud Osbourne From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 08:03:18 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:03:18 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice In-Reply-To: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> References: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> Message-ID: Don't bring Moses! Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > From: cbaustin at verizon.net > > Actually, this maneuver, ice sliding, might be best performed with Fr. > Jack and the "Holy Sprite"! > > That way, if the ice does part, there's a much better chance of the car > 'walking on water'!! > > Later, > > C > B From haynes386 at netzero.net Thu Jan 14 08:04:50 2010 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:04:50 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck Message-ID: <20100114.080450.27218.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> > Where was the first Hard Rock opened? The first Hard Rock Cafe still exists in Empire, CO. Opened in 1912 for the local Hard Rock Miners. Its still open every day along US40 to Berthoud Pass (or was that a rhetorical question referring only to the chain that has propagated around the world in only the most exclusive and costly locales)? 8-) Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=7YaE2WB1hNCM0FZnD2ik3gAAJz5X oFCg_GoYpsOBXA-_r2I8AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 08:16:28 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:16:28 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> Message-ID: <402188521001140716p6006f8bbmf48bcdd5757e12fa@mail.gmail.com> Just think, we have an easy way of knowing whether we are still sliding downhill... As long as Walmarts are still being built and not being re-purposed, people still don't "get it". Of course, as long as we keep buying Spridget parts on the basis of price rather than quality, we don't "get it" either. David L From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 08:22:39 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:22:39 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <7B17BC4A66F3429596DE4336B1E08C0B@MAIN> References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com><4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net>, , <7B17BC4A66F3429596DE4336B1E08C0B@MAIN> Message-ID: > Actually, I'm kind of glad that all of the nasty chemicals from producing > electronic components, plastics, chrome plating etc. have been offshored. > Keeps that crap out of our water and air. I'm thinking that the world is getting too small ( overpopulated ) to think like that anymore. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > From: davriker at nwi.net > > Actually, I'm kind of glad that all of the nasty chemicals from producing > electronic components, plastics, chrome plating etc. have been offshored. > Keeps that crap out of our water and air. > > I have a Chinese Scooter I paid $980 for including shipping brand new. Most > of the inexpensive Chinese items I have, I would not otherwise have been > able to buy had it not been for the low price. So there was no job lost if > I wouldn't have bought the scooter at $3000. But at $980, I've put a poor > chinese farm laborer to work. I have two impact guns, two brad nailers, a > miter saw, all chinese, all no problems. None of those tools would I have > bought, given the limited amount of use they see if I had only had higher > priced tools available. PS consider reconditioned. That way, someone else > has found out the problem, returned it, and the company fixes it, then sells > it with a discount. Try CPOoutlets.com online. > > David Riker From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 14 08:22:52 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:22:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <402188521001140716p6006f8bbmf48bcdd5757e12fa@mail.gmail.co m> References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> <402188521001140716p6006f8bbmf48bcdd5757e12fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001140722494.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> At 09:16 AM 1/14/2010, David Lieb wrote: >Just think, we have an easy way of knowing whether we are still >sliding downhill... >As long as Walmarts are still being built and not being re-purposed, >people still don't "get it". ======================== Exactly! I do not shop, EVER at Wall Mart, or Home Depot for sure, and try to avoid similar retailers. To add to the insult of their pricing and product and employee practices, they (always?) "require" TIF districts for their operations. Don't get me started........ Peter C From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 08:28:09 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:28:09 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <402188521001140716p6006f8bbmf48bcdd5757e12fa@mail.gmail.com> References: , <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com>, , <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net>, , , <402188521001140716p6006f8bbmf48bcdd5757e12fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah, well, the end of the world is coming in less than 2 years. ( Dec 21, 2012, according to the Mayan calendar? ) so ... why worry? :) Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:16:28 -0600 > > Just think, we have an easy way of knowing whether we are still > sliding downhill... > As long as Walmarts are still being built and not being re-purposed, > people still don't "get it". > Of course, as long as we keep buying Spridget parts on the basis of > price rather than quality, we don't "get it" either. > David L From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 08:31:13 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:31:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> <402188521001140716p6006f8bbmf48bcdd5757e12fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188521001140731j7343315dr993b71caf4847d09@mail.gmail.com> > Ah, well, the end of the world is coming in less than 2 years. ( Dec 21, 2012, > according to the Mayan calendar? ) so ... why worry? :) As Peter Egan pointed out, if the Mayans were that smart, they woulda made four calendars and put them on axles! David L From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 08:32:22 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:32:22 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: , , <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com>, , , , <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net>, , , , , , <402188521001140716p6006f8bbmf48bcdd5757e12fa@mail.gmail.com>, Message-ID: oops ... less than 3 years! :) Robert > From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca > > Ah, well, the end of the world is coming in less than 2 years. ( Dec 21, 2012, > according to the Mayan calendar? ) so ... why worry? :) > > > Robert Duquette > Ottawa ON Canada > > > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:16:28 -0600 > > > > Just think, we have an easy way of knowing whether we are still > > sliding downhill... > > As long as Walmarts are still being built and not being re-purposed, > > people still don't "get it". > > Of course, as long as we keep buying Spridget parts on the basis of > > price rather than quality, we don't "get it" either. > > David L From na7db at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 08:48:05 2010 From: na7db at yahoo.com (brown dan) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:48:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Google in China Message-ID: <995777.39270.qm@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Dan Brown wrote: From: Dan Brown Subject: Google in China To: "Spridgets" Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 7:40 AM B B Analysis Google's decision a rare show of defiance in China Google's decision to leave China is rare show of defiance in a market where the government punishes those who do not play by the rules; in industries from automaking to fast food, companies have been forced to allow communist authorities to influence -- and sometimes dictate -- their choice of local partners, where to operate, and what products to sell; many high-tech companies operating in China are forced to open their intellectual property and industrial secrets to their Chinese competitors b or to Chinese government officials, who deliver that property to Chinese companies b allowing these Chinese companies to reverse engineer and copy Western companies' products and solutions; Western companies have struggled to make headway against intense competition from Chinese rivals b rivals who enjoy the fact that the Chinese government writes rules which tilt the playing field in favor of Chinese companies B I think that the idea was to make the NA jobs into executive jobs and farm out the hazardous work to people who will bypass safety standards to produce a cheap product and not unionize.B Sooner or later, the exec jobs will go too. But then ... who's going to buy the cheap stuff?B :) Robert > I'm not harboring any hatred for the Chinese that produce this crap, but I > am harboring a lot of anger and resentment toward the people (a.k.a. the > ignorant masses that make up the American electorate and "the consumers" as > well as Big Labor & Big Business) and government agencies that have combined > their ignorance, stupidity and greed to make this country China's retail > outlet. And I'm 100% with you on the idea of raising hell until the people > of this country wake up to what's being done to them. > Bud Osbourne _______________________________________________ From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Jan 14 09:01:45 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:01:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> Message-ID: <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> > I want to thank Hal for mentioning Mini Spares as he saved me $200 on the > header over any reseller on this side of the pond. The Maniflow site cautions against Chinese imitations and shows pictures, I assume of the worst they could find. Any way to tell if it is really Maniflow? It may not matter if it fits and the materials are reasonable. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 09:03:49 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:03:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. Message-ID: <205cef431001140803h5889d327l517a18d6912825ec@mail.gmail.com> List, Cool car graveyard I think somewhere in Europe. Check it out. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=46061 Lin From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Jan 14 09:18:05 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:18:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <7B17BC4A66F3429596DE4336B1E08C0B@MAIN> References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> <7B17BC4A66F3429596DE4336B1E08C0B@MAIN> Message-ID: <02BE5F7EA8CB4C1B87A7520718C4DD0A@Home> >Most of the inexpensive Chinese items I have, I would not otherwise have >been > able to buy had it not been for the low price. It is easy to forget this! It is certainly more true of third world countries than here. We built our house on the cheap with cash in a time when interest rates were 18+%, moving in the day we got toilets (no showers) and adding more every time be accumulated another $500. Much of the finish work we did outselves. We have been paying for this ever since in repairs and replacements. But the fact is, had we not done it this way, we could not have afforded it at all for many years thereafter. And we ended up with a mortgage-free house, so the repair cost were minor compared to long-term interest costs. Michael Rowe From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 14 09:44:15 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:44:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <02BE5F7EA8CB4C1B87A7520718C4DD0A@Home> References: <5f00d9911001130716p3b99f425sdac830d70aa637f@mail.gmail.com> <4B4E5B00.6050804@comcast.net> <7B17BC4A66F3429596DE4336B1E08C0B@MAIN> <02BE5F7EA8CB4C1B87A7520718C4DD0A@Home> Message-ID: <201001140844776.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> At 10:18 AM 1/14/2010, Michael Rowe wrote: >>Most of the inexpensive Chinese items I have, I would not otherwise have been >>able to buy had it not been for the low price. ---- The ever expanding industry of storage units bears this out well. Peter C From frog.aye at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 09:46:50 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:46:50 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> Message-ID: <4333f8141001140846w71f1b1dat80a29299d06048f5@mail.gmail.com> My header has a little plate welded to the center branch that has the Maniflow logo on it. I don't really question the integrity of Mini Spares. Hal On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > I want to thank Hal for mentioning Mini Spares as he saved me $200 on the >> header over any reseller on this side of the pond. >> > > The Maniflow site cautions against Chinese imitations and shows pictures, I > assume of the worst they could find. Any way to tell if it is really > Maniflow? It may not matter if it fits and the materials are reasonable. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Sprite kit > Long Island, NY > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From PAsgeirsson at att.net Thu Jan 14 10:03:08 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:03:08 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] [9issa] Fwd: Combine wreck. John Deere 1 Chevy 0 References: <181667.13863.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><202988.94015.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8de85a9c1001131503n4fd5b5f1n8d61548fbd673de0@mail.gmail.com><49697CAA48E145A69151F999275537F6@jdnet.deere.com> <8de85a9c1001132132o1e1cf61fu517db7340b971951@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006d01ca953b$73790300$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Yeh, they do pretty well in the Combine destruction derby's around here! Later, Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Foster" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [9issa] Fwd: Combine wreck. John Deere 1 Chevy 0 > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Randall wrote: > > BTW, that combine weighs somewhere around 25,000 pounds. > > More like 30,000+ pounds!!! > > http://manuals.deere.com/omview/OMH205908_19/OUO6075_00021A3_19_18JUN02_1.htm > > > I don't know what kind of road speed they can reach but with that kind > of weight there's an awful lot of momentum. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 10:15:42 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:15:42 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001140846w71f1b1dat80a29299d06048f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net>, <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home>, <4333f8141001140846w71f1b1dat80a29299d06048f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Any way to tell if it is really Maniflow? Buy direct? > > The Maniflow site cautions against Chinese imitations and shows pictures, I > > assume of the worst they could find. Any way to tell if it is really > > Maniflow? It may not matter if it fits and the materials are reasonable. > > > > Michael Rowe > > '74 Midget > > '60 Sprite kit > > Long Island, NY From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Jan 14 10:15:08 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> Message-ID: <32BA7DC9CF5742F9AA967BAA6092C2B1@Home> I tried to order one today and they are out of stock. Michael Rowe From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Thu Jan 14 10:47:30 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:47:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <7B17BC4A66F3429596DE4336B1E08C0B@MAIN> Message-ID: > Keeps that crap out of our water and air. Actually, Southern California has been getting Chinese and Indian smog for several years now. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Thu Jan 14 10:50:08 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > according to the Mayan calendar? If the Mayans were so smart, why didn't they know they'd be extinct by then, or if they did know, why did their calendar keep going? From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 11:04:16 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Keys In-Reply-To: <4B3BE570.4050008@justbrits.com> References: <647088.72826.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B3BE570.4050008@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <205cef431001141004w3b38e1aarb07104cb4952bb73@mail.gmail.com> ED & List, My apologies for not adopting Pinky the correct way .........LOL. I truly must get it ASAP but at $200. it has been on hold : ) Wow I had no idea there were not many Nevada Beige Bugeye's Built? Interesting color cool name : ) Does anyone own a NB BE? And do you have a Birth Certificate? Does it say how many were made in NB? Lin On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Sales at " Just Brits " < sales at justbrits.com> wrote: > << Hold-on......it gets even better >> > > Yep Jay, certainly do !! > > I have two [2] examples on my site in "List O' Links"; > 1] A Frogeye shipped with a black Hard Top that the > Owner had ZERO knowledge about. > 2] A Big Healey BJ-8 that my customer wanted to have > seats/etc. RE-done because his interior was different > than then BJ-8s he had seen !! Turned out car was > shipped with Leather Interior [Hide] and NOT the > 'normal' Ambula interior usually seen in the Model. > > A third Cert. showed [and was RE-checked] that a > Frogeye I was looking at [in re-sale red - but Owner > thought was OEW] IS a one of the VERY RARE > Nevada Beige !!!!! NOTE: I have only been able to > 'currently] find SEVEN [possibly eight] of the N.B. > Cars. Listers Mike McL. & Bob K. each have one. Big > Healey Lister Curt [actually his wife Nancy's ] > Arndt has one [which when Nancy WIN WILL be > re-re-stored to N.B. ] !! > > One NEVER knows until Cert. is IN HAND !!! > > Me > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 14 11:10:32 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:10:32 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersoll-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67EA722263E6485BA9780B7677F22469@spider> Optimists, like the people that buy Chinese stuff? ...bill in oregon ======================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:50 AM To: robertduquette at sympatico.ca; Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today > according to the Mayan calendar? If the Mayans were so smart, why didn't they know they'd be extinct by then, or if they did know, why did their calendar keep going? _______________________________________________ From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 14 11:24:00 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:24:00 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck Message-ID: <96fc.2ac2035e.3880bb40@aol.com> oops, I meant hot dogs. In a message dated 13/01/2010 22:57:51 GMT Standard Time, billyzoom at billyzoom.com writes: Real hamburgers? Or Wimpys? I didn't think you people knew what those were until McDonalds came along in the Eighties. I remember the Hard Rock having buns flown over from Canada. BZ From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 11:27:55 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:27:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <4B4E8771.50802@comcast.net> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> <4B4E8771.50802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef431001141027l4c237115rc79b382f2fbd1a25@mail.gmail.com> Frank, Was that this design or another one? http://www.williamsandpritchardregister.co.uk/warwickhardtop.jpg I must bring my VW Bus to Carlisle to bring home parts : ) But I would have to say they were a members parts as my spouse is like a prison guard when I go to shows and want to spend money on parts......LOL Lin On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Frank wrote: > Dean Hedin wrote: > >> >> >> Kicking myself for not buying that original top at the Carlisle fleamarket >> during Sprite Jubilee. >> >> The one I was selling? Donald Healey original. > Moses bought it and we know he will never use it. > Ask him for it. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 14 11:29:32 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:29:32 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Mini Ice Cream Truck In-Reply-To: <96fc.2ac2035e.3880bb40@aol.com> References: <96fc.2ac2035e.3880bb40@aol.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't a Princess taxi cab make a better vendor cart? ...bill in oregon =================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:24 AM To: billyzoom at billyzoom.com; healeyrick at yahoo.com; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mini Ice CreamTruck oops, I meant hot dogs. In a message dated 13/01/2010 22:57:51 GMT Standard Time, billyzoom at billyzoom.com writes: Real hamburgers? Or Wimpys? I didn't think you people knew what those were until McDonalds came along in the Eighties. I remember the Hard Rock having buns flown over from Canada. BZ From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 14 11:32:24 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:32:24 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Mini hot dog van Message-ID: <9afb.48484069.3880bd38@aol.com> _http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.traffic-modelcars.com/i mages%255Cminimodels-bmc43%255Cmini-hamburger-van.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.t raffic-modelcars.com/minimodels-index.htm&usg=___xs8kVhP9zTqqrtOEXVjBL10DKM= &h=368&w=514&sz=30&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=JGnOrLREVxgImM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=131 &prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmini%2Bhot%2Bdog%2Bvan%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26cr%3Dcoun tryUK%257CcountryGB%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF-8_ (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.traffic-modelcars.com/images%5Cminimodels-bmc43 %5Cmini-hamburger-van.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.traffic-modelcars.com/minimod els-index.htm&usg=___xs8kVhP9zTqqrtOEXVjBL10DKM=&h=368&w=514&sz=30&hl=en&sta rt=1&um=1&tbnid=JGnOrLREVxgImM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=131&prev=/images?q=mini+hot+dog +van&ndsp=20&hl=en&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&sa=N&um=1&ie=UTF-8) From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 11:40:33 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:33 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81DE1C66-DCE4-416A-97F9-F08D104A2D38@comcast.net> Truer words have rarely been spoken.. Lester On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Billy Zoom wrote: >> according to the Mayan calendar? > If the Mayans were so smart, why didn't they know they'd be extinct > by then, > or if they did know, why did their calendar keep going? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 11:58:18 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone have experience with "Smooth Line" hard tops In-Reply-To: <205cef431001141027l4c237115rc79b382f2fbd1a25@mail.gmail.com> References: <293679.26164.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4B3AEF27.5020706@wi.net> , , <4B4E8771.50802@comcast.net>, <205cef431001141027l4c237115rc79b382f2fbd1a25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> I would have to say they were a members parts And your spouse would be okay with you bringing back a member's 'parts'? ;) Robert ( I should be putting someone else's name here) > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:27:55 -0500 > From: grunthaner at gmail.com > > Frank, > Was that this design or another one? > http://www.williamsandpritchardregister.co.uk/warwickhardtop.jpg > > I must bring my VW Bus to Carlisle to bring home parts : ) But I would have > to say they were a members parts as my spouse is like a prison guard when I > go to shows and want to spend money on parts......LOL > Lin From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 12:05:29 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:05:29 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I don't know how smart they were. I've never met any. Maybe they did know of their own extinction but knew that time would march on ... until ... !!! ;) Robert > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:50:08 -0800 > > > according to the Mayan calendar? > If the Mayans were so smart, why didn't they know they'd be extinct by then, > or if they did know, why did their calendar keep going? From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Jan 14 12:10:23 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:10:23 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Their calendar kept going? Where did it go to ? ED >> according to the Mayan calendar? > If the Mayans were so smart, why didn't they know they'd be extinct by then, From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 12:15:23 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:15:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <81DE1C66-DCE4-416A-97F9-F08D104A2D38@comcast.net> References: <81DE1C66-DCE4-416A-97F9-F08D104A2D38@comcast.net> Message-ID: <-9083309160300194161@unknownmsgid> > Truer words have rarely been spoken.. Yeah, most of us weren't even moving our lips ;-) David L From froggi60 at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 12:37:22 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:37:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] There could be an LBC.... Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001141137m79b8c823p300a457e5a5c32b4@mail.gmail.com> Sending this figuring it will make it to at least one list. Herb YouTube - Pigeon: Impossible * Watch till ** the end...lol* ** *http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=jEjUAnPc2VA* -- Here is an Important Message for anyone who receives this email: If you forward this correspondence, PLEASE DELETE THE FORWARDING HISTORY, which includes my email address! It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world! Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and viruses from being propagated! IT ALSO PROTECTS YOU. From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 14 14:22:07 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:22:07 EST Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: Well I buy Snap-On tools from the USA and I hope they are made in the USA (some stuff used to be made in Canada). I have ARP bolts and US made AN bolts on my car and Goodridge fittings made in the USA. I have Samco silicone hose made in England, about a 20 min from where I live. I might have English made stainless steel trunnion bolts if there is a lot more interest or I might have a pair made in Ti. I think my washing machine was made in Germany. The fan unit on my domestic boiler that failed and cost me a lot of money was made in Italy but the bearing that failed that had insufficient grease in it was made in Indonesia. I eventually threatened Worcester-Bosch with a court action to get a full refund - they paid up. I think my telly is made in the far east but probably not China. I have bone china made in England (Royal Doulton). Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 14/01/2010 14:57:17 GMT Standard Time, davriker at nwi.net writes: I have a Chinese From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 14 14:23:41 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:23:41 EST Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: So you in for some silicone hose and s/s trunnion bolts made in the UK? You realise that ARP in the USA would NOT even quote me a price for stainless steel trunnion bolts. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 14/01/2010 15:16:41 GMT Standard Time, 72spridget at gmail.com writes: Of course, as long as we keep buying Spridget parts on the basis of price rather than quality, we don't "get it" either. David L From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 14 14:26:16 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:26:16 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. Message-ID: I don't think this is the UK - trees are too tall, the wrong type and too many cars LHD. In a message dated 14/01/2010 16:14:13 GMT Standard Time, grunthaner at gmail.com writes: List, Cool car graveyard I think somewhere in Europe. Check it out. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=46061 Lin From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 14:53:47 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:53:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Message-ID: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> My brother in law went into Guitar Center. Closed his eyes and asked the guy to hand him different acoustic guitars. He kept his eyes closed as he did not want to be swayed by labels. He played Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, the whole gamut. Price was no object as he had just received a large inheritance. Note that my brother in law is a very fine musician. He paid his way through college as a studio musician playing keyboard and guitar. As a very young man he worked with Nelson Riddle in Los Angeles. . his musical resume is very impressive.. So he has an ear. . He came out of Guitar Center with a guitar known as a Parkwood. When I got a chance to play and look at it I was extremely impressed with the build quality, the finish (nitro) and the way the guitar produced highs with a deep bass. The kerfing, all the details of the build were second to none. Then I read inside that the thing is made in China. . which totally caught me off guard. The Chinese can build to a high end quality (at least guitars) if the owner of the company orders them to build to their highest quality. And I would guess has a rep in the manufacturing facility to enforce the quality of the work? My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated puppet built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for churches for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 thousand square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the classroom on a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as anything I have seen. >From what I have been told, when you go to China to have a product made they ask you if you want their highest quality, medium quality or the lesser quality. My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the low quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality items. Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a few nerves with my email!!! Kirk 59 BE 1275 From eap2140 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 15:01:40 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:01:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just want to see the singing, riding, puppet dog!! ________________________________ From: Kirk Hargreaves To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 1:53:47 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? My brother in law went into Guitar Center. Closed his eyes and asked the guy to hand him different acoustic guitars. He kept his eyes closed as he did not want to be swayed by labels. He played Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, the whole gamut. Price was no object as he had just received a large inheritance. Note that my brother in law is a very fine musician. He paid his way through college as a studio musician playing keyboard and guitar. As a very young man he worked with Nelson Riddle in Los Angeles. . his musical resume is very impressive.. So he has an ear. . He came out of Guitar Center with a guitar known as a Parkwood. When I got a chance to play and look at it I was extremely impressed with the build quality, the finish (nitro) and the way the guitar produced highs with a deep bass. The kerfing, all the details of the build were second to none. Then I read inside that the thing is made in China. . which totally caught me off guard. The Chinese can build to a high end quality (at least guitars) if the owner of the company orders them to build to their highest quality. And I would guess has a rep in the manufacturing facility to enforce the quality of the work? My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated puppet built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for churches for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 thousand square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the classroom on a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as anything I have seen. >From what I have been told, when you go to China to have a product made they ask you if you want their highest quality, medium quality or the lesser quality. My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the low quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality items. Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a few nerves with my email!!! Kirk 59 BE 1275 Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 15:19:17 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:19:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Me too!! Lester .. sure would take the load off my wife, she's been teaching for 30 years.. On Jan 14, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Edward Perez wrote: > I just want to see the singing, riding, puppet dog!! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kirk Hargreaves > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 1:53:47 PM > Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? > > snip > > My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated > puppet > built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for > churches > for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 > thousand > square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. > > The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the > classroom on > a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as > anything I have > seen. > snip > Kirk > 59 BE 1275 From wmgilroy at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 15:28:19 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:28:19 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> Me too. I also want to see the church puppets. The best we had when I was a kid was penguins, but they were real scary! -g On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Edward Perez wrote: > I just want to see the singing, riding, puppet dog!! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kirk Hargreaves > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 1:53:47 PM > Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? > > My brother in law went into Guitar Center. Closed his eyes and asked the > guy to hand him different acoustic guitars. He kept his eyes closed as he > did not want to be swayed by labels. > > He played Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, the whole gamut. Price was no object > as he had just received a large inheritance. > > Note that my brother in law is a very fine musician. He paid his way > through college as a studio musician playing keyboard and guitar. As a > very > young man he worked with Nelson Riddle in Los Angeles. . his musical > resume > is very impressive.. > > So he has an ear. . > > He came out of Guitar Center with a guitar known as a Parkwood. > > When I got a chance to play and look at it I was extremely impressed with > the build quality, the finish (nitro) and the way the guitar produced highs > with a deep bass. > > The kerfing, all the details of the build were second to none. > > Then I read inside that the thing is made in China. . which totally caught > me off guard. > > The Chinese can build to a high end quality (at least guitars) if the owner > of the company orders them to build to their highest quality. And I would > guess has a rep in the manufacturing facility to enforce the quality of the > work? > > My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated puppet > built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for > churches > for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 > thousand > square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. > > The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the classroom on > a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as anything I > have > seen. > > >From what I have been told, when you go to China to have a product made > they > ask you if you want their highest quality, medium quality or the lesser > quality. > > My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the > low > quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, > they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this > reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality > items. > > Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a > few > nerves with my email!!! > > Kirk > 59 BE 1275 > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 16:06:43 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:06:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <346A6C6C-B6E2-4014-9D46-780D0A9DD75F@comcast.net> ..we just had felt characters on a felt board... Lester On Jan 14, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > Me too. I also want to see the church puppets. The best we had > when I was > a kid was penguins, but they were real scary! > > -g > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Edward Perez > wrote: > >> I just want to see the singing, riding, puppet dog!! From wmgilroy at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 16:13:21 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:13:21 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441250191001141513k5394b3a1g7bdc1c49274466cf@mail.gmail.com> It looks like it could the Pacific NW around me. The only thing that seems wrong are the pinecones on the ground. Heck my truck sits out in the rain and it gets a nice green moss/fungus coating on it at times. Wet for 8 months will do that. I have to power wash the driveway, it is getting a bit slick. -g On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:26 PM, wrote: > I don't think this is the UK - trees are too tall, the wrong type and too > many cars LHD. > > In a message dated 14/01/2010 16:14:13 GMT Standard Time, > grunthaner at gmail.com writes: > > List, > Cool car graveyard I think somewhere in Europe. Check it out. > http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=46061 > Lin > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dwoerpel at wi.net Thu Jan 14 16:22:03 2010 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:22:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. In-Reply-To: <205cef431001140803h5889d327l517a18d6912825ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001140803h5889d327l517a18d6912825ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4FA71B.7080204@wi.net> Dang, we ran out of gas in the Ardennes again! ;-) Dave W. Linda Grunthaner wrote: > List, > Cool car graveyard I think somewhere in Europe. Check it out. > http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=46061 > Lin From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 14 16:26:02 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:26:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <346A6C6C-B6E2-4014-9D46-780D0A9DD75F@comcast.net> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com><32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> <346A6C6C-B6E2-4014-9D46-780D0A9DD75F@comcast.net> Message-ID: We had to cut our own felt characters ...and carve a bar of soap at Vacation Bible School. ...bill in oregon ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lester Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:07 PM To: SPRIDGETS Group Chat Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? ..we just had felt characters on a felt board... Lester On Jan 14, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > Me too. I also want to see the church puppets. The best we had > when I was > a kid was penguins, but they were real scary! > > -g > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Edward Perez > wrote: > >> I just want to see the singing, riding, puppet dog!! _______________________________________________ From sales at justbrits.com Thu Jan 14 16:26:45 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:26:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4FA835.8060201@justbrits.com> << but they were real scary! >> But Bill, weren't they walking and sometimes talking but ALWAYS having 18" WOOD Rulers in their HUGE sleeves and which appeared for seemingly NOWHERE to rap your knuckles and/or head ??? LOL From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 16:38:01 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:38:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> Message-ID: <4B4FAAD9.2010007@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: >> I want to thank Hal for mentioning Mini Spares as he saved me $200 on >> the header over any reseller on this side of the pond. > Any way to tell if it is really Maniflow? It has a Maniflow tag welded to it. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 14 16:39:21 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:39:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC> Remember 50 years ago when saying something was "made in Japan" was an insult? Now Japanese cars rank higher in quality than Mercedes Benz. Same thing "could" happen in China. Really, Frank, it could!! LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:53 PM To: Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? My brother in law went into Guitar Center. Closed his eyes and asked the guy to hand him different acoustic guitars. He kept his eyes closed as he did not want to be swayed by labels. He played Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, the whole gamut. Price was no object as he had just received a large inheritance. Note that my brother in law is a very fine musician. He paid his way through college as a studio musician playing keyboard and guitar. As a very young man he worked with Nelson Riddle in Los Angeles. . his musical resume is very impressive.. So he has an ear. . He came out of Guitar Center with a guitar known as a Parkwood. When I got a chance to play and look at it I was extremely impressed with the build quality, the finish (nitro) and the way the guitar produced highs with a deep bass. The kerfing, all the details of the build were second to none. Then I read inside that the thing is made in China. . which totally caught me off guard. The Chinese can build to a high end quality (at least guitars) if the owner of the company orders them to build to their highest quality. And I would guess has a rep in the manufacturing facility to enforce the quality of the work? My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated puppet built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for churches for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 thousand square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the classroom on a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as anything I have seen. >From what I have been told, when you go to China to have a product made >they ask you if you want their highest quality, medium quality or the lesser quality. My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the low quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality items. Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a few nerves with my email!!! Kirk 59 BE 1275 Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 16:46:07 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:46:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice In-Reply-To: References: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> Message-ID: <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote: > Don't bring Moses! > He lives in Pennsy, not far from Christ. And YES, I have seen BOTH of them. I actually saw and heard Christ talk to Moses (chuck & Rick) ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 16:55:21 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:55:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC> Message-ID: <4B4FAEE9.9040408@comcast.net> Larry Daniels wrote: > Remember 50 years ago when saying something was "made in Japan" was an > insult? Now Japanese cars rank higher in quality than Mercedes Benz. > > Same thing "could" happen in China. Really, Frank, it could!! > > > Yes Jap stuff is better than taiwan stuff which is better than chinese junk which outshines crap made in Vietnam by a longshot. Will I live to see the day? Nope, the chinese will have raised my blood pressure to the the point of my head exploding because sooner or later I have to start being a consumer again, it just that there is NOTHING worth buying from china. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From wmgilroy at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 16:54:45 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:54:45 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice In-Reply-To: <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> References: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <441250191001141554g7d5a4d32r9e06422591231b99@mail.gmail.com> Did that happen in Bethlehem ? On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Frank wrote: > robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote: > >> Don't bring Moses! >> >> > He lives in Pennsy, not far from Christ. > And YES, I have seen BOTH of them. > I actually saw and heard Christ talk to Moses (chuck & Rick) ;) > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 14 16:55:17 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice In-Reply-To: <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> References: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6A8CAA32CCA949289DEEC73FE9851471@HomePC> One person talking to Christ is called insanity; many people talking to Christ is called religion. I'm not sure if that applies to Chuck. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:46 PM To: Cc: "Spridgets" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote: > Don't bring Moses! > He lives in Pennsy, not far from Christ. And YES, I have seen BOTH of them. I actually saw and heard Christ talk to Moses (chuck & Rick) ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 14 17:01:53 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:01:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC> Message-ID: <5F7696D3C979419793CE10AFE693830C@spider> In the 1950's they were selling some cheap stuff, but there was also quality for those that knew where to look. The Japanese had captured all of the German camera technology before WW II. That was some of the first affordable, quality stuff to be exported. ...bill in oregon ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:39 PM To: Kirk Hargreaves; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Remember 50 years ago when saying something was "made in Japan" was an insult? Now Japanese cars rank higher in quality than Mercedes Benz. Same thing "could" happen in China. Really, Frank, it could!! LAD -------------------------------------------------- From chriskrchr at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 17:13:00 2010 From: chriskrchr at gmail.com (Chris Karcher) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts Message-ID: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> Our father/son Midget project has been languishing for quite a while now, partly because it's not much fun to work outside in the Pacific NW this time of year, and partly because we're waiting on parts. We've ordered a "major suspension kit" from Moss and it's been back ordered for going on 3 months now. I've talked to them a couple of times and keep getting answers like "new supplier", "first part of December", "first part of January", "soon" etc. Victoria British has discontinued their kit but when they dug a little deeper, told me it's TBA. I even wrote one of the shops in the UK that sells reconditioned stub axle assemblies but they told me pretty much the same thing -- working on a new supplier. Too bad because going that route would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know of a source? Thanks, Chris '74 Midget From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 17:16:37 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:16:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4FB3E5.4000002@comcast.net> Billy Zoom wrote: >> Keeps that crap out of our water and air. >> > Actually, Southern California has been getting Chinese and Indian smog for > several years now. > > Mercury in the light bulbs, lead in the paint, all goes in their rivers. We learned this was no good in the 60s, we told them this is no good but do they listen? Nope, so why can't we nuke em? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From eap2140 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 17:15:42 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:15:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <4B4FAEE9.9040408@comcast.net> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC> <4B4FAEE9.9040408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <616476.34990.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When I was in Taiwan, everything was made in China....go figure. Now, China is aiming their sites on the commercial aviation industry. They are developing a direct competitor to the Boeing 737. To: Larry Daniels Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net; Kirk Hargreaves Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:55:21 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Larry Daniels wrote: > Remember 50 years ago when saying something was "made in Japan" was an insult? Now Japanese cars rank higher in quality than Mercedes Benz. > > Same thing "could" happen in China. Really, Frank, it could!! > > > Yes Jap stuff is better than taiwan stuff which is better than chinese junk which outshines crap made in Vietnam by a longshot. Will I live to see the day? Nope, the chinese will have raised my blood pressure to the the point of my head exploding because sooner or later I have to start being a consumer again, it just that there is NOTHING worth buying from china. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 17:19:30 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:19:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You might try Ed at Just Brits, I don't know who his supplier is, but I had gotten my stuff from him a few years ago. I bought the A arms with new kingpins and swivels, ready to bolt in. ED, PUT DOWN YOUR BEER AND HELP THIS MAN OUT!!! Brad On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Chris Karcher wrote: > Our father/son Midget project has been languishing for quite a while now, > partly because it's not much fun to work outside in the Pacific NW this time > of year, and partly because we're waiting on parts. B We've ordered a "major > suspension kit" from Moss and it's been back ordered for going on 3 months > now. B I've talked to them a couple of times and keep getting answers like > "new supplier", "first part of December", "first part of January", "soon" > etc. B Victoria British has discontinued their kit but when they dug a little > deeper, told me it's TBA. B I even wrote one of the shops in the UK that > sells reconditioned stub axle assemblies but they told me pretty much the > same thing -- working on a new supplier. B Too bad because going that route > would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. > > Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know > of a source? > > Thanks, > Chris > > '74 Midget > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From billmasq at hotmail.com Thu Jan 14 17:26:39 2010 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:26:39 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know if you know/want to know this but a few parts of the Boeing 737 are made in China, the rudders and elevators. At first (about 15 years ago) we had to rework quite a bit of each part before it was ready to go on an airplane but after a few stern words and some cooperation the parts are definitely as good as the parts that used to be made here in Washington. As Kirk said tthey will make any quality part that you want, you just need to specify it and be willing to pay for it. BillM > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:53:47 -0800 > From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? > > My brother in law went into Guitar Center. Closed his eyes and asked the > guy to hand him different acoustic guitars. He kept his eyes closed as he > did not want to be swayed by labels. > > He played Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, the whole gamut. Price was no object > as he had just received a large inheritance. > > Note that my brother in law is a very fine musician. He paid his way > through college as a studio musician playing keyboard and guitar. As a very > young man he worked with Nelson Riddle in Los Angeles. . his musical resume > is very impressive.. > > So he has an ear. . > > He came out of Guitar Center with a guitar known as a Parkwood. > > When I got a chance to play and look at it I was extremely impressed with > the build quality, the finish (nitro) and the way the guitar produced highs > with a deep bass. > > The kerfing, all the details of the build were second to none. > > Then I read inside that the thing is made in China. . which totally caught > me off guard. > > The Chinese can build to a high end quality (at least guitars) if the owner > of the company orders them to build to their highest quality. And I would > guess has a rep in the manufacturing facility to enforce the quality of the > work? > > My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated puppet > built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for churches > for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 thousand > square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. > > The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the classroom on > a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as anything I have > seen. > > >From what I have been told, when you go to China to have a product made they > ask you if you want their highest quality, medium quality or the lesser > quality. > > My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the low > quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, > they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this > reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality > items. > > Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a few > nerves with my email!!! > > Kirk > 59 BE 1275 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 14 17:34:24 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:34:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersoll-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <4B4FB3E5.4000002@comcast.net> References: <4B4FB3E5.4000002@comcast.net> Message-ID: Nukes pollute. ...bill in oregon ======================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:17 PM To: Billy Zoom Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Billy Zoom wrote: >> Keeps that crap out of our water and air. >> > Actually, Southern California has been getting Chinese and Indian smog for > several years now. > > Mercury in the light bulbs, lead in the paint, all goes in their rivers. We learned this was no good in the 60s, we told them this is no good but do they listen? Nope, so why can't we nuke em? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From richb at u.washington.edu Thu Jan 14 17:35:10 2010 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:35:10 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0AD3296C4CF24895B8F086ECDCC50DD7@psych.washington.edu> Chris While I don't have a source for your parts, there are several of us up here, and I do believe we have access to the king pin bushing reamer if it comes to that. Where in the Pacific NW are you? Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Karcher" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts > Our father/son Midget project has been languishing for quite a while now, > partly because it's not much fun to work outside in the Pacific NW this > time > of year, and partly because we're waiting on parts. We've ordered a > "major > suspension kit" from Moss and it's been back ordered for going on 3 months > now. I've talked to them a couple of times and keep getting answers like > "new supplier", "first part of December", "first part of January", "soon" > etc. Victoria British has discontinued their kit but when they dug a > little > deeper, told me it's TBA. I even wrote one of the shops in the UK that > sells reconditioned stub axle assemblies but they told me pretty much the > same thing -- working on a new supplier. Too bad because going that route > would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. > > Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know > of a source? > > Thanks, > Chris > > '74 Midget > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From wmgilroy at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 18:00:38 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:00:38 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: <0AD3296C4CF24895B8F086ECDCC50DD7@psych.washington.edu> References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> <0AD3296C4CF24895B8F086ECDCC50DD7@psych.washington.edu> Message-ID: <441250191001141700j505f1fa4i428d1f83730acf1a@mail.gmail.com> Any machine shop should be able to ream your bushings at a reasonable price. -g On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Richard Ball wrote: > Chris > > While I don't have a source for your parts, there are several of us up > here, and I do believe we have access to the king pin bushing reamer if it > comes to that. > > Where in the Pacific NW are you? > > Rich Ball > '76 Midget > Everett, WA > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Karcher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:13 PM > Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts > > > Our father/son Midget project has been languishing for quite a while >> now, >> partly because it's not much fun to work outside in the Pacific NW this >> time >> of year, and partly because we're waiting on parts. We've ordered a >> "major >> suspension kit" from Moss and it's been back ordered for going on 3 months >> now. I've talked to them a couple of times and keep getting answers like >> "new supplier", "first part of December", "first part of January", "soon" >> etc. Victoria British has discontinued their kit but when they dug a >> little >> deeper, told me it's TBA. I even wrote one of the shops in the UK that >> sells reconditioned stub axle assemblies but they told me pretty much the >> same thing -- working on a new supplier. Too bad because going that route >> would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. >> >> Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know >> of a source? >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> '74 Midget >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu >> >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From sales at justbrits.com Thu Jan 14 18:39:39 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:39:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice In-Reply-To: <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> References: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B4FC75B.9030507@justbrits.com> <> Kinda close to ME & the dentist chit-chatting...... ?!? Never mind !!! From eap2140 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 18:39:51 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:39:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <539218.87191.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So, in essence, we "Taught a man to fish".....now they want to build their own plane using our technology. Go figure. ________________________________ From: Bill Masquelier To: spridget list Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:26:39 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? I don't know if you know/want to know this but a few parts of the Boeing 737 are made in China, the rudders and elevators. At first (about 15 years ago) we had to rework quite a bit of each part before it was ready to go on an airplane but after a few stern words and some cooperation the parts are definitely as good as the parts that used to be made here in Washington. As Kirk said tthey will make any quality part that you want, you just need to specify it and be willing to pay for it. BillM > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:53:47 -0800 > From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? > > My brother in law went into Guitar Center. Closed his eyes and asked the > guy to hand him different acoustic guitars. He kept his eyes closed as he > did not want to be swayed by labels. > > He played Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, the whole gamut. Price was no object > as he had just received a large inheritance. > > Note that my brother in law is a very fine musician. He paid his way > through college as a studio musician playing keyboard and guitar. As a very > young man he worked with Nelson Riddle in Los Angeles. . his musical resume > is very impressive.. > > So he has an ear. . > > He came out of Guitar Center with a guitar known as a Parkwood. > > When I got a chance to play and look at it I was extremely impressed with > the build quality, the finish (nitro) and the way the guitar produced highs > with a deep bass. > > The kerfing, all the details of the build were second to none. > > Then I read inside that the thing is made in China. . which totally caught > me off guard. > > The Chinese can build to a high end quality (at least guitars) if the owner > of the company orders them to build to their highest quality. And I would > guess has a rep in the manufacturing facility to enforce the quality of the > work? > > My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated puppet > built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for churches > for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 thousand > square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. > > The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the classroom on > a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as anything I have > seen. > > >From what I have been told, when you go to China to have a product made they > ask you if you want their highest quality, medium quality or the lesser > quality. > > My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the low > quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, > they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this > reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality > items. > > Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a few > nerves with my email!!! > > Kirk > 59 BE 1275 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 18:58:09 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:58:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439174.89420.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a seller on ebay that has several front end kits listed right now. Not sure what it is exactly that you're looking for, but here are a couple of his listings... http://tinyurl.com/bushing-kit http://tinyurl.com/brake-kit ________________________________ From: Chris Karcher To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:13:00 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts Our father/son Midget project has been languishing for quite a while now, partly because it's not much fun to work outside in the Pacific NW this time of year, and partly because we're waiting on parts. We've ordered a "major suspension kit" from Moss and it's been back ordered for going on 3 months now. I've talked to them a couple of times and keep getting answers like "new supplier", "first part of December", "first part of January", "soon" etc. Victoria British has discontinued their kit but when they dug a little deeper, told me it's TBA. I even wrote one of the shops in the UK that sells reconditioned stub axle assemblies but they told me pretty much the same thing -- working on a new supplier. Too bad because going that route would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know of a source? Thanks, Chris '74 Midget Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Thu Jan 14 19:19:48 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:19:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC> Message-ID: > higher in quality than Mercedes Benz. That's not saying much. From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 19:44:11 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:44:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <4B4FAAD9.2010007@comcast.net> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> <4B4FAAD9.2010007@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001141844v23d699e1k11abac601be07383@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Frank wrote: > Michael Rowe wrote: >>> >>> I want to thank Hal for mentioning Mini Spares as he saved me $200 on the >>> header over any reseller on this side of the pond. >> >> Any way to tell if it is really Maniflow? > > It has a Maniflow tag welded to it. > Yes, the Chinese couldn't possibly duplicate that too. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 20:14:31 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:14:31 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <310A0973C50E4F71892956E1C6B9B6A0@blackbox2> It's even a bit deeper than what you point out below, Kirk. Many of the contract manufacturers are American companies that have set up shop in China (or Mexico). In this case who is to blame for the lack of quality? BTW, The washer bottle made it. Cleaned it up and put it in last night. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? > My brother in law went into Guitar Center. Closed his eyes and asked the > guy to hand him different acoustic guitars. He kept his eyes closed as he > did not want to be swayed by labels. > > He played Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, the whole gamut. Price was no object > as he had just received a large inheritance. > > Note that my brother in law is a very fine musician. He paid his way > through college as a studio musician playing keyboard and guitar. As a very > young man he worked with Nelson Riddle in Los Angeles. . his musical resume > is very impressive.. > > So he has an ear. . > > He came out of Guitar Center with a guitar known as a Parkwood. > > When I got a chance to play and look at it I was extremely impressed with > the build quality, the finish (nitro) and the way the guitar produced highs > with a deep bass. > > The kerfing, all the details of the build were second to none. > > Then I read inside that the thing is made in China. . which totally caught > me off guard. > > The Chinese can build to a high end quality (at least guitars) if the owner > of the company orders them to build to their highest quality. And I would > guess has a rep in the manufacturing facility to enforce the quality of the > work? > > My father in law has made many trips to China to have an automated puppet > built for his business. He had at the time been making puppets for churches > for the last 35 years. . and making a very nice living from his 20 thousand > square foot facility where his puppets were manufactured. > > The quality of this automated teaching dog that rides into the classroom on > a tricycle and sings and talks to the children is as good as anything I have > seen. > >>From what I have been told, when you go to China to have a product made they > ask you if you want their highest quality, medium quality or the lesser > quality. > > My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the low > quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, > they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this > reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality > items. > > Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a few > nerves with my email!!! > > Kirk > 59 BE 1275 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dlh2001 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 20:26:37 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:26:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Karcher" > Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know > of a source? Yes, I think I have a good idea. Since the slump in the economy (and especially in the auto industry) there have been alot of small suppliers that have gone out of business. Some of these outfits that went under made spridget parts. In some cases this business went to to some larger surviving manufacturer. In other cases it did not. So places like Moss have to look around for either existing stock elsewhere in the world or hope to get someone else to make the items in question. From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 20:50:53 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:50:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4FE61D.8040004@comcast.net> Dean Hedin wrote: > > > So places like Moss have to look around for either existing stock > elsewhere in the world or > hope to get someone else to make the items in question. > The chinese will do it for .20 cents each. Oh, they already do, sorry. From eap2140 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 21:11:33 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c1001141844v23d699e1k11abac601be07383@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> <4B4FAAD9.2010007@comcast.net> <8de85a9c1001141844v23d699e1k11abac601be07383@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507652.63796.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recall, a while ago, a high tech aircraft made an "emergency landing" somewhere in China. The crew was released, but the plane stayed there for quite a while. All the time, the Chinese were reverse engineering it (taking it apart). I'm sure we will see very similar aircraft in their military shortly. When I was in Russia, everything was fair game. No copy rights, patents, or infringement was out of bounds. Everything was fair game. Anything to make a buck. They had duplicates of everything. ________________________________ From: Jeff Foster To: Spridget list Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 6:44:11 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Frank wrote: > Michael Rowe wrote: >>> >>> I want to thank Hal for mentioning Mini Spares as he saved me $200 on the >>> header over any reseller on this side of the pond. >> >> Any way to tell if it is really Maniflow? > > It has a Maniflow tag welded to it. > Yes, the Chinese couldn't possibly duplicate that too. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 22:32:37 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:32:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: <441250191001141700j505f1fa4i428d1f83730acf1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> <0AD3296C4CF24895B8F086ECDCC50DD7@psych.washington.edu> <441250191001141700j505f1fa4i428d1f83730acf1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001142132j51ca5279qb020db3b346ab9f9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > Any machine shop should be able to ream your bushings at a reasonable > price. > OOooooo!! Ream my bushings big fella, but make me love it! -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 22:43:10 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:43:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> <4B4FE61D.8040004@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'll tell you what, I got a rear wheel brake cylinder from Moss just a little while ago. Guess who made it? Delphi. Parts division of GM that was spun off. Why they were making Spridget parts is beyond me. But it may explain why they were going bankrupt. But your right. It already in China.... If you look at Delphi on Wikipedia and scroll down to Chapter 11 Bankruptcy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_(auto_parts) "Sale of global suspension and brakes business to BeijingWest announced March 31, 2009" More here... http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2009-04/02/content_7641983.htm They got all the key stuff (machinery, intellectual property) for 100 million. That's a hell of a bargain. What does it mean when we the tax payers bought GM and the key parts supplier of GM is bought up by a Chinese company? I think it means we've been Shanghai'd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" > Dean Hedin wrote: >> >> >> So places like Moss have to look around for either existing stock >> elsewhere in the world or >> hope to get someone else to make the items in question. >> > The chinese will do it for .20 cents each. > Oh, they already do, sorry. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 23:23:09 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:23:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> <4B4FE61D.8040004@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001142223k3d491d88y57a08feb6bb71d84@mail.gmail.com> Screwed without benefit of intercourse, Dean... Cheers! Jim On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Dean Hedin wrote: > I'll tell you what, I got a rear wheel brake cylinder from Moss just a > little while ago. > > Guess who made it? Delphi. Parts division of GM that was spun off. > Why they were making Spridget parts is beyond me. But it may explain > why they were going bankrupt. > > But your right. It already in China.... > If you look at Delphi on Wikipedia and scroll down to Chapter 11 Bankruptcy > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_(auto_parts) > > "Sale of global suspension and brakes business to BeijingWest announced > March 31, 2009" > > More here... > http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2009-04/02/content_7641983.htm > > They got all the key stuff (machinery, intellectual property) for 100 > million. That's a hell of a bargain. > > What does it mean when we the tax payers bought GM and the key parts > supplier of GM is bought up by a Chinese company? > > I think it means we've been Shanghai'd > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" > > Dean Hedin wrote: >> >>> >>> So places like Moss have to look around for either existing stock >>> elsewhere in the world or >>> hope to get someone else to make the items in question. >>> >>> The chinese will do it for .20 cents each. >> Oh, they already do, sorry. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From grday at btinternet.com Fri Jan 15 00:39:06 2010 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:39:06 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today References: <4B4FB3E5.4000002@comcast.net> Message-ID: <75CCEA1D1B824AF7AB9F902881F503C1@user8634b3d69b> Nope, so why can't we nuke em? 'Cause they'd nuke you right back ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Billy Zoom" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today > Billy Zoom wrote: >>> Keeps that crap out of our water and air. >>> >> Actually, Southern California has been getting Chinese and Indian smog >> for >> several years now. >> >> > Mercury in the light bulbs, lead in the paint, all goes in their rivers. > We learned this was no good in the 60s, we told them this is no good but > do they listen? > Nope, so why can't we nuke em? > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 01:20:32 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:20:32 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Comment on Japan Message-ID: <37dc82d41001150020l6115d3c0y322a4a7630c217ea@mail.gmail.com> Even when Japan was producing junky stuff they were also making the Nikon camera. Today, Japanese guitars have gained a lot of respect. Many feel that the best guitars are being made, and have been made since the early 1980's, in Japan. It used to be if you owned a guitar made in Japan it was kind of frowned upon. . but now there is a new level of respect for the level of quality and "vibe" that the Japanese are putting into their electric guitars. Fender turned to Japan to keep themselves moving forward during the transition when the employees bought the Fender back form CBS (early 1980's). They only bought the right to the name, not the machines or the tooling. So they had a period where they had to start basically from scratch. One of the Fender execs while on a trip to a Japanese guitar factory was said to have choked up after seeing, feeling and playing a Fender Stratocaster type guitar that was made in the Nippo Gense (sp) factory. The thought of the executives was, "If we could only bring this kind of quality and vibe to our guitars that we are going to build in the States." So the deal was struck to have Fenders made in this Japanese factory while Fender was re-tooling and setting up their factory in Corona California. Kirk From frog.aye at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 01:38:48 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c1001141844v23d699e1k11abac601be07383@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> <4B4FAAD9.2010007@comcast.net> <8de85a9c1001141844v23d699e1k11abac601be07383@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001150038j3b13dde8jdd51c223eac271eb@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Jeff Foster wrote: > > > It has a Maniflow tag welded to it. > > > > Yes, the Chinese couldn't possibly duplicate that too. > > This has gone a little OTT. If you are so suspicious of MiniSpares I suggest that you continue to purchase elsewhere. Hal From gmari2 at verizon.net Fri Jan 15 06:20:41 2010 From: gmari2 at verizon.net (gmari2 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:20:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. Message-ID: <3264496.38508.1263561641238.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> From peter at nosimport.com Fri Jan 15 08:03:15 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:03:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com > References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001150703808.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Rather than buy the big kit, buy the swivel pin kit from Moss number 264-205 on special right now. All of the other parts that comprise the big kit are available, I believe, save the inner trunnion bolts. Peter C == At 06:13 PM 1/14/2010, Chris Karcher wrote: >Our father/son Midget project has been languishing for quite a while now, >partly because it's not much fun to work outside in the Pacific NW this time >of year, and partly because we're waiting on parts. We've ordered a "major >suspension kit" from Moss and it's been back ordered for going on 3 months >now. I've talked to them a couple of times and keep getting answers like >"new supplier", "first part of December", "first part of January", "soon" >etc. Victoria British has discontinued their kit but when they dug a little >deeper, told me it's TBA. I even wrote one of the shops in the UK that >sells reconditioned stub axle assemblies but they told me pretty much the >same thing -- working on a new supplier. Too bad because going that route >would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. > >Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know >of a source? > >Thanks, >Chris > >'74 Midget From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 08:10:50 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:10:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001150038j3b13dde8jdd51c223eac271eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4F1037.5020904@comcast.net> <585858FB058A4E02BD179E7EAF5A4518@Home> <4B4FAAD9.2010007@comcast.net> <8de85a9c1001141844v23d699e1k11abac601be07383@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001150038j3b13dde8jdd51c223eac271eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001150710u47e30e04n9d99568410634f77@mail.gmail.com> My comment was not at all directed at MiniSpares! Or toward any other vendor for that matter. My apologies to all for not making that clear in my previous post. My comment was simply a statement that if the Chinese, or any other group, decided to copy a Maniflow header they could just as easily counterfeit any identifying marks if they so desired. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Hal Faulkner wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Jeff Foster wrote: >> >> > It has a Maniflow tag welded to it. >> > >> >> Yes, the Chinese couldn't possibly duplicate that too. >> > This has gone a little OTT. > If you are so suspicious of MiniSpares I suggest that you continue to > purchase elsewhere. > Hal From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 15 08:13:19 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:13:19 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <4B4FAEE9.9040408@comcast.net> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com>, <95DD0BA8F0E142ACA9992350F4916FE0@HomePC>, <4B4FAEE9.9040408@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well, ... they did make a great wall ... Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:55:21 -0500 > ... just that there is NOTHING > worth buying from china. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 15 08:27:14 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:27:14 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree that it's to make a buck. So they have to have produced what will meet demand. And the demand is for a lot of junk. If the demand was for high end stuff, then they would have that made. We don't pick and choose what we want anymore; we want it all. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:53:47 -0800 > My take, most of the businesses that order stuff from China order on the low > quality side to make a buck. . and as the Chinese are willing to comply, > they get the bad reputation that sticks with them. And they brought this > reputation on themselves complying with requests to turn out low quality > items. > > Ok. . start taking some shots at me. . I know that I may have struck a few > nerves with my email!!! > > Kirk > 59 BE 1275 From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 15 08:32:23 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:32:23 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There used to be a graveyard about 5 miles from where I was born and 'raised'. ( I know if I said 'grew up', I would get an argument. ) In a wooded area there were a bunch of cars from the late 30's ( I think ). I was told that there had been a train wreck and the new cars being shipped on that train were wrecked and that was where they were laid to rest. It got cleaned up about 15? years ago. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 08:36:31 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> Oh crap my robotics club competition is on Saturday May 22nd. but the good news is it is in PA and no overnight. Most of the good parts will be sold by Sunday but I'm going to have to pick through the bones on Sunday ; ) Lin On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Frank wrote: > Skip Jackson wrote: > >> I'm planning ahead; what are the dates for Carlisle this year? >> > > May 21-23 > http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/events/ > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 08:57:08 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:57:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef431001150757v30ea95c5g89986d12f59acaa8@mail.gmail.com> I hope some people got some good parts over the years from it : ) Lin On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: > There used to be a graveyard about 5 miles from where I was born and > 'raised'. > ( I know if I said 'grew up', I would get an argument. ) In a wooded area > there were a bunch of cars from the late 30's ( I think ). I was told that > there had been a train wreck and the new cars being shipped on that train > were > wrecked and that was where they were laid to rest. It got cleaned up about > 15? years ago. > > Robert Duquette > Ottawa ON Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 10:36:17 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Heritage Certificate site questions I can't answer Message-ID: <205cef431001150936i747034ffv517f514a89bde074@mail.gmail.com> List, What do they mean on the Heritage site "registration mark & date of first registration"? Lin http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/shop/heritage-certificates/heritage%20certificate%20&%20archive%20photograph/heritage%20certificate%20with%20chassis%20number%20&%20photograph/index.html From abcoz at hky.com Fri Jan 15 10:51:14 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Linda, Better take a sick day on Friday and come out to Carlisle. Friday is still the best day to be at Import Carlisle, followed by Saturday morning. If the weather sucks, people tend to get pretty discouraged by Saturday afternoon and may leave early. By Sunday, the swap meet area is pretty much deserted, I'm afraid.......although there is still something to be said for early Sunday morning, catching bargains as people get ready to leave, of even from trash cans (of course, I've only HEARD about trash can bargains, never taken advantage of any such thing........). You wouldn't believe what some morons will throw out if it doesn't sell! Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "Frank" Cc: "spridget" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Carlisle > Oh crap my robotics club competition is on Saturday May 22nd. but the good > news is it is in PA and no overnight. Most of the good parts will be sold > by > Sunday but I'm going to have to pick through the bones on Sunday ; ) > Lin > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Frank wrote: > >> Skip Jackson wrote: >> >>> I'm planning ahead; what are the dates for Carlisle this year? >>> >> >> May 21-23 >> http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/events/ >> >> -- >> Frank Clarici >> Toms River, NJ >> My own Fleet of Sprites >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as abcoz at hky.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 10:56:09 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Nevada Beige Bugeye's please post pictures of any you see : ) Message-ID: <205cef431001150956r4abcdb4am1faa18d75c64d7dd@mail.gmail.com> List, Well Ed really had me thinking about that Nevada Beige color and I looked but did not find any. I only got this link below. I often think our little square bodied Sprites look like the 50's Chevy. If anyone finds a picture of a Nevada Beige Bugeye can you post it. I want to drool. Lin Don't you just love the Chevy Nomad : ) http://classiccarsglobal.blogspot.com/2009_08_02_archive.html From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 15 11:05:48 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:05:48 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Message-ID: <25c2a.19dc7c24.3882087c@aol.com> Do you mean the Honda and Toyota cars made in England or Japanese cars made in Japan? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 14/01/2010 23:42:48 GMT Standard Time, ladaniels at sbcglobal.net writes: Now Japanese cars rank higher in quality From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 15 11:06:44 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:06:44 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Message-ID: <25c9b.6de8cd67.388208b4@aol.com> Tea? In a message dated 14/01/2010 23:56:46 GMT Standard Time, spritenut at comcast.net writes: it just that there is NOTHING worth buying from china. From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 15 11:08:15 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:08:15 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts Message-ID: <25d62.76d6e997.3882090f@aol.com> If you buy or borrow a stepped reamer it's not that difficult job to do yourself. In a message dated 15/01/2010 00:13:05 GMT Standard Time, chriskrchr at gmail.com writes: Too bad because going that route would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 11:09:19 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:09:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef431001151009q3a85df12o2d01ffb296a49e8d@mail.gmail.com> Bud, Interesting point. I actually was thinking of a sick day although with the trip the very next morning there is no way I can do that. So it will have to be "slim pickins" for me ....LOL I am thinking of heading out at 5AM which should bring me in by 8. I will be sure to pick through the bones left behind... : ) Lin On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Bud Osbourne wrote: > Linda, > Better take a sick day on Friday and come out to Carlisle. Friday is still > the best day to be at Import Carlisle, followed by Saturday morning. If the > weather sucks, people tend to get pretty discouraged by Saturday afternoon > and may leave early. By Sunday, the swap meet area is pretty much deserted, > I'm afraid.......although there is still something to be said for early > Sunday morning, catching bargains as people get ready to leave, of even from > trash cans (of course, I've only HEARD about trash can bargains, never taken > advantage of any such thing........). You wouldn't believe what some morons > will throw out if it doesn't sell! > Bud Osbourne > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" < > grunthaner at gmail.com> > To: "Frank" > Cc: "spridget" > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Carlisle > > > Oh crap my robotics club competition is on Saturday May 22nd. but the >> good >> news is it is in PA and no overnight. Most of the good parts will be sold >> by >> Sunday but I'm going to have to pick through the bones on Sunday ; ) >> Lin >> >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Frank wrote: >> >> Skip Jackson wrote: >>> >>> I'm planning ahead; what are the dates for Carlisle this year? >>>> >>>> >>> May 21-23 >>> http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/events/ >>> >>> -- >>> Frank Clarici >>> Toms River, NJ >>> My own Fleet of Sprites >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as abcoz at hky.com >> >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 15 11:09:08 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:09:08 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Message-ID: <25dcc.686c3b11.38820944@aol.com> I'd be real interested to see bamboo gas turbine blades! In a message dated 15/01/2010 00:15:51 GMT Standard Time, eap2140 at yahoo.com writes: They are developing a direct competitor to the Boeing 737. From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 11:12:06 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:12:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Nevada Beige Bugeye's please post pictures of any you see : ) In-Reply-To: <205cef431001150956r4abcdb4am1faa18d75c64d7dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001150956r4abcdb4am1faa18d75c64d7dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <-7984435239154383641@unknownmsgid> > List, > Well Ed really had me thinking about that Nevada Beige color and I > looked > but did not find any. I only got this link below. I often think our > little > square bodied Sprites look like the 50's Chevy. > > If anyone finds a picture of a Nevada Beige Bugeye can you post it. > I want > to drool. Lin, I have found that "rare color" really means "no one liked it then, either". David L From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 15 11:13:26 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:26 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Maniflow LCB Header again Message-ID: <25fdb.2fc999a8.38820a46@aol.com> Maningflom? In a message dated 15/01/2010 15:11:31 GMT Standard Time, tr3.4.me at gmail.com writes: My comment was not at all directed at MiniSpares! Or toward any other vendor for that matter. My apologies to all for not making that clear in my previous post. My comment was simply a statement that if the Chinese, or any other group, decided to copy a Maniflow header they could just as easily counterfeit any identifying marks if they so desired. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 11:29:13 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:29:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <205cef431001151009q3a85df12o2d01ffb296a49e8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> <205cef431001151009q3a85df12o2d01ffb296a49e8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001151029o5d1efd94g89ed942d29c4559d@mail.gmail.com> Sneak around Frank's house late Thursday night and disable all his sprites... If he doesn't go to Carlisle, it won't rain.... ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > Bud, > Interesting point. I actually was thinking of a sick day although with the > trip the very next morning there is no way I can do that. So it will have > to > be "slim pickins" for me ....LOL I am thinking of heading out at 5AM which > should bring me in by 8. I will be sure to pick through the bones left > behind... : ) > Lin > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Bud Osbourne wrote: > > > Linda, > > Better take a sick day on Friday and come out to Carlisle. Friday is > still > > the best day to be at Import Carlisle, followed by Saturday morning. If > the > > weather sucks, people tend to get pretty discouraged by Saturday > afternoon > > and may leave early. By Sunday, the swap meet area is pretty much > deserted, > > I'm afraid.......although there is still something to be said for early > > Sunday morning, catching bargains as people get ready to leave, of even > from > > trash cans (of course, I've only HEARD about trash can bargains, never > taken > > advantage of any such thing........). You wouldn't believe what some > morons > > will throw out if it doesn't sell! > > Bud Osbourne > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" < > > grunthaner at gmail.com> > > To: "Frank" > > Cc: "spridget" > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Carlisle > > > > > > Oh crap my robotics club competition is on Saturday May 22nd. but the > >> good > >> news is it is in PA and no overnight. Most of the good parts will be > sold > >> by > >> Sunday but I'm going to have to pick through the bones on Sunday ; ) > >> Lin > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Frank wrote: > >> > >> Skip Jackson wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm planning ahead; what are the dates for Carlisle this year? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> May 21-23 > >>> http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/events/ > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Frank Clarici > >>> Toms River, NJ > >>> My own Fleet of Sprites > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >>> > >>> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > >>> > >>> http://www.team.net/archive > >>> > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >> > >> You are subscribed as abcoz at hky.com > >> > >> > >> http://www.team.net/archive > >> > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 11:40:50 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:40:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) Message-ID: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> Ugly as hell but still a part of our A Series family : ) Lin http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mini-Cooper-Mini-Moke-healey-100M-3000-XKE_W0QQitemZ280450142184QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item414c218fe8 From jfishbein at snet.net Fri Jan 15 11:48:49 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:48:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) In-Reply-To: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <138186.76537.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> How about the modern interpretation? http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mini-moke-2009-12-16 jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Linda Grunthaner wrote: From: Linda Grunthaner Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) To: "Spridget list" Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 1:40 PM Ugly as hell but still a part of our A Series family : ) Lin http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mini-Cooper-Mini-Moke-healey-100M-3000-XKE_W0QQitemZ280450142184QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item414c218fe8 From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Jan 15 11:58:44 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:58:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <25c2a.19dc7c24.3882087c@aol.com> Message-ID: Actually, I think Toyota claims to be the most American car sold in the US...US built with more US made parts and US labor. I haven't tried the English Hondas yet, but I believe all of our hot rod Si's are from England. > Do you mean the Honda and Toyota cars made in England or Japanese cars made > in Japan? From bkitterer at me.com Fri Jan 15 11:59:18 2010 From: bkitterer at me.com (Bob Kitterer) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Nevada Beige Bugeye's please post pictures of any you see : ) In-Reply-To: <-7984435239154383641@unknownmsgid> References: <205cef431001150956r4abcdb4am1faa18d75c64d7dd@mail.gmail.com> <-7984435239154383641@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: David, Careful how you talk about the best color to ever be on a Sprite - - flame shields up. Linda, go to Ed's site and click down through "Sprites" and then towards the bottom of the page is "1960 Sprite (MK IV in disguise) Bob and Annices Sprite." But I will give you advance warning this color almost never comes out correctly in photographs. It makes slight color shifts depending on the light, doubt that was BMC intent but I have always thought it was a great color. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage 2000 Miata Special Edition - about to go into storage On Jan 15, 2010, at 10:12 AM, David Lieb wrote: >> List, >> Well Ed really had me thinking about that Nevada Beige color and I >> looked >> but did not find any. I only got this link below. I often think our >> little >> square bodied Sprites look like the 50's Chevy. >> >> If anyone finds a picture of a Nevada Beige Bugeye can you post it. >> I want >> to drool. > > Lin, > I have found that "rare color" really means "no one liked it then, > either". > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From chriskrchr at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 13:58:46 2010 From: chriskrchr at gmail.com (Chris Karcher) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:58:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Front End Parts Message-ID: <9b5534e01001151258t6a72171bp99b627bbc92f230a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks all for the tips and assistance. Rich - I'm in the north end of Seattle. I may get in touch with you about the reamer when I get all the parts gathered up. Do you belong to a club or group here? Peter - You were right -- Moss has swivel pin kits in stock. Ed - great web site. I'm glad I'm finding out about more and more sources for parts and info. It's a wonderful community! Thanks, Chris From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 15:00:38 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:00:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B50E586.9060507@comcast.net> Bud Osbourne wrote: > (of course, I've only HEARD about trash can bargains, never taken > advantage of any such thing........). You wouldn't believe what some > morons will throw out if it doesn't sell! Oh no, I have trash can pickin competition now ;) One year I could have had most of an MGB-GT but it wouldn't fit in my Sprite for the ride home. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From sales at justbrits.com Fri Jan 15 16:08:36 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:08:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com> For the LIFE of me I can't recall..... << English Hondas yet, but I believe all of our hot rod Si's are from England. >> what was the one similar to Prelude in ?? '86 ??, Billy ?!?!? that was Made in UK ??? Lots of wood veneer seemed to be it's "Claim to Fame" ?!? From sales at justbrits.com Fri Jan 15 16:12:41 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:12:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) In-Reply-To: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B50F669.9080604@justbrits.com> << Ugly as hell but still a part of our A Series family >> Then Spridgets are the same, Lin !!!! LOL Actually there are a bunch of them in the Chi Area. And If it was closer to me......... !!!! From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 16:13:19 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com> References: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <-2369776055267837418@unknownmsgid> Stifling? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 17:08, "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" wrote: From corvallis at peoplepc.com Fri Jan 15 16:20:40 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:20:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <-2369776055267837418@unknownmsgid> References: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com> <-2369776055267837418@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1B16C265127B46A8918149DC2C83DF73@spider> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_(car) ================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:13 PM To: sales at justbrits.com >> 0 - Sales at JB Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Stifling? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 17:08, "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" wrote: _______________________________________________ From sales at justbrits.com Fri Jan 15 16:32:09 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:32:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <1B16C265127B46A8918149DC2C83DF73@spider> References: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com> <-2369776055267837418@unknownmsgid> <1B16C265127B46A8918149DC2C83DF73@spider> Message-ID: <4B50FAF9.3010701@justbrits.com> << http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_(car) ================================================= >> Dat's it. "Stirling". IIRC, Honda's only POS ! From wmgilroy at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 16:58:02 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:58:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) In-Reply-To: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441250191001151558j95690b4lb8a705569bd75e2d@mail.gmail.com> When I as in Australia this fall you could rent these in the town of Port Douglas. They had two on the main drag at a rental place. I thought it was pretty cool, my wife knew why I crossed the street. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > Ugly as hell but still a part of our A Series family : ) > Lin > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mini-Cooper-Mini-Moke-healey-100M-3000-XKE_W0QQitemZ280450142184QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item414c218fe8 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 15 17:48:50 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:48:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) In-Reply-To: <441250191001151558j95690b4lb8a705569bd75e2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> <441250191001151558j95690b4lb8a705569bd75e2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think they are cool, too. Unless Lin is saying this one is ugly because it is in pretty rough shape, I need to disagree. Peter C and I talked about them a couple years back. I would actually like to have one. Of course, if I actually had one of every car I would like to have, I would need McCormick Place to store them all. It's a sickness. Speaking of McCormick Place, anybody going to the Chicago Auto Show? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Gilroy" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:58 PM To: "Linda Grunthaner" Cc: "Spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) When I as in Australia this fall you could rent these in the town of Port Douglas. They had two on the main drag at a rental place. I thought it was pretty cool, my wife knew why I crossed the street. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > Ugly as hell but still a part of our A Series family : ) > Lin > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mini-Cooper-Mini-Moke-healey-100M-3000-XKE_W0QQitemZ280450142184QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item414c218fe8 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 15 18:00:42 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:00:42 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) In-Reply-To: <441250191001151558j95690b4lb8a705569bd75e2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com>, <441250191001151558j95690b4lb8a705569bd75e2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: To get to the other side? RD > From: wmgilroy at gmail.com > > When I as in Australia this fall you could rent these in the town of Port > Douglas. They had two on the main drag at a rental place. I thought it > was pretty cool, my wife knew why I crossed the street. From abcoz at hky.com Fri Jan 15 18:12:35 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:12:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <4B50E586.9060507@comcast.net> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> <4B50E586.9060507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8026F33A1C7E410BA945C3BCF7567338@OwnerPC> Yeah, I know. I've got some of it sitting around my garage, now (I had my p/u truck at Carlisle) ;). Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Bud Osbourne" Cc: "Linda Grunthaner" ; "spridget" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Carlisle > Bud Osbourne wrote: >> (of course, I've only HEARD about trash can bargains, never taken >> advantage of any such thing........). You wouldn't believe what some >> morons will throw out if it doesn't sell! > > Oh no, I have trash can pickin competition now ;) > One year I could have had most of an MGB-GT but it wouldn't fit in my > Sprite for the ride home. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From sales at justbrits.com Fri Jan 15 18:15:40 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:15:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) In-Reply-To: References: <205cef431001151040m3f460703j52336ee8592d0e0@mail.gmail.com> <441250191001151558j95690b4lb8a705569bd75e2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B51133C.3080208@justbrits.com> << anybody going to the Chicago Auto Show? >> On crutches ?? NOT !! And pray tell, how MUCH they gonna charge; $30.00/person ?!? Gotta pay the unions!! Oh, AND Richie & "friends" !!! From abcoz at hky.com Fri Jan 15 18:30:26 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:30:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <205cef431001151009q3a85df12o2d01ffb296a49e8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net> <205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com> <205cef431001151009q3a85df12o2d01ffb296a49e8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <965E09DC41AE4F688E41B8BFBF94C851@OwnerPC> Sounds like a bit of a dilemma, Lin. Hopefully, there's nothing you really MUST have and you can just relax and enjoy. Even though the swap meet part of the event has been hurt by eBay and the inevitable Carlisle rain, the car show part is really getting to be a nice event. Plenty to see and do yet on Sunday. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Grunthaner To: Bud Osbourne Cc: Frank ; spridget Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Carlisle Bud, Interesting point. I actually was thinking of a sick day although with the trip the very next morning there is no way I can do that. So it will have to be "slim pickins" for me ....LOL I am thinking of heading out at 5AM which should bring me in by 8. I will be sure to pick through the bones left behind... : ) Lin On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Bud Osbourne wrote: Linda, Better take a sick day on Friday and come out to Carlisle. Friday is still the best day to be at Import Carlisle, followed by Saturday morning. If the weather sucks, people tend to get pretty discouraged by Saturday afternoon and may leave early. By Sunday, the swap meet area is pretty much deserted, I'm afraid.......although there is still something to be said for early Sunday morning, catching bargains as people get ready to leave, of even from trash cans (of course, I've only HEARD about trash can bargains, never taken advantage of any such thing........). You wouldn't believe what some morons will throw out if it doesn't sell! Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "Frank" Cc: "spridget" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Carlisle Oh crap my robotics club competition is on Saturday May 22nd. but the good news is it is in PA and no overnight. Most of the good parts will be sold by Sunday but I'm going to have to pick through the bones on Sunday ; ) Lin From abcoz at hky.com Fri Jan 15 18:34:03 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:34:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Carlisle In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001151029o5d1efd94g89ed942d29c4559d@mail.gmail.com> References: <621077.49981.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4D22CD.7030207@comcast.net><205cef431001150736nb5dc445o89494c58f2a6a1e2@mail.gmail.com><205cef431001151009q3a85df12o2d01ffb296a49e8d@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001151029o5d1efd94g89ed942d29c4559d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <090B0A6AE8A941B8AA658A12F43B3DF3@OwnerPC> Oh yes it will! Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" Cc: "spridget" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Carlisle > Sneak around Frank's house late Thursday night and disable all his > sprites... If he doesn't go to Carlisle, it won't rain.... ;-) > > Cheers!! > Jim From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 18:58:23 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <616476.34990.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <195202.82655.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Edward Perez wrote: > made in China....go figure. Now, China is aiming their > sites on the commercial aviation industry. They are > developing a direct competitor to the Boeing 737. Yeah, but for now they are only putting the very best stuff on there to maximize market comfort, mostly American hardware with names like GE Aviation, Hamilton Sundstrand, and Honeywell on the box. Ron From corvallis at peoplepc.com Fri Jan 15 19:19:05 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:05 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <1B16C265127B46A8918149DC2C83DF73@spider> References: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com><-2369776055267837418@unknownmsgid> <1B16C265127B46A8918149DC2C83DF73@spider> Message-ID: <1A6E2DBE16E44FECB9BE1CF1EBB0D2D5@spider> Ok, now this is serious: traced it to a facility in Puerto Rico. http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=TopStories&id=20100115/61cbe2 06-7f48-4a17-b9ff-eb4bb166c8b2 or http://www.mcneilproductrecall.com A broadening recall now includes some batches of regular and extra-strength Tylenol children's Tylenol, eight-hour Tylenol, Tylenol arthritis, Tylenol PM, children's Motrin, Motrin IB, Benadryl Rolaids, Simply Sleep, and St. Joseph's aspirin. Caplet and geltab products sold in the Americas, the United Arab Emirates, and Fiji were recalled. Johnson & Johnson says the smell is caused by small amounts of a chemical associated with the treatment of wooden pallets. The FDA said the chemical can leach into the air, and traced it to a facility in Las Piedras, Puerto Rico. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Jan 15 19:28:34 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:28:34 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Ugly Duckling Austin Mini Moke on ebay......... link here to see : ) In-Reply-To: <441250191001151558j95690b4lb8a705569bd75e2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In the late Sixties, I was living in Boston, and I had a job doing deliveries in a hot rodded 1275 Moke. I thought it was a gas. It couldn't decide whether it was a tiny car or a big motorcycle, but it was fun. From duncan at pondhop.com Fri Jan 15 19:37:57 2010 From: duncan at pondhop.com (Duncan Sinclair) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:37:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com> References: <4B50F574.4090301@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <01d101ca9654$ebbc83e0$c3358ba0$@com> Then of course there was the Triumph Acclaim a couple of years earlier. Another BL and Honda deal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Acclaim Thanks Duncan -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sales at " Just Brits " Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:09 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? For the LIFE of me I can't recall..... << English Hondas yet, but I believe all of our hot rod Si's are from England. >> what was the one similar to Prelude in ?? '86 ??, Billy ?!?!? that was Made in UK ??? Lots of wood veneer seemed to be it's "Claim to Fame" ?!? Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as duncan at pondhop.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 20:49:34 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <195202.82655.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <195202.82655.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869750.50810.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All made in China, but assembled in the US ________________________________ From: Ron Soave To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 5:58:23 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Edward Perez wrote: > made in China....go figure. Now, China is aiming their > sites on the commercial aviation industry. They are > developing a direct competitor to the Boeing 737. Yeah, but for now they are only putting the very best stuff on there to maximize market comfort, mostly American hardware with names like GE Aviation, Hamilton Sundstrand, and Honeywell on the box. Ron Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 21:25:48 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:25:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <869750.50810.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <633523.34570.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Edward Perez wrote: > All made in China, but > assembled in the US Both, actually. Some stuff will be assembled in China of US parts (including structures), some major sub-assemblies will be US assembled with parts made in places like Suzhou (very high quality, BTW, but totally US / UK managed). Then there are joint ventures that totally blur the line of who and where. And COMAC isn't just gunning for single-aisle business. Those guys are serious. Ron From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 21:45:42 2010 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:45:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? In-Reply-To: <441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001141353o36311d53kd79172a1655ac44e@mail.gmail.com> <32045.70505.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <441250191001141428pf5cd21dw9774401eb29babfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: The best we had when I was a kid was penguins, but they were real scary! "Doobee Doobee Do..." -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 01:17:24 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:17:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 Message-ID: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> General Motors as well as Ford, Chrysler, etc were very important to us during WWII. As we know they converted their factories to build tanks, and other weapon systems for the war effort. With manufacturing capability of this nature going to China. . what if any effect might it have were we to encounter a WWIII? Would it - or would it not pose a serious difficulty for us due to the fact that the weapon systems of today are so different and advanced as compared to the way we fought before? Just a thought regarding . . Kirk From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 16 03:32:56 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:32:56 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Quality Always Bad? Message-ID: The early UK bult Honda stuff was a tie in with British Leyland. After that arrangement unravelled it was some years before Honda had their plant building 100% Hondas. In a message dated 16/01/2010 02:41:21 GMT Standard Time, duncan at pondhop.com writes: Then of course there was the Triumph Acclaim a couple of years earlier. Another BL and Honda deal. From mdrowe at optonline.net Sat Jan 16 08:04:27 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:04:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs Message-ID: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> I have what may be a new health effect of working on an LBC - three frost-bitten toes. To are just red and sore, like a burn; the third has a black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" in diameter, I don't yet know how deep. All hurt when I walk. I was using my hands as an indicator and going in periodically when they got too cold. I did not pay attention to my feet, which were numb - probably from reduced circulation owing to thick socks in street shoes. Michael Rowe Invalid From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 16 08:19:47 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:19:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> Message-ID: <6A996223DC2A46CDA648A052B02FD3EC@spider> You might Google frost-bite. Gangrene is next. ...bill in oregon ================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Rowe Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:04 AM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs I have what may be a new health effect of working on an LBC - three frost-bitten toes. To are just red and sore, like a burn; the third has a black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" in diameter, I don't yet know how deep. All hurt when I walk. I was using my hands as an indicator and going in periodically when they got too cold. I did not pay attention to my feet, which were numb - probably from reduced circulation owing to thick socks in street shoes. Michael Rowe Invalid From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 08:39:16 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:39:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> Kirk, Interesting question. There is a body of thought which holds that we will never see conventional war (like WWII) again. In fact, there has been nothing like it in 70 years since and there have been wars since 1945. My associates in several military think-tanks are now convinced that the idea of a uniformed army operating in traditional maneuvers with traditional weapons is a loosing proposition. Todays wars, and likely those of the future, are fought asymmetrically. There are some very respected strategists who believe that we are already in the midst of a global WWIII without knowing it because we are looking for a WWII type conflict rather than the global insurgent/terrorist war that we now have. If these people are correct, and I am beginning to believe they are, the most serious manufacturing threat will be from those who can turn out the most Kalashnikovs in the back room of a mud hut using a screwdriver, a hammer and a pair of pliers. Heck... the Taliban have their children reloading old Soviet 7.62 x 39 brass on their front steps using kitchen tools right now! Just saying that unless we figure out a way to stop this sort of thing, big factories are nothing more than a suicide bomb target, tanks and Hummvees are just IED targets, and you can't chase a lone terrorist sniper through buildings in Kandahar with a tank, aircraft, or Hummvee. Just my $.02 on the thought and probably worth as much. Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > General Motors as well as Ford, Chrysler, etc were very important to us > during WWII. > > As we know they converted their factories to build tanks, and other weapon > systems for the war effort. > > With manufacturing capability of this nature going to China. . what if any > effect might it have were we to encounter a WWIII? > > Would it - or would it not pose a serious difficulty for us due to the fact > that the weapon systems of today are so different and advanced as compared > to the way we fought before? > > Just a thought regarding . . > > Kirk > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 08:45:58 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:45:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001160745g8b04253qc1c67977d42704fd@mail.gmail.com> Michael... Get to a doctor, ASAP! Nothing on that car is worth your health! Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > I have what may be a new health effect of working on an LBC - three > frost-bitten toes. To are just red and sore, like a burn; the third has a > black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" in diameter, I don't yet know how > deep. All hurt when I walk. > > I was using my hands as an indicator and going in periodically when they > got too cold. I did not pay attention to my feet, which were numb - > probably from reduced circulation owing to thick socks in street shoes. > > Michael Rowe > Invalid > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sat Jan 16 09:27:44 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:27:44 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> Message-ID: Well, now you have a better understanding of what happened to my brain!! ;) Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:04:27 -0500 > > I have what may be a new health effect of working on an LBC - three frost-bitten toes. To are just red and sore, like a burn; the third has a black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" in diameter, I don't yet know how deep. All hurt when I walk. > > I was using my hands as an indicator and going in periodically when they got too cold. I did not pay attention to my feet, which were numb - probably from reduced circulation owing to thick socks in street shoes. > > Michael Rowe > Invalid From jfishbein at snet.net Sat Jan 16 09:38:11 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:38:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <400788FF-3E2A-47BA-8CA0-70C443F2D748@snet.net> I'd rather be driving my car. Jay On Jan 16, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jim Johnson wrote: > Kirk, > > Interesting question. > > There is a body of thought which holds that we will never see > conventional > war (like WWII) again. In fact, there has been nothing like it in 70 > years > since and there have been wars since 1945. My associates in several > military think-tanks are now convinced that the idea of a uniformed > army > operating in traditional maneuvers with traditional weapons is a > loosing > proposition. Todays wars, and likely those of the future, are fought > asymmetrically. There are some very respected strategists who > believe that > we are already in the midst of a global WWIII without knowing it > because we > are looking for a WWII type conflict rather than the global > insurgent/terrorist war that we now have. > > If these people are correct, and I am beginning to believe they are, > the > most serious manufacturing threat will be from those who can turn > out the > most Kalashnikovs in the back room of a mud hut using a screwdriver, a > hammer and a pair of pliers. Heck... the Taliban have their children > reloading old Soviet 7.62 x 39 brass on their front steps using > kitchen > tools right now! > > Just saying that unless we figure out a way to stop this sort of > thing, big > factories are nothing more than a suicide bomb target, tanks and > Hummvees > are just IED targets, and you can't chase a lone terrorist sniper > through > buildings in Kandahar with a tank, aircraft, or Hummvee. > > Just my $.02 on the thought and probably worth as much. > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Kirk Hargreaves > wrote: > >> General Motors as well as Ford, Chrysler, etc were very important >> to us >> during WWII. >> >> As we know they converted their factories to build tanks, and other >> weapon >> systems for the war effort. >> >> With manufacturing capability of this nature going to China. . what >> if any >> effect might it have were we to encounter a WWIII? >> >> Would it - or would it not pose a serious difficulty for us due to >> the fact >> that the weapon systems of today are so different and advanced as >> compared >> to the way we fought before? >> >> Just a thought regarding . . >> >> Kirk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man > is a > shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." > John Adams > US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as jfishbein at snet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From nases at verizon.net Sat Jan 16 10:08:22 2010 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:08:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice In-Reply-To: <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> References: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> Message-ID: Frank, Here's something for Frozen River fun. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,213971.0/topicseen.html Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ From eap2140 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 10:29:00 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice In-Reply-To: References: <7093DEF2005C465CBC45A3D7684B5298@universal1> <4B4FACBF.6010905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <88368.49222.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That thing rocks, Phil! ________________________________ From: Phil Nase To: "spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net" Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 9:08:22 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spridgets on Ice Frank, Here's something for Frozen River fun. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,213971.0/topicseen.html Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 10:55:08 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:55:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> Message-ID: <402188521001160955y4d678ef3gd6ab64b5dab9f6d8@mail.gmail.com> > I have what may be a new health effect of working on an LBC - three frost-bitten toes. To are just red and sore, like a burn; the third has a black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" in diameter, I don't yet know how deep. All hurt when I walk. That's what you get for wearing shoes! David L From 72spridget at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 10:56:34 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:56:34 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <400788FF-3E2A-47BA-8CA0-70C443F2D748@snet.net> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> <400788FF-3E2A-47BA-8CA0-70C443F2D748@snet.net> Message-ID: <402188521001160956k326688a5o628cc5c7aa599e7b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Jay Fishbein wrote: > I'd rather be driving my car. Go for it! David L From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 16 11:08:07 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:08:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001160745g8b04253qc1c67977d42704fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> <43840a7e1001160745g8b04253qc1c67977d42704fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B520087.7040102@frontiernet.net> ASAP is not soon enough! Black = gangrene. It needs to be properly cared for immediately, or you can lose your foot or even your leg. Trust me on this one. My mother was an ICU nurse, and I have experienced gangrene first hand. It is nothing to play games with. Kate Jim Johnson wrote: > Michael... Get to a doctor, ASAP! Nothing on that car is worth your > health! > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > > >> I have what may be a new health effect of working on an LBC - three >> frost-bitten toes. To are just red and sore, like a burn; the third has a >> black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" in diameter, I don't yet know >> > how > >> deep. All hurt when I walk. >> >> I was using my hands as an indicator and going in periodically when they >> got too cold. I did not pay attention to my feet, which were numb - >> probably from reduced circulation owing to thick socks in street shoes. >> >> Michael Rowe >> Invalid >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> >> > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a > shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." > John Adams > US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From frog.aye at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 11:15:12 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:15:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001161015x7d8171d9s2c5bc70963396340@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Jim Johnson wrote: > unless we figure out a way to stop this sort of thing, big > factories are nothing more than a suicide bomb target, tanks and Hummvees > are just IED targets, and you can't chase a lone terrorist sniper through > buildings in Kandahar with a tank, aircraft, or Hummvee. > > Hell, we can't even find the shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas! How do we expect to find someone in the middle of the mountains in Afganistan or Pakistan? Hal From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 16 11:30:22 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:30:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> Message-ID: <4B5205BE.5050505@justbrits.com> <<...the third has a black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" in diameter, >> Get yer butt to the Emergency Room, Michael !! That a sign of gangrene !!! ParaMedic 20+years!! Ed From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 16 11:32:52 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:32:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <400788FF-3E2A-47BA-8CA0-70C443F2D748@snet.net> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> <400788FF-3E2A-47BA-8CA0-70C443F2D748@snet.net> Message-ID: <4B520654.8000503@frontiernet.net> So would everyone assigned to Afghanistan. I can guarantee that they would rather be fighting over there than on Main Street, USA. Kate Jay Fishbein wrote: > I'd rather be driving my car. > > Jay > > On Jan 16, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jim Johnson wrote: > >> Kirk, >> >> Interesting question. >> >> There is a body of thought which holds that we will never see >> conventional >> war (like WWII) again. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sat Jan 16 11:39:34 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:39:34 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <4B5205BE.5050505@justbrits.com> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home>, <4B5205BE.5050505@justbrits.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have his phone number? Since he's not replying, he's probably not reading emails or hopefully, gone to get it checked out. I tried to look up his number online and failed. Someone give him a call and let us know? Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen ) > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:30:22 -0600 > From: sales at justbrits.com > To: mdrowe at optonline.net > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs > > <<...the third has a black/dead spot on the pad about 1/4"x3/8" > in diameter, >> > > Get yer butt to the Emergency Room, Michael !! > That a sign of gangrene !!! > > ParaMedic 20+years!! > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Sat Jan 16 11:47:39 2010 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:47:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [Fwd: Great Impression - Frank Sinatra... Homeland Security] Message-ID: <4B5209CB.2050200@justbrits.com> << "Doobee Doobee Do..." >> Odd you should mention that, Kirk !!!! !!! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Great Impression - Frank Sinatra... Homeland Security Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:24:05 -0800 From: Rick Feibusch To: Rick Fiebusch *Frank Sinatra in Song* * They should play this non stop at All Airports!!! Turn up the sound on your computer and click on the word song link below........* *Song* From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 16 12:05:49 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:05:49 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001161015x7d8171d9s2c5bc70963396340@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001161015x7d8171d9s2c5bc70963396340@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B520E0D.4020302@frontiernet.net> SEALs. But in order for them to be effective, we need to lose the restrictions they have been forced to operate under. They can't be expected to do what they have been trained for if they are subject to life in Portsmouth Naval Prison should there be any unintentional casualties as a result of their mission. If you don't like SEALs, find half a dozen 50 - 70 year old Apaches who were raised in the Old Ways. No finer guerrilla warfare specialists have ever been born. Kate >> >> Hell, we can't even find the shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas! How do >> > we expect to find someone in the middle of the mountains in Afganistan or > Pakistan? > > Hal > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 12:11:06 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:11:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <402188521001160956k326688a5o628cc5c7aa599e7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> <400788FF-3E2A-47BA-8CA0-70C443F2D748@snet.net> <402188521001160956k326688a5o628cc5c7aa599e7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Martha and I are taking the 68 out for a spin, I may even put the top down to enjoy the sun for a while.. Brad On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Jay Fishbein wrote: >> I'd rather be driving my car. > > Go for it! > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 16 13:13:26 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:13:26 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 Message-ID: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> I'd just like to say a big Hi to all the US CIA/FBI agents that are now reading this thread and to assure that we are really only car nuts... Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 16/01/2010 18:16:44 GMT Standard Time, frog.aye at gmail.com writes: How do we expect to find someone in the middle of the mountains in Afganistan or Pakistan? Hal From frog.aye at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:31:24 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:31:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> References: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001161231l4f5595abgc000113ca1616a4@mail.gmail.com> Hey, If it's got my name on it they're already reading it. I went to college in the late 60s! Hal On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:13 PM, wrote: > I'd just like to say a big Hi to all the US CIA/FBI agents that are now > reading this thread and to assure that we are really only car nuts... > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 16/01/2010 18:16:44 GMT Standard Time, > frog.aye at gmail.com writes: > > How do > we expect to find someone in the middle of the mountains in Afganistan or > Pakistan? > > Hal From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 16 13:32:51 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:32:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> References: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B522273.4050102@frontiernet.net> I don't think the Fumbling Bumbling Idiots have jurisdiction in the UK, and the CIA has as many restrictions on their activity as the Military. I would be inclined to think Interpol, which YO has planned to make his own internal secret police force. Kate weslakemonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > I'd just like to say a big Hi to all the US CIA/FBI agents that are now > reading this thread and to assure that we are really only car nuts... > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 16/01/2010 18:16:44 GMT Standard Time, > frog.aye at gmail.com writes: > > How do > we expect to find someone in the middle of the mountains in Afganistan or > Pakistan? > > Hal > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 16 13:47:41 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:47:41 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001161231l4f5595abgc000113ca1616a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> <4333f8141001161231l4f5595abgc000113ca1616a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5225ED.4080705@frontiernet.net> I was thoroughly investigated in the early 60s when I subscribed to the Russian version of USSR magazine. na zdrovya, tovarischi. Kate Hal Faulkner wrote: > Hey, > If it's got my name on it they're already reading it. I went to college in > the late 60s! > Hal > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:13 PM, wrote: > > >> I'd just like to say a big Hi to all the US CIA/FBI agents that are now >> reading this thread and to assure that we are really only car nuts... >> >> Weslake-Monza 1330 >> >> In a message dated 16/01/2010 18:16:44 GMT Standard Time, >> frog.aye at gmail.com writes: >> >> How do >> we expect to find someone in the middle of the mountains in Afganistan or >> Pakistan? >> >> Hal >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From PAsgeirsson at att.net Sat Jan 16 13:13:18 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:13:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 References: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com><4333f8141001161231l4f5595abgc000113ca1616a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B5225ED.4080705@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <002701ca96e8$594a48a0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> That why you moved to the edge of civilization? Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bales" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 > I was thoroughly investigated in the early 60s when I subscribed to the > Russian version of USSR magazine. na zdrovya, tovarischi. > > Kate From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 16 14:13:21 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:13:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> References: <9953.14974a60.388377e6@aol.com> Message-ID: More likely the NSA. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:13 PM To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 I'd just like to say a big Hi to all the US CIA/FBI agents that are now reading this thread and to assure that we are really only car nuts... Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 16/01/2010 18:16:44 GMT Standard Time, frog.aye at gmail.com writes: How do we expect to find someone in the middle of the mountains in Afganistan or Pakistan? Hal Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 14:26:43 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:26:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] War Message-ID: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> What blew my mind was when I saw the controllers for the drones sitting in Nevada in front of big screens. Could we end up fighting in video game format? Kirk From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 16 14:37:16 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:37:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] War In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54D98F3B1560437ABBBCA801F553E6D5@spider> Yes; we have a whole generation of kids who are good at it. The distance also makes it easier to pull the trigger I'm told. "Just following orders." ...bill in oregon ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Hargreaves Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:27 PM To: bmwwxman at gmail.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] War What blew my mind was when I saw the controllers for the drones sitting in Nevada in front of big screens. Could we end up fighting in video game format? Kirk From mdrowe at optonline.net Sat Jan 16 14:54:32 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:54:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Not dead yet In-Reply-To: References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> <4B5205BE.5050505@justbrits.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for your concern. I just talked with our older daughter, who was studying with another 4th year medical student when I called, and they agreed from my description that I should have someone look at it, but that it is not (yet) a desperate emergency. I will go to a walk-in clinic tomorrow morning unless I start having any indications of infection tonight. She was also incredulous that I was dumb enough to get frostbite working on an engine in my shop. Sprigiteers must be whackier than she thought. Michael Rowe From mdrowe at optonline.net Sat Jan 16 15:12:45 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:12:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear engine plate Message-ID: <871FD352295645A4BD05B87FA3BDEBC5@Home> My 1275 rear engine plate was cracked, but I have another in my BE kit. Turns out that the bolt holes appear to line up properly, but the internal holes do not, and there are some differences in the outer profile with some extra small bolt holes. Also, it is about 0.02" thinner. Are the 948 plates different from the 1275 plates? Would anyone who thinks they might be able to identify this plate please contact me off-list for pictures? Thanks, Michael Rowe From PAsgeirsson at att.net Sat Jan 16 14:40:17 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:40:17 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear engine plate References: <871FD352295645A4BD05B87FA3BDEBC5@Home> Message-ID: <004e01ca96f4$7f8b4260$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi Michael, The original 948 back plate is a stamped steel one very unlike the ground cast iron one from a 1098/1275 type. That slight difference in thickness of the two plates you have indicates you might have two 1098 or 1275 type of plates. Each of those were cast iron ones, ground to sorta the same thickness. I'm not sure of the non same positioned holes you mention. Where are they located? Keep in mind there are likely a lot of guys in the past playing mix and "it'll do" long before us playing with these parts! Later, Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Rear engine plate > My 1275 rear engine plate was cracked, but I have another in my BE kit. Turns out that the bolt holes appear to line up properly, but the internal holes do not, and there are some differences in the outer profile with some extra small bolt holes. Also, it is about 0.02" thinner. Are the 948 plates different from the 1275 plates? Would anyone who thinks they might be able to identify this plate please contact me off-list for pictures? > > Thanks, > Michael Rowe > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 16 15:40:12 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:40:12 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 Message-ID: Lucky you! My local charismatic church got investigated thanks to my having attended it while enlisted in the RAF. In a message dated 16/01/2010 20:48:14 GMT Standard Time, kgb at frontiernet.net writes: I was thoroughly investigated in the early 60s when I subscribed to the Russian version of USSR magazine. na zdrovya, tovarischi. Kate From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 16 15:41:43 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:41:43 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Rear engine plate Message-ID: Yes, details in all the best tuning books.... In a message dated 16/01/2010 22:19:29 GMT Standard Time, mdrowe at optonline.net writes: Are the 948 plates different from the 1275 plates? From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 16:57:47 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:57:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] IDMST(no China content) Message-ID: <621941.75754.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's "I drove my Sprite today". This is sort of a big deal because I'm not home in IL, but in Florida for a quick 3 day trip with my boys. Their school semester ended on Thursday and flights were $59 each way(!). The Sprite (sorry, I mean Midget) needed a battery, as it only gets used on vacations. I was not going to bother when it would not hold a charge yesterday and we won;t be back til late summer, but my son Bobby absolutely would not hear of it. New battery, fired on the second crank after 6 months of sitting, settled into that stock 1275 idle that I love. What a car. Ron From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 16 17:25:44 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:25:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear engine plate In-Reply-To: <871FD352295645A4BD05B87FA3BDEBC5@Home> References: <871FD352295645A4BD05B87FA3BDEBC5@Home> Message-ID: <4B525908.9000404@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: > Are the 948 plates different from the 1275 plates? 948 plates are steel with a rolled edge, 1098 & 1275 plates are sort of a cast with no rolled edge and they do crack. If the holes are not quite the same, you probably have a 1.75 crank 1098 plate and a 2" crank 1098/1275 plate. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Sat Jan 16 17:38:52 2010 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:38:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [Fwd: Great Impression - Frank Sinatra... In-Reply-To: <4B5209CB.2050200@justbrits.com> References: <4B5209CB.2050200@justbrits.com> Message-ID: It was a Bud Ice commercial with penguins. I know its not your brand... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWtq-_VYk8 Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shop at " Just Brits " Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:48 PM To: 4 - Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] [Fwd: Great Impression - Frank Sinatra... << "Doobee Doobee Do..." >> Odd you should mention that, Kirk !!!! !!! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Great Impression - Frank Sinatra... Homeland Security Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:24:05 -0800 From: Rick Feibusch To: Rick Fiebusch *Frank Sinatra in Song* * They should play this non stop at All Airports!!! Turn up the sound on your computer and click on the word song link below........* *Song* _______________________________________________ From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 16 18:54:23 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:54:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Delphi in China - World War 3 In-Reply-To: <4B520E0D.4020302@frontiernet.net> References: <37dc82d41001160017t2b5458c3h1c97ed49f473959c@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e1001160739m28aeee09n91457c5bb0339ad8@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8141001161015x7d8171d9s2c5bc70963396340@mail.gmail.com> <4B520E0D.4020302@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4B526DCF.9060101@justbrits.com> The SAD part Kate.... << SEALs. But in order for them to be effective, we need to lose the restrictions they have been forced to operate under. >> THAT needs to apply to our regular Law Enforcement Officers as well !!! <> AMEN !!!! There just is NOT enough money to make me want to even consider being a cop THESE days !! From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 16 18:56:18 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:56:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <402188521001160955y4d678ef3gd6ab64b5dab9f6d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> <402188521001160955y4d678ef3gd6ab64b5dab9f6d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B526E42.3020807@justbrits.com> << That's what you get for wearing shoes! David L >> I woulda BET serious change that we would HAVE heard THAT from David L. !!!! LOL From nases at verizon.net Sat Jan 16 19:13:28 2010 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day Message-ID: The weather was so great today Jane and I took the yellow bugeye out for a short ride through my favorite esses. We rode about 10 miles before we got to the turns, a series of quick turns up hill. When we got there we caught a slower vehicle and I had to back off on a slight right hander when the engine revs went way up. I downshifted and the same thing happened so I got off on the shoulder. The left rear wheel was pulled out about 5 inches. Wheel, brake drum, hub and all. We got a ride home on a rollback. I pulled the whole thing right out of the diff. The hub nut had backed off!! It was loose and rattling around inside. I've never had the axles or hubs off of this car in the 6 years I've had it. So what would cause this to happen? The nut and tabbed washer look fine and so do the threads on the axle housing. I usually drive this car pretty hard so it could have been a lot worse, we were lucky to be going pretty slow. Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ From froggi60 at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 19:39:25 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:39:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Health effects of LBCs In-Reply-To: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> References: <9A6F27A83D8B4BC68B68C23A05084D7E@Home> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001161839w6d1b587g51042d123df27f55@mail.gmail.com> Michael, Hey Bro, diss not Waikiki....you get your akoli to da doc...NOW! Herb From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sat Jan 16 20:09:58 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:09:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] IDMST(no China content) In-Reply-To: <621941.75754.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <621941.75754.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An Optima battery can sit for 6 months to a year and hold a good charge, but if *my* son would buy a new battery whenever I needed one, well... Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > That's "I drove my Sprite today". This is sort of a big deal because I'm > not home in IL, but in Florida for a quick 3 day trip with my boys. Their > school semester ended on Thursday and flights were $59 each way(!). The > Sprite (sorry, I mean Midget) needed a battery, as it only gets used on > vacations. I was not going to bother when it would not hold a charge > yesterday and we won;t be back til late summer, but my son Bobby absolutely > would not hear of it. New battery, fired on the second crank after 6 months > of sitting, settled into that stock 1275 idle that I love. What a car. > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From froggi60 at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 20:25:26 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:25:26 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] IDMST(no China content) In-Reply-To: References: <621941.75754.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001161925j6bd1a722pcc717119af7c0a36@mail.gmail.com> Wal-Mart sells 'battery-tender' type charges for $19.95. I have 'em on bikes & cars. Work great. Herb From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 16 20:46:01 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] IDMST(no China content) In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b11001161925j6bd1a722pcc717119af7c0a36@mail.gmail.com> References: <621941.75754.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2ad6c6b11001161925j6bd1a722pcc717119af7c0a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5287F9.2010707@comcast.net> WFO Herb wrote: > Wal-Mart sells 'battery-tender' type charges for $19.95. I have 'em on > bikes & cars. Work great. > Herb > > > How can you have "no china content" and Wal-Mart in the same message? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 16 20:48:11 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:48:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B52887B.9020408@comcast.net> Phil Nase wrote: > The nut and tabbed washer look fine and so > do the threads on the axle housing. > > Phil The tabbed washer should have a bend over tab on it to keep it in place. OR the left hub has been replaced with a right hub. The nut should be left hand thread so it does no "undo" when going forward. If the hub was changed, or the left/right hubs switched at some time, this will cause your problem. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From snhochberg at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 21:34:49 2010 From: snhochberg at gmail.com (Sam Hochberg) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:34:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Spread at Jalopnik.com Message-ID: <00cd01ca972e$687e06e0$397a14a0$@com> Nice picture spread on a '78 Midget the other day at jalopnik.com: http://jalopnik.com/5447881/1978-mg-midget Even if you're not interested in the spridget, check out the site.I've only recently discovered it myself. F'rinstance, here's another great recent post on the 24 Hours of LeMons: http://jalopnik.com/5448586/cast-your-votes-for-the-24-hours-of-lemons-wall- of-blame Sam Hochberg Mostly Lurker Obviously Affected By Cabin Fever and Sprite Withdrawal Symptoms Chicagoland (Hibernating) '68 Mk IV Sprite http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl20.jpg http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl21.jpg http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl22.jpg http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl23.jpg From snhochberg at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 21:34:55 2010 From: snhochberg at gmail.com (Sam Hochberg) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:34:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] '73 Midget For Sale Message-ID: <00d201ca972e$6c2f00f0$448d02d0$@com> Friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend is selling a 73 Midget and I've placed an ad for him at my http://scscc.net website - I have no financial interest but I have seen the car at last September's British Car Union show at Oakton College in Des Plaines IL. - and it does look mighty nice. All the contact info, pics, etc., is on this page: http://scscc.net/73mg/ Again, NFI, just trying to help get the word out. Sam Hochberg Mostly Lurker Obviously Affected By Cabin Fever and Sprite Withdrawal Symptoms Chicagoland (Hibernating) '68 Mk IV Sprite http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl20.jpg http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl21.jpg http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl22.jpg http://members.tripod.com/PREV_PDLJMPR/despl23.jpg From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sat Jan 16 22:30:25 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:30:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] IDMST(no China content) In-Reply-To: <4B5287F9.2010707@comcast.net> References: <621941.75754.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2ad6c6b11001161925j6bd1a722pcc717119af7c0a36@mail.gmail.com> <4B5287F9.2010707@comcast.net> Message-ID: I keep mine charged with a SureCharge (made in the good ol' USA). Check it out here: http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/home.php Mike MacLean On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Frank wrote: > WFO Herb wrote: > >> Wal-Mart sells 'battery-tender' type charges for $19.95. I have 'em on >> bikes & cars. Work great. >> Herb >> >> >> >> > How can you have "no china content" and Wal-Mart in the same message? > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Jan 17 07:03:54 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:03:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Cool Car Graveyard looks like a dead highway. Picts link. In-Reply-To: <205cef431001140803h5889d327l517a18d6912825ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001140803h5889d327l517a18d6912825ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9864BC8E-210A-4AAE-8546-FD1FA1B98700@phillymgclub.com> Looks like a set from a disaster movie. On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > List, > Cool car graveyard I think somewhere in Europe. Check it out. > http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=46061 > Lin > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a parked car. From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Jan 17 07:15:09 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well the Mayans got it wrong. According to Harold Campbell May (or Oct) 12, 2011 is the end. http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21/index.html Might not have to pay off my house after all!! Larry On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: >> according to the Mayan calendar? > If the Mayans were so smart, why didn't they know they'd be extinct by then, > or if they did know, why did their calendar keep going? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Jan 17 08:57:29 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:57:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: <441250191001141700j505f1fa4i428d1f83730acf1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> <0AD3296C4CF24895B8F086ECDCC50DD7@psych.washington.edu> <441250191001141700j505f1fa4i428d1f83730acf1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F7EDE22-0F21-4092-BFE2-FABF014BD823@phillymgclub.com> Bill, you are too far north, but I bet there's a few fellas in Sn Fran that will ream your bushings for nuttin' Anon On Jan 14, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > Any machine shop should be able to ream your bushings at a reasonable price. > > -g > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Richard Ball wrote: > >> Chris >> >> While I don't have a source for your parts, there are several of us up >> here, and I do believe we have access to the king pin bushing reamer if it >> comes to that. >> >> Where in the Pacific NW are you? >> >> Rich Ball >> '76 Midget >> Everett, WA >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Karcher" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:13 PM >> Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts >> >> >> Our father/son Midget project has been languishing for quite a while >>> now, >>> partly because it's not much fun to work outside in the Pacific NW this >>> time >>> of year, and partly because we're waiting on parts. We've ordered a >>> "major >>> suspension kit" from Moss and it's been back ordered for going on 3 months >>> now. I've talked to them a couple of times and keep getting answers like >>> "new supplier", "first part of December", "first part of January", "soon" >>> etc. Victoria British has discontinued their kit but when they dug a >>> little >>> deeper, told me it's TBA. I even wrote one of the shops in the UK that >>> sells reconditioned stub axle assemblies but they told me pretty much the >>> same thing -- working on a new supplier. Too bad because going that route >>> would save the hassle of getting the new bushings reamed to size. >>> >>> Does anyone know what's actually going on with these parts or perhaps know >>> of a source? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >>> >>> '74 Midget >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu >>> >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. Dorothy Parker From wmgilroy at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 11:31:39 2010 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:31:39 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Front end parts In-Reply-To: <6F7EDE22-0F21-4092-BFE2-FABF014BD823@phillymgclub.com> References: <9b5534e01001141613u42570e55g14ad9e1d8a39a43@mail.gmail.com> <0AD3296C4CF24895B8F086ECDCC50DD7@psych.washington.edu> <441250191001141700j505f1fa4i428d1f83730acf1a@mail.gmail.com> <6F7EDE22-0F21-4092-BFE2-FABF014BD823@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: <441250191001171031u22fd082ejf44d3923a3236727@mail.gmail.com> So thats what you call it :-) On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Larry Macy wrote: > Bill, you are too far north, but I bet there's a few fellas in Sn Fran that > will ream your bushings for nuttin' > > Anon > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > > Any machine shop should be able to ream your bushings at a reasonable > price. > > -g From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sun Jan 17 11:49:45 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:49:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] any listers in the MARTHASVILLE Missouri area Message-ID: <32FC27D136954796A3EC74BCF5BB8236@leovs802bt6yj7> anyone on the lists live near MARTHASVILLE Missouri area? Need something looked at for a purchase. would compensate for your time. shouldnt take longer than a few minutes to give me a second opinion on condition of what i am wanting. thanks Leo From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 17 12:13:48 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:13:48 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day Message-ID: <19e40.492e02ff.3884bb6c@aol.com> That's the problem! In a message dated 17/01/2010 02:15:10 GMT Standard Time, nases at verizon.net writes: tabbed washer From pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com Sun Jan 17 13:20:45 2010 From: pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com (Gerard Chateauvieux) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil, This happened to a friend of mine in his Morris Minor van. Same side too. This is not a vehicle that is driven hard, but the problem turned out to be a stripped hub nut. It was replaced with a good one and the problem has not repeated itself. I can't say for sure, but I suspect the problem might have been exacerbated by the nut not being made tight enough. Gerard On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:00 AM, spridgets-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:13:28 -0500 > From: Phil Nase > Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day > To: "spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The weather was so great today Jane and I took the yellow bugeye > out for a > short ride through my favorite esses. > > We rode about 10 miles before we got to the turns, a series of > quick turns up > hill. When we got there we caught a slower vehicle and I had to > back off on a > slight right hander when the engine revs went way up. I > downshifted and the > same thing happened so I got off on the shoulder. > > The left rear wheel was pulled out about 5 inches. Wheel, brake > drum, hub and > all. We got a ride home on a rollback. I pulled the whole thing > right out of > the diff. > > The hub nut had backed off!! It was loose and rattling around > inside. I've > never had the axles or hubs off of this car in the 6 years I've had > it. So > what would cause this to happen? The nut and tabbed washer look > fine and so > do the threads on the axle housing. > > I usually drive this car pretty hard so it could have been a lot > worse, we > were lucky to be going pretty slow. > > Phil Nase > Quakertown, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Jan 17 15:15:15 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:15:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] War In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <527EC40E-DB7D-4D59-9E44-E016497E608A@phillymgclub.com> Don't care, Just want the screens!! Larry On Jan 16, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > What blew my mind was when I saw the controllers for the drones sitting in > Nevada in front of big screens. Could we end up fighting in video game > format? > > Kirk > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 17 16:50:16 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:50:16 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day Message-ID: <1fffd.358566de.3884fc38@aol.com> Or the long term effect of using a locking tab? In a message dated 17/01/2010 20:32:08 GMT Standard Time, pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com writes: suspect the problem might have been exacerbated by the nut not being made tight enough. From sales at justbrits.com Sun Jan 17 18:04:17 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:04:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] War In-Reply-To: <527EC40E-DB7D-4D59-9E44-E016497E608A@phillymgclub.com> References: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> <527EC40E-DB7D-4D59-9E44-E016497E608A@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: <4B53B391.20708@justbrits.com> << Don't care, Just want the screens!! >> I am NOT a HOG like you Larry, TWO would be just fine for me !!!!! From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 18:32:50 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:32:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] War In-Reply-To: <4B53B391.20708@justbrits.com> References: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> <527EC40E-DB7D-4D59-9E44-E016497E608A@phillymgclub.com> <4B53B391.20708@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <402188521001171732o6f50ac4eqe344ab337f5a8896@mail.gmail.com> > I am NOT a HOG like you Larry, TWO would be > just fine for me !!!!! Once you get used to four, you can't go back ;-) David L From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Jan 17 20:53:47 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:53:47 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 1940 video on Autolite (23 min long) Message-ID: <4B53DB4B.7060105@comcast.net> I wonder how long it took to do the special effects on the parade at the end? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCe-HG4MoRg&feature=related From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 22:22:29 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:22:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] War In-Reply-To: <402188521001171732o6f50ac4eqe344ab337f5a8896@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001161326j1e628fdj79248917cd1460d5@mail.gmail.com> <527EC40E-DB7D-4D59-9E44-E016497E608A@phillymgclub.com> <4B53B391.20708@justbrits.com> <402188521001171732o6f50ac4eqe344ab337f5a8896@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001172122w6a1a94a1k79136ef0e69c18cb@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:32 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am NOT a HOG like you Larry, TWO would be > > just fine for me !!!!! > > Once you get used to four, you can't go back ;-) > David L > OR.... you could all just go and get your glasses prescription updated.... ;-) -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From abcoz at hky.com Mon Jan 18 07:14:01 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] damn thing actually works........ Message-ID: <4EC5A2AA0D1C45BC8310C92D0B1747D2@OwnerPC> Just wanted to let you guys know that my new, made in Taiwan Chicago Pneumatic model 9600 "stall saw" actually works pretty well and DID NOT STALL in over 8' of cutting 20 ga mild steel. Of course, there were no curves to follow or double thickness to cut.....yet. That's a huge improvement over the performance of the Ingersoll-Rand tool it replaces (the I-R had a stalling problem from new, through a couple of warranty rebuilds before I had them over-bore it, which helped). The tool the I-R unit replaced also had the same stalling characteristics. So, we'll see how this C-P unit performs and holds up, as I've got a lot of sheet metal work to do this winter....It'll get a GOOD work-out. Bud Osbourne From fastvee at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 07:17:49 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:17:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Not dead yet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <301887.3486.qm@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Michael, I hope you're felling better. It took me almost a week to recover from a similar injury, i.e. frostbitten fingers on the hand that was holding an air grinder. I went to an emergency medical clinic to have them checked out to make sure there wasn't lasting damage. The nerves in those fingers are still recovering from a previous injury and prevented me from knowing I was hurting myself. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Michael Rowe wrote: From: Michael Rowe Subject: [Spridgets] Not dead yet To: "Spridgets" Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 4:54 PM Hi all, Thanks for your concern. I just talked with our older daughter, who was studying with another 4th year medical student when I called, and they agreed from my description that I should have someone look at it, but that it is not (yet) a desperate emergency. I will go to a walk-in clinic tomorrow morning unless I start having any indications of infection tonight. She was also incredulous that I was dumb enough to get frostbite working on an engine in my shop. Sprigiteers must be whackier than she thought. Michael Rowe Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lotuspilot at verizon.net Mon Jan 18 07:27:04 2010 From: lotuspilot at verizon.net (lotuspilot at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:27:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding a 1275 Message-ID: <414613347.359613.1263824824240.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> /cXpZmq: Permission denied From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 18 07:34:42 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:34:42 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Huh?? "7 BCThe year Jesus Christ was born" Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada Subject: Re: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com Well the Mayans got it wrong. According to Harold Campbell May (or Oct) 12, 2011 is the end. http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21/index.html Might not have to pay off my house after all!! Larry On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: according to the Mayan calendar? If the Mayans were so smart, why didn't they know they'd be extinct by then, or if they did know, why did their calendar keep going? Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams From fastvee at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 07:38:07 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:38:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <222559.72087.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ah, a stroke of luck Phil! In retorspect, did you have any indications that something might not be right? I know many guys don't like using the lock tab and will just use red locktite, but I have always used both. I believe that Gerard nailed it, and that the nut probably wasn't tight enough. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Phil Nase wrote: From: Phil Nase Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day To: "spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net" Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 9:13 PM The weather was so great today Jane and I took the yellow bugeye out for a short ride through my favorite esses. We rode about 10 miles before we got to the turns, a series of quick turns up hill. When we got there we caught a slower vehicle and I had to back off on a slight right hander when the engine revs went way up. I downshifted and the same thing happened so I got off on the shoulder. The left rear wheel was pulled out about 5 inches. Wheel, brake drum, hub and all. We got a ride home on a rollback. I pulled the whole thing right out of the diff. The hub nut had backed off!! It was loose and rattling around inside. I've never had the axles or hubs off of this car in the 6 years I've had it. So what would cause this to happen? The nut and tabbed washer look fine and so do the threads on the axle housing. I usually drive this car pretty hard so it could have been a lot worse, we were lucky to be going pretty slow. Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From sales at justbrits.com Mon Jan 18 12:31:19 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:31:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day In-Reply-To: <222559.72087.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <222559.72087.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B54B707.7010105@justbrits.com> << but I have always used both. >> Ditto John, DITTO !!! An ounce of prevention will always keep you safer !! Ed From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Jan 18 12:59:46 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:59:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think best guesses put it somewhere between 4 BC and 7 BC. I'd put it around April 15th - 6 BC, but that's just my guess. > Huh?? > > > > "7 BCThe year Jesus Christ was born" From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:26:18 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:26:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402188521001181226w55354c6dj9bc9055e95137cf3@mail.gmail.com> > I think best guesses put it somewhere between 4 BC and 7 BC. I'd put it > around April 15th - 6 BC, but that's just my guess. "And a call went forth from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed." Yup, sounds like April 15th to me... David L From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:39:00 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:39:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001181239j36bd464dn982d5f90290e7bc9@mail.gmail.com> So we should have Christmas on tax day instead of December 25th? That's an intriguing thought, Billy. Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > I think best guesses put it somewhere between 4 BC and 7 BC. I'd put it > around April 15th - 6 BC, but that's just my guess. > > Huh?? > > > > > > > > "7 BC The year Jesus Christ was born" From kk7ss at verizon.net Mon Jan 18 13:59:28 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:59:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001181239j36bd464dn982d5f90290e7bc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001181239j36bd464dn982d5f90290e7bc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <950059.75565.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ewes were dropping lambs and snow was on the ground. Sounds like early spring in the eastern Mediterranean to me... ;-) Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > I think best guesses put it somewhere between 4 BC and 7 BC. I'd put it > around April 15th - 6 BC, but that's just my guess. From theshoe5 at comcast.net Mon Jan 18 14:22:28 2010 From: theshoe5 at comcast.net (Alan) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Heat wave in NJ Message-ID: <18245C793F604C3DB37DFE6A43D4BCB2@home> Today it had to be at least 55 here in NJ. So I woke the Sprite from it's winters nap and went for a nice drive. Some fresh gas in the tank and it ran great. Frank, hope you had the opportunity to do the same. Even had some time to start up the other LBC, a Triumph TR6. That one was not as willing as the Sprite and was running rough. The Sprite always seems to be ready to go no matter how long it sits unused. I did put the snow blower back in the shed so next week we will have two feet of snow! Alan '59 Sprite From corvallis at peoplepc.com Mon Jan 18 14:24:44 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:24:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <950059.75565.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <43840a7e1001181239j36bd464dn982d5f90290e7bc9@mail.gmail.com> <950059.75565.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D62AA5643BA425CA260D955FF4369F6@spider> Sounds like lambing time at Oregon State Eweniversity ...right now! ...bill in Corvallis ========================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVID GROPPER Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Ewes were dropping lambs and snow was on the ground. Sounds like early spring in the eastern Mediterranean to me... ;-) Dave G. ================================================== ----- Original Message ---- On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > I think best guesses put it somewhere between 4 BC and 7 BC. I'd put it > around April 15th - 6 BC, but that's just my guess. From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:26:45 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:26:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today In-Reply-To: <950059.75565.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <43840a7e1001181239j36bd464dn982d5f90290e7bc9@mail.gmail.com> <950059.75565.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001181326g36251496k98f3af66f3233dc4@mail.gmail.com> > Ewes were dropping lambs and snow was on the ground. > Sounds like early spring in the eastern Mediterranean to me... ;-) But did you remember to factor in global warming? David L From twobees at sprynet.com Mon Jan 18 14:55:16 2010 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:55:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Had an OSHIT day Message-ID: <005c01ca9888$ebe443e0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Had a similar situation when driving a '64 Corvair Spyder. Was driving up-hill on a local highway when rpms went way up. Axle bearing was a press fit. Jacked up left rear, shoved axle back in real hard & made it home. Norm From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Jan 18 15:14:22 2010 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:14:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 1940 video on Autolite (23 min long) In-Reply-To: <4B53DB4B.7060105@comcast.net> References: <4B53DB4B.7060105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B54DD3E.9050509@wi.net> Wow!! If that was done like clay-mation, each item individually posed, that took a hell of a long time! How'd they get those spark plugs to stand up? I couldn't tell if they had bases or not. Very interesting to see how the dynamos and starters were made. Thanks for finding that Frank! Dave W. Frank wrote: > I wonder how long it took to do the special effects on the parade at > the end? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCe-HG4MoRg&feature=related From kk7ss at verizon.net Mon Jan 18 16:13:48 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:13:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] 1940 video on Autolite (23 min long) In-Reply-To: <4B54DD3E.9050509@wi.net> References: <4B53DB4B.7060105@comcast.net> <4B54DD3E.9050509@wi.net> Message-ID: <994367.66411.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Did anyone notice the bandaids on the fingers of the guy assembling the starter rotors? (at about 8:00 minutes?) No OSHA back then ! Dave G. From sales at justbrits.com Mon Jan 18 18:40:56 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:40:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Heat wave in NJ In-Reply-To: <18245C793F604C3DB37DFE6A43D4BCB2@home> References: <18245C793F604C3DB37DFE6A43D4BCB2@home> Message-ID: <4B550DA8.8020700@justbrits.com> A] JEALOUS of "heat wave", Alan !!!! B] << ....a Triumph TR6. >> FAR too EASY to tell you WHY the diff in "behavior" !!! SU = Sprite. Z.S = TR6 End of story !!!! Ed From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 19 11:46:03 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:46:03 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: replacing my Ingersol-Rand "stall saw" today Message-ID: Jesus born and created years AD in either September or January according to whichever argument sways you. In a message dated 18/01/2010 21:22:35 GMT Standard Time, kk7ss at verizon.net writes: Ewes were dropping lambs and snow was on the ground. Sounds like early spring in the eastern Mediterranean to me... ;-) Dave G. From nases at verizon.net Tue Jan 19 12:21:09 2010 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pics of my wide trackin Sprite Message-ID: <07537B06-32C9-438B-9BD4-062D9DA71BCF@verizon.net> http://gallery.me.com/pnase#100057 Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ From froggi60 at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 14:09:22 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:09:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Pics of my wide trackin Sprite In-Reply-To: <07537B06-32C9-438B-9BD4-062D9DA71BCF@verizon.net> References: <07537B06-32C9-438B-9BD4-062D9DA71BCF@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001191309x5a717030ya1ca0fff909305d2@mail.gmail.com> I don't understand.... Why "wide track" on only one side? Use the car for dirt-track racing??? ;-) Probably a good thing you were on a windy back road driving slow, right!?! Herb From eap2140 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 14:38:13 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:38:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Pics of my wide trackin Sprite In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b11001191309x5a717030ya1ca0fff909305d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <07537B06-32C9-438B-9BD4-062D9DA71BCF@verizon.net> <2ad6c6b11001191309x5a717030ya1ca0fff909305d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <945213.83938.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had this happen on my '72 Jeepster. Picture going 70mph and losing a 1.5" diameter axle, ~30" long, connected to 33x12 tire! The whole thing bounced across 4 lanes of traffic on 405 and didn't hit anyone! Lucky!. I had the top off at the time and the sparks from the backing plate were flying against the back of my head. Looked like the 4th of July in my Jeep. They had to close the freeway to remove me. No one hurt, plus.... I got to hear my situation announced on the traffic report! Turns out, the bearings are pressed on the axle and that's what holds it all in. When the bearing goes, so does your axle. I think they market a kit for the Dana axles to correct it. Glad your situation worked out safely, Phil! You might want to check that axle to make sure it didn't get bent. Mine did. ________________________________ From: WFO Herb To: Phil Nase Cc: "spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net" Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 1:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pics of my wide trackin Sprite I don't understand.... Why "wide track" on only one side? Use the car for dirt-track racing??? ;-) Probably a good thing you were on a windy back road driving slow, right!?! Herb Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From haynes386 at netzero.net Tue Jan 19 14:52:42 2010 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:52:42 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Morris 'Low Light" FS Message-ID: <20100119.145242.1608.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Just ran across this locally (to me) http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1549610358.html '48 morris low light -he claims there are only three in the states, I can check it out if anyone is VERY interested-but at $10K, I'm thinking not. Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=wbPzmtoH70N5fC2fytPqlwAAJz5X oFCg_GoYpsOBXA-_r2I8AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 19 15:03:19 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 head & valves Message-ID: It turns out that my 12g1316 head has 1.3" inlet valves, which is bigger than I thought. Is moving to 1.4" intake valves worth the expense for a street car? There is very little space for them. How about 1.4" Rimflo valves ($$$!)? The air injection ports are blocked, but each has a fair-sized nipple or something extending well into the exhaust port in the worst possible place. Is this normal, or has something been shoved in there by the plug? Michael Rowe '74 Midget "60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From eap2140 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 15:21:53 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] National craigslist search in Google - Lots of LBC content! Message-ID: <570230.56932.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone ever find a way to search nationally on craigslist? I tend to poke around the list here in the NW. I found a way to search on a larger scale.... Just type this in the Google search window. You'll get all the cars available on craigslist everywhere.... MG Midget site:craigslist.org From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 15:31:21 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:31:21 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 head & valves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4333f8141001191431s5b179a3cscd39919d80505c50@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > > The air injection ports are blocked, but each has a fair-sized nipple or > something extending well into the exhaust port in the worst possible place. > Is this normal, or has something been shoved in there by the plug? > Michael, You can remove these nipples by first taking out the plugs. What you might want to consider is enlarging the exhaust valves (per Vizard) which can gain some horses and improve mileage because of reduced pumping losses. Hal From rbc_48183 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 15:43:27 2010 From: rbc_48183 at yahoo.com (roger cotting) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:43:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 head & valves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <634277.26554.qm@web111216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You can plug the air holes with a front wheel bearing. it fills the hole without anything sticking out. It is up to you if you use Rimflo valves.If you are after most performance, use them. If you are trying to save $$, use standard valves. Roger Cotting ________________________________ From: Michael Rowe To: Spridgets Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 5:03:19 PM Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 head & valves It turns out that my 12g1316 head has 1.3" inlet valves, which is bigger than I thought. Is moving to 1.4" intake valves worth the expense for a street car? There is very little space for them. How about 1.4" Rimflo valves ($$$!)? The air injection ports are blocked, but each has a fair-sized nipple or something extending well into the exhaust port in the worst possible place. Is this normal, or has something been shoved in there by the plug? Michael Rowe '74 Midget "60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as rbc_48183 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 15:52:58 2010 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:52:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Pics of my wide trackin Sprite In-Reply-To: <07537B06-32C9-438B-9BD4-062D9DA71BCF@verizon.net> Message-ID: <308278.62267.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phil - That kinda reminds me of how my '67 Mustang looked when I was in High School. For some strange reason, I did it on purpose... Live and Learn. David Booker Long Island From sales at justbrits.com Tue Jan 19 15:53:22 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:53:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Morris 'Low Light" FS In-Reply-To: <20100119.145242.1608.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20100119.145242.1608.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4B5637E2.9010700@justbrits.com> << I'm thinking not. >> On **THIS** List Mark, FOR SURE !!!! HOWEVER, where it closer to me............ !!! SWEET car tho !!! Ed From info at classictradespace.com Tue Jan 19 15:56:44 2010 From: info at classictradespace.com (classic trade space) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:56:44 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye project car Message-ID: <43F2945670FD4052B1A8DC9EE732A007@WORLDCARS> Does any one have a solid bugeye project for sale that needs restoring or a Mk11 sprite would be ok, looking for a decent starting point to fully restore, even a rolling shell would be ok as i have running gear. From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 19 17:16:10 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] National craigslist search in Google - Lots of LBC content! In-Reply-To: <570230.56932.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <570230.56932.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anyone ever find a way to search nationally on craigslist? http://www2.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cgi From abcoz at hky.com Tue Jan 19 17:24:37 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:24:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] sad news Message-ID: Just read a report, on the MG Experience MGB forum, that Caroline Twist, wife of legendary MG guru John Twist passed away at 6:45 this evening. Obviously, due to her only having been gone for less than an hour, no information concerning visitation & funeral arrangements have been posted. I'll pass along any information I get through MGE. Bud Osbourne From abcoz at hky.com Tue Jan 19 17:30:41 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] sad news Message-ID: <3073794F438E4F3686868F9B02325BBB@OwnerPC> It appears that I got the date of Caroline Twist's passing wrong. It looks like it may have been several days ago. If that's the case and it has already been reported on this talk list, my apologies to you all. As of this time, however, nothing has been posted on MG Experience concerning funeral arrangements or anything about where we can express our condolences. Bud Osbourne From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 17:35:13 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:35:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] National craigslist search in Google - Lots of LBC content! In-Reply-To: <570230.56932.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <570230.56932.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001191635k65038f19rd82e269e69e0a891@mail.gmail.com> Your google fu is weak, grasshopper. http://www.searchtempest.com/ The problem with google and cl is you don't get the very latest stuff. From sales at justbrits.com Tue Jan 19 17:44:40 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:44:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] sad news In-Reply-To: <3073794F438E4F3686868F9B02325BBB@OwnerPC> References: <3073794F438E4F3686868F9B02325BBB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4B5651F8.6010809@justbrits.com> From MGs List on 16th, Bud. ***************************************************************************** This will appear in the Grand Rapids Press on Sunday 1/17. Caroline Scott Robinson, 56, of Ada, died Tuesday, Jan 12th, 2010, at home surrounded by her family. Caroline graduated from Forest Hills High School in 1972 and received her BS in Business from Aquinas in 1978. She had a lifetime passion for horseback riding and reading. A fiercely independent woman, she valued family greatly and was extremely dedicated to and supportive of her four children. She left a brilliant impression on all she met. For 33 years with her husband, she created, organized, managed, and directed University Motors, a local MG sportscar business of international acclaim. She was preceded in death by her father, Oliver Long Robinson. She is survived by her mother, Barbara Robinson of Cascade and step mother Joan Robinson of Grand Rapids; and by her siblings John (Betsi) Robinson, Greensboro NC; Mary Robinson (Tom Simmons); and Peter Robinson, both of Grand Rapids. An extraordinary wife and mother of intense character, she leaves her grieving husband of 31 years, John H Twist and four children: Mary (Chris) VanOpstal of Wilmette, IL, J Brooks Twist, Barbara Rose Twist, and James Oliver Twist, all of Ada. Her legacy was her incredible strength. b Donbt let yourself get weak; you are as strong as you stay.b Visitation and Memorial Service Metcalf-Jonkhoff (Cascade at I-96 Grand Rapids, MI) www.mjfuneral.com Visitation: Friday, Jan 22, 2-4 and 6-8 pm Memorial service: Saturday, Jan 23, 11-12 am Reception: Saturday, 1-4 pm at the Hilton Hotel, 28th at Patterson. If you are coming from out of town, plan to stay at the Hilton. Call Janet for a reservation: 616 957 0100 In lieu of flowers, donations may be made in her name to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society through Metcalf. From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 17:48:33 2010 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:48:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B26509F-8E7E-4F05-AF29-9E0CCC7AA85A@gmail.com> More info here, http://www.universitymotorsltd.com/news-blog.html On Jan 19, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Bud Osbourne wrote: > Just read a report, on the MG Experience MGB forum, that Caroline > Twist, wife > of legendary MG guru John Twist passed away at 6:45 this evening. > Obviously, due to her only having been gone for less than an hour, no > information concerning visitation & funeral arrangements have been > posted. > I'll pass along any information I get through MGE. > Bud Osbourne > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as kevinv1275 at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 20:56:37 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:56:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... Message-ID: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1560243939.html From eap2140 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 21:01:58 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:01:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] National craigslist search in Google - Lots of LBC content! In-Reply-To: <5f00d9911001191635k65038f19rd82e269e69e0a891@mail.gmail.com> References: <570230.56932.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5f00d9911001191635k65038f19rd82e269e69e0a891@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <136447.3821.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Many thanks, Sensei... there is much coolness to be discovered here. The pupil has become the mastah!! (evil laugh). ________________________________ From: derf To: Edward Perez Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 4:35:13 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] National craigslist search in Google - Lots of LBC content! Your google fu is weak, grasshopper. http://www.searchtempest.com/ The problem with google and cl is you don't get the very latest stuff. From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jan 19 21:27:04 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Membership/e-mail Message-ID: <4B568618.6000904@bradakis.com> A subscriber on another list asked this question, I figured that the answer might be helpful to some folks on other lists. mjb. > I would like to suspend myself from receiving list e-mail for an undefined > time, probably 90 days due to some surgery. Can you help me? 1. Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the mailman/listinfo one. 2. In the subscriber section, enter your email address and list password. 3. Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with your list password. 4. Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box labeled 'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button. 5. Click on the password reminder button. 6. When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in your newly arrived password. 7. Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options. 8. Click on the 'disabled' button. 9. Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes' 10. Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously you would click on the 'enable' button. On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email address. You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work address, and set only one of them to enable. Having the other address subscribed will keep messages you send from that address from getting bounced as non-member spam, but you won't get multiple copies of each list message. From PAsgeirsson at att.net Tue Jan 19 09:27:49 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:27:49 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... References: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601ca9924$57e9e860$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Re-contoured by Bondo! Love it! LOL! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... > Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1560243939.html > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Jan 19 22:14:06 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:14:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <791565.5126.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I think that's a Honda steering wheel in the passenger side! Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- From: Edward Perez Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1560243939.html From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Wed Jan 20 03:43:49 2010 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:43:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] spark timing. (was : battery drain...update) Message-ID: <122067.75401.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Greetings so I finally got the engine running again.. it seems that the oil I put in the SU (hif44) does not stay there! It was dripping into the barrel of the carb and going through to foul my spark plugs. Not sure why.. I didn't think they could be overfilled.... Should you fill dashpots with the cap and little piston totally removed or just enough to slide the top out of the way to get oil in? I had fully removed it. Anyway, i cleaned the plugs and used a spray bottle to get some water in there when I started it to keep the plugs from oiling up after 10 seconds. Seems to have done the trick..... now though as a result of that debacle I lost my expensive spark timing,... it i hadn't touched it since a $500 day at the dyno tuners.. I'd be interested to hear the spark settings some of you run..in particular 1275's in warm street tune. (LCB, cooper-ish cam, etc). I have a TRIGER timing belt which has the timing pointer on the top edge, so I had to scribe a TDC mark on the crank pulley when I built the engine. A bigger timing pointer would have been good, as there is only 10 degrees... If you want to know what is happening at higher RPMs than you're just guessing.. At least its running again...I guess I'll just keep winding a few clicks of advance on each time, until i hear it ping, then back it off a few clicks. good to have it back...it's summer here! cheers Andy ____________________________________________________________________ ______________ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ From pilotrob at webtv.net Wed Jan 20 05:11:09 2010 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:11:09 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] spark timing. (was : battery drain...update) Message-ID: The dyno tuning shop, if modernized, may very well have kept a record of your "pulls" and calibration changes as well. I know the shop wherein by PO'd Vizardized 1340 was done did and additonally, provided me with a spec sheet as well in the event it was needed for any reason. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From pilotrob at webtv.net Wed Jan 20 05:13:16 2010 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:13:16 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: Reply With Details For Claim Message-ID: Once again, feel free to take my winning number and pick-up the loot. Don't say I never tried to do anything for you! :) Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) -----Original Message----- From: Debby Sanchez Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:27 AM Subject: Reply With Details For Claim Dear Subscriber, Your email has received 1,400,000.00 Pounds in our email promotions, to claim send your Claim Number to this email service at akrolegalfirm.org reply with your claim number is 19-24-31-42-43-47-{01} and your full Name/Age/Sex/Tel/Country for claim. Thank you for using the internet Regards Debby Sanchez ? 2010 Internet Services. All rights reserved ------------------------------------------------- Este mensaje fue enviado por: http://webmail.utalca.cl From pilotrob at webtv.net Wed Jan 20 05:35:24 2010 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:35:24 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 head & valves Message-ID: A larger inlet valve will most certainly make it's presence known, state of tune notwithstanding. You'll see a definite improvement in the torque portion of whatever cam profile you are using. "Reversion" in airflow using the stock cam profile is minimal so Rimflow valves designed specifically to combat same would be a waste of money despite their excellent quality. However, as cam timing approaches durations of 270 degrees or so, they become a definite asset in helping to maintain smooth airflow to aid low rpm torque, normally lost to one extent or another with more "hairy" cam profiles as you get into the Kent 276, APT SPVP3 range Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From pilotrob at webtv.net Wed Jan 20 05:36:52 2010 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:52 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Morris 'Low Light" FS Message-ID: One for Pa Asgeirsson for sure! :) Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From jfishbein at snet.net Wed Jan 20 05:56:57 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:56:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Reconstituted Spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AC9391D-42E1-46D6-91F3-E2A874F8F446@snet.net> Thanks Bob. Jay Fishbein Wallingford, CT 55 Miles From Spam Central On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM, "Robert E. Shlafer" wrote: > Once again, feel free to take my winning number and pick-up the > loot. Don't say I never tried to do anything for you! :) > > Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debby Sanchez > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:27 AM > Subject: Reply With Details For Claim > > > > Dear Subscriber, > > Your email has received 1,400,000.00 Pounds in our email promotions, > to claim > send your Claim Number to this email service at akrolegalfirm.org reply > with your > claim number is 19-24-31-42-43-47-{01} and your full Name/Age/Sex/ > Tel/Country > for claim. > > Thank you for using the internet > > Regards > Debby Sanchez > ? 2010 Internet Services. All rights From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 20 06:35:19 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:35:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Reconstituted Spam In-Reply-To: <7AC9391D-42E1-46D6-91F3-E2A874F8F446@snet.net> References: <7AC9391D-42E1-46D6-91F3-E2A874F8F446@snet.net> Message-ID: <16499D470C3C4A3B9D1B70123ED9D5BC@HomePC> Are you that close to Cap'n Bob, Jay? My condolences. Has it affected property values much? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Fishbein" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:56 AM To: "Robert E. Shlafer" Cc: ; ; Subject: [Spridgets] Reconstituted Spam Thanks Bob. Jay Fishbein Wallingford, CT 55 Miles From Spam Central On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM, "Robert E. Shlafer" wrote: > Once again, feel free to take my winning number and pick-up the > loot. Don't say I never tried to do anything for you! :) > > Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debby Sanchez > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:27 AM > Subject: Reply With Details For Claim > > > > Dear Subscriber, > > Your email has received 1,400,000.00 Pounds in our email promotions, > to claim > send your Claim Number to this email service at akrolegalfirm.org reply > with your > claim number is 19-24-31-42-43-47-{01} and your full Name/Age/Sex/ > Tel/Country > for claim. > > Thank you for using the internet > > Regards > Debby Sanchez > ? 2010 Internet Services. All rights _______________________________________________ From eap2140 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 20 06:46:24 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:46:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Reconstituted Spam In-Reply-To: <7AC9391D-42E1-46D6-91F3-E2A874F8F446@snet.net> References: <7AC9391D-42E1-46D6-91F3-E2A874F8F446@snet.net> Message-ID: <826567.72333.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't forget to include your SSN, bank routing and account info, and PIN number.... ________________________________ From: Jay Fishbein To: Robert E. Shlafer Cc: "spridgets at autox.team.net" ; "midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com" ; "bugeye at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 4:56:57 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Reconstituted Spam Thanks Bob. Jay Fishbein Wallingford, CT 55 Miles From Spam Central On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM, "Robert E. Shlafer" wrote: > Once again, feel free to take my winning number and pick-up the loot. Don't say I never tried to do anything for you! :) > > Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debby Sanchez > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:27 AM > Subject: Reply With Details For Claim > > > > Dear Subscriber, > > Your email has received 1,400,000.00 Pounds in our email promotions, to claim > send your Claim Number to this email service at akrolegalfirm.org reply with your > claim number is 19-24-31-42-43-47-{01} and your full Name/Age/Sex/Tel/Country > for claim. > > Thank you for using the internet > > Regards > Debby Sanchez > ? 2010 Internet Services. All rights Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Jan 20 07:28:06 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:28:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0E1F8E45745A481AB9D569227152D229@Home> > Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? It is considered bad manners on this list to insult Frank. ;-) Anon. From kentmclean at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 07:54:37 2010 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:54:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] National craigslist search in Google - Lots of LBC content! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B57192D.5030904@comcast.net> Edward Perez wrote: > Just type this in the Google search window. You'll get all the cars available > on craigslist everywhere.... > > MG Midget site:craigslist.org You can do ranges of years, too. Add: 1958..1960 And if you don't want to see listings of parts, add: -pts (Or +pts if you do.) Now don't go finding a cheap Bugeye and not telling me. derf wrote: > Your google fu is weak, grasshopper. > http://www.searchtempest.com/ > The problem with google and cl is you don't get the very latest stuff. That's true. You'll get lots of out-of-date links, or ads removed after the sale. But with searchtempest, you'll get hundreds of "nothing found"s. Michael Rowe suggested axed.com; "We had another small outage". Nothing is perfect. -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 10:16:51 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues Message-ID: <960826031.14863121264007811645.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I/we pulled the engine and trans from my 74 and the transmission sat vertical for about a month on the bell housing. Prior to this I had no problems shifting at all. Now when we put the engine and new clutch back we had to hobble together a pilot bushing since the one hat was in their was in pieces and the one that came with the new clutch did not fit. anyway now i have occasional problems getting into first and today getting into reverse. This is with the clutch pedal fully pressed down. Now this isn't gear grinding on gear, it is as if something is blocking the stick shift from moving forward into gear. The stick shift isn't moving forward enough to engage the gears . It eventually gets in but takes a few tries. i at first thought it might be air in the line but after bleeding it twice and still having the same issue I am wondering if its something else. any ideas? could i have but something back together wrong or is this just a byproduct of new clutch and cobbled pilot bushing? Ryan '74 midget From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 10:58:27 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:58:27 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: <0E1F8E45745A481AB9D569227152D229@Home> References: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0E1F8E45745A481AB9D569227152D229@Home> Message-ID: <4333f8141001200958h21e1d9fag664468fcc4c30c7a@mail.gmail.com> Hey, he didn't say to fix this...... Hal On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? >> > > It is considered bad manners on this list to insult Frank. ;-) From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Jan 20 11:32:16 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:32:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] More heads Message-ID: <73F4D4B0A4474CFC8296D6625E0E433B@Home> How deep is the stock combustion chamber on a 12G 1316 head? This one is a lot shallower than the 12G 295. It may have been milled, but there is no evidence of any other work on it. Do I have to worry about high-lift rockers making valves hit a piston? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From maine2me at yahoo.com Wed Jan 20 13:17:38 2010 From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:17:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <912592.58306.qm@web114117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It's worth a $100. :o)) ----- Original Message ---- From: Edward Perez To: Spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:56:37 PM Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1560243939.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as maine2me at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From fastvee at yahoo.com Wed Jan 20 13:25:01 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:25:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More heads In-Reply-To: <73F4D4B0A4474CFC8296D6625E0E433B@Home> Message-ID: <767788.16687.qm@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Michael, The stock 1316 head thickness is 2.750" so just measure the overall thickness with a caliper and you'll know how much was milled. Still don't tell you much. If a valve job was done, the chambers get larger, and it may have been milled to just get the CR back to where it was. Do all of the work you want to do on the head and then measure the chamber volume for the CR calculation. Only then will you know what to do to put the CR where you want it, or just make sure it is safe. Valve-piston clearance is not only a function of lift, but includes duration and how the cam is timed. It is usually checked during a trial assembly with some modeling clay on the piston and turning the engine through several cycles. I doubt you'd have a problem with a street cam, but race cam lift & duration usually has the exhaust valves needing a relief machined into the piston. More of a problem for you could be valve spring coil bind with the high lift rockers depending on what cam lift and springs you've chosen. Buying a complete cam kit assures matched components, but you still need to check and set the springs installed heights and check coil spacing at full lift. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Michael Rowe wrote: From: Michael Rowe Subject: [Spridgets] More heads To: "Spridgets" Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 1:32 PM How deep is the stock combustion chamber on a 12G 1316 head? This one is a lot shallower than the 12G 295. It may have been milled, but there is no evidence of any other work on it. Do I have to worry about high-lift rockers making valves hit a piston? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From thcollin at mtu.edu Wed Jan 20 14:01:32 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Old Life Magazines & LBC's Message-ID: <87d2rg$7sdgnb@email.mtu.edu> I was going through Google Books today looking for Sprite, Midget, BMC, etc advertisements in the pages of Life magazine. I found a few neat ones including one with Donald H. in an advertisement for Lord Calvert - Men of Distinction. Evidently an article about sports cars (Farthest-Gone Motorists, LIFE Mar 28, 1960) was published in Life which brought several funny (funny today) letters to the editor. Here's one. LIFE April 18, 1960 Having spent more than four years in a service station, I feel somewhat qualified to cast an opinion about sports car owners. These guys were a pain in the neck. Tires had to be at 25 pounds 6 ounces, or some other microscopically accurate reading. Gas and oil consumption was faithfully logged in tine black book. Invariably, I did not have in stock the type of oil that they used. They would stand over me to see if I spilled any fuel--the purpose being to deduct from the mileage computations and to wipe it up so the paint wouldn't stain. After all this, they would announce to all the latest miles-per-gallon figure and roar out of the pump island. My reaction was always a heartfelt goodby. Noel D. Harman Manhattan Beach, Calif. Hey, I resemble those remarks, except my book is BLUE!! LOL Another indignant writer, T.R.Young (female?? from Maine), wrote how to properly get into an Austin Healey - even with bags of groceries in hand. Deborah Scheibel, N.H. wrote that the author ". . .must be mad to let a garage mechanic touch one's most valued possession." [I'm thinking she's talking about a car here] Anyway, it is fun reading to find old ad's about our cars. Check them out. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 14:36:05 2010 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:36:05 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Message-ID: <37dc82d41001201336n689b9d85j165e60118003f828@mail.gmail.com> A Porsche has it's cams driven by an internal chain. . the same as I think about it as the straight 6 Jaguar engines hailing from the 1950's (and possibly earlier). Many high end cars have their cams driven by an internal chain with a tensioner which needs very little maintenance, if any, compared to an outside belt drive. The Ferrari, and I am guessing the Lambo and other super high end cars have their cams driven by outboard belts . . which need to be changed out at around 30k miles. With the Ferrari, I understand that it is a big process in that the engine has to be pulled to change out the belts. I have read that it can cost up to 10k to have the dealer change out the belts in a Ferrari. So why would Ferrari, as well as others, go with an outboard belt drive on their cams? Is it because the system is lighter, gives a better response, or? I am guessing that the thought is that outboard belt driven cams enhance performance? Just a question that has been in my head for a while. . I never have heard anyone explain the theory behind the out board belt as opposed to the internal timing chain for driving cam shafts? Kirk Pushrod Drive 1275 From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jan 20 14:46:22 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:46:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Speaking of fibreglass....... Message-ID: <201001201346264.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> From the MGB Experience forum Trader section. NFI Peter C = For Sale:MGB , MGA , MG Midget Original Style Replacement Body Panel Molds. 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Call 1-877-368-4533 or email sales at smoothline.com From thcollin at mtu.edu Wed Jan 20 15:01:27 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] LIFE, Chimp drives Big Healey Message-ID: <87d2rg$7se03f@email.mtu.edu> Oh, I like this one. LIFE Jan 17, 1964 Special Report Ape Who Drives Like 60 A Florida chimp takes the wheel and hits trouble Pic of Big Healey, caption: With trainer Slover next to her, Cappy maneuvers through Tampa streets. She has learned to take traffic calmly and ignore stares of other drivers. Fact or Fiction??? Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From caws52803 at aol.com Wed Jan 20 15:12:36 2010 From: caws52803 at aol.com (caws52803 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:12:36 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Old Life Magazines & LBC's Message-ID: <1395e.523e46a0.3888d9d4@aol.com> The one with DMH and the alcohol is a rare one and one Donald didn't really like. It's a saver. Rudy in NC From lists at dinospider.com Wed Jan 20 15:54:24 2010 From: lists at dinospider.com (mike rambour) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:54:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001201336n689b9d85j165e60118003f828@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001201336n689b9d85j165e60118003f828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1264028064.19076.114.camel@WebBrowser> Ferrari in the old days also used chains, chains stretch and are a major pain to change after they stretch, granted that is way more than the 30,000 miles a belt lasts. Not all Ferrari's require a motor out to change the belts, 308, 328, Mondial's do not require the engine out, 348 I think are engine out but not sure, 355's and newer require a engine out. Before 308's they were chain driven. The belt is quieter and supposed to be less susceptible to stretch, basically they go on and stay put until they break, so your cam timing remains perfect (assuming perfect work to install it). Belts also steal less horsepower from the motor although I don't fully buy this one, spinning a belt vs. spinning a chain would seem to be about the same to me, but in the world of performance where every 100th of HP is desired, belts are supposed to make a difference. At least in the Ferrari world the chains require a little more periodic maintenance then the belts because the tensioners are really from the dark ages, I check the tension on my chains every 2 years but its a quick/easy process, the tensioners are a bit of pain but that is supposed to be because the motor spins at 8,500RPM and Ferrari made sure they don't accidentally unlock and lose tension on the chains. On the belted Ferrari's the tensioner needs no maintenance. Any by the way, change those belts on the Ferrari on schedule its not a pretty sight when the pistons make love with the valves at 8,000RPM. mike On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 13:36 -0800, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > A Porsche has it's cams driven by an internal chain. . the same as I think > about it as the straight 6 Jaguar engines hailing from the 1950's (and > possibly earlier). > > Many high end cars have their cams driven by an internal chain with a > tensioner which needs very little maintenance, if any, compared to an > outside belt drive. > > The Ferrari, and I am guessing the Lambo and other super high end cars have > their cams driven by outboard belts . . which need to be changed out at > around 30k miles. > > With the Ferrari, I understand that it is a big process in that the engine > has to be pulled to change out the belts. I have read that it can cost up > to 10k to have the dealer change out the belts in a Ferrari. > > So why would Ferrari, as well as others, go with an outboard belt drive on > their cams? > > Is it because the system is lighter, gives a better response, or? I am > guessing that the thought is that outboard belt driven cams enhance > performance? > > Just a question that has been in my head for a while. . I never have heard > anyone explain the theory behind the out board belt as opposed to the > internal timing chain for driving cam shafts? > > > Kirk > Pushrod Drive 1275 From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 15:59:41 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: <0E1F8E45745A481AB9D569227152D229@Home> References: <692929.93605.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0E1F8E45745A481AB9D569227152D229@Home> Message-ID: <4B578ADD.2060403@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: >> Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? > > It is considered bad manners on this list to insult Frank. ;-) > > Hey I would buy it in a heartbeat but the price should be $24.95 -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From maine2me at yahoo.com Wed Jan 20 16:54:34 2010 From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:54:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <1264028064.19076.114.camel@WebBrowser> References: <37dc82d41001201336n689b9d85j165e60118003f828@mail.gmail.com> <1264028064.19076.114.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <91982.17479.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> THe belts are better based on reduced overall friction and weight. Think about the fact each link overlaps the other. That means you have 2 friction points on each end of each link. Not to mention the 2 sprockets sliding into the chain as it turns...and last but not least...the tensioner is usually some form of plastic that slides across the rough surface of the chain. True...the oil does reduce some of the friction but... As for the weight...most chains weigh more than the belts so belts would reduce the rotating mass by some fraction. Just my thoughts...I could be wrong but hey.... Dan ----- Original Message ---- From: mike rambour To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 5:54:24 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Question Ferrari in the old days also used chains, chains stretch and are a major pain to change after they stretch, granted that is way more than the 30,000 miles a belt lasts. Not all Ferrari's require a motor out to change the belts, 308, 328, Mondial's do not require the engine out, 348 I think are engine out but not sure, 355's and newer require a engine out. Before 308's they were chain driven. The belt is quieter and supposed to be less susceptible to stretch, basically they go on and stay put until they break, so your cam timing remains perfect (assuming perfect work to install it). Belts also steal less horsepower from the motor although I don't fully buy this one, spinning a belt vs. spinning a chain would seem to be about the same to me, but in the world of performance where every 100th of HP is desired, belts are supposed to make a difference. At least in the Ferrari world the chains require a little more periodic maintenance then the belts because the tensioners are really from the dark ages, I check the tension on my chains every 2 years but its a quick/easy process, the tensioners are a bit of pain but that is supposed to be because the motor spins at 8,500RPM and Ferrari made sure they don't accidentally unlock and lose tension on the chains. On the belted Ferrari's the tensioner needs no maintenance. Any by the way, change those belts on the Ferrari on schedule its not a pretty sight when the pistons make love with the valves at 8,000RPM. mike On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 13:36 -0800, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > A Porsche has it's cams driven by an internal chain. . the same as I think > about it as the straight 6 Jaguar engines hailing from the 1950's (and > possibly earlier). > > Many high end cars have their cams driven by an internal chain with a > tensioner which needs very little maintenance, if any, compared to an > outside belt drive. > > The Ferrari, and I am guessing the Lambo and other super high end cars have > their cams driven by outboard belts .. . which need to be changed out at > around 30k miles. > > With the Ferrari, I understand that it is a big process in that the engine > has to be pulled to change out the belts. I have read that it can cost up > to 10k to have the dealer change out the belts in a Ferrari. > > So why would Ferrari, as well as others, go with an outboard belt drive on > their cams? > > Is it because the system is lighter, gives a better response, or? I am > guessing that the thought is that outboard belt driven cams enhance > performance? > > Just a question that has been in my head for a while. . I never have heard > anyone explain the theory behind the out board belt as opposed to the > internal timing chain for driving cam shafts? > > > Kirk > Pushrod Drive 1275 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team..net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as maine2me at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 18:11:06 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:11:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Question References: <37dc82d41001201336n689b9d85j165e60118003f828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22BD9627C81B4A75A3E752C52F4315D7@blackbox2> Good reading here: http://www.crxsi.com/articles/read/what-s-best-timing-belt-or-timing-chain-february-2009.htm "In 2009 model year we see a new trend of car manufacturers moving back to timing chain engine design. Many of them rely on a service data and price/performance evaluation for the size of the vehicle. It is unlikely that general public will know exact figures on timing belt/chain price/performance comparison but we all have our own preferences and that may become a driving force for the future engine models." and here: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.autos.toyota/2008-02/msg02133.html Personally, I prefer a timing chain. Over the years I have dropped some serious change to replace timing belts. Changing a chain has never been an issue on the cars I owned that had them, namely, Ford's Cologne based V-6s and of course the A-series. And contrary to what people say, timing is not compromised with a worn chain, assuming the tensioner is in order. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Question >A Porsche has it's cams driven by an internal chain. . the same as I think > about it as the straight 6 Jaguar engines hailing from the 1950's (and > possibly earlier). > > Many high end cars have their cams driven by an internal chain with a > tensioner which needs very little maintenance, if any, compared to an > outside belt drive. > > The Ferrari, and I am guessing the Lambo and other super high end cars have > their cams driven by outboard belts . . which need to be changed out at > around 30k miles. > > With the Ferrari, I understand that it is a big process in that the engine > has to be pulled to change out the belts. I have read that it can cost up > to 10k to have the dealer change out the belts in a Ferrari. > > So why would Ferrari, as well as others, go with an outboard belt drive on > their cams? > > Is it because the system is lighter, gives a better response, or? I am > guessing that the thought is that outboard belt driven cams enhance > performance? > > Just a question that has been in my head for a while. . I never have heard > anyone explain the theory behind the out board belt as opposed to the > internal timing chain for driving cam shafts? From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 19:01:31 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues References: <960826031.14863121264007811645.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5BE4025E6CA14A21BEDC50187422F6C5@blackbox2> Ryan, when it finally goes into first or reverse does it "crunch" in? Also, what do you mean by "hobble together" ? Does that mean you machined a new pilot bushing out of brass (OK) or does it mean you found a piece of steel tubing that was the right size (BAD)? Did you apply grease to the pilot bushing upon assembly? The storage position of the tranny should have no impact, unless your oil drained out pass a leaky front seal. Did you drain and refill it at any point? The reason I mention this is that the front input shaft seal is a tough R&R since nobody sells an original replacement. There is a guy on ebay that remachines the front covers so that they can accept a modern seal. How is the feel of the clutch? Does it feel like when it goes all the way down that the clutch is releasing as it should? The clutch disk has an offset. It can go on two ways. Did you make sure it went on the right way? Did you change anything, like adjust the length of the clutch pushrod in the master or the push rod in the slave? Did you install a new slave with a different size bore? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > I/we pulled the engine and trans from my 74 and the transmission sat vertical for about a month on the bell housing. > > Prior to this I had no problems shifting at all. Now when we put the engine and new clutch back we had to hobble together a pilot > bushing since the one hat was in their was in pieces and the one that came with the new clutch did not fit. anyway now i have > occasional problems getting into first and today getting into reverse. This is with the clutch pedal fully pressed down. Now this > isn't gear grinding on gear, it is as if something is blocking the stick shift from moving forward into gear. The stick shift > isn't moving forward enough to engage the gears . It eventually gets in but takes a few tries. > > i at first thought it might be air in the line but after bleeding it twice and still having the same issue I am wondering if its > something else. > any ideas? could i have but something back together wrong or is this just a byproduct of new clutch and cobbled pilot bushing? > > Ryan > '74 midget > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dlh2001 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 20 19:03:52 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:03:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <91982.17479.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Belts stretch less and are quieter. Take it from an old Hudson owner. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Jan 20 19:11:49 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:11:49 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <22BD9627C81B4A75A3E752C52F4315D7@blackbox2> Message-ID: Timing chains can stretch and get loose enough to slip a cog...even with a tensioner, but I've never known one to break. The most common failure is for the chain to keep going when the engine stops. That will retard the timing enough for the car to not start and be purchased really cheap. Personally, I like gear drives, but not the Chevy six crap with the fiber gears that strip. The Studebakers were pretty indestructible as were the Ford flatheads. BZ From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 19:44:08 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:44:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <5BE4025E6CA14A21BEDC50187422F6C5@blackbox2> References: <960826031.14863121264007811645.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <5BE4025E6CA14A21BEDC50187422F6C5@blackbox2> Message-ID: <4B57BF78.5050008@comcast.net> Dean Hedin wrote: > Ryan, when it finally goes into first or reverse does it "crunch" in? > > Also, what do you mean by "hobble together" ? > Does that mean you machined a new pilot bushing out of brass (OK) or > does it mean you found a piece of steel tubing that was > the right size (BAD)? It was a brass bushing His was different than what the books say (or the parts ordered) but we improvised. > > Did you apply grease to the pilot bushing upon assembly? Of course > > The storage position of the tranny should have no impact, unless your > oil drained out pass a leaky front seal. > Did you drain and refill it at any point? Drained on removal, refilled on assembly I helped Ryan with the above so I know what we did. > How is the feel of the clutch? Does it feel like when it goes all the > way down that > the clutch is releasing as it should? I did not drive it. > > The clutch disk has an offset. It can go on two ways. Did you make > sure it went on the right way? Yes > > Did you change anything, like adjust the length of the clutch pushrod > in the master > or the push rod in the slave? Did you install a new slave with a > different size bore? > No -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 19:46:13 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:46:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: References: <22BD9627C81B4A75A3E752C52F4315D7@blackbox2> Message-ID: My first contact with the fiber toothed timing gears, was with a 69 Mustang and a 302... On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > Timing chains can stretch and get loose enough to slip a cog...even with a > tensioner, but I've never known one to break. B The most common failure is > for the chain to keep going when the engine stops. That will retard the > timing enough for the car to not start and be purchased really cheap. > Personally, I like gear drives, but not the Chevy six crap with the fiber > gears that strip. The Studebakers were pretty indestructible as were the > Ford flatheads. > BZ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 20:28:16 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues References: <960826031.14863121264007811645.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <5BE4025E6CA14A21BEDC50187422F6C5@blackbox2> <4B57BF78.5050008@comcast.net> Message-ID: <515252EE934F4465ADA8EA5919DDC3DC@blackbox2> My apologies Frank, I did not realize you had assisted Ryan. If it truely was a well functioning tranny previously then the only thing I can think of is clutch adjustment. Important point is that first and reverse have no synchros, and they are the ones giving trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Dean Hedin" Cc: ; "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > Dean Hedin wrote: >> Ryan, when it finally goes into first or reverse does it "crunch" in? >> >> Also, what do you mean by "hobble together" ? >> Does that mean you machined a new pilot bushing out of brass (OK) or >> does it mean you found a piece of steel tubing that was >> the right size (BAD)? > > It was a brass bushing > His was different than what the books say (or the parts ordered) but we > improvised. From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 21:18:40 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <515252EE934F4465ADA8EA5919DDC3DC@blackbox2> Message-ID: <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> The concern is that its not that they are not engaging and grinding gears (like a not fully engaged clutch) its that i cant get the stickshift itself to move into the 1st (occasionally) or reverse position (at all). Obviously my lack of how the transmission works is causing the problem with diagnosing this. The car does shift into all forward gears and up until this morning reverse with the engine running or not. The attempted failed shifts make NO noise at all so its not grinding gear on gear. What would block the stickshift from moving into the reverse position? could it be the synchros that are causing the blocking? Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" To: "Frank" Cc: "ryan kubanoff" , "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:28:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues My apologies Frank, I did not realize you had assisted Ryan. If it truely was a well functioning tranny previously then the only thing I can think of is clutch adjustment. Important point is that first and reverse have no synchros, and they are the ones giving trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Dean Hedin" Cc: ; "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > Dean Hedin wrote: >> Ryan, when it finally goes into first or reverse does it "crunch" in? >> >> Also, what do you mean by "hobble together" ? >> Does that mean you machined a new pilot bushing out of brass (OK) or >> does it mean you found a piece of steel tubing that was >> the right size (BAD)? > > It was a brass bushing > His was different than what the books say (or the parts ordered) but we > improvised. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 22:43:58 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:43:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues References: <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: When removing the tranny or during it's time of stowage, at any time did you remove the stickshift lever from the tranny? ----- Original Message ----- From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net To: Dean Hedin Cc: spridgets ; Frank Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues The concern is that its not that they are not engaging and grinding gears (like a not fully engaged clutch) its that i cant get the stickshift itself to move into the 1st (occasionally) or reverse position (at all). Obviously my lack of how the transmission works is causing the problem with diagnosing this. The car does shift into all forward gears and up until this morning reverse with the engine running or not. The attempted failed shifts make NO noise at all so its not grinding gear on gear. What would block the stickshift from moving into the reverse position? could it be the synchros that are causing the blocking? Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" To: "Frank" Cc: "ryan kubanoff" , "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:28:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues My apologies Frank, I did not realize you had assisted Ryan. If it truely was a well functioning tranny previously then the only thing I can think of is clutch adjustment. Important point is that first and reverse have no synchros, and they are the ones giving trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Dean Hedin" Cc: ; "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > Dean Hedin wrote: >> Ryan, when it finally goes into first or reverse does it "crunch" in? >> >> Also, what do you mean by "hobble together" ? >> Does that mean you machined a new pilot bushing out of brass (OK) or >> does it mean you found a piece of steel tubing that was >> the right size (BAD)? > > It was a brass bushing > His was different than what the books say (or the parts ordered) but we > improvised. From PAsgeirsson at att.net Wed Jan 20 23:14:54 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues References: <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004101ca9a61$0d666500$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi Ryan, First thing I'd check is that the proper shifter is installed. Smoothcase and ribcase shifters are different. Moving the shifter into the reverse position, requires that a spring by the shifter be depressed. It's located in the remote part of the trans and can only be depressed by the shifter mechanism in the remote. Is it rusted? There's a botton topped captive rod inside this spring to keep it all together and in proper alignment. This is in both the smooth case and ribcase remote. If somehow this pin was bent on some forcing (BFH) approach on assembly, it might not allow the shifter to move it al all. OTOH, if any of the shifter forks were not assembled properly, (Hard to do!), it might not shift properly. I'm assuming this trans has not been installed in the car, as you would normally shift it in all gears on the bench to see if it works. So, getting it apart wouldn't be much of a job to see what's causing this failure. Later, Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dean Hedin" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > The concern is that its not that they are not engaging and grinding gears (like a not fully engaged clutch) its that i cant get the stickshift itself to move into the 1st (occasionally) or reverse position (at all). Obviously my lack of how the transmission works is causing the problem with diagnosing this. The car does shift into all forward gears and up until this morning reverse with the engine running or not. The attempted failed shifts make NO noise at all so its not grinding gear on gear. > > What would block the stickshift from moving into the reverse position? could it be the synchros that are causing the blocking? > Ryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Hedin" > To: "Frank" > Cc: "ryan kubanoff" , "spridgets" > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:28:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > > My apologies Frank, I did not realize you had assisted Ryan. > > If it truely was a well functioning tranny previously then the only thing > I can think of is clutch adjustment. > > Important point is that first and reverse have no synchros, and they are the ones giving trouble. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "Dean Hedin" > Cc: ; "spridgets" > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > > > > Dean Hedin wrote: > >> Ryan, when it finally goes into first or reverse does it "crunch" in? > >> > >> Also, what do you mean by "hobble together" ? > >> Does that mean you machined a new pilot bushing out of brass (OK) or > >> does it mean you found a piece of steel tubing that was > >> the right size (BAD)? > > > > It was a brass bushing > > His was different than what the books say (or the parts ordered) but we > > improvised. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 23:28:09 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:28:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: References: <22BD9627C81B4A75A3E752C52F4315D7@blackbox2> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001202228g23010423sec16ca52caee1e98@mail.gmail.com> Amen, Billy. Gear drives are the best solution and probably no more expensive than chains or belts. Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > Timing chains can stretch and get loose enough to slip a cog...even with a > tensioner, but I've never known one to break. The most common failure is > for the chain to keep going when the engine stops. That will retard the > timing enough for the car to not start and be purchased really cheap. > Personally, I like gear drives, but not the Chevy six crap with the fiber > gears that strip. The Studebakers were pretty indestructible as were the > Ford flatheads. > BZ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From george.brokaw at cox.net Thu Jan 21 04:27:34 2010 From: george.brokaw at cox.net (Paul Herder) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:27:34 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <515252EE934F4465ADA8EA5919DDC3DC@blackbox2> <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <02ce01ca9a8c$ba8aadb0$2fa00910$@brokaw@cox.net> Here's my 2 cents (US). When you push in the clutch, the input shaft (with the clutch disc) is supposed to be disconnected from the spinning engine but if the input shaft is tight in the pilot bushing then it would be still spinning with the engine and you would have problems getting into gears. It doesn't need much to keep the transmission spinning. YMMV, not valid in the state of confusion, yada, yada, yada... Paul -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:19 PM To: Dean Hedin Cc: spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues The concern is that its not that they are not engaging and grinding gears (like a not fully engaged clutch) its that i cant get the stickshift itself to move into the 1st (occasionally) or reverse position (at all). Obviously my lack of how the transmission works is causing the problem with diagnosing this. The car does shift into all forward gears and up until this morning reverse with the engine running or not. The attempted failed shifts make NO noise at all so its not grinding gear on gear. What would block the stickshift from moving into the reverse position? could it be the synchros that are causing the blocking? Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" To: "Frank" Cc: "ryan kubanoff" , "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:28:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues My apologies Frank, I did not realize you had assisted Ryan. If it truely was a well functioning tranny previously then the only thing I can think of is clutch adjustment. Important point is that first and reverse have no synchros, and they are the ones giving trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Dean Hedin" Cc: ; "spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues > Dean Hedin wrote: >> Ryan, when it finally goes into first or reverse does it "crunch" in? >> >> Also, what do you mean by "hobble together" ? >> Does that mean you machined a new pilot bushing out of brass (OK) or >> does it mean you found a piece of steel tubing that was >> the right size (BAD)? > > It was a brass bushing > His was different than what the books say (or the parts ordered) but we > improvised. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as george.brokaw at cox.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 05:52:26 2010 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Project available Message-ID: <1694516841.13583961264078346604.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Because of health issues, I have not been able to work on my pet project '67 Sprite for some time, and it appears now that I won't be finishing it, again because of the inability to freely move about the car and work on it. So, I am looking at soon selling the whole project, which consists of a body shell mounted in a roll-over frame which has had most of the body panel welding completed. Of the welding that needs to be done, I have the needed body panels. The bonnet and boot lid are in great condition and all the parts are there, stored in boxes, plus another set of parts from a cannibalized '72 Midget. The engine is complete but has not yet been reconditioned and there is a 2nd 1500 (or so) engine from a Datsun that I plan to throw in. I had thought it might be a stronger engine and would couple right up to the Datsun tranny, should one become available, but I now think I would prefer the 1275. The front suspension has been completely reconditioned, including reaming and replacing worn parts, although not yet mounted. Anyway, if anyone is interested in an instant project that is well on its way, I would (sadly) be willing to sell the whole thing, lock, stock, and barrel. You would have to come to East Tennessee, just North of Knoxville, to pick it up. Contact me if you are seriously interested. 8^) --David C. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 06:08:45 2010 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Project Available Message-ID: <2129159260.13589331264079325104.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Oh--I think $1200 would be a bargain for the whole thing--just a fraction of what I have in it in terms of original purchase, new body panels and other parts, and time. But I would hope someone would take it, finish it, and get her (Vicky) back on the road again. --David C. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein From kentmclean at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 06:13:43 2010 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:13:43 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B585307.2010608@comcast.net> Edward Perez wrote: > Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? > http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1560243939.html I might pay that for the Porsche 356 sitting next to it. And what is that to the left? Not a Fiero, nor Bricklin, nor Lotus Esprit. It has hood louvers. That cheap looking bumper implies pre-1974 (or non-US). American? Kit car? It's bugging me. -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From fastvee at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 06:52:05 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:52:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <22BD9627C81B4A75A3E752C52F4315D7@blackbox2> Message-ID: <423534.8683.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I guess it depends on what they mean by "Compromised". The cam timing will retard as the chain wears, even with a tensioner. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Dean Hedin wrote: And contrary to what people say, timing is not compromised with a worn chain, assuming the tensioner is in order. From abcoz at hky.com Thu Jan 21 07:16:02 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:16:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Speaking of fibreglass....... In-Reply-To: <201001201346264.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <201001201346264.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: Peter, I vaguely remember hearing something about who this is and where he is located (southwestern PA is Pittsburgh country, after all). I can probably find out more, if anyone is interested. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Speaking of fibreglass....... > From the MGB Experience forum Trader section. > NFI Peter C > = > > > For Sale:MGB , MGA , MG Midget Original Style Replacement Body Panel > Molds. > > These molds have produced very accurate fitting and looking original > replacement body panels. Thousands of parts have been sold under the name > of Factory Fiberglass by Perfect Plastics in the 80's. > The molds are heavy duty made with special tooling materials and are in > good condition for production. Many more reproductions can be produced by > FRP hand layout or spray up process. The molds have been carefully > maintained and stored and include inner brace molds where required. > Prefer to sell molds as a group by model. Fenders, hoods, rockers. Please > inquire for detailed list > > No resonable offer refused. We want to find a home for these guys. Must be > sold in the next few months. Pickup is preferable. Crating, palletizing > and shipping at extra cost. Located in South Western PA. > > Call 1-877-368-4533 or email > sales at smoothline.com From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 21 07:36:48 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:36:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.west chester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <515252EE934F4465ADA8EA5919DDC3DC@blackbox2> <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <201001210636868.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Ryan, I would look at the shifter linkage bits.. from the top. Remove boot; remove 3 screws, plate, spacer, lever, plastic cup and spring. If any of those are missing, you get what you got. Take a look at a parts diagram to be sure that stuff is there in order. You would've removed the shift lever when you removed the tranny, maybe all the pieces didn't go back in? I recall this exact scenario at a racetrack in Michigan. Borrowed pieces from a street car to get going. Peter C == At 10:18 PM 1/20/2010, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote: >The concern is that its not that they are not engaging and grinding >gears (like a not fully engaged clutch) its that i cant get the >stickshift itself to move into the 1st (occasionally) or reverse >position (at all). Obviously my lack of how the transmission works >is causing the problem with diagnosing this. The car does shift into >all forward gears and up until this morning reverse with the engine >running or not. The attempted failed shifts make NO noise at all so >its not grinding gear on gear. > >What would block the stickshift from moving into the reverse >position? could it be the synchros that are causing the blocking? >Ryan From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 07:40:16 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:40:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: <4B585307.2010608@comcast.net> References: <4B585307.2010608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001210640s49a78a41oc214b1bd44e68c5f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Kent McLean wrote: > And what is that to the left? Not a Fiero, nor Bricklin, nor > Lotus Esprit. It has hood louvers. That cheap looking bumper > implies pre-1974 (or non-US). American? Kit car? Appears to be a Bradley GT II; a VW Beetle based kit car http://www.roaring-20s.org/bradley/dave_p_gt2.jpg From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 07:41:02 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:41:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <423534.8683.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <22BD9627C81B4A75A3E752C52F4315D7@blackbox2> <423534.8683.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001210641y4a380e81ie03adb8608b8d918@mail.gmail.com> > And contrary to what people say, timing is not compromised with a worn chain, assuming the tensioner is in order. The tensioner should not affect your cam timing. It is taking up slack on the "push" side of things to keep the system a little quieter. On the "pull" side there is nothing to affect the effective distance from crank tooth to cam tooth other than chain stretch. David L From kentmclean at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 08:15:50 2010 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:15:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: References: , <4B585307.2010608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B586FA6.1000808@comcast.net> robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote: > So, it's not Brazillion ... > > http://www.getmsm.com/ev/BradleyGT/default.htm I've owned an X1/9, and it's not that. But it seems to be a Bradley GT, based on creases and headlight lid: Thanks. -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From frog.aye at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 09:36:00 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:36:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <-4527687364311194543@unknownmsgid> References: <515252EE934F4465ADA8EA5919DDC3DC@blackbox2> <1780931508.15181571264047520419.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <-4527687364311194543@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4333f8141001210836g4fae2992p4e6930a06be700b9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Paul Herder wrote: > Here's my 2 cents (US). > > When you push in the clutch, the input shaft (with the clutch disc) is > supposed to be disconnected from the spinning engine but if the input shaft > is tight in the pilot bushing then it would be still spinning with the > engine and you would have problems getting into gears. > an/listinfo/spridgets > Don't think so 'cuz "this isn't gear grinding on gear, it is as if something is blocking the stick shift from moving forward into gear." If it were some drag causing the input shaft to spin there would be considerable grinding of gears when trying to engage first or reverse (neither of which has synchro.) Hal From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 21 09:36:23 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:36:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] You have got to be kidding me.... In-Reply-To: <4B585307.2010608@comcast.net> References: <4B585307.2010608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <201001210836713.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> At 07:13 AM 1/21/2010, Kent McLean wrote: >Edward Perez wrote: > > Are people really this stupid....to buy this or sell it? > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1560243939.html ============== Maybe the price includes an E ?... and he needs to buy a few of them. Vanna From frog.aye at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 09:47:02 2010 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:47:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <402188521001210641y4a380e81ie03adb8608b8d918@mail.gmail.com> References: <22BD9627C81B4A75A3E752C52F4315D7@blackbox2> <423534.8683.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001210641y4a380e81ie03adb8608b8d918@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8141001210847v2efd7575kccfbb2214c6512f6@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:41 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > And contrary to what people say, timing is not compromised with a worn > chain, assuming the tensioner is in order. > > The tensioner should not affect your cam timing. It is taking up slack > on the "push" side of things to keep the system a little quieter. On > the "pull" side there is nothing to affect the effective distance from > crank tooth to cam tooth other than chain stretch. > David L > > Exactly, the chain stretch affects the angular relationship between the crank gear and the cam gear, as the chain stretches the cam gear is retarded. Whether this is enough to cause a change in engine performance is debatable; however, don't forget that this will also retard the distributor, a small amount of scatter can have a significant effect on performance. The higher the state of tune of the engine, the more noticeable the effect. Hal From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Thu Jan 21 10:49:26 2010 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (cmanuel at wi.rr.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:49:26 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <4333f8141001210836g4fae2992p4e6930a06be700b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100121174927.KL3SD.294274.root@hrndva-web27-z02> could one of those small half moon shaped "dogs" dislodge itself in the tailshaft/linklage area while on end? Chris ---- Hal Faulkner wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Paul Herder wrote: > > > Here's my 2 cents (US). > > > > When you push in the clutch, the input shaft (with the clutch disc) is > > supposed to be disconnected from the spinning engine but if the input shaft > > is tight in the pilot bushing then it would be still spinning with the > > engine and you would have problems getting into gears. > > an/listinfo/spridgets > > > > > Don't think so 'cuz "this isn't gear grinding on gear, it is as if something > is blocking the stick shift from moving forward into gear." If it were some > drag causing the input shaft to spin there would be considerable grinding of > gears when trying to engage first or reverse (neither of which has synchro.) > Hal From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 21 11:01:51 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:01:51 EST Subject: [Spridgets] More heads Message-ID: Yes,but less so with a standard or mild cam. In a message dated 20/01/2010 18:56:42 GMT Standard Time, mdrowe at optonline.net writes: Do I have to worry about high-lift rockers making valves hit a piston? From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 21 11:03:41 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:03:41 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Question Message-ID: To provide profitable service work for their dealers? The Ford SOHC pinto had an outboard belt driven cam. In a message dated 20/01/2010 21:56:48 GMT Standard Time, khargreaves2 at gmail.com writes: So why would Ferrari, as well as others, go with an outboard belt drive on their cams? From abcoz at hky.com Thu Jan 21 11:18:58 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: <37dc82d41001201336n689b9d85j165e60118003f828@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d41001201336n689b9d85j165e60118003f828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Re: Porsche's methods of cam drive. It should be noted that, on the engine which actually gave birth to the lore & legend of Porsche reliability, the cams were driven by a series of shafts & gears. These quad cam, four cylinder units required about 40 man hours to assemble! This was Porsche's war horse from approximately late 1954 through 1964, eventually being coaxed to produce 180 hp in Formula 1 trim. The flat 8 that replaced it (in F1) during the 1962 season also featured gear driven cams, as did subsequent developments of that engine, including those powering the 907, 908 & 917. The type 901 flat 6 engine, which first appeared in the replacement for the 356, featured a SOHC flat 6, with chain driven cams. This engine powered the 911 right up through the last model year to use air cooling and also powered the 911 competition cars along with some 904s, and the highly successful 906 racer. Porsche never hid the fact that they employed chain driven cams as a production cost saving measure and that 6 cyl unit consumed about 8 man hours to assemble. However, as anyone familiar with "street" 911s can tell you, Porsche had some "issues" with timing chain tensioner durability. The failures produced some pretty major engine damage, to say the least. They didn't get it completely cured until the late 70s or early 80s (and I keep hearing rumblings that it still isn't a fool-proof system). So, the way I see it, either form of cam drive (chains or belts) requires regular maintenance if you want complete reliability. The more frequently & tighter you wind 'em up, the more attention the cam drives require. My research (not the least bit scientific, I might ad) has indicated that tensioners, rather than belts or chains, are usually the cause of any failure. Gear drives, while arguably far more reliable, are certainly more expensive to produce, which is the main reason you don't see them spinning overhead cams on production car engines. Of course, for "pushrod" engines, gear driven valve trains are considered cost-feasible (think all air-cooled VWs). Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Question >A Porsche has it's cams driven by an internal chain. . the same as I think > about it as the straight 6 Jaguar engines hailing from the 1950's (and > possibly earlier). > > Many high end cars have their cams driven by an internal chain with a > tensioner which needs very little maintenance, if any, compared to an > outside belt drive. > > The Ferrari, and I am guessing the Lambo and other super high end cars > have > their cams driven by outboard belts . . which need to be changed out at > around 30k miles. > > With the Ferrari, I understand that it is a big process in that the engine > has to be pulled to change out the belts. I have read that it can cost up > to 10k to have the dealer change out the belts in a Ferrari. > > So why would Ferrari, as well as others, go with an outboard belt drive on > their cams? > > Is it because the system is lighter, gives a better response, or? I am > guessing that the thought is that outboard belt driven cams enhance > performance? > > Just a question that has been in my head for a while. . I never have heard > anyone explain the theory behind the out board belt as opposed to the > internal timing chain for driving cam shafts? > > > Kirk > Pushrod Drive 1275 From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 12:13:02 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <20100121174927.KL3SD.294274.root@hrndva-web27-z02> Message-ID: <1224046332.15423881264101182526.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Okay, I pulled off the lever cover and pulled the lever out. The cup under the lever and the spring below that are still in place ( I can push down on the lever and it pops back up like it was on a spring) in the transmission. I can move and see the cup move into each gear position but I still can not get it to move into reverse? Could something be blocking it? I will take another look with a flashlight. How much oil if any should I see below the cup? I don't think I see any but do not know for certain and I haven't seen any leakage. ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com To: "spridgets" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:49:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues could one of those small half moon shaped "dogs" dislodge itself in the tailshaft/linklage area while on end? Chris ---- Hal Faulkner wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Paul Herder wrote: > > > Here's my 2 cents (US). > > > > When you push in the clutch, the input shaft (with the clutch disc) is > > supposed to be disconnected from the spinning engine but if the input shaft > > is tight in the pilot bushing then it would be still spinning with the > > engine and you would have problems getting into gears. > > an/listinfo/spridgets > > > > > Don't think so 'cuz "this isn't gear grinding on gear, it is as if something > is blocking the stick shift from moving forward into gear." If it were some > drag causing the input shaft to spin there would be considerable grinding of > gears when trying to engage first or reverse (neither of which has synchro.) > Hal _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 12:24:07 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001211124o21084cd3qe6370193fd62f7f1@mail.gmail.com> The Mercury Capri 2 liter and 1.6 liter engines also had the SOHC driven by a belt. I've had several of those cars over the years and they were nearly bullet proof! Never had a problem as long as the belt was replaced at the proper interval. Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:03 PM, wrote: > To provide profitable service work for their dealers? The Ford SOHC pinto > had an outboard belt driven cam. > > In a message dated 20/01/2010 21:56:48 GMT Standard Time, > khargreaves2 at gmail.com writes: > > So why would Ferrari, as well as others, go with an outboard belt drive on > their cams? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Thu Jan 21 12:36:29 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:36:29 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Old Life Magazines & LBC's Message-ID: That's because she spoke in the singular rather than a pair? In a message dated 20/01/2010 21:27:29 GMT Standard Time, thcollin at mtu.edu writes: Deborah Scheibel, N.H. wrote that the author ". . .must be mad to let a garage mechanic touch one's most valued possession." [I'm thinking she's talking about a car here] From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 21 12:49:27 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:49:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <1224046332.15423881264101182526.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.west chester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <20100121174927.KL3SD.294274.root@hrndva-web27-z02> <1224046332.15423881264101182526.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <201001211149263.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> You shouldn't see oil, that's a foot below, or so. Can you feel the reverse lock-out? Peter = At 01:13 PM 1/21/2010, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote: >Okay, >I pulled off the lever cover and pulled the lever out. The cup under >the lever and the spring below that are still in place ( I can push >down on the lever and it pops back up like it was on a spring) in >the transmission. I can move and see the cup move into each gear >position but I still can not get it to move into reverse? Could >something be blocking it? I will take another look with a >flashlight. How much oil if any should I see below the cup? I don't >think I see any but do not know for certain and I haven't seen any leakage. >ryan From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 12:55:57 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <201001211149263.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <1952787851.15446281264103757110.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Found the problem! now how do I fix it? i shifted the car into first so i could see in. I found a loose spring about 1" long that i pulled out with a pair of tweezers. it was sitting on the right hand side of the tail shaft when sitting in the car. it was siting in the bottom covered in oil. should I keep looking for other pieces? After i pulled it out i still can't shift into reverse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: "ryan kubanoff" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:49:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues You shouldn't see oil, that's a foot below, or so. Can you feel the reverse lock-out? Peter = At 01:13 PM 1/21/2010, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote: >Okay, >I pulled off the lever cover and pulled the lever out. The cup under >the lever and the spring below that are still in place ( I can push >down on the lever and it pops back up like it was on a spring) in >the transmission. I can move and see the cup move into each gear >position but I still can not get it to move into reverse? Could >something be blocking it? I will take another look with a >flashlight. How much oil if any should I see below the cup? I don't >think I see any but do not know for certain and I haven't seen any leakage. >ryan From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 12:57:18 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <201001211149263.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <1921952042.15446901264103838554.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> where is the reverse lock out? and what does it feel like? 215-321-3027 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: "ryan kubanoff" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:49:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues You shouldn't see oil, that's a foot below, or so. Can you feel the reverse lock-out? Peter = At 01:13 PM 1/21/2010, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote: >Okay, >I pulled off the lever cover and pulled the lever out. The cup under >the lever and the spring below that are still in place ( I can push >down on the lever and it pops back up like it was on a spring) in >the transmission. I can move and see the cup move into each gear >position but I still can not get it to move into reverse? Could >something be blocking it? I will take another look with a >flashlight. How much oil if any should I see below the cup? I don't >think I see any but do not know for certain and I haven't seen any leakage. >ryan From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 13:42:20 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <1921952042.15446901264103838554.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <664839369.15471231264106540236.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> So it turns out that the spring and control shaft damper plunger on the spring retaining cap were/ are loose on the bottom of the remote casing. Now to fix it......uh frank help? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ryan kubanoff" To: "Peter Caldwell" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:57:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues where is the reverse lock out? and what does it feel like? 215-321-3027 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: "ryan kubanoff" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:49:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues You shouldn't see oil, that's a foot below, or so. Can you feel the reverse lock-out? Peter = At 01:13 PM 1/21/2010, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote: >Okay, >I pulled off the lever cover and pulled the lever out. The cup under >the lever and the spring below that are still in place ( I can push >down on the lever and it pops back up like it was on a spring) in >the transmission. I can move and see the cup move into each gear >position but I still can not get it to move into reverse? Could >something be blocking it? I will take another look with a >flashlight. How much oil if any should I see below the cup? I don't >think I see any but do not know for certain and I haven't seen any leakage. >ryan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From caws52803 at aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:25:19 2010 From: caws52803 at aol.com (caws52803 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:25:19 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol Message-ID: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> While watching the news today, there was a report that they are upping the percentage of Ethanol in gasoline. It is about 10% now and it will raise to 15%. He said that this was harmful to cars built before 2001. Anyone have any info on this? Rudy in NC From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Jan 21 16:56:28 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:56:28 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> References: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes; it dissolves more rubber, plastic and metal parts as the percentage goes up. ...bill in oregon ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of caws52803 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:25 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol While watching the news today, there was a report that they are upping the percentage of Ethanol in gasoline. It is about 10% now and it will raise to 15%. He said that this was harmful to cars built before 2001. Anyone have any info on this? Rudy in NC From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 16:59:04 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> References: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B58EA48.9050609@comcast.net> caws52803 at aol.com wrote: > While watching the news today, there was a report that they are upping the > percentage of Ethanol in gasoline. It is about 10% now and it will raise to > 15%. He said that this was harmful to cars built before 2001. Anyone have > any info on this? > > Rudy 10% melts fuel lines. New fuel lines will melt and clog your carbs in about 10 miles. Ask me how I know. But if you get decent fuel lines that withstand the Ethanol, you will not have any problems. German made fuel line works fine. Pep boys stuff melts. Other than that, we have no rubber carb parts to worry about in SUs. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 18:18:26 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:18:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 0-60 in ONE second Message-ID: <4B58FCE2.8080506@comcast.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtxfbxGz1u4&feature=related -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 18:33:10 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:33:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: <4B58EA48.9050609@comcast.net> References: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> <4B58EA48.9050609@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6760666471128164073@unknownmsgid> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2010, at 17:59, Frank wrote: > caws52803 at aol.com wrote: >> While watching the news today, there was a report that they are >> upping the percentage of Ethanol in gasoline. It is about 10% now >> and it will raise to 15%. He said that this was harmful to cars >> built before 2001. Anyone have any info on this? >> > Rudy > > 10% melts fuel lines. New fuel lines will melt and clog your carbs > in about 10 miles. > Ask me how I know. But if you get decent fuel lines that withstand > the Ethanol, you will not have any problems. > German made fuel line works fine. Pep boys stuff melts. > Other than that, we have no rubber carb parts to worry about in SUs. Unless you still have H1 carbs on your 948 which have rubber on the connection from the float chamber to the body of the carb. These will clog nicely with Stabil, too. David L From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Jan 21 18:45:57 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:45:57 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Valves Message-ID: <54B94216E9754B2AA7FB1D4634C6A0FC@Home> I realized today that I had not taken everything off of my head. It turns out that the intake rubber seals were in really good condition, not at all stiff or cracked, so this head may have been worked on fairly recently. Except for being badly gucked up with carbon, the valves appear to be in good condition as well, so maybe they are as new as the seals. I will use larger intake valves. Is there any reason to replace exhaust valves that appear to be good? How about valve guides? I have yet to find 1.4" intake valves with long collets. The catalogues show all 1275 engines with short collets. Does that matter? If so, who has big valves with long collets? So far, I have only found one machine shop near me that has equipment small enough to do my little engine. He did racing engines until the local drag strip closed down, so he should do well enough for my "warm" engine. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From dwoerpel at wi.net Thu Jan 21 21:45:09 2010 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel at wi.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: <6760666471128164073@unknownmsgid> References: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> <4B58EA48.9050609@comcast.net> <6760666471128164073@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <61326.173.111.83.121.1264135509.squirrel@wm.wi.net> Yup, know all about that David! Will the ethanol do anything to the plastic/nylon pick-up screen in the petrol tank? Dave W. > > On Jan 21, 2010, at 17:59, Frank wrote: > >> caws52803 at aol.com wrote: >>> While watching the news today, there was a report that they are >>> upping the percentage of Ethanol in gasoline. It is about 10% now >>> and it will raise to 15%. He said that this was harmful to cars >>> built before 2001. Anyone have any info on this? >>> >> Rudy >> >> 10% melts fuel lines. New fuel lines will melt and clog your carbs >> in about 10 miles. >> Ask me how I know. But if you get decent fuel lines that withstand >> the Ethanol, you will not have any problems. >> German made fuel line works fine. Pep boys stuff melts. >> Other than that, we have no rubber carb parts to worry about in SUs. > > Unless you still have H1 carbs on your 948 which have rubber on the > connection from the float chamber to the body of the carb. These will > clog nicely with Stabil, too. > David L From dwoerpel at wi.net Thu Jan 21 22:01:05 2010 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel at wi.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:01:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] 0-60 in ONE second In-Reply-To: <4B58FCE2.8080506@comcast.net> References: <4B58FCE2.8080506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <61486.173.111.83.121.1264136465.squirrel@wm.wi.net> ALMOST as fast as my stock Bugeye! Insane! DW > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtxfbxGz1u4&feature=related > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From redscirocco at hotmail.com Thu Jan 21 22:07:40 2010 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:07:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Any East Coast Skiers? Message-ID: It may seem like an odd off-topic question, but are there any listers who will be skiing at Mount Snow, VT, this winter? I have two complimentary lift tickets available that I would like to offer to the first lister who will arrange to pick them up from me here in Vermont. No blackout dates, no strings, I just want to promote the Mount Snow area to fellow LBC'ers. Please email me off-list for details. Cheers, -Mike Eldred '54 MG TF '71 Midget _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From mark at nashvilletn.org Thu Jan 21 22:21:30 2010 From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol References: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com><4B58EA48.9050609@comcast.net> <6760666471128164073@unknownmsgid> <61326.173.111.83.121.1264135509.squirrel@wm.wi.net> Message-ID: <127680A1B3894CFBB47679CFF8D69382@Dell9200> Recently I have been seeing signs at local (Nashville) stations advertising "Ethanol Free" gas. I have been using one Kwik Sak station for the last few months but now there are more showing up. Is there no Fed regulation for this or is it just a local thing? Is petrol cheaper than ethanol, the pure stuff is a few cents more but would be worth it. Anybody else have this option? Mark Nashville From jjj at acsnet.com Thu Jan 21 22:27:56 2010 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:27:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Re question (Hal) Message-ID: <2693.66.172.236.78.1264138076.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> As a fan of L series Datsun engine's I can attest to the fact that timing chain stretch on a overhead cam engine will significantly affect perfomance. Datsun had a system to easily reindex the cam to compensate for chain stretch and doing so could easily be felt in the "seat of the pants". Kurt. From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 23:12:40 2010 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:12:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: <127680A1B3894CFBB47679CFF8D69382@Dell9200> References: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com><4B58EA48.9050609@comcast.net> <6760666471128164073@unknownmsgid> <61326.173.111.83.121.1264135509.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <127680A1B3894CFBB47679CFF8D69382@Dell9200> Message-ID: <030935C7-2859-47CB-B497-18A5E7CA866B@gmail.com> Mark, We have a similar situation here in Eastern Pennsylvania. I use ethanol free in the Midgets. I got tired of chasing blocked up fuel systems. I changed all the hoses on 3 Midgets after having the inside degrade very quickly, (within hours of filling up). All the cars had new black fuel line (sold at NAPA) rated for fuel injection. All degraded from the inside. I took Frank's advice a year ago and used the VW fuel line. No problems since. Kevin Tuscarora, Pa On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:21 AM, Mark wrote: > Recently I have been seeing signs at local (Nashville) stations > advertising > "Ethanol Free" gas. > Anybody else have this > option? From conen at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 22 00:03:04 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:03:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] question Message-ID: <703771.78568.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> per Kurt... >>As a fan of L series Datsun engine's Good on ya, Kurt! I loved the L16 in a 510. :-) Ed in NC From conen at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 22 00:00:43 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:00:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject) Message-ID: <200441.39861.qm@web180210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> per Jim Johnson... >The Mercury Capri 2 liter and 1.6 liter engines also had the SOHC driven by a belt. Uhh... U.S. 1.6 liter engines were pushrod type. (I loved both of these engines!) Ed in NC :-) From fastvee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 06:16:08 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:16:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: <030935C7-2859-47CB-B497-18A5E7CA866B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <471807.98613.qm@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The new Royce brand jets I got from Peter use a fabric covered hose that needs to be cut to length, and it looks just like the VW fuel hose. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Kevin Valentine wrote: I took Frank's advice a year ago and used the VW fuel line. No problems since. Kevin Tuscarora, Pa From fastvee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 06:33:53 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:33:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Re question (Hal) In-Reply-To: <2693.66.172.236.78.1264138076.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: <827364.39972.qm@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In the early 80's H Production 948 engines had to retain the single row timing chain, and I learned how quickly they wore out. On the first engine I used one for 5 races before investigating why it felt flat and ultimately found the cam timing retarded 2-3 degrees from where we set it on the dyno. Later we could upgrade to the double row chain which lasted longer. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Fri, 1/22/10, jjj at acsnet.com wrote: From: jjj at acsnet.com Subject: [Spridgets] Re question (Hal) To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 12:27 AM As a fan of L series Datsun engine's I can attest to the fact that timing chain stretch on a overhead cam engine will significantly affect perfomance. Datsun had a system to easily reindex the cam to compensate for chain stretch and doing so could easily be felt in the "seat of the pants". Kurt. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jdinnis at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 07:45:48 2010 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:45:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> References: <15318.79775fa.388a3c5f@aol.com> Message-ID: Another thing to remember about ethanol is that it burns leaner than gasoline. While a modern EFI engine can compensate with O2 sensor trim, older carb cars can't. Leaner can result in higher combustion temps, and detonation if your ignition timing is too far advanced. The iron heads on older cars are an issue, as are any sort of air-cooled engine on a lawn mower or motorcycle or such. They are not as good at getting rid of the excess heat as an aluminum head. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM, wrote: > While watching the news today, there was a report that they are upping the > percentage of Ethanol in gasoline. It is about 10% now and it will raise to > 15%. He said that this was harmful to cars built before 2001. Anyone have > any info on this? > > Rudy in NC > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as jdinnis at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 08:24:28 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:24:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness Message-ID: <429753.23798.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My turn signals will not work if my lights are on. Lights off, they work fine. What's up with that?? From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 09:23:45 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:23:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <429753.23798.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <429753.23798.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001220823k6c49ff9byf59cdbf9ecbd3318@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Edward Perez wrote: > My turn signals will not work if my lights are on. Lights off, they work fine. What's up with that?? Sounds as if it could be a ground on one of the turn signals. Turn just your parking lights on and verify the problem is there, then wlak around the car and see if any of the lights are glowing on both filaments. If so, check the grounding at that light. David L From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 09:39:40 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:39:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <402188521001220823k6c49ff9byf59cdbf9ecbd3318@mail.gmail.com> References: <429753.23798.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001220823k6c49ff9byf59cdbf9ecbd3318@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <399529.44179.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will do...thanks, David. ________________________________ From: David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> To: Edward Perez Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:23:45 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Edward Perez wrote: > My turn signals will not work if my lights are on. Lights off, they work fine. What's up with that?? Sounds as if it could be a ground on one of the turn signals. Turn just your parking lights on and verify the problem is there, then wlak around the car and see if any of the lights are glowing on both filaments. If so, check the grounding at that light. David L From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 09:45:52 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:45:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L Message-ID: <450051.19285.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On a recent trip to Moscow (yes, Russia), I picked up several HD Shirts (pirate copies because the authentic ones were over $80!!). Still a pretty cool T-Shirt. I have one left. It is FREE to the first respondent to this email!! You MUST own a Harley.....!! No fibbing. I figure RREngineer has all the fun with the train stuff, so why not! From peter at nosimport.com Fri Jan 22 09:52:37 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:52:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <402188521001220823k6c49ff9byf59cdbf9ecbd3318@mail.gmail.co m> References: <429753.23798.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001220823k6c49ff9byf59cdbf9ecbd3318@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001220852125.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> At 10:23 AM 1/22/2010, David Lieb wrote: > then wlak >around the car and see if any of the lights are glowing on both >filaments. I did that last night and sbutted my toe.... and *I* was wearing shoes! From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 10:06:37 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:06:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <201001220852125.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <429753.23798.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188521001220823k6c49ff9byf59cdbf9ecbd3318@mail.gmail.com> <201001220852125.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <402188521001220906p4507bf23se9b7e740d716600e@mail.gmail.com> > I did that last night and sbutted my toe.... > and *I* was wearing shoes! So, did you learn not to wear shoes yet? Some people are such slow learners ;-) BTW, I did pedal to work today, and no, I did not wear shoes. David L From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 22 10:39:48 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:39:48 EST Subject: [Spridgets] 0-60 in ONE second Message-ID: Does he have a set of treaded tyres for street use??? And, how much does that drop the 0-60 time?? In a message dated 22/01/2010 01:45:12 GMT Standard Time, spritenut at comcast.net writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtxfbxGz1u4&feature=related -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Fri Jan 22 11:20:33 2010 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:20:33 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness Message-ID: <46ad01ca9b8f$960ddd00$116a010a@mail2world.com> I guess spring come early in Chicago... Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: David Lieb [72spridget at gmail.com] Sent: 1/22/2010 12:06:37 PM To: peter at nosimport.com Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness > I did that last night and sbutted my toe.... > and *I* was wearing shoes! So, did you learn not to wear shoes yet? Some people are such slow learners ;-) BTW, I did pedal to work today, and no, I did not wear shoes. David L _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets . From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 11:25:14 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:25:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L In-Reply-To: <942276.9941.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <942276.9941.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <727840.97404.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's ironical that RREngineer was the first to respond and own a Harley! ________________________________ From: David Booker To: Edward Perez Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:22:26 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L I have a Sportster... - David --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Edward Perez wrote: >From: Edward Perez >Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L >To: Spridgets at autox.team.net >Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 10:45 AM > > >On a recent trip to Moscow (yes, Russia), I picked up several HD Shirts (pirate copies because the authentic ones were over $80!!). Still a pretty cool T-Shirt. I have one left. It is FREE to the first respondent to this email!! You MUST own a Harley.....!! No fibbing. > >I figure RREngineer has all the fun with the train stuff, so why not! > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 22 11:33:39 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:33:39 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol Message-ID: The one thing I'd be thinking about is enrichening the mixture in proportion to the amount going into the petrol. Weslake-Monza 1330 From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 22 11:35:33 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:35:33 EST Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness Message-ID: Trainers or boots? In a message dated 22/01/2010 17:25:49 GMT Standard Time, 72spridget at gmail.com writes: So, did you learn not to wear shoes yet? Some people are such slow learners ;-) BTW, I did pedal to work today, and no, I did not wear shoes. David L From nases at verizon.net Fri Jan 22 11:41:30 2010 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:41:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L In-Reply-To: <450051.19285.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <450051.19285.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do Harley mirrors count? Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Edward Perez wrote: > On a recent trip to Moscow (yes, Russia), I picked up several HD Shirts (pirate copies because the authentic ones were over $80!!). Still a pretty cool T-Shirt. I have one left. It is FREE to the first respondent to this email!! You MUST own a Harley.....!! No fibbing. > > I figure RREngineer has all the fun with the train stuff, so why not! > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as nases at verizon.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 11:47:38 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:47:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> Trainers or boots? Heck no. Genuine Brazilian Havaianas like these: Https://www.2hotbrazil.com/v2/product/havaianas-men-brazil-flip-flops-2228.cfm David L From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 11:49:18 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:49:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> References: <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <402188521001221049x8ab9049qb4f594d5c0a9c4d8@mail.gmail.com> After all, it WAS a balmy 33F this morning for a change. David L From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 22 12:01:21 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:01:21 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L In-Reply-To: <727840.97404.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <942276.9941.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <727840.97404.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I guess now we'll find out if he re-gifts! :) Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:25:14 -0800 > From: eap2140 at yahoo.com > > It's ironical that RREngineer was the first to respond and own a Harley! > > >From: Edward Perez > > > > > >On a recent trip to Moscow (yes, Russia), I picked up several HD Shirts (pirate copies because the authentic ones were over $80!!). Still a pretty cool T-Shirt. I have one left. It is FREE to the first respondent to this email!! You MUST own a Harley.....!! No fibbing. > > > >I figure RREngineer has all the fun with the train stuff, so why not! From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 22 12:08:28 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:08:28 EST Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - MP3 track by Splodgenessabounds Message-ID: Don't know if Splodgnessabounds every made it as far as the USA? Anyhow I'm looking for an MP3 track without buying a whole album, to entertain the kids. The track I'm after was a B side (for those that don't know what a B side is it's the other side of the 45rpm disc..). The track is called: Michael Booth's talking bum (he had the only talking bum in the land) It's way up their with Mr Hankey but less well known. Any links where I can just buy this one track, or does anyone have it? Thanks Weslake-Monza 1330 From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 22 12:11:10 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:11:10 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> References: , <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I think we just crashed their server! > Heck no. Genuine Brazilian Havaianas like these: > Https://www.2hotbrazil.com/v2/product/havaianas-men-brazil-flip-flops-2228.cf m > David L From peter at nosimport.com Fri Jan 22 12:27:59 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:27:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Aridzona? Message-ID: <201001221128526.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Bet they wish they had an Amphicar at auction THIS year! PPP From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 12:55:15 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:55:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001221155q65b8679dq2c68781b37512bc@mail.gmail.com> Ethanol / gasoline blends were ubiquitous in Nebraska back in the 70s and I was using them in my BMW motorcycles frequently. The procedure was to very slightly advance the timing for the ethanol blends. We found that a richer mixture didn't help much. Cheers!! Jim On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:33 PM, wrote: > The one thing I'd be thinking about is enrichening the mixture in > proportion to the amount going into the petrol. > > Weslake-Monza 1330 From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 22 12:57:16 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:57:16 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Ethanol Message-ID: Myabe not Jim but you were effectively running a leaner mixture. In a message dated 22/01/2010 19:55:16 GMT Standard Time, bmwwxman at gmail.com writes: Ethanol / gasoline blends were ubiquitous in Nebraska back in the 70s and I was using them in my BMW motorcycles frequently. The procedure was to very slightly advance the timing for the ethanol blends. We found that a richer mixture didn't help much. Cheers!! Jim On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:33 PM, <_weslakemonza1330 at aol.com_ (mailto:weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) > wrote: The one thing I'd be thinking about is enrichening the mixture in proportion to the amount going into the petrol. Weslake-Monza 1330 From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 12:58:42 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:58:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Aridzona? In-Reply-To: <201001221128526.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <201001221128526.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <785368.91558.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With snow tires and/or chains..... ________________________________ From: Peter Caldwell To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:27:59 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Aridzona? Bet they wish they had an Amphicar at auction THIS year! PPP Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dwgwater at hotmail.com Fri Jan 22 13:00:43 2010 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:00:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - MP3 track by Splodgenessabounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Getting close......can't listen as I'm at work, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV2bL7j3mq4 and http://www.myspace.com/splodgetheband > From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:08:28 -0500 > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - MP3 track by Splodgenessabounds > > Don't know if Splodgnessabounds every made it as far as the USA? Anyhow > I'm looking for an MP3 track without buying a whole album, to entertain the > kids. The track I'm after was a B side (for those that don't know what a B > side is it's the other side of the 45rpm disc..). The track is called: > > Michael Booth's talking bum (he had the only talking bum in the land) > > It's way up their with Mr Hankey but less well known. > > Any links where I can just buy this one track, or does anyone have it? > > Thanks > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dwgwater at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 13:01:25 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:01:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L In-Reply-To: <727840.97404.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <942276.9941.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <727840.97404.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001221201y43ca3c0cid52d75d54d9d9223@mail.gmail.com> Recently I stopped at a Harley shop with a friend who rides one (I have always had BMWs). When he bought a few parts I learned the true meaning of the acronym "HD". It isn't Harley Davidson. It's Hundred Dollars. ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Edward Perez wrote: > It's ironical that RREngineer was the first to respond and own a Harley! From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 13:46:14 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:46:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: References: <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <402188521001221246qb0a2b99qb714747cec2bcd61@mail.gmail.com> > I think we just crashed their server! No, I just left out an "s". Sorry. https://www.2hotbrazil.com/v2/product/havaianas-mens-brazil-flip-flops-2228.cfm http://tinyurl.com/ylepfqo Just warning you that some might find the home page of the sight to be not work safe... David L From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 14:14:04 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <402188521001221246qb0a2b99qb714747cec2bcd61@mail.gmail.com> References: <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> <402188521001221246qb0a2b99qb714747cec2bcd61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <820521.85357.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those are the best looking ....uh.....sandals I've ever seen!! ________________________________ From: David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> To: Spridgets Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 12:46:14 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness > I think we just crashed their server! No, I just left out an "s". Sorry. https://www.2hotbrazil.com/v2/product/havaianas-mens-brazil-flip-flops-2228.cfm http://tinyurl.com/ylepfqo Just warning you that some might find the home page of the sight to be not work safe... David L Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lists at dinospider.com Fri Jan 22 14:29:57 2010 From: lists at dinospider.com (mike rambour) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:29:57 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001221201y43ca3c0cid52d75d54d9d9223@mail.gmail.com> References: <942276.9941.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <727840.97404.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001221201y43ca3c0cid52d75d54d9d9223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1264195797.19076.216.camel@WebBrowser> Wait a minute now, I hate Hardley's as much as the next guy but BMW stands for Bring Money Wheelbarrow so a HD is cheaper, its the HD underwear and socks that are expensive Mike (who has to be careful what he says about BMW's there is a 09 R1200RT calling his name at the dealer and I even like the color) On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 14:01 -0600, Jim Johnson wrote: > Recently I stopped at a Harley shop with a friend who rides one (I have > always had BMWs). When he bought a few parts I learned the true meaning of > the acronym "HD". > It isn't Harley Davidson. It's Hundred Dollars. ;-) > > Cheers!! > Jim From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Jan 22 16:00:14 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:00:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Free HD Moscow T-Shirt, SZ L In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001221201y43ca3c0cid52d75d54d9d9223@mail.gmail.com> References: <942276.9941.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <727840.97404.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43840a7e1001221201y43ca3c0cid52d75d54d9d9223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5A2DFE.7040805@comcast.net> Jim Johnson wrote: > I learned the true meaning of the acronym "HD". > It isn't Harley Davidson. It's Hundred Dollars. ;-) > Hey I have an HD now Hon-Duh But it is soon to be Soave's H-D And it runs great, stops on a dime, and has a new piston. (Big Bore kit) All for under a hundred dollars Including a parts bike! ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From dwoerpel at wi.net Fri Jan 22 17:41:16 2010 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:41:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No Lbc but a another reason to carry duct tape Message-ID: <4B5A45AC.3070900@wi.net> Red Green would be proud! I want to fly with this guy! Looks like something Capt. Bob would have come up with! ;-) http://www.aviationprofessionals.org/2009/10/bear-attack-duct-tape-wins-again.html Dave W. From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 07:27:01 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:27:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No Lbc but a another reason to carry duct tape In-Reply-To: <4B5A45AC.3070900@wi.net> References: <4B5A45AC.3070900@wi.net> Message-ID: <205cef431001230627x717dc0cer2e999d548559146b@mail.gmail.com> Dave, Great article thanks. Yea always keep a roll in your vehicle ; ) On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Woerpel wrote: > Red Green would be proud! I want to fly with this guy! > Looks like something Capt. Bob would have come up with! ;-) > > > http://www.aviationprofessionals.org/2009/10/bear-attack-duct-tape-wins-again.html > > Dave W. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 07:36:34 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:36:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Aridzona? In-Reply-To: <785368.91558.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201001221128526.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> <785368.91558.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <205cef431001230636h47ebedf5i3d49dc23857cf8c5@mail.gmail.com> Yes what a soaker! I LOVE THAT SHOW! I sure wish they had more LBC's on the small scale ; ) And speaking of brand they rarely have a vintage VW bus although one sold last year for over 40K too bad I missed it. Lin On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Edward Perez wrote: > With snow tires and/or chains..... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Peter Caldwell > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:27:59 AM > Subject: [Spridgets] Aridzona? > > Bet they wish they had an Amphicar at auction THIS year! > > PPP > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 08:07:31 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:07:31 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Old Life Magazines & LBC's In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$7sdgnb@email.mtu.edu> References: <87d2rg$7sdgnb@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <205cef431001230707u7cf95266xdbbc9bf276499bab@mail.gmail.com> Tim how do you search for articles in magazines? I tried to do a search on that site for hot rod magazine and other car magazines but only got books : ( Lin On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tim Collins wrote: > I was going through Google Books today looking for Sprite, Midget, BMC, etc > advertisements in the pages of Life magazine. I found a few neat ones > including one with Donald H. in an advertisement for Lord Calvert - Men of > Distinction. > > Evidently an article about sports cars (Farthest-Gone Motorists, LIFE Mar > 28, 1960) was published in Life which brought several funny (funny today) > letters to the editor. Here's one. > > LIFE April 18, 1960 > Having spent more than four years in a service station, I feel somewhat > qualified to cast an opinion about sports car owners. > These guys were a pain in the neck. Tires had to be at 25 pounds 6 > ounces, or some other microscopically accurate reading. Gas and oil > consumption was faithfully logged in tine black book. Invariably, I did not > have in stock the type of oil that they used. > They would stand over me to see if I spilled any fuel--the purpose being > to deduct from the mileage computations and to wipe it up so the paint > wouldn't stain. > After all this, they would announce to all the latest miles-per-gallon > figure and roar out of the pump island. > My reaction was always a heartfelt goodby. > Noel D. Harman > Manhattan Beach, Calif. > > Hey, I resemble those remarks, except my book is BLUE!! LOL > > Another indignant writer, T.R.Young (female?? from Maine), wrote how to > properly get into an Austin Healey - even with bags of groceries in hand. > > Deborah Scheibel, N.H. wrote that the author ". . .must be mad to let a > garage mechanic touch one's most valued possession." [I'm thinking she's > talking about a car here] > > Anyway, it is fun reading to find old ad's about our cars. Check them out. > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Jan 23 08:20:46 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:20:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget Message-ID: Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. Larry Proud Opa (second time) Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 23 08:53:51 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:53:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4084E2B5AA2246988D8C21621A9B22AF@spider> Larry is a fine name. Congratulations to the whole family. ...bill in oregon ========================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Macy Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:21 AM To: Spridgets net Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. Larry Proud Opa (second time) Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Jan 23 09:06:04 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:06:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <4084E2B5AA2246988D8C21621A9B22AF@spider> References: <4084E2B5AA2246988D8C21621A9B22AF@spider> Message-ID: <4E313F65-268E-464D-9D6E-AD8461D13252@phillymgclub.com> Well, actually her name is CaeLyn Abigael Liebel. But it did look like I suggested the name was Larry :-) Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone On Jan 23, 2010, at 10:53, wrote: > Larry is a fine name. Congratulations to the whole family. ...bill in > oregon > ========================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Macy > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:21 AM > To: Spridgets net > Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget > > Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. > > Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. > > Larry > Proud Opa (second time) > > Larry Macy, Ph.D > 78 Midget > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 23 09:14:09 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:14:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <4E313F65-268E-464D-9D6E-AD8461D13252@phillymgclub.com> References: <4084E2B5AA2246988D8C21621A9B22AF@spider> <4E313F65-268E-464D-9D6E-AD8461D13252@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: CaeLyn is a lot better for a girl. (The meaning of the name Kaelyn is Pure; origin of the name is American. Alternate spellings: Kaylan, Kalen, Kalynn; form of Cailin) ============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Larry Macy [mailto:lmacy at phillymgclub.com] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:06 AM To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget Well, actually her name is CaeLyn Abigael Liebel. But it did look like I suggested the name was Larry :-) Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 09:16:25 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:16:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001230816v417ffaccw9f2cbdead0987f13@mail.gmail.com> Congtrats, Gramps! Hopefully the little one will be spared any physical resemblance to Grandpa Larry..... ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Larry Macy wrote: > Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. > > Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. > > Larry > Proud Opa (second time) > > Larry Macy, Ph.D > 78 Midget > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with > people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin From thcollin at mtu.edu Sat Jan 23 09:28:29 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:28:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Old Life Magazines & LBC's In-Reply-To: <205cef431001230707u7cf95266xdbbc9bf276499bab@mail.gmail.co m> References: <87d2rg$7sdgnb@email.mtu.edu> <205cef431001230707u7cf95266xdbbc9bf276499bab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87d2rg$7t19of@email.mtu.edu> Lin, I use the "advanced search" option to enter the keywords and to select the date range (no sense searching for Spridgets in the 1930"s). Then I can narrow my search to certain magazines or books, but I usually choose not to do that - I want to see them all. When the results comes back most will say that the reference only provides a "snippet" but others like LIFE and Popular Mechanics/Science usually give the whole article. For those that only provide a "snippet" you may be able to get the whole article from your local library or through Inter Library Loan services. Try a college or university library if available if your local neighborhood library is small. I'm not sure if Hot Rod magazines are included in the database. You will find odd sources of info. I was surprised to find Spridget info in "Kiplingers" You can kill alot of time looking at the articles! I like the advertisement from LIFE, June 6, 1961, that describes a Sprite as; "It's a frisky, audacious little rascal that roars like a lion and pivots like a cat!" This must be where the connection to cats on this list comes from. LOL At 10:07 AM 1/23/2010, Linda Grunthaner wrote: >Tim how do you search for articles in magazines? I tried to do a >search on that site for hot rod magazine and other car magazines but >only got books : ( >Lin Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From eap2140 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 09:41:08 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:41:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <344806.40546.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> congrats, gramps! ________________________________ From: Larry Macy To: Spridgets net Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 7:20:46 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. Larry Proud Opa (second time) Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 09:42:08 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. Message-ID: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> List, I am putting Pinky on jack stands in a few hrs to finally rid myself of that fuel problem once and for all. I will use compressed air to clear the fuel line and use a nylon tie on one end along with an old pair of nylons (cool girl tools) to see what comes out. Then I will consider removing the tank if necessary after I check the lines. Needs: My youtube of Franks Ladybug which I can't find via my youtube account. Photos or info of the jack stand points for a sprite I'll check Frank's Ladybug. My Holy Sprite video shows Holy Sprite jacks are under the rear leaf spring connections? Correct me if wrong and a heavy duty bucket under the metal plate up front but I will use 2 stands. Where should I put them? Tips on gas tank removal so I don't break any parts that are unobtainable, like that threaded tip. Thanks Guys/Gals, Lin From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Jan 23 09:51:34 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001230816v417ffaccw9f2cbdead0987f13@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001230816v417ffaccw9f2cbdead0987f13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For what is worth. I am not gramps, I am Opa!!! Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:16, Jim Johnson wrote: > Congtrats, Gramps! Hopefully the little one will be spared any > physical > resemblance to Grandpa Larry..... ;-) > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Larry Macy > wrote: > >> Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about >> 9:30. >> >> Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. >> >> Larry >> Proud Opa (second time) >> >> Larry Macy, Ph.D >> 78 Midget >> >> Keep your top down and your chin up. >> >> "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with >> people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dwoerpel at wi.net Sat Jan 23 09:56:25 2010 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:56:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5B2A39.7010207@wi.net> CONGRATULATIONS! All the best to Kristi and the growing family! I'll raise a pint to that! You know, if you changed the "e" to an "r", you'd have an iteration of Carlin...just sayin'. ;-) I'm thinkin' one of those crib baby mobiles like Fisher-Price makes but with the different models of Spridgets hanging from it would be an appropriate present from Opa. Anyone on the list make wooden toys? Dave W. Larry Macy wrote: > Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. > > Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. > > Larry > Proud Opa (second time) > > Larry Macy, Ph.D > 78 Midget > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with > people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin > > Sent via iPhone From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 10:10:25 2010 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:10:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <370498.53685.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congrats Larry. Enjoy. So you're now looking for a pedal car to restore too? David Booker Long Island From breton48 at live.com Sat Jan 23 10:19:39 2010 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:19:39 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: References: <43840a7e1001230816v417ffaccw9f2cbdead0987f13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Larry wrote: For what is worth. I am not gramps, I am Opa!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ Well, OPA, CONGRATUALTIONS! JLC in Colorado From biffjones at verizon.net Sat Jan 23 10:33:03 2010 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Midget References: Message-ID: CONGRATULATIONS, Opa! All the best to Kristi and Lambert and the growing clan! Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite in the "Healey Book" http://sprites2.homestead.com/ [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From kentmclean at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 10:42:38 2010 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:42:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - MP3 track by Splodgenessabounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5B350E.7060309@comcast.net> weslakemonza1330 wrote: > Michael Booth's talking bum (he had the only talking bum in the land) Ace Ventura not good enough for them? Here's the Splodgenessabounds video: To get the MP3, there's a link on the right side of the page: "Convert Video2mp3: Convert & Download as MP3 (HQ)" The link will convert it, then you have to save the converted MP3 to your computer. -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From pchast at francomm.com Sat Jan 23 10:51:44 2010 From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:51:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <4B5B2A39.7010207@wi.net> References: <4B5B2A39.7010207@wi.net> Message-ID: I do often..... They are not 'safe certified' by the new law so I don't do anything for sale. I've given some to family. Pete On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:56:25 -0500, Woerpel wrote: > > CONGRATULATIONS! All the best to Kristi and the growing family! I'll > raise a pint to that! You know, if you changed the "e" to an "r", you'd > have an iteration of Carlin...just sayin'. ;-) > I'm thinkin' one of those crib baby mobiles like Fisher-Price makes but > with the different models of Spridgets hanging from it would be an > appropriate present from Opa. Anyone on the list make wooden toys? > > Dave W. > > > > Larry Macy wrote: >> Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. >> >> Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. >> >> Larry >> Proud Opa (second time) >> >> Larry Macy, Ph.D >> 78 Midget >> >> Keep your top down and your chin up. >> >> "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with >> people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin >> >> Sent via iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pchast at francomm.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From abcoz at hky.com Sat Jan 23 10:55:09 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. In-Reply-To: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15ED77108D4F420BBFF4B239E38E2B4C@OwnerPC> Lin, Just be really careful of gasoline fumes in confined spaces this time of year. Lots of static charge in the air, plus the gasoline vapors tend to stay concentrated right above floor level. Potentially very volatile and, obviously, very dangerous. Watch your step, kid ;) Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. > List, > I am putting Pinky on jack stands in a few hrs to finally rid myself of > that > fuel problem once and for all. I will use compressed air to clear the fuel > line and use a nylon tie on one end along with an old pair of nylons (cool > girl tools) to see what comes out. Then I will consider removing the tank > if > necessary after I check the lines. > > Needs: > My youtube of Franks Ladybug which I can't find via my youtube account. > > Photos or info of the jack stand points for a sprite I'll check Frank's > Ladybug. My Holy Sprite video shows Holy Sprite jacks are under the rear > leaf spring connections? Correct me if wrong and a heavy duty bucket under > the metal plate up front but I will use 2 stands. Where should I put them? > > Tips on gas tank removal so I don't break any parts that are unobtainable, > like that threaded tip. > > Thanks Guys/Gals, > Lin From pchast at francomm.com Sat Jan 23 11:35:07 2010 From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:35:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. In-Reply-To: <15ED77108D4F420BBFF4B239E38E2B4C@OwnerPC> References: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> <15ED77108D4F420BBFF4B239E38E2B4C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: On the frame in front of the engine and under the leaf spring attachments. As cold as it is I'd ventilate that garage often if not constantly. Luck, Pete On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:55:09 -0500, Bud Osbourne wrote: > > Lin, > Just be really careful of gasoline fumes in confined spaces this time of > year. Lots of static charge in the air, plus the gasoline vapors tend > to stay concentrated right above floor level. Potentially very volatile > and, obviously, very dangerous. Watch your step, kid ;) > Bud Osbourne > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" > > To: "Spridget list" > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:42 AM > Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug > youtube I made. > > >> List, >> I am putting Pinky on jack stands in a few hrs to finally rid myself of >> that >> fuel problem once and for all. I will use compressed air to clear the >> fuel >> line and use a nylon tie on one end along with an old pair of nylons >> (cool >> girl tools) to see what comes out. Then I will consider removing the >> tank if >> necessary after I check the lines. >> >> Needs: >> My youtube of Franks Ladybug which I can't find via my youtube account. >> >> Photos or info of the jack stand points for a sprite I'll check Frank's >> Ladybug. My Holy Sprite video shows Holy Sprite jacks are under the rear >> leaf spring connections? Correct me if wrong and a heavy duty bucket >> under >> the metal plate up front but I will use 2 stands. Where should I put >> them? >> >> Tips on gas tank removal so I don't break any parts that are >> unobtainable, >> like that threaded tip. >> >> Thanks Guys/Gals, >> Lin > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pchast at francomm.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 12:11:30 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] [Philly_MG_Club] New member In-Reply-To: <4500ECF5-CFE3-4E1C-9B7E-6983E0922986@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: <1193706117.16268341264273890182.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Congrats to Lambert, Kristi, and big sister Wynter from the Kubanoff's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Macy" To: "Philly MG Club" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:18:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Philly_MG_Club] New member Kristi gave birth to a new MG driver this morning at about 9:30. Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic ( 1 ) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Start a New Topic Visit the Philadelphia MG Club Website http://phillymgclub.com Submit info for the website to lmacy at mac.com, bandwmoyer at verizon.net Add photos to the Yahoo site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Philly_MG_Club/ You can also add Calendar items (so I don't have to do it all the time ;-) Thanks Larry B. Macy Moderator MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only , Daily Digest b" Unsubscribe b" Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 12:15:46 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:15:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. In-Reply-To: References: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> <15ED77108D4F420BBFF4B239E38E2B4C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <205cef431001231115v128570cbq9a344d6eac7fb808@mail.gmail.com> thanks guys don't worry I'm doing it in the drive way. PITA for the jacking in the rear, I want a real lift ; ) On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Pete Chast wrote: > On the frame in front of the engine and under the leaf spring attachments. > As cold as it is I'd ventilate that garage often if not constantly. > > Luck, > Pete > > > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:55:09 -0500, Bud Osbourne wrote: > > >> Lin, >> Just be really careful of gasoline fumes in confined spaces this time of >> year. Lots of static charge in the air, plus the gasoline vapors tend to >> stay concentrated right above floor level. Potentially very volatile and, >> obviously, very dangerous. Watch your step, kid ;) >> Bud Osbourne >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" < >> grunthaner at gmail.com> >> To: "Spridget list" >> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:42 AM >> Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug >> youtube I made. >> >> >> List, >>> I am putting Pinky on jack stands in a few hrs to finally rid myself of >>> that >>> fuel problem once and for all. I will use compressed air to clear the >>> fuel >>> line and use a nylon tie on one end along with an old pair of nylons >>> (cool >>> girl tools) to see what comes out. Then I will consider removing the tank >>> if >>> necessary after I check the lines. >>> >>> Needs: >>> My youtube of Franks Ladybug which I can't find via my youtube account. >>> >>> Photos or info of the jack stand points for a sprite I'll check Frank's >>> Ladybug. My Holy Sprite video shows Holy Sprite jacks are under the rear >>> leaf spring connections? Correct me if wrong and a heavy duty bucket >>> under >>> the metal plate up front but I will use 2 stands. Where should I put >>> them? >>> >>> Tips on gas tank removal so I don't break any parts that are >>> unobtainable, >>> like that threaded tip. >>> >>> Thanks Guys/Gals, >>> Lin >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as pchast at francomm.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From nases at verizon.net Sat Jan 23 12:21:50 2010 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:21:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. In-Reply-To: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Lin. On my bugeye I usually put the rear stands under the spring box (front of the spring). The front stands can go under the two longitudinal frame rails near the front of the engine. Be careful in the front not to crush a fuel or brake line between the frame and stand. With the rear stands under the spring boxes it will let the rear axle housing to hang down a bit giving you better access to the gas tank hard line fitting. You'll want to preserve the fitting and hard line out of the gas tank. At least enough of it to clamp a new rubber fuel line on it if needed. If you're lucky some compressed air into the tank may clear the line. I had a similar problem and that did the trick for me. I kept the pressure pretty low before blowing it in there. I then put a fuel filter in front of my electric fuel pump. Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > List, > I am putting Pinky on jack stands in a few hrs to finally rid myself of that > fuel problem once and for all. I will use compressed air to clear the fuel > line and use a nylon tie on one end along with an old pair of nylons (cool > girl tools) to see what comes out. Then I will consider removing the tank if > necessary after I check the lines. > > Needs: > My youtube of Franks Ladybug which I can't find via my youtube account. > > Photos or info of the jack stand points for a sprite I'll check Frank's > Ladybug. My Holy Sprite video shows Holy Sprite jacks are under the rear > leaf spring connections? Correct me if wrong and a heavy duty bucket under > the metal plate up front but I will use 2 stands. Where should I put them? > > Tips on gas tank removal so I don't break any parts that are unobtainable, > like that threaded tip. > > Thanks Guys/Gals, > Lin > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as nases at verizon.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 12:57:34 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:57:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues References: <664839369.15471231264106540236.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1A9C1F6BAA4A4351B131E34CC4CCDCE2@blackbox2> Last we heard the problem was diagnosed. Is the car now shifting OK? From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 13:12:36 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. In-Reply-To: References: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef431001231212n5703abf2q15f216ff103e71d8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks guys she is now jacked up there is zero rubber line back there so I'll give a blast of air now. Lin On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Phil Nase wrote: > Hey Lin. > > On my bugeye I usually put the rear stands under the spring box (front of > the spring). The front stands can go under the two longitudinal frame rails > near the front of the engine. Be careful in the front not to crush a fuel > or brake line between the frame and stand. > > With the rear stands under the spring boxes it will let the rear axle > housing to hang down a bit giving you better access to the gas tank hard > line fitting. > > You'll want to preserve the fitting and hard line out of the gas tank. At > least enough of it to clamp a new rubber fuel line on it if needed. > > If you're lucky some compressed air into the tank may clear the line. I > had a similar problem and that did the trick for me. I kept the pressure > pretty low before blowing it in there. I then put a fuel filter in front of > my electric fuel pump. > > Phil Nase > Quakertown, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ > > > > On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > > > List, > > I am putting Pinky on jack stands in a few hrs to finally rid myself of > that > > fuel problem once and for all. I will use compressed air to clear the > fuel > > line and use a nylon tie on one end along with an old pair of nylons > (cool > > girl tools) to see what comes out. Then I will consider removing the tank > if > > necessary after I check the lines. > > > > Needs: > > My youtube of Franks Ladybug which I can't find via my youtube account. > > > > Photos or info of the jack stand points for a sprite I'll check Frank's > > Ladybug. My Holy Sprite video shows Holy Sprite jacks are under the rear > > leaf spring connections? Correct me if wrong and a heavy duty bucket > under > > the metal plate up front but I will use 2 stands. Where should I put > them? > > > > Tips on gas tank removal so I don't break any parts that are > unobtainable, > > like that threaded tip. > > > > Thanks Guys/Gals, > > Lin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > You are subscribed as nases at verizon.net > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 14:12:43 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:12:43 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] new gas tank will it have the threaded fitting? Message-ID: <205cef431001231312v1d758dd7qa9cffc83b475d708@mail.gmail.com> if I buy a new gas tank will it have the threaded fitting for the fuel line? As i recall there was a part unobtainable on the tanks was that the fitting. just in case i can't get mine off. lin From PAsgeirsson at att.net Sat Jan 23 14:18:00 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:18:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. References: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> <205cef431001231212n5703abf2q15f216ff103e71d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01ca9c71$8b3abb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Phew! I felt that! Leaves all over the place today! Later, Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" > I'll give a blast of air now. > Lin From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 14:26:33 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:26:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] jack point locations, and trying to locate Ladybug youtube I made. In-Reply-To: <002a01ca9c71$8b3abb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <205cef431001230842l5ebdf8c6ra4d48fa4e0b96693@mail.gmail.com> <205cef431001231212n5703abf2q15f216ff103e71d8@mail.gmail.com> <002a01ca9c71$8b3abb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <205cef431001231326s273de64bt766729719b91832@mail.gmail.com> i got the nut loose now careful not to brake or pinch the line how long does this steel line go in. the fitting is 2" from the base of the tank that line must dip down right/ On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Paul Asgeirsson wrote: > Phew! I felt that! Leaves all over the place today! > > Later, Paul A > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Grunthaner" > > > > I'll give a blast of air now. > > Lin From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 15:29:02 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:29:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Old Life Magazines & LBC's In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$7t19of@email.mtu.edu> References: <87d2rg$7sdgnb@email.mtu.edu> <205cef431001230707u7cf95266xdbbc9bf276499bab@mail.gmail.com> <87d2rg$7t19of@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: Are you sure it wasn't quoted "pivots ON a cat?" LOL On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Tim Collins wrote: > Lin, > I use the "advanced search" option to enter the keywords and to select the > date range (no sense searching for Spridgets in the 1930"s). Then I can > narrow my search to certain magazines or books, but I usually choose not to > do that - I want to see them all. When the results comes back most will say > that the reference only provides a "snippet" but others like LIFE and > Popular Mechanics/Science usually give the whole article. For those that > only provide a "snippet" you may be able to get the whole article from your > local library or through Inter Library Loan services. Try a college or > university library if available if your local neighborhood library is small. > I'm not sure if Hot Rod magazines are included in the database. You will > find odd sources of info. I was surprised to find Spridget info in > "Kiplingers" You can kill alot of time looking at the articles! I like the > advertisement from LIFE, June 6, 1961, that describes a Sprite as; "It's a > frisky, audacious little rascal that roars like a lion and pivots like a > cat!" This must be where the connection to cats on this list comes from. LOL > > > At 10:07 AM 1/23/2010, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > >> Tim how do you search for articles in magazines? I tried to do a search on >> that site for hot rod magazine and other car magazines but only got books : >> ( >> Lin >> > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 23 15:55:14 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:55:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Old Life Magazines & LBC's In-Reply-To: References: <87d2rg$7sdgnb@email.mtu.edu> <205cef431001230707u7cf95266xdbbc9bf276499bab@mail.gmail.com> <87d2rg$7t19of@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <4B5B7E52.3010505@frontiernet.net> Watch out, Brad! Spridgie knows where you live and is sharpening all 20 claws as I type. Kate Brad Fornal wrote: > Are you sure it wasn't quoted "pivots ON a cat?" > LOL From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sat Jan 23 16:36:09 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:36:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget References: Message-ID: <05EE5AF0EECD4BE8B3621023296264EB@leovs802bt6yj7> Conngradulations!!!!!! Now you need to find a project so it will be ready for him/her as youdidnt specify weight, sex, lengh, hair color, eye color, etc ... We really need to know such information to complete the tracking data... LOL Leo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Macy" To: "Spridgets net" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:20 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget > Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. > > Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. > > Larry > Proud Opa (second time) > > Larry Macy, Ph.D > 78 Midget > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with > people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin > > Sent via iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as 60bugeye at cebridge.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 07:33:00 From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 23 16:53:38 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:53:38 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <05EE5AF0EECD4BE8B3621023296264EB@leovs802bt6yj7> References: <05EE5AF0EECD4BE8B3621023296264EB@leovs802bt6yj7> Message-ID: Agreed; put Mom on the line. She'll know. ...bill in oregon -------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Leo S Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:36 PM To: Larry Macy; Spridgets net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget Conngradulations!!!!!! Now you need to find a project so it will be ready for him/her as you didn't specify weight, sex, length, hair color, eye color, etc ... We really need to know such information to complete the tracking data... LOL Leo From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Jan 23 17:06:41 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:06:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <05EE5AF0EECD4BE8B3621023296264EB@leovs802bt6yj7> References: <05EE5AF0EECD4BE8B3621023296264EB@leovs802bt6yj7> Message-ID: <2BE2DDFF-F0B3-435D-B714-868355F9C2E0@phillymgclub.com> Mom is not available. (hmm wonder why??) Her name is CaeLyn Abigael Liebel, 7lbs 6oz, 18 1/4" tall. Born 9:30 AM EST. Dark hair (and lots of it), dark eyes, with a hint of Blue. (mom has blue, grandma had blue, Opa has blue, Wynter has blue, so probably gonna be blue). Gorgeous and sleeping, eating and pooping already. Opa Larry On Jan 23, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Leo S wrote: > Conngradulations!!!!!! Now you need to find a project so it will be ready for him/her as youdidnt specify weight, sex, lengh, hair color, eye color, etc ... We really need to know such information to complete the tracking data... LOL > > Leo > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Macy" > To: "Spridgets net" > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:20 AM > Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget > > >> Kristi gave birth to a new Spridget driver this morning at about 9:30. >> >> Please join me in welcoming the newest Midget. >> >> Larry >> Proud Opa (second time) >> >> Larry Macy, Ph.D >> 78 Midget >> >> Keep your top down and your chin up. >> >> "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with >> people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin >> >> Sent via iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as 60bugeye at cebridge.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2640 - Release Date: 01/23/10 07:33:00 > -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. Dorothy Parker From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 17:09:56 2010 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:09:56 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] who have you purchased your hard fuel lines from? Message-ID: <205cef431001231609r4fcb192du17fe3b7a9710bcf6@mail.gmail.com> I am very close to pulling that fuel line out of my tank, nut loose and easily slides on the steel line although pulling the line out of the tank seems impossible. I reassembled for the night and getting back to it tomorrow. I am afraid I will break it while pulling so I looked up fuel lines in Victoria British and they seem to be selling copper fuel lines. I did not know copper is now used as fuel line. I thought it reacts with gas. Who do you guys and gals use for steel fuel line replacements? How do you bend them without pinching the line do you use a plumbers spring coil (I sold them in the hardware store for copper plumbing) that is sold for copper what do you use for steel? Lin From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 17:28:21 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:28:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] who have you purchased your hard fuel lines from? In-Reply-To: <205cef431001231609r4fcb192du17fe3b7a9710bcf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef431001231609r4fcb192du17fe3b7a9710bcf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5B9425.5050606@comcast.net> Linda Grunthaner wrote: > > > Who do you guys and gals use for steel fuel line replacements? How do > you bend them without pinching the line do you use a plumbers spring > coil (I sold them in the hardware store for copper plumbing) that is > sold for copper what do you use for steel? > Lin Linda. The tube does not come out of the tank. Do not try it. The pipe and fitting at the tank come apart. I use copper fuel line, no problems in over 10 years. Pick up some 1/4" OD copper pipe, refrigerator ice maker tube is perfect 10 feet is more than enough, it comes in 10 ft rolls. Or check a home center or hardware store. The tubing bends real easy and is the same size as the steel line. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 17:35:15 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <2BE2DDFF-F0B3-435D-B714-868355F9C2E0@phillymgclub.com> References: <05EE5AF0EECD4BE8B3621023296264EB@leovs802bt6yj7> <2BE2DDFF-F0B3-435D-B714-868355F9C2E0@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: <4B5B95C3.1080601@comcast.net> Congrats Opa. You are now ahead of me with grandkids. All the best to Kristi and have a beer with Lambert. Frank & Diane From froggi60 at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 18:52:53 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:52:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001231752x6ec07f75tbaec261abb9b9056@mail.gmail.com> >From one O'pa (5 & 8/9 times) to another O'pa, congratulations, Larry. And to parents, of course. Herb From PAsgeirsson at att.net Sat Jan 23 19:40:43 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:40:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] who have you purchased your hard fuel lines from? References: <205cef431001231609r4fcb192du17fe3b7a9710bcf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201ca9ca0$01e0f1a0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi Lin, Does the new fuel tank already have this installed in it? You might not need to do anything inside the tank. Look it over. Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: [Spridgets] who have you purchased your hard fuel lines from? > I am very close to pulling that fuel line out of my tank, nut loose and > easily slides on the steel line although pulling the line out of the tank > seems impossible. I reassembled for the night and getting back to it > tomorrow. I am afraid I will break it while pulling so I looked up fuel > lines in Victoria British and they seem to be selling copper fuel lines. I > did not know copper is now used as fuel line. I thought it reacts with gas. > > Who do you guys and gals use for steel fuel line replacements? How do you > bend them without pinching the line do you use a plumbers spring coil (I > sold them in the hardware store for copper plumbing) that is sold for copper > what do you use for steel? > Lin > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 20:16:14 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <1A9C1F6BAA4A4351B131E34CC4CCDCE2@blackbox2> References: <664839369.15471231264106540236.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1A9C1F6BAA4A4351B131E34CC4CCDCE2@blackbox2> Message-ID: <4B5BBB7E.5060501@comcast.net> Dean Hedin wrote: > Last we heard the problem was diagnosed. > > Is the car now shifting OK? Ryan called me to say it shifts now. He called last night and I told him what I thought it was. It was indeed a rusty spring in the reverse lock out plunger. A bit of PB blaster and some finesse and it's all fixed. It was my fault for washing the tranny when we pulled it out of the car. Water from the tranny wash caused it to rust and then it sat for a 4-6 weeks before it was installed. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 20:17:45 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] who have you purchased your hard fuel lines from? References: <205cef431001231609r4fcb192du17fe3b7a9710bcf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I purchased steel line from Napa. It bends fairly easily by hand. I never removed the line from the tank. It's cut off about 5 inches out of the tank. Then it goes to hose to fuel filter to hose to electric pump to hose and then mates to the steel line that goes all the way up to the front. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:09 PM Subject: [Spridgets] who have you purchased your hard fuel lines from? >I am very close to pulling that fuel line out of my tank, nut loose and > easily slides on the steel line although pulling the line out of the tank > seems impossible. I reassembled for the night and getting back to it > tomorrow. I am afraid I will break it while pulling so I looked up fuel > lines in Victoria British and they seem to be selling copper fuel lines. I > did not know copper is now used as fuel line. I thought it reacts with gas. > > Who do you guys and gals use for steel fuel line replacements? How do you > bend them without pinching the line do you use a plumbers spring coil (I > sold them in the hardware store for copper plumbing) that is sold for copper > what do you use for steel? > Lin > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as dlh2001 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Sat Jan 23 20:53:22 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] shifting isssues In-Reply-To: <4B5BBB7E.5060501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <300754875.16387431264305202146.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thanks again to Frank and everyone else who helped diagnose and cure this problem.B It was a nice sunny day and the boysB and I went out for a ride.B and frank had to wash the tranny there was about an inch and a half of oil sludge sitting on the bottom of the housing when we took it out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Dean Hedin" Cc: "ryan kubanoff" , "spridgets" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:16:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] shifting isssues Dean Hedin wrote: > Last we heard the problem was diagnosed. > > Is the car now shifting OK? Ryan called me to say it shifts now. He called last night and I told him what I thought it was. It was indeed a rusty spring in the reverse lock out plunger. A bit of PB blaster and some finesse and it's all fixed. It was my fault for washing the tranny when we pulled it out of the car. Water from the tranny wash caused it to rust and then it sat for a 4-6 weeks before it was installed. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From weslakemonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 24 02:52:23 2010 From: weslakemonza1330 at aol.com (weslakemonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:52:23 EST Subject: [Spridgets] who have you purchased your hard fuel lines from? Message-ID: <35dd6.647ce3dc.388d7257@aol.com> I've had copper fuel line on my Sprite for at least 10 years. There are special pipe bending tools for bending thin pipe such as brake, clutch and fuel lines - I don't have them. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 24/01/2010 00:16:10 GMT Standard Time, grunthaner at gmail.com writes: Who do you guys and gals use for steel fuel line replacements? How do you bend them without pinching the line do you use a plumbers spring coil (I sold them in the hardware store for copper plumbing) that is sold for copper what do you use for steel? Lin From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Jan 24 13:11:07 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:11:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] More fun with the Prince of Darkness In-Reply-To: <402188521001221246qb0a2b99qb714747cec2bcd61@mail.gmail.com> References: <1321386889386514993@unknownmsgid> <402188521001221246qb0a2b99qb714747cec2bcd61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am surprised. THey sell DIMR's for headlights!! ANON On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:46 PM, David Lieb wrote: >> I think we just crashed their server! > > No, I just left out an "s". Sorry. > https://www.2hotbrazil.com/v2/product/havaianas-mens-brazil-flip-flops-2228.c fm > http://tinyurl.com/ylepfqo > > Just warning you that some might find the home page of the sight to be > not work safe... > David L > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sun Jan 24 15:31:37 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:31:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: References: <43840a7e1001230816v417ffaccw9f2cbdead0987f13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D9B296D-1752-4648-8FB9-841732AE60E9@comcast.net> Funny, you don't look German?! Congrats! Lester On Jan 23, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Larry Macy wrote: > For what is worth. I am not gramps, I am Opa!!! > > Larry Macy, Ph.D > 78 Midget > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin > > Sent via iPhone > > On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:16, Jim Johnson wrote: > >> Congtrats, Gramps! Hopefully the little one will be spared any physical >> resemblance to Grandpa Larry..... ;-) >> >> Cheers!! >> Jim From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 16:04:52 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:04:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <3D9B296D-1752-4648-8FB9-841732AE60E9@comcast.net> References: <43840a7e1001230816v417ffaccw9f2cbdead0987f13@mail.gmail.com> <3D9B296D-1752-4648-8FB9-841732AE60E9@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001241504j2a2d95a2nca26c4248ab317d1@mail.gmail.com> Spare us. The specter, the mental vision of Macy in Lederhosen just seared the retina of my imagination. I need a brew.... Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Lester wrote: > Funny, you don't look German?! Congrats! > > Lester > > > On Jan 23, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Larry Macy wrote: > > > For what is worth. I am not gramps, I am Opa!!! > > > > Larry Macy, Ph.D > > 78 Midget > > > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > > > "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with > people > you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin > > > > Sent via iPhone > > > > On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:16, Jim Johnson wrote: > > > >> Congtrats, Gramps! Hopefully the little one will be spared any > physical > >> resemblance to Grandpa Larry..... ;-) > >> > >> Cheers!! > >> Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sun Jan 24 23:56:49 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:56:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion Message-ID: Got a few questions rguarding the wire wheel conversion and some other stuff for my latest bugeye project. Starting off, how often, if the rear end is properly serviced, and the seals maintained, do rear axel bearings fail? The bearings in the rear hubs I pulled tonight feel as tight and smooth as the one new one I have in my spare parts. If this car is going to be used for a long trip (around 6k) would it be wiser to install new rear bearings while the rear end is apart? Hate spending the dollars when it really isnt necessary but I also dont want a bearing issue at the worst possible time. Next, the rear drums on the wire wheel rear end were like new BUT on one of them the lug hole bolts are slotted around 1/2 inch where as the other one isnt. Has anyone seen brake hubs lotted before? It was obviosly machined slotted and not elomgated from being loose. Next, are the drums for a wire wheel the same as the ones off a non wire wheel ( I know the front calipers nd discs are differnt)? Are the drums the same across all the years of midgets and sprites? Also I take it that I have to use the wire wheel hubs as the bolts to retain the hub screw in versus the studs on a non wire wheel hub being pressed in from the backside of the hub?? Also. the wire wheel axels are shorter than a non-wire wheel by around 3/8 of an inch and does this lead to axel issues? Is it worth the effort to removeing the mounts off both axels and put the steel wheel mounts onto the wire wheel housing? (BTW... the wire wheel housing and donor car is a 67 midget and the recipient car is a bugeye) Also going to install the double acting rear wheel cylinders and I know I have to move the back plates and associated hardware along with correcting the length of the brake rods. Anything else that needs to be paid attention to in the changeover? Will the difference in the width of the housing make a difference in tire clearance (the WW housing is around 1 inch narrower than the steel wheel housing)? Last, with a 1275 and datsun five speed would the 3.9 pumpkin be a better combination than the stock 4.2 pumpkin from a bugeye? Looking for good highway performnce along with performance in the twisty's. Now for a motor question. I was told that a cam for a 1275 and the oil pump for a 1275 will also work in a 948 and is a more roust setup versus the stock 948 pump and cam. Any truth to it? Especially in reguards to the oil pump (although you do have to do a little clerncing on the pump housing so it will fit the oil pump cover on the backplate)? Is it that the 1275 pump is a higher volume pump? Also, will the cast steel rockers and pedastals from 1275 fit the 948 head? Thanks in advance for any input. Leo (keeper of Iris, the blue lady) From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Mon Jan 25 00:07:08 2010 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:07:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 100M and Speedwell Sprite article Message-ID: Reived a pretty cool article on the Speedweel Sprite from the Gulf Coast healey club tonight. If anyone is interested in it send an e-mail . It is in PDF formt. Leo From pilotrob at msn.com Mon Jan 25 05:03:38 2010 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:03:38 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... wire wheel rear end conversion Message-ID: Well, Leo.... this isn't like asking yourself whether to replace a clutch when you pull an engine (no question about this unless you KNOW it's "new" and working perfectly) but I understand you're working on a budget. Others may have other experiences but here's mine bearing in mind it is usually false economy to NOT replace "wearables" while you're "in there" whether they appear to need it or not,,,,unless you know they're relatively new/working perfectly. OTOH, these are not the days of OEM "quality" parts so I'll defer to those listers who deal in parts insofar as today's quality is concerned....Ed, Pete, Paul and others. IMH Experience: I can honestly say that in all the years I've run MGA's/B's, Bugeyes and Spridgets I've never had a rear wheel bearing go. Front yes, rear no. And my last Spridget in which I commuted back and forth from my home in Stamford to my NYC domicles of LGA & JFk got some pretty good use, inclusive of those occasions (I was a younger man at the time) when I "drove it like I stole it" considering it was "Vizardized" and put down 90 (dyno) HP at the rear wheels. And those wheels were 5.5 Westerns using 60 Series Yoko 008R's so the loading on those bearings would have been far greater than stock. For 80k+ miles. The differentials are normally just as bulletproof, btw. The diffs & later axles are bullet proof too though you'll probably replace the left axle within 100k depending upon how rough or gentle you are with "engagements" over time, figuring in "standard" or "tuned" torque loadings as well. A lot depends on "loadings and "smoothness" of engagement over time (driving style). The 3.9 choice is, IMHO, the perfect choice for mixed driving with the Dat. 5 speed. I used a later 3.7 but I was mainly doing limited access highway cruise and the increased ("squeeze"@ 11.0-1CR) torque of the Vizardized motor made up for the slightly higher diff ratio in the twisty's or town use. The other questions I am not qualified to answer but you'll get excellent advice from a bunch of very experienced "hands on" guys on the Autox list who definitely know their stuff. Sounds like you'll have a good-lookin', fun ride when you're finished, Leo. You're gonna love what the Dat. 5 speed does for performance combined with a markedly reduced noise level. Enjoy, man. :) CB From redmidget72 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 25 09:33:59 2010 From: redmidget72 at yahoo.com (Red Midget) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:33:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage Message-ID: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Below is a link to a slide show showing damages to a large group of collector cars that were damaged when the large tent they were under fell on them. This was this past weekend in Scottsdale Az. during the Barrett Jackson event. The tent was being used by the Russo Steele group. It is almost enough to make a grown man cry. View the video of the tent collapse at the second link. http://www.allclassicsllc.com/home/2010-russo-and-steele-damages http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqAnXEOSLHw From proefrock at comcast.net Mon Jan 25 10:01:05 2010 From: proefrock at comcast.net (Jim Proefrock) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:01:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Red Midget wrote: > It is almost enough to make a grown man cry. So a bunch o' rich white dudes got their heavily-insured toys dinged up? I guess we all have different definitions of tragedy . . . From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 10:09:43 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:09:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188521001250909t22bb8952j8ae4f910ee84da9@mail.gmail.com> >> It is almost enough to make a grown man cry. > So a bunch o' rich white dudes got their heavily-insured toys dinged up? I > guess we all have different definitions of tragedy . . . Hmm, wanna bet there is an "act of god" clause involved? That'll buff right out! David L From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Jan 25 10:24:17 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:24:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <402188521001250909t22bb8952j8ae4f910ee84da9@mail.gmail.com> References: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <402188521001250909t22bb8952j8ae4f910ee84da9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97ED520F-8996-47B3-98D8-3ADA094B181E@comcast.net> All I can think of is all the work that anyone of us had put into their car(s) and then to have it effed up like that. Damn. Watcha bet the Ferrari mirror cost more than many of the other beat up cars.. Wanna bet that a bunch of them aren't white or rich but that they were hoping to make some cash selling their "babies" to folks who REALLY wanted them? Lester On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:09 AM, David Lieb wrote: >>> It is almost enough to make a grown man cry. > >> So a bunch o' rich white dudes got their heavily-insured toys >> dinged up? I >> guess we all have different definitions of tragedy . . . > > Hmm, wanna bet there is an "act of god" clause involved? > That'll buff right out! > David L From lists at dinospider.com Mon Jan 25 10:43:16 2010 From: lists at dinospider.com (mike rambour) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:43:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1264441396.19076.230.camel@WebBrowser> Luckily it was mostly American Iron so its no big deal to repair and hide the damage. That Alfa looked hurt :( The Ferrari will lose a bunch in value, some Ferrari people wont even look at a car that was scratched, they place a highly unreasonable value on unscratched never damaged car, to the point that they never drive the things. The only one that hurt me was that very old brass car near the beginning, only one picture of it, looked like something I would like to own. That was the only one, all the others were just used cars to me. Why so many pictures over and over again of the uninteresting cars and only pic of this beautiful thing http://picasaweb.google.com/tjmyers769/RussoAndSteele2010Damages#5430023154673127634 ? Yeah, I have been told I am opinionated before and that I should be nicer to people that have different interests. mike From kk7ss at verizon.net Mon Jan 25 10:46:35 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <670600.88171.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <936470.77684.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Rich White Dudes"?? Is there a problem somewhere ?? Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Proefrock << So a bunch o' rich white dudes got their heavily-insured toys dinged up?>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as kk7ss at verizon.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From hgmiller3 at qwest.net Mon Jan 25 12:13:47 2010 From: hgmiller3 at qwest.net (Herbert Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:13:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] great video Message-ID: <00e001ca9df2$85727e00$90577a00$@net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_5eiYn0D0 &NR=1&feature=fvwp Herb Miller From colin8 at cox.net Mon Jan 25 12:27:33 2010 From: colin8 at cox.net (Colin) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:27:33 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c101ca9df4$718bd150$54a373f0$@net> There was NO storm damage at the Barrett-Jackson 2010 Scottsdale auction. All the videos and pictures posted are from the Russo & Steele auction, also in Scottsdale at the same time. From froggi60 at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 13:37:08 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:37:08 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rick Snover Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001251237n2587fcftd4afb46b2003c9c4@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have Rick's eddress? I have a couple pictures from the 2001 Austin-Healey event held here in Grants Pass I'd like to get to him. Reid, Terry you have it??? Thanks, Herb -- Here is an Important Message for anyone who receives this email: If you forward this correspondence, PLEASE DELETE THE FORWARDING HISTORY, which includes my email address! It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world! Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and viruses from being propagated! IT ALSO PROTECTS YOU. No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though numerous electrons were horribly inconvenienced. From mdrowe at optonline.net Mon Jan 25 16:32:52 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:32:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 1959 Austin Healey Sprite - $3000 Message-ID: <6B4322E147B449BF9904542A1EF148F4@Home> See Ann Arbor Craig's List I bought this Bugeye in January, 2002 for $3,225 and planned on rebuilding it. It has now sat in my garage for 8 years and I doubt if I will ever get the time to work on it. From bkitterer at me.com Mon Jan 25 17:35:25 2010 From: bkitterer at me.com (Bob Kitterer) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:35:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Leo, If you have a 67 donor car I would suggest taking all of the brake parts from that car including the backing plates. They will bolt right on the bugeye. The banjo for wire wheels is one inch narrower than for disk wheels, hence the difference in axle length. The only car with wire wheels and the quarter elliptic rear suspension is the first Midgets, 61's an perhaps 62's (I'm on the road and do not have my reference books) I suspect this banjo is very hard to find these days, it even took a bit of looking when I did this conversion in 1968. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Leo S wrote: > Next, are the drums for a wire wheel the same as the ones off a non wire wheel > ( I know the front calipers nd discs are differnt)? Are the drums the same > across all the years of midgets and sprites? Also I take it that I have to use > the wire wheel hubs as the bolts to retain the hub screw in versus the studs > on a non wire wheel hub being pressed in from the backside of the hub?? Also. > the wire wheel axels are shorter than a non-wire wheel by around 3/8 of an > inch and does this lead to axel issues? Is it worth the effort to removeing > the mounts off both axels and put the steel wheel mounts onto the wire wheel > housing? (BTW... the wire wheel housing and donor car is a 67 midget and the > recipient car is a bugeye) Also going to install the double acting rear wheel > cylinders and I know I have to move the back plates and associated hardware > along with correcting the length of the brake rods. Anything else that needs > to be paid attention to in the changeover? Will the difference in the width > of the housing make a difference in tire clearance (the WW housing is around 1 > inch narrower than the steel wheel housing)? From bkitterer at me.com Mon Jan 25 17:41:52 2010 From: bkitterer at me.com (Bob Kitterer) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:41:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... wire wheel rear end conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89E44EB2-E112-42EC-85F9-3A381CD77AF2@me.com> I'll add a me two. Although I did replace the rear bearings around 170K but in the end it turned out that the hubs had gone out of round. This may have been a result of the accident that the donor car had years before. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Robert E. Shlafer wrote: > > I can honestly say that in all the years I've run MGA's/B's, Bugeyes and > Spridgets I've never had a rear wheel bearing go. Front yes, rear no. From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Jan 25 18:54:43 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content Message-ID: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> I'm looking for an education and I know this is the place to get one! Today my copy of "Classic Motorsport" came. I noticed a nice looking pair of Elysee mechanical stopwatches mounted on a brushed aluminum plate advertised on page 109 ( or see: http://www.classiccarseats.com/watches.php ). These are a rally clock set. I've never participated in a timed rally and only have a cursory knowledge about the events. Timed events over a prescribed route in which the driving team has to come as close as possible to an ideal time for the route. Points subtracted for early / late arrivals. I understand why having a timepiece would be handy for the team. Why two stopwatches? How do they get used along the way to achieve the "perfect" time for the route? I have no interest in Elysee time pieces. They are very nice looking, but at $495 a bit pricey for me. So . . .educate me! Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Jan 25 19:17:21 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:17:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <441280.69008.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I must plead some ignorance (lap/segment time vs. overall?). Jeff Porasik's crew chief Don Shelton uses them while everyone else uses iCards plugged into Nintendo gameboys for real-time transponder data. --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Tim Collins wrote: From: Tim Collins Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 7:54 PM I'm looking for an education and I know this is the place to get one! Today my copy of "Classic Motorsport" came. I noticed a nice looking pair of Elysee mechanical stopwatches mounted on a brushed aluminum plate advertised on page 109 ( or see: http://www.classiccarseats.com/watches.php ). These are a rally clock set. I've never participated in a timed rally and only have a cursory knowledge about the events. Timed events over a prescribed route in which the driving team has to come as close as possible to an ideal time for the route. Points subtracted for early / late arrivals. I understand why having a timepiece would be handy for the team. Why two stopwatches? How do they get used along the way to achieve the "perfect" time for the route? I have no interest in Elysee time pieces. They are very nice looking, but at $495 a bit pricey for me. So . . .educate me! Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Mon Jan 25 19:23:09 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:23:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <441280.69008.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <441280.69008.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <140E2A1BB03E49B9896635F94DF734AA@spider> Ahh, Old School. ...bill in oregon ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 6:17 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net; Tim Collins Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content I must plead some ignorance (lap/segment time vs. overall?). Jeff Porasik's crew chief Don Shelton uses them while everyone else uses iCards plugged into Nintendo gameboys for real-time transponder data. From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Jan 25 19:43:42 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:43:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <441280.69008.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <441280.69008.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87d2rg$7tf2qo@email.mtu.edu> Ah, I was thinking along the lines of: s = 1/2 * a * t ^ 2 and dv/dt. I'm a dual income, no kids kinda guy. What's a Nintendo gameboy? At 09:17 PM 1/25/2010, Ron Soave wrote: >I must plead some ignorance (lap/segment time vs. overall?). Jeff >Porasik's crew chief Don Shelton uses them while everyone else uses >iCards plugged into Nintendo gameboys for real-time transponder data. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Jan 25 19:48:54 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:48:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion References: Message-ID: <477635A1BC11466DBCB64602D7EBF5DE@blackbox2> There are differing opinions regarding the axle length issue. It is difficult to switch to the later wire wheel axle housing because is does not have the quarter elliptic mounts. The gentleman from Georgia at Jubilee had a white Bugeye with wires and he had to make up a special jig to reweld all the mounts onto the later axle. It's allot of work. I've read in the list archives about people in the UK pressing the axles out of the wire hubs and then welding them to gain the extra length, with the added side effect that you will never be able to replace the hubs as a serviceable item. It would be nice if someone would offer aftermarket 1/2" longer axle shafts in 4340 steel. The raw material is about $90. It would need to be machined the whole length and splined at each end. If you know a good machinist then I think this might be the best way to go, but I've never met anyone who did it this way. Then there are those who say that you might be OK with the 1/2" deficit, so long as you "take it easy". The later shafts are much harder than the original bugeye axles...yadda..there is still a good amount of spline in the hub...yadda..and everything will be OK... I fall into the later category. Or at least I will when I swap over to the wires. I will let you know how it goes as I intend to do this swap in the early spring. I have already blasted and primered the wheels and all I need to do is rebuild the front hubs and paint the wheels. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo S" <60bugeye at cebridge.net> From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Jan 25 20:21:58 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5E5FD6.3010209@comcast.net> Leo S wrote: > > Starting off, how often, if the rear end is properly serviced, and the seals > maintained, do rear axel bearings fail? > Out of sixty some odd Spridgets I have owned, only one had a bad bearing and not so bad that it could not be driven, just a bit noisy. Mainly the hubs wear out to the point of the bearing slipping out of the hub. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! > Next, the rear drums on the wire wheel rear end were like new BUT on one of > them the lug hole bolts are slotted around 1/2 inch where as the other one > isnt. Has anyone seen brake hubs lotted before? It was obviosly machined > slotted and not elomgated from being loose. > Never saw that. > Next, are the drums for a wire wheel the same as the ones off a non wire wheel > > All the brake drums for all Spridgets are all the same. > Last, with a 1275 and datsun five speed would the 3.9 pumpkin be a better > combination than the stock 4.2 pumpkin from a bugeye? Looking for good > highway performnce along with performance in the twisty's. > 3.90 is OK for highway driving but the 4.22 & a 5 speed will cruise all day at 80 mph, gets 42 mpg (on the way to Lake of the Ozarks) And kicks butt with the rice boys around town ;) > Now for a motor question. I was told that a cam for a 1275 and the oil pump > for a 1275 will also work in a 948 and is a more roust setup versus the stock > 948 pump and cam. Any truth to it? > Can't help with this question. I am strictly a 1275 guy. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Mon Jan 25 20:37:35 2010 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:37:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001241504j2a2d95a2nca26c4248ab317d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e1001230816v417ffaccw9f2cbdead0987f13@mail.gmail.com> <3D9B296D-1752-4648-8FB9-841732AE60E9@comcast.net> <43840a7e1001241504j2a2d95a2nca26c4248ab317d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C39AA6E-7FB8-494E-A048-751305B9B89B@phillymgclub.com> I hear I have FANTASTIC legs!! On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Jim Johnson wrote: > Spare us. The specter, the mental vision of Macy in Lederhosen just seared > the retina of my imagination. I need a brew.... > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Lester wrote: > >> Funny, you don't look German?! Congrats! >> >> Lester >> >> >> On Jan 23, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Larry Macy wrote: >> >>> For what is worth. I am not gramps, I am Opa!!! >>> >>> Larry Macy, Ph.D >>> 78 Midget >>> >>> Keep your top down and your chin up. >>> >>> "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with >> people >> you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin >>> >>> Sent via iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:16, Jim Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Congtrats, Gramps! Hopefully the little one will be spared any >> physical >>>> resemblance to Grandpa Larry..... ;-) >>>> >>>> Cheers!! >>>> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a > shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." > John Adams > US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. Dorothy Parker From bkitterer at me.com Mon Jan 25 21:50:07 2010 From: bkitterer at me.com (Bob Kitterer) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:50:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> Tim, Back in the days before dirt, calculators, minicomputers and such a serious U.S. ralley team would have two electric odometers, two or three stop watches and a trusty slide rule. The reason for the multiple watches is that one has the time you took on the last section (along with one of the odometers), one is ticking off the time on the current section(along with one of the odometers) and if you had fixed delays then the third watch comes in to play. For instance "Allow 5 minutes to cross the train tracks." When you reached the train tracks you would stop the current time watch while at the same time start the delay watch. Once across the tracks you would wait for the delay time to lapse and restart the current time watch as you proceeded on the route. The "correct avg speed" did not account for the delay time but the overall time did. Bob Kitterer - older than dirt 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage On Jan 25, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Tim Collins wrote: > I'm looking for an education and I know this is the place to get one! > > Today my copy of "Classic Motorsport" came. I noticed a nice looking pair of Elysee mechanical stopwatches mounted on a brushed aluminum plate advertised on page 109 ( or see: http://www.classiccarseats.com/watches.php ). These are a rally clock set. > > I've never participated in a timed rally and only have a cursory knowledge about the events. Timed events over a prescribed route in which the driving team has to come as close as possible to an ideal time for the route. Points subtracted for early / late arrivals. I understand why having a timepiece would be handy for the team. Why two stopwatches? How do they get used along the way to achieve the "perfect" time for the route? > > I have no interest in Elysee time pieces. They are very nice looking, but at $495 a bit pricey for me. > > So . . .educate me! > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 00:53:47 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:53:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001252353x683dda82pe1204baa143971bf@mail.gmail.com> What Bob said... Tag Heuer made sets of time pieces which were used in many rally cars back in the day. Our old RAC rally team had a bank of 4 time pieces on the dash and 2 on the navigator's clip board. They were bloody useless in getting you off the hood and back on the wheels when laying all cattywhompis down in the woods on the special stages. You had to do that by yourself! ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Bob Kitterer wrote: > Tim, > > Back in the days before dirt, calculators, minicomputers and such a serious > U.S. ralley team would have two electric odometers, two or three stop > watches and a trusty slide rule. > > The reason for the multiple watches is that one has the time you took on > the last section (along with one of the odometers), one is ticking off the > time on the current section(along with one of the odometers) and if you had > fixed delays then the third watch comes in to play. For instance "Allow 5 > minutes to cross the train tracks." When you reached the train tracks you > would stop the current time watch while at the same time start the delay > watch. Once across the tracks you would wait for the delay time to lapse > and restart the current time watch as you proceeded on the route. The > "correct avg speed" did not account for the delay time but the overall time > did. > > > Bob Kitterer - older than dirt > > 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage > 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage > 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage > > On Jan 25, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Tim Collins wrote: > > > I'm looking for an education and I know this is the place to get one! > > > > Today my copy of "Classic Motorsport" came. I noticed a nice looking pair > of Elysee mechanical stopwatches mounted on a brushed aluminum plate > advertised on page 109 ( or see: > http://www.classiccarseats.com/watches.php ). These are a rally clock set. > > > > I've never participated in a timed rally and only have a cursory > knowledge about the events. Timed events over a prescribed route in which > the driving team has to come as close as possible to an ideal time for the > route. Points subtracted for early / late arrivals. I understand why having > a timepiece would be handy for the team. Why two stopwatches? How do they > get used along the way to achieve the "perfect" time for the route? > > > > I have no interest in Elysee time pieces. They are very nice looking, but > at $495 a bit pricey for me. > > > > So . . .educate me! > > > > Tim Collins > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From peter at nosimport.com Tue Jan 26 05:33:18 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:33:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [MG-MGB] Tony Barnhill killed Message-ID: <201001260433880.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> >Tony Barnhill, whom some may recognize by his handle on MGE "the >Autoist" and his website theautoist.com > >died in a traffic accident today, Monday. > >http://www.whnt.com/news/whnt-deadly-wreck-dug-hill-road-12510,0,5940906.photo > >Tony was an MG guy thru and thru. Active on the MG experience and the >British Car forum. > >His wife was badly injured in the early morning crash. From the report >(above) and others description of the blind intersection at Dug Hill >Road, it looks like the kid was speeding (my interpretation, not >official). > > > >-- >Best regards, > Mact > mailto:mact at adcomgraphics.com > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MG-MGB/ > ><*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > ><*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MG-MGB/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > ><*> To change settings via email: > MG-MGB-digest at yahoogroups.com > MG-MGB-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > ><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MG-MGB-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2646 - Release Date: >01/26/10 01:46:00 From eap2140 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 06:24:12 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:24:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [MG-MGB] Tony Barnhill killed In-Reply-To: <201001260433880.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <201001260433880.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <625115.96439.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know about you all, but this has started off as a pretty tragic year already. The loss of Tony just adds to everything. I am truly saddened to hear of this. He, his wife, and his family will be in our thoughts and prayers. Please let us know how we can pay tribute to our friend or assist in any way. Edward Perez and family ________________________________ From: Peter Caldwell To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 4:33:18 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [MG-MGB] Tony Barnhill killed >Tony Barnhill, whom some may recognize by his handle on MGE "the >Autoist" and his website theautoist.com > >died in a traffic accident today, Monday. > >http://www.whnt.com/news/whnt-deadly-wreck-dug-hill-road-12510,0,5940906.photo > >Tony was an MG guy thru and thru. Active on the MG experience and the >British Car forum. > >His wife was badly injured in the early morning crash. From the report >(above) and others description of the blind intersection at Dug Hill >Road, it looks like the kid was speeding (my interpretation, not >official). > > > >-- >Best regards, > Mact > mailto:mact at adcomgraphics.com > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2646 - Release Date: >01/26/10 01:46:00 Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as eap2140 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From fastvee at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 06:40:32 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:40:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <665973.66384.qm@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Because all my 948's were race engines I only used 1275 cam cores for regrinding to have the benefit of the extra lobe width. My memory is a bit fuzzy but I seem to remember the oil pump had an extra lobe on the rotor vs. the earliest pumps, so I would expect the oil volume was increased. There were some subtle modifications needed. I had to drill & tap two 1/4-28 holes to use four bolt pumps, and I would grind the end of the pump shaft for clearance as the 1275 assembly is longer overall. I had to use the smallest flat washers on the extra bolt holes or it would foul the pump cover, and I remember doing some clearancing on the cover with a small ball pein hammer. I would also port the block openings to match, but I can't say if it was necessary or just my desire to radius all edges. After installing the cam bearings I would work with just the block, cam and pump to insure that it turns freely when assembled. Also make sure the drive dog is inserted into the cam in the correct direction or it will bind up. I hope this helps your decision. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Leo S <60bugeye at cebridge.net> wrote: Now for a motor question. I was told that a cam for a 1275 and the oil pump for a 1275 will also work in a 948 and is a more roust setup versus the stock 948 pump and cam. Any truth to it? Especially in reguards to the oil pump (although you do have to do a little clerncing on the pump housing so it will fit the oil pump cover on the backplate)? Is it that the 1275 pump is a higher volume pump? Also, will the cast steel rockers and pedastals from 1275 fit the 948 head? From fastvee at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 08:03:50 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:03:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chesapeake Bay Retriever Message-ID: <135896.74735.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was wondering if any list members own, or have owned a Chessie? We adopted an 8 month old male golden retriever last week and we suspect he may not be a golden after all. Please contact me off list. Thanks, John Fogelsville, PA fastvee at yahoo.com From conen at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 26 08:19:17 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:19:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget Message-ID: <692638.55353.qm@web180210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> per Larry Macy... >>I hear I have FANTASTIC legs!! >> >>>>per Jim Johnson wrote: >>>> Spare us. The specter, the mental vision of Macy in Lederhosen just seared the retina of my imagination. I need a brew.... I was once told I have a nice butt, ...for a white boy. :-) (This was from a crazy, fun, black girl at work!) Ed in NC From thcollin at mtu.edu Tue Jan 26 08:34:15 2010 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> Message-ID: <87d2rg$7tik7l@email.mtu.edu> Bob, Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense that you would need two watches, one specifically to measure "delay" times. I suppose the navigator had to be able to do some math quite quickly to account for delay times, velocity lost during deceleration, acceleration, etc. So now that's done with gadgets, GPS, kids toys (Nintendo gameboy), cell phones, computers, or what have you? For a guy like me who doesn't own a GPS, cell phone, gameboy, etc - a Luddite - this is interesting. Thanks! At 11:50 PM 1/25/2010, Bob Kitterer wrote: >Tim, > >Back in the days before dirt, calculators, minicomputers and such a >serious U.S. ralley team would have two electric odometers, two or >three stop watches and a trusty slide rule. > >The reason for the multiple watches is that one has the time you >took on the last section (along with one of the odometers), one is >ticking off the time on the current section(along with one of the >odometers) and if you had fixed delays then the third watch comes >in to play. For instance "Allow 5 minutes to cross the train >tracks." When you reached the train tracks you would stop the >current time watch while at the same time start the delay >watch. Once across the tracks you would wait for the delay time to >lapse and restart the current time watch as you proceeded on the >route. The "correct avg speed" did not account for the delay time >but the overall time did. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Jan 26 08:51:37 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:51:37 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <692638.55353.qm@web180210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <692638.55353.qm@web180210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Geez! I think I've only been told that I look good from a distance. The farther away, the better ... Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > > per Larry Macy... > >>I hear I have FANTASTIC legs!! > >> > >>>>per Jim Johnson wrote: > >>>> Spare us. The specter, the mental vision of Macy in Lederhosen just seared the retina of my imagination. I need a brew.... > > I was once told I have a nice butt, ...for a white boy. :-) > > (This was from a crazy, fun, black girl at work!) > Ed in NC From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 26 09:02:04 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 1967 MG Midget Wire Wheels / Axel And Front Frame Clip Message-ID: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home> Entire front and rear for wire wheels http://nwct.craigslist.org/pts/1569525320.html From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Jan 26 09:52:40 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001252353x683dda82pe1204baa143971bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> <43840a7e1001252353x683dda82pe1204baa143971bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <581135.38720.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> But you could time how long it took for the rescue crew to arrive ;^D Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Johnson They were bloody useless in getting you off the hood and back on the wheels when laying all cattywhompis down in the woods on the special stages. You had to do that by yourself! ;-) From PAsgeirsson at att.net Tue Jan 26 10:28:16 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:28:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 1967 MG Midget Wire Wheels / Axel And Front Frame Clip References: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home> Message-ID: <007001ca9ead$0a1bb800$f675fea9@p0k7l8> If that's all what's left of the car from the rust belt area, Phew! ! Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: [Spridgets] 1967 MG Midget Wire Wheels / Axel And Front Frame Clip > Entire front and rear for wire wheels > > http://nwct.craigslist.org/pts/1569525320.html > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Jan 26 10:46:01 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:46:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] [SpridgetsWire Wheel Axles In-Reply-To: <007001ca9ead$0a1bb800$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home> <007001ca9ead$0a1bb800$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <401083.10490.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Is someone on the list looking for a complete set of wire wheel axles/stubs?? Dave G. Richland, WA From nases at verizon.net Tue Jan 26 10:47:37 2010 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:47:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion In-Reply-To: <4B5E5FD6.3010209@comcast.net> References: <4B5E5FD6.3010209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <02AAC7BA-B319-46BC-81E3-7D988FBA48BE@verizon.net> Wondering whether this could have contributed to my hub separation issue a few weekends back in a Mk I. Does the hub appear worn when it's shot? When I pulled the hub, the bearing just pulled out by hand. I was expecting to need to press it out. Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Frank wrote: > Mainly the hubs wear out to the point of the bearing slipping out of the hub. > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 26 10:50:28 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:50:28 EST Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion Message-ID: Quaife will do them. In a message dated 26/01/2010 02:49:22 GMT Standard Time, dlh2001 at comcast.net writes: It would be nice if someone would offer aftermarket 1/2" longer axle shafts in 4340 steel. The raw material is about $90. It would need to be machined the whole length and splined at each end. If you know a good machinist then I think this might be the best way to go, but I've never met anyone who did it this way. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Jan 26 10:54:49 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:54:49 EST Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage Message-ID: Rich is a relative term. There are probably rice-ride owners who would say the same thing about the listers. The average US spridget owner is probably richer than the average UK spridget owner with a parrallel for classics generally Weslake-Monza (not rich) 1330 In a message dated 25/01/2010 17:48:45 GMT Standard Time, kk7ss at verizon.net writes: "Rich White Dudes"?? From bkitterer at me.com Tue Jan 26 10:58:56 2010 From: bkitterer at me.com (Bob Kitterer) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:58:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$7tik7l@email.mtu.edu> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> <87d2rg$7tik7l@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <51EA7E5A-4E0A-4C35-9024-1258BC0FFF69@me.com> Oh yes, regardless of how much "fancy" stuff you had it did you no good if you got lost, a a not so unusually occurrence - - - - - - how do I know that ???? Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Tim Collins wrote: > Bob, > Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense that you would need two watches, one specifically to measure "delay" times. I suppose the navigator had to be able to do some math quite quickly to account for delay times, velocity lost during deceleration, acceleration, etc. So now that's done with gadgets, GPS, kids toys (Nintendo gameboy), cell phones, computers, or what have you? For a guy like me who doesn't own a GPS, cell phone, gameboy, etc - a Luddite - this is interesting. Thanks! > > > At 11:50 PM 1/25/2010, Bob Kitterer wrote: >> Tim, >> >> Back in the days before dirt, calculators, minicomputers and such a serious U.S. ralley team would have two electric odometers, two or three stop watches and a trusty slide rule. >> >> The reason for the multiple watches is that one has the time you took on the last section (along with one of the odometers), one is ticking off the time on the current section(along with one of the odometers) and if you had fixed delays then the third watch comes in to play. For instance "Allow 5 minutes to cross the train tracks." When you reached the train tracks you would stop the current time watch while at the same time start the delay watch. Once across the tracks you would wait for the delay time to lapse and restart the current time watch as you proceeded on the route. The "correct avg speed" did not account for the delay time but the overall time did. > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 11:47:18 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:47:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001261047m14b9067cra4cc4809b741df46@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:54 AM, wrote: > Rich is a relative term. > Not for me. I don't have any relatives that are rich, either.... ;-) -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From oldtimealaskan at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 12:18:14 2010 From: oldtimealaskan at yahoo.com (James Lempe) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:18:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> Message-ID: <928831.47751.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> And don't forget the Curta Calcultor. We all had one. Pricey then and even now. Jim Lempe, Homer Alaska A penny saved is a government oversite! ________________________________ From: Bob Kitterer To: Spridgets Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content Tim, Back in the days before dirt, calculators, minicomputers and such a serious U.S. ralley team would have two electric odometers, two or three stop watches and a trusty slide rule. The reason for the multiple watches is that one has the time you took on the last section (along with one of the odometers), one is ticking off the time on the current section(along with one of the odometers) and if you had fixed delays then the third watch comes in to play. For instance "Allow 5 minutes to cross the train tracks." When you reached the train tracks you would stop the current time watch while at the same time start the delay watch. Once across the tracks you would wait for the delay time to lapse and restart the current time watch as you proceeded on the route. The "correct avg speed" did not account for the delay time but the overall time did. Bob Kitterer - older than dirt 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage On Jan 25, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Tim Collins wrote: > I'm looking for an education and I know this is the place to get one! > > Today my copy of "Classic Motorsport" came. I noticed a nice looking pair of Elysee mechanical stopwatches mounted on a brushed aluminum plate advertised on page 109 ( or see: http://www.classiccarseats.com/watches.php ). These are a rally clock set. > > I've never participated in a timed rally and only have a cursory knowledge about the events. Timed events over a prescribed route in which the driving team has to come as close as possible to an ideal time for the route. Points subtracted for early / late arrivals. I understand why having a timepiece would be handy for the team. Why two stopwatches? How do they get used along the way to achieve the "perfect" time for the route? > > I have no interest in Elysee time pieces. They are very nice looking, but at $495 a bit pricey for me. > > So . . .educate me! > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as oldtimealaskan at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From conen at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 26 12:33:41 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:33:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget Message-ID: <177872.81519.qm@web180207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>Robert Duquette... >>Geez! I think I've only been told that I look good from a distance. The farther away, the better ... You look fine from here! ;-) Ed in NC From conen at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 26 12:50:40 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:50:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content Message-ID: <347702.54271.qm@web180214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "A New Guide to Rallying" by Larry Reid Sports Car Press Copyright: 1969 127 pages, B&W, 5-1/4" x 7-7/8" paperback Very good, but not perfect, condition. Contents: page: Preface to the New Edition 9 1. What is a Rally? 11 2. Following the Route 25 3. Measuring Distance 43 4. Time, Timing and Timers 65 5. Average Speeds 81 6. Rally Computers 106 7. Scoring 115 8. Organizing a Rally 121 $10 + postage :-) Ed in NC From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 13:10:01 2010 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:10:01 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:54 AM, wrote: Rich is a relative term. It sure is! I'm not rich but I live richly!!! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 13:19:36 2010 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:19:36 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 1967 MG Midget Wire Wheels / Axel And Front Frame Clip In-Reply-To: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home> References: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: Entire front and rear for wire wheels http://nwct.craigslist.org/pts/1569525320.html -------------------------------- If that's all what's left of the car from the rust belt area, Phew! ! Pa -------------------------------- Ha, just try to get the wheels off of the splines now... -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 26 13:50:23 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:50:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 1967 MG Midget Wire Wheels / Axel And Front Frame Clip In-Reply-To: References: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home> Message-ID: <2BB5527BFA2648238A9A5A10B14C1637@Home> > Ha, just try to get the wheels off of the splines now... Speaking of getting rusted things off, I can recommend the MAPP gas setup sold by Sears. It uses two tanks about a foot long with a tiny burner head producing a very small, very hot flame. It is expensive, but worth it to me. It is much hotter than propane and the flame is so small that it is easy to avoid burning everything around the area you are heating. Today, I finally wired up the 60 gal, 220v compressor I got for $150 on Craigs List. Now I can run any kind of air tool indefinitely! (Well, until some neighbor complains about the noise. It is LOUD.) Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite kit Long Island, NY From PAsgeirsson at att.net Tue Jan 26 14:11:21 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:11:21 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] End of scraping old gaskets? Message-ID: <004901ca9ecc$2671f540$f675fea9@p0k7l8> According to Adam Cincotta, Permatex product manager, "The new Permatex Gasket Remover is very easy to use. The built-in brush simplifies a clean and precise application, while the foam formula quickly dissolves the gasket. After 15-20 minutes, all the user has to do is wipe off the residue with a shop towel. The flange is then ready for the next gasket." Suggested applications cover all solvent-based gasketing, anaerobic gasketing, and gasket sealant products, including Permatex Form-A-Gasket, Spray-A-Gasket, Indian Head, High-Tack, Tack & Seal and Super High Tack gasketing products. Gasket Remover is not recommended for use on silicone gaskets. Pa, no financial involvement, etc.! From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 15:03:38 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> CosmicMag1380 wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:54 AM, wrote: > > Rich is a relative term. > > > It sure is! I'm not rich but I live richly!!! > > I know a guy named Rich, does that count? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Jan 26 15:16:18 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:16:18 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> References: , , <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> Message-ID: Only if you are related to him ... Robert D > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:03:38 -0500 > > CosmicMag1380 wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:54 AM, wrote: > > > > Rich is a relative term. > > > > > > It sure is! I'm not rich but I live richly!!! > > > > > > I know a guy named Rich, does that count? > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Jan 26 15:44:00 2010 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> Message-ID: We have worn out the "rich" part. What about the "white dudes" part. I am white (well, more like pink, actually, especially in Winter). But I really doubt that I can be considered a "dude." I am married to a hot chick, though. (Uh...., more like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married to a formerly hot chick qualify as a dude? Michael Rowe Formerly Rich Pink Dude From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Jan 26 15:55:15 2010 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:55:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B5F72D3.9010701@frontiernet.net> You're liable to quickly become a dead duck as soon as your wife finds out that you consider her a "formerly" hot chick. Kate Michael Rowe wrote: > We have worn out the "rich" part. > > What about the "white dudes" part. I am white (well, more like pink, > actually, especially in Winter). But I really doubt that I can be > considered a "dude." I am married to a hot chick, though. (Uh...., > more like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married to a > formerly hot chick qualify as a dude? > > Michael Rowe > Formerly Rich Pink Dude > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Tue Jan 26 16:37:58 2010 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:37:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage Message-ID: My dad is Rich now... But for a long time he was just Dick! ;-) -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> >From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca [robertduquette at sympatico.ca] >Sent: 1/26/2010 5:17:18 PM >To: spridgets at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage > >Only if you are related to him ... > >Robert D > >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:03:38 -0500 >> >> CosmicMag1380 wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:54 AM, wrote: >> > >> > Rich is a relative term. >> > >> > >> > It sure is! I'm not rich but I live richly!!! >> > >> > >> >> I know a guy named Rich, does that count? >> >> -- >> Frank Clarici >> Toms River, NJ >> My own Fleet of Sprites > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Jan 26 17:30:22 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:30:22 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: , , <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net>, , Message-ID: I believe that the philosophy of a 'dude' is that: It is better to look good than to be good. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:00 -0500 > > We have worn out the "rich" part. > > What about the "white dudes" part. I am white (well, more like pink, > actually, especially in Winter). But I really doubt that I can be > considered a "dude." I am married to a hot chick, though. (Uh...., more > like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married to a formerly hot chick > qualify as a dude? > > Michael Rowe > Formerly Rich Pink Dude From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Jan 26 17:35:37 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:35:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <27910.27929.qm@web84201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Dude Dude, n. A kind of dandy; especially, one characterized by an ultrafashionable style of dress and other affectations." [1913 Websters American Dictionary] I always thought it was a city person, visiting a working ranch, pretending to be a Cowboy. Dave G. From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 17:37:38 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B5F8AD2.3000307@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: > (Uh...., more like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married > to a formerly hot chick qualify as a dude? My wife is still hot, it just comes in flashes now. From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Jan 26 17:38:18 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:38:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: , , <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net>, , Message-ID: <564FAB0B6B2B4F8CB14C567AC0F7E5F2@spider> "Some of my best friends are pink dudes." ...bill in oregon ======================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:30 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage I believe that the philosophy of a 'dude' is that: It is better to look good than to be good. Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada ================================================================ > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:00 -0500 > > We have worn out the "rich" part. > > What about the "white dudes" part. I am white (well, more like pink, > actually, especially in Winter). But I really doubt that I can be > considered a "dude." I am married to a hot chick, though. (Uh...., more > like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married to a formerly hot chick > qualify as a dude? > > Michael Rowe > Formerly Rich Pink Dude From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Tue Jan 26 17:56:25 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:56:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <564FAB0B6B2B4F8CB14C567AC0F7E5F2@spider> Message-ID: A Dude is any righteous person. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 26 18:03:40 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:03:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <4B5F8AD2.3000307@comcast.net> References: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> <4B5F8AD2.3000307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <11882795C04740D4A89FE7833975200F@HomePC> From: "Frank" Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:37 PM To: "Michael Rowe" Cc: "Spridgets" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage Michael Rowe wrote: > (Uh...., more like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married > to a formerly hot chick qualify as a dude? My wife is still hot, it just comes in flashes now. _______________________________________________ We call those "Tropical Moments". When we are driving down the road and it's -10 degrees out and she gets one of them and rolls the car window down, I have another name for it. LAD From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 18:04:40 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:04:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <564FAB0B6B2B4F8CB14C567AC0F7E5F2@spider> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001261704q43584c7dsc2890b632f3aa987@mail.gmail.com> So a Dude Ranch would be..... ? ;-) Out here in flyover land, a dude is a neophyte. Cheers!! Jim - Dodge City On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > A Dude is any righteous person. From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 18:30:27 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget In-Reply-To: <2C39AA6E-7FB8-494E-A048-751305B9B89B@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: <248142226.17730821264555827539.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> stop listening to the voices in your headB :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Macy" To: "Jim Johnson" Cc: "Spridgets net" Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:37:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Newest Spridget I hear I have FANTASTIC legs!! On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Jim Johnson wrote: > Spare us. B The specter, the mental vision of Macy in Lederhosen just seared > the retina of my imagination. B I need a brew.... > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Lester wrote: > >> Funny, you don't look German?! B Congrats! >> >> Lester >> >> >> On Jan 23, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Larry Macy wrote: >> >>> For what is worth. I am not gramps, I am Opa!!! >>> >>> Larry Macy, Ph.D >>> 78 Midget >>> >>> Keep your top down and your chin up. >>> >>> "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with >> people >> you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin >>> >>> Sent via iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:16, Jim Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Congtrats, Gramps! B Hopefully the little one will be spared any >> physical >>>> resemblance to Grandpa Larry..... B B ;-) >>>> >>>> Cheers!! >>>> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a > shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." > B B B John Adams > B B B US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Secretary Philadelphia MG Club The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. Dorothy Parker Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 19:02:49 2010 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:02:49 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 1967 MG Midget Wire Wheels / Axel And Front Frame Clip In-Reply-To: <2BB5527BFA2648238A9A5A10B14C1637@Home> References: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home> <2BB5527BFA2648238A9A5A10B14C1637@Home> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: >> Ha, just try to get the wheels off of the splines now... > > Speaking of getting rusted things off, I can recommend the MAPP gas setup > sold by Sears. It uses two tanks about a foot long with a tiny burner head > producing a very small, very hot flame. It is expensive, but worth it to > me. It is much hotter than propane and the flame is so small that it is > easy to avoid burning everything around the area you are heating. Yeah, I've had a MAPP/oxy torch for years. Wasn't expensive back when I got it and the paperwork claims temps up to 5700 degrees. Can't swear to that but it really cherries up a nut quickly! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From dlh2001 at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 20:52:52 2010 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:52:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion References: Message-ID: I was thinking about this "wire wheel short axle issue" further today. I have never seen the case where just the splines sheered off of a Spridget axle. By that I mean it's not the case where you pull the axle out and just the splines have striped off the outer perimeter. The ones I have seen that broke (and these were early axles only) had the whole splined section broke off and stuck in the diff. So, When we say that we are worried that we have 1/2" less purchase of the spline within the differential we are implying that striping the splines off is what may happen. But I don't think that's going to happen. For the proper case, the splines appear to have about 1 and 1/2 inch purchase within the diff. I don't think that 1/2 inch less is going to matter when you switch over to the wire axles. Maybe it's not the best for some highly tuned 1275+ engine. But if that's the case you probably don't want to run wires wheels anyway. If anyone has seen the case where just the splines have sheered off I would be interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion Quaife will do them. From conen at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 26 21:01:57 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:01:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content Message-ID: <437596.96471.qm@web180209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> per Icicle Jim Lempe... >>And don't forget the Curta Calcultor. We all had one. Pricey then and even now. Never had the money for one then; still don't now, but I've been wanting one for my display table, even if it doesn't work right! :-) Ed in NC From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 27 06:32:52 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:32:52 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <43840a7e1001261704q43584c7dsc2890b632f3aa987@mail.gmail.com> References: <564FAB0B6B2B4F8CB14C567AC0F7E5F2@spider>, , <43840a7e1001261704q43584c7dsc2890b632f3aa987@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A "dude ranch" is a place where you grow dudes ... ;) RD > > So a Dude Ranch would be..... ? ;-) Out here in flyover land, a > dude is a neophyte. > > Cheers!! > Jim - Dodge City > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > > > A Dude is any righteous person. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 27 06:34:45 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:34:45 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] 1967 MG Midget Wire Wheels / Axel And Front Frame Clip In-Reply-To: References: <4E67428F19DA4B829E5F5467F6D15524@Home>, , <2BB5527BFA2648238A9A5A10B14C1637@Home>, Message-ID: Perhaps, but I think Michael got it to warm his feet ... ;) RD > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > >> Ha, just try to get the wheels off of the splines now... > > > > Speaking of getting rusted things off, I can recommend the MAPP gas setup > > sold by Sears. It uses two tanks about a foot long with a tiny burner head > > producing a very small, very hot flame. It is expensive, but worth it to > > me. It is much hotter than propane and the flame is so small that it is > > easy to avoid burning everything around the area you are heating. > > Yeah, I've had a MAPP/oxy torch for years. Wasn't expensive back when > I got it and the paperwork claims temps up to 5700 degrees. Can't > swear to that but it really cherries up a nut quickly! > > -- > Kent > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Wed Jan 27 09:27:30 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:27:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> Message-ID: Now there's a freakin' rookie mistake! You *are* married to a hot chick... not a *formerly hot chick*. they can read ya know and they will find what you say and then you're in for some long quiet nights... Lester On Jan 26, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > We have worn out the "rich" part. > > What about the "white dudes" part. I am white (well, more like > pink, actually, especially in Winter). But I really doubt that I > can be considered a "dude." I am married to a hot chick, though. > (Uh...., more like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married > to a formerly hot chick qualify as a dude? > > Michael Rowe > Formerly Rich Pink Dude > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 27 09:48:13 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:48:13 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: , , <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net>, , , Message-ID: That's how Tiger got found out; isn't it? The wife picked up his cellphone and checked his messages. > Now there's a freakin' rookie mistake! You *are* married to a hot > chick... not a *formerly hot chick*. they can read ya know and they > will find what you say and then you're in for some long quiet nights... > > Lester > > > On Jan 26, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > > > We have worn out the "rich" part. > > > > What about the "white dudes" part. I am white (well, more like > > pink, actually, especially in Winter). But I really doubt that I > > can be considered a "dude." I am married to a hot chick, though. > > (Uh...., more like a formerly hot chick.) Does a pink guy married > > to a formerly hot chick qualify as a dude? > > > > Michael Rowe > > Formerly Rich Pink Dude From sales at justbrits.com Wed Jan 27 10:47:07 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:47:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: , , <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net>, , , Message-ID: <4B607C1B.7020307@justbrits.com> << That's how Tiger got found out; isn't it? The wife picked up his cellphone and checked his messages. >> AND [as reported om TV ] CALLED one of the "entries", RD. Guess Tiger ain't so 'smart' after all !!! LOL From sales at justbrits.com Wed Jan 27 10:48:30 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:48:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B607C6E.2050306@justbrits.com> << ...and then you're in for some long quiet nights... >> Good grief Lester, you mean there IS a real "heaven"?? Anon From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 27 10:56:05 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:56:05 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <4B607C1B.7020307@justbrits.com> References: , , , , <4B5F66BA.30303@comcast.net>, , , , , , , , <4B607C1B.7020307@justbrits.com> Message-ID: Well, ... there must be an awful lot of temptation when you're that famous and wealthy and you can have just about anyone you want and women are throwing themselves at you. I don't think we'll ever understand! ;) > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:47:07 -0600 > From: sales at justbrits.com > > << That's how Tiger got found out; isn't it? The wife picked up > his cellphone and checked his messages. >> > > AND [as reported om TV ] CALLED one of the > "entries", RD. > > Guess Tiger ain't so 'smart' after all !!! LOL From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 27 11:25:31 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:25:31 EST Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage Message-ID: <3549a.54b8b6d9.3891df1b@aol.com> That wouldn't happened on the spridgets list... That's how Tiger got found out; isn't it? The wife picked up > his cellphone and checked his messages. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 27 11:27:05 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:27:05 EST Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheel rear end conversion Message-ID: <35595.16f0c33f.3891df79@aol.com> 5.5 inch tubeless wire wheels on a highly tuned 1275+ engine.. In a message dated 27/01/2010 03:52:57 GMT Standard Time, dlh2001 at comcast.net writes: Maybe it's not the best for some highly tuned 1275+ engine. But if that's the case you probably don't want to run wires wheels anyway. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Jan 27 11:36:55 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:36:55 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hoses - ORANGE Message-ID: <35b84.289e921.3891e1c7@aol.com> Hi List, I have a few silicone hoses in stock if anyone wants any including a single water pump hose in ORANGE for a downflow rad car - the only one in the world! I also have a full hose set in ORANGE for a crossflow rad car, and a single blue top hose for a downflow car. e-mail me off list - I think the exchange rate is still in your favour though tax at this end went back up 2.5% Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 From healeyrick at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 11:53:36 2010 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:53:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List Message-ID: <431147.96166.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> While looking at a big Healey listing on eBay, I noticed the seller also listed an Abarth 1300 Scorpione for sale. Thought it was the kind of oddball they like on BringaTrailer.com so submitted it and they featured it today. Check it out, interesting background story: http://bringatrailer.com/2010/01/27/hang-loose-1970-abarth-scorpione-1300/ Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo From corvallis at peoplepc.com Wed Jan 27 12:12:30 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:12:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <431147.96166.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <431147.96166.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice cars. Very owner specific. High strung motors. There were people, in Italy, creating everything to hang on those to make them faster. ...bill in oregon ========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of HealeyRick Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:54 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List While looking at a big Healey listing on eBay, I noticed the seller also listed an Abarth 1300 Scorpione for sale. Thought it was the kind of oddball they like on BringaTrailer.com so submitted it and they featured it today. Check it out, interesting background story: http://bringatrailer.com/2010/01/27/hang-loose-1970-abarth-scorpione-1300/ Rick From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 27 12:57:25 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:57:25 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <3549a.54b8b6d9.3891df1b@aol.com> References: <3549a.54b8b6d9.3891df1b@aol.com> Message-ID: Maybe not exactly like that. She'd have had to join the list. ( I think. I seem to remember the archives showing up in a google search once. But perhaps I remember wrong. ) Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com > > That wouldn't happened on the spridgets list... > > That's how Tiger got found out; isn't it? The wife picked up > > his cellphone and checked his messages. From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Jan 27 12:58:16 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:58:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: <3549a.54b8b6d9.3891df1b@aol.com> References: <3549a.54b8b6d9.3891df1b@aol.com> Message-ID: Wow! You guys have a lot of time on your hands, don't you? Mike MacLean On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM, wrote: > That wouldn't happened on the spridgets list... > > That's how Tiger got found out; isn't it? The wife picked up > > his cellphone and checked his messages. From 72spridget at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 13:05:03 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:05:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <3549a.54b8b6d9.3891df1b@aol.com> Message-ID: <402188521001271205o55c1f3b5gbfeb9d9ebaf668a0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:58 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > Wow! You guys have a lot of time on your hands, don't you? As Greg Brown sang it, "Time ain't money when all you got is time"... David L From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 27 13:05:49 2010 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:05:49 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC: Barrett Jackson Storm Damage In-Reply-To: References: <3549a.54b8b6d9.3891df1b@aol.com>, Message-ID: I keep mine in my watch pocket. ( It keeps my hands free. ) > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:58:16 -0800 > > Wow! You guys have a lot of time on your hands, don't you? > Mike MacLean > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM, wrote: > > > That wouldn't happened on the spridgets list... > > > > That's how Tiger got found out; isn't it? The wife picked up > > > his cellphone and checked his messages. From kentmclean at comcast.net Wed Jan 27 13:22:35 2010 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:22:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B60A08B.2000709@comcast.net> HealeyRick wrote: > While looking at a big Healey listing on eBay, I noticed the seller also > listed an Abarth 1300 Scorpione for sale. Thought it was the kind of oddball > they like on BringaTrailer.com so submitted it and they featured it today. I saw that this morning. It caught my eye 'cuz I like little Italian cars. It must have been a good buy, as eBay says, "This listing (220543854667) has been removed," -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From sales at justbrits.com Wed Jan 27 13:38:31 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:38:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <431147.96166.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <431147.96166.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B60A447.3020605@justbrits.com> << While looking at a big Healey listing on eBay, I noticed the seller also listed an Abarth 1300 Scorpione for sale. >> GONE, Rick !! Bet he didn't get the $30k !! LOL From healeyrick at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 15:05:46 2010 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:05:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <4B60A447.3020605@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <606046.29649.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Seems to have sold pretty soon after it hit BaT, I should probably get a commission? Too bad we'll probably never find out what it actually sold for. Wonder if the 1608 cc twin cam motor from the 124 Spyder would fit in the Scorpione? Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Sales at " Just Brits " wrote: From: Sales at " Just Brits " Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:38 PM << While looking at a big Healey listing on eBay, I noticed the seller also listed an Abarth 1300 Scorpione for sale. >> GONE, Rick !! Bet he didn't get the $30k !! LOL Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lists at dinospider.com Wed Jan 27 15:18:24 2010 From: lists at dinospider.com (mike rambour) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <606046.29649.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <606046.29649.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1264630704.28659.11.camel@WebBrowser> Sometimes its amazing what these little Italian beauties will go for. I have a old FIAT that is worth a jaw dropping amount of money and I often think its time to sell it because no way its worth that much. No I am not a rich white dude (to keep it on previous topics) its just that I can't believe the car is worth that much. Oh well...nothing like walking out to the parking and seeing your FIAT Dino spider to make you forget the bad day at work. And then you start the motor :) mike On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 14:05 -0800, HealeyRick wrote: > Seems to have sold pretty soon after it hit BaT, I should probably get a > commission? Too bad we'll probably never find out what it actually sold for. > Wonder if the 1608 cc twin cam motor from the 124 Spyder would fit in the > Scorpione? > > Rick > > > Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Sales at " Just Brits " wrote: > > From: Sales at " Just Brits " > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:38 PM > > << While looking at a big Healey listing on eBay, I noticed the > seller also listed an Abarth 1300 Scorpione for sale. >> > > GONE, Rick !! > > Bet he didn't get the $30k !! LOL > Suggested annual donation $12.75 From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 27 15:25:57 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:25:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <1264630704.28659.11.camel@WebBrowser> References: <606046.29649.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1264630704.28659.11.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <5842A3F03A604E988AD550A427A0AE32@HomePC> -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike rambour" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:18 PM To: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List Sometimes its amazing what these little Italian beauties will go for. I have a old FIAT that is worth a jaw dropping amount of money and I often think its time to sell it because no way its worth that much. No I am not a rich white dude (to keep it on previous topics) its just that I can't believe the car is worth that much. Oh well...nothing like walking out to the parking and seeing your FIAT Dino spider to make you forget the bad day at work. And then you start the motor :) mike =================== You're absolutely right, Mike. It's not worth that much. Sell it to me for half of that. ;-) LAD From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 18:03:37 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:03:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <5842A3F03A604E988AD550A427A0AE32@HomePC> References: <606046.29649.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1264630704.28659.11.camel@WebBrowser> <5842A3F03A604E988AD550A427A0AE32@HomePC> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001271703n896521t55e5cb149a9a44a4@mail.gmail.com> Don't do it Mike, Larry's trying to pull a fast one. I don't know why he'd do that; it's really worth a lot less than he's telling you. Give me a call and I'll talk straight to you! On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike rambour" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:18 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List > > Sometimes its amazing what these little Italian beauties will go for. > I have a old FIAT that is worth a jaw dropping amount of money and I > often think its time to sell it because no way its worth that much. No > I am not a rich white dude (to keep it on previous topics) its just that > I can't believe the car is worth that much. > > Oh well...nothing like walking out to the parking and seeing your FIAT > Dino spider to make you forget the bad day at work. And then you start > the motor :) > > mike > =================== > > You're absolutely right, Mike. It's not worth that much. Sell it to me for > half of that. ;-) > > LAD > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tr3.4.me at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 27 20:48:42 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:48:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c1001271703n896521t55e5cb149a9a44a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <606046.29649.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com><1264630704.28659.11.camel@WebBrowser><5842A3F03A604E988AD550A427A0AE32@HomePC> <8de85a9c1001271703n896521t55e5cb149a9a44a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Careful, Mike. Jeff is famous for these stunts. If you truly want a warm and fuzzy from seeing your prized baby go to someone who will treasure it as you do and know that you didn't overcharge them and disgrace the car by profiteering, call me. I can underbid Jeff easily. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Foster" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:03 PM To: "Spridget list" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List Don't do it Mike, Larry's trying to pull a fast one. I don't know why he'd do that; it's really worth a lot less than he's telling you. Give me a call and I'll talk straight to you! On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mike rambour" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:18 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List > > Sometimes its amazing what these little Italian beauties will go for. > I have a old FIAT that is worth a jaw dropping amount of money and I > often think its time to sell it because no way its worth that much. No > I am not a rich white dude (to keep it on previous topics) its just that > I can't believe the car is worth that much. > > Oh well...nothing like walking out to the parking and seeing your FIAT > Dino spider to make you forget the bad day at work. And then you start > the motor :) > > mike > =================== > > You're absolutely right, Mike. It's not worth that much. Sell it to me for > half of that. ;-) > > LAD > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tr3.4.me at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Jan 27 21:55:55 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:55:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Idiot sighting... No LBC but car related! Message-ID: <5562.25166.qm@web84201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> >From my boys' Grandmother.. When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock the driver side door. As I watched from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered that it was unlocked. 'Hey,' I announced to the technician, 'it's open!' His reply: 'I know, I already got that side.' This was at the Ford dealership in Canton, MS Dave G. From lists at dinospider.com Thu Jan 28 10:15:22 2010 From: lists at dinospider.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:15:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <4B60A447.3020605@justbrits.com> References: <431147.96166.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B60A447.3020605@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <1264698922.28659.27.camel@WebBrowser> I want to say Thank You to everyone for helping me lose money on the NON-sale of my car, so far the lowest bidder is not the winner. I did not say the car was for sale and I did not say I did not like the car, just that these old FIAT's have a crazy and loyal following who think they are worth their weight in gold. Its a Dino but its still only a old FIAT and its MINE From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 10:35:50 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:35:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <1264698922.28659.27.camel@WebBrowser> References: <431147.96166.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B60A447.3020605@justbrits.com> <1264698922.28659.27.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001280935x6084a117ub949d87311e31b9a@mail.gmail.com> I didn't have my glasses on. I thought you typed old FART! Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:15 AM, mike rambour wrote: > I want to say Thank You to everyone for helping me lose money on the > NON-sale of my car, so far the lowest bidder is not the winner. > > I did not say the car was for sale and I did not say I did not like > the car, just that these old FIAT's have a crazy and loyal following who > think they are worth their weight in gold. > > Its a Dino but its still only a old FIAT and its MINE From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Jan 28 11:24:05 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:24:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <51EA7E5A-4E0A-4C35-9024-1258BC0FFF69@me.com> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu> <4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com> <87d2rg$7tik7l@email.mtu.edu> <51EA7E5A-4E0A-4C35-9024-1258BC0FFF69@me.com> Message-ID: Nothing like the excitement tho' of coming around a sharp turn to see oncoming rally traffic and then figure out that your navigator was trying to turn route instruction pages with his GLOVED hands! Lester On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Bob Kitterer wrote: > Oh yes, regardless of how much "fancy" stuff you had it did you no > good if you got lost, a a not so unusually occurrence - - - - - - > how do I know that ???? > > > Bob Kitterer > > 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage > 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in > storage > 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage From PAsgeirsson at att.net Thu Jan 28 12:06:11 2010 From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:06:11 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu><4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com><87d2rg$7tik7l@email.mtu.edu><51EA7E5A-4E0A-4C35-9024-1258BC0FFF69@me.com> Message-ID: <002001caa04d$15ef2300$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Just how wide do your eyes open?! Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lester" Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content > Nothing like the excitement tho' of coming around a sharp turn to see > oncoming rally traffic and then figure out that your navigator was > trying to turn route instruction pages with his GLOVED hands! > > Lester > > > On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Bob Kitterer wrote: > > > Oh yes, regardless of how much "fancy" stuff you had it did you no > > good if you got lost, a a not so unusually occurrence - - - - - - > > how do I know that ???? > > > > > > Bob Kitterer > > > > 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage > > 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in > > storage > > 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From healeyrick at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 12:20:50 2010 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:20:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <1264698922.28659.27.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <993346.62341.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Having owned two 124 Spiders and an X 1/9, it was my experience they were worth their weight in iron oxide. Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo --- On Thu, 1/28/10, mike rambour wrote: From: mike rambour Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:15 PM I I did not say the car was for sale and I did not say I did not like the car, just that these old FIAT's have a crazy and loyal following who think they are worth their weight in gold. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Thu Jan 28 14:03:30 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:03:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc Check out how Triumph Rocket III motorcycles are made in Great Britain. If I had gone the British route for a motorcycle this is how I would want mine made! Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 02 Harley Davidson Heritage Springer From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Jan 28 14:03:55 2010 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:03:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <002001caa04d$15ef2300$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <87d2rg$7tes11@email.mtu.edu><4F356550-7C51-4829-B9AF-6082DA8064E3@me.com><87d2rg$7tik7l@email.mtu.edu><51EA7E5A-4E0A-4C35-9024-1258BC0FFF69@me.com> <002001caa04d$15ef2300$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <56DBFFAB-4505-40CC-82CC-940D38968269@comcast.net> Well it was a night stage so they started a bit larger to begin with.. ;-) I could see light through the trees and thought that we were closing in on a fellow backmarker.. those damn driving beams are BRIGHT when you are staring right at them only a 10th of a mile away or so.. Lester .. it's hard to find a good navigator.. On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Paul Asgeirsson wrote: > Just how wide do your eyes open?! > > Pa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lester" > Cc: "Spridgets" > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC > content > > >> Nothing like the excitement tho' of coming around a sharp turn to see >> oncoming rally traffic and then figure out that your navigator was >> trying to turn route instruction pages with his GLOVED hands! >> >> Lester >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Bob Kitterer wrote: >> >>> Oh yes, regardless of how much "fancy" stuff you had it did you no >>> good if you got lost, a a not so unusually occurrence - - - - - - >>> how do I know that ???? >>> >>> >>> Bob Kitterer >>> >>> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage >>> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in >>> storage >>> 2000 Miata Special Edition - in storage >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From conen at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 28 14:10:53 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content Message-ID: <323904.40143.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>Nothing like the excitement tho' of coming around a sharp turn to see oncoming rally traffic and then figure out that your navigator was trying to turn route instruction pages with his GLOVED hands! >> >>Lester My friend and I used to regularly get lost on rallies because we were having tooo much fun talking about how we got lost on the previous rally! Ed in NC :-) From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jan 28 14:24:15 2010 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:24:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for an Education - Indirect LBC content In-Reply-To: <323904.40143.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <323904.40143.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100128132455.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> At 03:10 PM 1/28/2010, Edmund Conen wrote: > >>Nothing like the excitement tho' of coming around a sharp turn to see >oncoming rally traffic and then figure out that your navigator was >trying to turn route instruction pages with his GLOVED hands! > >> > >>Lester > > My friend and I used to regularly get lost on rallies because we > were having tooo much fun talking about how we got lost on the previous rally! > Ed in NC :-) ==== My navigatrix used to insist that WE were the only right ones. Unfortunately she was right..... but only once. Peter C From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 16:18:00 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite racer on BaT Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001281518j42813c44m6a1433cef7a363b3@mail.gmail.com> http://bringatrailer.com/2010/01/28/bat-exclusive-1959-austin-healey-sprite-racer/ From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 16:18:51 2010 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc this is how I would want mine made! Actually, your H-D was made along those lines... Except they used a lot of beer, booze, bongs and badass rock & roll to bring it to life! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... Many different H-Ds in the past! From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 16:31:13 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:31:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e1001281531g6a00e9d4j780aaf972545ac31@mail.gmail.com> I especially like the idea of DNA cloning and then growing the engines to maturity... ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:18 PM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc > > this is how I would want mine made! > > Actually, your H-D was made along those lines... Except they used a > lot of beer, booze, bongs and badass rock & roll to bring it to life! > > -- > Kent > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... > Many different H-Ds in the past! From healeyrick at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 17:28:39 2010 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:28:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <222752.52694.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> C'mon Mike, you know you love your American Iron obnoxious loud pipes too much to buy a Brit bike. (Inside joke for Healey listers). Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo --- On Thu, 1/28/10, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: From: rrengineer @dslextreme.com Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III To: "Spridget" Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 4:03 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc Check out how Triumph Rocket III motorcycles are made in Great Britain. If I had gone the British route for a motorcycle this is how I would want mine made! Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 02 Harley Davidson Heritage Springer Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Thu Jan 28 17:50:43 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:50:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III In-Reply-To: <222752.52694.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <222752.52694.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: O.K., you got me there. Mike On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:28 PM, HealeyRick wrote: > C'mon Mike, you know you love your American Iron obnoxious loud pipes too > much to buy a Brit bike. (Inside joke for Healey listers). > > Rick > > Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo > > --- On *Thu, 1/28/10, rrengineer @dslextreme.com < > rrengineer at dslextreme.com>* wrote: > > > From: rrengineer @dslextreme.com > Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III > To: "Spridget" > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 4:03 PM > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc > > Check out how Triumph Rocket III motorcycles are made in Great Britain. If > I > had gone the British route for a motorcycle this is how I would want mine > made! > > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > 02 Harley Davidson Heritage Springer > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From stargazer1 at cox.net Thu Jan 28 17:57:12 2010 From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:57:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <993346.62341.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <993346.62341.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B623268.9020404@cox.net> On 1/28/2010 11:20 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > Having owned two 124 Spiders and an X 1/9, it was my experience they were > worth their weight in iron oxide. > I had a 131 2-door sedan. It turned out to be a very nice car so long as I kept it out of the hand of FIAT mechanics. One of those ham-handed neanderthals managed to cross thread a sparking plug on its 1000 mile check. Naturally, the FIAT dealer that found it wouldn't fix it. Cheers, Dave Ambrose From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:09:03 2010 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:09:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List In-Reply-To: <4B623268.9020404@cox.net> References: <993346.62341.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B623268.9020404@cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:57 PM, David Ambrose wrote: I had a 131 2-door sedan. It turned out to be a very nice car so long as I kept it out of the hand of FIAT mechanics. One of those ham-handed neanderthals managed to cross thread a sparking plug on its 1000 mile check. Naturally, the FIAT dealer that found it wouldn't fix it. I had a Fiat 850 coupe that was well worth the $100 that I paid for it back in the mid 70s. Especially because I sold it for a profit! My wife had a 1981 Fiat Brava 4 door that was a great deal when we bought it. In 4 years that she owned it, she put 16K on it. The drive train was perfect but the brake MC was shot, the exhaust system needed to be replaced, the seams on the seats were split, the paint was peeling off, the A/C quit, etc. -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From healeyrick at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 19:13:44 2010 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:13:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] was Bucket, Now FIAT In-Reply-To: <4B623268.9020404@cox.net> Message-ID: <815068.30881.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wasn't trying to take a cheap shot at FIATS, ran mine to over 100k with hardly any problems. The twin cam motor in the 124 Spiders was sweet and loved to rev. Only thing that killed the cars was the rust (ok, one of the Spiders was killed by the bow of a 67 Pontiac Bonneville that rear ended it). Read recently that the X 1/9s were made from cheap Russian steel and that Bertone used to leave the bare steel finished bodies outside in the rain, then painted right over them. Don't know if it's true but my X 1/9 started rusting around the windshield pillar in under a yr from buying it new. Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo --- On Thu, 1/28/10, David Ambrose wrote: From: David Ambrose Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross One Off the Bucket List To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:57 PM On 1/28/2010 11:20 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > Having owned two 124 Spiders and an X 1/9, it was my experience they were > worth their weight in iron oxide. > I had a 131 2-door sedan. It turned out to be a very nice car so long as I kept it out of the hand of FIAT mechanics. One of those ham-handed neanderthals managed to cross thread a sparking plug on its 1000 mile check. Naturally, the FIAT dealer that found it wouldn't fix it. Cheers, Dave Ambrose Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Jan 28 19:20:02 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Message-ID: <741718.40056.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Forgive an old man's stupidity, but << a highly developed chassis that has been corner weighted >> what does "corner weighted" mean ??? Dave G. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 28 19:34:18 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:34:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: <741718.40056.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <741718.40056.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dave, on race cars you want the cross corner weights to be as close to each other as possible. IOW, the LF+RR = RF+LR. You can change the weights by making suspension adjustments. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "DAVID GROPPER" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:20 PM To: Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Forgive an old man's stupidity, but << a highly developed chassis that has been corner weighted >> what does "corner weighted" mean ??? Dave G. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Jan 28 19:51:15 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Message-ID: <409644.43240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Larry, Thanks... it's obvious know that someone told me Doh! I'm assuming it's because we (spridget types) have to turn both left and right.. unlike those NASC....oops! nearly started a war ;-) I read somewhere that *they* want to bring back 'bumping' and 'boring'! Thanks again ;^) Dave G. Dave G. From soavero at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 20:20:42 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:20:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Message-ID: <664269.39962.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tough to do on a Sprite, which is why so many of us vintage racers have to binge/purge on Whoppers and Bass Ale on race weekends. Ron --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Larry Daniels wrote: Dave, on race cars you want the cross corner weights to be as close to each other as possible. IOW, the LF+RR = RF+LR. You can change the weights by making suspension adjustments. LAD From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 28 20:27:50 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:27:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: <664269.39962.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <664269.39962.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At least with enough Bass Ale you are happy whether you win or not. Must have priorities. Less than 4 months to go until the first race. Getting psyched yet? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Soave" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:20 PM To: Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Tough to do on a Sprite, which is why so many of us vintage racers have to binge/purge on Whoppers and Bass Ale on race weekends. Ron --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Larry Daniels wrote: Dave, on race cars you want the cross corner weights to be as close to each other as possible. IOW, the LF+RR = RF+LR. You can change the weights by making suspension adjustments. LAD Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From sales at justbrits.com Thu Jan 28 20:41:41 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:41:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: References: <664269.39962.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B6258F5.40708@justbrits.com> << Getting psyched yet? >> "Yet", Larry ?!?!?! He hasn't some "down" since his FIRST race !!! It will prolly take the first race THIS year to even get his feet CLOSE to the ground [but I doubt it] !! From sales at justbrits.com Thu Jan 28 20:44:02 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:44:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: <664269.39962.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <664269.39962.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B625982.1010602@justbrits.com> << which is why so many of us vintage racers have to binge/purge on Whoppers and Bass Ale on race weekends. >> In your case 'Hopper, just WHY do I think the latter is more of the norm ?!?!? !! From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Jan 28 20:59:31 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:59:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] pridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: <4B6253AF.6040603@justbrits.com> References: <409644.43240.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4B6253AF.6040603@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <954670.22484.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi 'Me', I have been 'bumped' at over 130mph on the track - it was in a left handed adverse cambered turn. I ended up in the Armco and had to be cut out. ;-) I've also been spun, flipped upside down, rolled, etc... I don't think I ever had time to poop my pants, it happened too fast although it seemed like slo-mo. But I have bloodied them more than once! ... but that was long, long ago -- in my 20's and 30's - when I had less 'smarts' and didn't have kids... Although I appreciate the engineering that goes into those cars, I meant that they don't have to balance for going left *and* right at speed.... As for "bumping and boring" -- I know what I meant but don't know the American description (notice the big "A"?? but I know it when it happens to me ;^) I heard the comment on ESPN -- " to bring back the excitement!".... No "War" intended... Dave G. ________________________________ From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" Pay VERY close to the "bump drafting" think yourself into the bumpees driver's seat and come back and try to explain to me that it was OK on the straights and that you didn't SHIT yer drawers when it happen IN a corner at just shy of TWO [2] HUNDRED miles-an-hour !!! From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Jan 28 21:00:48 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:00:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: References: <664269.39962.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <864877.72079.qm@web84205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I tend to go with Bass Shandies --- yeah.. I'm a wimp! Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Daniels At least with enough Bass Ale you are happy whether you win or not. Must have priorities. From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Jan 28 21:08:57 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:08:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <244107.28733.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mike, Thanks for a great laugh... I even sent it to my 20 yr old daughter who sent back "ROTFL" She said at first she thought 'What the heck?" but thaen twigged... Great laugh. Thanks ;-) Dave G. ----- Original Message ---- From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc From conen at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 28 21:29:16 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:29:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FIAT (was: Cross One Off the Bucket List Message-ID: <513910.59744.qm@web180203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> per Rick...' >>Having owned two 124 Spiders and an X 1/9, it was my experience they were worth their weight in iron oxide. It took you -3- tries??? :-) I used to autocross an E-prepared(poorly) 850 Spyder. GREAT fun on tight courses! Ed in NC From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 09:45:09 2010 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:45:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite racer on BaT In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c1001281518j42813c44m6a1433cef7a363b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <8de85a9c1001281518j42813c44m6a1433cef7a363b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What about this? http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1565613259.html I was searching for Sprites in the DFW area, so I don't know why this came up.... On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Jeff Foster wrote: > > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/01/28/bat-exclusive-1959-austin-healey-sprite-racer/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Fri Jan 29 10:32:52 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:32:52 EST Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Message-ID: Or something like that .... In a message dated 29/01/2010 02:34:50 GMT Standard Time, ladaniels at sbcglobal.net writes: You can change the weights by making suspension adjustments. From hgmiller3 at qwest.net Fri Jan 29 11:37:40 2010 From: hgmiller3 at qwest.net (Herbert Miller) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:37:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: References: <741718.40056.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <051701caa112$24eb63d0$6ec22b70$@net> Actually you want the wheel weights to be equal, side to side, especially the front for stable, straight braking. It is true that if the wheel weights are equal side to side, the diagonal weights will be equal, but having equal diagonal weights does not guarantee equality side to side. Herb Miller -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:34 PM To: DAVID GROPPER; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Dave, on race cars you want the cross corner weights to be as close to each other as possible. IOW, the LF+RR = RF+LR. You can change the weights by making suspension adjustments. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "DAVID GROPPER" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:20 PM To: Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Forgive an old man's stupidity, but << a highly developed chassis that has been corner weighted >> what does "corner weighted" mean ??? Dave G. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as hgmiller3 at qwest.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2642 - Release Date: 01/29/10 03:08:00 From kk7ss at verizon.net Fri Jan 29 12:05:20 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:05:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Toe-in question.. (sotra wheel loading) Message-ID: <93655.28240.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Waay back when I had an Alfa-Romeo, toe-in was set after pre-loading the front end, to try for better straight line braking. Would I get the same benefit if I put a hundred pounds of download on the front-end of a Spridget before setting the toe-in? Or does the steering geometry auto-compensate? Dave G. From conen at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 29 12:25:11 2010 From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:25:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Message-ID: <719201.97939.qm@web180205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> per Dave G... >>I tend to go with Bass Shandies --- yeah.. I'm a wimp! I like A&W. ;-) Ed in NC From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Fri Jan 29 12:41:06 2010 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:41:06 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III In-Reply-To: <244107.28733.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <244107.28733.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I did not know it was going to take that twist of dry British humor when I started to watch it either. Nice surprise. Mike On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, DAVID GROPPER wrote: > Mike, > > Thanks for a great laugh... I even sent it to my 20 yr old daughter who > sent back "ROTFL" > > She said at first she thought 'What the heck?" but thaen twigged... > > Great laugh. Thanks ;-) > > Dave G. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" > Subject: [Spridgets] Triumph Rocket III > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From fastvee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 14:17:30 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:17:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Toe-in question.. (sotra wheel loading) In-Reply-To: <93655.28240.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <148673.77917.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You didn't mention if the Alfa was a race or street car? I don't know why the Alfa was preloaded to set toe because it is not loaded that way when you are running down the road, and it is directional stability that is most important. Perhaps it had some quirky geometry that needed that help in braking. Every thing is a compromise. If we are talking about a race car ,the object is going fast and you want to have optimum toe going down the straights. If toe changes during braking it doesn't matter as much because you are slowing down anyway. You sometimes want to try different toe settings to improve turn in though, and that is especially true if you use a lot of camber. You look for the best compromises for the package you're using, and sometimes that could be toe out. For example, you might learn that using as much as 3/16" toe out can improve turn in without hurting straight line speed. You may compromise directional stability and I wouldn't recommend it for driving on the streets. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Fri, 1/29/10, DAVID GROPPER wrote: From: DAVID GROPPER Subject: [Spridgets] Toe-in question.. (sotra wheel loading) To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 2:05 PM Waay back when I had an Alfa-Romeo, toe-in was set after pre-loading the front end, to try for better straight line braking. Would I get the same benefit if I put a hundred pounds of download on the front-end of a Spridget before setting the toe-in? Or does the steering geometry auto-compensate? Dave G. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From eap2140 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 14:58:51 2010 From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:58:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] '71 boot lid on a '78 Message-ID: <672597.44411.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will a '71 boot lid fit on my car? Latch and hinges line up OK? Edward Perez Snohomish, WA 78 Midget (1275) http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbc_newbie/ From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:59:44 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:59:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] '71 boot lid on a '78 In-Reply-To: <672597.44411.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <672597.44411.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001291359o5de748f9l66a135cf2f9d7338@mail.gmail.com> Should. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Edward Perez wrote: > Will a '71 boot lid fit on my car? Latch and hinges line up OK? From kk7ss at verizon.net Fri Jan 29 15:05:48 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:05:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Toe-in question.. (sorta wheel loading) Message-ID: <664622.63254.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi John, >> You didn't mention if the Alfa was a race or street car? It was an Alfa Sprint set up for Solo II. IIRC, the Alfa workshop manual recommended pre-loading to compensate for the change in toe-in caused by the weight transfer under heavy braking (something like the infamous early VW Beetle bump-steer effect). The dealer used some sort of tie down chain!! Thinking a bit more about my query, I suppose I should have asked "Does the Spridget 'bump-steer'"? I've just had some minor repair work done on my Heart taking medication and putting up with some activity restrictions set by the Doctor ;-(( So, instead of working on the car, I'm thinking of my to-do list and considering "what if I tried x or y or z"! I remembered some-one on the list mentioning that the trunnion bolts should be tightened with the wheels supporting the car instead of being on the jacks with the wheels hanging down. This got me thinking about my '76 Midget which is riding too high at the front, which got me thinking about toe-in, which led to... yada, yada, yada, You can guess the rest of the sequence ;^D Dave G. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 29 16:39:19 2010 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:39:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... In-Reply-To: <051701caa112$24eb63d0$6ec22b70$@net> References: <741718.40056.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <051701caa112$24eb63d0$6ec22b70$@net> Message-ID: Herb, what do you do then if the center of gravity is not on the centerline of the car? You won't get the two fronts equal or the two rears equal. And weight jacking can not always make up the difference without jacking one side of the car sky high which messes with your ride height and roll centers. OK, ideally you want the right front to carry the same percentage of the right side weights as the total front's percentage of the total weight. And then the same with the left side. Then the diagonals should be equal. Then, to get really technical, sometimes you don't want the sides to be equal if there are more turns in one direction than another. Dave Grandeffo, are you out there? LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Herbert Miller" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:37 PM To: "'Larry Daniels'" ; "'DAVID GROPPER'" ; Subject: RE: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Actually you want the wheel weights to be equal, side to side, especially the front for stable, straight braking. It is true that if the wheel weights are equal side to side, the diagonal weights will be equal, but having equal diagonal weights does not guarantee equality side to side. Herb Miller -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:34 PM To: DAVID GROPPER; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The BaT Bugeye Racer... Dave, on race cars you want the cross corner weights to be as close to each other as possible. IOW, the LF+RR = RF+LR. You can change the weights by making suspension adjustments. LAD -------------------------------------------------- From fastvee at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 18:14:04 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Toe-in question.. (sorta wheel loading) In-Reply-To: <664622.63254.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <309028.3027.qm@web34401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave, I've never bump steered a stock Spridget to quantify it but my 74 has too much bumpsteer. It is slightly lowered so that's one reason for it, the more you lower the car the worse the bumpsteer gets. The race Sprite was lowered approx 3" and it needed the rack moved up 3/8" along with other minor changes. You can't have good bump steer through the complete range of suspension travel, so you compromise to make it the best in bump, and that takes care of braking and the loaded wheel in cornering. I lowered my 74 Midget in the front also. I didn't set out to lower it intentionally, but because the rear suspension was lower. Found out later there is a broken leaf on the LR, and I will be soon replacing the springs, bushings, shocks, building a panhard bar, finding and repairing a hole or crack in the rear axle housing, and removing the wire wheels. You might want to check your rear springs also, especially if the ride height is not the same on the LR and RR. Hey you have to have time to do your planning also, so don't worry about your down time. I just remind myself this is just a hobby, for years is was more like a job. I enjoy it more now when I'm in the shop. Just follow the doctor's orders and be healthy and ready for the better weather. I am now two weeks into a hiatus from my garage and it's likely to be a couple more weeks. We are acclimating and training an 8 month old golden retriever we adopted, and my limited patience is getting a workout John Fogelsville, PA. --- On Fri, 1/29/10, DAVID GROPPER wrote: From: DAVID GROPPER Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Toe-in question.. (sorta wheel loading) To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 5:05 PM Hi John, >> You didn't mention if the Alfa was a race or street car? It was an Alfa Sprint set up for Solo II. IIRC, the Alfa workshop manual recommended pre-loading to compensate for the change in toe-in caused by the weight transfer under heavy braking (something like the infamous early VW Beetle bump-steer effect). The dealer used some sort of tie down chain!! Thinking a bit more about my query, I suppose I should have asked "Does the Spridget 'bump-steer'"? I've just had some minor repair work done on my Heart taking medication and putting up with some activity restrictions set by the Doctor ;-(( So, instead of working on the car, I'm thinking of my to-do list and considering "what if I tried x or y or z"! I remembered some-one on the list mentioning that the trunnion bolts should be tightened with the wheels supporting the car instead of being on the jacks with the wheels hanging down. This got me thinking about my '76 Midget which is riding too high at the front, which got me thinking about toe-in, which led to... yada, yada, yada, You can guess the rest of the sequence ;^D Dave G. Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 00:42:24 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:42:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Selling my Bugeye Message-ID: <88887.35621.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1960 Bugeye, $11,900. Currently has 1275 with a Weber and ribcase. A good 948 with less than 10,000 miles on it was pulled for the 1275, and it comes with the car, as does a pair of HS2 carburetors. Paint is British Racing Green (Aston Martin's version, "New Racing Green."). Biscuit interior that somehow looks factory, great all around condition. 1275 was assembled by me to meticulous standards and runs beautifully. Pistons are .020-over stock dish. Cam is a tick hotter than street, car goes like stink. Car still has generator, 4 wheel drum brakes, stock wheels and many other stock elements. Currently running a 3.90 rear end, which makes it a little more pleasant at 50 - 65 MPH. It has been well maintained and driven regularly, most recently this summer as a daily fair weather driver. Many listers can vouch for this car. It has literally thousands of dollars of good Peter C parts on it. It's been idle since November and I will go through it thoroughly as soon as the weather warms a bit here in Illinois, and I am confident you could drive it home anywhere. When I bought it 13(!) years ago, I drove it from Louisville to Melbourne FL, and the car has only been improved since then. It has been on again/off again with this car for years, mostly due to racing interests and E-Type/Elan lust. I think this time is it. From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 13:55:52 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:55:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Nevermind - Re: Selling my Bugeye In-Reply-To: <88887.35621.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <129956.2862.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My son absolutely forbade me to sell the car. I was surprised at the severity of his reaction - Looks like we have a "buyer" in the family. Thanks for the inquiries received. Sorry for jerking anyone's chain. Ron --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Ron Soave wrote: > From: Ron Soave > Subject: [Spridgets] Selling my Bugeye > To: "Spridgets" > Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:42 AM > 1960 Bugeye, $11,900. > > Currently has 1275 with a Weber and ribcase. A good > 948 with less than 10,000 miles on it was pulled for the > 1275, and it comes > with the car, as does a pair of HS2 carburetors. Paint is > British Racing Green > (Aston Martin's version, "New Racing Green."). Biscuit > interior that somehow > looks factory, great all around condition. 1275 was > assembled by me to > meticulous standards and runs beautifully. Pistons are > .020-over stock dish. > Cam is a tick hotter than street, car goes like stink. Car > still has > generator, 4 wheel drum brakes, stock wheels and many other > stock elements. > Currently running a 3.90 rear end, which makes it a little > more pleasant at 50 > - 65 MPH. It has been well maintained and driven regularly, > most recently this > summer as a daily fair weather driver. Many listers can > vouch for this car. It > has literally thousands of dollars of good Peter C parts on > it. It's been idle > since November and I will go through it thoroughly as soon > as the > weather warms a bit here in Illinois, and I am confident > you could drive it > home anywhere. When I bought it 13(!) years ago, I drove it > from Louisville to > Melbourne FL, and the car has only been improved since > then. > > It has been on > again/off again with this car for years, mostly due to > racing interests and > E-Type/Elan lust. I think this time is it. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Jan 30 14:11:29 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:11:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Nevermind - Re: Selling my Bugeye In-Reply-To: <129956.2862.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <129956.2862.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B64A081.5050400@comcast.net> Ron Soave wrote: > My son absolutely forbade me to sell the car. I was surprised at the severity > of his reaction - Looks like we have a "buyer" in the family. > > Ron I have an Austin A40 I can't sell either. Daughter's first car, not that she put 10 miles on it since she was 17, she is now 27 So that adds up to 1 mile per year. She doesn't drive it, I have to store it, and can NOT sell it. Hmmm, I wonder if she would even know it's missing if I did sell it? Anybody want an A40? A Sprite that looks like a station wagon, bigger than a Mini. 1275, 5 speed, power windows, etc. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 30 14:27:53 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:27:53 EST Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions Message-ID: Hi List, NO LBC. Currently I have a new 40" TV, a blu-ray player and a very old Denon Amp. I run all my blu-ray/DVD sound to my Amp (TV speakers on mute) and can hear the difference on a blu-ray to DVD. I can get more volume than I need and everything sounds great. Except, the Amp is old and has what appears to be an intermittant fault that produces hiss on right hand channel (irrespective of what speaker is on it). So I plan to retire the Denon Amp and replace it with a Denon AVR1910. Since most of my money that I don't have is going to buy the AVR1910 I'm planning on sticking with my 2 current speakers but have a few questions to anyone that understands this stuff. I'd like to use the best possible leads which I guess are HDMI. I've been told I can run an HDMI from the blu-ray to the AVR1910 and then from the AVR1910 to the TV. Anyone done that? I'm guessing the AVR1910 ignores the video signal which it sends on the telly having done 'stuff' with the audio and shoved it out of my speakers. I can add the only reason this matters to me is that I don't want to buy an HDMI lead and not need it. My existing speakers are very good but old. Can I put any old cheap speakers on to the surround outputs to get surround sound (4 speakers) or will this sound worse than the sound I hear from my existing 2 really good speakers? Any other advice or a full user manual PDF (not the glossy 2-3 page brochure) anyone can send me off list? Final question, any reason to buy the cheaper AVR1610 or more expensive AVR2300 from Denon? Thanks Daniel From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Jan 30 14:29:32 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:29:32 EST Subject: [Spridgets] A40 was Re: Nevermind - Re: Selling my Bugeye Message-ID: Will it pull 80mph plus with some big guys in it with a skinny driver and pass Sprites on dual carriageway at night? Enquiring minds already know.. In a message dated 30/01/2010 21:10:08 GMT Standard Time, spritenut at comcast.net writes: 1275, 5 speed, power windows, etc. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 14:33:33 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:33:33 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Nevermind - Re: Selling my Bugeye In-Reply-To: <4B64A081.5050400@comcast.net> References: <129956.2862.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B64A081.5050400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001301333o68084178ld9d4a5da9030f8e7@mail.gmail.com> No way, Buddy!! That thing stops in the middle of two lane bridges!!! ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Frank wrote: > Ron Soave wrote: > >> My son absolutely forbade me to sell the car. I was surprised at the >> severity >> of his reaction - Looks like we have a "buyer" in the family. >> >> >> > Ron > > I have an Austin A40 I can't sell either. > Daughter's first car, not that she put 10 miles on it since she was 17, she > is now 27 > So that adds up to 1 mile per year. > She doesn't drive it, I have to store it, and can NOT sell it. > Hmmm, I wonder if she would even know it's missing if I did sell it? > Anybody want an A40? A Sprite that looks like a station wagon, bigger than > a Mini. > 1275, 5 speed, power windows, etc. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) From derf247 at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 15:57:46 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:57:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9911001301457r5adc7d78j84760f4870a42139@mail.gmail.com> Check your cables and connections. Intermittent hiss is often wiring related. Does it happen in all formats or just Blu-ray? From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 16:15:48 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:15:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <970919.4460.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 1/30/10, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > told I can run an HDMI from the blu-ray to the AVR1910 and > then from the > AVR1910 to the TV. Anyone done that? Sure. I'm not exactly sure what the Denon has for video passthough, but it almost certainly upconverts to 1080p. Buy the cheapest HDMI 1.3 cable you can. > My existing speakers are very good but old. Can I put > any old cheap > speakers on to the surround outputs to get surround sound > (4 speakers) or will Pretty much. I'm a planar speaker junkie and went the other route and have Magnepans (www.magnepan.com) for surrounds as well as front, and especially for the side surrounds there is very little information that goes through them. I have a dedicated "theater" room and it's nice to have a top-shelf solution for only a few hundred bucks extra, but not necessary. > Final question, any reason to buy the cheaper AVR1610 or > more expensive > AVR2300 from Denon? If you run something with a demanding load (see above Magnepans) you want a big honking power supply. Chances are that's what the more expensive one would give you, but you probably don't need it. Ron From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Jan 30 16:41:14 2010 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:41:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1788825034.20100130154114@pacifier.com> Hello WeslakeMonza1330, HDMI cables are HDMI cables. No one is really better in performance than another, ergo get the cheapest if you have to buy. I have a MacIntosh MC2105 plugged into the back of my TV, with HDMI leads coming from the cable box, powering Klipsch Heresy speakers. All the sound equipment is from the mid 1970's, but it works just fine... When it comes to Audio gear, whether speakers or amps or anything else, specs are specs, but if YOU can't HEAR the difference then there isn't any. Keep in mind however that more speakers have been blown by underpowered amplifiers than over powered ones. This is because an underpowered one can be turned up so loud that the amplifier itself starts to "clip". When this happens it sends clipped sound waves to the speakers which they try to faithfully reproduce, which destroys them. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" An atheist is a man with no invisible means of support. From derf247 at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 16:51:44 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:51:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: <1788825034.20100130154114@pacifier.com> References: <1788825034.20100130154114@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001301551n207e0e89tf218fb57ac327714@mail.gmail.com> I've got three Klipsch Heresys in my den, too. I like them a lot, although Klipsch sold out, IMHO, and is no longer what they used to be. I had some LaScalas for a while but they were too big for my 20'X20' den. I used to be big on Hafler power but kinda went away, too. I think I might still have a couple of Haflers around somewhere. The power transistors are an expensive matched set, though so when the go it is cheaper to get newer power. > I have a MacIntosh MC2105 plugged into the back of my TV, with > HDMI leads coming from the cable box, powering Klipsch Heresy > speakers. All the sound equipment is from the mid 1970's, but it > works just fine... From fastvee at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 16:53:43 2010 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:53:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Nevermind - Re: Selling my Bugeye In-Reply-To: <129956.2862.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <780851.13220.qm@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Smart kid Ron! Awh, we're getting use to you jerking our chain. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Ron Soave wrote: From: Ron Soave Subject: [Spridgets] Nevermind - Re: Selling my Bugeye To: "Spridgets" Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:55 PM My son absolutely forbade me to sell the car. I was surprised at the severity of his reaction - Looks like we have a "buyer" in the family. Thanks for the inquiries received. Sorry for jerking anyone's chain. Ron --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Ron Soave wrote: > From: Ron Soave > Subject: [Spridgets] Selling my Bugeye > To: "Spridgets" > Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:42 AM > 1960 Bugeye, $11,900. > > Currently has 1275 with a Weber and ribcase. A good > 948 with less than 10,000 miles on it was pulled for the > 1275, and it comes > with the car, as does a pair of HS2 carburetors. Paint is > British Racing Green > (Aston Martin's version, "New Racing Green."). Biscuit > interior that somehow > looks factory, great all around condition. 1275 was > assembled by me to > meticulous standards and runs beautifully. Pistons are > .020-over stock dish. > Cam is a tick hotter than street, car goes like stink. Car > still has > generator, 4 wheel drum brakes, stock wheels and many other > stock elements. > Currently running a 3.90 rear end, which makes it a little > more pleasant at 50 > - 65 MPH. It has been well maintained and driven regularly, > most recently this > summer as a daily fair weather driver. Many listers can > vouch for this car. It > has literally thousands of dollars of good Peter C parts on > it. It's been idle > since November and I will go through it thoroughly as soon > as the > weather warms a bit here in Illinois, and I am confident > you could drive it > home anywhere. When I bought it 13(!) years ago, I drove it > from Louisville to > Melbourne FL, and the car has only been improved since > then. > > It has been on > again/off again with this car for years, mostly due to > racing interests and > E-Type/Elan lust. I think this time is it. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From sales at justbrits.com Sat Jan 30 18:50:06 2010 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:50:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: <1788825034.20100130154114@pacifier.com> References: <1788825034.20100130154114@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <4B64E1CE.6070007@justbrits.com> Let's face facts, Bill ...... <> It's better "stuff" !!! My shop receiver?? Pioneer SX-626 which runs circles around a Pioneer '02 or '03 receiver of QUOTE same specs. End QUOTE as per the Sales Rep AND "paper work". UGH ! I do need a couple "wheat lights" tho !!! LOL Ed From froggi60 at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 18:52:57 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:52:57 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 1928 Car repair mailer. (This one should be complete) NO LBC...but 'car' Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001301752j49d906b3nd09ab349c20e1d80@mail.gmail.com> 1928 Car Repair Mailer. Hope you can open and read this. Less than 100 yrs ago, Automotive repair in 1928... and on a penny postcard ** [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image0023.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image0012.jpg] From jfishbein at snet.net Sat Jan 30 18:53:56 2010 From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:53:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: <4B64E1CE.6070007@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <109331.40676.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> As a closet audiophile, (McIntosh, Levinson, Threshold, Martin Logan, etc.), I find it sad that the manufacturer of most of today's "sound equipment" is Apple. jay fishbein wallingford, ct 63 Pink Sprite Mk II - (w/baby seat but no baby) 61 Innocenti 950 61 Innocenti 950 63 Innocenti S --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Sales at " Just Brits " wrote: From: Sales at " Just Brits " Subject: Re: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 8:50 PM Let's face facts, Bill ...... <> From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Jan 30 19:36:47 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:36:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] [9issa] Photos: Old cars and trains : ) In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b11001301801n14d3fc36u4fbc53df5c1a90ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b11001301801n14d3fc36u4fbc53df5c1a90ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46413.56040.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> What memories those just brought back... Amongst others are; My Grandpa picking me up from school in a pre-war SS Jag. In 1967 going from Pretoria to Durban in a Lambo' Miura (they only cost about $20K back then; pity it wasn't mine!) Riding to work, in 1971 in Jo'burg, daily in a Studebaker Lark, and Driving every other week in the early 80's from Patuxent NAS, MD to Norfolk Navy Base , VA in boat-tail Grand Prix.. Current daily drivwe is a rice-burner... (Thinks... the cars I should have kept are many.... ) Dave G. From froggi60 at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 19:46:18 2010 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:46:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: <109331.40676.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4B64E1CE.6070007@justbrits.com> <109331.40676.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b11001301846i4c5293fbg50143e1fbb5793b@mail.gmail.com> I still watch a 19 incher (don't do much watchin'), but thinking about an upper end Samsung or Sony...no hurry! Will go with one of those fancy-assed Blu-Ray thingies too. For now, the sound coming via my Carver,* Nakamichi & Dalquist equipment is all I need (and can still hear!).* * * *Herb* *PS How large a tv can I carry home in FROGGI???* From davriker at nwi.net Sat Jan 30 19:46:14 2010 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:46:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions References: Message-ID: If you can avoid running the HDMI through the amp, do so. The Monitor and the Blue Ray Player have to "shake hands" so to speak. Occasionally, when there is an intermediary, the signal is lost. The TV will flash a warning message and will go black. What is happening, is that the TV thinks you are trying to duplicate the signal, ie burn your own dvd, or save a copy to a hard drive, or view on more than one screen at a time, all of which are violations of the copy right on the dvd. The DVD player should have a digital optical audio output. If your new amp has this capability, use the HDMI for the video signal only, running straight to the TV, and run the optical digital cable for the audio channel straight to the amp. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions > Hi List, > > NO LBC. Currently I have a new 40" TV, a blu-ray player and a very old > Denon Amp. > > I run all my blu-ray/DVD sound to my Amp (TV speakers on mute) and can > hear > the difference on a blu-ray to DVD. I can get more volume than I need and > everything sounds great. Except, the Amp is old and has what appears to > be an intermittant fault that produces hiss on right hand channel > (irrespective of what speaker is on it). So I plan to retire the Denon > Amp and > replace it with a Denon AVR1910. > > Since most of my money that I don't have is going to buy the AVR1910 I'm > planning on sticking with my 2 current speakers but have a few questions > to > anyone that understands this stuff. > > I'd like to use the best possible leads which I guess are HDMI. I've > been > told I can run an HDMI from the blu-ray to the AVR1910 and then from the > AVR1910 to the TV. Anyone done that? I'm guessing the AVR1910 ignores > the > video signal which it sends on the telly having done 'stuff' with the > audio > and shoved it out of my speakers. I can add the only reason this matters > to me is that I don't want to buy an HDMI lead and not need it. > > My existing speakers are very good but old. Can I put any old cheap > speakers on to the surround outputs to get surround sound (4 speakers) or > will > this sound worse than the sound I hear from my existing 2 really good > speakers? > > Any other advice or a full user manual PDF (not the glossy 2-3 page > brochure) anyone can send me off list? > > Final question, any reason to buy the cheaper AVR1610 or more expensive > AVR2300 from Denon? > > Thanks > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/29/10 23:35:00 [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 19:49:53 2010 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:49:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <549355.8260.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FWIW, I have never had this problem. --- On Sat, 1/30/10, David Riker wrote: > From: David Riker > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions > To: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com, spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 8:46 PM > If you can avoid running the HDMI > through the amp, do so. The Monitor and > the Blue Ray Player have to "shake hands" so to > speak. Occasionally, when > there is an intermediary, the signal is lost. The TV > will flash a warning > message and will go black. What is happening, is that > the TV thinks you are > trying to duplicate the signal, ie burn your own dvd, or > save a copy to a > hard drive, or view on more than one screen at a time, all > of which are > violations of the copy right on the dvd. The DVD > player should have a > digital optical audio output. If your new amp has > this capability, use the > HDMI for the video signal only, running straight to the TV, > and run the > optical digital cable for the audio channel straight to the > amp. > > David R. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:27 PM > Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions > > > > Hi List, > > > > NO LBC. Currently I have a new 40" TV, a blu-ray > player and a very old > > Denon Amp. > > > > I run all my blu-ray/DVD sound to my Amp (TV speakers > on mute) and can > > hear > > the difference on a blu-ray to DVD. I can get > more volume than I need and > > everything sounds great. Except, the Amp is old > and has what appears to > > be an intermittant fault that produces hiss on > right hand channel > > (irrespective of what speaker is on it). > So I plan to retire the Denon > > Amp and > > replace it with a Denon AVR1910. > > > > Since most of my money that I don't have is going to > buy the AVR1910 I'm > > planning on sticking with my 2 current speakers but > have a few questions > > to > > anyone that understands this stuff. > > > > I'd like to use the best possible leads which I guess > are HDMI. I've > > been > > told I can run an HDMI from the blu-ray to the AVR1910 > and then from the > > AVR1910 to the TV. Anyone done that? I'm > guessing the AVR1910 ignores > > the > > video signal which it sends on the telly having done > 'stuff' with the > > audio > > and shoved it out of my speakers. I can add the > only reason this matters > > to me is that I don't want to buy an HDMI lead and not > need it. > > > > My existing speakers are very good but old. Can > I put any old cheap > > speakers on to the surround outputs to get surround > sound (4 speakers) or > > will > > this sound worse than the sound I hear from my > existing 2 really good > > speakers? > > > > Any other advice or a full user manual PDF (not the > glossy 2-3 page > > brochure) anyone can send me off list? > > > > Final question, any reason to buy the cheaper AVR1610 > or more expensive > > AVR2300 from Denon? > > > > Thanks > > > > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release > Date: 01/29/10 > 23:35:00 > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it > tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could > render. Please send plain text.] > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Jan 31 06:16:42 2010 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:16:42 EST Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions Message-ID: <1fbb.705488e3.3896dcba@aol.com> Yep and I changed the speaker cable to boot! It will happen in all formats and only on the right hand speaker on an intermittant basis. In a message dated 30/01/2010 22:57:46 GMT Standard Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: Check your cables and connections. Intermittent hiss is often wiring related. Does it happen in all formats or just Blu-ray? From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 07:12:18 2010 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:12:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: <1fbb.705488e3.3896dcba@aol.com> References: <1fbb.705488e3.3896dcba@aol.com> Message-ID: <-5727007195433856874@unknownmsgid> > Yep and I changed the speaker cable to boot! It will happen in all > formats and only on the right hand speaker on an intermittant basis. Weslake 1500, I suspect a filter capacitor in the right channel output is dying. I am not familiar with the guts of that amp, but I'd bet you can find a friend capable of fixing it. OTOH you might be able to open it up, locate the offending component (frequently will show a bulging top and/ or leakage), and replace it yourself. David L From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 08:00:27 2010 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:00:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC - Denon AVR1910 questions In-Reply-To: <-5727007195433856874@unknownmsgid> References: <1fbb.705488e3.3896dcba@aol.com> <-5727007195433856874@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <5f00d9911001310700p7aa2b4dsd35d7e17944e2e53@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:12 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >> Yep and I changed the speaker cable to boot! It will happen in all >> formats and only on the right hand speaker on an intermittant basis. > > Weslake 1500, > I suspect a filter capacitor in the right channel output is dying. I > am not familiar with the guts of that amp, but I'd bet you can find a > friend capable of fixing it. OTOH you might be able to open it up, > locate the offending component (frequently will show a bulging top and/ > or leakage), and replace it yourself. > David L > That sounds like a good preliminary diagnosis. It is almost always the capacitors that go out. If you do replace it then don't toss it out, find a friend who tinkers with electronics and let him have a shot at fixing it. From abcoz at hky.com Sun Jan 31 15:42:11 2010 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:42:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] is it just me getting old, or....... Message-ID: <02BECE1ABA234027B719F2F6DECA249E@OwnerPC> Today, I tuned in to Speed Channel's broadcast of the Daytona 24 hr race. Within a very short time (as in a couple of minutes), I found that: 1.) Bored. 2.) Found the cars to be butt-ugly, trashy-looking (billboards on wheels). 3.) Found the network announcers to commit the "NASCAR sin" of identifying cars as (for example) "the nine car" or "the 94 car" rather than by naming the car and it's team of drivers. 4.) I found the driver interviews to sound pretty much the same in that they all seemed to describe their car as "the (insert sponsor's name & omit car brand) car was running real good....." The other day, I watched a bit of what used to be the European Touring Car series (I forget what it's now called) and I found it to be equally as boring as Daytona and with the same complaints in my mind. The cars appeared to be caricatures of current production MBZ, BMW & Audi models. While I realize that TV takes a whole lot out of automobile racing (being there is really the ONLY way to enjoy racing), I found that I really miss the days when race cars were also things of beauty and were actually built with mostly parts produced by their manufacturers, including the chassis & bodies. I realize that the "big money" corporate sponsors pouring money into the sport have, overall, had a positive impact on professional racing as far as allowing engineering to push the performance envelope, which ultimately produces the technology that improves our daily drivers (of the modern variety) and brings spectators out in sufficient numbers to not only cover the race promoter's costs (with insurance being a huge chunk of it, I'm sure), but making it profitable enough to support the sport. But the flashy-trashy aspect of NASCAR & other pro series is even spilling over into my beloved vintage racing, with cars increasingly appearing like mini-NASCAR racers and huge, ugly NASCAR-style roll cages appearing on Spridgets & MGBs & TRs. "Progress" I suppose. But just where is it that we are progressing to? Am I the only long-time race enthusiast (and former SCCA racer) who thinks like this? Somehow I doubt it. Bud Osbourne From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 31 15:47:28 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:47:28 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] is it just me getting old, or....... In-Reply-To: <02BECE1ABA234027B719F2F6DECA249E@OwnerPC> References: <02BECE1ABA234027B719F2F6DECA249E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <758FAD3D6C4C499A8B12AF6B45020A42@spider> You're pretty much on target. (former SCCA sedan driver ...1967) ...bill =========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:42 PM To: 'Spridget Chat Group' Subject: [Spridgets] is it just me getting old, or....... Today, I tuned in to Speed Channel's broadcast of the Daytona 24 hr race. Within a very short time (as in a couple of minutes), I found that: 1.) Bored. 2.) Found the cars to be butt-ugly, trashy-looking (billboards on wheels). 3.) Found the network announcers to commit the "NASCAR sin" of identifying cars as (for example) "the nine car" or "the 94 car" rather than by naming the car and it's team of drivers. 4.) I found the driver interviews to sound pretty much the same in that they all seemed to describe their car as "the (insert sponsor's name & omit car brand) car was running real good....." The other day, I watched a bit of what used to be the European Touring Car series (I forget what it's now called) and I found it to be equally as boring as Daytona and with the same complaints in my mind. The cars appeared to be caricatures of current production MBZ, BMW & Audi models. While I realize that TV takes a whole lot out of automobile racing (being there is really the ONLY way to enjoy racing), I found that I really miss the days when race cars were also things of beauty and were actually built with mostly parts produced by their manufacturers, including the chassis & bodies. I realize that the "big money" corporate sponsors pouring money into the sport have, overall, had a positive impact on professional racing as far as allowing engineering to push the performance envelope, which ultimately produces the technology that improves our daily drivers (of the modern variety) and brings spectators out in sufficient numbers to not only cover the race promoter's costs (with insurance being a huge chunk of it, I'm sure), but making it profitable enough to support the sport. But the flashy-trashy aspect of NASCAR & other pro series is even spilling over into my beloved vintage racing, with cars increasingly appearing like mini-NASCAR racers and huge, ugly NASCAR-style roll cages appearing on Spridgets & MGBs & TRs. "Progress" I suppose. But just where is it that we are progressing to? Am I the only long-time race enthusiast (and former SCCA racer) who thinks like this? Somehow I doubt it. Bud Osbourne Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as corvallis at peoplepc.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Jan 31 15:51:09 2010 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:51:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] is it just me getting old, or....... In-Reply-To: <02BECE1ABA234027B719F2F6DECA249E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I've never been able to watch racing on TV because they keep zooming in on a car and keeping it center screen. I'd watch if they they'd just set a camera on a tripod and let me watch the way the drivers drive and the line they take around the course. They manage to cover baseball without keeping a constant close-up of the ball in the center of the screen. From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 31 15:54:22 2010 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:54:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] is it just me getting old, or....... In-Reply-To: References: <02BECE1ABA234027B719F2F6DECA249E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Baseball announcers are very versed in the game; tradition. Any game with 'ball' in it fairs better than car racing. Too subtle ...unless someone crashes. ...bill =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:51 PM To: Bud Osbourne; 'Spridget Chat Group' Subject: Re: [Spridgets] is it just me getting old, or....... I've never been able to watch racing on TV because they keep zooming in on a car and keeping it center screen. I'd watch if they they'd just set a camera on a tripod and let me watch the way the drivers drive and the line they take around the course. They manage to cover baseball without keeping a constant close-up of the ball in the center of the screen. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Jan 31 19:23:41 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:23:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Speedwell redo Message-ID: <4B663B2D.9050808@comcast.net> I am in the process of re-restoring or should I say "refreshing" my 59 Speedwell clone Sprite. I never did like the Dzus fasteners that held the bonnet latched so I am adapting Spitfire bonnet latches to it. They are going to work fine but cutting the slot and making a back plate took a bit of time. I also took away the rear deck seams since I had some rust bubbles along them, not anymore. After I did Tiffany's Lady Bug with no seams, I like the look. I am rebuilding the engine too, just new rings and bearings to freshen it up. It was rebuilt in 1998 originally so it is time. New carpets and a pair of MKII Sprite seats just to comfort my aging back for those long drives (NJ to Elkhart Lake, WI) I also wasn't expecting the rust under the carpets on the inside of the floors, most of the paint was flaking off so that had to be wire wheeled off, treated and will get some etch primer and a fresh coat of paint along with the rest of the car. I needed to tidy up the wires behind the dash with 10 or 11 gauges and 9 or 10 toggle switches, cruise control, 4 way flashers, and a check smoke gauge, it was a mess. All tidy now but still laying on the work bench along with a semi assembled engine waiting on rings and seals for the timing belt set up. So next week when this one is finished, ;) I'll bring in the $50 Midget and see just how cheap, I mean economically I can make a Midget out of just a body shell. All I think I need are new hydraulics, I should have everything else. And after that one, I have a Bugeye that needs everything including a new home. I have too many cars! -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Jan 31 19:41:51 2010 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:41:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Really? Message-ID: <4B663F6F.8060906@comcast.net> *http://tinyurl.com/y89ze8n WAYYYYY too many ZEROS * From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Jan 31 20:35:09 2010 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:35:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Really? In-Reply-To: <4B663F6F.8060906@comcast.net> References: <4B663F6F.8060906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <383562.84422.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Body in good condition with very little rusty" ??? I must need new glasses... Dave G. From herby at herbytoys.com Sun Jan 31 20:53:22 2010 From: herby at herbytoys.com (Herby) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:53:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Really? In-Reply-To: <383562.84422.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03DF0792AB9B4224A4C9F9CBB01B01CE@HERBYZ> I guess the Hawaiian definition of "rusty" is different from the mainland. Herby 63 MKII Sprite (Herbytoy - For Sale) 62 MKII Sprite (the "resto-mod" driver) 00 Dakota R/T (the new toy) herby at herbytoys.com www.herbytoys.com -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVID GROPPER Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:35 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Really? "Body in good condition with very little rusty" ??? I must need new glasses... Dave G. Suggested annual donation $12.75 From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Sun Jan 31 20:57:33 2010 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 03:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Really? In-Reply-To: <03DF0792AB9B4224A4C9F9CBB01B01CE@HERBYZ> Message-ID: <56637806.2048621264996653418.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> maybe we need mike rowe to explain "gecko spots" ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herby" To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:53:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Really? I guess the Hawaiian definition of "rusty" is different from the mainland. Herby 63 MKII Sprite (Herbytoy - For Sale) 62 MKII Sprite (the "resto-mod" driver) 00 Dakota R/T (the new toy) herby at herbytoys.com www.herbytoys.com B -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVID GROPPER Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:35 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Really? "Body in good condition with very little rusty" B ??? I must need new glasses... B B Dave G. Suggested annual donation $12.75 Suggested annual donation $12.75 You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 20:59:32 2010 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:59:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Really? In-Reply-To: <03DF0792AB9B4224A4C9F9CBB01B01CE@HERBYZ> References: <383562.84422.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <03DF0792AB9B4224A4C9F9CBB01B01CE@HERBYZ> Message-ID: <8de85a9c1001311959g23d9d805s2ce087a9dde78561@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Herby wrote: > I guess the Hawaiian definition of "rusty" is different from the mainland. I was thinking that their definition of "$12,000" must be different too! From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 23:23:12 2010 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 00:23:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Really? In-Reply-To: <4B663F6F.8060906@comcast.net> References: <4B663F6F.8060906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e1001312223p747f369fp19d4dfef386032d5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Frank wrote: > *http://tinyurl.com/y89ze8n > > WAYYYYY too many ZEROS > Maybe its the provenance. Maybe this vehicle originally belonged to King Kummonahwonalaiya? - Cheers!! Jim In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826)