[Spridgets] California Ammunition Restrictions

[Jim Johnson]

Larry,

That is true, but my OB GYN nurse daughter would quickly correct you. The
vast majority of the infant deaths are due not to lack of health care but
instead occur shortly after birth due to congenital defects in the baby
caused by the mother's neglect of her own health (smoking, drugs...etc.).
YOU forgot to include THAT fact in your numbers.

Look...  this sort of thing is precisely the reason we should be having in
depth discussions about things like this. Mark Twain said: "There are lies,
damned lies, and statistics!"  When we evaluate something based upon the
studies done on it, we need to also include all the caveats involved in the
studies and all the facets that we haven't adequately studied. Hardly anyone
does that outside the realm of peer reviewed science these days and that is
the reason we have some pretty stupid laws on the books.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Larry Daniels
<ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> As you said, Buster, "It is curious how some will omit statistics that do
> not support their pre-conceived ideas. "  I noticed that you failed to
> mention that the U.S. ranks 29th in infant mortality rates -- a major
factor
> in ranking a countries health.  Also note that a countries health ranking
> takes in all health conditions not just mortality rates.  Just because a
lot
> of people are alive doesn't mean they are in good health.
>
> The last time the WHO ranked the worlds health systems, we were at a solid
> 37th.  Statistically speaking, of course.  ;-))
>
> Funny you didn't mention that.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Robert Evans" <b-evans at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:21 AM
> To: <midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] California Ammunition Restrictions
>
>
>  Rod S. wrote:  "How many times do you hear of a tragic accidental death?"
>>
>> Jim Johnson wrote:  "Any accidental death is tragic, but the numbers
>> simply
>> do not bear out your pre-conceived desires."
>>
>>
>>
>> It is curious how some will omit statistics that do not support their
>> pre-conceived ideas.  In few political areas does the connection between
>> the
>> current health care debate, together with the arguments over gun
>> ownership,
>> show how vividly some will use "statistics" to falsely base their
>> arguments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Proponents of "change" in health care often cite the fact that the U.N.
>> and
>> the World Health Organization assert that the money spent on health care,
>> the U.S. ranks way down the list when it comes to life expectancy.
>> However,
>> what they fail to reveal is that this is the *overall* life expectancy
>> resulting from ALL types of death, both natural and unnatural (e.g.
>> homicide, suicide and motor vehicle accidents.)  When comparing *only*
>> natural deaths, the United States leads the world in life expectancy at
>> 76.9
>> years (Norway is second with 76.3 years), thus supporting a higher quality
>> of health care for Americans.
>>
>>
>>
>> The "unnatural life expectancy" data is skewed by homicides in America,
>> the
>> most rampant being murder among black males and females.   The National
>> Center for Health Statistics has found that homicides account for 6.1
>> deaths
>> per 100,000 among white males, but an astounding 42.1 deaths per 100,000
>> among black males.  For white females, it was only 2.2 compared to 8.6 for
>> black females.
>>
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Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein