From kgb at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct  1 00:09:02 2009
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:09:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <BLU134-DS7D5C21A3A865D830D0168AFD40@phx.gbl>
References: <c8a.46a6ce95.37f51956@aol.com>
	<BLU134-DS7D5C21A3A865D830D0168AFD40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AC4477E.1020705@frontiernet.net>

You have 30 pounds on me. I think my 100# trumps yours.  62 in December 
probably puts me in the geezerette category.

Kate

JLC wrote:
> At 132 lbs, I am probably the lightest - not too hard when one's height is
> only 5' 4"!
>
> 61 years old, so definitely in the "old geezer" category!
>
> JLC in Colorado
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  1 05:58:25 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Antique Auto Parts
Message-ID: <2388B3F361FC495AB71ADF3907C877D9@HomePC>

The Peter C. of old American parts:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VadAcb94GZE 

From fastvee at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 06:06:22 2009
From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <60CFCB66-B778-4C0C-86C5-D978BDD71694@hoppetool.com>
Message-ID: <796317.35432.qm@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'll be 58 in November but I don't know when I'll grow up.
John
Fogelsville, PA

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Matt Hagopian <mhagopian at hoppetool.com> wrote:

I rank in at the youngest!!! 22 years old!!!

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:40:43 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:40:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] one of my favorite Sprites ..........for sale $135,
	600.91
Message-ID: <205cef430910010540o4cb700ek22b5fc65cde9262b@mail.gmail.com>

This is one of my favorite Sprites. Too bad he has not enjoyed it for very
long.
What is that blue color it's hot ; )
Lin


http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C101568/

http://www.spritespot.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=sprinzelsebringsprite&page=1

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  1 06:51:18 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:51:18 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <8519933C-4D19-4E13-B206-F2AFD320BED0@me.com>
References: <d1e.49c143d8.37f4e546@aol.com>
	<298325.36830.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W50D27E77746A4D4671E76FB8D30@phx.gbl>

I'm 25, but cixelsyd.

>
> Gee, I'm just 36 - - - - - - second time around :-)
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:18:11 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:18:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
Message-ID: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>

List,

What size engine is in a 74 Midget? I thought it was a 1500 but is it really
a 1275? I'm looking at one this week because the owner offered the engine
and trans for $275. But the LBC was in a fire what should I ask regarding
the condition of this engine if it will fit my 58?

Lin



PS I took a quick peek on wiki and found this:



MG Midget MkIII (1966-1974)



The engine now grew to 1275 cc using the development seen on the
Mini<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini>-Cooper
'S'. However, enthusiasts were disappointed that this was a
de-tuned<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_tuning>version of the
Cooper 'S' engine, giving only 65 hp (48 kW) at 6000 rpm and
72 lbf7ft (98 Nm) at 3000 rpm. The Midget used the 12G940 cylinder head
casting that was common to other BMC 1300 cars, whereas the Cooper 'S' had a
special head with extra-large valves: however, these valves caused many 'S'
heads to fail through cracking between the valve seats.

The hood was now permanently attached to the car, with an improved mechanism
making it much easier to use. There were minor changes to the body in 1969
with the sills painted black and a revised black grille. Rubery Owen
'Rostyle' wheels were standardised but wire spoked ones remained an option.
The square shaped rear wheel arches became rounded in January 1972. Also in
this year, a Triumph steering rack was fitted, giving a gearing that was
somewhat lower than earlier Midgets. A second exhaust silencer was also
added in 1972.
22,415 were made between 1966 and the 1969 face lift, and a further 77,831
up to 1974.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget#cite_note-AZ1945-70-3>


MG Midget 1500 (1974-1980)

In order to meet US federal regulations, large black plastic bumpers
(usually called rubber bumpers, despite not actually being rubber) were
added to the front and rear and the ride height was increased. The A-Series
engine was dropped to be replaced by the 1493 cc unit from the Triumph
Spitfire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Spitfire> and a modified
Morris
Marina <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Marina> gearbox with synchromesh
on all four gears. The round rear wheel arches were now square again to
increase the body
strength.[5]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget#cite_note-4>The
last car was made on December
7 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_7>,
1979<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979>,
after 73,899[6]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget#cite_note-AZ1945-5>of the last
version had been made. There was no Austin-Healey Sprite
equivalent. However, there was a limited number of cars produced in 1980 of
the MG Midget.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:19:07 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
References: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <205cef430910010619m2c085762gaf0ee9fcd9f8870b@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Frank sounds like you are having lots of fun making toys for your new
grandson. He is cute as are the toys : )
Lin


On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> I finally have an on line album, well I had it but just figured out how to
> update it.
> The baby buggy, tricycle, bicycle, and too many LBCs in the driveway
> pictures are here now.
> http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Thu Oct  1 07:21:23 2009
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:21:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
Message-ID: <5c4801ca429a$128f52e0$0168010a@mail2world.com>

You outbid me, I'm 38. Midget is 32.

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ 

 <-----Original Message----->

 	  	 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com
[WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com]
Sent: 9/30/2009 4:30:06 PM
To: duncan at pondhop.com;soavero at yahoo.com;spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group 

Duncan appears to be the youngest at 37 compared to my 46. I guess he 
must be older than his Spridget as well (mine is only 6 years younger
than 
me). I weigh in at 152lbs 

Weslake Monza 1330 

In a message dated 30/09/2009 21:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, 
duncan at pondhop.com writes: 

How about 37, any lower bidders 

Thanks 
Duncan 
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:24:35 2009
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:24:35 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>

1275
Chrome bumpers with big rubber blocks.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:25:47 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910010625m3ca84267vc378e32eb136209b@mail.gmail.com>

Cool thanks anything special I should ask about this motor & trans?
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:24 AM, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 1275
> Chrome bumpers with big rubber blocks.

From derf247 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:25:55 2009
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:25:55 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910910010625x3287c556y14d0c7d6fc4801a7@mail.gmail.com>

Frank could have it in your car and running before lunch.
It will fit.

From derf247 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:28:09 2009
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:28:09 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910010625m3ca84267vc378e32eb136209b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910010625m3ca84267vc378e32eb136209b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910910010628m3cb5a8a7ga2de1ee85cc81ff8@mail.gmail.com>

Ask the usual questions.
How many miles?
Rebuilt?
Do it smoke?
Can I hear it run?

You may want the rear diff, too.  IIRC it will be a 3.9.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:28:19 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:28:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910910010625x3287c556y14d0c7d6fc4801a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010625x3287c556y14d0c7d6fc4801a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910010628x4cf57eel19deccc8ad704060@mail.gmail.com>

Being the car was in a fire would anything be damaged besides gaskets elect
stuff & such? I'm waiting for a reply as we speak.
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:25 AM, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frank could have it in your car and running before lunch.
> It will fit.

From ggroiss at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:31:45 2009
From: ggroiss at gmail.com (Gregory Groiss)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:31:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <5c4801ca429a$128f52e0$0168010a@mail2world.com>
References: <5c4801ca429a$128f52e0$0168010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <d66433d0910010631l4276b386w45efa3ace5bcf104@mail.gmail.com>

I'm 31 Midget is 36 (picked it up when I was 25)

-Greg

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Chris King <cbking at alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
> You outbid me, I'm 38. Midget is 32.
>
> Chris King
> http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/
>
>  <-----Original Message----->
>
>                 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com
> [WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com]
> Sent: 9/30/2009 4:30:06 PM
> To: duncan at pondhop.com;soavero at yahoo.com;spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group
>
> Duncan appears to be the youngest at 37 compared to my 46. I guess he
> must be older than his Spridget as well (mine is only 6 years younger
> than
> me). I weigh in at 152lbs
>
> Weslake Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 30/09/2009 21:16:37 GMT Daylight Time,
> duncan at pondhop.com writes:
>
> How about 37, any lower bidders
>
> Thanks
> Duncan
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:37:22 2009
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:37:22 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910010628x4cf57eel19deccc8ad704060@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010625x3287c556y14d0c7d6fc4801a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910010628x4cf57eel19deccc8ad704060@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910910010637k51a96df6w13d8481d6ea6c0b9@mail.gmail.com>

It depends on the fire.  If the fire was in the engine compartment I
would probably pass on it and find another.  There are too many out
there to bother with a fire damaged motor.
I've given away good 1275 cores.
An experienced mechanic might need to look at it., though as the
extent of the damage might be mild.
You (or a strapping helper) should be able to turn the motor over
manually if the battery/wiring is damaged.

Did the fire originate with the car or was the car in a structure that burned?

From cfchrist at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  1 08:05:32 2009
From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:05:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
Message-ID: <23356461.1254405932801.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

with a car fire you can count on a bunch of wierd variables as to how good or bad the parts will be. where fire originated?   how long did it burn?  and the all importaint , what was used to extinguish the fire?   certain fire supressant chemicals left uncleaned up are rather corrosive.  so if it had the original valve cover with the plastic oil fill cap burned or melted , how much of what extinguishing material got into the motor or into the indutction system?  it could be a gold mine or the buyer could be getting the shaft?   you just do not know untill you see it or if lucky hear it run. if it was an under dash / interior fire...WOO-HOO!  yer a winner!  

chuck.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2009 9:28 AM
>To: derf <derf247 at gmail.com>
>Cc: Spridget list <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
>
>Being the car was in a fire would anything be damaged besides gaskets elect
>stuff & such? I'm waiting for a reply as we speak.

From cfchrist at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  1 08:09:07 2009
From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:09:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
Message-ID: <5810511.1254406147369.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

aw geez louise!  i've had my bugeye since 1974!   my ownership of the car is longer than you are old ..matt.  hmm getting old by calander years but still think i'm 18.....(evry so often , untill the next day....)

chuck
fossilising as we speak.....

-----Original Message-----
>From: fastvee <fastvee at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2009 8:06 AM
>To: "spridgets at autox.team.net" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
>
>I'll be 58 in November but I don't know when I'll grow up.
>John
>Fogelsville, PA
>
>--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Matt Hagopian <mhagopian at hoppetool.com> wrote:
>
>I rank in at the youngest!!! 22 years old!!!

From bogodwin at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  1 08:17:37 2009
From: bogodwin at bellsouth.net (bogodwin)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:17:37 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <BLU134-DS7D5C21A3A865D830D0168AFD40@phx.gbl>
References: <c8a.46a6ce95.37f51956@aol.com>
	<BLU134-DS7D5C21A3A865D830D0168AFD40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005201ca42a1$ee348e30$ca9daa90$@net>

Stop bragging!

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JLC
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:14 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group

At 132 lbs, I am probably the lightest - not too hard when one's height is
only 5' 4"!

61 years old, so definitely in the "old geezer" category!

JLC in Colorado
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  1 08:41:33 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:41:33 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <77109429-8648-4A3C-ACE7-89B2A6DCC3C7@comcast.net>
References: <d1e.49c143d8.37f4e546@aol.com>
	<298325.36830.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W1902FEF201BBBF4D22EABCB8D30@phx.gbl>

ED's dyslexic also.

>
> Wait one damn minute.
>
> 39?!
>
> I don't believe that anyone who is 39 could possibly email the way you
> do.. really.. ;-0
>
> Lester
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Sales at Just Brits wrote:
>
> > << How about 37, any lower bidders >>
> >
> > I'm 39 so rules me out, Duncan !!!
> >
> > Ed

From haynes386 at netzero.net  Thu Oct  1 08:59:03 2009
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:59:03 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets]  7/16 wheel studs
Message-ID: <20091001.085903.2436.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Frank- When I did this, I found that (for the studs that I acquired) a 12mm
drill was a perfect choice to re drill. I ground a small corner off  of each
head to get them to clear without having to counterbore the hubs. You will
also have to re drill the drums as well as the rear hubs. BTW, double check
the bolt pattern on the wheels, a 4 on 100mm is 1/16" smaller across (3.938"
c-c), but much easier to find alloy wheels for. I drilled my MKII for this
pattern because I run it on my 3 Toyotas,  have a nice set of BMW wheels for
it with this pattern AND had access to a mill at the time.
And my '58 is a year younger than I am, but I'm 6'1" and 150 lbs.


Mark Haynes
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:15:37 2009
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:15:37 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] 7/16 wheel studs
In-Reply-To: <20091001.085903.2436.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091001.085903.2436.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910910010815u2c3bf3dam4bcc76bb59831a75@mail.gmail.com>

IIRC, you can use metric studs.  And, if you offset the holes a
little, you can get closer to 4X100mm.
It has been a long time since I've done it, though.

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  1 10:45:31 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:45:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006601ca42b6$978d9580$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Hi Linda,

I bought a 1275 Short block engine once that had been in a Midget that
turned over in a wreck and caught fire.  I didn't know that whe I bought it!

Got hot enough to melt the rod and main bearing material and it ran down the
oil galleys and soldered up the rocker arms on the shaft!!!  Also melted the
cam retainer plate surface.  Boy!  Does that ever make an interesting noise!

Replaced all that stuff from the wrecking yard new stock and drove it over
100 k miles before I did another rebuild.  Rebuilt it and drove it over 200
k before retiring it!  Other than the melted bearing stuff, the fire didn't
hurt any other mechanicals in the engine

Later, Paul A

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Grunthaner" <grunthaner at gmail.com>
To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?


> List,
>
> What size engine is in a 74 Midget? I thought it was a 1500 but is it
really
> a 1275? I'm looking at one this week because the owner offered the engine
> and trans for $275. But the LBC was in a fire what should I ask regarding
> the condition of this engine if it will fit my 58?
>
> Lin
>
>
>
> PS I took a quick peek on wiki and found this:
>
>
>
> MG Midget MkIII (1966-1974)
>
>
>
> The engine now grew to 1275 cc using the development seen on the
> Mini<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini>-Cooper
> 'S'. However, enthusiasts were disappointed that this was a
> de-tuned<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_tuning>version of the
> Cooper 'S' engine, giving only 65 hp (48 kW) at 6000 rpm and
> 72 lbf7ft (98 Nm) at 3000 rpm. The Midget used the 12G940 cylinder head
> casting that was common to other BMC 1300 cars, whereas the Cooper 'S' had
a
> special head with extra-large valves: however, these valves caused many
'S'
> heads to fail through cracking between the valve seats.
>
> The hood was now permanently attached to the car, with an improved
mechanism
> making it much easier to use. There were minor changes to the body in 1969
> with the sills painted black and a revised black grille. Rubery Owen
> 'Rostyle' wheels were standardised but wire spoked ones remained an
option.
> The square shaped rear wheel arches became rounded in January 1972. Also
in
> this year, a Triumph steering rack was fitted, giving a gearing that was
> somewhat lower than earlier Midgets. A second exhaust silencer was also
> added in 1972.
> 22,415 were made between 1966 and the 1969 face lift, and a further 77,831
> up to
1974.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget#cite_note-AZ1945-70-3>
>
>
> MG Midget 1500 (1974-1980)
>
> In order to meet US federal regulations, large black plastic bumpers
> (usually called rubber bumpers, despite not actually being rubber) were
> added to the front and rear and the ride height was increased. The
A-Series
> engine was dropped to be replaced by the 1493 cc unit from the Triumph
> Spitfire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Spitfire> and a modified
> Morris
> Marina <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Marina> gearbox with
synchromesh
> on all four gears. The round rear wheel arches were now square again to
> increase the body
> strength.[5]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget#cite_note-4>The
> last car was made on December
> 7 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_7>,
> 1979<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979>,
> after 73,899[6]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget#cite_note-AZ1945-5>of the last
> version had been made. There was no Austin-Healey Sprite
> equivalent. However, there was a limited number of cars produced in 1980
of
> the MG Midget.
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From haynes386 at netzero.net  Thu Oct  1 11:38:23 2009
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:38:23 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Here's another for sale....
Message-ID: <20091001.113823.2791.1@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Butt its UUUUGLY!
Ebay # 170388861838


Mark Haynes
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From rbc_48183 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 12:08:09 2009
From: rbc_48183 at yahoo.com (roger cotting)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
Message-ID: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Nice looking side mirrors can be had from your Harley Davidson dealers!
91931-92T, and 91930-92T. they bolt into the nearest hole securing the
windshield to the body.
 
Roger Cotting

From sales at justbrits.com  Thu Oct  1 12:37:59 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W1902FEF201BBBF4D22EABCB8D30@phx.gbl>
References: <d1e.49c143d8.37f4e546@aol.com>
	<298325.36830.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY112-W1902FEF201BBBF4D22EABCB8D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AC4F707.5020109@justbrits.com>

<< ED's dyslexic also. >>

Nah RD, but my middle name is Jackbennie !!!

 >g<

dE

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct  1 12:48:56 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:48:56 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
In-Reply-To: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <99B5CEEAFEE64852A56B9915D0B4E5D9@spider>

You're required to take two of the wheels off though. ...bill in Oregon

============================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of roger cotting
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:08 AM
To: \'Spridgets\' List
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors

Nice looking side mirrors can be had from your Harley Davidson dealers!
91931-92T, and 91930-92T. they bolt into the nearest hole securing the
windshield to the body.
 
Roger Cotting
_______________________________________________

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  1 13:18:36 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:18:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
Message-ID: <002f01ca42cb$fa5a59e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

So Sad!

Tech Tip: Mazda Seat Heater Needs a Boost
Some Mazda6 drivers may complain that the seat warmers turn off too early or
may not heat to their satisfaction. The operating temperature of the new seat
warmer has been increased on later vehicles by 14 degrees F (on average) to
address this concern.

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 13:29:12 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:29:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca42cb$fa5a59e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <002f01ca42cb$fa5a59e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910011229h4dc91bb7w3d985cb6d275ac2@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,
This has ruined my day. I sit here in tears thinking of all those people who
are suffering so....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Asgeirsson <PAsgeirsson at att.net> wrote:

> So Sad!
>
> Tech Tip: Mazda Seat Heater Needs a Boost
> Some Mazda6 drivers may complain that the seat warmers turn off too early
> or
> may not heat to their satisfaction. The operating temperature of the new
> seat
> warmer has been increased on later vehicles by 14 degrees F (on average) to
> address this concern.
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct  1 13:39:11 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:39:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca42cb$fa5a59e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <002f01ca42cb$fa5a59e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <45859808165C4CF7A64AA541DAA4EEEC@spider>

Coffee warmer included...

===================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Asgeirsson
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Cc: morrisminors at smartgroups.com; morris_motors at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough

So Sad!

Tech Tip: Mazda Seat Heater Needs a Boost
Some Mazda6 drivers may complain that the seat warmers turn off too early or
may not heat to their satisfaction. The operating temperature of the new
seat
warmer has been increased on later vehicles by 14 degrees F (on average) to
address this concern.
_______________________________________________

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:08:00 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:08:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Age - getting back late to this post
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910011308i37d69a8fma65e6694ca698b68@mail.gmail.com>

I am 24. .  and own a 50 year old car.  24 x 2 actually.

Kirk

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:10:07 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:10:07 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910011229h4dc91bb7w3d985cb6d275ac2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002f01ca42cb$fa5a59e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
	<43840a7e0910011229h4dc91bb7w3d985cb6d275ac2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090910011310j2c5dceb1yfae33c10998f0d3@mail.gmail.com>

How hard is it to eat a bean burrito from Taco Hell, to offset the
electrical savings incorporated in this vehicle???

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul,
> This has ruined my day. I sit here in tears thinking of all those people
> who
> are suffering so....
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Asgeirsson <PAsgeirsson at att.net>
> wrote:
>
> > So Sad!
> >
> > Tech Tip: Mazda Seat Heater Needs a Boost
> > Some Mazda6 drivers may complain that the seat warmers turn off too early
> > or
> > may not heat to their satisfaction. The operating temperature of the new
> > seat
> > warmer has been increased on later vehicles by 14 degrees F (on average)
> to
> > address this concern.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:14:23 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Age - getting back late to this post
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40910011308i37d69a8fma65e6694ca698b68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37dc82d40910011308i37d69a8fma65e6694ca698b68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910011314l3e6a83djba493eecb61c239c@mail.gmail.com>

I am 17 years old. And I am lysdexic....
reechs!!
Mij

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am 24. .  and own a 50 year old car.  24 x 2 actually.
>
> Kirk

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:19:06 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:19:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910011319m314081a3p6954949ed3f3bd5a@mail.gmail.com>

Here I am driving through our neighborhood to check on my wife who is with
our grand kids at the park and find that I can no longer steer my 59
Sprite.  It went out when doing a u-turn. .  and I thought I heard something
coming from the steering rack.

I find that if I push the steering wheel in, push it forward hard, that I am
able to nurse it home.

I get home and the next day I decide to pull the radiator and then pull the
rack (I have another rack somewhere).   So I put a vise grip on the steering
rod and as I turn the vise grip I see that the front wheels are turning.

Turns out it was the cheap (no doubt Chinese made) after market steering
wheel that gave out. . the splines on the wheel wore down.  Fortunately I
had not taken the rack out.  Goes back to checking the simple things first,
which is something that I have had to learn the hard way.

So I put my stock wheel back on and all seems to be fine.  The stock wheel
is like something that you would use to steer a large sail boat.  Those
things are huge.

*What about these steering racks though . . do they ever act up?  Mine seems
to be doing well. . no issues as mentioned as it was the steering wheel
itself that gave me the problem.  *

It could have given up at 35 - 40 miles per while driving around town.  That
might have been an experience I might have not lived through to tell
about.

Kirk
59 Sprite

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 14:40:28 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:40:28 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] New Bugeye Group
Message-ID: <d57.35d1716a.37f66dbc@aol.com>

They probably also brag about how new their car is!
 
In a message dated 30/09/2009 21:34:06 GMT Daylight Time,  
mdrowe at optonline.net writes:

What is  going on?  Everywhere else in the world, men brag about how old 
they  
are (and still doing ......).

Michael  Rowe

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 14:49:53 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:49:53 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
Message-ID: <c0d.5f97d0ec.37f66ff1@aol.com>

On the other hand some rental uses of a Mazda 6 find that the brakes are so 
 rubbish that when they see a cop car when they are speeding the damn thing 
just  doesn't slow anything like as quick as their Sprite does so they get 
their very  first speeding ticket!
 
Anon
 
In a message dated 01/10/2009 20:21:06 GMT Daylight Time,  
PAsgeirsson at att.net writes:

Some  Mazda6 drivers 

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 14:52:42 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:52:42 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
Message-ID: <cbd.4ae4f960.37f6709a@aol.com>

It took me a long time to find someone who could re-condition the rack  
inner tie rods as oppose every specialist who wanted to sell me a re-con  rack. 
 This company also does the rack bar but not the pinion.  They  also export 
to the USA and the chances are if you buy a quality re-con rack in  the USA 
it came from them.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 01/10/2009 21:19:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
khargreaves2 at gmail.com writes:

What  about these steering racks though . . do they ever act  up?

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 15:49:46 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:49:46 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
In-Reply-To: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910011449o2afdc443q3988e6395f268c36@mail.gmail.com>

Built-in vibrators???

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM, roger cotting <rbc_48183 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nice looking side mirrors can be had from your Harley Davidson dealers!
> 91931-92T, and 91930-92T. they bolt into the nearest hole securing the
> windshield to the body.
>
> Roger Cotting



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 15:51:26 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:51:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Here's another for sale....
In-Reply-To: <20091001.113823.2791.1@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091001.113823.2791.1@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910011451y6e342352v9976a49f1c17982a@mail.gmail.com>

Paint's cheap...well, fairly cheap.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Mark Haynes <haynes386 at netzero.net> wrote:

> Butt its UUUUGLY!
> Ebay # 170388861838
>
>
> Mark Haynes
> HAN6L12779
> HAN5L8016
>



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:05:08 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:05:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
References: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910011505n67ded19dya7488d8dd7a021f3@mail.gmail.com>

"Thick-Block" 1275....Nice!
Great pix, Frank.  Thanks.

Herb

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> I finally have an on line album, well I had it but just figured out how to
> update it.
> The baby buggy, tricycle, bicycle, and too many LBCs in the driveway
> pictures are here now.
> http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites


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From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:51:05 2009
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:51:05 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <006701ca420f$ce769120$6b63b360$@com>
References: <c8a.46a6ce95.37f51956@aol.com>
	<006701ca420f$ce769120$6b63b360$@com>
Message-ID: <441250190910011551y1872918fl8cfbef17b46aa678@mail.gmail.com>

Think buggy!!

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Duncan Sinclair <duncan at pondhop.com> wrote:

> Yeah it is strange when your car is 5 years older that you are.
>
> For some guys here that would probably involve steam J
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Duncan
>
>
>
> From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com [mailto:WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:28 PM
> To: duncan at pondhop.com; soavero at yahoo.com; spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: [Spridgets] New Bugeye Group
>
>
>
> Duncan appears to be the youngest at 37 compared to my 46.  I guess he must
> be older than his Spridget as well (mine is only 6 years younger than me).
> I weigh in at 152lbs
>
>
>
> Weslake Monza 1330
>
>
>
> In a message dated 30/09/2009 21:16:37 GMT Daylight Time,
> duncan at pondhop.com
> writes:
>
> How about 37, any lower bidders
>
> Thanks
> Duncan
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From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 18:01:52 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca42cb$fa5a59e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <633161.33080.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Paul,

As a Boston guy, this reminds me of one of the best lines from one of my
favorite Boston based movies, "The Friends of Eddie Coyle":

"Life is tough.  It's even tougher if you're stupid,"

Regards,
Rick

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Paul Asgeirsson <PAsgeirsson at att.net> wrote:

From: Paul Asgeirsson <PAsgeirsson at att.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Cc: morrisminors at smartgroups.com, morris_motors at yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 3:18 PM

So Sad!

Tech Tip: Mazda Seat Heater Needs a Boost
Some Mazda6 drivers may complain that the seat warmers turn off too early or
may not heat to their satisfaction. The operating temperature of the new seat
warmer has been increased on later vehicles by 14 degrees F (on average) to
address this concern.
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 18:25:46 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910910010637k51a96df6w13d8481d6ea6c0b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010625x3287c556y14d0c7d6fc4801a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910010628x4cf57eel19deccc8ad704060@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010637k51a96df6w13d8481d6ea6c0b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910011725j419cfb6cw90b3ab43f9aff7ad@mail.gmail.com>

I'll check on that tonight.
Thanks,
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:37 AM, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It depends on the fire.  If the fire was in the engine compartment I
> would probably pass on it and find another.  There are too many out
> there to bother with a fire damaged motor.
> I've given away good 1275 cores.
> An experienced mechanic might need to look at it., though as the
> extent of the damage might be mild.
> You (or a strapping helper) should be able to turn the motor over
> manually if the battery/wiring is damaged.
>
> Did the fire originate with the car or was the car in a structure that
> burned?

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 18:27:24 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <23356461.1254405932801.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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OK I'll ask all these detials too!
Thanks Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:05 AM, charles christ <cfchrist at earthlink.net>wrote:

>
> with a car fire you can count on a bunch of wierd variables as to how good
> or bad the parts will be. where fire originated?   how long did it burn?
>  and the all importaint , what was used to extinguish the fire?   certain
> fire supressant chemicals left uncleaned up are rather corrosive.  so if it
> had the original valve cover with the plastic oil fill cap burned or melted
> , how much of what extinguishing material got into the motor or into the
> indutction system?  it could be a gold mine or the buyer could be getting
> the shaft?   you just do not know untill you see it or if lucky hear it run.
> if it was an under dash / interior fire...WOO-HOO!  yer a winner!
>
> chuck.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Oct 1, 2009 9:28 AM
> >To: derf <derf247 at gmail.com>
> >Cc: Spridget list <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
> >
> >Being the car was in a fire would anything be damaged besides gaskets
> elect
> >stuff & such? I'm waiting for a reply as we speak.

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 18:30:26 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <d57.35d1716a.37f66dbc@aol.com>
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Heck, I just turned 30 this year... in hexadecimal, that is.
David L

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 18:31:43 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910011505n67ded19dya7488d8dd7a021f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
	<2ad6c6b10910011505n67ded19dya7488d8dd7a021f3@mail.gmail.com>
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Herb & List,
What is a thick block I never heard of that term before.
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:05 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Thick-Block" 1275....Nice!
> Great pix, Frank.  Thanks.
>
> Herb
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I finally have an on line album, well I had it but just figured out how
> to
> > update it.
> > The baby buggy, tricycle, bicycle, and too many LBCs in the driveway
> > pictures are here now.
> > http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/
> >
> > --
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> > Toms River, NJ
> > My own Fleet of Sprites
>
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 18:34:13 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:34:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Here's another for sale....
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What was he thinking?
Lin

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From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 18:39:50 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] 7/16 wheel studs
Message-ID: <235792.68778.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> Has anybody converted to 7/16 studs?
> I acquired a set of aluminum slots for my daughter's Bugeye

Frank,

Press them in if you can rather than BFH or tugging. The stud packaging, if Moroso, has the drill size on it. A machinist's handbook may as well. 

Ron

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 18:43:41 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:43:41 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
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Kirk,
Glad you're OK. Yea I don't like the giant stock steering wheels ether. What
brand was the wheel that broke so we can check ours?
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Here I am driving through our neighborhood to check on my wife who is with
> our grand kids at the park and find that I can no longer steer my 59
> Sprite.  It went out when doing a u-turn. .  and I thought I heard
> something
> coming from the steering rack.
>
> I find that if I push the steering wheel in, push it forward hard, that I
> am
> able to nurse it home.
>
> I get home and the next day I decide to pull the radiator and then pull the
> rack (I have another rack somewhere).   So I put a vise grip on the
> steering
> rod and as I turn the vise grip I see that the front wheels are turning.
>
> Turns out it was the cheap (no doubt Chinese made) after market steering
> wheel that gave out. . the splines on the wheel wore down.  Fortunately I
> had not taken the rack out.  Goes back to checking the simple things first,
> which is something that I have had to learn the hard way.
>
> So I put my stock wheel back on and all seems to be fine.  The stock wheel
> is like something that you would use to steer a large sail boat.  Those
> things are huge.
>
> *What about these steering racks though . . do they ever act up?  Mine
> seems
> to be doing well. . no issues as mentioned as it was the steering wheel
> itself that gave me the problem.  *
>
> It could have given up at 35 - 40 miles per while driving around town.
>  That
> might have been an experience I might have not lived through to tell
> about.
>
> Kirk
> 59 Sprite
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 18:45:15 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:45:15 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
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Hey Roger do you have a photo of them to show us?
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, roger cotting <rbc_48183 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nice looking side mirrors can be had from your Harley Davidson dealers!
> 91931-92T, and 91930-92T. they bolt into the nearest hole securing the
> windshield to the body.
>
> Roger Cotting
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 18:49:00 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572241.49906.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:
> What is a thick block I never heard of that term before.

Early 1275s had a thinner flange around the oil pan mounting surface and different casting than the later ones. The later ones are called "thick" blocks. The thin ones are supposedly weaker, but I know of 2 full race motors that are thin flange, one of which is now in it's 6th season with its 2nd owner without any incident whatsoever in way.

Ron

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 19:01:31 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:01:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910910010628m3cb5a8a7ga2de1ee85cc81ff8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
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Good list thanks
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ask the usual questions.
> How many miles?
> Rebuilt?
> Do it smoke?
> Can I hear it run?
>
> You may want the rear diff, too.  IIRC it will be a 3.9.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 19:10:31 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:10:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <572241.49906.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
	<572241.49906.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910011810w5b053ec3o724367e5b258fd57@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ron I'm looking at a 1275 as we speak for my other Sprite it will be
cool to see these differences. I also have a 1275 in Pinky that I'll look
at.
Lin


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What is a thick block I never heard of that term before.
>
> Early 1275s had a thinner flange around the oil pan mounting surface and
> different casting than the later ones. The later ones are called "thick"
> blocks. The thin ones are supposedly weaker, but I know of 2 full race
> motors that are thin flange, one of which is now in it's 6th season with its
> 2nd owner without any incident whatsoever in way.
>
> Ron
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct  1 19:15:06 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:15:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <633161.33080.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6EAA22A.210BD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

Maybe if they kept their pants on, the cold seat wouldn't be such a problem.
Next thing you know, they'll be trying to put air conditioning in open cars.
Personally, I think roll-up windows are a bit much.

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Thu Oct  1 19:23:38 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:23:38 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <C6EAA22A.210BD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <633161.33080.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
	<C6EAA22A.210BD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <4AC5561A.3091.1401CE8@kk7ss.verizon.net>

windows?...  WINDOWS???

On 1 Oct 2009 at 18:15, Billy Zoom wrote:

>> Personally, I think roll-up windows are a bit much.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct  1 19:29:47 2009
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (andrewpayne at intrex.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:29:47 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Engine mounts
Message-ID: <550947221-1254446996-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-682077568-@bda885.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have pulled the engine, and the all steel mounts bolted to the frame are cracked.  Neither VB or Moss sell the part. Is it available, or should I just weld it up?

Also, do all the wheels need to be off to put it on the side for floors?  There's not enough weight now to compress the springs to free parts. Oops.

Drew
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From billmasq at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  1 19:53:53 2009
From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:53:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910011801w193cb1pf94310381b0d43f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
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Lin
Just make sure that the carbs are on the correct side of the engine before you
put any money down (1500 engines have them on the opposite side)
BillM

> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:01:31 -0400
> From: grunthaner at gmail.com
> To: derf247 at gmail.com
> CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
>
> Good list thanks
> Lin
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ask the usual questions.
> > How many miles?
> > Rebuilt?
> > Do it smoke?
> > Can I hear it run?
> >
> > You may want the rear diff, too.  IIRC it will be a 3.9.
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 20:16:10 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:16:10 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Engine mounts
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andrewpayne at intrex.net wrote:
> I have pulled the engine, and the all steel mounts bolted to the frame are cracked.  Neither VB or Moss sell the part. Is it available, or should I just weld it up?
>   

In all the Spridgets I ever took apart, 66 or so, I have never seen a 
cracked engine mount bracket.
> Also, do all the wheels need to be off to put it on the side for floors?  There's not enough weight now to compress the springs to free parts. Oops.
>
>
>   
The wheels help keep the car on it's side, at least the front wheel. It 
stabilizes it. But please tie it to a ceiling joist or something so you 
don't accidently lean on it and push it over.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct  1 20:31:02 2009
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (andrewpayne at intrex.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 02:31:02 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Engine mounts
Message-ID: <1833216581-1254450671-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1061367119-@bda885.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Thanks Frank!

I'm closer to working on the floors than I thought.  I'll check the brackets again, but they both look cracked.  My mechanic buddy pointed it out to me, but he was confused by several aspects of the car. "where's the turbo? Why are all the cylinders in a line, and not flat? So only two wheels are driven?". He's a Subaru tech...  This is NOTHING like the abuse I got from him for buying the Porsche 924 turbo.  Terrible car but so many great stories.
Drew
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:51:33 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:51:33 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
	<2ad6c6b10910011505n67ded19dya7488d8dd7a021f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910011951i7a3b37c6kb48f411215da285a@mail.gmail.com>

What Ron said, plus...and correct me if I'm wrong...chances are better that
you may have a better (stronger) crank.
Herb




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From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 21:04:16 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:04:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910011951i7a3b37c6kb48f411215da285a@mail.gmail.com>
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--- On Thu, 10/1/09, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:
> if I'm wrong...chances are better that
> you may have a better (stronger) crank.

It should have an EN40B crank, yes. Much like the one I had that just snapped in half (while in a "thick" block). 

Ron

From cfchrist at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  2 03:42:06 2009
From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 05:42:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
Message-ID: <9504351.1254476526207.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

at one point prior to my having had gastric bypass surgery i believe i was the world's heaviest spridget driver at just shy of 500lbs.  and i did drive my bugeye and raced my 1960 saab at that time!  found all kinds of room in my cars i did not know existed previously.  hmmm......

chuck.

-----Original Message-----
>From: bogodwin <bogodwin at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2009 10:17 AM
>To: 'JLC' <breton48 at live.com>, spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
>
>Stop bragging!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JLC
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:14 PM
>To: spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group
>
>At 132 lbs, I am probably the lightest - not too hard when one's height is
>only 5' 4"!
>
>61 years old, so definitely in the "old geezer" category!

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  2 07:01:57 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:01:57 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <4AC5561A.3091.1401CE8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <633161.33080.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
	<C6EAA22A.210BD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com> 
Message-ID: <BAY112-W18BB181D5C272A1B9AC1DCB8D20@phx.gbl>

Is it true that without Windows, they don't crash as much?  Or, am I thinking
of something else?



ED

> From: kk7ss at verizon.net
>
> windows?... WINDOWS???
>
> On 1 Oct 2009 at 18:15, Billy Zoom wrote:
>
> >> Personally, I think roll-up windows are a bit much.
>
>
> --
> Dave G. KK7SS Richland, WA
> '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
> '65 MK III A-H Sprite
> '76 MKIV 1500 Midget
>
> Age is just another number... !

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 07:20:15 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:20:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
	<2ad6c6b10910011505n67ded19dya7488d8dd7a021f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
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It has to do with the thickness of the flange around the base of the block.  Some prefer the thick flange to the thin, especially if the engine will be used for racing.




________________________________
From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
To: WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com>
Cc: Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:31:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Project Pictures

Herb & List,
What is a thick block I never heard of that term before.
Lin

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:05 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Thick-Block" 1275....Nice!
> Great pix, Frank.  Thanks.
>
> Herb
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I finally have an on line album, well I had it but just figured out how
> to
> > update it.
> > The baby buggy, tricycle, bicycle, and too many LBCs in the driveway
> > pictures are here now.
> > http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/
> >
> > --
> > Frank Clarici
> > Toms River, NJ
> > My own Fleet of Sprites
>
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  2 05:36:12 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:36:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <C6EAA22A.210BD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6EAA22A.210BD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <0998F2D1B1244728A672C2A65CF84F20@HomePC>

So what's the big deal?

People bought an option on their car that wasn't performing up to snuff. 
They told Mazda about it who then took actions to correct it.  I think they 
call that product improvement.  Or maybe response to the customer.

In my business, if my client has a problem, I take steps to take care of it. 
I thought that is what we are supposed to do.

Maybe if the American car companies tried following this example their 
business wouldn't be in the toilet. 

From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 08:07:55 2009
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:07:55 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Life is tough
In-Reply-To: <0998F2D1B1244728A672C2A65CF84F20@HomePC>
References: <C6EAA22A.210BD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<0998F2D1B1244728A672C2A65CF84F20@HomePC>
Message-ID: <8de85a9c0910020707p7b7cf023i21e9316633ef19ab@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Larry.  I couldn't agree more.

Too bad more employees, from corporate management right down to the
line workers, don't have such an internal voice of reason.


On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> So what's the big deal?
>
> People bought an option on their car that wasn't performing up to snuff.
> They told Mazda about it who then took actions to correct it.  I think they
> call that product improvement.  Or maybe response to the customer.
>
> In my business, if my client has a problem, I take steps to take care of
it.
> I thought that is what we are supposed to do.
>
> Maybe if the American car companies tried following this example their
> business wouldn't be in the toilet.
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From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct  2 08:19:54 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:19:54 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40910011319m314081a3p6954949ed3f3bd5a@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <37dc82d40910011319m314081a3p6954949ed3f3bd5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910020719177.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Pants-filling feeling, isn't it?

I had it happen to me, but it was the pinch bolt at the lower end of 
the column to the rack's pinion. The bolt fits in a groove in the 
pinion shaft. The bolt pinches the split column tube with its splines 
onto the pinion shaft which is also splined. The pinch bolt had worn 
enough that  it allowed the column to pull out.

Check those bolts! Better yet, replace them with a hardened bolt.

I overdid the repair, and pinned the column to the shaft. One tends 
to overdo that sort of thing after having seen one's life pass before 
one's eyes.

         ...and, hey, hey!... be careful out there.

Peter C
=
At 03:19 PM 10/1/2009, Kirk Hargreaves wrote:
>Here I am driving through our neighborhood to check on my wife who is with
>our grand kids at the park and find that I can no longer steer my 59
>Sprite.  It went out when doing a u-turn. .  and I thought I heard something
>coming from the steering rack.
>
>I find that if I push the steering wheel in, push it forward hard, that I am
>able to nurse it home.
>Turns out it was the cheap (no doubt Chinese made) after market steering
>wheel that gave out. . the splines on the wheel wore down.  Fortunately I
>had not taken the rack out.  Goes back to checking the simple things first,
>which is something that I have had to learn the hard way.
>
>Kirk
>59 Sprite

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  2 08:29:23 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:29:23 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
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=20
Some people get excited when seeing their lives pass before their eyes.  I =
was bored ... and wished I'd had popcorn.  =3B)
=20
Seriously though=2C it's amazing how many images can pass through your mind=
 in a split second.
=20


----------------------------------------
> I overdid the repair=2C and pinned the column to the shaft. One tends
> to overdo that sort of thing after having seen one's life pass before
> one's eyes.
>
> ...and=2C hey=2C hey!... be careful out there.
>
> Peter C 		 	   		  =

From haynes386 at netzero.net  Fri Oct  2 08:42:59 2009
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:42:59 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
Message-ID: <20091002.084259.28003.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

For a picture,
Try ebay #280400705676

Mark Haynes
HAN6L12779
HAN5L8016

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From bkitterer at me.com  Fri Oct  2 10:08:40 2009
From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:08:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
In-Reply-To: <20091002.084259.28003.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091002.084259.28003.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <7C2660BC-B285-4DFD-9E26-444F62B4E73E@me.com>

Just do a Google search on the part number an you will get lots of  
pictures and places that will take your money.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:42 AM, Mark Haynes wrote:

> For a picture,
> Try ebay #280400705676
>
> Mark Haynes
> HAN6L12779
> HAN5L8016
>
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From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct  2 10:39:47 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:39:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Penske stays Smart.....
Message-ID: <20091002093984.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

...... GM moves Saturn to Uranus

http://abrn.search-autoparts.com/abrn/Collision+Repair/Penske-kills-Saturn-deal/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/630815?contextCategoryId=498

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  2 11:13:08 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
Message-ID: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>

Nice one on eBay

 # 230383685785

From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Fri Oct  2 11:25:15 2009
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:25:15 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
In-Reply-To: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AC6377B.3080201@snet.net>

Nice, but not so easy to mount.  The mounting stem is designed to be 
supported along an inch or so of the stem (goes through the brake lever 
housing on the motorcycle) so in order to get any strength and rigidity, 
one needs to build some mounting plates of some sort.  Without that, 
they'll shake more on the Spridget than on the HD.)  I have lots of 
these from swap meet shopping, but found it easier to buy a more 
appropriate mirror with mounting already worked out from Moss.

Also, I have found it difficult to buy new convex motorcycle mirrors (my 
preference).  Most available are flat.  Not sure why.

roger cotting wrote:
> Nice looking side mirrors can be had from your Harley Davidson dealers!
> 91931-92T, and 91930-92T. they bolt into the nearest hole securing the
> windshield to the body.
>  
> Roger Cotting
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From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 11:46:57 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
In-Reply-To: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
References: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
Message-ID: <766757.96011.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is, by far, the coolest thing I've seen in a long time......If I could sell my Midget in the next 8 days, I'd be bidding on this!




________________________________
From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: Spridgets List <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 10:13:08 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy

Nice one on eBay

# 230383685785
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From daredelvis at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 11:56:45 2009
From: daredelvis at gmail.com (brian james)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice side mirrors
In-Reply-To: <4AC6377B.3080201@snet.net>
References: <14928.79938.qm@web111201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <531383560910021056p34dd14e2yde4794c1e115e9d4@mail.gmail.com>

I found them very easy to mount on my Bugeye. On side-curtain cars
they can replace the either of the windshield mounting screws.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM, James F Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net>
wrote:
> Nice, but not so easy to mount.  The mounting stem is designed to be
> supported along an inch or so of the stem (goes through the brake lever
> housing on the motorcycle) so in order to get any strength and rigidity,
> one needs to build some mounting plates of some sort.  Without that,
> they'll shake more on the Spridget than on the HD.)  I have lots of
> these from swap meet shopping, but found it easier to buy a more
> appropriate mirror with mounting already worked out from Moss.
>
> Also, I have found it difficult to buy new convex motorcycle mirrors (my
> preference).  Most available are flat.  Not sure why.
>
> roger cotting wrote:
>> Nice looking side mirrors can be had from your Harley Davidson dealers!
>> 91931-92T, and 91930-92T. they bolt into the nearest hole securing the
>> windshield to the body.
>>
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From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 12:10:31 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:10:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil question
Message-ID: <437458.16329.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Been having some ignition/fuel problems with my Midget.  The coil is suspect.  I have a '78 Midget with a 1275 transplant.  Currently, it has a coil with an external ballast resistor.  If I am going to replace this coil, what would be the best way to go?  I have a new Lucas electronic distributor, so do I need this ballast resistor?  Is the MSD Blaster a good option?  Something with a little performance would be nice.  I have it bored .030 over with a mild cam, Weber DGV down-draft 32/36, ported/polished head.

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Fri Oct  2 12:13:19 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:13:19 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
References: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
Message-ID: <00ab01ca438c$05b7e260$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Interesting study on photo overkill!

Paul A

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy


> Nice one on eBay
> 
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From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct  2 12:32:06 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
In-Reply-To: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
References: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
Message-ID: <200910021132912.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

At 12:13 PM 10/2/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Nice one on eBay
>
>  # 230383685785


I have the predecessor, the CHAMP.   Even fuglier, but for sale.

I also have a few Land Rovers... not for sale.

Peter C 

From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct  2 12:50:35 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:50:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
In-Reply-To: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
References: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
Message-ID: <200910021150849.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Million pictures, and not one of the underside or engine..... maybe 
it doesn't HAVE an engine.

         Peter C
=
At 12:13 PM 10/2/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Nice one on eBay
>
>  # 230383685785

From frog.aye at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 13:08:38 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
In-Reply-To: <200910021150849.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
	<200910021150849.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <4333f8140910021208q5cf1a6b4x4bc864e17667096@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,
you just didn't have enugh patience!  I saw some engine pictures somewhere
in the middle of it all....
Hal

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> Million pictures, and not one of the underside or engine..... maybe it
> doesn't HAVE an engine.
>
>        Peter C
> =
> At 12:13 PM 10/2/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Nice one on eBay
>>
>>  # 230383685785
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  2 13:24:48 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:24:48 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
In-Reply-To: <00ab01ca438c$05b7e260$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
	<00ab01ca438c$05b7e260$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <BFA5B74A8EEE48B09F4E2ADBBF8379A6@HomePC>

He's a bit wordy, too.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Paul Asgeirsson" <PAsgeirsson at att.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:13 PM
To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>; "Spridgets List" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy

Interesting study on photo overkill!

Paul A

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy


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From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 15:01:42 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:01:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Nice Pics
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910021401y40a3d1fer7a42cb455721391b@mail.gmail.com>

Frank,

I see what you were saying about that cool baby carriage . . had no idea.
Even the chrome fenders on the thing. . very cool.

And what a fleet of cars.  . looks like a LBC car rental agency!

Kirk

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 15:04:24 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:04:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Thick Blocks
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910021404v2f5e943ak84529472db792146@mail.gmail.com>

Ron,


Anything else I can look for on my 1275 to know if it is the thick engine or
the other?

Castings and such. . since I have nothing to compare it too?

Thanks for the info on this. . I did not even know that there were two
types.

Kirk
59 Sprite

From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 16:38:23 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Thick Blocks
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40910021404v2f5e943ak84529472db792146@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741323.45244.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It'd be a 12CC block. Not all 12CCs are thin, but all thins are 12CC.

Take a picture where the pan meets the block and email it to me.

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Thick Blocks
> To: soavero at yahoo.com
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 4:04 PM
> Ron,
> 
> 
> Anything else I can look for on my 1275 to know if it is
> the thick engine or the other?
> 
> Castings and such. . since I have nothing to compare it
> too?
> 
> Thanks for the info on this. . I did not even know that
> there were two types. 
> 
> 
> Kirk 
> 59 Sprite 

From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 16:39:21 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil question
In-Reply-To: <437458.16329.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <117479.51037.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bosch Blue. Cheap and no ballast needed.

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Edward Perez
<eap2140 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>
>
Subject: [Spridgets] coil question
> To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date:
Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:10 PM
> Been having some ignition/fuel
> problems
with my Midget.  The coil is suspect.  I
> have a '78 Midget with a 1275
transplant.  Currently,
> it has a coil with an external ballast resistor.  If
I
> am going to replace this coil, what would be the best way to
> go?  I have
a new Lucas electronic distributor, so do I
> need this ballast resistor?  Is
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:48:20 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:48:20 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W998CEE3F685C4578509C9CAD20@phx.gbl>
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <205cef430910021548o7637798bvb97e2be284e55a58@mail.gmail.com>

Ive got to go out of town this weekend so Im passing on this 1275 with
trans for $275. till I return. But I told the guy (Kevin) I would pass it
along to the list. If he still has it next weekend I may buy it but being my
other Sprite wont need it for some time Ill toss it to you guys. Although
I really don't know if it is worth that much but ask Dean he saw it and I'm
heading out in a few min.
Lin

It is located in NJ.

Info below:



rebuilt- no only 63000 on it

smoke only when it was on fire

about 2 mins

dry chem then water to wash chem off right away

original valve cover w/ plastic cap, cap did melt a little no water or dry
chem went

into valve cover.

yes it turns by hand.

215-384-3472

Kevin

kdomrzalski at hotmail.com


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Bill Masquelier <billmasq at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Lin
> Just make sure that the carbs are on the correct side of the engine before
> you put any money down (1500 engines have them on the opposite side)
> BillM
>
> > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:01:31 -0400
> > From: grunthaner at gmail.com
> > To: derf247 at gmail.com
> > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?
>
> >
> > Good list thanks
> > Lin
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ask the usual questions.
> > > How many miles?
> > > Rebuilt?
> > > Do it smoke?
> > > Can I hear it run?
> > >
> > > You may want the rear diff, too. IIRC it will be a 3.9.
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From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:51:25 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:51:25 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com>

59 Bugeye 1275. .  disk brake conversion from a latter year Sprite.

I have bled the master cyl, the slave cyl and all the wheels beginning at
the passenger side rear wheel and working to the driver side rear, then to
the passenger side front, and the driver side front.

All bled out. .  still get brake fade. . it still feels like I am still
pushing air through the brake lines when I pump the brakes to stop.

It does improve some after I finish bleeding them. . but I still have to
pump them down to stop.

Could a very small leak on the passenger side rear brake cause this much
loss of pressure?  I have lived with the leak for a good two years without
any brake fade until now.  When I top off the brake fluid there is only a
small amount of fluid needed to top off the system suggesting that the leak
is still extremely minor.

I am going to fix the leak this weekend.  . however, I feel like the fix
will not improve the problem.

I am stumped on this one.  Feels like I am driving my old 1960 VW when I was
a kid.  I stopped that thing on air for 5 years.

Anyone ever face this problem in a non leaking brake system?

Any ideas are certainly appreciated!

Kirk

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:53:58 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Thick Blocks
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP87E82B0D48243720F100C4B8D20@phx.gbl>
References: <37dc82d40910021404v2f5e943ak84529472db792146@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP87E82B0D48243720F100C4B8D20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910021553o648ec445h9fb872a431f99524@mail.gmail.com>

Robert,

Thanks so much for the pics. .  I get the idea. . I can see how thin it is.
I will take a good look at mine and try to get a decent pic for you.

Thanks so much again!

Kirk

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Robert Duquette <robertduquette at sympatico.ca
> wrote:

> Ah, it's the flange at the bottom where the oil pan bolts on.
>
> Kind of difficult to see in this image at this angle, but do you see how
> the
> lip ( flange ) at the bottom is thin?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Hargreaves
> Sent: October 2, 2009 5:04 PM
> To: soavero at yahoo.com
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Thick Blocks
>
> Ron,
>
>
> Anything else I can look for on my 1275 to know if it is the thick engine
> or
> the other?
>
> Castings and such. . since I have nothing to compare it too?
>
> Thanks for the info on this. . I did not even know that there were two
> types.
>
> Kirk
> 59 Sprite
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From redmidget72 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 17:16:17 2009
From: redmidget72 at yahoo.com (Red Midget)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:16:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] 1971 Midget FS
Message-ID: <463817.44589.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

N.F.I.
1972 Midget, $3600.  Great running engine, said to have been rebuilt by
previous owner.  Ugly peach color paint job. Bondo in door pillars, rear
fenders, sills.  Seats, carpet, door panel nice.  All knobs and gauges in
place dash pad rough.  Owner states he replaced all brake components then put
in wrong brake fluid so the wheel cyls failed.  He says he has all new rubber
components to fix brakes.
Car is at Tractor show and pull at Roane State Community College Expo Center
in Harriman Tennessee. Show is today and Sturday with pull Saturday night. 
Address for directions is:
276 Patton Lane
Harriman Tennessee 37854 

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:30:37 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:30:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Engine mounts
In-Reply-To: <1833216581-1254450671-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1061367119-@bda885.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1833216581-1254450671-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1061367119-@bda885.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <402188520910021630r5dd1825cx9b8ba1a83e102466@mail.gmail.com>

I have had cracked engine mounts. I also noticed that the ones in my
74 were reinforced, so it can't have been too rare.
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:35:01 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:35:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W1677A299DB69974B6B5CD0B8D20@phx.gbl>
References: <37dc82d40910011319m314081a3p6954949ed3f3bd5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910020719177.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
	<BAY112-W1677A299DB69974B6B5CD0B8D20@phx.gbl>
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It happened to me in the auto test at Sprite Spree 03. Fortunately,
Biff had a 1 1/16" socket and I was able to shim the Mark Donohue
wheel with a piece cut from a Coke can. Did not try the auto test
again, but it got me back to Illinois just fine. Anyone looking for a
nice 13" Mark Donohue wheel that *almost* fits a 1972 Midget?
David L

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  2 17:47:05 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:47:05 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1971 Midget FS
In-Reply-To: <463817.44589.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <463817.44589.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <445B1C0FF9D34F46A3B0081B4ABFC31E@HomePC>

Does the $3600 asking price also include another Midget that's NOT a piece 
of crap?

No offense intended, but....




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Red Midget" <redmidget72 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:16 PM
To: "spridgets list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] 1971 Midget FS

N.F.I.
1972 Midget, $3600.  Great running engine, said to have been rebuilt by
previous owner.  Ugly peach color paint job. Bondo in door pillars, rear
fenders, sills.  Seats, carpet, door panel nice.  All knobs and gauges in
place dash pad rough.  Owner states he replaced all brake components then 
put
in wrong brake fluid so the wheel cyls failed.  He says he has all new 
rubber
components to fix brakes.
Car is at Tractor show and pull at Roane State Community College Expo Center
in Harriman Tennessee. Show is today and Sturday with pull Saturday night.
Address for directions is:
276 Patton Lane
Harriman Tennessee 37854
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From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Fri Oct  2 17:48:09 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <216C57B977E647999867E3730F15CA82@blackbox2>

When you converted the brakes over to disc, did you also 
convert the rear brakes to the later double acting pistons?

One thing you can do to help isolate the issue is to 
disconnect the line going to the rear from the junction block
and put a bolt in it's place.  If the pedal firms up then you will know
that the rear brakes are the culprit.

Make sure the rear brake adjusters are not loose when you bleed 
the rear brakes.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Hargreaves" <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>

> 59 Bugeye 1275. .  disk brake conversion from a latter year Sprite.
> 
> I have bled the master cyl, the slave cyl and all the wheels beginning at
> the passenger side rear wheel and working to the driver side rear, then to
> the passenger side front, and the driver side front.
> 
> All bled out. .  still get brake fade. . it still feels like I am still
> pushing air through the brake lines when I pump the brakes to stop.

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 18:06:58 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Gypsy
In-Reply-To: <4333f8140910021208q5cf1a6b4x4bc864e17667096@mail.gmail.com>
References: <745CB834224F41E2B912B2F7E15E1085@HomePC>
	<200910021150849.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
	<4333f8140910021208q5cf1a6b4x4bc864e17667096@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910021706x3fd22923j1b43cb94cb98d432@mail.gmail.com>

It's a "mid-engine" vehicle?
How kool is that.  Has to  be a first for 4x4s.  Wow....

BFG

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Hal Faulkner <frog.aye at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter,
> you just didn't have enugh patience!  I saw some engine pictures somewhere
> in the middle of it all....
> Hal



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From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Fri Oct  2 18:23:01 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:23:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] The toasted 74 Midget...
References: <205cef430910010618p21b392b6n44af7f19aa9cb6de@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910910010624l44ec81fm5d7a302553e967b2@mail.gmail.com><205cef430910011801w193cb1pf94310381b0d43f6@mail.gmail.com><SNT123-W998CEE3F685C4578509C9CAD20@phx.gbl>
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Basically the carbs are toasted.  I would not trust the carbs
other than for spare parts.  The bells may have warped.

As mentioned below, The fire probably was not very long.
I bought the plastic 6 blade fan from this motor and it was in fine shape.

If I were to buy this engine I would tear it down and do the works to it.
If it only has 60K then it may not need much, but I would not just
toss this engine into a car without a tear down.

The engine has not been painted and is the original black color.
The owner has pulled the engine/trans out of the car.

FWIW, I also took the rear axle and anti-sway bar from this car to upgrade my
Bugeye.

Good seats (tan), dash board, body parts, steel wheels (new tires), etc remain.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Grunthaner" <grunthaner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] What size engine is in a 74 Midget?


> Ive got to go out of town this weekend so Im passing on this 1275 with
> trans for $275. till I return. But I told the guy (Kevin) I would pass it
> along to the list. If he still has it next weekend I may buy it but being my
> other Sprite wont need it for some time Ill toss it to you guys. Although
> I really don't know if it is worth that much but ask Dean he saw it and I'm
> heading out in a few min.
> Lin
>
> It is located in NJ.
>
> Info below:
> rebuilt- no only 63000 on it
> smoke only when it was on fire
> about 2 mins
> dry chem then water to wash chem off right away
>
> original valve cover w/ plastic cap, cap did melt a little no water or dry
> chem went into valve cover.
>
> yes it turns by hand.
> 215-384-3472
>
> Kevin
>
> kdomrzalski at hotmail.com

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 18:29:17 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:29:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <898697.93060.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <2ad6c6b10910011951i7a3b37c6kb48f411215da285a@mail.gmail.com>
	<898697.93060.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910021729r2a629df4kf168ae8d43a5552c@mail.gmail.com>

10K tends to do that, Ron!
You speed-freak....

Herb

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > if I'm wrong...chances are better that
> > you may have a better (stronger) crank.
>
> It should have an EN40B crank, yes. Much like the one I had that just
> snapped in half (while in a "thick" block).
>
> Ron



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From spritenut at comcast.net  Fri Oct  2 20:03:27 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:03:27 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
In-Reply-To: <200910020719177.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <37dc82d40910011319m314081a3p6954949ed3f3bd5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910020719177.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <4AC6B0EF.6070806@comcast.net>

Peter Caldwell wrote:
> Pants-filling feeling, isn't it?
>
> I had it happen to me, but it was the pinch bolt at the lower end of 
> the column to the rack's pinion. The bolt fits in a groove in the 
> pinion shaft. The bolt pinches the split column tube with its splines 
> onto the pinion shaft which is also splined. The pinch bolt had worn 
> enough that  it allowed the column to pull out.
>
> Check those bolts! Better yet, replace them with a hardened bolt.
>
What Peter said!
Check that bolt at every oil change or twice a year.
And I mean check it. Not just look at it, put a wrench on it (7/16) make 
sure it's tight.
Pull it out once a year and look at it.
I know of a few Spridgets where this bolt came loose, it hits the frame 
and the car does not steer.



-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 20:26:10 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:26:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
In-Reply-To: <4AC6B0EF.6070806@comcast.net>
References: <37dc82d40910011319m314081a3p6954949ed3f3bd5a@mail.gmail.com>,
	<200910020719177.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>,
	<4AC6B0EF.6070806@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AC6B642.6509.1475C1A@kk7ss.verizon.net>

BTDT   ;-((   Fortunately for me it was at an autocross.

On 2 Oct 2009 at 22:03, Frank wrote:

>> I know of a few Spridgets where this bolt came loose, it hits the
>> frame and the car does not steer.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 20:38:18 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:38:18 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
In-Reply-To: <4AC6B0EF.6070806@comcast.net>
References: <37dc82d40910011319m314081a3p6954949ed3f3bd5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910020719177.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
	<4AC6B0EF.6070806@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910021938k67d880a4h1d9889c349c9cee9@mail.gmail.com>

In addition,...IF... the pinch-bolt has been loose for a (long) period of
time, the splines will be 'rounded' (severely worn).
Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon




On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> Peter Caldwell wrote:
>
>> Pants-filling feeling, isn't it?
>>
>> I had it happen to me, but it was the pinch bolt at the lower end of the
>> column to the rack's pinion. The bolt fits in a groove in the pinion shaft.
>> The bolt pinches the split column tube with its splines onto the pinion
>> shaft which is also splined. The pinch bolt had worn enough that  it allowed
>> the column to pull out.
>>
>> Check those bolts! Better yet, replace them with a hardened bolt.
>>
>>  What Peter said!
> Check that bolt at every oil change or twice a year.
> And I mean check it. Not just look at it, put a wrench on it (7/16) make
> sure it's tight.
> Pull it out once a year and look at it.
> I know of a few Spridgets where this bolt came loose, it hits the frame and
> the car does not steer.
>
>
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
> _____________________________________________



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From peter at nosimport.com  Sat Oct  3 08:07:51 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:07:51 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <216C57B977E647999867E3730F15CA82@blackbox2>
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What Dean says.

         You said "fade". That's when brakes overheat and become less 
effective in a single stopping action.

Having to pump the pedal to get brakes can have several causes.... 
mechanical and/or hydraulic

Hydraulic.... as you know, air in the system. Having even a small 
weep can cause this. Fix that, especially if it is at a fitting.

Mechanical..... Brake pistons (caliper or wheel cylinder) can only 
move very little. The pads or shoes must be set so they are very 
close to the disc or drum.
         Disc.. no adjustment BUT, if there is play in the wheel 
bearings, or hub or the disc is warped, the resulting wobble 
(run-out) will push the pistons in farther than they can be pushed 
out in a single pedal pump.
         Drum...shoes must be adjusted to be close to the drums. 
There are return springs that retract the shoes, and hence the 
pistons as far as permitted by the adjusters. You should have no more 
than 4 clicks on the handbrake lever. To test this, fully engage the 
handbrake, and feel if the pedal is different. Unlike discs, shoes 
wont retract during rotation. (unless the drums are horribly wonky)
         The several quick pumps "catches" the shoes/cylinders before 
they've had time to fully retract.

         Double check that stuff. It's ONLY brakes.
Peter C.
=====
At 06:48 PM 10/2/2009, Dean Hedin wrote:
>When you converted the brakes over to disc, did you also convert the 
>rear brakes to the later double acting pistons?
>
>One thing you can do to help isolate the issue is to disconnect the 
>line going to the rear from the junction block
>and put a bolt in it's place.  If the pedal firms up then you will know
>that the rear brakes are the culprit.
>
>Make sure the rear brake adjusters are not loose when you bleed the 
>rear brakes.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>
>
>>59 Bugeye 1275. .  disk brake conversion from a latter year Sprite.
>>I have bled the master cyl, the slave cyl and all the wheels beginning at
>>the passenger side rear wheel and working to the driver side rear, then to
>>the passenger side front, and the driver side front.
>>All bled out. .  still get brake fade. . it still feels like I am still
>>pushing air through the brake lines when I pump the brakes to stop.

From chris_west at juno.com  Sat Oct  3 08:16:05 2009
From: chris_west at juno.com (chris_west)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:16:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Fade
Message-ID: <20091003.071739.4091.8431@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Kirk Hargreaves wrote:
Could a very small leak on the passenger side rear brake cause this much
loss of pressure?  I have lived with the leak for a good two years
without
any brake fade until now.  When I top off the brake fluid there is only a
small amount of fluid needed to top off the system suggesting that the
leak
is still extremely minor.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kirk - If brake fluid is escaping from the system, air must be entering
at the same place, as the pressure exerted by the master cylinder is
replaced by the suction created by the master cylinder returning to its
"resting" position.  IOW fluid "out" is followed by air "in" at the same
point in the system.  Fix the leak, bleed the system fully (paying
attention to the rear brake adjustment as noted elsewhere) and you should
have a good, hard and consistent pedal with no pumping needed to stop the
car.  -  Chris
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From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 16:41:07 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>

David,


Thanks for the input regarding my brake fade situation.  I also found
yesterday that the spring - return spring on the brake side of the master
cyl had broken off.  I replaced it. .  made it feel a little better.

I have some new lines coming, braided lines for the front which might make a
difference.   As far as the rear brakes go, I am tempted to not use them at
all!  Cut them off from the system and let the front brakes stop the 1400 lb
car!  The fronts do over 70% of the work anyway.  . right?  Well, I am not
so sure about taking this route, but it is tempting!

I am not sure how old the rear shoes are since they have been on the car
since I bought it.  . about 5 years ago.  I am going to pull the rear brakes
apart, fix the leak and put some new shoes in.

The shoes that I have are in a green box from Moss.  "Made in England".  The
box says ABS on the top front with a pic of the shoes on the green box in
yellow.

I would guess that these might be the poorly patterned shoes that you are
referring too . . But I have not installed them yet.

Thanks for taking the time to give me your insight on the matter. .  it is
appreciated.

Kirk

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kirk,
> That is typical of a Spridget with too much travel in the rear shoes.
> Seems that the new shoes being sold by most of the usual suspects were
> patterned from a worn example, so even new there is not much
> adjustment. Shoes should be slightly dragging on the drums when
> properly adjusted. If not, it takes two pumps to get the brakes to
> work. I have heard that the 1.5" wide shoes from the front of the
> early Mini Coopers with 4-wheel drums work better, but I have not had
> a chance to try.
> David L
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 59 Bugeye 1275. .  disk brake conversion from a latter year Sprite.
> >
> > I have bled the master cyl, the slave cyl and all the wheels beginning at
> > the passenger side rear wheel and working to the driver side rear, then
> to
> > the passenger side front, and the driver side front.
> >
> > All bled out. .  still get brake fade. . it still feels like I am still
> > pushing air through the brake lines when I pump the brakes to stop.
> >
> > It does improve some after I finish bleeding them. . but I still have to
> > pump them down to stop.
> >
> > Could a very small leak on the passenger side rear brake cause this much
> > loss of pressure?  I have lived with the leak for a good two years
> without
> > any brake fade until now.  When I top off the brake fluid there is only a
> > small amount of fluid needed to top off the system suggesting that the
> leak
> > is still extremely minor.
> >
> > I am going to fix the leak this weekend.  . however, I feel like the fix
> > will not improve the problem.
> >
> > I am stumped on this one.  Feels like I am driving my old 1960 VW when I
> was
> > a kid.  I stopped that thing on air for 5 years.
> >
> > Anyone ever face this problem in a non leaking brake system?
> >
> > Any ideas are certainly appreciated!
> >
> > Kirk
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
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From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 16:44:46 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks to Dean Hedin
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910031544k5350dc1eg15261d7e69784bd4@mail.gmail.com>

Dean,

Thanks for the input regarding the idea of isolating the rear brakes. .
that will be my next step in this equation. .

Kirk

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sat Oct  3 17:07:46 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:07:46 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com><402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <760E30B35D27481BB3CE999F520FF071@spider>

Don' try to use front brakes only. You will lose control under braking; the
car will swap ends. ...bill in oregon
=========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Hargreaves
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:41 PM
To: David Lieb
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

David,

Thanks for the input regarding my brake fade situation.  I also found
yesterday that the spring - return spring on the brake side of the master
cyl had broken off.  I replaced it. .  made it feel a little better.

I have some new lines coming, braided lines for the front which might make a
difference.   As far as the rear brakes go, I am tempted to not use them at
all!  Cut them off from the system and let the front brakes stop the 1400 lb
car!  The fronts do over 70% of the work anyway.  . right?  Well, I am not
so sure about taking this route, but it is tempting!

I am not sure how old the rear shoes are since they have been on the car
since I bought it.  . about 5 years ago.  I am going to pull the rear brakes
apart, fix the leak and put some new shoes in.

The shoes that I have are in a green box from Moss.  "Made in England".  The
box says ABS on the top front with a pic of the shoes on the green box in
yellow.

I would guess that these might be the poorly patterned shoes that you are
referring too . . But I have not installed them yet.

Thanks for taking the time to give me your insight on the matter. .  it is
appreciated.

Kirk

From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 17:48:43 2009
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:48:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com><402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06C0F54D8FDB484582E8341705A92A23@BASEMENTDELL>

Errrr....you REALLY want to do that??? Think of the physics behind that.  Or
at least the 5 feet behind those front brakes and little tires attached to
the light rear drive car we talk of.

Now if you just want to burn rubber with the Camaros at the light...

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Hargreaves
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:41 PM
To: David Lieb
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

David,


Thanks for the input regarding my brake fade situation.  I also found
yesterday that the spring - return spring on the brake side of the master
cyl had broken off.  I replaced it. .  made it feel a little better.

I have some new lines coming, braided lines for the front which might make a
difference.   As far as the rear brakes go, I am tempted to not use them at
all!  Cut them off from the system and let the front brakes stop the 1400 lb
car!  The fronts do over 70% of the work anyway.  . right?  Well, I am not
so sure about taking this route, but it is tempting!

I am not sure how old the rear shoes are since they have been on the car
since I bought it.  . about 5 years ago.  I am going to pull the rear brakes
apart, fix the leak and put some new shoes in.

The shoes that I have are in a green box from Moss.  "Made in England".  The
box says ABS on the top front with a pic of the shoes on the green box in
yellow.

I would guess that these might be the poorly patterned shoes that you are
referring too . . But I have not installed them yet.

Thanks for taking the time to give me your insight on the matter. .  it is
appreciated.

Kirk

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kirk,
> That is typical of a Spridget with too much travel in the rear shoes.
> Seems that the new shoes being sold by most of the usual suspects were
> patterned from a worn example, so even new there is not much
> adjustment. Shoes should be slightly dragging on the drums when
> properly adjusted. If not, it takes two pumps to get the brakes to
> work. I have heard that the 1.5" wide shoes from the front of the
> early Mini Coopers with 4-wheel drums work better, but I have not had
> a chance to try.
> David L
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 59 Bugeye 1275. .  disk brake conversion from a latter year Sprite.
> >
> > I have bled the master cyl, the slave cyl and all the wheels beginning
at
> > the passenger side rear wheel and working to the driver side rear, then
> to
> > the passenger side front, and the driver side front.
> >
> > All bled out. .  still get brake fade. . it still feels like I am still
> > pushing air through the brake lines when I pump the brakes to stop.
> >
> > It does improve some after I finish bleeding them. . but I still have to
> > pump them down to stop.
> >
> > Could a very small leak on the passenger side rear brake cause this much
> > loss of pressure?  I have lived with the leak for a good two years
> without
> > any brake fade until now.  When I top off the brake fluid there is only
a
> > small amount of fluid needed to top off the system suggesting that the
> leak
> > is still extremely minor.
> >
> > I am going to fix the leak this weekend.  . however, I feel like the fix
> > will not improve the problem.
> >
> > I am stumped on this one.  Feels like I am driving my old 1960 VW when I
> was
> > a kid.  I stopped that thing on air for 5 years.
> >
> > Anyone ever face this problem in a non leaking brake system?
> >
> > Any ideas are certainly appreciated!
> >
> > Kirk
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > You are subscribed as 72spridget at gmail.com
> >
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> >
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 17:54:22 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:54:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
Message-ID: <955235.94892.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

...is really starting to liquidate his toys:

http://shop.ebay.com/corsairfg1d/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=

Ron

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 18:02:01 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:02:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
Message-ID: <766848.18937.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And is that a 512BB or an M1 in the background of one of the 1896 Carousel
pictures? 

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From:
Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Sebring Sprite seller...
> To:
"Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:54
PM
> ...is really starting to liquidate
> his toys:
> 
>
http://shop.ebay.com/corsairfg1d/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=
> 
> Ron
>
> 
>       

From sales at justbrits.com  Sat Oct  3 18:17:12 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:17:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <760E30B35D27481BB3CE999F520FF071@spider>
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com><402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
	<760E30B35D27481BB3CE999F520FF071@spider>
Message-ID: <4AC7E988.8010202@justbrits.com>

<< Don' try to use front brakes only. You will lose control under
braking; thecar will swap ends>>

And maybe more then once, Bill !!!!

Ed

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sat Oct  3 18:34:28 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
In-Reply-To: <766848.18937.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <766848.18937.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD9FDA65E07486194AD8C6562B4ECBC@spider>

Sharp eye! I think there is a Bertone Volvo behind that. ...bill in oregon

=====================================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:02 PM
To: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...

And is that a 512BB or an M1 in the background of one of the 1896 Carousel
pictures? 

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From:
Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Sebring Sprite seller...
> To:
"Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:54
PM
> ...is really starting to liquidate
> his toys:
> 
>
http://shop.ebay.com/corsairfg1d/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=
> 
> Ron
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From sales at justbrits.com  Sat Oct  3 19:52:18 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] [Jensen-cars] good info
In-Reply-To: <85h0df$65lm3v@smtp.mailfilter4.ihug.co.nz>
References: <85h0df$65lm3v@smtp.mailfilter4.ihug.co.nz>
Message-ID: <4AC7FFD2.50805@justbrits.com>

This is GOSPEL and sort of LBC 'related' <VBG> !!!

Ed

From sales at justbrits.com  Sat Oct  3 19:56:23 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] [Jensen-cars] good info
In-Reply-To: <4AC7FFD2.50805@justbrits.com>
References: <85h0df$65lm3v@smtp.mailfilter4.ihug.co.nz>
	<4AC7FFD2.50805@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <4AC800C6.4080404@justbrits.com>

I suppose it might help if I included a LINK !!!!
Sorry.

http://www.mopar1.us/commandments.html

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  3 21:27:45 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:27:45 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
In-Reply-To: <955235.94892.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <955235.94892.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D76FA5F0A21C4F19B4C61F307A1ECB77@HomePC>

How does the song go -- "Cheaper to keep her."

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:54 PM
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...

...is really starting to liquidate his toys:

http://shop.ebay.com/corsairfg1d/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=

Ron
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 21:39:05 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
In-Reply-To: <D76FA5F0A21C4F19B4C61F307A1ECB77@HomePC>
Message-ID: <219416.99068.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> How does the song go -- "Cheaper to
> keep her."

The description on the train set says a lot - he flew the company's best technician to the States to fix his train set. And he needed his own merry-go-round. Despite my initial like for this anonymous person, I'm kind of thinking she may have had a valid complaint or two.

Ron

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sat Oct  3 23:56:58 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:56:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <06C0F54D8FDB484582E8341705A92A23@BASEMENTDELL>
Message-ID: <C6ED873A.2114F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

I think it's a good idea to have all the brakes working, but during my
starving musician days I went without rear brakes for several months and it
was no big deal. I just didn't drive fast. I also went a couple of months
with rear brakes only, and I drove very slowly.
I guess my point is that it's not a really good solution, but it won't make
the car spin around unless you drive fast and stupid. If that's the case,
you need more than just brakes.

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 02:04:42 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 04:04:42 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
Message-ID: <cd5.5ad5ef13.37f9b11a@aol.com>

The opposite of a thin block.  Thin 1275 Blocks seen on the early cars  and 
pictured in some tuning books and S&M by Horler.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 02/10/2009 01:35:14 GMT Daylight Time,  
grunthaner at gmail.com writes:

Herb  & List,
What is a thick block I never heard of that term  before.
Lin

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 02:08:36 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 04:08:36 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Engine mounts
Message-ID: <c2e.576838bb.37f9b204@aol.com>

You need a UK Heritage approved panel supplier who can get you just the  
parts you need.  They are made for entire shells or just the full H  section.  
 
Weslake-Monza1330
 
In a message dated 02/10/2009 02:34:49 GMT Daylight Time,  
andrewpayne at intrex.net writes:

I have  pulled the engine, and the all steel mounts bolted to the frame are 
 cracked.  Neither VB or Moss sell the part. Is it available, or should I  
just weld it up?

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 02:11:46 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 04:11:46 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
Message-ID: <c24.6bce04fa.37f9b2c2@aol.com>

The EN40B crank's were at one time much sought after by the racers but if  
they fail they do so that makes more of a mess than the later cranks.  My  
engine builder would not have built my engine if I'd have given me an EN40B  
crank.  Maybe someone else can provide a better technical  explanation.
 
Regards
 
Weslake-Monza1330
 
In a message dated 02/10/2009 04:04:25 GMT Daylight Time, soavero at yahoo.com 
 writes:

It  should have an EN40B crank, yes. Much like the one I had that just 
snapped in  half (while in a "thick" block). 

Ron

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 02:13:24 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 04:13:24 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] I Lost my ability to steer
Message-ID: <bdd.5ba2da0f.37f9b324@aol.com>

You mean Pants-filled don't you?
 
In a message dated 02/10/2009 15:20:25 GMT Daylight Time,  
peter at nosimport.com writes:

Pants-filling feeling, isn't it?

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 02:15:55 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 04:15:55 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Thick Blocks
Message-ID: <d40.4fdb78c6.37f9b3bb@aol.com>

I believe there is Spridget tuning book that has photos of all the in-line  
1275cc Blocks in it??
 
Somebody else.
 
In a message dated 02/10/2009 23:39:04 GMT Daylight Time, soavero at yahoo.com 
 writes:

It'd be  a 12CC block. Not all 12CCs are thin, but all thins are 12CC.

Take a  picture where the pan meets the block and email it to  me.

From dwramsey at att.net  Sun Oct  4 02:26:59 2009
From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 01:26:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091004082716.C2A4C187672@autox.team.net>

Let's see about this your going to replace the front brake lines but not the
rear line.  Don't the braided lines still come in a set of three?  You have
no idea how old the rear line is but you have had it for 5 years. As to
disconnecting the rear brakes I won't even go there. There is no reason that
you can't run the original rear brake system with a disc front.  Fix the
problem or park the car.
		Crash

I have some new lines coming, braided lines for the front which might make a
difference.   As far as the rear brakes go, I am tempted to not use them at
all!

I am not sure how old the rear shoes are since they have been on the car
since I bought it.  . about 5 years ago

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 06:24:57 2009
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:24:57 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <4AC7E988.8010202@justbrits.com>
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com><402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com>
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Ummm,
Why would the car want to swap ends with no rear brakes?Don't they usually
tend to swap ends only if the rears lock up before the fronts???If the rears
don't work, they would just continue to roll, not upsetting the balance of the
car.
Many people drive around not realizing their rear brakes aren't providing
theirfair share of braking ability with no adverse handling affects.I am NOT
recommending front brakes only.....

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!



> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:17:12 -0500
> From: sales at justbrits.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
>
> << Don' try to use front brakes only. You will lose control under
> braking; thecar will swap ends>>
>
> And maybe more then once, Bill !!!!
>
> Ed

 		 	   		  
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  4 06:25:37 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:25:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <C6ED873A.2114F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6ED873A.2114F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <092D4A5C22EC43F084A6AC1B582E74E1@HomePC>

You shouldn't have to worry about the rear coming around under breaking if 
the rear brakes aren't working.  The only reason the rear would come around 
is if the wheels locked up and lost traction.  Only when they lose forward 
traction will they have no traction left for side forces.

I would guess that if you google "traction circle" somebody could explain it 
better than I have room to here.

LAD
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Billy Zoom" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:56 AM
To: "Chris Manuel" <cmanuel at wi.rr.com>; "'Kirk Hargreaves'" 
<khargreaves2 at gmail.com>; "'David Lieb'" <72spridget at gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

I think it's a good idea to have all the brakes working, but during my
starving musician days I went without rear brakes for several months and it
was no big deal. I just didn't drive fast. I also went a couple of months
with rear brakes only, and I drove very slowly.
I guess my point is that it's not a really good solution, but it won't make
the car spin around unless you drive fast and stupid. If that's the case,
you need more than just brakes.
_______________________________________________

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 06:29:14 2009
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
In-Reply-To: <766848.18937.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <766848.18937.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W18BC5E7A8DC9543B43B7D6C2D00@phx.gbl>

Looks like a BB Ron.An M1 would have louvers along the C pillar. And factory
rims would have been different.Damn nice Bonanza for sale too. At a very good
price.Sure does have alot of toys tho, huh?
Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!



> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:02:01 -0700
> From: soavero at yahoo.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
>
> And is that a 512BB or an M1 in the background of one of the 1896 Carousel
> pictures?
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From:
> Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Sebring Sprite seller...
> > To:
> "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:54
> PM
> > ...is really starting to liquidate
> > his toys:
> >
> >
> http://shop.ebay.com/corsairfg1d/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=
> >
> > Ron

 		 	   		  
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From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct  4 06:33:35 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:33:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <c8a.46a6ce95.37f51956@aol.com>
References: <c8a.46a6ce95.37f51956@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7D1DD210-D3BE-4E13-9D89-A8E75014E82E@phillymgclub.com>

Well, my daughter, Kristi, who seems not to have replied in this  
thread, is 33. Her hubby Lambert is 34 (I hope I got that right ;-).

Where Ryan falls, ???

Larry

On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:28 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote:

> Duncan appears to be the youngest at 37 compared to my 46.  I guess he
> must be older than his Spridget as well (mine is only 6 years  
> younger than
> me).  I weigh in at 152lbs
>
> Weslake Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 30/09/2009 21:16:37 GMT Daylight Time,
> duncan at pondhop.com writes:
>
> How  about 37, any lower  bidders
>
> Thanks
> Duncan
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  4 06:36:07 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <cd5.5ad5ef13.37f9b11a@aol.com>
References: <cd5.5ad5ef13.37f9b11a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <922AF7F1C3C6446E82A9008507D9E632@HomePC>

Horler wrote about S&M, too?

Duquette, you're slipping.  Normally you would have gotten that one first.

--------------------------------------------------
From: <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:04 AM
To: <grunthaner at gmail.com>; <froggi60 at gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Project Pictures

The opposite of a thin block.  Thin 1275 Blocks seen on the early cars  and
pictured in some tuning books and S&M by Horler.

Weslake-Monza 1330

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct  4 06:37:18 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <4AC3EDBE.6010200@justbrits.com>
References: <540661492.9148161254352828176.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <F5B08CA4-F0C5-4C40-A43C-A40076AED477@phillymgclub.com>

Naaah, She has been older than me for the last 3 years.

Larry
Headed for the 23rd anniversary of my 30th in December

On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Sales at Just Brits wrote:

> <<but  I am 33 years old with a car that is 35.>>
>
> Wow Kristi, that makes your POP a REALLY
> OLD man !!!!
>
> LOL
>
> Ed
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 06:38:23 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 05:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <7D1DD210-D3BE-4E13-9D89-A8E75014E82E@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <803439.71770.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
> Well, my daughter,
> Kristi, who seems not to have replied in this thread, is 33.

What makes me feel old is that when you and I first met (with my cousin before the Springsteen show, 1999) I was Kristi's age.

Ron
"...you're thinking...that maybe we ain't that young anymore..."

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 06:49:13 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <092D4A5C22EC43F084A6AC1B582E74E1@HomePC>
Message-ID: <431423.29525.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> You shouldn't have to worry about the
> rear coming around under breaking if 
> the rear brakes aren't working.  

Don not take this as an endorsement to disable your rear brakes - I think that is moro...a bad idea. But, yeah to Larry - that's why they are biased forward. When you brake, the nose dives, the rear lifts, the weight is transferred to the front wheels, and way less braking force is now required at the rear. At Road America for instance, Turn 5 and Canada corner are top speed acute angle turns, and you can pretty much watch the rear tire opposite the driver's side smoke on entry at least once a race for most production cars as the weight shifts to driver's side front wheel. Don't tell anyone, but one of the secrets of White Trash's seemingly unlikely capabilities is that with me in it and 5 gallons of fuel, the corner weights are almost perfect. It came that way by coincidence. I also use the original single acting rear cylinder with front discs. All the guys slower than me tell me it's a bad idea. I do intend to change it someday, though.

Ron

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  4 06:54:49 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 05:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W161E13E22C480F41552185C2D00@phx.gbl>
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com><402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com><37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU103-W161E13E22C480F41552185C2D00@phx.gbl>
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Get a toy car with moving wheels. Tape the front ones and slide it down an
inclined board. Again though, it is how fast you are going that will
determine the consequences.   ...bill in oregon
====================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brian S
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:25 AM
To: spridgets list
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

Ummm,
Why would the car want to swap ends with no rear brakes?Don't they usually
tend to swap ends only if the rears lock up before the fronts???If the rears
don't work, they would just continue to roll, not upsetting the balance of
the
car.
Many people drive around not realizing their rear brakes aren't providing
theirfair share of braking ability with no adverse handling affects.I am NOT
recommending front brakes only.....

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct  4 07:37:20 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:37:20 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <803439.71770.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <803439.71770.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FF4DEA66-26E8-434A-A2C8-CDE934ADC03A@phillymgclub.com>

OUCH!!

Was a great concert tho

Larry

On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Ron Soave wrote:

> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
>> Well, my daughter,
>> Kristi, who seems not to have replied in this thread, is 33.
>
> What makes me feel old is that when you and I first met (with my  
> cousin before the Springsteen show, 1999) I was Kristi's age.
>
> Ron
> "...you're thinking...that maybe we ain't that young anymore..."
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sun Oct  4 08:00:45 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <C6ED873A.2114F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6ED873A.2114F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <EC493A5E75934DFAA0330B6FF55A6ECD@Home>

My daughter's ancient Honda passed inspection in MO with the rear brakes 
completely frozen.  No one noticed.

Michael Rowe 

From grday at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  4 08:25:46 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:25:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <760E30B35D27481BB3CE999F520FF071@spider>
References: <37dc82d40910021551w47055549hea9af5ed9ac33fc@mail.gmail.com><402188520910021642r30d39459jdb5fa3117a8625cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dc82d40910031541i339fe265tbb0a9eccdc31204f@mail.gmail.com>
	<760E30B35D27481BB3CE999F520FF071@spider>
Message-ID: <928596.86232.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Bill,

This is not true.  You need braking at the front.    

Please review
static and sliding frictional forces, you will see that if your wheels lock at
the back they will swing round and try to lead.  It is one of the reasons
front brakes are larger and provide more braking force than the rears.

Guy R
Day





________________________________
From: "corvallis at peoplepc.com"
<corvallis at peoplepc.com>
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, 4 October,
2009 12:07:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake
Fade

Don' try to use front brakes only. You will lose control under braking;
the
car will swap ends. ...bill in oregon
=========================================================
-----Original
Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Hargreaves
Sent:
Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:41 PM
To: David Lieb
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

David,

Thanks
for the input regarding my brake fade situation.  I also found
yesterday that
the spring - return spring on the brake side of the master
cyl had broken
off.  I replaced it. .  made it feel a little better.

I have some new lines
coming, braided lines for the front which might make a
difference.  As far as
the rear brakes go, I am tempted to not use them at
all!  Cut them off from
the system and let the front brakes stop the 1400 lb
car!  The fronts do over
70% of the work anyway.  . right?  Well, I am not
so sure about taking this
route, but it is tempting!

I am not sure how old the rear shoes are since
they have been on the car
since I bought it.  . about 5 years ago.  I am going
to pull the rear brakes
apart, fix the leak and put some new shoes in.

The
shoes that I have are in a green box from Moss.  "Made in England".  The
box
says ABS on the top front with a pic of the shoes on the green box in
yellow.
I would guess that these might be the poorly patterned shoes that you are
referring too . . But I have not installed them yet.

Thanks for taking the
time to give me your insight on the matter. .  it is
appreciated.

Kirk
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 08:33:58 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:33:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Great post - Re: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye
 Group
In-Reply-To: <FF4DEA66-26E8-434A-A2C8-CDE934ADC03A@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <813377.35925.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For Larry's exceptional summary of this early piece of Spridget list history:
http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/spridgets/1999-08/msg00279.html

---
On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> From: Larry
Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget
ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
> To: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
> Cc:
"Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:37
AM
> OUCH!!
> Was a great concert tho
> Larry
> On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM,
Ron Soave
> wrote:
> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
> wrote:
> Well, my daughter,
> Kristi, who seems not
> to have replied in
this thread, is 33.
> 
> What makes me feel old is that when you and I first
met
> (with my cousin before the Springsteen show, 1999) I was
> Kristi's age.
> 
> Ron
> "...you're thinking...that maybe we ain't that
> young anymore..."
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> question is." - Douglas
> Adams

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 09:01:46 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:01:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring Sprite seller...
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W18BC5E7A8DC9543B43B7D6C2D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <204247.98787.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> price.Sure does have alot of toys tho, huh?

In full stalker mode...ended ebay item 300349503641, some very cool stuff in the background (not to mention the Mini that was the auction item, although a bit new). I think I like this guy again, and the carousel really is an amazing piece.

Ron

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct  4 10:31:05 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:31:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Great post - Re: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New
 Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <813377.35925.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <813377.35925.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B55777E6-75D5-40E0-AEB4-F16CEA652568@phillymgclub.com>

BTW, Headed to see Bruce on his last show in the Philly Spectrum (Oct  
20th). Probably not his last show in Philly, but they are tearing down  
the Spectrum. Supposedly he opened the Spectrum in the mid '70s  
sometime.

This will be Theresa's first time to see Bruce, and she grew up in NJ.

Larry

On Oct 4, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Ron Soave wrote:

> For Larry's exceptional summary of this early piece of Spridget list  
> history:
>
> http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/spridgets/1999-08/ 
> msg00279.html
>
> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
>> To: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:37 AM
>> OUCH!!
>> Was a great concert tho
>> Larry
>> On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Ron Soave
>> wrote:
>> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
>> wrote:
>> Well, my daughter,
>> Kristi, who seems not
>> to have replied in this thread, is 33.
>>
>> What makes me feel old is that when you and I first met
>> (with my cousin before the Springsteen show, 1999) I was
>> Kristi's age.
>>
>> Ron
>> "...you're thinking...that maybe we ain't that
>> young anymore..."
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>> Keep your top down and your chin up.
>> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.lmacy at phillymgclub.comBoard
>> Member at LargePhiladelphia MG Club
>>
>>
>> "I think the problem, to be quite honest
>> with you, is that you've never actually known what the
>> question is." - Douglas
>> Adams
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct  4 11:02:41 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Great post - Re: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New
 Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <B55777E6-75D5-40E0-AEB4-F16CEA652568@phillymgclub.com>
References: <813377.35925.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B55777E6-75D5-40E0-AEB4-F16CEA652568@phillymgclub.com>
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Oh, and that email, from 1999, was written about 2 weeks before I met  
Theresa. (August 22, 1999). Seems like such a short time ago.

Larry

On Oct 4, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Larry Macy wrote:

> BTW, Headed to see Bruce on his last show in the Philly Spectrum (Oct
> 20th). Probably not his last show in Philly, but they are tearing down
> the Spectrum. Supposedly he opened the Spectrum in the mid '70s
> sometime.
>
> This will be Theresa's first time to see Bruce, and she grew up in NJ.
>
> Larry
>
> On Oct 4, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Ron Soave wrote:
>
>> For Larry's exceptional summary of this early piece of Spridget list
>> history:
>>
>> http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/spridgets/1999-08/
>> msg00279.html
>>
>> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye  
>>> Group
>>> To: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>>> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:37 AM
>>> OUCH!!
>>> Was a great concert tho
>>> Larry
>>> On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Ron Soave
>>> wrote:
>>> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Well, my daughter,
>>> Kristi, who seems not
>>> to have replied in this thread, is 33.
>>>
>>> What makes me feel old is that when you and I first met
>>> (with my cousin before the Springsteen show, 1999) I was
>>> Kristi's age.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> "...you're thinking...that maybe we ain't that
>>> young anymore..."
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>>> Keep your top down and your chin up.
>>> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.lmacy at phillymgclub.comBoard
>>> Member at LargePhiladelphia MG Club
>>>
>>>
>>> "I think the problem, to be quite honest
>>> with you, is that you've never actually known what the
>>> question is." - Douglas
>>> Adams
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
> Larry Macy
> 78 Midget
>
> Keep your top down and your chin up.
>
> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
> lmacy at phillymgclub.com
> Board Member at Large
> Philadelphia MG Club
>
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in
> sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally
> worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".
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Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club


"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of  
arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in  
sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally  
worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".

From yoonit at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 11:16:52 2009
From: yoonit at yahoo.com (M F)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget owner
Message-ID: <135003.92805.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had to tell you about a good friend of mine who bought his 1965 Sprite when
he was 15 years old...and still has it (he's now about 56). Just finished his
2nd complete restoration...
 
-michael in WI
'63 Sprite Mk2

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct  4 11:21:11 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:21:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <EC493A5E75934DFAA0330B6FF55A6ECD@Home>
Message-ID: <C6EE2797.2117D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> My daughter's ancient Honda passed inspection in MO with the rear brakes
> completely frozen.  No one noticed.
I change the front pads on my CRX every 30K miles. I've had new rear shoes
on my shelf for about fifteen years now, but I'm still waiting for the old
shoes to wear out. The other Honda guys tell me this is normal.
BZ

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 12:13:24 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:13:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <FF4DEA66-26E8-434A-A2C8-CDE934ADC03A@phillymgclub.com>
References: <803439.71770.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FF4DEA66-26E8-434A-A2C8-CDE934ADC03A@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910041113y340a0ffdy89a3a2be32631529@mail.gmail.com>

I keep reading about all the people who are going to leave the group because
of straying off topic into the world of politics.  I suppose those same
people are perfectly content with the subject of AGE?  Well...   They seem
to be as there have been no tirades about off subject discussion of peoples
age...     ;-)

Personally, I find mention of age in poor taste. At least for those of us
who have used up more than half of our allotment...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> OUCH!!
>
> Was a great concert tho
>
> Larry
>
> On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Ron Soave wrote:
>
> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
> >> Well, my daughter,
> >> Kristi, who seems not to have replied in this thread, is 33.
> >
> > What makes me feel old is that when you and I first met (with my
> > cousin before the Springsteen show, 1999) I was Kristi's age.
> >
> > Ron
> > "...you're thinking...that maybe we ain't that young anymore..."

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 12:27:49 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:27:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] This is the BEST bunch of people one could ever find -
 A BIG THANK YOU to all
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910041127q3637cc10ie0c691a3e2f6215a@mail.gmail.com>

I just gotta say. . I threw out a question about brake fade, an issue I am
having.  I cannot get over the help I have been receiving from so many on
the Spridgets list.

I have tried to thank everyone individually.   This is just another thanks
to all that have sent photo's as well as fantastic information to sort out
this problem.

If the world had more people in it such as those on this list I am convinced
that the world would be a much better place to live.

Salt of the earth, all of you. . .

Thanks again,

Kirk Hargreaves
59 Sprite

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 12:30:47 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:30:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <C6EE2797.2117D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <EC493A5E75934DFAA0330B6FF55A6ECD@Home>
	<C6EE2797.2117D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910041130x781c2012s25b13b5b60afc4f4@mail.gmail.com>

Billy,


Thanks for the input. .  My rear brakes have been nominal at best since I
have had the car.  I am kind of a nut case with my Sprite. .  in that I tend
to drive it even when it is not all up to par.

I never seem to get tired of driving my Bugeye (which is now putting down
around 80 hp).

My take is that my rear brakes have not been doing much since I have owned
the thing anyway.   Yet still, I am working on them to get them up to where
they will hopefully begin to do their thing.

Kirk

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:

> > My daughter's ancient Honda passed inspection in MO with the rear brakes
> > completely frozen.  No one noticed.
> I change the front pads on my CRX every 30K miles. I've had new rear shoes
> on my shelf for about fifteen years now, but I'm still waiting for the old
> shoes to wear out. The other Honda guys tell me this is normal.
> BZ

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 13:12:57 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910041113y340a0ffdy89a3a2be32631529@mail.gmail.com>
References: <803439.71770.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FF4DEA66-26E8-434A-A2C8-CDE934ADC03A@phillymgclub.com>
	<43840a7e0910041113y340a0ffdy89a3a2be32631529@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910041212r1cfe5e0eoc0e215e542203504@mail.gmail.com>

> Personally, I find mention of age in poor taste. At least for those of us
> who have used up more than half of our allotment...

Dunno bout poor taste, but I have found it rather pointless. Driving
season ain't over yet and we are already drifting into the cabin fever
topics...
David L

From pelliott at innercite.com  Sun Oct  4 15:02:29 2009
From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sad
In-Reply-To: <E4A9200F8F71460C8F093B3F1AB0641D@MAIN>
References: <AA89CE358D51F94F80F035E644CE73C351359A62AF@RNOMBX01.is.ad.igt.com>
	<2ad6c6b10909221403u2f6362d2y475a1b5dc2e3131e@mail.gmail.com>
	<E4A9200F8F71460C8F093B3F1AB0641D@MAIN>
Message-ID: <083601ca4535$fce41630$f6ac4290$@com>

I see that my 1995 XJ-12 was one of eight. I don't feel so bad now.

From bkitterer at me.com  Sun Oct  4 15:04:04 2009
From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:04:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Happy Wanders II and LBC brakes
In-Reply-To: <A32B4A1A-0A80-4554-9464-84748D90475D@ado13.com>
References: <A32B4A1A-0A80-4554-9464-84748D90475D@ado13.com>
Message-ID: <6ACA5DAD-9ABB-425F-AA8C-BC574F773092@me.com>

Big changes here.  The past month has been spent  packing / storing my  
household possessions, including the Sprites.  In another day or so I  
will have finished and will be living in the motor home.  This is the  
first step in a plan to spend the next 12 to 24 months "on the road."   
Part one is a move to the co-op RV park where I have a site, only a  
short distance of 35 miles or so away.   Along with the recent lady in  
my life we will spend the rest of the year getting into the "RV life,"  
doing a short trip or two and planning longer trips for the up coming  
year.  Currently there is no agenda but am hoping to once more have  
the opportunity to meet some of the members of this list as we wander  
around.  For those who may remember this will be some what like the  
trips my deceased wife and I did 6 to 10 years ago except that we will  
not have the Sprite.

Speaking of the Sprite it remains with out brakes but I did promise an  
update.  When we did the frame up in 1997 I switched to silicon brake  
fluid solely because it does not eat paint.  The brakes have worked  
flawlessly until a few months ago when suddenly there was no pressure,  
also no leaks.  I got all new seals and then opened the system for the  
first time since the frame up, 12 years ago.  There was no water or  
corrosion any where in the system. So a quick honing of the cylinders,  
replace the seals and back together it went.  After lots of work  
getting the air out of the system there still was no pressure !!  A  
check with some local sources an it seems that all the seals they are  
getting are labeled "Not for use with silicon brake fluid."  My  
current conclusion is that the silicon fluid is "slipping" by the  
seals in the master cylinder - - hence no pressure.  So the car went  
into storage with no brakes or clutch.  When I return hopefully there  
will be some compatible seals or another brake fluid that does not eat  
paint.  Other wise it is going to be a major flush and rebuild project  
to go back to the older fluid.

Almost on the road.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) - in storage
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes - in storage
2000 Miata Special Edition - getting close to being in storage

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:25:51 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:25:51 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <cdf.593f42d4.37fa6cdf@aol.com>

NO IT WON'T.  The front wheels will lock and braking efficiency will  be 
impaired so don't do it for that reason.
 
It's when the rear brakes lock that the car swaps ends.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 04/10/2009 00:27:06 GMT Daylight Time,  
corvallis at peoplepc.com writes:

Don' try  to use front brakes only. You will lose control under braking; the
car will  swap ends. ...bill in oregon

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 15:30:20 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:30:20 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <cd4.57a4cb31.37fa6dec@aol.com>

NO - still wrong.
 
Try it with a rubber band on the front wheels and slowly drag it foward and 
 it's stable.  Put the rubber band on the rear wheels and slowly drag it  
foward and it swaps ends.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 04/10/2009 14:19:18 GMT Daylight Time,  
corvallis at peoplepc.com writes:

Get a  toy car with moving wheels. Tape the front ones and slide it down  an
inclined board. Again though, it is how fast you are going that  will
determine the consequences.   ...bill in  oregon

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 15:53:21 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:53:21 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <cd4.57a4cb31.37fa6dec@aol.com>
References: <cd4.57a4cb31.37fa6dec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>

> Try it with a rubber band on the front wheels and slowly drag it foward and
>  it's stable.  Put the rubber band on the rear wheels and slowly drag it
> foward and it swaps ends.

I thought that was the argument for FWD...
David L

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sun Oct  4 17:50:09 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:50:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Any vehicle will swap ends when the back can go faster than the front!

Just watch a semi 'jack-knife' when braking on ice or in heavy rain.!

Under braking, the weight transfers to the front, the back goes light, loses traction, and wants to overtake the front.

Dave G.
(sent from a web site)

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 18:15:31 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:15:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910041113y340a0ffdy89a3a2be32631529@mail.gmail.com>
References: <803439.71770.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FF4DEA66-26E8-434A-A2C8-CDE934ADC03A@phillymgclub.com>
	<43840a7e0910041113y340a0ffdy89a3a2be32631529@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910041715v3318726fn590225295d177aea@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
Remember, that was the 'yahoo' list that started complaining about off-topic
and starting a new list.

Herb

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I keep reading about all the people who are going to leave the group
> because
> of straying off topic into the world of politics.  I suppose those same
> people are perfectly content with the subject of AGE?  Well...   They seem
> to be as there have been no tirades about off subject discussion of peoples
> age...     ;-)
>
> Personally, I find mention of age in poor taste. At least for those of us
> who have used up more than half of our allotment...
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
>
> > OUCH!!
> >
> > Was a great concert tho
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Ron Soave wrote:
> >
> > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
> > >> Well, my daughter,
> > >> Kristi, who seems not to have replied in this thread, is 33.
> > >
> > > What makes me feel old is that when you and I first met (with my
> > > cousin before the Springsteen show, 1999) I was Kristi's age.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > "...you're thinking...that maybe we ain't that young anymore..."
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 18:21:14 2009
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:21:14 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
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He couldn't get out of his 'leathers' and chains fast enough....


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Horler wrote about S&M, too?
>
> Duquette, you're slipping.  Normally you would have gotten that one first.
>
>
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From grday at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  4 18:32:30 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:32:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <cd4.57a4cb31.37fa6dec@aol.com>
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This is one of the little demos I did when lecturing to various groups.  It
was always good to ask what will happen when speaking to groups of 'advanced
drivers' or to a group of driving instructors.  You could bet that half of
them would get it wrong as it is rather counter intuitive; you expect a 'pull
from the rear' to hold you straight but it doesn't.  

When setting the car
off, to prove it wasn't me spinning the car with the rears locked up I used a
3 foot length of builders plastic wiring channel for the car to go down before
it span on the table.  btw - with a toy car there is no need to swap the
rubber band from front to back - just turn the car round.  The locked wheels
will always try to lead.


Guy R Day





 
________________________________
From: "WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com"
<WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
To: corvallis at peoplepc.com;
spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, 4 October, 2009 10:30:20 PM
Subject:
Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

NO - still wrong.

Try
it with a rubber band on the front wheels and slowly drag it foward and 
it's
stable.  Put the rubber band on the rear wheels and slowly drag it  
foward
and it swaps ends.

Weslake-Monza 1330

In a message dated 04/10/2009 14:19:18
GMT Daylight Time,  
corvallis at peoplepc.com writes:

Get a  toy car with
moving wheels. Tape the front ones and slide it down  an
inclined board. Again
though, it is how fast you are going that  will
determine the consequences. 
...bill in  oregon
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 18:48:10 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:48:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>

And no one has yet mentioned the situation when braking during a
corner....   There are some lateral forces involved there. Would that make a
difference? I'm not about to try it to find out!  Imagine a hard left corner
with a lateral g load of about 1.5 G...  Now imagine slamming on brakes on
just the front wheels....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM, DAVID GROPPER <kk7ss at verizon.net> wrote:

> Any vehicle will swap ends when the back can go faster than the front!
>
> Just watch a semi 'jack-knife' when braking on ice or in heavy rain.!
>
> Under braking, the weight transfers to the front, the back goes light,
> loses traction, and wants to overtake the front.
>
> Dave G.
> (sent from a web site)

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  4 19:27:43 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
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	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>

Jim, take a look at this:

http://www.teamassociated.com/racerhub/techhelp/marc/Handling.2.html

They explain "traction circle" for you.  To simplify it, you have a finite 
amount of traction no matter in what directions it is used.  So, if you use 
it all up by locking up under braking or spinning the tires under 
acceleration, you will have nothing left for side G forces and will slide 
out to the side on whichever end has lost traction.  I'm sure Ron can give 
you the science behind it, but it really is a simple, straightforward 
concept.

That's why FWD cars make lousy racecars since the same end takes care of the 
steering and accelerating.


LAD

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:48 PM
To: "DAVID GROPPER" <kk7ss at verizon.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

And no one has yet mentioned the situation when braking during a
corner....   There are some lateral forces involved there. Would that make a
difference? I'm not about to try it to find out!  Imagine a hard left corner
with a lateral g load of about 1.5 G...  Now imagine slamming on brakes on
just the front wheels....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM, DAVID GROPPER <kk7ss at verizon.net> wrote:

> Any vehicle will swap ends when the back can go faster than the front!
>
> Just watch a semi 'jack-knife' when braking on ice or in heavy rain.!
>
> Under braking, the weight transfers to the front, the back goes light,
> loses traction, and wants to overtake the front.
>
> Dave G.
> (sent from a web site)
You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net

http://www.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets 

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 19:55:09 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:55:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>

> That's why FWD cars make lousy racecars since the same end takes care of the
> steering and accelerating.

Now if you would just explain that to the Mini drivers for me.... They
don't seem to have read that bit.
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 19:56:59 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:56:59 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 10/10 SOS at Flounders
Message-ID: <402188520910041856l679350c9l43854f96bf2da713@mail.gmail.com>

Less than a week to go! Did we ever sort out a hammer drill and the
5/8" and 7/8" concrete bits to make the holes? I do not have access to
any of these at this time.
David L

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 20:08:05 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:08:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Great post - Re: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New
 Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <B55777E6-75D5-40E0-AEB4-F16CEA652568@phillymgclub.com>
References: <813377.35925.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B55777E6-75D5-40E0-AEB4-F16CEA652568@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <4AC95505.3000705@comcast.net>

Larry Macy wrote:
>
> This will be Theresa's first time to see Bruce, and she grew up in NJ.
>
>   
I remember that Soave/Macy Springsteen show.
Larry said he would and DID wear his bell bottoms.
I bet he can't get them snapped these days ;)

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  4 20:29:47 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:29:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
	<402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>

Imagine what they could do if they were RWD.

Maximum acceleration comes from between 5% and 10% tire slip.  Since this 
means you have exceeded 100% traction, you really have nothing left for side 
traction.  Now, since, ideally, you start accelerating just before the apex, 
FWD and ideal acceleration out of a corner don't mix well.

Sorry, David, you need to beat them in some other way.  Maybe your 
competition has a hotrod Mini like Peter's?

Suzuka F1 race is on Speed Channel starting right now.



--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:55 PM
To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>; "Spridgets" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

> That's why FWD cars make lousy racecars since the same end takes care of 
> the
> steering and accelerating.

Now if you would just explain that to the Mini drivers for me.... They
don't seem to have read that bit.
David L 

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 20:34:59 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:34:59 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
	<402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>
Message-ID: <402188520910041934h6fb8bf0bqc1506f4f91bdb793@mail.gmail.com>

> Imagine what they could do if they were RWD.

Too bad no one ever got around to homologating a twin-engine AWD Mini?
David L

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct  4 20:35:21 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:35:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Great post - Re: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New
 Bugeye Group
In-Reply-To: <4AC95505.3000705@comcast.net>
References: <813377.35925.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B55777E6-75D5-40E0-AEB4-F16CEA652568@phillymgclub.com>
	<4AC95505.3000705@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0522CA74-987E-48CB-9A8F-FDFE89666061@phillymgclub.com>

Well I can, but only if I am not wearing them.

I still have a pair of NOS big bell levi's with the original labels  
and tags. If that makes a difference. Might be an eBay fortune, someday.

It is not my fault that Theresa has a hollow leg and eats more than I  
do and I still try to keep up. Or is it that my life became more  
sedate and I still eat as much as I ever did?? Not sure.

Larry

On Oct 4, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Frank wrote:

> Larry Macy wrote:
>>
>> This will be Theresa's first time to see Bruce, and she grew up in  
>> NJ.
>>
>>
> I remember that Soave/Macy Springsteen show.
> Larry said he would and DID wear his bell bottoms.
> I bet he can't get them snapped these days ;)
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
>

-- 

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club


"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of  
arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in  
sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally  
worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 21:09:39 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:09:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <402188520910041934h6fb8bf0bqc1506f4f91bdb793@mail.gmail.com>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
	<402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>
	<402188520910041934h6fb8bf0bqc1506f4f91bdb793@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC96373.8000901@comcast.net>

David Lieb wrote:
>> Imagine what they could do if they were RWD.
>>     
>
> Too bad no one ever got around to homologating a twin-engine AWD Mini?
>
>   
Oh but they did. I think they wanted to use them for the military, all 
wheel drive Minis.
And I did see one at the mini meet in 1995.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From peter at nosimport.com  Sun Oct  4 21:18:37 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:18:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
	<402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>
Message-ID: <200910042018378.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

At 09:29 PM 10/4/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Imagine what they could do if they were RWD.

Like that yellow Unipower that races VSCDA?

http://www.sussexsportscars.co.uk/detail.php?stock_id=681

I have his spare slave pushrod in my Mini, and it's been running flawlessly.

Peter 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  4 21:29:20 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <200910042018378.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
	<402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>
	<200910042018378.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <E44D935724664AE1BA41E09096B24CEA@HomePC>

Yeah, that thing is cool.  And quick.  Peter, do you have any idea what that 
thing weighs?  He seems to be real quick.

Seems to be pretty expensive, too.  Story of my life -- everything I like is 
expensive.

LAD

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Peter Caldwell" <peter at nosimport.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:18 PM
To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>; "David Lieb" 
<72spridget at gmail.com>; "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

At 09:29 PM 10/4/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Imagine what they could do if they were RWD.

Like that yellow Unipower that races VSCDA?

http://www.sussexsportscars.co.uk/detail.php?stock_id=681

I have his spare slave pushrod in my Mini, and it's been running flawlessly.

Peter 

From peter at nosimport.com  Sun Oct  4 21:37:39 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:37:39 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <E44D935724664AE1BA41E09096B24CEA@HomePC>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
	<402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C42FEF0949634676805E38783A05E294@HomePC>
	<200910042018378.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
	<E44D935724664AE1BA41E09096B24CEA@HomePC>
Message-ID: <200910042037316.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Oh, and while you're looking at the Sussex site, click on Nissan.  I 
LOVE Figaros. Saw some in London.

         Peter
=
At 10:29 PM 10/4/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Yeah, that thing is cool.  And quick.  Peter, do you have any idea what that
>thing weighs?  He seems to be real quick.
>
>Seems to be pretty expensive, too.  Story of my life -- everything I like is
>expensive.
>
>LAD
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Peter Caldwell" <peter at nosimport.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:18 PM
>To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>; "David Lieb"
><72spridget at gmail.com>; "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
>
>At 09:29 PM 10/4/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
> >Imagine what they could do if they were RWD.
>
>Like that yellow Unipower that races VSCDA?
>
>http://www.sussexsportscars.co.uk/detail.php?stock_id=681
>
>I have his spare slave pushrod in my Mini, and it's been running flawlessly.
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2414 - Release Date: 
>10/04/09 18:42:00

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  4 21:52:10 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:52:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <200910042037316.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
	<1490207BD4574BFEABCF1E38C3CE5D1A@HomePC>
	<402188520910041855y6000aa48vbbcc1bd31981a8e4@mail.gmail.com>
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	<200910042018378.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
	<E44D935724664AE1BA41E09096B24CEA@HomePC>
	<200910042037316.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <4EBE11F5F7AA4678B19612FC7911AD1E@HomePC>

I saw a bunch of pics of a micro-car show -- somewhere in New England, as I 
recall.  They had a Figaro there.  Very cool.  I'll see if I can find the 
site again.  Lots of really cool cars.

Don't forget, there is that world class micro-car show in Chicago next year. 
Your Mini will fit.  My Ute would, too, if only I could convince them that 
the motor is just a few inches smaller.  Maybe I can get special 
dispensation since there aren't any others just like it in the country. 
Worth a try.

Larry

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Peter Caldwell" <peter at nosimport.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:37 PM
To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>; "Spridgets" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

Oh, and while you're looking at the Sussex site, click on Nissan.  I
LOVE Figaros. Saw some in London.

         Peter
=
At 10:29 PM 10/4/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Yeah, that thing is cool.  And quick.  Peter, do you have any idea what 
>that
>thing weighs?  He seems to be real quick.
>
>Seems to be pretty expensive, too.  Story of my life -- everything I like 
>is
>expensive.
>
>LAD
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Peter Caldwell" <peter at nosimport.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:18 PM
>To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>; "David Lieb"
><72spridget at gmail.com>; "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
>
>At 09:29 PM 10/4/2009, Larry Daniels wrote:
> >Imagine what they could do if they were RWD.
>
>Like that yellow Unipower that races VSCDA?
>
>http://www.sussexsportscars.co.uk/detail.php?stock_id=681
>
>I have his spare slave pushrod in my Mini, and it's been running 
>flawlessly.
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2414 - Release Date:
>10/04/09 18:42:00 

From rdgard at cox.net  Sun Oct  4 22:39:22 2009
From: rdgard at cox.net (Bob Gardner)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:39:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
Message-ID: <BDA4DAF152064E3ABA6F92A03E90A323@internetpc>

I haven't been able to send to this list,  did this get to anyone?
 
Bob
 
Robert D. Gardner
 
Gardner Productions LLC
Film and Video Production since 1978
619-460-1000
www.gardnerproductions.com <http://www.gardnerproductions.com/> 

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct  4 23:08:40 2009
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:08:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <BDA4DAF152064E3ABA6F92A03E90A323@internetpc>
References: <BDA4DAF152064E3ABA6F92A03E90A323@internetpc>
Message-ID: <1584612346.20091004220840@pacifier.com>

Hello Bob,

     Nobody got it, no matter what they SAY. .. try it again

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
      * "Mmmmmm mmmmmmm," Tom gagged.

From grday at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 03:14:45 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:14:45 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
References: <402188520910041453g49fed38dp31aa2507d65236eb@mail.gmail.com><441942.74256.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910041748j39e041dbrde98dad9c2fb9835@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28A9EBD63D404ED1828CFA2757D0658F@dell330>

Get a normal car on a normal road to produce 1.5g lateral force and I'll 
tell you.  Just because your coffee slurps over the edge of the container 
doesn't mean you have 1.5g. <smile>

Semis have their own rules and dual rotational centres and US semi braking 
systems would fail a UK test.  I had a seminar to attend in South Africa and 
one of the guys presenting talked about USA and Canadian semis overturning 
during cornering which, of course, was a pre-curser to the braking lecture. 
The braking lecture fell on deaf ears as only the USA influenced delegates 
could follow the reasoning behind the maths.

I've watched several but only driven in one jack-knife incident and 
thankfully that had a very large run-off area.  I don't want to do that 
again <shiver>.  Thankfully, ABS systems cover most situations nowadays.

Guy R Day



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
To: "DAVID GROPPER" <kk7ss at verizon.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade


> And no one has yet mentioned the situation when braking during a
> corner....   There are some lateral forces involved there. Would that make 
> a
> difference? I'm not about to try it to find out!  Imagine a hard left 
> corner
> with a lateral g load of about 1.5 G...  Now imagine slamming on brakes on
> just the front wheels....
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM, DAVID GROPPER <kk7ss at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Any vehicle will swap ends when the back can go faster than the front!
>>
>> Just watch a semi 'jack-knife' when braking on ice or in heavy rain.!
>>
>> Under braking, the weight transfers to the front, the back goes light,
>> loses traction, and wants to overtake the front.
>>
>> Dave G.
>> (sent from a web site)
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From cfchrist at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  5 04:06:11 2009
From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:06:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Spridgets] Great post - Re: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New
 Bugeye Group
Message-ID: <7584550.1254737171792.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

kristi is HOW OLD!   33?   is that your daughter who picked you up in breinigsville during the midget's transmission transplant?   your little girl?  eeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!   i'm feeling very old right about now....

chuck.

From cfchrist at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  5 04:06:12 2009
From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:06:12 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Spridgets] Great post - Re: Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New
 Bugeye Group
Message-ID: <7337544.1254737172362.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

kristi is HOW OLD!   33?   is that your daughter who picked you up in breinigsville during the midget's transmission transplant?   your little girl?  eeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!   i'm feeling very old right about now....

chuck.

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 05:49:37 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:49:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <28A9EBD63D404ED1828CFA2757D0658F@dell330>
Message-ID: <527185.95975.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Guy R Day <grday at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Semis have their own rules and dual rotational centres and

Exactly. When a trailer starts to jacknife, you hit the emergency bar and lock the rear wheels intentionally. On a race car, you dial in the brakes by starting with severe front bias, and dial it backwards until the tail gets unstable, and go back a notch towards front.

Ron

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct  5 06:23:12 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:23:12 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910041721w5727471ctf8f06b5f45194744@mail.gmail.com>
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I do hope that you'll forgive me.  My computer at home "sort of" died and I
couldn't access my email.  Some of it is temporarily lost as the computer
continued to receive email but the screen died.  I'll try to figure out a
backup system so that I don't disappoint you again.  :)  I can plug it into
the TV, I assume, depending on what part of the computer went south.

> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:21:14 -0700
>
> He couldn't get out of his 'leathers' and chains fast enough....
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Larry Daniels
<ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > Horler wrote about S&M, too?
> >
> > Duquette, you're slipping. Normally you would have gotten that one first.

From grday at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 07:02:31 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:02:31 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
References: <527185.95975.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2FB014FE15CC4B99A3199BB35C8C6AC9@dell330>

What we have learned about SPRIDGETS.
A summary of  'Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade'  - but it wasn't brake
fade anyway, it was a loss of fluid pressure  (ROTFLMAO !!!) )

The front end steers and brakes a lot.
The back end tries to follow the front but accelerates and brakes a bit.
There is a nearly rigid bit in the middle between the front and back which
allows weight transfer.
Problems arise when all these things doesn't happen. <LOL>


Guy R Day




Ron,
You can't do that with a UK artic braking system; it is built so you cannot
isolate the trailer brakes from the cab.  It shouldn't be done because it
encourages the jacknife to continue - it is that counter-intuitive thing.  If
the trailer wheels are rolling it will have a chance at straightening, if they
are locked it has no chance.  Look up papers from Prof. Frank NAVIN (et al)
from Columbia (?) University, he spells the math out fairly nicely.
In race car competition when the back end overtakes the front I've found it is
a little too late to play with brake balance lever and when I was in a
jacknife I released all braking, accelerated (for what it was worth) and
steered out straight after a couple of wobbles.   OOhhh Panic    LOL


All the best

Guy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade


> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Guy R Day <grday at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Semis have their own rules and dual rotational centres and
>
> Exactly. When a trailer starts to jacknife, you hit the emergency bar and
lock the rear wheels intentionally. On a race car, you dial in the brakes by
starting with severe front bias, and dial it backwards until the tail gets
unstable, and go back a notch towards front.
>
> Ron
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 07:19:17 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:19:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <2FB014FE15CC4B99A3199BB35C8C6AC9@dell330>
Message-ID: <47204.51810.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Umm...just to be clear...the brake dialing on the race car is done between
stops, not during ;-O

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Guy R Day <grday at btinternet.com> wrote:
> In race car
> competition when the back end
> overtakes the front I've found it is a little too
> late to play with brake
> balance lever
>  Guy

From rdgard at cox.net  Mon Oct  5 10:28:00 2009
From: rdgard at cox.net (Bob Gardner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:28:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Age and brakes
Message-ID: <0721195DD99B49AAA9F3B440FB016897@internetpc>

[Bob Gardner]   


For the record, I am
19.....................................................................Celsi
us

With thanks to George Carlin!

 
By the way, I was in a race and early on, my brakes were fading some.  I
really had to stand on them to keep up.  Couldn't figure it out.  No other
symptoms just had to stand on them.  After the race I pulled the rear drums
and found that oil had leaked on both sides.  So, basically, no rear brakes
and no tendency to swap ends, just did not stop as well.
 
Cheers,
 
Bob in San Diego


Robert D. Gardner

Gardner Productions LLC
Film and Video Production since 1978
619-460-1000
www.gardnerproductions.com

[Bob Gardner]   

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 10:43:04 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:43:04 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <c0d.5feaf2ae.37fb7c18@aol.com>

It might be, though I prefer RWD.
 
In a message dated 04/10/2009 23:18:45 GMT Daylight Time,  
72spridget at gmail.com writes:

> Try  it with a rubber band on the front wheels and slowly drag it foward  
and
>  it's stable.  Put the rubber band on the rear wheels  and slowly drag it
> foward and it swaps ends.

I thought that was  the argument for FWD...
David L

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 10:44:59 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:44:59 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <cdf.594e582f.37fb7c8b@aol.com>

That's the neatest and shortest explanation and I like it.  
 
In a message dated 05/10/2009 01:50:09 GMT Daylight Time,  
grday at btinternet.com writes:

The  locked wheels will always try to lead.

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 10:47:01 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:47:01 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <ceb.65ba0b25.37fb7d05@aol.com>

I don't think you'll reach that higher a lateral load on road tyres in a  
Spridget.  Front wheels with no traction (locked or wheel spinning) go  
straight ahead while rear wheels with no traction (locked or wheel spinning)  
will want to lead and the car will commence a spin.
 
 
In a message dated 05/10/2009 02:05:09 GMT Daylight Time,  
bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:

with a  lateral g load of about 1.5 G

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 10:50:13 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:50:13 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <cd4.57b350e2.37fb7dc5@aol.com>

Or if they were raced in reverse?  In fact Alan Stanniforth did use a  mini 
engine/box/diff for his rear wheel drive lo-cost racing car - the  
Terrapin.  His self built car went on to claim a number of world speed  records.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 05/10/2009 03:52:26 GMT Daylight Time,  
ladaniels at sbcglobal.net writes:

Imagine  what they could do if they were RWD.

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 10:50:45 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:50:45 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <ce4.5e971529.37fb7de5@aol.com>

Citreon did it with the 2CV.
 
In a message dated 05/10/2009 03:52:37 GMT Daylight Time,  
72spridget at gmail.com writes:

Too bad  no one ever got around to homologating a twin-engine AWD Mini?
David  L

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 10:53:07 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:53:07 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
Message-ID: <c18.64835af0.37fb7e73@aol.com>

Then you wait for a wet day and do it all again.
 
In a message dated 05/10/2009 13:05:01 GMT Daylight Time, soavero at yahoo.com 
 writes:

On a  race car, you dial in the brakes by starting with severe front bias, 
and dial  it backwards until the tail gets unstable, and go back a notch 
towards  front.

Ron

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:58:06 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
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References: <ce4.5e971529.37fb7de5@aol.com>
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> Citreon did it with the 2CV.

Yes, the Sahara, IIRC. But that was not a Mini.

The Unipower referenced above by Peter was a small fiberglass car with
a Mini engine and transmission installed in the rear. Looks like a
blast to drive!

But my point was that no one seems to have gotten a twin-engine Mini
homologated for racing.
David L

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Mon Oct  5 11:13:58 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:13:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Ramones & LBC
Message-ID: <C6EF7766.211DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

I drove from Orange County up to L.A. on Saturday for the annual Johnny
Ramone Tribute. The drive took just over two hours up, and about forty
minutes for the return.
On the way up I spent about half an hour next to a U-haul truck towing a
red, RWA Midget on a trailer. I couldn't manage to make eye contact with the
driver since I was on his right and lane changing was impossible at 3mph.
Would any of you have rented a truck from U-haul?
BZ

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 12:58:04 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Ramones & LBC
In-Reply-To: <C6EF7766.211DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6EF7766.211DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <271080.20011.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If it was a U-Haul Trailer, whoever it was had to fibb about what they were
going to be hauling...  

Just an FYI on the subject (Frank let me in on way
back when I hauled my Midget home from its Joisey rebirthplace): When renting
a U-Haul trailer, tell them you're going to haul a Miata or anything else BUT
a Spridget.  They think Spridgets won't fit and will not rent it to you if
that's what you tell them.  They barely fit (inner sidewalls touch the inside
lip of the platforms), but they do fit, if a bit on the snug side.

 - David
Booker
Long Island
'71 ex-Frank project Midget

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 12:58:33 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
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Daniel,

Just using the math here....  Where am I going wrong....

Quote from

http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=704

**Lateral g-force = 1.22 * radius of track / (lap time * lap time)

Make sure radius is in feet, and time is in seconds. The number you are left
with is your maximum lateral g-force.**

Given a corner radius of 100 feet with, say, 10 seconds around the corner -
I get:

G = 1.22*100/(10*10)  =  1.2 Gs

Ergo, 1.5 Gs is not an unreasonable value.

Now... I admit I haven't actually timed a Spridget around a 100 foot radius
circle so I don't know if that time is reasonable or not.  10 seconds might
be too short a lap time. If so, lateral G would go under 1.   However...
it seems at least mathematically reasonable.

Such a circle has a circumference of C = pie*D = 3.14*200' = 628 ft.
Navigating that distance in 10 seconds we get 62.8 ft / sec which comes to
42.8 mph.  Is that possible?  I don't know but I'm willing to bet Frank
could do it in the Speedwell Sprite   ;-)

Anyway, its an interesting engineering problem.  I also suspect that
instantaneous lateral G force during the lap might vary significantly. There
may actually be times when the vehicle experiences an instantaneous lateral
G somewhat higher and somewhat lower??

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:47 AM, <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com> wrote:

>  I don't think you'll reach that higher a lateral load on road tyres in a
> Spridget.  Front wheels with no traction (locked or wheel spinning) go
> straight ahead while rear wheels with no traction (locked or wheel
spinning)
> will want to lead and the car will commence a spin.
>
>
> In a message dated 05/10/2009 02:05:09 GMT Daylight Time,
> bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:
>
> with a lateral g load of about 1.5 G
>
>
>



--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 13:58:56 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:58:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051158k728666a4pc506026b7992458b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ceb.65ba0b25.37fb7d05@aol.com>
	<43840a7e0910051158k728666a4pc506026b7992458b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <473405.40387.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jim Johnson wrote: "There may actually be times when the vehicle experiences
an instantaneous lateral
G somewhat higher and somewhat lower??"

You might
instantaneously get a somewhat higher number if you encountered a curb or
guardrail in your travels.  Conversely, a patch of oil or dirt or gravel could
instantaneously lower your lateral G reading significantly.  Until of course
you reach the aforementioned curb or guardrail...

Just trying to be helpful.
 - David Booker
Long Island

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 14:09:44 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051158k728666a4pc506026b7992458b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <812517.11481.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, its an interesting engineering problem.  

There was a "Classic Motorsport" issue a while back that had Brian Redman in a Porsche 917 or Chevron B or similar and also in a race prepped Sprite on the track. I think it had all the G-force data for the Sprite. Anyone have it handy? I would be stunned if a street Sprite got anywhere near 1G. When the g-forces are instantaneous, that is what engineers like to call "shock". We just call it "expensive". 

Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 14:27:51 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:27:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets]  Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
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	<43840a7e0910051327g6688bb5ckf819ca3f3467df92@mail.gmail.com>
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Actually, I was thinking of such variables as steering and tire traction.
Who steers in a perfect circle?  Turning the wheels even briefly inward
toward the curve (brief turning adjustment) will increase lateral G
momentarily. This stuff is always more complicated than we make it. It is
definitely non-linear. Same with tire traction. Slip lowers lateral G
momentarily, lateral G increases momentarily when the traction increases
again.

Recently there was a discussion on G forces involved in braking or
accidents. The G numbers for a 25 mph impact is incredibly high but it is
instantaneous and not a sustained G so we feel it as a jolt and not a
constant force. I guess what I'm asking here is whether there are sudden
little lateral jerks during cornering which increase the instantaneous G
load however briefly to values as high as 1.5 Gs. It seems logical both
conceptually and mathematically that that could be the case.....

Cheers!!
Jim


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:58 PM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Jim Johnson wrote: "There may actually be times when the vehicle
> experiences an instantaneous lateral
> G somewhat higher and somewhat lower??"
>
> You might instantaneously get a somewhat higher number if you encountered a
> curb or guardrail in your travels.  Conversely, a patch of oil or dirt or
> gravel could instantaneously lower your lateral G reading significantly.
> Until of course you reach the aforementioned curb or guardrail...
>
> Just trying to be helpful.
>  - David Booker
> Long Island
>
>
>


--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein



--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  5 14:42:42 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:42:42 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051158k728666a4pc506026b7992458b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ceb.65ba0b25.37fb7d05@aol.com>
	<43840a7e0910051158k728666a4pc506026b7992458b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A5E7A55814E4803B35A387872DEA441@HomePC>

Jim, your formulas are right and your math is not flawed, so your error must 
be in your assumption of 10 second lap times.  I assume you pulled that out 
of the air?

There are very few street cars on street tires that can crack 1G.  A 40 or 
50 year old Spridget won't even come close.

LAD

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:58 PM
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade

Daniel,

Just using the math here....  Where am I going wrong....

Quote from

http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=704

**Lateral g-force = 1.22 * radius of track / (lap time * lap time)

Make sure radius is in feet, and time is in seconds. The number you are left
with is your maximum lateral g-force.**

Given a corner radius of 100 feet with, say, 10 seconds around the corner -
I get:

G = 1.22*100/(10*10)  =  1.2 Gs

Ergo, 1.5 Gs is not an unreasonable value.

Now... I admit I haven't actually timed a Spridget around a 100 foot radius
circle so I don't know if that time is reasonable or not.  10 seconds might
be too short a lap time. If so, lateral G would go under 1.   However...
it seems at least mathematically reasonable.

Such a circle has a circumference of C = pie*D = 3.14*200' = 628 ft.
Navigating that distance in 10 seconds we get 62.8 ft / sec which comes to
42.8 mph.  Is that possible?  I don't know but I'm willing to bet Frank
could do it in the Speedwell Sprite   ;-)

Anyway, its an interesting engineering problem.  I also suspect that
instantaneous lateral G force during the lap might vary significantly. There
may actually be times when the vehicle experiences an instantaneous lateral
G somewhat higher and somewhat lower??

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:47 AM, <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com> wrote:

>  I don't think you'll reach that higher a lateral load on road tyres in a
> Spridget.  Front wheels with no traction (locked or wheel spinning) go
> straight ahead while rear wheels with no traction (locked or wheel
spinning)
> will want to lead and the car will commence a spin.
>
>
> In a message dated 05/10/2009 02:05:09 GMT Daylight Time,
> bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:
>
> with a lateral g load of about 1.5 G
>
>
>



--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 14:59:48 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:59:48 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <812517.11481.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051158k728666a4pc506026b7992458b@mail.gmail.com>
	<812517.11481.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910051359n6da5e0a9r834a19bdfb0d3101@mail.gmail.com>

Ron & Daniel,

In Daniels test description in the roundabout, I believe what the meter was
measuring was "average G". A meter which could measure "instantaneous G"
would be very expensive if it even exists.  I guess I'm talking theoretical
here.  Too many years of dealing with theoretical sciences and math   ;-)
This is really a scaling discussion.

Ron will certainly understand the non-linear dynamics of forces acting on
this scale. I'm just hypothesizing that "instantaneous lateral G" is capable
of being greater than 1 G. Tire traction not withstanding.

When we bring tire traction into the equation we would also have to look at
surface interface conditions - different road surfaces - different traction
limits  ;-) I suspect that published lateral G ratings for tires are also
"average" and not instantaneous.

Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall into the realm of
turbulence, yes?

Von Karman said it best; "After I die I expect God to clarify general field
theory for me. I have no such hope for turbulence."

Fun to speculate.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyway, its an interesting engineering problem.
>
> There was a "Classic Motorsport" issue a while back that had Brian Redman
> in a Porsche 917 or Chevron B or similar and also in a race prepped Sprite
> on the track. I think it had all the G-force data for the Sprite. Anyone
> have it handy? I would be stunned if a street Sprite got anywhere near 1G.
> When the g-forces are instantaneous, that is what engineers like to call
> "shock". We just call it "expensive".
>
> Ron
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sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From jfishbein at snet.net  Mon Oct  5 15:00:22 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051327j7d2d98e4j69cc426390158192@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <384039.96658.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately the answer is yes. They're everywhere.

jay

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

I guess what I'm asking here is whether there are sudden little lateral jerks ....

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Mon Oct  5 15:25:22 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:25:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051327j7d2d98e4j69cc426390158192@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ceb.65ba0b25.37fb7d05@aol.com>,
	<43840a7e0910051327g6688bb5ckf819ca3f3467df92@mail.gmail.com>,
	<43840a7e0910051327j7d2d98e4j69cc426390158192@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACA6442.24567.21B74D@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Re: G-Forces...

At one stage in my nefarious life, I was repairing and calibrating 
aicraft gyroscope instruments - artificial horizons and compasses.
We started having a run of returned units.
Transportation in the laboratory was always by hand and in specially 
designed containers.
An expensive and long inverstigation showed that a technician, 
bumping the carrying case into a bench surface at a 3 mph walking 
pace could cause an instantaneous G-force of over 800G on the 
gyroscope spindles. Thus Brinelling the bearing surface and ruining 
the calibration...
Hand transportation was replaced with a conveyor belt system.

Anything is possible if we include 'instantaneous' or short-term 
events and/or forces.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 15:34:34 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:34:34 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <384039.96658.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051327j7d2d98e4j69cc426390158192@mail.gmail.com>
	<384039.96658.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910051434u39bd7ff7w5a39a06126fae56d@mail.gmail.com>

Left myself wide open for that one, didn't I.   ;-)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> Unfortunately the answer is yes. They're everywhere.
>
> jay
>
> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I guess what I'm asking here is whether there are sudden little lateral
> jerks ....

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Mon Oct  5 15:42:07 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:42:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <8A5E7A55814E4803B35A387872DEA441@HomePC>
References: <ceb.65ba0b25.37fb7d05@aol.com>
	<43840a7e0910051158k728666a4pc506026b7992458b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A5E7A55814E4803B35A387872DEA441@HomePC>
Message-ID: <931B9856E3704799912D4C81F71B88C9@Home>

> There are very few street cars on street tires that can crack 1G.  A 40 or
> 50 year old Spridget won't even come close.

A few months ago when I was just learning my car, I rounded an on-ramp at 
what seemed to be a respectable speed for an unmodified Spridget.  The car 
was struggling a bit (it turned out one of my swaybar links was broken), and 
I was sliding a little in my seat as I have no shoulder harness, but all 
tires were firmly and quietly on the road.

In front of me was a standard, white trades van.  As I struggled around the 
turn, the trades van pulled away from me!

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite
Long Island, NY 

From lbc at littlebitcountry.com  Mon Oct  5 16:07:01 2009
From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:07:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <384039.96658.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051327j7d2d98e4j69cc426390158192@mail.gmail.com>
	<384039.96658.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200910052205.n95M5c02013044@mail.usimperio.com>

My question is..............

Did whoever started this thread get his brake fade problem fixed ????

Dave


At 05:00 PM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
>Unfortunately the answer is yes. They're everywhere.
>
>jay
>
>--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I guess what I'm asking here is whether there are sudden little 
>lateral jerks ....

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 16:29:24 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051359n6da5e0a9r834a19bdfb0d3101@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
> into the realm of turbulence, yes?

Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely rapid acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a variant of impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also  you can think of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in acceleration with time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which is truly defined (and GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".

Let the pigeons loose,
Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:52:22 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:52:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <200910052205.n95M5c02013044@mail.usimperio.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051327j7d2d98e4j69cc426390158192@mail.gmail.com>
	<384039.96658.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<200910052205.n95M5c02013044@mail.usimperio.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910051552ja1f32b8yf69deec93660279b@mail.gmail.com>

Well, at least it WAS a Spridget thread....   ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Dave Yealy <lbc at littlebitcountry.com> wrote:

> My question is..............
>
> Did whoever started this thread get his brake fade problem fixed ????
>
> Dave
>
>
> At 05:00 PM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the answer is yes. They're everywhere.
>>
>> jay
>>
>> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I guess what I'm asking here is whether there are sudden little lateral
>> jerks ....
>>
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Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From jfishbein at snet.net  Mon Oct  5 16:57:50 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <960994.39977.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I can see this is going to be a long winter.

Jay Fishbein
Wallingford, CT

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
To: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 6:29 PM

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
> into the realm of turbulence, yes?

Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely rapid
acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a variant of
impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also  you can think
of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in acceleration with
time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which is truly defined (and
GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".

Let the pigeons loose,
Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 17:03:52 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:03:52 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051359n6da5e0a9r834a19bdfb0d3101@mail.gmail.com>
	<145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910051603r7b6e81d9y1802ac377dff06b0@mail.gmail.com>

Yup. I remember all that from the dark dusty days of engineering physics.
However, the body undergoing centripetal acceleration is not undergoing an
even acceleration....  You have to get into partials to really describe the
scale of motion I'm talking about. You know... frame of reference is now
"inside" the car, not viewing it from the outside of the system?
Surely those moments would be non-linear, eh? Partials would describe the
very very small accelerations. This is probably an eulerian vs lagrangian
argument...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
> > into the realm of turbulence, yes?
>
> Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely rapid
> acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a variant
of
> impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also  you can
think
> of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in acceleration with
> time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which is truly defined
> (and GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".
>
> Let the pigeons loose,
> Ron
>
>
>
>


--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  5 17:16:38 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D34BCC00BD4842C98929AFF22579EC64@HomePC>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:29 PM
To: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
> into the realm of turbulence, yes?

Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely rapid 
acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a variant of 
impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also  you can think 
of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in acceleration with 
time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which is truly defined 
(and GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".

Let the pigeons loose,
Ron
_______________________________________________



OK, just give me a second to plug in my Soave-to-English translator.

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 17:25:51 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051603r7b6e81d9y1802ac377dff06b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051359n6da5e0a9r834a19bdfb0d3101@mail.gmail.com>
	<145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910051603r7b6e81d9y1802ac377dff06b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910051625v4d46f119kb4cae9020406a3c4@mail.gmail.com>

When I said "very,very small accelerations" I wasn't talking about Scalar
values of but Vector values....   My bad...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yup. I remember all that from the dark dusty days of engineering physics.
> However, the body undergoing centripetal acceleration is not undergoing an
> even acceleration....  You have to get into partials to really describe the
> scale of motion I'm talking about. You know... frame of reference is now
> "inside" the car, not viewing it from the outside of the system?
> Surely those moments would be non-linear, eh? Partials would describe the
> very very small accelerations. This is probably an eulerian vs lagrangian
> argument...
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
>> > into the realm of turbulence, yes?
>>
>> Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely
>> rapid acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a
>> variant of impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also
>>  you can think of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in
>> acceleration with time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which
>> is truly defined (and GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".
>>
>> Let the pigeons loose,
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!!
> Jim
> Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
> not
> sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
>



--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From jfishbein at snet.net  Mon Oct  5 17:34:51 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051603r7b6e81d9y1802ac377dff06b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <301068.60937.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

For those standing on the sidelines who want to participate but feel
inhibited, use this link: http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html

No need to thank me, I matrix and maximize vertical extensible users all the
time.

Jay Fishbein
Walllingford, CT


--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
To: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 7:03 PM

Yup. I remember all that from the dark dusty days of engineering physics.
However, the body undergoing centripetal acceleration is not undergoing an
even acceleration....  You have to get into partials to really describe the
scale of motion I'm talking about. You know... frame of reference is now
"inside" the car, not viewing it from the outside of the system?
Surely those moments would be non-linear, eh? Partials would describe the
very very small accelerations. This is probably an eulerian vs lagrangian
argument...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
> > into the realm of turbulence, yes?
>
> Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely rapid
> acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a variant
of
> impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also  you can
think
> of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in acceleration with
> time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which is truly defined
> (and GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".
>
> Let the pigeons loose,
> Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 17:57:49 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:57:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <301068.60937.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051603r7b6e81d9y1802ac377dff06b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<301068.60937.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910051657r259bce65g53a057b2937e19b9@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmmm...    Apparently not everyone took Fluid Dynamics and Dif. Eq....
What do you think Ron?  Should we dumb it down for the unwashed masses?  ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> For those standing on the sidelines who want to participate but feel
> inhibited, use this link: http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html
>
> No need to thank me, I matrix and maximize vertical extensible users all
> the
> time.
>
> Jay Fishbein
> Walllingford, CT
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
> To: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 7:03 PM
>
> Yup. I remember all that from the dark dusty days of engineering physics.
> However, the body undergoing centripetal acceleration is not undergoing an
> even acceleration....  You have to get into partials to really describe the
> scale of motion I'm talking about. You know... frame of reference is now
> "inside" the car, not viewing it from the outside of the system?
> Surely those moments would be non-linear, eh? Partials would describe the
> very very small accelerations. This is probably an eulerian vs lagrangian
> argument...
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
> > > into the realm of turbulence, yes?
> >
> > Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely
> rapid
> > acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a variant
> of
> > impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also  you can
> think
> > of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in acceleration
> with
> > time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which is truly defined
> > (and GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".
> >
> > Let the pigeons loose,
> > Ron
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From b-evans at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  5 18:11:17 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:11:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
Message-ID: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/features/article6858884.ece 

From frog.aye at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:21:49 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:21:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Ramones & LBC
In-Reply-To: <271080.20011.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C6EF7766.211DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<271080.20011.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4333f8140910051721i3e11ab13g5679c96584c9608c@mail.gmail.com>

When I rented a U-Haul to take FROG AYE to the Buster Cluster I told them
what I was towing and they did not have any problem with that.  So not all U
Haul places think Spridgets don't fit on their trailers (actually mine was a
towing dolly -- front wheels only.
Hal

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If it was a U-Haul Trailer, whoever it was had to fibb about what they were
> going to be hauling...
>
> Just an FYI on the subject (Frank let me in on way
> back when I hauled my Midget home from its Joisey rebirthplace): When
> renting
> a U-Haul trailer, tell them you're going to haul a Miata or anything else
> BUT
> a Spridget.  They think Spridgets won't fit and will not rent it to you if
> that's what you tell them.  They barely fit (inner sidewalls touch the
> inside
> lip of the platforms), but they do fit, if a bit on the snug side.
>
>  - David
> Booker
> Long Island
> '71 ex-Frank project Midget
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct  5 18:27:59 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:27:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051657r259bce65g53a057b2937e19b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051603r7b6e81d9y1802ac377dff06b0@mail.gmail.com><301068.60937.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910051657r259bce65g53a057b2937e19b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2138013D399349C89091BE56B87170D3@spider>

Yes, delta-x/delta-t, rather than dx/dt
....bill in oregon
===============================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:58 PM
To: Jay Fishbein
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72

Hmmmm...    Apparently not everyone took Fluid Dynamics and Dif. Eq....
What do you think Ron?  Should we dumb it down for the unwashed masses?  ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> For those standing on the sidelines who want to participate but feel
> inhibited, use this link: http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html
>
> No need to thank me, I matrix and maximize vertical extensible users all
> the
> time.
>
> Jay Fishbein
> Walllingford, CT

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct  5 18:28:19 2009
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <301068.60937.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051603r7b6e81d9y1802ac377dff06b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<301068.60937.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130910051728n74551dcfgbbaf598e9ad99b0c@mail.gmail.com>

Jay,
     Thanks for that link.  It's the funniest site I have seen in a long
time.  And useful too!  You guys have me laughing so hard I got tears in my
eyes.  As usual, Jay is the voice of reason, or is THAT bullshit?
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
56 BN2

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> For those standing on the sidelines who want to participate but feel
> inhibited, use this link: http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html
>
> No need to thank me, I matrix and maximize vertical extensible users all
> the
> time.
>
> Jay Fishbein
> Walllingford, CT
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
> To: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 7:03 PM
>
> Yup. I remember all that from the dark dusty days of engineering physics.
> However, the body undergoing centripetal acceleration is not undergoing an
> even acceleration....  You have to get into partials to really describe the
> scale of motion I'm talking about. You know... frame of reference is now
> "inside" the car, not viewing it from the outside of the system?
> Surely those moments would be non-linear, eh? Partials would describe the
> very very small accelerations. This is probably an eulerian vs lagrangian
> argument...
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ron - instantaneous or "Shock" forces should fall
> > > into the realm of turbulence, yes?
> >
> > Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an extremely
> rapid
> > acceleration or deceleration. In another definition, it is also a variant
> of
> > impact (force delivered over time as time goes to zero). Also  you can
> think
> > of it as the first derivative of acceleration (change in acceleration
> with
> > time) or third derivative of position (d^3X/dT^2), which is truly defined
> > (and GOD it pains me to type this) as a "jerk".
> >
> > Let the pigeons loose,
> > Ron
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 18:30:09 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:30:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910051657r259bce65g53a057b2937e19b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <805830.54631.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you
think Ron?  Should we dumb it down for the
> unwashed masses?  ;-)

In
reality, to paraphrase Yogi Berra, on the track I don't think and drive at the
same time. I just try to control the corner-after-corner wipe out that is
Spridget driving, and I do it by not locking the rear brakes. But I don't
advocate disabling them - the factory engineers didn't build in a whole lot of
margin.

Let's move on to healthcare or something non-controversial.

Ron

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:35:33 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:35:33 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <960994.39977.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <145211.96428.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<960994.39977.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910051735x4dd15e28u84e5a467d90cdc0b@mail.gmail.com>

> I can see this is going to be a long winter.

Yup, don't even need woolly bear caterpillars for this one!
David L

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct  5 18:52:09 2009
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:52:09 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Ramones & LBC
In-Reply-To: <4333f8140910051721i3e11ab13g5679c96584c9608c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6EF7766.211DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<271080.20011.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4333f8140910051721i3e11ab13g5679c96584c9608c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130910051752w49478d88mfde66174219f04ab@mail.gmail.com>

Oh no!  This is not going to start the dreaded debate on whether to
disconnect the drive shaft when using a tow dolly thread again is it?
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
56 BN2

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Hal Faulkner <frog.aye at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I rented a U-Haul to take FROG AYE to the Buster Cluster I told them
> what I was towing and they did not have any problem with that.  So not all
> U
> Haul places think Spridgets don't fit on their trailers (actually mine was
> a
> towing dolly -- front wheels only.
> Hal
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > If it was a U-Haul Trailer, whoever it was had to fibb about what they
> were
> > going to be hauling...
> >
> > Just an FYI on the subject (Frank let me in on way
> > back when I hauled my Midget home from its Joisey rebirthplace): When
> > renting
> > a U-Haul trailer, tell them you're going to haul a Miata or anything else
> > BUT
> > a Spridget.  They think Spridgets won't fit and will not rent it to you
> if
> > that's what you tell them.  They barely fit (inner sidewalls touch the
> > inside
> > lip of the platforms), but they do fit, if a bit on the snug side.
> >
> >  - David
> > Booker
> > Long Island
> > '71 ex-Frank project Midget
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From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 18:59:02 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:59:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
Message-ID: <914862.20170.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I've long struggled with the question, "If I met up with Jeremy Clarkson,
would I buy him a beer or beat him to death with a baseball bat?"

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:11 PM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/features/article6858884.ece
You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com

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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct  5 19:07:59 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:07:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <805830.54631.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051657r259bce65g53a057b2937e19b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<805830.54631.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3BE9931FFA4C428CAF9EAEE50F26B668@spider>

Spridget driving is more rewarding than racing a 1966 VW Bug. When I'd lose
it, I just looked out the rear window; that's where I was going.
=====================================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:30 PM
To: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you
think Ron?  Should we dumb it down for the
> unwashed masses?  ;-)

In reality, to paraphrase Yogi Berra, on the track I don't think and drive
at the same time. I just try to control the corner-after-corner wipe out
that is Spridget driving, and I do it by not locking the rear brakes. 

But I don't advocate disabling them - the factory engineers didn't build in
a whole lot of margin.

Let's move on to healthcare or something non-controversial.

Ron
_______________________________________________

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Mon Oct  5 19:24:38 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:24:38 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <2138013D399349C89091BE56B87170D3@spider>
Message-ID: <C6EFEA66.21225%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Fluid Dynamics and Dif. Eq..
I know about different EQ.

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 19:38:04 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:38:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
References: <914862.20170.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61FC37196A07426FA2D2FA2E95E436BA@blackbox2>

The "Alabama" Top Gear episode mentioned is available on youtube if anyone is interested.
But it really pissed me off in that it paints a dark picture of America for the
UK audiance.

Yea, I wonder what would happen if I flew to the UK and took an old mini, painted 
it pink and wrote "The IRA is Gay" or other derogatories on it and drove it through Belfast.

I might find myself in similiar scary circumstances.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "HealeyRick" <healeyrick at yahoo.com>

> I've long struggled with the question, "If I met up with Jeremy Clarkson,
> would I buy him a beer or beat him to death with a baseball bat?"
> 
> 
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/features/article6858884.ece
> You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 19:56:03 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:56:03 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <61FC37196A07426FA2D2FA2E95E436BA@blackbox2>
References: <914862.20170.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<61FC37196A07426FA2D2FA2E95E436BA@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <402188520910051856j40f42e50r4686ef613249692b@mail.gmail.com>

> Yea, I wonder what would happen if I flew to the UK and took an old mini,
> painted it pink and wrote "The IRA is Gay" or other derogatories on it and
> drove it through Belfast.

That episode was truly a low point for the show. Since that time, it
has improved markedly. Now that Jemmy is a Sprite owner...
David L

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 20:02:27 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
Message-ID: <348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I saw that one years ago. After the BS they pulled on Tesla, I was rooting for the locals.

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 7:11 PM
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/features/article6858884.ece

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  5 20:10:23 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:10:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash
In-Reply-To: <BF2A390F8760470EAF7B59D987241456@GLEVICKYMAIN>
References: <BF2A390F8760470EAF7B59D987241456@GLEVICKYMAIN>
Message-ID: <03f201ca462a$2a6567e0$7f3037a0$@net>

I have an extra Bugeye dash hanging in the garage.  Would it help if I did a
tracing of all the openings, bolt holes, etc.?

 

Buster Evans

Anaheim CA 

 

From: bugeye at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bugeye at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Glevicky
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:29 PM
To: bugeye at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: TIps on reinstallation of recovered
dash

 

 spridgets at autox.team.net       Mark Glevicky [mmg at cinci.rr.com]

Thanks guys for the good tips on dash reinstall. 

Now, more confusion on my part. This dash was a MKII dash originally and
I'm making it back into a Mk I. I, of course, want to make sure everything
is placed as it should be. So to that end, I looked in the AH Driver's
Handbook (printed in England and says applies to Mk 1 and II) and also cross
checked with the pic in Terry Horler's restorers guide. They don't agree!
The one in the Horler book admittedly is RHD (mine's not), but if I compare
the general layout with what's drawn in the AH Driver's Handbook (for Mk I
RHD) they are not the same. 

Horler's dash, after the tach, shows only the starter, turn signal lever,
and chock across the top (from driver side over). The AH book shows
starter, heater, turn signal lever, Windscreen washer, and choke. 

Across the bottom row in Horler it's heater, ignition/lights, wiper, and
windscreen washer. The AH book shows ignition/lights and wiper. Can anyone
clear this up please?

Second question - I'm also replacing the flasher unit in this car because
the old one has obvious overheat indications The terminal with the dark
green wire has the plastic cover (that covers the wire clip that attaches to
the flasher terminal) completely melted and has a brown burned tint to it.
Any ideas on what would have caused this to happen...before I just put a new
flasher unit in?

Thx, Mark

From frog.aye at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 21:08:31 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:08:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash
In-Reply-To: <03f201ca462a$2a6567e0$7f3037a0$@net>
References: <BF2A390F8760470EAF7B59D987241456@GLEVICKYMAIN>
	<03f201ca462a$2a6567e0$7f3037a0$@net>
Message-ID: <4333f8140910052008o58ad1d20t2bcc2f58afbbd318@mail.gmail.com>

> Horler's dash, after the tach, shows only the starter, turn signal lever,
> and chock across the top (from driver side over).


There are no cats in the Horler book!
Hal

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Mon Oct  5 21:40:17 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:40:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash
References: <BF2A390F8760470EAF7B59D987241456@GLEVICKYMAIN>
	<03f201ca462a$2a6567e0$7f3037a0$@net>
Message-ID: <008101ca4636$ba351620$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

How would it help if you did all the tracings of openings of the dash on the
garage wall?

Just wondering.

Later, Paul A

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Evans" <b-evans at earthlink.net>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <bugeye at yahoogroups.com>; "'MarkGlevicky'"
<mmg at cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash


> I have an extra Bugeye dash hanging in the garage.  Would it help if I did
a
> tracing of all the openings, bolt holes, etc.?
>
>
>
> Buster Evans
>
> Anaheim CA
>
>
>
> From: bugeye at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bugeye at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Mark Glevicky
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:29 PM
> To: bugeye at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: TIps on reinstallation of recovered
> dash
>
>
>
>  spridgets at autox.team.net       Mark Glevicky [mmg at cinci.rr.com]
>
> Thanks guys for the good tips on dash reinstall.
>
> Now, more confusion on my part. This dash was a MKII dash originally and
> I'm making it back into a Mk I. I, of course, want to make sure everything
> is placed as it should be. So to that end, I looked in the AH Driver's
> Handbook (printed in England and says applies to Mk 1 and II) and also
cross
> checked with the pic in Terry Horler's restorers guide. They don't agree!
> The one in the Horler book admittedly is RHD (mine's not), but if I
compare
> the general layout with what's drawn in the AH Driver's Handbook (for Mk I
> RHD) they are not the same.
>
> Horler's dash, after the tach, shows only the starter, turn signal lever,
> and chock across the top (from driver side over). The AH book shows
> starter, heater, turn signal lever, Windscreen washer, and choke.
>
> Across the bottom row in Horler it's heater, ignition/lights, wiper, and
> windscreen washer. The AH book shows ignition/lights and wiper. Can anyone
> clear this up please?
>
> Second question - I'm also replacing the flasher unit in this car because
> the old one has obvious overheat indications The terminal with the dark
> green wire has the plastic cover (that covers the wire clip that attaches
to
> the flasher terminal) completely melted and has a brown burned tint to it.
> Any ideas on what would have caused this to happen...before I just put a
new
> flasher unit in?
>
> Thx, Mark
> _______________________________________________
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 22:13:08 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:13:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <805830.54631.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051657r259bce65g53a057b2937e19b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<805830.54631.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910052113i20e9d50cy2bc24fafea7d8b12@mail.gmail.com>

Okay. Reading all the replies I guess "dumb it down" is in order. I give up
in getting anywhere with the finer points here. How many of you part your
hair down the middle now?

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What do you
> think Ron?  Should we dumb it down for the
> > unwashed masses?  ;-)
>
> In
> reality, to paraphrase Yogi Berra, on the track I don't think and drive at
> the
> same time. I just try to control the corner-after-corner wipe out that is
> Spridget driving, and I do it by not locking the rear brakes. But I don't
> advocate disabling them - the factory engineers didn't build in a whole lot
> of
> margin.
>
> Let's move on to healthcare or something non-controversial.
>
> Ron
> _______________________________________________
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Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  5 22:14:26 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:14:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash
In-Reply-To: <008101ca4636$ba351620$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <BF2A390F8760470EAF7B59D987241456@GLEVICKYMAIN>
	<03f201ca462a$2a6567e0$7f3037a0$@net>
	<008101ca4636$ba351620$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <041401ca463b$7eab22c0$7c016840$@net>

Paul Asgeirsson wrote:  "How would it help if you did all the tracings of
openings of the dash on the garage wall?"

An even better idea:  I will just use some spray paint while the dash is
still hanging there.  Kinda like a stencil.  That way, I won't have to take
it down.  (Hmmm.  Would it still be graffiti if it is on the *inside* of the
garage door?)

(By the way, Paul, the garage is now considered by OSHA to be "Paul
A.-Safe".  My son took most of the stuff hanging from the rafters.)

Buster

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Mon Oct  5 22:19:55 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash
References: <BF2A390F8760470EAF7B59D987241456@GLEVICKYMAIN>
	<03f201ca462a$2a6567e0$7f3037a0$@net>
	<008101ca4636$ba351620$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
	<041401ca463b$7eab22c0$7c016840$@net>
Message-ID: <00a201ca463c$4382ad20$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Now you make it safe!

Are you planning another Buster Cluster on the horizon?  Top of my head is
pretty much dried up and healed from the bloody cuts and bruises!

Later, Paul A


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Evans" <b-evans at earthlink.net>
To: "'Paul Asgeirsson'" <PAsgeirsson at att.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>;
<bugeye at yahoogroups.com>; "'MarkGlevicky'" <mmg at cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash


> Paul Asgeirsson wrote:  "How would it help if you did all the tracings of
> openings of the dash on the garage wall?"
>
> An even better idea:  I will just use some spray paint while the dash is
> still hanging there.  Kinda like a stencil.  That way, I won't have to
take
> it down.  (Hmmm.  Would it still be graffiti if it is on the *inside* of
the
> garage door?)
>
> (By the way, Paul, the garage is now considered by OSHA to be "Paul
> A.-Safe".  My son took most of the stuff hanging from the rafters.)
>
> Buster

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 22:31:53 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:31:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
	<348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>

I quit watching that show a long time ago. Nuff said...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I saw that one years ago. After the BS they pulled on Tesla, I was rooting
> for the locals.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
> > To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> > Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 7:11 PM
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/features/article6858884.ece
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Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  5 23:21:27 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:21:27 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
	<348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>
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Jim Johnson wrote:  "I quit watching that show a long time ago."

I have you beat.  I've never watched it.  Too busy flossing my teeth.

From grday at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  6 00:55:57 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:55:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable Brake Fade
In-Reply-To: <47204.51810.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <47204.51810.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <690586.47921.qm@web86509.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Ahh, that's where I've been going wrong then.   :-)
________________________________
From: Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
To:
spridgets at autox.team.net; Guy R Day <grday at btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, 5
October, 2009 2:19:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Help - Seemingly Incurable
Brake Fade

Umm...just to be clear...the brake dialing on the race car is done
between stops, not during ;-O

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Guy R Day
<grday at btinternet.com> wrote:
> In race car
> competition when the back end 
>
overtakes the front I've found it is a little too
> late to play with brake 
>
balance lever 
>  Guy

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 03:18:09 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:18:09 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
Message-ID: <205cef430910060218q6a86336iedb26cd24eabdcf3@mail.gmail.com>

List,I got this from another forums and had to share. Have any of you guys
had one of these beauties? I remember by older brother had 2 of them the
70's one was when he lived in California and we drove to Tijuana, Mexico in
1975. It had wall to wall shag rug, round port hole windows, plastic
simulated stain glass and wooden rails that normally go in a stair case
banister . Boy she was ugly.
enjoy,
Linda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQblh6veP9M&feature=player_embedded

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 03:36:24 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] I finally got my 13" Astrila steering wheel on my LBC
 after over 30 years
Message-ID: <205cef430910060236w65d08d86va2cf53cf1ba0256f@mail.gmail.com>

List,In 1976 my old boyfriend gave me his 13" Astrila steering wheel he had
on his Mini Cooper before he sold it. That steering wheel has decorated my
rooms over the last 30 years. I finally found an adapter via a second time
in the same year of purchasing a 13" steering wheel with adapter. Second
time's the charm.

Now for my opinion on a small steering wheel on an LBC.........GOT GO-CART?
Lin

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 03:42:11 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:42:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910011951i7a3b37c6kb48f411215da285a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
	<2ad6c6b10910011505n67ded19dya7488d8dd7a021f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910011951i7a3b37c6kb48f411215da285a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910060242p6922c93cy59aea92e422192cd@mail.gmail.com>

Herb,Yes I do Frank pointed that out when I got Pinky and I don't recall how
he knew that I think it was the block number. I'll look at it and let you
know.  I need to put another exhaust manifold on it as well as new exhaust.
Will she run & sound better with a header? Will an exhaust header be better
to displace heat? If I go with a header should I get a 4 in one and wrap it?
Lin

62 Pink GO-CART

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:51 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What Ron said, plus...and correct me if I'm wrong...chances are better that
> you may have a better (stronger) crank.
> Herb
>
>
>
>
> --
> Here is an Important Message for anyone who receives this email:  If you
> forward this correspondence, PLEASE DELETE THE FORWARDING HISTORY, which
> includes my email address!  It is a courtesy to me and others who may not
> wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world!  Erasing the
> history helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and viruses from being
> propagated!  IT ALSO PROTECTS YOU.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 04:09:19 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
Message-ID: <205cef430910060309j4ea17885vf543d212db411982@mail.gmail.com>

List,I have always owned ether a Pontiac or a Saturn I am officially in
mourning over the end of both the Pontiac & the Saturn and the parts
department.
Now  can add my Saturn to the rest of my vintage cars and rotate as I order
parts from everywhere if I can get them. Sounds like the 67 VW will be my
daily driver at this rate.
Lin

62 Pink Go-Cart

From wolf.brent at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 04:45:55 2009
From: wolf.brent at gmail.com (Brent Wolf)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:45:55 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Ramones & LBC
In-Reply-To: <4333f8140910051721i3e11ab13g5679c96584c9608c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6EF7766.211DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<271080.20011.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4333f8140910051721i3e11ab13g5679c96584c9608c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62b83300910060345l5b200d7axfd8f1ffd62bcd76d@mail.gmail.com>

That is the difference. You rented a tow dolly not a trailer. By the U-haul
computer and regulations, the Midget will not fit on a trailer because the
wheel base is to narrow, but they will fit on a tow dolly.

Whenever I wanted to rent a trailer, I told them it was for an MGB.  No
problems there.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Hal Faulkner <frog.aye at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I rented a U-Haul to take FROG AYE to the Buster Cluster I told them
> what I was towing and they did not have any problem with that.  So not all
> U
> Haul places think Spridgets don't fit on their trailers (actually mine was
> a
> towing dolly -- front wheels only.
> Hal

From pilotrob at msn.com  Tue Oct  6 04:49:55 2009
From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:49:55 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] NLBC - I won!! :)
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-028689408780678F1707F00D4CE0@phx.gbl>

Perhaps a Bugeye or Spridget owner in the "over there" could accept this money for me in person and simply wire it to me?? 

I'll give you 10 per cent for your troubles!! :)

CapBob


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Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: FOR MORE INFORMATION CALL +447024044997,




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From abcoz at hky.com  Tue Oct  6 05:21:18 2009
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:21:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910060309j4ea17885vf543d212db411982@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910060309j4ea17885vf543d212db411982@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F138254398ED4652A480BFB4C60F16E9@OwnerPC>

Pontiacs have always been kind of special to me.  When I was a little kid, 
back in the 50s, our next door neighbor owned a Pontiac dealership.  Always 
lots of new Pontiacs coming and going, and with a few of them coming to live 
in my family's garage.  One of them, a '57 Star Chief (or was it a Super 
Chief???)Safari wagon, special ordered by Mrs. Weaver (agency was Ray E 
Weaver Pontiac, in Etna, just outside of Pittsburgh) became my mom's 
all-time favorite car, which we kept for many, many years and was the car in 
which I passed my driver's license test in.
LBC connection, here: Mr. Weaver and my dad became pretty good friends and, 
any time he took a LBC in on trade, it was brought home for my dad to play 
with.  So, at a very impressionable age, I got to ride around in some really 
sweet MGs and Triumphs (never any Healeys taken in on trade :( and at least 
one Jaguar.  These trade-ins, which Mr. Weaver brought home for my dad to 
play with (he couldn't get my mom to go along with buying one, however) 
infected me with the sports car disease.....BIG TIME........and I've never 
recovered, thank God.
I, for one, will miss Pontiacs being produced, even though I've never 
personally owned one.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Grunthaner" <grunthaner at gmail.com>
To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:09 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December 
2009 .....I'm in mourning


> List,I have always owned ether a Pontiac or a Saturn I am officially in
> mourning over the end of both the Pontiac & the Saturn and the parts
> department.
> Now  can add my Saturn to the rest of my vintage cars and rotate as I 
> order
> parts from everywhere if I can get them. Sounds like the 67 VW will be my
> daily driver at this rate.
> Lin
>
> 62 Pink Go-Cart

From kentmclean at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 06:07:17 2009
From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:07:17 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12933.1254825963.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.12933.1254825963.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ACB32F5.6080601@comcast.net>

Linda Grunthaner wrote:
 > It had wall to wall shag rug, round port hole windows, plastic
 > simulated stain glass and wooden rails that normally go in a
 > stair case banister

<confession>
Yes, 'though mine was a Chevy window van.
</>

My best friend and I were into camping. He talked me into getting
the van. I built a bed in the back, shag rug on the floor, and hung
curtains on the windows. We camped in it just once. That winter I
found out it had no traction (350 V8 up front, no weight in the back).
I sold it that spring. I owned it for 9 months, the shortest I've ever
owned a vehicle.

That didn't stop me from lusting after a Brubaker Box and Boonie Bug.

<http://www.rodster.com/articles/BrubakerBox.htm>
<http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2008/06/11/trump-the-minivan-bring-me-a-boonie-bug/>

-- 
Kent McLean
'56 100 BN2

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 06:07:21 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910052113i20e9d50cy2bc24fafea7d8b12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910051657r259bce65g53a057b2937e19b9@mail.gmail.com><805830.54631.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:13 PM
To: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72

Okay. Reading all the replies I guess "dumb it down" is in order. I give up
in getting anywhere with the finer points here. How many of you part your
hair down the middle now?

Cheers!!
Jim
==================

Nature parted it down the middle for me.  A very wide part.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 06:52:39 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:52:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <F138254398ED4652A480BFB4C60F16E9@OwnerPC>
References: <205cef430910060309j4ea17885vf543d212db411982@mail.gmail.com>
	<F138254398ED4652A480BFB4C60F16E9@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <205cef430910060552w22872074iea8e4ebcd776dc7c@mail.gmail.com>

My entire family owned Pontiacs my fathers first and last new car was a 65
Tempest we were kids when he and my mom ordered a blue 4 dor. I liked it so
much I got one in the same color in my senior year in 2 door. My brother had
a 69 GTO convertable and uncle had a 65 Catalina blue 2 door. I had 2 75
Grand Prix and of course my belovid daily driver is a 94 Saturn Wagon 1
owner.
Lin
62 Pink Go-Cart

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

> Pontiacs have always been kind of special to me.  When I was a little kid,
> back in the 50s, our next door neighbor owned a Pontiac dealership.  Always
> lots of new Pontiacs coming and going, and with a few of them coming to live
> in my family's garage.  One of them, a '57 Star Chief (or was it a Super
> Chief???)Safari wagon, special ordered by Mrs. Weaver (agency was Ray E
> Weaver Pontiac, in Etna, just outside of Pittsburgh) became my mom's
> all-time favorite car, which we kept for many, many years and was the car in
> which I passed my driver's license test in.
> LBC connection, here: Mr. Weaver and my dad became pretty good friends and,
> any time he took a LBC in on trade, it was brought home for my dad to play
> with.  So, at a very impressionable age, I got to ride around in some really
> sweet MGs and Triumphs (never any Healeys taken in on trade :( and at least
> one Jaguar.  These trade-ins, which Mr. Weaver brought home for my dad to
> play with (he couldn't get my mom to go along with buying one, however)
> infected me with the sports car disease.....BIG TIME........and I've never
> recovered, thank God.
> I, for one, will miss Pontiacs being produced, even though I've never
> personally owned one.
> Bud Osbourne
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" <
> grunthaner at gmail.com>
> To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:09 AM
> Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
> 2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
>
>
> List,I have always owned ether a Pontiac or a Saturn I am officially in
>> mourning over the end of both the Pontiac & the Saturn and the parts
>> department.
>> Now  can add my Saturn to the rest of my vintage cars and rotate as I
>> order
>> parts from everywhere if I can get them. Sounds like the 67 VW will be my
>> daily driver at this rate.
>> Lin
>>
>> 62 Pink Go-Cart

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 06:53:17 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:53:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
	<348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net>
Message-ID: <402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>

>> Jim Johnson wrote:  "I quit watching that show a long time ago."

> I have you beat.  I've never watched it.  Too busy flossing my teeth.

It is entertainment, folks, not journalism.

Now imagine Top Gear USA with:
Jay Leno as Jeremy Clarkson,
Frank Clarici as Richard Hammond,
Larry Daniels as James May, and
Ron Soave as the Stig...
How could you lose???
David L

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 06:55:01 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:55:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC.....Volvo going to China?
Message-ID: <205cef430910060555u5a742fc1t654cf38dc8a5fcd@mail.gmail.com>

List well I suppose I should be grateful my beloved Pontiac & Saturn are
going to their final resting place because it could be worse. I hear the
Volvo is being sold to a Chinese manufacturer.
How scary is that?
Lin
62 Go-Cart

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 07:27:23 2009
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:27:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1691978790.1941891254835643590.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

OKAY GREAT and i mean GREAT idea for a comedy piece at the midget 50th!!!!

This must get done!!!



Ryan

74 midget
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:53:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country

>> Jim Johnson wrote: B "I quit watching that show a long time ago."

> I have you beat. B I've never watched it. B Too busy flossing my teeth.

It is entertainment, folks, not journalism.

Now imagine Top Gear USA with:
Jay Leno as Jeremy Clarkson,
Frank Clarici as Richard Hammond,
Larry Daniels as James May, and
Ron Soave as the Stig...
How could you lose???
David L

From jfishbein at snet.net  Tue Oct  6 07:31:18 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <387801.39245.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Mega-Ditto's

jay fishbein
wallingford, ct

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:


>> Jim Johnson wrote:  "I quit watching that show a long time ago."

> I have you beat.  I've never watched it.  Too busy flossing my teeth.

It is entertainment, folks, not journalism.

From jfishbein at snet.net  Tue Oct  6 07:34:54 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:34:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC.....Volvo going to China?
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910060555u5a742fc1t654cf38dc8a5fcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <795223.56239.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately, everything's going Asian, even Formula One.

jay fishbein
wallingford, ct

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:

I hear the
Volvo is being sold to a Chinese manufacturer.
How scary is that?
Lin

From daredelvis at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 07:48:41 2009
From: daredelvis at gmail.com (brian james)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:48:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash
Message-ID: <531383560910060648w22eacc19gc5b0146c10f84f85@mail.gmail.com>

The switches on a left hand drive, right of the tach, ignoring the
heater oil gauge are in this order.
Top row left to right is: Choke, Turn signal, Starter
Bottom row is: Wiper, ignition/headlight, heater, washer pump.

The washer pump is the only one in the drivers handbook that is in the
wrong position.  On left hand cars it is on the left, not right.  My
dash had holes in both positions, dang.

Brian

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct  6 08:03:20 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:03:20 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <4ACB32F5.6080601@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.12933.1254825963.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W4185691D19ADAD017338F0B8CE0@phx.gbl>

Old van for sale:

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-SHAGGIN-WAGON-AUSTIN-POW
ERS-STYLE-W0QQAdIdZ160167726





> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:07:17 -0400
>
> Linda Grunthaner wrote:
> > It had wall to wall shag rug, round port hole windows, plastic
> > simulated stain glass and wooden rails that normally go in a
> > stair case banister
>
> <confession>
> Yes, 'though mine was a Chevy window van.
> </>

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct  6 08:06:59 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:06:59 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Ramones & LBC
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130910051752w49478d88mfde66174219f04ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6EF7766.211DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<271080.20011.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W3175C5C9853C20182C8A80B8CE0@phx.gbl>

I think you've just done that!  :)

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:52:09 -0700
>
> Oh no! This is not going to start the dreaded debate on whether to
> disconnect the drive shaft when using a tow dolly thread again is it?
> Mike MacLean
> 60 Sprite
> 56 BN2
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Hal Faulkner <frog.aye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When I rented a U-Haul to take FROG AYE to the Buster Cluster I told them
> > what I was towing and they did not have any problem with that. So not all
> > U
> > Haul places think Spridgets don't fit on their trailers (actually mine
was
> > a
> > towing dolly -- front wheels only.
> > Hal

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Tue Oct  6 08:45:51 2009
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:45:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net><348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com><043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net>
	<402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8355747C499F497EA4B5F26F80B1A163@AndrewHP>

How is it that we keep coming back to the belief that Top Gear and 24 hour
news shows are somehow journalism?

Cheers,
Drew

-----Original Message-----.

"It is entertainment, folks, not journalism."

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 08:59:02 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:59:02 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <1691978790.1941891254835643590.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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> OKAY GREAT and i mean GREAT idea for a comedy piece at the midget 50th!!!!
> This must get done!!!

Ryan,
Thank you for volunteering. Now get busy!
David L

From jfishbein at snet.net  Tue Oct  6 09:27:53 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <8355747C499F497EA4B5F26F80B1A163@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <610928.67759.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Because for some people, that's the closest they get to news.

jay fishbein
wallingford, ct

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Andrew Payne <andrewpayne at intrex.net> wrote:

How is it that we keep coming back to the belief that Top Gear and 24 hour
news shows are somehow journalism?

Cheers,
Drew

-----Original Message-----.

"It is entertainment, folks, not journalism."

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  6 09:39:23 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:39:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC.....Volvo going to China?
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Jay Fishbein wrote:  "Unfortunately, everything's going Asian, even Formula
One."

  1.  Lotus
  2.  (add 1 at a time to a list)

(The Malaysian Government and "1Malaysia F1 Team"--a group of Malaysian
businessmen--last month announced it would return Lotus to Formula One
racing.  To do this, the FIA has expanded the grid to 14 cars, and will seek
to enlarge the grid to 28 cars!  Shades of Indy!)

From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Tue Oct  6 09:41:26 2009
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:41:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net><348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com><043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net><402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
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I love Top Gear.  I take it as entertainment, not news or fact.  Clarkson 
drops metaphors and similies that make me laugh.
"Shifting this car is a bit like stirring coal.",  "...but for the 
cheese-eating surrender-monkeys..."
Jet powered Mini off a ski jump?  Toyota Hilux attempted destruction...... 
Turbo Bugeye whupping a ricer...Trabants eaten by rats.
The host's mothers testing compact cars...??
And don't forget that every now and then they drop something very heavy on 
an Austin Marina just for a giggle.

I find little on American TV that can compete.

As for the Top Gear in the American south, what was embarrassing was how 
easy it was to find stereotypical ignorant rednecks to play their part. 
Anyone want to claim that was a setup?  Drive the same cars through my 
neighborhood and you'd get finger pointing and laughter, and most people 
would figure out the joke, not drop their beer and reach for their gun and 
truck keys.

Glen Byrns

From haynes386 at netzero.net  Tue Oct  6 10:29:46 2009
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:29:46 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original
Message-ID: <20091006.102946.6931.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I've acquired an original positive ground SU fuel pump with bracketry to do
away with the mechanical that boils fuel every 3 miles. Now I'm kind of at a
loss as to where it was placed by the factory- Was it at the forward edge of
the differential hump where the line runs forward, or was it on the rear edge
o the diff hump, closer to the tank? All I own are pre'64 sprites, so I
haven't a clue.
Clueless in CO

BTW- 'Impulse' is the first derivative of acceleration, as time approaches
zero, Jim and Ron.

Mark Haynes
HAN6L12779
HAN5L8016

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From richb at u.washington.edu  Tue Oct  6 10:53:06 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash
References: <BF2A390F8760470EAF7B59D987241456@GLEVICKYMAIN><03f201ca462a$2a6567e0$7f3037a0$@net><008101ca4636$ba351620$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
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When we were planning the NOSHIT at my place last May, Paul's first question 
was do I have anything hanging from the garage ceiling followed by do I have 
any Band-Aids.  I have Grandkids so I grabbed the SpongeBob SquarePants ones 
for him.

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Evans" <b-evans at earthlink.net>
To: "'Paul Asgeirsson'" <PAsgeirsson at att.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>; 
<bugeye at yahoogroups.com>; "'MarkGlevicky'" <mmg at cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] TIps on reinstallation of recovered dash


> Paul Asgeirsson wrote:  "How would it help if you did all the tracings of
> openings of the dash on the garage wall?"
>
> An even better idea:  I will just use some spray paint while the dash is
> still hanging there.  Kinda like a stencil.  That way, I won't have to 
> take
> it down.  (Hmmm.  Would it still be graffiti if it is on the *inside* of 
> the
> garage door?)
>
> (By the way, Paul, the garage is now considered by OSHA to be "Paul
> A.-Safe".  My son took most of the stuff hanging from the rafters.)
>
> Buster
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 11:02:59 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:02:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] I finally got my 13" Astrila steering wheel on my
 LBC after over 30 years
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...what happened to the BF?

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>wrote:

> List,In 1976 my old boyfriend gave me his 13" Astrila steering wheel he had
> on his Mini Cooper before he sold it. That steering wheel has decorated my
> rooms over the last 30 years. I finally found an adapter via a second time
> in the same year of purchasing a 13" steering wheel with adapter. Second
> time's the charm.
>
> Now for my opinion on a small steering wheel on an LBC.........GOT GO-CART?
> Lin
>



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 11:12:44 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:12:44 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
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Lin,
Regarding headers, the LCB <for you LBC> seems to be the one of choice.
 'Wrapping' aids in reducing under bonnet temperatures.  Normally, a
horsepower gain is associated with headers; upper rpm range.

Keep in mind, you will (most likely) have to re-jet the carbs.  Or, at least
'tinker' with jet-needle positions.  May need to replace the needle-jet.

I'm sure others will jump in on this.

Herb

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>wrote:

> Herb,Yes I do Frank pointed that out when I got Pinky and I don't recall
> how he knew that I think it was the block number. I'll look at it and let
> you know.  I need to put another exhaust manifold on it as well as new
> exhaust. Will she run & sound better with a header? Will an exhaust header
> be better to displace heat? If I go with a header should I get a 4 in one
> and wrap it?
> Lin
>
> 62 Pink GO-CART
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:51 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What Ron said, plus...and correct me if I'm wrong...chances are better
>> that you may have a better (stronger) crank.
>> Herb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 11:13:05 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original
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Forward edge of the diff. hump on the passenger side.

I'd be able to get you
more details, but am in the process of packing up the garage and house for a
move in the next couple of weeks...  Good luck.

 - David
________________________________
From: Mark Haynes <haynes386 at netzero.net>
To:
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Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 12:29:46 PM
Subject:
[Spridgets] Electric pump location-original

I've acquired an original
positive ground SU fuel pump with bracketry to do
away with the mechanical
that boils fuel every 3 miles. Now I'm kind of at a
loss as to where it was
placed by the factory- Was it at the forward edge of
the differential hump
where the line runs forward, or was it on the rear edge
o the diff hump,
closer to the tank? All I own are pre'64 sprites, so I
haven't a clue.
Clueless in CO

BTW- 'Impulse' is the first derivative of acceleration, as
time approaches
zero, Jim and Ron.

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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct  6 11:20:41 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:20:41 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Switch diagram
Message-ID: <98CD9FFB1679453B9A27B527E6551CCC@Home>

Does anyone know of a diagram that show what all the connections in the hazard flasher switch are supposed to do.  I have a good wiring diagram, but it does not show the insides of the multi-part switch.

When the diagram shows a lot of black wires converging on a black dot (not a ground symbol), what does that mean?

I lost my turn signals, and it tracking down the problem, I ended up loosing some more of the circuit, then regaining  the rear lights but not the cockpit indicator lights, then loosing all of that circuit, including the high beam indicator.  It is acting like a bad ground or a bad switch, but the nearby ground wires are all have continuity.

Michael Rowe, Frustrated
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite kit
Long Island, NY

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:44:12 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:44:12 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
Message-ID: <c35.63fa616f.37fcdbec@aol.com>

Like a crash!
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 00:52:35 GMT Daylight Time,  
bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:

Actually, I was talking about mechanical shock, which is an  extremely
>> rapid acceleration or  deceleration

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:47:37 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:47:37 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
Message-ID: <d3e.4aaf248f.37fcdcb9@aol.com>

He recently became a Spridget owner and didn't slag the car off even though 
 it stuck in 3rd gear or something.  On the other hand he's too ignorant to 
 know that possibly some of those Morris Marina's the programme destroyed 
might  have yielded a spare inline A-series engine.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 02:53:56 GMT Daylight Time,  
dlh2001 at comcast.net writes:

If I met  up with Jeremy Clarkson,
> would I buy him a beer or beat him to death  with a baseball bat?"

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:48:49 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:48:49 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
Message-ID: <cc7.5f9db6db.37fcdd01@aol.com>

How about how many on the list have hair?

ED
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 05:37:10 GMT Daylight Time,  
bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:

How many  of you part your
hair down the middle  now?

Cheers!!
Jim

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:51:59 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:51:59 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
Message-ID: <d2b.59625815.37fcddbf@aol.com>

A heat coating is superior to a wrap and looks better to boot.
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 11:07:35 GMT Daylight Time,  
grunthaner at gmail.com writes:

If I go  with a header should I get a 4 in one and wrap  it?
Lin

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:53:26 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:53:26 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] NLBC - I won!! :)
Message-ID: <c86.5c702a04.37fcde16@aol.com>

What's the exchange rate on that?  Hers is?
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 12:06:05 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com  
writes:

Perhaps  a Bugeye or Spridget owner in the "over there" could accept this 
money for me  in person and simply wire it to me?? 

I'll give you 10 per cent for  your troubles!! :)

CapBob


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From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:54:33 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:54:33 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
Message-ID: <d4e.5cf58f5b.37fcde59@aol.com>

Do you mean a shaggy rug or a shagging rug?  Enquiring minds need to  know!
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 13:35:31 GMT Daylight Time,  
kentmclean at comcast.net writes:

shag rug  on the floor

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 12:15:52 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:15:52 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <280B20FE47ED49B7B6D6B1F51404B0A8@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
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Alas, you guys are the elite in our society. The rest of us ignorant boobs
just can't measure up to your culture and intellect...    <sigh!>

But I would be very cautious...  There are a lot more of us ignorant boobs
and we have guns and know how to use them....     ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Glen Byrns <grbyrns at ucdavis.edu> wrote:

> I love Top Gear.  I take it as entertainment, not news or fact.  Clarkson
> drops metaphors and similies that make me laugh.
> "Shifting this car is a bit like stirring coal.",  "...but for the
> cheese-eating surrender-monkeys..."
> Jet powered Mini off a ski jump?  Toyota Hilux attempted destruction......
> Turbo Bugeye whupping a ricer...Trabants eaten by rats.
> The host's mothers testing compact cars...??
> And don't forget that every now and then they drop something very heavy on
> an Austin Marina just for a giggle.
>
> I find little on American TV that can compete.
>
> As for the Top Gear in the American south, what was embarrassing was how
> easy it was to find stereotypical ignorant rednecks to play their part.
> Anyone want to claim that was a setup?  Drive the same cars through my
> neighborhood and you'd get finger pointing and laughter, and most people
> would figure out the joke, not drop their beer and reach for their gun and
> truck keys.
>
> Glen Byrns
>
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From kentmclean at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 12:28:12 2009
From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <d4e.5cf58f5b.37fcde59@aol.com>
References: <d4e.5cf58f5b.37fcde59@aol.com>
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WeslakeMonza1330 wrote:
> Do you mean a shaggy rug or a shagging rug?  Enquiring minds need to know!
>  
> In a message dated 06/10/2009 13:35:31 GMT Daylight Time, 
> kentmclean at comcast.net writes:
> 
>     shag rug on the floor

Oh, Be-Have. "Shag" rug as in "really deep pile" carpeting.

-- 
Kent McLean
'56 100 BN2

From hardy.john at cox.net  Tue Oct  6 12:50:11 2009
From: hardy.john at cox.net (hardy.john at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Battery Supplier
Message-ID: <20091006145011.WT5BI.507325.imail@fed1rmwml40>

Has anyone on the list had any experience with this supplier?

http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/

Thanks, 

John 

From pilotrob at msn.com  Tue Oct  6 13:08:31 2009
From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:08:31 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] NLBC - I won!! :)
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-018F797065CDBBB9408E727D4CE0@phx.gbl>

"What's the exchange rate?"

Not sure Daniel but.....I always liked Gordy!! :)

CB

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Tue Oct  6 13:32:49 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:32:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original
References: <20091006.102946.6931.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
	<620879.98961.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003a01ca46bb$caadd8e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

English or American passenger?

Paul A

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Booker" <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>
To: "Mark Haynes" <haynes386 at netzero.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original


> Forward edge of the diff. hump on the passenger side.

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Tue Oct  6 13:40:50 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:40:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
References: <d3e.4aaf248f.37fcdcb9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004e01ca46bc$e9a0b5a0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

The Morris Marina USA model, I'm pretty sure it didn't come with the "A"
series engine.  It also is a rare car on this continent!

Later, Paul A

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country


> He recently became a Spridget owner and didn't slag the car off even
though
>  it stuck in 3rd gear or something.  On the other hand he's too ignorant
to
>  know that possibly some of those Morris Marina's the programme destroyed
> might  have yielded a spare inline A-series engine.
>
> Weslake-Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 06/10/2009 02:53:56 GMT Daylight Time,
> dlh2001 at comcast.net writes:
>
> If I met  up with Jeremy Clarkson,
> > would I buy him a beer or beat him to death  with a baseball bat?"
> _______________________________________________
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From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Tue Oct  6 14:17:21 2009
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net><348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com><043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net><402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com><8355747C499F497EA4B5F26F80B1A163@AndrewHP><280B20FE47ED49B7B6D6B1F51404B0A8@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
	<43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <305FD8E8D96F42ED8F744F6C061CAC1E@AndrewHP>

Jim,

So were you one of the guys that attacked the Top Gear crew?  I wasn't sure
if that was a threat or a confession.

I guess it could have been a joke.  I hope it was a joke. Please don't shoot
me.

Cheers(sticking with the English salutation)
Drew

-----Original Message-----


But I would be very cautious...  There are a lot more of us ignorant boobs
and we have guns and know how to use them....     ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 14:22:13 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:22:13 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Switch diagram
In-Reply-To: <98CD9FFB1679453B9A27B527E6551CCC@Home>
References: <98CD9FFB1679453B9A27B527E6551CCC@Home>
Message-ID: <402188520910061322g44cf8617t4fe7a9484cda1a3@mail.gmail.com>

No, no one does because there were multiple varieties. The dot is a
representation of the actual physical ground.
Be aware that there are multiple non-interchangeable green wires going
to the switch, one of which has a black sleeve. If your car has the
monolithic connector for the switch, consider yourself fortunate.
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 14:23:33 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:23:33 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Project Pictures
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910061012j27a9925cy14599e1322ac5036@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC420D1.8070103@comcast.net>
	<2ad6c6b10910011505n67ded19dya7488d8dd7a021f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910011731s9f0ac23g2dc6ef33a412def7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910011951i7a3b37c6kb48f411215da285a@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910060242p6922c93cy59aea92e422192cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910061012j27a9925cy14599e1322ac5036@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910061323x36ec832dk8998638472f925cf@mail.gmail.com>

> Regarding headers, the LCB <for you LBC> seems to be the one of choice.
>  'Wrapping' aids in reducing under bonnet temperatures.  Normally, a
> horsepower gain is associated with headers; upper rpm range.

Wrapping also promotes rust-through of the header.
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 14:25:24 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:25:24 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <d4e.5cf58f5b.37fcde59@aol.com>
References: <d4e.5cf58f5b.37fcde59@aol.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910061325t45b75309laeb8f4fec6df858a@mail.gmail.com>

> Do you mean a shaggy rug or a shagging rug?  Enquiring minds need to  know!

All of the above and then some. "Shag" was a term used for a variety
of carpeting popular in the late Sixties and into the Seventies which
had yarn-like tendrils about .75" to 1" long.
David L

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Tue Oct  6 14:34:02 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:34:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <4ACB8C3C.1010308@comcast.net>
References: <d4e.5cf58f5b.37fcde59@aol.com>,
  <4ACB8C3C.1010308@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ACBA9BA.25879.1C8574@kk7ss.verizon.net>

It is getting kinda deep  <G>

On 6 Oct 2009 at 14:28, Kent McLean wrote:

>> Oh, Be-Have. "Shag" rug as in "really deep pile" carpeting.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From haynes386 at netzero.net  Tue Oct  6 14:53:24 2009
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:53:24 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original
Message-ID: <20091006.145324.2282.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Thanks Paul, I was an idjiot- Right hand side looking forward.


Mark Haynes
HAN6L12779
HAN5L8016

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Asgeirsson" <PAsgeirsson at att.net>
To: "David Booker" <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>, "Mark Haynes"
<haynes386 at netzero.net>, <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:32:49 -0700

English or American passenger?

Paul A

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Booker" <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>
To: "Mark Haynes" <haynes386 at netzero.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original


> Forward edge of the diff. hump on the passenger side.


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From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 15:06:51 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:06:51 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
Message-ID: <bff.693ef350.37fd0b6b@aol.com>

must be un 'merican thing!
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 19:28:25 GMT Daylight Time,  
kentmclean at comcast.net writes:

WeslakeMonza1330 wrote:
> Do you mean a shaggy rug or a shagging  rug?  Enquiring minds need to 
know!
>  
> In a message  dated 06/10/2009 13:35:31 GMT Daylight Time, 
> kentmclean at comcast.net  writes:
> 
>     shag rug on the floor

Oh,  Be-Have. "Shag" rug as in "really deep pile"  carpeting.

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 15:07:56 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:07:56 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
Message-ID: <d47.47b52d8c.37fd0bac@aol.com>

yep you just had the B-series engined car but then Top Gear aren't crushing 
 US Models of Marina.
 
In a message dated 06/10/2009 21:01:26 GMT Daylight Time,  
PAsgeirsson at att.net writes:

The  Morris Marina USA model, I'm pretty sure it didn't come with the "A"
series  engine.  It also is a rare car on this continent!

Later, Paul  A

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 15:15:39 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:15:39 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <305FD8E8D96F42ED8F744F6C061CAC1E@AndrewHP>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
	<348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net>
	<402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8355747C499F497EA4B5F26F80B1A163@AndrewHP>
	<280B20FE47ED49B7B6D6B1F51404B0A8@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
	<43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
	<305FD8E8D96F42ED8F744F6C061CAC1E@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910061415g33234fd8v16bf9f12ebfc868d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't "attack" anyone. I just said I don't watch the show. Somehow not
wanting to watch that show has labeled me as some sort of cretin.  Not
falling into lockstep with the crowd apparently makes one a tree swinging
baboon these days.  What's with that?

Cheers!!
Jim

P.S. I DO have guns and I DO know how to use them. I guess that makes me a
cretin too.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Andrew Payne <andrewpayne at intrex.net> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> So were you one of the guys that attacked the Top Gear crew?  I wasn't sure
> if that was a threat or a confession.
>
> I guess it could have been a joke.  I hope it was a joke. Please don't
> shoot
> me.
>
> Cheers(sticking with the English salutation)
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> But I would be very cautious...  There are a lot more of us ignorant boobs
> and we have guns and know how to use them....     ;-)
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
>
>


--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Tue Oct  6 15:17:10 2009
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:17:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
	<348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net>
	<402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8355747C499F497EA4B5F26F80B1A163@AndrewHP>
	<280B20FE47ED49B7B6D6B1F51404B0A8@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
	<43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACBB3D6.1020304@frontiernet.net>

Not only that, the friend who made the brush guard for my Jeep Comanche 
warned me that he was going to mount a gun sight on it, and did. Now he 
wants to install missile tubes between the bars. Now I'm afraid to 
attend any town hall meetings.

Kate
>
> But I would be very cautious...  There are a lot more of us ignorant boobs
> and we have guns and know how to use them....     ;-)
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim

From peter at nosimport.com  Tue Oct  6 15:25:48 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:25:48 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original
In-Reply-To: <20091006.102946.6931.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091006.102946.6931.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <200910061425244.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Mark,
         I sent you some pics off list. The car is still upside down 
if you need more detail.
Peter
=
At 11:29 AM 10/6/2009, Mark Haynes wrote:
>I've acquired an original positive ground SU fuel pump with bracketry to do
>away with the mechanical that boils fuel every 3 miles. Now I'm kind of at a
>loss as to where it was placed by the factory- Was it at the forward edge of
>the differential hump where the line runs forward, or was it on the rear edge
>o the diff hump, closer to the tank? All I own are pre'64 sprites, so I
>haven't a clue.
>Clueless in CO
>
>BTW- 'Impulse' is the first derivative of acceleration, as time approaches
>zero, Jim and Ron.
>
>Mark Haynes
>HAN6L12779
>HAN5L8016

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 15:27:22 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:27:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
	<348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net>
	<402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8355747C499F497EA4B5F26F80B1A163@AndrewHP>
	<280B20FE47ED49B7B6D6B1F51404B0A8@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
	<43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910061427y252a4deag2ff475d46713e134@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah...and we hit what it is we're aiming at too!

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 15:34:43 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:34:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Switch diagram
In-Reply-To: <98CD9FFB1679453B9A27B527E6551CCC@Home>
References: <98CD9FFB1679453B9A27B527E6551CCC@Home>
Message-ID: <4ACBB7F3.4050606@comcast.net>

Michael Rowe wrote:
> Does anyone know of a diagram that show what all the connections in the hazard flasher switch are supposed to do.  I have a good wiring diagram, but it does not show the insides of the multi-part switch.
>
> When the diagram shows a lot of black wires converging on a black dot (not a ground symbol), what does that mean?
>
> I lost my turn signals, 
Michael

To get turn signals and by-pass the hazard switch, connect the 2 solid 
green wires together.
I think they are the 2 on the bottom of the switch.
One of those green wires has a very small black band around it, not a 
stripe but a band near the bullet end and near the spade end of the 
hazard switch, this wire feeds the turn signals via the hazard switch, 
bum switch, no signals.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct  6 15:48:52 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:48:52 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <cc7.5f9db6db.37fcdd01@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6F10954.212AC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> How about how many on the list have hair?
I'm 61, and I still have my award winning pompadour.
BZ

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct  6 16:03:02 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:03:02 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <cc7.5f9db6db.37fcdd01@aol.com>
References: <cc7.5f9db6db.37fcdd01@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BCF47646E85E425F9858C51A8C5C584B@Home>

> How about how many on the list have hair?

That is truly offensive and has no place on this car list!

Michael Rowe
Hairless

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 16:17:05 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:17:05 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <C6F10954.212AC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <cc7.5f9db6db.37fcdd01@aol.com>
	<C6F10954.212AC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910061517n6915b19ete8f54c0d9c81871f@mail.gmail.com>

So do a few of the others. They keep them on a shelf in the closet....   ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:

> > How about how many on the list have hair?
> I'm 61, and I still have my award winning pompadour.
> BZ

From lbc at littlebitcountry.com  Tue Oct  6 16:56:55 2009
From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:56:55 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <4ACB32F5.6080601@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.12933.1254825963.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
	<4ACB32F5.6080601@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200910062255.n96MtCta023207@mail.usimperio.com>

I had a multiple of vans, had a chevy 1990 350 V8 with an big holley 
carb and automatic, never got stuck once in the snow. I went where 
4X4 were rolling on their tops. Wish I still had it.

Dave

At 08:07 AM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
>Linda Grunthaner wrote:
> > It had wall to wall shag rug, round port hole windows, plastic
> > simulated stain glass and wooden rails that normally go in a
> > stair case banister
>
><confession>
>Yes, 'though mine was a Chevy window van.
></>
>
>My best friend and I were into camping. He talked me into getting
>the van. I built a bed in the back, shag rug on the floor, and hung
>curtains on the windows. We camped in it just once. That winter I
>found out it had no traction (350 V8 up front, no weight in the back).
>I sold it that spring. I owned it for 9 months, the shortest I've ever
>owned a vehicle.
>
>That didn't stop me from lusting after a Brubaker Box and Boonie Bug.

From nases at verizon.net  Tue Oct  6 18:14:06 2009
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:14:06 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <4ACBB3D6.1020304@frontiernet.net>
References: <03d301ca4619$86b70af0$942520d0$@net>
	<348096.48082.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910052131x78540b46q42628fc9518b64b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<043e01ca4644$db423470$91c69d50$@net>
	<402188520910060553p73253f19n91088c331151b559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8355747C499F497EA4B5F26F80B1A163@AndrewHP>
	<280B20FE47ED49B7B6D6B1F51404B0A8@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
	<43840a7e0910061115g2866491t798f969505591ad4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACBB3D6.1020304@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <037609E0-4321-4D23-BBCE-0A08AB1E1CD4@verizon.net>

Can he build me one of those tubes?  I have some traffic to clear;)

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/



On Oct 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Kathryn Bales wrote:

> Not only that, the friend who made the brush guard for my Jeep  
> Comanche warned me that he was going to mount a gun sight on it, and  
> did. Now he wants to install missile tubes between the bars. Now I'm  
> afraid to attend any town hall meetings.
>
> Kate
>>
>> But I would be very cautious...  There are a lot more of us  
>> ignorant boobs
>> and we have guns and know how to use them....     ;-)
>>
>> Cheers!!
>> Jim

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 18:35:23 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:35:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem
Message-ID: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>

This is way WEIRD!
Ladybug  (Bugeye) 1275, modern jap alternator, negative ground, new MP3, 
satellite, CD, tuner no knob type chinese radio made by Kenwood.
Key on, car NOT running, radio/CDs work perfect.
Start engine, now the radio and CD stutter.
This is NOT a stuttering CD, the speakers damn near go quiet and they 
stutter. The music stays in sync.
Different CDs, different radio stations.
Now rev the engine and it works fine again.
So I'm thinking bad alternator. Nope, I just tried 3 different ones, 
same deal.
Bum radio? I hooked it up in my 67 and it works car running or not.
So back to Ladybug. Hook it up direct to battery, disconnect the 
alternator, SAME stutter but it's fine with the engine off.
No alternator and engine running makes it stutter.

Ignition noise? Different coil, different dizzy, same problem.
Tach? I bypassed it, no change.

Remember, I know the radio is fine in a different car. So what the hell 
is wrong with Tiffany's car that makes the radio stutter?
It worked fine, then I replaced the engine but used all the bolt ons 
from the other engine, now it does not work.
And I did check the speaker wires, but what changes when the engine is 
running and only on her car.
Remember, it works in my 67 engine running.
And it works in Tiff's car engine NOT running, only when the motor is 
running does it not work.

Oh, no electric fan on this car either.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 18:50:51 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:50:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
Message-ID: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>

Now I hooked the radio up to the 67 and again it works fine but if I 
start the Ladybug, the radio stutters, yes the cars are next to each 
other in the garage, the radio is totally isolated from any Ladybug 
wiring but it is in the console in the car, ground wire and all power 
wires disconnected.
I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the ladybug 
and the radio craps out.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 19:03:27 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:03:27 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910061803u70b02568kb1f7acbc407645ac@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like an intermittent ground....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> This is way WEIRD!
> Ladybug  (Bugeye) 1275, modern jap alternator, negative ground, new MP3,
> satellite, CD, tuner no knob type chinese radio made by Kenwood.
> Key on, car NOT running, radio/CDs work perfect.
> Start engine, now the radio and CD stutter.
> This is NOT a stuttering CD, the speakers damn near go quiet and they
> stutter. The music stays in sync.
> Different CDs, different radio stations.
> Now rev the engine and it works fine again.
> So I'm thinking bad alternator. Nope, I just tried 3 different ones, same
> deal.
> Bum radio? I hooked it up in my 67 and it works car running or not.
> So back to Ladybug. Hook it up direct to battery, disconnect the
> alternator, SAME stutter but it's fine with the engine off.
> No alternator and engine running makes it stutter.
>
> Ignition noise? Different coil, different dizzy, same problem.
> Tach? I bypassed it, no change.
>
> Remember, I know the radio is fine in a different car. So what the hell is
> wrong with Tiffany's car that makes the radio stutter?
> It worked fine, then I replaced the engine but used all the bolt ons from
> the other engine, now it does not work.
> And I did check the speaker wires, but what changes when the engine is
> running and only on her car.
> Remember, it works in my 67 engine running.
> And it works in Tiff's car engine NOT running, only when the motor is
> running does it not work.
>
> Oh, no electric fan on this car either.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct  6 19:13:10 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:13:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D59FAC0061DE4EED9FC3FB05349F501C@spider>

You may be getting some alternating current or another signal coming in on
the DC to the radio. Try a diode (or rectifier) in the circuit. Hooked up
one way, you'll get no current to the radio. Hooked up the other way you'll
get ONLY DC. 
Did you try it powering the radio on a separate battery, but everything else
hooked up to your car?  ...bill in oregon
===========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:35 PM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem

This is way WEIRD!
Ladybug  (Bugeye) 1275, modern jap alternator, negative ground, new MP3, 
satellite, CD, tuner no knob type chinese radio made by Kenwood.
Key on, car NOT running, radio/CDs work perfect.
Start engine, now the radio and CD stutter.
This is NOT a stuttering CD, the speakers damn near go quiet and they 
stutter. The music stays in sync.
Different CDs, different radio stations.
Now rev the engine and it works fine again.
So I'm thinking bad alternator. Nope, I just tried 3 different ones, 
same deal.
Bum radio? I hooked it up in my 67 and it works car running or not.
So back to Ladybug. Hook it up direct to battery, disconnect the 
alternator, SAME stutter but it's fine with the engine off.
No alternator and engine running makes it stutter.

Ignition noise? Different coil, different dizzy, same problem.
Tach? I bypassed it, no change.

Remember, I know the radio is fine in a different car. So what the hell 
is wrong with Tiffany's car that makes the radio stutter?
It worked fine, then I replaced the engine but used all the bolt-ons 
from the other engine, now it does not work.
And I did check the speaker wires, but what changes when the engine is 
running and only on her car.
Remember, it works in my 67 engine running.
And it works in Tiff's car engine NOT running, only when the motor is 
running does it not work.

Oh, no electric fan on this car either.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites
_______________________________________________

From george.brokaw at cox.net  Tue Oct  6 19:13:22 2009
From: george.brokaw at cox.net (Paul Herder)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <06a701ca46eb$5d478eb0$17d6ac10$@brokaw@cox.net>

Spark Plug wires?

Or distributor cap/rotor?

Paul

-----Original Message-----

This is way WEIRD!
Ladybug  (Bugeye) 1275, modern jap alternator, negative ground, new MP3, 
satellite, CD, tuner no knob type chinese radio made by Kenwood.
Key on, car NOT running, radio/CDs work perfect.
Start engine, now the radio and CD stutter.
This is NOT a stuttering CD, the speakers damn near go quiet and they 
stutter. The music stays in sync.
Different CDs, different radio stations.
Now rev the engine and it works fine again.
So I'm thinking bad alternator. Nope, I just tried 3 different ones, 
same deal.
Bum radio? I hooked it up in my 67 and it works car running or not.
So back to Ladybug. Hook it up direct to battery, disconnect the 
alternator, SAME stutter but it's fine with the engine off.
No alternator and engine running makes it stutter.

Ignition noise? Different coil, different dizzy, same problem.
Tach? I bypassed it, no change.

Remember, I know the radio is fine in a different car. So what the hell 
is wrong with Tiffany's car that makes the radio stutter?
It worked fine, then I replaced the engine but used all the bolt ons 
from the other engine, now it does not work.
And I did check the speaker wires, but what changes when the engine is 
running and only on her car.
Remember, it works in my 67 engine running.
And it works in Tiff's car engine NOT running, only when the motor is 
running does it not work.

Oh, no electric fan on this car either.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct  6 19:17:21 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:17:21 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2FB1B8B7D5C64689B40B4943E5AD2D19@spider>

Ok, you're generating a signal from your car, and the specific radio you
bought is picking it up. Return the chinese radio. ...bill
==================================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:51 PM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet

Now I hooked the radio up to the 67 and again it works fine but if I 
start the Ladybug, the radio stutters, yes the cars are next to each 
other in the garage, the radio is totally isolated from any Ladybug 
wiring but it is in the console in the car, ground wire and all power 
wires disconnected.
I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the ladybug 
and the radio craps out.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites
_______________________________________________

From dwramsey at att.net  Tue Oct  6 19:24:58 2009
From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <C6F10954.212AC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <20091007012512.BEE73187653@autox.team.net>

How about teeth?
		Crash


> How about how many on the list have hair?
I'm 61, and I still have my award winning pompadour.
BZ

From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 19:25:41 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Even Weirder yet
Message-ID: <971968.38162.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire
> up the ladybug and the radio craps out.

Holy sh!t. I started my Bugeye tonight and the radio started playing "Jersey Girl" by Tom Waits, but it kept cutting out. I read Frank's post, and the hair on the back of my neck stood up when I realized my Bugeye doesn't HAVE a radio...

Ron

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 19:33:35 2009
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:33:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <154337770.2322401254879215943.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

call father jack!!!! 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <spritenut at comcast.net> 
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:50:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet 

Now I hooked the radio up to the 67 and again it works fine but if I 
start the Ladybug, the radio stutters, yes the cars are next to each 
other in the garage, the radio is totally isolated from any Ladybug 
wiring but it is in the console in the car, ground wire and all power 
wires disconnected. 
I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the ladybug 
and the radio craps out. 

-- 
Frank Clarici 
Toms River, NJ 
My own Fleet of Sprites 
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Tue Oct  6 19:34:48 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:34:48 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ACBF038.9122.12FE268@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Sounds to me like you're getting EMP from ladybug..
Perhaps Electro Magnetic Pulses from the ignition system of the 
ladybug are overloading the front-end of the radio...
Check the grounding on the ignition system, exhaust pipe and also 
perhaps a bypass capacitor on the antenna.
Do you have shielded ignition wires and cap on ladybug.?
Is the coil can well grounded?

On 6 Oct 2009 at 20:50, Frank wrote:

>> I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the
>> ladybug and the radio craps out.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 19:36:24 2009
From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:36:24 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] I finally got my 13" Astrila steering wheel on  my,
 LBC after over 30 years
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12933.1254825963.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.12933.1254825963.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ACBF098.3010905@sbcglobal.net>

Linda,

I, too, have a 13" Astrali on my '79 Midget and I love it. It was a Xmas 
present from my sister a couple of years ago. I had to fab up an adapter 
for the hub to cancel the turn signals, but otherwise it's great. Lots 
more room in the cockpit and I love that go-cart feeling.

I'm attaching a picture that the list will strip showing the wheel at 
the top of Pikes Peak (notice the GPS shows 14.2K feet.)

Lee

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:36:24 -0400
From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] I finally got my 13" Astrila steering wheel on my
	LBC after over 30 years
To: Spridget list <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Message-ID:
	<205cef430910060236w65d08d86va2cf53cf1ba0256f at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

List,In 1976 my old boyfriend gave me his 13" Astrila steering wheel he 
had on his Mini Cooper before he sold it. That steering wheel has 
decorated my rooms over the last 30 years. I finally found an adapter 
via a second time in the same year of purchasing a 13" steering wheel 
with adapter. Second time's the charm.

Now for my opinion on a small steering wheel on an LBC.........GOT GO-CART?
Lin

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of MG2009 041.jpg]

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 19:42:08 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBF038.9122.12FE268@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
	<4ACBF038.9122.12FE268@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4ACBF1F0.7030800@comcast.net>

It was the spark plug wires, but they are new too and from a reputable 
supplier, no moss crap.
I swapped caps and wires with the 67 (same brand) and all is fine and 
there is no interference on the 8 track tapes in the 67.
Ladybug has tunes again. Not that I really care but if you met my 
daughter, she can be a real  _itch ;)
Go figure.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From pythias at pacifier.com  Tue Oct  6 19:54:54 2009
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1094292941.20091006185454@pacifier.com>

Hello Frank,

     If I read the post correctly, you have put the radio into a
     different car (the 67) and it works fine until you start LADYBUG,
     then it craps out.

     That is, just starting ladybug in the vicinity of the radio makes
     it crap out?


     It's just about got to be RFI Radio Frequency
     Interference. What kind of plugs do you have in Ladybug? and are
     you using shielded or unshielded plug wires? .



-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Woman who put chicken and peas in soup, very unhygienic.

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Tue Oct  6 19:56:13 2009
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:56:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] World Rally Championship
Message-ID: <9364C5553C174C57B985EFB4EB023B23@AndrewHP>

I just finished watching Discovery Theaters starting coverage of WRC.  I am
glad to have it back on TV, but the coverage is a bit thin at an hour for a
whole weekends racing.  Unfortunately, most of the manufacturers jumped
ship last year.  Now, the only factory teams are Citrokn and Ford.  Gone are
Mitsubishi, Subaru, Peugeot, Suzuki, and Skoda.  They still have cars there,
but just as privateers.



The season is over, but the shows start at the beginning of the season,
however it looks like Loeb will once again dominate.  He is a spectacular
driver and seems like a good guy, but I miss the mystery of wondering who
will win. Also, Loeb is very fast and clean, and most of the fast, sideways,
dramatic drivers have retired.  For the record, I still dont KNOW how the
season ends, and plan to keep it that way.



Still, there is some great driving, better than most anything we get in the
states.  But somehow, FIA is managing to screw up yet fantastic racing
franchise.



Drew

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct  6 19:58:08 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <200910062255.n96MtCta023207@mail.usimperio.com>
Message-ID: <C6F143C0.212DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> multiple of vans
I had 1953 Ford F-100 panel truck for 24years. I rebuilt it, wore it out,
rebuilt it again, and wore it out again.  I sold it to buy the Sprite
because it needed everything but it wouldn't fit in my garage.
I love the Sprite, but I still search for that panel truck on Ebay once a
month. I'm not sure what I'd do if it turned up. It would probably have a
Nova front clip by now anyway.
That's my van story.
BZ

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct  6 19:59:34 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:59:34 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C6F14416.212E0%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

Try installing a new exhaust. You shouldn't be able to hear a radio.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct  6 20:00:42 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:00:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C6F1445A.212E1%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the ladybug
> and the radio craps out.
Plug wires?

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct  6 20:01:36 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:01:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
Message-ID: <C6F14490.212E2%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> How about teeth?
All there...getting longer, but only three fillings.

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  6 20:09:17 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
Message-ID: <001b01ca46f3$2d211320$87633960$@net>

Some say, "Yes!"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6265762/Convertible-cars-cou
ld-damage-hearing.html 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 20:10:03 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:10:03 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <20091007012512.BEE73187653@autox.team.net>
References: <C6F10954.212AC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<20091007012512.BEE73187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910061910k4849c5d6q2ac704f9c9ff594b@mail.gmail.com>

What??  Why did you ask that?  Did someone steal my teeth....   again.....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM, David Ramsey <dwramsey at att.net> wrote:

> How about teeth?
>                Crash
>
>
> > How about how many on the list have hair?
> I'm 61, and I still have my award winning pompadour.
> BZ

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 20:11:10 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:11:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Even Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <971968.38162.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <971968.38162.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910061911w13cd9d8i809c8e7c65fcb29a@mail.gmail.com>

Your Bugeye isn't named "Christine" is it?

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire
> > up the ladybug and the radio craps out.
>
> Holy sh!t. I started my Bugeye tonight and the radio started playing
> "Jersey Girl" by Tom Waits, but it kept cutting out. I read Frank's post,
> and the hair on the back of my neck stood up when I realized my Bugeye
> doesn't HAVE a radio...
>
> Ron

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Tue Oct  6 20:11:55 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:11:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Can you (still) hear me ??
Message-ID: <4ACBF8EB.14733.151DE44@kk7ss.verizon.net>

I stumbled across this today...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8292089.stm

I think the advantage is you take less notice of any noises from the 
car..

--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 20:37:04 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <C6F143C0.212DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6F143C0.212DF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <56A07569D02547838ABEC718946EC5DD@HomePC>

I had to look that one up as I had no clue what a 1953 Ford F100 panel truck 
looked like.  Billy, if one of those comes up for sale, you're gonna have to 
outbid me.  That is too cool.

LAD

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Billy Zoom" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:58 PM
To: "Dave Yealy" <lbc at littlebitcountry.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.

> multiple of vans
I had 1953 Ford F-100 panel truck for 24years. I rebuilt it, wore it out,
rebuilt it again, and wore it out again.  I sold it to buy the Sprite
because it needed everything but it wouldn't fit in my garage.
I love the Sprite, but I still search for that panel truck on Ebay once a
month. I'm not sure what I'd do if it turned up. It would probably have a
Nova front clip by now anyway.
That's my van story.
BZ
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct  6 20:38:56 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 02:38:56 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Can you (still) hear me ??
In-Reply-To: <4ACBF8EB.14733.151DE44@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4ACBF8EB.14733.151DE44@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W9F15619D10DED6355BB62B8CD0@phx.gbl>

A bit too late for me, but I'll do what I can to retain what I have left ...
within reason.

> From: kk7ss at verizon.net
>
> I stumbled across this today...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8292089.stm
>
> I think the advantage is you take less notice of any noises from the
> car..
>
> --
> Dave G. KK7SS Richland, WA
> '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
> '65 MK III A-H Sprite
> '76 MKIV 1500 Midget

From sales at justbrits.com  Tue Oct  6 20:53:58 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Can you (still) hear me ??
In-Reply-To: <4ACBF8EB.14733.151DE44@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4ACBF8EB.14733.151DE44@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4ACC02C6.7010908@justbrits.com>

<<I think the advantage is you take less notice of any noises from the 
car..>>

Huh, couldn't here you, Dave !!!!

LOL

Silas

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Tue Oct  6 20:55:20 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem
References: <4ACBE24B.30304@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00b101ca46f9$9c5caa00$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Hi Frank,

When you find out what's happenning with the stuttering radio, let me know
what you find.  Mine, which has always been a great stereo in the car, just
started doing it.  Makes it pretty useless to listen to.

Later, Paul A




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:35 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Radio Problem


> This is way WEIRD!
> Ladybug  (Bugeye) 1275, modern jap alternator, negative ground, new MP3,
> satellite, CD, tuner no knob type chinese radio made by Kenwood.
> Key on, car NOT running, radio/CDs work perfect.
> Start engine, now the radio and CD stutter.
> This is NOT a stuttering CD, the speakers damn near go quiet and they
> stutter. The music stays in sync.
> Different CDs, different radio stations.
> Now rev the engine and it works fine again.
> So I'm thinking bad alternator. Nope, I just tried 3 different ones,
> same deal.
> Bum radio? I hooked it up in my 67 and it works car running or not.
> So back to Ladybug. Hook it up direct to battery, disconnect the
> alternator, SAME stutter but it's fine with the engine off.
> No alternator and engine running makes it stutter.
>
> Ignition noise? Different coil, different dizzy, same problem.
> Tach? I bypassed it, no change.
>
> Remember, I know the radio is fine in a different car. So what the hell
> is wrong with Tiffany's car that makes the radio stutter?
> It worked fine, then I replaced the engine but used all the bolt ons
> from the other engine, now it does not work.
> And I did check the speaker wires, but what changes when the engine is
> running and only on her car.
> Remember, it works in my 67 engine running.
> And it works in Tiff's car engine NOT running, only when the motor is
> running does it not work.
>
> Oh, no electric fan on this car either.
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From sb.zelazoski at verizon.net  Tue Oct  6 21:03:57 2009
From: sb.zelazoski at verizon.net (Brandon Zelazoski)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:03:57 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe:  New Bugeye Group
References: <c8a.46a6ce95.37f51956@aol.com>
	<7D1DD210-D3BE-4E13-9D89-A8E75014E82E@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <EC50B9F283024FACA035F40BB3DEE66B@D73GCN51>

I've been away for a while and it looks like I missed a lively topic.  I 
never did sell my bugeye (didn't try too hard) so I'm looking good at 32 
years old driving a car 17 years my senior.

Brandon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Macy" <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
To: <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Youngest Spridget ownerRe: New Bugeye Group


> Well, my daughter, Kristi, who seems not to have replied in this
> thread, is 33. Her hubby Lambert is 34 (I hope I got that right ;-).
>
> Where Ryan falls, ???
>
> Larry
>
> On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:28 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Duncan appears to be the youngest at 37 compared to my 46.  I guess he
>> must be older than his Spridget as well (mine is only 6 years
>> younger than
>> me).  I weigh in at 152lbs
>>
>> Weslake Monza 1330
>>
>> In a message dated 30/09/2009 21:16:37 GMT Daylight Time,
>> duncan at pondhop.com writes:
>>
>> How  about 37, any lower  bidders
>>
>> Thanks
>> Duncan
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> -- 
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>
> Keep your top down and your chin up.
>
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>
> One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a
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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  6 21:12:45 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite History Information Needed
Message-ID: <22799413.1254885165926.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear Readers,

I got this question from a reader on www.allcarcentral.com - I do not know the answer - anyone out there know. Please let me and Dave know as well as the list.

Thanks,

Rick Feibusch
British Car Network 
www.allcarcentral.com

The Question:

I have a Austin Healey Sprite that is registered as a 1962 MK2, it has a chassis and motor matching this, but it has the body style, interior and suspension of a Sprite MK3. I have read that in 1963 they made a small run of these prototypes for the 1964 MK 3.  Do I have a rare car and how can I prove it? 

Dave Spencer 
<spencerfamily1 at charter.net>,

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct  6 21:16:42 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:16:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <001b01ca46f3$2d211320$87633960$@net>
References: <001b01ca46f3$2d211320$87633960$@net>
Message-ID: <4ACC081A.4080906@comcast.net>

Robert Evans wrote:
> Some say, "Yes!"
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6265762/Convertible-cars-could-damage-hearing.html 
>   
NOW he tells me. I can't hear worth a damn but I have only been driving 
a top down Sprite for 37 years.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com  Tue Oct  6 21:22:04 2009
From: pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com (Gerard Chateauvieux)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:22:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite History Information Needed
In-Reply-To: <22799413.1254885165926.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <22799413.1254885165926.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5A1B8950-CB78-4A83-A6A6-136FC93D5E21@gerardsgarage.com>

Rick, Dave,

My feedback...

A chassis number would help, either placing it in a timeline or  
indicating numbering outside the norm for the period. A BMIHT  
certificate will be the only likely definitive answer, certainly if  
you want proof.

Gerard

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:12 PM, rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net wrote:

>
> Dear Readers,
>
> I got this question from a reader on www.allcarcentral.com - I do  
> not know the answer - anyone out there know. Please let me and Dave  
> know as well as the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick Feibusch
> British Car Network
> www.allcarcentral.com
>
> The Question:
>
> I have a Austin Healey Sprite that is registered as a 1962 MK2, it  
> has a chassis and motor matching this, but it has the body style,  
> interior and suspension of a Sprite MK3. I have read that in 1963  
> they made a small run of these prototypes for the 1964 MK 3.  Do I  
> have a rare car and how can I prove it?
>
> Dave Spencer
> <spencerfamily1 at charter.net>,

From bkitterer at me.com  Tue Oct  6 22:51:08 2009
From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:51:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <4ACC081A.4080906@comcast.net>
References: <001b01ca46f3$2d211320$87633960$@net>
	<4ACC081A.4080906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>

Frank,

I didn't think you drive that fast in NJ - - - must be all the rock  
and roll you listened to  :-)

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Frank wrote:

> Robert Evans wrote:
>> Some say, "Yes!"
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6265762/Convertible-cars-could-damage-hearing.html
> NOW he tells me. I can't hear worth a damn but I have only been  
> driving a top down Sprite for 37 years.
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com  Tue Oct  6 23:22:36 2009
From: pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com (Gerard Chateauvieux)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:22:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite History Information Needed
In-Reply-To: <20091007001440.8L8I5.6428001.root@mp14>
References: <20091007001440.8L8I5.6428001.root@mp14>
Message-ID: <4E8ACE3D-2D81-4446-A74F-9E96287111D3@gerardsgarage.com>

Hi Dave,

The info you provide suggests to me you have a car assembled from  
many cars; I will elaborate on my speculation and give you a clue for  
further verification.

#H-AN6-L/19774 would indeed be a car made in late March/Early April  
1962, but engine #9C-U-H/37910 seems to be from a HAN5 (Bugeye)  
Sprite (April 1960). Is the Body #ABL/037448 located on the right  
hand door post? Please clarify.

The BMIHT Certificate numbers make sense for an HAN6 car. 9CG prefix  
began in Feb '61 (9CG-101) and 9CG-da-H/29667 would be around April  
'62, so it correlates to the timeline of you chassis number. By  
October '62, the 10CG engine was introduced. Body number sequence is  
usually  relatively close in number, so # ABL/16155 makes more sense  
than the high number actually on the car.

Now, here's a couple things you can check that might shed some light.  
There is are two "secret location" where the chassis number was  
stamped into steel panels on later Spridgets. I don't remember what  
year they started the process, but I think by HAN7, this was done. If  
you indeed have an HAN7 I think you will find at least one of these  
locations have the number. It's worth a look anyway.

One is one the plate where the right hand shock mounts. If the car is  
dirty in that area (most likely) or has heavy coat of paint, it will  
be difficult to find/see. If I remember correctly, it is on the rear  
side near the edge where the steel plate curves upward. It may be  
hard to see with the shock in place also. The second place to look is  
the right hand floorboard, and inch or two forward of the side-to- 
side frame cross member. It will be right in the center from left to  
right. If there is much rust there, if may be hard to see. Generally,  
it was not covered by any insulation originally, but who knows what  
has been done in previous hands.

Additionally, chassis number were recorded in crayon in several  
places, but by now they have usually been either painted over or gone  
with years of aging. Once is under the matt on the jump seat, the  
other is on the back of the dashboard.

Check those places for clues and let me know if you find anything  
that helps.

Gerard


On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:14 PM, <spencerfamily1 at charter.net> wrote:

> Chassis #H-AN6-L/19774, engine #9C-U-H/37910, BODY #ABL/037448,  
> BMIHT says it should be Chassis #H-AN6-L/19774, engine 9CG-da-H/ 
> 29667, BODY # ABL/16155 BMIHT says it was old english white, red  
> trim, and gray top shipped to Germany. My car was red with red trim  
> and a black top. Please help me clear this up before I put to much  
> money into it. Do I hve something very rare? Thanks for all your  
> help. Dave Spencer.
> ---- Gerard Chateauvieux <pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com> wrote:
>> Rick, Dave,
>>
>> My feedback...
>>
>> A chassis number would help, either placing it in a timeline or
>> indicating numbering outside the norm for the period. A BMIHT
>> certificate will be the only likely definitive answer, certainly if
>> you want proof.
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:12 PM, rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Readers,
>>>
>>> I got this question from a reader on www.allcarcentral.com - I do
>>> not know the answer - anyone out there know. Please let me and Dave
>>> know as well as the list.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rick Feibusch
>>> British Car Network
>>> www.allcarcentral.com
>>>
>>> The Question:
>>>
>>> I have a Austin Healey Sprite that is registered as a 1962 MK2, it
>>> has a chassis and motor matching this, but it has the body style,
>>> interior and suspension of a Sprite MK3. I have read that in 1963
>>> they made a small run of these prototypes for the 1964 MK 3.  Do I
>>> have a rare car and how can I prove it?
>>>
>>> Dave Spencer
>>> <spencerfamily1 at charter.net>,

From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Oct  7 02:28:28 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:28:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <4ACC081A.4080906@comcast.net>
References: <001b01ca46f3$2d211320$87633960$@net>
	<4ACC081A.4080906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ACC512C.4030208@justbrits.com>

Geesh Frank, ya didn't have to MENTION it !!!

<< I can't hear worth a damn but I have only been driving a top
down Sprite for 37 years.>>

My hearing is starting to wane but I started driving
drop-tops before you [49 years] <G>!!

But NOW I've got an excuse when Cindy says "Did
you HEAR me?" !!!!

"oh Honey, I guess my hearing is going because the
Brits say that driving 'top down' WAS bad for my
hearing!!"

LOL

THANKS, Buster !!!

From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  7 02:44:15 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <BCF47646E85E425F9858C51A8C5C584B@Home>
References: <cc7.5f9db6db.37fcdd01@aol.com>
	<BCF47646E85E425F9858C51A8C5C584B@Home>
Message-ID: <813329.2509.qm@web86510.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

My Sprites have no hair (although I could probably find some imported onto the
carpets.)




________________________________
From: Michael Rowe
<mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October,
2009 23:03:02
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72

> How about how
many on the list have hair?

That is truly offensive and has no place on this
car list!

Michael Rowe
Hairless
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From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Oct  7 03:12:30 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:12:30 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC ......old van youtube.
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910060218q6a86336iedb26cd24eabdcf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910060218q6a86336iedb26cd24eabdcf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC5B7E.2060102@justbrits.com>

<<List,I got this from another forums and had to share. Have any of you 
guys had one of these beauties? I remember by older brother had 2 of 
them the 70's one was when he lived in California and we drove to 
Tijuana, Mexico in 1975. It had wall to wall shag rug, round port hole 
windows, plastic simulated stain glass and wooden rails that normally go 
in a stair case banister . Boy she was ugly.

enjoy,
Linda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQblh6veP9M&feature=player_embedded

 >>

Lin, did you ALSO watch "Supervan (1977) Car Chase" ???

<VBG> !!!

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  7 07:15:19 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:15:19 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Even Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <971968.38162.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <971968.38162.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W20F3E7B8619805505D387CB8CD0@phx.gbl>

<Cliff Claven voice>

It's a hearing loss symptom.  It's a little known fact that some people with
hearing loss hear a ringing in their ears.  Some hear a roar.  I guess some
hear something inbetween.  You, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on
your tastes ... hear Tom Waits.  ;)



<Groucho voice>

So was the purpose of this post to brag that you have hair?  ;)


ED




> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:25:41 -0700
>
> --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire
> > up the ladybug and the radio craps out.
>
> Holy sh!t. I started my Bugeye tonight and the radio started playing "Jersey
Girl" by Tom Waits, but it kept cutting out. I read Frank's post, and the hair
on the back of my neck stood up when I realized my Bugeye doesn't HAVE a
radio...
>
> Ron

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  7 07:18:00 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:18:00 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric pump location-original
In-Reply-To: <200910061425244.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <20091006.102946.6931.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W464CA656947BDB1A5767FBB8CD0@phx.gbl>

Trying to confuse the left - right issue further?  :)

> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:25:48 -0500
> To: haynes386 at netzero.net; spridgets at autox.team.net
> From: peter at nosimport.com
>
> Mark,
> I sent you some pics off list. The car is still upside down
> if you need more detail.
> Peter
> =
> At 11:29 AM 10/6/2009, Mark Haynes wrote:
> >I've acquired an original positive ground SU fuel pump with bracketry to
do
> >away with the mechanical that boils fuel every 3 miles. Now I'm kind of at
a
> >loss as to where it was placed by the factory- Was it at the forward edge
of
> >the differential hump where the line runs forward, or was it on the rear
edge
> >o the diff hump, closer to the tank? All I own are pre'64 sprites, so I
> >haven't a clue.
> >Clueless in CO
> >
> >BTW- 'Impulse' is the first derivative of acceleration, as time approaches
> >zero, Jim and Ron.
> >
> >Mark Haynes
> >HAN6L12779
> >HAN5L8016

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 07:51:51 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 06:51:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <4ACC081A.4080906@comcast.net>
References: <001b01ca46f3$2d211320$87633960$@net>
	<4ACC081A.4080906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910070651t554e8cf9ieb336fab011213e9@mail.gmail.com>

Wind noise is something long known by motorcyclists as damaging to the
hearing. I have ear plugs. I don't use them at low speeds (below 40) around
town, but I do on the highway. I have experienced the tell-tale flutter
around the ears when driving the Midget at 65 mph so guess when I drive
longer distances I will use them in the Spridget too.

WHAT??!!!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> Robert Evans wrote:
>
>> Some say, "Yes!"
>>
>>
>>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6265762/Convertible-cars-coul
d-damage-hearing.html
>>
> NOW he tells me. I can't hear worth a damn but I have only been driving a
> top down Sprite for 37 years.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From haynes386 at netzero.net  Wed Oct  7 07:52:33 2009
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:52:33 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel pump Placement
Message-ID: <20091007.075233.13403.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded, both on and off list. especially Robert
Duquette and Peter Caldwell for their pictures, which have helped out
incredibly. Now I just need to check that the pump wprks appropriately and
install it.
Thanks again to everyone, the list is a great resource.


Mark Haynes
HAN6L12779
HAN5L8016

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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct  7 08:18:30 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5128E0C64197438C84017DF0E3DFBDFE@Home>

You are getting a radio signal from arching somewhere.  You have checked the 
big possibilities, so it must be something small.   Try plug wires - maybe 
just not tight.

Michael Rowe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet


> Now I hooked the radio up to the 67 and again it works fine but if I start 
> the Ladybug, the radio stutters, yes the cars are next to each other in 
> the garage, the radio is totally isolated from any Ladybug wiring but it 
> is in the console in the car, ground wire and all power wires 
> disconnected.
> I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the ladybug 
> and the radio craps out.
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct  7 10:02:14 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:02:14 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>
Message-ID: <C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

Movie theaters and kids are both much louder than 85db.

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct  7 10:19:28 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:19:28 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Turn signals
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910061118q1ed0b6c0yb31ff65e0884d444@mail.gmail.com>
References: <98CD9FFB1679453B9A27B527E6551CCC@Home>
	<43840a7e0910061118q1ed0b6c0yb31ff65e0884d444@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <408FE3AA313C4B95B20BE1F551DF4679@Home>

>I lost my turn signals, 

Problem found, not solved.

A jumper across the green wires at the hazard switch box confirmed a bad switch.  How to get it out without special pliers?  The barbs have poor access on one side and several varieties of profanity have failed.  Perhaps I should learn to swear in Chinese.  

It occurs to me that Chinese profanity might be useful for many other LBC problems as well.  Perhaps we should arrange for an online training course. I have friends from Taiwan and China who might contribute.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct  7 11:00:39 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:00:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Cancel Turn Signal
Message-ID: <6D037E19D54C4C12AAE594D76A71BA1B@Home>

Cancel!  It turns out there are two sets of barbs in the hazard switch.  One is a box that holds the whole thing in the consul; the other holds the switch mechanism in the box.  There is access to the barbs on the latter.  

So I cleaned up the switch and squirted some WD40 and the turn signals work fine.  Except the hazard circuit didn't work.  Turns out that the in-line fuse was on the floor, but the holder was closed.  What really, especially, super-dumb mechanic would close an empty fuse holder?

Super-Dumbie
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite kit
Long Island, NY

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct  7 11:03:31 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:03:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>,
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <4ACCC9E3.128.927476@kk7ss.verizon.net>

For reference purposes (from ASHA.ORG)

Painful

    150 dB = rock music peak
    140 dB = firearms, air raid siren, jet engine
    130 dB = jackhammer
    120 dB = jet plane take-off, amplified rock music at 4-6 ft., car 
stereo, band practice

Extremely Loud

    110 dB = rock music, model airplane
    106 dB = timpani and bass drum rolls
    100 dB = snowmobile, chain saw, pneumatic drill
    90 dB = lawnmower, shop tools, truck traffic, subway


On 7 Oct 2009 at 9:02, Billy Zoom wrote:

>> Movie theaters and kids are both much louder than 85db.
>> _______________________________________________

--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From richb at u.washington.edu  Wed Oct  7 11:03:35 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Turn signals
References: <98CD9FFB1679453B9A27B527E6551CCC@Home><43840a7e0910061118q1ed0b6c0yb31ff65e0884d444@mail.gmail.com>
	<408FE3AA313C4B95B20BE1F551DF4679@Home>
Message-ID: <277E880661084F80880EA85ABB1500C2@psych.washington.edu>

Michael

Once you get it out of the consol try removing the toggle and cleaning the 
contacts before you replace it.  It's a simple design inside, 6 little 
button contacts and an H shaped lever that rockes up or down making contact 
when the toggle is rocked into the on possition.  Mine had failed completely 
when I removed it.  Cleaned the contacts and it has worked perfect since.

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: "Spridget Chat Group" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Turn signals


> >I lost my turn signals,
>
> Problem found, not solved.
>
> A jumper across the green wires at the hazard switch box confirmed a bad 
> switch.  How to get it out without special pliers?  The barbs have poor 
> access on one side and several varieties of profanity have failed. 
> Perhaps I should learn to swear in Chinese.
>
> It occurs to me that Chinese profanity might be useful for many other LBC 
> problems as well.  Perhaps we should arrange for an online training 
> course. I have friends from Taiwan and China who might contribute.
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct  7 11:04:34 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:04:34 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>,
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <4ACCCA22.8102.93697E@kk7ss.verizon.net>

For referecne purposes (from ASHA>ORG)

Painful

    150 dB = rock music peak
    140 dB = firearms, air raid siren, jet engine
    130 dB = jackhammer
    120 dB = jet plane take-off, amplified rock music at 4-6 ft., car 
stereo, band practice

Extremely Loud

    110 dB = rock music, model airplane
    106 dB = timpani and bass drum rolls
    100 dB = snowmobile, chain saw, pneumatic drill
    90 dB = lawnmower, shop tools, truck traffic, subway

On 7 Oct 2009 at 9:02, Billy Zoom wrote:

>> Movie theaters and kids are both much louder than 85db.

--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct  7 11:50:23 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:50:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Cancel Turn Signal
In-Reply-To: <402188520910071034l30159d83md8ee6fcd57ffd9bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D037E19D54C4C12AAE594D76A71BA1B@Home>
	<402188520910071034l30159d83md8ee6fcd57ffd9bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6CEF26C230A48FE885093DB879BCEFD@Home>

As anyone on this list will understand, repairing the hazard switch to 
perfect working condition cause the headlights, but not the tail lights, to 
go out.  That is a completely different circuit.  Before, I had a right-left 
problem.  Now I have a front-back problem.  I think I didn't realy fix 
anything; I just rotated it 90 degrees.

Michael Rowe 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  7 11:53:01 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:53:01 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <4ACCCA22.8102.93697E@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>,
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com> 
Message-ID: <BAY112-W29979C38CDD5114D5E7FF2B8CD0@phx.gbl>

I've been around almost all of those.  Do you add up the totals and say it out
loud and if you can hear yourself then you're not stone deaf?



That list is out of date though.  You have to get them to add in
convertibles!! ;)

> From: kk7ss at verizon.net
>
> For referecne purposes (from ASHA>ORG)
>
> Painful
>
> 150 dB = rock music peak
> 140 dB = firearms, air raid siren, jet engine
> 130 dB = jackhammer
> 120 dB = jet plane take-off, amplified rock music at 4-6 ft., car
> stereo, band practice
>
> Extremely Loud
>
> 110 dB = rock music, model airplane
> 106 dB = timpani and bass drum rolls
> 100 dB = snowmobile, chain saw, pneumatic drill
> 90 dB = lawnmower, shop tools, truck traffic, subway
>
> On 7 Oct 2009 at 9:02, Billy Zoom wrote:
>
> >> Movie theaters and kids are both much louder than 85db.
>
> --
> Dave G. KK7SS Richland, WA
> '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
> '65 MK III A-H Sprite
> '76 MKIV 1500 Midget

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct  7 12:06:55 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:06:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Turn signals
In-Reply-To: <408FE3AA313C4B95B20BE1F551DF4679@Home>
Message-ID: <C6F226CF.21341%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

Barbed English switches that snap in are considered disposable. You cut the
barbs and replace the switch. If you can get to one set of barbs, see if you
can push the side in with a screw driver and get one end to pop out. Then
just keep wiggling.  Marshalls at least leave room for your fingers.

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:17:19 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:17:19 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910071117g744892fev6b1e519e9998b4f4@mail.gmail.com>

Switch to 'resistor' type spark plugs.Herb

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> Now I hooked the radio up to the 67 and again it works fine but if I start
> the Ladybug, the radio stutters, yes the cars are next to each other in the
> garage, the radio is totally isolated from any Ladybug wiring but it is in
> the console in the car, ground wire and all power wires disconnected.
> I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the ladybug
> and the radio craps out.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  7 12:17:58 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:17:58 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Cancel Turn Signal
In-Reply-To: <B6CEF26C230A48FE885093DB879BCEFD@Home>
References: <6D037E19D54C4C12AAE594D76A71BA1B@Home>
	<402188520910071034l30159d83md8ee6fcd57ffd9bf@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <BAY112-W8085F3F6EDF888F84701FB8CD0@phx.gbl>

Next will be diagonal.  :)

> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:50:23 -0400
>
> As anyone on this list will understand, repairing the hazard switch to
> perfect working condition cause the headlights, but not the tail lights, to
> go out. That is a completely different circuit. Before, I had a right-left
> problem. Now I have a front-back problem. I think I didn't realy fix
> anything; I just rotated it 90 degrees.
>
> Michael Rowe

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:18:28 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:18:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Weirder yet
In-Reply-To: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
References: <4ACBE5EB.2010109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910071118t947aecfi1da359333a4d15dc@mail.gmail.com>

Forgot to remove....
What I said was:

Switch to 'resistor' type spark plugs.

Herb

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> Now I hooked the radio up to the 67 and again it works fine but if I start
> the Ladybug, the radio stutters, yes the cars are next to each other in the
> garage, the radio is totally isolated from any Ladybug wiring but it is in
> the console in the car, ground wire and all power wires disconnected.
> I can start the 67 and it's fine keep the 67 running fire up the ladybug
> and the radio craps out.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites


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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  7 12:50:47 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:50:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <4ACCC9E3.128.927476@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>,
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<4ACCC9E3.128.927476@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <9793ED11B16F4C9080D552E94180E235@HomePC>

From: "Dave G." <kk7ss at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:03 PM
To: "spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?

For reference purposes (from ASHA.ORG)

Painful

    150 dB = rock music peak
    140 dB = firearms, air raid siren, jet engine
    130 dB = jackhammer
    120 dB = jet plane take-off, amplified rock music at 4-6 ft., car
stereo, band practice

Extremely Loud

    110 dB = rock music, model airplane
    106 dB = timpani and bass drum rolls
    100 dB = snowmobile, chain saw, pneumatic drill
    90 dB = lawnmower, shop tools, truck traffic, subway


===================

I know that having a gun shot blast going right into your ear from less than 
10 feet away will cause you to lose nearly 100% of your hearing only to be 
replaced by a never-ending ringing.  At least it hasn't ended in 26 years so 
far.

Peter C. has to have me remind him which ear I can't hear out of so that he 
can sit on the other side and not have to repeat everything he says a couple 
times.   ;-)

LAD

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:54:10 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:54:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W29979C38CDD5114D5E7FF2B8CD0@phx.gbl>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<4ACCCA22.8102.93697E@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<BAY112-W29979C38CDD5114D5E7FF2B8CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910071154n60f1bcf6g51eeba43a146d8e8@mail.gmail.com>

WHAT???!!!!

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:53 AM, <robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I've been around almost all of those.  Do you add up the totals and say it
> out
> loud and if you can hear yourself then you're not stone deaf?
>
>
>
> That list is out of date though.  You have to get them to add in
> convertibles!! ;)
>
> > From: kk7ss at verizon.net
> >
> > For referecne purposes (from ASHA>ORG)
> >
> > Painful
> >
> > 150 dB = rock music peak
> > 140 dB = firearms, air raid siren, jet engine
> > 130 dB = jackhammer
> > 120 dB = jet plane take-off, amplified rock music at 4-6 ft., car
> > stereo, band practice
> >
> > Extremely Loud
> >
> > 110 dB = rock music, model airplane
> > 106 dB = timpani and bass drum rolls
> > 100 dB = snowmobile, chain saw, pneumatic drill
> > 90 dB = lawnmower, shop tools, truck traffic, subway
> >
> > On 7 Oct 2009 at 9:02, Billy Zoom wrote:
> >
> > >> Movie theaters and kids are both much louder than 85db.
> >
> > --
> > Dave G. KK7SS Richland, WA
> > '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
> > '65 MK III A-H Sprite
> > '76 MKIV 1500 Midget
> _______________________________________________
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Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Wed Oct  7 12:56:14 2009
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (andrewpayne at intrex.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:56:14 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Cancel Turn Signal
Message-ID: <371032402-1254941757-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-522394161-@bda885.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Could you orient the switch so that it is an up and down problem? This could eliminate the problem except on hills.
Drew
------Original Message------
From: Michael Rowe
Sender: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cancel Turn Signal
Sent: Oct 7, 2009 1:50 PM

As anyone on this list will understand, repairing the hazard switch to 
perfect working condition cause the headlights, but not the tail lights, to 
go out.  That is a completely different circuit.  Before, I had a right-left 
problem.  Now I have a front-back problem.  I think I didn't realy fix 
anything; I just rotated it 90 degrees.

Michael Rowe 
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  7 12:57:18 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:57:18 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910071154n60f1bcf6g51eeba43a146d8e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
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 	 <4ACCCA22.8102.93697E at kk7ss.verizon.net>

 	 <BAY112-W29979C38CDD5114D5E7FF2B8CD0 at phx.gbl>
 

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Jim!
=20
It shouldn't be a big surprise that you can't hear the writing.  :)
=20
Robert

________________________________
> Date: Wed=2C 7 Oct 2009 11:54:10 -0700
>
> WHAT???!!!!
>
> On Wed=2C Oct 7=2C 2009 at 10:53 AM=2C> wrote:
>
> I've been around almost all of those. Do you add up the totals and say it=
 out
>
> loud and if you can hear yourself then you're not stone deaf?
>

> That list is out of date though. You have to get them to add in
>
> convertibles!! =3B)
>
>
>
>> From: kk7ss at verizon.net 		 	   		  =

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Wed Oct  7 13:22:29 2009
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:22:29 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Does this car come in Monkey Butt Red?
Message-ID: <0252AC1D426A40F7B6717F0436D44AD5@AndrewHP>

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/toyota-finds-curious-inspiration-
for-ft-86-color/

 

As the old saying goes, "I don't believe I'd a told that!"

Drew

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  7 13:24:31 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:24:31 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <9793ED11B16F4C9080D552E94180E235@HomePC>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>,
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W94A46389F34B320E239EFB8CD0@phx.gbl>

If it's ringing, why don't you just answer it?  ;)



Could be worse!

http://www.silere.com/NY%20Times_Tinnitus.pdf





> From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net

> ===================
>
> I know that having a gun shot blast going right into your ear from less than
> 10 feet away will cause you to lose nearly 100% of your hearing only to be
> replaced by a never-ending ringing. At least it hasn't ended in 26 years so
> far.
>
> Peter C. has to have me remind him which ear I can't hear out of so that he
> can sit on the other side and not have to repeat everything he says a couple
> times. ;-)
>
> LAD

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 14:43:01 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:43:01 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W46BC200FFEDDF8EB64C64FB8CD0@phx.gbl>
References: <24036709-B6DE-4736-93B0-3AB69A081A9B@me.com>
	<C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<43840a7e0910071154n60f1bcf6g51eeba43a146d8e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY112-W46BC200FFEDDF8EB64C64FB8CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910071343k32234f17p8394c9d190a90836@mail.gmail.com>

The worst part is that I can't write the hearing either!!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM, <robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote:

>         <4ACCCA22.8102.93697E at kk7ss.verizon.net>
>
>         <BAY112-W29979C38CDD5114D5E7FF2B8CD0 at phx.gbl>
>
>
>  <43840a7e0910071154n60f1bcf6g51eeba43a146d8e8 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> MIME-Version: 1.0
>
>
> Jim!
> =20
> It shouldn't be a big surprise that you can't hear the writing.  :)
> =20
> Robert
>
> ________________________________
> > Date: Wed=2C 7 Oct 2009 11:54:10 -0700
> >
> > WHAT???!!!!
> >
> > On Wed=2C Oct 7=2C 2009 at 10:53 AM=2C> wrote:
> >
> > I've been around almost all of those. Do you add up the totals and say
> it=
>  out
> >
> > loud and if you can hear yourself then you're not stone deaf?
> >
>
> > That list is out of date though. You have to get them to add in
> >
> > convertibles!! =3B)
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: kk7ss at verizon.net                                        =
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Wed Oct  7 15:11:59 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:11:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
In-Reply-To: <C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6F20996.21326%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <4ACD041F.3050802@comcast.net>

Billy Zoom wrote:
> Movie theaters and kids are both much louder than 85db.
>
>   
And what about the kids today in the whomp-whomp cars?
They rattle my windows on my house! I bet they will all be def by the 
time they are 30.
Wait, some are already 30, I thought he was just ignoring me when I spoke.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From hmortada at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 15:51:44 2009
From: hmortada at aol.com (hmortada at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:51:44 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] help/advice
Message-ID: <8CC15AF7F0C73F4-2DB4-13883@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

Hey List, I am in the process
of putting together my 79 Midget. The car is being painted at the body
shop now and I am doing the parts assembly myslef. I am in the process
of re-assembling the windshiled back together with new glass and
rubber, etc.. Any suggestions or recommendations on what do I need to
use, should I use any silicone between the frame and the rubber or just
assemble it with only the rubber? When I took the old one out there was
alot of silicone and other gummy looking copunds in the frame. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

Thank you!

Hadi

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Wed Oct  7 18:18:00 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:18:00 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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FWIW, My dad owned Pontiacs for Years, My first drive over 100mph was in his
67 FIrbird (he never know, I hope). I trashed his 70's Grand Am playing catch
with a dirt bike, When he passed last year he had a 05 Bonneville SSei. Dad
would be saddened to see Pontiac go.

Larry

On Oct 6, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Bud Osbourne wrote:

> Pontiacs have always been kind of special to me.  When I was a little kid,
back in the 50s, our next door neighbor owned a Pontiac dealership.  Always
lots of new Pontiacs coming and going, and with a few of them coming to live
in my family's garage.  One of them, a '57 Star Chief (or was it a Super
Chief???)Safari wagon, special ordered by Mrs. Weaver (agency was Ray E Weaver
Pontiac, in Etna, just outside of Pittsburgh) became my mom's all-time
favorite car, which we kept for many, many years and was the car in which I
passed my driver's license test in.
> LBC connection, here: Mr. Weaver and my dad became pretty good friends and,
any time he took a LBC in on trade, it was brought home for my dad to play
with.  So, at a very impressionable age, I got to ride around in some really
sweet MGs and Triumphs (never any Healeys taken in on trade :( and at least
one Jaguar.  These trade-ins, which Mr. Weaver brought home for my dad to play
with (he couldn't get my mom to go along with buying one, however) infected me
with the sports car disease.....BIG TIME........and I've never recovered,
thank God.
> I, for one, will miss Pontiacs being produced, even though I've never
personally owned one.
> Bud Osbourne
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner"
<grunthaner at gmail.com>
> To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:09 AM
> Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
>
>> List,I have always owned ether a Pontiac or a Saturn I am officially in
>> mourning over the end of both the Pontiac & the Saturn and the parts
>> department.
>> Now  can add my Saturn to the rest of my vintage cars and rotate as I
order
>> parts from everywhere if I can get them. Sounds like the 67 VW will be my
>> daily driver at this rate.
>> Lin
>>
>> 62 Pink Go-Cart
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you're a fool for the rest of your life.

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Wed Oct  7 18:27:53 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:27:53 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear in America's redneck country
In-Reply-To: <d3e.4aaf248f.37fcdcb9@aol.com>
References: <d3e.4aaf248f.37fcdcb9@aol.com>
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Jimmy's Sprite is currently hosted at the British Motor Museum in Builie (sp).
They had a Top Gear tent set up that contained the cars from the "Make it
Float", "Make a Limo" (including an MGF stretch with bowling alley) and
"Double Decker Racing" (Steering on top, pedals on bottom) shows. Outside the
tent was the Sprite. Having just been astounded buy the price for the Sebring
Racer I planned on getting a shot of the Sprite with the sign for the price
(all the other cars were for sale for 2.3 million pounds) But it was listed as
"Not For Sale"

I'll be posting some pics of my trip to England in a few days so all can have
fun. Was a fast trip to spend time with Best Man Reggie and his bride. No
traveling around the country. Well Except that big pile of rocks near
Salisbury.

Larry

On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:47 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote:

> He recently became a Spridget owner and didn't slag the car off even though
> it stuck in 3rd gear or something.  On the other hand he's too ignorant to
> know that possibly some of those Morris Marina's the programme destroyed
> might  have yielded a spare inline A-series engine.
>
> Weslake-Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 06/10/2009 02:53:56 GMT Daylight Time,
> dlh2001 at comcast.net writes:
>
> If I met  up with Jeremy Clarkson,
>> would I buy him a beer or beat him to death  with a baseball bat?"
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Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and
screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Wed Oct  7 18:32:48 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:32:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] brake physics part 72
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910061517n6915b19ete8f54c0d9c81871f@mail.gmail.com>
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Hair lines are not currently one of my big problems.

Larry

On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Jim Johnson wrote:

> So do a few of the others. They keep them on a shelf in the closet....
;-)
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:
>
>>> How about how many on the list have hair?
>> I'm 61, and I still have my award winning pompadour.
>> BZ
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:03:48 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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Great story Larry.  'Dad' had good taste in rides.

I've had two Pontiacs...65 GTO in '67, & '67 'Bird' with 215 OHC 6 I
purchased in '73.  Yep, she'd do over 100.

Love the SSei.

What have others on the list had in the way of Pontiacs???  Let's hear from
you.

Herb

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> FWIW, My dad owned Pontiacs for Years, My first drive over 100mph was in
> his
> 67 FIrbird (he never know, I hope). I trashed his 70's Grand Am playing
> catch
> with a dirt bike, When he passed last year he had a 05 Bonneville SSei. Dad
> would be saddened to see Pontiac go.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  7 19:09:38 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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Hah!  Larry, we have more in common than our first name.  When I was a punk 
kid, my father foolishly allowed me to drive his 70 Bonneville with the 400 
CID motor.  Naturally, I gathered three of my most foolish car crazy buddies 
and we took it out to see how fast it would go (as we always did with any 
car we could get our hands on).  We buried the 120 speedo and pegged it 
around 130 long before we hit the bump in the road that popped the car up in 
the air hard enough to make the fool in the back seat who didn't put on a 
seatbelt hit his head really hard on the roof.

The car he had before that was a 65 Catalina with a 389 and tri-power and a 
4.11 posi.  I never had the privilege of beating that one as he bought the 
70 within days of me getting my license.

I have no idea why I have lived to see this day.

Dad had Ponchos for a long, long time.  He would have mourned the passing, 
too.

LAD

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Larry Macy" <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:18 PM
To: "Bud Osbourne" <abcoz at hky.com>
Cc: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December 
2009 .....I'm in mourning

FWIW, My dad owned Pontiacs for Years, My first drive over 100mph was in his
67 FIrbird (he never know, I hope). I trashed his 70's Grand Am playing 
catch
with a dirt bike, When he passed last year he had a 05 Bonneville SSei. Dad
would be saddened to see Pontiac go.

Larry

On Oct 6, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Bud Osbourne wrote:

> Pontiacs have always been kind of special to me.  When I was a little kid,
back in the 50s, our next door neighbor owned a Pontiac dealership.  Always
lots of new Pontiacs coming and going, and with a few of them coming to live
in my family's garage.  One of them, a '57 Star Chief (or was it a Super
Chief???)Safari wagon, special ordered by Mrs. Weaver (agency was Ray E 
Weaver
Pontiac, in Etna, just outside of Pittsburgh) became my mom's all-time
favorite car, which we kept for many, many years and was the car in which I
passed my driver's license test in.
> LBC connection, here: Mr. Weaver and my dad became pretty good friends 
> and,
any time he took a LBC in on trade, it was brought home for my dad to play
with.  So, at a very impressionable age, I got to ride around in some really
sweet MGs and Triumphs (never any Healeys taken in on trade :( and at least
one Jaguar.  These trade-ins, which Mr. Weaver brought home for my dad to 
play
with (he couldn't get my mom to go along with buying one, however) infected 
me
with the sports car disease.....BIG TIME........and I've never recovered,
thank God.
> I, for one, will miss Pontiacs being produced, even though I've never
personally owned one.
> Bud Osbourne
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner"
<grunthaner at gmail.com>
> To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:09 AM
> Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
>
>> List,I have always owned ether a Pontiac or a Saturn I am officially in
>> mourning over the end of both the Pontiac & the Saturn and the parts
>> department.
>> Now  can add my Saturn to the rest of my vintage cars and rotate as I
order
>> parts from everywhere if I can get them. Sounds like the 67 VW will be my
>> daily driver at this rate.
>> Lin
>>
>> 62 Pink Go-Cart
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:28:51 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:28:51 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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68 GTO purchased at 17, 400 HO 360 hp. 3 speed. LSD. Still in the garage,
whilst I play with Sprites.....

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:03 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great story Larry.  'Dad' had good taste in rides.
>
> I've had two Pontiacs...65 GTO in '67, & '67 'Bird' with 215 OHC 6 I
> purchased in '73.  Yep, she'd do over 100.
>
> Love the SSei.
>
> What have others on the list had in the way of Pontiacs???  Let's hear from
> you.
>
> Herb
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
>
> > FWIW, My dad owned Pontiacs for Years, My first drive over 100mph was in
> > his
> > 67 FIrbird (he never know, I hope). I trashed his 70's Grand Am playing
> > catch
> > with a dirt bike, When he passed last year he had a 05 Bonneville SSei.
> Dad
> > would be saddened to see Pontiac go.
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 19:31:37 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:31:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] F-prod race
Message-ID: <851381.34748.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Runoffs at Road America. Great race - Steve Sargis got hosed lap1, turn 6. I saw him set the FP record at Blackhawk this year in his Spitfire - 1:17. Amazing.

http://speedcasttv.com/scca/#/races/80

Ron

From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 19:37:55 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:37:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910071803t689c57a4vebf5b7c051f054a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <661532.47198.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> What have others on the list had in the way of
> Pontiacs???  Let's hear from
> you.

First real road trip - age 7, coming back from a year in Palos Verdes CA to Long Island NY in my parents' 1973 Pontiac Grand Safari 9 passenger wagon with a 455 V8, clamshell rear tailgate. To quote a song about another GM brand - Tearin' up the highway like a big old dinosaur....

Ron

From millerls at ado13.com  Wed Oct  7 19:37:50 2009
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:37:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910071803t689c57a4vebf5b7c051f054a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910060309j4ea17885vf543d212db411982@mail.gmail.com>
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My first brand new car ordered from the factory was a 1966 GTO tri- 
power 389. My second brand new car was also a Pontiac, a 1970 formula  
400. Shipped the GTO to Hawaii and sold it to a local cop in Honolulu.  
Cops in Honolulu received an allowance to provide their own car and  
most had muscle cars of some type.

The real Larry

From george.brokaw at cox.net  Wed Oct  7 19:40:00 2009
From: george.brokaw at cox.net (Paul Herder)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:40:00 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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References: <205cef430910060309j4ea17885vf543d212db411982@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <072201ca47b8$42eeeef0$c8ccccd0$@brokaw@cox.net>

I have owned every year and almost every model of each year of the Pontiac
Fiero (at one time or another... not at the same time!)

15 seconds of fame... My 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT in its Ferr at ri 308 clothes,
got into Kitcar magazine (May 1996). :)

Paul

-----Original Message-----

Great story Larry.  'Dad' had good taste in rides.

I've had two Pontiacs...65 GTO in '67, & '67 'Bird' with 215 OHC 6 I
purchased in '73.  Yep, she'd do over 100.

Love the SSei.

What have others on the list had in the way of Pontiacs???  Let's hear from
you.

Herb

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> FWIW, My dad owned Pontiacs for Years, My first drive over 100mph was in
> his
> 67 FIrbird (he never know, I hope). I trashed his 70's Grand Am playing
> catch
> with a dirt bike, When he passed last year he had a 05 Bonneville SSei.
Dad
> would be saddened to see Pontiac go.
_______________________________________________

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:53:57 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:53:57 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <F970689D-9D71-45DE-9F3B-2E72B8DB9919@ado13.com>
References: <205cef430910060309j4ea17885vf543d212db411982@mail.gmail.com>
	<F138254398ED4652A480BFB4C60F16E9@OwnerPC>
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Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910071853p26eaae25i6f24cfcde7856603@mail.gmail.com>

All Honolulu cops (well, I say "all") drove bitchin' muscle cars.  Like
Larry said, "...received an allowance..."

When 'on duty', they would snap in their blue light, center of their roof;
you could see 'em coming.

Herb...who lived a couple blocks off Waikiki, '70-'73, drove a 240Z and rode
a "Triumph"...yes, I said Triumph...10 speed.  Did I mention the Speedo?
Ah, those were the days....




On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Larry & Sandi Miller <millerls at ado13.com>wrote:

> My first brand new car ordered from the factory was a 1966 GTO tri-power
> 389. My second brand new car was also a Pontiac, a 1970 formula 400. Shipped
> the GTO to Hawaii and sold it to a local cop in Honolulu. Cops in Honolulu
> received an allowance to provide their own car and most had muscle cars of
> some type.
>
> The real Larry
>



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:56:42 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:56:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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I remember seeing an article on that 'kit'...that was you?!?

How kool is that!

Herb

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Paul Herder <george.brokaw at cox.net> wrote:

> I have owned every year and almost every model of each year of the Pontiac
> Fiero (at one time or another... not at the same time!)
>
> 15 seconds of fame... My 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT in its Ferr at ri 308 clothes,
> got into Kitcar magazine (May 1996). :)
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Great story Larry.  'Dad' had good taste in rides.
>
> I've had two Pontiacs...65 GTO in '67, & '67 'Bird' with 215 OHC 6 I
> purchased in '73.  Yep, she'd do over 100.
>
> Love the SSei.
>
> What have others on the list had in the way of Pontiacs???  Let's hear from
> you.
>
> Herb
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
>
> > FWIW, My dad owned Pontiacs for Years, My first drive over 100mph was in
> > his
> > 67 FIrbird (he never know, I hope). I trashed his 70's Grand Am playing
> > catch
> > with a dirt bike, When he passed last year he had a 05 Bonneville SSei.
> Dad
> > would be saddened to see Pontiac go.
> _______________________________________________
>
>


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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct  7 20:37:48 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:37:48 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <B12616BA-FCCE-43E0-A04D-35AE8D1E6166@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <C6F29E8C.2137F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>  Pontiacs
I've always associated them with ex-convicts and getaways.
Except for GTO's...they were rich frat boy toys, much like the big Healeys.

From billmasq at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  7 21:08:47 2009
From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:08:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910071828i673eb021i8a7588f683a612a@mail.gmail.com>
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In the AirForce at Edwards AFB (in '72) I had a '65 Lemans with a 326 & 2speed
slushmatic. It went 126 on the way into Lancaster (2000foot drop in 30 miles)
but wouldn't break 120 going back home, got nearly 10 mpg at those speeds.
Bill

> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:28:51 -0500
> From: tequila.brad at gmail.com
> To: froggi60 at gmail.com
> CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
> 68 GTO purchased at 17, 400 HO 360 hp. 3 speed. LSD. Still in the garage,
> whilst I play with Sprites.....
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:03 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Great story Larry.  'Dad' had good taste in rides.
> >
> > I've had two Pontiacs...65 GTO in '67, & '67 'Bird' with 215 OHC 6 I
> > purchased in '73.  Yep, she'd do over 100.
> >
> > Love the SSei.
> >
> > What have others on the list had in the way of Pontiacs???  Let's hear
from
> > you.
> >
> > Herb
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > FWIW, My dad owned Pontiacs for Years, My first drive over 100mph was
in
> > > his
> > > 67 FIrbird (he never know, I hope). I trashed his 70's Grand Am playing
> > > catch
> > > with a dirt bike, When he passed last year he had a 05 Bonneville SSei.
> > Dad
> > > would be saddened to see Pontiac go.
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From frog.aye at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 21:18:29 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:18:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FROG AYE, WARNING: LBC CONTENT
Message-ID: <4333f8140910072018q2ea65cd0h925fd5663ba179b5@mail.gmail.com>

O.K. Spridgeteers,
I finally decided I needed to get off my rear and make some progress on FROG
AYE.  Ordered a 5 Speed kit from Paul A.  Sent the head off for ceramic
coating.  Ordered a MegaSquirt and wide band O2 sensor.  I will be doing
some serious work in the next months and will undoubtedly have many
questions for the list.
Specs will be as follows:
1275 bored 20 over.  Head ported and and valves deshrouded.  MiniCooper S
sized rimflo valves, 1.5 roller rockers, SPVP3 cam with belt drive.
Initially, I plan to use the MegaSquirt to control the spark but am trying
to figure out how to turn my extra set of HS2s into throttle bodies with
injectors. Why not use HS4s or some other dedicated throttle bodies, you
ask?  Well 'cuz I have the HS2s and 1.25" manifold, and filters,....  Right
now I have little blobs of solder all over my desk (well, not exactly but I
have started construction on the MegaSquirt.)
I will keep you all posted just in case there is a dearth of frivololus
threads on the list.
Hal

From millerls at ado13.com  Wed Oct  7 23:08:24 2009
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:08:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <C6F29E8C.2137F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6F29E8C.2137F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <ABFB839D-59B2-4854-9E51-D7D161663EFF@ado13.com>

Boy BZ, when you are wrong you are really wrong. ROTFLMAOPRDML.
On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Billy Zoom wrote:

>> Pontiacs
> I've always associated them with ex-convicts and getaways.
> Except for GTO's...they were rich frat boy toys, much like the big  
> Healeys.

From wmseverin at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 04:49:05 2009
From: wmseverin at charter.net (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] SOS '09 the Erection broadcast this weekend
Message-ID: <003801ca4804$f512f5d0$df38e170$@net>

SOS the Erection will take place this Saturday and Sunday in Princeton, WI.
Among many other things, we'll be erecting a MaxJax lift in the shop. 

 

The event will be broadcast via Yahoo Messenger in real time, with the
ability for the viewing audience to watch via webcam speak to us in real
time.

 

Do view the broadcast, add "floundervision" to your contact list on Yahoo
Messenger. You'll be invited to a conference Sat & Sun.

 

If you'd like to attend in person, please contact me offline for directions.


 

WST 

From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 07:42:21 2009
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <ABFB839D-59B2-4854-9E51-D7D161663EFF@ado13.com>
References: <C6F29E8C.2137F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
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My first Pontiac was a '69 Grand Prix - 400 cubic inches of speed and
luxury with a heater that you could probably use to bake cookies in
the car.  Wish I'd kept that one but really didn't like to feed it.

Finally got around to buying my first, then second new Pontiac in
2003.  Crashed my Civic and bought a Vibe. After my brother complained
the Vibe was ugly I went right out and added an Aztek to the driveway.
 Sent the Vibe down the road a few years later but plan on keeping the
Aztek a long time.  It rides great, has tons of room, gets respectable
mileage and as expected has terrible resale value!  ;-)

http://forums.genvibe.com/zerofile/1901/17cropped.JPG

I'd have much preferred to see Buick go away instead of Pontiac.
Better yet why idn't they just shut down GMC - what do they have that
Chevy doesn't (albeit in a lower trim package)?

From richb at u.washington.edu  Thu Oct  8 09:59:29 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:59:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 for sale in Seattle
Message-ID: <E804C903E82D4F9098683E718B39A5B8@psych.washington.edu>

A friend from the local Seattle MG club has a 1275 he is looking to sell.  He
describes it as "race built" ?  Contact me off list for more information.

No financial Interest.

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa

From richb at u.washington.edu  Thu Oct  8 10:17:59 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:17:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
References: <661532.47198.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A8A044E51BCC4419B04A772762C23F47@psych.washington.edu>

My first car was a 1968 Firebird with a 350 and Powerslide transmission. 
Bought it as the second owner from my Grandparents friends (in Palos Verdes) 
in 1980.  Great car to have as a High School student.  Wish I still had it. 
Quite a bit different than the '71 VW van I learned to drive in.  I think 
all new drivers should have to learn to drive in an underpowered big 'ol 
show box on wheels.  I kind of miss that VW also.

Rich Ball
'76 midget
Everett, Wa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December 
2009 .....I'm in mourning


> --- On Wed, 10/7/09, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What have others on the list had in the way of
>> Pontiacs???  Let's hear from
>> you.
>
> First real road trip - age 7, coming back from a year in Palos Verdes CA 
> to Long Island NY in my parents' 1973 Pontiac Grand Safari 9 passenger 
> wagon with a 455 V8, clamshell rear tailgate. To quote a song about 
> another GM brand - Tearin' up the highway like a big old dinosaur....
>
> Ron
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Thu Oct  8 10:18:31 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:18:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Wiring for Newbies
Message-ID: <4C567589033B4F68B5136D4F3E3074B4@Home>

Note to newbies:

Many of the wiring sockets under the dash have internal works held in by barbs.  If a barb fails as you are fussing with the wires, the individual connectors can pull out just enough that the connection is broken, but not far enough that you can see that it has pulled out.  If you have a loss of power in odd places after fussing under the dash, check those barbed connectors first.

Michael Rowe, Newbie
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite kit
Long Island, NY

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Thu Oct  8 10:29:19 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:29:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
Message-ID: <D3A8E3309B304318894639237361B05E@Home>

This morning, the transmission fell out of first gear hard at fairly high rpm, probably because it was not fully engaged.  (I just installed a rubber-bulb bicycle horn on the shifter, a gift from one of my daughters.)  Now I have a rattle when the clutch pedal is just slightly depressed, not enough to either engage or disengage the plate.  Have I knocked off one of the release bearing retaining clips?  Is it even possible to do that?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget

From richb at u.washington.edu  Thu Oct  8 11:05:36 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:05:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FROG AYE, WARNING: LBC CONTENT
References: <4333f8140910072018q2ea65cd0h925fd5663ba179b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77EFC02D04C44C55874705F1747330B9@psych.washington.edu>

Hal

Check out Rick Patton's website for ideas.  He has an TB adapter for the HS6 
and Zenith Stromberg Carbs and looks like he is working on others.

http://www.pattonmachine.com/

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hal Faulkner" <frog.aye at gmail.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] FROG AYE, WARNING: LBC CONTENT


> O.K. Spridgeteers,
> I finally decided I needed to get off my rear and make some progress on 
> FROG
> AYE.  Ordered a 5 Speed kit from Paul A.  Sent the head off for ceramic
> coating.  Ordered a MegaSquirt and wide band O2 sensor.  I will be doing
> some serious work in the next months and will undoubtedly have many
> questions for the list.
> Specs will be as follows:
> 1275 bored 20 over.  Head ported and and valves deshrouded.  MiniCooper S
> sized rimflo valves, 1.5 roller rockers, SPVP3 cam with belt drive.
> Initially, I plan to use the MegaSquirt to control the spark but am trying
> to figure out how to turn my extra set of HS2s into throttle bodies with
> injectors. Why not use HS4s or some other dedicated throttle bodies, you
> ask?  Well 'cuz I have the HS2s and 1.25" manifold, and filters,.... 
> Right
> now I have little blobs of solder all over my desk (well, not exactly but 
> I
> have started construction on the MegaSquirt.)
> I will keep you all posted just in case there is a dearth of frivololus
> threads on the list.
> Hal
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  8 11:44:07 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:44:07 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <A8A044E51BCC4419B04A772762C23F47@psych.washington.edu>
References: <661532.47198.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>

Not much of a story, but the first car that I drove was a '68 Pontiac
Parisienne with a 327.  My mother drove my sister and I down to the local
ballpark which had a dirt lane around it and let us practice our driving.  It
didn't take me long to start drifting and she quietly excused herself from the
car and went and sat under a tree and read a book.  It would do at least 105
on the highway.



RD

From jfishbein at snet.net  Thu Oct  8 12:20:09 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:20:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4498.70790.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Pontiac followed the lead of their other divisions that produced something
advanced, by killing-off the Fiero. (Sure it had it's teething problems in the
beginning.)

That was the last Pontiac that caught my attention. (Unless I include the
Aztec which caught my attention for all the wrong reasons.)

GM needs only two nameplates: Chevrolet and Cadillac, unless you insist on
breaking-out GMC for a dedicated truck division. Buick sells in China which is
at a minimum, our revenge revenge on the Chinese.

I would even suggest that they consider whether all factory stores should be
able to sell products from every division and be done with it.

jay fishbein
wallingford, ct

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, robertduquette at sympatico.ca <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Not much of a story, but the first car that I drove was a '68 Pontiac
Parisienne with a 327. 

From twobees at sprynet.com  Thu Oct  8 12:25:42 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:25:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end
Message-ID: <003001ca4844$bf00d800$6501a8c0@normoffice>

Oh, rats!  I'm too busy for this today.  But,...
My folks had a '60 or '61 Bonne 4-dr hard top.  Neat car.

After my first sports car, a '57 Healey 100-6, I bought my first new car, a
'65 MGB Roadster.  Had that for 2 years along with a '64 Corvair Spyder
coupe.  Sold the Corvair when I got married, the B when baby came along.
Needed something "bigger" so all 3 of us could fit.  So, bought a '68
Firebird 400 convertible, metallic green, white top, gold interior, base 400
c.i., hydramatic, 2.56 Posi, radial tires & some other stuff.  Darn car got
13 mpg no matter how I drove it.  with the 2.56 posi I couldn't spin the
tires (I was into drag racing back then) unless I was on some dirt.  BUT,...
that Bird flew.  1 to 2 shift was at crazy speed like 60.  2 to 3 at 90.  I
saw 135 in that car.  Talk about CRAZY!  A convertible with the first
generation BFGoodrich radials doing 135?????.

Nevertheless, I survived to go faster (Have seen 154 in a Porsche) and
regularly saw over 100 in my MGB on long straights like Watkins Glen (117) &
NHIS (?), and even in my 948-powered Turner at Roebling (102?), even got to
do 205kph on the Autobahn this summer in a 318d at the tail end of a
Mercedes/BMW "train" of about 8 cars.

Hate to see Pontiac go.  But, I lived & worked in the Detroit area in '78 &
'79.  Saw the folly of committee planning subject to accountants.  That's
what has killed Detroit along with quality that improved far too late.

RIP.

Norm Sippel

From wmseverin at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 12:33:07 2009
From: wmseverin at charter.net (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:33:07 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] [Thicko] SOS '09 the Erection broadcast this weekend
In-Reply-To: <003801ca4804$f512f5d0$df38e170$@net>
References: <003801ca4804$f512f5d0$df38e170$@net>
Message-ID: <007a01ca4845$c80f7540$582e5fc0$@net>

http://www.maxjaxusa.com/

[comment...] for those of you with filthy minds...

From twobees at sprynet.com  Thu Oct  8 12:44:46 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:44:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] F Production SCCA Runoffs
Message-ID: <004101ca4847$68c99640$6501a8c0@normoffice>

For the F Production Finale, Go to:  <http://speedcasttv.com/scca/#>
http://speedcasttv.com/scca/#
 
Norm Sippel

From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 12:53:52 2009
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:53:52 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <661532.47198.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A8A044E51BCC4419B04A772762C23F47@psych.washington.edu>
	<BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b777e2be0910081153y354803a2o915814a77d9d418f@mail.gmail.com>

My first and only Pontiac was a 1966 Ventura. I was standing in line at the
BMV and the guy in front of me was trying to transfer the tags from his
Pontiac to another car. The clerk told him that he had to sell or salvage
the car before the tags could be transferred to a different car. He was
disgusted so I asked him what he had and how much for it... He told me that
it was a Ventura and he wanted $50 for it. (This was around 1971 or so.) I
went to look at it and ended up buying it. It was a 4 door, reasonable miles
on it, no rust or damage, great interior, would overheat on a hot day, but
ran good with its big V-8. It also came with two brand new mounted snow
tires in the trunk.

I sold the snow tires the next day for $30 and a big bag of weed. The
following week I sold the car for $125 and a S&W .38 police special with the
numbers drilled out...

Just in case you're wondering, yes, I did straighten out. I'm a retired
cop!!! Maybe it was the guy that I bought it from that caused me to be bad.
He was a Cincinnati cop!

-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  8 12:56:51 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:56:51 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] kinda purty
Message-ID: <BAY112-W10913421788BEE9B1B1552B8CC0@phx.gbl>

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/72594

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 13:00:49 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:00:49 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Wiring for Newbies
In-Reply-To: <4C567589033B4F68B5136D4F3E3074B4@Home>
References: <4C567589033B4F68B5136D4F3E3074B4@Home>
Message-ID: <402188520910081200t1b572ff7u651394b5aeb7cc25@mail.gmail.com>

> Many of the wiring sockets under the dash have internal works held in by
barbs.  If a barb fails as you are fussing with the wires, the individual
connectors can pull out just enough that the connection is broken, but not far
enough that you can see that it has pulled out.  If you have a loss of power
in odd places after fussing under the dash, check those barbed connectors
first.

And then start checking all the double-barrel sleeve connectors. The
metal insert in them frequently cracks, rendering its ability to carry
the necessary amperage severely compromised and hard to find.
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 13:04:43 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
In-Reply-To: <D3A8E3309B304318894639237361B05E@Home>
References: <D3A8E3309B304318894639237361B05E@Home>
Message-ID: <402188520910081204o2719628bt8df2fb9be0f9db03@mail.gmail.com>

> This morning, the transmission fell out of first gear hard at fairly high rpm, probably because it was not fully engaged.

Michael,
SHAME ON YOU!!!
There is NO excuse for ever being in first gear at "fairly high rpm"
with a stock transmission. First is a bull gear and wears rapidly. It
should be used strictly for transitioning from the stopped state into
the moving state and you should get into second expeditiously.
Certainly never over 2000rpm in first. Sounds like the carbon facing
might be fractured or missing a piece. Time to pull the engine...
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 13:23:28 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:23:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <4498.70790.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<4498.70790.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910081223k6fdb797ap7925173e12d52644@mail.gmail.com>

> Pontiac followed the lead of their other divisions that produced something
> advanced, by killing-off the Fiero. (Sure it had it's teething problems in the
> beginning.)

IMHO, Pontiac was the division that was willing to take risks and try things.

The Fiero was a great experiment. Unfortunately, about the time the
bugs were worked out, it got axed.

The Aztek was a terrible experiment. Care to guess what market they
thought they were going to target? I have always been amazed at how
little Buick had to do to make the Rendezvous look halfway decent. Too
bad the Aztek had already killed its chances.

Without the Firebird, the Camaro would not have been nearly so good.

OTOH, Buick and Cadillac both appear to have more of a perceived
dedicated following. I think that if Cadillac had not come out with
the Northstar engine and put such an effort into distinguishing itself
from its GM siblings, they would have gotten the ax before Oldsmobile.

David L

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Thu Oct  8 13:52:01 2009
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:52:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
Message-ID: <87d2rg$77r27t@email.mtu.edu>

Did we all own Pontiacs?

My first car was a brand new 1969 Pontiac Tempest. It was right 
around $2,800. I had no business buying that car. I was in my second 
year of college and 450 miles from home. I didn't have a regular 
income. I was getting some $ from the Gov't because me dad was a 
disabled vet. Somehow it got paid. It had a 350 V8 with a 2 speed 
automatic. It would have been a nice car for the time with just about 
any other transmission.

In college I took a course in Engineering Economy. Taught us about 
present value, future worth, annuity, interest, etc. The best course 
I ever took for preparing me for life as I didn't have good training 
in the handling of money as a kid. We didn't have any to worry about. 
I applied the principles of engineering economy to my personal 
financial planing and it served me well.

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 14:06:58 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:06:58 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] kinda purty
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W10913421788BEE9B1B1552B8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-W10913421788BEE9B1B1552B8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ACE4662.9080002@comcast.net>

robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote:
> http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/72594
> _______________________________________________
>
>   
Not for $71,550.00


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 14:10:45 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:10:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <402188520910081223k6fdb797ap7925173e12d52644@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<4498.70790.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<402188520910081223k6fdb797ap7925173e12d52644@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACE4745.8090604@comcast.net>

David Lieb wrote:
>
> OTOH, Buick and Cadillac both appear to have more of a perceived
> dedicated following. 
Just think, by January I will be old enough to go out and buy a big ole 
beige Buick!
And then move into one of those Seizure Village retirement communities.

Special Ed

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 14:19:41 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:19:41 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Is your Spridget dangerous to your health?
Message-ID: <c67.61195442.37ffa35d@aol.com>

I haven't bothered to follow the link as it didn't really interest  me.  
What I do know is that my Sprite is race legal for noise (100DBa at  the half 
metre test from the exhaust at 4,500rpm - goes up to 102Dba at  5,000rpm).  
 
Also it's quieter with the top down than up.  But, with the top up  once 
you get over 105mph+ everything goes really quiet.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 07/10/2009 17:29:51 GMT Daylight Time,  
billyzoom at billyzoom.com writes:

are both  much louder than 85db

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  8 14:18:22 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:18:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC-Bet you can't watch this just once ( airplane )
Message-ID: <003901ca4854$7d9a5700$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Duck!

Paul A

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of low_pass.wmv]

From peter at nosimport.com  Thu Oct  8 14:25:12 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:25:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <402188520910081223k6fdb797ap7925173e12d52644@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
	<4498.70790.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<402188520910081223k6fdb797ap7925173e12d52644@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910081325582.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

At 02:23 PM 10/8/2009, David Lieb wrote: (in part)

>The Aztek was a terrible experiment. Care to guess what market they
>thought they were going to target? I have always been amazed at how
>little Buick had to do to make the Rendezvous look halfway decent. Too
>bad the Aztek had already killed its chances.
------------------------
A good friend of mine was extolling the virtues of his Aztek.  Lots 
of room, several hundred cup holders, good visibility, etc.

So we got off our barstools to look at it. I'm thinking maybe I 
missed something the last time I looked at one.

As we approached, I asked him what he thought of the looks. He said 
he has avert his eyes until he gets into it.

It's even fugly in white.

Peter C 

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 14:26:12 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:26:12 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] FROG AYE, WARNING: LBC CONTENT
Message-ID: <c39.6213539e.37ffa4e4@aol.com>

What do you have planned for the centre main, crank and rods?
 
In a message dated 08/10/2009 04:40:55 GMT Daylight Time,  
frog.aye at gmail.com writes:

Specs  will be as follows:

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 14:27:29 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:27:29 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
Message-ID: <d44.559b148c.37ffa531@aol.com>

Or the layshaft has worn, unless I'm mistaken.
 
In a message dated 08/10/2009 17:49:20 GMT Daylight Time,  
mdrowe at optonline.net writes:

This  morning, the transmission fell out of first gear hard at fairly high 
rpm,  probably because it was not fully engaged

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 14:28:40 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:28:40 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
Message-ID: <cf4.5d59b30f.37ffa578@aol.com>

Not even a racing start with a new Quaife?
 
In a message dated 08/10/2009 20:37:20 GMT Daylight Time,  
72spridget at gmail.com writes:

There is  NO excuse for ever being in first gear at "fairly high rpm"
with a stock  transmission

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  8 14:29:45 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:29:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
References: <4498.70790.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004a01ca4856$13e14c40$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

The Chinese made Buick is considered to be a real luxury car by them.

With China rapidly over taking the USA as the worlds dominant market and
economic power, they already own more dollars in thir banking system than we
do, how are we ever going to keep Frank C in some sort of sanity?  Will we
be exporting American made parts to them with the possibly "Made In USA"
sticker on them?  Makes you wonder at times, seriously.

BTW, the younger set are just loving our 4 wheel drive stuff like the Jeep
among others.

Later, Paul A


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Fishbein" <jfishbein at snet.net>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>

> Buick sells in China which is at a minimum, our revenge revenge on the
Chinese.
>
> jay fishbein
> wallingford, ct

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct  8 14:47:21 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:47:21 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$77r27t@email.mtu.edu>
References: <87d2rg$77r27t@email.mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <5420EA681702418A8F929B1C380FA299@spider>

"Did we all own Pontiacs?"
Yes. Bought mine about 1962. It was about a 1952 with the lit plastic Chief
on the hood. Price was less that $500. Rings were gone. I drove it from
Portland to Corvallis oblivious of the oil screen I was laying down...and
the tic-tic-tic of a rod bearing going. It let loose just outside Corvallis.
Sheared the cam shaft clean thru. I found the cam shaft piece in the engine
compartment. Still have it ...the cam shaft piece; car ownership lasted less
than a day.  ...bill in oregon

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 14:53:58 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
In-Reply-To: <cf4.5d59b30f.37ffa578@aol.com>
References: <cf4.5d59b30f.37ffa578@aol.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910081353q40a1283aw9053edb8343e30b6@mail.gmail.com>

>> There is NO excuse for ever being in first gear at "fairly high rpm"
>> with a stock transmission

> Not even a racing start with a new Quaife?

Nope. At that point, you should no longer have a stock transmission ;-)
David L

From wmseverin at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 15:17:14 2009
From: wmseverin at charter.net (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
Message-ID: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>

I heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw lead
wheel weights due potential ecological issues..

 

 

http://www.leadfreewheels.org/problem.shtml

 

ugghhh

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  8 15:17:30 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:17:30 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-- At the good old clinic!
Message-ID: <00bf01ca485c$bf90a800$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Well guys, I got back from my cancer Dr. and the cancer clinic a bit ago.

He was satisfied I had survived that ordeal, I was in decent health and I was
ready to rehabilitate my immune system. I don't need to see him again for 6
months.  So along with by infusion of Zometta, I got all my childhood immune
shots and today's flu shot.  SIX shots in both arms!  I didn't cry!

So it looks like I dodged that nasty bullet, just got grazed, you might say,
and rather than a death from the Myeloma, I'll simply die with it!  (It never
goes away!)  But he still says with the meds I take, I should stay away from
the locally made beers.  Rats!  I really enjoyed one every so often!

Now my wonderful GF, Lillis, who took such wonderful loving care of me for
almost a year at her home. I get a chance to help in her rehabilitation.  She
got 1st through 3rd degree burns on about 20% of her upper body and neck.
NOW!  That stuff really hurts!  Mine felt like a minor sliver in your finger
compared to her ordeal.  It put her in the regional burn center in Portland
for a bit over a month.  This weekend will be her first outing and she's going
to the coast with a bunch of girlfriends, A special lot of gals.  They are
know as the "Chosen Sisters" as they all have undergone significant ordeals
such as a loss of a child or husband and have had similar major events in
their lives.  They are GREAT gals!

Now, back to the shop!

Later, Paul A

From wmseverin at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 15:22:40 2009
From: wmseverin at charter.net (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
In-Reply-To: <5420EA681702418A8F929B1C380FA299@spider>
References: <87d2rg$77r27t@email.mtu.edu>
	<5420EA681702418A8F929B1C380FA299@spider>
Message-ID: <00a001ca485d$77d979a0$678c6ce0$@net>

In my youth, our neighbors next door bought a pair of new Pontiacs every
year... usually a Ventura and a Bonneville. I always dug the 8 lug wheels. 

From lindlaw at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 15:32:30 2009
From: lindlaw at yahoo.com (Ed Lindley)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
In-Reply-To: <5420EA681702418A8F929B1C380FA299@spider>
Message-ID: <54388.54780.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The "lit plastic Chief" was yellow which went so well with my \battleship
grrey 54 Pontiac.
   Ed ihn SD
--- On Thu, 10/8/09, corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> From: corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:47 PM
> "Did we all own Pontiacs?"
> Yes. Bought mine about 1962. It was about a 1952 with the
> lit plastic Chief
> on the hood. Price was less that $500. Rings were gone. I
> drove it from
> Portland to Corvallis oblivious of the oil screen I was
> laying down...and
> the tic-tic-tic of a rod bearing going. It let loose just
> outside Corvallis.
> Sheared the cam shaft clean thru. I found the cam shaft
> piece in the engine
> compartment. Still have it ...the cam shaft piece; car
> ownership lasted less
> than a day.  ...bill in oregon
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From rbastedo at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 15:36:43 2009
From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
Message-ID: <fbc9308f0910081436l4bcfd63byf3f9cf36e2c1edf1@mail.gmail.com>

 "Did we all own Pontiacs?"

My very second car was a (IIRC) 1965 Pontiac LeMans.
I paid the princely sum of $150 for the car and it ran pretty good after I
tuned it up.
I mistreated it as any 16 - 17 year of the day old would, but I had fun and
learned some things from it.
I can't remember what ultimately happened to it, either a junkyard or a
bonfire more than likely...

Rick B.

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 15:41:58 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
Message-ID: <402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com>

> I heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw
lead
> wheel weights due potential ecological issues..

Next year they will outlaw the existence of lead ore...
David L

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  8 15:51:06 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <661532.47198.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY112-W11ECB320F1559B78870872B8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6DC7A549231A46FF95667F4794F70F4A@HomePC>

RD, if I'm not mistaken, Pontiac had a 326 until 1967 and that was opened up 
to a 350 in 68 -- unless the 327 was a transplant.

LAD

--------------------------------------------------
From: <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:44 PM
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December 
2009 .....I'm in mourning

Not much of a story, but the first car that I drove was a '68 Pontiac
Parisienne with a 327.  My mother drove my sister and I down to the local
ballpark which had a dirt lane around it and let us practice our driving. 
It
didn't take me long to start drifting and she quietly excused herself from 
the
car and went and sat under a tree and read a book.  It would do at least 105
on the highway.



RD
_______________________________________________

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 16:06:11 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
Message-ID: <4ACE6253.1030208@comcast.net>

Wm. Severin Thompson wrote:
> I heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw lead
> wheel weights due potential ecological issues..
>
>  
>
>  
>
> http://www.leadfreewheels.org/problem.shtml
>   
Seriously? Some of these "environmental cases" need to get a life.
What about all the lead sinkers in fishing tackle? Does that not pollute the waters?
I bet the environmental nut case just happens to be a fisherman.
Tell the tire shops to recycle the lead weights and ship them to china, they can make more paint with it.




-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 16:06:23 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-- At the good old clinic!
In-Reply-To: <00bf01ca485c$bf90a800$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <00bf01ca485c$bf90a800$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <869382.21018.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great news, Paul!  Best wishes on a speedy recovery for Lillis.




________________________________
From: Paul Asgeirsson <PAsgeirsson at att.net>
To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Cc: morris_motors at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:17:30 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-- At the good old clinic!

Well guys, I got back from my cancer Dr. and the cancer clinic a bit ago.

He was satisfied I had survived that ordeal, I was in decent health and I was
ready to rehabilitate my immune system. I don't need to see him again for 6
months.  So along with by infusion of Zometta, I got all my childhood immune
shots and today's flu shot.  SIX shots in both arms!  I didn't cry!

So it looks like I dodged that nasty bullet, just got grazed, you might say,
and rather than a death from the Myeloma, I'll simply die with it!  (It never
goes away!)  But he still says with the meds I take, I should stay away from
the locally made beers.  Rats!  I really enjoyed one every so often!

Now my wonderful GF, Lillis, who took such wonderful loving care of me for
almost a year at her home. I get a chance to help in her rehabilitation.  She
got 1st through 3rd degree burns on about 20% of her upper body and neck.
NOW!  That stuff really hurts!  Mine felt like a minor sliver in your finger
compared to her ordeal.  It put her in the regional burn center in Portland
for a bit over a month.  This weekend will be her first outing and she's going
to the coast with a bunch of girlfriends, A special lot of gals.  They are
know as the "Chosen Sisters" as they all have undergone significant ordeals
such as a loss of a child or husband and have had similar major events in
their lives.  They are GREAT gals!

Now, back to the shop!

Later, Paul A
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From wmseverin at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 16:09:42 2009
From: wmseverin at charter.net (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:09:42 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <4ACE6253.1030208@comcast.net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
	<4ACE6253.1030208@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00ae01ca4864$09676160$1c362420$@net>

Yeah, I wonder if the ecological impact of all the salt they dump on the
roads is worse than the wheel weights that fall off???

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank [mailto:spritenut at comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:06 PM
> To: Wm. Severin Thompson
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] get the lead out
> 
> Wm. Severin Thompson wrote:
> > I heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to
> outlaw lead
> > wheel weights due potential ecological issues..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.leadfreewheels.org/problem.shtml
> >
> Seriously? Some of these "environmental cases" need to get a life.
> What about all the lead sinkers in fishing tackle? Does that not
> pollute the waters?
> I bet the environmental nut case just happens to be a fisherman.
> Tell the tire shops to recycle the lead weights and ship them to china,
> they can make more paint with it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  8 16:30:08 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:30:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
Message-ID: <A5A62AC278F9426EBC0447C2CFD4EF80@HomePC>

What screwed up priorities.  They think that peoples lives are more 
important than having to change from lead weights?  How disgusting.

LAD

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wmseverin at charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:17 PM
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out

I heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw lead
wheel weights due potential ecological issues..





http://www.leadfreewheels.org/problem.shtml



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From twobees at sprynet.com  Thu Oct  8 16:32:51 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:32:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] F Production SCCA Runoffs
In-Reply-To: <841992.28009.qm@web37604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01ca4867$46583e20$6501a8c0@normoffice>

Bob:

Must have been a well disguised Turner.  I never saw it.  Although the
streaming video even in higher res wasn't very clear.

Norm
'59 Turner

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Walker [mailto:spriteracer98 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:36 PM
To: twobees at sprynet.com
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] F Production SCCA Runoffs


Did you hear the list of cars running in that class? Sprites/Midgets are
with the smallest engine and also saddled with more weight than they rolled
off of the showroom floor with. Oh yea........they had one Turner! Bob
Walker

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 16:39:01 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:39:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
Message-ID: <879767.66058.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Next thing you know they'll want to make bullets out of something else so they
don't give people lead poisoning...




________________________________
From:
Wm. Severin Thompson <wmseverin at charter.net>
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 5:17:14 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out

I
heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw lead
wheel weights due potential ecological issues..
http://www.leadfreewheels.org/problem.shtml



ugghhh
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From wmseverin at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 16:44:25 2009
From: wmseverin at charter.net (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:44:25 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] can't believe this wasn't in Wisconsin
Message-ID: <00ca01ca4868$e33dfe90$a9b9fbb0$@net>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33229752/ns/us_news-weird_news/

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:57:40 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:57:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-- At the good old clinic!
In-Reply-To: <00bf01ca485c$bf90a800$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <00bf01ca485c$bf90a800$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
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Paul,
Fantastic news on you and Lillis.

May the Good Lord continue to bless you both.

Sorry about the beer, that sucks!  Does that include 'imported' beer...say
from Southern Oregon???

Take care my web-footed Friend.

Herb


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From frog.aye at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:01:34 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FROG AYE, WARNING: LBC CONTENT
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Centre main has a strap.  Unfortunately, Crank and rods are basically stock,
cleaned up a bit. ARP rod bolts, main studs (except the strap,) head studs,
and [ss] manifold studs.  Will probabally go with ARP bolts for the flywheel
also.
Hal

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:26 PM, <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com> wrote:

>  What do you have planned for the centre main, crank and rods?
>
> In a message dated 08/10/2009 04:40:55 GMT Daylight Time,
> frog.aye at gmail.com writes:
>
> Specs will be as follows:

From mark at nashvilletn.org  Thu Oct  8 17:02:24 2009
From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:02:24 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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	<6DC7A549231A46FF95667F4794F70F4A@HomePC>
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In the late fall of 59 I went to the Indianapolis car show with my Dad to 
see what was new.  There on the floor was a beautiful 1960 white Pontiac 
Bonneville Convertible, 389 Tri-Power, and blue striped leather interior.  I 
was only a month or two away from getting my license and thought this would 
be a really nice car for "me".  At the time my Mother had a baby blue County 
Squire wagon which she hated.  Dad bought it on the spot and had it 
delivered to Mother right after the car show.  I did get to drive it some 
and really liked that car but my main transportation was a $300 52 Ford 
convertible that I bought with my paper route money.  I too hate to see 
Pontiac go but in the last 25 years it has just not had the good stuff that 
made them special.

Mark
Nashville


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RD, if I'm not mistaken, Pontiac had a 326 until 1967 and that was opened up
to a 350 in 68 -- unless the 327 was a transplant.

LAD

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:09:04 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:09:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <C6F29E8C.2137F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
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Hey BZ,
I wasn't a "rich frat boy".  I was a poor Army boy when I purchased my '65
GTO in '67.

Never was a frat boy.  Spent too much time studying.  Hell, didn't even get
laid more than a few times a week!  Sorry Ladies.

Loved those '60s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and '70s)

Herb

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:

> >  Pontiacs
> I've always associated them with ex-convicts and getaways.
> Except for GTO's...they were rich frat boy toys, much like the big Healeys.
> ________________________________________
>



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:18:16 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
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Gentlemen,
Pay CLOSE attention to what is going on here in Oregon and Pacific Northwest
in general.  It...IS...spreading east.

We can no longer:  cut trees for lumber, irrigate farm acreage due to fish
(of all types); our hydro-dams are being removed to "save the  Salmon";
mining is being shut down;  more land is being 'taken' in the name of
protection.

They are putting meters on our wells, charging a premium when we use too
much water (according to what they feel is "too much".

The list goes on and on

Oh yeah, forget about cattle ranchers not being allowed to run their herds
because they may pee within 100' of a stream or waterway of some type.

It's getting nuts here.  I fight this crap daily.  Be warned.

Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Wm. Severin Thompson
<wmseverin at charter.net>wrote:

> I heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw
> lead
> wheel weights due potential ecological issues..
>
>

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From b-evans at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  8 17:21:36 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:21:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
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Paul A. wrote:  "With China rapidly over taking the USA as the worlds
dominant ....how are we ever going to keep Frank C in some sort of
sanity...."

Don't let Frank's phony rants about anything "Chinese" fool you!  He is
playing us for suckers!  I have it on VERY good authority that Frank has
secretly acquired a Berlitz computer program to learn *Chinese*!! (
http://tinyurl.com/yjakvr4 )  It seems that he has been out in the chicken
coop covertly learning Chinese so he can become the American distributor of
the Modern Gentleman!  

So, don't take Frank's Chinese complaints very seriously!

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Thu Oct  8 17:31:09 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:31:09 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
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> SHAME ON YOU!!!

Probably not high rpm by your standards.  I never drive over 4000.  It reved 
up to there (by the sound)  after the clutch disengaged, so it was probably 
2-3000 rpm when it popped out.  This afternoon, I couldn't hear the same 
rattle I had this morning, but I could hear the bearing rubbing when it was 
lightly engaged, which I have not heard before.  The cracked carbon 
diagnosis sounds about right.

So, if it is time to pull the engine, I will certainly replace the 
transmission.  It can't be drained because the drain plug is closed with a 
big glop of epoxy, I assume because it was punched in when the PO drove it 
through the woods.  That explanation fits with the condition of the rest of 
the undercarriage when I got it.

I have three candidate transmissions, all in unknown condition.  One came 
with my spare engines, and is probably in good condition, as the PO intended 
to use it in his Crosley before he found a proper one.  The other two came 
in my BE kit, competely unknown.  How do I test these transmissions before I 
put one in?

I also have two smooth-case transmissions in my BE kit if anyone one wants 
them.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite kit
Long Island, NY 

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Thu Oct  8 17:46:19 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Nobel Prize
In-Reply-To: <326003.83201.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Our lab just won another Nobel Prize, the second on my wife's watch as Head 
of Media Relations.  She is having a ball dealing with good news instead of 
environmental wackos.  Takes the pressure off the parts-buying program.

LEAD WHEEL WEIGHTS CAUSE IMPOTENCE!

Michael Rowe 

From rbastedo at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:46:38 2009
From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:46:38 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-- At the good old clinic!
Message-ID: <fbc9308f0910081646v344ca210qc9dbf64e84e66b0b@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Paul, that is all really great news!
I'm so glad Lillis is doing better now, it seems like it's been a long road.
Sounds like you are ready to do some work - I still have that 5 speed dogleg
Datsun tranny here and it still needs some (lots of) TLC.
Lets see, does the Post Office have a flat rate box that big??

Rick Bastedo

___________________________________
From: "Paul Asgeirsson" <PAsgeirsson at att.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-- At the good old clinic!

Well guys, I got back from my cancer Dr. and the cancer clinic a bit ago.

He was satisfied I had survived that ordeal, I was in decent health and I
was
ready to rehabilitate my immune system. I don't need to see him again for 6
months.  So along with by infusion of Zometta, I got all my childhood immune
shots and today's flu shot.  SIX shots in both arms!  I didn't cry!

So it looks like I dodged that nasty bullet, just got grazed, you might say,
and rather than a death from the Myeloma, I'll simply die with it!  (It
never
goes away!)  But he still says with the meds I take, I should stay away from
the locally made beers.  Rats!  I really enjoyed one every so often!

Now my wonderful GF, Lillis, who took such wonderful loving care of me for
almost a year at her home. I get a chance to help in her rehabilitation.
 She
got 1st through 3rd degree burns on about 20% of her upper body and neck.
NOW!  That stuff really hurts!  Mine felt like a minor sliver in your finger
compared to her ordeal.  It put her in the regional burn center in Portland
for a bit over a month.  This weekend will be her first outing and she's
going
to the coast with a bunch of girlfriends, A special lot of gals.  They are
know as the "Chosen Sisters" as they all have undergone significant ordeals
such as a loss of a child or husband and have had similar major events in
their lives.  They are GREAT gals!

Now, back to the shop!

Later, Paul A

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  8 17:53:20 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:53:20 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
References: <87d2rg$77r27t@email.mtu.edu><5420EA681702418A8F929B1C380FA299@spider>
	<00a001ca485d$77d979a0$678c6ce0$@net>
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I used to own a 52 Pontiac with it's straight 8 engine.  You nearly needed
20/20 vision to see the whole engine!  Bought the thing from my next door
neighbor, who was the original owner.

My kids loved the radio speaker in the middle of the dash.  It had a couple
of giant rings around it sole speaker in the middle of the dashboard that
was big enough for them to hang onto and use it as a steering wheel!  Who
had car seats for kids then, either?  He's now 50, and survived not being
belted in and no padded  dashes, either.

Life seemed a lot different then.

Later, Paukl A

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  8 17:58:08 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
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	<4ACE6253.1030208@comcast.net>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wmseverin at charter.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] get the lead out


> What about all the lead sinkers in fishing tackle? Does that not pollute
the waters?
> I bet the environmental nut case just happens to be a fisherman.

Just don't eat the fish if he had the sinker in his mouth!!

Try snagging them!

Paul A

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  8 18:10:41 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:10:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FROG AYE, WARNING: LBC CONTENT
References: <c39.6213539e.37ffa4e4@aol.com>
	<4333f8140910081601j651003a5of25b5e88b215c2eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01ca4874$f0e7a6c0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Hi Hal,

The flywheel already has "Place" bolts on it.  At least it should have them
if some goofball hasn't changed them for grade 8's regular.

Place bolts are what should be used under these conditions.  They are easily
identified by what looks like the top surface is cut into 6 pie pieces.  The
bearing surface on them is not by the stem but rather away from the stem
allowing them to hold well as they grow longer with heat and the flywheel
gets thicker.

The original bolts are as good as you can get under these circumstances.
Besides, the flywheel on a 1275 is also pinned in place.

Later, Paul A



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hal Faulkner" <frog.aye at gmail.com>
To: <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FROG AYE, WARNING: LBC CONTENT


> Centre main has a strap.  Unfortunately, Crank and rods are basically
stock,
> cleaned up a bit. ARP rod bolts, main studs (except the strap,) head
studs,
> and [ss] manifold studs.  Will probabally go with ARP bolts for the
flywheel
> also.
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:26 PM, <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >  What do you have planned for the centre main, crank and rods?
> >
> > In a message dated 08/10/2009 04:40:55 GMT Daylight Time,
> > frog.aye at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Specs will be as follows:
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From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Thu Oct  8 18:26:21 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:26:21 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridget Chat Group" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle


>  How do I test these transmissions before I
> put one in?


You pray and light candles on the fireplace mantle!

My experience has been that about 98% of the trannies that are out of a car
and is a "spare", are pretty shot.

You really can't find out a lot about their condition until you open them
up.  If the drain plug is wiped clean, I'm really suspicious of the tranny.

If you do find it's an OK one, make a magnetic plug using a dab of JB Weld
in the plug and a small round magnet you can get at Home Depot,  They come
about a dozen in a roll you can pick up.

Paul A

From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Thu Oct  8 18:36:50 2009
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:36:50 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <005c01ca4873$2fde09c0$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net><4ACE6253.1030208@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <18B487343C3D4B9782844CBCC4FA7A6F@BASEMENTDELL>

Its already happened...the waterfowl people are trying to ban them as well.
Gotta save those damn Canadian Geese that poop up the beaches and spread e.
coli you know...

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Asgeirsson
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:58 PM
To: Frank; Wm. Severin Thompson
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] get the lead out

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wmseverin at charter.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] get the lead out


> What about all the lead sinkers in fishing tackle? Does that not pollute
the waters?
> I bet the environmental nut case just happens to be a fisherman.

Just don't eat the fish if he had the sinker in his mouth!!

Try snagging them!

Paul A

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct  8 19:12:07 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:12:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
In-Reply-To: <00b701ca4877$21271d00$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
References: <D3A8E3309B304318894639237361B05E@Home><402188520910081204o2719628bt8df2fb9be0f9db03@mail.gmail.com><B0A1F8905E364A279C32D01B9AB266E0@Home>
	<00b701ca4877$21271d00$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <BDD300CC999C4EFCBEEF0C4E75E8E5E5@spider>

This is where I get my magnetic oil drain plugs.
http://www.magneticdrainplugs.com/

After all the stupid things I've done in the past, I do not trust myself to
glue a magnet to an oily plug and put it in harms way. 
Also, I put my magnetic plug in high, in the fill hole; this way I can clean
it without 'draining' my fluid. ...bill in oregon
=======================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Asgeirsson
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
To: Michael Rowe; David Lieb
Cc: Spridget Chat Group
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridget Chat Group" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle

. . . 

If you do find it's an OK one, make a magnetic plug using a dab of JB Weld
in the plug and a small round magnet you can get at Home Depot,  They come
about a dozen in a roll you can pick up.

Paul A
_______________________________________________

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct  8 19:12:41 2009
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910081618g74c41b69pab7cdbdd59ad4ae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
	<2ad6c6b10910081618g74c41b69pab7cdbdd59ad4ae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACE8E09.8060101@frontiernet.net>

Exactly why I no longer live in Oregon.

Kate


WFO Herb wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Pay CLOSE attention to what is going on here in Oregon and Pacific Northwest
> in general.  It...IS...spreading east.
>
> We can no longer:  cut trees for lumber, irrigate farm acreage due to fish
> (of all types); our hydro-dams are being removed to "save the  Salmon";
> mining is being shut down;  more land is being 'taken' in the name of
> protection.
>
> They are putting meters on our wells, charging a premium when we use too
> much water (according to what they feel is "too much".
>
> The list goes on and on
>
> Oh yeah, forget about cattle ranchers not being allowed to run their herds
> because they may pee within 100' of a stream or waterway of some type.
>
> It's getting nuts here.  I fight this crap daily.  Be warned.
>
> Herb
> Grants Pass, Oregon
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Wm. Severin Thompson
> <wmseverin at charter.net>wrote:
>
>   
>> I heard recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw
>> lead
>> wheel weights due potential ecological issues..

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 19:14:35 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
References: <D3A8E3309B304318894639237361B05E@Home><402188520910081204o2719628bt8df2fb9be0f9db03@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0A1F8905E364A279C32D01B9AB266E0@Home>
Message-ID: <CF7E90314CEF47029754182E5CDFCB1D@blackbox2>

Sounds like now is the time put the 5-speed kit in there and put all the issues to rest.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle


> I have three candidate transmissions, all in unknown condition.  One came 
> with my spare engines, and is probably in good condition, as the PO intended 
> to use it in his Crosley before he found a proper one.  The other two came 
> in my BE kit, competely unknown.  How do I test these transmissions before I 
> put one in?

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 19:37:42 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:37:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <18B487343C3D4B9782844CBCC4FA7A6F@BASEMENTDELL>
Message-ID: <552086.77166.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Chris Manuel <cmanuel at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> Gotta save those damn Canadian Geese that poop up the
> beaches and spread e.
> coli you know...

That explains why you rarely see them flying south from Wisconsin anymore. Roscoe has seceded from the rest of the upper Midwest. The only law regarding the geese here is if you see one get killed, you have to say "nice shot." 

Ron

From lindlaw at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 19:41:04 2009
From: lindlaw at yahoo.com (Ed Lindley)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <6DC7A549231A46FF95667F4794F70F4A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <707547.15027.qm@web50609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I don't berlieve they did anything to the 326.  The 350 was an opended 305 and
the entire GM line went with the 350 for a good number of years.  This was
part of the continuing homogenization of GM, where ultimately the only
differences twixt the "brands" were the name plates and price tags.  Universal
chassis, the bulk of the body panels, engines transmissions, et al.
   Ed in SD

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
2009 .....I'm in mourning
> To: robertduquette at sympatico.ca, "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 2:51 PM
> RD, if I'm not mistaken, Pontiac had
> a 326 until 1967 and that was opened up
> to a 350 in 68 -- unless the 327 was a transplant.
>
> LAD
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:44 PM
> To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac
> & Saturn end December
> 2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
> Not much of a story, but the first car that I drove was a
> '68 Pontiac
> Parisienne with a 327.  My mother drove my sister and
> I down to the local
> ballpark which had a dirt lane around it and let us
> practice our driving.
> It
> didn't take me long to start drifting and she quietly
> excused herself from
> the
> car and went and sat under a tree and read a book.  It
> would do at least 105
> on the highway.
>
>
>
> RD
> _______________________________________________
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From twobees at sprynet.com  Thu Oct  8 20:11:51 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:11:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] F Production SCCA Runoffs
In-Reply-To: <841992.28009.qm@web37604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca4885$dde91250$6501a8c0@normoffice>

Bob:

Must have been a well disguised Turner.  I never saw it.  Although the
streaming video even in higher res wasn't very clear.

Norm
'59 Turner

-----Original Message-----

Subject: Re: [Spridgets] F Production SCCA Runoffs


Did you hear the list of cars running in that class? Sprites/Midgets are
with the smallest engine and also saddled with more weight than they rolled
off of the showroom floor with. Oh yea........they had one Turner! Bob
Walker

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct  8 20:29:11 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:29:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <707547.15027.qm@web50609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6F3EE07.21423%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> the entire GM line went with the 350 for a good number of years.
But that's a small block. Pontiac also had a 350 big block in the Seventies.
Don't confuse them or you'll never get the right parts.

From jfishbein at snet.net  Thu Oct  8 20:31:19 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
In-Reply-To: <CF7E90314CEF47029754182E5CDFCB1D@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <512459.50041.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Kind of like The Dating Game

jjf
Wallingford, CT

 From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle


> I have three candidate transmissions, all in unknown condition.

From herby at herbytoys.com  Thu Oct  8 21:23:04 2009
From: herby at herbytoys.com (Herby)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:23:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
In-Reply-To: <5420EA681702418A8F929B1C380FA299@spider>
Message-ID: <7B954DE8D1CB40108D934F968CF8D027@HERBYZ>

Never owned a Pontiac but one of my early car lust memories was my Aunt &
Uncles Flambeau Burgundy 68 GTO, 400 Auto with the big 8 track deck right
there between the console and dash. It's one of the cars I look for on ebay,
cl, etc. though I doubt I'll ever be able to own a decent one. Muscle car
prices are still out there.

Herby
63 MKII Sprite (Herbytoy - For Sale)
62 MKII Sprite (the "resto-mod" driver)
00 Dakota R/T (the new toy)
herby at herbytoys.com
www.herbytoys.com

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Fri Oct  9 00:17:06 2009
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:17:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Parts FS in Los Angeles on Craigs list
Message-ID: <d49b03130910082317r5f80eaa4o41984da4d25150ef@mail.gmail.com>

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/1403828068.html

No financial interest.

Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
56 BN2

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 01:15:08 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:15:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <C6F3EE07.21423%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <707547.15027.qm@web50609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<C6F3EE07.21423%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090910090015r54cd717ay19d4058e1b596271@mail.gmail.com>

True, the water pump on a Pontiac 350 would NEVER fit a SBC 350

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:

> > the entire GM line went with the 350 for a good number of years.
> But that's a small block. Pontiac also had a 350 big block in the
> Seventies.
> Don't confuse them or you'll never get the right parts.
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  9 06:28:02 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:28:02 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
In-Reply-To: <512459.50041.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <CF7E90314CEF47029754182E5CDFCB1D@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W27C90470F05B1BC4CC946EB8CB0@phx.gbl>

where you're actually looking for the shiftiest one!  ;)

> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:31:19 -0700
>
> Kind of like The Dating Game
>
> jjf
> Wallingford, CT
>
> From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
>
> > I have three candidate transmissions, all in unknown condition.

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  9 06:36:16 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:36:16 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <707547.15027.qm@web50609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6DC7A549231A46FF95667F4794F70F4A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W12E19AEA04BCB658BD95AAB8CB0@phx.gbl>

Well, I'm pretty sure it was a 327.  I remember there was a young lady friend
who had a Firebird or Camaro with a 326 in it and I believe she said it was
rare in Canada.  (US spec?)  Might be interesting to research.



> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
> > RD, if I'm not mistaken, Pontiac had
> > a 326 until 1967 and that was opened up
> > to a 350 in 68 -- unless the 327 was a transplant.
> >
> > LAD
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Not much of a story, but the first car that I drove was a
> > '68 Pontiac
> > Parisienne with a 327. My mother drove my sister and
> > I down to the local
> > ballpark which had a dirt lane around it and let us
> > practice our driving.
> > It
> > didn't take me long to start drifting and she quietly
> > excused herself from
> > the
> > car and went and sat under a tree and read a book. It
> > would do at least 105
> > on the highway.
> >
> >
> >
> > RD

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  9 07:24:55 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:24:55 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
Message-ID: <BAY112-W43963C4220FA8BBC89198B8CB0@phx.gbl>

Check out this google search.  I searched for "pontiac parisienne 1968 327" (
yeah, I need more coffee ), but limited my results to "pages from Canada".



http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1W1RNWN_en&q=pontiac+parisienne+1968+32
7&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryCA



or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yl63tyj




for a trip down memory lane:

Pontiac images:

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Pontiac/Pontiac1960-1970.html



There are 2 more links towards the bottom of the page to get you to 2
different time periods.

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 07:57:56 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:57:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W43963C4220FA8BBC89198B8CB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-W43963C4220FA8BBC89198B8CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <402188520910090657qc4bf1benccd0b42b4e9f6697@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM,  <robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Check out this google search.  I searched for "pontiac parisienne 1968 327"
(
> yeah, I need more coffee ), but limited my results to "pages from Canada".

Interesting how not one of them wanted to show a picture of the engine...
David L

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  9 08:37:03 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:37:03 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
In-Reply-To: <402188520910090657qc4bf1benccd0b42b4e9f6697@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY112-W43963C4220FA8BBC89198B8CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W7CA644C3A0FA36810B0DAB8CB0@phx.gbl>

Well, if my poor memory is correct, there were flags on either side of the
badge that read 327, so you could look for that on the fenders.



> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:57:56 -0500
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, <robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Check out this google search. I searched for "pontiac parisienne 1968
327"
> (
> > yeah, I need more coffee ), but limited my results to "pages from
Canada".
>
> Interesting how not one of them wanted to show a picture of the engine...
> David L

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  9 08:43:17 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:43:17 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
In-Reply-To: <402188520910090657qc4bf1benccd0b42b4e9f6697@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY112-W43963C4220FA8BBC89198B8CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W2039E2C64FC211F314ADBB8CB0@phx.gbl>

Hmmm!  More generically, ... are you saying that in the US, you didn't have a
327 at all?

> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:57:56 -0500
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, <robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Check out this google search. I searched for "pontiac parisienne 1968
327"
> (
> > yeah, I need more coffee ), but limited my results to "pages from
Canada".
>
> Interesting how not one of them wanted to show a picture of the engine...
> David L

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  9 08:46:34 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W43963C4220FA8BBC89198B8CB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-W43963C4220FA8BBC89198B8CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CDB76E14AC4D4068AFA5B2ADB9A578CF@HomePC>

Here is a wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_V8_engine

It says Canadian built Pontiacs used Chevy motors, so I guess that explains 
it.  That's a new one on me.  I wonder why they did that?  I knew a couple 
of guys back in the late 60's/early 70's who had 326 Firebirds.


--------------------------------------------------
From: <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:24 AM
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327

Check out this google search.  I searched for "pontiac parisienne 1968 327" 
(
yeah, I need more coffee ), but limited my results to "pages from Canada".



http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1W1RNWN_en&q=pontiac+parisienne+1968+32
7&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryCA



or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yl63tyj




for a trip down memory lane:

Pontiac images:

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Pontiac/Pontiac1960-1970.html



There are 2 more links towards the bottom of the page to get you to 2
different time periods.
You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net

http://www.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets 

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Fri Oct  9 09:05:20 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:05:20 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>,
	<402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>

I wonder when some idiot legislator will try to outlaw "lead" pencils 
??

On 8 Oct 2009 at 16:41, David Lieb wrote:

>> Next year they will outlaw the existence of lead ore...


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From lindlaw at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 09:16:08 2009
From: lindlaw at yahoo.com (Ed Lindley)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:16:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W2039E2C64FC211F314ADBB8CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <198407.82645.qm@web50605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That was strictly a Chevy engine, that debuted about 1959 through late 60s.
Peak opower was thne Rochester fuel injcted version, 360 hp (Vette only),
IIRC. 58 saw a modified truck engine the 348, later increased to the 409.  The
latter two not available in the Vette tho.

   Ed in SD
--- On Fri, 10/9/09, robertduquette at sympatico.ca <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
> To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 7:43 AM
> Hmmm!  More generically, ... are
> you saying that in the US, you didn't have a
> 327 at all?
>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:57:56 -0500
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM, <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
> > > Check out this google search. I searched for
> "pontiac parisienne 1968
> 327"
> > (
> > > yeah, I need more coffee ), but limited my
> results to "pages from
> Canada".
> >
> > Interesting how not one of them wanted to show a
> picture of the engine...
> > David L
> _______________________________________________
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Fri Oct  9 09:36:06 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:36:06 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
	<402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C7FC97FAE08D4C71BEE601D435CBC923@Home>

>I wonder when some idiot legislator will try to outlaw "lead" pencils

A few years ago, an environmental whacko in NJ tried to get the name, "Fish 
Kill"  changed to something more PC.  She did not know that Kill means Creek 
in Dutch.

They're everywhere!  They're everywhere!

Michael Rowe 

From racerbob70 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 09:58:24 2009
From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [MGVR] Donna Mae
Message-ID: <410860.11700.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 
  For the old racers within the group!!!!!

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Chris Meyers <cvair1 at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Chris Meyers <cvair1 at comcast.net>
Subject: [MGVR] Donna Mae
To: MGVR at yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 8:35 AM


 





To Everyone;
Donna Mae Mims passed away Tuesday.  Please read her obituary below, courtesy
Dave Nicholas (BARC). 
 
Chris Meyers, Editor
MG Vintage Racers' Newsletter
www.mgvr.org
editor at mgvr. org
 

From: davnik6 at gmail. com [mailto:davnik6@ gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Nicholas
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:22 PM
To: DN
Subject: Donna Mae
 
Donna Mae Mims, 82, of Bridgeville, died Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2009. Born July
1, 1927, to George Warnoch and Margaret Bodner. She was known by many as
the "Pink Lady,""Think Pink,""Donna Amazing" and even "Free Maui". Donna
started racing in 1958 and was the first woman driver ever to win a Sports Car
Club of America National Championship H Production 1963. Her career
and involvement in Yenko led her to racing such cars as the Camaro, Austin
Healy, MG, Corvette and Corvairs. She worked for Yenko Chevrolet and
Yenko sports car division as executive secretary for both and was the liaison
for
design and production with the Yenko sports car division with such cars as the
Deuce, Camaro, Nova, Cheville and Corvair. She worked closely with Zora
Arkus Dontuv, Ed Cole and the pioneers of Chevrolet Racing. She
coordinated parts delivery and car development of Corvette Race Cars in
Canonsburg. 

 

She raced many times in Sebring, Daytona and Riverside. Donna Mae was
as original participant in the original Cannonball Run where her 1968 Cadillac
Limo was wrecked with her teammate behind the wheel. She was known as being
able to go toe to toe with some of the best drivers in the country at speeds
up to 140 miles per hour. She was an avid longtime member of the SCCA and her
other interests included Jazz music and teaching Sunday school as an active
member in Mt. Lebanon United Methodist Church. 

 

Funeral arrangements by BEINHAUERS, Peters Township, 724-941-3211. Friends are
welcome to attend a celebration of her life from 2 to 8 p.m. Saturday and
Sunday. Additional visitation from 10a.m. Monday until time of service at 11
a.m. Memorial contributions may be made to the National Corvette Museum,
Bowling Green, Kentucky. 

 

Please add or view tributes at www.beinhauerfamily services. com
(http://www.beinhaue rfamilyservices. com).


*Sign Donna Mims's online guestbook now
(http://www.livingtr ibutes.com/ cobr/pittsburgli ve/guestbook. php?ltid=
1031&fn
=Donna&mn=M.&ln=Mims&ct=Bridgeville&st=Pa).*
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 10:01:04 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:01:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
	<402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910090901gd5e6a97p32e00bb3855f3bec@mail.gmail.com>

> On 8 Oct 2009 at 16:41, David Lieb wrote:
>
> >> Next year they will outlaw the existence of lead ore...
>

ore?  ORE!!???  That is an offensive term to "working girls"!!   I expect a
national apology!!

Cheers!!
Jim

From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 10:09:10 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:09:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <425959.13219.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Dave G. <kk7ss at verizon.net> wrote:
> I wonder when some idiot legislator
> will try to outlaw "lead" pencils 

"Everyone knows lead pencils are really made with graphite." - Felix Unger on the TV show "Password" when Oscar clued him with "Lead...." when the password was pencil, and Felix responded with "graphite." 

"Everything Gives You Cancer." - Joe Jackson song, ca. 1980s

Ron
Winter seems to be starting here, sorry!

From mgmaven at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  9 10:16:22 2009
From: mgmaven at bellsouth.net (Bob Spruck)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:16:22 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [MGVR] Donna Mae
Message-ID: <4.1.20091009121420.00bf28f8@mail.bellsouth.net>

> The following is from the MG Vintage Racers List. One of the most successful
> Sprite racers has passed on. 


Think Pink!

Bob




>
> To Everyone;
>
> Donna Mae Mims passed away Tuesday.  Please read her obituary below, courtesy
> Dave Nicholas (BARC).  
>
>  
>
> Chris Meyers, Editor
>
> MG Vintage Racers' Newsletter
>
> www.mgvr.org
>
> editor at mgvr.org
>
>  
>
> From: davnik6 at gmail.com [mailto:davnik6 at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nicholas
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:22 PM
> To: DN
> Subject: Donna Mae
>
>  
>
> Donna Mae Mims, 82, of Bridgeville, died Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2009. Born July 1,
> 1927, to George Warnoch and Margaret Bodner. She was known by many as the
> "Pink Lady,""Think Pink,""Donna Amazing" and even "Free Maui". Donna started
> racing in 1958 and was the first woman driver ever to win a Sports Car Club
> of America National Championship H Production 1963. Her career and
> involvement in Yenko led her to racing such cars as the Camaro, Austin
> Healy, MG, Corvette and Corvairs. She worked for Yenko Chevrolet and Yenko
> sports car division as executive secretary for both and was the liaison for
> design and production with the Yenko sports car division with such cars as
> the Deuce, Camaro, Nova, Cheville and Corvair. She worked closely with Zora
> Arkus Dontuv, Ed Cole and the pioneers of Chevrolet Racing. She coordinated
> parts delivery and car development of Corvette Race Cars in Canonsburg. 
>
>  
>
> She raced many times in Sebring, Daytona and Riverside. Donna Mae was as
> original participant in the original Cannonball Run where her 1968 Cadillac
> Limo was wrecked with her teammate behind the wheel. She was known as being
> able to go toe to toe with some of the best drivers in the country at speeds
> up to 140 miles per hour. She was an avid longtime member of the SCCA and her
> other interests included Jazz music and teaching Sunday school as an active
> member in Mt. Lebanon United Methodist Church. 
>
>  
>
> Funeral arrangements by BEINHAUERS, Peters Township, 724-941-3211. Friends
> are welcome to attend a celebration of her life from 2 to 8 p.m. Saturday and
> Sunday. Additional visitation from 10a.m. Monday until time of service at 11
> a.m. Memorial contributions may be made to the National Corvette Museum,
> Bowling Green, Kentucky. 
>
>  
>
> Please add or view tributes at
> <http://www.beinhauerfamilyservices.com>www.beinhauerfamilyservices.com
>
>
> (<http://www.beinhauerfamilyservices.com>http://www.beinhauerfamilyservice
> s.com).
>
>
> *Sign Donna Mims's online guestbook now
>
> (<http://www.livingtributes.com/cobr/pittsburglive/guestbook.php?ltid=1031
>
> &fn%0d%0a=Donna&mn=M.&ln=Mims&ct=Bridgeville&st=Pa).*>http://www.livingtri
> butes.com/cobr/pittsburglive/guestbook.php?ltid=1031&fn
> =Donna&mn=M.&ln=Mims&ct=Bridgeville&st=Pa).*

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  9 10:22:03 2009
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>,
	<402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <BLU103-W15ED891C97BDDC2F15E8D1C2CB0@phx.gbl>

Already have,

their graphite.......


Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!



> From: kk7ss at verizon.net
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:05:20 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] get the lead out
>
> I wonder when some idiot legislator will try to outlaw "lead" pencils
> ??
>
> On 8 Oct 2009 at 16:41, David Lieb wrote:
>
> >> Next year they will outlaw the existence of lead ore...
>
>
> --
> Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
> '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
> '65 MK III A-H Sprite
> '76 MKIV 1500 Midget
>
> Age is just another number... !
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From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  9 10:25:24 2009
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:25:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910090015r54cd717ay19d4058e1b596271@mail.gmail.com>
References: <707547.15027.qm@web50609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<C6F3EE07.21423%billyzoom@billyzoom.com> 
Message-ID: <BLU103-W10DB67BF95DB38FF45F5E6C2CB0@phx.gbl>

As a teenager, I remember working in my Mom and stepdads auto
parts store, and my stepdad grilling in to me to make sure the
customer knew WHICH 350 they had in their car.
Buick Olds Chevy or Pontiac. Their were differences and
lots of things were not interchangeable.

I still remember the Pontiac acronym,

poor ol numbskull thinks it's a caddilac........


Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!



> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:15:08 -0500
> From: tequila.brad at gmail.com
> To: billyzoom at billyzoom.com
> CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
> True, the water pump on a Pontiac 350 would NEVER fit a SBC 350
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:
>
> > > the entire GM line went with the 350 for a good number of years.
> > But that's a small block. Pontiac also had a 350 big block in the
> > Seventies.
> > Don't confuse them or you'll never get the right parts.
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From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 10:28:40 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:28:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910090901gd5e6a97p32e00bb3855f3bec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
	<402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<43840a7e0910090901gd5e6a97p32e00bb3855f3bec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910090928t4a46b162of825bfe73888fc11@mail.gmail.com>

> ore?  ORE!!???  That is an offensive term to "working girls"!!   I expect a
> national apology!!

Yes, Ma'am!

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  9 10:33:12 2009
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:33:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <707547.15027.qm@web50609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6DC7A549231A46FF95667F4794F70F4A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W278B5F8CCC75A2FC68F4CC2CB0@phx.gbl>

350 started in 1967, and the 305 didn't come out til 76,
as a  more fuel friendly V8. 305's of the seventies and early 80's
were some of the worst V8's chevy
ever made. at least the heads were, notorious for bad valve guides.


Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!



> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:04 -0700
> From: lindlaw at yahoo.com
> To: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net
> CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
> I don't berlieve they did anything to the 326.  The 350 was an opended 305
and
> the entire GM line went with the 350 for a good number of years.  This was
> part of the continuing homogenization of GM, where ultimately the only
> differences twixt the "brands" were the name plates and price tags.
Universal
> chassis, the bulk of the body panels, engines transmissions, et al.
>    Ed in SD
>
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From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct  9 10:55:10 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:55:10 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch rattle
Message-ID: <d5a.52faaa20.3800c4ee@aol.com>

You don't, you get one of them rebuilt and use that one??
 
In a message dated 09/10/2009 00:57:25 GMT Daylight Time,  
mdrowe at optonline.net writes:

How do I  test these transmissions before I 
put one in?

From mikey at b2systems.com  Fri Oct  9 11:15:00 2009
From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910090901gd5e6a97p32e00bb3855f3bec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009b01ca485c$b528edf0$1f7ac9d0$@net>
	<402188520910081441w39c78ea4xc57c8337d4ce4f9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACF5130.658.13F5C3@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<43840a7e0910090901gd5e6a97p32e00bb3855f3bec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255108500.3785.61.camel@WebBrowser>

 Congratulations, for the very first time a obscure reference has been
made that I don't get, I usually can follow along with all the obscure
references and attempts at humor but this time you guys lost me.  And I
do know what a working girl is but maybe I my mind in the gutter when it
should not be.  Please edumacate me.

	mike

On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 11:01 -0500, Jim Johnson wrote:
> > On 8 Oct 2009 at 16:41, David Lieb wrote:
> >
> > >> Next year they will outlaw the existence of lead ore...
> >
> 
> ore?  ORE!!???  That is an offensive term to "working girls"!!   I expect a
> national apology!!

From haynes386 at netzero.net  Fri Oct  9 11:30:35 2009
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:30:35 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
Message-ID: <20091009.113035.8158.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Or maybe they'll just repeal the Law of Gravity. After all, it limits our
ability to increase fuel mileage by causing rolling friction!  HEE HEE!


Mark Haynes
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 12:02:14 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <1255108500.3785.61.camel@WebBrowser>
Message-ID: <430455.6352.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Put on your best cockney accent - "That's no lady, mate. She's a bleedin'
'ore, that one is."

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, mike rambour <mikey at b2systems.com> wrote:
>  Congratulations, for the very first
> time a obscure reference has been
> made that I don't get, I usually can follow along with all
> the obscure
> references and attempts at humor but this time you guys
> lost me.  And I
> do know what a working girl is but maybe I my mind in the
> gutter when it
> should not be.  Please edumacate me.

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Fri Oct  9 12:10:32 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <20091009.113035.8158.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091009.113035.8158.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF7C98.20883.BD84FB@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Well, most of them are lawyers, so they'll already know how to get 
around that one !

"All peoples are equal, but some peoples are more equal than others"
(with apologies to George Orwell.)

On 9 Oct 2009 at 17:30, Mark Haynes wrote:

>> Or maybe they'll just repeal the Law of Gravity.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From mikey at b2systems.com  Fri Oct  9 12:14:29 2009
From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:14:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <430455.6352.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <430455.6352.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1255112069.3785.62.camel@WebBrowser>

 Ok thanks for the education, my mind was correctly in the gutter but I
was not spelling things correctly...thanks for the help...back to
subject matter please.

From frog.aye at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 12:49:34 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:49:34 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <430455.6352.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1255108500.3785.61.camel@WebBrowser>
	<430455.6352.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4333f8140910091149n449bda15ia37974f88068fc86@mail.gmail.com>

Or, perhaps, "them's not 'ores.  One's me mum and t' other's me sister."

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Put on your best cockney accent - "That's no lady, mate. She's a bleedin'
> 'ore, that one is."
>
> --- On Fri, 10/9/09, mike rambour <mikey at b2systems.com> wrote:
> >  Congratulations, for the very first
> > time a obscure reference has been
> > made that I don't get, I usually can follow along with all
> > the obscure
> > references and attempts at humor but this time you guys
> > lost me.  And I
> > do know what a working girl is but maybe I my mind in the
> > gutter when it
> > should not be.  Please edumacate me.
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From abcoz at hky.com  Fri Oct  9 10:04:30 2009
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:04:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327
In-Reply-To: <198407.82645.qm@web50605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <198407.82645.qm@web50605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CD9CDF77C80D422EA527C333DC77F041@OwnerPC>

Highest output for Chevy's 327 was 375 horsepower (SAE), with fuel 
injection, from roughly the '65 thru '67 model year Corvettes.
The 348 and 409 engines were a completely different design than the 327 (of 
the fabled "small-block" family) and didn't "breathe" nearly as well.  Good 
truck engine, I suppose.  Pontiac's 347, 370, 389 & 421 engine was, I think, 
a far superior design to Chevy's 348/409
Although my family's '67 LeMans had the 326, I never really paid much 
attention to the engine, other than checking the oil (which became pretty 
boring because it never burned any oil).  The poor thing was coupled to a 2 
speed automatic (Chevy's Power Glide automatic), which made it 
not-too-exciting, although still delivering adequate acceleration.  By then, 
the Pontiac's OHC 6 was getting a lot of positive press in C&D (a magazine I 
despised) and the 326 was pretty much ignored by the enthusiast crowd.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Lindley" <lindlaw at yahoo.com>
To: <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 1968 Pontiac Parisienne with 327


> That was strictly a Chevy engine, that debuted about 1959 through late 
> 60s.
> Peak opower was thne Rochester fuel injcted version, 360 hp (Vette only),
> IIRC. 58 saw a modified truck engine the 348, later increased to the 409. 
> The
> latter two not available in the Vette tho.
>
>   Ed in SD

From spritenut at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 14:19:13 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <430455.6352.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <430455.6352.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF9AC1.3030101@comcast.net>

Ron Soave wrote:
> Put on your best cockney accent - "That's no lady, mate. She's a bleedin'
> 'ore, that one is."
>
>   
Or you can call em that word Santa Claus can't use anymore.
You now, the weight challenged little fellow in a red suit that shows up 
around the winter festival season.
He comes down your chimney and says Ha Ha Ha


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct  9 15:06:36 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:06:36 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
Message-ID: <be9.5e7f04d0.3800ffdc@aol.com>

Wheel weights in the UK switched to Zinc (Zn) a couple of years ago.   I 
don't suppose anyone noticed except folk like me that used to pick up  
discarded weights to melt down in the hope that one day they'll be able to find  an 
old lead soldier mould.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 08/10/2009 22:35:54 GMT Daylight Time,  
wmseverin at charter.net writes:

I heard  recently the state of Wisconsin is  voting on a bill  to outlaw  
lead
wheel weights due potential ecological  issues..

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct  9 15:08:53 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:08:53 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC-- At the good old clinic!
Message-ID: <ce1.5686de3c.38010065@aol.com>

Good news especially that you didn't have to have any shots in the  
buttocks!  Must be a British think I guess or the whim of the nurse that  makes you 
have at least one shot in the cheek?
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 08/10/2009 22:57:48 GMT Daylight Time,  
PAsgeirsson at att.net writes:

SIX  shots in both arms!  I didn't cry!

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Fri Oct  9 15:34:39 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:34:39 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] get the lead out
In-Reply-To: <be9.5e7f04d0.3800ffdc@aol.com>
References: <be9.5e7f04d0.3800ffdc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4ACFAC6F.7024.178653F@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Or like me, who used them to cast .50 cal bullets for a Zouave ;-)

On 9 Oct 2009 at 17:06, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote:

>> except folk like me that used to pick up  
>> discarded weights to melt down in the hope that one day they'll be
>> able to find an old lead soldier mould.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 15:45:52 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:45:52 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] OT, if you have something to do, DELETE NOW!!
Message-ID: <e98d88090910091445t44792504ub5d1691f6c6a723d@mail.gmail.com>

But it is Friday night, if you are bored, grab a sixer, and look through
this crap......


http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

-- 
DON JULIO 1942

www.myspace.com/tequilabrad

From billmasq at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  9 18:13:32 2009
From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:13:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
 2009 .....I'm in mourning
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W278B5F8CCC75A2FC68F4CC2CB0@phx.gbl>
References: <6DC7A549231A46FF95667F4794F70F4A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W2C8A99E593319241D3A05CACA0@phx.gbl>

I was always of the belief that the 326 was a big block and the 327 was a
small block, the 350 was either.

BillM

> From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:33:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end December
2009 .....I'm in mourning
>
> 350 started in 1967, and the 305 didn't come out til 76,
> as a more fuel friendly V8. 305's of the seventies and early 80's
> were some of the worst V8's chevy
> ever made. at least the heads were, notorious for bad valve guides.
>
>
> Brian S.
> Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:04 -0700
> > From: lindlaw at yahoo.com
> > To: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net
> > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC......Both the Pontiac & Saturn end
December
> 2009 .....I'm in mourning
> >
> > I don't berlieve they did anything to the 326. The 350 was an opended 305
> and
> > the entire GM line went with the 350 for a good number of years. This was
> > part of the continuing homogenization of GM, where ultimately the only
> > differences twixt the "brands" were the name plates and price tags.
> Universal
> > chassis, the bulk of the body panels, engines transmissions, et al.
> > Ed in SD
> >
> >
>
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From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 18:32:09 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [MGVR] Donna Mae
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20091009121420.00bf28f8@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <872021.94790.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Truly a great lady of racing from a time when not too many ladies raced.

Think pink!

Rick

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Bob Spruck <mgmaven at bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: Bob Spruck <mgmaven at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [MGVR] Donna Mae
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>, team-thicko at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:16 PM

> The following is from the MG Vintage Racers List. One of the most
successful
> Sprite racers has passed on.


Think Pink!

Bob




>
> To Everyone;
>
> Donna Mae Mims passed away Tuesday.  Please read her obituary below,
courtesy
> Dave Nicholas (BARC). 
>
> 

From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct  9 20:36:09 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: [MGVR] Donna Mae
In-Reply-To: <872021.94790.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <872021.94790.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACFF319.7010601@justbrits.com>

<<Truly a great lady of racing from a time when not too many ladies raced.

Think pink!     >>

One of the best things I have read yet, Rick.  I got to meet
her at Marlboro Race Track - Marlboro, MD ( RIP also ) and
she treated me like I was an old friend<G> !!!

'Course it might helped that my Dad's Dentist introduced us<G>!
Remember the 'Vette Driver Dr. Dick Thompson ???
Man was INSANE.  He gave me my very first 'hot lap'
"experience" at same venue !!!!  GREAT chap also.

Ed
Please visit MY site at:
www.justbrits.com

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 21:05:19 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:05:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Tip of the day...
Message-ID: <93876BF70A354707B56827B1006514A5@blackbox2>

Problem: The dash lights sockets on the Bugeye often pop out easily from the holes on the gauges.
No only inconvienent but dangerous, as the unconnected bulb/socket essentially becomes a hot lead swinging in the breeze.

Solution:  Plug them back in and paint Plasti-Dip ( http://www.plastidip.com/ ) around the joint perimeter. 
A thin coat holds them in place and is easily cut loose for bulb changing.

From wmseverin at charter.net  Sat Oct 10 05:45:36 2009
From: wmseverin at charter.net (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 the Erection today and tomorrow...
Message-ID: <000f01ca499f$2eebe640$8cc3b2c0$@net>

"SOS '09 the Erection" will take place this Saturday and Sunday in
Princeton, WI. Among many other things, we'll be erecting a MaxJax lift in
the shop. 

 

http://www.maxjaxusa.com/ (You have a filthy mind.) 

 

In years past we've had "SOS Idgets with Spridgets", and "SOS The Winter of
Our Discontent", amongst other themes. SOS stand for "Save Our Sprites" or
"Save our Spirdgets" Basically, like minded Austin Healey Spite and MG
Midget owners descend on my shop over a 2-3 day period and work on,
assemble, dismantle, tune cars. Often it's been a couple of cars that an
owner couldn't finish by himself, or lacked the tools or skills to complete.
We gather up in teams depending on the number of projects, and get to it.
This year, my own projects... move to a new shop, has gotten the attention. 

 

"SOS" is an offshoot of "OSHIT", (Organized Sprite Handymen In Transit",
which started out on the East Coast. We've had people fly in or drive great
distances to attend. We've had as many as 20 attendees each day, although
this event will be smaller. usually we hold SOS the Fri. & Sat. after
Thanksgiving. 

 

The event will be broadcast via Yahoo Messenger in real time, with the
ability for the viewing audience to watch via webcam speak to us in real
time. To view the broadcast, add "floundervision" to your contact list on
Yahoo Messenger. You'll be invited to a conference Sat & Sun.If you have a
mic, you can speak to us. Please do not ask us to view your camera... but
you're welcome to view ours. 

 

If you'd like to attend in person, please contact me offline for directions.


 

 

 

WST

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 13:07:34 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:07:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] kinda purty
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W10913421788BEE9B1B1552B8CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-W10913421788BEE9B1B1552B8CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <205cef430910101207q2d5a6c94vadf6e58e8538bb2c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Alan is that your bonnet that you are making?
Looks good why didn't Healey or MG make production cars with them?
Lin

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM, <robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote:

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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 13:10:42 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:10:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] really nice 66 Sprite with Libres on craigslist
Message-ID: <205cef430910101210r700b06ekdbb20b08b02d8a2@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know who this guy is? This is the same car I modeled my car with
libre's on it.
This is stunning.
I emailed if he would sell me his Libre's but now I want his Sprite  : ) I
asked for copies of his photos I really like the shots.
Lin

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/1411884643.html

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 13:26:41 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:26:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiac 327 Le Mans Tempest
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910101226h1595cc6bo4393c68396d3da78@mail.gmail.com>

This was the car we owned when we first got married - but with a 327.

Same body as the GOAT. .  heavy body.  . but too bad it was not the GTO.

My father in law bought it for my wife.  Sold my Datsun pickup truck for
college funds . .

The car was simply unbreakable. .  nothing ever went wrong with it. .  even
with well over 100k on the odometer.  It later went to my mother who put on
another 50k miles on the thing.

I bought a V6 Capri with a 5 speed stick (or 4 speed, I don't recall).  We
spent the majority of our time in our 1960 Old English White MGA.

But the Pontiac will always hold a place in my heart.  Wish we had never
gotten rid of it.

Of course, had it been the GTO.  . I hope that I would have had the smarts
to have held on to it.


Krik

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 13:57:13 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:57:13 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I'm getting going on the Midget.  Never having done some of this stuff
before, I have a few questions which may be pretty elementary for a lot of
you but they are things I've simply never been involved with before.

I have a small compressor - a Clarke AC2000A - 2HP, 6 Gal tank which does
5.0 CFM at 90 PSI.  Too small to drive high volume tools, but OK for smaller
stuff and for painting.  It came with some really flimsy 1/4 inch yellow air
hose that is all coiled up. When you pull the coil out, it pinches off the
flow. I want to replace the hose with some better stuff. I'm wondering how
hard it would be to go up to 3/8 ID air hose. Any thoughts welcome on
this....

--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 14:12:00 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:12:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910101312p57263bbdk71d19149f08d5277@mail.gmail.com>

Can't beat good-quality 3/8" hose.  Check your nipples.
I believe BMW recommends it....

Herb

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, I'm getting going on the Midget.  Never having done some of this
> stuff
> before, I have a few questions which may be pretty elementary for a lot of
> you but they are things I've simply never been involved with before.
>
> I have a small compressor - a Clarke AC2000A - 2HP, 6 Gal tank which does
> 5.0 CFM at 90 PSI.  Too small to drive high volume tools, but OK for
> smaller
> stuff and for painting.  It came with some really flimsy 1/4 inch yellow
> air
> hose that is all coiled up. When you pull the coil out, it pinches off the
> flow. I want to replace the hose with some better stuff. I'm wondering how
> hard it would be to go up to 3/8 ID air hose. Any thoughts welcome on
> this....
>
> --
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
> not
> sure about the former.  - Albert Einstein
>



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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 14:15:55 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:15:55 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910101312p57263bbdk71d19149f08d5277@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910101312p57263bbdk71d19149f08d5277@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910101315p6824c0bby9a5d5140917b8f46@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Herb.  The air chuck on the compressor is 1/4 inch. I guess my
question is two pronged... 1) is there 1/4" to 3/8" adapter?  and  2) will
this compressor work OK using a 3/8" hose?

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can't beat good-quality 3/8" hose.  Check your nipples.
> I believe BMW recommends it....
>
> Herb
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'm getting going on the Midget.  Never having done some of this
>> stuff
>> before, I have a few questions which may be pretty elementary for a lot of
>> you but they are things I've simply never been involved with before.
>>
>> I have a small compressor - a Clarke AC2000A - 2HP, 6 Gal tank which does
>> 5.0 CFM at 90 PSI.  Too small to drive high volume tools, but OK for
>> smaller
>> stuff and for painting.  It came with some really flimsy 1/4 inch yellow
>> air
>> hose that is all coiled up. When you pull the coil out, it pinches off the
>> flow. I want to replace the hose with some better stuff. I'm wondering how
>> hard it would be to go up to 3/8 ID air hose. Any thoughts welcome on
>> this....
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!!
>> Jim
>>  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
>> not
>> sure about the former.  - Albert Einstein
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> forward this correspondence, PLEASE DELETE THE FORWARDING HISTORY, which
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From frog.aye at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 15:00:12 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:00:12 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Wide band O2 sensor
Message-ID: <4333f8140910101400w6d7dda38ifc11bc1380d6bea5@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, any Spridigeteers out there ever use a wide band O2 sensor with a
Maniflow mid bore LCB header?  Where would one put the thing?  The logical
place (it seems to me) is after the three pipes join; however, this is
pretty far down and it will be difficult to get the sensor in the
reccommended "10--2" position.  The other thing I am concerned about is that
the sensor would be rather exposed down under the floorboards and would need
some form of physical protection.
Also the header seems to hang well below the bottom of the car, thus
reducing ground clearance but leaving more room between the exhaust pipe and
the floor pan.  I guess my feet won't be so hot.  Anybody experienced that
with LCB headers in a bugeye? The space, not the hot feet!
Hal

From frog.aye at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 15:04:33 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:04:33 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910101315p6824c0bby9a5d5140917b8f46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910101312p57263bbdk71d19149f08d5277@mail.gmail.com>
	<43840a7e0910101315p6824c0bby9a5d5140917b8f46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4333f8140910101404m2b44a179pa7291ac622a6d829@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
The 3/8 hose I have has 1/4NPT fittings on the end.  Rubber hose is much
more user friendly than lightweight flexible plastic.  Easy to add quick
release fittings.  Be aware that there are at least 2 types of QR and they
don't mix.  By good quality fittings as the junk that is made you-know-where
will last about long enough for you to drop it in the garbage can!
Hal

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Herb.  The air chuck on the compressor is 1/4 inch. I guess my
> question is two pronged... 1) is there 1/4" to 3/8" adapter?  and  2) will
> this compressor work OK using a 3/8" hose?
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can't beat good-quality 3/8" hose.  Check your nipples.
> > I believe BMW recommends it....
> >
> > Herb
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Okay, I'm getting going on the Midget.  Never having done some of this
> >> stuff
> >> before, I have a few questions which may be pretty elementary for a lot
> of
> >> you but they are things I've simply never been involved with before.
> >>
> >> I have a small compressor - a Clarke AC2000A - 2HP, 6 Gal tank which
> does
> >> 5.0 CFM at 90 PSI.  Too small to drive high volume tools, but OK for
> >> smaller
> >> stuff and for painting.  It came with some really flimsy 1/4 inch yellow
> >> air
> >> hose that is all coiled up. When you pull the coil out, it pinches off
> the
> >> flow. I want to replace the hose with some better stuff. I'm wondering
> how
> >> hard it would be to go up to 3/8 ID air hose. Any thoughts welcome on
> >> this....
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers!!
> >> Jim
> >>  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I
> am
> >> not
> >> sure about the former.  - Albert Einstein
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > forward this correspondence, PLEASE DELETE THE FORWARDING HISTORY, which
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> > propagated!  IT ALSO PROTECTS YOU.
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>
>
>
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> not
> sure about the former.  - Albert Einstein
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From jimndi at frontiernet.net  Sat Oct 10 15:23:45 2009
From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim  F.)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:23:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hershey Car Show
Message-ID: <E55D64FC0B2149C295750CF84A7E11B8@MAINCOMPUTER>

Just got home from Hershey Swapmeet and Car Show, Found 1 61 Bugeye in the
show. Pretty dissapointed even though it was a nice one.

From chris_west at juno.com  Sat Oct 10 15:25:35 2009
From: chris_west at juno.com (chris_west)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:25:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] was Not LBC...Both the Pontiac and Saturn....now GM
 engine families
Message-ID: <20091010.142646.1223.10517@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>

For the record AFAIK:        Pontiac "Big Block" displacements (CI), year
introduced               Pontiac "Small Block" displacements (CI), year
introduced
                                                         287 ,    1955   
                                                                         
  265 ,     1980
                                                         316 ,    1956   
                                                                         
  301 ,     1977
                                                         347 ,    1957   
                                                                         
  303 ,     1969
                                                         370 ,    1958   
                                                                         
  326 ,     1964
                                                         389 ,    1959   
                                                                         
  336 ,     1963
                                                         400 ,    1967   
                                                                         
  350 ,     1968
                                                         421 ,    1961
                                                         428 ,    1967
                                                         455 ,    1970

                                             Chevrolet "Big Block"
displacements (CI), year introduced         Chevrolet "Small Block"
displacements, year introduced
                                                         348,     1958   
                                                                         
  262,     1975
                                                         366,     1965   
                                                                         
  265,     1955
                                                         396,     1965   
                                                                         
  267,     1979
                                                         402,     1970   
                                                                         
  283,     1957
                                                         409,     1961   
                                                                         
  302,     1967
                                                         427,     1966   
                                                                         
  305,     1975
                                                         454,     1970   
                                                                         
  307,     1968
                                                                         
                                                                         
         327,     1962
                                                                         
                                                                         
         350,     1967
                                                                         
                                                                         
         400,     1970


Buick, Oldsmobile and Cadillac engines were also grouped into "Big
Blocks" and "Small Blocks" but there were actually more variations among
them and therefore defy any sort of straightforward classification.      
 
Chris - AN5L35xxx
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From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 15:37:11 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Wide band O2 sensor
References: <4333f8140910101400w6d7dda38ifc11bc1380d6bea5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <502C00A5F2E4482982761FC70609F8DD@blackbox2>

I don't have an LCB header. Instead, I have an old equal length 3 into 1 that an H-production 
friend gave me a while back.

I ended up obtaining a tight turn exhaust elbow and rewelding it to get good ground clearance.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hal Faulkner" <frog.aye at gmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] Wide band O2 sensor


> Hey, any Spridigeteers out there ever use a wide band O2 sensor with a
> Maniflow mid bore LCB header?  Where would one put the thing?  The logical
> place (it seems to me) is after the three pipes join; however, this is
> pretty far down and it will be difficult to get the sensor in the
> reccommended "10--2" position.  The other thing I am concerned about is that
> the sensor would be rather exposed down under the floorboards and would need
> some form of physical protection.
> Also the header seems to hang well below the bottom of the car, thus
> reducing ground clearance but leaving more room between the exhaust pipe and
> the floor pan.  I guess my feet won't be so hot.  Anybody experienced that
> with LCB headers in a bugeye? The space, not the hot feet!

From chris_west at juno.com  Sat Oct 10 15:38:07 2009
From: chris_west at juno.com (chris_west)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:38:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff
Message-ID: <20091010.143947.1223.10529@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>

Jim Johnson wrote:
                  The air chuck on the compressor is 1/4 inch. I guess my
question is two pronged... 1) is there 1/4" to 3/8" adapter?  and  2)
will
this compressor work OK using a 3/8" hose?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim - (Jumping in here)  Most "commercial" air hoses like I sell are 3/8"
ID and will work fine with your compressor.  They come with a choice of
either 3/8 or 1/4 pipe thread ends already attached.  Almost all light
duty compressors will have the 3/8 pipe thread outlet.        


Chris - AN5L35xxx
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From sales at justbrits.com  Sat Oct 10 15:47:11 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:47:11 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <4333f8140910101404m2b44a179pa7291ac622a6d829@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910101312p57263bbdk71d19149f08d5277@mail.gmail.com>
	<43840a7e0910101315p6824c0bby9a5d5140917b8f46@mail.gmail.com>
	<4333f8140910101404m2b44a179pa7291ac622a6d829@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD100DF.5060203@justbrits.com>

<< will last about long enough for you to drop it in the garbage can! >>

A LONG time ago Hal, I had ONE that did not last THAT
long.  But the PIECES of it did make it to the garbage
can <G> !!!

Fortunately, NO cars were damaged but a steel door
WAS dented !!   BAD news !!

Moi

From frog.aye at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 16:02:29 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Wide band O2 sensor
In-Reply-To: <502C00A5F2E4482982761FC70609F8DD@blackbox2>
References: <4333f8140910101400w6d7dda38ifc11bc1380d6bea5@mail.gmail.com>
	<502C00A5F2E4482982761FC70609F8DD@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <4333f8140910101502t49bf792bhf69f43ba4c5d187d@mail.gmail.com>

Dean,
My old header was a 3-1 style that had a separate 90 elbow to make the turn
under the car and that kept things pretty close.  The Maniflow LCB actually
makes the turn just before the LCB and combined end branches join together.
This pretty well makes it difficult, if not impossible to reweld the elbow.
Hal

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Dean Hedin <dlh2001 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't have an LCB header. Instead, I have an old equal length 3 into 1
> that an H-production friend gave me a while back.
>
> I ended up obtaining a tight turn exhaust elbow and rewelding it to get
> good ground clearance.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Faulkner" <frog.aye at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Spridgets] Wide band O2 sensor
>
>
>
>  Hey, any Spridigeteers out there ever use a wide band O2 sensor with a
>> Maniflow mid bore LCB header?  Where would one put the thing?  The logical
>> place (it seems to me) is after the three pipes join; however, this is
>> pretty far down and it will be difficult to get the sensor in the
>> reccommended "10--2" position.  The other thing I am concerned about is
>> that
>> the sensor would be rather exposed down under the floorboards and would
>> need
>> some form of physical protection.
>> Also the header seems to hang well below the bottom of the car, thus
>> reducing ground clearance but leaving more room between the exhaust pipe
>> and
>> the floor pan.  I guess my feet won't be so hot.  Anybody experienced that
>> with LCB headers in a bugeye? The space, not the hot feet!

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 16:25:34 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:25:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiac 327 Le Mans Tempest
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40910101226h1595cc6bo4393c68396d3da78@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm with you guys on this Pontiac thread!  My first car was my dad's '68 Tempest with a 350.  Loved that car.  I earned it by putting a roof on the house.  Put all my spare time into it in high school.  Quite the chick magnet!  I loved doing donuts in the parking lot in the rain.  Never forget that car.  Still remember the plate on it....038XBP.




________________________________
From: Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2 at gmail.com>
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 12:26:41 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiac 327 Le Mans Tempest

This was the car we owned when we first got married - but with a 327.

Same body as the GOAT. .  heavy body.  . but too bad it was not the GTO.

My father in law bought it for my wife.  Sold my Datsun pickup truck for
college funds . .

The car was simply unbreakable. .  nothing ever went wrong with it. .  even
with well over 100k on the odometer.  It later went to my mother who put on
another 50k miles on the thing.

I bought a V6 Capri with a 5 speed stick (or 4 speed, I don't recall).  We
spent the majority of our time in our 1960 Old English White MGA.

But the Pontiac will always hold a place in my heart.  Wish we had never
gotten rid of it.

Of course, had it been the GTO.  . I hope that I would have had the smarts
to have held on to it.


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From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 16:26:47 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:26:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] really nice 66 Sprite with Libres on craigslist
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One of the sweetest looking ones I've seen....




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From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
To: Spridget list <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 12:10:42 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] really nice 66 Sprite with Libres on craigslist

Anyone know who this guy is? This is the same car I modeled my car with
libre's on it.
This is stunning.
I emailed if he would sell me his Libre's but now I want his Sprite  : ) I
asked for copies of his photos I really like the shots.
Lin

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From spritenut at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 17:04:46 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:04:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD1130E.7020401@comcast.net>

Jim
Watch out for the hoses that are made by people who can't make a damn thing.
Even BRAND names like Goodyear made in china last about 90 days IF it 
never sees the sun.
I have 50 feet of that hose that needs to go up some Chinamans ass and 
out his mouth.
It will pop in no time.
But yes, 3/8 hose is the way to go.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 17:09:46 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:09:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] New Hope Lahaska car show
Message-ID: <4AD1143A.9070107@comcast.net>

With 4 Sprites and a Mini we made it to the show with nothing but some 
rain, hey the show was in PennsylRAINia
so it was only fitting that it rained on our just polished cars.
Ryan took an award in the Midgets, Tiffany and Phil (red Bugeyes) each 
took awards in the Austin Healeys and yes, Phil beat out a big Healey 
with his Bugeye.
Way to go Phil!
A great lunch and some cool pictures I'm sure Larry will post later this 
evening.

And 4 Sprites and a Mini made it home with no problems. (for a change)

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sat Oct 10 17:33:39 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:33:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Frank, SAY IT ISN'T SO
Message-ID: <18DFB899-CC47-4B25-8450-B074B83930C0@phillymgclub.com>

http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223/IMG_7798&bgcolor=black

--  

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a  
parked car.

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sat Oct 10 17:59:54 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:59:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO
Message-ID: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>

FWIW,
Frankie made this as Frank was chilled in this AM's rain at our Brits  
at the Village show. If you go to http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223  
you will get the rest of the unedited or captioned pics I took today.  
There is a lot of my O'Daughter so just keep smiling through them,  
like I do.

Opa Larry

-- 

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

Ask a question and you're a fool for three minutes; do not ask a  
question and you're a fool for the rest of your life.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sat Oct 10 18:23:19 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:23:19 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <4333f8140910101404m2b44a179pa7291ac622a6d829@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6F67387.1859E%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

3/8" hose with 1/4" fittings is common. You can also get high flow Amflo
connectors that have a larger hole. I don't remember the part numbers.
AFAIK, Sears is the only place that sells air hoses with a female connector
on one end. I don't know why that is. I don't know where to find non-Chinese
hose, so I'm being careful with what I have.
BZ

From george.brokaw at cox.net  Sat Oct 10 18:39:28 2009
From: george.brokaw at cox.net (Paul Herder)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO
In-Reply-To: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
References: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <08d001ca4a0b$4acf3670$e06da350$@brokaw@cox.net>

Larry,

Your link is to the album (again).  Don't you mean this?

http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223/IMG_7798&bgcolor=black

;^)

Paul

-----Original Message-----

FWIW,
Frankie made this as Frank was chilled in this AM's rain at our Brits  
at the Village show. If you go to http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223  
you will get the rest of the unedited or captioned pics I took today.  
There is a lot of my O'Daughter so just keep smiling through them,  
like I do.

Opa Larry

-- 

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

Ask a question and you're a fool for three minutes; do not ask a  
question and you're a fool for the rest of your life.

From george.brokaw at cox.net  Sat Oct 10 19:07:09 2009
From: george.brokaw at cox.net (Paul Herder)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO
In-Reply-To: <08d001ca4a0b$4acf3670$e06da350$@brokaw@cox.net>
References: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
	<08d001ca4a0b$4acf3670$e06da350$@brokaw@cox.net>
Message-ID: <08d101ca4a0f$28c08170$7a418450$@brokaw@cox.net>

Well that didn't work either... [rolleyes]  My link is redirected by the
site to the top level of Larry's albums instead of the picture (img_7798).

When you select the correct (first) album and then scroll down to the 10th
row, you will find Frank's latest love...

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Herder
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:39 PM
To: 'Larry Macy'; 'Spridgets net'
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO

Larry,

Your link is to the album (again).  Don't you mean this?

http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223/IMG_7798&bgcolor=black

;^)

Paul

-----Original Message-----

FWIW,
Frankie made this as Frank was chilled in this AM's rain at our Brits  
at the Village show. If you go to http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223  
you will get the rest of the unedited or captioned pics I took today.  
There is a lot of my O'Daughter so just keep smiling through them,  
like I do.

Opa Larry

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78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:42:16 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:42:16 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO
In-Reply-To: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
References: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910101842w94b674byaae70f120f4f62ca@mail.gmail.com>

Great pics, Larry!  The one of the smoke alarm is an especially nice
touch....    ;-)

Cheers!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> FWIW,
> Frankie made this as Frank was chilled in this AM's rain at our Brits
> at the Village show. If you go to http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223
> you will get the rest of the unedited or captioned pics I took today.
> There is a lot of my O'Daughter so just keep smiling through them,
> like I do.
>
> Opa Larry
>
> --
>
> Larry Macy
> 78 Midget
>
> Keep your top down and your chin up.
>
> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
> lmacy at phillymgclub.com
> Board Member at Large
> Philadelphia MG Club
>
> Ask a question and you're a fool for three minutes; do not ask a
> question and you're a fool for the rest of your life.
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 20:12:59 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:12:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO
In-Reply-To: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
References: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
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She's a cutie.
Love Franks' shirt.

From pchast at francomm.com  Sat Oct 10 21:17:19 2009
From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:17:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] was Not LBC...Both the Pontiac and Saturn....now GM
 engine families
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References: <20091010.142646.1223.10517@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <op.u1l8q5m0sjevdj@pete200>

My 1963 Tempest convertible was a 326 It had an enclosed solid drive shaft  
to
the transmission that was bolted directly to the rear end. I snapped 4  
different
drive shafts, before I scrapped it, over the course of 2 years. The junk  
yard was
the only place I could find one. I was told the dealer in Catskill could  
not order
one. It was 1969 and I was a hot foot at 19 yrs old......... loved that  
car.

Pete
Athens, NY


On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:25:35 -0400, chris_west <chris_west at juno.com> wrote:

>
> For the record AFAIK:        Pontiac "Big Block" displacements (CI), year
> introduced               Pontiac "Small Block" displacements (CI), year
> introduced
>                                                          287 ,    1955
>  265 ,     1980
>                                                          316 ,    1956
>  301 ,     1977
>                                                          347 ,    1957
>  303 ,     1969
>                                                          370 ,    1958
>  326 ,     1964
>                                                          389 ,    1959
>  336 ,     1963
>                                                          400 ,    1967
>  350 ,     1968
>                                                          421 ,    1961
>                                                          428 ,    1967
>                                                          455 ,    1970
>
>                                              Chevrolet "Big Block"
> displacements (CI), year introduced         Chevrolet "Small Block"
> displacements, year introduced
>                                                          348,     1958
>  262,     1975
>                                                          366,     1965
>  265,     1955
>                                                          396,     1965
>  267,     1979
>                                                          402,     1970
>  283,     1957
>                                                          409,     1961
>  302,     1967
>                                                          427,     1966
>  305,     1975
>                                                          454,     1970
>  307,     1968
>         327,     1962
>         350,     1967
>         400,     1970
>
>
> Buick, Oldsmobile and Cadillac engines were also grouped into "Big
> Blocks" and "Small Blocks" but there were actually more variations among
> them and therefore defy any sort of straightforward classification.
> Chris - AN5L35xxx

snip
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 10 22:02:19 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:02:19 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
Message-ID: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>

Today, October 10th, on the way to Princeton, WI for the SOS to set up a few
things at Flounder's new shop, it snowed.  October 10th.  This just sucks.

We spent today putting stuff in order -- in other words in places where
Flounder will never find them.

The big projects included installing the lift that Midgets can be raised with
so that midgets can walk under them.  David Lieb, Dave Woerpel and Neil
Anderson were on that one.

Peter C and I were ripping out the toilet and sink from one of the bathrooms
and replacing them with a shower stall.  We had to fit a 39 inch shower stall
through a 36 inch doorway, so a little surgery was necessary.  The bad part
was that most of the plumbing tools and parts that were needed were readily
available at either Peter's or my place, but not at Flounder's.  Ain't that
the way it always goes.

Unfortunately, I had to leave a little early to do a little family legal work
and left Peter to sweat the remainder of that project out by himself.  Peter's
lovely wife, Jane, was there to offer support.  IOW, she didn't hardly heckle
us at all.  We will see in the morning what needs to be finished.  As we all
know, nothing ever gets completed in the time allotted.  That's just the way
it goes.

LAD

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct 10 22:36:02 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:36:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
In-Reply-To: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
References: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
Message-ID: <4AD160B2.5408.30C7FE8@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Sod's Law:  The job will expand to fill the time available ....

On 10 Oct 2009 at 23:02, Larry Daniels wrote:

>>  As we all know, nothing ever gets completed in the time allotted.
>>  That's just the way it goes.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 10 23:04:14 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:04:14 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
In-Reply-To: <4AD160B2.5408.30C7FE8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
	<4AD160B2.5408.30C7FE8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48D0D23047B941229B336C6161F293A4@HomePC>

Yep.  Ain't that the truth.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave G." <kk7ss at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:36 PM
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....

Sod's Law:  The job will expand to fill the time available ....

On 10 Oct 2009 at 23:02, Larry Daniels wrote:

>>  As we all know, nothing ever gets completed in the time allotted.
>>  That's just the way it goes.


--
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'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

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From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 06:03:16 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:03:16 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs
Message-ID: <c53.58def9bb.38032384@aol.com>

No.  I had a Mini followed by a Mk3 Ford Cortina 200GT.
 
In a message dated 08/10/2009 21:33:46 GMT Daylight Time, thcollin at mtu.edu  
writes:

Did we  all own Pontiacs?

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Sun Oct 11 06:33:24 2009
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:33:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
In-Reply-To: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
References: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
Message-ID: <87d2rg$789cts@email.mtu.edu>

>Peter's
>lovely wife, Jane, was there to offer support.

I saw a few women walk through the camera's view. I also noticed that 
the guys stopped working to talk to the women. Lost time, low 
productivity, - Hey guys, Donald Trump would say; "You're fired!" LOL

The camera resolution wasn't super, but it looked like the garage 
floor has been painted or treated with epoxy - didn't see big old 
spots. What's the story on the floor?


Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct 11 06:52:43 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:52:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910101842w94b674byaae70f120f4f62ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD6060E2-8580-40BC-B32E-017201B57BFD@phillymgclub.com>
	<43840a7e0910101842w94b674byaae70f120f4f62ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED6F3824-35E8-4BA1-AC28-C708432C9FE0@phillymgclub.com>

No idea how that got intermingled in the library, but it adds a touch of
reality ;-)

Larry

On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Jim Johnson wrote:

> Great pics, Larry!  The one of the smoke alarm is an especially nice
touch....    ;-)
>
> Cheers!
> Jim
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
> FWIW,
> Frankie made this as Frank was chilled in this AM's rain at our Brits
> at the Village show. If you go to http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100223
> you will get the rest of the unedited or captioned pics I took today.
> There is a lot of my O'Daughter so just keep smiling through them,
> like I do.
>
> Opa Larry
>
> --
>
> Larry Macy
> 78 Midget
>
> Keep your top down and your chin up.
>
> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
> lmacy at phillymgclub.com
> Board Member at Large
> Philadelphia MG Club
>
> Ask a question and you're a fool for three minutes; do not ask a
> question and you're a fool for the rest of your life.
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> Jim
> Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
> sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

--

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club



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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 07:07:56 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] FRANK, SAY IT ISN'T SO
In-Reply-To: <ED6F3824-35E8-4BA1-AC28-C708432C9FE0@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <86761.82793.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:
> No idea how
that got intermingled in
> the library, but it adds a touch of
> reality ;-)
>
> Great pics, Larry!  The one of the smoke alarm is
> an especially nice
>
touch....    ;-)

I thought that plus the picture of the light gave it a very
Erich von Stroheim feel. Nice job

Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 07:18:28 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:18:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
In-Reply-To: <87d2rg$789cts@email.mtu.edu>
References: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
	<87d2rg$789cts@email.mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910110618p1062db21k53969f8f101bc91b@mail.gmail.com>

The floor was just as it should be.  On the bottom.

;-)

Ed

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Tim Collins <thcollin at mtu.edu> wrote:

> Peter's
>> lovely wife, Jane, was there to offer support.
>>
>
> I saw a few women walk through the camera's view. I also noticed that the
> guys stopped working to talk to the women. Lost time, low productivity, -
> Hey guys, Donald Trump would say; "You're fired!" LOL
>
> The camera resolution wasn't super, but it looked like the garage floor has
> been painted or treated with epoxy - didn't see big old spots. What's the
> story on the floor?
>
>
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From nases at verizon.net  Sun Oct 11 07:34:01 2009
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:34:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
Message-ID: <3E31E197-C7D0-4E6E-9A08-BBF8767865F8@verizon.net>

Is there any real difference in anti-freeze from one to the next.  I  
have always used Prestone because its always available.  I do have  
some old containers of a BMW coolant I can use.  Is there any reason  
not to use the stuff on my shelf?

I've been running water this summer after a few engine pulls.  Now I'm  
happy with the running cars and need to prep for the cool temps.



Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 11 07:46:26 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:46:26 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <3E31E197-C7D0-4E6E-9A08-BBF8767865F8@verizon.net>
References: <3E31E197-C7D0-4E6E-9A08-BBF8767865F8@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <02A38D062EBE436982022F3AFFA24491@HomePC>

Phil, there is a different coolant to use if you have an aluminum head that 
isn't as corrosive to AL.  There is also a type to use that won't kill your 
pets if they get into it, if that's a concern.

Larry

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Phil Nase" <nases at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:34 AM
To: "spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Cc: <bugeysprites at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant

Is there any real difference in anti-freeze from one to the next.  I
have always used Prestone because its always available.  I do have
some old containers of a BMW coolant I can use.  Is there any reason
not to use the stuff on my shelf?

I've been running water this summer after a few engine pulls.  Now I'm
happy with the running cars and need to prep for the cool temps.



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Quakertown, PA
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From breton48 at live.com  Sun Oct 11 08:14:12 2009
From: breton48 at live.com (JLC)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:14:12 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <3E31E197-C7D0-4E6E-9A08-BBF8767865F8@verizon.net>
References: <3E31E197-C7D0-4E6E-9A08-BBF8767865F8@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BLU134-DS7E76F4373AF1347970FE6AFC90@phx.gbl>

Phil,

I never had a problem mixing antifreeze, provided it is the same type,
meaning either "green stuff" (Ethylene glycol) or "orange stuff" (Dex-Cool
type). If you mix the two, bad things happen.

I have five vehicles, and the only one using the "orange stuff" is my wife's
2000 Astro van. I think all GM vehicles have been using Dex-Cool since 1994
or so.

By the way, antifreeze never wears out, so using an old can should be fine.
I do change the antifreeze (green stuff) every year, but that's because I am
cautious, and the corrosion inhibitors in the antifreeze do disappear with
use. Dex-Cool is supposed to have a lifespan of 150,000 miles, but I still
change it every two years or so - If you don't, you can have problems with
corrosion and leaks.

JLC

Phil Nase wrote:
Is there any real difference in anti-freeze from one to the next.  I  
have always used Prestone because its always available.  I do have  
some old containers of a BMW coolant I can use.  Is there any reason  
not to use the stuff on my shelf?

I've been running water this summer after a few engine pulls.  Now I'm  
happy with the running cars and need to prep for the cool temps.

From conen at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 11 08:35:56 2009
From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:35:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
Message-ID: <198921.29037.qm@web180212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>>Did we  all own Pontiacs?

  Nope.  Had a bunch o' stuff, but never no Pointiac (or other GM) or Chrysler products.
 Ed in NC

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 11 11:25:58 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <198921.29037.qm@web180212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6F76336.214E8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>>> Did we  all own Pontiacs?
When I was 15, my Dad told me he would disown me if I ever bought a Pontiac.
I never did, but I was given a '71 Ventura ll in the late seventies. It was
a low mileage CA car with a perfect body, no rust, and a like-new interior.
It was a typical GM pile, which is why it was free. It was a NOVA with a
Pontiac 350 big block and an automatic that slipped badly. It had (broken)
air conditioning, so I cut an access hole in the fender well to give it it's
very first set of new plugs. I guess nobody had ever wanted to spend a day
removing and replacing the AC to get to them. I adjusted the bands and
cleaned the filter, and the tranny quit slipping. Removing the '71 CA smog
bits and hooking the vacuum advance up as an advance perked up the
performance and almost doubled the mileage, but the power brakes kept
locking up and refusing to release, so I removed the power booster. Then the
heater started putting water on my girlfriend's leg, so I threw away the
broken AC to get to the heater core, which I had repaired. I had to
fabricate the rubber bushing that held the PCV valve in the valley-cover.
Parts guys all tried to give me a part for a SB Chevy, and the part for
Pontiac big blocks didn't fit either. At this point, the car ran and looked
pretty good, so I quickly sold it.  It had manual brakes, no AC, and just
over 44,000 original miles on it.
BZ

From chris_west at juno.com  Sun Oct 11 11:24:46 2009
From: chris_west at juno.com (chris_west)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:24:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze / Coolant
Message-ID: <20091011.102627.1221.9159@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com>

Follow this link to learn all you need to know (and more) about
automotive coolant antifreeze.        
                           
http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2006/12/01/hmn_feature20.html

Being in the auto parts business, I get asked these questions frequently:

Can I mix green (ethelyne glycol) and  red / pink / yellow etc.
antifreeze?

ans: The literature says yes, but you will negate the "extended life"
features of the "non green" stuff.
       Anecdotal evidence I have heard but not seen demonstrated says no,
it will turn into a jello-like sustance
       if mixed.  I have been meaning to mix some under controlled
condtions of heat and pressure to test
       this theory, but have not as of this time.

Can I replace red etc. with green after a flush of the system?

ans:  Definitely yes, but you will need to follow the proper replacement 
schedule for the green, rather than that
        published in the owner's or repair manual.

Can I replace green with red etc. after a flush of the system?

ans:  Yes, but why?  The non green stuff costs more and actually does not
work any better as a coolant.  Be aware that GM
had some serious gasket degradation issues in the cars that were the
first to use DexCool.  My feeling is that the gasket materials
were not really compatible with the organic acids (see article) in
DexCool.  This lead to a GM recall and/or "product improvement
program" for intake gasket leaks in the 3.1L and 3.8L V6 engines.  For
that and other reasons I would stick with the green
stuff if that was what you had before.


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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 11 11:30:39 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:30:39 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <BLU134-DS7E76F4373AF1347970FE6AFC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6F7644F.214EA%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

I've been using Penrite Classic Car Coolant. It doesn't protect from
freezing, but it does seem to keep things clean and free from corrosion.
It has to be smuggled in from Australia to a guy in New Mexico who's
difficult to get in touch with, and who doesn't take credit cards.
I guess I find that appealing because I bought a case.
In the Honda's, I use Prestone, in case I ever drive someplace cold.
BZ

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 11:42:53 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <C6F76336.214E8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C6F76336.214E8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <8733.96862.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sounds like you got some great mechanical experience on that car.  Just what you needed now that you own an LBC.




________________________________
From: Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
To: Edmund Conen <conen at bellsouth.net>; Spridgets List <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 10:25:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)

>>> Did we  all own Pontiacs?
When I was 15, my Dad told me he would disown me if I ever bought a Pontiac.
I never did, but I was given a '71 Ventura ll in the late seventies. It was
a low mileage CA car with a perfect body, no rust, and a like-new interior.
It was a typical GM pile, which is why it was free. It was a NOVA with a
Pontiac 350 big block and an automatic that slipped badly. It had (broken)
air conditioning, so I cut an access hole in the fender well to give it it's
very first set of new plugs. I guess nobody had ever wanted to spend a day
removing and replacing the AC to get to them. I adjusted the bands and
cleaned the filter, and the tranny quit slipping. Removing the '71 CA smog
bits and hooking the vacuum advance up as an advance perked up the
performance and almost doubled the mileage, but the power brakes kept
locking up and refusing to release, so I removed the power booster. Then the
heater started putting water on my girlfriend's leg, so I threw away the
broken AC to get to the heater core, which I had repaired. I had to
fabricate the rubber bushing that held the PCV valve in the valley-cover.
Parts guys all tried to give me a part for a SB Chevy, and the part for
Pontiac big blocks didn't fit either. At this point, the car ran and looked
pretty good, so I quickly sold it.  It had manual brakes, no AC, and just
over 44,000 original miles on it.
BZ
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From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct 11 11:56:18 2009
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:56:18 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <C6F7644F.214EA%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <BLU134-DS7E76F4373AF1347970FE6AFC90@phx.gbl>
	<C6F7644F.214EA%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130910111056q1826c61cl1c695bbc55e46a10@mail.gmail.com>

Billy,
     What ratio do you mix this stuff?  What does the container say is the
advantage to using this stuff in LBCs?
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
56 BN2

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>wrote:

> I've been using Penrite Classic Car Coolant. It doesn't protect from
> freezing, but it does seem to keep things clean and free from corrosion.
> It has to be smuggled in from Australia to a guy in New Mexico who's
> difficult to get in touch with, and who doesn't take credit cards.
> I guess I find that appealing because I bought a case.
> In the Honda's, I use Prestone, in case I ever drive someplace cold.
> BZ
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sun Oct 11 12:33:07 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <C6F7644F.214EA%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <BLU134-DS7E76F4373AF1347970FE6AFC90@phx.gbl>,
	<C6F7644F.214EA%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <4AD224E3.26470.E334BA@kk7ss.verizon.net>

I woke up to 25*F ( -4*C) this morning in S.E. Washington.... and 
winter isn't here yet !!

On 11 Oct 2009 at 10:30, Billy Zoom wrote:

>> In the Honda's, I use Prestone, in case I ever drive someplace cold.
>> BZ


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'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

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From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Sun Oct 11 13:19:40 2009
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:19:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
References: <3E31E197-C7D0-4E6E-9A08-BBF8767865F8@verizon.net>
	<BLU134-DS7E76F4373AF1347970FE6AFC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F0559E489854D6C99EA60D1A5C4FB08@leovs802bt6yj7>

epends on the vehicle as to IF it wears out.  If you dont add a quart of 
Ford antifreeze additive to "refresh" the additive in it I will GUARANTEE 
you will have a water jacket failure in a 1980 thru 1995 Ford diesel (IDI 
7.3 made by International).  Add the additive every year and block corrosion 
is a non issue.  Have seen many ruined over  10.00 bottle of additive.

Leo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JLC" <breton48 at live.com>
To: "'spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net'" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Cc: <bugeysprites at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant


> Phil,
>
> I never had a problem mixing antifreeze, provided it is the same type,
> meaning either "green stuff" (Ethylene glycol) or "orange stuff" (Dex-Cool
> type). If you mix the two, bad things happen.
>
> I have five vehicles, and the only one using the "orange stuff" is my 
> wife's
> 2000 Astro van. I think all GM vehicles have been using Dex-Cool since 
> 1994
> or so.
>
> By the way, antifreeze never wears out, so using an old can should be 
> fine.
> I do change the antifreeze (green stuff) every year, but that's because I 
> am
> cautious, and the corrosion inhibitors in the antifreeze do disappear with
> use. Dex-Cool is supposed to have a lifespan of 150,000 miles, but I still
> change it every two years or so - If you don't, you can have problems with
> corrosion and leaks.
>
> JLC
>
> Phil Nase wrote:
> Is there any real difference in anti-freeze from one to the next.  I
> have always used Prestone because its always available.  I do have
> some old containers of a BMW coolant I can use.  Is there any reason
> not to use the stuff on my shelf?
>
> I've been running water this summer after a few engine pulls.  Now I'm
> happy with the running cars and need to prep for the cool temps.
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 11 13:59:29 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:59:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <8733.96862.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6F78731.214FB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Sounds like you got some great mechanical experience
That was AFTER the model A, the '50 Plymouth Coupe, the F-100 panel, the
two Chryslers, the Dodge convertible, the Renault Caravelle, three VW's, the
'58 Chevy, the Hudson Hornet, the Rio Golden Comet, etc. It was also after
having worked for several years as a garage mechanic. I don't think I
learned much from that car...it just confirmed my suspicions.
BZ

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 11 14:02:41 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:02:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130910111056q1826c61cl1c695bbc55e46a10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6F787F1.214FC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> What ratio do you mix this stuff?  What does the container say
I'll have to look at a bottle when I get to the shop. I'm pretty sure the
container says it's better...just like all product containers do.

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct 11 14:14:45 2009
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <C6F787F1.214FC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <d49b03130910111056q1826c61cl1c695bbc55e46a10@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6F787F1.214FC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130910111314n49fa4fd7g67145f43444204e9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using regular parts store antifreeze at 4 to 1 distilled water to
antifreeze and the correct amount of water wetter just for good measure.  My
Bugeye has stayed right in the heat range (190 - 200F) even out her in San
Bernardino.  Was up to 106F ambient this past summer.  Just curious if you
were mixing the traditional 50/50 mix.
Mike

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:

> > What ratio do you mix this stuff?  What does the container say
> I'll have to look at a bottle when I get to the shop. I'm pretty sure the
> container says it's better...just like all product containers do.

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sun Oct 11 15:03:18 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:03:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Tuning
Message-ID: <51DEEFBECD9A48B09A952E317072A151@Home>

How long should a routine tune-up last?

I have 2000 miles on my original tune-up, which had the engine running flawlessly, and have done nothing but top up the engine oil and dashpot oil, both of which disappear faster than I think they should.  The car has become much harder to start and misses a bit until it is warmed up, which it only did before when the dashpot oil was low.  

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 15:03:34 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <C6F78731.214FB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <236720.60607.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

     Can't let this one go without a post.   First car I remember was my
parents' 1950 Pontiac Chieftan.  Mom, world's worst driver, regularly tried to
kill us in that one.  Tried to do a U-turn on a divided highway and
high-centered it on the median.  First time I ever met a state trooper!  Then
she went into the local "Dead Man''s Curve" a little too hot.  Don't know if
she got it up on two wheels, but it sure seemed like it to this six year-old! 
Don't even ask how she managed to slam that car door on her fingers  Man,
black fingernails sure are ugly! 
     In the mid-60s wanted a GTO in the worst way, but Dad was an "economy"
guy. (prolly becuse hi-test was $,29 a gallon.)  We ended up with a 1967
Pontiac LeMans Sprint  OHC 230 ci with a 4 bbl and 215 hp  10.5:1 CR and would
just detonate on anything less than Sunoco 260. Oh yeah, and with a 'glide. 
Shifted at about 60 mph.  Eventually I ended up with a '67 Firebird 'vert with
a 4 spd Hurst.  Nice ride, but only a 2 bbl and 326  (BTW, who said they had a
327 Poncho, unless you're Canadian it's a 326!)  Stay tuned for Part II.

From breton48 at live.com  Sun Oct 11 15:23:43 2009
From: breton48 at live.com (JLC)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:23:43 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
In-Reply-To: <C6F787F1.214FC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <d49b03130910111056q1826c61cl1c695bbc55e46a10@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6F787F1.214FC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <BLU134-DS7235B1F63F6808E4EF4F1AFC90@phx.gbl>

I always used to mix antifreeze and water 50/50, now I get lazy and I buy
the premixed stuff.

JLC

Billy Zoom wrote:
> What ratio do you mix this stuff?  What does the container say
I'll have to look at a bottle when I get to the shop. I'm pretty sure the
container says it's better...just like all product containers do.

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 15:30:37 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
Message-ID: <146457.21845.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

So being a sporty-car/ hot rodder/ muscle car guy, I was a total
TransAm-freak.You can't imagine how stoked I was to watch Bob Tullus watch the
Herb Adam's "Grey Ghost" in the Rain at Lime Rock.  That car rocked!

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, HealeyRick <healeyrick at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: HealeyRick <healeyrick at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:03 PM

     Can't let this one go without a post.   First car I remember was my
parents' 1950 Pontiac Chieftan.  Mom, world's worst driver, regularly tried to
kill us in that one.  Tried to do a U-turn on a divided highway and
high-centered it on the median.  First time I ever met a state trooper!  Then
she went into the local "Dead Man''s Curve" a little too hot.  Don't know if
she got it up on two wheels, but it sure seemed like it to this six year-old! 
Don't even ask how she managed to slam that car door on her fingers  Man,
black fingernails sure are ugly! 
     In the mid-60s wanted a GTO in the worst way, but Dad was an "economy"
guy. (prolly becuse hi-test was $,29 a gallon.)  We ended up with a 1967
Pontiac LeMans Sprint  OHC 230 ci with a 4 bbl and 215
 hp  10.5:1 CR and
would just detonate on anything less than Sunoco 260. Oh yeah, and with a
'glide.  Shifted at about 60 mph.  Eventually I ended up with a '67 Firebird
'vert with a 4 spd Hurst.  Nice ride, but only a 2 bbl and 326  (BTW, who said
they had a 327 Poncho, unless you're Canadian it's a 326!)  Stay tuned for
Part II.

From sales at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 11 15:51:37 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:51:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <146457.21845.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <146457.21845.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD25369.9050608@justbrits.com>

<< You can't imagine how stoked I was to watch Bob Tullus watch
the Herb Adam's "Grey Ghost" in the Rain at Lime Rock.
That car rocked! >>

Rick, ANYTHING that Bob drove 'rocked' !!!!
Da*n, that gent could DRIVE !!!!  <VBG> !!

My 'pony' story coming soon <G> !!

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 16:31:31 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <4AD25369.9050608@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <200632.40730.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Watching that car race against the front runners had to be the best race I
ever witnessed. Tullius was driving a Herb Adams prepared -64
Tempest in 1971 and was barking at the heels of the 1971 big dogs.If you loved
sports cars and muscle in the late '60s and early 70s, Trans Am was the place
to be.

Rick. 
--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com> ]

From: Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
To: "HealeyRick" <healeyrick at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:51 PM

<< You can't imagine how stoked I was to watch Bob Tullus watch
the Herb Adam's "Grey Ghost" in the Rain at Lime Rock.
That car rocked! >>

Rick, ANYTHING that Bob drove 'rocked' !!!!
Da*n, that gent could DRIVE !!!!  <VBG> !!

My 'pony' story coming soon <G> !!

From sales at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 11 16:51:30 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:51:30 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <200632.40730.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <200632.40730.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD26172.4080307@justbrits.com>

<< If you loved sports cars and muscle in the late '60s and early 70s,
Trans Am was the place to be. >>

No argument there, Rick !!  And they were REALLY
something to watch at Laguna Seca, right Larry <G> ?!?

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 17:08:02 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <4AD26172.4080307@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <75337.94764.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Funny, at a vintage T/A race a few years ago, I saw a buddy of mine walking by
a Dodge Challenger as it prepared to light off.  Yanked him away from the
side-exits just in time.   He had no clue,  Only thing better than watching
those thunder cars race was the Can Ams.  Then again, nothing can ever touch
the F1s!

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com> wrote:

From: Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
To: "HealeyRick" <healeyrick at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 6:51 PM

<< If you loved sports cars and muscle in the late '60s and early 70s,
Trans Am was the place to be. >>

No argument there, Rick !!  And they were REALLY
something to watch at Laguna Seca, right Larry <G> ?!?

From sales at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 11 17:25:29 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <75337.94764.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <75337.94764.qm@web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD26969.9080800@justbrits.com>

<< Then again, nothing can ever touch the F1s! >>

Back THEN,true.  Today,I'd rather watch [the likes
Ron Grasshopper Soave in HP, Rick !!

I LOT more FUN and he has to actually DRIVE ole
"White Trash" vs 'piloting' what purports to be a car.
Or W.S. Flounder Thompson is his car(s ?)!!
Thats DRIVING <VBG> !!

Love to see some of those 'pilots' "try" to DRIVE a
Frogeye against Ron.  Ron WINS <VBG> !!!!  They
wouldn't even know what to think of Blackhawk Farms !!!

LOL

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 17:38:26 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:38:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Pontiacs, now TransAm - still no LBC
In-Reply-To: <200632.40730.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <200632.40730.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <24403.34095.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

HealeyRick: "If you loved sports cars and muscle in the late '60s and early
70s, Trans Am was the place
to be."

I never saw any TransAm racing in person
when it was current, but have been to many vintage race weekends to see them
battle it out.  It is definitely great racing.  I particularly remember a
Mid-Ohio vintage weekend maybe 18 years ago or so when a light blue Lotus (I
think it was an Elan Coupe?) was giving the Mustangs and Camaros fits.  Not
sure if it was supposed to be there or just ended up with the TransAm cars
because of a lack of anybody in its normal class.  But talk about an exercise
in contrasts!  The thundering v8's and the one screaming twin cam 4.  The
front runners would pass him either on or just  before the back straight, but
he'd kick their butts and be back in front by the time they got to the
pedestrian bridge at the bottom of the esses.  They'd pretty much stay there
till at least the carousel or the driving bridge, if not the big turn at the
start of the back stretch again.  Don't remember who won, but it was great
 racing.

BTW - I think that was also the first weekend I ever heard a CanAm
car driven in anger... Holy crap. Four or five were there.  When they went by
under acceleration, the ground would literally shake under you from a hundred
feet away. It was not nearly as much fun to watch as the TransAm guys, but
what an impression those no-holds-barred cars made.

 - David Booker
Long
Island

From millerls at ado13.com  Sun Oct 11 19:16:18 2009
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:16:18 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pontiacs  (no lbc)
In-Reply-To: <4AD26172.4080307@justbrits.com>
References: <200632.40730.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4AD26172.4080307@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <68302734-6F06-499F-803E-A54F3425F3FE@ado13.com>

They still are, at the historic weekend in August.

On Oct 11, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Sales at Just Brits wrote:

> << If you loved sports cars and muscle in the late '60s and early 70s,
> Trans Am was the place to be. >>
>
> No argument there, Rick !!  And they were REALLY
> something to watch at Laguna Seca, right Larry <G> ?!?

From sales at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 11 21:22:41 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:22:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
In-Reply-To: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
References: <910EA38B1C934D0BBEAF23D2F6746B84@HomePC>
Message-ID: <4AD2A101.4000905@justbrits.com>

<< ...it snowed. October 10th. This just sucks. >>

You just live TOO far North, Larry !!
BEAUTIFUL day down here <VBG> !!!!

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 11 22:10:28 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:10:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
Message-ID: <011301ca4af1$ef6e7dd0$ce4b7970$@net>

Larry Daniels wrote:  "...it snowed. October 10th. This just sucks."

 

Please explain or describe the term "snow".

 

Here in California, people are up in arms that the new administration in
Washington is ignoring the battle against invasions of State and National
borders from the outside.  LARGE demonstrations and near riots in the
streets as people demand that Gov. Exterminator call out the National Guard
AAA Batteries to shoot down the rain clouds threatening to invade California
on Monday night!  All automobile insurers have been put on high alert so
they can respond quickly to the Golden State Goons who drive in the rain
with their head up and locked in.  Auto body shops, however, gratefully look
forward to the stimulus of the cumulus on Tuesday.

From pboser at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 22:30:54 2009
From: pboser at yahoo.com (Peter Boser)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting Spridget racing-related article
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1255284002.17710.spridgets@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1255284002.17710.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <79541.16993.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

________________________________

From theshoe5 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 12 08:02:16 2009
From: theshoe5 at comcast.net (Alan)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae Mims dies
Message-ID: <73C5B57AB2DD46419556056100C4B6FC@home>

Just read this on Auto Week.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091011/MOTORSPORTS/910119996
Alan
59 Sprite

From abcoz at hky.com  Mon Oct 12 09:10:27 2009
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:10:27 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae Mims dies
In-Reply-To: <73C5B57AB2DD46419556056100C4B6FC@home>
References: <73C5B57AB2DD46419556056100C4B6FC@home>
Message-ID: <F97FE92209CE4F349E699649974923B2@OwnerPC>

Yeah, our local newspaper had mentioned the part about her being seated in a 
pink '79 Corvette during the funeral home viewing (they also got her name 
wrong in the headline for the story: Donna Mae Mills....but had it right in 
the text of the article).   None of the articles, nor the obituary in the 
Pittsburgh paper, mention any surviving family members.  I know she divorced 
her husband back in the 50s.....a pretty daring move in such a socially 
conservative city as Pittsburgh (was back then and still is now, relatively 
speaking).  She and her husband got into Corvettes at a very early stage, 
buying one of the first ones in the Pittsburgh area, and becoming very 
active in the Pittsburgh area Corvette club and the SCCA Steel Cities 
Region.
My active time in the Steel Cities Region started after she had moved to 
Maui and ended before her return to the Pittsburgh area.  But, I never heard 
anyone speak of her in negative terms.  Everyone (at least everyone in Steel 
Cities Region) seemed to like her and have good memories of her.  I'm sorry 
I never got to actually meet her.  She sounded like a really neat lady, for 
sure.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <theshoe5 at comcast.net>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:02 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae Mims dies


> Just read this on Auto Week.
> http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091011/MOTORSPORTS/910119996
> Alan
> 59 Sprite

From neilandcustom at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 10:58:10 2009
From: neilandcustom at gmail.com (Neil Anderson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:58:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets]  Update on '65 Sebring Sprite on eBay
In-Reply-To: <200909241057143.SM01496@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <c96.49aaca71.37ecfb72@aol.com>
	<000a01ca3d3f$4e073690$ea15a3b0$@com>
	<200909241057143.SM01496@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca4b5d$30e6bc30$92b43490$@com>

Just reported on sebringsprite.com that the race car was purchased back by
the ebay seller/owner.  Said he "couldn't bear to part with it"

No further details at this time.  His name is mentioned in the notice.

Neil Anderson

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 12 11:10:37 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:10:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae Mims dies
Message-ID: <018701ca4b5e$eb374f40$c1a5edc0$@net>

Those of you who were at the BusterCluster will remember Al Clemens, the
professional photographer who with his wife Carol bought their Sprite in
Memphis at the same time I did.  Since Al, Carol and Donna Mae were racing
friends in the 1960s, I sent him the news of her passing.  You might be
interested in one of his reminiscences 

 

"I hate that.  I thought the world of Donna Mae, although after she
"graduated" from H Production, she never did too well.  One of the last
races Carol ran while we lived in Memphis was a national race in St. Louis.
I couldn't go, so Phillip (Herold at Small Car Motors) showed Carol how to
install the roll bar.  He de-tuned the Sprite and gave her specific
instructions on re-tuning it and de-tuning it again.  She drove to St. Louis
alone, set the Sprite up and raced.  She and Donna Mae (in her pink Sprite)
were the only women there.  Donna Mae was intrigued by the little girl who
came alone and they became friends, even though Carol came in dead last (but
second in womens' class).  Carol, with help from Donna Mae's pit crew,
de-tuned the Sprite and drove it home, tired and sleepy, but very happy."

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 11:23:50 2009
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:23:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>

Go to a place that makes hydraulic hoses and tell them what you want.  They
will make a hose with any connectors.  Tell them you want an air hose that
is not made in China; you want one that will last.  I had my hose made about
5 years ago (Goodyear hoses) and they are still holding up fine.

-g

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, I'm getting going on the Midget.  Never having done some of this
> stuff
> before, I have a few questions which may be pretty elementary for a lot of
> you but they are things I've simply never been involved with before.
>
> I have a small compressor - a Clarke AC2000A - 2HP, 6 Gal tank which does
> 5.0 CFM at 90 PSI.  Too small to drive high volume tools, but OK for
> smaller
> stuff and for painting.  It came with some really flimsy 1/4 inch yellow
> air
> hose that is all coiled up. When you pull the coil out, it pinches off the
> flow. I want to replace the hose with some better stuff. I'm wondering how
> hard it would be to go up to 3/8 ID air hose. Any thoughts welcome one that
> this....
>
> --
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
> not
> sure about the former.  - Albert Einstein
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From abcoz at hky.com  Mon Oct 12 11:48:43 2009
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:48:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae Mims dies
In-Reply-To: <018701ca4b5e$eb374f40$c1a5edc0$@net>
References: <018701ca4b5e$eb374f40$c1a5edc0$@net>
Message-ID: <D88BDBCD2B1643BBAFEEF786473E81FC@OwnerPC>

Buster,
I suspect that Steel Cities Region will run some sort of biography of Donna 
Mae in an upcoming issue of The Drift.  Would your friend mind if I passed 
Mr. Clemens' note along to the club's editor?  They may want to print it.
I will, of course, get a copy of The Drift, if such an article is printed, 
and pass it along to Spridget Talk.
Thanks.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Evans" <b-evans at earthlink.net>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Donna Mae Mims dies


> Those of you who were at the BusterCluster will remember Al Clemens, the
> professional photographer who with his wife Carol bought their Sprite in
> Memphis at the same time I did.  Since Al, Carol and Donna Mae were racing
> friends in the 1960s, I sent him the news of her passing.  You might be
> interested in one of his reminiscences
>
>
>
> "I hate that.  I thought the world of Donna Mae, although after she
> "graduated" from H Production, she never did too well.  One of the last
> races Carol ran while we lived in Memphis was a national race in St. 
> Louis.
> I couldn't go, so Phillip (Herold at Small Car Motors) showed Carol how to
> install the roll bar.  He de-tuned the Sprite and gave her specific
> instructions on re-tuning it and de-tuning it again.  She drove to St. 
> Louis
> alone, set the Sprite up and raced.  She and Donna Mae (in her pink 
> Sprite)
> were the only women there.  Donna Mae was intrigued by the little girl who
> came alone and they became friends, even though Carol came in dead last 
> (but
> second in womens' class).  Carol, with help from Donna Mae's pit crew,
> de-tuned the Sprite and drove it home, tired and sleepy, but very happy."

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct 12 12:04:08 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:04:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88ECBA8A0FF64A2EB95AFA7F64899CC4@spider>

I used to get hydraulic line put together at NAPA so they may still do work
like that. Ask around. ...bill in oregon
================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Gilroy
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:24 AM
To: Jim Johnson
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....

Go to a place that makes hydraulic hoses and tell them what you want.  They
will make a hose with any connectors.  Tell them you want an air hose that
is not made in China; you want one that will last.  I had my hose made about
5 years ago (Goodyear hoses) and they are still holding up fine.

-g

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct 12 12:07:54 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:07:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Update on '65 Sebring Sprite on eBay
In-Reply-To: <000001ca4b5d$30e6bc30$92b43490$@com>
References: <c96.49aaca71.37ecfb72@aol.com><000a01ca3d3f$4e073690$ea15a3b0$@com><200909241057143.SM01496@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
	<000001ca4b5d$30e6bc30$92b43490$@com>
Message-ID: <812CE80562A74CE09F0EAA6C619E5ABE@spider>

Was that Bret Favre?  ...bill in oregon
===========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Neil Anderson
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:58 AM
To: 'Spridgets'
Subject: [Spridgets] Update on '65 Sebring Sprite on eBay

Just reported on sebringsprite.com that the race car was purchased back by
the ebay seller/owner.  Said he "couldn't bear to part with it"

No further details at this time.  His name is mentioned in the notice.

Neil Anderson
_______________________________________________

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:39:00 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910121139y7d20ae92q22c6977b80cb34fc@mail.gmail.com>

Well....   In this agricultural community of 25,000 I don't think there are
any places that make hydraulic hoses but I will look. Maybe NAPA as Bill L
suggested....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Bill Gilroy <wmgilroy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Go to a place that makes hydraulic hoses and tell them what you want.  They
> will make a hose with any connectors.  Tell them you want an air hose that
> is not made in China; you want one that will last.  I had my hose made
about
> 5 years ago (Goodyear hoses) and they are still holding up fine.
>
> -g
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'm getting going on the Midget.  Never having done some of this
>> stuff
>> before, I have a few questions which may be pretty elementary for a lot of
>> you but they are things I've simply never been involved with before.
>>
>> I have a small compressor - a Clarke AC2000A - 2HP, 6 Gal tank which does
>> 5.0 CFM at 90 PSI.  Too small to drive high volume tools, but OK for
>> smaller
>> stuff and for painting.  It came with some really flimsy 1/4 inch yellow
>> air
>> hose that is all coiled up. When you pull the coil out, it pinches off the
>> flow. I want to replace the hose with some better stuff. I'm wondering how
>> hard it would be to go up to 3/8 ID air hose. Any thoughts welcome one
>> that
>> this....
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!!
>> Jim
>>  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
>> not
>> sure about the former.  - Albert Einstein
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com
>>
>> http://www.team.net/archive
>>
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Their mythology starts with the false premise that these are irreplaceable
> geniuses
>
> Andrew Cuomo speaking about AIG executives
>



--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From peter at nosimport.com  Mon Oct 12 13:10:29 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910121139y7d20ae92q22c6977b80cb34fc@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
	<43840a7e0910121139y7d20ae92q22c6977b80cb34fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910121210530.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

In our shop, we have many hoses we "made" from bulk rubber air hose. 
Ya buys it, ya cuts it the length ya want. Ya push in a nipple, ya 
tighten a hose clamp. Then ya thread on the fitting ya want to the 
nipple.   What's the big deal?
         Peter C
====
At 01:39 PM 10/12/2009, Jim Johnson wrote:
>Well....   In this agricultural community of 25,000 I don't think there are
>any places that make hydraulic hoses but I will look. Maybe NAPA as Bill L
>suggested....
>
>Cheers!!
>Jim

From sales at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 12 13:18:42 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:18:42 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910121139y7d20ae92q22c6977b80cb34fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
	<43840a7e0910121139y7d20ae92q22c6977b80cb34fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD38112.8060807@justbrits.com>

<< In this agricultural community of 25,000 I don't think there are
any places that make hydraulic hoses >>

Don't have Farm Implement Dealers around there ??

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 13:21:39 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:21:39 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <4AD38112.8060807@justbrits.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
	<43840a7e0910121139y7d20ae92q22c6977b80cb34fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD38112.8060807@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910121221i36c64049h921ad343ae14e9f9@mail.gmail.com>

Duh!  It never occurred to me to ask about air hose at hydraulic outfits!!
I found what I needed in about 10 minutes on the phone...

Thanks all for the advice!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Sales at " Just Brits " <
sales at justbrits.com> wrote:

> << In this agricultural community of 25,000 I don't think there are
> any places that make hydraulic hoses >>
>
> Don't have Farm Implement Dealers around there ??

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Mon Oct 12 13:57:23 2009
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant
Message-ID: <1b75c01ca4b76$36c78530$116a010a@mail2world.com>

Phil,
 
The BMW stuff is supposed to be better for the aluminum, if you're
running an aluminum head. I have BMW in the BMW, and green in everything
else (including the all-aluminum Cosworth Vega), and have not had any
problems so far.
 
-=hris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ 

 <-----Original Message----->

 	  	 From: Phil Nase [nases at verizon.net]
Sent: 10/11/2009 9:36:01 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Cc: bugeysprites at yahoo.com
Subject: [Spridgets] Antifreeze/coolant 

Is there any real difference in anti-freeze from one to the next. I 
have always used Prestone because its always available. I do have 
some old containers of a BMW coolant I can use. Is there any reason 
not to use the stuff on my shelf? 

I've been running water this summer after a few engine pulls. Now I'm 
happy with the running cars and need to prep for the cool temps. 



Phil Nase 
Quakertown, PA 
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 14:59:52 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:59:52 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
In-Reply-To: <441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43840a7e0910101257h4edbb6a4p5b1de06e732fc14c@mail.gmail.com>
	<441250190910121023k30a983d6jbf2f783410784743@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910121359p538d9afch7880708225d923ff@mail.gmail.com>

One word regarding (most, if not all) hydraulic hose shops....
They will make you just about any hose you want...but...NEVER ASK them to
make a 'brake' hose...never!

All hoses are simply "hydraulic" hoses.  If you get me drift.

Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon



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From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 15:24:22 2009
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:24:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Correction
Message-ID: <37dc82d40910121424l1337bf65t7230e8a4cbc5b6d5@mail.gmail.com>

 I called the Le Mans engine a 327. .  should have read 326.  What was I
thinkin?  Oh, I know, I was probably thinking about my 67 Camaro that had a
rebuilt 327 in it.

That Camaro . . what a mess.  The machinist who bored the holes screwed up.
.  the engine was an oil pump.  I changed the guides. .  still pumped oil,
especially in gear going down hill on a large grade in our area called
Kirker Pass.  One quart would last 500 miles.

Then I sold it.  I told the kid about the oil problem.  Ran into the kid a
few months later and he told me that the oil use cleared up.  The engine by
now had 20k miles on it.  I am still not sure if I believe him.

I used nothing fancy in the rebuild.  The rings were stock. .  not chrome
moly.  I later heard that the machinist used a portable boring machine which
I think caused the bore to slightly splay out toward the bottom.

Lesson learned.  I should have waited for a known machinist who had been
doing cars for the dirt track in town, and who had been at the same machine
shop for over ten years.  The guy was on vacation and I was anxious to get
the car done.  And the lousy machinist I ended up using also offered me a
correct 327 block in place of the worn 350 that had resided in the car.  So
I took the bait.

*Question. .  I am reading a few posts regarding the early mechanical fuel
injected Chevy engines and the horsepower increases that they were making
due to the fuel injection of the time.

Were these reliable fuel injection units. .  or did they have issues that
could keep their owners in crazy mode most of the time? *

Kirk

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Mon Oct 12 17:09:35 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:09:35 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
Message-ID: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>

The reason why I just gonna have-to get one of the beasts on the road 
for next year...

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/galleries/gallery/750654.html


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 17:41:47 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
In-Reply-To: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910121641y1658bd87v5cc4995d1edbb444@mail.gmail.com>

I've been doing the autocross and hill climb 'thing' since '65.  Love it.
Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Dave G. <kk7ss at verizon.net> wrote:

> The reason why I just gonna have-to get one of the beasts on the road
> for next year...
>
> http://www.tri-cityherald.com/galleries/gallery/750654.html
>
>
> --
> Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
> '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
> '65 MK III A-H Sprite
> '76 MKIV 1500 Midget
>
> Age is just another number... !


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From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 17:50:26 2009
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:50:26 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
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References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Dave G. <kk7ss at verizon.net> wrote:
The reason why I just gonna have-to get one of the beasts on the road
for next year...

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/galleries/gallery/750654.html
That sure looks like Flounder out there in one of his racing carts!!! Did he
win his class?

-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 18:23:13 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Update on '65 Sebring Sprite on eBay
In-Reply-To: <000001ca4b5d$30e6bc30$92b43490$@com>
Message-ID: <715031.97468.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Neil Anderson <neilandcustom at gmail.com> wrote:
> No
further details at this time.  His name is
> mentioned in the notice.

I
wonder if the Sprite has a bumper sticker that says "My other car is the
rarest Bugatti in the world". 

http://tinyurl.com/sprite-Bug

Google his name
- Gary Kohs - I've seen the Titanic model that's mentioned if you google the
guy - amazing. Also neat to read about his MV Agusta bikes - he brings them to
a small village in Italy to have them restored by the right guy. I now believe
that DMH and Geoff restored the Sprite! Must have been a helluva divorce
settlement.

Ron

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Mon Oct 12 19:40:02 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:40:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910121641y1658bd87v5cc4995d1edbb444@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<2ad6c6b10910121641y1658bd87v5cc4995d1edbb444@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Hi Herb,

I was autocrossing back in the late '60's and onwards in a 'slightly' 
modified '67 Sprite until the second divorce changed 'who' got 
'what'.

But, Single and ready to race again at 72...  keeps you young and 
sharp  ;-) 

Can't decide if it will be the '65 Sprite (needs a lot more work but 
is lower to the ground) or the '76 Midget (which isalmost ready to 
roll but heavier) ...

On 12 Oct 2009 at 16:41, WFO Herb wrote:

>> I've been doing the autocross and hill climb 'thing' since '65.  Love
>> it.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Mon Oct 12 20:05:20 2009
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:05:20 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Update on '65 Sebring Sprite on eBay
In-Reply-To: <715031.97468.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <000001ca4b5d$30e6bc30$92b43490$@com>
	<715031.97468.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87d24a$71ah8b@email.mtu.edu>

Well, this is a very interesting guy. After reading Ron's note I did 
a little searching and found that he owns or owned a lighthouse in 
the U.P. of Michigan near where I lived. The light house is located 
at Bete Gris and is known as the Mendota lighthouse. I found some 
archived web pages in the Internet.org site so it makes me think he 
no longer owns the place. I remember that they (his wife Connie) 
opened a nice little restaurant up there too. You really have to want 
to go there. Bete Gris is located in the Keweenaw Peninsula a few 
miles from the tip. Beyond is the vast expanse of Lake Superior. He 
dumped a bunch of money into that place too. I think everyone should 
own a lighthouse. Next, I'm going to write some of my U.P. friends 
and see if they remember anything about him. Pipl.com returns info 
about Gary too.



>Google his name
>- Gary Kohs - I've seen the Titanic model that's mentioned if you google the
>guy - amazing. Also neat to read about his MV Agusta bikes - he brings them to
>a small village in Italy to have them restored by the right guy. I now believe
>that DMH and Geoff restored the Sprite! Must have been a helluva divorce
>settlement.
>
>Ron

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 20:29:16 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:29:16 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
In-Reply-To: <4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<2ad6c6b10910121641y1658bd87v5cc4995d1edbb444@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <402188520910121929q10e67689o91a866cad810198b@mail.gmail.com>

> Can't decide if it will be the '65 Sprite (needs a lot more work but
> is lower to the ground) or the '76 Midget (which isalmost ready to
> roll but heavier) ...

Don't be too quick to dismiss the 76. The extra grunt of the 1500 is
quite helpful at an autocross. Next thing you know, you will be
slipping a Weber onto it, installing springs from a 1275,  and losing
the bumpers...
David L

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct 12 20:31:54 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:31:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
In-Reply-To: <4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<2ad6c6b10910121641y1658bd87v5cc4995d1edbb444@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <F9DE68E1629B41BE9AA53B9CD430702B@spider>

The '65. Divorce sucks; even the second time, but I had a good prenupt then.
...bill in oregon

====================================

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:40 PM
To: WFO Herb; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!

 

Hi Herb,

 

I was autocrossing back in the late '60's and onwards in a 'slightly' 

modified '67 Sprite until the second divorce changed 'who' got 

'what'.

 

But, Single and ready to race again at 72...  keeps you young and 

sharp  ;-) 

 

Can't decide if it will be the '65 Sprite (needs a lot more work but 

is lower to the ground) or the '76 Midget (which is almost ready to 

roll but heavier) ...

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Mon Oct 12 20:38:35 2009
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Update on '65 Sebring Sprite on eBay
Message-ID: <87d2rg$78k1d3@email.mtu.edu>

Well, this is a very interesting guy. After reading Ron's note I did 
a little searching and found that he owns or owned a lighthouse in 
the U.P. of Michigan near where I lived. The light house is located 
at Bete Gris and is known as the Mendota lighthouse. I found some 
archived web pages in the Internet.org site so it makes me think he 
no longer owns the place. I remember that they (his wife Connie) 
opened a nice little restaurant up there too. You really have to want 
to go there. Bete Gris is located in the Keweenaw Peninsula a few 
miles from the tip. Beyond is the vast expanse of Lake Superior. He 
dumped a bunch of money into that place too. I think everyone should 
own a lighthouse. Next, I'm going to write some of my U.P. friends 
and see if they remember anything about him. Pipl.com returns info 
about Gary too.



>Google his name
>- Gary Kohs - I've seen the Titanic model that's mentioned if you google the
>guy - amazing. Also neat to read about his MV Agusta bikes - he brings them to
>a small village in Italy to have them restored by the right guy. I now believe
>that DMH and Geoff restored the Sprite! Must have been a helluva divorce
>settlement.
>
>Ron

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/  

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Mon Oct 12 20:55:21 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:55:21 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
In-Reply-To: <402188520910121929q10e67689o91a866cad810198b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<402188520910121929q10e67689o91a866cad810198b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD3EC19.15424.19B18D5@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Re: the '76
It already has Petronix and a 32/36 DGV with a performance manifold 
that only needs the choke cable replacing - and that's quite a lot of 
work due to console and glove box., etc...
.
It also has a performance header and the four-tip exhaust. I'm not so 
sure that the four tip pipes really give me anything but extra 
weight. I was thinking somewhat along the lines of the 1275 expansion 
box or even something from a Hog...

I do have the spacer kit to lower the front by 1/2"

I think the rear is already low enough but I hadn't thought of 1275 
springs on the front... Hmmm. Would Datsun 240Z springs fit? I have a 
set of those in the garage... can't remember why I got them !!
 

On 12 Oct 2009 at 21:29, David Lieb wrote:

>> Don't be too quick to dismiss the 76. The extra grunt of the 1500 is
>> quite helpful at an autocross. Next thing you know, you will be
>> slipping a Weber onto it, installing springs from a 1275,  and losing
>> the bumpers...


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 21:23:24 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:23:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
In-Reply-To: <4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<2ad6c6b10910121641y1658bd87v5cc4995d1edbb444@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910122023u20f1097gd09d71f785df74a0@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

Ran a '58 Vette I had recently purchased while in college at my first autoX.
 Most fun I ever had behind the wheel.  Beat going like a bat out of Hades
around corners on the street. I was hooked.

Now, TR8 and Bugeye.

Herb



On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Dave G. <kk7ss at verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Herb,
>
> I was autocrossing back in the late '60's and onwards in a 'slightly'
> modified '67 Sprite until the second divorce changed 'who' got
> 'what'.
>
> But, Single and ready to race again at 72...  keeps you young and
> sharp  ;-)
>
> Can't decide if it will be the '65 Sprite (needs a lot more work but
> is lower to the ground) or the '76 Midget (which isalmost ready to
> roll but heavier) ...
>
> On 12 Oct 2009 at 16:41, WFO Herb wrote:
>
> >> I've been doing the autocross and hill climb 'thing' since '65.  Love
> >> it.
>
>
> --
> Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
> '06 Honda Civic Hybrid
> '65 MK III A-H Sprite
> '76 MKIV 1500 Midget
>
> Age is just another number... !
>



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 21:49:07 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:49:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Pix
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910122049v7cae119cxe6f6c7955d1513f9@mail.gmail.com>

I want to post a number of auto related pictures for others to see; on line.
What do you use or recommend?

Thanks,

Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon

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From b-evans at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 12 22:37:15 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:37:15 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae spotted in Corvette at her funeral
Message-ID: <00cc01ca4bbe$d795ab20$86c10160$@net>

"Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a 1979 pink Corvette
<http://autos.aol.com/cars-Chevrolet-Corvette-2009/overview>  for visitation
hours at the funeral home in McMurray, Pa."

http://autos.aol.com/article/champion-driver-dies?ncid=AOLCOMMautodynlsec000
4
<http://autos.aol.com/article/champion-driver-dies?ncid=AOLCOMMautodynlsec00
04&icid=main|main|dl5|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fautos.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fchampion-
driver-dies%3Fncid%3DAOLCOMMautodynlsec0004>
&icid=main|main|dl5|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fautos.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fchampion-dr
iver-dies%3Fncid%3DAOLCOMMautodynlsec0004

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 12 22:42:34 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:42:34 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Add to Donna Mae
Message-ID: <00d101ca4bbf$959028d0$c0b07a70$@net>

http://kdka.com/local/Donna.Mae.Mims.2.1243755.html 

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 04:05:58 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:05:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Add to Donna Mae
In-Reply-To: <00d101ca4bbf$959028d0$c0b07a70$@net>
Message-ID: <899563.50075.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice pic of Donna Mae at the wheel of her bugeye here:

http://http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/obituaries/articles/2009/10/13/donna
_mae_mims_racer_was_known_as_pink_lady/



--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Add to Donna Mae
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:42 AM

http://kdka.com/local/Donna.Mae.Mims.2.1243755.html
You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com

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From denadave at ca.rr.com  Tue Oct 13 07:43:53 2009
From: denadave at ca.rr.com (Dena & David Vrba)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] '62 windscreen replacement
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Hi listers,
Have to replace my windscreen on my '62 Sprite MKII.  Are there any 
procedures out there to do it right and not break my replacement?  I will be 
installing a new gasket around the glass as well as the car to windscreen 
gasket.  I purchased a used windscreen in really good condition but must 
take it out of its frame cause the original gasket is definitely shot.  I 
think I have read before to be really careful at the so called pointy left 
and right bottoms.  This is a breaking area.  I certainly want to do it 
right and have a great finished product.  Any better gaskets than others 
that may make it come together better?  New gaskets are always tough to get 
where the need to seat.  Do you put the glass in the gasket and then put it 
in the frame or do you put the gasket in the frame and then install the 
glass?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

David Vrba
'62 Sprite MKII
Corona, CA 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 13 08:26:18 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:26:18 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] You know you are in Wisconsin when....
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Too "middle".



No snow here yet, but I hear that the Prairies got some snow.



But, I see that our "lows" are getting to be below freezing.  :(



RD

Ottawa ON Canada



> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:22:41 -0500
>
> << ...it snowed. October 10th. This just sucks. >>
>
> You just live TOO far North, Larry !!
> BEAUTIFUL day down here <VBG> !!!!

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct 13 08:41:23 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:41:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
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In the late 60's, I was autocrossing a Spridget, took a girl to the races on 
our first date, and won for the first time ever.  I took the trophy, married 
the girl, and never raced again.  I still have that trophy somewhere.  And 
we are still married.

That is the reason I took up Sprigeteering in retirement.  It is the only 
car I have ever worked on beyond changing oil and light bulbs.  And it won 
for me in two different arenas.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite kit
Long Island, NY 

From pelliott at innercite.com  Tue Oct 13 09:03:20 2009
From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:03:20 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....
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And never say anything that even sound like "airplane".....

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Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Trying to learn stuff....

One word regarding (most, if not all) hydraulic hose shops....
They will make you just about any hose you want...but...NEVER ASK them to
make a 'brake' hose...never!

All hoses are simply "hydraulic" hoses.  If you get me drift.

Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon



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From peter at nosimport.com  Tue Oct 13 09:16:09 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
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Awww. geee Mike,  sniff..

Nice story.    ;-)

Peter C.


At 09:41 AM 10/13/2009, Michael Rowe wrote:
>In the late 60's, I was autocrossing a Spridget, took a girl to the 
>races on our first date, and won for the first time ever.  I took 
>the trophy, married the girl, and never raced again.  I still have 
>that trophy somewhere.  And we are still married.
>
>That is the reason I took up Sprigeteering in retirement.  It is the 
>only car I have ever worked on beyond changing oil and light 
>bulbs.  And it won for me in two different arenas.
>
>Michael Rowe

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 13 09:55:52 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:55:52 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
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But ... did you read between the lines?  I think he's shopping for another
wife and is just getting the bait ready!!



RD

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:16:09 -0500
>
> Awww. geee Mike, sniff..
>
> Nice story. ;-)
>
> Peter C.
>
>
> At 09:41 AM 10/13/2009, Michael Rowe wrote:
> >In the late 60's, I was autocrossing a Spridget, took a girl to the
> >races on our first date, and won for the first time ever. I took
> >the trophy, married the girl, and never raced again. I still have
> >that trophy somewhere. And we are still married.
> >
> >That is the reason I took up Sprigeteering in retirement. It is the
> >only car I have ever worked on beyond changing oil and light
> >bulbs. And it won for me in two different arenas.
> >
> >Michael Rowe

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Tue Oct 13 10:36:25 2009
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:36:25 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
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If that should be the case, his present wife will soon become a widow, 
and can use his statement for her own bait.

Kate

robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote:
> But ... did you read between the lines?  I think he's shopping for another
> wife and is just getting the bait ready!!
>
>
>
> RD
>
>   
>> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:16:09 -0500
>>
>> Awww. geee Mike, sniff..
>>
>> Nice story. ;-)
>>
>> Peter C.
>>
>>
>> At 09:41 AM 10/13/2009, Michael Rowe wrote:
>>     
>>> In the late 60's, I was autocrossing a Spridget, took a girl to the
>>> races on our first date, and won for the first time ever. I took
>>> the trophy, married the girl, and never raced again. I still have
>>> that trophy somewhere. And we are still married.
>>>
>>> That is the reason I took up Sprigeteering in retirement. It is the
>>> only car I have ever worked on beyond changing oil and light
>>> bulbs. And it won for me in two different arenas.
>>>
>>> Michael Rowe
>>>       
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct 13 12:24:39 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:24:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Last Autocross of the area... No LBC content!!
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> But ... did you read between the lines?  I think he's shopping for another
> wife and is just getting the bait ready!!

It is inconceivable to me that I could find anyone else who would put up 
with me for more than a month.  Besides, even after all these years she 
still qualifies as a Trophy Wife.  But with one difference:  She supports me 
(and my Spridgets) in the manner to which I have become accustomed.  (Wait! 
Does that mean I am a Trophy Husband?  That can't be right.  I'm bald, have 
back problems, and have long since lost my 
abs!).........................And, she can cook.

After all the fuss about off-topic messages, I confess that I enjoy much of 
it.  When not working on my cars, I am home alone and these chat groups have 
become an important social connection.  I am often distressed that some of 
the attitudes expressed occur anywhere in the US, let along among 
Spridgeteers, but I am also sure that many of mine are equally distressing 
to someone, somewhere.  I know where the delete key is.  And when I ask a 
reasonable question, I usually get several useful answers.  I could, of 
course, join other more social lists, but that would generate too much 
traffic.  So you Sprigiteers suffer my occassional need to confess.

Michael Rowe

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 12:46:21 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:46:21 -0700
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Congratulations on all those years.
Rare, very rare.

One question....Did you ever let her drive the Spridget?

Herb
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct 13 13:03:30 2009
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One question....Did you ever let her drive the Spridget?

I don't think she ever drove the one we dated in.  I do remember that she helped me pull and replace the engine and transmission.  It was stuck in reverse and we had to back up several miles on the switch-backs in the hills above Honolulu.  This remains a family joke to this day (and they all think I am nuts to get another Spridget).  

I didn't have much money, so we rented a hoist, pulled the unit ourselves and carried the transmission to the shop for repairs.  Her father was not mechanical and was really impressed that we did this.  I got a lot of points, which I really needed because I was not at all interested in going to University ball games with him - a big loss of points.

Michael Rowe

From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue Oct 13 14:16:45 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:16:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?
Message-ID: <000001ca4c42$16a82030$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Took the Turner to a dyno shop.  I'm underwhelmed at the results -- only 60
rear-wheel h.p., & 50 ft.lbs. torque.  Interestingly, the HP curve, is flat
(but rising steadily) from 3200 rpms all the way to 6200 rpms.  And, I mean
FLAT.  It climbs from c. 25HP at 3200 straight up to 60 at 6300.

Torque curve is flat & level from 4000 to max.

Another interesting observation -- going from a 1-3/4" straight pipe to a
reducer to 1-1/2" & then through the original muffler increased the H.P. by
a little over 2 HP.  This is on a 948 that is now c. 1,000 cc with APT
Vintage cam, flat-top pistons, 1-1/2" SUs, & Longman GT6 big-valve head.
Based on results, it will need a better crank to take advantage of the still
climbing power "curve."

Now comes the engine swap to the ex-HP Huffaker engine & back to the dyno
shop with that one.

Any of you Spridget guys had your cars on a dyno?  What results?

Norm Sippel
'59 Turner #47

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 13 15:14:41 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:14:41 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?
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Lots of times and I prefer to never quote the numbers.  What I'm  
interested in is ensuring the ignition and fuelling are optimised.  Chassis  dynos 
read different from each other and according to the weather.
 
Did you have more power before or after the time on the rollers and does  
the car feel better before or after the time on the rollers.  The answer to  
both should be yes.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2009 21:37:33 GMT Daylight Time,  
twobees at sprynet.com writes:

Any of  you Spridget guys had your cars on a dyno?  What  results?

From richb at u.washington.edu  Tue Oct 13 15:43:58 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:43:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor
Message-ID: <02427769A3914056A53182ECAE77D42A@psych.washington.edu>

Saw this add on an Eastern Washington Craigslist.  Seems like a fair price for
a '66 with a hard top if it's not rusted out, but what carburetor is he
running on it?

http://kpr.craigslist.org/cto/1415783564.html

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa

From vdiorio at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 16:15:47 2009
From: vdiorio at hotmail.com (vincent diorio)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:15:47 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?
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OKAY!! Here is a POSER!  I am REALLY close to being finished with my restore
of a 1966 MG Midget, and run into a wall with wheels.  The wheels (wires
w/splines) I have can easily be sandblasted and powdercoated, but replacement
of the tires has me stumped.  I could not easily find tires!  The ones ON the
wheels are ORIGINAL (the car only has about 25000 miles) but are so dry
rotted, I fear ANY bumps in the road.  They say "tubeless" and are 13x4.5 60
spoke, but I was told I needed tubes, rubbers, and I am having a really hard
time finding someone to take off the tires from the wire wheels for the above
work, then replacing and balancing them.  I am SERIOUSLY looking into
minilites with splines for regular tires.  Any suggestions?  HELP!!!  I was
told minilites with splines will not fit the square openings of the wheel
wells, sandblasting the original wheels will ruin the "true", etcetcetc.
HELP!!!


> From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:14:41 -0400
> To: twobees at sprynet.com
> CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?
>
> Lots of times and I prefer to never quote the numbers. What I'm
> interested in is ensuring the ignition and fuelling are optimised. Chassis
dynos
> read different from each other and according to the weather.
>
> Did you have more power before or after the time on the rollers and does
> the car feel better before or after the time on the rollers. The answer to
> both should be yes.
>
> Weslake-Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 13/10/2009 21:37:33 GMT Daylight Time,
> twobees at sprynet.com writes:
>
> Any of you Spridget guys had your cars on a dyno? What results?
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct 13 16:43:40 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor
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Well, ask him. It is set up like an updraft carb. I think that is the
butterfly end you're looking at; probably from a non-auto application. The
butterfly end looks too small from what you'd have on a dual carb motor.
Maybe from a stationary motor or forklift using an old Datsun engine? If you
can steal the car, ok. Otherwise, expect the worst. ...bill in oregon
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[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ball
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To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor

Saw this add on an Eastern Washington Craigslist.  Seems like a fair price
for
a '66 with a hard top if it's not rusted out, but what carburetor is he
running on it?

http://kpr.craigslist.org/cto/1415783564.html

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 17:02:30 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:02:30 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor
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I almost can't see it.  But it looks like some type of up-draft.

From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 17:47:58 2009
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:47:58 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Richard Ball <richb at u.washington.edu>wrote:
but what carburetor is he running on it?

http://kpr.craigslist.org/cto/1415783564.html


Solex, Fish and maybe Zenith made updraft carbs for different cars...

-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct 13 18:00:07 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:00:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <02427769A3914056A53182ECAE77D42A@psych.washington.edu>
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It's hard to see. It looks a little like a Tillotson after-market for a
Model A.

From sales at justbrits.com  Tue Oct 13 18:15:17 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor
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<< I almost can't see it. But it looks like some type of up-draft. >>

Ditto.  The "ask him" is about the only solution to the
question <G> !!

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct 13 18:41:28 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:41:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor
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Message-ID: <B934034C5E434463BADBF06D46388D92@spider>

http://www.carburetor.ca/carbs/images/carbsnapshots/TillotsonModelX.jpg
...bill in oregon
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[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:00 PM
To: Richard Ball; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor

It's hard to see. It looks a little like a Tillotson after-market for a
Model A.
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct 13 18:42:45 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:42:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Name that Carburetor
Message-ID: <18AB8CA088454D318C708F581634C3AF@spider>

http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/wokr/library/Tillotson_Carb_1BF.jpg
Like on Jeeps.   ...bill in oregon
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-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:00 PM
To: Richard Ball; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Name that Carburetor

It's hard to see. It looks a little like a Tillotson after-market for a
Model A.
_______________________________________________

From sales at justbrits.com  Tue Oct 13 19:09:20 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:09:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] "Coolest Cars"
Message-ID: <4AD524C0.8030902@justbrits.com>

 From the Healeys List:

Motor Trend has 'announced' their top '60 coolest cars here:

see all cars here:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0909_60_coolest_cars/index.html

Whilst The Frogeye did NOT make the List [ ????? ] a Big 
Healey did <F>!!

So I registered then I "Commented:" as follows:
<quote>
I simply CANNOT believe that the Frogeye Sprite from Donald Healey did
NOT make the list !!!!
Just plain WRONG !!!
</quote>

Me thinks we should stand up and be heard <G> !!!  Just MVHO,
me thinks !!!!

Ed

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct 13 19:12:02 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:12:02 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>

vincent diorio wrote:
> OKAY!! Here is a POSER!  I am REALLY close to being finished with my restore
> of a 1966 MG Midget, and run into a wall with wheels.  The wheels (wires
> w/splines) I have can easily be sandblasted and powdercoated, but replacement
> of the tires has me stumped.  I could not easily find tires!  

155/80 x 13 are available anywhere. That is what fits the stock wheels.
You will need tubes if yours are shot, if not, tell the tire shop you 
want to re use the tubes.
And do NOT go to one of the big chain tire shops. They will NOT put a 
tube in a "tubeless" tire.
I asked them if they would guaranty the air would not leak out from the 
spokes and all they said was we can not put a tube in a tubeless tire.
So I asked for tube type tires in radials and they laughed.
But the ma & Pa tire shop had no problem with using my old tubes and 
their tubeless tires.
Also whatch what kind of tire machine they use, a spinning center hub 
machine will wipe out the splines.
Any motorcycle shop can true the wheels too.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 13 19:53:42 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:53:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Which came first?  Testosterone or fast cars?
Message-ID: <010101ca4c71$28cd5080$7a67f180$@net>

You may be surprised.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6316522/Fast-cars-boost-mens-te
stosterone-levels-research.html 

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Tue Oct 13 20:40:38 2009
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Tim Collins)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:40:38 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Which came first?  Testosterone or fast cars?
In-Reply-To: <010101ca4c71$28cd5080$7a67f180$@net>
References: <010101ca4c71$28cd5080$7a67f180$@net>
Message-ID: <87d2rg$78rtte@email.mtu.edu>

Is there anything in the health care bill that would cover this treatment?

At 09:53 PM 10/13/2009, Robert Evans wrote:
>You may be surprised.
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6316522/Fast-cars-boost-mens-te
>stosterone-levels-research.html

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 22:17:22 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:17:22 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910132117j56e97c40m63b50794a8311fcf@mail.gmail.com>

One more thing...   Tell them to be damned careful when they balance!!  If
the wire wheels aren't perfectly centered on their machine the balance will
be off.  Also, don't let the bastards put the balance weights on the outside
of the wire wheel!!!  The can go on the inside.  Looks better.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> vincent diorio wrote:
>
>> OKAY!! Here is a POSER!  I am REALLY close to being finished with my
>> restore
>> of a 1966 MG Midget, and run into a wall with wheels.  The wheels (wires
>> w/splines) I have can easily be sandblasted and powdercoated, but
>> replacement
>> of the tires has me stumped.  I could not easily find tires!
>>
>
> 155/80 x 13 are available anywhere. That is what fits the stock wheels.
> You will need tubes if yours are shot, if not, tell the tire shop you want
> to re use the tubes.
> And do NOT go to one of the big chain tire shops. They will NOT put a tube
> in a "tubeless" tire.
> I asked them if they would guaranty the air would not leak out from the
> spokes and all they said was we can not put a tube in a tubeless tire.
> So I asked for tube type tires in radials and they laughed.
> But the ma & Pa tire shop had no problem with using my old tubes and their
> tubeless tires.
> Also whatch what kind of tire machine they use, a spinning center hub
> machine will wipe out the splines.
> Any motorcycle shop can true the wheels too.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From bkitterer at me.com  Tue Oct 13 23:03:43 2009
From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:03:43 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.? now wheels an tires
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3E0106EB-1C64-4300-9789-A9086AD07226@me.com>

Vincent,

Wire wheels require tubes but there is a difference between tubes for  
a bias ply tire and a radial - I do not know what makes them  
different.  This is true regardless of the type of tire.  You should  
have "rubbers" that cover the ends of the spokes inside the rim,  this  
keeps the spokes from rubbing holes in the inner tube.  I have use  
masking tape for this job or find a cheap inner tube and cut it up to  
make the "rubbers."  OK get you minds out of the gutter.

Be careful about powder coating the wheel/spokes.  If they are coated  
assembled the coating will be broken when the wheels are trued so you  
may be better off painting the wheels.  You could get all the parts  
coated separately or I have seen stainless steel spokes.  Either of  
these choices of course requires a complete disassembly of the wheels  
in which case, besides the work, the wheels will diffidently have to  
be trued.

If you happen to be any where near San Diego I can put you in contact  
with a shop that can do the tubes and tires.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, vincent diorio wrote:

> OKAY!! Here is a POSER!  I am REALLY close to being finished with my  
> restore
> of a 1966 MG Midget, and run into a wall with wheels.  The wheels  
> (wires
> w/splines) I have can easily be sandblasted and powdercoated, but  
> replacement
> of the tires has me stumped.  I could not easily find tires!  The  
> ones ON the
> wheels are ORIGINAL (the car only has about 25000 miles) but are so  
> dry
> rotted, I fear ANY bumps in the road.  They say "tubeless" and are  
> 13x4.5 60
> spoke, but I was told I needed tubes, rubbers, and I am having a  
> really hard
> time finding someone to take off the tires from the wire wheels for  
> the above
> work, then replacing and balancing them.  I am SERIOUSLY looking into
> minilites with splines for regular tires.  Any suggestions?   
> HELP!!!  I was
> told minilites with splines will not fit the square openings of the  
> wheel
> wells, sandblasting the original wheels will ruin the "true",  
> etcetcetc.
> HELP!!!

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 23:52:26 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:52:26 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.? now wheels an tires
In-Reply-To: <3E0106EB-1C64-4300-9789-A9086AD07226@me.com>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<3E0106EB-1C64-4300-9789-A9086AD07226@me.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910132252t6d17b0cfu3380c7e95f3263cb@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

Save the embarrassment...  The rubber strips against the spoke ends are
known as "rim straps".  You can buy them from many of the usual suspects.
FWIW I agree with you about powder coating wire wheels. Best to media blast
them clean and then paint even if you have them trued and tunes before hand.
I can almost guarantee that within a year or two they will need tuning again
(lateral stress of cornering) and bang goes your powder coat job.  If you
use a decent rattle can paint on them, its pretty easy to touch them up
again after truing. Of course this is all assuming that you don't have the
bucks to put the really nice chrome wheels on the car...   ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Kitterer Bob <bkitterer at me.com> wrote:

> Vincent,
>
> Wire wheels require tubes but there is a difference between tubes for a
> bias ply tire and a radial - I do not know what makes them different.  This
> is true regardless of the type of tire.  You should have "rubbers" that
> cover the ends of the spokes inside the rim,  this keeps the spokes from
> rubbing holes in the inner tube.  I have use masking tape for this job or
> find a cheap inner tube and cut it up to make the "rubbers."  OK get you
> minds out of the gutter.
>
> Be careful about powder coating the wheel/spokes.  If they are coated
> assembled the coating will be broken when the wheels are trued so you may
be
> better off painting the wheels.  You could get all the parts coated
> separately or I have seen stainless steel spokes.  Either of these choices
> of course requires a complete disassembly of the wheels in which case,
> besides the work, the wheels will diffidently have to be trued.
>
> If you happen to be any where near San Diego I can put you in contact with
> a shop that can do the tubes and tires.
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
>
> On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, vincent diorio wrote:
>
>  OKAY!! Here is a POSER!  I am REALLY close to being finished with my
>> restore
>> of a 1966 MG Midget, and run into a wall with wheels.  The wheels (wires
>> w/splines) I have can easily be sandblasted and powdercoated, but
>> replacement
>> of the tires has me stumped.  I could not easily find tires!  The ones ON
>> the
>> wheels are ORIGINAL (the car only has about 25000 miles) but are so dry
>> rotted, I fear ANY bumps in the road.  They say "tubeless" and are 13x4.5
>> 60
>> spoke, but I was told I needed tubes, rubbers, and I am having a really
>> hard
>> time finding someone to take off the tires from the wire wheels for the
>> above
>> work, then replacing and balancing them.  I am SERIOUSLY looking into
>> minilites with splines for regular tires.  Any suggestions?  HELP!!!  I
>> was
>> told minilites with splines will not fit the square openings of the wheel
>> wells, sandblasting the original wheels will ruin the "true", etcetcetc.
>> HELP!!!
>>
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 14 03:09:11 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:09:11 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>

The problems with tubes in tubeless tyres are (a) chafing (b) creasing and 
(c) trapped air pockets between tyre and tube whilst inflating.
All of these can cause rapid tyre deflation, usually when the tyre is under 
load and you want it to work properly.
The 'chain' tyre shops are covering their own back against being taken to 
Court when refusing to mix tubes with tubeless tyres and the 'Ma & Pa' shops 
are leaving themselves wide open.

If you are going down the non recommended route of tubed tubeless tyres use 
a cloth rim tape (spoke end covers) as this will help stop (c) above as air 
will escape through the cloth.  The tyre may need pressures checking very 
frequently until they settle down. A tight seal around the spoke ends may 
stop leakage but will allow (c) to happen as there is no where, except the 
valve hole in the rim to allow for air bleed.  If you have the valve seated 
correctly this will seal up fairly early whilst inflating.

Came across this article some time ago about wire wheels and it covers many 
aspects and gives a couple of further research leads.

http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/wire-wheels-classic-cars/

Hope it helps,

Guy R Day


----- Original Message ----- 
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:12 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels


 vincent diorio wrote:
 OKAY!! Here is a POSER!  I am REALLY close to being finished with my 
restore
 of a 1966 MG Midget, and run into a wall with wheels.  The wheels (wires
 w/splines) I have can easily be sandblasted and powdercoated, but 
replacement
 of the tires has me stumped.  I could not easily find tires!

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 05:57:56 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:57:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
Message-ID: <402188520910140457i13923fc4v579cfa7b4e5b3ca@mail.gmail.com>

One more detail...
When having tires installed on any original Spridget wheel (modern
alloys are not susceptible to this), always ask to watch them balance
the wheels. When the balancer spins up the tire, watch the lower edge
of the rim for wobble. In fact, before you go, put the rims onto the
car and spin them by hand so you can see how much wobble they really
have. Modern tire balancing equipment expects the hole in the center
to be "true", and that is not the case with RO-Styles and it is
difficult to get the splined wheels true on the equipment. If there is
more wobble present on the tire balancer than there was on your car,
they will NOT be balanced when they are done. Talk to the boss or
manager ahead of time and explain that the rims are a bit of a
challenge on modern balancing equipment and they will generally take
the time and make it right. Different shops use different machines and
some work better on old tires than others...
David L

From abcoz at hky.com  Wed Oct 14 06:55:17 2009
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:55:17 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae Mims
Message-ID: <0E54D450D05F4580ABD0A85FD4E729B4@OwnerPC>

In today's Washington Observer-Reporter (in Washington, PA) is an article on
Donna Mae's passing, which contains some bits of information not seen in other
recent articles.
Check out: www.observer-reporter.com .  Click on "news", then "local news" and
look for the article by Christie Campbell entitled "Bidding farewell to a
colorful figure who made racing history"
Bud Osbourne

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 14 07:27:19 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:27:19 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] "Coolest Cars"
In-Reply-To: <4AD524C0.8030902@justbrits.com>
References: <4AD524C0.8030902@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W21089531D9E48DDA8478D5B8C60@phx.gbl>

No El Caminos either, eh?  ;)

> From the Healeys List:
>
> Motor Trend has 'announced' their top '60 coolest cars here:
>
> see all cars here:
>
>
http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0909_60_coolest_cars/index.ht
ml
>
> Whilst The Frogeye did NOT make the List [ ????? ] a Big
> Healey did <F>!!
>
> So I registered then I "Commented:" as follows:
> <quote>
> I simply CANNOT believe that the Frogeye Sprite from Donald Healey did
> NOT make the list !!!!
> Just plain WRONG !!!
> </quote>
>
> Ed

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 14 07:32:33 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:32:33 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl> 
Message-ID: <BAY112-W14A018D4E1C522228805B6B8C60@phx.gbl>

I'm perhaps the last one that should speak here, but I had a valve stem
disappear from my 20+ year old tube at city speed, so ... govern yourself
accordingly.  You might not be surprised to hear that the NOS air leaves
quickly.  :)



> 155/80 x 13 are available anywhere. That is what fits the stock wheels.
> You will need tubes if yours are shot, if not, tell the tire shop you
> want to re use the tubes.

From jfishbein at snet.net  Wed Oct 14 08:00:27 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:00:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910132117j56e97c40m63b50794a8311fcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <461014.84809.qm@web83907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I know this is true on cast aluminum wheels where adhesive weights are
positioned toward the center of the rim but since a steel wire wheel uses
weights on the rim, wouldn't the wheel be out of balance with the weight
isolated to one side?

jay fishbein
wallingford, ct
I may be out-of-balance but my wheels run true.

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

Also, don't let the bastards put the balance weights on the outside
of the wire wheel!!!  They can go on the inside.  Looks better.

From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Oct 14 08:24:30 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:24:30 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No Spridget content
Message-ID: <200910140724499.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

 From the latest email issue letter to parents of students at U of Minn.

"Our friend, Pete, who monitors the Web cam, points out that the 
"control the camera" feature is turned on once again. You can control 
the Web cam by clicking the link at the bottom of the picture. It was 
turned off during the summer because some miscreants were focusing 
the camera on sunbathing co-eds. If the camera is misused again, Pete 
can always go back into the system and remove that link. (Don't get 
me wrong--we are not blaming parents for misuse of the camera.)"


I'm not Pete, but I'm chuckling.

Peter

From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 08:46:10 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:46:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <200910140724499.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <571319.86036.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:
> summer because some miscreants were focusing the camera on
> sunbathing co-eds. If the camera is misused again, Pete can

Where's the crime? It's Minnesota - they were wearing parkas (I heard).

Pet...Ron

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 09:08:15 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:08:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
Message-ID: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So Rich Ball came over last night to bear witness to my hell.  After starting and warming up, when trying to bring the RPMs up, the engine cuts out.  I have replaced EVERYTHING except the coil (which should be tonite).  Rich hollered to his dad who is a mechanic and he suggested replacing the Lucas electronic distributor.  When I installed it, per the instructions, the wires went directly to the coil.  Rich's dad mentioned an "External amplifier" that is required for the Lucas ($400+ at MO$$ and VB).  He also mentioned some possible magnetic interference from the alternator.  

 I have a couple of questions...

1. does the Lucas electronic distributor REQUIRE the external amplifier on the 1275?  The car never had one before and it was running at one point (although  it was on 2.5 cylinders)
2. does anyone in the Seattle/Everett area have a spare distributor I could borrow to troubleshoot this?

things done so far:

Confirmed fuel pressure
Installed fuel regulator (Weber carb) and dialed to 3lbs (Holley regulator, not the junk one, BillL)
Replace fuel line
New distributor, cap, rotor, wires, plugs (gapped to .029)
New fuel filter
Timing was set (but it is questionable given the suspected distributor issue)
Carb rebuilt a couple of times (all jetting is per the manual)
Float level verified per the manual
And just about everything else!

I appreciate you guys!  Thanks to Rich for coming over to check my sanity.

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:26:23 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:26:23 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <461014.84809.qm@web83907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910132117j56e97c40m63b50794a8311fcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<461014.84809.qm@web83907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910140826wf5c4a95n886d3f2ba8c9701a@mail.gmail.com>

Good thought, Jay. I don't think it would matter if the wheel was on tight.
My reasoning is: Either side you put the weights on will be slightly off of
the center line of the wheel wouldn't it? I can't recall seening a wheel
with weights both inside and outside. I don't have solid wheels for
reference but I think the same would be true with them. What you are
balancing actually is the tire itself. The wheel should be pretty much
balanced. Modern tires are marked with a dot which mounts next to the valve
stem so the tire is designed with the balance application in mind. I've had
tires that were good enough that no balancing weight was needed at all.

This I found was especially true on motorcycle tires. Recently I had a
chance to work on a guy's bike and found a whole buncha weights on the wheel
in different locations around the rim. A local shop had balanced them for
him on a dynamic balancer. I added up the weights and figured their location
around the rim. What I found was that they cancelled out completely!! The
guy running the machine just started slapping weights on it. I removed all
the weights and ran a little static balance on the wheel. It was perfect!!
I had the shop put it back on their dynamic machine and it was perfect.
Moral of the story is that you can't trust the guys running the equipment
either!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> I know this is true on cast aluminum wheels where adhesive weights are
> positioned toward the center of the rim but since a steel wire wheel uses
> weights on the rim, wouldn't the wheel be out of balance with the weight
> isolated to one side?
>
> jay fishbein
> wallingford, ct
> I may be out-of-balance but my wheels run true.
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also, don't let the bastards put the balance weights on the outside
> of the wire wheel!!!  They can go on the inside.  Looks better.
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not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:29:44 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:29:44 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <200910140724499.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <200910140724499.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910140829w5cd4c91le4edfe0e77a26a51@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah sure... Sunbathers in Minnesota,eh?  You mean they took off their
parkas and muck-lucks, eh?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> From the latest email issue letter to parents of students at U of Minn.
>
> "Our friend, Pete, who monitors the Web cam, points out that the "control
> the camera" feature is turned on once again. You can control the Web cam by
> clicking the link at the bottom of the picture. It was turned off during
the
> summer because some miscreants were focusing the camera on sunbathing
> co-eds. If the camera is misused again, Pete can always go back into the
> system and remove that link. (Don't get me wrong--we are not blaming
parents
> for misuse of the camera.)"
>
>
> I'm not Pete, but I'm chuckling.
>
--
Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 14 09:53:01 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:53:01 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <571319.86036.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <200910140724499.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W2984B6A2AF7439D1A73B0AB8C60@phx.gbl>

Well ... assuming that the co-eds were of the opposite gender, I don't see why
the camera focusers are called miscreants.  Seems that they are more likely
trying to be procreants?

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:46:10 -0700
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:
> > summer because some miscreants were focusing the camera on
> > sunbathing co-eds. If the camera is misused again, Pete can

From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 14 10:27:39 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:27:39 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <43840a7e0910132117j56e97c40m63b50794a8311fcf@mail.gmail.com><461014.84809.qm@web83907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910140826wf5c4a95n886d3f2ba8c9701a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02FC3B3E8932416EA0A5808699ECD7BC@user8634b3d69b>

What often happens is the tyre fitter doesn't want to remove old stuck on 
weights because they leave a black sticky mark and there is a chance of rim 
damage if they are levered off with a screwdriver or - it could just be 
because they are lazy!   As you say, new weights are stuck on to 
counterbalance the new tyre and old weights combined.

Guy R Day




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels


> Good thought, Jay. I don't think it would matter if the wheel was on 
> tight.
> My reasoning is: Either side you put the weights on will be slightly off 
> of
> the center line of the wheel wouldn't it? I can't recall seening a wheel
> with weights both inside and outside. I don't have solid wheels for
> reference but I think the same would be true with them. What you are
> balancing actually is the tire itself. The wheel should be pretty much
> balanced. Modern tires are marked with a dot which mounts next to the 
> valve
> stem so the tire is designed with the balance application in mind. I've 
> had
> tires that were good enough that no balancing weight was needed at all.
>
> This I found was especially true on motorcycle tires. Recently I had a
> chance to work on a guy's bike and found a whole buncha weights on the 
> wheel
> in different locations around the rim. A local shop had balanced them for
> him on a dynamic balancer. I added up the weights and figured their 
> location
> around the rim. What I found was that they cancelled out completely!! The
> guy running the machine just started slapping weights on it. I removed all
> the weights and ran a little static balance on the wheel. It was perfect!!
> I had the shop put it back on their dynamic machine and it was perfect.
> Moral of the story is that you can't trust the guys running the equipment
> either!
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:
>
>> I know this is true on cast aluminum wheels where adhesive weights are
>> positioned toward the center of the rim but since a steel wire wheel uses
>> weights on the rim, wouldn't the wheel be out of balance with the weight
>> isolated to one side?
>>
>> jay fishbein
>> wallingford, ct
>> I may be out-of-balance but my wheels run true.
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Also, don't let the bastards put the balance weights on the outside
>> of the wire wheel!!!  They can go on the inside.  Looks better.
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>
>
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> Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
> not
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From jfishbein at snet.net  Wed Oct 14 10:34:13 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910140826wf5c4a95n886d3f2ba8c9701a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <651572.72145.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Jim,

With all due respect, I posed the question because I am not sure your recommendations are correct (They could-be but I'm not sure.) and I was hoping that someone with industry experience would chime-in with some definitive advice.

I believe your recommendation would correctly static balance a wheel and tire but would not effectively dynamically balance a wheel and tire.

I would also be interested to know if wheels are in perfect balance. I doubt it but I'm not a wheel and tire expert.

I'm not debating this, and have nothing more to add. I would just like to hear from someone with hands-on experience.

Jay Fishbein
Tired-out

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
To: 
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:26 AM

Good thought, Jay. I don't think 

From mark at nashvilletn.org  Wed Oct 14 10:44:43 2009
From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:44:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?
References: <000001ca4c42$16a82030$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <0F24044972174006BAF429C217D01EDF@CT>

A few years ago we had $25 dyno day at a local shop.  My stock 1275 70 Midget
measured 55 HP and 60 ft. lbs at 5500 rpm.  No idea if it was right but a
friends Late RB MGB was about the same with his 1800 smog engine.

Mark
Nashville

----- Original Message -----
From: Norm 2Bs
To: Spridgets Digest ; Vintage RacingDigest
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?


Took the Turner to a dyno shop.  I'm underwhelmed at the results -- only 60
rear-wheel h.p., & 50 ft.lbs. torque.  Interestingly, the HP curve, is flat
(but rising steadily) from 3200 rpms all the way to 6200 rpms.  And, I mean
FLAT.  It climbs from c. 25HP at 3200 straight up to 60 at 6300.

Torque curve is flat & level from 4000 to max.

Another interesting observation -- going from a 1-3/4" straight pipe to a
reducer to 1-1/2" & then through the original muffler increased the H.P. by
a little over 2 HP.  This is on a 948 that is now c. 1,000 cc with APT
Vintage cam, flat-top pistons, 1-1/2" SUs, & Longman GT6 big-valve head.
Based on results, it will need a better crank to take advantage of the still
climbing power "curve."

Now comes the engine swap to the ex-HP Huffaker engine & back to the dyno
shop with that one.

Any of you Spridget guys had your cars on a dyno?  What results?

Norm Sippel
'59 Turner #47
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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Wed Oct 14 11:00:37 2009
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:00:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
Message-ID: <1008601ca4cef$da0fbe40$056a010a@mail2world.com>

Is this a NEW dizzy, or one grabbed from another car?
 
The 1500's came with a Lucas OPUS distributor, which had an amplifier
mounted to the side of the dizzy (big box). Some of these (like in the
first '79 that I bought) were replaced by the newer Lucas electronic
ignition, which had an external amplifier box mounted on the pedal box
under the coil. You can tell of it's an OE Lucas electronic as the dizzy
will have stamped on it "45DE4" for the OPUS and "45DM4" for the newer
type.
 
If you bought something new from one of the vendors, then the
instructions should tell you if you need an amplifier or not. I would
suspect that anything new would work similar to a Pertronix...
 
Hope this helps.
-=Chris
 


Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ 

 <-----Original Message----->

 	  	 From: Edward Perez [eap2140 at yahoo.com]
Sent: 10/14/2009 11:10:15 AM
To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie... 

So Rich Ball came over last night to bear witness to my hell. After
starting and warming up, when trying to bring the RPMs up, the engine
cuts out. I have replaced EVERYTHING except the coil (which should be
tonite). Rich hollered to his dad who is a mechanic and he suggested
replacing the Lucas electronic distributor. When I installed it, per the
instructions, the wires went directly to the coil. Rich's dad mentioned
an "External amplifier" that is required for the Lucas ($400+ at MO$$
and VB). He also mentioned some possible magnetic interference from the
alternator. 

I have a couple of questions... 

1. does the Lucas electronic distributor REQUIRE the external amplifier
on the 1275? The car never had one before and it was running at one
point (although it was on 2.5 cylinders) 
2. does anyone in the Seattle/Everett area have a spare distributor I
could borrow to troubleshoot this? 

things done so far: 

Confirmed fuel pressure 
Installed fuel regulator (Weber carb) and dialed to 3lbs (Holley
regulator, not the junk one, BillL) 
Replace fuel line 
New distributor, cap, rotor, wires, plugs (gapped to .029) 
New fuel filter 
Timing was set (but it is questionable given the suspected distributor
issue) 
Carb rebuilt a couple of times (all jetting is per the manual) 
Float level verified per the manual 
And just about everything else! 

I appreciate you guys! Thanks to Rich for coming over to check my
sanity. 
_______________________________________________ 
. 

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct 14 11:22:13 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (DAVID GROPPER)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:22:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <651572.72145.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <222718.64258.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Back in the days when I rode Motocycles that had wheels with spokes, we used
to be able to get weights that fitted on to the spokes themselves,
Are they no
longer available??
It seems to me that they would be the best solution.

Dave
G.
(via the web)

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net>
wrote:

> From: Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets]
wire wheels
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, October 14,
2009, 9:34 AM
> Jim,
> 
> With all due respect, I posed the question because I
am not
> sure your recommendations are correct (They could-be but I'm
> not
sure.) and I was hoping that someone with industry
> experience would chime-in
with some definitive advice.
> 
> I believe your recommendation would
correctly static
> balance a wheel and tire but would not effectively
>
dynamically balance a wheel and tire.
> 
> I would also be interested to know
if wheels are in perfect
> balance. I doubt it but I'm not a wheel and tire
expert.
> 
> I'm not debating this, and have nothing more to add. I
> would
just like to hear from someone with hands-on
> experience.
> 
> Jay Fishbein
>
Tired-out
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire
wheels
> To: 
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, October 14,
2009, 11:26 AM
> 
> Good thought, Jay. I don't think 
>
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From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 11:22:52 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:22:52 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?
Message-ID: <c1b.5d7acd54.380762ec@aol.com>

Tubeless wire spoked wheels from MWS - there are books with this stuff in  
them!
 
In a message dated 13/10/2009 23:16:16 GMT Daylight Time,  
vdiorio at hotmail.com writes:

I am  SERIOUSLY looking into minilites with splines for regular tires.  Any 
 suggestions?  HELP!!! 

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 11:29:07 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:29:07 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
Message-ID: <c83.49f9493d.38076463@aol.com>

I'm inclined to agree and don't care where the weights are on the wire  
wheels on my car.
 
In a message dated 14/10/2009 15:40:43 GMT Daylight Time,  
jfishbein at snet.net writes:

I know  this is true on cast aluminum wheels where adhesive weights are
positioned  toward the center of the rim but since a steel wire wheel uses
weights on  the rim, wouldn't the wheel be out of balance with the weight
isolated to  one side?

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 11:30:47 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:30:47 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
Message-ID: <cac.58caa834.380764c7@aol.com>

Some do - what type do you have?
 
In a message dated 14/10/2009 16:48:12 GMT Daylight Time, eap2140 at yahoo.com 
 writes:

1. does  the Lucas electronic distributor REQUIRE the external amplifier on 
the  1275?

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 11:32:12 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:32:12 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
Message-ID: <c44.34771410.3807651c@aol.com>

I never knew that.  Is this all brands of tyre, just US tyres or  whatever? 
 Enquiring minds need to know.
 
Regards
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 14/10/2009 17:16:01 GMT Daylight Time,  
bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:

Modern  tires are marked with a dot which mounts next to the valve
stem so the tire  is designed with the balance application in mind

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Wed Oct 14 11:51:30 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:51:30 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <651572.72145.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101ca4cf6$f6a73720$f675fea9@p0k7l8>

Hi Jay,

I've balanced a lot of wheels/tires in the past and still do.  I have an
ancient Bear spin balancer. It's a wheel off the car wheel balancer.

The first attempt using this device is to just static balance the wheel
assembly, then spin it.  If it wasn't off balance dynamically, you might
have it done!  If it's off, the weight positioning gadget readout tells you
where and how much weight to put on a specific location, be it static or
dynamic, or change what your first guess was, IE: sorta has a wobble, Mac,
message!  Then you usually put an equal weight pair of weights, 180 degrees
away from each other, to correct that.  You know when you've got it right as
the tire will wind whistle at you as you spin it at high speed.

A rather interesting bit is the tire has a tendency to change shape a bit as
it rotates at high speed.  This is especially true of non radial tires, with
no belt on them in their construction.

The new off the car balancers simply tell you right away on the first spin,
where to stick on the weights and how heavy they should be.  Fast and fairly
accurate.

Egads! Even a drone can do it!

Later, Paul A

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Fishbein" <jfishbein at snet.net>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels


> Jim,
>
> With all due respect, I posed the question because I am not sure your
recommendations are correct (They could-be but I'm not sure.) and I was
hoping that someone with industry experience would chime-in with some
definitive advice.
>
> I believe your recommendation would correctly static balance a wheel and
tire but would not effectively dynamically balance a wheel and tire.
>
> I would also be interested to know if wheels are in perfect balance. I
doubt it but I'm not a wheel and tire expert.
>
> I'm not debating this, and have nothing more to add. I would just like to
hear from someone with hands-on experience.
>
> Jay Fishbein
> Tired-out
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
> To:
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:26 AM
>
> Good thought, Jay. I don't think
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:01:41 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:01:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910141101g7e6369aeg342193c3a142326@mail.gmail.com>

Ed,

You "confirmed fuel pressure", but have you confirmed fuel flow (volume)?

Herb

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct 14 12:05:16 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:05:16 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Vent holes
Message-ID: <7D3D3A69633F4C3C90551C610C339FC3@Home>

My BE has quite a few reinforced oval vent holes  around the bottom of the inner sill and floor pan.    The one under the door is shown in some pictures in Porter's Restoration Manual.  Mine also has a lot of drain holes in the bottom of the sill, which I have never seen before.  As far as I know, these holes are not included in the replacement panels, certainly not in the floor panels I have, although the picture in the Moss catalogue shows one on the floor.

I have not seen discussion of these holes.  They seem like a good idea, especially if we use Waxoil inside.  Were they eliminated in newer cars?  If so, is it because they are not a good idea or because it was cheaper?

What are the group's thoughts on adding these holes to replacement panels?

Michael Rowe
'70 Midget
'60 Sprite kit
Long Island, NY

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 14 12:08:47 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:08:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E49FC7321942413189CB53FDE73ECDD0@spider>

Do you have a condenser in the distributor somewhere? I had a problem with a
brand new condenser where the engine would vibrate at certain RPM and cause
the condenser insides to move up and down and break contact. This would cut
the engine running break up. ...bill in oregon
===================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Edward Perez
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:08 AM
To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...

So Rich Ball came over last night to bear witness to my hell.  After
starting and warming up, when trying to bring the RPMs up, the engine cuts
out.  I have replaced EVERYTHING except the coil (which should be tonite).
Rich hollered to his dad who is a mechanic and he suggested replacing the
Lucas electronic distributor.  When I installed it, per the instructions,
the wires went directly to the coil.  Rich's dad mentioned an "External
amplifier" that is required for the Lucas ($400+ at MO$$ and VB).  He also
mentioned some possible magnetic interference from the alternator.  

 I have a couple of questions...

1. does the Lucas electronic distributor REQUIRE the external amplifier on
the 1275?  The car never had one before and it was running at one point
(although  it was on 2.5 cylinders)
2. does anyone in the Seattle/Everett area have a spare distributor I could
borrow to troubleshoot this?

things done so far:

Confirmed fuel pressure
Installed fuel regulator (Weber carb) and dialed to 3lbs (Holley regulator,
not the junk one, BillL)
Replace fuel line
New distributor, cap, rotor, wires, plugs (gapped to .029)
New fuel filter
Timing was set (but it is questionable given the suspected distributor
issue)
Carb rebuilt a couple of times (all jetting is per the manual)
Float level verified per the manual
And just about everything else!

I appreciate you guys!  Thanks to Rich for coming over to check my sanity.
You are subscribed as corvallis at peoplepc.com

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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 14 12:15:40 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:15:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <651572.72145.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6FB635C.215EA%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

I was just wondering if a British motorcycle shop would be any help with
skinny wire wheels? I also remember taking my '53 F-100 panel to several
tire shops because none of them would install a tube, even though the tires
were tube type bias ply. I finally found a shop that would do it, but then I
had to wait until the one guy who knew how came back from lunch.
BZ

From John.Deikis at va.gov  Wed Oct 14 12:42:52 2009
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9402922371@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

I took my 1275 Midget to a dyno a couple of years ago.

It pulled 84 hp at the rear wheels. Piper "Fast Road" cam, 1<" SU's, LCB
header and a skinny exhaust pipe. I had taken a die grinder to the head and
tried to "Vizardize" it but it only looked so-so. Still couldn't catch Soave,
but had fun eating MGB's on the boulevard in front of the Dairy Queen. J

JohnD



Message: 4

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:16:45 -0400

From: "Norm 2Bs" <twobees at sprynet.com>

Subject: [Spridgets] Chassis Dyno H.P.?

To: "Spridgets Digest" <spridgets at autox.team.net>, "Vintage Racing

      Digest" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>

Message-ID: <000001ca4c42$16a82030$6401a8c0 at normoffice>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"



Took the Turner to a dyno shop.  I'm underwhelmed at the results -- only 60

rear-wheel h.p., & 50 ft.lbs. torque.  Interestingly, the HP curve, is flat

(but rising steadily) from 3200 rpms all the way to 6200 rpms.  And, I mean

FLAT.  It climbs from c. 25HP at 3200 straight up to 60 at 6300.



Torque curve is flat & level from 4000 to max.



Another interesting observation -- going from a 1-3/4" straight pipe to a

reducer to 1-1/2" & then through the original muffler increased the H.P. by

a little over 2 HP.  This is on a 948 that is now c. 1,000 cc with APT

Vintage cam, flat-top pistons, 1-1/2" SUs, & Longman GT6 big-valve head.

Based on results, it will need a better crank to take advantage of the still

climbing power "curve."



Now comes the engine swap to the ex-HP Huffaker engine & back to the dyno

shop with that one.



Any of you Spridget guys had your cars on a dyno?  What results?



Norm Sippel

'59 Turner #47

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:52:07 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:52:07 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <651572.72145.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0910140826wf5c4a95n886d3f2ba8c9701a@mail.gmail.com>
	<651572.72145.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910141152t16248932u9e84a3dcee40fd1c@mail.gmail.com>

Jay,

I don't have the answers on this one either. I was just offering my
reasoning, not questioning your thoughts.  I don't mind being wrong but
would like to know why for future reference and just plain idle curiosity.

FWIW, When I mounted my new tires in early 2008, I had a local Firestone
dealer do it. They were the ones who suggested putting the weights on the
inside. It hadn't occurred to me. He told me that balance in the plane of
rotation would be the same - what might change would be the moments on the
axle & bearings. This made sense as I recalled all the guys who used to
reverse the wheels on their VW bugs back in the day decreasing the life of
the bearings.

I think I'll draw a scale cross section of the wire wheel sliced through
from top to bottom in the plane of the axle. Then I'll measure where the
weights are on the inside as opposed to where they would have been on the
outside. Maybe I can so a summation of moments acting on the
wheel/axle/bearings and see what actual difference there would be. I think
this can be done and the results might be interesting.  Of course, this has
nothing to do with balance, only with leverage on the axle/bearings.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> With all due respect, I posed the question because I am not sure your
> recommendations are correct (They could-be but I'm not sure.) and I was
> hoping that someone with industry experience would chime-in with some
> definitive advice.
>
> I believe your recommendation would correctly static balance a wheel and
> tire but would not effectively dynamically balance a wheel and tire.
>
> I would also be interested to know if wheels are in perfect balance. I
> doubt it but I'm not a wheel and tire expert.
>
> I'm not debating this, and have nothing more to add. I would just like to
> hear from someone with hands-on experience.
>
> Jay Fishbein
> Tired-out
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
> To:
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:26 AM
>
> Good thought, Jay. I don't think
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From John.Deikis at va.gov  Wed Oct 14 12:56:19 2009
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:56:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9402922372@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

I just mounted and balanced a couple of tires on my old Beemer.

I wrapped solder around the spokes. Don't like the sticky-goo weights.

JohnD



Message: 4

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:22:13 -0700 (PDT)

From: DAVID GROPPER <kk7ss at verizon.net>

Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels

To: spridgets at autox.team.net

Message-ID: <222718.64258.qm at web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1



Back in the days when I rode Motocycles that had wheels with spokes, we
used

to be able to get weights that fitted on to the spokes themselves,

Are they no

longer available??

It seems to me that they would be the best solution.



Dave

G.

(via the web)

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 12:58:52 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:58:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910141101g7e6369aeg342193c3a142326@mail.gmail.com>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910141101g7e6369aeg342193c3a142326@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <175535.96450.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, volume was fine.




________________________________
From: WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com>
To: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 11:01:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still no workie...

Ed,

You "confirmed fuel pressure", but have you confirmed fuel flow (volume)?

Herb

From mikey at b2systems.com  Wed Oct 14 13:16:17 2009
From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:16:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <222718.64258.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <222718.64258.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1255547777.3785.118.camel@WebBrowser>

 That is the way British Wire Wheel in Santa Cruz did the wires on my
Singer.  A lead wire about 1/8" in diameter (maybe a little more) is
wrapped around some of the spokes for balancing, this was only 2 years
ago so can't imagine that you can't have it done.  Its the old fashioned
way and looks cool.

	mike

On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 10:22 -0700, DAVID GROPPER wrote:
> Back in the days when I rode Motocycles that had wheels with spokes, we used
> to be able to get weights that fitted on to the spokes themselves,
> Are they no
> longer available??
> It seems to me that they would be the best solution.
> 
> Dave
> G.
> (via the web)

From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 14 13:49:22 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:49:22 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <c44.34771410.3807651c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <241F39CDA2C5461F9B91E9C1B8A57963@user8634b3d69b>

Most large manufacturers will have one on the carcase, it is NOT a legal 
requirement and many fitters totally ignore them.  A chalk mark works just 
as well.

Guy R Day



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
To: <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels


>I never knew that.  Is this all brands of tyre, just US tyres or  whatever?
> Enquiring minds need to know.
>
> Regards
>
> Weslake-Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 14/10/2009 17:16:01 GMT Daylight Time,
> bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:
>
> Modern  tires are marked with a dot which mounts next to the valve
> stem so the tire  is designed with the balance application in mind
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From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 14 13:57:54 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:57:54 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <651572.72145.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<002101ca4cf6$f6a73720$f675fea9@p0k7l8>
Message-ID: <248EED82170B4DEA95E21E8F63A6611B@user8634b3d69b>

Call me a drone would you!!   LOL

Guy R Day


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Asgeirsson" <PAsgeirsson at att.net>
To: "Jay Fishbein" <jfishbein at snet.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels


> Hi Jay,
>
> I've balanced a lot of wheels/tires in the past and still do.  I have an
> ancient Bear spin balancer. It's a wheel off the car wheel balancer.
>
> The first attempt using this device is to just static balance the wheel
> assembly, then spin it.  If it wasn't off balance dynamically, you might
> have it done!  If it's off, the weight positioning gadget readout tells 
> you
> where and how much weight to put on a specific location, be it static or
> dynamic, or change what your first guess was, IE: sorta has a wobble, Mac,
> message!  Then you usually put an equal weight pair of weights, 180 
> degrees
> away from each other, to correct that.  You know when you've got it right 
> as
> the tire will wind whistle at you as you spin it at high speed.
>
> A rather interesting bit is the tire has a tendency to change shape a bit 
> as
> it rotates at high speed.  This is especially true of non radial tires, 
> with
> no belt on them in their construction.
>
> The new off the car balancers simply tell you right away on the first 
> spin,
> where to stick on the weights and how heavy they should be.  Fast and 
> fairly
> accurate.
>
> Egads! Even a drone can do it!
>
> Later, Paul A
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jay Fishbein" <jfishbein at snet.net>
> To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
>
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> With all due respect, I posed the question because I am not sure your
> recommendations are correct (They could-be but I'm not sure.) and I was
> hoping that someone with industry experience would chime-in with some
> definitive advice.
>>
>> I believe your recommendation would correctly static balance a wheel and
> tire but would not effectively dynamically balance a wheel and tire.
>>
>> I would also be interested to know if wheels are in perfect balance. I
> doubt it but I'm not a wheel and tire expert.
>>
>> I'm not debating this, and have nothing more to add. I would just like to
> hear from someone with hands-on experience.
>>
>> Jay Fishbein
>> Tired-out
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
>> To:
>> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
>> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:26 AM
>>
>> Good thought, Jay. I don't think
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From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 14:09:44 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <b777e2be0910141227g715181a0m183a97697626112f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<b777e2be0910141227g715181a0m183a97697626112f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <207340.73848.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, Kent.. appreciate the offer.  I have a 1275 in the car.  I would settle for a points distributor also.  I just want to see the behavior of this problem change.




________________________________
From: CosmicMag1380 <cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com>
To: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 12:27:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still no workie...


On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 I have a couple of questions...

1. does the Lucas electronic distributor REQUIRE the external amplifier on the 1275?  The car never had one before and it was running at one point (although  it was on 2.5 cylinders)
2. does anyone in the Seattle/Everett area have a spare distributor I could borrow to troubleshoot this?

 
Hi Ed,
 
Do you have a 1500 or a 1275 in your car? The electronic dizzy wasn't used on the 1275 engines (from the factory). If you have a 1500 I have a couple of spare dizzies but am not in your area... You are welcome to borrow one for the cost of shipping. I don't have any info on them as they both came with parts cars that I had at one time. If one were to solve your problem, it could be had cheap.
-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 14:10:34 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: $umthin4nuthin has sent a question about item
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 14:14:03 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:14:03 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9402922372@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
References: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9402922372@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910141314h4a12fde9vb8077695a34c6919@mail.gmail.com>

The spoke weights are still available but I hardly every use them on my old
bikes. Today's tires are so well made and balanced that I can usually move a
tire around on the rim until I find a spot where they are in excellent
balance without use of weights. There are, as John says, soft lead wires
available that can be wrapped around the spoke ends too. I've never used
them.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Deikis, John G <John.Deikis at va.gov> wrote:

> I just mounted and balanced a couple of tires on my old Beemer.
>
> I wrapped solder around the spokes. Don't like the sticky-goo weights.
>
> JohnD
>
>
>
> Message: 4
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:22:13 -0700 (PDT)
>
> From: DAVID GROPPER <kk7ss at verizon.net>
>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
>
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
>
> Message-ID: <222718.64258.qm at web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>
> Back in the days when I rode Motocycles that had wheels with spokes, we
> used
>
> to be able to get weights that fitted on to the spokes themselves,
>
> Are they no
>
> longer available??
>
> It seems to me that they would be the best solution.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> G.

From richb at u.washington.edu  Wed Oct 14 14:17:31 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:17:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] still no workie...
Message-ID: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>

As a follow up to Ed's question.

The distributor that Ed has is one that he bought as new off of eBay and is
not the OPUS or CEI units that were used on the 1500's.  It is similar to
this unit currently on eBay.  The instruction said to hook it to the coil.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-NEW-Lucas-electronic-distribu
tor-225_W0QQitemZ150378726301QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Access
ories?hash=item230345439d

Our current working assumption is that the distributer is malfunctioning and
is retarding the spark as the RPM's increase.  We will throw a timing light
on it soon to see what actually is happening as we increase the RPM.  When
the engine was timed originally after the rebuild the timing seemed to
fluctuate  which furthers the suspicion of the distributor.

Here are the symptoms again.  The engine starts right up and idles fine.
When you open the throttle the engine RPM increases as it should until about
2200 RPM.  At this point any further opening of the throttle causes the
engine flatten out, bog down, stumble, chose your adjective.  It does not
miss.  Any increase past this will cause the engine to die.  During all this
the fuel pressure stays constant at 3 psi.  When you let off on the throttle
it returns to a nice idle.

We'll know more when we get a timing light on it.

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct 14 14:43:02 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:43:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <c44.34771410.3807651c@aol.com>
References: <c44.34771410.3807651c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AD637D6.2838.E4E2E3@kk7ss.verizon.net>

As far as I remember...
Here in the USA (don't know about anywhere else),, The red dot that 
you find on the tire is a alignment mark for the tire valve.
The yellow dot is the radial high point of the tire.

If I'm wrong, we'll soon know  ;-))

On 14 Oct 2009 at 13:32, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote:

>> I never knew that.  Is this all brands of tyre, just US tyres or 
>> whatever?  Enquiring minds need to know.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From spritenut at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 16:07:54 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:07:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>
References: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <4AD64BBA.5050602@comcast.net>

Richard Ball wrote:
>
> Here are the symptoms again.  The engine starts right up and idles fine.
> When you open the throttle the engine RPM increases as it should until about
> 2200 RPM.  At this point any further opening of the throttle causes the
> engine flatten out, bog down, stumble, 

Are you pulling a vacuum off the intake for the vac advance?
Not a good idea.
Not being familiar with the guts of this dizzy, but is the advance plate 
secure or is it floating around.
I just found this problem out on some one else's Sprite he loaned me. 
Talk about variable timing!

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 14 16:25:32 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>
References: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <4AD64FDC.1070608@justbrits.com>

<< We'll know more when we get a timing light on it. >>

In either case gents, I would recommend that Ed box
it up and send to Jeff at Advance Distributors to
make SURE it's up to snuff !!!!  Just because it LOOKS
OK...............<G>!!

Ed
Please visit MY site at:
www.justbrits.com

From vdiorio at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 16:26:03 2009
From: vdiorio at hotmail.com (vincent diorio)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:26:03 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W14A018D4E1C522228805B6B8C60@phx.gbl>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>  
Message-ID: <BAY127-W11894ABDE5DCE1BE002EB6AFC60@phx.gbl>

The tubes, rubbers, and tires are ORIGINAL (1966!!).  The wheels are rusty but
not terrible!

> From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:32:33 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
>
> I'm perhaps the last one that should speak here, but I had a valve stem
> disappear from my 20+ year old tube at city speed, so ... govern yourself
> accordingly. You might not be surprised to hear that the NOS air leaves
> quickly. :)
>
>
>
> > 155/80 x 13 are available anywhere. That is what fits the stock wheels.
> > You will need tubes if yours are shot, if not, tell the tire shop you
> > want to re use the tubes.
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From richb at u.washington.edu  Wed Oct 14 17:12:26 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:12:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] still no workie...
References: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>
	<4AD64BBA.5050602@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3C7C7CA2494D49B7A7F3AF3624E41387@psych.washington.edu>

I'm not sure were Ed sourced his vacuum from, I believe it is off the carb, 
but I did pull the vacuum hose off the distributor with no noticeable 
change.  We didn't have a lot of time to work on it last night.  We did pull 
the cap off and by a quick glance the advance plate seems to fine.  We'll 
have to check it out a bit more when we put the timing light to it.

Here's a smaller, tiny if you will, link to a similar distributor currently 
listed by the same guy Ed bought his from.
http://tiny.cc/EWACH

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Richard Ball" <richb at u.washington.edu>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] still no workie...


> Richard Ball wrote:
>>
>> Here are the symptoms again.  The engine starts right up and idles fine.
>> When you open the throttle the engine RPM increases as it should until 
>> about
>> 2200 RPM.  At this point any further opening of the throttle causes the
>> engine flatten out, bog down, stumble,
>
> Are you pulling a vacuum off the intake for the vac advance?
> Not a good idea.
> Not being familiar with the guts of this dizzy, but is the advance plate 
> secure or is it floating around.
> I just found this problem out on some one else's Sprite he loaned me. Talk 
> about variable timing!
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites

From pythias at pacifier.com  Wed Oct 14 17:13:03 2009
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:13:03 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <207340.73848.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<b777e2be0910141227g715181a0m183a97697626112f@mail.gmail.com>
	<207340.73848.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <777060775.20091014161303@pacifier.com>

Hello Edward,

     I have a couple of spare dizzys for a 1098.. 40919 is the
     specific model. More advance than is used on a 1275 but it could
     help you trouble shoot.. let me know if you need one shipped..

     http://www.teglerizer.com/mgstuff/advance_curves.htm

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Dentist : he lives from hand to mouth. 

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 17:47:43 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:47:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Spridgets] still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <4AD64BBA.5050602@comcast.net>
References: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>
	<4AD64BBA.5050602@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <373108.89834.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

vacuum comes off of the base of the Weber...
To: Richard Ball <richb at u.washington.edu>
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 3:07:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] still no workie...

Richard Ball wrote:
> 
> Here are the symptoms again.  The engine starts right up and idles fine.
> When you open the throttle the engine RPM increases as it should until about
> 2200 RPM.  At this point any further opening of the throttle causes the
> engine flatten out, bog down, stumble, 

Are you pulling a vacuum off the intake for the vac advance?
Not a good idea.
Not being familiar with the guts of this dizzy, but is the advance plate secure or is it floating around.
I just found this problem out on some one else's Sprite he loaned me. Talk about variable timing!

-- Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites
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From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 17:49:04 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:49:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <777060775.20091014161303@pacifier.com>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<b777e2be0910141227g715181a0m183a97697626112f@mail.gmail.com>
	<207340.73848.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<777060775.20091014161303@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <246061.59212.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Bill... I'll keep it in mind.  I want to try what Rich is suggesting first, then go for the distributor.  I'll be in touch.




________________________________
From: Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com>
To: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 4:13:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still no workie...

Hello Edward,

     I have a couple of spare dizzys for a 1098.. 40919 is the
     specific model. More advance than is used on a 1275 but it could
     help you trouble shoot.. let me know if you need one shipped..

    http://www.teglerizer.com/mgstuff/advance_curves.htm

-- 
Best regards,
Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com

'66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"

  Dentist : he lives from hand to mouth. 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 18:12:30 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:12:30 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W11894ABDE5DCE1BE002EB6AFC60@phx.gbl>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<BAY112-W14A018D4E1C522228805B6B8C60@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W11894ABDE5DCE1BE002EB6AFC60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910141712j10f7db29i2b181025a3f01680@mail.gmail.com>

Replace the tires and tubes!!!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:26 PM, vincent diorio <vdiorio at hotmail.com> wrote:

> The tubes, rubbers, and tires are ORIGINAL (1966!!).  The wheels are rusty
> but
> not terrible!
>
> > From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca
> > To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:32:33 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
> >
> > I'm perhaps the last one that should speak here, but I had a valve stem
> > disappear from my 20+ year old tube at city speed, so ... govern yourself
> > accordingly. You might not be surprised to hear that the NOS air leaves
> > quickly. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > > 155/80 x 13 are available anywhere. That is what fits the stock wheels.
> > > You will need tubes if yours are shot, if not, tell the tire shop you
> > > want to re use the tubes.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
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not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From billmasq at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 21:33:49 2009
From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:33:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <246061.59212.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<b777e2be0910141227g715181a0m183a97697626112f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W18429CB072D856DF9A3E17CAC50@phx.gbl>

Ed
I have one (from an MGA but should work for troubleshooting) that I could send
up by in-plant mail.
BillM

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:49:04 -0700
> From: eap2140 at yahoo.com
> To: pythias at pacifier.com
> CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
>
> Thanks, Bill... I'll keep it in mind.  I want to try what Rich is suggesting
first, then go for the distributor.  I'll be in touch.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com>
> To: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 4:13:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
>
> Hello Edward,
>
>      I have a couple of spare dizzys for a 1098.. 40919 is the
>      specific model. More advance than is used on a 1275 but it could
>      help you trouble shoot.. let me know if you need one shipped..
>
>     http://www.teglerizer.com/mgstuff/advance_curves.htm
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>
> '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
>
>   Dentist : he lives from hand to mouth.
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From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 22:16:35 2009
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:16:35 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <3C7C7CA2494D49B7A7F3AF3624E41387@psych.washington.edu>
References: <7939AD38DDF44502BAE95DC59FE6F2DF@psych.washington.edu>
	<4AD64BBA.5050602@comcast.net>
	<3C7C7CA2494D49B7A7F3AF3624E41387@psych.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <b777e2be0910142116r76130811h37967aad426f6136@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Richard Ball <richb at u.washington.edu>wrote:
Here's a smaller, tiny if you will, link to a similar distributor currently
listed by the same guy Ed bought his from.
http://tiny.cc/EWACH

>From his listing:
Your satisfaction is of Parmamount importance to em

parmamount??? to who???

-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Thu Oct 15 05:54:11 2009
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:54:11 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] SOS The Erection aftermath
Message-ID: <017201ca4d8e$37525d80$a5f71880$@com>

Thanks to Dave, Neil, Tim, Larry, Dave, Don, Susan, Peter, Jane. Dan, (and
anyone else I might have overlooked this AM) , we got the jack installed,
got a shower installed, and ultimately sorted thru nearly 100 tubs of parts
and personal items. The tubs are stored in the loft over the office, and
opened up lots more room on the pallet shelving in the shop. My move has
taken 6 months, thus far, between moving from the farm and organizing the
new shop. and I'm not done yet.  Hopefully, by the end of this month, all
will be tucked away.

 

Thanks again, my friends, for your help and support.

 

WST

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 15 08:52:12 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] A $65,000 Mini?
Message-ID: <6FA787D32984421E81D97F3C712782E6@HomePC>

eBay # 120480829442

From bpazur at excel.net  Thu Oct 15 09:03:08 2009
From: bpazur at excel.net (Bud Pazur)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Still No Workie
Message-ID: <200910151503.n9FF388o022512@green.excel.net>

This Spring I had exactly the same symptoms. I checked everything three times
(carbs, dwell, timing, fuel filter, gas, etc, etc), which I am sure you have
also. Finally I purchased and installed a new dizzy cap, condenser, plug
wires and coil. It's running great now.

I inspected/tested everything I pulled out, and found nothing, But one of
those components is defective at higher RPMs under load.

Bud
Mr White - '60 1275 Bug w/ 5 speed

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 15 10:31:44 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:31:44 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
Message-ID: <beb.4f1e9793.3808a870@aol.com>

If it's like the one in the link it's a 45DM4 and needs an ignition  
amplifier.  It's also the case that the pickup inside the distributor can  go bad
 
There are books with stuff like this in them.... even with colour  photos.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 15/10/2009 00:45:23 GMT Daylight Time,  
richb at u.washington.edu writes:

I'm not  sure were Ed sourced his vacuum from, I believe it is off the 
carb, 
but I  did pull the vacuum hose off the distributor with no noticeable  
change.  We didn't have a lot of time to work on it last night.   We did 
pull 
the cap off and by a quick glance the advance plate seems to  fine.  We'll 
have to check it out a bit more when we put the timing  light to it.

Here's a smaller, tiny if you will, link to a similar  distributor 
currently 
listed by the same guy Ed bought his  from.
http://tiny.cc/EWACH

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett,  Wa

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 10:37:00 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:37:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Still No Workie
In-Reply-To: <200910151503.n9FF388o022512@green.excel.net>
References: <200910151503.n9FF388o022512@green.excel.net>
Message-ID: <749162.47157.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It's good to know I'm not crazy and alone!  Thanks, Bud.




________________________________
From: Bud Pazur <bpazur at excel.net>
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 8:03:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still No Workie

This Spring I had exactly the same symptoms. I checked everything three times
(carbs, dwell, timing, fuel filter, gas, etc, etc), which I am sure you have
also. Finally I purchased and installed a new dizzy cap, condenser, plug
wires and coil. It's running great now.

I inspected/tested everything I pulled out, and found nothing, But one of
those components is defective at higher RPMs under load.

Bud
Mr White - '60 1275 Bug w/ 5 speed
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct 15 11:25:24 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:25:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Still No Workie
Message-ID: <57C76ADC80874AF5991A8F9BB6162762@spider>

I had a racing VW that pooped out at 7000; that was due to restricted air
flow caused by the stock carb.   ...bill in Oregon
==================================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Pazur
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:03 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still No Workie

This Spring I had exactly the same symptoms. I checked everything three
times
(carbs, dwell, timing, fuel filter, gas, etc, etc), which I am sure you have
also. Finally I purchased and installed a new dizzy cap, condenser, plug
wires and coil. It's running great now.

I inspected/tested everything I pulled out, and found nothing, But one of
those components is defective at higher RPMs under load.

Bud
Mr White - '60 1275 Bug w/ 5 speed
_______________________________________________

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 15 11:39:59 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:39:59 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <beb.4f1e9793.3808a870@aol.com>
References: <beb.4f1e9793.3808a870@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W2258F9DB77A59C770C5D0B8C50@phx.gbl>

Wh would write such a thing?

> From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com
>
> If it's like the one in the link it's a 45DM4 and needs an ignition
> amplifier. It's also the case that the pickup inside the distributor can go
bad
>
> There are books with stuff like this in them.... even with colour photos.
>
> Weslake-Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 15/10/2009 00:45:23 GMT Daylight Time,
> richb at u.washington.edu writes:
>
>
> Here's a smaller, tiny if you will, link to a similar distributor
> currently
> listed by the same guy Ed bought his from.
> http://tiny.cc/EWACH
>
> Rich Ball

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 11:42:06 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] A $65,000 Mini?
In-Reply-To: <6FA787D32984421E81D97F3C712782E6@HomePC>
References: <6FA787D32984421E81D97F3C712782E6@HomePC>
Message-ID: <211421.90130.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Larry,
You obviously didn't read all the way to the bottom of the auction
description.  The car comes with a complimentary copy of the magazine it was
featured in.  

Of course it's $65,000 - it's a magazine car!  Frank, I'm sure
you got at least that much for your bugeye that was in British Car, right? 
And your son's orange VW has got to be worth almost that much now that it made
the cover of that VeeDub rag.  If only I could get mine featured in a magazine
- I know it's only a lowly square-body, but I could probably get $30k for it
then!  

David Booker
Long Island


 



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Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:52:12 AM
Subject:
[Spridgets] A $65,000 Mini?

eBay # 120480829442
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From jfishbein at snet.net  Thu Oct 15 12:27:11 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] A $65,000 Mini?
In-Reply-To: <6FA787D32984421E81D97F3C712782E6@HomePC>
Message-ID: <242320.62356.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Nutcase.

Even if you had that much $ you would just build your own.

Beyond that, it's not worth dissecting his description.

PS If anyone wants a very nice original classic Mini Van, contact me off-list.

Jay Fishbein
Wallingford, CT
73 Morris Mini Van


--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] A $65,000 Mini?
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:52 AM

eBay # 120480829442

From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:32:32 2009
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:32:32 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Still No Workie
In-Reply-To: <749162.47157.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <200910151503.n9FF388o022512@green.excel.net>
	<749162.47157.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b777e2be0910151132n86e4662q5ef8abfca0c7fc57@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com> wrote:
It's good to know I'm not crazy and alone!  Thanks, Bud.

OK, we'll stipulate that you are not alone... Crazy??? The jury is still out
on that!

<VBG>

Me

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 15 13:47:34 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:47:34 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
Message-ID: <c34.6253ee24.3808d656@aol.com>

I guess a person who thought it would be more useful than endless guessing  
at what the problem is with an electronic distributor that might have have 
a  condensor failure?  I had problems with mine and in the end I replaced it 
 with a Pertronix and that's after replacing the pickup-assembly.  'Course 
I  have a Lucas factory electronic ignitions system kit that I'll know never 
 use..
 
In a message dated 15/10/2009 19:35:47 GMT Daylight Time,  
robertduquette at sympatico.ca writes:

Wh would  write such a thing?

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 15:50:20 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
Message-ID: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So...we have:
1) Mom's totaled Mercedes, 2007
2) My best friend's mom, Doreen Cassidy, killed 2007
3) My truck rear-ended

and....
4) My truck essentially totalled today 

all by people (of a single gender, I may add to inevitable abuse) on cellphones. Today's episode in stupidity involves me on a one lane road in my F-150, 50 feet downstream of a 4 way stop, I go to make a right into the dentist office parking lot, and she decides to pass me ON THE RIGHT, ON THE GRASS and t-bones my right front wheel with associated damage to fender, door, bumper, etc. Not a glancing blow, but a t-bone. The comment from the other driver as the officer wrote her citation after citation was, "well, I was going straight and he turned right." 

And I had a cracked tooth, to boot. Everyone's ok, thankfully.

Looking at a new tow vehicle.
Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:31:31 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:31:31 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910151531g3bc8394ci12a9df393826cbf1@mail.gmail.com>

Glad to hear you are okay, Ron. And sorry about the truck...

It amazes me that we have people trying to control firearms when cell phones
are killing way more people....    Maybe law makers would consider banning
"assault phones"?

Cheers!!
Jim

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So...we have:
> 1) Mom's totaled Mercedes, 2007
> 2) My best friend's mom, Doreen Cassidy, killed 2007
> 3) My truck rear-ended
>
> and....
> 4) My truck essentially totalled today
>
> all by people (of a single gender, I may add to inevitable abuse) on
> cellphones. Today's episode in stupidity involves me on a one lane road in
> my F-150, 50 feet downstream of a 4 way stop, I go to make a right into the
> dentist office parking lot, and she decides to pass me ON THE RIGHT, ON THE
> GRASS and t-bones my right front wheel with associated damage to fender,
> door, bumper, etc. Not a glancing blow, but a t-bone. The comment from the
> other driver as the officer wrote her citation after citation was, "well, I
> was going straight and he turned right."
>
> And I had a cracked tooth, to boot. Everyone's ok, thankfully.
>
> Looking at a new tow vehicle.
> Ron

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct 15 17:01:46 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:01:46 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F7BAD02012314C04910560254282A138@spider>

Around the first of the new year, Oregon has outlawed cell phones while
driving. Sorry about your losses. ...bill in oregon
==========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:50 PM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4

So...we have:
1) Mom's totaled Mercedes, 2007
2) My best friend's mom, Doreen Cassidy, killed 2007
3) My truck rear-ended

and....
4) My truck essentially totalled today 

all by people (of a single gender, I may add to inevitable abuse) on
cellphones. Today's episode in stupidity involves me on a one lane road in
my F-150, 50 feet downstream of a 4 way stop, I go to make a right into the
dentist office parking lot, and she decides to pass me ON THE RIGHT, ON THE
GRASS and t-bones my right front wheel with associated damage to fender,
door, bumper, etc. Not a glancing blow, but a t-bone. The comment from the
other driver as the officer wrote her citation after citation was, "well, I
was going straight and he turned right." 

And I had a cracked tooth, to boot. Everyone's ok, thankfully.

Looking at a new tow vehicle.
Ron
_______________________________________________

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 17:54:35 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:54:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <F7BAD02012314C04910560254282A138@spider>
References: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F7BAD02012314C04910560254282A138@spider>
Message-ID: <4AD7B63B.9050501@comcast.net>

corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote:
> Around the first of the new year, Oregon has outlawed cell phones while
> driving. 
They have been outlawed while driving in NJ for years but that doesn't 
stop anybody from talking or texting while driving around here.
In fact, someone close by my house had their car plowed into while it 
was parked. Neighbors ran after the person who hit and ran, turns out it 
was an off duty female cop on her cell phone. And the wrecked car and 
owner are having a hell of a time with any kind of police report.
It seems she is above the law even in a hit and run.
I harp on my own daughter, she gets in her car and picks up her cell 
phone. She is always talking, dialing, or texting while driving.
I just can't get through to her.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 19:26:39 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:26:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <c34.6253ee24.3808d656@aol.com>
References: <c34.6253ee24.3808d656@aol.com>
Message-ID: <319903.59265.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK, coil has been eliminated as the cause.  I just put the new Bosch Blue in and absolutely no change to the situation.  I'll set up a play date with Rich as soon as mommy says it's OK....




________________________________
From: "WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com" <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
To: robertduquette at sympatico.ca; spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 12:47:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...

I guess a person who thought it would be more useful than endless guessing  
at what the problem is with an electronic distributor that might have have 
a  condensor failure?  I had problems with mine and in the end I replaced it 
with a Pertronix and that's after replacing the pickup-assembly.  'Course 
I  have a Lucas factory electronic ignitions system kit that I'll know never 
use..

In a message dated 15/10/2009 19:35:47 GMT Daylight Time,  
robertduquette at sympatico.ca writes:

Wh would  write such a thing?
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Thu Oct 15 20:29:42 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:29:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <319903.59265.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <c34.6253ee24.3808d656@aol.com>,
	<319903.59265.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD7DA96.17957.11C657B@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Fronm a recent personal experience...
Does it run better if you retard the timing about 5 degrees??

On 15 Oct 2009 at 18:26, Edward Perez wrote:

>> OK, coil has been eliminated as the cause.  I just put the new Bosch
>> Blue in and absolutely no change to the situation.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From sales at justbrits.com  Thu Oct 15 20:38:03 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W18429CB072D856DF9A3E17CAC50@phx.gbl>
References: <485522.901.qm@web33705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<b777e2be0910141227g715181a0m183a97697626112f@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT123-W18429CB072D856DF9A3E17CAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AD7DC8B.2040409@justbrits.com>

<< Ed
I have one (from an MGA but should work for troubleshooting)
that I could send up by in-plant mail.
BillM >>

Ed, sounds like you should take Bill up on his kind &
generous offer !!!!!

Ed

From b-evans at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 15 21:19:09 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:19:09 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
Message-ID: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>

Oh, driving and yapping on a cell phone has been illegal in California since
January 1.  But does that matter to the anal orifices who don't believe it
applies to them.

 

Perhaps the worst case was as I was driving in Little Saigon (Garden Grove).
An Ornamental girl of 19-20 is driving along with her right hand holding a
cell phone to her right ear, her left hand holding another cell phone to her
left ear.  All the while she is attempting to make a left turn in front of
*me* by turning the steering wheel with her ELBOWS!!!!!

 

God protects the stupid ones!  And lets them kill *other* people!!!!

From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 23:03:56 2009
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:03:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
Message-ID: <8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Oh, driving and yapping on a cell phone has been illegal in California
since
> January 1.  But does that matter to the anal orifices who don't believe it
> applies to them.

Are you referring to this ???
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/15/national/main5385665.shtml

From ggroiss at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 06:30:40 2009
From: ggroiss at gmail.com (Gregory Groiss)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
	<8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com>

I see people texting while driving with their knee and swerving all
over the highway every day. Best thing I ever saw while driving was a
guy playing a trumpet.  One had on the wheel and the other holding the
trumpet out in front of him.  If someone wasn't in the car with me as
a witness I don't think I would have believed it myself.



On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Jeff Foster <tr3.4.me at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net>
wrote:
>> Oh, driving and yapping on a cell phone has been illegal in California
> since
>> January 1.  But does that matter to the anal orifices who don't believe it
>> applies to them.
>
> Are you referring to this ???
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/15/national/main5385665.shtml
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From pythias at pacifier.com  Fri Oct 16 06:54:29 2009
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:54:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
Message-ID: <455906765.20091016055429@pacifier.com>

Hello,

    At least in Washington, it is against the law to use a cell phone
    that is not a "hands free" device while driving, BUT...

    It is not a primary offence. That is they can't pull you over for
    it, they can just add to the fine if they pull you over for
    something else. ...MEANWHILE..

    As WE who are enlightened are aware, even using a hands free phone
    has been shown to be at least as large an impairment as driving
    over the .08 blood/alchohol limit. .....

    (speaking of which, all studies showing drunk driving impairment
    show you the results after jut TWO drinks. They don't show what
    happens after just ONE because you actually become a better
    driver, at least as determined from their tests.. they never want
    to tell you that bit of information, but I digress..)

    Until it becomes a primary, ticketable offence, people won't stop
    doing it...

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
      * "That horse looks like a good bet at 17 to 1," said Tom oddly.

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 16 06:58:31 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:58:31 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <4AD7B63B.9050501@comcast.net>
References: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F7BAD02012314C04910560254282A138@spider> 
	<4AD7B63B.9050501@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W52E7798319FC106222A5ABB8C40@phx.gbl>

Forget the harp; send her a text!  ;)

> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:54:35 -0400
> I harp on my own daughter, she gets in her car and picks up her cell
> phone. She is always talking, dialing, or texting while driving.
> I just can't get through to her.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 16 08:13:35 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net><8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>
	<d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F2ABFD62633426B81437E14FE4CE4D1@HomePC>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gregory Groiss" <ggroiss at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:30 AM
To: "Jeff Foster" <tr3.4.me at gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4

I see people texting while driving with their knee and swerving all
over the highway every day. Best thing I ever saw while driving was a
guy playing a trumpet.  One had on the wheel and the other holding the
trumpet out in front of him.  If someone wasn't in the car with me as
a witness I don't think I would have believed it myself.


================

That was Flounder. 

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:13:59 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:59 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W52E7798319FC106222A5ABB8C40@phx.gbl>
References: <684656.85353.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F7BAD02012314C04910560254282A138@spider>
	<4AD7B63B.9050501@comcast.net>
	<BAY112-W52E7798319FC106222A5ABB8C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <402188520910160713p4c73e40g90d5e4d653e4d589@mail.gmail.com>

Trumpet? Piker! A friend of mine got pulled over for playing the banjo
while driving...
OTOH, I have found that playing the harmonica is very good for keeping
one awake while driving tired. Much less conspicuous than a trumpet or
banjo and less dangerous than the tin whistle.
David L

From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct 16 08:26:56 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:26:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com
  >
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
	<8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>
	<d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910160726333.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

At 07:30 AM 10/16/2009, Gregory Groiss wrote:
>  Best thing I ever saw while driving was a
>guy playing a trumpet.  One had on the wheel and the other holding the
>trumpet out in front of him.  If someone wasn't in the car with me as
>a witness I don't think I would have believed it myself.



Was it a red Sprite with Ontario license plates?..........



Peter C 

From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct 16 08:31:47 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:31:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <455906765.20091016055429@pacifier.com>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
	<455906765.20091016055429@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <20091016073138.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

At 07:54 AM 10/16/2009, Bill L wrote:
>Hello,
>
>     Until it becomes a primary, ticketable offence, people won't stop
>     doing it...
-------------
It wouldn't take much to activate a block on cell phones if the wheel 
speed sensors are sensing wheel speed.

Smarter people than me should be playing with that.

Peter C 

From neilandcustom at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:31:57 2009
From: neilandcustom at gmail.com (Neil Anderson)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:31:57 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
	<8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>
	<d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca4e6d$6dde08b0$499a1a10$@com>

If you didn't see it, I think most people need to see the forward that Ed
sent out late last week of the accident where a young kid crossed the
centerline while texting and hit a semi-tractor head on.  It was pretty
gruesome.  The whole front of the car was gone.  They had to put the kid
into two body bags, which the photos showed.  Quite an impression.

I think texting is the worst offense, but none of us are totally blameless
getting sometimes distracted while driving.  I rarely use the phone in the
car, but I sometimes eat while driving.  If it is not that, then it can
happen adjusting the radio or heater or something else that takes our eyes
off the road.  It only takes a couple seconds to get into trouble.

There has been talk of banning some of these distractions while driving, but
compliance is another thing.  How many people still get killed by not
wearing seat belts and how long have those laws been on the books?

Neil Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gregory Groiss
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:31 AM
To: Jeff Foster
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4

I see people texting while driving with their knee and swerving all
over the highway every day. Best thing I ever saw while driving was a
guy playing a trumpet.  One had on the wheel and the other holding the
trumpet out in front of him.  If someone wasn't in the car with me as
a witness I don't think I would have believed it myself.



On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Jeff Foster <tr3.4.me at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Robert Evans <b-evans at earthlink.net>
wrote:
>> Oh, driving and yapping on a cell phone has been illegal in California
> since
>> January 1.  But does that matter to the anal orifices who don't believe
it
>> applies to them.
>
> Are you referring to this ???
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/15/national/main5385665.shtml
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 08:34:55 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:34:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <455906765.20091016055429@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <115555.70657.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"even using a hands free phone has been shown to be at least as large an
impairment as driving over the .08 blood/alchohol limit. ....."

 
I'm not trying to argue for phone use, but am just curious how a properly used
hands-free phone is supposed to be as dangerous as driving drunk.  I have
trouble understanding how (again, assuming it is properly used) it is any more
distracting than speaking with a person in the passenger seat.  
 
I use a belt-clip to secure my phone to the shoulder harness of my seat belt
(because I refuse to go thru life with little things with lights dangling from
my ear).  If someone calls, I just reach up, flip open the phone and speak.  I
don't think I am any more distracted than if I were speaking with a passenger
sitting next to me.  I rarely ever make a call, but if I do, it is only to
someone programmed into the phone. Yesterday I reached up, touched a button
and said "Call Kyle Mobile" when checking to see if my 14 year old son was
through with his cross country practice.  It did not cause me to wander in my
lane or break concentration at all.  I concede that if I were having to dial a
number, that would be dangerous, but then it is not a hands-free device is
it?  I also conceed that certain passengers can be very distracting for a wide
range of reasons, but that's a bit off-subject...
 
David Booker
Long Island
 

From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 09:04:51 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <3F2ABFD62633426B81437E14FE4CE4D1@HomePC>
Message-ID: <583823.6682.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stopped at a light on the way in today, the woman next to me was eating a bowl
of cereal. If I didn't have my cell phone OFF, I would have taken a picture or
youtube video.

Ron


--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
> To: "Gregory Groiss" <ggroiss at gmail.com>, "Jeff Foster"
<tr3.4.me at gmail.com>
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 9:13 AM
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gregory Groiss" <ggroiss at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:30 AM
> To: "Jeff Foster" <tr3.4.me at gmail.com>
> Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
>
> I see people texting while driving with their knee and
> swerving all
> over the highway every day. Best thing I ever saw while
> driving was a
> guy playing a trumpet.  One had on the wheel and the
> other holding the
> trumpet out in front of him.  If someone wasn't in the
> car with me as
> a witness I don't think I would have believed it myself.

From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:17:18 2009
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:17:18 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <20091016073138.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
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> It wouldn't take much to activate a block on cell phones if the wheel speed
> sensors are sensing wheel speed.
>

Not all cars have wheel speed sensors ... what then?

That would also run up against the arguent that a passenger may have a
legitimate need for using a cell phone in a moving car.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 16 09:24:27 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:24:27 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
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	<000001ca4e6d$6dde08b0$499a1a10$@com>
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There has been talk of banning some of these distractions while driving, but
compliance is another thing.  How many people still get killed by not
wearing seat belts and how long have those laws been on the books?

Neil Anderson

====================

Neil, that is just Darwin at work.

If you aren't smart enough to put a seatbelt on, you aren't smart enough to 
be driving.

From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Fri Oct 16 09:38:13 2009
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (cmanuel at wi.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:38:13 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <583823.6682.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091016153813.6TJ5Y.277176.root@hrndva-web10-z01>

on my moring route, I usually see a guy using a cordless shaver while driving.

Chris
---- Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Stopped at a light on the way in today, the woman next to me was eating a bowl
> of cereal. If I didn't have my cell phone OFF, I would have taken a picture or
> youtube video.
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
> > To: "Gregory Groiss" <ggroiss at gmail.com>, "Jeff Foster"
> <tr3.4.me at gmail.com>
> > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Gregory Groiss" <ggroiss at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:30 AM
> > To: "Jeff Foster" <tr3.4.me at gmail.com>
> > Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
> >
> > I see people texting while driving with their knee and
> > swerving all
> > over the highway every day. Best thing I ever saw while
> > driving was a
> > guy playing a trumpet.  One had on the wheel and the
> > other holding the
> > trumpet out in front of him.  If someone wasn't in the
> > car with me as
> > a witness I don't think I would have believed it myself.
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 16 09:45:13 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:45:13 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
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References: <3F2ABFD62633426B81437E14FE4CE4D1@HomePC>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W442F12FDE6BD6D5865C406B8C40@phx.gbl>

Oh!  You should have turned it on!!!

> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:04:51 -0700
>
> Stopped at a light on the way in today, the woman next to me was eating a
bowl
> of cereal. If I didn't have my cell phone OFF, I would have taken a picture
or
> youtube video.
>
> Ron

From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 09:50:56 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <115555.70657.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <885569.48782.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> it?  I also conceed that certain passengers can be
> very distracting for a wide
> range of reasons, but that's a bit off-subject...

I have not been hit by a person eating a Big Mac. I have several data points
with cell drivers. In my experience, having a conversation with a person in
the car often will sometimes result in that person saying "watch that guy in
front of you" if you get distracted.

Ron

From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 16 09:56:45 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
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<<If you didn't see it, I think most people need to see the forward
that Ed>>

Thanks Neil, and I AGREE.  If I misses anybody and you
would like to have it rub off on someone, just ask.
The following is the pre-face I penned for the lead-in
of the particular mail:

<quote>
PLEASE pass on to ANYBODY that you care about !!!

These pics SHOULD be carried by EVERY Police Officer
just to be able to show 'offenders' !!!  "Might" change the
'offender's thought process !!!!

*Subject:* Fwd: This Guy Was Texting A Friend When He
Crossed The Center Line !!!!!!...
the pictures get worse the further down you scan..
</quote>

From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 16 09:57:50 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:57:50 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <000001ca4e6d$6dde08b0$499a1a10$@com>
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	<8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>
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Sorry, fat fingers<G>.

Should read : "missed" !!

Me

From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 16 10:02:35 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <115555.70657.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <115555.70657.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD8991B.5070503@justbrits.com>

<< I'm not trying to argue for phone use, but am just curious how a
properly used hands-free phone is supposed to be as dangerous as
driving drunk. >>

Need confirm from Jay but IIRC NHTSB did some
very through testing on this.

It was also shown that just plain 'normal' conversation
with a passenger was almost just as dangerous, David.

Ed

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 10:05:33 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:05:33 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
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Peter,
They won't do that until they start catching people playing the pipe organ
while driving....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> At 07:54 AM 10/16/2009, Bill L wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>    Until it becomes a primary, ticketable offence, people won't stop
>>    doing it...
>>
> -------------
> It wouldn't take much to activate a block on cell phones if the wheel speed
> sensors are sensing wheel speed.
>
> Smarter people than me should be playing with that.
>
> Peter C

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 10:10:25 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <115555.70657.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <455906765.20091016055429@pacifier.com>
	<115555.70657.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910160910i600d6033r4c08fc58e3b82bb@mail.gmail.com>

It's the distraction, David.  You hit on the idea below.  If you are talking
on the phone your full attention is NOT on driving. I agree it is the same
thing to be gabbing with a passenger. One reason I love riding motorcycles
is I don't have to talk with anyone and I don't have distraction from radio,
CDs etc. I find concentrating on driving is a wonderful release from the day
to day drudgery of life.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "even using a hands free phone has been shown to be at least as large an
> impairment as driving over the .08 blood/alchohol limit. ....."
>
>
> I'm not trying to argue for phone use, but am just curious how a properly
> used
> hands-free phone is supposed to be as dangerous as driving drunk.  I have
> trouble understanding how (again, assuming it is properly used) it is any
> more
> distracting than speaking with a person in the passenger seat.
>
> I use a belt-clip to secure my phone to the shoulder harness of my seat
> belt
> (because I refuse to go thru life with little things with lights dangling
> from
> my ear).  If someone calls, I just reach up, flip open the phone and speak.
>  I
> don't think I am any more distracted than if I were speaking with a
> passenger
> sitting next to me.  I rarely ever make a call, but if I do, it is only to
> someone programmed into the phone. Yesterday I reached up, touched a button
> and said "Call Kyle Mobile" when checking to see if my 14 year old son was
> through with his cross country practice.  It did not cause me to wander in
> my
> lane or break concentration at all.  I concede that if I were having to
> dial a
> number, that would be dangerous, but then it is not a hands-free device is
> it?  I also conceed that certain passengers can be very distracting for a
> wide
> range of reasons, but that's a bit off-subject...
>
> David Booker
> Long Island
>
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Cheers!!
Jim
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am
not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 10:16:45 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:16:45 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <8819C6AD7A9849B3941D0E5B1FDEA288@HomePC>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
> Neil, that is just Darwin at work.
>
> If you aren't smart enough to put a seatbelt on, you aren't smart enough to
> be driving.
>

Agreed.  All those of our parent's generation and before who drove without
seat belts because there weren't any were idiots and genetic throw backs.
What's that make us?

Would you make the same argument about air bags?

C'mon, Larry - lay off the platitudes and invectives. Next you'll be saying
we should all drive a Sherman Tank with a 5 mph governor on it.

:-)

Cheers!!
Jim

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 10:19:36 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:19:36 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
Message-ID: <d32.62c5833d.3809f718@aol.com>

Same thing in the UK and I have also seen a cop on his personal mobile  
phone while driving.
 
In a message dated 16/10/2009 01:46:53 GMT Daylight Time,  
spritenut at comcast.net writes:

They  have been outlawed while driving in NJ for years but that doesn't 
stop  anybody from talking or texting while driving around here.
In fact, someone  close by my house had their car plowed into while it 
was parked. Neighbors  ran after the person who hit and ran, turns out it 
was an off duty female  cop on her cell phone

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 11:07:16 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:07:16 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <d32.62c5833d.3809f718@aol.com>
References: <d32.62c5833d.3809f718@aol.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910161007p2425f081p8c9a691ef5382ed8@mail.gmail.com>

And, because of OnStar, hands-free phone use will never be outlawed.

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 16 11:07:33 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:07:33 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <d32.62c5833d.3809f718@aol.com>
References: <d32.62c5833d.3809f718@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W111316826AC3D44CA35268B8C40@phx.gbl>

I don't know if they're "personal" or not; but it's routine to see police
using cell phones while driving ... and don't forget they also use mounted
computers.  Hopefully they're not on this list while driving!!!  ;)

> From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com
>
> Same thing in the UK and I have also seen a cop on his personal mobile
> phone while driving.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 16 11:08:11 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910160916i74cce9e1oc008a9c6457f1808@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net><8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com><d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com><000001ca4e6d$6dde08b0$499a1a10$@com><8819C6AD7A9849B3941D0E5B1FDEA288@HomePC>
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Message-ID: <240EB9C8165344E5902A1FEFCF43C5E0@HomePC>

I fail to see the logic in what you are saying.  I'm not surprised.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:16 AM
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Larry Daniels 
<ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
> Neil, that is just Darwin at work.
>
> If you aren't smart enough to put a seatbelt on, you aren't smart enough 
> to
> be driving.
>

Agreed.  All those of our parent's generation and before who drove without
seat belts because there weren't any were idiots and genetic throw backs.
What's that make us?

Would you make the same argument about air bags?

C'mon, Larry - lay off the platitudes and invectives. Next you'll be saying
we should all drive a Sherman Tank with a 5 mph governor on it.

:-)

Cheers!!
Jim
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From ggroiss at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 11:14:26 2009
From: ggroiss at gmail.com (Gregory Groiss)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:14:26 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910160916i74cce9e1oc008a9c6457f1808@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
	<8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com>
	<d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001ca4e6d$6dde08b0$499a1a10$@com>
	<8819C6AD7A9849B3941D0E5B1FDEA288@HomePC>
	<43840a7e0910160916i74cce9e1oc008a9c6457f1808@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d66433d0910161014h743a6fd8j85915a82fe3a887d@mail.gmail.com>

My neighbor was riding his motorcycle on the highway with two other
guys.  All of a sudden one of the guys he was riding with was hit from
behind by a guy in a car doing 80mph.  When the cops got there the guy
in the car told them he just got off a call and was putting his phone
away.

The guy who was hit lost some skin and a few teeth but ended up being OK.

-g

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Larry Daniels
<ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> Neil, that is just Darwin at work.
>>
>> If you aren't smart enough to put a seatbelt on, you aren't smart enough
to
>> be driving.
>>
>
> Agreed.  All those of our parent's generation and before who drove without
> seat belts because there weren't any were idiots and genetic throw backs.
> What's that make us?
>
> Would you make the same argument about air bags?
>
> C'mon, Larry - lay off the platitudes and invectives. Next you'll be saying
> we should all drive a Sherman Tank with a 5 mph governor on it.
>
> :-)
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 16 11:17:41 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:17:41 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <4AD8991B.5070503@justbrits.com>
References: <115555.70657.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W21A6CFCC108D7F0E3FB420B8C40@phx.gbl>

I've driven with people who barely know the road exists when the conversation
gets going and I've driven with people who forget there's a conversation going
when they spot something that requires their driving attention.  Not everyone
is the same.  We all have strengths and weaknesses.  One rule isn't going to
serve everyone well.  And more rules even less so.





> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:02:35 -0500
>
> It was also shown that just plain 'normal' conversation
> with a passenger was almost just as dangerous, David.

From jfishbein at snet.net  Fri Oct 16 11:22:19 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:22:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <4AD8991B.5070503@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <201073.64043.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This is true depending upon who is the passenger.

jay fishbein
wallingford, ct

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com> wrote:

It was also shown that just plain 'normal' conversation
with a passenger was almost just as dangerous, David.

Ed

From conen at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 16 11:31:42 2009
From: conen at bellsouth.net (Edmund Conen)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:31:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive
Message-ID: <489087.13268.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>>I harp on my own daughter, she gets in her car and picks up her cell
phone. She is always talking, dialing, or texting while driving.
I just can't get through to her.

  Take the phone out of her hand, throw it on the street and stomp it, hard.
  It may not stop her, and you might end up buying the replacement, but it should at least get her attention and let her know you are serious.
  Just an idea.. ;-)
  Ed in NC

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Fri Oct 16 11:39:51 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:39:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <402188520910160713p4c73e40g90d5e4d653e4d589@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6FDFDF7.21677%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>  A friend of mine got pulled over for playing the banjo
> while driving...
When I was 19, I used to play banjo while riding to my girlfriend's house on
my Vespa.  It was about 18 miles of two-lane blacktop through cornfields.

From kentmclean at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 11:49:01 2009
From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:49:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15411.1255710008.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15411.1255710008.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4AD8B20D.4060700@comcast.net>

David Booker wrote:
> I'm not trying to argue for phone use, but am just curious how a properly used
> hands-free phone is supposed to be as dangerous as driving drunk.  I have
> trouble understanding how (again, assuming it is properly used) it is any more
> distracting than speaking with a person in the passenger seat.  

How much explanation do you want?  Googling nets this:
<http://www.unews.utah.edu/p/?r=062206-1>

-- 
Kent McLean
'56 100 BN2

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 16 12:02:21 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:02:21 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <240EB9C8165344E5902A1FEFCF43C5E0@HomePC>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net><8de85a9c0910152203r710f88dere6a79e1116de9d99@mail.gmail.com><d66433d0910160530o293c04edo972edeafd1e3705e@mail.gmail.com><000001ca4e6d$6dde08b0$499a1a10$@com><8819C6AD7A9849B3941D0E5B1FDEA288@HomePC>
	<43840a7e0910160916i74cce9e1oc008a9c6457f1808@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <BAY112-W49BA5E5AD32C566F419D61B8C40@phx.gbl>

Are those Pontiac models?


> C'mon, Larry - lay off the platitudes and invectives.

>
> :-)
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 12:24:35 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:24:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <201073.64043.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4AD8991B.5070503@justbrits.com>
	<201073.64043.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910161124k6929c03ap774282449ac897c@mail.gmail.com>

> This is true depending upon who is the passenger.

Yup. Outlaw Karen Hardy as a passenger!
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 12:31:54 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:31:54 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive
In-Reply-To: <489087.13268.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <489087.13268.qm@web180206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910161131p39b3f1y4be92db87ea99fe1@mail.gmail.com>

>>>I harp on my own daughter, she gets in her car and picks up her cell
> phone. She is always talking, dialing, or texting while driving.
> I just can't get through to her.

Too bad you can't just make a holster on the passenger side that turns
of the fuel pump if there is not a powered-off cell phone inserted in
it ;-)
David L

From frog.aye at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 12:45:54 2009
From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:45:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <20091016073138.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>
	<455906765.20091016055429@pacifier.com>
	<20091016073138.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <4333f8140910161145k528f1fc2oa67d225deb04d49d@mail.gmail.com>

When that happens will we all have to have wheel speed sensors put on our
Spridgets? (just stirring the pot a bit <G>)
Hal

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> At 07:54 AM 10/16/2009, Bill L wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>    Until it becomes a primary, ticketable offence, people won't stop
>>    doing it...
>>
> -------------
> It wouldn't take much to activate a block on cell phones if the wheel speed
> sensors are sensing wheel speed.
>
> Smarter people than me should be playing with that.
>
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Fri Oct 16 12:53:22 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:53:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <240EB9C8165344E5902A1FEFCF43C5E0@HomePC>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>,
	<43840a7e0910160916i74cce9e1oc008a9c6457f1808@mail.gmail.com>,
	<240EB9C8165344E5902A1FEFCF43C5E0@HomePC>
Message-ID: <4AD8C122.31200.EAF05B@kk7ss.verizon.net>

I don't know about the 5 mph governor, but it sure would be helpful 
in dealing with some of the drivers around here if there was a 
working 50mm cannon on it.....

On 16 Oct 2009 at 12:08, Larry Daniels wrote:

>> C'mon, Larry - lay off the platitudes and invectives. Next you'll be
>> saying we should all drive a Sherman Tank with a 5 mph governor on it.

--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 16 13:31:28 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <4AD8C122.31200.EAF05B@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>,
	<43840a7e0910160916i74cce9e1oc008a9c6457f1808@mail.gmail.com>,
Message-ID: <BAY112-W3463DF2D0F15F464924711B8C40@phx.gbl>

Why?  Do you figure they can't shoot back any better than they drive?  :)

> From: kk7ss at verizon.net
>
> I don't know about the 5 mph governor, but it sure would be helpful
> in dealing with some of the drivers around here if there was a
> working 50mm cannon on it.....

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 16 13:37:27 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:37:27 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <4AD8C122.31200.EAF05B@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <00be01ca4e0f$6d3e35f0$47baa1d0$@net>,
	<43840a7e0910160916i74cce9e1oc008a9c6457f1808@mail.gmail.com>,
	<240EB9C8165344E5902A1FEFCF43C5E0@HomePC>
	<4AD8C122.31200.EAF05B@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <599B2EB9C6684B01BBCCD2F1202F6729@HomePC>

A minor correction here, Dave.  That was Jim Johnson that wrote that, not 
me.


Larry

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave G." <kk7ss at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 1:53 PM
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4

I don't know about the 5 mph governor, but it sure would be helpful
in dealing with some of the drivers around here if there was a
working 50mm cannon on it.....

On 16 Oct 2009 at 12:08, Larry Daniels wrote:

>> C'mon, Larry - lay off the platitudes and invectives. Next you'll be
>> saying we should all drive a Sherman Tank with a 5 mph governor on it.

--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 16:47:32 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] OT: Bicycle question
Message-ID: <e98d88090910161547l420d4b24t5305ef176c770fde@mail.gmail.com>

I know many of us have other hobbies, fixing up bicycles to resell is one of
mine. I am looking for someone that may know something about older bikes. I
picked up a Montgomery Ward Hawthorne ladies bike. It is almost perfect, for
what looks to be a 60's bike. I am looking to see what this may be worth,
before listing it on Craigslist.
If anyone has any information that they can share, or has a friend that
would share, please hit me off list.

-- 
DON JULIO 1942

www.myspace.com/tequilabrad

From leavcast at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 17:40:42 2009
From: leavcast at gmail.com (George Castleberry)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:40:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] OT: Bicycle question
References: <e98d88090910161547l420d4b24t5305ef176c770fde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1DFADC4B4D1E4AE3AEDD3E36CB66C1A5@shinynewlaptop>

Brad,

You might try Dave Porter in Albuquerque.  He does Healey's and bikes....

He's fairly active on the big Healey list.

frogeye at porterscustom.com

George Castleberry
Flagstaff, AZ
54 AH100
59BE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Fornal" <tequila.brad at gmail.com>
To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>; "Yahoo Spridget list" 
<midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>; "Slobberbone" <slobberbone at yahoogroups.com>; 
"Drams Group" <TheDrams at yahoogroups.com>; <thedrams at googlegroups.com>; 
"Drive byTruckers" <dbts at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] OT: Bicycle question


>I know many of us have other hobbies, fixing up bicycles to resell is one 
>of
> mine. I am looking for someone that may know something about older bikes. 
> I
> picked up a Montgomery Ward Hawthorne ladies bike. It is almost perfect, 
> for
> what looks to be a 60's bike. I am looking to see what this may be worth,
> before listing it on Craigslist.
> If anyone has any information that they can share, or has a friend that
> would share, please hit me off list.
>
> -- 
> DON JULIO 1942
>
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From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 17:52:21 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:52:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] OT: Bicycle question
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910161547l420d4b24t5305ef176c770fde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e98d88090910161547l420d4b24t5305ef176c770fde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <234601.89855.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I restored many old bikes.  Now I'm working on MGs!  The ones that hold their value are Chicago Schwinn, Columbia, JCHiggins, Elgin, Harley Davidson (yes, 1913 I believe), etc.  You won't find much interest in the Montgomery Ward line, similar to Sears (I think they bought Columbia).  Ward's  probably bought out one of the major manufacturers and put their name on it.  Sorry to break the bad news!




________________________________
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Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 3:47:32 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] OT: Bicycle question

I know many of us have other hobbies, fixing up bicycles to resell is one of
mine. I am looking for someone that may know something about older bikes. I
picked up a Montgomery Ward Hawthorne ladies bike. It is almost perfect, for
what looks to be a 60's bike. I am looking to see what this may be worth,
before listing it on Craigslist.
If anyone has any information that they can share, or has a friend that
would share, please hit me off list.

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From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 20:11:38 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
Message-ID: <C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>

Good article Guy.

What I found interesting in there was that some of the shops are now using PVC tape instead of
rubber rim liners.

Is anyone on the list using PVC tape on their wire wheels?  Is anyone using duct tape?

I got a pretty good deal at Carlisle last year on everything needed to convert my Bugeye to wire wheels. 
I've blasted them and have them in primer & stowed, but pesently I have decent tires on my steel wheels and I'm not too 
confident of pulling those tires off and putting them on the wire wheels.

Also anyone know where to get the least exspensive tubes at?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guy R Day" <grday at btinternet.com>
> http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/wire-wheels-classic-cars/

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 20:19:22 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:19:22 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found
Message-ID: <252929EF3323441E830F730077F7BEC7@blackbox2>

http://tinyurl.com/yjseehb

Came tonight.  I'll put it in tomorrow and see how it goes.

This is the best price I could find for this type of pump.
The big auto part chains don't seem carry anything like this,.

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:54:28 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
	<C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <402188520910161954m1f0b681ak5d4b5fac6f0d466@mail.gmail.com>

> Is anyone on the list using PVC tape on their wire wheels?  Is anyone using
> duct tape?

Duct tape is never the best answer to any question. Occasionally it is
expedient, but sooner or later you will regret it. Not even very good
for ducts. Might be ok on ducks...
David L

From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 16 21:15:08 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:15:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
	<C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <4AD936BC.4040806@justbrits.com>

<<What I found interesting in there was that some of the shops are now 
using PVC tape instead of rubber rim liners. >>

It is a SPECIAL tape.

I forget, WHERE do you live ??

Me

From davriker at nwi.net  Fri Oct 16 21:33:52 2009
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:33:52 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net><9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
	<C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <0D620CD29B05407B8DA3BFAA602083BD@MAIN>

I have been using PVC tape over the spokes for over 10 years.  Works great, 
never had it cause a flat.  Replaced it when I replaced the tires.
David R.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Hedin" <dlh2001 at comcast.net>
To: "Guy R Day" <grday at btinternet.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels


> Good article Guy.
>
> What I found interesting in there was that some of the shops are now using 
> PVC tape instead of
> rubber rim liners.
>
> Is anyone on the list using PVC tape on their wire wheels?  Is anyone 
> using duct tape?

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Fri Oct 16 21:39:50 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:39:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <402188520910161954m1f0b681ak5d4b5fac6f0d466@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
	<C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
	<402188520910161954m1f0b681ak5d4b5fac6f0d466@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00BA297A48A04FDA8BB045DA853D33D1@Home>

I don't know anything about wire wheels.  But I recently repaired my rubber 
roof with special tape that would seem to be ideal.  It is 1 mm thick, 
smooth plastic or rubber on one side, and very thick and gooey adhesive on 
the other with a peel-off backing.  No name on the roll.  Check roofing 
supply stores.

Michael Rowe 

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 21:55:27 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:55:27 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net><9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b><C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
	<4AD936BC.4040806@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <DF54E34716B94C84BDBC53C071DE1D98@blackbox2>

Gee.. you mean it's special British wire wheel liner tape?

Oh yea, I can see it now.  That big sit down with Dow chemical engineers..

"We need a special tape for wire wheels. We would like to work with you on this..."    

 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" <sales at justbrits.com>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels


> <<What I found interesting in there was that some of the shops are now 
> using PVC tape instead of rubber rim liners. >>
> 
> It is a SPECIAL tape.
> 
> I forget, WHERE do you live ??

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 22:08:26 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <0D620CD29B05407B8DA3BFAA602083BD@MAIN>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com>
	<BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl>
	<4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
	<C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
	<0D620CD29B05407B8DA3BFAA602083BD@MAIN>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910162108x2da712e7x9072fe15044e939f@mail.gmail.com>

You can make a very useful and quality rim strap from a strip of inner tube
and some rubber cement. I've been doing this for many years rather than
buying the commercial rim straps. Go to your local tire store and ask them
for the tubes they are throwing out. Tons of them...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM, David Riker <davriker at nwi.net> wrote:

> I have been using PVC tape over the spokes for over 10 years.  Works great,
> never had it cause a flat.  Replaced it when I replaced the tires.
> David R.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" <dlh2001 at comcast.net>
> To: "Guy R Day" <grday at btinternet.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels
>
>
>  Good article Guy.
>>
>> What I found interesting in there was that some of the shops are now using
>> PVC tape instead of
>> rubber rim liners.
>>
>> Is anyone on the list using PVC tape on their wire wheels?  Is anyone
>> using duct tape?
>>
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not
sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct 17 03:19:00 2009
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Heat Shields
Message-ID: <d49b03130910170219m715c38cajf2dec038994dbac9@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to bomb the list, but I thought someone might know what kind of
material I could use to insulate a couple of heat shield brackets and hose
clamps on my Harley.  I just had two exhaust heat shields re-chromed because
they turned dark and splotched from the heat of my exhaust pipes.  There are
brackets welded to the back of curved sheet metal and hose clamps pass
through the brackets.  The hose clamps wrap around the exhaust pipes and
part of the bracket touches the pipe too.  The heat is transferred at these
clamps and brackets causing the problem.  Does anyone know of a high temp
gasket material I could put under the hose clamps to stop the heat
transfer?  Re-chroming is expensive!
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
56 BN2

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sat Oct 17 04:52:04 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:52:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
	<C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <E0EAD973-96DB-4A29-B53C-3ADFE69F72E0@phillymgclub.com>

Pet Peeve Warning!!

You folks go on and on about brakes this and brakes that. Then run out and get
cheap tires and cheap tubes. Well those F@%KING brakes don't do shit if the
tires fail or slide.

It is my not so humble opinion that that contact patch is the most important
spot on the car. If you get no traction cuz you got cheap ass tires you no go
and you no stop. I don't give a rats ass how great or new your brake
lines/pads etc are, if the wheel stops turning and the tire slides and or
ruptures you are not going to stop. Period.

Buy real tires, not the cheapest ones on the TireRack.

Larry

On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Dean Hedin wrote:

> Also anyone know where to get the least exspensive tubes at?

--

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a parked car.

From grday at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 17 04:57:54 2009
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:57:54 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net>
	<9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b>
	<C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <9491FFF164B84F99A3106201AA22AE29@user8634b3d69b>

Ordinary sticky back PVC / electricians tape would not be a first choice, 
simply because if it is in place for more than 6 months or so is always has 
a sticky mess either at the tape edges or left on what it was stuck to. 
Perhaps the non-sticky PVC tape (wiring loom wrap) may be OK but given a 
choice perhaps a couple of layers of cloth strip would be better.  It does 
not impede air flow, will help to disperse the inevitable moisture gain and 
will not go brittle.  Making sure the spokes are not proud of the nipples is 
another thing and spending a few minutes with a file to smooth them off 
first should be worth the effort.

Guy R Day


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Hedin" <dlh2001 at comcast.net>
To: "Guy R Day" <grday at btinternet.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] wire wheels


> Good article Guy.
>
> What I found interesting in there was that some of the shops are now using 
> PVC tape instead of
> rubber rim liners.
>
> Is anyone on the list using PVC tape on their wire wheels?  Is anyone 
> using d
uct tape?
>
> I got a pretty good deal at Carlisle last year on everything needed to 
> convert my Bugeye to wire wheels. I've blasted them and have them in 
> primer & stowed, but pesently I have decent tires on my steel wheels and 
> I'm not too confident of pulling those tires off and putting them on the 
> wire wheels.
>
> Also anyone know where to get the least exspensive tubes at?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Guy R Day" <grday at btinternet.com>
>> http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/wire-wheels-classic-cars/

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 06:13:53 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:13:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Heat Shields
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130910170219m715c38cajf2dec038994dbac9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <360048.50111.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Look for stuff called "Min K" or Kaowool. It's a wool-like, but a tiny layer
of it will be all you need. I'd goog it for u but am on a mobile (not while
driving!). You may be able to get a sample from a supplier thqt will be all
you need.

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com
<rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote:

> From: rrengineer @dslextreme.com
<rrengineer at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Heat Shields
> To:
"Spridget" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:19
AM
> Sorry to bomb the list, but I thought
> someone might know what kind of
>
material I could use to insulate a couple of heat shield
> brackets and hose
>
clamps on my Harley.  I just had two exhaust heat
> shields re-chromed because
> they turned dark and splotched from the heat of my exhaust
> pipes.  There
are
> brackets welded to the back of curved sheet metal and hose
> clamps pass
> through the brackets.  The hose clamps wrap around the
> exhaust pipes and
>
part of the bracket touches the pipe too.  The heat is
> transferred at these
> clamps and brackets causing the problem.  Does anyone
> know of a high temp
> gasket material I could put under the hose clamps to stop
> the heat
>
transfer?  Re-chroming is expensive!
> Mike MacLean
> 60 Sprite
> 56 BN2
>
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sat Oct 17 06:37:55 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:37:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Heat Shields
In-Reply-To: <360048.50111.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <d49b03130910170219m715c38cajf2dec038994dbac9@mail.gmail.com>
	<360048.50111.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9A5173FF98104769BE5F18EA83C08CA9@spider>

http://www.thermalmaxinc.com/page3.html
...bill in oregon
==============================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:14 AM
To: Spridget; rrengineer @dslextreme.com
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC - Heat Shields

Look for stuff called "Min K" or Kaowool. It's a wool-like, but a tiny layer
of it will be all you need. I'd goog it for u but am on a mobile (not while
driving!). You may be able to get a sample from a supplier thqt will be all
you need.

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com
<rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote:

> From: rrengineer @dslextreme.com
<rrengineer at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Heat Shields
> To:
"Spridget" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:19
AM
> Sorry to bomb the list, but I thought
> someone might know what kind of
>
material I could use to insulate a couple of heat shield
> brackets and hose
>
clamps on my Harley.  I just had two exhaust heat
> shields re-chromed because
> they turned dark and splotched from the heat of my exhaust
> pipes.  There
are
> brackets welded to the back of curved sheet metal and hose
> clamps pass
> through the brackets.  The hose clamps wrap around the
> exhaust pipes and
>
part of the bracket touches the pipe too.  The heat is
> transferred at these
> clamps and brackets causing the problem.  Does anyone
> know of a high temp
> gasket material I could put under the hose clamps to stop
> the heat
>
transfer?  Re-chroming is expensive!
> Mike MacLean
> 60 Sprite
> 56 BN2
>
_______________________________________________

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:03:42 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:03:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found
In-Reply-To: <252929EF3323441E830F730077F7BEC7@blackbox2>
References: <252929EF3323441E830F730077F7BEC7@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <205cef430910170603n2840a74axc7c4eac9bf2722d9@mail.gmail.com>

Keep us posted I'm getting an extra for my trunk (boot) : )
Lin
PS Where was it made I emailed the seller too.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Dean Hedin <dlh2001 at comcast.net> wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/yjseehb
>
> Came tonight.  I'll put it in tomorrow and see how it goes.
>
> This is the best price I could find for this type of pump.
> The big auto part chains don't seem carry anything like this,.
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:23:58 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:23:58 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye hardtops fit squire body Sprites?
Message-ID: <205cef430910170623rd257e34h39a5f2735e29dde1@mail.gmail.com>

List I had emailed the Bugeyeguy from CT who sells LBS & parts frequiently
on eBay who is selling a Bugeye hardtop and he said  that the factory Bugeye
hardtop fits square bodies (62-63). I did not know that and I need to see it
to believe it. Is this really true?
Lin

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:31:04 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a
 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home
Message-ID: <205cef430910170631v5dcb8a52rad69538657d35bb6@mail.gmail.com>

No way did she really do this? Way way too cool.....you go girl.....
" Per her wishes, *Mims*' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a
1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home in McMurray,
Beinhauer said Sunday."

Did anyone go? Does anyone have photos of the funeral procession of 60
Vetts? And her in the Vett?

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12B4C29CD2E67C58&p_docnum=1
RIP Donna Mae
Lin

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sat Oct 17 08:16:02 2009
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:16:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye hardtops fit squire body Sprites?
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910170623rd257e34h39a5f2735e29dde1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910170623rd257e34h39a5f2735e29dde1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <186736611.20091017071602@pacifier.com>

Hello Linda,

     While never having actually witnessed it, that is my
     understanding. That is the same top(s) that fit the BE also fit
     the MK II Sprite/MK I Midget...

     Someone who's done it?

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at. 

From billmasq at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 17 09:16:37 2009
From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:16:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye hardtops fit squire body Sprites?
In-Reply-To: <186736611.20091017071602@pacifier.com>
References: <205cef430910170623rd257e34h39a5f2735e29dde1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W4E42B2BFAF69C49FDA9E6CAC30@phx.gbl>

Yes- they fit, but only a "longer" Bugeye hardtop. There are shorter ones but
the factory styles fit both.
The Bugeye one is "rounder" and the MkII one is "flatter" and don't really
match the styling of the opposites but they DO fit.
I have done both switches.
BillM

> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:16:02 -0700
> From: pythias at pacifier.com
> To: grunthaner at gmail.com
> CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye hardtops fit squire body Sprites?
>
> Hello Linda,
>
>      While never having actually witnessed it, that is my
>      understanding. That is the same top(s) that fit the BE also fit
>      the MK II Sprite/MK I Midget...
>
>      Someone who's done it?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>
>  '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
>
>   90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.
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From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 10:48:14 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of
 a 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910170631v5dcb8a52rad69538657d35bb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <860849.18898.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Pittsburgh must be the "alternative" funeral capital.  Remember the Steeler's
fan rockin' his team gear while sitting in his recliner watching looped
Steelers games on television a few years back:

http://www.wpxi.com/news/4690146/detail.html

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a 1979
pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home
To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:31 AM

No way did she really do this? Way way too cool.....you go girl.....
" Per her wishes, *Mims*' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a
1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home in McMurray,
Beinhauer said Sunday."

Did anyone go? Does anyone have photos of the funeral procession of 60
Vetts? And her in the Vett?

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12B4C29CD2E
67C58&p_docnum=1
RIP Donna Mae
Lin
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From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 11:28:02 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of
 a 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home
In-Reply-To: <860849.18898.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <205cef430910170631v5dcb8a52rad69538657d35bb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<860849.18898.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910171028v610c76b9nb15d6cbd172107fb@mail.gmail.com>

> Pittsburgh must be the "alternative" funeral capital.  Remember the
Steeler's
> fan rockin' his team gear while sitting in his recliner watching looped
> Steelers games on television a few years back:

So how were they sure he was dead?
David L

From cbaustin at verizon.net  Sat Oct 17 12:56:17 2009
From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:56:17 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Steelers fan
References: <205cef430910170631v5dcb8a52rad69538657d35bb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<860849.18898.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<402188520910171028v610c76b9nb15d6cbd172107fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0BF127FD0A504C2BB2548144400BAD6D@universal1>

            "So how were they sure he was dead?"

    He had fallen forward into his Primanti's sandwich and spilled Iron City
beer on his Terrible Towel, 'an 'at.

                                                                             
   CB

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 14:28:06 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:28:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Steelers fan
In-Reply-To: <0BF127FD0A504C2BB2548144400BAD6D@universal1>
Message-ID: <913284.76250.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yins crack me up!

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Charley Braum <cbaustin at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Charley Braum <cbaustin at verizon.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Steelers fan
To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 2:56 PM

            "So how were they sure he was dead?"

    He had fallen forward into his Primanti's sandwich and spilled Iron City
beer on his Terrible Towel, 'an 'at.

                                                                             
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From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sat Oct 17 15:09:55 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:09:55 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
Message-ID: <c88.52e08782.380b8ca3@aol.com>

Don't have either in my Sprite!
 
n a message dated 16/10/2009 16:06:06 GMT Daylight Time,  
neilandcustom at gmail.com writes:

adjusting the radio or heater 

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sat Oct 17 15:15:55 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:15:55 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
Message-ID: <d46.4857268c.380b8e0b@aol.com>

It's rate that I'm driving with a passenger and rarer still to be talking  
to them in my Sprite but on family holidays in a hire car (what you call a  
rental car) I do talk to my family.  My experience though is that if I'm  
driving quickly (the Sprite) or have some difficult traffic/navigation/other 
in  the hire car I automatically stop speaking, even mid sentence.  I guess 
my  brain tells my mouth to shut up and focus 100% on the driving.
 
Of course I can swear at other idiot drivers at the most difficult of times 
 - more of a reflex response I guess?
 
Regards
 
 
Daniel1312
 
 
 
In a message dated 16/10/2009 18:00:36 GMT Daylight Time,  
bmwwxman at gmail.com writes:

You hit  on the idea below.  If you are talking
on the phone your full  attention is NOT on driving. I agree it is the same
thing to be gabbing  with a passenger

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 15:42:17 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:42:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Karen Hardy Re:  Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <bca.5977c253.380b92bf@aol.com>
References: <bca.5977c253.380b92bf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910171442y42bcce38mb3e838d47c2a5fa9@mail.gmail.com>

>> Yup. Outlaw Karen Hardy as a passenger!

> Who is she?

A Brit. Did you break Google?
David L

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Sat Oct 17 15:43:07 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:43:07 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hang up and drive, Pt 4
In-Reply-To: <d46.4857268c.380b8e0b@aol.com>
References: <d46.4857268c.380b8e0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W19B7941A0DBFEB6320B32BB8C30@phx.gbl>

Same here.  The conversation goes dead ... except instead of swearing I'm
usually talking to the other driver saying something like "Don't do it!" when
anticipating a bonehead move.



RD

> From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com

> My experience though is that if I'm
> driving quickly (the Sprite) or have some difficult traffic/navigation/other
> in the hire car I automatically stop speaking, even mid sentence. I guess
> my brain tells my mouth to shut up and focus 100% on the driving.
>
> Of course I can swear at other idiot drivers at the most difficult of times
> - more of a reflex response I guess?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Daniel1312

From sales at justbrits.com  Sat Oct 17 16:01:23 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <DF54E34716B94C84BDBC53C071DE1D98@blackbox2>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net><9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b><C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
	<4AD936BC.4040806@justbrits.com>
	<DF54E34716B94C84BDBC53C071DE1D98@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <4ADA3EB3.8050700@justbrits.com>

<< Gee.. you mean it's special British wire wheel liner tape? >>

No, Dean.  However a goodly number of years ago
a couple of the majors players in the WW field did
some serious research into the problem of Radial
Tube available and the general use of tubes.  They
DID come up with ONE existing (3M IIRC) tape
that will not nor does not 'abrade' tubes and all
have been using it ever since.

So go ahead a do the MGers type thing;  go the
absolute cheapest route and use duct tape
whatever.  It's hopefully only your body or life.

Ed

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 16:50:15 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <4AD7DA96.17957.11C657B@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <c34.6253ee24.3808d656@aol.com>,
	<319903.59265.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4AD7DA96.17957.11C657B@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <394222.38608.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I need to get with Rich to determine the timing characteristics.  I don't have a light (but will soon after this).  I do recall the timing was "Jittery" when BillM and I set it.  It seemed to bounce around a lot.  We'll get the light on it soon and report back.  Thanks for all the help, guys.

Edward




________________________________
From: Dave G. <kk7ss at verizon.net>
To: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>; spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 7:29:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...

Fronm a recent personal experience...
Does it run better if you retard the timing about 5 degrees??

On 15 Oct 2009 at 18:26, Edward Perez wrote:

>> OK, coil has been eliminated as the cause.  I just put the new Bosch
>> Blue in and absolutely no change to the situation.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS  Richland, WA
'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 19:56:18 2009
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:56:18 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <4ADA3EB3.8050700@justbrits.com>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net><9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b><C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
	<4AD936BC.4040806@justbrits.com>
	<DF54E34716B94C84BDBC53C071DE1D98@blackbox2>
	<4ADA3EB3.8050700@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <4ADA75C2.2070000@cox.net>

Sales at " Just Brits " wrote:
> << Gee.. you mean it's special British wire wheel liner tape? >>
>
> No, Dean.  However a goodly number of years ago
> a couple of the majors players in the WW field did
> some serious research into the problem of Radial
> Tube available and the general use of tubes.  They
> DID come up with ONE existing (3M IIRC) tape
> that will not nor does not 'abrade' tubes and all
> have been using it ever since.
>
> So go ahead a do the MGers type thing;  go the
> absolute cheapest route and use duct tape
> whatever.  It's hopefully only your body or life.
Actually no, British Wire Wheel told me to use 10 mil PVC plumber's 
tape. We followed their advice, and I haven't had a flat due to tube 
abrasion since then.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

From sales at justbrits.com  Sat Oct 17 21:15:08 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:15:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <4ADA75C2.2070000@cox.net>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net><9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b><C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
	<4AD936BC.4040806@justbrits.com>
	<DF54E34716B94C84BDBC53C071DE1D98@blackbox2>
	<4ADA3EB3.8050700@justbrits.com> <4ADA75C2.2070000@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4ADA883C.5010106@justbrits.com>

<< Actually no, British Wire Wheel told me to use 10 mil PVC
plumber's tape. We followed their advice, and I haven't had a flat
due to tube abrasion since then. >>

Are you sure they didn't specify WHICH one to use,
David ??

They WERE the one's that DID come with the correct
solution(s) IIRC.

Ed

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 21:43:58 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: idgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <4ADA64B3.5020503@justbrits.com>
References: <c34.6253ee24.3808d656@aol.com>,
	<319903.59265.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4AD7DA96.17957.11C657B@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<394222.38608.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ADA64B3.5020503@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <62008.32133.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

you know, Ed... I have been convinced by this experience that "haste makes waste"  I really wanted this drive-able this summer.  This was intended to be a "getaway" for my wife and I.  We have two very young, demanding, kids that we adore, but do need our time away.  I had hoped that this little car would be our wine country tourer this summer.  It did not work out.  I do not regret the investment so far.  The biggest waste of time and money came prior to knowing about forums like this and the BCF.  Now that I know you guys, I hope you will keep me in check and keep me motivated.  I also do not feel that I have "over-spent" much at all considering the expectation and the payoff.  Insults like that only de-motivate me.




________________________________
From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" <sales at justbrits.com>
To: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 5:43:31 PM
Subject: Re: idgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...

 Ed:

<< I don't have a light (but
will soon after this).>>

Although and for YEARS <G> I have do wanted/want 
the Snap-On [ basically an All-In-One unit ] about 35 
- 40 years ago (the one I had crapped - money was 
snug -) so I bought a Craftsman [ chrome metal case ] 
which had a knob on the 'wrong end of the barrel' to 
re-set timing advance and I am STILL using it.  And I 
have used on both Pos & Neg Grd cars.  It is the  ONLY 
'tool' I would/will EVER buy again from Sears.  I HAVE 
[ oops ] dropped it and it still just keeps on ticking !!!

I would guess it would be around $80.00 today BUT it has
served mt EXTREMELY well and therefore I DO recom-
mend it.

If you NEED me to look up on Sears site I will but rather
YOU spend the time and then send me a link and I will
confirm what you find is the same item.  <V V V B G>

Me

PS:  And I wonder just HOW much money you have OVER-
spent because yer in such a "hurry" <G> ?!?!?

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 22:26:13 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:26:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found
References: <252929EF3323441E830F730077F7BEC7@blackbox2>
	<205cef430910170603n2840a74axc7c4eac9bf2722d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488D86CE720240C5B8D4881868D70D6B@blackbox2>

The pump went in fine today.  The specs advertise up to 22 psi
but I think that is overrated.   It seems to draw only an amp or so,
and by the chart in the ebay ad that comes out to around 4-5 psi.

In any case, I have a fuel pressure regulator by the carbs and 
I did not notice any leaking out the float vents.

I might do a little more sound isolation with the mounting.
I can definetly tolerate the wizz as opposed to the Purolator 
thumping.

The box indicates that it is made in Texas.
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Linda Grunthaner 
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found


Keep us posted I'm getting an extra for my trunk (boot) : )
Lin
PS Where was it made I emailed the seller too.


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Dean Hedin <dlh2001 at comcast.net> wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/yjseehb

Came tonight.  I'll put it in tomorrow and see how it goes.

This is the best price I could find for this type of pump.
The big auto part chains don't seem carry anything like this,.

From pilotrob at msn.com  Sun Oct 18 07:11:09 2009
From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:11:09 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] ONLINE LOTTERY WINNER
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-029269DD3FE86B99F3F93C4D4C20@phx.gbl>

".........and, having been a faithful Haig & Haig abuser for many moons, God
has decided to bless you with good fortune accordingly....! :)

CB


-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Powell
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:11 AM
To: noreply at winners.co.uk
Subject: ONLINE LOTTERY WINNER



 THE E-LOTTERY SYNDICATE
 UK  OFFICE
 United Kingdom Office,
 7 West End Avenue, Gatley,
 Cheadle,  Cheshire, SK8 4DR, UK.
 Draw Date: 16-10-2009    Dear Winner,     Notification of Winning
 We are pleased to  announce you as one of our lucky 10(Ten) Winners
in the E-Lottery draw held on  Friday 16th October 2009. All 10
winning addresses were randonly selected from a  batch of 50,000,000
international emails.Your emails address emerged alongside 9  others
as a category 2 winner in this year's Annual E-Lottery Draw.
 Consequently, you  have therefore been approved for a total pay out
of B#873,804.00 (Eight Hundred  and Seventy-Three Thousand Eight
Hundred and Four British Pounds Sterling only).  The following
particulars are attached to your lotto payment order:
 (i)  Winning Numbers: 01-06-08-14-17-32bBB 12
 (ii) Email ticket number;  EL754/22/76
 (iii) Lotto Code Number: EL09622UK
 (iv) Ref Number:  EL/08/736207147/UK
 Please contact the under listed Fiduciary Agent as soon  as possible
for the immediate release of your winnings:    Mr. James Louis
 Client  Service Manager
 Carlson & Associates U.K
 (Event Managers &  Consultants)
 TEL: 00(44) 702-402-6642
 EMAIL: carlass.jameslouis at btinternet.com   N.B: Winnings not
acknowledged and claimed within one week of notification will be
void.     Please when contacting  the Claims Officer quote your
Winning Numbers, Batch numbers and Ref Number, via  email, to process
the immediate payment of your prize.    Once again on behalf of  all
our staff, CONGRATULATIONS!!!    Sincerely,
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-------------------------
Message sent via TelecomPlusMail - http://webmail.uwclub.net/

From abcoz at hky.com  Sun Oct 18 08:26:45 2009
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:26:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of
 a 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910170631v5dcb8a52rad69538657d35bb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910170631v5dcb8a52rad69538657d35bb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5E95F34F0EF48BF9780176256240C91@OwnerPC>

Lin,
Yes, she did it.  I didn't attend, but I have friends who did.  Haven't seen 
any photos of the procession, but the Washington (PA) Observer-Reporter 
(www.observer-reporter.com) published a photo of the Corvette in the funeral 
home, along with a few quotes from the funeral home operator.  As I 
mentioned, previously, I'll get a copy of the Steel Cities Drift (local SCCA 
region's newsletter) and see if I can send the article & photos to Spridget 
Talk.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Grunthaner" <grunthaner at gmail.com>
To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a 
1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home


> No way did she really do this? Way way too cool.....you go girl.....
> " Per her wishes, *Mims*' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a
> 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home in McMurray,
> Beinhauer said Sunday."
>
> Did anyone go? Does anyone have photos of the funeral procession of 60
> Vetts? And her in the Vett?
>
> http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12B4C29CD2E67C58&p_docnum=1
> RIP Donna Mae
> Lin

From abcoz at hky.com  Sun Oct 18 08:42:31 2009
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:42:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Steelers fan
In-Reply-To: <913284.76250.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <913284.76250.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34C1B7273A194BB68516502B9B35E8CB@OwnerPC>

Depending on what part of the Pittsburgh region you're from, it's YINZ or 
YOUNS........unless youns are just jaggin me by mis-spelling it.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "HealeyRick" <healeyrick at yahoo.com>
To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>; "Charley Braum" 
<cbaustin at verizon.net>
Cc: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Steelers fan


> Yins crack me up!
>
> --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Charley Braum <cbaustin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Charley Braum <cbaustin at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Spridgets] Steelers fan
> To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 2:56 PM
>
>            "So how were they sure he was dead?"
>
>    He had fallen forward into his Primanti's sandwich and spilled Iron 
> City
> beer on his Terrible Towel, 'an 'at.
>
>
>   CB

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 18 08:56:59 2009
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:56:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye on Ebay with Trunk
Message-ID: <BLU103-W25296FD0B3A9CFB2647B13C2C20@phx.gbl>

Cheap too..

http://tinyurl.com/yk2sqrg


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Austin-Healey-Bugeye-Sprite_W0QQitemZ140351801
622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSalvage_Parts_Cars?hash=item20ad9e8916

Ends soon!


Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!


_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

From jfishbein at snet.net  Sun Oct 18 09:27:25 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:27:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye on Ebay with Trunk
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W25296FD0B3A9CFB2647B13C2C20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <871592.16799.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

A lovely example of old-world craftsmanship.
 
jay fishbein
wallingford, ct

--- On Sun, 10/18/09, brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye on Ebay with Trunk
To: "spridgets list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 10:56 AM


Cheap too..

http://tinyurl.com/yk2sqrg

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 09:40:12 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Steelers fan
In-Reply-To: <34C1B7273A194BB68516502B9B35E8CB@OwnerPC>
References: <913284.76250.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<34C1B7273A194BB68516502B9B35E8CB@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910180840i768e38b1td31587739d93f388@mail.gmail.com>

Bud,

I don't mean to deflate your "Pittsburgian" balloon but ....

I lived right along the New York Pennsylvania border while going to High
School (Owego, NY).  Everyone around those parts also used "youns" so its
not specific to Pittsburgh..    ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

> Depending on what part of the Pittsburgh region you're from, it's YINZ or
> YOUNS........unless youns are just jaggin me by mis-spelling it.
> Bud Osbourne

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 11:03:15 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Postings
Message-ID: <402188520910181003oe466f55pb170a53159373421@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't it interesting how some people post here to be helpful and
others post to impress?
David L

From joe.migujka at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 11:44:12 2009
From: joe.migujka at gmail.com (Joe Migujka)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Postings
In-Reply-To: <402188520910181003oe466f55pb170a53159373421@mail.gmail.com>
References: <402188520910181003oe466f55pb170a53159373421@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <791c73390910181044t34dcdb03k94976a2e76078bca@mail.gmail.com>

Which category does your post fall into??

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't it interesting how some people post here to be helpful and
> others post to impress?
> David L
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> You are subscribed as joe.migujka at gmail.com
>
> http://www.team.net/archive
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Sun Oct 18 11:46:17 2009
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:46:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <4ADA883C.5010106@justbrits.com>
References: <c40.691d43d4.380647c1@aol.com><BAY127-W18511B65F81A1641BC3B8AFC70@phx.gbl><4AD52562.9070901@comcast.net><9807FD1528D5480CBD2194AF9AA1E487@user8634b3d69b><C78A5EC1C229467E92F161E042FCBB42@blackbox2>
	<4AD936BC.4040806@justbrits.com>
	<DF54E34716B94C84BDBC53C071DE1D98@blackbox2>
	<4ADA3EB3.8050700@justbrits.com> <4ADA75C2.2070000@cox.net>
	<4ADA883C.5010106@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <4ADB5469.7040803@cox.net>

Sales at " Just Brits " wrote:
> << Actually no, British Wire Wheel told me to use 10 mil PVC
> plumber's tape. We followed their advice, and I haven't had a flat
> due to tube abrasion since then. >>
>
> Are you sure they didn't specify WHICH one to use,
> David ??
At the time, no. That was 25 years ago, and it might not have mattered 
then. At the time, the correct bands were nearly impossible to get, so 
we used the tape. I have the roll of plumber's tape we used, and it's 
still good. They told me to use two layers. I passed the instructions 
and the tape to the tire shop, and they mounted the tire with no 
problems since. Before then, we'd been losing a tube every few months.

I totally agree that duct tape is worthless in this application. BWW 
said the same thing. It doesn't cushion, and the adhesive degrades over 
time, turning to powder. That isn't a unique characteristic of the 
imported tape either.

My local Big-O says they can get the correct rubber tire bands, so 
that's what we'll use when I put on new tires.

Cheers,
Dave

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 18 11:51:26 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 20 years ago today
Message-ID: <4ADB559E.6000308@comcast.net>

7 guys decided to form a British car club known as The Positive Earth 
Drivers Club.
Well this past weekend, 6 of the 7 founding members and their spouses 
spent the weekend down in Cape May, NJ.
It was a classic car club weekend.
Northeast storm hammering away at the beaches, wind, rain, whiskey, 
wine, beer, and cars.
6 couples who met 20 years ago with British cars who have become life 
long friends.
Great food, and old victorian house, lots of booze, stories, and even 
some car related videos like the Italian Job and the 1954 Fast and Furious.
No jap cars in that flick ;)
We had such a good time we think it will become an annual event.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From cbaustin at verizon.net  Sun Oct 18 11:52:00 2009
From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:52:00 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Postings
References: <402188520910181003oe466f55pb170a53159373421@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <744CBF249A9A44DC9DE36D26922B44EB@universal1>

    And isn't it interesting to note how many post here just to (try to) be
interesting??

                                                                        CB

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 18 12:00:55 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:00:55 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] OT: Bicycle question
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910161547l420d4b24t5305ef176c770fde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e98d88090910161547l420d4b24t5305ef176c770fde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADB57D7.1060706@comcast.net>

Brad Fornal wrote:
> I know many of us have other hobbies, fixing up bicycles to resell is one of
> mine. 
I just got into old Bikes too.
I started with a Murray chain drive tricycle, then a Schwinn, now  a 
B.F. Goodrich (Schwinn Built)
Not that I sold or will sell them, but it is a nice quick project and 
other than tires, you don't have to spend any money on them.
A bit of paint, grease all the bearings, powder coat all the parts and 
pedal around town.
I have a mens & ladies BF Goodrich matched pair from the late 40s or 
early 50s.
Diane & I have new, make that *better* bicycles now ;)
And made in the USA including all the parts, even the fender mounted 
head lights.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 12:10:29 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:10:29 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
Message-ID: <c3f.5a92d1a7.380cb415@aol.com>

So this is still a Lucas electronic DM series that won't run properly  
without the ignition amplifier it's designed to work with and isn't  fitted?  Or 
is it not a Lucas electronic DM series distributor but the  notoriously 
unrelieable Lucas electronic DE series distributor with a built in  amplifier?
 
Enquiring minds want to know.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 17/10/2009 23:56:07 GMT Daylight Time, eap2140 at yahoo.com 
 writes:

I need  to get with Rich to determine the timing characteristics.  I don't 
have a  light (but will soon after this).  I do recall the timing was 
"Jittery"  when BillM and I set it.  It seemed to bounce around a lot.  We'll  get 
the light on it soon and report back.  Thanks for all the help,  guys.

Edward

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 12:13:15 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:13:15 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] ONLINE LOTTERY WINNER
Message-ID: <c3f.5a92dcd2.380cb4bb@aol.com>

Hey Cap'n,

I collect your winnngs persononally if you send me a modest #5K up front. I
 mean Cheadle's only about an hour or so away.

Weslake-Monza 1330

In a message dated 18/10/2009 14:14:48 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com
writes:

".........and, having been a faithful Haig & Haig abuser for many  moons,
God
has decided to bless you with good fortune accordingly....!  :)

CB


-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy  Powell
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:11 AM
To:  noreply at winners.co.uk
Subject: ONLINE LOTTERY WINNER



THE  E-LOTTERY SYNDICATE
UK  OFFICE
United Kingdom Office,
7 West End  Avenue, Gatley,
Cheadle,  Cheshire, SK8 4DR, UK.
Draw Date:  16-10-2009    Dear Winner,     Notification of  Winning
We are pleased to  announce you as one of our lucky 10(Ten)  Winners
in the E-Lottery draw held on  Friday 16th October 2009. All  10
winning addresses were randonly selected from a  batch of  50,000,000
international emails.Your emails address emerged alongside  9  others
as a category 2 winner in this year's Annual E-Lottery  Draw.
Consequently, you  have therefore been approved for a total pay  out
of B#873,804.00 (Eight Hundred  and Seventy-Three Thousand  Eight
Hundred and Four British Pounds Sterling only).  The  following
particulars are attached to your lotto payment  order:
(i)  Winning Numbers: 01-06-08-14-17-32bBB 12
(ii) Email  ticket number;  EL754/22/76
(iii) Lotto Code Number: EL09622UK
(iv)  Ref Number:  EL/08/736207147/UK
Please contact the under listed  Fiduciary Agent as soon  as possible
for the immediate release of your  winnings:    Mr. James Louis
Client  Service  Manager
Carlson & Associates U.K
(Event Managers &   Consultants)
TEL: 00(44) 702-402-6642
EMAIL:  carlass.jameslouis at btinternet.com   N.B: Winnings  not
acknowledged and claimed within one week of notification will  be
void.     Please when contacting  the Claims Officer  quote your
Winning Numbers, Batch numbers and Ref Number, via  email,  to process
the immediate payment of your prize.    Once again on  behalf of  all
our staff, CONGRATULATIONS!!!     Sincerely,
Nancy  Powell (Mrs.)
Promotion Manager
The E-Lottery  Company
UK & Europe.     NOTE: ALL  RESPONSE SHOULD  BE FORWARDED DIRECTLY TO

From pilotrob at msn.com  Sun Oct 18 12:15:09 2009
From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:15:09 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] ONLINE LOTTERY WINNER
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-02588C8D0041EB9C526B46ED4C20@phx.gbl>

"Cheadle's"

LOL, Daniel..... :):)

I can't believe anyone can possibly take this stuff seriously. Unbeeleeevable.
:):)

CB

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 15:24:01 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...
In-Reply-To: <c3f.5a92d1a7.380cb415@aol.com>
References: <c3f.5a92d1a7.380cb415@aol.com>
Message-ID: <168042.82124.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not sure... I'll let you know what I find on Tuesday (it's car nite).




________________________________
From: "WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com" <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com>
To: eap2140 at yahoo.com; kk7ss at verizon.net
Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 11:10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 45DM4 Re:  still no workie...

So this is still a Lucas electronic DM series that won't run properly 
without the ignition amplifier it's designed to work with and isn't 
fitted?  Or is it not a Lucas electronic DM series distributor but the 
notoriously unrelieable Lucas electronic DE series distributor with a built in 
amplifier?
 
Enquiring minds want to know.
 
Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 17/10/2009 23:56:07 GMT Daylight Time, eap2140 at yahoo.com 
writes:
I need 
>  to get with Rich to determine the timing characteristics.  I don't have a 
>  light (but will soon after this).  I do recall the timing was "Jittery" 
>  when BillM and I set it.  It seemed to bounce around a lot.  We'll 
>  get the light on it soon and report back.  Thanks for all the help, 
>  guys.
>
>Edward

From sales at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 18 15:43:09 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] [Fwd: Re: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Bugeye Flower Bed]
Message-ID: <4ADB8BED.2000300@justbrits.com>

What a WASTE !!!!!!

<quote>
Hey Guys, Someone in Kentucky is using a Bugeye for a flower bed.

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM50E1_Bugeye_Sprite 

<http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM50E1_Bugeye_Sprite>
</quote>

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 16:01:31 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:01:31 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] ONLINE LOTTERY WINNER
In-Reply-To: <c3f.5a92dcd2.380cb4bb@aol.com>
References: <c3f.5a92dcd2.380cb4bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910181501m7aa1be8fvcfe26dc1261438ed@mail.gmail.com>

Cheshire?   As in the Cheshire Cat??  There seem to be a lot of imaginary
things going on in Cheshire....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, <WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com> wrote:

> Hey Cap'n,
>
> I collect your winnngs persononally if you send me a modest #5K up front. I
>  mean Cheadle's only about an hour or so away.
>
> Weslake-Monza 1330
>
> In a message dated 18/10/2009 14:14:48 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com
> writes:
>
> ".........and, having been a faithful Haig & Haig abuser for many  moons,
> God
> has decided to bless you with good fortune accordingly....!  :)
>
> CB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy  Powell
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:11 AM
> To:  noreply at winners.co.uk
> Subject: ONLINE LOTTERY WINNER
>
>
>
> THE  E-LOTTERY SYNDICATE
> UK  OFFICE
> United Kingdom Office,
> 7 West End  Avenue, Gatley,
> Cheadle,  Cheshire, SK8 4DR, UK.
> Draw Date:  16-10-2009    Dear Winner,     Notification of  Winning
> We are pleased to  announce you as one of our lucky 10(Ten)  Winners
> in the E-Lottery draw held on  Friday 16th October 2009. All  10
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> as a category 2 winner in this year's Annual E-Lottery  Draw.
> Consequently, you  have therefore been approved for a total pay  out
> of B#873,804.00 (Eight Hundred  and Seventy-Three Thousand  Eight
> Hundred and Four British Pounds Sterling only).  The  following
> particulars are attached to your lotto payment  order:
> (i)  Winning Numbers: 01-06-08-14-17-32b BB 12
> (ii) Email  ticket number;  EL754/22/76
> (iii) Lotto Code Number: EL09622UK
> (iv)  Ref Number:  EL/08/736207147/UK
> Please contact the under listed  Fiduciary Agent as soon  as possible
> for the immediate release of your  winnings:    Mr. James Louis
> Client  Service  Manager
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> TEL: 00(44) 702-402-6642
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From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 17:58:53 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?
Message-ID: <439625.69051.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Will a '78 280Z tranny work in an MG?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pts/1420843008.html

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 18:05:56 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Reid - Runoffs Form Ford race on Speedcasttv
Message-ID: <335382.9969.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

www.speedcasttv.com now has the Runoffs Formula Ford race up "On Demand". My friend Reid Hazelton's storm from 16th to 6th get s lot of air time starting at about time 18:30. Elliot Forbes Robinson and CO. are amazed when they realize his car is 17 years old! This race also features one of the more amazing finishes you;ll see with the 2 front runners hooking up on turn 14 and DNF'ing.

Ron

From eap2140 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 18:40:04 2009
From: eap2140 at yahoo.com (Edward Perez)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?
In-Reply-To: <439625.69051.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <439625.69051.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98849.85843.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Or do these mate up to the MGB?




________________________________
From: Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com>
To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 4:58:53 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?

Will a '78 280Z tranny work in an MG?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pts/1420843008.html
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From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 18:54:24 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:54:24 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?
In-Reply-To: <439625.69051.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <439625.69051.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910181754s3f9cdb18r77b91e4dd79363ba@mail.gmail.com>

> Will a '78 280Z tranny work in an MG?

In an MGB, Yes. Rivergate makes a kit for it. I saw the prototype in a
car and it was very clean.
David L

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 19:06:41 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:06:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?
In-Reply-To: <98849.85843.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <439625.69051.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<98849.85843.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910181806j4cb164dftf43fc3ab8ee5046a@mail.gmail.com>

> Or do these mate up to the MGB?

Yes. http://rivergate5speed.com/mgb_kit_description.html
David L

From richb at u.washington.edu  Sun Oct 18 19:17:36 2009
From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?
References: <439625.69051.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<98849.85843.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F9557FF927A84F759C9B41745790DCFB@m275laptop>

Ed

Rivergate and  I'm sure others have conversion kits to swap these in to the 
MGB's.  No luck for us Midget owners.

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, WA
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Edward Perez" <eap2140 at yahoo.com>; <Spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?


> Or do these mate up to the MGB?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 4:58:53 PM
> Subject: [Spridgets] Is this a true statement?
>
> Will a '78 280Z tranny work in an MG?
>
> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pts/1420843008.html
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 20:25:16 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:25:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] [Thicko] Reid - Runoffs Form Ford race on
	Speedcasttv
In-Reply-To: <8CC1E73DEA84130-8E8C-559E@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <573731.93548.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/18/09, n197tr4 at cs.com <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> It was jaw
dropping to see one FF climb on the
> suspension of the other and stay that
way to 14, a
> hundred yards away.

Joe,
Last time I crewed for Reid at
Blackhawk, the below happened - makes the Runoffs hookup look mild, albeit for
lower stakes. Advance to the 9:00 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxXFx_7mpIY

Ron

From davriker at nwi.net  Sun Oct 18 20:34:07 2009
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:34:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Tire Ramblings
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<402188520910121929q10e67689o91a866cad810198b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD3EC19.15424.19B18D5@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <985A703C9AA841AEA47A4E3DEDD8B798@MAIN>

I wanted to pass on a positive Tire ownership experience.  Wayyyy back in 
2002, I bought a set of Pirelli tires at Discount Tire for my Ford Torino, 
and paid for the lifetime tire warantee.  Well the car gets driven very 
little, so after 7 years it had amassed only about17,000 miles.  Due to age, 
the tires had some pretty bad weather checking on the sidewalls.  I had 
moved two years ago, so I had little hope that the Washington Discount Tire 
would cover the warantee from the California Discount Tire.  After all, it 
had been 7 years, I had replaced the odometer, and I have not used their 
rotation services.  I was extremely surprised.  The manager was new, so he 
made one phone call, and was shocked himself.  The warantee paid to replace 
all four tires at 100%, no questions asked.  I had to pay for the sales tax 
and a new warantee, so it cost me a total of $100 bucks.  At retail, that 
was about $600 worth of new tires.  And they had them in stock, installed 
while I waited.

The tires I have on the Midget I bought at Les Schuab.  I also have the tire 
warantee on them.  They rebalance them for no charge, yes, it is a royal 
pain, as I have to coach them on how to do it.  They also repair the flats, 
even though they are in tubes on wire wheels, at no charge, unless they need 
a new tube, then I've had to pay for the tube only.  They have no problem 
with their tubes in tubeless tires.  Their Toyo tires seem to ride, wear, 
and handle  suitably for my driving use.  When I have bought tires for the 
Midget there, I always ask for the manager, and he either has a more senior 
tire mechanic mount and balance them, or does it himself.  They use the mag 
wheel machine, and I've never had them damage the spokes if I've taken that 
precaution.
David Riker 

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sun Oct 18 21:03:14 2009
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:03:14 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Tire Ramblings
In-Reply-To: <985A703C9AA841AEA47A4E3DEDD8B798@MAIN>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<985A703C9AA841AEA47A4E3DEDD8B798@MAIN>
Message-ID: <4ADBD6F2.19434.1ECDB6A@kk7ss.verizon.net>

My local Les Schwab will mount and balance my wirewheels if I take 
them in, but they will *not* take the wheels off the car or put them 
back on because "... we don't have any torque figures for knock-
ons.."
 

On 18 Oct 2009 at 19:34, David Riker wrote:

>> The tires I have on the Midget I bought at Les Schuab. 


--
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'06 Honda Civic Hybrid
'65 MK III A-H Sprite
'76 MKIV 1500 Midget

Age is just another number... !

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 21:59:57 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:59:57 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Leather Steerting Wheel Dressing
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910182059m18da8fc8l926c4ff90dcc9ff9@mail.gmail.com>

I've posted three pictures of my TR8's steering wheel after dressing it up
using 'leather dye'.
Cleaned it well first with Dawn dish soap and water, let dry a couple hours
then applied the 'dye'...NOT shoe polish...DYE.

Very happy with the results, so much so I did the 28 year old vinyl top as
well.  Doesn't rub off on slacks....

They are posted on 'flickr' using froggi60.  Let me know if you can't find
'em.

Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon

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From franks97 at verizon.net  Sun Oct 18 22:27:42 2009
From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:27:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Vintage Programs
Message-ID: <C70138CE.83A6%franks97@verizon.net>

Thanks to the generosity of my neighbor who is a long time race fan I have
been scanning copies of his old race programs. Karen has agreed to let me
post them on the Oregon Region site. So far I have uploaded the first two
Rose Cup programs (61 & 62) and one Seafair program. Check the site from
time to time as I have several more through the 709s and 809s to scan.

Follow this link and scroll down the page:
<http://www.oregonscca.com/content/section/4/306/>

--
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franks97 at verizon.net
67 AH Sprite #82 Blue

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 22:36:16 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:36:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
Message-ID: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wow, some are really good (the F-150 active sway control? You gotta be shpittin' me!). But I think I want a big honking SUV for a tow vehicle. something with senseless amounts of leather and backup cameras and heated everything and endless features that will all fail in 3 years like Porasik's Suburban. If anyone out there has a 2006+ Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon or Expedition to sell, I'm interested. 'specially in the newer ones that get 20MPG highway. I will include a 1978 Alfa Spider in trade towards the total if you like. Your location is not terribly important. Oh, and make it by this weekend so I can tow the car to Blackhawk!!!!!!!!!

Ron
Roscoe IL

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 06:06:13 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:06:13 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Tire Ramblings
In-Reply-To: <4ADBD6F2.19434.1ECDB6A@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<985A703C9AA841AEA47A4E3DEDD8B798@MAIN>
	<4ADBD6F2.19434.1ECDB6A@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <402188520910190506v7419eecdjd78f302a06fe4c70@mail.gmail.com>

> My local Les Schwab will mount and balance my wirewheels if I take
> them in, but they will *not* take the wheels off the car or put them
> back on because "... we don't have any torque figures for knock-
> ons.."

That is a feature. I never let the tire store touch my disk-wheeled
Spridgets, either. They have no "torque stick" for anything like a
Spridget and will have a tendency to either bend or break studs for
you. They do not believe you when you tell them the torque value
should be 44 to 46 pound-feet. Much easier to hand them a set of loose
wheels from the back of my OTM.
David L

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 06:15:56 2009
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:15:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0910190515i53b07f05w2597e667d789771@mail.gmail.com>

Ron,

Bad news...   Our 2005 Silverado crew cab is a great vehicle built on the
Suburban chassis (I think?) and has the 350 engine and tow package. It gets
a nice 22 mpg highway. However, hang a trailer on that puppy and you better
be in tight with the oil companies.....    ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wow, some are really good (the F-150 active sway control? You gotta be
> shpittin' me!). But I think I want a big honking SUV for a tow vehicle.
> something with senseless amounts of leather and backup cameras and heated
> everything and endless features that will all fail in 3 years like
Porasik's
> Suburban. If anyone out there has a 2006+ Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon or
Expedition
> to sell, I'm interested. 'specially in the newer ones that get 20MPG
> highway. I will include a 1978 Alfa Spider in trade towards the total if
you
> like. Your location is not terribly important. Oh, and make it by this
> weekend so I can tow the car to Blackhawk!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ron
> Roscoe IL
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct 19 06:36:28 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:36:28 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 wanted by ... someone
Message-ID: <BAY112-W474CC9FF4949A72D75C968B8C10@phx.gbl>

I saw this ad where someone in London Ontario Canada is looking for a 1275 or
parts car with motor.



http://london.kijiji.ca/f-healey-Classifieds-W0QQKeywordZhealeyQQPageXZ3



NFI

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 07:04:43 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <388616D694F6423D96808B8B146B73EA@HomePC>

Ron, a friend of mine has an Excursion with the turbo diesel.  He said he 
easily gets in the low 20's even with a heavy trailer and his Bobcat behind 
it and loaded down with heavy construction tools.  And the thing has enough 
torque to tow a mountain.

Hey, you live close enough to Blackhawk to just drive White Trash to the 
track.  Just take the back roads and you'll be fine.  Peter and I can 
releases a big helium balloon to run interference with the cops.


Larry

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:36 PM
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit

Wow, some are really good (the F-150 active sway control? You gotta be 
shpittin' me!). But I think I want a big honking SUV for a tow vehicle. 
something with senseless amounts of leather and backup cameras and heated 
everything and endless features that will all fail in 3 years like Porasik's 
Suburban. If anyone out there has a 2006+ Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon or Expedition 
to sell, I'm interested. 'specially in the newer ones that get 20MPG 
highway. I will include a 1978 Alfa Spider in trade towards the total if you 
like. Your location is not terribly important. Oh, and make it by this 
weekend so I can tow the car to Blackhawk!!!!!!!!!

Ron
Roscoe IL
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 07:12:51 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons
Message-ID: <36B7B03652534B5F8BED206F6BDDE49F@HomePC>

Harbor Freight always sends me their email with a sheet of coupons.  This week
they have a coupon for a blood pressure monitor included.  I'm thinking they
put that in there so you can watch your blood pressure skyrocket when the
other crap you bought breaks the first time you use it.


LAD

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct 19 07:43:23 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:43:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons
In-Reply-To: <36B7B03652534B5F8BED206F6BDDE49F@HomePC>
References: <36B7B03652534B5F8BED206F6BDDE49F@HomePC>
Message-ID: <3703A178A55D473CB6EC7BAD4A15A530@spider>

Where is the blood pressure monitor manufactured?  ...bill in oregon
==========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:13 AM
To: Spridgets List
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons

Harbor Freight always sends me their email with a sheet of coupons.  This
week
they have a coupon for a blood pressure monitor included.  I'm thinking they
put that in there so you can watch your blood pressure skyrocket when the
other crap you bought breaks the first time you use it.

LAD
_______________________________________________

From peter at nosimport.com  Mon Oct 19 08:19:56 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:19:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] MGB GT
Message-ID: <200910190719934.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

For several years, it seems, a local advert appears in the paper for 
a 1974 MGB GT for sale. The ad says something like" Over $4000.00 
invested. $1500.00"

I finally girded my loins and went for a look-see. I thought it could 
be a good winter beater (Wisconsin term)

It is about 10 miles from my house, and off the beaten track. It is 
sitting prominently in the front yard (very "rural"). It assumes the 
posture of lawn art as it has been sitting there since the ad first 
ran several years ago. It is neatly mowed around, and trimmed. I 
think it only appears in ad during Spring and Fall, as the bees' 
nests are likely less active.  Only the rubber bumpers haven't 
rusted, though they are decidedly the worse for weather. The bonnet 
and roof are nearly rusted through! Paint is "lacking". Any new parts 
have acquired considerable patina.

I'm not a purist, and have a few oxidized LBCs myself, but this is 
pathetic. (As an aside, just last week Jane, my lovely enabling wife, 
suggested the color of a sweatshirt I was considering should be 
rust.... it becomes me)

Anyway, if anyone has excess dollars, time, and spare sheet metal, I 
can direct you to the vee-hick- hell.

Have a great Monday.

Peter C

From breton48 at live.com  Mon Oct 19 08:46:31 2009
From: breton48 at live.com (JLC)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:46:31 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle - ramblings from JLC!
In-Reply-To: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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When I started towing for both my Mazda RX7 "Spec Seven" (SCCA) and my
vintage racing Bugeye (VARA), I thought I needed a SUV to keep things secure
at night, or a Truck with a lockable camper shell. In the end, I went with
the Expedition, and the 5.4 optional engine. I got the 4x4, thinking it
would help in bad weather or muddy fields, but I could have done with the 2
wheel drive. I also had the Ford full towing package, plus an aftermarket
brake controller in the cab and now air bags on the rear suspension. I had a
12' open trailer (double axle with electric brakes on one axle), which was
plenty big enough for the Bugeye, and just enough for the Mazda. When I got
the Lotus, it also easily fit on that trailer. That was a good set up, and
the Expedition was up to the task. 

In 2008, when I got my Bricklin and a 35 hp Utility tractor, I felt I had to
get a bigger trailer, and a bigger vehicle to tow. 
Added to the need was my move from CA to CO, and lots of stuff I wanted to
move myself! I sold the 12' trailer, and got a Carson Deluxe car hauler, all
metal (diamond pattern on the full deck), 82" wide, 18 feet deck. I bought a
used one ton Chevy Silverado (extended cab, long bed, 454 engine, 2 wheel
drive with positraction axle) to tow that. 

For towing a light vehicle, say below 3000 pounds, the original set up of
the Expedition and relatively light 12 feet trailer was ideal. Easy to tow,
overall length of the rig was not that long, easy to back up, plenty of
space in the back of the Expedition (no third seat) for tools, spares and an
extra set of tires. I could fit another set of tires on a purpose built rack
in front of the trailer. By the way, I tried to tow the 18' deck trailer and
the Bricklin with the Expedition - OK on the flat, but the Expy had a real
problem over the mountains East of San Diego. I turned around and got the 1
ton truck!

I don't like my present rig that much, and it's bigger than what I need. My
mistake, I should have got a smaller trailer. The length of the truck plus
the trailer (over 40 feet overall) means parking can be problematic unless
you just park with the big rigs. The trailer is all metal and weighs around
2000 pounds on its own (including Warn winch and gel cell battery). I find
it also more difficult to back up. As for the truck engine, that 454 will
pull the trailer with either the Bricklin (3950 pounds weight) or the
tractor (about 3600 lbs with the loader but no implement on the back) OK,
but then my mileage will be between 9 and 10 miles per gallon. I was
trailering 1200 miles between CA and CO when gas was over $4 a gallon, so
you can imagine the cost of the trip just in gas!

I might sell all (Expedition, Chevy Truck, Trailer), and start again new:
this time I would go with a new 3/4 ton diesel truck, either Ford or Chevy,
and a 15 or 16 feet deck trailer, with wood deck.

By the way, the Expedition has proved reliable - I drove it 97000 miles
since new with very little trouble (a couple of electrical glitches plus a
recall for cruise control switch). After a few initial repairs (radiator,
bypass hose, front brake rotors, power steering hoses), the Chevy Silverado
has also been reliable for the 15000 miles I have driven it (the truck now
has 150000 miles on the clock). 

JLC
1970 Lotus 7
1975 Bricklin SV1
1992 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 
1998 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer
2000 Chevrolet Astro

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 08:53:43 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] MGB GT
In-Reply-To: <200910190719934.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <164015.36987.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:
> I finally girded my loins 

At least SOME good came out of it.

Anon

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Mon Oct 19 08:56:19 2009
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0910190515i53b07f05w2597e667d789771@mail.gmail.com>
References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0910190515i53b07f05w2597e667d789771@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADC7E13.7090803@frontiernet.net>

My primary tow vehicle is still my '89 F-350 crew cab.  Everything still 
works, with no major repairs in 20 years.  The drawback is that he gets 
10 mpg whether running empty on flat ground or towing a building up the 
Rockies. He does need a quart of oil about every 2500 miles or so.

Kate

Jim Johnson wrote:
> Ron,
>
> Bad news...   Our 2005 Silverado crew cab is a great vehicle built on the
> Suburban chassis (I think?) and has the 350 engine and tow package. It gets
> a nice 22 mpg highway. However, hang a trailer on that puppy and you better
> be in tight with the oil companies.....    ;-)
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Wow, some are really good (the F-150 active sway control? You gotta be
>> shpittin' me!). But I think I want a big honking SUV for a tow vehicle.
>> something with senseless amounts of leather and backup cameras and heated
>> everything and endless features that will all fail in 3 years like
>>     
> Porasik's
>   
>> Suburban. If anyone out there has a 2006+ Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon or
>>     
> Expedition
>   
>> to sell, I'm interested. 'specially in the newer ones that get 20MPG
>> highway. I will include a 1978 Alfa Spider in trade towards the total if
>>     
> you
>   
>> like. Your location is not terribly important. Oh, and make it by this
>> weekend so I can tow the car to Blackhawk!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Ron
>> Roscoe IL
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 09:44:18 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons
In-Reply-To: <3703A178A55D473CB6EC7BAD4A15A530@spider>
References: <36B7B03652534B5F8BED206F6BDDE49F@HomePC>
	<3703A178A55D473CB6EC7BAD4A15A530@spider>
Message-ID: <CBCCBD35D0A14FF1926424B20B51D929@HomePC>

It doesn't say, but, at only $18, I can pretty well guess.

--------------------------------------------------
From: <corvallis at peoplepc.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:43 AM
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons

Where is the blood pressure monitor manufactured?  ...bill in oregon
==========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:13 AM
To: Spridgets List
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons

Harbor Freight always sends me their email with a sheet of coupons.  This
week
they have a coupon for a blood pressure monitor included.  I'm thinking they
put that in there so you can watch your blood pressure skyrocket when the
other crap you bought breaks the first time you use it.

LAD
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From neilandcustom at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 09:57:40 2009
From: neilandcustom at gmail.com (Neil Anderson)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] MGB GT
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References: <200910190719934.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
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Peter,

Sounds like the white Bugeye tub I dragged home from Flounder's in May is
better than the lawn ornament you looked at, but not by much.  Definitely
not a project for the faint of heart or weak of wallet.  After I get the few
bits off that are worth saving, it can go to a new home for FREE.  If you
pay Flounder $200 for the trailer, you can take the whole thing.  

Otherwise I am going to cut the entire rear deck off the boot area as that
is the only really good panel on the whole tub, and then it is going to the
crusher for scrap.

If you need a winter project, maybe you can adopt one of Larry's.

It was nice to finally meet you and Jane after only talking on the phone a
few times.

Cheers,

Neil Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Caldwell
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:20 AM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] MGB GT

For several years, it seems, a local advert appears in the paper for 
a 1974 MGB GT for sale. The ad says something like" Over $4000.00 
invested. $1500.00"

I finally girded my loins and went for a look-see. I thought it could 
be a good winter beater (Wisconsin term)

It is about 10 miles from my house, and off the beaten track. It is 
sitting prominently in the front yard (very "rural"). It assumes the 
posture of lawn art as it has been sitting there since the ad first 
ran several years ago. It is neatly mowed around, and trimmed. I 
think it only appears in ad during Spring and Fall, as the bees' 
nests are likely less active.  Only the rubber bumpers haven't 
rusted, though they are decidedly the worse for weather. The bonnet 
and roof are nearly rusted through! Paint is "lacking". Any new parts 
have acquired considerable patina.

I'm not a purist, and have a few oxidized LBCs myself, but this is 
pathetic. (As an aside, just last week Jane, my lovely enabling wife, 
suggested the color of a sweatshirt I was considering should be 
rust.... it becomes me)

Anyway, if anyone has excess dollars, time, and spare sheet metal, I 
can direct you to the vee-hick- hell.

Have a great Monday.

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From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 10:49:27 2009
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons
In-Reply-To: <CBCCBD35D0A14FF1926424B20B51D929@HomePC>
References: <36B7B03652534B5F8BED206F6BDDE49F@HomePC>
	<3703A178A55D473CB6EC7BAD4A15A530@spider>
	<CBCCBD35D0A14FF1926424B20B51D929@HomePC>
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Blood pressure monitor.. tire pressure gauge, almost the same thing..   
first you start by inserting the blood pressure monitors sensor 5 mm  
into a nearby artery...

Lester


On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Larry Daniels wrote:

> It doesn't say, but, at only $18, I can pretty well guess.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <corvallis at peoplepc.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:43 AM
> To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons
>
> Where is the blood pressure monitor manufactured?  ...bill in oregon
> ==========================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:13 AM
> To: Spridgets List
> Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons
>
> Harbor Freight always sends me their email with a sheet of coupons.   
> This
> week
> they have a coupon for a blood pressure monitor included.  I'm  
> thinking they
> put that in there so you can watch your blood pressure skyrocket  
> when the
> other crap you bought breaks the first time you use it.
>
> LAD
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 11:42:42 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:42:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
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References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<388616D694F6423D96808B8B146B73EA@HomePC>
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"... big helium balloon..."  Is that with or without 6 year old?!?


On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Ron, a friend of mine has an Excursion with the turbo diesel.  He said he
> easily gets in the low 20's even with a heavy trailer and his Bobcat behind
> it and loaded down with heavy construction tools.  And the thing has enough
> torque to tow a mountain.
>
> Hey, you live close enough to Blackhawk to just drive White Trash to the
> track.  Just take the back roads and you'll be fine.  Peter and I can
> releases a big helium balloon to run interference with the cops.
>
>
> Larry




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From markwemple at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 11:59:00 2009
From: markwemple at yahoo.com (Mark Wemple)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] opinion body panels FS
In-Reply-To: <0BF127FD0A504C2BB2548144400BAD6D@universal1>
Message-ID: <422421.7015.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK guys, I have a question. I have a bunch of '62 and later Spridget boots, wings and doors that I have no need of. The boots and wings are in good to VG condition and the wings are fair to good. I don't want to recycle them but haven't been able to sell them (maybe I haven't tried hard enough). Should I recycle them (remember these are OE British stuff) or try to find someone who will give me maybe $5 ea, or something. I hate to trash 'em but want some space back.

TIA

Mark

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359 Dun Robbin Drive
Severna Park, Maryland 21146

Tel. (410) 987-5831/ Fax. (410) 987-1410

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 12:42:21 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] opinion body panels FS
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References: <0BF127FD0A504C2BB2548144400BAD6D@universal1>
	<422421.7015.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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you may want to try http://www.freecycle.org/
You never know....

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Mark Wemple <markwemple at yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK guys, I have a question. I have a bunch of '62 and later Spridget boots,
> wings and doors that I have no need of. The boots and wings are in good to
> VG condition and the wings are fair to good. I don't want to recycle them
> but haven't been able to sell them (maybe I haven't tried hard enough).
> Should I recycle them (remember these are OE British stuff) or try to find
> someone who will give me maybe $5 ea, or something. I hate to trash 'em but
> want some space back.
>
> TIA
>
> Mark
>
> Mark D. Wemple, Esq.
> 359 Dun Robbin Drive
> Severna Park, Maryland 21146
>
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From lbc at littlebitcountry.com  Mon Oct 19 15:33:01 2009
From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:33:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight Coupons
In-Reply-To: <36B7B03652534B5F8BED206F6BDDE49F@HomePC>
References: <36B7B03652534B5F8BED206F6BDDE49F@HomePC>
Message-ID: <200910192133.n9JLXPVp016547@mail.usimperio.com>

Send the coupons to Frank, he can always use them....    :-)


Dave


At 09:12 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote:
>Harbor Freight always sends me their email with a sheet of coupons.  This week
>they have a coupon for a blood pressure monitor included.  I'm thinking they
>put that in there so you can watch your blood pressure skyrocket when the
>other crap you bought breaks the first time you use it.
>
>
>LAD
>____

From billmasq at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 19 18:33:07 2009
From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com>
References: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com>
Message-ID: <SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>

Bear attack 2009











Apparently a bear attacked his plane while parked in a remote
field up here in AK.  He had not cleaned out the inside after a long
fishing trip and the bear smelled it.



 He had 2 new tires,  3 cases of Duct Tape  and
several rolls of cellophane delivered. Then went about repairing the plane so
he could fly it home.



Gutsy, to say the least.





























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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct 19 19:05:11 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:05:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
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	<SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
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This link may help. ...bill in Oregon
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p
lane-21192.html

==========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Masquelier
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:33 PM
To: spridget list
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content

Bear attack 2009

Apparently a bear attacked his plane while parked in a remote
field up here in AK.  He had not cleaned out the inside after a long
fishing trip and the bear smelled it.

He had 2 new tires,  3 cases of Duct Tape  and
several rolls of cellophane delivered. Then went about repairing the plane
so he could fly it home.

Gutsy, to say the least.

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct 19 19:08:17 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:08:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
References: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com>
	<SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl> 
Message-ID: <8E424075CF7049C497A1E3DEFC44864F@spider>

Sorry. Guess you need to sign up. I wouldn't ...bill in oregon
=============================================================
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From: corvallis at peoplepc.com [mailto:corvallis at peoplepc.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:05 PM
To: 'spridgets at autox.team.net'
Subject: RE: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content

This link may help. ...bill in Oregon
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p
lane-21192.html

==========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Masquelier
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:33 PM
To: spridget list
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content

Bear attack 2009

Apparently a bear attacked his plane while parked in a remote
field up here in AK.  He had not cleaned out the inside after a long
fishing trip and the bear smelled it.

He had 2 new tires,  3 cases of Duct Tape  and
several rolls of cellophane delivered. Then went about repairing the plane
so he could fly it home.

Gutsy, to say the least.

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 19:22:24 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <79DEB4825FDC4521A6FEE0963D62D880@spider>
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	<SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
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you have to be a member, to view the photos....
Now, I've been called a "member" but I am not a member of *that *llist

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM, <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> This link may help. ...bill in Oregon
>
> http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p
> lane-21192.html<http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p%0Alane-21192.html>
>
> ==========================================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Masquelier
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:33 PM
> To: spridget list
> Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
>
> Bear attack 2009
>
> Apparently a bear attacked his plane while parked in a remote
> field up here in AK.  He had not cleaned out the inside after a long
> fishing trip and the bear smelled it.
>
> He had 2 new tires,  3 cases of Duct Tape  and
> several rolls of cellophane delivered. Then went about repairing the plane
> so he could fly it home.
>
> Gutsy, to say the least.
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From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 19 19:26:40 2009
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:26:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <79DEB4825FDC4521A6FEE0963D62D880@spider>
References: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com><SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
	<79DEB4825FDC4521A6FEE0963D62D880@spider>
Message-ID: <0AD15B2AEBFC42A2AE24728DD056FB7B@BASEMENTDELL>

Yeah we had a wandering one here in Wisconsin

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/64727927.html

and NO ONE around here at least has mentioned Hamm's.  No damage, just kind
of lazy.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
corvallis at peoplepc.com
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:05 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content

This link may help. ...bill in Oregon
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p
lane-21192.html

==========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Masquelier
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:33 PM
To: spridget list
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content

Bear attack 2009

Apparently a bear attacked his plane while parked in a remote
field up here in AK.  He had not cleaned out the inside after a long
fishing trip and the bear smelled it.

He had 2 new tires,  3 cases of Duct Tape  and
several rolls of cellophane delivered. Then went about repairing the plane
so he could fly it home.

Gutsy, to say the least.
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From george.brokaw at cox.net  Mon Oct 19 19:27:20 2009
From: george.brokaw at cox.net (Paul Herder)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:27:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <79DEB4825FDC4521A6FEE0963D62D880@spider>
References: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com>
	<SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
	<79DEB4825FDC4521A6FEE0963D62D880@spider>
Message-ID: <016701ca5124$783a2730$68ae7590$@brokaw@cox.net>

Only if you are a member of that forum...

: (



-----Original Message-----
This link may help. ...bill in Oregon
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p
lane-21192.html

==========================================================
-----Original Message-----

Bear attack 2009

Apparently a bear attacked his plane while parked in a remote
field up here in AK.  He had not cleaned out the inside after a long
fishing trip and the bear smelled it.

He had 2 new tires,  3 cases of Duct Tape  and
several rolls of cellophane delivered. Then went about repairing the plane
so he could fly it home.

Gutsy, to say the least.
_______________________________________________

From gmuttart at eastlink.ca  Mon Oct 19 20:12:29 2009
From: gmuttart at eastlink.ca (Geoff Muttart)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:12:29 -0300
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone care to check out a car in Victoria, BC for me?
Message-ID: <D2CEB5DB3F984444A0F1BF7B010468FE@FAMILY>

If there are any listers in Victoria, BC, Canada, who would like to check
out a car for me, please contact me off-list.  

 

Thanks

Geoff

Nova Scotia, Canada

From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 19:42:06 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:42:06 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar
Message-ID: <4ADD156E.4010000@comcast.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4cw565V98

From sales at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 19 20:20:14 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:20:14 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
References: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com>
	<SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ADD1E5E.9070609@justbrits.com>

Bill, if you want to send to me I'll put up for all.

Please RE-NAME EACH file (pic) EXACTLY like these:

BillM_bear_01.jpg, BillM_bear_02.jpg, BillM_bear_03.jpg
BillM_bear_04.jpg, BillM_bear_05.jpg and
BillM_bear_06.jpg !!!

The foregoing is (yes I know<G>) that they are *.jpgs.
If not please convert them to *.jpg.

Max size wanted is 1024pxs WIDTH.  900pxs wide would
be better.

I can use the verbage in the eMail if that is all that is
desired.

Ed

From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Mon Oct 19 21:48:35 2009
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar
References: <4ADD156E.4010000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B7C23170A7BA44C89A2E671B7687F7A5@leovs802bt6yj7>

Not a very well executed car at all.  Seen it in person at this years Keel's 
and Wheels and it is cool looking but very shoddily done.  Especially 
considering it's 250K price tag.  When seen in person the sum of the parts 
just dont fit into the big picture.  Have tons of pics of it if interested.

Leo
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:42 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar


> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4cw565V98
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From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 22:58:27 2009
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:58:27 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <4ADD1E5E.9070609@justbrits.com>
References: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com>
	<SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
	<4ADD1E5E.9070609@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <8de85a9c0910192158q978b9e1la4abebe173c176ea@mail.gmail.com>

Or, thanks to Google, you could try this link:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?threadid=24326

From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 03:01:42 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:01:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar
In-Reply-To: <B7C23170A7BA44C89A2E671B7687F7A5@leovs802bt6yj7>
Message-ID: <308363.22156.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Leo S <60bugeye at cebridge.net> wrote:
> Not a very well
executed car at
> all.  

As opposed to the original ;-)?

Ron

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 05:58:50 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar
In-Reply-To: <308363.22156.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <B7C23170A7BA44C89A2E671B7687F7A5@leovs802bt6yj7>
	<308363.22156.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402188520910200458j4a7b4de2l1cff5240d1824fcc@mail.gmail.com>

> As opposed to the original ;-)?

Which? 007's Lotus or the Aquada?
Interesting that this one can open the doors while floating.
David L

From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Tue Oct 20 07:09:39 2009
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo S)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:09:39 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar
References: <B7C23170A7BA44C89A2E671B7687F7A5@leovs802bt6yj7><308363.22156.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<402188520910200458j4a7b4de2l1cff5240d1824fcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D15E86C0AF40F6A8E6478D3DDF2545@leovs802bt6yj7>

It is basically a Yukon with a Corvette rearend on a fiberglass v-hull boat. 
No problem with climbing nto a boat a little wet:)

Leo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar


>> As opposed to the original ;-)?
>
> Which? 007's Lotus or the Aquada?
> Interesting that this one can open the doors while floating.
> David L
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From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:42:17 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:42:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Spridgets at Road America
Message-ID: <402188520910200842m6ca20722pc86e3a8afb2fc429@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to be a little short of photos of Spridgets at Road America for
the calendar. Care to email me some?
David L

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 10:13:07 2009
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W2550226FAE34816E654C4EC2C00@phx.gbl>

hey Ron,

My tow vehicle observations/options for ya.
I have a 2003 Explorer EB 4x4 with the 4.6 v8, 5 spd auto. 7 passenger.
leather, heated seats, moonroof 6 cd player, DVD player with headrest
monitors,
 backup sensor but not camera.
20+ mpg highway when not towing. (22+ drafting or doing speed limit :-))
rides nice, handles pretty good for an SUV. 66K miles.
Tows my Bugeye on an open trailer very nicely,  17+ mpg towing Bugeye on open
trailer, hardly notices it.
Drove John Sprinzel to the airport from Sprite Spree 03 to Newark airport
towing a Midget,
and he remarked how nicely it rode, handled and towed. He was surprised.
Have had it for 6+ years, no problems with it, doesn't burn any oil at all
between changes.
Doesn't have the tow pkg, just the 1.5 inch hitch receiver and 4 pin plug, but
that is fine for me.
Like it alot, but wanted more room behind the 3rd seat when going on trips
with the family.
It's BRG , I mean dark green/gold metallic paint and tan leather. :-)

Which led us to get a 2008 Chrysler Aspen earlier this year. (think fancy
Dodge Durango).
Didn't trade the Explorer when we got it as they didn't want to give us squat
for it, so we kept it.
We got the Aspen over the other large SUVs mostly cause they were discounting
them so much.
Saved over $12000 over getting a comparable Expedition or the new GM
Acadia/Outlook/Traverse triplets,
as they were closing em out and the bankruptcy last winter. No room behind the
3rd seat in the Tahoe/Yukon,
and wife didn't want to drive a land yacht Burban.
Loaded to the gunwhales, HEMI/4 spd auto, 4x4, tow pkg, moonroof, NAV and rear
DVD player,
 40 gig HD for downloaded DVD's/CD's/Mp3's,  heated leather front seats,
backup camera,
110 outlet inside, cupholders all over, wood trim, 20 in rims, rear a/c, 8
passenger etc......
Light sand metallic paint w two tone tan leather.
18+ mpg w/o trailer, 16 towing. Rides very nicely. Didn't like the handling
compared to the Explorer,
rolls more, stock shocks seemed to have very little rebound damping from the
factory.
Sooo, I put poly swaybar bushings on it and a set of Bilstein shocks on it.
Big difference. much more stable. Still rolls more than the Explorer and the
steering feel isn't
nearly as good, but rides very nice and is a good comfortable long hauler.
Alot more room in it
for 3 kids and there stuff for trips than the Explorer.. Great power from the
HEMI, though
sometimes I wish I would have gotten the 4.7 v8 instead, as it had 300 HP
instead of 350,
but is flex fuel capable and E85 is about 80 cents a gallon cheaper than
regular unleaded.
12K miles and no problems so far. knock wood....
Interested in either, gimme a holler, but unfortunately wouldn't be able to
deliver either this weekend
as I'm going camping with my son. Unless someone from around LI would like to
drive one out to you. :-)

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed!



> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:36:16 -0700
> From: soavero at yahoo.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
>
> Wow, some are really good (the F-150 active sway control? You gotta be
shpittin' me!). But I think I want a big honking SUV for a tow vehicle.
something with senseless amounts of leather and backup cameras and heated
everything and endless features that will all fail in 3 years like Porasik's
Suburban. If anyone out there has a 2006+ Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon or Expedition
to sell, I'm interested. 'specially in the newer ones that get 20MPG highway.
I will include a 1978 Alfa Spider in trade towards the total if you like. Your
location is not terribly important. Oh, and make it by this weekend so I can
tow the car to Blackhawk!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ron
> Roscoe IL
> _______________________________________________
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:21:07 2009
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:21:07 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W2550226FAE34816E654C4EC2C00@phx.gbl>
References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BLU103-W2550226FAE34816E654C4EC2C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910910201021g2f130dd4s93506d3eb1e77da1@mail.gmail.com>

I have a friend selling a 1 ton Ford diesel van for $4000.  I think it
is a 97.  It gets about 20MPG on the highway and pulls pretty good.

From peter at nosimport.com  Tue Oct 20 11:43:31 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:43:31 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910910201021g2f130dd4s93506d3eb1e77da1@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BLU103-W2550226FAE34816E654C4EC2C00@phx.gbl>
	<5f00d9910910201021g2f130dd4s93506d3eb1e77da1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910201043589.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

At 12:21 PM 10/20/2009, derf wrote:
>I have a friend selling a 1 ton Ford diesel van for $4000.  I think it
>is a 97.  It gets about 20MPG on the highway and pulls pretty good.
===
That would be a Drof, no????


ED 

From bkitterer at me.com  Tue Oct 20 11:51:45 2009
From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:51:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910191822q3dd66f10u4530b1d867f4b6c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006601ca5116$01742640$045c72c0$@com>
	<SNT123-W5737FC426C0733FAAAEC4ECAC00@phx.gbl>
	<79DEB4825FDC4521A6FEE0963D62D880@spider>
	<e98d88090910191822q3dd66f10u4530b1d867f4b6c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB76BEEF-D48B-4C2A-A45A-9A8E41805DD1@me.com>

Just happen to have the photos in a zip file.  Will send it to  
JustBrits and maybe he will have a place for them
.
Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Brad Fornal wrote:

> you have to be a member, to view the photos....
> Now, I've been called a "member" but I am not a member of *that *llist
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM, <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>> This link may help. ...bill in Oregon
>>
>> http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p
>> lane-21192.html<http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/modern/bear-attack-i-think-we-need-bigger-p%0Alane-21192.html 
>> >
>>
>> ==========================================================
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill  
>> Masquelier
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:33 PM
>> To: spridget list
>> Subject: [Spridgets] Bear attack 2009- No Spridget content
>>
>> Bear attack 2009
>>
>> Apparently a bear attacked his plane while parked in a remote
>> field up here in AK.  He had not cleaned out the inside after a long
>> fishing trip and the bear smelled it.
>>
>> He had 2 new tires,  3 cases of Duct Tape  and
>> several rolls of cellophane delivered. Then went about repairing  
>> the plane
>> so he could fly it home.
>>
>> Gutsy, to say the least.
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From jfishbein at snet.net  Tue Oct 20 12:12:03 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:12:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <200910201043589.SM03688@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <231340.62993.qm@web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Better than that, the price would be .0004$

jjf

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

At 12:21 PM 10/20/2009, derf wrote:
>I have a friend selling a 1 ton Ford diesel van for $4000.  I think it
>is a 97.  It gets about 20MPG on the highway and pulls pretty good.
===
That would be a Drof, no????

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 12:13:19 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Oil Changing Instructions
Message-ID: <402188520910201113j77d47e81w652c7fa52e5aef97@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8B9erdk0go
Study the video carefully, and I am sure that you too will find
deficiencies in your old technique.
David L

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct 20 12:40:59 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:40:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] opinion body panels FS
In-Reply-To: <422421.7015.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C703524B.217BC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> The boots and wings are in good to VG condition and the wings are fair to good
But how are the doors? I'm going to need a left door, and maybe a fender.
The more I strip, the more Bondo I find.

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct 20 12:54:59 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:54:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Oil Changing Instructions
In-Reply-To: <402188520910201113j77d47e81w652c7fa52e5aef97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <402188520910201113j77d47e81w652c7fa52e5aef97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADE0783.9000609@comcast.net>

David Lieb wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8B9erdk0go
> Study the video carefully, and I am sure that you too will find
> deficiencies in your old technique.
>
>
>   
Much better *facilities* in their garage but didja notice they forgot to 
smear the new filter gasket with oil?
That would be my one and only complaint. Everything else was just perfect!

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From vdiorio at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 12:55:31 2009
From: vdiorio at hotmail.com (vincent diorio)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:55:31 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Tire Ramblings
In-Reply-To: <985A703C9AA841AEA47A4E3DEDD8B798@MAIN>
References: <4AD3B72F.23648.CC65C8@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<4AD3DA72.15217.15620EE@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
Message-ID: <BAY127-W1566E36E03DACD1772FE57AFC00@phx.gbl>

First of all, thanx to all that helped me in the past.  Question:  what modern
size tire will fit a square fender 66 midget with wires?  I want to know
before I buy the tubes and rubbers.

> From: davriker at nwi.net
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:34:07 -0700
> Subject: [Spridgets] Tire Ramblings
>
> I wanted to pass on a positive Tire ownership experience. Wayyyy back in
> 2002, I bought a set of Pirelli tires at Discount Tire for my Ford Torino,
> and paid for the lifetime tire warantee. Well the car gets driven very
> little, so after 7 years it had amassed only about17,000 miles. Due to age,
> the tires had some pretty bad weather checking on the sidewalls. I had
> moved two years ago, so I had little hope that the Washington Discount Tire
> would cover the warantee from the California Discount Tire. After all, it
> had been 7 years, I had replaced the odometer, and I have not used their
> rotation services. I was extremely surprised. The manager was new, so he
> made one phone call, and was shocked himself. The warantee paid to replace
> all four tires at 100%, no questions asked. I had to pay for the sales tax
> and a new warantee, so it cost me a total of $100 bucks. At retail, that
> was about $600 worth of new tires. And they had them in stock, installed
> while I waited.
>
> The tires I have on the Midget I bought at Les Schuab. I also have the tire
> warantee on them. They rebalance them for no charge, yes, it is a royal
> pain, as I have to coach them on how to do it. They also repair the flats,
> even though they are in tubes on wire wheels, at no charge, unless they need
> a new tube, then I've had to pay for the tube only. They have no problem
> with their tubes in tubeless tires. Their Toyo tires seem to ride, wear,
> and handle suitably for my driving use. When I have bought tires for the
> Midget there, I always ask for the manager, and he either has a more senior
> tire mechanic mount and balance them, or does it himself. They use the mag
> wheel machine, and I've never had them damage the spokes if I've taken that
> precaution.
> David Riker
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 12:56:56 2009
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Oil Changing Instructions
In-Reply-To: <402188520910201113j77d47e81w652c7fa52e5aef97@mail.gmail.com>
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I've watched it several times and I'm just not getting it.



They're going to have to come over and show me.



-Mike Eldred

'54 MG TF

'73 Midget

'51 Jeep M38

> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:13:19 -0500
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> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Oil Changing Instructions
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8B9erdk0go
> Study the video carefully, and I am sure that you too will find
> deficiencies in your old technique.
> David L
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 13:03:17 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:03:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Oil Changing Instructions
In-Reply-To: <402188520910201113j77d47e81w652c7fa52e5aef97@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e98d88090910201203s4166bd2do77f5a80f379c2dc5@mail.gmail.com>

I don't usually have a air hose fight, or pillow fight, as part of my oil
change. That is about the only difference I see....

LOL!!

Thank you for sharing

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8B9erdk0go
> Study the video carefully, and I am sure that you too will find
> deficiencies in your old technique.
> David L
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From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 14:26:30 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:26:30 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting amphicar
Message-ID: <d0e.581a8c7f.380f76f6@aol.com>

Made not more than 10mins walk from my house!
 
In a message dated 20/10/2009 13:22:37 GMT Daylight Time,  
72spridget at gmail.com writes:

Aquada

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 14:33:56 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:33:56 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Oil Changing Instructions
Message-ID: <ce8.6200bd5f.380f78b4@aol.com>

I showed my wife this clip and she has promised to bring her friends round  
to the oil change on my car from now on so long as I pay for the outfits.   
I guess this is a small price to pay for getting someone to change the oil 
for  you?
 
In a message dated 20/10/2009 20:18:49 GMT Daylight Time,  
spritenut at comcast.net writes:

Much  better *facilities* in their garage but didja notice they forgot to 
smear  the new filter gasket with oil?
That would be my one and only complaint.  Everything else was just perfect!

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River,  NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 15:59:50 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
Message-ID: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>

      Now this looks like fun!!


                First video is how it should be done....

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8

                Second video is how it sometimes is done....

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 17:48:37 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:48:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
References: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
Message-ID: <402188520910201648j91c2edbu1e9b1d8ced2d04a2@mail.gmail.com>

>      Now this looks like fun!!

Looks like a VERY expensive learning curve!
David L

From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 18:10:58 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:10:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae's viewing video
Message-ID: <495593.80798.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://kdka.com/video/?id=63814 at kdka.dayport.com

Ron

From sales at justbrits.com  Tue Oct 20 20:06:01 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae's viewing video
In-Reply-To: <495593.80798.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <495593.80798.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ADE6C89.7060801@justbrits.com>

Thank you, 'Hopper !!

Ed

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 20 21:39:30 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:39:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found
References: <252929EF3323441E830F730077F7BEC7@blackbox2>
	<205cef430910170603n2840a74axc7c4eac9bf2722d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D88F991EFF2945A284152429479C213B@blackbox2>

Hold it up!   I just discovered that the pressure from this pump is too high.
I noticed seepage from the front carb after doing some test drives.

My workaround solution was to put a 18 ohm high wattage resistor in series with the pump.
This reduced the rpm and the pressure (and made it even quieter).  

However, I realize this is not a solution that most can implement safely, so I cannot 
recommend this pump for Spridget use.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Linda Grunthaner 
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found


Keep us posted I'm getting an extra for my trunk (boot) : )
Lin
PS Where was it made I emailed the seller too.


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Dean Hedin <dlh2001 at comcast.net> wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/yjseehb

Came tonight.  I'll put it in tomorrow and see how it goes.

This is the best price I could find for this type of pump.
The big auto part chains don't seem carry anything like this,.

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 22:47:47 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:47:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Discuss
In-Reply-To: <AA89CE358D51F94F80F035E644CE73C351359A6567@RNOMBX01.is.ad.igt.com>
References: <AA89CE358D51F94F80F035E644CE73C351359A6567@RNOMBX01.is.ad.igt.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910202147r22edc142n7dbb84514d66d891@mail.gmail.com>

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/10/19/ilmor-5-stroke-engine-700cc-turbo-3-cylinder-130-bhp/



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 22:56:51 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:56:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
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Can you say autocross...for boats?!?
I believe I'm correct when I say that this is a bit north of me in Hood
River, Oregon.

Within the past two weeks, we had a local boat racer (same boats) killed as
he went down a "new" stretch of the famous Rogue River.  Our 100+ year old
dam was just removed...thank you tree-hugging, save everything but people,
baby-killing lefties...and this 39 year old along with his 13 year old son
went down a totally untested section of the river, lost control and all were
thrown out of the boat.  The boat came down on the pilot.  Did I mention the
boat was going 100 mph!!!.

Anyway, watching this type of boat racing is quite exhilarating.  When
younger, I skied behind them...fun.

Herb

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>      Now this looks like fun!!
>
>
>                First video is how it should be done....
>
>                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8
>
>                Second video is how it sometimes is done....
>
>                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk
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>



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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 23:03:04 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:03:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Roadster
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910202203u56175a18q8d9d8774ef889b08@mail.gmail.com>

The price is right.
http://jalopnik.com/5385797/how-to-build-an-all+billet-aluminum-cobra?skyline=true&s=i

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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 21 06:08:02 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:08:02 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910202156u5322b8c6q90a9721f2afc7fc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
	<2ad6c6b10910202156u5322b8c6q90a9721f2afc7fc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A125804769C44D1090FED8D755D6AB05@HomePC>

Gee, Herb, don't you think the irresponsible father who took his 13 year old
son down a "new stretch" of an "untested section of the river" while "going
100 mph" maybe deserves some of the blame for what his stupidity caused?


Larry


From: WFO Herb
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:56 PM
To: Larry Daniels
Cc: Spridgets List
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing


Can you say autocross...for boats?!?


I believe I'm correct when I say that this is a bit north of me in Hood River,
Oregon.


Within the past two weeks, we had a local boat racer (same boats) killed as he
went down a "new" stretch of the famous Rogue River.  Our 100+ year old dam
was just removed...thank you tree-hugging, save everything but people,
baby-killing lefties...and this 39 year old along with his 13 year old son
went down a totally untested section of the river, lost control and all were
thrown out of the boat.  The boat came down on the pilot.  Did I mention the
boat was going 100 mph!!!.


Anyway, watching this type of boat racing is quite exhilarating.  When
younger, I skied behind them...fun.


Herb


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

       Now this looks like fun!!


                 First video is how it should be done....

                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8

                 Second video is how it sometimes is done....

                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 21 06:49:00 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:49:00 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Lucas etc.
Message-ID: <BAY112-W29EA00F061A4AD8F029EC1B8BF0@phx.gbl>

I'm not sure if this site was ever posted here, but what with winter coming
on, I thought I would point you at it.



Lucas Training Courses ( pdf ) ( 'smoke' covered on pages 15 thru 18 in Lesson
5 )

and BMC Service Bulletins

http://www.healey6.com/bulletin.htm

From proefrock at comcast.net  Wed Oct 21 07:08:50 2009
From: proefrock at comcast.net (Jim Proefrock)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:08:50 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <A125804769C44D1090FED8D755D6AB05@HomePC>
References: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
	<2ad6c6b10910202156u5322b8c6q90a9721f2afc7fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<A125804769C44D1090FED8D755D6AB05@HomePC>
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+1

On Oct 21, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Larry Daniels wrote:

> Gee, Herb, don't you think the irresponsible father who took his 13  
> year old
> son down a "new stretch" of an "untested section of the river"  
> while "going
> 100 mph" maybe deserves some of the blame for what his stupidity  
> caused?
>
>
> Larry

From mlempert at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 21 08:01:56 2009
From: mlempert at bellsouth.net (Michael Lempert)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found
References: <mailman.16680.1256126904.3240.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3805250B26BC41D89D7C1FC272F8E418@DadsPC>

I'm at a point of restocking a pump I sell for the big Healeys and am 
wondering if I should also stock some of the models for Sprite. Would there 
be interest? These are German made H|co fuel pumps and are far superior to 
the usual cheap auto parts store choices, but they're priced higher too.  I 
would sell to listers for $85.  I have a PDF document for anyone who wants 
to see specs. Five year warranty.

The big Healey version is identical in appearance and can be seen here:
http://www.pbase.com/mdlempert/pump

Regards,
Mike Lempert
http://www.lempertwheels.com



> Hold it up!   I just discovered that the pressure from this pump is too 
> high.
> I noticed seepage from the front carb after doing some test drives.

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:55:56 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:55:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Barry King Wishbones
Message-ID: <402188520910210755k7fb33418y958828e73433abdc@mail.gmail.com>

Some of you might be familiar with the Barry King Premier wishbones.
These are NOT re-manufactured, they are new pressings with re-designed
bushings and fulcrum pin. There was a discussion on them recently on
the MGCars.org site with reference to their use with the Frontline
shock kits at http://tinyurl.com/ykgqnld or
http://www2.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgbbs&mode=thread&access=&subj
ect=97&source=T&thread=2009102015391919533
with pictures of the wishbones. Knowing that every time I have
acquired a Midget, I have had to replace the wishbones, I was thinking
of getting some of these, although they are understandably expensive
at around $265 a pair (IIRC) plus shipping, customs, currency
conversion, etc. I emailed Barry yesterday and here is his reply:
_____________________________________________
>>> Hi David,
Thanks for your inquiry. As you have probably seen there have been
some posts on the MGbbs forum recently with some photos that should
answer your construction questions (dl, see link above), but the main
difference is the greasing system which is via a lubrication scroll in
the bushes thereby eliminating the vicious grease groove in the
fulcrum pin which eventually cuts the threaded bush and the solid pin
that prevents distortion during the hardening process. We do send to
the States but it costs us around #65 per pair; we use royal mail
because we don't sell enough to the States to command an account with
the international couriers. I am prepared to send the pans anywhere
and have done so in the past recently to the USA, South Africa,
Norway, Holland, Denmark and Australia, but we do lose some sales
because of the high freight costs, but please let me know your
requirements and we can see what we can come up with, the best option
for you would be find someone perhaps buying other classic car parts
by container load and we could get them to the departure point, in the
meantime I will make some inquiries.
_____________________________________________

ISTR that someone was recently discussing a container from England,
but I assume it is too late by now. Is anyone interested in a group
buy?
David L

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct 21 09:10:59 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:10:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <A125804769C44D1090FED8D755D6AB05@HomePC>
References: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
	<2ad6c6b10910202156u5322b8c6q90a9721f2afc7fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<A125804769C44D1090FED8D755D6AB05@HomePC>
Message-ID: <33E27F568D7741778616CA381634AB82@Home>

> Gee, Herb, don't you think the irresponsible father who took his 13 year 
> old
> son down a "new stretch" of an "untested section of the river" while 
> "going
> 100 mph" maybe deserves some of the blame for what his stupidity caused?

DARWIN LIVES!

Michael Rowe 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 21 09:18:48 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:18:48 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <33E27F568D7741778616CA381634AB82@Home>
References: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
	<2ad6c6b10910202156u5322b8c6q90a9721f2afc7fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<A125804769C44D1090FED8D755D6AB05@HomePC>
	<33E27F568D7741778616CA381634AB82@Home>
Message-ID: <6644FE696343489B805E6C7F691D5825@HomePC>

From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:10 AM
To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing

> Gee, Herb, don't you think the irresponsible father who took his 13 year
> old
> son down a "new stretch" of an "untested section of the river" while
> "going
> 100 mph" maybe deserves some of the blame for what his stupidity caused?

DARWIN LIVES!

Michael Rowe

==============================

Hey, Michael, no platitudes allowed.

You're lucky you didn't have an invective in there or you'd be in deep s_it.

ED 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 21 09:35:14 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:35:14 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <6644FE696343489B805E6C7F691D5825@HomePC>
References: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
	<2ad6c6b10910202156u5322b8c6q90a9721f2afc7fc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W33271BEA15276CEE1189D1B8BF0@phx.gbl>

I don't think so!!  ;)



> DARWIN LIVES!
>
> Michael Rowe

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 10:15:17 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:15:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
Message-ID: <914917.55400.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Back when the Speed Channel was Speed TV (Pre NASCAR-Vision days) they used to
show this form of racing along with all kinds of other cool motorsports.  I
don't know where this is, but it does look like great fun - probably very
regional like those wicked swamp buggies that look like a giant mechanical
preying mantis on wheels that they race somewhere in Florida.  Neat stuff -
thanks for sharing.
 - David Booker

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 4:59 PM


      Now this looks like fun!!


                First video is how it should be done....

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8

                Second video is how it sometimes is done....

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 10:28:35 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Interlagos F1 race
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10910202147r22edc142n7dbb84514d66d891@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <289770.32827.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Did anybody by any chance record the Brazilian F1 race on good old-fashioned
video tape? If so, would it be possible that I could borrow it?  While I was
moving Sunday, I set the VHS machine to record while I was hauling stuff out
to the Budget rent-a-truck and across town...  Unfortunately, I apparently set
it to fast speed taping, so I only got two hours worth of recordings.  Which
would be great if I have not started more than an hour before the race in
order to catch all the pre-race talks and discussions of the last races,
etc.   Heavy sigh... Yeah, sometimes I'm lame when it comes to sweating the
details...
 
 - David Booker
Frustrated F1 fan(atic) who has not missed a single race this season till
now...
Long Island

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 21 10:46:57 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:46:57 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <914917.55400.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <914917.55400.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <737BFA05885E4F458BA4B381D64F9330@HomePC>

Herb was right, it was someplace in Oregon.





From: David Booker
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:15 AM
To: Spridgets List ; Larry Daniels
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing


      Back when the Speed Channel was Speed TV (Pre NASCAR-Vision days) they
used to show this form of racing along with all kinds of other cool
motorsports.  I don't know where this is, but it does look like great fun -
probably very regional like those wicked swamp buggies that look like a giant
mechanical preying mantis on wheels that they race somewhere in Florida.  Neat
stuff - thanks for sharing.
       - David Booker

      --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


        From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
        Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
        To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
        Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 4:59 PM


              Now this looks like fun!!


                        First video is how it should be done....

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8

                        Second video is how it sometimes is done....

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk
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From 72spridget at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:10:19 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:10:19 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Barry King Wishbones
In-Reply-To: <402188520910210755k7fb33418y958828e73433abdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <402188520910210755k7fb33418y958828e73433abdc@mail.gmail.com>
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> Some of you might be familiar with the Barry King Premier wishbones.
> _____________________________________________
>
> ISTR that someone was recently discussing a container from England,
> but I assume it is too late by now. Is anyone interested in a group
> buy?

Nevermind. Thanks to posting here, I have now found a US supplier
willing to sell these at a rather reasonable price.
David L

From proefrock at comcast.net  Wed Oct 21 11:35:16 2009
From: proefrock at comcast.net (Jim Proefrock)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:35:16 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
In-Reply-To: <737BFA05885E4F458BA4B381D64F9330@HomePC>
References: <914917.55400.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<737BFA05885E4F458BA4B381D64F9330@HomePC>
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>       Back when the Speed Channel was Speed TV (Pre NASCAR-Vision days

I agree that Speed Channel is a mere shadow of its former self, but I  
don't blame NA$CAR. I blame the fact they lean far too heavily on non- 
racing programming, most of which is poorly disguised infomercials.  
Total crap.

And don't get me started on "Pass Time" and "Pinks" . . . possibly  
two of the dumbest shows in the history of televised motorsports.

One of Speed's more redeeming qualities is "Wind Tunnel". That's a  
decent show, most of the time.

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Wed Oct 21 11:40:58 2009
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Barry King Wishbones
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References: <402188520910210755k7fb33418y958828e73433abdc@mail.gmail.com>
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Come on David.  Don't keep it a secret.  Who is selling them?
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
56 BN2

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:10 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Some of you might be familiar with the Barry King Premier wishbones.
> > _____________________________________________
> >
> > ISTR that someone was recently discussing a container from England,
> > but I assume it is too late by now. Is anyone interested in a group
> > buy?
>
> Nevermind. Thanks to posting here, I have now found a US supplier
> willing to sell these at a rather reasonable price.
> David L
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 16:50:32 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:50:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
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References: <14447C645336439190901CA7B01B1078@HomePC>
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IMHO,  he gets full credit....

Herb

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>  Gee, Herb, don't you think the irresponsible father who took his 13 year
> old son down a "new stretch" of an "untested section of the river" while
> "going 100 mph" maybe deserves some of the blame for what his stupidity
> caused?
>
>
> Larry
>
>  *From:* WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:56 PM
> *To:* Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
> *Cc:* Spridgets List <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
>
> Can you say autocross...for boats?!?
> I believe I'm correct when I say that this is a bit north of me in Hood
> River, Oregon.
>
> Within the past two weeks, we had a local boat racer (same boats) killed as
> he went down a "new" stretch of the famous Rogue River.  Our 100+ year old
> dam was just removed...thank you tree-hugging, save everything but people,
> baby-killing lefties...and this 39 year old along with his 13 year old son
> went down a totally untested section of the river, lost control and all were
> thrown out of the boat.  The boat came down on the pilot.  Did I mention the
> boat was going 100 mph!!!.
>
> Anyway, watching this type of boat racing is quite exhilarating.  When
> younger, I skied behind them...fun.
>
> Herb
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>>      Now this looks like fun!!
>>
>>
>>                First video is how it should be done....
>>
>>                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8
>>
>>                Second video is how it sometimes is done....
>>
>>                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk
>> __________________________________________
>>
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 21 17:14:04 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:14:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing
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I couldn't agree with you more.  It's just that, after reading your post, you
seemed to attribute blame, at least in part, to the "baby-killing lefties".

BTW, I do have to say that that was one of the most despicable things you
could say about half of this country no matter which side you are coming from.
It's too damn bad we can't differ in our opinions without resorting to that
kind of vile garbage.  I don't think either side of the debate deserves to be
labeled "baby-killers".  That's just cheap crap and beyond the limits of what
our variety of listers should have to read.  That reminds me of the crap that
our soldiers faced when coming home from Viet Nam.  And that is just MHO.


Larry





From: WFO Herb
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:50 PM
To: Larry Daniels
Cc: Spridgets List
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing


IMHO,  he gets full credit....

Herb


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

  Gee, Herb, don't you think the irresponsible father who took his 13 year old
son down a "new stretch" of an "untested section of the river" while "going
100 mph" maybe deserves some of the blame for what his stupidity caused?


  Larry


  From: WFO Herb
  Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:56 PM
  To: Larry Daniels
  Cc: Spridgets List
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] The latest form of boat racing


  Can you say autocross...for boats?!?


  I believe I'm correct when I say that this is a bit north of me in Hood
River, Oregon.


  Within the past two weeks, we had a local boat racer (same boats) killed as
he went down a "new" stretch of the famous Rogue River.  Our 100+ year old dam
was just removed...thank you tree-hugging, save everything but people,
baby-killing lefties...and this 39 year old along with his 13 year old son
went down a totally untested section of the river, lost control and all were
thrown out of the boat.  The boat came down on the pilot.  Did I mention the
boat was going 100 mph!!!.


  Anyway, watching this type of boat racing is quite exhilarating.  When
younger, I skied behind them...fun.


  Herb


  On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

         Now this looks like fun!!


                   First video is how it should be done....

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8

                   Second video is how it sometimes is done....

                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk
    __________________________________________




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From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 17:30:12 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] This is so wrong!
Message-ID: <666984.63392.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Believe it or not, nobody has put a muzzle on Bernie Ecclestone yet. After having publicly praised the likes of Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein, the Formula One chief has made headlines once again by characterizing the death of Ayrton Senna as "good for F1."



Clarifying his comments, Ecclestone noted that while it was
"unfortunate" to have lost the three-time world champion widely
remembered as history's greatest driver, the publicity his death
generated ultimately helped the sport attract new followers.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/21/in-bad-taste-ecclestone-calls-sennas-death-good-for-f1/

And then Bernie drove all those new followers away!

From John.Deikis at va.gov  Wed Oct 21 17:38:31 2009
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9402922389@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

Hard to imagine an Expedition with the big V8 had trouble with 6,000 lbs
of towing! I've been towing my Midget vintage racer behind my 3.3l
Caravan for the last 12 years. I don't think I could have ever done that
across the Sierras-could barely manage the Appalachians down to VIR. But
I just replaced it with a '96 F150 with the 302 and it feels like it
could pull a trailer up a tree in comparison. Obama gave me $4500 for my
275,000-mile van and I gave an original owner less than half that for
his cherry F150. Now I'm shopping for a glaspak muffler and a cowboy
hat!

JohnD



Message: 10

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:46:31 -0600

From: "JLC" <breton48 at live.com>

Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle - ramblings from JLC!

To: "'Spridgets'" <spridgets at autox.team.net>

Message-ID: <BLU134-DS423459916C4D8CDF2C828AFC10 at phx.gbl>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"



...By the way, I tried to tow the 18' deck trailer and the Bricklin with
the Expedition - OK on the flat, but the Expy had a real problem over
the mountains East of San Diego. I turned around and got the 1 ton
truck!

From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 21 18:02:23 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] This is so wrong!
In-Reply-To: <666984.63392.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <666984.63392.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ADFA10F.90407@justbrits.com>

<< And then Bernie drove all those new followers away! >>

What's 'new', Rick ??

How LONG has he been doing that (besides TOO long)??

Me

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 18:30:17 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:30:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] This is so wrong!
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References: <666984.63392.qm@web51401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4ADFA10F.90407@justbrits.com>
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So how do we engineer getting Bernie into an F1 car? That could be
"good for F1"...
David L

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 18:36:30 2009
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] This is so wrong!
In-Reply-To: <4ADFA10F.90407@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <900284.45457.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

F1 would be so much better if Senna was still with us and Bernie was not.

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com> wrote:

From: Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] This is so wrong!
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:02 PM

<< And then Bernie drove all those new followers away! >>

What's 'new', Rick ??

How LONG has he been doing that (besides TOO long)??

Me
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From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 21 19:54:38 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:54:38 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] This is so wrong!
In-Reply-To: <900284.45457.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <900284.45457.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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<< Bernie was not. >>

Seems to me Rick, that could cover the last 30 or 40
years ?!?!?

Or am I incorrect <G> ?!?

From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 21 20:56:44 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:56:44 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle
In-Reply-To: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9402922389@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
References: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9402922389@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
Message-ID: <4ADFC9EC.7080309@justbrits.com>

<< Now I'm shopping for a glaspak muffler and a cowboy hat! >>

GOTTA have a RIFLE and GUN RACK for rear window,
JD !!!!!

Requirement !!!

<G>

LAD

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 03:33:44 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:33:44 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] A quieter electric fuel pump found
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I'd be interested send me the pdf while I drool at your wheel site : )Lin

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Michael Lempert <mlempert at bellsouth.net>wrote:

> I'm at a point of restocking a pump I sell for the big Healeys and am
> wondering if I should also stock some of the models for Sprite. Would there
> be interest? These are German made H|co fuel pumps and are far superior to
> the usual cheap auto parts store choices, but they're priced higher too.  I
> would sell to listers for $85.  I have a PDF document for anyone who wants
> to see specs. Five year warranty.
>
> The big Healey version is identical in appearance and can be seen here:
> http://www.pbase.com/mdlempert/pump
>
> Regards,
> Mike Lempert
> http://www.lempertwheels.com
>
>
>
>  Hold it up!   I just discovered that the pressure from this pump is too
>> high.
>> I noticed seepage from the front carb after doing some test drives.
>>
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 03:40:50 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:40:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Donna Mae's viewing video
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You're the best thanks so much.RIP Donna Mae
Lin

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://kdka.com/video/?id=63814 at kdka.dayport.com
>
> Ron
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 04:03:07 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:03:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 20 years ago today
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Sounds cool Frank did anyone post pics of you guys & gals with your LBC's
and Victorian houses? Lin


On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

> 7 guys decided to form a British car club known as The Positive Earth
> Drivers Club.
> Well this past weekend, 6 of the 7 founding members and their spouses spent
> the weekend down in Cape May, NJ.
> It was a classic car club weekend.
> Northeast storm hammering away at the beaches, wind, rain, whiskey, wine,
> beer, and cars.
> 6 couples who met 20 years ago with British cars who have become life long
> friends.
> Great food, and old victorian house, lots of booze, stories, and even some
> car related videos like the Italian Job and the 1954 Fast and Furious.
> No jap cars in that flick ;)
> We had such a good time we think it will become an annual event.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 04:03:36 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:03:36 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 20 years ago today
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Hey Frank are you a founding member of that club?Lin

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sounds cool Frank did anyone post pics of you guys & gals with your LBC's
> and Victorian houses? Lin
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Frank <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> 7 guys decided to form a British car club known as The Positive Earth
>> Drivers Club.
>> Well this past weekend, 6 of the 7 founding members and their spouses
>> spent the weekend down in Cape May, NJ.
>> It was a classic car club weekend.
>> Northeast storm hammering away at the beaches, wind, rain, whiskey, wine,
>> beer, and cars.
>> 6 couples who met 20 years ago with British cars who have become life long
>> friends.
>> Great food, and old victorian house, lots of booze, stories, and even some
>> car related videos like the Italian Job and the 1954 Fast and Furious.
>> No jap cars in that flick ;)
>> We had such a good time we think it will become an annual event.
>>
>> --
>> Frank Clarici
>> Toms River, NJ
>> My own Fleet of Sprites
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 04:06:16 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:06:16 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye on Ebay with Trunk
In-Reply-To: <871592.16799.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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I saw that cool job : )Lin

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> A lovely example of old-world craftsmanship.
>
> jay fishbein
> wallingford, ct
>
> --- On Sun, 10/18/09, brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye on Ebay with Trunk
> To: "spridgets list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 10:56 AM
>
>
> Cheap too..
>
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 04:11:14 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:11:14 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of
 a 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home
In-Reply-To: <A5E95F34F0EF48BF9780176256240C91@OwnerPC>
References: <205cef430910170631v5dcb8a52rad69538657d35bb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5E95F34F0EF48BF9780176256240C91@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <205cef430910220311q2cdfbd25q30775c8521c99994@mail.gmail.com>

Cool,I saw the video very cool and this guy in the recliner is awesome too.
Lin

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

> Lin,
> Yes, she did it.  I didn't attend, but I have friends who did.  Haven't
> seen any photos of the procession, but the Washington (PA) Observer-Reporter
> (www.observer-reporter.com) published a photo of the Corvette in the
> funeral home, along with a few quotes from the funeral home operator.  As I
> mentioned, previously, I'll get a copy of the Steel Cities Drift (local SCCA
> region's newsletter) and see if I can send the article & photos to Spridget
> Talk.
> Bud Osbourne
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" <
> grunthaner at gmail.com>
> To: "Spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:31 AM
> Subject: [Spridgets] Mims' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a
> 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home
>
>
>
>  No way did she really do this? Way way too cool.....you go girl.....
>> " Per her wishes, *Mims*' body was seated behind the steering wheel of a
>> 1979 pink Corvette for visitation hours at the funeral home in McMurray,
>> Beinhauer said Sunday."
>>
>> Did anyone go? Does anyone have photos of the funeral procession of 60
>> Vetts? And her in the Vett?
>>
>>
>> http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12B4C29CD2E67C58&p_docnum=1
>> RIP Donna Mae
>> Lin

From 72spridget at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 06:49:40 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:49:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
Message-ID: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting line in the editorial of the December issue of Hemmings'
"Sports & Exotic Cars" ...

"There were pockets of genius, naturally, both in the automotive world
and in the world of music. 1981 marked the launch of the
second-generation Volkswagen Scirocco, as well as the debut of the Ray
Manzerek-produced album "Wild Gift" by the incredible Los Angeles punk
band X. But for the most part, 1981 stunk."

David L

From jfishbein at snet.net  Thu Oct 22 07:20:21 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:20:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <804471.52164.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

There was alot of great music in the eighties, but like most great things, it was not necessarily in the mainstream.

In fact we just lost one great 80's artist, Jim Carroll in September.

Jay Fishbein
Wallingford, CT

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:

But for the most part, 1981 stunk."

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 22 07:44:06 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:44:06 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <804471.52164.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W438913023060D713427726B8BE0@phx.gbl>

Didn't know that.



Ironic that a well known song of his was "people who died".



http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thebasketballdiaries/peoplewhodied.htm



His Catholic Boy album is on my 'wish list'.



He was multi-talented, wasn't he?  I wonder if he had an LBC?  ;)

> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:20:21 -0700

>
> There was alot of great music in the eighties, but like most great things,
it was not necessarily in the mainstream.
>
> In fact we just lost one great 80's artist, Jim Carroll in September.
>
> Jay Fishbein
> Wallingford, CT
>
> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But for the most part, 1981 stunk."

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 08:55:46 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <804471.52164.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
	<804471.52164.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090910220755w446bf001he627a32aa79ee46c@mail.gmail.com>

These were people who died....
I heard of Jim Carroll, through another "less than mainstream" band, The
Drive By Truckers.
They covered Jim Carroll's People Who Died" on their live album, Alabama Ass
Whuppin' (out of print, in case you were looking.) ;^)
You can hear both versions at the bottom of the article on this link
http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2009/09/14/jim-carroll-august-1-1950-september-11-2009/

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:

> There was alot of great music in the eighties, but like most great things,
> it was not necessarily in the mainstream.
>
> In fact we just lost one great 80's artist, Jim Carroll in September.
>
> Jay Fishbein
> Wallingford, CT
>
> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But for the most part, 1981 stunk."
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From jfishbein at snet.net  Thu Oct 22 09:07:57 2009
From: jfishbein at snet.net (Jay Fishbein)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910220755w446bf001he627a32aa79ee46c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487969.77729.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Jim Carroll is best known for that song, as well as The Basketball Diaries, but he wrote much more powerful material than that People Who Died.

jay fishbein
wallingford, ct

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com> wrote:
I heard of Jim Carroll, through another "less than mainstream" band, The Drive By Truckers.

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 10:19:18 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <550003.73296.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Manzerek-produced album "Wild Gift" by the incredible Los
> Angeles punkW

When I bought the album at "Records on the Roof" in Huntington NY after reading a review in NY Times, I never would have thought I'd be scaring the guitarist sh!tless on a racetrack 28 years later.

Ron

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 22 11:15:06 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:15:06 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Orange Silicone hose - downflow or crossflow
Message-ID: <c21.5b04ec78.3811ed1a@aol.com>

Hi list,
 
If anyone wants some Orange silicone hoses for their Spridget please e-mail 
 me off list.  Other colours will have to wait until the new year.
 
Regards
 
Weslake-Monza 1330

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct 22 13:04:22 2009
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:04:22 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-W438913023060D713427726B8BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C705FAC6.2184D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>  I wonder if he had an LBC?  ;)
 He wasn't.  I made an album with him in the eighties... I think he was
still trying to sell it when he died.

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 22 13:10:51 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <C705FA19.2184B%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <BAY112-W438913023060D713427726B8BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY112-W349FBBE408A156E7BE8574B8BE0@phx.gbl>

Good thing you didn't make more than one copy then!!

> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:01:29 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
> From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com

>
> > I wonder if he had an LBC? ;)
> He wasn't. I made an album with him in the eighties, I think he was still
> trying to sell it when he died.

From John.Deikis at va.gov  Thu Oct 22 15:14:35 2009
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Re; Tow vehicle
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA940601C5EA@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

CCW permit!

"Sure kid. I'll hand over my wallet. It's right here in the glove box...

Oops! Man, look at your face! That must really hurt!"

C-ya!

____



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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 19:40:05 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:40:05 -0500
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Please contact me off list.

Brad

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From b-evans at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 22 19:49:17 2009
From: b-evans at earthlink.net (Robert Evans)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:49:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Nanos catch fire after fault in steering column - Times
	Online
Message-ID: <009a01ca5383$08ce9d20$1a6bd760$@net>

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/
article6885105.ece 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 23 06:44:12 2009
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:44:12 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Haynes Manuals - no LBC
Message-ID: <BAY112-W462C22B7B13CC9B84FA18EB8BD0@phx.gbl>

I had thought that the Haynes "sex" manual was a joke, but it isn't.  They've
really gone beyond the car manuals.



http://preview.tinyurl.com/8afep



They also have a day planner type of book ( week views ) with the familiar
cover and cutaway pictures throughout the book.

From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 23 10:39:58 2009
From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:39:58 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Haynes Manuals - no LBC
Message-ID: <c4e.5d0f76a8.3813365e@aol.com>

They had to diversify since no-one buys car manuals for new models anymore  
do they?
 
In a message dated 23/10/2009 13:58:19 GMT Daylight Time,  
robertduquette at sympatico.ca writes:

I had  thought that the Haynes "sex" manual was a joke, but it isn't.   
They've
really gone beyond the car  manuals.



http://preview.tinyurl.com/8afep



They  also have a day planner type of book ( week views ) with the familiar
cover  and cutaway pictures throughout the book.

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Fri Oct 23 10:53:39 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] cutting wheels
Message-ID: <DBE80B877B5F478492890F3D68496DD0@Home>

Do cutting wheels have asbestos in them, so that we should be cautious about breathing cutting/grinding dust?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite
Long Island, NY

From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:01:20 2009
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:01:20 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!
Message-ID: <b777e2be0910231001v5654a915k3d8fe9cc11cd4acf@mail.gmail.com>

http://mansfield.craigslist.org/cto/1402355880.html


NFI, just ran across it...
-- 
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1960 Bugeye
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From nsliwinski at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:02:11 2009
From: nsliwinski at hotmail.com (Norbert Sliwinski)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:02:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Horn trouble
Message-ID: <BLU147-W310ABFDE8DC235186C73B3D6BD0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,



before I entirely loose my religion over this I am asking the group - how can
I  hook up one horn? The Midget I bought had two horns hooked up but nothing
worked! All the wires were painted, but I detremined the following: as per the
schematic I have 2 purple and 2 purple/black wires which are in parallel
connecting both horns- than I have one purple wire (always hot) and on purple
wire not hot. I installed a new Moto-Lita steering wheel. Trying to trace the
wire with a test lamp to the fuse did not get any results. How is the horn
wire connected down stream? Does it go thru the steering column? Also, since I
have jacked the front up I noticed a large oil puddle under the car - where
does that come from? I did not have any leaks when the car was level.



Norbert

'73 Midget

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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 11:07:08 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:07:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] cutting wheels
In-Reply-To: <DBE80B877B5F478492890F3D68496DD0@Home>
Message-ID: <284242.49453.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Did they come from China?

--- On Fri, 10/23/09, Michael Rowe <mdrowe at optonline.net> wrote:


From: Michael Rowe <mdrowe at optonline.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] cutting wheels
To: "Spridget Chat Group" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:53 AM


Do cutting wheels have asbestos in them, so that we should be cautious about
breathing cutting/grinding dust?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite
Long Island, NY
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Fri Oct 23 11:08:34 2009
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:08:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] caved in bumper mount
Message-ID: <037473E10693461FBE29908858CD5565@Home>

Today, I will finish my BE bottom pans with only a few minor glitches.  The biggest body work remaining is a caved in rear bumper mount.  It is well bondoed and looks fine on the outside, but the straightened backing bracket no longer fits and the turn signal light base is bent inward by about 1/2".  I can shim the bracket, but would really like to get the light base straightened if there is no danger of destroying the whole area.

I see three approaches.  First, pull/pound out the bumper area in hopes that the light base will move outward with it.  Second, bend the light base outward with a long board through-bolted with big washers and leave the bumper area to change as it will.  Third, make a long board through-bolted with big washers to both areas and lever the entire area outward.

What are your thoughts?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite kit
Long Island, NY

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 11:11:28 2009
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!
In-Reply-To: <b777e2be0910231001v5654a915k3d8fe9cc11cd4acf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531386.81576.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has that roof been chopped to give the illusion of width or is that in fact a
large car?  Looks Hudson-sized in the photo.
 
 - David

--- On Fri, 10/23/09, CosmicMag1380 <cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: CosmicMag1380 <cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 12:01 PM


http://mansfield.craigslist.org/cto/1402355880.html


NFI, just ran across it...
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1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...
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From 72spridget at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:20:43 2009
From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:20:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Horn trouble
In-Reply-To: <BLU147-W310ABFDE8DC235186C73B3D6BD0@phx.gbl>
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Norbert,
The purple wire is always hot, at the horn, you should see 12VDC from
the purple to the chassis.
The purple/black wire is switched ground. It comes from the steering
column and the horn button grounds it to make the horn work.

If you are seeing power at the purple, you should be able to connect
it to one side of a horn and ground the other terminal; if the horn is
working, it should make noise. If it does not make noise, try
loosening the locknut on the top of the horn, turning the screw in one
turn and then back to the starting point and locking the nut again.
This cleans the internal connection and frequently brings it back to
life.

If you do not see power from ground to purple, check the fuse (and the
fuse box) at the position that has a purple wire coming from it.

If the rest works, but the horn button does not, check the commutator
connection under the steering wheel (fun) as well as the "pencil" that
connects it to the horn push.

Be aware that one of the horns is the high note and the other is the
low note. Using just the high makes it virtually impossible for anyone
to be offended that you honked at them ;-)

Also be aware that they are supposed to be attached to the brackets
with a special set of shouldered plastic washers to isolate them from
earth. If this is not done, they go off continuously.
David L

From PAsgeirsson at att.net  Fri Oct 23 11:40:08 2009
From: PAsgeirsson at att.net (Paul Asgeirsson)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!
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Zowie!

If you think this has rust on the outside, wail 'til you look between the 2
(Yes, count them!) floorboards!

Makes you wonder what the car designers had in mind when they did that!

Later, Paul A

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Subject: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!


> http://mansfield.craigslist.org/cto/1402355880.html
>
>
> NFI, just ran across it...
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct 23 14:22:37 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:22:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Horn trouble
In-Reply-To: <BLU147-W310ABFDE8DC235186C73B3D6BD0@phx.gbl>
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I will guess the oil is running out of the rear crank oil seal.
...bill in oregon
==========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norbert Sliwinski
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:02 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Horn trouble

Hello all,

 . . .

Also, since I have jacked the front up I noticed a large oil puddle under
the car - where does that come from? I did not have any leaks when the car
was level.

Norbert   '73 Midget
_________________________________________________________________

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct 23 14:22:37 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:22:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] cutting wheels
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References: <DBE80B877B5F478492890F3D68496DD0@Home>
Message-ID: <38D500F16169433787824A585BBBFBE2@spider>

I will say no, especially if made in the US. They be carbide, and I avoid
breathing the dust. If there is a criss-cross of fiber in the backing, read
the label. ...bill
==============================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Rowe
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:54 AM
To: Spridget Chat Group
Subject: [Spridgets] cutting wheels

Do cutting wheels have asbestos in them, so that we should be cautious about
breathing cutting/grinding dust?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
'60 Sprite
Long Island, NY
_______________________________________________

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 16:23:55 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:23:55 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 1990 Your Classic magazine with Bugeye
Message-ID: <205cef430910231523u39d4425cxc8105b0dd7b01b59@mail.gmail.com>

List I just scanned an old magazine I just relocated with several pages of
the Bugeye, 1990 Your Classic. It has lots of info and pics as well as the
1958 Motor Magazine origional reprinted pages spec pages. The total size is
72 megs which I can't send but as I recall there was a site for LBC's that
can host these articles. Where is that site?
Lin

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 16:31:56 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:31:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] really nice 66 Sprite with Libres on craigslist
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Yes I agree I think they look outstanding on any square body Spridget but I
don't really like the look on the Bugeye. That car is sweet and if I only
had the room and extra cash it would be mine : )

Lin

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Edward Perez <eap2140 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  One of the sweetest looking ones I've seen....
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
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> *Sent:* Sat, October 10, 2009 12:10:42 PM
>
> *Subject:* [Spridgets] really nice 66 Sprite with Libres on craigslist
>
> Anyone know who this guy is? This is the same car I modeled my car with
> libre's on it.
> This is stunning.
> I emailed if he would sell me his Libre's but now I want his Sprite  : ) I
> asked for copies of his photos I really like the shots.
> Lin
>
> http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/1411884643.html
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 16:52:49 2009
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:52:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bonneville Salt Flats
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10910231552m70a7f267t643ca9c000929ad8@mail.gmail.com>

Reading through Decembers Hot Rod magazine.  Guess who's named in
"Holeshot"?

None other than our own Keith Turk.

Camaro's looking good Keith.

Herb...dreaming of going 250.
Grants Pass, Oregon

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:55:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] 1990 Your Classic magazine with Bugeye
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Ed's site.



On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>wrote:

> List I just scanned an old magazine I just relocated with several pages of
> the Bugeye, 1990 Your Classic. It has lots of info and pics as well as the
> 1958 Motor Magazine origional reprinted pages spec pages. The total size is
> 72 megs which I can't send but as I recall there was a site for LBC's that
> can host these articles. Where is that site?
> Lin
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:02:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] any trick to getting new 1973 midget
 drums over new shoes & wheel cylinders?
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If you purchased new wheel cylinders from Moss, you may have a problem.  It
wouldn't surprise me...since most sellers buy from the same sources...to
find the same problem with VB and others.

Recently, after having problems with four new front cylinders, we found the
size was different and mounting holes were drilled off-center.

Back cylinders were fine.

Check new against old....

I have pictures that will (eventually) get posted to 'flickr'.

Herb
Grants Pass, Oregon

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM, jc <jcancemi at triad.rr.com> wrote:

>
>
> I took the adjuster all the way back, tapped on wheel cylinder ends to get
> them compressed,tp on one side the other end sticks out more, prob some
> trapped air in there, prob have to release the bleeder, then the wheel
> cylinders will compress all the way. No fluid in the system yet.
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 17:35:49 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:35:49 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 1990 Your Classic magazine with Bugeye
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List & Ed
I was able to upload it to my Windows Live pic site let me know if you can
download from there. It is at the bottom of the page (12 pages long).
Enjoy,
Lin
http://tinyurl.com/dasc8j



On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:55 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ed's site.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> List I just scanned an old magazine I just relocated with several pages of
>> the Bugeye, 1990 Your Classic. It has lots of info and pics as well as the
>> 1958 Motor Magazine origional reprinted pages spec pages. The total size
>> is
>> 72 megs which I can't send but as I recall there was a site for LBC's that
>> can host these articles. Where is that site?
>> Lin
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From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 23 18:48:32 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:48:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1990 Your Classic magazine with Bugeye
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You forget ONE thing, Lin:

<<

 my Windows Live pic site 

 >>


Other than my Co. name, my site has ZERO 'advertising'<G>.

As a norm, I won't even consider those "free" sites for
JUST that reason ( the password required makes it even
WORSE ).  But that's just MHO <G> !

Ed

PS:  Tnx WFO !!
PPS:  And I like to think that I am 'polite' in that I EDIT the
"Reply All:" box so that folks do NOT get TWO 'replys' !!

From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 23 18:49:50 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:49:50 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Horn trouble
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<<

I will guess the oil is running out of the rear crank oil seal.

 >>

Agreed, Bill.  SOP.

Ed

From sales at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 23 20:11:54 2009
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:11:54 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FS: Standard Vanguard Panel Van 1955 original
	unrestored.]
Message-ID: <4AE2626A.1030607@justbrits.com>

Got this earlier today and looks PERFECT for either
Glen B. or LAD (or maybe DL to tow AutoX car and
haul separate AutoX tires/tools/etc.) !!!!

<< From Paul K. in Australia

This is so cool

http://cars2.ebay.com.au/Standard-Vanguard-Panel-Van-1955
-original-unrestore d_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ
260495504884  >>

OR 

*http://tinyurl.com/yfjp9f4*

<<Best,

Rick F.
British Car Network
Venice, CA >>

From spritenut at comcast.net  Fri Oct 23 20:17:30 2009
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Horn trouble
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Message-ID: <4AE263BA.5060008@comcast.net>

Norbert Sliwinski wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> before I entirely loose my religion over this I am asking the group - how can
> I  hook up one horn? 

Like others have said, check to make sure the horns work by hooking them 
up to 12 volts.
If so, and the fuse is good (and clean) check the wire under the dash at 
the steering column that hooks the horn wire to the steering wheel lead.
There is a bullet connector there, keep this connection in mind and 
accessible in the event your horn decides to start blowing for no reason 
while stuck at a light and a big burly guy is crossing the street   ;)   
unplug that wire from where you sit by reaching up under the dash.
I had to show Father Jack this maneuver  as his horn blew when it wanted 
on the Holy Sprite. But we did fix that.
Also a fresh painted steering column will make for a bad ground of the 
horn contact.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ
My own Fleet of Sprites

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 23 20:54:40 2009
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Speaking of wheel cylinders...
Message-ID: <4F60CCB360A24160B49BC8B42A411778@blackbox2>

Anybody out there who has converted a Bugeye to the later rear brakes with dual acting cylinders?

I ran into a minor issue when I did this. 

Basically when I was done swaping everythng over, the drums were locked up.  This was caused by the drums contacting
the backing plates.  I think the step on the nose of the axle housings is machined differently between the different years.
The doner axle in this case was a 74' with steel wheels.

I thought I might have missed something but I checked the manual and everything was put together correctly.
My resolution was to throw the drums on the lathe and remove about .020 from the back edge.

I also notice that the axle flanges get pretty darn close to the wheel cylinders in this setup.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 23 21:50:22 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:50:22 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FS: Standard Vanguard Panel Van 1955
 originalunrestored.]
In-Reply-To: <4AE2626A.1030607@justbrits.com>
References: <4AE2626A.1030607@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <796D5A41EF1045A68C6B9B30224D43E6@HomePC>

Don't know about Glen or David, but, IMHO, that sucker is ugly.

Now, if I ran across the van version of my A60 Ute, I'd have to strongly 
consider that.


LAD

So many cars that I want; so little room to keep them.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" <sales at justbrits.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:11 PM
To: "4 - Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] FS: Standard Vanguard Panel Van 1955 
originalunrestored.]

Got this earlier today and looks PERFECT for either
Glen B. or LAD (or maybe DL to tow AutoX car and
haul separate AutoX tires/tools/etc.) !!!!

<< From Paul K. in Australia

This is so cool

http://cars2.ebay.com.au/Standard-Vanguard-Panel-Van-1955
-original-unrestore d_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ
260495504884  >>

OR

*http://tinyurl.com/yfjp9f4*

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British Car Network
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From racerbob70 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 22:00:30 2009
From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] FS: Standard Vanguard Panel Van 1955
 originalunrestored.]
In-Reply-To: <796D5A41EF1045A68C6B9B30224D43E6@HomePC>
Message-ID: <232215.68250.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Reminds me of an early 50s Plymouth front end......

--- On Fri, 10/23/09, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FS: Standard Vanguard Panel Van 1955
originalunrestored.]
To: sales at justbrits.com, "4 - Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:50 PM


Don't know about Glen or David, but, IMHO, that sucker is ugly.

Now, if I ran across the van version of my A60 Ute, I'd have to strongly
consider that.


LAD

So many cars that I want; so little room to keep them.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" <sales at justbrits.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:11 PM
To: "4 - Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] FS: Standard Vanguard Panel Van 1955
originalunrestored.]

Got this earlier today and looks PERFECT for either
Glen B. or LAD (or maybe DL to tow AutoX car and
haul separate AutoX tires/tools/etc.) !!!!

<< From Paul K. in Australia

This is so cool

http://cars2.ebay.com.au/Standard-Vanguard-Panel-Van-1955
-original-unrestore d_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ
260495504884  >>

OR

*http://tinyurl.com/yfjp9f4*

<<Best,

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British Car Network
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 22:12:12 2009
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:12:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Tow vehicle shopping a bit
In-Reply-To: <496017.35712.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <454628.84607.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the many replies. Although I did not ask for recommendations, I got tens of them. Per the responses, it seems the best vehicles for this purpose are made by Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan, Hummer and Volvo truck. I didn;t make it clear that my truck hauls 5000+ pounds of 18 ft enclosed trailer with extended height, so the Chrysler minivan suggestions were dismissed.

The rental car people were really nice and triple upgraded me to a 4x4 Chevy Silverado with quad cab, and I must say the thing is exceedingly comfortable and appropriately mannered. I never thought of myself as a Chevy dude, but just maybe with a 2500 diesel. The '02 F-150 is repairable, so if anyone wants a sweeeeeet deal on a recently whacked car that drives and will look perfect, holler ;-).

Ron

--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wow, some are really good (the F-150
> active sway control? You gotta be shpittin' me!). But I
> think I want a big honking SUV for a tow vehicle. something
> with senseless amounts of leather and backup cameras and
> heated everything and endless features that will all fail in
> 3 years like Porasik's Suburban. If anyone out there has a
> 2006+ Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon or Expedition to sell, I'm
> interested. 'specially in the newer ones that get 20MPG
> highway. I will include a 1978 Alfa Spider in trade towards
> the total if you like. Your location is not terribly
> important. Oh, and make it by this weekend so I can tow the
> car to Blackhawk!!!!!!!!!

From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 23:32:57 2009
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:32:57 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Speaking of wheel cylinders...
In-Reply-To: <4F60CCB360A24160B49BC8B42A411778@blackbox2>
References: <4F60CCB360A24160B49BC8B42A411778@blackbox2>
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Dean Hedin <dlh2001 at comcast.net> wrote:
Anybody out there who has converted a Bugeye to the later rear brakes with
dual acting cylinders?

I used the parts from a 67 and had no issues at all...
-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sat Oct 24 04:22:26 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:22:26 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910220755w446bf001he627a32aa79ee46c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
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	<e98d88090910220755w446bf001he627a32aa79ee46c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C63E96C-262E-41B0-9A21-13D462E1CC25@phillymgclub.com>

FWIW, several of the Drive-By Truckers albums are available on iTunes. Not the
live one though.

Larry

On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Brad Fornal wrote:

> These were people who died....
> I heard of Jim Carroll, through another "less than mainstream" band, The
> Drive By Truckers.
> They covered Jim Carroll's People Who Died" on their live album, Alabama
Ass
> Whuppin' (out of print, in case you were looking.) ;^)
> You can hear both versions at the bottom of the article on this link
>
http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2009/09/14/jim-carroll-august-1-1950-septembe
r-11-2009/
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jay Fishbein <jfishbein at snet.net> wrote:
>
>> There was alot of great music in the eighties, but like most great things,
>> it was not necessarily in the mainstream.
>>
>> In fact we just lost one great 80's artist, Jim Carroll in September.
>>
>> Jay Fishbein
>> Wallingford, CT
>>
>> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> But for the most part, 1981 stunk."
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78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a parked car.

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sat Oct 24 04:33:23 2009
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:33:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Horn trouble
In-Reply-To: <BLU147-W310ABFDE8DC235186C73B3D6BD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU147-W310ABFDE8DC235186C73B3D6BD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E38FB362-68E6-4AA8-AC2C-997DE74ADDEA@phillymgclub.com>

Well, I am not going to tackle the horn issue. I just don't do anything except
follow the diagram ;-)

As for the oil, it is likely from one of two places. Since you only said under
the car and not where under the car, my guesses are rear main seal (would be
between the transmission and the engine) or the rear tranny seal (at the end
of the tunnel where the drive shaft comes out.

Best (worst) part?? Neither can be fixed in the car. Engine has to come out,
and mayhaps the transmission as well.

Hope that helps. But doesn't hurt too much.

Larry

On Oct 23, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Norbert Sliwinski wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> before I entirely loose my religion over this I am asking the group - how
can
> I  hook up one horn? The Midget I bought had two horns hooked up but
nothing
> worked! All the wires were painted, but I detremined the following: as per
the
> schematic I have 2 purple and 2 purple/black wires which are in parallel
> connecting both horns- than I have one purple wire (always hot) and on
purple
> wire not hot. I installed a new Moto-Lita steering wheel. Trying to trace
the
> wire with a test lamp to the fuse did not get any results. How is the horn
> wire connected down stream? Does it go thru the steering column? Also, since
I
> have jacked the front up I noticed a large oil puddle under the car - where
> does that come from? I did not have any leaks when the car was level.
>
>
>
> Norbert
>
> '73 Midget
>
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Keep your top down and your chin up.

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Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a parked car.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 05:39:03 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:39:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 1990 Your Classic magazine with Bugeye
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090910231925m3b4d3e28k932c555830045a57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430910231523u39d4425cxc8105b0dd7b01b59@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ad6c6b10910231555o2eccc637k482b273714f0ca7f@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910231635k7278ed26ua1ef0f1c0760c32b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e98d88090910231925m3b4d3e28k932c555830045a57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910240439l3aacc12coe92c846c7f082f32@mail.gmail.com>

Brad or anyone having trouble connection try this it is the full address:

*
http://cid-90f360085f3b2026.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/58%20Bugeye%20Sprite%207267
*


or this again

*http://tinyurl.com/dasc8j*




On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com>wrote:

> The link doesn't work...
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> List & Ed
>> I was able to upload it to my Windows Live pic site let me know if you can
>> download from there. It is at the bottom of the page (12 pages long).
>> Enjoy,
>> Lin
>> http://tinyurl.com/dasc8j
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:55 PM, WFO Herb <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ed's site.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> List I just scanned an old magazine I just relocated with several pages
>> of
>> >> the Bugeye, 1990 Your Classic. It has lots of info and pics as well as
>> the
>> >> 1958 Motor Magazine origional reprinted pages spec pages. The total
>> size
>> >> is
>> >> 72 megs which I can't send but as I recall there was a site for LBC's
>> that
>> >> can host these articles. Where is that site?
>> >> Lin
>> >> _____________________________________________
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 05:55:05 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!
In-Reply-To: <b777e2be0910231001v5654a915k3d8fe9cc11cd4acf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b777e2be0910231001v5654a915k3d8fe9cc11cd4acf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910240455l41f33eb1u954f5e6b17b53fee@mail.gmail.com>

Not very attractive. I couldn't find a picture on line of what it looked
like so I could be a better judge. Anyone find one?

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, CosmicMag1380 <cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com>wrote:

> http://mansfield.craigslist.org/cto/1402355880.html
>
>
> NFI, just ran across it...
> --
> Kent
> 1960 Bugeye
> 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sat Oct 24 06:21:24 2009
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:21:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!
In-Reply-To: <205cef430910240455l41f33eb1u954f5e6b17b53fee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b777e2be0910231001v5654a915k3d8fe9cc11cd4acf@mail.gmail.com>
	<205cef430910240455l41f33eb1u954f5e6b17b53fee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498682192C1D46FD942F6B68F717F52C@spider>

You'll need the hood ornament.

flickr.com/photos/lotus07/3341640246/

 

Maybe 1948

flickr.com/photos/gjhsu/2896316820

 

1954

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Austin_A30_1954.jpg

 

from 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_(car)#1939_-_1958:_The_war_years_and_aft
erwards

 

 . . . bill in Oregon

 

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:55 AM
To: CosmicMag1380
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A-90 for Frank to restore - Cheap!

 

Not very attractive. I couldn't find a picture on line of what it looked

like so I could be a better judge. Anyone find one?

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, CosmicMag1380
<cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com>wrote:

 

> http://mansfield.craigslist.org/cto/1402355880.html

> 

> 

> NFI, just ran across it...

> --

> Kent

> 1960 Bugeye

> 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

> _______________________________________________

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 06:29:35 2009
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:29:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430910240529x1218dc06v195c35132f7849c1@mail.gmail.com>

Wow I love punk this is a cool band I don't recall thanks for hooking me up
to new vintage music. Looking for their music as we speak.
Lin

Is our Billy Zoom "The" Billy Zoom of X? Born Tyson Kindell?  Boy wouldn't
that be cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Zoom

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:49 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting line in the editorial of the December issue of Hemmings'
> "Sports & Exotic Cars" ...
>
> "There were pockets of genius, naturally, both in the automotive world
> and in the world of music. 1981 marked the launch of the
> second-generation Volkswagen Scirocco, as well as the debut of the Ray
> Manzerek-produced album "Wild Gift" by the incredible Los Angeles punk
> band X. But for the most part, 1981 stunk."
>
> David L
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 06:33:56 2009
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:33:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hemmings Quote...
In-Reply-To: <4C63E96C-262E-41B0-9A21-13D462E1CC25@phillymgclub.com>
References: <402188520910220549p174ae895kc0e1a38701ad8e98@mail.gmail.com>
	<804471.52164.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<e98d88090910220755w446bf001he627a32aa79ee46c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C63E96C-262E-41B0-9A21-13D462E1CC25@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090910240533t60befc03i111f7bbed10955f4@mail.gmail.com>

Alabama Ass Whuppin' was put out on the Second Heaven Music label. For some
reason, there have been legal issues between the Truckers and the label,
preventing re-release. This makes this CD *HIGHLY *sought after, and quite
valuable when it hits eBay, bringing well over $100 most auctions.
On a similar note, while out looking at yard sales yesterday, I found The
Basketball Diaries on DVD. I have not watched it yet, but plan to soon...

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> FWIW, several of the Drive-By Truckers albums are available on iTunes. Not
> the live one though.
>
> Larry
>
> On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Brad Fornal wrote:
>
> These were people who died....
> I heard of Jim Carroll, through another "less than mainstream" band, The
> Drive By Truckers.
> They covered Jim Carroll's People Who Died" on their live album, Alabama
> Ass
> Whuppin' (out of print, in case you were looking.) ;^)
> You can hear both versions at the bottom of the article on this link
>