From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 04:02:50 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:02:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country NOW WORLD ... Trip
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080930140735.03aa7ea0@nosimport.com>
References: <205cef430809300833n5a2471c6wa1d3f2281a148763@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC0182338F184B29941522EAC826CBF3@GuyLaptop>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20080930140735.03aa7ea0@nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430810010302p3c17445aw28ebe0ffa479aac2@mail.gmail.com>

Peter & List,
The site timed out I'll check it later today. I am very excited to see this
: )
Thanks Linda

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Peter C <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> Guy,
>         Outstanding read!  Yikes.   The journal is amazing.
>
>         Thanks
> Peter
> ===
> At 12:35 PM 9/30/2008, Guy Weller wrote:
> >Currently, this chap is driving his 1500 Midget on an around the world
> trip.
> >Started from the UK, through Europe, and is currently in India. He goes on
> >through
> >S E Asia and then across Australia before shipping it to USA.
> >
> >Take a look at his web site:
> >http://bridgetthemidget.co.uk/
> >
> >Guy
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 04:09:29 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:09:29 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Do we know this Bugeye owner with a carbon fiber bonnet?
Message-ID: <205cef430810010309s16446e14p947145ea02aae285@mail.gmail.com>

List,
I was looking for photos of the Bugeye Around the World trip of 59 or 60 as
I have a photo in a Sprite book but can't find it on line and came across
this site http://johncunningham.net.au/restoration.htm

This guy has a carbon fiber bonnet pretty cool huh!
Lin

62 California Sprite "PInky"
www.freewebs.com/lgrunthaner

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 04:33:44 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:33:44 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hard Top REAR mounts?
In-Reply-To: <67735200.20080928122011@pacifier.com>
References: <67735200.20080928122011@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430810010333k5fc2fd4bg2111ba478ef9bda0@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,
I am putting mine on again this fall and I used only the carriage bolts on
the inside posts and front lip but I have a 62 I don't think they are the
same.
Lin

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:

> Hello Spridgets,
>
>  The parts arrived from MacGregor and the HARD top now sits atop my
>  car! Probably a bad time to have done that as the weather is is
>  absolutey PERFECT for top down driving, ... anyway....
>
>  The front clamps i'm using are from a later soft top, and work just
>  fine (thanx Bill M.) I thought i was going to be able to use 1/4-20
>  carriage bolts for the side mounts, but i'll have to get longer
>  ones. I'm using #10 copper wire right now, just twisted tight. ..
>  but what about the REAR mounts? I've come to understand that even
>  back then nobody really used 'em, but does anybody have a picture or
>  drawing of what they might look like?.. i could have a set fabbed
>  up at work IF i had a clue....
>
>  TIA
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Bill L.                          mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>
>  '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403  "the red thing"
>
>  "They are not answering - we'd better try the knocker," said Tom
> adoringly.
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From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU  Wed Oct  1 05:55:13 2008
From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
In-Reply-To: <C50821DD.19FB4%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C50821DD.19FB4%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <48E36521.7030201@lehigh.edu>

   Billy Zoom wrote:

When in doubt, just vote against anything liberal.
_______________________________________________

   My  brother  says  I'm  a closet conservative, but after watching this
   video, I'm still denying it!
   http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/8/Rudy-Giuliani-in-Drag-Being-Gr
   oped-by-Donald-Trump-343174.html
   John
   Fogelsville, PA

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Wed Oct  1 06:37:58 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:37:58 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>

And do not forget the BABE Rallye, David L & Biff J in a Midget and  
Rob V & I in a true Spridget. ~1500 miles in 4 days one way and 1400  
home in 2. (David went further). Pics and video on the OSHIT site.

Larry

On Sep 30, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Ed's Shop wrote:

> <<It would be great to see a Spridget do the same trip.>>
>
> Well, I once did a business trip from SW side of Chi to Sanford, Fla  
> (just
> outside of Orlando).  Started out Thur, stayed in Sanford Holiday  
> Inn Thur
> nite, attended Sales Meeting Fri. AM 'til 3:00PM and was home Sat. AM,
> Linda.  Sprite Mk. II with CB ants on rear bumper irons (twins) and  
> actually
> bird-dogged for a 18 wheeler around the GA P.O.E. a little after mid- 
> nite.
> <VBG>!!  Truckers were calling me "The only true roller-skate"  
> EVER !! LOL
>
> Then a buddy used his MGA (OLDER THAN Sprites) for THIS 'trip'!!
> http://www.mgaguru.com/mg11.htm
>
> Then there is also a REAL 'interesting' trip (right David L.??) of  
> these
> folks:  http://www.justbrits.com/cars/Austin7s.html
>
> And keep in mind "The Bill & Bill Road Show" (Spridgets) from FAR NW  
> to/from
> LotO!!!
>
> Enjoy!!
>
> Ed
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-- 

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club



"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've  
never actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams

From pythias at pacifier.com  Wed Oct  1 06:44:50 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:44:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hard Top REAR mounts?
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810010333k5fc2fd4bg2111ba478ef9bda0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <67735200.20080928122011@pacifier.com>
	<205cef430810010333k5fc2fd4bg2111ba478ef9bda0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1906279013.20081001054450@pacifier.com>

Hello Linda,

     yes, i'm using carriage bolts for the sides, but the MK IIIs have
     rear clips on the rear "deck" for the soft top, and i see bolt
     holes for some sort of bracket on the rear of the HT.. but the
     clips seem to face the wrong direction......hmmmmm?

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar 

From heard at datatrontech.net  Wed Oct  1 06:48:34 2008
From: heard at datatrontech.net (Heard)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:48:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
In-Reply-To: <DFA6A5B73794432A8C3E94B3996812D5@AndrewHP>
References: <C506D7E1.19F3C%billyzoom@billyzoom.com><28EEE362C374406594C7C0F19DEAE78E@Larry><441250190809301514l2ec3ad63id44a07016ef5cb00@mail.gmail.com><48E2BE9D.4040003@frontiernet.net>
	<DFA6A5B73794432A8C3E94B3996812D5@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <101c01c923c4$04144810$1801010a@xp>

What I liked best was how Katie asked Palin to recite McCains voting record
but she asked Obama what his favorite movie was.  That was cool!

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+heard=datatrontech.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+heard=datatrontech.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Andrew Payne
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:15 PM
To: 'Kathryn Bales'
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] economics of toys

Kate,

This is actually really interesting, I have been following this story (both
on this list as well as more mainstream sources of news) since the comment
was made weeks ago.  Somehow, this is the first intelligent answer I have
heard as to why Palin's comment was remotely valid.

I've deleted several overly political rants, and have settled on this:  If
this is true, (which I expect it is) and Palin is remotely qualified to be
VP and likely President; why was she incapable of providing such a lucid
answer in a timely manner and instead hid behind charges of sexism?  On the
upside, so long as she never faces another foe as tough as Katie Couric,
then I guess we'll probably be OK.

From pythias at pacifier.com  Wed Oct  1 07:15:29 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <1632592889.20081001061529@pacifier.com>

Hello ,

        Hey, we can't forget that my son and I did over 2000 miles in
        three days, about 1200 miles in ONE DAY on the way home from
        LoTO...Gillette Wyoming to Kelso Washington, via Seattle.
         and i still claim the 21st Century record for mileage
        in a single day in a sprite!   (i know others did more in a
        previous century)

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  This tagline only uses recycled keystrokes 

From tinydog at snet.net  Wed Oct  1 07:19:20 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:19:20 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hard Top REAR mounts?
In-Reply-To: <1906279013.20081001054450@pacifier.com>
References: <67735200.20080928122011@pacifier.com><205cef430810010333k5fc2fd4bg2111ba478ef9bda0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1906279013.20081001054450@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <100120081319.26060.48E378D8000AE238000065CC22216125569B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

 tinydog asked:

Is your hardtop, a factory hardtop?

  -------------- Original message from Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com>: --------------


> Hello Linda,
> 
>      yes, i'm using carriage bolts for the sides, but the MK IIIs have
>      rear clips on the rear "deck" for the soft top, and i see bolt
>      holes for some sort of bracket on the rear of the HT.. but the
>      clips seem to face the wrong direction......hmmmmm?
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>  
>  '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct  1 07:28:48 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:28:48 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <ABB2362456C54279ABDDE28E01D616E5@NilesAD.von.gov>

> And do not forget the BABE Rallye, David L & Biff J in a Midget and
> Rob V & I in a true Spridget. ~1500 miles in 4 days one way and 1400
> home in 2. (David went further). Pics and video on the OSHIT site.

Hey! Our Spridget was truer than yours ;-)
Yes, I know that you mean that your car had bits from both Sprites and 
Midgets, but it had a LOT of non-Spridget aspects as well. Heck, ours ran a 
Lucas alternator. Of course the regulator died on the third day of the rally 
and we drove from Fort Payne, AL to New Orleans with the headlights on to 
"regulate" the voltage down to the point of not boiling the battery. For me, 
the trip went from Palatine, IL to Statten Island, NY by way of York, PA (to 
pick up Biff), followed by the piddling 1500-mile rally, then back to York 
to drop off Biff, complete with three hours parked on the interstate by 
Birmingham, AL because a state trooper had executed a high-speed crossing of 
the median and crashed into another car, killing the driver. Then home to 
Palatine from York. It turns out that not only does the 7-gallon Midget tank 
make for decent tiing for driver changes, it is also possible to sleep in an 
open Spridget at speed if you are tired enough. My trip was a bit over 4000 
miles in 7 days in a "parts car". I had oil loss issues, so fuel stops also 
meant dumping a couple quarts of oil into the engine as well.

A few years ago, my daughter and I took a trip from Palatine, IL to Sedona, 
AZ and back in the Midget, too. Once again, I got to spend three hours or so 
parked on the interstate. This time it was just past Albuquerque, NM because 
of a grass fire.

In February, Trish and I flew out to Reno to buy Crash's Bugeye. We drove it 
3200 miles home by way of the Pacific Coast Highway and San Diego, to say 
nothing of Sedona, the Grand Canyon, the Petrified Forest, Painted Desert, 
etc. It rained on us most of the way, but it was snow at the Grand Canyon 
and from St Louis to Palatine. I gotta say that the Bugeye leaks less than 
my Midget...

I have also commuted a few times to the Valentine's LBC Rallye in PA, but 
that is only about 750 miles each way, so it hardly counts.

Some of us still drive them...
David Lieb 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 08:39:36 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com><883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>
	<ABB2362456C54279ABDDE28E01D616E5@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <F4253FE071164281AAF8692D7A7B0111@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>

...My trip was a bit over 4000 
miles in 7 days in a "parts car". 


David Lieb 
_______________________________________________

Mickey takes offense in you calling him a "parts car".  ;- )

LAD

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct  1 08:59:32 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com><883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>
	<ABB2362456C54279ABDDE28E01D616E5@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<F4253FE071164281AAF8692D7A7B0111@Larry>
Message-ID: <EC694947CCED4CD98B4A626BC3DFFF89@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Mickey takes offense in you calling him a "parts car".  ;- )

Last I knew, he was back to being a pile of parts...

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 09:01:06 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:01:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com><883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>
	<ABB2362456C54279ABDDE28E01D616E5@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<F4253FE071164281AAF8692D7A7B0111@Larry>
	<EC694947CCED4CD98B4A626BC3DFFF89@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <8CFF784E6A6F489FAB10A212576842BC@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>
To: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>; "Spridget List" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip


> Mickey takes offense in you calling him a "parts car".  ;- )

Last I knew, he was back to being a pile of parts...

==================

Many piles. 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 09:06:17 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:06:17 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
In-Reply-To: <373089.11884.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C506D7E1.19F3C%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<373089.11884.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810010806y416e2254s56ae26db2bb8123e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I dunno...Clinton went to school in England,
>

<snip>

Yup.  He was at Oxford.  I had a physics class at Christ Church College,
Oxford at the same time hee was there while I was stationed there in the Air
Force. I fondly remember "His Nibs" whipping up the European radicals and
leading a bunch of them down to High Wycombe USAF base so that I could stand
guard duty all night long while these kind and gentle souls called us "baby
killers" and threw $hit on us.  Loved it.  That outstanding future president
actually led foreign radicals in a protest against military people of his
own country on foreign soil. Now THATs patriotic loyalty for you!!

BTW,  do any of you people have actual spridgets or did this list just
become a forum for political science? I've been out of town and may have
missed it.....   ;-)
-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Wed Oct  1 09:42:13 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:42:13 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810010806y416e2254s56ae26db2bb8123e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C506D7E1.19F3C%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<373089.11884.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0810010806y416e2254s56ae26db2bb8123e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E39A55.5090102@frontiernet.net>

I think everyone is talking politics these days, but if you want the 
real mudslinging, in your face, kick 'em where it hurts campaigning, you 
need to sign up for Just Ed's polysci list.

Kate
>
> BTW,  do any of you people have actual spridgets or did this list just
> become a forum for political science? I've been out of town and may have
> missed it.....   ;-)
>   
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  1 10:00:43 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:00:43 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
In-Reply-To: <48E39A55.5090102@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F350FB2445D1C5ED72175BCB8420@phx.gbl>

Really?  Is there a lot of talk there about the upcoming Canadian federal 
election?  ;)

RD

----Original Message Follows----
From: Kathryn Bales <kgb at frontiernet.net>

I think everyone is talking politics these days, but if you want the
real mudslinging, in your face, kick 'em where it hurts campaigning, you
need to sign up for Just Ed's polysci list.

Kate
 >
 > BTW,  do any of you people have actual spridgets or did this list just
 > become a forum for political science? I've been out of town and may have
 > missed it.....   ;-)

From spritenut at comcast.net  Wed Oct  1 10:34:30 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:34:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hard Top REAR mounts?
In-Reply-To: <1906279013.20081001054450@pacifier.com>
References: <67735200.20080928122011@pacifier.com>
	<205cef430810010333k5fc2fd4bg2111ba478ef9bda0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1906279013.20081001054450@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <48E3A696.7060702@comcast.net>

Bill

I'm not sure what MK I had when I had a hardtop but I used turnbuckles 
for the bolts.
Most hardware stores have them, they have a "J" hook on each end, one 
side is a left hand thread, twust the middle to tighten it up.
1/4 x 20 threads on the Js seemed to work fine.
Hook one on the top, the other in the bracket and you're all set.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct  1 10:35:53 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:35:53 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com><883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com>
	<ABB2362456C54279ABDDE28E01D616E5@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<F4253FE071164281AAF8692D7A7B0111@Larry>
	<EC694947CCED4CD98B4A626BC3DFFF89@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<8CFF784E6A6F489FAB10A212576842BC@Larry>
Message-ID: <D39D1B8AD5B74FE7BA550654546BA225@NilesAD.von.gov>

>> Mickey takes offense in you calling him a "parts car".  ;- )
>
> Last I knew, he was back to being a pile of parts...
>
> ==================
>
> Many piles.

I still wish I knew which pile wound up with my brand new clutch kit with a 
mere 4000 highway miles on it as well as my nice new roller throwout 
bearing!!!
David Lieb 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 10:50:55 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
References: <C506D7E1.19F3C%billyzoom@billyzoom.com><373089.11884.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43840a7e0810010806y416e2254s56ae26db2bb8123e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E5D356BE0384A13A97D386BF6DBF1D5@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
To: <soavero at yahoo.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] economics of toys


On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I dunno...Clinton went to school in England,
>

<snip>

Yup.  He was at Oxford.  I had a physics class at Christ Church College,
Oxford at the same time hee was there while I was stationed there in the Air
Force. I fondly remember "His Nibs" whipping up the European radicals and
leading a bunch of them down to High Wycombe USAF base so that I could stand
guard duty all night long while these kind and gentle souls called us "baby
killers" and threw $hit on us.  Loved it.  That outstanding future president
actually led foreign radicals in a protest against military people of his
own country on foreign soil. Now THATs patriotic loyalty for you!!

BTW,  do any of you people have actual spridgets or did this list just
become a forum for political science? I've been out of town and may have
missed it.....   ;-)
-- 
Cheers!!
Jim
_______________________________________________

Must not be too offensive to you... I see you got your 2 pence in before 
complaining about it.  ;-)))

ED 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 11:25:52 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:25:52 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEJIDPAA.shop@justbrits.com><883F5EC9-5630-47F1-B829-E1EB6B248767@phillymgclub.com><ABB2362456C54279ABDDE28E01D616E5@NilesAD.von.gov><F4253FE071164281AAF8692D7A7B0111@Larry><EC694947CCED4CD98B4A626BC3DFFF89@NilesAD.von.gov><8CFF784E6A6F489FAB10A212576842BC@Larry>
	<D39D1B8AD5B74FE7BA550654546BA225@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <650705255EB14FB3B765F1572216F184@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>
To: "Spridget List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip


>> Mickey takes offense in you calling him a "parts car".  ;- )
>
> Last I knew, he was back to being a pile of parts...
>
> ==================
>
> Many piles.

I still wish I knew which pile wound up with my brand new clutch kit with a
mere 4000 highway miles on it as well as my nice new roller throwout
bearing!!!
David Lieb
_______________________________________________

Since I wasn't there to keep an eye on the car, a lot of it mysteriously 
disappeared. 

From millerls at ado13.com  Wed Oct  1 12:55:11 2008
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:55:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] News Letter Software
References: <038701c92293$6afc5b30$4e947e4c@HP>
	<8de85a9c0810010747s7cd129bfo4ed65d6143e664b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05c401c923f7$3be00080$4e947e4c@HP>

Thanks to all who responded. We have decided to go with MS Word and output for
the web in PDF format. Anyone that would be willing to be the newsletter
editor probably has Word and most people already have the free PDF reader.
Word provides for just about any form from plain text to as complex as you
want to get.

Larry & Sandi

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jethro (J Foster)
  To: Larry & Sandi Miller
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] News Letter Software


  As Larry Macy suggested I would recommend using MS Word (or MS Publisher)
and utilize insert section breaks (insert | break | section type .. continous)
where appropriate to change from using 2 or more columns to sections using the
full age width.  MS Word can create some very polished, professional looking
documents.

  Then you can simply "print" it to a PDF Writer (a virtual printer that
creates aPDF file instead of paper output).  CutePDF is a good FREE (even for
business use!) PDF writer that we used company wide at the last place I did
corporate PC support.

  A benefit of the PDF route is that the newsletter will always look the way
you intended irregardless of what software the end user may be using - unlike
web pages which, despite attempts at "standards", often display differently
from one machine to the next depending on what opearting syste and internet
browser is in use!  PDF files are often also much smaller which is helpful for
archiving old issues and especially enjoyed by those people still using
dial-up internet connections!

  For the benefit of those users who may not already have a PDF file reader
installed (seems almost everyone by now has Adobe Reader installed though!)
you should also provide a link to one of the free PDF readers.  I personally
have the full Adobe Acrobat software installed (side effect of my job creating
user documentation) but I use the _free_ FoxIT PDF Reader for simply viewing
PDF files as it it the fastest reader I've found.

  Links to software I mentioned:
  http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp
  http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
  http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader_2/down_reader.htm




  On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Larry & Sandi Miller <millerls at ado13.com>
wrote:

    OK, I know someone on this list will tell me what to do, not were to go
but
    what to do.

    Sandi and I have been doing our club news letter off and on for the past
10
    years. We have transitioned from postal delivery to web based letters. We
    use FrontPage because we both used it when we worked for a living and are
    familiar with it's basic's.

    We would like to pass the news letter to someone else who may not be
fully
    versed in building a web page. Not a web site, just a web page.

    We are looking for PC software that just about anybody can use to
construct
    a news letter and post it on the web.

    An example of our simple news letter can be viewed at:
    http://ado13.com/pbscc/august_gasline.htm

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct  1 13:29:37 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] No clutch
Message-ID: <893B6918DD86416388905A5DE33184E6@Home>

New plate and bearing.  Slave bleed.  Hydraulics *seem* to be OK, but the slave piston travel is only 1/4".  How much travel should the clutch need?  Is this a leaky MC?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From Jpaschke at bak.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 13:37:58 2008
From: Jpaschke at bak.rr.com (Jon Paschke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] car fix it #1
Message-ID: <BCA82B8B9C6D432685A337FFC6B6B3A2@Music>

If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem. 

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 14:41:02 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:41:02 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Parts
In-Reply-To: <9818D328-09A9-4F8C-82AA-53A908934E11@roadrunner.com>
References: <5FF6FD1E-87F6-441D-B146-78FAB122AF88@roadrunner.com>
	<9818D328-09A9-4F8C-82AA-53A908934E11@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W32365718A37626B2C663EDC2420@phx.gbl>

Nory,

it was nice to finally meet you and your friend Saturday.
how was the rest of your trip home with Fr. Jacks
former car??

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> From: nory1 at roadrunner.com
>
>
> Sounds like stuff the Holy Sprite could use...
>
> >
>

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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 14:45:21 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:45:21 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
Message-ID: <cbb.24f7244f.36153b61@aol.com>

Yes, a W e s l a k e 1330.
 
In a message dated 01/10/2008 16:33:00 GMT Daylight Time,  bmwwxman at gmail.com 
writes:

do any  of you people have actual spridgets 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 14:46:34 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:46:34 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] economics of toys
Message-ID: <c60.2c7f71c0.36153baa@aol.com>

I thought it was the Conservative party conference in Birmingham - it would  
explain all the coppers at the train station.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 01/10/2008 17:27:41 GMT Daylight Time,  
robertduquette at sympatico.ca writes:

Really?  Is there a lot of talk there about the upcoming Canadian  federal 
election?  ;)

RD

----Original Message  Follows----
From: Kathryn Bales <kgb at frontiernet.net>

I think  everyone is talking politics these days, 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 14:48:11 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:48:11 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
Message-ID: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com>

My new clutch roller release bearing ate my new clutch cover in 600  miles.  
I now have a co-ax clutch release bearing and expecting a longer  life for the 
cover.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 01/10/2008 17:57:00 GMT Daylight Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

I still  wish I knew which pile wound up with my brand new clutch kit with a 
mere  4000 highway miles on it as well as my nice new roller throwout  
bearing!!!
David Lieb 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 14:53:02 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:53:02 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] No clutch
Message-ID: <ca6.35e810f3.36153d2e@aol.com>

This is very interesting.  What I found is that the pivot point on the  'new' 
bearings is set further back than the original design of bearing.   So, you 
need a longer clutch slave push rod to bring the new bearing up to a  
reasonable starting point for that quarter inch of travel to work.
 
There's a debate to be had here about whether or not the bearing really has  
a starting point and if in fact the first application of the pedal brings it 
up  to working height and subsequent applications give it full travel.
 
My input to this debate is that a longer slave rod is cheap and quick to  try 
first.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 01/10/2008 20:44:04 GMT Daylight Time,  
mdrowe at optonline.net writes:

New  plate and bearing.  Slave bleed.  Hydraulics *seem* to be OK, but  the 
slave piston travel is only 1/4".  How much travel should the clutch  need?  Is 
this a leaky MC?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long  Island, NY

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 15:17:47 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:17:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
Message-ID: <504039.32963.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Perhaps I should have been more specific in the subject line of the email I
sent out last night.  There are probably close to 50 new images posted on the
site at the link below from this past weekend at Frank's house.  Start at page
5 of the images to see the new ones.  They are more or less posted in reverse
order, with the Holy Sprite looking pretty good in the first ones and
progressively looking more ragged as the images roll by. 
 
In case you can't tell, there's one of Father Jack holding open his shirt to
reveal that the white collar peeping out from under during his sermon Sunday
morning was actually his Holy Sprite T-shirt.  What a guy!
 
Pics URL:  http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100141

 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island


--- On Wed, 10/1/08, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] OSHIT weekend
To: "Larry Macy" <lmacy at phillymgclub.com>
Cc: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:48 AM

OK all you image-starved Listers out there - I just managed to upload a bunch
of images from this weekend to the site Larry pointed me to yesterday.  They
don't seem to have posted in the order I uploaded them, but when I looked a
few minutes ago, they start on page 5.  They all have a prefix of
"HolySprite
body wkend".  I didn't take the time to name the images individually.
My
computer is also having some issues so there are a couple of shots in there
(like close-ups of some of the liquids used) that I didn't intend to
upload.
What the heck, It will give Larry something to do removing them.

I'm obviously not a pro and my camera is a bit shy of excellent, but I
think
you'll enjoy them.

 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:



Pics URL:  http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100141
You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com

http://www.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 15:46:56 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:46:56 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FF7B4E73CB764A2499AC70DF1132A942@GuyLaptop>

I have had a home-built Concentric slave set up on mine for nearly a year
now  - that's about 8,000 miles on it with no problems at all. Nice smooth
take up and absolutely no problems with bleeding it!

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+guy.weller=tiscali.co.uk at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+guy.weller=tiscali.co.uk at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: 01 October 2008 21:48
To: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip


My new clutch roller release bearing ate my new clutch cover in 600  miles.
I now have a co-ax clutch release bearing and expecting a longer  life for
the
cover.

W e s l a k e 1330

In a message dated 01/10/2008 17:57:00 GMT Daylight Time,
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

I still  wish I knew which pile wound up with my brand new clutch kit with a
mere  4000 highway miles on it as well as my nice new roller throwout
bearing!!!
David Lieb
You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk

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From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 16:22:56 2008
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster))
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] switch removal question
Message-ID: <8de85a9c0810011522h4bdb644ej6574cd19ae9103bb@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to remove the emergency flasher switch in my '73 Midget so I can
try to refurb the contacts.

How the ____ do I release the bezel to get the switch out of the console?

(I don't want it to end up broken like the bezel around the fan switch that
the DPO tried to replace)

From pythias at pacifier.com  Wed Oct  1 17:02:57 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:02:57 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hard Top REAR mounts?
In-Reply-To: <48E3A696.7060702@comcast.net>
References: <67735200.20080928122011@pacifier.com>
	<205cef430810010333k5fc2fd4bg2111ba478ef9bda0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1906279013.20081001054450@pacifier.com>
	<48E3A696.7060702@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <756404619.20081001160257@pacifier.com>

Hello Frank,

     Ah, but the problem is that the hooks on the deck have their open
     end toward the top! to what do you hook the "J"? .. i've been
     thinking ... to the cockpit?.. 

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
   "I presented my case to the judge," Tom said briefly. (*2)

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct  1 17:47:34 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:47:34 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget>

> My new clutch roller release bearing ate my new clutch cover in 600 
> miles.
> I now have a co-ax clutch release bearing and expecting a longer  life for 
> the
> cover.

I, on the other hand, have put tens of thousands of trouble-free miles on 
roller clutch release bearings on 1275 Midgets.
I wonder where the difference lies...
David Lieb 

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Wed Oct  1 18:30:47 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:30:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget>
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com>
	<6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget>
Message-ID: <48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net>

My first guess would be that someone starts his car in gear with the 
clutch engaged, and the other starts his in neutral.

Kate



>
> I, on the other hand, have put tens of thousands of trouble-free miles on 
> roller clutch release bearings on 1275 Midgets.
> I wonder where the difference lies...
> David Lieb 

From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 18:52:01 2008
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:52:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <20081002005201.LIBN12744.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL>

Oh yeah, the GM trick.  My first "modern car" growing up was a Buick Skyhawk
(Cavalier) the required you to push the clutch in to start.  I broke that
habit after that car fortunately.  If I recall, I think you even had to put
in reverse to lock the ignition.  Icky.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+cmanuel=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+cmanuel=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Kathryn Bales
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:31 PM
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip

My first guess would be that someone starts his car in gear with the 
clutch engaged, and the other starts his in neutral.

Kate

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct  1 20:12:52 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:12:52 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Lists down?
Message-ID: <173708FF-5B27-47FC-BD92-C3F34CF3C067@roadrunner.com>

Are the lists down?  Haven't seen anything from any of them in a few  
hours (including what I sent) -- kind of odd.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct  1 20:28:33 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:28:33 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <20081002005201.LIBN12744.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL>
Message-ID: <C5097FE1.1A055%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> required you to push the clutch in to start
As far as I know, ALL modern cars with manual transmissions force you to
push the clutch to the floor to make the starter circuit work. It's
something I would do normally anyway, but it faked me out a couple of times
when I first got my new Honda. It has to be ALL the way to the floor to
close the switch. 
BZ

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct  1 20:38:35 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:38:35 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Lists down?
Message-ID: <D47F1C113BD9422F8D02EEA798F45F05@spider>

This list is up.  ...bill in oregon
====================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Nory
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:13 PM
To: Ed's List; Spridgets List
Subject: [Spridgets] Lists down?

Are the lists down?  Haven't seen anything from any of them in a few  
hours (including what I sent) -- kind of odd.
_______________________________________________

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Wed Oct  1 20:55:13 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration
Message-ID: <02744CD50BD64A79ABEB07210D55E359@AndrewHP>

Anyone got a list of usual suspects for a 1500 stumbling under hard
acceleration?  I've checked the engine, and it's still there, beyond that,
I've not ruled much out.

 

Andrew

From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Wed Oct  1 21:10:09 2008
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] pics of the Morris truck
Message-ID: <200810020310.m923A9YX018592@berna.ucdavis.edu>

Here's a slide show of the Morris truck progress as of this afternoon.  I 
took today off to shoot the paint on the cab.  It came out great and only 
a few runs to sand later.  I'll set the cab shell on the frame tomorrow 
night.

http://tinyurl.com/4nsfe5


Glen

From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 21:46:29 2008
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster))
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:46:29 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net>
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com>
	<6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget>
	<48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <8de85a9c0810012046me5bf8cbqd6c0d501a37663eb@mail.gmail.com>

I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a reason
NOT to do that??

(Obviously I'm ignoring the newer cars where they force you to depress the
clutch to be able to start them)

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Kathryn Bales <kgb at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> My first guess would be that someone starts his car in gear with the
> clutch engaged, and the other starts his in neutral.
>
> Kate
>
>
>
> >
> > I, on the other hand, have put tens of thousands of trouble-free miles on
> > roller clutch release bearings on 1275 Midgets.
> > I wonder where the difference lies...
> > David Lieb
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From tinydog at snet.net  Wed Oct  1 22:11:40 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:11:40 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] pics of the Morris truck
In-Reply-To: <200810020310.m923A9YX018592@berna.ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <100220080411.24978.48E449FC0001EEDB0000619222218801869B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog sez:

Gorgeous color. Makes me want to have puppies.
 -------------- Original message from "Glen Byrns" <grbyrns at ucdavis.edu>: --------------


> Here's a slide show of the Morris truck progress as of this afternoon.  I 
> took today off to shoot the paint on the cab.  It came out great and only 
> a few runs to sand later.  I'll set the cab shell on the frame tomorrow 
> night.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/4nsfe5

From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct  2 05:10:57 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:10:57 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0810012046me5bf8cbqd6c0d501a37663eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c9247f$8bca3060$6501a8c0@DOSBOURNE.hky.com>

For cars with carbon ring throw out bearings (<'75 Spridgets), the
factory driver's handbook tells you quite clearly that the transmission
is to be in neutral, with the clutch engaged (foot off the pedal, in
other words), to start the engine.  This will put less load on the
starter, allowing it to spin the engine noticeably faster.
An added benefit is that the thrust bearing does not have to endure that
pressure (from the force of the pressure plate pushing against it) when
there is no oil pressure to support it.  
Bud Osbourne

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+abcoz=hky.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+abcoz=hky.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Jethro (J Foster)
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:46 PM
To: Kathryn Bales
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip

I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a
reason
NOT to do that??

(Obviously I'm ignoring the newer cars where they force you to depress
the
clutch to be able to start them)

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Kathryn Bales <kgb at frontiernet.net>
wrote:

> My first guess would be that someone starts his car in gear with the
> clutch engaged, and the other starts his in neutral.
>
> Kate

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:03:13 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:03:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 65 "Bugeye" in Toms River
Message-ID: <BLU111-W27E71283BCEF0BD0C8FC83C23D0@phx.gbl>

hey frank,

Ever seen this car?? Just curious since it's you neighborhood.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Austin-Healey-Sprite-Bugeye-1965-Austin-Healey
-Sprite_W0QQitemZ110293691494QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110293691494&_trkparms=7
2%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
 or tiny
http://tinyurl.com/4prfwz



Brian S.
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From bighealey at charter.net  Thu Oct  2 06:26:28 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:26:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration
In-Reply-To: <02744CD50BD64A79ABEB07210D55E359@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <FC85AA546B29440DA9D07B82606769B2@TRACY>

I place my bet on general tuning and fuel spark delivery.

Vacuum leak or advance problems?

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Andrew Payne
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:55 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration

Anyone got a list of usual suspects for a 1500 stumbling under hard
acceleration?  I've checked the engine, and it's still there, beyond that,
I've not ruled much out.



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From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU  Thu Oct  2 06:39:11 2008
From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:39:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
Message-ID: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>

   Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came out
   of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car is in
   Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
   http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
   John
   Fogelsville, PA

From ggroiss at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 06:42:43 2008
From: ggroiss at gmail.com (Gregory Groiss)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:42:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration
In-Reply-To: <02744CD50BD64A79ABEB07210D55E359@AndrewHP>
References: <02744CD50BD64A79ABEB07210D55E359@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <d66433d0810020542j7c5f068awb1fcfcb6b3a177a0@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew,

Don't know much about the 1500 but when that happened on my 1275 it
was a fouled plug.

Greg

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Andrew Payne <andrewpayne at intrex.net> wrote:
> Anyone got a list of usual suspects for a 1500 stumbling under hard
> acceleration?  I've checked the engine, and it's still there, beyond that,
> I've not ruled much out.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 07:11:15 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:11:15 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
References: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810020611u38cffadcnb410fce23012f365@mail.gmail.com>

The flares look nice, but I would be very wary of this auction.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:39 AM, John Caffrey <jdc6 at lehigh.edu> wrote:

>   Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came out
>   of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car is in
>   Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
>   http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
>   John
>   Fogelsville, PA
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  2 07:12:42 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F34566C56372B2F2FBA5D3EB83D0@phx.gbl>

Well ... you could ask the seller .. :)

I guess the 'down suspension' means lowered?

----Original Message Follows----
From: John Caffrey <jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU>

    Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came out
    of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car is in
    Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
    http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
    John
    Fogelsville, PA

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct  2 07:15:14 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:15:14 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 65 "Bugeye" in Toms River
In-Reply-To: <BLU111-W27E71283BCEF0BD0C8FC83C23D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU111-W27E71283BCEF0BD0C8FC83C23D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48E4C962.2000401@comcast.net>

brian S wrote:
> hey frank,
>
> Ever seen this car?? Just curious since it's you neighborhood.
>
>   
It was mine back in the early 80s.
Somebody gave it a metal flake, not metalic, crappy paint job.
It now sports a whooped 948, it is rusted severely and has been sitting.
It was a nice car in 83, I welded those nuts on the fenders to hold up 
the bonnet.
It is a 65 MKIII with a bugeye bonnet.
I saw it for sale in the paper 2 years ago for $1200 and went to look, 
run away from this car!
It's a $200 parts car at best.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From nases at verizon.net  Thu Oct  2 07:13:41 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:13:41 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] pics of the Morris truck
In-Reply-To: <200810020310.m923A9YX018592@berna.ucdavis.edu>
References: <200810020310.m923A9YX018592@berna.ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <EAACCB50-AD53-4018-A84D-C0A67D4F233A@verizon.net>

Looks good Glen.  Is that the Holy Sprite in the background?

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/



On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Glen Byrns wrote:

> Here's a slide show of the Morris truck progress as of this  
> afternoon.  I
> took today off to shoot the paint on the cab.  It came out great and  
> only
> a few runs to sand later.  I'll set the cab shell on the frame  
> tomorrow
> night.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4nsfe5
>
>
> Glen

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct  2 07:33:24 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com><6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget><48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net>
	<8de85a9c0810012046me5bf8cbqd6c0d501a37663eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>

>I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a reason
> NOT to do that??

Yes. Several reasons, in fact. When you push down the clutch pedal to 
dis-engage the clutch, ALL of the spring pressure of your pressure plate is 
pushing the crankshaft forwards. There is no oil circulating in the engine 
yet and the thrust bearing surfaces will wear more accordingly. This is 
especially critical in the 1500 engines because a little wear will allow the 
thrust bearings to fall into the sump (unless you wisely pinned them in 
place) and the reults CAN be that you lunch your engine beacuse of the newly 
acquired eitght-inch front-to-back motion available to the crankshaft.

Modern cars insist on having the clutch down for safety reasons. It is a 
good idea to have your foot pressing down on the brake, just in case. Yes, I 
know that you just wiggled the shifter to verify that it was in neutral, but 
it is a "belt AND suspenders" approach.

Likewise, if you are using the stock carbon-faced clutch release, you should 
ONLY touch the clutch pedal to launch the car or to shift gears. It is 
extrememly annoying to pull the engine for no other reason than to change 
the clutch release because the DPO sat at stoplights with his foot on the 
clutch.
David Lieb 

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct  2 07:36:46 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration
References: <02744CD50BD64A79ABEB07210D55E359@AndrewHP>
	<d66433d0810020542j7c5f068awb1fcfcb6b3a177a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DDA016425305489C834509393F9A8186@NilesAD.von.gov>

Anything in the high-tension circuit of the ignition could cause this. Bad 
cap, bad rotor, bad sparkplug wire, weak coil, bad condensor, etc (just in 
case I left something out of the list).
Could also be dashpot oil in the carb.
David Lieb
1972 1960 1974 1973


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Groiss" <ggroiss at gmail.com>
To: "Andrew Payne" <andrewpayne at intrex.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:42
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration


> Andrew,
>
> Don't know much about the 1500 but when that happened on my 1275 it
> was a fouled plug.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Andrew Payne <andrewpayne at intrex.net> 
> wrote:
>> Anyone got a list of usual suspects for a 1500 stumbling under hard
>> acceleration?  I've checked the engine, and it's still there, beyond 
>> that,
>> I've not ruled much out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
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From heard at datatrontech.net  Thu Oct  2 07:41:13 2008
From: heard at datatrontech.net (Heard)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:41:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810020611u38cffadcnb410fce23012f365@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
	<e98d88090810020611u38cffadcnb410fce23012f365@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <110601c92494$898b0940$1801010a@xp>

 Yep.  Not sure how to pronounce that city in Japan, but it really sounds
suspicious.

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+heard=datatrontech.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+heard=datatrontech.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Brad Fornal
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:11 AM
To: John Caffrey
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Fender Flares

The flares look nice, but I would be very wary of this auction.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:39 AM, John Caffrey <jdc6 at lehigh.edu> wrote:

>   Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came out
>   of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car is in
>   Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
>   http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
>   John
>   Fogelsville, PA

From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU  Thu Oct  2 07:54:53 2008
From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:54:53 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810020611u38cffadcnb410fce23012f365@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
	<e98d88090810020611u38cffadcnb410fce23012f365@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E4D2AD.1050108@lehigh.edu>

Brad Fornal wrote:
> The flares look nice, but I would be very wary of this auction.
>
Brad,
I had the same initial reaction to the auction. The way the description 
reads I figured communicating would be difficult, but I will ask the 
question about the flares availability.
John

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 08:04:18 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:04:18 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <110601c92494$898b0940$1801010a@xp>
References: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
	<e98d88090810020611u38cffadcnb410fce23012f365@mail.gmail.com>
	<110601c92494$898b0940$1801010a@xp>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810020704h248fa9f1w66ed2ab9cd7530cb@mail.gmail.com>

It's more of the 0 feedback, and an overseas auction that requires full
payment in 7 days.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Heard <heard at datatrontech.net> wrote:

>  Yep.  Not sure how to pronounce that city in Japan, but it really sounds
> suspicious.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces+heard=datatrontech.net at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces+heard <spridgets-bounces%2Bheard>=
> datatrontech.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Brad Fornal
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:11 AM
> To: John Caffrey
> Cc: Spridgets
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
>
> The flares look nice, but I would be very wary of this auction.
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:39 AM, John Caffrey <jdc6 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>
> >   Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came out
> >   of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car is in
> >   Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
> >   http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
> >   John
> >   Fogelsville, PA
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From dlancer7676 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  2 08:58:29 2008
From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:58:29 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration
Message-ID: <100220081458.9152.48E4E19500093951000023C02216527966C0C9C0C99D0A0C020E040B@comcast.net>

I tend to stumble upon acceleration these days.  Oh, wait!  You are talking about the car.  8^)

--David C.
She was only a whisky maker,
    but he loved her still.





 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Tracy Drummond" <bighealey at charter.net>
> I place my bet on general tuning and fuel spark delivery.
> 
> Vacuum leak or advance problems?
> 
> Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
> President AHCUSA              www.healey.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Payne
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:55 PM
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Stumbling acceleration
> 
> Anyone got a list of usual suspects for a 1500 stumbling under hard
> acceleration?  I've checked the engine, and it's still there, beyond that,
> I've not ruled much out.
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew
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From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU  Thu Oct  2 09:08:48 2008
From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <48E4D2AD.1050108@lehigh.edu>
References: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
	<e98d88090810020611u38cffadcnb410fce23012f365@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E4D2AD.1050108@lehigh.edu>
Message-ID: <48E4E400.105@lehigh.edu>

   I  received an answer about the flares from the seller. There are some
   clues  here, and I'll need to search Datsun SP311 aftermarket parts to
   go further.
   John
   Fogelsville, PA
   Hi John
   I am sorry I don't understand a manufacturer.
   It is the one to have processed a thing for Fairlady Z
   of Nissan. There was the processing in the company of
   my son.?The material is glassfiber reinforced plastic.
   I  think  that  it is possible to make if understanding the size which
   you seek.
   Kind regards,

   - tommyhiraki

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Oct  2 10:28:49 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:28:49 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEAGEAAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<It is extrememly annoying to pull the engine for no other reason than to
change the clutch release because the DPO sat at stoplights with his foot on
the clutch.>>

I LIKED it about 5 - 6 years ago David, when I got either 12 or 13 in the
one years<VBG>!!!!

Didn't mind it at all !!!

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct  2 09:47:05 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:47:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com><6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget><48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net><8de85a9c0810012046me5bf8cbqd6c0d501a37663eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <3AFFD56B94F940D28F50605063CB470E@AndrewHP>

Very interesting...
If one has done this, added to an unknown history is there an easy check for
wear?  I'm not sure what you mean by "lunch" my engine, but it does not
sound good.  Is this a rebuild prior to breakage issue?

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+andrewpayne=intrex.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+andrewpayne=intrex.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of David Lieb
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:33 AM
To: Jethro (J Foster); Spridget List
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip

>I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a reason
> NOT to do that??

Yes. Several reasons, in fact. When you push down the clutch pedal to 
dis-engage the clutch, ALL of the spring pressure of your pressure plate is 
pushing the crankshaft forwards. There is no oil circulating in the engine 
yet and the thrust bearing surfaces will wear more accordingly. This is 
especially critical in the 1500 engines because a little wear will allow the

thrust bearings to fall into the sump (unless you wisely pinned them in 
place) and the reults CAN be that you lunch your engine beacuse of the newly

acquired eitght-inch front-to-back motion available to the crankshaft.

Modern cars insist on having the clutch down for safety reasons. It is a 
good idea to have your foot pressing down on the brake, just in case. Yes, I

know that you just wiggled the shifter to verify that it was in neutral, but

it is a "belt AND suspenders" approach.

Likewise, if you are using the stock carbon-faced clutch release, you should

ONLY touch the clutch pedal to launch the car or to shift gears. It is 
extrememly annoying to pull the engine for no other reason than to change 
the clutch release because the DPO sat at stoplights with his foot on the 
clutch.
David Lieb 
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct  2 10:17:10 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:17:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com><6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget><48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net><8de85a9c0810012046me5bf8cbqd6c0d501a37663eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<3AFFD56B94F940D28F50605063CB470E@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <5734074A5B8A4436B4A996B5C103224F@NilesAD.von.gov>

> If one has done this, added to an unknown history is there an easy check 
> for
> wear?  I'm not sure what you mean by "lunch" my engine, but it does not
> sound good.  Is this a rebuild prior to breakage issue?


Andrew,
If you do not have a 1500, don't worry too much about it. The advanced 
design of the Triumph 1500 engine included a "feature" whereby the 
crankshaft thrust washers were two half-circles. A minimal amount of wear 
allowed them to fall into the sump. A-Series do not have this problem (they 
have others instead like siamesed intakes). If you want to check, you can 
have a friend push down the clutch pedal, then you use a crowbar to push the 
crankshaft back and measure the movement (eyeball or dial indicator or 
something in between). If you have a 1500 of unknown provenance, check it. 
If you rebuild a 1500, talk to your machinist about pinning the thrust 
washers in place so they cannot fall out.
David Lieb
1972 1960 1974 1973 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 10:33:22 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:33:22 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
Message-ID: <d14.3576ba02.361651d2@aol.com>

Whether new or old core used for the roller bearing I guess. - photos to  
follow
 
Regards
 
Daniel
 
In a message dated 02/10/2008 01:15:30 GMT Daylight Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

I, on  the other hand, have put tens of thousands of trouble-free miles on 
roller  clutch release bearings on 1275 Midgets.
I wonder where the difference  lies...
David Lieb  
_______________________________________________

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 10:37:13 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:37:13 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] pics of the Morris truck
Message-ID: <caa.370825e7.361652b9@aol.com>

Hi Glen,
 
You ought to write up some words and submit it to Minor Monthly  magazine.
 
Regards
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 02/10/2008 04:39:37 GMT Daylight Time,  
grbyrns at ucdavis.edu writes:

Here's a  slide show of the Morris truck progress as of this afternoon.  I 
took  today off to shoot the paint on the cab.  It came out great and only  
a few runs to sand later.  I'll set the cab shell on the frame  tomorrow  
night.

http://tinyurl.com/4nsfe5


Glen

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 10:39:20 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:39:20 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
Message-ID: <c75.3c7c7fa7.36165338@aol.com>

I think they uk spec Mini flares.
 
In a message dated 02/10/2008 14:02:41 GMT Daylight Time, jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU  
writes:

Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came  out
of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set.  The car is in
Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold  there?
http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
John
Fogelsville, PA

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 10:41:21 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:41:21 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
Message-ID: <ce7.3a197e47.361653b1@aol.com>

How else do you win the 'Traffic Lights Grand Prix'?
 
In a message dated 02/10/2008 14:49:45 GMT Daylight Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

because  the DPO sat at stoplights with his foot on the  
clutch.

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct  2 11:07:41 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:07:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEAGEAAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEAGEAAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <48E4FFDD.6060507@frontiernet.net>

Not from me!  I actually had a clutch last 100,000 miles.  I had it 
hammered into my head from the day I started driving to never start a 
Brit car in gear using the clutch.  It's paid off over the years.

Kate
>
> I LIKED it about 5 - 6 years ago David, when I got either 12 or 13 in the
> one years<VBG>!!!!
>
> Didn't mind it at all !!!
> _______________________________________________
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  2 12:22:55 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:22:55 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <ce7.3a197e47.361653b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F3789C78097ED61FD0BD1D4B83D0@phx.gbl>

Well, you wait and pay attention, and when the other light has turned 
yellow, you time it so that you're just shifting into gear as the light 
turns green.  You do want to make sure that you see that the crossing 
traffic is stopping.

----Original Message Follows----
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com

How else do you win the 'Traffic Lights Grand Prix'?

In a message dated 02/10/2008 14:49:45 GMT Daylight Time,
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

because  the DPO sat at stoplights with his foot on the
clutch.

From dwramsey at att.net  Thu Oct  2 12:56:32 2008
From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:56:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <001701c9247f$8bca3060$6501a8c0@DOSBOURNE.hky.com>
Message-ID: <20081002185640.44CD4187665@autox.team.net>

The only time a clutch gets worn is when your foot is on the pedal. To save
the clutch you don't leave it in gear when starting or when sitting at a
traffic light. However if you don't leave it in gear with the clutch
depressed when stopped, you will fail the Nevada drivers license test, go
figure.
		Crash


For cars with carbon ring throw out bearings (<'75 Spridgets), the
factory driver's handbook tells you quite clearly that the transmission
is to be in neutral, with the clutch engaged (foot off the pedal, in
other words), to start the engine.  This will put less load on the
starter, allowing it to spin the engine noticeably faster.
An added benefit is that the thrust bearing does not have to endure that
pressure (from the force of the pressure plate pushing against it) when
there is no oil pressure to support it.  
Bud Osbourne


I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a
reason
NOT to do that??

(Obviously I'm ignoring the newer cars where they force you to depress
the
clutch to be able to start them)



> My first guess would be that someone starts his car in gear with the
> clutch engaged, and the other starts his in neutral.
>
> Kate

From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU  Thu Oct  2 13:16:52 2008
From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:16:52 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <c75.3c7c7fa7.36165338@aol.com>
References: <c75.3c7c7fa7.36165338@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48E51E24.3040305@lehigh.edu>

   That's  interesting  Daniel,  they  do look similar. Someone may get a
   chance  to  try  them  for  fit  and report back. Wasted my lunch hour
   searching, but did learn that in Japan they call the Z cars Fairladys.
   Of  course  I was thinking of the import we called the 1600cc & 2000cc
   Fairlady Roadster.
   John
   Fogelsville, PA
   Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

   I think they uk spec Mini flares.

   In   a   message   dated   02/10/2008   14:02:41  GMT  Daylight  Time,
   jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU writes:

     Nicely   done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came
     out
        of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car
     is in
        Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
        http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
        John
        Fogelsville, PA

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 13:38:47 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:38:47 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
Message-ID: <d62.1ce50882.36167d47@aol.com>

If you've seen the green you've been?
 
In a message dated 02/10/2008 20:24:41 GMT Daylight Time,  
robertduquette at sympatico.ca writes:

Well,  you wait and pay attention, and when the other light has turned 
yellow,  you time it so that you're just shifting into gear as the light 
turns  green.  You do want to make sure that you see that the crossing  
traffic is stopping.

----Original Message Follows----
From:  Weslake1330 at aol.com

How else do you win the 'Traffic Lights Grand  Prix'?

In a message dated 02/10/2008 14:49:45 GMT Daylight  Time,
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

because  the DPO sat at  stoplights with his foot on the
clutch.

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct  2 14:42:20 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:42:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
References: <c75.3c7c7fa7.36165338@aol.com>
  <48E51E24.3040305@lehigh.edu>
Message-ID: <12A8E9CAC591478A9EA01B44B49902C1@NilesAD.von.gov>

>   ... Wasted my lunch hour
>   searching, but did learn that in Japan they call the Z cars Fairladys.
>   Of  course  I was thinking of the import we called the 1600cc & 2000cc
>   Fairlady Roadster.

As a matter of fact, John, Datsun/Nissan sportscars have ALL been named 
"Fairlady" in Japan, right up to the 350Z (or whatever the new one is). It 
seems that the head of Datsun/Nissan was given a tour of the American auto 
industry to impress him with our power and skill, etc. This was at the time 
that the musical "My Fair Lady" was playing on Broadway, so tat was a part 
of the wining and dining. He loved it so much that he named the new sports 
car being designed the "Fairlady".
David Lieb 

From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net  Thu Oct  2 18:07:56 2008
From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:07:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] fuel pump
Message-ID: <50276.72.64.0.243.1222992476.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>

List,
I have slightly leaky fuel pump (66 Sprite)that leaks during use, but not
when parked.  Is there a fix or is a new pump the best route?
Thanks
Dick B. in NH

From herby at herbytoys.com  Thu Oct  2 19:33:06 2008
From: herby at herbytoys.com (Herby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
Message-ID: <46B968A579DA4854AD3C5A063D58A229@HERBYZ>

http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/CTGY/7BSA02

If not the same, very similar.

Herby
63 MKII Sprite (Herbytoy - patiently waiting)
62 MKII Sprite (the "resto-mod" driver)
00 Dakota R/T (the new toy)
herby at herbytoys.com
www.herbytoys.com


   Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came out
   of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car is in
   Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
   http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63

   John
   Fogelsville, PA

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct  2 20:49:11 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:49:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
Message-ID: <C1A1F2D3-614C-4546-B09F-76AA8F15C159@roadrunner.com>

Just testing. Having trouble posting on the list.

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct  2 21:38:06 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:38:06 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <C1A1F2D3-614C-4546-B09F-76AA8F15C159@roadrunner.com>
References: <C1A1F2D3-614C-4546-B09F-76AA8F15C159@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <F789E2D7-7A6B-4CB3-AD54-10D24ECA5411@roadrunner.com>

Now why would it take 45 minutes for my message to hit the list?  IF  
it actually hits the list?  It used to be almost instant, but half  
the time, my messages don't even show up at all.  Is anybody else  
having trouble posting, or is it just me?


On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Nory wrote:

> Just testing. Having trouble posting on the list.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 04:36:47 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] pics of the Morris truck
In-Reply-To: <200810020310.m923A9YX018592@berna.ucdavis.edu>
References: <200810020310.m923A9YX018592@berna.ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <205cef430810030336w62d0b48bh3f2951167a9cbc6c@mail.gmail.com>

Glen,
Nice job I never knew the cab cam off the frame. I always like these little
pups.
Thanks Lin

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Glen Byrns <grbyrns at ucdavis.edu> wrote:

> Here's a slide show of the Morris truck progress as of this afternoon.  I
> took today off to shoot the paint on the cab.  It came out great and only
> a few runs to sand later.  I'll set the cab shell on the frame tomorrow
> night.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4nsfe5
>
>
> Glen
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com
>
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>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  3 04:55:10 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <F789E2D7-7A6B-4CB3-AD54-10D24ECA5411@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <80779.17171.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nory,
I posted a couple of messages earlier this week that took really long times to
appear, which were followed up by an almost instantaneous posting or two.  I
had been guessing that it was a function of my PC, which is being a bit on the
cantankerous side at the moment.  Maybe the system has its moments too.
 - David
Spridgeteer and part-time Holy Sprite Taxi service provider


--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Nory <nory1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Nory <nory1 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Test
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:38 PM

Now why would it take 45 minutes for my message to hit the list?  IF
it actually hits the list?  It used to be almost instant, but half
the time, my messages don't even show up at all.  Is anybody else
having trouble posting, or is it just me?


On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Nory wrote:

> Just testing. Having trouble posting on the list.
You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com

http://www.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct  3 05:17:21 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <80779.17171.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <80779.17171.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8631A2A-4F56-41F4-A1AA-7027F8FA7D35@roadrunner.com>

I have one message I posted SIX times over the last couple days, and  
it hasn't shown up yet.  Some of my "test" messages are getting  
through, but not the one I sent six times.  I'm afraid all six of  
them will eventually show up and the list will be miffed with me for  
re-posting the same thing so many times.  I'm beginning to think the  
good Lord does not want my message to get to the Spridgets list   ):


On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:55 AM, David Booker wrote:

> Nory,
> I posted a couple of messages earlier this week that took really  
> long times to appear, which were followed up by an almost  
> instantaneous posting or two.  I had been guessing that it was a  
> function of my PC, which is being a bit on the cantankerous side at  
> the moment.  Maybe the system has its moments too.
>  - David
> Spridgeteer and part-time Holy Sprite Taxi service provider

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct  3 06:10:26 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <B8631A2A-4F56-41F4-A1AA-7027F8FA7D35@roadrunner.com>
References: <80779.17171.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B8631A2A-4F56-41F4-A1AA-7027F8FA7D35@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <E222EE0FCB964A7BB78EA28732B55477@spider>

Whenever I get slow response(s) I reboot my computer. My operating system is
XP and it has so many Microsoft patches that it is about one-tenth the speed
it should be. ...bill in Oregon

========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Nory
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:17 AM
To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
Cc: Spridgets List
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Test

I have one message I posted SIX times over the last couple days, and  
it hasn't shown up yet.  Some of my "test" messages are getting  
through, but not the one I sent six times.  I'm afraid all six of  
them will eventually show up and the list will be miffed with me for  
re-posting the same thing so many times.  I'm beginning to think the  
good Lord does not want my message to get to the Spridgets list   ):

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  3 06:34:00 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:34:00 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
In-Reply-To: <504039.32963.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <504039.32963.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W12E3B787A97421A91F6856C23C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for posting the pics Dave.
Strange thing, when I view the site, they show up on pages 3 tp 4, but as you
said in reverse order.
I really like pic 285!!
Tho, I notice that Phil isn't prayin! <VBG>

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:17:47 -0700
> From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
>
> Perhaps I should have been more specific in the subject line of the email I
> sent out last night.  There are probably close to 50 new images posted on
the
> site at the link below from this past weekend at Frank's house.  Start at
page
> 5 of the images to see the new ones.  They are more or less posted in
reverse
> order, with the Holy Sprite looking pretty good in the first ones and
> progressively looking more ragged as the images roll by.
>
> In case you can't tell, there's one of Father Jack holding open his shirt
to
> reveal that the white collar peeping out from under during his sermon
Sunday
> morning was actually his Holy Sprite T-shirt.  What a guy!
>
> Pics URL:  http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100141
>
>  - David Booker
> '71 Midget
> Long Island
>


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From pythias at pacifier.com  Fri Oct  3 06:49:24 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:49:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <F789E2D7-7A6B-4CB3-AD54-10D24ECA5411@roadrunner.com>
References: <C1A1F2D3-614C-4546-B09F-76AA8F15C159@roadrunner.com>
	<F789E2D7-7A6B-4CB3-AD54-10D24ECA5411@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <30707113.20081003054924@pacifier.com>

Hello Nory,

     unless you get a "bounce" message, the message is still on its
     way, providing that it did leave your computer. how quickly a
     message gets delivered depends upon many things including how
     busy the net itself is when you send, the server it goes to and
     other nebulous things built into the net itself...it is probably
     NOT your computer's fault providing that you haven't been messing
     with the settings... sometimes a quick test to see if you ARE
     connected is to run another piece of software.. i've had times
     that the World Wide Web was down, but the Internet itself was
     still working just fine. remember that they are NOT the same
     things at all. 

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
      * "We have no bananas," Tom said fruitlessly. (*2)

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  3 06:49:38 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:49:38 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <F789E2D7-7A6B-4CB3-AD54-10D24ECA5411@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F34BDACAC6C49F05FBC5105B83C0@phx.gbl>

I've had a couple in the last few weeks that disappeared.  They were ones 
that I authoured, not ones that I was replying to.

----Original Message Follows----
From: Nory <nory1 at roadrunner.com>

Now why would it take 45 minutes for my message to hit the list?  IF
it actually hits the list?  It used to be almost instant, but half
the time, my messages don't even show up at all.  Is anybody else
having trouble posting, or is it just me?


On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Nory wrote:

 > Just testing. Having trouble posting on the list.

From cbaustin at verizon.net  Fri Oct  3 07:04:16 2008
From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:04:16 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
References: <BAY112-F34BDACAC6C49F05FBC5105B83C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8ADEB53B2BF54DDEAA4A23C0A8D7DDA6@universal1>

    I'm afraid it's that really, really large hadrian super-colloidial
thing-a-ma-jig that's gone berserk!

    If you don't get this message, let me know right away.

                                                    CB
                                        hiding behind a pile of camo-neutrons
inter-woven with fuzzy logic

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct  3 07:10:25 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:10:25 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets]  Test
Message-ID: <E99FED451E0D4019BD039B9B2BFAC637@spider>

Castrol scented incense can cause this. ...bill

=================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Charley Braum
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 6:04 AM
To: Robert Duquette
Cc: Spridgets List
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Test

    I'm afraid it's that really, really large hadrian super-colloidial
thing-a-ma-jig that's gone berserk!

    If you don't get this message, let me know right away.

CB
hiding behind a pile of camo-neutrons
inter-woven with fuzzy logic
_______________________________________________

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  3 07:13:42 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:13:42 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <8ADEB53B2BF54DDEAA4A23C0A8D7DDA6@universal1>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F36698B3697F3D36F3B7B88B83C0@phx.gbl>

I don't get it ... ;)

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Charley Braum" <cbaustin at verizon.net>

     I'm afraid it's that really, really large hadrian super-colloidial 
thing-a-ma-jig that's gone berserk!

     If you don't get this message, let me know right away.

                                                     CB
                                         hiding behind a pile of 
camo-neutrons inter-woven with fuzzy logic

From nases at verizon.net  Fri Oct  3 09:28:01 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:28:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
In-Reply-To: <BLU111-W12E3B787A97421A91F6856C23C0@phx.gbl>
References: <504039.32963.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BLU111-W12E3B787A97421A91F6856C23C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <150F0A1A-C6EE-4054-91A8-E063C838F5C3@verizon.net>

I'm way beyond that kind of help;)  What's the use?

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/



On Oct 3, 2008, at 8:34 AM, brian S wrote:

> Thanks for posting the pics Dave.
> Strange thing, when I view the site, they show up on pages 3 tp 4,  
> but as you
> said in reverse order.
> I really like pic 285!!
> Tho, I notice that Phil isn't prayin! <VBG>
>
> Brian S.
> Bugeyeracer under resto

From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Fri Oct  3 10:11:56 2008
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Back on list
Message-ID: <001601c92572$c24aef00$46e0cd00$@net>

Wheeehhhh!!! FINALLY got internet;0  Got through storm with no house damage,
BUT I did have the top of neighbors big oak tree land on my son in laws
boat, wifes car, my truck, and front of Iriss enclosed car trailer.
Trailer covered, wifes car covered, truck liability only, boat is son in
laws problem.  Lots of tree damage but otherwise everything is fine.  If
anyone e-mailed me off list please re-mail.    Hopefully I might be able to
make up some of the trucks cost with the proceeds from two fish me and a
partner caught after the storm.  Anyone on list have a contact for a dealer
who buys mining equipment tires??  Have two brand new 36 x 80 x80 OTR heavy
equipment tires mounted on Caterpillar rims.  They floated up in the bay and
were claimed by my partner and me under maritime salvage rights after we
towed them to the bank and loaded them on a 40 float.  They weigh around
5000 lbs ea!!!!.  Still strapped to the shipping palletsJ  Hmmmmm.. do you
think they could be adapted to a bugeye??LOL



Leo


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From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 12:15:26 2008
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:15:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TB Bearings
Message-ID: <37dc82d40810031115s3de0c2a0rf8e5a2063625c1a@mail.gmail.com>

What is the life span of the carbon bearing, given that one is careful to
keep the foot off the clutch when starting, etc.  I also stay in neutral at
stop lights and I keep my foot away from the clutch pedal when driving.  I
do all that I can to not use the bearing, unless I am actually shifting.

Kirk
Vacaville Ca
1275 Bugeye with the following from a cut and paste from when I was toying
with the idea of selling it - but decided I cannot live without it:

1275 engine upgrade running with oil at regular changes using ADDP for
longer lifter life (about 4k miles on engine since complete quality rebuild)
I have always added a lead additive to the fuel
New gas tank
Neg ground
New oil filter set up for screw on filter
New gear redux starter from Pearson Manifolds
New Toyota alternator
Ford solenoid
Mallory Dual Point Dist with Pertronix electronic upgrade
Hot Pertronix coil to match system
Very efficient Geo Metro radiator with electric fan and fan turn on
adjustment
(car now runs at 160  170 during hot summer stop lights)
Upgraded to '74 rib case gear box
Shortened shifter for tighter shifts
Headers
Monza exhaust
OER side draft jets interchangeable with Weber but better carb  700 dollar
upgrade
(looks like a Weber but has float bowl adjustment and accel pump adjustment)
Conversion to front disks from latter model
Rebuilt > master cyl (a rare find)
New clutch and TB bearing (only 400 miles on unit)
(minor clutch chatter in first when car is hot, but no big deal to me)
old style breathable valve cover for better and only engine venting
front sway bars (car handles like it is on rails)
lowered racing springs by 1 < inches
leaks brake fluid, not sure from where (I just put up with it at this time)
small rectangle cut underneath for easy engine and gear box changes
front wheels are aligned properly
Older AM FM radio in dash with high powered CD player and stereo hidden
under passenger side dash
Ignition key no longer works  car starts by turning on with hidden switch
under dash and then pull start on dash.  Pull works off an electrical
switch.
Extra gauge below dash for alternator
Original steering wheel with horn button included although I use a smaller
wheel

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct  3 12:31:50 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:31:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] TB Bearings
In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40810031115s3de0c2a0rf8e5a2063625c1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37dc82d40810031115s3de0c2a0rf8e5a2063625c1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E66516.6010005@frontiernet.net>

I have never gotten less than 50,000 out of a throw out bearing, most 
will go 100,000 with no problem.  I drive hard and almost always double 
clutch, just from force of habit.

Kate
'72 MG Midget

From stevenm at optonline.net  Fri Oct  3 16:07:46 2008
From: stevenm at optonline.net (Steven Michelsen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:07:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
Message-ID: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway, does anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?  I am looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.

thanks,
Steve

From derf247 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 16:12:26 2008
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:12:26 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910810031512w509df945t8ec2f18a9d7ccb10@mail.gmail.com>

Gas will generally work when the power is out.  If you have frequent
power outages you may want to consider gas.

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct  3 16:16:30 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:16:30 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
Message-ID: <74919A4E65DF455880F40786CA818A6F@spider>

Electricity is expensive unless you're using a heat pump. Surf the internet
to look at total cost over a period of years, initial cost plus fuel costs.

Thought about propane, like the heaters you see during the winter football
games on the field? No matter what heat source you use, you have to be
careful with any gasoline and solvent fumes. ...bill

======================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Steven Michelsen
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:08 PM
To: Midget Group at team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a
wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an
insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the
Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than
natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway, does
anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?  I am
looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.

thanks,
Steve
_______________________________________________

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct  3 16:19:11 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:19:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <74919A4E65DF455880F40786CA818A6F@spider>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
	<74919A4E65DF455880F40786CA818A6F@spider>
Message-ID: <37A0BE80E0464D2DB1FF81B8D37B659B@spider>

Also, consider renting a heater to give each type a try. ...bill

======================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Steven Michelsen
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:08 PM
To: Midget Group at team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a
wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an
insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the
Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than
natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway, does
anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?  I am
looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.

thanks,
Steve
_______________________________________________

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct  3 16:32:00 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:32:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <37A0BE80E0464D2DB1FF81B8D37B659B@spider>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
	<74919A4E65DF455880F40786CA818A6F@spider>
	<37A0BE80E0464D2DB1FF81B8D37B659B@spider>
Message-ID: <48E69D60.2080501@frontiernet.net>

I use one of those oil filled electric ones in my dog room.  Even with 
the super large dog door, it keeps the room at a comfortable (for the 
dogs) 50 degrees on the lowest setting at less than $10 a month.

Kate
>
> I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I

From spritenut at comcast.net  Fri Oct  3 16:48:24 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:48:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
Message-ID: <48E6A138.7050605@comcast.net>

Steven Michelsen wrote:
> I am pondering heating my garage 
Steve

I use gas because I got the furnace off the job for nothing.
I do not keep it heated 24/7, just when I am out there working which is 
23.5/6.9  ;)
Seriously, I turn it up to 55 or 60 to take the chill out when it's 20 
or 30 outside.
I can not comment on how much the gas bill is because I have been doing 
this for years and each year is about the same.
Total house and garage gas bill isn't too bad, $250 a month during Jan & 
Feb. last year.
But do watch spray paints and other flammable garage chemicals.
ALWAYS have a fire extinguisher or 2 handy if you have a heater in the 
garage.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From tinydog at snet.net  Fri Oct  3 16:56:15 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:56:15 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
Message-ID: <100320082256.4918.48E6A30E000EF7B00000133622193100029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog sez:

Vented Gas heater using an outside air source for combustion. If inexperienced, have it installed by a professional.

 -------------- Original message from Steven Michelsen <stevenm at optonline.net>: --------------

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming). 

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Fri Oct  3 18:20:02 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <100320082256.4918.48E6A30E000EF7B00000133622193100029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
	<100320082256.4918.48E6A30E000EF7B00000133622193100029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
Message-ID: <DAD0627944EC49F38C784B63C1229D2F@AndrewHP>

I am a fan of a nice woodstove - I know it wasn't an option - for days when
there are no combustibles, with a cheap, portable, radiant quartz heater.
The nice thing about these is you set them several feet from what you are
working on, and after 5-10 minutes the parts you are working on are toasty.


This is not great for marathon work, but for a few hours after work it is
great.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+andrewpayne=intrex.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+andrewpayne=intrex.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tinydog at snet.net
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 6:56 PM
To: Midget Group at team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?

tinydog sez:

Vented Gas heater using an outside air source for combustion. If
inexperienced, have it installed by a professional.

 -------------- Original message from Steven Michelsen
<stevenm at optonline.net>: --------------

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming). 
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From thcollin at mtu.edu  Fri Oct  3 19:03:51 2008
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
Message-ID: <78mg19$4vtb73@email.mtu.edu>

Steve,
I have Northern Tool's Ouellet Heavy Duty Steel Electric 
Garage/Workshop Heater, Model# OCH4000WB and use it in my insulated 
garage (2 car - garage door is NOT insulated). I only heat when I use 
the garage so it takes awhile to warm all those cold cars, walls, 
tools, etc. up to a comfortable temp. I usually only try to get the 
temp to around 50 degrees. I often supplement with a 110 volt, 1500 
watt heater. I expected more from the unit. I guess 4000 watts 
(13,648 BTU's) is kinda marginal the way I use it. I am in Mid 
Michigan so we know cold here. I went electric specifically to avoid 
open flames. I also did not want a ventless gas because of the water 
vapor they put in the air along with other products of combustion. 
Buy as many watts as you can afford and supply power to as you will 
need a 240 outlet of the correct amperage.

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/  

From hgmiller3 at qwest.net  Sat Oct  4 05:12:06 2008
From: hgmiller3 at qwest.net (Herb Miller)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
Message-ID: <007101c92612$096bb410$4200a8c0@HERBLAPTOP>

Steve:
Gas and electrical rates vary quite a bit through out the country so check
your utility bills. I live in Minnesota so as an example I will use my
rates.
Electricity---10.48 cents per kWh 
Gas-----------$1.32214 per therm   A therm is 100,000 btu ( your gas meter
measures cubic feet. One therm is about 100 cubic feet of gas, but the
energy content of natural gas varies. Your gas bill will show the conversion
factor. In my case it is 1.00789.)
1 kilowatt hour = 3 412.14163 btu
So one therm of electrical power would be 29.28 kWh
29.28 kWh would cost $ 3.07
$1.32214 gas vs $3.07 electricity
However; electric heaters are 100% effecent. All electric energy ends up as
heat, either from the fan or the heating elements. Gas heaters are about 80%
efficient. Most of the losses are up the flue.
There for gas use would be $1.652675 for equal heat in the garage vs $3.07
for electrical. 
On the practical side, I had a detached garage with my previous house with a
gas heater mounted near the ceiling on the back wall. I don't remember the
heat capacity, but it was about a 2.5 foot cube. Very pleased. Fast heat up
of the garage (I kept the garage at about 45 degrees when I not working), no
wasted floor space.
In a new installation plumbing is a major consideration.
Gas piping is probably more expensive than electrical wiring. Gas requires a
flue, which may or may not be easy to install.
It depends on your needs. To take the chill of in a moderate climate,
electric heater may be enough. But for larger requirements I think the
electric heater would be rather large. In Minnesota we take heating very
seriously.
Hope this helps.

Herb Miller   

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+hgmiller3=qwest.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+hgmiller3=qwest.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Steven Michelsen
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:08 PM
To: Midget Group at team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a
wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an
insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the
Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than
natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway, does
anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?  I am
looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.

thanks,
Steve
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From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 06:45:01 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:45:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye Parts, now Red Devil - Part 2
Message-ID: <0FB6F3BC-5D72-4EC4-ABA9-1B9664F58A35@roadrunner.com>

Part 2......

I realize all this sounds like I probably hate the car, but I don't.   
I'm just a tad miffed with her.  She's beautiful, but she has shown  
me who's boss.  Strangely enough, I love her already.  She got plenty  
of compliments on fuel and food stops, and ran wonderfully, when she  
wasn't going up hill.  The oil pressure was perfect, engine sounds  
great, and she was cool as a cucumber.  She got better mileage than  
the rented Suzuki we drove down there.  The steering is solid,  
suspension felt great, and even the flatbed driver commented on how  
solid and rust-free she is.  Said the steel was heavier than that on  
his girlfriend's new Toyota.

The car runs great around town, but I haven't put any high fuel  
demands on her, like on the highway, since we got home.  I took her  
in for NYS Inspection, and she didn't pass, but it's mostly little  
stuff that it needs:  a tie rod kit, and a new right rear wheel  
cylinder (it's leaking).  The rear axle seals need replacing, and the  
rotors have a little rust, so I'll replace them too. They're cheap  
enough.  I already have a new top that I bought for my '74 a while  
ago (I assume the same top fits the '69), and I'll slap a new fan  
belt on too.  I should be done with all that by the end of the  
weekend, and then I'll test her on the highway to see if I can solve  
that fuel delivery issue.  Then she'll be ready for trouble-free fall  
motoring.


So, that's how the trip was.  As I told Darlene --- "You'll be  
telling people about this for weeks, and you'll remember this weekend  
for the rest of your life."  Hey, a weekend near the Jersey shore,  
AND in the Poconos!  The scenery was nice--- or, at least, what we  
could see of it through the rain and fog.  All in all, it was a great  
adventure, and it could have been a LOT worse.  We're laughing about  
it now.

It was great meeting you guys, putting faces to names I've known over  
the years, and being in the presence of the esteemed Holy Sprite.   
Darlene is now calling the Midget the "Holy Shit" --- I hope the name  
doesn't stick, because it really is a nice car.  I'm leaning towards  
naming her the "Red Devil" myself   (:

-Nory

(hope all this makes the list this time!)

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 06:49:23 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:49:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye Parts, now Red Devil
Message-ID: <EBF8C606-C331-4984-8E46-082B99786590@roadrunner.com>

Part 1B...........

Sunday morning started out pretty good.  As we were heading back to  
I-81, we passed a small Collision shop that had a bay door open.  We  
decided to stop and see if they could help us with a more permanent  
fix than my tape job.  The very nice older gentlemen was more than  
happy to solder the wires together, and send us on our way.  We  
thought we were all set.  We were wrong.

One thing I learned a long time ago about these cars:  Just because  
you fixed one problem, doesn't mean that was the ONLY problem.  We  
were still having issues with fuel delivery.  She would spit and  
sputter and die, but the fuel pump would run, and she would start up  
again without a problem.  (BTW, I now refer to her as "she".  We  
decided "she" MUST be female, because she was being a real bitch at  
times)  Anyhoo, this appeared to be an issue only on uphill climbs.   
Unfortunately, that's a pretty big problem when you have to drive  
through the Poconos.  Especially when you have no parts or tools, all  
garages are close, and you're going in a pouring rainstorm (did I  
mention the top leaks?  REAL BAD?).  We had to stop in Syracuse so I  
could change my clothes -- I got soaked INSIDE the car.  Fortunately,  
the clothes in the boot were dry.  My companion wanted to ride the  
rest of the way in the dry boot, but she wouldn't fit.

Anyway, I managed to nurse the car home-- the 300 or so miles we  
still had to go.  I got real good at pulling onto the shoulder,  
restarting her, and merging back into traffic.  It was a long ride  
home.  It would have been much better if it wasn't raining the whole  
trip.   It finally stopped raining and the sun came out about 10  
miles outside of Buffalo (I was told it hadn't rained all day here) -  
home sweet home.  The dog was happy to see us; the pet sitter was  
happy to be going home; and we were glad to be back.  I'm not sure  
how the car felt.


Continued on Part 2...........

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 06:53:07 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:53:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye parts, now Red Devil- Part 1Aa
Message-ID: <5A89D36F-73BD-4885-A7BD-3ABF51E2D1E1@roadrunner.com>

Okay, the first part of my message still isn't coming out.....  I'll  
split it again, into parts 1Aa and 1Ab.  So, if you read all messages  
in order, the order should be Parts 1Aa, 1Ab, 1B, and 2.  Got it?

Okay, here's Part 1Aa......

> On Oct 1, 2008, at 4:41 PM, brian S wrote:
>
>> Nory,
>>
>> it was nice to finally meet you and your friend Saturday.
>> how was the rest of your trip home with Fr. Jacks
>> former car??
>>
>> Brian S.
>> Bugeyeracer under resto
>>

Well, it did not go well.

We got in around 7:00 at night, on SUNDAY.  Had some problems.  I  
think I cursed myself by calling and telling Frank everything was  
fine after the initial breakdown and fix.  We were good for a while,  
when that loose connection popped out again.  Upon plugging it back  
in, the female parts of the connector fell apart in my hands.  I did  
my best to put it back together, but could only get moving if I  
actually held it together with one hand.  We were on I-81, 14 miles  
south of the PA line, so that wasn't working out too well -- Pretty  
hard to steer, shift, and hold wires together at the same time.   
Since my passenger refused to take on any of those responsibilities   
(:   we decided to pull over and call AAA.  They assured us they  
would be along in a half hour.

An hour later, I called AAA back.  They couldn't find the record of  
the call, transferred me to five different AAA regions, and finally  
discovered that a truck had been dispatched in Western PA, nowhere  
near New Jersey.  These idiots didn't believe me when I told them I  
was in New Jersey.  They said "are you sure?".  I pointed out that,  
although I didn't know exactly what town I was in, I had a receipt  
for gas from Peapack, NJ that I got 30 minutes before the car died --  
How could I possibly be in Western PA?!!!!  Obviously, I was quickly  
losing my patience.  They couldn't figure out where I was, even  
though I told them I-81, westbound, at mile marker 14.  Any moron  
could figure out that means I'm still 14 miles from the PA line.   
That phone call took 45 minutes (thankfully my cel phone was fully  
charged).  Five minutes later, I got a call from the driver of the  
flatbed they dispatched.  He knew exactly where I was and was on the  
way.  So, we finally got picked up, almost 3 hours after my initial  
call to AAA.  What else could go wrong?

Continued on Part 1Ab..........

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 06:56:06 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye parts, now Red Devil- Part 1Ab
Message-ID: <94326F1C-0BC6-4217-937A-8974BA4D1C61@roadrunner.com>

Part 1Ab..........

Well, any service station that could help was, of course, closed  
after 5:00 on Saturday and wouldn't be open 'til Monday.  If AAA had  
gotten us help when I first called, we would have made it, but by  
this time there was no chance of finding anyone open.  We got the  
idea to try Sears at the mall in Stroudsburg, PA.  I figured, even if  
the Auto Center was closed, I could buy a few items that would allow  
me to fix the wires myself, and get us on our way.  Oh, by the way,  
did I mention that it was raining most of the way to this point?  And  
the top leaks..... really bad.  The speedo doesn't work either, but  
that was the least of our problems.

Anyway, the auto center at Sears had just closed, but the nice man  
opened a bay for us, so I could work inside, and he let me use their  
wire cutters and strippers.  He didn't have any electrical connectors  
that would work, but I went in the store and bought some electrical  
tape and a flashlight.  I got us wired up and taped together, and got  
her running again.  By that time it was dark out, and still raining,  
so we decided to stay at the Howard Johnson's and attempt the drive  
in the morning.  I was looking forward to a good night's sleep.  I  
didn't get it.  If you ever consider staying at the Howard Johnson's  
in Stroudsburg, PA, when it's raining, ask them if they've fixed the  
roof yet.  We listened to the roof leak dripping on the carpet all  
night (well, at least, one of us did - the other slept soundly).

Continued on Part 1B.........  (sorry, this is SO confusing -- I'm  
giving up after this)

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 06:57:03 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:57:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] bondo tips
Message-ID: <205cef430810040557ld264194v100b330bbaee3dd8@mail.gmail.com>

I just heard a body guy on a Speed channel show say he uses blue painters
tape for applying bondo and after he applies the bondo he pulls it off and
flares the bondo when hard. Cool tip.
Lin

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 07:01:05 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:01:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye Parts, now Red Devil
Message-ID: <536DC11D-AA27-44F9-AEEB-B639A6695DDD@roadrunner.com>

Okay, the middle part (part 1Ab) of my story isn't coming out, so I  
have to split that up too.  So, now, if you read all posts in order,  
they are:  Part 1Aa, "Middle1", "Middle2", Part 1B, and Part  
2........  Got it?  Good, 'cause I'm really confused.

Part "Middle1"..........

Well, any service station that could help was, of course, closed  
after 5:00 on Saturday and wouldn't be open 'til Monday.  If AAA had  
gotten us help when I first called, we would have made it, but by  
this time there was no chance of finding anyone open.  We got the  
idea to try Sears at the mall in Stroudsburg, PA.  I figured, even if  
the Auto Center was closed, I could buy a few items that would allow  
me to fix the wires myself, and get us on our way.  Oh, by the way,  
did I mention that it was raining most of the way to this point?  And  
the top leaks..... really bad.  The speedo doesn't work either, but  
that was the least of our problems.


Continued on Part "Middle2"

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 07:02:10 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:02:10 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye parts, now Red Devil - Part "Middle2"
Message-ID: <A8FD68FF-AD75-4751-8E85-029D9CDB63EE@roadrunner.com>

Part "Middle2"..........

Anyway, the auto center at Sears had just closed, but the nice man  
opened a bay for us, so I could work inside, and he let me use their  
wire cutters and strippers.  He didn't have any electrical connectors  
that would work, but I went in the store and bought some electrical  
tape and a flashlight.  I got us wired up and taped together, and got  
her running again.  By that time it was dark out, and still raining,  
so we decided to stay at the Howard Johnson's and attempt the drive  
in the morning.  I was looking forward to a good night's sleep.  I  
didn't get it.  If you ever consider staying at the Howard Johnson's  
in Stroudsburg, PA, when it's raining, ask them if they've fixed the  
roof yet.  We listened to the roof leak dripping on the carpet all  
night (well, at least, one of us did - the other slept soundly).

Continued on Part 1B.........  (sorry, this is SO confusing -- I'm  
giving up after this)


(What is the max length a post can be on the list anyway?  Some of  
this wseemed way too short to have been rejected._

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 07:04:12 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] apologies
Message-ID: <FF1366B1-FBDD-49CD-99CC-13D8F07DE526@roadrunner.com>

My sincere apologies to the list for all the confusion on my posts.   
My brain hurts.

I'm going orienteering today, so I guess I'll go get lost in the  
woods now...........

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  4 07:24:39 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:24:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
Message-ID: <411960.51473.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> Total house and garage gas bill isn't too bad, $250 a
> month during Jan & 
> Feb. last year.

Holy Spirite! Mine was less in the worst winter in 100 years here, but we grow the young-ins tough and keeop the house in the teens ;-). But anyway, I use a Modine natural gas heater, the Hot Dawg 60,000 BTU model. I absolutely love it, although I read the other day Modine is in trouble. Flounder and Peter have radiant heat in their shops, and that would be my preference, but I had to used forced air because of the configuration of the workspace. I have a 24x28 main garage with a 15x20 workshop off of it with oversized french doors going into it so I can drive the car through (picture here, upper right corner: http://flickr.com/photos/soavero/2866501870 ) . The thermostat goes down to 38F, is left at 40F, and when I work in there I kick it to 55 - 65. It takes about 2 minutes to pull the shop up from 40, and if I open the doors it will pull the whole shop up to comfort level in less than 10 minutes. I do wish it had a lower fan setting for maintaining
 temps - since I sized it for the whole garage when I'm just in the shop (like Frank, 23.9/6.9) it's 40 seconds of blast furnace followed by 40 minutes of nothing, which gets a little annoying.

Those propane cannons are not suitable for indoor use and are brutally noisy. I have one going on ebay soon. Check www.garagejournal.com for LOTS of ideas.

Ron

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sat Oct  4 07:26:05 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:26:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] apologies
In-Reply-To: <FF1366B1-FBDD-49CD-99CC-13D8F07DE526@roadrunner.com>
References: <FF1366B1-FBDD-49CD-99CC-13D8F07DE526@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <116A676C-C732-4323-BD40-3B958FECC620@phillymgclub.com>

No worries Nory.

I got it all sorted out. Sorry to hear all the troubles. Especially  
since I fixed you the first time on the GSP. Glad you made it safe and  
sound and the car ran OK when it ran.

I have had more than my share of those kinds of trips (swapping the  
alternator out in a driving rain storm in VA comes quickly to mind).  
BUt as you noted, they are never forgotten and seem to merge into fond  
memories that are laughed about in the telling years later.

And as always, wonderful to put a face to a name I have known for years.

Larry

On Oct 4, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Nory wrote:

> My sincere apologies to the list for all the confusion on my posts.
> My brain hurts.
>
> I'm going orienteering today, so I guess I'll go get lost in the
> woods now...........
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worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".

From bighealey at charter.net  Sat Oct  4 07:50:55 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:50:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <50276.72.64.0.243.1222992476.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>
Message-ID: <30873C1ACFC941F1940FDB4E93D74FB4@TRACY>

New pump.  Rebuild old one and carry as a spare.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:08 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] fuel pump

List,
I have slightly leaky fuel pump (66 Sprite)that leaks during use, but not
when parked.  Is there a fix or is a new pump the best route?
Thanks
Dick B. in NH
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  4 08:01:20 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:01:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] apologies
In-Reply-To: <FF1366B1-FBDD-49CD-99CC-13D8F07DE526@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <497734.31521.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Nory <nory1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
"My sincere apologies to the list for all the confusion on my posts.  
My brain hurts."

 
Nory,
Don't worry about the out-of-order posts.  If you think about it, it kind of
fits that an account of a multi-state rain-soaked road trip in a "new" 40 year
old British roadster is a bit non-sequitur.  Glad you made it home.  You now
have firmly established the first of your stories about the "Red Devil".
 
BTW - We were all wondering why we never got the call or email that you made
it home Saturday night, but came to the conclusion that no news must be good
news...
 
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From healeymonster at fastwave.biz  Sat Oct  4 08:23:07 2008
From: healeymonster at fastwave.biz (Ed Townley)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:23:07 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
Message-ID: <FD6C12CE1C4149AB9A349B22C4EB954C@Edsoffice>

Steve: I have a friend who has one of these Spartan radiant tube heaters
hanging from the ceiling of his aircraft hanger, and it is amazing-- see
http://www.easyradiantworks.com/default.html
It heats objects rather than trying to change the air temps, and is
really efficient.  I would love to have one for my 30X50 garage, but
can't really justify the cost considering our Short winters in Southern
NM.  Although we are at about 4000 ft above Sea level, Most days in the
winter, I can open the garage door that faces south, and the sun will
warm the place pretty well by 10 or 11 am. For those other times, or
cloudy days, I use a portable propane heater.---now, if I could just
afford refrigerated air for the summers-------------
Cheers
Ed Townley

From: Steven Michelsen <stevenm at optonline.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
To: "Midget Group at team.net" <spridgets at Autox.Team.Net>
Message-ID: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61 at 1705n3>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a
wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an
insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the
Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than
natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway,
does anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?
I am looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.

thanks,
Steve


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From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 09:33:29 2008
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster))
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com>
	<6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget>
	<48E41637.9040808@frontiernet.net>
	<8de85a9c0810012046me5bf8cbqd6c0d501a37663eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <8de85a9c0810040833i4a6bc058l343f17be4299c200@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who responded!

Another tidbit of knowledge that I'd never heard before.  I knew to not ride
the clutch at stoplights and on hills (learned that in my first Corvair).
 And yes, the car certainly does start a lot easier without the clutch
depressed!


On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:33 AM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

>  I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a reason
>> NOT to do that??
>>
>
> Yes. Several reasons, in fact. When you push down the clutch pedal to
> dis-engage the clutch, ALL of the spring pressure of your pressure plate is
> pushing the crankshaft forwards. There is no oil circulating in the engine
> yet and the thrust bearing surfaces will wear more accordingly.
>
> Likewise, if you are using the stock carbon-faced clutch release, you
> should ONLY touch the clutch pedal to launch the car or to shift gears. It
> is extrememly annoying to pull the engine for no other reason than to change
> the clutch release because the DPO sat at stoplights with his foot on the
> clutch.
> David Lieb

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  4 11:20:01 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
In-Reply-To: <BLU111-W12E3B787A97421A91F6856C23C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <332752.66612.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think the praying was Frank's spur of the moment brainstrom - worked out
well.  Jim also wasn't joining in, but seems he had better things to do with
his hands - or at least a couple of fingers as it seems...
 - David

--- On Fri, 10/3/08, brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
To: "spridget" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 7:34 AM

Thanks for posting the pics Dave.
Strange thing, when I view the site, they show up on pages 3 tp 4, but as you
said in reverse order.
I really like pic 285!!
Tho, I notice that Phil isn't prayin! <VBG>

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:17:47 -0700
> From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
>
> Perhaps I should have been more specific in the subject line of the email
I
> sent out last night.  There are probably close to 50 new images posted on
the
> site at the link below from this past weekend at Frank's house.  Start
at
page
> 5 of the images to see the new ones.  They are more or less posted in
reverse
> order, with the Holy Sprite looking pretty good in the first ones and
> progressively looking more ragged as the images roll by.
>
> In case you can't tell, there's one of Father Jack holding open
his shirt
to
> reveal that the white collar peeping out from under during his sermon
Sunday
> morning was actually his Holy Sprite T-shirt.  What a guy!
>
> Pics URL:  http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100141
>
>  - David Booker
> '71 Midget
> Long Island
>


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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sat Oct  4 11:36:25 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:36:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <FD6C12CE1C4149AB9A349B22C4EB954C@Edsoffice>
References: <FD6C12CE1C4149AB9A349B22C4EB954C@Edsoffice>
Message-ID: <68C784CC5F964867A4E278C51649DEFD@Home>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Townley" <healeymonster at fastwave.biz>
To: <stevenm at optonline.net>
Cc: <spridgets at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?


> Steve: I have a friend who has one of these Spartan radiant tube heaters
> hanging from the ceiling of his aircraft hanger, and it is amazing-- see
> http://www.easyradiantworks.com/default.html
> It heats objects rather than trying to change the air temps, and is
> really efficient.  I would love to have one for my 30X50 garage, but
> can't really justify the cost considering our Short winters in Southern
> NM.  Although we are at about 4000 ft above Sea level, Most days in the
> winter, I can open the garage door that faces south, and the sun will
> warm the place pretty well by 10 or 11 am. For those other times, or
> cloudy days, I use a portable propane heater.---now, if I could just
> afford refrigerated air for the summers-------------
> Cheers
> Ed Townley
>
> From: Steven Michelsen <stevenm at optonline.net>
> Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
> To: "Midget Group at team.net" <spridgets at Autox.Team.Net>
> Message-ID: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61 at 1705n3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a
> wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an
> insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the
> Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than
> natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway,
> does anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?
> I am looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.
>
> thanks,
> Steve
>
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sat Oct  4 11:40:11 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:40:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <FD6C12CE1C4149AB9A349B22C4EB954C@Edsoffice>
References: <FD6C12CE1C4149AB9A349B22C4EB954C@Edsoffice>
Message-ID: <11EBF7C1063444F2A633607B1B66C6E6@Home>

> Steve: I have a friend who has one of these Spartan radiant tube heaters
> hanging from the ceiling of his aircraft hanger,

There was a small radiant heater for sale at a modest price last winter at 
Price Club.  We could feel it walking by more than 10' away.  It only heats 
what it irradiates, so you would have to move it about.  But it would be 
extremely cost-effective.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From frogeye at cox.net  Sat Oct  4 16:30:07 2008
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:30:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>

I just stumbled across this ad on Craigslist
Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on his
Midget.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/848104645.html

Alan

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  4 16:55:54 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] apologies
In-Reply-To: <FF1366B1-FBDD-49CD-99CC-13D8F07DE526@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <825811.98920.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Nory <nory1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> My sincere apologies

No need. Brilliant story - thanks for posting it.

Ron

From bkitterer at mac.com  Sat Oct  4 17:14:26 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:14:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel Air Mixture
Message-ID: <FF9ACDA7-AA47-42FC-86AF-F97B187D4AB7@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

Went out this morning (4 pm now) to recheck the tune up and do some  
minor - so I thought - fuel air adjustments.

Valves OK

Plugs OK

Pentronix ignition

Timing OK

Float level OK

Dash Pot Oil OK

Fuel Air mixture NOT OK

I went back to ground zero backing the jets off 12 flats.  Lifting  
the front piston 1 mm engine speeds up - - back up two flats and it  
is OK.  Lifting the rear piston and the engine stops.  Have open it  
rear jet eight flats and it is only slightly better.  This does not  
seem right.  Am currently about brain dead, frustrated and if I do  
not get it up and going will miss SD British Car Day tomorrow.  I use  
to do all of this in about two hours.

Thanks All




Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sat Oct  4 17:19:44 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:19:44 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
In-Reply-To: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
References: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
Message-ID: <B50DD213E7284A6BAFC8720022B971B0@Home>

> Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on his

A lot of skills are required to work on Spridgets.  But it seems to me that 
wifery must be the most important of all.  Keeping wives happy, or at least 
quiet, must rate right up there with diagnosing electrical problems.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct  4 17:37:32 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (kk7ss at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:37:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
In-Reply-To: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
References: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
Message-ID: <48E79BCC.16804.C70CA1@kk7ss.verizon.net>

On 4 Oct 2008 at 18:30, Alan wrote:
> Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on
> his Midget.

Still "Wife" and not "ex-Wife" ??
Something wrong with that....

From refisk at chartermi.net  Sat Oct  4 17:38:13 2008
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:38:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
References: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
	<B50DD213E7284A6BAFC8720022B971B0@Home>
Message-ID: <077101c9267a$449f5c90$6401a8c0@refisk>

If that was my car it would be time to get rid of the wife, not the car.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: <spridgets at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you


> > Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on his
>
> A lot of skills are required to work on Spridgets.  But it seems to me
that
> wifery must be the most important of all.  Keeping wives happy, or at
least
> quiet, must rate right up there with diagnosing electrical problems.
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
> Long Island, NY

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sat Oct  4 17:52:54 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:52:54 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <cc2.2ed9410b.36195bd6@aol.com>

My wife doesn't know where I keep the car keys.  I think this is  important.
 
In a message dated 05/10/2008 00:47:27 GMT Daylight Time,  
refisk at chartermi.net writes:

If that  was my car it would be time to get rid of the wife, not the  car.

Rick

From bkitterer at mac.com  Sat Oct  4 19:53:06 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel Air Mixture Followup
In-Reply-To: <FF9ACDA7-AA47-42FC-86AF-F97B187D4AB7@mac.com>
References: <FF9ACDA7-AA47-42FC-86AF-F97B187D4AB7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <27E8FD67-22C0-4909-8177-49451B03601B@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

Disassembled the rear carb. Check the jet to fuel bowl which was  
clear.  Noticed a goodly number of scrape marks on the piston damper  
tube.  Looking through the tube in the dash pot it looked like there  
might be some very small rust spot or flakes inside the tube.  So  
polished both the dash pot and piston tubes.  After cleaning  
reassembled the carb which still was lean but not as bad as it had  
been.  Opened it up two flats (14 total) which helped but not where  
it should be.  Still the car is drivable and did well up to 55 mph.   
So am going to have a go at it tomorrow which is mostly freeway and  
about 120 miles round trip.

Thanks to all, this list is great as always.


Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 20:37:56 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:37:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
Message-ID: <48E82884.6080905@comcast.net>

Since the blitz last weekend, I have been working on some of the heavy 
body work.
You know the stuff that needs Taco Bell wrappers as backers and fillers ;)
I primed the whole car today and that showed many imperfections all over 
the car.
More dolly work along the back near the tail lamps, lots of minor dents 
and dings, and a few pimples in the bonnet.
Nothing out of the ordinary and it is better than most of my projects 
but it will need another weeks worth of bondo and
sanding before the filler/primer goes on and then I can start with some 
180 grit and block sand.
I am still hoping for a late October final paint job so we should be on 
schedule.
Now that it's cooler at night and I can get upstairs in the garage, I 
have been glass beading and powder coating some of the smaller parts so 
they will be ready for the final assembly.
98% of the parts are here now and I have spoken to the guy who will 
cover the seats and will have them finished before the next
Holy shit session where we will assemble the car.
I have set up a side trip for who ever wants to go to the local glass 
shop where Mike will show us how to install a Bugeye windshield glass in 
the frame. This will be on a Saturday in early Nov when we assemble the 
Holy Sprite.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 20:48:20 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:48:20 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <100520080248.25932.48E82AF4000BFD620000654C22165258569B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

If she did that to the car when she got mad what did she do to him? or what will she do nest time?
YIKES!!!
ryan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com 

> My wife doesn't know where I keep the car keys. I think this is important. 
> 
> In a message dated 05/10/2008 00:47:27 GMT Daylight Time, 
> refisk at chartermi.net writes: 
> 
> If that was my car it would be time to get rid of the wife, not the car. 
> 
> Rick 
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From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 20:57:23 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:57:23 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
Message-ID: <100520080257.10866.48E82D130003026F00002A7222165258569B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

Frank,
Can you post pictures (on larry's site) of the proper taco bell wrapper technique and how the sprite looks now?When are you planing on painting?  I would like to come out and see the arteest at work.  So I can learn how to do it myself one day.
ryan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> 

> Since the blitz last weekend, I have been working on some of the heavy 
> body work. 
> You know the stuff that needs Taco Bell wrappers as backers and fillers ;) 
> I primed the whole car today and that showed many imperfections all over 
> the car. 
> More dolly work along the back near the tail lamps, lots of minor dents 
> and dings, and a few pimples in the bonnet. 
> Nothing out of the ordinary and it is better than most of my projects 
> but it will need another weeks worth of bondo and 
> sanding before the filler/primer goes on and then I can start with some 
> 180 grit and block sand. 
> I am still hoping for a late October final paint job so we should be on 
> schedule. 
> Now that it's cooler at night and I can get upstairs in the garage, I 
> have been glass beading and powder coating some of the smaller parts so 
> they will be ready for the final assembly. 
> 98% of the parts are here now and I have spoken to the guy who will 
> cover the seats and will have them finished before the next 
> Holy shit session where we will assemble the car. 
> I have set up a side trip for who ever wants to go to the local glass 
> shop where Mike will show us how to install a Bugeye windshield glass in 
> the frame. This will be on a Saturday in early Nov when we assemble the 
> Holy Sprite. 
> 
> -- 
> Frank Clarici 
> Toms River, NJ 
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From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From kidjoevid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 04:04:35 2008
From: kidjoevid at yahoo.com (Joe Lansing)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
Message-ID: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 05:42:04 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 04:42:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
In-Reply-To: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F0E43AF256DA4B608EB37A0F1EE32301@spider>

You might borrow a working coil from someone, or another vehicle. Also, most
new stuff is being made off-shore, so may not work up to original specs.
...bill

======================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Lansing
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:05 AM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil
problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground
during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct
from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire
(the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for
spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the
high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything
through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe
_______________________________________________

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 06:36:54 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <411960.51473.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <411960.51473.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430810050536g273facd4u1e7397bc64545fe5@mail.gmail.com>

Ron,
Sweet garage, are those b & w tiles glued onto concrete or onto plywood? My
garage is concrete block walls and concrete floors which gets damp when it
rains hard. I like your tiles if I seal the concrete will those tiles stick?
Lin

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Total house and garage gas bill isn't too bad, $250 a
> > month during Jan &
> > Feb. last year.
>
> Holy Spirite! Mine was less in the worst winter in 100 years here, but we
> grow the young-ins tough and keeop the house in the teens ;-). But anyway, I
> use a Modine natural gas heater, the Hot Dawg 60,000 BTU model. I absolutely
> love it, although I read the other day Modine is in trouble. Flounder and
> Peter have radiant heat in their shops, and that would be my preference, but
> I had to used forced air because of the configuration of the workspace. I
> have a 24x28 main garage with a 15x20 workshop off of it with oversized
> french doors going into it so I can drive the car through (picture here,
> upper right corner: http://flickr.com/photos/soavero/2866501870 ) . The
> thermostat goes down to 38F, is left at 40F, and when I work in there I kick
> it to 55 - 65. It takes about 2 minutes to pull the shop up from 40, and if
> I open the doors it will pull the whole shop up to comfort level in less
> than 10 minutes. I do wish it had a lower fan setting for maintaining
>  temps - since I sized it for the whole garage when I'm just in the shop
> (like Frank, 23.9/6.9) it's 40 seconds of blast furnace followed by 40
> minutes of nothing, which gets a little annoying.
>
> Those propane cannons are not suitable for indoor use and are brutally
> noisy. I have one going on ebay soon. Check www.garagejournal.com for LOTS
> of ideas.
>
> Ron
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 06:49:33 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 05:49:33 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810050536g273facd4u1e7397bc64545fe5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <411960.51473.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<205cef430810050536g273facd4u1e7397bc64545fe5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0944313379AB443099B11C668F084FB0@spider>

First figure out if the moisture is due to condensation or ground water
wicking up thru the concrete. If it is condensation anything you put on the
floor should have more insulating value to cut down on that. If it is water
coming up from below, try sealing the floor first to see if you stop it.
Local flooring stores would be the best resource on these issues. ...bill

==============================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Linda Grunthaner
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:37 AM
To: soavero at yahoo.com
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?

Ron,
Sweet garage, are those b & w tiles glued onto concrete or onto plywood? My
garage is concrete block walls and concrete floors which gets damp when it
rains hard. I like your tiles if I seal the concrete will those tiles stick?
Lin

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct  5 05:10:21 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:10:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEPLEAAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEPLEAAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <B292CD0A-E007-4B05-80A2-A4B4CBF581ED@phillymgclub.com>

So???

I made no claims for it, except a place to load images. And I got a  
lot of them. I have taken no time to organize it or caption or  
nothing. So folks can look at the pics of the progress and they all  
unnerstan the limits, unlike some curmudgeons I can name.

Larry

On Oct 5, 2008, at 12:21 AM, Ed's Shop wrote:

> <<Can you post pictures (on larry's site) of the...>>
>
> That 'site' is worse than Frank's (which he will admit<G>), Ryan !!!
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78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club


"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of  
arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in  
sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally  
worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 07:39:29 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <0944313379AB443099B11C668F084FB0@spider>
Message-ID: <242047.93624.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/5/08, corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Sweet garage, are those b & w tiles 

The floor is just a roll, like a giant mousepad. It's made by Armstrong, comes in 12' wide rolls, and is resistant to everything except hot tires (the floor discolors brown in the shape of the tire patch, so it is a useful tool to optimize air pressures ;-)). It's only 59 cents per square foot, insulates nicely, and you can cut it with a scissor. I would NOT recommend it for a garage that gets a lot of daily use. I use it in my trailer and in the workshop and it's great for that. This guy has it on ebay, but for a lot more than my local Menard's does:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=200145664828&refid=store

Ron

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 07:56:41 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:56:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
In-Reply-To: <100520080248.25932.48E82AF4000BFD620000654C22165258569B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <549597.76196.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ryan,
Did you download the image of you with the grille from Larry's site?  You
asked me to take it and send it to you.  I can send it separately if you
want.  You might also want the one of you looking out thru the passenger
headlight hole - a classic if I do say so myself. I didn't know your email
address till now or would have contacted you earlier.
 - David


--- On Sat, 10/4/08, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net <ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net>
wrote:

From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net <ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 9:48 PM

If she did that to the car when she got mad what did she do to him? or what
will
she do nest time?
YIKES!!!
ryan

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com

> My wife doesn't know where I keep the car keys. I think this is
important.
>
> In a message dated 05/10/2008 00:47:27 GMT Daylight Time,
> refisk at chartermi.net writes:
>
> If that was my car it would be time to get rid of the wife, not the car.
>
> Rick
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 08:04:35 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Lister list?
Message-ID: <886417.78194.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there some function of the List that will tell us who the members are? 
Just wondering as I met a bunch of people at last weekend's Holy Sprite
event.  I don't know how to get in touch with any individuals except if I
recognize somebody's name in a post.  There are also those who use "handles"
(showing my age there with CB terminology) other than their names. 
 
Just curious. 
 
David Booker
'71 Midget

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 08:14:33 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:14:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Windshield tesioner bar
Message-ID: <782087.28092.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Was just out in the garage contemplating the next projects to tackle when I
noticed the tensioner bar in the center of LWB's windshield.  I had a friend
many years ago that cracked the windshield on his B because he tightened it up
too much.  My windshield is fine and because of his experience I've never
touched that bar on any of my cars.  I was just wondering if it can be too
loose?  What is the proper tension on it, anyway?  Anybody else had bad
experiences with it?
 
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Sun Oct  5 08:18:33 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:18:33 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <682f01c926f5$3fc64050$056a010a@mail2world.com>

Yep, keeping the wife happy is key.

I'm one lucky SOB in that my wife encourages my car habit. For example:

Bought my Midget as a Birthday gift for me.
Bought the interior kit and top for the restoration of said Midget.
Doesn't to bodywork with a baseball bat (that's my job - the Louisville
slugger fender roller)
Didn't divorce me when I nearly killed the both of us by rolling the
Midget. She still rides in it too.
Went to Detroit with me to pick up my Cosworth Vega.
Went BACK to Detroit this year for the Cosworth Roundup in June.
Her '91 BMW (daily driver) is slated to be my next restoration project. 

AND, she's brewing beer with me this weekend.

I just need to cook dinner, do the dishes, and keep the cats fed. Oh,
and all the repair projects in the (175 year old) house....

I wouldn't have it any other way.

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Michael Rowe [mdrowe at optonline.net]
>Sent: 10/4/2008 7:20:44 PM
>To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
>
>> Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on
his
>
>A lot of skills are required to work on Spridgets. But it seems to me
that 
>wifery must be the most important of all. Keeping wives happy, or at
least 
>quiet, must rate right up there with diagnosing electrical problems.
>
>Michael Rowe
>'74 Midget
>Long Island, NY 
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 08:20:44 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:20:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
In-Reply-To: <682f01c926f5$3fc64050$056a010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <318374.32877.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does she have a sister?

--- On Sun, 10/5/08, Chris King <cbking at alum.rpi.edu> wrote:

From: Chris King <cbking at alum.rpi.edu>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 9:18 AM

Yep, keeping the wife happy is key.

I'm one lucky SOB in that my wife encourages my car habit. For example:

Bought my Midget as a Birthday gift for me.
Bought the interior kit and top for the restoration of said Midget.
Doesn't to bodywork with a baseball bat (that's my job - the Louisville
slugger fender roller)
Didn't divorce me when I nearly killed the both of us by rolling the
Midget. She still rides in it too.
Went to Detroit with me to pick up my Cosworth Vega.
Went BACK to Detroit this year for the Cosworth Roundup in June.
Her '91 BMW (daily driver) is slated to be my next restoration project. 

AND, she's brewing beer with me this weekend.

I just need to cook dinner, do the dishes, and keep the cats fed. Oh,
and all the repair projects in the (175 year old) house....

I wouldn't have it any other way.

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Michael Rowe [mdrowe at optonline.net]
>Sent: 10/4/2008 7:20:44 PM
>To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
>
>> Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on
his
>
>A lot of skills are required to work on Spridgets. But it seems to me
that 
>wifery must be the most important of all. Keeping wives happy, or at
least 
>quiet, must rate right up there with diagnosing electrical problems.
>
>Michael Rowe
>'74 Midget
>Long Island, NY 
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From duncan at pondhop.com  Sun Oct  5 09:02:17 2008
From: duncan at pondhop.com (Duncan Sinclair)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:02:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
In-Reply-To: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJ13JjI2fhFHrY+8Rgx7QZTCgAAAEAAAAJr4weCc/otAoL7BhQpkW58BAAAAAA==@pondhop.com>

Sounds like the problem must lie in around the points or condenser if it
works when they are not being used.

Thanks
Duncan


-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+duncan=pondhop.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+duncan=pondhop.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Joe Lansing
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 05:05
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?

I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil
problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground
during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct
from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire
(the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for
spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the
high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything
through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe
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From kgb at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct  5 09:33:40 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:33:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
In-Reply-To: <318374.32877.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <318374.32877.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48E8DE54.8060803@frontiernet.net>

Does she have a brother?

David Booker wrote:
> Does she have a sister?

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 13:28:25 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:28:25 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
Message-ID: <FF3CADDC-3E9D-40EE-88BB-7487BB867F9E@comcast.net>

Ok, it's that time of year so I am under the Bugeye for it's first- 
since-assembly lubrication and I find:

One grease nipple on the outer tie rod

One grease nipple on the lower fulcrum

One upper and one lower on the suspension king pin.

First question is what am I missing?

Second is as I watch grease squirt out of only the front half of the  
fulcrum (between the A arm and kingpin mount) do I understand that to  
mean that I have to disassemble the entire thing again to figure out  
why the grease won't go past the kingpin?

Thanks as always,

Lester

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 15:35:53 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
In-Reply-To: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48E93339.6060104@comcast.net>

Joe Lansing wrote:
> I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire (the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?
>   
Make sure you have spark at the points.
Key on, flick them with a screwdriver and watch for a spark.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Sun Oct  5 15:48:28 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:48:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Windshield tesioner bar
Message-ID: <d47701c92734$1a3fa0d0$056a010a@mail2world.com>

Having replaced a windscreen a couple of years ago I can say this: too
loose will cause visible movement of the upper windscreen frame when you
latch the top. I suppose this can also cause water leaks.

HTH

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: David Booker [tncarnut1 at yahoo.com]
>Sent: 10/5/2008 10:14:33 AM
>To: spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Windshield tesioner bar
>
>Was just out in the garage contemplating the next projects to tackle
when I
>noticed the tensioner bar in the center of LWB's windshield. I had a
friend
>many years ago that cracked the windshield on his B because he
tightened it up
>too much. My windshield is fine and because of his experience I've
never
>touched that bar on any of my cars. I was just wondering if it can be
too
>loose? What is the proper tension on it, anyway? Anybody else had bad
>experiences with it?
> 
> - David Booker
>'71 Midget
>Long Island
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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Sun Oct  5 15:49:56 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:49:56 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <d4d501c92734$4e435cf0$056a010a@mail2world.com>

I get that a lot. :) Unfortunately, no, she doesn't. 

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: David Booker [tncarnut1 at yahoo.com]
>Sent: 10/5/2008 10:20:44 AM
>To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net;cbking at alum.rpi.edu
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
>
>
>Does she have a sister?
>
>--- On Sun, 10/5/08, Chris King <cbking at alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>From: Chris King <cbking at alum.rpi.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
>To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net
>Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 9:18 AM
>
>
>Yep, keeping the wife happy is key.
>
>I'm one lucky SOB in that my wife encourages my car habit. For example:
>
>Bought my Midget as a Birthday gift for me.
>Bought the interior kit and top for the restoration of said Midget.
>Doesn't to bodywork with a baseball bat (that's my job - the Louisville
>slugger fender roller)
>Didn't divorce me when I nearly killed the both of us by rolling the
>Midget. She still rides in it too.
>Went to Detroit with me to pick up my Cosworth Vega.
>Went BACK to Detroit this year for the Cosworth Roundup in June.
>Her '91 BMW (daily driver) is slated to be my next restoration project.
>
>AND, she's brewing beer with me this weekend.
>
>I just need to cook dinner, do the dishes, and keep the cats fed. Oh,
>and all the repair projects in the (175 year old) house....
>
>I wouldn't have it any other way.
>
>-=Chris
>
>Chris King
>http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Oct  5 16:38:37 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:38:37 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
In-Reply-To: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5271FA397EB34120A6F2C101975003B8@GuyLaptop>

Joe,
My guess is that the contact breaker points are wrongly assembled so that
the washers that insulate the spring from the post are missing or in the
wrong position. This will short out the points and give the symptoms that
you describe.

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+guy.weller=tiscali.co.uk at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+guy.weller=tiscali.co.uk at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Joe Lansing
Sent: 05 October 2008 11:05
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?


I'm fighting an ignition problem. Right now I'm troubleshooting a coil
problem. The coil is brand new. The car has been switched to negative ground
during extensive rework. To test the coil I am trying this: 12 volts direct
from (+) side of battery to (+) side of coil. Hold the high tension wire
(the one that goes to the distributor) just off the block (to check for
spark). Then disconnect the (-) lead from the coil. I get a spark off the
high tension wire, but it appears very weak. And when I re-attach everything
through the distributor I get no spark to the plugs. Any ideas?

Joe
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 18:08:45 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:08:45 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
In-Reply-To: <B292CD0A-E007-4B05-80A2-A4B4CBF581ED@phillymgclub.com>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEPLEAAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<B292CD0A-E007-4B05-80A2-A4B4CBF581ED@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810051708g30048171qc895d89ff57b2c04@mail.gmail.com>

Moreover, as you and I talked, Larry, the "site" is merely a repository for
the pictures until a final site can be assembled.  We knew there would be
way more pictures than there would be space to put them. We have well over
600 pictures now and there will probably be another 600 before the car is
finished. Even the scrapbook won't have a tenth of the total.

Soooo.....    STFU, Ed.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> So???
>
> I made no claims for it, except a place to load images. And I got a
> lot of them. I have taken no time to organize it or caption or
> nothing. So folks can look at the pics of the progress and they all
> unnerstan the limits, unlike some curmudgeons I can name.
>
> Larry
>
> On Oct 5, 2008, at 12:21 AM, Ed's Shop wrote:
>
> > <<Can you post pictures (on larry's site) of the...>>
> >
> > That 'site' is worse than Frank's (which he will admit<G>), Ryan !!!
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> Keep your top down and your chin up.
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>
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From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net  Sun Oct  5 19:29:30 2008
From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:29:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Tach mounting bracket
Message-ID: <50474.72.64.0.243.1223256570.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>

I'm putting the dash back together for the Bugeye and find I'm missing the
bracket that hold the tach to the back of the dash. I have the knurled
nuts. Anyone have a spare to sell?
Dick B. in NH

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 19:53:44 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:53:44 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <100620080153.27151.48E96FA80009154600006A0F22165486869B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

Mine said I will run to home depot for you if you want.....Give me the keys to the midget.
been together a little over 10 years and counting.

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> 

> Does she have a sister? 
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Chris King wrote: 
> 
> From: Chris King 
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you 
> To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net 
> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 9:18 AM 
> 
> Yep, keeping the wife happy is key. 
> 
> I'm one lucky SOB in that my wife encourages my car habit. For example: 
> 
> Bought my Midget as a Birthday gift for me. 
> Bought the interior kit and top for the restoration of said Midget. 
> Doesn't to bodywork with a baseball bat (that's my job - the Louisville 
> slugger fender roller) 
> Didn't divorce me when I nearly killed the both of us by rolling the 
> Midget. She still rides in it too. 
> Went to Detroit with me to pick up my Cosworth Vega. 
> Went BACK to Detroit this year for the Cosworth Roundup in June. 
> Her '91 BMW (daily driver) is slated to be my next restoration project. 
> 
> AND, she's brewing beer with me this weekend. 
> 
> I just need to cook dinner, do the dishes, and keep the cats fed. Oh, 
> and all the repair projects in the (175 year old) house.... 
> 
> I wouldn't have it any other way. 
> 
> -=Chris 
> 
> Chris King 
> http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ 
> 
> <-----Original Message-----> 
> >From: Michael Rowe [mdrowe at optonline.net] 
> >Sent: 10/4/2008 7:20:44 PM 
> >To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net 
> >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you 
> > 
> >> Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on 
> his 
> > 
> >A lot of skills are required to work on Spridgets. But it seems to me 
> that 
> >wifery must be the most important of all. Keeping wives happy, or at 
> least 
> >quiet, must rate right up there with diagnosing electrical problems. 
> > 
> >Michael Rowe 
> >'74 Midget 
> >Long Island, NY 
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct  6 06:07:14 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 05:07:14 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
In-Reply-To: <5271FA397EB34120A6F2C101975003B8@GuyLaptop>
References: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5271FA397EB34120A6F2C101975003B8@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <45540C6A7BC14A9FA7F3FB6CCD752A23@spider>

Very well put. The newer points (China?) sometimes are missing the
insulating washers. You have to look at it real close.  ...bill in oregon

===============================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Guy Weller
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:39 PM
To: kidjoevid at yahoo.com; 'Spridgets'
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?

Joe,
My guess is that the contact breaker points are wrongly assembled so that
the washers that insulate the spring from the post are missing or in the
wrong position. This will short out the points and give the symptoms that
you describe.

Guy

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 06:32:13 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:32:13 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
In-Reply-To: <45540C6A7BC14A9FA7F3FB6CCD752A23@spider>
References: <896996.16772.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5271FA397EB34120A6F2C101975003B8@GuyLaptop>
	<45540C6A7BC14A9FA7F3FB6CCD752A23@spider>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810060532x13685a48j5933cac430f4906b@mail.gmail.com>

Yup!  I had this exact thing happen when I put new points in just before the
Lake of the Ozarks event!  The points I got came dis-assembled in their box.
Took me twice to get the insulators in correctly.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:07 AM, <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Very well put. The newer points (China?) sometimes are missing the
> insulating washers. You have to look at it real close.  ...bill in oregon
>
> ===============================================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis <spridgets-bounces%2Bcorvallis>=
> peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Guy Weller
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:39 PM
> To: kidjoevid at yahoo.com; 'Spridgets'
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
>
> Joe,
> My guess is that the contact breaker points are wrongly assembled so that
> the washers that insulate the spring from the post are missing or in the
> wrong position. This will short out the points and give the symptoms that
> you describe.
>
> Guy
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From cclabaw at juno.com  Mon Oct  6 09:52:29 2008
From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:52:29 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
Message-ID: <20081006.085229.26776.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

There's also a grease nipple on the handbrake cable.

Clay L.



-- Lester <oldsaabguy at comcast.net> wrote:
Ok, it's that time of year so I am under the Bugeye for it's first-
since-assembly lubrication and I find:

One grease nipple on the outer tie rod

One grease nipple on the lower fulcrum

One upper and one lower on the suspension king pin.

First question is what am I missing?

Second is as I watch grease squirt out of only the front half of the
fulcrum (between the A arm and kingpin mount) do I understand that to
mean that I have to disassemble the entire thing again to figure out
why the grease won't go past the kingpin?

Thanks as always,

Lester
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From dwramsey at att.net  Mon Oct  6 10:34:02 2008
From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:34:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] coil problem - electrical experts?
In-Reply-To: <45540C6A7BC14A9FA7F3FB6CCD752A23@spider>
Message-ID: <20081006163421.EC852187663@autox.team.net>

If they are Lucas points that would be India.
		Crash


Very well put. The newer points (China?) sometimes are missing the
insulating washers. You have to look at it real close.  ...bill in oregon

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Mon Oct  6 11:12:43 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:12:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
In-Reply-To: <20081006.085229.26776.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
References: <20081006.085229.26776.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E25F450B-DC21-46F8-9E64-A6DB33188046@comcast.net>

Thanks one and all..  looks like there are a few more spots to hit  
and unless a better idea comes up, that I may have to disassemble the  
A arms and find a way to get another zerk fitting toward the back.  I  
mean I when I put this puppy together I cleaned the inside of those  
pins and the grease grooves but I'm not convinced that the grease is  
going anywhere other than out that first cork "seal".

Lester

On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:52 PM, cclabaw at juno.com wrote:

> There's also a grease nipple on the handbrake cable.
>
> Clay L.
>
>
>
> -- Lester <oldsaabguy at comcast.net> wrote:
> Ok, it's that time of year so I am under the Bugeye for it's first-
> since-assembly lubrication and I find:
>
> One grease nipple on the outer tie rod
>
> One grease nipple on the lower fulcrum
>
> One upper and one lower on the suspension king pin.
>
> First question is what am I missing?
>
> Second is as I watch grease squirt out of only the front half of the
> fulcrum (between the A arm and kingpin mount) do I understand that to
> mean that I have to disassemble the entire thing again to figure out
> why the grease won't go past the kingpin?
>
> Thanks as always,
>
> Lester
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct  6 11:43:13 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
References: <20081006.085229.26776.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4DC3765375D94296BE756C8FB04198AC@NilesAD.von.gov>

> There's also a grease nipple on the handbrake cable.

To say nothing of there being one on the steering rack UNLESS you are 
supposed to grease it... 

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Mon Oct  6 12:02:01 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
In-Reply-To: <4DC3765375D94296BE756C8FB04198AC@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <20081006.085229.26776.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
	<4DC3765375D94296BE756C8FB04198AC@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <591D9A44-8AC1-4349-93A0-1B33640F2ED5@comcast.net>

... yeah, about that... it *IS* supposed to be oil right?  But grease  
won't hurt anything will it?

Lester


On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:43 PM, David Lieb wrote:

>> There's also a grease nipple on the handbrake cable.
>
> To say nothing of there being one on the steering rack UNLESS you are
> supposed to grease it...

From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au  Mon Oct  6 16:12:04 2008
From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
In-Reply-To: <591D9A44-8AC1-4349-93A0-1B33640F2ED5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <88180.76203.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> ... yeah, about that... it *IS* supposed to be oil right?
> But grease
> won't hurt anything will it?



Grease won't help the oil flow... As far as I know, the rubber boots act like
a bellows...pumping the oil through the rack when you turn corners.
having thick grease in there does not assist in letting the oil get where it
should be.

Personally... I undo the larger clamp on each side of the rack and using a
60mL syringe and a bit of 5mm tubing, I inject gear oil under the clamp into
the rubber boot on each side until the oil spills out. Then with the front end
jacked up I turn lock - lock a few times to get the oil through. When you do
this...you can hear the oil being pumped through the rack.

Andy
mkIIa 1275 5speed
gold coast Australia



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From pythias at pacifier.com  Mon Oct  6 17:13:47 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:13:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
In-Reply-To: <E25F450B-DC21-46F8-9E64-A6DB33188046@comcast.net>
References: <20081006.085229.26776.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
	<E25F450B-DC21-46F8-9E64-A6DB33188046@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9810510816.20081006161347@pacifier.com>

Hello Lester,

     One of the suppliers known on the list, makes something so that
     there is a zerk fitting at each end of the A Arm  instead of just
     one.. Peter C. or Ed? .. . you don't have to invent it, it's been
     done...

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Other than that, Mrs. Kennedy, how was the parade? 

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  6 17:16:43 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for datsun 5 speed
Message-ID: <738623DFF8DC4561931AE968962D6095@blackbox2>

If anyone in the mid atlantic region has a Datsun 5 speed for sale feel free to contact me off list.

Tired of dealing with the shill bidding ebay scammers.  I'd rather pay cash and pick it up myself.

Thanks

From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct  6 18:09:59 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:09:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
Message-ID: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>

Having been semi incapacitated these last few weeks due to my shooting 
;) I have seen some car ads on TV.
I love the *totally redesigned* cars that look exactly like last years 
models (or any other year honda)
But my favorite is the new Lincoln MKX and as they call it, em kay ex.
Not the mark ten. So did my Dad have a Lincoln em kay eye vee? I thought 
it was a mark 4?
My old boss thought he had a Continental mark seven but it must have 
been an em kay vee eye eye.
So is my 67 Sprite a mark 4 or an em kay eye vee?
Personally, I like Mark Ten over em kay ex.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 18:09:00 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:09:00 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the suspension help...
In-Reply-To: <9810510816.20081006161347@pacifier.com>
References: <20081006.085229.26776.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
	<E25F450B-DC21-46F8-9E64-A6DB33188046@comcast.net>
	<9810510816.20081006161347@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810061709t2a09760dwafb29789b77d052b@mail.gmail.com>

I got my double zerk suspension from Just Ed

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:

> Hello Lester,
>
>     One of the suppliers known on the list, makes something so that
>     there is a zerk fitting at each end of the A Arm  instead of just
>     one.. Peter C. or Ed? .. . you don't have to invent it, it's been
>     done...
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>
>  '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
>
>  Other than that, Mrs. Kennedy, how was the parade?
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From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct  6 19:18:07 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:18:07 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
In-Reply-To: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEGBEBAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Having been semi incapacitated...>>

You've been that way for YEARS, Frank !!!	LOL

Oh wait, you mean your leg!!!

And now you are	REALLY BORED	!!!!!<G>

ppp

From bkitterer at mac.com  Mon Oct  6 19:27:28 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:27:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
In-Reply-To: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
References: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5286B061-3187-428B-BCD1-A3721DAA30F6@mac.com>

Isn't the MKX basically a Mazda RX9 as well as the Ford Edge??


Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition



On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Frank Clarici wrote:

> Having been semi incapacitated these last few weeks due to my shooting
> ;) I have seen some car ads on TV.
> I love the *totally redesigned* cars that look exactly like last years
> models (or any other year honda)
> But my favorite is the new Lincoln MKX and as they call it, em kay ex.
> Not the mark ten. So did my Dad have a Lincoln em kay eye vee? I  
> thought
> it was a mark 4?
> My old boss thought he had a Continental mark seven but it must have
> been an em kay vee eye eye.
> So is my 67 Sprite a mark 4 or an em kay eye vee?
> Personally, I like Mark Ten over em kay ex.
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From trevor.jessie at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 19:49:47 2008
From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
In-Reply-To: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
References: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8c1781040810061849s44a3608dna3a01c1108fbaea1@mail.gmail.com>

I thought the Chebby Volt was going to be a cool looking car (based on
the concept), but the engineers screwed that up to make it
aerodynamic.  There needs to be better balance between form and
function.

Trevor

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> Having been semi incapacitated these last few weeks due to my shooting
> ;) I have seen some car ads on TV.
> I love the *totally redesigned* cars that look exactly like last years
> models (or any other year honda)
> But my favorite is the new Lincoln MKX and as they call it, em kay ex.
> Not the mark ten. So did my Dad have a Lincoln em kay eye vee? I thought
> it was a mark 4?
> My old boss thought he had a Continental mark seven but it must have
> been an em kay vee eye eye.
> So is my 67 Sprite a mark 4 or an em kay eye vee?
> Personally, I like Mark Ten over em kay ex.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici

From g.h.higgins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 20:28:46 2008
From: g.h.higgins at gmail.com (Greg Higgins)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:28:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the front suspenion,
Message-ID: <30E4F6247E854B0F8D0254D4AF9CFE9A@Inspiron>

Lester;

I ended up drilling and tapping the round blanking disc on each A arm, then
screwed in the grease fittings. It took 10 minutes per side, and it's an easy
job.

Greg Higgins
63 sprite

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 04:22:23 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:22:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <0944313379AB443099B11C668F084FB0@spider>
References: <411960.51473.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<205cef430810050536g273facd4u1e7397bc64545fe5@mail.gmail.com>
	<0944313379AB443099B11C668F084FB0@spider>
Message-ID: <205cef430810070322k4c14b70ax4370acd0a1af1114@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks I'm going to seal my floor first.
Lin

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:49 AM, <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> First figure out if the moisture is due to condensation or ground water
> wicking up thru the concrete. If it is condensation anything you put on the
> floor should have more insulating value to cut down on that. If it is water
> coming up from below, try sealing the floor first to see if you stop it.
> Local flooring stores would be the best resource on these issues. ...bill
>
> ==============================================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis <spridgets-bounces%2Bcorvallis>=
> peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Linda Grunthaner
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:37 AM
> To: soavero at yahoo.com
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
>
> Ron,
> Sweet garage, are those b & w tiles glued onto concrete or onto plywood? My
> garage is concrete block walls and concrete floors which gets damp when it
> rains hard. I like your tiles if I seal the concrete will those tiles
> stick?
> Lin
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 04:23:12 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:23:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <242047.93624.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <0944313379AB443099B11C668F084FB0@spider>
	<242047.93624.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430810070323p7004b5ecn58a86ca0e015b470@mail.gmail.com>

Ron,
Thanks does this need any adhesive or can it jut float?
Lin

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Sun, 10/5/08, corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com>
> wrote:
> > Sweet garage, are those b & w tiles
>
> The floor is just a roll, like a giant mousepad. It's made by Armstrong,
> comes in 12' wide rolls, and is resistant to everything except hot tires
> (the floor discolors brown in the shape of the tire patch, so it is a useful
> tool to optimize air pressures ;-)). It's only 59 cents per square foot,
> insulates nicely, and you can cut it with a scissor. I would NOT recommend
> it for a garage that gets a lot of daily use. I use it in my trailer and in
> the workshop and it's great for that. This guy has it on ebay, but for a lot
> more than my local Menard's does:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=200145664828&refid=store
>
> Ron
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Tue Oct  7 06:27:00 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:27:00 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 Steering Column in Canada
Message-ID: <3E02A42ED8EC425B9F054B21C1BF56B5@midget>

In my role as classified ad geek for the Chicagoland MG Club, I received an 
email from a guy named Peter Mancuso who is apparently in Mississauga, 
Ontario. Anyone able to help him out a bit?

> Can you help with a steering column. I need one for my 1976 Midget. It has
> to be 49 1/2 " long and 21 1/2" from the firewall flange to the spline of
> the steering rack.
> Do you know if I can overhaul the one I have and if so do you have a
> illustration of the component breakdown???
Peter.Mancuso at pwc.ca

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 06:59:08 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:59:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Alternate Forum Question
Message-ID: <e98d88090810070559p442291a6r878f92bc3603d360@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone a member of, or know someone on a forum for cars made in the
teens or early 20's of last century?
I am in the midst of having a Handphone restored. I got all the bits apart,
glass bead blasted, and working. The proper bits are in having the rust
pitting filled, and getting painted. I will then have the brass plate
restored by a detailed modeler (there is one the next town over).
If this horn turns out as well as I hope, I plan to list it on eBay, but
want to know if the early car community would even have an interest in
something of this nature.
A Handphone is an early push button style "oogah" horn. It was patented in
Canada March 21'st 1911. I have never seen one before, and a web search has
not turned up any others of this brand so far. With restored electric horns
bringing around $200 - $300, I would be interested to see what this earlier
model may bring.

Thank you for any help you can offer up,

Brad

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From jjkan5 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 07:33:44 2008
From: jjkan5 at yahoo.com (John Kuzman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:33:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Alternate Forum Question
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810070559p442291a6r878f92bc3603d360@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <104692.61652.qm@web62506.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey Brad, is it like this one:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1912-Antique-Hand-Operated-Motorcycle-Horn-by-
Handphone_W0QQitemZ190256784712QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081004?IMSfp=TL08100410
3003r13820

--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] Alternate Forum Question
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>, "Yahoo Spridget list"
<midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:59 AM

Does anyone a member of, or know someone on a forum for cars made in the
teens or early 20's of last century?
I am in the midst of having a Handphone restored. I got all the bits apart,
glass bead blasted, and working. The proper bits are in having the rust
pitting filled, and getting painted. I will then have the brass plate
restored by a detailed modeler (there is one the next town over).
If this horn turns out as well as I hope, I plan to list it on eBay, but
want to know if the early car community would even have an interest in
something of this nature.
A Handphone is an early push button style "oogah" horn. It was
patented in
Canada March 21'st 1911. I have never seen one before, and a web search has
not turned up any others of this brand so far. With restored electric horns
bringing around $200 - $300, I would be interested to see what this earlier
model may bring.

Thank you for any help you can offer up,

Brad

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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 07:55:41 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:55:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Alternate Forum Question
In-Reply-To: <104692.61652.qm@web62506.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <e98d88090810070559p442291a6r878f92bc3603d360@mail.gmail.com>
	<104692.61652.qm@web62506.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810070655s32b89dd7naf661c3863edc15c@mail.gmail.com>

Almost....
Mine has a longer horn on it, and the lettering on the label for the word
Handphone, is in red. Other than that, that IS it!!
I guess I should have kept looking. I have spent a few days with the bead
blaster, rather then the web.
I am hoping mine looks that good when done.

Thank you!

Brad

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:33 AM, John Kuzman <jjkan5 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey Brad, is it like this one:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1912-Antique-Hand-Operated-Motorcycle-Horn-by-Handphone_W0QQitemZ190256784712QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081004?IMSfp=TL081004103003r13820
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/7/08, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Spridgets] Alternate Forum Question
> To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>, "Yahoo Spridget list" <
> midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:59 AM
>
> Does anyone a member of, or know someone on a forum for cars made in the
> teens or early 20's of last century?
> I am in the midst of having a Handphone restored. I got all the bits apart,
> glass bead blasted, and working. The proper bits are in having the rust
> pitting filled, and getting painted. I will then have the brass plate
> restored by a detailed modeler (there is one the next town over).
> If this horn turns out as well as I hope, I plan to list it on eBay, but
> want to know if the early car community would even have an interest in
> something of this nature.
> A Handphone is an early push button style "oogah" horn. It was
> patented in
> Canada March 21'st 1911. I have never seen one before, and a web search has
> not turned up any others of this brand so far. With restored electric horns
> bringing around $200 - $300, I would be interested to see what this earlier
> model may bring.
>
> Thank you for any help you can offer up,
>
> Brad
>
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 08:34:38 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810070323p7004b5ecn58a86ca0e015b470@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96374.68625.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks does this need any adhesive or can it jut float?
> Lin

Just roll it out, no adhesive necessary. Again, I would not use it for high vehicle traffic areas, but it works well in storage and work areas, although weld slag makes it smoke ;0

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  7 08:39:42 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
In-Reply-To: <5286B061-3187-428B-BCD1-A3721DAA30F6@mac.com>
References: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
	<5286B061-3187-428B-BCD1-A3721DAA30F6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W184BB1205E9B2D92EFC0C2C2380@phx.gbl>

Yep, a gussied up overpriced Edge.

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

>
>
> Isn't the MKX basically a  Ford Edge??
>
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Frank Clarici wrote:
>
> > Having been semi incapacitated these last few weeks due to my shooting
> > ;) I have seen some car ads on TV.
> > I love the *totally redesigned* cars that look exactly like last years
> > models (or any other year honda)
> > But my favorite is the new Lincoln MKX and as they call it, em kay ex.
> > Not the mark ten. So did my Dad have a Lincoln em kay eye vee? I
> > thought
> > it was a mark 4?
> > My old boss thought he had a Continental mark seven but it must have
> > been an em kay vee eye eye.
> > So is my 67 Sprite a mark 4 or an em kay eye vee?
> > Personally, I like Mark Ten over em kay ex.
> >
> > --
> > Frank Clarici
> > Toms River, NJ
>

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From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 09:51:24 2008
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster))
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Shelby's MG
Message-ID: <8de85a9c0810070851r5398f0aemca77b52e59272321@mail.gmail.com>

Carroll Shelby's first race car was a MG TC.
It's been consigned for the Barrett-Jackson Auction in Las Vegas.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/Carroll-Shelby-MGTC

From haynes386 at netzero.net  Tue Oct  7 10:19:10 2008
From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:19:10 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
Message-ID: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Hey Bugeye guys,
I remember that someone (possibly Frank?) at one time had all of the patterns
for the interior panels(or do I misremember?) of a BE. I have the original
panels for my '58, but the weather and water have made them sag. For example,
the door sill panels (under the doors) slid down onto the floor
and then took the curved shape as they rested on the floor and the sill. The
adhesive for the panel covering is toast, but the covering is relatively OK,
so my question is this, can the fiberboard be resoaked in water and pressed
flat again, or should I just do this and try to use them as patterns for
masonite replacement?

Mark Haynes
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  3 07:13:42 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:13:42 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Test
In-Reply-To: <8ADEB53B2BF54DDEAA4A23C0A8D7DDA6@universal1>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F36698B3697F3D36F3B7B88B83C0@phx.gbl>

I don't get it ... ;)

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Charley Braum" <cbaustin at verizon.net>

     I'm afraid it's that really, really large hadrian super-colloidial 
thing-a-ma-jig that's gone berserk!

     If you don't get this message, let me know right away.

                                                     CB
                                         hiding behind a pile of 
camo-neutrons inter-woven with fuzzy logic

From tinydog at snet.net  Fri Oct  3 16:56:15 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:56:15 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
Message-ID: <100320082256.4918.48E6A30E000EF7B00000133622193100029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog sez:

Vented Gas heater using an outside air source for combustion. If inexperienced, have it installed by a professional.

 -------------- Original message from Steven Michelsen <stevenm at optonline.net>: --------------

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming). 

From hgmiller3 at qwest.net  Sat Oct  4 05:12:06 2008
From: hgmiller3 at qwest.net (Herb Miller)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
References: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61@1705n3>
Message-ID: <007101c92612$096bb410$4200a8c0@HERBLAPTOP>

Steve:
Gas and electrical rates vary quite a bit through out the country so check
your utility bills. I live in Minnesota so as an example I will use my
rates.
Electricity---10.48 cents per kWh 
Gas-----------$1.32214 per therm   A therm is 100,000 btu ( your gas meter
measures cubic feet. One therm is about 100 cubic feet of gas, but the
energy content of natural gas varies. Your gas bill will show the conversion
factor. In my case it is 1.00789.)
1 kilowatt hour = 3 412.14163 btu
So one therm of electrical power would be 29.28 kWh
29.28 kWh would cost $ 3.07
$1.32214 gas vs $3.07 electricity
However; electric heaters are 100% effecent. All electric energy ends up as
heat, either from the fan or the heating elements. Gas heaters are about 80%
efficient. Most of the losses are up the flue.
There for gas use would be $1.652675 for equal heat in the garage vs $3.07
for electrical. 
On the practical side, I had a detached garage with my previous house with a
gas heater mounted near the ceiling on the back wall. I don't remember the
heat capacity, but it was about a 2.5 foot cube. Very pleased. Fast heat up
of the garage (I kept the garage at about 45 degrees when I not working), no
wasted floor space.
In a new installation plumbing is a major consideration.
Gas piping is probably more expensive than electrical wiring. Gas requires a
flue, which may or may not be easy to install.
It depends on your needs. To take the chill of in a moderate climate,
electric heater may be enough. But for larger requirements I think the
electric heater would be rather large. In Minnesota we take heating very
seriously.
Hope this helps.

Herb Miller   

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+hgmiller3=qwest.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+hgmiller3=qwest.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Steven Michelsen
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:08 PM
To: Midget Group at team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?

I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a
wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an
insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the
Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than
natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway, does
anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?  I am
looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.

thanks,
Steve
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 05:56:21 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <20081002185640.44CD4187665@autox.team.net>
References: <001701c9247f$8bca3060$6501a8c0@DOSBOURNE.hky.com>
	<20081002185640.44CD4187665@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <205cef430810040456p2312efa9lcca7549a0c024f31@mail.gmail.com>

Crash thanks for this valuable tip I may have eaten a clutch in another car
years ago.
Cool tip.
Lin

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, David Ramsey <dwramsey at att.net> wrote:

> The only time a clutch gets worn is when your foot is on the pedal. To save
> the clutch you don't leave it in gear when starting or when sitting at a
> traffic light. However if you don't leave it in gear with the clutch
> depressed when stopped, you will fail the Nevada drivers license test, go
> figure.
>                Crash
>
>
> For cars with carbon ring throw out bearings (<'75 Spridgets), the
> factory driver's handbook tells you quite clearly that the transmission
> is to be in neutral, with the clutch engaged (foot off the pedal, in
> other words), to start the engine.  This will put less load on the
> starter, allowing it to spin the engine noticeably faster.
> An added benefit is that the thrust bearing does not have to endure that
> pressure (from the force of the pressure plate pushing against it) when
> there is no oil pressure to support it.
> Bud Osbourne
>
>
> I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a
> reason
> NOT to do that??
>
> (Obviously I'm ignoring the newer cars where they force you to depress
> the
> clutch to be able to start them)
>
>
>
> > My first guess would be that someone starts his car in gear with the
> > clutch engaged, and the other starts his in neutral.
> >
> > Kate
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 06:04:14 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:04:14 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fender Flares
In-Reply-To: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
References: <48E4C0EF.5060103@lehigh.edu>
Message-ID: <205cef430810040504m62588dc0q5985a53336ac1938@mail.gmail.com>

Yea and there is no insurance on this listing. I asked for more photos which
I'm sure his reply is that his camera is broken.......yea right!

But this look of the square body Spridget is so very cool looking it really
is beautiful and I know if I ever sell my square body Sprite for a Bugeye I
will regret it. The garage is getting nervous : )
Lin

62 California Sprite "Pinky"
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On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:39 AM, John Caffrey <jdc6 at lehigh.edu> wrote:

>   Nicely  done bolt-on flares for a Midget. They look like they came out
>   of a mould and would be too much work for a one off set. The car is in
>   Japan, and I wonder if the flares are sold there?
>   http://tinyurl.com/3wpk63
>   John
>   Fogelsville, PA
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From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 06:53:07 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:53:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye parts, now Red Devil- Part 1Aa
Message-ID: <5A89D36F-73BD-4885-A7BD-3ABF51E2D1E1@roadrunner.com>

Okay, the first part of my message still isn't coming out.....  I'll  
split it again, into parts 1Aa and 1Ab.  So, if you read all messages  
in order, the order should be Parts 1Aa, 1Ab, 1B, and 2.  Got it?

Okay, here's Part 1Aa......

> On Oct 1, 2008, at 4:41 PM, brian S wrote:
>
>> Nory,
>>
>> it was nice to finally meet you and your friend Saturday.
>> how was the rest of your trip home with Fr. Jacks
>> former car??
>>
>> Brian S.
>> Bugeyeracer under resto
>>

Well, it did not go well.

We got in around 7:00 at night, on SUNDAY.  Had some problems.  I  
think I cursed myself by calling and telling Frank everything was  
fine after the initial breakdown and fix.  We were good for a while,  
when that loose connection popped out again.  Upon plugging it back  
in, the female parts of the connector fell apart in my hands.  I did  
my best to put it back together, but could only get moving if I  
actually held it together with one hand.  We were on I-81, 14 miles  
south of the PA line, so that wasn't working out too well -- Pretty  
hard to steer, shift, and hold wires together at the same time.   
Since my passenger refused to take on any of those responsibilities   
(:   we decided to pull over and call AAA.  They assured us they  
would be along in a half hour.

An hour later, I called AAA back.  They couldn't find the record of  
the call, transferred me to five different AAA regions, and finally  
discovered that a truck had been dispatched in Western PA, nowhere  
near New Jersey.  These idiots didn't believe me when I told them I  
was in New Jersey.  They said "are you sure?".  I pointed out that,  
although I didn't know exactly what town I was in, I had a receipt  
for gas from Peapack, NJ that I got 30 minutes before the car died --  
How could I possibly be in Western PA?!!!!  Obviously, I was quickly  
losing my patience.  They couldn't figure out where I was, even  
though I told them I-81, westbound, at mile marker 14.  Any moron  
could figure out that means I'm still 14 miles from the PA line.   
That phone call took 45 minutes (thankfully my cel phone was fully  
charged).  Five minutes later, I got a call from the driver of the  
flatbed they dispatched.  He knew exactly where I was and was on the  
way.  So, we finally got picked up, almost 3 hours after my initial  
call to AAA.  What else could go wrong?

Continued on Part 1Ab..........

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 06:54:01 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:54:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye parts, now Red Devil - Part 1Ab
Message-ID: <BBFEF5A0-510F-41DD-8186-17167A6E72D6@roadrunner.com>

Part 1Ab..........

Well, any service station that could help was, of course, closed  
after 5:00 on Saturday and wouldn't be open 'til Monday.  If AAA had  
gotten us help when I first called, we would have made it, but by  
this time there was no chance of finding anyone open.  We got the  
idea to try Sears at the mall in Stroudsburg, PA.  I figured, even if  
the Auto Center was closed, I could buy a few items that would allow  
me to fix the wires myself, and get us on our way.  Oh, by the way,  
did I mention that it was raining most of the way to this point?  And  
the top leaks..... really bad.  The speedo doesn't work either, but  
that was the least of our problems.

Anyway, the auto center at Sears had just closed, but the nice man  
opened a bay for us, so I could work inside, and he let me use their  
wire cutters and strippers.  He didn't have any electrical connectors  
that would work, but I went in the store and bought some electrical  
tape and a flashlight.  I got us wired up and taped together, and got  
her running again.  By that time it was dark out, and still raining,  
so we decided to stay at the Howard Johnson's and attempt the drive  
in the morning.  I was looking forward to a good night's sleep.  I  
didn't get it.  If you ever consider staying at the Howard Johnson's  
in Stroudsburg, PA, when it's raining, ask them if they've fixed the  
roof yet.  We listened to the roof leak dripping on the carpet all  
night (well, at least, one of us did - the other slept soundly).

Continued on Part 1B.........  (sorry, this is SO confusing -- I'm  
giving up after this)

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 06:57:03 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:57:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] bondo tips
Message-ID: <205cef430810040557ld264194v100b330bbaee3dd8@mail.gmail.com>

I just heard a body guy on a Speed channel show say he uses blue painters
tape for applying bondo and after he applies the bondo he pulls it off and
flares the bondo when hard. Cool tip.
Lin

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 07:02:10 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:02:10 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Bugeye parts, now Red Devil - Part "Middle2"
Message-ID: <A8FD68FF-AD75-4751-8E85-029D9CDB63EE@roadrunner.com>

Part "Middle2"..........

Anyway, the auto center at Sears had just closed, but the nice man  
opened a bay for us, so I could work inside, and he let me use their  
wire cutters and strippers.  He didn't have any electrical connectors  
that would work, but I went in the store and bought some electrical  
tape and a flashlight.  I got us wired up and taped together, and got  
her running again.  By that time it was dark out, and still raining,  
so we decided to stay at the Howard Johnson's and attempt the drive  
in the morning.  I was looking forward to a good night's sleep.  I  
didn't get it.  If you ever consider staying at the Howard Johnson's  
in Stroudsburg, PA, when it's raining, ask them if they've fixed the  
roof yet.  We listened to the roof leak dripping on the carpet all  
night (well, at least, one of us did - the other slept soundly).

Continued on Part 1B.........  (sorry, this is SO confusing -- I'm  
giving up after this)


(What is the max length a post can be on the list anyway?  Some of  
this wseemed way too short to have been rejected._

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 07:04:12 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] apologies
Message-ID: <FF1366B1-FBDD-49CD-99CC-13D8F07DE526@roadrunner.com>

My sincere apologies to the list for all the confusion on my posts.   
My brain hurts.

I'm going orienteering today, so I guess I'll go get lost in the  
woods now...........

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  4 07:24:39 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:24:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
Message-ID: <411960.51473.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
> Total house and garage gas bill isn't too bad, $250 a
> month during Jan & 
> Feb. last year.

Holy Spirite! Mine was less in the worst winter in 100 years here, but we grow the young-ins tough and keeop the house in the teens ;-). But anyway, I use a Modine natural gas heater, the Hot Dawg 60,000 BTU model. I absolutely love it, although I read the other day Modine is in trouble. Flounder and Peter have radiant heat in their shops, and that would be my preference, but I had to used forced air because of the configuration of the workspace. I have a 24x28 main garage with a 15x20 workshop off of it with oversized french doors going into it so I can drive the car through (picture here, upper right corner: http://flickr.com/photos/soavero/2866501870 ) . The thermostat goes down to 38F, is left at 40F, and when I work in there I kick it to 55 - 65. It takes about 2 minutes to pull the shop up from 40, and if I open the doors it will pull the whole shop up to comfort level in less than 10 minutes. I do wish it had a lower fan setting for maintaining
 temps - since I sized it for the whole garage when I'm just in the shop (like Frank, 23.9/6.9) it's 40 seconds of blast furnace followed by 40 minutes of nothing, which gets a little annoying.

Those propane cannons are not suitable for indoor use and are brutally noisy. I have one going on ebay soon. Check www.garagejournal.com for LOTS of ideas.

Ron

From bighealey at charter.net  Sat Oct  4 07:50:55 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:50:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <50276.72.64.0.243.1222992476.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>
Message-ID: <30873C1ACFC941F1940FDB4E93D74FB4@TRACY>

New pump.  Rebuild old one and carry as a spare.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

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lindalnhvt at nhvt.net
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:08 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] fuel pump

List,
I have slightly leaky fuel pump (66 Sprite)that leaks during use, but not
when parked.  Is there a fix or is a new pump the best route?
Thanks
Dick B. in NH
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From tr3.4.me at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 09:33:29 2008
From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster))
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Cross Country Trip
In-Reply-To: <6B301510170F42E8BD431478E97BE3C4@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <ca0.3de2d6f0.36153c0b@aol.com>
	<6B9A8B6BE4E540DEA78D205F2E63CE99@midget>
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Message-ID: <8de85a9c0810040833i4a6bc058l343f17be4299c200@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who responded!

Another tidbit of knowledge that I'd never heard before.  I knew to not ride
the clutch at stoplights and on hills (learned that in my first Corvair).
 And yes, the car certainly does start a lot easier without the clutch
depressed!


On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:33 AM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

>  I think I've always started my cars with them in gear.  Is there a reason
>> NOT to do that??
>>
>
> Yes. Several reasons, in fact. When you push down the clutch pedal to
> dis-engage the clutch, ALL of the spring pressure of your pressure plate is
> pushing the crankshaft forwards. There is no oil circulating in the engine
> yet and the thrust bearing surfaces will wear more accordingly.
>
> Likewise, if you are using the stock carbon-faced clutch release, you
> should ONLY touch the clutch pedal to launch the car or to shift gears. It
> is extrememly annoying to pull the engine for no other reason than to change
> the clutch release because the DPO sat at stoplights with his foot on the
> clutch.
> David Lieb

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  4 11:20:01 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
In-Reply-To: <BLU111-W12E3B787A97421A91F6856C23C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <332752.66612.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think the praying was Frank's spur of the moment brainstrom - worked out
well.  Jim also wasn't joining in, but seems he had better things to do with
his hands - or at least a couple of fingers as it seems...
 - David

--- On Fri, 10/3/08, brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: brian S <bugeye15 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
To: "spridget" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 7:34 AM

Thanks for posting the pics Dave.
Strange thing, when I view the site, they show up on pages 3 tp 4, but as you
said in reverse order.
I really like pic 285!!
Tho, I notice that Phil isn't prayin! <VBG>

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:17:47 -0700
> From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Pictures from OSHIT weekend
>
> Perhaps I should have been more specific in the subject line of the email
I
> sent out last night.  There are probably close to 50 new images posted on
the
> site at the link below from this past weekend at Frank's house.  Start
at
page
> 5 of the images to see the new ones.  They are more or less posted in
reverse
> order, with the Holy Sprite looking pretty good in the first ones and
> progressively looking more ragged as the images roll by.
>
> In case you can't tell, there's one of Father Jack holding open
his shirt
to
> reveal that the white collar peeping out from under during his sermon
Sunday
> morning was actually his Holy Sprite T-shirt.  What a guy!
>
> Pics URL:  http://gallery.me.com/lmacy#100141
>
>  - David Booker
> '71 Midget
> Long Island
>


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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sat Oct  4 11:36:25 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:36:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
In-Reply-To: <FD6C12CE1C4149AB9A349B22C4EB954C@Edsoffice>
References: <FD6C12CE1C4149AB9A349B22C4EB954C@Edsoffice>
Message-ID: <68C784CC5F964867A4E278C51649DEFD@Home>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Townley" <healeymonster at fastwave.biz>
To: <stevenm at optonline.net>
Cc: <spridgets at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?


> Steve: I have a friend who has one of these Spartan radiant tube heaters
> hanging from the ceiling of his aircraft hanger, and it is amazing-- see
> http://www.easyradiantworks.com/default.html
> It heats objects rather than trying to change the air temps, and is
> really efficient.  I would love to have one for my 30X50 garage, but
> can't really justify the cost considering our Short winters in Southern
> NM.  Although we are at about 4000 ft above Sea level, Most days in the
> winter, I can open the garage door that faces south, and the sun will
> warm the place pretty well by 10 or 11 am. For those other times, or
> cloudy days, I use a portable propane heater.---now, if I could just
> afford refrigerated air for the summers-------------
> Cheers
> Ed Townley
>
> From: Steven Michelsen <stevenm at optonline.net>
> Subject: [Spridgets] gas vs electric garage heater?
> To: "Midget Group at team.net" <spridgets at Autox.Team.Net>
> Message-ID: <F37FA310B6814C398373D42B5EEC5D61 at 1705n3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am pondering heating my garage (winter is coming).  I am looking for a
> wall or ceiling mounted, electric or natural gas unit that can heat an
> insulated garage (at least it WILL be insulated soon!)   Looking at the
> Northern Tools catalog I see that 240v electric heaters are cheaper than
> natural gas heaters generally, but may cost more to run (?)  Anyway,
> does anyone have an opinion about which type is better in the long run?
> I am looking to do this as cheap as possible and still get the job done.
>
> thanks,
> Steve
>
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From frogeye at cox.net  Sat Oct  4 16:30:07 2008
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:30:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>

I just stumbled across this ad on Craigslist
Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on his
Midget.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/848104645.html

Alan

From bkitterer at mac.com  Sat Oct  4 17:14:26 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:14:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel Air Mixture
Message-ID: <FF9ACDA7-AA47-42FC-86AF-F97B187D4AB7@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

Went out this morning (4 pm now) to recheck the tune up and do some  
minor - so I thought - fuel air adjustments.

Valves OK

Plugs OK

Pentronix ignition

Timing OK

Float level OK

Dash Pot Oil OK

Fuel Air mixture NOT OK

I went back to ground zero backing the jets off 12 flats.  Lifting  
the front piston 1 mm engine speeds up - - back up two flats and it  
is OK.  Lifting the rear piston and the engine stops.  Have open it  
rear jet eight flats and it is only slightly better.  This does not  
seem right.  Am currently about brain dead, frustrated and if I do  
not get it up and going will miss SD British Car Day tomorrow.  I use  
to do all of this in about two hours.

Thanks All




Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sat Oct  4 17:19:44 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:19:44 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
In-Reply-To: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
References: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
Message-ID: <B50DD213E7284A6BAFC8720022B971B0@Home>

> Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on his

A lot of skills are required to work on Spridgets.  But it seems to me that 
wifery must be the most important of all.  Keeping wives happy, or at least 
quiet, must rate right up there with diagnosing electrical problems.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct  4 17:37:32 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (kk7ss at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:37:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
In-Reply-To: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
References: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
Message-ID: <48E79BCC.16804.C70CA1@kk7ss.verizon.net>

On 4 Oct 2008 at 18:30, Alan wrote:
> Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on
> his Midget.

Still "Wife" and not "ex-Wife" ??
Something wrong with that....

From refisk at chartermi.net  Sat Oct  4 17:38:13 2008
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:38:13 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
References: <87507FEC738C4138BE4540E0917E38A3@maind>
	<B50DD213E7284A6BAFC8720022B971B0@Home>
Message-ID: <077101c9267a$449f5c90$6401a8c0@refisk>

If that was my car it would be time to get rid of the wife, not the car.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: <spridgets at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you


> > Apparently this guy's wife decided she would try some body work on his
>
> A lot of skills are required to work on Spridgets.  But it seems to me
that
> wifery must be the most important of all.  Keeping wives happy, or at
least
> quiet, must rate right up there with diagnosing electrical problems.
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
> Long Island, NY

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sat Oct  4 17:52:54 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:52:54 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <cc2.2ed9410b.36195bd6@aol.com>

My wife doesn't know where I keep the car keys.  I think this is  important.
 
In a message dated 05/10/2008 00:47:27 GMT Daylight Time,  
refisk at chartermi.net writes:

If that  was my car it would be time to get rid of the wife, not the  car.

Rick

From bkitterer at mac.com  Sat Oct  4 19:53:06 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel Air Mixture Followup
In-Reply-To: <FF9ACDA7-AA47-42FC-86AF-F97B187D4AB7@mac.com>
References: <FF9ACDA7-AA47-42FC-86AF-F97B187D4AB7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <27E8FD67-22C0-4909-8177-49451B03601B@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

Disassembled the rear carb. Check the jet to fuel bowl which was  
clear.  Noticed a goodly number of scrape marks on the piston damper  
tube.  Looking through the tube in the dash pot it looked like there  
might be some very small rust spot or flakes inside the tube.  So  
polished both the dash pot and piston tubes.  After cleaning  
reassembled the carb which still was lean but not as bad as it had  
been.  Opened it up two flats (14 total) which helped but not where  
it should be.  Still the car is drivable and did well up to 55 mph.   
So am going to have a go at it tomorrow which is mostly freeway and  
about 120 miles round trip.

Thanks to all, this list is great as always.


Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 20:37:56 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:37:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
Message-ID: <48E82884.6080905@comcast.net>

Since the blitz last weekend, I have been working on some of the heavy 
body work.
You know the stuff that needs Taco Bell wrappers as backers and fillers ;)
I primed the whole car today and that showed many imperfections all over 
the car.
More dolly work along the back near the tail lamps, lots of minor dents 
and dings, and a few pimples in the bonnet.
Nothing out of the ordinary and it is better than most of my projects 
but it will need another weeks worth of bondo and
sanding before the filler/primer goes on and then I can start with some 
180 grit and block sand.
I am still hoping for a late October final paint job so we should be on 
schedule.
Now that it's cooler at night and I can get upstairs in the garage, I 
have been glass beading and powder coating some of the smaller parts so 
they will be ready for the final assembly.
98% of the parts are here now and I have spoken to the guy who will 
cover the seats and will have them finished before the next
Holy shit session where we will assemble the car.
I have set up a side trip for who ever wants to go to the local glass 
shop where Mike will show us how to install a Bugeye windshield glass in 
the frame. This will be on a Saturday in early Nov when we assemble the 
Holy Sprite.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 20:48:20 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:48:20 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Don't let this happen to you
Message-ID: <100520080248.25932.48E82AF4000BFD620000654C22165258569B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

If she did that to the car when she got mad what did she do to him? or what will she do nest time?
YIKES!!!
ryan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com 

> My wife doesn't know where I keep the car keys. I think this is important. 
> 
> In a message dated 05/10/2008 00:47:27 GMT Daylight Time, 
> refisk at chartermi.net writes: 
> 
> If that was my car it would be time to get rid of the wife, not the car. 
> 
> Rick 
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From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 20:57:23 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:57:23 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
Message-ID: <100520080257.10866.48E82D130003026F00002A7222165258569B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

Frank,
Can you post pictures (on larry's site) of the proper taco bell wrapper technique and how the sprite looks now?When are you planing on painting?  I would like to come out and see the arteest at work.  So I can learn how to do it myself one day.
ryan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> 

> Since the blitz last weekend, I have been working on some of the heavy 
> body work. 
> You know the stuff that needs Taco Bell wrappers as backers and fillers ;) 
> I primed the whole car today and that showed many imperfections all over 
> the car. 
> More dolly work along the back near the tail lamps, lots of minor dents 
> and dings, and a few pimples in the bonnet. 
> Nothing out of the ordinary and it is better than most of my projects 
> but it will need another weeks worth of bondo and 
> sanding before the filler/primer goes on and then I can start with some 
> 180 grit and block sand. 
> I am still hoping for a late October final paint job so we should be on 
> schedule. 
> Now that it's cooler at night and I can get upstairs in the garage, I 
> have been glass beading and powder coating some of the smaller parts so 
> they will be ready for the final assembly. 
> 98% of the parts are here now and I have spoken to the guy who will 
> cover the seats and will have them finished before the next 
> Holy shit session where we will assemble the car. 
> I have set up a side trip for who ever wants to go to the local glass 
> shop where Mike will show us how to install a Bugeye windshield glass in 
> the frame. This will be on a Saturday in early Nov when we assemble the 
> Holy Sprite. 
> 
> -- 
> Frank Clarici 
> Toms River, NJ 
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Oct  4 22:21:35 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:21:35 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
In-Reply-To: <100520080257.10866.48E82D130003026F00002A7222165258569B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEPLEAAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Can you post pictures (on larry's site) of the...>>

That 'site' is worse than Frank's (which he will admit<G>), Ryan !!!

From mark at nashvilletn.org  Tue Oct  7 11:33:28 2008
From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Armacord Floor Covering
Message-ID: <00c001c928a2$d08ffc80$8500a8c0@CT>

I have seen a few Bugeyes with Armacord behind the seats and on the boot
floor.  Has anyone tried to use it for the rest of the car like under the
seats, tunnel cover and floor mats?  I am thinking it might actually be easier
to deal with than carpet.

Mark
Nashville

From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct  7 11:50:24 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:50:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
In-Reply-To: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
References: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <48EBA160.1000309@comcast.net>

I have had good luck reforming a masonite molded ceiling (headliner) 
piece from my old Jag XJ6.
I soaked it well, laid paint cans and such in the nooks and logs under 
the crannies.
Set it out in the sun to dry and it took the original shape again.
On a Bugeye, all but the door panels are just flat 1/8" masonite (aka 
hard board) And even the door pockets are flat but curved with the help 
of the metal band at the top.
They are simple to make if you have a hand held power jig saw. If the 
vinyl is OK, you can use that as a pattern or make a cardboard template 
first.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct  7 11:52:52 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:52:52 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Very interesting
Message-ID: <BAY112-F3955A9812531E13B6E7B35B8380@phx.gbl>

I thought that this was cool!


http://www.autovip.eu/

Hold over the "Mounting" menu and select 'autovip'
( and take a look at the other options as well )

From bkitterer at mac.com  Tue Oct  7 12:03:50 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:03:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
In-Reply-To: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
References: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <322024C7-2782-4D9A-808F-653D61E86D6C@mac.com>

Mark,

I have / had (?) the patterns for all of the panels.  The question is  
since I moved where are they or did they slip into a trash bin while  
moving.  Will be glad to look when I get back in a week.  It would  
help if you could send me a reminder next week - - old age, bad memory.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Mark Haynes wrote:

> Hey Bugeye guys,
> I remember that someone (possibly Frank?) at one time had all of  
> the patterns
> for the interior panels(or do I misremember?) of a BE. I have the  
> original
> panels for my '58, but the weather and water have made them sag.  
> For example,
> the door sill panels (under the doors) slid down onto the floor
> and then took the curved shape as they rested on the floor and the  
> sill. The
> adhesive for the panel covering is toast, but the covering is  
> relatively OK,
> so my question is this, can the fiberboard be resoaked in water and  
> pressed
> flat again, or should I just do this and try to use them as  
> patterns for
> masonite replacement?
>
> Mark Haynes
> HAN6L12779
> HAN5L8016
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct  7 12:46:48 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:46:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <96374.68625.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <96374.68625.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9AF118AF8A654B1EB9F31DD05BAD68F9@Home>

I have done several rental units in loose linoleum.  You only have to be 
very sure that all the edges are covered with some kind of firm trim.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: "Linda Grunthaner" <grunthaner at gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues


> --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks does this need any adhesive or can it jut float?
>> Lin
>
> Just roll it out, no adhesive necessary. Again, I would not use it for 
> high vehicle traffic areas, but it works well in storage and work areas, 
> although weld slag makes it smoke ;0
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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct  7 13:02:28 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:02:28 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
In-Reply-To: <48EBA160.1000309@comcast.net>
References: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
	<48EBA160.1000309@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D5725ACCB4254393B7A6247A92D17F03@Home>

There is a simplifying trick to making cardboard templates.  Instead of 
trying to cut all edges to size/shape, cut your cardboard into smaller 
pieces, match the edge with as many pieces as make it easy and tape them 
together.  When you have the perimeter, stick the center together well 
enough to take the whole out and lay it on another piece.  In the simplest 
case - four straight sides not rectangular, cut four straight strips and 
tape the corners at the proper angles.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 13:30:46 2008
From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com (uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810070323p7004b5ecn58a86ca0e015b470@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <145690.16960.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Linda,
 
Be sure to clean and M acid the concrete to etch it. If there is any oil or
other contaminates the sealer will not seal the floor. I did a one car garage
and it was a real job to get it clean. The rest of the process seems to go
well with a medium nap roller. I just followed the directions. Remember to
work towards a door so you have a way out....lol
 
Vigil

--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
To: soavero at yahoo.com
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:23 AM

Ron,
Thanks does this need any adhesive or can it jut float?
Lin

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Sun, 10/5/08, corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com>
> wrote:
> > Sweet garage, are those b & w tiles
>
> The floor is just a roll, like a giant mousepad. It's made by
Armstrong,
> comes in 12' wide rolls, and is resistant to everything except hot
tires
> (the floor discolors brown in the shape of the tire patch, so it is a
useful
> tool to optimize air pressures ;-)). It's only 59 cents per square
foot,
> insulates nicely, and you can cut it with a scissor. I would NOT recommend
> it for a garage that gets a lot of daily use. I use it in my trailer and
in
> the workshop and it's great for that. This guy has it on ebay, but for
a lot
> more than my local Menard's does:
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&ite
m=200145664828&refid=store
>
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From kgb at frontiernet.net  Tue Oct  7 15:23:12 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:23:12 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the classroom shot
 only one click & vote
In-Reply-To: <8CAF6D694F24A0F-40C-C36@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20081007.145512.1872.13.pvl2@juno.com>
	<8CAF6D694F24A0F-40C-C36@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <48EBD340.5090901@frontiernet.net>

These people are good friends of mine and their community really needs 
the help. If you guys could take just one minute and vote, it would 
really be appreciated.

Thanks,
Kate

friscobs at aol.com wrote:
> Parkerburg is a little town in Iowa just northeast of us that got 
> blown away by a tornado this spring. About 90% of the place was 
> leveled. Then came the flood. The Insurance Companies are being snarky 
> and FEMA's being itself.
> I do not do this kind of thing.
> Ask for help, I mean. But, these folks need it.
> All you've got to do is vote for Parkersburg.
> Now, come on...it ain't that hard.
> Let's win one for the little town.
> Bob Cheney, North Liberty, Iowa 52317
> Let's Start Letting US Count
>
>
> Subj: FW: Vote for Parkersburg!!
> send to others  Looks like it is hands down to win so far    over 70% 
> and most others all less than 10%   But vote regardless
>
>  
>
>
> Aplington-Parkersburg has been named one of 10 finalists for a $25,000 
> prize from the Henkel Company (manufactures household products 
> including Renuzit, Purex, Right Guard).  The money will be used to 
> help with rebuilding expenses associated with the tornado that 
> destroyed their high school last May.  
>
>
>
>  
>
> How can we help?  In order for them to receive the prize, they need to 
> win a nationwide voting contest.  
>
>
> To vote,
>
>  
>
> (1)   go to www.henkelhelps.com,
>
> (2)  use the Previous and Next buttons to locate A-P School in 
> Parkersburg,
>
> (3)  click the image,
>
> (4)  enter your e-mail address, and
>
> (5)  click Vote.

From mikey at b2systems.com  Tue Oct  7 16:19:29 2008
From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:19:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the classroom shot
 only one click & vote
In-Reply-To: <48EBD340.5090901@frontiernet.net>
References: <20081007.145512.1872.13.pvl2@juno.com>
	<8CAF6D694F24A0F-40C-C36@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
	<48EBD340.5090901@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <48EBE071.8050907@b2systems.com>

 WOW 78% and the closest is at 5%, gee I wonder who wins this one :)

    mike

Kathryn Bales wrote:
> These people are good friends of mine and their community really needs 
> the help. If you guys could take just one minute and vote, it would 
> really be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Kate
>
> friscobs at aol.com wrote:
>   
>> Parkerburg is a little town in Iowa just northeast of us that got 
>> blown away by a tornado this spring. About 90% of the place was 
>> leveled. Then came the flood. The Insurance Companies are being snarky 
>> and FEMA's being itself.
>> I do not do this kind of thing.
>> Ask for help, I mean. But, these folks need it.
>> All you've got to do is vote for Parkersburg.
>> Now, come on...it ain't that hard.
>> Let's win one for the little town.
>> Bob Cheney, North Liberty, Iowa 52317
>> Let's Start Letting US Count
>>
>>
>> Subj: FW: Vote for Parkersburg!!
>> send to others  Looks like it is hands down to win so far    over 70% 
>> and most others all less than 10%   But vote regardless
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Aplington-Parkersburg has been named one of 10 finalists for a $25,000 
>> prize from the Henkel Company (manufactures household products 
>> including Renuzit, Purex, Right Guard).  The money will be used to 
>> help with rebuilding expenses associated with the tornado that 
>> destroyed their high school last May.  
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> How can we help?  In order for them to receive the prize, they need to 
>> win a nationwide voting contest.  
>>
>>
>> To vote,
>>
>>  
>>
>> (1)   go to www.henkelhelps.com,
>>
>> (2)  use the Previous and Next buttons to locate A-P School in 
>> Parkersburg,
>>
>> (3)  click the image,
>>
>> (4)  enter your e-mail address, and
>>
>> (5)  click Vote.
>>     
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 17:18:13 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:18:13 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the classroom shot
 only one click & vote
In-Reply-To: <48EBE071.8050907@b2systems.com>
References: <20081007.145512.1872.13.pvl2@juno.com>
	<8CAF6D694F24A0F-40C-C36@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com>
	<48EBD340.5090901@frontiernet.net> <48EBE071.8050907@b2systems.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810071618m7d311c69obaf721cb582c35d7@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mike,

Hit me off list, will ya?

Cheers!!
Jim
bmwwxman at gmail.com

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Mike Rambour <mikey at b2systems.com> wrote:

>  WOW 78% and the closest is at 5%, gee I wonder who wins this one :)
>
>    mike
>
> Kathryn Bales wrote:
> > These people are good friends of mine and their community really needs
> > the help. If you guys could take just one minute and vote, it would
> > really be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kate
> >
> > friscobs at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Parkerburg is a little town in Iowa just northeast of us that got
> >> blown away by a tornado this spring. About 90% of the place was
> >> leveled. Then came the flood. The Insurance Companies are being snarky
> >> and FEMA's being itself.
> >> I do not do this kind of thing.
> >> Ask for help, I mean. But, these folks need it.
> >> All you've got to do is vote for Parkersburg.
> >> Now, come on...it ain't that hard.
> >> Let's win one for the little town.
> >> Bob Cheney, North Liberty, Iowa 52317
> >> Let's Start Letting US Count
> >>
> >>
> >> Subj: FW: Vote for Parkersburg!!
> >> send to others  Looks like it is hands down to win so far    over 70%
> >> and most others all less than 10%   But vote regardless
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Aplington-Parkersburg has been named one of 10 finalists for a $25,000
> >> prize from the Henkel Company (manufactures household products
> >> including Renuzit, Purex, Right Guard).  The money will be used to
> >> help with rebuilding expenses associated with the tornado that
> >> destroyed their high school last May.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> How can we help?  In order for them to receive the prize, they need to
> >> win a nationwide voting contest.
> >>
> >>
> >> To vote,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (1)   go to www.henkelhelps.com,
> >>
> >> (2)  use the Previous and Next buttons to locate A-P School in
> >> Parkersburg,
> >>
> >> (3)  click the image,
> >>
> >> (4)  enter your e-mail address, and
> >>
> >> (5)  click Vote.
> >>
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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Tue Oct  7 17:21:59 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Greasing the front suspenion,
Message-ID: <03be01c928d3$7f6a1940$0168010a@mail2world.com>

That's what I did to add the second zerk to my a-arms. Use some grease
on the drill and tap to minimize any shavings from getting inside the
fulcrum.

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Greg Higgins [g.h.higgins at gmail.com]
>Sent: 10/6/2008 10:29:46 PM
>To: spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Greasing the front suspenion,
>
>Lester;
>
>I ended up drilling and tapping the round blanking disc on each A arm,
then
>screwed in the grease fittings. It took 10 minutes per side, and it's
an easy
>job.
>
>Greg Higgins
>63 sprite
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From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Tue Oct  7 18:49:55 2008
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:49:55 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
In-Reply-To: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
References: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <015601c928df$c84bd200$58e37600$@net>

Use them as patterns:)

Leo

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+60bugeye=cebridge.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+60bugeye=cebridge.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Mark Haynes
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:19 AM
To: spritenut at comcast.net
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening

Hey Bugeye guys,
I remember that someone (possibly Frank?) at one time had all of the
patterns
for the interior panels(or do I misremember?) of a BE. I have the original
panels for my '58, but the weather and water have made them sag. For
example,
the door sill panels (under the doors) slid down onto the floor
and then took the curved shape as they rested on the floor and the sill. The
adhesive for the panel covering is toast, but the covering is relatively OK,
so my question is this, can the fiberboard be resoaked in water and pressed
flat again, or should I just do this and try to use them as patterns for
masonite replacement?

Mark Haynes
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From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Tue Oct  7 18:56:07 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
References: <20081007.101910.29843.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <FFF65365799E462195069C7E249E531D@blackbox2>

I just finished making my set of interior panels.  Feel free to contact me for more info.
Here the short version...

I bought a 4x8 sheet of masonite.  I laid the old parts down and traced them out.
I then cut them using an assortment of different tools.  Heavy tin snips, jig saw, razor.

The vinyl is cut about 1 inch oversize.  You then coat the vinyl and the boards with contact cement.
The vinyl wants to curl once coated with cement so you have to place some small weights around the perimeter 
to keep this from happening.  Let is set up for about 10 minutes and then place them together.  

As you wrap the extra around the back (where you also put some cement)
you will have to cut notches out of the vinyl around the corners.   Any cement that gets on the good side comes off OK.

It sounds complicated but it was pretty easy.  I did it in two or three evenings after work.  I think i did a better job that the 
original factory worker did. 

I believe the properly textured vinyl (as original) is available from McGregor's in Canada.
I opted to use traditional black marine grade vinyl from the local fabric store, I figure this is something I will do again at 
some future point in time.  

Good hardware stores carry the chrome oval head phillips and dished washers used to secure the panels.
J C Whitney also has a trim screw kit with washers. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Haynes" <haynes386 at netzero.net>
To: <spritenut at comcast.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:19 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening


> Hey Bugeye guys,
> I remember that someone (possibly Frank?) at one time had all of the patterns
> for the interior panels(or do I misremember?) of a BE. I have the original
> panels for my '58, but the weather and water have made them sag. For example,
> the door sill panels (under the doors) slid down onto the floor
> and then took the curved shape as they rested on the floor and the sill. The
> adhesive for the panel covering is toast, but the covering is relatively OK,
> so my question is this, can the fiberboard be resoaked in water and pressed
> flat again, or should I just do this and try to use them as patterns for
> masonite replacement?

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Oct  7 22:03:40 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:03:40 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the classroom shot
 only one click & vote
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810071618m7d311c69obaf721cb582c35d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEJKEBAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Hey Mike,
Hit me off list, will ya?
Cheers!!
Jim
bmwwxman at gmail.com>>

Even IF the addy YOU posted "To:" for Mike (mikey at b2systems.com) ALONG with
the List is not good, it DOES mean you have "lost" the Sprite-MidgetClub
Webmaster, Jim?!?!?

THAT is the funniest thing I have seen this year!!!

THANKS for the HUGE <G>!!

Ed

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Tue Oct  7 21:27:15 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:27:15 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the classroom shot
 only one click & vote
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEJKEBAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <5272C5AE282B46B5992CEC356CF63756@midget>

> Even IF the addy YOU posted "To:" for Mike (mikey at b2systems.com) ALONG 
> with
> the List is not good, it DOES mean you have "lost" the Sprite-MidgetClub
> Webmaster, Jim?!?!?
>
> THAT is the funniest thing I have seen this year!!!
>
> THANKS for the HUGE <G>!!
>
> Ed

ED,
Perhaps you should memorize Proverbs 17:27-28 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 21:47:41 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:47:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the classroom shot
 only one click & vote
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEJKEBAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <43840a7e0810071618m7d311c69obaf721cb582c35d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEJKEBAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810072047u34b0d711ncf9f77626e854838@mail.gmail.com>

You are completely wrong, as usual. You can pull up your pants now.
Jim

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

> <<Hey Mike,
> Hit me off list, will ya?
> Cheers!!
> Jim
> bmwwxman at gmail.com>>
>
> Even IF the addy YOU posted "To:" for Mike (mikey at b2systems.com) ALONG
> with
> the List is not good, it DOES mean you have "lost" the Sprite-MidgetClub
> Webmaster, Jim?!?!?
>
> THAT is the funniest thing I have seen this year!!!
>
> THANKS for the HUGE <G>!!
>
> Ed

From bighealey at charter.net  Tue Oct  7 22:28:17 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:28:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
In-Reply-To: <FFF65365799E462195069C7E249E531D@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <6D48421B102F40B89DBD685A9139F67B@TRACY>

What did you do about foam and how about door panels?

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Dean Hedin
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:56 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening

I just finished making my set of interior panels.  Feel free to contact me
for more info.
Here the short version...

I bought a 4x8 sheet of masonite.  I laid the old parts down and traced them
out.
I then cut them using an assortment of different tools.  Heavy tin snips,
jig saw, razor.

The vinyl is cut about 1 inch oversize.  You then coat the vinyl and the
boards with contact cement.
The vinyl wants to curl once coated with cement so you have to place some
small weights around the perimeter
to keep this from happening.  Let is set up for about 10 minutes and then
place them together.

As you wrap the extra around the back (where you also put some cement)
you will have to cut notches out of the vinyl around the corners.   Any
cement that gets on the good side comes off OK.

It sounds complicated but it was pretty easy.  I did it in two or three
evenings after work.  I think i did a better job that the
original factory worker did.

I believe the properly textured vinyl (as original) is available from
McGregor's in Canada.
I opted to use traditional black marine grade vinyl from the local fabric
store, I figure this is something I will do again at
some future point in time.

Good hardware stores carry the chrome oval head phillips and dished washers
used to secure the panels.
J C Whitney also has a trim screw kit with washers.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Haynes" <haynes386 at netzero.net>
To: <spritenut at comcast.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:19 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening


> Hey Bugeye guys,
> I remember that someone (possibly Frank?) at one time had all of the
patterns
> for the interior panels(or do I misremember?) of a BE. I have the original
> panels for my '58, but the weather and water have made them sag. For
example,
> the door sill panels (under the doors) slid down onto the floor
> and then took the curved shape as they rested on the floor and the sill.
The
> adhesive for the panel covering is toast, but the covering is relatively
OK,
> so my question is this, can the fiberboard be resoaked in water and
pressed
> flat again, or should I just do this and try to use them as patterns for
> masonite replacement?
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 04:21:39 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:21:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
In-Reply-To: <145690.16960.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <205cef430810070323p7004b5ecn58a86ca0e015b470@mail.gmail.com>
	<145690.16960.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430810080321q7a249c48l63b5a70e3f718371@mail.gmail.com>

Vigil,
Thanks I am very familiar with muriatic acid good idea. But I think I better
hold off till spring. As for the post of linoleum can I put some down as a
temporary fix till next year?
Lin

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM, <uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Linda,
>
> Be sure to clean and M acid the concrete to etch it. If there is any oil or
> other contaminates the sealer will not seal the floor. I did a one car
> garage and it was a real job to get it clean. The rest of the process seems
> to go well with a medium nap roller. I just followed the
> directions. Remember to work towards a door so you have a way out....lol
>
> Vigil
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/7/08, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] concrete floor issues
> To: soavero at yahoo.com
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:23 AM
>
> Ron,
> Thanks does this need any adhesive or can it jut float?
> Lin
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > --- On Sun, 10/5/08, corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Sweet garage, are those b & w tiles
> >
> > The floor is just a roll, like a giant mousepad. It's made by
> Armstrong,
> > comes in 12' wide rolls, and is resistant to everything except hot
> tires
> > (the floor discolors brown in the shape of the tire patch, so it is a
> useful
> > tool to optimize air pressures ;-)). It's only 59 cents per square
> foot,
> > insulates nicely, and you can cut it with a scissor. I would NOT recommend
> > it for a garage that gets a lot of daily use. I use it in my trailer and
> in
> > the workshop and it's great for that. This guy has it on ebay, but for
> a lot
> > more than my local Menard's does:
> >
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=200145664828&refid=store
> >
> > Ron
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 04:32:57 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Very interesting
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F3955A9812531E13B6E7B35B8380@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F3955A9812531E13B6E7B35B8380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <205cef430810080332m4540c447jcd56cf169e6e254a@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, I have seen these before but none that just bolt on to the wheel hubs.
Very nice.
Lin

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Robert Duquette <robertduquette at sympatico.ca
> wrote:

> I thought that this was cool!
>
>
> http://www.autovip.eu/
>
> Hold over the "Mounting" menu and select 'autovip'
> ( and take a look at the other options as well )
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From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 06:35:40 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
In-Reply-To: <48E82884.6080905@comcast.net>
References: <48E82884.6080905@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W18C81AAF0E618479EC75D9C23B0@phx.gbl>

Sounds like you've been a busy boy Frank
Tho not surprising, We know you want to finish
this soon, but take care of that leg, or you'll be outta
commission for alot longer. Spending the winter watchin the
boob tube and driving yourself and Diane crazy!

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:37:56 -0400
> From: spritenut at comcast.net
>
>
> Since the blitz last weekend, I have been working on some of the heavy
> body work.
> You know the stuff that needs Taco Bell wrappers as backers and fillers ;)
> I primed the whole car today and that showed many imperfections all over
> the car.
> More dolly work along the back near the tail lamps, lots of minor dents
> and dings, and a few pimples in the bonnet.
> Nothing out of the ordinary and it is better than most of my projects
> but it will need another weeks worth of bondo and
> sanding before the filler/primer goes on and then I can start with some
> 180 grit and block sand.
> I am still hoping for a late October final paint job so we should be on
> schedule.
> Now that it's cooler at night and I can get upstairs in the garage, I
> have been glass beading and powder coating some of the smaller parts so
> they will be ready for the final assembly.
> 98% of the parts are here now and I have spoken to the guy who will
> cover the seats and will have them finished before the next
> Holy shit session where we will assemble the car.
> I have set up a side trip for who ever wants to go to the local glass
> shop where Mike will show us how to install a Bugeye windshield glass in
> the frame. This will be on a Saturday in early Nov when we assemble the
> Holy Sprite.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> ____________________

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From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 06:43:04 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:43:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Back on list
In-Reply-To: <001601c92572$c24aef00$46e0cd00$@net>
References: <001601c92572$c24aef00$46e0cd00$@net>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W249B292B98212518BF8BC0C23B0@phx.gbl>

Glad yo made it through the storm Leo
without losing too much.
About the tires,
maybe if you roll the wheel wells or get fender flares,
 they might just fit, :-)

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:11:56 -0500
> Subject: [Spridgets] Back on list
>
> Wheeehhhh!!! FINALLY got internet;0  Got through storm with no house
damage,
> BUT I did have the top of neighbors big oak tree land on my son in laws
> boat, wifes car, my truck, and front of Iriss enclosed car trailer.
> Trailer covered, wifes car covered, truck liability only, boat is son in
> laws problem.  Lots of tree damage but otherwise everything is fine.  If
> anyone e-mailed me off list please re-mail.    Hopefully I might be able to
> make up some of the trucks cost with the proceeds from two fish me and a
> partner caught after the storm.  Anyone on list have a contact for a dealer
> who buys mining equipment tires??  Have two brand new 36 x 80 x80 OTR heavy
> equipment tires mounted on Caterpillar rims.  They floated up in the bay
and
> were claimed by my partner and me under maritime salvage rights after we
> towed them to the bank and loaded them on a 40 float.  They weigh around
> 5000 lbs ea!!!!.  Still strapped to the shipping palletsJ  Hmmmmm.. do you
> think they could be adapted to a bugeye??LOL
>
>
>
> Leo
>
>
>

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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Wed Oct  8 11:06:11 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Spirolox
In-Reply-To: <BLU111-W249B292B98212518BF8BC0C23B0@phx.gbl>
References: <001601c92572$c24aef00$46e0cd00$@net>
	<BLU111-W249B292B98212518BF8BC0C23B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <26B030F4268941C28BB5BA9620E0523D@Home>

What is a Spirolox ring and how do I get it out without damaging anything? 
All I have is a ring-shaped rusty place.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct  8 11:18:11 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:18:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Spirolox
In-Reply-To: <26B030F4268941C28BB5BA9620E0523D@Home>
References: <001601c92572$c24aef00$46e0cd00$@net><BLU111-W249B292B98212518BF8BC0C23B0@phx.gbl>
	<26B030F4268941C28BB5BA9620E0523D@Home>
Message-ID: <C75E0ACED3E34B73AEC6B6235EB81258@spider>

http://www.directindustry.com/prod/smalley/spiral-retaining-ring-11812-42907
.html

 

================================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+corvallis=peoplepc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Michael Rowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:06 AM
To: spridgets list
Subject: [Spridgets] Spirolox

 

What is a Spirolox ring and how do I get it out without damaging anything? 

All I have is a ring-shaped rusty place.

 

Michael Rowe

'74 Midget

Long Island, NY

_______________________________________________

From John.Deikis at va.gov  Wed Oct  8 11:27:03 2008
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:27:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
In-Reply-To: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
References: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9404017F98@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

Like a 4-door sedan being called a "phaeton", and a drophead coupe
touted as a "roadster."  They just keep messin' with us.

BTW: browsing at Horrible Freight's junk-o-torium a couple of weeks
back, I found tubes of UK-manufactured Hylomar for a couple of bucks a
piece. Where's THAT come from??
-JohnD

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Clarici [mailto:spritenut at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:10 PM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads

Having been semi incapacitated these last few weeks due to my shooting
;) I have seen some car ads on TV.
I love the *totally redesigned* cars that look exactly like last years
models (or any other year honda)
But my favorite is the new Lincoln MKX and as they call it, em kay ex.
Not the mark ten. So did my Dad have a Lincoln em kay eye vee? I thought

it was a mark 4?
My old boss thought he had a Continental mark seven but it must have
been an em kay vee eye eye.
So is my 67 Sprite a mark 4 or an em kay eye vee?
Personally, I like Mark Ten over em kay ex.

--
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 11:58:36 2008
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:58:36 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
References: <48EAA8D7.6070804@comcast.net>
	<E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9404017F98@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
Message-ID: <2BCF759F0FB34767B8AE97FA75BB8C71@TAIRS>

Hylomar is generally considered to be a 'good name' across in the UK.  Have 
a look at:

http://www.hylomar.us/

You have a plant across on your side of the pond as well as ours over here. 
I've found it particularly good on sealing thermostat covers when they are 
getting corroded on the inside edge

Guy R Day


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deikis, John G" <John.Deikis at va.gov>
>
> BTW: browsing at Horrible Freight's junk-o-torium a couple of weeks
> back, I found tubes of UK-manufactured Hylomar for a couple of bucks a
> piece. Where's THAT come from??
> -JohnD

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Oct  8 13:29:30 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:29:30 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite update
In-Reply-To: <BLU111-W18C81AAF0E618479EC75D9C23B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEKIEBAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Spending the winter watchin the boob tube and driving yourself and Diane
crazy!>>

Brian, that is just a tad incorrect<VBEG>!!

S/B "...driving yourself CRAZIER (IF possible?!?) and Diane to the brink of
murder (Joisey, ain't it<G>?): !!

Anon

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 12:41:08 2008
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Very Nice TD and a hulk of a Bugeye
Message-ID: <37dc82d40810081141n4e05c1a1h1baa9b264f7549b6@mail.gmail.com>

>From a friend, David S.

I have some nice listings on Ebay this week, including some fun MGTD
videos... this is a car I always thought was somewhat stuffy, but have since
come to love.

Have fun watching! And I'll keep you posted as I acquire old British iron to
love and/or restore.

Bugeye parts car:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=300264238543


1952 MGTD:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=300264369790


Of course, email anytime if you would like to be removed from this mailing
list. Happy Motoring!
Best,

David Silberkleit

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct  8 14:43:11 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:43:11 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Car ads
Message-ID: <c77.356e41cd.361e755f@aol.com>

When I was a kid working Saturday mornings at a Jag XK restoration/racing  
company they used blue Hylomar.  About 20 years later I used to use  it.  More 
recently when I went to buy blue Hylomar I find it had changed  and was a 
silicone sealer that while blue and hylomar seemed to have nothing  much in common 
with the original product of my childhood.  It works  ok.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 08/10/2008 18:58:53 GMT Daylight Time,  
grday at btinternet.com writes:

Hylomar  is generally considered to be a 'good name' across in the UK.  Have 
a  look at:

http://www.hylomar.us/

You have a plant across on your  side of the pond as well as ours over here. 
I've found it particularly  good on sealing thermostat covers when they are 
getting corroded on the  inside edge

Guy R Day

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct  8 14:46:43 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:46:43 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Off topic now Re: Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the
 classroom sh
Message-ID: <be0.45477e31.361e7633@aol.com>

I always thought Proverbs Ch 21 v9 and v19 were pretty important.   Funny how 
you don't get those at a wedding.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 08/10/2008 04:27:40 GMT Daylight Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

>  Even IF the addy YOU posted "To:" for Mike (mikey at b2systems.com) ALONG  
> with
> the List is not good, it DOES mean you have "lost" the  Sprite-MidgetClub
> Webmaster, Jim?!?!?
>
> THAT is the  funniest thing I have seen this year!!!
>
> THANKS for the HUGE  <G>!!
>
> Ed

ED,
Perhaps you should memorize  Proverbs 17:27-28 

From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed Oct  8 15:13:12 2008
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:13:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Very interesting
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F3955A9812531E13B6E7B35B8380@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F3955A9812531E13B6E7B35B8380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48ED2268.2060205@snet.net>

I saw one of these demonstrated once at Carlisle a few years ago.  It 
really works.

Robert Duquette wrote:
> I thought that this was cool!
>
>
> http://www.autovip.eu/
>
> Hold over the "Mounting" menu and select 'autovip'
> ( and take a look at the other options as well )
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From mikey at b2systems.com  Wed Oct  8 15:14:19 2008
From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:14:19 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Off topic now Re: Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find
 the classroom sh
In-Reply-To: <be0.45477e31.361e7633@aol.com>
References: <be0.45477e31.361e7633@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48ED22AB.5090907@b2systems.com>

 Not sure why this came to the list...but  I am still here... and my 
email address is still valid, ok we had a disk crash last week and it 
was not valid for a day or so but I am still here.

 Like I told Jim, I am having one of those years where you wonder why 
you were born, its kind of like one of those days where you might have 
better off staying in bed but so far its the entire year.  With the 
exception of a death in the family, everything else is good or at least 
eventually ok but its been rough.  The inheritance probate thing was 
MUCH nastier than it should have been but its over, although my wifes 
brothers will never speak to her again, its over and we are moving 
forward.  Then not one but 2 cancer scares, again its all good but wow 
does that ever take the wind out of your sails while you wait for the 
biopsy results, or is it the gas out of your gas tank ? to keep it car 
related.

 I am building a 22ft.x40ft. garage and the city has kept me in 
"fighting mode" for 5+ months now with really stupid rules and then the 
economy is making me wonder about the intelligence of building my dream 
garage now, the contractors are also killing me on the house and the 
garage has not even started yet.  After that is done, we are moving and 
we have lived in the same house for 31 years so a lot of extremely 
valuable stuff is now being considered trash (as in I don't want to move 
that crap).

 I am not "lost", I know exactly where I am :)

    mike

p.s. it is true that mikey at b2systems will go away soon but not yet.

Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:
> I always thought Proverbs Ch 21 v9 and v19 were pretty important.   Funny how 
> you don't get those at a wedding.
>  
> W e s l a k e 1330
>  
> In a message dated 08/10/2008 04:27:40 GMT Daylight Time,  
> dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:
>
>   
>>  Even IF the addy YOU posted "To:" for Mike (mikey at b2systems.com) ALONG  
>> with
>> the List is not good, it DOES mean you have "lost" the  Sprite-MidgetClub
>> Webmaster, Jim?!?!?
>>
>> THAT is the  funniest thing I have seen this year!!!
>>
>> THANKS for the HUGE  <G>!!
>>
>> Ed
>>     
>
> ED,
> Perhaps you should memorize  Proverbs 17:27-28 
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From mikey at b2systems.com  Wed Oct  8 15:58:56 2008
From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:58:56 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] lets bring the list back, cats anyone :)
In-Reply-To: <48ED22AB.5090907@b2systems.com>
References: <be0.45477e31.361e7633@aol.com> <48ED22AB.5090907@b2systems.com>
Message-ID: <48ED2D20.6040302@b2systems.com>

  http://tinyurl.com/4fy3lp
 or if you prefer
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/fashion/05cats.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

 And no, I am not listed on that webpage, my 3 dogs would not tolerate it.

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Wed Oct  8 16:13:53 2008
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:13:53 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] lets bring the list back, cats anyone :)
In-Reply-To: <48ED2D20.6040302@b2systems.com>
References: <be0.45477e31.361e7633@aol.com>
	<48ED22AB.5090907@b2systems.com> <48ED2D20.6040302@b2systems.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c92993$27b20800$77161800$@com>

Then there's this...

http://tinyurl.com/4tgc26

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+wsthompson=thicko.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+wsthompson=thicko.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Mike Rambour
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:59 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] lets bring the list back, cats anyone :)

  http://tinyurl.com/4fy3lp
 or if you prefer
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/fashion/05cats.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=t
odayspaper&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

From spritenut at comcast.net  Wed Oct  8 17:17:50 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:17:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
In-Reply-To: <6D48421B102F40B89DBD685A9139F67B@TRACY>
References: <6D48421B102F40B89DBD685A9139F67B@TRACY>
Message-ID: <48ED3F9E.5020606@comcast.net>

Tracy Drummond wrote:
> What did you do about foam and how about door panels?
>
>   
Bugeyes do not have foam.
MKIIIs and on do and I use an 1/8" foam that comes with laminate flooring.
A roll of that padding does a few Sprites. 1/4" is too thick.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Wed Oct  8 17:24:32 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:24:32 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
References: <6D48421B102F40B89DBD685A9139F67B@TRACY>
Message-ID: <C28B84021F604579B36E6BAFEA2253D6@blackbox2>

I have not yet done the door panels.  What foam are you refering to?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Drummond" <bighealey at charter.net>

What did you do about foam and how about door panels?

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
Dean Hedin
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:56 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening

I just finished making my set of interior panels.  Feel free to contact me
for more info.
Here the short version...

I bought a 4x8 sheet of masonite.  I laid the old parts down and traced them
out.
I then cut them using an assortment of different tools.  Heavy tin snips,
jig saw, razor.

The vinyl is cut about 1 inch oversize.  You then coat the vinyl and the
boards with contact cement.
The vinyl wants to curl once coated with cement so you have to place some
small weights around the perimeter 
to keep this from happening.  Let is set up for about 10 minutes and then
place them together.  

As you wrap the extra around the back (where you also put some cement)
you will have to cut notches out of the vinyl around the corners.   Any
cement that gets on the good side comes off OK.

It sounds complicated but it was pretty easy.  I did it in two or three
evenings after work.  I think i did a better job that the 
original factory worker did. 

I believe the properly textured vinyl (as original) is available from
McGregor's in Canada.
I opted to use traditional black marine grade vinyl from the local fabric
store, I figure this is something I will do again at 
some future point in time.  

Good hardware stores carry the chrome oval head phillips and dished washers
used to secure the panels.
J C Whitney also has a trim screw kit with washers. 

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Wed Oct  8 17:27:42 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Nailed Femur status?
References: <6D48421B102F40B89DBD685A9139F67B@TRACY>
	<48ED3F9E.5020606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E209B0305C4645AE85FCE8B8BE47C493@blackbox2>

Frank,  How is your leg coming along?
Hope there were no complications.

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Oct  8 21:04:48 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:04:48 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Vote for Parkersburg!! find the classroom shot
 only one click & vote
In-Reply-To: <48EBD340.5090901@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEMBEBAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Just voted again Kate, sorry but still only 81%<G>!!

From davriker at nwi.net  Wed Oct  8 20:27:32 2008
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:27:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Accident update, now repair.
Message-ID: <00EBA6A8C22340AB9C0666C0292D846E@dave>

Things have been slow at the dealership body shop, so the manager has let the
staff work on my car under the table in between paying jobs.  This translates
into......  my fenders are fixed and all the parts are painted!  I spent today
begining some reassembly.  I have the front valence on, the horns, the oil
cooler.  Fixing some of the nagging issues I've ignored while I'm here anyway.
The job is coming in WAY under the insurance estimate.

Dave Riker

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 22:35:14 2008
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Accident update, now repair.
In-Reply-To: <00EBA6A8C22340AB9C0666C0292D846E@dave>
References: <00EBA6A8C22340AB9C0666C0292D846E@dave>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10810082135k18cb4253v5337aa9fc8259c41@mail.gmail.com>

Cash for 'go-fast' parts!!!

From tinydog at snet.net  Wed Oct  8 23:24:44 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:24:44 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Accident update, now repair.
In-Reply-To: <00EBA6A8C22340AB9C0666C0292D846E@dave>
Message-ID: <100920080524.13168.48ED959C0009B2F40000337022218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog sez:

No wonder why my insurance costs so much. 

 -------------- Original message from "David Riker" <davriker at nwi.net>: --------------
> The job is coming in WAY under the insurance estimate.
> 
> Dave Riker 

From bighealey at charter.net  Fri Oct 10 05:48:49 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:48:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening
In-Reply-To: <554214AB6EF8494AB0ACB70BABD4E442@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <247E74E3373345FF934CA1BF5C45F2C0@TRACY>

Dean,

Right.  Sorry I was thinking door panels on a later model.  I have my answer
already.

Thanks

Tracy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Hedin [mailto:dlh2001 at comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:46 PM
To: Tracy Drummond; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Interior Panel straightening

There is no foam between the vinyl and the board on the MKI interior panels.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Drummond" <bighealey at charter.net>


Between the vynal and the board is a thin layer of foam padding.

From cciaffone at verizon.net  Sat Oct 11 10:24:45 2008
From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:24:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] ListServ Up??
Message-ID: <48F0D34D.4000702@verizon.net>

Have had no lbc email in several days. Whassup??

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 12:28:02 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] ListServ Up??
In-Reply-To: <48F0D34D.4000702@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <737840.58573.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Same here - I thought it must have been something I did, but checked all the
settings and I was still signed on.  Maybe it's fixed now.
 - David Booker


--- On Sat, 10/11/08, chuck <cciaffone at verizon.net> wrote:

From: chuck <cciaffone at verizon.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] ListServ Up??
To: "spridget list" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 11:24 AM

Have had no lbc email in several days. Whassup??
You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com

http://www.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Oct 11 13:50:57 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:50:57 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] [Healeys] Silence
In-Reply-To: <743b1e2f0810100849m61e284cv771122fed3df3b91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNCEGHECAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Is everything still up?>>

Patton & all,

pretty sure Mark's server 'send' ability was down as ALL the Lists I am on
have been 'silent'.

Seems like he is getting it back !!

From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net  Sat Oct 11 17:02:49 2008
From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:02:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Dashboard edge clips
Message-ID: <50277.72.64.2.254.1223766169.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>

Peter and List,
I've glued vinyl to the steel dash for a bugeye and apparently the glue is
junk. If I used the clips around the edge to tighten it up all the way
around (30 of them) it would probably be OK. Can they be sourced locally.
Anyone have some?
Dick B. in NH

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sat Oct 11 19:54:00 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:54:00 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Update
Message-ID: <48F158B8.2080002@comcast.net>

The Holy Sprite is in it's 3rd coat of filler/primer which if you count 
the epoxy primer, it now is wearing 4 coats.
The 3rd coat of filler/primer has been hand blocked to reveal just a 
couple of minor boo-boos and one high spot.
They have been fixed and I should get to sanding them down tomorrow and 
maybe get the 4th and hopefully final coat of filler.primer on  it and 
block it down with 320 sand paper.
I want to spend some time detailing under the bonnet and I still have to 
sand the slightly rusty floor boards.
I hope to get to all that this coming week and also maybe Friday night 
paint the engine bay, inside of the doors, inside of the bonnet and jamb 
it out.
If the weather is good my son will squirt the outside of the car 
Saturday or Sunday.
The seats are at the upholsterer, everything else is here with the 
exception of a few minor goodies like motor mounts and what ever I might 
have forgot that we will  know as soon as it comes time to install it.
The tentative assembly dates are November 8th & 9th. Any one coming from 
a distance is welcome to stay here.
If you arrive Friday the 7th, that's OK too. If you are coming a GREAT 
distance and you book a flight or something like that
the tentative date becomes etched in stone. ;)
I see no reason why the car will not be painted and buffed out by then.
For those who left the car on the spackle bucket in my garage, it has 
not, nor will it move until we assemble it where it sits and I want to 
see it DRIVE out of my garage 9/9/08 under it's own power.
The assembly weekend will include installing the carpet (not a kit) 
installing the interior, wiring harness, dash, drive train, suspension, 
brakes, lights, and what ever else it takes to make a tub a complete car.
A head count for who's coming would be nice so my wife knows how much 
food to get.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 20:50:29 2008
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:50:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] A [second] letter from my daughter...Thank you for your
 support!
In-Reply-To: <b8f573d80810111846q103a293qa008b43e51c5f959@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8f573d80810111846q103a293qa008b43e51c5f959@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10810111950h1b1e3920k3388aa1589c3f67f@mail.gmail.com>

 Friends,

Thank all who took time to read my daughter's first letter.  I'm sure you
will find this letter emotionally up-lifting and rewarding.

Sincerely,

Herb




Dear All,

I hope things are well with you.  Please read the attached letter.

Best regards!

Chrissy

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of My 3-Day Journey.doc]

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 22:04:25 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Proud dad and a new swaybar too!
Message-ID: <672336.94175.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My 13 year old gearhead in training son dod 

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 22:32:02 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:32:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Proud dad and a new swaybar too - second try
Message-ID: <636243.5351.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My 13 year old gearhead-in-training son did the entire mounting job of the new
swaybar today.  I was showing him how to drill out a sheared-off bolt, how a
tap works (one for threads, not for beer) and explaining the physics of how a
swaybar helps keep a car flat in a curve, when he said he wanted to mount the
bar.  He proceeded to do the entire project by himself.  All I did was a final
snug-up of the various bolts and then back it down off the ramps for a test
drive. 
 
What a difference!  I'm driving a different car today than the one I've been
in for the past year.  The original swaybar on my car was apparently lost in
the same event that folded the front tie-down loops flat against the frame. 
So I've been cruising around without one all this time.  Found a used one a
few weeks ago for $10 including links, although turns out it had two left
links (Thank you Frank for trading me a right for one of the lefts). 
 
Anyway, today Kyle and I went out looking for elusive curvy bits of Long
Island roads and were truly impressed with the difference.  More than that,
I'm proud of Kyle for not only showing interest, but aptitude for LBC's! 
 
David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct 11 22:33:53 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (kk7ss at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone interested in a '60 Wolseley??
Message-ID: <48F11BC1.17690.EB0471@kk7ss.verizon.net>

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From mgraziano at austin.rr.com  Sat Oct 11 23:25:32 2008
From: mgraziano at austin.rr.com (Michael Graziano)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Shirts
Message-ID: <8467F12C53574DB390CB0BD764802325@Archimedes>

Hey everyone,

 

As some of you might know, I sold my Midget a few months back, right around
the time my 1st daughter was born.  I just couldn't continue arguing with my
wife over it.

 

Anyway, I still have 119 spridget shirts sitting in boxes upstairs, which I
need to get rid of.  It's probably been two years since I last sold any, so
a bunch of you might need a new one by now.  

 

I have 10 small, 5 medium, 27 Large, 61 extra large, 15 XXL, and 2 4XL in
White, Red, Yellow, a manly aqua, black and tan/beige.  I'm hoping a bunch
of you need XL.  Cost is $23 plus shipping.

 

The shirts can be seen and ordered on my website:

 

http://www.thehomeretreat.com/ProductPage.aspx?productid=1109

 

Again, I'm selling these at cost.  They're really nice shirts made from an
excellent material.  The spridgets logo is embroidered in color on the
front.  Some of the red and black have the OSHIT logos on the back.  If you
specifically want an OSHIT, please let me know in the comments and I'll try
to accomodate you.  First come, first served, especially in the smaller
sizes.

 

They make great x-mas presents for your favorite gearhead.  

 

Thanks everyone for some good times and great friendships.

 

Best,

 

Michael Graziano

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sun Oct 12 08:12:13 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:12:13 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone interested in a '60 Wolseley??
References: <48F11BC1.17690.EB0471@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5AD6B6E584ED48B589582514CDD2AE8A@midget>

> ... 1960 Wolseley, with Original Austin Healy engine.

What are the chances that a Wolseley EVER came with an original 
Austin-Healey engine??? 

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sun Oct 12 08:53:28 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
In-Reply-To: <C6B12C117CB847DD9D3F2B4A48D1FCA0@1705n3>
References: <gcq817+k9ad@eGroups.com> <C6B12C117CB847DD9D3F2B4A48D1FCA0@1705n3>
Message-ID: <70F6692910BA455283689DF3125E0D66@Home>

Steve Michelsen's web site mentions a rear sway bar with tube shocks.  I have not seen much discussion of sway bars for the rear.  Why?

Michael Rowe
 
__,_._,___ 

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct 12 09:04:17 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:04:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
In-Reply-To: <70F6692910BA455283689DF3125E0D66@Home>
References: <gcq817+k9ad@eGroups.com> <C6B12C117CB847DD9D3F2B4A48D1FCA0@1705n3>
	<70F6692910BA455283689DF3125E0D66@Home>
Message-ID: <781733170.20081012080417@pacifier.com>

Hello Michael,

     You do see about Panhard bars tho.!


     basically the handling charachteristic of the Spridget is to
     oversteer. that is the rear end tends to come around on ya if you
     overcook a corner. the antidote for this is to put a sway bar in
     the front ..Yeah, it's counter-intuitive. You can tighten up the
     WHOLE suspension by putting too large a bar on the front, then
     using a panahard bar at the rear to rebalance the system, OR
     choose a smaller bar at the front to achieve an initial
     balance...


     Or i could be all wet and not know anything at all about any of
     this and you should wait for one of the racers to weigh in...

         Mr. Lieb?

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
   "I can no longer see anything," said Tom delightedly.

From pboser at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 09:15:08 2008
From: pboser at yahoo.com (Peter Boser)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:15:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel pump problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1223575202.5291.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <618424.84919.qm@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, it was a nice day to drive my '59 Bugeye yesterday, but I pushed it too far and ran out of gas when I was on my way to fill up.  I put in a gallon plus, but couldn't get it to start.  I'm aware that a previous owner put an electric fuel pump in, but I only know that from the clicking I can hear when I turn on the ignition, as I've never explored looking at it.  When I put gas in and turned the key, I don't hear the familiar clicking, and it seems clear the engine isn't getting gas.  Is there something I need to do to prime the pump?  Or, as I fear, did I kill the pump by running it dry?
Thanks for any help!  It's another nice day, and we won't have many more!
Pete

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 09:26:46 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:26:46 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <bf5.44dfc361.36237136@aol.com>

I don't think much of that was correct.  Without putting down several  
thousand words it's hard to explain so I'll correct the mistakes instead.
 
Fitting an anti-sway bar at the front of the car is to reduce roll that  
leads to wheel camber change at the front of the car that is a handling  problem.  
It does not change the fact that the Spridget oversteers, rather  it corrects 
a problem at the front of the car.
 
The back of the car doesn't need an anti sway bar because the Spridget has  a 
live axle and so no matter how much the body rolls the wheels and tyres do 
not  exhibit any camber change.  Fitting an anti-sway bar on any live axle car,  
including the Spridget creates an enormous amount of oversteer.  So, unless  
you're a suspension guru and ace driver you'll want to stay away from even  
thinking about it on a live axle car.
 
A panhard rod cannot balance the front to rear suspension, rather it is  used 
to prevent lateral (side to side movement) of the rear axle to the  bodywork.
 
I don't race.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
, 
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 16:05:19 GMT Daylight Time,  
pythias at pacifier.com writes:

Hello  Michael,

You do see about Panhard bars  tho.!


basically the handling charachteristic of  the Spridget is to
oversteer. that is the rear end  tends to come around on ya if you
overcook a corner.  the antidote for this is to put a sway bar in
the front  ..Yeah, it's counter-intuitive. You can tighten up the
WHOLE suspension by putting too large a bar on the front, then
using a panahard bar at the rear to rebalance the system,  OR
choose a smaller bar at the front to achieve an  initial
balance...


Or i  could be all wet and not know anything at all about any of
this and you should wait for one of the racers to weigh  in...

Mr.  Lieb?







**************   

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 09:27:51 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:27:51 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel pump problem
Message-ID: <c04.4a721bab.36237177@aol.com>

Put in another 3 gallons and they try again.
 
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 16:17:16 GMT Daylight Time, pboser at yahoo.com  
writes:

Well, it  was a nice day to drive my '59 Bugeye yesterday, but I pushed it 
too far and  ran out of gas when I was on my way to fill up.  I put in a gallon 
plus,  but couldn't get it to start.  I'm aware that a previous owner put an  
electric fuel pump in, but I only know that from the clicking I can hear when  
I turn on the ignition, as I've never explored looking at it.  When I put  
gas in and turned the key, I don't hear the familiar clicking, and it seems  
clear the engine isn't getting gas.  Is there something I need to do to  prime 
the pump?  Or, as I fear, did I kill the pump by running it  dry?
Thanks for any help!  It's another nice day, and we won't have  many more!
Pete


 



**************   

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 09:53:10 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:53:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Proud dad and a new swaybar too - second try
In-Reply-To: <57B75C79A1B948F39852C3D39486586D@midget>
Message-ID: <508869.94044.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks David.  I just assumed that by '71 it was always there.  Either way -
it is certainly a happier little sportscar with one mounted!
 - David Booker


--- On Sun, 10/12/08, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> wrote:

From: David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Proud dad and a new swaybar too - second try
To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 9:10 AM

It is perfectly possible that your 71, like my 72, did not have that option
installed when purchased. It WAS an OPTION. If it had been "deleted"
in an
"incident", it would have taken a lot more than a tap to make it
right
again.
David L

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Booker" <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>
To: "spridget" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:32 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Proud dad and a new swaybar too - second try


> My 13 year old gearhead-in-training son did the entire mounting job of the

> new
> swaybar today.  I was showing him how to drill out a sheared-off bolt, how

> a
> tap works (one for threads, not for beer) and explaining the physics of
> how a
> swaybar helps keep a car flat in a curve, when he said he wanted to mount
> the
> bar.  He proceeded to do the entire project by himself.  All I did was a
> final
> snug-up of the various bolts and then back it down off the ramps for a
> test
> drive.
>
> What a difference!  I'm driving a different car today than the one
I've
> been
> in for the past year.  The original swaybar on my car was apparently lost
> in
> the same event that folded the front tie-down loops flat against the
> frame.
> So I've been cruising around without one all this time.  Found a used
one
> a
> few weeks ago for $10 including links, although turns out it had two left
> links (Thank you Frank for trading me a right for one of the lefts).
>
> Anyway, today Kyle and I went out looking for elusive curvy bits of Long
> Island roads and were truly impressed with the difference.  More than
> that,
> I'm proud of Kyle for not only showing interest, but aptitude for
LBC's!
>
> David Booker
> '71 Midget
> Long Island
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct 12 09:56:45 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:56:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel pump problem
In-Reply-To: <618424.84919.qm@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.9.1223575202.5291.spridgets@autox.team.net>
	<618424.84919.qm@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <82C0FD4DED2141ACB56E07D04E2094BB@spider>

The pump will click when empty and running; sounds like a jack-hammer if
dry/empty. Pump probably decided to die at the same time. Without fuel
running thru them, they can over-heat. ...bill
==========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Boser
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:15 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel pump problem

Well, it was a nice day to drive my '59 Bugeye yesterday, but I pushed it
too far and ran out of gas when I was on my way to fill up.  I put in a
gallon plus, but couldn't get it to start.  I'm aware that a previous owner
put an electric fuel pump in, but I only know that from the clicking I can
hear when I turn on the ignition, as I've never explored looking at it.
When I put gas in and turned the key, I don't hear the familiar clicking,
and it seems clear the engine isn't getting gas.  Is there something I need
to do to prime the pump?  Or, as I fear, did I kill the pump by running it
dry?
Thanks for any help!  It's another nice day, and we won't have many more!
Pete
_______________________________________________

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 12 10:52:32 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:52:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
References: <bf5.44dfc361.36237136@aol.com>
Message-ID: <32032D008FBA492A825FF0639800BBA5@Larry>

Actually, a live axle car can and does exhibit camber change at the rear 
wheels when the roll stiffness provided by the springs is inadequate.  A 
rear sway bar can be used on a live axle to adjust roll couple distribution 
where needed.

LAD



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Weslake1330 at aol.com>
To: <pythias at pacifier.com>; <mdrowe at optonline.net>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar


I don't think much of that was correct.  Without putting down several
thousand words it's hard to explain so I'll correct the mistakes instead.

Fitting an anti-sway bar at the front of the car is to reduce roll that
leads to wheel camber change at the front of the car that is a handling 
problem.
It does not change the fact that the Spridget oversteers, rather  it 
corrects
a problem at the front of the car.

The back of the car doesn't need an anti sway bar because the Spridget has 
a
live axle and so no matter how much the body rolls the wheels and tyres do
not  exhibit any camber change.  Fitting an anti-sway bar on any live axle 
car,
including the Spridget creates an enormous amount of oversteer.  So, unless
you're a suspension guru and ace driver you'll want to stay away from even
thinking about it on a live axle car.

A panhard rod cannot balance the front to rear suspension, rather it is 
used
to prevent lateral (side to side movement) of the rear axle to the 
bodywork.

I don't race.

W e s l a k e 1330
,

In a message dated 12/10/2008 16:05:19 GMT Daylight Time,
pythias at pacifier.com writes:

Hello  Michael,

You do see about Panhard bars  tho.!


basically the handling charachteristic of  the Spridget is to
oversteer. that is the rear end  tends to come around on ya if you
overcook a corner.  the antidote for this is to put a sway bar in
the front  ..Yeah, it's counter-intuitive. You can tighten up the
WHOLE suspension by putting too large a bar on the front, then
using a panahard bar at the rear to rebalance the system,  OR
choose a smaller bar at the front to achieve an  initial
balance...


Or i  could be all wet and not know anything at all about any of
this and you should wait for one of the racers to weigh  in...

Mr.  Lieb?







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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 10:52:39 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:52:39 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Update
Message-ID: <c0f.3a9771d3.36238557@aol.com>

Maybe one year I'll manage this but not this time.  I don't think I'm  very 
likely to have any of the parts you need but how about a list just in  case
 
W e s l a k e 1330  69 Sprite
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 02:53:40 GMT Daylight Time,  
spritenut at comcast.net writes:

The  tentative assembly dates are November 8th & 9th. Any one coming from 
a  distance is welcome to stay here.







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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sun Oct 12 11:41:18 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:41:18 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Proud dad and a new swaybar too - second try
References: <508869.94044.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9D8105684C9D4C43AAB24ABC33E10D61@midget>

> Thanks David.  I just assumed that by '71 it was always there.  Either 
> way -
> it is certainly a happier little sportscar with one mounted!

No argument at all. Yes, it SHOULD have been a default value from the first 
Bugeye made. It wasn't. I certainly like them better when they are there.
David Lieb 

From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net  Sun Oct 12 11:44:23 2008
From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:44:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
Message-ID: <60495.130.189.10.64.1223833463.squirrel@webmail2.nhvt.net>

I'm currently away from my bugeye project, but not far from a hardware
store so maybe someone can answer a nuts and bolts question for me.
What size nut secures the gas tank? Are there 6 of them?
Also, when putting it back in place, where does the rubber between the
tank and the trunk go?
Thanks
Dick Byrne

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sun Oct 12 12:14:37 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
References: <bf5.44dfc361.36237136@aol.com>
	<32032D008FBA492A825FF0639800BBA5@Larry>
Message-ID: <A0B8DEE98D1B4EC08B1D1254CA6CFE56@midget>

> Actually, a live axle car can and does exhibit camber change at the rear
> wheels when the roll stiffness provided by the springs is inadequate.  A
> rear sway bar can be used on a live axle to adjust roll couple 
> distribution
> where needed.

I would tend to agree with that.

>From my perspective, a Spridget does not normally need a rear sway. Bill 
Perry of Rivergate assures me that they have tried many configurations in 
the SCCA road racing world and keep coming back to a 3/4" front sway and no 
rear sway. Others tell me that you only need 11/16"  in the front. I am not 
an expert; I am a slow learner who tries different things. Right now my 
Midget has a 3/4" Winners Circle front sway and a 5/8" Addco rear sway as 
well as a Speedwell Engineering panhard bar. I also use the old Rivergate 
Nylatron front upper trunnion adjustable negative camber bushings and Spec 
Racer Ford castoff 185/60-13 race rubber on 6" Vega rims together with Peter 
Caldwell's adjustable Armstrong shocks on all four corners and a Phantom 
Grip in the diff.

The reason for this setup is that I autocross my Midget rather regularly 
head to head in the same class with the STis, S2000s, M3s, Porsches, Evos, 
etc. No, I do not "win", unless I am allowed to count things like beating 
all three Honda S2000s as a win. Any modification I want to make up to and 
including removing my radiator cap and installing it on a Ferrari are legal. 
(No, I do not know whether it would fit, nor can I afford it.) The 3/4" 
front bar helps keep the front end flat while cornering. The panhard bar 
reduces the rubbing of those 185 tires. The rear sway is adjusted VERY loose 
so that it does not affect anything until the car tries to "motorcycle". 
Without the rear sway there, a clockwise skidpad would have my Midget up on 
two wheels and I did not like that. I thought it was just my imagination 
until the corner workers were commenting on it. I did not like the handling 
with the rear sway "properly" adjusted, so I gave it about an inch of play 
and it stays out of the way until needed. It also adds this lovely little 
jingle to fill out the treble while driving down the road.

In other words, if I were intending to build a street Spridget, I would look 
for an 11/16" front sway and leave it at that. If I were building a racing 
Spridget, I would look at what the Thickos are doing and plagiarize.
David Lieb 

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Sun Oct 12 12:26:45 2008
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:26:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] PCV Valve substitution
Message-ID: <48F24165.9000601@cox.net>

Are there any inline PCV Valves that will substitute for the Smiths unit 
normall fitted?  I have a desmogged 1275, that still needs something to 
provide crankcase vacuum.  I have a Smiths valve, but the plumbing will 
be much more sanitary with an inline valve.

Thanks,
Dave Ambrose

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct 12 12:31:04 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:31:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] PCV Valve substitution
In-Reply-To: <48F24165.9000601@cox.net>
References: <48F24165.9000601@cox.net>
Message-ID: <30B7D1E5E4D442CF80CF6328B58F4E5C@spider>

I would just check at the auto parts store(s). Just have a fitted hose i.d.
in mind. I know the pvc valve off a 1967 Volvo was pretty simple. ...bill
==========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Ambrose
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:27 AM
To: Spridgets List
Subject: [Spridgets] PCV Valve substitution

Are there any inline PCV Valves that will substitute for the Smiths unit 
normally fitted?  I have a desmogged 1275, that still needs something to 
provide crankcase vacuum.  I have a Smiths valve, but the plumbing will 
be much more sanitary with an inline valve.

Thanks,
Dave Ambrose
_______________________________________________

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 12 12:59:43 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:59:43 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
In-Reply-To: <bf5.44dfc361.36237136@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C517972F.1A29B%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

Where's Cap'n Bob these days? He always claimed street Spridgets were more
fun with no roll bar.
BZ

From nases at verizon.net  Sun Oct 12 13:07:48 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:07:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Weepy fittings at MC
Message-ID: <C75D810A-5190-47BF-AD51-2ADCE19CF58F@verizon.net>

I have the brakes and clutch bled but I'm getting some silicone  
weeping at the MC pipe fittings.

Under pressure the fluid is leaking out up the pipe from the inside of  
the fitting.  I used Napa brake line for the clutch and the brake  
lines are from a good source.  Both are leaking.

Now what?

Also, should I have a copper washer between the rear hose and the  
brass union on top of the diff?  I have a small leak there too.  I  
never had to tighten the bleeder valves as much as I have this time.   
It's the first time I used silicone.  Is it more prone to leak that  
the regular fluid?

After this all I need to do is go over the wiring be sure I'm still  
all hooked up, put oil and coolant in it, set the valves and get the  
timing close and fire it.  It should be exciting.  Anyone want to come  
watch my new engine leak all over:)   It's also the first time I ever  
replaced all the engine seals so I'm expecting to be doing a lot of  
trouble shooting (mopping up).
.

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct 12 13:47:26 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
Message-ID: <D73C0B6DD7EF450BA3E183F0836505A9@spider>

Don't use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in Oregon

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Nase
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:08 PM
To: spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net
Subject: [Spridgets] Weepy fittings at MC

 

I have the brakes and clutch bled but I'm getting some silicone  

weeping at the MC pipe fittings.

 

 . . .

 

Phil Nase

Quakertown, PA

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 14:09:11 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:09:11 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <cfb.43978bd6.3623b367@aol.com>

Well I'd be interested to hear how the wheels can change camber when they  
are fixed to a live axle - other than when the roll stiffness and grip are such  
that one wheel is in the air.
 
I'd be interested then in your explanation and source for your  information.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 17:52:46 GMT Daylight Time,  
ladaniels at sbcglobal.net writes:

Actually, a live axle car can and does exhibit camber change at the  rear 
wheels when the roll stiffness provided by the springs is  inadequate.  A 
rear sway bar can be used on a live axle to adjust  roll couple distribution 
where needed.

LAD


 



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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 14:12:54 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:12:54 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Autocross Re:  Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <cd0.2d2fdeec.3623b446@aol.com>

The fact is that in autocross it's preferable to have a lot of oversteer in  
a Spridget.  The rear sway bar ensures that there is a lot of  oversteer.  
Autocrossing is just about the only branch of motorsports where  more oversteer 
than a standard car exhibits would be useful.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 19:15:08 GMT Daylight Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

The  reason for this setup is that I autocross my Midget 


 



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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 14:13:42 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:13:42 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Camber Re:  Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <c1d.4eb4bb90.3623b476@aol.com>

Well put Guy.
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 19:24:10 GMT Daylight Time,  
guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk writes:

How can  the camber angles change at the rear when it has a rigid rear axle?
I think  that a rear anti-roll bar at the rear would have a function in
limiting  body roll, and thus prevent the centre of gravity rising under
cornering,  but couldn't do anything for camber angles as they are fixed by
the back  axle. Unless your back axle / wheel bearings are in very  poor
condition!

Guy


 



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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 14:14:22 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:14:22 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Sway bar woke the list up
Message-ID: <be6.388a32fa.3623b49e@aol.com>

Well the sway bar thread woke up the list!!! 
 
W e s l a k e 1330



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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 14:16:04 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:16:04 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
Message-ID: <d58.2d41afe7.3623b504@aol.com>

I wouldn't either but I don't think it will create leaks of the types  
described.  And yes, I'd use a copper washer.
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 20:47:49 GMT Daylight Time,  
corvallis at peoplepc.com writes:

Don't  use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in  Oregon








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From millerls at ado13.com  Sun Oct 12 15:47:59 2008
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:47:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
References: <D73C0B6DD7EF450BA3E183F0836505A9@spider>
Message-ID: <B8A10F8ADFE5406AB76AA24014D779DB@HP>

> Don't use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in Oregon

BS, I've used silicone in sprites as long as I can remember. I have never 
had any problems with it.

Granted my memory is not what it once was.

Larry Miller

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 16:31:37 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:31:37 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
In-Reply-To: <60495.130.189.10.64.1223833463.squirrel@webmail2.nhvt.net>
References: <60495.130.189.10.64.1223833463.squirrel@webmail2.nhvt.net>
Message-ID: <48F27AC9.6010102@comcast.net>

lindalnhvt at nhvt.net wrote:
> I'm currently away from my bugeye project, but not far from a hardware
> store so maybe someone can answer a nuts and bolts question for me.
> What size nut secures the gas tank? Are there 6 of them?
> Also, when putting it back in place, where does the rubber between the
> tank and the trunk go?
>   
6) 5/16 x 24 nuts with split washers.
2 rubber straps (cut from an old inner tube) go on the sides, 2 rubber 
squares go on the single bolts in the back and front of the tank,


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 17:18:02 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:18:02 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
In-Reply-To: <B8A10F8ADFE5406AB76AA24014D779DB@HP>
References: <D73C0B6DD7EF450BA3E183F0836505A9@spider>
	<B8A10F8ADFE5406AB76AA24014D779DB@HP>
Message-ID: <48F285AA.3090202@comcast.net>

Larry & Sandi Miller wrote:
>> Don't use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in Oregon
>
> BS, I've used silicone in sprites as long as I can remember. I have 
> never had any problems with it.
>
I agree, I have been using silicone for over 10 years, never a problem 
except for the slave on the A40 and the slave on my 5 speed Sprite both 
of which were 10 years old when they needed replacement.
This sure beats 3-5 years with LMA.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 12 17:30:04 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:30:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar
References: <cfb.43978bd6.3623b367@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F0C6D2652C2648F0911C8000E4C7732A@Larry>

----- Original Message -----
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com
To: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net ; pythias at pacifier.com ; mdrowe at optonline.net
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar


Well I'd be interested to hear how the wheels can change camber when they are
fixed to a live axle - other than when the roll stiffness and grip are such
that one wheel is in the air.

I'd be interested then in your explanation and source for your information.

W e s l a k e 1330

======================================

Voila, Daniel, you answered your own question.  See how easy that was?


LAD

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 18:07:42 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:07:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
References: <D73C0B6DD7EF450BA3E183F0836505A9@spider><B8A10F8ADFE5406AB76AA24014D779DB@HP>
	<48F285AA.3090202@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <34D1FB190FE44DF7971E7E21D1769DAA@blackbox2>

Right, the problem is not the silicone fluid.

One possibility is that Phil has the wrong type (or poor quality) flairs on his new brake line.

Phil do the ends of your brake line look like this?

http://www.projet-tr4.org/photos/small/brake3.jpg

A corroded fitting will also cause trouble.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Clarici" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Larry & Sandi Miller" <millerls at ado13.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FW: Weepy fittings at MC


> Larry & Sandi Miller wrote:
>>> Don't use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in Oregon
>>
>> BS, I've used silicone in sprites as long as I can remember. I have 
>> never had any problems with it.
>>
> I agree, I have been using silicone for over 10 years, never a problem 
> except for the slave on the A40 and the slave on my 5 speed Sprite both 
> of which were 10 years old when they needed replacement.
> This sure beats 3-5 years with LMA.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From millerls at ado13.com  Sun Oct 12 18:28:04 2008
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:28:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
References: <D73C0B6DD7EF450BA3E183F0836505A9@spider>
	<B8A10F8ADFE5406AB76AA24014D779DB@HP>
	<E8F74AB6656D4C68B72217F2F1C9C92C@Home>
Message-ID: <8F68BBD16B6F40A489BA5830A2087F32@HP>

It does not play at all with other types. System must be flushed very very 
good. Best is with new systems.

Larry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: "Larry & Sandi Miller" <millerls at ado13.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FW: Weepy fittings at MC


>
>
>>> Don't use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in Oregon
>>
>> BS, I've used silicone in sprites as long as I can remember. I have never 
>> had any problems with it.
>
> What is supposed to be the problem with it?
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
> Long Island, NY

From pilotrob at msn.com  Sun Oct 12 18:33:29 2008
From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:33:29 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV898EA343A977D675E28E6D4360@phx.gbl>

Stiffening the rear set-up invites oversteer.

Car is an oversteering operation in stock form to begin with. 

Thus, most run a front bar only to reduce oversteer and bring on more neutral handling. 

Most racers run a 3/4 or 7/8 front bar, stock front swaybar for the street being 9/16.

CapBob

From nases at verizon.net  Sun Oct 12 19:09:56 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
In-Reply-To: <34D1FB190FE44DF7971E7E21D1769DAA@blackbox2>
References: <D73C0B6DD7EF450BA3E183F0836505A9@spider><B8A10F8ADFE5406AB76AA24014D779DB@HP>
	<48F285AA.3090202@comcast.net>
	<34D1FB190FE44DF7971E7E21D1769DAA@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <364C4A09-6ABE-4B77-9ACE-B4E60599A13C@verizon.net>

Yup.  That's the flare that's on my lines.

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/



On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Dean Hedin wrote:

> Right, the problem is not the silicone fluid.
>
> One possibility is that Phil has the wrong type (or poor quality)  
> flairs on his new brake line.
>
> Phil do the ends of your brake line look like this?
>
> http://www.projet-tr4.org/photos/small/brake3.jpg
>
> A corroded fitting will also cause trouble.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clarici" <spritenut at comcast.net 
> >
> To: "Larry & Sandi Miller" <millerls at ado13.com>
> Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FW: Weepy fittings at MC
>
>
>> Larry & Sandi Miller wrote:
>>>> Don't use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in Oregon
>>>
>>> BS, I've used silicone in sprites as long as I can remember. I  
>>> have never had any problems with it.
>>>
>> I agree, I have been using silicone for over 10 years, never a  
>> problem except for the slave on the A40 and the slave on my 5 speed  
>> Sprite both of which were 10 years old when they needed replacement.
>> This sure beats 3-5 years with LMA.
>> -- 
>> Frank Clarici
>> Toms River, NJ
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From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 19:13:34 2008
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:13:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
Message-ID: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>

Hey All,

The garage is almost finished.

Some pix are here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/R.A.Valentine/Garage#

I'm considering floor paint......  What works best?     Comments and  
suggestions are welcome.

Thanks!

Kevin

From millerls at ado13.com  Sun Oct 12 19:27:27 2008
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:27:27 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
References: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F7AA2CF85F941DBA0230F4BCDDF86A6@HP>

It will not look that way for long ;-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Valentine" <kevinv1275 at gmail.com>
To: <EasternOshitGroup at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage


> Hey All,
> 
> The garage is almost finished.
> 
> Some pix are here:
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/R.A.Valentine/Garage#
> 
> I'm considering floor paint......  What works best?     Comments and  
> suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kevin
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From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Sun Oct 12 19:44:16 2008
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081013014418.XWRI12533.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL>

Envious..

1.	your wife is a saint
2.	you don't have kids and associated toys like bikes, scooters, etc.
3.	it's way too clean, I'll send you photos of mine
4.	No beverage cooling appliance?
5. 	I hope, since you have the room that there will be at least 2 or 3
Sprites in there. 

And it looks great BTW.  Wish mine looked close to that.

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Valentine
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:14 PM
To: EasternOshitGroup at yahoogroups.com
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage

Hey All,

The garage is almost finished.

Some pix are here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/R.A.Valentine/Garage#

I'm considering floor paint......  What works best?     Comments and  
suggestions are welcome.

Thanks!

Kevin

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 20:30:46 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar Pt 2
Message-ID: <429829.66451.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Pt 2 of 2


So....swaybars....see my autobiography, "Removing Your
Rear Swaybar, or 'How I Got Faster a Few Years Ago by
Listening to Mike Gigante and dusting off my
Lagrangian Dynamics Textbooks'". The purpose of a
sway bar is completely different than the panhard's.
It's purpose is to reduce body roll by transferring
load from one side of the car to the other. So, if
load is transferred, it is reduced. If load=force
(which it does), that tire will have less downforce.
This is all very good on the front end of a Sprite
because of crappy camber response that reduces contact
patch with any body roll. At the rear, the sway bar
can create a lot of wheel lift and wheel spin (IF you
have an open diff). What works for me is a very stiff
front suspension and a loose rear, with 3/4 sway bar
up
front (7/8 was too stiff, and the car understeered too
much), 520 lb springs, and a panhard rod in the back
with soft springs and soft shocks.

It took Mike Gigante screaming at my suspension setup
and giving me dissertations like the above to get me
to really understanding it, as well as driving the car
at its limits and seeing the good and the bad up
close. If you do the suspension setup decently, know
how the car will respond to you, and drive it like you
stole it, the Porsches you beat will accuse you of
having a cheater motor, but you'll know better. On a
streetcar (I have 2 street Sprites as well, a Bugeye
and a 1/2 elliptical later car), this really isn't as
easily explored, but the theory is the same.


Ron Soave

From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 20:50:35 2008
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:50:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <20081013014418.XWRI12533.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL>
References: <20081013014418.XWRI12533.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL>
Message-ID: <3F768166-A109-48BE-8331-ACE3AF047E2F@gmail.com>

On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Chris Manuel wrote:

Chris,
>
> 1.	your wife is a saint

Yes!  She painted the interior walls and made the curtains ;)  She  
has a new walk in closet  that measures 10 x 24 feet, and Novembers  
project is her new bathroom with jacuzzi tub.

> 2.	you don't have kids and associated toys like bikes, scooters, etc.

My son is in his 30's and has a Midget of his own (which lives here  
as well).  My wife has a 74  Midget and the "winter project" is a 73  
Midget for my daughter in law.  The 2 Grand-sons live next door (same  
building) and have all sorts of wheeled machines.

> 3.	it's way too clean, I'll send you photos of mine

It won't be for long ;)

> 4.	No beverage cooling appliance?

Full size fridge in the adjoining basement room.

> 5. 	I hope, since you have the room that there will be at least 2 or 3
> Sprites in there.

It is a permanent home for my 71 Midget and the wife's 74 Midget.  I  
can get 3 Spridgets in there but only 2 if I want to get any work done.

>
> And it looks great BTW.

Thank you!!

Kevin

From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 20:59:17 2008
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:59:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>
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Regarding the virgin floor...

...remember, they don't leak, they mark their territory!

Nice, very nice.

Herb

From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Sun Oct 12 21:19:29 2008
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:19:29 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Weepy fittings at MC
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LOL....he is another list awakener:)  I wont use anything BUT silicone.
Haven't had a problem yet and hasnt corroded the hell out of my system from
sitting like the dot3 or 4 did.  Have good pedal pressure and no leaks
either..but then again Iris only has around 400 miles on her (tongue stuck
out)

Leo

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:16 PM
To: corvallis at peoplepc.com; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FW: Weepy fittings at MC

I wouldn't either but I don't think it will create leaks of the types
described.  And yes, I'd use a copper washer.

In a message dated 12/10/2008 20:47:49 GMT Daylight Time,
corvallis at peoplepc.com writes:

Don't  use silicone brake fluid!   .bill in  Oregon








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From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 21:22:04 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
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Kevin Valentine wrote:
>
>
> I'm considering floor paint......  What works best?     Comments and 
> suggestions are welcome.
>
Kevin

2 part epoxy will be great on a new floor, I wish I did it when my floor 
was new.
But then again since I paint a car or 2 a year in my garage, I just use 
gray concrete floor paint every 2 years or so and mine looks good for 
almost a whole week!
Just do NOT use those speckles that come with the epoxy floor paint. It 
may look cool but when you drop that tiny part, you will never find it 
amongst those speckles. ;)

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Sun Oct 12 21:21:58 2008
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
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Not according to the concours standards...hope, nope, nope.  <VBG>

Leo

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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:32 PM
To: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas tank ?

lindalnhvt at nhvt.net wrote:
> I'm currently away from my bugeye project, but not far from a hardware
> store so maybe someone can answer a nuts and bolts question for me.
> What size nut secures the gas tank? Are there 6 of them?
> Also, when putting it back in place, where does the rubber between the
> tank and the trunk go?
>   
6) 5/16 x 24 nuts with split washers.
2 rubber straps (cut from an old inner tube) go on the sides, 2 rubber 
squares go on the single bolts in the back and front of the tank,


-- 
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 22:26:13 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:26:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar Pt 1A
Message-ID: <466148.85174.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

2 parts were too big, so...Pt 1A; 1B to follow. Pt 2 already hit list:

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> wrote:
> Spridget, I would look
> for an 11/16" front sway and leave it at that. If I
> were building a racing
> Spridget, I would look at what the Thickos are doing and
> plagiarize.

Not geeting thru - breaking into 2:

No rear swaybar for me. Here's something I posted a long time ago in response to some genius who welded everything in sight to his rear suspension. I was in my Van Valkenburgh period. I barely understand what I wrote at anymore, so I can't defend it ;-):
-------------
The rear stability and geometry has a tremendous
effect on the handling and "steering". Your comment
about keeping the tires firmly planted is spot on, but
a lot goes into that. Think of going through a
carousel-like turn, throttle on, and you lift. The
rear end gets totally unloaded, and you spin. Things
are loading, unloading, springs are winding and
unwinding, things are bending and he car is rolling
about its polar moment. Think about going into a
turn, you don't brake at all, the front end wants to
plow because the weight is on the rear tires. If you
give a quick stab of the brakes (BEFORE YOU TURN,
please!), you put weight on the front tires, settle
the suspension, unload the rear, and point the front
where it wants to go. You can modulate the throttle to
bring the rear around and accelerate through the turn.
The geometry of the rear, including the roll center
(and there is a roll center for pretty much every body
linked by two points), will determine where the
suspension is vs. where the car wants to go (vs. where
you want to go). Your photo shows a combo
watts/panhard/anti-tramp setup with a high mounting
point. The primary role of a panhard rod is
transverse axle location, plus a little bit more in
setting the roll center. The Sprite, as you've
implied, has little to nothing to stop transverse
movement of the rear axle assembly from moving
laterally under cornering forces. We have the
additional handicap in a Sprite (not as bad with our
1/4 elliptical cars) of the leaf springs
twisting/loading and then rapidly unloading, adding to
our driving excitement along the way. The panhard
mitigates this significantly.

1B to follow

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 01:38:37 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:38:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
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Message-ID: <48F2FAFD.3010300@gmail.com>

For the floor I suggest "over spray."  That is what it is going to be
like in the end.

-g

Kevin Valentine wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> The garage is almost finished.
>
> Some pix are here:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/R.A.Valentine/Garage#
>
> I'm considering floor paint......  What works best?     Comments and
> suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kevin
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From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 13 03:47:38 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:47:38 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear sway bar Pt 1A
In-Reply-To: <466148.85174.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNGELCECAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Not geeting thru - breaking into 2:>>

Folks, as a user of the same program as Mark now has going for us, might I
suggest that youse that DO have things to post that ARE long in verbage, and
DO have to break them up to 2 - 3 (or more) posts WRITE Mark DIRECT and ask
that, at least for Healeys & Spridgets Lists (where I see it happen to
often) that he change the max MBs/message to a higher setting??

The situation doesn't occur THAT frequently that it might 'hurt' his
server's ability/capability/performance (I think<G>).

And it NEVER hurt's to ask!!

Moi

PS:  And I RARELY see the prob on the rest of the Lists I am on.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 05:22:24 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:22:24 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <ca1.4303129f.36248970@aol.com>

The front bar doesn't reduce oversteer.  It reduces front wheel camber  
change caused by front roll.  The rear oversteer is still their.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 01:33:57 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com  
writes:

Thus,  most run a front bar only to reduce oversteer and bring on more 
neutral  handling. 







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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 05:27:58 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:27:58 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
Message-ID: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>

Hi Kevin,
 
The garage is ok but really needs piles of junk like rusty spridget parts,  
old bits of wood,filings, shavings and plain simple dirt.  I guess if you  ask 
the list for some, offers of this sort of junk and crap will simply turn up  
by the truck load.  Once you get this junk and crap just scatter it around  and 
voila - your dream garage is complete.
 
Almost forgot you need to randomly hammer nails into the wall to hung up  the 
lighter junk like worn out fan belts, handbrake rods and stuff you have no  
idea of what they are but might come in useful one day.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 08:39:08 GMT Daylight Time,  wmgilroy at gmail.com 
writes:

Kevin  Valentine wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> The garage is almost  finished.







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From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 05:29:10 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:29:10 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
In-Reply-To: <ca1.4303129f.36248970@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D9D82E7E9E884C5395B45EAFDE40F67D@GuyLaptop>

I think that one consequence of the front bar reducing body roll is also to
enable the whole tub to remain flatter through the corners. Thus keeping
both the rear wheels in better contact with the road and less inclined to
lift an inside wheel and slide out at the back.

So this does have an influence on the degree of rear oversteer.

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: 13 October 2008 12:22
To: pilotrob at msn.com; midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com;
spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar


The front bar doesn't reduce oversteer.  It reduces front wheel camber
change caused by front roll.  The rear oversteer is still their.

W e s l a k e 1330


In a message dated 13/10/2008 01:33:57 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com
writes:

Thus,  most run a front bar only to reduce oversteer and bring on more
neutral  handling.







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From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 05:37:42 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:37:42 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F8466CF16C3A4505AA35555A201ACEDE@GuyLaptop>

And I thought I was the only one who stored things like frayed fan belts and
collections of used head gaskets.

I do also store new gaskets too. - You know, the ones that come in the
gasket sets but are the wrong size for your engine. I keep those too,
despite them being a size I know I will never need.

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: 13 October 2008 12:28
To: kevinv1275 at gmail.com
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage


Hi Kevin,

The garage is ok but really needs piles of junk like rusty spridget parts,
old bits of wood,filings, shavings and plain simple dirt.  I guess if you
ask
the list for some, offers of this sort of junk and crap will simply turn up
by the truck load.  Once you get this junk and crap just scatter it around
and
voila - your dream garage is complete.

Almost forgot you need to randomly hammer nails into the wall to hung up
the
lighter junk like worn out fan belts, handbrake rods and stuff you have no
idea of what they are but might come in useful one day.

W e s l a k e 1330


In a message dated 13/10/2008 08:39:08 GMT Daylight Time,
wmgilroy at gmail.com
writes:

Kevin  Valentine wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> The garage is almost  finished.







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From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Mon Oct 13 05:40:46 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:40:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>
References: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <68420978-2305-4EAE-B974-A044598ABC30@phillymgclub.com>

YOu should see the other room!!! It has all that and more.

Larry

On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> The garage is ok but really needs piles of junk like rusty spridget  
> parts,
> old bits of wood,filings, shavings and plain simple dirt.  I guess  
> if you  ask
> the list for some, offers of this sort of junk and crap will simply  
> turn up
> by the truck load.  Once you get this junk and crap just scatter it  
> around  and
> voila - your dream garage is complete.
>
> Almost forgot you need to randomly hammer nails into the wall to  
> hung up  the
> lighter junk like worn out fan belts, handbrake rods and stuff you  
> have no
> idea of what they are but might come in useful one day.
>
> W e s l a k e 1330
>
>
> In a message dated 13/10/2008 08:39:08 GMT Daylight Time,  wmgilroy at gmail.com
> writes:
>
> Kevin  Valentine wrote:
>> Hey All,
>>
>> The garage is almost  finished.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
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Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club


"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of  
arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in  
sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally  
worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Mon Oct 13 06:13:13 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:13:13 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
Message-ID: <101320081213.10691.48F33B5900074A37000029C32216566276000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net>

I have decieded to repaint my car so it all matches.  (PO's earl scheib paint job ain't cuttin it).

So it was originally OEW and is now metallic dark blue but I want to know what other colors were native.  Its a 74.

So what color do you have?
ryan

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 13 07:44:50 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:44:50 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEMKECAA.shop@justbrits.com>

TRUST me, Daniel.......

<<The garage is ok but really needs piles of junk like rusty spridget parts,
old bits of wood,filings, shavings and plain simple dirt.>>

Kevin HAS all he needs !!!  Then ADD Rob's (his son) 'stuff' and the
'garage' IS complete !!!

Right, Kevin ???	LOL

From stevenm at optonline.net  Mon Oct 13 06:46:50 2008
From: stevenm at optonline.net (Steven Michelsen)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:46:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets]  Car colors survey
Message-ID: <9FC711C2377F4EC58361F276EB8E92CE@1705n3>

Hi Ryan,

Here is what appears to be the official list of colors for '74s
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html#mk4sprite

Here is a picture of all of these colors (I think) and more...
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/

And the codes for buying those paints
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/ExamplePaintCodes.html

Good luck.  BTW, I put up some pictures from the show last Saturday
http://www.1978mgmidget.com/photos/Brits_at_the_Village_2008.html

My '78 Midget is Inca Yellow (sort of)

Steve


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net>
> To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
>
>
>>I have decieded to repaint my car so it all matches.  (PO's earl scheib 
>>paint job ain't cuttin it).
>>
>> So it was originally OEW and is now metallic dark blue but I want to know 
>> what other colors were native.  Its a 74.
>>
>> So what color do you have?
>> ryan 

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 13 07:47:47 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:47:47 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <101320081213.10691.48F33B5900074A37000029C32216566276000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEMKECAA.shop@justbrits.com>

1st Ryan, what colour is the interior????

Fer instance, although "Black Tulip" IS a great colour, it would NOT
get along well with a RED or GREEN interior !!!	<VBG>

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 13 07:15:34 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
References: <60495.130.189.10.64.1223833463.squirrel@webmail2.nhvt.net><48F27AC9.6010102@comcast.net>
	<033701c92ce2$d9d9cb10$8d8d6130$@net>
Message-ID: <C30545CC9654465E85BD4A85F926A8F9@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Not according to the concours standards...hope, nope, nope.  <VBG>

OH NO!!!! The concours police have struck. We will never be the same again.
BTW, silicone brake fluid is not original NOR period correct ;-)
Silicone is for car owners; LMA is for car drivers.
Have you migged that hole on your inner wing yet, Leo? At least paint the 
rubber plug blue.
David Lieb 

From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Mon Oct 13 07:38:20 2008
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:38:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
In-Reply-To: <C30545CC9654465E85BD4A85F926A8F9@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <60495.130.189.10.64.1223833463.squirrel@webmail2.nhvt.net><48F27AC9.6010102@comcast.net>
	<033701c92ce2$d9d9cb10$8d8d6130$@net>
	<C30545CC9654465E85BD4A85F926A8F9@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <037c01c92d38$f50e1890$df2a49b0$@net>

ROFL   Ahh but Frank gets credit because he has NOS Lucas smoke:)  LOTS of
the new cars have silicone fluid in them.  Called progress in brake fluid
technology..Come on keep up with technology...LOL

Leo

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lieb [mailto:dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:16 AM
To: Leo; Spridget List
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas tank ?

> Not according to the concours standards...hope, nope, nope.  <VBG>

OH NO!!!! The concours police have struck. We will never be the same again.
BTW, silicone brake fluid is not original NOR period correct ;-)
Silicone is for car owners; LMA is for car drivers.
Have you migged that hole on your inner wing yet, Leo? At least paint the 
rubber plug blue.
David Lieb 

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From heard at datatrontech.net  Mon Oct 13 07:47:21 2008
From: heard at datatrontech.net (Heard)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>
References: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028801c92d3a$37d7c350$1801010a@xp>

Kevin,
My .02 on the floor.  

2 part epoxy works great and I got mine from Durall.  To do it right, you
will spend more time and effort prepping the floor than actually painting
it. I did a 2 car garage attached to my house and a separate 23x40 workshop.
Both were new floors when I did it.  My floors were monolithic slabs poured
here in the shifting sands of Florida, so I had some hairline and larger
cracks to deal with.  Here is what I say:

1.  Frank is correct.  I did not use the flecks for that same reason, but I
found out what they are really for.  They cover up the cracks.  To patch the
cracks, you use either 2 part epoxy or if it is a hairline crack, you use
body putty.  Either way, no matter how much you grind it or mess with it,
you will see evidence of these cracks in the end unless you use the flecks.
My floors don't look bad at all, and I would do it the same way again
(without the flecks), but just be aware those cracks will never be invisible
unless you are a lot better at patching concrete than me or unless you use
the flecks.
2.  You will have a choice of using something called shark grip or not.
Shark grip makes the finish a little duller and provides some friction so
when it gets wet, you won't be getting hurt.  I put shark grip on my 2 car
garage but left it off the workshop.  I like both of them.  The workshop is
a lot glossier and looks really good, but I have to watch the spills a
little more.  The garage is duller but is still comfortable to walk on
barefoot and is still easy to sweep.
3.  If you go this route, you will be using an etching liguid as part of the
prep process.  You might even use a mop to spread it around like I did.
Don't leave the mop full of the etching liquid outside sitting on the
driveway.  After a few weeks, it will eat a hole in the new driveway.  Don't
ask me how I know this.
4.  You mention basements.  If you can't use a hose to rinse this stuff out
the door as you prep, I'm not sure I would do this.  The directions say to
use a shop vac.  You would never get done using a shop vac. 

Heard

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Valentine
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:14 PM
To: EasternOshitGroup at yahoogroups.com
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage

Hey All,

The garage is almost finished.

Some pix are here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/R.A.Valentine/Garage#

I'm considering floor paint......  What works best?     Comments and  
suggestions are welcome.

Thanks!

Kevin

From TMHEFFRON at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 08:17:49 2008
From: TMHEFFRON at aol.com (TMHEFFRON at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:17:49 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <d37.323bdf42.3624b28d@aol.com>

OK - I'll wade in to  this mess... 
Sway bars obviously  reduce body roll by coupling the suspension on the left 
side of the car to the  suspension on the left.  By design the sway bars 
reduce the degrees  of body roll by increasing roll resistance without increasing 
spring  rate.  In a race car you want to see about 1 to 3 degrees (radials 
differ  from bias plys) negative camber for maximum traction. Reducing roll  
resistance will reduce traction losses due to camber change (the heavily  loaded 
outside front tire will go positive as the body rolls).    
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From TMHEFFRON at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 08:18:37 2008
From: TMHEFFRON at aol.com (TMHEFFRON at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:18:37 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <bd3.30b58fef.3624b2bd@aol.com>

The other important  function of sway bars is to tune to front and rear roll
stiff nesses to affect  the degree the roll couple is take at the front of the
car versus the  rear.  If you have more roll stiffness at the rear (depending
on the car  this may mean running a rear bar of just running a light bar in
front) most  of the resistance to roll of the car will be taken at the rear.
This  will more heavily load the rear tires and will tend to make the car
oversteer,  which is defined as the condition in which the passenger is
terrified.
The  rear will want to slide first.
If you run a very  stiff front bar most of the roll resistance to roll of the
car will be taken at  the front.  This will more heavily load the front tires
and will tend to  make the car understeer, which is defined as the condition
in which the driver  is terrified.  The front tires will want to plow straight
on ahead  toward guard rails and barrier walls - regardless of how tight the
driver grips  the steering wheel and seat upholstery.
By  selecting the right combination, the handling of the car can be tailored
to the  driverbs particular style or to the needs of a particular  track
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From TMHEFFRON at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 08:19:15 2008
From: TMHEFFRON at aol.com (TMHEFFRON at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:19:15 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <c60.2e369ae5.3624b2e3@aol.com>

Stock Sprites already have a pretty stiff rear end because the stiff leaf
springs provide a lot of roll resistance in comparison to the softer front
springs.  In stock form with no  front bar (my b66 for instance) they will
get
pretty tail-happy.  The front bar tames that a  bit.
Panhard rods and watts linkages help to locate the rear  axle, which
decreases the amount the rear end wants to steer the car in various
directions by
helping the generally floppy (as locating devices) rear leaf  springs.  The
leaf
springs are  pretty good in a fore aft direction, but bad in side to side.
The panhard or watts greatly improve  side to side location.  This makes  to
car
much more predictable in cornering, particularly in the transitions of
turn-in and corner exit.
My two cents -  Tutone
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct 13 08:55:05 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEMKECAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>
	<CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEMKECAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP24BA558E8B9F99FBA17E95B8360@phx.gbl>

Try not to end up like this:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/the_garage.gif


-----Original Message-----

TRUST me, Daniel.......

<<The garage is ok but really needs piles of junk like rusty spridget parts,
old bits of wood,filings, shavings and plain simple dirt.>>

Kevin HAS all he needs !!!  Then ADD Rob's (his son) 'stuff' and the
'garage' IS complete !!!

Right, Kevin ???	LOL

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 09:33:47 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:33:47 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
Message-ID: <c10.47e423f3.3624c45b@aol.com>

Acqua turqoiuse is a rare colour for a Spridget - I've only seen 2 in that  
colour, both wire wheel cars.  So if you want to stand out from the  crowd?
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 13:47:13 GMT Daylight Time,  
stevenm at optonline.net writes:

Hi  Ryan,

Here is what appears to be the official list of colors for  '74s
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html#mk4s
prite

Here  is a picture of all of these colors (I think) and  more...
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/

And the codes for buying  those  paints
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/ExamplePaintCodes.ht
ml

Good  luck.  BTW, I put up some pictures from the show last  Saturday
http://www.1978mgmidget.com/photos/Brits_at_the_Village_2008.html

My  '78 Midget is Inca Yellow (sort of)

Steve


 



**************   

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 09:35:07 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:35:07 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
Message-ID: <c35.461a395b.3624c4ab@aol.com>

WOW - I'm agreeing with David (2nd time this year)!  Well said!
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 14:16:15 GMT Daylight Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

Silicone  is for car owners; LMA is for car drivers.







**************   

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 09:36:57 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:36:57 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
Message-ID: <d5d.249236e6.3624c519@aol.com>

AFAIK no new production car uses Silicone brake fluid DOT 5.0 (not to be  
confused with synthetic brake fluid which is still DOT 5.1).
 
So what ones do you know of?
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 14:38:42 GMT Daylight Time,  
60bugeye at cebridge.net writes:

LOTS  of
the new cars have silicone fluid in them. 


 



**************   

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 09:43:49 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:43:49 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <d35.3b16504e.3624c6b5@aol.com>

All sounds ok for the front of the car.  On a live axle car it's not  
possible to have static negative camber at the rear.
 
When reading up suspension in most books, especially the new ones you have  
to consider how the live axle works.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 15:18:17 GMT Daylight Time, TMHEFFRON at aol.com  
writes:

OK -  I'll wade in to  this mess... 
Sway bars obviously  reduce body  roll by coupling the suspension on the left 
side of the car to the   suspension on the left.  By design the sway bars 
reduce the  degrees  of body roll by increasing roll resistance without 
increasing  
spring  rate.  In a race car you want to see about 1 to 3  degrees (radials 
differ  from bias plys) negative camber for maximum  traction. Reducing roll  
resistance will reduce traction losses due  to camber change (the heavily  
loaded 
outside front tire will go  positive as the body rolls).    


 



**************   

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 09:44:06 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <101320081213.10691.48F33B5900074A37000029C32216566276000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net>
References: <101320081213.10691.48F33B5900074A37000029C32216566276000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48F36CC6.9040704@gmail.com>

Go to the jobber and select a color you like.  I tried to keep mine
close to the original color, but I had a lady at the paint shop help me
match a color by eye. 

-g


ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote:
> I have decieded to repaint my car so it all matches.  (PO's earl scheib paint job ain't cuttin it).
>
> So it was originally OEW and is now metallic dark blue but I want to know what other colors were native.  Its a 74.
>
> So what color do you have?
> ryan
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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 09:49:35 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:49:35 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <c0f.3aaffdae.3624c80f@aol.com>

On the Spridget the roll stiffness needs to be considered in conjuction  with 
a live axle.  If the rear body rolls at the rear (and it will) both  rear 
wheels stay upright.  On a car with independant suspension if the rear  body 
rolls the rear wheels no longer stay upright but experience a change of  camber.
 
On the Spridget the rear wants to slide first.
 
Yes, it's possible to get the front to understeer by going too stiff on the  
front sway bar.
 
HOWEVER, you can still provoke an understeering Spridget into oversteer on  
the entry to a corner by a large throttle input.  Precisely what happens  
depends on the type of diff the car has, how much throttle and stuff.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 15:19:27 GMT Daylight Time, TMHEFFRON at aol.com  
writes:

The  other important  function of sway bars is to tune to front and rear  roll
stiff nesses to affect  the degree the roll couple is take at the  front of 
the
car versus the  rear.  If you have more roll  stiffness at the rear (depending
on the car  this may mean running a  rear bar of just running a light bar in
front) most  of the resistance  to roll of the car will be taken at the rear.
This  will more heavily  load the rear tires and will tend to make the car
oversteer,  which is  defined as the condition in which the passenger is
terrified.
The   rear will want to slide first.
If you run a very  stiff front bar most  of the roll resistance to roll of the
car will be taken at  the  front.  This will more heavily load the front tires
and will tend  to  make the car understeer, which is defined as the condition
in  which the driver  is terrified.  The front tires will want to plow  
straight
on ahead  toward guard rails and barrier walls - regardless  of how tight the
driver grips  the steering wheel and seat  upholstery.


 



**************   

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 09:51:47 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:47 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <c3d.44136376.3624c893@aol.com>

That all sounds ok.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 15:20:03 GMT Daylight Time, TMHEFFRON at aol.com  
writes:

Stock  Sprites already have a pretty stiff rear end because the stiff leaf
springs  provide a lot of roll resistance in comparison to the softer  front
springs.  In stock form with no  front bar (my b66 for  instance) they will
get
pretty tail-happy.  The front bar tames  that a  bit.
Panhard rods and watts linkages help to locate the  rear  axle, which
decreases the amount the rear end wants to steer the  car in various
directions by
helping the generally floppy (as locating  devices) rear leaf  springs.  The
leaf
springs are   pretty good in a fore aft direction, but bad in side to side.
The panhard  or watts greatly improve  side to side location.  This makes   to
car
much more predictable in cornering, particularly in the  transitions of
turn-in and corner exit.


 



**************   

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Mon Oct 13 09:55:57 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:55:57 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C518BD9D.1A2CB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

If my garage was that clean and organized, I'd put the couch and TV in there
and move my power tools to the living room.

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 10:24:03 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <48F36CC6.9040704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <171242.92416.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My '71 is OEW (according to Frank it is technically a 1962 Ford Falcon white),
but looks to have originally been a dark blue.  At least that's the color up
under the dash.
 - David Booker
Long Island

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, William M. Gilroy <wmgilroy at gmail.com> wrote:

From: William M. Gilroy <wmgilroy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
To: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:44 AM

Go to the jobber and select a color you like.  I tried to keep mine
close to the original color, but I had a lady at the paint shop help me
match a color by eye.

-g


ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote:
> I have decieded to repaint my car so it all matches.  (PO's earl
scheib paint job ain't cuttin it).
>
> So it was originally OEW and is now metallic dark blue but I want to know
what other colors were native.  Its a 74.
>
> So what color do you have?
> ryan
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 10:30:33 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
In-Reply-To: <D9D82E7E9E884C5395B45EAFDE40F67D@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <306567.4134.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just mounted my front swaybar this weekend (actually my 13-year old son who
I'm very proud of did it, but I've already covered that...) and can say that
the result sure feels like it has added some gegree of oversteer.  The end
result is a far better feel - much more like what I've been looking for.  Did
I mention I'm proud of my son?
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Guy Weller <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

From: Guy Weller <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
To: Weslake1330 at aol.com, pilotrob at msn.com, midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com,
spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:29 AM

I think that one consequence of the front bar reducing body roll is also to
enable the whole tub to remain flatter through the corners. Thus keeping
both the rear wheels in better contact with the road and less inclined to
lift an inside wheel and slide out at the back.

So this does have an influence on the degree of rear oversteer.

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: 13 October 2008 12:22
To: pilotrob at msn.com; midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com;
spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar


The front bar doesn't reduce oversteer.  It reduces front wheel camber
change caused by front roll.  The rear oversteer is still their.

W e s l a k e 1330


In a message dated 13/10/2008 01:33:57 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com
writes:

Thus,  most run a front bar only to reduce oversteer and bring on more
neutral  handling.







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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 10:55:36 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:55:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <c10.47e423f3.3624c45b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <535074.52282.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you're going for unique - How about that ultra rare pink color that Linda
has on hers?
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Weslake1330 at aol.com <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:

From: Weslake1330 at aol.com <Weslake1330 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:33 AM

Acqua turqoiuse is a rare colour for a Spridget - I've only seen 2 in that
colour, both wire wheel cars.  So if you want to stand out from the  crowd?

W e s l a k e 1330

In a message dated 13/10/2008 13:47:13 GMT Daylight Time,
stevenm at optonline.net writes:

Hi  Ryan,

Here is what appears to be the official list of colors for  '74s
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html#mk4
s
prite

Here  is a picture of all of these colors (I think) and  more...
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/

And the codes for buying  those  paints
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/ExamplePaintCodes.h
t
ml

Good  luck.  BTW, I put up some pictures from the show last  Saturday
http://www.1978mgmidget.com/photos/Brits_at_the_Village_2008.html

My  '78 Midget is Inca Yellow (sort of)

Steve






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From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 11:03:06 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <C518BD9D.1A2CB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <551633.18713.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> wrote:
> If my garage was that clean and organized, I'd put the
> couch and TV in there
> and move my power tools to the living room.

I have an enormous pair of Klipsch La Scala speakers for my garage stereo. It IS my living room.

Ron

From mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu  Mon Oct 13 11:10:20 2008
From: mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu (Mark A. O'Neil)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:10:20 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
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i prefer (and mine is) rattle-can rustOleum - flat black.

i guess that tips my hand to the level of 'restoration' i am after, eh?

-m

From cciaffone at verizon.net  Mon Oct 13 11:35:24 2008
From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:35:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <c10.47e423f3.3624c45b@aol.com>
References: <c10.47e423f3.3624c45b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48F386DC.2000104@verizon.net>

My '72 came in something like that. A really awful
bluish color - kinda like a Barbie car. Not sure what it
was called originally, but I would not wish it on anyone.
Mine is now white -- just plain white.

Mind you, I had a 57 chevy back i the day that was Tourquise,
and that was a bee-yootiful car!

chuck

Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:
> Acqua turqoiuse is a rare colour for a Spridget - I've only seen 2 in that  
> colour, both wire wheel cars.  So if you want to stand out from the  crowd?

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Mon Oct 13 12:40:25 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:40:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
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My '76 left the factory Parisian Blue, was painted red when I bought it, I
repainted it Parisian Blue before selling it, it was then painted with
Yellow racing stripes, then painted British Racing Green before I bought it
back.

I am thinking that the third time will be the charm, and may go back to
Parisian Blue.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:13 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey

I have decieded to repaint my car so it all matches.  (PO's earl scheib
paint job ain't cuttin it).

So it was originally OEW and is now metallic dark blue but I want to know
what other colors were native.  Its a 74.

So what color do you have?
ryan
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From kgb at frontiernet.net  Mon Oct 13 12:43:34 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:43:34 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <48F386DC.2000104@verizon.net>
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My '72 was a perfectly ghastly shade of orange.  I found a paint shop 
about 4 blocks from the dealer and told them to fix it.  it's supposed 
to be Damson, but is off by several shades. At least it's no longer orange.

Kate

From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 12:59:00 2008
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:59:00 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <68420978-2305-4EAE-B974-A044598ABC30@phillymgclub.com>
References: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>
	<68420978-2305-4EAE-B974-A044598ABC30@phillymgclub.com>
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On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:40 AM, Larry Macy wrote:

> YOu should see the other room!!! It has all that and more.


> On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Ed's Shop wrote:
>> TRUST me, Daniel.......
>>
>> <<The garage is ok but really needs piles of junk like rusty  
>> spridget parts,
>> old bits of wood,filings, shavings and plain simple dirt.>>
>>
>> Kevin HAS all he needs !!!  Then ADD Rob's (his son) 'stuff' and the
>> 'garage' IS complete !!!
>>


Larry and Ed are correct;

A small explanation is necessary here.......

The Garage is only 1/3 of the space I have "dedicated" to Spridgets.   
The other area is packed full of what Daniel described.  It's not  
nearly as organized as the garage/shop area.

I have been promising myself (for many years) to build an organized  
shop, a place for my tools to live peacefully and be READILY  
available for the various projects they are called upon to do.  A  
place where only the parts being installed will briefly reside until  
put in their proper place.

The "storage area" is 24x75 feet and it's full......  It also houses  
the dip tanks and blast cabinet.

Kevin

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Mon Oct 13 13:07:43 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:07:43 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <228BE540-8B94-401C-B7A4-4B42A33F590F@gmail.com>
References: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>,
	<68420978-2305-4EAE-B974-A044598ABC30@phillymgclub.com>,
	<228BE540-8B94-401C-B7A4-4B42A33F590F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F33A0F.9189.944BD@kk7ss.verizon.net>

My Sprite, a parts washer and a 40# bag of dog food fill my small 1950 
garage...
So the spare parts are in the kitchen, living room and under ther bed...

One day I'll buy a different house only with a two car garage and only one 
bedroom.................

Yeah!!...  Right !!....

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From abcoz at hky.com  Mon Oct 13 13:41:24 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:41:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <101320081213.10691.48F33B5900074A37000029C32216566276000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <006401c92d6b$ad61fb00$6501a8c0@DOSBOURNE.hky.com>

Two of my favorite colors, from the '74 model year, are Teal Blue and
Aconite, which is best described as royal purple (it looks enormously
better than it sounds.  While Teal is pretty common, both on Bs and
Midgets; Aconite seems to be pretty rare on Bs and extremely rare on
Midgets.  In fact, I've only seen one '74 Midget with Aconite as the
original color (purchased new by a friend of mine).
My '72 Midget is Tartan Red (original color).  My '73 Midget restoration
project is Glacier White (original color, and I can take it or leave
it), my '74 B-GT is Aconite.
Bud Osbourne

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:13 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey

I have decieded to repaint my car so it all matches.  (PO's earl scheib
paint job ain't cuttin it).

So it was originally OEW and is now metallic dark blue but I want to
know what other colors were native.  Its a 74.

So what color do you have?
ryan

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 13:46:40 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:46:40 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
Message-ID: <cd8.3b27f53e.3624ffa0@aol.com>

I have a big one car garage for my Sprite, 3 engines, a couple of diffs,  
several gearboxes and stuff (fan belts on hooks on the wall, spare  gaskets).
 
In my wardrobe I have some NOS parts including a diff carrier, a couple of  
distributors.  Also some new parts like a spare Weber DCOE.
 
I hope to get a house with a 2 or 3 car garage one day but realistically  
unless my daughters make a fortune and share it with Dad, it isn't going to  
happen.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 20:08:52 GMT Daylight Time, kk7ss at verizon.net  
writes:

My  Sprite, a parts washer and a 40# bag of dog food fill my small 1950  
garage...
So the spare parts are in the kitchen, living room and under  ther bed...

One day I'll buy a different house only with a two car  garage and only one 
bedroom.................

Yeah!!...  Right  !!....

--
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From kgb at frontiernet.net  Mon Oct 13 14:04:10 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:04:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <cd8.3b27f53e.3624ffa0@aol.com>
References: <cd8.3b27f53e.3624ffa0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48F3A9BA.5080809@frontiernet.net>

Trust me.  It doesn't work.  I have a two car garage, a metal storage 
shed, a small shop, and a four bedroom house.  They're all full.  
Granted, much of it will go away when I get the rest of my late 
husband's things off to the thrift shop, but I'm a collector too, so I 
don't think it will be much better.

Kate
>
> One day I'll buy a different house only with a two car  garage and only one 
> bedroom.................
>
> Yeah!!...  Right  !!....
>
> --
> Dave G.   KK7SS

From mikey at b2systems.com  Mon Oct 13 15:43:13 2008
From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <48F33A0F.9189.944BD@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>,
	<68420978-2305-4EAE-B974-A044598ABC30@phillymgclub.com>,
	<228BE540-8B94-401C-B7A4-4B42A33F590F@gmail.com>
	<48F33A0F.9189.944BD@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48F3C0F1.5030802@b2systems.com>

 Forget it, you can't have a 2 car garage with only 1 bedroom, that 
would be against city rules, it has to be right?

 I am building my garage now (half of it is built, the other half in 3 
weeks) and its been one nightmare after the other to get past the city's 
ridiculous rules.

   Mike

  http://www.rambour.com/garage/

Dave G. wrote:
> One day I'll buy a different house only with a two car garage and only one 
> bedroom.................
>
> Yeah!!...  Right !!....


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From dmeadow at juno.com  Mon Oct 13 16:09:53 2008
From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:09:53 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
Message-ID: <20081013.170953.3132.0.dmeadow@juno.com>

Wow!  What a pain just to build a garage!  Now I know why they call it
the People's Republic of California!

All I had to do here to create a 1400 square foot garage was to get HOA
approval to expand the existing 3 car garage to the back.   Looks the
same from the street as it did before.

Then again, HOA's are sometimes National Socialists and lack of city
controls means there are trailer homes nearby...

David
 
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:43:13 -0700 Mike Rambour <mikey at b2systems.com>
writes:
>  Forget it, you can't have a 2 car garage with only 1 bedroom, that 
> would be against city rules, it has to be right?
> 
>  I am building my garage now (half of it is built, the other half in 
> 3 
> weeks) and its been one nightmare after the other to get past the 
> city's 
> ridiculous rules.
> 
>    Mike
> 
>   http://www.rambour.com/garage/
> 
> Dave G. wrote:
> > One day I'll buy a different house only with a two car garage and 
> only one 
> > bedroom.................
> >
> > Yeah!!...  Right !!....
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mike Rambour
> Bug Writer err...Programmer
>       mikey at b2systems.com
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From pilotrob at msn.com  Mon Oct 13 16:48:35 2008
From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:48:35 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV6CB8931CE011B5A42F0A1D4360@phx.gbl>

I must respectfully disagree. :(

My personal experience with no front bar, then 9/16 and finally 3/4 bar with same tires backs up Guy's post on the matter.

Perhaps it would be better to say the addition of a front bar or "stronger" front
bar induces understeer!! :) 

CapBob


-----Original Message-----
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:22 AM
To: pilotrob at msn.com, midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com, spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar

 
The front bar doesn't reduce oversteer.  It reduces front wheel camber  
change caused by front roll.  The rear oversteer is still their.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 01:33:57 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com  
writes:

Thus,  most run a front bar only to reduce oversteer and bring on more 
neutral  handling. 







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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Mon Oct 13 18:15:24 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:15:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-DAV6CB8931CE011B5A42F0A1D4360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY116-DAV6CB8931CE011B5A42F0A1D4360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <34E2DA6F9720450FA06B62291719C38C@Home>

Racers.  How do you wire your kill switches?

I was told (rather forcefully, and why haven't you done it yet?) that it 
must be on the battery ground cable which, of course, is not enough.  The 
wiring diagram makes it clear that the alternater must be included.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 13 18:22:57 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:22:57 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
References: <535074.52282.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2AAAFE91786F464AB47E25A16EF1B04E@midget>

> If you're going for unique - How about that ultra rare pink color that 
> Linda
> has on hers?

Good point! I think that a Deep Pink car that was originally some other 
colour would be likely to be the most unique of all Spridgets. Certainly 
less common than Deep Pink Spridgets that had been repainted some other 
colour!

Just remember, folks, a "rare colour" just means that no one liked it when 
the car was new, either.
David Lieb 

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:14:18 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] [Healeys] Silence
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNCEGHECAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <743b1e2f0810100849m61e284cv771122fed3df3b91@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNCEGHECAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <205cef430810131814q7114c60cn87066565b46fa466@mail.gmail.com>

I got it, it must be up.
Lin

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

> <<Is everything still up?>>
>
> Patton & all,
>
> pretty sure Mark's server 'send' ability was down as ALL the Lists I am on
> have been 'silent'.
>
> Seems like he is getting it back !!
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:27:03 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:27:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <2AAAFE91786F464AB47E25A16EF1B04E@midget>
References: <535074.52282.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2AAAFE91786F464AB47E25A16EF1B04E@midget>
Message-ID: <205cef430810131827i2b2f94e6ta3dbf793b72ca700@mail.gmail.com>

Actually I like Jay Fishbein's Corvette pink sprite. The deep pink is not as
nice and the corvette pink although I could be wrong because Anita's deep
pink sprite looks very nice (a picture of Anita's Sprite is on the last
image on my website).  Hey Jay your site is down do you have a new one? I
also love the Aqua turquoise color, does anyone have a pict of that?
Linda
www.freewebs.com/lgrunthaner

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> If you're going for unique - How about that ultra rare pink color that
>> Linda
>> has on hers?
>>
>
> Good point! I think that a Deep Pink car that was originally some other
> colour would be likely to be the most unique of all Spridgets. Certainly
> less common than Deep Pink Spridgets that had been repainted some other
> colour!
>
> Just remember, folks, a "rare colour" just means that no one liked it when
> the car was new, either.
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From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:46:50 2008
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:46:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <228BE540-8B94-401C-B7A4-4B42A33F590F@gmail.com>
References: <ca9.37ab0c29.36248abe@aol.com>
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	<228BE540-8B94-401C-B7A4-4B42A33F590F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6A05EE9-F977-41CF-9693-0CE0972A1CA0@gmail.com>

> On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:40 AM, Larry Macy wrote:
>
>> YOu should see the other room!!! It has all that and more.
>
>
>> On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Ed's Shop wrote:
>>> TRUST me, Daniel.......
>>>
>>> <<The garage is ok but really needs piles of junk like rusty  
>>> spridget parts,
>>> old bits of wood,filings, shavings and plain simple dirt.>>
>>>
>>> Kevin HAS all he needs !!!  Then ADD Rob's (his son) 'stuff' and the
>>> 'garage' IS complete !!!
>>>



Larry and Ed are correct;

A small explanation is necessary here.......

The Garage is only 1/3 of the space I have "dedicated" to Spridgets.   
The other area is packed full of what Daniel described.  It's not  
nearly as organized as the garage/shop area.

I have been promising myself (for many years) to build an organized  
shop, a place for my tools to live peacefully and be READILY  
available for the various projects they are called upon to do.  A  
place where only the parts being installed will briefly reside until  
put in their proper place.

The "storage area" is 24x75 feet and it's full......  It also houses  
the dip tanks and blast cabinet.

Kevin

From dmeadow at juno.com  Mon Oct 13 20:27:41 2008
From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <20081013.212742.2960.0.dmeadow@juno.com>

I've got no alternator, but cars that do cannot pass Tech (in our racing
org) unless the kill switch is wired to kill the alternator, as well. 
There are different kinds of kill switches available for the two
different setups.

David Littlefield
 
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:15:24 -0400 Michael Rowe <mdrowe at optonline.net>
writes:
> Racers.  How do you wire your kill switches?
> 
> I was told (rather forcefully, and why haven't you done it yet?) 
> that it 
> must be on the battery ground cable which, of course, is not enough. 
>  The 
> wiring diagram makes it clear that the alternater must be included.
> 
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
> Long Island, NY 
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From kevinv1275 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 20:35:41 2008
From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:35:41 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
In-Reply-To: <0F7AA2CF85F941DBA0230F4BCDDF86A6@HP>
References: <2715A0FE-B129-4BA6-B8E9-2EF7CFE4EE9D@gmail.com>
	<0F7AA2CF85F941DBA0230F4BCDDF86A6@HP>
Message-ID: <104B4137-4A2F-43B3-8C10-8682FDE41FDE@gmail.com>

On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Larry & Sandi Miller wrote:

> It will not look that way for long ;-)



You're right, Larry.

If it does, then I'm not playing with my toys enough ;)

Kevin

From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 22:22:35 2008
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:22:35 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Front Bar
Message-ID: <37dc82d40810132122r8a2476dn9851315e64e70885@mail.gmail.com>

I have the small diameter and all I know is that I like it.  Kirk

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 14 10:47:22 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:47:22 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite] Rear sway bar
Message-ID: <cdf.3bce022c.3626271a@aol.com>

Hi Cap'n,
 
You don't appear to have disagreed at all.  You've simply added, quite  
correct, information that you can get understeer if the front gets stiffened up  
enough.  I'd add, that the oversteer is still there.  What you have to  consider 
is the SPEED at which these effects occur.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 23:48:44 GMT Daylight Time, pilotrob at msn.com  
writes:

I must respectfully disagree.  :(

My personal experience with no front bar, then 9/16 and finally 3/4  bar with 
same tires backs up Guy's post on the matter.

Perhaps it would  be better to say the addition of a front bar or "stronger" 
front
bar  induces understeer!! :) 

CapBob
 
____________________________________
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:22  AM
To: pilotrob at msn.com, midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com,  spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [midgetsprite]  Rear sway bar

 
 
The front bar doesn't reduce oversteer.  It reduces front wheel  camber 
change caused by front roll.  The rear oversteer is still  their.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
 
In a message dated 13/10/2008 01:33:57 GMT Daylight Time,  pilotrob at msn.com 
writes:

Thus,  most run a front bar only to reduce oversteer and bring on more 
neutral  handling. 












**************   

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 14 10:53:03 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:53:03 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <d31.3f2d4bb4.3626286f@aol.com>

As a licensed scrutineer in the UK I don't care how the kill switch is  wired 
up.  All that matters to me is that with the engine running with  about 2000 
rpm on the tacho, when the switch is thrown, the engine cuts out and  stops 
and every thing electrical like fuel pumps and lights also stop/go  out.
 
My experience is that the kill switch is always wired through the live  
because there isn't another way of wiring the alternator or dynamo through the  
switch.  If the alternator or dynamo isn't wired through the kill switch  the 
engine carries on running with the switch thrown and the driver gets to take  the 
car away, get it fixed and bring it back.  They don't even practice  till 
it's working correctly.
 
Either US rules are different or the person telling you forcibly is less  
clever than they suppose.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 14/10/2008 01:16:04 GMT Daylight Time,  
mdrowe at optonline.net writes:

Racers.  How do you wire your kill switches?

I was told  (rather forcefully, and why haven't you done it yet?) that it 
must be on  the battery ground cable which, of course, is not enough.  The 
wiring  diagram makes it clear that the alternater must be included.

Michael  Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 


 



**************   

From cfchrist at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 14 12:13:05 2008
From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:13:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Spridgets] Garage
Message-ID: <23427975.1224007986189.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

kevin?
why have you not stpooed by in orwigsburg?
i still do not have all my shop equiptment here but i have physically moved myself here.   been driving the bugeye and the '67 saab to save fuel as my '94 GMC suburban 4X4 is an absolute gas hog!  
i still have 3 cars to move too!  too many parts cars here now and must clean up my "messes" here prior to those coming here.   
hope all's well with family.
for a change frank's "gimpy" not me! LOL!! ;)

chuck. 

-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin Valentine <kevinv1275 at gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 13, 2008 9:46 PM
>To: Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Garage
>
>> On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:40 AM, Larry Macy wrote:
>>
>>> YOu should see the other room!!! It has all that and more.

From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 16:35:58 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <d31.3f2d4bb4.3626286f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <868413.83471.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Weslake1330 at aol.com <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:
> Either US rules are different or the person telling you
> forcibly is less  
> clever than they suppose.

They are the same. I had a "non alternator" kill switch and didn't realize it until I added an alternator and the switch didn't kill anything. I tried diodes and other stupid human tricks before I learned that I had the wrong type of switch. I don't remember the wiring, but I got a proper switch, wired per the diagram and it works properly now. 

Ron

From bogodwin at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 14 18:27:38 2008
From: bogodwin at bellsouth.net (Bobby Godwin)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:27:38 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car colors survey
In-Reply-To: <c10.47e423f3.3624c45b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LDEDLPPKNKAGKNFICGALGEKBEGAA.bogodwin@bellsouth.net>

My bugeye is Colorado Red.  When I bought it new I was told it was Cherry
Red, but I have not been able to find that color.

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:34 AM
To: spridgets at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Car colors survey

Acqua turqoiuse is a rare colour for a Spridget - I've only seen 2 in that
colour, both wire wheel cars.  So if you want to stand out from the  crowd?

W e s l a k e 1330

In a message dated 13/10/2008 13:47:13 GMT Daylight Time,
stevenm at optonline.net writes:

Hi  Ryan,

Here is what appears to be the official list of colors for  '74s
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/PaintCodes.html#mk
4s
prite

Here  is a picture of all of these colors (I think) and  more...
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/

And the codes for buying  those  paints
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/midgetspriteclub/MascNew/CarData/ExamplePaintCodes.
ht
ml

Good  luck.  BTW, I put up some pictures from the show last  Saturday
http://www.1978mgmidget.com/photos/Brits_at_the_Village_2008.html

My  '78 Midget is Inca Yellow (sort of)

Steve






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From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct 14 19:55:23 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <868413.83471.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <868413.83471.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B9E12B68757E472786BC8FE7C00A9506@Home>

I Goggled "6-pole killswitch" and got some diagrams.  The last is the 
simplest.
http://spece30.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,86/func,view/id,25247/catid,9/limit,10/limitstart,10

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct 14 20:31:59 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:31:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <B9E12B68757E472786BC8FE7C00A9506@Home>
Message-ID: <C51AA42F.1A370%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> http://spece30.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,86/func,view/id,25247
> /catid,9/limit,10/limitstart,10
What company makes an eleven watt resistor? I would think any race car
should be equipped with a bunch of electronic components including coils,
solenoids, and relays that can stop everything. That sounds like a winning
combination.
BZ

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Tue Oct 14 20:39:00 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
References: <C51AA42F.1A370%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <61F59EF90A8D436498AA104041EA1CF6@midget>

> What company makes an eleven watt resistor? I would think any race car
> should be equipped with a bunch of electronic components including coils,
> solenoids, and relays that can stop everything. That sounds like a winning
> combination.

Yes, but you are forgetting the value of standards. When you roll the car, 
the track workers should not have to stop to figure out how to kill your 
car. All they should have to do is look for the big red switch and turn it. 
In an emergency, the more things that are automatic, the better. 

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 20:56:21 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <B9E12B68757E472786BC8FE7C00A9506@Home>
Message-ID: <14623.88155.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So Michael - maybe I mised the start of this, but I don't think so... Have you
decided to race your Midget instead of hauling surfboards around?  In other
words, why the talk about kill switches?
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Michael Rowe <mdrowe at optonline.net> wrote:

From: Michael Rowe <mdrowe at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Kill switch
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 8:55 PM

I Goggled "6-pole killswitch" and got some diagrams.  The last is the
simplest.
http://spece30.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,86/func,view/id,2524
7/catid,9/limit,10/limitstart,10

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Tue Oct 14 22:26:47 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:26:47 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <61F59EF90A8D436498AA104041EA1CF6@midget>
References: <C51AA42F.1A370%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>,
	<61F59EF90A8D436498AA104041EA1CF6@midget>
Message-ID: <48F50E97.16358.139B7EF@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Forgive my ignorance but, IIRC, there are two sources of power/voltage in a 
race car like a spridget...
1) The Battery,and
2) The alternator
If I open circuit ungrounded side of the batery and open circuit the lead from 
the alternator, what's left??

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 03:39:59 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:39:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
Message-ID: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>

List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 03:46:49 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:46:49 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Update
In-Reply-To: <48F158B8.2080002@comcast.net>
References: <48F158B8.2080002@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <205cef430810150246w7cf347b4p5f51e027483a82a5@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Frank,
Can I stop by and watch the spray painting this Saturday unless it is on
Friday please let me know? I'll help with assembly on 11/8 & 9.
Lin

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>wrote:

> The Holy Sprite is in it's 3rd coat of filler/primer which if you count the
> epoxy primer, it now is wearing 4 coats.
> The 3rd coat of filler/primer has been hand blocked to reveal just a couple
> of minor boo-boos and one high spot.
> They have been fixed and I should get to sanding them down tomorrow and
> maybe get the 4th and hopefully final coat of filler.primer on  it and block
> it down with 320 sand paper.
> I want to spend some time detailing under the bonnet and I still have to
> sand the slightly rusty floor boards.
> I hope to get to all that this coming week and also maybe Friday night
> paint the engine bay, inside of the doors, inside of the bonnet and jamb it
> out.
> If the weather is good my son will squirt the outside of the car Saturday
> or Sunday.
> The seats are at the upholsterer, everything else is here with the
> exception of a few minor goodies like motor mounts and what ever I might
> have forgot that we will  know as soon as it comes time to install it.
> The tentative assembly dates are November 8th & 9th. Any one coming from a
> distance is welcome to stay here.
> If you arrive Friday the 7th, that's OK too. If you are coming a GREAT
> distance and you book a flight or something like that
> the tentative date becomes etched in stone. ;)
> I see no reason why the car will not be painted and buffed out by then.
> For those who left the car on the spackle bucket in my garage, it has not,
> nor will it move until we assemble it where it sits and I want to see it
> DRIVE out of my garage 9/9/08 under it's own power.
> The assembly weekend will include installing the carpet (not a kit)
> installing the interior, wiring harness, dash, drive train, suspension,
> brakes, lights, and what ever else it takes to make a tub a complete car.
> A head count for who's coming would be nice so my wife knows how much food
> to get.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 15 04:20:06 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:20:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>

When I went to school (dirt had just been invented) 1000cc's = 1 litre. 

More importantly ...61 cu.in. = 1000 cc.(1920's Harleys)
74 cu.in. = 1200 cc. (same 1920's)
302 cu.in. = 5 liters (American iron)
427 cu.in. = 7 litres

...bill in oregon
===============================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:40 AM
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math

List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda
_______________________________________________

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 04:26:59 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:26:59 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D22B5C9B7B4D4BC3A2A53E697EDDAEA6@GuyLaptop>

Linda,

A litre is defined as 1000cc. So your 1275 engine is 1.25 litres.
But maybe Americans use an odd measure of a liter, as you spell it
differently. But I believe a liter and a litre to both be the same volume.

Also, if you want to use Cubic Inches, there are about 16cc in a cubic inch,
so 1275 divided by 16 = 79.6 cubic inches

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
Sent: 15 October 2008 10:40
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 04:51:58 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:51:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <830259.61152.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

LInda,
1.9L is 1900cc, 1275cc is 1.275L.  I can't remember the specific multiplier to
go from Liter to Cubic Inch, but it is somewhere around 61.  So if you have a
1.9L, it is roughly equivalent to 116 cubic inches.    I have a conversion
program with all the numbers on my compuer at work, so if nobody has given the
exact number by the time I get there, I'll let you know then.
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island
 

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:39 AM

List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 04:56:25 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <721930.6571.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda"

 
Linda,
I just now noticed your last question there - You can't calculate horepower
except by measuring the pulling force of the engine against a known amount of
resistance (putting it on a dyno).
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 05:11:36 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:11:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <D22B5C9B7B4D4BC3A2A53E697EDDAEA6@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <917399.71692.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Guy - 
A Liter is the same thing as a Litre, except that we corrected the
spelling...  ;-)
 
My wife is from Kent and we have these discussions all the time - colour /
color,
tyre / tire, etc, etc, you guys should be happy we straightened all this stuff
out.
 
David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Guy Weller <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk> wrote

From: Guy Weller <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
To: "'Linda Grunthaner'" <grunthaner at gmail.com>, "'Spridgets'"
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 5:26 AM

Linda,

A litre is defined as 1000cc. So your 1275 engine is 1.25 litres.
But maybe Americans use an odd measure of a liter, as you spell it
differently. But I believe a liter and a litre to both be the same volume.

Also, if you want to use Cubic Inches, there are about 16cc in a cubic inch,
so 1275 divided by 16 = 79.6 cubic inches

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
Sent: 15 October 2008 10:40
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda
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From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 05:26:50 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:26:50 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <917399.71692.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B5334E1303E34C48B487266B5D0FFC9B@GuyLaptop>

David,
I have no problem at all with your different spelling. But I  am not so sure
that you corrected it!
Spelling consistency really only became an issue about 150 years ago. Before
that it was much more  liberal with alternative spellings being the
acceptable norm, often  when written by the same individual in the same
sentence!
I am only alert to spelling variations because of my wasted years spent at
English English-speaking schools. As opposed to American English-speaking
schools!

Guy
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Booker [mailto:tncarnut1 at yahoo.com]
  Sent: 15 October 2008 12:12
  To: 'Linda Grunthaner'; 'Spridgets'; Guy Weller
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


        Guy -
        A Liter is the same thing as a Litre, except that we corrected the
spelling...  ;-)

        My wife is from Kent and we have these discussions all the time -
colour / color,
        tyre / tire, etc, etc, you guys should be happy we straightened all
this stuff out.

        David Booker
        '71 Midget
        Long Island

        --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Guy Weller <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk> wrote

          From: Guy Weller <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk>
          Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
          To: "'Linda Grunthaner'" <grunthaner at gmail.com>, "'Spridgets'"
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
          Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 5:26 AM


Linda,

A litre is defined as 1000cc. So your 1275 engine is 1.25 litres.
But maybe Americans use an odd measure of a liter, as you spell it
differently. But I believe a liter and a litre to both be the same volume.

Also, if you want to use Cubic Inches, there are about 16cc in a cubic inch,
so 1275 divided by 16 = 79.6 cubic inches

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
Sent: 15 October 2008 10:40
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda
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From bighealey at charter.net  Wed Oct 15 06:16:31 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:16:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <00071AC0D050446C84921C1883FF39F1@dave>
Message-ID: <89392736CBA3459AA14E8A2CF3A7CBF6@TRACY>

So is the recommendation to use circlips?  I cannot grock how to get the "E"
clips on.  Jeeeze what a poor fit.  I am confident that if I use the "E"
clips I will bugger up the assembly process.  I am missing one thin washer.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
David Riker
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 8:26 PM
To: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes

There is very likely a thin "C" clip or circlip holding the wheel cylinder
to the backing plate.  It doesn't hold the cylinder as tightly as the "E"
spring clip does, but then again I can never get the darn e clips to work.
David

----- Original Message -----
From: <lindalnhvt at nhvt.net>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes


> Another request to the list that knows, please...
> I'm trying to replace the brake cylinder on the left rear (drums) of my 66
> Sprite.  I have it all apart with shoes, springs all free. I see no
> obvious clip on the back of the old cylinder, just a very slight raised
> edge, not close to the thickness of the new spring clip. Fluid line
> already free, bleeder removed.  I can make the cylinder rock slightly, but
> can't get it out. BTW, do I remember past threads about an easier method
> than the spring clip thingy to hold the new one in?
> I've had my head stuffed in the wheel well long enough!
> TIA
> Dick B.
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From pythias at pacifier.com  Wed Oct 15 06:45:12 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:45:12 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
Message-ID: <567948571.20081015054512@pacifier.com>

Hello Corvallis,

     that's how i always remember what the conversion factor is.. from
     racing engines to racing formula. .. the winning FORD GT-40s had
     427s and were in the 7 litre class.  at the same time Trans-Am
     motors were 5 liter/ 305 cu in.

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  The best things in life are for a fee.

From derf247 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 07:03:51 2008
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:03:51 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <917399.71692.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <D22B5C9B7B4D4BC3A2A53E697EDDAEA6@GuyLaptop>
	<917399.71692.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910810150603m3f1eb5o366f9654a17535e3@mail.gmail.com>

> My wife is from Kent and we have these discussions all the time - colour /
> color,
> tyre / tire, etc, etc, you guys should be happy we straightened all this stuff
> out.
>
> David Booker


So, you are the hairy, hairy, gent, who ran amuck in Kent?

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 07:28:16 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910810150603m3f1eb5o366f9654a17535e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D22B5C9B7B4D4BC3A2A53E697EDDAEA6@GuyLaptop>
	<917399.71692.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5f00d9910810150603m3f1eb5o366f9654a17535e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810150628w3db6c365x9238cc20d52f4988@mail.gmail.com>

But lately he's been seen in Mayfair

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:03 AM, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > My wife is from Kent and we have these discussions all the time - colour
> /
> > color,
> > tyre / tire, etc, etc, you guys should be happy we straightened all this
> stuff
> > out.
> >
> > David Booker
>
>
> So, you are the hairy, hairy, gent, who ran amuck in Kent?
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From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Oct 15 07:41:41 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <D22B5C9B7B4D4BC3A2A53E697EDDAEA6@GuyLaptop>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<D22B5C9B7B4D4BC3A2A53E697EDDAEA6@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <200810150641294.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

We use this all the time in our biz.

Divide cc's by 16.387

         Peter C
==
At 05:26 AM 10/15/2008, Guy Weller wrote:
>Linda,
>
>A litre is defined as 1000cc. So your 1275 engine is 1.25 litres.
>But maybe Americans use an odd measure of a liter, as you spell it
>differently. But I believe a liter and a litre to both be the same volume.
>
>Also, if you want to use Cubic Inches, there are about 16cc in a cubic inch,
>so 1275 divided by 16 = 79.6 cubic inches
>
>Guy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
>Sent: 15 October 2008 10:40
>To: Spridgets
>Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
>
>
>List,
>I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
>US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
>size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
>(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
>cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
>the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
>determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
>1.9 liter to cc?
>
>Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
>Thanks Linda

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 15 08:43:00 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:43:00 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
Message-ID: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>

Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor poured 
would cost?

My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the driveway, 
at the lowest point.

I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest parts, and 
then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an estimate last night was 
actually recommending raising the driveway as well to help with my problem.  
So, he was recommending cutting out the old concrete, adding a base and then 
pouring 4 inches of concrete.  I'm told that it's roughly 580 square feet.  
( But, I think it is roughly 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his 
decision to tell me what needed to be done instead of quoting on what I 
wanted done and the price just floored me.  ( pun intended )

http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/MyLake%202.jpg

From racerbob70 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 09:01:33 2008
From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:01:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <279891.64322.qm@web51606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Linda and list,
   Here is a link to answer all of your automotive questions!
 
www. csgnetwork.com/automotiveconverters.html

Linda,  I think some of these will be of use in your auto shop classes..
--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner at gmail.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 5:39 AM

List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda

From derf247 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:07:37 2008
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910810150807nd42237au1983cb20941761ab@mail.gmail.com>

Whatever you do, you should do it right.  I would look to spend more
and get it done properly, even if it means removing what is there and
digging and forming.  If what you have is cracked and you pour over
it, then the new pour will crack because there probably isn't an
adequate base.  You are adding much weight to a base that is already
weak.  This is a case where a little more money up front will save you
much grief in the future.  If you plan to stay, do it right.
Cheers,
Derf

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Wed Oct 15 09:13:43 2008
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <78mg19$529f4b@email.mtu.edu>

Robert,
Putting my Civil Engineer's hat on. . .Putting a new layer of 
concrete over the old is not a good idea for your situation. The new 
will never bond 100% to the old so water (which it appears you have 
in abundance) will penetrate between layers. This will cause problems 
with chemical reactions and with freeze thaw. I'd bet the perimeter 
of your garage floor freezes occasionally which will destroy the new 
layer. I don't know what type of aggregates you have in Canada, but 
alkaline reactivity is an example of "chemical reaction." If your 
concrete has pop outs with a tan color aggregate in the bottom of 
each hole, you probably have this situation. In most locals in the 
US, there are laws that say; "thou shalt not flood thy neighbors 
land." Seems like the public road is contributing to your lake 
problem. Enlist the help of your CA government - ask for a "bail out" 
(pun intended). We're doing bail outs here in a big way! Get rid of 
the water for lotsa reasons.

Price: Portland Cement, an ingredient in concrete, is an energy 
intensive material to produce and transport so expect to pay more 
each day you wait to do the project.



At 10:43 AM 10/15/2008, Robert Duquette wrote:
>Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor 
>poured would cost?
>
>My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the 
>driveway, at the lowest point.
>
>I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest 
>parts, and then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an 
>estimate last night was actually recommending raising the driveway 
>as well to help with my problem.
>So, he was recommending cutting out the old concrete, adding a base 
>and then pouring 4 inches of concrete.  I'm told that it's roughly 
>580 square feet.
>( But, I think it is roughly 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his 
>decision to tell me what needed to be done instead of quoting on 
>what I wanted done and the price just floored me.  ( pun intended )

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 15 09:36:44 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:36:44 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910810150807nd42237au1983cb20941761ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F35FBC36C536AE52FEEED2BB8300@phx.gbl>

But, you didn't guess his price!!

----Original Message Follows----
From: derf <derf247 at gmail.com>
To: "Robert Duquette" <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
CC: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] concrete question
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:07:37 -0500

Whatever you do, you should do it right.  I would look to spend more
and get it done properly, even if it means removing what is there and
digging and forming.  If what you have is cracked and you pour over
it, then the new pour will crack because there probably isn't an
adequate base.  You are adding much weight to a base that is already
weak.  This is a case where a little more money up front will save you
much grief in the future.  If you plan to stay, do it right.
Cheers,
Derf

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 15 09:37:25 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:37:25 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <78mg19$529f4b@email.mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F3626F232D92AAB48F43383B8300@phx.gbl>

Civil engineer?  Great!  Take a guess at what his price was.

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Timothy H. Collins" <thcollin at mtu.edu>
To: "Robert Duquette" <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>,spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] concrete question
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:43 -0400

Robert,
Putting my Civil Engineer's hat on. . .Putting a new layer of concrete over 
the old is not a good idea for your situation. The new will never bond 100% 
to the old so water (which it appears you have in abundance) will penetrate 
between layers. This will cause problems with chemical reactions and with 
freeze thaw. I'd bet the perimeter of your garage floor freezes occasionally 
which will destroy the new layer. I don't know what type of aggregates you 
have in Canada, but alkaline reactivity is an example of "chemical 
reaction." If your concrete has pop outs with a tan color aggregate in the 
bottom of each hole, you probably have this situation. In most locals in the 
US, there are laws that say; "thou shalt not flood thy neighbors land." 
Seems like the public road is contributing to your lake problem. Enlist the 
help of your CA government - ask for a "bail out" (pun intended). We're 
doing bail outs here in a big way! Get rid of the water for lotsa reasons.

Price: Portland Cement, an ingredient in concrete, is an energy intensive 
material to produce and transport so expect to pay more each day you wait to 
do the project.



At 10:43 AM 10/15/2008, Robert Duquette wrote:
>Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor poured 
>would cost?
>
>My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the driveway, 
>at the lowest point.
>
>I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest parts, and 
>then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an estimate last night was 
>actually recommending raising the driveway as well to help with my problem.
>So, he was recommending cutting out the old concrete, adding a base and 
>then pouring 4 inches of concrete.  I'm told that it's roughly 580 square 
>feet.
>( But, I think it is roughly 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his 
>decision to tell me what needed to be done instead of quoting on what I 
>wanted done and the price just floored me.  ( pun intended )

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/

From mikey at b2systems.com  Wed Oct 15 09:38:08 2008
From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:38:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48F60E60.70504@b2systems.com>

 Ooh Ooh, I can answer this one !!!

 In S. Calif. breaking up and removal of a 20x20 garage slab, putting 
down rebar 18" O.C. and drilling into the footers to tie the new 
concrete in, since there was already sand and gravel down they put down 
a road base to raise the floor 4" due to past flooding problems and 
poured a beautiful new 5" thick garage floor, $5,400 done a month ago.

  22x20 slab, remove the dirt, level out the area, sand and gravel, dig 
footings for the walls, tie rebar into above slab by drilling into above 
slab, rebar 18" O.C.,  pour  5 1/2  thick slab, $8,000 even.  Will be  
poured Nov. 5  (unless I get my permit earlier, come oonnn city).

 Also did a driveway at the same time as the first pour since the old 
driveway was going to be too low and we have had flooding problems in 
the past, that was very expensive, but since there was a lot of other 
work like walkways, drains, curb coring and other work the pricing would 
be of no help.

     mike

Robert Duquette wrote:
> Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor 
> poured would cost?
>
> My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the 
> driveway, at the lowest point.
>
> I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest parts, 
> and then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an estimate last 
> night was actually recommending raising the driveway as well to help 
> with my problem.  So, he was recommending cutting out the old 
> concrete, adding a base and then pouring 4 inches of concrete.  I'm 
> told that it's roughly 580 square feet.  ( But, I think it is roughly 
> 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his decision to tell me what 
> needed to be done instead of quoting on what I wanted done and the 
> price just floored me.  ( pun intended )
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/MyLake%202.jpg
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 15 09:48:20 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:48:20 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <48F60E60.70504@b2systems.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F36A53E3EC82585C090A90FB8300@phx.gbl>

Call me cheap, but I still find that expensive.  Come to think of it, he did 
mention putting in a 'mesh'.  His price was over $10,000.


----Original Message Follows----
From: Mike Rambour <mikey at b2systems.com>

Ooh Ooh, I can answer this one !!!

In S. Calif. breaking up and removal of a 20x20 garage slab, putting down 
rebar 18" O.C. and drilling into the footers to tie the new concrete in, 
since there was already sand and gravel down they put down a road base to 
raise the floor 4" due to past flooding problems and poured a beautiful new 
5" thick garage floor, $5,400 done a month ago.

  22x20 slab, remove the dirt, level out the area, sand and gravel, dig 
footings for the walls, tie rebar into above slab by drilling into above 
slab, rebar 18" O.C.,  pour  5 1/2  thick slab, $8,000 even.  Will be  
poured Nov. 5  (unless I get my permit earlier, come oonnn city).

Also did a driveway at the same time as the first pour since the old 
driveway was going to be too low and we have had flooding problems in the 
past, that was very expensive, but since there was a lot of other work like 
walkways, drains, curb coring and other work the pricing would be of no 
help.

     mike

Robert Duquette wrote:
>Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor poured 
>would cost?
>
>My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the driveway, 
>at the lowest point.
>
>I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest parts, and 
>then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an estimate last night was 
>actually recommending raising the driveway as well to help with my problem. 
>  So, he was recommending cutting out the old concrete, adding a base and 
>then pouring 4 inches of concrete.  I'm told that it's roughly 580 square 
>feet.  ( But, I think it is roughly 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his 
>decision to tell me what needed to be done instead of quoting on what I 
>wanted done and the price just floored me.  ( pun intended )
>
>http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/MyLake%202.jpg
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct 15 10:11:01 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:11:01 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F35FBC36C536AE52FEEED2BB8300@phx.gbl>
References: <5f00d9910810150807nd42237au1983cb20941761ab@mail.gmail.com>,
	<BAY112-F35FBC36C536AE52FEEED2BB8300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48F5B3A5.14318.4EDB23@kk7ss.verizon.net>

I've always found it interesting that any estimate for work on or around a 
house always seems to be given in multiples of $100's...

I've never had an estimate that was something like $5,127.53

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 15 10:22:51 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:22:51 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <48F5B3A5.14318.4EDB23@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F362DC2DC71E9F006F09FA7B8300@phx.gbl>

This one was something like $10,270.xx  ( I don't think there was any cents 
to it. )  He measured the outer walls, glanced at a piece of existing floor 
and took about 3 minutes to do the math for both an asphalt driveway and the 
garage floor.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Dave G." <kk7ss at verizon.net>

I've always found it interesting that any estimate for work on or around a
house always seems to be given in multiples of $100's...

I've never had an estimate that was something like $5,127.53

--
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'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!
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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 10:24:46 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:24:46 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <bf9.4a844b86.3627734e@aol.com>

And is opening the circuit the lead from the alternator live or ground and  
if it's live how is this thrown on the same switch as the battery ground?
 
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 05:27:02 GMT Daylight Time, kk7ss at verizon.net  
writes:

If I  open circuit ungrounded side of the batery and open circuit the lead 
from  
the alternator,

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 10:26:48 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:26:48 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
Message-ID: <cd1.3c746b52.362773c8@aol.com>

The 1275cc Sprite is 1.275L.  Strangely engine sizes are the only  things 
that were metric in the UK before we metricated.
 
To get the bhp you either look it up in a book or run the engine or car on  a 
dynomometer.
 
You're really not reading that book you bought at Carlisle are you???
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 10:40:11 GMT Daylight Time,  
grunthaner at gmail.com writes:

List,
I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my  motor in cc to
US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see  the math for the
size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a  1994 Saturn SW2
(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9  liter, dual overhead
cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with  124 horsepower. If
the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc   how do I convert each to
determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine  is or convert the Saturn
1.9 liter to cc?

Also how do I calculate  the horsepower for the Sprite?
Thanks Linda

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 15 10:36:24 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:36:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <cd1.3c746b52.362773c8@aol.com>
References: <cd1.3c746b52.362773c8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6A331CC59BD84A6A9481F22086485860@spider>

I'm given to understand that horsepower is to be kilowatt-hours in a metric
world. ..bill in Oregon

http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/converter.htm

 

=====================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Weslake1330 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:27 AM
To: grunthaner at gmail.com; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math

 

The 1275cc Sprite is 1.275L.  Strangely engine sizes are the only  things 

that were metric in the UK before we metricated.

 

To get the bhp you either look it up in a book or run the engine or car on a
dynamometer.

 

You're really not reading that book you bought at Carlisle are you???

 

W e s l a k e 1330

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct 15 10:38:07 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:38:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <bf9.4a844b86.3627734e@aol.com>
References: <bf9.4a844b86.3627734e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48F5B9FF.29672.67AD31@kk7ss.verizon.net>

That's not the question I asked...

I can use a simple circuit employing a double pole industrial 12V relay switched 
by a single pole switch to cut both lines at once or use an off-the-shelf purpose 
built switch.

My serious question is "If I cut power from the battery *and* I cut power from the 
alternator"  what's left --- doesn't that remove all power from all electrical circuits 
in the vehicle????

On 15 Oct 2008 at 12:24, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

>> And is opening the circuit the lead from the alternator live or ground
>> and if it's live how is this thrown on the same switch as the battery
>> ground?


--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed Oct 15 10:42:19 2008
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:42:19 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <34E2DA6F9720450FA06B62291719C38C@Home>
References: <BAY116-DAV6CB8931CE011B5A42F0A1D4360@phx.gbl>
	<34E2DA6F9720450FA06B62291719C38C@Home>
Message-ID: <48F61D6B.4030802@snet.net>

On my generator-equipped MGA, my kill switch is in line with the battery 
ungrounded lead (negative in my case) and one of the other poles in the 
switch (there are three total) opens up the ignition lead that feeds the 
coil.  The engine stops promptly when switched off, and all stuff stops.

Michael Rowe wrote:
> Racers.  How do you wire your kill switches?
>
> I was told (rather forcefully, and why haven't you done it yet?) that 
> it must be on the battery ground cable which, of course, is not 
> enough.  The wiring diagram makes it clear that the alternater must be 
> included.
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed Oct 15 10:48:34 2008
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:48:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <48F5B9FF.29672.67AD31@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <bf9.4a844b86.3627734e@aol.com>
	<48F5B9FF.29672.67AD31@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48F61EE2.8080507@snet.net>

I think your conclusion is correct.  Has to be.  The way I think, 
though, is that the more switches/relays you have, the more you increase 
the chance of one failing.  I have relays to control my fuel pump and my 
electric fan and those haven't failed yet.  But I've had some relays 
(the cube-shaped ones) fall apart in my hand, so I don't 100% trust 
their integrity.  I ty-wrap them to the socket to prevent them 
physically falling apart, and carry spares.

I once had a kill switch fail.  It wouldn't close, and I missed a race.  
I carry a spare one of those now, too.

Dave G. wrote:
> That's not the question I asked...
>
> I can use a simple circuit employing a double pole industrial 12V relay switched 
> by a single pole switch to cut both lines at once or use an off-the-shelf purpose 
> built switch.
>
> My serious question is "If I cut power from the battery *and* I cut power from the 
> alternator"  what's left --- doesn't that remove all power from all electrical circuits 
> in the vehicle????
>
> On 15 Oct 2008 at 12:24, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:
>
>   
>>> And is opening the circuit the lead from the alternator live or ground
>>> and if it's live how is this thrown on the same switch as the battery
>>> ground?
>>>       
>
>
> --
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> '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
>
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From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Oct 15 10:52:04 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:52:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <48F5B9FF.29672.67AD31@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <bf9.4a844b86.3627734e@aol.com>
	<48F5B9FF.29672.67AD31@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200810150952888.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

Dave,
         I'm not an engineer, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last 
night (though I probably should have) but there is a potential 
problem shutting of the power to an alternator with regard to diodes and such.

         I worked on a guy's race car with alternator and was 
shocked, literally, because he had the wrong switch.
         This link, by no means an endorsement, addresses the 
alternator issue. Maybe you can understand it better than I.

         http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=1464

Peter C
====
At 11:38 AM 10/15/2008, Dave G. wrote:
>That's not the question I asked...
>
>I can use a simple circuit employing a double pole industrial 12V 
>relay switched
>by a single pole switch to cut both lines at once or use an 
>off-the-shelf purpose
>built switch.
>
>My serious question is "If I cut power from the battery *and* I cut 
>power from the
>alternator"  what's left --- doesn't that remove all power from all 
>electrical circuits
>in the vehicle????
>
>On 15 Oct 2008 at 12:24, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:
>
> >> And is opening the circuit the lead from the alternator live or ground
> >> and if it's live how is this thrown on the same switch as the battery
> >> ground?

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 10:54:42 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:54:42 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
Message-ID: <ca5.3ad2e588.36277a52@aol.com>

Are you really 150 years old??
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 12:27:16 GMT Daylight Time,  
guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk writes:

150  years ago. Before
that it was much more  liberal with alternative  spellings being the
acceptable norm, often  when written by the same  individual in the same
sentence!
I am only alert to spelling variations  because of my wasted years

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 10:58:25 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:58:25 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
Message-ID: <cfd.44ebba1d.36277b31@aol.com>

The new front door on my house was #1292.50

In a message dated 15/10/2008 17:11:23 GMT Daylight Time, kk7ss at verizon.net
writes:

I've  never had an estimate that was something like  $5,127.53

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 10:59:37 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:59:37 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <c28.42ee83ad.36277b79@aol.com>

Yes, I'd have thought so.
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 17:38:20 GMT Daylight Time, kk7ss at verizon.net  
writes:

My  serious question is "If I cut power from the battery *and* I cut power 
from  the 
alternator"  what's left --- doesn't that remove all power from  all 
electrical circuits 
in the vehicle????

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 11:02:53 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:02:53 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <c0a.4977122b.36277c3d@aol.com>

The big resistor is there to stop the rectifier diodes in the alternator  
frying/self destructing when the switch is thrown with the engine running at an  
rpm above the alternator kick-in rpm.  The resistor is a biggy.
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 17:52:32 GMT Daylight Time,  
peter at nosimport.com writes:

Dave,
I'm not an engineer, and I  didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last 
night (though I probably should have)  but there is a potential 
problem shutting of the power to an alternator  with regard to diodes and 
such.

I  worked on a guy's race car with alternator and was 
shocked, literally,  because he had the wrong switch.
This  link, by no means an endorsement, addresses the 
alternator issue. Maybe  you can understand it better than I.

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=1464

Peter  C
====
At 11:38 AM 10/15/2008, Dave G. wrote:
>That's not the  question I asked...
>
>I can use a simple circuit employing a  double pole industrial 12V 
>relay switched
>by a single pole  switch to cut both lines at once or use an 
>off-the-shelf  purpose
>built switch.
>
>My serious question is "If I cut  power from the battery *and* I cut 
>power from  the
>alternator"  what's left --- doesn't that remove all power  from all 
>electrical circuits
>in the  vehicle????
>
>On 15 Oct 2008 at 12:24, Weslake1330 at aol.com  wrote:
>
> >> And is opening the circuit the lead from the  alternator live or ground
> >> and if it's live how is this thrown  on the same switch as the battery
> >>  ground?

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 15 11:07:56 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:07:56 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <6A331CC59BD84A6A9481F22086485860@spider>
Message-ID: <C51B717C.1A3BB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> I'm given to understand that horsepower is to be kilowatt-hours in a metric
> world. ..bill in Oregon
One HP is 746 watts. My guitar amplifier puts out approximately .075
horsepower.

From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Oct 15 11:08:38 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:08:38 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <c0a.4977122b.36277c3d@aol.com>
References: <c0a.4977122b.36277c3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200810151008826.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

At 12:02 PM 10/15/2008, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:
>The big resistor is there to stop the rectifier diodes in the 
>alternator frying/self destructing when the switch is thrown with 
>the engine running at an rpm above the alternator kick-in rpm.  The 
>resistor is a biggy.


They got Holiday Inns in UK?

;-)

Forgot to add, go to the wiring diagram link in the link.

Peter

>
>In a message dated 15/10/2008 17:52:32 GMT Daylight Time, 
>peter at nosimport.com writes:
>Dave,
>          I'm not an engineer, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last
>night (though I probably should have) but there is a potential
>problem shutting of the power to an alternator with regard to diodes and such.
>
>          I worked on a guy's race car with alternator and was
>shocked, literally, because he had the wrong switch.
>          This link, by no means an endorsement, addresses the
>alternator issue. Maybe you can understand it better than I.
>
>          http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=1464
>
>Peter C
>====
>At 11:38 AM 10/15/2008, Dave G. wrote:
> >That's not the question I asked...
> >
> >I can use a simple circuit employing a double pole industrial 12V
> >relay switched
> >by a single pole switch to cut both lines at once or use an
> >off-the-shelf purpose
> >built switch.
> >
> >My serious question is "If I cut power from the battery *and* I cut
> >power from the
> >alternator"  what's left --- doesn't that remove all power from all
> >electrical circuits
> >in the vehicle????
> >
> >On 15 Oct 2008 at 12:24, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >> And is opening the circuit the lead from the alternator live or ground
> > >> and if it's live how is this thrown on the same switch as the battery
> > >> ground?

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 15 11:14:57 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:14:57 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <c28.42ee83ad.36277b79@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C51B7321.1A3BC%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

If you roll your car during a race, how concerned will you be about the
diodes in your alternator?

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 11:24:28 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:24:28 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <ca5.3ad2e588.36277a52@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AC23ACAC575E4F3194F98B72E64A681C@GuyLaptop>

Yup!
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Weslake1330 at aol.com [mailto:Weslake1330 at aol.com]
  Sent: 15 October 2008 17:55
  To: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk; tncarnut1 at yahoo.com; grunthaner at gmail.com;
spridgets at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


  Are you really 150 years old??

  W e s l a k e 1330


  In a message dated 15/10/2008 12:27:16 GMT Daylight Time,
guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk writes:
    150 years ago. Before
    that it was much more  liberal with alternative spellings being the
    acceptable norm, often  when written by the same individual in the same
    sentence!
    I am only alert to spelling variations because of my wasted years

From nases at verizon.net  Wed Oct 15 11:28:45 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:28:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] something you don't see everyday
Message-ID: <7BFFABFD-56D7-4708-9B3C-5DC1ACBD0C0A@verizon.net>

I spotted a '74 Opel Manta today cruisin a local highway.  It was in  
real good shape.

Some may say it's good you don't see them everyday;)

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 11:29:43 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:29:43 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <bd5.3e007b7f.36278287@aol.com>

Yes, but admittedly smaller than yours....
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 18:09:25 GMT Daylight Time,  
peter at nosimport.com writes:

They got  Holiday Inns in UK?

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 11:33:17 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:33:17 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <c3e.363e5b39.3627835d@aol.com>

When the car is presented for scrutineering and the scrutineer, sometimes  
this is ME throws the switch with the engine running you'd prefer the alternator 
 diodes not to be fried, especially if the race is a long one.
 
I guess if you roll the car at least it's something else (the alternator)  
you don't have to fix.  Also, it could be the car hasn't been rolled just a  
heavy crash, driven unconcious,engine stalled but fuel pump running.  Could  just 
be the car's on fire and the driver's ran away from it with the engine and  
fuel pump(s) still running.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 18:15:02 GMT Daylight Time,  
billyzoom at billyzoom.com writes:

If you  roll your car during a race, how concerned will you be about the
diodes in  your alternator?

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 11:34:15 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:34:15 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] something you don't see everyday
Message-ID: <c2d.47b124e1.36278397@aol.com>

Well I saw a Mk4 Cortina estate this morning and they are rare!
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 15/10/2008 18:29:41 GMT Daylight Time, nases at verizon.net  
writes:

I  spotted a '74 Opel Manta today cruisin a local highway.  It was in   
real good shape.

Some may say it's good you don't see them  everyday;)

Phil Nase
Quakertown,  PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 13:07:44 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A287630F-8D45-41CD-A817-354F35E72E92@comcast.net>

I had a 12 x 70 4" slab poured a little over a year ago..  including  
excavation and cleanup close to $ 10,000.00

lester


On Oct 15, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Robert Duquette wrote:

> Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor  
> poured would cost?
>
> My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the  
> driveway, at the lowest point.
>
> I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest  
> parts, and then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an  
> estimate last night was actually recommending raising the driveway  
> as well to help with my problem.  So, he was recommending cutting  
> out the old concrete, adding a base and then pouring 4 inches of  
> concrete.  I'm told that it's roughly 580 square feet.  ( But, I  
> think it is roughly 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his  
> decision to tell me what needed to be done instead of quoting on  
> what I wanted done and the price just floored me.  ( pun intended )
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/MyLake%202.jpg
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From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 13:10:34 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:10:34 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
Message-ID: <C84A1BAD-4DEC-41FE-9117-C30917C5F4B0@comcast.net>

.. and 440 cu. in. = heaven...  ;-)

Lester

1969 Chrysler New Yorker  back in the day..


On Oct 15, 2008, at 5:20 AM, <corvallis at peoplepc.com>  
<corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> When I went to school (dirt had just been invented) 1000cc's = 1  
> litre.
>
> More importantly ...61 cu.in. = 1000 cc.(1920's Harleys)
> 74 cu.in. = 1200 cc. (same 1920's)
> 302 cu.in. = 5 liters (American iron)
> 427 cu.in. = 7 litres
>
> ...bill in oregon
> ===============================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda  
> Grunthaner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:40 AM
> To: Spridgets
> Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
>
> List,
> I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor  
> in cc to
> US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math  
> for the
> size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994  
> Saturn SW2
> (wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual  
> overhead
> cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124  
> horsepower. If
> the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert  
> each to
> determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the  
> Saturn
> 1.9 liter to cc?
>
> Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
> Thanks Linda
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From lbc at littlebitcountry.com  Wed Oct 15 13:20:09 2008
From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:20:09 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081015150409.04a30ff0@littlebitcountry.com>

I'm guessing here, there is no entrance into the house from the garage ?
You will need a 20" high retaining wall towards your neighbors on the 
left and then tear down the existing garage, raise the driveway 16" 
to be level with the existing front yard then raise the foundation of 
the garage and then build a new garage. This would give you access to 
the garage from inside the house. This would also eliminate the "lake 
effect" you have now. The sag of the ridge line and garage door shows 
there are major problems somewhere or very poor construction.
Or you could get inventive and lift/raise the garage and put a new 
foundation under it and fix the sagging roofline.
Cost approx. = Little more than $10G but better off in the long run.

Dave



At 10:43 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote:
>Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor 
>poured would cost?
>
>My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the 
>driveway, at the lowest point.
>
>I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest 
>parts, and then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an 
>estimate last night was actually recommending raising the driveway 
>as well to help with my problem.
>So, he was recommending cutting out the old concrete, adding a base 
>and then pouring 4 inches of concrete.  I'm told that it's roughly 
>580 square feet.
>( But, I think it is roughly 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his 
>decision to tell me what needed to be done instead of quoting on 
>what I wanted done and the price just floored me.  ( pun intended )
>
>http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/MyLake%202.jpg

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Wed Oct 15 13:37:28 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:37:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <C84A1BAD-4DEC-41FE-9117-C30917C5F4B0@comcast.net>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
	<C84A1BAD-4DEC-41FE-9117-C30917C5F4B0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48F64678.7090809@frontiernet.net>

Only if it's a Hemi.

Kate

Lester wrote:
> .. and 440 cu. in. = heaven...  ;-)

From uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 13:43:48 2008
From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com (uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
Message-ID: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?
 
He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people who
did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond to
emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.
 
Vigil

From uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 13:57:28 2008
From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com (uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <200810150641294.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <769094.91455.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If i did it correct = 77.805577591993653505827790321596
 
Not 79.6 -
 
I have seen it listed as 77.8 & 77.9 in books
 
Vigil


--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

From: Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
To: "Guy Weller" <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk>, "'Linda Grunthaner'"
<grunthaner at gmail.com>, "'Spridgets'" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 6:41 AM

We use this all the time in our biz.

Divide cc's by 16.387

         Peter C
==
At 05:26 AM 10/15/2008, Guy Weller wrote:
>Linda,
>
>A litre is defined as 1000cc. So your 1275 engine is 1.25 litres.
>But maybe Americans use an odd measure of a liter, as you spell it
>differently. But I believe a liter and a litre to both be the same volume.
>
>Also, if you want to use Cubic Inches, there are about 16cc in a cubic
inch,
>so 1275 divided by 16 = 79.6 cubic inches
>
>Guy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
>Sent: 15 October 2008 10:40
>To: Spridgets
>Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
>
>
>List,
>I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
>US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
>size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
>(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
>cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
>the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
>determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
>1.9 liter to cc?
>
>Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
>Thanks Linda
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 15 14:01:01 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:01:01 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  advice on eBay seller
Message-ID: <FB6BAB19E9994579BD9B6FBF0505AC9D@spider>

Go back to the sale you're interested in. At the top there is the word me by
his 'handle.' (blue m, red e) Click on that. He explains what happened to
his feedback.
I too have suffered from a poor review; this was a person with six purchases
and involved a 99-cent item. The fellow flamed me because he could and I'm
sitting at 97.5 percent approval rating for the next year because eBay
doesn't care. ...bill in oregon
=========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:44 PM
To: spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller

 Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?
 
He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people who
did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond
to
emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.
 
Vigil
_______________________________________________

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 14:04:08 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:04:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <48F64678.7090809@frontiernet.net>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
	<C84A1BAD-4DEC-41FE-9117-C30917C5F4B0@comcast.net>
	<48F64678.7090809@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <44A4AE96-9BCB-4A1C-9DC5-E51B685AD5E2@comcast.net>

Nah, it was fast enough, Dear 'ol Dad put a nice 4bbl Holley and  
Holley intake manifold, headers, and a sway bar to keep it close-ish  
to staying on the ground..  lots of fun that1

lester

On Oct 15, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Kathryn Bales wrote:

> Only if it's a Hemi.
>
> Kate
>
> Lester wrote:
>> .. and 440 cu. in. = heaven...  ;-)
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From khargreaves2 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:12:30 2008
From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:12:30 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Cutting Power
Message-ID: <37dc82d40810151312g575c8d18wcf58d441e787def4@mail.gmail.com>

When my dash ign switch began to act up one day causing the car to continue
to run even with the key on "off" I - not thinking, opened the hood and
unlatched the device I have over my battery terminal to kill the battery.
Duh, the engine kept happily running along.  I had to undo the wiring behind
the ign switch to kill the signal from the alternator.

Then, later, to heck with the ign switch, this is my car and I don't plan on
selling it.  I hooked up a "on" switch that is hidden under the dash.  The
ignition always reads off.  But the car starts with a hidden switch - and
then I pull the start button on the dash which is tied to a simple off on
circuit under the dash to activate the starter.

If I park in an area of concern, I either take my steering wheel with me, a
small wheel, or I ditch it under the trunk area where it is hard to see.

These cars can be jumped anyhow, if someone has basic electrical
understanding.

Just a cent and a half of uneeded information for the group!

Kirk

1275 Bugeye with just about all the upgrades that can be done.

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 14:16:08 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <769094.91455.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7354F7BA628B48D18CC188109E5881CE@GuyLaptop>

Quite right Vigil, except I was dividing by a straight 16, not 16.687.
Mainly because not many people could divide 1275 by a number with 3 decimal
places in their head. Dividing by 16 as an approximation is easier!

Anyway, I guess that not many 1275 engines are still 1275cc these days!

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com
Sent: 15 October 2008 20:57
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


If i did it correct = 77.805577591993653505827790321596

Not 79.6 -

I have seen it listed as 77.8 & 77.9 in books

Vigil


--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

From: Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
To: "Guy Weller" <guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk>, "'Linda Grunthaner'"
<grunthaner at gmail.com>, "'Spridgets'" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 6:41 AM

We use this all the time in our biz.

Divide cc's by 16.387

         Peter C
==
At 05:26 AM 10/15/2008, Guy Weller wrote:
>Linda,
>
>A litre is defined as 1000cc. So your 1275 engine is 1.25 litres.
>But maybe Americans use an odd measure of a liter, as you spell it
>differently. But I believe a liter and a litre to both be the same volume.
>
>Also, if you want to use Cubic Inches, there are about 16cc in a cubic
inch,
>so 1275 divided by 16 = 79.6 cubic inches
>
>Guy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
>Sent: 15 October 2008 10:40
>To: Spridgets
>Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
>
>
>List,
>I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
>US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
>size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
>(wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
>cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
>the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
>determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
>1.9 liter to cc?
>
>Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
>Thanks Linda
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct 15 14:16:42 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
References: <769094.91455.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <672958BE011A4682BFCDA1A25002A9CE@NilesAD.von.gov>

> We use this all the time in our biz.
> Divide cc's by 16.387

>> If i did it correct = 77.805577591993653505827790321596
>> Not 79.6 -
>> I have seen it listed as 77.8 & 77.9 in books

Or you could just go to Google and type in:  1275 cc in cubic inches
It comes back and says 1275 cc = 77.8052737 cubic inches

It is amazing how many conversions and math functions Google can do...

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 15 14:21:04 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:21:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Cutting Power
Message-ID: <AA442EA5A4A744B18C0D3EEECBDA2F65@spider>

In the old days they'd take the rotor out of the distributor in lieu of a
locking ignition switch.   ...bill in oregon
===============================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirk Hargreaves
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:13 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Cutting Power

When my dash ign switch began to act up one day causing the car to continue
to run even with the key on "off" I - not thinking, opened the hood and
unlatched the device I have over my battery terminal to kill the battery.
Duh, the engine kept happily running along.  I had to undo the wiring behind
the ign switch to kill the signal from the alternator.

Then, later, to heck with the ign switch, this is my car and I don't plan on
selling it.  I hooked up a "on" switch that is hidden under the dash.  The
ignition always reads off.  But the car starts with a hidden switch - and
then I pull the start button on the dash which is tied to a simple off on
circuit under the dash to activate the starter.

If I park in an area of concern, I either take my steering wheel with me, a
small wheel, or I ditch it under the trunk area where it is hard to see.

These cars can be jumped anyhow, if someone has basic electrical
understanding.

Just a cent and a half of uneeded information for the group!

Kirk

1275 Bugeye with just about all the upgrades that can be done.
_______________________________________________

From uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 14:28:04 2008
From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com (uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  advice on eBay seller
In-Reply-To: <FB6BAB19E9994579BD9B6FBF0505AC9D@spider>
Message-ID: <190126.46262.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
I did read all the feed backs and what both people wrote. There seems to be a
pattern of the same thing over and over  What i posted was only for 12 months.
But even past that there is the same type messages. I did go to the place you
pointed too. He does say that he was taken advantage of on feed back. With
over 3000 items i am sure your going to have a few people not happy. That is
why i was checking to see what the group thought or if any one had experience
with the seller in the past.  
 
Vigil

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:

From: corvallis at peoplepc.com <corvallis at peoplepc.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] FW: advice on eBay seller
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:01 PM

Go back to the sale you're interested in. At the top there is the word me by
his 'handle.' (blue m, red e) Click on that. He explains what happened
to
his feedback.
I too have suffered from a poor review; this was a person with six purchases
and involved a 99-cent item. The fellow flamed me because he could and I'm
sitting at 97.5 percent approval rating for the next year because eBay
doesn't care. ...bill in oregon
=========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:44 PM
To: spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller

 Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?

He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people who
did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond
to
emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.

Vigil
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From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Oct 15 14:28:04 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  Cutting Power
In-Reply-To: <AA442EA5A4A744B18C0D3EEECBDA2F65@spider>
References: <AA442EA5A4A744B18C0D3EEECBDA2F65@spider>
Message-ID: <200810151328810.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

Or just install a new Lucas rotor..........

         Ed


At 03:21 PM 10/15/2008, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote:
>In the old days they'd take the rotor out of the distributor in lieu of a
>locking ignition switch.   ...bill in oregon
>===============================================

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:40:35 2008
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:40:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
Message-ID: <abb8688a0810151340r133b36b0h77484476dcaf3f00@mail.gmail.com>

Darn Ford guys, always cheating.  305 = 5.0, 302 = 4.942

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:20 AM,  <corvallis at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> When I went to school (dirt had just been invented) 1000cc's = 1 litre.
>
> More importantly ...61 cu.in. = 1000 cc.(1920's Harleys)
> 74 cu.in. = 1200 cc. (same 1920's)
> 302 cu.in. = 5 liters (American iron)
> 427 cu.in. = 7 litres
>
> ...bill in oregon
> ===============================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Linda Grunthaner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:40 AM
> To: Spridgets
> Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
>
> List,
> I am trying to locate the formula to convert the size of my motor in cc to
> US motor size of liter? What is the formula? I want to see the math for the
> size of my daily driver to the cc Sprite motor. I have a 1994 Saturn SW2
> (wagon model) and according to the statics it is a 1.9 liter, dual overhead
> cam, 4- valves per cylinder, fuel injected engine with 124 horsepower. If
> the engine is 1.9 liter and my Sprite is 1275cc  how do I convert each to
> determine what is liter the Sprite 1275cc engine is or convert the Saturn
> 1.9 liter to cc?
>
> Also how do I calculate the horsepower for the Sprite?
> Thanks Linda
> _______________________________________________
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:42:01 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Cutting Power
In-Reply-To: <200810151328810.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
References: <AA442EA5A4A744B18C0D3EEECBDA2F65@spider>
	<200810151328810.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810151342u3eaf1176p1e892f7d60b0677d@mail.gmail.com>

Don't you mean a new Rucas Rotor

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> Or just install a new Lucas rotor..........
>
>        Ed
>
>
> At 03:21 PM 10/15/2008, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote:
>
>> In the old days they'd take the rotor out of the distributor in lieu of a
>> locking ignition switch.   ...bill in oregon
>> ===============================================
>>
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 15 14:53:47 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:53:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
References: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7064CA133C2B4CEABC79C9E1A238089F@Larry>

Vigil, I have bought items from him a couple times.  Everything about the 
transaction was good with the exception of the two things you mentioned.  He 
is terrible about answering emails and he is a slooow shipper.  Other than 
that, you get what you paid for -- just don't buy something you need soon.

As for his explanation, he probably deserves to be railed at a bit for his 
very poor customer service.  Despite what he says about not being a 
business, when you sell on eBay you ARE a business and should treat it as 
such.  After 3400+ sales that goes triple.

Larry (100% Rating)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com>
To: "spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller



Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?

He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people who
did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond 
to
emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.

Vigil
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From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 15 15:09:04 2008
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:09:04 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
References: <C51B717C.1A3BB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <E2407983360C49FD86BAF67316071815@TAIRS>

There are some answers to questions on this list that are worth waiting 
months to read.

I have just read one...  LOL .... LOL ...

Guy R Day



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Billy Zoom" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
To: <corvallis at peoplepc.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


> I'm given to understand that horsepower is to be kilowatt-hours in a 
> metric
> world. ..bill in Oregon
 One HP is 746 watts. My guitar amplifier puts out approximately .075
 horsepower.

From conan at intrex.net  Wed Oct 15 15:16:22 2008
From: conan at intrex.net (conan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:16:22 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] something you don't see every day
Message-ID: <200810151716.AA3315073142@intrex.net>

per Phil Nase:
>>I spotted a '74 Opel Manta today cruisin a local highway.  It was in real good shape.
>>
>>Some may say it's good you don't see them everyday;) 

  Not by folks who know Opels from then!  The Manta was a sporty coupe version of the Opel 1900 (Ascona) sedan.  Very nice looking and driving.  It was fast enough to be banned from showroom stock racing and people had to run the 1900 instead.
  The very boxy 1900 was the -The Car To Beat- in it's class. :-) :-) :-)
  Ed in NC

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 15 15:17:01 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:17:01 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] FW:  advice on eBay seller
Message-ID: <B00E2EBB73D9446E8B33A39B660E3A83@spider>

As a caveat, my 2853 is over a 10-year period and I'm not a business. Just
trying to get rid of the junk we tend to accumulate.  
The % rating is just for the last 12-months and it only takes one flamer to
give you a black eye. Now I'm not using eBay. (gotta though) ...bill in
Oregon (weg98)
==========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:54 PM
To: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com; spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller

Vigil, I have bought items from him a couple times.  Everything about the 
transaction was good with the exception of the two things you mentioned.  He

is terrible about answering emails and he is a slooow shipper.  Other than 
that, you get what you paid for -- just don't buy something you need soon.

As for his explanation, he probably deserves to be railed at a bit for his 
very poor customer service.  Despite what he says about not being a 
business, when you sell on eBay you ARE a business and should treat it as 
such.  After 3400+ sales that goes triple.

Larry (100% Rating)

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 15:18:42 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:18:42 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <E2407983360C49FD86BAF67316071815@TAIRS>
References: <C51B717C.1A3BB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<E2407983360C49FD86BAF67316071815@TAIRS>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810151418m24d9018bo8db9f18cf23ec47b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not so sure of that, Guy.  He didn't say what amplifier value he used.
Is that Peak or Root Mean Square?  Expiring minds Billy.......

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Guy R Day <grday at btinternet.com> wrote:

> There are some answers to questions on this list that are worth waiting
> months to read.
>
> I have just read one...  LOL .... LOL ...
>
> Guy R Day
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
> To: <corvallis at peoplepc.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
>
>
>  I'm given to understand that horsepower is to be kilowatt-hours in a
>> metric
>> world. ..bill in Oregon
>>
> One HP is 746 watts. My guitar amplifier puts out approximately .075
> horsepower.
>
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 15:19:47 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <44A4AE96-9BCB-4A1C-9DC5-E51B685AD5E2@comcast.net>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
	<C84A1BAD-4DEC-41FE-9117-C30917C5F4B0@comcast.net>
	<48F64678.7090809@frontiernet.net>
	<44A4AE96-9BCB-4A1C-9DC5-E51B685AD5E2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810151419q637aec45g2382cee1f3a0a298@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Lester <oldsaabguy at comcast.net> wrote:

> Nah, it was fast enough

<snip>

Especially when you came to the corners, eh?   ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 15:47:46 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:47:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810151419q637aec45g2382cee1f3a0a298@mail.gmail.com>
References: <205cef430810150239x5e3d9ab9ya2bbbc65b4c21561@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7D49EB9EF83413CB1D500CE6858862E@spider>
	<C84A1BAD-4DEC-41FE-9117-C30917C5F4B0@comcast.net>
	<48F64678.7090809@frontiernet.net>
	<44A4AE96-9BCB-4A1C-9DC5-E51B685AD5E2@comcast.net>
	<43840a7e0810151419q637aec45g2382cee1f3a0a298@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <849436A9-684F-4F14-A4CE-6EEA74BD8C17@comcast.net>

Actually not too bad in the corners, VERY wide tires (for that time),  
Dad also put in an anti-roll bar, I can honestly tell you that it  
will out corner a state police narcotics car of the that time.  FYI  
it is not a good thing to embrass undercover narcotics folks in their  
pursuit vehicle as they will tell their cop buddies that you must be  
a drug smuggler to have a car so fast so you get to meet all of their  
buddies.. but I digress...I can tell you it's worst was the flying- 
over-the-berm thing , causes the metal to exceed it's limit of  
plastic deformation..  but the girl was REAL cute..

lester


On Oct 15, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Jim Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Lester <oldsaabguy at comcast.net>  
> wrote:
> Nah, it was fast enough
> <snip>
>
> Especially when you came to the corners, eh?   ;-)
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 15 17:09:11 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:09:11 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F36802F4E1F8FD88778D6CCB8300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEGMEDAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor poured
would cost?>>

10K is CHEAP compared to what it would be around here, RD !!

<<My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the driveway,
at the lowest point.>>

And GOOD contractors would see that immediately.

<<I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest parts, and
then pour over it.>>

Not if he is in his right mind and is reputable !!

<<The guy who came to give me an estimate last night was actually
recommending raising the driveway as well to help with my problem.>>

For the pic (link) you included plus the others ones I've seen, SMART man.

<<So, he was recommending cutting out the old concrete, adding a base and
then pouring 4 inches of concrete.>>

I would prefer 5" WITH re-bar AND mesh.

And the old sh*t HAS to go!!  Absolutely ZERO difference from painting a
car!!  PREP work IS the MOST important part<G>!!

<<  I'm told that it's roughly 580 square feet.
( But, I think it is roughly 21 x 23. ) >>

For that AREA - 483CF.  BUT you should ask where the other 97cfs go<G>!!

<< I wasn't impressed with his decision to tell me what needed to be done
instead of quoting on what I wanted done

I am.  Now you tell me, are you going to allow AND accept him doing "your"
spec'ed job and prior to him doing the job, appear in Court and accept
a Decree that once job is finished according to YOUR specs, he is forever
more relieved of any responsibly for his work and product?!?!?!

<<and the price just floored me. >>

If you are willing to do above, call him back (and explain) and request a
"new" price (which will be quite a bit "cheaper").  Course he may be
UN-willing to even consider as his "Name" is still linked to the job.

If not, IMHO you should not be 'floored'<G>!!

Ed
(ex-building contractor)

From grday at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 15 16:29:29 2008
From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:29:29 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
References: <C51B717C.1A3BB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<E2407983360C49FD86BAF67316071815@TAIRS>
	<43840a7e0810151418m24d9018bo8db9f18cf23ec47b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E36CF6DF48546F2ABB29F4545D21BA6@TAIRS>

I just took it as....
Amplifier power efficiency
The electrical efficiency of an electronic amplifier is the ratio of mean
output power to mean input power. As discussed, if the output is resistive,
the mean output power can be found using the RMS values of output current and
voltage signals. However, the mean value of the current should be used to
calculate the input power. That is, the power delivered by the amplifier
supplied by constant voltage VCC is


where IQ is the amplifier's operating current. Clearly, because VCC is
constant, the time average of Pinput depends on the time average value of Iout
and not its RMS value. That is,



So you see it wasn't the Root Mean Square value.

(With thanks and acknowledgement to Wikipedia)  and it's my bed-time over
here!

Guy R Day




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Johnson
  To: Guy R Day
  Cc: Billy Zoom ; spridgets at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math


  I'm not so sure of that, Guy.  He didn't say what amplifier value he used.
Is that Peak or Root Mean Square?  Expiring minds Billy.......

  Cheers!!
  Jim


  On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Guy R Day <grday at btinternet.com> wrote:

    There are some answers to questions on this list that are worth waiting
months to read.

    I have just read one...  LOL .... LOL ...

    Guy R Day



    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
    To: <corvallis at peoplepc.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:07 PM
    Subject: Re: [Spridgets] converting engine size math



      I'm given to understand that horsepower is to be kilowatt-hours in a
metric
      world. ..bill in Oregon

    One HP is 746 watts. My guitar amplifier puts out approximately .075
    horsepower.

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From p.herder at cox.net  Wed Oct 15 16:36:42 2008
From: p.herder at cox.net (Paul Herder)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:36:42 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
In-Reply-To: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c92f16$7f5f7c80$7e1e7580$@herder@cox.net>

After reading all the negatives HE HAS LEFT HIS PURCHASERS, I wouldn't deal
with him...

Paul


-----Original Message-----
 
Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?
 
He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people who
did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond
to
emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.
 
Vigil
_______________________________________________

From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 17:11:03 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <200810150952888.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <229065.20504.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:
>          I worked on a guy's race car with alternator
> and was 
> shocked, literally, because he had the wrong switch.

It was the right switch until another guy wired the alternator.

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 17:27:58 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:27:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <89392736CBA3459AA14E8A2CF3A7CBF6@TRACY>
Message-ID: <302959.76385.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tracy,
Try a little harder to think like a stranger in a strange land and you may get
the E Clips to work after all.  Have no idea what I meant by that, but felt
the need to acknowledge your lack of grockiness and try to help in some small
way. 
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net> wrote:

From: Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
To: "'David Riker'" <davriker at nwi.net>, lindalnhvt at nhvt.net,
spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:16 AM

So is the recommendation to use circlips?  I cannot grock how to get the
"E"
clips on.  Jeeeze what a poor fit.  I am confident that if I use the
"E"
clips I will bugger up the assembly process.  I am missing one thin washer.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
David Riker
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 8:26 PM
To: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes

There is very likely a thin "C" clip or circlip holding the wheel
cylinder
to the backing plate.  It doesn't hold the cylinder as tightly as the
"E"
spring clip does, but then again I can never get the darn e clips to work.
David

----- Original Message -----
From: <lindalnhvt at nhvt.net>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes


> Another request to the list that knows, please...
> I'm trying to replace the brake cylinder on the left rear (drums) of
my 66
> Sprite.  I have it all apart with shoes, springs all free. I see no
> obvious clip on the back of the old cylinder, just a very slight raised
> edge, not close to the thickness of the new spring clip. Fluid line
> already free, bleeder removed.  I can make the cylinder rock slightly, but
> can't get it out. BTW, do I remember past threads about an easier
method
> than the spring clip thingy to hold the new one in?
> I've had my head stuffed in the wheel well long enough!
> TIA
> Dick B.
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From d.swanson at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 15 17:41:25 2008
From: d.swanson at earthlink.net (Dean Swanson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill Switch
Message-ID: <71BB755EF38543A38C42B0EDBF9CB857@HomeComputer>

Isn't there an issue that a car with an alternator will keep running
(non-electric ignition) even if you disconnect one of the battery cables
because the alternator will continue to energize itself and the ignition
circuit?

From nases at verizon.net  Wed Oct 15 18:39:05 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:39:05 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye ignition switch
Message-ID: <3F656821-CC30-4465-B772-0546DD58C5AE@verizon.net>

Should the bugeye ignition key switch have 3 positions of off, on and  
accessory?  Mine has those three positions on the back for the wires  
but the key seems to only have 2 positions.

I checked all the wiring tonight then hooked up the battery.   
Everything seems to work although I was stumped for awhile.  It really  
helps to have fuses in the block!  No smoke came out of the harness so  
I should be good.  Put oil in the diff too with no leaks so I had a  
good evening.

I may get to fire the engine this weekend.  Although not a brand new  
engine I plan to treat it like one since it hasn't been run in many  
years.  I know there is a procedure for this can someone post again  
what it is?  After I get oil pressure what rpms for how long,  when to  
change the oil and retorque the head.

Thanks.

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 15 18:44:02 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:44:02 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <AC23ACAC575E4F3194F98B72E64A681C@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <C51BDC62.1A3FB%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Yup!
Yep!

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 15 18:49:41 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:49:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <48F64678.7090809@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <C51BDDB5.1A3FD%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Only if it's a Hemi
All modern cars are hemis.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 15 18:56:28 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:56:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810151418m24d9018bo8db9f18cf23ec47b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C51BDF4C.1A401%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Is that Peak or Root Mean Square?
RMS at verge of clipping @ 1Khz.

From cclabaw at juno.com  Wed Oct 15 18:55:41 2008
From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:55:41 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
Message-ID: <20081015.175541.20258.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

Listers -

I found that a tiny half-circle "Dremel'd" into the inner edge of the clip to
clear the bleed screw made the job do-able.

Clay L.
'67 Sprite


-- David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Tracy,
Try a little harder to think like a stranger in a strange land and you may
get
the E Clips to work after all.  Have no idea what I meant by that, but felt
the need to acknowledge your lack of grockiness and try to help in some small
way.
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net> wrote:

From: Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
To: "'David Riker'" <davriker at nwi.net>, lindalnhvt at nhvt.net,
spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:16 AM

So is the recommendation to use circlips?  I cannot grock how to get the
"E"
clips on.  Jeeeze what a poor fit.  I am confident that if I use the
"E"
clips I will bugger up the assembly process.  I am missing one thin washer.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
David Riker
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 8:26 PM
To: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes

There is very likely a thin "C" clip or circlip holding the wheel
cylinder
to the backing plate.  It doesn't hold the cylinder as tightly as the
"E"
spring clip does, but then again I can never get the darn e clips to work.
David

----- Original Message -----
From: <lindalnhvt at nhvt.net>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes


> Another request to the list that knows, please...
> I'm trying to replace the brake cylinder on the left rear (drums) of
my 66
> Sprite.  I have it all apart with shoes, springs all free. I see no
> obvious clip on the back of the old cylinder, just a very slight raised
> edge, not close to the thickness of the new spring clip. Fluid line
> already free, bleeder removed.  I can make the cylinder rock slightly, but
> can't get it out. BTW, do I remember past threads about an easier
method
> than the spring clip thingy to hold the new one in?
> I've had my head stuffed in the wheel well long enough!
> TIA
> Dick B.
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 15 19:10:32 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] converting engine size math
In-Reply-To: <7E36CF6DF48546F2ABB29F4545D21BA6@TAIRS>
Message-ID: <C51BE298.1A406%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> The electrical efficiency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_efficiency>
> of an electronic amplifier <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_amplifier>
> is the ratio of mean output power to mean input power.
We were discussing output power, not efficiency. You can't calculate the
efficiency of my amp without knowing the displacement.
Also, Wikipedia is written by insomniacs who know very little aside from the
fact that they can't sleep and they're bored.
BZ

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 15 19:11:51 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:11:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <302959.76385.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C51BE2E7.1A408%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> think like a stranger
We Grok. Share water, brother.

From cmlove at knology.net  Wed Oct 15 19:28:08 2008
From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:28:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Seat Rails question...
Message-ID: <1224120488.21720.4.camel@linux4monty>

I just bought a pair of seat rails and one of the bolts on one side is
stripped and rusted.  Can that bolt be removed and replaced without
messing up the rail?  Or do you cut it off and weld on another?

From herby at herbytoys.com  Wed Oct 15 20:20:45 2008
From: herby at herbytoys.com (Herby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:20:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
In-Reply-To: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F7BAAF65FEC44C6A9036D6348FB0DBA7@HERBYZ>

Vigil,

I have heard and seen all the complaints. I know bugyeyv8, He lives here
locally to me. I have purchased many things from him via ebay, craigslist
and just calling him to ask if he has something I need. He is not running a
full on business, he just runs across cars, parts cars and parts and resells
them. I will agree he does lag in shipping stuff and sometimes he is slow to
respond to emails phone calls, etc. Gerard just bought a 210 5 speed from
him and had these same issues. Gerard called me and asked about him. I ended
up getting in touch with him and picking it up for Gerard. I can say he is a
real car guy and always has a project going, either his or someone elses. I
know you don't know me but I will vouch for him as an honest guy, If not an
overly responsive ebay seller.

Just my 2 worthless copper discs.

Herby
63 MKII Sprite (Herbytoy - patiently waiting)
62 MKII Sprite (the "resto-mod" driver)
00 Dakota R/T (the new toy)
herby at herbytoys.com
www.herbytoys.com

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:44 PM
To: spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller

 
Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?
 
He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people who
did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond
to
emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.
 
Vigil
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From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 20:26:18 2008
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:26:18 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Seat Rails question...
In-Reply-To: <1224120488.21720.4.camel@linux4monty>
References: <1224120488.21720.4.camel@linux4monty>
Message-ID: <b777e2be0810151926l31593bf0h2c4d2d7c36aa3408@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Monty Love <cmlove at knology.net> wrote:

> I just bought a pair of seat rails and one of the bolts on one side is
> stripped and rusted.  Can that bolt be removed and replaced without
> messing up the rail?  Or do you cut it off and weld on another?



I usually just drill it out and replace it with a bolt. It is not difficult
to get a wrench on it when you install the seat...
-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1973 Midget - donor card signed in front of a notary!

From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 20:34:56 2008
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:34:56 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <3F656821-CC30-4465-B772-0546DD58C5AE@verizon.net>
References: <3F656821-CC30-4465-B772-0546DD58C5AE@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <b777e2be0810151934j78c49a5es8efd31bf63cc37c0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Phil Nase <nases at verizon.net> wrote:

> I may get to fire the engine this weekend.  Although not a brand new engine
> I plan to treat it like one since it hasn't been run in many years.  I know
> there is a procedure for this can someone post again what it is?  After I
> get oil pressure what rpms for how long,  when to change the oil and
> retorque the head.
>
Pull the spark plugs and shoot some oil into the cylinders. Pull the coil
wire off and crank the engine over until you get oil pressure showing on the
gauge. Reconnect the coil wire and fire the engine! The RPMs thing for 30
minutes is for breaking in a new camshaft. If you did not replace the cam or
lifters, no need to perform this step... If you freshened up the engine
(rings and bearing, etc.) change the oil after 1 hour running time and then
at 500 miles while you retorque the head.
-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1973 Midget - donor card signed in front of a notary!

From spritenut at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 20:49:45 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:49:45 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Seat Rails question...
In-Reply-To: <1224120488.21720.4.camel@linux4monty>
References: <1224120488.21720.4.camel@linux4monty>
Message-ID: <48F6ABC9.1080801@comcast.net>

Monty Love wrote:
> I just bought a pair of seat rails and one of the bolts on one side is
> stripped and rusted.  Can that bolt be removed and replaced without
> messing up the rail?  Or do you cut it off and weld on another?
> _______________________________________________
>   
That bolt is really a stud.
You can drill it out or sometimes beat it out and just use a new bolt 
but the head of the bolt will interfere with the seat
adjustment (travel) I weld in a new bolt then grind off the head to as 
thin as possible and that works fine.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From spritenut at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 20:52:34 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:52:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <3F656821-CC30-4465-B772-0546DD58C5AE@verizon.net>
References: <3F656821-CC30-4465-B772-0546DD58C5AE@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48F6AC72.6070503@comcast.net>

Phil

Pull the banjo bolt just above the oil pressure gauge pipe on the block, 
pour an ounce or 2 of oil down that hole in the block.
This primes the oil pump. Pull the plugs and crank it over for a good 30 
seconds.
The oil pressure may not show on the gauge from cranking but replace the 
plugs and fire it up with an eye on the oil gauge.
If no pressure in a few seconds of running, shut it down.
>


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct 15 23:08:55 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:08:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Gulp valve...
Message-ID: <48F669F7.21588.15E287D@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Somebody was looking for a Gulp Valve (the flying saucer thingy!!)
ebay #110297939448

NFI and the usual yada yada

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From bighealey at charter.net  Thu Oct 16 06:26:46 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:26:46 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <C51BE2E7.1A408%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <BA5CD72C0F064D25A785B35CCFDE134C@TRACY>

http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/eclip.htm

Ah ha

BUT I will go get circlips anyway.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Zoom [mailto:billyzoom at billyzoom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:12 PM
To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com; 'David Riker'; lindalnhvt at nhvt.net;
spridgets at autox.team.net; Tracy Drummond
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes

> think like a stranger
We Grok. Share water, brother.

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 16 06:43:54 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:43:54 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <302959.76385.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F359A77DAC685086F35F0DAB8330@phx.gbl>

I think that the proper spelling is 'grok'?

I had to look it up.  ": to understand profoundly and intuitively"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grok


----Original Message Follows----
From: David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>

Tracy,
Try a little harder to think like a stranger in a strange land and you may 
get
the E Clips to work after all.  Have no idea what I meant by that, but felt
the need to acknowledge your lack of grockiness and try to help in some 
small
way.
  - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net> wrote:

From: Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
To: "'David Riker'" <davriker at nwi.net>, lindalnhvt at nhvt.net,
spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:16 AM

So is the recommendation to use circlips?  I cannot grock how to get the
"E"
clips on.  Jeeeze what a poor fit.  I am confident that if I use the
"E"
clips I will bugger up the assembly process.  I am missing one thin washer.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+bighealey=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
David Riker
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 8:26 PM
To: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes

There is very likely a thin "C" clip or circlip holding the wheel
cylinder
to the backing plate.  It doesn't hold the cylinder as tightly as the
"E"
spring clip does, but then again I can never get the darn e clips to work.
David

----- Original Message -----
From: <lindalnhvt at nhvt.net>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes


 > Another request to the list that knows, please...
 > I'm trying to replace the brake cylinder on the left rear (drums) of
my 66
 > Sprite.  I have it all apart with shoes, springs all free. I see no
 > obvious clip on the back of the old cylinder, just a very slight raised
 > edge, not close to the thickness of the new spring clip. Fluid line
 > already free, bleeder removed.  I can make the cylinder rock slightly, 
but
 > can't get it out. BTW, do I remember past threads about an easier
method
 > than the spring clip thingy to hold the new one in?
 > I've had my head stuffed in the wheel well long enough!
 > TIA
 > Dick B.

From bighealey at charter.net  Thu Oct 16 07:06:50 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:06:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <BA5CD72C0F064D25A785B35CCFDE134C@TRACY>
Message-ID: <C51B4112F7A64AA3904AD0BD86356957@TRACY>

What do you call the wave washer that sits between the backing plate and
circlip and what are the dimensions for both?

Longshot - where can I get a washer like the originals?

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Drummond
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 5:27 AM
To: 'Billy Zoom'; tncarnut1 at yahoo.com; 'David Riker'; lindalnhvt at nhvt.net;
spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes

http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/eclip.htm

Ah ha

BUT I will go get circlips anyway.

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

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From: Billy Zoom [mailto:billyzoom at billyzoom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:12 PM
To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com; 'David Riker'; lindalnhvt at nhvt.net;
spridgets at autox.team.net; Tracy Drummond
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes

> think like a stranger
We Grok. Share water, brother.
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From bpazur at excel.net  Thu Oct 16 07:52:27 2008
From: bpazur at excel.net (Bud Pazur)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:52:27 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] What An Erudite List!
Message-ID: <200810161352.m9GDqRBV005054@green.excel.net>

A quote from a great Warren Zevon song, one from one of my favorite movies
(The Sentinel), and one from one of greatest Heinlein sci fi novels. Too
cool! Where else would you find such Sprite expertise and tremendous
intellectual wit (well, for the most part).

Bud Pazur

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 16 07:59:55 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:59:55 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] concrete question
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081015150409.04a30ff0@littlebitcountry.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F35AEF3B836ADDF006135F8B8330@phx.gbl>

That is correct.  The garage is an add-on; most likely "owner built"..  But, 
we wouldn't want access from the garage to the ground floor into our kitchen 
or dining room anyway.

If money were no object, ( and it often seems like it is, cause I can't find 
it ).  I would prop the garage up, put a full foundation under it and raise 
it about 8 inches.  I think that this one only goes down about 2 feet which 
really isn't good enough in this country.  And, yeah, the roof could stand 
replacing.  Apparently according to the neighbour, it's been like that for 
30 years, but it does concern me.  I figured that I would start from the 
bottom and work my way up.  But, while not pleasing to the eye, the sag at 
the garage door doesn't seem to be a problem.  But, if I ever get to replace 
the roof, I'll get that fixed too.  You might understand that the garage is 
not a high priority for my wife.

Also unfortunate, is that the properties around mine are terraced, for lack 
of a better word.  The neighbour's property next to the driveway and garage 
drains onto mine.  Then I drain off onto 3 other properties.  My own yard 
has several levels.  
http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/house/1970altavista3.jpg



----Original Message Follows----
From: Dave Yealy <lbc at littlebitcountry.com>

I'm guessing here, there is no entrance into the house from the garage ?
You will need a 20" high retaining wall towards your neighbors on the left 
and then tear down the existing garage, raise the driveway 16" to be level 
with the existing front yard then raise the foundation of the garage and 
then build a new garage. This would give you access to the garage from 
inside the house. This would also eliminate the "lake effect" you have now. 
The sag of the ridge line and garage door shows there are major problems 
somewhere or very poor construction.
Or you could get inventive and lift/raise the garage and put a new 
foundation under it and fix the sagging roofline.
Cost approx. = Little more than $10G but better off in the long run.

Dave



At 10:43 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote:
>Who would like to venture a guess at what having a concrete floor poured 
>would cost?
>
>My floor is crumbly and about 2.5 inches too low compared to the driveway, 
>at the lowest point.
>
>I figured, that someone would rough it up to remove the loosest parts, and 
>then pour over it.  The guy who came to give me an estimate last night was 
>actually recommending raising the driveway as well to help with my problem.
>So, he was recommending cutting out the old concrete, adding a base and 
>then pouring 4 inches of concrete.  I'm told that it's roughly 580 square 
>feet.
>( But, I think it is roughly 21 x 23. )  I wasn't impressed with his 
>decision to tell me what needed to be done instead of quoting on what I 
>wanted done and the price just floored me.  ( pun intended )
>
>http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/MyLake%202.jpg

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 16 10:30:16 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:30:16 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill Switch
Message-ID: <d28.35676c67.3628c618@aol.com>

That's why you wire the alternator through the kill switch!!!
 
In a message dated 16/10/2008 00:41:44 GMT Daylight Time,  
d.swanson at earthlink.net writes:

Isn't  there an issue that a car with an alternator will keep  running
(non-electric ignition) even if you disconnect one of the battery  cables
because the alternator will continue to energize itself and the  ignition
circuit?

From 60bugeye at cebridge.net  Thu Oct 16 12:25:30 2008
From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
In-Reply-To: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c92fbc$9265ec00$b731c400$@net>

I didnt have any problems dealing with him other than the slow replies to
e-mail. And I do mean slow..

Leo

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:44 PM
To: spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller


Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?

He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people who
did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond
to
emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.

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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 16 13:36:01 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:36:01 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
Message-ID: <c0c.492f83d4.3628f1a1@aol.com>

To be honest I think it's actually called a wavy washer!
 
In a message dated 16/10/2008 14:07:05 GMT Daylight Time,  
bighealey at charter.net writes:

What do  you call the wave washer 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 16 13:37:19 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:37:19 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC Re: FW: A Put Down
Message-ID: <c28.431050d6.3628f1ef@aol.com>

For those that don't know him, Major General Peter  Cosgrove is an 
'Australian treasure!'

General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio  recently.
You'll love his reply to the lady who interviewed him  concerning guns and 
children. 
Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you  gotta love this! This is one 
of the best comeback  
lines of all time. It is a portion of an ABC  interview between a female 
broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to  sponsor a Boy Scout Troop 
visiting his military headquarters.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
So, General Cosgrove, what things  are you going to teach these young boys 
when they visit your  base?

GENERAL COSGROVE:
We're going to teach them climbing,  canoeing, archery and shooting.

FEMALE  INTERVIEWER: 
Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?

GENERAL COSGROVE:
I don't see why, they'll be properly  supervised on the rifle range.

FEMALE  INTERVIEWER:
Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous  activity to be teaching 
children?

GENERAL  COSGROVE:
I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle  discipline before 
they even touch a firearm.

FEMALE  INTERVIEWER:
But you're equipping them to become violent  killers.
GENERAL COSGROVE:
Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a  prostitute, but you're not one, are you?

The radio went silent and the  interview ended.

From nory1 at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct 16 14:28:31 2008
From: nory1 at roadrunner.com (Nory)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:28:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
Message-ID: <3EA349EE-4173-4E11-9ED6-8EE8C48F3597@roadrunner.com>

I have a friend who is planning to store her Miata for the winter.   
Are there any measures she should take upon parking it for the season?

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 16 14:59:38 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
References: <3EA349EE-4173-4E11-9ED6-8EE8C48F3597@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <A6C19456D8394A52BB0EA78B8079378A@NilesAD.von.gov>

>I have a friend who is planning to store her Miata for the winter.   Are 
>there any measures she should take upon parking it for the season?

Nory,
Yes. A lot depends on the storage facility. Is it heated? Can she plug in a 
float charger?
She should change the oil just before storage and fill the gas tank (a full 
gas tank provides less inside surface for condensation and therefore rust). 
Use a float charger on the battery if possible, otherwise disconnect; if the 
facility is not heated, take the battery home with you and keep it from 
freezing. Plug the exhaust pipe to avoid critters nesting inside. Dryer 
sheets inside the car will help keep away bugs. Some dessicant packets would 
also be a good idea.  A friend of mine in the local Miata club has a 
complete dissertation on the process, so I will look that up and post it for 
you when I get a chance.
David Lieb 

From shelden3 at pldi.net  Thu Oct 16 15:21:17 2008
From: shelden3 at pldi.net (Charlie)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:21:17 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
References: <3EA349EE-4173-4E11-9ED6-8EE8C48F3597@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c92fd5$218120e0$6501a8c0@housexemkv1xcx>

I would add that when he fills it with gas to not use E85 if at all 
possible.  E-85 attracts moisture, and when storing for long periods it gets 
worse.  If that is all you have in your area then please use stabile 
treatment as well.

charlie 


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From thcollin at mtu.edu  Thu Oct 16 16:31:57 2008
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:31:57 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Transmission Guru's - HELP
Message-ID: <799knl$4qvn6p@email.mtu.edu>

I am working on a 1275 gearbox with the serial number 42148L. I 
removed the side cover and found something that my manuals don't 
document. On the right side of the gearbox side cover opening I find 
the two springs as they should be. Below the lower spring is a cover 
stud. Below that in the bottom right corner is a hole that is drilled 
slightly upward to the lower selector shaft. Also someone (factory, 
DPO ??) cut into that hole with a hacksaw like tool. There were no 
springs or balls in the hole. I would like to know if this was 
original or not and if it is, what is the function of that hole? Here's a pic:
  http://www.geocities.com/thcmtu/
Thanks!

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu  Thu Oct 16 17:19:42 2008
From: mark.a.oneil at dartmouth.edu (Mark A. O'Neil)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:19:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Seat Rails question...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1224180002.23122.spridgets@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1224180002.23122.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <9F5552DB-958F-4BA6-A00F-C55D18A15979@dartmouth.edu>

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:28 Monty Love <cmlove at knology.net> wrote:
> ...Can that bolt be removed and replaced without messing up the rail?
> Or do you cut it off and weld on another?


That is what I did ... ground out the broken bolt welded in a new one  
and ground it down so it was the same height.

-m

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Thu Oct 16 17:23:02 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <c0a.4977122b.36277c3d@aol.com>
References: <c0a.4977122b.36277c3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <04658CE7B4AC44C0B7E3CB41FE76B4EF@Home>

> The big resistor is there to stop the rectifier diodes in the alternator
> frying/self destructing when the switch is thrown with the engine running 
> at an
> rpm above the alternator kick-in rpm.  The resistor is a biggy.

This makes a lot of sense.

So what happens when you rev the engine up and turn off the key, which is 
exactly the same situation?  The alternator is alternating with nowhere to 
dump the current.  Does the ignition also have a shunt?  Or is the 
alternator already protected in some way that makes the resistor 
unnecessary?  If so, this is an "old mechanic's tale."  My local speed shop 
has never heard of a 6-pole kill switch.  They just use an ordinary battery 
switch with the alternator included.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Thu Oct 16 17:25:25 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:25:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fw:  Kill switch
Message-ID: <9B6B4F2667654E818C068C4736388FF0@Home>

> The big resistor is there to stop the rectifier diodes in the alternator
> frying/self destructing when the switch is thrown with the engine running
>> at an
>> rpm above the alternator kick-in rpm.  The resistor is a biggy.

 This makes a lot of sense.

 So what happens when you rev the engine up and turn off the key, which is
 exactly the same situation?  The alternator is alternating with nowhere to
 dump the current.  Does the ignition also have a shunt?  Or is the
 alternator already protected in some way that makes the resistor
 unnecessary?  If so, this is an "old mechanic's tale."  My local speed shop
 has never heard of a 6-pole kill switch.  They just use an ordinary battery
 switch with the alternator included.

 Michael Rowe
 '74 Midget
 Long Island, NY

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 17:32:28 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
In-Reply-To: <3EA349EE-4173-4E11-9ED6-8EE8C48F3597@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <862040.40832.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Nory <nory1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> I have a friend who is planning to store her Miata for the
> winter.   
> Are there any measures she should take upon parking it for
> the season?

In the irrelevant to the question category...In 1989/90 when I got my 1st Miata after having had an MGB for 3 Albany NY winters, it was a winter paradise. I drove it every day in the mountains of New Mexico, with weekend excursions to Taos and Wolf Creek Pass ski areas. Put snow tires on it and it's a great winter car. The newer ones with the 45 series tires are awful, though.

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 16 17:34:39 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
In-Reply-To: <00b301c92fd5$218120e0$6501a8c0@housexemkv1xcx>
References: <3EA349EE-4173-4E11-9ED6-8EE8C48F3597@roadrunner.com>
	<00b301c92fd5$218120e0$6501a8c0@housexemkv1xcx>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP111994D8A3E9D146DE4E4EB8330@phx.gbl>

I read somewhere today that if you're storing in a heated facility, to leave
the gas tank as empty as possible, so that you can fill up with fresh gas in
the spring.

First time that I heard that.

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct 16 17:38:12 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:38:12 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
Message-ID: <SUWCL26MG08Ih7jtrSB00090027@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>

Roll up the windows, put up the top, use Stabil gas additive.  And of course,
print a picture for her wallet to look at during the winter.   But really, am
I the only one that loves wearing a coat and tobogan and driving in the snow
with the top down and heater up?

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From: "Nory" <nory1 at roadrunner.com>
To: "Spridgets List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: 10/16/08 4:28 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question

I have a friend who is planning to store her Miata for the winter.
Are there any measures she should take upon parking it for the season?
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From duncan at pondhop.com  Thu Oct 16 17:37:16 2008
From: duncan at pondhop.com (Duncan Sinclair)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:37:16 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
In-Reply-To: <04658CE7B4AC44C0B7E3CB41FE76B4EF@Home>
References: <c0a.4977122b.36277c3d@aol.com>
	<04658CE7B4AC44C0B7E3CB41FE76B4EF@Home>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJ13JjI2fhFHrY+8Rgx7QZTCgAAAEAAAAMD7Xz7mi2RAjq+Rk8LIwBwBAAAAAA==@pondhop.com>

<< So what happens when you rev the engine up and turn off the key, which is

exactly the same situation?  The alternator is alternating with nowhere to 
dump the current.  >>

When you turn off the key the alternator is still connected to the battery
so the energy dumps there. With a kill switch the batt and alt are not
connected so the energy needs somewhere to dump. Turning the key only kills
the ignition circuit, it does not break the main power feed from battery to
solenoid to alternator.

Thanks
Duncan

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Thu Oct 16 18:17:20 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:17:20 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
Message-ID: <5c5c01c92fed$b84b0a50$0168010a@mail2world.com>

And you can get them here:

www.mcmaster.com

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Weslake1330 at aol.com [Weslake1330 at aol.com]
>Sent: 10/16/2008 3:36:01 PM
>To: bighealey at charter.net;spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
>
>To be honest I think it's actually called a wavy washer!
> 
>In a message dated 16/10/2008 14:07:05 GMT Daylight Time, 
>bighealey at charter.net writes:
>
>What do you call the wave washer 
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 16 18:23:49 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
References: <5c5c01c92fed$b84b0a50$0168010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <7BC56539C6844A6794B82A8CC38465DA@midget>

>>To be honest I think it's actually called a wavy washer!

> And you can get them here:
> www.mcmaster.com

Chris,
Have pity on us! What is the part number???

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Thu Oct 16 18:35:53 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:35:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
Message-ID: <131a601c92ff0$4fc77ce0$116a010a@mail2world.com>

To be honest, I don't remember what size I ordered, as it was probably 5
or 6 years ago that I did the rear brakes. I want to say 5/8"ID, but
that's a SWAG at this point. But if you click on "Washers" under
"Fastening and sealing", you'll see the picture and link for wave
washers. 

Or type "wave washer" in the search box on the left.

They come in steel or stainless steel.

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: David Lieb [dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com]
>Sent: 10/16/2008 8:23:49 PM
>To: cbking at alum.rpi.edu;spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
>
>>>To be honest I think it's actually called a wavy washer!
>
>> And you can get them here:
>> www.mcmaster.com
>
>Chris,
>Have pity on us! What is the part number???
>.

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 18:50:23 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:50:23 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Retorqueing head
Message-ID: <101720080050.27559.48F7E14F0001A2F700006BA72216548686000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net>

What lb's do i retroque the head 50?
ryan

From trevor.jessie at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 19:08:46 2008
From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:08:46 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <131a601c92ff0$4fc77ce0$116a010a@mail2world.com>
References: <131a601c92ff0$4fc77ce0$116a010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <8c1781040810161808y1eb4290m1f16e1ad26115563@mail.gmail.com>

Belleville (sp?) washer

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Chris King <cbking at alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
> To be honest, I don't remember what size I ordered, as it was probably 5
> or 6 years ago that I did the rear brakes. I want to say 5/8"ID, but
> that's a SWAG at this point. But if you click on "Washers" under
> "Fastening and sealing", you'll see the picture and link for wave
> washers.
>
> Or type "wave washer" in the search box on the left.
>
> They come in steel or stainless steel.
>
> -=Chris
>
> Chris King
> http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/
>
> <-----Original Message----->
>>From: David Lieb [dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com]
>>Sent: 10/16/2008 8:23:49 PM
>>To: cbking at alum.rpi.edu;spridgets at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
>>
>>>>To be honest I think it's actually called a wavy washer!
>>
>>> And you can get them here:
>>> www.mcmaster.com

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 20:11:15 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
In-Reply-To: <8c1781040810161808y1eb4290m1f16e1ad26115563@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <735107.5701.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> > "wave washer" 

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Trevor Jessie <trevor.jessie at gmail.com> wrote:
> Belleville (sp?) washer

We have a winner! 
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 16 20:15:53 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:15:53 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
References: <735107.5701.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EEA50E8649394E28A57F07833E0093CE@midget>

>> > "wave washer"
>
> --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Trevor Jessie <trevor.jessie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Belleville (sp?) washer
>
> We have a winner!

But a belleville washer is domed, not wavy. McMaster has both belleville 
washers and wave washers. 

From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net  Thu Oct 16 20:23:30 2008
From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:23:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] accelerator lever
Message-ID: <50180.72.71.229.10.1224210210.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>

I have the accelerator lever(connects cable through lever to link to
pedal) from a 74 Midget to put in my bugeye, but it is too short. It needs
to bolt through two swivel brackets into captive nuts on firewall and it
lacks an inch or two to reach both captive nuts. Anyone know where I can
get one to fit a bugeye?  It's shown, but not listed on pg 71 of VicBrit
catalog.
Thanks.
Dick B. in NH

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct 16 20:34:39 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:34:39 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
In-Reply-To: <SUWCL26MG08Ih7jtrSB00090027@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
References: <SUWCL26MG08Ih7jtrSB00090027@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
Message-ID: <48F7F9BF.8010708@frontiernet.net>

Not hardly!!!

Kate
>   But really, am
> I the only one that loves wearing a coat and tobogan and driving in the snow
> with the top down and heater up?

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 20:59:00 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes, now Grok
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F359A77DAC685086F35F0DAB8330@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <315250.9745.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Robert Duquette <robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote:
"I think that the proper spelling is 'grok'?"

Robert,
You're absolutely correct. Grok is the correct spelling. That fact came to me
shortly after I hit "send" - Oh well, my excuse is and will remain that it was
at least 20 years ago the last time I read that wonderful book. I'm much
better with quotes from old Monty Python (I Fart in your general direction!)
or Mel Brooks (What Knockers! Why Thank you Doctor) movies, or the first four
or so of the Casteneda books (I still walk with thumb to middle finger while
looking at the horizon, though I've pretty much given up trying to catch a
glimpse of Death over my left shoulder...), etc.
 
Yeah, I know I'm strange. Maybe that's part of why I drive a Spridget - I
don't give a crap if anybody is impressed, and I'm not trying to compensate
for a lack of anything.
 
 David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island
 

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 21:06:34 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:06:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] accelerator lever
In-Reply-To: <50180.72.71.229.10.1224210210.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>
References: <50180.72.71.229.10.1224210210.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>
Message-ID: <48F8013A.7020601@comcast.net>

lindalnhvt at nhvt.net wrote:
> I have the accelerator lever(connects cable through lever to link to
> pedal) from a 74 Midget to put in my bugeye, but it is too short. 

2 choices

Use a thick sheet metal screw on the shorter 74 pedal linkage because it 
is almost impossible to weld a captive nut inside that triangle
frame thing under the bonnet.
Or I can see if I have an extra one from a 58-67.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From bighealey at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 05:37:38 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:37:38 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
In-Reply-To: <3EA349EE-4173-4E11-9ED6-8EE8C48F3597@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <006984DCB0C740E6B49F1860A621DF75@TRACY>

http://healey.org/content/view/400/1/


Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nory
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:29 PM
To: Spridgets List
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question

I have a friend who is planning to store her Miata for the winter.   
Are there any measures she should take upon parking it for the season?
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Fri Oct 17 05:59:07 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:59:07 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
References: <006984DCB0C740E6B49F1860A621DF75@TRACY>
Message-ID: <1B72C57CD3CF4EBE932009FD6A9E5BA2@midget>

Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
> http://healey.org/content/view/400/1/

Gee, why does it sound as if they aren't sure they will ever take it back 
OUT of storage ;-) Sounds like they are preparing a time capsule. 

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 06:14:09 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:14:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
In-Reply-To: <1B72C57CD3CF4EBE932009FD6A9E5BA2@midget>
References: <006984DCB0C740E6B49F1860A621DF75@TRACY>
	<1B72C57CD3CF4EBE932009FD6A9E5BA2@midget>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810170514o7192149dka1185b7f1a00407b@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe because of the fact that most (notice I didn't say all, easy Tracy,
easy) Big Healey's only come out of storage. to be trailered to a show...

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:59 AM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
>
>> http://healey.org/content/view/400/1/
>>
>
> Gee, why does it sound as if they aren't sure they will ever take it back
> OUT of storage ;-) Sounds like they are preparing a time capsule.
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From bighealey at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 07:08:12 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:08:12 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810170514o7192149dka1185b7f1a00407b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B0FD77E654E4AD1B326886C0719E8D7@TRACY>

It's all good.  

Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Fornal
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:14 AM
To: David Lieb
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question

Maybe because of the fact that most (notice I didn't say all, easy Tracy,
easy) Big Healey's only come out of storage. to be trailered to a show...

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:59 AM, David Lieb
<dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
>
>> http://healey.org/content/view/400/1/
>>
>
> Gee, why does it sound as if they aren't sure they will ever take it back
> OUT of storage ;-) Sounds like they are preparing a time capsule.
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 08:45:36 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
In-Reply-To: <2B0FD77E654E4AD1B326886C0719E8D7@TRACY>
References: <e98d88090810170514o7192149dka1185b7f1a00407b@mail.gmail.com>
	<2B0FD77E654E4AD1B326886C0719E8D7@TRACY>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810170745x7d46c778o715129ee55791d8d@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW Tracy, we trailered our 68 Sprite to Lake of the Ozarks, due to
uncertainty in dependability. I had just put in a rebuilt drive train, and
had been troubleshooting small problems for a few weeks. In fact, the Sunday
before we left, I had the lump out, to replace a rear tranny seal. For the
most part, it has been trouble free. The only issue I had recently, was the
clutch fluid. New rebuilt White Post master, new (from Just Ed) slave and
flex line. Steel line removed and inspected, no rust or seepage anywhere.
But every few weeks, depending on how much weekend driving I would do, I'd
have to rebleed the system. FINALLY it dawned on me. The only new part NOT
in the system, was the copper crush washer. I have that in now, and will see
what the next few weeks bring.
Sorry to take so long to reply, I have the day off, and I was out driving in
the Sprite. Topped it off at $2.49 per, this am....

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net>wrote:

> It's all good.
>
> Tracy Drummond                  Gang Warily !
> President AHCUSA              www.healey.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Fornal
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:14 AM
> To: David Lieb
> Cc: Spridgets
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
>
> Maybe because of the fact that most (notice I didn't say all, easy Tracy,
> easy) Big Healey's only come out of storage. to be trailered to a show...
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:59 AM, David Lieb
> <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:
>
> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
> >
> >> http://healey.org/content/view/400/1/
> >>
> >
> > Gee, why does it sound as if they aren't sure they will ever take it back
> > OUT of storage ;-) Sounds like they are preparing a time capsule.
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jimndi at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct 17 10:31:31 2008
From: jimndi at frontiernet.net (Jim Fournier)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:31:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fall Hershey show
Message-ID: <44917BE892BB481F8C5EEF5D8EEE838F@HOMEPC>

Had the opportunity to attend the Hershey show this year and was surprised to
find not one Bugeye! Plenty of big Healeys with equally big price tags in the
car corral but not one bugeye. Don't they allow bugeyes in Pennsylvania??

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 17 10:47:41 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:47:41 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Fw:  Kill switch
Message-ID: <c09.4a585f50.362a1bad@aol.com>

If you use the 2 pole switch 2 things can happen when the switch is  switched:
 
    thing no 1 -  the engine doesn't stop (most  likely a dynamo car).
 
    thing no 2- the engine doesn't stop but the  alternator light comes on 
(diodes 
                    fried in  the alternator)
 
  I have first hand experience of a 2 pole switch and both  things.
 
With the 6 pole switch correctly wired, with the big resistor, only 1  thing 
can happen, irrespective of what the engine or alternator rpm  is - the engine 
shuts down.  When you re-set the switch and re-start  the engine the 
alternator light goes it and it works ok.
 
I'd look for a new speed shop.
 
Alternatively get the speed shop to throw the kill switch with an engine  
running at 4000rpm and see what happens. As a licensed scrutineer of many years  
experience I can assure that it's not unusual to have 2-3 cars a year that  
carry on running with the switch thrown.  Usually I'm the first scrutineer  to 
discover this because I'm the first one to have tested the kill switch with  
the engine running.
 
A race car with no dynamo or alternator clearly only needs a 2 pole switch  
but I'd still be looking for a new speed shop.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/10/2008 00:25:41 GMT Daylight Time,  
mdrowe at optonline.net writes:

> The  big resistor is there to stop the rectifier diodes in the alternator
>  frying/self destructing when the switch is thrown with the engine  running
>> at an
>> rpm above the alternator kick-in  rpm.  The resistor is a biggy.

This makes a lot of  sense.

So what happens when you rev the engine up and turn off the key,  which is
exactly the same situation?  The alternator is alternating  with nowhere to
dump the current.  Does the ignition also have a  shunt?  Or is the
alternator already protected in some way that makes  the resistor
unnecessary?  If so, this is an "old mechanic's  tale."  My local speed shop
has never heard of a 6-pole kill  switch.  They just use an ordinary battery
switch with the alternator  included.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island,  NY

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 17 10:51:19 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:51:19 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Kill switch
Message-ID: <ccb.3976e604.362a1c87@aol.com>

That's true with a 2 pole kill switch which is why 6 pole switches were  
invented - the ignition is wired through the switch.  On my 6 pole  switch turning 
the key cuts the power and the ignition and the engine stops  and everything 
electrical is off.
 
Anyone feel free to donate a video camera to me and I'll film it for  them!!!
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 17/10/2008 00:38:35 GMT Daylight Time,  duncan at pondhop.com 
writes:

With a  kill switch the batt and alt are not
connected so the energy needs  somewhere to dump. Turning the key only kills
the ignition circuit, it does  not break the main power feed from battery to
solenoid to  alternator.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 17 10:52:25 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:52:25 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, Miata question
Message-ID: <bcb.3a3e0af3.362a1cc9@aol.com>

I'd be interested in seeing you wearing a toboggan.  Is it very  restrictive?
 
In a message dated 17/10/2008 00:39:13 GMT Daylight Time,  
andrewpayne at intrex.net writes:

I the  only one that loves wearing a coat and tobogan 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 17 10:53:51 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:53:51 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
Message-ID: <bc3.372a92b2.362a1d1f@aol.com>

I think a belleville washer is a belleville washer at least in the  UK.  A 
wavy washer is just wavy
 
In a message dated 17/10/2008 02:09:10 GMT Daylight Time,  
trevor.jessie at gmail.com writes:

Belleville (sp?) washer

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Fri Oct 17 11:01:42 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:01:42 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Autocross Tomorrow
Message-ID: <E9A08BC3B8FA4F12AF53BF0D85A965E0@NilesAD.von.gov>

The Windy City Miata Club is hosting our last autocross of the season 
tomorrow at Maywood Park in Melrose Park, IL. More details at 
www.windycitymiataclub.com/autox
I am offering to cover the entrance fee for any Spridget that shows up.
David Lieb
1972 1960 1974 1973

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 17 11:06:47 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:06:47 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] silicone hose
Message-ID: <d03.45a95a83.362a2027@aol.com>

Hi List,
 
I've 2 enquirys about Silicone hoses for Vertical flow or Cross flow  
Spridgets and really need a couple more orders to make having a batch made  
worthwhile.  Anyone want a single hose (including the ? mark heater hose)  or a 
complete set in blue, black or purple, e-mail me off list for an order form  that has 
prices.  I might need to double check the prices depending on what  the 
exchange rate is like since I last amended the order form (possibly slightly  more 
in your favour).
 
Regards
 
 W e s l a k e 1330

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Fri Oct 17 11:28:50 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes
Message-ID: <2a31001c9307d$d1f1cda0$056a010a@mail2world.com>

And the wave waher is what you want. A Bellville would be too stiff - I
suspect even stiffer than the maligned E-clip!
 
-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ 

 <-----Original Message----->

 	  	 From: David Lieb [dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com]
Sent: 10/16/2008 10:14:53 PM
To: soavero at yahoo.com;spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Rear drum brakes 

>> > "wave washer" 
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Trevor Jessie <trevor.jessie at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> Belleville (sp?) washer 
> 
> We have a winner! 

But a belleville washer is domed, not wavy. McMaster has both belleville
washers and wave washers. 
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From doug_altman at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 12:12:44 2008
From: doug_altman at yahoo.com (Doug Altman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Looking for Oil Press./Water Temp. Gage
Message-ID: <243015.50290.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Before I start contacting some of the regular used parts suppliers, I thought
I would ask the list first if anyone has a working Smith's #GN 1502/01 they
would like to sell.  Doug Altman    ....o~'o
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 15:46:41 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Pat Moss passed away on Oct 14, 2008
In-Reply-To: <EKEAINGPLPLMGCBCJIDKKEGDDFAA.ronald-ray@sbcglobal.net>
References: <f3fd81ad47ef.48e65a0d@kc.surewest.net>
	<EKEAINGPLPLMGCBCJIDKKEGDDFAA.ronald-ray@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810171446kb64c0b5se7a20fac2162a890@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article4964575.ece

-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From spritenut at comcast.net  Fri Oct 17 17:01:58 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fall Hershey show
In-Reply-To: <44917BE892BB481F8C5EEF5D8EEE838F@HOMEPC>
References: <44917BE892BB481F8C5EEF5D8EEE838F@HOMEPC>
Message-ID: <48F91966.5080409@comcast.net>

Jim Fournier wrote:
> Had the opportunity to attend the Hershey show this year and was surprised to
> find not one Bugeye! Plenty of big Healeys with equally big price tags in the
> car corral but not one bugeye. Don't they allow bugeyes in Pennsylvania??
>
>   
I was in Pennsylvania with my Bugeye at the Philly MG car show.



-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From mhagopian at hoppetool.com  Sat Oct 18 00:24:02 2008
From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:24:02 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I was just wondering if someone could help me out with the speed I was
going... I have a stock 4spd tranny, 4.55 rear end, 7000rpm, and tires are
65" in circumference.

Thank you guys! I just installed a new rear axle because it was broken, and
I switched diffs to a 4.22 and when i removed the 4.55 a handfull of teeth
came out with it.

-- 
Sincerely,


Matt Hagopian

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sat Oct 18 04:57:25 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:57:25 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B884C2E033704B29AF3651B9079A486E@spider>

This is Dean's previous email on the subject. ...bill in oregon

===========================================================================
On Behalf Of Dean Hedin
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:09 PM
To: kk7ss at verizon.net; spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Speed vs RPM question...

Go to:
http://bgsoflex.com/auto.html

Then scroll down on the left to rpm range program...

Here is a sample output.  The key item is to go measure you tire diameter.

Differential Gear = 4.22 to 1 
Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1 
Tire Diameter (Inches) = 22.76 
Tire Growth Factor = 0.000100 (Inches/(MPH*MPH)) 
Computation Results:
Vehicle      Computed     Tire     Xmisssion
 MPH           RPM     Growth(In)    Eff (%)
--------------------------------------------------
 30.0         1862       0.09        100.0
 35.0         2170       0.12        100.0
 40.0         2476       0.16        100.0
 45.0         2780       0.20        100.0
 50.0         3082       0.25        100.0
 55.0         3383       0.30        100.0
 60.0         3681       0.36        100.0
 65.0         3977       0.42        100.0
 70.0         4271       0.49        100.0
 75.0         4562       0.56        100.0
 80.0         4850       0.64        100.0
 85.0         5135       0.72        100.0
 90.0         5416       0.81        100.0
 95.0         5695       0.90        100.0
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matt Hagopian
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:24 PM
To: Spridget List
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed

Hi, I was just wondering if someone could help me out with the speed I was
going... I have a stock 4spd tranny, 4.55 rear end, 7000rpm, and tires are
65" in circumference.

Thank you guys! I just installed a new rear axle because it was broken, and
I switched diffs to a 4.22 and when i removed the 4.55 a handfull of teeth
came out with it.

-- 
Sincerely,
Matt Hagopian
_______________________________________________

From duncan at pondhop.com  Sat Oct 18 05:06:30 2008
From: duncan at pondhop.com (Duncan Sinclair)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:06:30 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJ13JjI2fhFHrY+8Rgx7QZTCgAAAEAAAAK8HJbJr0sBNlpYn5ScwPUkBAAAAAA==@pondhop.com>

7000rpm / 1:1 / 4.22 = 1659 rpm a wheels
65" * 1659 * 60 min/hr / 12"/ft = 539,099 ft/hr
539,099 /  5280= 101.102 MPH

Thanks
Duncan


-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matt Hagopian
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 07:24
To: Spridget List
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed

Hi, I was just wondering if someone could help me out with the speed I was
going... I have a stock 4spd tranny, 4.55 rear end, 7000rpm, and tires are
65" in circumference.

Thank you guys! I just installed a new rear axle because it was broken, and
I switched diffs to a 4.22 and when i removed the 4.55 a handfull of teeth
came out with it.

-- 
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sat Oct 18 05:13:12 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
References: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>
	<B884C2E033704B29AF3651B9079A486E@spider>
Message-ID: <1C8831D273044856A930B887A59B0CB5@midget>

> Go to:
> http://bgsoflex.com/auto.html
> Then scroll down on the left to rpm range program...
> Here is a sample output.  The key item is to go measure your tire 
> diameter.

Since you already measured circumference, divide it by pi (3.1415) to get 
20.69 as a diameter.
with the 4.55 diff at 7000, that site indicates 95mph
with the 4.22 diff at 7000, that site indicates 102mph

Input Parameters Are the Following:
Differential Gear = 4.55 to 1
Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
Engine RPM = 7000
Computation Results:
Computed Vehicle MPH is 95

Input Parameters Are the Following:
Differential Gear = 4.22 to 1
Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
Engine RPM = 7000
Computation Results:
Computed Vehicle MPH is 102 

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sat Oct 18 07:01:01 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:01:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fall Hershey show
In-Reply-To: <48F91966.5080409@comcast.net>
References: <44917BE892BB481F8C5EEF5D8EEE838F@HOMEPC>
	<48F91966.5080409@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FCEA3E50-7E6A-4D75-BB17-FBC3F429D374@phillymgclub.com>

But that's not really an "Bugeye" It has that fancy non Buggie lamps  
bonnet on it. ;-)

Larry

On Oct 17, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Frank Clarici wrote:

> Jim Fournier wrote:
>> Had the opportunity to attend the Hershey show this year and was  
>> surprised to
>> find not one Bugeye! Plenty of big Healeys with equally big price  
>> tags in the
>> car corral but not one bugeye. Don't they allow bugeyes in  
>> Pennsylvania??
>>
>>
> I was in Pennsylvania with my Bugeye at the Philly MG car show.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a  
parked car.

From vern at srvinet.com  Sat Oct 18 07:20:09 2008
From: vern at srvinet.com (Vernon Olson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:20:09 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Ignition Sw.
Message-ID: <48F9E289.6020708@srvinet.com>

Does anyone have a good way of tightening the electrical posts on
the Ignition Sw?   On two different Sws. I have had one of the posts
get floppy and make poor contact.  I used a punch to flatten the rivet on
one, but got a little carried away and cracked the phenolic plate.  I am
wondering if it is possible to solder  the rivet and post together, but
am guessing I would need to use acid flux  which is hard to totally remove.
Any Clever solutions?
Vern

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Oct 18 08:27:55 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:27:55 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKECHEEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

>From a Bugeye List.
Proves Big Brother is alive and well in silly Kali-land.

Ed
******************************************************************* 
I have a question, for the guys in California.
I read a story about police raiding a Car Enthusiast Gathering
and ticket cars that have been modified. While parked.
They where tuner guys, is this a regular MO for CA Police?
This is the link to the story. Since some of BE owners prepare
their cars, for extra horsepower, handling etc,could they be fined also?

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/23/2302.asp

Thanks everyone
Michael
1961 Bugeye



__._,_.___ 

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 07:59:05 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:59:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKECHEEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <909328.65997.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Geez, Welcome to the People's Republic of California!  Next thing you know
they'll be arresting you for defending yourself from burglars with firearms. 
Oh wait... that's New York.
 
David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island
(missing Tennessee just a bit)
 
 

--- On Sat, 10/18/08, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

From: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
To: "Healeys at Autox.Team.Net" <healeys at autox.team.net>, "Mgs at Autox.Team.Net"
<mgs at autox.team.net>, Spridgets at autox.team.net
Cc: "9issa" <9issa at justbrits.com>
Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 9:27 AM

>From a Bugeye List.
Proves Big Brother is alive and well in silly Kali-land.

Ed
*******************************************************************
I have a question, for the guys in California.
I read a story about police raiding a Car Enthusiast Gathering
and ticket cars that have been modified. While parked.
They where tuner guys, is this a regular MO for CA Police?
This is the link to the story. Since some of BE owners prepare
their cars, for extra horsepower, handling etc,could they be fined also?

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/23/2302.asp

Thanks everyone
Michael
1961 Bugeye



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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Sat Oct 18 09:24:05 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:24:05 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
Message-ID: <1895f01c93135$8ee0e1a0$056a010a@mail2world.com>

Two things struck me:

1. it's all about revenue (spend $400,000 on enforcement, receive $10.5
million in fines and fees!)

2. It's also profiling. Most of these tuners are young and probably many
of them don't have the resources to defend themselves in court. I'd like
to see an article where they're targeting the 50-something enthusiast
who just dropped a 572 big block into his resto-mod '69 Camaro. Isn't
that the same thing?

-=Chris
Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Ed's Shop [shop at justbrits.com]
>Sent: 10/18/2008 10:27:55 AM
>To: healeys at autox.team.net;mgs at autox.team.net;Spridgets at autox.team.net
>Cc: 9issa at justbrits.com
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
>
>>From a Bugeye List.
>Proves Big Brother is alive and well in silly Kali-land.
>
>Ed
>******************************************************************* 
>I have a question, for the guys in California.
>I read a story about police raiding a Car Enthusiast Gathering
>and ticket cars that have been modified. While parked.
>They where tuner guys, is this a regular MO for CA Police?
>This is the link to the story. Since some of BE owners prepare
>their cars, for extra horsepower, handling etc,could they be fined
also?
>
>http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/23/2302.asp
>
>Thanks everyone
>Michael
>1961 Bugeye
>
>
>
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sat Oct 18 09:33:57 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:33:57 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
In-Reply-To: <1895f01c93135$8ee0e1a0$056a010a@mail2world.com>
References: <1895f01c93135$8ee0e1a0$056a010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <EB008AA5B1854CF98E5473C2F372CF0F@spider>

I call it Proactive Revenue Enhancement.  ...bill in Oregon

=============================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris King
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:24 AM
To: shop at justbrits.com
Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net; healeys at autox.team.net;
9issa at justbrits.com
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!

Two things struck me:

1. it's all about revenue (spend $400,000 on enforcement, receive $10.5
million in fines and fees!)

2. It's also profiling. Most of these tuners are young and probably many
of them don't have the resources to defend themselves in court. I'd like
to see an article where they're targeting the 50-something enthusiast
who just dropped a 572 big block into his resto-mod '69 Camaro. Isn't
that the same thing?

-=Chris
Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Ed's Shop [shop at justbrits.com]
>Sent: 10/18/2008 10:27:55 AM
>To: healeys at autox.team.net;mgs at autox.team.net;Spridgets at autox.team.net
>Cc: 9issa at justbrits.com
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
>
>>From a Bugeye List.
>Proves Big Brother is alive and well in silly Kali-land.
>
>Ed
>******************************************************************* 
>I have a question, for the guys in California.
>I read a story about police raiding a Car Enthusiast Gathering
>and ticket cars that have been modified. While parked.
>They where tuner guys, is this a regular MO for CA Police?
>This is the link to the story. Since some of BE owners prepare
>their cars, for extra horsepower, handling etc,could they be fined
also?
>
>http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/23/2302.asp
>
>Thanks everyone
>Michael
>1961 Bugeye

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 10:37:20 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:37:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
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Hey, David....

My engineering background tells me Dean and Duncan are on to something.
There will definitely be some tire circumference growth which changes the
tire diameter making it larger at higher speeds....  Where am I going wrong
with that thinking?  ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:13 AM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> Go to:
>> http://bgsoflex.com/auto.html
>> Then scroll down on the left to rpm range program...
>> Here is a sample output.  The key item is to go measure your tire
>> diameter.
>>
>
> Since you already measured circumference, divide it by pi (3.1415) to get
> 20.69 as a diameter.
> with the 4.55 diff at 7000, that site indicates 95mph
> with the 4.22 diff at 7000, that site indicates 102mph
>
> Input Parameters Are the Following:
> Differential Gear = 4.55 to 1
> Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
> Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
> Engine RPM = 7000
> Computation Results:
> Computed Vehicle MPH is 95
>
> Input Parameters Are the Following:
> Differential Gear = 4.22 to 1
> Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
> Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
> Engine RPM = 7000
> Computation Results:
> Computed Vehicle MPH is 102 _______________________________________________
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sat Oct 18 10:38:58 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:38:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
In-Reply-To: <1895f01c93135$8ee0e1a0$056a010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <C51F5F32.1A4CF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> I'd like
> to see an article where they're targeting the 50-something enthusiast
This only applies to vehicles with emissions controls. It's illegal to
change anything on a smogged engine if the car is driven on the street.
They're targeting young street racers, not fat old men.
They also set up roadblocks near my shop once or twice a year. I have to
keep an eye out for them because they'll flag down my red CRX every time.
It's not modified, but the inspection adds about a half hour to my drive
home, and there's always a discussion about the glass pack, which is
technically illegal since it modifies the exhaust, although the car still
passes the smog test with flying colors.
There are some serious street racers around here. The kid next door has a
Civic hatchback, with a turbo-charged Integra engine w/nitrous oxide
injection that does 10 sec. 1/4 miles, often on the street.
There have been a number of people killed around here by drag racers.
There are also quite a few fat old men with supercharged Bucket T's. I've
never seen any of them get pulled over, even though they're running straight
pipes, unless a cop wants to admire their car.
I've found the local authorities to be surprisingly tolerant when it comes
to restorers or hot-rodders, and there are LOTS of hot rods here in Orange
County.

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sat Oct 18 10:47:24 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:47:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKECHEEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKECHEEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <571876759.20081018094724@pacifier.com>

Hello Ed's,

     A few interesting points about that article.

     First, the date. This article is dated last April, so tho it is
     new to US, it is old news.

     Second, and most importantly, is that these kids seem to be
     completely unaware of the 5th ammendment's rights about self
     incrimination. The people at this event need not and should not
     have answered any questions put to them by the police. If they
     were NOT driving the car they should not have provided any
     written ID. The courts have made it quite clear that while you
     may not fail to give your name and address if asked by a police
     officer, there is NO LAW that says you have to CARRY written
     identification. And while the police may do a "sullivan" (pat
     down) search if they fear that a person is carrying weapons, they
     may NOT force you to empty your pockets. Thus it is legally
     impossible for them to "find" your driver's license. Answering
     the officer's questions can only lead to a bad outcome so other
     than name and address, that should be the only information
     provided to the police. This may be what happened in the case of
     the the twenty cars impounded?

     The site listed (http://www.thenewspaper.com) has articles about
     traffic, traffic enforcement, speed and red light cameras, stop
     searches, etc, from Australia, The U.K. and the U.S.A. and is one
     of MY daily reads. 

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Do unto others before they undo you.

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Oct 18 11:55:06 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:55:06 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
In-Reply-To: <909328.65997.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNMEDCEEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Next thing you know they'll be arresting you for defending yourself from
burglars with firearms.
Oh wait... that's New York.>>

Trust me David, Chicago/Cook Co. = ditto!!  I Chi it's illegal to even OWN a
hand gun!!  Be nice if somebody told the gangbangers, etc.<G>!

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sat Oct 18 10:55:11 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:55:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
In-Reply-To: <C51F5F32.1A4CF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
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Hello Billy,

     while it may be (IS?) a crime to modify or tamper with the
     emission systems of any car made after 1968 (?) there is no law
     about cars that did not originally have such systems. Thus, the
     CRX is fair game for the police, but Bucket T or other "hot rod"
     is not.

     your glass pack does nothing to modify the emissions system, so
     is not considered an illegal modification UNLESS it violates
     NOISE ordinances, OR you have replaced the catalytic converter
     with the glass pack.

     I have a K&N ramcharger intake on my daily driver. and tho it is
     a modification of the intake system it is NOT a modification of
     the emissions system, and in fact uses the factory mass flow
     sensor, so IS 50 state legal. Headers on a car fall into the same
     category 

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Astronauts get missile-toe.

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 10:55:43 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:55:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810180937j3aebf3d5l8a7b064079ca5da0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <226062.10507.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jim,
I know I'm not the David you asked, but my two cents worth says you're
probably correct.  Centrifugal force would have to deflect the tire diameter
outward as seen on rail dragsters during the burnout.  Would it be enough on a
belted street tire to increase the actual rolling diameter or would the weight
of the car and strength of the tire structure tend to negate the effect?  It's
beyond my ability to calculate, for sure.  If the diameter does increase, it
would definitely make the car's actual speed higher than the indicated (or
mathematically derived) speed.
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Sat, 10/18/08, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed
To: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 11:37 AM

Hey, David....

My engineering background tells me Dean and Duncan are on to something.
There will definitely be some tire circumference growth which changes the
tire diameter making it larger at higher speeds....  Where am I going wrong
with that thinking?  ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:13 AM, David Lieb
<dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> Go to:
>> http://bgsoflex.com/auto.html
>> Then scroll down on the left to rpm range program...
>> Here is a sample output.  The key item is to go measure your tire
>> diameter.
>>
>
> Since you already measured circumference, divide it by pi (3.1415) to get
> 20.69 as a diameter.
> with the 4.55 diff at 7000, that site indicates 95mph
> with the 4.22 diff at 7000, that site indicates 102mph
>
> Input Parameters Are the Following:
> Differential Gear = 4.55 to 1
> Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
> Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
> Engine RPM = 7000
> Computation Results:
> Computed Vehicle MPH is 95
>
> Input Parameters Are the Following:
> Differential Gear = 4.22 to 1
> Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
> Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
> Engine RPM = 7000
> Computation Results:
> Computed Vehicle MPH is 102
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From pythias at pacifier.com  Sat Oct 18 11:03:29 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <226062.10507.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0810180937j3aebf3d5l8a7b064079ca5da0@mail.gmail.com>
	<226062.10507.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hello David,

     Ah, but all these calculations fail to include tire "slip" ..


     the tires don't get perfect adhesion to the road surface. my gut
     feeling (what me pull a rabbit out of my ass) is that the amount
     of slip is nearly equal to the amount of increased tire diameter,
     making it a wash. 

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
      * "We in the Conservative Party believe in having a good time," said Tom meritoriously.

From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Sat Oct 18 11:13:41 2008
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] An interesting read !!!
References: <C51F5F32.1A4CF%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <1A5FFAF6CD854EEA917D3183A28F7A58@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>

Its like the loitering laws, a tool used selectively to address situations. 
Enforcement goes up after a street race death or two and is nil where there 
is none.  You don't see cops setting up a checkpoint on the outflow of the 
local Sunday church service to check for working tailights, but outside the 
local bar at 2:15 am?

Glen



>> I'd like
>> to see an article where they're targeting the 50-something enthusiast
> This only applies to vehicles with emissions controls. It's illegal to
> change anything on a smogged engine if the car is driven on the street.
> They're targeting young street racers, not fat old men.

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 11:22:26 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:22:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <11610400583.20081018100329@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <945741.14640.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, whatever the actual speed, it's REALLY fast in a Spridget. 
I have never tried to see how fast it will go, but mine would probably have
trouble with much over 75mph.  It may surprise me, but I still haven't gone
completely through all the suspension, steering, bearings, etc. so am content
to look for curvy bits of secondary roads to go 40 and 50 on.
 
I did fast cars years ago, but decided that Kyle's dad doen't need to be in
jail, (honestly officer, it's designed for the Autobahn and really is
completely safe at 155...and could you loosen the cuffs just a tad, please?)
so wisely moved to cars that are fun at speeds where the tickets are more
affordable and you can occassionally even talk your way out of them.
 
BTW, I've never actually been hauled off to jail or gotten a particularly bad
ticket.  That last bit was merely idle conjecture...
 
 - David

--- On Sat, 10/18/08, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:

From: Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com>
Subject: Re[2]: [Spridgets] calculating speed
To: "David Booker" <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 12:03 PM

Hello David,

     Ah, but all these calculations fail to include tire "slip" ..


     the tires don't get perfect adhesion to the road surface. my gut
     feeling (what me pull a rabbit out of my ass) is that the amount
     of slip is nearly equal to the amount of increased tire diameter,
     making it a wash.

--
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com

 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"

      * "We in the Conservative Party believe in having a good time,"
said Tom meritoriously.
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From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Sat Oct 18 11:37:06 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:37:06 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <SUWCL29MG08SZ3F8oiX000957ca@smtpoutcl29.wirelesssyncvzw.net>

In my best Monty Python voice, "It's not a question of tire diameter, It's a
question of underpowered drag.  A 1500 pound car from the sixties cannot go
100 MPH with only 50 HP!"

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: "David Booker" <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>
To: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>; "Jim Johnson"
<bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: 10/18/08 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed

Jim,
I know I'm not the David you asked, but my two cents worth says you're
probably correct.  Centrifugal force would have to deflect the tire diameter
outward as seen on rail dragsters during the burnout.  Would it be enough on
a
belted street tire to increase the actual rolling diameter or would the
weight
of the car and strength of the tire structure tend to negate the effect?
It's
beyond my ability to calculate, for sure.  If the diameter does increase, it
would definitely make the car's actual speed higher than the indicated (or
mathematically derived) speed.
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Sat, 10/18/08, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed
To: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 11:37 AM

Hey, David....

My engineering background tells me Dean and Duncan are on to something.
There will definitely be some tire circumference growth which changes the
tire diameter making it larger at higher speeds....  Where am I going wrong
with that thinking?  ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:13 AM, David Lieb
<dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> Go to:
>> http://bgsoflex.com/auto.html
>> Then scroll down on the left to rpm range program...
>> Here is a sample output.  The key item is to go measure your tire
>> diameter.
>>
>
> Since you already measured circumference, divide it by pi (3.1415) to get
> 20.69 as a diameter.
> with the 4.55 diff at 7000, that site indicates 95mph
> with the 4.22 diff at 7000, that site indicates 102mph
>
> Input Parameters Are the Following:
> Differential Gear = 4.55 to 1
> Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
> Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
> Engine RPM = 7000
> Computation Results:
> Computed Vehicle MPH is 95
>
> Input Parameters Are the Following:
> Differential Gear = 4.22 to 1
> Transmission Gear = 1.00 to 1
> Tire Diameter (Inches) = 20.69
> Engine RPM = 7000
> Computation Results:
> Computed Vehicle MPH is 102
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 14:40:46 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
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Just because I like making things more complicated.....

Tire "slip" would change based upon tire compound, tread pattern, inflation
and footprint. Also, tire radius growth varies with tire construction. There
is less radius growth with a narrower tire but there is more slip. The
reverse is also true. Moreover, tire inflation will change things as a low
inflated tire will have a smaller effective radius (and thus circumference)
until it begins to distort due to centrifugal acceleration (note: there is
no such thing as centrifugal "force"). It will also distort more than a tire
using maximum inflation but both conditions will eventually reach an
identical diameter at some point in the rpm field.

Nothing is ever as simple as it seems at first.  ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:

> Hello David,
>
>     Ah, but all these calculations fail to include tire "slip" ..
>
>
>     the tires don't get perfect adhesion to the road surface. my gut
>     feeling (what me pull a rabbit out of my ass) is that the amount
>     of slip is nearly equal to the amount of increased tire diameter,
>     making it a wash.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>
>  '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
>
>      * "We in the Conservative Party believe in having a good time," said
> Tom meritoriously.
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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sat Oct 18 15:34:52 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:34:52 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com>

When I asked a leading tyre manufacturer this question they advised that  
while there would be some tyre growth over the life of a tyre there would also  
be a reduction in circumferance as the tread wore away.  Their general view  
was that one cancelled out the effect of the other.
 
As far as circumference growth at speed goes for a typical road tyre - the  
steel bands in the tyre's construction prevent this.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 18/10/2008 17:37:38 GMT Daylight Time,  bmwwxman at gmail.com 
writes:

Hey,  David....

My engineering background tells me Dean and Duncan are on to  something.
There will definitely be some tire circumference growth which  changes the
tire diameter making it larger at higher speeds....  Where  am I going wrong
with that thinking?   ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sat Oct 18 17:18:08 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:18:08 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <d5c.25df7208.362bc8b0@aol.com>

Weight makes a neglible difference to top speed.  Whether or not 50bhp  is 
enough for a car to reach 100mph depends on how aerodyanmic the car is.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 18/10/2008 18:37:41 GMT Daylight Time,  
andrewpayne at intrex.net writes:

A 1500  pound car from the sixties cannot go
100 MPH with only 50  HP!"

Drew

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct 18 18:26:36 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:26:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <d5c.25df7208.362bc8b0@aol.com>
References: <d5c.25df7208.362bc8b0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48FA1C4C.26033.1FD1ABB@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Also, uphill vs downhill, headwind vs tailwind, road surface, air temperature 
...et. al....

On 18 Oct 2008 at 19:18, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

>> Weight makes a neglible difference to top speed.  Whether or not 50bhp
>>  is enough for a car to reach 100mph depends on how aerodyanmic the
>> car is.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Sat Oct 18 18:50:24 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:50:24 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <101920080050.7790.48FA84500003FAD300001E6E22165384969B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

does it really make a difference at 7000rpm whether you are going 101 or 102mph?  the real question is how long can you do this before doing major damage?(see earlier list posting on mangled engine)
ryan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Dave G." <kk7ss at verizon.net> 

> Also, uphill vs downhill, headwind vs tailwind, road surface, air temperature 
> ...et. al.... 
> 
> On 18 Oct 2008 at 19:18, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote: 
> 
> >> Weight makes a neglible difference to top speed. Whether or not 50bhp 
> >> is enough for a car to reach 100mph depends on how aerodyanmic the 
> >> car is. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dave G. KK7SS 
> '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA 
> 
> If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?! 
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct 18 19:13:40 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <101920080050.7790.48FA84500003FAD300001E6E22165384969B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
References: <101920080050.7790.48FA84500003FAD300001E6E22165384969B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48FA2754.14842.2282F45@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Not really...
When I was in London, UK back iun the mid-fifties when cars and 
motorcycles were MUCh cruder, there was a certain Machismo in being able 
to prove to your mates that your bit of iron could "do the ton"....

It also served to impress the girls!!

On 19 Oct 2008 at 0:50, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote:

>> does it really make a difference at 7000rpm whether you are going 101
>> or 102mph?


--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 20:20:51 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <101920080050.7790.48FA84500003FAD300001E6E22165384969B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <789919.98718.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/18/08, ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net <ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net> wrote:
> going 101 or 102mph?  the real question is how long can you
> do this before doing major damage?(see earlier list posting

I just finished Year 3 on my race motor. 1275s are really stout. 

Ron
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sat Oct 18 21:16:32 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:16:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
References: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>
	<B884C2E033704B29AF3651B9079A486E@spider>
	<1C8831D273044856A930B887A59B0CB5@midget>
	<43840a7e0810180937j3aebf3d5l8a7b064079ca5da0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31A3E560866C4378BD246C3693A9BEA5@midget>

> My engineering background tells me Dean and Duncan are on to something.
> There will definitely be some tire circumference growth which changes the
> tire diameter making it larger at higher speeds....  Where am I going 
> wrong
> with that thinking?  ;-)

In that case, Jim, You should have made your peace with the concept of 
scientific notation. If you are measuring circumference to the nearest inch 
and indicating rpm as "7000", etc., the variations introduced by "tire 
growth" and slip are not significant to factor in. Bear in mind that the 
original inquiry simply wanted an idea of roughly how fast they would be 
going, not that they were going to set their atomic clock by it. If they 
wanted real info, they would install a SigmaSport bicycle speedometer and 
KNOW.
David Lieb 

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 18 21:30:10 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:30:10 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>

I disagree.  A tire does grow in diameter as a function of the square of its rotational speed.
The steel belt limits this, but not as much as you think.  Basically the sidewalls move inward
and the center of the tread goes outward.

The growth is not much, but it is enough to impact the final drive/rpm calculation.

Tire Growth Factor = 0.000100 (Inches/(MPH*MPH)) 

so for 50 mph  0.0001(50*50) = 1/4 inch increase in diameter.

The above formula is probably generic, different tires probably behave a little different, 
but they will all grow with the square of the rpms.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Weslake1330 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed


> When I asked a leading tyre manufacturer this question they advised that  
> while there would be some tyre growth over the life of a tyre there would also  
> be a reduction in circumferance as the tread wore away.  Their general view  
> was that one cancelled out the effect of the other.
> 
> As far as circumference growth at speed goes for a typical road tyre - the  
> steel bands in the tyre's construction prevent this.
> 
> W e s l a k e 1330

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct 18 22:28:12 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:28:12 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Tire growth
In-Reply-To: <B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com>,
	<B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <48FA54EC.23151.2DA495D@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Just go to your local drag strip and watch the tires "grow" as they spin up!!
Very obvious if you look at a slo-mo replay...
We used to use sheet metal screws through the rim into the tire bead --- just 
to hold them babies on...

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 23:29:15 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <31A3E560866C4378BD246C3693A9BEA5@midget>
References: <87a1f55d0810172324jad4f7f3la0c8c00beb59a197@mail.gmail.com>
	<B884C2E033704B29AF3651B9079A486E@spider>
	<1C8831D273044856A930B887A59B0CB5@midget>
	<43840a7e0810180937j3aebf3d5l8a7b064079ca5da0@mail.gmail.com>
	<31A3E560866C4378BD246C3693A9BEA5@midget>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810182229u36babbf3j39d8abce828bd3f7@mail.gmail.com>

Aw c'mon, David. You're taking all the fun out of this by introducing
reality!  Here we are quibbling over measurements in the 10 to the minus 5
category and you throw a bucket of "to the nearest inch" on us!!  You're a
Spoil Sport!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:16 PM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> My engineering background tells me Dean and Duncan are on to something.
>> There will definitely be some tire circumference growth which changes the
>> tire diameter making it larger at higher speeds....  Where am I going
>> wrong
>> with that thinking?  ;-)
>>
>
> In that case, Jim, You should have made your peace with the concept of
> scientific notation. If you are measuring circumference to the nearest inch
> and indicating rpm as "7000", etc., the variations introduced by "tire
> growth" and slip are not significant to factor in. Bear in mind that the
> original inquiry simply wanted an idea of roughly how fast they would be
> going, not that they were going to set their atomic clock by it. If they
> wanted real info, they would install a SigmaSport bicycle speedometer and
> KNOW.
> David Lieb
>



-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 23:32:21 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:32:21 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com>
	<B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Dean!  Precisely my point. Considering all the factors involved,
we may well be looking at a speed variance of as much as 1 mile per hour!!
Hardly trivial in a race situation where hundredths of a second are
involved.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Dean Hedin <dlh2001 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I disagree.  A tire does grow in diameter as a function of the square of
> its rotational speed.
> The steel belt limits this, but not as much as you think.  Basically the
> sidewalls move inward
> and the center of the tread goes outward.
>
> The growth is not much, but it is enough to impact the final drive/rpm
> calculation.
>
> Tire Growth Factor = 0.000100 (Inches/(MPH*MPH))
> so for 50 mph  0.0001(50*50) = 1/4 inch increase in diameter.
>
> The above formula is probably generic, different tires probably behave a
> little different, but they will all grow with the square of the rpms.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Weslake1330 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed
>
>
>  When I asked a leading tyre manufacturer this question they advised that
>>  while there would be some tyre growth over the life of a tyre there would
>> also  be a reduction in circumferance as the tread wore away.  Their general
>> view  was that one cancelled out the effect of the other.
>>
>> As far as circumference growth at speed goes for a typical road tyre - the
>>  steel bands in the tyre's construction prevent this.
>>
>> W e s l a k e 1330
>>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 19 02:44:58 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:44:58 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <cda.3dad1b66.362c4d8a@aol.com>

So sothe tyre manufacturers account for this when they give you a wrpm  
figure?
 
In a message dated 19/10/2008 04:30:42 GMT Daylight Time,  
dlh2001 at comcast.net writes:

I  disagree.  A tire does grow in diameter as a function of the square of  
its rotational speed.
The steel belt limits this, but not as much as you  think.  Basically the 
sidewalls move inward
and the center of the  tread goes outward.

The growth is not much, but it is enough to impact  the final drive/rpm 
calculation.

Tire Growth Factor = 0.000100  (Inches/(MPH*MPH)) 

so for 50 mph  0.0001(50*50) = 1/4 inch  increase in diameter.

The above formula is probably generic, different  tires probably behave a 
little different, 
but they will all grow with the  square of the rpms.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 19 02:45:47 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:45:47 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Tire growth
Message-ID: <bd1.40be48ea.362c4dbb@aol.com>

But they are all wrikled and crinkly and soft and squashy when they are not  
spinning up!
 
In a message dated 19/10/2008 05:28:33 GMT Daylight Time, kk7ss at verizon.net  
writes:

Just go  to your local drag strip and watch the tires "grow" as they spin up!!
Very  obvious if you look at a slo-mo replay...
We used to use sheet metal screws  through the rim into the tire bead --- 
just 
to hold them babies  on...

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sun Oct 19 08:15:58 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no clutch
Message-ID: <97F9100389F04B798E212BC6BA8DCFE7@Home>

1.  I still seem not to be getting enough travel on my clutch slave - about 5/16" when I calculate it should be more like 7/16".  All is new or rebuilt, and bled with a speed bleeder.  Linkages are not perfect, but not loose enough to cause such a large difference.  I have pumped out ~1.5 cups (maybe not enough?) and see no bubbles.  But I can also see a bubble in the plastic tubing that will not come out because it moves up faster than the fluid moves down.  Suggestions?

2.  I need to depress the clutch lever more to make sure that the clutch itself is actually working.  Any nifty tricks for extending the slave rod or pushing/pulling the clutch lever from somewhere else?  I am usually alone, so I can't just pry it from below while someone else shifts.  The only ideas I have are a filler at the inside end of the slave rod or an extension made of smashed and drilled copper pipe.  

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sun Oct 19 09:41:18 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:41:18 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com><B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
	<43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>

> Thank you, Dean!  Precisely my point. Considering all the factors 
> involved,
> we may well be looking at a speed variance of as much as 1 mile per hour!!
> Hardly trivial in a race situation where hundredths of a second are
> involved.

Since he is NOT "bench racing", the important thing is whether the other guy 
crossed the finish line before him. If you REALLY want to get this pedantic, 
you will have to admit that this factor will vary with the construction of 
the tire carcase, the amount of tire wear, the nature of the sidewall, 
coefficient of friction, the ambient temperature, the temperature of that 
particular chunk of asphault, the relative humidity, the accuracy of the 
tachometer, how many decimal places you want to use for pi, etc., etc., etc.

Also, bear in mind that the tire growth, etc. might translate into a higher 
actual speed at that moment, but it also means less mechanical advantage to 
the engine, yielding less acceleration, AOFBE.

You folks seem to have parked your Spridgets for the winter already! No one 
took me up on my offer of a free autocross yesterday, so I won the Spridget 
division, despite being beaten by an S2000 CR and any number of other cars. 
At least I beat the Elise... Beware the onset of cabin fever on the List!!!
David Lieb 

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct 19 09:48:38 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:48:38 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com><B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
	<43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com>
	<479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
Message-ID: <773740121.20081019084838@pacifier.com>

Hello David,

     Mine isn't put up for the Western Washington Winter.. YET. I put
     on a hardtop so that I can be cozy on those cold winter days.
     Yesterday I took a run down to Seaside Oregon, since the roads
     are DRY! 



-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  I think I think, therefore I think I am. I think. 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 19 09:58:37 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:58:37 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <cad.41599148.362cb32d@aol.com>

Mine gets used all year round.  I was out in it yesterday to collect  my 
screen and frame and spent the rest of the day fitting it.  In 3 weeks  time it'll 
be on the rolling road have the new engine set up.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 19/10/2008 16:41:59 GMT Daylight Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

You  folks seem to have parked your Spridgets for the winter  already

From cciaffone at verizon.net  Sun Oct 19 10:08:00 2008
From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:08:00 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com><B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
	<43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com>
	<479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
Message-ID: <48FB5B60.1070204@verizon.net>

Not me!  Still use it all year round.

But, it is time to connect the heater core back into the loop.
Bit brisk out there today.

chuck

David Lieb wrote:
>
> You folks seem to have parked your Spridgets for the winter already!

From clmautz at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 11:02:29 2008
From: clmautz at gmail.com (clmautz at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:02:29 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com><B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2><43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com><479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1224435745.3769.spridgets@autox.team.net>

I'm in Georgia, we drive 'em year round here!

Umm, now if only mine ran.  Anyone near Dacula want to assess my project and help me get started?  '65 spridget needing everything...

Chip
Dacula, Ga., USA

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:41:18 
To: Jim Johnson<bmwwxman at gmail.com>; Spridgets<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed


> Thank you, Dean!  Precisely my point. Considering all the factors 
> involved,
> we may well be looking at a speed variance of as much as 1 mile per hour!!
> Hardly trivial in a race situation where hundredths of a second are
> involved.

Since he is NOT "bench racing", the important thing is whether the other guy 
crossed the finish line before him. If you REALLY want to get this pedantic, 
you will have to admit that this factor will vary with the construction of 
the tire carcase, the amount of tire wear, the nature of the sidewall, 
coefficient of friction, the ambient temperature, the temperature of that 
particular chunk of asphault, the relative humidity, the accuracy of the 
tachometer, how many decimal places you want to use for pi, etc., etc., etc.

Also, bear in mind that the tire growth, etc. might translate into a higher 
actual speed at that moment, but it also means less mechanical advantage to 
the engine, yielding less acceleration, AOFBE.

You folks seem to have parked your Spridgets for the winter already! No one 
took me up on my offer of a free autocross yesterday, so I won the Spridget 
division, despite being beaten by an S2000 CR and any number of other cars. 
At least I beat the Elise... Beware the onset of cabin fever on the List!!!
David Lieb 
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You are subscribed as clmautz at gmail.com

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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Sun Oct 19 12:53:11 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no clutch
Message-ID: <046d01c9321b$ef072b20$0168010a@mail2world.com>

Bingo - you found your problem! you have a bubble in the line, and you
need to get it out.

I assume you have a 1500 based on talking about the plastic line. What I
did is pressure bleed. There are fancy ways to do this, but the cheap
way is to drill a 1/16" hole in your reservoir cap. Then get a bicycle
pump and a needle for inflating a basketball. Stick the needle in the
hole (but NOT in the fluid), open the bleed valve, and pump until the
bubble exits. Close the bleed valve, top up the reservoir, and enjoy
your firm clutch!

You can seal the hole with a dab of silicone or something similar. I got
a second cap, and keep the one with the hole in it just for bleeding.

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Michael Rowe [mdrowe at optonline.net]
>Sent: 10/19/2008 10:16:58 AM
>To: spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Still no clutch
>
>1. I still seem not to be getting enough travel on my clutch slave -
about
>5/16" when I calculate it should be more like 7/16". All is new or
rebuilt, and
>bled with a speed bleeder. Linkages are not perfect, but not loose
enough to
>cause such a large difference. I have pumped out ~1.5 cups (maybe not
enough?)
>and see no bubbles. But I can also see a bubble in the plastic tubing
that will
>not come out because it moves up faster than the fluid moves down.
Suggestions?
>
>2. I need to depress the clutch lever more to make sure that the clutch
itself
>is actually working. Any nifty tricks for extending the slave rod or
>pushing/pulling the clutch lever from somewhere else? I am usually
alone, so I
>can't just pry it from below while someone else shifts. The only ideas
I have
>are a filler at the inside end of the slave rod or an extension made of
smashed
>and drilled copper pipe. 
>
>Michael Rowe
>'74 Midget
>Long Island, NY
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu
>
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>
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>.

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Sun Oct 19 13:41:03 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:41:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Why are my points melting??
Message-ID: <4DA7CFA0-7386-4A5B-B7CD-2548C12DF967@phillymgclub.com>

Ya know the plastic piece that runs on the dizzy cam?? its melting. I  
figure that it means there is juice somewhere it ain't supposed to be.  
I don't know if this means anything, but I do leave the key in the  
ignition, but off. I have been doing that for years, so my guess is  
that is not it. Or maybe the key switch is worn and it is now melting  
the points??

I also have the Lucas Gold Coil in it.

Larry

-- 

Larry Macy
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
lmacy at phillymgclub.com
Board Member at Large
Philadelphia MG Club

Ask a question and you're a fool for three minutes; do not ask a  
question and you're a fool for the rest of your life.

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sun Oct 19 13:53:49 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:53:49 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Why are my points melting??
References: <4DA7CFA0-7386-4A5B-B7CD-2548C12DF967@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <EC07E84BF8124302AE7BEFEF0CA8D3C4@midget>

> Ya know the plastic piece that runs on the dizzy cam?? its melting. I  
> figure that it means there is juice somewhere it ain't supposed to be.  
> I don't know if this means anything, but I do leave the key in the  
> ignition, but off. I have been doing that for years, so my guess is  
> that is not it. Or maybe the key switch is worn and it is now melting  
> the points??
> 
> I also have the Lucas Gold Coil in it.

So is the coil getting hot, too? Does the voltmeter show anything 
between the positive side of the coil and ground when the car is 
"off"? One would expect it to have a hard time turning off the 
engine if it was not cutting the power to the coil. Assuming you 
have a fairly normal ignition system (you did say you had points),
the only voltage that should be coming to the points would be 
coming by way of the coil. What all wires are connected to 
your coil? Yes, both sides.
At least we all now know how many people out there are 
trying to steal 1500 Midgets...
David Lieb

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 14:20:29 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:20:29 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no clutch
In-Reply-To: <97F9100389F04B798E212BC6BA8DCFE7@Home>
Message-ID: <62472747680C46CE8D36C900F780ACF0@GuyLaptop>

Michael,
slip a 7/16" nut onto the end of the slave pushrod - it will stay in
position, retained within the concave recess on the outer side of the slave
piston.  It has the effect of lengthening the pushrod.

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael Rowe
Sent: 19 October 2008 15:16
To: Spridget Chat Group
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no clutch


1.  I still seem not to be getting enough travel on my clutch slave - about
5/16" when I calculate it should be more like 7/16".  All is new or rebuilt,
and bled with a speed bleeder.  Linkages are not perfect, but not loose
enough to cause such a large difference.  I have pumped out ~1.5 cups (maybe
not enough?) and see no bubbles.  But I can also see a bubble in the plastic
tubing that will not come out because it moves up faster than the fluid
moves down.  Suggestions?

2.  I need to depress the clutch lever more to make sure that the clutch
itself is actually working.  Any nifty tricks for extending the slave rod or
pushing/pulling the clutch lever from somewhere else?  I am usually alone,
so I can't just pry it from below while someone else shifts.  The only ideas
I have are a filler at the inside end of the slave rod or an extension made
of smashed and drilled copper pipe.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY
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From bkitterer at mac.com  Sun Oct 19 14:38:20 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:38:20 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <d5c.25df7208.362bc8b0@aol.com>
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Here is something to ponder.

 From placards in the Gilmore Car Museum.

1929 Bentley Speed Six (the famous race car)
6.5 liters
160 hp
top speed 95 mph

1933 RR Phantom II Sports Coupe
5485 lbs
43.3 hp
Top speed 96 mph

No other information was provided

Struck me as odd.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 18, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

> Weight makes a neglible difference to top speed.  Whether or not  
> 50bhp  is
> enough for a car to reach 100mph depends on how aerodyanmic the car  
> is.
>
> W e s l a k e 1330
>
> In a message dated 18/10/2008 18:37:41 GMT Daylight Time,
> andrewpayne at intrex.net writes:
>
> A 1500  pound car from the sixties cannot go
> 100 MPH with only 50  HP!"
>
> Drew
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 19 14:47:13 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <84648522-7D86-45BD-A2A3-1CE463B171E8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C520EAE1.1A521%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Struck me as odd.
Odd why?  I'd take the Bond car over the Steed car.

From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 15:17:05 2008
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:17:05 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Charcoal canister
In-Reply-To: <FFF65365799E462195069C7E249E531D@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <20081019211707.MRWI28257.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL>

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces+cmanuel=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces+cmanuel=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Dean Hedin
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:56 PM
Hi all-

Just doing some clean up and came across a charcoal canister in one of my
parts boxes.

I'm not moving to California, nor would I get a 1500.

Contact me off list if you'd like it for shipping cost.

Thanks
Chris  

From pelliott at innercite.com  Sun Oct 19 15:25:00 2008
From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:25:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Why are my points melting??
In-Reply-To: <EC07E84BF8124302AE7BEFEF0CA8D3C4@midget>
References: <4DA7CFA0-7386-4A5B-B7CD-2548C12DF967@phillymgclub.com>
	<EC07E84BF8124302AE7BEFEF0CA8D3C4@midget>
Message-ID: <02a301c93231$25f3a2c0$71dae840$@com>

Check the distributor shaft after the engine has been off. (like first thing
in the morning, before starting the car.)

Check it after running for a while..  

Might be the bushing in the Dizzy is going south and heating up the shaft...

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:54 PM
To: Larry Macy; Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Why are my points melting??

> Ya know the plastic piece that runs on the dizzy cam?? its melting. I  
> figure that it means there is juice somewhere it ain't supposed to be.  
> I don't know if this means anything, but I do leave the key in the  
> ignition, but off. I have been doing that for years, so my guess is  
> that is not it. Or maybe the key switch is worn and it is now melting  
> the points??
> 
> I also have the Lucas Gold Coil in it.

So is the coil getting hot, too? Does the voltmeter show anything 
between the positive side of the coil and ground when the car is 
"off"? One would expect it to have a hard time turning off the 
engine if it was not cutting the power to the coil. Assuming you 
have a fairly normal ignition system (you did say you had points),
the only voltage that should be coming to the points would be 
coming by way of the coil. What all wires are connected to 
your coil? Yes, both sides.
At least we all now know how many people out there are 
trying to steal 1500 Midgets...
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From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 16:11:30 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:11:30 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <84648522-7D86-45BD-A2A3-1CE463B171E8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E4561C46E94E414A875CE12BC573241E@GuyLaptop>

Rolls Royce never supplied the actual Hp of their cars.  
The power was always quoted as "sufficient".

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Kitterer Bob
Sent: 19 October 2008 21:38
To: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed


Here is something to ponder.

 From placards in the Gilmore Car Museum.

1929 Bentley Speed Six (the famous race car)
6.5 liters
160 hp
top speed 95 mph

1933 RR Phantom II Sports Coupe
5485 lbs
43.3 hp
Top speed 96 mph

No other information was provided

Struck me as odd.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 18, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

> Weight makes a neglible difference to top speed.  Whether or not  
> 50bhp  is
> enough for a car to reach 100mph depends on how aerodyanmic the car  
> is.
>
> W e s l a k e 1330
>
> In a message dated 18/10/2008 18:37:41 GMT Daylight Time,
> andrewpayne at intrex.net writes:
>
> A 1500  pound car from the sixties cannot go
> 100 MPH with only 50  HP!"
>
> Drew
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 16:18:46 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
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Not put away here yet. over 50 miles put on it on Friday, about 20 or better
yesterday, and out this morning as well.
Top down for now...

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:41 AM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> Thank you, Dean!  Precisely my point. Considering all the factors involved,
>> we may well be looking at a speed variance of as much as 1 mile per hour!!
>> Hardly trivial in a race situation where hundredths of a second are
>> involved.
>>
>
> Since he is NOT "bench racing", the important thing is whether the other
> guy crossed the finish line before him. If you REALLY want to get this
> pedantic, you will have to admit that this factor will vary with the
> construction of the tire carcase, the amount of tire wear, the nature of the
> sidewall, coefficient of friction, the ambient temperature, the temperature
> of that particular chunk of asphault, the relative humidity, the accuracy of
> the tachometer, how many decimal places you want to use for pi, etc., etc.,
> etc.
>
> Also, bear in mind that the tire growth, etc. might translate into a higher
> actual speed at that moment, but it also means less mechanical advantage to
> the engine, yielding less acceleration, AOFBE.
>
> You folks seem to have parked your Spridgets for the winter already! No one
> took me up on my offer of a free autocross yesterday, so I won the Spridget
> division, despite being beaten by an S2000 CR and any number of other cars.
> At least I beat the Elise... Beware the onset of cabin fever on the List!!!
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From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 16:27:09 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:27:09 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
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Message-ID: <CCDC482BB34E4B46AB15A5FAF21F09F3@GuyLaptop>

Put it away for the winter?  How would I travel about!  Done over 400 miles
in the last week, and that is about average for me.

Guy
Uk

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Fornal
Sent: 19 October 2008 23:19
To: David Lieb
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed


Not put away here yet. over 50 miles put on it on Friday, about 20 or better
yesterday, and out this morning as well.
Top down for now...

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:41 AM, David Lieb
<dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> Thank you, Dean!  Precisely my point. Considering all the factors
involved,
>> we may well be looking at a speed variance of as much as 1 mile per
hour!!
>> Hardly trivial in a race situation where hundredths of a second are
>> involved.
>>
>
> Since he is NOT "bench racing", the important thing is whether the other
> guy crossed the finish line before him. If you REALLY want to get this
> pedantic, you will have to admit that this factor will vary with the
> construction of the tire carcase, the amount of tire wear, the nature of
the
> sidewall, coefficient of friction, the ambient temperature, the
temperature
> of that particular chunk of asphault, the relative humidity, the accuracy
of
> the tachometer, how many decimal places you want to use for pi, etc.,
etc.,
> etc.
>
> Also, bear in mind that the tire growth, etc. might translate into a
higher
> actual speed at that moment, but it also means less mechanical advantage
to
> the engine, yielding less acceleration, AOFBE.
>
> You folks seem to have parked your Spridgets for the winter already! No
one
> took me up on my offer of a free autocross yesterday, so I won the
Spridget
> division, despite being beaten by an S2000 CR and any number of other
cars.
> At least I beat the Elise... Beware the onset of cabin fever on the
List!!!
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From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Sun Oct 19 16:41:23 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:41:23 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <SUWCL26MG08fhzL1f6Y000a7c3f@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>

Y'all have missed the point! My weight comment was not based on science in any
way, rather a reference to "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" (my phone does
not underline, so please no comments on proper form;) I'm sure it's on itunes
if you don't have two hours to devote to entertainment.  Anyway, it has a
great scene with two people debating the physics behind a swallow carrying a
coconut to England.

Watch the movie. With beer.  Lots of beer.

Personally, I have calculated the top speed of my '76 as 62.5 MPH, for that is
the speed at which the front wheels start to hop slightly, allowing the
steering wheel to be sawed backed and forth with absolutely no effect on
trajectory.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: "Kitterer Bob" <bkitterer at mac.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: 10/19/08 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed

Here is something to ponder.

 From placards in the Gilmore Car Museum.

1929 Bentley Speed Six (the famous race car)
6.5 liters
160 hp
top speed 95 mph

1933 RR Phantom II Sports Coupe
5485 lbs
43.3 hp
Top speed 96 mph

No other information was provided

Struck me as odd.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 18, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

> Weight makes a neglible difference to top speed.  Whether or not
> 50bhp  is
> enough for a car to reach 100mph depends on how aerodyanmic the car
> is.
>
> W e s l a k e 1330
>
> In a message dated 18/10/2008 18:37:41 GMT Daylight Time,
> andrewpayne at intrex.net writes:
>
> A 1500  pound car from the sixties cannot go
> 100 MPH with only 50  HP!"
>
> Drew
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From kgb at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 19 16:51:00 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <SUWCL26MG08fhzL1f6Y000a7c3f@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
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Tractors were never meant to be driven fast.  You can't plow a good 
field at 50+ MPH.  My '72 Midget has been clocked at well over 200 on 
the straight at PIR.  Had I known I was as close to a class record as I 
was, I would have pushed her a bit further over red line. 

Kate
>
> Personally, I have calculated the top speed of my '76 as 62.5 MPH, for that is
> the speed at which the front wheels start to hop slightly, allowing the
> steering wheel to be sawed backed and forth with absolutely no effect on
> trajectory.
>
> Drew

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sun Oct 19 16:54:32 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:54:32 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Still no clutch
In-Reply-To: <046d01c9321b$ef072b20$0168010a@mail2world.com>
References: <046d01c9321b$ef072b20$0168010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <50DB8E5AE7CC4B8E930A9302C15CA40C@Home>

>Bingo - you found your problem! you have a bubble in the line, and you need to get it out.

Is there clear plastic hydraulic line in a 1500 Midget?  If so, that would appear to be a useful modification for any of our cars.  

The clear plastic I mentioned is the drain tube attached to the bleeder valve.  It goes from the bleeder valve up into the engine well and then down into a peanut butter jar on the frame.  The bubble that collects where it turns over can move upward faster than the fluid is pumped downward.  If it can do it outside where I can see, it can also do it internally where I can't see.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 19 17:30:42 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:30:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <48FBB9D4.4060905@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <C5211132.1A531%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>  My '72 Midget has been clocked at well over 200
Hz?

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Sun Oct 19 17:34:36 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:34:36 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <SUWCL26MG08eU9nkwoR000a7f73@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>

Tractors?

By the way, aside from the VIN plates, what original parts remain in a two
hundred mile an hour Midget.

Or was it KPH?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Kathryn Bales" <kgb at frontiernet.net>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: 10/19/08 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed

Tractors were never meant to be driven fast.  You can't plow a good
field at 50+ MPH.  My '72 Midget has been clocked at well over 200 on
the straight at PIR.  Had I known I was as close to a class record as I
was, I would have pushed her a bit further over red line.

Kate
>
> Personally, I have calculated the top speed of my '76 as 62.5 MPH, for that
is
> the speed at which the front wheels start to hop slightly, allowing the
> steering wheel to be sawed backed and forth with absolutely no effect on
> trajectory.
>
> Drew
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From kgb at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 19 17:37:50 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:37:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <C5211132.1A531%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C5211132.1A531%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <48FBC4CE.9040201@frontiernet.net>

Sorry about that. Klepto Kitty stole my glasses and I haven't found them 
yet.  I meant to type ONE hundred.

Kate


Billy Zoom wrote:
>>  My '72 Midget has been clocked at well over 200
>>     
> Hz?
>
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 18:35:33 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
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	<479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
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All this talk about tires expanding etc but nobody mentions that a 
Smiths speedometer is just SOOOOOOO
accurate at 102 mph bouncing somewhere between 90 and the high beam light.
And you guys are worried about tires.
BTW, I did have a 67 Sprite up to the "E" in high beam which I figure is 
about 115 mph (on a Smiths speedo.)
Everything was stock at the time, good tail wind and down hill. ;)

-- 
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 18:38:24 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:38:24 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Why are my points melting??
In-Reply-To: <4DA7CFA0-7386-4A5B-B7CD-2548C12DF967@phillymgclub.com>
References: <4DA7CFA0-7386-4A5B-B7CD-2548C12DF967@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <48FBD300.9090900@comcast.net>

Larry Macy wrote:
> Ya know the plastic piece that runs on the dizzy cam?? its melting. 

Made in china or india?

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct 19 18:38:38 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:38:38 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <48FBD255.5000804@comcast.net>
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	<479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
	<48FBD255.5000804@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1025937852.20081019173838@pacifier.com>

Hello Frank,

     Gosh, you aren't suggesting that a Smith's Speedo is about as
     accurate as Jim Johnson's weather forecasting are you?..

-- 
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   "It's a unit of electric current," said Tom amply.

From bkitterer at mac.com  Sun Oct 19 18:46:42 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:46:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <C520EAE1.1A521%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C520EAE1.1A521%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <9FC12D74-EB79-4276-BD64-ED45EC83531E@mac.com>

Two cars roughly the same weight, one with 160 hp the other with 43.3  
hp and they both have the same top speed!!!!

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Billy Zoom wrote:

>> Struck me as odd.
> Odd why?  I'd take the Bond car over the Steed car.

From bkitterer at mac.com  Sun Oct 19 18:49:57 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:49:57 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <E4561C46E94E414A875CE12BC573241E@GuyLaptop>
References: <E4561C46E94E414A875CE12BC573241E@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <F3B8EAB1-2111-4AF9-9396-7BBD05EE7F6A@mac.com>

Just quoting what was on the placard.  In questioning the staff they,  
not convincingly, said "The data had been well researched"

It is a very nice museum by the way.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Guy Weller wrote:

> Rolls Royce never supplied the actual Hp of their cars.
> The power was always quoted as "sufficient".

From dwramsey at att.net  Sun Oct 19 18:55:23 2008
From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:55:23 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Why are my points melting??
In-Reply-To: <4DA7CFA0-7386-4A5B-B7CD-2548C12DF967@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <20081020005529.65C9E187660@autox.team.net>

You don't say what kind of points. Let me guess genuine Lucas "made in
India" points.
		Crash 


Ya know the plastic piece that runs on the dizzy cam?? its melting. I  
figure that it means there is juice somewhere it ain't supposed to be.  
I don't know if this means anything, but I do leave the key in the  
ignition, but off. I have been doing that for years, so my guess is  
that is not it. Or maybe the key switch is worn and it is now melting  
the points??

I also have the Lucas Gold Coil in it.

Larry

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 19:55:30 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Weekly Holy Sprite Update
Message-ID: <48FBE512.50404@comcast.net>

The Holy Sprite is painted under the bonnet, inside the body tub, engine 
bay, and the insides of the doors.
My son will paint the outer body tomorrow night.
I spent the day yesterday de-dusting the garage and washing down the 
Holy Sprite to get rid of all that sanding dust.
The body has been hand block sanded with 400 grit paper and it looks 
pretty good.
Fr Jack stops by every few days to check it out. He is excited!
The rear axle case is painted black, thanks to Linda for cleaning it up 
and getting the rust off of it. It looks great.
I have bead blasted the axles and painted them too. Powder coated the 
brake drums and have been cleaning up and painting or powder coating all 
the specialty nuts and bolts. I bought a supply of new nuts and bolts 
for all the rest of the car so reassembly should be a breeze.
I hope to have it wet sanded and buffed out by the end of next weekend.
If all goes well, I'll be on time with the schedule, even a bit early.
Remember, the final assembly O.S.H.I.T. weekend is November 8th & 9th.
I ordered a new top, found one for $189 on line and I will be ordering 
tires from Tire Rack so in the week or so before the
assembly Oshit, I will get the tires mounted and powder coat the wheels.
I still need to get a battery but that's a 15 minute job.
The wire harness is finished with any and all mods that were needed to 
put an electric solenoid in  Bugeye.
I will have to move the fuse box and regulator due to using a MKII 
Sprite wire harness but that should be no big deal.
A Bugeye with a key start, no pull cable.
I also found out tonight that a friend of my son has an "IN" with a 
metal plater, he is going to see about getting the cockpit surround 
anodized.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From wallstreetlen at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 19 20:05:11 2008
From: wallstreetlen at hotmail.com (Len Hansen)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:05:11 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] 4th gear locked out.
Message-ID: <BLU104-DS139F1F95060BD911B78ABBF2F0@phx.gbl>

I have a Rib cased gearbox behind a fresh 1275.  I have had the gearbox
rebuilt and it shifted into 4th when it was out of the car.  I put it in the
car and it will not go into 4th gear.  It feels like it hits a wall in the
shifter.  I pulled the side case and could not really fix a thing.  I yanked
the engine and gear box out of the car.  Of course that got me to fresh up the
bearings and rings, and rebuilt the head.  Low miles since last total rebuild,
but why not.  Anyway, the gearbox shifted into 4th outside the car.  I,
without much thought, guessed I put the shifter securing plate on wrong.  So I
put the springs in the holes on the side cover and stuck it back into the car.
The motor is running great.  It did eject 1/2 quart of oil onto the garage
floor after my first run.  I am thinking Crankcase ventilation and break in
blow by. It does seem to be getting better. NOW PROBLEM.  The gearbox wont go
into 4th gear again.  ANY IDEAS???  signed Desperate...

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 20:34:15 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:34:15 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <1025937852.20081019173838@pacifier.com>
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com>
	<B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
	<43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com>
	<479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
	<48FBD255.5000804@comcast.net>
	<1025937852.20081019173838@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810191934n3a1cab28r1be33173a81d00cb@mail.gmail.com>

That does it, Bill. Nothing but rain, snow and sub-zero temps for you and
your spridget from here on, sucker!  And don't think you can bail yourself
out with sweet talk either!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:

> Hello Frank,
>
>     Gosh, you aren't suggesting that a Smith's Speedo is about as
>     accurate as Jim Johnson's weather forecasting are you?..
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>
>  '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
>
>    "It's a unit of electric current," said Tom amply.
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-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct 19 20:37:55 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:37:55 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810191934n3a1cab28r1be33173a81d00cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com>
	<B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2>
	<43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com>
	<479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget>
	<48FBD255.5000804@comcast.net>
	<1025937852.20081019173838@pacifier.com>
	<43840a7e0810191934n3a1cab28r1be33173a81d00cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <393095607.20081019193755@pacifier.com>

Hello Jim,

     FANTASTIC! if you promise rain, wind, snow and hail, i'm about
     guaranteed to have clear skies forever! 

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  A half moon is better than no moon at all 

From jmj3351 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 21:02:59 2008
From: jmj3351 at comcast.net (jmj3351 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:02:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <cad.41599148.362cb32d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <851802421.678291224471779469.JavaMail.root@sz0087a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I put fifty miles on mine today wearing a coat and tobogan.B  I keep the
winter assessories in the car during cold weather.B  The only thing that stops
me is rain and snow.B  Don't want head wet and midget rusted.



Green mark IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:58:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed

Mine gets used all year round. B I was out in it yesterday to collect B my
screen and frame and spent the rest of the day fitting it. B In 3 weeks B time
it'll
be on the rolling road have the new engine set up.
B 
W e s l a k e 1330
B 
In a message dated 19/10/2008 16:41:59 GMT Daylight Time, B 
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

You B folks seem to have parked your Spridgets for the winter B already

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 21:08:22 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <851802421.678291224471779469.JavaMail.root@sz0087a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <920498.97483.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, jmj3351 at comcast.net <jmj3351 at comcast.net> wrote:
> I put fifty miles on mine today wearing a coat and tobogan.B

I put a few on my Bugeye today. Kudos to Dave Woerpel for riding shotgun and not panicking at the extensive use of the handbrake. We saw the most incredible private collection of cars in my podunk little town - Dave, you must post pictures! All American iron, but really awesome.

Ron
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From dwoerpel at wi.net  Sun Oct 19 21:24:51 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:24:51 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <920498.97483.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <920498.97483.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48FBFA03.9060400@wi.net>

Ron is a great driver but he didn't see me open the door and drag my 
right foot on the pavement.  That's the REAL reason the car pulled to 
the right! 

I noticed those folks driving that Amurrrican iron twas alookin' Ron's 
Sprite over pretty good, doggone it.  Ron is correct, the collection of 
close to 100 cars was unreal.  One could eat off the top, sides, bottom, 
and engine bay of these cars they are so clean.  The 57 Bonneville with 
only 24 documented miles on it was a time capsule; heck they all were!  
I counted 18 hoists, 3 were 2 post lifts.  I got a lot of ideas for my 
new garage....can't afford act on any of them but the ideas are cheap.

Hope the dog situation worked out.

Dave
59 :{)
Burlington WI


Ron Soave wrote:
> I put a few on my Bugeye today. Kudos to Dave Woerpel for riding shotgun and not panicking at the extensive use of the handbrake. We saw the most incredible private collection of cars in my podunk little town - Dave, you must post pictures! All American iron, but really awesome.
>
> Ron

From jlaird237 at cox.net  Sun Oct 19 21:32:51 2008
From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
References: <d16.396a6029.362bb07c@aol.com><B5DFF344C65447E0ABB05446EA6C1C0C@blackbox2><43840a7e0810182232w72ddabaap12f9a29f4d289750@mail.gmail.com><479DBF99FE3348FD9CE09017AD955B7B@midget><48FBD255.5000804@comcast.net><1025937852.20081019173838@pacifier.com>
	<43840a7e0810191934n3a1cab28r1be33173a81d00cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A935ABDDC5AD41749942BDC3518481ED@personal>

Wonderful weather down here. Sweater in the evenings and shorts day time. We 
wait all summer for these eight months. Oh yea winter is January.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed


> That does it, Bill. Nothing but rain, snow and sub-zero temps for you and
> your spridget from here on, sucker!  And don't think you can bail yourself
> out with sweet talk either!
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Frank,
>>
>>     Gosh, you aren't suggesting that a Smith's Speedo is about as
>>     accurate as Jim Johnson's weather forecasting are you?..
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>  Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>>
>>  '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
>>
>>    "It's a unit of electric current," said Tom amply.
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers!!
> Jim
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 21:38:24 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <48FBFA03.9060400@wi.net>
Message-ID: <741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:
> Hope the dog situation worked out.

Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So far:

Austin
Healey
Cooper
Morris
Mowog
Minnie
Alec
Stirling
Lotus
Weber
SUe
Enzo
Lambo
Dzus
Elkhart
Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)

Ron
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From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 22:16:01 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:16:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Tire growth
References: <bd1.40be48ea.362c4dbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C7E41BB50DC4F9E8082E5A64ABDBA9A@blackbox2>

I think big slicks on a drag racer grow more so than do conventional tires.

But I think the "growth factor"  from the bowling & grippo site is more relevant to 
conventional tires and for those seeking final drive ratios.  

"S" rated tires probably have extra belting in them to limit growth.
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Weslake1330 at aol.com>
To: <kk7ss at verizon.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tire growth


> But they are all wrikled and crinkly and soft and squashy when they are not  
> spinning up!
> 
> In a message dated 19/10/2008 05:28:33 GMT Daylight Time, kk7ss at verizon.net  
> writes:
> 
> Just go  to your local drag strip and watch the tires "grow" as they spin up!!
> Very  obvious if you look at a slo-mo replay...
> We used to use sheet metal screws  through the rim into the tire bead --- 
> just 
> to hold them babies  on...
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From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 01:55:06 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:55:06 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <F3B8EAB1-2111-4AF9-9396-7BBD05EE7F6A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <64D6173B4FA3464DBBC09C0469D05C40@GuyLaptop>

There was of course, more than one way of recording Hp in the '30s.
One a measure of engine power and the other for the taxation class.

Anyway, "well researched" means they looked it up somewhere and found it in
print.
Maybe a contemporary newspaper or advertisement but there is no reason to
suppose newspapers were any more accurate then than they are now.

Interesting though!

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Kitterer Bob
Sent: 20 October 2008 01:50
To: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] calculating speed


Just quoting what was on the placard.  In questioning the staff they,
not convincingly, said "The data had been well researched"

It is a very nice museum by the way.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Guy Weller wrote:

> Rolls Royce never supplied the actual Hp of their cars.
> The power was always quoted as "sufficient".
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 04:27:25 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:27:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <207376.62203.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My little black Chihuahua / Toy Poodle mix (yes he had an attitude and a never-ending supply of energy) was named TR...
David Booker

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re: calculating speed
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 10:38 PM

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:
> Hope the dog situation worked out.

Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So far:

Austin
Healey
Cooper
Morris
Mowog
Minnie
Alec
Stirling
Lotus
Weber
SUe
Enzo
Lambo
Dzus
Elkhart
Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)

Ron
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 20 07:22:03 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:22:03 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
References: <SUWCL26MG08fhzL1f6Y000a7c3f@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
Message-ID: <9BDB767F844342709496A7600FB4CEF4@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Personally, I have calculated the top speed of my '76 as 62.5 MPH, for 
> that is
> the speed at which the front wheels start to hop slightly, allowing the
> steering wheel to be sawed backed and forth with absolutely no effect on
> trajectory.

Drew,
A vibration in the front tires at that speed means that the tires are not 
properly balanced. Yes, I know, you had them electronically balanced and the 
guy swears they are fine. If you look at them, I bet they each have a rather 
large weight on them somewhere. You see, modern rims are "hub-centric", 
which means that the hole in the middle of the rim is perfectly centered. 
Our rims are "lug-centric", meaning that there is a hole in the middle, but 
there is NO precision to it at all. The tapers of the lugnuts center the 
wheel in place. Few balancing machines these days are equipped for 
lug-centric, but most have optional bits to do it. Whether the operator has 
a clue or not, is another story. What we HAVE to do, is to watch when the 
balancing machine spins it up to see if there is any runout on the part of 
the rim you can see. If you can see it moving up and down, it will not end 
up balanced for your car (it will be perfectly balanced for use on the 
balancing machine, however). Explain this to the tire dude and he will 
probably understand and take the extra time to minimize runout. Back tires 
are not nearly so fussy because the rear axle bearings really limit the 
amount it can move. Any time you see a tire weight 3"or longer on a Spridget 
wheel, you KNOW they are not properly balanced.
David Lieb
1972 1960 1974 1973

From peter at nosimport.com  Mon Oct 20 08:14:36 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:14:36 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <48FBFA03.9060400@wi.net>
	<741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200810200714989.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

Suggest SPICA     It's a dog, too.

         Peter C
==
At 10:38 PM 10/19/2008, Ron Soave wrote:
>--- On Sun, 10/19/08, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:
> > Hope the dog situation worked out.
>
>Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So far:
>
>Austin
>Healey
>Cooper
>Morris
>Mowog
>Minnie
>Alec
>Stirling
>Lotus
>Weber
>SUe
>Enzo
>Lambo
>Dzus
>Elkhart
>Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)
>
>Ron

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 20 08:31:30 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:31:30 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
References: <48FBFA03.9060400@wi.net><741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200810200714989.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <6290E3C324BF476E80CA69BB542FF0BB@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Suggest SPICA     It's a dog, too.

What? The Society for the Prevention of Italian Cars in America?

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Mon Oct 20 09:06:54 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:06:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <207376.62203.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<207376.62203.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48FC3C1E.13361.258094@kk7ss.verizon.net>

What???   Nobody suggested "Rover", or "Frazier" or "Nash"??

>> Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So
>> far:
>> 
>> Austin
>> Healey
>> Cooper
>> Morris
>> Mowog
>> Minnie
>> Alec
>> Stirling
>> Lotus
>> Weber
>> SUe
>> Enzo
>> Lambo
>> Dzus
>> Elkhart
>> Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)
>--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 09:19:05 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:19:05 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <48FC3C1E.13361.258094@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <B699583DA92140B0B9676170D5941384@GuyLaptop>

We had a cat called Rover. Our neighbour at the time had a very new Rover
2000TC, quite a status symbol for him at the time and he was very proud of
it.  He also hated cats, so of course we called our cat Rover. I also liked
the Pythonesque naming of a small kitten with a large dog's name.
We subsequently became good friends and he even used to let the cat sit on
him and be stroked. But he would never call it by its name!

Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: 20 October 2008 16:07
To: spridgets at autox.team.net; soavero at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re: calculating speed


What???   Nobody suggested "Rover", or "Frazier" or "Nash"??

>> Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So
>> far:
>>
>> Austin
>> Healey
>> Cooper
>> Morris
>> Mowog
>> Minnie
>> Alec
>> Stirling
>> Lotus
>> Weber
>> SUe
>> Enzo
>> Lambo
>> Dzus
>> Elkhart
>> Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)
>--
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'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

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From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Mon Oct 20 09:27:09 2008
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:27:09 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
References: <741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<207376.62203.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48FC3C1E.13361.258094@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D97B1F95316D431E8CF02A9ECE0B9059@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>

What about Moggie(if he looks dumpy but dependable), Bugsy,  Bentley, 
Morgan, Woolsey, or if he tends to stain the carpet a 
lot.................(wait for it).................LUCAS.

Glen


>>>
>>> Austin
>>> Healey
>>> Cooper
>>> Morris
>>> Mowog
>>> Minnie
>>> Alec
>>> Stirling
>>> Lotus
>>> Weber
>>> SUe
>>> Enzo
>>> Lambo
>>> Dzus
>>> Elkhart
>>> Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)
>>--
> Dave G.   KK7SS
> '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 09:29:09 2008
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (cmanuel at wi.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:29:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
Message-ID: <18162894.973131224516549934.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web15-z02>

I think Mowog would have more of a tendancy to "leak" all over...


Chris
---- Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:
> > Hope the dog situation worked out.
> 
> Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So far:

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 10:15:02 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re: calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <48FBFA03.9060400@wi.net>
	<741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810200915y51559a8dv9b250ba9902e1fa6@mail.gmail.com>

SIMCA, Borgward, Fairthorpe, Magnet, Riley, Citroen, Yugo, Fiat, Allard,
Duesenburg, Chaparral, Maserati, Bugatti.....

Then there's the old standards....     DOG   or      FIDO

My uncle had a dog that answered to "$hit for brains".....

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:
> > Hope the dog situation worked out.
>
> Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So far:
>
> Austin
> Healey
> Cooper
> Morris
> Mowog
> Minnie
> Alec
> Stirling
> Lotus
> Weber
> SUe
> Enzo
> Lambo
> Dzus
> Elkhart
> Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)
>
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Jim

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Mon Oct 20 11:15:48 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:15:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Embarrassing note to Newbies
In-Reply-To: <62472747680C46CE8D36C900F780ACF0@GuyLaptop>
References: <62472747680C46CE8D36C900F780ACF0@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <A7A934EB15504B97ACA89E1417874F69@Home>

If your car is up on stands with no rear wheels and no brake set, the rear 
hubs will drift around enough that the transmission will not shift into 
first regardless of how well your clutch is working.

Hanging head in embarrassment,
Un-named Newbie
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From abcoz at hky.com  Mon Oct 20 13:12:26 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:12:26 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Embarrassing note to Newbies
In-Reply-To: <A7A934EB15504B97ACA89E1417874F69@Home>
References: <62472747680C46CE8D36C900F780ACF0@GuyLaptop>
	<A7A934EB15504B97ACA89E1417874F69@Home>
Message-ID: <C0C614C7982D4CF396A4B99BF65C311B@OwnerPC>

Michael,
Hey, that's minor-leage stuff compared to this one:
While building our race car, about 30 years ago, my racing partner and I 
were installing the front cross-member (MGB).  I had spent some time 
cleaning up the four special bolts/studs (lock nuts go on each end), to 
ensure an accurate torquing.  I was on a creeper under the car, while my 
partner worked from the top side (in our defense; it was late and a lot of 
beer had been consumed during this particular work session).  The dialogue, 
after several minutes on the first bolt, went something like this:
Partner: "Say Oz, how's it going down there?"
Me: "Really smooth, Wang (Jim "Bif" Wangler, my late partner).  DAMN, I'm 
good (meaning that I had done such a superb job of cleaning up the threads 
on those bolts)........how's it look on that end".
Partner: "Incredible.  I can't even feel any movement through the wrench"
Several more minutes passed, and my arms were about rerady to fall off, from 
holding the wrench above my head.
Me: "Man!  We should be out of threads by now.  Can you work a little 
faster?"
Partner:  "Whada ya mean work a little faster?  I'm just backing you up, 
while you spin your wrench."
Me: "No, numb-nutz.......I'M backing you up, while you spin YOUR wrench."
Partner: "Ahhhh.  It is all so clear, now."

Meanwhile, from the other side of the car could be heard the muffled 
laughter (finally released) of our good friend & chief body man for 
F-Production Nat'l Champion Bob Criss: Jim Biery, who did the body and paint 
work for us...........thus assuring that we'd never live this one down, and 
that we'd hear a LOT MORE about it at the next SCCA Steel Cities Region 
membership meeting........and we sure DID hear a lot more about it.

So, Michael, don't be too embarrassed, because I suspect we ALL have a few 
of those types of skeletons somewhere in our closets ;)

Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: "'Spridget Chat Group'" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Embarrassing note to Newbies


> If your car is up on stands with no rear wheels and no brake set, the rear 
> hubs will drift around enough that the transmission will not shift into 
> first regardless of how well your clutch is working.
>
> Hanging head in embarrassment,
> Un-named Newbie
> '74 Midget
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From mhagopian at hoppetool.com  Mon Oct 20 13:48:37 2008
From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <9BDB767F844342709496A7600FB4CEF4@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <SUWCL26MG08fhzL1f6Y000a7c3f@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
	<9BDB767F844342709496A7600FB4CEF4@NilesAD.von.gov>
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Wow, I figured I would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 110-120, I just
put in the new diff of 4.22 and I have 3 used axles, and we are going to buy
hoosiers. I tell you what, at 102 mph the car is very steady and needs to go
much faster! This winter when we rip apart the motor, we pan on getting a
few more HP out of it and maybe a 1000 more rpm to make it 8000rpm (we dont
even know what its safe to right now).

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:22 AM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

>  Personally, I have calculated the top speed of my '76 as 62.5 MPH, for
>> that is
>> the speed at which the front wheels start to hop slightly, allowing the
>> steering wheel to be sawed backed and forth with absolutely no effect on
>> trajectory.
>>
>
> Drew,
> A vibration in the front tires at that speed means that the tires are not
> properly balanced. Yes, I know, you had them electronically balanced and the
> guy swears they are fine. If you look at them, I bet they each have a rather
> large weight on them somewhere. You see, modern rims are "hub-centric",
> which means that the hole in the middle of the rim is perfectly centered.
> Our rims are "lug-centric", meaning that there is a hole in the middle, but
> there is NO precision to it at all. The tapers of the lugnuts center the
> wheel in place. Few balancing machines these days are equipped for
> lug-centric, but most have optional bits to do it. Whether the operator has
> a clue or not, is another story. What we HAVE to do, is to watch when the
> balancing machine spins it up to see if there is any runout on the part of
> the rim you can see. If you can see it moving up and down, it will not end
> up balanced for your car (it will be perfectly balanced for use on the
> balancing machine, however). Explain this to the tire dude and he will
> probably understand and take the extra time to minimize runout. Back tires
> are not nearly so fussy because the rear axle bearings really limit the
> amount it can move. Any time you see a tire weight 3"or longer on a Spridget
> wheel, you KNOW they are not properly balanced.
> David Lieb
> 1972 1960 1974 1973
>
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Matt Hagopian

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 14:19:12 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
In-Reply-To: <033701c92ce2$d9d9cb10$8d8d6130$@net>
References: <60495.130.189.10.64.1223833463.squirrel@webmail2.nhvt.net>
	<48F27AC9.6010102@comcast.net> <033701c92ce2$d9d9cb10$8d8d6130$@net>
Message-ID: <0CD9B66C-24EA-4203-87EA-D9A5FF235EC3@comcast.net>

Sooo.. is it supposed to have heavy tar paper between all of the  
mating surfaces?

lester

broken roofing tile makes an excellent and free tar paper substitute...


On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Leo wrote:

> Not according to the concours standards...hope, nope, nope.  <VBG>
>
> Leo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Clarici
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:32 PM
> To: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net
> Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] gas tank ?
>
> lindalnhvt at nhvt.net wrote:
>> I'm currently away from my bugeye project, but not far from a  
>> hardware
>> store so maybe someone can answer a nuts and bolts question for me.
>> What size nut secures the gas tank? Are there 6 of them?
>> Also, when putting it back in place, where does the rubber between  
>> the
>> tank and the trunk go?
>>
> 6) 5/16 x 24 nuts with split washers.
> 2 rubber straps (cut from an old inner tube) go on the sides, 2 rubber
> squares go on the single bolts in the back and front of the tank,
>
>
> -- 
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> Toms River, NJ
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 20 14:43:37 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:43:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
References: <SUWCL26MG08fhzL1f6Y000a7c3f@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
	<9BDB767F844342709496A7600FB4CEF4@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<87a1f55d0810201248x3e057591hffd76095712db98d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3E98CA2C2FF4543BB4588105A4B0C30@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Wow, I figured I would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 110-120, I just
> put in the new diff of 4.22 and I have 3 used axles, and we are going to 
> buy
> hoosiers. I tell you what, at 102 mph the car is very steady and needs to 
> go
> much faster! This winter when we rip apart the motor, we pan on getting a
> few more HP out of it and maybe a 1000 more rpm to make it 8000rpm (we 
> dont
> even know what its safe to right now).

Matt,
You need to read Peter Egan's Side Glances column from Road & Track. One 
issue (years ago) dealt with his distinction between "speed" and "velocity". 
He maintained that 100mph in his Bugeye racecar was FAST, although the 
velocity was not particularly impressive on paper. My friend, OTOH, emailed 
me a cellphone photo of the speedometer of his Corvette Z06 on the 
interstate on his way to the national meet at Effingham a week or three ago 
with the needle just shy of 170. Obviously not NEARLY so fast as a Bugeye at 
100, or he would not have been able to take that picture.
David Lieb 

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 15:17:27 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:17:27 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Weekly Holy Sprite Update
In-Reply-To: <48FBE512.50404@comcast.net>
References: <48FBE512.50404@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <205cef430810201417p7db62894x40cf4ab79eaf296d@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds great Frank I can't wait to help with the assembly, I'll bring a
video camera to archive it. Tell me did you use 400 grit because it is epoxy
paint? Is that PPG paint and will the seats be done soon? The blue interior
should look really nice with the white interior.
Lin

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>wrote:

> The Holy Sprite is painted under the bonnet, inside the body tub, engine
> bay, and the insides of the doors.
> My son will paint the outer body tomorrow night.
> I spent the day yesterday de-dusting the garage and washing down the Holy
> Sprite to get rid of all that sanding dust.
> The body has been hand block sanded with 400 grit paper and it looks pretty
> good.
> Fr Jack stops by every few days to check it out. He is excited!
> The rear axle case is painted black, thanks to Linda for cleaning it up and
> getting the rust off of it. It looks great.
> I have bead blasted the axles and painted them too. Powder coated the brake
> drums and have been cleaning up and painting or powder coating all the
> specialty nuts and bolts. I bought a supply of new nuts and bolts for all
> the rest of the car so reassembly should be a breeze.
> I hope to have it wet sanded and buffed out by the end of next weekend.
> If all goes well, I'll be on time with the schedule, even a bit early.
> Remember, the final assembly O.S.H.I.T. weekend is November 8th & 9th.
> I ordered a new top, found one for $189 on line and I will be ordering
> tires from Tire Rack so in the week or so before the
> assembly Oshit, I will get the tires mounted and powder coat the wheels.
> I still need to get a battery but that's a 15 minute job.
> The wire harness is finished with any and all mods that were needed to put
> an electric solenoid in  Bugeye.
> I will have to move the fuse box and regulator due to using a MKII Sprite
> wire harness but that should be no big deal.
> A Bugeye with a key start, no pull cable.
> I also found out tonight that a friend of my son has an "IN" with a metal
> plater, he is going to see about getting the cockpit surround anodized.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Mon Oct 20 15:41:42 2008
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:41:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] stupid wire harness tricks
Message-ID: <4AD92C9BF9054574A6570F185B7AEF15@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>

I debated buying a new harness for the Morris truck I'm making, but then
figured that with all the changes I intended to make, I'd just end up cutting
up the new one as well.  so here's what I did:

I stapled the harness to a sheet of plywood in the basic layout of the truck.
A black marker line denoted the firewall.  I stripped away all the rotted
cloth wrap and zip-tied the bundles as I went.  Using a staple gun (directed
carefully away from the knees....) I stapled each wire end to the board next
to a paper label on the board identifying the wire.  It took about an hour.

Then I made all desired modifications to the harness, wiper and headlight
relays, additional 2-fuse block, 1-wire alternator(eliminated all voltage
regulator wiring), extra fused circuits for radio and device port(cigarette
lighter), extra fuel pump wire to back of truck in case I go that way.  I used
correct color wire for all mods so the smart-axxed s.o.b. that gets it after I
die can't call me a DPO.

I plan on powering up the harness tonight and testing the relay circuits while
its still on the board.  If all checks out, I'll be re-wrapping the harness in
black cotton bicycle handlebar tape.  Sure the red tracer threads are missing,
but $300 is a lot for red threads.

It cost a LOT less than a fully modified British Wiring harness and will
definitely be EXACTLY correct for this vehicle.

Best part, the board was leftovers from the Holy Sprite trailer.  Also, after
you get to the end of the process, you develop an understanding of the English
wiring color code.  It actually sort of makes sense.

Regards,
Glen

From pythias at pacifier.com  Mon Oct 20 17:18:15 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:18:15 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] stupid wire harness tricks
In-Reply-To: <4AD92C9BF9054574A6570F185B7AEF15@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
References: <4AD92C9BF9054574A6570F185B7AEF15@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <6410424601.20081020161815@pacifier.com>

Hello Glen,

     FREAK!

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Laetrile is the pits.

From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 18:28:15 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:28:15 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re:  calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <48FC3C1E.13361.258094@kk7ss.verizon.net>
References: <741258.30490.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<207376.62203.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48FC3C1E.13361.258094@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48FD221F.2020203@comcast.net>

Dave G. wrote:
> What???   Nobody suggested "Rover", or "Frazier" or "Nash"??
>
>   
I like Stain ;)
>>> Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab. So
>>> far:
>>>
>>>       


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 18:39:21 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:39:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] stupid wire harness tricks
In-Reply-To: <4AD92C9BF9054574A6570F185B7AEF15@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
References: <4AD92C9BF9054574A6570F185B7AEF15@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <48FD24B9.6050802@comcast.net>

Glen Byrns wrote:
>   Also, after
> you get to the end of the process, you develop an understanding of the English
> wiring color code.  It actually sort of makes sense.
>
>
>   
I have made the last 4 or 5 harnesses for my Sprites and the A40.
The Holy Sprite has most of a MKII harness and some Bugeye harness bits 
and it has mods like a key start not a cable start.
Cig lighter (for cell phone charger)
I love the Brit wire scheme, and it's the same up til the Jaguar XJ6, 
just that the 6 has a lot more wires. But the basic color codes are the 
same, more tracer colors.
I always use the correct colors because down the road when you want to 
add, or fix something, you will appreciate the correct colors.
To wrap up a harness I use hockey stick tape, it's semi cloth like, 
sticks well, and 3 rolls for $6 does many harnesses.
And it comes in orange, black, blue, red, etc

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From wallstreetlen at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 20 19:00:15 2008
From: wallstreetlen at hotmail.com (Len Hansen)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:00:15 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] 4th gear locked out
Message-ID: <BLU104-W53D6A0F28A26A6344B5452BF2E0@phx.gbl>

I have a Rib cased gearbox behind a fresh 1275.  I have had the gearbox
rebuilt and it shifted into 4th when it was out of the car.  I put it in the
car and it will not go into 4th gear.  It feels like it hits a wall in the
shifter.  I pulled the side case and could not really fix a thing.  I yanked
the engine and gear box out of the car.  Of course that got me to fresh up the
bearings and rings, and rebuilt the head.  Low miles since last total rebuild,
but why not.  Anyway, the gearbox shifted into 4th outside the car.  I,
without much thought, guessed I put the shifter securing plate on wrong.  So I
put the springs in the holes on the side cover and stuck it back into the car.
The motor is running great.  It did eject 1/2 quart of oil onto the garage
floor after my first run.  I am thinking Crankcase ventilation and break in
blow by. It does seem to be getting better. NOW PROBLEM.  The gearbox wont go
into 4th gear again.  ANY IDEAS???  signed Desperate...
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 19:09:48 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
Message-ID: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>

It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
If not, we'll paint it again.

http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Mon Oct 20 19:16:01 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:16:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <9FC12D74-EB79-4276-BD64-ED45EC83531E@mac.com>
References: <C520EAE1.1A521%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
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The difference is in how long it takes to get there.

Larry

On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Kitterer Bob wrote:

> Two cars roughly the same weight, one with 160 hp the other with 43.3
> hp and they both have the same top speed!!!!
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Billy Zoom wrote:
>
>>> Struck me as odd.
>> Odd why?  I'd take the Bond car over the Steed car.
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worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Mon Oct 20 19:25:06 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] LBC pooch - was Re: calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810200915y51559a8dv9b250ba9902e1fa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FBFA03.9060400@wi.net>
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Our new rescue pup (well one year) is named Orion, after the hunter  
(it's an extremely long personal story). But we also call her Dalbador  
as we believe she is a Dalmatian Labrador cross.

Larry

On Oct 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Jim Johnson wrote:

> SIMCA, Borgward, Fairthorpe, Magnet, Riley, Citroen, Yugo, Fiat,  
> Allard,
> Duesenburg, Chaparral, Maserati, Bugatti.....
>
> Then there's the old standards....     DOG   or      FIDO
>
> My uncle had a dog that answered to "$hit for brains".....
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:
>>> Hope the dog situation worked out.
>>
>> Yup! We're picking names for the potential new addition rescue Lab.  
>> So far:
>>
>> Austin
>> Healey
>> Cooper
>> Morris
>> Mowog
>> Minnie
>> Alec
>> Stirling
>> Lotus
>> Weber
>> SUe
>> Enzo
>> Lambo
>> Dzus
>> Elkhart
>> Mattingly (for Donnie Baseball)
>>
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 19:30:29 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <695323.112.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Frank,
Looks great from here.  Can't wait to help get it all back together.  Any
special instructions for the rebuild team - like don't wear a belt with a
metal buckle while leaning over anything...
 - David Booker

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:09 PM

It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
If not, we'll paint it again.

http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg

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From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 19:36:01 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:36:01 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <695323.112.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <695323.112.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48FD3201.2030100@comcast.net>

David Booker wrote:
> Frank,
> Looks great from here.  Can't wait to help get it all back together.  
> Any special instructions for the rebuild team - like don't wear a belt 
> with a metal buckle while leaning over anything...
>
No buckles, no rivets in the pockets, no metal buttons on the shirts, 
and keep your zippers away from the car!



-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Mon Oct 20 19:35:35 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <695323.112.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <695323.112.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1EA7AEBE-913E-4F4D-BB45-C2B195A5C39D@phillymgclub.com>

David, you can wear a belt like that. And if it gets scratched, you  
will not get cursed by the owner. But do remember who his boss is!!

Larry
PS Frank, looks good on the web, I suspect it looks that good in  
person as well.


On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:30 PM, David Booker wrote:

> Frank,
> Looks great from here.  Can't wait to help get it all back  
> together.  Any
> special instructions for the rebuild team - like don't wear a belt  
> with a
> metal buckle while leaning over anything...
> - David Booker
>
> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
> To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:09 PM
>
> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
> If not, we'll paint it again.
>
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg
>
> --
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From nases at verizon.net  Mon Oct 20 19:36:26 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:36:26 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
References: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DD006247-D349-4AEE-A34D-1F0FE8CF867C@verizon.net>

Looks great Frank!

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/



On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Frank Clarici wrote:

> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
> If not, we'll paint it again.
>
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 19:41:45 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:41:45 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
Message-ID: <102120080141.7238.48FD3359000C4C8F00001C4622155670749B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

Francompletk,
That look great!  Its definately neat to see what it used to look like especially the rear panel and to see it now completely painted.  
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net> 

> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good. 
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out. 
> If not, we'll paint it again. 
> 
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg 
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg 
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg 
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg 
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg 
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg 
> 
> -- 
> Frank Clarici 
> Toms River, NJ 
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From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 19:43:34 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:43:34 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
Message-ID: <102120080143.11531.48FD33C6000D8D1900002D0B22155670749B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

FOR SALE ON E VAIO SELF TYPING COMPUTER!~!!! CHEAP!!

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net 

> Francompletk, 
> That look great! Its definately neat to see what it used to look like 
> especially the rear panel and to see it now completely painted. 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: Frank Clarici 
> 
> > It's OEW now and it came out pretty good. 
> > 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out. 
> > If not, we'll paint it again. 
> > 
> > http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg 
> > http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg 
> > http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg 
> > http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg 
> > http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg 
> > http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > Toms River, NJ 
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From tinydog at snet.net  Mon Oct 20 19:57:20 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:57:20 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <102120080157.10903.48FD3700000C0F0300002A9722243322829B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog sez:

very nice / most impressive

but tinydog asked:

why another white bugeye?
 -------------- Original message from Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>: --------------


> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
> If not, we'll paint it again.
> 
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg

From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net  Mon Oct 20 19:56:00 2008
From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:56:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye key switch
Message-ID: <50498.72.71.229.10.1224554160.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>

Any hints on getting a new key switch tight in the dash. It's in the hole,
wire holder screwed around circumference on back, but it's not tight up
against the dash.  Is it supposed to rotate in the hole somehow?
Thanks
Dick Byrne

From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 20:14:26 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:14:26 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye key switch
In-Reply-To: <50498.72.71.229.10.1224554160.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>
References: <50498.72.71.229.10.1224554160.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net>
Message-ID: <48FD3B02.9000502@comcast.net>

lindalnhvt at nhvt.net wrote:
> Any hints on getting a new key switch tight in the dash. 
Ditch the wire basket clamp and use a hose clamp, just position the 
screw so you can get to it when the switch is in the dash.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 20:16:41 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:16:41 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <102120080157.10903.48FD3700000C0F0300002A9722243322829B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
References: <102120080157.10903.48FD3700000C0F0300002A9722243322829B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
Message-ID: <48FD3B89.6000000@comcast.net>

tinydog at snet.net wrote:
> but tinydog asked:
>
> why another white bugeye?
>
>   
When I asked the priest what color he wanted, he said anything but BLACK!
He said I want it as far away from black as it can be.
So it's white.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From jlaird237 at cox.net  Mon Oct 20 21:17:40 2008
From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:17:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
References: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
	<DD006247-D349-4AEE-A34D-1F0FE8CF867C@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CBEEFDBB978A43EDA0980B29AF9B1EE2@personal>

Hay Frank, when do the rear springs get rebuilt?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Nase" <nases at verizon.net>
To: "Frank Clarici" <spritenut at comcast.net>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!


> Looks great Frank!
>
> Phil Nase
> Quakertown, PA
> http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Frank Clarici wrote:
>
>> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
>> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
>> If not, we'll paint it again.
>>
>> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
>> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
>> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
>> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
>> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
>> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg
>>
>> -- 
>> Frank Clarici
>> Toms River, NJ
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From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 21:40:51 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:40:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
References: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <742F64C4817644808EE8EAC08BBAB6DD@blackbox2>

Looks strangely familiar.
Very authentic looking I might add.

The nice thing about that color is you can put a couple of red vinyl "P"s on the doors and you'll have a good parade car for when 
the Phillies win the series.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Clarici" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!


> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 00:06:42 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:06:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD3201.2030100@comcast.net>
References: <695323.112.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48FD3201.2030100@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48FD7172.6070706@gmail.com>

   Ass crack for everyone!
   Frank Clarici wrote:

David Booker wrote:

Frank,
Looks great from here.  Can't wait to help get it all back together.
Any special instructions for the rebuild team - like don't wear a belt
with a metal buckle while leaning over anything...

No buckles, no rivets in the pockets, no metal buttons on the shirts,
and keep your zippers away from the car!

From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU  Tue Oct 21 09:26:48 2008
From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 4th gear locked out
In-Reply-To: <BLU104-W53D6A0F28A26A6344B5452BF2E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU104-W53D6A0F28A26A6344B5452BF2E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48FDF4B8.1030801@lehigh.edu>

Len Hansen wrote:
> I have a Rib cased gearbox behind a fresh 1275.  I have had the gearbox
> rebuilt and it shifted into 4th when it was out of the car.  I put it in the
> car and it will not go into 4th gear.  It feels like it hits a wall in the
> shifter.  I pulled the side case and could not really fix a thing.  I yanked
> the engine and gear box out of the car.  Of course that got me to fresh up the
> bearings and rings, and rebuilt the head.  Low miles since last total rebuild,
> but why not.  Anyway, the gearbox shifted into 4th outside the car.  I,
> without much thought, guessed I put the shifter securing plate on wrong.  So I
> put the springs in the holes on the side cover and stuck it back into the car.
> The motor is running great.  It did eject 1/2 quart of oil onto the garage
> floor after my first run.  I am thinking Crankcase ventilation and break in
> blow by. It does seem to be getting better. NOW PROBLEM.  The gearbox wont go
> into 4th gear again.  ANY IDEAS???  signed Desperate...
> _________________________________________________________________
>   
Len,
Did you have a look at the pilot bushing during the rebuild to see that 
it's not excessively worn? I am thinking there may be an alignment 
problem, and I might freshen the pilot bushing, and remove and reinstall 
the clutch.
Regards,
John
Fogelsville, PA

From bkitterer at mac.com  Tue Oct 21 10:57:36 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:36 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <C5228011.1A58F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C5228011.1A58F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <7ACB7A49-2C25-479A-9A79-586287C7CE54@mac.com>

The placards on the Bentley and RR at the Gilmore Car Museum have  
bothered me for some time and having opened my mouth here it forced  
me to do some research which I should have done long ago.  I should  
mention that the Gilmore is a great museum located in SW Michigan.

The HP question:  From physics a HP is a HP is a HP - - - well not  
quite.  In Britain the RAC (Royal Automobile Club) computed  
automotive HP by an equation of their own.  This apparently work for  
early cars and indeed it was used for tax purposes hence taxable  
HP.    It continued in use into the 1960's but the RAC had made three  
assumptions which did not hold up over time.  There is an  
explanation, with the equations, at  http://www.designchambers.com/ 
wolfhound/wolfhoundRACHP.htm  It would be fun to plug in some numbers  
from current cars just to see how HP comes out in RAC HP but I do not  
have time for that now.

The following information came from various sites which do not all  
agree with each other but these were not "production line" cars so  
some variance is expected.

Bentley Speed Six (supercharged perhaps)  4850 lbs, 180 to 200 hp,  
top speed 84 to 125 mph.

RR Phantom II Sports Coupe, 5485 lbs, 43.3 RAC HP, 120 BHP, top speed  
92 mph.

Almost all Phantom II's were custom bodied but seem consistent  
mechanically with exception of wheel base.  The Bentley seems only  
slightly more consistent.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 20, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Billy Zoom wrote:

> I doubt that the Bentley weighed anywhere near as much as the  
> Rolls, but you
> can't judge anything by the top speed.   I'm sure the Rolls was  
> geared a lot
> taller, and I'll bet that was taxable horsepower, which is  
> calculated  by
> the area of the tops of the pistons and has nothing to do with power.
> Bentley's were race cars. I'll bet it got to 95 a lot quicker than an
> overweight cruiser like a Rolls.
> James Bonds Bentley was always credited with doing over 100 when he  
> wanted
> it to.
> BZ

From bkitterer at mac.com  Tue Oct 21 11:03:53 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:03:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
References: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FB29EAD9-6493-4FE8-968A-CBF9FF251293@mac.com>

Frank,

It is looking great.  Wish I could be there for the final assembly.

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 20, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Frank Clarici wrote:

> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
> If not, we'll paint it again.
>
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 11:15:11 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <7ACB7A49-2C25-479A-9A79-586287C7CE54@mac.com>
References: <C5228011.1A58F%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<7ACB7A49-2C25-479A-9A79-586287C7CE54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810211015t7c5619edq7cbe004028d81010@mail.gmail.com>

Billy alludes to the point here without quite hitting it on the head. Fact
is, BHP or HP by any measure really has nothing to do with speed. Only in
elapsed time to reach a given speed. I have seen a 20 HP motorcycle reach
110 mph because of its wheel diameter and gearing. Likewise, I have seen 200
HP V-8s that couldn't hit 90 MPH.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Kitterer Bob <bkitterer at mac.com> wrote:

> The placards on the Bentley and RR at the Gilmore Car Museum have
> bothered me for some time and having opened my mouth here it forced
> me to do some research which I should have done long ago.  I should
> mention that the Gilmore is a great museum located in SW Michigan.
>
> The HP question:  From physics a HP is a HP is a HP - - - well not
> quite.  In Britain the RAC (Royal Automobile Club) computed
> automotive HP by an equation of their own.  This apparently work for
> early cars and indeed it was used for tax purposes hence taxable
> HP.    It continued in use into the 1960's but the RAC had made three
> assumptions which did not hold up over time.  There is an
> explanation, with the equations, at  http://www.designchambers.com/
> wolfhound/wolfhoundRACHP.htm  It would be fun to plug in some numbers
> from current cars just to see how HP comes out in RAC HP but I do not
> have time for that now.
>
> The following information came from various sites which do not all
> agree with each other but these were not "production line" cars so
> some variance is expected.
>
> Bentley Speed Six (supercharged perhaps)  4850 lbs, 180 to 200 hp,
> top speed 84 to 125 mph.
>
> RR Phantom II Sports Coupe, 5485 lbs, 43.3 RAC HP, 120 BHP, top speed
> 92 mph.
>
> Almost all Phantom II's were custom bodied but seem consistent
> mechanically with exception of wheel base.  The Bentley seems only
> slightly more consistent.
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Billy Zoom wrote:
>
> > I doubt that the Bentley weighed anywhere near as much as the
> > Rolls, but you
> > can't judge anything by the top speed.   I'm sure the Rolls was
> > geared a lot
> > taller, and I'll bet that was taxable horsepower, which is
> > calculated  by
> > the area of the tops of the pistons and has nothing to do with power.
> > Bentley's were race cars. I'll bet it got to 95 a lot quicker than an
> > overweight cruiser like a Rolls.
> > James Bonds Bentley was always credited with doing over 100 when he
> > wanted
> > it to.
> > BZ
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Jim

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 21 11:59:09 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:59:09 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
Message-ID: <c81.3c04b01c.362f726d@aol.com>

Woahhhhh woahhh 
 
you'll be putting it together butt naked if this thread continues.
 
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 21/10/2008 02:35:16 GMT Daylight Time,  
spritenut at comcast.net writes:

No  buckles, no rivets in the pockets, no metal buttons on the shirts, 
and  keep your zippers away from the car!

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 21 12:06:45 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:06:45 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
Message-ID: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>

Not so.
 
Top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag and BHP.  To go faster you  need 
less drag or more bhp or both.
 
Acceleration on the other hand is limited by lb/f torque to weight ratio  (to 
the point where the drag is greater than bhp and limits top speed and  
therein acceleration).
 
The motorcycle has less drag than a car (less frontal area really) so needs  
less bhp to reach its maximum speed.  The wheel diameter is neither here  nor 
their because the gearing controls the gearing and the wheel diameter is  just 
one factor.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 21/10/2008 18:15:47 GMT Daylight Time,  bmwwxman at gmail.com 
writes:

Fact
is, BHP or HP by any measure really has nothing to do with  speed. Only in
elapsed time to reach a given speed. I have seen a 20 HP  motorcycle reach
110 mph because of its wheel diameter and gearing.  Likewise, I have seen 200
HP V-8s that couldn't hit 90  MPH.

Cheers!!
Jim

From mgraziano at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 12:53:04 2008
From: mgraziano at austin.rr.com (Michael Graziano)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:53:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
Message-ID: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>

Hey everyone,

 

I sent an email a few weeks ago about spridget shirts, but only had a few
people order them.  I really need to sell some of the inventory, as I have
over 100 (which equates to over $2,000 invested).  So please buy a spridget
shirt.  They're really nice shirts made with a very nice fabric.  They're
quite durable, and very comfortable.  Don't mind the fat guy modeling them
on the website, they look real nice.

 

 

 

I have 10 small, 5 medium, 27 Large, 61 extra large, 15 XXL, and 2 4XL in
White, Red, Yellow, a manly aqua, black and tan/beige.  I'm hoping a bunch
of you need XL.  Cost is $23 plus shipping.

 

The shirts can be seen and ordered on my website:

 

http://www.thehomeretreat.com/ProductPage.aspx?productid=1109

 

Again, I'm selling these at cost.  They're really nice shirts made from an
excellent material.  The spridgets logo (Toby's version) is embroidered in
color on the front.  Some of the red and black have the OSHIT logos on the
back in XL and XXL.  If you specifically want an OSHIT, please let me know
in the comments and I'll try to accommodate you.  First come, first served,
especially in the smaller sizes.

 

They make great x-mas presents for your favorite gear head.  

 

Thanks everyone for some good times and great friendships.

 

Best,

 

Michael Graziano

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Tue Oct 21 12:58:31 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:58:31 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>
References: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4DBDB57F-0909-4E6C-A476-4EA9FCD70991@comcast.net>

Maybe this is a matter of semantics...

True, the motorcycle absolute top speed is limited by drag and HP.

However, for a motorcycle with an top speed limited by gearing or  
engine revs then a larger diameter tire will allow for a higher top  
speed ALTHOUGH this tip speed may not be the absolute top speed  
limited by drag.

For example a 20 hp bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and  
pretending that the tranny is direct drive) will turn the tires 6000  
revs.  If those are 10 inch circumference tires then the bike will go  
speed x,(no, I'm not going to calculate it out.) but if you have 20  
inch circumference tires then the bike will go twice as fast *** IF  
*** it is not limited by drag and that the engine can turn the 20  
inch circumference tires at 6000 revs.


Lester

On Oct 21, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:

> Not so.
>
> Top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag and BHP.  To go faster  
> you  need
> less drag or more bhp or both.
>
> Acceleration on the other hand is limited by lb/f torque to weight  
> ratio  (to
> the point where the drag is greater than bhp and limits top speed and
> therein acceleration).
>
> The motorcycle has less drag than a car (less frontal area really)  
> so needs
> less bhp to reach its maximum speed.  The wheel diameter is neither  
> here  nor
> their because the gearing controls the gearing and the wheel  
> diameter is  just
> one factor.
>
> W e s l a k e 1330
>
> In a message dated 21/10/2008 18:15:47 GMT Daylight Time,   
> bmwwxman at gmail.com
> writes:
>
> Fact
> is, BHP or HP by any measure really has nothing to do with  speed.  
> Only in
> elapsed time to reach a given speed. I have seen a 20 HP   
> motorcycle reach
> 110 mph because of its wheel diameter and gearing.  Likewise, I  
> have seen 200
> HP V-8s that couldn't hit 90  MPH.
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
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> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From tinydog at snet.net  Tue Oct 21 13:20:56 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:20:56 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
In-Reply-To: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>
Message-ID: <102120081920.14408.48FE2B980005CFE10000384822218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog asked:

How small is "small"? I need something on the tiny side.

tiny thanks

 -------------- Original message from "Michael Graziano" <mgraziano at austin.rr.com>: --------------



> I have 10 small, 5 medium, 27 Large, 61 extra large, 15 XXL, and 2 4XL in
> White, Red, Yellow, a manly aqua, black and tan/beige.  I'm hoping a bunch
> of you need XL.  Cost is $23 plus shipping.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 21 14:38:04 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:38:04 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
Message-ID: <cae.365fbcd2.362f97ac@aol.com>

Not really.  The wheel diameter is irrelevant because that's what  gearing is 
all about.
 
The engine has a max rpm and in an ideal world it makes it's max power at  
that rpm.  If you know the drag for the motorcycle you number crunch to  
calculate the top speed for the power it produces.  Lastly you gear the  motorcycle 
to produce that speed at that rpm.  On a motorbike you can  increase the drive 
sprocket size or you can reduce the wheel sprocket size to  change the overall 
gearing.  You can change the wheel size but you don't  need to because it's 
simpler to swap sprockets.
 
To say the wheel diameter effects top speed on a motorcycle and makes it go  
faster is like saying fitting 15inch wheels to a Spridget will make it go  
faster.  The fact is on a Spridget you fit a taller diff rather than  increase 
the wheel diameter.  Also on the Spridget neither fitting a 5  speed box or a 
taller diff increases the top speed unless it was undergeared in  the first 
place.  In fact a lot of power tuned Spridgets might have a  higher top speed in 
4th than 5th because using 4th at 110mph+ drops the rpm  better on the peak 
power than using 5th does.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 21/10/2008 19:58:57 GMT Daylight Time,  
oldsaabguy at comcast.net writes:

Maybe  this is a matter of semantics...

True, the motorcycle absolute top  speed is limited by drag and HP.

However, for a motorcycle with an top  speed limited by gearing or  
engine revs then a larger diameter tire  will allow for a higher top  
speed ALTHOUGH this tip speed may not be  the absolute top speed  
limited by drag.

For example a 20 hp  bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and  
pretending that the tranny  is direct drive) will turn the tires 6000  
revs.  If those are  10 inch circumference tires then the bike will go  
speed x,(no, I'm  not going to calculate it out.) but if you have 20  
inch  circumference tires then the bike will go twice as fast *** IF  
***  it is not limited by drag and that the engine can turn the 20  
inch  circumference tires at 6000 revs.

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Tue Oct 21 14:40:41 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:40:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <4DBDB57F-0909-4E6C-A476-4EA9FCD70991@comcast.net>
References: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>
	<4DBDB57F-0909-4E6C-A476-4EA9FCD70991@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0C7A7FA9-4571-4FA6-90E9-B14F42C6CD64@comcast.net>

hmm.. lemme correct a few typos..


On Oct 21, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Lester wrote:

> Maybe this is a matter of semantics...
>
> True, the motorcycle "absolute top speed", for lack of a better  
> term, is limited by drag and HP.
>
> However, for a motorcycle with a top speed limited by gearing or  
> limited by engine revs then a larger diameter tire will allow for a  
> higher top speed ALTHOUGH this top speed may not be the "absolute  
> top speed" limited by drag.
>
> For example a 20 hp bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and  
> pretending that the tranny is direct drive) will turn the tires  
> 6000 revs.

> If those are 10 inch circumference tires then the bike will go  
> speed x,(no, I'm not going to calculate it out.) but if you replace  
> those tires with 20 inch circumference tires then the bike will go  
> twice as fast *** IF *** the bike has not reached is theoretical  
> drag-limited top speed and that the engine can turn the 20 inch  
> circumference tires at 6000 revs.
>
>
> Lester
>
> On Oct 21, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Weslake1330 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Not so.
>>
>> Top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag and BHP.  To go faster  
>> you  need
>> less drag or more bhp or both.
>>
>> Acceleration on the other hand is limited by lb/f torque to weight  
>> ratio  (to
>> the point where the drag is greater than bhp and limits top speed and
>> therein acceleration).
>>
>> The motorcycle has less drag than a car (less frontal area really)  
>> so needs
>> less bhp to reach its maximum speed.  The wheel diameter is  
>> neither here  nor
>> their because the gearing controls the gearing and the wheel  
>> diameter is  just
>> one factor.
>>
>> W e s l a k e 1330
>>
>> In a message dated 21/10/2008 18:15:47 GMT Daylight Time,   
>> bmwwxman at gmail.com
>> writes:
>>
>> Fact
>> is, BHP or HP by any measure really has nothing to do with  speed.  
>> Only in
>> elapsed time to reach a given speed. I have seen a 20 HP   
>> motorcycle reach
>> 110 mph because of its wheel diameter and gearing.  Likewise, I  
>> have seen 200
>> HP V-8s that couldn't hit 90  MPH.
>>
>> Cheers!!
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net
>>
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>>
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:21:15 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
In-Reply-To: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>
References: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810211421j45a5ff68lfac018ca7b0655d8@mail.gmail.com>

All,

NFI at all, but I have 2 of these great shirts and love them!  They are
worth every dime.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Michael Graziano
<mgraziano at austin.rr.com>wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
>
>
> I sent an email a few weeks ago about spridget shirts, but only had a few
> people order them.  I really need to sell some of the inventory, as I have
> over 100 (which equates to over $2,000 invested).  So please buy a spridget
> shirt.  They're really nice shirts made with a very nice fabric.  They're
> quite durable, and very comfortable.  Don't mind the fat guy modeling them
> on the website, they look real nice.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have 10 small, 5 medium, 27 Large, 61 extra large, 15 XXL, and 2 4XL in
> White, Red, Yellow, a manly aqua, black and tan/beige.  I'm hoping a bunch
> of you need XL.  Cost is $23 plus shipping.
>
>
>
> The shirts can be seen and ordered on my website:
>
>
>
> http://www.thehomeretreat.com/ProductPage.aspx?productid=1109
>
>
>
> Again, I'm selling these at cost.  They're really nice shirts made from an
> excellent material.  The spridgets logo (Toby's version) is embroidered in
> color on the front.  Some of the red and black have the OSHIT logos on the
> back in XL and XXL.  If you specifically want an OSHIT, please let me know
> in the comments and I'll try to accommodate you.  First come, first served,
> especially in the smaller sizes.
>
>
>
> They make great x-mas presents for your favorite gear head.
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone for some good times and great friendships.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Michael Graziano
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com
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-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:55:33 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:33 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
References: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <205cef430810211455g5375c5b2lf57029f24ba1a02d@mail.gmail.com>

Very very cool Frank. Looks great!
Lin

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>wrote:

> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
> If not, we'll paint it again.
>
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 17:24:14 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>
Message-ID: <532898.67910.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Weslake1330 at aol.com <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:
> Top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag and BHP. 

Rolling friction, too.
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From billmasq at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 17:37:49 2008
From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:37:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
References: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
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Man Frank (and all who helped!!)
That car looks great! You done GOOD!

Bill

> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:09:48 -0400
> From: spritenut at comcast.net
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
>
> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
> If not, we'll paint it again.
>
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
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From bkitterer at mac.com  Tue Oct 21 17:45:54 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:45:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <4DBDB57F-0909-4E6C-A476-4EA9FCD70991@comcast.net>
References: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>
	<4DBDB57F-0909-4E6C-A476-4EA9FCD70991@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FF2E1953-8B10-4AEA-8E95-6BDFE49FC989@mac.com>

Going from 10 to 20 inch wheels at the same rpm will be three times  
as fast  not twice - C= pi D  :-0

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Lester wrote:

> For example a 20 hp bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and  
> pretending that the tranny is direct drive) will turn the tires  
> 6000 revs.  If those are 10 inch circumference tires then the bike  
> will go speed x,(no, I'm not going to calculate it out.) but if you  
> have 20 inch circumference tires then the bike will go twice as  
> fast *** IF *** it is not limited by drag and that the engine can  
> turn the 20 inch circumference tires at 6000 revs.

From hal at katemuir.com  Tue Oct 21 18:19:06 2008
From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:19:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <FF2E1953-8B10-4AEA-8E95-6BDFE49FC989@mac.com>
Message-ID: <HJECLIGCCJIHGFIGICMFCEDGJBAA.hal@katemuir.com>

Bob,
Circumference of 10" wheel is 31.4159.... inches (10 pi)
Circumference of a 20 inch wheel is     62.82318 (20 pi = 2(10 pi))
Hal

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Kitterer Bob
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:46 PM
To: Spridget List
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed


Going from 10 to 20 inch wheels at the same rpm will be three times  
as fast  not twice - C= pi D  :-0

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Lester wrote:

> For example a 20 hp bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and  
> pretending that the tranny is direct drive) will turn the tires  
> 6000 revs.  If those are 10 inch circumference tires then the bike  
> will go speed x,(no, I'm not going to calculate it out.) but if you  
> have 20 inch circumference tires then the bike will go twice as  
> fast *** IF *** it is not limited by drag and that the engine can  
> turn the 20 inch circumference tires at 6000 revs.
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From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct 21 18:47:09 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:47:09 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <7ACB7A49-2C25-479A-9A79-586287C7CE54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C523C61D.1A5E2%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Bentley Speed Six (supercharged perhaps)  4850 lbs, 180 to 200 hp,
> top speed 84 to 125 mph.
How did they pack that much weight into such a performance oriented car?
They even had fabric bodies to save weight.
The only Bentley specs I've seen were that James Bond's could still do over
100mph.  I don't think that was one with a blower either, although he went
through several and I'd have to re-read the books again to remember which
was which.

From soavero at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 18:56:20 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:56:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] KC Sprite at auction
Message-ID: <314637.5504.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This came across in the Mecum Auction newsletter. Looks like a good driver, although extremely red. Interesting to see what it brings in a muscle car auction in a down economy in winter in the midwest.....

http://tinyurl.com/mecum1

Ron

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct 21 19:05:26 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <c81.3c04b01c.362f726d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C523CA66.1A5E6%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> No  buckles, no rivets in the pockets, no metal buttons on the shirts,
> and  keep your zippers away from the car!
That's never kept me from hitting it with the hose.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct 21 19:07:07 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:07:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C523CACB.1A5E7%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag and BHP.  To go faster you  need
> less drag or more bhp or both.
>  
> Acceleration on the other hand is limited by lb/f torque to weight ratio  (to
> the point where the drag is greater than bhp and limits top speed and
> therein acceleration).
And gearing/ engine RPM.

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Tue Oct 21 20:15:12 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:15:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
Message-ID: <D0852B83887F434BBD0E84639B881B91@AndrewHP>

So, despite my comments last week about the virtues of a toboggan (pot-pie
hat for Weslake1330 ;) and heater blasting, the simple fact is my '76 Midget
is about to be taken off the road.   As Doc Holiday says in Tombstone, "It
seems my hypocrisy knows no bounds".   This is partly due to the fact that
my wife leaves for her commute at 6:30AM and after one cold morning, she
agreed: she should park in the garage during winters.  Partly because the
car will winter in the drive in basement, a basement that is accessed by
driving in reverse, on grass, seriously off camber, dropping a story in the
time it takes to do a U-turn at full lock.  And oh yeah, on grass in reverse
the driver's floorboard peals back like a can of sardines.  So I'm thinking
I should avoid that particular drive until I do some landscaping or
bodywork.

 

I am hoping that y'all can help me with some tips on a significant body
update, or an insignificant restoration.  I'm looking for tips on a smooth
dismantle.  I hope to do most of the work over the next 6 months, with a
budget almost entirely dedicated to parts.  I expect to replace both sills,
both floorpans, both A pillars, and patch a few fenders.   I expect to strip
the paint, and have access to a MIG welder.  I have a decent supply of
tools, a large workspace, but poor ventilation under living quarters.   So I
know to label, bag, photograph, and return fasteners to parts.  I'll forget
occasionally.  I have the Haynes resto book, but some things aren't as
clear.

 

I am essentially cutting the car in half, so a game plan may be useful.  I
assume I should replace the driver's floorboard followed by passenger, then
interior sills, then pillars coordinated with exterior sills.  I plan buy
new panels for these repairs.

 

So.

 

What do I do about the gas tank? It was replaced shortly before I bought the
car this summer.

How far must the car be stripped to weld without damaging other parts?

What's the least noxious stripper that works?

Does the drive train need to come out? I don't own a hoist or stand, only a
transmission adapter for a floor jack.

Engine and gearbox as one piece or two?

What should I drain? What should I not?

Any suggestions on cheap wheel arches?

I have considered a donor shell, but am attached to this car, and am kind of
excited about learning this aspect of body work?

 

Any advice, tips, horror stories, or homebrew recipes would be greatly
appreciated.

 

Drew

Boone, NC

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Tue Oct 21 20:37:33 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:37:33 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <FF2E1953-8B10-4AEA-8E95-6BDFE49FC989@mac.com>
References: <c76.35050db1.362f7435@aol.com>
	<4DBDB57F-0909-4E6C-A476-4EA9FCD70991@comcast.net>
	<FF2E1953-8B10-4AEA-8E95-6BDFE49FC989@mac.com>
Message-ID: <01FFC4AD-4890-46F6-ACC0-50C49ABC4CC6@comcast.net>

which is why I specified circumference not diameter..  ahem..

Lester

;-0


On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Kitterer Bob wrote:

> Going from 10 to 20 inch wheels at the same rpm will be three times
> as fast  not twice - C= pi D  :-0
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Lester wrote:
>
>> For example a 20 hp bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and
>> pretending that the tranny is direct drive) will turn the tires
>> 6000 revs.  If those are 10 inch circumference tires then the bike
>> will go speed x,(no, I'm not going to calculate it out.) but if you
>> have 20 inch circumference tires then the bike will go twice as
>> fast *** IF *** it is not limited by drag and that the engine can
>> turn the 20 inch circumference tires at 6000 revs.
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From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Tue Oct 21 20:39:01 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <HJECLIGCCJIHGFIGICMFCEDGJBAA.hal@katemuir.com>
References: <HJECLIGCCJIHGFIGICMFCEDGJBAA.hal@katemuir.com>
Message-ID: <2F41F1FF-9F11-4DFC-AB21-540EA49B5E05@comcast.net>

Certainly true and why i specified a wheel with a circumference of 10  
" not a DIAMETER of 10"..  you're one of those guys who never read the  
question through aren't you?  ;-))

Lester


On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Hal Faulkner wrote:

> Bob,
> Circumference of 10" wheel is 31.4159.... inches (10 pi)
> Circumference of a 20 inch wheel is     62.82318 (20 pi = 2(10 pi))
> Hal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Kitterer Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:46 PM
> To: Spridget List
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
>
>
> Going from 10 to 20 inch wheels at the same rpm will be three times
> as fast  not twice - C= pi D  :-0
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Lester wrote:
>
>> For example a 20 hp bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and
>> pretending that the tranny is direct drive) will turn the tires
>> 6000 revs.  If those are 10 inch circumference tires then the bike
>> will go speed x,(no, I'm not going to calculate it out.) but if you
>> have 20 inch circumference tires then the bike will go twice as
>> fast *** IF *** it is not limited by drag and that the engine can
>> turn the 20 inch circumference tires at 6000 revs.
> You are subscribed as hal at katemuir.com
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Tue Oct 21 20:46:36 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:46:36 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
In-Reply-To: <D0852B83887F434BBD0E84639B881B91@AndrewHP>
References: <D0852B83887F434BBD0E84639B881B91@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <48FE940C.1020107@comcast.net>

Andrew Payne wrote:
>  
>
> What do I do about the gas tank? It was replaced shortly before I bought the
> car this summer.
>   
Pull it out. No welding with gas near by.
> How far must the car be stripped to weld without damaging other parts?
>   
Seats, rubber, brakes all should come out.
> What's the least noxious stripper that works?
>   
Sand paper.
> Does the drive train need to come out? I don't own a hoist or stand, only a
> transmission adapter for a floor jack.
>   
It doesn't have to but it's a whole lot easier to roll the car on it's 
side to fix 1/2 the floor and one sill, then flip it the other way
and do the other side. This way you can use the original side for 
measurements.
> Engine and gearbox as one piece or two?
>   

> What should I drain? What should I not?
>   
Drain everything if you are rolling the car on it's side.
> Any suggestions on cheap wheel arches?
>
>   
Cut something off a junk yard car that doesn't have rust, alter it to fit.
I wish I did this on my Dad's BMW last Spring, I didn't think of it but 
someone told me they did the same thing.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Tue Oct 21 20:45:29 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:45:29 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive
Message-ID: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>

Today, I backed out of the shop, drove down the block in the rain, and returned - a total of two blocks.  This is the first time it has been out since May.  I can only get into first from second; reverse crunches.  I need a new water pump.  One tire won't hold air.  

Is this fun?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From cmanuel at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 20:58:35 2008
From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive
In-Reply-To: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
Message-ID: <20081022025835.LQAA28257.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL>

Nothing fell off?

Cool!

Chris
66MKIII

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Rowe
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:45 PM
To: Spridget Chat Group
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive

Today, I backed out of the shop, drove down the block in the rain, and
returned - a total of two blocks.  This is the first time it has been out
since May.  I can only get into first from second; reverse crunches.  I need
a new water pump.  One tire won't hold air.  

Is this fun?

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Tue Oct 21 21:51:03 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:51:03 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric MINI
Message-ID: <48FEA327.1030009@wi.net>

OK, who do we know in New Jersey that should volunteer for this??  ;-)
I would but they're not piloting it in WI.  I'd love to see how it 
compares with my 2005 S.
Dave
Burlington WI

http://www.miniusa.com/?eid=179&tid=628&deepLink=/learn/MINIE-m&pid=1035419#/learn/MINIE-m   

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Tue Oct 21 22:07:34 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:07:34 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810211421j45a5ff68lfac018ca7b0655d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>
	<43840a7e0810211421j45a5ff68lfac018ca7b0655d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FEA706.9090002@wi.net>

DITTO!  I just received mine (thanks Michael!).  Great shirts.
Dave 59 :{)
Burlington WI


Jim Johnson wrote:
> All,
>
> NFI at all, but I have 2 of these great shirts and love them!  They are
> worth every dime.
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 23:25:40 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:25:40 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric MINI
In-Reply-To: <48FEA327.1030009@wi.net>
References: <48FEA327.1030009@wi.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810212225g572d2346p7767c1b9bf68c0be@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm...  I'm thinking Frankie Clarici - scion of the master... who has a
rather nice original Mini for sale I believe...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:

> OK, who do we know in New Jersey that should volunteer for this??  ;-)
> I would but they're not piloting it in WI.  I'd love to see how it compares
> with my 2005 S.
> Dave
> Burlington WI
>
>
> http://www.miniusa.com/?eid=179&tid=628&deepLink=/learn/MINIE-m&pid=1035419#/learn/MINIE-m  _______________________________________________

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Wed Oct 22 00:12:05 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:12:05 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric MINI
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810212225g572d2346p7767c1b9bf68c0be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FEA327.1030009@wi.net>
	<43840a7e0810212225g572d2346p7767c1b9bf68c0be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FEC435.40109@wi.net>

I think we have a winner!  Urban area, lots of regenerative braking, 150 
mile range....GO for it Frank; for the kid!

No zoom-zoom-zoom but rather Zaaaap-Zaaaap-Zaaaap!
Dave
59 :{)
Burlington Wi   now it's bedtime; geez I hate catching up on email in 
all one night!

Jim Johnson wrote:
> Hmmm...  I'm thinking Frankie Clarici - scion of the master... who has a
> rather nice original Mini for sale I believe...
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> OK, who do we know in New Jersey that should volunteer for this??  ;-)
>> I would but they're not piloting it in WI.  I'd love to see how it compares
>> with my 2005 S.
>> Dave
>> Burlington WI
>>
>>
>> http://www.miniusa.com/?eid=179&tid=628&deepLink=/learn/MINIE-m&pid=1035419#/learn/MINIE-m  _______________________________________________

From bkitterer at mac.com  Wed Oct 22 01:06:43 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:06:43 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <HJECLIGCCJIHGFIGICMFCEDGJBAA.hal@katemuir.com>
References: <HJECLIGCCJIHGFIGICMFCEDGJBAA.hal@katemuir.com>
Message-ID: <DAE393C7-2D65-4A0C-B611-8C5085B8A1C5@mac.com>

Brain fart - - sorry

Bob Kitterer

On Oct 21, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Hal Faulkner wrote:

> Bob,
> Circumference of 10" wheel is 31.4159.... inches (10 pi)
> Circumference of a 20 inch wheel is     62.82318 (20 pi = 2(10 pi))
> Hal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Kitterer Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:46 PM
> To: Spridget List
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
>
>
> Going from 10 to 20 inch wheels at the same rpm will be three times
> as fast  not twice - C= pi D  :-0
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Lester wrote:
>
>> For example a 20 hp bike motor that will turn 6000 revs (and
>> pretending that the tranny is direct drive) will turn the tires
>> 6000 revs.  If those are 10 inch circumference tires then the bike
>> will go speed x,(no, I'm not going to calculate it out.) but if you
>> have 20 inch circumference tires then the bike will go twice as
>> fast *** IF *** it is not limited by drag and that the engine can
>> turn the 20 inch circumference tires at 6000 revs.
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 03:54:36 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Electric MINI
In-Reply-To: <48FEA327.1030009@wi.net>
References: <48FEA327.1030009@wi.net>
Message-ID: <205cef430810220254m7cfd9c4aj472dcc61fc552550@mail.gmail.com>

I'm on their list but it all depends on what they are going to charge for
this short term lease, I'm in Jersey too! I'll keep you posted.
Lin

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:51 PM, David Woerpel <dwoerpel at wi.net> wrote:

> OK, who do we know in New Jersey that should volunteer for this??  ;-)
> I would but they're not piloting it in WI.  I'd love to see how it compares
> with my 2005 S.
> Dave
> Burlington WI
>
>
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 04:04:31 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:04:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive
In-Reply-To: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
References: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
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Hey Mike glad to hear you have it out what's up with the transmission?
Lin

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Michael Rowe <mdrowe at optonline.net> wrote:

> Today, I backed out of the shop, drove down the block in the rain, and
> returned - a total of two blocks.  This is the first time it has been out
> since May.  I can only get into first from second; reverse crunches.  I need
> a new water pump.  One tire won't hold air.
>
> Is this fun?
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
> Long Island, NY
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From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Wed Oct 22 05:31:58 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:31:58 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
In-Reply-To: <48FE940C.1020107@comcast.net>
References: <D0852B83887F434BBD0E84639B881B91@AndrewHP>
	<48FE940C.1020107@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2B8BC4C196A64DDC928A27D92A25ACF9@AndrewHP>

Thanks, How exactly do you roll it over?  Do you just get a few friends, and
roll it onto a blanket?


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Clarici [mailto:spritenut at comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:47 PM
To: Andrew Payne
Cc: 'Midget Group at team.net'
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty

Andrew Payne wrote:
>  
>
> What do I do about the gas tank? It was replaced shortly before I bought
the
> car this summer.
>   
Pull it out. No welding with gas near by.
> How far must the car be stripped to weld without damaging other parts?
>   
Seats, rubber, brakes all should come out.
> What's the least noxious stripper that works?
>   
Sand paper.
> Does the drive train need to come out? I don't own a hoist or stand, only
a
> transmission adapter for a floor jack.
>   
It doesn't have to but it's a whole lot easier to roll the car on it's 
side to fix 1/2 the floor and one sill, then flip it the other way
and do the other side. This way you can use the original side for 
measurements.
> Engine and gearbox as one piece or two?
>   

> What should I drain? What should I not?
>   
Drain everything if you are rolling the car on it's side.
> Any suggestions on cheap wheel arches?
>
>   
Cut something off a junk yard car that doesn't have rust, alter it to fit.
I wish I did this on my Dad's BMW last Spring, I didn't think of it but 
someone told me they did the same thing.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 22 05:38:57 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive
References: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
	<205cef430810220304j33f4ed58x258d529124469591@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C22E74EAFA8F44BA83FEB280C5BD5747@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Grunthaner" <grunthaner at gmail.com>
To: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
Cc: "Spridget Chat Group" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] First drive


Hey Mike glad to hear you have it out what's up with the transmission?
Lin

==============================

Oh, man, you have no idea how tough it is to let that one slide.

Mike, put it away... this is a family-friendly list.

Anon

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Wed Oct 22 05:43:40 2008
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] KC Sprite at auction
In-Reply-To: <314637.5504.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <314637.5504.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130810220443q66148fabm19722fe5590a6235@mail.gmail.com>

Do you believe that top is the factory original?

Mike MacLean
60 Sprite

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> This came across in the Mecum Auction newsletter. Looks like a good driver,
> although extremely red. Interesting to see what it brings in a muscle car
> auction in a down economy in winter in the midwest.....
>
> http://tinyurl.com/mecum1
>
> Ron
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From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 06:01:56 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:01:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
In-Reply-To: <2B8BC4C196A64DDC928A27D92A25ACF9@AndrewHP>
References: <D0852B83887F434BBD0E84639B881B91@AndrewHP>
	<48FE940C.1020107@comcast.net>
	<2B8BC4C196A64DDC928A27D92A25ACF9@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810220501o13dbcc2clc7056d47183fa75f@mail.gmail.com>

I stripped a 65 down to just the shell, and my wife and I were able to pick
it up and move it. Take out the drivetrain, and you should be able to roll
it onto an old mattress (to protect the metal from bending) with a friend or
two.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Andrew Payne <andrewpayne at intrex.net>wrote:

> Thanks, How exactly do you roll it over?  Do you just get a few friends,
> and
> roll it onto a blanket?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Clarici [mailto:spritenut at comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:47 PM
> To: Andrew Payne
> Cc: 'Midget Group at team.net'
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
>
> Andrew Payne wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do I do about the gas tank? It was replaced shortly before I bought
> the
> > car this summer.
> >
> Pull it out. No welding with gas near by.
> > How far must the car be stripped to weld without damaging other parts?
> >
> Seats, rubber, brakes all should come out.
> > What's the least noxious stripper that works?
> >
> Sand paper.
> > Does the drive train need to come out? I don't own a hoist or stand, only
> a
> > transmission adapter for a floor jack.
> >
> It doesn't have to but it's a whole lot easier to roll the car on it's
> side to fix 1/2 the floor and one sill, then flip it the other way
> and do the other side. This way you can use the original side for
> measurements.
> > Engine and gearbox as one piece or two?
> >
>
> > What should I drain? What should I not?
> >
> Drain everything if you are rolling the car on it's side.
> > Any suggestions on cheap wheel arches?
> >
> >
> Cut something off a junk yard car that doesn't have rust, alter it to fit.
> I wish I did this on my Dad's BMW last Spring, I didn't think of it but
> someone told me they did the same thing.
>
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 22 07:00:12 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:00:12 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] KC Sprite at auction
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130810220443q66148fabm19722fe5590a6235@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F35F4C790147351664F51EAB8290@phx.gbl>

Here's an '80 that looks nice in the pics ... if anyone is interested.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/68xqw5
NFI
What you read and see is all that I know about it.

Robert D.


On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

 > This came across in the Mecum Auction newsletter. Looks like a good 
driver,
 > although extremely red. Interesting to see what it brings in a muscle car
 > auction in a down economy in winter in the midwest.....
 >
 > http://tinyurl.com/mecum1
 >
 > Ron

From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Oct 22 07:29:37 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive
In-Reply-To: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
References: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
Message-ID: <200810220629930.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

At 09:45 PM 10/21/2008, Michael Rowe wrote:
>Today, I backed out of the shop, drove down the block in the rain, 
>and returned - a total of two blocks.  This is the first time it has 
>been out since May.  I can only get into first from second; reverse 
>crunches.  I need a new water pump.

Not necessarily, Mike. It may weep from non use. Give it a little 
more time to run in before you condemn it, unless you can feel a loose bearing.

Good it's moving!

Peter 

From biffjones at verizon.net  Wed Oct 22 08:39:31 2008
From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:39:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] KC Sprite at auction,  original top
References: <314637.5504.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<d49b03130810220443q66148fabm19722fe5590a6235@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C990983131A8423DB843C3B10FE38701@dell1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" <rrengineer at dslextreme.com>
 Do you believe that top is the factory original?

Mike, it's possible.  I have a '61 Sprite with it's original top. The top 
was stored in the boot in it's original bag and is completely usable. The 
windows are clear and while it's a little tight fitting it fits. The car 
also has it's original rubber floor mats, carpet, and seat covers, and WW 
tires. If you have a copy of Bill Emerson's book, The Healey Book, it is the 
one shown for a "1960" AH Sprite.

Biff Jones
'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye
'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite
http://sprites2.homestead.com/


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From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 08:43:03 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
In-Reply-To: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W2044386C86606833178640C2290@phx.gbl>

Vigil,

I had a major problem with him a few years ago.
I had won two auctions same day, 2 different sellers.
Went to send the money orders, put em the wrong envelopes.
I got an email from other seller stating they got the wrong MO.
I apologized, tried to contact BugeyeV8 and let him know what happened.
Could he send me the MO back or to other seller.
All I got were email's saying his email was out or having problems. Use
another email address.
Used his other email address, same response.
For more than a month this is all I heard from him, both through Ebay and
personal emails.
Never got my MO back or Item I won.
Other seller sent my MO back, I sent it to BugeyeV8,
paid for 2 items, and got neither.
 Other seller was very understanding of the whole ordeal.
Couldn't leave him a feedback, since he delayed it so long.
Will never deal with him again.
Looks like he nailed you with a neg feedback a few years ago.
WHY would you want to deal with him again??


Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:43:48 -0700
> From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
>
>
> Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?
>
> He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people
who
> did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond
to
> emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
> months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.
>
> Vigil
> _______________________________________________
>

_________________________________________________________________
You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/

From John.Deikis at va.gov  Wed Oct 22 09:10:08 2008
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:10:08 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
In-Reply-To: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>
References: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA940412D5B0@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

If Johnson has TWO, I can sure buy ONE.
See ya on the website.




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Graziano [mailto:mgraziano at austin.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:53 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100

Hey everyone,



I sent an email a few weeks ago about spridget shirts, but only had a
few
people order them.  I really need to sell some of the inventory, as I
have
over 100 (which equates to over $2,000 invested).  So please buy a
spridget
shirt.  They're really nice shirts made with a very nice fabric.
They're
quite durable, and very comfortable.  Don't mind the fat guy modeling
them
on the website, they look real nice.







I have 10 small, 5 medium, 27 Large, 61 extra large, 15 XXL, and 2 4XL
in
White, Red, Yellow, a manly aqua, black and tan/beige.  I'm hoping a
bunch
of you need XL.  Cost is $23 plus shipping.



The shirts can be seen and ordered on my website:



http://www.thehomeretreat.com/ProductPage.aspx?productid=1109



Again, I'm selling these at cost.  They're really nice shirts made from
an
excellent material.  The spridgets logo (Toby's version) is embroidered
in
color on the front.  Some of the red and black have the OSHIT logos on
the
back in XL and XXL.  If you specifically want an OSHIT, please let me
know
in the comments and I'll try to accommodate you.  First come, first
served,
especially in the smaller sizes.



They make great x-mas presents for your favorite gear head.



Thanks everyone for some good times and great friendships.



Best,



Michael Graziano

From derf247 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 10:19:36 2008
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:19:36 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] How the list evolves. Thanks.
Message-ID: <5f00d9910810220919u6576afb0o1e8e8c825770e852@mail.gmail.com>

I just checked out the latest Spridget shirts.  Whoa, but they are
fancy.  I still have two of the original Spridgets at autox.team.net
shirts.  Though they are stained, they are high quality and still in
very good shape for their age.
I thought very hard about ordering some of the new fancy shirts.  They
look nice.  But, I can only imagine them with oil stains and little
holes from leaning over the engine and such.
This shirt nonsense led me to reflect over the years of list
membership.  Personalities have come and gone like cars have come and
gone.  Montana Bob, cats, Posi-drive screws, etc., etc.
I've been enlightened, amused, corrected, informed, gladdened,
saddened, inspired, insulted, and even asked to meet in a dark alley.
I've had the pleasure of being helped and the joy of helping others.
I had a crazy guy in New Jersey send me something I desperately needed
and ask for nothing in return.
I'd like to thank everyone who contributes and helps make this little
email list the best.
Special thanks go to the guy in Jersey who inspires us all.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 22 10:26:05 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:26:05 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Friction Re: Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
Message-ID: <d3f.33eb4378.3630ae1d@aol.com>

That's true and I only disregarded it because it's neglible about 50 if not  
30mph in automotive applications.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 22/10/2008 00:24:35 GMT Daylight Time, soavero at yahoo.com  
writes:

--- On  Tue, 10/21/08, Weslake1330 at aol.com <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:
>  Top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag and BHP. 

Rolling friction,  too.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 22 10:27:21 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:27:21 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Big tyres Re: Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
Message-ID: <bdc.36cdc475.3630ae69@aol.com>

Except for that that frontal area and drag will have been increased.   
Besides the solution is to half the size of wheel drive sprocket to increase  
gearing in that manner.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 22/10/2008 00:46:20 GMT Daylight Time, bkitterer at mac.com  
writes:

Going  from 10 to 20 inch wheels at the same rpm will be three times  
as  fast  not twice - C= pi D  :-0

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Oct 22 10:27:22 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:27:22 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] How the list evolves. Thanks.
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910810220919u6576afb0o1e8e8c825770e852@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61E1C54A5E1747278CB9042B3C3E1BDE@GuyLaptop>

The "asked to meet in a dark alley" wasn't from a lady with an interest in
smoothcase gearboxes was it?

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of derf
Sent: 22 October 2008 17:20
To: Spridgets
Subject: [Spridgets] How the list evolves. Thanks.


I just checked out the latest Spridget shirts.  Whoa, but they are
fancy.  I still have two of the original Spridgets at autox.team.net
shirts.  Though they are stained, they are high quality and still in
very good shape for their age.
I thought very hard about ordering some of the new fancy shirts.  They
look nice.  But, I can only imagine them with oil stains and little
holes from leaning over the engine and such.
This shirt nonsense led me to reflect over the years of list
membership.  Personalities have come and gone like cars have come and
gone.  Montana Bob, cats, Posi-drive screws, etc., etc.
I've been enlightened, amused, corrected, informed, gladdened,
saddened, inspired, insulted, and even asked to meet in a dark alley.
I've had the pleasure of being helped and the joy of helping others.
I had a crazy guy in New Jersey send me something I desperately needed
and ask for nothing in return.
I'd like to thank everyone who contributes and helps make this little
email list the best.
Special thanks go to the guy in Jersey who inspires us all.
You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk

http://www.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 22 10:32:33 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:32:33 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] AccelerationRe: Bentley-RR Trivia: was calculating speed
Message-ID: <d5b.337ead3a.3630afa1@aol.com>

That's true and I did forget to mention that gears are torque  mulipliers.  
Engine rpm can limit acceleration but peak engine torque and  bhp usually if 
not always occur before the rpm limit (rotary engines excepted. I  think).
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 22/10/2008 02:07:33 GMT Daylight Time,  
billyzoom at billyzoom.com writes:

> Top  speed is limited by aerodynamic drag and BHP.  To go faster you   need
> less drag or more bhp or both.
>  
>  Acceleration on the other hand is limited by lb/f torque to weight ratio   
(to
> the point where the drag is greater than bhp and limits top speed  and
> therein acceleration).
And gearing/ engine  RPM.

From lbc at littlebitcountry.com  Wed Oct 22 10:33:31 2008
From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:33:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
In-Reply-To: <BLU111-W2044386C86606833178640C2290@phx.gbl>
References: <698971.82946.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BLU111-W2044386C86606833178640C2290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081022123054.049ca238@littlebitcountry.com>

If it was me, I would look somewhere else for the part.
Don't ask how I know......

Dave




> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:43:48 -0700
> > From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com
> > To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Spridgets] advice on ebay seller
> >
> >
> > Any one know any thing about seller bugeyev8 on eBay?
> >
> > He has a item i would like to bid on - But he seems to have a few people
>who
> > did not like his service. The main problems seems to be he does not respond
>to
> > emails and slow delivery. He has four negatives and seven neutrals in 12
> > months. So i am kind of wondering if i should bid or not.
> >
> > Vigil

From bighealey at charter.net  Wed Oct 22 10:35:09 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:35:09 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
Message-ID: <37F1434E2781453C9039762E44516149@TRACY>

See photos

 

On a 1976 MG Midget.  The holes line up with the rear leaf u-bolts.

 

Where do they go in the stack of rear leaf assembly??  I figure they either
lower the rear end or act as final support 

 

http://healey.org/images/mystry-spacer.jpg 

 

http://healey.org/images/rear-springs.jpg 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 10:40:27 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810220501o13dbcc2clc7056d47183fa75f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0852B83887F434BBD0E84639B881B91@AndrewHP>
	<48FE940C.1020107@comcast.net>
	<2B8BC4C196A64DDC928A27D92A25ACF9@AndrewHP>
	<e98d88090810220501o13dbcc2clc7056d47183fa75f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810220940h75d948aby135463e10f2e6116@mail.gmail.com>

Brad,

It ain't heavy enough to bend the metal. You can roll it over on its side on
the concrete floor just like we did with the Holy Sprite last month.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com> wrote:

> I stripped a 65 down to just the shell, and my wife and I were able to pick
> it up and move it. Take out the drivetrain, and you should be able to roll
> it onto an old mattress (to protect the metal from bending) with a friend
> or
> two.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Andrew Payne <andrewpayne at intrex.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Thanks, How exactly do you roll it over?  Do you just get a few friends,
> > and
> > roll it onto a blanket?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Clarici [mailto:spritenut at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:47 PM
> > To: Andrew Payne
> > Cc: 'Midget Group at team.net'
> > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
> >
> > Andrew Payne wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What do I do about the gas tank? It was replaced shortly before I
> bought
> > the
> > > car this summer.
> > >
> > Pull it out. No welding with gas near by.
> > > How far must the car be stripped to weld without damaging other parts?
> > >
> > Seats, rubber, brakes all should come out.
> > > What's the least noxious stripper that works?
> > >
> > Sand paper.
> > > Does the drive train need to come out? I don't own a hoist or stand,
> only
> > a
> > > transmission adapter for a floor jack.
> > >
> > It doesn't have to but it's a whole lot easier to roll the car on it's
> > side to fix 1/2 the floor and one sill, then flip it the other way
> > and do the other side. This way you can use the original side for
> > measurements.
> > > Engine and gearbox as one piece or two?
> > >
> >
> > > What should I drain? What should I not?
> > >
> > Drain everything if you are rolling the car on it's side.
> > > Any suggestions on cheap wheel arches?
> > >
> > >
> > Cut something off a junk yard car that doesn't have rust, alter it to
> fit.
> > I wish I did this on my Dad's BMW last Spring, I didn't think of it but
> > someone told me they did the same thing.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Frank Clarici
> > Toms River, NJ
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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 22 10:59:12 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:59:12 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] How the list evolves. Thanks.
Message-ID: <cb4.44af1af3.3630b5e0@aol.com>

'Stop the madness, haven't you people got cars to work on... ' 
 
anyone have the original to post back to the list.
 
In a message dated 22/10/2008 17:20:08 GMT Daylight Time, derf247 at gmail.com  
writes:

Montana  Bob

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 22 11:01:30 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:01:30 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
Message-ID: <bc5.3750d040.3630b66a@aol.com>

They're not the things for the 1500/late handbrake linkage are they?
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 22/10/2008 17:35:32 GMT Daylight Time,  
bighealey at charter.net writes:

See  photos



On a 1976 MG Midget.  The holes line up with the  rear leaf u-bolts.



Where do they go in the stack of rear leaf  assembly??  I figure they either
lower the rear end or act as final  support 



http://healey.org/images/mystry-spacer.jpg  



http://healey.org/images/rear-springs.jpg 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 11:02:48 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:02:48 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
In-Reply-To: <bc5.3750d040.3630b66a@aol.com>
References: <bc5.3750d040.3630b66a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810221002h1e3d76c2j90c3684a36aa338c@mail.gmail.com>

Could that be a home made lowering kit?

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM, <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:

> They're not the things for the 1500/late handbrake linkage are they?
>
> W e s l a k e 1330
>
> In a message dated 22/10/2008 17:35:32 GMT Daylight Time,
> bighealey at charter.net writes:
>
> See  photos
>
>
>
> On a 1976 MG Midget.  The holes line up with the  rear leaf u-bolts.
>
>
>
> Where do they go in the stack of rear leaf  assembly??  I figure they
> either
> lower the rear end or act as final  support
>
>
>
> http://healey.org/images/mystry-spacer.jpg
>
>
>
> http://healey.org/images/rear-springs.jpg
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From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 11:21:19 2008
From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:21:19 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
In-Reply-To: <37F1434E2781453C9039762E44516149@TRACY>
References: <37F1434E2781453C9039762E44516149@TRACY>
Message-ID: <b777e2be0810221021k5852a95fh48676d902d14973c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net>wrote:

> On a 1976 MG Midget.  The holes line up with the rear leaf u-bolts.
> Where do they go in the stack of rear leaf assembly??  I figure they either
> lower the rear end or act as final support
>
> http://healey.org/images/mystry-spacer.jpg
>
> http://healey.org/images/rear-springs.jpg
> _____________________________________


Those are either spacers or stiffeners that go between the springplate and
the body mount (spring perch) behind the seats. They are on the rubber
bumper cars but not the earlier ones. Possibly to get the legal bumper
height to pass the federal law... The only other thing that would make any
sense would be for them to leave a path for drainage to reduce the rust
around the spring perches. They probably only fit one way.
-- 
Kent
1960 Bugeye
1973 Midget - donor card signed in front of a notary!
1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From mgraziano at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct 22 12:12:04 2008
From: mgraziano at austin.rr.com (Michael Graziano)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
In-Reply-To: <336525.92169.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes>
	<336525.92169.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B1C84DC94CD54879AE0DD1FE33DA8C44@Archimedes>

All,

 

The Small shirt is 20" wide, seam to seam measured at the stomach.  The
Large is 25" wide and the XL is 27" wide.  The medium is somewhere between
the small and large  ;)

 

They all have pockets.

 

Mike

 



--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Michael Graziano <mgraziano at austin.rr.com> wrote:

From: Michael Graziano <mgraziano at austin.rr.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:53 PM

Hey everyone,
 
 
 
I sent an email a few weeks ago about spridget shirts, but only had a few
people order them.  I really need to sell some of the inventory, as I have
over 100 (which equates to over $2,000 invested).  So please buy a spridget
shirt.  They're really nice shirts made with a very nice fabric. 
They're
quite durable, and very comfortable.  Don't mind the fat guy modeling them
on the website, they look real nice.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I have 10 small, 5 medium, 27 Large, 61 extra large, 15 XXL, and 2 4XL in
White, Red, Yellow, a manly aqua, black and tan/beige.  I'm hoping a bunch
of you need XL.  Cost is $23 plus shipping.
 
 
 
The shirts can be seen and ordered on my website:
 
 
 
http://www.thehomeretreat.com/ProductPage.aspx?productid=1109
 
 
 
Again, I'm selling these at cost.  They're really nice shirts made from
an
excellent material.  The spridgets logo (Toby's version) is embroidered in
color on the front.  Some of the red and black have the OSHIT logos on the
back in XL and XXL.  If you specifically want an OSHIT, please let me know
in the comments and I'll try to accommodate you.  First come, first served,
especially in the smaller sizes.
 
 
 
They make great x-mas presents for your favorite gear head.  
 
 
 
Thanks everyone for some good times and great friendships.
 
 
 
Best,
 
 
 
Michael Graziano
You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
 
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From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 22 13:15:48 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:15:48 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
In-Reply-To: <37F1434E2781453C9039762E44516149@TRACY>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOECEEFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<The holes line up with the rear leaf u-bolts.>>

As someone else said and I agree with, lowering kit Tracy.  I would think
front to rear layout.  Also noted is the fact that the holes are off-set.
Guessing for center spring bolt clearance.

From Jpaschke at bak.rr.com  Wed Oct 22 12:20:48 2008
From: Jpaschke at bak.rr.com (Jon Paschke)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOECEEFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <7EC35B68565E4A098B0C0E828037E56D@Music>

Rubber bumper car, those go between the rear spring and the body to RAISE 
the car for weight of the rubber bumpers.

Jon


> <<The holes line up with the rear leaf u-bolts.>>
>
> As someone else said and I agree with, lowering kit Tracy.  I would think
> front to rear layout.  Also noted is the fact that the holes are off-set.
> Guessing for center spring bolt clearance.
> _______________________________________________

From refisk at chartermi.net  Wed Oct 22 14:03:49 2008
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:03:49 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOECEEFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<7EC35B68565E4A098B0C0E828037E56D@Music>
Message-ID: <004001c93481$4cc9aa00$6401a8c0@refisk>

They were used to raise the car to meet the minimum bumper height laws that
went into effect in 1975.  Naderism at it's best - our government protecting
us from ourselves.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Paschke" <Jpaschke at bak.rr.com>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part


> Rubber bumper car, those go between the rear spring and the body to RAISE
> the car for weight of the rubber bumpers.
>
> Jon

From refisk at chartermi.net  Wed Oct 22 14:06:39 2008
From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:06:39 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100
References: <47F7B1EC4EF94907BCCD3C799FB3F30F@Archimedes><336525.92169.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B1C84DC94CD54879AE0DD1FE33DA8C44@Archimedes>
Message-ID: <004a01c93481$b1f52b70$6401a8c0@refisk>

Mike,

Why do we need to go through a "registration" process with a username,
password, etc. just to buy a shirt?

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Graziano" <mgraziano at austin.rr.com>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <tinydog at snet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Please buy a Spridget Shirt - I have over 100


> All,
>
> The Small shirt is 20" wide, seam to seam measured at the stomach.  The
> Large is 25" wide and the XL is 27" wide.  The medium is somewhere between
> the small and large  ;)
> They all have pockets.
>
> Mike

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 14:08:12 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:08:12 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
In-Reply-To: <b777e2be0810221021k5852a95fh48676d902d14973c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37F1434E2781453C9039762E44516149@TRACY>
	<b777e2be0810221021k5852a95fh48676d902d14973c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441250190810221308y2781a85fldb3cb45b52221389@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed with cosmicmag. They are on all RB Midgets.  I wonder what happens if
you leave them off?

-g



On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM, CosmicMag1380 <cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net
> >wrote:
>
> > On a 1976 MG Midget.  The holes line up with the rear leaf u-bolts.
> > Where do they go in the stack of rear leaf assembly??  I figure they
> either
> > lower the rear end or act as final support
> >
> > http://healey.org/images/mystry-spacer.jpg
> >
> > http://healey.org/images/rear-springs.jpg
> > _____________________________________
>
>
> Those are either spacers or stiffeners that go between the springplate and
> the body mount (spring perch) behind the seats. They are on the rubber
> bumper cars but not the earlier ones. Possibly to get the legal bumper
> height to pass the federal law... The only other thing that would make any
> sense would be for them to leave a path for drainage to reduce the rust
> around the spring perches. They probably only fit one way.
> --
> Kent
> 1960 Bugeye
> 1973 Midget - donor card signed in front of a notary!
> 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...
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From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 22 15:25:51 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:25:51 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
In-Reply-To: <441250190810221308y2781a85fldb3cb45b52221389@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNIEDCEFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Spridgets>>

Nope, Gilroy<G>!!  Got a '75 Special sitting right here.

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct 22 14:46:12 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:46:12 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNIEDCEFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <67EC0FAC3A2D4DAF82257ACFDF7AA737@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Nope, Gilroy<G>!!  Got a '75 Special sitting right here.

STILL???? Are you charging him rent or is he charging you?
Lorry Denials

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 22 15:58:39 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:58:39 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
In-Reply-To: <67EC0FAC3A2D4DAF82257ACFDF7AA737@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEDGEFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

NOT the same one, S.A.!!<G>

Although that car HAS been back 3 times and is coming back again either this
weekend or next<VBG>!!!

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Wed Oct 22 15:36:18 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:36:18 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose update
Message-ID: <c60.2f583097.3630f6d2@aol.com>

Sorry to blast the list again with this BUT it seems that the # pound has
taken a big slide against the US$ dollar today.

Since all the hoses are priced in pounds the price today is  cheaper than it
was - at least for all you Americans.

W e s l a k e 1330

From spritenut at comcast.net  Wed Oct 22 16:05:54 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty
In-Reply-To: <2B8BC4C196A64DDC928A27D92A25ACF9@AndrewHP>
References: <D0852B83887F434BBD0E84639B881B91@AndrewHP>
	<48FE940C.1020107@comcast.net>
	<2B8BC4C196A64DDC928A27D92A25ACF9@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <48FFA3C2.9010503@comcast.net>

Andrew Payne wrote:
> Thanks, How exactly do you roll it over?  Do you just get a few friends, and
> roll it onto a blanket?
>
>   
Just flip it up on the rocker, 2 people can do it.
No mattress is needed, I do it all the time, use a rope to hold it there 
or a suitable prop board.
Do watch the door handle on those roll up window cars but it should 
still be clear of the floor.
The car sits on the rocker panel.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From tinydog at snet.net  Thu Oct 23 05:51:09 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:51:09 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
Message-ID: <102320081151.6824.4900652D0009300B00001AA822230703729B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

This just came into the tinydog newsdesk:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27331838/

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 23 06:04:48 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:04:48 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Weekend
Message-ID: <08898D759633496898A0442565B2F8C3@midget>

Hey, anybody else planning to drive to Toms River for the Assembly of the 
Holy Sprite? I am thinking of following US30 all the way from Indiana to New 
Jersey, so I doubt anyone wants to tag along, but you are welcome if you 
like.
David Lieb 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 23 06:10:34 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:10:34 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Where in the heck? ID this part
In-Reply-To: <441250190810221308y2781a85fldb3cb45b52221389@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F35CE7872FE0A6E4BE7B86AB8280@phx.gbl>

gas mileage would go down, because you'd be driving uphill all the time.  ;)

ED

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Gilroy" <wmgilroy at gmail.com>

Agreed with cosmicmag. They are on all RB Midgets.  I wonder what happens if
you leave them off?

-g



On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM, CosmicMag1380 
<cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com>wrote:

 > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Tracy Drummond <bighealey at charter.net
 > >wrote:
 >
 > > On a 1976 MG Midget.  The holes line up with the rear leaf u-bolts.
 > > Where do they go in the stack of rear leaf assembly??  I figure they
 > either
 > > lower the rear end or act as final support
 > >
 > > http://healey.org/images/mystry-spacer.jpg
 > >
 > > http://healey.org/images/rear-springs.jpg
 > > _____________________________________
 >
 >
 > Those are either spacers or stiffeners that go between the springplate 
and
 > the body mount (spring perch) behind the seats. They are on the rubber
 > bumper cars but not the earlier ones. Possibly to get the legal bumper
 > height to pass the federal law... The only other thing that would make 
any
 > sense would be for them to leave a path for drainage to reduce the rust
 > around the spring perches. They probably only fit one way.
 > --
 > Kent
 > 1960 Bugeye
 > 1973 Midget - donor card signed in front of a notary!
 > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard...

From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct 23 06:46:12 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:46:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Weekend
In-Reply-To: <08898D759633496898A0442565B2F8C3@midget>
References: <08898D759633496898A0442565B2F8C3@midget>
Message-ID: <012B561983FE48C99AAF120577D6B642@OwnerPC>

David,
While I applaud your decision to forsake the Super Slab in favor of what 
would be a far more interesting (if more time consuming) route, I suggest 
that you pick up the appropriate DeLorme atlas' (Indiana, Ohio & PA) and map 
out some routes with which to bypass all of the medium to large cities which 
route 30 would take you through.
I hope you have a very safe, ntertaining trip!
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Weekend


> Hey, anybody else planning to drive to Toms River for the Assembly of the 
> Holy Sprite? I am thinking of following US30 all the way from Indiana to 
> New Jersey, so I doubt anyone wants to tag along, but you are welcome if 
> you like.
> David Lieb _______________________________________________
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From pythias at pacifier.com  Thu Oct 23 06:47:46 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:47:46 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Weekend
In-Reply-To: <08898D759633496898A0442565B2F8C3@midget>
References: <08898D759633496898A0442565B2F8C3@midget>
Message-ID: <1388329168.20081023054746@pacifier.com>

Hello David,

     I would love to take US 30 all the way there with ya. Meet Me in
     Astoria Oregon on Friday morning and away we'll go!


     har har har..

     no really i'd love to make it, but for obvious reasons.. won't. 

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Computers Unite!  You have nothing to lose but your operators.

From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct 23 07:32:35 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:32:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive
In-Reply-To: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
References: <B43E96D82C8741A3AE24A7B84DC55900@Home>
Message-ID: <74945E5A6FB2472296128C55D1961534@OwnerPC>

Michael,
In answer to your question: "is this fun?":
I spent this past Saturday with my trusty '72 Midget on our local Triumph 
Club's annual Fall Leaf Tour.  I left my house at 8:30 AM, to reach the 
meeting point, on the opposite side of Pittsburgh.  We spent a couple of 
very enjoyable hours, at speed (we always travel in small groups, and my 
Midget is very comfortable in-or leading- the "fast group"), on the back 
roads of western PA's Laurel Highlands, followed by a visit to The Roadster 
Factory, at Armagh, PA.  At TRF, I picked up a passenger, whose Spitfire's 
LF wheel bearings had failed, welding themselves to the spindle.  After a 
very enjoyable dinner at The Coventry Inn, in Indiana, PA, we headed west 
for the 2 1/2 hour drive to my Spitfire friend's house.  After dropping my 
friend off, and meeting my wife for dinner; I arrived home at 9:30 PM.
We covered a few hundred miles, and a good bit of that was done "full bore", 
using everything the Midget could deliver.  Even the trip back to my 
friend's house was done at between 4000 and 4500 RPM.  Although the engine 
would have been happier with a 190 degree thermostat installed, it still ran 
very well, and impressed everyone with it's smooth, strong performance ("my 
Spitfire could NEVER do this!").
I've owned this particular Midget for 26 or 27 years, now, and, on fast, 
back road runs, it has become like an extension of my own body.  I love it's 
quick, nimble handling characteristics.  The engine has been together for 
almost 26 years, and, aside from an occasional head gasket replacement (head 
gaskets have always given plenty of warning of impending failure), has never 
required any more than normal maintenance.  I would never have to think 
twice about driving this car across the country & back.
So, in answer to your question, Michael: If you do it RIGHT, the best is yet 
to come, and it involves a WHOLE LOT of good, reliable fun.  So, stick with 
it and keep sorting things out.  It WILL come around, and will have been 
well worth the effort.
Bud Osbourne
P.S. This weekend, I'll replace the head gasket (it's been on there for 10 
years, now, and finally started to leak after all of that pounding it got on 
Saturday), and install a 190 degree thermostat.  I'll probably install the 
spare head I had rebuilt for it, and send the one that's on it out for a 
rebuild over the winter.
The water pump won't get replaced for another year or so, but it will get 
replaced BEFORE it has a chance to fail.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>
To: "Spridget Chat Group" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:45 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] First drive


> Today, I backed out of the shop, drove down the block in the rain, and 
> returned - a total of two blocks.  This is the first time it has been out 
> since May.  I can only get into first from second; reverse crunches.  I 
> need a new water pump.  One tire won't hold air.
>
> Is this fun?
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
> Long Island, NY

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 23 07:51:01 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:51:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Weekend
References: <08898D759633496898A0442565B2F8C3@midget>
	<012B561983FE48C99AAF120577D6B642@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <337BA734A951405ABE0778AEF44CC3E4@NilesAD.von.gov>

> While I applaud your decision to forsake the Super Slab in favor of what 
> would be a far more interesting (if more time consuming) route, I suggest 
> that you pick up the appropriate DeLorme atlas' (Indiana, Ohio & PA) and 
> map out some routes with which to bypass all of the medium to large cities 
> which route 30 would take you through.

Bud,
It isn't my first time across US30. I drove it out there for Sprite Spree03, 
for a couple of the Valentines' PA LBC Ralleys, for the Babe Rally, etc. I 
seldom take any other route between Chicago and central PA. The cities add a 
certain spice to the trip... I remember having US30 duck out from under me 
coming into Pittsburgh the first time ;-) I actually enjoy the trip more 
this way. Yes, there are a few stretches that I wouldn't mind missing, but 
they are always followed by a stretch I don't want to miss like Laurel 
Mountain. Yes, the cities slow you up a bit, but then I drive through 
Chicagoland traffic every day, so the traffic along the way just ain't that 
big of a deal.
David Lieb 

From vern at srvinet.com  Thu Oct 23 07:58:12 2008
From: vern at srvinet.com (Vern)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:58:12 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Ignition sw.
Message-ID: <490082F4.5010706@srvinet.com>

I may be repeating myself, but am not sure my other question
reached the list.
I have an ignition switch that has a loose  post. 
Can I solder the post to the rivet that holds it or should
I use a punch to tighten the rivet or what? Appreciate any
help.  Vern

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct 23 08:04:48 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:04:48 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <490082F4.5010706@srvinet.com>
References: <490082F4.5010706@srvinet.com>
Message-ID: <A76BD0EBD50D45CA9362D7028CD4178F@spider>

There is probably the black Bakelite housing there? Be careful about
tightening up the fit by whacking the rivet with punch. It can be done. The
other thing you run into with loose electrical junctions is corrosion. Even
a tight fitting joining of metal parts might not make the electrical
connection. My experience has been that when the switches start to fail,
they are used up. Try to find something that'll work in the world of new; or
carry your cell phone (AAA) when you're out driving. ...bill in oregon
========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Vern
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:58 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Ignition sw.

I may be repeating myself, but am not sure my other question
reached the list.
I have an ignition switch that has a loose  post. 
Can I solder the post to the rivet that holds it or should
I use a punch to tighten the rivet or what? Appreciate any
help.  Vern
_______________________________________________

From peter at nosimport.com  Thu Oct 23 08:18:46 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <A76BD0EBD50D45CA9362D7028CD4178F@spider>
References: <490082F4.5010706@srvinet.com>
	<A76BD0EBD50D45CA9362D7028CD4178F@spider>
Message-ID: <200810230718190.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

How about a low temp solder like the first one on this page?  275F should be OK
http://www.shorinternational.com/Solders.htm

NFI   NFUI
         Peter C.
========
At 09:04 AM 10/23/2008, corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote:
>There is probably the black Bakelite housing there? Be careful about
>tightening up the fit by whacking the rivet with punch. It can be done. The
>other thing you run into with loose electrical junctions is corrosion. Even
>a tight fitting joining of metal parts might not make the electrical
>connection. My experience has been that when the switches start to fail,
>they are used up. Try to find something that'll work in the world of new; or
>carry your cell phone (AAA) when you're out driving. ...bill in oregon
>========================================
>-----Original Message-----
>From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Vern
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:58 AM
>To: spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Spridgets] Ignition sw.
>
>I may be repeating myself, but am not sure my other question
>reached the list.
>I have an ignition switch that has a loose  post.
>Can I solder the post to the rivet that holds it or should
>I use a punch to tighten the rivet or what? Appreciate any
>help.  Vern

From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct 23 08:19:57 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:19:57 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Weekend
In-Reply-To: <337BA734A951405ABE0778AEF44CC3E4@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <08898D759633496898A0442565B2F8C3@midget>
	<012B561983FE48C99AAF120577D6B642@OwnerPC>
	<337BA734A951405ABE0778AEF44CC3E4@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <2DD8942924524D84B59EE39D4773B7DB@OwnerPC>

David,
Yeah, if you drive around Chicago every day, that prepares you for pretty 
much anything ;)
As for me, well, just call me a hay seed.  I grew up on a farm, still live 
out in the country, and don't tolerate traffic in built-up areas very well, 
at all.
The fall foliage, in western PA, will be at "peak" this weekend (is the Holy 
S.H.I.T. this weekend, or next?), so, you've picked a great way to enjoy it.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lieb" <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>
To: "Bud Osbourne" <abcoz at hky.com>; "Spridget List" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Weekend


>> While I applaud your decision to forsake the Super Slab in favor of what 
>> would be a far more interesting (if more time consuming) route, I suggest 
>> that you pick up the appropriate DeLorme atlas' (Indiana, Ohio & PA) and 
>> map out some routes with which to bypass all of the medium to large 
>> cities which route 30 would take you through.
>
> Bud,
> It isn't my first time across US30. I drove it out there for Sprite 
> Spree03, for a couple of the Valentines' PA LBC Ralleys, for the Babe 
> Rally, etc. I seldom take any other route between Chicago and central PA. 
> The cities add a certain spice to the trip... I remember having US30 duck 
> out from under me coming into Pittsburgh the first time ;-) I actually 
> enjoy the trip more this way. Yes, there are a few stretches that I 
> wouldn't mind missing, but they are always followed by a stretch I don't 
> want to miss like Laurel Mountain. Yes, the cities slow you up a bit, but 
> then I drive through Chicagoland traffic every day, so the traffic along 
> the way just ain't that big of a deal.
> David Lieb

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct 23 10:06:31 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <200810230718190.SM01372@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <C525EF17.1A681%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> How about a low temp solder
There is no practical substitute for real solder.

From uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 11:43:54 2008
From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com (uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Chicago 2010 car meet
Message-ID: <989728.79412.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
I was wondering if any one is going to the world meet in Chicago 2010.
 
Ken Weger of Small Wonders car Museum is the host.
 
I believe Small Wonders just opened summer 2008. 
 
http://www.microcar.org/current-issue.html
 
If you go to the above link Then go to meets.
 
Sounds like a fun deal with lots of little cars.

more info as it becomes available at:
www.WorldMeet2010.com
 
Vigil

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 11:53:38 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:53:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
In-Reply-To: <102320081151.6824.4900652D0009300B00001AA822230703729B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
Message-ID: <265076.11260.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Would it be it too much to ask that the whole WWF... excuse me, I meant NASCAR thing (I get those two orchestrated "sports" mixed up all the time) would go away and maybe be replaced with something akin to German or European Touring Car racing?
- David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, tinydog at snet.net <tinydog at snet.net> wrote:

From: tinydog at snet.net <tinydog at snet.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
To: "Midgets On The Net" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 6:51 AM

This just came into the tinydog newsdesk:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27331838/
You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com

http://www.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets

From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct 23 12:02:12 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:02:12 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
Message-ID: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC>

I've been contemplating ridding my '72 Midget of it's radio console.  I don't
have a radio in the car, and I'm getting increasingly weary of the console's
intrusion on my knee space.  Also, my 6'2" son could use some extra room in
that area, too.  I've been toying wit hthe idea of carving up a console from a
parts car, to see what solutions I can come up with.  Really, all that I need
from that console is a mounting for the 4-way flasher switch, a fog/driving
light switch (not currently in use), and the lighter (to power cell phone
charger, etc.).
Have any of you guys done away with that console?  If so, please describe how
you re-packaged the contents and covered the remains.
Thanks.
Bud Osbourne

From John.Deikis at va.gov  Thu Oct 23 12:02:28 2008
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:02:28 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose update
In-Reply-To: <c60.2f583097.3630f6d2@aol.com>
References: <c60.2f583097.3630f6d2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9404247176@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

Does this mean I can now afford san MGB-V8?!!!



-----Original Message-----
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com [mailto:Weslake1330 at aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:36 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Silicone hose update

Sorry to blast the list again with this BUT it seems that the # pound
has
taken a big slide against the US$ dollar today.

Since all the hoses are priced in pounds the price today is  cheaper
than it
was - at least for all you Americans.

W e s l a k e 1330

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct 23 12:02:50 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:02:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
In-Reply-To: <265076.11260.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <102320081151.6824.4900652D0009300B00001AA822230703729B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
	<265076.11260.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5E4AA733EE304D8F8826478822BCB76C@spider>

Do the 'touring sedans' still allow moving weights to change the roll center
in turns?   ...bill in oregon
=============================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Booker
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:54 AM
To: Midgets On The Net; tinydog at snet.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar

Would it be it too much to ask that the whole WWF... excuse me, I meant
NASCAR thing (I get those two orchestrated "sports" mixed up all the time)
would go away and maybe be replaced with something akin to German or
European Touring Car racing?
- David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 12:08:31 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:08:31 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC>
References: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810231108m3ba1c60fn5b51a7e2a9786a57@mail.gmail.com>

Why not utilize something similar to the tri pac gauge set Sun used to
offer, to mount the three items you need into it. That way, it is narrower
and not far below the dash, and you gain more knee space.

Brad

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

> I've been contemplating ridding my '72 Midget of it's radio console.  I
> don't
> have a radio in the car, and I'm getting increasingly weary of the
> console's
> intrusion on my knee space.  Also, my 6'2" son could use some extra room in
> that area, too.  I've been toying wit hthe idea of carving up a console
> from a
> parts car, to see what solutions I can come up with.  Really, all that I
> need
> from that console is a mounting for the 4-way flasher switch, a fog/driving
> light switch (not currently in use), and the lighter (to power cell phone
> charger, etc.).
> Have any of you guys done away with that console?  If so, please describe
> how
> you re-packaged the contents and covered the remains.
> Thanks.
> Bud Osbourne
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From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct 23 12:39:56 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:39:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810231108m3ba1c60fn5b51a7e2a9786a57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC>
	<e98d88090810231108m3ba1c60fn5b51a7e2a9786a57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F4369BD91F846E6AB31F5EA416F6A27@OwnerPC>

Brad,
Thanks for the response.  I'm not familiar with the Sun set-up you mention,
but it sounds like it might be something along the lines I'm thinking of.
Basically, right now I'm contemplating cutting the OE console straight across,
right above the line where it bends from the part that the radio mounts in, to
the upper part where the speaker mounts.  Of course, the radio opening would
be covered by an inserted (welded) plate.  That would leave plenty of room for
mounting the 4-way flasher switch, cigarette lighter, and any othe switches I
might need to put in there.  It would be simple enough to "section" and reweld
the lower part, to make it more narrow, if need be.
Any of you guys ever try something like this?
Thanks.
Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Brad Fornal
  To: Bud Osbourne
  Cc: spridgets
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets


  Why not utilize something similar to the tri pac gauge set Sun used to
offer, to mount the three items you need into it. That way, it is narrower and
not far below the dash, and you gain more knee space.

  Brad


  On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

    I've been contemplating ridding my '72 Midget of it's radio console.  I
don't
    have a radio in the car, and I'm getting increasingly weary of the
console's
    intrusion on my knee space.  Also, my 6'2" son could use some extra room
in
    that area, too.  I've been toying wit hthe idea of carving up a console
from a
    parts car, to see what solutions I can come up with.  Really, all that I
need
    from that console is a mounting for the 4-way flasher switch, a
fog/driving
    light switch (not currently in use), and the lighter (to power cell phone
    charger, etc.).
    Have any of you guys done away with that console?  If so, please describe
how
    you re-packaged the contents and covered the remains.
    Thanks.
    Bud Osbourne
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 23 12:41:19 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:41:19 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Chicago 2010 car meet
References: <989728.79412.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <13D5DC3F7ED84E919A8890438CBE0998@NilesAD.von.gov>

> I was wondering if any one is going to the world meet in Chicago 2010.

Crystal Lake is just a few miles from my house. I intend to be there.
David Lieb

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 23 12:42:45 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:42:45 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F345925D0E2AFBF640C8AB6B8280@phx.gbl>

This is what a PO did to Miss Marple.  Maybe something similar works for 
you?  I'm not first hand familiar with the real radio consoles.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/marple/ulthm8.htm
http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/marple/ulthm10.htm
http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/marple/ulthm13.htm

Robert D.

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bud Osbourne" <abcoz at hky.com>
To: "spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:02:12 -0400

I've been contemplating ridding my '72 Midget of it's radio console.  I 
don't
have a radio in the car, and I'm getting increasingly weary of the console's
intrusion on my knee space.  Also, my 6'2" son could use some extra room in
that area, too.  I've been toying wit hthe idea of carving up a console from 
a
parts car, to see what solutions I can come up with.  Really, all that I 
need
from that console is a mounting for the 4-way flasher switch, a fog/driving
light switch (not currently in use), and the lighter (to power cell phone
charger, etc.).
Have any of you guys done away with that console?  If so, please describe 
how
you re-packaged the contents and covered the remains.
Thanks.
Bud Osbourne

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 12:46:49 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <4F4369BD91F846E6AB31F5EA416F6A27@OwnerPC>
References: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC>
	<e98d88090810231108m3ba1c60fn5b51a7e2a9786a57@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F4369BD91F846E6AB31F5EA416F6A27@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810231146t3bd55d29vda202bfb6ea5dd1d@mail.gmail.com>

you've never seen one of these?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&refid=store&category=33675&viewitem=&item=260281285900
A similar mounting plate without the holes, would easily hold lighter, and
two switches, plus room for a couple of more if needed.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

>  Brad,
> Thanks for the response.  I'm not familiar with the Sun set-up you mention,
> but it sounds like it might be something along the lines I'm thinking of.
> Basically, right now I'm contemplating cutting the OE console straight
> across, right above the line where it bends from the part that the radio
> mounts in, to the upper part where the speaker mounts.  Of course, the radio
> opening would be covered by an inserted (welded) plate.  That would leave
> plenty of room for mounting the 4-way flasher switch, cigarette lighter, and
> any othe switches I might need to put in there.  It would be simple enough
> to "section" and reweld the lower part, to make it more narrow, if need be.
> Any of you guys ever try something like this?
> Thanks.
> Bud
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com>
> *To:* Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com>
> *Cc:* spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
>
> Why not utilize something similar to the tri pac gauge set Sun used to
> offer, to mount the three items you need into it. That way, it is narrower
> and not far below the dash, and you gain more knee space.
>
> Brad
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been contemplating ridding my '72 Midget of it's radio console.  I
>> don't
>> have a radio in the car, and I'm getting increasingly weary of the
>> console's
>> intrusion on my knee space.  Also, my 6'2" son could use some extra room
>> in
>> that area, too.  I've been toying wit hthe idea of carving up a console
>> from a
>> parts car, to see what solutions I can come up with.  Really, all that I
>> need
>> from that console is a mounting for the 4-way flasher switch, a
>> fog/driving
>> light switch (not currently in use), and the lighter (to power cell phone
>> charger, etc.).
>> Have any of you guys done away with that console?  If so, please describe
>> how
>> you re-packaged the contents and covered the remains.
>> Thanks.
>> Bud Osbourne
>> _______________________________________________
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>


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DON JULIO 1942

www.myspace.com/tequilabrad

From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct 23 13:16:21 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:16:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-F345925D0E2AFBF640C8AB6B8280@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-F345925D0E2AFBF640C8AB6B8280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0C15470320A648F9BA44C9E35CD137ED@OwnerPC>

Robert,
Nice set-up, but, it takes up too much knee space for me, and my long-legged 
son(s).
Thanks.
Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Duquette" <robertduquette at sympatico.ca>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets


> This is what a PO did to Miss Marple.  Maybe something similar works for 
> you?  I'm not first hand familiar with the real radio consoles.
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/marple/ulthm8.htm
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/marple/ulthm10.htm
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/marple/ulthm13.htm
>
> Robert D.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bud Osbourne" <abcoz at hky.com>
> To: "spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:02:12 -0400
>
> I've been contemplating ridding my '72 Midget of it's radio console.  I 
> don't
> have a radio in the car, and I'm getting increasingly weary of the 
> console's
> intrusion on my knee space.  Also, my 6'2" son could use some extra room 
> in
> that area, too.  I've been toying wit hthe idea of carving up a console 
> from a
> parts car, to see what solutions I can come up with.  Really, all that I 
> need
> from that console is a mounting for the 4-way flasher switch, a 
> fog/driving
> light switch (not currently in use), and the lighter (to power cell phone
> charger, etc.).
> Have any of you guys done away with that console?  If so, please describe 
> how
> you re-packaged the contents and covered the remains.
> Thanks.
> Bud Osbourne
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From tinydog at snet.net  Thu Oct 23 13:34:06 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:34:06 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <4F4369BD91F846E6AB31F5EA416F6A27@OwnerPC>
References: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC><e98d88090810231108m3ba1c60fn5b51a7e2a9786a57@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F4369BD91F846E6AB31F5EA416F6A27@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <102320081934.2929.4900D1AE0005B94D00000B7122218801869B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog suggested:

Mk II Console

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-MG-Midget-Austin-Healey-Sprite-steel-radio-console_W0QQitemZ220246391910QQcmdZViewItem

(tinydog would mount it correct side up, though.)

From mhagopian at hoppetool.com  Thu Oct 23 13:59:29 2008
From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:59:29 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <8DC5A40E-2B02-44D1-8470-0D6EEEACB047@phillymgclub.com>
References: <C520EAE1.1A521%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<9FC12D74-EB79-4276-BD64-ED45EC83531E@mac.com>
	<8DC5A40E-2B02-44D1-8470-0D6EEEACB047@phillymgclub.com>
Message-ID: <87a1f55d0810231259h3502fa28q80e845fdde6b5fd8@mail.gmail.com>

Well I guess you all will cringe on this... 100mph is about 30mph slower
then what Id like to to go... the 4.22 is in now and I can see that its not
going to be enough! going to scout around for a 3.9 (maybe with an LSD),
Also see what we can do with this motor, bring it up around 8000RPM
(currently the MSD has a 7k chip in it) see how well it does!

I can wait to see the responses to a 130mph sprite :)

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Larry Macy <lmacy at phillymgclub.com> wrote:

> The difference is in how long it takes to get there.
>
> Larry
>
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Kitterer Bob wrote:
>
> > Two cars roughly the same weight, one with 160 hp the other with 43.3
> > hp and they both have the same top speed!!!!
> >
> > Bob Kitterer
> >
> > 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> > 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> > 2000 Miata Special Edition
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Billy Zoom wrote:
> >
> >>> Struck me as odd.
> >> Odd why?  I'd take the Bond car over the Steed car.
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> Larry Macy
> 78 Midget
>
> Keep your top down and your chin up.
>
> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
> lmacy at phillymgclub.com
> Board Member at Large
> Philadelphia MG Club
>
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in
> sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally
> worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!".
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 23 14:39:54 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
References: <265076.11260.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5829417732E44AEE9C51865DB2EAEB38@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Booker" <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com>
To: "Midgets On The Net" <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <tinydog at snet.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar


Would it be it too much to ask that the whole WWF... excuse me, I meant 
NASCAR thing (I get those two orchestrated "sports" mixed up all the time) 
would go away and maybe be replaced with something akin to German or 
European Touring Car racing?
- David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

================================

There are two types of NASCAR fans:

1) Loud-mouth, tatooed, shirtless drunks

2) Their husbands

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 23 14:50:37 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:50:37 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
Message-ID: <c83.22c0e333.36323d9d@aol.com>

You need more power and less drag rather than different gearing to make  this 
happen.  The engine in my Sprite will safely rev to 8000rpm but makes  less 
power than it does at 7000rpm so consequently the car is geared for top  speed 
a lot less than 8000rpm.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 23/10/2008 20:59:54 GMT Daylight Time,  
mhagopian at hoppetool.com writes:

Well I  guess you all will cringe on this... 100mph is about 30mph slower
then what  Id like to to go... the 4.22 is in now and I can see that its not
going to  be enough! going to scout around for a 3.9 (maybe with an LSD),
Also see  what we can do with this motor, bring it up around 8000RPM
(currently the  MSD has a 7k chip in it) see how well it does!

I can wait to see the  responses to a 130mph sprite :)

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 17:25:22 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:25:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] calculating speed
In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0810231259h3502fa28q80e845fdde6b5fd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <778229.21787.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Matt Hagopian <mhagopian at hoppetool.com> wrote:
> (currently the MSD has a 7k chip in it) see how well it
> does!

It will only do as well as the driver.

Ron

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct 23 19:28:36 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:28:36 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fr Jack sees the painted Sprite
Message-ID: <490124C4.1010601@comcast.net>

Tonight my brother dropped off the finished wood steering wheel for the 
Holy Sprite.
Fr Jack stopped by to see his car in paint. He was like a little kid in 
a candy store.
Then he saw the steering wheel, grabbed it off the wall and made 
vroom-vroom sounds.
He can't wait to drive it.
Today the wheels came back from the media blaster, I powder coated 2 of 
them and have them baking right now.
Only 2 fit in the oven at one time.
I also ordered the tires from tire rack and will have them mounted 
before the assembly weekend.
I just need a pinion seal and a pair of motor mounts and all *should* be 
here and ready to put it together.
I am sure I will be missing something, just too many bits and pieces to 
remember all of it but I should be close.
Like tonight I went to install the door check straps, the absolute first 
item to go on any Spridget after paint even if temporarily before the 
interior panels and I see I never powder coated the metal brackets for 
the straps. Apparently none came on the HS so I never saw them in the 
box of parts from the disassembly. I am glad I had a few in the door 
parts can. They will be dark blue tomorrow and installed before the 
doors dent the A posts.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From pythias at pacifier.com  Thu Oct 23 21:31:56 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:31:56 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC   Proud Dad
Message-ID: <726020179.20081023203156@pacifier.com>

Hello Spridgets,

        For those of you who went to LotO and met my son Andrew...

        just got his SAT retake scores back...

        people get to keep their high scores so he keeps his

        800 in math.

        he improved to

        790 in writing and

        750 in critical reading

        for a total of 2340 out of 2400...

        WowZA!

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                          mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403  "the red thing"
 
  Jesus Christ! Close the door! Were you born in a barn!?!? 

From davriker at nwi.net  Thu Oct 23 21:49:43 2008
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:49:43 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Accident Repaired!
Message-ID: <E5EBAE454DBE43F5BF1956569F603EA6@dave>

Wow!  I went from distraught over the accident, to strangely lucky it 
happened.  The body shop was able to repair the fenders, and they look and 
fit as good as ever.  For now, I am going without a grille surround, and I'm 
back to the 1974 grille, but I have it all back together and have taken it 
out for a drive.  WEEEEE!  The front end alignment hasn't been right since 
the accident I was in 10 years ago, so this time I knew what they needed to 
do.  I had a couple of extra degrees of caster worked in to the frame pull, 
and it really makes for better on center steering feel.  I was able to back 
off on the negative camber, which makes the car look better too.

http://tinyurl.com/636ow6

Dave Riker
1974 Midget 

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 04:57:42 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:57:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
Message-ID: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:
Just how the Hell do you figure NASCAR is 'orchestrated', David??
 
 
I say NASCAR is orchestrated because racing should be about the best
combination of driver and vehicle winning a race.  That is bad for business
with NASCAR since they're all about selling licensed products as opposed to
finding out who has the best racing team. 
 
As soon as a team starts winning, they penalize them with weights or other
restrictions to the point that they are no better than 20 other teams, all of
which could win on any given day.  That's not racing, that's a movie about
racing.  Even with technology as old as what NASCAR uses, there realistically
can't be 20 teams that have it THAT figured out. 
 
I didn't mean they orchestrate a winner, they orchestrate a lack of a clear
winner, so people all over America can have a reasonale chance that "their"
driver will be the victor today.  Then they can share in the glory because
they have bought a bunch of licensed products with those colors and numbers
and display them on their shirts, shoes, coolers, flags, cars, campers,
tatoos, etc. 
 
...Just my humble opinion, I know I'm in the minority on the subject.  I don't
realistically expect it to go away anytime soon, and we already have SCCA
racing which is kind of like Touring Car.  Just a shame to see all those
people flocking to a show instead of a race.  Thought I'd also see if I could
stir up a good discussion here ;-)
 
 - David Booker
'71
Midget
Long Island



From: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>
Subject: RE: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:55 PM

<<(I get those two orchestrated "sports" mixed up all the time)
>>

And you don't HAVE to watch races<G>!!  Especially as much as I do!!
And it DOES take a THINKING man to follow!!!

From lmacy at phillymgclub.com  Fri Oct 24 06:45:53 2008
From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:45:53 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
In-Reply-To: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <765A697B-5D59-4573-B10E-921287E72558@phillymgclub.com>

And that is different from F1, how??

Larry Macy, Ph.D
78 Midget

Keep your top down and your chin up.

"I finally figured out what email is for. It's for communicating.with  
people you'd rather not talk to." G. Carlin

Sent via iPhone

On Oct 24, 2008, at 6:57 AM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:
> Just how the Hell do you figure NASCAR is 'orchestrated', David??
>
>
> I say NASCAR is orchestrated because racing should be about the best
> combination of driver and vehicle winning a race.  That is bad for  
> business
> with NASCAR since they're all about selling licensed products as  
> opposed to
> finding out who has the best racing team.
>
> As soon as a team starts winning, they penalize them with weights or  
> other
> restrictions to the point that they are no better than 20 other  
> teams, all of
> which could win on any given day.  That's not racing, that's a movie  
> about
> racing.  Even with technology as old as what NASCAR uses, there  
> realistically
> can't be 20 teams that have it THAT figured out.
>
> I didn't mean they orchestrate a winner, they orchestrate a lack of  
> a clear
> winner, so people all over America can have a reasonale chance that  
> "their"
> driver will be the victor today.  Then they can share in the glory  
> because
> they have bought a bunch of licensed products with those colors and  
> numbers
> and display them on their shirts, shoes, coolers, flags, cars,  
> campers,
> tatoos, etc.
>
> ...Just my humble opinion, I know I'm in the minority on the  
> subject.  I don't
> realistically expect it to go away anytime soon, and we already have  
> SCCA
> racing which is kind of like Touring Car.  Just a shame to see all  
> those
> people flocking to a show instead of a race.  Thought I'd also see  
> if I could
> stir up a good discussion here ;-)
>
> - David Booker
> '71
> Midget
> Long Island
>
>
>
> From: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>
> Subject: RE: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
> To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:55 PM
>
> <<(I get those two orchestrated "sports" mixed up all the time)
>>>
>
> And you don't HAVE to watch races<G>!!  Especially as much as I do!!
> And it DOES take a THINKING man to follow!!!
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From pythias at pacifier.com  Fri Oct 24 07:02:45 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:02:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
In-Reply-To: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <299684412.20081024060245@pacifier.com>

Hello David,

     someone called it WWE racing.. and that is about right.

     several points..

     it used to be if you crashed there was a good chance of DYING.
     that made the drivers try VERY HARD not to crash. now they use
     bump drafting and all kinds of pushing a shoving making it more
     like bumper cars than racing. when is the last time there wasn't
     a caution flag with a sprint to the finish in the last 10 laps?..

     speaking of caution flags... they throw on up whenever someone
     gets too far ahead or for any reason and always have it out for
     long enough for EVERYONE to get gas and tires. NOT just long
     enough to clear up the problem whatever it may be.

     as for the cars, they may as well be racing SPEC VW BEETLES. the
     cars are all the same. they PAINT the grill on to make them look
     different, but WOE to anyone who actually tries to make the car
     better than the next guy. same with the engines. someone figures
     out how to get 50 more horsepower out of one and the change the
     rules... MID SEASON if they must....

     the difference between this and F1 is that if F1 everyone has a
     different car. i know many think of it as a parade as there is so
     little passing in modern f1 racing, but at least they don't all
     have to start from the SAME CHASSIS. IF someone figures out a
     tech advantage within the rules, it isn't taken away within a
     race or two by adding extra weight or other means.

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  I must hurry, for there they go and I am their leader. 

From bighealey at charter.net  Fri Oct 24 07:21:49 2008
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:21:49 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC   Proud Dad
In-Reply-To: <726020179.20081023203156@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <D4E46C30673449ABB798790D86DC27E9@TRACY>

Bill,

My daughter Hannah (Some met her at Klamath Falls, OR Rendezvous, the Autumn
Classic etc.

She just took the PSATS (Predatory) and will probably go to a cram class to
up her scores to somewhere near your son Andrew's.

Good on Andrew!

Tracy
Drummond family motto = Gang Warily (go carefully)!
President AHCUSA              www.healey.org

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill L
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:32 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC Proud Dad

Hello Spridgets,

        For those of you who went to LotO and met my son Andrew...

        just got his SAT retake scores back...

        people get to keep their high scores so he keeps his

        800 in math.

        he improved to

        790 in writing and

        750 in critical reading

        for a total of 2340 out of 2400...

        WowZA!

--
Best regards,
 Bill L.                          mailto:pythias at pacifier.com

 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403  "the red thing"

  Jesus Christ! Close the door! Were you born in a barn!?!?
You are subscribed as bighealey at charter.net

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From jlaird237 at cox.net  Fri Oct 24 09:22:23 2008
From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC   Proud Dad
References: <726020179.20081023203156@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <D2B974DE17824BF7858F0DECFAA95EB5@personal>

Oh, well done Andrew. Please give him my congratulations for not only 
haveing great scores but a careing Dad.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill L" <pythias at pacifier.com>
To: <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:31 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] NO LBC Proud Dad


> Hello Spridgets,
>
>        For those of you who went to LotO and met my son Andrew...
>
>        just got his SAT retake scores back...
>
>        people get to keep their high scores so he keeps his
>
>        800 in math.
>
>        he improved to
>
>        790 in writing and
>
>        750 in critical reading
>
>        for a total of 2340 out of 2400...
>
>        WowZA!
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bill L.                          mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
>
> '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403  "the red thing"
>
>  Jesus Christ! Close the door! Were you born in a barn!?!?
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From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Fri Oct 24 10:26:16 2008
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:26:16 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] looking for a bugeye?
Message-ID: <1EBF7B4FA2E9458892F2CE5F84220566@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>

I found this in the local Craiglist.  Its local to me if anyone wants it
checked out.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/891470991.html

Glen

From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Fri Oct 24 10:34:08 2008
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:34:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] another bugeye
Message-ID: <E5292A0D368843FAAACA6CB90F517B55@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>

Whoops, missed this one.  This one's more of a Holy Sprite style kit car.  If
you want to catch up to Frank and then race him to the finish, buy this one
and be ready to start assembly tomorrow morning.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/885621180.html

This one's not local to me and I wouldn't be too anxious to go check it out,
but maybe Gerard...?

Glen

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 10:42:10 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
In-Reply-To: <299684412.20081024060245@pacifier.com>
References: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<299684412.20081024060245@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810240942o6920d45dt8afcead05f47291f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>     ...but at least they don't all
>     have to start from the SAME CHASSIS. IF someone figures out a
>     tech advantage within the rules, it isn't taken away within a
>     race or two by adding extra weight or other means.


At least until next year when Mosley & the owners want all teams to go to
the same engine....   NASCAR F-1 can't be very far away at that rate...

Cheers!!
Jim - who agrees with David Booker and who remembers the olden days of
racing in the late 50s...

From mhagopian at hoppetool.com  Fri Oct 24 11:32:52 2008
From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 1275cc Engine
Message-ID: <87a1f55d0810241032w2e91ab15keb09cb5790d0a93b@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone!

I am looking for a 1275cc motor, Stock motor or if there is something done
to it, that would be wonderful too!
Looking for a complete motor, block, head the whole 9.
If there is a tranny attached thats ok too (but not required) If its a 5sp
that would be wonderful!
Let me know if anyone knows of any.
thanks!

-- 
Sincerely,


Matt Hagopian

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Fri Oct 24 11:50:21 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:50:21 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] More clutch
Message-ID: <01802F4AF1D84BCBB5B68E476CBC1F71@Home>

Yes, I have more play than I thought  it the clutch pedal, mostly from the bushing.  But more to the point, my (new) slave cylinder is not filling all the way.  There is still 1/4" of looseness in the  _rod_,  not the linkage, as though the slave spring is pulling the piston back.  It takes 1-1.5" of pedal travel just to reach the clutch plate.  I could put in a filler to lengthen the rod, but it really makes no sense to me that the cylinder will not fill, unless the slave spring is pulling it back.  Is it supposed to?  

I drove several miles this morning, then decided to bleed the clutch system yet again.  No bubbles, but now it won't work at all.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From cmlove at knology.net  Fri Oct 24 11:51:22 2008
From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding Dual Master Brake Cylinder
Message-ID: <001801c93601$209bd300$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>

Who are the recommended sources for rebuilding a 1973 dual master brake
cylinder?

Monty Love 
The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They
happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there.

From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 24 12:06:01 2008
From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <mailman.809.1224820616.3772.spridgets@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.809.1224820616.3772.spridgets@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <49020E89.6000800@sbcglobal.net>

Has anyone seen a radio/gauge mount like this?
Look carefully at the video of this Midget from Manila.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3MgyCaVt4

I kinda like it and it would solve the lack of depth problem for modern 
radios.

Lee

From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct 24 12:09:46 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:09:46 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] More clutch
In-Reply-To: <01802F4AF1D84BCBB5B68E476CBC1F71@Home>
References: <01802F4AF1D84BCBB5B68E476CBC1F71@Home>
Message-ID: <200810241109613.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

You have a spring?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  No spring!

         Peter
==
At 12:50 PM 10/24/2008, Michael Rowe wrote:
>Yes, I have more play than I thought  it the clutch pedal, mostly 
>from the bushing.  But more to the point, my (new) slave cylinder is 
>not filling all the way.  There is still 1/4" of looseness in 
>the  _rod_,  not the linkage, as though the slave spring is pulling 
>the piston back.  It takes 1-1.5" of pedal travel just to reach the 
>clutch plate.  I could put in a filler to lengthen the rod, but it 
>really makes no sense to me that the cylinder will not fill, unless 
>the slave spring is pulling it back.  Is it supposed to?
>
>I drove several miles this morning, then decided to bleed the clutch 
>system yet again.  No bubbles, but now it won't work at all.
>
>Michael Rowe
>'74 Midget
>Long Island, NY

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Fri Oct 24 12:13:52 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:13:52 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] More clutch
References: <01802F4AF1D84BCBB5B68E476CBC1F71@Home>
	<200810241109613.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <5DC9592B8D12423892773A794EA50D3C@NilesAD.von.gov>

But is he referring to an external spring or to the spring inside the slave 
cylinder?
David Lieb
1972 1960 1974 1973


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Caldwell" <peter at nosimport.com>
To: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>; "Spridget Chat Group" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 13:09
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More clutch


> You have a spring?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  No spring!
>
>         Peter
> ==
> At 12:50 PM 10/24/2008, Michael Rowe wrote:
>>Yes, I have more play than I thought  it the clutch pedal, mostly from the 
>>bushing.  But more to the point, my (new) slave cylinder is not filling 
>>all the way.  There is still 1/4" of looseness in the  _rod_,  not the 
>>linkage, as though the slave spring is pulling the piston back.  It takes 
>>1-1.5" of pedal travel just to reach the clutch plate.  I could put in a 
>>filler to lengthen the rod, but it really makes no sense to me that the 
>>cylinder will not fill, unless the slave spring is pulling it back.  Is it 
>>supposed to?
>>
>>I drove several miles this morning, then decided to bleed the clutch 
>>system yet again.  No bubbles, but now it won't work at all.
>>
>>Michael Rowe
>>'74 Midget
>>Long Island, NY
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From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct 24 12:17:00 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding Dual Master Brake Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <001801c93601$209bd300$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>
References: <001801c93601$209bd300$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>
Message-ID: <58CEDAEEFC644F05A8C22D555B51F4BD@spider>

We just bought a new one. Putting it in several times took all the profit
out rebuilding it myself. ...bill in Oregon

==========================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Monty Love
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:51 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding Dual Master Brake Cylinder

Who are the recommended sources for rebuilding a 1973 dual master brake
cylinder?

Monty Love 
The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They
happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there.
_______________________________________________

From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct 24 12:21:07 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] More clutch
In-Reply-To: <5DC9592B8D12423892773A794EA50D3C@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <01802F4AF1D84BCBB5B68E476CBC1F71@Home>
	<200810241109613.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
	<5DC9592B8D12423892773A794EA50D3C@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <200810241121988.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

He did say "pulling it back"as opposed to pushing out the 
piston.  I've seen people do that incorrectly on various cars, and it 
would explain the symptoms he has.   As a rule, if the slave pushrod 
has adjustment on the threads, then there should be a return spring. 
If not, then none.
         Peter
==
At 01:13 PM 10/24/2008, David Lieb wrote:
>But is he referring to an external spring or to the spring inside 
>the slave cylinder?
>David Lieb
>1972 1960 1974 1973
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" <peter at nosimport.com>
>To: "Michael Rowe" <mdrowe at optonline.net>; "Spridget Chat Group" 
><spridgets at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 13:09
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] More clutch
>
>
>>You have a spring?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  No spring!
>>
>>         Peter
>>==
>>At 12:50 PM 10/24/2008, Michael Rowe wrote:
>>>Yes, I have more play than I thought  it the clutch pedal, mostly 
>>>from the bushing.  But more to the point, my (new) slave cylinder 
>>>is not filling all the way.  There is still 1/4" of looseness in 
>>>the  _rod_,  not the linkage, as though the slave spring is 
>>>pulling the piston back.  It takes 1-1.5" of pedal travel just to 
>>>reach the clutch plate.  I could put in a filler to lengthen the 
>>>rod, but it really makes no sense to me that the cylinder will not 
>>>fill, unless the slave spring is pulling it back.  Is it supposed to?
>>>
>>>I drove several miles this morning, then decided to bleed the 
>>>clutch system yet again.  No bubbles, but now it won't work at all.
>>>
>>>Michael Rowe
>>>'74 Midget
>>>Long Island, NY

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct 24 16:45:06 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:45:06 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone near Pontiac, MI?
Message-ID: <49024FF2.5020203@frontiernet.net>

I found a Jeep Comanche on Fleabay that looks promising, but I would 
feel better about buying it if someone lived close enough to give it the 
once over. It would also be nice if a convoy could be set up to get it a 
bit closer to the southwest, but I can take a train if necessary.

Thanks,

Kate

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 17:41:16 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:41:16 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Good News Regarding Nascar
In-Reply-To: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <895659.77170.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <441250190810241641n21afd395jdc17d74f9c1f239c@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget the "Chase for the Cup" making it all the more unfair.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:57 AM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:
> Just how the Hell do you figure NASCAR is 'orchestrated', David??
>
>
>
> I didn't mean they orchestrate a winner, they orchestrate a lack of a clear
> winner, so people all over America can have a reasonale chance that "their"
> driver will be the victor today.

From grunthaner at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 17:46:34 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Accident Repaired!
In-Reply-To: <E5EBAE454DBE43F5BF1956569F603EA6@dave>
References: <E5EBAE454DBE43F5BF1956569F603EA6@dave>
Message-ID: <205cef430810241646n55bf6bc2l838a15e17fb590f3@mail.gmail.com>

Looks nice, I prefer the older grill.
Lin

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:49 PM, David Riker <davriker at nwi.net> wrote:

> Wow!  I went from distraught over the accident, to strangely lucky it
> happened.  The body shop was able to repair the fenders, and they look and
> fit as good as ever.  For now, I am going without a grille surround, and I'm
> back to the 1974 grille, but I have it all back together and have taken it
> out for a drive.  WEEEEE!  The front end alignment hasn't been right since
> the accident I was in 10 years ago, so this time I knew what they needed to
> do.  I had a couple of extra degrees of caster worked in to the frame pull,
> and it really makes for better on center steering feel.  I was able to back
> off on the negative camber, which makes the car look better too.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/636ow6
>
> Dave Riker
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From grunthaner at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 17:49:48 2008
From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:49:48 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Fr Jack sees the painted Sprite
In-Reply-To: <490124C4.1010601@comcast.net>
References: <490124C4.1010601@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <205cef430810241649h42ad53aeh72f367b5929cb3a7@mail.gmail.com>

vroom-vroom : )

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>wrote:

> Tonight my brother dropped off the finished wood steering wheel for the
> Holy Sprite.
> Fr Jack stopped by to see his car in paint. He was like a little kid in a
> candy store.
> Then he saw the steering wheel, grabbed it off the wall and made
> vroom-vroom sounds.
> He can't wait to drive it.
> Today the wheels came back from the media blaster, I powder coated 2 of
> them and have them baking right now.
> Only 2 fit in the oven at one time.
> I also ordered the tires from tire rack and will have them mounted before
> the assembly weekend.
> I just need a pinion seal and a pair of motor mounts and all *should* be
> here and ready to put it together.
> I am sure I will be missing something, just too many bits and pieces to
> remember all of it but I should be close.
> Like tonight I went to install the door check straps, the absolute first
> item to go on any Spridget after paint even if temporarily before the
> interior panels and I see I never powder coated the metal brackets for the
> straps. Apparently none came on the HS so I never saw them in the box of
> parts from the disassembly. I am glad I had a few in the door parts can.
> They will be dark blue tomorrow and installed before the doors dent the A
> posts.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From wallstreetlen at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 19:05:55 2008
From: wallstreetlen at hotmail.com (Len Hansen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:05:55 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Manual for Gearbox
Message-ID: <BLU104-W39F36F47357CCDDF3F4B0BF2A0@phx.gbl>

Hey I am looking for a good working manual on rebuilding the gearbox.  I have
a 1967 Rib case, and want to get step by step instructions including specs on
clearances and lots of illustrations would be even better.  All suggestions
welcome...
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Fri Oct 24 19:35:38 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:35:38 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Manual for Gearbox
In-Reply-To: <BLU104-W39F36F47357CCDDF3F4B0BF2A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU104-W39F36F47357CCDDF3F4B0BF2A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <490277EA.3040108@comcast.net>

Len Hansen wrote:
> Hey I am looking for a good working manual on rebuilding the gearbox.  I have
> a 1967 Rib case, and want to get step by step instructions including specs on
> clearances and lots of illustrations would be even better.  All suggestions
> welcome...
>
>   
The Bentley manual is very good as is (long out of print) Autopress manual.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 19:49:47 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
In-Reply-To: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
References: <48FD2BDC.2060808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W564EB55357A93D81BFE72DC22A0@phx.gbl>

Car looks great !!
You and Frankie should be very proud!

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:09:48 -0400
> From: spritenut at comcast.net
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Paint!
>
> It's OEW now and it came out pretty good.
> 2 sags and 1 sweat shirt rub but they should sand out.
> If not, we'll paint it again.
>
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0532.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0533.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0534.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0535.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0536.jpg
> http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq179/spritenut/IMG_0537.jpg
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 08:43:07 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Car collection pics
Message-ID: <32217.51330.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Some pics of a private local car collection that Dave Woerpel and I went to see last weekend. Pics compliments of Dave:

http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/soavero/Rockton%20car%20collection/

Ron

From abcoz at hky.com  Sat Oct 25 10:50:55 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:50:55 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car collection pics
In-Reply-To: <32217.51330.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <32217.51330.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3718E21C9080453E8A5AB79A0353949F@OwnerPC>

Fascinating collection, Ron.  What part of the world is it in, and are they 
open to the public?  I admit to having a soft spot for Pontiacs of '46 to 
'64 manufacture, as our next door neighbor (when I was a kid) was a major 
Pittsburgh area Pontiac dealer.
Bud Osbourne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Car collection pics


> Some pics of a private local car collection that Dave Woerpel and I went 
> to see last weekend. Pics compliments of Dave:
>
> http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq317/soavero/Rockton%20car%20collection/
>
> Ron

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct 25 11:09:50 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:09:50 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Manual for Gearbox
In-Reply-To: <490277EA.3040108@comcast.net>
References: <BLU104-W39F36F47357CCDDF3F4B0BF2A0@phx.gbl>,
	<490277EA.3040108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4902F06E.10866.974829@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Before about 1974 the Autopress book by Kenneth Ball main title on the 
spine was "Austin-healey Sprite, MG Midget 1958-72 Autobook" 287 .

Somewhere about 1974 they changed to company to Autobooks, the title on 
the spine became "Austin-Healey Sprite, MG Midget, 1958-76", Autobook 
#745.

I have both.

The Bentley is basically a reprint of the factory service manu7al....

BTW, I also have an original BMC Service Dept Workshop Manual to 
compare against the other books..

The Haynes books vary... the Deep Red and the Orange covered books 
have the original photographs and are very good and detailed.. The later 
(newer) Blue covered books seem to be Xerox copies (Taiwan??) and the 
photographs are blurry and hard to see.

The Clymer book "Sprite, MG Midget, Service-Repair Handbook" #A205, 
has myuch larger print and (IMHO) has clearer pictures and I use it with the 
other two as it is not as detailed in the gearbox area.

The Intereurope manual #164 has the note on the inside that "This is a 
special factory edtied edition of the factory manual".... in other words it is like 
a "Spridgets for Dummies" book and, IMHO, is not much use for serious 
work.

Hope this helps...

On 24 Oct 2008 at 21:35, Frank Clarici wrote:

>> The Bentley manual is very good as is (long out of print) Autopress
>> manual.


--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sat Oct 25 11:20:32 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:20:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Manual for Gearbox
In-Reply-To: <4902F06E.10866.974829@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C528A370.1A709%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> The Haynes books vary...
The earlier editions have more detail. They had to delete a lot to make room
for the 1500's.

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 11:31:09 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese F1 Trophy
Message-ID: <438196.61441.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just finished watching the tape of last week's Chinese GP.  When they handed
the beautiful chrome trophy to Lewis for his first place finish, the bottom
plate fell off of it.  Hey Frank, Wonder where it was made...
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From cciaffone at verizon.net  Sat Oct 25 11:36:59 2008
From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Car collection pics
In-Reply-To: <32217.51330.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <32217.51330.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4903593B.7010809@verizon.net>

Y'all just have gotta see the Haynes Motor Museum in Somerset in the UK.
The room of all red cars just tears me up.

http://www.haynesmotormuseum.com/home/index.html

chuck

Ron Soave wrote:
> Some pics of a private local car collection that Dave Woerpel and I went to see last weekend. 

From wallstreetlen at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 25 12:25:04 2008
From: wallstreetlen at hotmail.com (Len Hansen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:25:04 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Manual for Gearbox
Message-ID: <BLU104-W25565A03CC733911DA2E9EBF2A0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Frank,  Good information.> From: kk7ss at verizon.net> To:
spridgets at autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:09:50 -0700> Subject: Re:
[Spridgets] Manual for Gearbox> > Before about 1974 the Autopress book by
Kenneth Ball main title on the > spine was 'Austin-healey Sprite, MG Midget
1958-72 Autobook' 287 .> > Somewhere about 1974 they changed to company to
Autobooks, the title on > the spine became 'Austin-Healey Sprite, MG Midget,
1958-76', Autobook > #745.> > I have both.> > The Bentley is basically a
reprint of the factory service manu7al....> > BTW, I also have an original BMC
Service Dept Workshop Manual to > compare against the other books..> > The
Haynes books vary... the Deep Red and the Orange covered books > have the
original photographs and are very good and detailed.. The later > (newer) Blue
covered books seem to be Xerox copies (Taiwan??) and the > photographs are
blurry and hard to see.> > The Clymer book 'Sprite, MG Midget, Service-Repair
Handbook' #A205, > has myuch larger print and (IMHO) has clearer pictures and
I use it with the > other two as it is not as detailed in the gearbox area.> >
The Intereurope manual #164 has the note on the inside that 'This is a >
special factory edtied edition of the factory manual'.... in other words it is
like > a 'Spridgets for Dummies' book and, IMHO, is not much use for serious >
work.> > Hope this helps...> > On 24 Oct 2008 at 21:35, Frank Clarici wrote:>
> >> The Bentley manual is very good as is (long out of print) Autopress> >>
manual.> > > --> Dave G. KK7SS> '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA> > If life
begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!>
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From thcollin at mtu.edu  Sat Oct 25 12:25:54 2008
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:25:54 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Link Help
Message-ID: <78mg19$54e4db@email.mtu.edu>

Not long ago, someone posted a link to a picture of 4 short bars with 
2 offset holes in each bar. I deleted the message thinking I'd never 
use that info, but . . . now I'd like to take a second look. What was 
the link to the pics. I think the consensus was that the bars were 
used to raise the rear bumper on 1500 cars to meet crash standards.

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 12:38:29 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:38:29 +0100
Subject: [Spridgets] Link Help
In-Reply-To: <78mg19$54e4db@email.mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <6A54E7ED5409494DBED499B6143ED8F3@GuyLaptop>

Tim,

They go between the front mounting point for the rear springs, and the floor
of the car. They have the effect of raising the ride height a little

http://healey.org/images/mystry-spacer.jpg

Guy

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Sent: 25 October 2008 19:26
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Link Help


Not long ago, someone posted a link to a picture of 4 short bars with
2 offset holes in each bar. I deleted the message thinking I'd never
use that info, but . . . now I'd like to take a second look. What was
the link to the pics. I think the consensus was that the bars were
used to raise the rear bumper on 1500 cars to meet crash standards.

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/
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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Sat Oct 25 14:12:17 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] ten ferarri morning
Message-ID: <1cb201c936dd$faac2db0$0168010a@mail2world.com>

No LBC, but I was running errands this morning, and on one of my locak
back roads I bassed about 10 Ferraris going the other way on the road,
including at least 1 Enzo. And not all of them were red! And it was
lightly raining too. Go figure!

-=Chris
Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ 

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 15:18:26 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:18:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Car collection pics
In-Reply-To: <3718E21C9080453E8A5AB79A0353949F@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <640097.65920.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:
> Fascinating collection, Ron.  What part of the world is it
> in, and are they 
> open to the public?  I admit to having a soft spot for

Rockton/Roscoe Illinois. They aren't really open to the public - it's 3 brothers and this is their family home. They are the Hammack brothers and own a local home building company, Three Hammer Construction. All 3 families live on the premises in 3 relatively "normal" houses (well, I guess "normal" is a bit of a stretch when it includes 25,000 square feet of garage space and a private lake).

Ron

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sat Oct 25 17:02:04 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:02:04 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] MGB Question (Gasp...!)
Message-ID: <490342FC.19894.1D9C05B@kk7ss.verizon.net>

There is a two owner MGB for sale locally that one of my boys is interested 
in...
The VIN number checks out OK, but I'm having trouble with the Engine 
Number
It starts 18B883AEL... Using the Web and the Lindsay Porter boom, I can 
understand the '18' and the 'AEL' but the '883' has got me beat...

It has been de-smogged, has a Weber downdraught and a LCB exhaust 
fitted...

Can anyone shed any light on what this enginemay be??


--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct 25 18:26:56 2008
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:26:56 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
Message-ID: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know what the lowest Sprite vin number car is in the US, in
existence?  Another thing, was there anything special about the headlights
imported on the very first Bugeyes sent to the US?  The head light on the
Bugeye in quest are Lucas bulbs, but appear to have a small parking light
inside the bulb below the light element.  It's like a smaller bulb in a
round hole.
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 18:44:56 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <273752.7195.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've seen early Beetles and some other european cars from the 50's with those
bulbs.  Never seen one on a bugeye, though.  On the cars I've seen them on,
they are the equivalent of a parking lamp that goes out when the headlight is
on.
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, rrengineer @dslextreme.com <rrengineer at dslextreme.com>
wrote:

From: rrengineer @dslextreme.com <rrengineer at dslextreme.com>
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 7:26 PM

Anyone know what the lowest Sprite vin number car is in the US, in
existence?  Another thing, was there anything special about the headlights
imported on the very first Bugeyes sent to the US?  The head light on the
Bugeye in quest are Lucas bulbs, but appear to have a small parking light
inside the bulb below the light element.  It's like a smaller bulb in a
round hole.
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite
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From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct 25 19:07:51 2008
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:07:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <273752.7195.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<273752.7195.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130810251807x7927ef94ueeaf24fe7fdf7a64@mail.gmail.com>

These bulbs are on one of the first 50 cars off the production line and the
PO swears they are original to the car. He has pictures of himself and
Donald Healey sitting in this car.

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:44 PM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've seen early Beetles and some other european cars from the 50's with
> those bulbs.  Never seen one on a bugeye, though.  On the cars I've seen
> them on, they are the equivalent of a parking lamp that goes out when the
> headlight is on.
>  - David Booker
> '71 Midget
> Long Island
>
> --- On *Sat, 10/25/08, rrengineer @dslextreme.com <
> rrengineer at dslextreme.com>* wrote:
>
> From: rrengineer @dslextreme.com <rrengineer at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 7:26 PM
>
> Anyone know what the lowest Sprite vin number car is in the US, in
> existence?  Another thing, was there anything special about the headlights
> imported on the very first Bugeyes sent to the US?  The head light on the
> Bugeye in quest are Lucas bulbs, but appear to have a small parking light
> inside the bulb below the light element.  It's like a smaller bulb in a
> round hole.
> Mike MacLean
> 60 Sprite
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Oct 25 20:34:09 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:34:09 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEPMEFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Anyone know what the lowest Sprite vin number car is in the US, in
existence?>>

I would try either the Dumb Dentist or the chap in OZ, Mike.

<<Another thing, was there anything special about the headlights
imported on the very first Bugeyes sent to the US?  >>

Never heard of that type of lite being imported (even '40s+ MGs) BUT
I believe mandatory in 'Home Market' as common as dirt over there<G>.
And STILL available (platinum cost tho<G>).  
Need Mr. Weslake<G> for this one.

Me

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sat Oct 25 19:44:29 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:44:29 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4903CB7D.40708@comcast.net>

rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote:
> Anyone know what the lowest Sprite vin number car is in the US, in
> existence?  Another thing, was there anything special about the headlights
> imported on the very first Bugeyes sent to the US?  The head light on the
> Bugeye in quest are Lucas bulbs, but appear to have a small parking light
> inside the bulb below the light element.  It's like a smaller bulb in a
> round hole.
>   

I have those headlamps in a couple of my Sprites but I picked them up 
when I was over in England.
City lights as they are called over here. Just a small bulb like a 
parking lamp inside the headlamp bulb.
As for one of the lowest cars, Alan Fisher has #5?? Maybe even 50? I 
know it's very low.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From frogeye at cox.net  Sat Oct 25 20:12:49 2008
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:12:49 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest bugeye VIN #
Message-ID: <272620BABD9744FF8710B70B855EB606@maind>

I have car # AN5L566 here in Rhode Island. The 65th bugeye off the production
line
I know of atleast one or possibly two other cars with a lower VIN number
I also have a pair of the headlamps that have the smaller bulb inside the lens
that stays inplace with a metal clip that secures it to the base of the
headlamp
Mike if you need a few pictures contact me and I'll be glad to provide them
for you.
Alan

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sat Oct 25 20:38:03 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Problem
Message-ID: <4903D80B.70902@comcast.net>

Holy Sprite gas gauge.
I have both the Bugeye and the later fuel gauges.
I have a late fuel tank with the twist lock sending unit.
The Bugeye tank was full of holes so I have to use this late style tank.
Problem.....
Old gauge, new sender work in reverse, float up, gauge reads E float 
down, gauge reads F.
New gauge, new sender, works OK, F= F but float down reads 1/4 on the gauge.
I am thinking this set up needs the voltage stabilizer which I have 
somewhere but I already made and wrapped up the
Holy Harness.
Exactly how is that stabilizer wired in?
one side is 12 v in, the other is whatever volts stabilized coming out?
Does anybody think this will cure the 1/4 tank reading when the float is 
fully down?
If not, I was going to just take the gauge apart and bend the needle to 
suit. It is hidden under the valance on the later gauge.
Then maybe when full it will rest on the F not way past it.
Thoughts?
BTW, the Holy Sprite is all wet sanded and buffed out, wheel wells 
blacked out with undercoating, and the door check straps are on ;)
I will be buffing out the cockpit surround since the anodizer wanted 
$250 for the 3 pieces, I'll sand and polish them and teach the good 
Father how to keep them polished. Road wheels are powder coated and the 
tires should be here Mon or Tues. I have the installer talked into 
mounting them for nothing. (He owes me a favor anyway)
More later.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From millerls at ado13.com  Sat Oct 25 21:41:48 2008
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Problem
References: <4903D80B.70902@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BC57D9B317284E918FEC0853FDFEEBFA@HP>

Some of the Spridget gauges are adjustable. Check the sides of the gauge and 
see if there are two round holes covered with a thin sheet of tape or 
something. There is a POT under each one. One of them will adjust the F and 
the other will adjust the E.

Larry Miller

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Clarici" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Problem


> Holy Sprite gas gauge.
> I have both the Bugeye and the later fuel gauges.
> I have a late fuel tank with the twist lock sending unit.
> The Bugeye tank was full of holes so I have to use this late style tank.
> Problem.....
> Old gauge, new sender work in reverse, float up, gauge reads E float down, 
> gauge reads F.
> New gauge, new sender, works OK, F= F but float down reads 1/4 on the 
> gauge.
> I am thinking this set up needs the voltage stabilizer which I have 
> somewhere but I already made and wrapped up the
> Holy Harness.
> Exactly how is that stabilizer wired in?
> one side is 12 v in, the other is whatever volts stabilized coming out?
> Does anybody think this will cure the 1/4 tank reading when the float is 
> fully down?
> If not, I was going to just take the gauge apart and bend the needle to 
> suit. It is hidden under the valance on the later gauge.
> Then maybe when full it will rest on the F not way past it.
> Thoughts?
> BTW, the Holy Sprite is all wet sanded and buffed out, wheel wells blacked 
> out with undercoating, and the door check straps are on ;)
> I will be buffing out the cockpit surround since the anodizer wanted $250 
> for the 3 pieces, I'll sand and polish them and teach the good Father how 
> to keep them polished. Road wheels are powder coated and the tires should 
> be here Mon or Tues. I have the installer talked into mounting them for 
> nothing. (He owes me a favor anyway)
> More later.
>
> -- 
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
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From pythias at pacifier.com  Sat Oct 25 22:02:29 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Friendly Reminder
Message-ID: <148832121.20081025210229@pacifier.com>

Hello Spridgets,

  For everyone, when was the last time you lubed all you Zerk fittings?
   Winter is coming on and now it is a good time to get it done.
    I tend to use Daylight Savings Time comings and goings as a reminder
    that it should be done every 6 months or so.

Also, for those who DRIVE Square Body cars, while you're down there
be sure to check the drain holes at the front of the front fenders.
 Clogged ones call to the Rust Monster, especially as winter approaches.
  I just found mine clogged up and took about about a half cup of mud/rocks.

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                          mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403  "the red thing"
 
  A half moon is better than no moon at all 

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 22:49:25 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:49:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Friendly Reminder
In-Reply-To: <148832121.20081025210229@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <554613.72384.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:
"be sure to check the drain holes at the front of the front fenders."

Good reminder.  I just cleaned mine out tonight.  Spent the evening out in the
garage tinkering with various things on the Midget.  Some PO apparently ran
over something that took out the sway bar and folded the tie down loops more
or less flat against the frame.  I removed the bent loops when my son mounted
the "new" sway bar a couple of weekends ago.  It occurred to me today that it
might come in handy some day to have a secure place to tie from (hope not, but
let's be realistic), so I drug out the anvil and beat them flat, painted, and
remounted them.  Also changed the oil and put in my new magnetized oil drain
plug. 
 - David Booker
'71 MIdget
Long Island

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 23:12:07 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:12:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Scissor Jack tip
Message-ID: <600403.44729.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I recently bought a scissor jack on ebay for the Midget.  The jack I bought
has a flat metal surface with a hole in the middle that lifts the car.  I
found the perfect thing to mount there.  At a friend's house a few days ago we
were talking about the jack and various other things MG when I mentioned that
I wanted to find some kind of rubber foot with a mounting bolt to fit on top
of the jack. 
 
He dug the remnants of a motor mount for a Magnette out of the trash .  He had
cut the rubber part in half with his sawzall when removing the engine a little
while ago.  The half motor mount is absolutely perfect.  Mounted it to the
jack and tried it out today.  I don't know if Magnettes have mounts in common
with B's or Midgets, but any similar mount should work.  Basically, you take
an engine mount that is rubber in the middle with a metal plate and a bolt
sticking out, cut the rubber in half and have something to bolt onto
your scissor jack. 
 
Thought I'd pass it along since I've been unsuccessfully looking for something
like this for a few weeks.  Somebody suggested counter sinking a bolt
thru a hockey puck, but I didn't get around to testing that idea.
 
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 23:24:14 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Stripes for a square body... Opinions wanted
Message-ID: <84347.72740.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I want to put a couple of stripes on the Midget.  What I have in mind is
something similar to what is typically seen on Cobras - two contrasting color
wide stripes over the hood and trunk (and the front and rear valances).  The
problem is I'm having a hard time deciding the stripe width and spacing
between them.  Anybody have suggestions?  Anybody have pics they want to
email? 
 
I plan to order vinyl stripes from Frank's dad and with any luck maybe even
pick them up at the Holy Sprite build weekend.  I have no idea how long it
will take to get the correct color and cut them, so that part is just
hoping...  
 
Thanks
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island
 
 
 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 00:21:51 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:21:51 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <4903CB7D.40708@comcast.net>
References: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4903CB7D.40708@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810252321k46feaf31ya18d5e6cf16627c2@mail.gmail.com>

As someone mentioned, all English cars had them in the 40s through 60s. Its
a left over from the Blitz. When I lived in England in the 60s many cars
still drove without headlights at night. They'd got into that habit during
the war and it just continued. In fact, most cars and motorcycles of the 50s
and 60s in Europe that I remember had those lights. You used to park along a
street at night and leave those lights on overnight. My old 1946 MG TC had a
little light that hung off the corner of the windscreen and plugged into the
cigar lighter (aftermarket!). My Norton had a small bulb in both the
headlamp and the tail lamp which turned on with a special ignition switch
position. Just a slight glow really. Not much light at all. My recently
restored 1964 BMW R60/2 also has that switch position and special little
bulbs.I was never really sure what these lights were for but "when in
Rome"....  Perhaps some of our Brit buddies can enlighten...

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net>wrote:

> rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what the lowest Sprite vin number car is in the US, in
>> existence?  Another thing, was there anything special about the headlights
>> imported on the very first Bugeyes sent to the US?  The head light on the
>> Bugeye in quest are Lucas bulbs, but appear to have a small parking light
>> inside the bulb below the light element.  It's like a smaller bulb in a
>> round hole.
>>
>>
>
> I have those headlamps in a couple of my Sprites but I picked them up when
> I was over in England.
> City lights as they are called over here. Just a small bulb like a parking
> lamp inside the headlamp bulb.
> As for one of the lowest cars, Alan Fisher has #5?? Maybe even 50? I know
> it's very low.
>
> --
> Frank Clarici
> Toms River, NJ
>
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-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 00:28:01 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:28:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Problem
In-Reply-To: <BC57D9B317284E918FEC0853FDFEEBFA@HP>
References: <4903D80B.70902@comcast.net> <BC57D9B317284E918FEC0853FDFEEBFA@HP>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810252328r77c8cc06ibad7bdc125f39852@mail.gmail.com>

If Larry's suggestion fails, use the same system I had on my MG TC.  A
graduated stick.   ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Larry & Sandi Miller
<millerls at ado13.com>wrote:

> Some of the Spridget gauges are adjustable. Check the sides of the gauge
> and see if there are two round holes covered with a thin sheet of tape or
> something. There is a POT under each one. One of them will adjust the F and
> the other will adjust the E.
>
> Larry Miller
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clarici" <spritenut at comcast.net>
> To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:38 PM
> Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Problem
>
>
>  Holy Sprite gas gauge.
>> I have both the Bugeye and the later fuel gauges.
>> I have a late fuel tank with the twist lock sending unit.
>> The Bugeye tank was full of holes so I have to use this late style tank.
>> Problem.....
>> Old gauge, new sender work in reverse, float up, gauge reads E float down,
>> gauge reads F.
>> New gauge, new sender, works OK, F= F but float down reads 1/4 on the
>> gauge.
>> I am thinking this set up needs the voltage stabilizer which I have
>> somewhere but I already made and wrapped up the
>> Holy Harness.
>> Exactly how is that stabilizer wired in?
>> one side is 12 v in, the other is whatever volts stabilized coming out?
>> Does anybody think this will cure the 1/4 tank reading when the float is
>> fully down?
>> If not, I was going to just take the gauge apart and bend the needle to
>> suit. It is hidden under the valance on the later gauge.
>> Then maybe when full it will rest on the F not way past it.
>> Thoughts?
>> BTW, the Holy Sprite is all wet sanded and buffed out, wheel wells blacked
>> out with undercoating, and the door check straps are on ;)
>> I will be buffing out the cockpit surround since the anodizer wanted $250
>> for the 3 pieces, I'll sand and polish them and teach the good Father how to
>> keep them polished. Road wheels are powder coated and the tires should be
>> here Mon or Tues. I have the installer talked into mounting them for
>> nothing. (He owes me a favor anyway)
>> More later.
>>
>> --
>> Frank Clarici
>> Toms River, NJ
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Sun Oct 26 00:34:21 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:34:21 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810252321k46feaf31ya18d5e6cf16627c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4903CB7D.40708@comcast.net>,
	<43840a7e0810252321k46feaf31ya18d5e6cf16627c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4903ACFD.3968.377D53A@kk7ss.verizon.net>

But I do know, first hand, why they are called 'side markers'

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct 26 00:45:14 2008
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810252321k46feaf31ya18d5e6cf16627c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d49b03130810251726q69b89985p60b5b37db17ffd8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4903CB7D.40708@comcast.net>
	<43840a7e0810252321k46feaf31ya18d5e6cf16627c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130810252345g2b49b5e4qf3ae37e06dbcb7c1@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! I'm really getting an education here. Thanks Jim.
Mike

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone mentioned, all English cars had them in the 40s through 60s. Its
> a left over from the Blitz. When I lived in England in the 60s many cars
> still drove without headlights at night. They'd got into that habit during
> the war and it just continued. In fact, most cars and motorcycles of the
> 50s
> and 60s in Europe that I remember had those lights. You used to park along
> a
> street at night and leave those lights on overnight. My old 1946 MG TC had
> a
> little light that hung off the corner of the windscreen and plugged into
> the
> cigar lighter (aftermarket!). My Norton had a small bulb in both the
> headlamp and the tail lamp which turned on with a special ignition switch
> position. Just a slight glow really. Not much light at all. My recently
> restored 1964 BMW R60/2 also has that switch position and special little
> bulbs.I was never really sure what these lights were for but "when in
> Rome"....  Perhaps some of our Brit buddies can enlighten...
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Frank Clarici <spritenut at comcast.net
> >wrote:
>
> > rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know what the lowest Sprite vin number car is in the US, in
> >> existence?  Another thing, was there anything special about the
> headlights
> >> imported on the very first Bugeyes sent to the US?  The head light on
> the
> >> Bugeye in quest are Lucas bulbs, but appear to have a small parking
> light
> >> inside the bulb below the light element.  It's like a smaller bulb in a
> >> round hole.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I have those headlamps in a couple of my Sprites but I picked them up
> when
> > I was over in England.
> > City lights as they are called over here. Just a small bulb like a
> parking
> > lamp inside the headlamp bulb.
> > As for one of the lowest cars, Alan Fisher has #5?? Maybe even 50? I know
> > it's very low.
> >
> > --
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> > Toms River, NJ
> >
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>
>
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> Jim
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From abcoz at hky.com  Thu Oct 23 13:13:25 2008
From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:13:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810231146t3bd55d29vda202bfb6ea5dd1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EDA0C8DE21B84FEC9368A4B1CB17FCA8@OwnerPC>
	<e98d88090810231108m3ba1c60fn5b51a7e2a9786a57@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F4369BD91F846E6AB31F5EA416F6A27@OwnerPC>
	<e98d88090810231146t3bd55d29vda202bfb6ea5dd1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F5EAB9715114F12BE43C914AE153240@OwnerPC>

No.  I guess I've led a pretty sheltered life :)
Bud
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Brad Fornal
  To: Bud Osbourne
  Cc: spridgets
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets


  you've never seen one of these?
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&refid=store&catego
ry=33675&viewitem=&item=260281285900
  A similar mounting plate without the holes, would easily hold lighter, and
two switches, plus room for a couple of more if needed.


  On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

    Brad,
    Thanks for the response.  I'm not familiar with the Sun set-up you
mention, but it sounds like it might be something along the lines I'm thinking
of.
    Basically, right now I'm contemplating cutting the OE console straight
across, right above the line where it bends from the part that the radio
mounts in, to the upper part where the speaker mounts.  Of course, the radio
opening would be covered by an inserted (welded) plate.  That would leave
plenty of room for mounting the 4-way flasher switch, cigarette lighter, and
any othe switches I might need to put in there.  It would be simple enough to
"section" and reweld the lower part, to make it more narrow, if need be.
    Any of you guys ever try something like this?
    Thanks.
    Bud
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Brad Fornal
      To: Bud Osbourne
      Cc: spridgets
      Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:08 PM
      Subject: Re: [Spridgets] center console solutions for later CB Midgets


      Why not utilize something similar to the tri pac gauge set Sun used to
offer, to mount the three items you need into it. That way, it is narrower and
not far below the dash, and you gain more knee space.

      Brad


      On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Bud Osbourne <abcoz at hky.com> wrote:

        I've been contemplating ridding my '72 Midget of it's radio console.
I don't
        have a radio in the car, and I'm getting increasingly weary of the
console's
        intrusion on my knee space.  Also, my 6'2" son could use some extra
room in
        that area, too.  I've been toying wit hthe idea of carving up a
console from a
        parts car, to see what solutions I can come up with.  Really, all that
I need
        from that console is a mounting for the 4-way flasher switch, a
fog/driving
        light switch (not currently in use), and the lighter (to power cell
phone
        charger, etc.).
        Have any of you guys done away with that console?  If so, please
describe how
        you re-packaged the contents and covered the remains.
        Thanks.
        Bud Osbourne
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From froggi60 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 15:33:53 2008
From: froggi60 at gmail.com (WFO Herb)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] A [second] letter from my daughter...Thank you for your
 support!
In-Reply-To: <b8f573d80810111846q103a293qa008b43e51c5f959@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8f573d80810111846q103a293qa008b43e51c5f959@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad6c6b10810121433s4313393ft46f6017c339e3fc3@mail.gmail.com>

 Cut & Paste this time, sorry. (I'll never learn....)

Friends,

Thank all who took time to read my daughter's first letter.  I'm sure you
will find this letter emotionally up-lifting and rewarding.

Sincerely,

Herb




Dear All,

I hope things are well with you.  Please read the attached letter.

Best regards!

Chrissy



Dear Family and Friends,

First and foremost, I want to thank all of you, who donated to the Breast
Cancer 3-Day on my behalf, for your generosity.  Next, I would like to tell
you about my 3-Day journey.

There were around 3,ooo walkers ready to start walking by 6:30 Friday
morning.  The walkers began with tremendous energy and everyone was excited
to begin walking for a cure!  By mid-day, many people were slowing and
already starting to bandage blisters.  My team arrived into camp at 4:30
Friday afternoon, finishing number 800 and something.  And me?  Still going
strong with no blisters after 20 miles!

Day two began at 6:00 and, although it was difficult to pull ourselves out
of the sleeping bags to face the chilly 45 degrees, my team was still
feeling pretty good and ready to face another day of walking.  We were
definitely not the first ones on the trail for the day and were near number
1,100 at the first stop.  Feeling pretty good and just wanting to get back
to camp so we could get showers before everyone else arrived, we walked
about as fast as humanly possible all day, averaging about four miles per
hour (not including pit stops).  After almost 19 miles, we finished the day
somewhere around number 420.  By the end of the day we were definitely
feeling some muscle fatigue, but I was still blister free and had managed to
avoid all major injuries.

For the evening camp meeting, we were graced with the presence of Nancy
Brinker, founder of Susan G. Komen for the Cure .  Her speech, along with
the life changing stories of some the walkers, left us heading to bed
feeling inspired and ready to face another day.

By Sunday morning, we were feeling a fair amount of muscle fatigue and joint
strain but, overall, still feeling strong.   We began the day with a long
bus ride to Arlington.  My team's bus ride was longer than most because our
bus got lost in downtown somewhere for about 45 minutes.  Once again, our
eye was on the finish line and we attempted to get there as quickly as
possible.  By mid-day, it was clear that almost everything hurt and if we
kept moving quickly we were almost numb to the pain (and we just wanted to
be finished)!  Although we had a late start and were somewhere in the 1000
range, we reached the finish line by 2:30 and were number 360 something!  It
felt incredibly good to lie in the grass, rest and stretch while we waited
for the rest of the walkers to come in.

As I sat at the finish line and scanned the faces around me, a young father
caught my eye.  He was wearing a pink polo shirt and had four young
children, also dressed in pink, with him.  He had three boys, the oldest of
which appeared to be about 8, and a little girl that looked to be no more
than 2.  I was quite impressed that he had been managing the brood for the
past several days.  I kept my eye on them to see if it was their mother they
were waiting to see.  I eventually saw the little ones run out to give her a
hug.  It was indeed their mother.  She appeared to be only in her mid
thirties, was thin and had extremely short hair  which led me to believe
she had undergone chemotherapy sometime in the recent past.

At that moment, my thoughts turned away from my exhaustion and pain and to
the opportunity that young mother has to continue raising her children.  That
opportunity has been given to her and others like her because of the
generosity of people like you.  You are the people that help fund research
and education and that is the reason so many people are given the
opportunity to live a full life after breast cancer.

After asking myself why I just put my body through such stress, that woman
reminded me of the millions of reasons  the millions of women and men who
have been and will be diagnosed with breast cancer.   I started my 3-day
journey in honor of my mother and ended it in honor of all the brave men and
women who have experienced and will experience this scary disease.  If there
is one thing I learned through it all, it is that everyone deserves a
lifetime!

The 2008 Washington, D.C. Breast Cancer 3-Day raised $7 million to help find
a cure.  Breast Cancer 3-Days have raised more than $400 million to benefit
Susan G. Komen for the Cure.

Thank you for your generous support!

Chrissy







P.S. If you did not get the chance to donate on my behalf before September
30th,but would like to, you can follow the instructions from my previous
letter.  You still have until November 5th!

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of My 3-Day Journey.doc]

From uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 00:04:45 2008
From: uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com (uniquelittlecars at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:04:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Paul A - Mini update
Message-ID: <468626.3490.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Paul was in the hospital for four weeks and was released a week or so ago. He
is in recovery mode. The last visit to the doctors he tested negative. He is
recovering faster then any one expected after the treatments. He is getting
around with out a Cain. When i talked to him he was out gathering parts for
the 5 speed kits. He is still not strong enough to work on a transmission. But
at the rate he is recovering it may be sooner then expected. He is still not
in Portland full time yet. He is back up to a couple times a week. I thought i
would pass on this great news.  
 
If your in the market for the 5 speed kit or any of his other products. You
can either send me a email with your name and 10 digit phone number or you can
write him by Snail Mail. He still does NOT have access to email. Paul can give
you all the information on pricing and answer any other questions you may have
about the kits. This way you get the correct information.  
 
Vigil
SoCal

From wallstreetlen at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 22:45:16 2008
From: wallstreetlen at hotmail.com (Len Hansen)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:45:16 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
Message-ID: <BLU104-W16CA547BC5616DEB95964ABF280@phx.gbl>

I can repy to a single email, but I do not know how to reply to a post so that
all can see my reply.
_________________________________________________________________
When your life is on the gotake your life with you.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 26 02:01:35 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:01:35 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
Message-ID: <c6b.435ea2cd.36358bef@aol.com>

I am totally the wrong person for originality-type questions!  Besides  I 
wasn't even born when the first cars were made!
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 26/10/2008 01:34:25 GMT Standard Time,  shop at justbrits.com 
writes:

And  STILL available (platinum cost tho<G>).  
Need Mr.  Weslake<G> for this one.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 26 02:03:42 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:03:42 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
Message-ID: <c94.3f7a2ea4.36358c6e@aol.com>

Modern cars have them so you can get a 7" Halogen headlamp with them.   
Earlier tungstan sealed beam units came with them but I thought the Frogeye  would 
have had pre-focus bulbs?
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 26/10/2008 01:44:11 GMT Standard Time,  
spritenut at comcast.net writes:

I have  those headlamps in a couple of my Sprites but I picked them up 
when I was  over in England.
City lights as they are called over here. Just a small  bulb like a 
parking lamp inside the headlamp  bulb.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 26 02:09:29 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:09:29 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Re:  Holy Problem
Message-ID: <c01.4bf697c9.36358dc9@aol.com>

I don't think the stabiliser will cure the reading - it just seems to  stop 
the needle flickering when the engine is running.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 26/10/2008 02:37:43 GMT Standard Time,  
spritenut at comcast.net writes:

Exactly  how is that stabilizer wired in?
one side is 12 v in, the other is whatever  volts stabilized coming out?
Does anybody think this will cure the 1/4 tank  reading when the float is 
fully down?
If not, I was going to just take  the gauge apart and bend the needle to 
suit. It is hidden under the  valance on the later gauge.
Then maybe when full it will rest on the F not  way past it.
Thoughts?

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct 26 04:10:53 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:10:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
Message-ID: <4DDE25C05D474BA49EE988FD422B16D6@spider>

"When in Rome, ..."

The 1961 Mercedes sedans had little side lights just forward of both front
doors. And there was a position on the light switch to turn each of these on
separately. I was told it was for parking on narrow European streets at
night. You'd pull your car onto the sidewalk as far as custom dictated and
leave the street-side light on over night. The bulbs are a very small, like
a multi-vitamin pill. ...bill in Oregon

 

==============================================================

-----Original Message-----

From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson

Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:22 PM

To: Frank Clarici; Spridgets

Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin

 

As someone mentioned, all English cars had them in the 40s through 60s. Its

a left over from the Blitz. When I lived in England in the 60s many cars

still drove without headlights at night. They'd got into that habit during

the war and it just continued. In fact, most cars and motorcycles of the 50s

and 60s in Europe that I remember had those lights. You used to park along a

street at night and leave those lights on overnight. My old 1946 MG TC had a

little light that hung off the corner of the windscreen and plugged into the

cigar lighter (aftermarket!). My Norton had a small bulb in both the

headlamp and the tail lamp which turned on with a special ignition switch

position. Just a slight glow really. Not much light at all. My recently

restored 1964 BMW R60/2 also has that switch position and special little

bulbs. I was never really sure what these lights were for but "when in

Rome"....  Perhaps some of our Brit buddies can enlighten...

 

Cheers!!

Jim

From corvallis at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct 26 04:13:53 2008
From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:13:53 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
In-Reply-To: <BLU104-W16CA547BC5616DEB95964ABF280@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU104-W16CA547BC5616DEB95964ABF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1CD024441C23499AB8B28FF0B50A79AC@spider>

You have to cut out the To: address in your reply and put in the group's
email address of spridgets at autox.team.net
This is the only group that I have the same problem with. ...bill in oregon
========================================
-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Len Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:45 PM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Help

I can reply to a single email, but I do not know how to reply to a post so
that
all can see my reply.
_________________________________________________________________

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Sun Oct 26 06:46:35 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:46:35 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
Message-ID: <SUWCL29MG08vMl0p4N3000e7b77@smtpoutcl29.wirelesssyncvzw.net>

You can hit reply all.  In the settings for the list people can decide if they
wish to receive duplicate copies of such emails.  By the way, I think that was
my first post.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: "Len Hansen" <wallstreetlen at hotmail.com>
To: "spridgets at autox.team.net" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: 10/23/08 12:45 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] Help

I can repy to a single email, but I do not know how to reply to a post so
that
all can see my reply.
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From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Sun Oct 26 06:46:34 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:46:34 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty, Holy Sprite, No LBC
Message-ID: <SUWCL26MG08XauXYvPl000f3d99@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>

I would like to thank everyone for the responces to my Humpty thread, I got a
lot of good advice. I also got a lot of parts offers, unfortatey, most were
wrong body type.  Still, what a great community!  I do have two follow ups. I
did not get any replies about chemical paint strippers.  Sanding would be
nice, but I have no good way to control the dust, and my compressor will not
supply enough air to power a sander for that kind of use.  Also, When it comes
to panels, VB is cheaper than Moss, are the parts as good?  Anybody have good
or bad experiences with fit or quality?

As to Holy Sprite, I know a lot of people are getting together and fixing a
Spite. It also sonds like someone is really happy about it.  And someone else
has a very understanding wife, who feeds everyone.  Can someone give me, and
other newbies, the Cliff Notes so that I can follow this?

What's an LBC and why is it such a big deal when there's no LBC?

Drew

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 26 07:51:09 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:51:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] MGB Question (Gasp...!)
References: <490342FC.19894.1D9C05B@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <A647B90AC0624BE09FF7FF8D417956A5@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave G." <kk7ss at verizon.net>
To: "spridget Blog" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:02 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] MGB Question (Gasp...!)


There is a two owner MGB for sale locally that one of my boys is interested
in...
The VIN number checks out OK, but I'm having trouble with the Engine
Number
It starts 18B883AEL... Using the Web and the Lindsay Porter boom, I can
understand the '18' and the 'AEL' but the '883' has got me beat...

It has been de-smogged, has a Weber downdraught and a LCB exhaust
fitted...

Can anyone shed any light on what this enginemay be??


--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!
_______________________________________________

Dave, I'm sure your fingers missed the mark on the keyboard a bit, but that 
should read 18"V" not 18B.  The 18Vs started in the early 70's and went to 
the end in 1980.  The 883 series were the later 70's 18Vs engines w/o 
overdrive trans.

LAD 

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct 26 08:05:07 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:05:07 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
In-Reply-To: <BLU104-W16CA547BC5616DEB95964ABF280@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU104-W16CA547BC5616DEB95964ABF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <148269392.20081026080507@pacifier.com>

Hello Len,

     if you want more specific help you have to tell us what program
     you are using for your email? the steps involved will be
     different for any and all individual programs.

     the bottom line is that you should/could be using the CC: line or
     the BCC: line and, as others have said, paste
     spridget at autox.team.net into that line. If you do it this way,
     you will send a note BOTH to directly to the recipient, AND to
     "the list". ..

     if you use reply all, it sends it out to everyone listed in the
     from lines of your communication; not always what you  want.

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
      * "My parents are called Billy and Nanny," Tom kidded.

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct 26 08:11:25 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:11:25 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Courtesy
Message-ID: <929908338.20081026081125@pacifier.com>

Hello Spridgets,

  
          Something i've noticed lately about the list. Many of us
have, for some reason stopped editing our replies. Mark used to have a
note at the bottom that asked us to do that..

        When we leave in the full text of the message to which we are
replying, we are using BANDWDTH, and bandwidth costs money.

          Its a simple thing to either.. turn off message quoting, OR
cutting out the body of the old letter BEFORE sending. If there is a
good reason to leave in parts of the old message by all means leave
that part in for clarity, but let's all help converve bandwidth.

There USED to be a note at the bottom that said

please edit your replies

lets do that
-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                          mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403  "the red thing"
 
  A half moon is better than no moon at all 

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 26 09:34:44 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:34:44 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <c94.3f7a2ea4.36358c6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C529EA34.1A74D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

Non-sealed beam headlights were illegal in the US from the late thirties to
the early eighties. I don't think any new Sprites could have been sold here
with bulbs. Ford finally proved to our government that they could get better
gas mileage by using halogen bulbs. That's why a lot of our imports had
uglier front ends than their European counterparts.

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sun Oct 26 09:41:22 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:41:22 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty, Holy Sprite, No LBC
In-Reply-To: <SUWCL26MG08XauXYvPl000f3d99@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
References: <SUWCL26MG08XauXYvPl000f3d99@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
Message-ID: <D6D73E811C2642DEBEFBB120861F6CE6@Home>

>And someone else has a very understanding wife, who feeds everyone.

As far as I know, this is the most important part of the entire hobby, and 
no one has really good advice.  I usually ask the wives, not the husbands, 
but the only useful answer I ever got was, "Well, he doesn't gamble or run 
around with other women."

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY 

From nases at verizon.net  Sun Oct 26 09:47:31 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] coil to dizzy connection
Message-ID: <2A6884BD-9153-4917-81C6-D2F80F742490@verizon.net>

My bugeye with a 1098 engine is wired negative ground.  Should I have  
the positive side of the coil (white with black tracer) to the dizzy  
or the other way around?


Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Sun Oct 26 09:52:29 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:52:29 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Clutch
Message-ID: <8A0787FC81A948AF9B61F715886080E7@Home>

Well, someone got this one right some time ago, but the suggestion was so remote that I ignored it.  My clutch doesn't work because the release lever pivot bolt is either broken or unattached, so the lever just waves around in the air.  As the correct diagnosis (??Westlake??) pointed out, it will, amazingly, work that way - sort of.  

I will not be out again before it snows.  I guess I was lucky to drive 1-2 miles this week before it crapped out completely.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From nases at verizon.net  Sun Oct 26 10:04:16 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:04:16 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] This is a GREAT DAY
Message-ID: <2F5C449E-1743-4033-B4C1-F15FF40ECB87@verizon.net>

After several years (more than I want to admit) I finally got to the  
stage of firing the Bugeye.

I cranked it with no plugs and got oil pressure, put the plugs in and  
it fired up and ran real smooth after some minor timing adjustment.

I have a water leak at the heater valve but other than that so far so  
good.

Can we have a do over at LOTO now that I have a car?  No doors or  
windshield yet but it runs.

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Sun Oct 26 10:22:56 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] This is a GREAT DAY
In-Reply-To: <2F5C449E-1743-4033-B4C1-F15FF40ECB87@verizon.net>
References: <2F5C449E-1743-4033-B4C1-F15FF40ECB87@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4904A770.1070902@wi.net>

CONGRATULATIONS PHIL!!!  A bunch of us are getting together at Frank's 
in a 2 weeks; we'll pretend it's a LOTO East meeting.  Putt on over!  
Actually my wife and I are taking a leisurely trip out there and may 
have time to stop and see it run.
Now you don't have to make VROOOooom- vroom noises anymore.
Way to go,
Dave
59 :{)
Burlington WI

Phil Nase wrote:
> After several years (more than I want to admit) I finally got to the 
> stage of firing the Bugeye.
>
> Phil Nase
> Quakertown, PA
> http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Sun Oct 26 10:53:58 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] coil to dizzy connection
In-Reply-To: <2A6884BD-9153-4917-81C6-D2F80F742490@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C529FCC6.1A759%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> My bugeye with a 1098 engine is wired negative ground.  Should I have
> the positive side of the coil (white with black tracer) to the dizzy
> or the other way around?
Ign. switch to coil +.
Coil - gets grounded through the dist.

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 26 12:15:56 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:15:56 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
In-Reply-To: <148269392.20081026080507@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEBHEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Sorry, Bill....

<<the CC: line or the BCC:>>

NEVER, I repeat NEVER BCC: !!!

Depending on Mark's settings a post to BCC: will be held for HIS approval
(and he needs more work like a hole in the head) or discarded!!!  PERIOD!!!

<<line and, as others have said, paste spridget at autox.team.net into that
line. If you do it this way, you will send a note BOTH to directly to the
recipient, AND to "the list". ..>>

And just WHY do you feel it is (needlessly) necessary to return to the
Poster when he will see the Reply 'On List'???

I consider it just plain rude.  If you notice, YOU will NOT rec'v TWO
IDENTICAL mails<G>.  And I always use "Reply All:" BUT edit out
EVERYBODY except The List<VBG>!!!

Ed
Webmaster/Administrator (of several Mail Lists using EXACT same prog.)

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 12:12:55 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:12:55 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty, Holy Sprite, No LBC
In-Reply-To: <SUWCL26MG08XauXYvPl000f3d99@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
References: <SUWCL26MG08XauXYvPl000f3d99@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810261212gc2d4d97w7c50889ff2c74106@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew,

There is a precis page about the Holy Sprite Project. Go to
http://www.Sprite-MidgetClub.org and you will find a link there in the
"Ongoing Events" section. Of further interest is the "BusterCluster" at
http://www.ado13.com/BusterCluster.html or http://www.BusterCluster2006.org

Basically, these events sprang from the original Organization of Spridget
Handymen In Transit group <http://www.oshitblog.blogspot.com/>.

The idea is a bunch of guys who love these Little British Cars (LBCs) get
together to provide random acts of kindness and generosity.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Andrew Payne <andrewpayne at intrex.net>wrote:

> I would like to thank everyone for the responces to my Humpty thread, I got
> a
> lot of good advice. I also got a lot of parts offers, unfortatey, most were
> wrong body type.  Still, what a great community!  I do have two follow ups.
> I
> did not get any replies about chemical paint strippers.  Sanding would be
> nice, but I have no good way to control the dust, and my compressor will
> not
> supply enough air to power a sander for that kind of use.  Also, When it
> comes
> to panels, VB is cheaper than Moss, are the parts as good?  Anybody have
> good
> or bad experiences with fit or quality?
>
> As to Holy Sprite, I know a lot of people are getting together and fixing a
> Spite. It also sonds like someone is really happy about it.  And someone
> else
> has a very understanding wife, who feeds everyone.  Can someone give me,
> and
> other newbies, the Cliff Notes so that I can follow this?
>
> What's an LBC and why is it such a big deal when there's no LBC?
>
> Drew
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Cheers!!
Jim

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 12:18:37 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:18:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEBHEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <148269392.20081026080507@pacifier.com>
	<CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEBHEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810261218g36aedd9ah2eec2645d9a9ecc1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

> I always use "Reply All:" BUT edit out
> EVERYBODY except The List


What Ed said. Without all the upper case shouting which is also rude.

Cheers!!
Jim

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 12:28:41 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Re: Holy Problem
In-Reply-To: <c01.4bf697c9.36358dc9@aol.com>
References: <c01.4bf697c9.36358dc9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810261228l58196512u76ce340fb67dd4bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmmm....   This sounds kinda like the reverse of the problem I have with my
fuel gauge.  When I first got the car the gauge didn't work at all. I
dropped the fuel tank and cleaned it out. When I saw the condition of the
sending unit, I reasoned that was the problem and replaced it with one from
VB. Once back together, the durned thing now registers 1/4 when the tank is
full and goes down from there. With all the other issues this has been very
low on my priority list so I haven't got to fixing it yet.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:09 AM, <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:

> I don't think the stabiliser will cure the reading - it just seems to  stop
> the needle flickering when the engine is running.
>
> W e s l a k e 1330
>
> In a message dated 26/10/2008 02:37:43 GMT Standard Time,
> spritenut at comcast.net writes:
>
> Exactly  how is that stabilizer wired in?
> one side is 12 v in, the other is whatever  volts stabilized coming out?
> Does anybody think this will cure the 1/4 tank  reading when the float is
> fully down?
> If not, I was going to just take  the gauge apart and bend the needle to
> suit. It is hidden under the  valance on the later gauge.
> Then maybe when full it will rest on the F not  way past it.
> Thoughts?
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From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct 26 12:37:31 2008
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Re: Holy Problem
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810261228l58196512u76ce340fb67dd4bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c01.4bf697c9.36358dc9@aol.com>
	<43840a7e0810261228l58196512u76ce340fb67dd4bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130810261237r34320e0eu88097763765eac62@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
     You either have the wrong gage or the the wrong sending unit.  The
later gages will work backwards with the Bugeye sending units and
vice-versa.
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmmmm....   This sounds kinda like the reverse of the problem I have with
> my
> fuel gauge.  When I first got the car the gauge didn't work at all. I
> dropped the fuel tank and cleaned it out. When I saw the condition of the
> sending unit, I reasoned that was the problem and replaced it with one from
> VB. Once back together, the durned thing now registers 1/4 when the tank is
> full and goes down from there. With all the other issues this has been very
> low on my priority list so I haven't got to fixing it yet.
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:09 AM, <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think the stabiliser will cure the reading - it just seems to
>  stop
> > the needle flickering when the engine is running.
> >
> > W e s l a k e 1330
> >
> > In a message dated 26/10/2008 02:37:43 GMT Standard Time,
> > spritenut at comcast.net writes:
> >
> > Exactly  how is that stabilizer wired in?
> > one side is 12 v in, the other is whatever  volts stabilized coming out?
> > Does anybody think this will cure the 1/4 tank  reading when the float is
> > fully down?
> > If not, I was going to just take  the gauge apart and bend the needle to
> > suit. It is hidden under the  valance on the later gauge.
> > Then maybe when full it will rest on the F not  way past it.
> > Thoughts?
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>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!!
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From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 26 13:27:43 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:27:43 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty, Holy Sprite, No LBC
Message-ID: <bb9.369d0ac5.36362cbf@aol.com>

Some people have read in great anticipation an e-mail, they are fully  
expecting to be full of interesting, stimulating and just plain exciting LBC  stuff 
only to find it's a joke or some other subject.  This really pis*****  them 
off.  
 
If they know in advance it doesn't have LBC content they can either delete  
it without reading it.  Or read it and blame no-one but themselves if  it is 
really pis***** them off.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 26/10/2008 13:47:19 GMT Standard Time,  
andrewpayne at intrex.net writes:

why is  it such a big deal when there's no LBC

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 26 13:28:33 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:28:33 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Courtesy
Message-ID: <d2c.3ddda446.36362cf1@aol.com>

Probably AOLs but not mine!
 
In a message dated 26/10/2008 15:11:44 GMT Standard Time,  
pythias at pacifier.com writes:

we are  using BANDWDTH, and bandwidth costs money.

From pythias at pacifier.com  Sun Oct 26 13:35:39 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:35:39 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] coil to dizzy connection
In-Reply-To: <2A6884BD-9153-4917-81C6-D2F80F742490@verizon.net>
References: <2A6884BD-9153-4917-81C6-D2F80F742490@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1424070569.20081026133539@pacifier.com>

Hello Phil,

     from the ignition (white) to positive, (CB if you're using a
     stock coil) White/Black from coil negative to the dizzy (SW,
     again if using a stock coil)

     it'll get confusing because the LUCAS coil is marked SW for
     SWITCH (ignition switch)  and CB for CONTACT BREAKER (points)
     instead of NEGATIVE and POSITVE respectively. .. CB should + ans
     SW should be - so when changed to negative ground the coil
     markings are now backwards. 



-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Individualists unite! 

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sun Oct 26 14:04:58 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:04:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEBHEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <CE272B27615F401BAA92F7CA0AFFE0F8@midget>

> I consider it just plain rude.

And if anyone knows "rode"...

I respectfully disagree, however. I generally include the poster and the 
List in my replies for the simple reason that the List is frequently a bit 
lackadaisical about posting replies, so the direct can arrive MUCH sooner 
than the reply on List. Sometimes it is nice to get a response to a question 
in a timely manner. I am sure we have all seen situations where we receive 
someone's reply to a post a day before we see the original question, right?
David Lieb 

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Sun Oct 26 14:10:06 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Courtesy
References: <d2c.3ddda446.36362cf1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C22919E6EA046A7BC8DE017BE4B7B65@midget>

>> we are  using BANDWDTH, and bandwidth costs money.

> Probably AOLs but not mine!

Westie,
We really aren't concerned about your bandwidth OR AOL's. The bandwidth we 
are discussing is that of MJB, the List owner. Sooner or later he is going 
to figure out that this is costing him more than it is worth. This is also 
the reason that attachments are trimmed off, although it would be better if 
they had not been there in the first place.
David Lieb 

From hammack at GotSlack.org  Sun Oct 26 15:09:09 2008
From: hammack at GotSlack.org (Jim Hammack)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1275cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0810241032w2e91ab15keb09cb5790d0a93b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87a1f55d0810241032w2e91ab15keb09cb5790d0a93b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4904EA85.3060405@GotSlack.org>

   Matt,
      I  have a running stock 1275 with working tranny, attached to a '67
   Midget:
   http://www.gotslack.org/midget/
      The  engine was rebuilt about five years ago and driven very little
   since.   The  car  was  running  well  in 2005, but has been neglected
   since.   There is more rust now than shown in the pictures, and damage
   to the top from a small tree falling on the car.  I'll try to get some
   updated pictures on the site.
       I don't have time (or money) to work on the Midget anymore, so the
   whole  thing  is for sale.  I'd be willing to sell only the engine and
   transmission  if  you're  interested.  I have no idea what it's worth,
   though.
                                                                Jim
   Matt Hagopian wrote:

Hey everyone!

I am looking for a 1275cc motor, Stock motor or if there is something done
to it, that would be wonderful too!
Looking for a complete motor, block, head the whole 9.
If there is a tranny attached thats ok too (but not required) If its a 5sp
that would be wonderful!
Let me know if anyone knows of any.
thanks!

From hammack at GotSlack.org  Sun Oct 26 15:28:56 2008
From: hammack at GotSlack.org (Jim Hammack)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:28:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1275cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <4904EA85.3060405@GotSlack.org>
References: <87a1f55d0810241032w2e91ab15keb09cb5790d0a93b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4904EA85.3060405@GotSlack.org>
Message-ID: <4904EF28.8090903@GotSlack.org>

Doh!  that should be:

http://www.gotslack.org/hammack/midget

Jim Hammack wrote:
>    Matt,
>       I  have a running stock 1275 with working tranny, attached to a '67
>    Midget:
>    http://www.gotslack.org/midget/
>       The  engine was rebuilt about five years ago and driven very little
>    since.   The  car  was  running  well  in 2005, but has been neglected
>    since.   There is more rust now than shown in the pictures, and damage
>    to the top from a small tree falling on the car.  I'll try to get some
>    updated pictures on the site.
>        I don't have time (or money) to work on the Midget anymore, so the
>    whole  thing  is for sale.  I'd be willing to sell only the engine and
>    transmission  if  you're  interested.  I have no idea what it's worth,
>    though.
>                                                                 Jim
>    Matt Hagopian wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> I am looking for a 1275cc motor, Stock motor or if there is something done
> to it, that would be wonderful too!
> Looking for a complete motor, block, head the whole 9.
> If there is a tranny attached thats ok too (but not required) If its a 5sp
> that would be wonderful!
> Let me know if anyone knows of any.
> thanks!
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 15:38:22 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Le Mans
Message-ID: <291675.18370.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Le Mans" on TCM Network right now. CRANK IT UP!

Ron

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Sun Oct 26 16:49:15 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:49:15 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Courtesy
Message-ID: <d1f.37b836e4.36365bfb@aol.com>

OOpss sorry to everyone, especially MJB who's bandwidth I'll try not to  
waste - course I don't get heavily into the cats, guns or church key  threads...
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 26/10/2008 21:10:41 GMT Standard Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

Westie,
We really aren't concerned about your bandwidth OR  AOL's

From spritenut at comcast.net  Sun Oct 26 16:55:25 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:55:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <C529EA34.1A74D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <C529EA34.1A74D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <4905036D.9070305@comcast.net>

Billy Zoom wrote:
> Non-sealed beam headlights were illegal in the US from the late thirties to
> the early eighties. 
But the headlamps in question were sealed beams.
I have a set of sealed beam headlights where a small dash light bulb 
goes into a socket that clips to the bulb.
There is a clear spot in the headlight silver where the bulb shines through.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 17:49:44 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:49:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Courtesy
In-Reply-To: <d1f.37b836e4.36365bfb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <595470.95569.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Weslake1330 at aol.com <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:
> I don't get heavily into the cats, guns
> or church key  threads...

No you don't, but you always give concise answers with backup information. Considering you are one of the world's experts on Sprites and you still dispense your knowledge in this forum free and willingly, none of us mind if you forget to snip a line or two.

Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 17:55:32 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:55:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Re: Holy Problem
In-Reply-To: <d49b03130810261237r34320e0eu88097763765eac62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c01.4bf697c9.36358dc9@aol.com>
	<43840a7e0810261228l58196512u76ce340fb67dd4bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<d49b03130810261237r34320e0eu88097763765eac62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810261755m51ff1f98ve3d5f77440cb12b5@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, Mike.  I just haven't taken the time yet to research the problem. The
gauge is original AFAIKT which would make it a 1968. The sender I ordered
from VB was supposedly correct for this car.  I just need to haul the damn
thing out and test it.  Too busy right now with other stuff and the famous
"wooden stick" fuel gauge works fine for now....  ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:37 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com <
rrengineer at dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>      You either have the wrong gage or the the wrong sending unit.  The
> later gages will work backwards with the Bugeye sending units and
> vice-versa.
> Mike MacLean
> 60 Sprite
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm....   This sounds kinda like the reverse of the problem I have with
>> my
>> fuel gauge.  When I first got the car the gauge didn't work at all. I
>> dropped the fuel tank and cleaned it out. When I saw the condition of the
>> sending unit, I reasoned that was the problem and replaced it with one
>> from
>> VB. Once back together, the durned thing now registers 1/4 when the tank
>> is
>> full and goes down from there. With all the other issues this has been
>> very
>> low on my priority list so I haven't got to fixing it yet.
>>
>> Cheers!!
>> Jim
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:09 AM, <Weslake1330 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I don't think the stabiliser will cure the reading - it just seems to
>>  stop
>> > the needle flickering when the engine is running.
>> >
>> > W e s l a k e 1330
>> >
>> > In a message dated 26/10/2008 02:37:43 GMT Standard Time,
>> > spritenut at comcast.net writes:
>> >
>> > Exactly  how is that stabilizer wired in?
>> > one side is 12 v in, the other is whatever  volts stabilized coming out?
>> > Does anybody think this will cure the 1/4 tank  reading when the float
>> is
>> > fully down?
>> > If not, I was going to just take  the gauge apart and bend the needle to
>> > suit. It is hidden under the  valance on the later gauge.
>> > Then maybe when full it will rest on the F not  way past it.
>> > Thoughts?
>> > _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!!
>> Jim
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>


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Cheers!!
Jim

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 18:01:25 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Re: Holy Problem
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810261755m51ff1f98ve3d5f77440cb12b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <699705.35952.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> "wooden stick" fuel gauge works fine for now.... 

Until your buddy tries to be helpful by the roadside and drops it in your tank. Ask me how I know.....

Ron

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 26 18:10:28 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:10:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Le Mans
References: <291675.18370.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <175BE3DB9DF74555BF89F8480057D2A0@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <team-thicko at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:38 PM
Subject: [Spridgets] Le Mans


"Le Mans" on TCM Network right now. CRANK IT UP!

Ron
_______________________________________________

This was the second time in the last couple of weeks.  Carrie doesn't know 
why I would watch it again so soon.  There is nothing I could say to make 
her understand.  That's just the way it is.

LAD 

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 18:15:51 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:15:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Le Mans
In-Reply-To: <175BE3DB9DF74555BF89F8480057D2A0@Larry>
Message-ID: <100335.25580.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Carrie doesn't know 
> why I would watch it again so soon.  

Lynette's words were "I won't ask why you need to watch it on broadcast TV when you have it on DVD, your PC, and your iPod."

Ron
"Like Steve McQueen, all I need's a fast machine...."

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 18:18:08 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:18:08 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Re: Holy Problem
In-Reply-To: <699705.35952.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <43840a7e0810261755m51ff1f98ve3d5f77440cb12b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<699705.35952.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810261818g52e27ddei52aeb566e0474dd2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > "wooden stick" fuel gauge works fine for now....
>
> Until your buddy tries to be helpful by the roadside and drops it in your
> tank. Ask me how I know.....


You gotta get a longer stick, Ron!   ;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 26 18:21:02 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Le Mans
References: <100335.25580.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <835F35A9BCD54332858CB00100C24D30@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <team-thicko at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Le Mans


--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Carrie doesn't know
> why I would watch it again so soon.

Lynette's words were "I won't ask why you need to watch it on broadcast TV 
when you have it on DVD, your PC, and your iPod."

Ron
"Like Steve McQueen, all I need's a fast machine...."
_______________________________________________

Zackly.

LAD 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 26 18:22:26 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
Message-ID: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>

Peter C.,

I read in the paper this morning that Poynette is being overrun by coyotes.
They said that pets were disappearing.

Hmmm,  floods this past summer; coyotes now; I suppose pestilence is next?
Stop your sinful ways before it's too late!!

LAD

From soavero at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 18:30:42 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Fuel gauge Re: Holy Problem
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810261818g52e27ddei52aeb566e0474dd2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268211.90072.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jim Johnson <bmwwxman at gmail.com> wrote:
> You gotta get a longer stick, Ron!   ;-)

Road in the cornfields; car seemed out of gas despite fuel gauge reports to the contrary. Roadside stick supply was limited ;-). And yes, car was out of gas. It was only last weekend!

Ron

From wallstreetlen at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 26 19:20:19 2008
From: wallstreetlen at hotmail.com (Len Hansen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:20:19 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Help
In-Reply-To: <CE272B27615F401BAA92F7CA0AFFE0F8@midget>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNOEBHEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<CE272B27615F401BAA92F7CA0AFFE0F8@midget>
Message-ID: <BLU104-W56682FB66C7C3C6D27A0ECBF240@phx.gbl>

Thanks everyone.  > From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> To:
spridgets at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:04:58 -0500> Subject: Re:
[Spridgets] Help> > > I consider it just plain rude.> > And if anyone knows
"rode"...> > I respectfully disagree, however. I generally include the poster
and the > List in my replies for the simple reason that the List is frequently
a bit > lackadaisical about posting replies, so the direct can arrive MUCH
sooner > than the reply on List. Sometimes it is nice to get a response to a
question > in a timely manner. I am sure we have all seen situations where we
receive > someone's reply to a post a day before we see the original question,
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 26 20:35:57 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:35:57 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <4905036D.9070305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNGECPEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<There is a clear spot in the headlight silver where the bulb shines
through.>>

Want some new ones, Frank<G>??

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 20:08:38 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:08:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Stripes
Message-ID: <718982.55368.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Spridgeteers -
Last night I asked for suggestions on stripe widths and spacing (and pictures)
as I'm planning to stripe my OEW '71 Midget.  So far, I've gotten some great
suggestions and some really cool pictures.  Please continue with the replies. 
Off line is probably better than list as you can email me direct and attach
images.  If nothing else, I'm getting some really cool additions for my
collection of Spridget pics! 
 
Thanks for the help so far - if anybody else has images of striped Spridgets,
please send them on - even if it's not your own car.  I can probably figure
out the dimensions by comparing to my car if need be.
 
David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From derf247 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 20:13:04 2008
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:13:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Stripes
In-Reply-To: <718982.55368.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <718982.55368.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910810262013q1acd596bvceee1cff54acc544@mail.gmail.com>

Be sure to taper them if you do rally stripes.
http://www.miataturbo.net/forum/signaturepics/sigpic3407_1.gif



On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:08 PM, David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Spridgeteers -
> Last night I asked for suggestions on stripe widths and spacing (and pictures)
> as I'm planning to stripe my OEW '71 Midget.  So far, I've gotten some great
> suggestions and some really cool pictures.  Please continue with the replies.
> Off line is probably better than list as you can email me direct and attach
> images.  If nothing else, I'm getting some really cool additions for my
> collection of Spridget pics!
>
> Thanks for the help so far - if anybody else has images of striped Spridgets,
> please send them on - even if it's not your own car.  I can probably figure
> out the dimensions by comparing to my car if need be.
>
> David Booker
> '71 Midget
> Long Island
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 20:18:48 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Stripes
In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910810262013q1acd596bvceee1cff54acc544@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <364692.64111.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/26/08, derf <derf247 at gmail.com> wrote: "Be sure to taper them
if you do rally stripes."


I was wondering about that.  I played around with "paint" - that image program
that comes with your PC - and ended up tapering the stripes on the hood in
order to make it look right.  Wasn't sure if it was an optical illusion or
reality.  I know that I had to taper the rally stripes on my '67 Mustang years
ago in order to make the "look" straight...  Was really hoping straight ones
would do as they're so much easier to create.
 - David

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Sun Oct 26 21:57:03 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:57:03 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
Message-ID: <49054A1F.8030703@wi.net>

Hey they keep the feral cat population down in my 'hood!  Trouble is the 
wild turkeys run off the coyotes.  We had 22 turkeys in our 
backyard...maybe that's the pestilence...and I even went to church!  
Thanksgiving is coming....hehe.
Dave
Burlington WI


Larry Daniels wrote:
> Peter C.,
>
> I read in the paper this morning that Poynette is being overrun by coyotes.
> They said that pets were disappearing.

From bogodwin at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 23:36:42 2008
From: bogodwin at bellsouth.net (Bobby Godwin)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:36:42 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <C529EA34.1A74D%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <LDEDLPPKNKAGKNFICGALGEDBEHAA.bogodwin@bellsouth.net>

My bugeye (1959/60) had bulbs.
					Bobby Godwin

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Billy Zoom
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:35 PM
To: Weslake1330 at aol.com; spritenut at comcast.net; rrengineer at dslextreme.com
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin

Non-sealed beam headlights were illegal in the US from the late thirties to
the early eighties. I don't think any new Sprites could have been sold here
with bulbs. Ford finally proved to our government that they could get better
gas mileage by using halogen bulbs. That's why a lot of our imports had
uglier front ends than their European counterparts.
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From derf247 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 00:09:58 2008
From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:09:58 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Stripes
In-Reply-To: <364692.64111.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <5f00d9910810262013q1acd596bvceee1cff54acc544@mail.gmail.com>
	<364692.64111.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5f00d9910810270009m38a3aee2h9317f4147fbc3be9@mail.gmail.com>

My stripes look good.  We just laid them out straight and then
eyeballed a bit of taper, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 inch.  My buddy runs a body
shop so things like stripes and pinstripes that would be hard for you
and me are easy to him.
You can get 3M decal stripes, but they are straight.

From peter at nosimport.com  Mon Oct 27 06:55:04 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
Message-ID: <200810270555973.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

They didn't mention the wolves or bears, did they?

I went walking in the woods a few nights ago, chasing a "noise".. and 
odd barking sound. Thought maybe a farmer's dog had gotten in a 'rat 
trap or something.  It stopped as I got closer. I didn't have a 
flashlight (torch) so I don't know what it was. Probably a coyote.

The "pestilence" is these effing IMPORTED CHINESE soy effing beetles. 
I think I'd rather have locusts!

Peter C.
================

At 08:22 PM 10/26/2008, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Peter C.,
>
>I read in the paper this morning that Poynette is being overrun by coyotes.
>They said that pets were disappearing.
>
>Hmmm,  floods this past summer; coyotes now; I suppose pestilence is next?
>Stop your sinful ways before it's too late!!
>
>LAD

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 27 08:15:27 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:15:27 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
References: <LDEDLPPKNKAGKNFICGALGEDBEHAA.bogodwin@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <C33D1620F4144A1E87D05D891A6EF5F5@NilesAD.von.gov>

Back to the subject line, I have a friend here in Palatine with a Bugeye who 
assures me that his father in North Carolina has Bugeye #8 or 14 or so. Yes, 
there are at least three Bugeyes in Palatine, IL... dunno why.
David Lieb 

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 09:00:42 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:00:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
Message-ID: <4905E5AA.1010202@gmail.com>

We have coyotes where I live.  The only outdoor cats on my block are 20
pounds or greater.  There is four 20 pound outdoor cats in a 7 house
radius.  Anything smaller was "disappeared" years ago.  There are some
black bear also and every once in a while there is a report of a cougar. 

-g

Larry Daniels wrote:
> Peter C.,
>
> I read in the paper this morning that Poynette is being overrun by coyotes.
> They said that pets were disappearing.
>
> Hmmm,  floods this past summer; coyotes now; I suppose pestilence is next?
> Stop your sinful ways before it's too late!!
>
> LAD
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 27 09:33:35 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:33:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
	<4905E5AA.1010202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88A6D128EB124451BD6822C8991EFCEB@NilesAD.von.gov>

> We have coyotes where I live.  The only outdoor cats on my block are 20
> pounds or greater.  There is four 20 pound outdoor cats in a 7 house
> radius.  Anything smaller was "disappeared" years ago.  There are some
> black bear also and every once in a while there is a report of a cougar.

And we have them by my house, too, here in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. 
My outside cat is only about 18 pounds, but there is not an ounce of fat in 
there. He is running on four bald tires (WE didn't want an outside cat), but 
the dogs in the neighborhood pull their owners to the other side of the 
street as they come by our house. He has been getting away with it for ten 
years now, so I guess he has reached an understanding with the coyotes as 
well as the skunks.
David Lieb 

From John.Deikis at va.gov  Mon Oct 27 09:43:00 2008
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Wheels needed
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9404247474@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

I'm looking for a set of wheels to run my rain tires on.  The DCO (dumb
current owner) has been using alloy wheel lug nuts on Rostyles and
wallowed out the stud holes. Anybody have anything extra laying around?

I have a lead on some 6-inch wide steel wheels.  Anyone know off hand if
175-70-13's will stay on a wider wheel without problems?

-JohnD

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct 27 09:48:56 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:48:56 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <4905E5AA.1010202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F363E7930BFA2B82990099EB8240@phx.gbl>

Cougars?  We have those here too.  I'm not in much danger anymore.

http://www.chez106.com/mediaplayer/mediaplayer_jeff.jsp
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----Original Message Follows----
From: "William M. Gilroy" <wmgilroy at gmail.com>

every once in a while there is a report of a cougar.

-g

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Mon Oct 27 09:53:41 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:53:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Wheels needed
References: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9404247474@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
Message-ID: <2EE450681B7F48FEAA6E6FB77D13F39C@NilesAD.von.gov>

Depends on the tires. I must confess that my 6" steel Vega GT rims have not 
been used for a 175-70-13 tire (I use them for 185-60-13 SRF tires). 
www.tirerack.com will allow you to look up the tire by size and will show 
you the recommended rim widths for that size of that tire under Specs. For 
the Sumitomo HTR200 in that size, they show a Rim Width Range of 4.5"-6", so 
you should be ok with that one. Most of the others they show are similar, 
although the Kumho 722 seems to want a 5" rim only.
David Lieb
1972 1960 1974 1973

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Mon Oct 27 10:30:40 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:30:40 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
Message-ID: <c2a.3b9ca759.363754c0@aol.com>

UK mid to late 1970s - BMC/British Leyland.  But Frank do they dip  left or 
do they dip right?
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
 
In a message dated 26/10/2008 23:54:20 GMT Standard Time,  
spritenut at comcast.net writes:

But the  headlamps in question were sealed beams.
I have a set of sealed beam  headlights where a small dash light bulb 
goes into a socket that clips to  the bulb.
There is a clear spot in the headlight silver where the bulb  shines through.

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 27 11:55:39 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:55:39 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Lowest Sprite Vin
In-Reply-To: <c2a.3b9ca759.363754c0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEENEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<UK mid to late 1970s - BMC/British Leyland.  But Frank do they dip  left
or do they dip right?>>

Daniel, above is EXACTLY the reason I said that the List needed your
comments in the first place !!  LOL

"Should" be left-dipping for you Brits (and other wrong-side-of-the-road
driving nations) and right-dip for us and the rest of the 'smart' world<VBG>
AND are available even today in either spec.
Although sorta platinum plated & I seriously doubt 95% of Spridgeteers
would even spring for one<VBG>!!

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 27 11:59:05 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:59:05 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <88A6D128EB124451BD6822C8991EFCEB@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNIEEOEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<so I guess he has reached an understanding with the coyotes as 
well as the skunks.>>

Musta been him that chased the one cougar down and into the Loop
earlier this summer, David<G>!!

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Mon Oct 27 11:14:25 2008
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:14:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
Message-ID: <799knl$4t3s1s@email.mtu.edu>

>I read in the paper this morning that Poynette is being overrun by coyotes.
>They said that pets were disappearing.


I have heard of people talking about "The wolf at the door" during 
hard economic times. Is this anything like that?


Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 12:34:16 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <88A6D128EB124451BD6822C8991EFCEB@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
	<4905E5AA.1010202@gmail.com>
	<88A6D128EB124451BD6822C8991EFCEB@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810271234s2c2a94a8t2b0a1b41b761acf6@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:33 AM, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>wrote:

> And we have them by my house, too, here in the northwest suburbs of
> Chicago.<snip>


Actually, I'm not terribly surprised by this.  In 1964, I shot a coyote
while hunting in upstate NY of all places!  When there is drought in the
west, the coyotes migrate eastward to find food.

Obligatory LBC content:  Has anyone thought of coyote seat covers for their
Spridget?

Cheers!!
Jim

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Mon Oct 27 12:47:44 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:47:44 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
Message-ID: <SUWCL26MG08bi0yGliT000ff905@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>

No Jim, but at about 3:30 this morning, a certain cat named Fidget was very
close to becoming leather ;)

Drew


Obligatory LBC content:  Has anyone thought of coyote seat covers for their
Spridget?

Cheers!!
Jim

From mdrowe at optonline.net  Mon Oct 27 13:23:34 2008
From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Poetic Justice
Message-ID: <918AC08A2DCC4188BBE1CE84B5A258AD@Home>

One of the water maggots that roars by 30' off our bulkhead sounding like a Bugeye with a straight-through muffler ran out of gas in front of our  house an hour ago.  I would have offered anyone else a tow.  This guy I watched as the wind blew him very far across the bay.  Sometimes the gods smile on us, even when we have no clutch.

Michael Rowe
'74 Midget
Long Island, NY

From Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com  Mon Oct 27 13:23:59 2008
From: Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com (EXT-Love, Charles M)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:23:59 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Coldest temp to paint?
Message-ID: <014201c93871$f1c96f60$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>

What is the coldest air temperature you can have to paint you car and get a
good paint job?

Who is the recommended source for Dual Brake Master Cylinder rebuild?

Thanks,

Monty Love 
1973 Midget in Pieces, ready for paint...
Huntsville, Alabama

The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They
happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there.

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 13:26:37 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:26:37 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Coldest temp to paint?
In-Reply-To: <014201c93871$f1c96f60$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>
References: <014201c93871$f1c96f60$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>
Message-ID: <441250190810271326we425c40k4d068fcc40f2d265@mail.gmail.com>

50F is most likely the lowest.  There should be a temp. range on the product
data sheet.  As the temps change you need to use a different reducer.   The
product data sheet is what you should follow.

-g



On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:23 PM, EXT-Love, Charles M <
Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com> wrote:

> What is the coldest air temperature you can have to paint you car and get a
> good paint job?
>
> Who is the recommended source for Dual Brake Master Cylinder rebuild?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Monty Love
> 1973 Midget in Pieces, ready for paint...
> Huntsville, Alabama
>
> The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They
> happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there.
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Mon Oct 27 13:27:41 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:27:41 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Poetic Justice
In-Reply-To: <918AC08A2DCC4188BBE1CE84B5A258AD@Home>
References: <918AC08A2DCC4188BBE1CE84B5A258AD@Home>
Message-ID: <4905C1CD.12907.14A53EF@kk7ss.verizon.net>

I love it, ain't life grand.... <BFG>

On 27 Oct 2008 at 16:23, Michael Rowe wrote:

>>  This guy I watched as the
>> wind blew him very far across the bay.  Sometimes the gods smile on
>> us, even when we have no clutch.
--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From peter at nosimport.com  Mon Oct 27 13:29:00 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:29:00 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Humpty Dumpty, Holy Sprite, No LBC
In-Reply-To: <SUWCL26MG08XauXYvPl000f3d99@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.ne
  t>
References: <SUWCL26MG08XauXYvPl000f3d99@smtpoutcl26.wirelesssyncvzw.net>
Message-ID: <200810271229942.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

Andrew,
         LBC= Little British Cars.... silly name, but oft used.
                 No LBC.... deletable if you are single-minded

         Paint stripper....  VERY cool info at the Samba forum.... 
very good people who have VWs
    Click on the link below.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167756&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

The product is Dawn Power Dissolver, but read the link... well done. 
Send her something, like everyone else has in the past 2 years.

Peter C
=================
At 08:46 AM 10/26/2008, Andrew Payne wrote:
>I would like to thank everyone for the responces to my Humpty thread, I got a
>lot of good advice. I also got a lot of parts offers, unfortatey, most were
>wrong body type.  Still, what a great community!  I do have two follow ups. I
>did not get any replies about chemical paint strippers.  Sanding would be
>nice, but I have no good way to control the dust, and my compressor will not
>supply enough air to power a sander for that kind of use.  Also, When it comes
>to panels, VB is cheaper than Moss, are the parts as good?  Anybody have good
>or bad experiences with fit or quality?
>
>As to Holy Sprite, I know a lot of people are getting together and fixing a
>Spite. It also sonds like someone is really happy about it.  And someone else
>has a very understanding wife, who feeds everyone.  Can someone give me, and
>other newbies, the Cliff Notes so that I can follow this?
>
>What's an LBC and why is it such a big deal when there's no LBC?
>
>Drew

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 13:35:47 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:35:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Poetic Justice
In-Reply-To: <918AC08A2DCC4188BBE1CE84B5A258AD@Home>
References: <918AC08A2DCC4188BBE1CE84B5A258AD@Home>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810271335q3be60669x9442f290242b7c5f@mail.gmail.com>

Didja go out and wave "bye bye" to him, as he drifted away??

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Michael Rowe <mdrowe at optonline.net> wrote:

> One of the water maggots that roars by 30' off our bulkhead sounding like a
> Bugeye with a straight-through muffler ran out of gas in front of our  house
> an hour ago.  I would have offered anyone else a tow.  This guy I watched as
> the wind blew him very far across the bay.  Sometimes the gods smile on us,
> even when we have no clutch.
>
> Michael Rowe
> '74 Midget
> Long Island, NY
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From spritenut at comcast.net  Mon Oct 27 13:50:56 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:50:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Coldest temp to paint?
In-Reply-To: <014201c93871$f1c96f60$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>
References: <014201c93871$f1c96f60$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com>
Message-ID: <490629B0.4020201@comcast.net>

EXT-Love, Charles M wrote:
> What is the coldest air temperature you can have to paint you car and get a
> good paint job?
>
>
>   
We did the Holy Sprite last week, about 50* or so and it took longer to 
flash between coats.
I would not paint with it any colder than 50 degrees.
Even if you heat the garage, the metal on the car is still cold and the 
garage has to stay heated for a few hours after paint and you need NO 
FLAME heat when you paint a car.


-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From cmlove at knology.net  Mon Oct 27 15:28:05 2008
From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:28:05 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Master cylinder rebuild?
Message-ID: <1225146485.8426.2.camel@linux4monty>

Does anyone know who could rebuild a dual Master Brake Cylinder?

Thanks,

Monty Love
Huntsville, AL.

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 15:29:31 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:29:31 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Master cylinder rebuild?
In-Reply-To: <1225146485.8426.2.camel@linux4monty>
References: <1225146485.8426.2.camel@linux4monty>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810271529n63dceb51nc45e138cefc871ef@mail.gmail.com>

I had White Post Restorations do my clutch master, I know that they do brake
masters as well. There is an outfit in Cali that does it also, but he had a
5 week turnaround, last time I spoke with him.

Brad

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Monty Love <cmlove at knology.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know who could rebuild a dual Master Brake Cylinder?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Monty Love
> Huntsville, AL.
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From pythias at pacifier.com  Mon Oct 27 16:15:03 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:15:03 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Master cylinder rebuild?
In-Reply-To: <1225146485.8426.2.camel@linux4monty>
References: <1225146485.8426.2.camel@linux4monty>
Message-ID: <1799762525.20081027161503@pacifier.com>

Hello Monty,

     the resident expert

     http://www.gerardsgarage.com

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
   "This country will no longer have an official religion," King Tom decreed.

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 27 18:28:49 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:28:49 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Master cylinder rebuild?
In-Reply-To: <1799762525.20081027161503@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNIEGIEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<the resident expert>>

Monty, What Bill L. said !!	PERIOD !!

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 17:51:40 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Brake Master cylinder rebuild?
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810271529n63dceb51nc45e138cefc871ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19372.68307.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com> wrote: ..."but he
had a
5 week turnaround, last time I spoke with him."
 
...Probably because it takes around 4 weeks to get the stupid little circlip
out of the end of the cylinder, then 20 minutes to hone, clean and reassemble,
then a couple days each way for mail.  (I gave up and bought a new one) 
Anybody want a great deal on a rebuildable Brake Master Cylinder and a rebuild
kit?
 
David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Mon Oct 27 18:42:00 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:42:00 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
Message-ID: <102820080142.2842.49066DE80006E76100000B1A22155517249B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

lions, check
bears, check
tigers,?????!!!!(or do 20lb cats count?, check?)
ryan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "William M. Gilroy" <wmgilroy at gmail.com> 

> We have coyotes where I live. The only outdoor cats on my block are 20 
> pounds or greater. There is four 20 pound outdoor cats in a 7 house 
> radius. Anything smaller was "disappeared" years ago. There are some 
> black bear also and every once in a while there is a report of a cougar. 
> 
> -g 
> 
> Larry Daniels wrote: 
> > Peter C., 
> > 
> > I read in the paper this morning that Poynette is being overrun by coyotes. 
> > They said that pets were disappearing. 
> > 
> > Hmmm, floods this past summer; coyotes now; I suppose pestilence is next? 
> > Stop your sinful ways before it's too late!! 
> > 
> > LAD 
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From bkitterer at mac.com  Mon Oct 27 18:43:17 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810271234s2c2a94a8t2b0a1b41b761acf6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
	<4905E5AA.1010202@gmail.com>
	<88A6D128EB124451BD6822C8991EFCEB@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<43840a7e0810271234s2c2a94a8t2b0a1b41b761acf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2B0B2DF-132D-45D4-A003-9E5C2A869DAC@mac.com>

There is a coyote that walks the edge of my yard most mornings and a  
number of them serenade me in the evening.

Had a road runner just stroll by me and a friend while we were  
talking in the driveway.  It just ignored us but I never realized  
what great colors they have.

North San Diego County

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 18:48:50 2008
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:48:50 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <E2B0B2DF-132D-45D4-A003-9E5C2A869DAC@mac.com>
References: <36085D9EB1374DA8A2B55293213F833B@Larry>
	<4905E5AA.1010202@gmail.com>
	<88A6D128EB124451BD6822C8991EFCEB@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<43840a7e0810271234s2c2a94a8t2b0a1b41b761acf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2B0B2DF-132D-45D4-A003-9E5C2A869DAC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <abb8688a0810271848r25f6431h8c318ab8cbf33602@mail.gmail.com>

We have Coyote here in Iowa too.  But we must have the laziest variety
ever to walk the earth.  They seem content to feast on road kill and
trash, as we have a very healthy population of farm cats (all well
below the 15 pound weight class) raccoons, possum, skunks, gophers,
moles, field mice, etc, etc, etc.  I think cats figured out a couple
thousand years ago that it is easier to mooch off the humans than
hunt.  Dogs seem to have more of a work ethic, but eventually even the
wild ones are giving in to living off the leavings.


On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Kitterer Bob <bkitterer at mac.com> wrote:
> There is a coyote that walks the edge of my yard most mornings and a
> number of them serenade me in the evening.
>
> Had a road runner just stroll by me and a friend while we were
> talking in the driveway.  It just ignored us but I never realized
> what great colors they have.
>
> North San Diego County
>
> Bob Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2000 Miata Special Edition
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From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 18:52:50 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:52:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <E2B0B2DF-132D-45D4-A003-9E5C2A869DAC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <393996.73627.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Kitterer Bob <bkitterer at mac.com> wrote: "There is a
coyote that walks the edge of my yard most mornings and a  number of them
serenade me in the evening...Had a road runner just stroll by me...
Did any of the coyotes have a box with the letters "ACME" stenciled on top?
(beep-beep)
 - David

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 19:14:25 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:14:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] stripes again.
Message-ID: <342426.31417.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am truly blown away by the photos you guys are sending me.  Unfortunately,
it's having the opposite effect of what I wanted.  Now I know there are SO
many cool ways to stripe a square body (and quite a few great ways for Bugeyes
too - maybe someday...) that I'm more undecided than before.  Not that I'm
complaining.  This is a fantastic group that I really enjoy taking part in. 
Thanks for all the help so far and keep those stripe suggestions coming if you
want.  I actually have a really good idea now, and am about to start mocking
up with a big roll of paper I'm going to "borrow" from my son's room. 
I promise Kyle, I won't use that much...
 
 - David Booker
Soon to be striped '71 Midget
Long Island

From racerbob70 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 19:43:40 2008
From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <E2B0B2DF-132D-45D4-A003-9E5C2A869DAC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <663024.95119.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Let's see, road runners and coyotes, sure you aren't in cartoon?????

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Kitterer Bob <bkitterer at mac.com> wrote:

From: Kitterer Bob <bkitterer at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
To: "Spridget List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 9:43 PM

There is a coyote that walks the edge of my yard most mornings and a  
number of them serenade me in the evening.

Had a road runner just stroll by me and a friend while we were  
talking in the driveway.  

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 19:47:08 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:47:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <102820080142.2842.49066DE80006E76100000B1A22155517249B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
References: <102820080142.2842.49066DE80006E76100000B1A22155517249B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
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I live on  a mountain between Cougar Mountain. and Tiger Mountain. 
Never saw a tiger yet.  I did hear something one night when I was
walking my dog at about 1AM.  It is very dark so I could not see it.  I
start to move close so I can see what the hell is making one loud, scary
noise.  I asked my wife what she thought and I got no answer.  I turn
around to ask again and I see her about 1 block away running full
speed.  She never hesitated and never gave me a heads up that she was
out of there.  At that point the noise was getting really loud and I
decide to follow my wifes queue.  I have never heard anything like that
before or since.

-g


ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net wrote:
> lions, check
> bears, check
> tigers,?????!!!!(or do 20lb cats count?, check?)
> ryan
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "William M. Gilroy" <wmgilroy at gmail.com> 
>
>   
>> We have coyotes where I live. The only outdoor cats on my block are 20 
>> pounds or greater. There is four 20 pound outdoor cats in a 7 house 
>> radius. Anything smaller was "disappeared" years ago. There are some 
>> black bear also and every once in a while there is a report of a cougar. 
>>
>> -g 
>>
>> Larry Daniels wrote: 
>>     
>>> Peter C., 
>>>
>>> I read in the paper this morning that Poynette is being overrun by coyotes. 
>>> They said that pets were disappearing. 
>>>
>>> Hmmm, floods this past summer; coyotes now; I suppose pestilence is next? 
>>> Stop your sinful ways before it's too late!! 
>>>
>>> LAD 
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From racerbob70 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 19:55:08 2008
From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <49067D2C.3060703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519436.53297.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 
  Well I live about 45 miles south from downtown Atlanta and so far this year
there have been 22 bobcats captured here in our county, some coyote
sightings and we  also have a pair of nesting bald eagles.  Who would have
guessed!!!

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Oct 27 21:00:14 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:00:14 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <663024.95119.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNIEHAEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Let's see, road runners and coyotes, sure you aren't in cartoon?????>>

And your point (about the List) might be, Bob..................????

LOL (and it's not EVEN November yet!!!)

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 20:02:56 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Late Show TV "X"tra (LBC owner content)
Message-ID: <291985.64690.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The e'er modest Zoom would never want me to post this but tune in to CBS' "Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson" Tuesday night (tonight or tomorrow depending on when you read this - 10/28) to see a Spridget owner working his day job as a guitar player with the incomparable X.

Ron

From soavero at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 20:11:47 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...
Message-ID: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Being one to generally put his money where the statistics are, it's seemed lately that  stock market will never recover from its recent plunge. 2 months ago, according to my log, I paid $4.69 for a gallon of gas.  I just put some fuel in the Sprite tonight, same station, $2.26 per gallon. I would never have thought it would be so cheap again. Of course, I'm losing hope for a resurgence of micro cars, but maybe the general populace has a longer memory than I give credit for.

Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 21:05:23 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:05:23 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <49067D2C.3060703@gmail.com>
References: <102820080142.2842.49066DE80006E76100000B1A22155517249B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
	<49067D2C.3060703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810272105x784d5057nd6e6d3113fe18e24@mail.gmail.com>

Its a Yeti, Bill!!  Got to be!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:47 PM, William M. Gilroy <wmgilroy at gmail.com>wrote:

> I live on  a mountain between Cougar Mountain. and Tiger Mountain.
> Never saw a tiger yet.  I did hear something one night when I was
> walking my dog at about 1AM.  It is very dark so I could not see it.  I
> start to move close so I can see what the hell is making one loud, scary
> noise.  I asked my wife what she thought and I got no answer.  I turn
> around to ask again and I see her about 1 block away running full
> speed.  She never hesitated and never gave me a heads up that she was
> out of there.  At that point the noise was getting really loud and I
> decide to follow my wifes queue.  I have never heard anything like that
> before or since.

From bkitterer at mac.com  Mon Oct 27 23:00:42 2008
From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:00:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
In-Reply-To: <393996.73627.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <393996.73627.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29290F7B-D34C-4DB2-837E-390C85F31802@mac.com>

There are times that certainly seem like a cartoon - - like when I  
get to the top of the hill and remember something that I was suppose  
to bring with me and have to go back  for it- - - - - - - - - - two  
or three times in  a row !!

ain't old age wonderful :-)

Bob Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2000 Miata Special Edition




On Oct 27, 2008, at 6:52 PM, David Booker wrote:

> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Kitterer Bob <bkitterer at mac.com> wrote:  
> "There is a coyote that walks the edge of my yard most mornings and  
> a  number of them serenade me in the evening...Had a road runner  
> just stroll by me...
> Did any of the coyotes have a box with the letters "ACME" stenciled  
> on top? (beep-beep)
>  - David

From peter at nosimport.com  Tue Oct 28 07:02:43 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:02:43 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
In-Reply-To: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad
	.ge.com>
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Message-ID: <200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you 
on the highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar 
by the neck.... nothing else around.


Peter C

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 28 07:06:10 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:06:10 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
References: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <AA88DCE397EF4F69B5275F500FCDA7D6@Larry>

Decaf, Peter, try the decaf.



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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...


... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you 
on the highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar 
by the neck.... nothing else around.


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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Tue Oct 28 07:12:41 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
References: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <A9E2C3C57A5142A797F477E754ACC5C6@NilesAD.von.gov>

Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
> ... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you 
> on the highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar 
> by the neck.... nothing else around.

It means you live in Wisconsin.
ED

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Tue Oct 28 08:39:35 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:39:35 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
In-Reply-To: <A9E2C3C57A5142A797F477E754ACC5C6@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
	<A9E2C3C57A5142A797F477E754ACC5C6@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <49073237.8010005@wi.net>

Actually David, MADISON, during Halloween week!  The skeleton will get 
to State St. by tonight.  But, heck State St. is weird everyday.

Dave
59 :{) (spent a lot of time on State St. a long long time ago.)

P.S.:  Terri and I will be leaving for O.S.H.I.T. East on the 4th right 
after we vote(please don't anyone start a political discussion).
I will have my cell phone and if you need assistance give me a call.



David Lieb wrote:
> Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
>> ... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you 
>> on the highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar 
>> by the neck.... nothing else around.
>
> It means you live in Wisconsin.
> ED

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 09:33:09 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:33:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
In-Reply-To: <200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
References: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> ... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you on the
> highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar by the
> neck.... nothing else around.


It's God's way of telling you to decrease the dosage, Peter.

Cheers!!
Jim

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 28 09:42:20 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:42:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
References: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad.ge.com><200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com><A9E2C3C57A5142A797F477E754ACC5C6@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<49073237.8010005@wi.net>
Message-ID: <6374042EA89F4901B1F2B84BA06518AE@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Woerpel" <dwoerpel at wi.net>
To: "SPRIDGETS" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...


Actually David, MADISON, during Halloween week!  The skeleton will get
to State St. by tonight.  But, heck State St. is weird everyday.

Dave
59 :{) (spent a lot of time on State St. a long long time ago.)

======================

You're getting old, Dave.  State St. is the best part of Madison.  Of 
course, I'm getting too old to stay up until when it really gets going.

LAD 

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 28 11:33:48 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:33:48 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
Message-ID: <c00.47ba9db8.3638b50c@aol.com>

I don't think we even have them in the zoos though I have seen meercats at  
the zoo.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 28/10/2008 01:53:12 GMT Standard Time,  
tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes:

coyotes

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Tue Oct 28 11:35:18 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:35:18 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
Message-ID: <d1e.37123232.3638b566@aol.com>

A Tougar?
 
In a message dated 28/10/2008 02:47:46 GMT Standard Time,  wmgilroy at gmail.com 
writes:

I live  on  a mountain between Cougar Mountain. and Tiger Mountain. 
Never saw  a tiger yet.  I did hear something one night when 

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Tue Oct 28 09:35:52 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:35:52 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
In-Reply-To: <200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <C52C8D78.1A7E6%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> ... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you
> on the highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar
> by the neck.... nothing else around.
What kind of guitar?

From rbastedo at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 12:16:39 2008
From: rbastedo at gmail.com (Rick Bastedo)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:16:39 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
Message-ID: <fbc9308f0810281216l4c3648ddte900eeb361bdb5ae@mail.gmail.com>

I live just up the road from Cougar Mtn & Tiger Mtn.
I've had Coyote in my back yard, there are Cougar, elk, deer, bear and
assorted other species around here.
Your story about your wife reminds me of this:
There's a saying that folks up in the Alaskan fishing camps repeat:
Use the buddy system when you go out fishing, just make sure you can run
faster than your buddy.



_______________________________________
From: "William M. Gilroy" <wmgilroy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No LBC; Coyotes in PPP's Backyard
To: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net
Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <49067D2C.3060703 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I live on  a mountain between Cougar Mountain. and Tiger Mountain.
Never saw a tiger yet.  I did hear something one night when I was
walking my dog at about 1AM.  It is very dark so I could not see it.  I
start to move close so I can see what the hell is making one loud, scary
noise.  I asked my wife what she thought and I got no answer.  I turn
around to ask again and I see her about 1 block away running full
speed.  She never hesitated and never gave me a heads up that she was
out of there.  At that point the noise was getting really loud and I
decide to follow my wifes queue.  I have never heard anything like that
before or since.

-g
_______________________________________

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Tue Oct 28 12:28:48 2008
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:28:48 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
In-Reply-To: <C52C8D78.1A7E6%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
	<C52C8D78.1A7E6%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c93933$69dbd620$3d938260$@com>

Probably some crappy ol' Gretsch...

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Billy Zoom
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:36 AM
To: Peter Caldwell; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...

> ... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you
> on the highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar
> by the neck.... nothing else around.
What kind of guitar?

From millerls at ado13.com  Tue Oct 28 16:15:28 2008
From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
References: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad.ge.com><200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
	<43840a7e0810280933w1847ed0dg2b30c9119f75e8bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FF612DC92C74BF38F11477D4D57A71E@HP>

> It's God's way of telling you to decrease the dosage, Peter.
> 
or increase the dosage.

Larry Miller

From hammack at GotSlack.org  Tue Oct 28 16:43:05 2008
From: hammack at GotSlack.org (Jim Hammack)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1275cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <4904EF28.8090903@GotSlack.org>
References: <87a1f55d0810241032w2e91ab15keb09cb5790d0a93b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4904EA85.3060405@GotSlack.org> <4904EF28.8090903@GotSlack.org>
Message-ID: <4907A389.2030005@GotSlack.org>

   Ed  pointed  out  that  I  didn't  let  everyone know where the car is
   located.   I'm in south Mississippi, half-way between New Orleans, LA,
   and  Mobile,  AL,  south of I-10.  Pretty much where Hurricane Katrina
   hit  the  Mississippi  coast  - thus the lack of work on the car since
   2005.  ;-)
   Jim Hammack wrote:

     Doh!  that should be:
     http://www.gotslack.org/hammack/midget
     Jim Hammack wrote:

        Matt,
           I  have a running stock 1275 with working tranny, attached to
     a '67
        Midget:
        http://www.gotslack.org/midget/
            The  engine was rebuilt about five years ago and driven very
     little
         since.    The   car   was  running  well  in 2005, but has been
     neglected
         since.   There is more rust now than shown in the pictures, and
     damage
         to  the  top from a small tree falling on the car.  I'll try to
     get some
        updated pictures on the site.
             I don't have time (or money) to work on the Midget anymore,
     so the
         whole   thing   is  for  sale.  I'd be willing to sell only the
     engine and
         transmission  if  you're  interested.  I have no idea what it's
     worth,
        though.
                                                                     Jim
        Matt Hagopian wrote:
     Hey everyone!
     I  am  looking  for  a  1275cc  motor,  Stock  motor or if there is
     something done
     to it, that would be wonderful too!
     Looking for a complete motor, block, head the whole 9.
     If  there  is  a tranny attached thats ok too (but not required) If
     its a 5sp
     that would be wonderful!
     Let me know if anyone knows of any.
     thanks!
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From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Oct 28 21:09:53 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:09:53 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
In-Reply-To: <000a01c93933$69dbd620$3d938260$@com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKELKEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Flounder???

<<Probably some crappy ol' Gretsch...>>

Wouldn't it be a Zoom 'new' Gretsch ?????

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 20:27:36 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2>

Will find out in 2010 when GM cancels the Volt....IF GM is still around by then.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
I'm losing hope for a resurgence of micro cars, but maybe the general populace has a longer memory than I give credit for.
> 
> Ron

From retroagogo at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 20:32:51 2008
From: retroagogo at comcast.net (retroagogo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:32:51 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?
Message-ID: <102920080332.7891.4907D9630007C0C300001ED322007614380A9B9B0A0404079A019D0DD203@comcast.net>

Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?

Website domain name MYBUGEYE.COM just came up on ebay.  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260307529044

From mhagopian at hoppetool.com  Tue Oct 28 21:20:33 2008
From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:20:33 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 1275cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <4907A389.2030005@GotSlack.org>
References: <87a1f55d0810241032w2e91ab15keb09cb5790d0a93b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4904EA85.3060405@GotSlack.org> <4904EF28.8090903@GotSlack.org>
	<4907A389.2030005@GotSlack.org>
Message-ID: <87a1f55d0810282120w2f35378dkdc380a3a6839e836@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the offers guys, Brent was nice enough to give me a 1275
motor! wait until its finished!

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Jim Hammack <hammack at gotslack.org> wrote:

>   Ed  pointed  out  that  I  didn't  let  everyone know where the car is
>   located.   I'm in south Mississippi, half-way between New Orleans, LA,
>   and  Mobile,  AL,  south of I-10.  Pretty much where Hurricane Katrina
>   hit  the  Mississippi  coast  - thus the lack of work on the car since
>   2005.  ;-)
>    Jim Hammack wrote:
>
>     Doh!  that should be:
>     http://www.gotslack.org/hammack/midget
>     Jim Hammack wrote:
>
>        Matt,
>           I  have a running stock 1275 with working tranny, attached to
>     a '67
>        Midget:
>        http://www.gotslack.org/midget/
>            The  engine was rebuilt about five years ago and driven very
>     little
>         since.    The   car   was  running  well  in 2005, but has been
>     neglected
>         since.   There is more rust now than shown in the pictures, and
>     damage
>         to  the  top from a small tree falling on the car.  I'll try to
>     get some
>        updated pictures on the site.
>             I don't have time (or money) to work on the Midget anymore,
>     so the
>         whole   thing   is  for  sale.  I'd be willing to sell only the
>     engine and
>         transmission  if  you're  interested.  I have no idea what it's
>     worth,
>        though.
>                                                                     Jim
>        Matt Hagopian wrote:
>     Hey everyone!
>     I  am  looking  for  a  1275cc  motor,  Stock  motor or if there is
>     something done
>     to it, that would be wonderful too!
>     Looking for a complete motor, block, head the whole 9.
>     If  there  is  a tranny attached thats ok too (but not required) If
>     its a 5sp
>     that would be wonderful!
>     Let me know if anyone knows of any.
>     thanks!
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From dwoerpel at wi.net  Tue Oct 28 22:24:47 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Where's Spritenut?
Message-ID: <4907F39F.3000400@wi.net>

Hey Frank!  You out there?  My emails to you keep bouncing back.  Is 
there some Italian password I need to know?  Maybe I'm not ending the 
address inna vowel.  (boy, that oughta open the floodgates) ;-)

Dave
Burlington WI

From redmidget72 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 08:04:49 2008
From: redmidget72 at yahoo.com (Red Midget)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?
In-Reply-To: <102920080332.7891.4907D9630007C0C300001ED322007614380A9B9B0A0404079A019D0DD203@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <499800.41506.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Uhhh, http://www.mybugeye.com seems to be owened already by the Austin Healy
Club of America.
 
http://www.ahca-northeast.com/

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, retroagogo at comcast.net <retroagogo at comcast.net> wrote:

From: retroagogo at comcast.net <retroagogo at comcast.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:32 PM

Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?

Website domain name MYBUGEYE.COM just came up on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260307529044
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 29 08:04:22 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Shirt
Message-ID: <579C665EF584431B98890D9ADE046A01@Larry>

I received my Spridget shirt from Mike yesterday.  Hey, that's a nice shirt.
Good, quality material and nicely cut.

Thanks, Mike!


LAD

From retroagogo at comcast.net  Wed Oct 29 08:12:01 2008
From: retroagogo at comcast.net (retroagogo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:12:01 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?
Message-ID: <102920081512.18151.49087D41000A68DF000046E722007507440A9B9B0A0404079A019D0DD203@comcast.net>

  No, I own it, but I just temporarily pointed it to the North East Austin Healey club.  Better that then let GoDaddy try to sell someone swamp water or something else like they do...



-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Red Midget <redmidget72 at yahoo.com> 
Uhhh, http://www.mybugeye.com seems to be owened already by the Austin Healy Club of America.

http://www.ahca-northeast.com/

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, retroagogo at comcast.net <retroagogo at comcast.net> wrote:

From: retroagogo at comcast.net <retroagogo at comcast.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:32 PM


Anyone looking to build a bugeye website?

Website domain name MYBUGEYE.COM just came up on ebay.  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260307529044
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From John.Deikis at va.gov  Wed Oct 29 12:26:52 2008
From: John.Deikis at va.gov (Deikis, John G)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:26:52 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2>
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>

It all has such a familiar ring....
The government steps in, builds a singular automotive conglomerate which
has all of the ills and none of the strengths of the constituent
companies.

Britsh-Leyland > Rover Group > BMW > the new MINI  (to shorten the sad
progression)

General-Chrysler > Chevrolet-Dodge Group > Chop Suey Motors > the new
Jeep (ahh, so!)


-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Hedin [mailto:dlh2001 at comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:28 PM
To: soavero at yahoo.com; Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...

Will find out in 2010 when GM cancels the Volt....IF GM is still around
by then.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
I'm losing hope for a resurgence of micro cars, but maybe the general
populace has a longer memory than I give credit for.
>
> Ron

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 13:42:49 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2>
	<E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810291342g51563e57w683332fc33f8d265@mail.gmail.com>

I've been saying the same for nearly a decade, John. I was living in England
at the
time of the change from BMC to British Leyland. The Brits tried to put a
brave smile
on - still referring to their identiboxes as MG, Morris, Austin, Riley,
Wooseley, etc.
but it was pretty clear that the British auto industry under government
control was
on the slow slide into the $hitter due mainly to bureaucratic incompetence.

Since those in this country seem to be singularly blind to the history of
government
control through social democracy I guess we are doomed to repeat the debacle
while a few of us stand sobbing on the sidelines for want of what might have
been.

Cheers!!
Jim

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Deikis, John G <John.Deikis at va.gov> wrote:

> It all has such a familiar ring....
> The government steps in, builds a singular automotive conglomerate which
> has all of the ills and none of the strengths of the constituent
> companies.
>
> Britsh-Leyland > Rover Group > BMW > the new MINI  (to shorten the sad
> progression)
>
> General-Chrysler > Chevrolet-Dodge Group > Chop Suey Motors > the new
> Jeep (ahh, so!)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Hedin [mailto:dlh2001 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:28 PM
> To: soavero at yahoo.com; Spridgets
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...
>
> Will find out in 2010 when GM cancels the Volt....IF GM is still around
> by then.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
> I'm losing hope for a resurgence of micro cars, but maybe the general
> populace has a longer memory than I give credit for.
> >
> > Ron
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From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct 29 14:07:51 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:07:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810291342g51563e57w683332fc33f8d265@mail.gmail.com>
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>, 
	<43840a7e0810291342g51563e57w683332fc33f8d265@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49086E37.32659.13141B7@kk7ss.verizon.net>

On 29 Oct 2008 at 15:42, Jim Johnson wrote:
>> the slow slide into the $hitter due mainly to bureaucratic
>> incompetence

IMHO, as an ex-Brit -born before WW2, the slide started with the formation 
on BMC and the rise of Honda...

Look what happened to Velocette, Matchless, Scott, Ariel, etc... and 
Wolseley, Riley, Humber,  etc...

My Grandfather owned a trucking business (aka Long Distance Haulage) 
that the British Government "nationalised" by taking his business and giving 
him useless government bonds...

It broke his heart and business went belly up ...

The list is endless with the GPO and British Rail being the class clowns

GM + Chrysler = ?????

Flame suit is on  !!

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From leavcast at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 14:21:13 2008
From: leavcast at gmail.com (George)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:21:13 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2><E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov>
	<43840a7e0810291342g51563e57w683332fc33f8d265@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6CC86FD32EDE4B9D89B45A0D0E4F317A@laptop>

I guess we could just let GM die and watch tens of thousands of people lose 
their retirement move into their cars.

George Castleberry
59 BE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?


> I've been saying the same for nearly a decade, John. I was living in 
> England
> at the
> time of the change from BMC to British Leyland. The Brits tried to put a
> brave smile
> on - still referring to their identiboxes as MG, Morris, Austin, Riley,
> Wooseley, etc.
> but it was pretty clear that the British auto industry under government
> control was
> on the slow slide into the $hitter due mainly to bureaucratic 
> incompetence.
>
> Since those in this country seem to be singularly blind to the history of
> government
> control through social democracy I guess we are doomed to repeat the 
> debacle
> while a few of us stand sobbing on the sidelines for want of what might 
> have
> been.
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Deikis, John G <John.Deikis at va.gov> 
> wrote:
>
>> It all has such a familiar ring....
>> The government steps in, builds a singular automotive conglomerate which
>> has all of the ills and none of the strengths of the constituent
>> companies.
>>
>> Britsh-Leyland > Rover Group > BMW > the new MINI  (to shorten the sad
>> progression)
>>
>> General-Chrysler > Chevrolet-Dodge Group > Chop Suey Motors > the new
>> Jeep (ahh, so!)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dean Hedin [mailto:dlh2001 at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:28 PM
>> To: soavero at yahoo.com; Spridgets
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...
>>
>> Will find out in 2010 when GM cancels the Volt....IF GM is still around
>> by then.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Soave" <soavero at yahoo.com>
>> I'm losing hope for a resurgence of micro cars, but maybe the general
>> populace has a longer memory than I give credit for.
>> >
>> > Ron
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers!!
> Jim
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From davriker at nwi.net  Wed Oct 29 14:38:35 2008
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:38:35 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2><E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov><43840a7e0810291342g51563e57w683332fc33f8d265@mail.gmail.com>
	<6CC86FD32EDE4B9D89B45A0D0E4F317A@laptop>
Message-ID: <AB72D01354B7414382565CBBEF12FA84@dave>

I am certain that there are some on this list older  than I, who actually
have memories of WWII.  You might remember we won that one, right?  And does
anybody who passed 9th grade civics remember WHY we won?  Because we were
able to convert our automobile factories into war production facilities.
Now if we just rationalize away letting our auto industry dissapear, do you
really think Honda and Toyota will build us munitions to defend ourselves?
You let GM go down, and we might as well kiss EVERY thing we know about
America goodbye.  Those parts producers who are dependant on Ford, GM, and
Chrysler for their day to day bread and butter work are the ones who also
usually build every part for every military item everywhere.  Hey, lets sell
Hummer to some Middle East country, because they sell well over there.
Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.  For a group of people who usually is so far to the
right they fall off of a flat earth, I am amazed at the Auto industry
bashing that goes on here.  GM and Ford currently build WORLD CLASS CARS AND
TRUCKS.  GM has more models in the top rankings than Toyota does.  Try to
tell me that the US automakers were wrong to build big trucks and suv's,
then explain why Toyota, Honda, and Nissan have been trying so hard to break
into that market?  Sequoia vs Tahoe?  Tahoe gets better fuel mileage.
Silverado vs Titan?  not even a match.  Cobalt vs. Corolla?  Cobalt sells
for less money, and gets 37mpg.

I don't believe in buy American just for the sake of it, but I guarantee
that model for model,  GM builds a vehicle that is competitive in every
segment.

David Riker
Sales Manager
Cascade Chevrolet Cadillac Jeep Subaru Mazda
Wenatchee, Washington


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George" <leavcast at gmail.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?


>I guess we could just let GM die and watch tens of thousands of people lose
> their retirement move into their cars.
>
> George Castleberry
> 59 BE

From mikey at b2systems.com  Wed Oct 29 15:11:32 2008
From: mikey at b2systems.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:11:32 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <AB72D01354B7414382565CBBEF12FA84@dave>
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2><E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov><43840a7e0810291342g51563e57w683332fc33f8d265@mail.gmail.com>
	<6CC86FD32EDE4B9D89B45A0D0E4F317A@laptop>
	<AB72D01354B7414382565CBBEF12FA84@dave>
Message-ID: <4908DF94.4080506@b2systems.com>

  Your sig file says it all about your pushing American built 
cars/trucks.  But I have to admit that you are correct about the 
factories and how badly they are needed for a proper defense of this 
country should it ever go to a serious war.
 
  As to GM building a competitive car in every sector, that is a bit of 
stretch, before I go further, all my old cars are foreign cars but all 
my daily drivers have been GM cars (never owned a FORD yet) since the 
mid-1970's and last year I purchased my first new foreign car because 
there was no match for it by GM or FORD.  GM builds a quality car 
nowdays and that quality competes with the best that Japan can put 
together but if you are looking for a convertible, all you are left with 
is that rather pretty but useless Solstice and its twin (forget the name 
right now). I actually delayed my new car purchase because I planned on 
buying one.  Then I saw how small/tiny the trunk was once the top was 
down, the salesman even said "you put everything for the weekend in the 
trunk and drive where you are going, then put the stuff in the hotel 
room and drive around with the top down"  I could not believe it when he 
suggested driving with the top UP, why buy a convertible in that case ?  
My wife was against it but I took it for a drive, punched it coming out 
of a corner and almost slammed into the windshield because of the rev 
limiter, it felt like a super low rev limiter but I was at the redline 
which "felt" like I was no where near it.  I turned around and returned 
the car and never looked back.  Did not even check on its road 
handling.  GM has interesting ideas on some cars is about the best I can 
say but sports cars is not one of them, so now there is a Honda in my 
driveway, 8K redline that feels right and a useable trunk and 11,000 
miles on it with way less than 500 with the top up.

 I own 5 cars, a 2000 GM truck with 30,000 miles on it and 4 
convertibles, life is lived in the open air and GM does not build one 
for life.

    mike

p.s. isn't this a Spridget list ?

David Riker wrote:
> I don't believe in buy American just for the sake of it, but I guarantee
> that model for model,  GM builds a vehicle that is competitive in every
> segment.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Rambour
Bug Writer err...Programmer
      mikey at b2systems.com
****************************************************************
If you want to learn more about the ULTIMATE BRITISH sports car,
then take a look at   http://www.singercars.com/
or the ULTIMATE ALMOST a Ferrari http://www.dinospider.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

From soavero at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 15:33:43 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <AB72D01354B7414382565CBBEF12FA84@dave>
Message-ID: <52211.18694.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, David Riker <davriker at nwi.net> wrote:
> right?  And does
> anybody who passed 9th grade civics remember WHY we won? 

I'm a physicist, so I tend to lean towards superior firepower, but your point is well stated and taken. The Cobalt SS, for instance, is $23K, does 0-60 in 5.4, and pulls .92g on the skid pad. 

The point of my original post was that if gas prices could turn around when there seemed to be no chance, the economy can/will too. The rapid drop in gas just reinforced in my own head that nothing is forever, good or bad.

Ron

From kgb at frontiernet.net  Wed Oct 29 17:48:08 2008
From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:48:08 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <4908DF94.4080506@b2systems.com>
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A12FD39A65D54A008198A10E163F622E@blackbox2><E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA94042477DD@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.med.va.gov><43840a7e0810291342g51563e57w683332fc33f8d265@mail.gmail.com>
	<6CC86FD32EDE4B9D89B45A0D0E4F317A@laptop>
	<AB72D01354B7414382565CBBEF12FA84@dave>
	<4908DF94.4080506@b2systems.com>
Message-ID: <49090448.1010403@frontiernet.net>

Gary was in the car business for many years after retiring from the 
Navy, and once told me that Chrysler was the only manufacturer still set 
up for immediate conversion to military use.
That is why the Feds bailed them out a few years ago.

Kate

Mike Rambour wrote:
>  Your sig file says it all about your pushing American built 
> cars/trucks.  But I have to admit that you are correct about the 
> factories and how badly they are needed for a proper defense of this 
> country should it ever go to a serious war.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 29 18:00:33 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:00:33 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <49086E37.32659.13141B7@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C52E5541.1A866%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> My Grandfather owned a trucking business (aka Long Distance Haulage)
> that the British Government "nationalised" by taking his business and giving
> him useless government bonds...
How do you do long distance hauling in England?

From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net  Wed Oct 29 18:28:33 2008
From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:28:33 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
Message-ID: <103020080128.7089.49090DC10009CEFC00001BB122165662769B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>

The problem with GM is the fact that they are in DIRECT competition with THEMSELVES!!
How many cars does GM produce in each style and pricing.  There is no way fore them to be successful when the success of one gm brand over foreign cars has the result of sinking 2 or more GM brands.  If they thinned their number of models they might not be having this problem.  Yes I know that this would mean the loss of many jobs but possibly through attrition and early retirement might save a few jobs.  Its a thought.
ryan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Billy Zoom <billyzoom at billyzoom.com> 

> > My Grandfather owned a trucking business (aka Long Distance Haulage) 
> > that the British Government "nationalised" by taking his business and giving 
> > him useless government bonds... 
> How do you do long distance hauling in England? 
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct 29 18:59:56 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <103020080128.7089.49090DC10009CEFC00001BB122165662769B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A5CC859F7EAE43D295EA7F4B9EDF3875@midget>

You know, I was a GM fan. At one time they built cars that people liked. I 
liked that old 72 Chevelle I had. I liked the old 74 Nova with 350 and 411 
posi. No, they were not Bimmers, but neither was their price tag. Somewhere 
along the line, the MBAs got control or something, because it seemed to 
become more important to be able to predict a profit than to actually sell a 
car. What people wanted to buy became secondary to what GM wanted to build 
and what GM wanted to build seemed to be determined by bean counters. Case 
in point; in the mid-90's GM decided to bring back convertible Firebirds and 
Camaros. Great, a definite market. Then someone started running some 
theoretical numbers and decided that if they sold too many of the wrong 
models, it would have a negative effect on their Corporate Automotive Fuel 
Economy rating. Therefore, you could get the Firebird with a Chevy 350 and 
AC, but you could not get the Camaro with the Chevy 350 and AC. You could 
get AC with a 305 or a 350 without AC, but not both. Did it work? Who knows? 
Who cares?

I was trying not to mention the Aztek, but who thought THAT was a good idea?
David Lieb 

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Wed Oct 29 19:01:09 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <C52E5541.1A866%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <49086E37.32659.13141B7@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<C52E5541.1A866%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <4908B2F5.26711.23DC684@kk7ss.verizon.net>

On 29 Oct 2008 at 18:00, Billy Zoom wrote:
>> How do you do long distance hauling in England?

Apart from the fact that it's 1,000 miles from Lands' End (in the South) to 
John O'Groats (in the North), there's a 'little' place called Europe only 21 
miles away... I would kinda suspect that Edinburgh to Rome would count as 
'long distance'!!

Have you tried driving over the Simplon Pass??  ;-))

Dave G>
--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If life begins at 50, why am I falling apart ?!

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Wed Oct 29 19:14:21 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <49086E37.32659.13141B7@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<C52E5541.1A866%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<4908B2F5.26711.23DC684@kk7ss.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D7D65091C3774375A35F98974D575217@midget>

> On 29 Oct 2008 at 18:00, Billy Zoom wrote:
>>> How do you do long distance hauling in England?

> Apart from the fact that it's 1,000 miles from Lands' End (in the South) 
> to  John O'Groats (in the North), there's a 'little' place called Europe 
> only 21  miles away... I would kinda suspect that Edinburgh to Rome would 
> count as  'long distance'!!

Well, Google Maps puts that at 1560 miles or so... Bill Loeb drove further 
than that just to get to the Spridget 50th in Missouri. 

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Wed Oct 29 19:15:51 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:15:51 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <AB72D01354B7414382565CBBEF12FA84@dave>
Message-ID: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>  GM and Ford currently build WORLD CLASS CARS AND
> TRUCKS.  
Ford makes some good trucks.  If World Class means leaving you stranded on
the roadside before it's logged it's first twenty thousand miles, then I
guess GM qualifies. 

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Oct 29 20:28:28 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:28:28 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <A5CC859F7EAE43D295EA7F4B9EDF3875@midget>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEPPEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<I was trying not to mention the Aztek, but who thought THAT was a good
idea?>>

Some nice black lady from the South named Helen, David???<G>

And the car 'started' downhill IMHO when (and I think GM WAS 1st)
DIS-continued a customer's ability to walk in a show room and actually order
a car HE wanted NOT what some dam*ed pencil-pusher decided 'belong in a
group of stuff' that became an Option Package.

When the CUSTOMER (big-time FORGOTTEN word/meaning) became 2nd class to the
pencil-pusher (who "knew better") the industry went into the
s*itter.

And the ENTIRE lot of MASS producers (pretty sure you can order a Prancing
Horse as YOU want it<G>) LOST sight of what their CUSTOMER
was/wanted.

I HATE ALL 'new' things called 'cars'/'automobiles' except the Chev Malibu
Maxx Cindy bought a couple of years ago, which was NOT advertised to any
degree at all and which of course eliminated from the product line-up.
FANTISTIC car and I do really like it.

S*it happens (all to frequently<F>!!).

From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 29 19:43:57 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:43:57 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
In-Reply-To: <200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
References: <4F45D6F2B06CF842BC225557FD800210036DC5E1@CINMLVEM26.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<200810280602111.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W37DE79ADE48C9ACEC5C38AC2210@phx.gbl>

You sure Zoom's not in town Peter????

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:02:43 -0500
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> From: peter at nosimport.com
> Subject: [Spridgets] what's it mean, when...
>
> ... you're driving in to work and pass by someone walking toward you
> on the highway by the airport in a skeleton costume carrying a guitar
> by the neck.... nothing else around.
>
>
> Peter C

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From bugeye15 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 29 19:46:27 2008
From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...and gas prices
In-Reply-To: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <855405.50189.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU111-W5428A5061EF7295FBCFCA5C2210@phx.gbl>

Gee, didn't gas and oil prices dive 2 years ago, $3.00+ to below $2.00 right
before the elections?????
Coincidence????

Brian S.
Bugeyeracer under resto

> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:11:47 -0700
> Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...
>
> Being one to generally put his money where the statistics are, it's seemed
lately that  stock market will never recover from its recent plunge. 2 months
ago, according to my log, I paid $4.69 for a gallon of gas.  I just put some
fuel in the Sprite tonight, same station, $2.26 per gallon. I would never have
thought it would be so cheap again. Of course, I'm losing hope for a
resurgence of micro cars, but maybe the general populace has a longer memory
than I give credit for.
>
> Ron

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From pythias at pacifier.com  Wed Oct 29 19:52:39 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:52:39 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <D7D65091C3774375A35F98974D575217@midget>
References: <49086E37.32659.13141B7@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<C52E5541.1A866%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<4908B2F5.26711.23DC684@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<D7D65091C3774375A35F98974D575217@midget>
Message-ID: <155964626.20081029195239@pacifier.com>

Hello David,

     hey, hey, i've tried to stay OUT of this whole discussion. It's
     NOT my fault that GM is going under, just because i've never
     owned a GM product other than a Frigidair! It is NOT my fault that
     GM found it was cheaper to advertise quality than to implement
     it. It is NOT my fault that GM decided that cars were commodities
     and only the only difference was brand image. It is NOT my fault
     that GM thinks that cars should be designed by committees and
     focus groups. None of this disucssion is MY FAULT just because
     i'm stooopid enough to DRIVE a SPRIDGET that gets 40 mpg on the
     highway (at 60 mph) rather than a NEW GM product that can only
     get 35. or 25. ..

     ITS NOT MY FAULT!



     ROFL! 

-- 
Best regards,
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 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Old frogs never die, but they do croak!

From davriker at nwi.net  Wed Oct 29 20:27:45 2008
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave>

I haven't seen a 2007/2008/2009 Silverado towed into the dealership in the 
last year.  As for stranded, Onstar, blue button.  Oh, and free roadside 
assistance for 5 years/100,000 miles.  Frequency of warantee repair has been 
dropping to the point that we cut back one service writer and the 
pre-delivery inspections rarely find anything that needs attention.  A far 
cry from the days when mystery parts were in the trunk.
When I started in the business in 1995, there was no way we as a new car 
franchise would even think of putting a trade-in  with over about 80,000 
miles out on the used car lot.  Today, the real proof of quality is the fact 
that 150,000 mile trade-ins need little more than some fluid changes and a 
detail job to sell, and be proud of selling.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Billy Zoom" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>
To: "David Riker" <davriker at nwi.net>; "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?


>>  GM and Ford currently build WORLD CLASS CARS AND
>> TRUCKS.
> Ford makes some good trucks.  If World Class means leaving you stranded on
> the roadside before it's logged it's first twenty thousand miles, then I
> guess GM qualifies.

From davriker at nwi.net  Wed Oct 29 20:37:25 2008
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:37:25 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNKEPPEGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <BC387B0F6E7E436C89813642E8D6BBC4@dave>

Actually, packaging a car with a set of options was the Japanese mfg idea. 
Honda has it down to a science.  Want a Sunroof, you get the EX.  PERIOD.

You can walk in and order a car the way you want,  as long as there is an 
order code.  Option packages reduce the number of assembly combinations 
keeping costs down, and keeping the brand price competitive.  However the 
NEED to special order a vehicle is almost nil, now that I can get on the 
computer and find every stock order GM vehicle in the United States that is 
built, in transit, or approved for production.  You want a purple Silverado 
with tan guts and a sunroof, If it exists, I can find it.

Ferarri is not a mass produced automobile.  GM isn't loosing market share to 
Ferarri.  Try ordering a base Camry with just Anti-lock brakes.

David Riker

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed's Shop" <shop at justbrits.com>
To: "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?


> And the car 'started' downhill IMHO when (and I think GM WAS 1st)
> DIS-continued a customer's ability to walk in a show room and actually 
> order
> a car HE wanted NOT what some dam*ed pencil-pusher decided 'belong in a
> group of stuff' that became an Option Package.
>
> And the ENTIRE lot of MASS producers (pretty sure you can order a Prancing
> Horse as YOU want it<G>) LOST sight of what their CUSTOMER
> was/wanted.

From davriker at nwi.net  Wed Oct 29 20:44:03 2008
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:44:03 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
Message-ID: <7529F860642A467D9FCF89E740FE868B@dave>

Do not mistake "competitive" for equal, exact match, or best.  Every product
has it's target purchaser.  I have been a Honda Sales Manager too, and the
S2000 is an excellent car at what it excells at.  You might roll over and
puke at this next statement, but...  you can't get an automatic transmission
in an S2000, so for 80% of the buyers (non-enthusiasts, secretaries, and
residents of San Fransisco) the Solstice and Sky could be a better pick.
The S2000 lacks low end torque, which in my opinion makes it a dog to drive
in bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic or city driving with hills.  That
doesn't mean the S2000 didn't put a HUGE smile on my face when I drove one,
but it is kind of like this, it may be fun to go on a date with the life of
the party, but you wouldn't want to be married to her for the rest of your
life.  I was prepared to be underwhelmed by the Solstice with an automatic,
but after a couple of days around town,  I found that it makes a great, top
down city car.  The two door convertible market is miniscule.  For a
manufacturer to shoot at the exact same bullseye in that market would be
suicide.

As for sports cars, have you driven a Corvette lately?  Absolutely as docile
as a Honda Accord around town, 25 mpg on the highway, convertable top, 6
speed, and oh, yeah, step on the go pedal and unleash an animal.  Skip the
options boxes and they're cheaper than a full size SUV's.

Have american car companies built cars that were embarassing?  Sure.  But
lets compare some of the *worst* American cars of the 1970's to their
contemporaries.  A little game of which one was worse?

AMC Gremlin or Renault 16?
Chevrolet Vega or Fiat 124 Sedan?
Chevrolet Chevette or Simca 1100?
Ford Pinto or Austin Marina?

David Riker

GM builds a quality car
> nowdays and that quality competes with the best that Japan can put
> together but if you are looking for a convertible, all you are left with
> is that rather pretty but useless Solstice and its twin (forget the name
> right now).

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 21:54:39 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:54:39 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Was Hope...for GM? Now coming back to topic...
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810292154s113ba230lab1cb57395f2e538@mail.gmail.com>

This has strayed off topic a bit. The point of the original couple of posts
was not necessarily that any of the manufacturers are doing a poor job
(though plainly a few are - our 2005 Silverado is plagued with problems that
the dealer seems unable to solve while our 2000 Silverado was a gem). The
point originally was that if you want to destroy an industry and create a
black hole to suck up tax money, nationalize it and let it be run by a
government bureaucracy. That's what happened in England.

I have no problem with helping by loaning money to GM or any other American
manufacturer provided they pay the loan back as Chrysler did under Iaccoca.
I do have a problem with supporting a failing industry with my tax dollars
because they have made some very bad decisions and aren't willing to make
necessary changes to rectify the situation. And why should they change if
the government will give them your tax money to continue down the same
non-productive path they are already on? They found a "Sugar Daddy" - an
you're it!

I'm sorry about workers being laid off or losing their jobs in factory
closings, but realistically, we as tax payers cannot support them forever
just because their employers were stupid. Maybe its "tough love" but sooner
or later this country has got to stop bailing out every industry that gets
into trouble or the employees that lose their job, retirement, home or
whatever. I've got all I can handle supporting myself without having to
support others who fall on hard times. I'm sorry for them, but that's life.
You don't get a guarantee when you're born.

Also, where the heck is all this money going to come from? Do we just print
up some more and give it out to everyone so the government can take it and
give it away elsewhere with no hope of every getting it back?

Cheers!!
Jim - Who is buying up ammo and food....  Just so you know, it won't be easy
to get my belongings...

From irish_32_ at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 30 00:05:45 2008
From: irish_32_ at hotmail.com (Nathan Causey)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
Message-ID: <COL110-W79A2148732B8F015D7E3FEA7210@phx.gbl>

New to the list 'ol Gilroy set me up.  Got a 70 midget 1275 almost done doing
a total rebuilt lookin for an in expensimve upgrade to the front suspension
any body have any ideas

Nate
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From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 01:23:38 2008
From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:23:38 -0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <52211.18694.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3BC07CA87654C819AA73692683B03D0@GuyLaptop>

Ron,
The problem is that the sudden turn-around in fuel prices is nothing to do
with improved efficiency or better marketing, as is needed for the economy.
It is a direct reflection of a fall in demand because of the down turn in
the economy.  So falls in fuel prices reflect the exact opposite of what is
needed for the manufacturing economy as a whole.

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Soave
Sent: 29 October 2008 22:34
To: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?


The point of my original post was that if gas prices could turn around when
there seemed to be no chance, the economy can/will too. The rapid drop in
gas just reinforced in my own head that nothing is forever, good or bad.

Ron
_

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 30 04:38:21 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:38:21 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <B3BC07CA87654C819AA73692683B03D0@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <9CA9C2DC2A2446A7A789D9733D6A58D0@midget>

> The problem is that the sudden turn-around in fuel prices is nothing to do
> with improved efficiency or better marketing, as is needed for the 
> economy.
> It is a direct reflection of a fall in demand because of the down turn in
> the economy.  So falls in fuel prices reflect the exact opposite of what 
> is
> needed for the manufacturing economy as a whole.

I beg to differ. What happened when it turned out that packaged mortgages 
were a bad investment? The "money" looked for something else to invest their 
funds in. Petroleum futures went nuts. Rising gas prices were a result and 
the justification for more investments. Self-sustaining up-spiral. Then 
things started to crash and the "money" had no funds to invest. Prices 
started sliding back down. 

From mgmaven at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 30 04:59:25 2008
From: mgmaven at bellsouth.net (Bob Spruck)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:59:25 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Stripes for a square body... Opinions wanted
In-Reply-To: <84347.72740.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.20081030075400.00d2f440@mail.bellsouth.net>

I put temporary stripes on my ' 67 vintage racer using toilet paper! 

I wanted two approximately 6" white stripes separated by 2 " on my BRG car.
TP is about 4" wide, so, by using two lengths, overlapped a bit for each
stripe, I could adjust the width of each stripe and the separator easily.
Plus, it is cheap and you don't have to worry about cutting straight.

Don't tell my wife, but when I was finished mocking up the stripes, I put
the stuff back in the bathroom!

Bob Spruck
MotorMouth/south

At 01:24 AM 10/26/2008 , David Booker wrote:
>I want to put a couple of stripes on the Midget.  What I have in mind is
>something similar to what is typically seen on Cobras - two contrasting color
>wide stripes over the hood and trunk (and the front and rear valances).  The
>problem is I'm having a hard time deciding the stripe width and spacing
>between them.  Anybody have suggestions?  Anybody have pics they want to
>email? 
> 
>I plan to order vinyl stripes from Frank's dad and with any luck maybe even
>pick them up at the Holy Sprite build weekend.  I have no idea how long it
>will take to get the correct color and cut them, so that part is just
>hoping...  
> 
>Thanks
> - David Booker
>'71 Midget
>Long Island

From mgmaven at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 30 05:04:35 2008
From: mgmaven at bellsouth.net (Bob Spruck)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:04:35 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Wheels needed
In-Reply-To: <E866F92760144E4E860086F02E32EA9404247474@VHAV11MSGA1.v11.m
	ed.va.gov>
Message-ID: <4.1.20081030080143.00d3ef18@mail.bellsouth.net>

Hey John:
I have five or six Vega wheels with slots that I deemed too wide for my
square fendered vintage racer. Too wide for VDCA rules, too. I can send you
photos and dimensions if you are interested. They are yours for the
shipping costs.

Bob Spruck
MotorMouth/south

At 12:43 PM 10/27/2008 , Deikis, John G wrote:
>I'm looking for a set of wheels to run my rain tires on.  The DCO (dumb
>current owner) has been using alloy wheel lug nuts on Rostyles and
>wallowed out the stud holes. Anybody have anything extra laying around?
>
>I have a lead on some 6-inch wide steel wheels.  Anyone know off hand if
>175-70-13's will stay on a wider wheel without problems?
>
>-JohnD
>_

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 30 05:05:09 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:05:09 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
References: <COL110-W79A2148732B8F015D7E3FEA7210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0E02D51ADE7C4DD6AABE5D51514C44DC@midget>

> New to the list 'ol Gilroy set me up.  Got a 70 midget 1275 almost done 
> doing
> a total rebuilt lookin for an in expensimve upgrade to the front 
> suspension
> any body have any ideas

Nate,
How dare you intrude Spridget content on the Spridget List? ;-)
Didn't you realize that we are in the throes of our annual 6-month cabin 
fever, exacerbated by being leap year (and hence election year)?
Oh well. If you insist...

There really is not that much wrong with the design of the stock front 
suspension. Almost any time you buy one, you can count on having to replace 
both front wishbones (a-arms), the fulcrum pins, all the bushings and the 
shocks. Worldwide Auto Parts in Madison, WI provides the best rebuilds of 
Armstrong shocks. If you look hard enough and ask around, you can find 
new/rebuilt wishbones with dual grease fittings to let you think you are 
doing a better job of greasing them at every oil change or sooner.
David Lieb 

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 05:35:38 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:35:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <B3BC07CA87654C819AA73692683B03D0@GuyLaptop>
Message-ID: <825488.28707.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Guy Weller <> wrote:
> It is a direct reflection of a fall in demand because of
> the down turn in
> the economy.  So falls in fuel prices reflect the exact
> opposite of what is
> needed for the manufacturing economy as a whole.

It is a reflection, yes, but the drop provides some support now of entering the next part (recovery) of the ever-present cycle with energy prices lower, albeit temporary. Presidential election...war in middle east seemingly receding...drop in energy prices...bank crises peaking...looks a lot like the early 1990s before the economy turned around (well, it's a helluva lot worse, but still...).

Ron

From doug_altman at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 06:15:01 2008
From: doug_altman at yahoo.com (Doug Altman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
Message-ID: <22008.6888.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

My wife wants to put some vinyl lettering in the back window of her Malibu: 
Lose your job yet?  Keep buying foreign.

From oldsaabguy at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 06:43:20 2008
From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:43:20 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave>
References: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave>
Message-ID: <65A9E397-67CB-46B3-B6D0-27230A2774CA@comcast.net>

As a GM truck owner for many years ( LBC's and SAAB's need a tow  
vehicle) I must respectfully disagree.  The fuel pump dies often  
enough that my extended warantee was worth the extra $1500. $660 per  
fuel pump installed, and it's happened to me no less than 4 times inas  
many years and to MANY of other folk I know who drive them.  Less that  
40K miles.  Yet my (ore GM) SAAB has 130k miles with the same fuel pump.

Lester
Minimal typing from the iPhone

On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:27 PM, "David Riker" <davriker at nwi.net> wrote:

> I haven't seen a 2007/2008/2009 Silverado towed into the dealership  
> in the last year.  As for stranded, Onstar, blue button.  Oh, and  
> free roadside assistance for 5 years/100,000 miles.  Frequency of  
> warantee repair has been dropping to the point that we cut back one  
> service writer and the pre-delivery inspections rarely find anything  
> that needs attention.  A far cry from the days when mystery parts  
> were in the trunk.
> When I started in the business in 1995, there was no way we as a new  
> car franchise would even think of putting a trade-in  with over  
> about 80,000 miles out on the used car lot.  Today, the real proof  
> of quality is the fact that 150,000 mile trade-ins need little more  
> than some fluid changes and a detail job to sell, and be proud of  
> selling.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com 
> >
> To: "David Riker" <davriker at nwi.net>; "Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net 
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
>
>
>>> GM and Ford currently build WORLD CLASS CARS AND
>>> TRUCKS.
>> Ford makes some good trucks.  If World Class means leaving you  
>> stranded on
>> the roadside before it's logged it's first twenty thousand miles,  
>> then I
>> guess GM qualifies.
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 30 07:08:28 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:08:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com><009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave>
	<65A9E397-67CB-46B3-B6D0-27230A2774CA@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BB52B8CD11A3442F9E9F0670B5BC845A@NilesAD.von.gov>

> As a GM truck owner for many years ( LBC's and SAAB's need a tow  vehicle) 
> I must respectfully disagree.  The fuel pump dies often  enough that my 
> extended warantee was worth the extra $1500. $660 per  fuel pump 
> installed, and it's happened to me no less than 4 times inas  many years 
> and to MANY of other folk I know who drive them.  Less that  40K miles. 
> Yet my (ore GM) SAAB has 130k miles with the same fuel pump.

Lester,
My garage manager insists that dying fuel pumps are the result of people
not filling their fuel tanks until they are close to empty. The lower the 
fuel level, the harder the pump has to work and the less the flow of fuel 
cools it down. Never let the gauge drop below quarter tank. Beats the heck 
out of $660 fuel pumps...
David Lieb 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 30 07:44:44 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:44:44 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <22008.6888.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F3444022F5C95E7CB5632B5B8210@phx.gbl>

Are you ready to replace your LBC with a Chevette? :)
( no, I'm not remotely serious. )


----Original Message Follows----
From: Doug Altman <doug_altman at yahoo.com>

My wife wants to put some vinyl lettering in the back window of her Malibu:
Lose your job yet?  Keep buying foreign.

From wmgilroy at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 07:59:54 2008
From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:59:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <COL110-W79A2148732B8F015D7E3FEA7210@phx.gbl>
References: <COL110-W79A2148732B8F015D7E3FEA7210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <441250190810300759s17ca466ay63bac61b1d03895@mail.gmail.com>

Did not know I was old :-)

-g

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Nathan Causey <irish_32_ at hotmail.com>wrote:

> New to the list 'ol Gilroy set me up.  Got a 70 midget 1275 almost done
> doing
> a total rebuilt lookin for an in expensimve upgrade to the front suspension
> any body have any ideas
>
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 30 08:01:19 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
References: <BAY112-F3444022F5C95E7CB5632B5B8210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0894C4445A2F49DBAB0902249BD460A9@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Are you ready to replace your LBC with a Chevette? :)
> ( no, I'm not remotely serious. )

NOW I understand!!!
Back in 1976 or so, the Chevette was launched with an ad campaign stating, 
"It's about time for a new kind of American car." At the time, I merely 
thought it was typical ad-writer stupidity to say such a thing about a car 
whose body was designed in Germany and the engine designed in Brazil 
(supposed to have been the first engine GM built in the US that was not 
designed in the US). Looking back at it now, they were proclaiming the 
beginning of the slippery slope to where we are now, stuck with an auto 
industry determined to commit harikari (wait, wasn't that the announcer for 
the Cubs?).

Or maybe the ad campaign was right... it WAS time for a new kind of American 
car, but it was our foolishness to assume that, because it was said during a 
Chevette commercial, that they were talking about the Chevette in that role. 
Maybe they were trying to motivate Toyota? Honda? Nissan? Mitsubishi?

Never mind. I will just go back to planning my trip.
David Lieb 

From thcollin at mtu.edu  Thu Oct 30 08:00:51 2008
From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:00:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <BB52B8CD11A3442F9E9F0670B5BC845A@NilesAD.von.gov>
References: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave>
	<65A9E397-67CB-46B3-B6D0-27230A2774CA@comcast.net>
	<BB52B8CD11A3442F9E9F0670B5BC845A@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <799knl$4traq6@email.mtu.edu>

>My garage manager insists that dying fuel pumps are the result of people
>not filling their fuel tanks until they are close to empty.

Y're kidding, right? What else must one know to own/drive one of 
those? Don't turn your lights on until it is absolutely dark 'cause 
the bulbs will burn out?? Don't use your brakes to save the brake 
light bulb? No, the pump thing falls on the side of being a poor 
design or engineering or manufacturing defect. And, what are they 
(the pumps) made of that makes them worth $600? That's alot of $ for 
an electric motor.


Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Oct 30 08:02:45 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:02:45 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank: trip out
Message-ID: <4909CC95.7080105@wi.net>

@^$% GETTING P.O.ED!  Oh, Hi Frank!

I've been using your correct address but still getting bounced back.  Am 
stubborn enough to keep sending it to you personally.
I will also send it through the list.  Sorry list.

Just wanted to say: 

Hi Frank,

Terri and I have reservations at the new Comfort Inn in your 'hood for 
the nights of the 7th, 8th, & 9th.  We'll leave here on the 4th after 
voting and do some site seeing on the way.  That way if work late I can 
crawl back to the motel.  Thanks to you and Diane for doing research!

See you soon!    :-)   Dave

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Thu Oct 30 09:01:05 2008
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:01:05 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Walter featured in Road and Track and VIntage Motorsport
Message-ID: <007d01c93aa8$bad41df0$307c59d0$@com>

http://www.thicko.com/Walter.htm

 

Walter, my unrestored  19,000 mile Sprite race car will be featured in the
Peter Egan's Road & Track column in the January issue.

 

Additionally, it will also be "Pick of the Litre" in the upcoming Vintage
Motorsport coverage of the VSCDA's Vintage Fall Festival.

 

Thanks to Scott Paceley for his photos, and to Peter and Barbara Egan for
driving it ELVF weekend.

 

WST

From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 09:23:01 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <0894C4445A2F49DBAB0902249BD460A9@NilesAD.von.gov>
Message-ID: <476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> wrote:
> Back in 1976 or so, the Chevette was launched with an ad
> campaign stating, 
> "It's about time for a new kind of American
> car

I think that was actually the Chevy Citation (maybe Chevette too, I forget), which was so bad a lot of people don't even remember it existed. That was also the era of "The Shape of Things to Come" (and go away, apparently) and the Sears Diehard commercial with the prototype TR8. Madison Avenue should not underestimate their effect on 10 year olds. Their crappy car ads for crappy car designs sent me right into getting in trouble for sketching antique designs like MGAs and E-Types on my notebook covers in Mrs. Felber's 4th grade class. 

Ron

From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu  Thu Oct 30 09:30:10 2008
From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:30:10 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
References: <BAY112-F3444022F5C95E7CB5632B5B8210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2DA2BA42594744BCB70A624BCADB7CAC@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu>

One can argue all day that today's "American" cars are the equal of imports. 
The consumer, the only one whose vote actually counts, has left the polling 
booth.  After decades of sub-standard fare, it will be a long time before 
any trust can be regained and it will take a quality product, not a quality 
argument.

Glen Byrns 

From dwramsey at att.net  Thu Oct 30 09:35:00 2008
From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:35:00 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM? now Jeep ad
In-Reply-To: <799knl$4traq6@email.mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <20081030163508.A664A1878C7@autox.team.net>

Has anybody seen the new Jeep Wrangler ad on TV.  Weee up the hill, Weee
down the hill, Weee through the river.  What they don't mention is if you
take it off road your warranty is VOID.  Never seen a Wrangler ad where it
is on a road.
		Crash

Y're kidding, right? What else must one know to own/drive one of 
those? 

Tim Collins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ 

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct 30 09:42:15 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <COL110-W79A2148732B8F015D7E3FEA7210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C52F31F7.1A8A8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> lookin for an in expensimve upgrade to the front suspension
How about a Miata.

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 30 09:49:05 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:49:05 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cf0.4708f8b7.363b3f81@aol.com>

Check to see if it has an anti-roll bar and if it hasn't fit one.

W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 30/10/2008 12:05:30 GMT Standard Time,  
dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes:

There  really is not that much wrong with the design of the stock front  
suspension. Almost any time you buy one, you can count on having to  replace 
both front wishbones (a-arms), the fulcrum pins, all the bushings  and the 
shocks. Worldwide Auto Parts in Madison, WI provides the best  rebuilds of 
Armstrong shocks. If you look hard enough and ask around, you  can find 
new/rebuilt wishbones with dual grease fittings to let you think  you are 
doing a better job of greasing them at every oil change or  sooner.
David Lieb 

From TMHEFFRON at aol.com  Thu Oct 30 09:50:05 2008
From: TMHEFFRON at aol.com (TMHEFFRON at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:50:05 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
Message-ID: <d37.32ee1a73.363b3fbd@aol.com>

I learned to drive stick on a '76 Chevette - it was a POS but at least it  
was rear drive so I learned how a real car drifted on snowy roads during the  
winter of '76 in the Chicago suburbs.  
 
The Citation was awful - drove a rental when it first came out and it  torque 
steered fiercely - even as an automatic.  It was a truly awful  car.
 
TuTone
 
 
In a message dated 10/30/2008 11:23:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
soavero at yahoo.com writes:

--- On  Thu, 10/30/08, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> wrote:
>  Back in 1976 or so, the Chevette was launched with an ad
> campaign  stating, 
> "It's about time for a new kind of American
>  car

I think that was actually the Chevy Citation (maybe Chevette too, I  forget), 
which was so bad a lot of people don't even remember it existed. That  was 
also the era of "The Shape of Things to Come" (and go away, apparently)  and the 
Sears Diehard commercial with the prototype TR8. Madison Avenue should  not 
underestimate their effect on 10 year olds. Their crappy car ads for  crappy 
car designs sent me right into getting in trouble for sketching antique  designs 
like MGAs and E-Types on my notebook covers in Mrs. Felber's 4th grade  
class.  

Ron
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 09:57:44 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:57:44 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Walter featured in Road and Track and VIntage
 Motorsport
In-Reply-To: <007d01c93aa8$bad41df0$307c59d0$@com>
References: <007d01c93aa8$bad41df0$307c59d0$@com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810300957s4a58ec6cw7f2150e9efec6ec3@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations, Flounder!!   May I touch your clothes if I keep my adoring
gaze diverted?   ;-)

BTW, whats all that stuff leaking out from under it in the picture....   ?
;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wm. Severin Thompson <
wsthompson at thicko.com> wrote:

> http://www.thicko.com/Walter.htm
>
>
>
> Walter, my unrestored  19,000 mile Sprite race car will be featured in the
> Peter Egan's Road & Track column in the January issue.
>
>
>
> Additionally, it will also be "Pick of the Litre" in the upcoming Vintage
> Motorsport coverage of the VSCDA's Vintage Fall Festival.
>
>
>
> Thanks to Scott Paceley for his photos, and to Peter and Barbara Egan for
> driving it ELVF weekend.
>
>
>
> WST
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-- 
Cheers!!
Jim

From tequila.brad at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 10:03:32 2008
From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <0894C4445A2F49DBAB0902249BD460A9@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e98d88090810301003n71e11113vd5b1e0eecd59ceef@mail.gmail.com>

Scott Miller did an album called Citation, and the song Freedom Was a
Stranger, mentions the Citation in the song.
http://www.thescottmiller.com/scottmillermusic.html
If you like the folk/americana music, hit the link. It takes you to a page
that has all his music on there for free streaming listening. The second
album down is Citation (2006) and play the first song. I consider Scott a
friend, as well as a great musician. He was originally a history teacher, so
many of his songs hold true stories. For those of you that may recall The
V-Roys, or the house band for The Blue Collar Comedy Show, Scott was
influential in both of those, as well as playing with Steve Earle for a
short while.

Brad


On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> wrote:
> > Back in 1976 or so, the Chevette was launched with an ad
> > campaign stating,
> > "It's about time for a new kind of American
> > car
>
> I think that was actually the Chevy Citation (maybe Chevette too, I
> forget), which was so bad a lot of people don't even remember it existed.
> That was also the era of "The Shape of Things to Come" (and go away,
> apparently) and the Sears Diehard commercial with the prototype TR8. Madison
> Avenue should not underestimate their effect on 10 year olds. Their crappy
> car ads for crappy car designs sent me right into getting in trouble for
> sketching antique designs like MGAs and E-Types on my notebook covers in
> Mrs. Felber's 4th grade class.
>
> Ron
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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Thu Oct 30 10:13:22 2008
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Walter featured in Road and Track and VIntage
 Motorsport
In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0810300957s4a58ec6cw7f2150e9efec6ec3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007d01c93aa8$bad41df0$307c59d0$@com>
	<43840a7e0810300957s4a58ec6cw7f2150e9efec6ec3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c93ab2$d2409f90$76c1deb0$@com>

Coolant out the overflow. It was nearly 100F that day, and it was parked
downhill. J

 

From: Jim Johnson [mailto:bmwwxman at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:58 AM
To: Wm. Severin Thompson
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net; bugeye at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Walter featured in Road and Track and VIntage
Motorsport

 

Congratulations, Flounder!!   May I touch your clothes if I keep my adoring
gaze diverted?   ;-)

BTW, whats all that stuff leaking out from under it in the picture....   ?
;-)

Cheers!!
Jim

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Thu Oct 30 10:37:53 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:37:53 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
Message-ID: <cc7.435f3b43.363b4af1@aol.com>

Any there and back trip that requires an overnight stop bearing in mind  
trucks are mecanically/electronically limited to 55mph and cannot legallay use  
the 3rds lane on a 3 lane motorway.  Going back a few years the trucks  wouldn't 
be capable of 55mph.
 
W e s l a k e 1330
 
In a message dated 30/10/2008 01:00:44 GMT Standard Time,  
billyzoom at billyzoom.com writes:

How do  you do long distance hauling in England?

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct 30 10:41:38 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:41:38 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <D7D65091C3774375A35F98974D575217@midget>
References: <49086E37.32659.13141B7@kk7ss.verizon.net>,
	<C52E5541.1A866%billyzoom@billyzoom.com><4908B2F5.26711.23DC684@kk7ss.verizon.net>
	<D7D65091C3774375A35F98974D575217@midget>
Message-ID: <026796856009483485952FE29F8708E9@AndrewHP>

>>> How do you do long distance hauling in England?

Yes, but think how often you have to stop to make pictures of all the rare
British cars!

Drew

My emails would make much more sense if there were a sarcasm emoticon.

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct 30 11:08:50 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:08:50 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <799knl$4traq6@email.mtu.edu>
References: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com><009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave><65A9E397-67CB-46B3-B6D0-27230A2774CA@comcast.net><BB52B8CD11A3442F9E9F0670B5BC845A@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<799knl$4traq6@email.mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <7200AFF2D5994D2F9916ECAC807C6DAA@AndrewHP>

>>My garage manager insists that dying fuel pumps are the result of people
>>not filling their fuel tanks until they are close to empty.

>Y're kidding, right? What else must one know to own/drive one of 
>those? Don't turn your lights on until it is absolutely dark 'cause 
>the bulbs will burn out?? Don't use your brakes to save the brake 
>light bulb? No, the pump thing falls on the side of being a poor 
>design or engineering or manufacturing defect. And, what are they 
>(the pumps) made of that makes them worth $600? That's alot of $ for 
>an electric motor.

Well, I recall a discussion a few weeks back about the dangers of starting a
1500 with the clutch depressed, also a discussion of how quickly shocks go
bad if not filled.  Yes, it is different, but we over look these quirks of
ownership in our babies; yet so many expect a modern car to never need a
second glance.  Tire pressure, ha!  Don't to up to the next dollar, urban
legend!  An MG sweats "rust inhibitor" from its engine, but a "new" car with
100,000 urban miles that leaves a quarter sized oils spot over the weekend
needs to be replaced.

Yes, I have heard this about the fuel pumps, from several mechanics.  Many
manuals advise to avoid running below 1/4.  I have heard that it also has to
do with the wetting and drying of the rubber parts in the pump.  Having
replaced several fuel pumps myself, it is not a hard job - if you can get to
the pump.  I usually do the job for under $100 in parts, and an hours time.
Now if the tank has to come down, then it's a real drag.  Have you looked
into doing the job yourself, Napa probably sells the pump for $39.99.

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct 30 11:12:11 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:12:11 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM? now Jeep ad
In-Reply-To: <20081030163508.A664A1878C7@autox.team.net>
References: <799knl$4traq6@email.mtu.edu>
	<20081030163508.A664A1878C7@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <5AD829650F3540DEB58F220D3CD5446F@AndrewHP>

How about the car insurance ads that feature race cars, but won't even cover
an autocross?

_____old Message________

Has anybody seen the new Jeep Wrangler ad on TV.  Weee up the hill, Weee
down the hill, Weee through the river.  What they don't mention is if you
take it off road your warranty is VOID.  Never seen a Wrangler ad where it
is on a road.
		Crash

Y're kidding, right? What else must one know to own/drive one of 
those? 

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct 30 11:13:36 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:13:36 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <C52F31F7.1A8A8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <COL110-W79A2148732B8F015D7E3FEA7210@phx.gbl>
	<C52F31F7.1A8A8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <29C66721C03D4F3EAC256E8B643771B1@AndrewHP>

>> lookin for an in expensimve upgrade to the front suspension
>How about a Miata.

How do you attach the Miata to the front?
_______________________________________________

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 30 11:20:51 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:20:51 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
References: <COL110-W79A2148732B8F015D7E3FEA7210@phx.gbl><C52F31F7.1A8A8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<29C66721C03D4F3EAC256E8B643771B1@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <1B5D40F8D1B94409AE2AAD2361E2CB57@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Payne" <andrewpayne at intrex.net>
To: "'Billy Zoom'" <billyzoom at billyzoom.com>; "'Nathan Causey'" 
<irish_32_ at hotmail.com>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] (no subject)


>> lookin for an in expensimve upgrade to the front suspension
>How about a Miata.

How do you attach the Miata to the front?
_______________________________________________

Duct tape.



Larry Daniels

79 MGB LE
60 Bugeye
67 Austin A60 Pickup "Miss Pent" Ute

"You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it
doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it
shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape."

From clmautz at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 11:23:12 2008
From: clmautz at gmail.com (clmautz at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:23:12 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM? now Jeep ad
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1225390973.3769.spridgets@autox.team.net>

Chrysler did that in the 90's for a while.  (Not honoring the warranty if the vehicle is used offroad)

Not anymore.  I have an 07 Wrangler 4x4 that would be covered.

I'm sure its within reason - if I sink it in a lake, they won't cover it I'm sure.

In my experience if the dealer is cool, they fix it regardless.  IE: the Jeep dealer in Moab wouldn't get away with it...

Never had to find out - never had one break offroad - '90, '99, '07 wranglers, '94 4x4 cherokee.

(They don't leak either)

Tread lightly folks!

Chip in GA
'65 spridget

------Original Message------
From: Andrew Payne
Sender: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
To: 'David Ramsey'
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM? now Jeep ad
Sent: Oct 30, 2008 2:12 PM

How about the car insurance ads that feature race cars, but won't even cover
an autocross?

_____old Message________

Has anybody seen the new Jeep Wrangler ad on TV.  Weee up the hill, Weee
down the hill, Weee through the river.  What they don't mention is if you
take it off road your warranty is VOID.  Never seen a Wrangler ad where it
is on a road.
		Crash

Y're kidding, right? What else must one know to own/drive one of 
those? 
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From cciaffone at verizon.net  Thu Oct 30 11:29:37 2008
From: cciaffone at verizon.net (chuck)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <cc7.435f3b43.363b4af1@aol.com>
References: <cc7.435f3b43.363b4af1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4909FD11.7040408@verizon.net>

<rant>
I drove Chebbies for years. Started with a '52, then a '57(my favorite)
then a '61 (huge and clubby compared to the '57), the a '67
Chevelle, and finally a '69 Chevelle. Keep in mind, these
were all bought new!  The last two really did it. Quality
was crap. Engines were crap, especially compared to
the '57 283. Useful life span was maybe a few years.

Early pollution control devices really screwed up those
'60s engines.

And remember the under-the-hood manual shifting linkages??
They NEVER fixed that problem. Shift too quick from first to
second, and the disks jammed. Like you were in first, but
the lever was floating and useless. Had to stop, raise the hood,
and fiddle the disks to get going again.

Anyway, after those last two I swore I would never drive another
American car again. I lied. Twenty years later I started
on Hondas (yes, made in the US or A!). These cars I keep
on average about 11-12 years per. Now I admit, the Midget
gets most of the driving. Our '97 Civic has all of 50k miles.
The 72 Midge, well over 120k.

Pardon my French, but screw the chebbies!
</rant>

chuck (t'other chuck)

From andrewpayne at intrex.net  Thu Oct 30 11:36:43 2008
From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:36:43 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <cf0.4708f8b7.363b3f81@aol.com>
References: <cf0.4708f8b7.363b3f81@aol.com>
Message-ID: <112E67C723844C779F28994CB93BB852@AndrewHP>

As someone who has flipped a Midget, I also recommend installing a roll bar
just in case the anti-roll bar is not enough.

Drew
_______________
Check to see if it has an anti-roll bar and if it hasn't fit one.

W e s l a k e 1330

From kentmclean at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 11:57:19 2008
From: kentmclean at comcast.net (kentmclean at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:57:19 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
Message-ID: <103020081857.22910.490A038F0006205C0000597E2216551406020E0A040C039B020A05@comcast.net>

Glen Byrns wrote:
> One can argue all day that today's "American" cars are the equal of imports. 
> The consumer, the only one whose vote actually counts, has left the polling 
> booth.  After decades of sub-standard fare, it will be a long time before 
> any trust can be regained and it will take a quality product, not a quality 
> argument.

It can happen. "Made in Japan" once (1950s) meant a cheap,
inferior product. Attention to detail and focus on quality made 
them #1 in perceived quality.  The US auto industry is getting 
there -- maybe it is a matter of convincing the consumer and
changing their perception. "Made in China" may someday mean
a quality product, too. (Hi, Frank!)

Part of GM's (and the US auto industry) problem is the $1500+
built into every car they sell to cover the health benefits of 
its employees [1]. All else being equal, the GM car will cost
you $1500 more. Or they'll have to remove $1500 of content
(cheaper materials, cheaper stereos, etc) to match the price
of the comparable Japanese automobile. Or figure out some 
combination of cheaper content and higher price.

[1] <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102002078.html>

--
Kent McLean
'59 100 BN2

From tinydog at snet.net  Thu Oct 30 12:13:22 2008
From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:13:22 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <103020081857.22910.490A038F0006205C0000597E2216551406020E0A040C039B020A05@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <103020081913.29960.490A07510009366B0000750822243323629B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>

tinydog wez:

There is little hope for GM.

They have always designed and marketed products for yesterday's GM buyer.

While consumers and sons and daughters of GM buyers gravitated toward Japanese and German brands, GM pumped-out fat sedans and oversize coupes. GM's idea of a sporty car were the incredibly large Firebird and Camaro.

GM dragged it's feet to light, fuel efficient, performance oriented cars. They never saw an SUV or heavy vehicle they didn't like.

GM has lacked foresight for decades. They rode the wave of their dying client until it didn't exist anymore. (Look at the demographics of the Buick owner.)

Glen's message is directly on-point. 

GM has two divisions: Chevrolet and Cadillac. They need-to, or will certainly be forced-to consolidate the others. 

Ford is in a similar position. There is no reason for the Mercury line to exist and they have basically put a stake through the heart of Lincoln by marketing Lincoln SUV's and trucks.

They did it to themselves with the help of the UAW.



 -------------- Original message from kentmclean at comcast.net: --------------


> Glen Byrns wrote:
> > One can argue all day that today's "American" cars are the equal of imports. 
> > The consumer, the only one whose vote actually counts, has left the polling 
> > booth.  After decades of sub-standard fare, it will be a long time before 
> > any trust can be regained and it will take a quality product, not a quality 
> > argument.
> 
> It can happen. "Made in Japan" once (1950s) meant a cheap,
> inferior product. Attention to detail and focus on quality made 
> them #1 in perceived quality.  The US auto industry is getting 
> there 

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 13:27:11 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:27:11 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <e98d88090810301003n71e11113vd5b1e0eecd59ceef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0894C4445A2F49DBAB0902249BD460A9@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e98d88090810301003n71e11113vd5b1e0eecd59ceef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810301327k68e8e4c0gf1e86804176c8659@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad at gmail.com>wrote:
<snips>

> Scott was
> influential in both of those, as well as playing with Steve Earle for a
> short while.


Cool!!  I didn't know the father of the Corvette played music too!!   Wow!

Cheers!!
Jim

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 13:39:17 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:39:17 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <490A1B75.70309@comcast.net>

Ron Soave wrote:
>
> I think that was actually the Chevy Citation (maybe Chevette too, I forget), which was so bad a lot of people don't even remember it existed. 
Ah yes, the Chebby Shove-it. My Dad bought one brand new, he still had 2 
payments to go when the junk man towed it to the bone yard. It lasted a 
full 34 months before it was junk.
He never owned another GM product because of that.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From jmj3351 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 14:32:06 2008
From: jmj3351 at comcast.net (jmj3351 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <490A1B75.70309@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <992098402.656311225402326137.JavaMail.root@sz0087a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I currently know a fellow who has 400,000 miles on his Chevette.B  He very
recentlyB installed the second engine .B  Go Figure.



JMJ - Green 1500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Clarici" <spritenut at comcast.net>
To: soavero at yahoo.com
Cc: "Spridget List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:39:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?

Ron Soave wrote:
>
> I think that was actually the Chevy Citation (maybe Chevette too, I forget),
which was so bad a lot of people don't even remember it existed.
Ah yes, the Chebby Shove-it. My Dad bought one brand new, he still had 2
payments to go when the junk man towed it to the bone yard. It lasted a
full 34 months before it was junk.
He never owned another GM product because of that.

--
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 30 14:44:28 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:44:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
References: <0894C4445A2F49DBAB0902249BD460A9@NilesAD.von.gov><476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com><e98d88090810301003n71e11113vd5b1e0eecd59ceef@mail.gmail.com>
	<43840a7e0810301327k68e8e4c0gf1e86804176c8659@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <195EE74EBBF14E0BA634A1B46750A921@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>

> Scott was
> influential in both of those, as well as playing with Steve Earle for a
> short while.


Cool!!  I didn't know the father of the Corvette played music too!!   Wow!

Cheers!!
Jim
_______________________________________________
You were perhaps thinking of Harley Earl

LAD
ex-65 Corvette Convertible

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Oct 30 15:49:40 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:49:40 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1B5D40F8D1B94409AE2AAD2361E2CB57@Larry>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNEEDLEHAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Tsk, tsk LAD !!!

<<Duct tape.>>

You FORGOT 'baling wire' !!!!  Oh, the shame of it all!!  TSK, TSK !

Me

PS:  But the "real" 'answer' is jack up the radiator caps, and swap.
Job complete<G>!

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 30 14:51:18 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:51:18 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
References: <0894C4445A2F49DBAB0902249BD460A9@NilesAD.von.gov><476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com><e98d88090810301003n71e11113vd5b1e0eecd59ceef@mail.gmail.com><43840a7e0810301327k68e8e4c0gf1e86804176c8659@mail.gmail.com>
	<195EE74EBBF14E0BA634A1B46750A921@Larry>
Message-ID: <F1ACF0424DB44105992DEF454BFEB326@Larry>

Cool! Send the message out once; it comes back twice!  That's efficiency!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
Cc: "Spridget List" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>

> Scott was
> influential in both of those, as well as playing with Steve Earle for a
> short while.


Cool!!  I didn't know the father of the Corvette played music too!!   Wow!

Cheers!!
Jim
_______________________________________________
You were perhaps thinking of Harley Earl

LAD
ex-65 Corvette Convertible
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From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 15:16:04 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:16:04 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] old commercials (Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <195EE74EBBF14E0BA634A1B46750A921@Larry>
References: <0894C4445A2F49DBAB0902249BD460A9@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<476388.26447.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e98d88090810301003n71e11113vd5b1e0eecd59ceef@mail.gmail.com>
	<43840a7e0810301327k68e8e4c0gf1e86804176c8659@mail.gmail.com>
	<195EE74EBBF14E0BA634A1B46750A921@Larry>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810301516kd820f13n3fc366be058d252a@mail.gmail.com>

Steve - Harley - Whatever.......

No sneaking anything past you is there, LAD? The trouble with email is that
you can't see how far the author has his tongue buried in his cheek...   ;-)

Cheers!!!
Jim

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Johnson" <bmwwxman at gmail.com>
>
> > Scott was
> > influential in both of those, as well as playing with Steve Earle for a
> > short while.
>
>
> Cool!!  I didn't know the father of the Corvette played music too!!   Wow!
>
> Cheers!!
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> You were perhaps thinking of Harley Earl
>
> LAD
> ex-65 Corvette Convertible

From vern at srvinet.com  Thu Oct 30 16:59:54 2008
From: vern at srvinet.com (Vernon Olson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:59:54 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 engine
Message-ID: <490A4A7A.8050504@srvinet.com>

I have a Nash Metro and it has an ah 1500 engine.  Does anyone know if
parts are interchangeable between this engine and the midget 1500?
I see the parts seem to be more expensive if supplied for the Nash.
Vern

From pythias at pacifier.com  Thu Oct 30 17:02:13 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:02:13 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 engine
In-Reply-To: <490A4A7A.8050504@srvinet.com>
References: <490A4A7A.8050504@srvinet.com>
Message-ID: <178327794.20081030170213@pacifier.com>

Hello Vernon,

     Someone told me that the Metropolitan engine is the same as the
     MGA....

     haven't verified it, ... maybe we'll both find out soon...


     list?

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Pretend to spank me - I'm a pseudo-masochist!

From wbmcleod at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 17:09:44 2008
From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 engine
In-Reply-To: <490A4A7A.8050504@srvinet.com>
References: <490A4A7A.8050504@srvinet.com>
Message-ID: <AF029E97-DE47-4FEB-B8E1-290C042DA5E7@gmail.com>

The Nash Metropolitan actually took a variant on the MGA 1500 engine.   
The Spridget engine was totally different.  The only major difference  
between the MGA and the Nash engine was the lack of a tach drive hole  
on the Nash.  You can use any MGA engine, and can probably stuff in an  
MGB engine.  Regards, Bill

On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Vernon Olson wrote:

> I have a Nash Metro and it has an ah 1500 engine.  Does anyone know if
> parts are interchangeable between this engine and the midget 1500?
> I see the parts seem to be more expensive if supplied for the Nash.
> Vern
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From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Thu Oct 30 17:10:06 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 engine
References: <490A4A7A.8050504@srvinet.com>
	<178327794.20081030170213@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <AB1D2B612C8D4070B1C7A1DB56595EAD@midget>

>     Someone told me that the Metropolitan engine is the same as the
>     MGA....
>
>     haven't verified it, ... maybe we'll both find out soon...

That was my understanding as well. At least to the extent that it
is a B-series engine. IIRC it is severely "de-tuned" in terms of compression 
and valves. The MGA engine would be considered an upgrade.
David Lieb 

From healeyrick at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 17:47:36 2008
From: healeyrick at yahoo.com (Rick Neville)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:47:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Tach Drive Gearbox
Message-ID: <409654.77647.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

My old one gave up the ghost and I found a NOS one on eBay.  These are getting
tough to find and spendy to replace.  Any maintenance tips to keep it working
for a long time?  I've got the kind that can be disasembled.

Rick

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct 30 18:10:24 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:10:24 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <29C66721C03D4F3EAC256E8B643771B1@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <C52FA910.1A8E7%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>>> lookin for an in expensimve upgrade to the front suspension
>> How about a Miata.
> 
> How do you attach the Miata to the front?
Sorry...I thought it said EXPENSIVE UPGRADE.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct 30 18:14:42 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:14:42 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <103020081857.22910.490A038F0006205C0000597E2216551406020E0A040C039B020A05@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C52FAA12.1A8E8%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> Part of GM's (and the US auto industry) problem is the $1500+
> built into every car they sell to cover the health benefits of
> its employees [1]. All else being equal, the GM car will cost
> you $1500 more. Or they'll have to remove $1500 of content
> (cheaper materials, cheaper stereos, etc) to match the price
> of the comparable Japanese automobile. Or figure out some
> combination of cheaper content and higher price.
But almost all of our Hondas and Toyotas are made here, or in Mexico...just
like the American brands. I'll admit a Mexican Honda isn't as good as a
Japanese Honda, but they're still head and shoulders above anything GM
makes.

From dlh2001 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 18:18:09 2008
From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:18:09 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
References: <103020081913.29960.490A07510009366B0000750822243323629B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
Message-ID: <3E8A9E54B8C94C30AE9FAA67D070E882@blackbox2>

> Ford is in a similar position. There is no reason for the Mercury line to exist and they have basically put a stake through the 
> heart of Lincoln by marketing >Lincoln SUV's and trucks.

I disagree.  Ford is not nearly as over branded as GM is/was.

GM has historically been far worse off.  They have seperate divisions developing product independently.

A good case in point was back in the 80's when electronic engine controls were being phased in.
GM had each division develop it's own engine control.   Ford unified with the EECIV across all platforms.

Mercury is just an upscale rebadging with more options.  We all know that.

I actually hope GM bites the dust.

So, who wants to bet that the Volt never happens?
Who the heck advertises a car to be availible in 2010?  Answer...A company that won't be around by then.

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Thu Oct 30 18:21:45 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:21:45 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <103020081913.29960.490A07510009366B0000750822243323629B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net>
Message-ID: <C52FABB9.1A8EA%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

> products for yesterday's GM buyer
Yesterday's Chevy buyer? Chevy didn't even have pressure oiling or
replaceable bearings until the mid-fifties...twenty years behind Ford.
And how about those torque tubes? It wasn't fun pulling the entire rear axle
housing and suspension just to replace a U-joint, only to have big pieces
break off the bell housing as you put it all back together. GM buyers have
always been a peculiar lot.
BZ

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 18:24:51 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:24:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Tach Drive Gearbox
In-Reply-To: <409654.77647.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <409654.77647.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <490A5E63.3080407@comcast.net>

Rick Neville wrote:
> My old one gave up the ghost and I found a NOS one on eBay.  These are getting
> tough to find and spendy to replace.  Any maintenance tips to keep it working
> for a long time?  

3 in 1 oil (or any good sewing machine type oil)

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 19:01:22 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:01:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 engine
In-Reply-To: <AB1D2B612C8D4070B1C7A1DB56595EAD@midget>
Message-ID: <769427.40562.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> wrote: "The MGA
engine would be considered an upgrade."
 
I'm pretty sure another source for that engine is the Magnette.  If anybody is
interested, I have a friend with 1500 engine sitting on a stand in his
garage.  It is from an old Magnette.  The car was a rusty hulk which he's
parting out, but the engine was apparenlty in very good rebuildable shape.
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Thu Oct 30 19:06:54 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:06:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
Message-ID: <345901c93afd$58bba840$0168010a@mail2world.com>

True, and it probably has more to do with how the company runs the
plants. Are any of the import branded US factories unionized?

Honda et al don't have a generation of retirees to support, as the Big 3
do (per UAW contract). I'm sure that's money that goes right in to
building beter product.


-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Billy Zoom [billyzoom at billyzoom.com]
>Sent: 10/30/2008 8:15:42 PM
>To: kentmclean at comcast.net;spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: Re: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
>
>> Part of GM's (and the US auto industry) problem is the $1500+
>> built into every car they sell to cover the health benefits of
>> its employees [1]. All else being equal, the GM car will cost
>> you $1500 more. Or they'll have to remove $1500 of content
>> (cheaper materials, cheaper stereos, etc) to match the price
>> of the comparable Japanese automobile. Or figure out some
>> combination of cheaper content and higher price.
>But almost all of our Hondas and Toyotas are made here, or in
Mexico...just
>like the American brands. I'll admit a Mexican Honda isn't as good as a
>Japanese Honda, but they're still head and shoulders above anything GM
>makes.
>_______________________________________________
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From soavero at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 19:08:27 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay Bugeye FS by bad speller
Message-ID: <500803.31400.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

www.ebay.com Item number: 180302925896

Is this the Rob Garofalo car????? Phil Nase - near you, right? Do you know it?

Ron

From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Thu Oct 30 19:10:05 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:10:05 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
Message-ID: <8f4001c93afd$caaeccc0$116a010a@mail2world.com>

And we're not that different, driving cars built with kingpin front
suspensions and lever shocks at the end of the 70's. I'd say we're a
peculiar lot too. :)

-=Chris

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Billy Zoom [billyzoom at billyzoom.com]
>Sent: 10/30/2008 8:22:45 PM
>To: tinydog at snet.net;spridgets at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
>
>> products for yesterday's GM buyer
>Yesterday's Chevy buyer? Chevy didn't even have pressure oiling or
>replaceable bearings until the mid-fifties...twenty years behind Ford.
>And how about those torque tubes? It wasn't fun pulling the entire rear
axle
>housing and suspension just to replace a U-joint, only to have big
pieces
>break off the bell housing as you put it all back together. GM buyers
have
>always been a peculiar lot.
>BZ
>_ 

From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 19:44:04 2008
From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:44:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] Stripes for a square body... Opinions wanted
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20081030075400.00d2f440@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <90920.44642.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Bob Spruck <mgmaven at bellsouth.net> wrote: "I put
temporary stripes on my ' 67 vintage racer using toilet paper!"
 
Bob,
What a great idea!  I have some paper I "borrowed" from my son that is about
12.5" wide I was planning to cut it down to various widths, but TP is a way
better idea.  With a couple of them on each stripe, I can adjust width quickly
and go back and forth between sizes easily.  I'm currently leaning toward two
roughly 8" stripes maybe somewhere around 4" apart, but I'll also try your 6"
stripes 2" apart layout. 
 
This is going to make it so much easier to figure out.  I'm also leaning
toward BRG for stripe color to contrast nicely wtih my white car.  We could
end up with negative twin cars...
 
Thanks!
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 19:50:04 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:50:04 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Update 2
Message-ID: <490A725C.6050806@comcast.net>

Part 2

   So I think I am in good shape for next weekend when all the people 
flock to NJ to put this Holy Project back together again.
BTW the paint buffed up beautifully! I am dying to put it back together 
as I am tripping over boxes of parts, stacks of tires, rear ends, 
steering racks, and a pile of panels all over the garage. I did put on 
the bonnet props to replace the 2x6 I have been using to hold it open, I 
bolted in the wiper motor because the rack was forever in the way up in 
the garage, and I already mentioned why I installed the fuel pump. 
Carpet and panels will be a leaning experience next weekend for all.
The engine has rebuilt never fired up carbs so that should be 
interesting. Tranny is of unknown condition sort of like the engine.
All the brakes are new and I will be using DOT 4 in this car not 
silicone like all the rest. Just to keep things simple for Fr Jack.
No brake parts have been installed so the pipes need to be installed, 
and everything that connects to them.
Lots of work to do in a weekend and I'm sure we will find a missing item 
or 2 as we proceed but I would really like to see
Father Jack drive his Sprite out of my garage Sunday. He has to be the 
first to drive it then we can work out any bugs.
A word of advice to all who are coming to assemble the car.....If YOU 
start the nut, bolt, or screw, YOU make sure it is tightened up before 
proceeding to the next bolt. too many people will be working on too many 
things at the same time, there can be no "I'll get back to it later" and 
then you go home 1000 miles away and never told anybody you "forgot" to 
tighten the rear axle nuts or something like that.
See you all next weekend Nov 8th

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From spritenut at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 19:49:56 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:49:56 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Update 1
Message-ID: <490A7254.2040709@comcast.net>

This was too large for the list, part one

I think everything is ready to go. As I have been cleaning, painting, 
and powder coating bits, I noticed a few items I forgot
like defrost tubes, but I had a set of good ones. Door pockets, so I 
made a set. Heater core, good thing I have a crate full ;)
The tires came in and are mounted on powder coated rims, all checked out 
OK.
Steering rack is oiled and ready as is the rear axle but that still 
needs some parts bolted to it like brakes, axles, and seals.
I made some adjustments to the face of the fuel gauge and it checks out 
OK now, thanks for the replies on that issue but I ended up moving the 
face of the dial just a bit so it reads correct empty and full.
Fuel pump tested and mounted, not plumbed, you guys can do that. I had 
to mount it because we forgot to weld a stud in for it so I used a 
carriage bolt and now I can proceed with cutting the carpet close and 
cover that carriage bolt.
All the interior panels are made and ready to be installed. Seats are 
back and look great, Walt did up his prices a little, $35 more per seat 
but he did make me new seat pans and covered the seats for $330 total.
The entire interior for this Bugeye cast $630. Up from $450 a couple 
years ago but there was a minor problem with the carpet.
I ordered 6 yds because the last time the rug came 40" wide x 36" per 
yard. This time it came 72" x 36" per yard so I have enough to do 
another Sprite in blue. 3 yds @ 72" wide would have done it. I also have 
a couple extra yds of vinyl so the shop can make a tonneau cover to 
match the interior. Probably $100 in extra material from the last couple 
of Sprites I did so in reality, the interior cost $530, up $80 from last 
year. (due to the increased cost in petroleum products yada, yada, yada,)
   I have a bunch or receipts to still total up but I think  the entire 
restoration will be right around the $5000.00 mark.
Again, up from last year when I did my 67 for about $4500.
Contributions total just a hair over $2000. So if anybody wants to 
donate, fell free.
   Fr Jack did "pray" for a couple of things he really wanted like a 
wood shift knob and chrome air cleaners. His prayers were answered.

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From davriker at nwi.net  Thu Oct 30 20:19:14 2008
From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:19:14 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
References: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com><009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave><65A9E397-67CB-46B3-B6D0-27230A2774CA@comcast.net><BB52B8CD11A3442F9E9F0670B5BC845A@NilesAD.von.gov><799knl$4traq6@email.mtu.edu>
	<7200AFF2D5994D2F9916ECAC807C6DAA@AndrewHP>
Message-ID: <22320631E67B404FB879E134C2405A7D@dave>

GM just released a TSB that the Silverado, Tahoe, and Suburban with 5.3 
engines will idle for extended periods of time on a completely empty tank. 
The fumes in the tank are enough to keep the engine going at idle (hows that 
for efficient).  However, doing so WILL burn up the fuel pump.  That was the 
point of the TSB.  Empty fuel tanks are bad.

Dave R.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Payne" <andrewpayne at intrex.net>
To: "'Timothy H. Collins'" <thcollin at mtu.edu>; "'David Lieb'" 
<dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>; "'Spridget List'" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?


>>>My garage manager insists that dying fuel pumps are the result of people
>>>not filling their fuel tanks until they are close to empty.
>
>>Y're kidding, right? What else must one know to own/drive one of
>>those? Don't turn your lights on until it is absolutely dark 'cause
>>the bulbs will burn out?? Don't use your brakes to save the brake
>>light bulb? No, the pump thing falls on the side of being a poor
>>design or engineering or manufacturing defect. And, what are they
>>(the pumps) made of that makes them worth $600? That's alot of $ for
>>an electric motor.
>
>
> Yes, I have heard this about the fuel pumps, from several mechanics.  Many
> manuals advise to avoid running below 1/4.  I have heard that it also has 
> to
> do with the wetting and drying of the rubber parts in the pump.  Having
> replaced several fuel pumps myself, it is not a hard job - if you can get 
> to
> the pump.  I usually do the job for under $100 in parts, and an hours 
> time.
> Now if the tank has to come down, then it's a real drag.  Have you looked
> into doing the job yourself, Napa probably sells the pump for $39.99.

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Oct 30 21:28:36 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:28:36 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Update 1
In-Reply-To: <490A7254.2040709@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNMEENEHAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<I have a bunch or receipts to still total up but I think  the entire 
restoration will be right around the $5000.00 mark.>>

STILL INEXPENSIVE and GREAT work!!!!  PRE-congrats<G>!!

2 things, Frank.  

Where do the dollars from Nory's purchase come in??

Have the 'Haulers' received any of their reimbursements??

Good luck and you guys (and gals??) going!!!!

Ed

From mhagopian at hoppetool.com  Thu Oct 30 21:36:18 2008
From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:36:18 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] 5spd
Message-ID: <87a1f55d0810302136k600f1d56h57a1c4e41c1647ee@mail.gmail.com>

What 5spd can you use for the conversion? I dont want to spend 3500 on the
conversion.. I can make a bell housing

-- 
Sincerely,


Matt Hagopian

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Oct 30 22:53:28 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] no LBC but crazy
Message-ID: <490A9D58.1030009@wi.net>

Couldn't resist:

Doesn't look like NJ or IL  definitely NOT WI

How not to get out of a speeding ticket; probably won't look good in 
court, either... 

     
    http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/how-not-to-get-out-of-a-speeding-ticket/

From bmwwxman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 22:55:14 2008
From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:55:14 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
In-Reply-To: <22320631E67B404FB879E134C2405A7D@dave>
References: <C52E66E7.1A868%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
	<009E8BB16C3F422C84EF78069FF6C3AC@dave>
	<65A9E397-67CB-46B3-B6D0-27230A2774CA@comcast.net>
	<BB52B8CD11A3442F9E9F0670B5BC845A@NilesAD.von.gov>
	<799knl$4traq6@email.mtu.edu>
	<7200AFF2D5994D2F9916ECAC807C6DAA@AndrewHP>
	<22320631E67B404FB879E134C2405A7D@dave>
Message-ID: <43840a7e0810302255r71933800md9bfc4eee49b5d62@mail.gmail.com>

Charming news, Dave.  We have a Silverado with the 5.3 ltr.  Of course they
didn't bother to notify us!  Thanks for letting us know!

Cheers!!
Jim

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM, David Riker <davriker at nwi.net> wrote:

> GM just released a TSB that the Silverado, Tahoe, and Suburban with 5.3
> engines will idle for extended periods of time on a completely empty tank.
> The fumes in the tank are enough to keep the engine going at idle (hows that
> for efficient).  However, doing so WILL burn up the fuel pump.  That was the
> point of the TSB.  Empty fuel tanks are bad.
>
> Dave R.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Payne" <andrewpayne at intrex.net>
> To: "'Timothy H. Collins'" <thcollin at mtu.edu>; "'David Lieb'" <
> dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>; "'Spridget List'" <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope...for GM?
>
>
>  My garage manager insists that dying fuel pumps are the result of people
>>>> not filling their fuel tanks until they are close to empty.
>>>>
>>>
>>  Y're kidding, right? What else must one know to own/drive one of
>>> those? Don't turn your lights on until it is absolutely dark 'cause
>>> the bulbs will burn out?? Don't use your brakes to save the brake
>>> light bulb? No, the pump thing falls on the side of being a poor
>>> design or engineering or manufacturing defect. And, what are they
>>> (the pumps) made of that makes them worth $600? That's alot of $ for
>>> an electric motor.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I have heard this about the fuel pumps, from several mechanics.  Many
>> manuals advise to avoid running below 1/4.  I have heard that it also has
>> to
>> do with the wetting and drying of the rubber parts in the pump.  Having
>> replaced several fuel pumps myself, it is not a hard job - if you can get
>> to
>> the pump.  I usually do the job for under $100 in parts, and an hours
>> time.
>> Now if the tank has to come down, then it's a real drag.  Have you looked
>> into doing the job yourself, Napa probably sells the pump for $39.99.
>>
> _______________________________________________

From rrengineer at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct 30 22:59:05 2008
From: rrengineer at dslextreme.com (rrengineer @dslextreme.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:59:05 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay Bugeye FS by bad speller
In-Reply-To: <500803.31400.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <500803.31400.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d49b03130810302259j33aa3a9bj6cc268ce3c357468@mail.gmail.com>

I do not believe this is the Garafalo car.  I have seen his car close up and
photographed it extensively for my restoration.  Rob thought he was quite
the expert, but I found several "mistakes" in his car.  He put it up for
sale because the caustic acid dip that he had stripped the car with was
causing rust in all the seams.  It was most pronounced under the bonnet on
the headlight pod rims.  Rust could actually be seen poking out at the
horizontal seam next to the grill on the outside of the car.  If he had
waited any longer he would not have got much of a price for his rust
bucket.  If anyone goes to look at this car look under the hood at the
headlights for rust.  There are several things on this car that differ from
Rob's car.  The tripod headlights were not on rob's car.  He also had a
complete ribbed rubber carpet set that had permanent bends in it from being
in the original box for so many years.  The tunnel piece on the Ebay car
looks like crap.  I can dig out the pictures I took if anyone is that
interested.
Mike MacLean
60 Sprite

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ron Soave <soavero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> www.ebay.com Item number: 180302925896
>
> Is this the Rob Garofalo car????? Phil Nase - near you, right? Do you know
> it?
>
> Ron

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Oct 30 22:58:58 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:58:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Tach Drive Gearbox
In-Reply-To: <409654.77647.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <409654.77647.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <490A9EA2.3000305@wi.net>

Rick,

Like Frank said.  A few drops of light weight oil will keep it going.  
If the shaft wears eccentric (like some folks I know) you can get it 
re-sleeved at a competent machine shop.  I've had two done at it's been 
6 years on one.....I just jinxed it didn't I?  Crap.

Dave
59 :{)
Burlington WI


Rick Neville wrote:
> My old one gave up the ghost and I found a NOS one on eBay.  These are getting
> tough to find and spendy to replace.  Any maintenance tips to keep it working
> for a long time?  I've got the kind that can be disasembled.
>
> Rick

From pythias at pacifier.com  Thu Oct 30 23:00:52 2008
From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:00:52 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] no LBC but crazy
In-Reply-To: <490A9D58.1030009@wi.net>
References: <490A9D58.1030009@wi.net>
Message-ID: <1092715009.20081030230052@pacifier.com>

Hello David,

     Another way NOT to get out of the ticket...


     When the officer comes up to the window and asks

     "Do you why I pulled you over?" .. do NOT SAY

     "Did YOU forget already?

-- 
Best regards,
 Bill L.                           mailto:pythias at pacifier.com
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
  Heard on Noahs' ark:  Sailing is fun, but scrubbing the decks is aardvark.

From soavero at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 05:03:14 2008
From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spridgets] no LBC but crazy
In-Reply-To: <1092715009.20081030230052@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <58523.72094.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Bill L <pythias at pacifier.com> wrote:
>      Another way NOT to get out of the ticket...
>      When the officer comes up to the window and asks

Also, when you're on your honeymoon and are practicing handbrake turns on the off-ramp at 80 mph, when the officer says:

"You're on your honeymoon? Do you want to send your new wife home in a box?", 

do not answer 

"You can do that?"

Ron

From nases at verizon.net  Fri Oct 31 06:43:29 2008
From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:43:29 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay Bugeye FS by bad speller
In-Reply-To: <500803.31400.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <500803.31400.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95D645A4-BE10-4B10-864A-6CA076FA2A2A@verizon.net>

It looks nice but I don't know the car or recognize the seller.  I  
thought I knew all the local bugeyes but not this one.

Did someone steal Dave Woerpels car?

Phil Nase
Quakertown, PA
http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/



On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Ron Soave wrote:

> 180302925896

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Fri Oct 31 08:00:44 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:00:44 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay Bugeye and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <95D645A4-BE10-4B10-864A-6CA076FA2A2A@verizon.net>
References: <500803.31400.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<95D645A4-BE10-4B10-864A-6CA076FA2A2A@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <490B1D9C.2050304@wi.net>

I had to go look in the garage but mines still here!  That's a good 
looking car!  Needs some touch up and his center mat is in better 
condition.  Ron Garofalo's had a grill protector on the front and, just 
to see if the "Gold" judges at conclave knew what they were doing, he 
installed the front wheel brake cylinder interconnect pipe inverted on 
each side. (They didn't catch it.)  When I was at his house he had all 
sorts of original stuff I wish he would've parted with.  I hadn't heard 
the story about the rust issue.  Glad I didn't get mine dipped.  I 
wanted to involve my son so we stripped it by hand and rinsed everything 
as we went along.

Phil, if it's still around we may have to go find it on my way to 
Frank's next week!

BTW, Thanks to all who sent suggestions regarding me not able to email 
Frank.  Seems my IP was being blocked by Comcast.
Comcast determined wi.net was spam.................hmmmmm, maybe they're 
correct.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled .......
Dave
59 :{)
Burlington WI


Phil Nase wrote:
> It looks nice but I don't know the car or recognize the seller.  I 
> thought I knew all the local bugeyes but not this one.
>
> Did someone steal Dave Woerpels car?
>
> Phil Nase
> Quakertown, PA
> http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/

From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Oct 31 08:19:52 2008
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:19:52 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay Bugeye and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <490B1D9C.2050304@wi.net>
References: <500803.31400.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<95D645A4-BE10-4B10-864A-6CA076FA2A2A@verizon.net>
	<490B1D9C.2050304@wi.net>
Message-ID: <200810310719232.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>

At 10:00 AM 10/31/2008, David Woerpel wrote:
>BTW, Thanks to all who sent suggestions regarding me not able to 
>email Frank.  Seems my IP was being blocked by Comcast.
>Comcast determined wi.net was spam.................hmmmmm, maybe 
>they're correct.
====
Spam, no.... cheese, yes.


ED 

From robertduquette at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 31 08:29:59 2008
From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:29:59 +0000
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?
In-Reply-To: <103020081857.22910.490A038F0006205C0000597E2216551406020E0A040C039B020A05@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY112-F3477F474CCDC6058EF33ACB8200@phx.gbl>

Probably an import duty will be added to level the field ??  :)

----Original Message Follows----
From: kentmclean at comcast.net
Part of GM's (and the US auto industry) problem is the $1500+
built into every car they sell to cover the health benefits of
its employees [1]. All else being equal, the GM car will cost
you $1500 more. Or they'll have to remove $1500 of content
(cheaper materials, cheaper stereos, etc) to match the price
of the comparable Japanese automobile. Or figure out some
combination of cheaper content and higher price.

From mark at nashvilletn.org  Fri Oct 31 08:46:01 2008
From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:46:01 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?  Pontiac/Holden G8
References: <BAY112-F3477F474CCDC6058EF33ACB8200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5C1A9B298FF74A509518BAD40CA7E4A2@Dell9200>

Speaking of GM, Does anybody have any stories about the new Pontiac G8, 
looks like fun to me!  400+ HP, LS3 and I understand soon to have a 6 speed 
manual Tremec.  0-60 under 5 sec and 4000 lbs......



----- Original Message ----- 


Probably an import duty will be added to level the field ??  :)

From billyzoom at billyzoom.com  Fri Oct 31 09:06:58 2008
From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?  Pontiac/Holden G8
In-Reply-To: <5C1A9B298FF74A509518BAD40CA7E4A2@Dell9200>
Message-ID: <C5307B32.1A92A%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>

>  and 4000 lbs......
That pretty much sums it up.

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Fri Oct 31 09:26:58 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:26:58 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?  Pontiac/Holden G8
References: <BAY112-F3477F474CCDC6058EF33ACB8200@phx.gbl>
	<5C1A9B298FF74A509518BAD40CA7E4A2@Dell9200>
Message-ID: <3E4D5DD0D7EB4EA4986978098452E34A@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Speaking of GM, Does anybody have any stories about the new Pontiac G8,
> looks like fun to me!  400+ HP, LS3 and I understand soon to have a 6 
> speed
> manual Tremec.  0-60 under 5 sec and 4000 lbs......

I believe that was featured on the Australian edition of Top Gear a couple
episodes ago. Didn't handle too badly for a 4000lb Pontiac/Holden... 

From cclabaw at juno.com  Fri Oct 31 10:16:36 2008
From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:16:36 GMT
Subject: [Spridgets] 1500 engine
Message-ID: <20081031.101636.21143.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

The Nash Metro used a low-compression, single-carb version of the BMC 1500,
also used in some Austins.  The Magnette motor was very close to the MGA.  The
Metro also came with a 3-speed gearbox with a column (actually dashboard)
shifter.

Clay L.
'67 Sprite


-- David Booker <tncarnut1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, David Lieb <dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com> wrote: "The MGA
engine would be considered an upgrade."

I'm pretty sure another source for that engine is the Magnette.  If anybody
is
interested, I have a friend with 1500 engine sitting on a stand in his
garage.  It is from an old Magnette.  The car was a rusty hulk which he's
parting out, but the engine was apparenlty in very good rebuildable shape.
 - David Booker
'71 Midget
Long Island
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From cbking at alum.rpi.edu  Fri Oct 31 10:59:43 2008
From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:59:43 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?  Pontiac/Holden G8
Message-ID: <1d5b701c93b82$73ebf2c0$116a010a@mail2world.com>

Isn't the new Camaro also based on this platform?

Chris King
http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ 

 <-----Original Message----->

 	  	 From: Mark [mark at nashvilletn.org]
Sent: 10/31/2008 10:44:01 AM
To: spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Hope for GM? Pontiac/Holden G8 

Speaking of GM, Does anybody have any stories about the new Pontiac G8, 
looks like fun to me! 400+ HP, LS3 and I understand soon to have a 6
speed 
manual Tremec. 0-60 under 5 sec and 4000 lbs...... 

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Fri Oct 31 11:07:25 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:07:25 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Hope for GM?  Pontiac/Holden G8
References: <1d5b701c93b82$73ebf2c0$116a010a@mail2world.com>
Message-ID: <67CB4CF54311495F8E5EA86C4D6FA720@NilesAD.von.gov>

> Speaking of GM, Does anybody have any stories about the new Pontiac G8,
> looks like fun to me! 400+ HP, LS3 and I understand soon to have a 6
> speed
> manual Tremec. 0-60 under 5 sec and 4000 lbs......

Oh yes, the Australian Top Gear crew found that the radio antenna had a 
tendancy to start beating on the roof when driven at super-legal speeds ;-) 

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Oct 31 13:57:09 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:57:09 -0600
Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay Bugeye and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <200810310719232.SM11356@peter-3a08809cc.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEHPEHAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Spam, no.... cheese, yes.

ED>>

If yer gonna blame me then get it RIGHT, PPP !!  Would be:

Spam + cheese = 'cheesehead' sandwich !!!

Geesh!!

From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com  Fri Oct 31 13:28:37 2008
From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay Bugeye and other stuff
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNAEHPEHAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <FCBB0F9D958247D0A449B35DBD60F13A@NilesAD.von.gov>

> If yer gonna blame me then get it RIGHT, PPP !!  Would be:

No no no. If we wanted to get it right, we would sign our own names.
Lorrie Denials

From Weslake1330 at aol.com  Fri Oct 31 15:26:19 2008
From: Weslake1330 at aol.com (Weslake1330 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:26:19 EDT
Subject: [Spridgets] Walter featured in Road and Track and VIntage
 Motorsport
Message-ID: <be2.3cf16d39.363ce00b@aol.com>

What poundage cap do you have on the rad or do you have an overflow tank  and 
if so what poundage cap on that?
 
W e s l a k e 1330  - soon to be Weslake-Monza 1330
 
In a message dated 30/10/2008 17:13:55 GMT Standard Time,  
wsthompson at thicko.com writes:

Coolant  out the overflow. It was nearly 100F that day, and it was parked
downhill.  J

From herby at herbytoys.com  Fri Oct 31 17:25:54 2008
From: herby at herbytoys.com (Herby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:25:54 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Another ebay Sprite (Spridget?)
Message-ID: <574CDDC4E8EA498188CA35E259EA3609@HERBYZ>

67 Sprite, 1 owner.

 

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6lhzq5

 

It looks nice but the BIN seems high. I thought only Midgets had the side
trim. And what are those wheels? 

 

Herby
63 MKII Sprite (Herbytoy - patiently waiting)
62 MKII Sprite (the "resto-mod" driver)
00 Dakota R/T (the new toy)
herby at herbytoys.com

www.herbytoys.com

From spritenut at comcast.net  Fri Oct 31 19:17:51 2008
From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite Update 1
In-Reply-To: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNMEENEHAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <CAEFIEOOGMCKMBLEKCFNMEENEHAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <490BBC4F.1090008@comcast.net>

Ed's Shop wrote:
> 2 things, Frank.  
>
> Where do the dollars from Nory's purchase come in??
>   

5k to restore, 2k donated, 3k from Nory's purchase which for now, a lot 
of that 3k is out of my pocket!
> Have the 'Haulers' received any of their reimbursements??
>
>   
Holy Sprite Shirts!

-- 
Frank Clarici
Toms River, NJ

From kk7ss at verizon.net  Fri Oct 31 23:43:59 2008
From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:43:59 -0700
Subject: [Spridgets] Another ebay Sprite (Spridget?)
In-Reply-To: <574CDDC4E8EA498188CA35E259EA3609@HERBYZ>
References: <574CDDC4E8EA498188CA35E259EA3609@HERBYZ>
Message-ID: <490B983F.1934.1B23C3D@kk7ss.verizon.net>

Didn't '67s have the air injectors and the 'smog' pump??

On 31 Oct 2008 at 17:25, Herby wrote:

>> It looks nice but the BIN seems high. I thought only Midgets had the
>> side trim. And what are those wheels? 


--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

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