From kramer.allen at comcast.net Sun Mar 1 08:04:29 2009 From: kramer.allen at comcast.net (kramer.allen at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - However Beware In-Reply-To: <1879606652.1364561235919723795.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <677747628.1365571235919869933.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I found this surfing the web and thought I should put out a warning to the list. http://www.formatconversion.com/beforeconversionofphotoscreenshot.html From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 09:43:54 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:43:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - However Beware In-Reply-To: <677747628.1365571235919869933.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <211515.65209.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great - it was bad enough already with all the sick puppies wandering the streets looking for trouble... - David --- On Sun, 3/1/09, kramer.allen at comcast.net wrote: From: kramer.allen at comcast.net Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - However Beware To: "spridgets" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 9:04 AM I found this surfing the web and thought I should put out a warning to the list. http://www.formatconversion.com/beforeconversionofphotoscreenshot.html You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kgb at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 1 10:35:37 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:35:37 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - However Beware In-Reply-To: <211515.65209.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <211515.65209.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49AAC769.6010000@frontiernet.net> Don't worry. You're all perfectly safe. That was my Clyde when he was a kitten, learning how to back up the dogs. He's an indoor only kitty. Kate David Booker wrote: > Great - it was bad enough already with all the sick puppies wandering the > streets looking for trouble... > - David > > --- On Sun, 3/1/09, kramer.allen at comcast.net > wrote: > > From: kramer.allen at comcast.net > Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - However Beware > To: "spridgets" > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 9:04 AM > > I found this surfing the web and thought I should put out a warning to the > list. > > > > > > http://www.formatconversion.com/beforeconversionofphotoscreenshot.html > You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jimndi at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 1 11:10:40 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:10:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Su Cleaner Message-ID: <418BC88E282947A59D8DA088E7D06FC6@MAINCOMPUTER> A few years ago I bought a 2 gallon can of carb cleaner. This is some fairly caustic stuff and I have used it to soak the old tromberg 97's . It does a good job on them. Can I use this stuff on SUs after disassembly? I'm not going to buy my kids an Encyclopedia, Let them walk to school like I had to. Yogi Berra From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Mar 1 12:01:43 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:01:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Su Cleaner In-Reply-To: <418BC88E282947A59D8DA088E7D06FC6@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <418BC88E282947A59D8DA088E7D06FC6@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <36D9B357B8F748BA950C64B1B26AF8CF@spider> Yes. Cleaner is not carb specific. Just don't leave it in there too long. I etched a VW case once that way. ...bill in oregon ===================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim F. Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:11 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Su Cleaner A few years ago I bought a 2 gallon can of carb cleaner. This is some fairly caustic stuff and I have used it to soak the old Stromberg 97's . It does a good job on them. Can I use this stuff on SU's after disassembly? From jimndi at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 1 12:14:19 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Generator swap Message-ID: Changing the old generator in favor of an Alternator. Having trouble obtaining a Bosch #13107( Ford Fiesta), Locally. Is there a better, more modern, one wire Alternator that can be used? does anyone have any suggestions? I'm not going to buy my kids an Encyclopedia, Let them walk to school like I had to. Yogi Berra From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 1 13:24:39 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:24:39 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Generator swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AAEF07.2030806@comcast.net> Jim F. wrote: > Changing the old generator in favor of an Alternator. Having trouble obtaining > a Bosch #13107( Ford Fiesta), Locally. Is there a better, more modern, one > wire Alternator that can be used? does anyone have any suggestions? > > > That is Ford Festiva, not Fiesta. The Festiva used a very small Mitsubitchi alternator. Many will work, the GM alternator works but it's 1/2 the size of the engine and just looks weird. Mazda RX7 and lots of other jap car alts will work. The main concern is the location of the mounting ears, the front mounting ears need to be 180* across just like the generator ears. I have used many different junk yard alternators, I doubt I have 2 the same with 4 or 5 LBCs on the road in the family. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From jimndi at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 1 13:27:06 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:27:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Generator swap References: <49AAEF07.2030806@comcast.net> Message-ID: <592F8568B8CF4731B80D163D35B23066@MAINCOMPUTER> Thanks Frank , That should help . And now I have to change my Tach as well. is the later model sprite tach the same size as my mechanical tach? . I'm not going to buy my kids an Encyclopedia, Let them walk to school like I had to. Yogi Berra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clarici" To: "Jim F." Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Generator swap > Jim F. wrote: >> Changing the old generator in favor of an Alternator. Having trouble >> obtaining >> a Bosch #13107( Ford Fiesta), Locally. Is there a better, more modern, >> one >> wire Alternator that can be used? does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> >> > That is Ford Festiva, not Fiesta. The Festiva used a very small > Mitsubitchi alternator. > Many will work, the GM alternator works but it's 1/2 the size of the > engine and just looks weird. > Mazda RX7 and lots of other jap car alts will work. > The main concern is the location of the mounting ears, the front > mounting ears need to be 180* across just like the generator ears. > I have used many different junk yard alternators, I doubt I have 2 the > same with 4 or 5 LBCs on the road in the family. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1978 - Release Date: 03/01/09 07:04:00 From hammack at GotSlack.org Sun Mar 1 13:45:25 2009 From: hammack at GotSlack.org (Jim Hammack) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:45:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Generator swap In-Reply-To: <49AAEF07.2030806@comcast.net> References: <49AAEF07.2030806@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49AAF3E5.3000703@GotSlack.org> Jim, My '67 has a GM alternator you can (almost) see here: http://gotslack.org/hammack/67midget/Slide_Show/p2070017.html Doesn't look *too* weird. Jim Frank Clarici wrote: > Jim F. wrote: >> Changing the old generator in favor of an Alternator. Having trouble >> obtaining >> a Bosch #13107( Ford Fiesta), Locally. Is there a better, more >> modern, one >> wire Alternator that can be used? does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> >> > That is Ford Festiva, not Fiesta. The Festiva used a very small > Mitsubitchi alternator. > Many will work, the GM alternator works but it's 1/2 the size of the > engine and just looks weird. > Mazda RX7 and lots of other jap car alts will work. > The main concern is the location of the mounting ears, the front > mounting ears need to be 180* across just like the generator ears. > I have used many different junk yard alternators, I doubt I have 2 the > same with 4 or 5 LBCs on the road in the family. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 1 17:28:54 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:28:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Su Cleaner In-Reply-To: <418BC88E282947A59D8DA088E7D06FC6@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: > A few years ago I bought a 2 gallon can of carb cleaner. This is some fairly > caustic stuff and I have used it to soak the old tromberg 97's . It does a > good job on them. Can I use this stuff on SUs after disassembly? Better to smuggle it into the Peoples Republic of California. It's been illegal here for years. I'm sure you could get plenty for it. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 17:53:56 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:53:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite Message-ID: I sent a link to the site where the Drag Sprite file is hosted. Did any of you have any problems with the sound on the video? Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 19:45:45 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:45:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <320407.98088.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Brad Fornal wrote:"Did any of you have any problems with the sound on the video?" Brad, Yes there was a big problem with the audio. When you fired up the engine, it sounded a lot like a small block Chevy with a big cam. Never heard a 1098 or even a full race 1275 that sounded quite like that before. Something's obviously off with the audio. Your video camera lens also must be a bit distorted as the car sems to have strangely lengthened itself about18 inches in the middle. Coincidently, a big Texas wind must have blown thru during the filming because all kinds of dust and debris blew out from under the car at about the point when you blipped the gas... David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From: Brad Fornal Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite To: "Spridget list" , "Yahoo Spridget list" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 6:53 PM I sent a link to the site where the Drag Sprite file is hosted. Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 20:10:26 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:10:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite In-Reply-To: <320407.98088.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <320407.98088.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cool, so everything is good..... On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:45 PM, David Booker wrote: > > > --- On *Sun, 3/1/09, Brad Fornal * wrote:"Did any > of > you have any problems with the sound on the video?" > > Brad, > Yes there was a big problem with the audio. When you fired up the engine, > it sounded a lot like a small block Chevy with a big cam. Never heard a > 1098 or even a full race 1275 that sounded quite like that before. > Something's obviously off with the audio. Your video camera lens also must > be a bit distorted as the car sems to have strangely lengthened itself > about18 inches in the middle. > > Coincidently, a big Texas wind must have blown thru during the > filming because all kinds of dust and debris blew out from under the car at > about the point when you blipped the gas... > > David Booker > '71 Midget > Long Island > > From: Brad Fornal > Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite > To: "Spridget list" , "Yahoo Spridget list" < > midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 6:53 PM > > I sent a link to the site where the Drag Sprite file is hosted. > Brad > > -- > DON JULIO 1942 > www.myspace.com/tequilabrad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com > http://www.team.net/archive > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 20:37:15 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:37:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <857396.50135.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah - sounds great! --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Brad Fornal wrote: From: Brad Fornal Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Cc: "Spridget list" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 9:10 PM Cool, so everything is good..... On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:45 PM, David Booker wrote: --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Brad Fornal wrote:"Did any of you have any problems with the sound on the video?" Brad, Yes there was a big problem with the audio. When you fired up the engine, it sounded a lot like a small block Chevy with a big cam. Never heard a 1098 or even a full race 1275 that sounded quite like that before. Something's obviously off with the audio. Your video camera lens also must be a bit distorted as the car sems to have strangely lengthened itself about18 inches in the middle. Coincidently, a big Texas wind must have blown thru during the filming because all kinds of dust and debris blew out from under the car at about the point when you blipped the gas... David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From: Brad Fornal Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite To: "Spridget list" , "Yahoo Spridget list" Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 6:53 PM I sent a link to the site where the Drag Sprite file is hosted. Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 1 21:21:51 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet Message-ID: <49AB5EDF.40504@comcast.net> Of my own! With 2 Sprites and an Austin A40 on the road at my house, my Son's 58 Sprite and now with major progress on my daughter's 59 Sprite, I thought I was good for awhile. Well I just bought a 69 Sprite that has been sitting for 32 years. It's a nice surviver but will need all the usual bits like brakes, shocks, front end stuff, hoses and a paint job. At least this one has decent seats but no one has sat on them since 1977 so that may change too. My big Healey had perfect seats too when I bought it. then I sat on one and it shredded and proceeded to fall through the floor. So as of now there are 4 Sprites in the family, 3 out at the storage coop, and one I have to pick up once the snow stops. Is 9 Sprites enough? And let's not forget the A40, TEN LBCs! I am now a fleet owner. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 21:25:05 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:25:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903012025m669c594eg597ad94a6ad3c3e8@mail.gmail.com> Only problem I saw was that file was named "Drag Sprite.*MOV*", yet the car didn't appear to MOVe at all! From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 1 21:25:38 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Nope, Brad !!! David SAID and I: When you fired up the engine, AND ...when you blipped the gas... So either you have had a LOT of plastic surgery or............. LMAO, pal !! From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 1 21:35:35 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:35:35 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet In-Reply-To: <49AB5EDF.40504@comcast.net> References: <49AB5EDF.40504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <776876452.20090301203535@pacifier.com> Hello Frank, One of two things can happen now... 1) you get the fleet discount for insurance 2) authorities make you get a "DEALER" license. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Misspelled? Impossible. My modem is error correcting. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 1 21:50:18 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:50:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Drag Sprite In-Reply-To: <857396.50135.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It sounds like two Sprites sharing a flat-top cam. From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 05:08:01 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:08:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet In-Reply-To: <49AB5EDF.40504@comcast.net> References: <49AB5EDF.40504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903020408p4651ac6dwf7107e431c6cb95c@mail.gmail.com> Never enough : ) Lin On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Frank Clarici wrote: > Of my own! > With 2 Sprites and an Austin A40 on the road at my house, my Son's 58 > Sprite and now with major progress on my daughter's 59 Sprite, I thought I > was good for awhile. > Well I just bought a 69 Sprite that has been sitting for 32 years. It's a > nice surviver but will need all the usual bits like brakes, shocks, front > end stuff, hoses and a paint job. At least this one has decent seats but no > one has sat on them since 1977 so that may change too. > My big Healey had perfect seats too when I bought it. then I sat on one and > it shredded and proceeded to fall through the floor. > So as of now there are 4 Sprites in the family, 3 out at the storage coop, > and one I have to pick up once the snow stops. > Is 9 Sprites enough? And let's not forget the A40, TEN LBCs! I am now a > fleet owner. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 05:10:11 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:10:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - However Beware In-Reply-To: <677747628.1365571235919869933.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1879606652.1364561235919723795.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <677747628.1365571235919869933.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903020410q7b35f54j130645ed2fccb930@mail.gmail.com> Sniper Kitty......cool. Lin On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, wrote: > I found this surfing the web and thought I should put out a warning to the > list. > > > > > http://www.formatconversion.com/beforeconversionofphotoscreenshot.html > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 05:21:59 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] New Owner of a Sprite! #HAN7L38284 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430903020421k7364dbf1ma10c2c8931330ce7@mail.gmail.com> Congrats Rick do you have a photo to show us? Lin On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > Our mutual friend and fellow President of the Sprite & Midget Club, BillM, > called last week to tell me about a '63 Sprite languishing in the garage of > someone he works with. > He asked if I might be interested in it, and of course I was. > > So today I went and met the (now) previous owner. > Real nice guy, we talked cars and telescopes and kids and came down to it > and I asked what he wanted to get for the car. > Turns out the answer was exactly the amount I had brought with me. > So we exchanged paper. > > I'm now the proud new owner of HAN7L38284. > Now where do I go to figure out how that VIN decodes? > > The body is in great shape, under and over all great except... > > Brian got the car in 1979, the PO before him had some sort of V8 or > something in there that required a huge hood scoop. > The thing looks like a BUICK!!! > > That's OK - I have 2 hoods here already so I can get one painted red and > bolt it right on there. > Now it has a nice 948 in it with dual SU's. SWEET!!! > > Oh, the car is Jalapeno Red. That the actual paint code, don't know what > it's originally for. > > It has a serviceable soft top and side curtains. > Needs new rubber seals, under the windshield etc. > Has seats that look like they are from a 79 Midget. They HAVE to go. > Has aftermarket 70's looking steering wheel. It HAS to go. > > I'd really like original seats & steering wheel in there and I'll be > putting > a proper bonnet on it ASAP. > > If anyone has some original seats they want to get rid of, or steering > wheel, send me an email. > > I just bought this on Ebay Australia: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=310125150173 > So I guess the front bonnet badge with the wings can be had once in a > while, > if you are looking for one remember to check the ebay.com.au and > ebay.co.uksites as well as the normal > ebay.com > > The car will be delivered most likely in about a week. > > Rick (with that new lbc silly grin) Bastedo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 05:25:52 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:25:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Cute Kitty - NLBC In-Reply-To: <568345.72154.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <568345.72154.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903020425k2d36de59te1f743aafc637b4e@mail.gmail.com> Guess you don't have to worry about anyone steeling this kitty, I'm sure it is a sweet cat I see a smile in there ; ) Lin On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rick Neville wrote: > Ugliest Wheel Chock candidate: > > http://www.thebostonchannel.com/slideshow/mostpopular/18814277/detail.html > > HR > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 2 08:19:05 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: If My Body was a Car Message-ID: <8ED562413FA947EFA0E5B1711976537E@MAINCOMPUTER> A little humor for a crummy monday. I'm not going to buy my kids an Encyclopedia, Let them walk to school like I had to. Yogi Berra ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Chevalier To: njuliebell at aol.com ; Allen ; Allison Chin ; Always Clear Glass ; Barbara LaBombard ; Bobbi Ulloa ; Brad Lambert ; Elizabeth Rose ; Jim Fournier ; Joanna Dominy ; Joanne Mallett ; karen ; Marilyn Bell ; Mark Arnold ; Mary Ann Greem ; MATT BRELOSKI ; Pat Tom ; Patti J. Roberts ; Rich Selk ; Robbie ; Sharon and Dave ; steve labombard ; Theresa Chevalier Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: Fw: If My Body was a Car ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Betty Vallier To: Wanda Douglas ; Debbie Fay ; Judy Gunderson ; Marianna Grinzafi ; Lisa Caringello ; Kathy Chevalier ; Bill & Phyl Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 5:57:17 PM Subject: If My Body was a Car If my body were a car, this is the time I would be thinking about trading it in for a newer model. I've got bumps and dents and scratches in my finish, and my paint job is getting a little dull ... But that's not the worst of it. My headlights are out of focus, and it's especially hard to see things up close. My traction is not as graceful as it once was. I slip and slide and skid and bump into things, even in the best of weather. My whitewalls are stained with varicose veins. It takes me hours to reach my maximum speed. My fuel rate burns inefficiently. But here's the worst of it -- Almost every time I sneeze, cough or laugh.... either my radiator leaks or my exhaust backfires! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 08:37:13 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:37:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Flounder's mail addy.. Message-ID: I would like to support the work crew financially but I need a mail addy. Send privately if need be, Lester From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 08:41:20 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:41:20 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite Winged Bonnet Emblem Message-ID: I have started looking for a winged Sprite emblem photo on the web, but to no avail. I am finding the Bugeye emblem, and the Big Healey emblem, but no winged emblem. Anyone have a photo of one they would/could send me? Also, since I am stuck at work, can someone give me the wingspan on the emblem? I will have it blown up double, but need to know where to start for size. Thanks to all that can help. Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Mon Mar 2 09:09:48 2009 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:09:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet Message-ID: <1a5fa01c99b51$4fa80f00$116a010a@mail2world.com> At least yours all take pretty much the same parts. I've got 3 at the garage (the Midget, the Cosworth, the BMW), and 3 in the driveway (the Ranger, the Tercel, and the new WRX). I nearly bought another E30 318i on Saturday, but sanity prevailed, and I'm spending the money on the current fleet instead. :) -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> >From: Frank Clarici [spritenut at comcast.net] >Sent: 3/1/2009 11:22:51 PM >To: spridgets at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet > >Of my own! >With 2 Sprites and an Austin A40 on the road at my house, my Son's 58 >Sprite and now with major progress on my daughter's 59 Sprite, I thought >I was good for awhile. >Well I just bought a 69 Sprite that has been sitting for 32 years. It's >a nice surviver but will need all the usual bits like brakes, shocks, >front end stuff, hoses and a paint job. At least this one has decent >seats but no one has sat on them since 1977 so that may change too. >My big Healey had perfect seats too when I bought it. then I sat on one >and it shredded and proceeded to fall through the floor. >So as of now there are 4 Sprites in the family, 3 out at the storage >coop, and one I have to pick up once the snow stops. >Is 9 Sprites enough? And let's not forget the A40, TEN LBCs! I am now a >fleet owner. > >-- >Frank Clarici >Toms River, NJ >_______________________________________________ From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Mar 2 10:04:47 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:04:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet Message-ID: <200903021704.n22H4lJl011174@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> Frank, All you need now to finish filling the Sprite tree of ancestors is a nice A35. Hmmmmm. Glen > Of my own! > With 2 Sprites and an Austin A40 on the road at my house, my Son's 58 > Sprite and now with major progress on my daughter's 59 Sprite, I thought > I was good for awhile. > Well I just bought a 69 Sprite that has been sitting for 32 years. It's > a nice surviver but will need all the usual bits like brakes, shocks, > front end stuff, hoses and a paint job. At least this one has decent > seats but no one has sat on them since 1977 so that may change too. > My big Healey had perfect seats too when I bought it. then I sat on one > and it shredded and proceeded to fall through the floor. > So as of now there are 4 Sprites in the family, 3 out at the storage > coop, and one I have to pick up once the snow stops. > Is 9 Sprites enough? And let's not forget the A40, TEN LBCs! I am now a > fleet owner. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Mar 2 10:13:25 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet References: <200903021704.n22H4lJl011174@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <5BA0484F1D0D4CB5809492AE709E8DA5@NilesAD.von.gov> > All you need now to finish filling the Sprite tree of ancestors is a nice > A35. Hmmmmm. And an Austin Seven... Perhaps a Cambridge Special? From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 10:23:58 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:23:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] We have trunions? Message-ID: <205cef430903020923h54a7a438i4e142ea10b239921@mail.gmail.com> List, While stuck here in the city without my Sprite books I'm checking out other Sprite projects and came across this one. I thought our Sprites didn't have trunions? I replaced trunions on my 68 Spitfire 30 years ago and they cost $40. then, I thought they had a different name on the Sprites anyone know what they are called? Spritespot: http://www.spritespot.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Bugzy59Sprite&id=IMG_2110 Lin From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 10:33:56 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:33:56 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet In-Reply-To: <200903021704.n22H4lJl011174@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> References: <200903021704.n22H4lJl011174@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <49AC1884.7080100@comcast.net> Glen Byrns wrote: > Frank, > > All you need now to finish filling the Sprite tree of ancestors is a nice > A35. Hmmmmm. > > I have an eye out, but it has to be the convertable model. > -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 10:34:16 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:34:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] We have trunions? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903020923h54a7a438i4e142ea10b239921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <151024.50833.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you talking about kingpins? --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Linda Grunthaner wrote: From: Linda Grunthaner Subject: [Spridgets] We have trunions? To: "spridgets" Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:23 AM List, While stuck here in the city without my Sprite books I'm checking out other Sprite projects and came across this one. I thought our Sprites didn't have trunions? I replaced trunions on my 68 Spitfire 30 years ago and they cost $40. then, I thought they had a different name on the Sprites anyone know what they are called? Spritespot: http://www.spritespot.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Bugzy59Sprite&id=IMG_2110 Lin You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 10:38:50 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:38:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] We have trunions? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903020923h54a7a438i4e142ea10b239921@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903020923h54a7a438i4e142ea10b239921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AC19AA.6020302@comcast.net> Linda Grunthaner wrote: > I thought our Sprites didn't have trunions? The top shock arm knuckle is called the trunnion.. It rarely wears out but the rubber bushings in it always wear out. They are a routine maintainance items and should be replaced ever 5 years or so. Driven or not, they hold up the weight of the car and the rubber goes bad. Probably under $20 to replace the set. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 2 10:37:36 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:37:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] We have trunions? References: <205cef430903020923h54a7a438i4e142ea10b239921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You only have to wear a trunion if you have a hernia. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: [Spridgets] We have trunions? > List, > While stuck here in the city without my Sprite books I'm checking out > other > Sprite projects and came across this one. I thought our Sprites didn't > have > trunions? I replaced trunions on my 68 Spitfire 30 years ago and they cost > $40. then, I thought they had a different name on the Sprites anyone know > what they are called? > Spritespot: > http://www.spritespot.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Bugzy59Sprite&id=IMG_2110 > Lin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 From dwgwater at hotmail.com Mon Mar 2 10:43:29 2009 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Generator swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you probably don't really want a one wire alternator http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml I put in a Festiva alternator, per Frank's suggestion. It's great Dave 70 Midget > From: jimndi at frontiernet.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:14:19 -0500 > Subject: [Spridgets] Generator swap > > Changing the old generator in favor of an Alternator. Having trouble obtaining > a Bosch #13107( Ford Fiesta), Locally. Is there a better, more modern, one > wire Alternator that can be used? does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > I'm not going to buy my kids an Encyclopedia, Let them walk to school like I > had to. > Yogi Berra > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dwgwater at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From bkitterer at mac.com Mon Mar 2 10:44:52 2009 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:44:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] We have trunions? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903020923h54a7a438i4e142ea10b239921@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903020923h54a7a438i4e142ea10b239921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <641551B1-94F2-4991-BEB5-51254344925F@mac.com> Do not know if it is the same thing but the Sprite has a fulcrum pin that "holds" the swivel axle to the A-arm. These are a naval bronze - read very hard - an usually a pain in the a## to get out. At least the early / original ones were chrome plated. With time the chrome would flake off and get imbedded in the swivel pin threads making removal almost impossible. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 2, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > While stuck here in the city without my Sprite books I'm checking > out other > Sprite projects and came across this one. I thought our Sprites > didn't have > trunions? I replaced trunions on my 68 Spitfire 30 years ago and > they cost > $40. then, I thought they had a different name on the Sprites > anyone know > what they are called? Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition From rbastedo at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 10:47:41 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:47:41 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] New Owner of a Sprite! #HAN7L38284 In-Reply-To: <205cef430903020421k7364dbf1ma10c2c8931330ce7@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903020421k7364dbf1ma10c2c8931330ce7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll do a photo shoot once the car is here, I'll put it up on Picasa. It's always nice to have before & after pictures. I'm going to have to make some pretty immediate changes on the car - of course get the brakes sorted out and work on the windshield seal and all that. Am in the "looking for parts" stage right now. Rick Bastedo On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > Congrats Rick do you have a photo to show us? > Lin > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > >> Our mutual friend and fellow President of the Sprite & Midget Club, BillM, >> called last week to tell me about a '63 Sprite languishing in the garage >> of >> someone he works with. >> He asked if I might be interested in it, and of course I was. >> (snip) From rbastedo at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 11:17:35 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:17:35 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] HAN7L38284 needs some pieces and parts Message-ID: As a matter of full disclosure, I got this car for myself to celebrate my 50th birthday. I'd like to drive it by that date - (Mar. 22) but first it is going to need some parts. With the roll bar, Midget seats and deep dish steering wheel I can just barely sit in there, but like one of those little fish that comes in a can with many other little fish. In other words - tight. The car needs a pair of seats and a steering wheel I have two hoods, I can pick the better of them and get it painted to match the car. The thing on there now resembles a Buick. Other than that it needs a windshield and a new seal for under the windshield. I have an entire perfect windshield in a frame, but it's for the later cars. What's the best way to approach the glass replacement? Seals too? The rough part here is that I've blown my budget all to heck. I'm considering selling some of my firearm collection to fund this project. So if anyone is interested in that please email me off list, I can send pictures. Rick (raising funds, looking for parts) Bastedo From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 12:02:10 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:02:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet In-Reply-To: <49AC1884.7080100@comcast.net> References: <200903021704.n22H4lJl011174@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> <49AC1884.7080100@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903021102x4a518ec2q3a341a9352df7992@mail.gmail.com> OMG! First a nail in your leg and now your eye is out!! Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Frank Clarici wrote: > Glen Byrns wrote: > >> Frank, >> >> All you need now to finish filling the Sprite tree of ancestors is a nice >> A35. Hmmmmm. >> >> I have an eye out, but it has to be the convertable model. From Miniac7 at aol.com Mon Mar 2 12:10:01 2009 From: Miniac7 at aol.com (Miniac7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:10:01 EST Subject: [Spridgets] HAN7L38284 needs some pieces and parts Message-ID: If this is a Mk1 and you decide to sell the roll bar, please let me know. I'm looking for one whose front legs sit up on the shelf behind the seats, in lieu of the ones that run down to the floor pan. Anyone else have one up for grabs? Howard Collins Virginia Beach, VA. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 13:56:29 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:56:29 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Clamp Bolt Message-ID: <37dc82d40903021256h57d02328oc4858b941bbc0ac3@mail.gmail.com> I left the front clamp bolts off the front of my Sprite (at the end of the lever shocks) when upgrading to front discs from a latter model. I could not get the bolt to get in past the top of the rotors. It has been a few thousand miles. . I guess I need to get serious about taking care of this issue. . or continue to "enjoy the adrenaline", especially while on the freeway. What penalty will I incur for such moronic behaviour? I am considering the use of a large clamp to hold it tight and them weld it so it clamps. I would remove the weld later if necessary. Kirk 59BE From peter at nosimport.com Mon Mar 2 14:34:33 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:34:33 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Clamp Bolt In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903021256h57d02328oc4858b941bbc0ac3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <37dc82d40903021256h57d02328oc4858b941bbc0ac3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903021334515.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Um..... you've successfully taken a very weak part of the suspension, and made it weaker. Colin Chapman got away with doing stuff like that, but then he had paid drivers to "test" with. Loosen the kingpin top nut, raise the trunion, insert the pinch bolt! Please! Peter C ==== At 02:56 PM 3/2/2009, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: >I left the front clamp bolts off the front of my Sprite (at the end of the >lever shocks) when upgrading to front discs from a latter model. > >I could not get the bolt to get in past the top of the rotors. > >It has been a few thousand miles. . I guess I need to get serious about >taking care of this issue. . or continue to "enjoy the adrenaline", >especially while on the freeway. > >What penalty will I incur for such moronic behaviour? > >I am considering the use of a large clamp to hold it tight and them weld it >so it clamps. I would remove the weld later if necessary. > >Kirk >59BE From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 2 14:37:48 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:37:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Spridgets] FYI - 1972 MG Midget for Sale - SoCal area Message-ID: <30613100.1236029869125.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> FYI, Best, Rick **************************************************** -----Forwarded Message----- From: "Bickel, Kriss E CIV NITC, IT43" Sent: Mar 2, 2009 3:08 PM 1972 MG Midget for Sale I have an 1972 MG Midget Project Car for Sale. The body is in excellent condition. Engine is serviceable (88,000 miles) but hasn't been run in two years. Photos available upon request. The car is located in West Hills, CA. From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 2 15:18:49 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:18:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Clamp Bolt In-Reply-To: <200903021334515.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <> AND do NOT drive the car until you follow PPP's instructions !!! You have been driving a TIME BOMB !!! Ed From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 16:01:15 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire Message-ID: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> People If you do not have a fire extinguisher in your garage, STOP what you are doing and go buy one. I was doing some minor welding to those typical cracks on the inside of a Bugeye door, my garbage can was 8-9 feet away from what I was welding. My back was to the can and I had a welding helmet on. Apparently a spark flew into the garbage can and it was fully engulfed in flames by the time I noticed it. Instinct told me to start blowing it out and that didn't work. Thank God I have 3 fire extinguishers in my garage, 1 at the chemical shelf, 1 at the base of the stairs, and 1 upstairs. A quick squirt with one and the can fire was out. I could have been a disaster as my outside water is turned off for the winter. You can not blow out a 3' high flame, and plastic trash bags and cans burn real well, not to mention who knows what combustibles were in the can, empty brake clean can, empty bondo can, paper towels, a dry but used up thinners rag, lots of bondo dust, etc. Make sure you have a fire extinguisher near your work area. Also speaking of fire safety, NEVER use a drop light near a fuel pump, gas tank, or carb. Get a flouresent light or a cordless LED light. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From tinydog at snet.net Mon Mar 2 16:17:33 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:17:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> Message-ID: <414399.95139.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog almost commented: ......I will leave that one alone. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Frank Clarici wrote: From: Frank Clarici Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire To: "Spridgets" Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:01 PM You can not blow out a 3' high flame From refisk at chartermi.net Mon Mar 2 16:48:33 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:48:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> Message-ID: <019201c99b91$65d28b30$6401a8c0@refisk> A fire extinguisher in the garage is a must. Also, garbage cans with lids are a good idea for that type of trash. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clarici" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire > People > If you do not have a fire extinguisher in your garage, STOP what you are > doing and go buy one. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 16:53:26 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:53:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <414399.95139.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> <414399.95139.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903021553r316b495bgf8444c4093262070@mail.gmail.com> We had a girl in my High School that.... Ummmmm..... Nevermind.... Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:17 PM, wrote: > tinydog almost commented: > > ......I will leave that one alone. > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Frank Clarici wrote: > From: Frank Clarici > Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire > To: "Spridgets" > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:01 PM > > > You can not blow out a 3' high flame > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 16:55:33 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:55:33 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903021555k11ab06dexbf15479b0440377@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I always ask myself (if I'm alone) or anyone I'm with "Where is the nearest extinguisher?" Before welding, grinding, shooting fireworks, etc. I keep one near the door of my little laboratory. Keep one in your kitchen, too. From cbaustin at verizon.net Mon Mar 2 16:56:06 2009 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:56:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: Garage Fire Message-ID: <8C67190BA5894C58B981EA2C267D77B1@universal1> ----- Original Message ----- From: Charley Braum To: Frank Clarici Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage Fire Learned this in an early job working in a body shop - don't turn the lights out and leave the garage for at least an hour after welding and/or cutting; grinding too if the sparks are-a-flying! There is always time for an extra beer whilst admiring the bead you just ran! CB Oh, and check the dates and charge on your extinguishers - time sensitive! From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 16:59:49 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:59:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903021555k11ab06dexbf15479b0440377@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> <5f00d9910903021555k11ab06dexbf15479b0440377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903021559s57ab0dabsb6bc82d4cd3c982b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:55 PM, derf wrote: > Yes, I always ask myself (if I'm alone) or anyone I'm with "Where is > the nearest extinguisher?" > Before welding, grinding, shooting fireworks, etc. > I keep one near the door of my little laboratory. > Keep one in your kitchen, too. I think I followed that... Personally, I only look for a fire extinguisher if I'm alone or with somebody. -- Cheers!! Jim - Mr. Malaprop "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Mar 2 17:06:58 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:06:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> Message-ID: A garage burned down in this fair city a week or 2 ago. The mechanic was changing a fuel pump ... -----Original Message----- Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire Make sure you have a fire extinguisher near your work area. Also speaking of fire safety, NEVER use a drop light near a fuel pump, gas tank, or carb. Get a flouresent light or a cordless LED light. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 17:08:42 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:08:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th Venue Proposal Forms Online Message-ID: <43840a7e0903021608nade6b97wc565367ec69b4c2c@mail.gmail.com> Spridgeteers, Just a reminder to everyone. There are now 3 proposals on the website at: Click on the "Midget 50th" pull down tab and scroll down to look at each of them. The newest is from Hot Springs, AR which I don't have completed online yet so I'm pointing to the NAMGAR 2009 event website since it will be in the same location. Additional proposals are encouraged! You can download the proposal form and submit electronically. I know of at least 3 more proposals which are in the mill. The deadline for submissions is March 15th (two weeks from now). Judging will be done by *YOU* via email from April 1st through April 5th so be sure to look through all the proposals carefully during the last two weeks of March. Everyone gets a vote. -- Cheers!! Jim - for the Sprite-Midget Club USA, Inc. From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 2 17:31:29 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> Message-ID: <812213B452FD4383912267601D22216C@MAINCOMPUTER> Kind of important to keep your Gas powered summer stuff like lawn mowers, tillers etc. a good distance from your welding area. Learned the hard way 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clarici" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire > People > If you do not have a fire extinguisher in your garage, STOP what you are > doing and go buy one. > I was doing some minor welding to those typical cracks on the inside of > a Bugeye door, my garbage can was 8-9 feet away from what I was welding. > My back was to the can and I had a welding helmet on. > Apparently a spark flew into the garbage can and it was fully engulfed > in flames by the time I noticed it. > Instinct told me to start blowing it out and that didn't work. > Thank God I have 3 fire extinguishers in my garage, 1 at the chemical > shelf, 1 at the base of the stairs, and 1 upstairs. > A quick squirt with one and the can fire was out. > I could have been a disaster as my outside water is turned off for the > winter. > You can not blow out a 3' high flame, and plastic trash bags and cans > burn real well, not to mention who knows what combustibles were in the > can, empty brake clean can, empty bondo can, paper towels, a dry but > used up thinners rag, lots of bondo dust, etc. > Make sure you have a fire extinguisher near your work area. > Also speaking of fire safety, NEVER use a drop light near a fuel pump, > gas tank, or carb. > Get a flouresent light or a cordless LED light. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 17:45:24 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:45:24 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <812213B452FD4383912267601D22216C@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> <812213B452FD4383912267601D22216C@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903021645n2fd50e6bsdf87852e2b95350e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Jim F. wrote: > Kind of important to keep your Gas powered summer stuff like lawn mowers, > tillers etc. a good distance from your welding area. Learned the hard way Pictures? Do you have pictures we can laugh at? ;-) Cheers!! Jim From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 2 18:54:43 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:54:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903021555k11ab06dexbf15479b0440377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> SHOULD be MANDATORY, derf !!!!! And other rooms thru-out the house !!! Ed From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 2 19:16:29 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:16:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> Message-ID: VERY sorry for your tale of woe (but with a GREAT 'end-result'), Frank !!! <> EXCELLENT advice!!! And should be 5# ABC or larger. Re-chargeable is best. And follow Manufacturer's recommendation as to having RE-charged !!! A 'dead' one does NOT help !!! Frank, YOU (very much UN-like 'Hopper' !?!) have been to my shop. PPP DID stop by once by I wasn't here!! I have THREE (3) of them. Then in my house there is one in kitchen, bedroom, laundry room, family room, AND one by front door. I either annually take to my local Fire House (sometimes it's done for free) or I have a commercial service stop by and have ALL checked and/or RE-charged as required. As MG said (a LONG time ago), Safety Fast !!!! Besides a garage, one could save a LIFE !!! Ed ex-Fire Fighter ex-ParaMedic From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 19:20:03 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:20:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire References: Message-ID: <67C891515A3D471EB99B0422AA2EA14F@Larry> Ed, I'm trying like hell to imagine how it could get hot enough in your bedroom to need a fire extinguisher. ;-)) LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage Fire VERY sorry for your tale of woe (but with a GREAT 'end-result'), Frank !!! <> EXCELLENT advice!!! And should be 5# ABC or larger. Re-chargeable is best. And follow Manufacturer's recommendation as to having RE-charged !!! A 'dead' one does NOT help !!! Frank, YOU (very much UN-like 'Hopper' !?!) have been to my shop. PPP DID stop by once by I wasn't here!! I have THREE (3) of them. Then in my house there is one in kitchen, bedroom, laundry room, family room, AND one by front door. I either annually take to my local Fire House (sometimes it's done for free) or I have a commercial service stop by and have ALL checked and/or RE-charged as required. As MG said (a LONG time ago), Safety Fast !!!! Besides a garage, one could save a LIFE !!! Ed ex-Fire Fighter ex-ParaMedic You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 22:45:50 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:45:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <67C891515A3D471EB99B0422AA2EA14F@Larry> References: <67C891515A3D471EB99B0422AA2EA14F@Larry> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903022145kf25a93ep2f3056243cf775ee@mail.gmail.com> He's lighting his farts again.... Frank On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > Ed, I'm trying like hell to imagine how it could get hot enough in your > bedroom to need a fire extinguisher. ;-)) > > > LAD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed's Shop" > To: "Spridgets" > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage Fire > > > VERY sorry for your tale of woe (but with a GREAT > 'end-result'), Frank !!! > > < STOP what you are doing and go buy one.>> > > EXCELLENT advice!!! > > And should be 5# ABC or larger. Re-chargeable is best. > And follow Manufacturer's recommendation as to having > RE-charged !!! A 'dead' one does NOT help !!! > > Frank, YOU (very much UN-like 'Hopper' !?!) have been to > my shop. PPP DID stop by once by I wasn't here!! > I have THREE (3) of them. Then in my house there is one > in kitchen, bedroom, laundry room, family room, AND one > by front door. > > I either annually take to my local Fire House (sometimes it's > done for free) or I have a commercial service stop by and > have ALL checked and/or RE-charged as required. > > As MG said (a LONG time ago), Safety Fast !!!! > > Besides a garage, one could save a LIFE !!! > > Ed > ex-Fire Fighter > ex-ParaMedic > You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From grday at btinternet.com Mon Mar 2 17:40:20 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:40:20 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire References: <49AC653B.5030901@comcast.net> <019201c99b91$65d28b30$6401a8c0@refisk> Message-ID: It wouldn't have helped with this one but I always have a bottle of water with a squirty nozzle to hand when welding. I used to have an old washing up liquid bottle but moved up market to the squirty spray! There are 4 fire extinguishers in the garage, 1 in the kitchen and 1 at the bottom of the stairs. All checked by the a Fire engineer last year for the cost of a 6 pack of beer, coffee and biscuits. Glad you got out of it OK Frank. Guy R Day > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Clarici" > To: "Spridgets" > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:01 PM > Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire > > >> People >> If you do not have a fire extinguisher in your garage, STOP what you are >> doing and go buy one. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 02:38:48 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 04:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A Sprite Fleet In-Reply-To: <5BA0484F1D0D4CB5809492AE709E8DA5@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <200903021704.n22H4lJl011174@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> <5BA0484F1D0D4CB5809492AE709E8DA5@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <205cef430903030138v61844fe2k2f7d824dac6aa6c9@mail.gmail.com> This is cool even if it isn't a convertible. http://www.britishtaxdiscs.co.uk/gallery/1967%20Austin%20A35%20van.jpg On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:13 PM, David Lieb wrote: > All you need now to finish filling the Sprite tree of ancestors is a nice >> A35. Hmmmmm. >> > > And an Austin Seven... Perhaps a Cambridge Special? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 3 04:18:52 2009 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:18:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire Message-ID: <919127.93373.qm@web50605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm guessing the one by the front door is for the old "dog turd in the paper bag" routine.. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Jim Johnson wrote: From: Jim Johnson Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage Fire To: "Larry Daniels" Cc: "Spridgets" Received: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009, 4:45 PM He's lighting his farts again.... Frank On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > Ed, I'm trying like hell to imagine how it could get hot enough in your > bedroom to need a fire extinguisher. ;-)) > > > LAD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed's Shop" > To: "Spridgets" > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage Fire > > > VERY sorry for your tale of woe (but with a GREAT > 'end-result'), Frank !!! > > < STOP what you are doing and go buy one.>> > > EXCELLENT advice!!! > > And should be 5# ABC or larger. Re-chargeable is best. > And follow Manufacturer's recommendation as to having > RE-charged !!! A 'dead' one does NOT help !!! > > Frank, YOU (very much UN-like 'Hopper' !?!) have been to > my shop. PPP DID stop by once by I wasn't here!! > I have THREE (3) of them. Then in my house there is one > in kitchen, bedroom, laundry room, family room, AND one > by front door. > > I either annually take to my local Fire House (sometimes it's > done for free) or I have a commercial service stop by and > have ALL checked and/or RE-charged as required. > > As MG said (a LONG time ago), Safety Fast !!!! > > Besides a garage, one could save a LIFE !!! > > Ed > ex-Fire Fighter > ex-ParaMedic > You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford You are subscribed as a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 07:39:18 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:39:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire References: <67C891515A3D471EB99B0422AA2EA14F@Larry> <43840a7e0903022145kf25a93ep2f3056243cf775ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2365CC2CB0DF45F8A2092EE60A21870A@Larry> Another lister guessed that somebody was there in his place. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Johnson To: Larry Daniels Cc: Ed's Shop ; Spridgets Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage Fire He's lighting his farts again.... Frank On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: Ed, I'm trying like hell to imagine how it could get hot enough in your bedroom to need a fire extinguisher. ;-)) LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage Fire VERY sorry for your tale of woe (but with a GREAT 'end-result'), Frank !!! <> EXCELLENT advice!!! And should be 5# ABC or larger. Re-chargeable is best. And follow Manufacturer's recommendation as to having RE-charged !!! A 'dead' one does NOT help !!! Frank, YOU (very much UN-like 'Hopper' !?!) have been to my shop. PPP DID stop by once by I wasn't here!! I have THREE (3) of them. Then in my house there is one in kitchen, bedroom, laundry room, family room, AND one by front door. I either annually take to my local Fire House (sometimes it's done for free) or I have a commercial service stop by and have ALL checked and/or RE-charged as required. As MG said (a LONG time ago), Safety Fast !!!! Besides a garage, one could save a LIFE !!! Ed ex-Fire Fighter ex-ParaMedic You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From haynes386 at netzero.net Tue Mar 3 08:28:27 2009 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:28:27 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire Message-ID: <20090303.082827.14283.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> <> Just make sure that you don't put it ABOVE the stove-Seen that, not accessible when its needed. Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXA8CzGCnDH36DUt2w64Z4T7 0c8DHAsbP0xTyPtSU4RZbMaqpmIyk/ From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 3 08:44:54 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:44:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <20090303.082827.14283.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> References: <20090303.082827.14283.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <49AD5076.7080803@frontiernet.net> Does this mean that I am not the only one who uses the smoke detector as an oven timer? Kate Mark Haynes wrote: > <> From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 09:15:37 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:15:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire In-Reply-To: <49AD5076.7080803@frontiernet.net> References: <20090303.082827.14283.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> <49AD5076.7080803@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Nope, Martha does as well. When the company moved, they left ALL their fire extinguishers at the old factory. I was in charge of getting the equipment loaded, and I specifically asked about loading them. I was told that we would be getting a new service company, and new units at the new factory. So now I have five 2.5# extinguishers on various shelves in my parts shed. I have two 5# in the Sprite garage. I have a 5# extinguisher in the bedroom (nothing is worse than burning rubber) one 2.5# in the kitchen, and one 5# in the GTO garage. Key care tip from the service guy is... Take the extinguisher, invert it, and tap it GENTLY on the floor. Not enough to break the nozzle, but enough to shake the powder inside loose. It will tend to settle and clump on the bottom. Do that every 6 months, and you should be fine. I have not done that yet, but with this thread (sorry Jay) in full swing, I thought I would share. Brad On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Kathryn Bales wrote: > Does this mean that I am not the only one who uses the smoke detector as an > oven timer? > > Kate > > Mark Haynes wrote: > >> <> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From jimndi at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 3 13:15:25 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:15:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye Roll bar Message-ID: <20AB3857B78B4B7AB291B3ECE205BAA2@MAINCOMPUTER> Does anyone have any experience with this product in a bugeye? Its made for a Miata. 1960 Bugeye [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Roll_Gauges.jpg] From jimndi at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 3 13:24:46 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:24:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar Message-ID: <0B03350F935D404BBA7873563E3478D8@MAINCOMPUTER> Sorry the pic got stripped outof the first post. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=220371637788&Category=3359 1 1960 Bugeye From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 13:38:48 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:38:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <0B03350F935D404BBA7873563E3478D8@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <0B03350F935D404BBA7873563E3478D8@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903031238x68d362b4m94802e76375a0931@mail.gmail.com> I've had Spridgets with roll bars and I currently have a Miata with a roll bar. I have a Hard Dog brand bar in the Miata. You can search and find testimonials for that product. Some cheap bars are called "Mouse Traps". Use your imagination there. My advice to you is get something that is made for your specific car. You want quality, with backing plates that are at least 3/16" thick and Grade 5 or Grade 8 hardware. Best get something tried and true or something custom made at a shop that makes roll cages for race cars. Autopower, Boss Frog, Hard Dog, are all good brands for Miata roll bars. Cheers, Derf From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Tue Mar 3 13:58:38 2009 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:58:38 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar Message-ID: <296f601c99c42$d372a3d0$116a010a@mail2world.com> The roll bar in my '77 came from Kirk Racing Products. I'm sure they make one for a bugeye as well. Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: derf [derf247 at gmail.com] Sent: 3/3/2009 3:39:48 PM To: jimndi at frontiernet.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar I've had Spridgets with roll bars and I currently have a Miata with a roll bar. I have a Hard Dog brand bar in the Miata. You can search and find testimonials for that product. Some cheap bars are called "Mouse Traps". Use your imagination there. My advice to you is get something that is made for your specific car. You want quality, with backing plates that are at least 3/16" thick and Grade 5 or Grade 8 hardware. Best get something tried and true or something custom made at a shop that makes roll cages for race cars. Autopower, Boss Frog, Hard Dog, are all good brands for Miata roll bars. Cheers, Derf _______________________________________________ . From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:13:10 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:13:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <296f601c99c42$d372a3d0$116a010a@mail2world.com> References: <296f601c99c42$d372a3d0$116a010a@mail2world.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903031313s71f0dc4aif26c8a1147a4a898@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, Kirk=good. A roll bar does several things: 1. Looks cool. Makes the car look sporty. 2. Stiffens the body. Good on Spridgets and Miatas, for sure. 3. Provides protection. You don't want to roll over. You REALLY don't want to roll over without a bar in a convertible. There is a video of a guy racing a Triumph that looses an axle at speed. His roll bar functioned properly. I think he walked away. Someone can post a link. From tinydog at snet.net Tue Mar 3 14:20:35 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903031313s71f0dc4aif26c8a1147a4a898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog speculated: I think #1 is the overriding reason for installing a roll-bar. Outside of the track, the only vehicles I see upside down over are SUV's, people on cell phones, and those driven by teens. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, derf wrote: From: derf Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar To: "Chris King" Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:13 PM Yeah, Kirk=good. A roll bar does several things: 1. Looks cool. Makes the car look sporty. 2. Stiffens the body. Good on Spridgets and Miatas, for sure. 3. Provides protection. You don't want to roll over. You REALLY don't want to roll over without a bar in a convertible. There is a video of a guy racing a Triumph that looses an axle at speed. His roll bar functioned properly. I think he walked away. Someone can post a link. From bighealey at charter.net Tue Mar 3 14:25:49 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (bighealey at charter.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903031313s71f0dc4aif26c8a1147a4a898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090303162549.4L1Z8.1850206.root@mp20> I witnessed a Bugeye rollover (no roll bar). It was not pretty but both driver and passanger survived relativly uninjured. The passanger was thrown clear and the driver ducked into the newly vacated passanger seat. When we rebuilt the replacement car the rollbar was fabed up by a specialist for a few hundred bucks. I put one in the Green Meanie (Spridget). ---- derf wrote: > Yeah, Kirk=good. > > A roll bar does several things: > 1. Looks cool. Makes the car look sporty. > 2. Stiffens the body. Good on Spridgets and Miatas, for sure. > 3. Provides protection. You don't want to roll over. You REALLY > don't want to roll over without a bar in a convertible. > > There is a video of a guy racing a Triumph that looses an axle at > speed. His roll bar functioned properly. I think he walked away. > Someone can post a link. > _______________________________________________ From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Mar 3 14:34:07 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:34:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <5f00d9910903031313s71f0dc4aif26c8a1147a4a898@mail.gmail.com>, <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49AD31CF.30249.152A0A8@kk7ss.verizon.net> Reason #4. It provides a better mounting point for the safety belt shoulder strap.... On 3 Mar 2009 at 13:20, tinydog at snet.net wrote: >> I think #1 is the overriding reason for installing a roll-bar. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Tue Mar 3 14:36:22 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:36:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32CE4420-33D6-42B7-B57C-FEF0B1CE9B7F@comcast.net> .. and there was someone on this list, last year (?) that was just driving down the street and hit some soft earth on the outside of a turn as I remember and rolled the car with wife as passenger. Not racing, just driving. There are / were very good safety reasons to cease convertible production. Lester On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:20 PM, tinydog at snet.net wrote: > tinydog speculated: > > I think #1 is the overriding reason for installing a roll-bar. > > Outside of the track, the only vehicles I see upside down over are > SUV's, people on cell phones, and those driven by teens. > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, derf wrote: > From: derf > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar > To: "Chris King" > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:13 PM > > Yeah, Kirk=good. > > A roll bar does several things: > 1. Looks cool. Makes the car look sporty. > 2. Stiffens the body. Good on Spridgets and Miatas, for sure. > 3. Provides protection. You don't want to roll over. You REALLY > don't want to roll over without a bar in a convertible. > > There is a video of a guy racing a Triumph that looses an axle at > speed. His roll bar functioned properly. I think he walked away. > Someone can post a link. > _____________________ From tinydog at snet.net Tue Mar 3 14:46:12 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:46:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <32CE4420-33D6-42B7-B57C-FEF0B1CE9B7F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <242859.11966.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog still concludes: That #1 is the overriding reason for installing a roll-bar. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Lester wrote: From: Lester Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar To: tinydog at snet.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:36 PM .. and there was someone on this list, last year (?) that was just driving down the street and hit some soft earth on the outside of a turn as I remember and rolled the car with wife as passenger. Not racing, just driving. There are / were very good safety reasons to cease convertible production. Lester On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:20 PM, tinydog at snet.net wrote: > tinydog speculated: > > I think #1 is the overriding reason for installing a roll-bar. > > Outside of the track, the only vehicles I see upside down over are SUV's, people on cell phones, and those driven by teens. From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:46:53 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:46:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Knock sensor Message-ID: <4333f8140903031346o1db4f23co8e104fae02549ebb@mail.gmail.com> Anyone out there using a knock sensor? This looks interesting, especially if you are injecting the fuel. Glen? Where would you mount it? Hal From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 14:54:56 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:54:56 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire Message-ID: I have a dry powder in the garage and a hand held foam in the car (though sometimes the car is locked while I'm in the garage). I also have another dry powder in the kitchen. I can't imagine NOT having a fire extinguisher in the garage and even though I don't have a welder I do have a blow lamp. Glad you got things under control before they got out of control. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 02/03/2009 22:59:29 GMT Standard Time, spritenut at comcast.net writes: If you do not have a fire extinguisher in your garage, STOP what you are doing and go buy one. From thcollin at mtu.edu Tue Mar 3 15:04:19 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Knock sensor In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903031346o1db4f23co8e104fae02549ebb@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4333f8140903031346o1db4f23co8e104fae02549ebb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7lku3e$5n7nql@email.mtu.edu> Once you detected a knock, what would you be able to control on a Spridget? You'd need a bunch of hardware / software to make one useful. At 04:46 PM 3/3/2009, Hal Faulkner wrote: >Anyone out there using a knock sensor? >This looks interesting, especially if you are injecting the fuel. Glen? >Where would you mount it? >Hal Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 15:07:00 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:07:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Clamp Bolt Message-ID: <37dc82d40903031407n7469cdfcx4d557c5f93263c7b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to all the good folks on the list who have emailed me, imploring me to get my clamp bolts back in place. You have put the fear where it belongs! I shall do it, whatever it takes! Thanks! Kirk 59 BE with soon to have clamp bolts!!!! LOL From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 15:08:15 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:08:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Knock sensor In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5n7nql@email.mtu.edu> References: <4333f8140903031346o1db4f23co8e104fae02549ebb@mail.gmail.com> <7lku3e$5n7nql@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <4333f8140903031408l6d194218y4a36e878cb8a0f5d@mail.gmail.com> I guess it would help if I inserted the link. Senior moment, I guess. http://www.viatrack.ca/ hal On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Timothy H. Collins wrote: > Once you detected a knock, what would you be able to control on a Spridget? > You'd need a bunch of hardware / software to make one useful. > > > At 04:46 PM 3/3/2009, Hal Faulkner wrote: > >> Anyone out there using a knock sensor? >> This looks interesting, especially if you are injecting the fuel. Glen? >> Where would you mount it? >> Hal >> > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Mar 3 15:10:44 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:10:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Knock sensor In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5n7nql@email.mtu.edu> References: <4333f8140903031346o1db4f23co8e104fae02549ebb@mail.gmail.com> <7lku3e$5n7nql@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <1681256963.20090303141044@pacifier.com> Hello Timothy, Glen Burns is the resident expert on the Megasquirt. Knock sensed, fuel injected, turbocharged Sprite. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Bigamy : one wife too many. Monogamy : same thing From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Mar 3 16:59:08 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:59:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Knock sensor In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903031346o1db4f23co8e104fae02549ebb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4333f8140903031346o1db4f23co8e104fae02549ebb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ADC44C.2080403@comcast.net> Hal Faulkner wrote: > Anyone out there using a knock sensor? > > I have updated to a door bell! ;) From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 3 17:28:38 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:28:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Outside of the track, the only vehicles I see upside down over are SUV's, > people on cell phones, and those driven by teens. I am alive tonight only because this afternoon I was 1/2 second too slow to be T-boned by a woman on a cell phone who ran a red light at speed. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Tue Mar 3 17:40:02 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:40:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: References: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, Did she stop or just keep going like nothing happened? Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > Outside of the track, the only vehicles I see upside down over are SUV's, >> people on cell phones, and those driven by teens. >> > > I am alive tonight only because this afternoon I was 1/2 second too slow to > be T-boned by a woman on a cell phone who ran a red light at speed. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > Long Island, NY _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tinydog at snet.net Tue Mar 3 17:53:34 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:53:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <993871.47409.qm@web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog asked: Nextel or Sprint? --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Michael Rowe wrote: From: Michael Rowe Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 7:28 PM > Outside of the track, the only vehicles I see upside down over are SUV's, people on cell phones, and those driven by teens. I am alive tonight only because this afternoon I was 1/2 second too slow to be T-boned by a woman on a cell phone who ran a red light at speed. From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Tue Mar 3 18:23:19 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Knock sensor Message-ID: <200903040123.n241NJJo000104@berna.ucdavis.edu> Hal, Since I'm running Megasquirt and a turbo, I would be the target buyer for one of these. The problem as I learned was that they work best on engines with hydraulic lifters. The flat tappet cam of a Spridget makes too much knock type signal when there is no knock. You would bolt it to the head or backplate. If I find out that the knock signal can be accurately gleaned from the din of slapping tappets, I'll be hooking one up the next day. The knock signal would trigger Megasquirt to retard the timing. Glen > Anyone out there using a knock sensor? > This looks interesting, especially if you are injecting the fuel. Glen? > Where would you mount it? > Hal From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 3 18:35:31 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:35:31 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <20090303162549.4L1Z8.1850206.root@mp20> References: <20090303162549.4L1Z8.1850206.root@mp20> Message-ID: <7A41617AB76C40E19DF246306B68E99E@Home> > When we rebuilt the replacement car the rollbar was fabed up by a > specialist for a few hundred bucks. One of the Bugeyes I considered buying has an unusually attractive roll bar which I have not seen anywhere else. The fore&aft angle matches the angle of the rear of the door. The side-to-side angle matches the angle of the windscreen (bent at the top of the door above the rear brace). And the height is slightly above the windscreen in proportion to that of the soft top. It is the only roll bar I have seen that looked like it was designed for a BE by someone with asthetic sense. The owner knows nothing about its origin. Because none of the angles is 90 degrees, it is fairly complicated. Any thoughts on how to find such a roll bar or a diagram from which one could be made? It would not be all that hard to draw it full-scale on butcher paper. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite in contract Long Island, NY From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 18:39:20 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <7A41617AB76C40E19DF246306B68E99E@Home> References: <20090303162549.4L1Z8.1850206.root@mp20> <7A41617AB76C40E19DF246306B68E99E@Home> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903031739t7ec625devf2202e60b4aaa24@mail.gmail.com> That probably came from a custom maker. > > One of the Bugeyes I considered buying has an unusually attractive roll bar > which I have not seen anywhere else. The fore&aft angle matches the angle > of the rear of the door. The side-to-side angle matches the angle of the > windscreen (bent at the top of the door above the rear brace). And the > height is slightly above the windscreen in proportion to that of the soft > top. It is the only roll bar I have seen that looked like it was designed > for a BE by someone with asthetic sense. The owner knows nothing about its > origin. Because none of the angles is 90 degrees, it is fairly complicated. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Tue Mar 3 19:12:04 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:12:04 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I think #1 is the overriding reason You guys actually "like" the way they look??? Even on a Sprite??? From tinydog at snet.net Tue Mar 3 19:54:21 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:54:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <88450.20408.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog added: If not for the way they look, a roll bar provides a convenient way to pick-up the car. When shopping, one can simply carry the Sprite around the store and place goods inside the car for convenience when going through the checkout. OTOH, should one flip over in one of the aisles, such as frozen foods, the roll bar will offer a double benefit. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Billy Zoom wrote: From: Billy Zoom Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar To: tinydog at snet.net, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:12 PM > I think #1 is the overriding reason You guys actually "like" the way they look??? Even on a Sprite??? From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 20:00:44 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:00:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <0B03350F935D404BBA7873563E3478D8@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <0B03350F935D404BBA7873563E3478D8@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903031900y601ce7c6l81e88391e2be41a@mail.gmail.com> The Hard Dog bar in my Miata is substantial. I feel better when jacked up F-350s are tail gating me because of it. You can also use a roll bar as a base for a simple Bikini top. I don't because I can stow or deploy the Miata top from the driver's seat while belted in. But, you can rig a nice little rag to keep you mostly dry if the rain starts. From twobees at sprynet.com Tue Mar 3 20:04:25 2009 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:04:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar Message-ID: <006901c99c75$ed3c52b0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Jim: A lot of good advice so far. I'm in the business & read all of the vintage racing mags and SportsCar & others. Never saw ad or edit on this company. Looks like US dealer for Chinese parts sold only on eBay. But, what really raises a red flag is that this looks like a chrome bar. Not good. Although better than nothing. I do like their harness bars. I'm in midst of making one for my Alfa Romeo for occasional times when I use it without roll bar. I feel bare without a 5- or 6-point harness in my spider. Especially here in Florida where an average red light change has 3 or 4 cars running reds. Cops are looking for speeders. And, I've never seen so many cops - local, county, state anywhere in the US or Europe. You can't drive more than a couple of blocks without seeing one. No idea where they're going (not that many donut shops left) or what they're doing. I digress. Personally, I'll go to a local bar fabricator for any of my topless cars. Or, the names mentioned. While it won't make it to the Digest, I'll attached some pix of the bar I had made for my MGB. SCCA spec with removable forward & rear diagonal bars for street use. I raced with factory hardtop, otherwise it would have been an inch too low. A local circle track shop did the work. It fit between the bows of the softop as well as under the hardtop. Wasn't cheap. BUT - it was well done. And, what is your head worth? Norm Sippel '59 Turner - permanent roll bar '60 Alfa - removable roll bar Street cars - 4 dr. sedan, small SUV (for towing the racecars) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of mgb_roll_bar_and_bows_S.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of MGB_Top_Up_2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of mgb_roll_bar_and_bows_2S.jpg] From soavero at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 20:08:51 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:08:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Victory Lane - Re: bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <006901c99c75$ed3c52b0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <283079.80221.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Norm 2Bs wrote: > A lot of good advice so far. I'm in the business & > read all of the vintage > racing mags and SportsCar & others. Speaking of which, if anyone has the December 2008/Jan 2009-ish issue of Victory Lane magazine, I'm told there was a picture of yours truly in the Road America ELVF write up. I would be eternally grateful for the article. The friend who told me about it "accidentally" threw his copy out. Ron Soavenet/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Tue Mar 3 20:16:34 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:16:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye Roll bar References: <20AB3857B78B4B7AB291B3ECE205BAA2@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <1DE98CC654CC49B8A4447A8909EC2A6B@blackbox2> From: "Jim F." > Does anyone have any experience with this product in a bugeye? Its made for a > Miata. All the dimensions are there on the ebay page. Should be easy to tell if it would fit or not. Or is it the case where you don't have a Bugeye handy and you want us to go and measure our cars? No doubt something would need adjustment. So you will have to be able to cut and weld 304 stainless. It would be nice if they stated what size (diameter/wall) tubing it is. From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Tue Mar 3 20:22:15 2009 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:22:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar Message-ID: <113401c99c78$6a8d6630$0168010a@mail2world.com> Ahem, that was me, about 3 1/2 years ago or so... (has it been that long already? sheesh!) So I vote for #3. Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> >From: Lester [oldsaabguy at comcast.net] >Sent: 3/3/2009 4:37:22 PM >To: tinydog at snet.net >Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar > >... and there was someone on this list, last year (?) that was just >driving down the street and hit some soft earth on the outside of a >turn as I remember and rolled the car with wife as passenger. Not >racing, just driving. There are / were very good safety reasons to >cease convertible production. > >Lester > >On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:20 PM, tinydog at snet.net wrote: > >> tinydog speculated: >> >> I think #1 is the overriding reason for installing a roll-bar. >> >> Outside of the track, the only vehicles I see upside down over are >> SUV's, people on cell phones, and those driven by teens. >> >> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, derf wrote: >> From: derf >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar >> To: "Chris King" >> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net >> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:13 PM >> >> Yeah, Kirk=good. >> >> A roll bar does several things: >> 1. Looks cool. Makes the car look sporty. >> 2. Stiffens the body. Good on Spridgets and Miatas, for sure. >> 3. Provides protection. You don't want to roll over. You REALLY >> don't want to roll over without a bar in a convertible. >> >> There is a video of a guy racing a Triumph that looses an axle at >> speed. His roll bar functioned properly. I think he walked away. >> Someone can post a link. >> _____________________ >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >. From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 22:01:07 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:01:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: <0B03350F935D404BBA7873563E3478D8@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <650139.88211.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That bar looks VERY different from the one I mounted in my Miata way back when. It mounts on a flat surface so looks like you'd have to remove the rear package shelf tins to get to a flat surface. This seems like it would make it too skinny in order to fit in between the seat belt mounts. Got mine from the Monster Miata folks. The main hoop mounted over the shoulder belt towers just behind the seats. This gave a nice wide appropriate looking bar. The two down tubes went through the package shelf tins to mount over a major body seam where the car is very strong due to multiple layers of metal. I don't personally care for the chrome either. To me, rollbars look best flat or satin black. Just finished up this past weekend mounting the bar I bought from another lister over a year ago - yeah I know... but I've been busy. It looks great and now I have a perfect place to mount my four point harnesses. (ordered, but not yet arrived) I've now put a rollbar in every convertible I've owned. Love the look. I'm also the guy who likes to push it a bit in the corners so if I misplace a tire by a few inches it is not inconceivable that I may actually need it one day. I'd much rather climb out from underneath cursing my stupid butt than have somebody pull it off me and carry me away. David Booker Newly Barred & Soon to be Newly Belted '71 Midget Long Island From pelliott at innercite.com Wed Mar 4 00:35:43 2009 From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:35:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Fire- thread comment In-Reply-To: References: <20090303.082827.14283.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> <49AD5076.7080803@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <088b01c99c9b$d3a01f00$7ae05d00$@com> "but with this thread (sorry Jay) in full swing," Thanks for the chuckle; I had forgotten about Jay and the thread thing. It's been a fun 12+ years. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 4 07:13:39 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:13:39 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar Message-ID: I rolled a rollbarless 'B over an embankment. The unbelted passengers dropped out and rolled down the hill and I got thrown over into the passenger seat. Believe me, I did not duck ... I had no control over where I was going to be. It just worked out right. From: I witnessed a Bugeye rollover (no roll bar). It was not pretty but both driver and passanger survived relativly uninjured. The passanger was thrown clear and the driver ducked into the newly vacated passanger seat. ---- derf wrote: >Yeah, Kirk=good. > >A roll bar does several things: >1. Looks cool. Makes the car look sporty. >2. Stiffens the body. Good on Spridgets and Miatas, for sure. >3. Provides protection. You don't want to roll over. You REALLY >don't want to roll over without a bar in a convertible. From bpazur at excel.net Wed Mar 4 07:59:32 2009 From: bpazur at excel.net (Bud Pazur) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:59:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar Message-ID: <200903041459.n24ExWk5031526@green.excel.net> I installed an Autopower roll bar on my Bug. The inspiration came from driving down my country road in my WRX at 55 mph and have an old guy in a big Chrysler run a stop sign right in front of me. The WRX brakes saved my ass (and the WRX), but I started thinking what would have happened in the Bugeye, with my wife with me. I know I wouldn't have been able to stop in time. Even tho we wear seat belts in the Bug, I still probably would have rolled into the country culvert, which would not have been good for our heads. And, besides Chryslers, we have had numerous very close calls with deer on these Wisco country roads. The Autopower looks good, fit and installed perfectly. Of course a roll bar alone won't do it - the seat belt is necessary too. Bud Pazur From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Mar 4 08:29:26 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:29:26 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar In-Reply-To: <200903041459.n24ExWk5031526@green.excel.net> References: <200903041459.n24ExWk5031526@green.excel.net> Message-ID: <988211508.20090304072926@pacifier.com> Hello, Ok, so I admit I'm most likely a Wack Job, but.. If I were really concerned about safety, (forget that MG-SAFETY FAST crap) I wouldn't put one foot in a Spridget to begin with. A Roll bar is like a Band-Aid for a severed limb. Ya, it'll help a little, yeah, it makes ya feel better, but basically my belief is "If you crash, you DIE" .. ... I drive defensively. I always assume the guy is going to run the red light, the stop sign, will make the left turn with signalling, that I am invisible on the road and the idiot WILL pull out of the driveway, WHATEVER. I CAN control what I do with the car, but not the other drivers on the road. So I assume they will F*&K up. ... I wouldn't even have seat belts if the law didn't require it. If you want to be SAFE when you drive, get something modern, with air bags. Make sure it weighs a couple of tons or more. Put in a 4 point seat belt. Wear a Helmet. My 2" -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Insomnia isn't anything to lose sleep over. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 09:27:37 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:27:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar References: <200903041459.n24ExWk5031526@green.excel.net> <988211508.20090304072926@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <2E9EB3A83127453F8CA4782E906FB6B2@Larry> Yep, Bill, just like riding a motorcycle -- if you don't want to be an idiot, expect that the other guy is one. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar Hello, Ok, so I admit I'm most likely a Wack Job, but.. If I were really concerned about safety, (forget that MG-SAFETY FAST crap) I wouldn't put one foot in a Spridget to begin with. A Roll bar is like a Band-Aid for a severed limb. Ya, it'll help a little, yeah, it makes ya feel better, but basically my belief is "If you crash, you DIE" .. ... I drive defensively. I always assume the guy is going to run the red light, the stop sign, will make the left turn with signalling, that I am invisible on the road and the idiot WILL pull out of the driveway, WHATEVER. I CAN control what I do with the car, but not the other drivers on the road. So I assume they will F*&K up. ... I wouldn't even have seat belts if the law didn't require it. If you want to be SAFE when you drive, get something modern, with air bags. Make sure it weighs a couple of tons or more. Put in a 4 point seat belt. Wear a Helmet. My 2" -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Insomnia isn't anything to lose sleep over. You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Mar 4 09:48:13 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:48:13 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar In-Reply-To: <2E9EB3A83127453F8CA4782E906FB6B2@Larry> References: <200903041459.n24ExWk5031526@green.excel.net> <988211508.20090304072926@pacifier.com> <2E9EB3A83127453F8CA4782E906FB6B2@Larry> Message-ID: <948884436.20090304084813@pacifier.com> Hello Larry, The biggest reason I don't ride Motorcycles is because of Helmet Laws. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" America good place to put Chinese restaurant. From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:26:32 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:26:32 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Clamp Bolts Message-ID: <37dc82d40903040926w74535cedl36b19b0ac8ab785d@mail.gmail.com> If I don't replace the clamp bolts, I will get a roll bar! Need one anyway. Kirk 59 BE From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:32:23 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:32:23 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Tiny Dog Might Add Message-ID: <37dc82d40903040932x65d9e4ebwb6561c811aa12ad2@mail.gmail.com> Tiny Dog might add - with cell phones, etc women putting on makeup. . . Kirk From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:30:52 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:30:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Knock Sensor Message-ID: <37dc82d40903040930j78a21950n8cd3e59fc31f321@mail.gmail.com> You would also need a light on the dash board installed that lights a engine warning light if the knock sensor fails? lol Kirk From John.Deikis at va.gov Wed Mar 4 10:40:38 2009 From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:40:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Re; Victory Lane Message-ID: I cut the picture out and put it right over the pisser in the shop washroom. Right next to the "Snap-On lady." BHT Message: 8 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Soave Subject: [Spridgets] Victory Lane - Re: bugeye roll bar To: Spridgets Digest Message-ID: <283079.80221.qm at web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Norm 2Bs wrote: > A lot of good advice so far. I'm in the business & read all of the > vintage racing mags and SportsCar & others. Speaking of which, if anyone has the December 2008/Jan 2009-ish issue of Victory Lane magazine, I'm told there was a picture of yours truly in the Road America ELVF write up. I would be eternally grateful for the article. The friend who told me about it "accidentally" threw his copy out. Ron Soavenet/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rbastedo at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:42:30 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:42:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home Message-ID: Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Mar 4 10:50:58 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:50:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar In-Reply-To: <948884436.20090304084813@pacifier.com> Message-ID: > The biggest reason I don't ride Motorcycles is because of Helmet > Laws. The reason I don't ride anymore is helmet hair. From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:53:45 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:53:45 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar In-Reply-To: References: <948884436.20090304084813@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <4333f8140903040953j6ad66f91qde072b676815b7f7@mail.gmail.com> Billy, I guess in your line of work that would be a problem. Hal On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Billy Zoom wrote: > > The biggest reason I don't ride Motorcycles is because of Helmet > > Laws. > > The reason I don't ride anymore is helmet hair. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 10:56:49 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:56:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <718376.76633.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kind of reminiscent of the hood from a Datsun Roadster. --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Rick Bastedo wrote: From: Rick Bastedo Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 11:42 AM Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 11:07:21 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:07:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home In-Reply-To: <718376.76633.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <718376.76633.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have one in the back yard, should anyone need a photo of a Datsun Roadster. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:56 AM, David Booker wrote: > Kind of reminiscent of the hood from a Datsun Roadster. > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Rick Bastedo wrote: > > From: Rick Bastedo > Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 11:42 AM > > Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. > Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. > Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? > > http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg > > http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg > > Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo > You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 11:21:07 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:21:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Re; Victory Lane In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <566265.31522.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Deikis, John G wrote: > I cut the picture out and put it right over the pisser in > the shop > washroom. Right next to the "Snap-On lady." That's nice. Usually you only get to see the tail lights. 'hopper From jlaird237 at cox.net Wed Mar 4 11:29:26 2009 From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:29:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Toms River Message-ID: <4F83F813105048DCB1597435AAD38AB1@personal> I note that someone in Toms River won the big lotery. Now do you just supose Frank is intrested. From tinydog at snet.net Wed Mar 4 11:33:30 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:33:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Toms River In-Reply-To: <4F83F813105048DCB1597435AAD38AB1@personal> Message-ID: <971746.80069.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog asked: Spel chek nott woking, Jak? --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Jack Laird wrote: From: Jack Laird Subject: [Spridgets] Toms River To: "spridgets net" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 1:29 PM I note that someone in Toms River won the big lotery. Now do you just supose Frank is intrested. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Mar 4 12:49:59 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:49:59 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? Message-ID: http://www.queens-english.org/ Do any of you know anything about this? I thought they discontinued it several years ago. Is it really back? Are any of you going?? BZ From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 13:03:36 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:03:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear bearing question... Message-ID: <5F7D106F-587D-423B-9857-0B5AB907DB74@comcast.net> hello all, I am planning on replacing all rear bearings on the '59 Bugeye. For those who have done this could you give me an idea or list of what parts to order so that I won't have the car down for a week waiting for a 20 cnet bit to come in? Thanks, Lester From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:14:36 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:14:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903041214w47888a43x1d7ae147b5fd7e83@mail.gmail.com> Are those (what appear to be) bungie cords through the grille and around the front bumper holding the bumper up or the hood down? ;-) From rbastedo at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:17:00 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:17:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0903041214w47888a43x1d7ae147b5fd7e83@mail.gmail.com> References: <8de85a9c0903041214w47888a43x1d7ae147b5fd7e83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Holding the hood down, for the trip on the tow dolly. Can't be too safe right? I hadn't removed them yet, we got the car home and I went up and got the camera. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Foster wrote: > Are those (what appear to be) bungie cords through the grille and around > the front bumper holding the bumper up or the hood down? > > ;-) From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Mar 4 13:22:31 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:22:31 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0903041214w47888a43x1d7ae147b5fd7e83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > holding the bumper up or the hood down? If they're holding the hood down, they're not doing a very good job. From mikey at b2systems.com Wed Mar 4 13:25:37 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:25:37 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Unfortunately I am going :( This show is run by the same people that do the "Best of France and Italy" later in the year, they are not associated with the people that used to run a British car show there in any way (they made that very clear in a phone call). I have to trailer my 1934 Singer 1.5 Litre there and then push it off the trailer and onto the field before 8:30AM and later somehow push the darn thing back onto the trailer around 4:00PM and oh yeah drive 2 hours each way with that trailer :( Can you tell I don't want to go ? The Singer owners club was trying to have a presence there this year and I was requested by the club to bring one or both of my Singer's but both are non-running at this time in the restoration process, next year I could have driven one there like I did with the old show about 8 years ago (sold that Singer). We had 6 Singer's and one HRG (which is Singer powered by the HRG factory) lined up to be there, the HRG has backed down, the 1933 Singer is now a "maybe" and no post-war Singer will be there, so its down to my car and one 1936 Singer, so much for a presence. The club pres. and editor are flying in from Canada for the show but the cars will seriously be lacking. So yeah I am going and not looking forward to it, was hoping for rain :) It was quite nice last year, lots of cars showed up and was well organized, hope its the same this year. I prefer shows that I drive to when I feel like it and leave when I feel like it, I think its called being a spectator and not a person who pays to park all day even if he does not want to park all day. mike On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 11:49 -0800, Billy Zoom wrote: > http://www.queens-english.org/ > Do any of you know anything about this? I thought they discontinued it > several years ago. Is it really back? Are any of you going?? > BZ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mikey at b2systems.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From cmlove at knology.net Wed Mar 4 13:26:58 2009 From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004501c99d07$914af370$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Can't get there from here...<(;-o) Charles M. "Monty" Love The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:50 PM To: Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? http://www.queens-english.org/ Do any of you know anything about this? I thought they discontinued it several years ago. Is it really back? Are any of you going?? BZ You are subscribed as cmlove at knology.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tinydog at snet.net Wed Mar 4 13:29:37 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:29:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <544337.10969.qm@web83907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog is wondering: How this show compares to the one in itchycoo park? --- On Wed, 3/4/09, mike rambour wrote: From: mike rambour Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? To: "Billy Zoom" Cc: "Spridget list" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 3:25 PM From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Mar 4 14:11:56 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:11:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: <544337.10969.qm@web83907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > How this show compares to the one in itchycoo park? There's no flanging on the toms. From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 4 14:12:35 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:12:35 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will be there with my Bugeye. This is the first weekend I have had off in a while, might as well. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Billy Zoom wrote: > http://www.queens-english.org/ > Do any of you know anything about this? I thought they discontinued it > several years ago. Is it really back? Are any of you going?? > BZ From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Mar 4 14:17:51 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:17:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: > same people that do the "Best of France and > Italy" They can fill a park with Best of France??? I didn't know they did one last year. I remember the old ones. They were great, except that everybody started leaving around 10:30. I'd have to leave at the crack of dawn to see anything. BZ From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Mar 4 14:18:19 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:18:19 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Fitting a coolant drain tap... Message-ID: <49AE7F9B.12735.592685@kk7ss.verizon.net> Can a drain tap (stop cock) be fitted to the side of the 1275 block?? I'd like to be able to drain just a bit of coolant instead of the whole lot when messing around with thermostats and pulling the head... If so.. a) where on the block can it go ?? and, b) what is the thread I need?? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 4 14:27:25 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:27:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: References: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: I'm coming from San Bernardino. Will have to leave by 7AM to get there early enough for a decent spot. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: > > same people that do the "Best of France and > > Italy" > They can fill a park with Best of France??? > I didn't know they did one last year. I remember the old ones. They were > great, except that everybody started leaving around 10:30. I'd have to > leave at the crack of dawn to see anything. > BZ From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 14:27:54 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:27:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear bearing question... In-Reply-To: <5F7D106F-587D-423B-9857-0B5AB907DB74@comcast.net> References: <5F7D106F-587D-423B-9857-0B5AB907DB74@comcast.net> Message-ID: Question's been answered, thanks to all who did off list! Thanks , Lester On Mar 4, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Lester wrote: > hello all, > > I am planning on replacing all rear bearings on the '59 Bugeye. > For those who have done this could you give me an idea or list of > what parts to order so that I won't have the car down for a week > waiting for a 20 cnet bit to come in? > > Thanks, > > Lester From jimndi at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 4 14:57:09 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? References: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: My wife had a singer but I bought her a Pffaf and it sews much better. J 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike rambour" To: "Billy Zoom" Cc: "Spridget list" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? > Unfortunately I am going :( > > This show is run by the same people that do the "Best of France and > Italy" later in the year, they are not associated with the people that > used to run a British car show there in any way (they made that very > clear in a phone call). > > I have to trailer my 1934 Singer 1.5 Litre there and then push it off > the trailer and onto the field before 8:30AM and later somehow push the > darn thing back onto the trailer around 4:00PM and oh yeah drive 2 hours > each way with that trailer :( > > Can you tell I don't want to go ? The Singer owners club was trying to > have a presence there this year and I was requested by the club to bring > one or both of my Singer's but both are non-running at this time in the > restoration process, next year I could have driven one there like I did > with the old show about 8 years ago (sold that Singer). We had 6 > Singer's and one HRG (which is Singer powered by the HRG factory) lined > up to be there, the HRG has backed down, the 1933 Singer is now a > "maybe" and no post-war Singer will be there, so its down to my car and > one 1936 Singer, so much for a presence. The club pres. and editor are > flying in from Canada for the show but the cars will seriously be > lacking. > > So yeah I am going and not looking forward to it, was hoping for > rain :) It was quite nice last year, lots of cars showed up and was > well organized, hope its the same this year. I prefer shows that I > drive to when I feel like it and leave when I feel like it, I think its > called being a spectator and not a person who pays to park all day even > if he does not want to park all day. > > mike > > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 11:49 -0800, Billy Zoom wrote: >> http://www.queens-english.org/ >> Do any of you know anything about this? I thought they discontinued it >> several years ago. Is it really back? Are any of you going?? >> BZ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as mikey at b2systems.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 03/04/09 07:41:00 From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 4 15:05:52 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:05:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> I'm NOT coming from Hinsdale because I would have to leave by 7AM TOMORROW to get there early enough for a decent spot, Mike. Ed PS: In the pre-invasive surgery days, I could leave on FRIDAY morning & make it!! From mikey at b2systems.com Wed Mar 4 15:26:15 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:26:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: References: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <1236205575.24451.784.camel@WebBrowser> Its PFAFF not PFFAF, geez if you are going to make fun at least spell it right :) And where do you sit when and your wife take your Pfaff out for dinner ? I did not think there was a lot of room in a Pfaff :) mike On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:57 -0500, Jim F. wrote: > My wife had a singer but I bought her a Pffaf and it sews much better. > J > > 1960 Bugeye From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 17:50:52 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:50:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Toms River In-Reply-To: <4F83F813105048DCB1597435AAD38AB1@personal> References: <4F83F813105048DCB1597435AAD38AB1@personal> Message-ID: <49AF21EC.8000009@comcast.net> Jack Laird wrote: > I note that someone in Toms River won the big lotery. > > Local insurance company worker pool. 10 or 12 people, 200+ million. Damn, I wish it was me! I'd buy a new Aston Martin AND a Bentley :) Oh and that castle up in New Hampshire. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 17:56:03 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:56:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fitting a coolant drain tap... In-Reply-To: <49AE7F9B.12735.592685@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49AE7F9B.12735.592685@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <49AF2323.5000303@comcast.net> Dave G. wrote: > Can a drain tap (stop cock) be fitted to the side of the 1275 block?? > > There is a drain plug on the 1275s. Not like the spigot on the early engines but behind the rear cab under the head there is a bolt, I am not sure but I think a 5/8 wrench fits it. Unscrew it and coolant should flow out. They are usually semi plugged up, run a stiff wire in and out of the hole if it doesn't flow freely. This should be part of your annual coolant replacement procedure too. Or at least every couple of years, remove that bolt and make sure the block drain is clear. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 4 18:12:47 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:12:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Toms River In-Reply-To: <49AF21EC.8000009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> Yep Frank, pics on 6:00PM CST News, and NONE of them were ugly enough to be you !!!! And you want an A-M & Bentley with ASIAN parts ?? WOW!?!?!?!?!?! Guess yer going thru 'the change' ?!?!?! PPP From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 4 18:30:49 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:30:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <<...and later somehow push the darn thing back onto the trailer>> er Mike, ever hear of a 'come-a-long' and an application of extra ROPE to 'winch' it back on to the trailer ??? I HAVE done a Big Healey and a couple El Caminos that way. LOT better than 'push'! !! Ed From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 4 19:19:01 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:19:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: References: <608079.20572.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do like the way they look in a Bugeye and spridgets. Tho with a standard windshield, mine looks a bit funny because the rollbar is taller than the windshield. It's because it was a racecar and my Dad was tall. Has to be above the helmet. I'm hoping after getting it inspected (if I need to) then put the mini windscreen back on it. It looks better that way. :-) Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:12:04 -0800 > From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com > To: tinydog at snet.net; spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar > > > I think #1 is the overriding reason > You guys actually "like" the way they look??? Even on a Sprite??? > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Mar 4 19:23:08 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:23:08 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I do like the way they look in a Bugeye and spridgets. > Tho with a standard windshield, mine looks They look too much like handles. From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 21:04:16 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bugeye roll bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AF4F40.7000505@comcast.net> Billy Zoom wrote: >> I do like the way they look in a Bugeye and spridgets. >> Tho with a standard windshield, mine looks >> > They look too much like handles. > _______________________________________________ > And they make a great ladder rack when your truck is down. Canoe holder, etc. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 23:15:18 2009 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:15:18 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? In-Reply-To: References: <1236198337.24451.780.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: and later somehow push the darn thing back onto the trailer er Mike, ever hear of a 'come-a-long' and an application of extra ROPE to 'winch' it back on to the trailer ??? Better yet is a boat trailer winch mounted on the tongue of the trailer! You can put a longer strap or cable on it and just crank it up... Easier than using a come-a-long with its limited length. I have used the come-a-long many times for this job and it will work but I really prefer the winch! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 04:35:32 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:35:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430903050335k5b18e52el4a8b87abdb0415fc@mail.gmail.com> Looks sweet is that a 63 or a 62? Lin On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. > Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. > Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? > > http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg > > http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg > > Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rbastedo at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 07:18:08 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:18:08 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Two pics after getting my Sprite home In-Reply-To: <205cef430903050335k5b18e52el4a8b87abdb0415fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903050335k5b18e52el4a8b87abdb0415fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, it really does look pretty. Good question! The title actually says 1964. The VIN indicates it was near the end of the production on MKII cars. A new Carrelli carpet kit came yesterday, this car has the Autumn Leaf carpet in it now and it's in good shape so I'm going to move that to the Midget and put the new black carpet in the Sprite. Black carpet will look great in the red car! Hopefully this weekend I'll get out there and take out the seats and the steering wheel. I've already been contacted by someone who wants to buy the "custom" bonnet, trouble is I don't have any idea what it's worth. I don't have a lead on seats or steering wheel yet, those are going to be tricky to find. This is going to be fun, so much stuff to do but the body and motor are sorted so it's just the easy & fun stuff left!! Rick On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > Looks sweet is that a 63 or a 62? > Lin > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > >> Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. >> Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. >> Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? >> >> http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg >> >> http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg >> >> Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From John.Deikis at va.gov Thu Mar 5 08:05:51 2009 From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:05:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear bearing question Message-ID: Lester: Don't know the answer BUT if anybody needs rear bearings and seals, I have maybe a half-dozen sets in my spares box. No longer need them as I switched the race car over to double bearing hubs. Contact me off list at johnsfolly AT gmail.com -JohnD >Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:03:36 -0600 From: Lester Subject: [Spridgets] Rear bearing question... To: bugeye at yahoogroups.com, Spridgets list Message-ID: <5F7D106F-587D-423B-9857-0B5AB907DB74 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes hello all, I am planning on replacing all rear bearings on the '59 Bugeye. For those who have done this could you give me an idea or list of what parts to order so that I won't have the car down for a week waiting for a 20 cnet bit to come in? Thanks, Lester From andrewpayne at intrex.net Thu Mar 5 08:33:25 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: <988211508.20090304072926@pacifier.com> References: <200903041459.n24ExWk5031526@green.excel.net> <988211508.20090304072926@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <2D31ACA148834BB19E7A4551B6CD1DD2@AndrewHP> Dear list, I was going to stay out of this as I got basically the same thread going several months ago. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I'm finding that is par for the course on this list;) First off, there were two of us discussing our experiences with rollovers, and I believe that my experience may be the one Lester was remembering. My wife was not with me, but other than that, pretty accurate. The main points were about 25mph (definitely second gear) twisty, washboard gravel road, instant tire deflation mid-corner, embankment, 180 degree rollover, roll bar, now every time I hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" I fell like someone is walking over my grave. Yes, tinydog, I was a teenager at the time, but I doubt that many on the list would be confident of their skills with three tires, limited traction, after a spin induced by the rock that ripped the tire, with only 10 feet in which to correct all of that. The cop agreed, once he saw I was humbled, he did not have anything else to say. I'm not saying my skills were perfect, just that sometimes things change fast. Very fast. While I think Bill is right that defensive driving is key, his "it'll help a little, yeah, it makes ya feel better, but basically my belief is "If you crash, you DIE" comment is not always true. I crashed, I survived, unhurt, due to a roll bar and seatbelts. Period. It does not make you invincible, but increase your odds. I told my dad that Midgets were too short to flip, he insisted on a roll bar, I lived. It was in the car when I bought it about 18 years ago, and it still is, scuffs and all. I too am a little odd, but I don't ride a motorcycle because I don't ride anything that falls over when you let go of it. I did buy the bar for my Miata. It came from Hard Dog, nice guys. They have a shop name Bethania Garage, just north of Winston-Salem in NC I picked it up and saved some money. They run a good shop and seem to take real pride in their work. Drew From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Mar 5 09:09:21 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:09:21 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: <2D31ACA148834BB19E7A4551B6CD1DD2@AndrewHP> Message-ID: My song was a live version of Chuck Berry's "Bye Bye Johnny" done by the Stones. To add to the debate, I once heard of a guy who stole a Midget, went for a joy ride, hit gravel over asphalt on a corner, slid into a curb sideways and flipped onto someone's lawn. Unhurt, but apprehended. If the car had had a rollbar, he might have escaped. :) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Andrew Payne" Dear list, I was going to stay out of this as I got basically the same thread going several months ago. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I'm finding that is par for the course on this list;) First off, there were two of us discussing our experiences with rollovers, and I believe that my experience may be the one Lester was remembering. My wife was not with me, but other than that, pretty accurate. The main points were about 25mph (definitely second gear) twisty, washboard gravel road, instant tire deflation mid-corner, embankment, 180 degree rollover, roll bar, now every time I hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" I fell like someone is walking over my grave. Yes, tinydog, I was a teenager at the time, but I doubt that many on the list would be confident of their skills with three tires, limited traction, after a spin induced by the rock that ripped the tire, with only 10 feet in which to correct all of that. The cop agreed, once he saw I was humbled, he did not have anything else to say. I'm not saying my skills were perfect, just that sometimes things change fast. Very fast. While I think Bill is right that defensive driving is key, his "it'll help a little, yeah, it makes ya feel better, but basically my belief is "If you crash, you DIE" comment is not always true. I crashed, I survived, unhurt, due to a roll bar and seatbelts. Period. It does not make you invincible, but increase your odds. I told my dad that Midgets were too short to flip, he insisted on a roll bar, I lived. It was in the car when I bought it about 18 years ago, and it still is, scuffs and all. I too am a little odd, but I don't ride a motorcycle because I don't ride anything that falls over when you let go of it. I did buy the bar for my Miata. It came from Hard Dog, nice guys. They have a shop name Bethania Garage, just north of Winston-Salem in NC I picked it up and saved some money. They run a good shop and seem to take real pride in their work. Drew From tinydog at snet.net Thu Mar 5 09:22:51 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:22:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <893192.77347.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog offered-up: This is like an SUV thread. Some people have valid uses for SUV's and own them for their "utility". Some people install roll-bars because they honestly have a desire for increased safety. otoh Some people don't have valid uses for SUV's and own them ... well, just because, ... and list reasons to justify them, like "I need traction in the snow". Some people install roll-bars but don't honestly have a desire for increased safety, but like the way they look, and list reasons to justify them, like "I am interested in safety.". I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm just stating an observation that some people drive SUV's because they think their cool and likewise, some people install roll bars, and whatever else, because they think their cool. I personally drive a 1959 Rambler Station Wagon...purely to be cool. I have no need for a station wagon. PS If I were to flip a car I would want to be listening to Tired & Sleepy by the Cochran Brothers. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Andrew Payne" Dear list, I was going to stay out of this as I got basically the same thread going several months ago. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I'm finding that is par for the course on this list;) First off, there were two of us discussing our experiences with rollovers, and I believe that my experience may be the one Lester was remembering. From duncan at pondhop.com Thu Mar 5 09:47:28 2009 From: duncan at pondhop.com (Duncan Sinclair) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:47:28 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: <893192.77347.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <893192.77347.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How do you reach the pedals? Enquiring minds lol Duncan -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tinydog at snet.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:23 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread tinydog offered-up: This is like an SUV thread. Some people have valid uses for SUV's and own them for their "utility". Some people install roll-bars because they honestly have a desire for increased safety. otoh Some people don't have valid uses for SUV's and own them ... well, just because, ... and list reasons to justify them, like "I need traction in the snow". Some people install roll-bars but don't honestly have a desire for increased safety, but like the way they look, and list reasons to justify them, like "I am interested in safety.". I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm just stating an observation that some people drive SUV's because they think their cool and likewise, some people install roll bars, and whatever else, because they think their cool. I personally drive a 1959 Rambler Station Wagon...purely to be cool. I have no need for a station wagon. PS If I were to flip a car I would want to be listening to Tired & Sleepy by the Cochran Brothers. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Andrew Payne" Dear list, I was going to stay out of this as I got basically the same thread going several months ago. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I'm finding that is par for the course on this list;) First off, there were two of us discussing our experiences with rollovers, and I believe that my experience may be the one Lester was remembering. You are subscribed as duncan at pondhop.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 From tinydog at snet.net Thu Mar 5 09:51:34 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:51:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22022.2120.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog responded: I have paw controls on the steering wheel. I also have a "Suicide Knob". Remember them? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Duncan Sinclair wrote: From: Duncan Sinclair Subject: RE: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread To: tinydog at snet.net, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:47 AM How do you reach the pedals? Enquiring minds lol From pythias at pacifier.com Thu Mar 5 10:08:03 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:08:03 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] It's that time again Message-ID: <617971791.20090305090803@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, Daylight savings time changes this weekend. That means it's been 6 months since the last time all the ZERKS in our cars were lubed. Time to get out the grease gun and hit the fittings. just a friendly reminder. Also, .. ya'll may have heard it, but... I want to die in my sleep like my Grampa, not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Behind every successful man - a surprised mother-in-law. From tinydog at snet.net Thu Mar 5 10:14:11 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <881620.62295.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog answered: Don't be silly. Of course I do. But when I drive I keep my head out the window. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Brad Fornal wrote: From: Brad Fornal Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread To: tinydog at snet.net Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:00 PM Do you have a windscreen? I know OUR dog liked her nose in the wind.... On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, wrote: tinydog responded: I have paw controls on the steering wheel. I also have a "Suicide Knob". Remember them? From wbmcleod at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 10:35:25 2009 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (Bill McLeod) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:35:25 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] It's that time again In-Reply-To: <617971791.20090305090803@pacifier.com> References: <617971791.20090305090803@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <49B00D5D.2090808@gmail.com> Speaking of that time again.... It's about time we sent the Fat Chance Garage some money so Mark can have a little cover for all the hours and all the money he spends running this and other lists. Bill M Bill L wrote: > Hello Spridgets, > > Daylight savings time changes this weekend. That means it's > been 6 months since the last time all the ZERKS in our cars > were lubed. Time to get out the grease gun and hit the > fittings. > > > just a friendly reminder. > > Also, .. ya'll may have heard it, but... > > I want to die in my sleep like my Grampa, not screaming in > terror like the passengers in his car. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 10:36:02 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:36:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: <881620.62295.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <881620.62295.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ever get your nose pinched going through a drive up ATM machine?? LOL On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:14 AM, wrote: > tinydog answered: > > Don't be silly. Of course I do. But when I drive I keep my head out the > window. > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Brad Fornal wrote: > From: Brad Fornal > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread > To: tinydog at snet.net > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:00 PM > > Do you have a windscreen? I know OUR dog liked her nose in the wind.... > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, wrote: > > tinydog responded: > > > > I have paw controls on the steering wheel. > > > > I also have a "Suicide Knob". Remember them? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Mar 5 11:12:47 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:12:47 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar Message-ID: Go to army surplus and buy a used tank? In a message dated 04/03/2009 15:40:10 GMT Standard Time, pythias at pacifier.com writes: If you want to be SAFE when you drive, get something modern, with air bags. Make sure it weighs a couple of tons or more. Put in a 4 point seat belt. Wear a Helmet. My 2" From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Mar 5 11:16:04 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:16:04 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Woodley Park??? Message-ID: Is it what did you seee there? or You'll all to beautiful? In a message dated 04/03/2009 21:11:37 GMT Standard Time, billyzoom at billyzoom.com writes: one in itchycoo park From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Mar 5 11:21:15 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:21:15 EST Subject: [Spridgets] It's that time again Message-ID: Not in this country? Guy where are you when I need back-up? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 05/03/2009 17:08:14 GMT Standard Time, pythias at pacifier.com writes: Daylight savings time changes this weekend From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 11:36:04 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:36:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <808415.78915.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/5/09, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: "Go to army surplus and buy a used tank?" Better yet - stay in bed and watch a video about driving... I may be unsafe with only a rollbar and belts and a watchful eye for the idiots, but at least I have a big grin on my face and am enjoying the ride. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From cclabaw at juno.com Thu Mar 5 12:05:41 2009 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:05:41 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread Message-ID: <20090305.110541.15695.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> aka "Necker Knob" Clay L. -- tinydog at snet.net wrote: tinydog responded: I have paw controls on the steering wheel. I also have a "Suicide Knob". Remember them? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Duncan Sinclair wrote: From: Duncan Sinclair Subject: RE: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread To: tinydog at snet.net, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:47 AM How do you reach the pedals? Enquiring minds lol You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Get a Dental Assistant Degree. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOuGY88Clc3w9jHdWgHqMdCwfyZ nfy4TcUl5NgkRMOwm5rzRQffu4/ From twobees at sprynet.com Thu Mar 5 12:34:23 2009 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:34:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Re.: Roll Bar/Ladder Rack Message-ID: <005301c99dc9$63966dc0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Frank is right. " And they make a great ladder rack when your truck is down. Canoe holder, etc." See: http://mgclub.homestead.com/files/photox1.htm Not posted on CTMGClub.com is photo of MGB carrying a Sunfish on the way to a day of heavy air sailing on LI Sound. Norm Sippel From andrewpayne at intrex.net Thu Mar 5 12:46:46 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: <893192.77347.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <893192.77347.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96C7797AD11E44D99786AA57C6D13A0E@AndrewHP> Well Mr. Dog, I believe I am guilty of a few SUV threads too. I may just be trouble, my last name IS Payne... I'm not criticizing people for choosing not to have a roll bar, just for blanket statements that they offer no protection. Bullet proof vests don't help if you get shot in the head, but they still help a lot of our law enforcement officers. I am reminded of two stories. A Highway Patrol Officer once told me, "I don't care if they wear a helmet, so long as when there's a problem I can just shoot 'em and finish the job they started. I'm tired of using resources for their vain death wish. You get bitter after you try to find all the bits of brain and skull to send with the ambulance." When the seatbelt law passed in NC, my grandmother called my father upset that the belts messed up her ultra-suede. She asked if his doctor friend would write her a note so she would not have to wear a belt. Her friend received such a note following her open heart surgery, so the logic was clearly sound. She asked what the note would say, "Ellen does not need to wear her seatbelt because she is so old it does not matter if she lives or dies; she is longer of any use to anybody." All the young people wear safety belts, he explained, because they matter to the world. Once you don't matter anymore stop wearing them. She always wore a seatbelt from that day on. Drew From mikey at b2systems.com Thu Mar 5 13:03:29 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:03:29 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: <96C7797AD11E44D99786AA57C6D13A0E@AndrewHP> References: <893192.77347.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <96C7797AD11E44D99786AA57C6D13A0E@AndrewHP> Message-ID: <1236283409.24451.818.camel@WebBrowser> Rollbars also make the car very safe to drive, in my younger days I survived (with no injuries to me or to my then girlfriend that still married me a year later) a roll over in my FIAT convertible with NO roll bar. How my gf and I survived that roll over without the roll bar I will never know but we did. First thing I did when I started driving a convertible again was buy a roll bar (her Dad insisted on it) and I have never rolled a car since so obviously they add tremendous safety. Seriously, it all depends on your risk factor...I also ride motorcycles but I wear full leathers and helmet when I do. Roll bars do add safety but I am sure people have died when they had one and survived when they did not, nothing is 100% safe, do what you feel is right and live a great life. I have even looked into getting a roll bar for my S2000 even though I feel that car would be hard to roll over unless I do something stupid, like go offroading down the mountain like 34 years ago. mike From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 5 13:03:52 2009 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:03:52 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] It's that time again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm here. But the idea of only greasing "zerks" once every 6 months doesn't fit my schedule! I do them every month on my car! Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sent: 05 March 2009 18:21 To: pythias at pacifier.com; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] It's that time again Not in this country? Guy where are you when I need back-up? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 05/03/2009 17:08:14 GMT Standard Time, pythias at pacifier.com writes: Daylight savings time changes this weekend You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From conan at intrex.net Thu Mar 5 13:11:02 2009 From: conan at intrex.net (conan) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:11:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread Message-ID: <200903051511.AA3328835766@intrex.net> >>I also have a "Suicide Knob". Remember them? I remember them, but I always heard them called "Necker Knobs". :-) Ed in NC From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Mar 5 13:44:22 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:44:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread In-Reply-To: <1236283409.24451.818.camel@WebBrowser> References: <893192.77347.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <96C7797AD11E44D99786AA57C6D13A0E@AndrewHP> <1236283409.24451.818.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: Soo.. you drove an 850 too ehh.. ;-) Lester On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:03 PM, mike rambour wrote: > Rollbars also make the car very safe to drive, in my younger days I > survived (with no injuries to me or to my then girlfriend that still > married me a year later) a roll over in my FIAT convertible with NO > roll > bar. How my gf and I survived that roll over without the roll bar I > will never know but we did. First thing I did when I started > driving a > convertible again was buy a roll bar (her Dad insisted on it) and I > have > never rolled a car since so obviously they add tremendous safety. > > > Seriously, it all depends on your risk factor...I also ride > motorcycles > but I wear full leathers and helmet when I do. Roll bars do add > safety > but I am sure people have died when they had one and survived when > they > did not, nothing is 100% safe, do what you feel is right and live a > great life. I have even looked into getting a roll bar for my S2000 > even though I feel that car would be hard to roll over unless I do > something stupid, like go offroading down the mountain like 34 years > ago. > > mike From cclabaw at juno.com Thu Mar 5 13:58:31 2009 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:58:31 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Roll Bar - raising the dead thread Message-ID: <20090305.125831.6026.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> One of the problems with any safety equipment is what insurance people refer to as "moral risk". This is when you believe that the equipment will save you, no matter how dumb you behave. This effect is also seen with "insured" savings. "The whole bank couldn't fail, could it?" Also known as "this is foolproof, and nothing could possibly go wrong, go wrong, go ..." Clay L. '67 Sprite -- mike rambour wrote: Rollbars also make the car very safe to drive, in my younger days I survived (with no injuries to me or to my then girlfriend that still married me a year later) a roll over in my FIAT convertible with NO roll bar. How my gf and I survived that roll over without the roll bar I will never know but we did. First thing I did when I started driving a convertible again was buy a roll bar (her Dad insisted on it) and I have never rolled a car since so obviously they add tremendous safety. Seriously, it all depends on your risk factor...I also ride motorcycles but I wear full leathers and helmet when I do. Roll bars do add safety but I am sure people have died when they had one and survived when they did not, nothing is 100% safe, do what you feel is right and live a great life. I have even looked into getting a roll bar for my S2000 even though I feel that car would be hard to roll over unless I do something stupid, like go offroading down the mountain like 34 years ago. mike You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTInoNDpxk2ZyxMy27eUU0V7mZKK SfQ4wgPuLIbXMUX4pGnrfYYQwA/ From d.swanson at earthlink.net Thu Mar 5 16:23:04 2009 From: d.swanson at earthlink.net (Dean Swanson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:23:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch Line Flare Type (was Clutch Slave Cylinder) Message-ID: Well it appears that my leaky new slave cylinder is due to either the collapse or separation of the actual flare on the end of the rigid clutch pipe; so does anyone know what the proper flare type is so I can get it flared again? Dean Swanson '62 A.H. Sprite mkII (that one day may see the road again) From grday at btinternet.com Thu Mar 5 16:36:17 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:36:17 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] It's that time again References: Message-ID: <7921B419F2BD4B89B5D655B188064033@dell330> Which Guy? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] It's that time again > Not in this country? Guy where are you when I need back-up? > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 05/03/2009 17:08:14 GMT Standard Time, > pythias at pacifier.com writes: > > Daylight savings time changes this weekend > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rbastedo at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 06:00:19 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 05:00:19 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Carpet (Two pics...) Message-ID: Hi Linda, check Ebay Item number: 310127034264 Here's their store: http://stores.ebay.com/Chart-One-Automotive I asked on BCF and got several good recommendations for them, and they are a good merchant and the product is great for the price! Rick On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > Rick, > > I did a search for Carrelli carpet kit but couldn't find anything what is > it a wool carpet? Do you have a photo of that? I'm looking for ether nice > pile to do myself or order a kit. > > Lin > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > >> Thanks, it really does look pretty. >> >> Good question! >> The title actually says 1964. >> The VIN indicates it was near the end of the production on MKII cars. >> >> A new Carrelli carpet kit came yesterday, this car has the Autumn Leaf >> carpet in it now and it's in good shape so I'm going to move that to the >> Midget and put the new black carpet in the Sprite. >> Black carpet will look great in the red car! >> >> Hopefully this weekend I'll get out there and take out the seats and the >> steering wheel. >> I've already been contacted by someone who wants to buy the "custom" >> bonnet, trouble is I don't have any idea what it's worth. >> >> I don't have a lead on seats or steering wheel yet, those are going to be >> tricky to find. >> >> This is going to be fun, so much stuff to do but the body and motor are >> sorted so it's just the easy & fun stuff left!! >> >> Rick >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: >> >>> Looks sweet is that a 63 or a 62? >>> Lin >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Rick Bastedo wrote: >>> >>>> Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. >>>> Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. >>>> Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? >>>> >>>> http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg >>>> >>>> http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg >>>> >>>> Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com >>>> >>>> http://www.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 07:19:53 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:19:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Carpet (Two pics...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Though you may want to see if they will place the heel pad on the alternate footwell carpeting, for the US. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > Hi Linda, check Ebay Item number: 310127034264 > > Here's their store: > http://stores.ebay.com/Chart-One-Automotive > > I asked on BCF and got several good recommendations for them, and they are > a > good merchant and the product is great for the price! > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner >wrote: > > > Rick, > > > > I did a search for Carrelli carpet kit but couldn't find anything what is > > it a wool carpet? Do you have a photo of that? I'm looking for ether nice > > pile to do myself or order a kit. > > > > Lin > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > > > >> Thanks, it really does look pretty. > >> > >> Good question! > >> The title actually says 1964. > >> The VIN indicates it was near the end of the production on MKII cars. > >> > >> A new Carrelli carpet kit came yesterday, this car has the Autumn Leaf > >> carpet in it now and it's in good shape so I'm going to move that to the > >> Midget and put the new black carpet in the Sprite. > >> Black carpet will look great in the red car! > >> > >> Hopefully this weekend I'll get out there and take out the seats and the > >> steering wheel. > >> I've already been contacted by someone who wants to buy the "custom" > >> bonnet, trouble is I don't have any idea what it's worth. > >> > >> I don't have a lead on seats or steering wheel yet, those are going to > be > >> tricky to find. > >> > >> This is going to be fun, so much stuff to do but the body and motor are > >> sorted so it's just the easy & fun stuff left!! > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Linda Grunthaner >wrote: > >> > >>> Looks sweet is that a 63 or a 62? > >>> Lin > >>> > >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Rick Bastedo >wrote: > >>> > >>>> Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. > >>>> Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. > >>>> Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? > >>>> > >>>> http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg > >>>> > >>>> http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg > >>>> > >>>> Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>>> > >>>> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> http://www.team.net/archive > >>>> > >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From rbastedo at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 07:21:49 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 06:21:49 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Carpet (Two pics...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ooh - I'd better check that on mine - hadn't thought of it... On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Brad Fornal wrote: > Though you may want to see if they will place the heel pad on the alternate > footwell carpeting, for the US. > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > >> Hi Linda, check Ebay Item number: 310127034264 >> >> Here's their store: >> http://stores.ebay.com/Chart-One-Automotive >> >> I asked on BCF and got several good recommendations for them, and they are >> a >> good merchant and the product is great for the price! >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner > >wrote: >> >> > Rick, >> > >> > I did a search for Carrelli carpet kit but couldn't find anything what >> is >> > it a wool carpet? Do you have a photo of that? I'm looking for ether >> nice >> > pile to do myself or order a kit. >> > >> > Lin From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 07:40:45 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Matching Spray Can Paint available Message-ID: <205cef430903060640r4db0201bh73d4e6ec154356d3@mail.gmail.com> I received a message from http:towerpaint requesting matching spray can colors for my pink Sprite so I can blend on my repairs without buying a quart of expensive paint and having to clean the gun. I also have need for other vintage colors and they said they can do the match. I know some of you are just doing simple blends and this could save time and money not to menton cleanup time & expense. Try http://www.towerpaint.com/ Linda From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 07:50:09 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:50:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Matching Spray Can Paint available In-Reply-To: <205cef430903060640r4db0201bh73d4e6ec154356d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903060640r4db0201bh73d4e6ec154356d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903060650y532b18ach9d23dd395b233988@mail.gmail.com> I have a friend with a body shop. He was painting a blue Honda the other day. The formula called for no less than ten ingredients. His cost to mix one quart was over $100 in just material. Paint prices have gone sky high, I guess like everything else. From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 08:38:19 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Matching Spray Can Paint available In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903060650y532b18ach9d23dd395b233988@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903060640r4db0201bh73d4e6ec154356d3@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903060650y532b18ach9d23dd395b233988@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903060738g45960d27vf0c46f44eb4e253b@mail.gmail.com> These cans are around $20.00. Lin On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM, derf wrote: > I have a friend with a body shop. He was painting a blue Honda the > other day. The formula called for no less than ten ingredients. His > cost to mix one quart was over $100 in just material. Paint prices > have gone sky high, I guess like everything else. From peter at nosimport.com Fri Mar 6 08:38:27 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:38:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch Line Flare Type (was Clutch Slave Cylinder) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903060738277.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Single or bubble flare with 3/8"-24 nut on a 3/16 line. Peter == At 05:23 PM 3/5/2009, Dean Swanson wrote: >Well it appears that my leaky new slave cylinder is due to either the >collapse or separation of the actual flare on the end of the rigid clutch >pipe; so does anyone know what the proper flare type is so I can get it >flared again? > > > >Dean Swanson > >'62 A.H. Sprite mkII (that one day may see the road again) From rbastedo at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 08:46:02 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:46:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Seats (Two pics...) Message-ID: It has high back late Midget seats with the headrests. They are black and pretty good shape, but they can't recline past the roll bar so I can't get enough room to sit in the car. I want to sell them and buy some early seats, but I don't know what the ones I have are worth. Rick On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:32 AM, William M. Gilroy wrote: > What kind of seats are in there now? > > Rick Bastedo wrote: > > Thanks, it really does look pretty. > > Good question! > The title actually says 1964. > The VIN indicates it was near the end of the production on MKII cars. > > A new Carrelli carpet kit came yesterday, this car has the Autumn Leaf > carpet in it now and it's in good shape so I'm going to move that to the > Midget and put the new black carpet in the Sprite. > Black carpet will look great in the red car! > > Hopefully this weekend I'll get out there and take out the seats and the > steering wheel. > I've already been contacted by someone who wants to buy the "custom" bonnet, > trouble is I don't have any idea what it's worth. > > I don't have a lead on seats or steering wheel yet, those are going to be > tricky to find. > > This is going to be fun, so much stuff to do but the body and motor are > sorted so it's just the easy & fun stuff left!! > > Rick > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > > > > Looks sweet is that a 63 or a 62? > Lin > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Rick Bastedo wrote: > > > > Here are a couple quick pictures of my new Sprite. > Yes, that hood is all steel. Very well made. > Anyone want to buy it, help fund the work I need to do on this car? > http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home01.jpg > http://www.bastedo.net/sprite/home02.jpg > > Rick (got that Spritely feeling) Bastedo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > http://www.team.net/archive > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > http://www.team.net/archive > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jimndi at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 6 09:15:11 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:15:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch Line Flare Type (was Clutch Slave Cylinder) References: <200903060738277.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <500CF7BC51BE4AACADA573463561366D@MAINCOMPUTER> What is the angle of the flare? A few years ago I had to buy a special 37 degree flareing tool for an stainless fittings. Isn't a standard Brake/Clutch slave etc. a 45 degree double flare? 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" To: "Dean Swanson" ; Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Clutch Line Flare Type (was Clutch Slave Cylinder) > Single or bubble flare with 3/8"-24 nut on a 3/16 line. > Peter > == > At 05:23 PM 3/5/2009, Dean Swanson wrote: >>Well it appears that my leaky new slave cylinder is due to either the >>collapse or separation of the actual flare on the end of the rigid clutch >>pipe; so does anyone know what the proper flare type is so I can get it >>flared again? >> >> >> >>Dean Swanson >> >>'62 A.H. Sprite mkII (that one day may see the road again) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 From kgb at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 6 09:24:13 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:13 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Seats (Two pics...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B14E2D.6000902@frontiernet.net> What if you remove the headrests? Kate Rick Bastedo wrote: > It has high back late Midget seats with the headrests. > They are black and pretty good shape, but they can't recline past the roll > bar so I can't get enough room to sit in the car. > I want to sell them and buy some early seats, but I don't know what the ones > I have are worth. > > Rick From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 09:40:44 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:40:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question Message-ID: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> In my area of the world, Vacaville, which is about 40 miles West of Sacramento. . . a car built before 1967 does not need to have seat belts. I have confirmed this with a few local cops. I have seat belts, but if I happen to jump in and drive to the store without them, I am not breaking the law. I was surprised when I learned this. Is this true in other parts of the country? Kirk 59BE From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 09:44:57 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:44:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903060844k52b46710h2d3126bcc301100b@mail.gmail.com> Yes, but why would you go anywhere without belting in? In many areas older cars and pickup trucks aren't required to have seat belts. But, part of the pioneering spirit of MG/AH was the safety aspect. People thought the seatbelts in early Mustangs were bad at the time but now it is commonly accepted that seat belts do save lives. From jimndi at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 6 09:46:02 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:46:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> I live in NY and have 2 Antique cars I installed Belts in both The local police tell me that if the vehicle has a seat belt, It must be worn, On a stupider note, the law in NY requires a windshield wiper but does not require a windshield. go figure 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" To: Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question > In my area of the world, Vacaville, which is about 40 miles West of > Sacramento. . . a car built before 1967 does not need to have seat belts. > I > have confirmed this with a few local cops. I have seat belts, but if I > happen to jump in and drive to the store without them, I am not breaking > the > law. > > I was surprised when I learned this. > > Is this true in other parts of the country? > > Kirk > 59BE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 6 09:52:25 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:52:25 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: Ontario Canada If the car came with belts installed, they have to be worn. Not sure what happens "if they are installed by owner". But, I wouldn't want to be debating that with an officer. > > In my area of the world, Vacaville, which is about 40 miles West of > > Sacramento. . . a car built before 1967 does not need to have seat belts. > > I > > have confirmed this with a few local cops. I have seat belts, but if I > > happen to jump in and drive to the store without them, I am not breaking > > the > > law. > > > > I was surprised when I learned this. > > > > Is this true in other parts of the country? > > > > Kirk > > 59BE From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 09:52:28 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:52:28 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903060852m208054c2lfc0a5b8d9189d872@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, and I've heard of drivers of right hand drive cars in areas where they require mirrors on the left side and not on the side where the driver sits. Nowadays, though, they have those cool magnets that can be used to mount mirrors temporarily. From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 09:53:16 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:53:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903060853q7d4c2429q2da74524d29bb0e0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jim F. wrote: > I live in NY and have 2 Antique cars I installed Belts in both The local > police tell me that if the vehicle has a seat belt, It must be worn, I believe that to be the case in Illinois as well. Pre-1964 (I believe) vehicles are not required to have belts _installed_; but if they are there you'd better have them in use if stopped! > On a stupider note, the law in NY requires a windshield wiper but does not > require a windshield. Same here in Illinois when my brother had a street legal "dune buggy". He got stopped for no windshiled and the officer called in to verify when my brother told him they weren't required. He came back writing a ticket for no wipers ... that's when my brother pointed out the old manual wiper from a Model T mounted to the bottom of the front roll bar! From mikey at b2systems.com Thu Mar 5 18:47:27 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:47:27 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236304047.24451.825.camel@WebBrowser> I believe that is true for all of California as I don't have to have seat belts on my 1934 Singer. I don't even have to have the brake lights or rear lights on my car, the lady at the DMV just said be prepared to be stopped by every officer who sees the car without rear lights and be prepared to prove that it did not have them originally, of course I am putting on rear lights and brake lights :) Both my 34's will have seat belts just like my 53 did, I like seat belts in my wood covered by a beer can cars. My 67 Dino does not have to have belts either, but I put them in already. mike On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 08:40 -0800, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > In my area of the world, Vacaville, which is about 40 miles West of > Sacramento. . . a car built before 1967 does not need to have seat belts. I > have confirmed this with a few local cops. I have seat belts, but if I > happen to jump in and drive to the store without them, I am not breaking the > law. > > I was surprised when I learned this. > > Is this true in other parts of the country? > > Kirk > 59BE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mikey at b2systems.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jimndi at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 6 10:05:30 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> <8de85a9c0903060853q7d4c2429q2da74524d29bb0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001650A1238546A0B578D33E400CC170@MAINCOMPUTER> Oh yeh such wisdom. I am just so thankful that our legistators are so wise when these laws are made.. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Foster To: Jim F. Cc: Kirk Hargreaves ; spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jim F. wrote: I live in NY and have 2 Antique cars I installed Belts in both The local police tell me that if the vehicle has a seat belt, It must be worn, I believe that to be the case in Illinois as well. Pre-1964 (I believe) vehicles are not required to have belts _installed_; but if they are there you'd better have them in use if stopped! On a stupider note, the law in NY requires a windshield wiper but does not require a windshield. Same here in Illinois when my brother had a street legal "dune buggy". He got stopped for no windshiled and the officer called in to verify when my brother told him they weren't required. He came back writing a ticket for no wipers ... that's when my brother pointed out the old manual wiper from a Model T mounted to the bottom of the front roll bar! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Mar 6 10:05:17 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:05:17 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <25091953.20090306090517@pacifier.com> Hello Kirk, I've read the statues for Washington State. Here, any car sold in or after the 1964 Model year was required to have front seat belts. If a car originally sold in another state is brought into Washington, the owner has 60 days (IIRC) to install them. There's an RC#. lets' call it 1145.67 A later law lets call it RC 1245.7, requires 3 point lap and shoulder belts as per federal law (1968), and a still later law call for belts in the rear seats. lets call it RC 1345.7. A still later law says that anyone riding in a car covered under rc 1145.7, 1245.7 or 1345.7 must wear the belts... and a still later law say that any car equipped under any of the three must use a child safety seat. This is the only law i've ever seen dealing with automobiles that requires retrofitting of safety equipment, as Federal law dealing with seat belts didn't come into effect until, again IIRC 1966, with the majority of now accepted safety equipment coming in 1968. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want! From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Mar 6 10:08:26 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:08:26 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0903060853q7d4c2429q2da74524d29bb0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My '66 Ranchero has a bench seat and two belts. I was told by a police officer friend that it's OK to have a center unbuckled passenger. It's only come up once. I guess I'm not very sociable. BZ From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 10:10:54 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:10:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <133617.87947.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Jim F. wrote: "NY requires a windshield wiper but does not require a windshield." I also live in New York - you're right about the windshield wiper law. A neighbor down the street has a '32 Hiboy Roadster with maybe a 6" windshield. It does nothing but deflect some of the bugs into your face (but looks very cool). He's legal because he clamped a single wiper that is about 4" long to the top of the windshield's driver side. Power? There's a little chrome T-handle you can twist back and forth. Ridiculous, but perfectly legal. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 6 10:13:02 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:13:02 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: References: <8de85a9c0903060853q7d4c2429q2da74524d29bb0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder if it makes a difference if you have one or two passengers? ie: if you had that police officer's wife sitting in the middle while you had no other passengers. Do you think he'd say: "you have an available seat belt for her ... use it!"? ;) > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:08:26 -0800 > > My '66 Ranchero has a bench seat and two belts. I was told by a police > officer friend that it's OK to have a center unbuckled passenger. It's only > come up once. I guess I'm not very sociable. > BZ From mikey at b2systems.com Thu Mar 5 18:56:43 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:56:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <001650A1238546A0B578D33E400CC170@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> <8de85a9c0903060853q7d4c2429q2da74524d29bb0e0@mail.gmail.com> <001650A1238546A0B578D33E400CC170@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <1236304603.24451.832.camel@WebBrowser> > On a stupider note, the law in NY requires a windshield wiper but does not > require a windshield. Back in the early 1970's I got a ticket for driving my 53 Singer with the windshield folded down. A attorney friend of my Mom's told me how to get out of it and IT WORKED. The Calif. law at the time stated that all cars must have a "adequate windshield", I argued that my car did have a adequate windshield, it was just folded down at the time of the ticket but it was fully functional. I was the high school hero for a short while after that, as all the kids with the Jeeps and Land Cruiser 4x4's drove around town with their windshields folded down. They fixed that loophole in the law quite quickly, I found out later it was already in the process of being fixed long before my ticket. Mike From thcollin at mtu.edu Fri Mar 6 10:14:32 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Seat belt use Message-ID: <7ll0se$5vb7q6@email.mtu.edu> The news media is bragging up the fact that Michigan is #1 in the Nation for seat belt use. I guess that means the dozen or so folks who still have a job and drive to work are wearing their belts. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From rbastedo at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 10:20:43 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:20:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Seats (Two pics...) Message-ID: The later Midget seats are just too wide and the backs are too flat. The headrest doesn't hit, it's the sides of the seats that hit the rollbar. The earlier seat backs curve to fit in back there. ----------------------------------------------------------- From: Kathryn Bales Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Seats (Two pics...) Cc: spridgets Message-ID: <49B14E2D.6000902 at frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed What if you remove the headrests? Kate Rick Bastedo wrote: > It has high back late Midget seats with the headrests. > They are black and pretty good shape, but they can't recline past the roll > bar so I can't get enough room to sit in the car. > I want to sell them and buy some early seats, but I don't know what the ones > I have are worth. > > Rick From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 10:33:36 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:33:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Seats available and window crank handles needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <137222.908.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anybody need seats from a '71? These are the originals that came in the car and are fairly rough. They are missing the headrests. I'll let them go really cheap - or maybe trade for something else? They need skins, diaphragms, etc - but are something to start with. Also - I need another set of window cranks - One of mine broke in half. I don't know if there were multiple ones available over the years, so would like to replace as a pair. Anybody got a set they will let go of? (want to trade for some seats?) ;-) David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Fri Mar 6 11:09:17 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:09:17 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Seats (Two pics...) Message-ID: There are 2 types of headrest fitted to Spridget seats. In a message dated 06/03/2009 16:24:33 GMT Standard Time, kgb at frontiernet.net writes: What if you remove the headrests? Kate Rick Bastedo wrote: > It has high back late Midget seats with the headrests. From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Mar 6 11:57:04 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:57:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903060852m208054c2lfc0a5b8d9189d872@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> <5f00d9910903060852m208054c2lfc0a5b8d9189d872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B17200.9050103@comcast.net> derf wrote: > Yeah, and I've heard of drivers of right hand drive cars in areas > where they require mirrors on the left side and not on the side where > the driver sits. > > Like NJ for one. Even if you have a mirror on the right side of a RH drive car, NJ law says it HAS to be on the left side. I failed inspection for this. Also if there are seat belts in the car, they must be worn even if you installed them in a Bugeye that never had seatbelts. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From jimndi at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 6 12:12:47 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:12:47 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com> <208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> <5f00d9910903060852m208054c2lfc0a5b8d9189d872@mail.gmail.com> <49B17200.9050103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1F3F522BEB8B443AB538A5ECD9F8CBB0@MAINCOMPUTER> The absolute genius of these elected lawmakers amazes me. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clarici" To: "derf" Cc: "Jim F." ; ; "Kirk Hargreaves" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question > derf wrote: >> Yeah, and I've heard of drivers of right hand drive cars in areas >> where they require mirrors on the left side and not on the side where >> the driver sits. >> >> > Like NJ for one. > Even if you have a mirror on the right side of a RH drive car, NJ law > says it HAS to be on the left side. > I failed inspection for this. > Also if there are seat belts in the car, they must be worn even if you > installed them in a Bugeye that never had seatbelts. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 From redmidget72 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 12:41:26 2009 From: redmidget72 at yahoo.com (Red Midget) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:41:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] hardtop1961-1963 Spridget Message-ID: <669012.13965.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Seen on Craigslist... Chattanooga Tn. http://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/1048880861.html Just passing along... From redmidget72 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 12:51:07 2009 From: redmidget72 at yahoo.com (Red Midget) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:51:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] 1979 Midget on Craigslist, KY Message-ID: <823456.34789.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> No financial intersest, just passing along... http://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/1036218133.html From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 12:51:58 2009 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:51:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Seats (Two pics...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c1781040903061151k21a32985o5e5ad9e2f8cd7407@mail.gmail.com> Actually, there were three (if you include rubber bumper mg midgets). On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > There are 2 types of headrest fitted to Spridget seats. > > In a message dated 06/03/2009 16:24:33 GMT Standard Time, > kgb at frontiernet.net writes: > > What if you remove the headrests? > > Kate > > Rick Bastedo wrote: >> It has high back late Midget seats with the headrests. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as trevor.jessie at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 6 12:54:34 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:54:34 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0903060853q7d4c2429q2da74524d29bb0e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Almost, Jeff!! Illinois Vehicle Code: (625 ILCS 5/12/603) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 12.603) Sec. 12.603. Seat safety belts. (a) No person shall sell any 1965 or later model motor vehicle of the first division unless the front seat of such motor vehicle is equipped with 2 sets of seat safety belts. Motorcycles are exempted from the provisions of this Section. (b) No person shall operate any 1965 or later model motor vehicle of the first division that is titled or licensed by the Secretary of State unless the front seat of such motor vehicle is equipped with 2 sets of seat safety belts. From mjfoster911 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 14:56:17 2009 From: mjfoster911 at yahoo.com (Michael Foster) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:56:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject) Message-ID: <674450.95532.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 15:32:04 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:32:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Matching Spray Can Paint available References: <205cef430903060640r4db0201bh73d4e6ec154356d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <644FC742016F48BB88F7760E6A3A92D5@Larry> Linda, Tower Paint is less than one mile from my office. While he does a good job, you can probably get the same thing done locally and save the shipping costs. Just ask around. There is another shop less than a mile from Tower that does this as well. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "Spridget List" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Matching Spray Can Paint available I received a message from http:towerpaint requesting matching spray can colors for my pink Sprite so I can blend on my repairs without buying a quart of expensive paint and having to clean the gun. I also have need for other vintage colors and they said they can do the match. I know some of you are just doing simple blends and this could save time and money not to menton cleanup time & expense. Try http://www.towerpaint.com/ Linda You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 15:40:32 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:40:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com><208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <9931C4AC8486454998B27873D9CC1E5D@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; "Spridgets" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question Ontario Canada If the car came with belts installed, they have to be worn. Not sure what happens "if they are installed by owner". But, I wouldn't want to be debating that with an officer. =================================== Better to debate it with the cop than an emergency room doctor -- or worse. From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Mar 6 15:46:02 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:46:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <9931C4AC8486454998B27873D9CC1E5D@Larry> References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com><208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER> <9931C4AC8486454998B27873D9CC1E5D@Larry> Message-ID: <327947431.20090306144602@pacifier.com> Hello, The "general" rule is that IF the car has belts installed, they MUST be worn. At least in states that have mandatory seat belt laws. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Women fake orgasm, Men fake foreplay. From grday at btinternet.com Fri Mar 6 16:04:43 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:04:43 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question References: <37dc82d40903060840p52672ef4r5094f684b97dedb5@mail.gmail.com><208DBF4585DD40C69D4DC14F5972F79F@MAINCOMPUTER><9931C4AC8486454998B27873D9CC1E5D@Larry> <327947431.20090306144602@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <9412F74286364EA1B518BAEFE1320376@dell330> Same in UK. If they are fitted they must be worn. (Even if the owner fits them.) It is fair enough, they work. Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L" To: Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question > Hello, > > The "general" rule is that IF the car has belts installed, > they MUST be worn. At least in states that have mandatory seat > belt laws. > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tinydog at snet.net Fri Mar 6 16:27:47 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:27:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <25091953.20090306090517@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <158626.88904.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog observed: Certainly life can't get any more exciting than this! --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Bill L wrote: From: Bill L Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question To: "Kirk Hargreaves" Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 12:05 PM Hello Kirk, I've read the statues for Washington State. From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Mar 6 16:58:49 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:58:49 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <158626.88904.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <25091953.20090306090517@pacifier.com> <158626.88904.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1348004568.20090306155849@pacifier.com> Hello Tinydog, The reason I read the statutes is because I had a disagreement with a State Patrol Officer. He said any car made for or after the 1964 model year was required to have seat belts installed. I was under the impression that NO ONE could make safety equipment be retrofitted, and I KNEW that there was no FEDERAL LAW in place in 1964.Since mine is a '66 it is more than a moot point IF I were to be pulled over. Here is a link to the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) which shows, amoung other things the implementation dates. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/ -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Be nice to your kids. They will choose your nursing home. From tinydog at snet.net Fri Mar 6 17:12:33 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:12:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question In-Reply-To: <1348004568.20090306155849@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <51451.5955.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog sent thanks: Great resource. I printed-out the entire text and I'm going to ask my master to put it in the glove-box of the Midget. (Wait a minute. I don't think we have a glove box in the Midget.) Anyway, I'm going to have him read the whole thing to me when he gets home. You wouldn't have any organic treats you could email me, woodja? BTW, At the end of your emails you include: "The Red Thing". Does that refer to your car? "Be nice to your dogs, they're the ones that decide where to poop." --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Bill L wrote: From: Bill L Subject: Re[2]: [Spridgets] Safety - Seat Belts and Roll Bar Question To: tinydog at snet.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:58 PM Hello Tinydog, The reason I read the statutes is because I had a disagreement with a State Patrol Officer. He said any car made for or after the 1964 model year was required to have seat belts installed. I was under the impression that NO ONE could make safety equipment be retrofitted, and I KNEW that there was no FEDERAL LAW in place in 1964.Since mine is a '66 it is more than a moot point IF I were to be pulled over. Here is a link to the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) which shows, amoung other things the implementation dates. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/ From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 17:38:32 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:38:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] "The Art of Racing in the Rain" Message-ID: <970811.33239.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anybody else read this book yet? I just finished it yesterday and it is one of the best books I've read in a LONG time. It is a story told from the point of view of a dog named Enzo. Enzo's master is a race car driver/driving instructor named Denny who lives in Seattle. The book is absolutely crammed with F1 references, sports car references (Denny drives a 3.0CS, his best friend drives a GTV, etc.) and driving references in general. If you're a dog-lover (or a dog like yourself, Tiny dog) or an F1 fan, or just looking for a really good book - I highly recommend it. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 18:06:08 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:06:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] "The Art of Racing in the Rain" In-Reply-To: <970811.33239.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <651546.9543.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I meant to refer to the website: www.theartofracingintherain.com in my firat email. I read a copy from my local library, then immediately went and boght my own copy to keep and reread from time to time. Yeah - it's that good. - David --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David Booker wrote: From: David Booker Subject: [Spridgets] "The Art of Racing in the Rain" To: "spridget" Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:38 PM Has anybody else read this book yet? I just finished it yesterday and it is one of the best books I've read in a LONG time. It is a story told from the point of view of a dog named Enzo. Enzo's master is a race car driver/driving instructor named Denny who lives in Seattle. The book is absolutely crammed with F1 references, sports car references (Denny drives a 3.0CS, his best friend drives a GTV, etc.) and driving references in general. If you're a dog-lover (or a dog like yourself, Tiny dog) or an F1 fan, or just looking for a really good book - I highly recommend it. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dwramsey at att.net Fri Mar 6 20:15:39 2009 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:15:39 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so Message-ID: <20090307031606.4FC0118764D@autox.team.net> Just got the Snap-On tool sale email. For $100 you can get a cordless screwdriver made in China. Crash From refisk at chartermi.net Fri Mar 6 20:28:17 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:28:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so References: <20090307031606.4FC0118764D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <051701c99ed4$c1c442d0$6401a8c0@refisk> Snap-On Tools - "You can buy better, but you can't pay more". :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ramsey" To: Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so > Just got the Snap-On tool sale email. For $100 you can get a cordless > screwdriver made in China. > > Crash From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 6 20:44:52 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:44:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so In-Reply-To: <20090307031606.4FC0118764D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <> WHERE have you been, Crash??? BUT, keep in mind the Dealer HAS to REPLACE as many times as necessary!! "IF" Snap-On's specs where NOT adhered to product WILL be recalled/money refunded!! THAT will NOT go on for long!!! I got (from Wife?!?!?!? WOW) their 'LED Rechargeable Angle Light' for Xmas and besides LOVING it, have NOT been able to beat it to death !!!!! And guess what: "Made in China." From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 14:29:02 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:29:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <436481.72630.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Ed's Shop wrote: > BUT, keep in mind the Dealer HAS to REPLACE as many times > as > necessary!! So? How does that make it better than any number of brands? I'm way more interested in buying a top-notch tool, not a top notch warranty. Ron From thcollin at mtu.edu Sat Mar 7 14:43:19 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car Message-ID: <7lku3e$5o2c3f@email.mtu.edu> Somewhere in this picture you will find a hidden Sprite. This isn't one of those "pretty girl in the photo -find the car" pictures. Someone used a Sprite as the "start" to a "custom" car. http://www.pbase.com/katscottphotography/image/109918772 Tim Collins From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Mar 7 15:01:47 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:01:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5o2c3f@email.mtu.edu> References: <7lku3e$5o2c3f@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <49B2EECB.6040503@frontiernet.net> Interesting. I'd like to see the front and side views. Kate Timothy H. Collins wrote: > Somewhere in this picture you will find a hidden Sprite. This isn't > one of those "pretty girl in the photo -find the car" pictures. > Someone used a Sprite as the "start" to a "custom" car. > http://www.pbase.com/katscottphotography/image/109918772 > > > Tim Collins > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 7 15:46:50 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:46:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5o2c3f@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <20090307224646.UNDB9439.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> If my trunk lid fits like that, is mine considered custom too? Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Timothy H. Collins Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:43 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car Somewhere in this picture you will find a hidden Sprite. This isn't one of those "pretty girl in the photo -find the car" pictures. Someone used a Sprite as the "start" to a "custom" car. http://www.pbase.com/katscottphotography/image/109918772 Tim Collins _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cmanuel at wi.rr.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 16:26:06 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:26:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: window crank handles no longer needed Message-ID: <400122.21493.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Frank said he has some crank handles and offered to mail them to me, so anybody else digging around in boxes in your garage can stop now.? Thanks much. ? If anybody needs some seats that need rebuilding, let me know / come pick them up / whatever. ? Thanks, David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 7 16:35:56 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:35:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] MG Art Message-ID: <6501B96DA6244CC99B6F0417DAD30079@Larry> I ran across this piece of MG automotive art that I really liked. Thought I would pass it on. It is a sketch of an MG (TC, I believe) in a garage. http://www.mgnuts.com/garages/ LAD . From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 16:55:38 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:55:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5o2c3f@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <589541.71104.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's not a custom car, it's a?kit car.? They were called Gatsby's.? Started building them in the late 70's / early 80's.? They took a Spridget body and placed it on something like a full size Ford chassis if I remember correctly.? There are probably hundreds of them around.? Quite a shame, really. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Timothy H. Collins wrote: From: Timothy H. Collins Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 3:43 PM Somewhere in this picture you will find a hidden Sprite. This isn't one of those "pretty girl in the photo -find the car" pictures. Someone used a Sprite as the "start" to a "custom" car. http://www.pbase.com/katscottphotography/image/109918772 Tim Collins _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 17:04:01 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:04:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] MG Art In-Reply-To: <6501B96DA6244CC99B6F0417DAD30079@Larry> References: <6501B96DA6244CC99B6F0417DAD30079@Larry> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903071604v8de040anf051ca9852f75b82@mail.gmail.com> He says the image was created in the 1930s. J-2 Midget? K Magnet? PA or PB Midget?, TA or TB Midget? TC was post-war..... Cheers!! Jim who once sold a 1946 TC and used the money to marry his first wife - Ugh! On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I ran across this piece of MG automotive art that I really liked. Thought > I would pass it on. > > It is a sketch of an MG (TC, I believe) in a garage. > > http://www.mgnuts.com/garages/ > > LAD From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 7 17:10:55 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:10:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] MG Art References: <6501B96DA6244CC99B6F0417DAD30079@Larry> <43840a7e0903071604v8de040anf051ca9852f75b82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <333B28575BB24581B11B9E92757F24D5@Larry> Hmmm, I missed that. I guess I'm better at looking at pictures than reading words? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" Cc: "Spridgets List" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] MG Art He says the image was created in the 1930s. J-2 Midget? K Magnet? PA or PB Midget?, TA or TB Midget? TC was post-war..... Cheers!! Jim who once sold a 1946 TC and used the money to marry his first wife - Ugh! On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I ran across this piece of MG automotive art that I really liked. Thought > I would pass it on. > > It is a sketch of an MG (TC, I believe) in a garage. > > http://www.mgnuts.com/garages/ > > LAD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 17:14:15 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5o2c3f@email.mtu.edu> References: <7lku3e$5o2c3f@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <49B30DD7.1020905@comcast.net> Timothy H. Collins wrote: > Somewhere in this picture you will find a hidden Sprite. That is one of those Gatsby kit cars. I saw some of them out in Carlisle. I had to beat the guy who makes them to the cheap Spridget parts ;) From refisk at chartermi.net Sat Mar 7 17:13:26 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car References: <589541.71104.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <055c01c99f82$b466ca50$6401a8c0@refisk> That's not a Gatsby. The Gatsby's had a curvy neo-classic rear end. Still available by the way for only $42,500. http://www.gatsbycars.com/cabriolet.html Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Booker" To: Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spridget as base for custom car It's not a custom car, it's a kit car. They were called Gatsby's. Started building them in the late 70's / early 80's. They took a Spridget body and placed it on something like a full size Ford chassis if I remember correctly. There are probably hundreds of them around. Quite a shame, really. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 7 17:22:55 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:22:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] MG Art In-Reply-To: <6501B96DA6244CC99B6F0417DAD30079@Larry> Message-ID: <> I also read the 'date' Larry & Jim, rear fenders ARE TD ?!?!? From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 17:31:13 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:31:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] MG Art In-Reply-To: References: <6501B96DA6244CC99B6F0417DAD30079@Larry> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903071631n58591008h7499d200197a712e@mail.gmail.com> Possibly but TD is also post-war. The rear of the body is also too vertical for TD which sloped more. TA-B-C rear wings all had the raised part down the middle and came out to point. The ones in the image do look wider than the A-B-C and earlier cars though. Another interesting feature is the X shaped spare mounting bracket. I never saw one of those on a TC. Only on earlier cars. Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > <> > > I also read the 'date' Larry & Jim, rear fenders ARE TD ?!?!? > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 23:03:30 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:03:30 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] The Art of Racing in the Rain Message-ID: <37dc82d40903062203q3a77c7cqb4b1d53655086192@mail.gmail.com> *The Art of Racing in the Rain* I read it, great book. . . one that you do not want to put down. Did it also get high up on the NY Times Best Seller List? I think I heard that it was on there and that it scored high. . . . Kirk 59 BE From nlaredbt7 at tbc.net Sat Mar 7 18:15:14 2009 From: nlaredbt7 at tbc.net (Neil Anderson) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:15:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours References: <37dc82d40903062203q3a77c7cqb4b1d53655086192@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A330A06471E4517B82D8520505332AE@owner7ccec1fe9> Anyone have any spare change laying around? http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 Neil Anderson Illinois '59 Bugeye From mark at nashvilletn.org Sat Mar 7 18:22:20 2009 From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:22:20 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear Hub Hitting Brake Cylinder Message-ID: FTF, While taking the rear of the Bugeye apart I found that the rear hub is hitting the brake cylinder. I have later backing plates and dual piston wheel cylinders. Do I just need to grind off the corner of the hub and wheel stud? Is there something unique with the Bugeye rear axel when used with late rear brakes? I have a few hubs and they all do the same thing. It was 76 today, summer is on the way! Mark Nashville http://www.arrestmered.com 58 "Bugeye" From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 19:25:48 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear Hub Hitting Brake Cylinder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B32CAC.8010605@comcast.net> Mark wrote: > FTF, While taking the rear of the Bugeye apart I found that the rear hub is > hitting the brake cylinder. I have later backing plates and dual piston > wheel cylinders. Do I just need to grind off the corner of the hub and > wheel stud? Is there something unique with the Bugeye rear axel when used > with late rear brakes? I have a few hubs and they all do the same thing. > > > The hub will scrape the rubber boot but it should not hit any metal on the wheel cylinder. I have converted a few Bugeyes to later back plates. You will have to grind about a 1/16 off the back of the brake drum, that will rub. From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Mar 7 19:33:51 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:33:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so In-Reply-To: <436481.72630.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <436481.72630.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B32E8F.8040208@comcast.net> Ron Soave wrote: > >> > > So? How does that make it better than any number of brands? I'm way more interested in buying a top-notch tool, not a top notch warranty. > > > The warranty is great but when you loose the tool....... I have a snap on E-Z out kit, they all broke. And only 2 snap on taps, both broke and have been replaced 3 times on the 5/16 and twice on the 3/8, the 3rd 5/16 is now snapped. So I call their tools Snap Off. Hanson taps and dies, SK tools, Klien screw drivers. Sure I have a bunch of crapsman screw drivers but they need to be replaced if you use them once. As for chinese tools, Wal*Mart sells chinese junk for less ;) From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 19:59:47 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:59:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Shout out - Message-ID: <251756.96975.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just a shout out and thanks for a good morning to Dave Woerpel, Chris Manuel, and Larry "Dr. Fine(st)" Daniels. We met up at Elkhart Lake this AM for some final touches on a Spridget 50th site proposal, and it was really great to see some Spridget guys and connect one of the final dots to take us to Spring time and Spridget season here in the Midwest. It rained all day, but that just means the salt is washed away. On Elkhart! Ron From dwramsey at att.net Sat Mar 7 22:47:45 2009 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so In-Reply-To: <49B32E8F.8040208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090308054813.8770B187642@autox.team.net> The Crapsman professional series of screwdrivers and pliers are made by Klien, with the Sears store exchange. Crash > > So? How does that make it better than any number of brands? I'm way more interested in buying a top-notch tool, not a top notch warranty. > > > The warranty is great but when you loose the tool....... I have a snap on E-Z out kit, they all broke. And only 2 snap on taps, both broke and have been replaced 3 times on the 5/16 and twice on the 3/8, the 3rd 5/16 is now snapped. So I call their tools Snap Off. Hanson taps and dies, SK tools, Klien screw drivers. Sure I have a bunch of crapsman screw drivers but they need to be replaced if you use them once. As for chinese tools, Wal*Mart sells chinese junk for less ;) _______________________________________________ From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Mar 7 23:07:12 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:07:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so In-Reply-To: <20090308054813.8770B187642@autox.team.net> References: <49B32E8F.8040208@comcast.net> <20090308054813.8770B187642@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1138448683.20090307220712@pacifier.com> Hello I tired to stay out of this one... but .. I've gotta say, Klein Screwdrivers are all that I will buy or use. As people may or may not know, I'm a union electrician, and NOTHING comes close to Klein for all day, everyday use........ and the reason is one that not many people are consciously aware of. It's BALANCE. Their screwdrivers have a balancing point back at, near, or in the handle. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" 405 From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 23:25:24 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:25:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so In-Reply-To: <1138448683.20090307220712@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <549466.27497.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Bill L wrote: " NOTHING comes close to?Klein for all day, everyday use........ " ? I don't want to sound too terribly ignorant (but am fully aware that I often do) where does one find Klein tools? ? David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 8 03:48:42 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 04:48:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so In-Reply-To: <549466.27497.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <> 'some' auto parts (REAL ONES) stores & McMaster-Carr, David. And like crapsman, YOU gotta take 'broke' ones back to store. Snap-On gent pulls up in your drive-way (IF half-decent)!! From CAWS52803 at aol.com Sun Mar 8 04:43:51 2009 From: CAWS52803 at aol.com (CAWS52803 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:43:51 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time Message-ID: Many years ago a young Indian girl named Little Rainbow went to her father, Chief Iron Horse and asked him, "What is this Daylight Savings Time that the White Man has?" He took her on his knee and explained, " It is as if they take a rug and cut off a foot on one end and sew it on the other to make it longer." So now you too know. Rudy in NC **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From grunthaner at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 05:34:02 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something else? Message-ID: <205cef430903080534y6d159c37t64b2cb55d3766d15@mail.gmail.com> List, Yesterday I took Pinky out around the block after sitting most of the winter. I had the choke pulled and as I was in front of my house I stopped to talk to my uncle who was walking on my block and as I was talking I still had the choke pulled. Then I pulled away and got around the corner and she was what appeared to be out of gas (I had a 1/2 tank) I figured I had fouled the plugs and walked home to get some wrenches and electric cleaner. I pulled the plugs and they were dry but I sprayed them anyway. Then I tried to start and nothing (air cleaners were off) then I sprayed the carbs with starting fluid and she fired up. Will someone explain what had happened? I think I had flooded the carbs and the starting fluid was the correct mixture to fire her up, but that doesn't make sense to me because I wasn't spraying air too or was I? I don't think the plugs were fouled because they were dry. Can I put in an electronic ignition with an automatic choke for my 1275? Would that require a Webber? This has happened before. Lin From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 8 06:08:48 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:48 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours Message-ID: Not for a car with a non period correct steering wheel... In a message dated 08/03/2009 01:15:21 GMT Standard Time, nlaredbt7 at tbc.net writes: Anyone have any spare change laying around? http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 Neil Anderson Illinois '59 Bugeye _______________________________________________ From refisk at chartermi.net Sun Mar 8 06:10:04 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:10:04 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so References: Message-ID: <05f501c99fef$326bde60$6401a8c0@refisk> I'm an electrician too and I use Klein screwdrivers. That said, Sears has their stuff on sale fairly often - last Wednesday my partner bought a set of 10 Craftsman screwdrivers for $16.99. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00941510000P?keyword=screwdrivers See if your Snap-On guy will match that. :-) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: ; "Bill L" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Say it ain't so > < often do) where does one find Klein tools?>> > > 'some' auto parts (REAL ONES) stores & McMaster-Carr, David. > > And like crapsman, YOU gotta take 'broke' ones back to store. > > Snap-On gent pulls up in your drive-way (IF half-decent)!! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 8 06:11:56 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:11:56 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something else? Message-ID: At least over her a popular conversion for any Ford with a DGAV/DGV and DGAS Weber carb was to convert it from an automatic choke to a manual choke. YMMV Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 08/03/2009 12:34:15 GMT Standard Time, grunthaner at gmail.com writes: automatic choke for my 1275? Would that require a Webber? This has happened before. Lin From refisk at chartermi.net Sun Mar 8 06:24:59 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours References: Message-ID: <062601c99ff1$47c494d0$6401a8c0@refisk> I have a Les Leston steering wheel, but not enough spare change. :-( Just need to get the right 6 numbers....... Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] This could be yours > > Not for a car with a non period correct steering wheel... > > In a message dated 08/03/2009 01:15:21 GMT Standard Time, > nlaredbt7 at tbc.net > writes: > > Anyone have any spare change laying around? > > http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 07:42:18 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <10929.67670.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ...and I always thought "cutting a rug" meant something else entirely! ? ?- David --- On Sun, 3/8/09, CAWS52803 at aol.com wrote: From: CAWS52803 at aol.com Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time To: spridgets at autox.team.net, healeys at autox.team.net, kim_collins4 at hotmail.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:43 AM Many years ago a young Indian girl named Little Rainbow went to her father, Chief Iron Horse and asked him, "What is this Daylight Savings Time that the White Man has?" He took her on his knee and explained, " It is as if they take a rug and cut off a foot on one end and sew it on the other to make it longer." So now you too know. Rudy in NC **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Mar 8 07:55:19 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:55:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours References: Message-ID: >> Anyone have any spare change laying around? >> http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 > Not for a car with a non period correct steering wheel... And NO title... From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 08:00:48 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <799148.84774.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't think it would get ERA Correct im VSCDA with a 1275 in a 1961, either. Ron Soave --- On Sun, 3/8/09, David Lieb wrote: > From: David Lieb > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] This could be yours > To: "S pridgets" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:55 AM > >> Anyone have any spare change laying around? > http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 > > > Not for a car with a non period correct steering > wheel... > > And NO title... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 8 08:07:06 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:07:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time In-Reply-To: <10929.67670.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <<...and I always thought "cutting a rug" meant something else entirely!>> Why pick on a poor wig, David ???? What has a wig done to you ?? Enquiring minds NEED to know !?!?!?!?!?!? PPP PS: Or did you mean 'cutting one' ??? -:) -:) -:) From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 8 08:10:27 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:10:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> But David, I would wager that a certain Englishman would just about 'kill' for the car !!! Oh WAIT !!!! NO Westlake !!!!!! Pity. From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 8 08:32:41 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:32:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <669018976.20090308083241@pacifier.com> Hello CAWS52803, Somewhere on the "net" i saw someone ranting How come Congress didn't think about global warming before changing the dates of daylight savings time? That extra hour of daylight HAS to be affecting us, and now they've gone and made it even worse by starting it sooner and ending it later. Why do we still do it at all? everyone can see we've global climate change and this has to be a contributing factor.... -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "It's my maid's night off," said Tom helplessly. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Mar 8 08:37:50 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time References: <669018976.20090308083241@pacifier.com> Message-ID: > How come Congress didn't think about global warming before > changing the dates of daylight savings time? That extra hour of > daylight HAS to be affecting us, and now they've gone and made it > even worse by starting it sooner and ending it later. Why do we > still do it at all? everyone can see we've global climate change > and this has to be a contributing factor.... Personally, since Chicago is near the eastern edge of the Central time zone, I would rather we were on DST all year round. Historically, that has happened during either WWI or WWII. I HATE the transitions. David Lieb From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Mar 8 08:42:51 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:42:51 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time In-Reply-To: <669018976.20090308083241@pacifier.com> References: , <669018976.20090308083241@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <49B3850B.5156.3CA959@kk7ss.verizon.net> How can we be "saving" daylight if we're getting up earlier to use it up?? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Mar 8 08:47:05 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:47:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time References: , <669018976.20090308083241@pacifier.com> <49B3850B.5156.3CA959@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3B445CB90758400EBF8D7A61BC87DC47@rwa> > How can we be "saving" daylight if we're getting up earlier to use it > up?? To me, having an extra hour of daylight before I go to work in the morning is pointless, especially against the the option of having an extra hour of daylight after I get home. David Lieb From duncan at pondhop.com Sun Mar 8 09:18:21 2009 From: duncan at pondhop.com (Duncan Sinclair) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:18:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time In-Reply-To: <3B445CB90758400EBF8D7A61BC87DC47@rwa> References: , <669018976.20090308083241@pacifier.com> <49B3850B.5156.3CA959@kk7ss.verizon.net> <3B445CB90758400EBF8D7A61BC87DC47@rwa> Message-ID: Part of the concept I believe is to make it safer for children going to school. Thanks Duncan -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:47 AM To: S pridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time > How can we be "saving" daylight if we're getting up earlier to use it > up?? To me, having an extra hour of daylight before I go to work in the morning is pointless, especially against the the option of having an extra hour of daylight after I get home. David Lieb _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as duncan at pondhop.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 From cciaffone at verizon.net Sun Mar 8 09:42:04 2009 From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Daylight Savings Time In-Reply-To: References: , <669018976.20090308083241@pacifier.com> <49B3850B.5156.3CA959@kk7ss.verizon.net> <3B445CB90758400EBF8D7A61BC87DC47@rwa> Message-ID: <49B3F55C.50402@verizon.net> Oh yeah, having it darker longer in the morning, having it really really dark when the school bus comes, and then having these children crossing a dark street in pitch dark ... That's really gonna "make it safer for children going toschool" hmmm Duncan Sinclair wrote: > Part of the concept I believe is to make it safer for children going to > school. > > > From d.swanson at earthlink.net Sun Mar 8 11:37:44 2009 From: d.swanson at earthlink.net (Dean Swanson) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:37:44 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Email Length Message-ID: <8E7D582646074842B1C9B88FDC3D333C@HomeComputer> Is there a maximum length of email that can be sent to the list? From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 11:38:59 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:38:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Email Length In-Reply-To: <8E7D582646074842B1C9B88FDC3D333C@HomeComputer> References: <8E7D582646074842B1C9B88FDC3D333C@HomeComputer> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903081138s41b38671o111cb5db9af92589@mail.gmail.com> Yes. From andrewpayne at intrex.net Sun Mar 8 12:22:55 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:22:55 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Email Length Message-ID: Is there a maximum length of email that will be READ by the list? Drew -----Original Message----- From: "Dean Swanson" To: "spridgets at autox.team.net" Sent: 3/8/09 2:37 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Email Length Is there a maximum length of email that can be sent to the list? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as andrewpayne at intrex.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 8 12:29:28 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:29:28 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home Message-ID: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> I went to pick up a surviver 69 Sprite that has been in a garage for the past 32 years. Taken off the road in 1977 when parked. I paid the man $500, loaded it on the trailer, drove home all of 2 miles and decided to see just what I bought. I pulled the battery out of my 67 Sprite, put it in the 69, took the float bowl lids off and poured some gas in the bowls. My son helped the choke along since the cable needs a spot of oil. I turned the key and she fired up like it was running yesterday! It doesn't even need a muffler! No exhaust leaks, no brakes, but the clutch and gears work. Not often I can back a Sprite off the trailer the day it comes home. Other than the shag carpet, it's in pretty nice shape. The respray lacquer paint job is cracked, the seats are perfect but dirty, top is shot, tonneau and boot cover are perfect and it even came with 3" wide whit walls still in a bag in the trunk! Never installed. Not white wall tires, clip on wide white walls. 2 new carb rebuild kits, a new fan belt, some other misc new parts in British Leyland packages. I got lucky with this one. I will make it stop, give it some well deserved front end work, shocks, some less hairy looking carpet, and a BRG paint job. Then it's for sale. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 12:31:53 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:31:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> References: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903081231k12cdf977tfe330b40d05a8e2a@mail.gmail.com> > I will make it stop, give it some well deserved front end work, shocks, some > ?less hairy looking carpet, and a BRG paint job. > Then it's for sale. So, it hits the market on Saturday? From tinydog at snet.net Sun Mar 8 12:40:53 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Email Length In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <135133.34819.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog sez: This sounds like part of an old discussion about Pilot Bob. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Andrew Payne wrote: From: Andrew Payne Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Email Length To: "Dean Swanson" , spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 3:22 PM Is there a maximum length of email that will be READ by the list? Drew -----Original Message----- From: "Dean Swanson" To: "spridgets at autox.team.net" Sent: 3/8/09 2:37 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Email Length Is there a maximum length of email that can be sent to the list? From d.swanson at earthlink.net Sun Mar 8 12:58:10 2009 From: d.swanson at earthlink.net (Dean Swanson) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Four Post Lift "Kit" (part 1) Message-ID: I have for sale an old (1970's) Lincoln Model 7015 8000lb four post service lift I purchased off Craig's List a few years ago. It is a "kit" because the previous owner for 15 years stored outdoors so it will need some work AND new cables to make it useable. It is not hydraulic - uses a long screw thread in the control column to provide the lifting power. I have a copy of a manual and assembly poster for a slightly newer lift (model 7110/7111). There are a coupe photos at: http://tinyurl.com/dhoran Dean Swanson '62 A.H. Sprite mkII From hardy.john at cox.net Sun Mar 8 12:58:40 2009 From: hardy.john at cox.net (hardy.john at cox.net) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:58:40 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903081231k12cdf977tfe330b40d05a8e2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090308155840.4QED7.33137.imail@fed1rmwml32> Frank, You might want to hold off on that carpet change. The wife and I where in a "Over the Top" designer store recently where they had a room set up with of all things, shag carpet (avacado green! Yuk!). The woman told us it is coming back in style. Mini-skirts yes! Shag carpet and platform shoes...... no! Cheers, John ---- derf wrote: > > I will make it stop, give it some well deserved front end work, shocks, some > > ?less hairy looking carpet, and a BRG paint job. > > Then it's for sale. > > > So, it hits the market on Saturday? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as hardy.john at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From d.swanson at earthlink.net Sun Mar 8 13:08:48 2009 From: d.swanson at earthlink.net (Dean Swanson) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:08:48 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Four Post Lift "Kit" (part 2) Message-ID: The drive on tracks are almost 15 ft long and 19? wide (20 ?? wide at the tops). The three static columns 74 ?? tall and they have pin insertion points at 26?, 50? and 62?. New cables are available from places on line ($695 from www.ellisind.com or $950 from SVI) or a lot less if you know a local rigging supplier (the original rusted cables are included for sizing) $100 in parts from McMaster-Carr. From d.swanson at earthlink.net Sun Mar 8 13:09:50 2009 From: d.swanson at earthlink.net (Dean Swanson) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Four Post Lift "Kit" (part 3) Message-ID: <4D4E9B0E69FF40C38D39CBD77A2A7D2E@HomeComputer> It is located in Holly Springs, NC 27540 and is very heavy so you will need a 16 ft trailer or box truck and some REALLY strong friends to help you load it (I'm not strong enough). $200 or interesting trade Dean Swanson '62 A.H. Sprite mkII From pdx.pete at verizon.net Sun Mar 8 13:15:16 2009 From: pdx.pete at verizon.net (Peter Shull) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Truth in advertising? References: <8E7D582646074842B1C9B88FDC3D333C@HomeComputer> Message-ID: There's a Porsche 944 advertised on Portland's Craigslist. What catches the eye about this car? Well the ad states, "Engine rebuilt 30,000 lies ago". From grunthaner at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 13:44:06 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:44:06 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something else? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430903081344q7c365d12i4aedb814c7a42b75@mail.gmail.com> So you are saying the Weber is not auto choke? Lin On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: > At least over her a popular conversion for any Ford with a DGAV/DGV and > DGAS Weber carb was to convert it from an automatic choke to a manual > choke. YMMV > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 08/03/2009 12:34:15 GMT Standard Time, > grunthaner at gmail.com writes: > > automatic choke for my 1275? > Would that require a Webber? This has happened before. > > Lin > > > From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 14:02:21 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:02:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something else? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903081344q7c365d12i4aedb814c7a42b75@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903081344q7c365d12i4aedb814c7a42b75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903081402r1febff8eqa2a6dc5480b3dd37@mail.gmail.com> Some Webers have water heated choke, some have electric choke, and some have manual. Manual is probably best all around. You can put in an electronic ignition, no problem. But, the SUs are good carbs so long as they are tuned properly. They're not as easy to tune as the Weber down drafts and therefore people over the years have considered a down draft Weber to be an "upgrade". The Webers, both side and down draft, are good carbs. But, they are not that much better than the SUs that came with your car. Unless racing is your goal, stick with the SUs. If the car sat up for a while check the damper fluid in the carbs. Your problem could be a sticking carb piston. Cheers, Derf From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 8 14:20:20 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> References: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <197084851.20090308142020@pacifier.com> Hello Frank, Sounds like you need to part it out. Isn't your stock getting depleted? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" JJoohhnn,, wwhhaatt ddooeess AAlltt--EE ddoo?? From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Mar 8 14:38:40 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:38:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go Message-ID: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> No Spridget Content!!! Trish's PT Cruiser has no go. Relatively new clutch. Hydraulics look fine. Pushing the pedal down feels normal and moves the fork as expected. The shifter moves the selectors and feels normal as if it is going into each gear. Even with the engine running, you can put it into each gear without bothering to push down the clutch pedal. No noises, no movement. With it in gear, I can rotate one of the wheels and the other one does not move at all. It is as if the center was ripped out of the clutch disk (if any of you are familiar with the vast amount of torque on tap with the NA 2.4 engine, you will know that my tongue is firmly wedged in cheek as I offer that potential explanation). Maybe all of the bolts that hold the clutch pack to the flexplate might have sheered or fallen out, but I would expect at least a little noise. Maybe the diff is no longer talking to the transmission? Any ideas? David Lieb From cclabaw at juno.com Sun Mar 8 14:56:24 2009 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:56:24 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it someth ing else? Message-ID: <20090308.145624.25274.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Or if you're lucky, you have IDAs with no choke. Works a treat on a 1835cc VW. Clay L. '67 Sprite -- derf wrote: Some Webers have water heated choke, some have electric choke, and some have manual. Manual is probably best all around. You can put in an electronic ignition, no problem. But, the SUs are good carbs so long as they are tuned properly. They're not as easy to tune as the Weber down drafts and therefore people over the years have considered a down draft Weber to be an "upgrade". The Webers, both side and down draft, are good carbs. But, they are not that much better than the SUs that came with your car. Unless racing is your goal, stick with the SUs. If the car sat up for a while check the damper fluid in the carbs. Your problem could be a sticking carb piston. Cheers, Derf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Get help now! Click to find the right drug rehab solution for you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJWRXIgROeffeK7XFetp1tF9WWNOSRmJ8QUuLQWGPUPlTNjvotZM8/ From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 8 15:03:27 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:03:27 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <197084851.20090308142020@pacifier.com> References: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> <197084851.20090308142020@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <49B440AF.1090408@comcast.net> Bill L wrote: > Hello Frank, > > Sounds like you need to part it out. Isn't your stock getting > depleted? > > > I often wonder how I can use all kinds of parts from around the garage but the bins keep getting fuller. The 69 even has all the pollution stuff. The generator does not work, that will give me 10 dead generators on the shelf now. The dead shocks will fill the 2nd milk crate of shock cores for Peter, and I brought him a few dozen a year ago when I drove out to see him. Where do they come from? I have thrown out 2 milk crates full of brake drums and I still have too many for just 1 milk crate. I never bought a new brake drum in my life, where do they come from? Steering racks and drive shafts are piling up too. The 69 seems very complete so no garage parts will be disappearing when I start working on it. I will add one more air rail and gulp valve to the crate though. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 15:38:53 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:38:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something else? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903081436j2c70415dmc68b1adb5b01c1d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903081344q7c365d12i4aedb814c7a42b75@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903081402r1febff8eqa2a6dc5480b3dd37@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903081436j2c70415dmc68b1adb5b01c1d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903081538o2468eedi982402d5c0f783a8@mail.gmail.com> Electronic ignition is a good thing. But, you won't notice any advantage over a good points system. The advantage comes in when points wear. Electronic systems don't have points that wear out and so they stay true for much longer periods of time. Yes, higher coil output is good but it will not necessarily make your engine run better. If your points are good and in good order then your problem is probably fuel related. When going for power in an A-series motor the flow is the main obstacle. A good intake, some mild porting of the head, well sorted out carb(s), and an LCB header with good muffler will probably make your expectations. An electronic ignition kit and good coil will aid in reliability. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 8 16:49:35 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:49:35 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <20090308155840.4QED7.33137.imail@fed1rmwml32> Message-ID: > shag carpet (avacado green! Yuk!). Cool! Where can I get some? (I'm serious) BZ From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 8 16:51:42 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:51:42 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go In-Reply-To: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> Message-ID: > Trish's PT Cruiser has no go. Try a lighter car. It's probably just too heavy to move. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 8 15:58:09 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:58:09 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home Message-ID: Why not just use a beard trimmer to shave the carpet? In a message dated 08/03/2009 19:27:39 GMT Standard Time, spritenut at comcast.net writes: will make it stop, give it some well deserved front end work, shocks, some less hairy looking carpet, and a BRG paint job. Then it's for sale. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 8 16:05:38 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:05:38 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it someth ing el... Message-ID: Will they fit a Spridget without modifying the hood? Enquiring minds want to know? In a message dated 08/03/2009 21:58:15 GMT Standard Time, cclabaw at juno.com writes: Or if you're lucky, you have IDAs with no choke. Works a treat on a 1835cc VW. Clay L. '67 Sprite From jimndi at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 8 16:07:39 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:07:39 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go References: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> Message-ID: Broken axle?? or crankshaft? Is there an inspection cover to affirm that flywheel is turning: Is a PT Cruiser Front wheel Drive? 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" To: "S pridgets" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go > No Spridget Content!!! > > Trish's PT Cruiser has no go. Relatively new clutch. Hydraulics look fine. > Pushing the pedal down feels normal and moves the fork as expected. The > shifter moves the selectors and feels normal as if it is going into each > gear. Even with the engine running, you can put it into each gear without > bothering to push down the clutch pedal. No noises, no movement. With it > in gear, I can rotate one of the wheels and the other one does not move at > all. It is as if the center was ripped out of the clutch disk (if any of > you are familiar with the vast amount of torque on tap with the NA 2.4 > engine, you will know that my tongue is firmly wedged in cheek as I offer > that potential explanation). Maybe all of the bolts that hold the clutch > pack to the flexplate might have sheered or fallen out, but I would expect > at least a little noise. Maybe the diff is no longer talking to the > transmission? Any ideas? > David Lieb > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 8 18:08:14 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:08:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Email Length In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Yep Drew & Dean and IIRC it is 3000 bytes. Ed From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Mar 8 17:08:04 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:08:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go References: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> Message-ID: <355BB16898104CAA855C3B04FD1A2088@rwa> > Broken axle?? or crankshaft? Is there an inspection cover to affirm that > flywheel is turning: Is a PT Cruiser Front wheel Drive? The axles "look" ok. Yes, the PT is FWD. The engine runs fine, so there's nothing wrong up to and including the flexplate Can the axles shear the end like a Spridget halfshaft? I would still expect it to try to move one of the wheels... David Lieb From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 17:37:32 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:37:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Wiring Question Message-ID: I have installed the UK front lamps on the 68. On one side, everything works fine. On the other, when the marker is on, all is well. But when you put the turn indicator on, the small bulb goes to blinking. Ok, I know that the wires are crossed, so I get up under the dash to see where. I am finding a green wire with a blue tracer (from the main harness) that I had plugged into the faulty side. I am searching the wiring schematic for where the GU wire is, but I just can't seem to find it. Any suggestions on what it is, or where it goes? TIA Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Mar 8 17:58:30 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:58:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go References: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> <6B5F88CFD5214614886EFAB4BCBE0F0B@dell330> Message-ID: <3027F8BE4552493788B8E8F935175B9B@rwa> > If you have drive to one wheel it cannot be the clutch. That provides the > connection between engine and gearbox and MUST be working if you are > getting drive to any of the wheels. I guess I wasn't clear there. No, the engine makes NO attempt to move either wheel. I tried rotating the wheels by hand to see whether the opposite wheel would counter-rotate, but it didn't. It appears to have lost all connection between the engine and the diff. The axles look great, but that does not mean much. I was not driving it at the time, but the story was that there was no drama at all. They backed it out of the driveway, drove down to the stop sign a block away, put it in first, let out the clutch and nothing happened. No violence, nothing. Sounds like a broken halfshaft on a Spridget ;-) Or two broken halfshafts on a Spridget ;-) There is just enough difference in the resistance turning it by hand in gear vs in neutral that I would like to think the diff is ok and the fairly new clutch-pack is dead. Not looking forward to that. Weird clutches they have in these things... There is a flexplate on the end of the crank as if it was an automatic trans, but the clutch assembly bolts to it insead of a torque convertor. It is one chunk consisting of the metal mass for the flywheel effect and the clutch surface, the clutch disk, the pressure plate and the throwout bearing all riveted together. OTOH, you don't have to pull the trans out of the car to replace it. Just separate the trans from the engine, undo the four bolts, slide the assembly out, and reverse the procedure. I still like the Spridget clutch better. David Lieb From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Mar 8 18:08:08 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:08:08 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go In-Reply-To: <3027F8BE4552493788B8E8F935175B9B@rwa> References: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa><6B5F88CFD5214614886EFAB4BCBE0F0B@dell330> <3027F8BE4552493788B8E8F935175B9B@rwa> Message-ID: <7CC6E04E49454F49AFE906809BBA1A10@spider> You could ask the local Dealer. You might also google six or eight words of the symptoms and see what pops up. I broke the spider gears in the diff in a VW once and it acted like this. ...bill in oregon ===================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:59 PM To: GUY DAY; S pridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go > If you have drive to one wheel it cannot be the clutch. That provides the > connection between engine and gearbox and MUST be working if you are > getting drive to any of the wheels. I guess I wasn't clear there. No, the engine makes NO attempt to move either wheel. I tried rotating the wheels by hand to see whether the opposite wheel would counter-rotate, but it didn't. It appears to have lost all connection between the engine and the diff. The axles look great, but that does not mean much. I was not driving it at the time, but the story was that there was no drama at all. They backed it out of the driveway, drove down to the stop sign a block away, put it in first, let out the clutch and nothing happened. No violence, nothing. Sounds like a broken halfshaft on a Spridget ;-) Or two broken halfshafts on a Spridget ;-) There is just enough difference in the resistance turning it by hand in gear vs in neutral that I would like to think the diff is ok and the fairly new clutch-pack is dead. Not looking forward to that. Weird clutches they have in these things... There is a flexplate on the end of the crank as if it was an automatic trans, but the clutch assembly bolts to it insead of a torque convertor. It is one chunk consisting of the metal mass for the flywheel effect and the clutch surface, the clutch disk, the pressure plate and the throwout bearing all riveted together. OTOH, you don't have to pull the trans out of the car to replace it. Just separate the trans from the engine, undo the four bolts, slide the assembly out, and reverse the procedure. I still like the Spridget clutch better. David Lieb _______________________________________________ From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sun Mar 8 18:22:35 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:22:35 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Show Today Message-ID: I just got back from the Queen's English car show at Woodley Park in Van Nuys, California. I posted an invitaion to view my Picasa web album to the list so you can see some of the pictures I took today. Met Billy Zoom at the show today when he handed the phone to me asking if I was Mike MacLean. It was Ron Soave on the other end. Boy, some of you listers like to attend by phone even! Ron was telling me that Billy might need another West Coast Oshit meeting to get his car on the road. It was nice to talk to Ron again. Have not seen him since Buster's bash. Billy is completing the body work on his car, but finds it hard to get the time to work on it. Sounds like another reason to get us all together again to me. I'm in for it. Talking to Billy was a pleasant surprise today. He is a real nice guy and I for one would love to help put his car in running order. Great fun today and as always, Spridget people are the best. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 18:32:50 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:32:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go In-Reply-To: <3027F8BE4552493788B8E8F935175B9B@rwa> References: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> <6B5F88CFD5214614886EFAB4BCBE0F0B@dell330> <3027F8BE4552493788B8E8F935175B9B@rwa> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903081832t35be0d38ja7951a9468b50688@mail.gmail.com> Broken clutch? Stuck slave cylinder? Broken tranny input shaft? It probably isn't axles or such as it would grind if you tried to engage the gears with no clutch action. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 18:46:01 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:46:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... In-Reply-To: <205cef430903081829h44aaa9b8v699caaa12541be0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903081829h44aaa9b8v699caaa12541be0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903081846h7b4ba55ay2174b763c8d8f95d@mail.gmail.com> You can pull a plug and ground the base of the plug and check for spark. You may want to get someone to help with a little experience. It isn't hard and just about any ole mechanically inclined person can do it. But, it is easier to show someone in person than to express the nuances over an email list. If the plug sparks, then your coil is working. If you replace your coil with a high performance coil it will make the same spark. I disagree with a high output coil making a "dramatic" difference in a stock Spridget application. If you are running a race motor, you might see a difference at high RPMs with saturation or something. On the other hand, if I had a bad coil and a "high performance" or "heavy duty" coil was only a small amount more, I would spend a few extra bucks. But, I would not spend a lot on a "high performance" coil for a mostly stock motor. A Pertronix or Crane type upgrade to electronic ignition is a good thing for a street Spridget, IMHO. From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 19:34:31 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Car Show Today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <458784.73852.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > list so you can see some of the pictures I took today. Met > Billy Zoom at > the show today when he handed the phone to me asking if I > was Mike MacLean. > It was Ron Soave on the other end. It was pretty funny...Zoom called while I was staying out of the rain in IL at a department store. Billy was saying he didn't meet anyone from the list, I told him to look for Mike. He says "I think I saw his name on a car". I described Mike, next thing I know I'm talking to him. Great to talk to Mike again, and I guess Project X is gaining officialness. Let's get the bodywork done and Cluster-up again on Orange CA. Ron From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 8 20:46:37 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:46:37 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903081832t35be0d38ja7951a9468b50688@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Broken clutch? Automatic, or stick? If it's an auto, it's broken. From millerls at ado13.com Sun Mar 8 20:14:24 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:14:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Show Today References: <458784.73852.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A1F06A677634D99834074C2C3C99B24@HP> I'm in if it's not a race weekend. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Show Today > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com > wrote: >> list so you can see some of the pictures I took today. Met >> Billy Zoom at >> the show today when he handed the phone to me asking if I >> was Mike MacLean. >> It was Ron Soave on the other end. > > It was pretty funny...Zoom called while I was staying out of the rain in > IL at a department store. Billy was saying he didn't meet anyone from the > list, I told him to look for Mike. He says "I think I saw his name on a > car". I described Mike, next thing I know I'm talking to him. Great to > talk to Mike again, and I guess Project X is gaining officialness. Let's > get the bodywork done and Cluster-up again on Orange CA. > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as millerls at ado13.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From millerls at ado13.com Sun Mar 8 20:15:26 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:15:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Show Today References: <458784.73852.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm in if it's not a race weekend. Larry Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Show Today > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com > wrote: >> list so you can see some of the pictures I took today. Met >> Billy Zoom at >> the show today when he handed the phone to me asking if I >> was Mike MacLean. >> It was Ron Soave on the other end. > > It was pretty funny...Zoom called while I was staying out of the rain in > IL at a department store. Billy was saying he didn't meet anyone from the > list, I told him to look for Mike. He says "I think I saw his name on a > car". I described Mike, next thing I know I'm talking to him. Great to > talk to Mike again, and I guess Project X is gaining officialness. Let's > get the bodywork done and Cluster-up again on Orange CA. > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as millerls at ado13.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From millerls at ado13.com Sun Mar 8 20:15:57 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:15:57 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Show Today References: <458784.73852.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4375C833D95141B7ABCC21C79AF19D61@HP> I'm in if it's not a race weekend. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Show Today > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com > wrote: >> list so you can see some of the pictures I took today. Met >> Billy Zoom at >> the show today when he handed the phone to me asking if I >> was Mike MacLean. >> It was Ron Soave on the other end. > > It was pretty funny...Zoom called while I was staying out of the rain in > IL at a department store. Billy was saying he didn't meet anyone from the > list, I told him to look for Mike. He says "I think I saw his name on a > car". I described Mike, next thing I know I'm talking to him. Great to > talk to Mike again, and I guess Project X is gaining officialness. Let's > get the bodywork done and Cluster-up again on Orange CA. > > From wmgilroy at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 20:46:57 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:46:57 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <49B440AF.1090408@comcast.net> References: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> <197084851.20090308142020@pacifier.com> <49B440AF.1090408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49B49131.80200@gmail.com> Thank god for milk crates. Frank wrote: > Bill L wrote: >> Hello Frank, >> >> Sounds like you need to part it out. Isn't your stock getting >> depleted? >> >> >> > I often wonder how I can use all kinds of parts from around the garage > but the bins keep getting fuller. > The 69 even has all the pollution stuff. > The generator does not work, that will give me 10 dead generators on > the shelf now. > The dead shocks will fill the 2nd milk crate of shock cores for Peter, > and I brought him a few dozen a year ago when > I drove out to see him. Where do they come from? > I have thrown out 2 milk crates full of brake drums and I still have > too many for just 1 milk crate. > I never bought a new brake drum in my life, where do they come from? > Steering racks and drive shafts are piling up too. > The 69 seems very complete so no garage parts will be disappearing > when I start working on it. > I will add one more air rail and gulp valve to the crate though. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sun Mar 8 21:03:28 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:03:28 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Bonnets and Hardtops Message-ID: Found this website today just cruising Google for something entirely different. It shows every metal or fiberglass bonnet or hardtop I have ever heard of plus a great look into the aftermarket for Spridgets back in the day. http://www.williamsandpritchardregister.co.uk/w&p.htm Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 8 22:02:12 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:02:12 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Wiring Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336951009.20090308220212@pacifier.com> Hello Brad, I found it in the diagrams.. i had to look and look, but if you have the bentely for cars thru 1974, its on diagram 5. cut to the chase. it goes from the main harness plugging into a GW wire connector-- -front and rear flasher lamps. at the other end it goes to the left side flasher warning light. Its listed as LGU -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" "Who would want to steal modern art?" asked Tom abstractedly. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 22:50:06 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 00:50:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go In-Reply-To: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> References: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903082250r24ff4ef3ladd4ec4efa9321a7@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:38 PM, David Lieb wrote: > It is as if the center was ripped out of the clutch disk (if any of you are > familiar with the vast amount of torque on tap with the NA 2.4 engine, you > will know that my tongue is firmly wedged in cheek as I offer that potential > explanation). The torque can't be much lower than the 1275 in my Midget and yet it did exactly that to the clutch plate about 3 years ago. On opening the mess up I discovered the remnants of a repro clutch plate made in - you guessed it - CHINA! - Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 22:57:54 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 00:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> References: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903082257l19a73c1ak37ab025777297702@mail.gmail.com> > > I got lucky with this one. This is the one from the guy who contacted the Sprite - Midget Club via our website after reading about the Holy Sprite in the paper, right? Call the reporter and thank him! -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Mar 9 05:45:11 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:45:11 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Austin Healey Transmissions/Rear Ends - $100 Message-ID: <7lku3e$5o7v0s@email.mtu.edu> On Craigslist. I have no connection to this sale. Located in Beaverton MI - Mid Michigan near Midland MI. http://saginaw.craigslist.org/pts/1062151755.html Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 06:06:49 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:06:49 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Bonnets and Hardtops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B51469.8040104@comcast.net> rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > > http://www.williamsandpritchardregister.co.uk/w&p.htm > According to John Sprinzel, Williams & Prichard are the guys who made the Speedwell bonnets. John pointed out some of their "brilliant" glass fiber work on my own bonnet. From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 06:05:26 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:05:26 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Bonnets and Hardtops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430903090605o7d711f47y99c182605ca39b01@mail.gmail.com> Mike, I just saw that link the other day while on the British Car Forum pretty cool stuff. Lin On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com < rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote: > Found this website today just cruising Google for something entirely > different. It shows every metal or fiberglass bonnet or hardtop I have > ever > heard of plus a great look into the aftermarket for Spridgets back in the > day. > > http://www.williamsandpritchardregister.co.uk/w&p.htm > > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 08:02:07 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Bonnets and Hardtops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <103057.68742.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very interesting link - thanks.? Wish the prices quoted were still valid. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island --- On Sun, 3/8/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: http://www.williamsandpritchardregister.co.uk/w&p.htm From cbaustin at verizon.net Mon Mar 9 08:21:53 2009 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Bonnets and Hardtops References: <103057.68742.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B269160918F4FFE821C4AD8D95808B7@universal1> I think those are ones manufactured in UK - I have two hardtops that are not shown on that site. There were 12 to 15 (my count from old car mags) different outfits in US that made after-market tops for various sports cars(mid-late 50's - early 60's). CB From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 08:43:17 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:43:17 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition - Carb Message-ID: <37dc82d40903090843r7528eeabj48362b9a5b2e6602@mail.gmail.com> Lin, I run a DCOE which is the Japanese equivalent of a Weber DCOE 45. The Japanese carb appears to be very well built, and it has adjustments for the float bowl height as well as the accel pump. I believe that the float bowl height adjustment was added to remove the supposed "flat spot" regarding Webers? It looks the same as a Weber side draft and it also takes all the Weber jets and emulsion tubes. Great carb, same price as a Weber 45 from Pearson Manifolds in Gilroy Ca. It was also very easy to install and set up. They set them up for your size of engine at Pearson. You can run an electronic ign, either way, SU's or a Weber (or DCOE). If that is what you were asking? I have made a lot of changes to my car. I run headers, I have a Geo Metro electric fan and radiator, electric fuel pump, urethane bushings and disc brakes in the front . . . Japanese alternator and redux starter, Monza exhaust and the DCOE carb, plus some other things. The one thing that gave my car a very noticeable burst of energy was the Pertronix electronic unit that I put inside of my Mallory Dual Point Distributor, along with the higher energy coil. The higher energy coil no doubt helped as well. And all you have to do is drop the electronic unit into your distributor (after taking the points out). At first fire up I was sceptical. . but now after a few thousand miles of renewed performance, I cannot say enough about it. Kirk From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 08:45:29 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Bonnets and Hardtops In-Reply-To: <3B269160918F4FFE821C4AD8D95808B7@universal1> Message-ID: <729061.32670.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I really like the fastback coupe tops where the trunk is replaced too.? Some of them give an almost 3/4 scale DB4 / DB5 look when coupled with the swoopy nose. ? David Booker '71 Midget Long Island ? From pilotrob at webtv.net Mon Mar 9 08:51:49 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:51:49 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition - Carb Message-ID: The COMBO of adjustable fuel bowl height and accel pump to remove that bothersome off idle "bog"....either/or.. or combo of both. Whatever it takes! :) The Japanese have again done a "better job" on somebody else's idea and addressed exactly the problem with the OEM Webers. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Hargreaves Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 11:43 AM To: grunthaner at gmail.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition - Carb Lin, I run a DCOE which is the Japanese equivalent of a Weber DCOE 45. The Japanese carb appears to be very well built, and it has adjustments for the float bowl height as well as the accel pump. I believe that the float bowl height adjustment was added to remove the supposed "flat spot" regarding Webers? It looks the same as a Weber side draft and it also takes all the Weber jets and emulsion tubes. Great carb, same price as a Weber 45 from Pearson Manifolds in Gilroy Ca. It was also very easy to install and set up. They set them up for your size of engine at Pearson. You can run an electronic ign, either way, SU's or a Weber (or DCOE). If that is what you were asking? I have made a lot of changes to my car. I run headers, I have a Geo Metro electric fan and radiator, electric fuel pump, urethane bushings and disc brakes in the front . . . Japanese alternator and redux starter, Monza exhaust and the DCOE carb, plus some other things. The one thing that gave my car a very noticeable burst of energy was the Pertronix electronic unit that I put inside of my Mallory Dual Point Distributor, along with the higher energy coil. The higher energy coil no doubt helped as well. And all you have to do is drop the electronic unit into your distributor (after taking the points out). At first fire up I was sceptical. . but now after a few thousand miles of renewed performance, I cannot say enough about it. Kirk _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as pilotrob at webtv.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 08:57:19 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:57:19 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Re David Lieb PT Cruiser Message-ID: <37dc82d40903090857ka222748wdaa9beab6d9b7744@mail.gmail.com> PT Cruiser, the only car my wife of 34 years has ever wanted. .. she is on her second one. The first one, a manual was having mechanical issues with the gear box at 80k miles and also not much power.. Her current PT (automatic) has the turbo unit which really does add a nice kick. Nice for passing on the freeway as well. No issues with performance on this one, *yet*. She currently has 50k miles on it. The construction quality of the car seems to be a bit wanting, my take. Not saying that due to where the car is made. . . but might be. They are built in Toluca Mexico. . . Kirk 59 BE built in GB and in my garage From pilotrob at webtv.net Mon Mar 9 09:01:00 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:01:00 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Knock sensor Message-ID: BTDT. Too much mechanical tappet noise to be effective. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 9 11:08:14 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:08:14 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... Message-ID: The max output of the coil should be quoted in thousands of volts. Average might be 25000, high output 40000+ In a message dated 09/03/2009 01:29:50 GMT Standard Time, grunthaner at gmail.com writes: How do I test my coil and determine if mine is good or a high output coil is the answer? If I were to invest in a good one what do I look for as I have never bought one but in the VW scene I see they are often pointing out these blue Bosch brand coils. Lin From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 9 11:09:52 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:09:52 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... Message-ID: Have you testd standard and high energy coils back to back on a standard or near standard Spridget? In a message dated 09/03/2009 01:46:19 GMT Standard Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: If the plug sparks, then your coil is working. If you replace your coil with a high performance coil it will make the same spark. I disagree with a high output coil making a "dramatic" difference in a stock Spridget application. From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 11:29:21 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:29:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910903091129l7eca46f0r22fd86e7d6146cda@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I have installed a high output coil in a 72 Midget to replace a functioning stock coil. I noticed no difference in performance. I live in a moderate to warm clime so maybe cold starting in the Great White North is improved, but not here. I put an Accel Supercoil in a classic V8 Mustang, again, no performance improvement from just the coil. I was able to increase the plug gap which may or may not have made the ignition system work better. I've put a Pertronix Ignitor in a stock Spridget dizzy. I've installed on in a boat motor. I've put Crane XR-700s in stock Spridget dizzys. I've put a Ford electronic ignition systems in a classic Mustang. But, I did not really notice a performance increase over properly sorted out points in either installation. Not having to adjust the points is worth the cost of the kits, though, to me. On a stock 1275, what specific improvements in performance do you see with a HO coil and why? From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Mar 9 12:38:56 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:38:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903091129l7eca46f0r22fd86e7d6146cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I noticed no difference in performance Why would you? From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 11:47:10 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9910903091129l7eca46f0r22fd86e7d6146cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903091147w36d5da33s3ecf0a085af032ce@mail.gmail.com> I dunno. I'm not trying to argue with anyone. Linda is having issues and I'm trying to help her out. The topic came up and we went off on a little disagreement tangent. I agree there are benefits to electronic ignition and high output coils but I'm not convinced that either will help Linda with her problem. I think 36-1 crank wheels are great, too, but that isn't what Linda needs right now. I am open to education and/or correction. I just don't want harsh feelings and argument. If a coil makes a dramatic difference, tell me how and why and I'll be wiser for knowing. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Billy Zoom wrote: >> ?I noticed no difference in performance > Why would you? > > > From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Mon Mar 9 12:10:58 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size Message-ID: Anyone that has done Paul's 5 speed conversion know what size the hex nut is for the angle drive to transmission fitting? Mine fell off from vibration (maybe I forgot to tighten it before I installed the transmission). Anyway I spent the better part of two hours last night scraping my knuckles trying to fit the the speedo cable and angle drive unit back on the transmission through the shifter can hole. I got the hex nut finger tight, but I don't have a wrench big enough to fit the hex. The largest I have is 24mm. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Mar 9 12:43:53 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... References: Message-ID: >> I noticed no difference in performance > Why would you? If you look at the math involved, you will realize that 25,000 volts at the spark plug is about 2,500 times the nominal 10VDC primary voltage of the coil. 1VDC difference on the primary side of the coil equates to about 2500V difference at the spark plug. Even with perfectly matched and clean points, there is more resistance than with a Pertronix, let alone a few miles down the road, never mind the impact of the condensor. OTOH, if you are still running a 0.025" gap on your plugs, you will not see a whole lot of difference. And, if you open the gap too much, the spark will find alternate paths to ground inside the cap because it simply wasn't designed to prevent that. However, if you run a 123/Mini, the Bosch cap and rotor should allow you to run significantly larger gaps and get a detectable benefit from a high-output coil. David Lieb From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 14:15:57 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:15:57 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pinky did I foul the plugs by flooding or is it something el... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0903091415v2c3e68d5i9062ae8dffcb4411@mail.gmail.com> I had been following this thread but I must confess I missed something. Lin... How did you come down to the coil?? From your earlier description of the problem I would NOT have thought coil. With coil failure, one usually sees the coil fail when it gets hot but as soon as it cools off it works again.. I thought Pinky died and would NOT start again.... What am I missing? -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 14:38:05 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0903091438o3024611fw6108becb8742a515@mail.gmail.com> Mike, Are you talking about the nylon fitting? Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:10 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com < rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote: > Anyone that has done Paul's 5 speed conversion know what size the hex nut > is > for the angle drive to transmission fitting? Mine fell off from vibration > (maybe I forgot to tighten it before I installed the transmission). Anyway > I spent the better part of two hours last night scraping my knuckles trying > to fit the the speedo cable and angle drive unit back on the transmission > through the shifter can hole. I got the hex nut finger tight, but I don't > have a wrench big enough to fit the hex. The largest I have is 24mm. > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 14:48:32 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:48:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) Message-ID: <49B58EB0.3050905@comcast.net> I just got the bonnet for my daughter's Bugeye back from the blast shop, the channel where the latch handle goes is not there. Can someone please open their bugeye nose and give me the measurements (height, width) of that channel. The chrome latch handle goes through it, it is as wide as the radiator opening but since mine is gone, I have nothing to go by except spots where it used to be welded to the lower lip of the bonnet. Thanks. From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 14:55:38 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:55:38 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B5905A.9050000@comcast.net> rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > Anyway > I spent the better part of two hours last night scraping my knuckles trying > to fit the the speedo cable and angle drive unit back on the transmission > through the shifter can hole. Ah, the beauty and convenience of that 5" square hole I put in all my Spridgets on the floor where the driveshaft hits the tranny. From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Mon Mar 9 14:56:57 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: <49B5905A.9050000@comcast.net> References: <49B5905A.9050000@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes, but nobody pulls their engines as often as you do Frank. Mike On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Frank wrote: > rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > >> Anyway >> I spent the better part of two hours last night scraping my knuckles >> trying >> to fit the the speedo cable and angle drive unit back on the transmission >> through the shifter can hole. >> > > Ah, the beauty and convenience of that 5" square hole I put in all my > Spridgets on the floor where the driveshaft hits the tranny. > > From pythias at pacifier.com Mon Mar 9 15:26:03 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:26:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: References: <49B5905A.9050000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1671712096.20090309152603@pacifier.com> Hello rrengineer, > Yes, but nobody pulls their engines as often as you do Frank. or NEEDS to pull them as often. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Every minute you are angry wastes 60 happy seconds. From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 16:06:56 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <665440.88454.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/9/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > Yes, but nobody pulls their engines as often as you do > Frank. > Mike I wish that were true. I have the same cutout, and an electric winch hanging from the ceiling. Ron From Jpp963 at aol.com Mon Mar 9 16:18:22 2009 From: Jpp963 at aol.com (Jpp963 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:18:22 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) Message-ID: Frank - Bonnet was open for battery charging so here goes - Hat section is 2.5" wide at base (including 3/8" wide flanges where it is attached), 1.25" at top. Height is 1.0" at bottom edge and 5/8" at top to match angle of radiator shroud. It is not a constant cross section as it widens in the center to 2" where the latch attaches. Hope this helps. Pete G. North Haven, CT **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Mar 9 16:38:26 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size References: <665440.88454.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D6DEAC5B25D4A759B74880CDC673BE6@rwa> > I have the same cutout, and an electric winch hanging from the ceiling. Heck, I have the Horrible Fright engine crane with the air-powered cylinder ;-) About to pull the lump again... David Lieb From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 9 16:38:48 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:38:48 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) References: <49B58EB0.3050905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0671531D7B344C31BC33514B6969F437@MAINCOMPUTER> Frank Just ran out and checked mine. It appears to be 1 3/4 in the center and tapers down to 1 1/2 at each end. I assume your talking about the channel that the locking pins ride in? IDo you need the exact length as well? Jim F . 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) >I just got the bonnet for my daughter's Bugeye back from the blast shop, > the channel where the latch handle goes is not there. > Can someone please open their bugeye nose and give me the measurements > (height, width) of that channel. > The chrome latch handle goes through it, it is as wide as the radiator > opening but since mine is gone, I have nothing to go by except spots > where it used to be welded to the lower lip of the bonnet. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Mar 9 16:41:27 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size Message-ID: <200903092341.n29NfR0a009944@xylocopa.ucdavis.edu> Mike, I made a wrench out of 1/8" thick steel about 2"wide and four inches long. Its the only thing I could get to fit. Glen > Anyone that has done Paul's 5 speed conversion know what size the hex nut > is > for the angle drive to transmission fitting? Mine fell off from > vibration > (maybe I forgot to tighten it before I installed the transmission). > Anyway > I spent the better part of two hours last night scraping my knuckles > trying > to fit the the speedo cable and angle drive unit back on the transmission > through the shifter can hole. I got the hex nut finger tight, but I > don't > have a wrench big enough to fit the hex. The largest I have is 24mm. > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > From nases at verizon.net Mon Mar 9 16:43:23 2009 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: <665440.88454.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665440.88454.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <879F88DF-3459-4475-A6AB-07AEAA78F535@verizon.net> What type of winch Ron? I have room front and back to move the car and I would like to reclaim the floor space the crane uses up. Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Mar 9, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com > wrote: >> Yes, but nobody pulls their engines as often as you do >> Frank. >> Mike > > I wish that were true. > > I have the same cutout, and an electric winch hanging from the > ceiling. > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as nases at verizon.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Mon Mar 9 16:45:24 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:45:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: <200903092341.n29NfR0a009944@xylocopa.ucdavis.edu> References: <200903092341.n29NfR0a009944@xylocopa.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: Glen, I don't have any way to cut 1/8th steel. I can't fit a Crescent wrench in there with the transmission in place. Could have used it with the engine outside the car, but... Mike On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Glen Byrns wrote: > > Mike, > > I made a wrench out of 1/8" thick steel about 2"wide and four inches long. > Its the only thing I could get to fit. > > Glen > > > Anyone that has done Paul's 5 speed conversion know what size the hex nut > > is > > for the angle drive to transmission fitting? Mine fell off from > > vibration > > (maybe I forgot to tighten it before I installed the transmission). > > Anyway > > I spent the better part of two hours last night scraping my knuckles > > trying > > to fit the the speedo cable and angle drive unit back on the transmission > > through the shifter can hole. I got the hex nut finger tight, but I > > don't > > have a wrench big enough to fit the hex. The largest I have is 24mm. > > Mike MacLean > > 60 Sprite > > 56 BN2 > > > From grday at btinternet.com Mon Mar 9 16:55:35 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:55:35 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size References: <200903092341.n29NfR0a009944@xylocopa.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <29045436D2FB449194B95E25DFEE29D1@dell330> What!! No hacksaw and elbow grease? (Says the man with a rheumatism riddled right elbow!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: "Glen Byrns" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hex Size > Glen, > I don't have any way to cut 1/8th steel. I can't fit a Crescent > wrench > in there with the transmission in place. Could have used it with the > engine > outside the car, but... > Mike > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Glen Byrns wrote: > >> >> Mike, >> >> I made a wrench out of 1/8" thick steel about 2"wide and four inches >> long. >> Its the only thing I could get to fit. >> >> Glen >> >> > Anyone that has done Paul's 5 speed conversion know what size the hex >> > nut >> > is >> > for the angle drive to transmission fitting? Mine fell off from >> > vibration >> > (maybe I forgot to tighten it before I installed the transmission). >> > Anyway >> > I spent the better part of two hours last night scraping my knuckles >> > trying >> > to fit the the speedo cable and angle drive unit back on the >> > transmission >> > through the shifter can hole. I got the hex nut finger tight, but I >> > don't >> > have a wrench big enough to fit the hex. The largest I have is 24mm. >> > Mike MacLean >> > 60 Sprite >> > 56 BN2 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Mar 9 17:01:27 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size References: <665440.88454.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <879F88DF-3459-4475-A6AB-07AEAA78F535@verizon.net> Message-ID: <89A2FB35E67742E79D83C177565DCB30@rwa> > What type of winch Ron? I have room front and back to move the car and I > would like to reclaim the floor space the crane uses up. Phil, It is too late. Once you have used a crane a couple times, you can't go back to a winch. It is like trying to use a hacksaw after borrowing a Sawzall ;-) From pythias at pacifier.com Mon Mar 9 17:12:03 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC-Foxit Reader RANT Message-ID: <581026266.20090309171203@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, Just so everyone knows. I've been using FOXIT reader for .pdf documents. It has been the fastest, easiest, most reliable one I had found. Today I upgraded clicking on the upgrade link. Well, it upgraded all right. It also installed FOXIT toolbar in both Firefox AND Explorer. It also modified about:config to use ASK.COM as my location bar search engine. It changed my default search engine to ASK.COM as well. I got it all fixed, finally. Don't trust these guys. I will be sure to NEVER use ASK.COM for any query for any reason. They are NOT nice people. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "Save the whales," spouted Tom. (*2) From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 17:46:13 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: References: <200903092341.n29NfR0a009944@xylocopa.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <49B5B855.8070407@comcast.net> rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > Glen, > I don't have any way to cut 1/8th steel. Angle grinder with a metal cut off blade. (not a grinder wheel but a thin metal cutting wheel) From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Mon Mar 9 17:58:10 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:58:10 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: <49B5B855.8070407@comcast.net> References: <200903092341.n29NfR0a009944@xylocopa.ucdavis.edu> <49B5B855.8070407@comcast.net> Message-ID: Alright, even if I did figure out a way to cut out a one time use wrench, I still don't know the distance across flats of the hex nut. So, back to my original question, what size is the hex nut? One more question. I read in Paul's installation instructions that a 10mm washer goes below the hex nut for "take up". If there was one there, I don't see it anywhere in the trans tunnel near the angle drive. Do any of you remember using this washer in your installation and is it absolutely necessary? Mike On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Frank wrote: > rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > >> Glen, >> I don't have any way to cut 1/8th steel. >> > Angle grinder with a metal cut off blade. (not a grinder wheel but a thin > metal cutting wheel) > > From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Mon Mar 9 18:39:32 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:39:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] For those pesky neighbors Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2he2eF2L_SE&feature=related -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Board Member at Large Philadelphia MG Club "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 18:47:34 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) In-Reply-To: <0671531D7B344C31BC33514B6969F437@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <49B58EB0.3050905@comcast.net> <0671531D7B344C31BC33514B6969F437@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <49B5C6B6.4090904@comcast.net> Thanks for the measurements, and I tried to make this compound piece a few times, looks like I can only make it square. So what do you guys think.....1.75 wide all the way or 1.25 all the way. Trying to make it tapered with 2 bends and an 1" rise just doesn't happen at home with basic tools even a metal brake. Since this car is already 2 cars cut and welded together, some minor changes to the bonnet will never be noticed ;) Everything from the grille down on this bonnet, if it's even there, is swiss cheese. I have to fabricate the radiator shroud, the whole front apron is basically gone including this channel. Even the cheeks where the fenders meet the apron are swiss cheese and the lower corners at the rockers were not there. I made them tonight and they look pretty good, I did make one cheek too but the apron and everything inside it is a bit tough. From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 9 18:51:38 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:51:38 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) References: <49B58EB0.3050905@comcast.net> <0671531D7B344C31BC33514B6969F437@MAINCOMPUTER> <49B5C6B6.4090904@comcast.net> Message-ID: <070F28BC531F4B7FBA4D318A66DA19BE@MAINCOMPUTER> Well it just needs to be wide enough to carry the locking pins, right? put the two rods together with a little grease on them, and thats your width. J 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Jim F." Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) > > Thanks for the measurements, and I tried to make this compound piece a > few times, looks like I can only make it square. > So what do you guys think.....1.75 wide all the way or 1.25 all the way. > Trying to make it tapered with 2 bends and an 1" rise just doesn't > happen at home with basic tools even a metal brake. > Since this car is already 2 cars cut and welded together, some minor > changes to the bonnet will never be noticed ;) > Everything from the grille down on this bonnet, if it's even there, is > swiss cheese. I have to fabricate the radiator shroud, the whole front > apron is basically gone including this channel. Even the cheeks where > the fenders meet the apron are swiss cheese and the lower corners at the > rockers were not there. I made them tonight and they look pretty good, I > did make one cheek too but the apron and everything inside it is a bit > tough. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 19:00:37 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) In-Reply-To: <070F28BC531F4B7FBA4D318A66DA19BE@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <49B58EB0.3050905@comcast.net> <0671531D7B344C31BC33514B6969F437@MAINCOMPUTER> <49B5C6B6.4090904@comcast.net> <070F28BC531F4B7FBA4D318A66DA19BE@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <49B5C9C5.10309@comcast.net> Jim F. wrote: > Well it just needs to be wide enough to carry the locking pins, right? > put the two rods together with a little grease on them, and thats your > width. > If I had one here to look at, I could figure out something. When there is nothing there, it's just a bit tough. I think I have to look at a decent bonnet in person as I think mine is missing too many parts down there. Locating pegs, where did they go? Holes for the twist latch, what holes, there is no metal there. From Jpp963 at aol.com Mon Mar 9 19:04:59 2009 From: Jpp963 at aol.com (Jpp963 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:04:59 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) Message-ID: Frank - I would go 1.75 all the way since you're making the bits around it. There's a plate welded to the channel to attach the latch giving you some leeway with the size in that area. Good Luck! Pete G. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From Jpp963 at aol.com Mon Mar 9 19:13:54 2009 From: Jpp963 at aol.com (Jpp963 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:13:54 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) Message-ID: May be easier to convert to front hinging bonnet? If you're still after a semi-original resto I can take some photos and additional measurements tomorrow. LMK. Pete G. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 9 19:14:42 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:14:42 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) References: <49B58EB0.3050905@comcast.net> <0671531D7B344C31BC33514B6969F437@MAINCOMPUTER> <49B5C6B6.4090904@comcast.net> <070F28BC531F4B7FBA4D318A66DA19BE@MAINCOMPUTER> <49B5C9C5.10309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C9AA80732B9421FAA0FE559CEBC064A@MAINCOMPUTER> I could maybe take some digital pics when the sun comes up if that would help? 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Jim F." Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) > Jim F. wrote: >> Well it just needs to be wide enough to carry the locking pins, right? >> put the two rods together with a little grease on them, and thats your >> width. >> > If I had one here to look at, I could figure out something. > When there is nothing there, it's just a bit tough. > I think I have to look at a decent bonnet in person as I think mine is > missing too many parts down there. > Locating pegs, where did they go? > Holes for the twist latch, what holes, there is no metal there. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 19:26:33 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] For those pesky neighbors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <245911.28361.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That looks vaguely familiar - seems like I've seen it but can't place it - and isn't the chef guy Michael Nesmith? ?- David From hmortada at aol.com Mon Mar 9 19:45:09 2009 From: hmortada at aol.com (hmortada at aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:45:09 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Seats & motor Message-ID: <8CB6F415CFD8BAF-1304-A6@WEBMAIL-DY14.sysops.aol.com> Hello all, I am looking for an advise from the esperienced guys and gals on the list. 1-Looking to put more comfortable seats in my 79 Midget, Would Honda seats work and the bolts go in the same place, or anyone has another suggestions! 2- Has anyone replaced a Midget Motor with a 4 cylinder BMW motor! Of course the tranny and the works has go with that. Just a thought, it maybe interesting to try and fit it with one, or maybe even a slant BMW 6 cyl. Thanks! Hadi ________________________________________________________________________ GameVault: Play free online games at Gamevault.ca. Word arcade, puzzle and more. Play now! http://www.gamevault.ca/?icid=AOLGAM00310000000001 From eric.t.cartman at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 19:55:12 2009 From: eric.t.cartman at gmail.com (Greg Gowins) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Seats & motor In-Reply-To: <8CB6F415CFD8BAF-1304-A6@WEBMAIL-DY14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6F415CFD8BAF-1304-A6@WEBMAIL-DY14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Howdy! Not sure if Honda seats would fit, but folks have had a lot of success putting Miata seats in their cars. The 4 banger BMW is an interesting idea, not sure if anyone has looked at doing that conversion. The main engines swapped in are the early Datsun engines and transmissions, which are basically metric clones of the A-Series setup. Greg On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:45 PM, wrote: > Hello all, I am looking for an advise from the esperienced guys and gals on > the list. > 1-Looking to put more comfortable seats in my 79 Midget, Would Honda seats > work and the bolts go in the same place, or anyone has another suggestions! > 2- Has anyone replaced a Midget Motor with a 4 cylinder BMW motor! Of > course the tranny and the works has go with that. Just a thought, it maybe > interesting to try and fit it with one, or maybe even a slant BMW 6 cyl. > Thanks! > Hadi > > From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 20:34:16 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:34:16 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size References: <49B5905A.9050000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F7E72EDD16F40BE91535552EDE4E8DB@blackbox2> I also put a hole there along with a sheet metal plate to cover it up. But I don't pull my engine very often. I did it because I was worried after seeing a photo someone posted where the the U joint hit the tunnel after converting to the Datsun tranny. That U joint sure does get dang close. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: "Frank" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hex Size > Yes, but nobody pulls their engines as often as you do Frank. > Mike >> Ah, the beauty and convenience of that 5" square hole I put in all my >> Spridgets on the floor where the driveshaft hits the tranny. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 20:43:44 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:43:44 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size References: <49B5905A.9050000@comcast.net> <3F7E72EDD16F40BE91535552EDE4E8DB@blackbox2> Message-ID: <85B42F89C8B74E12B60F3F1B4B6CDDDD@blackbox2> The Rivergate manual talked about some tunnels bending over the years as people step on the tunnel to hop in and out. Do you think that was your case? Or is it just production variation in the sheet metal? Like I said mine is real close. It may even hit with engine vibration. I won't know until I do the test drive (hopefully next weekend). ----- Original Message ----- From: rrengineer @dslextreme.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hex Size That was me. I ended up welding a plate with a bulge over the hole to clear the u-joint. Mike On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Dean Hedin wrote: I also put a hole there along with a sheet metal plate to cover it up. But I don't pull my engine very often. I did it because I was worried after seeing a photo someone posted where the the U joint hit the tunnel after converting to the Datsun tranny. That U joint sure does get dang close. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Mar 9 21:11:44 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] I like Peter Egan but.... Message-ID: <53AE29020F094F2BA40340FBBC7513F8@blackbox2> I just can't agree with his latest column. http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=7716 The way I see it is that the "people who make things" are already hurting due to decreases demand across the entire auto industry. So the arguement that GM going into Chapter 11 will cause a cascade of failure of suppliers just does'nt hold. The suppliers are already hurting. The suppliers have already laid off a bunch of "people who make things". The government should have told GM & Chrysler to go pound sand back in December. Instead of dragging this thing out and throwing more good money after bad. It should have then provided conditional low interest loans to Ford (or any other automaker operating a factory in the US that was not asking for a bailout). The condition being some sort of reward program for rapid re-hiring of displaced auto workers and suppliers. It was a miracle that Lee Iacoca was able to repay the 1.3 billion loan for the Chrysler bailout. I just don't see GM ever paying that bailout money back..not ever. From pythias at pacifier.com Mon Mar 9 22:11:47 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hex Size In-Reply-To: <3F7E72EDD16F40BE91535552EDE4E8DB@blackbox2> References: <49B5905A.9050000@comcast.net> <3F7E72EDD16F40BE91535552EDE4E8DB@blackbox2> Message-ID: <1657246856.20090309221147@pacifier.com> Hello Dean, It's more than close... way more.. Paul A. himself did the install (with my minimal assistance). When we started the car the U-Joint SMACKED the tunnel, but Paul knew the solution... .with the car still on the jackstands, we got a broomstick, slightly tapered the end and as i let out the clutch slowly he would toss it up the tunnel. The U joint would catch it and spin it around a couple times and bend the tunnel out of the way.. Three or four "shots" like that and it was cured.... -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "I was given a shampoo and trim by a Pakistani in Liverpool," said Tom in Urdu. From kk7ss at verizon.net Mon Mar 9 22:53:02 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Need vacuum unit for a 25D4 Message-ID: <49B59DCE.28493.34DFF65@kk7ss.verizon.net> Folks. Does anyone have a good vacuum unit for a 25D4 dizzy they can spare?? Mine leaks like a sieve... won't hold vauum for even 1 second.. If so... how many $$$ ???? I'm in S. Central WA state... -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 10 07:53:38 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:53:38 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home In-Reply-To: <197084851.20090308142020@pacifier.com> References: <49B41C98.9030606@comcast.net> <197084851.20090308142020@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Not even close Bill!! He could rebuild a bunch of rolling chassis with all the stuff he has squirreled up in boxes. :-) Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:20:20 -0700 > From: pythias at pacifier.com > To: spritenut at comcast.net > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Latest 69 Sprite comes home > > Hello Frank, > > Sounds like you need to part it out. Isn't your stock getting > depleted? > > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > JJoohhnn,, wwhhaatt ddooeess AAlltt--EE ddoo?? > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From haynes386 at netzero.net Tue Mar 10 07:52:19 2009 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:52:19 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] measurement needed (Bugeye) Message-ID: <20090310.085219.14986.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Frank- What about using something like drywall hat channel? It stands ~1.5" tall is u-bent, made from galvanized 20-24 ga (I think) steel If you need some, I've got short (3') sections sitting around. It would be easier to bend/adjust and lighter than solid. http://www.steeler.com/pdf/stlr_dwc.pdf Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXwVy1qavO5F3M27GUn3tJJQkNH3Ks7hhSGjUVC9OBF5oEXr21gJ6/ From grunthaner at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 07:59:06 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:59:06 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Metal question 62 MKII will she fit Pinky? ebay 180335072405 Message-ID: <205cef430903100759y7a2f73f5kc5b5b98dbe0e3c50@mail.gmail.com> Frank, List Are the rear fenders the same (sq arch) for all Sprites 62 & up? The owner on this ebay listing is not sure of the size and looking at MOSS they do not have the years. eBay # 180335072405 he has both left & right. Lin From haynes386 at netzero.net Tue Mar 10 08:04:29 2009 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:04:29 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Seats and motor Message-ID: <20090310.090429.14986.1@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Yes, the BMW 2002 motor transplant has been done, check out Spritespot.com forums. There's a guy and his dad here in Denver that did this conversion and it FLIES! Really nice folks, great job of conversion. too bad they had to butcher a BE to do it though. Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxVwhq7GJ8l1KQt3DciXlOv6v0WKM9fwlAqZJznm6GlpAX3TyMHPuY/ From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Mar 10 08:20:24 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:20:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Need vacuum unit for a 25D4 In-Reply-To: <7ll0se$5vtbg3@email.mtu.edu> References: <49B59DCE.28493.34DFF65@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <7ll0se$5vtbg3@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <49B622C8.5077.2CA88E@kk7ss.verizon.net> To all who replied... and you know who you are , Shoer re-cap... The engine in the beast is a 1275cc of unknown ancestry -- fake engine number stamped into the block!! The carbs 'might' have come from a Mini... The current dizzy has a top entry red capped dual point but has no vacuum advance, no labels and no ID numbers on it !! The 25D4 dizzy I have has the numbers "40767 F" and "12 69" stamped on it... The shaft has no play, it has good points and the dog is good. But it was designed for use with an 848cc engine... I can get a Cardone remanucatured dizzy from Autozone for $82 but I don't know if it's any good or even if it has the dog gear fitted!! So, after reading everybodies replies, my question now is; Should I just forget about it and get the correct dizzy?? Or should I get this one rebuilt?? Your advice would be of great value.. Two hail storms yesterday!! Current temp 22*F... I'm not going into the garage today!! -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Mar 10 08:24:41 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Need vacuum unit for a 25D4 In-Reply-To: <49B622C8.5077.2CA88E@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49B59DCE.28493.34DFF65@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <7ll0se$5vtbg3@email.mtu.edu>, <49B622C8.5077.2CA88E@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <49B623C9.15312.30950E@kk7ss.verizon.net> Can't type worth a d**n.. "Shoer re-cap..." should have been "Short re-cap" Sorry.. On 10 Mar 2009 at 8:20, Dave G. wrote: >> Shoer re-cap.. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 10 08:25:02 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:25:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bet it would be worth that or more, or even the estimate, if it had correct 948/998 engine and SU's instead of a Weber. Nice car tho, I like the trunk idea. Wish there were more photos Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:48 -0400 > To: nlaredbt7 at tbc.net; spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] This could be yours > > > Not for a car with a non period correct steering wheel... > > In a message dated 08/03/2009 01:15:21 GMT Standard Time, nlaredbt7 at tbc.net > writes: > > Anyone have any spare change laying around? > > http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 > > Neil Anderson > Illinois > '59 Bugeye > _______________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From tinydog at snet.net Tue Mar 10 08:38:56 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <935750.66511.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog whined: Such apparent attention to detail. Makes one wonder why they didn't paint the engine Austin green. And...yeah...period correct steering wheels are available. And PS - What the h*ll is with that Amco shift knob?! Starting to look like this is not a period correct restoration. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, brian S wrote: From: brian S Subject: Re: [Spridgets] This could be yours To: "daniel stapleton" , nlaredbt7 at tbc.net, "spridgets list" Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 11:25 AM Bet it would be worth that or more, or even the estimate, if it had correct 948/998 engine and SU's instead of a Weber. Nice car tho, I like the trunk idea. Wish there were more photos Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:48 -0400 > To: nlaredbt7 at tbc.net; spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] This could be yours > > > > http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 From davriker at nwi.net Tue Mar 10 09:09:06 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:09:06 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] I like Peter Egan but.... References: <53AE29020F094F2BA40340FBBC7513F8@blackbox2> Message-ID: <87E9E8BF4E914BAAB7C7A2D3832E59F7@MAIN> I just don't see AIG paying back their loan EVER that they seem to be getting without question.... The great depression was caused by LEVERAGE. Our current situation is also being caused by LEVERAGE. It doesn't matter that it is a house, a business venture, an insurance policy, a comodity, or a derivitave. If you borrow money to buy something you can't afford in the hopes that you can handle the payments with cash flow and sell it at a profit to somebody else who will borrow the money, handle the payments with cash flow, with the hopes of selling it to someone else at a profit, you have a ponzi scheme. Pyramid ponzi schemes always fail. Ours is failing. The automakers borrowed money (stocks and bonds) against their assets (factories, reputation, future sales) with the hopes of paying the interest with cash flow (daily sales) with the hopes of paying it all off by selling (more stocks, or in the case of Chrysler, another owner). The pyramid is now too big to support itself, the cash flow (daily sales) no longer cover the payments (billions each quarter) and the whole thing is coming down. The question is, DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR THE CRASH IN MONTHLY PAYMENTS, OR ALL AT ONCE, BECAUSE YOU AND I ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT... PERIOD. David Riker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: [Spridgets] I like Peter Egan but.... >I just can't agree with his latest column. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=7716 > > The way I see it is that the "people who make things" are already hurting > due to decreases demand across the > entire auto industry. > > So the arguement that GM going into Chapter 11 will cause a cascade of > failure of suppliers just does'nt hold. > The suppliers are already hurting. The suppliers have already laid off a > bunch of "people who make things". > > The government should have told GM & Chrysler to go pound sand back in > December. Instead of dragging this thing out and > throwing more good money after bad. > > It should have then provided conditional low interest loans to Ford (or > any other automaker operating a factory in the US that was > not > asking for a bailout). The condition being some sort of reward program > for rapid re-hiring of displaced auto workers and suppliers. > > It was a miracle that Lee Iacoca was able to repay the 1.3 billion loan > for the Chrysler bailout. > > I just don't see GM ever paying that bailout money back..not ever. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 09:28:10 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:28:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours In-Reply-To: <935750.66511.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <935750.66511.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8737C34F-9D1A-44FE-B7F0-833469FC51D3@comcast.net> next you'll say something about zip ties and oil cooling not being original.. Lester On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:38 AM, tinydog at snet.net wrote: > tinydog whined: > > Such apparent attention to detail. Makes one wonder why they didn't > paint the engine Austin green. > > And...yeah...period correct steering wheels are available. > > And PS - What the h*ll is with that Amco shift knob?! > > Starting to look like this is not a period correct restoration. > > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, brian S wrote: > From: brian S > > Bet it would be worth that or more, or even the estimate, > if it had correct 948/998 engine and SU's instead of a Weber. > Nice car tho, I like the trunk idea. > Wish there were more photos > > Brian S. > Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > > > >> From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com >> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:48 -0400 >> To: nlaredbt7 at tbc.net; spridgets at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] This could be yours >> >> > >> >> http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=AM09&CarID=r187 From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 10:47:24 2009 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:47:24 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Metal question 62 MKII will she fit Pinky? ebay 180335072405 In-Reply-To: <205cef430903100759y7a2f73f5kc5b5b98dbe0e3c50@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903100759y7a2f73f5kc5b5b98dbe0e3c50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: Are the rear fenders the same (sq arch) for all Sprites 62 & up? Those are universal replacement panels and will fit from 62 and up. The big difference over the years was that the hibs (rounded part under the tail lights) were not on the RB cars... The panel listed on ebay is cropped at the rear so it will work on either style. -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 10 13:23:10 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:23:10 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] For those pesky neighbors Message-ID: He was from the Monkees In a message dated 10/03/2009 02:26:54 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: Michael Nesmith From refisk at chartermi.net Tue Mar 10 13:34:57 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:34:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] I like Peter Egan but.... References: <53AE29020F094F2BA40340FBBC7513F8@blackbox2> Message-ID: <00ee01c9a1bf$ada29a70$6401a8c0@refisk> If GM goes into bankruptcy their suppliers won't be hurting anymore. They'll be out of business. And the workers they still have - "people who make things" - will be unemployed. Won't be pretty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:11 AM Subject: [Spridgets] I like Peter Egan but.... >I just can't agree with his latest column. > http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=7716 > > The way I see it is that the "people who make things" are already hurting > due to decreases demand across the > entire auto industry. > > So the arguement that GM going into Chapter 11 will cause a cascade of > failure of suppliers just does'nt hold. > The suppliers are already hurting. The suppliers have already laid off a > bunch of "people who make things". From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 14:02:58 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] I like Peter Egan but.... In-Reply-To: <00ee01c9a1bf$ada29a70$6401a8c0@refisk> References: <53AE29020F094F2BA40340FBBC7513F8@blackbox2> <00ee01c9a1bf$ada29a70$6401a8c0@refisk> Message-ID: <73E75DE8-9094-4C93-8538-9D7E16B1660A@comcast.net> If GM goes into bankruptcy they will get rid of union contracts and otherwise do exactly what they have been doing all along.. they'll close on a Saturday and open a month later making the same cars with the same suppliers and with more profit.. Lester .. but maybe I'm cynical.. On Mar 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Rick wrote: > If GM goes into bankruptcy their suppliers won't be hurting anymore. > > They'll be out of business. And the workers they still have - > "people who make things" - will be unemployed. Won't be pretty. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" > To: "Spridgets" > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:11 AM > Subject: [Spridgets] I like Peter Egan but.... > > >> I just can't agree with his latest column. >> http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=7716 >> >> The way I see it is that the "people who make things" are already >> hurting due to decreases demand across the >> entire auto industry. >> >> So the arguement that GM going into Chapter 11 will cause a cascade >> of failure of suppliers just does'nt hold. >> The suppliers are already hurting. The suppliers have already laid >> off a bunch of "people who make things". From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 16:57:23 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:57:23 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Gear Box Issue Looming on the Horizon, Need Some Advice Message-ID: <37dc82d40903101657t750a004wf476fb71bb742b8a@mail.gmail.com> I have a rib case gear box, early 70 model I believe in my 59 BE with a 1275. I bought it from a guy in Los Angeles who had it listed on eBay, about 4 years ago. I paid, 150 for it and I picked it up from him while on a visit to the area. He had it on a stand, some type of motorized stand so that he could show the eBay community "how it goes through the gears.' So I took a chance. I took a feeler gauge to it before I installed it, and it spec'd out just fine. I installed in about 5 months ago, and although 1st gear is more noisy than I would like - I hear that straight cut gears are going to be a bit more noisy - the thing has ran flawlessley. Recently, it runs fine until it gets hot. . then it tends to be hard to shift. . it tightens up. I may also have too much play in my clutch - and the oil level might be off as well. What should the play be on my clutch pedal? And does anyone know off hand what the capacity should be for this gear box? It am going to drain it and refill it to the correct level, just to be sure. . and I plan to use the same engine oil that I run in the motor. . . Rotella. Thanks! Kirk From millerls at ado13.com Tue Mar 10 22:06:13 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:06:13 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] A Series Engine Numbers Message-ID: Someone pointed me to a list of A Series engine numbers recently but I can no longer find the link. Anyone care to help? Larry From grunthaner at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 02:56:17 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Metal question 62 MKII will she fit Pinky? ebay 180335072405 In-Reply-To: References: <205cef430903100759y7a2f73f5kc5b5b98dbe0e3c50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903110256p3da612b6j6c1ea8f770e727ac@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Kent, started looking at my car and I am now thinking a small patch will be easier to put in so I'm going to pass on it. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > > Are the rear fenders the same (sq arch) for all Sprites 62 & up? > Those are universal replacement panels and will fit from 62 and up. The big > difference over the years was that the hibs (rounded part under the tail > lights) were not on the RB cars... The panel listed on ebay is cropped at > the rear so it will work on either style. > > -- > Kent > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... > From grunthaner at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 03:26:23 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:26:23 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? Message-ID: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> List, I'm getting close to determining how to keep my Sprite running smoothly without crapping out. I need to replace the fuel filters I know but I'll run her down the street w/out filters and see how she runs before I pick up my new filters. But I still think my coil is going or weak as she craps out when hot. Is their a way to test my coil with an ohm meter? Ether way it will be cool to learn how to test any coil. Is a coil like a light bulb it ether is working or dead as bulbs don't go dim in ac current or can it just be weak like a battery as it starts to go bad? Thanks again, Linda From mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu Wed Mar 11 06:49:26 2009 From: mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu (Mark A. O'Neil) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:49:26 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? Message-ID: <6EC9231C-60B0-4B5E-A315-40C6D6AD12DC@dartmouth.edu> Hi, So I need to get a new top and the '79 Midget uses this funky velcro tab(?) to attach the top at the front quarter by the window... mine are shot/non-existum and I question the long term effectiveness at holding a shrinking/expanding top anyway and I am thinking about placing posts at those points and fitting an older top, but I could be convinced otherwise on the sanity of both these points. Well, after a limited amount of shopping I have not found a source for the replacement velcro bits ... so it is looking like the posts and I think I would rather replace them with a tenax connector anyway. So the questions follow: Can one (easily) get into that area to put in a machine threaded post or would a sheet metal thread be easier. Another option is I found a plate held by two sheet metal screws with a post centered. I am thinking given where the post needs to go a sheet metal threaded one may be the best option. Thoughts from the group? Also anyone know where I can source just two of these posts? I don't need 10 and I don't need both the post and pull. Thanks, -m From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 07:15:07 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:15:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> I wouldn't run up the street without fuel filters. If there is enough trash to clog your filters then you don't want to let any of that stuff into your carbs unless you absolutely have must. You could also have a problematic fuel pump. I think the Facet or NAPA fuel pump is the modern replacement. How old/what type is your fuel pump? Does it make any noise when you first turn on the key? Replace the fuel filter(s). They are cheap and should be replaced periodically. Also, if you suspect fuel delivery problems, there might be a problem in the tank. I suggest a clear plastic filter near the carb(s) so that you can see fuel in it when it is working. It may not appear "full" of fuel, but that's OK, as long as there is some fuel in it. Also, give us a full rundown of exactly how it behaves from the time you start it to when it dies and won't start to when it will start again. It is starting to sound like fuel pump. Coils usually go out and stay out, in my experience. From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 07:23:18 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:23:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> Basic coil testing with VOM: http://www.international-auto.com/afla-romeo-electrical-system/alfa-romeo-how-to-test-an-ignition-coil.cfm If you coil is working intermittently, however, it will test good at least when it is working. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Mar 11 07:32:58 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A4DDD552385478B874B3934C21FF7E8@NilesAD.von.gov> > Basic coil testing with VOM: > http://www.international-auto.com/afla-romeo-electrical-system/alfa-romeo-how-to-test-an-ignition-coil.cfm Except that the readings they are showing are not correct for our cars. The A-series cars use internally-ballasted coils and should read about 3 oms across the primary and the later 1500 cars use externally-ballasted coils and should read about 1.5 ohms across the primary. Not sure the exact changeover. Never checked the secondary... David Lieb From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 07:37:54 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:37:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <7A4DDD552385478B874B3934C21FF7E8@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <7A4DDD552385478B874B3934C21FF7E8@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903110737r4b3b85aeo94a0c71db287337a@mail.gmail.com> OK, thanks. Also, Linda's coil may have unknown history. So, anything from 0.75 to 4 or so Ohms on the primary side may mean the coil is good? > Except that the readings they are showing are not correct for our cars. The > A-series cars use internally-ballasted coils and should read about 3 oms > across the primary and the later 1500 cars use externally-ballasted coils > and should read about 1.5 ohms across the primary. Not sure the exact > changeover. Never checked the secondary... > David Lieb From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Mar 11 07:57:10 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:57:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <7A4DDD552385478B874B3934C21FF7E8@NilesAD.von.gov> <5f00d9910903110737r4b3b85aeo94a0c71db287337a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <73BBAD0CDDEA45E4A72C7311A8A46FDA@NilesAD.von.gov> > Also, Linda's coil may have unknown history. > So, anything from 0.75 to 4 or so Ohms on the primary side may mean > the coil is good? Or, if the reading is too far out to lunch, it could mean that the coil works for a while and then dies because it is not expecting the voltage it is actually seeing. It is possible that she has an Alfa coil in there and it is overheating because it is the wrong impedance for the application. I did not say it was likely... David Lieb From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 11 07:56:38 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <7A4DDD552385478B874B3934C21FF7E8@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <0F861AD7D38A40C995FEAA1A213CC51E@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" To: "Spridget List" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? > Basic coil testing with VOM: > http://www.international-auto.com/afla-romeo-electrical-system/alfa-romeo-how-to-test-an-ignition-coil.cfm Except that the readings they are showing are not correct for our cars. The A-series cars use internally-ballasted coils and should read about 3 oms across the primary and the later 1500 cars use externally-ballasted coils and should read about 1.5 ohms across the primary. Not sure the exact changeover. Never checked the secondary... David Lieb _______________________________________________ Or about 2.4 ohms if you are using a sport coil. LAD From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Mar 11 10:47:14 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:47:14 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? Message-ID: Sounds like it is going bad. You'll also find a misfire up the rpm range but not down the rpm range, especially when hot. In a message dated 11/03/2009 10:26:49 GMT Standard Time, grunthaner at gmail.com writes: But I still think my coil is going or weak as she craps out when hot. From froggi60 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 11:10:17 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours In-Reply-To: <2A330A06471E4517B82D8520505332AE@owner7ccec1fe9> References: <37dc82d40903062203q3a77c7cqb4b1d53655086192@mail.gmail.com> <2A330A06471E4517B82D8520505332AE@owner7ccec1fe9> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903111110y7adbb206yd45b3a2a2cd85cf@mail.gmail.com> Look at the rear of the car...no Sprite! Looks Big Healey to me. Non the less, I'd have it in my garage.... Herb From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:29:11 2009 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:29:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! Message-ID: Fleabay 160264976431 -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From cclabaw at juno.com Wed Mar 11 13:39:30 2009 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:39:30 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? Message-ID: <20090311.133930.10742.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Anything that's electric and old can fail due to internal insulation breakdown; coils are cheap, replace it or mount it outside so the breeze can cool it. Clay L. '67 Sprite ---------- Original Message ---------- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com To: grunthaner at gmail.com, spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:47:14 EDT Sounds like it is going bad. You'll also find a misfire up the rpm range but not down the rpm range, especially when hot. In a message dated 11/03/2009 10:26:49 GMT Standard Time, grunthaner at gmail.com writes: But I still think my coil is going or weak as she craps out when hot. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Save on Digital Photography Serivces and Hardware. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPyO7hHM42hkL2q5h516nFz0t7Ad90aISd52knfnEoucBAL6CU/ From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:41:55 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frank could fix it..... On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > Fleabay > > 160264976431 > > -- > Kent > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:42:54 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:42:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903111342g13c44419r1d0673c54997b299@mail.gmail.com> Aw come one. Its ONLY $1000. ;-) Caution it appears to be sagging just a bit in the drivers door. Surely that's easily fixed, right Frank? On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > Fleabay > > 160264976431 > > -- > Kent > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tr3.4.me at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Mar 11 13:45:54 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Flounder's own SOS References: <001001c99823$c08d8ff0$41a8afd0$@com> Message-ID: <8580BB99B0114A2D8E6AA6AEA0A9F140@NilesAD.von.gov> > So, anyone interested in helping? We'd target mid-March as the weather > breaks a little. Any updates on this? I am still waiting for actuial dates, but March weekends are filling up. David Lieb From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 11 15:06:25 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:06:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Did anybody check his 'store'?? Terlet for EngineerMike & couple Sunbeams !!! LOL From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 11 15:08:23 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:08:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <20090311.133930.10742.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <> PERFECT 'hood' (er, bonnet) ornament, Clay !!!!! From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Wed Mar 11 14:10:39 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:10:39 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <932A3B16-5133-4490-9CA6-9B0E98AC293A@comcast.net> .. But it's a racecar!! ya saw the stripe right?? Lester From wsthompson at thicko.com Wed Mar 11 14:12:37 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:12:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Flounder's own SOS In-Reply-To: <8580BB99B0114A2D8E6AA6AEA0A9F140@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <001001c99823$c08d8ff0$41a8afd0$@com> <8580BB99B0114A2D8E6AA6AEA0A9F140@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <00da01c9a28e$1cdad910$56908b30$@com> Based on the recent weather we had... 7" of snow on top of an inch of freezing sleet, and today, 10F with 50 mph winds, I think it will be March 21 and 22. Thanks for asking. WST > -----Original Message----- > From: David Lieb [mailto:dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:46 PM > To: Wm. Severin Thompson; 'Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net'; > spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Flounder's own SOS > > > So, anyone interested in helping? We'd target mid-March as the > weather > > breaks a little. > > Any updates on this? I am still waiting for actuial dates, but March > weekends are filling up. > David Lieb From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Mar 11 14:27:00 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:27:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Flounder's own SOS References: <001001c99823$c08d8ff0$41a8afd0$@com> <8580BB99B0114A2D8E6AA6AEA0A9F140@NilesAD.von.gov> <00da01c9a28e$1cdad910$56908b30$@com> Message-ID: <1CBCD769742D4D1D87DFC2FECED4AD12@NilesAD.von.gov> > Based on the recent weather we had... 7" of snow on top of an inch of > freezing sleet, and today, 10F with 50 mph winds, I think it will be March > 21 and 22. Thanks for asking. Good! That is the best possible answer for me. Keep us up to date with timing details and all. Can I bring up some grill fodder and soft drinks? David From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 11 14:36:17 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:36:17 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? In-Reply-To: <6EC9231C-60B0-4B5E-A315-40C6D6AD12DC@dartmouth.edu> References: <6EC9231C-60B0-4B5E-A315-40C6D6AD12DC@dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <49B82ED1.6070709@comcast.net> I put a threaded tenax post on all the 67 and up Spridgets. The 67 came from the factory with a post and a chrome acorn nut on the inside. It went through the little chrome finish cap. I was getting the longer tenax post at a local sail making shop but he has moved away. Maybe a marine supply (Boaters World) has them. Sheetmetal screw will probably pull out. From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 11 14:51:07 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:51:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0903111342g13c44419r1d0673c54997b299@mail.gmail.com> References: <8de85a9c0903111342g13c44419r1d0673c54997b299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B8324B.6050703@comcast.net> Jeff Foster wrote: > Aw come one. Its ONLY $1000. ;-) > > Yeah about $990 too much. From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 11 14:49:23 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:49:23 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <20090311.133930.10742.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20090311.133930.10742.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Moss just put a bunch of diagnostic videos on You Tube. Here's the one about checking the coil: *http://tinyurl.com/altlxy You should check out all 43 of them. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 * On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:39 PM, cclabaw at juno.com wrote: > Anything that's electric and old can fail due to internal insulation > breakdown; coils are cheap, replace it or mount it outside so the breeze can > cool it. > > Clay L. > '67 Sprite > > From tinydog at snet.net Wed Mar 11 14:53:32 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! In-Reply-To: <49B8324B.6050703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <823202.73457.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog pointed-out: The photo is certainly humorous, but otoh, 1) The seller is entertaining offers, 2) There could be good parts under hood, 3) the seller is in business. Most people in business, do so to make a profit. What I find objectionable is the seller who takes a beater, spray-paints everything and then then advertises it at "market price", when all it is, is the same old beater but with shiny paint. --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Frank wrote: From: Frank Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! To: "Jeff Foster" Cc: "Spridgets" , "CosmicMag1380" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 5:51 PM Jeff Foster wrote: > Aw come one. Its ONLY $1000. ;-) > > Yeah about $990 too much. From mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu Wed Mar 11 16:00:02 2009 From: mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu (Mark A. O'Neil) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? In-Reply-To: <49B82ED1.6070709@comcast.net> References: <6EC9231C-60B0-4B5E-A315-40C6D6AD12DC@dartmouth.edu> <49B82ED1.6070709@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0B2A6D1D-04DC-4580-817A-3057CC1847A9@dartmouth.edu> Hey, Thanks to everyone who has replied - the consensus seems to be: 1) I'm not crazy for wanting to do this 2) I can get the posts through vendors ( I had missed them in the catalogs ) or boat/upholstery shops and 3) the machine screw post through the trim finish cap is the way to go as the sheet metal one would probably eventually pull out. Now one more question: The top needs replaced too, so do I get an 8 tenax (pre-68?) top and just install the posts through the trim finish or get a 6 tenax top and fit the missing two posts and pulls? Cheers, -m From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 11 17:00:32 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:00:32 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage Message-ID: With 600 miles on my rebuilt 1275, I just figured mileage from my trip from San Bernardino to Van Nuys and back at 70 MPH this past weekend. I traveled 69 miles one way to the car show. It just took 3.5 gallons to fill the tank back up. That's 39.4 miles to the gallon. That's using the single HIF44 carb. Boy that 5th gear makes a difference too. Probably get a little better after it breaks in. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 11 17:14:31 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:14:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Angle Drive Saga Ends Message-ID: I just got the angle drive back on the transmission after two days of trying to screw it back up through the opening in the shifter can hole at the top of the tunnel. It had fallen off at LOTO this past summer. The whole time I had this Datsun transmission in the Bugeye I have been leaking transmission oil at the back of the transmission tunnel when I parked on a slight incline. It had been leaking from the speedo cable angle drive where it screws to the transmission into the trans tunnel , even when the angle drive was screwed on. I only found out after reading Paul's instructions that you are supposed to put a M10 flat washer (a metric flat washer for a 10mm bolt) in between the angle drive and the threaded fitting on the transmission to get the angle drive to tighten properly. Well the washer had been left out in out hurry to install the transmission. Being loose the angle drive hex fitting did two things, it leaked oil and it vibrated off. There is a washer in there now. Lesson learned, read the directions. Since I have to re-fill the trans now my question to you guys is, what kind of oil are you using in your 5 speed transmissions? Conventional or synthetic? Mike MacLean 60 Sprite (with a working speedometer now) 56 BN2 From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 11 21:22:57 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:22:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Angle Drive Saga Ends In-Reply-To: Message-ID: POC, Mike !!!!! <> ATF w/50-50 anti-freeze !!!! Geesh, read the 'directions WILL ya !!!!! PPP From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 11 21:29:52 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:29:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? In-Reply-To: <49B82ED1.6070709@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> Faster than the 'crack of doom' appears, Frank !!! LOL Oh WAIT !!! Asian made screw will las...... From davriker at nwi.net Wed Mar 11 20:40:31 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:40:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? References: <6EC9231C-60B0-4B5E-A315-40C6D6AD12DC@dartmouth.edu><49B82ED1.6070709@comcast.net> <0B2A6D1D-04DC-4580-817A-3057CC1847A9@dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: Not pre-68, just 68 only. But you can add the tenax fastener to the 69-79 top if you find a deal on one. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark A. O'Neil" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? > Hey, > > Thanks to everyone who has replied - the consensus seems to be: > 1) I'm not crazy for wanting to do this > 2) I can get the posts through vendors ( I had missed them in the > catalogs ) or boat/upholstery shops > and > 3) the machine screw post through the trim finish cap is the way to go > as the sheet metal one would probably eventually pull out. > > Now one more question: > > The top needs replaced too, so do I get an 8 tenax (pre-68?) top and > just install the posts through the trim finish or get a 6 tenax top > and fit the missing two posts and pulls? > > Cheers, > -m > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 From cclabaw at juno.com Wed Mar 11 20:42:12 2009 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:42:12 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? Message-ID: <20090311.204212.25487.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> My (early) '67 has 'wood screw' tenax posts; however, they screw into bent flat spring steel "speed nuts" inside the finisher strip. Clay L. '67 Sprite ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Frank To: "Mark A. O'Neil" Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:36:17 -0400 I put a threaded tenax post on all the 67 and up Spridgets. The 67 came from the factory with a post and a chrome acorn nut on the inside. It went through the little chrome finish cap. I was getting the longer tenax post at a local sail making shop but he has moved away. Maybe a marine supply (Boaters World) has them. Sheetmetal screw will probably pull out. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEuJBPqPjg03LR1jAtyX9BM0GX6DzAuQks0MDSdCiae48Y4dBCYNa/ From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Mar 11 21:32:54 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage References: Message-ID: I figure a 948 + 5 speed will break 50 mpg easily. What rear axle ratio are you running? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage > With 600 miles on my rebuilt 1275, I just figured mileage from my trip from > San Bernardino to Van Nuys and back at 70 MPH this past weekend. I > traveled 69 miles one way to the car show. It just took 3.5 gallons to > fill the tank back up. That's 39.4 miles to the gallon. That's using the > single HIF44 carb. Boy that 5th gear makes a difference too. Probably get > a little better after it breaks in. > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 03:30:53 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:30:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Best Deal Around... Not!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430903120330x4dab2f99j97bb4b76eecc7fd2@mail.gmail.com> He should be ashamed of himself. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > Fleabay > > 160264976431 > > -- > Kent > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 03:36:02 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:36:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] For those pesky neighbors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430903120336r35f4c307tcbe85e1138094880@mail.gmail.com> Did you see the video below it where the kid blew his arm off shaking a bottle of chlorine and alcohol. I can't believe the kid was that stupid. Lin On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Larry Macy wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2he2eF2L_SE&feature=related > > -- > Larry Macy > 78 Midget > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. > lmacy at phillymgclub.com > Board Member at Large > Philadelphia MG Club > > > > "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never > actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From froggi60 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 04:14:56 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:14:56 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903120414s479ebd3ct2a2844c0a5626988@mail.gmail.com> ...take your foot off the brake Mike! On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com < rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote: > With 600 miles on my rebuilt 1275, I just figured mileage from my trip from > San Bernardino to Van Nuys and back at 70 MPH this past weekend. I > traveled 69 miles one way to the car show. It just took 3.5 gallons to > fill the tank back up. That's 39.4 miles to the gallon. That's using the > single HIF44 carb. Boy that 5th gear makes a difference too. Probably get > a little better after it breaks in. > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > _______________________________________________ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Mar 12 04:45:14 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go References: <726DFF80D2F34EF68009B4E38859BE29@rwa> <7lku3e$5or8uk@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <0A8E82DFBD1B406882428CF99D6BFDB7@rwa> >>> What's the verdict??? Do you know yet? The transmission guy assures me that, since it slips effortlessly into every gear with the engine running and my foot off the clutch, it pretty much has to be the center ripped out of the clutch or the input shaft is broken (it musta talked to my Spridgets too much). I won't know for sure until it is out and open. Somehow I think I am actually going to pay someone else to do this one... I just can't get excited about pulling an FWD trans... David Lieb From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Mar 12 04:51:55 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:51:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage References: Message-ID: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> >I figure a 948 + 5 speed will break 50 mpg easily. > What rear axle ratio are you running? Only if you are only driving downhill. Too many people believe that a smaller engine equates to better gas mileage. Tain't necessarily so. It can be true within limits.. Ed's "600HP) el camino would probably get much better mileage with a smaller engine. OTOH, if the engine does not produce adequate torque for the job at hand, the mileage will actually improve with a stronger engine that is not trying to run a 125% most of the time. The 948, unless breathed on by someone who knows what he is doing, was not particularly adequate for its task. a decent 1275 with a 3.9 will be capable of getting better mileage, especially if you have hills involved. David Lieb From bighealey at charter.net Thu Mar 12 05:03:10 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:03:10 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? In-Reply-To: <6EC9231C-60B0-4B5E-A315-40C6D6AD12DC@dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: I just went through this on a 76 and my buddy on a 77. I am starting out with the Velcro which works dandy now it is new. I did replace the Velcro strip on the car also. Once it stops working I'll add a tenax twist snap there but do not need it for now. I say the twist snap since these tops are notoriously tight fitting especially the 3 lift a dots on both sides. I think a twist type will be easier to use. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark A. O'Neil Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:49 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Tenax Posts? Hi, So I need to get a new top and the '79 Midget uses this funky velcro tab(?) to attach the top at the front quarter by the window... mine are shot/non-existum and I question the long term effectiveness at holding a shrinking/expanding top anyway and I am thinking about placing posts at those points and fitting an older top, but I could be convinced otherwise on the sanity of both these points. Well, after a limited amount of shopping I have not found a source for the replacement velcro bits ... so it is looking like the posts and I think I would rather replace them with a tenax connector anyway. So the questions follow: Can one (easily) get into that area to put in a machine threaded post or would a sheet metal thread be easier. Another option is I found a plate held by two sheet metal screws with a post centered. I am thinking given where the post needs to go a sheet metal threaded one may be the best option. Thoughts from the group? Also anyone know where I can source just two of these posts? I don't need 10 and I don't need both the post and pull. Thanks, -m _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Thu Mar 12 05:12:26 2009 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go Message-ID: <1126701c9a30b$ce817c50$116a010a@mail2world.com> Why not? It's easier than a Spridget gearbox. You don't have to pull the motor, and you have access both top and bottom. I had my Tercel box out in about 30 minutes. :) -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: David Lieb [dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com] Sent: 3/12/2009 6:47:14 AM To: thcollin at mtu.edu;spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go >>> What's the verdict??? Do you know yet? The transmission guy assures me that, since it slips effortlessly into every gear with the engine running and my foot off the clutch, it pretty much has to be the center ripped out of the clutch or the input shaft is broken (it musta talked to my Spridgets too much). I won't know for sure until it is out and open. Somehow I think I am actually going to pay someone else to do this one... I just can't get excited about pulling an FWD trans... David Lieb _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets . From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Mar 12 05:16:42 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go References: <1126701c9a30b$ce817c50$116a010a@mail2world.com> Message-ID: >>> Why not? It's easier than a Spridget gearbox. You don't have to pull the >>> motor, and you have access both top and bottom. I had my Tercel box out >>> in about 30 minutes. :) Take a good look inside the engine compartment of a Cruiser sometime. Tercels aren't bad... they had no illusions about no one needing to work on it. David From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 12 10:57:30 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:57:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> I had one on rental last summer guys, even if my back/nerve problem was cured..... NOT me either !!!!!! YIKES, nobody coulda thought of 'access'!! From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 12 11:04:05 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:04:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> Message-ID: <> You got THAT right, David !!!! The Black 375/350 gets TRIPLE the mileage !!! Let's see. One weekend, 2 engine cranes, good weather..... Nah, Black one is very tired but is original & numbers matching (including ALL paperwork from Window Sticker & Invoice forward!! Anybody want a project???? Frank, w/new shoes you could drive it home!!!!!! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 10:37:00 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:00 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage Message-ID: To be honest on a 5 speed car that just too darn slow - you should be cruising at about 85-90mph. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 12/03/2009 00:00:47 GMT Standard Time, rrengineer at dslextreme.com writes: With 600 miles on my rebuilt 1275, I just figured mileage from my trip from San Bernardino to Van Nuys and back at 70 MPH this past weekend. I traveled 69 miles one way to the car show. It just took 3.5 gallons to fill the tank back up. That's 39.4 miles to the gallon. That's using the single HIF44 carb. Boy that 5th gear makes a difference too. Probably get a little better after it breaks in. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 11:28:21 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:28:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0903121128l2cc62f73x837ce02b3b385c17@mail.gmail.com> I rented one at the Philly airport last November and drove over to Frank's place and back for the Holy Sprite project. I didn't think it was THAT bad! Worst thing about it was trying to figure out how to turn of the headlights. Thanks to Macy and Valentine for telling me you have to turn them off *before* you turn off the ignition! Otherwise, the horn worked fine and I could zip the window down to give people the bird... That's all you need for New Jersey driving, isn't it, Frank? I admit I didn't look under the bonnet..... Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > <> > > I had one on rental last summer guys, even if my back/nerve problem was > cured..... > > NOT me either !!!!!! YIKES, nobody coulda thought of 'access'!! > From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 11:40:05 2009 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:40:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Internet Vote for a Friend Message-ID: http://modernmom.com/main/polls_video/2/10 Sgt. Tony Bryce was disabled due to the crash and receives a disability pension from the Cincinnati Retirement System. That system is not near on par with the state systems so I am sure that if they won this contest it would be a trip that they could never have taken on their own. I would consider it a favor to me and all police officers if you would vote for him. -- Kent J. Miller Ass't Chief, Ret. Summit P.D. 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From cbaustin at verizon.net Thu Mar 12 12:16:56 2009 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] NMC - PT Cruiser No Go References: <43840a7e0903121128l2cc62f73x837ce02b3b385c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D3C377999E74144A459BA57DDACEC1C@universal1> You forgot to mention that your rental was hot pink with a gold lame' interior - looked good on you, though!! CB From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 12:21:49 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:21:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Internet Vote for a Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731AF3E9-8B11-4308-9BA0-AAD0A2E99CFB@comcast.net> That link says that I have already voted?? ..and a brief search of the site shows no video contest?? What gives? Lester On Mar 12, 2009, at 1:40 PM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > http://modernmom.com/main/polls_video/2/10 > > Sgt. Tony Bryce was disabled due to the crash and receives a > disability > pension from the Cincinnati Retirement System. That system is not > near on > par with the state systems so I am sure that if they won this > contest it > would be a trip that they could never have taken on their own. I would > consider it a favor to me and all police officers if you would vote > for him. > > -- > Kent J. Miller > Ass't Chief, Ret. > Summit P.D. > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... > _______________________________________________ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Mar 12 12:37:19 2009 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:37:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Internet Vote for a Friend References: Message-ID: <2B433E4BF8564FDFB927165F855CC827@NilesAD.von.gov> > http://modernmom.com/main/polls_video/2/10 > > Sgt. Tony Bryce was disabled due to the crash and receives a disability > pension from the Cincinnati Retirement System. That system is not near on > par with the state systems so I am sure that if they won this contest it > would be a trip that they could never have taken on their own. I would > consider it a favor to me and all police officers if you would vote for > him. Huh? The video appeared to be BY Toni Bezdek ABOUT Bryce Bezdek... Who is Tony Bryce? From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 15:14:47 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:14:47 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B98957.6090702@comcast.net> Ed's Shop wrote: > > Frank, w/new shoes you could drive it home!!!!!! > > Does that mean it works like Fred Flintstone's car? That's why I need new shoes. Floorless! From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 15:16:10 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:16:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> References: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> Message-ID: <49B989AA.7060200@comcast.net> David Lieb wrote: >> I figure a 948 + 5 speed will break 50 mpg easily. >> What rear axle ratio are you running? > A well tuned breathed on 1275/5 speed and cruise control will get you 42 mpg on the highway. That's what I was getting to and fro last summer's Missouri trip. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 17:37:52 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:37:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage References: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> Message-ID: <4E3E8309D76247FCA523022583545283@blackbox2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" > >I figure a 948 + 5 speed will break 50 mpg easily. >> What rear axle ratio are you running? > > Only if you are only driving downhill. Too many people believe that a > smaller engine equates to better gas mileage. Tain't necessarily so. It can > be true within limits.. I disagree. From an economy perspective, and all other things being equal, the 948 will beat the 1275. However I think we should peruse some published data first. How about Dymock's "Sprites & Midgets" Appendix E: Mark Mpg @ 50 mph Mpg @ 70 mph Engine Axle HAN 5 53.5 36.0 0948 4.22 GAN 1 49.5 39.0 0948 4.22 GAN 2 44.0 35.5 1098 4.22 GAN 3 44.0 34.0 1098 4.22 GAN 4 40.0 31.5 1275 4.22 GAN 5 55.0 35.5 1275 3.90 GAN 6 39.2 29.8 1493 3.90 The table in the book says " from contemporary road tests in Motor and Autocar" Couple observations: 1) Up to GAN 4 they all had the same diff ratio. MPG constanly decreases as the engine size goes up. 2) GAN 5 is either anomoulous or it really is all about the final drive ratio...in which case a 948 will have a proportional jump in mpg when outfitted with a 3.9 It's probably imperial gallons listed here, which equals 1.20 US gallons In which case a stock bugeye at 50 mph was really 44 mpg US. That sounds about right because I recall my brother mentioning he would get around 43 mpg with his Bugeye back in the 70's while driving from Philadelphia to Penn State. I'll stick to my guns, if you put a 5 speed in a 948 Bugeye you can probably hit 50 mpg US...and with a little luck, sometime this spring I will find out for sure. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 17:40:28 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage References: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> <49B989AA.7060200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <773301EC6B8F4EC891274AC13D2F8E4C@blackbox2> With which axle ratio? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" > A well tuned breathed on 1275/5 speed and cruise control will get you 42 > mpg on the highway. > That's what I was getting to and fro last summer's Missouri trip. From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 12 19:11:03 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:11:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: <49B98957.6090702@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> Not QUITE, Frank !! Getting there however. Tyres (LBC content) !!! You buy my ticket home (and tyres & gas) and I'll deliver!!!! Besides, you ARE over-due to visit to ME, Ron & Peter !!!!! Oh WAIT !!! You have to deliver TWO (2) milk cartons of shox to PPP, so you & The Lady Di 'would' have to drive out here!!! Get PPP to give you an Invoice for (say) $100.00 for shox and you could write the trip OFF as 'business expense" [like I did P'ing/u Camino because I 'called-on' a Big Healey Cust. (Laguna Beach, CA), then Cust. RBH (El Paso, TX) and then Cust. Brad (Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX area) ] !!!!! Just 'cause they ARE friends had NOTHING to do with it !!! LOL POC!! From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Thu Mar 12 18:24:17 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage Message-ID: <200903130124.n2D1OH5q023193@musca.ucdavis.edu> My best truck-drafting leg out of LotO back to CA was 44mpg. With a TURBO!! 5-sp/3.9ratio 1275. (A well tuned homebrew fuel injection system helped more than a bit and shows what is possible.) It also helped power over the Rockies and the Sierra, from sea level, twice each without any re-tuning. The engines have good potential hiding within. The worst leg was 22mpg right after leaving LotO and heading right into a huge windstorm for an entire tankful until I turned west. No truck to hide behind. Glen > > > A well tuned breathed on 1275/5 speed and cruise control will get you 42 > mpg on the highway. > That's what I was getting to and fro last summer's Missouri trip. > > _______________________________________________ > From JMFarley50 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 18:41:31 2009 From: JMFarley50 at aol.com (JMFarley50 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:41:31 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Hub Nut Message-ID: Looks like the rear axle hub nut is a unique size on my bugeye. None of my sockets fit. Looks to be between 1-13/16" and 1-7/8". What have folks used to remove / install them? Also, what should be the torque when installing? Thanks, John **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Thu Mar 12 19:58:37 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:58:37 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Hub Nut References: Message-ID: <015301c9a387$9c34fac0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi John, I use a 1 7/8" wrench on the lock nut. Fits perfectly. Make sure you have the locking washer tab pounded back out of the way so the wrench will fit over the nut. Nuts sorta thin! They are "handed" nuts on some cars so watch that. It isn't always a case of twist left for taking it off! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Hub Nut > Looks like the rear axle hub nut is a unique size on my bugeye. None of my > sockets fit. Looks to be between 1-13/16" and 1-7/8". What have folks used > to remove / install them? > > Also, what should be the torque when installing? > > Thanks, John > **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a > recession. > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0000000 2) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From derf247 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 19:05:48 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:05:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Oh, my stars. Is Paul A Back? Message-ID: <5f00d9910903121905h7fac0540wa6b3189ce0b10991@mail.gmail.com> Paul, is that really you? Glad to finally hear from you. Welcome back. Someone recently had a question about one of your kits. I sincerely hope your are doing well. Cheers, Derf From soavero at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 19:08:22 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: <200903130124.n2D1OH5q023193@musca.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <420237.20559.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stock 948 with 1.25 SUs and 3.90 rear got 50 MPG easy, Louisville to Melbourne FL through the mountains (till GA). Lots of engines now shut off cylinders to get hwy MPG. Otto/Rankine/Carnot/Sterling cycles being what they are, usually smaller is more efficient. My "breathed on" 1275 gets about 8 MPG at best ;). Ron Soave --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Glen Byrns wrote: > From: Glen Byrns > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mileage > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 8:24 PM > My best truck-drafting leg out of LotO back to CA was 44mpg. > With a TURBO!! > 5-sp/3.9ratio 1275. (A well tuned homebrew fuel injection > system helped > more than a bit and shows what is possible.) It also > helped power over the > Rockies and the Sierra, from sea level, twice each without > any re-tuning. > The engines have good potential hiding within. The worst > leg was 22mpg > right after leaving LotO and heading right into a huge > windstorm for an > entire tankful until I turned west. No truck to hide > behind. > > Glen > > > > > > A well tuned breathed on 1275/5 speed and cruise > control will get you 42 > > mpg on the highway. > > That's what I was getting to and fro last > summer's Missouri trip. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From davriker at nwi.net Thu Mar 12 19:24:38 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage References: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> <4E3E8309D76247FCA523022583545283@blackbox2> Message-ID: Yea, but with a nice DCOE Weber and a cam, I get about 20 city/25 hwy, but it goes like stink! David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Hedin" To: "Spridgets" ; "David Lieb" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mileage > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Lieb" > > I disagree. From an economy perspective, and all other things being > equal, > the 948 will beat the 1275. > From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Mar 12 19:33:43 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: <420237.20559.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200903130124.n2D1OH5q023193@musca.ucdavis.edu>, <420237.20559.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B96397.9865.28CDC38@kk7ss.verizon.net> Another heavy breather on the block.... Danger! Will Robinson, Danger! ;)) On 12 Mar 2009 at 19:08, Ron Soave wrote: >> My "breathed on" 1275 gets about 8 MPG at best ;). -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 12 20:48:31 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:48:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HeeHee, David. <> Stop by here and I'll let you try what "goes like stink"!!!! 'Course the mileage is in the 5 -6 mpg range!! From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 20:22:16 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage In-Reply-To: <773301EC6B8F4EC891274AC13D2F8E4C@blackbox2> References: <6D1352328046447590CD4D79927F5F85@rwa> <49B989AA.7060200@comcast.net> <773301EC6B8F4EC891274AC13D2F8E4C@blackbox2> Message-ID: <49B9D168.3070607@comcast.net> Dean Hedin wrote: > With which axle ratio? > > 4.22 >> A well tuned breathed on 1275/5 speed and cruise control will get you >> 42 mpg on the highway. >> That's what I was getting to and fro last summer's Missouri trip. > > From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 20:26:54 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:26:54 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hub Nut In-Reply-To: <015301c9a387$9c34fac0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <015301c9a387$9c34fac0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <49B9D27E.70309@comcast.net> Paul Asgeirsson wrote: > Hi John, > > I use a 1 7/8" wrench on the lock nut. Fits perfectly. Make sure you have > the locking washer tab pounded back out of the way so the wrench will fit > over the nut. Nuts sorta thin! > > They are "handed" nuts on some cars so watch that. It isn't always a case > of twist left for taking it off! > > Paul! Welcome back. Like Paul said, 1-7/8" socket fits but in a pinch a hammer and dull chisel will loosen the nuts. 1 is a left hand thread. From soavero at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 21:33:56 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Hub Nut In-Reply-To: <015301c9a387$9c34fac0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <103276.54853.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Paul Asgeirsson wrote: > Paul A 5 1234 6789 (THAT'S A HIGH 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Welcome back, my friend. Ron From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:41:17 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:41:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Hub Nut In-Reply-To: <103276.54853.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <015301c9a387$9c34fac0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <103276.54853.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903122141v50a6fcc3p436a36c1990f27be@mail.gmail.com> > > On Thu, 3/12/09, Paul Asgeirsson wrote: > > Paul A Seeing your name on the list again is the best thing I've had happen in the past year or so.... Welcome back you crusty old fa*t!! -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 02:35:10 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:35:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] This could be yours In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10903111110y7adbb206yd45b3a2a2cd85cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903062203q3a77c7cqb4b1d53655086192@mail.gmail.com> <2A330A06471E4517B82D8520505332AE@owner7ccec1fe9> <2ad6c6b10903111110y7adbb206yd45b3a2a2cd85cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903130235g39718bdajfc18ae8968ac80be@mail.gmail.com> Cool trunk opening yea. They said it is alloy does this mean it has a different frame structure? Lin On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:10 PM, WFO Herb wrote: > Look at the rear of the car...no Sprite! Looks Big Healey to me. > > Non the less, I'd have it in my garage.... > > Herb > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 03:10:50 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:10:50 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> Derf nice website thanks. It appears all coils test the same? Lin On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:23 AM, derf wrote: > Basic coil testing with VOM: > > > http://www.international-auto.com/afla-romeo-electrical-system/alfa-romeo-how-to-test-an-ignition-coil.cfm > > If you coil is working intermittently, however, it will test good at > least when it is working. > From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 04:51:38 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Heaven is where. . . Message-ID: <17866094.1540211236945098779.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> A nice little truism to post on the garage wall: Heaven is Where: The Police are British, The Chefs are Italian, The Mechanics are German, The Lovers are French and It's all organized by the Swiss. Hell is Where: The Police are German, The Chefs are British, The Mechanics are French, The Lovers are Swiss and It's all organized by the Italians. --David C. From grday at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 05:12:08 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:12:08 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A4AF52D7F44B44914B845AA55BCAE6@dell330> Spridget back on the road? As a check on your electrics, lift the hood, start the engine and then place the car in total darkness. Use the torch handily gripped in your little pinkies (translation - fingers) get back to your vehicle and turn the torch off making sure you don't fall, wobble or throw yourself over the working engine. Look at the coil, distributor and plug leads in total darkness for 10 secs or so. Prepare to be astounded. Lights on again, turn engine off and start the process of removing dirt with a clean dry cloth from everywhere you saw the pretty lights. Clean off every couple of months and if you don't see the need to do it repeat the 'in darkness' test and you'll see the need again. As well as making it look clean the other very odd thing is that it seems to keep electrical problems from happening as often. Have a look at the tyres and throw a pressure gauge on the valves to see if that still works before reminding yourself how good the black round things grip the road in corners. Cracks in the rubber on the sidewalls or in the base of the tread? Blow outs ahead - you betcha! Play hunt the grease nipple (translation - hunt the zerk - but it sounds better in UK english!) and see how much grease you need to fill the gun up afterwards. Award yourself a drink of your choice after completing this. Lots of other things to do, it needs a wash and polish as well. Regards to all, Guy R Day From derf247 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 06:15:22 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:15:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903130615g3843696kf42d947252eafbe7@mail.gmail.com> Yes, very similar. Some are shaped differently but all are similar in function. > > Derf nice website thanks. It appears all coils test the same? > Lin From jlaird237 at cox.net Fri Mar 13 06:33:03 2009 From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Mileage References: <420237.20559.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In 1976 my preaty much stock 948 got 49 MPG from Atlanta, GA to Iowa. Surely had my attention. Now this was fast, for the time, highway driveing. 60-65 as much as I could. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mileage > > Stock 948 with 1.25 SUs and 3.90 rear got 50 MPG easy, Louisville to > Melbourne FL through the mountains (till GA). Lots of engines now shut off > cylinders to get hwy MPG. Otto/Rankine/Carnot/Sterling cycles being what > they are, usually smaller is more efficient. > > My "breathed on" 1275 gets about 8 MPG at best ;). > > Ron Soave > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Glen Byrns wrote: > >> From: Glen Byrns >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mileage >> To: spridgets at autox.team.net >> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 8:24 PM >> My best truck-drafting leg out of LotO back to CA was 44mpg. >> With a TURBO!! >> 5-sp/3.9ratio 1275. (A well tuned homebrew fuel injection >> system helped >> more than a bit and shows what is possible.) It also >> helped power over the >> Rockies and the Sierra, from sea level, twice each without >> any re-tuning. >> The engines have good potential hiding within. The worst >> leg was 22mpg >> right after leaving LotO and heading right into a huge >> windstorm for an >> entire tankful until I turned west. No truck to hide >> behind. >> >> Glen >> >> > > >> > A well tuned breathed on 1275/5 speed and cruise >> control will get you 42 >> > mpg on the highway. >> > That's what I was getting to and fro last >> summer's Missouri trip. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jlaird237 at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 3/11/2009 8:28 AM From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 06:53:50 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:53:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903130615g3843696kf42d947252eafbe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903130615g3843696kf42d947252eafbe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903130653w44f23f42wb0fd5a8af387bb30@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM, derf wrote: > Yes, very similar. Some are shaped differently but all are similar in > function. > > > > Derf nice website thanks. It appears all coils test the same? > > Lin > You don't mean the same Ohms do you? I'm pretty sure they will differ in ideal ohms values based upon the amount of winding... Also some have contained ballast resistors and some do not.... The procedure may be the same but the values are different depending upon the coil application... -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 07:02:22 2009 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:02:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Internet Vote for a Friend In-Reply-To: <2B433E4BF8564FDFB927165F855CC827@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <2B433E4BF8564FDFB927165F855CC827@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM, David Lieb wrote: > http://modernmom.com/main/polls_video/2/10 >> >> Huh? The video appeared to be BY Toni Bezdek ABOUT Bryce Bezdek... >> Who is Tony Bryce? >> > The request for votes came through my F.O.P. and the link took me there. I only watched a short bit of it because I was already familar with the incident in which he was critically injured... He is Sgt. Bryce Bezdek from the Cincinnati PD. The video is the one on the bottom right of the page. It is the one from Toni B in Cincinnati. Sorry for the confusion! I just passed it along without looking hard enough at the info in front of me. Thanks to all who take the time to vote! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 07:54:07 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Drum Specs Message-ID: I am wanting to get the rear drums on the 68 turned true. They are not messed up, but I think they are out of round, because when I set the E brake, it won't stay set long. I have new shoes, White Post rebuilt wheel cylinders, and I want to get the drums correct as well. My problem is, the local yokels don't have the specs to turn them to. Anyone out there know? Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From peter at nosimport.com Fri Mar 13 07:59:10 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Drum Specs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903130659526.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> 179.00 mm is max. Peter C == At 09:54 AM 3/13/2009, Brad Fornal wrote: >I am wanting to get the rear drums on the 68 turned true. They are not >messed up, but I think they are out of round, because when I set the E >brake, it won't stay set long. I have new shoes, White Post rebuilt wheel >cylinders, and I want to get the drums correct as well. >My problem is, the local yokels don't have the specs to turn them to. Anyone >out there know? > >Brad From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 08:03:42 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Drum Specs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402188520903130803te2cd962v5b1e1ed8e5efb6bd@mail.gmail.com> > I am wanting to get the rear drums on the 68 turned true. They are not > messed up, but I think they are out of round, because when I set the E > brake, it won't stay set long. The only spec I am aware of is that which is cast into the drums indicating that the Max inside diameter is 7 1/8" or 7 1/4" (I forget which). Unfortunately, this will NOT help your problem at all. The best I can figure out, is that the new shoes now use new blanks and the pattern for the new blanks was taken from a worn set. Atr any rate, you can have all new components in there from the cylinder to the drum and you still have to adjust it to the end of the adjuster's travel to get them set right. The moment it starts to wear, you are SOL. I have been told by some Brits who claim to have tried it that you can use front brake shoes from some form of Mini with good results other than the shoe being a little wider (which does not seem to bother anything). Another approach I have heard is that you can run a MIG bead along the edge of the shoe where it meets the adjuster and then grind the edges down to fit. David Lieb From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 08:22:01 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:22:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Drum Specs In-Reply-To: <402188520903130820l69c960b2w3256644803854ad6@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903130659526.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <402188520903130820l69c960b2w3256644803854ad6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903130822m9072f36i50dccca8b0d0ab88@mail.gmail.com> >> 179.00 mm is max. YES! Definitely NOT what that joker Lieb said. Dunno what HE was thinking ED From mdrowe at optonline.net Fri Mar 13 08:22:05 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903130653w44f23f42wb0fd5a8af387bb30@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903130615g3843696kf42d947252eafbe7@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903130653w44f23f42wb0fd5a8af387bb30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The Petronix Electronic Ignition specifically wants a 3.0 Ohm coil. Test before changing. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite next week Long Island, NY From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 13 08:32:37 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:32:37 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You gonna trust someone who can't spell 'alfa' the same way twice? :) > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:10:50 -0400 > From: grunthaner at gmail.com > > Derf nice website thanks. It appears all coils test the same? > Lin > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:23 AM, derf wrote: > > > Basic coil testing with VOM: > > > > > > http://www.international-auto.com/afla-romeo-electrical-system/alfa-romeo-how-to-test-an-ignition-coil.cfm > > > > If you coil is working intermittently, however, it will test good at > > least when it is working. From millerls at ado13.com Fri Mar 13 08:45:02 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:45:02 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Drum Specs References: <402188520903130803te2cd962v5b1e1ed8e5efb6bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I run 2 MIG beads on the back of the adjuster and then grind to fit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> To: "Brad Fornal" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brake Drum Specs >> I am wanting to get the rear drums on the 68 turned true. They are not >> messed up, but I think they are out of round, because when I set the E >> brake, it won't stay set long. > > The only spec I am aware of is that which is cast into the drums > indicating that the Max inside diameter is 7 1/8" or 7 1/4" (I forget > which). > > Unfortunately, this will NOT help your problem at all. The best I can > figure out, is that the new shoes now use new blanks and the pattern > for the new blanks was taken from a worn set. Atr any rate, you can > have all new components in there from the cylinder to the drum and you > still have to adjust it to the end of the adjuster's travel to get > them set right. The moment it starts to wear, you are SOL. I have been > told by some Brits who claim to have tried it that you can use front > brake shoes from some form of Mini with good results other than the > shoe being a little wider (which does not seem to bother anything). > Another approach I have heard is that you can run a MIG bead along the > edge of the shoe where it meets the adjuster and then grind the edges > down to fit. > From cclabaw at juno.com Fri Mar 13 09:32:11 2009 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:32:11 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users Message-ID: <20090313.093211.27277.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Guy - Great advice! After you clean things, a thin coat of dielectric grease will keep them working longer. Clay L. '67 Sprite ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "GUY DAY" To: "Spridget List" Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:12:08 -0000 Spridget back on the road? As a check on your electrics, lift the hood, start the engine and then place the car in total darkness. Use the torch handily gripped in your little pinkies (translation - fingers) get back to your vehicle and turn the torch off making sure you don't fall, wobble or throw yourself over the working engine. Look at the coil, distributor and plug leads in total darkness for 10 secs or so. Prepare to be astounded. Lights on again, turn engine off and start the process of removing dirt with a clean dry cloth from everywhere you saw the pretty lights. Clean off every couple of months and if you don't see the need to do it repeat the 'in darkness' test and you'll see the need again. As well as making it look clean the other very odd thing is that it seems to keep electrical problems from happening as often. Have a look at the tyres and throw a pressure gauge on the valves to see if that still works before reminding yourself how good the black round things grip the road in corners. Cracks in the rubber on the sidewalls or in the base of the tread? Blow outs ahead - you betcha! Play hunt the grease nipple (translation - hunt the zerk - but it sounds better in UK english!) and see how much grease you need to fill the gun up afterwards. Award yourself a drink of your choice after completing this. Lots of other things to do, it needs a wash and polish as well. Regards to all, Guy R Day _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmTjeGfUEQMk1fuhdvbZXKodgvt3uKwdo7ojBFeXF9Ra8FAwMUY/ From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 13 09:51:32 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:51:32 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] $3500 for your car Message-ID: If you trade it in on a new car. Not a law yet, but it looks like it's coming. ( Ontario Canada ) Premier Dalton McGuinty said earlier this week the government is considering a so-called scrappage program in the budget to encourage people to buy new cars. The program, proposed by Ford Canada CEO David Mondragon, would give consumers a $3,500 rebate or credit for trading in a vehicle that's at least 11 years old for a new one. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/03/13/auto-pst-cut.html From haynes386 at netzero.net Fri Mar 13 09:55:06 2009 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:55:06 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Lower A-arm bushings Message-ID: <20090313.105506.1421.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> I bought a set of Poly lower A-Arm bushings for the MKII to replace the ones that I put on the BE from Mo$$. Seemed like a good deeal- set of 4 for $6.50 a set. One problem- They're trunnion bushes for a B(MG, that is)! The cat# is the same, but they aren't what I need. They're going back, but I'd like to get a set that will do the job at a reasonable price ($6 ea is too much for 8 bushings! OK I'm Scottish, so kill me). Anyone have any suppliers handy? Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Discover how much can a college degree can change your life. Act now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXkamP9gN0FgtWH9DIyDkthPqnBAxwd1wsWsRxUWCuvPxdul3RY7O/ From mdrowe at optonline.net Fri Mar 13 09:58:55 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:58:55 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Bottled plasticizer Message-ID: <6F00E2990B6C4FC49D84502ECFAAD0F0@Home> A random thought: As I understand, vinyl windows get stiff and crack with age because the plasticizers leach out. I have bottled solutions that help reduce damage from UV exposure to my plastic and rubber equipment (kayaks, wet suits, etc.). Are there also bottled plasticizers that might help? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite in contract Long Island, NY From peter at nosimport.com Fri Mar 13 10:13:58 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Lower A-arm bushings In-Reply-To: <20090313.105506.1421.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20090313.105506.1421.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <200903130913801.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Mark, Actually, MGB upper trunion bushings ARE the same part number as Spridget inner A-frame bushings. Now, if they don't fit, that's another issue. Peter C. ==== At 11:55 AM 3/13/2009, Mark Haynes wrote: >I bought a set of Poly lower A-Arm bushings for the MKII to replace >the ones that I put on the BE from Mo$$. Seemed like a good deeal- >set of 4 for $6.50 a set. One problem- They're trunnion bushes for a >B(MG, that is)! The cat# is the same, but they aren't what I need. >They're going back, but I'd like to get a set that will do the job >at a reasonable price ($6 ea is too much for 8 bushings! OK I'm >Scottish, so kill me). Anyone have any suppliers handy? > > >Mark Haynes >HAN6L12779 >HAN5L8016 From bighealey at charter.net Fri Mar 13 12:14:20 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:14:20 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] $3500 for your car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now I know what to do with that pesky Aston Martin DB4 taking up the extra room on the property. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:52 AM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] $3500 for your car If you trade it in on a new car. Not a law yet, but it looks like it's coming. ( Ontario Canada ) Premier Dalton McGuinty said earlier this week the government is considering a so-called scrappage program in the budget to encourage people to buy new cars. The program, proposed by Ford Canada CEO David Mondragon, would give consumers a $3,500 rebate or credit for trading in a vehicle that's at least 11 years old for a new one. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/03/13/auto-pst-cut.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From nory1 at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 13 12:19:38 2009 From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (nory1 at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:19:38 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] $3500 for your car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090313191938.J8B87.384380.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Not a bad idea for my '94 Ranger tho! ---- Tracy Drummond wrote: > Now I know what to do with that pesky Aston Martin DB4 taking up the extra > room on the property. > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > President AHCUSA www.healey.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > robertduquette at sympatico.ca > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:52 AM > To: Spridgets > Subject: [Spridgets] $3500 for your car > > > > If you trade it in on a new car. Not a law yet, but it looks like it's > coming. > > ( Ontario Canada ) Premier Dalton McGuinty said earlier this week the > government is considering a so-called scrappage program in the budget to > encourage people to buy new cars. > > The program, proposed by Ford Canada CEO David Mondragon, would give > consumers a $3,500 rebate or credit for trading in a vehicle that's at least > 11 years old for a new one. > > > http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/03/13/auto-pst-cut.html > > From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 12:22:26 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:22:26 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users In-Reply-To: <44A4AF52D7F44B44914B845AA55BCAE6@dell330> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> <44A4AF52D7F44B44914B845AA55BCAE6@dell330> Message-ID: <49BAB272.20101@comcast.net> GUY DAY wrote: > Spridget back on the road? > > Just to add what Guy said about getting your Spridget ready for the road, over in the US, use a flashlight, not a torch ;) And check the dates on the rubber brake hoses, 10 years old is too old! Also check the nut and bolt where the steering column attaches to the steering rack. If that nut loosens, the bolt drops down to jam the steering against the frame. Not fun. From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 12:27:52 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:27:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Bottled plasticizer In-Reply-To: <6F00E2990B6C4FC49D84502ECFAAD0F0@Home> References: <6F00E2990B6C4FC49D84502ECFAAD0F0@Home> Message-ID: <49BAB3B8.9040800@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: > A random thought: > As I understand, vinyl windows get stiff and crack with age because the plasticizers leach out. Only Home Cheapo windows. From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 15:01:16 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] New Bug Eye Bumper on eBay Message-ID: <37dc82d40903131501w4635dfd0j436aa457bc80a7b3@mail.gmail.com> List, I have a new front bumper listed on eBay. Item 200320026012. If someone from the list buys it, I will refund 15% back. It is up on a three day weekend auction for $158.0 "Buy it Now." I only take Paypal (as I guess I like to get ripped off with their fees, but I need to generate some funds fairly soon for something that I need to buy). I am also listing the over riders as well as the assembly which mounts everything under another auction. Go to "See Sellers Other Items" for the over riders, etc. Same thing applies, 15% back to a list member. I was not sure regarding how to price it. They sell from Moss Motors for $449.0. Kirk 59 BE From grday at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 16:12:35 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:12:35 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users References: <20090313.093211.27277.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Clay, Personally I'm not into the grease on external parts because grease collects dirt, dirt collects moisture, moisture collects trouble, trouble collects me. Usually many hours from home. Squeaky clean and dry is my motto. Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users Guy - Great advice! After you clean things, a thin coat of dielectric grease will keep them working longer. Clay L. '67 Sprite ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "GUY DAY" To: "Spridget List" Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:12:08 -0000 Spridget back on the road? As a check on your electrics, lift the hood, start the engine and then place the car in total darkness. Use the torch handily gripped in your little pinkies (translation - fingers) get back to your vehicle and turn the torch off making sure you don't fall, wobble or throw yourself over the working engine. Look at the coil, distributor and plug leads in total darkness for 10 secs or so. Prepare to be astounded. Lights on again, turn engine off and start the process of removing dirt with a clean dry cloth from everywhere you saw the pretty lights. Clean off every couple of months and if you don't see the need to do it repeat the 'in darkness' test and you'll see the need again. As well as making it look clean the other very odd thing is that it seems to keep electrical problems from happening as often. Have a look at the tyres and throw a pressure gauge on the valves to see if that still works before reminding yourself how good the black round things grip the road in corners. Cracks in the rubber on the sidewalls or in the base of the tread? Blow outs ahead - you betcha! Play hunt the grease nipple (translation - hunt the zerk - but it sounds better in UK english!) and see how much grease you need to fill the gun up afterwards. Award yourself a drink of your choice after completing this. Lots of other things to do, it needs a wash and polish as well. Regards to all, Guy R Day _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmTjcUGKL48Bl9r79yOq1U3JykK97Vzg1z7j9ftpWa79tw7OmJ6/ From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 13 21:38:31 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:38:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users In-Reply-To: <49BAB272.20101@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> Fer SURE !!! Same thing applies to dates on TIRES !!! 5 years is too old !!! While being able to STOP is important, NOT having a blowout at anything more than .5 mph is REALLY NOT 'fun' !!!! From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 20:39:52 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:39:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A basic check for all Spridget users References: Message-ID: > While being able to STOP is important, NOT having > a blowout at anything more than .5 mph is REALLY > NOT 'fun' !!!! I dunno bout dat. I, for one. have always enjoyed not having blowouts... From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 20:43:11 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Plausable deniabilty part 1 Message-ID: <72846.95637.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tried to send this last week, but it was too big... ? Well, once again I screwed up.? Wife's been out of town for a few days celebrating a significant (multiple of 10) B-day with her best friend.?Meanwhile back at the ranch, I took a few days off so I could get Kyle to?school and be here when he returns.? It was cold out in the garage, but I needed to paint the newly fabbed / drilled /?fitted?/?etc. steel backing plates for the new rollbar... There's a perfectly good warm bathroom that we never use down in the basement with a sturdy metal towel rack just perfect for hanging the bits to dry from after shooting. Sounds like a perect place... ? I laid out an old towel for a drop cloth and went to town.? First coat a few days ago, second coat last night (gotta go to JFK to pick her up this afternoon so plenty of time for the smell to fade, right?)? Everything's great, parts look really nice for something that's just going to be hanging around under the car.? ? continued in part 2.? From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 20:46:44 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Plausable deniability part 2 Message-ID: <345542.53555.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> part 2 ? A little while ago I went to?pick up the towel and take the parts out to the garage so's not to leave evidence.??Is it a trick of the eye when I pick up the towel (and?also when I?moved the old mop that lives in the corner nearby) that there seems to be a negative?image of everything on the white floor?? Oh crap!? Black overspray has put nice shadows of the towel placement, an old bath mat, the mop, etc. onto the floor.? Busted! ? Luckily, I have a handy Ace hardware nearby.? Quick trip an hour ago to ask for advice.? A few new shop rags from the garage (I'd hate to get grease on it too),?a?quarter of the new can of paint thinner, and twenty minutes of vigorous elbow grease?later and there's no trace.? Well, the lighting's kinda poor down there anyway, so I can probably plead ignorance.? Now if the paint thinner smell will just fade away before we get back from the airport. ? Sometimes I wonder what I'm thinking - or more appropriately not thinking.? It was only a little while ago I had a similar experience while dying the seats in the basement.? At least that was over where the floor is painted concrete and lighting is particularly poor.? Wish me luck! ? David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 20:53:56 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Plausable deniability part last Message-ID: <690601.12043.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wrote that Monday afternoon, but it was too big to go throught the system all at once.? It has now been four days and nothing was said about the paint thinner smell, so I mist have gotten away with it..... right?? ? By the way - Thanks again Frank for the scrap steel and use of your sawzall to rough cut the backing plates.? ? David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From pelliott at innercite.com Fri Mar 13 21:05:02 2009 From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:05:02 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Plausable deniability part last In-Reply-To: <690601.12043.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <690601.12043.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <024f01c9a45a$0d72a980$2857fc80$@com> David, david, david...... It's guys like you who continue the emasculation of the human male. The correct response should have been to tell your wife after she took a cab from the Airport, "hey when you're done with my dinner, I got some over spray on the floor in the bathroom, there's some rags and thinner in the garage, try not to get any on you..." next thing you know, you'll be breast feeding a kitten or something.... -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Booker Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:54 PM To: spridget Subject: [Spridgets] Plausable deniability part last I wrote that Monday afternoon, but it was too big to go throught the system all at once.? It has now been four days and nothing was said about the paint thinner smell, so I mist have gotten away with it..... right?? ? By the way - Thanks again Frank for the scrap steel and use of your sawzall to rough cut the backing plates.? ? David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 13 22:23:19 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:23:19 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Plausable deniability part 2 References: <345542.53555.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c9a464$fdbd5b60$f675fea9@p0k7l8> I'll wish you good luck. Any particular department? Paul A LOL! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Booker" To: "spridget" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Plausable deniability part 2 part 2 A little while ago I went to pick up the towel and take the parts out to the garage so's not to leave evidence. Is it a trick of the eye when I pick up the towel (and also when I moved the old mop that lives in the corner nearby) that there seems to be a negative image of everything on the white floor? Oh crap! Black overspray has put nice shadows of the towel placement, an old bath mat, the mop, etc. onto the floor. Busted! Luckily, I have a handy Ace hardware nearby. Quick trip an hour ago to ask for advice. A few new shop rags from the garage (I'd hate to get grease on it too), a quarter of the new can of paint thinner, and twenty minutes of vigorous elbow grease later and there's no trace. Well, the lighting's kinda poor down there anyway, so I can probably plead ignorance. Now if the paint thinner smell will just fade away before we get back from the airport. Sometimes I wonder what I'm thinking - or more appropriately not thinking. It was only a little while ago I had a similar experience while dying the seats in the basement. At least that was over where the floor is painted concrete and lighting is particularly poor. Wish me luck! David Booker '71 Midget Long Island _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 03:28:13 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:28:13 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903140328v6d53c22ud6855d3f4d9da804@mail.gmail.com> I sent a message to the Bosch company and asked for the model number for a 1275 Sprite motor I'll let you all know soon. Mike that is a 3.0 ohm on any coil? PS have you seen the no reserve Bugeyes on eBay? Lin On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:32 AM, wrote: > > You gonna trust someone who can't spell 'alfa' the same way twice? :) > > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:10:50 -0400 > > From: grunthaner at gmail.com > > > > Derf nice website thanks. It appears all coils test the same? > > Lin > > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:23 AM, derf wrote: > > > > > Basic coil testing with VOM: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.international-auto.com/afla-romeo-electrical-system/alfa-romeo-how-to-test-an-ignition-coil.cfm > > > > > > If you coil is working intermittently, however, it will test good at > > > least when it is working. > From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 03:29:38 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Oh, my stars. Is Paul A Back? In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903121905h7fac0540wa6b3189ce0b10991@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9910903121905h7fac0540wa6b3189ce0b10991@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903140329w555906c9q7fbfe2479b33d9f6@mail.gmail.com> Has Paul been ill. If so get well soon : ) Lin On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM, derf wrote: > Paul, is that really you? Glad to finally hear from you. > Welcome back. > Someone recently had a question about one of your kits. > I sincerely hope your are doing well. > Cheers, > Derf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 06:02:17 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay.de help wanted Message-ID: Anyone on the list in Germany? -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sat Mar 14 09:47:13 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:47:13 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay.de help wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What can I do for you? Eric Heinsberg/Germany http://brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Fornal Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:02 PM To: Spridget list; Yahoo Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay.de help wanted Anyone on the list in Germany? -- DON JULIO 1942 From stargazer1 at cox.net Sat Mar 14 11:16:18 2009 From: stargazer1 at cox.net (stargazer1 at cox.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:16:18 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting Spridget Project in San Diego In-Reply-To: <205cef430903140329w555906c9q7fbfe2479b33d9f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090314141618.N33OL.130121.imail@fed1rmwml39> Not my cup of tea, but someone might have an interest. NFI yada yada yada .... >From Craigslist: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/1069507169.html 1968 AH Sprite with a new/never assembled ARKLEY SS body kit, "no drivetrain." THIS IS AN UNFINISHED PROJECT, the body kit has never been attached to the car. The Sprite is "rust free" with no body damage & has a current California "NON-OP" registration & title. Other than the stock 1275 engine and transmission some builder choose the Datsun 210 with the 5 speed transmission. Or, whatever your skills and imagination can come up with. A complete car with drivetrain weights just over 1500 lbs. Arkley's are rare and have been produced since 1970 and originated in England and unlike many kit cars, the Arkley has a history. The car has been featured in many major magazines. Check the web for more information. Car and kit, $2600.00 OR TRADE. (760) 505-1000. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sat Mar 14 11:35:07 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting Spridget Project in San Diego In-Reply-To: <20090314141618.N33OL.130121.imail@fed1rmwml39> Message-ID: I don't see the words Butt Ugly in your description. Was that an intentional omission? From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 12:41:27 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:41:27 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. Message-ID: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net> I've got a high idle on my 1275..- about 1700 rpm !! Checked timing at 7bdc, idle screws backed all the way out, choke backed off, jets turned down quite a bit... Nothing mechanical seems to make a difference... Suggestions?? Polite ones, of course ;-)) -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Mar 14 12:46:05 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:46:05 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] The island - what was the classic car - not really LBC Message-ID: Hi list, Just watched the filme 'The Island' with Ewan McGregor. His character has flashbacks to him just getting in/out of a classic car, most likely a classic racing saloon. It appears a bit Cobra-ish except the wing has tall vertical vents. Probably a real car rather than a CGI car was used for this. So anyone know what car it was? Weslake-Monza 1330 From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 12:55:14 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Interesting Spridget Project in San Diego In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41913.44216.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I never really cared fo the Arkley kits. I guess some people like them because they've been making them for a log time. It just somehow doesn't fit wih the rest of the car in my mind. On the other hand, I don't think it gets much better than a Series 3 Lotus Seven when it comes to looks, so what do I know? David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 13:18:15 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. In-Reply-To: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: With the engine off, grab the carbs, and try to raise them up, or push them down. See if they move, I once had a set that had loosened up, that caused idling issues. I didn't realize what the issue was, until, in frustration, I put my hands on the carbs and leaned. They sagged... Tighten the intake, and the problem went away. Brad On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Dave G. wrote: > I've got a high idle on my 1275..- about 1700 rpm !! > Checked timing at 7bdc, idle screws backed all the way out, choke > backed off, jets turned down quite a bit... > Nothing mechanical seems to make a difference... > > Suggestions?? Polite ones, of course ;-)) > > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > > If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still > alive !! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From mdrowe at optonline.net Sat Mar 14 13:25:32 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Robins top Message-ID: I am selling a Robins top with all hardware and clear windows for a '67-'69, 8-stud Spridget. It does not fit my '74. Anyone interested? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite in contract Long Island, NY From thcollin at mtu.edu Sat Mar 14 14:42:32 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:42:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tuning SU Carbs Message-ID: <7ll0se$60qg5h@email.mtu.edu> My reference book: "Tuning S.U. Carburetters, 3rd ed. Speedsport. pg. 62 Spring-loaded Jet Needles From the book. . . The shoulder of the needle (3) abuts a protusion (sic) formed on the face of the needle guide (5), so that when held in place by spring (4) the needle adopts a biased position (7) in the fuel jet orifice. The direction of the bias is either to the inlet, or the outlet side of the carburetter as indicated by etched location marks on needle guide and piston. _________________ I find the etched line on the needle guide. The needle guide is the part that the set screw in the piston clamps against to hold the needle in place. I don't find a corresponding etched line anywhere else, but I'm not sure where to look. Where on the piston is the alignment mark? Does all this matter much? On spring needle carbs, the needle is biased (rubs on the side of the) the JET and is not centered as with a fixed needle. http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From wbmcleod at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 14:54:03 2009 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (Bill McLeod) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:54:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Special Tuning Manual on ebay Message-ID: <49BC277B.7090501@gmail.com> From thcollin at mtu.edu Sat Mar 14 15:18:25 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:18:25 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tuning SU Carbs Message-ID: <7ll0se$60qj2u@email.mtu.edu> Found them! I got out my best magnifying glass, took my glasses off, did my best squint and found the marks on the piston. Next step - align the marks. Are your spring needles aligned? At 05:42 PM 3/14/2009, you wrote: >My reference book: "Tuning S.U. Carburetters, 3rd ed. Speedsport. > >pg. 62 Spring-loaded Jet Needles Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu Sat Mar 14 16:11:48 2009 From: mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu (Mark A. O'Neil) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:11:48 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Nice... Message-ID: <9A297F2F-1A5B-4BC1-A4E4-B1CC0A74A536@dartmouth.edu> So last weekend I dug the midget out from the last of the snow surround and today, perhaps a bit late at it all, I gave it a quick go over and topped off a tire that was low - cranked a few and it started right up. Let 'er idle while I took the top down and off we went - drove like a dream or maybe I was just so damned happy it started I didn't notice anything odd. Maybe later for now just happy. 47 degrees is a bit nippy but not bad. Not as cold as my motocycle @ 35 - coldest day riding yet. Ordered a new top a late model will add the extra tenax bits - today the carpet was wet where water was let in definitely through the tears there now - hopefully a new top will slow that. Onward into Spring! -m From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 16:30:09 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:30:09 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. In-Reply-To: <002501c9a4fd$a8bb5420$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <002501c9a4fd$a8bb5420$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <49BBDB91.2520.1D4ABA3@kk7ss.verizon.net> Thanks to all for the suggestions... The temp tonight will only fall to 32*F so tomorrow I'll start chasing down all your pointers as the temp is supposed to get up to ~50*F... It so much nicer when the wrenches don't stick to your fingers ;-\ -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:57:33 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:57:33 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] how to use an ohm meter to test an ignition coil? In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903130653w44f23f42wb0fd5a8af387bb30@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903110326j32f0da24n2fb6d941c55b6b01@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110715x36539746ub48a86129862783c@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903110723x33c7b911l7c13442440fa26ba@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903130310y51a5958ck9a90a7e9bcb45550@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903130615g3843696kf42d947252eafbe7@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903130653w44f23f42wb0fd5a8af387bb30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903141657k3fedeeb8oced8a3eb899fb261@mail.gmail.com> Update, I'm ordering a new Bosch blue coil and condenser because the primary test was 2.9 ohms and the secondary was 8K ohms. Has anyone converted to electronic ignition? Maybe I should do that. Any thoughts? Lin On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Jim Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM, derf wrote: > >> Yes, very similar. Some are shaped differently but all are similar in >> function. >> > >> > Derf nice website thanks. It appears all coils test the same? >> > Lin >> > > You don't mean the same Ohms do you? I'm pretty sure they will differ in > ideal ohms values based upon the amount of winding... Also some have > contained ballast resistors and some do not.... The procedure may be the > same but the values are different depending upon the coil application... > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough > to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 17:22:26 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: <37dc82d40903141722u2935b600vd8fe5836e36d624c@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if any of you have found this video. . impressive display for those of us who may have not seen it. ` Scroll down to the You Tube Video showing the results of the above three systems and their regularity. Very interesting demonstration using a small testing platform which looks a bit like a record turntable for the harmonic balancer. It appears that the 123 system grants a more steady spark? I didn't see much difference between the Pertronix vice the points. http://brits-n-pieces.com/shop/index.php/cat/c5987_Competition-parts--accessories.html/XTCsid/eb41ddb32e084dcb2a542f69a0782434 Kirk 59 BE From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 17:28:32 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. Message-ID: <2FBA9C25-984F-435B-BCBA-76B00E3632C6@comcast.net> Evening all, so I have started the replacement of the rear bearings and have run into several "concerns" to whit: 1. The hub nuts are beat to caca but come off just fine with a chisel, better to have some new ones yes? 2. No and I mean NO oil came out of the housing when I removed the axle. This is bad yes? 3. I notice play when spinning the wheel by about 1/8", I turn the wheel that far before it "catches" and the wheel on the other side starts to spin. Is this normal? Should I drop the rear axle and torque the pinion nut? 4. The new bearings have play in them side to side until I put the axle back in, is this normal? 5. The "O" ring on the hub is covered by the paper gasket, this doesn't make sense, should the paper be cut back so that the "O" ring is in the groove on one side and hitting the metal on the other side? 6. There are several markings cast into the axle, how do I tell if I have the "good" ones? Sorry to ask all the questions but all of my work has been on front wheel drive cars so this is all new to me. Thanks as always, Lester .. NB SAAB transmission seal drivers are the perfect size for the inner seal and bearing for the rear axle of the Bugeye. From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Sat Mar 14 17:51:51 2009 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. Message-ID: <265155.81180.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 15/3/09, Lester wrote: 6. There are several markings cast into the axle, how do I tell if I have the "good" ones? G'day Lester, I believe the markings: BTA 806 EN 17 denote the halfshafts of choice, from later model midgets, they have a groove machined perpendicular to the spline about 1/2" from the end. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. BTW my axle has as much play as you describe, and i have wondered the same thing.. And bugger-all oil, since the pinion seal leaks and the oil fill plug in the diff will not budge. The only way i can oil it is to jack up one side, remove a halfshaft, and pour oil in. Andy Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From stevenm at optonline.net Sat Mar 14 18:15:59 2009 From: stevenm at optonline.net (Steven Michelsen) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:15:59 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Special Tuning Manual on ebay References: <49BC277B.7090501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <853FF1E2E3F64692A582285428392FC2@1705n3> This is apparently an earlier (and nicer looking) version of a manual that can be downloaded from my site at http://www.1978mgmidget.com/Special_Tuning_for_948.pdf Though the basic info is online, there is however no substitute for that "old manual smell". I recommend that someone buy it, scan it and email it to me - and I will post it next to the others at http://www.1978mgmidget.com/manuals_and_booklets.html ! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McLeod" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Special Tuning Manual on ebay From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 18:23:07 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:23:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. References: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <9F0774DC021F49E1AE92967AFFF31F94@blackbox2> There is a vacuum leak somewhere.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G." To: Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:41 PM Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. > I've got a high idle on my 1275..- about 1700 rpm !! > Checked timing at 7bdc, idle screws backed all the way out, choke > backed off, jets turned down quite a bit... > Nothing mechanical seems to make a difference... > > Suggestions?? Polite ones, of course ;-)) From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 19:22:24 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:22:24 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress Message-ID: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> Working on my daughter's Bugeye, the Lady Bug. I hope to paint it next weekend. I had to cut a rear clip in half right in the middle of the wheel wells and make one rear clip out of 2. And you read my post on missing, I mean rusted away lower bonnet parts. I figured all that out and I have fit the bonnet and made all necessary tweaks.Just a bit more sanding and priming to go. It's also de-seamed front and back. http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/ From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 19:41:01 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] The island - what was the classic car - not really LBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <378974.23165.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: "So anyone know what car it was?" Is it worth renting? If so, I'll have a try at identifying it. David Booker From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 20:18:46 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:18:46 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: <37dc82d40903141722u2935b600vd8fe5836e36d624c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Your link did'nt work, But I found the video under the Austin Healey catagory of the web catalog. I don't know, the Pertronix looks a little more stable than the points to me. But the guy is trying to sell a distributor, so go figure. I think it might be the fact that the pertronix unit's small replacement "rotor" is a little less precise due to it's small diameter. This guys distributor probably has a pickup assembly with a larger diameter. Also if he was testing the points and Pertronix on an old distributor with a worn shaft then that would explain why they both scattered. I definitely notice an improvement with the Pertronix. Especially on the highway. The engine seems to hum along and never miss a beat. Besides, who wants to mess with points anyway? I just hope that the unit holds up over time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" > Very interesting demonstration using a small testing platform which looks a > bit like a record turntable for the harmonic balancer. It appears that the > 123 system grants a more steady spark? I didn't see much difference between > the Pertronix vice the points. From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Mar 14 20:28:42 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:28:42 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: <37dc82d40903141722u2935b600vd8fe5836e36d624c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <702109999.20090314202842@pacifier.com> Hello Dean, I HAD a pertronix. Installed it myself. easy simple, no brainer. But i didn't ty-wrap the leads away from the rotor. eventually the wires wore thru, and the unit failed. The electronics were still good, but I was left with a $200+ tow job getting the car back home. I changed over to the CRANE unit. A pain in the ass to set up, but once done, it's DONE. But I still carry a spare dizzy set up with points already gapped ---just in case. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" "I've been listening to the Brandenberg Concertos," Tom barked. From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 14 21:38:17 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:38:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Petronix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> And I hope you have all the stuff REQUIRED to RETURN your dizzy to those K.I.S.S. Rules when the Petronix DIES, Dean. 'Cause when it DOES, yer 'dead in the water' (especially if it's raining) !!! LOL Oh BTW, I felt bad that I only got just SHY of 89K miles on my last set of points!!! BUT, that DOES equate to a LOT of FREE brews 'cause points are WAY cheaper then Petronix (even if I do get at a REALLY good price compared to what YOU paid!! From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 14 21:56:22 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:56:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <702109999.20090314202842@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Da*n, Bill !!! <> Just the $200 EQUALS 40.40404040404040404040404040404 sets of points !!! My Crane Cat is NOT handy but the Mallory unit is $599.95 which is 121.20202020202020202020202020202 sets !!! You folks are NUTS !!!! LOL Practically ALL the cars in my LIFE have been of the points usage variety, I am pretty sure I have NOT purchased/ installed 165 of the !!!!!!!! Now since your TIME doesn't count because it's a HOBBY (and your CAR(s) IS UNDER-insured) you have STILL wasted a LOT of money - IMHO!!!! Me From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 21:32:10 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Petronix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: Message-ID: <85D10621C0F141C1926D33E2AE6830A1@blackbox2> I have faith in the solid state... If my Pertronix fails, I'll scrounge up a Hall effect transistor and a Power MOSFET, and then I'll solder up a solution. When I do do such things, I can assure you it will be overdesigned. But I don't think that is going to happen. If you like your points then that is just fine. Just keep in mind that they have not put points on a production car for nearly 30 years or so, and for good reasons. Speaking of the solid state. I came up with a pretty neat solid state flasher replacement for my Bugeye. It is self terminating after about 20 seconds of flashing (you can make it longer if you want). I am always forgeting to cancel the turnsignals on the Bugeye. The circuit is small enough to fit inside of a standard flasher housing although I made a new housing out of a piece of aluminum tubing. I'll see if I can post a link to the schematic and picture of it. If you can't wait email me off list and I email you the pdf. The reason I made it was I am planning to convert to LED lamps for the turn signal and running lamps that i bought from here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2608 When you convert to LEDS they often do not draw sufficient current to operate the old style flashers. The flasher I made will work with LEDS or regular bulbs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Petronix Vice Points Vice 123 System > <> > > And I hope you have all the stuff REQUIRED to RETURN > your dizzy to those K.I.S.S. Rules when the Petronix > DIES, Dean. 'Cause when it DOES, yer 'dead in the water' > (especially if it's raining) !!! LOL > > Oh BTW, I felt bad that I only got just SHY of 89K miles > on my last set of points!!! > > BUT, that DOES equate to a LOT of FREE brews 'cause > points are WAY cheaper then Petronix (even if I do get at > a REALLY good price compared to what YOU paid!! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dlh2001 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 21:56:28 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:56:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] The island - what was the classic car - not really LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903142156h5432460bs9f5b15ad066970d4@mail.gmail.com> I haven't seen it (yet). Does this help? http://www.imcdb.org/movie_399201-The-Island.html From bkitterer at mac.com Sat Mar 14 21:59:03 2009 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:59:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. In-Reply-To: <2FBA9C25-984F-435B-BCBA-76B00E3632C6@comcast.net> References: <2FBA9C25-984F-435B-BCBA-76B00E3632C6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3A6FBB4C-FDD4-44D1-96AB-8986B4329AD6@mac.com> On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Lester wrote: > Evening all, > > so I have started the replacement of the rear bearings and have run > into several "concerns" to whit: > > 1. The hub nuts are beat to caca but come off just fine with a > chisel, better to have some new ones yes? YES > > 2. No and I mean NO oil came out of the housing when I removed the > axle. This is bad yes? do you mean bone dry or just no oil came out - If the car is at an angle where the oil goes to the other end and you remove only one axle then there should be no oil. It may only mean that the diff. oil is low. > > 3. I notice play when spinning the wheel by about 1/8", I turn the > wheel that far before it "catches" and the wheel on the other side > starts to spin. Is this normal? Should I drop the rear axle and > torque the pinion nut? Does not sound like a problem to me. > > > Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sat Mar 14 23:10:48 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:10:48 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dean, I am "the guy trying to sell a distributor". The reason for the 123ignition being far more stable than the Pertronix is not the bigger diameter of the "rotor", but the absence of the springs and the bob-weights in the base of the 123ignition. These springs and weights have worn during the last decades and are less exact than an electronic system simply due to being mechanical. Our dizzy system only has one moving part in it. It is the shaft with the rotor attached. Everything else is done electronically, even the vacuum is measured electronically. This dizzy is as reliable as the electronics of a modern car, so there's no need to have a spare dizzy in the boot. Or would you carry spare electronics in your everyday car? Here's a link, that works for all: http://brits-n-pieces.com/shop/product_info.php/info/p7908 Eric Your link did'nt work, But I found the video under the Austin Healey catagory of the web catalog. I don't know, the Pertronix looks a little more stable than the points to me. But the guy is trying to sell a distributor, so go figure. I think it might be the fact that the pertronix unit's small replacement "rotor" is a little less precise due to it's small diameter. This guys distributor probably has a pickup assembly with a larger diameter. Also if he was testing the points and Pertronix on an old distributor with a worn shaft then that would explain why they both scattered. I definitely notice an improvement with the Pertronix. Especially on the highway. The engine seems to hum along and never miss a beat. Besides, who wants to mess with points anyway? I just hope that the unit holds up over time. From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Sat Mar 14 23:51:02 2009 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:51:02 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress In-Reply-To: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: Its looking good Frank. When you said that you had to cut it from 2 cars I had assumed that the shell was badly rusted, but that all looks pretty solid to me. Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Frank Sent: 15 March 2009 02:22 To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress Working on my daughter's Bugeye, the Lady Bug. I hope to paint it next weekend. I had to cut a rear clip in half right in the middle of the wheel wells and make one rear clip out of 2. And you read my post on missing, I mean rusted away lower bonnet parts. I figured all that out and I have fit the bonnet and made all necessary tweaks.Just a bit more sanding and priming to go. It's also de-seamed front and back. http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/ You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 15 02:34:08 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:34:08 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] The island - what was the classic car - not really LBC Message-ID: If you like action/adventure/science fiction it's a really good film. There isn't much to ID it from other than the door and front fender. In a message dated 15/03/2009 02:41:08 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: --- On Sat, 3/14/09, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: "So anyone know what car it was?" Is it worth renting? If so, I'll have a try at identifying it. David Booker From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 15 02:37:21 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:37:21 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. Message-ID: 1. New nuts are not necessarily the same same as the originals so you might want to source used nuts. 2. Depends on the angle the car is jacket to, I wouldn't expect more than dribble. 4. Sadly this probably is normal and it's why I have double bearing hubs on my Sprite. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 15/03/2009 00:28:55 GMT Standard Time, oldsaabguy at comcast.net writes: Evening all, so I have started the replacement of the rear bearings and have run into several "concerns" to whit: 1. The hub nuts are beat to caca but come off just fine with a chisel, better to have some new ones yes? 2. No and I mean NO oil came out of the housing when I removed the axle. This is bad yes? 3. I notice play when spinning the wheel by about 1/8", I turn the wheel that far before it "catches" and the wheel on the other side starts to spin. Is this normal? Should I drop the rear axle and torque the pinion nut? 4. The new bearings have play in them side to side until I put the axle back in, is this normal? 5. The "O" ring on the hub is covered by the paper gasket, this doesn't make sense, should the paper be cut back so that the "O" ring is in the groove on one side and hitting the metal on the other side? 6. There are several markings cast into the axle, how do I tell if I have the "good" ones? Sorry to ask all the questions but all of my work has been on front wheel drive cars so this is all new to me. Thanks as always, Lester From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 15 02:38:58 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:38:58 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: Maybe the test wasn't run long enough for the points gap to close up? In a message dated 15/03/2009 03:21:12 GMT Standard Time, dlh2001 at comcast.net writes: I didn't see much difference between > the Pertronix vice the points. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 15 02:42:06 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:42:06 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Petronix Vice Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: I'd be really interested in LEDs to replace the turn signal indicator bulbs - the ones that sit behind the green jewels in the dash that aren't bright enough. How have you done this? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 15/03/2009 04:32:40 GMT Standard Time, dlh2001 at comcast.net writes: The reason I made it was I am planning to convert to LED lamps for the turn signal and running lamps that i bought from here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2608 From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 15 02:43:49 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:43:49 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] The island - what was the classic car - not really LBC Message-ID: Yes, Ferrari 250GT Berlinetta - I guess I'm not much of a Ferrari buff. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 15/03/2009 04:56:39 GMT Standard Time, tr3.4.me at gmail.com writes: I haven't seen it (yet). Does this help? _http://www.imcdb.org/movie_399201-The-Island.html_ (http://www.imcdb.org/movie_399201-The-Island.html) From grunthaner at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 04:35:40 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:35:40 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress In-Reply-To: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> References: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903150435m35a530cfnadc301140d5745b9@mail.gmail.com> Frank, I'm glad you have that rear pict of the can opner job : ) Looks Cool. Lin On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Frank wrote: > Working on my daughter's Bugeye, the Lady Bug. > I hope to paint it next weekend. I had to cut a rear clip in half right in > the middle of the wheel wells and make one rear clip out of 2. > And you read my post on missing, I mean rusted away lower bonnet parts. I > figured all that out and I have fit the bonnet and made all necessary > tweaks.Just a bit more sanding and priming to go. > It's also de-seamed front and back. > > http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 15 06:17:28 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:17:28 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... HELP! anyone near Dublin? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Listers (& a few direct mails), this has NOT gotten resolved and Alan (Frogeye pilot) could use some help !!!! If you have any contacts or ideas (mine are BELOW Alan's note) PLEASE send to him and not clog up the Lists!! ***** If anyone lives near Dublin, Ireland, please contact me off list at alan.larson at mchsi.com My fiancee is stranded at the airport, and is in dire need of assistance. Thanks in advance! Alan in Iowa City ***** mine: <> Huh?? No Hard-wire phone?? Haveyou tried calling: Dept. of State?? Irish Embassy in D.C.?? Irish Consulate in Chi?? Dublin Airport Police?? Telling AA you prob and see if they can contact their folks at Dublin Airport?? Dublin Police?? OTTOMH, dat's all I can quickly think of. From kentmclean at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 07:39:14 2009 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:39:14 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] The island - what was the classic car - not really LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BD1312.1060209@comcast.net> WeslakeMonza1330 > Just watched the filme 'The Island' with Ewan McGregor. His character has > flashbacks to him just getting in/out of a classic car, most likely a classic > racing saloon. It appears a bit Cobra-ish except the wing has tall vertical > vents. Probably a real car rather than a CGI car was used for this. > > So anyone know what car it was? 1961 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta? -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From jimndi at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 15 07:51:10 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:51:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] TORQUE Message-ID: Does anyone have the torque specs. for 1275 manifolds, and is there a sequence, eg. center to outer right to left etc. 1960 Bugeye From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 07:52:46 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:52:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. In-Reply-To: <2FBA9C25-984F-435B-BCBA-76B00E3632C6@comcast.net> References: <2FBA9C25-984F-435B-BCBA-76B00E3632C6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9996ACFF-2E44-4D3E-82A3-E2B18AFC5130@comcast.net> Good morning all, so far the consensus is: On Mar 14, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Lester wrote: > Evening all, > > so I have started the replacement of the rear bearings and have run > into several "concerns" to whit: > > 1. The hub nuts are beat to caca but come off just fine with a > chisel, better to have some new ones yes? Get new ones or better yet used but in good shape. Anyone willing to part with a pair? And torque to 90ft lbs. > > > 2. No and I mean NO oil came out of the housing when I removed the > axle. This is bad yes? Since I had the axle more or less level this may be a bad thing but as I'm replacing the bearings not a terrible thing, 2.1 US pints to fill. > > > 3. I notice play when spinning the wheel by about 1/8", I turn the > wheel that far before it "catches" and the wheel on the other side > starts to spin. Is this normal? Should I drop the rear axle and > torque the pinion nut? Generally accepted as normal.. > > > 4. The new bearings have play in them side to side until I put the > axle back in, is this normal? Accepted as normal and the play is totally gone once the half shaft is in place. > > > 5. The "O" ring on the hub is covered by the paper gasket, this > doesn't make sense, should the paper be cut back so that the "O" > ring is in the groove on one side and hitting the metal on the other > side? Don't mess with success although having an "O" ring hitting a paper gasket is asking for a leak IMO. > > > 6. There are several markings cast into the axle, how do I tell if I > have the "good" ones? I have BTA 806 and EN 17 which is almost the good stuff. > > > Sorry to ask all the questions but all of my work has been on front > wheel drive cars so this is all new to me. > > Thanks as always, > > Lester Thanks again and keep responding if I missed something! Lester > > > .. NB SAAB transmission seal drivers are the perfect size for the > inner seal and bearing for the rear axle of the Bugeye. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 08:35:46 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:35:46 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] TORQUE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BD2052.5000408@comcast.net> Jim F. wrote: > Does anyone have the torque specs. for 1275 manifolds, and > is there a sequence, eg. center to outer right to left etc. > > 22 ft-lbs if brass nuts 25 if steel. Middle out after the exhaust ears are snug From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 15 10:36:28 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:36:28 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <702109999.20090314202842@pacifier.com> Message-ID: I've never minded spending five minutes a year to adjust points. I have a Pertronix in the Ranchero, but I'd never get another one. They don't improve performance, but they can leave you stranded. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 15 10:38:16 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:38:16 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Petronix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <85D10621C0F141C1926D33E2AE6830A1@blackbox2> Message-ID: > I have faith in the solid state... Well bless your heart. From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sun Mar 15 11:32:08 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:32:08 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "...but they can leave you stranded." Not if you have a set of spare points in the trunk! ;-) Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com Billy Zoom wrote: I've never minded spending five minutes a year to adjust points. I have a Pertronix in the Ranchero, but I'd never get another one. They don't improve performance, but they can leave you stranded. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 15 12:00:59 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:00:59 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. Message-ID: Personally I wouldn't torque that high and if you do and strip the thread on the axle casing you'l be really sorry. In a message dated 15/03/2009 14:53:11 GMT Standard Time, oldsaabguy at comcast.net writes: And torque to 90ft lbs. From pilotrob at webtv.net Sun Mar 15 13:22:25 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:22:25 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: "Or would you carry spare electronics in your everyday car?" Indeed..... at least one of the reasons (if not THE reason) for the towing clause in today's insurance is to bascially cover modern engine control "black box" failure. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Mar 15 13:40:00 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. Update... In-Reply-To: <002501c9a4fd$a8bb5420$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <002501c9a4fd$a8bb5420$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <49BD0530.26694.12D5B00@kk7ss.verizon.net> Hi Folks... First, I downloaded the tuning instructions from under "Technical" --- A Big "Thank You" to them for including some well illustrated diagrams... I then read them three times!! Next, I must own up to having assumed that the previous owner(s) had at least got the carb mechanical settings partially right.... my mistake. Here's what I found and corrected.. 1) I could find no air leaks and all carb and manifold nuts nice and tight. BUT... 2) The choke cable had zero play. It was actually holding the rear cold start cam part way on. Reset the cable clamp to have to 1/16" free play at the choke knob.. 3) Also, the rear carbs' fast idle (cold start) screw was hard up against the cam. Turned it ccw until it was well clear... 2 & 3 together meant that the rear carb was being held on the rich side and gave me a false setting of the jet height... 4) The rear car needle was a bit off... not seated correctly. Minor problem. Reset! 5) The throttle inter-connection spindle was not set correctly... the rear carb butterfly was being held a bit open by the front butterfly... reset! Went through the tuning proceedure from step one in the instructions. I've ended up with the jet nut sitting at 6 flats down instead of 12 with the same "hiss" from both carbs and idling at about 850 rpm. Just a bit of an occasional stumble.. Many thanks to you all for your inputs... Next problem for me to tackle... the fuel guage needle jumps between 1/4 and 3/4 full erratically, seems to depend on the engine rpms... The (eelectric) tach needle also jumps a little bit A digital DVM (volt meter) is too slow to follow the voltage from the regulator.. What can I use to clean the regulator contacts??? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From pilotrob at webtv.net Sun Mar 15 13:48:29 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:48:29 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix vs. Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: Same occurred to me when first installing a PerTronix unit, Bill and the unit failed almost immediately after installation. Company replaced same and gave me credit for initial unit even though we accidentally installed it improperly. Pretty nice of them. Never had a problem since. Ordered a new PerTronix-equipped Aldon 43D from England as part of the build re: my current Rivergate motor. No problems. But it is obvious to me the 123 dizzy is the superior product and were I in need of a new dizzy, this is what I would get for best performance/economy of operation. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 15 13:49:47 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:49:47 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Not if you have a set of spare points in the trunk! It's been my experience that if you want to keep the wires from getting chewed up, you have to trim them all to length. That means you can't just reconnect the points. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 13:51:15 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:51:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. Update... In-Reply-To: <49BD0530.26694.12D5B00@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net> <002501c9a4fd$a8bb5420$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <49BD0530.26694.12D5B00@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903151351t5e3680e8m334bfce4bbdfc51d@mail.gmail.com> Congrats on the SU carb work. They are great carbs if you have patience and understanding. Most Spridget electrical problems are caused by poor grounds. Chances are your instrument cluster isn't grounded properly. From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Mar 15 13:52:24 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:52:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BD0818.385.138B724@kk7ss.verizon.net> My "modern" car has 3 fuse boxes... The "Primary" under the hood has 3 fuses which require a Philips screwdriver to remove.. The "Secondary" under the hood has 21 fuses of various physical shapes and ratings. The "Interior" fuse box has 29 fuses with 6 different ratings... One very large and 28 are micro-AT fuses that you will not find at Pep- Boys, Autozone. etc.... Total = 53 fuses!!!! We will not discuss the three Electronic Control Modules!! I'm SO HAPPY my '65 Sprite only has 2 fuses and no modules ;-)) (But it does have an 5ABC extinguisher behind the seats!!) -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From jimndi at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 15 13:52:01 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:52:01 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 assembly Message-ID: Is there a gasket between the exhaust manifold and the 12 75 block or is it a metal to metal connection.?? 1960 Bugeye From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 15 13:56:12 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:56:12 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A set of points with a Pertronix coil will provide all the advantages, and none of the disadvantages of a Pertronix ignition. Points are pretty bulletproof and nearly maintenance free. I think the 123 might be a legitimate improvement, but a Pertronix is still just a dodgy substitute for points. BZ From pilotrob at webtv.net Sun Mar 15 13:58:06 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:58:06 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix vs. Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: PerTronix is a lot easier on the shaft and bearings than points over time. Less wear= less shaft wobble/spark "scatter" over miles/time in use. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sun Mar 15 14:17:34 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:17:34 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Pertronix is still just a dodgy substitute for points" Not if you have play in the shaft... Eric Billy Zoom wrote: A set of points with a Pertronix coil will provide all the advantages, and none of the disadvantages of a Pertronix ignition. Points are pretty bulletproof and nearly maintenance free. I think the 123 might be a legitimate improvement, but a Pertronix is still just a dodgy substitute for points. BZ From wsthompson at thicko.com Sun Mar 15 14:23:33 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:23:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <006501c9a5b4$4d49ac60$e7dd0520$@com> SOS '09 Flounder's floundering will be this weekend, the 21st and 22nd of March. (Saturday and Sunda) All are welcome, and there's lots to do. We'll have lunch here both days. Anyone needing overnight accommodations, let me know. Thanks. WST From pelliott at innercite.com Sun Mar 15 14:24:32 2009 From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:24:32 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <49BD0818.385.138B724@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49BD0818.385.138B724@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901c9a5b4$6f33c590$4d9b50b0$@com> I got you beat! My '95 XJ12 has five boxes. Two under the bonnet, two in the rear seat heal boards, one in the boot. And five ecm's.... -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave G. Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:52 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System My "modern" car has 3 fuse boxes... The "Primary" under the hood has 3 fuses which require a Philips screwdriver to remove.. The "Secondary" under the hood has 21 fuses of various physical shapes and ratings. The "Interior" fuse box has 29 fuses with 6 different ratings... One very large and 28 are micro-AT fuses that you will not find at Pep- Boys, Autozone. etc.... Total = 53 fuses!!!! We will not discuss the three Electronic Control Modules!! I'm SO HAPPY my '65 Sprite only has 2 fuses and no modules ;-)) (But it does have an 5ABC extinguisher behind the seats!!) -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! You are subscribed as pelliott at innercite.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00 From breton48 at live.com Sun Mar 15 14:44:48 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Billy Zoom wrote: "Pertronix is still just a dodgy substitute for points" There are some good points (pun intended!) to the Pertronix. As Eric said, the Pertronix is better than conventional points ignition if you have play in the shaft. I ran a Pertronix system with an Aldon distributor in my racing Bugeye with no problems. The reason for the Pertonix was that the points could not cope adequately with the high revs (that engine was good for up to 8500 rpm). Not all LBCs have easy access to the distributor and its points - My Lotus Twin Cam has the distributor right underneath the intake manifold, and the manifold is an integral part to the cylinder head (i.e cannot be removed separately). I used to take the the whole distributor out to work on the points - time consuming and a PITA.I have had a Pertronix unit in my Lotus since 2003. It has not let me down yet. If I remember well, that Pertronix cost me less than $90 and has been working flawlessly for six years. I the Pertonix unit fails in my Lotus, I will be in the market for a 123 system, if they make one for that engine/distributor combo! JLC From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 14:50:54 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:50:54 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BD783E.2050108@comcast.net> Billy Zoom wrote: > I have a Pertronix in the Ranchero, but I'd never get another one. > They don't improve performance, but they can leave you stranded. > Exactly! They do not improve performance and they DO leave you stranded. I do have an electronic from Daniel Stapleton, it's been fine for about 5 years now. I went thru 3 pertronix in about 1.5 years. From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 14:57:24 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] One horse shay Message-ID: <965853.99640.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My stock, original Alfa Spider that I drive April - November as a daily driver made its debut last week. Wouldn't start, simple cleaning of wiring and dizzy parts and it fired right up. Drove it around, left turn signal not working. Treated it like a British car (wiggle the wires) and it works. Go to clean it up and the whole thing disintegrates. Jane Caldwell (Mrs. Peter C) sent me to a used ALfa parts place, $30 later the restored (by moi) bucket goes in and works like new. Of course, I painted some trim pieces, so one side looks nice, the other grimy. Go out to get some more hardware to do the other side, flip the top down, the back plastic window cracks. Oh well. Take off and go, the radiator springs a gusher. I think 31 years is the Alfa limit on most components, and they are pretty much all that age except the motor and geartrain. Joy. There will be no restoration. There will be duct tape. Ron Soave From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 15 14:58:40 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:58:40 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <876628656.20090315145840@pacifier.com> Hello JLC, The 123 Dizzy is likely a superior alternative. It is most likely priced fairly considering suppy/demand/manufacturing/R&D costs, but at $500 it is too rich for my blood for solving some rather esoteric differences between itself and a Crane or Pertronix solution. Play in shaft will cause a different set of problems than worn lobes in the dizzy. The Shutter or Magnetic pickup CAN solve the latter problem. (the 123 does NOT list a curve as a replacement for the 40919 dizzy that comes stock in the 10cc 1098 Sprite Engine, otherwise I would probably saving my pennies to cure that esoterica!!) -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Do I smoke after sex? I never looked. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 15:16:37 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:16:37 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] High Idle.. Update... In-Reply-To: <49BD0530.26694.12D5B00@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49BBA5F7.19746.1034D2A@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <002501c9a4fd$a8bb5420$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <49BD0530.26694.12D5B00@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <49BD7E45.2050302@comcast.net> Dave G. wrote: > > Next problem for me to tackle... the fuel guage needle jumps between > 1/4 and 3/4 full erratically, seems to depend on the engine rpms... > The (eelectric) tach needle also jumps a little bit > A digital DVM (volt meter) is too slow to follow the voltage from the > regulator.. > What can I use to clean the regulator contacts??? > > > > Clean or run a new ground from each gauge. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 15:19:38 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:19:38 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 1275 assembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BD7EFA.3010903@comcast.net> Jim F. wrote: > Is there a gasket between the exhaust manifold and the 12 75 block or is it a > metal to metal connection.?? > > > > There is a gasket. Intake/exhaust, one unit gasket. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 15:21:30 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:21:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] One horse shay In-Reply-To: <965853.99640.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <965853.99640.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BD7F6A.2090507@comcast.net> Ron Soave wrote: > My stock, original Alfa Spider Damn modern plastic cars. From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 15 16:21:07 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:21:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BUT Jacques... <<...if you have play in the shaft.>> There is NO LONGER ANY reason to have 'play'!!! Pretty sure most List Members can say Advance Distributors !!!! !! Ed From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 17:15:52 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix vs. Points Vice 123 System References: Message-ID: This is starting to sound like the silicon vs. conventional brake fluid debate or the brass vs. stainless sleeve master rebuild debate. If there are failure issues with the Pertronix, these can only be attributed to either a manufactuing defect, or a usage/ installation problem. Ignition module failures from the manufacturer are not unheard of. Ford had a big recall with thier ignition modules some time ago. This was caused by the fact that the ignition module was mounted to the engine in a hot place which did not bode well with components within the module that had different rates of thermal expansion. Despite the above I have never encountered an ignition module failure in all the modern daily drivers I have owned. There is one case that Pertronix mentions on their website that could account for many of the problems people have encountered: "Leaving the ignition switch on when the engine is not running, can cause permanent damage to the ignition system, and related components." The above applys to points systems as well. But it would be nice if the Ignitor was immune to this. Lots of LBC coils have been cooked in this fashion. There are two other scenarios that I am aware of that are very hard on automotive electronics. 1) Jump starting a car. There is an Intel application note that goes into great detail about this. What happens is there is a large voltage spike that occurs as the alternator regulator kicks in when you attach and remove the jumper cables. 2) Arc welding on a car without disconnecting things. So if you have a Pertronix and are worried about protecting it then I would never jump start your car. Always find a charger. There is not much inside the Pertronix chunk of epoxy. The electrical components probably cost less than $5. You are paying for all the molding & engineering they had to do to get the Ignitor to fit into all the different applications. Still, it would have been nice if they threw in a spare module with the kit so that you are never stranded. Additional modules should also be lower cost than the initial price as well. From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:19:50 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:19:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: Message-ID: > It's been my experience that if you want to keep the wires from getting > chewed up, you have to trim them all to length. That means you can't just > reconnect the points. I dunno bout your Pertronix, but my Pertronix did not use ANY of the wires from my points installation. This meant that I could trim the Pertronix wires any way I wanted without affecting my ability to take the original points setup out of the glove box and put them back in the distributor. OTOH, I did install a 123/Mini dizzy and relegated the pertronix to my box of spares. Among other interesting details I have found with the 123/Mini is that it will continue to work without missing a beat when your alternator is dead and your battery is so flat that the guy behind you cannot see your brakelights... just don't shut off the engine until you get home ;-) David Lieb From millerls at ado13.com Sun Mar 15 17:27:19 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:27:19 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Check a Mini For Me In Colorado Springs CO Message-ID: <3E01C43242F7484B8278ECDB6205D9C6@HP> Is there anyone near to Colorado Springs that would be willing to take a test ride in a Mini for me? I'm interested in the engine and tranny only. There is a youtube video of a test drive in the car but would like a first hand check of the engine. Contact me at millerls at ado13.com Tks Larry Miller From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:29:03 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:29:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix vs. Points Vice 123 System References: Message-ID: <663E67AE2D324068B0F5A1A93AE435EA@rwa> > There is one case that Pertronix mentions on their website that could > account for many > of the problems people have encountered: > "Leaving the ignition switch on when the engine is not running, can cause > permanent damage to the ignition system, and related components." The other thing that has not been mentioned this time around is that the Pertronix only uses two wires. One is power and the other is the signal to the coil. Please note the entire absence of a ground wire. How does the unit get its ground? Well, either through the cute little braided wire from the points plate to the body of the sistributor, then through that oily body to the engine block, then... Or else the braided wire is dead or missing (tested it lately?) so it tries to ground through the mechanical advance springs and weights. You get the picture? Electronics do NOT like iffy grounds!!! If I were still running the Pertronix, I would add a third wire from a good ground to the points plate, following the other two wires. Also, I would like to quibble with Frank's statement about the Pertronix not improving performance over a good set of points. The coil takes its 10VDC (nominal) and multiplies it by 2500 or so. ANY resistance in the points is going to affect that initial voltage with a resulting 2500:1 consequence on the results. Likewise, the Pertronix eliminates that condenser that has been so flaky of late and causes such interesting symptoms. David Lieb From Miniac7 at aol.com Sun Mar 15 17:37:05 2009 From: Miniac7 at aol.com (Miniac7 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:37:05 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Check a Mini For Me In Colorado Springs CO Message-ID: Larry, Where are you located? I have a line on a 1275 running engine and box on the east coast. Howard Collins Virginia Beach, VA.. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 17:59:06 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:59:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That said, what is the correct torque? Lester .. and thanks. On Mar 15, 2009, at 2:00 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > Personally I wouldn't torque that high and if you do and strip the > thread on the axle casing you'l be really sorry. > > In a message dated 15/03/2009 14:53:11 GMT Standard Time, oldsaabguy at comcast.net > writes: > And torque to 90ft lbs. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 15 18:07:39 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:07:39 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > with the 123/Mini is > that it will continue to work without missing a beat when your alternator is > dead and your battery is so flat Pertronix won't work below 12.5 volts. From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 15 19:08:43 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:08:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <49BD0818.385.138B724@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <<(But it does have an 5ABC extinguisher behind the seats!!)>> As should your "modern" ride, Dave !!!! In fact ALL cars should have at LEAST a 5 pounder (ABC) !!! From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:13:09 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:13:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: Message-ID: >> with the 123/Mini is >> that it will continue to work without missing a beat when your alternator >> is >> dead and your battery is so flat > Pertronix won't work below 12.5 volts. Not necessarily true, Billy. I took a trip with a gentleman who had a Pertronix in the distributor of his Bugeye. We drove through a torrential downpour that was so bad that all I could see of his car infront of me was the white of his hardtop. his taillights did not stand a chance. After too many miles of this, his generator was not keeping up with his headlights, etc and he found that it was going slower and slower. We pulled off the superstrip and stopped to investigate. We found that we were losing spark over about 3000rpm, so we installed his points back in the distributor. NO change. Got around to measuring the battery voltage and found it was down around 10.5. At that stage, the Pertronix was still working just as well as the points. David Lieb From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 15 19:18:12 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:18:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Now THAT is an understatement, Daniel !!!!! From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 18:46:45 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:46:45 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: Message-ID: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2> Bill does raise the good question as to how low voltage a Pertronix will work at. The Pertronix web page states 8-16v. The fact that the lower limit is 8 volts is almost conclusive that the Ignitor is using a MOSFET to fire the coil (as opposed to a power transistor). While at the Pertronix web page I notice the Ignitor II, looks pretty cool with the variable dwell and built in over current protection. That might mean the little micro-controller detects the motor not turning and ignition switch left on, and switches off the current to the coil. A worhtwhile feature. ----- Original Message ----- From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System >>> with the 123/Mini is >>> that it will continue to work without missing a beat when your alternator >>> is >>> dead and your battery is so flat >> Pertronix won't work below 12.5 volts. > > Not necessarily true, Billy. I took a trip with a gentleman who had a > Pertronix in the distributor of his Bugeye. From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 15 18:55:50 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:55:50 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2> References: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2> Message-ID: <1902141596.20090315185550@pacifier.com> Hello Dean, Alas the Ignitor II is not available for our application. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Part-time musicians are semiconductors From kvacek at ameritech.net Sun Mar 15 19:00:36 2009 From: kvacek at ameritech.net (Karl Vacek) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:00:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Where should I advertise this Midget ? Message-ID: We have a '78 Midget that may be the lowest-mileage and most-original remaining. We bought it in 2006 for my wife, who fondly remembered her '64 Midget and wanted another one. This car has just over 14,000 miles, still original tires (maybe not a great idea to drive on 'em, but they run fine), original top, upholstery, shiny original paint, absolutely no rust ever, etc., etc. All original papers since it was won on Wheel of Fortune in 1978. We bought it from the second owner 3 months after he'd bought it from the original owner - he just resold the car after putting in a fuel pump and waxing it, and made some cash. I went through all hoses, belts, and hydraulics, rebuilt the carbs, new original brake master cylinder, and replaced the exhaust system (it was the original too, but rusted beyond any use or repair. Lots of little stuff here and there. I kept pretty much every original part too. It's really too nice to be used as we want - as a summer driver. And Jill isn't that wild about it any more - it's not a '64. I'm basically a Triumph guy, currently with a TR4, and I never did fit in Midgets that well. And my MGTC that I sold 25 years ago, is now coming home to us so we'll need some space and time for that. Besides just putting it on eBay and/or in Hemmings, is there anywhere I should advertise to potentially find someone who wants a very original survivor car ? I really think it's close to a museum piece. I'm not saying that because we want to make money here - I probably have too much in it anyway - we just want to see that it goes to someone or some place that will preserve this time capsule. Thanks ! Karl Vacek Riverside, IL From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Mar 15 19:05:21 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:05:21 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Aaarrggghhhh!! Message-ID: <49BD5171.31685.257833F@kk7ss.verizon.net> 2 years I've been messing around with this beast... 2 years!! And I've only just noticed that the ground cable (+ve ground) goes to the bell housing. There is no ground connection to the bodywork!!! Now to wait till tomorrow for Autozone to open!! Doh! -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 19:10:56 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:10:56 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2> <1902141596.20090315185550@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <2E83125C67A642BA986F9D6CBF8C6ED9@blackbox2> That sucks. We should write to them and petition that they support our application. Oh well, maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L" Subject: Re[2]: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System > Hello Dean, > > Alas the Ignitor II is not available for our application. From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:14:47 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:14:47 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2><1902141596.20090315185550@pacifier.com> <2E83125C67A642BA986F9D6CBF8C6ED9@blackbox2> Message-ID: <6436458B31E247C3A8A1676E0FA6A093@rwa> > That sucks. We should write to them and petition that they support our > application. > Oh well, maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet. ISTR that the fine print indicates that 4-bangers under 6krpm silmply don't stand to benefit enough from the variable dwell to justify the effort. David Lieb From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 19:16:25 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:16:25 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Aaarrggghhhh!! References: <49BD5171.31685.257833F@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <6F2A33FD4C1A46BF925D414C568B4C1F@blackbox2> Does that mean, one by one, you ran a seperate ground to everything over the past 2 years to get things to work? Or does this just finally explain all of those "Mysterious Intermintents"? Maybe a little of both! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G." Subject: [Spridgets] Aaarrggghhhh!! >2 years I've been messing around with this beast... 2 years!! > And I've only just noticed that the ground cable (+ve ground) goes to > the bell housing. > There is no ground connection to the bodywork!!! > > Now to wait till tomorrow for Autozone to open!! From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 19:20:21 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:20:21 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2><1902141596.20090315185550@pacifier.com> <2E83125C67A642BA986F9D6CBF8C6ED9@blackbox2> <6436458B31E247C3A8A1676E0FA6A093@rwa> Message-ID: It's the "ignition key forgottenly left on, current cut off to the coil" feature that I find more desirable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> > ISTR that the fine print indicates that 4-bangers under 6krpm silmply don't > stand to benefit enough from the variable dwell to justify the effort. > David Lieb From millerls at ado13.com Sun Mar 15 20:06:06 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:06:06 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System References: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2><1902141596.20090315185550@pacifier.com><2E83125C67A642BA986F9D6CBF8C6ED9@blackbox2><6436458B31E247C3A8A1676E0FA6A093@rwa> Message-ID: <6C91117AC0B74BBCBCF8561C81CA7B7F@HP> Check this one out.... http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/dd/ee/10390/Distributor%20Elec.%20High%20Performance%20Adjustable%2045D4 From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 20:08:23 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2> Message-ID: <328195.24804.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> YES!! You guys just gave me a million dollar idea. I'll get back to you in a few months. Ron Soave --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Dean Hedin wrote: > From: Dean Hedin > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System > To: "S pridgets" > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:46 PM > Bill does raise the good question as to how low voltage a > Pertronix will work at. > > The Pertronix web page states 8-16v. The fact that the > lower limit is 8 volts is almost conclusive that > the Ignitor is using a MOSFET to fire the coil (as opposed > to a power transistor). > > While at the Pertronix web page I notice the Ignitor II, > looks pretty cool with the variable dwell > and built in over current protection. That might mean the > little micro-controller detects the motor not > turning and ignition switch left on, and switches off the > current to the coil. > A worhtwhile feature. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "72 Spridget" > <72spridget at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 > System > > > >>> with the 123/Mini is > >>> that it will continue to work without missing > a beat when your alternator is > >>> dead and your battery is so flat > >> Pertronix won't work below 12.5 volts. > > > > Not necessarily true, Billy. I took a trip with a > gentleman who had a Pertronix in the distributor of his > Bugeye. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From frog.aye at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 20:09:32 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:09:32 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2> <1902141596.20090315185550@pacifier.com> <2E83125C67A642BA986F9D6CBF8C6ED9@blackbox2> <6436458B31E247C3A8A1676E0FA6A093@rwa> Message-ID: <4333f8140903152009r5ba6da5bka6aa91dfa9728901@mail.gmail.com> Before I obtained a pertronix for FROG AYE, I emailed Pertronix about the Ignitor II to fit (I was particularly interested in the ignition key left on feature). Their response was that it would not fit physically in the bugeye distributor. Hal On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dean Hedin wrote: > It's the "ignition key forgottenly left on, current cut off to the coil" > feature that I > find more desirable. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> > >> ISTR that the fine print indicates that 4-bangers under 6krpm silmply >> don't stand to benefit enough from the variable dwell to justify the effort. >> David Lieb From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 20:15:57 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Where should I advertise this Midget ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <346131.26376.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bring it to a vintage race at Road America in May, July (svra.com), or September (www.vscda.org), that's where the money is. Speaking of which...I was walking the dogs today and one of our neighbor's garages was open and the most beautifully restored TR6 I have ever seen was peeking out. I went up to look at it, and it turns out he bought the car new in 1976 in college. I tried to give him parts contact infornmation, he shook his head and said that all told he's put less than $1000 in the car over 33 years. It is not restored. It is not patina'd. I'll have pictures soon. He doesn't usually keep it at this house. Ron Soave --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Karl Vacek wrote: > From: Karl Vacek > Subject: [Spridgets] Where should I advertise this Midget ? > To: "Spridgets" > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 9:00 PM > We have a '78 Midget that may be the lowest-mileage and > most-original > remaining. We bought it in 2006 for my wife, who fondly > remembered her '64 > Midget and wanted another one. This car has just over > 14,000 miles, still > original tires (maybe not a great idea to drive on 'em, > but they run fine), > original top, upholstery, shiny original paint, absolutely > no rust ever, etc., > etc. All original papers since it was won on Wheel of > Fortune in 1978. > > We bought it from the second owner 3 months after he'd > bought it from the > original owner - he just resold the car after putting in a > fuel pump and > waxing it, and made some cash. I went through all hoses, > belts, and > hydraulics, rebuilt the carbs, new original brake master > cylinder, and > replaced the exhaust system (it was the original too, but > rusted beyond any > use or repair. Lots of little stuff here and there. I > kept pretty much every > original part too. > > It's really too nice to be used as we want - as a > summer driver. And Jill > isn't that wild about it any more - it's not a > '64. I'm basically a Triumph > guy, currently with a TR4, and I never did fit in Midgets > that well. And my > MGTC that I sold 25 years ago, is now coming home to us so > we'll need some > space and time for that. > > Besides just putting it on eBay and/or in Hemmings, is > there anywhere I should > advertise to potentially find someone who wants a very > original survivor car ? > I really think it's close to a museum piece. I'm > not saying that because we > want to make money here - I probably have too much in it > anyway - we just want > to see that it goes to someone or some place that will > preserve this time > capsule. > > Thanks ! > Karl Vacek > Riverside, IL > _______________________ From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 20:17:49 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <2E83125C67A642BA986F9D6CBF8C6ED9@blackbox2> Message-ID: <290507.30454.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got one of them Flamethrowers in one of my 1275s, it's an Ignitor II and works fine. Ron Soave --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Dean Hedin wrote: > From: Dean Hedin > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System > To: "Bill L" > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 9:10 PM > That sucks. We should write to them and petition that they > support our application. > Oh well, maybe they just haven't gotten around to it > yet. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L" > > Subject: Re[2]: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 > System > > > > Hello Dean, > > > > Alas the Ignitor II is not available for our > application. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 15 20:37:40 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <6C91117AC0B74BBCBCF8561C81CA7B7F@HP> References: <1596883E06B74D158D0351504722DF7C@blackbox2><1902141596.20090315185550@pacifier.com><2E83125C67A642BA986F9D6CBF8C6ED9@blackbox2><6436458B31E247C3A8A1676E0FA6A093@rwa> <6C91117AC0B74BBCBCF8561C81CA7B7F@HP> Message-ID: <187638772.20090315203740@pacifier.com> Hello, I have a question.. does the 45D4 Dizzy fit in an A-series engine? and what would be the advantage, disadvantage of doing the swap if they do fit?.. I've been under the impression (is it wrong?) the 45d4 was for the Spitfidget 1500. ????????????? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "I never play any music by Hungarian composers," said Tom listlessly. From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sun Mar 15 21:15:57 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:15:57 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: JLC, we build the electronics of the 123ignition system into nearly any original distributor housing. 4-, 6- and 8-cylinder. Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JLC Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:45 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System Billy Zoom wrote: "Pertronix is still just a dodgy substitute for points" There are some good points (pun intended!) to the Pertronix. As Eric said, the Pertronix is better than conventional points ignition if you have play in the shaft. I ran a Pertronix system with an Aldon distributor in my racing Bugeye with no problems. The reason for the Pertonix was that the points could not cope adequately with the high revs (that engine was good for up to 8500 rpm). Not all LBCs have easy access to the distributor and its points - My Lotus Twin Cam has the distributor right underneath the intake manifold, and the manifold is an integral part to the cylinder head (i.e cannot be removed separately). I used to take the the whole distributor out to work on the points - time consuming and a PITA.I have had a Pertronix unit in my Lotus since 2003. It has not let me down yet. If I remember well, that Pertronix cost me less than $90 and has been working flawlessly for six years. I the Pertonix unit fails in my Lotus, I will be in the market for a 123 system, if they make one for that engine/distributor combo! JLC From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sun Mar 15 21:42:25 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:42:25 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <876628656.20090315145840@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Bill, the question is whether you really want the original curve of the 40919. After the quality (and burning characteristics) of fuel has changed so much over time and your engine is most likely not exactly the same as when it left the factory you shouldn't stick to a curve optimized decades ago. Also you should keep in mind that ignition curves in that time always were a compromise between performance and reliability (leaning more to the reliability side), keeping an eye on different markets with different climates and different fuel qualities. We offer the 123ignition for your Sprite between 234.45 Euros and 259.66 (depending on what you want) which equates to about between 302 US$ and 335 US$ with today's exchange rate. Even with shipping costs you should stay well below 500 US$, and there's a possibility of omnibus order. Waving with an incense cone... Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com Bill L wrote: Hello JLC, The 123 Dizzy is likely a superior alternative. It is most likely priced fairly considering suppy/demand/manufacturing/R&D costs, but at $500 it is too rich for my blood for solving some rather esoteric differences between itself and a Crane or Pertronix solution. Play in shaft will cause a different set of problems than worn lobes in the dizzy. The Shutter or Magnetic pickup CAN solve the latter problem. (the 123 does NOT list a curve as a replacement for the 40919 dizzy that comes stock in the 10cc 1098 Sprite Engine, otherwise I would probably saving my pennies to cure that esoterica!!) From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sun Mar 15 21:49:12 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:49:12 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ... and 123ignitions will work down to about 4 volts! Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:08 AM To: 72 Spridget; S pridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System > with the 123/Mini is > that it will continue to work without missing a beat when your > alternator is dead and your battery is so flat Pertronix won't work below 12.5 volts. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 16 01:12:11 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:12:11 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. Message-ID: Nobody knows for certain. I think the range used is between 40 and 80. In a message dated 16/03/2009 00:59:21 GMT Standard Time, oldsaabguy at comcast.net writes: That said, what is the correct torque? Lester From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 04:31:17 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:31:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear wheel bearing help and Questions.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402188520903160431r13b03cedka80d7e9dc3f16e59@mail.gmail.com> > That said, what is the correct torque? Hard to tell with the drift punch or the channel-locks ;-) From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 05:01:49 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:01:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th Anniversary event in 2011 Message-ID: <43840a7e0903160501t65373e66x3176e980c7377e30@mail.gmail.com> Spridgeteers, The deadline for submissions of venue proposals has now passed and there are 7 proposals posted to the Sprite - Midget Club USA website < http://www.Sprite-MidgetClub.org>. Click on the "Midget 50th" tab. All the proposals are excellent and this one will certainly be a tough choice that everyone gets to make. You now have until April first to read through all the proposals. Voting will begin on-line from the website beginning April 1st and ending April 5th. Many thanks to Mike Rambour who is setting up an on-line voting system which will not only tally the votes for everyone's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice, but will also ensure that we don't have any ballot box stuffing. One vote per person, please, when the voting begins. Who votes? All of you do. Since the membership of the Sprite-Midget Club USA is open to all (Sprite and Midget enthusiasts) you don't have to go through any formal membership process. The club has no meetings, no dues and everyone is a President! More information is on the website.... Many thanks to all the wonderful folks who submitted proposals. We expected 2 or 3 and we got 7 excellent bids. If you see or correspond with any of these people, be sure to offer you sincere thanks to them for throwing their hat in the ring! Thanks to their interest and effort the "50 Years of Midgets" celebration will be the best in the land!! -- Cheers!! Jim Johnson Sprite-Midget Club USA President From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 05:10:27 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:10:27 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress In-Reply-To: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> References: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: Coming along GREAT Frank! You've made a lot of progress. I like the blue light on the front of the bonnet., Tiffany going to keep it on there when you're done? :-) Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:22:24 -0400 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress > > Working on my daughter's Bugeye, the Lady Bug. > I hope to paint it next weekend. I had to cut a rear clip in half right > in the middle of the wheel wells and make one rear clip out of 2. > And you read my post on missing, I mean rusted away lower bonnet parts. > I figured all that out and I have fit the bonnet and made all necessary > tweaks.Just a bit more sanding and priming to go. > It's also de-seamed front and back. > > http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bugeye15 at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn s!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 05:14:15 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:14:15 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring 12 hours Message-ID: Anyone going to the 12 Hours of Sebring this weekend? I'm going and will be working the entrance gate Fri AM. I'll be wandering around the weekend w/ either a Spridgets or OSHIT shirt on. Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From mdrowe at optonline.net Mon Mar 16 06:18:22 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:18:22 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Even with shipping costs you should stay > well below 500 US$, and there's a possibility of omnibus order. Eric, The combined US Spridget lists are pretty large. What price/volume structure can you offer? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite in contract Long Island, NY From abcoz at hky.com Mon Mar 16 06:51:06 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:51:06 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4344B2A0685F4BDEA3303D12E5FDA9A1@OwnerPC> Jumping in late, for one of my increasingly infrequent posts........ Ed hit the nail squarely on the head. I keep seeing these posts advocating five hundred freakin/' dollar ignition systems, with eight gazillion mega-watts of spark, when all the A series engine really cares about is that the spark be delivered at the correct time. For not much more than $100, Jeff Schlemmer (Advance Distributors) will rebuild your stock distributor better than new, with an advance curve custom-tailored to your engine's needs. Better get busy and send him your worn out, broken distributor before he raises his prices! Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System > BUT Jacques... > > <<...if you have play in the shaft.>> > > There is NO LONGER ANY reason to have 'play'!!! > > Pretty sure most List Members can say Advance Distributors !!!! > > !! > > Ed From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 07:00:54 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring 12 hours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430903160700t9a7a015sb8cd5970a677cf48@mail.gmail.com> Brian, List, I have plans in NYC but when and where is it maybe I can make it if it is near NYC. Lin On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:14 AM, brian S wrote: > Anyone going to the 12 Hours of Sebring this weekend? > I'm going and will be working the entrance gate Fri AM. > I'll be wandering around the weekend w/ either a > Spridgets or OSHIT shirt on. > > Brian S. > Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From haynes386 at netzero.net Mon Mar 16 07:01:13 2009 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:01:13 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Lower A-arm bushings Message-ID: <20090316.080113.10567.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Peter- The bushings that I installed previously had flanges similar to the original Metalastic ones (i.e. the flanges were ~2+" in diameter) The ones that I received from MO$$ have just a small flange (~1.5" diameter)-almost nonexistent compared to the originals. I'm concerned about the fore-aft loading on such a small concentric area causing the bushes to allow twisting of the lower A-Arm, and subsequent premature wearing out of the bushings. What is your experience with these? Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Be there without being there. Click now for great video conferencing solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxPnB5DKzFPuLAP4wIvmBfdhQ rVMpfGhMEMYjd8A5Uu3M3kXvrhkH2/ From bighealey at charter.net Mon Mar 16 07:24:43 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:24:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Glove box shelf Message-ID: Has anybody out there made a replacement glovebox shelf to replace the cardboard ones? I would be interested in knowing how folks replaced this part. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 07:26:21 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:26:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th Anniversary event in 2011 In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903160501t65373e66x3176e980c7377e30@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e0903160501t65373e66x3176e980c7377e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903160726p20b0244fg730c0a20faef38ee@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I live in the Chicago area, but I am tired of the "vote early and vote often" routine. Could you give us an "all of the above" option? David Lieb From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 07:41:01 2009 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Glove box shelf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <86963495.2674561237214461023.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I just added a piece of luan cut to size and paintedB black on top of tyhe existing flexible plastic ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Drummond" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:24:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Spridgets] Glove box shelf Has anybody out there made a replacement glovebox shelf to replace the cardboard ones? B I would be interested in knowing how folks replaced this part. B Tracy Drummond B B B B B B B B B Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA B B B B B B B www.healey.org From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:06:06 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:06:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910903160906l7e86f316ubf938660cc90b67b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) wrote: > ... and 123ignitions will work down to about 4 volts! > > Eric > http://brits-n-pieces.com With what coil? From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 09:11:04 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:11:04 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BE7A18.8020409@comcast.net> Guy Weller wrote: > Its looking good Frank. > When you said that you had to cut it from 2 cars I had assumed that the > shell was badly rusted, but that all looks pretty solid to me. > > The original shell was hit so hard in the back that the frames were wrinkled. The donor car was so rusty, it was not worth trying to restore. So I took the rear clip from the rusty car, cut it in the middle of the wheel openings, took the rusty quarter panels and complete rear deck off of the rusty car, cut the smashed car in the same spot, replaced the rear deck with the rusty one, and welded it to the smashed car but then cut off the rusty quarters from the smashed car and replaced the rusted ones of the new rear clip. So I ended up using the rear deck and frame from the rusty car, put the 1/4s back on from the smashed car because they were just a bit wrinkled but not rusted out. All I had to buy was a new trunk floor. I just picked up the paint, tomorrow night it gets jambed out and I'll paint the underside of the bonnet and inside of the doors, engine bay and inside of the body. Seats are at the shop, interior panels are made and covered, carpet ordered, mechanicals are close to being all powder coated and/or rebuilt. From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 09:17:27 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:17:27 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Glove box shelf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BE7B97.2090902@comcast.net> Tracy Drummond wrote: > Has anybody out there made a replacement glovebox shelf to replace the > cardboard ones? > > > No Parking signs are just right, aluminum and can be bent to the same lines as the glove box. Mine just says "no parking on beach" on one of them and think the other one says "curb your dog" ;) I have also made them out of 1/4" plywood with wood 1/2 round trim as the side edges. If yours is all there and just warped, soak it in warm water for 20 minutes, put it out in the sun with some weight on it and it will dry back to it's original (or whatever) shape you stack on it. I did this to a Jaguar XJ6 headliner, it worked like a charm. From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Mar 16 11:08:19 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:08:19 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC Message-ID: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> My property abuts a high school property. Yesterday when I was on my deck I noticed 3 kids in the act of vandalizing a car parked at the school. I called the cops and took a couple of digital pics from my deck. The cops got them but the car had almost all its glass broken and some metal damage. I think the car is a donated car to the auto shop program so in one respect it's not too bad. Regardless, they shouldn't have done what they did. One was a 6th grader. Got to thinking today about Arlo Guthre and "Alice's Restaurant" and the lyric "They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us." If that song was to be written today saying; "They took 27, 9 Megapixle color digital images with Photoshopped circles and arrows and a digitally enhanced paragraph about each jpeg image" wouldn't be quite the same or have the same impact as the original lyrics. And then some of you young guys have never heard of "Alice's Restaurant." LOL btw, our police carry USB memory devices as part of their gear so they can collect pics, etc. as needed. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 16 11:26:13 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:26:13 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: The wrong advance curve unless you get someone like APT (who have a distributer curve machine) to re-curve it. In a message dated 16/03/2009 03:38:05 GMT Standard Time, pythias at pacifier.com writes: disadvantage of doing the swap if they do fit?. From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:38:43 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test Message-ID: <37dc82d40903161138x798d6c01ue472b5d3dfb26892@mail.gmail.com> Agreed, the Pertronix shows more stability on this test than points. I have had good results with a Pertronix over the last two or three years. I also carry my points along with me. Kirk 59 BE From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:47:21 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:47:21 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] "Black Box Failure" Message-ID: <37dc82d40903161147r650858bbs9ffcaa1d791f6d77@mail.gmail.com> I had an '86 Vette. I know, a dog year for Vettes. The thing would not start for me. This would happen about every month or so. There is a little electronic component residing in the top of the distributor, it is a bit "C" shaped. I figured out that all I had to do was flip it for the last one that went out and I would be able to go another month or so. When it would die again, I would flip the old one back in, and go another month. New ones would go out just as the older units. So I just kept the two of them and kept flipping them. I guess the cooling down process would allow the previous one to work again. Very strange way to live with a car. Kirk From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:59:52 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:59:52 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix Message-ID: <37dc82d40903161159g423752e9w1a25e0e3089d6aa3@mail.gmail.com> I put mine in about 2-3 years ago into a new Mallory Dual Point. There was little if any wear in the Mallory. I noticed an immediate improvement in performance - which might be related to something else that was not correct when using points. The condition of the previous points seemed to be fine. . but the setting or something might have been off. . . not sure. So far the thing as been reliable and I appreciate the performance kick that I get from it. I think they made two series of these things, the earlier one had issues. I believe I have the latter series Pertronix. Kirk 59 BE From corvallis at peoplepc.com Mon Mar 16 12:01:58 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:01:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for getting involved. Sometimes the police are busy and I get the shoulder shrug. Sounds like your Officers are on top of it. ...bill in oregon =================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Timothy H. Collins Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:08 AM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC My property abuts a high school property. Yesterday when I was on my deck I noticed 3 kids in the act of vandalizing a car parked at the school. I called the cops and took a couple of digital pics from my deck. The cops got them but the car had almost all its glass broken and some metal damage. I think the car is a donated car to the auto shop program so in one respect it's not too bad. Regardless, they shouldn't have done what they did. One was a 6th grader. Got to thinking today about Arlo Guthre and "Alice's Restaurant" and the lyric "They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us." If that song was to be written today saying; "They took 27, 9 Megapixle color digital images with Photoshopped circles and arrows and a digitally enhanced paragraph about each jpeg image" wouldn't be quite the same or have the same impact as the original lyrics. And then some of you young guys have never heard of "Alice's Restaurant." LOL btw, our police carry USB memory devices as part of their gear so they can collect pics, etc. as needed. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ _______________________________________________ From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 12:04:33 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Video Message-ID: <37dc82d40903161204w49322eb7vbc18ec0bfb1cc746@mail.gmail.com> I started a nice discussion with that 123 video! Fun to watch all the input from everyone! Kirk From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 12:09:44 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:09:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903161138x798d6c01ue472b5d3dfb26892@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161138x798d6c01ue472b5d3dfb26892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903161209v3d046b9fh76975feee314621b@mail.gmail.com> The stability is mostly due to the bushings/bearings and advance mechanism in the dizzy. The 123 Dizzy was new, and therefore more stable out of the box than used dizzys, unless they use crap for bearings and/or have bad QC. That comparison was good to show how good the new 123 is, but it was comparing apples to oranges for performance. A new dizzy with points and a new dizzy with Pertronix installed would make a better comparison. From mark at nashvilletn.org Mon Mar 16 12:15:56 2009 From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] "Black Box Failure" References: <37dc82d40903161147r650858bbs9ffcaa1d791f6d77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: BTDT, I have a friend that was a GM Tech Rep that told me 90% of the modules returned to GM were found to be good. As it turns out they were loosing the ground (sound familiar) through the base of the module. The dielectric grease would somehow cause it to become insulated over time and it would stop working. When you put the new one in all was good again for a while. I too carried a spare but finally learned after about 6 dead modules that I could just wipe it off and reinstall it with new grease. I have also had the same issue with a Pertronix one time... Been using them for about 10 years and that was my only little problem. Mark Nashville http://www.ArrestMeRed.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Hargreaves To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [Spridgets] "Black Box Failure" I had an '86 Vette. I know, a dog year for Vettes. The thing would not start for me. This would happen about every month or so. There is a little electronic component residing in the top of the distributor, it is a bit "C" shaped. I figured out that all I had to do was flip it for the last one that went out and I would be able to go another month or so. When it would die again, I would flip the old one back in, and go another month. New ones would go out just as the older units. So I just kept the two of them and kept flipping them. I guess the cooling down process would allow the previous one to work again. Very strange way to live with a car. Kirk From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 12:17:36 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:17:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: I picked that CD up not so long ago, for a buck at a yard sale. "cuz you can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant..." On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timothy H. Collins wrote: > My property abuts a high school property. Yesterday when I was on my deck I > noticed 3 kids in the act of vandalizing a car parked at the school. I > called the cops and took a couple of digital pics from my deck. The cops got > them but the car had almost all its glass broken and some metal damage. I > think the car is a donated car to the auto shop program so in one respect > it's not too bad. Regardless, they shouldn't have done what they did. One > was a 6th grader. > > Got to thinking today about Arlo Guthre and "Alice's Restaurant" and the > lyric "They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling > prints, and they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs > with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining > what each one was to be used as evidence against us." If that song was to > be written today saying; "They took 27, 9 Megapixle color digital images > with Photoshopped circles and arrows and a digitally enhanced paragraph > about each jpeg image" wouldn't be quite the same or have the same impact as > the original lyrics. And then some of you young guys have never heard of > "Alice's Restaurant." LOL btw, our police carry USB memory devices as part > of their gear so they can collect pics, etc. as needed. > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/_______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 12:32:43 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:32:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903161159g423752e9w1a25e0e3089d6aa3@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161159g423752e9w1a25e0e3089d6aa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903161232s1689e504me268502b0c187f6f@mail.gmail.com> You probably would have noticed the same improvement if you had installed the Mallory with dual points. The advance curve was probably much better. From millerls at ado13.com Mon Mar 16 12:33:25 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:33:25 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Check a Mini For Me In Colorado Springs CO References: <49BE9C21.9000608@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. List member JLC has volunteered to check out the Mini engine for me. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Fox" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re:Check a Mini For Me In Colorado Springs CO > Larry, > > My sister lives in Colorado Springs and her husband is an old hand at MGs. > Since he's currently got time on his hands after his company closed at the > end of the year, he could do what you need. > > Let me know what you've got and I'll put you two together. > > Lee > St. Louis > '79 Midget From millerls at ado13.com Mon Mar 16 12:40:14 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:40:14 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix References: <37dc82d40903161159g423752e9w1a25e0e3089d6aa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have been running the Pertronix for 8 years now installed in an Aldon Yellow centrifugal dizzy with no problems. I do however carry a known good replacement unit that I picked up at a swap meet, in my parts bag. :-) Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix >I put mine in about 2-3 years ago into a new Mallory Dual Point. > > There was little if any wear in the Mallory. I noticed an immediate > improvement in performance - which might be related to something else that > was not correct when using points. The condition of the previous points > seemed to be fine. . but the setting or something might have been off. . . > not sure. > > So far the thing as been reliable and I appreciate the performance kick > that > I get from it. > > I think they made two series of these things, the earlier one had issues. > I > believe I have the latter series Pertronix. > > Kirk > 59 > BE From millerls at ado13.com Mon Mar 16 12:43:44 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:43:44 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Check a Mini For Me In Colorado Springs CO References: <49BE9C21.9000608@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. List member JLC has volunteered to check out the Mini engine for me. Larry From mdrowe at optonline.net Mon Mar 16 13:24:14 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903161209v3d046b9fh76975feee314621b@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161138x798d6c01ue472b5d3dfb26892@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903161209v3d046b9fh76975feee314621b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83866A33746E450895639069ADB257A6@Home> In one of the tests, you can see the shaft wobbling. Michael Rowe From refisk at chartermi.net Mon Mar 16 13:25:23 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:25:23 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> CD??? I have the original vinyl album, bought when it was first released. Course I'm old. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Fornal" To: "Timothy H. Collins" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC >I picked that CD up not so long ago, for a buck at a yard sale. > "cuz you can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant..." From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 16 13:44:57 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:44:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <89F59C1D7F534640A73258E802295734@MAINCOMPUTER> I don't want to give my age away but there I was on the group "W" bench with the mother rapers and father rapers. I still have the vinyl 33 1/3 album. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Collins" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC > My property abuts a high school property. Yesterday when I was on my > deck I noticed 3 kids in the act of vandalizing a car parked at the > school. I called the cops and took a couple of digital pics from my > deck. The cops got them but the car had almost all its glass broken > and some metal damage. I think the car is a donated car to the auto > shop program so in one respect it's not too bad. Regardless, they > shouldn't have done what they did. One was a 6th grader. > > Got to thinking today about Arlo Guthre and "Alice's Restaurant" and > the lyric "They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog > smelling prints, and they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour > glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the > back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence > against us." If that song was to be written today saying; "They took > 27, 9 Megapixle color digital images with Photoshopped circles and > arrows and a digitally enhanced paragraph about each jpeg image" > wouldn't be quite the same or have the same impact as the original > lyrics. And then some of you young guys have never heard of "Alice's > Restaurant." LOL btw, our police carry USB memory devices as part of > their gear so they can collect pics, etc. as needed. > > Tim Collins > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 16 13:46:59 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:46:59 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] "Black Box Failure" References: <37dc82d40903161147r650858bbs9ffcaa1d791f6d77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CE5B8B5EEA7490E9DE24FD131FAC77B@MAINCOMPUTER> That is the coil pack for the HEI ignition. GM garbage. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: [Spridgets] "Black Box Failure" >I had an '86 Vette. I know, a dog year for Vettes. The thing would not > start for me. This would happen about every month or so. > > There is a little electronic component residing in the top of the > distributor, it is a bit "C" shaped. > > I figured out that all I had to do was flip it for the last one that went > out and I would be able to go another month or so. When it would die > again, > I would flip the old one back in, and go another month. > > New ones would go out just as the older units. So I just kept the two of > them and kept flipping them. I guess the cooling down process would allow > the previous one to work again. Very strange way to live with a car. > > Kirk > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 From jimndi at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 16 13:52:40 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:52:40 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <34C2BB24FF604C1D8E23C3894BCF531A@MAINCOMPUTER> 'ceptin alice 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Fornal" To: "Timothy H. Collins" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC >I picked that CD up not so long ago, for a buck at a yard sale. > "cuz you can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant..." > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timothy H. Collins > wrote: > >> My property abuts a high school property. Yesterday when I was on my deck >> I >> noticed 3 kids in the act of vandalizing a car parked at the school. I >> called the cops and took a couple of digital pics from my deck. The cops >> got >> them but the car had almost all its glass broken and some metal damage. I >> think the car is a donated car to the auto shop program so in one respect >> it's not too bad. Regardless, they shouldn't have done what they did. One >> was a 6th grader. >> >> Got to thinking today about Arlo Guthre and "Alice's Restaurant" and the >> lyric "They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling >> prints, and they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs >> with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one >> explaining >> what each one was to be used as evidence against us." If that song was >> to >> be written today saying; "They took 27, 9 Megapixle color digital images >> with Photoshopped circles and arrows and a digitally enhanced paragraph >> about each jpeg image" wouldn't be quite the same or have the same impact >> as >> the original lyrics. And then some of you young guys have never heard of >> "Alice's Restaurant." LOL btw, our police carry USB memory devices as >> part >> of their gear so they can collect pics, etc. as needed. >> >> Tim Collins >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/_______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > > > > -- > DON JULIO 1942 > > www.myspace.com/tequilabrad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 13:58:36 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:58:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903161232s1689e504me268502b0c187f6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161159g423752e9w1a25e0e3089d6aa3@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903161232s1689e504me268502b0c187f6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903161358n6fad10eena85e6840bc39c63a@mail.gmail.com> > You probably would have noticed the same improvement if you had > installed the Mallory with dual points. > The advance curve was probably much better. derF, The advance curve of the Mallory is not affected by whether you are running the dual points or the Pertronix. This is not the first case I have heard of a Spridget with a dual-point Mallory being very happy that they installed the Pertronix in it. Mallories are also prone to failure of the condenser, just like the Lucas. divaD beiL From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Mar 16 14:04:27 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:04:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <49BEBEDB.6070104@wi.net> Brad Fornal wrote: > I picked that CD up not so long ago, for a buck at a yard sale. > "cuz you can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant..." > ".........'ceptin' Alice." Dave W. From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 14:24:16 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:24:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix In-Reply-To: <402188520903161358n6fad10eena85e6840bc39c63a@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161159g423752e9w1a25e0e3089d6aa3@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903161232s1689e504me268502b0c187f6f@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903161358n6fad10eena85e6840bc39c63a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903161424r7bdea4edo804b02f18b155f85@mail.gmail.com> My point was that if you have a properly set up dual point Mallory and you remove the points and put in a Pertronix, you should not see a noticeable performance increase. If you do, then something was wrong with the points. I may have misunderstood Kirk's OP. I read that he put a Pertronix into a new Mallory dizzy, i.e. he didn't run the car with the dual points. I was commenting that any performance increase would be attributed to the Mallory and its curve instead of points versus Pertronix. I like Pertronix. They are an improvement over points, IMHO. But, you should not expect a noticeable performance difference over properly set up points if all other factors are the same and you are running at non-race RPMs. You can expect less maintenance and longer life from Pertronix, I think. I agree, condenser is a weak link in the points chain. From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 14:26:15 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:26:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: <03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> <03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903161426p4fcf1dc6of5f4c9708294b74c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Rick wrote: > CD??? I have the original vinyl album, bought when it was first released. > Course I'm old. :-) > Just hang out with Ed. Then you will be young. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 14:27:00 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:27:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: <03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> <03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> Message-ID: back in the day, when you sat at home on your bean bag chair, with your Koss Turbo Headphones on, reading liner notes, wishing you had a car, ANY CAR, and possibly under the influence of things not legal then, or now, records were cool. Now, while in my old (2005) Nissan, I just have the CDs. I aint upscale enough to have iPod hookups in my vehicle. Has anyone ever tried to install a portable record player in their Spridget? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Rick wrote: > CD??? I have the original vinyl album, bought when it was first released. > Course I'm old. :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Fornal" > To: "Timothy H. Collins" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC > > > I picked that CD up not so long ago, for a buck at a yard sale. >> "cuz you can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant..." >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Mar 16 14:34:54 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:34:54 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <4344B2A0685F4BDEA3303D12E5FDA9A1@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Bud, I don't have any objections against rebuilding and recurving mechanical distributors, but I would surely like to know how these people from Advance Distributors know which curves suit best the many differently modified engines out there. And, who did you get the price of 500 Dollars from? And, have you ever read a detailed description of the 123ignition system and understood how some features of the 123ignition work which a mechanical distributor does not and cannot offer? Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:51 PM To: Ed's Shop; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System Jumping in late, for one of my increasingly infrequent posts........ Ed hit the nail squarely on the head. I keep seeing these posts advocating five hundred freakin/' dollar ignition systems, with eight gazillion mega-watts of spark, when all the A series engine really cares about is that the spark be delivered at the correct time. For not much more than $100, Jeff Schlemmer (Advance Distributors) will rebuild your stock distributor better than new, with an advance curve custom-tailored to your engine's needs. Better get busy and send him your worn out, broken distributor before he raises his prices! Bud Osbourne From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Mar 16 14:36:11 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:36:11 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903160906l7e86f316ubf938660cc90b67b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: With a 6 volt coil -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of derf Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:06 PM To: eric.frenken at brits-n-pieces.com Cc: S pridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertonix Vice Points Vice 123 System On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) wrote: > ... and 123ignitions will work down to about 4 volts! > > Eric > http://brits-n-pieces.com With what coil? From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Mar 16 14:44:56 2009 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:44:56 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903161209v3d046b9fh76975feee314621b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: derf, the 123ignition will stay stable throughout its life. There are no wearing parts in it. It lacks the springs and the bob-weights down in the base of the dizzy housing, where most of the instability comes from. Everything is controlled electronically. The video is IMHO not comparing apples to oranges, it's comparing real life scenarios. Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of derf Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:10 PM To: Kirk Hargreaves Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test The stability is mostly due to the bushings/bearings and advance mechanism in the dizzy. The 123 Dizzy was new, and therefore more stable out of the box than used dizzys, unless they use crap for bearings and/or have bad QC. That comparison was good to show how good the new 123 is, but it was comparing apples to oranges for performance. A new dizzy with points and a new dizzy with Pertronix installed would make a better comparison. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 16 14:49:53 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:49:53 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hoses - single or a set Message-ID: Hi List, I have someone interested in a set of silicone hoses for their Spridget but really need more than just one set to place an order on the manufacturer. Each hose is made individually, in England. Colours available are Black, Blue or Purple with or without the manufacturers logo. I guess if there was a big demand I could maybe get some made in green. I'm not sure what the current price is because I'd need to check the dollar to pound exchange rate first. However, bear in mind I make nothing on the vertical flow hoses as I don't own the tooling and very little on the crossflow hoses even though I do own the tooling. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 From hammack at GotSlack.org Mon Mar 16 14:57:57 2009 From: hammack at GotSlack.org (Jim Hammack) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: <89F59C1D7F534640A73258E802295734@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> <89F59C1D7F534640A73258E802295734@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <49BECB65.9050001@GotSlack.org> /GNTBCA: Permission denied From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 14:59:42 2009 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th Anniversary event in 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BECBCE.5060908@sbcglobal.net> Jim, Good work on getting seven excellent proposals for Midget 50 in 2011. One question. Why limit the voting to only five days? That seems awfully restrictive and would limit the voting potential for no good reason that I can determine. What about all those folks that get don't get to read their email everyday? I know if I get busy I can easily get backed up and be a week behind before I know it. As a fellow "President" of the Sprite-Midget Club USA, I propose leaving the balloting open at least until the 15th or, better yet, the entire month of April. This way we can also have some good discussion about the merits of each proposal before we finally cast our ballots. I'll even supply the purple ink for our fingers to show we've voted. A motion is on the table. Do I hear a second? Lee Fox President, Sprite-Midget Club USA Gateway Region Message: 12 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:01:49 -0500 From: Jim Johnson Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th Anniversary event in 2011 To: Spridgets , "Midget/Sprite" , Sprite , Sprite-MidgetClub at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <43840a7e0903160501t65373e66x3176e980c7377e30 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Spridgeteers, The deadline for submissions of venue proposals has now passed and there are 7 proposals posted to the Sprite - Midget Club USA website < http://www.Sprite-MidgetClub.org>. Click on the "Midget 50th" tab. All the proposals are excellent and this one will certainly be a tough choice that everyone gets to make. You now have until April first to read through all the proposals. Voting will begin on-line from the website beginning April 1st and ending April 5th. Many thanks to Mike Rambour who is setting up an on-line voting system which will not only tally the votes for everyone's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice, but will also ensure that we don't have any ballot box stuffing. One vote per person, please, when the voting begins. Who votes? All of you do. Since the membership of the Sprite-Midget Club USA is open to all (Sprite and Midget enthusiasts) you don't have to go through any formal membership process. The club has no meetings, no dues and everyone is a President! More information is on the website.... Many thanks to all the wonderful folks who submitted proposals. We expected 2 or 3 and we got 7 excellent bids. If you see or correspond with any of these people, be sure to offer you sincere thanks to them for throwing their hat in the ring! Thanks to their interest and effort the "50 Years of Midgets" celebration will be the best in the land!! -- Cheers!! Jim Johnson Sprite-Midget Club USA President From refisk at chartermi.net Mon Mar 16 15:06:16 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:06:16 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> <03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> Message-ID: <046c01c9a683$6db5d710$6401a8c0@refisk> I already owned my Bugeye when I bought that album. :-) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Fornal To: Rick Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC back in the day, when you sat at home on your bean bag chair, with your Koss Turbo Headphones on, reading liner notes, wishing you had a car, ANY CAR, and possibly under the influence of things not legal then, or now, records were cool............. From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 15:25:27 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Glove box shelf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <854119.72156.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Tracy Drummond wrote: Has anybody out there made a replacement glovebox shelf to replace the cardboard ones? Glovebox? What's that? I've got deep footwells and a trunk, and two foldy chairs in the bags fit behind the seats... David Booker '71 Gloveboxless Midget Long Island From corvallis at peoplepc.com Mon Mar 16 15:28:15 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:28:15 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu><03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> Message-ID: <9D85DFA07EB84746AA7245D917CCD81B@spider> HI-Fl RECORD PLAYER AVAILABLE FOR 1956 CHRYSLER CORPORATION CARS http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Accessories/HiWay/Chrysler.htm ============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Fornal Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:27 PM To: Rick Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC back in the day, when you sat at home on your bean bag chair, with your Koss Turbo Headphones on, reading liner notes, wishing you had a car, ANY CAR, and possibly under the influence of things not legal then, or now, records were cool. Now, while in my old (2005) Nissan, I just have the CDs. I ain't upscale enough to have iPod hookups in my vehicle. Has anyone ever tried to install a portable record player in their Spridget? From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 15:45:55 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:45:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fat Fingers - Midget 50th Proposals Message-ID: <43840a7e0903161545x7c96e047hd08bf33fda3c4c7b@mail.gmail.com> Sincere apologies.... I fat fingered a couple of file names on the website last night. All is fixed now. Thanks to those who kindly let me know.... -- Cheers!! Jim Johnson Sprite-Midget Club USA From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 15:48:38 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <383763.25189.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Brad Fornal wrote: "things not legal then, or now.." I actually had a friend in college who had a prescription because of some eye condition he had - was it maybe glaucoma? He could go to the pharmacy and they'd give him a bottle with a label and everything. Used to crack us all up. Of course like anything government controlled, the private sector had much better available. BTW - I still have the vinyl version too. Anybody else LOVE the Motorcycle Song? "I don't want a pickle..." David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 16:00:34 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hoses - single or a set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <830032.82756.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I may well be the only one on the list who doesn't know this, but they say the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked ('till I open MY mouth, anyway)... What are the benefits of silicon hoses besides the obvious one that they look really cool? Father Jack's look great in Blue. - David Booker '71 (Crossflow) Midget Long Island --- On Mon, 3/16/09, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hoses - single or a set To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:49 PM Hi List, I have someone interested in a set of silicone hoses for their Spridget but really need more than just one set to place an order on the manufacturer. Each hose is made individually, in England. Colours available are Black, Blue or Purple with or without the manufacturers logo. I guess if there was a big demand I could maybe get some made in green. I'm not sure what the current price is because I'd need to check the dollar to pound exchange rate first. However, bear in mind I make nothing on the vertical flow hoses as I don't own the tooling and very little on the crossflow hoses even though I do own the tooling. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 16:12:07 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring 12 hours In-Reply-To: <205cef430903160700t9a7a015sb8cd5970a677cf48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6456.42637.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Near is a relative term - Sebring is in Florida. (it's closer than LeMans) --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Linda Grunthaner wrote: From: Linda Grunthaner Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sebring 12 hours To: "brian S" Cc: "spridgets list" Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:00 AM Brian, List, I have plans in NYC but when and where is it maybe I can make it if it is near NYC. Lin On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:14 AM, brian S wrote: > Anyone going to the 12 Hours of Sebring this weekend? > I'm going and will be working the entrance gate Fri AM. > I'll be wandering around the weekend w/ either a > Spridgets or OSHIT shirt on. > > Brian S. > Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 16:14:53 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:14:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress In-Reply-To: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> References: <49BC6660.9050306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903161614i1313be77s88c17a5df2ef8700@mail.gmail.com> Like Brian said... The blue light is cool. What was it being used as? A fire engine? ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Frank wrote: > Working on my daughter's Bugeye, the Lady Bug. > I hope to paint it next weekend. I had to cut a rear clip in half right in > the middle of the wheel wells and make one rear clip out of 2. > And you read my post on missing, I mean rusted away lower bonnet parts. I > figured all that out and I have fit the bonnet and made all necessary > tweaks.Just a bit more sanding and priming to go. > It's also de-seamed front and back. > > http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/ From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 16 17:23:46 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:23:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th Anniversary event in 2011 In-Reply-To: <49BECBCE.5060908@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <> Yeah Lee, just too bad three (3) of the links DON'T work!! I just LOVE it when: a] when the proposals aren't even ON the site but on somebody's lame personal site!! b] when site "author" doesn't check his OWN 'work'!! <> Second (and for the reasons you wrote !!). And I ALSO 'second' divaD beiL's idea of: "Could you give us an "all of the above" option?" !!! From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 16:46:41 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:46:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9910903161209v3d046b9fh76975feee314621b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903161646x2d6def08td90498a716d60f1d@mail.gmail.com> It is not my intention to demean the 123. I think they are great. It is nice that someone brought newer technology to older applications. No wearing parts? Is there not a shaft that turns in bearings or bushings? The shafts are gear driven, right? Is the Pertronix better than original points? I think so. Is the 123 better than Pertronix? I think so. Is there a "dramatic" difference in performance that can be realized by your average Spridget owner by installing either system over properly set up points? I am not so sure. Again, 123s are great, but if you points are working good, do. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 17:02:48 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's Message-ID: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> Happy St. Patty's everyone. I'll be toasting y'all tomorrow with a shot of Jameson and washing it down with a Guinness. Hope you can do the same. Erin Go Bragh, LAD (With a bit of the Irish in him, but married to an Irishwoman) From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Mon Mar 16 17:11:14 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: <383763.25189.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090317001116.KBO16454.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> I still like The Pause of Mr. Claus "Santa Claus wears a red suit, he's a communist..." I recall getting in trouble in middle school for singing that one. Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Booker Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:49 PM To: Rick; Brad Fornal Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Brad Fornal wrote: "things not legal then, or now.." I actually had a friend in college who had a prescription because of some eye condition he had - was it maybe glaucoma? He could go to the pharmacy and they'd give him a bottle with a label and everything. Used to crack us all up. Of course like anything government controlled, the private sector had much better available. BTW - I still have the vinyl version too. Anybody else LOVE the Motorcycle Song? "I don't want a pickle..." David Booker '71 Midget Long Island You are subscribed as cmanuel at wi.rr.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 17:38:07 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress In-Reply-To: <49BE7A18.8020409@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54909.20919.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Frank wrote: > So I ended up using the rear deck and frame from the rusty > car, put the 1/4s back on from the smashed car because they > were just a bit wrinkled but not rusted out. > All I had to buy was a new trunk floor. To put this in perspective, during the same time frame, I changed a wheel bearing. Ron From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 18:00:37 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie Message-ID: <787634.48798.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just wanted to update those of you have expressed interest in the La Carrera Panamericana Studebaker Starliner Coupe that Don Shelton has graciously offered to Jeff Porasik and I to pilot. Because of all the crap going on in Mexico, Don has decided to run the car in the Targa Newfoundland instead. Personally, I find this to be a fantastic option, and am very psyched. The car is nearing completion, and will make its debut at Road America this fall at the ELVF. Jeff and I will co-drive it in the Enduro and likely whatever production group it ends up in (possibly Group 6 with the NASCORvettes). If anyone is interested in coming up to Newfoundland in Sept 2010, let me know! Woerpel seems to be in already. I think we may have lost our sponsorship (a parts distributor in Mexico), so "Will Drive For Food"! Ron Soave From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 18:05:20 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:05:20 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5plu9g@email.mtu.edu> <03d601c9a675$562639e0$6401a8c0@refisk> Message-ID: <49BEF750.8050204@comcast.net> Brad Fornal wrote: > Has anyone ever tried to install a portable record player in their Spridget? > CDs skip in my Bugeye Sprite but the 8 tracks are still great in my 67 Sprite ;) I never did buy Alice's Restaurant on vinyl, tape, or disc. I can hear it every Thanksgiving at noon on several radio stations around here. Once a year is enough. Now if they would only start playing Jesus Christ Superstar on Easter again.... My first concert in a Sprite was that show at an Easter sunrise service somewhere in Jersey. Or was it Philly? From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 18:09:32 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:09:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hoses - single or a set In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BEF84C.5060302@comcast.net> WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > > I have someone interested in a set of silicone hoses for their Spridget but > really need more than just one set to place an order on the manufacturer. > > Daniel I would like a set, down flow, black or blue. If you do red, I'll take another set for the Lady Bug, again down flow. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 18:15:09 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:15:09 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hoses - single or a set References: <830032.82756.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <230047BB069A4A16AAD948C7E7EA0361@blackbox2> Silicone rubber does not dry rot like other types of rubbers, so it will last a really long time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Booker" What are the benefits of silicon hoses besides the obvious one > that they look really cool? Father Jack's look great in Blue. > - David Booker From andrewpayne at intrex.net Mon Mar 16 18:42:41 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:42:41 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Where should I advertise this Midget ? In-Reply-To: <346131.26376.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <346131.26376.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had good luck selling a Porsche 931 on Grassroots motorsports. As a side note, the $2009 forum moves items pretty quickly. Drew -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 11:16 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Where should I advertise this Midget ? Bring it to a vintage race at Road America in May, July (svra.com), or September (www.vscda.org), that's where the money is. Speaking of which...I was walking the dogs today and one of our neighbor's garages was open and the most beautifully restored TR6 I have ever seen was peeking out. I went up to look at it, and it turns out he bought the car new in 1976 in college. I tried to give him parts contact infornmation, he shook his head and said that all told he's put less than $1000 in the car over 33 years. It is not restored. It is not patina'd. I'll have pictures soon. He doesn't usually keep it at this house. Ron Soave From Miniac7 at aol.com Mon Mar 16 19:00:23 2009 From: Miniac7 at aol.com (Miniac7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:00:23 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Sebring 12 hours Message-ID: I'll be there from Friday night thru Sunday morning. Dark blue with anthracite roof '06 MINI Cooper S with Virginia rear tag "BIMMINI". Howard Collins **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Mon Mar 16 19:54:20 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:54:20 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Luggage Compartment/Trunk lid question Message-ID: <20090317025422.XIJT27662.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> HI all- Taking advantage of a rare warm and dry March afternoon, I decided to align some of the body pieces on my '66. Now I realize this is no robotically built post 90's built Lexinfinity, but is there a standard rule for gaps? Other than "great! It doesn't rub!" My trunk lid (there I said it; TRUNK) might have been flattened out at one time, or else grew larger. The gaps on the sides and top (towards passenger area) are more or less equal, but the bottom towards the bumper area less than an 1/8th inch. Do I try to re-curl this with a 2x4 or find a better lid or? Chris 66MKIII Brookfield, WI From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Mar 16 20:24:53 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <787634.48798.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <787634.48798.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BF1805.3090803@wi.net> Hell yes I'm in! Gotta go to bed now....heart cath tomorrow at 7am. Maybe they'll give me a lube job too. Dave W. Ron Soave wrote: > Just wanted to update those of you have expressed interest in the La Carrera Panamericana Studebaker Starliner Coupe that Don Shelton has graciously offered to Jeff Porasik and I to pilot. Because of all the crap going on in Mexico, Don has decided to run the car in the Targa Newfoundland instead. Personally, I find this to be a fantastic option, and am very psyched. The car is nearing completion, and will make its debut at Road America this fall at the ELVF. Jeff and I will co-drive it in the Enduro and likely whatever production group it ends up in (possibly Group 6 with the NASCORvettes). If anyone is interested in coming up to Newfoundland in Sept 2010, let me know! Woerpel seems to be in already. I think we may have lost our sponsorship (a parts distributor in Mexico), so "Will Drive For Food"! > > Ron Soave From wmgilroy at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 22:20:40 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:20:40 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th Anniversary event in 2011 In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903160501t65373e66x3176e980c7377e30@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e0903160501t65373e66x3176e980c7377e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF3328.2050307@gmail.com> /pybIAe: Permission denied From grunthaner at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 02:13:30 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:13:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Who owns this pink & white Bugeye? Message-ID: <205cef430903170213v3fba896ao6ebe04ab1cddaf01@mail.gmail.com> List, Anyone know who owns this pink & white Bugeye? Wonder what color code it is, looks cool with the white interior. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stormbear/244989633/in/set-72157594287135173/ From grunthaner at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 03:07:02 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:07:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Video In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903161204w49322eb7vbc18ec0bfb1cc746@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161204w49322eb7vbc18ec0bfb1cc746@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903170307t685bc83tbabb0a70c420d03b@mail.gmail.com> Yes Kirk you did I finally saw the video and if I understand correctly the flashing light is showing the eclectonic 123 ignition component timing which is keeping the timing in place (lack of proper word discription). And the old points style is throwing the timing off right? I am still a real novice on the electrical components but I really want to learn all about it as it is so damn interesting to me. What are the disadvantages of the electronic ignitions and I see in the pictures they have used the old distributor with an electronic component in place of the points do I have that right? Is that so you can give the appearance of the vintage look or just cheaper or both? I am thinking of going electronic so I have a more reliable Spridget. Lin On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > I started a nice discussion with that 123 video! Fun to watch all the > input > from everyone! > > Kirk > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 03:32:15 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:32:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings Message-ID: I can't seem to recall, what is the average number of clicks you should have on your E brake when you have it set correctly? Also, the guy that turned my brake drums mentioned that they were out of round. He says it is from letting the car sit with the E Brake on for a year or better. Something to think about, for those that have their projects sitting. Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Mar 17 04:51:15 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:51:15 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5170B507A0124FB6A5753CFC2C708749@spider> A few clicks, but the shoes are not rubbing on the drums when it's not set. ...bill in oregon =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Fornal Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:32 AM To: Spridget list; Yahoo Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings I can't seem to recall, what is the average number of clicks you should have on your E brake when you have it set correctly? Also, the guy that turned my brake drums mentioned that they were out of round. He says it is from letting the car sit with the E Brake on for a year or better. Something to think about, for those that have their projects sitting. Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 05:17:26 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:17:26 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> Message-ID: Erin go Braless!! ( and Ireland Forever! ) Me mother's name was O'Reilly, and me father's mother's name was Keenan! I'm aiming for a Kilkenny tonight. Robert O'Duquette ---------------------------------------- > From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:02:48 -0500 > Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's > > Happy St. Patty's everyone. > > I'll be toasting y'all tomorrow with a shot of Jameson and washing it down > with a Guinness. Hope you can do the same. > > > Erin Go Bragh, > > LAD > > (With a bit of the Irish in him, but married to an Irishwoman) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca > > http://www.team.net/archive From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 05:21:48 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:21:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> Message-ID: <05FBD318B793474087CB7EC653960BE0@Larry> We can't get a Kilkenny in the States. Closest we can come to that is a Smithwick's. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Spridgets" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's Erin go Braless!! ( and Ireland Forever! ) Me mother's name was O'Reilly, and me father's mother's name was Keenan! I'm aiming for a Kilkenny tonight. Robert O'Duquette ---------------------------------------- > From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:02:48 -0500 > Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's > > Happy St. Patty's everyone. > > I'll be toasting y'all tomorrow with a shot of Jameson and washing it down > with a Guinness. Hope you can do the same. > > > Erin Go Bragh, > > LAD > > (With a bit of the Irish in him, but married to an Irishwoman) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 05:42:39 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:42:39 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St Pat's - NO LBC In-Reply-To: <7EBAB7C0A9684341A96C1862B716384B0169D7A2@onottaxms1.AGR.GC.CA> References: <7EBAB7C0A9684341A96C1862B716384B0169D7A2@onottaxms1.AGR.GC.CA> Message-ID: An Irishman is sitting at the end of a bar. He sees a lamp at the end of the table. He walks down to it and rubs it. Out pops a genie. It says, "I will give you three wishes." The man thinks awhile. Finally he says, "I want a beer that never is empty." With that, the genie makes a poof sound and on the bar is a bottle of beer. The Irishman starts drinking it and right before it is gone, it starts to refill. The genie asks about his next two wishes. From kbainrace at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 05:48:06 2009 From: kbainrace at gmail.com (Kurt Bain) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:48:06 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking former lister Gary Speckman's email Message-ID: <4d1599d10903170548m499f7528j300d4652995e53db@mail.gmail.com> Taking a long shot here, but does anyone have an email address or phone number for Gary Speckman? We've learned he recently puchased a historically significant Healey and we have some original parts from the car. TIA KB From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 05:49:15 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:49:15 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's set correctly, it shouldn't click. ;) Now, when you're 'setting it', that's a different question! :) Push your project ahead until the wheels do a quarter rotation; set the e-brake again; and ignore the project for the same amount of time. It might just work out! :) Ah, too late ... you paid to have them turned! Robert O'Duquette ( My brother would have been 47 today. ) ---------------------------------------- > > I can't seem to recall, what is the average number of clicks you should have > on your E brake when you have it set correctly? > Also, the guy that turned my brake drums mentioned that they were out of > round. He says it is from letting the car sit with the E Brake on for a year > or better. > Something to think about, for those that have their projects sitting. From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Mar 17 05:52:04 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:52:04 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Video In-Reply-To: <205cef430903170307t685bc83tbabb0a70c420d03b@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161204w49322eb7vbc18ec0bfb1cc746@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903170307t685bc83tbabb0a70c420d03b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <924576155.20090317055204@pacifier.com> Hello Linda, The disadvantage of electronic is initial cost. points and condesor--$10 max? .. electronic $100 and up. The idea isn't so much to have a stock appearance, tho that is important to some, but to keep the costs down. Also, in the event of failure to be able to quickly go back to points. As a side note, the pertronix makes no internal changes so its a quick swap back, but the CRANE (of which I have never heard a failure) you have to cut the "points locating post" off. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "I always pray to St. Ignatius," said Tom loyally. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 05:54:34 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For only $20 to have them turned, and have everything new throughout, it was worth the piece of mind. I just didn't know about the long term effects of letting the E brake be under tension. Brad On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:49 AM, wrote: > > If it's set correctly, it shouldn't click. ;) > > Now, when you're 'setting it', that's a different question! :) > > Push your project ahead until the wheels do a quarter rotation; set the > e-brake again; and ignore the project for the same amount of time. It might > just work out! :) Ah, too late ... you paid to have them turned! > > Robert O'Duquette > ( My brother would have been 47 today. ) > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > I can't seem to recall, what is the average number of clicks you should > have > > on your E brake when you have it set correctly? > > Also, the guy that turned my brake drums mentioned that they were out of > > round. He says it is from letting the car sit with the E Brake on for a > year > > or better. > > Something to think about, for those that have their projects sitting. > > > > Brad > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 06:03:58 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:03:58 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wouldn't have guessed that side effect either. I would have been more concerned about cable stretch. ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:54:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] E brake settings > From: tequila.brad at gmail.com > To: robertduquette at sympatico.ca > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net; midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com > > For only $20 to have them turned, and have everything new throughout, it was worth the piece of mind. > I just didn't know about the long term effects of letting the E brake be under tension. > > Brad > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:49 AM,> wrote: > > > > If it's set correctly, it shouldn't click. ;) > > > > Now, when you're 'setting it', that's a different question! :) > > > > Push your project ahead until the wheels do a quarter rotation; set the e-brake again; and ignore the project for the same amount of time. It might just work out! :) Ah, too late ... you paid to have them turned! > > > > Robert O'Duquette > > ( My brother would have been 47 today. ) > > > > ---------------------------------------- > >> > >> I can't seem to recall, what is the average number of clicks you should have > >> on your E brake when you have it set correctly? > >> Also, the guy that turned my brake drums mentioned that they were out of > >> round. He says it is from letting the car sit with the E Brake on for a year > >> or better. > >> Something to think about, for those that have their projects sitting. > >> > >> Brad > > > > -- > DON JULIO 1942 From nory1 at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 17 06:05:07 2009 From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:05:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St Pat's - NO LBC In-Reply-To: References: <7EBAB7C0A9684341A96C1862B716384B0169D7A2@onottaxms1.AGR.GC.CA> Message-ID: <0176F6D0-96D1-4B03-85AF-BEB5531F12DD@roadrunner.com> isn't there something missing here?? Or is this just a really bad joke?? On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM, wrote: > An Irishman is sitting at the end of a bar. He sees a lamp at the > end of the > table. He walks down to it and rubs it. Out pops a genie. It says, > "I will > give you three wishes." > The man thinks awhile. Finally he says, "I want a beer that never is > empty." > With that, the genie makes a poof sound and on the bar is a bottle > of beer. > The Irishman starts drinking it and right before it is gone, it > starts to > refill. The genie asks about his next two wishes. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as nory1 at roadrunner.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 06:07:21 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:07:21 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St Pat's - NO LBC In-Reply-To: <0176F6D0-96D1-4B03-85AF-BEB5531F12DD@roadrunner.com> References: <7EBAB7C0A9684341A96C1862B716384B0169D7A2@onottaxms1.AGR.GC.CA> <0176F6D0-96D1-4B03-85AF-BEB5531F12DD@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: There is indeed! ( So someone reads my emails!!! :) ) "The man says, "I want two more of these."" ---------------------------------------- > From: nory1 at roadrunner.com > > isn't there something missing here?? Or is this just a really bad > joke?? > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:42 AM,>> wrote: > >> An Irishman is sitting at the end of a bar. He sees a lamp at the >> end of the >> table. He walks down to it and rubs it. Out pops a genie. It says, >> "I will >> give you three wishes." >> The man thinks awhile. Finally he says, "I want a beer that never is >> empty." >> With that, the genie makes a poof sound and on the bar is a bottle >> of beer. >> The Irishman starts drinking it and right before it is gone, it >> starts to From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 06:11:20 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:11:20 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] LadyBug progress In-Reply-To: <54909.20919.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49BE7A18.8020409@comcast.net> <54909.20919.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And I did nothing but think ... It's amazing, isn't it? ( Frank's prowess, not my thinking! :) ) ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:38:07 -0700 > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Frank wrote: >> So I ended up using the rear deck and frame from the rusty >> car, put the 1/4s back on from the smashed car because they >> were just a bit wrinkled but not rusted out. >> All I had to buy was a new trunk floor. > > To put this in perspective, during the same time frame, I changed a wheel bearing. From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Mar 17 06:16:10 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:16:10 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St Pat's - NO LBC In-Reply-To: References: <7EBAB7C0A9684341A96C1862B716384B0169D7A2@onottaxms1.AGR.GC.CA> <0176F6D0-96D1-4B03-85AF-BEB5531F12DD@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <706736261.20090317061610@pacifier.com> Hello, What's looooooooong and green and has an IQ of 50? The St. Patrick's Day Parade. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "It looks like elephant dung," said Tom in Zulu. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 06:19:29 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:19:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie References: <787634.48798.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <677830B317C64C80B8938E8DB69CCAFE@Larry> You need a sponsor, Ron? Try GE Aviation. I see the stock has gone up a bit since we talked at Elkhart. Hope you bought some more. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie Just wanted to update those of you have expressed interest in the La Carrera Panamericana Studebaker Starliner Coupe that Don Shelton has graciously offered to Jeff Porasik and I to pilot. Because of all the crap going on in Mexico, Don has decided to run the car in the Targa Newfoundland instead. Personally, I find this to be a fantastic option, and am very psyched. The car is nearing completion, and will make its debut at Road America this fall at the ELVF. Jeff and I will co-drive it in the Enduro and likely whatever production group it ends up in (possibly Group 6 with the NASCORvettes). If anyone is interested in coming up to Newfoundland in Sept 2010, let me know! Woerpel seems to be in already. I think we may have lost our sponsorship (a parts distributor in Mexico), so "Will Drive For Food"! Ron Soave You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:30:58 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:30:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking former lister Gary Speckman's email In-Reply-To: <4d1599d10903170548m499f7528j300d4652995e53db@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d1599d10903170548m499f7528j300d4652995e53db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903170630la4ee7cdw818f041f1e352151@mail.gmail.com> This came up in a google search: speckman at mhcable.com Severin may have a better lead. From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:48:30 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:48:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <677830B317C64C80B8938E8DB69CCAFE@Larry> References: <787634.48798.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <677830B317C64C80B8938E8DB69CCAFE@Larry> Message-ID: <402188520903170648p68dfb0a3yfca50eddff5ec30d@mail.gmail.com> > You need a sponsor, Ron? Try GE Aviation. How much do we have to pool together here to make you paint "Spridgets!" on the side of the car? From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:51:57 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:51:57 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Video In-Reply-To: <924576155.20090317055204@pacifier.com> References: <37dc82d40903161204w49322eb7vbc18ec0bfb1cc746@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903170307t685bc83tbabb0a70c420d03b@mail.gmail.com> <924576155.20090317055204@pacifier.com> Message-ID: OK, OK, I'll chime in on this discussion. I had Advance do my dizzy last spring. It works flawlessly. BUT, I still have points. While at LotO, I was B.S.ing with Peter the Part Pimp, and he tells me of his "electronic ignition" parts. Basically, it is points, and the condenser is some electronic geegaw (southern scientific term) that "looks" like a condenser, but isn't. He told me he had been running the same set of points on his Mini (a REAL one, not a BMW one) and had no noticeable degradation of the points, in something like a year. I have yet to install the set on our car yet, but since Peter isn't chiming in, I hope he won't mind me calling him out. Please, Peter, I know you won't willingly push your own product, but please, let us know about your items, and how the "new" condenser works. Brad On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Bill L wrote: > Hello Linda, > > The disadvantage of electronic is initial cost. points and > condesor--$10 max? .. electronic $100 and up. > > The idea isn't so much to have a stock appearance, tho that is > important to some, but to keep the costs down. Also, in the event > of failure to be able to quickly go back to points. > > As a side note, the pertronix makes no internal changes so its a > quick swap back, but the CRANE (of which I have never heard a > failure) you have to cut the "points locating post" off. > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > * "I always pray to St. Ignatius," said Tom loyally. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From abcoz at hky.com Tue Mar 17 07:11:18 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:11:18 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] testing Message-ID: <23527D623DAC472C81DBB22062970CD2@OwnerPC> Can't seem to get any posts thru, since last night when I responded to Eric. Bud Osbourne From grunthaner at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 07:12:35 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] testing In-Reply-To: <23527D623DAC472C81DBB22062970CD2@OwnerPC> References: <23527D623DAC472C81DBB22062970CD2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <205cef430903170712q5ea1be3k53d05fecf708a278@mail.gmail.com> I see this one : ) On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Bud Osbourne wrote: > Can't seem to get any posts thru, since last night when I responded to > Eric. > Bud Osbourne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From g.h.higgins at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 07:20:40 2009 From: g.h.higgins at gmail.com (Greg Higgins) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:20:40 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test Message-ID: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> I have been running the same stock distributor in my 1098 sprite for the last 36 years with no problems. I replaced the springs on the counter weights once and that has been it, I always use Blue Streak points and condenser, the car has never let me down. I like to use the static method (light across points) to time the car, it works for me,I like to keep things simple. Greg Higgins 63 sprite From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 17 07:36:03 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:36:03 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> Message-ID: <8FDA55AB22594F48B7AACAC09AED43D3@Home> >Erin go Braless!! ( and Ireland Forever! ) >Me mother's name was O'Reilly, and me father's mother's name was Keenan! When was the last time you encountered someone's mother you would like to see braless? Michael Rowe From grunthaner at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 07:39:30 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:39:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> References: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> Message-ID: <205cef430903170739j15d6c771gd780f9f51c4a1955@mail.gmail.com> I've got to learn how to do that : ) Lin On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Greg Higgins wrote: > I have been running the same stock distributor in my 1098 sprite for the > last > 36 years with no problems. I replaced the springs on the counter weights > once > and that has been it, I always use Blue Streak points and condenser, the > car > has never let me down. > I like to use the static method (light across points) to time the car, it > works for me,I like to keep things simple. > > Greg Higgins > 63 sprite > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 07:43:21 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:43:21 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: <8FDA55AB22594F48B7AACAC09AED43D3@Home> References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> <8FDA55AB22594F48B7AACAC09AED43D3@Home> Message-ID: Very frequently. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:36:03 -0400 > >>Erin go Braless!! ( and Ireland Forever! ) >>Me mother's name was O'Reilly, and me father's mother's name was Keenan! > > > When was the last time you encountered someone's mother you would like to > see braless? From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 07:44:14 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:44:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <205cef430903170739j15d6c771gd780f9f51c4a1955@mail.gmail.com> References: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> <205cef430903170739j15d6c771gd780f9f51c4a1955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If I recall the conversation with Peter C correctly, the little red LED on the end of the condenser housing, will light up when the timing is correct. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > I've got to learn how to do that : ) > > Lin > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Greg Higgins >wrote: > > > I have been running the same stock distributor in my 1098 sprite for the > > last > > 36 years with no problems. I replaced the springs on the counter weights > > once > > and that has been it, I always use Blue Streak points and condenser, the > > car > > has never let me down. > > I like to use the static method (light across points) to time the car, it > > works for me,I like to keep things simple. > > > > Greg Higgins > > 63 sprite > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tequila.brad at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 07:45:06 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:45:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> <8FDA55AB22594F48B7AACAC09AED43D3@Home> Message-ID: Not a very discriminating viewer, or you live in a rich neighborhood, where augmentation is the norm.... On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > Very frequently. > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:36:03 -0400 > > > >>Erin go Braless!! ( and Ireland Forever! ) > >>Me mother's name was O'Reilly, and me father's mother's name was Keenan! > > > > > > When was the last time you encountered someone's mother you would like to > > see braless? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From abcoz at hky.com Tue Mar 17 07:49:53 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:49:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] testing In-Reply-To: <23527D623DAC472C81DBB22062970CD2@OwnerPC> References: <23527D623DAC472C81DBB22062970CD2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <0C050E3A28134826A601B6E9A044BA60@OwnerPC> Yeah, this one came through on my email, too. Wonder why the important ones didn't? Thanks. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Osbourne" To: "'Spridget Chat Group'" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [Spridgets] testing > Can't seem to get any posts thru, since last night when I responded to > Eric. > Bud Osbourne From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 17 07:54:07 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:54:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> References: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> Message-ID: I think this thread has missed the salient "point." It is clear that points, "properly cleaned and adjusted, etc.," work just fine. That so many are interested in replacing them suggests that not all of us do keep them "properly cleaned and adjusted, etc." Instead, we let them go until they are noticeably crappy and we are forced to do something about them. Along the way, they are less than optimal for a while, and we have not yet noticed. So then the question is, "What are the advantages of electronic ignitions in terms of longevity and ability to function under less than ideal conditions of tune, wear, and cleanliness?" Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite in contract Long Island, NY From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 17 07:56:25 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:56:25 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> <8FDA55AB22594F48B7AACAC09AED43D3@Home> Message-ID: Well ... I don't know quite what to say in a public forum like this, but let's give it a go. I don't think that augmentation is the norm up here, unless they're making a living with them. I live in a middle class neighbourhood ( isn't everyone middle class? :) ) where people tend to keep fit. Now, nobody said that the mother's have to be older than I am. Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:45:06 -0500 Not a very discriminating viewer, or you live in a rich neighborhood, where augmentation is the norm.... On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:43 AM, wrote: Very frequently. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:36:03 -0400 > >>Erin go Braless!! ( and Ireland Forever! ) >>Me mother's name was O'Reilly, and me father's mother's name was Keenan! > > > When was the last time you encountered someone's mother you would like to > see braless? From soavero at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 08:00:28 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <677830B317C64C80B8938E8DB69CCAFE@Larry> Message-ID: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > I see the stock has gone up a bit since we talked at > Elkhart. Hope you > bought some more. I race to ESCAPE work. GE, actually, has a great gifts matching program and INCREASED it significantly in light of the economic downturn without much fanfare. I was very impressed. Our sponsor in Mexico was providing crew of 4 at each stop, fuel, spares truck and support vehicle, tires, brakes, etc. Any of the above gets you a Spridget paintjob. Team Thicko signage rides for free. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From wsthompson at thicko.com Tue Mar 17 08:04:06 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: <8FDA55AB22594F48B7AACAC09AED43D3@Home> References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> <8FDA55AB22594F48B7AACAC09AED43D3@Home> Message-ID: <010601c9a711$9ff78050$dfe680f0$@com> Apparently you're not familiar with the concept of a "MILF". > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Rowe > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:36 AM > To: Spridgets > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's > > >Erin go Braless!! ( and Ireland Forever! ) > >Me mother's name was O'Reilly, and me father's mother's name was > Keenan! > > > When was the last time you encountered someone's mother you would like > to > see braless? > > Michael Rowe From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 08:10:12 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:10:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903170810l16665436w3fdfc5c09aa4247c@mail.gmail.com> Electronic ignitions charge faster, have fewer moving/wear parts, can fire multiple sparks, and can handle higher voltages than points. Once properly installed and adjusted no maintenance is required for years or decades. Points are simple and easy to fix, but require more maintenance than electronic systems, like periodic adjustment and replacement. Higher voltages make points wear out faster. > So then the question is, "What are the advantages of electronic ignitions in > terms of longevity and ability to function under less than ideal conditions > of tune, wear, and cleanliness?" From abcoz at hky.com Tue Mar 17 08:11:25 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> Message-ID: <6C186CD0E1564FFFB94E6C34D9CF1827@OwnerPC> Michael, I've always looked at electronic ignition systems as the "lazy man's way" of insuring timely occurrence of spark. For now, I still prefer to use points, and keep my distributor properly maintained (adjusted & lubricated). Everyone needs to recognize that, with electronic ignitions which employ the original distributor, you STILL need to keep that dizzy properly lubricated to ensure correct advance mechanism function, and minimize bushing wear. The trouble is that most of us tend to observe the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule, and extend that to "if it ain't broke, don't maintain it" when something like a Pertronics unit is installed. Just my own, personal observations. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test >I think this thread has missed the salient "point." > > It is clear that points, "properly cleaned and adjusted, etc.," work just > fine. That so many are interested in replacing them suggests that not all > of us do keep them "properly cleaned and adjusted, etc." Instead, we let > them go until they are noticeably crappy and we are forced to do something > about them. Along the way, they are less than optimal for a while, and we > have not yet noticed. > > So then the question is, "What are the advantages of electronic ignitions > in terms of longevity and ability to function under less than ideal > conditions of tune, wear, and cleanliness?" > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Sprite in contract > Long Island, NY From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 08:18:43 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie References: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry> http://www.autofiends.com/index.php/2008/10/video-targa-newfoundland-2008/ Here's a vid of the Targa Newfoundland. As you will see, there are drivers of, uh, varying abilities. I think Ron and Jeff will have a ball. LAD From abcoz at hky.com Tue Mar 17 08:11:25 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron> Message-ID: <144F2C2C066E4A2AB6CE2670DA24A2A2@OwnerPC> Michael, I've always looked at electronic ignition systems as the "lazy man's way" of insuring timely occurrence of spark. For now, I still prefer to use points, and keep my distributor properly maintained (adjusted & lubricated). Everyone needs to recognize that, with electronic ignitions which employ the original distributor, you STILL need to keep that dizzy properly lubricated to ensure correct advance mechanism function, and minimize bushing wear. The trouble is that most of us tend to observe the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule, and extend that to "if it ain't broke, don't maintain it" when something like a Pertronics unit is installed. Just my own, personal observations. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test >I think this thread has missed the salient "point." > > It is clear that points, "properly cleaned and adjusted, etc.," work just > fine. That so many are interested in replacing them suggests that not all > of us do keep them "properly cleaned and adjusted, etc." Instead, we let > them go until they are noticeably crappy and we are forced to do something > about them. Along the way, they are less than optimal for a while, and we > have not yet noticed. > > So then the question is, "What are the advantages of electronic ignitions > in terms of longevity and ability to function under less than ideal > conditions of tune, wear, and cleanliness?" > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Sprite in contract > Long Island, NY From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 08:39:28 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: <0090B148355A4E7E937C75B6F1DEA29D@Inspiron>, Message-ID: <49BF61C0.9509.40D8F1@kk7ss.verizon.net> One of the reasons I have a Spridget is that I *LIKE* to work on my car..... quirks and all ;-)) My rice burners, >100K miles, are reliable -- but boring!! -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 08:57:20 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:57:20 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry> References: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903170857x667377fam3b3831e31ed37e67@mail.gmail.com> Keith Tanner ran a Miata in Targa 08. You can see him in the video around 2:05. He finished 1st in his class and 16th overall. It seems Targa is a TSD rally but you don't get penalized for being early. Keith Tanner and Bill Cardell are among the top Miata hot rodders in the world, IMHO. Check out Keith's website for more: http://www.targamiata.com/index.php I saw a Mini in the video. No one gonna run a Spridget? From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 09:02:09 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:02:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903170857x667377fam3b3831e31ed37e67@mail.gmail.com> References: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry> <5f00d9910903170857x667377fam3b3831e31ed37e67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903170902t73b0451hf6c6e39c646bad5a@mail.gmail.com> > I saw a Mini in the video. No one gonna run a Spridget? Great idea! Go for it. From biffjones at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 09:18:27 2009 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:18:27 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie References: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry><5f00d9910903170857x667377fam3b3831e31ed37e67@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903170902t73b0451hf6c6e39c646bad5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90787B1E984A4B5BA4E76A1FF07CC5DE@dell1> ----- Original Message ----- "David Lieb" wrote " No one gonna run a Spridget?" Dave just what I was thinking!!!!! It could be a blast! A friend of mine Michael Oritt was a navigator for Michael Salter in his '53 AH-100 in the 2007 Targa. They finished first in class and 44th overall. They could have finished higher in the overall but suffered a broken axle later determined fromBiff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite http://sprites2.homestead.com/ a bent rear housing so they incured some down time for repairs. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.17/2007 - Release Date: 03/17/09 10:18:00 From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 11:38:36 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] testing In-Reply-To: <23527D623DAC472C81DBB22062970CD2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <51909.16857.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's definitely something wrong - they're still not coming thru to the list... --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Bud Osbourne wrote: From: Bud Osbourne Subject: [Spridgets] testing To: "'Spridget Chat Group'" Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 9:11 AM Can't seem to get any posts thru, since last night when I responded to Eric. Bud Osbourne You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 12:53:28 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:53:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] testing In-Reply-To: <51909.16857.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <51909.16857.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B914B29-DED1-4C12-AC2F-0C009B0CFE0E@comcast.net> .. and for some reason my Yahoo membership info has been changed so that I can no longer log in to add pics to the site.. anyone wanna seesome messed up rear hub nuts?? Lester On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:38 PM, David Booker wrote: > There's definitely something wrong - they're still not coming thru > to the list... > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Bud Osbourne wrote: > > From: Bud Osbourne > Subject: [Spridgets] testing > To: "'Spridget Chat Group'" > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 9:11 AM > > Can't seem to get any posts thru, since last night when I responded > to Eric. > Bud Osbourne > You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 17 13:20:24 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:20:24 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: I don't know about Advanced Distributers but do now that APT in California and Aldon in the UK have extensive dyno testing to back up their curves. If there was a 123 distributer that had curves A B and C from David Anton at APT I'd be interested in a unit. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 16/03/2009 22:22:12 GMT Standard Time, lists at brits-n-pieces.com writes: Bud, I don't have any objections against rebuilding and recurving mechanical distributors, but I would surely like to know how these people from Advance Distributors know which curves suit best the many differently modified engines out there. And, who did you get the price of 500 Dollars from? And, have you ever read a detailed description of the 123ignition system and understood how some features of the 123ignition work which a mechanical distributor does not and cannot offer? Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 17 13:23:40 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:23:40 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Car Vandalism - no LBC Message-ID: I have it on CD. In a message dated 17/03/2009 02:24:03 GMT Standard Time, spritenut at comcast.net writes: Now if they would only start playing Jesus Christ Superstar on Easter again.... From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 17 13:28:21 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:28:21 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's Message-ID: Does my wife being my daughters mother count? In a message dated 17/03/2009 14:36:08 GMT Standard Time, mdrowe at optonline.net writes: When was the last time you encountered someone's mother you would like to see braless? Michael Rowe From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 17 13:31:33 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:31:33 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test Message-ID: If I mentioned points actuated electronic ignition would I be accused of being a trouble maker or a smart arse or both? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 17/03/2009 15:27:39 GMT Standard Time, abcoz at hky.com writes: I think this thread has missed the salient "point." From Jpaschke at bak.rr.com Tue Mar 17 14:04:30 2009 From: Jpaschke at bak.rr.com (Jon Paschke) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:04:30 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test References: Message-ID: <9085B2B2D6F7483CB63798B87A336863@Music> That is what I've got on my bugeye, a Judson magneto ignition. Jon > If I mentioned points actuated electronic ignition would I be accused of > being a trouble maker or a smart arse or both? > > Weslake-Monza 1330 From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 17 14:01:47 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:01:47 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose prices Message-ID: Hi list, A set of vertical flow radiator hoses airmail to the USA is approx #61.19 or #64.69 airmail signed for which is about US dollars 85.93 or 90.85 which is a whole lot cheaper than a year ago. >From memory cross flow hoses work out a bit cheaper on hose and postage. Single hoses work out to be less of a good deal as the signed for cost and packing is much the same for one hose as for a set. You will also need proper Jubilee brand (stainless steel recommended) worm drive hose clips as the american cheese cutter hoses damage silicone hose - don't sell these but you can get them in the USA. E-mail for a price list but give me a few days as I'm fairly busy at present. regards From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 17 14:06:29 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:06:29 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test Message-ID: No that's different. In a message dated 17/03/2009 21:04:35 GMT Standard Time, Jpaschke at bak.rr.com writes: That is what I've got on my bugeye, a Judson magneto ignition. Jon From jimndi at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 17 13:48:13 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:48:13 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD Message-ID: Does anyone off hand know the size of the int / exh studs on the 1275 head? Are they 5/16 fine both ends?? Thanks J 1960 Bugeye From jimndi at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 17 14:00:45 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:00:45 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tach drive gearbox Message-ID: <4C1E2F0A862C44678D501446E6A91503@MAINCOMPUTER> I just received my new Tach drive gearbox from Moss (made in Taiwan). No instructions. Does this unit require any grease before installation? and if so what spec. 1960 Bugeye From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 14:26:54 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:26:54 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BFB32E.18983.17EEEB9@kk7ss.verizon.net> I used to run a Magneto on my AJS 350 Trials bike... Kept burning out regular spark plugs until I switched to quartz aviation spark plugs!! On 17 Mar 2009 at 17:06, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: >> That is what I've got on my bugeye, a Judson magneto ignition. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From cathe125 at suddenlink.net Tue Mar 17 14:32:27 2009 From: cathe125 at suddenlink.net (cathey speichinger) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:32:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] What year car? and motor size? Message-ID: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> Hello list! Can anyone help me figure out the yaer and make this car is? And what size motor this is? Motor: 10cc-H-4575 Car: GAN5UB103116 Thanks, Cathey From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Tue Mar 17 14:34:31 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:34:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test References: Message-ID: <7F4BC2D7FF924EBC8B84CD99AC09C1C7@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> I use a Crane Cams optical shutter on an old dizzy to signal the Megasquirt to fire the coil. (It signals 60 deg BTDC to give the MS plenty of time to pick a value from the timing table and still fire in time) Glen > > That is what I've got on my bugeye, a Judson magneto ignition. > > Jon From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:35:23 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:35:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910903171435s10ad995dgf16df3c66fe8bef9@mail.gmail.com> Probably both. Confucius say: Better to be a smart arse than a dumb arse. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM, wrote: > If I mentioned points actuated electronic ignition would I be accused of > being a trouble maker or a smart arse or both? > > Weslake-Monza 1330 From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:38:56 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:38:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <7F4BC2D7FF924EBC8B84CD99AC09C1C7@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <7F4BC2D7FF924EBC8B84CD99AC09C1C7@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903171438w63c78fa8sbf81b398c5682b11@mail.gmail.com> How long does it take? Megasquirt II runs at 24MHz. Still, I guess 60 is a good number if you have to pick something. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Glen Byrns wrote: > I use a Crane Cams optical shutter on an old dizzy to signal the Megasquirt > to fire the coil. (It signals 60 deg BTDC to give the MS plenty of time to > pick a value from the timing table and still fire in time) From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:55:09 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:55:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4333f8140903171455x531f7c73k1b89a6969f9c0da0@mail.gmail.com> The ones on my 12G1316 (MG with air injection ports) hear were 5/16-24 x 1.5" Hal On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jim F. wrote: > Does anyone off hand know the size of the int / exh studs on the 1275 head? > Are they 5/16 fine both ends?? From TMHEFFRON at aol.com Tue Mar 17 14:55:49 2009 From: TMHEFFRON at aol.com (TMHEFFRON at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:55:49 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test Message-ID: I strike a flint with a chunk of stone into each of the open spark plug holes, in a sequential 1432 pattern.... TuTone In a message dated 3/17/2009 4:34:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, grbyrns at ucdavis.edu writes: I use a Crane Cams optical shutter on an old dizzy to signal the Megasquirt to fire the coil. (It signals 60 deg BTDC to give the MS plenty of time to pick a value from the timing table and still fire in time) Glen > > That is what I've got on my bugeye, a Judson magneto ignition. > > Jon You are subscribed as tmheffron at aol.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:58:42 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:58:42 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] What year car? and motor size? In-Reply-To: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> References: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> Message-ID: <4333f8140903171458u53d32b28h682563debd38cd32@mail.gmail.com> Cathey, 10CC motor is 1098cc, 2" mains. GAN5 is MG. As to the year of production, Vicki Brits or Moss should have that info somewhere on their websites Hal On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:32 PM, cathey speichinger wrote: > Hello list! > > Can anyone help me figure out the yaer and make this car is? And what size > motor this is? From frog.aye at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:00:42 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:00:42 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4333f8140903171500p6fa8bf97v36b224ec64e27bd5@mail.gmail.com> Tim, I don't think you are taking this seriously. Hah On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: > I strike a flint with a chunk of stone into each of the open spark plug > holes, in a sequential 1432 pattern.... > TuTone From abcoz at hky.com Tue Mar 17 15:04:53 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not by me, since I didn't make that statement I'm credited with making ("thread has missed the salient point"). ;) Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com To: abcoz at hky.com ; mdrowe at optonline.net ; spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test If I mentioned points actuated electronic ignition would I be accused of being a trouble maker or a smart arse or both? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 17/03/2009 15:27:39 GMT Standard Time, abcoz at hky.com writes: I think this thread has missed the salient "point." From mhagopian at hoppetool.com Tue Mar 17 15:23:52 2009 From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ Message-ID: <87a1f55d0903171523v3f7132e9pcf7e0e87025be288@mail.gmail.com> We ripped apart our "new" 1275 only to find an inch and a half of water in cylinder 1!!! pistons are ciezed up, and when we removed the oil pan... RUST CITY!!! everything including the crank shaft is completely rusted.. sent out to local auto-machine shop to be chemically cleaned and sand blasted If anyone is bored and wants to share some of the specs of their engine build it would be much appreciated!! please include horsepower!!! feedback on our possible set up would be great too!! Heres what were looking at soo far (yes we read Vizard!!) 1275 bored .040 over JE pistons flat top or similair 12+ CR if anyone knows a better choice let me know! Vizard was vague! Calico coated bearings, ceramic coated pistons Electric water pump(possibly) Electric fan Intake manifold single weber 45dcoe Bosch platinum +4 plugs malary uni-light distributor Scatter pattern SPVP-4 cam Valve springs, valve guides, cam followers vernier duplex timing gear and chain Wedge crank Shotpeened rods Balance all rotating parts Ported and polished on a flow bench Larger valves rimflo valve 1.4 in 1.2 ex 1.5 hi lift roller rockers Convert to 11 stud head ARP head stud kit lightweight Flywheel Tilton clutch Rivergate 5 spd kit LSD 4.2 -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:27:36 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:27:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910903171527q1e860dfepc5cf76b57685af88@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM, wrote: > I strike a flint with a chunk of stone into each of the open spark plug > holes, in a sequential 1432 pattern.... > TuTone > Shouldn't you go 1-3-4-2 sequentially? From billmasq at hotmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:29:49 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:29:49 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just pulled mine off and they were 5/16 fine thd for the nuts but 5/16 coarse to go into the casting (almost all castings use coarse threads) Bill > From: jimndi at frontiernet.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:48:13 -0400 > Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD > > Does anyone off hand know the size of the int / exh studs on the 1275 head? > Are they 5/16 fine both ends?? > > Thanks > > J > > > 1960 Bugeye > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 From davriker at nwi.net Tue Mar 17 15:47:26 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] points part one Message-ID: <7DA2FEAA8A1C4CDD8295CA71916F5594@MAIN> This seems to be getting filtered due to length, so here is part one: Points are a mechanical system. Mechanical systems usually fail slowly due to wear. The kinds of wear that a points system encounter are: 1. Natural arcing occurs as the points open and close. This "burns" the surface of the points, interfering with the flow of electricity. Once this happens, the electricity looks for an easier path, causing missfire. 2. The points block rides on the distributor lobes to open and close them. Over time, heat, dirt and friction wear down the block, causing the gap to change and close. The change in gap changes the timing. Points that don't open as far are more likely to arc. See #1 what happens when points arc. When the gap wears down to zero, the car won't run. 3. As a mechanical system, the points have a built in spring that keeps the points block in contact with the distributor lobe. The faster the rpm of the engine, the more potential for the points to bounce open beyond where they should, changing the dwell time. Inacurate dwell time causes high rpm missfire. 4. As a mechanical system, that block that rides on the distributor lobes depends on the shaft having zero wobble. Over time, the bearings in the distributor shaft wear (basically, the british thought we'd be throwing these cars away after about 75,000 miles, so after that point the shaft bearings are usually worn out). Wobble in the shaft causes the lobes to "appear" different height and spacing instead of uniform. This makes the points open irratically, scattering the dwell and timing events. This causes missfires. CONTINUED IN "POINTS PART TWO" From davriker at nwi.net Tue Mar 17 15:48:26 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:48:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] points part two Message-ID: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> PART TWO: Installing a Petronix, crane, or other electronic iginition into a stock style distributor eliminates problems 1,2,3, and compensates for #4. Points are just a mechanical switch, and the electronic system is just an electronic switch. Some electronic ignitions sense a magnetic field, and some shine a light beem that is interupted by a disc. Either way, no points to burn, no block to wear, no spring to bounce. Minor shaft wobble goes unnoticed by the electronic components, so even with a moderately worn distributor, ignition accuracy is maintained. When a petronix or crane type system is installed, the centrifugal and vacuum advance system of the stock distributor is retained. If there are wear problems like weak or incorrect springs, sticking or incorrect weights, these problems will not be solved by adding a petronix. Since all of the A-series, B-series, and 1500 midget distributors will "fit" and work to some degree, 40 years and ? owners later how do you know you have the optimum distributor even if it is in perfect mechanical condition? YOU DON'T. The factory couldn't even decide which one worked best. Some were curved to optimize fuel economy, some for low rpm torque, some for emissions, some for high rpm power. Even if your car seems to run fine, could it run better with a different curve? You won't know unless you have a rolliing road, and all the different available springs and weights. When Autozone sells you a rebuilt distributor, they are saying that the springs work, the weights are clean and move freely, the shaft bearing is replaced, and it will work, NOT THAT IT WILL BE OPTIMAL. What the 1,2,3 distributor does is replace the distributor with NEW, eliminate the mechanical systems all together, and replace them with electronic technology refined over the last 30 years, with a built in computer controlled program for multiple rpm based advance curves and multiple vacuum based advance curves so that with the flip of a switch you can drive around with a curve optimized for economy, pull up to the race track, flip the switch to another setting and be optimized for a day of autocrossing. Points distributors work. So do typewriters, but this list would be pretty impractical if we all had to type letters and put them in envelopes and mail them off to each other. Dave Riker From billmasq at hotmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:55:37 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I WAS WRONG!!! I just reverified the stud and they are BOTH 5/16 fine thread, NOT coarse. But it IS 1 1/2" long. Bill > From: billmasq at hotmail.com > To: jimndi at frontiernet.net; spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:29:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD > > I just pulled mine off and they were 5/16 fine thd for the nuts but 5/16 > coarse to go into the casting (almost all castings use coarse threads) > Bill > > > From: jimndi at frontiernet.net > > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:48:13 -0400 > > Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD > > > > Does anyone off hand know the size of the int / exh studs on the 1275 head? > > Are they 5/16 fine both ends?? > > > > Thanks > > > > J > > > > > > 1960 Bugeye > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Life without walls. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From grday at btinternet.com Tue Mar 17 16:14:22 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:14:22 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ References: <87a1f55d0903171523v3f7132e9pcf7e0e87025be288@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That was the end result. Where did the water come from? Little point in point in rebuilding only to have it happen again. Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Hagopian" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ > We ripped apart our "new" 1275 only to find an inch and a half of water in > cylinder 1!!! pistons are ciezed up, and when we removed the oil pan... > RUST > CITY!!! everything including the crank shaft is completely rusted.. sent > out > to local auto-machine shop to be chemically cleaned and sand blasted > > If anyone is bored and wants to share some of the specs of their engine > build it would be much appreciated!! please include horsepower!!! > > feedback on our possible set up would be great too!! > > Heres what were looking at soo far (yes we read Vizard!!) > > > 1275 bored .040 over > > JE pistons flat top or similair 12+ CR if anyone knows a better choice let > me know! Vizard was vague! > > Calico coated bearings, ceramic coated pistons > > Electric water pump(possibly) > > Electric fan > > Intake manifold single weber 45dcoe > > Bosch platinum +4 plugs > > malary uni-light distributor > > Scatter pattern SPVP-4 cam > > Valve springs, valve guides, cam followers > > vernier duplex timing gear and chain > > Wedge crank > > Shotpeened rods > > Balance all rotating parts > > Ported and polished on a flow bench > > Larger valves rimflo valve 1.4 in 1.2 ex > > 1.5 hi lift roller rockers > > Convert to 11 stud head > > ARP head stud kit > > lightweight Flywheel > > Tilton clutch > > Rivergate 5 spd kit > > LSD 4.2 > > > -- > Sincerely, > > > Matt Hagopian > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From jimndi at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 17 16:14:57 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:14:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD References: Message-ID: Thanks for the info guys . I also was expecting course thread for the block but I was able to screw on a 5/16 fine nut on both ends. thats why I asked the question. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Masquelier" To: "spridget list" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD >I WAS WRONG!!! > I just reverified the stud and they are BOTH 5/16 fine thread, NOT coarse. > But > it IS 1 1/2" long. > Bill > >> From: billmasq at hotmail.com >> To: jimndi at frontiernet.net; spridgets at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:29:49 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD >> >> I just pulled mine off and they were 5/16 fine thd for the nuts but 5/16 >> coarse to go into the casting (almost all castings use coarse threads) >> Bill >> >> > From: jimndi at frontiernet.net >> > To: spridgets at autox.team.net >> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:48:13 -0400 >> > Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD >> > >> > Does anyone off hand know the size of the int / exh studs on the 1275 > head? >> > Are they 5/16 fine both ends?? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > J >> > >> > >> > 1960 Bugeye >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com >> > >> > http://www.team.net/archive >> > >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live: Life without walls. >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2006 - Release Date: 03/17/09 07:23:00 From mhagopian at hoppetool.com Tue Mar 17 16:32:40 2009 From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:32:40 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Limited Slip Message-ID: <87a1f55d0903171632p57c973d1gbf75177881b63754@mail.gmail.com> Is anyone using a Quaffe LSD? If so how do you like it or dislike it? If anyone is using a different LSD and has positive or negative feedback id love to hear it! Race applicaiton. I dont want to go the cheap way and use Phantom Grips.. -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian From TMHEFFRON at aol.com Tue Mar 17 16:33:46 2009 From: TMHEFFRON at aol.com (TMHEFFRON at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:33:46 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test Message-ID: Thanks, that explains the hard starting and misfire over 2500 rpm... I'm still hopeful my eyebrows will grow back In a message dated 3/17/2009 5:27:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM, wrote: > I strike a flint with a chunk of stone into each of the open spark plug > holes, in a sequential 1432 pattern.... > TuTone > Shouldn't you go 1-3-4-2 sequentially? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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The latest issue of Classic Motorsports teased about the upcoming engine rebuild for their '71 Midget -- they beat their 100 HP goal. -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 17 17:06:45 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:06:45 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone willing to help with transport? No LBC Message-ID: <49C03B15.6020905@frontiernet.net> I am trying to get a convoy together to transport a 4 month old, deaf puppy from Hobbs, NM to Elko, NV. I will drive south as far as necessary, and the rescue will also drive, but if we could get some help in the middle, it would be greatly appreciated. Dates and times are negotiable. Thanks, Kate From soavero at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 17:08:18 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] STRIPPED MANIFOLD STUD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <994367.32289.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Bill Masquelier wrote: > I just pulled mine off and they were 5/16 fine thd for the > nuts but 5/16 > coarse to go into the casting (almost all castings use > coarse threads) NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! The threads are 5/16-24 (fine) on both ends. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From healeyrick at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 17:45:55 2009 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (Rick Neville) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <90787B1E984A4B5BA4E76A1FF07CC5DE@dell1> Message-ID: <894513.37942.qm@web51411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just watched the 2008 Targa Newfoundland on Speed TV this Sunday. Lots of shots of the "Team Michael" 100 that finished in 27th place this year. The show will be re-run tomorrow at 12:00 pm ET and some other times in the middle of the night according to the schedule here: http://www.speedtv.com/schedule/search/newfoundland. Ron, don't miss the opportuity to try the local Newfie rum called "Screech". Pour it in your tank and it'll be good for another 100 bhp! Rick --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Biff Jones wrote: From: Biff Jones Subject: Re: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:18 PM ----- Original Message ----- "David Lieb" wrote " No one gonna run a Spridget?" Dave just what I was thinking!!!!! It could be a blast! A friend of mine Michael Oritt was a navigator for Michael Salter in his '53 AH-100 in the 2007 Targa. They finished first in class and 44th overall. They could have finished higher in the overall but suffered a broken axle later determined fromBiff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite http://sprites2.homestead.com/ a bent rear housing so they incured some down time for repairs. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.17/2007 - Release Date: 03/17/09 10:18:00 You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From john.leier at leier.org Tue Mar 17 17:46:51 2009 From: john.leier at leier.org (John Leier) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:46:51 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] What year car? and motor size? In-Reply-To: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> References: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> Message-ID: <8DCDCFDE577F41DA879804F27BE98A4A@Latitude830> That doesn't appear to be the right engine for that VIN number. GAN5UB is a 1971 MG Midget, which should have a 1275 "12CJ" engine, not a 1098 engine. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathey speichinger" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: [Spridgets] What year car? and motor size? > Hello list! > > Can anyone help me figure out the yaer and make this car is? And what size > motor this is? > > Motor: 10cc-H-4575 > Car: GAN5UB103116 From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 18:25:32 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C04D8C.9070909@comcast.net> Brad Fornal wrote: > . > I just didn't know about the long term effects of letting the E brake be > under tension. > > > If it's a new mo$$ E-brake cable, do NOT let it sit for more than 2 minutes, it will stretch. Holy Sprite cable lasted almost a whole week. We left it on all night once, that killed it. Stretched a full inch. I now have learned that the chinese do not temper steel cables, or a dung forge tempering pit just doesn't cut it in the real world. From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 18:27:23 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:27:23 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: <05FBD318B793474087CB7EC653960BE0@Larry> References: <85FEED0835894B0998346D2CD500EA96@Larry> <05FBD318B793474087CB7EC653960BE0@Larry> Message-ID: <49C04DFB.5060003@comcast.net> Larry Daniels wrote: > We can't get a Kilkenny in the States. Closest we can come to that is a > Smithwick's. > > Ah, exactly what I am washing down the paint with :) From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Mar 17 18:28:44 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:28:44 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] What year car? and motor size? In-Reply-To: <8DCDCFDE577F41DA879804F27BE98A4A@Latitude830> References: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> <8DCDCFDE577F41DA879804F27BE98A4A@Latitude830> Message-ID: <1879583126.20090317182844@pacifier.com> , Hello, >That doesn't appear to be the right engine for that VIN number. GAN5UB is a >1971 MG Midget, which should have a 1275 "12CJ" engine, not a 1098 engine. Imagine that. Some swapped an engine in a Spridget! Who would do such a thing? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "This is where I keep my arrows," said Tom, quivering. From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 18:34:24 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:34:24 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903171527q1e860dfepc5cf76b57685af88@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9910903171527q1e860dfepc5cf76b57685af88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C04FA0.9090809@comcast.net> derf wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM, wrote: > >> I strike a flint with a chunk of stone into each of the open spark plug >> holes, in a sequential 1432 pattern.... >> TuTone >> >> >> I tried that but I just can't get the spark plugs back in fast enough. What's your secret? From herby at herbytoys.com Tue Mar 17 18:35:58 2009 From: herby at herbytoys.com (Herby) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:35:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 1098 Clutch Message-ID: <1D037034738B43B29D82207D3403AEA0@HERBYZ> Anybody know the new thickness of a 1098 Borg & Beck clutch disc? I have a used B&B disc and B&B PP and hate to just toss it if it's usable to someone (you "we-tights" know who you are). It's not definitely not down to the rivets. Don't have 1098 anymore so I have no need for it. Herby 63 MKII Sprite (Herbytoy - soon on the market) 62 MKII Sprite (the "resto-mod" driver) 00 Dakota R/T (the new toy) herby at herbytoys.com www.herbytoys.com From Mjsprite at aol.com Tue Mar 17 18:38:32 2009 From: Mjsprite at aol.com (Mjsprite at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:38:32 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's Message-ID: I wonder if Blarney is stoned yet. Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) From abcoz at hky.com Tue Mar 17 18:58:48 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:58:48 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm getting kinda pissed that I can't get my reply to Eric to post. Bad enough when I'm credited with stuff I never said, or nailed for criticizing something I never criticized in the first place........but when I can't reply and defend myself, it really irritates me. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com To: eric.frenken at brits-n-pieces.com ; abcoz at hky.com ; shop at justbrits.com ; spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System I don't know about Advanced Distributers but do now that APT in California and Aldon in the UK have extensive dyno testing to back up their curves. If there was a 123 distributer that had curves A B and C from David Anton at APT I'd be interested in a unit. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 16/03/2009 22:22:12 GMT Standard Time, lists at brits-n-pieces.com writes: Bud, I don't have any objections against rebuilding and recurving mechanical distributors, but I would surely like to know how these people from Advance Distributors know which curves suit best the many differently modified engines out there. And, who did you get the price of 500 Dollars from? And, have you ever read a detailed description of the 123ignition system and understood how some features of the 123ignition work which a mechanical distributor does not and cannot offer? Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com From abcoz at hky.com Tue Mar 17 19:02:13 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:02:13 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: <156A978F92394D6581DC5D8E4C48DA7D@OwnerPC> > Eric, > You would have to ask Jeff Schlemmer where he gets the information for his > advance curves......but, I'll bet he ain't sayin' ;) However, I can tell > you that there are legions of happy MGB, Spridget and Triumph owners who > will gladly tell you how pleased they've been with the results of Jeff's > labors. > Keep in mind that I did not mention your product, or any other name brand > (other than Advance Distributors), about which I do not claim or imply to > have any specific knowledge. I think someone else mentioned a price of > five hundred dollars. I was merely echoing that statement to illustrate > my point, which is that Advance Distributors offers a terrific value for > the money, and makes no outrageous claims (unlike others I've seen > advertized) as to what kind of performance improvement to expect. > Eric, I have no quarrel with you, and I'm sure you have a fine product to > offer. However, most of us out here in Spridget land are running stock or > near-stock engines, and just want them to perform as well (OK, maybe just > a tiny bit better) than original, without creating any marital > dis-harmony. Advance Distributors returns the original distributors to as > new function, or, if you wish, better than new function by correctly > modifying the advance curve according to the information the owner > supplies about his individual car, all for a base price of around $90 US. > He can re-curve your distributor for a highly modified engine, also. If > you like (and for extra cost, of course), he'll install a Pertronics unit > in your distributor (I prefer to stick with points), and the thing comes > back looking like brand new. To have the same service performed on my > Porsche 356's distributor would cost me four stinkin' times as much as > what Jeff charges for his work. Bottom line is that Advance Distributors > is a thundering good value for the money, and I've yet to see anyone offer > a better bargain in that department. > Bud Osbourne From bkitterer at mac.com Tue Mar 17 19:04:30 2009 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:04:30 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] What year car? and motor size? In-Reply-To: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> References: <001b01c9a747$e141c3f0$a3c54bd0$@net> Message-ID: <789A894D-A293-4549-B251-4742B2C59CD2@mac.com> Cathey, The engine number is for a high compression 1098, (1962 - 1967) The body number is for the 1971 production year. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 17, 2009, at 2:32 PM, cathey speichinger wrote: > Hello list! > > Can anyone help me figure out the yaer and make this car is? And > what size > motor this is? > > > > Motor: 10cc-H-4575 > > > > > > Car: GAN5UB103116 > > > > Thanks, Cathey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 17 20:27:16 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:27:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [Healeys] project anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These is from the Big Healey List and the reason for the post is I seem to recall a Denver Spridgeteer?!?!?: #2 http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1076602419.html #3 Initially it appears to be a BN1 with a lot of chopping of body panels to clear bigger tires, and the lower front apron area has been trimmed up much higher than original. Certainly the front fenders are the early smaller wheel arch cutout. If anybody can check this car out and get any numbers off it for the Hundred Registry I'd be much obliged. Likely the only numbers that might be found could be the chassis number tag affixed to the top of the right frame rail in the engine bay, and if very lucky, the rectangular aluminum Batch and Body number tag may be sttill screwed to the engine bay firewall toward the right side. Rich Chrysler AHCA Hundred Registrar Please reply to ME and not the List(s) to keep band width down!! Ed From biffjones at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 20:38:25 2009 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition Message-ID: Has anyone on the list tried one of these units? http://simonbbc.com/automotiveshop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2 They are cheap enough that you can buy two for less than one ignitor. PPP is this what you have in your mini? Brad, it took me a while to relocate this source as I hadn't saved the link. Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite http://sprites2.homestead.com/ [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.17/2007 - Release Date: 03/17/09 10:18:00 From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Tue Mar 17 20:42:29 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:42:29 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> Message-ID: APT is just 5 minutes from my house, so I am over there all the time. I saw this engine still on the dyno because David is testing different intake manifolds. He told me he is building the motor for Grassroots for NOTHING, so he is going to get some research done before he hands it over to them to put in the Midget. He showed me 3 or 4 different length intake manifolds. One was at least 2 feet long. Won't fit in the Midget, but will probably give the best results as the longer the intake the better. He told me he got 112HP out this engine so far. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Kent McLean wrote: > Matt Hagopian wrote: > > We ripped apart our "new" 1275 only to find an inch and a half of water > in > > cylinder 1!!! pistons are ciezed up, and when we removed the oil pan... > RUST > > CITY!!! everything including the crank shaft is completely rusted.. sent > out > > to local auto-machine shop to be chemically cleaned and sand blasted > > > > If anyone is bored and wants to share some of the specs of their engine > > build it would be much appreciated!! please include horsepower!!! > > How timely. The latest issue of Classic Motorsports teased about the > upcoming engine rebuild for their '71 Midget -- they beat their 100 HP > goal. > > > > -- > Kent McLean > '56 100 BN2 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Tue Mar 17 20:58:18 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] points part two In-Reply-To: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> Message-ID: Wow. Great explanation. Maybe that will end the debate, but somehow I doubt it. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM, David Riker wrote: > PART TWO: > > > Points distributors work. So do typewriters, but this list would be pretty > impractical if we all had to type letters and put them in envelopes and > mail > them off to each other. > > Dave Riker _______________________________________________ From richb at u.washington.edu Tue Mar 17 21:04:54 2009 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:04:54 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Smiths Odometer Reset Cable References: Message-ID: <7C833359D55A473E9DEBF6503FC61401@RichandSusan> A while back someone on the list asked about a source for the odometer reset cable for the Smiths speedometers. No one seem to have an answer and since I needed one as well I thought I'd do some searching. I found a source in Australia, but shipping and price were a problem. I then found that Caterham in the UK carries them and they have a US operation in Colorado that can order them from the factory in England and have them shipped here. The price is reason able at $7.15 for the cable and $3.93 for the bracket that hold the end below the dash. If any one is interested contact Ben @ Caterham USA. Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA 71174 SPEEDOMETER TRIP RESET CABLE - 96>, 741-741-176-03SPR $7.15 76073 TRIO CABLE BRACKET - 96> & Smiths $3.93 -Ben Caterham USA 303.765.0247 7info at caterhamusa.com www.caterhamusa.com From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Tue Mar 17 21:14:43 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:14:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, Jeff at Advanced Distributors must know something. If you have filled out one of his order sheets you would know he asks all kinds of questions about the application of your distributor such as CR, head work, cam profile, cylinder pressures, exhaust system type, etc, etc. As extensive as the questionaire is, it's probably more than adequate for any street application that most of us need. If you are into racing, go to David Anton at APT. I have seen the distributor machine at his shop. David tends to lean his research on racing anyway. Both of my cars are using distributors (Sprite with Pertronix) rebuilt by Jeff at Advanced Distributors. In fact, as recommended by Jeff I let him replace the BN2 weight and spring mechanism with a 25D mechanism in the BN2 distributor to upgrade it for better advance curve decay on decelleration. The spring and weight mechanism of the 25D shaft have a better leverage of weights and springs to bring the weights back toward the shaft to briong the curve down quicker. He does this conversion to many of the older Lucas distributors for this reason. I don't know why, but many early distributors will hold the advance curve for too long after you have dropped the rpm. Maybe one of the better informed electrical gurus on the list know the reason for this Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM, wrote: > I don't know about Advanced Distributers but do now that APT in California > and Aldon in the UK have extensive dyno testing to back up their curves. > > If there was a 123 distributer that had curves A B and C from David Anton > at > APT I'd be interested in a unit. > > Weslake-Monza 1330 From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 18 00:28:38 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:28:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye headers? Message-ID: <49C0A2A6.90009@bradakis.com> Some of you may remember that some time ago I asked about getting the motor out of a Bugeye without removing the bonnet. It went pretty well We'll be starting to actually work on this engine soon. My current question is which header to use? The car has a 1275 motor in it, street use only, the LCB header on there was too tatty to clean up and coat. So we are looking at a new one. Who offers decent deals on quality units? Are they available with ceramic coatings, or will getting a plain steel one to send off for coating be a better deal? What would be a good exhaust system, stainless or otherwise, to go with it? Thanks, mjb. From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 00:40:47 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:40:47 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye headers? In-Reply-To: <49C0A2A6.90009@bradakis.com> References: <49C0A2A6.90009@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark, You are better to get a steel header and have it coated. Wether it is Jet Hot or Swain or other of your choice. I bought the whole exhaust system for my Bugeye at APT. The header as well as a Maniflo exhaust system. The deep throaty sound is just great. A very free flowing system designed for the Bugeye. Or, you can get a Cherry Bomb muffler for 15 bucks and have a mufler shop pipe it up for you. A little loud for my taste, but a nice free flowing system and cheap. Headers are also available from the usual suspects also. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Some of you may remember that some time ago I asked about getting > the motor out of a Bugeye without removing the bonnet. It went pretty > well We'll be starting to actually work on this engine soon. > > My current question is which header to use? The car has a 1275 motor > in it, street use only, the LCB header on there was too tatty to clean up > and coat. So we are looking at a new one. Who offers decent deals on > quality units? Are they available with ceramic coatings, or will getting > a plain steel one to send off for coating be a better deal? What would be > a good exhaust system, stainless or otherwise, to go with it? > > Thanks, > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grday at btinternet.com Wed Mar 18 01:18:39 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:18:39 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test References: <5f00d9910903171527q1e860dfepc5cf76b57685af88@mail.gmail.com> <49C04FA0.9090809@comcast.net> Message-ID: He won't tell you, it is a tightly held trade secret but, as you do a small amount of work on LBCs, you can be let in to the club. You use your thumb over the hole, there is no time to screw the plug back in. It's easier doing it on a diesel because they don't rev as high. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "derf" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test > derf wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM, wrote: >> >>> I strike a flint with a chunk of stone into each of the open spark plug >>> holes, in a sequential 1432 pattern.... >>> TuTone >>> >>> >>> > I tried that but I just can't get the spark plugs back in fast enough. > What's your secret? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kentmclean at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 03:54:43 2009 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:54:43 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Healey 100 project Message-ID: <49C0D2F3.8060305@comcast.net> Anyone looking for a project? This one was posted on the Big Healey list. Not for the faint of heart, as the body has been cut in a lot of places (wheel arches and front valance being the most obvious) and it's missing the drive train. Since it has already been butchered, you could drop a London Taxi diesel in it and make it run on vegetable oil -- go green. :) -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From smarc at smarc.net Wed Mar 18 05:57:07 2009 From: smarc at smarc.net (Marc) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:57:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase Message-ID: <49C0EFA3.3070301@smarc.net> After unsuccessfully searching for info, guess I need to ask the experts! What's a ballpark reasonable value for a rebuildable rib case transmission? It's in working condition, noisy first gear, & probably has a worn syncho between 2nd & 3rd. Non leaking, no case damage, etc... -- Marc From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 18 06:33:48 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:33:48 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] looking for Bugeye tonneau Message-ID: Hi! A local club member is looking for a "good used LHD 1960 bugeye tonneau" for his recently acquired toy. Does anyone have something for him to consider? His email address is: markch at rogers.com ( and we're in Ottawa Ontario Canada ) Robert Duquette From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 18 06:44:49 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:44:49 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're not sure if your wife can count? ;) ---------------------------------------- > From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com > > Does my wife being my daughters mother count? > > In a message dated 17/03/2009 14:36:08 GMT Standard Time, > mdrowe at optonline.net writes: > > When was the last time you encountered someone's mother you would like to > see braless? From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 06:45:17 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix vs. Points Vice 123 System Message-ID: <403940.96150.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > application that most of us need. If you are into > racing, go to David Anton > at APT. Actually, for racing you don't care much about advance curves - you just want full, stable advance from 3500-4000 RPM on. And I used Jeff. Ron From tinydog at snet.net Wed Mar 18 06:54:41 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <49C0EFA3.3070301@smarc.net> Message-ID: <891343.54191.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog responded: If you can't find one for free, $25.00 --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Marc wrote: From: Marc Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 8:57 AM After unsuccessfully searching for info, guess I need to ask the experts! What's a ballpark reasonable value for a rebuildable rib case transmission? It's in working condition, noisy first gear, & probably has a worn syncho between 2nd & 3rd. Non leaking, no case damage, etc... From 72spridget at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 07:19:51 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9910903171527q1e860dfepc5cf76b57685af88@mail.gmail.com> <49C04FA0.9090809@comcast.net> Message-ID: <402188520903180719m3c548655mdb3a76baa9f375bd@mail.gmail.com> > He won't tell you, it is a tightly held trade secret but, as you do a small > amount of work on LBCs, you can be let in to the club. You use your thumb > over the hole, there is no time to screw the plug back in. It's easier > doing it on a diesel because they don't rev as high. You seem to be all thumbs? From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Mar 18 07:34:01 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] points part two In-Reply-To: References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> Message-ID: > Wow. Great explanation. Maybe that will end the debate, So with that endorsement, is anyone interested in a bulk order from Eric at Brit's'n'Pieces at around $300? Michael Rowe From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 07:34:17 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase Message-ID: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, tinydog yipped: > If you can't find one for free, $25.00 That's about right with those symptoms, although I'd put it closer to $50. Known good all around is $100. The one I sold a guy with your exact email address was basically free in a pile of spares that came with a car, I spent $300 having a total rebuild on it, didn't use it, and sold it for less than that. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 07:41:23 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] 100+ HP Message-ID: <464771.83588.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Matt Hagopian wrote: > If anyone is bored and wants to share some of the specs of > their engine > build it would be much appreciated!! please include > horsepower!!! I will start as always by recommending what Flounder always told me - get much more track time before you build a motor that will hide your deficiencies. That said, my buddy's motor from Midwest Motorports, back from freshening, dyno'd at over 150HP when they stopped at 8100 RPM. Torque was between 106 and 112 ft-lb from 5500 - 8000 RPM. George Bauchman head and vintage camshaft grind. 1.4 and 1.16 valves. Crank by Moldex (not a billet). Bauchman 1.5 SUs and intake manifold. 1.5 Titan rollers. Mallory Dual Point distributor (no pertronix or anything). 14.5:1 compression ratio on a .040 over bore, o-ringed block, 9 stud. Pistons are J&E with Wiseco rings, I believe. Carrillo rods. This motor came out especially good for a non all-out SCCA motor, I have heard from 3 people that George was extremely happy about it. Yawn. I was talking to a guy named Dave Brown recently who has been building race Spridgets for 30 years. He agreed that the inflection point for design was in the early 1990s. The Vizard stuff is a good starting point, but Rick Haynes (sportsandimports.biz) and George Bauchman changed the game completely when they started running away from everybody. Prather and Huffaker are good names to know also. Craig Chima is now building motors as well. He scraps more HP than I know how to build. Someday maybe I'll be able to buy the extra 40 or 50 HP over my homegrown kluge, but not until I can out drive my car. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 07:51:23 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:51:23 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] points part two In-Reply-To: References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN>, , Message-ID: <49C0A7FB.9453.234BBF@kk7ss.verizon.net> Sorry, too rich for my blood... ;-| I'll stick with points... On 18 Mar 2009 at 10:34, Michael Rowe wrote: >> So with that endorsement, is anyone interested in a bulk order from >> Eric at Brit's'n'Pieces at around $300? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 07:55:22 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:55:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] points part two In-Reply-To: <49C0A7FB.9453.234BBF@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> <49C0A7FB.9453.234BBF@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903180755o5bb6100el283a8ce1b2f8fa08@mail.gmail.com> I got in on this thread late, but my experience with Pertronix is similar to Frank's. I put them in, the engine ran great - for 20 minutes then died. I went back to points and have had no problems since. I'll stick with the caveman technology I think. Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Dave G. wrote: > Sorry, too rich for my blood... ;-| > I'll stick with points... > > On 18 Mar 2009 at 10:34, Michael Rowe wrote: > >> So with that endorsement, is anyone interested in a bulk order from > >> Eric at Brit's'n'Pieces at around $300? From smarc at smarc.net Wed Mar 18 08:05:24 2009 From: smarc at smarc.net (Marc) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:05:24 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> Strangely enough, we're talking about the exact transmission that was replaced by the one you sold. As of now, my old trans has found a new home - it's going racing... I had no idea what it's value was - since it's basically zip, that's what it went for! Better for it to have a use then sitting around useless... The weather is breaking here, and I'm getting motivated to figure out wth is wrong with the Midget. It rattles horrendously from the transmission while driving or idling. The slightest pressure on the clutch pedal makes it stop. Thinking maybe a clip came off the throwout bearing or something. It works fine, just makes a racket... Ron Soave wrote: > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, tinydog yipped: > >> If you can't find one for free, $25.00 >> > > That's about right with those symptoms, although I'd put it closer to $50. Known good all around is $100. The one I sold a guy with your exact email address was basically free in a pile of spares that came with a car, I spent $300 having a total rebuild on it, didn't use it, and sold it for less than that. > -- Marc From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:17:44 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:17:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> References: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903180817v477c682fv48cd687a58d1098c@mail.gmail.com> Pilot bushing. > The weather is breaking here, and I'm getting motivated to figure out > wth is wrong with the Midget. It rattles horrendously from the > transmission while driving or idling. The slightest pressure on the > clutch pedal makes it stop. Thinking maybe a clip came off the throwout > bearing or something. It works fine, just makes a racket... From smarc at smarc.net Wed Mar 18 08:21:39 2009 From: smarc at smarc.net (Marc) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903180817v477c682fv48cd687a58d1098c@mail.gmail.com> References: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> <5f00d9910903180817v477c682fv48cd687a58d1098c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C11183.3000003@smarc.net> New pilot bearing (not bushing) was installed. I'm more inclined to think it's the throwout bearing... Not being any thing resembling an expert though, the probability of me being wrong is somewhat high... derf wrote: > Pilot bushing. > > >> The weather is breaking here, and I'm getting motivated to figure out >> wth is wrong with the Midget. It rattles horrendously from the >> transmission while driving or idling. The slightest pressure on the >> clutch pedal makes it stop. Thinking maybe a clip came off the throwout >> bearing or something. It works fine, just makes a racket... >> > ______ -- Marc From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:30:08 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Batteries, no LBC content Message-ID: I am needing to replace the batteries in a couple of the jetskis this year. The one I have gotten in the past, were around the $50 mark. Yet every spring, they have the lawn tractor batteries on sale for $19.95. They are basically the same size, would they work as well as a $50 battery? As far as cranking amps go, the skis are 500cc. I don't know how that compares to a 16 hp lawn mower engine. The way I see it, and I could be wrong, but it is like when they would sell a pint of "power steering fluid" for $4, or you could buy a quart of ATF for $2. Both accomplished the same thing, the bargain just had different packaging. TIA Brad www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:41:16 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:41:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <49C11183.3000003@smarc.net> References: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> <5f00d9910903180817v477c682fv48cd687a58d1098c@mail.gmail.com> <49C11183.3000003@smarc.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903180841r1b4cd3fch6d92023db5bee968@mail.gmail.com> Could be, unless the pilot bearing was the wrong size. Also could be broken springs in the clutch plate, maybe. > New pilot bearing (not bushing) was installed. I'm more inclined to think > it's the throwout bearing... Not being any thing resembling an expert > though, the probability of me being wrong is somewhat high... From peter at nosimport.com Wed Mar 18 08:42:50 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:42:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903180742657.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Biff, Brad, you've called me out.... :-) Several years ago, I started supplying a local "inventor" some parts for ignition conversions on small engines suffering from extinct parts availability. http://overnight-solutions.com/index.htm He thought we could market something for our ilk. (old shtuff) He brought me a fugly electronic box with transistor(s) in it that would be triggered by stock points, but use very, very little voltage thereby avoiding wear and tear on the points. He had one on a friends Mini that had been working fine. I told him that I would only consider something that looked correct. I gave him some Lucas condensers and low tension leads. He gutted the condenser, inserted the transistor stuff (and an LED) and connected it all to the LT lead. The devise replaces the condenser with 1 wire going to the points as original, and 1 wire coming from the LT lead. It looks very original. The voltage to the points is very little (.3 maybe?) There is no condenser. So, does it work? For everyone except Frank, yes. It takes 35 seconds to install. The electronic tach runs much steadier. Timing is done with the LED. I now own his friend's test Mini (1964) that is still running the same very first one he made to my design specs. 4 years, never touch it. Checked the points last year before LoTO, they were where I had set them 3 years ago. I have 75 or so running around in everything from Triumphs, Jaguars, Healeys, Spridgets, and a Land Rover. I assume they're all working..... no one ever calls me to say they aren't...... except Frank. If you need Frank's endorsement, he wont. It beats me why he can't get one to work. That's the story........ Peter C aka PPP Biff, the thing in your link below looks like a cheap imitation of a Pertronix, that can't get much more cheaply made, IMHO. At 10:38 PM 3/17/2009, Biff Jones wrote: >Has anyone on the list tried one of these units? > >http://simonbbc.com/automotiveshop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2 > >They are cheap enough that you can buy two for less than one ignitor. > >PPP is this what you have in your mini? > >Brad, it took me a while to relocate this source as I hadn't saved the link. > >Biff Jones >'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye >'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite >http://sprites2.homestead.com/ From peter at nosimport.com Wed Mar 18 08:44:36 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:44:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Batteries, no LBC content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090318074417.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Just guessing Brad, but most lawn tractors don't tip over? Peter C = At 10:30 AM 3/18/2009, Brad Fornal wrote: >I am needing to replace the batteries in a couple of the jetskis this year. >The one I have gotten in the past, were around the $50 mark. Yet every >spring, they have the lawn tractor batteries on sale for $19.95. They are >basically the same size, would they work as well as a $50 battery? As far as >cranking amps go, the skis are 500cc. I don't know how that compares to a 16 >hp lawn mower engine. >The way I see it, and I could be wrong, but it is like when they would sell >a pint of "power steering fluid" for $4, or you could buy a quart of ATF for >$2. Both accomplished the same thing, the bargain just had different >packaging. > >TIA >Brad From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:45:17 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:45:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Batteries, no LBC content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910903180845w580da3e0n51db8bbf143349c6@mail.gmail.com> I would probably go with a sealed battery in a jet ski. They take a lot more abuse than a lawnmower. You don't want battery acid spilling inside, do you? That being said there are some dual sport motorcycle batteries that would probably work and be cheaper. The Suzuki DRZ400 comes to mind as being small and sealed. They do tend to charge more for "marine" stuff than everything else. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:49:25 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:49:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Batteries, no LBC content In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903180845w580da3e0n51db8bbf143349c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9910903180845w580da3e0n51db8bbf143349c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: These are not sealed batteries. I have to add the acid to them, and charge them, before installation. They do have a rubber strip that has all the plugs on it, rather than individual units, but that appears to be the only difference. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:45 AM, derf wrote: > I would probably go with a sealed battery in a jet ski. They take a > lot more abuse than a lawnmower. > You don't want battery acid spilling inside, do you? > That being said there are some dual sport motorcycle batteries that > would probably work and be cheaper. The Suzuki DRZ400 comes to mind > as being small and sealed. > They do tend to charge more for "marine" stuff than everything else. > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 09:07:53 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <200903180742657.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <200903180742657.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: Perhaps the bits inside the "condenser" are of Chinese origin. Frank must exude an aura that affects Chinese made products. Sorry about the call out, I didn't realize you were wanting to keep something so great, hidden. Do you work for the government? Brad On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Biff, Brad, you've called me out.... :-) > > Several years ago, I started supplying a local "inventor" some parts for > ignition conversions on small engines suffering from extinct parts > availability. > http://overnight-solutions.com/index.htm > > He thought we could market something for our ilk. (old shtuff) He brought > me a fugly electronic box with transistor(s) in it that would be triggered > by stock points, but use very, very little voltage thereby avoiding wear and > tear on the points. He had one on a friends Mini that had been working fine. > I told him that I would only consider something that looked correct. I gave > him some Lucas condensers and low tension leads. He gutted the condenser, > inserted the transistor stuff (and an LED) and connected it all to the LT > lead. The devise replaces the condenser with 1 wire going to the points as > original, and 1 wire coming from the LT lead. It looks very original. The > voltage to the points is very little (.3 maybe?) There is no condenser. > > So, does it work? For everyone except Frank, yes. It takes 35 seconds to > install. The electronic tach runs much steadier. Timing is done with the > LED. I now own his friend's test Mini (1964) that is still running the same > very first one he made to my design specs. 4 years, never touch it. Checked > the points last year before LoTO, they were where I had set them 3 years > ago. I have 75 or so running around in everything from Triumphs, Jaguars, > Healeys, Spridgets, and a Land Rover. I assume they're all working..... no > one ever calls me to say they aren't...... except Frank. If you need > Frank's endorsement, he wont. It beats me why he can't get one to work. > > That's the story........ > Peter C aka PPP > > Biff, the thing in your link below looks like a cheap imitation of a > Pertronix, that can't get much more cheaply made, IMHO. > > > At 10:38 PM 3/17/2009, Biff Jones wrote: > >> Has anyone on the list tried one of these units? >> >> http://simonbbc.com/automotiveshop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2 >> >> They are cheap enough that you can buy two for less than one ignitor. >> >> PPP is this what you have in your mini? >> >> Brad, it took me a while to relocate this source as I hadn't saved the >> link. >> >> Biff Jones >> 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye >> 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite >> http://sprites2.homestead.com/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 09:08:43 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:08:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903161232s1689e504me268502b0c187f6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161159g423752e9w1a25e0e3089d6aa3@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903161232s1689e504me268502b0c187f6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37dc82d40903180908i281df7fy1c62bf7b1e3f7b04@mail.gmail.com> Derf, Actually the Mallory with dual points was the unit that was working in the car before I put the Pertronix in place. Makes sense though, what you said. . . Something else was amiss no doubt in that I did get a noticable performance improvement. Thanks. Kirk On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, derf wrote: > You probably would have noticed the same improvement if you had > installed the Mallory with dual points. > The advance curve was probably much better. From jimndi at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 18 09:09:53 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:09:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Valve covers Message-ID: <3A7130EA22474F129357B791F909CF6A@MAINCOMPUTER> I am putting together a late 60's early 70's 1275 for my BE. I have 3 different Valve covers. Two with front vent pipe and one without. Which is preferable and how do you vent the crankcase? My timing cover also contains a venting connection and I have the "Y" pipe connecting the carbs. Thanks. 1960 Bugeye From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 09:14:29 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:14:29 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903161209v3d046b9fh76975feee314621b@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903161138x798d6c01ue472b5d3dfb26892@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903161209v3d046b9fh76975feee314621b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37dc82d40903180914sa6af57bs258d0d6b30efd050@mail.gmail.com> Derf, I think you hit it on the head with that. . . Kirk On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM, derf wrote: > The stability is mostly due to the bushings/bearings and advance > mechanism in the dizzy. > The 123 Dizzy was new, and therefore more stable out of the box than > used dizzys, unless they use crap for bearings and/or have bad QC. > > That comparison was good to show how good the new 123 is, but it was > comparing apples to oranges for performance. > A new dizzy with points and a new dizzy with Pertronix installed would > make a better comparison. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 09:18:00 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:18:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Valve covers In-Reply-To: <3A7130EA22474F129357B791F909CF6A@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <3A7130EA22474F129357B791F909CF6A@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: The vents point two different ways, depending on the vehicle. On the Bugeye, they pointed to the carbs. After that, they didn't have a vent, then in 69 I believe they went to pointing towards the genny/alt. Those were very restricted, and you would need to drill out the center, to actually utilize it as a vent. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Jim F. wrote: > I am putting together a late 60's early 70's 1275 for my BE. I have 3 > different Valve covers. Two with front vent pipe and one without. Which is > preferable and how do you vent the crankcase? My timing cover also contains > a > venting connection and I have the "Y" pipe connecting the carbs. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > 1960 Bugeye > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 09:26:21 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:26:21 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models Message-ID: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> Was there an upgrade in the Pertronix series? I think I recall that mine was the second iteration of the design? But not sure. . might have said Pertronix II or something like that on the box. . it has been a long while. I also seem to recall that the earlier versions, if there were earlier versions, were the ones that had reliability issues? Larry Miller has had one for 8 years if I recall his email, so that might speak well of any earlier iteration of the design. I will take my answer off the air. . . Kirk 59 BE From peter at nosimport.com Wed Mar 18 09:31:11 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:31:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com > References: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903180831220.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> One of the early failures they had was they'd melt if the ignition was on, and the engine off. And it didn't take long. Peter C = At 11:26 AM 3/18/2009, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: >Was there an upgrade in the Pertronix series? I think I recall that mine >was the second iteration of the design? But not sure. . might have said >Pertronix II or something like that on the box. . it has been a long while. > >I also seem to recall that the earlier versions, if there were earlier >versions, were the ones that had reliability issues? > >Larry Miller has had one for 8 years if I recall his email, so that might >speak well of any earlier iteration of the design. > >I will take my answer off the air. . . > >Kirk >59 BE From breton48 at live.com Wed Mar 18 09:45:53 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:45:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kirk, I have had a Pertronix, first issue, since March 2003 in my Lotus Seven. Still there, still working. On my Bugeye, I did fry the first one I had, but that was most likely due to me leaving the ignition on with the engine not running, and I fried it in my garage, not on the track. I think the second version of the Pertronix is immune to that problem. Seeing that some on this list cannot get more than 20 minutes with a Pertronix without it failing, I guess I am lucky. I ran about 30 practice/races with the Pertronix in my Bugeye with no problems, and six years on the road at about 3000 miles per year in my Lotus, again without trouble. JLC Kirk wrote: Was there an upgrade in the Pertronix series? I think I recall that mine was the second iteration of the design? But not sure. . might have said Pertronix II or something like that on the box. . it has been a long while. I also seem to recall that the earlier versions, if there were earlier versions, were the ones that had reliability issues? From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 10:07:38 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:07:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <200903180742657.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <200903180742657.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <7A739CE7-3453-4682-AA0A-64113B3DAFD1@comcast.net> I'm guessing that it's the same sort of thing that is done to SU fuel pumps so that you don't run the entire current through the points , works a treat on SU fuel pumps! Is there any reason that it won't work for any dizzy using points? Lester .. and they are selling for?? And can be had when?? On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Biff, Brad, you've called me out.... :-) > > Several years ago, I started supplying a local "inventor" some parts > for ignition conversions on small engines suffering from extinct > parts availability. > http://overnight-solutions.com/index.htm > > He thought we could market something for our ilk. (old shtuff) He > brought me a fugly electronic box with transistor(s) in it that > would be triggered by stock points, but use very, very little > voltage thereby avoiding wear and tear on the points. He had one on > a friends Mini that had been working fine. I told him that I would > only consider something that looked correct. I gave him some Lucas > condensers and low tension leads. He gutted the condenser, inserted > the transistor stuff (and an LED) and connected it all to the LT > lead. The devise replaces the condenser with 1 wire going to the > points as original, and 1 wire coming from the LT lead. It looks > very original. The voltage to the points is very little (.3 maybe?) > There is no condenser. > > So, does it work? For everyone except Frank, yes. It takes 35 > seconds to install. The electronic tach runs much steadier. Timing > is done with the LED. I now own his friend's test Mini (1964) that > is still running the same very first one he made to my design specs. > 4 years, never touch it. Checked the points last year before LoTO, > they were where I had set them 3 years ago. I have 75 or so running > around in everything from Triumphs, Jaguars, Healeys, Spridgets, and > a Land Rover. I assume they're all working..... no one ever calls > me to say they aren't...... except Frank. If you need Frank's > endorsement, he wont. It beats me why he can't get one to work. > > That's the story........ > Peter C aka PPP From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Wed Mar 18 11:02:30 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models References: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9458737478904F12ABAC03A98C61B235@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> I run Pertronix in two of my four LBC's, Crane Cams Fireball 500 in another, and half of a Crane unit as a trigger in yet another. I had a Crane Cames 7000 fail years ago, and no problems on any of the others since. Too busy to mess with points and much happier with easy starts and consistent day to day and year to year performance. I don't use wooden friction block shocks, front drum brakes, generators or Lucas voltage regulators either. When I'm motoring down the road with the bonnet shut I bet you can't tell the difference. I spend my weekends building new stuff rather than milking adequate performance out of antique hidden bits. Bring on the flames. Glen From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 11:17:08 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:17:08 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy St. Patty's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C0D834.19210.DFAAF2@kk7ss.verizon.net> Not if Wilma has her way.... On 17 Mar 2009 at 21:38, Mjsprite at aol.com wrote: >> I wonder if Blarney is stoned yet. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 11:22:33 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models References: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> <9458737478904F12ABAC03A98C61B235@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <519CA41AFF4544BD870ED9F1D54A6BD2@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Byrns" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models I run Pertronix in two of my four LBC's, Crane Cams Fireball 500 in another, and half of a Crane unit as a trigger in yet another. I had a Crane Cames 7000 fail years ago, and no problems on any of the others since. Too busy to mess with points and much happier with easy starts and consistent day to day and year to year performance. I don't use wooden friction block shocks, front drum brakes, generators or Lucas voltage regulators either. When I'm motoring down the road with the bonnet shut I bet you can't tell the difference. I spend my weekends building new stuff rather than milking adequate performance out of antique hidden bits. Bring on the flames. Glen _______________________________________________ Flames, hell, I think it makes perfect sense. LAD From richb at u.washington.edu Wed Mar 18 11:42:44 2009 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:42:44 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com><9458737478904F12ABAC03A98C61B235@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> <519CA41AFF4544BD870ED9F1D54A6BD2@Larry> Message-ID: This has been an interesting discussion which makes me wonder about the unit in my '76 Midget. It is a Lumenition Optronic ignition installed in the stock Opus distributer. Probably after the stock electronics failed. Anybody have an opinion on the Lumenition units? I am still resurrecting the car and have not had it out on the road yet. I have it running, but not out under load. http://www.lumenition.com/new/main.php/lumeni Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA From mikey at b2systems.com Tue Mar 17 20:36:13 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:36:13 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models In-Reply-To: <9458737478904F12ABAC03A98C61B235@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> <9458737478904F12ABAC03A98C61B235@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <1237347373.6284.52.camel@WebBrowser> I do run wood friction shocks and drum brakes because they are visible and I like my toys to look "proper". But under the hood, its modern technology for me, I like to get where I am going AND back without calling a tow truck or breaking down on the side of the road. I prefer to work on the car in the comfort of my garage with access to all my tools not some side of the road with access to universal metric (vice grips to most of you) tools and some old screwdrivers. Then again my car is slightly older than a Spridget. I was looking at Pertronix or something similar but the 123 dizzy is awfully tempting because my steering column blocks the distributor and to remove the distributor cap I have to remove the steering gear first, its one of the hassles of fitting a different motor/gearbox into a chassis and insisting on not cutting/drilling/welding anything to the old chassis so it can be converted back to original. Having something I don't have to change the points on would be really nice because for me a 10 minute point change/set job is a few hours. So no flames from me... mike On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:02 -0700, Glen Byrns wrote: > I run Pertronix in two of my four LBC's, Crane Cams Fireball 500 in another, > and half of a Crane unit as a trigger in yet another. > I had a Crane Cames 7000 fail years ago, and no problems on any of the > others since. Too busy to mess with points and much happier with easy > starts and consistent day to day and year to year performance. I don't use > wooden friction block shocks, front drum brakes, generators or Lucas voltage > regulators either. When I'm motoring down the road with the bonnet shut I > bet you can't tell the difference. I spend my weekends building new stuff > rather than milking adequate performance out of antique hidden bits. > > Bring on the flames. > > Glen From hgmiller3 at qwest.net Wed Mar 18 11:55:21 2009 From: hgmiller3 at qwest.net (Herbert Miller) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:55:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Parts for sale Message-ID: <20090318185521.9B994621D17@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> I have a few parts for sale. Pictures available. * MG Midget wiring harness with a 1973 build tag. In very good condition * one set rear shock links--blasted and painted--not for 1/4 eliptic * 1974 Midget top frame-excelent condition * MK11 Sprite MK1 Midget dash panel-bare panal-still has crayon writing on back side Buyer pays actual shipping Herb hgmiller3 at qwest.net From bighealey at charter.net Wed Mar 18 12:07:56 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (bighealey at charter.net) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:07:56 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090318150756.RIUQO.2853578.root@mp13> Rich, I replaced the OPUS guts with a Petronics unit from Advanced Distributors. I would say that once you get the thing ready if it works keep it. If your paranoid get a petronics unit and test it then keep one of the two in the boot as a spare. If you want it to perform better send the whole thing to Jeff at Advanced Dist. He will put it tip top shape for much less than an aftermarket 123, Mallory etc... Just my 2 cents. (.95 cents after tax) ---- Richard Ball wrote: > This has been an interesting discussion which makes me wonder about the unit > in my '76 Midget. It is a Lumenition Optronic ignition installed in the > stock Opus distributer. Probably after the stock electronics failed. > Anybody have an opinion on the Lumenition units? I am still resurrecting > the car and have not had it out on the road yet. I have it running, but not > out under load. > http://www.lumenition.com/new/main.php/lumeni > > Rich Ball > '76 Midget > Everett, WA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 12:09:31 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:09:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 100+ HP In-Reply-To: <464771.83588.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <464771.83588.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It all boils down to the adage I heard from my Harley mechanic when I wanted to take my new Twin Cam motor apart after it was only 3 months old for bigger pistons, cam, timing, etc. He asked me "How fast do you want to go?, then he asked me, "How much money you got?" Speed = money, money = speed. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite (not too fast, I don't have that much money) 56 BN2 (not fast, but a lot of money anyway) On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Ron Soave wrote: > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Matt Hagopian wrote: > > If anyone is bored and wants to share some of the specs of > > their engine > > build it would be much appreciated!! please include > > horsepower!!! > > I will start as always by recommending what Flounder always told me - get > much more track time before you build a motor that will hide your > deficiencies. That said, my buddy's motor from Midwest Motorports, back from > freshening, dyno'd at over 150HP when they stopped at 8100 RPM. Torque was > between 106 and 112 ft-lb from 5500 - 8000 RPM. George Bauchman head and > vintage camshaft grind. 1.4 and 1.16 valves. Crank by Moldex (not a billet). > Bauchman 1.5 SUs and intake manifold. 1.5 Titan rollers. Mallory Dual Point > distributor (no pertronix or anything). 14.5:1 compression ratio on a .040 > over bore, o-ringed block, 9 stud. Pistons are J&E with Wiseco rings, I > believe. Carrillo rods. This motor came out especially good for a non > all-out SCCA motor, I have heard from 3 people that George was extremely > happy about it. Yawn. > > I was talking to a guy named Dave Brown recently who has been building race > Spridgets for 30 years. He agreed that the inflection point for design was > in the early 1990s. The Vizard stuff is a good starting point, but Rick > Haynes (sportsandimports.biz) and George Bauchman changed the game > completely when they started running away from everybody. Prather and > Huffaker are good names to know also. Craig Chima is now building motors as > well. He scraps more HP than I know how to build. Someday maybe I'll be able > to buy the extra 40 or 50 HP over my homegrown kluge, but not until I can > out drive my car. > > Ron Soave > "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 12:13:08 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:13:08 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] points part two In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903180755o5bb6100el283a8ce1b2f8fa08@mail.gmail.com> References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> <49C0A7FB.9453.234BBF@kk7ss.verizon.net> <43840a7e0903180755o5bb6100el283a8ce1b2f8fa08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I hate to be the one to extend this debate, but I am running Pertronix in a distributor rebuilt by Advanced. No problems in 500 miles, but I have a Mallory dual point in the trunk. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jim Johnson wrote: > I got in on this thread late, but my experience with Pertronix is similar > to > Frank's. I put them in, the engine ran great - for 20 minutes then died. I > went back to points and have had no problems since. I'll stick with the > caveman technology I think. > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Dave G. wrote: > > > Sorry, too rich for my blood... ;-| > > I'll stick with points... > > > > On 18 Mar 2009 at 10:34, Michael Rowe wrote: > > >> So with that endorsement, is anyone interested in a bulk order from > > >> Eric at Brit's'n'Pieces at around $300? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From hgmiller3 at qwest.net Wed Mar 18 12:22:27 2009 From: hgmiller3 at qwest.net (Herbert Miller) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Mini parts Message-ID: <20090318192227.8EB0A1A99BE@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> I have a HIF44 intake manifold to sell. What is a good Mini list? Did not find one on auto.team.net. Herb From kentmclean at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 12:24:38 2009 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] mgmidgets.net Message-ID: <49C14A76.2070905@comcast.net> Sorry if this has been posted before, but here's a site dedicated to the little ones. Found in Classic & Sportscars. http://www.mgmidgets.net -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From 72spridget at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:26:38 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:26:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> <402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> > He can't get the info on torque curves without this kind of research. I > don't think he will offer anything to the public that is not practical. > David is just trying to provide Grassroots with what they asked for and get > some dyno research done in the bargain. I have nothing against David Anton. To the best of my limited knowledge in that area, he is a gentleman and a nice guy. However. I agree with your premise, but I also insist that the "longer intake is better" approach ONLY applies to attempting to get peak HP at any cost. The usual cost is driveablity, since you are sacrificing low- and mid-range torque to move the powerband up since peak hp is achieved when the powerband peaks at higher rpm. This isn't anything that has to be researched, this is what has been repeatedly proven. The fact that he is playing with stuff that won't even fit in the engine compartment ... OTOH, he is probably doing it at Classic Motorsports/GRM's behest since they are fond of throwing meaningless datat at their readers. David Lieb From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 12:33:05 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:33:05 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models In-Reply-To: <1237347373.6284.52.camel@WebBrowser> References: <37dc82d40903180926j66e1bebdu33c5a4e56e8b303@mail.gmail.com> <9458737478904F12ABAC03A98C61B235@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> <1237347373.6284.52.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: Well, I run Pertronix and a generator and voltage regulator on my Bugeye but not much longer. I found a guy that converts voltage regulators to solid state devices that actually do a better job than the relays. My engine looks kinda original, with a genny and a gear reduction tach drive so I'm gonna keep it that way, but don't look at the front of the my 1275 with the timing belt drive conversion, and you can't see the 1.5 rockers under the valve cover either. And I may try to find one them thar generators that are disguised as an alternator too! Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, mike rambour wrote: > I do run wood friction shocks and drum brakes because they are visible > and I like my toys to look "proper". But under the hood, its modern > technology for me, I like to get where I am going AND back without > calling a tow truck or breaking down on the side of the road. I prefer > to work on the car in the comfort of my garage with access to all my > tools not some side of the road with access to universal metric (vice > grips to most of you) tools and some old screwdrivers. Then again my > car is slightly older than a Spridget. > > I was looking at Pertronix or something similar but the 123 dizzy is > awfully tempting because my steering column blocks the distributor and > to remove the distributor cap I have to remove the steering gear first, > its one of the hassles of fitting a different motor/gearbox into a > chassis and insisting on not cutting/drilling/welding anything to the > old chassis so it can be converted back to original. Having something I > don't have to change the points on would be really nice because for me a > 10 minute point change/set job is a few hours. > > So no flames from me... > > mike > > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:02 -0700, Glen Byrns wrote: > > I run Pertronix in two of my four LBC's, Crane Cams Fireball 500 in > another, > > and half of a Crane unit as a trigger in yet another. > > I had a Crane Cames 7000 fail years ago, and no problems on any of the > > others since. Too busy to mess with points and much happier with easy > > starts and consistent day to day and year to year performance. I don't > use > > wooden friction block shocks, front drum brakes, generators or Lucas > voltage > > regulators either. When I'm motoring down the road with the bonnet shut > I > > bet you can't tell the difference. I spend my weekends building new > stuff > > rather than milking adequate performance out of antique hidden bits. > > > > Bring on the flames. > > > > Glen From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 12:36:14 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> <402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My impression was he was doing this for his own edification to get some "payment" back for building the motor for them for nothing (or free advertising). Mike On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > He can't get the info on torque curves without this kind of research. I > > don't think he will offer anything to the public that is not practical. > > David is just trying to provide Grassroots with what they asked for and > get > > some dyno research done in the bargain. > > I have nothing against David Anton. To the best of my limited > knowledge in that area, he is a gentleman and a nice guy. However. > I agree with your premise, but I also insist that the "longer intake > is better" approach ONLY applies to attempting to get peak HP at any > cost. The usual cost is driveablity, since you are sacrificing low- > and mid-range torque to move the powerband up since peak hp is > achieved when the powerband peaks at higher rpm. This isn't anything > that has to be researched, this is what has been repeatedly proven. > The fact that he is playing with stuff that won't even fit in the > engine compartment ... OTOH, he is probably doing it at Classic > Motorsports/GRM's behest since they are fond of throwing meaningless > datat at their readers. > David Lieb From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 18 12:40:16 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:40:16 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> <402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think that the original rational for rebuilding this spridget was to see if it could beat a Miata on the track, IIRC. Is it that the intake won't fit in the Midget, or that it won't fit in without bonnet mods? ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:26:38 -0500 > From: 72spridget at gmail.com > To: rrengineer at dslextreme.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ > >> He can't get the info on torque curves without this kind of research. I >> don't think he will offer anything to the public that is not practical. >> David is just trying to provide Grassroots with what they asked for and get >> some dyno research done in the bargain. > > I have nothing against David Anton. To the best of my limited > knowledge in that area, he is a gentleman and a nice guy. However. > I agree with your premise, but I also insist that the "longer intake > is better" approach ONLY applies to attempting to get peak HP at any > cost. The usual cost is driveablity, since you are sacrificing low- > and mid-range torque to move the powerband up since peak hp is > achieved when the powerband peaks at higher rpm. This isn't anything > that has to be researched, this is what has been repeatedly proven. > The fact that he is playing with stuff that won't even fit in the > engine compartment ... OTOH, he is probably doing it at Classic > Motorsports/GRM's behest since they are fond of throwing meaningless > datat at their readers. From 72spridget at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:40:38 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:40:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> <402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903181240i5a5cfeb7q940c1f873381b245@mail.gmail.com> Nothing wrong with that. I would be happy to loan them a 1275 that they can test to their little hearts' content. I will swap it for another one when they think it is perfect and want to start over ;-) David On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:36 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > My impression was he was doing this for his own edification to get some > "payment" back for building the motor for them for nothing (or free > advertising). > Mike > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > He can't get the info on torque curves without this kind of research. I >> > don't think he will offer anything to the public that is not practical. >> > David is just trying to provide Grassroots with what they asked for and >> > get >> > some dyno research done in the bargain. >> >> I have nothing against David Anton. To the best of my limited >> knowledge in that area, he is a gentleman and a nice guy. However. >> I agree with your premise, but I also insist that the "longer intake >> is better" approach ONLY applies to attempting to get peak HP at any >> cost. The usual cost is driveablity, since you are sacrificing low- >> and mid-range torque to move the powerband up since peak hp is >> achieved when the powerband peaks at higher rpm. This isn't anything >> that has to be researched, this is what has been repeatedly proven. >> The fact that he is playing with stuff that won't even fit in the >> engine compartment ... OTOH, he is probably doing it at Classic >> Motorsports/GRM's behest since they are fond of throwing meaningless >> datat at their readers. >> David Lieb From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 12:44:37 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:44:37 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> <402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm sure he is going to give them something that fits in a Midget, he is just experimenting. Mike On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM, wrote: > I think that the original rational for rebuilding this spridget was to see > if > it could beat a Miata on the track, IIRC. Is it that the intake won't fit > in > the Midget, or that it won't fit in without bonnet mods? > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:26:38 -0500 > > From: 72spridget at gmail.com > > To: rrengineer at dslextreme.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ > > > >> He can't get the info on torque curves without this kind of research. I > >> don't think he will offer anything to the public that is not practical. > >> David is just trying to provide Grassroots with what they asked for and > get > >> some dyno research done in the bargain. > > > > I have nothing against David Anton. To the best of my limited > > knowledge in that area, he is a gentleman and a nice guy. However. > > I agree with your premise, but I also insist that the "longer intake > > is better" approach ONLY applies to attempting to get peak HP at any > > cost. The usual cost is driveablity, since you are sacrificing low- > > and mid-range torque to move the powerband up since peak hp is > > achieved when the powerband peaks at higher rpm. This isn't anything > > that has to be researched, this is what has been repeatedly proven. > > The fact that he is playing with stuff that won't even fit in the > > engine compartment ... OTOH, he is probably doing it at Classic > > Motorsports/GRM's behest since they are fond of throwing meaningless > > datat at their readers. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 12:50:07 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:50:07 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Polyurethane Trunnion Bushings Message-ID: I am just getting around to swapping out all the bushings in the front suspension of my Bugeye. I have two sets to choose from, one in rubber and one in polyurethane. I noticed the upper trunnion bushings in polyurethane are shorter in length than the rubber metalastic ones. Is this right? Has anyone done this conversion to polyurethane recently remembers what their top trunnion poly bushes looked like compared to the rubber ones? I just know this is going to start the plastic versus rubber debate again, he he. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite From grday at btinternet.com Wed Mar 18 13:30:30 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:30:30 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test References: <5f00d9910903171527q1e860dfepc5cf76b57685af88@mail.gmail.com><49C04FA0.9090809@comcast.net> <402188520903180719m3c548655mdb3a76baa9f375bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <894EDE58F8F94542A5A390DDE1EF4F5A@dell330> I'm not limber enough to use my toes and your fingers get stuck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 123 Ignition Test >> He won't tell you, it is a tightly held trade secret but, as you do a >> small >> amount of work on LBCs, you can be let in to the club. You use your >> thumb >> over the hole, there is no time to screw the plug back in. It's easier >> doing it on a diesel because they don't rev as high. > > You seem to be all thumbs? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 13:39:12 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:39:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay Message-ID: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.com> A rare bugeye air cleaner assy http://tinyurl.com/db9w8h http://preview.tinyurl.com/db9w8h or, if you prefer: ebay item 230331436845 Got no response when I told him it wasn't from a bugeye. Looks like a seller to avoid. Hal From peter at nosimport.com Wed Mar 18 13:47:51 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903181247626.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Hmmmm Jagwire?? At 03:39 PM 3/18/2009, Hal Faulkner wrote: >A rare bugeye air cleaner assy > >http://tinyurl.com/db9w8h > >http://preview.tinyurl.com/db9w8h > >or, if you prefer: ebay item 230331436845 > >Got no response when I told him it wasn't from a bugeye. >Looks like a seller to avoid. >Hal From cooper6 at swbell.net Wed Mar 18 13:51:00 2009 From: cooper6 at swbell.net (Martin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We all need to send him the information there is no way it comes off of an Austin Healey Sprite -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hal Faulkner Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 15:39 To: S pridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay A rare bugeye air cleaner assy http://tinyurl.com/db9w8h http://preview.tinyurl.com/db9w8h or, if you prefer: ebay item 230331436845 Got no response when I told him it wasn't from a bugeye. Looks like a seller to avoid. Hal You are subscribed as cooper6 at swbell.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.11990 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.11990 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From jimndi at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 18 14:09:37 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay References: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ive got an original on my 948 and it looks nothing like that one. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" To: "'Hal Faulkner'" ; "'S pridgets'" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay > We all need to send him the information there is no way it comes off of an > Austin Healey Sprite > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hal Faulkner > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 15:39 > To: S pridgets > Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay > > A rare bugeye air cleaner assy > > http://tinyurl.com/db9w8h > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/db9w8h > > or, if you prefer: ebay item 230331436845 > > Got no response when I told him it wasn't from a bugeye. > Looks like a seller to avoid. > Hal > You are subscribed as cooper6 at swbell.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) > Database version: 6.11990 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) > Database version: 6.11990 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: 03/18/09 07:17:00 From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 14:11:50 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:11:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 100+ HP References: <464771.83588.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B3AD1F505734E6EAE607F60CC272613@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: "Ron Soave" Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 100+ HP It all boils down to the adage I heard from my Harley mechanic when I wanted to take my new Twin Cam motor apart after it was only 3 months old for bigger pistons, cam, timing, etc. He asked me "How fast do you want to go?, then he asked me, "How much money you got?" Speed = money, money = speed. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite (not too fast, I don't have that much money) 56 BN2 (not fast, but a lot of money anyway) ====================== Then there is the Law of Diminishing Returns. At first, that next horse might cost you $100. After a while, they will be $500 ea. Then $1000 ea. You always want just a few more. The secret is to stop the sickness before your wallet is empty. LAD From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 14:21:59 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:21:59 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay In-Reply-To: References: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8140903181421l7b82d431s431ad1962dfe7679@mail.gmail.com> Actually I take it back. He did reply. Since it was through fleabay I didn't see it 'cuz I never check my fleabay messages. He is selling it for a friend.... and if anyone has any idea what it fits he would appreciate knowing. Hal From thcollin at mtu.edu Wed Mar 18 14:42:53 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Points system document Message-ID: <7ll0se$61m050@email.mtu.edu> A guy named Doug Lawson has prepared a PDF file about Lucas Points Ignition Systems. An interesting read with pictures and maybe something you'll want to add to your library. Seven pages. From his document. What is Covered: The following document discusses the operation of the basic "points type" ignition system. Included are steps to troubleshoot the ignition system. This document presents a negative ground system only. Please read the Theory of Operation section before attempting to troubleshoot your ignition system. Find it at: http://home.mindspring.com/~purlawson/files/LucasPointsIgnitions.pdf or http://tinyurl.com/cf8zkh Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 18 16:00:26 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:00:26 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay References: <4333f8140903181339y3e3b02e2v676c8d860b9bd5f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c13c4a$0e30a500$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi, Must be off one of them thar rare type of Bugeyes, you know, the ones that didn't make it into production! Rare indeed! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" To: "'Hal Faulkner'" ; "'S pridgets'" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay > We all need to send him the information there is no way it comes off of an > Austin Healey Sprite > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hal Faulkner > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 15:39 > To: S pridgets > Subject: [Spridgets] Rare item on fleabay > > A rare bugeye air cleaner assy > > http://tinyurl.com/db9w8h > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/db9w8h > > or, if you prefer: ebay item 230331436845 > > Got no response when I told him it wasn't from a bugeye. > Looks like a seller to avoid. > Hal > You are subscribed as cooper6 at swbell.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) > Database version: 6.11990 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) > Database version: 6.11990 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Wed Mar 18 15:11:27 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:11:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Cylinder block drain tap thread size on 1098 In-Reply-To: <001701c13c4a$0e30a500$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <20090318221128.VZL3816.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Hi all- Until I find a proper replacement for a leaky drain tap, what is the thread size for this thing? Thanks Chris From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Mar 18 17:53:15 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:53:15 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Message-ID: My fuel gauge doesn't register. Do I dare test it directly to a hot wire, or will I fry it? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Sprite in contract Long Island, NY From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 17:53:48 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:53:48 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: <200903180742657.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <2A14C19973864E8188D9DC382327FFAD@blackbox2> A "low voltage to the points" electronic ignition system is OK, but once you get to the stage of a transistor firing the coil then you might as well go to the next tiny step and have the magnetic or optical sensor fire the transistor instead of the points. This is, after all, what a Pertronix is. The problem with the points is not just the arcing, it is the fact that the cam wears and they bounce at high rpm, etc... Those problems all go away with the Pertronix and systems like the 123. When it comes to failures of these electronic ignitions, I think it really comes down to is that you can't "cook" a set of points by hooking up wires incorrectly like you can with a circuit that is encased in epoxy and cost $90. Any you know what? It shouldn't cook. If you spend $90 for something to replace a $10 set of points then it should last a mighty long time. Even if you accidentially connect those leads up the wrong way the first time around. The reason nobody on this list has gripes about the electronic ignition on thier modern cars is that they did not have to install it themselves. You guys can argue the quality of the aftermarket electronic systems, and you can argue whether it's "vintage correct" to have points vs. electronic ignition. But you can't argue that points are better or are more reliable than electronic ignition systems because that is disproven by the fact that virtually all modern cars have electronic ignition WITHOUT POINTS. From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 18:01:46 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:01:46 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <2A14C19973864E8188D9DC382327FFAD@blackbox2> References: , <2A14C19973864E8188D9DC382327FFAD@blackbox2> Message-ID: <49C1370A.14785.2521E26@kk7ss.verizon.net> Not to be flogging a dead horse, but modern cars need to vary the ignition timing (among other factors) for emissions and economy reasons which depend on the load and a number of other conditions... You can't vary mechanical point dwell or ignition timing while under way!! At least, not easily.... Apples to Pears... On 18 Mar 2009 at 20:53, Dean Hedin wrote: >> virtually all modern cars have electronic ignition >> WITHOUT POINTS. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 18:09:17 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:09:17 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... Message-ID: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> I'm trying to resolve a problem with the carbs spitting back at me when the engine gets to around 3,000rpm. No leaks, mixture good, tried varying the timing +/- 5 degrees, all with no success... So I want to replace the coil.... Postive earth car. The Old and the New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' and '-'. Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? Thanks -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 18:22:41 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:22:41 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net><402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think what has been proven is that longer intakes increase lower and mid range torque, and hence drivability, at the sacrifice of high end peak horsepower. That's what I..umm...insist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> > I agree with your premise, but I also insist that the "longer intake > is better" approach ONLY applies to attempting to get peak HP at any > cost. The usual cost is driveablity, since you are sacrificing low- > and mid-range torque to move the powerband up since peak hp is > achieved when the powerband peaks at higher rpm. This isn't anything > that has to be researched, this is what has been repeatedly proven. From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Mar 18 18:34:32 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:34:32 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net><402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1489532561.20090318183432@pacifier.com> Hello Dean, Someone will most surely correct me if I'm wrong but I BELIEVE... positive ground car, Positive goes to the points. Its the grounding part of the circuit. and it DOES make a difference. the car will run with the coil hooked up backward, but not as well. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" On a clear disk you can seek forever. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 18:35:21 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: , <2A14C19973864E8188D9DC382327FFAD@blackbox2> <49C1370A.14785.2521E26@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: It's not Apples to Pears. Points were obsoleted to electronic ignition long before electronic engine controls & sophisticated emmisions came along. Electronic ignition was first developed to address the short commings of mechanical points and not to accomodate emmisions issues (other than the fact that dirty points cause pollution) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition > Not to be flogging a dead horse, but > modern cars need to vary the ignition timing (among other factors) > for emissions and economy reasons which depend on the load and a > number of other conditions... > > You can't vary mechanical point dwell or ignition timing while under > way!! At least, not easily.... From froggi60 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 18:40:25 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:40:25 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.evapo-rust.com/ Be sure to watch the video; works as you see it. Bought a gallon of this last week. Plan on buying a 5 gallon bucket for ease-of-use. I've done Bugeye MC, brake drums, tools, rotor, axle...anything I could get my hands on that had rust. THIS STUFF WORKS!!! Soaked rubber parts (brake cups, seals), painted parts, aluminum. Does no harm...just as it claims. Rinses off with water, without having to 'scrub' it off. Best rust removal product I've ever used. Am I the last to find out about this stuff??? Herb Grants Pass, OR From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Mar 18 18:53:58 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:53:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <49C1370A.14785.2521E26@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: >>> virtually all modern cars have electronic ignition >>> WITHOUT POINTS. But REAL electronic ignitions...NOT Pertronix, and they have it so the computer can control ignition to lower emissions. Pertronix doesn't improve performance, and it can fail. It's just an electronic switch that replaces the points. Regular points work fine up to around 9000rpm. If you frequently exceed 9,000rpm, then you definitely need something more adequate than either points or Pertronix. BTW, it there a name for a phobic fear of contact points? BZ From cclabaw at juno.com Wed Mar 18 19:03:46 2009 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:03:46 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. Message-ID: <20090318.190346.28150.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> 'been using it for years. Clay L. '67 Sprite ---------- Original Message ---------- From: WFO Herb To: Spridgeteers , Wedge List , "Ed's Spridgeteers" <9issa at justbrits.com> Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:40:25 -0700 http://www.evapo-rust.com/ Be sure to watch the video; works as you see it. Bought a gallon of this last week. Plan on buying a 5 gallon bucket for ease-of-use. I've done Bugeye MC, brake drums, tools, rotor, axle...anything I could get my hands on that had rust. THIS STUFF WORKS!!! Soaked rubber parts (brake cups, seals), painted parts, aluminum. Does no harm...just as it claims. Rinses off with water, without having to 'scrub' it off. Best rust removal product I've ever used. Am I the last to find out about this stuff??? Herb Grants Pass, OR You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmSUz5P3rQxWCYBTxA2oE7Wbf LkyTKKBmHf1d8oI4NY7VZFoOha/ From mdmyers_ct at juno.com Wed Mar 18 19:07:08 2009 From: mdmyers_ct at juno.com (Michael D Myers) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Crane Cams Message-ID: <20090318.220709.2472.0.mdmyers_ct@juno.com> It may be difficult to get Crane parts: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090227/CARNEWS/902279984 Mike Myers ____________________________________________________________ Boost your business with a small business loan. 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From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 19:37:27 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition Message-ID: <69983.52198.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Billy Zoom wrote: > the points. Regular points work fine up to around 9000rpm. > If you frequently > exceed 9,000rpm, then you definitely need something more > adequate than > either points or Pertronix. I tried once by accident. My rocker shaft broke before the points bounced. Ron From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:40:45 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com> Dave, It matters big time! Negative side goes to the points... Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave G. wrote: > I'm trying to resolve a problem with the carbs spitting back at me > when the engine gets to around 3,000rpm. > > No leaks, mixture good, tried varying the timing +/- 5 degrees, all > with no success... > > So I want to replace the coil.... Postive earth car. The Old and the > New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' > and '-'. > Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? > > Thanks > > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > > If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still > alive !! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 19:44:33 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:44:33 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <49C11183.3000003@smarc.net> References: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> <5f00d9910903180817v477c682fv48cd687a58d1098c@mail.gmail.com> <49C11183.3000003@smarc.net> Message-ID: <49C1B191.4070005@comcast.net> Marc wrote: > New pilot bearing (not bushing) was installed. >>> It rattles horrendously from the >>> transmission while driving or idling. Loose flywheel bolts will make one hell of a racket when it's running. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:44:48 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:44:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question...BELAY THAT!!! Message-ID: <43840a7e0903181944m551e96bre529761ae5eb1c3d@mail.gmail.com> Dave,,, Sorry!! You said Positive earth!! Missed that! In that case the white wire goes to the tach from the + terminal on the coil. Negative to the points as I said.... Someone will correct me if I'm turned around on this so hang on a bit before you try.... Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Jim Johnson wrote: > Dave, > > It matters big time! Negative side goes to the points... > > Cheers!! > Jim > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave G. wrote: > >> I'm trying to resolve a problem with the carbs spitting back at me >> when the engine gets to around 3,000rpm. >> >> No leaks, mixture good, tried varying the timing +/- 5 degrees, all >> with no success... >> >> So I want to replace the coil.... Postive earth car. The Old and the >> New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' >> and '-'. >> Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Dave G. KK7SS >> '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA >> >> If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still >> alive !! >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough > to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 18 19:47:55 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:47:55 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] calling all engines 100 hp+ In-Reply-To: <1489532561.20090318183432@pacifier.com> References: <49C03872.7020307@comcast.net> <402188520903180714x7206d479p63db33016f3df6c8@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903181226x304ed000q94c495c27d4549a4@mail.gmail.com> <1489532561.20090318183432@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Don't know where I heard it, but a positive ground car is supposed to give a better spark at the plugs. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite (positive ground) 56 BN2 (also positive ground, or it will be when it's finished) On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Bill L wrote: > Hello Dean, > > Someone will most surely correct me if I'm wrong but I > > BELIEVE... positive ground car, Positive goes to the points. Its > the grounding part of the circuit. and it DOES make a difference. > the car will run with the coil hooked up backward, but not as > well. > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > On a clear disk you can seek forever. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From biffjones at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 19:48:19 2009 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:48:19 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> <43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1> NOT in a positive ground car..................... Reread his original message ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" To: > Dave, > > It matters big time! Negative side goes to the points... > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave G. wrote: > >> I'm trying to resolve a problem >> So I want to replace the coil.... >> Postive earth car. The Old and the >> New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' >> and '-'. >> Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Dave G. KK7SS [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: 03/18/09 07:17:00 From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 19:52:29 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:52:29 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: Message-ID: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> Fine, I am all for arguing the quality of a given aftermarket electronic ignition system. If Pertronix Ignitors fail more often than points do then its a serious problem that should be talked about. Maybe it was only the earlier versions that had a tendency to fail. But I do believe points belong in the museum right there next to knife switches, spark gap transmitters, and Lucas generator regulators. I can understand how someone with a concours vehicle may want to stick with a correct distributor and points. But I don't believe that type of car is driven very much on the street. And no, electronic ignition in your car today is a result of the evolution over time as engineers realized they could get rid of the mechanical matinence of points. Only later did they put the ignition under computer control for emmisions purposes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom"Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition >>>> virtually all modern cars have electronic ignition >>>> WITHOUT POINTS. > But REAL electronic ignitions...NOT Pertronix, and they have it so the > computer can control ignition to lower emissions. Pertronix doesn't improve > performance, and it can fail. It's just an electronic switch that replaces > the points. Regular points work fine up to around 9000rpm. If you frequently > exceed 9,000rpm, then you definitely need something more adequate than > either points or Pertronix. > BTW, it there a name for a phobic fear of contact points? From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 20:05:34 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Lady Bug painted Message-ID: <49C1B67E.3050002@comcast.net> And it came out real nice. I painted it myself this time. My son usually does the spraying. My paint job came out better than any of his so I'm patting myself on the back. No runs, sags, nice flow, only one gnat and the usual garage dust which buffs out. The bodywork, welding 2 cars together and deseaming the rear and bonnet came out perfect. For now it's resale red but my daughter wants it to look like a lady bug so black vinyl stick on spots will be ordered from her grandfather in various sizes. I still have to work on eye lashes and I'm think steel rack prongs will work for these. anybody have an idea for wings? Not when moving, just when she is impressing the boys in rice rides. From smarc at smarc.net Wed Mar 18 20:21:25 2009 From: smarc at smarc.net (Marc) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:21:25 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <49C1B191.4070005@comcast.net> References: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> <5f00d9910903180817v477c682fv48cd687a58d1098c@mail.gmail.com> <49C11183.3000003@smarc.net> <49C1B191.4070005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49C1BA35.7050107@smarc.net> Uh... thats a frightening thought.... Here's where I convince myself thats not the problem since I properly torqued the flywheel bolts and used loctite on them... I'm pretty sure it's either the throwout bearing or something goofy with the pressure plate. I first thought the engine was pinging terribly, until I drove past a wall that reflected the sound back to me so I could hear it coming from underneath. Which is also when I noticed the slightest pressure on the clutch pedal would make it stop rattling. I'm going to see if I can find a few minutes this week to put it on the lift and see if I can see anything though the fork opening... Dont have time to yank the motor for probably a couple weeks yet.. Frank wrote: > Marc wrote: >> New pilot bearing (not bushing) was installed. >>>> It rattles horrendously from the >>>> transmission while driving or idling. > Loose flywheel bolts will make one hell of a racket when it's running. -- Marc From Miniac7 at aol.com Wed Mar 18 20:32:10 2009 From: Miniac7 at aol.com (Miniac7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:32:10 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Mini parts Message-ID: Post a thread on the Mini Mania message board. Howard Collins **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 22:14:02 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:14:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> References: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> Dean, In my case the Pertronix unit was brand new in May of last year. It lasted 20 minutes. I hooked it up according to the instructions. I double checked it after it failed to be sure I hadn't installed it incorrectly. I hadn't. So if the Pertronix is so spiffy, why did mine fail after 20 minutes and why have a number of other people had the same experience. Not saying the Pertronix is bad because I know people who have used them for years and love them. Just asking why some of us have had such horrible luck with them. Sure points are dinosaur technology, but the damned things work in all my antique vehicles! They don't leave me by the side of the road calling AAA for a tow home! It's easy to keep a spare set in the tool kit and they are quick to change. Should I also carry several spare sets of Pertronix ignitors at $90 a whack? Cheers!! Jim the ever curious... On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Dean Hedin wrote: > Fine, I am all for arguing the quality of a given aftermarket electronic > ignition system. > If Pertronix Ignitors fail more often than points do then its a serious > problem that should be > talked about. Maybe it was only the earlier versions that had a tendency > to fail. > > But I do believe points belong in the museum right there next to knife > switches, spark gap transmitters, > and Lucas generator regulators. > > I can understand how someone with a concours vehicle may want to stick with > a correct distributor and points. > But I don't believe that type of car is driven very much on the street. > > And no, electronic ignition in your car today is a result of the evolution > over time as engineers realized they could get rid of the mechanical > matinence of points. Only later did they put the ignition under computer > control for emmisions purposes. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom"Subject: Re: [Spridgets] > Electronic Ignition > > > virtually all modern cars have electronic ignition >>>>> WITHOUT POINTS. >>>>> >>>> But REAL electronic ignitions...NOT Pertronix, and they have it so the >> computer can control ignition to lower emissions. Pertronix doesn't >> improve >> performance, and it can fail. It's just an electronic switch that replaces >> the points. Regular points work fine up to around 9000rpm. If you >> frequently >> exceed 9,000rpm, then you definitely need something more adequate than >> either points or Pertronix. >> BTW, it there a name for a phobic fear of contact points? >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 22:20:00 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:20:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: <655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1> References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> <43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com> <655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903182220y4d9a030br5834625574099023@mail.gmail.com> Biff, Educate me. What am I missing here? Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Biff Jones wrote: > NOT in a positive ground car..................... > > Reread his original message > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" > To: > > Dave, >> >> It matters big time! Negative side goes to the points... >> >> Cheers!! >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave G. wrote: >> >> I'm trying to resolve a problem >> So I want to replace the coil.... >>> Postive earth car. The Old and the >>> New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' >>> and '-'. >>> Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> Dave G. KK7SS >>> >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: 03/18/09 > 07:17:00 > > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 22:24:50 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] value of rebuildable ribcase In-Reply-To: <49C1BA35.7050107@smarc.net> References: <21634.12278.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C10DB4.4090501@smarc.net> <5f00d9910903180817v477c682fv48cd687a58d1098c@mail.gmail.com> <49C11183.3000003@smarc.net> <49C1B191.4070005@comcast.net> <49C1BA35.7050107@smarc.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903182224s6d624535mfe3acbf09d0b81fc@mail.gmail.com> Marc, I had a rattling ping on the Midget. Turned out to be an exhaust clamp rattling on the pipe. It also disappeared with certain engine RPMs because the resonance changed the vibration of the pipe in the clamp. Look or simple things before worrying about internals. Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Marc wrote: > Uh... thats a frightening thought.... Here's where I convince myself thats > not the problem since I properly torqued the flywheel bolts and used loctite > on them... > > I'm pretty sure it's either the throwout bearing or something goofy with > the pressure plate. I first thought the engine was pinging terribly, until I > drove past a wall that reflected the sound back to me so I could hear it > coming from underneath. Which is also when I noticed the slightest pressure > on the clutch pedal would make it stop rattling. > > I'm going to see if I can find a few minutes this week to put it on the > lift and see if I can see anything though the fork opening... Dont have time > to yank the motor for probably a couple weeks yet.. > > Frank wrote: > >> Marc wrote: >> >>> New pilot bearing (not bushing) was installed. >>> >>>> It rattles horrendously from the >>>>> transmission while driving or idling. >>>>> >>>> Loose flywheel bolts will make one hell of a racket when it's running. >> > -- > > Marc > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 03:27:37 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:27:37 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Lady Bug painted In-Reply-To: <49C1B67E.3050002@comcast.net> References: <49C1B67E.3050002@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903190327m3b0ab496t4277bcf74f6413a6@mail.gmail.com> Can hardly wait to see your paint work : ) Lin On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Frank wrote: > And it came out real nice. > I painted it myself this time. My son usually does the spraying. > My paint job came out better than any of his so I'm patting myself on the > back. > No runs, sags, nice flow, only one gnat and the usual garage dust which > buffs out. > The bodywork, welding 2 cars together and deseaming the rear and bonnet > came out perfect. > For now it's resale red but my daughter wants it to look like a lady bug so > black vinyl stick on spots will be ordered from her grandfather in various > sizes. I still have to work on eye lashes and I'm think steel rack prongs > will work for these. > anybody have an idea for wings? Not when moving, just when she is > impressing the boys in rice rides. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 04:53:05 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:53:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net><43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com><655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1> <43840a7e0903182220y4d9a030br5834625574099023@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim, points go to ground. In this case, he has positive ground. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" To: "Biff Jones" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Coil question... Biff, Educate me. What am I missing here? Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Biff Jones wrote: > NOT in a positive ground car..................... > > Reread his original message > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" > To: > > Dave, >> >> It matters big time! Negative side goes to the points... >> >> Cheers!! >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave G. wrote: >> >> I'm trying to resolve a problem >> So I want to replace the coil.... >>> Postive earth car. The Old and the >>> New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' >>> and '-'. >>> Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> Dave G. KK7SS >>> >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: 03/18/09 > 07:17:00 > > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 05:12:52 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:12:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> <43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50FC9E506A04437C8A547F0531616C65@rwa> > In my case the Pertronix unit was brand new in May of last year. It lasted > 20 minutes. I hooked it up according to the instructions. I double > checked > it after it failed to be sure I hadn't installed it incorrectly. I hadn't. > So if the Pertronix is so spiffy, why did mine fail after 20 minutes and > why > have a number of other people had the same experience. And if you had called Pertronix, they would have replaced it for you. Even if it had been caused by user error. IMHO, the usual reasons for a failure like this is that either the ignition was left on with the engine stopped for too long, or else the ground was bad. Please remember that there is no ground wire on the Pertronix; it depends on the points plate being adequately grounded. If the braided ground wire is not actually conducting anything, the only ground it will get is through the mechanical advance and that is iffy at best. Electrons do not like "iffy" when it comes to power and ground. Did you verify that the braid was present and functional? David Lieb From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Mar 19 05:42:50 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:42:50 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: References: <49C1370A.14785.2521E26@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: Haptophobia ? > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:53:58 -0700 > BTW, it there a name for a phobic fear of contact points? From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 05:58:26 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> <43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com> <655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1> <43840a7e0903182220y4d9a030br5834625574099023@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com> So the current flows from positive to negative, right? Then you would want the wire from the points to the coil to go from the points (positive to ground) to the negative on the coil, right? Somehow I'm getting something backwards here... Like driving on the wrong side of the road.. ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: > Jim, points go to ground. In this case, he has positive ground. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Johnson" > To: "Biff Jones" > Cc: "spridgets" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Coil question... > > > Biff, > > Educate me. What am I missing here? > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Biff Jones wrote: > > > NOT in a positive ground car..................... > > > > Reread his original message > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" > > To: > > > > Dave, > >> > >> It matters big time! Negative side goes to the points... > >> > >> Cheers!! > >> Jim > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave G. wrote: > >> > >> I'm trying to resolve a problem >> So I want to replace the coil.... > >>> Postive earth car. The Old and the > >>> New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' > >>> and '-'. > >>> Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Dave G. KK7SS > >>> > >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: > 03/18/09 > > 07:17:00 > > > > > > > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough > to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 06:02:32 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:02:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net><43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com><655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1><43840a7e0903182220y4d9a030br5834625574099023@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <398253AE58E74B09AFC478D6721D9DD9@rwa> >> Educate me. What am I missing here? Jim, Just ask yourself,"Where is the other end of the secondary winding?" David Lieb From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 06:02:59 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <50FC9E506A04437C8A547F0531616C65@rwa> References: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> <43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> <50FC9E506A04437C8A547F0531616C65@rwa> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903190602l5d11ab60r532287ceea0fe943@mail.gmail.com> David, Well, I didn't put a meter on it, but I also didn't change anything in the dizzy other than take out the points and put in the Pertronix. I took the Pertronix out and put the points back in sitting in a Supermarket parking lot and the car started right up and has been running fine on the points ever since. Surely it wouldn't run well if there was a ground problem? Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, 72 Spridget <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > In my case the Pertronix unit was brand new in May of last year. It lasted >> 20 minutes. I hooked it up according to the instructions. I double >> checked >> it after it failed to be sure I hadn't installed it incorrectly. I hadn't. >> So if the Pertronix is so spiffy, why did mine fail after 20 minutes and >> why >> have a number of other people had the same experience. >> > > And if you had called Pertronix, they would have replaced it for you. Even > if it had been caused by user error. IMHO, the usual reasons for a failure > like this is that either the ignition was left on with the engine stopped > for too long, or else the ground was bad. Please remember that there is no > ground wire on the Pertronix; it depends on the points plate being > adequately grounded. If the braided ground wire is not actually conducting > anything, the only ground it will get is through the mechanical advance and > that is iffy at best. Electrons do not like "iffy" when it comes to power > and ground. Did you verify that the braid was present and functional? > David Lieb > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 06:02:41 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:02:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> <43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com> <655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1> <43840a7e0903182220y4d9a030br5834625574099023@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: He has positive ground, so the points switch connects the positive side of the coil to ground. Hook up the points to + on the coil. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Johnson To: Larry Daniels Cc: Biff Jones ; spridgets Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Coil question... So the current flows from positive to negative, right? Then you would want the wire from the points to the coil to go from the points (positive to ground) to the negative on the coil, right? Somehow I'm getting something backwards here... Like driving on the wrong side of the road.. ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: Jim, points go to ground. In this case, he has positive ground. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" To: "Biff Jones" Cc: "spridgets" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Coil question... Biff, Educate me. What am I missing here? Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Biff Jones wrote: > NOT in a positive ground car..................... > > Reread his original message > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" > To: > > Dave, >> >> It matters big time! Negative side goes to the points... >> >> Cheers!! >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave G. wrote: >> >> I'm trying to resolve a problem >> So I want to replace the coil.... >>> Postive earth car. The Old and the >>> New coil (Lucas Sport) low tension connections are both marked '+' >>> and '-'. >>> Which goes to the points - the '+' or the '-' or doesn't it matter ?? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> Dave G. KK7SS >>> >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: 03/18/09 > 07:17:00 > > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Thu Mar 19 06:22:33 2009 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:22:33 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition Message-ID: <1e14501c9a895$c2ee4b40$0168010a@mail2world.com> I have to believe there is am emissions control component to the adoption of electronic ignition. GM HEI showed up in cars as cheap as the Vega and the Chevette in 1975 or so. The BL cars sold in the US got electronic ignition (remember those OPUS units, you 1500 guys) in 1975 as well, while the UK kept points up to the end of production. Why would BL (or GM, for that matter) put a more expensive component into the car unless they absolutely HAD to? I agree it was an evolution - first the electronic switching and the hotter spark for the leaner mixtures for better emmisions. Then electronic spark control, and then electronic fuel control (computerized carbs, TB FI, and later muli-port FI). The by-product of this was eventually more power while still cleaner exhaust. That said, I am running an electronic ignition on my 1500 - it's the CEI black box and 45DM4 dizzy that was the warranty replacement for the failing OPUS units. The thing is 30 years old and works flawlessly. Just my 2 cents. -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: Dean Hedin [dlh2001 at comcast.net] Sent: 3/18/2009 9:53:29 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition Fine, I am all for arguing the quality of a given aftermarket electronic ignition system. If Pertronix Ignitors fail more often than points do then its a serious problem that should be talked about. Maybe it was only the earlier versions that had a tendency to fail. But I do believe points belong in the museum right there next to knife switches, spark gap transmitters, and Lucas generator regulators. I can understand how someone with a concours vehicle may want to stick with a correct distributor and points. But I don't believe that type of car is driven very much on the street. And no, electronic ignition in your car today is a result of the evolution over time as engineers realized they could get rid of the mechanical matinence of points. Only later did they put the ignition under computer control for emmisions purposes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom"Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition >>>> virtually all modern cars have electronic ignition >>>> WITHOUT POINTS. > But REAL electronic ignitions...NOT Pertronix, and they have it so the > computer can control ignition to lower emissions. Pertronix doesn't improve > performance, and it can fail. It's just an electronic switch that replaces > the points. Regular points work fine up to around 9000rpm. If you frequently > exceed 9,000rpm, then you definitely need something more adequate than > either points or Pertronix. > BTW, it there a name for a phobic fear of contact points? _______________________________________________ . From peter at nosimport.com Thu Mar 19 06:29:04 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <2A14C19973864E8188D9DC382327FFAD@blackbox2> References: <200903180742657.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <2A14C19973864E8188D9DC382327FFAD@blackbox2> Message-ID: <200903190529464.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Dean, Your points are well taken. (all puns acknowledged are intended) If you were directing your statements to me, the thing that I made is strictly for that little niche in the market that wants something transistorized, something reliable (more than a condenser), and that looks to all the world, original. I personally find the black and red wires of the Pertronix, and the finned thing of the Piranha, Lumenition, and Crane units in poor taste. But it's a personal choice. I have never said that points are more reliable than electronics, though they may be more "roadside repairable". Absolutely, bad or "iffy" wiring is almost always the cause of failure.... be it ground or supply. Heck, some people feel that a worn distributor bearing can be overcome with one of these electronic bits. They don't know about air gap. There's no substitute for properly maintained components. Peter "is this horse dead enough?" C == At 07:53 PM 3/18/2009, you wrote: >A "low voltage to the points" electronic ignition system is OK, but >once you get to the stage of a transistor firing the coil then you >might as well go to the next tiny step and have the magnetic or >optical sensor fire the transistor instead of the points. >This is, after all, what a Pertronix is. > >The problem with the points is not just the arcing, it is the fact >that the cam wears >and they bounce at high rpm, etc... Those problems all go away >with the Pertronix and systems like the 123. > >When it comes to failures of these electronic ignitions, I think it >really comes down to is that you can't "cook" a set of points by >hooking up wires incorrectly like you can with a >circuit that is encased in epoxy and cost $90. > >Any you know what? It shouldn't cook. If you spend $90 for >something to replace a $10 set of points then it should last a >mighty long time. Even if you accidentially connect those leads up >the wrong way the first time around. > >The reason nobody on this list has gripes about the electronic >ignition on thier modern cars is that they did not have to install >it themselves. > >You guys can argue the quality of the aftermarket electronic >systems, and you can argue whether it's "vintage correct" to have >points vs. electronic ignition. But you can't argue that points are >better or are more reliable than electronic ignition systems because >that is disproven by the fact that virtually all modern cars have >electronic ignition WITHOUT POINTS. From John.Deikis at va.gov Thu Mar 19 06:53:50 2009 From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:53:50 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Pertronix Models Message-ID: I think electronics are a good thing because they are potentially robust and replace little machines with solid state stuff. But any electronic "improvement" has to be nominally 100% reliable or it's not worth the upgrade. My transistorized SU fuel pump on my TD has been perfect for over 20 years. I've had a Crane ignition in my TD for maybe 15 years and it triggers reliably in an oily environment that fouled points regularly. It's a terrific improvement, but I'm frankly surprised such a flimsy device has lasted. I have had 2 Pertronix triggers in the vintage race Midget. I've gone back to points and condenser because when these things have quit, it has been without warning and has ruined my race day. Ask Rick Fisk! Moral of my story: if the machine works adequately and reliably with acceptable maintenance, I will continue to use it. If specific conditions demand an improvement, I'll upgrade. JohnD From: "JLC" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Question Re. Pertonix Models To: "'Kirk Hargreaves'" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kirk, I have had a Pertronix, first issue, since March 2003 in my Lotus Seven. Still there, still working. On my Bugeye, I did fry the first one I had, but that was most likely due to me leaving the ignition on with the engine not running, and I fried it in my garage, not on the track. I think the second version of the Pertronix is immune to that problem. Seeing that some on this list cannot get more than 20 minutes with a Pertronix without it failing, I guess I am lucky. I ran about 30 practice/races with the Pertronix in my Bugeye with no problems, and six years on the road at about 3000 miles per year in my Lotus, again without trouble. JLC Kirk wrote: Was there an upgrade in the Pertronix series? I think I recall that mine was the second iteration of the design? But not sure. . might have said Pertronix II or something like that on the box. . it has been a long while. I also seem to recall that the earlier versions, if there were earlier versions, were the ones that had reliability issues? From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 07:11:34 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:11:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 100+ HP In-Reply-To: <6B3AD1F505734E6EAE607F60CC272613@Larry> References: <464771.83588.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6B3AD1F505734E6EAE607F60CC272613@Larry> Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903190711h7aa49f06tdda9e550f299e88@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > The secret is to stop the sickness before > your wallet is empty. > Dang it. Didn't even get to start! My wallet's already empty. From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 07:27:44 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Any Holy Sprite Interiopr pictures Message-ID: <205cef430903190727v6fc398ctbbdc2acde2fc8965@mail.gmail.com> List, Does anyone have a link to pics or just pics of the interior of Holy Sprite? I wanted to show it to my friend at work but I can't find any on: http://www.starrtech.net/~jimj/Holy_Sprite/Holy_Sprite.html Thats in advance, Linda From frog.aye at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 07:46:46 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:46:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net> <43840a7e0903181940j7cfb7e4ajbff5aa4e1dc218bd@mail.gmail.com> <655B2DF790AC4F1CB4C65240DB3A45EF@dell1> <43840a7e0903182220y4d9a030br5834625574099023@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8140903190746x4580bc06we94b7480a11add10@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Jim Johnson wrote: > So the current flows from positive to negative, right? Well, not exactly: electron flow is actually from negative to positive. But this concept is of most interest to scientists and engineers and really shouldn't affect what goes on unless you are interested in knowing what's happening inside your electronic ignition. Hal From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 07:47:44 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:47:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Any Holy Sprite Interiopr pictures In-Reply-To: <205cef430903190727v6fc398ctbbdc2acde2fc8965@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903190727v6fc398ctbbdc2acde2fc8965@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903190747n31039fd2wa4bacfa4aed9bc0c@mail.gmail.com> > Does anyone have a link to pics or just pics of the interior of Holy Sprite? > I wanted to show it to my friend at work but I can't find any on: > > http://www.starrtech.net/~jimj/Holy_Sprite/Holy_Sprite.html Before or after? From stevenm at optonline.net Thu Mar 19 07:50:58 2009 From: stevenm at optonline.net (Steven Michelsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:50:58 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application References: <392579.63964.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41D149D88EB0402097B9ACEFC3E48E79@1705n3> I received the following request from a guy in East Malaysia (I guess there's at least ONE spridget there!) Can someone please advise him - email him directly at raymondchong01 at yahoo.com . (Raymond: join the group! See this page for more) Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Chong" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application > > Dear Steven, > > I would be very much obliged if you could pass info or contact to obtain a kit for cyl head conversion for unleaded petrol application (1098cc). > > I intended to convert the cyl head locally by machine shop in my home country of East Malaysia, which is situated in the Northern part of the Borneo island. But no resources available in my home town. > > May I have some advice and feedback? > > Thank You & Best Regards, > Raymond. From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 08:05:15 2009 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C25F2B.8070604@sbcglobal.net> This conversation of points vs. Pertronix vs. Crane vs. Mallory, etc. has been very interesting and educational. What is the conventional wisdom on the genuine Lucas 45DM4 CEI distributor used on the last of the MGs? This is the one with the remote black box under the coil found on 1500s and MGBs. (Not be be confused with the all-in-one 45DE4 that proved to be unreliable and was replaced by the 45DM4.) I have a couple of these and have had no problems at all. Lee From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 08:06:44 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903190746x4580bc06we94b7480a11add10@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com>, <4333f8140903190746x4580bc06we94b7480a11add10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C1FD14.31808.3630C1@kk7ss.verizon.net> "Conventional Current" - flows from Positive to Negative, "Electron Flow" - flows from Negative to Positive Confusing... Ain't it?? That's why I asked my question in the first place ;-)) Can we consider the thread closed?? I did get my answer.... many, many thanks... On 19 Mar 2009 at 6:46, Hal Faulkner wrote: >> Well, not exactly: electron flow is actually from negative to >> positive. But this concept is of most interest to scientists and >> engineers and really shouldn't affect what goes on unless you are >> interested in knowing what's happening inside your electronic >> ignition. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From derf247 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 08:14:56 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:14:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application In-Reply-To: <41D149D88EB0402097B9ACEFC3E48E79@1705n3> References: <392579.63964.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <41D149D88EB0402097B9ACEFC3E48E79@1705n3> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903190814x1d945f4lf679b0cc0f05ab7c@mail.gmail.com> I don't think you need to do the conversion. Anyone else agree? From peter at nosimport.com Thu Mar 19 08:15:40 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <49C25F2B.8070604@sbcglobal.net> References: <49C25F2B.8070604@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200903190715324.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Lee, Without actually looking in books, etc. I recall that those had a GM common, reliable module, and were quite dependable. Peter C == At 10:05 AM 3/19/2009, Lee Fox wrote: >This conversation of points vs. Pertronix vs. Crane vs. Mallory, >etc. has been very interesting and educational. > >What is the conventional wisdom on the genuine Lucas 45DM4 CEI >distributor used on the last of the MGs? > >This is the one with the remote black box under the coil found on >1500s and MGBs. (Not be be confused with the all-in-one 45DE4 that >proved to be unreliable and was replaced by the 45DM4.) > >I have a couple of these and have had no problems at all. > >Lee >_______________________________________________ From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Mar 19 08:16:07 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:16:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> <43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <06707CA96AD044039C603EDA2FAB648B@Home> >Maybe it was only the earlier versions that had a tendency to fail. Early failure is characteristic of electronic gadgets. If they are weak, they tend to fail right away. If not, they last a very long time. I've had this experience with computers. I tend now to buy factory recondition gadgets because they have been used long enough to reveal whatever weaknesses got them returned, and I believe they get inspected better than new units. This doesn't always work, however. I just returned a tankless hot water heater that fell apart when I took it out of the box. It was clear that someone had started working on it, left it for some reason, and someone else thought it was done and reboxed it. Michael Rowe Long Island, NY From pythias at pacifier.com Thu Mar 19 08:16:41 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: <49C1FD14.31808.3630C1@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49C138CD.27189.25900D6@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com>, <4333f8140903190746x4580bc06we94b7480a11add10@mail.gmail.com> <49C1FD14.31808.3630C1@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <1427911326.20090319081641@pacifier.com> Hello Dave, I don't think we can close the thread until we have more responses that we did for Old English White, or Gold vs. Silver Arrow. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" When there's a will, I want to be in it From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Mar 19 08:25:17 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:25:17 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <06707CA96AD044039C603EDA2FAB648B@Home> References: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> <43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> <06707CA96AD044039C603EDA2FAB648B@Home> Message-ID: Sounds like a tankless task! ;) ---------------------------------------- > I just returned a tankless hot water > heater that fell apart when I took it out of the box. It was clear that > someone had started working on it, left it for some reason, and someone else > thought it was done and reboxed it. > > Michael Rowe From frog.aye at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 08:49:47 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:49:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Those F'ing CDs that [don't seem to]Rock [anymore] Message-ID: <4333f8140903190849x7390d259x2f10b18a9d634616@mail.gmail.com> Hey, what happened? A couple of days ago I tried to open my Heritage Motor Centre CD of manuals for the bugeye, in search of torque information for the rear axle: it wouldn't open. Got a "not a pdf or corrupt file " error message. Thinking that it could be my cd reader, I tried it on another computer, same result. Well, it's wierd that it won't read the files, so I tried a third computer, and finally a fourth: no joy. Thinking, it must be the CD, I tried my other CD for the later models. Same story. Both CDs used to work. Here's the info: operating systems Win 2K advanced server, Win 2K, Ubunntu linux. All various pentium type computers with plenty of memory. Both acrobat reader and Foxit give me the same result. Other pdf files open just fine. I've got to think it's got something to do with the copy protection system on the CDs. Anyone else had a similar problem? Know how to defeat the copy protection? Hal From peter at nosimport.com Thu Mar 19 08:58:53 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:58:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Those F'ing CDs that [don't seem to]Rock [anymore] In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903190849x7390d259x2f10b18a9d634616@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4333f8140903190849x7390d259x2f10b18a9d634616@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903190758810.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> I just put in 3 different ones. All work perfectly. Try cleaning your points? Peter C == At 10:49 AM 3/19/2009, you wrote: >Hey, what happened? >A couple of days ago I tried to open my Heritage Motor Centre CD of manuals >for the bugeye, in search of torque information for the rear axle: it >wouldn't open. Got a "not a pdf or corrupt file " error message. >Thinking that it could be my cd reader, I tried it on another computer, same >result. Well, it's wierd that it won't read the files, so I tried a third >computer, and finally a fourth: no joy. Thinking, it must be the CD, I >tried my other CD for the later models. Same story. Both CDs used to work. >Here's the info: operating systems Win 2K advanced server, Win 2K, Ubunntu >linux. All various pentium type computers with plenty of memory. Both >acrobat reader and Foxit give me the same result. >Other pdf files open just fine. I've got to think it's got something to do >with the copy protection system on the CDs. >Anyone else had a similar problem? Know how to defeat the copy protection? >Hal From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Thu Mar 19 10:25:15 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:25:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application References: <392579.63964.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><41D149D88EB0402097B9ACEFC3E48E79@1705n3> <5f00d9910903190814x1d945f4lf679b0cc0f05ab7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006301c9a8b7$ac612920$f675fea9@p0k7l8> I agree, Derf. There must be something to be said for a cylinder head with no seats, just cast iron, that will work leaded or unleaded fuel, seemingly forever! My 1098 just ran and ran with never a burned valve or seat with it's no lead diet. That included 10-12 hour stretches on freeways on our USA West Coast. Wonderful to save all that money not spent on lead additives! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "derf" To: "Steven Michelsen" Cc: ; ; "Chong" ; Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application > I don't think you need to do the conversion. > Anyone else agree? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From JMFarley50 at aol.com Thu Mar 19 09:33:46 2009 From: JMFarley50 at aol.com (JMFarley50 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:33:46 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Differential Rebuild Message-ID: I am installing a 3.9 differential in my 1275 Bugeye. I replaced all the bearings and upon re-assembly the pinion bound up with only about 50 lb.ft. torque applied to the pinion nut. The spec is 135 to 140 lb.ft. What I suspect is that the old collapsible spacer on the pinion shaft is collapsed too much for the new bearings. I have a new collapsible spacer on the way. In looking over the Leyland workshop manual, it says that if the pinion nut is tightened to the correct torque reading of 135 to 140 lb.ft., the collapsible spacer collapses to give the correct bearing preload. It also says that it will only perform this function once. I don't want to over collapse this spacer and end up with the pinion binding again, and yet want to have the pinion nut tightened properly. Are there any inputs as to how to accomplish this? Should I apply the torque in increments, working up to the spec.? What torque will be required to start the spacer to collapse? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From kentmclean at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 09:34:35 2009 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Lady Bug painted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C2741B.5020705@comcast.net> Frank wrote: > anybody have an idea for wings? Not when moving, just when she is > impressing the boys in rice rides. Those Victoria Secret angel wings look real nice. Or did you mean for the car? -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From cciaffone at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 09:35:03 2009 From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Those F'ing CDs that [don't seem to]Rock [anymore] In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903190849x7390d259x2f10b18a9d634616@mail.gmail.com> References: <4333f8140903190849x7390d259x2f10b18a9d634616@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C27437.60107@verizon.net> Hal, can you open the CD with Explorer and copy the PDF files to the hard drive and try from there??? Hal Faulkner wrote: > Hey, what happened? > A couple of days ago I tried to open my Heritage Motor Centre CD of manuals > for the bugeye, in search of torque information for the rear axle: it > wouldn't open. Got a "not a pdf or corrupt file " error message. > Thinking that it could be my cd reader, I tried it on another computer, same > result. Well, it's wierd that it won't read the files, so I tried a third > computer, and finally a fourth: no joy. Thinking, it must be the CD, I > tried my other CD for the later models. Same story. Both CDs used to work. > Here's the info: operating systems Win 2K advanced server, Win 2K, Ubunntu > linux. All various pentium type computers with plenty of memory. Both > acrobat reader and Foxit give me the same result. > Other pdf files open just fine. I've got to think it's got something to do > with the copy protection system on the CDs. > Anyone else had a similar problem? Know how to defeat the copy protection? > Hal From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 09:49:49 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:49:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Those F'ing CDs that [don't seem to]Rock [anymore] In-Reply-To: <49C27437.60107@verizon.net> References: <4333f8140903190849x7390d259x2f10b18a9d634616@mail.gmail.com> <49C27437.60107@verizon.net> Message-ID: <402188520903190949t53884dc0kd5e1042901a32d71@mail.gmail.com> I hate to say it, but it could be the version of Acrobat Reader. What are you on? David On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM, chuck wrote: > Hal, can you open the CD with Explorer and copy the PDF files > to the hard drive and try from there??? > > Hal Faulkner wrote: >> >> Hey, what happened? >> A couple of days ago I tried to open my Heritage Motor Centre CD of >> manuals >> for the bugeye, in search of torque information for the rear axle: it >> wouldn't open. Got a "not a pdf or corrupt file " error message. >> Thinking that it could be my cd reader, I tried it on another computer, >> same >> result. Well, it's wierd that it won't read the files, so I tried a third >> computer, and finally a fourth: no joy. Thinking, it must be the CD, I >> tried my other CD for the later models. Same story. Both CDs used to >> work. >> Here's the info: operating systems Win 2K advanced server, Win 2K, Ubunntu >> linux. All various pentium type computers with plenty of memory. Both >> acrobat reader and Foxit give me the same result. >> Other pdf files open just fine. I've got to think it's got something to >> do >> with the copy protection system on the CDs. >> Anyone else had a similar problem? Know how to defeat the copy >> protection? >> Hal > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 72spridget at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From frog.aye at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 09:49:56 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:49:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Differential Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4333f8140903190949t684c41dao3c3fed0542246229@mail.gmail.com> John, Where are you getting your collapsible spacer? I got mine from a M#%@ dealer and I don't feel it worked too well: I think it collapsed too easily. Were I to do it again, I would try to find some shims and perhaps a solid spacer. I would definitely work my way up towards 140 lb-ft of torque. BTW, I made a tool consisting of a length of bar and a weight (one pound) that slides along the bar to determine the 11-13 lb-in. preload. The whole thing is attached to the differential flange using the remains of a worn out u-joint. Works pretty neat and gravity is at least as accurate as an expensive torque wrench! Hal From frog.aye at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 09:54:40 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:54:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Those F'ing CDs that [don't seem to]Rock [anymore] In-Reply-To: <402188520903190949t53884dc0kd5e1042901a32d71@mail.gmail.com> References: <4333f8140903190849x7390d259x2f10b18a9d634616@mail.gmail.com> <49C27437.60107@verizon.net> <402188520903190949t53884dc0kd5e1042901a32d71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8140903190954u415a494x44e924e908487570@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, problem solved. I had previously tried to copy to hard drive and open from there but that wouldn't work. What was confusing was that they had worked before but "went bad" on me. Finally reinstalled Acrobat and the things worked. I do wish I could run them from the HD, however, but they just don't want to work that way. Hal From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 10:14:00 2009 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:14:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <200903190715324.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <49C25F2B.8070604@sbcglobal.net> <200903190715324.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <49C27D58.1040600@sbcglobal.net> Thanks Peter, Yes, the Lucas box contains a GM module ('80 Chevette) that's only $20. This looks like an almost "proper" replacement alternative for those wanting to move away from points. Can be had for cheaper than Pertronix at your local club swap meet. Get the 41813A from a 77-79 MBG. Lee Peter Caldwell wrote: > Lee, > Without actually looking in books, etc. I recall that those had > a GM common, reliable module, and were quite dependable. > Peter C > == > > At 10:05 AM 3/19/2009, Lee Fox wrote: >> This conversation of points vs. Pertronix vs. Crane vs. Mallory, etc. >> has been very interesting and educational. >> >> What is the conventional wisdom on the genuine Lucas 45DM4 CEI >> distributor used on the last of the MGs? >> >> This is the one with the remote black box under the coil found on >> 1500s and MGBs. (Not be be confused with the all-in-one 45DE4 that >> proved to be unreliable and was replaced by the 45DM4.) >> >> I have a couple of these and have had no problems at all. >> >> Lee >> _______________________________________________ From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 10:17:16 2009 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Those F'ing CDs that [don't seem to]Rock [anymore] In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903190954u415a494x44e924e908487570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <155767226.1240891237483036596.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Could be VISTA.B Some CD's and DVD's do not run on vista.B Part of the new improved Microsoft software package. ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Faulkner" To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:54:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Those F'ing CDs that [don't seem to]Rock [anymore] Thanks, problem solved. I had previously tried to copy to hard drive and open from there but that wouldn't work. What was confusing was that they had worked before but "went bad" on me. Finally reinstalled Acrobat and the things worked. I do wish I could run them from the HD, however, but they just don't want to work that way. Hal From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:44:42 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:44:42 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Harley Twin Cam Message-ID: <37dc82d40903191044v180a6aeja7c0dd696ddc180d@mail.gmail.com> I heard mention of the Harley Twin Cam. . . I had one and rode it for several miles a year for 7 years. Crank case began to make a slight noise. Had the engine rebult at 12k miles (under extended warranty). At the same time I added the Harley big bore kit, 1550 cc's and 203 cams, plus a few other goodies. However - I read an interesting column by Donnie Peterson who is the tech writer for American Iron magazine. When the Twin Cams were coming out Donnie reports hearing a conversation amongst Harley execs regarding the reason for the company's decision to go to a Twin Cam design. Supposedly, according to this conversation, the motor company was asked by the EPA to run quieter engines. (As though chain driven cams would make a difference since most of us add louder pipes to our bikes anyway). The EPA said nothing about Sportsters which run 4 gear driven cams. I guess since the sale of Sportsters might be much less than the sales for Harley's bigger bikes. But this is the EPA, so go figure. Harley said that they could drive their cam with a chain system which would quiet down the engine. Upon looking at the situation the motor company realized that to run a chain drive cam - the heads would have to be taller and as such the bike would lose it's look. The motor would look more like the tall cylinders on a Polaris Victory bike. So they decided that the only way to do such a set up was to run twin cams. This way the engine continues to have the same basic dimensions as the older EVO unit. So, according to Donnie Peterson, the Twin Cam came by way of the EPA. Since S&S continues to refine the EVO design - and less moving parts might make sense. . seems to me that the use of two cams might be superfluous. Kirk 59 Bugeye And one time an owner of a very nice 1550cc lowered Road King with a LOT of money invested in the thing. After a second back surgery, this last one lasting 5.5 hours, my surgeon advises me not to risk a fall on a two wheel vehicle. He also advises me to only drive cars with automatic transmissions! So I guess he would not be too happy to see me out every day in my Bug Eye. . . From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Thu Mar 19 12:04:36 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:04:36 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903190558x8b804fbk9f9f66edd73ef86e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > So the current flows from positive to negative, right? Always from negative to positive. Only the electrons move. From jimndi at frontiernet.net Thu Mar 19 12:20:25 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:20:25 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] New engine Message-ID: <069E2A3585284518BABD80F69A3D9577@MAINCOMPUTER> I've worked on small block chevys most of my life and with a freshly built engine I was taught to pre oil before starting. This is accomplished by spinning the oil pump through the distributer hole with a tool that engages the oil pump and spinning with an electric drill untill oil pressure is up to snuff and this ensures adequate oil to mains and rod bearings. is there any way of pre oiling a freshly rebuilt 1275, or is there some way of avoiding a dry start?? 1960 Bugeye From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Thu Mar 19 12:23:16 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:23:16 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <1e14501c9a895$c2ee4b40$0168010a@mail2world.com> Message-ID: Is the subject electronic ignition vs. points, or is it electronic ignition vs. Pertronix? Electronic ignition is a good thing...especially when it's controlled by a micro processor. Pertronix doesn't improve anything. It's just a switch that replaces the points, and it's less reliable than points. I don't understand why you guys have such a fear of points. Maintaining points takes maybe five minutes a year, and if there's ever a problem you can fix it with a matchbook and a pocket knife. If you're looking for maximum driveability, a real electronics ignition is a good thing, and so is a computer and electronic fuel injection, if you can manage to retro-fit it. As I said before, I have a Pertronix in the Ranchero. When it fails, I'll go back to points because I don't need one more thing to worry about. I'll keep the Pertronix coil. BZ From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Mar 19 12:30:56 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:30:56 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] New engine In-Reply-To: <069E2A3585284518BABD80F69A3D9577@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <069E2A3585284518BABD80F69A3D9577@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: For assembly lube, I use oil and STP mixed half and half. When starting, take the distributor cap off and crank the engine until the oil pressure comes up. Then attach the cap and start it. ...bill in corvallis ======================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim F. Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:20 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] New engine I've worked on small block chevys most of my life and with a freshly built engine I was taught to pre oil before starting. This is accomplished by spinning the oil pump through the distributer hole with a tool that engages the oil pump and spinning with an electric drill until oil pressure is up to snuff and this ensures adequate oil to mains and rod bearings. is there any way of pre oiling a freshly rebuilt 1275, or is there some way of avoiding a dry start?? 1960 Bugeye _______________________________________________ From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Mar 19 12:57:18 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:57:18 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Downflow/Vertical flow hose order form Message-ID: Hi List, I'm going to e-mail out an order form for everyone who expressed an interest in the vertical flow hoses in Silicone. Things to note: I have to work out the postage costs for crossflow hoses and I want to order all the vertical flow hoses first as this saves SAMCO and myself from getting confused. So if you want crossflow hoses figure on waiting a week or so foran order form. I want all the vertical flow hose orders to go to SAMCO at the same time so please order promptly or maybe face a long wait... Please complete an order form and e-mail to to the address on the form (not this e-mail address) at about the same time ensure that the amount you pay me via paypal that I actually receive is the full amount for the cost of your hoses to get to you. Once I have your order form, your payment and a bunch of others I place the order with SAMCO and I settle the tooling cost with David Doiron who owns the downflow/vertical flow tooling. You can have black or blue and with or without the SAMCO logo. Please don't say it doesn't matter to you because it does to me and so you get to make the decision!! Maybe an enterprising lister wants to bulk order some stainless steel jubilee clips - there are several reasons why I don't do this one being the company I order from only delivers when someone is her to receive the delivery in the day time on a week day which isn't anytime soon. This takes me a lot of time to sort out and if I can make fifty pence by re-cycling a jiffy bag that's my profit. I doubt that David Doiron who owns the tooling has come close to breaking even yet - I pay him some of what you pay for his tooling cost. If anyone wants just a single hose I can do that (just the question mark rear heater hose for example). I think that's it. From fastvee at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 13:10:34 2009 From: fastvee at yahoo.com (fastvee) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] New engine Message-ID: <83896.77076.qm@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also assemble the oil pump with lubriplate or pre-lube, back fill the oil galley where the oil comes out of the block, and make sure the oil filter is filled with oil. That brings up the pressure pretty quick. John Fogelsville, PA --- On Thu, 3/19/09, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote: > From: corvallis at peoplepc.com > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] New engine > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:30 PM > For assembly lube, I use oil and STP > mixed half and half. > When starting, take the distributor cap off and crank the > engine until the > oil pressure comes up. Then attach the cap and start it. > ...bill in > corvallis > ======================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jim F. > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:20 PM > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] New engine > > I've worked on small block chevys most of my life and with > a freshly built > engine I was taught to pre oil before starting. This > is accomplished by > spinning the oil pump through the distributer hole with a > tool that engages > the oil pump and spinning with an electric drill > until oil pressure is up > to > snuff and this ensures adequate oil to mains and rod > bearings. is there any > way of pre oiling a freshly rebuilt 1275, or is there some > way of avoiding a > dry start?? > > 1960 Bugeye > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fastvee at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 13:15:04 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:15:04 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Spitting carbs (was coil...) Message-ID: <49C24558.26645.15078CE@kk7ss.verizon.net> Note to self.... When adjusting the jets and the book says "Back off screw A" or "Adjust nut "B", remember to do it to BOTH carbs, at the SAME time, together... Got it?? DOH!! If only I can remember to do that *every* time... I will now put on my Dunce's cap and go stand in the corner for 5 minutes..... -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From refisk at chartermi.net Thu Mar 19 13:36:15 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:36:15 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2><43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> <06707CA96AD044039C603EDA2FAB648B@Home> Message-ID: <04bd01c9a8d2$5a1824a0$6401a8c0@refisk> Why would you want to heat hot water? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Jim Johnson" ; "Dean Hedin" Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition > .................(snip)................. I just returned a tankless hot > water > heater that fell apart when I took it out of the box................. > > Michael Rowe > Long Island, NY From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:43:09 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:43:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] New engine In-Reply-To: <83896.77076.qm@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83896.77076.qm@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188520903191343s5c606864ub4f64d4941e5dd67@mail.gmail.com> Actually, Jim, with a small-block Chevy, the correct way to do it was to gut a tired old distributor, grind the teeth off the gear at the bottom and chuck the whole thing into your 1/2" drill. That way the shaft of the distributor properly blocked all the right stuff inside and allowed for the oil to REALLY travel throughout the engine. You don't know how often I have wished for that feature on an A-Series... David Lieb From soavero at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 14:07:01 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] New engine Message-ID: <346120.75839.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/19/09, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote: > When starting, take the distributor cap off and crank the > engine until the > oil pressure comes up. Then attach the cap and start it. Take the plugs out to remove compression. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 19 15:20:22 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:20:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: <1427911326.20090319081641@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Damn, Bill... <> You left out BRG !!!! From mikey at b2systems.com Thu Mar 19 14:24:04 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Coil question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237497844.6284.60.camel@WebBrowser> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 16:20 -0600, Ed's Shop wrote: > Damn, Bill... > > < more responses that we did for Old English White, or > Gold vs. Silver Arrow.>> > > You left out BRG !!!! > > Wait there was a discussion on BRG that I missed ? could we restart that one :) mike From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 19 15:40:17 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:40:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Brad, Brad, Brad !!! He CAN'T because (and you should KNOW better), Peter is HONEST !!!! Geesh, what an INSULT !!!!! From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 14:55:39 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:55:39 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] New engine In-Reply-To: <069E2A3585284518BABD80F69A3D9577@MAINCOMPUTER> References: <069E2A3585284518BABD80F69A3D9577@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <49C2BF5B.2070003@comcast.net> Prime the oil pump by removing the banjo bolt at the block/oil pipe, fill that hole, it doesn't take much, put the bolt back, yank the spark plugs and crank it over, OP will come up reasonably quick. From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 15:11:16 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:11:16 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <50FC9E506A04437C8A547F0531616C65@rwa> References: <7E1763936E1A47838EBD4FB2F1071C6F@blackbox2> <43840a7e0903182214r26becddi7f21fc4c4fc702f8@mail.gmail.com> <50FC9E506A04437C8A547F0531616C65@rwa> Message-ID: <49C2C304.4080701@comcast.net> 72 Spridget wrote: > > And if you had called Pertronix, they would have replaced it for you. Mine failed after 11 months. They replaced it no problem, the new unit failed in 3 months, I acquired a new unit in a box of parts with a Sprite I bought, it worked for a couple weeks. I am not against electronic ignitions, I am running one in my blue Sprite, it has been fine except one of the magnets came out of the chopper disc but the unit came with another disc for a different ap, so I popped out that magnet and all is fine now, 6 years later. It is NOT Petronix, it is a UK made unit. I do not leave the key on in any cars because I grew up with points and know what happens when you do. From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 15:15:23 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition In-Reply-To: <49C2C304.4080701@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1371632168.4379021237500923000.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> FWIW, I installed a Crane in my Midget many years ago. It has never missed a lick. Sure there is a gold box on the firewall, but I kind of like that--especially coupled with the reliability of the unit. --David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> Cc: "S pridgets" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:11:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition 72 Spridget wrote: > > And if you had called Pertronix, they would have replaced it for you. Mine failed after 11 months. They replaced it no problem, the new unit failed in 3 months, I acquired a new unit in a box of parts with a Sprite I bought, it worked for a couple weeks. I am not against electronic ignitions, I am running one in my blue Sprite, it has been fine except one of the magnets came out of the chopper disc but the unit came with another disc for a different ap, so I popped out that magnet and all is fine now, 6 years later. It is NOT Petronix, it is a UK made unit. I do not leave the key on in any cars because I grew up with points and know what happens when you do. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 15:17:54 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903190814x1d945f4lf679b0cc0f05ab7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <392579.63964.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <41D149D88EB0402097B9ACEFC3E48E79@1705n3> <5f00d9910903190814x1d945f4lf679b0cc0f05ab7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C2C492.5000708@comcast.net> derf wrote: > I don't think you need to do the conversion. > Anyone else agree? > > I have been running unleaded for at least 20 years now, I never did any "no lead head" work to any of my Sprites. And I never had any problems with valve seats. From pilotrob at msn.com Thu Mar 19 15:46:38 2009 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:46:38 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application Message-ID: Great article Emma. :) Many thanx! CapBob From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 17:50:14 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:50:14 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: <1e14501c9a895$c2ee4b40$0168010a@mail2world.com> Message-ID: <767DEFB5E27D4370973C1844A2EE9C34@blackbox2> GM had introduced electronic ignition in the early 60's, way before the serious emission laws. There were aftermarket items early on as well, like the Judson unit. The early systems were still with the points but the points now carried low current as Peter C described, so they did'nt arc and become pitted. It would take some deeper research to determine when the points actually disappeared and were replaced by magnetic or optical sensors, but this was probably in the early 70's, and it was probably done by Bosch. There is an emmision component, dirty points misfire, thereby increasing hydrocarbon emmisions. On the flip side it means you also get better mpg when you get rid of the miss-firing points, which was the big selling point early on. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris King Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition I have to believe there is am emissions control component to the adoption of electronic ignition. GM HEI showed up in cars as cheap as the Vega and the Chevette in 1975 or so. The BL cars sold in the US got electronic ignition (remember those OPUS units, you 1500 guys) in 1975 as well, while the UK kept points up to the end of production. Why would BL (or GM, for that matter) put a more expensive component into the car unless they absolutely HAD to? From davriker at nwi.net Thu Mar 19 18:15:15 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:15:15 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: <49C25F2B.8070604@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9482DC19499E4E848A650DA40A94F444@MAIN> I've been running one in my 1275 for about 20 years. Like I said in my two part post, the Lucas distributors are all interchangeable. The one I'm running was NOS for an MGB. The actual transistor block inside that big black box is a very universal part. It is the same electronic module for the Chevy Citation, and Fiat, among many others. If it ever fails, you open the box, remove the module, take it to autozone/pepboys/kragens etc, and tell the guy behind the counter you are working on the Chevy. For about $11 you get a new module. Be sure to use the special grease when replacing it so that it transfers heat to the big aluminum box. Overheating is the #1 cause of failures. Dave Riker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Fox" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition > This conversation of points vs. Pertronix vs. Crane vs. Mallory, etc. > has been very interesting and educational. > > What is the conventional wisdom on the genuine Lucas 45DM4 CEI > distributor used on the last of the MGs? > > This is the one with the remote black box under the coil found on 1500s > and MGBs. (Not be be confused with the all-in-one 45DE4 that proved to > be unreliable and was replaced by the 45DM4.) > > I have a couple of these and have had no problems at all. > > Lee From dlh2001 at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 18:52:19 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:52:19 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: Message-ID: <1DEAD55F075A4A09923860186822EA75@blackbox2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition > Is the subject electronic ignition vs. points, or is it electronic ignition > vs. Pertronix? I think the subject is why do Pertronix Ignitors fail. Why do they fail when each and everyone one of us gets happily into our other modern vehicles (with electronic ignition) without any concern about the ignition failing? Why do they fail when they cost $90-$100?. I've have gone through several modern vehicles thoughout my life and I never had to replace the ignition module on any of them. My brother once had to replace the coil pack on his Escape. But that was a coil failure and it was probably his fault for pressure washing the engine without letting it cool down first. I have a Pertronix ignitor. It is presently working. Well, I should say as soon as I hook it back up after pulling the engine to install the datsun tranny this past winter... I bought it because one day several years ago I went to the local store and I came back out and the Bugeye wouldn't start back up. I recall I was in a hurry and it really pissed me off to have to waste time trouble shooting. It was quite a suprize for me to discover that it was the points, because the car was running just fine when I pulled in. That's just the way the pitting and dirt laid up I guess. I cleaned them with a match book and went my merry way. I hate episodes like that. So I went out and bought a Pertronix. Up to now I have been really happy with it. It really does make the engine easier to start and the engine hums like a sewing machine on the highway. But I'll be really upset if mine ever fails. If it does you can be sure that I will perform a post mortum on that chunk of epoxy and your going to hear about why it failed. Here is why I think they might fail: 1) It is sensitive to static electricity. 2) It doesn't have good reverse polarity protection diodes. 3) Another list member mentioned the possibility of a poor ground connection. 4) It is suceptible to the voltage spikes that occurs when jump starting the vehicle. 5) It will fail if the ignition key is left on accidentially without the engine running. 6) It can't take the heat inside a spridget distributor. From 72spridget at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 19:12:51 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:12:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electronic Ignition References: <1DEAD55F075A4A09923860186822EA75@blackbox2> Message-ID: I have never had a Pertronix fail on me in probably close to 60,000 miles of use. OTOH, I used to have a 1987 Plymouth Duster 2.2. The electronic gizmo in the distributor (Hall effect?) failed on me three times in the eight years I drove that car. The first time was lots of fun; I had less than 10,000 miles on the car from new and I would be driving merrily down the road and the plugs would stop firing. Drift to the side of the road, pop the hood, scratch my head, close the hood, jump in the car and drive off. A day or so later the cycle would repeat. By the time you could try to figure out what was wrong, it would start working again. The only indication I had was that the tach would drop like a rock, so I was fairly sure it was on the primary side of the ignition. One day it did it to me just as the shoulder was about to end on the left side of the Dan Ryan coming north into the Chicago Loop. By then I knew that all I had to do was pull over, wait a minute or so, and drive away, so I did. I moved over to the right lane and it did it again JUST as the shoulder re-appeared on the right side of the road. Fine all the way home from there. A few days later, it finally died for good. I had parked it in the driveway one night and the next morning it would not start. Rather kind and considerate of it, I must admit. Another time the wires broke right at the edge of the module. DInda irritating to replace a $50 module because of a broken wire. I can't complain too much, however, since the only time that car failed to get me home under its own power was when the timing belt broke with 201,000 miles on it. David Lieb From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 19 21:23:05 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:23:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Re: Midget 1098cc Cyl Head conversion kit for Unleaded Petrol Application In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> And IMVHO, NOPE for SURE !!! From davriker at nwi.net Thu Mar 19 21:26:47 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:26:47 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> Message-ID: So while we've been debating the merits of electronic ignitions, I've been healing from my bumps and bruises. For all of the GM bashing that sometimes goes on (thanks billy Z) I wanted to share pictures of the 2009 Chevy Equinox that basically saved my life Sunday. My wife, daughter, and I were minding our own business on a residential street going about 30 mph, when a car blew through a stop sign and hit us at 40+ mph. The force of the impact spun us 300 degrees. All of the airbags, front, side and side curtain went off. The main impact was 90 degree frontal right on my side (driver). The crumple zones did what they were designed to do, and dispite the severity of the crash, there was NO broken glass, and all of the doors opened. The passenger compartment safety cage was twisted, but not crushed. http://tinyurl.com/d2j3ky I am convinced that if I was in the MG, I'd be dead today. Needless to say, I'm in the market for a roll bar for the Midget. It needs to be a real one, and I'd like the type that the rear braces angle over to the main loop, so that they don't interfere with the headrests. The only ones I've seen lately have the supports that go straight up to the loop. I don't think I'm going to drive it again without one. It wouldn't help in the kind of accident I was just in, but it sure should add to the side impact and roll over protection. David Riker From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Thu Mar 19 21:57:25 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:57:25 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> Message-ID: Wow! Thank God you are all alright. What did the other car look like? It must be a full moon tonight or something. Had a guy in a small Toyotoa truck run me off the sode of the freeway exit into a ditch with my Harley Davidson today. I had the choice of letting him hit me with the side of his truck or going in the ditch. Going to need a new front end and a few other parts like the front fender and such. I just got a few scrapes on my left arm, but the full weight of the bike (712 lbs) was on my left foot and I was stuck there. People were just driving by looking like it was a TV show or something. (jerks!). Finally a couple of young guys stopped and help lift the bike off me. Had it towed to the Harley Dealer for insurance repair. My pride is more hurt than anything physical. I'm glad your family was O.K. though. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:26 PM, David Riker wrote: > So while we've been debating the merits of electronic ignitions, I've been > healing from my bumps and bruises. For all of the GM bashing that sometimes > goes on (thanks billy Z) I wanted to share pictures of the 2009 Chevy > Equinox that basically saved my life Sunday. My wife, daughter, and I were > minding our own business on a residential street going about 30 mph, when a > car blew through a stop sign and hit us at 40+ mph. The force of the impact > spun us 300 degrees. All of the airbags, front, side and side curtain went > off. The main impact was 90 degree frontal right on my side (driver). The > crumple zones did what they were designed to do, and dispite the severity of > the crash, there was NO broken glass, and all of the doors opened. The > passenger compartment safety cage was twisted, but not crushed. > > http://tinyurl.com/d2j3ky > > I am convinced that if I was in the MG, I'd be dead today. Needless to > say, I'm in the market for a roll bar for the Midget. It needs to be a real > one, and I'd like the type that the rear braces angle over to the main loop, > so that they don't interfere with the headrests. The only ones I've seen > lately have the supports that go straight up to the loop. I don't think I'm > going to drive it again without one. It wouldn't help in the kind of > accident I was just in, but it sure should add to the side impact and roll > over protection. > > David Riker From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Thu Mar 19 22:14:48 2009 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:14:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> Message-ID: <001601c9a91a$cae244c0$60a6ce40$@net> Wow!!! Glad you are all right and the safety aspects of the new cars are indeed miracles of engineering. I have been saved twice by Ford's engineers. Leo -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Riker Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:27 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash So while we've been debating the merits of electronic ignitions, I've been healing from my bumps and bruises. For all of the GM bashing that sometimes goes on (thanks billy Z) I wanted to share pictures of the 2009 Chevy Equinox that basically saved my life Sunday. My wife, daughter, and I were minding our own business on a residential street going about 30 mph, when a car blew through a stop sign and hit us at 40+ mph. The force of the impact spun us 300 degrees. All of the airbags, front, side and side curtain went off. The main impact was 90 degree frontal right on my side (driver). The crumple zones did what they were designed to do, and dispite the severity of the crash, there was NO broken glass, and all of the doors opened. The passenger compartment safety cage was twisted, but not crushed. http://tinyurl.com/d2j3ky I am convinced that if I was in the MG, I'd be dead today. Needless to say, I'm in the market for a roll bar for the Midget. It needs to be a real one, and I'd like the type that the rear braces angle over to the main loop, so that they don't interfere with the headrests. The only ones I've seen lately have the supports that go straight up to the loop. I don't think I'm going to drive it again without one. It wouldn't help in the kind of accident I was just in, but it sure should add to the side impact and roll over protection. David Riker You are subscribed as 60bugeye at cebridge.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2011 - Release Date: 3/19/2009 7:05 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2011 - Release Date: 3/19/2009 7:05 AM From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Thu Mar 19 23:03:22 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:03:22 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <001601c9a91a$cae244c0$60a6ce40$@net> References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> <001601c9a91a$cae244c0$60a6ce40$@net> Message-ID: TWICE!?! There seems to be some common denominator here! ;^) Mike MacLean On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Leo <60bugeye at cebridge.net> wrote: > Wow!!! Glad you are all right and the safety aspects of the new cars are > indeed miracles of engineering. I have been saved twice by Ford's > engineers. > > Leo From dwramsey at att.net Fri Mar 20 01:46:26 2009 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:46:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> You made a good choice, but if you're going to ride motorcycles you must remember that ANY crash you're in is your fault. If you can't avoid even a kid on a big wheel, for any reason, stay off the bike and live. Once you think you are a big boy and can play with the traffic because you have the right away, you are correct you have the dead right away. Crash I had the choice of letting him hit me with the side of his truck or going in the ditch Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Fri Mar 20 02:10:00 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:10:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> References: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Crash, I have been riding Harleys since 1971. This is not the first time I have had to put it down. The only difference these days is it takes longer to heal. I don't take chances anymore and tend to ride quite conservatively. In the old days I might not have had the presence of mind to make the decision I did today. With age comes wisdom. Mike On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:46 AM, David Ramsey wrote: > You made a good choice, but if you're going to ride motorcycles you must > remember that ANY crash you're in is your fault. If you can't avoid even a > kid on a big wheel, for any reason, stay off the bike and live. Once you > think you are a big boy and can play with the traffic because you have the > right away, you are correct you have the dead right away. > Crash > > I had the choice of letting him hit me with the side of his > truck or going in the ditch > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grday at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 02:30:09 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:30:09 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash References: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I won't go as far as Dave by saying every crash is the bike riders fault but I will say that everybody on 4+ wheels is out to get you (unless they have been bike riders - but even so ....). ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ramsey" To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Another Crash > You made a good choice, but if you're going to ride motorcycles you must > remember that ANY crash you're in is your fault. If you can't avoid even > a > kid on a big wheel, for any reason, stay off the bike and live. Once you > think you are a big boy and can play with the traffic because you have the > right away, you are correct you have the dead right away. > Crash > > I had the choice of letting him hit me with the side of his > truck or going in the ditch > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 03:05:46 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash Message-ID: <890686.49351.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, GUY DAY wrote: "I won't go as far as Dave by saying every crash is the bike riders fault but I will say that everybody on 4+ wheels is out to get you (unless they have been bike riders - but even so ....)." Accepting the fact that any crash is ultimately your fault because you made a series of decisions that ended up placing you at the intersection of that place and time follows an attitude common to many great racers (as in Donahue's "The Unfair Advantage"). This is great for your mental attitude and will keep you sane after incidents where the culprit simply drives away unaware. On the other hand, deeply believing that everybody else on the road is not only incapable of proper road courtesy, but actually an idiot out to cause you bodily harm will go a long way toward keeping you alive on a bike or in a small car. Been there done that, so far lived to tell the tale. - David Booker '71 Midget '94 Sportster Long Island From abcoz at hky.com Fri Mar 20 03:55:43 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> Message-ID: Glad to hear you are OK. But, I gotta tell you: adding a roll bar to a "street" Spridget offers more psychological benefit than actual physical benefit. Unless it's heavily padded, it's more likely to bash your brains out than save you. If it's padded heavily enough to protect you from skull fracture or concussion, it becomes a visibility restrictor. Bottom line is that, if you are really concerned about being protected by your car in a collision, you really shouldn't be driving a Spridget......or any classic sports car, for that matter. Every time I see a "street" LBC, with an un-padded roll bar installed, I think "organ donor maker". I rationalize my driving of classic sports cars with the realization that life is a gift from God, and, when He's ready to call me home, it doesn't matter where I'm sitting.....I'm OUTTA here. Might as well enjoy the ride while we can! Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Riker" To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:26 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash > I am convinced that if I was in the MG, I'd be dead today. Needless to > say, I'm in the market for a roll bar for the Midget. It needs to be a > real one, and I'd like the type that the rear braces angle over to the > main loop, so that they don't interfere with the headrests. The only ones > I've seen lately have the supports that go straight up to the loop. I > don't think I'm going to drive it again without one. It wouldn't help in > the kind of accident I was just in, but it sure should add to the side > impact and roll over protection. > > David Riker From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 20 06:16:22 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:16:22 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: There may be hope for me yet!!! ;) ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:10:00 -0700 > > With age comes wisdom. From wbmcleod at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 06:23:08 2009 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (Bill McLeod) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:23:08 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49C398BC.1070200@gmail.com> From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 06:38:55 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: <49C04D8C.9070909@comcast.net> References: <49C04D8C.9070909@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903200638i64a1e8aei83589a3dd112269a@mail.gmail.com> If the new Mo$$ cables are that bad what source are you guys using to replace them properly? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Frank wrote: > Brad Fornal wrote: > >> . >> I just didn't know about the long term effects of letting the E brake be >> under tension. >> >> >> > If it's a new mo$$ E-brake cable, do NOT let it sit for more than 2 > minutes, it will stretch. > Holy Sprite cable lasted almost a whole week. We left it on all night once, > that killed it. > Stretched a full inch. > I now have learned that the chinese do not temper steel cables, or a dung > forge tempering pit just doesn't cut it in the real world. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tr3.4.me at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From davriker at nwi.net Fri Mar 20 06:46:39 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:46:39 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> Message-ID: <5F024E3433774623B12CA5557879FF05@MAIN> After putting us into a spin, the other car was deflected, tore the stop sign out of the ground, went over the sidewalk, through the fence, and came to rest up against the van that was parked there. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [Spridgets] Another Crash what happened to the fence? Did you visit it too? Or did he go there? ---------------------------------------- > From: davriker at nwi.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:26:47 -0700 > Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash > > So while we've been debating the merits of electronic ignitions, I've been > healing from my bumps and bruises. For all of the GM bashing that > sometimes > goes on (thanks billy Z) I wanted to share pictures of the 2009 Chevy > Equinox that basically saved my life Sunday. My wife, daughter, and I were > minding our own business on a residential street going about 30 mph, when > a > car blew through a stop sign and hit us at 40+ mph. The force of the > impact > spun us 300 degrees. All of the airbags, front, side and side curtain went > off. The main impact was 90 degree frontal right on my side (driver). The > crumple zones did what they were designed to do, and dispite the severity > of > the crash, there was NO broken glass, and all of the doors opened. The > passenger compartment safety cage was twisted, but not crushed. > > http://tinyurl.com/d2j3ky No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2013 - Release Date: 03/19/09 19:03:00 From corvallis at peoplepc.com Fri Mar 20 06:50:47 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:50:47 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0903200638i64a1e8aei83589a3dd112269a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C04D8C.9070909@comcast.net> <8de85a9c0903200638i64a1e8aei83589a3dd112269a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I needed parking brake cables for a 1952 Chevrolet 3/4-ton pickup. I sent the old ones to these people and got a good set of replacement cables; they make them. Call 1-800-634-2145 and ask for Earl. (this is Speedometer Service and Instrument in Portland, Oregon; 530 NW 11th Ave. 97209) My pair of cables were $65 each and $17 UPS COD to return. ===================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Foster Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:39 AM To: Frank Cc: Spridgets; midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] E brake settings If the new Mo$$ cables are that bad what source are you guys using to replace them properly? From Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com Fri Mar 20 07:15:01 2009 From: Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com (EXT-Love, Charles M) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:15:01 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question Message-ID: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> I have a dumb question about the Datsun 5 speeds we are using in our Midgets. Those of you who have made the conversion, do you fill the tranny with oil BEFORE you put it back into the car? If not, how do you fill it after it is in the car? Seems like the tunnel is blocking the drain and fill ports. I am getting closer to installing mine and I am trying to think of all the things I could do wrong. Need some help figuring this one out. Is it possible to put it into the car if it's full of oil without dumping it all over the garage floor? Thanks for any input. Charles M. "Monty" Love Dynetics, Inc. 256-461-2780 256-337-5581 (Cell) 256-882-1543 (Home) ET Test The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. From thcollin at mtu.edu Fri Mar 20 07:30:49 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <5F024E3433774623B12CA5557879FF05@MAIN> References: <5835A84D7F464FF0B121BBF4C873E4AB@MAIN> <5F024E3433774623B12CA5557879FF05@MAIN> Message-ID: <7ll0se$623epu@email.mtu.edu> At 09:46 AM 3/20/2009, David Riker wrote: > tore the stop sign out of the ground, Stop sign available for Spridget floor or glove box material. Contact David Riker for details. (Glad you're OK!) Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From tinydog at snet.net Fri Mar 20 07:48:55 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <5F024E3433774623B12CA5557879FF05@MAIN> Message-ID: <174108.95527.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog commented: You gotta respect any manufacturer that builds a product that meets federally mandated safety standards. --- On Fri, 3/20/09, David Riker wrote: > From: davriker at nwi.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:26:47 -0700 > Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash > For all of the GM bashing that sometimes goes on From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 07:53:09 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:53:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <174108.95527.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <5F024E3433774623B12CA5557879FF05@MAIN> <174108.95527.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188520903200753r1bf43accnf769139e2bdd0564@mail.gmail.com> > You gotta respect any manufacturer that builds a product that meets federally mandated safety standards. Maybe your master told you to so you gotta, but I have other criteria involved before I dole out my respect. David Lieb From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 07:54:28 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:54:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash References: <174108.95527.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Another Crash tinydog commented: You gotta respect any manufacturer that builds a product that meets federally mandated safety standards. ================== Tinydog, don't they all meet federally mandated safety standards? If they didn't, they couldn't be sold, could they? From rbastedo at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 07:58:14 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:58:14 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash Message-ID: First, I am really glad for you and your family that you all came out without major injury. Like landing an airplane, anytime you can all walk away it's a "good landing". I've been in over 40 accidents in my 50 years, strangely enough most of them initiated by the other drivers. For a while I felt that there were just too many of them who seemed out to get me. Then I eventually figured out I just needed to be more defensive. Sometimes no matter what you do you will have to make a decision like putting your bike in a ditch. You might be coasting down a hill on a motorcycle and have a driver pull his car out in front of you and stop. No time to get around him, you lay the bike down and slide the tires under his car. He gets out and starts cursing you in Korean for scratching HIS paint. (yes, that happened to me) I have had very few accidents in the past 20 years, however the last one was in a Ford Aerostar with my family. We got sandwiched in the middle of a three car rear-ender on the freeway. Both myself and the driver behind me received tickets, but in court mine was thrown out. Sometimes you just have to hire an attorney. Last week I was driving on the freeway early in the morning in my Midget and the guy next to me in a silver Ford F150 decides he's coming over into my lane. You go through a few emotions in a very brief period of time: "What's he doing?" "No, he's not coming over here - is he?" "SH*T - he's pulling over right on top of me!" "EVASIVE MANEUVERS!!" "I can't believe he just did that and drove on like nothing happened!!!" "I should chase him down and have a little talk with him" "Right after I find some clean shorts" It brings to mind one of my favorite short stories: Alan Dean Foster's "*Why Johnny can't speed*" When driving my spridgets I drive as though I'm on a bike. I try to be very defensive, I try to be aware of what everyone around me is doing. Anyway, like I said I'm really glad you all made it - the car definitely took the impact. Rick Bastedo _____________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:26:47 -0700 From: "David Riker" Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash So while we've been debating the merits of electronic ignitions, I've been healing from my bumps and bruises. For all of the GM bashing that sometimes goes on (thanks billy Z) I wanted to share pictures of the 2009 Chevy Equinox that basically saved my life Sunday. From jimndi at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 20 08:11:13 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent Message-ID: I've been advised about crankcase venting on my 1970 vintage 1275 (12/DA/H29827) . I believe this year was before the air pump emissions junk cluttered everything up. My plan is to run a vented oil cap (Oil cap has a 1/4 inch hole on the inside and air passes freely so I think this is an oem vented cap?. I will connect the carb "Y" pipe to the Timing cover canister vent on the front of the engine. Is this sufficient crankcase ventilation? My biggest concern is crankcase pressure pushing oil through the rear main seal.This is a freshly rebuilt engine. I've toyed with the idea of drilling out a non vented oil fill cap and installing a rubber grommet and pcv valve for increased venting. Are my concerns unfounded? Thanks. 1960 Bugeye From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 08:20:55 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:20:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402188520903200820j1b7b322aye6dbcff3b80bdc72@mail.gmail.com> Jim, That won't work. You have to work out a SYSTEM, not just throw pieces at it. IF you want to vent to atmosphere, you should plan on running at least two 3/8" hoses from a vent like the timing chain cover, the pipe on the valve cover, or an added vent to the blank cover where the mechanical fuel pump could have mounted, UP OVER the top of the engine, then down into the slipstream. At that point, you would PLUG the Y-pipe. IF you want to use the Y-pipe, then you have to restrict the venting of the crankcase or you will effectively have a significant vacuum leak. Look at the SYSTEM used with the Y-pipe. It used the Y-pipe to apply vacuum to a crankcase that was ONLY vented via the METERED orifice from the valve cover to the charcoal cannister. This restricted the amount of air/fumes that would go through the Y-pipe, thus creating a small vacuum in the crankcase. This is a good thing. Your proposal would dispose of the metered orifice in favor of a quarter-inch hole. Any chance of achieving any kind of a vacuum in the crankcase? Heck no. What would this do to your mixture? Did you read the page from Barney Gaylord? David Lieb On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jim F. wrote: > I've been advised about crankcase venting on my 1970 vintage 1275 > (12/DA/H29827) . I believe this year was before the air pump emissions junk > cluttered everything up. My plan is to run a vented oil cap (Oil cap has a 1/4 > inch hole on the inside and air passes freely so I think this is an oem vented > cap?. I will connect the carb "Y" pipe to the Timing cover canister vent on > the front of the engine. Is this sufficient crankcase ventilation? My biggest > concern is crankcase pressure pushing oil through the rear main seal.This is a > freshly rebuilt engine. I've toyed with the idea of drilling out a non vented > oil fill cap and installing a rubber grommet and pcv valve for increased > venting. Are my concerns unfounded? Thanks. > > > 1960 Bugeye > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 72spridget at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Fri Mar 20 08:35:41 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:35:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent References: Message-ID: <951F48C66B08416E803286F3635E7F81@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> If you don't want oil out the rear seal, think "suction" rather than just venting. Collecting the restricted vents to a PCV to the intake manifold will dry it up best. Glen > I've been advised about crankcase venting on my 1970 vintage 1275 > (12/DA/H29827) . I believe this year was before the air pump emissions > junk > cluttered everything up. My plan is to run a vented oil cap (Oil cap has a > 1/4 > inch hole on the inside and air passes freely so I think this is an oem > vented > cap?. I will connect the carb "Y" pipe to the Timing cover canister vent > on > the front of the engine. Is this sufficient crankcase ventilation? My > biggest > concern is crankcase pressure pushing oil through the rear main seal.This > is a > freshly rebuilt engine. I've toyed with the idea of drilling out a non > vented > oil fill cap and installing a rubber grommet and pcv valve for increased > venting. Are my concerns unfounded? Thanks. > > > 1960 Bugeye From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 08:36:13 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:36:13 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0903200836j5d62eb83g9f604d5e2541140c@mail.gmail.com> Boy! After reading all these emails I really feel lucky!! Mike & David, glad you are alright... I think I have been in 2 accidents in my life. Both as a passenger in someone else's car. I recently added up my motorcycle mileage since 1960. It is a little over 500K miles aside from racing miles, on all of the bikes I have owned. I have *never* had an accident aside from a few lay-downs on the race track and once into the bales but I don't count them as they were on purpose and in a controlled environment. Back in the early 1970s I was invited to be part of a group of motorcyclists who got together and compared notes. All of us had been riding for at least 10 years and had many thousands of collective miles under our belts without any accidents. The realization was that we as a group had somehow developed an innate set of skills that allowed us that kind of safety record. When we found things we were doing in common, we put them together and developed a list of things that we felt had kept us safe. The outcome of this was the original Motorcycle Safety Foundation riders course. It has changed a bit over the years, but I highly recommend the course even for experienced riders. It WILL keep you out of trouble in most circumstances when you practice its tenets. One huge basic rule for riders has always been "ALWAYS have some place to go to escape danger". I rider that way all the time and it apparently has preserved me well. In short, I expect to go by being shot by a jealous husband rather than in a motorcycle accident! ;-) -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From mikey at b2systems.com Thu Mar 19 17:55:00 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:55:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 07:58 -0700, Rick Bastedo wrote: > I've been in over 40 accidents in my 50 years, strangely enough most of them > initiated by the other drivers. OVER 40 ? in 50 years ? Jeez that is close enough to call it a accident a year. I have been in 3 accidents in 35 years of driving, 2 the first year I got my license and one 2 years ago, first 2 were my fault, going too fast around a corner and second was "Geez, look at those yahoos on her, shit!!!" the guy in front saw the red light and I was too busy looking at somethings on the sidewalk. ( I clearly remember that second accident because my GF at the time has not let me forget it in 32 years of marriage ). So the first 2 were clearly my fault. 3rd one was soccer mom running a stop sign and broadsiding me on my Vitory, totaled the bike but I kind of walked away (limped away). Good part is she apologized to me AND the officer for paying attention to the kid in the back seat and not seeing the stop sign, made insurance easy. I also had a few "get offs" on motorcycles during the first few years of having my license but they were my fault, driving too fast for my skills, since no other cars were involved and no damage except to my pride or side cases of the bike, I don't count them as accidents but if you want to, that would bring the total up to 5 in 35 years and I think that is a lot. Over 40 wow !!! mike From rbastedo at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 09:12:07 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:12:07 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> References: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: Like I said, I haven't had many accidents in the past 20 years. And I did start driving when I was 10 - working on a Dairy Farm in Tillamook County Oregon. My first rollover in a pickup truck (yes, I was the driver) was at age 11. So, probably 40 accidents between the age of 10 and 30. One or two since. Maybe I learned something at age 30, or maybe it's just that was when the first of my 6 kids was born. Or maybe it's the thing about it taking longer to heal. Most likely a combination of the above. Rick Bastedo On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:55 PM, mike rambour wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 07:58 -0700, Rick Bastedo wrote: > > I've been in over 40 accidents in my 50 years, strangely enough most of > them > > initiated by the other drivers. > > OVER 40 ? in 50 years ? Jeez that is close enough to call it a > accident a year. > > I have been in 3 accidents in 35 years of driving, 2 the first year I > got my license and one 2 years ago, first 2 were my fault, going too > fast around a corner and second was "Geez, look at those yahoos on her, > shit!!!" the guy in front saw the red light and I was too busy looking > at somethings on the sidewalk. ( I clearly remember that second > accident because my GF at the time has not let me forget it in 32 years > of marriage ). So the first 2 were clearly my fault. > > 3rd one was soccer mom running a stop sign and broadsiding me on my > Vitory, totaled the bike but I kind of walked away (limped away). Good > part is she apologized to me AND the officer for paying attention to the > kid in the back seat and not seeing the stop sign, made insurance easy. > > I also had a few "get offs" on motorcycles during the first few years > of having my license but they were my fault, driving too fast for my > skills, since no other cars were involved and no damage except to my > pride or side cases of the bike, I don't count them as accidents but if > you want to, that would bring the total up to 5 in 35 years and I think > that is a lot. Over 40 wow !!! > > mike From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 20 09:17:15 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:17:15 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903200836j5d62eb83g9f604d5e2541140c@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e0903200836j5d62eb83g9f604d5e2541140c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You 'expect'? Or are you just wishing? :) > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:36:13 -0500 > > In short, I expect to go by being shot by a jealous husband rather than in a > motorcycle accident! ;-) > > -- > Cheers!! From cciaffone at verizon.net Fri Mar 20 09:21:57 2009 From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:21:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> I have been using those containers of fluid that come with a pump and a longish plastic hose attached. The end of the hose has a springy plastic thingy that sticks in the hole in the tranny so I can than pump with 2 hands. Please pardon those deeply technical terms. chuck EXT-Love, Charles M wrote: > I have a dumb question about the Datsun 5 speeds we are using in our > Midgets. > > Those of you who have made the conversion, do you fill the tranny with oil > BEFORE you put it back into the car? If not, how do you fill it after it is > in the car? Seems like the tunnel is blocking the drain and fill ports. From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 09:35:28 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:35:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> Message-ID: <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> > I have been using those containers of fluid that come with > a pump and a longish plastic hose attached. The end of the > hose has a springy plastic thingy that sticks in the hole in > the tranny so I can than pump with 2 hands. Likewise. I picked up one of those pumps that screw into a bottle of oil (and are intended for filling the transoms on outboard motors) from my local Murrays Auto Parts and pumped it in. Drain plug is readily accessible, too. I used Redline MTF, I believe. A little tedious, but it works. A good idea to top the trans off in the Spring before driving it, too... BTW, since the driveshaft yoke completes the tailshaft seal, filling it before you install it is a bad idea unless you are one of the ones who likes to feed the entire drivetrain (motor trans and driveshaft) into the mouth of your Spridget in one operation. Remember how far you had to tip the trans to get it out? David Lieb From breton48 at live.com Fri Mar 20 09:37:29 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:37:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> References: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: Spridgeteers, As for me... Four minor accidents in 43 years of driving in Europe and the US, no injuries. I have valid licenses in Great Britain, France, and Colorado. First accident was within 3 weeks of getting my driving license, and my fault - did not see a car at an intersection coming from the right. I was too busy freaking out driving for the first time during rush hour in downtown Nantes! The next one was also in France, at the scene of an accident before the police or medics got there - I stopped in time (the road was blocked), the guy behind me did not. Then in England, and that was in my 1970 Sprite, I stopped at a red traffic light. The taxi behind me did not stop in time. Told me he was talking to his customer in the back seat, and by the time he turned around, it was too late! The last one was over ten years ago, on a busy So Cal freeway. The traffic came to a stop, and I did too. The two cars behind me did not. Fortunately, I was far enough behind the guy in front of me so that the two cars hitting from the back did not push me onto the vehicle in front. I still have the letter from the insurance stating I was 100% blameless. That's it, if one does not count a couple of spills on motorbikes, one as the driver and one as a rider! JLC Racing accidents don't count, right? I had a few "incidents" in my SCCA Spec 7 (Mazda RX7) on the track, but apart from some spins and "off roading", I never bent my vintage racing Bugeye! From cciaffone at verizon.net Fri Mar 20 09:39:22 2009 From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> Oooh yeah, you don't want to fill it before you ANGLE it in with the tailshaft down. Ask me how I know that. chuck David Lieb wrote: >> I have been using those containers of fluid that come with >> a pump and a longish plastic hose attached. The end of the >> hose has a springy plastic thingy that sticks in the hole in >> the tranny so I can than pump with 2 hands. >> > > Likewise. I picked up one of those pumps that screw into a bottle of > oil (and are intended for filling the transoms on outboard motors) > from my local Murrays Auto Parts and pumped it in. Drain plug is > readily accessible, too. I used Redline MTF, I believe. A little > tedious, but it works. A good idea to top the trans off in the Spring > before driving it, too... > > BTW, since the driveshaft yoke completes the tailshaft seal, filling > it before you install it is a bad idea unless you are one of the ones > who likes to feed the entire drivetrain (motor trans and driveshaft) > into the mouth of your Spridget in one operation. Remember how far you > had to tip the trans to get it out? > David Lieb From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 09:54:00 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <402188520903200953k632f6e15ra3e3d1ee13912122@mail.gmail.com> I hope we aren't going to count any of the collisions in the PC version of Classic British Motor Racing? Those computerized drivers are INSANE!!!! I assure you it was NOT my fault... even though I was the only one on-screen at the time ;-) I am still annoyed that the Spitfire handles so much better than any of the other cars... David Lieb From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 10:09:05 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash Message-ID: <792360.82727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Jim Johnson wrote: "The outcome of this was the original Motorcycle Safety Foundation riders course. It has changed a bit over the years, but I highly recommend the course even for experienced riders. " I took the MSF course a few years ago. There were things I already knew and practiced, but there were many more that made perfect sense once you heard them that I had not really thought about. Great course - and a fun way to spend a weekend. - David From breton48 at live.com Fri Mar 20 10:10:12 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:10:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <402188520903200953k632f6e15ra3e3d1ee13912122@mail.gmail.com> References: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> <402188520903200953k632f6e15ra3e3d1ee13912122@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: David wrote: I hope we aren't going to count any of the collisions in the PC version of Classic British Motor Racing? Those computerized drivers are INSANE!!!! I assure you it was NOT my fault... even though I was the only one on-screen at the time ;-) I am still annoyed that the Spitfire handles so much better than any of the other cars.. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I am well aware of the (deserved) reputation of the early Spitfire and its rear swing axle as an ill handling car! Later versions were better - I had a 1979 Spitfire (with the de-cambered and redesigned rear suspension), and I had no complaints. The overdrive made for more relaxed cruising than the Midget I had before it, and I actually quite liked both cars. Earlier Spitfire versions can be made to handle for the track (autocross and such), but I suspect that is by stiffening the rear suspension so much it hardly moves! JLC From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 10:11:48 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:11:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <792360.82727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <792360.82727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188520903201011r1bd5866crbc3ffd5963a55abe@mail.gmail.com> > I took the MSF course a few years ago. There were things I already knew and > practiced, but there were many more that made perfect sense once you heard > them that I had not really thought about. Great course - and a fun way to > spend a weekend. True maturity is the ability to learn from someone else's experiences without having to make all of the mistakes yourself... From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 10:20:31 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <1237510500.6284.75.camel@WebBrowser> <402188520903200953k632f6e15ra3e3d1ee13912122@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903201020t3ab7dae2pcdd52f47bf311b30@mail.gmail.com> > I am well aware of the (deserved) reputation of the early Spitfire and its > rear swing axle as an ill handling car! Later versions were better - I had a > 1979 Spitfire (with the de-cambered and redesigned rear suspension), and I > had no complaints. The overdrive made for more relaxed cruising than the > Midget I had before it, and I actually quite liked both cars. Earlier > Spitfire versions can be made to handle for the track (autocross and such), > but I suspect that is by stiffening the rear suspension so much it hardly > moves! I have never driven a real Spitfire of any vintage. On the PC version of the game Classic British Motor Racing, however, I am quite impressed with its handling. I am also impressed with how good of a job the software guys did of differentiating between the various cars. The Mini is unquestionably FWD. The Midget is OK. The Spitfire really handles too darn well for my dislike of the Triumph marque to appreciate ;-). Of course, the fact that the game includes TR2, TR3, TR5, TR6 and Spitfire makes me suspect that the programmer tended to prefer TRs. At least he did include a Midget as well as an MGA, MGB, and MG RV8. Yes, there is a Big Healey, too. David Lieb From bighealey at charter.net Fri Mar 20 10:45:03 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] How to Bead/Inflate A Tire Message-ID: <37EE67B129BD4ADD9CD4EF99EF0716F9@TRACY> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8421272815677420413 Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Fri Mar 20 11:10:34 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:10:34 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> Message-ID: You DO want to install it with the drive shaft installed. You will have a hell of a time trying to fit the drive shaft after the trans is in, not only because the yoke is flopping around, but you will not have room at the top of the tunnel to lift it high enough to slide it in the end of the transmission. You will either have to pull the engine back out again or cut a section of the top of the tunnel out to get it to clear enough to slide it in, then weld the patch back in. Some guys have even had the yoke contact the tunnel when it turns AFTER it was installed. It was very close on my Bugeye. I ended up going the cutout reweld route. I re-welded a patch with a slight bulge in it for clearance. You can't see it with the carpet in place. Another alternative is to machine a spacer for the other end of the driveshaft so it will make the drive shaft go further into the end of the transmission which will give you more clearance. A 1/4 to 1/2 inch is all that you will need. The further forward the yoke is, the more clearance you have with the top of the tunnel. Good luck. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM, chuck wrote: > Oooh yeah, you don't want to fill it before you ANGLE it in > with the tailshaft down. Ask me how I know that. > > chuck > > David Lieb wrote: > >> I have been using those containers of fluid that come with > >> a pump and a longish plastic hose attached. The end of the > >> hose has a springy plastic thingy that sticks in the hole in > >> the tranny so I can than pump with 2 hands. > >> > > > > Likewise. I picked up one of those pumps that screw into a bottle of > > oil (and are intended for filling the transoms on outboard motors) > > from my local Murrays Auto Parts and pumped it in. Drain plug is > > readily accessible, too. I used Redline MTF, I believe. A little > > tedious, but it works. A good idea to top the trans off in the Spring > > before driving it, too... > > > > BTW, since the driveshaft yoke completes the tailshaft seal, filling > > it before you install it is a bad idea unless you are one of the ones > > who likes to feed the entire drivetrain (motor trans and driveshaft) > > into the mouth of your Spridget in one operation. Remember how far you > > had to tip the trans to get it out? > > David Lieb From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 20 12:11:43 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:11:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0903200638i64a1e8aei83589a3dd112269a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Glad you brought it up, Jeff!!! <> I have a friend/higher up at Moss and when I see something like Frank penned I forward to him for comment/reply. He did reply with 'source' which IS in UK !!!! NONE Asian item. All I can think of as in Frank's case is that the Pertronix/PPP Condenser 'hex' applied!!! I would not hesitate to install one on (if I had one) a Bugeye (sure wish I STILL had one). I would also suspect that the 'source' supplies for other LBCs and I wouldn't hesitate installing on my 2 LBCs!! Ed From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 20 11:12:36 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:12:36 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <402188520903201011r1bd5866crbc3ffd5963a55abe@mail.gmail.com> References: <792360.82727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188520903201011r1bd5866crbc3ffd5963a55abe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Isn't it: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:11:48 -0500 > From: 72spridget at gmail.com > > > I took the MSF course a few years ago. There were things I already knew > and > > practiced, but there were many more that made perfect sense once you heard > > them that I had not really thought about. Great course - and a fun way to > > spend a weekend. > > True maturity is the ability to learn from someone else's experiences > without having to make all of the mistakes yourself... From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 20 12:16:18 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:16:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings References: <49C04D8C.9070909@comcast.net><8de85a9c0903200638i64a1e8aei83589a3dd112269a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006101c9a990$59fff060$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi ALL! I use this place on a very regular basis. Earl is a great guy as are ALL the employes! (Andrew, too!) They are now located at: Speedometer Service & Instrument Company 3551 NW Front Ave Portland OR 97210 503-227-5567 1-800-634-2145 www.speedometerservice.net An exceptional place to do business with. They are knowledgeable and friendly, can do the seemingly impossible! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] E brake settings > I needed parking brake cables for a 1952 Chevrolet 3/4-ton pickup. I sent > the old ones to these people and got a good set of replacement cables; they > make them. Call 1-800-634-2145 and ask for Earl. (this is Speedometer > Service and Instrument in Portland, Oregon; 530 NW 11th Ave. 97209) My pair > of cables were $65 each and $17 UPS COD to return. > ===================================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Foster > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:39 AM > To: Frank > Cc: Spridgets; midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] E brake settings > > If the new Mo$$ cables are that bad what source are you guys using to > replace them properly? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Mar 20 11:18:07 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:18:07 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> Message-ID: <77639395.20090320111807@pacifier.com> Hello rrengineer, When I put in the driveshaft, I just reach down the shifter hole and pick up the yoke and start it on the output shaft. And then there's the masking tape method.... .. no need to cut and weld OR fight the whole assembly as one piece -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Xerox never comes up with anything original. From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 11:30:48 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C3E0D8.9020804@comcast.net> Ed's Shop wrote: > Glad you brought it up, Jeff!!! > > < replace them properly?>> > I buy them on Ebay NOS, THAT one did NOT stretch in a week like the cheap made repro. > He did reply with 'source' which IS in UK !!!! > NONE Asian item. > > > I would not hesitate to install one on (if I had one) > > Good, I'll send you this assembled in the UK out of chinese components cable and YOU can install it. Just like the leaf springs from British Spring in the UK. WTF are all the chinky letters stamped in the steel leafs? Again, ASSEMBLED in the UK out of chinese *STUFF* Rice patties and donkey dung forges just don't get hot enough. From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 20 12:29:42 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:29:42 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <008d01c9a992$38ec4f20$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi Charles, No problem accessing the fill hole when the tranny is in the car. Or at least all I've known!! Be sure to use gear oil instead of motor oil. Later, Paul A Morriservice ----- Original Message ----- From: "EXT-Love, Charles M" To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question > I have a dumb question about the Datsun 5 speeds we are using in our > Midgets. > > Those of you who have made the conversion, do you fill the tranny with oil > BEFORE you put it back into the car? If not, how do you fill it after it is > in the car? Seems like the tunnel is blocking the drain and fill ports. > > I am getting closer to installing mine and I am trying to think of all the > things I could do wrong. Need some help figuring this one out. > > Is it possible to put it into the car if it's full of oil without dumping it > all over the garage floor? > > Thanks for any input. > > Charles M. "Monty" Love > Dynetics, Inc. > 256-461-2780 > 256-337-5581 (Cell) > 256-882-1543 (Home) > ET Test > > The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They > happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mikey at b2systems.com Thu Mar 19 20:22:17 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:22:17 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <792360.82727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188520903201011r1bd5866crbc3ffd5963a55abe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237519337.6284.80.camel@WebBrowser> I have a t-shirt that I wear often and always gets lots of smiles. To be old and wise You must first be young and stupid. mike On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 18:12 +0000, robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote: > Isn't it: > > Good judgement comes from experience. > > Experience comes from bad judgement. > > > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:11:48 -0500 > > From: 72spridget at gmail.com > > > > > I took the MSF course a few years ago. There were things I already knew > > and > > > practiced, but there were many more that made perfect sense once you > heard > > > them that I had not really thought about. Great course - and a fun way to > > > spend a weekend. > > > > True maturity is the ability to learn from someone else's experiences > > without having to make all of the mistakes yourself... From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 20 12:34:37 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:34:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <> Around here or anywhere in Cook Co. or the 'collar counties' I wouldn't ride for love nor money. I am often heard to say that a rider has a TARGET on their back, front & both sides !!!!!! Pure suicide IMO!! When I was working as a Medic back in '77 in the Detroit area I went on a State Police call out in the BOONIES !! Road is STRAIGHT & FLAT with ZERO sight obstructions!! Bike was hit head-on by a 70+ little old lady driving a pale blue Rambler and she had swerved into the oncoming lane and hit the bike with LEFT front at a guesstimated 65+ MPH. Bike operator barely went over the car HEAD first and landed that way. Dead-On-Scene. His female passenger likewise went over the car and land around 100' down the road. She was breathing but gray-matter was oozing out the edges of helmet. She made it TO the hospital and died an hour later. L.Old.L. was walking around the scene yelling a the 1st cop that they hit her!! Later learned that Co. have filled in-voluntary man-slaughter charges but I never learned anything more. After we cleared the hospital I called the man office and asked the Co. Owner to push both my Honda & HD out front and put Fore Sale signs on them. Lost my shirt on them and haven't rode since!! Me From kgb at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 20 11:40:55 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <1237519337.6284.80.camel@WebBrowser> References: <792360.82727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188520903201011r1bd5866crbc3ffd5963a55abe@mail.gmail.com> <1237519337.6284.80.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <49C3E337.108@frontiernet.net> Most of my accidents, and the only ones that have caused permanent damage to my aching body took place while I was driving a 40' long, 9' wide city bus. The last one, and the one that ultimately caused me to retire, was an elderly lady, stopped at a red light, who accelerated into the side of my bus, hitting it hard enough to break the frame. Her excuse - she thought I was in the left lane. Other accidents involved cars ignoring 3' square red signs that read "Do not enter - buses only!" Since they couldn't see the sign, it was obviously equally impossible to see a large object with all its lights flashing. If I had been able to convince maintenance t opaint large red targets on all four sides, people might have avoided hitting me. Kate From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Fri Mar 20 11:44:16 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: <20090320094523.F222318765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: You are absolutely correct. Your best defence when riding a bike is to ride like you are invisible. A percentage don't see you anyway, even if they are looking in your direction. If it is not an automobile it just does not register for some reason. Mike On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:30 AM, GUY DAY wrote: > I won't go as far as Dave by saying every crash is the bike riders fault > but I will say that everybody on 4+ wheels is out to get you (unless they > have been bike riders - but even so ....). > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ramsey" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Another Crash > > > You made a good choice, but if you're going to ride motorcycles you must >> remember that ANY crash you're in is your fault. If you can't avoid even >> a >> kid on a big wheel, for any reason, stay off the bike and live. Once you >> think you are a big boy and can play with the traffic because you have the >> right away, you are correct you have the dead right away. >> Crash >> >> I had the choice of letting him hit me with the side of his >> truck or going in the ditch >> Mike MacLean >> 60 Sprite >> 56 BN2 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mikey at b2systems.com Thu Mar 19 20:38:33 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:38:33 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237520313.6284.89.camel@WebBrowser> Been riding since the mid 1970's when I got my license, after soccer mom ran the stop and tried to take me out 2 years ago (I never even saw what hit me) I swore that since I walked away and since they totaled my bike, I swore I would never ride again. I was very confident, I dodged a bullet and would never ride again. Currently test riding bikes and actively looking for a new bike :) not bad, I stayed away almost 2 years. Its a risk thing, you have to evaluate how much of a life you want to live and how much of your life you want to waste before you go. For some its not biking, for some its jumping out of perfectly good airplanes or other risky stuff that others do, for me its riding. mike p.s. to bring LBCs back into this, I am not sure a bike is anymore dangerous than some of the LBC's on the road against the Soccer Moms in their SUVs. On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 13:34 -0600, Ed's Shop wrote: > < remember that ANY crash you're in is your fault.>> > > Around here or anywhere in Cook Co. or the 'collar counties' > I wouldn't ride for love nor money. I am often heard to > say that a rider has a TARGET on their back, front & > both sides !!!!!! Pure suicide IMO!! > > When I was working as a Medic back in '77 in the Detroit > area I went on a State Police call out in the BOONIES !! > Road is STRAIGHT & FLAT with ZERO sight obstructions!! > Bike was hit head-on by a 70+ little old lady driving a > pale blue Rambler and she had swerved into the oncoming > lane and hit the bike with LEFT front at a guesstimated > 65+ MPH. Bike operator barely went over the car HEAD > first and landed that way. Dead-On-Scene. His female > passenger likewise went over the car and land around 100' > down the road. She was breathing but gray-matter was > oozing out the edges of helmet. She made it TO the > hospital and died an hour later. L.Old.L. was walking > around the scene yelling a the 1st cop that they hit her!! > > Later learned that Co. have filled in-voluntary > man-slaughter charges but I never learned anything more. > > After we cleared the hospital I called the man office and > asked the Co. Owner to push both my Honda & HD out > front and put Fore Sale signs on them. Lost my shirt on > them and haven't rode since!! > > Me From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Fri Mar 20 11:59:09 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:59:09 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: <77639395.20090320111807@pacifier.com> References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> <77639395.20090320111807@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Yes, but if you have a clearance issue with the top of the tunnel, you won't be able to slide it forward, which was my experience. The way you describe was the way I installed it. Mike MacLean On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bill L wrote: > Hello rrengineer, > > When I put in the driveshaft, I just reach down the shifter hole > and pick up the yoke and start it on the output shaft. > > And then there's the masking tape method.... .. > > no need to cut and weld OR fight the whole assembly as one piece > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > Xerox never comes up with anything original. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:03:23 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:03:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <402188520903201011r1bd5866crbc3ffd5963a55abe@mail.gmail.com> References: <792360.82727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402188520903201011r1bd5866crbc3ffd5963a55abe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903201203i717c1010x5623d2f863ef9d2a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > > True maturity is the ability to learn from someone else's experiences > without having to make all of the mistakes yourself... Nope. True maturity is the ability to blame your mistakes on someone else in such a way that everyone believes you.... -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:21:10 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? Message-ID: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> List,I am setting up a wall chart at school of the A-Series Engine to go along with the 948 sitting on the counter of my classroom (from my 58 for my 62 or giant hall pass for students). My problem is when I scan in images the image on the other side bleeds through. The worst book was the Hayne's see in pict, the Leyland Work Shop manual was a little better with the thicker paper stock. Are there any shop manuals for the Spridgets with print on one side or very thick paper? Or perhaps some sites with better pics & chart list of part names? I would like to plot the images on our plotter so I'll need quality. If I can get the kids through the new curriculum I'll have them draw the parts on our software. BTW the kids are fascinated that there is an engine in our classroom : ) Thanks, Lin A-Series Motor http://tinyurl.com/d6o5zo New toy 58 http://tinyurl.com/dasc8j From proefrock at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 12:23:41 2009 From: proefrock at comcast.net (Jim Proefrock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:23:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2066BB72-D326-4F2A-B3CE-DD79B727F655@comcast.net> Try putting a sheet of black construction paper behind the page you are scanning. On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > List,I am setting up a wall chart at school of the A-Series Engine > to go > along with the 948 sitting on the counter of my classroom (from my > 58 for my > 62 or giant hall pass for students). My problem is when I scan in > images the > image on the other side bleeds through. The worst book was the > Hayne's see > in pict, the Leyland Work Shop manual was a little better with the > thicker > paper stock. Are there any shop manuals for the Spridgets with > print on one > side or very thick paper? Or perhaps some sites with better pics & > chart > list of part names? I would like to plot the images on our plotter > so I'll > need quality. If I can get the kids through the new curriculum I'll > have > them draw the parts on our software. BTW the kids are fascinated > that there > is an engine in our classroom : ) > Thanks, > Lin > > > A-Series Motor > http://tinyurl.com/d6o5zo > > New toy 58 > http://tinyurl.com/dasc8j > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as proefrock at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:29:04 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> <77639395.20090320111807@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <402188520903201229q24f17d2et26882cf1fec35545@mail.gmail.com> It really is NOT that hard to install the driveshaft afterwards. I have always done it that way and it is no big deal. A lot less hassle than trying to thread the whole works into place as a unit. Yes, the masking tape method serves admirably to hold the nose high enough to slip right into place with no need for an assistant nor for a hole under the U-joint. With a 1500, OTOH, you DO need the hole under the U-joint! David Lieb From wsthompson at thicko.com Fri Mar 20 13:58:11 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> OK, no idea exactly who is attending.. but I'm hoping for a good turnout. Some will be here Sat., some Sun., some both days. If you have something available, please bring air hose, and a multi tester. Thanks. Yes, we can always use beer & snacks. Some have already committed to bringing food. I have charcoal and lighter fluid, and breakfast fixin's for Sun AM for the overnight guests. A big box o donuts wouldn't be a bad idea for either morning. I'll have a big coffee pot on. See youse tomorrow or Sun. WST From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 14:31:51 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash Message-ID: <582694.80159.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/19/09, mike rambour wrote:" I have a t-shirt that I wear often and always gets lots of smiles. To be old and wise You must first be young and stupid." Maybe a third line should be added: "...and lucky enough to live through it" - David Booker From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 14:45:41 2009 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:45:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 cooling fan clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C40E85.1080202@sbcglobal.net> How do you tell when the viscous cooling fan clutch is about to give up the ghost? I've got a little wobble I can feel when I wiggle the fan (stopped) and an intermittent "groan" coming from the front of the engine that I can't pin down precisely and am wondering if the fan clutch is about to let go and send the fan through the hood. Thanks. From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Fri Mar 20 14:59:25 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:59:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 cooling fan clutch In-Reply-To: <49C40E85.1080202@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20090320215925.QNKH16454.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Yeah, it sounds like it. If you really want to test it *WARNING/DISCLAIMER AT YOUR OWN RISK* roll a newspaper up tight and attempt to drag the fan on the downward side at idle. We did this with our BMWs For me, the wobble tells it anyway. Your hood should be OK, it's the radiator to worry about. It's softer. Again, stupid human trick so beware if you are not sure. Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lee Fox Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:46 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 cooling fan clutch How do you tell when the viscous cooling fan clutch is about to give up the ghost? I've got a little wobble I can feel when I wiggle the fan (stopped) and an intermittent "groan" coming from the front of the engine that I can't pin down precisely and am wondering if the fan clutch is about to let go and send the fan through the hood. Thanks. From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:57:57 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:57:57 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Accident bike Message-ID: <37dc82d40903201557j21116589w87d610eddb471e4b@mail.gmail.com> Riding a Suzuki 1000cc LTD while waiting for my Harley (which was on order) I came into a pool of transmission fluid while downshifting into a left turn lane. It was night, couldn't see the difference in the road.. I went over the "high side" (bad way to fall) and the bike and I tumbled together for a good distance down the road. I hit on my chest using my hands to help slow the impact. I was totally bruised up and in pain. I realized that day how unforgiving the road surface is and in the midst of getting back to my feet I swore to myself I would never ride a bike again. A couple motorists asked if they could help me. . . but my embarrassment and pride crept in telling them that I was "ok." I pulled the bike to the side of the road, regained my composure and rode home in tremendous pain. Gear box fluid on a dark street is something that one might not be able to see. Just my two cents, and this accident no doubt contributed to my last 5.5 hour back surgery. Kirk 59 BE From grday at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 16:02:58 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:02:58 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? References: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29643107F6D14A96B3F85A2234CF5FD2@dell330> Linda, Try scanning with a piece of black paper / card behind the page you are doing. Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Grunthaner" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? > List,I am setting up a wall chart at school of the A-Series Engine to go > along with the 948 sitting on the counter of my classroom (from my 58 for > my > 62 or giant hall pass for students). My problem is when I scan in images > the > image on the other side bleeds through. The worst book was the Hayne's see > in pict, the Leyland Work Shop manual was a little better with the thicker > paper stock. Are there any shop manuals for the Spridgets with print on > one > side or very thick paper? Or perhaps some sites with better pics & chart > list of part names? I would like to plot the images on our plotter so I'll > need quality. If I can get the kids through the new curriculum I'll have > them draw the parts on our software. BTW the kids are fascinated that > there > is an engine in our classroom : ) > Thanks, > Lin > > > A-Series Motor > http://tinyurl.com/d6o5zo > > New toy 58 > http://tinyurl.com/dasc8j > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Mar 20 16:04:31 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:04:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 cooling fan clutch In-Reply-To: <49C40E85.1080202@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > and send the fan through the hood. Only on Ramblers...at least that's been my experience. From grday at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 16:07:41 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:07:41 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] E brake settings References: <49C3E0D8.9020804@comcast.net> Message-ID: <66538BCD68954CEAAF40E5BDB742E911@dell330> http://www.rossroadsprings.co.uk/Main%20frame%20page.htm These are UK steel. I understand they have been thought the chink stuff and thought the same as Frank does. Replacing bent springs does no good to the pocket or reputation. Usual disclaimers etc. I've used them for around 30 years for many vehicles. Add 1 week onto mfr time if a 'one off' (they're always late on those!) but if it is a standard spring they don't have in stock they'll make it within a week. Might be a little expensive to ferry them across to you. Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Ed's Shop" Cc: "Spridgets" ; Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] E brake settings > Ed's Shop wrote: >> Glad you brought it up, Jeff!!! >> >> <> replace them properly?>> >> > I buy them on Ebay NOS, THAT one did NOT stretch in a week like the cheap > made repro. >> He did reply with 'source' which IS in UK !!!! >> NONE Asian item. >> >> >> I would not hesitate to install one on (if I had one) >> >> > Good, I'll send you this assembled in the UK out of chinese components > cable and YOU can install it. > > Just like the leaf springs from British Spring in the UK. > WTF are all the chinky letters stamped in the steel leafs? > Again, ASSEMBLED in the UK out of chinese *STUFF* > Rice patties and donkey dung forges just don't get hot enough. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pilotrob at msn.com Fri Mar 20 16:13:48 2009 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:13:48 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] RE: PerTronix Message-ID: Actually, if I remember accurately from a couple of years ago when this subject came up.... Frank was one of the first users of the PerTonix when originated at a time when the factory evidently had quality control issues and the early units produced apparently burned out pre-maturely leaving those using them stranded for no damn good reason. As I recall (and I could very well be wrong) Frank reponded accordingly with his normal laid back "f--k this" and returned to good, ole' reliable points immediatley!!! :):) It well could have been a case of "rotor hex" considering people would open up their spark plug gaps to 0.35 or so after installing the PerTronix (like I first did) which "pulled" more juice from the coil which immediately "fried" some of the sub-standard ign. rotors being produced. PPP OTOH, always carried the better constructed ign. rotors and with the installation of one of his, "rotor hex' could be avoided. Alernatively, one could simply keep the plug gap stock. I found I could open the plug gap to about .028 before the inferior rotors would fry. CapBob -----Original Message----- From: Ed's Shop Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:11 PM To: Spridgets, midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com Subject: [midgetsprite] RE: [Spridgets] E brake settings Glad you brought it up, Jeff!!! <> I have a friend/higher up at Moss and when I see something like Frank penned I forward to him for comment/reply. He did reply with 'source' which IS in UK !!!! NONE Asian item. All I can think of as in Frank's case is that the Pertronix/PPP Condenser 'hex' applied!!! I would not hesitate to install one on (if I had one) a Bugeye (sure wish I STILL had one). I would also suspect that the 'source' supplies for other LBCs and I wouldn't hesitate installing on my 2 LBCs!! Ed From billmasq at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 16:22:31 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:22:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent In-Reply-To: <951F48C66B08416E803286F3635E7F81@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <951F48C66B08416E803286F3635E7F81@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: Actually- if you use the "Y" pipe then you don't need a PCV valve, it is the replacement (sort of). Sounds like you are good-to-go. Bill > From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:35:41 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent > > If you don't want oil out the rear seal, think "suction" rather than just > venting. Collecting the restricted vents to a PCV to the intake manifold > will dry it up best. > > Glen > > > I've been advised about crankcase venting on my 1970 vintage 1275 > > (12/DA/H29827) . I believe this year was before the air pump emissions > > junk > > cluttered everything up. My plan is to run a vented oil cap (Oil cap has a > > 1/4 > > inch hole on the inside and air passes freely so I think this is an oem > > vented > > cap?. I will connect the carb "Y" pipe to the Timing cover canister vent > > on > > the front of the engine. Is this sufficient crankcase ventilation? My > > biggest > > concern is crankcase pressure pushing oil through the rear main seal.This > > is a > > freshly rebuilt engine. I've toyed with the idea of drilling out a non > > vented > > oil fill cap and installing a rubber grommet and pcv valve for increased > > venting. Are my concerns unfounded? Thanks. > > > > > > 1960 Bugeye > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 16:28:58 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:28:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent In-Reply-To: References: <951F48C66B08416E803286F3635E7F81@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <402188520903201628n2faa53edg552d60cd6bb60181@mail.gmail.com> > Actually- if you use the "Y" pipe then you don't need a PCV valve, it is the > replacement (sort of). > Sounds like you are good-to-go. You are going to play hob with your mixture if you do. David From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:37:36 2009 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:37:36 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent In-Reply-To: <402188520903201628n2faa53edg552d60cd6bb60181@mail.gmail.com> References: <951F48C66B08416E803286F3635E7F81@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> <402188520903201628n2faa53edg552d60cd6bb60181@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c1781040903201737i16543098jf09fed922c05469d@mail.gmail.com> I ran my timing chain cover vent to the "Y", with an unvented cap on the rocker cover, and the vent line on the rocker cover to the air cleaner box. My mixture always seemed fine. The car ran fine and the plugs always looked good. The orifice in the rocker cover vent was less than 1/8" diameter (IIRC). On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >> Actually- if you use the "Y" pipe then you don't need a PCV valve, it is the >> replacement (sort of). >> Sounds like you are good-to-go. > > You are going to play hob with your mixture if you do. > David > _______________________________________________ From jimndi at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 20 17:52:57 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:52:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent References: <951F48C66B08416E803286F3635E7F81@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu><402188520903201628n2faa53edg552d60cd6bb60181@mail.gmail.com> <8c1781040903201737i16543098jf09fed922c05469d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A707726540E4B98B863DA1D54DD2363@MAINCOMPUTER> I finally realized that most of the confusion on this subject is because I am not Familiar with these british cars. The vehicle I bought had a bunch of parts taken apart by someone else and I'm attempting to get the bugeye together with a 1970 midget engine. I do not have the emission stuff that is supposed to be on the engine. charcoal canitster, air pump gulp valve etc. I've gone through the basket of the basketcase and I have a complete 948 engine, and many misc. parts. absolutely no help in setting up crancase venting on a 1275. I'm not even certain if I have all my parts yet but the engine is new and fresh and I'm trying to assemble as simply as possible with the parts I have . 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Jessie" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent >I ran my timing chain cover vent to the "Y", with an unvented cap on > the rocker cover, and the vent line on the rocker cover to the air > cleaner box. My mixture always seemed fine. The car ran fine and the > plugs always looked good. The orifice in the rocker cover vent was > less than 1/8" diameter (IIRC). > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Actually- if you use the "Y" pipe then you don't need a PCV valve, it is >>> the >>> replacement (sort of). >>> Sounds like you are good-to-go. >> >> You are going to play hob with your mixture if you do. >> David >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.21/2014 - Release Date: 03/20/09 06:59:00 From dlh2001 at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 17:54:12 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:54:12 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] RE: PerTronix References: Message-ID: Good info Bob, My problem is I don't know what I got. I think I picked my Pertronix up in 2004. In any case, I was scanning throught the Digikey catalog today and I found this chip by ST: http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/1339/l482.pdf If my Pertronix ever fails I think I am going to make my own replacement module using the above, a Hall sensor, and a couple discrete parts. This ST part has adaptive dwell and it won't cook itself (or the coil) if you leave the ignition key on. Seems to do just what an Ignitor II does. Total cost in parts is well under $15. The real cost is in the time soldering and potting it into something that will fit nicely in the distributor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Shlafer" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] RE: PerTronix > Actually, if I remember accurately from a couple of years ago when this subject came up.... > > Frank was one of the first users of the PerTonix when originated at a time when the factory evidently had quality control issues > and the early units produced apparently burned out pre-maturely leaving those using them stranded for no damn good reason. > > As I recall (and I could very well be wrong) > Frank reponded accordingly with his normal laid back "f--k this" and returned to good, ole' reliable points immediatley!!! :):) > > It well could have been a case of "rotor hex" > considering people would open up their spark plug gaps to 0.35 or so after installing the PerTronix (like I first did) which > "pulled" more juice from the coil which immediately "fried" some of the sub-standard ign. rotors being produced. > > PPP OTOH, always carried the better > constructed ign. rotors and with the installation of one of his, "rotor hex' > could be avoided. > > Alernatively, one could simply keep the > plug gap stock. I found I could open the plug gap to about .028 before the inferior rotors would fry. > > CapBob From pelliott at innercite.com Fri Mar 20 18:41:31 2009 From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:41:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> Message-ID: <062901c9a9c6$29fc9e50$7df5daf0$@com> Mike and others, never heard of the electrical tape trick? Wrap the forward end of the assembled drive shaft U-joint tightly with electrical tape, enough to make it very stiff. Now you can install the Transmission and engine without the long floppy drive shaft attached. You can stick the drive shaft into the transmission from under the car, through the tunnel. After one circle around the block, you can remove the now balled up electrical tape off the rear end of the drive line. From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 19:00:03 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: <062901c9a9c6$29fc9e50$7df5daf0$@com> References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> <062901c9a9c6$29fc9e50$7df5daf0$@com> Message-ID: <49C44A23.6000700@comcast.net> Patrick Elliott wrote: > Mike and others, never heard of the electrical tape trick? Wrap the forward > end of the assembled drive shaft U-joint tightly with electrical tape, > enough to make it very stiff. Now you can install the Transmission and > engine without the long floppy drive shaft attached. You can stick the > drive shaft into the transmission from under the car, through the tunnel. > After one circle around the block, you can remove the now balled up > electrical tape off the rear end of the drive line. > This is a great idea and I have used it a few times BUT you have to remember the tape is there because the first time you drive it that tape unwraps and whips against the tunnel and sounds like your whole world just blew up. If you have a weak heart, do not try this trick unless you put a sign on the steering wheel. Warning, be prepared for ungodly noises as soon as I hit 2nd gear. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From dlh2001 at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 19:00:43 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Herb made me curious, so I picked up a bottle of this stuff on the way home from work. Autozone carries it. It's a little exspensive Herb. The 32oz (~1 liter) bottle is $9 (with a $3 rebate) Your proposed 5 gallons is going to be pricey. I had a few reamers from a flea market that were surfaced rusted. Its a slow proccess but it gets the job done in about 30 min. On tool steel it seems to convert the rust to a black oxide. Have not tried any mild steel or cast iron items yet. Better than naval jelly for sure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WFO Herb" Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. > http://www.evapo-rust.com/ > > Be sure to watch the video; works as you see it. > > Bought a gallon of this last week. Plan on buying a 5 gallon bucket for > ease-of-use. From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:01:25 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:01:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent References: <951F48C66B08416E803286F3635E7F81@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu><402188520903201628n2faa53edg552d60cd6bb60181@mail.gmail.com> <8c1781040903201737i16543098jf09fed922c05469d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >I ran my timing chain cover vent to the "Y", with an unvented cap on > the rocker cover, and the vent line on the rocker cover to the air > cleaner box. My mixture always seemed fine. The car ran fine and the > plugs always looked good. The orifice in the rocker cover vent was > less than 1/8" diameter (IIRC). See, YOU had the orifice in place and used it to limit the amount of air available to the Y-pipe. Jim was proposing to avail himself of an unfiltered hole in his oil cap roughly 1/4" in diameter. BIG difference. Also, if youy look inside that pipe, you will find that, although the hole at the end is about 1/8", the effective orificae is significantly smaller than that. David Lieb From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Mar 20 19:02:57 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:02:57 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] RE: PerTronix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In any case, I was scanning throught the Digikey catalog today and I found > this chip by ST: > http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/1339/l482.pdf I don't think DigiKey makes roadside deliveries. You might have better luck with Mouser. From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:11:53 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> Message-ID: > Yes, we can always use beer & snacks. Some have already committed to > bringing food. I have charcoal and lighter fluid, and breakfast fixin's > for > Sun AM for the overnight guests. A big box o donuts wouldn't be a bad idea > for either morning. I'll have a big coffee pot on. I've got burgers, brats, and chicken as well as buns and pop and condiments. Someone bringin some chips? From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 19:14:51 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> Message-ID: <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> I'll pick up the chips and see if I can't find a Racine Kringle for b'fast. Anything else? LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> To: "Wm. Severin Thompson" ; "'Spridgets'" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > Yes, we can always use beer & snacks. Some have already committed to > bringing food. I have charcoal and lighter fluid, and breakfast fixin's > for > Sun AM for the overnight guests. A big box o donuts wouldn't be a bad idea > for either morning. I'll have a big coffee pot on. I've got burgers, brats, and chicken as well as buns and pop and condiments. Someone bringin some chips? You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 19:25:02 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:25:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> Message-ID: <49C44FFE.1070900@comcast.net> Larry Daniels wrote: > I'll pick up the chips and see if I can't find a Racine Kringle for b'fast. > > Oooohhh Kringles and Brats. I wish I was going. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:25:06 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <459495.52497.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I haven't had time to pick up anything, but will grab something on the way up if I get out of here at the intended 6-ish am. I've gotta be back on the road by 2. Mal, is that you? Ron Soave --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > From: Larry Daniels > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > To: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com>, "Wm. Severin Thompson" , "'Spridgets'" > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:14 PM > I'll pick up the chips and see if I > can't find a Racine Kringle for b'fast. > > Anything else? > > > LAD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> > To: "Wm. Severin Thompson" ; > "'Spridgets'" > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > > > Yes, we can always use beer & snacks. Some have > already committed to > > bringing food. I have charcoal and lighter fluid, and > breakfast fixin's > > for > > Sun AM for the overnight guests. A big box o donuts > wouldn't be a bad idea > > for either morning. I'll have a big coffee pot on. > > I've got burgers, brats, and chicken as well as buns and > pop and condiments. > Someone bringin some chips? > You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:25:14 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <418957.77793.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I haven't had time to pick up anything, but will grab something on the way up if I get out of here at the intended 6-ish am. I've gotta be back on the road by 2. Mal, is that you? Ron Soave --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > From: Larry Daniels > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > To: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com>, "Wm. Severin Thompson" , "'Spridgets'" > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:14 PM > I'll pick up the chips and see if I > can't find a Racine Kringle for b'fast. > > Anything else? > > > LAD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> > To: "Wm. Severin Thompson" ; > "'Spridgets'" > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > > > Yes, we can always use beer & snacks. Some have > already committed to > > bringing food. I have charcoal and lighter fluid, and > breakfast fixin's > > for > > Sun AM for the overnight guests. A big box o donuts > wouldn't be a bad idea > > for either morning. I'll have a big coffee pot on. > > I've got burgers, brats, and chicken as well as buns and > pop and condiments. > Someone bringin some chips? > You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:26:20 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <608392.43327.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Frank wrote: > Oooohhh > Kringles and Brats. I wish I was going. So do we. Ron From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 19:25:51 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> <49C44FFE.1070900@comcast.net> Message-ID: Too late to drive, Frank. You're gonna need to fly. I'll see if it's even remotely possible to pick up a pizza that you would approve of. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Larry Daniels" Cc: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com>; "Wm. Severin Thompson" ; "'Spridgets'" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Larry Daniels wrote: > I'll pick up the chips and see if I can't find a Racine Kringle for > b'fast. > > Oooohhh Kringles and Brats. I wish I was going. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:26:46 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:26:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> <49C44FFE.1070900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <12A21A6A0994408FB863E098040173A5@rwa> > Kringles and Brats. I wish I was going. Quick, hop into a Sprite and start driving! From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:28:05 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > You're gonna need to fly. I'll see if it's even > remotely possible to pick up a pizza that you would approve > of. I assure you, it most definitely is not. And yes that includes Wells Brothers. Ron (last time for the night) From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 19:30:34 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:30:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, hell, Ron. I was gonna rely on you to steer me in the right direction. Of course you Easterners can't appreciate a Chicago Deep Dish. Too bad. That's what I grew up on. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Frank" ; "Larry Daniels" Cc: "'Spridgets'" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > You're gonna need to fly. I'll see if it's even > remotely possible to pick up a pizza that you would approve > of. I assure you, it most definitely is not. And yes that includes Wells Brothers. Ron (last time for the night) From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:34:15 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> > Oh, hell, Ron. I was gonna rely on you to steer me in the right > direction. > > Of course you Easterners can't appreciate a Chicago Deep Dish. Too bad. > That's what I grew up on. Larry, By now you should know that you cannot trust someone who calls a pizza a "pie". From wsthompson at thicko.com Fri Mar 20 19:35:27 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:35:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> Message-ID: <005501c9a9cd$b42c4600$1c84d200$@com> Not sure anyone is bringing soda. I'll have a big coffee pot going. > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Daniels [mailto:ladaniels at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:15 PM > To: 72 Spridget; Wm. Severin Thompson; 'Spridgets' > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > I'll pick up the chips and see if I can't find a Racine Kringle for > b'fast. > > Anything else? > > ts From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 19:36:40 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> Message-ID: <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> Oh, Geez. Here we go on a new flame out. Us, who know a good Chicago Pizza, vs those right coast pretenders. Let the fire begin.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> To: "Larry Daniels" ; "S pridgets" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > Oh, hell, Ron. I was gonna rely on you to steer me in the right > direction. > > Of course you Easterners can't appreciate a Chicago Deep Dish. Too bad. > That's what I grew up on. Larry, By now you should know that you cannot trust someone who calls a pizza a "pie". From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 19:37:22 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:37:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> <005501c9a9cd$b42c4600$1c84d200$@com> Message-ID: <84D44BDFFB0649DDAE9802F4140A15EE@Larry> I'll bring some soda, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "'Larry Daniels'" ; "'72 Spridget'" <72spridget at gmail.com>; "'Spridgets'" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Not sure anyone is bringing soda. I'll have a big coffee pot going. > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Daniels [mailto:ladaniels at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:15 PM > To: 72 Spridget; Wm. Severin Thompson; 'Spridgets' > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > I'll pick up the chips and see if I can't find a Racine Kringle for > b'fast. > > Anything else? > > ts From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:40:24 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <590702.3746.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > Of course you Easterners can't appreciate a Chicago Deep > Dish. Too bad. We do, it's just that we always called it "casserole". Ron From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:40:54 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:40:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> <005501c9a9cd$b42c4600$1c84d200$@com> Message-ID: <2FD4D8B4DE594A5488127EAC87FC515F@rwa> > Not sure anyone is bringing soda. I'll have a big coffee pot going. Pop, soda, call it what you want. I have a 32-pack of Coke, a 32-pack of Sprite (no Midget at the store), a 2-litre of Guarana Antartica, and a few odds and sods in the car. David From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 19:45:37 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:45:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <590702.3746.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "'Spridgets'" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > Of course you Easterners can't appreciate a Chicago Deep > Dish. Too bad. We do, it's just that we always called it "casserole". Ron _______________________________________________ A total lack of respect for the true old country pizza. Tsk. Tsk. Good taste seems to have migrated west. From wsthompson at thicko.com Fri Mar 20 19:47:26 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:47:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <2FD4D8B4DE594A5488127EAC87FC515F@rwa> References: <00e101c9a99e$967fbad0$c37f3070$@com> <2CC767E17B4E4FDE9584FB000581987D@Larry> <005501c9a9cd$b42c4600$1c84d200$@com> <2FD4D8B4DE594A5488127EAC87FC515F@rwa> Message-ID: <005601c9a9cf$6054bba0$20fe32e0$@com> Maybe a couple bags of ice. Sposed to be in the 50's tomorrow. > -----Original Message----- > From: 72 Spridget [mailto:72spridget at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:41 PM > To: Wm. Severin Thompson; 'Larry Daniels'; 'Spridgets' > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > > Not sure anyone is bringing soda. I'll have a big coffee pot going. > > Pop, soda, call it what you want. I have a 32-pack of Coke, a 32-pack > of > Sprite (no Midget at the store), a 2-litre of Guarana Antartica, and a > few > odds and sods in the car. > David From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:52:47 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <370114.74128.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > A total lack of respect for the true old country > pizza. Tsk. Tsk. I'll be in Genoa (Italy, not IL) in 2 weeks. I'll bring back a slice of pizza. I'll shrink wrap it when I get it home. When I see you next, if the slice resembles a NY slice, you eat it. If it resembles a Chicago slice, I'll eat it. Deal? LBC content - Larry and I both take care of my Spridget race car. We'll be working on Sprites in some capacity tomorrow. I think we're both ambivalent about the Pertronix/Crane/EI/points debate. Ron From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 20 20:57:37 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:57:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> I would be right along side Frank, BARFING LAD!!! UGH ! Frank, next time out here TRUST me and do NOT even try deep-dung !!! I GOTTA come vist you and The Lady Di and get some REAL pie!!! From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 20 21:01:38 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:01:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Yep, Buster, Mike, Gerard, the Bill & Bill Road Show, Paul A., Bob K., BobG., Vigil, Vern, etc. ARE all of the WEST coast Larry!!!!! From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 20 21:07:48 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:07:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <12A21A6A0994408FB863E098040173A5@rwa> Message-ID: <> Even Frank ain't THAT fast, David !!!!! And even if he STOLE one!!!! From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 20:06:34 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:06:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <370114.74128.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96B450C7677F43868598CC3EC732D8D2@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "'Spridgets'" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > A total lack of respect for the true old country > pizza. Tsk. Tsk. I'll be in Genoa (Italy, not IL) in 2 weeks. I'll bring back a slice of pizza. I'll shrink wrap it when I get it home. When I see you next, if the slice resembles a NY slice, you eat it. If it resembles a Chicago slice, I'll eat it. Deal? LBC content - Larry and I both take care of my Spridget race car. We'll be working on Sprites in some capacity tomorrow. I think we're both ambivalent about the Pertronix/Crane/EI/points debate. Ron _______________________________________________ Bring back two slices and we'll both eat 'em. And thanks for letting me hang out with your race team. It's the best I can do to keep in touch with the sport without jumping back in again. Maybe someday I'll listen to Carrie and join you on the track. She seems to think it's the only thing I can do to be completely happy again. From shop at justbrits.com Fri Mar 20 21:12:09 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:12:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <96B450C7677F43868598CC3EC732D8D2@Larry> Message-ID: <> Guess ya better bring a WHOLE one back Ron, I AM on the way to Roscoe !!!! From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 20:19:31 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:19:31 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> Message-ID: <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> Larry Daniels wrote: > > Us, who know a good Chicago Pizza, vs those right coast pretenders. > > > Deep Dish PIZZA is fine, I have had it. But nobody beats a good ole TOMATO PIE. This crust, no grease dripping off it, not alot of cheese. Tomato Pie, it ain't pizza. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 20:31:44 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:31:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> Message-ID: <31BB093E65C947D2B4B30CBB2AEA328B@Larry> Larry Daniels wrote: > > Us, who know a good Chicago Pizza, vs those right coast pretenders. > > > Deep Dish PIZZA is fine, I have had it. But nobody beats a good ole TOMATO PIE. This crust, no grease dripping off it, not alot of cheese. Tomato Pie, it ain't pizza. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites ================== You know, Frank, I've never been out there by you and don't know what you are talking about. But I sure would like to try it. Seriously. If the Elkhart Lake proposal wins for the Midget 50th, why don't you bring out your best recipe and introduce us midwesterners to your version. I, for one, would love to try it. We have picked a 3 bedroom condo with kitchen etc. as the hospitality suite and that would give you a chance to show off your best pie. I would love to be your first customer. This could be a real cool opportunity to show off your best. I'm looking forward to it. Let's do it. Larry From davriker at nwi.net Fri Mar 20 20:51:15 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:51:15 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash References: <174108.95527.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <084997C92BB64113ABBE65DF6E57CFBA@MAIN> All new cars sold meet the letter of the standards, but not all achieve 5 star crash ratings, or there would be no reason for a rating scale. At work we have a collision center. I get to see wrecked cars come in every day. 6 months ago there was another Equinox that came in. It had been hit head on by a driver asleep at the wheel traveling at 60 mph. Driver and passenger walked away from that accident too. To actually see these cars, know the story and observe that the passenger compartment is still intact, and the doors still open and close is beyond amazing. Like the oil on the road in the dark story somebody else relayed, some accidents ARE unavoidable. Defensive driving is important, awareness is important, but when the cross street is obstructed by a hedge, and the car comes out from behind that hedge at almost double the legal speed limit, there's no where and no time to get out of the way. My wife says I cranked the wheel in an evasive manuver, I don't remember it, but my thumb ligaments are torn, probably from the steering wheel being ripped out of my hands on impact. My ankle is sore, but didn't hit anything, best I can tell I was trying to jam on the brakes, again, don't remember. Mr "tinydog", if you were my dog, you'd be off to the pound. I don't like most of your comments, and so you are off to my spam filter to join derf and capt bob, and the occasional ad for male enhancement products. I hope you enjoy it there. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Another Crash > tinydog commented: > > You gotta respect any manufacturer that builds a product that meets > federally mandated safety standards. > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, David Riker wrote: >> From: davriker at nwi.net >> To: spridgets at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:26:47 -0700 >> Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Fri Mar 20 21:32:49 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:32:49 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: <062901c9a9c6$29fc9e50$7df5daf0$@com> References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> <062901c9a9c6$29fc9e50$7df5daf0$@com> Message-ID: I could reach the drive shaft throught the hole for the shifter can, so I did not need tape. My problem was the drive shaft would not slide into the transmission due to insufficient clearence between the u-joint and the top of the tunnel. After it was in place, the u-joint was clear of the tunnel in it's more forward postion. That is why it would have been better to install the drive shaft with the engine and transmission. Electrical tape would not have solved my problem. It is a good solution to a stock installation though. Mike On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote: > Mike and others, never heard of the electrical tape trick? Wrap the > forward > end of the assembled drive shaft U-joint tightly with electrical tape, > enough to make it very stiff. Now you can install the Transmission and > engine without the long floppy drive shaft attached. You can stick the > drive shaft into the transmission from under the car, through the tunnel. > After one circle around the block, you can remove the now balled up > electrical tape off the rear end of the drive line. From 72spridget at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 03:33:33 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:33:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com><49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net><402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com><49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net><062901c9a9c6$29fc9e50$7df5daf0$@com> Message-ID: >I could reach the drive shaft throught the hole for the shifter can, so I > did not need tape. My problem was the drive shaft would not slide into > the > transmission due to insufficient clearence between the u-joint and the top > of the tunnel. After it was in place, the u-joint was clear of the tunnel > in it's more forward postion. That is why it would have been better to > install the drive shaft with the engine and transmission. Electrical tape > would not have solved my problem. It is a good solution to a stock > installation though. It wasn't an issue with my cars whether 4-speed or 5-speed. There is a certain amount of variation between individuals (and these certainly are individuals!), but perhaps your car is experiencing the dreaded bends? David Lieb From 72spridget at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 03:34:15 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> Message-ID: <25D3299B308D4D68A9AF53A63CAEF80A@rwa> > Tomato Pie, it ain't pizza. Now THAT I CAN agree with! David Lieb From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 04:45:29 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:45:29 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Any Holy Sprite Interiopr pictures In-Reply-To: <402188520903190747n31039fd2wa4bacfa4aed9bc0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903190727v6fc398ctbbdc2acde2fc8965@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903190747n31039fd2wa4bacfa4aed9bc0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903210445n2016e1fanae01c114c27d7bbf@mail.gmail.com> After On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: > > Does anyone have a link to pics or just pics of the interior of Holy > Sprite? > > I wanted to show it to my friend at work but I can't find any on: > > > > http://www.starrtech.net/~jimj/Holy_Sprite/Holy_Sprite.html > > Before or after? From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 04:49:22 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? In-Reply-To: <2066BB72-D326-4F2A-B3CE-DD79B727F655@comcast.net> References: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> <2066BB72-D326-4F2A-B3CE-DD79B727F655@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903210449o7d0dbc83oc5dc9ec80b1a846a@mail.gmail.com> Jim, Interesting idea I'll try it. Lin On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jim Proefrock wrote: > Try putting a sheet of black construction paper behind the page you are > scanning. > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > > List,I am setting up a wall chart at school of the A-Series Engine to go >> along with the 948 sitting on the counter of my classroom (from my 58 for >> my >> 62 or giant hall pass for students). My problem is when I scan in images >> the >> image on the other side bleeds through. The worst book was the Hayne's see >> in pict, the Leyland Work Shop manual was a little better with the thicker >> paper stock. Are there any shop manuals for the Spridgets with print on >> one >> side or very thick paper? Or perhaps some sites with better pics & chart >> list of part names? I would like to plot the images on our plotter so I'll >> need quality. If I can get the kids through the new curriculum I'll have >> them draw the parts on our software. BTW the kids are fascinated that >> there >> is an engine in our classroom : ) >> Thanks, >> Lin >> >> >> A-Series Motor >> http://tinyurl.com/d6o5zo >> >> New toy 58 >> http://tinyurl.com/dasc8j >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as proefrock at comcast.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From nases at verizon.net Sat Mar 21 04:56:31 2009 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:56:31 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> Message-ID: <851FCCD4-26F4-40D6-8264-1AEDE63F3230@verizon.net> And your cardiologist will approve. Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Frank wrote: > Larry Daniels wrote: >> >> Us, who know a good Chicago Pizza, vs those right coast pretenders. >> >> > > Deep Dish PIZZA is fine, I have had it. > But nobody beats a good ole TOMATO PIE. > This crust, no grease dripping off it, not alot of cheese. > Tomato Pie, it ain't pizza. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as nases at verizon.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 05:16:45 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:16:45 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Accident bike In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903201557j21116589w87d610eddb471e4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903201557j21116589w87d610eddb471e4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903210516v20897167s5d5c7f9df9c02147@mail.gmail.com> Kirk, Whoa sorry to hear that, I hope you went to a doctor to check on your injuries. My older brother had 3 accidents in his 53 years, and his last one 2 years ago on his shinny new Harley banged him up really badly. After getting discharged from the hospital with oozing skin abrasions he had increasing pain in one of the areas so he went back to the hospital and they found a tiny piece of road asphalt embedded in one of his abrasions. They had to surgically remove it leaving him with a very large hole in his skin as they cut deeply. He had to have a nurse come to his home daily to clean it and prevent infection. He he got his Harley repaired and continues to live to ride but from 3 serious bike accidents he has several vertebrae crushed and I have no idea how he manages because he can not bend over to pick up his keys with out doing it very slowly and gritting his teeth in severe pain. I still ride my bike but I think I love LBC's more than bikes.........probably because they are so damn cute. Get yourself checked out to be sure you have no hidden injuries. Feel better, Linda On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > Riding a Suzuki 1000cc LTD while waiting for my Harley (which was on order) > I came into a pool of transmission fluid while downshifting into a left > turn > lane. It was night, couldn't see the difference in the road.. > > I went over the "high side" (bad way to fall) and the bike and I tumbled > together for a good distance down the road. > > I hit on my chest using my hands to help slow the impact. > > I was totally bruised up and in pain. I realized that day how unforgiving > the road surface is and in the midst of getting back to my feet I swore to > myself I would never ride a bike again. > > A couple motorists asked if they could help me. . . but my embarrassment > and > pride crept in telling them that I was "ok." > > I pulled the bike to the side of the road, regained my composure and rode > home in tremendous pain. > > Gear box fluid on a dark street is something that one might not be able to > see. > > Just my two cents, and this accident no doubt contributed to my last 5.5 > hour back surgery. > > Kirk > 59 BE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tinydog at snet.net Sat Mar 21 05:23:24 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (Jay Fishbein) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] WAS Another Crash - NOW Smart Car Crash Test In-Reply-To: <084997C92BB64113ABBE65DF6E57CFBA@MAIN> Message-ID: <836771.34207.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> tinydog responded: hmmm, solitary confinement with derf and the Captain. Maybe they will have some biscuits for me. As for Jumbo Safety - Here's a link to a Smart Car Crash Test at 60mph http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s --- On Sat, 3/21/09, David Riker wrote: From: David Riker Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Another Crash To: tinydog at snet.net, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:51 AM All new cars sold meet the letter of the standards, but not all achieve 5 star crash ratings, or there would be no reason for a rating scale. At work we have a collision center. I get to see wrecked cars come in every day. 6 months ago there was another Equinox that came in. It had been hit head on by a driver asleep at the wheel traveling at 60 mph. Driver and passenger walked away from that accident too. To actually see these cars, know the story and observe that the passenger compartment is still intact, and the doors still open and close is beyond amazing. Like the oil on the road in the dark story somebody else relayed, some accidents ARE unavoidable. Defensive driving is important, awareness is important, but when the cross street is obstructed by a hedge, and the car comes out from behind that hedge at almost double the legal speed limit, there's no where and no time to get out of the way. My wife says I cranked the wheel in an evasive manuver, I don't remember it, but my thumb ligaments are torn, probably from the steering wheel being ripped out of my hands on impact. My ankle is sore, but didn't hit anything, best I can tell I was trying to jam on the brakes, again, don't remember. Mr "tinydog", if you were my dog, you'd be off to the pound. I don't like most of your comments, and so you are off to my spam filter to join derf and capt bob, and the occasional ad for male enhancement products. I hope you enjoy it there. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Another Crash > tinydog commented: > > You gotta respect any manufacturer that builds a product that meets federally mandated safety standards. > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, David Riker wrote: >> From: davriker at nwi.net >> To: spridgets at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:26:47 -0700 >> Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 05:42:02 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:42:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> Looks great, I did a search to find the price of 5 gal but couldn't find it, how much was 5 gal? I see this is for dipping therefore if I wanted to put my 948 block in it I may need more than 5 gal. Has anyone done an A-Series block with this stuff if so what container did you use and did you need more than the 5 gal? I'm a little concerned about the rinsing with water part is that OK for my block? When I'm done I want to paint the block so I also need to clean the grease do I uses a degreaser first rinse with water then soak with this product and rinse with water towel dry and then pant directly? This is my first motor rebuild so I want to get it right. I am concerned about any water on the cylinder holes in the block do I coat with oil after I dry it? Thanks Lin On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Dean Hedin wrote: > Herb made me curious, so I picked up a bottle of this stuff on the way home > from work. > Autozone carries it. > > It's a little exspensive Herb. The 32oz (~1 liter) bottle is $9 (with a $3 > rebate) Your proposed 5 gallons is going to be pricey. > I had a few reamers from a flea market that were surfaced rusted. > Its a slow proccess but it gets the job done in about 30 min. On tool > steel it seems to convert the rust to a black oxide. Have not tried any > mild steel or cast iron items yet. > > Better than naval jelly for sure. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WFO Herb" > Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. > > > http://www.evapo-rust.com/ >> >> Be sure to watch the video; works as you see it. >> >> Bought a gallon of this last week. Plan on buying a 5 gallon bucket for >> ease-of-use. >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Mar 21 05:49:43 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:49:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The trick to dipping a block is to make a metal box that is just big enough to hold the block. I did this in the 1960's for half of a VW case. Had the box made at a sheet metal shop; HVAC people. Don't leave the block in there too long as carb cleaner, in my situation, etched the case at the fluid line; I filled box to half full and flipped the case around when the lower half was clean. ...bill in oregon ============================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:42 AM To: Dean Hedin Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. Looks great, I did a search to find the price of 5 gal but couldn't find it, how much was 5 gal? I see this is for dipping therefore if I wanted to put my 948 block in it I may need more than 5 gal. Has anyone done an A-Series block with this stuff if so what container did you use and did you need more than the 5 gal? I'm a little concerned about the rinsing with water part is that OK for my block? When I'm done I want to paint the block so I also need to clean the grease do I uses a degreaser first rinse with water then soak with this product and rinse with water towel dry and then pant directly? This is my first motor rebuild so I want to get it right. I am concerned about any water on the cylinder holes in the block do I coat with oil after I dry it? Thanks Lin From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 06:06:51 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:06:51 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> Bill, Why wouldn't I use a plastic container? Also what do you mean by "Don't leave the block in there too long as carb cleaner" is this carburetor cleaner? And how long is too long? Herb how long did you leave items with rubber parts in? Thanks lin On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:49 AM, wrote: > The trick to dipping a block is to make a metal box that is just big enough > to hold the block. I did this in the 1960's for half of a VW case. Had the > box made at a sheet metal shop; HVAC people. Don't leave the block in there > too long as carb cleaner, in my situation, etched the case at the fluid > line; I filled box to half full and flipped the case around when the lower > half was clean. ...bill in oregon > ============================================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:42 AM > To: Dean Hedin > Cc: Spridgets > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. > > Looks great, I did a search to find the price of 5 gal but couldn't find > it, > how much was 5 gal? I see this is for dipping therefore if I wanted to put > my 948 block in it I may need more than 5 gal. Has anyone done an A-Series > block with this stuff if so what container did you use and did you need > more > than the 5 gal? I'm a little concerned about the rinsing with water part is > that OK for my block? When I'm done I want to paint the block so I also > need > to clean the grease do I uses a degreaser first rinse with water then soak > with this product and rinse with water towel dry and then pant directly? > This is my first motor rebuild so I want to get it right. I am concerned > about any water on the cylinder holes in the block do I coat with oil after > I dry it? > > Thanks Lin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Mar 21 06:13:10 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <023B0F32875A438DB25DBFF19352438A@spider> This was 1967 and I was young. If a little time in carb cleaner is good, a long time is better. A few hours in my situation would have done. I left the case half in there overnight. Yes, I sense you could use a plastic container with the Evapo-rust product. .bill _____ From: Linda Grunthaner [mailto:grunthaner at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:07 AM To: corvallis at peoplepc.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. Bill, Why wouldn't I use a plastic container? Also what do you mean by "Don't leave the block in there too long as carb cleaner" is this carburetor cleaner? And how long is too long? Herb how long did you leave items with rubber parts in? Thanks lin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:49 AM, wrote: The trick to dipping a block is to make a metal box that is just big enough to hold the block. I did this in the 1960's for half of a VW case. Had the box made at a sheet metal shop; HVAC people. Don't leave the block in there too long as carb cleaner, in my situation, etched the case at the fluid line; I filled box to half full and flipped the case around when the lower half was clean. ...bill in oregon ============================================================= From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 21 06:24:49 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:24:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] WAS Another Crash - NOW Smart Car Crash Test References: <836771.34207.qm@web180009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Fishbein" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] WAS Another Crash - NOW Smart Car Crash Test tinydog responded: hmmm, solitary confinement with derf and the Captain. Maybe they will have some biscuits for me. ================== Aha! Tinydog is unveiled. Welcome back, Jay. LAD From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 06:25:15 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: <023B0F32875A438DB25DBFF19352438A@spider> References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> <023B0F32875A438DB25DBFF19352438A@spider> Message-ID: <205cef430903210625i5b9caba4u6980a7f86d931e75@mail.gmail.com> Cool I'm going to try some rusty tools first then work my way up to a box of extra sprite parts I have. Does anyone know what materials can be put in? Can I put my extra carbs in if so I'll take them apart but would every part go in? being I think the carb parts are aluminium will they be OK or turn ugly black? What would you guys use after you rinse oil product or polish or clear polyurithane? Thanks Lin On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:13 AM, wrote: > This was 1967 and I was young. If a little time in carb cleaner is good, a > long time is better. A few hours in my situation would have done. I left > the > case half in there overnight. > > Yes, I sense you could use a plastic container with the Evapo-rust product. > .bill > > _____ > > From: Linda Grunthaner [mailto:grunthaner at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:07 AM > To: corvallis at peoplepc.com > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. > > Bill, > > Why wouldn't I use a plastic container? Also what do you mean by "Don't > leave the block in there > too long as carb cleaner" is this carburetor cleaner? And how long is too > long? > > Herb how long did you leave items with rubber parts in? > > Thanks lin > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:49 AM, wrote: > > The trick to dipping a block is to make a metal box that is just big enough > to hold the block. I did this in the 1960's for half of a VW case. Had the > box made at a sheet metal shop; HVAC people. Don't leave the block in there > too long as carb cleaner, in my situation, etched the case at the fluid > line; I filled box to half full and flipped the case around when the lower > half was clean. ...bill in oregon > ============================================================= > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Mar 21 06:31:41 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:31:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: <205cef430903210625i5b9caba4u6980a7f86d931e75@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> <023B0F32875A438DB25DBFF19352438A@spider> <205cef430903210625i5b9caba4u6980a7f86d931e75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F98BF129FC54BF4818101B8F25622E5@spider> Be careful cleaning combinations of different metals. My problem of etching was probably due to the alloy VW cases in a steel container. Plus the carb cleaner had already been used for many carbs. Remember chemistry and the electromotive series? This is where more "chemically active" metals tend to plate out onto less active metals in a fluid environment; the stuff that clouds your antifreeze over time. .bill _____ From: Linda Grunthaner [mailto:grunthaner at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:25 AM To: corvallis at peoplepc.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. Cool I'm going to try some rusty tools first then work my way up to a box of extra sprite parts I have. Does anyone know what materials can be put in? Can I put my extra carbs in if so I'll take them apart but would every part go in? being I think the carb parts are aluminum will they be OK or turn ugly black? What would you guys use after you rinse oil product or polish or clear polyurethane? Thanks Lin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:13 AM, wrote: This was 1967 and I was young. If a little time in carb cleaner is good, a long time is better. A few hours in my situation would have done. I left the case half in there overnight. Yes, I sense you could use a plastic container with the Evapo-rust product. .bill _____ From: Linda Grunthaner [mailto:grunthaner at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:07 AM To: corvallis at peoplepc.com Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. Bill, Why wouldn't I use a plastic container? Also what do you mean by "Don't leave the block in there too long as carb cleaner" is this carburetor cleaner? And how long is too long? Herb how long did you leave items with rubber parts in? Thanks lin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 07:15:34 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:15:34 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SU Needle question Message-ID: <205cef430903210715v1283149n2746d65cd793c7fd@mail.gmail.com> I just got to thinking after looking at this site below on SU Needles (link on lower right) that before start buying lots of stuff for my ill starting & running 1275 I should replace the needles because I used an old one I had and even though they look clean they could be damaged right? Or am I wrong on that? I don't understand if this link refers to Spridgets or big Healeys but it just had me thinking. Lin http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jbcarey/index.html From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Mar 21 07:29:24 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:29:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SU Needle question In-Reply-To: <205cef430903210715v1283149n2746d65cd793c7fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903210715v1283149n2746d65cd793c7fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lots of different SU needles. There can be a letter id stamped on the large end. Also, the needle works in the fuel tube orifice, which can also be worn by previous needles being off-center ...and ages of fuel flow. Some people replace these in matching sets to avoid wear problems that can't be easily seen. There are some very good booklets related to SU's that explain this, and tune up. ...bill =========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:16 AM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] SU Needle question I just got to thinking after looking at this site below on SU Needles (link on lower right) that before start buying lots of stuff for my ill starting & running 1275 I should replace the needles because I used an old one I had and even though they look clean they could be damaged right? Or am I wrong on that? I don't understand if this link refers to Spridgets or big Healeys but it just had me thinking. Lin http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jbcarey/index.html _______________________________________________ From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 08:40:59 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:40:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <851FCCD4-26F4-40D6-8264-1AEDE63F3230@verizon.net> References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> <851FCCD4-26F4-40D6-8264-1AEDE63F3230@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903210840g3c467afdn215803a8b37ae3e5@mail.gmail.com> Love Tomato pie, but my insides don't! Somewhere in my 20s I developed an occasional problem with tomatoes. Sometimes I can get away with it... Other times it takes a whole roll of tums to put out the fire! Now Philly cheese steaks are another story.... They call my name in my sleep! Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Phil Nase wrote: > And your cardiologist will approve. > > > Phil Nase > Quakertown, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ > > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Frank wrote: > > Larry Daniels wrote: >> >>> >>> Us, who know a good Chicago Pizza, vs those right coast pretenders. >>> >>> >>> >> Deep Dish PIZZA is fine, I have had it. >> But nobody beats a good ole TOMATO PIE. >> This crust, no grease dripping off it, not alot of cheese. >> Tomato Pie, it ain't pizza. >> >> -- >> Frank Clarici >> Toms River, NJ >> My own Fleet of Sprites >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as nases at verizon.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 21 10:12:52 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:12:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com><49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net><402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com><49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net><062901c9a9c6$29fc9e50$7df5daf0$@com> Message-ID: <009e01c9aa48$45e6f160$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi David, My experience is that not all Spridgets are created equally!!! It seems there is enough variation available so nearly everyone can be right in regards to various clearance problems. Wonder how the jigs got set up again after every move in the production of these little wonder cars! Later, Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "72 Spridget" <72spridget at gmail.com> To: "S pridgets" Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 5 speed question > >I could reach the drive shaft throught the hole for the shifter can, so I > > did not need tape. My problem was the drive shaft would not slide into > > the > > transmission due to insufficient clearence between the u-joint and the top > > of the tunnel. After it was in place, the u-joint was clear of the tunnel > > in it's more forward postion. That is why it would have been better to > > install the drive shaft with the engine and transmission. Electrical tape > > would not have solved my problem. It is a good solution to a stock > > installation though. > > It wasn't an issue with my cars whether 4-speed or 5-speed. There is a > certain amount of variation between individuals (and these certainly are > individuals!), but perhaps your car is experiencing the dreaded bends? > David Lieb > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tinydog at snet.net Sat Mar 21 09:23:57 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] WAS Another Crash - NOW Smart Car Crash Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <288464.82489.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog responded: Thanks Larry, Alot of listers knew that already. Woof. --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Larry Daniels wrote: From: Larry Daniels Subject: Re: [Spridgets] WAS Another Crash - NOW Smart Car Crash Test To: tinydog at snet.net, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 9:24 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Fishbein" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] WAS Another Crash - NOW Smart Car Crash Test tinydog responded: hmmm, solitary confinement with derf and the Captain. Maybe they will have some biscuits for me. ================== Aha! Tinydog is unveiled. Welcome back, Jay. LAD From grunthaner at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 09:49:04 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry> References: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry> Message-ID: <205cef430903210949i6a47f364lf40060a287ee8bbc@mail.gmail.com> Larry did you see the other link on the new Nissan Cube? I don't recall ever seeing a non symmetrical car before this one. I don't necessarily like the look I'm a bit uncomfortable without the symmetry sort of like driving behind a car that has a bent frame and I can see the side of their car from behind. But I really like the idea of no blind spots for the driver : ) http://www.autofiends.com/index.php/2009/03/2009-nissan-cube-the-tech-beneath-the-style/ Lin On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: > http://www.autofiends.com/index.php/2008/10/video-targa-newfoundland-2008/ > > Here's a vid of the Targa Newfoundland. > > As you will see, there are drivers of, uh, varying abilities. > > I think Ron and Jeff will have a ball. > > > LAD > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From wmgilroy at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 10:03:27 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> Message-ID: <49C51DDF.2040502@gmail.com> From pilotrob at msn.com Sat Mar 21 10:29:30 2009 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:29:30 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59 Bugeye Message-ID: Red?? CapBob -----Original Message----- From: mike53fun Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:33 PM To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com Subject: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59 Bugeye Do you know if the original color of the fan blades on a 59 bugeye were black or yellow? From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Mar 21 10:47:14 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie In-Reply-To: <205cef430903210949i6a47f364lf40060a287ee8bbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry>, <205cef430903210949i6a47f364lf40060a287ee8bbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C4C5B2.23789.C0F9BD@kk7ss.verizon.net> I wonder what happens to the right rear passenger in the event of a roll-over ??? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From jimndi at frontiernet.net Sat Mar 21 11:24:59 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye References: Message-ID: Ive got an original 948 fir a 60 BE and the fan is a 2 piece red one. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Shlafer" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye > Red?? > > CapBob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike53fun > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:33 PM > To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59 Bugeye > > Do you know if the original color of the fan blades on a 59 bugeye were > black > or yellow? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.22/2015 - Release Date: 03/20/09 19:01:00 From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 21 13:09:15 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:09:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Another Crash In-Reply-To: <1237520313.6284.89.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <> Make sure you check out Victory, Mike. I have a buddy whose son is a high level Eng. for them and Fred got one that his son "tweaked"!! Son even send the chip back to Japan for reprogramming to son's specs and that is faster than even John wants!!! Son got him some 'Victory' chrome pieces that are NOT optional anywhere!!! It is really one sharp ride!!! Fred rode it to Sturgis (2 days each way) and said it was the most comfortable ride he had ever had & NOT tired !!! Drop me a note please. From derf247 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 12:17:04 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:17:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Was Crash, Now Mr. Riker. Message-ID: <5f00d9910903211217i1bb89e52hfa3768c7975d9160@mail.gmail.com> > Mr "tinydog", if you were my dog, you'd be off to the pound. I don't like > most of your comments, and so you are off to my spam filter to join derf and > capt bob, and the occasional ad for male enhancement products. I hope you > enjoy it there. > > David R. Some people can't take a joke. Others are just jackasses. A man might discretely get tired of another and add him to the spam list, but it takes a real jerk to brag about it like that. From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 21 13:18:53 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:18:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Motorhead 101 - Morris Monor on eBay Message-ID: Glen, this would be GREAT for the Wife !!!! Methinks it would need a paint job tho!! -----Original Message----- From: Rick Feibusch Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:13 AM submitted by Spridgeteer Vigil of Fountain Valley, CA: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230330973475 From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 21 13:27:17 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:27:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> As it should be, Jim. You get my private note?? Ed From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sat Mar 21 14:01:35 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Deal of the Day Message-ID: First person to answer this email will get a brand new Lockheed 1275 clutch master cylinder for 10 bucks plus shipping. Just found it rumaging around in the garage and I don't need it. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 From rbastedo at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 14:17:17 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today Message-ID: A very original example, I can use this to see what's incorrect about my other 64 Spridget. There are a lot of great parts on the car, things I need for my MK II Sprite and things I can sell to keep other little cars on the road. This car has the 10CG engine and a ribcase transmission. BillM tells me my Sprite has a 948 Bugeye engine and smoothcase, and that's not correct so the 10CG (if it's good, and it does turn over and has some compression) will go in the Sprite and the 948 with smoothcase will eventually go to someone else. The seats will get new foam & covers and go in the Sprite, the windshield will go on the Sprite and those NOS sidecurtains will also go on the Sprite. BillM tells me the hard top that came with this car is for Bugeye's only. It's in good shape, needs all the rubber seals of course and could use some paint. It only weighs about 15 pounds!! Bill thinks maybe it's a racing top because it's so light. I need to sell the hardtop - I'm way over budget now and it's going to catch up with me if I don't sell some stuff. I can use the chrome stuff from this car on my 78 Midget that's converted to CB. Also the trunk lid will be nice on that car. If the bonnet is the nicest of the three I've got I'll get it painted and put it on the Sprite. Here are some pictures of the latest member of the Spridgets at Bastedo Lane: http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/front01sm.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/back01.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/interior01.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/interior02.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/sidecurtains.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top01.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top02.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top03.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top04.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top05.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top06.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top07.jpg http://www.bastedo.net/64Midget/top08.jpg Rick (they're multiplying like rabbits) Bastedo From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 21 14:27:19 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie References: <917132.86833.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0F1AA7BCBD544182A282F6E17F5D5CA4@Larry> <205cef430903210949i6a47f364lf40060a287ee8bbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A48F4AEB6C8464FA90B310F4F81B9F2@Larry> Ugly little critter, ain't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Grunthaner To: Larry Daniels Cc: soavero at yahoo.com ; Spridgets Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] La Carrera NOW Targa Newfie Larry did you see the other link on the new Nissan Cube? I don't recall ever seeing a non symmetrical car before this one. I don't necessarily like the look I'm a bit uncomfortable without the symmetry sort of like driving behind a car that has a bent frame and I can see the side of their car from behind. But I really like the idea of no blind spots for the driver : ) http://www.autofiends.com/index.php/2009/03/2009-nissan-cube-the-tech-beneath -the-style/ Lin On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: http://www.autofiends.com/index.php/2008/10/video-targa-newfoundland-2008/ Here's a vid of the Targa Newfoundland. As you will see, there are drivers of, uh, varying abilities. I think Ron and Jeff will have a ball. LAD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 14:27:57 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Bit of help on seat mounting please... Message-ID: <722357.86285.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Down to the final stretch here with roll bar, seat belts and now finally the seats, but ran into a bit of a snag... Which side of the seat does the release handle go on that allows fore and aft seat travel? Inside or Outside? I know which seat goes where because the seatback adjusters go to the middle, but can't remember which side the other bits go on. If it makes a difference, mine is a '71 and has the correct (though not original) seats in it. Thanks, - David From derf247 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 14:33:45 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:33:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910903211433q6a7e2563wc637b4cb4c7dbd69@mail.gmail.com> Score! I like the clear turn signal lenses. From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 14:34:31 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today Message-ID: <607014.90418.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice find! Looks like lots of great parts, if not a basis for a restoration for somebody else. Floors are a bit lacking, though.... David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sat Mar 21 14:37:58 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Deal of the Day Winner Message-ID: The slave cylinder has been spoken for. Thanks for playing. Mike From healeyrick at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 15:29:55 2009 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (Rick Neville) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for a Spridgexpert Message-ID: <791042.52687.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Guy in Huntsville is willing to pay for some Bugeye mechanical help: http://huntsville.craigslist.org/lbg/1066818293.html From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 16:19:28 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for a Spridgexpert In-Reply-To: <791042.52687.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <791042.52687.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903211619g1b0537dcu2124bf8d3974987@mail.gmail.com> I see trouble here.... No matter what the rest of us would charge, Frank will easily undercut us based on labor time alone!! Cheers!! Jim 2009/3/21 Rick Neville > Guy in Huntsville is willing to pay for some Bugeye mechanical help: > http://huntsville.craigslist.org/lbg/1066818293.html > ______________________________________________ From pilotrob at msn.com Sat Mar 21 16:34:33 2009 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:34:33 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye Message-ID: Jim F. states, in part...."I've got an original 948....2 piece red." You know, that's funny, Jim. Pa Asgeirsson was kind enough to look it up in Horlers and they state the Sprite fans were originally yellow...though I could swear the one on the original '58 Frog I had back in high school was also (2 piece) red. Course, I'm 66 now so that was a loooooong time ago. I very well could be "mis-remembering"! :) CapBob From andrewpayne at intrex.net Sat Mar 21 16:52:59 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:52:59 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Taking the car apart Message-ID: I am finally ready to start work on the 76. I really wanted to have most things lined up before taking him apart, perhaps time being the most important. Tools are in cabinets a new fluorescent bank is above the car. OK, I still only have one quality outlet, and it is 25 feet from the car, but oh well. So, I need some advice, I will be putting in new floors and sills. I know I need to take of the stuff off or out to roll it on its side. I assume the doors should stay on for strength and alignment, if so, what about the windshield, < lights and handles? Not trying to be lazy, but I have little to no idea what Im doing. Also, the man(and MG owner) at the local parts shop told me to use a razor blade to strip the many layers of paint from the car, has anyone used this technique? Lastly, my hood(bonnet) is a bit warped from the prop, are there any tricks to bending it back? I will be buying the above parts, plus several patches, and probably cutting out some square arches, if anyone has spares, let me know. Im in the mountains of NC. Thanks, Drew From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 17:10:44 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:10:44 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today References: Message-ID: <18E95413CA5F414EA9319DEA89FF833F@blackbox2> Are we sure that hardtop is for a bugeye? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bastedo" Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > BillM tells me the hard top that came with this car is for Bugeye's only. > It's in good shape, needs all the rubber seals of course and could use some > paint. It only weighs about 15 pounds!! Bill thinks maybe it's a racing top > because it's so light. > > I need to sell the hardtop - I'm way over budget now and it's going to catch > up with me if I don't sell some stuff. From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Mar 21 17:12:39 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:12:39 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] : [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C52007.31991.221D88E@kk7ss.verizon.net> Consarn Whippersnapper !! On 21 Mar 2009 at 23:34, Robert E. Shlafer wrote: >> Course, I'm 66 now so that was a loooooong time ago. I very well could >> be "mis-remembering"! :) -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Mar 21 17:24:57 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19110139239.20090321172457@pacifier.com> Hello Rick, Bill M knows more about these cars than I can ever hope to know, but I was under the impression that the tops and side curtains for the BE also fit the MK II Sprite/MK I Midget... Anybody else have either an opinion for the facts? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com Love thy neighbor, but make sure her husband is away first! From billmasq at hotmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:04:00 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:04:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today In-Reply-To: <18E95413CA5F414EA9319DEA89FF833F@blackbox2> References: <18E95413CA5F414EA9319DEA89FF833F@blackbox2> Message-ID: The reason that I say that it is for a Bugeye is that it is very short (front to back) and on the '64 car you can see about 1/4" of cockpit showing outside in the rear corners. If there was VERY wide rubber gasket put under the hardtop then it would fit the '64. Bill > From: dlh2001 at comcast.net > To: rbastedo at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:10:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > Are we sure that hardtop is for a bugeye? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Bastedo" > Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > > > BillM tells me the hard top that came with this car is for Bugeye's only. > > It's in good shape, needs all the rubber seals of course and could use some > > paint. It only weighs about 15 pounds!! Bill thinks maybe it's a racing top > > because it's so light. > > > > I need to sell the hardtop - I'm way over budget now and it's going to catch > > up with me if I don't sell some stuff. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Mar 21 20:44:27 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:44:27 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Weird LBC behaviour (aka Spitting carb) Message-ID: <49C551AB.7131.2E3C0FC@kk7ss.verizon.net> Unless I've gone into La-La-Land and I am hallucinating (Honest, Officer, I don't use the stuff!!!)... With or without the 1" stub stacks, and with or without K&N filters fitted, the front carb spits back starting at approx 2,800rpm, lots of pressure in the rocker cover and blue haze coming out the oil filler area.. losing oil out the rear main when this happens... BUT--- with the OEM canister filter boxes, paper elements and no stub stackss, it seems to run fine but I have to back off the front idle screw.. Timing is spot on - 7 BTDC, valve lash set at 12 thou, dual point Mallory points gap set correctly. Mixture set by lifting the dashpot (per the book!)... Spring loaded needle biased in the right direction... Just a bit of a lumpy idle... Any idea what I'm missing here or something that I'm forgetting to check? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From bkitterer at me.com Sat Mar 21 22:36:03 2009 From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:36:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Taking the car apart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Drew, Do not forget to have and use a camera every step of the way. There is always at least one item that you will not remember exactly how it was before you took it apart - photos help get over that obstacle. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 21, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Payne wrote: > I am finally ready to start work on the 76. I really wanted to > have most > things lined up before taking him apart, perhaps time being the most > important. Tools are in cabinets a new fluorescent bank is above > the car. > OK, I still only have one quality outlet, and it is 25 feet from > the car, > but oh well. So, I need some advice, I will be putting in new > floors and > sills. I know I need to take of the stuff off or out to roll it on > its > side. I assume the doors should stay on for strength and alignment, > if so, > what about the windshield, < lights and handles? Not trying to be > lazy, > but I have little to no idea what Im doing. Also, the man(and MG > owner) at > the local parts shop told me to use a razor blade to strip the many > layers > of paint from the car, has anyone used this technique? Lastly, my > hood(bonnet) is a bit warped from the prop, are there any tricks > to bending > it back? > > > > I will be buying the above parts, plus several patches, and > probably cutting > out some square arches, if anyone has spares, let me know. Im in the > mountains of NC. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Drew > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 03:30:52 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:30:52 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye Message-ID: Horler's book is good but not perfect and not 100% accurate as the photo on page of an 'original car' on page 86 reveals. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 21/03/2009 23:35:04 GMT Standard Time, pilotrob at msn.com writes: Pa Asgeirsson was kind enough to look it up in Horlers and they state the Sprite fans were originally yellow... From wsthompson at thicko.com Sun Mar 22 03:40:47 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:40:47 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Day 1 Message-ID: <001d01c9aada$abaf13a0$030d3ae0$@com> Whew!. Yes, it's well before the butt crack of dawn, but since I was unconscious by 9 last night, I'm OK. Yesterday was a great success. We accomplished a lot. A large crew shuffled motors etc. out of the big shop over to the cold side and really made a dent in organizing that with Charley going through boxes all day long. Another crew organized & swept the big shop. We managed to get the 633 up and running and driving, thanks to Chris, and the LandCruiser FJ40 running thanks to Dave. Dave, Neal, and Larry brought a lot of food & beer. Those who survived day 1 include. Neal Anderson Dave Lieb Charley Braum Don Thompson Nate Thompson Larry Daniels Scott Spranger Jim Fletcher Ron Soave Terry Heffron Chris Manuel Also, thanks to Les Ewing an Geo. Maffett for their $ contribution that bought propane and kept us comfortable in the early hours. I'm sure I forgot someone in the list above. About half the crew will be back today along with new recruits. I have very good friends. Thank you one and all. WST From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 05:28:11 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Day 1 Message-ID: <493482.72614.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Wm. Severin Thompson wrote: > crew organized & swept the big shop. We managed to get > the 633 up and > running and driving, thanks to Chris, and the LandCruiser > FJ40 running > thanks to Dave. Dave, Neal, and Larry brought a lot of food What was the Bimmer issue? I had to bolt early , but I got to the airport on time and in a change of clothes. We all enjoyed ourselves. Let's do it again next month whether you need it or not. Ron From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 06:13:59 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust Message-ID: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Anyone tried this stuff yet? http://www.evapo-rust.com/ >From the description, it sounds like it might be good on cereal, too. 8^) (Just joshing--don't you literal types go trying it now!) -David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 06:59:08 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Taking the car apart* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <285234100.5192081237730348385.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To make working on the floor and rocker panels, and other underneath parts, easier, you can build this easy rollover frame. Go to: http://ado13.com/flip/flipper.html Easy to build and well worth the little time it takes to do so. --David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Payne" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:52:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Spridgets] Taking the car apart I am finally ready to start work on the 76. I really wanted to have most things lined up before taking him apart, perhaps time being the most important. Tools are in cabinets a new fluorescent bank is above the car. OK, I still only have one quality outlet, and it is 25 feet from the car, but oh well. So, I need some advice, I will be putting in new floors and sills. I know I need to take of the stuff off or out to roll it on its side. I assume the doors should stay on for strength and alignment, if so, what about the windshield, < lights and handles? Not trying to be lazy, but I have little to no idea what Im doing. Also, the man(and MG owner) at the local parts shop told me to use a razor blade to strip the many layers of paint from the car, has anyone used this technique? Lastly, my hood(bonnet) is a bit warped from the prop, are there any tricks to bending it back? I will be buying the above parts, plus several patches, and probably cutting out some square arches, if anyone has spares, let me know. Im in the mountains of NC. Thanks, Drew _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Mar 22 07:13:28 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:13:28 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: > Anyone tried this stuff yet? Anyone needing serious rust-busting should look into electrolysis. It simply works. All you need is a battery charger, some washing soda, and some scrap metal and misc. wires. I have had big success using a spackling bucket. A paint tarp or garbage can will work for larger items. Since the soda costs maybe $2 a box and the solution (1 T/gal) can be used until it gets so repulsive you can't stand it any more, there is no problem with cost of supplies. Google for information. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Bugeye in contract Long Island, NY From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 07:17:12 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! Message-ID: <4DFAB5E5-95C2-4B5E-B767-01D0604556A3@comcast.net> Yup, my wife, after 20 years driving the "mommie van" got a new car, a Miata GT with the folding hardtop. When looking for cars, we went to the dealer that handles Porsche, Audi, Mazda, her firs words were, "It's smiling at me!" I muttered something about the Bugeye and so did she.. anyway any info, help, places to get go faster bits.. oh yea,... > > > .. it's an automatic.. Lester From wsthompson at thicko.com Sun Mar 22 07:28:30 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:28:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS Foundervision camera Message-ID: <004901c9aafa$7aac54f0$7004fed0$@com> Is online From andrewpayne at intrex.net Sun Mar 22 07:31:34 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:31:34 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! Message-ID: <200903221431.n2MEVUTh025104@txslsmtp2.vzwmail.net> Lester I wish I had not scrolled down;) Try miata.net and flyinmiata also look for Keith Tanner on google. He is with FM, but does many go fast miata projects. He competed in this years targa newfoundland. Don't ignore the wealth of info found in the MX-5 Cup racing communitee. Drew -----Original Message----- From: Lester Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:17 AM To: bugeye at yahoogroups.com; spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! Yup, my wife, after 20 years driving the "mommie van" got a new car, a Miata GT with the folding hardtop. When looking for cars, we went to the dealer that handles Porsche, Audi, Mazda, her firs words were, "It's smiling at me!" I muttered something about the Bugeye and so did she.. anyway any info, help, places to get go faster bits.. oh yea,... > > > .. it's an automatic.. Lester You are subscribed as andrewpayne at intrex.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets [The entire original message is not included] From wsthompson at thicko.com Sun Mar 22 07:40:25 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS Foundervision camera In-Reply-To: <004901c9aafa$7aac54f0$7004fed0$@com> References: <004901c9aafa$7aac54f0$7004fed0$@com> Message-ID: <005401c9aafc$2515b570$6f412050$@com> You need Yahoo messenger. Add to your friends list. You'll be invited to the conference. Then you can view the webcam. If you have headphones & mic you can hear us and speak with us. > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wm. Severin Thompson > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:28 AM > To: 'Spridgets'; 'Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net'; 'Healey list Forum' > Subject: [Spridgets] SOS Foundervision camera > > Is online From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Mar 22 08:18:04 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:18:04 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Taking the car apart* Message-ID: <325E7933380B4981A0BE76F50FDAF013@Home> >> you can build this easy rollover frame. Classic Motorsports used four 2x4's as legs, http://classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1971-mg-midget/updates/2/. If you have occassional use of imported muscle, this is a really easy solution. Anyone figure out what they are bolting to behind the door besides the soft top mounting holes? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Bugeye in contract Long Island, NY From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 08:27:06 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! Message-ID: <601355.44935.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sold mine a few years ago, but THE go-to place at the time was Miata.net - it had about anything you could want like forums, parts for sale, parts wanted, suppliers, recommendations, articles, Miata of the month, etc. Everything from stuff for the all-out racer to stuff for the shiny little "cute car" crowd. (sources for both the Hard Dog rollbars to the stupid little chrome mouse-trap bars) David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From rbastedo at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 08:40:37 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:40:37 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 64 Midget parts requests Message-ID: Please send me an email with the parts you are interested in buying. I'm compiling a list, if you have a part in mind and what you think it's worth to you that's even better. I'm terrible at valuation, I either go way high or way low. Not trying to be stinky or sly or anything, that's just the truth. BTW - I turned 50 today. WooHoo!! For my birthday my niece backed into my 78 Midget. Seems to have only put out a headlight, but I have to look at it a bit more closely. If I had that nerf bar from the Mk1 on it then she would have tapped it and stopped. So I need to go out and do some work on that this morning. Rick (parts is parts) Bastedo On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:33 PM, derf wrote: > Score! I like the clear turn signal lenses. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 08:49:54 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:49:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! In-Reply-To: <4DFAB5E5-95C2-4B5E-B767-01D0604556A3@comcast.net> References: <4DFAB5E5-95C2-4B5E-B767-01D0604556A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903220849x25cb0ef6wb419fbe2d47c2566@mail.gmail.com> There is a pretty good list, like the spridget list, called miatapower.net http://miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower/ The aforementioned Keith Tanner, Bill Cardell (owner of Flyin Miata), Stephanie with Corky Bell's outfit, and many other fine people all contribute. Keith T is like the Frank C of Miatas, simply amazing guy. Too bad you got an auto, it just isn't quite the same. But, still great cars. If you get the fever I know a guy who is selling his 91 for $1500. He'll throw in a turbo kit for $400. Add engine management and you'll have a street machine or autox performer for under $2500. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 22 08:57:13 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Is this any different from the useless crap that Eastwood sells? From pilotrob at webtv.net Sun Mar 22 09:45:16 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:45:16 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent Message-ID: When it comes to venting the Series A, the more than merrier. That 1/8" "orifice" tip on emissions valve cover was originally for crankcase inlet air off a carbon canister. Clip off the end and you've a 1/2" crankcase vent line for a little easier crankcase breathing overboard or to your carb filters. Your routing to the "emission" carbs from the timing cover flame arrestor is as it should be, however.... most 1275 blocks (except the '67 "thin flange" types) have a plate over the original crankcase mechanical fuel pump port. This is a 1" "vent", because of it's size REALLY relieves crankcase pressures IMMENSELY. Additionally, you'll get far less crankcase vapor through the flame arrestor running through the carbs and into the combustion process once this port is opened as well. Simply fabricate a fitting and attach a 1" tube/hose or whatever. It can go overboard through a mini filter (the crankcase "breathes" both ways) or into a proprietary catch can or one you can make up from a windshield washer bottle, coke can, etc. Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From pilotrob at webtv.net Sun Mar 22 09:48:29 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:48:29 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] RE: PerTronix Message-ID: '04 should be a late one, Dean. But who knows how long the part may have been on the shelf? PerTronix "2" offers variable or adaptive dwell. Nice when one is as electrically as talented as you, Dean. Saves a lot of bucks!!! :) Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 10:07:20 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! In-Reply-To: <4DFAB5E5-95C2-4B5E-B767-01D0604556A3@comcast.net> References: <4DFAB5E5-95C2-4B5E-B767-01D0604556A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221007h506c9eb4y9e012d8eb1c6c8c0@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Lester wrote: Miata owners unite!!Or as the dyslexic Miata owner wrote: *Miata Snower Untie! *-- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Sun Mar 22 23:10:09 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:10:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006901c9ab7e$062cd440$f675fea9@p0k7l8> I use it routinely. Makes stuff look like new! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust > > Anyone tried this stuff yet? > > Anyone needing serious rust-busting should look into electrolysis. It > simply works. All you need is a battery charger, some washing soda, and > some scrap metal and misc. wires. I have had big success using a spackling > bucket. A paint tarp or garbage can will work for larger items. Since the > soda costs maybe $2 a box and the solution (1 T/gal) can be used until it > gets so repulsive you can't stand it any more, there is no problem with cost > of supplies. Google for information. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Bugeye in contract > Long Island, NY > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 10:11:57 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:11:57 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > (1 T/gal) I flunked Measurement 101. What the heck is a "T"? A Ton of washing soda won't all dissolve in a gallon of water. I tried. -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Mar 22 10:22:18 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C2D5C2ACE84141AD3D5AE3C773CF8A@spider> I know, I know!! Probably a Tablespoon full. ...bill in oregon =============================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:12 AM To: Michael Rowe; spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > (1 T/gal) I flunked Measurement 101. What the heck is a "T"? A Ton of washing soda won't all dissolve in a gallon of water. I tried. -- Cheers!! Jim From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 10:23:15 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:23:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A capital T means a tablespoon. A small t is teaspoon. 3 small t's make on large T I took a cooking class in high school, so I would be able to eat in the middle of the morning.... On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Jim Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Michael Rowe > wrote: > > > (1 T/gal) > > > I flunked Measurement 101. What the heck is a "T"? A Ton of washing soda > won't all dissolve in a gallon of water. I tried. > -- > Cheers!! > Jim > "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough > to take everything you have." - Gerald Ford > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From rbastedo at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 10:29:36 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:29:36 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget Message-ID: She was over at our house last night, I came home and parked about 8 feet behind her. When she left she backed up into the front of my brown Midget. It was dark, I told her I would take a closer look at it in the morning. She said: "I didn't know it was back there" I said: didn't you see my car when you came out and got into your car? She said "it wasn't here when I parked here" No kidding. Yes she is that young, no she isn't blond. I guess I'll tell her that I have spare fenders and she will have to buy whatever has to be bought and at least get the replacement fenders primered. At that age she probably doesn't want to get her insurance involved, cheaper for her to just pay the repair. Both front fenders are crumpled in a bit and both headlight rings are dented, one halogen headlight broken. Kids... From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 10:36:17 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com> I'm also kitchen challenged. I always thought tablespoon was Tbsp. and teaspoon was Tsp. I have the Midget mostly apart now and I think I will clean a bunch of stuff using electrolysis and then get it all powder coated. Nearest powder coat guy is 50 miles east of me though so I'll wait till I get it all cleaned and haul a big load over to him. You guys have been a veritable gold mine of good info today!! Thanks!! Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Brad Fornal wrote: > A capital T means a tablespoon. A small t is teaspoon. 3 small t's make on > large T > I took a cooking class in high school, so I would be able to eat in the > middle of the morning.... > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Jim Johnson wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Michael Rowe >> wrote: >> >> > (1 T/gal) >> >> >> I flunked Measurement 101. What the heck is a "T"? A Ton of washing soda >> won't all dissolve in a gallon of water. I tried. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 10:41:43 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:41:43 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent Message-ID: Actually most DON'T have a plate over the crankcase mechanical fuel pump port but only the early blocks CC and the last blocks 12V. All the CD and CE blocks are solid casting though this can be drilled out and tapped for studs for the plate. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 22/03/2009 16:45:46 GMT Standard Time, pilotrob at webtv.net writes: most 1275 blocks (except the '67 "thin flange" types) have a plate over the original crankcase mechanical fuel pump port. From abcoz at hky.com Sun Mar 22 11:09:49 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:09:49 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59A9DC34A3A642E9B78ADF42F2DDCD10@OwnerPC> It's "generation clueless". These kids just won't do anything that is not convenient for them......in this case, making SURE there is nothing behind their car before they back up. Most of them just don't get it. Went through the same thing with my youngest son. Although acknowledging that it was probably his fault, his mitigating statement was that he'd checked all his rear view mirrors first. I explained that, since it was dark and he was driving a comparatively large vehicle (VW Vanagon), it was his responsibility to walk back and look behind, before he got in and backed up. He admitted that, "yeah, that's a good plan, Dad". That was the last time he bent anything with that Vanagon and my insurance didn't go up as a result (there was about $900 in damage to the other car, which belonged to a good friend of his), so, I guess I got away cheaply. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bastedo" To: Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget > She was over at our house last night, I came home and parked about 8 feet > behind her. > When she left she backed up into the front of my brown Midget. > It was dark, I told her I would take a closer look at it in the morning. > > She said: "I didn't know it was back there" > I said: didn't you see my car when you came out and got into your car? > She said "it wasn't here when I parked here" > > No kidding. Yes she is that young, no she isn't blond. > > I guess I'll tell her that I have spare fenders and she will have to buy > whatever has to be bought and at least get the replacement fenders > primered. > At that age she probably doesn't want to get her insurance involved, > cheaper > for her to just pay the repair. > Both front fenders are crumpled in a bit and both headlight rings are > dented, one halogen headlight broken. > > Kids... From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 22 11:12:24 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:12:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <006901c9ab7e$062cd440$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: > I use it routinely. Makes stuff look like new! Will a 400 gal. vat fit a Sprite? From kgb at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 22 11:14:06 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:14:06 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C67FEE.7040408@frontiernet.net> You probably had a mother like mine. A handful of this, two shakes of that, and a scoop of something else, and it all turned out good. Kate Jim Johnson wrote: > I'm also kitchen challenged. I always thought tablespoon was Tbsp. and > teaspoon was Tsp. From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sun Mar 22 11:18:22 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My 1275 is vented at the fuel pump boss with a (1/2 inch) brass fitting and heater tubing to a small round filter. This K&N style little filter is just tied to the left inner fender and sticks up above it a little. You can tell it is working because I am constantly wiping a film of oil off the inner fender down to the wiper motor wiring harness. Is there a better way to vent this so I can keep the engine bay a little cleaner. Oil over the bottom of the car is one thing and natural for these cars, but it just doesn't make a good impression at car shows. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wrote: > Actually most DON'T have a plate over the crankcase mechanical fuel pump > port but only the early blocks CC and the last blocks 12V. All the CD and > CE > blocks are solid casting though this can be drilled out and tapped for > studs > for the plate. > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > > In a message dated 22/03/2009 16:45:46 GMT Standard Time, > pilotrob at webtv.net > writes: > > most 1275 blocks (except the '67 "thin flange" types) have a plate over > the > original crankcase mechanical fuel pump port. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 11:20:20 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <49C67FEE.7040408@frontiernet.net> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com> <49C67FEE.7040408@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221120r75f66b11l983e96198d67b188@mail.gmail.com> Actually, Mom used all the measures and recipes but she had 5 daughters to teach so we 3 boys never got much chance in the kitchen! I learned to enjoy cooking when I lived on my own for a few years between marriages but I'd be lost without a recipe and measures. Carolyn, on the other hand, grew up cooking for harvest crews as her Dad was a custom harvester. She cooks much as your mother did! -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Kathryn Bales wrote: > You probably had a mother like mine. A handful of this, two shakes of > that, and a scoop of something else, and it all turned out good. > > Kate > > Jim Johnson wrote: > >> I'm also kitchen challenged. I always thought tablespoon was Tbsp. and >> teaspoon was Tsp. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 11:23:44 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:23:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221123p3b9e9ff2s16cc3523468e0591@mail.gmail.com> Mike, I have the same set-up and the same symptoms. My solution is to stop showing the car ;-) Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com < rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote: > My 1275 is vented at the fuel pump boss with a (1/2 inch) brass fitting and > heater tubing to a small round filter. This K&N style little filter is > just > tied to the left inner fender and sticks up above it a little. You can > tell > it is working because I am constantly wiping a film of oil off the inner > fender down to the wiper motor wiring harness. Is there a better way to > vent this so I can keep the engine bay a little cleaner. Oil over the > bottom of the car is one thing and natural for these cars, but it just > doesn't make a good impression at car shows. > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wrote: > > > Actually most DON'T have a plate over the crankcase mechanical fuel pump > > port but only the early blocks CC and the last blocks 12V. All the CD > and > > CE > > blocks are solid casting though this can be drilled out and tapped for > > studs > > for the plate. > > > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > > > > > In a message dated 22/03/2009 16:45:46 GMT Standard Time, > > pilotrob at webtv.net > > writes: > > > > most 1275 blocks (except the '67 "thin flange" types) have a plate over > > the > > original crankcase mechanical fuel pump port. From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Mar 22 11:35:45 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:35:45 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: <59A9DC34A3A642E9B78ADF42F2DDCD10@OwnerPC> References: <59A9DC34A3A642E9B78ADF42F2DDCD10@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Have to admit that I did that back about 1958; I was 16 ...or was it 17?? Walked out to the street and backed my mom's 55 Chevy into a smaller Corvair. I walked back towards my home as my father was walking out with his checkbook. I don't remember saying anything. I mean, what are you gonna say? ...bill in oregon ============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:10 AM To: rbastedo at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget It's "generation clueless". These kids just won't do anything that is not convenient for them......in this case, making SURE there is nothing behind their car before they back up. Most of them just don't get it. Went through the same thing with my youngest son. Although acknowledging that it was probably his fault, his mitigating statement was that he'd checked all his rear view mirrors first. I explained that, since it was dark and he was driving a comparatively large vehicle (VW Vanagon), it was his responsibility to walk back and look behind, before he got in and backed up. He admitted that, "yeah, that's a good plan, Dad". That was the last time he bent anything with that Vanagon and my insurance didn't go up as a result (there was about $900 in damage to the other car, which belonged to a good friend of his), so, I guess I got away cheaply. Bud Osbourne From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Mar 22 11:36:34 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:36:34 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: References: <006901c9ab7e$062cd440$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: Yes, but raise the top. ...bill =================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:12 AM To: Paul Asgeirsson; Michael Rowe; Spridget Chat Group Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust > I use it routinely. Makes stuff look like new! Will a 400 gal. vat fit a Sprite? _______________________________________________ From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sun Mar 22 11:38:54 2009 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903221120r75f66b11l983e96198d67b188@mail.gmail.com> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com><43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com><49C67FEE.7040408@frontiernet.net> <43840a7e0903221120r75f66b11l983e96198d67b188@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ...and a timer. ..bill ================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:20 AM To: Kathryn Bales Cc: spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust Actually, Mom used all the measures and recipes but she had 5 daughters to teach so we 3 boys never got much chance in the kitchen! I learned to enjoy cooking when I lived on my own for a few years between marriages but I'd be lost without a recipe and measures. Carolyn, on the other hand, grew up cooking for harvest crews as her Dad was a custom harvester. She cooks much as your mother did! -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 11:44:47 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:44:47 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com> <49C67FEE.7040408@frontiernet.net> <43840a7e0903221120r75f66b11l983e96198d67b188@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221144wa4db2c6q376915e9f8fc7a57@mail.gmail.com> Bill, There were 8 kids. The only timer she could afford was one of those little hour glass egg timers! Other than that, she used the clock on the kitchen wall. We were so poor we couldn't even afford to pay attention!! Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:38 PM, wrote: > ...and a timer. ..bill > ================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:20 AM > To: Kathryn Bales > Cc: spridget list > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust > > Actually, Mom used all the measures and recipes but she had 5 daughters to > teach so we 3 boys never got much chance in the kitchen! I learned to > enjoy > cooking when I lived on my own for a few years between marriages but I'd be > lost without a recipe and measures. > > Carolyn, on the other hand, grew up cooking for harvest crews as her Dad > was > a custom harvester. She cooks much as your mother did! > -- From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Mar 22 11:56:14 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Poor....! In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903221144wa4db2c6q376915e9f8fc7a57@mail.gmail.com> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com> <49C67FEE.7040408@frontiernet.net> <43840a7e0903221120r75f66b11l983e96198d67b188@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903221144wa4db2c6q376915e9f8fc7a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466047704.20090322115614@pacifier.com> Hello Jim, We were so poor all I ever got for Christmas was a stick. Year after year is was the same stick. ... one year they told me it was a spear. one year they tied a string to both ends and told me it was a bow, but i couln't afford the arrows. one year is was a baseball bat. one year it was an army rifle. one year is was a walking stick. one year they tied a rock to the end and told me it was a golf club. one year is was a pool cue. Of course we didn't have the balls or table. one year it was a do-it-yourself whistle. I couldn't get the bark to slide off to actually make one. one year is was a riding crop. ... of course, no horse, but i got to use the broom as one. man i loved that stick. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" This cookie is void where prohibited, licensed, or taxed. From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 23 01:01:27 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:01:27 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust References: Message-ID: <00c201c9ab8d$929beb00$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Only if you can get through the fill hole!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: "Paul Asgeirsson" ; "Michael Rowe" ; "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust > > I use it routinely. Makes stuff look like new! > Will a 400 gal. vat fit a Sprite? From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Mar 22 12:11:49 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:11:49 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolysis Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <831169.33397.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <831169.33397.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Did you actually try the electrolysis rust removal trick. I'm thinking of using it on my >BE Grille. It's got some bad chrome and pitting. Want to remove the rust and then >I'll likely use some Kentucky Chrome on it for now(Chrome paint in a spray can). >Looking to hear your experience with electrolysis. WARNING TO ALL: Chromium is extremely toxic and I don't know how it will respond to this method. If the surface chrome is an oxide, then elemental chromium certainly will plate out on the sacrificial iron - nasty stuff. If it is not an oxide, then it might be unaffected, like metallic iron. Any chemists who can respond? There is a caution against using stainless steel for the sacrificial plates because of its chromium content. If anyone find information on treating chromed parts, please let us know. Yes, I have used this method, and it will take ALL rust off, leaving a gooey black coating to wash off an a pitted surface. It does not affect metallic iron so you can't over-treat. Heavier rust takes longer. The effect is line-of-sight, so you may have to fiddle with locations of the sacrificial iron. I use four 2' pieces of rebar wired together, and I hang rusted pieces on a wire off a stick across the top of the bucket - red to the rebar, black to the rust. It couldn't be simpler Michael Rowe From pilotrob at msn.com Sun Mar 22 12:36:41 2009 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:36:41 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Miata owners unite!! Message-ID: Hee, hee.... OK....she's a girl....automatic it is!!! I hope she enjoys the hell out of it. You gonna borrow it every now and then, Lester. "I better take it for a ride, honey. Just to make sure everything is working as it should....for YOUR safety!!!!" You're such a dog, Lester!! :): CapBob -----Original Message----- From: Lester Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:17 AM To: bugeye at yahoogroups.com, spridget list Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Miata owners unite!! Yup, my wife, after 20 years driving the "mommie van" got a new car, a Miata GT with the folding hardtop. When looking for cars, we went to the dealer that handles Porsche, Audi, Mazda, her firs words were, "It's smiling at me!" I muttered something about the Bugeye and so did she.. anyway any info, help, places to get go faster bits.. oh yea,... > > > . it's an automatic.. Lester From thcollin at mtu.edu Sun Mar 22 12:41:30 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:41:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal Message-ID: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> Another word of caution. I was using a plastic bin from a refrigerator for my bucket and bare wire to make my connections - just doing small parts. During the process something shifted and shorted the sacrificial metal to my parts. The (small) bare wire began to glow like a toaster wire (ten amp battery charger) which melted the plastic bin which then caught on fire. Globs of burning plastic dropped onto my wood top work bench which then too caught on fire. The fire never got very large, but this happened while I was behind the garage wire brushing parts. I heard the smoke alarm go off and found the fire when I went to investigate. So. . . make sure you have a stable setup so you don't have a fire. A smoke alarm in the garage is generally a bother because it goes off so much, but that day it saved me. Let's see. . . We WERE poor, but we didn't know it - and that's the truth! Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 12:49:35 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:49:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Poor....! In-Reply-To: <466047704.20090322115614@pacifier.com> References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <43840a7e0903221011y4f5bc723i1355f8f6d5a445c6@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903221036q6d30cfc7jb1c863f3434d7cac@mail.gmail.com> <49C67FEE.7040408@frontiernet.net> <43840a7e0903221120r75f66b11l983e96198d67b188@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903221144wa4db2c6q376915e9f8fc7a57@mail.gmail.com> <466047704.20090322115614@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221249j2a7c2f4fj23ff789ccd3b82fe@mail.gmail.com> Ha! You had a stick! We were so poor I had to *pretend* I had a stick!! People saw us kicking a can down the street and asked what we were doing...we said "Moving" We hung the toilet paper out to dry. We made a hole in the kitchen wall, behind the cooker, and we used to dip our bread in next door's gravy! We'd leave the door unlocked. A burglar might come in and lose some of his change. The dog got nervous every year at Thanksgiving. We had to borrow a few beans, to make the gas for a fire. Our momma used to serve cereal with a fork. The only things we saw on the kitchen table were elbows. The bank came and repossessed the calendar they gave us at the county fair. We would go to the KFC and lick other peoples' fingers. The electric company came to the house and blew out the candles. Maw & Paw had to face opposite directions and hook their elbows together, just to make ends meet. We had to reach up to touch bottom. When we needed a new pair of shoes Ma would make us run outside when it was raining. Then, when we got our feet good and muddy, she'd made us come inside and put our feet up until the mud dried. Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Bill L wrote: > Hello Jim, > > We were so poor all I ever got for Christmas was a stick. Year > after year is was the same stick. ... > > one year they told me it was a spear. > one year they tied a string to both ends and told me it was a > bow, but i couln't afford the arrows. > one year is was a baseball bat. > one year it was an army rifle. > one year is was a walking stick. > one year they tied a rock to the end and told me it was a golf > club. > one year is was a pool cue. Of course we didn't have the balls or > table. > one year it was a do-it-yourself whistle. I couldn't get the bark > to slide off to actually make one. > one year is was a riding crop. ... of course, no horse, but i got > to use the broom as one. > > > man i loved that stick. From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Mar 22 12:53:34 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:53:34 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: References: <752040503.5181081237727639657.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5853CE8A-2381-42EA-93DD-8683B18F5FD5@phillymgclub.com> Or ask our own Kevin V. He been doin it for years. Larry On Mar 22, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: >> Anyone tried this stuff yet? > > Anyone needing serious rust-busting should look into electrolysis. > It simply works. All you need is a battery charger, some washing > soda, and some scrap metal and misc. wires. I have had big success > using a spackling bucket. A paint tarp or garbage can will work for > larger items. Since the soda costs maybe $2 a box and the solution > (1 T/gal) can be used until it gets so repulsive you can't stand it > any more, there is no problem with cost of supplies. Google for > information. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Bugeye in contract > Long Island, NY _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 13:25:25 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget Message-ID: <428671.89278.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I dunno, I never, ever park behind a car I know is going to be backing up. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Rick Bastedo wrote: > From: Rick Bastedo > Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:29 PM > She was over at our house last night, > I came home and parked about 8 feet > behind her. > When she left she backed up into the front of my brown > Midget. > It was dark, I told her I would take a closer look at it in > the morning. > > She said: "I didn't know it was back there" > I said: didn't you see my car when you came out and got > into your car? > She said "it wasn't here when I parked here" > > No kidding. Yes she is that young, no she isn't blond. > > I guess I'll tell her that I have spare fenders and she > will have to buy > whatever has to be bought and at least get the replacement > fenders primered. > At that age she probably doesn't want to get her insurance > involved, cheaper > for her to just pay the repair. > Both front fenders are crumpled in a bit and both headlight > rings are > dented, one halogen headlight broken. > > Kids... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 13:35:54 2009 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:35:54 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> On Mar 22, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Timothy H. Collins wrote: > Another word of caution. > I was using a plastic bin from a refrigerator for my bucket and > bare wire to make my connections - just doing small parts. During > the process something shifted and shorted the sacrificial metal to > my parts. The (small) bare wire began to glow like a toaster wire > (ten amp battery charger) which melted the plastic bin which then > caught on fire. Globs of burning plastic dropped onto my wood top > work bench which then too caught on fire. The fire never got very > large, but this happened while I was behind the garage wire > brushing parts. I heard the smoke alarm go off and found the fire > when I went to investigate. So. . . make sure you have a stable > setup so you don't have a fire. A smoke alarm in the garage is > generally a bother because it goes off so much, but that day it > saved me. Tim, I've been doing this for about 25 years. (I have 3 permanent tanks). Some suggestions from my experience: All the wires from the positive terminal should have an inline fuse. 1 amp is sufficient. All wires should be insulated. I use red for positive and black for neg. (Neg ALWAYS goes to the part you are cleaning). All wires should have an alligator clip on the end. Always let the neg wire (clipped to the part you are cleaning) be submerged into the solution and NEVER let the positive wire (clipped to the sacrificial metal rod) be submerged. The rod should protrude above the solution with the positive wire being clipped to (it above the solution). Cleaning is NOT line of sight! All the metal connected to the neg terminal will be cleaned. (I know some of the directions on the internet tell you that the cleaning is line of sight, but it is not). The solution is carrying the current and the solution is surrounding the part you are cleaning. It will clean everything it is touching. All my tanks are plastic and I use Stainless steel rods for my tanks. Stainless works better because it lasts much longer than re- bar. When I don't have any Stainless I use re-bar, old bolts, angle iron, etc, etc....... Basically anything that will rust will work as the sacrificial rod. The rod should be bare metal, not painted or coated. Don't use galvanized or chrome as the rod. You can clean chrome plated materials in the tank, but if there is any rust under the chrome, it will peal the chrome off the part. Kevin V. From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 22 14:58:38 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin, WHO was it (in your neck of the woods) that did a Spridget TUBE in his swimming pool ?? From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 22 15:24:23 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:24:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> While she most likely IS a great kid Rick, I WOULD add LABOR to the Repair Bill. Might seem 'harsh', but life is harsh!!! Ed From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 14:36:00 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1617245854.5314411237757760360.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Yeah, I know all about electrolysis. I was asking if anyone has tried the Evapo-rust product? --David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:13:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust > Anyone tried this stuff yet? Anyone needing serious rust-busting should look into electrolysis. It simply works. All you need is a battery charger, some washing soda, and some scrap metal and misc. wires. I have had big success using a spackling bucket. A paint tarp or garbage can will work for larger items. Since the soda costs maybe $2 a box and the solution (1 T/gal) can be used until it gets so repulsive you can't stand it any more, there is no problem with cost of supplies. Google for information. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Bugeye in contract Long Island, NY _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 14:37:06 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust In-Reply-To: <006901c9ab7e$062cd440$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <554915064.5314751237757826383.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thanks, Paul. --David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Asgeirsson" To: "Michael Rowe" , "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:10:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust I use it routinely. Makes stuff look like new! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust > > Anyone tried this stuff yet? > > Anyone needing serious rust-busting should look into electrolysis. It > simply works. All you need is a battery charger, some washing soda, and > some scrap metal and misc. wires. I have had big success using a spackling > bucket. A paint tarp or garbage can will work for larger items. Since the > soda costs maybe $2 a box and the solution (1 T/gal) can be used until it > gets so repulsive you can't stand it any more, there is no problem with cost > of supplies. Google for information. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Bugeye in contract > Long Island, NY > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 14:40:55 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust*--Kevin? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <833599395.5316631237758055461.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Not sure about a 400 gal. vat. How many gallons would your swimming pool hold at your old place Kevin? As I recall we were egging you to use the pool for electrolosis rust removal. LOL --David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: "Paul Asgeirsson" , "Michael Rowe" , "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:12:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust > I use it routinely. Makes stuff look like new! Will a 400 gal. vat fit a Sprite? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 14:51:41 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:51:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust*--Kevin? In-Reply-To: <833599395.5316631237758055461.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <833599395.5316631237758055461.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903221451y5d0c23a1u8db661c23e6d3b0e@mail.gmail.com> Billy asks.... > > Will a 400 gal. vat fit a Sprite? Check with the ATF guys in the Smokey Mountains, Billy. They might lift one for you next time they bust a still.... ;-) -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 15:07:19 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust*--Kevin?--Now Popcorn Sutton In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903221451y5d0c23a1u8db661c23e6d3b0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1582507837.5325081237759639803.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Speaking of which, did you hear that the infamous and incorrigible moonshiner, Popcorn Sutton, committed suicide last week? He had been busted with mucho gallons of shine and given 18 months in prison. He killed himself the day before he was to go into prison. I have a quart of 'shine in my pantry that was made by Popcorn--good stuff. Also, I work part time at the nearby Museum of Appalachia (Norris, TN), and we have a huge and popular Homecoming festival in the Fall with Appalachian crafts, food, music, and legends. A few years ago, Popcorn Sutton was asked to set up a moonshine still and run plain water through it so visitors to the fesitval could see a still in operation. Well, Popcorn, never to be one who figured he had to follow any rules or laws, brought REAL mash to the festival and was cranking out the real juice and giving it out in little paper cups to anyone interested. So happened that the Governor of Tennessee was visiting the festival and his State Police body guards got wind of it and told the Museum owner, John Rice Irwin, to have him stop, which John Rice did. Popcorn wasn't at the festival the remaining 3 days. --David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" Cc: "Spridget Chat Group" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:51:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust*--Kevin? Billy asks.... > > Will a 400 gal. vat fit a Sprite? Check with the ATF guys in the Smokey Mountains, Billy. They might lift one for you next time they bust a still.... ;-) -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 16:01:18 2009 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:01:18 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust*--Kevin? In-Reply-To: <833599395.5316631237758055461.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <833599395.5316631237758055461.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mar 22, 2009, at 5:40 PM, dlancer7676 at comcast.net wrote: > Not sure about a 400 gal. vat. How many gallons would your swimming > pool hold at your old place Kevin? As I recall we were egging you > to use the pool for electrolosis rust removal. LOL That pool was about 10,000 gallon (15'x30'x4' oval). Just before I sold that property the new owner asked me to remove the pool. We drained the pool down to 12 or 14 inches of water and set the Spridget tub in it. It was just enough to cover the tub about 1/2 way up the doors. 2 boxes of washing soda and 4 Stainless steel rods........... I left it cook in there for about a week and when we took it out some of the floors just fell out of the tub ;) I had the rear axle out but left the front suspension intact. Easiest front end removal I ever did. Kevin V. From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 16:02:05 2009 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:02:05 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ed, That was me ;) Kevin V. On Mar 22, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > Kevin, WHO was it (in your neck of the woods) that > did a Spridget TUBE in his swimming pool ?? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kevinv1275 at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 16:10:52 2009 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust*--Kevin? In-Reply-To: <833599395.5316631237758055461.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <833599395.5316631237758055461.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <33D7F457-2946-4297-B013-C3FA564F46B4@gmail.com> On Mar 22, 2009, at 5:40 PM, dlancer7676 at comcast.net wrote: > Not sure about a 400 gal. vat. For a Spridget tub you need a tank approximately 13'Lx6'Wx3'D. That is 234 cubic feet. There are 7.5 gallons in each cubic foot, so; 234 x 7.5 equals 1755 gallons...... Kevin V. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 17:15:46 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:15:46 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] A Blocks Message-ID: Yes, only thin flange blocks were CC. No idea on casting numbers. In a message dated 22/03/2009 21:32:05 GMT Standard Time, cclabaw at juno.com writes: Is a "thin flange" a definitive identifier? How does one 'spot' a thin-flange motor? Do you know what MOWOG casting numbers go with what? From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 17:18:03 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:18:03 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget Message-ID: Twice other vehicles have reversed into my Sprite. One of them said - I didn't realise you were parked so close behind me - I suppose that's better than doing it on purpose. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 22/03/2009 20:25:53 GMT Standard Time, soavero at yahoo.com writes: I dunno, I never, ever park behind a car I know is going to be backing up. Ron Soave From rbastedo at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 17:23:26 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well to her immense credit she brought me a real nice check this afternoon while I was trying to aim my new halogen headlamp. It's a great thing to know a 19 year old who feels that kind of responsibility and does the right thing. Oh - as she handed me the check she said "if it takes more just tell me". Priceless! On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM, wrote: > Twice other vehicles have reversed into my Sprite. One of them said - I > didn't realise you were parked so close behind me - I suppose that's better > than doing it on purpose. > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 22/03/2009 20:25:53 GMT Standard Time, > soavero at yahoo.com writes: > > I dunno, I never, ever park behind a car I know is going to be backing up. > Ron Soave From pelliott at innercite.com Sun Mar 22 17:54:09 2009 From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:54:09 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today In-Reply-To: References: <18E95413CA5F414EA9319DEA89FF833F@blackbox2> Message-ID: <081001c9ab51$e09a9ea0$a1cfdbe0$@com> But a MKII sprite has a short opening, not quite as short as the Bugeye, but shorter than the MK3 or 4, (MKII or 3 midget) -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Masquelier Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:04 PM To: dlh2001 at comcast.net; rbastedo at gmail.com; spridget list Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today The reason that I say that it is for a Bugeye is that it is very short (front to back) and on the '64 car you can see about 1/4" of cockpit showing outside in the rear corners. If there was VERY wide rubber gasket put under the hardtop then it would fit the '64. Bill > From: dlh2001 at comcast.net > To: rbastedo at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:10:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > Are we sure that hardtop is for a bugeye? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Bastedo" > Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > > > BillM tells me the hard top that came with this car is for Bugeye's only. > > It's in good shape, needs all the rubber seals of course and could use some > > paint. It only weighs about 15 pounds!! Bill thinks maybe it's a racing top > > because it's so light. > > > > I need to sell the hardtop - I'm way over budget now and it's going to catch > > up with me if I don't sell some stuff. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 You are subscribed as pelliott at innercite.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/20/09 19:01:00 From rbastedo at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 17:59:41 2009 From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:59:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today In-Reply-To: <081001c9ab51$e09a9ea0$a1cfdbe0$@com> References: <18E95413CA5F414EA9319DEA89FF833F@blackbox2> <081001c9ab51$e09a9ea0$a1cfdbe0$@com> Message-ID: When I have a spare moment and weather permitting I'll put it on my MK II Sprite and see how it fits. On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote: > But a MKII sprite has a short opening, not quite as short as the Bugeye, > but > shorter than the MK3 or 4, (MKII or 3 midget) > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Masquelier > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:04 PM > To: dlh2001 at comcast.net; rbastedo at gmail.com; spridget list > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > The reason that I say that it is for a Bugeye is that it is very short > (front > to back) and on the '64 car you can see about 1/4" of cockpit showing > outside > in the rear corners. If there was VERY wide rubber gasket put under the > hardtop then it would fit the '64. > > Bill > > > From: dlh2001 at comcast.net > > To: rbastedo at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:10:44 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > > > Are we sure that hardtop is for a bugeye? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Bastedo" > > Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > > > > > > BillM tells me the hard top that came with this car is for Bugeye's > only. > > > It's in good shape, needs all the rubber seals of course and could use > some > > > paint. It only weighs about 15 pounds!! Bill thinks maybe it's a racing > top > > > because it's so light. > > > > > > I need to sell the hardtop - I'm way over budget now and it's going to > catch > > > up with me if I don't sell some stuff. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pelliott at innercite.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/20/09 > 19:01:00 From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 23 07:14:54 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:14:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Goodwill or Salvation Army has lots of stainless steel pot lids. They work great and are really inexpensive! Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Valentine" To: "Timothy H. Collins" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > All my tanks are plastic and I use Stainless steel rods for my > tanks. Stainless works better because it lasts much longer than re- > bar. When I don't have any Stainless I use re-bar, old bolts, angle > iron, etc, etc....... From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 22 18:26:01 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:26:01 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Evapo-rust*--Kevin? In-Reply-To: <33D7F457-2946-4297-B013-C3FA564F46B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: > 1755 gallons...... Anybody got one they could loan me? From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 18:33:52 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:33:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C6E700.3050800@comcast.net> Ed's Shop wrote: > < whatever has to be bought and at least get the replacement fenders > primered.>> > > While she most likely IS a great kid Rick, I WOULD add LABOR to the > Repair Bill. > > Might seem 'harsh', but life is harsh!!! > > Help her do the work, teach her how to sand, show her how to paint, unbolt and stuff like that. Making her pay hurts but teaching her how to fix will be a lesson she will not forget. That said, now if I can just get my daughter to crawl in the cave of HER Bugeye to string some wires and bolt on the license plate lamp.... -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From jjj at acsnet.com Sun Mar 22 18:31:45 2009 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:31:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Gasket Query Message-ID: <3786.66.172.236.83.1237771905.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Wondering who makes the best head gasket. I've had no luck with the copper/steel sandwich over the years so fitted a Payen composite last. Obviously great quality but the section between the cylinders was awfully thin. Anyone used Felpro? Any suggestions welcome. Tnx, Kurt. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 18:47:30 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Gasket Query In-Reply-To: <3786.66.172.236.83.1237771905.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> References: <3786.66.172.236.83.1237771905.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: <49C6EA32.5080602@comcast.net> jjj at acsnet.com wrote: > Wondering who makes the best head gasket. I've had no luck with the > copper/steel sandwich over the years so fitted a Payen composite last. > So you learned the hard way just like I did. I have blown every copper head gasket I ever put on. I did blow a Payen but that was due to a recessed brass plug in the head. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 23 08:06:14 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:06:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Gasket Query References: <3786.66.172.236.83.1237771905.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: <015101c9abc9$0a45e9e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Hi Kurt, I've used the copper/steel one forever with no troubles at all. David at APT asked me how I could be so lucky. So I explained to him (Now to all youse guys) how it worked for me. He agreed that taking the long time to do it would have a good effect on the job. This is not a middle of a race technique! I use engine oil on all the studs where the nut goes on. Bottom of stud is lightly tightened with hand pliers in slightly countersunk threaded holes, no oil. Spray block and head lighly with permatex Hi Tack adhesive. Let it dry properly. Don't spray the gasket. Then I take a couple hours gradually tightening the head nuts. As you increase the tightening, you need to back off the nut a 1/4 turn or so just before you do an additional retorque. Gradually step it up to the full torque amount, then after it has set a couple hours, do a last retorque. This is not a production technique, but it sure works for me. No comebacks ever doing it this way for me. There is also an assumption that the block and head are properly machined. Head only, of course, if it's just a valve job. Heads frequently are in need of a retruing job, so have it checked before doing a reassembly. Later, Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Gasket Query > Wondering who makes the best head gasket. I've had no luck with the > copper/steel sandwich over the years so fitted a Payen composite last. > Obviously great quality but the section between the cylinders was awfully > thin. Anyone used Felpro? Any suggestions welcome. > Tnx, Kurt. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billmasq at hotmail.com Sun Mar 22 19:10:19 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:10:19 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today In-Reply-To: <081001c9ab51$e09a9ea0$a1cfdbe0$@com> References: <18E95413CA5F414EA9319DEA89FF833F@blackbox2> <081001c9ab51$e09a9ea0$a1cfdbe0$@com> Message-ID: And so that means that it probably won't fit the MkIII or MkIV either! Bill > From: pelliott at innercite.com > To: billmasq at hotmail.com; dlh2001 at comcast.net; rbastedo at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:54:09 -0700 > > But a MKII sprite has a short opening, not quite as short as the Bugeye, but > shorter than the MK3 or 4, (MKII or 3 midget) > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Masquelier > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:04 PM > To: dlh2001 at comcast.net; rbastedo at gmail.com; spridget list > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > The reason that I say that it is for a Bugeye is that it is very short > (front > to back) and on the '64 car you can see about 1/4" of cockpit showing > outside > in the rear corners. If there was VERY wide rubber gasket put under the > hardtop then it would fit the '64. > > Bill > > > From: dlh2001 at comcast.net > > To: rbastedo at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:10:44 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > > > Are we sure that hardtop is for a bugeye? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Bastedo" > > Subject: [Spridgets] Brought home a 64 Midget today > > > > > > > BillM tells me the hard top that came with this car is for Bugeye's > only. > > > It's in good shape, needs all the rubber seals of course and could use > some > > > paint. It only weighs about 15 pounds!! Bill thinks maybe it's a racing > top > > > because it's so light. > > > > > > I need to sell the hardtop - I'm way over budget now and it's going to > catch > > > up with me if I don't sell some stuff. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. 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Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From frog.aye at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 19:26:56 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:26:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: References: <59A9DC34A3A642E9B78ADF42F2DDCD10@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4333f8140903221926o60e2f5f7o20be9a488dc6be52@mail.gmail.com> Couldn't possibly have backed into a Corvair in 1958: produced between '59 and '69. Hal On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:35 AM, wrote: > Have to admit that I did that back about 1958; I was 16 ...or was it 17?? > Walked out to the street and backed my mom's 55 Chevy into a smaller > Corvair. I walked back towards my home as my father was walking out with > his > checkbook. I don't remember saying anything. I mean, what are you gonna > say? > ...bill in oregon > ============================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Osbourne > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:10 AM > To: rbastedo at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my > Midget > > It's "generation clueless". These kids just won't do anything that is not > convenient for them......in this case, making SURE there is nothing behind > their car before they back up. Most of them just don't get it. > Went through the same thing with my youngest son. Although acknowledging > that it was probably his fault, his mitigating statement was that he'd > checked all his rear view mirrors first. I explained that, since it was > dark and he was driving a comparatively large vehicle (VW Vanagon), it was > his responsibility to walk back and look behind, before he got in and > backed > > up. He admitted that, "yeah, that's a good plan, Dad". That was the last > time he bent anything with that Vanagon and my insurance didn't go up as a > result (there was about $900 in damage to the other car, which belonged to > a > > good friend of his), so, I guess I got away cheaply. > Bud Osbourne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Mar 22 19:29:18 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:29:18 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Gasket Query In-Reply-To: <015101c9abc9$0a45e9e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <3786.66.172.236.83.1237771905.squirrel@www.acsnet.com>, <015101c9abc9$0a45e9e0$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <49C6918E.18951.2761753@kk7ss.verizon.net> My dad was a Lorry Driver in the UK (translation = Trucker). He taught me to put a thin smear of grease on both sides of the head gasket before torqueing the nuts... He claimed the grease baked well enough and hard enough to give a great seal. It's always worked for me... Just for info.... On 23 Mar 2009 at 7:06, Paul Asgeirsson wrote: >> This is not a production technique, but >> it sure works for me. No comebacks ever doing it this way for me. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sun Mar 22 19:45:30 2009 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:45:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9ab61$6ea08200$4be18600$@net> All I can say is WOW!!! You REALLY need to compliment her on her responsibility!! Responsibility like that is rare in kids now days and you really must have raised her right. Kudo's to you and her. She needs a big hug from you:) Leo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.23/2016 - Release Date: 3/21/2009 5:58 PM From froggi60 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:07:24 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:07:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903222007i24b5fa41q6f72290744762cf3@mail.gmail.com> The gallon size cost me $20.00. Next time at the store, I'll check the 5 gallon price. Herb From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 20:10:01 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:10:01 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye References: Message-ID: <91A90D79B90B4C9CBFE592BF2F173464@blackbox2> So.. What is the consensus? Was the fan red or yellow? Or both types occured? I just painted mine yellow. But I definitely saw a small amount of original yellow paint on the water pump pulley as I cleaned it before painting. Nothing revealing on the blades, looks like they were striped some time ago. From froggi60 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:10:18 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:10:18 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903222010y426090b8kb83da4c3c8a1d5c0@mail.gmail.com> I left rubber parts in all day and over night. So swelling. > > > Herb how long did you leave items with rubber parts in? From froggi60 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:17:49 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:17:49 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903222017i3055ef5br7952496c359901c@mail.gmail.com> Linda, Some of the supplies have on-line catalogs. Should be easy to copy/download pages. Herb From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 22 20:36:28 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:36:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye In-Reply-To: <91A90D79B90B4C9CBFE592BF2F173464@blackbox2> Message-ID: <20090323033632.XNBF16454.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Well, why not paint one blade red, and the other yellow? Good night everyone, have a great week. Please tip the waitress before you leave. Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dean Hedin Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:10 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye So.. What is the consensus? Was the fan red or yellow? Or both types occured? I just painted mine yellow. But I definitely saw a small amount of original yellow paint on the water pump pulley as I cleaned it before painting. Nothing revealing on the blades, looks like they were striped some time ago. From jjj at acsnet.com Sun Mar 22 20:57:29 2009 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:57:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Gasket Query Message-ID: <2692.66.172.236.84.1237780649.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Thanks for the comeback to all. I'll have to check which Payen I fitted but I am thinking about ordering a Felpro. Had good luck with them in the past. It'll be used on my driver that PO put a bunch of money into but never faced the block or head. Now I'm looking at a complete teardown for that purpose and a replacement head!! Kurt. From wsthompson at thicko.com Mon Mar 23 04:29:14 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:29:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Day 2 Message-ID: <003301c9abaa$9ab03900$d010ab00$@com> Another day of great accomplishment. Michael, Dave, Neil, Jim and Charley and I hit it hard. Larry stopped by too. We got the MGC out, and dragged it 1.5 miles before getting the motor unstuck, with no apparent mechanical bits trying to escape. The goal is to have that rat bastard running and driving by May. We also got the '63 VW Notchback out, got the motor snatched, and determined my assessment of 20 years ago when it was last driven was correct, and that that trans was fubar. It was a major effort to get that out. I had another transaxle from a Ghia, and after swapping out the axle tubes to get the right shock mounts, we wrestled that thin in as the last act of the day. The shop looks about 200% better, is far better organized on both the cold and heated side. I can't thank all of you enough for your help and support. WST From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 06:58:51 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:58:51 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Removal...made simple. In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10903222010y426090b8kb83da4c3c8a1d5c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b10903181840q2cba78d3ga8137559db16361a@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210542r20373773s922b32e9d3377c55@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903210606v1436b64cn116b9b05657bf602@mail.gmail.com> <2ad6c6b10903222010y426090b8kb83da4c3c8a1d5c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903230658l686188a5m41995fbd5b383405@mail.gmail.com> Herb, Wow impressive and a fair price for a product you can reuse. Although I am very concerned about the combination of metal factor Bill mentions. Lin On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:10 PM, WFO Herb wrote: > I left rubber parts in all day and over night. So swelling. > >> >> >> Herb how long did you leave items with rubber parts in? From cmlove at knology.net Mon Mar 23 07:02:41 2009 From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:02:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 Speed question, Thanks Message-ID: <002901c9abc0$09c648b0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Thanks to all who replied and offered advise or stories. This is a great list. I'm glad to be a lurking part of it. <(;-o) Charles M. "Monty" Love Dynetics, Inc. 256-461-2780 256-337-5581 (Cell) 256-882-1543 (Home) ET Test The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 07:07:44 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:07:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Glad I have spare fenders - niece backed into my Midget In-Reply-To: <402188520903230707n3dae0230p3a5c6823f6ea0974@mail.gmail.com> References: <000001c9ab61$6ea08200$4be18600$@net> <402188520903230707n3dae0230p3a5c6823f6ea0974@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903230707t19d73b42h685437d858f77117@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Twice other vehicles have reversed into my Sprite. One of them said - I > didn't realise you were parked so close behind me - I suppose that's > better than > doing it on purpose. "Spridgets in mirror are closer than they appear"? From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 07:09:33 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:09:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear suspension help.. Message-ID: <01EEEAA4-CE2E-44E7-B79D-FCCCD85E9096@comcast.net> Good morning all, I spent the better part of the last weekend re-doing rear bearings on the Bugeye and have run into only one problem. Peter told me to watch the spacers to make sure that they went in correctly. I don't have any spacers that aren't welded in. Oops, I'm referring to the radius arm. Towards the front of the car there are spacers welded in but where the radius arm attaches at the rear there are none. Are there supposed to be any there? Thanks, Lester From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 07:33:18 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:33:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <003301c9abaa$9ab03900$d010ab00$@com> References: <003301c9abaa$9ab03900$d010ab00$@com> Message-ID: This is LBC but not Spridget content. I hope some kind soul here will answer with the right kind of information - no one did on the Lotus 7 list I belong to. Below is the message I sent: Hi... I have a lotus Seven S4 Twin cam, which was jetted on a dyno at sea level three years ago. I now live at 7400 feet, and all my driving is done above 6000 feet. The engine is running too rich. Any suggestion for rejetting and should I retard the timing? Here is what I have now: 1970 Lotus Seven S4 Twin Cam, 1558 cc (+20 thou overbore), compression 10:1. Twin Weber DCOE 31 carburetors. Chokes: 32 mm Cyl 1 Cyl 2 Cyl 3 Cyl 4 Standard Twin Cam SE specification Emulsion Tube F11 F11 F11 F11 F11 Main Jet 115 115 125 120 115 Idle Jet 45F8 45F8 45F8 45F8 50F8 Air corrector 155 155 155 155 150 Timing: 25 degrees at idling, 35 degrees at 4000 to 4500 rpm JLC in the Black Forest, CO. From millerls at ado13.com Mon Mar 23 09:35:52 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:35:52 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Rear suspension help.. References: <01EEEAA4-CE2E-44E7-B79D-FCCCD85E9096@comcast.net> Message-ID: The spacers are part # 14-830 in the VB catalog. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lester To: Spridgets Group Chat ; bugeye at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Rear suspension help.. Good morning all, I spent the better part of the last weekend re-doing rear bearings on the Bugeye and have run into only one problem. Peter told me to watch the spacers to make sure that they went in correctly. I don't have any spacers that aren't welded in. Oops, I'm referring to the radius arm. Towards the front of the car there are spacers welded in but where the radius arm attaches at the rear there are none. Are there supposed to be any there? Thanks, Lester __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar If you wish to unsubscribe from the Austin Healey Bugeye Frogeye Sprite Club, please send a blank email to: bugeye-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com If you no longer want to receive emails, but wish to remain a member of the group, you may go to the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bugeye/ and change your subscription to "Web Only" and you will not receive any emails. MARKETPLACE ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Do you think you're Smart? Find out your IQ today. Take our quiz at Quizyou.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10903222017i3055ef5br7952496c359901c@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> <2ad6c6b10903222017i3055ef5br7952496c359901c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903231017ufbf069ep156301feca0feda1@mail.gmail.com> Herb,Yes I have those but too grainy when I plot them in a large format. I'll try the black paper. Lin On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:17 PM, WFO Herb wrote: > Linda, > > Some of the supplies have on-line catalogs. Should be easy to > copy/download pages. > > Herb From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 10:27:08 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SU Needle question In-Reply-To: References: <205cef430903210715v1283149n2746d65cd793c7fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903231027p1c717525h3f6ec5088a397cf9@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Bill,As it turns out I was missing one of my dash pot screws I ether didn't tighten it and it vibrated out or I forgot to put it back in. She runs a lot better now but I still need to make some adjustments. Time to crack the books. Lin On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, wrote: > Lots of different SU needles. There can be a letter id stamped on the large > end. Also, the needle works in the fuel tube orifice, which can also be > worn > by previous needles being off-center ...and ages of fuel flow. Some people > replace these in matching sets to avoid wear problems that can't be easily > seen. There are some very good booklets related to SU's that explain this, > and tune up. ...bill > > =========================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:16 AM > To: Spridgets > Subject: [Spridgets] SU Needle question > > I just got to thinking after looking at this site below on SU Needles (link > on lower right) that before start buying lots of stuff for my ill starting > & > running 1275 I should replace the needles because I used an old one I had > and even though they look clean they could be damaged right? Or am I wrong > on that? I don't understand if this link refers to Spridgets or big Healeys > but it just had me thinking. > > Lin > > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jbcarey/index.html > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 10:38:28 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude Message-ID: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, JLC wrote: > I hope some kind soul here will answer > with the right kind of information - JLC, You'd want to advance the timing at altitude. I'd go with a hotter plug also. (I'd go down 2 or 3 notches in the NGK range, from say, a BP-8 series to a BP-6 series). I'm not familiar enough with that particular Weber to make a recommendation, but you might think of buying or borrowing a clip-to-the-exhaust air/flow meter since you've got so many different variables to address. They aren't a whole bunch of money, and I'd buy one myself except the leaded fuel I use mungs up the sensor. When I lived in Los Alamos NM at 7400 feet, it was long enough ago that some of my friends had "primitive" cars, and advanced timing and 86 octane gas generally did the trick. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 10:50:17 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:50:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Rear suspension help.. In-Reply-To: References: <01EEEAA4-CE2E-44E7-B79D-FCCCD85E9096@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1C5A2A0B-874A-42F3-AB33-7F36F4633C7F@comcast.net> Yup.. that is welded in on my car..wheee.... Lester On Mar 23, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Larry & Sandi Miller wrote: > The spacers are part # 14-830 in the VB catalog. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lester > To: Spridgets Group Chat ; bugeye at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM > Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Rear suspension help.. > > Good morning all, > > I spent the better part of the last weekend re-doing rear bearings on > the Bugeye and have run into only one problem. > > Peter told me to watch the spacers to make sure that they went in > correctly. I don't have any spacers that aren't welded in. Oops, I'm > referring to the radius arm. Towards the front of the car there are > spacers welded in but where the radius arm attaches at the rear there > are none. Are there supposed to be any there? > > Thanks, > > Lester > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (2)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Austin Healey Bugeye Frogeye > Sprite Club, please send a blank email to: bugeye-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > If you no longer want to receive emails, but wish to remain a member > of the group, you may go to the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bugeye/ > and change your subscription to "Web Only" and you will not receive > any emails. > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 7 > New Members > 1 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > __,_._,___ From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 10:53:41 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:53:41 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude Message-ID: How rich is too rich and what was the HCo (?) reading when set up on the dyno? I know jets aren't cheap but neither is dyno time so I'd drop the mains down one size at at time test and repeat. With the idles it's harder to say but again one size at a time. I'd leave the air correctors alone as I'd expect the enrichment curve requirement is the same but starting from a different point. I see Ron has said to change the timing and fit a softer plug. I definitely don't see a reason to fit softer/warmer plugs and most definitely knot 2 grades. I don't see a reason why the timing ought to change but it's not something I'd mess with. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 23/03/2009 14:33:40 GMT Standard Time, breton48 at live.com writes: This is LBC but not Spridget content. I hope some kind soul here will answer with the right kind of information - no one did on the Lotus 7 list I belong to. Below is the message I sent: Hi... I have a lotus Seven S4 Twin cam, which was jetted on a dyno at sea level three years ago. I now live at 7400 feet, and all my driving is done above 6000 feet. The engine is running too rich. Any suggestion for rejetting and should I retard the timing? Here is what I have now: 1970 Lotus Seven S4 Twin Cam, 1558 cc (+20 thou overbore), compression 10:1. Twin Weber DCOE 31 carburetors. Chokes: 32 mm Cyl 1 Cyl 2 Cyl 3 Cyl 4 Standard Twin Cam SE specification Emulsion Tube F11 F11 F11 F11 F11 Main Jet 115 115 125 120 115 Idle Jet 45F8 45F8 45F8 45F8 50F8 Air corrector 155 155 155 155 150 Timing: 25 degrees at idling, 35 degrees at 4000 to 4500 rpm JLC in the Black Forest, CO. From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 11:47:51 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude Message-ID: <963137.20540.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > I see Ron has said to change the timing and fit a softer > plug. I definitely > don't see a reason to fit softer/warmer plugs and most > definitely knot 2 > grades. I don't see a reason why the timing ought to > change but it's not > something I'd mess with. I do. His density has gone from 14.7 psi to 11.3-ish psia. The mixture will burn differently. The 86 octane fuel is what was standard at the pumps when I lived out there. From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 11:54:00 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch Issue Message-ID: <37dc82d40903231154t539c9e73g1cde26f9fc65ec09@mail.gmail.com> My gear box likes to tighten up after I am out on the road. I need to bleed the slave. . but last night I needed to make a run and didn't have much time. . I took my grinder and ground off part of the back of the stop stub behind the clutch pedal. I had already attempted (earlier on) to adjust the clutch. So with the stop piece ground down about 1/4 inch, or less, the car ran just fine! I was finally able to open the clutch enough to get around without any issues. Of course this is no doubt a short cut asking for future trouble. . so I will be getting under the car and dealing with things as should be dealt with. Kirk 59 BE From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Mar 23 12:18:20 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:18:20 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude References: <963137.20540.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C047EB5CC3944EC9EBBBD77A19C62C9@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> On my Sprite I would turn the mixture nut up two turns at altitude and all was good. Last day of vacation, headed "downhill", two turns richer and all was back to normal. With the Megasquirt fuel injuection, the built in MAP sensor adjusts the mixture based on ambient pressure and no need to even think about it. For LotO, I crossed the Rockies and Sierra crests twice each with no loss of power and no re-tuning. Carbs are simple and dependable, but some of this modern stuff is pretty cool too. Glen Byrns From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 12:33:06 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:33:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Roan Soave and WeslakeMonza1330 for replying... I could not remember if the ignition had to be retarded or advanced for high altitude... Could you explain to me why it has to be advanced? I am running at 25 degrees advanced at idle, 35 at 4000-45000 rpm. I'll try 28 and 38. I know it's running too rich because I can see the "black soot" from the side exhaust on the rear left fender! Did not used to do that... in fact, the original setting by the engine rebuilder was on the lean side, and I should have left it there. I had the car dynoed in San Diego, and it was running somewhat rich after that, even at sea level. According to the dyno graph, the air/fuel ratio varied from a low 11 to 1 at 3000 rpm to a high 14.4 at 2000 rpm - it was 13.1 at 6297 (max power with 115 hp at rear wheels). I am running NGK BCP 6ES plugs - will try two grades hooter for the same plug. I will buy an airflow meter... I can use it on another car too. Any suggestions for a good one at a reasonable price? Thanks again, JLC From kgb at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 23 12:46:34 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:46:34 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: References: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C7E71A.4040204@frontiernet.net> I'm terribly sorry, but there is no way that a Lotus 7 can successfully operate at your altitude. An easy solution would be to send the car to me, as I live at a lower altitude. Kate JLC wrote: > Thanks to Roan Soave and WeslakeMonza1330 for replying... > > I could not remember if the ignition had to be retarded or advanced for high > altitude... Could you explain to me why it has to be advanced? I am running > at 25 degrees advanced at idle, 35 at 4000-45000 rpm. I'll try 28 and 38. > > I know it's running too rich because I can see the "black soot" from the > side exhaust on the rear left fender! Did not used to do that... in fact, > the original setting by the engine rebuilder was on the lean side, and I > should have left it there. I had the car dynoed in San Diego, and it was > running somewhat rich after that, even at sea level. According to the dyno > graph, the air/fuel ratio varied from a low 11 to 1 at 3000 rpm to a high > 14.4 at 2000 rpm - it was 13.1 at 6297 (max power with 115 hp at rear > wheels). > > I am running NGK BCP 6ES plugs - will try two grades hooter for the same > plug. > > I will buy an airflow meter... I can use it on another car too. Any > suggestions for a good one at a reasonable price? > > Thanks again, > > JLC > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 12:47:40 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:47:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <4C047EB5CC3944EC9EBBBD77A19C62C9@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <963137.20540.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C047EB5CC3944EC9EBBBD77A19C62C9@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: Yes, some of the modern stuff is cool! With the Webers, the only adjustement screws are for the idle, so as soon as the main jets kick in, you have no way to adjust the mixture - hence the need to change the jets. When I lived in England at the time Spridgets were built, the Webers were thought to bring mythical powers to an engine! Nowadays, I wished my Lotus came with SU carbs instead of Webers. I am sure they would give me ample power without the complexity of the Webers. JLC Glen Byrns wrote: On my Sprite I would turn the mixture nut up two turns at altitude and all was good. Last day of vacation, headed "downhill", two turns richer and all was back to normal. With the Megasquirt fuel injuection, the built in MAP sensor adjusts the mixture based on ambient pressure and no need to even think about it. For LotO, I crossed the Rockies and Sierra crests twice each with no loss of power and no re-tuning. Carbs are simple and dependable, but some of this modern stuff is pretty cool too. From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Mon Mar 23 12:48:22 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:48:22 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: References: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I live in San Bernardino, California which at above seal level by 1157 feet. I know this from my flight engineer days at Norton Air Force base. I have been up to Big Bear lake with my Bugeye and have only set my carbs leaner by a flat or two each time. The car ran fine as long I remembered to richen them back up when I got back down from the Mountain. Big Bear lake is about 7000 feet above sea level. Just to add to the confusion, I had to monitor two altitudes on the C141 aircraft, height above sea level for engine performance and height above ground level for aircraft longevity. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:33 PM, JLC wrote: > Thanks to Roan Soave and WeslakeMonza1330 for replying... > > I could not remember if the ignition had to be retarded or advanced for > high > altitude... Could you explain to me why it has to be advanced? I am running > at 25 degrees advanced at idle, 35 at 4000-45000 rpm. I'll try 28 and 38. > > I know it's running too rich because I can see the "black soot" from the > side exhaust on the rear left fender! Did not used to do that... in fact, > the original setting by the engine rebuilder was on the lean side, and I > should have left it there. I had the car dynoed in San Diego, and it was > running somewhat rich after that, even at sea level. According to the dyno > graph, the air/fuel ratio varied from a low 11 to 1 at 3000 rpm to a high > 14.4 at 2000 rpm - it was 13.1 at 6297 (max power with 115 hp at rear > wheels). > > I am running NGK BCP 6ES plugs - will try two grades hooter for the same > plug. > > I will buy an airflow meter... I can use it on another car too. Any > suggestions for a good one at a reasonable price? > > Thanks again, > > JLC > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 12:52:17 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:52:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <49C7E71A.4040204@frontiernet.net> References: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C7E71A.4040204@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Kate wrote: I'm terribly sorry, but there is no way that a Lotus 7 can successfully operate at your altitude. An easy solution would be to send the car to me, as I live at a lower altitude. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hmmm.... sure, but.... a wheel just fell off my Lotus, and my truck won't start, and my trailer brakes are seized. If that does not work, I will find more excuses! 8-)))) JLC From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 12:53:10 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:53:10 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude Message-ID: Air fuel ratios are expressed as parts air to parts fuel. So 11 to 1 a/f is richer than 14/4 or 13/1. For an A series 11 to 1 a/f is about as rich as you go for full power. A leaner mixture such as 12 to 1 a/f will generally produce less power. For perspective for a car with a strangler choke like an SU the mixture might be 5 to 1 a/f on a cold day. Sounds like the Lotus likes a slightly leaner mixture than the A-series to develop full power though the jetting figures you've provided sound similar to a standard car only with bigger main venturi but without bigger jets to match (though you don't say what the aux vent are and they can make a big difference). I haven't had time to research why a hotter plug would be needed and 2 grades hotter than a 6 is really hot. I'd add that if the existing plugs aren't fouling on a rich mixture why would they foul after the mixture had been leaned back to adjust for altitude. Too cold a plug might give you a misfire whereas too hot a plug will melt a hole in your engine's pistons. Weslake-Monza 1330 Your engine In a message dated 23/03/2009 19:33:20 GMT Standard Time, breton48 at live.com writes: Thanks to Roan Soave and WeslakeMonza1330 for replying... I could not remember if the ignition had to be retarded or advanced for high altitude... Could you explain to me why it has to be advanced? I am running at 25 degrees advanced at idle, 35 at 4000-45000 rpm. I'll try 28 and 38. I know it's running too rich because I can see the "black soot" from the side exhaust on the rear left fender! Did not used to do that... in fact, the original setting by the engine rebuilder was on the lean side, and I should have left it there. I had the car dynoed in San Diego, and it was running somewhat rich after that, even at sea level. According to the dyno graph, the air/fuel ratio varied from a low 11 to 1 at 3000 rpm to a high 14.4 at 2000 rpm - it was 13.1 at 6297 (max power with 115 hp at rear wheels). I am running NGK BCP 6ES plugs - will try two grades hooter for the same plug. I will buy an airflow meter... I can use it on another car too. Any suggestions for a good one at a reasonable price? Thanks again, JLC From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 12:57:05 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:57:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: References: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, That's one advantage of the SU carb over the Webers: you can adjust the mixture by just turning the flats on the SUs, you have to change the jets on the Webers. JLC Mike MacLean wrote: I live in San Bernardino, California which at above seal level by 1157 feet. I know this from my flight engineer days at Norton Air Force base. I have been up to Big Bear lake with my Bugeye and have only set my carbs leaner by a flat or two each time. The car ran fine as long I remembered to richen them back up when I got back down from the Mountain. Big Bear lake is about 7000 feet above sea level. Just to add to the confusion, I had to monitor two altitudes on the C141 aircraft, height above sea level for engine performance and height above ground level for aircraft longevity. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 13:04:16 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:04:16 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude Message-ID: Looks like Ron is correct and I'm wrong because NGK say the same thing as Ron. My excuse is that I live a long way from mountains.... _http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/p4.asp?mode=nml_ (http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/p4.asp?mode=nml) That said if the plugs don't foul don't go to a hotter heat range. If they are fouling I'd still go a range at a time. On the NGK web page they advise how much the heat range changes per grade though how you work out the chamber temps I didn't find. A factor on whether or not you need to change grades will depend on how close or not you are running to the optimium range for that grade. An NGK6 is already a fairly warm plug (I have NGK 8s in my road car). Weslake-Monza 1330 From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Mon Mar 23 13:05:02 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:05:02 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: References: <499349.65034.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That was back when I had the original 948 and 1 1/8th carbs in the car. I now have a 1275 and a single HIF44 in it. I don't know what to adjust on this carb. Now I'll have to call David Anton! Mike On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM, JLC wrote: > Mike, > > > > That's one advantage of the SU carb over the Webers: you can adjust the > mixture by just turning the flats on the SUs, you have to change the jets > on > the Webers. > > > > JLC > > > > Mike MacLean wrote: > > I live in San Bernardino, California which at above seal level by 1157 > feet. > I know this from my flight engineer days at Norton Air Force base. I have > been up to Big Bear lake with my Bugeye and have only set my carbs leaner > by > a flat or two each time. The car ran fine as long I remembered to richen > them back up when I got back down from the Mountain. Big Bear lake is > about > 7000 feet above sea level. Just to add to the confusion, I had to monitor > two altitudes on the C141 aircraft, height above sea level for engine > performance and height above ground level for aircraft longevity. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 13:08:58 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:08:58 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hoses - downflow/vertical flow - final call Message-ID: Hi list, I have several orders for hoses and money to match. However, a couple of people have sent me an order or asked for hoses and haven't sent any money (excepting one person who I know about). I have to have the money with the order or I don't order on SAMCO. Also, can you make sure that when you pay you cover the e-bay fees I might suffer. I think you have to say you are buying goods (which you are) rather than just sending me money. Remember the hoses are sold at a break even price. So, final call for hoses this time round. Money by this time tommorrow to _daniel1312 at aol.com_ (mailto:daniel1312 at aol.com) or wait for another time. Crossflow hoses later this week. Weslake-Monza1330 From pythias at pacifier.com Mon Mar 23 13:12:24 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:12:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <4C047EB5CC3944EC9EBBBD77A19C62C9@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <963137.20540.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C047EB5CC3944EC9EBBBD77A19C62C9@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <191118.20090323131224@pacifier.com> Hello Glen, When we drove to LotO from Washington, over the Rockies and back again we did nothing to the SUs. Didn't want to have to tinker at all, just drove. I had one incidence of a lack of power near Cheyenne Wyoming. We had just started out after having gassed up. I was in 4 gear, still going uphill at about 8500' and the rpms started dropping. I shifted to 3rd, and kept loosing power and speed. I thought it might be the headlights draining the power because of a failed genny, so I turned them off, and kept loosing speed and power. I shifted to 2nd and pulled to the shoulder continuing to loose power dropping clear down to about 2500 rpm. I hit first and was about to shut it down when it started to accelerate. Back up thru the gears and all was fine thereafter. Never did figure out what happened. Had one incidence of a complete lack of power heading West. I was down to third when Bill M. went by like I was standing still. Turned out he was down to 2nd! .. Maybe they would have done better if we turned them up a flat or two, but since you (Glen)had put your magic fingers on the carbs in Missouri I didn't want to fiddle. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" He who stands in corner with hands in pocket doesn't feel crazy, feels nuts. From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 23 13:48:29 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:48:29 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed question In-Reply-To: References: <000301c9a966$468269c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> <49C3C2A5.5010100@verizon.net> <402188520903200935j477df180udd5654e1679a07b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C6BA.4020000@verizon.net> <77639395.20090320111807@pacifier.com> Message-ID: I realize I'm a noob compared to most everyone on the list when it comes to Spridgets, but wouldn't the easy way to install the driveshaft be have the driveshaft laying in the tunnel and as you are lowering the tranny into the tunnel, reach down through the shifter hole, slide the driveshaft onto the trans, then lower it the engine/trans rest of the way in? Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:59:09 -0700 > From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com > To: pythias at pacifier.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 5 speed question > > Yes, but if you have a clearance issue with the top of the tunnel, you won't > be able to slide it forward, which was my experience. The way you describe > was the way I installed it. > Mike MacLean > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bill L wrote: > > > Hello rrengineer, > > > > When I put in the driveshaft, I just reach down the shifter hole > > and pick up the yoke and start it on the output shaft. > > > > And then there's the masking tape method.... .. > > > > no need to cut and weld OR fight the whole assembly as one piece > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > > > Xerox never comes up with anything original. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 13:55:02 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:55:02 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good site, thanks! Gives me a good insight on what to do and why, when you go to high altitude. The plugs are not fouling, but I still think I'll try one grade cooler, which was the original plug temp setting for that engine. JLC Weslake-Monza 1330 wrote: Looks like Ron is correct and I'm wrong because NGK say the same thing as Ron. My excuse is that I live a long way from mountains.... http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/p4.asp?mode=nml That said if the plugs don't foul don't go to a hotter heat range. If they are fouling I'd still go a range at a time. On the NGK web page they advise how much the heat range changes per grade though how you work out the chamber temps I didn't find. A factor on whether or not you need to change grades will depend on how close or not you are running to the optimium range for that grade. An NGK6 is already a fairly warm plug (I have NGK 8s in my road car). From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:01:26 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry, It's not that easterners don't appreciate Chicago style deep dish, it's just that it ain't pizza. :-) Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net >> > Oh, hell, Ron. I was gonna rely on you to steer me in the right direction. > > Of course you Easterners can't appreciate a Chicago Deep Dish. Too bad. > That's what I grew up on. > > LAD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Soave" > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > > You're gonna need to fly. I'll see if it's even > > remotely possible to pick up a pizza that you would approve > > of. > > I assure you, it most definitely is not. And yes that includes Wells > Brothers. > > Ron (last time for the night) > _______________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8  Now Available. Faster, safer, easier. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:04:17 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:04:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Drive Shaft Installation Message-ID: <5f00d9910903231404o5174f18cla865c8dcd6f09023@mail.gmail.com> Some make a hole in the tunnel for such things. You can use masking tape to make the assembly stiff and install it. From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:09:03 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402188520903231409n7528062dp460b78305d78e31e@mail.gmail.com> > It's not that easterners don't appreciate Chicago style deep dish, > it's just that it ain't pizza. > :-) And Frank has already admitted that "tomato pie" isn't pizza. As far as Ron's ideas, Genoa probably learned about pizza from the USA, so his test doesn't have a whole lot of validity either. I think that pizza must be a myth... From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 14:10:14 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:10:14 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude Message-ID: carburettor icing? In a message dated 23/03/2009 20:12:37 GMT Standard Time, pythias at pacifier.com writes: Never did figure out what happened From twobees at sprynet.com Mon Mar 23 14:13:52 2009 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:13:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch Issue Message-ID: <009701c9abfc$44ea16b0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Kirk: Also -- in a pinch you might be able to get by without disengaging the clutch. It isn't easy as you have to synch engine revs with trans gear speeds. But, it can be done. We did that for a few days back when I was in college with a '55 Chevy hot rod in which we commuted. You do need a good battery though, or a hill where you can get up to sufficient speed while coasting. While parked with engine off, engage 1st. Crank the starter to get moving. It will be jerky when first starting. But, after that you're off & shifting. Really much better to fix the clutch. Norm Sippel From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:14:08 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:14:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Drive Shaft Installation In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903231404o5174f18cla865c8dcd6f09023@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9910903231404o5174f18cla865c8dcd6f09023@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903231414i36f8854eyfa790a7aefa6cf4b@mail.gmail.com> > Some make a hole in the tunnel for such things. > You can use masking tape to make the assembly stiff and install it. Heck, the FACTORY made a hole in the tunnel for such things. No, that was not only the 1500 Midgets. I have seen at least two 1974 chrome-bumper 1275 Midgets with factory holes there. Of course, with the driveshaft bolting to the transmission flange on the 1500, the hole was pretty darned necessay for them. It is possible that the factory ordered the floorpan change early for testing purposes. I have tried leaving the driveshaft bolted to the diff and inserting it into the trans as the assembly was lowered into the car. It gets tedious quickly when you have to move it a bit and the shaft falls out, repeat ad nauseum. David Lieb From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 14:19:30 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01D83DDD55B24983BE6C5AF9D9D85643@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian S" To: "spridgets list" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Larry, It's not that easterners don't appreciate Chicago style deep dish, it's just that it ain't pizza. :-) Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! ========== Ha! Blasphemy! Brian, if you ever stray near Chicago, you'd better keep scanning the sky for lightening bolts. ;-) Truthfully, I would someday like to try the tomato pie that Frank and Ron brag about. Must be something to it. LAD From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 14:41:23 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rear suspension help.. In-Reply-To: <544604.34332.qm@web111208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <01EEEAA4-CE2E-44E7-B79D-FCCCD85E9096@comcast.net> <544604.34332.qm@web111208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9345A126-F173-4B4E-9384-05E077DB06EA@comcast.net> Thanks! Lester On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:16 AM, roger cotting wrote: > No > > Roger Cotting > > > From: Lester > To: Spridgets Group Chat ; bugeye at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:09:33 AM > Subject: [Spridgets] Rear suspension help.. > > Good morning all, > > I spent the better part of the last weekend re-doing rear bearings > on the Bugeye and have run into only one problem. > > Peter told me to watch the spacers to make sure that they went in > correctly. I don't have any spacers that aren't welded in. Oops, > I'm referring to the radius arm. Towards the front of the car there > are spacers welded in but where the radius arm attaches at the rear > there are none. Are there supposed to be any there? > > Thanks, > > Lester > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rbc_48183 at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grday at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 15:18:51 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:18:51 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] [SPAM] Re: Rejetting carbs for high altitude References: <963137.20540.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4C047EB5CC3944EC9EBBBD77A19C62C9@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <8EB3402C0F824184A7E8774ABD906220@dell330> Why not drop Lotus and e-mail and ask the company? http://www.lotuscars.com/ for Lotus USA http://www.grouplotus.com/cars/contact.html for Lotus UK. Guy R Day From wbmcleod at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 15:44:53 2009 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (Bill McLeod) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:44:53 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Drive Shaft Installation In-Reply-To: <402188520903231414i36f8854eyfa790a7aefa6cf4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9910903231404o5174f18cla865c8dcd6f09023@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903231414i36f8854eyfa790a7aefa6cf4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C810E5.20501@gmail.com> /aXNiRx: Permission denied From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 15:49:32 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (soavero at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude Message-ID: <552846.51180.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You lost me at "Ron is correct" ;-) Actually, I agree with Dan - a 6 is fairly warm, but you can try 5's (I have 8s on my race car, 6 on street). I missed the 35 deg advance before also - that sounds like a "leave it alone" number too. Normally, the timing advance compensates for the lack of oxygen and its slowing effect on fuel burn. Same with lower octane gas. The air-fuel meter will be the real answer, and you can do things gradually. Ron Soave --- On Mon, 3/23/09, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com > Subject: Spark plugs and altitude > To: soavero at yahoo.com, spridgets at autox.team.net > Cc: breton48 at live.com > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 3:04 PM > > > > > > > > Looks like Ron is correct and I'm wrong because > NGK say the same thing as > Ron. My excuse is that I live a long way from > mountains.... > > http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/p4.asp?mode=nml > > > That said if the plugs don't foul don't go to > a hotter heat range. If > they are fouling I'd still go a range at a time. > On the NGK web page they > advise how much the heat range changes per grade though how > you work out the > chamber temps I didn't find. > > A factor on whether or not you need to change grades > will depend on how > close or not you are running to the optimium range for that > grade. An NGK6 > is already a fairly warm plug (I have NGK 8s in my road > car). > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 15:53:25 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <442867.71880.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > Truthfully, I would someday like to try the tomato pie that > Frank and Ron > brag about. Must be something to it. Not me - I prefer proper pizza. Tomato Pie is great (Trenton!), but like deep-dish, it's a different food than pizza. Ron From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 16:12:10 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:12:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <442867.71880.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <442867.71880.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903231612p166b398bt4473e8dfeee61a0e@mail.gmail.com> Pizza is an elusive thing. I grew up in the northeast. New York State and Massachusetts and I thought from New York and its great Italian Mom & Pop restaurants that I *knew* what Pizza was. In the 1960s I spent some time in Italy. That's when I found out that Pizza isn't Italian. It's American. And its sort of like a *sandwich*. There are as many different kinds of it as there are places to eat it! Like a Hoagie (Grinder, Sub...etc). If my cardiologist finds out I am even talking about this kind of food I'm in trouble.... ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > > > Truthfully, I would someday like to try the tomato pie that > > Frank and Ron > > > brag about. Must be something to it. > > Not me - I prefer proper pizza. Tomato > Pie is great (Trenton!), but like deep-dish, it's a different food than > pizza. > Ron > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 16:14:31 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:14:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <8EB3402C0F824184A7E8774ABD906220@dell330> References: <963137.20540.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4C047EB5CC3944EC9EBBBD77A19C62C9@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> <8EB3402C0F824184A7E8774ABD906220@dell330> Message-ID: Guy R. Day wrote: Why not drop Lotus and e-mail and ask the company? http://www.lotuscars.com/ for Lotus USA http://www.grouplotus.com/cars/contact.html for Lotus UK. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the suggestion, and I'll try, but I am not holding my breath. I honestly don't think they are interested in the old Sevens. Lotus Seven documentation /info is provided by the Lotus Club in the UK (John Watson is the Seven Registrar), and servicing/parts/manuals for the Seven are available from Redline components LTD, also in England. They don't have all the parts available by a long shot. I think Caterham might be more helpful than Lotus. JLC From breton48 at live.com Mon Mar 23 16:15:06 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:15:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude In-Reply-To: <552846.51180.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <552846.51180.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I will try a 5... Any suggestions for an air-fuel meter? Never had one before. JLC Ron wrote: Actually, I agree with Dan - a 6 is fairly warm, but you can try 5's (I have 8s on my race car, 6 on street). I missed the 35 deg advance before also - that sounds like a "leave it alone" number too. Normally, the timing advance compensates for the lack of oxygen and its slowing effect on fuel burn. Same with lower octane gas. The air-fuel meter will be the real answer, and you can do things gradually. From mhagopian at hoppetool.com Mon Mar 23 16:54:13 2009 From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! In-Reply-To: <4DFAB5E5-95C2-4B5E-B767-01D0604556A3@comcast.net> References: <4DFAB5E5-95C2-4B5E-B767-01D0604556A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <87a1f55d0903231654q2c18aa1fld8aced5d56033952@mail.gmail.com> I have a miata... with 250whp in it!!! if you have any questions I might be of assitance!! short list of mods.. 1.5" lower springs gab shocks racing beat sway bars hye-dra-cyl brakes motor: t3/t4 ball bearing turbo .49 A/R 500cc injectors O-ringed the head FMIC 11x17x3 exedy stage 3 clutch Coolant Re-route (very important!!!!) upgraded radiator lots of duct work Link ECU I have lots of pictures if u want any! On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lester wrote: > Yup, my wife, after 20 years driving the "mommie van" got a new car, a > Miata GT with the folding hardtop. When looking for cars, we went to the > dealer that handles Porsche, Audi, Mazda, her firs words were, "It's smiling > at me!" I muttered something about the Bugeye and so did she.. anyway any > info, help, places to get go faster bits.. oh yea,... > > > > > > > > > > > > .. it's an automatic.. > > Lester > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mhagopian at hoppetool.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 16:56:18 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude Message-ID: <468717.76946.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, JLC wrote: > Any > suggestions for an air-fuel meter? Never had > one before. Peter knows a guy...What brand is Tom Alf's? The clip on thing was well-done, and you could drive around easily with it attached. Ron Soave From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 17:09:29 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude References: <552846.51180.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Whoa, guys. We are still talking about NGKs, right? With NGK a smaller number is a hotter plug. If a 6 is too hot, a 5 is worse. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "JLC" To: "'Spridgets'" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude Thanks, I will try a 5... Any suggestions for an air-fuel meter? Never had one before. JLC Ron wrote: Actually, I agree with Dan - a 6 is fairly warm, but you can try 5's (I have 8s on my race car, 6 on street). I missed the 35 deg advance before also - that sounds like a "leave it alone" number too. Normally, the timing advance compensates for the lack of oxygen and its slowing effect on fuel burn. Same with lower octane gas. The air-fuel meter will be the real answer, and you can do things gradually. You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Mar 23 17:31:35 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:31:35 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <402188520903231409n7528062dp460b78305d78e31e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Genoa probably learned about pizza f 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but not until the Seventies. 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew up with is the best. From frog.aye at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 17:49:27 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:49:27 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? In-Reply-To: <205cef430903231017ufbf069ep156301feca0feda1@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903201221x5c88e8dbudf703717e3bce3d@mail.gmail.com> <2ad6c6b10903222017i3055ef5br7952496c359901c@mail.gmail.com> <205cef430903231017ufbf069ep156301feca0feda1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8140903231749p7b818bdbk81d83478db03d261@mail.gmail.com> Linda, Do you have a copy of "those F-ing CDs that Rock?" There are two of them one for the early cars (quarter elliptic) and one for the later cars. They contaim PDF files of all of the BMC, Bl, official pubs for the Sprite and Midget. I didn't find a full exploded view of the engine, but there are certainly exploded views that show everything in there, just not all at once. If you don't have a copy of one or the other or both, call PPP (or Just Ed, or your local brit parts dealer) and get them. Hal From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Mon Mar 23 18:00:12 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:00:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090324010016.UALD17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Foo. Enough of the pizza. WST fired up the grill with charcoal (not propane) and cooked brats (loaded sausages full of meat goodness for those in the other time zones) and burgers. Combine that with a warm early spring afternoon in the sun (and *feel* the sun btw) and hearing all of your past stories on a back yard patio... Hopefully we'll demonstrate it for you in 2011, but damn...what a kick off for the non snow season here. Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:32 PM To: David Lieb; Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > Genoa probably learned about pizza f 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but not until the Seventies. 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew up with is the best. From billmasq at hotmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:07:50 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:07:50 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: OK- who is the chemical expert who can tell me why we need washing soda for the electrolysis? I can't find washing soda to save my life and just wonder why a teaspoon of common table salt per gallon of water wouldn't work properly? BillM > From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > To: kevinv1275 at gmail.com; thcollin at mtu.edu > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:14:54 -0800 > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > Goodwill or Salvation Army has lots of stainless steel pot lids. They work > great and are really inexpensive! > > Paul A > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Valentine" > To: "Timothy H. Collins" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > > > > > All my tanks are plastic and I use Stainless steel rods for my > > tanks. Stainless works better because it lasts much longer than re- > > bar. When I don't have any Stainless I use re-bar, old bolts, angle > > iron, etc, etc....... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:07:49 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <20090324010016.UALD17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> References: <20090324010016.UALD17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903231807s49512a78h258301502dc0b7ef@mail.gmail.com> Beer, Chris... There must have been beer! Otherwise the brats, burgers and lies are all worthless! Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Chris Manuel wrote: > Foo. Enough of the pizza. WST fired up the grill with charcoal (not > propane) and cooked brats (loaded sausages full of meat goodness for those > in the other time zones) and burgers. Combine that with a warm early > spring > afternoon in the sun (and *feel* the sun btw) and hearing all of your past > stories on a back yard patio... > > Hopefully we'll demonstrate it for you in 2011, but damn...what a kick off > for the non snow season here. > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:32 PM > To: David Lieb; Spridgets > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > > Genoa probably learned about pizza f > 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but not until the > Seventies. > 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. > > 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. > > 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew > up with is the best. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran From wsthompson at thicko.com Mon Mar 23 18:14:25 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:14:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <20090324010016.UALD17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> References: <20090324010016.UALD17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: <000901c9ac1d$e0d9f7e0$a28de7a0$@com> Took me about a half hour to blow out the mouse castle inside the engine shroud tins on the VW Type III Notchback tonight. So, work is continuing. Yeah, I'll do a turkey on the grille for the next SOS episode... which is likely to be sooner than later. > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Manuel > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:00 PM > To: 'Spridgets' > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > Foo. Enough of the pizza. WST fired up the grill with charcoal (not > propane) and cooked brats (loaded sausages full of meat goodness for > those > in the other time zones) and burgers. Combine that with a warm early > spring > afternoon in the sun (and *feel* the sun btw) and hearing all of your > past > stories on a back yard patio... > > Hopefully we'll demonstrate it for you in 2011, but damn...what a kick > off > for the non snow season here. > > Chris ts From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Mon Mar 23 18:18:32 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:18:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903231807s49512a78h258301502dc0b7ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090324011836.JEIY15479.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Oh there was. All local. We had electricity and compressed air too, didn't think of mentioning the essentials :-) Chris _____ From: Jim Johnson [mailto:bmwwxman at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:08 PM To: Chris Manuel Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Beer, Chris... There must have been beer! Otherwise the brats, burgers and lies are all worthless! Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Chris Manuel wrote: Foo. Enough of the pizza. WST fired up the grill with charcoal (not propane) and cooked brats (loaded sausages full of meat goodness for those in the other time zones) and burgers. Combine that with a warm early spring afternoon in the sun (and *feel* the sun btw) and hearing all of your past stories on a back yard patio... Hopefully we'll demonstrate it for you in 2011, but damn...what a kick off for the non snow season here. Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:32 PM To: David Lieb; Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > Genoa probably learned about pizza f 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but not until the Seventies. 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew up with is the best. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:19:42 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903231819i3e11d383v8e0817c8eca2b377@mail.gmail.com> Bill, I dunno about why washing soda but I suspect it is a chemical thing under electrolysis. Washing soda is Na2CO3 - Sodium Carbonate. Salt is NaCl - Sodium Chloride. Mix it in water and run a current through it and you might get hydrochloric acid and/or free chlorine gas which are some pretty nasty things to deal with. Sodium isn't anything to mess around with either. With washing soda you'd get Carbon Dioxide and Sodium Monoxide or something like that. No where near as nasty as the Chlorates! I don't know how this would work, but I remember enough chemistry to think I don't wanna mess with even a slight chance of these Chlorate compounds. Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Bill Masquelier wrote: > OK- who is the chemical expert who can tell me why we need washing soda for > the electrolysis? I can't find washing soda to save my life and just wonder > why a teaspoon of common table salt per gallon of water wouldn't work > properly? > BillM > > > From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > To: kevinv1275 at gmail.com; thcollin at mtu.edu > > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:14:54 -0800 > > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > > > Goodwill or Salvation Army has lots of stainless steel pot lids. They > work > > great and are really inexpensive! > > > > Paul A > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Valentine" > > To: "Timothy H. Collins" > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > > > > > > > > > All my tanks are plastic and I use Stainless steel rods for my > > > tanks. Stainless works better because it lasts much longer than re- > > > bar. When I don't have any Stainless I use re-bar, old bolts, angle > > > iron, etc, etc....... > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 18:33:37 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:33:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu><19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <361769E7243D47F8B0634B95343AB4BD@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Masquelier" Cc: "spridget list" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal OK- who is the chemical expert who can tell me why we need washing soda for the electrolysis? I can't find washing soda to save my life and just wonder why a teaspoon of common table salt per gallon of water wouldn't work properly? BillM ================== Bill, Arm and Hammer has a laundry product that is called washing soda. It's just sodium carbonate which is used in pools. Try your local swimming pool chemical supply house. Probably cheaper that way, too. From mahney at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:38:20 2009 From: mahney at gmail.com (Greg Mahney) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:38:20 +0900 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <780ad83f0903231838i28838c79xe833b7f1f442cf58@mail.gmail.com> Sodium Carbonate is sometimes called Soda Ash, and you can buy it in swimming pool shops in Australia. Do they have such things where you live? Greg in Australia On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Bill Masquelier wrote: > OK- who is the chemical expert who can tell me why we need washing soda for > the electrolysis? I can't find washing soda to save my life and just wonder > why a teaspoon of common table salt per gallon of water wouldn't work > properly? > BillM > > > From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > To: kevinv1275 at gmail.com; thcollin at mtu.edu > > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:14:54 -0800 > > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > > > Goodwill or Salvation Army has lots of stainless steel pot lids. They > work > > great and are really inexpensive! > > > > Paul A > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Valentine" > > To: "Timothy H. Collins" > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > > > > > > > > > All my tanks are plastic and I use Stainless steel rods for my > > > tanks. Stainless works better because it lasts much longer than re- > > > bar. When I don't have any Stainless I use re-bar, old bolts, angle > > > iron, etc, etc....... > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mahney at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:39:49 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:39:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <361769E7243D47F8B0634B95343AB4BD@Larry> References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <361769E7243D47F8B0634B95343AB4BD@Larry> Message-ID: Look for washing soda with the clothes soap, That is where I found mine at.... On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Masquelier" > Cc: "spridget list" > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > > OK- who is the chemical expert who can tell me why we need washing soda for > the electrolysis? I can't find washing soda to save my life and just wonder > why a teaspoon of common table salt per gallon of water wouldn't work > properly? > BillM > > ================== > > Bill, Arm and Hammer has a laundry product that is called washing soda. > It's just sodium carbonate which is used in pools. Try your local swimming > pool chemical supply house. Probably cheaper that way, too. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From nlaredbt7 at tbc.net Mon Mar 23 18:45:48 2009 From: nlaredbt7 at tbc.net (Neil Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <20090324010016.UALD17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> <000901c9ac1d$e0d9f7e0$a28de7a0$@com> Message-ID: Turkey sounds good, but there has to be a ban on you buying any more cars to work on or finding any in storage units you forgot about. There is always the white Midget to work on, at least it is a Spridget. Larry's Bugeye is next. Actually, it was an enjoyable weekend. I got to meet quite a few really nice guys that I have only known from this list and got to help WST sort out some of his stuff. It was rather pleasant not to have to think about all I have going on. And, I have to agree with Chris, Saturday was almost perfect weather, although, about the only time he saw the sun was when he came out from under the BMW for lunch. Yes, some of us had a beer with our brats. Beer and brats, it's aWisconsin thing, dontcha know. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "'Chris Manuel'" ; "'Spridgets'" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > Took me about a half hour to blow out the mouse castle inside the engine > shroud tins on the VW Type III Notchback tonight. So, work is continuing. > > Yeah, I'll do a turkey on the grille for the next SOS episode... which is > likely to be sooner than later. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Manuel >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:00 PM >> To: 'Spridgets' >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 >> >> Foo. Enough of the pizza. WST fired up the grill with charcoal (not >> propane) and cooked brats (loaded sausages full of meat goodness for >> those >> in the other time zones) and burgers. Combine that with a warm early >> spring >> afternoon in the sun (and *feel* the sun btw) and hearing all of your >> past >> stories on a back yard patio... >> >> Hopefully we'll demonstrate it for you in 2011, but damn...what a kick >> off >> for the non snow season here. >> >> Chris > ts > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as nlaredbt7 at tbc.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 18:49:32 2009 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:49:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C83C2C.1010604@sbcglobal.net> Yo, Billy. Another fan of St. Louis pizza! Yes, St. Louis pizza is excellent, but an acquired taste. It's very thin and we use Provel cheese, which is a local blend of provolone and mozzarella. It's also cut into squares instead of slices. You either love or hate it (sorta like White Castle.) When my brother comes down from Chicago we trade Gino's for Imo's. Lee St. Louis (lots of good NY and Chicago style, too.) Message: 17 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:31:35 -0700 From: Billy Zoom Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 To: David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com>, Spridgets Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Genoa probably learned about pizza f 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but not until the Seventies. 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew up with is the best. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 18:56:05 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:56:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <20090324010016.UALD17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL><000901c9ac1d$e0d9f7e0$a28de7a0$@com> Message-ID: <359584906B414BFFB5900E23AA66D5AE@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Anderson" To: "Wm. Severin Thompson" ; "'Chris Manuel'" ; "'Spridgets'" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Turkey sounds good, but there has to be a ban on you buying any more cars to work on or finding any in storage units you forgot about. There is always the white Midget to work on, at least it is a Spridget. Larry's Bugeye is next. Actually, it was an enjoyable weekend. I got to meet quite a few really nice guys that I have only known from this list and got to help WST sort out some of his stuff. It was rather pleasant not to have to think about all I have going on. And, I have to agree with Chris, Saturday was almost perfect weather, although, about the only time he saw the sun was when he came out from under the BMW for lunch. Yes, some of us had a beer with our brats. Beer and brats, it's aWisconsin thing, dontcha know. Neil ============= Hey, my Bugeye has been in queue longer than Mary's Midget. ;-) Flounder, if you wanna do a turkey next time, let me know and I'll bring my big smoker over. We can do a couple of them on that -- three if they are small. Nothing like a smoked turkey. Neil, it was good to meet you this weekend. LAD From refisk at chartermi.net Mon Mar 23 19:03:26 2009 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:03:26 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu><19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <005501c9ac24$b8697950$6401a8c0@refisk> It's on the laundry detergent aisle at the local grocery store. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Masquelier" Cc: "spridget list" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > OK- who is the chemical expert who can tell me why we need washing soda > for > the electrolysis? I can't find washing soda to save my life and just > wonder > why a teaspoon of common table salt per gallon of water wouldn't work > properly? > BillM From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 19:09:02 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:09:02 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C840BE.5080103@comcast.net> Billy Zoom wrote: > > > 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew > up with is the best. > > Billy I had a round reddish thing with white goo on it out in CA, My brother lives out there too and You guys don't have a clue as to what pizza is. I have had deep dish in Chi town, I like it. I have had chain store pizza, it's all crap. I have a dozen or so pizza shops with in a 5 mile radius of my house, some are good, some are crap. ALL are better than what I had out west. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Mar 23 19:08:03 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:08:03 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <49C83C2C.1010604@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > Yes, St. Louis pizza is excellent, but an acquired taste. > It's very thin Oh, not so...at least not in the past. The BEST deep pan for many years was from Talayna's in St. Louis. I was seriously bummed when they changed ownership and recipes last year. There was even a Talayna's on the Sunset Strip in Hollywood back in the Seventies, with L.A. Blues singer Top Jimmy in the kitchen...hence the Van Halen song "Top Jimmy Cooks". Unfortunately, Orson Welles ended up eating himself to death on Jimmy's deep pan pizza. I actually took a call from Orson once when he called to enquire as to whether or not Jimmy was cooking that night. We used to have half a dozen Talayna's pies delivered to the venue whenever we played St. Louis. It's something I really miss. The "new" Talayna's is pretty mediocre. BZ From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 19:13:27 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:13:27 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <49C841C7.1080805@comcast.net> Bill Masquelier wrote: > OK- wonder why a teaspoon of common table salt per gallon of water wouldn't work > properly? > > Salt, Water, and Steel Think about that for a second. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From dwramsey at att.net Mon Mar 23 19:13:54 2009 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:13:54 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090324031252.59F0A187661@autox.team.net> Hey man everybody knows that avocado, artichoke, gouda cheese & Ahi, on thin wheat crust. One of the few good things in Kalifornia for sure dude. Crash > Genoa probably learned about pizza f 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but not until the Seventies. 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew up with is the best. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 19:19:28 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <20090324031252.59F0A187661@autox.team.net> References: <20090324031252.59F0A187661@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903231919x2d30ef0u9e61f6eab973bc06@mail.gmail.com> Yeech!! You left coasters don't know the difference between a Pizza and a salad!! Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:13 PM, David Ramsey wrote: > Hey man everybody knows that avocado, artichoke, gouda cheese & Ahi, on > thin > wheat crust. One of the few good things in Kalifornia for sure dude. > Crash > > > > Genoa probably learned about pizza f > 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but not until the > Seventies. > 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. > > 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. > > 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever pizza they grew > up with is the best. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 23 20:29:15 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:29:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <49C841C7.1080805@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> Your VERY best buddy, Frank ????? From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 19:28:26 2009 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:28:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C8454A.4060105@sbcglobal.net> Ah, Talayna's! I had forgotten about them. They were indeed excellent. New owners not only messed up the recipes, but they turned the place into a roach motel. They're off my list of haunts. Billy Zoom wrote: >> Yes, St. Louis pizza is excellent, but an acquired taste. >> It's very thin > Oh, not so...at least not in the past. The BEST deep pan for many years was > from Talayna's in St. Louis. I was seriously bummed when they changed > ownership and recipes last year. There was even a Talayna's on the Sunset > Strip in Hollywood back in the Seventies, with L.A. Blues singer Top Jimmy > in the kitchen...hence the Van Halen song "Top Jimmy Cooks". > Unfortunately, Orson Welles ended up eating himself to death on Jimmy's deep > pan pizza. I actually took a call from Orson once when he called to enquire > as to whether or not Jimmy was cooking that night. > We used to have half a dozen Talayna's pies delivered to the venue whenever > we played St. Louis. It's something I really miss. The "new" Talayna's is > pretty mediocre. > BZ From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 19:33:08 2009 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:33:08 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolysis Rust Removal In-Reply-To: References: <831169.33397.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DDF1509-EE33-4CB3-9EC4-2F2D03CFCA31@gmail.com> On Mar 22, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > > Chromium is extremely toxic > > There is a caution against using stainless steel for the > sacrificial plates because of its chromium content. Michael is correct here! Using Stainless steel will produce nasty stuff. I wear rubber gloves when I use Stainless steel as an anode because you end up with (poisonous) chromates in your electrolyte. (Actually, I use gloves any time I reach into the tanks). Just for clarification - The gasses produced during electrolysis are: hydrogen from the cathode (-) (or the part we are cleaning). And oxygen from the anode (+) (or the sacrificial electrode). Electrolytic cleaning should be done in a ventilated area. Kevin V. From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 19:42:53 2009 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <969F6092-17FD-4E37-86FE-4FA3DEB42EAC@gmail.com> On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Bill Masquelier wrote: > I can't find washing soda to save my life Bill, If you can't find washing soda you can make your own; Spread baking soda out onto a cookie sheet and bake it in the oven at 325 degrees for an hour. Water and CO2 will be driven off, making washing soda out of the baking soda. Kevin V. From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 19:48:01 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <591629.17351.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I get around plenty. You're wrong. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Billy Zoom wrote: > From: Billy Zoom > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>, "Spridgets" > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:31 PM > > Genoa probably learned about > pizza f > 1. The Italians learned about pizza from the Americans, but > not until the > Seventies. > 2. All NY pizza tastes the same, which is mediocre. > > 3. The world's best pizza is in St. Louis and Chicago. > > 4. People who don't get around much tend to think whatever > pizza they grew > up with is the best. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 19:54:34 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: <591629.17351.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com>; "Spridgets" ; "Billy Zoom" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 I get around plenty. You're wrong. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog ================== Ron, I've never had one of your NY pizza's -- never been to New York, but the next time you get to Chicago try a Gino's or Lou Malnati's. Tell me that's not a good pie. And, no, it's not casserole. LAD From billmasq at hotmail.com Mon Mar 23 19:55:58 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <969F6092-17FD-4E37-86FE-4FA3DEB42EAC@gmail.com> References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <969F6092-17FD-4E37-86FE-4FA3DEB42EAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all for this info- I will first try Paul A's suggestion of Fred Meyer (local chain) then bake off the baking soda if necessary. Thanks! Bill CC: spridgets at autox.team.net From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:42:53 -0400 To: billmasq at hotmail.com On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Bill Masquelier wrote: I can't find washing soda to save my life Bill, If you can't find washing soda you can make your own; Spread baking soda out onto a cookie sheet and bake it in the oven at 325 degrees for an hour. Water and CO2 will be driven off, making washing soda out of the baking soda. Kevin V. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 20:01:37 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Spark plugs and altitude Message-ID: <590610.32412.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: Larry Daniels > Whoa, guys. We are still > talking about NGKs, right? With NGK a smaller > number is a hotter plug. If a 6 is too hot, a 5 is > worse. LAD, We (I) think that despite the 6's being somewhat warm, JLC's running rich, so we want to go hotter plug with a lower number. Ron From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 20:06:39 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <672020.32771.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Larry Daniels wrote: > the next time you get to Chicago try a Gino's or Lou > Malnati's. Tell me > that's not a good pie. And, no, it's not casserole. I've had both. We also have a Giordano's here. Allora, tutti i gusti son' gusti. Rinaldo From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 23 21:14:34 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:14:34 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Well Larry, that's not the BEST word to call it but IS close !!! Ugh ! From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 20:13:53 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Hey Flounder...Re: SOS 09 Message-ID: <452735.81154.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Somewhere you've gotta post the pic of that particular rear axle with the high tech mods...the special spring mounts and custom spacers... Ron From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 20:16:03 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:16:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 References: Message-ID: <8AE26B19053347CC9AE07EC0D16E1559@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: "Larry Daniels" ; "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [Spridgets] SOS 09 <> Well Larry, that's not the BEST word to call it but IS close !!! Ugh ! ================ Well, Ed, try it before you start drinking which I guess would mean for breakfast. From mdrowe at optonline.net Mon Mar 23 20:22:34 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:22:34 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <49C840BE.5080103@comcast.net> References: <49C840BE.5080103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <394281DF9B414ACDB0DF683C78F99E7F@Home> You haven't come close to really bad pizza until you try it with pineapple on the Island of Kauai. Truly repulsive. Michael Rowe From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 23 21:38:44 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:38:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <8AE26B19053347CC9AE07EC0D16E1559@Larry> Message-ID: <> Could be if it's a nite like Tuesday's; IN bed at 11:15PM, UP for duration at 1:15AM. Now if it's like LAST night, in bed at 11:25PM, UP for duration at 5:00AM so then it is around lunch. All other "sleep variations" you could possible NOT want to even dream about. Pain is ZERO different than at Blackhawk last summer when I came up to meet Buster and settled for YOU & Ron (who recognized License Plate then car IMMEDIATELY - well 4 -5 second delay). PPP, I already knew & had met!! For those 'in the know' Vicodine 10/325 tabs x 2 x 6/24hrs. And that don't always git 'er did!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 24 03:23:42 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:23:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Shit !! Message-ID: Fergots ya, Larry. Actually have already replied to two eMails. Check Time of Post!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 24 03:55:29 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:55:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <394281DF9B414ACDB0DF683C78F99E7F@Home> Message-ID: <> Different Island Michael, but you are FAR TOO CORRECT !!!!!! G*d it was an AWFUL lookin' thing !!!!! I had MANAGED to FORGET the dam*ed thing until YOU (pun INTENDED) 'brought it up'!!! Woooooooof!!!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 24 03:58:42 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:58:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <20090324031252.59F0A187661@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <> If you are gonna 'try' Crash, to make everybody HURL - at Least ya oughta get it right !!!! " ...fer sure, dude! " From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 24 04:04:11 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:04:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: <361769E7243D47F8B0634B95343AB4BD@Larry> Message-ID: <> Sure is. Gots one of those 32,000 gallon PsOS !!! ONLY 'bonus' is that the pump (240VDC) runs on the Shop's Meter which IS Commercial Rate!! Just 'endearing', huh? <> Yep, WILL have it - but in a quantity that will NOT get used up (unless yer Frank) in a 'life time' of Parts Resto(s). <> Lord NO!!! Crude is Gold Plated !!!!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 24 04:05:50 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:05:50 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A-Series Engine better exploded views? In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903231749p7b818bdbk81d83478db03d261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the SECONDARY plug, Hal.... <<(or Just Ed,>> actually, IN stock! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 24 04:08:30 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:08:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Drive Shaft Installation In-Reply-To: <402188520903231414i36f8854eyfa790a7aefa6cf4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Seen one, David. From grday at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 03:16:52 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:16:52 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu><19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <969F6092-17FD-4E37-86FE-4FA3DEB42EAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can't help but think why you would want to drive the water off before the process to put it back into water for the process. Surely the CO2 doesn't do much. Help??? Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Valentine" To: "Bill Masquelier" Cc: "spridget list" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Bill Masquelier wrote: >> I can't find washing soda to save my life > > > Bill, > > If you can't find washing soda you can make your own; > > Spread baking soda out onto a cookie sheet and bake it in the oven at > 325 degrees for an hour. Water and CO2 will be driven off, making > washing soda out of the baking soda. > > Kevin V. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 24 04:23:56 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:23:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: [midgetsprite] Color of Original Fan Blades on a 59Bugeye In-Reply-To: <91A90D79B90B4C9CBFE592BF2F173464@blackbox2> Message-ID: <> Morris Green, Dean !!!! !!!!! From wsthompson at thicko.com Tue Mar 24 03:50:59 2009 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <591629.17351.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <591629.17351.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006601c9ac6e$6cbbd940$46338bc0$@com> I wish you guys would rename the thread to Pizza 09 or something.... > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Soave > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:48 PM > To: David Lieb; Spridgets; Billy Zoom > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 > > I get around plenty. You're wrong. > > Ron Soave > "That which you manifest is > before you" - Enzo the dog > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Billy Zoom > wrote: From healeyrick at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 03:55:54 2009 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (Rick Neville) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0903231654q2c18aa1fld8aced5d56033952@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81288.71222.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OR ,,,,, from the Nasty Boys division: www.monstermiata.com Rick --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Matt Hagopian wrote: From: Matt Hagopian Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! To: "Lester" Cc: "spridget list" Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:54 PM I have a miata... with 250whp in it!!! if you have any questions I might be of assitance!! short list of mods.. 1.5" lower springs gab shocks racing beat sway bars hye-dra-cyl brakes motor: t3/t4 ball bearing turbo .49 A/R 500cc injectors O-ringed the head FMIC 11x17x3 exedy stage 3 clutch Coolant Re-route (very important!!!!) upgraded radiator lots of duct work Link ECU I have lots of pictures if u want any! On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lester wrote: > Yup, my wife, after 20 years driving the "mommie van" got a new car, a > Miata GT with the folding hardtop. When looking for cars, we went to the > dealer that handles Porsche, Audi, Mazda, her firs words were, "It's smiling > at me!" I muttered something about the Bugeye and so did she.. anyway any > info, help, places to get go faster bits.. oh yea,... > > > > > > > > > > > > .. it's an automatic.. > > Lester > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mhagopian at hoppetool.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 24 05:29:59 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:29:59 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS pizza 09 In-Reply-To: <591629.17351.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <591629.17351.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does your wife know? > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:48:01 -0700 > > I get around plenty. You're wrong. > > Ron Soave From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 08:08:06 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! Message-ID: <619011.90282.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's where I got my roll bar from. Well built, very heavy duty, and much less expensive than the Hard Dog equivalent. - David --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Rick Neville wrote: From: Rick Neville Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! To: "Lester" , "Matt Hagopian" Cc: "spridget list" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 5:55 AM OR ,,,,, from the Nasty Boys division: www.monstermiata.com Rick --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Matt Hagopian wrote: From: Matt Hagopian Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! To: "Lester" Cc: "spridget list" Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:54 PM I have a miata... with 250whp in it!!! if you have any questions I might be of assitance!! short list of mods.. 1.5" lower springs gab shocks racing beat sway bars hye-dra-cyl brakes motor: t3/t4 ball bearing turbo .49 A/R 500cc injectors O-ringed the head FMIC 11x17x3 exedy stage 3 clutch Coolant Re-route (very important!!!!) upgraded radiator lots of duct work Link ECU I have lots of pictures if u want any! On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lester wrote: > Yup, my wife, after 20 years driving the "mommie van" got a new car, a > Miata GT with the folding hardtop. When looking for cars, we went to the > dealer that handles Porsche, Audi, Mazda, her firs words were, "It's smiling > at me!" I muttered something about the Bugeye and so did she.. anyway any > info, help, places to get go faster bits.. oh yea,... > > > > > > > > > > > > .. it's an automatic.. > > Lester > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mhagopian at hoppetool.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 24 08:28:40 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:28:40 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Delivery Message-ID: <076331B6E5174F9093FD8D199990F260@Home> I need to deliver some parts to Frank. Anyone traveling from near Long Island to near Toms River in the next month or so please contact me of list. Michael Rowe From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 24 09:02:03 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:02:03 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer In-Reply-To: <2081589816-1237654375-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-841610651-@bxe1200.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2081589816-1237654375-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-841610651-@bxe1200.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <47AF5858E9794D7089A5AB566D0FACCD@Home> My trip odometer will not zero. On the far left of the wheels is a white plastic spacer with a notch that engages a pawl in the plastic housing. That pawl has become too stiff with age to release from the notch with ordinary force and the shaft won't turn at all. The only thing I can think of is to grind one or the other down to reduce the friction. Any other suggestions? Any repair sites other than Anthony Rhodes? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Bugeye in contract Long Island, NY From richb at u.washington.edu Tue Mar 24 09:26:02 2009 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:26:02 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer References: <2081589816-1237654375-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-841610651-@bxe1200.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <47AF5858E9794D7089A5AB566D0FACCD@Home> Message-ID: Michael I don't know anything about this company, but they may be able to source the pats you need. http://www.nisonger.com/index.htm Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: ; "spridget Chat Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer > My trip odometer will not zero. On the far left of the wheels is a white > plastic spacer with a notch that engages a pawl in the plastic housing. > That pawl has become too stiff with age to release from the notch with > ordinary force and the shaft won't turn at all. The only thing I can > think of is to grind one or the other down to reduce the friction. Any > other suggestions? Any repair sites other than Anthony Rhodes? > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Bugeye in contract > Long Island, NY > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bighealey at charter.net Tue Mar 24 09:56:16 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (bighealey at charter.net) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 9:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090324125616.ROLTH.3172796.root@mp11> I used these guys for my Healey Tack and Speedo. Great work. Call first and they will tell you how to measure for recalibration if yours is off due to different rear end / 5 speed / tires etc....... ---- Richard Ball wrote: > Michael > I don't know anything about this company, but they may be able to source the > pats you need. > > http://www.nisonger.com/index.htm > > Rich Ball > '76 Midget > Everett, WA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Rowe" > To: ; "spridget Chat Group" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:02 AM > Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer > > > > My trip odometer will not zero. On the far left of the wheels is a white > > plastic spacer with a notch that engages a pawl in the plastic housing. > > That pawl has become too stiff with age to release from the notch with > > ordinary force and the shaft won't turn at all. The only thing I can > > think of is to grind one or the other down to reduce the friction. Any > > other suggestions? Any repair sites other than Anthony Rhodes? > > > > Michael Rowe > > '74 Midget > > '60 Bugeye in contract > > Long Island, NY > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Tue Mar 24 10:35:41 2009 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:35:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] speedo error Message-ID: <67F2FEA5F91C44E58EC55E9273FBC39B@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> When I built the Morris truck, I put in a Datsun 5-sp, swapped a 4.22 RE for the original 4.5, put on 13" Vega wheels instead of the original 14" wheels. Just to complete the stew, I used a speedometer from a late model Morris Minor sedan. All together this should have made the speedometer/odometer a complete joke. With the GPS in the truck yesterday, I found the cummulative effect of all the changes put it right on the money! The speedo is pretty accurate and the odo is on the money. The smaller tires and changed rear end ratio just happened to compensate for the Datsun speedo gear and speedo calibration. Happy day!! Sometimes you get a break! Glen From conan at intrex.net Tue Mar 24 10:37:21 2009 From: conan at intrex.net (conan) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:37:21 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Message-ID: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> MMmmmmmmm... Pizza Hut! My favorite. ;-) Ed in NC From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 10:41:17 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Drive Shaft Install Message-ID: <37dc82d40903241041k43f02397p24ca5e598c59feb@mail.gmail.com> I cut a rectangular hole in the bottom to be able to get to it by hand. . no penalties should be connected to making this easier by doing so. I still had to jostle the prop shaft to get it in correctly. Mine is a driver, a daily driver. . . not intending to have it up for show. Kirk 59 Be From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Mar 24 10:51:12 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Re: speedo error In-Reply-To: <548819086.20090324104406@pacifier.com> References: <67F2FEA5F91C44E58EC55E9273FBC39B@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> <548819086.20090324104406@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <213647929.20090324105112@pacifier.com> Hello Glen, Some times it's better to be lucky...... I on the other hand changed the red thing from a 4.22 to 3.9, after having Paul A. make up the gear drive after the 5 speed swap for 175/70 13s... Anyway, my Odometer is off 15% and the Speedo is off by 7%! Go figure. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" As I said before, I never repeat myself. -- Best regards, Bill mailto:pythias at pacifier.com From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:05:38 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:05:38 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Moss Motors Videos Message-ID: <37dc82d40903241105w42c6faecia58bef49042d12f1@mail.gmail.com> Have you all seen these? Appears that this is a new thing for Moss? http://www.youtube.com/user/MossMotorsCom From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 24 11:08:56 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> Message-ID: <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> Ed, If you ever get out my way, I'll make you pizza that even Frank would like. Kate conan wrote: > MMmmmmmmm... Pizza Hut! My favorite. ;-) > Ed in NC From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:44:58 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:44:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <402188520903241144t7da2569dl702601d9e07d3c98@mail.gmail.com> > If you ever get out my way, I'll make you pizza that even Frank would like. > Kate Sounds like someone is trying to buy votes ;-) Shall we all take her up on it in 2011? From mikey at b2systems.com Tue Mar 24 11:49:08 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> I have refrained from getting into this discussion because Pizza in my house is like religion or politics. Good Pizza is something that most people have never had in their life and if you have then congratulations is in order, for the rest of you...my condolences on never having had Pizza. The usually round, sometimes square cardboard with Ketchup and other garbage on top that 99% of the places in the U.S. make is NOT Pizza. I have had good pizza on the other side of the U.S. a few times, but its hard to find. On this coast (S. Calif.), its impossible to find unless its in MY back yard and the fire is going hot is in my wood burning Pizza oven, yeah, I am that committed to great pizza that I have my own wood burning Pizza oven. Maybe we should have a SOS at my house someday soon :) I have a Spridget motor that needs assembling and fired up. mike From tinydog at snet.net Tue Mar 24 12:17:34 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <174535.56429.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog savors: Pepe's or Sally's on Wooster Street in New Haven --- On Tue, 3/24/09, mike rambour wrote: From: mike rambour Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza To: "Spridgets" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 2:49 PM I have refrained from getting into this discussion because Pizza in my house is like religion or politics. Good Pizza is something that most people have never had in their life and if you have then congratulations is in order, for the rest of you...my condolences on never having had Pizza. The usually round, sometimes square cardboard with Ketchup and other garbage on top that 99% of the places in the U.S. make is NOT Pizza. I have had good pizza on the other side of the U.S. a few times, but its hard to find. On this coast (S. Calif.), its impossible to find unless its in MY back yard and the fire is going hot is in my wood burning Pizza oven, yeah, I am that committed to great pizza that I have my own wood burning Pizza oven. Maybe we should have a SOS at my house someday soon :) I have a Spridget motor that needs assembling and fired up. From ggroiss at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:24:29 2009 From: ggroiss at gmail.com (Gregory Groiss) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:24:29 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <174535.56429.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <174535.56429.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The only good pizza place I knew of was done in by good ol' eminent domain a few years ago despite public protest. It is now a municipal parking lot. The place was called Sciortino's in Perth Amboy, NJ. I heard a relative of the owners reopened a town over but it isn't the same. -g On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:17 PM, wrote: > tinydog savors: > > Pepe's or Sally's on Wooster Street in New Haven > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, mike rambour wrote: > From: mike rambour > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza > To: "Spridgets" > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 2:49 PM > > I have refrained from getting into this discussion because Pizza in my > house is like religion or politics. Good Pizza is something that most > people have never had in their life and if you have then congratulations > is in order, for the rest of you...my condolences on never having had > Pizza. The usually round, sometimes square cardboard with Ketchup and > other garbage on top that 99% of the places in the U.S. make is NOT > Pizza. I have had good pizza on the other side of the U.S. a few times, > but its hard to find. > > On this coast (S. Calif.), its impossible to find unless its in MY back > yard and the fire is going hot is in my wood burning Pizza oven, yeah, I > am that committed to great pizza that I have my own wood burning Pizza > oven. > > Maybe we should have a SOS at my house someday soon :) I have a > Spridget motor that needs assembling and fired up. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ggroiss at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 24 12:42:05 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:42:05 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> Message-ID: <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> I'll be there if Madge can be added to the project list. I don't have a pizza oven, but my propane oven does not do a bad job. Since I am allergic to tomatoes, I usually make a white pizza for my own consumption, but I can put together a red sauce that I guarantee does not taste like ketchup. Kate > > Maybe we should have a SOS at my house someday soon :) I have a > Spridget motor that needs assembling and fired up. > > mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:50:56 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:50:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> There is good pizza in Lafayette, LA at Pizza Village. If you go, get a "Dupe Special". It has Pepperoni, Black Pepper, Shrimp, Beef, and maybe a few other things. It is good. A "Landry Speical" is similar but has more vegetable content. It may not be exactly what your personal idea of Pizza should be, but it is good stuff. And, BTW, there ARE more than one form of Pizza that are good. From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 14:29:34 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:29:34 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Check out this pic of the internal door handles on my Bugeye Message-ID: <37dc82d40903241429g1ac0a675i24248cf96d5298cf@mail.gmail.com> List, Check out this door handle treatment that came with my car. Pic showing unusual door handle treatment. The previous owner did this. I guess he was bent on having inside door handles from a 1940's Chevy, or something like that. I thought it might be interesting to show the group. The handles have worked, no problems. The previous owner was also a very tall guy - so he might have felt the need to do this so that he could more easily get out of the car. I heard that he was so tall that his entire head would completely come above the windshield. He unfortunately passed away. . . I bought the car for 4,400 dollars from his brother in law, estate sale. No rust except for the door posts, typical at the bottom. Floors were also still in good shape. Rebuilt 1275 that has served me well. New top that was never installed. Very nice example for the money (at least I thought it was a decent deal). The brother in law who handled the sale is from England. He has restored a number of LBC's as well as a London Taxi cab. So it appears that he knew what he was doing when he rebuilt the engine. Sadly, the owner came down with a brain tumor and passed away with cancer, was never able to enjoy the efforts of the rebuilt 1275. The guy from England and I struck up a friendship. He flys a Mustang II experimental plane. He is in the air it seems nearly every day. He comes up to Vacaville and takes me up once in a while, given that the air is cool enough to get lift with both of us in his very small airplane! You might have to cut and paste it. . . . *http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/75LesPaul/IMG_1877.jpg* Kirk 59BE driven everyday in Nor Cal. PS One day while I was at the Vacaville airport seeing my friend off a guy landed his personal jet. Here comes this unusual arcraft landing in a small airport which basically serves prop driven planes. This guy looked to be in his early 20's - and the jet he was flying was a 1960 Russian MIG trainer. After he landed I went over and took some pics of the thing (which I cannot find). The cockpit instrumentation was very limited in terms of what I expected. He commented that his jet was "extreemly simple and reliable." We also have an Airforce base near the airport. No doubt he must make it very clear who he is when flying near military airspace. I think he can also fly over the air base once he hits a certain altitude. How cool would it be to have a toy like that! From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 14:33:16 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:33:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Check out this pic of the internal door handles on my Bugeye In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903241429g1ac0a675i24248cf96d5298cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903241429g1ac0a675i24248cf96d5298cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903241433o657b0432h6f77c4e6016e9b96@mail.gmail.com> Remove the * and the link works. From pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com Tue Mar 24 14:44:35 2009 From: pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com (Gerard Chateauvieux) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for good quality baulk rings for '74 Midget trans Message-ID: <979F3537-BC99-4B18-9FB3-355B8B744C46@gerardsgarage.com> Does anyone know if the baulk rings from Moss or VB are the better quality ones (somehow I doubt it). Can anyone point me to a US source for the good ones? I need them right away. Please reply to me directly as well as the list since some mail comes in Digest form. Thanks Gerard From billmasq at hotmail.com Tue Mar 24 15:47:20 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:47:20 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal In-Reply-To: References: <7lku3e$5r12gq@email.mtu.edu> <19F0B94B-B4E2-4AC6-8D5F-25C3AD1DA1E7@gmail.com> <00bd01c9abc1$be775820$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <969F6092-17FD-4E37-86FE-4FA3DEB42EAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes- for those in the Northwest Fred Meyer has washing soda, got some today Bill > From: billmasq at hotmail.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:55:58 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > > Thanks to all for this info- > I will first try Paul A's suggestion of Fred Meyer (local chain) then bake off > the baking soda if necessary. > Thanks! > Bill > > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrolytic Rust Removal > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:42:53 -0400 > To: billmasq at hotmail.com > > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Bill Masquelier wrote: I can't find washing soda > to save my life > > Bill, > If you can't find washing soda you can make your own; > Spread baking soda out onto a cookie sheet and bake it in the oven at 325 > degrees for an hour. Water and CO2 will be driven off, making washing soda > out of the baking soda. > Kevin V. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. > http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From billmasq at hotmail.com Tue Mar 24 15:57:24 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer In-Reply-To: References: <2081589816-1237654375-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-841610651-@bxe1200.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <47AF5858E9794D7089A5AB566D0FACCD@Home> Message-ID: When I had this problem I just put some 3-in-1 oil on the part and waited a few hours and then carefully started exercising the unit, started working after a few minutes of that and now works perfectly in my car. Bill > From: richb at u.washington.edu > To: mdrowe at optonline.net; midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:26:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Trip odometer > > Michael > I don't know anything about this company, but they may be able to source the > pats you need. > > http://www.nisonger.com/index.htm > > Rich Ball > '76 Midget > Everett, WA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Rowe" > To: ; "spridget Chat Group" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:02 AM > Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer > > > > My trip odometer will not zero. On the far left of the wheels is a white > > plastic spacer with a notch that engages a pawl in the plastic housing. > > That pawl has become too stiff with age to release from the notch with > > ordinary force and the shaft won't turn at all. The only thing I can > > think of is to grind one or the other down to reduce the friction. Any > > other suggestions? Any repair sites other than Anthony Rhodes? > > > > Michael Rowe > > '74 Midget > > '60 Bugeye in contract > > Long Island, NY > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From wmgilroy at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 17:17:52 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:17:52 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> Not pizza. There are two types, what you get in NY metro area and in Chicago. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:50 PM, derf wrote: > There is good pizza in Lafayette, LA at Pizza Village. > If you go, get a "Dupe Special". It has Pepperoni, Black Pepper, > Shrimp, Beef, and maybe a few other things. > It is good. A "Landry Speical" is similar but has more vegetable content. > It may not be exactly what your personal idea of Pizza should be, but > it is good stuff. > > And, BTW, there ARE more than one form of Pizza that are good. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Their mythology starts with the false premise that these are irreplaceable geniuses Andrew Cuomo speaking about AIG executives From wmgilroy at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 17:19:46 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:19:46 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 In-Reply-To: <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> References: <664771.55538.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54E095950EF84117B5F273D3574EE5A4@rwa> <00AAC3785917419E8424FB51EB8899C9@Larry> <49C45CC3.3080302@comcast.net> Message-ID: <441250190903241719ieb36d87p4afca6fd925ea482@mail.gmail.com> It is better. We try to make a trip to Trenton each time we are back. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Frank wrote: > Larry Daniels wrote: > >> >> Us, who know a good Chicago Pizza, vs those right coast pretenders. >> >> >> > > Deep Dish PIZZA is fine, I have had it. > But nobody beats a good ole TOMATO PIE. > This crust, no grease dripping off it, not alot of cheese. > Tomato Pie, it ain't pizza. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Their mythology starts with the false premise that these are irreplaceable geniuses Andrew Cuomo speaking about AIG executives From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 17:23:35 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:23:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> According to MW, it is: pizB7za \KpDt-sI\ Function: noun Etymology: Italian, perhaps of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German bizzo, pizzo bite, bit, bD+zan to bite b more at bite Date: 1845 : a dish made typically of flattened bread dough spread with a savory mixture usually including tomatoes and cheese and often other toppings and baked bcalled also pizza pie Or, if your definition of pizza excludes things not made in certain locals, try one of their round dough things with the toppings baked in an oven. From wmgilroy at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 17:28:43 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:28:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> Still not pizza :-) On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:23 PM, derf wrote: > According to MW, it is: > > pizB7za > \KpDt-sI\ > Function: > noun > Etymology: > Italian, perhaps of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German > bizzo, pizzo bite, bit, bD+zan to bite b more at bite > Date: > 1845 > > : a dish made typically of flattened bread dough spread with a savory > mixture usually including tomatoes and cheese and often other toppings > and baked bcalled also pizza pie > > Or, if your definition of pizza excludes things not made in certain > locals, try one of their round dough things with the toppings baked in > an oven. > -- bTheir mythology starts with the false premise that these are irreplaceable geniusesb Andrew Cuomo speaking about AIG executives From bkitterer at me.com Tue Mar 24 18:00:17 2009 From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:00:17 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! In-Reply-To: <81288.71222.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <81288.71222.qm@web51406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85260FAD-34ED-4666-B9C8-21590EB3559F@me.com> Is MonsterMiata still doing Miata's? It was my impression that they had stopped some years back. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:55 AM, Rick Neville wrote: > OR ,,,,, from the Nasty Boys division: > > www.monstermiata.com From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 18:02:11 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:02:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> Where are you and which side were you on during the War or Northern Aggression? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > Still not pizza :-) From bkitterer at me.com Tue Mar 24 18:04:23 2009 From: bkitterer at me.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:04:23 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] speedo error In-Reply-To: <67F2FEA5F91C44E58EC55E9273FBC39B@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <67F2FEA5F91C44E58EC55E9273FBC39B@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <9F1EBD6B-BBCB-43B6-B2D3-58B455510B44@me.com> Must be going around. I put a 3.9 rear end in the Sprite with a standard gear box with a speedo that I knew was off. Did the same type of check recently and found the speedo to be right on. Have not had time to check the odometer yet. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Glen Byrns wrote: > When I built the Morris truck, I put in a Datsun 5-sp, swapped a > 4.22 RE for > the original 4.5, put on 13" Vega wheels instead of the original > 14" wheels. > Just to complete the stew, I used a speedometer from a late model > Morris Minor > sedan. > > All together this should have made the speedometer/odometer a > complete joke. > With the GPS in the truck yesterday, I found the cummulative effect > of all the > changes put it right on the money! The speedo is pretty accurate > and the odo > is on the money. > > The smaller tires and changed rear end ratio just happened to > compensate for > the Datsun speedo gear and speedo calibration. > Happy day!! Sometimes you get a break! > > Glen > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 18:26:45 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] One more thing regarding electronic ignition... References: <67F2FEA5F91C44E58EC55E9273FBC39B@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> <9F1EBD6B-BBCB-43B6-B2D3-58B455510B44@me.com> Message-ID: <8D06878C69BB42EB8C6AE238E279A4FB@blackbox2> This is a nice design. Multiple spark, capacitive discharge. With only minor substitutions all the parts are availible from digikey. It does not conceal inside the distributor like a Pertronix but that's no big deal http://www.molla.org/DIY-CDI/SC-DIY-CDI-article-hires.pdf Article quote: "But some readers were not about to be put off. They wanted a CDI design and they wanted it for a number of reasons... And they wanted them for older cars which don't have lean mixtures and which can be particularly hard, if not impossible, to start when the ignition system gets wet. Old Mini Coopers and 850s are legendary in this regard." From bighealey at charter.net Tue Mar 24 20:31:25 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] A bunch of Midget parts Message-ID: <426DF35285FD4EDBA92D7C4F80AEA75D@TRACY> I finally cleaned out some space. I listed a load of Midget stuff on eBay Shameless Plug http://motors.shop.ebay.com/merchant/y_cart_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZ Tracy From bkitterer at mac.com Tue Mar 24 20:44:39 2009 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:44:39 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Funny story electronic ignition... In-Reply-To: <8D06878C69BB42EB8C6AE238E279A4FB@blackbox2> References: <67F2FEA5F91C44E58EC55E9273FBC39B@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> <9F1EBD6B-BBCB-43B6-B2D3-58B455510B44@me.com> <8D06878C69BB42EB8C6AE238E279A4FB@blackbox2> Message-ID: <944928CB-A967-407C-A868-412D55A82846@mac.com> First I will admit that I have not been following this discussion in detail but was wondering if CDI's were going to appear. Many years ago I built (from someone else plans) a CDI for the Sprite. It put out 300V to a Lucas Sports Coil. If I recall correctly this is about 45,000 volts to the plugs. One foggy morning I was doing a tune up in the garage. While crouched over adjusting the carbs there was this very loud whack from the other side of the engine. Raising the rpm so I could have a look - but there was nothing unusual. So I bent back down and resumed adjusting the carbs - - - whack -- whack. Raising back up there was nothing to be seen. Then while looking over the engine I lowered the rpm - - in the moist air the spark decided that the plug was to much resistance and jumped from the top of the plug to the bottom of the head - whack - whack. I decided that this might not be the best thing to have on the car so removed it although I think it is still in a box in the garage. A few years later CDI became readily available and I used them on most of my cars - great systems. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 24, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Dean Hedin wrote: > This is a nice design. Multiple spark, capacitive discharge. > With only minor substitutions all the parts are availible from > digikey. It does not conceal inside the distributor like a Pertronix > but that's no big deal > > http://www.molla.org/DIY-CDI/SC-DIY-CDI-article-hires.pdf > > Article quote: > > "But some readers were not about to be > put off. They wanted a CDI design and they > wanted it for a number of reasons... And they > wanted them for older cars which don't have lean > mixtures and which can be particularly hard, if not > impossible, to start when the ignition system gets > wet. Old Mini Coopers and 850s are legendary in > this regard." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Tue Mar 24 20:49:28 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:49:28 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Funny story electronic ignition... In-Reply-To: <944928CB-A967-407C-A868-412D55A82846@mac.com> Message-ID: > wondering if CDI's were going to appear Capacitive discharge ignitions are great systems, and light years away from crappy Pertronix modules. From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Mar 24 22:23:08 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:23:08 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs Message-ID: <1129490034.20090324222308@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, I just obtained a tonneau for my '66. I'm lacking the studs across the dash. The fasteners are say lift the dot, but they are NOT tenax. I'm looking for recommendations as to the kind and size studs to install. I see DOT sells 3/8" and 5/8", self threading and machine screw type. Any and all advice welcome. there are already holes in the dash, just nothing there. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Eschew Obfuscation! From healeyrick at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 02:42:39 2009 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (Rick Neville) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! In-Reply-To: <85260FAD-34ED-4666-B9C8-21590EB3559F@me.com> Message-ID: <151974.99849.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Not in the sense that they are building the original Monster Miata edition cars, but owner Martin Wilson sells kits for people to do the conversions on their own. --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Kitterer Bob wrote: From: Kitterer Bob Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! To: "spridget list" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:00 PM Is MonsterMiata still doing Miata's? It was my impression that they had stopped some years back. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:55 AM, Rick Neville wrote: > OR ,,,,, from the Nasty Boys division: > > www.monstermiata.com You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From healeyrick at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 02:42:55 2009 From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (Rick Neville) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! In-Reply-To: <85260FAD-34ED-4666-B9C8-21590EB3559F@me.com> Message-ID: <882624.18331.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Not in the sense that they are building the original Monster Miata edition cars, but owner Martin Wilson sells kits for people to do the conversions on their own. --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Kitterer Bob wrote: From: Kitterer Bob Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! To: "spridget list" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:00 PM Is MonsterMiata still doing Miata's? It was my impression that they had stopped some years back. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:55 AM, Rick Neville wrote: > OR ,,,,, from the Nasty Boys division: > > www.monstermiata.com You are subscribed as healeyrick at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bighealey at charter.net Wed Mar 25 04:46:56 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:46:56 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Funny story electronic ignition... In-Reply-To: <944928CB-A967-407C-A868-412D55A82846@mac.com> Message-ID: Perhaps we could hook it to some insurance execs to get some payback. Whack whack ka-ching whack whack ka-ching Just goes to show you that these little pieces still can come in handy. 45,000 volts you say grin Tracy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kitterer Bob Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:45 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Funny story electronic ignition... First I will admit that I have not been following this discussion in detail but was wondering if CDI's were going to appear. Many years ago I built (from someone else plans) a CDI for the Sprite. It put out 300V to a Lucas Sports Coil. If I recall correctly this is about 45,000 volts to the plugs. One foggy morning I was doing a tune up in the garage. While crouched over adjusting the carbs there was this very loud whack from the other side of the engine. Raising the rpm so I could have a look - but there was nothing unusual. So I bent back down and resumed adjusting the carbs - - - whack -- whack. Raising back up there was nothing to be seen. Then while looking over the engine I lowered the rpm - - in the moist air the spark decided that the plug was to much resistance and jumped from the top of the plug to the bottom of the head - whack - whack. I decided that this might not be the best thing to have on the car so removed it although I think it is still in a box in the garage. A few years later CDI became readily available and I used them on most of my cars - great systems. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 24, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Dean Hedin wrote: > This is a nice design. Multiple spark, capacitive discharge. > With only minor substitutions all the parts are availible from > digikey. It does not conceal inside the distributor like a Pertronix > but that's no big deal > > http://www.molla.org/DIY-CDI/SC-DIY-CDI-article-hires.pdf > > Article quote: > > "But some readers were not about to be > put off. They wanted a CDI design and they > wanted it for a number of reasons... And they > wanted them for older cars which don't have lean > mixtures and which can be particularly hard, if not > impossible, to start when the ignition system gets > wet. Old Mini Coopers and 850s are legendary in > this regard." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 04:50:19 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs In-Reply-To: <1129490034.20090324222308@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hi Bill: You indicated "studs" in plural. There is only one stud over which the tonneau slides on the dash. There is one snap on each side, on the windshield posts and one "lift the dot" type post in the center. Maybe someone has added some more. Speaking of tonneaus, maybe the group will remember that I posted a problem of my tonneau not being wide enough to extend over the doors and snap just below the windows. I guess that was an added feature of some foresighted previous owner of my previous tonneau. Anyway, I took the tonneau to Dayton, Ohio when we visited my Father in law last week. We swung by an MG shop up there (on Wilmington Road, for those of you who know Dayton) and picked up a matching piece of material, and my Father in law sewed extensions onto the sides of my tonneau so that I can add snaps to better secure the tonneau. I really like the extended width, even without having added the snaps yet. --David C. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L" To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:23:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs Hello Spridgets, I just obtained a tonneau for my '66. I'm lacking the studs across the dash. The fasteners are say lift the dot, but they are NOT tenax. I'm looking for recommendations as to the kind and size studs to install. I see DOT sells 3/8" and 5/8", self threading and machine screw type. Any and all advice welcome. there are already holes in the dash, just nothing there. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Eschew Obfuscation! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 05:08:16 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:08:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs In-Reply-To: <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1129490034.20090324222308@pacifier.com> <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: There are two holes on the dash, but only one has the post. This is to accommodate a RHD or LHD tonneau. If you do a conversion to your car, you will have to move the post, as well as the steering wheel. Brad On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:50 AM, wrote: > Hi Bill: > > You indicated "studs" in plural. There is only one stud over which the > tonneau slides on the dash. There is one snap on each side, on the > windshield posts and one "lift the dot" type post in the center. Maybe > someone has added some more. > > Speaking of tonneaus, maybe the group will remember that I posted a problem > of my tonneau not being wide enough to extend over the doors and snap just > below the windows. I guess that was an added feature of some foresighted > previous owner of my previous tonneau. Anyway, I took the tonneau to Dayton, > Ohio when we visited my Father in law last week. We swung by an MG shop up > there (on Wilmington Road, for those of you who know Dayton) and picked up a > matching piece of material, and my Father in law sewed extensions onto the > sides of my tonneau so that I can add snaps to better secure the tonneau. I > really like the extended width, even without having added the snaps yet. > > --David C. > Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill L" > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:23:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs > > Hello Spridgets, > > I just obtained a tonneau for my '66. I'm lacking the studs > across the dash. The fasteners are say lift the dot, but > they are NOT tenax. I'm looking for recommendations as to > the kind and size studs to install. I see DOT sells 3/8" and > 5/8", self threading and machine screw type. Any and all > advice welcome. > > > there are already holes > in the dash, just nothing there. > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > Eschew Obfuscation! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Mar 25 06:09:37 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs In-Reply-To: <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5D56C8F92BEB4085805414591DD87D6E@Home> On this topic: On my '74, I have a turnbuckle placed in the middle of the velcro behind the door where older cars have a Tenex fastener. Is this normal or an add-on? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Bugeye in contract Long Island, NJ From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Mar 25 08:13:42 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:13:42 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs In-Reply-To: <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1129490034.20090324222308@pacifier.com> <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1964897218.20090325081342@pacifier.com> Hello Dlancer7676, Actaully there are FOUR holes in the front, two for each half of the tonneau. FWIW, the snaps to go onto the windscreen post are missing from the tonneau as well.... Still I picked it up for less than $60. It's red (or used to be) to match the car... -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Let your fingers do the talking. From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 08:34:29 2009 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! Message-ID: <733986.18860.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Come to think of it, I seem to remember hearing the same thing. I think that's why I got such a great deal on the roll bar. - David --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Kitterer Bob wrote: From: Kitterer Bob Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Miata owners unite!! To: "spridget list" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 8:00 PM Is MonsterMiata still doing Miata's? It was my impression that they had stopped some years back. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:55 AM, Rick Neville wrote: > OR ,,,,, from the Nasty Boys division: > > www.monstermiata.com You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Mar 25 09:31:46 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:31:46 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Trip odometer In-Reply-To: <733986.18860.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <733986.18860.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CA97684B11341EDB3D8C6656CDB24F4@Home> It didn't seem that anyone was much interested. But I can now report that I have repaired the zeroing mechanism on my trip odometer. It has a plastic pawl on a finger that engages a square notch in one of the wheels. The finger has become so stiff with age that it would no longer release as designed - too much friction from the square shape. So I filed off the release side of the notch at a gentle angle so the paul can make it over with reasonable torque. I can provide a picture and instructions off-list if anyone wants it. Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Bugeye in contract\ Long Island, NY From bkitterer at mac.com Wed Mar 25 10:28:31 2009 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Funny story electronic ignition... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACD1B2E-A337-4528-BFC1-64854265C49C@mac.com> One or our electrical folks probable know the answer to this but as I remember if you have a 100 to 1 coil, 12 volts in is 1200 volts out. The Lucas Sports coil I think was 150 to 1 so 300 volts in is 45,000 volts out. Yikes The unit I built charged up a 300 volt capacitor and then dumped it into the coil. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 25, 2009, at 4:46 AM, Tracy Drummond wrote: > > 45,000 volts you say From wmgilroy at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 11:50:00 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:50:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441250190903251150y6bfbae63t504cf7519cecf031@mail.gmail.com> During that war I was on not even in the country nor were my ancestors. I am from NJ and now live in the Seattle area. I still agree with Cuomo. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:02 PM, derf wrote: > Where are you and which side were you on during the War or Northern > Aggression? > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > > Still not pizza :-) > > > -- Their mythology starts with the false premise that these are irreplaceable geniuses Andrew Cuomo speaking about AIG executives From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 12:16:19 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <441250190903251150y6bfbae63t504cf7519cecf031@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903251150y6bfbae63t504cf7519cecf031@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sure talks like ahh a yanqui.. Lester On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > During that war I was on not even in the country nor were my > ancestors. I > am from NJ and now live in the Seattle area. I still agree with > Cuomo. > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:02 PM, derf wrote: > >> Where are you and which side were you on during the War or Northern >> Aggression? >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Bill Gilroy >> wrote: >>> Still not pizza :-) >>> >> > > > > -- > Their mythology starts with the false premise that these are > irreplaceable > geniuses > > Andrew Cuomo speaking about AIG executives > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:09:51 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:09:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903251150y6bfbae63t504cf7519cecf031@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903251309v45a9d886ld3e57c724abff6fb@mail.gmail.com> Don't know about Bill but I was with the group that staged out of Hue City during the War of Northern Aggression. We lost. Cheers!! Jim On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Lester wrote: > Sure talks like ahh a yanqui.. > > Lester > > > On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > > During that war I was on not even in the country nor were my >> ancestors. I >> am from NJ and now live in the Seattle area. I still agree with >> Cuomo. >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:02 PM, derf wrote: >> >> Where are you and which side were you on during the War or Northern >>> Aggression? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Bill Gilroy >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Still not pizza :-) From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 13:42:50 2009 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs In-Reply-To: <1144768466.1399401238013722865.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1671241381.1399791238013770700.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hmmm--let's see---I think I noted that there was one POST, not one HOLE. 8^). I have yet to see more than one POST. --DavidC. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L" To: dlancer7676 at comcast.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:13:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re[2]: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs Hello Dlancer7676, Actaully there are FOUR holes in the front, two for each half of the tonneau. FWIW, the snaps to go onto the windscreen post are missing from the tonneau as well.... Still I picked it up for less than $60. It's red (or used to be) to match the car... -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Let your fingers do the talking. From grday at btinternet.com Wed Mar 25 15:00:22 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:00:22 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Another car that flies .... References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net><49C921B8.8030208@frontiernet.net><1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser><49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net><5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com><441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com><441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com><5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903251150y6bfbae63t504cf7519cecf031@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9EF0C917D8314F6BBC9104E9AD19B36E@dell330> http://www.terrafugia.com/videogallery.html Guy R Day From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 16:03:55 2009 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:03:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs In-Reply-To: <1964897218.20090325081342@pacifier.com> References: <1129490034.20090324222308@pacifier.com> <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1964897218.20090325081342@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Actaully there are FOUR holes in the front, two for each half of the tonneau. FWIW, the snaps to go onto the windscreen post are missing from the tonneau as well.... Still I picked it up for less than $60. It's red (or used to be) to match the car... Best regards, Bill L. Bill et al, The 67 parts car that I will be sending the studs from has four studs (posts) across the front of the dash cowl. These studs (or posts) are larger in diameter than the Tenax (Lift the Dot) fasteners on the back sides of the top. If my memory is any good, the fasteners are flat with a hole in the middle and they have spring wires in them to clamp to the studs. There are also snaps on each side of the inside of the windshield frame. -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From billmasq at hotmail.com Wed Mar 25 16:58:01 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:58:01 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903251309v45a9d886ld3e57c724abff6fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903251150y6bfbae63t504cf7519cecf031@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0903251309v45a9d886ld3e57c724abff6fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My ancestors were working hard to protect Mobile and New Orleans! So why am I now as far away as is possible to be ?!!? (not by choice!!) BillM > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:09:51 -0500 > From: bmwwxman at gmail.com > To: oldsaabguy at comcast.net > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS 09 Pizza > > Don't know about Bill but I was with the group that staged out of Hue City > during the War of Northern Aggression. We lost. > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Lester wrote: > > > Sure talks like ahh a yanqui.. > > > > Lester > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > > > > During that war I was on not even in the country nor were my > >> ancestors. I > >> am from NJ and now live in the Seattle area. I still agree with > >> Cuomo. > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:02 PM, derf wrote: > >> > >> Where are you and which side were you on during the War or Northern > >>> Aggression? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Bill Gilroy > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Still not pizza :-) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Get quick access to your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 17:54:17 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tonneau studs In-Reply-To: <1964897218.20090325081342@pacifier.com> References: <1129490034.20090324222308@pacifier.com> <1600363097.1091431237981819409.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1964897218.20090325081342@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <49CAD239.7040004@comcast.net> Bill L wrote: > Actaully there are FOUR holes in the front, two for each half of > the tonneau. > > Bill There are 4 holes on the 65-67, And there are lift the dots AND tenax fasteners on the Sprites. Lift-The-Dot is what was across the front, 4 studs (lift the dot studs, NOT Tenax studs) You want the machine screw type as the sheet metal type will pull out or loosen up. If you have a marine store near by, they should have them. Do watch as some of them these days have metric threads, not a problem if you get the nuts for them but the normal 10/32 nuts from a part bin will not fit the new metric machine studs. Lift the dot studs are about 5/8" tall, or almost twice as tall as the tenax studs. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 19:56:12 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:56:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance Message-ID: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody know how to figure under bonnet clearance on a FROG AYE? I am trying to decide if I can build a cold air box for FROG AYE, but have no Idea how much clearance I have. I am using 3" K&N filters (6" dia) and the edge of the filters is just about 1/4" higher than the top of the oil filler cap. Any techniques for figuring how much room I have to play with will be greatly appreciated. Hal From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 20:07:30 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:07:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CAF172.9050908@comcast.net> Hal Faulkner wrote: > Does anybody know how to figure under bonnet clearance on a FROG AYE? I am > trying to decide if I can build a cold air box for FROG AYE, but have no > Idea how much clearance I have. I am using 3" K&N filters (6" dia) and the > edge of the filters is just about 1/4" higher than the top of the oil filler > cap. Any techniques for figuring how much room I have to play with will be > greatly appreciated. > Hal > > I can take some measurements as I have an engineless Bugeye in my garage with the bonnet on it. Say frame rails to underside at various spots. Maybe some one with an engine in theirs can measure those same points to the oil cap and we can calculate what is left. I'll measure mine tomorrow. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 20:10:31 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:10:31 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Measurement needed Message-ID: <49CAF227.7090308@comcast.net> Can someone tell me how big the aluminum blocks under the bonnet buffer pyramids are? I am sure I can make them. I am not worried about the lip off to the side just how thick and maybe width & length of the block. I have the rubber pyramids, but I do not have those aluminum blocks for under the pyramids. Thanks -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From froggi60 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 20:26:37 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903252026y1504a051j5a50582d05c9f803@mail.gmail.com> Hal, Use soft, modeling clay on top of highest part of engine. Start with small piece, increase until it shows signs of contact. Herb On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Hal Faulkner wrote: > Does anybody know how to figure under bonnet clearance on a FROG AYE? I am > trying to decide if I can build a cold air box for FROG AYE, but have no > Idea how much clearance I have. I am using 3" K&N filters (6" dia) and the > edge of the filters is just about 1/4" higher than the top of the oil > filler > cap. Any techniques for figuring how much room I have to play with will be > greatly appreciated. > Hal From shop at justbrits.com Wed Mar 25 21:29:53 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:29:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Measurement needed In-Reply-To: <49CAF227.7090308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> 4" x 4" painted alum. colour, Frank. Then just plane the bottoms to fit !!! POC PPP From froggi60 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 20:37:25 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:37:25 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Another car that flies .... In-Reply-To: <9EF0C917D8314F6BBC9104E9AD19B36E@dell330> References: <200903241337.AA292814996@intrex.net> <1237920548.6719.16.camel@WebBrowser> <49C9378D.4030608@frontiernet.net> <5f00d9910903241250u78fc2621mf8611a30a7b5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241717t23766f9ep863e0ae8960b4224@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241723v6ad7550etaed248eec1a898@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903241728s22e012bbjb2014f7e50fb992@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903241802u6bf546a9ie496f06ab2630b65@mail.gmail.com> <441250190903251150y6bfbae63t504cf7519cecf031@mail.gmail.com> <9EF0C917D8314F6BBC9104E9AD19B36E@dell330> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903252037v2a8d9d1aw9e47663ecc73a063@mail.gmail.com> Robert Cummings would be envious...for those of you old enough to remember the TV show. From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 20:38:59 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:38:59 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Measurement needed In-Reply-To: References: <49CAF227.7090308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4333f8140903252038n4edd5c4btd2c3181971120eef@mail.gmail.com> Frank, On FROG AYE they are 1.88" long x 1.106" wide x .70 high. The lips appear to be identical and are .144" thick (included in the width measurement) x .098 high. Hal 2009/3/25 Ed's Shop > <> > > 4" x 4" painted alum. colour, Frank. > Then just plane the bottoms to fit !!! > > POC > > PPP > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 20:47:52 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Measurement needed References: <49CAF227.7090308@comcast.net> Message-ID: 1 -7/8 " X 1-3/32" X 11/16" This is the dimension of the block ignoring the lip. I'm not sure they are aluminum. Looks like a zinc "pot metal" alloy.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Measurement needed > Can someone tell me how big the aluminum blocks under the bonnet buffer > pyramids are? > I am sure I can make them. > I am not worried about the lip off to the side just how thick and maybe > width & length of the block. > I have the rubber pyramids, but I do not have those aluminum blocks for > under the pyramids. > > Thanks From wbmcleod at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 20:52:55 2009 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (Bill McLeod) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:52:55 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CAFC17.3090707@gmail.com> Take crushable light weight foam, lay on top, lower hood (er, bonnet). Bill Hal Faulkner wrote: > Does anybody know how to figure under bonnet clearance on a FROG AYE? I am > trying to decide if I can build a cold air box for FROG AYE, but have no > Idea how much clearance I have. I am using 3" K&N filters (6" dia) and the > edge of the filters is just about 1/4" higher than the top of the oil filler > cap. Any techniques for figuring how much room I have to play with will be > greatly appreciated. > Hal > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wbmcleod at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Mar 25 21:31:54 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:31:54 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Spiting cards... update... Message-ID: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net> The 1.25" HS-2 carbs behaviour was still odd.... still not synchronising like I've been used too. Weird idle behviour. So.... I decided to go back to square one and not take anything for granted.... I disconnected everything and gave everything a much closer physical examination Lo and Behold!!! Looking down, the rear carb's throttle spindle can be moved vertically at least 1/16" only on the left side of the body ... I'd been checking the right side only... it is easier to see when the carb is on the motor!! So, when the throttle is opening, the left side lifts up by that amount before the butterfly starts to rotate -- !*&*%$@ and a few other descriptive words!! The bad one is an AED328R - solid butterfly. I have a spare AED549R 1.25" rear cab with a good spindle that has the poppet valve which has been soldered shut (and very badly done). My question is... Are the carb bodies, the big bottom bits, interchangeable?? They *seem* to be identical... Can I swap the body (the bit that holds the jets, butterflies, etc) from the spare to the one in the car, swap the butterflies, etc., and get myself a useable carb?? I'd keep the jets, needles, piston, etc as is from the one on the car. My alternative is that I do have a Weber DGEV from a running 1275 with a Manifold that I can put on... I just have to fabricate the bits and pieces for the choke and throttle cables?? Suggestions?? Opinions?? ...Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From frog.aye at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 21:42:26 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:42:26 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Spiting cards... update... In-Reply-To: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <4333f8140903252142k66e4c70fr80058fa20a75b6e8@mail.gmail.com> Dave, I would bet that the carb body is not the problem. The throttle shafts are softer than the bodies and on two pairs of carbs that I have disassembled the shafts were visibly worn. You can see and feel the step where the shaft is worn. So if you have a good shaft you can probabaly switch shafts and solve th problem. Or, call your favorite usual suspect and order up a pair of shafts, 'cuz if one is worn the other one is most likely worn as well. Hal the rear carb's throttle spindle can > be moved vertically at least 1/16" only on the left side of the body > ... > > My question is... Are the carb bodies, the big bottom bits, > interchangeable?? They *seem* to be identical... > > Can I swap the body (the bit that holds the jets, butterflies, etc) > from the spare to the one in the car, swap the butterflies, etc., > a > Suggestions?? Opinions?? > > > ...Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > > If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still > alive !! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as frog.aye at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Mar 25 23:26:48 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:26:48 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Spiting cards... update... In-Reply-To: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <119833441.20090325232648@pacifier.com> Hello Dave, I'll be paying attention to your replies on this one.... I've been under the impression, however misguided, that the bodies of all HS-2s were the same and differences were in the spring and needle as fitted from the factory. That is that the AUD # simply referenced the spring and needle combination. (ignoring completely the solid vs spring butterfly thingy) -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Laetrile is the pits. From jimndi at frontiernet.net Thu Mar 26 04:24:30 2009 From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim F.) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance References: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do it with modeling clay much as you would check overhead valve to piston clearance. It may not allow for an accurate measuring, but it will let you know when there is no clearance by an impression in the clay. 1960 Bugeye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Faulkner" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance > Does anybody know how to figure under bonnet clearance on a FROG AYE? I > am > trying to decide if I can build a cold air box for FROG AYE, but have no > Idea how much clearance I have. I am using 3" K&N filters (6" dia) and > the > edge of the filters is just about 1/4" higher than the top of the oil > filler > cap. Any techniques for figuring how much room I have to play with will > be > greatly appreciated. > Hal > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimndi at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2023 - Release Date: 03/25/09 18:54:00 From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 05:12:07 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:12:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Check out this pic of the internal door handles on my Bugeye In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903241429g1ac0a675i24248cf96d5298cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903241429g1ac0a675i24248cf96d5298cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205cef430903260512td765b87h70e00527e44ebdc@mail.gmail.com> Very interesting. Thanks for the pict too. Lin On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > List, > > Check out this door handle treatment that came with my car. > > > Pic showing unusual door handle treatment. The previous owner did this. I > guess he was bent on having inside door handles from a 1940's Chevy, or > something like that. > > I thought it might be interesting to show the group. The handles have > worked, no problems. > > The previous owner was also a very tall guy - so he might have felt the > need > to do this so that he could more easily get out of the car. I heard that > he > was so tall that his entire head would completely come above the > windshield. He unfortunately passed away. . . I bought the car for 4,400 > dollars from his brother in law, estate sale. No rust except for the door > posts, typical at the bottom. Floors were also still in good shape. > Rebuilt 1275 that has served me well. New top that was never installed. > Very nice example for the money (at least I thought it was a decent deal). > > The brother in law who handled the sale is from England. He has restored a > number of LBC's as well as a London Taxi cab. So it appears that he knew > what he was doing when he rebuilt the engine. > > Sadly, the owner came down with a brain tumor and passed away with cancer, > was never able to enjoy the efforts of the rebuilt 1275. > > The guy from England and I struck up a friendship. He flys a Mustang II > experimental plane. He is in the air it seems nearly every day. He comes > up to Vacaville and takes me up once in a while, given that the air is cool > enough to get lift with both of us in his very small airplane! > > You might have to cut and paste it. . . . > > *http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/75LesPaul/IMG_1877.jpg* > > > Kirk > 59BE driven everyday in Nor Cal. > > > PS > One day while I was at the Vacaville airport seeing my friend off a guy > landed his personal jet. Here comes this unusual arcraft landing in a > small > airport which basically serves prop driven planes. > > This guy looked to be in his early 20's - and the jet he was flying was a > 1960 Russian MIG trainer. After he landed I went over and took some pics > of > the thing (which I cannot find). > > The cockpit instrumentation was very limited in terms of what I expected. > He commented that his jet was "extreemly simple and reliable." > > We also have an Airforce base near the airport. No doubt he must make it > very clear who he is when flying near military airspace. I think he can > also fly over the air base once he hits a certain altitude. How cool would > it be to have a toy like that! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 05:29:23 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:29:23 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] [British-cars] ABC story on Tire Safety In-Reply-To: <62087B22-0C1D-47FE-91F0-D0C734CA3180@sbcglobal.net> References: <62087B22-0C1D-47FE-91F0-D0C734CA3180@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903260529t2677bb58t4bd054f3922d39f4@mail.gmail.com> List, Did anyone else get this? It appears I received it from Duvall Video Productions via the list at: british-cars at autox.team.net Therefore I'm boycotting Garbage-year aka Goodyear. What jerks. Lin On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Duvall Video Productions < duvallcom at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "We don't support age-based limits on tires because there's no > scientific data to support that." Wal-Mart spokesperson Linda Blakley > said, "Should the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic and Safety > Administration) create a ruling related to age of tires and its effect > on the safety of our customers, we would of course comply." > > Full article: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4822250&page=2 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > British-cars at autox.team.net > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/british-cars From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Mar 26 06:05:18 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:05:18 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: <49CAF172.9050908@comcast.net> References: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> <49CAF172.9050908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Get a large plastic bag from a laundry or some such. Lay it over the area you want to measure. If the bag is really thin, put another protective layer of plastic over and under. Squirt a can of foam insulation into the bag and close the top on it. You will get a mold of the available space. Michael Rowe From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Mar 26 06:38:27 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:38:27 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: <001e01c9ae14$345870c0$9d095240$@com> References: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> <49CAF172.9050908@comcast.net> <001e01c9ae14$345870c0$9d095240$@com> Message-ID: Forgot to mention that urethane squirt foam sticks to pretty much anything forever. It won't stick to engine oil, but be really careful to protect anything clean. Michael Rowe From pythias at pacifier.com Thu Mar 26 07:49:05 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:49:05 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC-Woot.off Message-ID: <699801621.20090326074905@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, for those who care and have access to computers continually during the day there is a WOOT-OFF going on right now.... http://www.woot.com best to watch from http://www.mywoot.net.. audbile alarms, 5 second refresh rate, and price comparison all in one... happy hunting -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "I'd better repeat that SOS message," said Tom remorsefully. From peter at nosimport.com Thu Mar 26 08:29:48 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:29:48 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Tachometer wiring Message-ID: <200903260729480.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> So, let's say we had a choice of tachs to use. RVC or RVI What would sway you one way or the other, and is the wiring different? Peter C From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 13:05:09 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:05:09 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Tachometer wiring In-Reply-To: <200903260729480.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <200903260729480.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <49CBDFF5.40800@comcast.net> Peter Caldwell wrote: > So, let's say we had a choice of tachs to use. RVC or RVI > > What would sway you one way or the other, and is the wiring different? > Not knowing about the numbers or looking at a set with these numbers, The later tach, the one with the screws on the face running verticle, has one wire that goes to the NEG side of the tach. The earlier one has the white wire loop inside the tach and gets hooked to the POS side. Again, if we are talking about the 2 later small face tachs. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 14:10:30 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:10:30 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Tachometer wiring Message-ID: One type is Ok with electronic ign and one isn't. In a message dated 26/03/2009 15:32:15 GMT Standard Time, peter at nosimport.com writes: So, let's say we had a choice of tachs to use. RVC or RVI What would sway you one way or the other, and is the wiring different? Peter C From cbmybugi at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 15:09:29 2009 From: cbmybugi at comcast.net (cbmybugi at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Frame repair In-Reply-To: <1375154769.371481238105261374.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <923266488.372181238105369861.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Has anyone had to replace frame rails on a Bugeye. The front horns on mine need to be replaced ,the front stabilizer bar mount on the bottom of the frame got "torn" out on an autocross. I was wondering how hard of job this could be, and if anyone had a good source for a quality replacement part. Regards Chris 59 AN5 From shop at justbrits.com Thu Mar 26 16:10:59 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:10:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [British-cars] ABC story on Tire Safety In-Reply-To: <205cef430903260529t2677bb58t4bd054f3922d39f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It was on MGs also, Lin !! <> Gotta add Wal-Mart to your list!!! From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 26 15:31:18 2009 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:31:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Tachometer wiring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090326223122.BRMG15894.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Can someone 'splain what the RVC or RVI is? I'm actually converting my spare (and known working) RVI 2401/00A this weekend to Neg ground and replacing the capacitor. Would a bad capacitor make it read higher than it should? Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:11 PM To: peter at nosimport.com; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tachometer wiring One type is Ok with electronic ign and one isn't. In a message dated 26/03/2009 15:32:15 GMT Standard Time, peter at nosimport.com writes: So, let's say we had a choice of tachs to use. RVC or RVI What would sway you one way or the other, and is the wiring different? Peter C You are subscribed as cmanuel at wi.rr.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Thu Mar 26 16:01:12 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:01:12 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Tachometer wiring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > One type is Ok with electronic ign and one isn't. If you have a Pertronix, they should still work the same as with points. Real EI's are a different issue. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Thu Mar 26 16:03:02 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame repair In-Reply-To: <923266488.372181238105369861.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: > The front horns on mine need to be replaced Just make sure they don't end up straight, but I think we pretty much exhausted that issue before we moved on to Pertronix modules. From grunthaner at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 17:18:24 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:18:24 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall Message-ID: <205cef430903261718q2c0302d6odf3e046c7a65651f@mail.gmail.com> List, This has got to be the best video I ever saw, it is from inside the cylinder wall. I just gave a lesson on exploded views, and bill of materials aka BOM (kids loved that acronym) using 3D software and technical drawing video and the 948 as my example of a real product. I have all the charts up on display and the kids really like it. Now I'm explaining the 4 steps to the engine's combustion via animations but this is the best "real" video of the cylinder in action. Enjoy, Linda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEf8va1S7Sw From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 19:03:57 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:03:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame repair In-Reply-To: <923266488.372181238105369861.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <923266488.372181238105369861.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49CC340D.9010600@comcast.net> cbmybugi at comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone had to replace frame rails on a Bugeye. The front horns on mine need to be replaced ,the front stabilizer bar mount on the bottom of the frame got "torn" out on an autocross. I was wondering how hard of job this could be, and if anyone had a good source for a quality replacement part. > > Chris I have seen welded up frame rails from in front of the wide cross member. There is nothing out there but the bumper and sway bar mounts. I have cut open the frame rails to beat out dents and welded a new skin on the bottom. It is just a sheetmetal box. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 19:24:23 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:24:23 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Spiting cards... update... In-Reply-To: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <49CC38D7.3050706@comcast.net> The basic carb bodies are all the same. Some of the linkage bends are a little different, the float bowl mounting bolt changed over the years but a 63 carb body will interchange with a 74 carb body. If you do mix and match, use the choke and throttle linkages from the same bodys. They are real close to looking the same but slightly different or I have some bent ones. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Mar 26 19:33:38 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:33:38 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Spiting cards... update... In-Reply-To: <49CC38D7.3050706@comcast.net> References: <49CAA2CA.10086.3066D14@kk7ss.verizon.net>, <49CC38D7.3050706@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49CBD892.798.2962EE9@kk7ss.verizon.net> Thanks for the tip, Frank... I'll be real careful. I'm thinking about replacing the jets while I've got them out of the car... I have a new pair to hand... Dave G. On 26 Mar 2009 at 22:24, Frank wrote: >> If you do mix and match, use the choke and throttle linkages from the >> same bodys. They are real close to looking the same but slightly >> different or I have some bent ones. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From pythias at pacifier.com Thu Mar 26 22:11:14 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:11:14 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Mk III Sprite Tonneau BAR Message-ID: <52299025.20090326221114@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, Ok, the studs are on the way and I find out i need a tonneau bar as well. trying to avoid the usual suspects of Mo#$ and VB.... anyone have one sittin' in a box somewhere? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Can't learn to do it well? Learn to enjoy doing it badly! From bighealey at charter.net Fri Mar 27 05:37:26 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:37:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall In-Reply-To: <205cef430903261718q2c0302d6odf3e046c7a65651f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <722B0F2D6EA34CE0846B442CAEE5EF0C@TRACY> Word Hecka BOMB !! I am totally jocking that video, yo. (Translation below provided by my 16 year old) Listen Very impressive !! I really enjoyed watching that video, you know. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:18 PM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall List, This has got to be the best video I ever saw, it is from inside the cylinder wall. I just gave a lesson on exploded views, and bill of materials aka BOM (kids loved that acronym) using 3D software and technical drawing video and the 948 as my example of a real product. I have all the charts up on display and the kids really like it. Now I'm explaining the 4 steps to the engine's combustion via animations but this is the best "real" video of the cylinder in action. Enjoy, Linda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEf8va1S7Sw You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 05:51:27 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:51:27 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall In-Reply-To: <722B0F2D6EA34CE0846B442CAEE5EF0C@TRACY> References: <205cef430903261718q2c0302d6odf3e046c7a65651f@mail.gmail.com> <722B0F2D6EA34CE0846B442CAEE5EF0C@TRACY> Message-ID: <205cef430903270551i36a4ad21m59aeae78a5528385@mail.gmail.com> Tracy, I'm so glad you liked it. I just showed it to my 1st period class and the students have the same question as I do. First what is the temperature inside the cylinder wall I heard 4000 degrees but not sure, second what did they use as a clear cover for the camera lens? I am assuming they had a hole drilled in the block for the camera but what is the material used that is clear enough yet won't melt at 4000 degrees? I'm thinking clear ceramic glass. Any thoughts? Lin On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Tracy Drummond wrote: > Word > > Hecka BOMB !! I am totally jocking that video, yo. > > (Translation below provided by my 16 year old) > > Listen > > Very impressive !! I really enjoyed watching that video, you know. > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > President AHCUSA www.healey.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:18 PM > To: Spridgets > Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall > > List, > > This has got to be the best video I ever saw, it is from inside the > cylinder > wall. I just gave a lesson on exploded views, and bill of materials aka BOM > (kids loved that acronym) using 3D software and technical drawing video and > the 948 as my example of a real product. I have all the charts up on > display > and the kids really like it. Now I'm explaining the 4 steps to the engine's > combustion via animations but this is the best "real" video of the cylinder > in action. > > Enjoy, > > Linda > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEf8va1S7Sw > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 05:54:09 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:54:09 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site Message-ID: <205cef430903270554h48ae1272m400b1a1fb4afb004@mail.gmail.com> List, This is the first time I ever saw this Healey site but most of you probably have already seen it. Nice old pictures. http://www.austinmemories.com/page8/page63/page63.html Lin From bighealey at charter.net Fri Mar 27 06:06:44 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall In-Reply-To: <205cef430903270551i36a4ad21m59aeae78a5528385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90799145BE5E47728F70875DAF7779DA@TRACY> Temperatures can reach as high as 2500 degrees F I bet the lens cover was borrowed from the semiconductor manufacturing equipment industry where temps get really high. Ask the you tube producer. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: Linda Grunthaner [mailto:grunthaner at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:51 AM To: Tracy Drummond Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall Tracy, I'm so glad you liked it. I just showed it to my 1st period class and the students have the same question as I do. First what is the temperature inside the cylinder wall I heard 4000 degrees but not sure, second what did they use as a clear cover for the camera lens? I am assuming they had a hole drilled in the block for the camera but what is the material used that is clear enough yet won't melt at 4000 degrees? I'm thinking clear ceramic glass. Any thoughts? Lin On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Tracy Drummond wrote: Word Hecka BOMB !! I am totally jocking that video, yo. (Translation below provided by my 16 year old) Listen Very impressive !! I really enjoyed watching that video, you know. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:18 PM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall List, This has got to be the best video I ever saw, it is from inside the cylinder wall. I just gave a lesson on exploded views, and bill of materials aka BOM (kids loved that acronym) using 3D software and technical drawing video and the 948 as my example of a real product. I have all the charts up on display and the kids really like it. Now I'm explaining the 4 steps to the engine's combustion via animations but this is the best "real" video of the cylinder in action. Enjoy, Linda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEf8va1S7Sw You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tinydog at snet.net Fri Mar 27 06:33:51 2009 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <205cef430903270554h48ae1272m400b1a1fb4afb004@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> tinydog moaned: Unfortunate pictures as some will use misuse them as sources for originality. The pics have been made to look period but they are of contemporary cars. --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Linda Grunthaner wrote: From: Linda Grunthaner Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site To: "Spridgets" Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:54 AM List, This is the first time I ever saw this Healey site but most of you probably have already seen it. Nice old pictures. http://www.austinmemories.com/page8/page63/page63.html Lin From bighealey at charter.net Fri Mar 27 06:40:04 2009 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:40:04 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> Where can I meet the contemporary leggy blonde in the shot next to the Sprite? Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tinydog at snet.net Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:34 AM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] cool Healey site tinydog moaned: Unfortunate pictures as some will use misuse them as sources for originality. The pics have been made to look period but they are of contemporary cars. --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Linda Grunthaner wrote: From: Linda Grunthaner Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site To: "Spridgets" Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:54 AM List, This is the first time I ever saw this Healey site but most of you probably have already seen it. Nice old pictures. http://www.austinmemories.com/page8/page63/page63.html Lin You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Mar 27 06:57:44 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:57:44 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Mk III Sprite Tonneau BAR In-Reply-To: <52299025.20090326221114@pacifier.com> References: <52299025.20090326221114@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <7310186947.20090327065744@pacifier.com> Hello Bill, Drat, ... the consensus seems to be that there are none just lying around. People have been buying 'em from Mo#$. At least they've been pleased with the product.... Anything Alan? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" I don't have a solution, but I admire the problem. From cmlove at knology.net Fri Mar 27 07:34:05 2009 From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:34:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame repair In-Reply-To: <49CC340D.9010600@comcast.net> References: <923266488.372181238105369861.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49CC340D.9010600@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c9aee9$15b47210$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> I have done what Frank is talking about on my Frame rails also. The bottom was messed up pretty bad, so I used a spot weld remover and cut out all the spot welds for the bottom sheet metal and replaced it with new metal. Worked fine. Charles M. "Monty" Love Dynetics, Inc. 256-461-2780 256-337-5581 (Cell) 256-882-1543 (Home) ET Test The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:04 PM To: cbmybugi at comcast.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frame repair cbmybugi at comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone had to replace frame rails on a Bugeye. The front horns on mine need to be replaced ,the front stabilizer bar mount on the bottom of the frame got "torn" out on an autocross. I was wondering how hard of job this could be, and if anyone had a good source for a quality replacement part. > > Chris I have seen welded up frame rails from in front of the wide cross member. There is nothing out there but the bumper and sway bar mounts. I have cut open the frame rails to beat out dents and welded a new skin on the bottom. It is just a sheetmetal box. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites You are subscribed as cmlove at knology.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 07:42:18 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:42:18 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] 58 Bugeye for $325.......in California Message-ID: <205cef430903270742m58367087r202405943f774fbf@mail.gmail.com> List, Anyone in California? http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/1086091399.html This may be a good source for Bugeye parts. Lin From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 07:51:16 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:51:16 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> References: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> Message-ID: <205cef430903270751w374b9895u46ef434d97fe093d@mail.gmail.com> You mean this one : )......oh yea that's not a Sprite. http://www.austinmemories.com/page43/files/page43_3.jpg On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Tracy Drummond wrote: > Where can I meet the contemporary leggy blonde in the shot next to the > Sprite? > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > President AHCUSA www.healey.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tinydog at snet.net > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:34 AM > To: Spridgets > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] cool Healey site > > tinydog moaned: > > Unfortunate pictures as some will use misuse them as sources for > originality. The pics have been made to look period but they are of > contemporary cars. > > > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > From: Linda Grunthaner > Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site > To: "Spridgets" > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:54 AM > > List, > This is the first time I ever saw this Healey site but most of you probably > have already seen it. Nice old pictures. > http://www.austinmemories.com/page8/page63/page63.html > Lin > You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 07:53:08 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:53:08 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall In-Reply-To: <90799145BE5E47728F70875DAF7779DA@TRACY> References: <205cef430903270551i36a4ad21m59aeae78a5528385@mail.gmail.com> <90799145BE5E47728F70875DAF7779DA@TRACY> Message-ID: <205cef430903270753o335d90e9sa5299b194f287ff8@mail.gmail.com> That is my next step : ) On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Tracy Drummond wrote: > Temperatures can reach as high as 2500 degrees F > > > > I bet the lens cover was borrowed from the semiconductor manufacturing > equipment industry where temps get really high. > > > > Ask the you tube producer. > > > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > > President AHCUSA www.healey.org > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Linda Grunthaner [mailto:grunthaner at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2009 5:51 AM > *To:* Tracy Drummond > *Cc:* Spridgets > *Subject:* Re: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the > cylinder wall > > > > Tracy, > I'm so glad you liked it. I just showed it to my 1st period class and the > students have the same question as I do. First what is the temperature > inside the cylinder wall I heard 4000 degrees but not sure, second what did > they use as a clear cover for the camera lens? I am assuming they had a hole > drilled in the block for the camera but what is the material used that is > clear enough yet won't melt at 4000 degrees? I'm thinking clear ceramic > glass. Any thoughts? > Lin > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Tracy Drummond > wrote: > > Word > > Hecka BOMB !! I am totally jocking that video, yo. > > (Translation below provided by my 16 year old) > > Listen > > Very impressive !! I really enjoyed watching that video, you know. > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > President AHCUSA www.healey.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:18 PM > To: Spridgets > Subject: [Spridgets] Coolest video........... from inside the cylinder wall > > List, > > This has got to be the best video I ever saw, it is from inside the > cylinder > wall. I just gave a lesson on exploded views, and bill of materials aka BOM > (kids loved that acronym) using 3D software and technical drawing video and > the 948 as my example of a real product. I have all the charts up on > display > and the kids really like it. Now I'm explaining the 4 steps to the engine's > combustion via animations but this is the best "real" video of the cylinder > in action. > > Enjoy, > > Linda > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEf8va1S7Sw > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 08:25:45 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:25:45 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <205cef430903270751w374b9895u46ef434d97fe093d@mail.gmail.com> References: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> <205cef430903270751w374b9895u46ef434d97fe093d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903270825v3e294c68mcd0078797cadd9c9@mail.gmail.com> > You mean this one : )......oh yea that's not a Sprite. No, he means this one http://tinyurl.com/contempblond Yes, if you click the View All option, you will find pictures of a Sprite used by Jeremy Clarkson in the 2009 Mallorca Rally. From peter at nosimport.com Fri Mar 27 08:28:31 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Re: Tachometer wiring Message-ID: <200903270728748.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Hal sent this to me off list. I think it is "list worthy" at least as much as pizza is:-) Unfortunate the guy writes obtusely. read it many times ,a d it will make sense. Peter >Peter, >Check out >http://www.gglotus.org/ggtech/smith-tach/smithtach.htm >Hal From peter at nosimport.com Fri Mar 27 08:33:29 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:33:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <402188520903270825v3e294c68mcd0078797cadd9c9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> <205cef430903270751w374b9895u46ef434d97fe093d@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903270825v3e294c68mcd0078797cadd9c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903270733686.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> There's a Midget to the left of Hampster...... At 10:25 AM 3/27/2009, David Lieb wrote: > > You mean this one : )......oh yea that's not a Sprite. > >No, he means this one http://tinyurl.com/contempblond >Yes, if you click the View All option, you will find pictures of a >Sprite used by Jeremy Clarkson in the 2009 Mallorca Rally. >_______________________________________________ From 72spridget at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 08:42:02 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <200903270733686.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> <205cef430903270751w374b9895u46ef434d97fe093d@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903270825v3e294c68mcd0078797cadd9c9@mail.gmail.com> <200903270733686.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <402188520903270842h4fa2e36ei93df7d8a6b002a3f@mail.gmail.com> > There's a Midget to the left of Hampster...... Probably Mallorca Ben's 1973... From peter at nosimport.com Fri Mar 27 08:52:17 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:52:17 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <402188520903270842h4fa2e36ei93df7d8a6b002a3f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> <205cef430903270751w374b9895u46ef434d97fe093d@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903270825v3e294c68mcd0078797cadd9c9@mail.gmail.com> <200903270733686.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <402188520903270842h4fa2e36ei93df7d8a6b002a3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903270752561.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> At 10:42 AM 3/27/2009, David Lieb wrote: > > There's a Midget to the left of Hampster...... > >Probably Mallorca Ben's 1973... === Sorry, I shouldn't have capitalized it.... From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 27 09:19:44 2009 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:19:44 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] cool Healey site In-Reply-To: <200903270752561.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <720001.6134.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9713DF1658E74410B10ECEBCBF61D802@TRACY> <205cef430903270751w374b9895u46ef434d97fe093d@mail.gmail.com> <402188520903270825v3e294c68mcd0078797cadd9c9@mail.gmail.com> <200903270733686.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <402188520903270842h4fa2e36ei93df7d8a6b002a3f@mail.gmail.com> <200903270752561.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: That's a dwarf, not a midget, silly. ;-) Brian S. Bugeyeracer finally resto'ed! > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:52:17 -0500 > To: 72spridget at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] cool Healey site > > At 10:42 AM 3/27/2009, David Lieb wrote: > > > There's a Midget to the left of Hampster...... > > > >Probably Mallorca Ben's 1973... > === > Sorry, I shouldn't have capitalized it.... _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From kk7ss at verizon.net Fri Mar 27 13:48:37 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:48:37 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Traffic traps... No LBC?? Message-ID: <49CCD935.3097.15D240A@kk7ss.verizon.net> This might be of interest to those of us that "drive like we stole it" ;-)) www.Trapster.com -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 07:13:20 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC Message-ID: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Came across a nice (from the road, anyway) white chrome bumper MGB behind a barn in that classic "peeking out of the tarp" look, and a beautiful Studebaker GT Hawk EXACTLY like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Studebaker_Gran_Turismo_Hawk.jpg Spring's coming. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From george.brokaw at cox.net Sat Mar 28 07:52:52 2009 From: george.brokaw at cox.net (George Brokaw) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:52:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <033001c9afb4$df449e40$9dcddac0$@brokaw@cox.net> I hope it gets here soon. Shoveling out of 8" of snow and ice here in South Central Kansas. Paul -----Original Message----- Came across a nice (from the road, anyway) white chrome bumper MGB behind a barn in that classic "peeking out of the tarp" look, and a beautiful Studebaker GT Hawk EXACTLY like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Studebaker_Gran_Turismo_Hawk.jpg Spring's coming. Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog _______________________________________________ From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 08:50:12 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV Message-ID: <676673.64288.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great NW guys, do you know this car? Looks exceedingly clean. www.ebay.com Item number: 110366876901 Ron Soave "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From andrewpayne at intrex.net Sat Mar 28 08:55:39 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:55:39 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hood and rubber bumpers Message-ID: <200903281555.n2SFtaJf011353@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> Hey folks, I was stripping some parts from the car and was wondering... My hood is warped at from the prop. Any suggestions on bending it back From andrewpayne at intrex.net Sat Mar 28 09:02:42 2009 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:02:42 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hood and bumper part 2 Message-ID: <200903281602.n2SG2dJf011631@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> Darn cell phone email! So bending the hood, before it comes off or after? Any tips? Also, is anyone running a RB car with no bumpers? If so, how do you feel about it? Drew From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 11:00:51 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <2934550068636726954@unknownmsgid> References: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2934550068636726954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903281100l320971c7s13385f1b725d2d74@mail.gmail.com> Paul, You're breakin' my heart!! Check out snow totals around me! I've got 18" on the back patio and a 3 foot drift across the front of the house. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=DDCLSRDDC Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:52 AM, George Brokaw wrote: > I hope it gets here soon. Shoveling out of 8" of snow and ice here in > South > Central Kansas. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > Came across a nice (from the road, anyway) white chrome bumper MGB behind a > barn in that classic "peeking out of the tarp" look, and a beautiful > Studebaker GT Hawk EXACTLY like this one: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Studebaker_Gran_Turismo_Hawk.jpg > > Spring's coming. > > Ron Soave > "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sat Mar 28 11:48:57 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:48:57 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0903281100l320971c7s13385f1b725d2d74@mail.gmail.com> References: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><2934550068636726954@unknownmsgid> <43840a7e0903281100l320971c7s13385f1b725d2d74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 14 degrees C in Ottawa Canada and sunny. The ducks arrived to our as yet unfrozen swimming pool today! http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/on-118_metric_e.html -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson Sent: March 28, 2009 2:01 PM To: George Brokaw Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC Paul, You're breakin' my heart!! Check out snow totals around me! I've got 18" on the back patio and a 3 foot drift across the front of the house. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=DDCLSRDDC Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:52 AM, George Brokaw wrote: > I hope it gets here soon. Shoveling out of 8" of snow and ice here in > South > Central Kansas. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > Came across a nice (from the road, anyway) white chrome bumper MGB behind a > barn in that classic "peeking out of the tarp" look, and a beautiful > Studebaker GT Hawk EXACTLY like this one: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Studebaker_Gran_Turismo_Hawk.jpg > > Spring's coming. > > Ron Soave > "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From millerls at ado13.com Sat Mar 28 12:04:51 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:04:51 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC References: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><2934550068636726954@unknownmsgid><43840a7e0903281100l320971c7s13385f1b725d2d74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60F9C51CA6E84BEF934C96B60562A72E@HP> Really feel for you guys. About 75 degrees at noon time here in central CA and going to get warmer. My car club has it's first rally of the year tomorrow and the weather is going to be fabulous :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Duquette" To: "'Spridgets List'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC > 14 degrees C in Ottawa Canada and sunny. The ducks arrived to our as yet > unfrozen swimming pool today! > > http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/on-118_metric_e.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson > Sent: March 28, 2009 2:01 PM > To: George Brokaw > Cc: Spridgets > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC > > Paul, > > You're breakin' my heart!! Check out snow totals around me! I've got 18" > on > the back patio and a 3 foot drift across the front of the house. > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=DDCLSRDDC > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:52 AM, George Brokaw > wrote: > >> I hope it gets here soon. Shoveling out of 8" of snow and ice here in >> South >> Central Kansas. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Came across a nice (from the road, anyway) white chrome bumper MGB behind > a >> barn in that classic "peeking out of the tarp" look, and a beautiful >> Studebaker GT Hawk EXACTLY like this one: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Studebaker_Gran_Turismo_Hawk.jpg >> >> Spring's coming. >> >> Ron Soave >> "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog > You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:06:59 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <60F9C51CA6E84BEF934C96B60562A72E@HP> References: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2934550068636726954@unknownmsgid> <43840a7e0903281100l320971c7s13385f1b725d2d74@mail.gmail.com> <60F9C51CA6E84BEF934C96B60562A72E@HP> Message-ID: <43840a7e0903281206s6329896aocb07d7488e9777de@mail.gmail.com> Larry, When did you have your last colonoscopy with a snow shovel handle? ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Larry & Sandi Miller wrote: > Really feel for you guys. About 75 degrees at noon time here in central CA > and going to get warmer. My car club has it's first rally of the year > tomorrow and the weather is going to be fabulous :-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Duquette" < > robertduquette at sympatico.ca> > To: "'Spridgets List'" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC > > > 14 degrees C in Ottawa Canada and sunny. The ducks arrived to our as yet >> unfrozen swimming pool today! >> >> http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/on-118_metric_e.html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson >> Sent: March 28, 2009 2:01 PM >> To: George Brokaw >> Cc: Spridgets >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC >> >> Paul, >> >> You're breakin' my heart!! Check out snow totals around me! I've got 18" >> on >> the back patio and a 3 foot drift across the front of the house. >> >> http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=DDCLSRDDC >> >> Cheers!! >> Jim >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:52 AM, George Brokaw > >wrote: >> >> I hope it gets here soon. Shoveling out of 8" of snow and ice here in >>> South >>> Central Kansas. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> Came across a nice (from the road, anyway) white chrome bumper MGB behind >>> >> a >> >>> barn in that classic "peeking out of the tarp" look, and a beautiful >>> Studebaker GT Hawk EXACTLY like this one: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Studebaker_Gran_Turismo_Hawk.jpg >>> >>> Spring's coming. >>> >>> Ron Soave >>> "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog >>> >> You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim - an unapologetic capitalist "'Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own. And 'Compassion' is when a politician arranges the transfer." - Joseph Sobran From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sat Mar 28 12:22:43 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:22:43 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <60F9C51CA6E84BEF934C96B60562A72E@HP> References: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><2934550068636726954@unknownmsgid><43840a7e0903281100l320971c7s13385f1b725d2d74@mail.gmail.com> <60F9C51CA6E84BEF934C96B60562A72E@HP> Message-ID: Don't feel sorry for me for that reason. You probably don't appreciate that 75 degrees as much as we appreciate the 58 or whatever the 14C translates to after our winter. :) I put the insurance on the Midget for today, but I probably won't get around to getting her out and running properly enough for a drive. For that, you can feel sorry for me. -----Original Message----- From: Larry & Sandi Miller [mailto:millerls at ado13.com] Sent: March 28, 2009 3:05 PM To: Robert Duquette; 'Spridgets List' Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC Really feel for you guys. About 75 degrees at noon time here in central CA and going to get warmer. My car club has it's first rally of the year tomorrow and the weather is going to be fabulous :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Duquette" To: "'Spridgets List'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC > 14 degrees C in Ottawa Canada and sunny. The ducks arrived to our as yet > unfrozen swimming pool today! > > http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/on-118_metric_e.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson > Sent: March 28, 2009 2:01 PM > To: George Brokaw > Cc: Spridgets > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC > > Paul, > > You're breakin' my heart!! Check out snow totals around me! I've got 18" > on > the back patio and a 3 foot drift across the front of the house. > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=DDCLSRDDC > > Cheers!! > Jim > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:52 AM, George Brokaw > wrote: > >> I hope it gets here soon. Shoveling out of 8" of snow and ice here in >> South >> Central Kansas. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Came across a nice (from the road, anyway) white chrome bumper MGB behind > a >> barn in that classic "peeking out of the tarp" look, and a beautiful >> Studebaker GT Hawk EXACTLY like this one: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Studebaker_Gran_Turismo_Hawk.jpg >> >> Spring's coming. >> >> Ron Soave >> "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog > You are subscribed as robertduquette at sympatico.ca From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 28 14:22:04 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:22:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <60F9C51CA6E84BEF934C96B60562A72E@HP> Message-ID: <> For YOU "weather" does NOT matter considering the 'country' all around you, Larry !!! DAMN, I'm jealous !!!!! Ed PS: For those of you unaware of Larry & Sandi's "area", they are a TAD just SSE of location used for the movie Play Misty for Me !!! (and the "entry" drive by Clint IS real and so is the "studio's" location. PPS: And I lived there once From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 28 14:40:35 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:40:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: (Mgs) project 74.5 must go! Message-ID: >From the MGs List. NFI, yadda, yada!! -----Original Message----- From: cyberemp at comcast.net [mailto:cyberemp at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:07 PM To: MG LIST Subject: [Mgs] project 74.5 must go! greetings O list. Vallejo, California. San Francisco bay Area. 74.5 MGB free to good home. It's happened at last. The city has lost patience with my hobby. I must get rid of my 4.5 MGB Roadster or the sky will fall! No engine or transmission.B most metal is usable.B Roll bar.B rostyle wheels. contact me off list if interested and able to pick up soon. I have funeral to attend today, I'll respond as soon as possible. Eric Peterson So many cars, not enough parking! You are subscribed as shop at justbrits.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sat Mar 28 13:42:52 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:42:52 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <60F9C51CA6E84BEF934C96B60562A72E@HP> Message-ID: Is it still cold back there? No wonder the list has been so weird. I had no idea your Springs were so severe. From shop at justbrits.com Sat Mar 28 15:05:25 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:05:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Forecasting up to 6" of snow in Chi tonite, BZ!!! From markwemple at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 14:42:44 2009 From: markwemple at yahoo.com (Mark Wemple) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Philly swap meet tomorrow Message-ID: <337452.46260.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Weather looks its normal wet with some thunder boomers included to spice things up. Who's going? I'm asking because I'm selfish and don't want to drag my lazy butt out of bed at 6am then drive 2 hrs to be the only one there. Well, OK, Biff is coming with me, but... Well, that and I'd like to unload my garage a little and maybe pick up some goodies (besides a cold, that is). Thanks guys, Mark From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 14:53:24 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:53:24 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Philly swap meet tomorrow In-Reply-To: <337452.46260.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <337452.46260.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CE9C54.80506@comcast.net> Mark Wemple wrote: > Weather looks its normal wet with some thunder boomers included to spice things up. > > Who's going? > Depends on the weather. I'll drive the A40 if it's raining a little but if it's pouring, I'll pass. It probably won't be on if it's a lousy day. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 18:13:54 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:13:54 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Watch out for reboxed NOS Message-ID: <49CECB52.4080908@comcast.net> I recently purchased an NOS Lucas ignition switch off fleabay, it was in an old looking orange Lucas box. It was exactly what I needed for my current project. I bid, I won but I really lost. What I got was a cheap ass Lucas India ignition switch in an old box. The keys are pieces of tin flashing, the backing nut threads are larger than the threaded housing as it sort of skips right off. There is no square edge so when you put it in the dash, turn the key, the whole switch rotates. So like all Lucas India, I still have the box but the part is in the trash. It was trash before it left India. And I thought the chinese made real shit. Or They did away with the green boxes and went back to orange, the brass terminals look like all the rest of the asian yellow metal, not real brass. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From froggi60 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 19:31:54 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:31:54 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC In-Reply-To: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <797039.68955.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903281931s50beb246ka0ac148d3eecee86@mail.gmail.com> Well, FROGGI's up on blocks (brake job). But the TR8 was out and feeling good! Was the Hawk for sale??? Herb From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 19:41:55 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Today's morning bike ride...MG LBC Message-ID: <142403.20076.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/28/09, WFO Herb wrote: > Was the Hawk for sale??? Not that I could tell. I'm pretty sure it's a new addition. There is a really large Studebaker underground around here. They're starting to grow on me. The Starliner Targa Newfoundland builder asked Jeff and me if we wanted to do the Peking to Paris Rally instead (we politely declined). Studebaker guys have as many screws loose as we do, they're just bigger screws. Ron ps - IT'S NOW SNOWING!!! From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Mar 28 19:43:11 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:43:11 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Philly swap meet tomorrow In-Reply-To: <49CE9C54.80506@comcast.net> References: <337452.46260.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49CE9C54.80506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BB7A81F-8EFF-4F98-AE4A-F5DD94D0B05B@phillymgclub.com> Well as of 11 PM - Still on On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Frank wrote: > Mark Wemple wrote: >> Weather looks its normal wet with some thunder boomers included to >> spice things up. >> >> Who's going? >> > Depends on the weather. I'll drive the A40 if it's raining a little > but if it's pouring, I'll pass. > It probably won't be on if it's a lousy day. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 20:30:23 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Huffaker and Comptune 948 motors FS Message-ID: <147823.50873.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While talking to Rod Hahnemann at Spridgetech for another reason, Rod mentioned that he has 2 freshened 948 wet sump race motors for sale, one a Huffaker and the other Comptune. For those at the Chicagoland MG show, the Huffaker one was in the blue race Bugeye - Comptune carbs, all the good stuff. Asking price is $1800 apiece. Knowing the cost of a decent race head alone these days, you may want to contact Rod if you're in the market at spridgetech at ameritech.net , 810-229-8639. Absolutely NFI, etc., Ron From grunthaner at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 03:08:18 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:08:18 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: References: <4333f8140903251956k30efd4c3t785b74eb66ebb7a5@mail.gmail.com> <49CAF172.9050908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903290308y14e15174nc881f1d0f6f02597@mail.gmail.com> Interesting way to make a mould. I wounder if you spray oil on the plastic if the foam will peel of after dry. I think I can use this in class on student projects. My students found that they were able to make silicone gaskets by milling out the shape on a wax block as the silicone pops right out of the wax mould when dry.Lin On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > Get a large plastic bag from a laundry or some such. Lay it over the area > you want to measure. If the bag is really thin, put another protective > layer of plastic over and under. Squirt a can of foam insulation into the > bag and close the top on it. You will get a mold of the available space. > > Michael Rowe _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 03:10:34 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Traffic traps... No LBC?? In-Reply-To: <49CCD935.3097.15D240A@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49CCD935.3097.15D240A@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <205cef430903290310k744a378fr1b088ad0b5bc7da@mail.gmail.com> I love that saying "drive it like you stole it" : ) On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Dave G. wrote: > This might be of interest to those of us that "drive like we stole > it" ;-)) > > www.Trapster.com > > > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > > If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still > alive !! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From biffjones at verizon.net Sun Mar 29 03:38:10 2009 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:38:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Phily Swap Meet Message-ID: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> I just spoke to Chuck Miller, one of the contact points for the swap meet, and he said he was on his way to the meet and that they still have not made a decision whether to cancel or not. Based on the fact Chuck said it was misting there now and the weather report I and Mark W. are not making the trip. >From the impression I got from Chuck, it's a go unless nobody shows up! Have fun in the rain guys. Biff Jones [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 03/28/09 07:16:00 From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Mar 29 04:16:39 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Phily Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> References: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> Message-ID: <83AD6C62-54D8-4B4E-B4B7-634535025625@phillymgclub.com> FWIW, I'll be there, we can do lunch, maybe a late breakfast. Bloody Mary's anyone?? Larry On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Biff Jones wrote: > I just spoke to Chuck Miller, one of the contact points for the swap > meet, and > he said he was on his way to the meet and that they still have not > made a > decision whether to cancel or not. > > Based on the fact Chuck said it was misting there now and the > weather report I > and Mark W. are not making the trip. >> From the impression I got from Chuck, it's a go unless nobody shows >> up! > > Have fun in the rain guys. > > Biff Jones > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. > Please send plain text.] > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: > 03/28/09 > 07:16:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 04:27:50 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:27:50 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Phily Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <83AD6C62-54D8-4B4E-B4B7-634535025625@phillymgclub.com> References: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> <83AD6C62-54D8-4B4E-B4B7-634535025625@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: <49CF5B36.3040205@comcast.net> Larry Macy wrote: > FWIW, I'll be there, we can do lunch, maybe a late breakfast. Bloody > Mary's anyone?? > > It's raining pretty good in Jersey, I could always take the Jag for a ride, it is an BBC with real wipers. Beats anything with the word Austin on it for damp ride. But 1.5 hrs for brunch seems a bit crazy. What's the scoop? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Mar 29 04:40:45 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:40:45 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Phily Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <49CF5B36.3040205@comcast.net> References: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> <83AD6C62-54D8-4B4E-B4B7-634535025625@phillymgclub.com> <49CF5B36.3040205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <12B605BD-B263-44D1-9167-7675783C346B@phillymgclub.com> Well radar shows it clearing out as of now. SO I suspect folks will be there, but what they will bring is still up for grabs. Larry On Mar 29, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Frank wrote: > Larry Macy wrote: >> FWIW, I'll be there, we can do lunch, maybe a late breakfast. >> Bloody Mary's anyone?? >> >> > It's raining pretty good in Jersey, I could always take the Jag for > a ride, it is an BBC with real wipers. > Beats anything with the word Austin on it for damp ride. > But 1.5 hrs for brunch seems a bit crazy. > What's the scoop? > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 04:59:32 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:59:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Phily Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <12B605BD-B263-44D1-9167-7675783C346B@phillymgclub.com> References: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> <83AD6C62-54D8-4B4E-B4B7-634535025625@phillymgclub.com> <49CF5B36.3040205@comcast.net> <12B605BD-B263-44D1-9167-7675783C346B@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: <49CF62A4.40400@comcast.net> Larry Macy wrote: > Well radar shows it clearing out as of now. SO I suspect folks will be > there, but what they will bring is still up for grabs. > I'm staying home working on the Ladybug today. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From markwemple at yahoo.com Sun Mar 29 05:25:25 2009 From: markwemple at yahoo.com (Mark Wemple) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Philly swap meet tomorrow Message-ID: <555260.6841.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As Biff said, we aren't coming so I hope there will be a rain date. I'd hate to miss one this year. Hope you all stay dry. Mark From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Mar 29 05:52:41 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Phily Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <49CF62A4.40400@comcast.net> References: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> <83AD6C62-54D8-4B4E-B4B7-634535025625@phillymgclub.com> <49CF5B36.3040205@comcast.net> <12B605BD-B263-44D1-9167-7675783C346B@phillymgclub.com> <49CF62A4.40400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2F1F3E81-6BD7-474B-8206-DB487F38C638@phillymgclub.com> Ok. Have fun. There are about 6 folks with stuff for sale here. Larry Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone On Mar 29, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Frank wrote: > Larry Macy wrote: >> Well radar shows it clearing out as of now. SO I suspect folks will >> be there, but what they will bring is still up for grabs. >> > I'm staying home working on the Ladybug today. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Mar 29 06:19:05 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:19:05 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Philly swap meet tomorrow In-Reply-To: <555260.6841.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <555260.6841.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03C338D3-5C8F-43E3-9F3F-CEC69D24CB03@phillymgclub.com> Prolly no rain date. Sorry. All the vendors are here. Larry Macy, Ph.D 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. "I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating with people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin Sent via iPhone On Mar 29, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Mark Wemple wrote: > As Biff said, we aren't coming so I hope there will be a rain date. > I'd hate to miss one this year. Hope you all stay dry. > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Mar 29 08:47:53 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:47:53 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Bent frame Message-ID: <528F9E629FA8449689D020AD6D9BD0AC@Home> I am looking at a picture of a Spridget tub upside down, and it appears that the upward bend in the frame is 6"-12" aft of the front suspension. Where, exactly, is that bend supposed to be? Michael Rowe '74 Midget '60 Bugeye in contract Long Island, NY From abcoz at hky.com Sun Mar 29 09:06:13 2009 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:06:13 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Bent frame In-Reply-To: <528F9E629FA8449689D020AD6D9BD0AC@Home> References: <528F9E629FA8449689D020AD6D9BD0AC@Home> Message-ID: Hi, Michael. That sounds about right. If in doubt, look at the support members, on either side (the ones with the triangular access holes). If they're not kinked anywhere, you're probably fine. Usually, if there is a problem, it will be forward of the cross member, anyway. Look for waves or kinks in the steel, as a tip-off that it's been bent and straightened (or not). BTW, for those who wanted to see it, I found a digital photo of the bottom of my '73 Midget, with the exhaust downpipe/collector pipe protector I installed. Email me off-list and I'll send a copy of the photo to you. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "Spridget list" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Bent frame >I am looking at a picture of a Spridget tub upside down, and it appears >that the upward bend in the frame is 6"-12" aft of the front suspension. >Where, exactly, is that bend supposed to be? > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > '60 Bugeye in contract > Long Island, NY From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 09:48:12 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] And now for U joint help.. Message-ID: Hello all, were this Tuesday I would have called to purchase a U joint from one of the folks on this list. It's Sunday. In case Autozone doesn't list a '59 Sprite on their computer what U joint will crossreference? Thanks, Lester From billmasq at hotmail.com Sun Mar 29 11:49:12 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:49:12 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] And now for U joint help.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any Sprite or Midget up until about 1974, all should be the same. BillM > From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net > To: bugeye at yahoogroups.com; spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:48:12 -0500 > Subject: [Spridgets] And now for U joint help.. > > Hello all, > > were this Tuesday I would have called to purchase a U joint from one > of the folks on this list. It's Sunday. In case Autozone doesn't > list a '59 Sprite on their computer what U joint will crossreference? > > Thanks, > > Lester > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com Sun Mar 29 11:57:31 2009 From: pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com (Gerard Chateauvieux) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:57:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] And now for U joint help.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25828B69-8A4D-4DF9-A00E-A60E8E569F8B@gerardsgarage.com> Lester, If you have GMB brand available, which I think is commonly found, 215-0500 or 220-0500. One is standard, the other "performance" These are common British Hardy-Spicer type. Their catalog is here: http://www.gmb.net/html/catalog/2006/GMB_UJ_PTOListing_2006.pdf Gerard On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:00 PM, spridgets-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:48:12 -0500 > From: Lester > Subject: [Spridgets] And now for U joint help.. > To: bugeye at yahoogroups.com, spridget list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hello all, > > were this Tuesday I would have called to purchase a U joint from one > of the folks on this list. It's Sunday. In case Autozone doesn't > list a '59 Sprite on their computer what U joint will crossreference? > > Thanks, > > Lester From shop at justbrits.com Sun Mar 29 14:10:11 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:10:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: <205cef430903290308y14e15174nc881f1d0f6f02597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Knowing how the stuff works Linda, I would suspect you would be better off GREASING the inside of the bag(s). Ed From pilotrob at webtv.net Sun Mar 29 13:59:25 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:59:25 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent Message-ID: We learn something every day!! Thanx, Daniel. :) Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) -----Original Message----- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 1:41 PM To: pilotrob at webtv.net, jimndi at frontiernet.net, trevor.jessie at gmail.com, spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] To vent or not to vent Actually most DON'T have a plate over the crankcase mechanical fuel pump port but only the early blocks CC and the last blocks 12V. All the CD and CE blocks are solid casting though this can be drilled out and tapped for studs for the plate. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 22/03/2009 16:45:46 GMT Standard Time, pilotrob at webtv.net writes: most 1275 blocks (except the '67 "thin flange" types) have a plate over the original crankcase mechanical fuel pump port. From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 14:22:41 2009 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Front Lights Connected to the Knee Bone, or? Message-ID: <37dc82d40903291422s2dfc7dadv4d1b41899a9f2430@mail.gmail.com> Front lights not working. I notice that they go on when I step on the clutch, and stay on for a good while. So all I have to do is to remember to press in the clutch if I need my front lights to work. Junction box for high / low beam causing a short! Kirk 59 BE From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 14:25:16 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:25:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Front Lights Connected to the Knee Bone, or? In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903291422s2dfc7dadv4d1b41899a9f2430@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903291422s2dfc7dadv4d1b41899a9f2430@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903291425q4392a29fhab12d771655b157c@mail.gmail.com> Ground. Check the cable from the battery to the chassis. It is a good idea to run a cable from the battery to the motor, too. From thcollin at mtu.edu Sun Mar 29 14:26:09 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:26:09 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Front Lights Connected to the Knee Bone, or? In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903291422s2dfc7dadv4d1b41899a9f2430@mail.gmail.co m> References: <37dc82d40903291422s2dfc7dadv4d1b41899a9f2430@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ll0se$6404oc@email.mtu.edu> Your next post may say; "Electrical fire burns Sprite to the ground, Pictures at 10:00 p.m" At 05:22 PM 3/29/2009, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: >Front lights not working. I notice that they go on when I step on the >clutch, and stay on for a good while. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Mar 29 14:27:40 2009 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:27:40 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] [EasternOshitGroup] Re: Phily Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <49CF62A4.40400@comcast.net> References: <9A5194A39F2C43DAB1984FF3D8608C3C@dell1> <83AD6C62-54D8-4B4E-B4B7-634535025625@phillymgclub.com> <49CF5B36.3040205@comcast.net> <12B605BD-B263-44D1-9167-7675783C346B@phillymgclub.com> <49CF62A4.40400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <33385361-6BE7-445F-8801-828485700BD4@phillymgclub.com> Didn't miss a lot. Several vendors had a lot of B parts a few mini items and a lot of cold. No Spridget items at all. It started raining about 11 and they all packed up and left. I was home by 12:30 after stopping at the grocery store. Larry On Mar 29, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Frank wrote: > Larry Macy wrote: >> Well radar shows it clearing out as of now. SO I suspect folks will >> be >> there, but what they will bring is still up for grabs. >> > I'm staying home working on the Ladybug today. > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EasternOshitGroup/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EasternOshitGroup/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > mailto:EasternOshitGroup-digest at yahoogroups.com > mailto:EasternOshitGroup-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > EasternOshitGroup-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 14:29:27 2009 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:29:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Front Lights Connected to the Knee Bone, or? In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40903291422s2dfc7dadv4d1b41899a9f2430@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40903291422s2dfc7dadv4d1b41899a9f2430@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My GTO used to honk the horn when I pushed in the clutch. It seems the wire for the horn had fallen behind the pedal, and the pressure wore through. Pressing the clutch completed the ground, and I got a honk. you may want to peruse your wiring harness near the clutch. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > Front lights not working. I notice that they go on when I step on the > clutch, and stay on for a good while. > > So all I have to do is to remember to press in the clutch if I need my > front > lights to work. > > Junction box for high / low beam causing a short! > > Kirk > 59 BE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From breton48 at live.com Sun Mar 29 14:52:16 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:52:16 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cap'n. Bob, Thanks for your very informative email about "rejetting for high altitude"... I got at least four or five responses on this list, and none on the Lotus Seven list I belong to! Thanks to all Spridgeteers who answered my original email. I also contacted a local shop specializing in European cars, including LBCs - they had a very nice Lotus Europa in the shop when I got there, and they have a 1974 TR6 and a 1971 E E-type convertible for sale. The owner gave me a set of 110 jets and another set of 115 jets to try in my Webers. Kind enough, I thought... He told me if I cannot get the Lotus to run properly, he'll set it up. I am also going to fit plugs one grade colder. NGK's website had also valuable information about plugs, timing advance, etc. Nobody mentioned using 87 octane grade, but I will try that - In San Diego,I used premium gas. JLC From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 29 15:19:01 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude Message-ID: <447380.7443.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Nobody mentioned using 87 octane grade, but I will try that Did too! I said 86, actually, which was what they ran in Los Alamos at 7400 feet, labeled as "regular". I'd do one thing at a time, though - especially the fuel if you're at high compression. Better to have a black tasilpipe than a hole in a piston. Ron From breton48 at live.com Sun Mar 29 15:46:21 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:46:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <447380.7443.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <447380.7443.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wrote: Nobody [except Cap'n. Bob ] mentioned using 87 octane grade, but I will try that. Ron wrote: Did too! I said 86, actually, which was what they ran in Los Alamos at 7400 feet, labeled as "regular". I'd do one thing at a time, though - especially the fuel if you're at high compression. Better to have a black tasilpipe than a hole in a piston. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oops! Sorry, Ron. The Twin Cam is a fresh rebuild, so I'll be careful! The engine has a 10:1 compression ratio. It was marginal for the premium fuel available in CA. I'll try the local regular fuel first. JLC From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Mar 29 16:34:16 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:34:16 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Front Lights Connected to the Knee Bone, or? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > My GTO used to honk That's to be expected when you drive and old Pontiac. From frog.aye at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 18:03:52 2009 From: frog.aye at gmail.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:03:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance In-Reply-To: References: <205cef430903290308y14e15174nc881f1d0f6f02597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333f8140903291803u20872289ud3ea4e7a9f472def@mail.gmail.com> My experience with using canned foam inside plastic is that it doesn't work! The solvent needs to be able to evaporate in order for the foam to harden. Sprayed it into a plastic bag and waited. Several minutes later when I touched it the foam all collapsed like a cheap Cappucino. Left with a plastic bag full of a sticky, smelly mess that may or may not have hardened inside the garbage bin. could try it inside paper, however. Hal From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 29 18:14:26 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:14:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance References: <205cef430903290308y14e15174nc881f1d0f6f02597@mail.gmail.com> <4333f8140903291803u20872289ud3ea4e7a9f472def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <08F8E2CD98A74D35932887B2CDB445B3@Larry> Back in my racing days we used a two-part polyurethane foam for custom fitting formula car race seats. It may be a bit pricey for what you want, but it works well. We got it from Pegasus in Milwaukee. Undoubtedly, you can get the same thing for less from a non-racing supply house. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Faulkner" To: "Ed's Shop" Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Under bonnet clearance My experience with using canned foam inside plastic is that it doesn't work! The solvent needs to be able to evaporate in order for the foam to harden. Sprayed it into a plastic bag and waited. Several minutes later when I touched it the foam all collapsed like a cheap Cappucino. Left with a plastic bag full of a sticky, smelly mess that may or may not have hardened inside the garbage bin. could try it inside paper, however. Hal You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 19:16:43 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:16:43 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints Message-ID: <49D02B8B.7010108@comcast.net> Ever since I was 18 and owned a shitfire that needed U joints once a week, I hated them I hate replacing U joints so much that I am forever using good used driveshafts in any Sprite I restore. Well I am out of good used shafts BUT I had a pair of U joints and a few driveshafts to beat apart. So why is it EVERY FREAKING time a needle bearing drops and screws up my new U joint? I have tried several different methods of pressing them in, beating them in, dropping the knuckle into the cap and every single time I mess up at least one cap by dropping a needle bearing. Tonight was no exception, 2 new joints, 2 now with one cut needle each. (quality Japanese steel) Yes made in Japan on the box. Imagine chinese U joints? I can't. From now on I will just take the drive shafts to the machine shop, it just not worth the aggravation. You would think someone would come up with a better U joint. No needle bearings or at least have them retained somehow. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Sun Mar 29 19:21:15 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:21:15 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints In-Reply-To: <49D02B8B.7010108@comcast.net> References: <49D02B8B.7010108@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have a drive line shop a few miles from my house. They will replace U-joints AND balance the drive shaft cheap. No aggravation on my part. I could not install a U-joint to save my life. Sometimes a man just has to know his limitations... I think I heard that somewhere before. ;^) Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Frank wrote: > Ever since I was 18 and owned a shitfire that needed U joints once a week, > I hated them > I hate replacing U joints so much that I am forever using good used > driveshafts in any Sprite I restore. > Well I am out of good used shafts BUT I had a pair of U joints and a few > driveshafts to beat apart. > So why is it EVERY FREAKING time a needle bearing drops and screws up my > new U joint? > I have tried several different methods of pressing them in, beating them > in, dropping the knuckle into the cap and every single time I mess up at > least one cap by dropping a needle bearing. > Tonight was no exception, 2 new joints, 2 now with one cut needle each. > (quality Japanese steel) > Yes made in Japan on the box. Imagine chinese U joints? I can't. > From now on I will just take the drive shafts to the machine shop, it just > not worth the aggravation. > You would think someone would come up with a better U joint. No needle > bearings or at least have them retained somehow. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > _______________________________________________ From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Mar 29 19:51:41 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints Message-ID: <344649.95696.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Frank wrote: > single time I mess up at least one cap by dropping a needle > bearing. > Tonight was no exception, 2 new joints, 2 now with one cut > needle each. (quality Japanese steel) I had a Spitty once (I actually liked it). Pressing in the 1st U-Joint I ever did, it shattered. I'm in my 3rd residence since that happened and I am STILL finding needle bearings in boxes, toolcases, etc. Ron ps - Speaking of Jersey ties, David Sancious is a genius. From 72spridget at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 19:54:27 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (72 Spridget) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:54:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints References: <49D02B8B.7010108@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6C1ED76820D84E58A131F01F581DF9FB@rwa> There is nothing like the feeling of "I just trashed the expensive custom u-joint for my 5-speed!" Not that I would know or anything... From froggi60 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 21:55:23 2009 From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:55:23 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Prevention Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10903292155x4d8ba5c8g75ead8ea6c226125@mail.gmail.com> Wire-wheeled parts. Now they look good. What do you use to keep parts from getting surface rust (besides paint)? Preferably something that can be painted over in the future. TIA Herb Keep the sticky side down! Spridgets, Wedges Grants Pass, Oregon From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 22:00:42 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:00:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Prevention In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10903292155x4d8ba5c8g75ead8ea6c226125@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b10903292155x4d8ba5c8g75ead8ea6c226125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903292200v74a1b882h24613c3e1e0ac9e0@mail.gmail.com> Primer. > > What do you use to keep parts from getting surface rust (besides paint)? > > Preferably something that can be painted over in the future. From grday at btinternet.com Mon Mar 30 01:51:20 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:51:20 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints References: <49D02B8B.7010108@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0225F151E7AA487CAEE1ADBEBEF3D6FD@dell330> Frank, Try wiping the inside of the joint, over the needles, with a goodly layer of thick(ish) grease before assembly. You're going to pump them full through the zerk (grease nipple) anyway. Don't hammer them together, the needles fall out (LOL!). 'G' clamp if still under the motor and in the vice if off. Guy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints > Ever since I was 18 and owned a shitfire that needed U joints once a week, > I hated them > I hate replacing U joints so much that I am forever using good used > driveshafts in any Sprite I restore. > Well I am out of good used shafts BUT I had a pair of U joints and a few > driveshafts to beat apart. > So why is it EVERY FREAKING time a needle bearing drops and screws up my > new U joint? > I have tried several different methods of pressing them in, beating them > in, dropping the knuckle into the cap and every single time I mess up at > least one cap by dropping a needle bearing. > Tonight was no exception, 2 new joints, 2 now with one cut needle each. > (quality Japanese steel) > Yes made in Japan on the box. Imagine chinese U joints? I can't. > From now on I will just take the drive shafts to the machine shop, it just > not worth the aggravation. > You would think someone would come up with a better U joint. No needle > bearings or at least have them retained somehow. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grunthaner at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 04:40:32 2009 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] cool sounding Spridget youtube....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NO26UNT2Hs Message-ID: <205cef430903300440q9c32d29jed078c2a2db59652@mail.gmail.com> List, What does this Spridgeteer have under the hood? It sounds cool. Lin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NO26UNT2Hs From kristi74midget at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 04:56:49 2009 From: kristi74midget at comcast.net (Kristi & Lambert) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:56:49 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] OT- Join us in the Walk to Defeat ALS Message-ID: <632B4DD2-160F-48F5-8070-BD4FF5D62B16@comcast.net> Hi Fellow MG'ers, I know this is very off-topic but this is very important to me as my mom has this disease. Just a reminder that on April 25, we will be participating in The ALS Association's Bucks County Walk to Defeat ALS. We would like to raise money for this cause because it is very important to us. Please take the time to donate if possible. We thank you so much for your support and generosity. Sincerely, Janet & Kristi Follow This Link to visit my personal web page and help me in my efforts to support ALS Association, Greater Philadelphia Chapter ***************************************************************************** * Some email systems do not support the use of links and therefore this link may not appear to work. If so, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://alsphiladelphia.kintera.org/faf/r.asp?t=4&i=299365&u=299365-248320980& e=2322859575 ***************************************************************************** * Christina Liebel From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Mon Mar 30 05:41:47 2009 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:41:47 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints Message-ID: <1400401c9b134$e3a2e8d0$056a010a@mail2world.com> The grease is what I did when replacing the u-joints on a spare driveshaft over this winter. I just put the nozzle of the gun in the cap and gave it a squeeze. I still managed to trash one of the 8 bearing cups (did both ends) when a needle bearing fell over. Oh, well, now I have 3 spare cups for the next time that happens! -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: GUY DAY [grday at btinternet.com] Sent: 3/30/2009 3:52:20 AM To: spritenut at comcast.net;spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] I hate U joints Frank, Try wiping the inside of the joint, over the needles, with a goodly layer of thick(ish) grease before assembly. You're going to pump them full through the zerk (grease nipple) anyway. Don't hammer them together, the needles fall out (LOL!). 'G' clamp if still under the motor and in the vice if off. Guy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints > Ever since I was 18 and owned a shitfire that needed U joints once a week, > I hated them > I hate replacing U joints so much that I am forever using good used > driveshafts in any Sprite I restore. > Well I am out of good used shafts BUT I had a pair of U joints and a few > driveshafts to beat apart. > So why is it EVERY FREAKING time a needle bearing drops and screws up my > new U joint? > I have tried several different methods of pressing them in, beating them > in, dropping the knuckle into the cap and every single time I mess up at > least one cap by dropping a needle bearing. > Tonight was no exception, 2 new joints, 2 now with one cut needle each. > (quality Japanese steel) > Yes made in Japan on the box. Imagine chinese U joints? I can't. > From now on I will just take the drive shafts to the machine shop, it just > not worth the aggravation. > You would think someone would come up with a better U joint. No needle > bearings or at least have them retained somehow. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > My own Fleet of Sprites From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 05:47:08 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:47:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... Message-ID: <4C6CCFDF-ECC7-46B3-B1F1-A197CCB82D8D@comcast.net> Good Morning all! This is more to confirm my theory to whit: If one has a rear half shaft installed and held in place with the phillips screw to the hub it will leak oil until the drum had been placed and the wheel nuts tightened. Does that make sense? Thanks again, Lester From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 06:04:07 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:04:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Prevention In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903292200v74a1b882h24613c3e1e0ac9e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ad6c6b10903292155x4d8ba5c8g75ead8ea6c226125@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910903292200v74a1b882h24613c3e1e0ac9e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <107432FE-7667-4B76-AD9F-8ABC6549485C@comcast.net> Generally primer won't stop rust. Use a spray on wax like a heavy duty rust preventive, clean it off when you get ready to paint.. Lester On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:00 AM, derf wrote: > Primer. > >> >> What do you use to keep parts from getting surface rust (besides >> paint)? >> >> Preferably something that can be painted over in the future. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From peter at nosimport.com Mon Mar 30 06:35:11 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] And now for U joint help.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903300535664.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Spridget U-joints are the same forever. They are also the same on all MGBs.... all Spitfires (all positions). Loti driveshafts. 1/2 of early Volvos (called the small joint) and many other cars, too. John Twist of University Motors Ltd fame has a good Youtube video on their replacement. Peter At 11:48 AM 3/29/2009, Lester wrote: >Hello all, > >were this Tuesday I would have called to purchase a U joint from one >of the folks on this list. It's Sunday. In case Autozone doesn't >list a '59 Sprite on their computer what U joint will crossreference? > >Thanks, > >Lester >_______________________________________________ From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Mar 30 06:43:21 2009 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (robertduquette at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:43:21 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints In-Reply-To: <344649.95696.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <344649.95696.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I haven't done u-joints in decades, but just bought a pair over the winter to install into the drive shaft that I swapped out of the Midget last year. I was expecting everything to go fine. Now I'm thinking that you guys have jinxed the whole thing. :) On another note, I had 2 u-joints go bad on my Subaru. These are the non-serviceable type. I had to replace "drive shafts". Many many more multiples of dollars involved. I was annoyed. Robert D. From peter at nosimport.com Mon Mar 30 06:54:42 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:54:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints In-Reply-To: References: <344649.95696.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903300554820.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> At 08:43 AM 3/30/2009, robertduquette at sympatico.ca wrote: >I haven't done u-joints in decades, but just bought a pair over the winter to >install into the drive shaft that I swapped out of the Midget last year. I >was expecting everything to go fine. Now I'm thinking that you guys have >jinxed the whole thing. :) > > > >On another note, I had 2 u-joints go bad on my Subaru. These are the >non-serviceable type. I had to replace "drive shafts". Many many more >multiples of dollars involved. I was annoyed. > > > >Robert D. ------------ Robert, You can usually take the shaft to a "driveline specialist" a guy who will machine out the stakes, press in the joints, center them and balance the shaft. New driveshafts don't have the circlip grooves anymore and the joints are centered and balanced on machines. It is a "better way" for balancing, but less consumer friendly. Where have we heard that before. Again, the Twist has a vid. Peter From mgmaven at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 30 08:09:30 2009 From: mgmaven at bellsouth.net (Bob Spruck) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:09:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... In-Reply-To: <4C6CCFDF-ECC7-46B3-B1F1-A197CCB82D8D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4.1.20090330110325.00d6cdd0@mail.bellsouth.net> Theoretically, the flat head screw is there to prevent losing oil when the wheels are off. If I am going to leave the wheels off for any length of time, I put the four nuts back on. Are you sure you have the rubber O-ring and paper gasket/silicone RTV between the hub and axle flange, and the diff not overfilled? I also replace the Phillips head screws with Allen-drive flathead screws since you can tighten them more without buggering up the slots. Bob At 08:47 AM 3/30/2009 , Lester wrote: >Good Morning all! > >This is more to confirm my theory to whit: > > If one has a rear half shaft installed and held in place with the >phillips screw to the hub it will leak oil until the drum had been >placed and the wheel nuts tightened. > > > >Does that make sense? > >Thanks again, >Lester From richb at u.washington.edu Mon Mar 30 08:24:50 2009 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:24:50 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV References: <676673.64288.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F1E57004C834FC0BADF485E0801E8D5@psych.washington.edu> I don't know the car or owner, but he has had it up on Craigslist also. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1089806875.html The pictures are all taken in the West Seattle neighborhood. There is also a British auto repair and wrecking yard in West Seattle. It may belong to someone that works there or they may have worked on it if you have questions. http://www.britishautocenter.com/ Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV > Great NW guys, do you know this car? Looks exceedingly clean. > > www.ebay.com Item number: 110366876901 > > Ron Soave > "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From heard at datatrontech.net Mon Mar 30 08:46:52 2009 From: heard at datatrontech.net (Heard) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:46:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV In-Reply-To: <4F1E57004C834FC0BADF485E0801E8D5@psych.washington.edu> References: <676673.64288.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F1E57004C834FC0BADF485E0801E8D5@psych.washington.edu> Message-ID: <07f601c9b14e$bf94df60$1801010a@xp> Two questions: 1. How do you get that many pics on craigs list without linking to another site. Is it one composite pic somehow? 2. Is that heat shield under the bonnet? Why? Ok, that was 3 or 4. Heard -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ball Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: Ron Soave; Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV I don't know the car or owner, but he has had it up on Craigslist also. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1089806875.html The pictures are all taken in the West Seattle neighborhood. There is also a British auto repair and wrecking yard in West Seattle. It may belong to someone that works there or they may have worked on it if you have questions. http://www.britishautocenter.com/ Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV > Great NW guys, do you know this car? Looks exceedingly clean. > > www.ebay.com Item number: 110366876901 > > Ron Soave > "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets You are subscribed as heard at datatrontech.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 09:01:34 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:01:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] cool sounding Spridget youtube....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NO26UNT2Hs In-Reply-To: <205cef430903300440q9c32d29jed078c2a2db59652@mail.gmail.com> References: <205cef430903300440q9c32d29jed078c2a2db59652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5294F0E5-0CE3-4020-B7FD-4209F19A3401@comcast.net> Twice as many cylinders as stock or so.. Lester On Mar 30, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Linda Grunthaner wrote: > List, > > What does this Spridgeteer have under the hood? It sounds cool. > > Lin > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NO26UNT2Hs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 12:31:26 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:31:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV In-Reply-To: <07f601c9b14e$bf94df60$1801010a@xp> Message-ID: <<1. How do you get that many pics on craigs list without linking to another site. Is it one composite pic somehow?>> Answered yer own questions, Heard !! LOL Pics are 'stitched together'. most likely with PhotoShop. <<2. Is that heat shield under the bonnet? Why?>> Yep & good question!?! Prevent motor from sunburn ??? Anon From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 11:37:20 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:37:20 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... Message-ID: On the other hand if you realise that the Phillips head screws are in fact Posidrive screws and you tighten them up with a Posidrive screwdriver you don't bugger up the slots or need Allen-drive flathead screws... Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 30/03/2009 16:09:48 GMT Daylight Time, mgmaven at bellsouth.net writes: I also replace the Phillips head screws with Allen-drive flathead screws since you can tighten them more without buggering up the slots. Bob From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 12:45:30 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:45:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] cool sounding Spridget youtube....'nother one !!! In-Reply-To: <205cef430903300440q9c32d29jed078c2a2db59652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Well, safe to rule OUT a 1275, Lin!! I like the 'looks' of this one better!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MaBrDTcZFo&feature=related Have you seen "Drag Sprite" on my site???? S/B on "Pinks" soon !! Ed From richb at u.washington.edu Mon Mar 30 11:48:59 2009 From: richb at u.washington.edu (Richard Ball) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:48:59 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] cool sounding Spridget youtube....'nother one !!! References: Message-ID: Here is the link to the build up of the Mite. http://the-mite.com/ Rich Ball '76 Midget Everett, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] cool sounding Spridget youtube....'nother one !!! > <> > > Well, safe to rule OUT a 1275, Lin!! > > I like the 'looks' of this one better!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MaBrDTcZFo&feature=related > > Have you seen "Drag Sprite" on my site???? S/B on "Pinks" soon !! > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as richb at u.washington.edu > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 11:49:13 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:49:13 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose Message-ID: Hi List, I've finally got organised with the Crossflow hose silicone hose order form and sent an order form to the listers that were interested. Someone wanted to know the advantage of silicone hose over rubber and while I think the list answered here it is again. Silicone hose is better suited to a high temperature environment than rubber (the guy who had the tooling made for the vertical flow hoses lives in Arizona). It will also last longer than a rubber hose. Best of all you can get in a non-standard colour like Blue, Purple or Dark Green though that colour has just run out at present. No-one has ever asked for Grey but I think it's a colour Samco do. The hoses are made in England on tooling also made in England and with the current dollar to pound exchange rate must be for all you US listers almost close to the price of rubber hoses. If you want an order form just e-mail me direct. Weslake-Monza 1330 From pilotrob at webtv.net Mon Mar 30 11:54:58 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:54:58 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude Message-ID: "He told me if I cannot get the Lotus to run properly, he'll set it up" Excellent, Jacques. BTW, I believe Ron S. mentioned lower octane fuel. The first thing I would do is drain the fuel tank and go with the lower octane fuel. If still "rich"..... I would than advance the timing no more than 3 degrees or so, then re-set the idle mixture/idle speed and give it a whirl. If still rich, but no "pinging" on acceleration, I might go another 2 degrees for a total of 5 degrees advanced from sea level setting.....re-set idle mix/speed and try again. (If the car starts hesitating (wants to quit) just off-idle, bring the ignition back 2 degrees, install the warmer plugs....and try again. Still too rich? Go to the leaner mains and on and on in logical order. The lower octane gas and/or advanced timing with eat up excess CO (richness) throughout the whole range and this may be all you'll need, If not, I would then go to (ONE step up) a WARMER (not colder) plug. Remember, you are correcting for LOWER compression pressure (REDUCED effective CR) than on to leaner main jets if needed. In the end you have the friendly shop to assist! Glad you found same. There hadda be somebody around advising the natives and most certainly those newer to the neighborhood from the "flatlands"!! :) Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 11:57:19 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:57:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You mean Pozi-drive screws like all of the old SAABs had?? Yeah, I buggered them up too.. still can't find a Pozi-drive set of drivers and since it seems that folks tightened up the hub nut with chisels I'm not too worried anymore.. ;-) And the GOOD NEWS.. there was no puddle of gear oil under the Bugeye when I drove it to work.. WheEEEE!! Lester Also for nubes such as myself, the greatest improvement i performance after "wintering over" is obtained by putting some damn oil in the carb dashpots!! On Mar 30, 2009, at 1:37 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > On the other hand if you realise that the Phillips head screws are > in fact Posidrive screws and you tighten them up with a Posidrive > screwdriver you don't bugger up the slots or need Allen-drive > flathead screws... > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 30/03/2009 16:09:48 GMT Daylight Time, mgmaven at bellsouth.net > writes: > I also replace the Phillips head screws with Allen-drive flathead > screws > since you can tighten them more without buggering up the slots. > > Bob From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 12:59:42 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:59:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Prevention In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10903292155x4d8ba5c8g75ead8ea6c226125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> "Extend" is what I use Herb. It IS a spray version of a navel jelly 'compound' which 'converts' rust so any surface rust WILL turn black and the rest stays clear. Can be painted directly over. I've got a bunch of pics of 5 steels wheels for MGTD I media blasted, sprayed (and brushed - to let leech into the riveted areas), then PAINTED. Primer NOT needed!! It a Permatex Product (now called) "RUST TREATMENT" 79DA - Item # 81849_____sku # 6----86226--81849----2 !! I have been using for YEARS and it works fantastically !! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From thcollin at mtu.edu Mon Mar 30 12:00:09 2009 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:00:09 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV In-Reply-To: References: <07f601c9b14e$bf94df60$1801010a@xp> Message-ID: <7ll0se$646pcd@email.mtu.edu> >Answered yer own questions, Heard !! LOL Pics are 'stitched together'. >most likely with PhotoShop. Nope. You can right click and save each individual pic if you choose to do so. If stitched together you would only be saving one picture. So we still don't have the Craig's List how to do multiple pics answer. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 12:01:07 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... In-Reply-To: <402188520903300710h4fe7d71cs29742936246a5d80@mail.gmail.com> References: <4C6CCFDF-ECC7-46B3-B1F1-A197CCB82D8D@comcast.net> <402188520903300710h4fe7d71cs29742936246a5d80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wanted to send a thanks out to all who responded, the bad news is that the consensus was that I shouldn't have had any oil leaking, the good news is that with the wheels on I don't have any leaking. Lettin' sleeping dogs lie. Now on to rear spring servicing!! Lester From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 13:06:26 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:06:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Daniel IS correct except for.... <> It IS PoziDriv !!! And using a Phillips on the WILL ruin your Phillips Screwdriver !!! There is an EXCELLENT info article by Norman Nock about the fastener on my site that ALL with LBCs SHOULD read !!! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Mar 30 12:08:08 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:08:08 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Prevention In-Reply-To: <107432FE-7667-4B76-AD9F-8ABC6549485C@comcast.net> Message-ID: > primer won't stop rust. Primer is porous. That's why paint sticks to it. From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:29:21 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402188520903301229u207f824j531d0b3004c2ce1b@mail.gmail.com> On the third hand, expecting a single screw of ANY denomination on the rim of a circle to exert clamping pressure on the whole circle flies in the face of everything you ever learned in highschool physics. Once the seal is established and everything is set, sure the screw will help prevent the seal from busting open, but that is significantly later in the game. In the instructions that came with my Phantom Grip, Bill Perry of Rivergate recommends eliminating the paper gasket and substituting one of the silver RTV sealants. Once the shaft is in place, place spacers (short pipe sections, stacks of washers, etc) on each stud and tighten up the lugnuts as if the wheel were in place. Allow to sit overnight if at all possible BEFORE putting any oil into the diff. Works well for me. David Lieb From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:53:25 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:53:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Prevention In-Reply-To: References: <107432FE-7667-4B76-AD9F-8ABC6549485C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <402188520903301253p17b31191idbca264fd72ae541@mail.gmail.com> And just why don't you want to paint them? From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 30 14:08:40 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:08:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude References: Message-ID: <017201c9b17b$b44feb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> When I lived in Colorado Springs, my 1098 van simply ran as at sea level as far as major carb jet adjustment was concerned. It did need a minor adjustment as far as the idle speed went. Can't remember what it was I did with it. The change in altitude height certainly did take away from the "Peppiness" of the engine, compared to San Diego, but any adjustment was really tiny as far as idle and running was concerned. Check the oil level in the carb on a frequent basis, though, as that can make a real difference in driveability. Paul A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Shlafer" To: "JLC" ; "'Spridgets'" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude > "He told me if I cannot get the Lotus to run properly, he'll set it up" > > Excellent, Jacques. > > BTW, I believe Ron S. mentioned lower octane fuel. > > The first thing I would do is drain the fuel tank and go with the lower octane fuel. > > If still "rich"..... > > I would than advance the timing no more than 3 degrees or so, then re-set the idle mixture/idle speed and give it a whirl. > > If still rich, but no "pinging" on acceleration, I might go another 2 degrees for a total of 5 degrees advanced from sea > level setting.....re-set idle mix/speed and try again. > > (If the car starts hesitating (wants to quit) just off-idle, bring the ignition back 2 degrees, install the warmer plugs....and try again. > > Still too rich? Go to the leaner mains and on and on in logical order. > > The lower octane gas and/or advanced timing with eat up excess CO (richness) throughout the whole range and this may be all you'll need, If not, I would then go to (ONE step up) a WARMER (not colder) plug. Remember, you are correcting for LOWER compression pressure (REDUCED effective CR) than on to leaner main jets if needed. > > In the end you have the friendly shop to assist! Glad you found same. There hadda be somebody around advising the natives and most certainly those newer to the neighborhood from the "flatlands"!! :) > > Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:15:53 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <017201c9b17b$b44feb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <017201c9b17b$b44feb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: <402188520903301315o5bdb4771v44a0a6617b0283f2@mail.gmail.com> > When I lived in Colorado Springs, my 1098 van simply ran as at sea level as > far as major carb jet adjustment was concerned. It did need a minor > adjustment as far as the idle speed went. Can't remember what it was I did > with it. But you were running SU carbs? JLC has a Weber ;-( From mgmaven at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 30 14:02:32 2009 From: mgmaven at bellsouth.net (Bob Spruck) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:02:32 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20090330165754.02c0ca98@mail.bellsouth.net> Of course you are correct. But I bet not many of us even know that they are not Phillips and if we do, either don't have a Posidrive screw driver or care to get the correct tool out of our box when a Phillips will "do the job." How's that for laziness? Bob At 02:37 PM 3/30/2009 , WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > > On the other hand if you realise that the Phillips head screws are in fact > Posidrive screws and you tighten them up with a Posidrive screwdriver you > don't bugger up the slots or need Allen-drive flathead screws... > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 30/03/2009 16:09:48 GMT Daylight Time, > mgmaven at bellsouth.net writes: >> >> I also replace the Phillips head screws with Allen-drive flathead screws >> since you can tighten them more without buggering up the slots. >> >> Bob From heard at datatrontech.net Mon Mar 30 14:06:52 2009 From: heard at datatrontech.net (Heard) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV In-Reply-To: <7ll0se$646pcd@email.mtu.edu> References: <07f601c9b14e$bf94df60$1801010a@xp> <7ll0se$646pcd@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <08ac01c9b17b$732ecaf0$1801010a@xp> Yeah, Ed, I got that. I'm fully aware you can stitch pics together, but I'm pretty sure if I upload it to CL, its going to get really, really small. They seem to have a pre-defined space for 4 pics and they will scale them down to fit that space. And as Tim says, in this case, they are still idividual pics. That is why I asked. I frequently put stuff on CL but I'm not real happy about the pics. So if it is something I really want someone to see well or want more than 4 pics, I put a link to our server with the pics. It would be nice to do it like this though. As to the heat shield, ??? -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Timothy H. Collins Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:00 PM To: 'Spridgets' Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV >Answered yer own questions, Heard !! LOL Pics are 'stitched together'. >most likely with PhotoShop. Nope. You can right click and save each individual pic if you choose to do so. If stitched together you would only be saving one picture. So we still don't have the Craig's List how to do multiple pics answer. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ You are subscribed as heard at datatrontech.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 14:27:55 2009 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:27:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D1395B.2020106@sbcglobal.net> What? Frank hates U-Joints!? Why, it's easy. (if you're very lucky) As several others have pointed out, John Twist can do it in five minutes! You can't let a Midwesterner get the better of you or you'll have to start eating deep dish pizza. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDX17xf9grA&feature=PlayList&p=CFB510794339861C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=11 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:16:43 -0400 From: Frank Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints To: Spridgets Message-ID: <49D02B8B.7010108 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ever since I was 18 and owned a shitfire that needed U joints once a week, I hated them I hate replacing U joints so much that I am forever using good used driveshafts in any Sprite I restore. Well I am out of good used shafts BUT I had a pair of U joints and a few driveshafts to beat apart. So why is it EVERY FREAKING time a needle bearing drops and screws up my new U joint? I have tried several different methods of pressing them in, beating them in, dropping the knuckle into the cap and every single time I mess up at least one cap by dropping a needle bearing. Tonight was no exception, 2 new joints, 2 now with one cut needle each. (quality Japanese steel) Yes made in Japan on the box. Imagine chinese U joints? I can't. From now on I will just take the drive shafts to the machine shop, it just not worth the aggravation. You would think someone would come up with a better U joint. No needle bearings or at least have them retained somehow. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From 72spridget at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:33:08 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:33:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints In-Reply-To: <49D1395B.2020106@sbcglobal.net> References: <49D1395B.2020106@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <402188520903301433r1671b3b3k85b1f7bab146e7df@mail.gmail.com> > What? Frank hates U-Joints!? > Why, it's easy. (if you're very lucky) As several others have pointed out, > John Twist can do it in five minutes! > You can't let a Midwesterner get the better of you or you'll have to start > eating deep dish pizza. :) In that case, Lee, I have a spare 1500 driveshaft here that you can have... I think it needs u-joints ;-) From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 15:10:37 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:10:37 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive Message-ID: Can you tell I'm from England and Ed is from the USA? In a message dated 30/03/2009 20:05:11 GMT Daylight Time, shop at justbrits.com writes: Posidrive screwdriver you don't bugger up the slots or need Allen-drive flathead screws...>> It IS PoziDriv From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 15:08:07 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:08:07 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Leaking gear oil help... Message-ID: Snap-On sell them and you can even have the handles in a different colour from your Phillips drivers. In a message dated 30/03/2009 19:57:47 GMT Daylight Time, oldsaabguy at comcast.net writes: still can't find a Pozi-drive set of drivers From peter at nosimport.com Mon Mar 30 15:15:00 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:15:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903301415297.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> I realised it. PPP At 05:10 PM 3/30/2009, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: >Can you tell I'm from England and Ed is from the USA? > >In a message dated 30/03/2009 20:05:11 GMT Daylight Time, shop at justbrits.com >writes: > >Posidrive screwdriver you >don't bugger up the slots or need Allen-drive flathead screws...>> > >It IS PoziDriv From cmlove at knology.net Mon Mar 30 15:18:21 2009 From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:18:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ce01c9b185$6fb79a00$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> http://tinyurl.com/d32cze Try this URL above.. Charles M. "Monty" Love Dynetics, Inc. 256-461-2780 256-337-5581 (Cell) 256-882-1543 (Home) ET Test The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:11 PM To: shop at justbrits.com; bugeye at yahoogroups.com; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive Can you tell I'm from England and Ed is from the USA? In a message dated 30/03/2009 20:05:11 GMT Daylight Time, shop at justbrits.com writes: Posidrive screwdriver you don't bugger up the slots or need Allen-drive flathead screws...>> It IS PoziDriv You are subscribed as cmlove at knology.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From wbmcleod at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 15:20:27 2009 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (Bill McLeod) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:20:27 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <200903301415297.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <200903301415297.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <49D145AB.2080608@gmail.com> Are you pozitive? Bill Peter Caldwell wrote: > I realised it. > > PPP > > At 05:10 PM 3/30/2009, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: >> Can you tell I'm from England and Ed is from the USA? >> >> In a message dated 30/03/2009 20:05:11 GMT Daylight Time, >> shop at justbrits.com >> writes: >> >> Posidrive screwdriver you >> don't bugger up the slots or need Allen-drive flathead screws...>> >> >> It IS PoziDriv > _______________________________________________ From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Mon Mar 30 15:26:56 2009 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:26:56 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV Message-ID: <1bcf001c9b186$a283f220$056a010a@mail2world.com> Sound deadening? Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> >From: Ed's Shop [shop at justbrits.com] >Sent: 3/30/2009 2:33:26 PM >To: spridgets at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV >. > ><<2. Is that heat shield under the bonnet? Why?>> > >Yep & good question!?! Prevent motor from sunburn ??? > >Anon > From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 17:11:41 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:11:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <00ce01c9b185$6fb79a00$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: Lester said: <> THAT is one of the LAMEST things I have read in YEARS, Lester. Then Monty correctly said: <> And Weslake referenced above, AND there is ALSO Mac Tools, Matco Tools, Cromwell Tools, SK Tools, McMaster-Carr, and a zillion (or so) other providers. IMVHO, the is absolutely NO reason to NOT have the CORRECT tool for anything on a Frogeye/Spridget. Lester, how many Phillips drivers have you been through AFTER ruining them doing/undoing PoziDriv fasteners??? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 17:13:12 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:13:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV In-Reply-To: <1bcf001c9b186$a283f220$056a010a@mail2world.com> Message-ID: <> Another 'good' idea, Chris !! Prob'ly didn't like all that lifter 'noise'?!?!? From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 16:15:10 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive Message-ID: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Bill McLeod wrote: > Are you pozitive? > Peter Caldwell wrote: > > I realised it. I think Ed'z confuzed about the differences between English and English.. As they say in the rest of the world: What do you call a person who speaks 2 languages? Bi-lingual. What do you call a person who speaks 3 languages? Tri-lingual. What do you call a person who speaks 1 language? American. Ron From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 16:18:43 2009 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV Message-ID: <139265.5715.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > ><<2. Is that heat shield under the bonnet? > Why?>> In an MGB, it gives you an extra 30 seconds or so before the catalytic converter fire chars the paint. As me how I know.... Ron From Mjsprite at aol.com Mon Mar 30 16:20:15 2009 From: Mjsprite at aol.com (Mjsprite at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:20:15 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose Message-ID: I got a set of blue ones a couple of years ago and they look cool and seem very durable. Probably the last set of hoses I'll have to buy. Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From kgb at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 30 16:20:47 2009 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:20:47 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D153CF.6020009@frontiernet.net> Speak for yourself. This American speaks four languages. Three of them since first learning to talk. Kate > What do you call a person who speaks 1 language? American. > > Ron From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 17:36:12 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV In-Reply-To: <08ac01c9b17b$732ecaf0$1801010a@xp> Message-ID: <> Not only IS Tim CORRECT in that they are NOT 'stitched' the pics are NOT on CS!! Smart gent just knows some HTML coding. Anybody can do it by adding html code to the description 'comments'!! Here IS how he did it (and it does NOT use CS's bandwidth but DOES use his up a LOT every time somebody looks at the page!!): [begin code] Please only serious buyers!
I will not let teenagers or people without the funds test drive it, so please don't waste my time.


{snipped OUT a bunch of pics] [interrupt code] Note that the pics ARE located at 'www.mercurephoto.com' and NOT CS. "IF" that site finds out WHY their bandwidth has SKYROCKETED they will either dump his pics or be CHARGING him for it!!! Had it happen ONCE when some A**hole "hot link" (that's what the practice is known as) one of my "Joke pics" and my site went down in a tad over an hour and the Co. wanted to charge me some unreal amount !!! [re-start code]



Keywords: 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1972, Austin, Healy, Austin Healy, Heely, Heelie, 1968 Austin Healey Sprite Mark IV, Mark 4, Mark III, Mark II, Sports car, sporty, convertible, classic, vintage plates, rust free, killer deal, classic car, MG, Spridget, Sprite, Sprint, British car, UK car, mini, micro, race car, SOVREN, vintage racing [interrupt code] See how the pics code is just part of the verbage?? Clever!! [re-start code]
[end code] That section IS where everybody would 'normally' put their pics. Note that ARE exactly FOUR . The pic would be placed between the > & . It is also why the pics get 'displayed' 2 per line with other 2 below. The does that. If they were left out, all 4 pics would be in a single row. [end html lesson] HTH From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 17:36:42 2009 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jeff Foster) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:36:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV In-Reply-To: References: <08ac01c9b17b$732ecaf0$1801010a@xp> Message-ID: <8de85a9c0903301736i754c37bfvc6c75791cf9f417a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > Note that the pics ARE located at 'www.mercurephoto.com' and NOT CS. > "IF" that site finds out WHY their bandwidth has SKYROCKETED they > will either dump his pics or be CHARGING him for it!!! Had it > happen ONCE when some A**hole "hot link" (that's what the practice is > known as) one of my "Joke pics" and my site went down in a tad over an hour > and the Co. wanted to charge me some unreal amount !!! mercurephoto.com probably is well aware of it ... the phone number given in the Q&A on eBay is the contact phone number listed on mercurephoto.com. It appears the eBay sale is over ... anyone here buy it? From PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 30 18:44:18 2009 From: PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net (Paul Asgeirsson) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:44:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude References: <017201c9b17b$b44feb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> <402188520903301315o5bdb4771v44a0a6617b0283f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005501c9b1a2$3589a040$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Ah! I missed that bit. Wonder if the designers of some go fast stuff all live at sea level and never go to the higher elevations! Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" <72spridget at gmail.com> To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude > > When I lived in Colorado Springs, my 1098 van simply ran as at sea level as > > far as major carb jet adjustment was concerned. It did need a minor > > adjustment as far as the idle speed went. Can't remember what it was I did > > with it. > > But you were running SU carbs? JLC has a Weber ;-( > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pasgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 17:50:58 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:50:58 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV References: <676673.64288.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F1E57004C834FC0BADF485E0801E8D5@psych.washington.edu> Message-ID: <15B9D2E388614647AE6CFFC439122482@blackbox2> Winning bid was $5,651.00. Somebody got a pretty good deal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ball" To: "Ron Soave" ; "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV >I don't know the car or owner, but he has had it up on Craigslist also. > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1089806875.html > > >> Great NW guys, do you know this car? Looks exceedingly clean. >> >> www.ebay.com Item number: 110366876901 >> >> Ron Soave >> "That which you manifest is before you" - Enzo the dog From george.brokaw at cox.net Mon Mar 30 18:02:40 2009 From: george.brokaw at cox.net (George Brokaw) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:02:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <49D153CF.6020009@frontiernet.net> References: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D153CF.6020009@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <050901c9b19c$643cf1e0$2cb6d5a0$@brokaw@cox.net> Hmmm??? I speak two languages... English and bad English. (Bruce Willis "The Fifth Element") ;^) -----Original Message----- Speak for yourself. This American speaks four languages. Three of them since first learning to talk. Kate > What do you call a person who speaks 1 language? American. > > Ron From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 18:07:16 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] I hate U joints In-Reply-To: <0225F151E7AA487CAEE1ADBEBEF3D6FD@dell330> References: <49D02B8B.7010108@comcast.net> <0225F151E7AA487CAEE1ADBEBEF3D6FD@dell330> Message-ID: <49D16CC4.4040700@comcast.net> GUY DAY wrote: > Frank, > Try wiping the inside of the joint, over the needles, with a goodly > layer of thick(ish) grease before assembly. You're going to pump them > full through the zerk (grease nipple) anyway. Don't hammer them > together, the needles fall out (LOL!). 'G' clamp if still under the > motor and in the vice if off. > Thanks Guy, that is exactly what I do, and on the bench in a vise. The needles still fall over and keep the snap ring from fitting in the groove. I hate U joints, always did. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 18:12:37 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:12:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... RE: Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A3B693F-ABF6-42CF-9965-3B877311FD7C@comcast.net> Now Ed, I've been on this list for a few years and I am CERTAIN that there have been lamer things written here.. Lester ;-) On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > Lester said: > > < buggered them up too.. still can't find a Pozi-drive set of drivers>> > > THAT is one of the LAMEST things I have read in YEARS, Lester. > > Then Monty correctly said: > > < Try this URL above..>> > > And Weslake referenced above, AND there is ALSO Mac Tools, > Matco Tools, Cromwell Tools, SK Tools, McMaster-Carr, and a > zillion (or so) other providers. > > IMVHO, the is absolutely NO reason to NOT have the CORRECT > tool for anything on a Frogeye/Spridget. > > Lester, how many Phillips drivers have you been through AFTER > ruining them doing/undoing PoziDriv fasteners??? > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com > > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (2)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Austin Healey Bugeye Frogeye > Sprite Club, please send a blank email to: bugeye-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > If you no longer want to receive emails, but wish to remain a member > of the group, you may go to the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bugeye/ > and change your subscription to "Web Only" and you will not receive > any emails. > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 7 > New Members > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > __,_._,___ From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 19:07:07 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:07:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <-6469149579069936302@unknownmsgid> References: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D153CF.6020009@frontiernet.net> <-6469149579069936302@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903301907l46518e41tacf9c569cd28a495@mail.gmail.com> > "The Fifth Element") > > ;^) > OOh, Milla, "Chicken......Good!" From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 19:07:33 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:07:33 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910903301907l2d1f5c9dl5282974948c05424@mail.gmail.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv From george.brokaw at cox.net Mon Mar 30 19:13:58 2009 From: george.brokaw at cox.net (George Brokaw) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903301907l46518e41tacf9c569cd28a495@mail.gmail.com> References: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D153CF.6020009@frontiernet.net> <-6469149579069936302@unknownmsgid> <5f00d9910903301907l46518e41tacf9c569cd28a495@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <052e01c9b1a6$5a005af0$0e0110d0$@brokaw@cox.net> Multipass! -----Original Message----- > > "The Fifth Element") > > ;^) > OOh, Milla, "Chicken......Good!" From davriker at nwi.net Mon Mar 30 20:05:07 2009 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:05:07 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV References: Message-ID: <1A1A960526E94CD9A28850099CA054DD@MAIN> With a premire membership to Webshots ($29 per year) I can link to all of my photos on webshots to any blog, craigslist, ebay, personal website at no additional charge. They even tell you what the code is so that you can cut and paste it. I use webshots for all of my Craigslist photos. Much higher quality, and usually a faster page load time than the craigslist hosted photos. End of unpaid endorsement. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: "'Spridgets'" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV > < them > down to fit that space. And as Tim says, in this case, they are still > individual pics. That is why I asked.>> > > Not only IS Tim CORRECT in that they are NOT 'stitched' the pics are > NOT on CS!! Smart gent just knows some HTML coding. Anybody can > do it by adding html code to the description 'comments'!! > > Here IS how he did it (and it does NOT use CS's bandwidth but DOES use > his up a LOT every time somebody looks at the page!!): From shop at justbrits.com Mon Mar 30 21:19:40 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:19:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... RE: Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <3A3B693F-ABF6-42CF-9965-3B877311FD7C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> NOT as an 'excuse' for NOT having the RIGHT tool, Lester !!! From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 22:14:13 2009 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive In-Reply-To: <052e01c9b1a6$5a005af0$0e0110d0$@brokaw@cox.net> References: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D153CF.6020009@frontiernet.net> <-6469149579069936302@unknownmsgid> <5f00d9910903301907l46518e41tacf9c569cd28a495@mail.gmail.com> <052e01c9b1a6$5a005af0$0e0110d0$@brokaw@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A51E047-1B72-43EC-A417-4EB9F33CC90D@comcast.net> ... perfect.... On Mar 30, 2009, at 9:13 PM, George Brokaw wrote: > Multipass! > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> "The Fifth Element") >> >> ;^) >> > > > OOh, Milla, "Chicken......Good!" > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grday at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 01:36:54 2009 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Posidrive or Pozidrive References: <426401.96827.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D153CF.6020009@frontiernet.net> <-6469149579069936302@unknownmsgid><5f00d9910903301907l46518e41tacf9c569cd28a495@mail.gmail.com><052e01c9b1a6$5a005af0$0e0110d0$@brokaw@cox.net> <4A51E047-1B72-43EC-A417-4EB9F33CC90D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Let's face it, the simple reason why you don't find a posidrive screwdriver OR a pozidrive screwdriver is because it is called a pozidriv screwdriver. Now if you have ever had to buy a triwing screwdriver set ..... I had to make one ! (You can get them on ebay now.) Ed - do you stock them? Guy R Day From pilotrob at webtv.net Tue Mar 31 08:57:06 2009 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:57:06 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay MKIV Message-ID: "Sound deadening" Sure. Series A/B motors make a lot of (relatively speaking) mechanical noise to the extent these motors are usually not compatible with most electronic knock detector/sensors. Install hi-lift rockers and add the usual additonal plus .03 to stock valve clearances accordingly and the noise level really climbs. :) Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From breton48 at live.com Tue Mar 31 10:03:23 2009 From: breton48 at live.com (JLC) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:03:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rejetting carbs for high altitude In-Reply-To: <017201c9b17b$b44feb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> References: <017201c9b17b$b44feb40$f675fea9@p0k7l8> Message-ID: Paul, I already adjusted the idle mixture screws, and I fitted spark plugs one step warmer, but a change in main jets might be necessary - I am running twin Webers 40 DCOEs, not SUs. I have not been out in the Lotus for over a week, and as the weather prediction is for more snow (we just had a couple of storms) over the next 4 days, I will not be out for at least another week... when I do take the car out, I will fill the gas tank with regular gas, and see how much difference it makes. The engine was already running too rich after the last dyno session in San Diego, but now it is even worse due to the altitude. JLC in the Black Forest at 7400 feet, near Colorado Springs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Paul A wrote: When I lived in Colorado Springs, my 1098 van simply ran as at sea level as far as major carb jet adjustment was concerned. It did need a minor adjustment as far as the idle speed went. Can't remember what it was I did with it. The change in altitude height certainly did take away from the "Peppiness" of the engine, compared to San Diego, but any adjustment was really tiny as far as idle and running was concerned. Check the oil level in the carb on a frequent basis, though, as that can make a real difference in driveability. From 72spridget at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:05:55 2009 From: 72spridget at gmail.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:05:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust Prevention In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10903311203y22b55151r29506677a95a45e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <107432FE-7667-4B76-AD9F-8ABC6549485C@comcast.net> <402188520903301253p17b31191idbca264fd72ae541@mail.gmail.com> <2ad6c6b10903311203y22b55151r29506677a95a45e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <402188520903311305q55c6c9fcp9515e420edd0397e@mail.gmail.com> Purple sounds like a great reason not to paint them ;-) There is still time to come to your senses. OTOH, a light coat of a lighter color that purple would easily cover would probably be a good idea. David On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:03 PM, WFO Herb wrote: > Paint later, once I decide on color...I like purple! > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:53 PM, David Lieb <72spridget at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> And just why don't you want to paint them? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as froggi60 at gmail.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Mar 31 13:14:00 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:14:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D21718.17206.1392551@kk7ss.verizon.net> Daniel, I just received my downflow hoses... Thank yo very much... I have a question wwhich type clamps to use... Which clamps are recommended? The flat metal SS straps with a screw drive (hose clamps), or the "original" ones that look like two bits of bent wire with a nut and bolt (Jubilee clips?)?? I'm guessing that the originals would cut through the silicon in a heart beat... Thanks.. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From rrengineer at dslextreme.com Tue Mar 31 13:25:51 2009 From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:25:51 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose In-Reply-To: <49D21718.17206.1392551@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49D21718.17206.1392551@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: Got mine today too. If a car part can be, they are pretty. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Dave G. wrote: > Daniel, > > I just received my downflow hoses... Thank yo very much... > > I have a question wwhich type clamps to use... > > Which clamps are recommended? The flat metal SS straps with a screw > drive (hose clamps), or the "original" ones that look like two bits > of bent wire with a nut and bolt (Jubilee clips?)?? > > I'm guessing that the originals would cut through the silicon in a > heart beat... > > Thanks.. > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > > If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still > alive !! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rrengineer at dslextreme.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 31 13:37:29 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:37:29 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Jubillee stainless steel hose clamps Message-ID: _http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/_ (http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/) Hi list link for jubillee clips - not sure if they have a US distributor. The key thing is they are smooht on the inside so don't damage silicone hoses. Also if you get them in stainless steel they won't rust either. Regards Daniel In a message dated 31/03/2009 21:26:05 GMT Daylight Time, rrengineer at dslextreme.com writes: Got mine today too. If a car part can be, they are pretty. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Dave G. <_kk7ss at verizon.net_ (mailto:kk7ss at verizon.net) > wrote: Daniel, I just received my downflow hoses... Thank yo very much... I have a question wwhich type clamps to use... Which clamps are recommended? The flat metal SS straps with a screw drive (hose clamps), or the "original" ones that look like two bits of bent wire with a nut and bolt (Jubilee clips?)?? I'm guessing that the originals would cut through the silicon in a heart beat... Thanks.. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! You are subscribed as _rrengineer at dslextreme.com_ (mailto:rrengineer at dslextreme.com) _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) _http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets) From peter at nosimport.com Tue Mar 31 14:05:58 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:05:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose In-Reply-To: <49D21718.17206.1392551@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <49D21718.17206.1392551@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <200903311305270.SM01632@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Zebra clamps used to be available from Wurth USA. They sell and stock many European oriented auto repair shops and dealers. I noticed from their website www.wurthusa.com that they don't have the Zebra brand. They now have Torro brand, which look to be the same idea. SS, rolled edges, no perforations http://www.norma.net.au/norma-torro.html Which is what Daniel wants, I think. Peter C. === At 03:14 PM 3/31/2009, Dave G. wrote: >Daniel, > >I just received my downflow hoses... Thank yo very much... > >I have a question wwhich type clamps to use... > >Which clamps are recommended? The flat metal SS straps with a screw >drive (hose clamps), or the "original" ones that look like two bits >of bent wire with a nut and bolt (Jubilee clips?)?? > >I'm guessing that the originals would cut through the silicon in a >heart beat... > >Thanks.. >-- >Dave G. KK7SS >'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > >If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still >alive !! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Tue Mar 31 14:14:03 2009 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:14:03 EDT Subject: [Spridgets] Hose clips for Silicone hose Message-ID: It's what my custemers need!!! I have Jubilee s/s clamps on my Sprite. Yes, the hoses below look like they will be ok with silicone hose and remember you don't need to really tighten the clamps as hard with silicone as you do with rubber hoses. In a message dated 31/03/2009 22:06:13 GMT Daylight Time, peter at nosimport.com writes: Zebra clamps used to be available from Wurth USA. They sell and stock many European oriented auto repair shops and dealers. I noticed from their website www.wurthusa.com that they don't have the Zebra brand. They now have Torro brand, which look to be the same idea. SS, rolled edges, no perforations http://www.norma.net.au/norma-torro.html Which is what Daniel wants, I think. Peter C. From wmgilroy at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:43:25 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:43:25 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air Message-ID: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> I have never seen this solution, http://us.kaeser.com/Current_Affairs/Press/Press_Q-SmartPipeCatalog.asp#0. Looks much easier than the black iron I have around the garage. Not sure about the cost. -g From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Mar 31 15:01:26 2009 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:01:26 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> References: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <832559763.20090331150126@pacifier.com> Hello William, My father-in-law did his shop with PVC pipe. He used appropriate drainage points to let out the inevitable moisture collection. He put in quick disconnects every 20' or so. He figured if he ever needs to add in another tap its easier to cut and glue than to saw and thread and union back together. No rust EVER. So.. Easier, Cheaper, Faster.... NO down side! Someone will disagree. It's the nature of the list. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" "The cheque is in the post," Tom assented. From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:03:42 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:03:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> References: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903311503k94c1d11ve5fe2a9e02fe3957@mail.gmail.com> +1 for PVC, easy and cheap. From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 31 16:15:10 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:15:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Looks like the same thing Tip Tools has been offering for a couple years, Bill!! Ed From shop at justbrits.com Tue Mar 31 16:17:54 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:17:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910903311503k94c1d11ve5fe2a9e02fe3957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <<+1 for PVC, easy and cheap.>> BUT derF, one has to be SURE they purchase the correct 'Schedule' stuff NOT the water usage stuff!! Ed From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:25:58 2009 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:25:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: References: <5f00d9910903311503k94c1d11ve5fe2a9e02fe3957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910903311525s3c45ea1fmab7494afb84edd4c@mail.gmail.com> Well, yeah, just like every time one fills up they need to make sure they don't (or do, in some cases) use the gas pumps with the green handles. Apply a little common sense. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > <<+1 for PVC, easy and cheap.>> > > BUT derF, one has to be SURE they > purchase the correct 'Schedule' stuff > NOT the water usage stuff!! > > Ed From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:36:54 2009 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:36:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Voting begins tomorrow on the Midget 50th Venue!! Message-ID: <43840a7e0903311536s69c15b42hb8bf1e544d697c41@mail.gmail.com> *Help us select the location for the big National MG Midget 50th Anniversary Celebration!!* * * *All Spridget owners and enthusiasts are encouraged to go to the Sprite-Midget Club USA website and vote for their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices out of the 7 excellent proposals for this 2011 special event! Just log on to: , select the tab for "Midget 50th" and follow the voting directions. Please carefully read each proposal before voting to be fair to all those who submitted proposals.* * * *The voting rules are simple and we are using the "honor" system. Each Spridgeteer is allowed one vote. The computer you vote from will be logged and you will only be able to vote once but we trust Spridgeteers to be honest. You will be able to see the up to the moment vote tallies after you have voted.* * * *Voting begins 12:00 am PDT, Wednesday, April 1st, 2009. It will continue until midnight PDT, Wednesday, April 22nd, 2009. Results will be posted to the website by midnight Friday April 24th, 2009. * * * *As soon as the winning venue has been selected, a competition will be launched for a Logo and Poster for "50 Years of Midgets - A Spridget Event". Details of the competition will be on the website by Sunday 26th, 2009.* *Sincerely, Your hard working pre-event committee* From billmasq at hotmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:59:31 2009 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:59:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> References: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: I broached this subject in hydraulics class back in college (PVC air pipe) and the professor said that the only reason that this is not done in industry is the fire danger. The plastic pipe will NOT continue to burn normally but if the fire is fed with compressed air it will roar out of control in seconds. The above is for plastic pipe ONLY- the aluminum pipe in Bill's site are a different animal. If you do it just use some common sense and always have a fire bottle in the area, just like always! Bill > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:43:25 -0700 > From: wmgilroy at gmail.com > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air > > I have never seen this solution, > http://us.kaeser.com/Current_Affairs/Press/Press_Q-SmartPipeCatalog.asp#0. > Looks much easier than the black iron I have around the garage. Not > sure about the cost. > > -g > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Tue Mar 31 16:02:05 2009 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:02:05 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <832559763.20090331150126@pacifier.com> Message-ID: > Someone will disagree. It's the nature of the list. Pick me! Pick me!! PVC doesn't dissipate heat well, and you can't trap steam. You have to get the water cool enough to condense. This is more of a problem some places than others, but dry air is always preferable. Gluing is also not nearly as manly as cutting threads in steel. From bkitterer at mac.com Tue Mar 31 16:09:39 2009 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:09:39 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Jubillee stainless steel hose clamps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69479F29-02FF-4577-A7D7-3DD31AA5C31A@mac.com> List, I have some extra clamps for silicon hoses. Recently found a supplier but had to order bulk quantities, so have a few extras. My cost plus shipping. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Mar 31, 2009, at 1:37 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > _http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/_ (http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/) > > > Hi list link for jubillee clips - not sure if they have a US > distributor. > The key thing is they are smooht on the inside so don't damage > silicone hoses. > Also if you get them in stainless steel they won't rust either. > > Regards > > Daniel > > In a message dated 31/03/2009 21:26:05 GMT Daylight Time, > rrengineer at dslextreme.com writes: > > Got mine today too. If a car part can be, they are pretty. > Mike MacLean > 60 Sprite > 56 BN2 > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Dave G. <_kk7ss at verizon.net_ > (mailto:kk7ss at verizon.net) > wrote: > > Daniel, > > I just received my downflow hoses... Thank yo very much... > > I have a question wwhich type clamps to use... > > Which clamps are recommended? The flat metal SS straps with a screw > drive (hose clamps), or the "original" ones that look like two bits > of bent wire with a nut and bolt (Jubilee clips?)?? > > I'm guessing that the originals would cut through the silicon in a > heart beat... > > Thanks.. > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > > If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still > alive !! > You are subscribed as _rrengineer at dslextreme.com_ > (mailto:rrengineer at dslextreme.com) > > _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) > > _http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets_ > (http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Mar 31 16:17:46 2009 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:17:46 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hose clips for Silicone hose In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D2422A.8477.1E1632E@kk7ss.verizon.net> I was browsing the Wurth PDF catalog, section 7.... I'm opining (nice word!) that their Marine Grade SS Hose Clamps (example #15478128) would be ideal for the Silicon Hoses... Their (tiny) URL is Preview - http://preview.tinyurl.com/cxorr4 PDF Section download - http://tinyurl.com/cxorr4 What do you think?? Dave G. On 31 Mar 2009 at 17:14, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: >> >> It's what my custemers need!!! I have Jubilee s/s clamps on my >> Sprite. >> Yes, the hoses below look like they will be ok with silicone hose >> and remember you don't need to really tighten the clamps as >> hard with silicone as you do with rubber hoses. >> peter at nosimport.com writes: >> Zebra clamps used to be available from Wurth USA. They >> sell and stock many European oriented auto repair shops >> and dealers. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 31 16:18:10 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:18:10 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Verizon Scam, no LCB content Message-ID: My daughter sent the following, which I checked and found to be correct. I went to my Verizon account and learned that I had agreed to let Verizon give out whatever information they have on me, including phone calls, to pretty much anyone who pays them, and probable the government as well. I had agreed to this by failing to "opt out" in one of those multipart advertizements that we all ignore. ("If you don't respond, we assume you accept.") If you have Verizon Wireless, better check this out. Michael Rowe See this NY Times article about Verizon sharing customer information: http://www.nytimes.com/external/readwriteweb/2009/03/07/07readwriteweb-verizon_customers_-_just_say_no.html?em There's an italicized blurb at the bottom that links to a website that shows you how to opt-out of the info-sharing, which sounds like a good idea. From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Mar 31 16:22:30 2009 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Jubillee stainless steel hose clamps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did not find a source of Jubilee clips in the US, but I did fine from several sources, "lined hose clamps" which serve the same function. Michael Rowe From dlh2001 at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 17:13:09 2009 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:13:09 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Hose clips for Silicone hose References: Message-ID: <1F41FFCC877F4FAE8C54086FF5557E07@blackbox2> How about the wire type for use with the silicone hose? Like these... http://www.jdheritage.net/DeerelyDeparted/Items/1006.asp From wmgilroy at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:55:01 2009 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:55:01 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D2BB65.1080104@gmail.com> /wRJQbe: Permission denied From millerls at ado13.com Tue Mar 31 18:10:43 2009 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:10:43 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Hose clips for Silicone hose References: <1F41FFCC877F4FAE8C54086FF5557E07@blackbox2> Message-ID: I use these on my silicone hoses. http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3613 From ridleymj at bis.on.ca Tue Mar 31 18:40:08 2009 From: ridleymj at bis.on.ca (Martyn Ridley) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:40:08 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] John Sprinzel - Austin- Healey Gathering Message-ID: <200904010140.n311e5XL011848@brantnet.kwic.com> I've been off the list for the past few months (winter & work -yuk) so I'm not sure if this has gotten out. John Sprinzel of Sprinzel Sprite fame will be in Kingston Ontario June 21-26 as an honoured guest of the Austin-Healey Club of Southern Ontario, at their conclave event. Those of you who missed John last year, here is your chance. Not the mention, conclave, which will also have a track day at Shannonville Motorsport park, a car show, tours of wine country, or the Canadian shied, TSD or fun rallye (which should favour Sprites - since the Rallye-Master is a devotee), and much more. I attach the web-site below so you can sign up. http://www.bob.byethost12.com/index.html Five Reasons why you should go to Kingston: 1. John Sprinzel 2. The US$ is at a 20% premium - your money goes further 3. The weather will be warm but not hot beyond endurance in Sprite 4. A gathering of Sprite Drivers is always a great time and not to be missed 5. There is excellent shopping and dining locations, many by beautiful Lake Ontario and the chance to visit several wineries and cheese factories. 6. Kingston is steeped in history, and ambiance, offering the visitor a wide range of attractions. OK 6 My son tells me there is a 7th, something about ladies with no strings? .....must be getting old Cheers, Martyn From pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com Tue Mar 31 19:07:09 2009 From: pixelsmith at gerardsgarage.com (Gerard Chateauvieux) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:07:09 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget and AH Sprite High Performance Manual Message-ID: <8394CC14-3BA5-4411-8F0A-1C578C18E6D8@gerardsgarage.com> For anyone not familiar, one of the great books available for A- series tuning is Daniel Stapleton's Midget and AH Sprite High Performance Manual. As the title suggests, the info is primarily directed to Spridgets, but contains "valuable information on engine, transmission and other tuning information relevant to the in-line A- series cars:Morris Minor, Austin, A40 Morris Marina and Ilal." I would add the much is applicable to transverse A-series engines as well. Every major system is covered from electrical to bodywork. There are many great tips, product comparison and loaded with photos too. This book is a wealth of information Daniel has compiled over the years (this is the 3rd Edition) and has lots of new and up to date information. It's a "must have" for A-series fans. More info and a preview is available from a link on my home page. Anyone interested can purchase the book directly from my web site also. Just click on the book cover image to find out more. Please let me know if you have any questions. Gerard http://gerardsgarage.com/ From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 19:30:44 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:30:44 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose In-Reply-To: References: <49D21718.17206.1392551@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <49D2D1D4.30705@comcast.net> Got mine too, the red ones will look stunning on the black engine in the Ladybug. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From spritenut at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 19:45:07 2009 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:45:07 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> References: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2D533.901@comcast.net> I have had PVC (schedule 40) in my garage since I bought a compressor many years ago. No it's not as manly as cutting and treading black pipe but the glue sure smells good ;) Use a primer before you glue it. I ran 3/4" pipe all over on both floors, drain valve stems run down to the floor Shut off valves here, there, and one at the tank on each side of the water separator. Do NOT use a horrible freight regulator or water separator, Don't use the chinese Sears crapsman one either, and don't even think about air tools from home defect. they leak from day one and die in a year. Get a good one from an industrial supply. One word of caution, never EVER put an open flame salamander in the garage under the PVC pipe to heat it up before you paint a car, As you start mixing the paint and the car warms up, the PVC will expand to about 4" before it blows and scares the crap out of you because you thought the garage just blew up. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ My own Fleet of Sprites From mikey at b2systems.com Tue Mar 31 17:37:10 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:37:10 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Plumbing a shop for air In-Reply-To: <832559763.20090331150126@pacifier.com> References: <49D28E7D.1020002@gmail.com> <832559763.20090331150126@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1238546231.6719.77.camel@WebBrowser> Ok, I will be the one to disagree !!! PVC air pipe is DANGEROUS !!! It gets brittle and when it lets go you will have lots of shrapnel coming at you. The fire issue has already been brought up and its also correct but I figure by the time the fire gets to the lines you have bigger problems anyway. I once saw a shop done with PVC airlines and thought it was the greatest thing I ever saw, went home and planned on doing the same thing, then I researched it and it is dangerous. Yes, I agree some people have had PVC air lines for years and years with no issues but it gets brittle with age and is not really designed for the hammering that happens when you use a air tool on/off. When it lets go it will be a catastrophic failure and I hope you are not in the shop or in the way of the shrapnel that will be flying. At the very least if you are going to use it make sure its out of the way so you don't accidentally smack it with something while moving stuff around the garage since when its under pressure it is more likely to break when you hit it. There are other issues too, it does not get rid of moisture in the lines as well as a properly designed air system since it does not cool the air as quickly. I have to agree it is easy to work with, I went with copper pipe for the same reason that its easy to work with, yeah not cheap but its a once in a lifetime investment in my shop, I silver soldered the connections near the compressor and plain soldered the rest (compressor can get hot and I figured the heat might weaken the solder, doubt it but it was easy...) Yes, there are people out there who have had PVC air lines for decades and have had no issues, some people also drive their Spridget their whole life for many hundreds of thousands of miles with no breakdowns, others don't. mike On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 15:01 -0700, Bill L wrote: > Hello William, > > My father-in-law did his shop with PVC pipe. He used appropriate > drainage points to let out the inevitable moisture collection. He > put in quick disconnects every 20' or so. He figured if he ever needs > to add in another tap its easier to cut and glue than to saw and > thread and union back together. No rust EVER. So.. > > Easier, Cheaper, Faster.... NO down side! > > Someone will disagree. It's the nature of the list. From mikey at b2systems.com Tue Mar 31 18:01:00 2009 From: mikey at b2systems.com (mike rambour) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:01:00 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 50th voting has serious bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238547660.6719.81.camel@WebBrowser> What flaw ? I am aware of one flaw that I assumed was minor but what flaw. By the way...best to do this offline to me or Jim, I just replied here so that others could also e-mail with issues. If you are talking about being able to vote twice, talk to me. mike On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 08:56 -0700, Rick Bastedo wrote: > This really needs attention. > I've sent email to SpriteMidgetClub at gmail.comThis e-mail address is being > protected from spambots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it and posted > over at BCF. > After voting I found a really big flaw - this really didn't take long to > find and I wasn't looking. > I just did what one might normally do after being presented with the current > voting results. > If nobody cares fine, but IMHO this is bad enough to start over. > > Rick (former web / database designer, currently a DBA) Bastedo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mikey at b2systems.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets