From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Dec 1 00:11:38 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:11:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Next years Calendar? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081130140137.04a58d90@littlebitcountry.com> References: <1563904769.20081129222819@pacifier.com> <493235C9.5010100@frontiernet.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081130140137.04a58d90@littlebitcountry.com> Message-ID: <49338E2A.1040408@wi.net> AAAAAAAAAAaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhh!!!!!! Dave Yealy wrote: > I just got a cold chill !!!! In my mind I just pictured one of the > guys on the list in a bikini. > > http://www.ntxalliance.com/ntx-img/ShowLetter.jpg > > Dave From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 05:23:00 2008 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Smokes rebuild In-Reply-To: <49334D49.1000004@comcast.net> References: <49334D49.1000004@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hey Frank, I believe that are different pans for the small and big main 1098's, due to the main size. 1275 pans should work. I have a spare big main 1098 pan you can use. I'm using a semi custom pan. I'll have to clean it up a bit, but will send it out. I also have a top bow for Fr. Jack too. He's going to have to wait a little bit for it tho, as it's keeping the top up and my parts car semi dry. :-) Also have 1 sliding side window. pretty good shape, Thought I had a pair of them. I'll get the window and pan out to you this week. Brian S. Bugeyeracer under resto > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:34:49 -0500 > From: spritenut at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Smokes rebuild > > Fr Jack is embarrassed with his smoking Sprite and the complete > valve/head job did nothing to fix it. > I am going to rebuild that dead 1098 on my garage floor. The oil pan is > extremely rusty, like I give it a few months and it will > spring a leak or 2. > I have an oil pan from a 948, is this the same? > I know 1275s used a different pan, and this 1098 is a 2" main block. So > do use a 1275, 948 or some weird unique oil pan? > I don't have any 1275 oil pans. Or worst case, are the pans from a 10CG > and a 10CC engine the same? I can always pull the pan off the engine > that is in the Holy Sprite when swap day comes around. I just don't want > to use the one from the garage floor with it's flaking rust chunks on > the bottom. > // > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bugeye15 at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the Im a PC Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ From bighealey at charter.net Mon Dec 1 06:51:15 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:51:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options Message-ID: <9C385E2A07E4406DBCF92727884CE4F1@TRACY> What are my options for a 76 Midget distributor? My OPUS amplifier is shot and I am looking at my options. Points are fine and it seems a 45D will drop right in although it would probably need recurved. Comments, recommendations? Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 1 07:32:31 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] free bugeye Message-ID: http://grumlt.citrina.lt/CitroPasakos/Toys/mk1_austin_spitfire.jpg From cbaustin at verizon.net Mon Dec 1 07:45:32 2008 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:45:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] free bugeye References: Message-ID: <5C64A865948E404A8DFA4552C1D82B76@universal1> Is that a chromed flash on the rear deck?? C B From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 1 08:02:06 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:02:06 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] free bugeye In-Reply-To: <5C64A865948E404A8DFA4552C1D82B76@universal1> Message-ID: I make no claims as to its originality ... I'm only passing on its availability. ;) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Charley Braum" Is that a chromed flash on the rear deck?? CB From bogodwin at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 1 08:25:09 2008 From: bogodwin at bellsouth.net (Bobby Godwin) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Very short clutch In-Reply-To: <11B130F0F32A4F7CB67DDB24684FA395@midget> Message-ID: Yes, I have this problem with my Bugeye with a 1275 engine, and you are right, it doesn't take long to get used to it. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:24 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Very short clutch >> The question about an oily clutch reminded me of a car I drove a few >> months ago that had an extremely short clutch with almost no slip. >> It was either off or on with little travel between. If it is a >> standard, unmodified clutch, what causes this? > Usually a nearly worn out clutch plate. Or maybe it needs a taller > driver?? I think the commonest cause of this is a 1275 installed in an early car using the 1275 slave cylinder with the drum brake master cylinder. It doesn't take long to get used to it... David Lieb You are subscribed as bogodwin at bellsouth.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Dec 1 08:29:23 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:29:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Very short clutch References: Message-ID: <5FCDFAB0BF5D458BB9802DE1C56307B2@NilesAD.von.gov> > Yes, I have this problem with my Bugeye with a 1275 engine, and you are > right, it doesn't take long to get used to it. > Bobby I would much rather deal with it than hack the car to put in a different MC. Thanks, Crash! David Lieb From pythias at pacifier.com Mon Dec 1 09:03:51 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:03:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: RE: Re[2]: free bugeye In-Reply-To: References: <477536602.20081201072922@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <16710573966.20081201080351@pacifier.com> Hello , > Is that a chromed flash on the rear deck?? That's what i'm seeing.. Chrome (Silver) NOT the GOLD as is so often claimed as original. Also note the chrome GAS CAP, not body color, another tip off. The rest of the car SEEMS to be there. Hard to tell what's under the hood but probably worth the price! Some one should take a stab at this one. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" "Sure I can climb cliffs!" Tom bluffed. (*2) ===8<===========End of original message text=========== -- Best regards, Bill mailto:pythias at pacifier.com From mdrowe at optonline.net Mon Dec 1 09:08:39 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:08:39 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Very short clutch In-Reply-To: <5FCDFAB0BF5D458BB9802DE1C56307B2@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <5FCDFAB0BF5D458BB9802DE1C56307B2@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: > I would much rather deal with it than hack the car to put in a different > MC. If the problem is a mis-match between the MC and slave, why not put in a 7/8" BE slave? The springs are not all that strong, are they? Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From cbaustin at verizon.net Mon Dec 1 09:14:54 2008 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Very short clutch References: <5FCDFAB0BF5D458BB9802DE1C56307B2@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <7D136E735C4C4D3397892F64F0360727@universal1> Recently I went to move my Bugeye and when I pushed the clutch pedal - the piston was forced out of the slave, locking everything up. Since the master had just been rebuilt I contacted Joe at Sierra and explained the situation. He recommended a change in the master that involved sleeving the clutch side to 3/4" and leaving the brake side at 7/8". Once this was done and reinstalled, the clutch operation (confirmed by Frank C and others at the Holy Sprite assembly fest) was much smoother and easier to control. I did not have to change the slave or the piping. www.brakecylinder.com for more info on cylinders and such, NFI, etc, CB ps: Oops, is that a tiny URL? Guess not, sorry. From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 1 10:23:17 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:23:17 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Morris progress Message-ID: <7DA42768500943A5B3D4241B2828AD60@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Here's a gallery of the Moggie truck up to last night. http://tinyurl.com/5pbtej If anyone has a tailpiece to fit a Datsun trans that they can part with, let me know. Glen From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Dec 1 10:25:05 2008 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:25:05 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options In-Reply-To: <9C385E2A07E4406DBCF92727884CE4F1@TRACY> Message-ID: Tracy, 123ignition is one option: http://brits-n-pieces.com/shop/product_info.php/info/p7908 Best regards Eric -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Drummond Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:51 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options What are my options for a 76 Midget distributor? My OPUS amplifier is shot and I am looking at my options. Points are fine and it seems a 45D will drop right in although it would probably need recurved. Comments, recommendations? Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Dec 1 10:35:56 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:35:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options References: Message-ID: > Tracy, 123ignition is one option: The Pertronix Flamethrower distributor is another option. From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 1 10:40:36 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:40:36 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] truck pics link Message-ID: <33C3AF3DD5774474AA60F56322998F80@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Sorry, for those not wishing to join Yahoo (myself included), try this link for the truck pics: http://tinyurl.com/5drky5 Best, Glen From tinydog at snet.net Mon Dec 1 10:58:26 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:58:26 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] truck pics link In-Reply-To: <33C3AF3DD5774474AA60F56322998F80@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <120120081758.13565.493425C200051A14000034FD22216128369B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog sez Merry Christmas, great work, and Love the color. -------------- Original message from "Glen Byrns" : -------------- > Sorry, for those not wishing to join Yahoo (myself included), try this link > for the truck pics: > > http://tinyurl.com/5drky5 From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 11:26:09 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rust In-Reply-To: <492775E2.1010606@comcast.net> References: <492775E2.1010606@comcast.net> Message-ID: That is one rusty 69 Sprite!! Are you going to restore this one? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Frank Clarici wrote: > I posted this last year but thought some of you might like to see how > rusty a Sprite can get. > > http://home.comcast.net/~spritenut/rusty1.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/~spritenut/rusty2.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/~spritenut/rusty3.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/~spritenut/rusty4.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/~spritenut/rusty5.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/~spritenut/rusty6.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/~spritenut/rusty7.jpg > > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:33:41 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:33:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Robert Weeks, Message-ID: Are you out there?? If so, please hit me offlist Thnks Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From hal at katemuir.com Mon Dec 1 15:54:14 2008 From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:54:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] BMC fastener codes Message-ID: Help. I can't find my copy of the BMC fastener codes. You know, the one that converts cryptic things such as HZS 0505 to a head type, diameter, length, and thread pitch. Who out there has a copy they can email me? Thanks, Hal From jlaird237 at cox.net Mon Dec 1 16:16:18 2008 From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:16:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] BMC fastener codes References: Message-ID: That would be a nice thing to have. I would like one as well if someone finds it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Faulkner" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [Spridgets] BMC fastener codes > Help. > I can't find my copy of the BMC fastener codes. You know, the one that > converts cryptic things such as HZS 0505 to a head type, diameter, length, > and thread pitch. > Who out there has a copy they can email me? > Thanks, > Hal > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jlaird237 at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM From kgb at frontiernet.net Mon Dec 1 15:39:12 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:39:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] truck pics link In-Reply-To: <33C3AF3DD5774474AA60F56322998F80@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <33C3AF3DD5774474AA60F56322998F80@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <49346790.2050505@frontiernet.net> It's beautiful Glen, but I know your wife won't like it, so I think you should give it to me. Kate Glen Byrns wrote: > Sorry, for those not wishing to join Yahoo (myself included), try this link > for the truck pics: > > http://tinyurl.com/5drky5 > > Best, > Glen > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM From smarc at smarc.net Mon Dec 1 17:30:00 2008 From: smarc at smarc.net (Marc) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:30:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] BMC fastener codes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49348188.5050405@smarc.net> Is this helpful? http://www.smarc.net/MG/techinfo/BMC_fasteners.pdf Jack Laird wrote: > That would be a nice thing to have. I would like one as well if > someone finds it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Faulkner" > To: "Spridgets" > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:54 PM > Subject: [Spridgets] BMC fastener codes > > >> Help. >> I can't find my copy of the BMC fastener codes. You know, the one that >> converts cryptic things such as HZS 0505 to a head type, diameter, >> length, >> and thread pitch. >> Who out there has a copy they can email me? >> Thanks, >> Hal > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- Marc From bighealey at charter.net Mon Dec 1 17:43:34 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (bighealey at charter.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:43:34 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters Message-ID: <20081201194334.1FYJM.681417.root@mp11> Can I remove the two service interval counters from my 76 Midget? Do these perform and ration reductions? What is the interval between light activation? (Mabe leave one in for oil change reminders?) From tequila.brad at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 19:14:10 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:14:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Next years Calendar? In-Reply-To: <493246EA.1060205@frontiernet.net> References: <1563904769.20081129222819@pacifier.com> <493235C9.5010100@frontiernet.net> <1001880149.20081129231253@pacifier.com> <493246EA.1060205@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: AMEN!!!!! On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Kathryn Bales wrote: > That's a sight NOBODY needs to see! > > > Bill L wrote: > >> Hello Kathryn, >> >> That's just you wishing for Pics of Fornal in his SPEEDOs. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: >> 270.9.11/1819 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 10:37 AM >> > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From shop at justbrits.com Mon Dec 1 20:33:14 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] BMC fastener codes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just out of hospital and TRYING to catch up to eMails so I have NOT checked it just to be sure Hal, but I think what you are after is in "Various Articles" [MANY THANKS to Buster Evans] on my site. Ed From davriker at nwi.net Mon Dec 1 21:56:03 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:56:03 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters References: <20081201194334.1FYJM.681417.root@mp11> Message-ID: <5C7807F69A61485A8B4B8691CF897FBB@MAIN> The counters were to turn on the "Catalyst" idiot light. Once the light comes on, you are supposed to drive to your nearest British Leyland dealer and have the catalytic converter replaced. If your car was sold in California new, the first replacement is free. Now, where is that dealer located???? You can replace your speedometer cables with a single one and eliminate the counter, unless you are in California, where all emissions equipment must be in place and functioning in order to pass the SMOG tests. David Riker P.S. Picture that same senario when you can't get your Chevy Silverado to pass smog and it has to be crushed because GM and Delphi are out of business. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters > Can I remove the two service interval counters from my 76 Midget? Do > these perform and ration reductions? What is the interval between light > activation? (Mabe leave one in for oil change reminders?) From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Dec 1 22:53:03 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:53:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter Message-ID: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> If you like scale models you'll appreciate this: Go to: http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html Suppose he'd do an A series engine we could put in a RC'd miniature Sprite? The heck with the helicopters! Dave W. 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 Burlington WI * * * * From p.herder at cox.net Tue Dec 2 04:48:41 2008 From: p.herder at cox.net (Paul Herder) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:48:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter In-Reply-To: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> References: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> Message-ID: <000001c95473$ec69f8f0$c53dead0$@herder@cox.net> It might be the early morning and I haven't had my Wheaties yet but the Specifications don't make any sense. It states it is 1/6 scale but 1/6 of 327 cu. in. is 54.5 cu. in., not the 1.1 cu. in. he states. Even if that is only one cylinder's displacement, then 8 times that is 8.8 cu. in.. ??? Paul -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Woerpel Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:53 PM To: SPRIDGETS Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter If you like scale models you'll appreciate this: Go to: http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html Suppose he'd do an A series engine we could put in a RC'd miniature Sprite? The heck with the helicopters! Dave W. 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 Burlington WI * * * * You are subscribed as p.herder at cox.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Tue Dec 2 05:59:01 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:59:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter References: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> <000001c95473$ec69f8f0$c53dead0$@herder@cox.net> Message-ID: > It might be the early morning and I haven't had my Wheaties yet but the > Specifications don't make any sense. > > It states it is 1/6 scale but 1/6 of 327 cu. in. is 54.5 cu. in., not the > 1.1 cu. in. he states. Even if that is only one cylinder's displacement, > then 8 times that is 8.8 cu. in.. Square-Cube Law. If you reduce the linear measurements to 1/6, the area of a surface goes down as the square (1/36) and the volume goes down as the cube (1/216). Therefore the displacement is 327/216=1.51. That is why insects are relatively small. If their length doubles, the volume, and hence the weight goes up as the cube and an exoskeleton simply cannot support it. David Lieb From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Tue Dec 2 06:51:49 2008 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:51:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter In-Reply-To: References: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> <000001c95473$ec69f8f0$c53dead0$@herder@cox.net> Message-ID: <000301c95485$203927d0$60ab7770$@net> Now that must bee the effect of eating your Wheaties every morning. I am not good at math at all and it amazes me when people OBVIOUSLY have a grip on math fundamentals. l Wish I had math smarts because with math things become so easy. Leo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM From bighealey at charter.net Tue Dec 2 07:39:14 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:39:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters In-Reply-To: <5C7807F69A61485A8B4B8691CF897FBB@MAIN> Message-ID: <9B1D09CBB1CD4F5B8ED7B656BB1BD7B1@TRACY> David, Yes and another that lights up the EGR dummy light. I was thinking I would replace the two console idiot lights with a couple hidden toggle switchs and change the little silk screens inside them to read. "OH Shit" and "Hang On". Then when I have a passenger I can switch them on and wait for a reaction. Far more useful to me than EGR and CATYLST Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: David Riker [mailto:davriker at nwi.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:56 PM To: bighealey at charter.net; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters The counters were to turn on the "Catalyst" idiot light. Once the light comes on, you are supposed to drive to your nearest British Leyland dealer and have the catalytic converter replaced. If your car was sold in California new, the first replacement is free. Now, where is that dealer located???? You can replace your speedometer cables with a single one and eliminate the counter, unless you are in California, where all emissions equipment must be in place and functioning in order to pass the SMOG tests. David Riker P.S. Picture that same senario when you can't get your Chevy Silverado to pass smog and it has to be crushed because GM and Delphi are out of business. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters > Can I remove the two service interval counters from my 76 Midget? Do > these perform and ration reductions? What is the interval between light > activation? (Mabe leave one in for oil change reminders?) From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Tue Dec 2 07:46:34 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:46:34 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters In-Reply-To: <9B1D09CBB1CD4F5B8ED7B656BB1BD7B1@TRACY> Message-ID: What does the 'Oh Shit' one do? Send out an email with co-ordinates to a group of people to come and fix your car? :) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tracy Drummond" David, Yes and another that lights up the EGR dummy light. I was thinking I would replace the two console idiot lights with a couple hidden toggle switchs and change the little silk screens inside them to read. "OH Shit" and "Hang On". Then when I have a passenger I can switch them on and wait for a reaction. Far more useful to me than EGR and CATYLST Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From davriker at nwi.net Tue Dec 2 08:06:31 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:06:31 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options References: <9C385E2A07E4406DBCF92727884CE4F1@TRACY> Message-ID: Any A-series distributor will fit and work. The 1500 engine is a long stroke design, and can handle quite a bit of total advance curve. Someone else can point you to an internet site that has the specs on all the different stock advance curves. I would find one from a '68 1275, and then put a petronics unit in it. Dave R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Drummond" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:51 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options > What are my options for a 76 Midget distributor? > > > > My OPUS amplifier is shot and I am looking at my options. > > > > Points are fine and it seems a 45D will drop right in although it would > probably need recurved. > > > > Comments, recommendations? > > > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > > President AHCUSA www.healey.org > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1821 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 5:53 PM From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Dec 2 08:36:08 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter In-Reply-To: <000001c95473$ec69f8f0$c53dead0$%herder@cox.net> References: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> <000001c95473$ec69f8f0$c53dead0$%herder@cox.net> Message-ID: <1EA53A29F6E64AE8A8427DF64241E6B7@Home> Reducing the linear dimensions of all parts to 1/6 reduces the volume by 1/6 cubed = 1/216. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY > It states it is 1/6 scale but 1/6 of 327 cu. in. is 54.5 cu. in., not the > 1.1 cu. in. he states. Even if that is only one cylinder's displacement, > then 8 times that is 8.8 cu. in.. From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Tue Dec 2 11:05:53 2008 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:05:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters Message-ID: <30b9f01c954a8$9de96f50$116a010a@mail2world.com> My '79 was originally a CA car, and it came with a 1 piece speedo cable, no catalyst light or EGR light, but an EGR valve and Catalytic converter. Do the CA inspection guys, after all these years, know the minute differences between the early and late 1500s? -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: David Riker [davriker at nwi.net] Sent: 12/1/2008 11:57:03 PM To: bighealey at charter.net;spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters The counters were to turn on the "Catalyst" idiot light. Once the light comes on, you are supposed to drive to your nearest British Leyland dealer and have the catalytic converter replaced. If your car was sold in California new, the first replacement is free. Now, where is that dealer located???? You can replace your speedometer cables with a single one and eliminate the counter, unless you are in California, where all emissions equipment must be in place and functioning in order to pass the SMOG tests. David Riker P.S. Picture that same senario when you can't get your Chevy Silverado to pass smog and it has to be crushed because GM and Delphi are out of business. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Service Interval Counters > Can I remove the two service interval counters from my 76 Midget? Do > these perform and ration reductions? What is the interval between light > activation? (Mabe leave one in for oil change reminders?) _______________________________________________ From andrewpayne at intrex.net Tue Dec 2 11:18:54 2008 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:18:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter In-Reply-To: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> References: <4934CD3F.6050304@wi.net> Message-ID: Here's an old video, but it sure is great. http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/30/video-homemade-1-3-scale-ferrari-312pb-fu lly-functional/ Drew -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Woerpel Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:53 AM To: SPRIDGETS Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter If you like scale models you'll appreciate this: Go to: http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html Suppose he'd do an A series engine we could put in a RC'd miniature Sprite? The heck with the helicopters! Dave W. 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 Burlington WI * * * * You are subscribed as andrewpayne at intrex.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bighealey at charter.net Tue Dec 2 16:27:05 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:27:05 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <712608D0B8794AAB9DC6935057138103@TRACY> I will go with a Petronics unit and have found a good used OPUC module as a spare along with a resistor. The original distributor base with dummy OPUS has the proper mechanical advance and I can go with or with out vacume for even more in the upper RPMs. Thanks for all the advice. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org -----Original Message----- From: David Riker [mailto:davriker at nwi.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:07 AM To: Tracy Drummond; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options Any A-series distributor will fit and work. The 1500 engine is a long stroke design, and can handle quite a bit of total advance curve. Someone else can point you to an internet site that has the specs on all the different stock advance curves. I would find one from a '68 1275, and then put a petronics unit in it. Dave R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Drummond" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:51 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Midget 1500 distributor options > What are my options for a 76 Midget distributor? > > > > My OPUS amplifier is shot and I am looking at my options. > > > > Points are fine and it seems a 45D will drop right in although it would > probably need recurved. > > > > Comments, recommendations? > > > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > > President AHCUSA www.healey.org > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1821 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 5:53 PM From nases at verizon.net Tue Dec 2 20:05:55 2008 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:05:55 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos Message-ID: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Tue Dec 2 20:29:45 2008 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:29:45 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 Message-ID: <120320080329.8596.4935FD2900083FFE000021942215555884000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net> I needed a new heater vent because Macy kept teasing me about the dryer vent I was using. So I ordered one from vic brit for $30. What I got is something that looks like a $2 drainage pipe from home depot. Does anyone have a reasonable happy medium? or where to get one? if not this is going back and I am off to home depot.... ryan From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Dec 2 21:00:33 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:00:33 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49360461.4030408@frontiernet.net> You've done a beautiful job! Very nice. Kate Phil Nase wrote: > I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ > > > Phil Nase > Quakertown, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1825 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 8:44 PM From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 2 21:27:30 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:27:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 In-Reply-To: <120320080329.8596.4935FD2900083FFE000021942215555884000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ryan, Ryan, Ryan !!! <> Where you asleep for the entire (at least 3 months) prior to LotO ?? I have correct Kopex and think I sent almost 4 dozen (not all went to LotO tho) tubes. Brad, would you please lead the parade?? !! Can go out tomorrow, Ryan. Write DIRECT please. Ed From jlaird237 at cox.net Tue Dec 2 21:33:31 2008 From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:33:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> <49360461.4030408@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <92CE71FD00FD42289A6E119EA289AF09@personal> Phil, that is just lovely. Congratulations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bales" Cc: "spridgets Spridgets at autox.team. Net" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos > You've done a beautiful job! Very nice. > > Kate > > > Phil Nase wrote: >> I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ >> >> >> Phil Nase >> Quakertown, PA >> http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1825 - Release Date: >> 12/2/2008 8:44 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jlaird237 at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM From lcjones at croakingfrog.net Tue Dec 2 22:18:29 2008 From: lcjones at croakingfrog.net (LCJones) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:18:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <493616A5.5030304@croakingfrog.net> Gawd. I love red cars. That's a beeee-uuuut, Phil! Kings to you! I'm a sucker for red guitars too. With 12 guitars, 6 of them of are red. Very nice Phil. :) Chap 69 Donor Spridget 72 Yellow RWA 74 Guild D25/6M Cherry - Ruby 80 Guild D212/M Cherry - Ruby Too 02 Rickenbacker 360/12 Fireglo - Rose 04 Epiphone SG Special Cherry - Rudy 05 Gretsch 6120 Tennessee Rose - Scarlett 06 Fender PBass - Candy Apple Red - Mac(instosh) :) ************************************** Phil Nase wrote: > I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ > > > Phil Nase > Quakertown, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lcjones at croakingfrog.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1825 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 8:44 PM From dwoerpel at wi.net Tue Dec 2 22:49:13 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:49:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49361DD9.2060506@wi.net> Seriously gorgeous dude! Beautiful Phil. Dave W. 59 :{) Burlington WI Phil Nase wrote: > I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ > > > Phil Nase > Quakertown, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ From bighealey at charter.net Wed Dec 3 07:04:46 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:04:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Sad News - John Downing Passed Message-ID: <01A8362B7A2241C987F2138D62C16B7D@TRACY> >From the Downing Family It is with deep sadness in our hearts that we let you know that our father passed away tonight with us by his side. This last week we had a home filled with dear family and friends. We spent many moments reminiscing with smiles, hugs and laughter. John told each of us how much we were loved and that he was not in pain. We are at peace because John is now at peace. Mom says there is another star in the sky tonight, and this is so very true. You are welcome to join us at our home on Saturday, December 6th anytime between 11am-2pm at 354 Brookwood Drive, Downingtown, PA, to share memories and joy. In lieu of flowers, we ask that you extend a random act of kindness to those in need. John's natural demeanor has always been just that. Whether to shovel your neighbors sidewalk, give last years gently worn coat to someone without, or deliver your favorite home-cooked meal to another. KINDNESS - pass it on. Thank you all for your love and friendship, Sharon, Tonya and Nina John was a long time Healey Enthusiast. John was a volunteer and active in many clubs. John regularly did such things as bring all the extra Healey and car magazines to veteran's hospitals. He will be sorely missed. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 3 07:22:10 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:22:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 References: Message-ID: Ryan, Peter Caldwell carries very good tubing for this. From JMFarley50 at aol.com Wed Dec 3 08:10:03 2008 From: JMFarley50 at aol.com (JMFarley50 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:10:03 EST Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos Message-ID: Phil, beautiful job!!!!! You sure can be proud. John In a message dated 12/2/2008 10:06:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nases at verizon.net writes: I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ You are subscribed as jmfarley50 at aol.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000012) From lists at woozy.com Wed Dec 3 08:53:50 2008 From: lists at woozy.com (Robert Weeks) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:53:50 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Robert Weeks, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4936AB8E.5060701@woozy.com> Hey Brad, I tried responding off list but didn't hear back from you. If you need to get in touch with me send an email to: robert [at] woozy [dot] com Then I can tell you where to send the money ;-) Thanks, Robert Brad Fornal wrote: > Are you out there?? > If so, please hit me offlist > > Thnks > Brad From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 10:23:52 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:23:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812030923v538e475bna334dc0d528bd28a@mail.gmail.com> Way to go, Phil!! -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 10:36:09 2008 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Phil Nase wrote: > I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ The car looks great but what is that white fabric thing on the top of the passenger compartment? -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Dec 3 11:39:34 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] HIF6 Message-ID: <4D883713CB8F4091B23466DE33185305@Home> Anyone have any idea where I can find a detailed parts diagram of an HIF6 carb? I have a good one from a Harley Davidson that I got for $50 on Ebay (with chopper chrome!). Some of the modifications are obvious (e.g., primer pump, choke), but I have not yet found enough information to unmodify it for use on an A-series engine. It has no vacuum take-off, for example, but there is a place to drill out. There may be one fitting on the manifold that can be used for this, but I don't have one to look at yet. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From wbmcleod at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 11:53:48 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:53:48 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] HIF6 In-Reply-To: <4D883713CB8F4091B23466DE33185305@Home> References: <4D883713CB8F4091B23466DE33185305@Home> Message-ID: The Haynes SU Manual (also available on ebay). Also google HIF carburetor and get everything from you tube to club DIY manuals for MG's. Regards, Bill On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > Anyone have any idea where I can find a detailed parts diagram of an > HIF6 carb? I have a good one from a Harley Davidson that I got for > $50 on Ebay (with chopper chrome!). Some of the modifications are > obvious (e.g., primer pump, choke), but I have not yet found enough > information to unmodify it for use on an A-series engine. It has no > vacuum take-off, for example, but there is a place to drill out. > There may be one fitting on the manifold that can be used for this, > but I don't have one to look at yet. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > Long Island, NY > _______________________________________________ From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 11:58:27 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:58:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] HIF6 In-Reply-To: References: <4D883713CB8F4091B23466DE33185305@Home> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812031058n5ba71f59iaaf06e26ed493505@mail.gmail.com> There is a pretty good manual that covers Weber, SU, and ZS carbs: ebay # 300275228344 is an example. From pilotrob at webtv.net Wed Dec 3 12:44:16 2008 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:44:16 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos Message-ID: Gorgeous!!! :):) Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From jmj3351 at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 15:29:13 2008 From: jmj3351 at comcast.net (jmj3351 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <743516817.1677381228343353310.JavaMail.root@sz0087a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Outstanding. I know you have a warm and proud feeling that typically occurs after all the late nights and weekends bear fruit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CosmicMag1380" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:36:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Phil Nase wrote: > I posted some photos of my car. B It's almost ready for a test drive. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ The car looks great but what is that white fabric thing on the top of the passenger compartment? -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 3 15:42:54 2008 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:42:54 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] HIF6 In-Reply-To: <4D883713CB8F4091B23466DE33185305@Home> Message-ID: <92EFE212DEA647E8BFD2EC42C564A532@GuyLaptop> Check out the Burlen web site. They provide exploded diagrammed and parts lists, plus on-line set-up and tuning guides. Now moved to a new web site at http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael Rowe Sent: 03 December 2008 18:40 To: Spridget List Subject: [Spridgets] HIF6 Anyone have any idea where I can find a detailed parts diagram of an HIF6 carb? I have a good one from a Harley Davidson that I got for $50 on Ebay (with chopper chrome!). Some of the modifications are obvious (e.g., primer pump, choke), but I have not yet found enough information to unmodify it for use on an A-series engine. It has no vacuum take-off, for example, but there is a place to drill out. There may be one fitting on the manifold that can be used for this, but I don't have one to look at yet. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 3 18:57:57 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:57:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <743516817.1677381228343353310.JavaMail.root@sz0087a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <<...after all the late nights and weekends bear fruit.>> Which 'might' be non-wished for??? From cclabaw at juno.com Wed Dec 3 19:04:33 2008 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:04:33 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] HIF6 Message-ID: <20081203.180433.7969.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> One of the most popular modifiers of SUs for bikes is Rivera Engineering. Try . I have one and it's great on a Harley. May be too many mods to make it Spridget-ready without a lot of work. Clay L. '67 Sprite -- "Guy Weller" wrote: Check out the Burlen web site. They provide exploded diagrammed and parts lists, plus on-line set-up and tuning guides. Now moved to a new web site at http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael Rowe Sent: 03 December 2008 18:40 To: Spridget List Subject: [Spridgets] HIF6 Anyone have any idea where I can find a detailed parts diagram of an HIF6 carb? I have a good one from a Harley Davidson that I got for $50 on Ebay (with chopper chrome!). Some of the modifications are obvious (e.g., primer pump, choke), but I have not yet found enough information to unmodify it for use on an A-series engine. It has no vacuum take-off, for example, but there is a place to drill out. There may be one fitting on the manifold that can be used for this, but I don't have one to look at yet. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw34S7EY590ghOcSrM6GxFKwPbQaJ nKZaxA1MDbUQcUQszuSA/ From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 3 19:17:22 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:17:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 In-Reply-To: <120320080329.8596.4935FD2900083FFE000021942215555884000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> Ryan, I replied DIRECT to you right after your post. I have IN-stock. List, mind mentioning!?!?!? Brad, for SURE!! From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 19:52:30 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:52:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 In-Reply-To: References: <120320080329.8596.4935FD2900083FFE000021942215555884000001020E0D9A05D2020E979D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ed does carry them, and they look great. I just have not installed ours yet. Nor have I put in the electronic points from Peter either, so quit bitching Ed On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > < depot....>> > > Ryan, I replied DIRECT to you right after your post. I have IN-stock. > > List, mind mentioning!?!?!? Brad, for SURE!! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Wed Dec 3 20:20:37 2008 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:20:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: I was wondering the same thing!! And black trim rings on the headlamps?? Larry On Dec 3, 2008, at 10:36 AM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Phil Nase wrote: > >> I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ > > > > The car looks great but what is that white fabric thing on the top > of the > passenger compartment? > > -- > Kent > 1960 Bugeye > 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Board Member at Large Philadelphia MG Club "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 3 20:31:29 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:31:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<...so quit bitching Ed>> Huh?? WHAT 'bitching', Brad ????? From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 3 21:32:41 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:32:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> YOU, of ALL folks, should KNOW that !!! Coal Dust !!!! Right, Phil ?? From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 21:36:53 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:36:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <61516.35168.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phil, What a great job. Really well done. One problem, though. Take my advice and let something in the garage fall over against the paint now. Just go ahead and get it over with. Otherwise it's too nice to drive and you'll be constantly worrying about where to park it, where to drive it, when to drive it there, who is standing near it, etc. David Booker '71 Midget that is not too nice to drive! :-) Long Island From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Dec 3 23:32:51 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:32:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <61516.35168.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> <61516.35168.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1865462993.20081203223251@pacifier.com> Hello David, And that's why I haven't redone the interior of MY car. Make 'em too nice and (unless you're Frank C.) you get worried about 'em. WAY better to have one you can jump in no matter what you're wearing and park wherever you feel like. . -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" California does have its faults. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 02:53:08 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:53:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A day without Ed bitching, is like a day without Ed.... LOL On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > <<...so quit bitching Ed>> > > Huh?? WHAT 'bitching', Brad ????? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From nases at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 05:34:59 2008 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:34:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: References: <2A3A4D87-B475-4942-A7DD-32B755E55F1E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1DE1BF8E-6B6E-49B0-B14A-E169F3D4C534@verizon.net> Hey that came with the car. It's a really handy dust cover. Keeps garage dirt out of the car while I'm working. I think Frank or Buster have the trim rings;) Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Dec 3, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Larry Macy wrote: > I was wondering the same thing!! > > And black trim rings on the headlamps?? > > Larry > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 10:36 AM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Phil Nase wrote: >> >>> I posted some photos of my car. It's almost ready for a test drive. >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugi1960/ >> >> >> >> The car looks great but what is that white fabric thing on the top >> of the >> passenger compartment? >> >> -- >> Kent >> 1960 Bugeye >> 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... >> > Larry Macy > 78 Midget > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. > lmacy at phillymgclub.com > Board Member at Large > Philadelphia MG Club > > > > "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've > never actually known what the question is." - Douglas Adams > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as nases at verizon.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From nases at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 06:57:09 2008 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <61516.35168.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61516.35168.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C7A6EE6-62BE-4F66-B426-E2C38A7A76E8@verizon.net> My wife will be upset that I made this public but.... We moved the bonnet from the basement to the dining room getting ready to fit it. While in the dining room she knocked a knick-knack (say that fast three times) off the table into the bonnet. So it already had its first mark before it was installed:( Besides that I've put my share of marks on it just putting it together. The more careful you are the more wrenches you drop. And I don't even want to talk about fitting doors. Damn! Besides that's why you need more than one car. One to beat and one to baby. Right? Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:36 PM, David Booker wrote: > Phil, > What a great job. Really well done. One problem, though. Take my > advice and let something in the garage fall over against the paint > now. Just go ahead and get it over with. Otherwise it's too nice > to drive and you'll be constantly worrying about where to park it, > where to drive it, when to drive it there, who is standing near it, > etc. > > David Booker > '71 Midget that is not too nice to drive! :-) > Long Island From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Dec 4 08:20:52 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:20:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E875257786E4E38BCE92E7CF5121333@Home> >A day without Ed bitching, is like a day without Ed.... But everyone else is bitching about their cars. Isn't it good to have some comic relief? (Of course, there is a problem about what is comical and what is not.) Michael Rowe From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 4 08:28:10 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:28:10 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Heater vent for 74 Message-ID: Oh Boy! You're not welcoming people to relieve themselves on the list, are you? ;) From: Michael Rowe But everyone else is bitching about their cars. Isn't it good to have some comic relief? (Of course, there is a problem about what is comical and what is not.) Michael Rowe From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 12:01:15 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:01:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Elizabeth and Fisher Jones Message-ID: For those list members that have been on here for a while, you may remember Elizabeth and Fisher Jones of Comfort Texas. My wife and I attended Spridgetstock 2000 at their home, during the Texas Healey Roundup that year. You would be hard pressed to find a more giving and generous couple. Fisher had been ill for some time, and E had been taking care of him in their home. On the morning of Tuesday, December 2nd, Fisher passed. On December 20th, at 2 pm, E will be having a memorial service at their home, in his honor. Any and all what would like to attend are welcome. Contact me off list if you want or need directions, and I will see what I can do to help. He was a wonderful person, always willing to help, and in fact, built the engine that is in our 68 Sprite. I know he will be missed greatly. Brad -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From haynes386 at netzero.net Thu Dec 4 13:02:27 2008 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:02:27 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Radius arm bushings Message-ID: <20081204.130227.18892.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> When I cannibalized parts for the '58 from the '62 stack (pile? rack?) of parts I used a rear radius arm bushing set from Faspec that I had on hand. I'm trying to replenish my stock for the '62 and can't find anyone (yet) that makes or carries them. Faspec seems to NLA, anyone have any suppliers? Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Earn your college degree at your own pace, 100% online! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc15BL90NITPnFxV4kYklHiE9c pIqWyJEOgjoa8DkZ5LwcfBC/ From peter at nosimport.com Thu Dec 4 13:48:12 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:48:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Radius arm bushings In-Reply-To: <20081204.130227.18892.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> References: <20081204.130227.18892.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <200812041248932.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> At 02:02 PM 12/4/2008, Mark Haynes wrote: >When I cannibalized parts for the '58 from the '62 stack (pile? rack?) of >parts I used a rear radius arm bushing set from Faspec that I had on hand. I'm >trying to replenish my stock for the '62 and can't find anyone (yet) that >makes or carries them. Faspec seems to NLA, anyone have any suppliers? > > >Mark Haynes >HAN6L12779 >HAN5L8016 =========================== Moss 265-390 ? or are you after something else. Oh, and I know a guy that has them. Peter C From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 4 13:56:28 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:56:28 EST Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos Message-ID: Are those really black trim rings on the headlamps? I think I might get some of those alloy ones anodized black for my car. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 04/12/2008 03:20:50 GMT Standard Time, lmacy at phillymgclub.com writes: And black trim rings on the headlamps?? Larry From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 4 13:58:07 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:58:07 EST Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter Message-ID: David I'm impressed. But, how to do you explain what happens to Jeff Goldblum in the Fly 2? Enquiring minds want to know. In a message dated 02/12/2008 12:59:35 GMT Standard Time, dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes: Square-Cube Law. If you reduce the linear measurements to 1/6, the area of a surface goes down as the square (1/36) and the volume goes down as the cube (1/216). Therefore the displacement is 327/216=1.51. That is why insects are relatively small. If their length doubles, the volume, and hence the weight goes up as the cube and an exoskeleton simply cannot support it. David Lieb From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 13:59:48 2008 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:59:48 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Ontario CA Listers, Can you help? - No LBC Message-ID: I'm watching an item on ebay that is located in Port Severn. Is there anyone close by who would pick it up and ship it? Contact me off list if you might be able to help. Thanks! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Thu Dec 4 14:26:53 2008 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:26:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27B06B1D-7887-4506-8F4F-E1ED51ACC155@comcast.net> Pffft.. its not the exoskeleton that is the limiting factor, is the lack of a developed respiratory system. They move air across their exoskeleton and if it's too far away from tissues then they get no air.. of course, there is a 12' high wall surrounding the Pensacola naval Air Station Hospital (The original one) to keep out mosquitos as at the time it was believed that mosquitos could not fly above 10'. Lester On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:58 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > David I'm impressed. But, how to do you explain what happens to Jeff > Goldblum in the Fly 2? > > Enquiring minds want to know. > > > > In a message dated 02/12/2008 12:59:35 GMT Standard Time, > dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes: > > Square-Cube Law. > If you reduce the linear measurements to 1/6, the > area of a surface goes down as the square (1/36) and > the volume goes down as the cube (1/216). Therefore > the displacement is 327/216=1.51. > > That is why insects are relatively small. If their length > doubles, the volume, and hence the weight goes up > as the cube and an exoskeleton simply cannot support > it. > David Lieb > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From andrewpayne at intrex.net Thu Dec 4 14:49:21 2008 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:49:21 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter Message-ID: You are all wrong, larger bugs are easier to step on and less likely to escape between the treads. And of course, the gross factor increases logarithmically with size. This is why in areas of the world where bugs are not deemed gross, but tasty, bugs grow larger. Simple evolution. Hard science. I'm sure it could be proven with respected sources such as wikipeadea and google. Drew From nases at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 15:58:59 2008 From: nases at verizon.net (Phil Nase) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F65CD16-DE2B-4D66-BDEF-C446E555D86D@verizon.net> Hey Daniel. No those are just the rubber dust rings. I still have to aim the lamps so I left the trim off for now. The black would look good tho. Hey I ordered your new book. I need a autograph next time your in the states. Phil Nase Quakertown, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:56 PM, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > Are those really black trim rings on the headlamps? I think I > might get > some of those alloy ones anodized black for my car. > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 04/12/2008 03:20:50 GMT Standard Time, > lmacy at phillymgclub.com writes: > > And black trim rings on the headlamps?? > > Larry From shop at justbrits.com Thu Dec 4 16:45:51 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:45:51 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Radius arm bushings In-Reply-To: <200812041248932.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <> Ed at JustBrits IS who you mean, right Peter????? From shop at justbrits.com Thu Dec 4 16:52:19 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:52:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos In-Reply-To: <7F65CD16-DE2B-4D66-BDEF-C446E555D86D@verizon.net> Message-ID: <> LOL !! Phil, please let me know if you are getting my private mailS !?!? Ed From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 4 17:11:34 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:11:34 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] My bugeye photos References: Message-ID: > Phil, please let me know if you are getting my private mailS !?!? I would guess his ED filter is working.... Lorry Denials From hal at katemuir.com Thu Dec 4 17:31:05 2008 From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:31:05 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC, How to pass the winter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or Vincent Price before him? -----Original Message----- David I'm impressed. But, how to do you explain what happens to Jeff Goldblum in the Fly 2? Enquiring minds want to know. From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 18:03:58 2008 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:03:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Ontario CA Listers, Can you help? - No LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops! That's Canada.... On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > Buster's backyard, Kent. Drop him a note direct. > > > -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Fri Dec 5 01:16:42 2008 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 00:16:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted Message-ID: <164442.22720.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> At Southport Spit, last sunday... About 1/3 down the page. http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=359211 Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From shop at justbrits.com Fri Dec 5 04:50:24 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:50:24 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted In-Reply-To: <164442.22720.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <> in that GAWD awful coloured Cobra replica, Andy ????? . . . . . . . Can't be cause yer on this List so you HAVE to have TASTE like the gent in the White w/black racing stripes Spridget !!!! From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Dec 5 08:40:38 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:40:38 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted In-Reply-To: <164442.22720.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <164442.22720.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1603027350.20081205074038@pacifier.com> Hello Andy, I notice the "two bulb" turn signals? They don't look like the regular bee-hives that I'm used to seeing. Is is some rare part, or just that I haven't noticed them before on the "high" mounted signal year cars? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 09:29:54 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:29:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted In-Reply-To: <1603027350.20081205074038@pacifier.com> References: <164442.22720.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1603027350.20081205074038@pacifier.com> Message-ID: I also am interested in if it is truly a "two bulb" signal. I have the amber dome and glass lens, but not the two bulb backing plate. If there is such a thing, I would love to get a pair. Brad On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Bill L wrote: > Hello Andy, > > I notice the "two bulb" turn signals? They don't look like the > regular bee-hives that I'm used to seeing. Is is some rare part, > or just that I haven't noticed them before on the "high" mounted > signal year cars? > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Dec 5 09:31:35 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:31:35 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low Message-ID: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, Robert Duquette and I have been in discussion about turn signal mounting points... ALL his Midgets have the "HIGH" mounted ones.. does anyone KNOW when the changed from High to Low, .. or was the change from Low to HIGH? What year?.. middle of the model year? only on Midgets? ( unlikely).... hmmmmmm? I know of at least TWO show winners with mis-matched ones! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 09:35:42 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:35:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> References: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> Message-ID: IIRC, it was when they went from the wide front bumper, that was used up until 1969, and the signal HAD to sit higher, to look proper. When they went to the narrow chrome bumper in 1970, they lowered the signal, to set more properly in the increased space between the bottom of the headlight bucket, and the new, lower bumper. Make any sense? Brad > > Robert Duquette and I have been in discussion about turn signal > mounting points... ALL his Midgets have the "HIGH" mounted ones.. does > anyone KNOW when the changed from High to Low, .. or was the change > from Low to HIGH? > > What year?.. middle of the model year? > > only on Midgets? ( unlikely).... > > hmmmmmm? > > > I know of at least TWO show winners with mis-matched ones! > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tinydog at snet.net Fri Dec 5 09:37:01 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:37:01 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <120520081637.28426.493958AC000E749400006F0A22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog responded: Change to the low mounted signals came with the thin bumper BL cars and coincided with the change to black grilles and black grille surround. Change affected Midgets and Sprites. -------------- Original message from Bill L : -------------- > Hello Spridgets, > > Robert Duquette and I have been in discussion about turn signal > mounting points... ALL his Midgets have the "HIGH" mounted ones.. does > anyone KNOW when the changed from High to Low, .. or was the change > from Low to HIGH? > > What year?.. middle of the model year? > > only on Midgets? ( unlikely).... > > hmmmmmm? From peter at nosimport.com Fri Dec 5 09:48:58 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:48:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> References: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <200812050848847.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> There are 3 part numbers for front fenders. First up to HAN9 77591 or HAN10 85287 or GAN4 66226 or GAN5 74886 Then those From the above through GAN5 154100 Then those From GAN6 154101 Low to high Peter C ==== At 10:31 AM 12/5/2008, Bill L wrote: >Hello Spridgets, > > Robert Duquette and I have been in discussion about turn signal >mounting points... ALL his Midgets have the "HIGH" mounted ones.. does >anyone KNOW when the changed from High to Low, .. or was the change >from Low to HIGH? > >What year?.. middle of the model year? > >only on Midgets? ( unlikely).... > >hmmmmmm? > > >I know of at least TWO show winners with mis-matched ones! >-- >Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. From peter at nosimport.com Fri Dec 5 11:15:09 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:15:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: <200812050848847.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> <200812050848847.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <200812051015331.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> After further review, the ruling on the height has been reversed. Peter C ==== At 10:48 AM 12/5/2008, Peter Caldwell wrote: >There are 3 part numbers for front fenders. >First up to HAN9 77591 or HAN10 85287 or GAN4 66226 or GAN5 74886 >Then those From the above through GAN5 154100 >Then those From GAN6 154101 >Low to high > Peter C >==== >At 10:31 AM 12/5/2008, Bill L wrote: >>Hello Spridgets, >> >> Robert Duquette and I have been in discussion about turn signal >>mounting points... ALL his Midgets have the "HIGH" mounted ones.. does >>anyone KNOW when the changed from High to Low, .. or was the change >>from Low to HIGH? >> >>What year?.. middle of the model year? >> >>only on Midgets? ( unlikely).... >> >>hmmmmmm? >> >> >>I know of at least TWO show winners with mis-matched ones! >>-- >>Best regards, >> Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com >> >> I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as peter at nosimport.com > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: >12/5/2008 9:57 AM From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Fri Dec 5 11:19:44 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:19:44 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: <200812051015331.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: I didn't think that the early cars had reverse lights! :) ----Original Message Follows---- From: Peter Caldwell After further review, the ruling on the height has been reversed. Peter C ==== At 10:48 AM 12/5/2008, Peter Caldwell wrote: >There are 3 part numbers for front fenders. >First up to HAN9 77591 or HAN10 85287 or GAN4 66226 or GAN5 74886 >Then those From the above through GAN5 154100 >Then those From GAN6 154101 >Low to high > Peter C >==== >At 10:31 AM 12/5/2008, Bill L wrote: >>Hello Spridgets, >> >> Robert Duquette and I have been in discussion about turn signal >>mounting points... ALL his Midgets have the "HIGH" mounted ones.. does >>anyone KNOW when the changed from High to Low, .. or was the change >>from Low to HIGH? >> >>What year?.. middle of the model year? >> >>only on Midgets? ( unlikely).... >> >>hmmmmmm? >> >> >>I know of at least TWO show winners with mis-matched ones! >>-- >>Best regards, >> Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com >> >> I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. From conan at intrex.net Fri Dec 5 12:55:36 2008 From: conan at intrex.net (conan) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:55:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted Message-ID: <200812051455.AA740753734@intrex.net> All that wasted film... Out of the whole stack, only four interesting cars... 510 Cobra Sprite Nova (only because it's not done as a drag racer!) Ed in NC :-) :-) :-) From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 12:57:58 2008 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: References: <200812051015331.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Robert Duquette < robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote: I didn't think that the early cars had reverse lights! :) From: Peter Caldwell After further review, the ruling on the height has been reversed. The back up lights started in 1968! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Dec 5 13:45:40 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:45:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: <200812051015331.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com> <200812050848847.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <200812051015331.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <891007623.20081205124540@pacifier.com> Hello Peter, So that means that they lowered the bumpers in 1968 and made them thinner.. ? and having lower ones on the red thing, though stylish, is incorrect? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them. From tinydog at snet.net Fri Dec 5 14:23:02 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:23:02 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low In-Reply-To: <891007623.20081205124540@pacifier.com> References: <1842054334.20081205083135@pacifier.com><200812050848847.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com><200812051015331.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <891007623.20081205124540@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <120520082123.18242.49399BB5000DED7C0000474222230650029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog explained: bumper mounting and location remained the same. Comparing both front bumpers, one was thicker/taller than the other. Google some for some pics of a 63 and a 73 and you will see the difference. -------------- Original message from Bill L : -------------- > Hello Peter, > > So that means that they lowered the bumpers in 1968 and made them > thinner.. ? > > and having lower ones on the red thing, though stylish, is > incorrect? From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Fri Dec 5 15:01:57 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:01:57 EST Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted Message-ID: Yours was the only decent car? In a message dated 05/12/2008 08:16:58 GMT Standard Time, a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au writes: At Southport Spit, last sunday... About 1/3 down the page. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Fri Dec 5 15:03:00 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:03:00 EST Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted Message-ID: This is the stock Brit side light and indicator lamp unit - Original S&M by Horler features it does it not? Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 05/12/2008 16:30:05 GMT Standard Time, tequila.brad at gmail.com writes: I also am interested in if it is truly a "two bulb" signal. I have the amber dome and glass lens, but not the two bulb backing plate. If there is such a thing, I would love to get a pair. Brad On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Bill L wrote: > Hello Andy, > > I notice the "two bulb" turn signals? They don't look like the > regular bee-hives that I'm used to seeing. Is is some rare part, > or just that I haven't noticed them before on the "high" mounted > signal year cars? > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. From cclabaw at juno.com Fri Dec 5 15:16:50 2008 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:16:50 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] High/Low Message-ID: <20081205.141650.25045.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com> To add to the confusion, my very early '67 Sprite has one high and one low, and neither is original. Clay L. '67 Sprite. -- Bill L wrote: Hello Peter, So that means that they lowered the bumpers in 1968 and made them thinner.. ? and having lower ones on the red thing, though stylish, is incorrect? -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them. You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3huIQdmRZpujHNcTLKyQ3dM3gzb ZOSm31uSQrYcC2xkKFUA/ From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Dec 5 19:15:24 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted In-Reply-To: References: <164442.22720.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1603027350.20081205074038@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <4939E03C.2070900@comcast.net> Brad Fornal wrote: > I also am interested in if it is truly a "two bulb" signal. UK spec, I have those lamps on my 67. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From andrewpayne at intrex.net Fri Dec 5 19:21:43 2008 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:21:43 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted In-Reply-To: <200812051455.AA740753734@intrex.net> References: <200812051455.AA740753734@intrex.net> Message-ID: I don't know Ed. I do enjoy those, but 3rd gen RX-7s are very nice, terrible wheels not withstanding. I love my WRX, if you have never driven one on a back road, you are missing out. The RX8 and Mazda 3 are very fun modern cars The old Impala is great in the theme of the Cake song "stick shifts and safety belts, bucket seats have all got to go. When I'm driving in my car they make my baby seem so far." Anyway, most any car can be fun if you treat it like a rental. Drew -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of conan Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:56 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] i got spotted All that wasted film... Out of the whole stack, only four interesting cars... 510 Cobra Sprite Nova (only because it's not done as a drag racer!) Ed in NC :-) :-) :-) You are subscribed as andrewpayne at intrex.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Dec 5 19:32:51 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:32:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You Message-ID: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> Dear Spridgeteers, I am the recipient of your largess, your time, and your talent. At the instigation of, and under the direction of Frank Clarici, you transported a project car from Davis, Claifornia to Toms river, New Jersey. You donated parts for it, money, and your skills. You named the 59 Sprite the "Holy Sprite" not because the new owner is holy but because God, who inspires people to do nice things, is holy. I have met many of you at the work weekends. I talked to Buster on the phone, but some I 've never met. To you all I say THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have given the car of his dreams to a daft old preacher. Gratefully Fr Jack From shop at justbrits.com Fri Dec 5 20:43:40 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:43:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> Message-ID: Father Jack: <> Purely by your selection of the quality & model of the car you desired, you HAVE proved (beyond a shadow of ANY doubt) that you cannot possibly be "daft" !! Quite sane, in fact !! Ed From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Fri Dec 5 20:46:17 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:46:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081206034619.NMMM17654.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Oh the memories a few years ago with me stuck in a snowstorm in Minneapolis with a Ford Puke (Contour). Out of boredom I found out the cruise could be set in neutral and dropped into drive if you never touched the brake. The car did have a good heater as I recall Chris 66 MKIII Looking like an igloo in WI -----Original Message----- (snip) Anyway, most any car can be fun if you treat it like a rental. Drew -----Original Message----- From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Fri Dec 5 21:43:50 2008 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:43:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted Message-ID: <872856.35486.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Hi Bill, > as far as I know these were standard here.. > You'd find our rear lights are set up different too.. > because our rules state a separate turn signal is needed, > not a brake light or tail light that blinks out to signal a > turn... > > > > On the front of my sprite, the orange bulb blinks to signal > a turn, and the white bulbs come on with the first position > of the headlight switch. > > Andy > > --- On Sat, 6/12/08, Bill L > wrote: > > > > > I notice the "two bulb" turn signals? > They > > don't look like the > > regular bee-hives that I'm used to seeing. Is > is > > some rare part, > > or just that I haven't noticed them before on > the > > "high" mounted > > signal year cars? > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Bill L. > > mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red > > thing" > > > > I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. > Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From davriker at nwi.net Fri Dec 5 22:52:34 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:52:34 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted References: Message-ID: Can you tell me if the yellow signal bulbs are the ones closest to the center, or closest to the outside. My new units were not marked left or right, and will fit either side. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] i got spotted > This is the stock Brit side light and indicator lamp unit - Original S&M > by > Horler features it does it not? > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 05/12/2008 16:30:05 GMT Standard Time, > tequila.brad at gmail.com writes: > > I also am interested in if it is truly a "two bulb" signal. I have the > amber > dome and glass lens, but not the two bulb backing plate. If there is such > a > thing, I would love to get a pair. > > Brad > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Bill L wrote: > >> Hello Andy, >> >> I notice the "two bulb" turn signals? They don't look like the >> regular bee-hives that I'm used to seeing. Is is some rare part, >> or just that I haven't noticed them before on the "high" mounted >> signal year cars? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Bill L. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM From cartman at rcn.com Fri Dec 5 23:11:12 2008 From: cartman at rcn.com (Greg Gowins) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:11:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: References: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yeah, it's not like he asked for an El Camino or anything like that!!! On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > Father Jack: > > <> > > Purely by your selection of the quality & model of the car you desired, you > HAVE proved (beyond a shadow of ANY doubt) that you cannot possibly be > "daft" !! > > Quite sane, in fact !! > > > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cartman at rcn.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From grday at btinternet.com Sat Dec 6 02:47:13 2008 From: grday at btinternet.com (Guy R Day) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:47:13 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] i got spotted References: <872856.35486.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <913B9F3BA9F144FEA886E0F64AA4AF5E@TAIRS> Those colours are the legal UK spec. A turn signal can lawfully be in with another light but the other light must NOT flash. Only the turn signal can flash (between 60 and 120 times per minute). Minimum area was 1 square inch. There are a few more regs now but basically it remains the same. Guy R Day >> On the front of my sprite, the orange bulb blinks to signal >> a turn, and the white bulbs come on with the first position >> of the headlight switch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Webster" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] i got spotted >> Hi Bill, >> as far as I know these were standard here.. >> You'd find our rear lights are set up different too.. >> because our rules state a separate turn signal is needed, >> not a brake light or tail light that blinks out to signal a >> turn... >> >> >> >> On the front of my sprite, the orange bulb blinks to signal >> a turn, and the white bulbs come on with the first position >> of the headlight switch. >> >> Andy >> >> --- On Sat, 6/12/08, Bill L >> wrote: >> >> > >> > I notice the "two bulb" turn signals? >> They >> > don't look like the >> > regular bee-hives that I'm used to seeing. Is >> is >> > some rare part, >> > or just that I haven't noticed them before on >> the >> > "high" mounted >> > signal year cars? >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Bill L. >> > mailto:pythias at pacifier.com >> > >> > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red >> > thing" >> > >> > I'm just visiting. My REAL planet is sane. >> >> >> Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. >> Enter now >> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pilotrob at msn.com Sat Dec 6 08:25:00 2008 From: pilotrob at msn.com (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:25:00 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] [9issa] Virus (not again!!) Message-ID: Thankyou, Krystine!! Thank God somebody else heard about it besides me!!! I'm gettin' killed here for "crying wolf", having had no intention to do so in the first place, I can assure you. I will never try to help anyone again...never, never, ever, ever!!! :):) CapBob -----Original Message----- From: Krystine Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 7:04 PM To: 9issa at justbrits.com Subject: Re: [9issa] Virus (not again!!) I heard about it too, Bob. There is suppose to be a link on Facebook to tell you what you can do about it. :) krystine ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert E. Shlafer To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com ; bugeye at yahoogroups.com Cc: polysci_101 at justbrits.com ; 9issa at justbrits.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [9issa] Virus (not again!!) There IS a "new" computer virus out there but evidently not as reported by Joe Cancemi. It's a Facebook thing and evidently comes in emails which may ask you to download software for one reason or another. Heard about it tonight on Channel 2 5:00 O'clock news. CapBob ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Spam Not spam Forget previous vote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - _______________________________________________ 9issa mailing list 9issa at justbrits.com http://justbrits.com/mailman/listinfo/9issa_justbrits.com http://www.justbrits.com From dwoerpel at wi.net Sat Dec 6 08:54:12 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:54:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] [9issa] Virus (not again!!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493AA024.507@wi.net> Is this it?? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10113981-83.html Dave 59 :{) Time to go x-country skiing...can I put skis on the Bugeye? Burlington WI Robert E. Shlafer wrote: > Thankyou, Krystine!! > > Thank God somebody else heard about it besides me!!! > > I'm gettin' killed here for "crying wolf", having had no intention to do so in > the first place, I can assure you. > > I will never try to help anyone again...never, never, ever, ever!!! :):) > > CapBob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krystine > Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 7:04 PM > To: 9issa at justbrits.com > Subject: Re: [9issa] Virus (not again!!) > > I heard about it too, Bob. There is suppose to be a link on Facebook to tell > you what you can do about it. > :) krystine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert E. Shlafer > To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com ; bugeye at yahoogroups.com > Cc: polysci_101 at justbrits.com ; 9issa at justbrits.com > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:05 PM > Subject: [9issa] Virus (not again!!) > > > There IS a "new" computer virus out there but evidently not as reported by > Joe Cancemi. > > It's a Facebook thing and evidently comes > in emails which may ask you to download > software for one reason or another. Heard about it tonight on Channel 2 5:00 > O'clock news. > > CapBob From dwoerpel at wi.net Sat Dec 6 09:16:23 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:16:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> References: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <493AA557.5070307@wi.net> Then we're all daft! Warning, serious part below: It was a sincere pleasure to work for someone who will enjoy the car as much as we enjoyed working on it. For a couple of weekends I think God was in the form of a Sprite...after all, look who he got to go to church!!! Mysterious ways indeed. List, please allow me some latitude here. I must tell Fr Jack, that I had to speak in our Methodist church (annual pledge time) and I related the story of how the call went out, people came together, and more was accomplished than just putting a Sprite together. IMHO, more goes on at these events than obvious. So, when is the next one!!?? Thank YOU, Fr Jack and of course, Frank. Now, Chris Manuel and I are sending some snow your way Frank, so fit the snow tires and take those Sprites out to those lovely little circles by your house and have some fun! Let it snow, let it snow,........!!! Dave Burlington WI Frank Clarici wrote: > Dear Spridgeteers, > > I am the recipient of your largess, your time, and your talent. > At the instigation of, and under the direction of Frank Clarici, you > transported a project car from Davis, Claifornia to Toms river, New > Jersey. You donated parts for it, money, and your skills. > > You named the 59 Sprite the "Holy Sprite" not because the new owner > is holy but because God, who inspires people to do nice things, is holy. > I have met many of you at the work weekends. I talked to Buster on the > phone, but some I 've never met. > To you all I say THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. > You have given the car of his dreams to a daft old preacher. > > Gratefully > Fr Jack From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Dec 6 10:07:14 2008 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> References: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <746E8D4C-E291-4973-8421-3BE6F3D96C85@phillymgclub.com> Dear Fr Jack, Trust me when I say it was our pleasure. I am not real big on organized religions, but I do believe in helping out our fellow man. When one spends their entire life giving comfort to others, then I believe that person deserves something in return, during their lifetime. There may be higher rewards, but I think those rewards are better when one can enjoy them. So to you, Fr Jack, I say thank you for allowing us this opportunity to join in fellowship of a common interest and give something of ourselves to a worthy individual. And to all those on the Holy Sprite team, donors, drivers, and wrenchers, Have a happy holiday season and know "Ya Done Good" Larry On Dec 5, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Frank Clarici wrote: > Dear Spridgeteers, > > I am the recipient of your largess, your time, and your talent. > At the instigation of, and under the direction of Frank Clarici, you > transported a project car from Davis, Claifornia to Toms river, New > Jersey. You donated parts for it, money, and your skills. > > You named the 59 Sprite the "Holy Sprite" not because the new > owner is holy but because God, who inspires people to do nice > things, is holy. > I have met many of you at the work weekends. I talked to Buster on > the phone, but some I 've never met. > To you all I say THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. > You have given the car of his dreams to a daft old preacher. > > Gratefully > Fr Jack > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Board Member at Large Philadelphia MG Club Ask a question and you're a fool for three minutes; do not ask a question and you're a fool for the rest of your life. From thistle_3619 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 10:10:47 2008 From: thistle_3619 at yahoo.com (James Gruber) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:10:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Hardtop for Mark II Spridget for Sale Message-ID: <410700.43509.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A buddy of mine locally was able to score on those 2 Spridgets in Columbus last week with the Arkley Kit. Pieces included a hardtop that appears to fit a Mark II Spridget with side curtains that will be for sale. Don't have a price yet but I imagine it will be reasonable. Please let me know if you are interested and I'll put you in touch with the guy. NFI other than I hope to score a few parts for Bugsy out of the booty he picked up. From thistle_3619 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 12:29:09 2008 From: thistle_3619 at yahoo.com (James Gruber) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:29:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] A little more on the Mark II Hardtop. Message-ID: <870269.41539.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is what I got from my buddy a few minutes ago. I placed the hardtop on the '72 at the point where I thought the windshield would be and it looked like it was 6-8 inches short of the rear attachment point, hence my thought that it is for an earlier spridget....I will bring the top back to my house (they are stored up at our farm) and try it on my '70 midget....the attachment clips are all there front and side, rubber and glass are pretty good...it would have to be sanded and painted for sure but no damage. He's thinking about $250 for the hardtop. From jlaird237 at cox.net Sat Dec 6 18:00:32 2008 From: jlaird237 at cox.net (Jack Laird) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:00:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You References: <4939E453.4090501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <67D8FF0234B145E580A2022425BDB0BE@personal> If the Father is daft he is in good company. Shoot, we all driveing those funny little cars. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clarici" To: "Spridgets" ; "Buster Evans" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You > Dear Spridgeteers, > > I am the recipient of your largess, your time, and your talent. > At the instigation of, and under the direction of Frank Clarici, you > transported a project car from Davis, Claifornia to Toms river, New > Jersey. You donated parts for it, money, and your skills. > > You named the 59 Sprite the "Holy Sprite" not because the new owner > is holy but because God, who inspires people to do nice things, is holy. > I have met many of you at the work weekends. I talked to Buster on the > phone, but some I 've never met. > To you all I say THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. > You have given the car of his dreams to a daft old preacher. > > Gratefully > Fr Jack > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jlaird237 at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 6 18:42:29 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:42:29 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: <67D8FF0234B145E580A2022425BDB0BE@personal> Message-ID: <> EXACTLY, Jack !!!! And (basically) just what I said !!! LOL From wbmcleod at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 20:19:15 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:19:15 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Trunk hinges Message-ID: I am sitting here looking at a pair of trunk hinges from a Spridget. They also fit an MGB Roadster. Moss shows a RH and a LH hinge, but these obviously came out of the same car and look identical. Can anyone tell me how to tell them apart? I can send a picture to anyone who is interested.... TIA Bill Slightly Classics Tucson From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Dec 7 07:41:48 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:41:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You References: Message-ID: <2B8D4CA2B28E4DDB8A5316868D6BF177@midget> >> <> those >> funny little cars.>> > EXACTLY, Jack !!!! > And (basically) just what I said !!! Yeah, but it sounds better coming from someone who does drive a Spridget. From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 08:15:35 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:15:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Trunk hinges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493BE897.1050403@comcast.net> William McLeod wrote: > I am sitting here looking at a pair of trunk hinges from a Spridget. > They also fit an MGB Roadster. Moss shows a RH and a LH hinge, but > these obviously came out of the same car and look identical. Can > anyone tell me how to tell them apart? Bill There is a very slight offset on the 2 hole ears. R & L are different in the bends by about 1/4" If you mix them up when assembling a car, it will give you a serious headache trying to close the trunk lid. Don't ask me how I know ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Dec 7 08:15:38 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:15:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Beading Message-ID: Recently I have seen several cars that have their beading ground off and faired over. This might be an easy restoration if they also needed painting, but they all had shiny new paint with a corresponding price. It might not matter much if the car were patched and modified beyond recognition, but that has not been the case. What is the general reaction to this situation, and how much does lack of beading reduce the value of an otherwise reasonable car? Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 09:02:46 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:02:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Beading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <825284.82063.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Michael Rowe wrote: "What is the general reaction to this situation, and how much does lack of beading reduce the value of an otherwise reasonable car?" I personally couldn't give less of a crap about whether a car is original or not - I believe in altering a vehicle to make it more suitable to your own performance or looks needs. BUT I have serious doubts when it comes to a car with body filler on seams when it was not originally there. Often, these places flex a bit and the filler and paint ends up cracking. How any times have you seen a B with those two body seams filled just in front of the trunk? Many of those that I've seen are cracked. In looking at Spridgets all last year, I saw quite a few with the body seams filed in at the rockers. These cars got an immediate pass from me. Not sure what this did for the value, but it affected the number of people interesed by at least one. I don't remember specifically seeing non-beaded cars, but unless I was told they were done in lead I might be tempted to pass. - David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From: Michael Rowe Subject: [Spridgets] Beading To: "Spridget Chat Group" Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 9:15 AM Recently I have seen several cars that have their beading ground off and faired over. This might be an easy restoration if they also needed painting, but they all had shiny new paint with a corresponding price. It might not matter much if the car were patched and modified beyond recognition, but that has not been the case. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Dec 7 09:35:11 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:35:11 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Beading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <559651168.20081207083511@pacifier.com> Hello Michael, It seems to ME, (not that I really know ANYTHING) that the higher the price being paid for these cars, the less knowledgeable the buyer. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "I've caught Moby Dick!" Tom wailed. From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 10:45:30 2008 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:45:30 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Beading* Message-ID: <120720081745.18499.493C0BBA00085894000048432215551724C0C9C0C99D0A0C020E040B@comcast.net> There are instructions for doing just that in one of my restoration manuals. Seems like a good idea, since the bead seam is a great place for water sit around and irritate the steel into rusting. I guess if you are preparing a concours car you should leave the beading, but if you, like me and so many others on this list drive the cars for fun and utility, it seems like a good idea to remove it, fill it properly, and get rid of that crevice. 8^) --David C. Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Michael Rowe > Recently I have seen several cars that have their beading ground off and faired > over. This might be an easy restoration if they also needed painting, but they > all had shiny new paint with a corresponding price. It might not matter much if > the car were patched and modified beyond recognition, but that has not been the > case. > > What is the general reaction to this situation, and how much does lack of > beading reduce the value of an otherwise reasonable car? > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > Long Island, NY > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 11:13:57 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:13:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question on a 1500 car Message-ID: <99146.17406.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A friend of mine is putting back together his rubber bumper car after a complete dissassembly and rebuild. He did a good job of taking pictures of almost everything on the tear down, but somehow missed where the ground strap goes. Anybody know? I'm talking about the braided metal strap about as long as your hand. Across one of the engine mounts maybe? He can't find a sutable place where it could have bridged from the bell housing to the body near the battery box... David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From wbmcleod at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 11:31:10 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts Message-ID: <91A6571E-A25B-4E0A-A08C-08BBA87D2386@gmail.com> Does anyone know of a list of the various A series crankshafts identified by casting numbers, or did it matter? TIA Bill Slightly Classics Tucson From rbc_48183 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:06:40 2008 From: rbc_48183 at yahoo.com (roger cotting) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:06:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question on a 1500 car References: <99146.17406.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157002.84673.qm@web111211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On a 1974 Midget, it goes from the frame( 9/16" bolt) to the bottom transmission mount. I think it would be the same on a 1500 car. Roger Cotting ________________________________ From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 12:58:00 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:58:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Beading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493C2AC8.2040902@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: > Recently I have seen several cars that have their beading ground off and faired over. This might be an easy restoration if they also needed painting, but they all had shiny new paint with a corresponding price. It might not matter much if the car were patched and modified beyond recognition, but that has not been the case. > > What is the general reaction to this situation, and how much does lack of beading reduce the value of an otherwise reasonable car? > > I had a Bugeye bonnet de-seamed because the top of the seams were flying off the car at speed due to rust under them. I liked the look but it was on PIECES which was a RWA Midget with a bugeye nose so there was no originality to the car. On the other hand, I did do it right by grinding off the top seam, grinding out a V down in the seam and welding a 2" metal piece over the seam. Some filler to smooth it out. On my blue Speedwell the rear seams are showing rust bubbles so since the Speedwell nose has no seams, I think I will de-seam The rear end. Those seams are always rust catchers and if done properly, the cars look good IMHO of course. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 7 13:09:46 2008 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:09:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question on a 1500 car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493C2D8A.1010306@sbcglobal.net> David, The engine ground strap goes from a bolt at the bottom front right of the engine block to the right hand support of the steering rack. No ground strap at the bellhousing. Hope that helps. Lee Fox '79 Midget St. Louis ----------------------------------------- Subject:[Spridgets] Ground strap question on a 1500 car From: David Booker Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:13:57 -0800 (PST) To: spridget A friend of mine is putting back together his rubber bumper car after a complete dissassembly and rebuild. He did a good job of taking pictures of almost everything on the tear down, but somehow missed where the ground strap goes. Anybody know? I'm talking about the braided metal strap about as long as your hand. Across one of the engine mounts maybe? He can't find a sutable place where it could have bridged from the bell housing to the body near the battery box... David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 13:17:16 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question answer In-Reply-To: <157002.84673.qm@web111211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <280353.60136.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, roger cotting wrote: "On a 1974 Midget, it goes from the frame( 9/16" bolt) to the bottom transmission mount. I think it would be the same on a 1500 car." Thanks Roger - that explains why I didn't see it on my own car. Joe says that answers his question. Once again, the list comes through. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 13:21:26 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:21:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question on a 1500 car In-Reply-To: <493C2D8A.1010306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <665243.7972.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Lee Fox wrote:"The engine ground strap goes from a bolt at the bottom front right of the engine block to the right hand support of the steering rack. No ground strap at the bellhousing." Hmmm... Another good suggestion and this from a rubber bumper owner too - I've forwarded this one to Joe along with the others. Thanks, David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From mhagopian at hoppetool.com Sun Dec 7 13:23:38 2008 From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:23:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts In-Reply-To: <91A6571E-A25B-4E0A-A08C-08BBA87D2386@gmail.com> References: <91A6571E-A25B-4E0A-A08C-08BBA87D2386@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> I dont know but I have been reading up on camshafts, I was wondering if anyone knew the advantage of a "scatter pattern" cam? I have one in my bug right now, and with this new motor we are building, we are looking for the best cam for our needs... power from 4500-7500rpm. Any suggestion on a cam? Update on the new motor: Looks like we are going to go with hoosier 185/60/13, 4.55 rear ratio, 5spd transmission, and this motor we are building... all bearings and pistons are going to be calico coated to decrease resistance, we are going to go with a full titanium valve train, titanium rockers, titanium valves(oversized), we are going to stick with stock springs because of the decreased weight in valves so hopefully we wont run into any valve float, we are going to have the connecting rods lightened 100 grams each, engine is going to be bored .040" over, still deciding on what pistons to go with(any suggestions?), and we are going to have a lot of head work done. hopefully to have an end result of 120hp and capable of 120mph. I did the calculations and with this combo we need to reach 7500rpm to hit 120mph.(this doesnt include drag) Anyone have a suggestion for a good A series 1275 book? I have Des Hammills book but its just info, doesnt give any inside info on which parts to use, just suggestions on good street motors and what is neccessary to have not to have a meltdown of a race motor... Thanks guys On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, William McLeod wrote: > Does anyone know of a list of the various A series crankshafts > identified by casting numbers, or did it matter? > > TIA > Bill > Slightly Classics > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mhagopian at hoppetool.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Dec 7 13:33:57 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:33:57 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] "Fierce" clutch... Message-ID: <493BC2B5.11054.105FD76@kk7ss.verizon.net> I have found that when reading the list there is always an answer to one of my "un-asked" questions... ;-)) A very recent example.. I have a fierce clutch... i.e. there is very little pedal travel between free and engaged... The car ('65) has the dual master cylinder but with a ribcage tranny fitted to a 1275 of unknown origin... Would I be correct in assuming that the reason for the limited travel could be that I have a 7/8" bore master?? Could I make the clutch a little more traffic friendly by having it sleeved to 3/4".. ? Or wouldn't it make much difference?? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 14:30:20 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:30:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <919337.94456.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Matt Hagopian wrote: > 4500-7500rpm. Any > suggestion on a cam? Yes. Same one I gave you last week. Builder of 17 SCCA national championship A Series motors. Ron From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 7 15:16:09 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:16:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts References: <91A6571E-A25B-4E0A-A08C-08BBA87D2386@gmail.com> <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D7DBB05838D41558F9D15E56F97568A@Larry> Matt, I hope you take this in the right way, but it sounds as though you are haphazardly throwing a whole bunch of money at your motor without a real game plan and hoping it all works together. It might and it might not. Take Ron's free advice; talk to a pro before you go nuts on that thing and maybe not end up with what you had hoped for. Larry Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Hagopian" To: "William McLeod" Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts I dont know but I have been reading up on camshafts, I was wondering if anyone knew the advantage of a "scatter pattern" cam? I have one in my bug right now, and with this new motor we are building, we are looking for the best cam for our needs... power from 4500-7500rpm. Any suggestion on a cam? Update on the new motor: Looks like we are going to go with hoosier 185/60/13, 4.55 rear ratio, 5spd transmission, and this motor we are building... all bearings and pistons are going to be calico coated to decrease resistance, we are going to go with a full titanium valve train, titanium rockers, titanium valves(oversized), we are going to stick with stock springs because of the decreased weight in valves so hopefully we wont run into any valve float, we are going to have the connecting rods lightened 100 grams each, engine is going to be bored .040" over, still deciding on what pistons to go with(any suggestions?), and we are going to have a lot of head work done. hopefully to have an end result of 120hp and capable of 120mph. I did the calculations and with this combo we need to reach 7500rpm to hit 120mph.(this doesnt include drag) Anyone have a suggestion for a good A series 1275 book? I have Des Hammills book but its just info, doesnt give any inside info on which parts to use, just suggestions on good street motors and what is neccessary to have not to have a meltdown of a race motor... Thanks guys From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 15:57:49 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:57:49 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts References: <91A6571E-A25B-4E0A-A08C-08BBA87D2386@gmail.com> <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FAEC245002C4515BA6B7F19C859BBF8@blackbox2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Hagopian" > Anyone have a suggestion for a good A series 1275 book? You should read David Vizard's "Tuning the A series Engine" Personally I don't think there is much to be gained in usable rpm by lightening the valve train on the A-series. You can fit slightly heavier springs and reach 7500. I would rather spend the titanium valve money on something else. From dmeadow at juno.com Sun Dec 7 16:27:08 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:27:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts Message-ID: <20081207.172708.3432.0.dmeadow@juno.com> Matt, Scatter pattern cams reduce scavenging between the exhaust and intake valves. Sounds like you're going all out on this thing. Where did you plan to run it? Most of what you are talking about would be illegal in many, if not most, vintage clubs. Best, David On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:23:38 -0500 "Matt Hagopian" writes: > I dont know but I have been reading up on camshafts, > > I was wondering if anyone knew the advantage of a "scatter pattern" > cam? I > have one in my bug right now, and with this new motor we are > building, we > are looking for the best cam for our needs... power from > 4500-7500rpm. Any > suggestion on a cam? > > Update on the new motor: > Looks like we are going to go with hoosier 185/60/13, 4.55 rear > ratio, 5spd > transmission, and this motor we are building... all bearings and > pistons are > going to be calico coated to decrease resistance, we are going to go > with a > full titanium valve train, titanium rockers, titanium > valves(oversized), we > are going to stick with stock springs because of the decreased > weight in > valves so hopefully we wont run into any valve float, we are going > to have > the connecting rods lightened 100 grams each, engine is going to be > bored > .040" over, still deciding on what pistons to go with(any > suggestions?), and > we are going to have a lot of head work done. hopefully to have an > end > result of 120hp and capable of 120mph. I did the calculations and > with this > combo we need to reach 7500rpm to hit 120mph.(this doesnt include > drag) > > Anyone have a suggestion for a good A series 1275 book? I have Des > Hammills > book but its just info, doesnt give any inside info on which parts > to use, > just suggestions on good street motors and what is neccessary to > have not to > have a meltdown of a race motor... > > Thanks guys > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, William McLeod > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a list of the various A series crankshafts > > identified by casting numbers, or did it matter? > > > > TIA > > Bill > > Slightly Classics > > Tucson > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as mhagopian at hoppetool.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > > > Matt Hagopian > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dmeadow at juno.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate debt and lower month expenses. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2PBHDs7uVdBJYjcvfqwL3Bwv2khbo6qqMjPt4oII1GUpSjC/ From jmj3351 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 16:31:18 2008 From: jmj3351 at comcast.net (jmj3351 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question on a 1500 car In-Reply-To: <99146.17406.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1448397057.229961228692671693.JavaMail.root@sz0087a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> On a 1500 the ground strap goes from a bolt located at the lower Rt. side of the timing chain cover (not in the cover) (passenger side) to the frame thru the bolt that holds the steering rack mount.B I just went down to the basement and looked at my RBM. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Booker" To: "spridget" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 1:13:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question on a 1500 car A friend of mine is putting back together his rubber bumper car after a complete dissassembly and rebuild. B He did a good job of taking pictures of almost everything on the tear down, but somehow missed where the ground strap goes. B Anybody know? B I'm talking about the braided metal strap about as long as your hand. B Across one of the engine mounts maybe? B He can't find a sutable place where it could have bridged from the bell housing to the body near the battery box... B David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From hal at katemuir.com Sun Dec 7 20:55:13 2008 From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:55:13 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mat, David Vizard's book has already been suggested. Why don't you have a copy yet? The selection of springs is not simply a function of the desired RPM range. The stock springs might suffer from coil binding at the lifts provided by a modern racing cam, especially using high lift rockers. This would have a negative effect on the ability of your engine to produce RPM, torque, or horsepower. The purveyor of your camshaft can make valid suggestions as to suitable springs for your intended usage. The selection of valves is also not just a choice of material. READ VIZARD. When you have finished that, READ VIZARD. Then, just to get some new insight into this READ VIZARD. Don't waste any more of your time or money until you have READ VIZARD. Hal -----Original Message----- ....I dont know but I have been reading up on camshafts, I was wondering if anyone knew the advantage of a "scatter pattern" cam? I have one in my bug right now, and with this new motor we are building, we are looking for the best cam for our needs... power from 4500-7500rpm. Any suggestion on a cam? Anyone have a suggestion for a good A series 1275 book? I have Des Hammills book but its just info, doesnt give any inside info on which parts to use, just suggestions on good street motors and what is neccessary to have not to have a meltdown of a race motor... From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 21:20:56 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:20:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question recap In-Reply-To: <3432BAA070DF4F29AF1F06E0D516F3C5@Home> Message-ID: <386279.1150.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think I'm detecting a trend here. We've got tranny-frame grounded, clutch slave-frame grounded, bellhousing-frame grounded, block-steering rack-frame grounded, etc. So here's the definitive answer on the subject... If the big heavy assembly that spins and makes all the noise in the middle of the car is somehow securely attached to a point somewhere on the rest of the car via a mesh metal grounding strap, everything works! As with everything else on our cars, nice and simple. I like that. David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Dec 7 21:35:52 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:35:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Ground strap question recap In-Reply-To: <386279.1150.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3432BAA070DF4F29AF1F06E0D516F3C5@Home>, <386279.1150.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493C33A8.25322.2BF339B@kk7ss.verizon.net> And its important to remember that the Left-handed Floggle-Toggle switch is wired directly to the right hand SinglePlex Dingus so that the Thingamajig on the Whatchamacallit engages properly... I hope that's clear enough !! ;-)) On 7 Dec 2008 at 20:20, David Booker wrote: >> If the big heavy assembly >> that spins and makes all the noise in the middle of the car is somehow >> securely attached to a point somewhere on the rest of the car via a >> mesh metal grounding strap, everything works! -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 8 09:52:55 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:52:55 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] new MG has arrived Message-ID: Just in time for Frank's Christmas present, the new MG has arrived from China. http://tinyurl.com/56qnrw some reassembly required. Glen From dwgwater at hotmail.com Mon Dec 8 14:18:08 2008 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:18:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] HEater fan Message-ID: Has anyone seen one of these in the flesh? It looks like it might work, but its backwards.... Dave http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290280910546&ss PageName=ADME:B:EF:MOTORS:1123 _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 8 14:33:52 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:33:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] HEater fan References: Message-ID: What's backwards about it? Looks like my Smiths only cleaner.( and probably quiter, cheaper, more efficient and longer lived) Glen Glen > Has anyone seen one of these in the flesh? It looks like it might work, > but > its backwards.... Dave > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290280910546&ss > PageName=ADME:B:EF:MOTORS:1123 From dwgwater at hotmail.com Mon Dec 8 14:43:27 2008 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:43:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] HEater fan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It looks to me like the output aims to the left (looking aft), rather than the right like the Smiths does on my 70, but spatial perception has always been my downfall....... But the quieter, cheaper, more efficient thing appeals to me> From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu> To: spridgets at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:33:52 -0800> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HEater fan> > What's backwards about it? Looks like my Smiths only cleaner.( and probably > quiter, cheaper, more efficient and longer lived)> > Glen> > Glen> > Has anyone seen one of these in the flesh? It looks like it might work, > > but> > its backwards.... Dave> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290280910546&ss> > PageName=ADME:B:EF:MOTORS:1123> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as dwgwater at hotmail.com> > http://www.team.net/archive> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 14:49:03 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:49:03 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] HEater fan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493D964F.8090301@comcast.net> David Groundwater wrote: > Has anyone seen one of these in the flesh? It looks like it might work, but > its backwards.... Dave > You can turn it around but the size is way off. intake 2.5" output 2". We need a 4" intake and a 3" output but it can probably be adapted. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 8 15:19:16 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:19:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] HEater fan References: <493D964F.8090301@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9BBB6FBCD37D4946B554239C66D3CF1D@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Bad eyes! Now I can see that the motor is on the far side and the view is into the squirrel cage. Definitely backwards. Glen > David Groundwater wrote: >> Has anyone seen one of these in the flesh? It looks like it might work, >> but >> its backwards.... Dave From shop at justbrits.com Mon Dec 8 18:31:53 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:31:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] HEater fan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave... <> withOUT spending a bunch of time I don't have searching for pics, I 'would' say that if you mean for a UK Spec car; YEP. For a US SPEC car it 'might' work with some sort of double right-angled HARD plastic "plenum" for between the output (now at bottom & next to body) to the heater input (WAY above) which would have to be quite THIN. As Glen noted the view is into the squirrel cage. Ergo, it's usage would require that it be mounted UPSIDE down (right Glen?). Then ADD Frank's note the 4" INTAKE with 3" OUTPUT does make it a 'tad' more "difficult". Also (as Frank noted) You can turn it around... but (IMHO) the required "plastic" plenums which would be REQUIRED, would make it's use a bit on the EXPENSIVE side. LAD & DL From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net Mon Dec 8 18:50:17 2008 From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:50:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Spridgets] More grounding strap Message-ID: <50120.72.71.220.20.1228787417.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> Now that the location of said strap is final, I have a question about the strap itself. I no longer have the mesh strap to use. Can a solid cable with loops on each end work just as well or is there a valid reason to use the mesh strap? If so, where can I get one? Dick B. in NH (Where it will be below zero tonight without a chill factor.) From corvallis at peoplepc.com Mon Dec 8 19:09:58 2008 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:09:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More grounding strap In-Reply-To: <50120.72.71.220.20.1228787417.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> References: <50120.72.71.220.20.1228787417.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> Message-ID: <4D6CF0AAA6B3499D8F464D5BD057F2C7@spider> I think the mesh strap was the least likely to break given the amount of movement that could occur there. FLAPS have the mesh straps. Either should work though. ...bill in oregon ======================================================= -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of lindalnhvt at nhvt.net Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:50 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] More grounding strap Now that the location of said strap is final, I have a question about the strap itself. I no longer have the mesh strap to use. Can a solid cable with loops on each end work just as well or is there a valid reason to use the mesh strap? If so, where can I get one? Dick B. in NH (Where it will be below zero tonight without a chill factor.) _______________________________________________ From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Mon Dec 8 19:12:09 2008 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:12:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More grounding strap Message-ID: Dick, You want something flexible and resistant to vibration. Stranded copper wire would probably be fine, but a solid copper wire (like household electrical wire) would work harden and eventually break. -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net [lindalnhvt at nhvt.net] Sent: 12/8/2008 8:51:17 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] More grounding strap Now that the location of said strap is final, I have a question about the strap itself. I no longer have the mesh strap to use. Can a solid cable with loops on each end work just as well or is there a valid reason to use the mesh strap? If so, where can I get one? Dick B. in NH (Where it will be below zero tonight without a chill factor.) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets . From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Dec 8 19:20:07 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:20:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] More grounding strap In-Reply-To: <50120.72.71.220.20.1228787417.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> Message-ID: The engine and transmission move around. The flexing will eventually break something. Use a braded cable. You can get them at NAPA or any other legit auto parts house. BZ From dwgwater at hotmail.com Tue Dec 9 08:49:03 2008 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:49:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] HEater fan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I agree it's more trouble than it's worth. Still, I was surprised to see one that's the right general shape. If the output was facing the right way, a coffee can lid with a donut hole would work as a reducer. Dave> From: shop at justbrits.com> To: spridgets at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:31:53 -0600> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] HEater fan> > Dave...> > <>> > withOUT spending a bunch of time I don't have searching for pics, I 'would'> say that if you mean for a UK Spec car; YEP.> > For a US SPEC car it 'might' work with some sort of double right-angled HARD> plastic "plenum" for between the output (now at bottom & next to body) to> the heater input (WAY above) which would have to be quite THIN.> > As Glen noted the view is into the squirrel cage.> > Ergo, it's usage would require that it be mounted UPSIDE down (right Glen?).> > Then ADD Frank's note the 4" INTAKE with 3" OUTPUT does make it a> 'tad' more "difficult".> Also (as Frank noted) You can turn it around... but (IMHO)> the required "plastic" plenums which would be REQUIRED, would make it's use> a bit on the EXPENSIVE side.> > LAD & DL> _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 10:46:17 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:46:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] I wanna be trailer trash........... Message-ID: <314073.19940.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice decision - The Spridget will fit nicely with room left over for a couple of old BMW motorcycles. - David Booker --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Jim Johnson wrote: From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Tue Dec 9 18:30:32 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:30:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] snow. was: Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: <493AA557.5070307@wi.net> Message-ID: <20081210013035.YTXV22728.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> And here's another load coming your way. It was the kind of snow where I also "raked" the roof as well as the hibernating Sprite. A roof rake is a scoop type shovel with a 25 foot pole or so to drag show off your roof upon yourself to help give you peace of mind that you will not get an ice dam in the gutters and force water/ice up and under the shingles in an older house and find the way to thaw under your ceiling. Funny to watch, but one heck of a workout. So LBC content, although my sprite is in a cocoon of car covers and tarps, I raked its roof of 9 inches of wet snow. So much for opening the doors if I wanted to. Sorry, Frank and everyone east of us... Chris 66MKIII Igloo Brookfield, WI -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Woerpel Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:16 AM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Father Jack's Thank You Now, Chris Manuel and I are sending some snow your way Frank, so fit the snow tires and take those Sprites out to those lovely little circles by your house and have some fun! Let it snow, let it snow,........!!! Dave Burlington WI From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 9 20:08:14 2008 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts In-Reply-To: <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <91A6571E-A25B-4E0A-A08C-08BBA87D2386@gmail.com> <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Matt, I agree with the others. For the amount of power you are looking for, you NEED to talk to one or all of the names the others have given you. David Vizard, David Anton of APT, Tom Colby at Speedwell, Colin Dodds at Spriteparts.com.au and the guy Ron suggested who has built many championship winning motors. At least talk to them, or better yet, have one of them build the engine. They'll make sure everything is compatible. They are the experts and will have you spending your money in the right areas, not just what sounds cool. Or maybe for less money, and want to go REALLY fast right now, Buy Tom Colby's former car, it's on Ebay now, no bids at $18,000. Built by a guy who knows em well. worth alot more than that in parts. http://tinyurl.com/6amnvj or number 110321171654 if I only had the money..... Brian S > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:23:38 -0500 > From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com > To: wbmcleod at gmail.com > CC: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts > > I dont know but I have been reading up on camshafts, > > I was wondering if anyone knew the advantage of a "scatter pattern" cam? I > have one in my bug right now, and with this new motor we are building, we > are looking for the best cam for our needs... power from 4500-7500rpm. Any > suggestion on a cam? > > Update on the new motor: > Looks like we are going to go with hoosier 185/60/13, 4.55 rear ratio, 5spd > transmission, and this motor we are building... all bearings and pistons are > going to be calico coated to decrease resistance, we are going to go with a > full titanium valve train, titanium rockers, titanium valves(oversized), we > are going to stick with stock springs because of the decreased weight in > valves so hopefully we wont run into any valve float, we are going to have > the connecting rods lightened 100 grams each, engine is going to be bored > .040" over, still deciding on what pistons to go with(any suggestions?), and > we are going to have a lot of head work done. hopefully to have an end > result of 120hp and capable of 120mph. I did the calculations and with this > combo we need to reach 7500rpm to hit 120mph.(this doesnt include drag) > > Anyone have a suggestion for a good A series 1275 book? I have Des Hammills > book but its just info, doesnt give any inside info on which parts to use, > just suggestions on good street motors and what is neccessary to have not to > have a meltdown of a race motor... > > Thanks guys _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From mhagopian at hoppetool.com Tue Dec 9 20:38:09 2008 From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:38:09 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 5 speed Message-ID: <87a1f55d0812091938o737643a0yce4c4a7ddc862e55@mail.gmail.com> Success! We are the proud new owners of a 5speed as of 945pm last night! Bought it for $500 even and I will have it by the end of next week! Off to rivergate to order the conversion kit! -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 9 20:58:38 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] snow. was: Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: <20081210013035.YTXV22728.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: <> YEP Chris, cause I am adding a LOT of dense moisture to YOUR 'gift' !!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 9 20:59:36 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:59:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] snow. was: Father Jack's Thank You In-Reply-To: <20081210013035.YTXV22728.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: Sorry Chris, I meant to ask if I could send Blogo UP to you & Dave to KEEP!?!? From mahney at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 21:28:29 2008 From: mahney at gmail.com (Greg Mahney) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:28:29 +0900 Subject: [Spridgets] Wanted - Front Main Bearing Cap Message-ID: <780ad83f0812092028x430b9adel86073f1f6b0b66d0@mail.gmail.com> I was an active member of this list years ago but haven't been on it for a while. However, I need some help, please Whilst rebuilding my 1098 engine I cracked the front main bearing cap. Has anyone got a spare one for the 2" main version of the 1098 engine they would like to sell and post to Australia? Thanks Greg in Western Australia From wbmcleod at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 21:43:46 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:43:46 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Wanted - Front Main Bearing Cap In-Reply-To: <780ad83f0812092028x430b9adel86073f1f6b0b66d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <780ad83f0812092028x430b9adel86073f1f6b0b66d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <82E22150-0751-4B3D-9728-7E24C33A6F2E@gmail.com> You do realize that it will have to be line bored. With that in mind, I should have one if you want to pay the postage to Oz. Let me know.... Bill Slightly Classics Tucson, Arizona, USA On Dec 9, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Greg Mahney wrote: > Whilst rebuilding my 1098 engine I cracked the front main bearing cap. > > Has anyone got a spare one for the 2" main version of the 1098 > engine they > would like to sell and post to Australia? > > Thanks > > Greg > in Western Australia From bighealey at charter.net Wed Dec 10 07:05:29 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:05:29 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Speedo trip reset cable Message-ID: Anyone have a source for or how to fab up a odometer trip reset cable for a stock MG Midget Smiths Speedo? Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From bpazur at excel.net Wed Dec 10 08:14:41 2008 From: bpazur at excel.net (Bud Pazur) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:14:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 948 Cranks Message-ID: <200812101514.mBAFEf2o026903@green.excel.net> Gary wrote: This is a search for a 948 stock (or reground) crankshaft.? A friend of a friend at work is trying to restore his Bugeye.? He brings me the motor (in pieces) to fix up for street use.? Crank does not pass magnaflux.? I have most of the rest of the parts to put together but I am looking for a crankshaft.?? It does not have to be anything special as it will go in a street car.? Does anybody have one gathering dust?? Gary Kropf '59 Bugeye aka Thicko 'Grenade' - Did not go off in '07 and now working on keeping pin in for '08 Gary - When I was re-building my Red race Bugeye's engine, I found that crankshafts that will pass a magnaflux test are scarcer than hen's teeth (as my mother use to say). I literally bought and had four magnafluxed before I found one my machinist would accept. I was starting to think about a $5000 billet crank, but I knew that was out of the question for me. Good luck. Bud From dwgwater at hotmail.com Wed Dec 10 09:34:04 2008 From: dwgwater at hotmail.com (David Groundwater) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:34:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Speedo trip reset cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you sure the trip odometer works? Every time I used it, it locked up the odometer. At some point the cable fell off and I think its been floating around the footwell or under the seat for 10 or 15 years. Less likely to get lost there than in the toolbox or any of the other places I lose things. Shall I look for it for you? Dave 70 Midget> From: bighealey at charter.net> To: spridgets at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:05:29 -0800> Subject: [Spridgets] Speedo trip reset cable> > Anyone have a source for or how to fab up a odometer trip reset cable for a> stock MG Midget Smiths Speedo?> > > > > > Tracy Drummond Gang Warily !> > President AHCUSA www.healey.org> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as dwgwater at hotmail.com> > http://www.team.net/archive> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Dec 10 10:22:35 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts In-Reply-To: References: <91A6571E-A25B-4E0A-A08C-08BBA87D2386@gmail.com> <87a1f55d0812071223r4677217ck171a147503d629b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59CD9A8A19D046FC96FA9E3AA6681057@Home> > I agree with the others. For the amount of power you are looking for, > you NEED to talk to one or all of the names the others have given you. OK. There is no question about this for extreme upgrades. But what if you don't want an extreme racing engine, just a really good street engine - plenty of power, smooth-running, durable, etc. Vizard is very clear about balancing components, but there is so much information that it is hard to sort out intermediate levels of build. On scanning, other books are similar, although not as detailed. How about it racers? Is there a cookbook for building a level 3 engine (out of 6) with mostly bolt-on components? How about a list of parts: 1. HIF6 carb with K&N filters. 2. Titan intake manifold. 3. Etc. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From wbmcleod at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 10:25:44 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:25:44 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Lotus, Abarth and Triumph wheels on ebay References: Message-ID: I received this message from a good friend who works on Italian cars, who bought these wheels by mistake, thinking that they would fit a Fiat. The message is self-explanatory and may provide a bargain for owners of some of the more exotic cars! NFI, just a friend; I have not researched bolt patterns on the cars mentioned. TIA Bill Slightly Classics Tucson Begin forwarded message: > From: Val Danilov > Date: December 10, 2008 9:06:30 AM GMT-07:00 > To: Bill McLeod > Subject: Lotus and Triumph wheels > > Hi Bill, > > take a look here: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190272738845 > > I bought these wheels, as they normally come with a Fiat 4x98 bolt > pattern, and are rare as hell, and very expensive (up to $1000 for a > set!). > Probably the lightest magnesium wheel you can ever get for your race > car! > > Anyway, I realized my mistake, and asked the seller to relist them > for me, as I cannot really use them. > > I doubt any of the people on your forums ever search for > "Cromodora", so they'll appreciate it too! > These are the famous Carlo Abarth wheels from the early/mid > seventies, and were used on Abarth vehicles. > I guess a limited number was made for Lotus, Triumph bolt pattern as > well, but this is the first time I came across a bolt pattern > different from Fiat. > > If they do not sell, I'm out of $400, as I've already paid for them. > Thanks, > > Val From dmeadow at juno.com Wed Dec 10 10:45:58 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:45:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts Message-ID: <20081210.114558.3180.0.dmeadow@juno.com> If you're sticking with the stock head (no porting, etc.) and valves, increasing air and fuel flow will only help to a point. Bolting on headers, an intake manifold and a HI6 carb would give you some additional horsepower, but to really get anywhere you're going to have to change out the camshaft. I used to use the Kent 286 cam when I raced Spec-Sprite. Except for headers, straight through exhaust, and K&N filters on the 1.25" carbs and a Pertronix ignition it was basically a stock engine with balanced internals. I used the stock high-compression pistons. Of course, the car was lightened considerably over the street setup. I got literally years of racing fun out of this motor and I was even able to play in the top third of the (non Spec-Sprite) pack where there were people that spent at least twice as much on performance goodies. The 286 was a bit lumpy at idle, but not annoyingly so. It also had a good power band without revving the hell out of the engine. I'd recommend it for street performance use. I'd try it with headers and your stock carbs before I spent a bunch of money on an intake manifold and carb setup. David On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:35 -0500 Michael Rowe writes: > > I agree with the others. For the amount of power you are looking > for, > > you NEED to talk to one or all of the names the others have given > you. > > OK. There is no question about this for extreme upgrades. But what > if you > don't want an extreme racing engine, just a really good street > engine - > plenty of power, smooth-running, durable, etc. Vizard is very > clear about > balancing components, but there is so much information that it is > hard to > sort out intermediate levels of build. On scanning, other books are > > similar, although not as detailed. > > How about it racers? Is there a cookbook for building a level 3 > engine (out > of 6) with mostly bolt-on components? > > How about a list of parts: > 1. HIF6 carb with K&N filters. > 2. Titan intake manifold. > 3. Etc. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > Long Island, NY > ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on consolidating your debt. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2PBHfd6z0zT8DCc5E6Cb31V3C2VWvXeVKd5IAa0PG61PO3a/ From bighealey at charter.net Wed Dec 10 12:31:07 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (bighealey at charter.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:31:07 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Long shot (Looking for parts) Message-ID: <20081210143107.2YWUW.1217859.root@mp13> I am looking for a set of front side market pliths for a 76 MG Midget. I prefer NOS but will settle for a set of real nice used ones. They are handed (left and right) and follow the contour of the front fender. Please contact me off-list if you have a set you are willing to part with. They are BMC part numbers AHA9338 (RH), AHA9339 (LH) I am trying to wrap this restoration up in time to present this car as a Christmas gift. Thanks in advance Ho Ho Ho From wbmcleod at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 15:03:29 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Cromodora wheels on ebay Just so everyone knows what's going on References: <20081210.134150.3244.0.mrkerb@juno.com> Message-ID: With thanks to Michael! Begin forwarded message: > From: Michael Duffey > Date: December 10, 2008 2:41:50 PM GMT-07:00 > To: wbmcleod at gmail.com > Subject: Cromodora wheels on ebay > > Dear Bill > I sent an email to the guy who is selling these wheels but in case he > doesn't post it with the auction, I figured that I would pass the > info on > to you. > I worked for the importer of Cromodora (Intermag, later BBS of > America) > for five years. We made a batch of wheels that were basically Fiat 124 > Rally wheels with a 3 3/4 BC and machined on the face to lighten them. > They were intended to be Formula Ford wheels and are not suitable > for a > car that weighs over 1000#. > So hopefully a guy with a Spitfire or GT6 doesn't try to run them. > Regards > Michael Duffey > >> I received this message from a good friend who works on Italian cars, >> who bought these wheels by mistake, thinking that they would fit a >> Fiat. The message is self-explanatory and may provide a bargain for >> owners of some of the more exotic cars! NFI, just a friend; I have >> not researched bolt patterns on the cars mentioned. >> TIA >> Bill >> Slightly Classics >> Tucson >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Val Danilov >>> Date: December 10, 2008 9:06:30 AM GMT-07:00 >>> To: Bill McLeod >>> Subject: Lotus and Triumph wheels >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> take a look here: >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=19027273884 > 5 >>> >>> I bought these wheels, as they normally come with a Fiat 4x98 bolt >>> pattern, and are rare as hell, and very expensive (up to $1000 for a >>> set!). >>> Probably the lightest magnesium wheel you can ever get for your race >>> car! >>> >>> Anyway, I realized my mistake, and asked the seller to relist them >>> for me, as I cannot really use them. >>> >>> I doubt any of the people on your forums ever search for >>> "Cromodora", so they'll appreciate it too! >>> These are the famous Carlo Abarth wheels from the early/mid >>> seventies, and were used on Abarth vehicles. >>> I guess a limited number was made for Lotus, Triumph bolt pattern as >>> well, but this is the first time I came across a bolt pattern >>> different from Fiat. >>> >>> If they do not sell, I'm out of $400, as I've already paid for them. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Val >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as zero260 at comcast.net >> >> Vintage-race at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 15:16:38 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:16:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay item.... Message-ID: <43840a7e0812101416q6a140d4evc891189f2c510f7@mail.gmail.com> Dear* *Friends, I found this offer today on Ebay. Could one of you in the Chicago area please check this out. I don't want to bid on it until I'm sure this is for real.....* http://tinyurl.com/5gdptn* -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From bvsprite at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 16:30:16 2008 From: bvsprite at yahoo.com (bv) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:30:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts In-Reply-To: <59CD9A8A19D046FC96FA9E3AA6681057@Home> Message-ID: <766649.28582.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OK, I haven't responded to one of these in quite a while... When I rebuilt my 59 sprite, I wanted to build a rock solid 1275 for street performance, and the results have worked out great. I strated with a stock 1275 from a 71 midget. here's what I did: -Kent MD266 cam which provides a smooth idle and plenty of power. (read the reviews - even vizard likes it) -12g940 head, and ported it myself to vizard's specs. - .02 over Metro 8.8CR pistons, -Sintered Metro lifters (yeah I know their heavy, but they're strong and worked out fine) -crank pistons and fly-wheel dynamically balanced, at a local speed shop -ARP rod, and head bolts -maniflow headers, and custom fit RC40 exhaust system -dellorto DHLA 40 (34mm venturies) K&N filter -Pertronix ignitor in stock 25d distributor -3.9 rearend - Rivergate 5-speed, front disk brakes This engine idles smooth and revs easily, and has plenty of low end torque, which you don't get with a racing cam. For example, I was out for a drive with a few other sprite owners, and one guy had a 'race' cam and a DCOE45 on his 1275 sprite (very lumpy idle). When we started up a windy mountain road (HWY 9 - santa cruz mountians), I easily left the race-preped sprite in the dust. It seems he had to keep his engine revs really high and stay in low gears to try and keep up (no low end torque). Now I'm sure on a track, where you keep the car at 60+mph, he'd probably leave me behind, but since I never run my car on a track, who cares? BTW- I've also run the stock dual SU hs2's which had pretty much the same performance, however, you just gotta love that 'induction growl' from a weber or dellorto sidedraft:-) --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Michael Rowe wrote: From: Michael Rowe Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A series crankshafts To: "spridgets list" Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 9:22 AM > I agree with the others. For the amount of power you are looking for, > you NEED to talk to one or all of the names the others have given you. OK. There is no question about this for extreme upgrades. But what if you don't want an extreme racing engine, just a really good street engine - plenty of power, smooth-running, durable, etc. Vizard is very clear about balancing components, but there is so much information that it is hard to sort out intermediate levels of build. On scanning, other books are similar, although not as detailed. How about it racers? Is there a cookbook for building a level 3 engine (out of 6) with mostly bolt-on components? How about a list of parts: 1. HIF6 carb with K&N filters. 2. Titan intake manifold. 3. Etc. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bvsprite at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From thcollin at mtu.edu Wed Dec 10 16:35:40 2008 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:35:40 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay item.... In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812101416q6a140d4evc891189f2c510f7@mail.gmail.com > References: <43840a7e0812101416q6a140d4evc891189f2c510f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78mg19$5e6jb2@email.mtu.edu> Seems like, in light of news from Illinois, that all jokes about politics in New Jersey should be suspended (for awhile) - especially if the joke teller is from Illinois. The one exception might be if one of the Illinois Spridgeters actually lands a Senate seat. :-) Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 10 19:22:44 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:22:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay item....--ZERO LBC In-Reply-To: <78mg19$5e6jb2@email.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <> Tim, I am pretty sure (for THIS one) I CAN speak for David L., Grasshopper, David G., and myself that NONE of us would even WANT said "seat" now or until Blago is cellmate to Geo. Ryan LET ALONE even want to pay (up to & including) $ 1.00 USD !!! For those that might be even the slightest interested in watching/listening to who IS the best U.S. Attorney (field) General, a visit to: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/BREAKING-NEWSTribune-Reports-Blagojevic h-Has-Been-Taken-Into-Custody.html with the 'clips' currently #2 & #3 down on left side of page. Personally, I can NEVER recall being so riveted to a TV (then going back to re-review) to pay attention to ANYBODY delivering such an oration. Also, be SURE to watch/listen to the comment(s) by the Agent-in-charge of Chi. Off. - FBI !! And TRUST me, Mr. Fitzgerald has NOT chatted about 'the bottom of the barrel' YET !!! In this case the OLD saying of "stay tuned" is EXTREMELY lame and does not even remotely describe the "situation". Ed From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 10 19:36:41 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:36:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay item....--ZERO LBC References: Message-ID: > Tim, I am pretty sure (for THIS one) I CAN speak for David L., > Grasshopper, > David G., and myself that NONE of us would even WANT > said "seat" now or until Blago is cellmate to Geo. Ryan LET ALONE even > want to pay (up to & including) $ 1.00 USD !!! Even without this situation, I would pay good money NOT to be considered for ANY political office. David Lieb From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 10 20:59:11 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:59:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ebay item....--ZERO LBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DA*M, David !!! <> So you WANT (HOW MUCH???) me to return the Petition Forms I got just TODAY to get you nominated for Cook County Board President (to REPLACE 'Thumbs (IN the 'coffers') Todd Stroger' with YOU (David 'Sandals' Leib)??? Since WE know better than to 'discuss' this further on a telephone, you have my mailing address, so just send your Western Union MoneyGram to my home address (PLAIN white envelope, PLEASE) by standard USPS Mail. On second thought, please deliver to me IN PERSON on the steps of 121 Symonds Drive (you KNOW what 'town'). That way we can just be a couple 'plain' LBCers (so wear SHOES for whilst out of car ONLY) and won't offer up a clue to anybody that might be watching. I would think that $50,001.00 should do it. That OK with you (I sincerely hope) ??? My best regards & looking forward to a mutually rewarding business venture !! Me Please visit my site at: www.justbrits.com From hal at katemuir.com Thu Dec 11 10:23:19 2008 From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:23:19 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rockers: springs or spacers? Message-ID: Spridgeteers, Continuing my long-term motor build, I am checking the fit of my hi-lift rockers. What is the consensus on using springs versus rigid spacers to hold the rockers in position on the shaft? Vizard actually reccommends springs, but I'm wondering what the collective wisdom of the list is. Hal From davriker at nwi.net Thu Dec 11 11:49:46 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:49:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rockers: springs or spacers? References: Message-ID: <746E68A91A0941D69F0363CC88F99BD2@MAIN> I am running hi lift roller rockers. I decided on rigid spacers, because I could more accurately locate the roller tip over the valve stem. David Riker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Faulkner" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Rockers: springs or spacers? > Spridgeteers, > Continuing my long-term motor build, I am checking the fit of my hi-lift > rockers. What is the consensus on using springs versus rigid spacers to > hold the rockers in position on the shaft? Vizard actually reccommends > springs, but I'm wondering what the collective wisdom of the list is. > Hal > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From bvsprite at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 13:42:51 2008 From: bvsprite at yahoo.com (bv) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:42:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Rockers: springs or spacers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <27647.30055.qm@web53810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm using a both shims and the standard rocker springs. I pickup up some polished washer type shims to accurately locate each rocker over the top of each valve (you still want them a little off-center). I don't remember where I got them (probably Mini-mania at the time), but I'm sure you can find them elsewhere, or simply make your own. Regards, Bryan Vandiver '59 bugeye - 1275 San Jose, CA --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Hal Faulkner wrote: From: Hal Faulkner Subject: [Spridgets] Rockers: springs or spacers? To: "Spridgets" Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:23 AM Spridgeteers, Continuing my long-term motor build, I am checking the fit of my hi-lift rockers. What is the consensus on using springs versus rigid spacers to hold the rockers in position on the shaft? Vizard actually reccommends springs, but I'm wondering what the collective wisdom of the list is. Hal You are subscribed as bvsprite at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From soavero at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 15:11:55 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:11:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Rockers: springs or spacers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <74843.36230.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Hal Faulkner wrote: > springs, but I'm wondering what the collective wisdom > of the list is. Titan and Jack Knight rockers use spacers, so I do too. Ron From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 20:12:48 2008 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:12:48 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] MG trunk emblem source? Message-ID: <121220080312.1531.4941D6B000063A03000005FB22165579969B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> My original 74 one cracked, I ordered one from victoria B's but when I got it it was scratched and a sticker instead of the 3 prong original variety. I sent it back, anybody have another source? or should i try again with vic B or moss. Thanks Ryan From tinydog at snet.net Fri Dec 12 06:01:35 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:01:35 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] MG trunk emblem source? In-Reply-To: <121220080312.1531.4941D6B000063A03000005FB22165579969B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <121220081301.17336.494260AF00022A55000043B822230703629B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog suggested: This one might work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MGB-MIDGET-MG-TRUNK-EMBLEM-70-80_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem200260629743QQitemZ200260629743QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories -------------- Original message from ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net: -------------- My original 74 one cracked, I ordered one from victoria B's but when I got it it was scratched and a sticker instead of the 3 prong original variety. I sent it > back, anybody have another source? or should i try again with vic B or moss. > Thanks > Ryan From mdrowe at optonline.net Fri Dec 12 16:09:46 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:09:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Currency exchange Message-ID: <1307BA26B76048CFBBB935C4CE0D0B66@Home> In the current economic turmoil, there are possibilities for significant savings on large catalogue purchases from the UK, even including shipping. I just got a set of four Minilight wheels shipped for $106 less than the US wholesale price without shipping - several hundred less than the retail price with shipping. Many of our spridget parts come from the UK in the first place. Any thoughts from our UK members on whether or not this might make sense? What is the UK catalogue price for a Longman GT7 head, for example? Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From dwoerpel at wi.net Fri Dec 12 22:41:40 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:41:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Cheap Speed Message-ID: <49434B14.60102@wi.net> OK folks, this could make a real O.S.H.I.T. meeting and win some $$$$ reserves for more O.S.H.I.T. projects. I mean if they did it with a Beetle.......... http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/challenge/ebay/ Hmmmm. Dave 59 :{) Burlington WI, balmy tonight, 16*F From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Fri Dec 12 23:26:17 2008 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:26:17 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Cheap Speed Message-ID: <38bb01c95ceb$b4707a70$056a010a@mail2world.com> Yhis should be easy for Frank. After all, he did the BABE rally Midget on 1/8 of that budget! -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> >From: David Woerpel [dwoerpel at wi.net] >Sent: 12/13/2008 12:42:40 AM >To: spridgets at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Cheap Speed > >OK folks, this could make a real O.S.H.I.T. meeting and win some $$$$ >reserves for more O.S.H.I.T. projects. I mean if they did it with a >Beetle.......... > >http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/challenge/ebay/ > >Hmmmm. > >Dave >59 :{) >Burlington WI, balmy tonight, 16*F From dwoerpel at wi.net Fri Dec 12 23:33:56 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:33:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt Message-ID: <49435754.6080202@wi.net> Glenn, In the same issue is the following article: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/megacapable/ They should do a write up on your experience! Dave 59 :{) Burlington WI From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Dec 13 07:39:36 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:39:36 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Currency exchange Message-ID: It's possible some US suppliers have parts on the shelves they purchased when the exchange rate was higher so they can't afford to discount them to sell at a lower price. With big stuff you need to an accurate shipping weight and price to see if it makes sense. You also have to be aware that a lot of British parts are simply made in China along with the stuff you buy in the USA - it just has a different boat ride to reach you. Weslake-Monza1330 In a message dated 13/12/2008 00:02:31 GMT Standard Time, md rowe at optonline.net writes: Any thoughts from our UK members on whether or not this might make sense? From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sat Dec 13 07:56:27 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:56:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Sprite-Midget Calendars Message-ID: <1AA1B6E1F1E245DB9AEDCEFDC9D91DAE@midget> I just got my nice new Sprite-Midget Club USA calendars last night. There was a little confusion over the RMA, but they sent me a new set and this time they are beautiful! I just can't believe what a great calendar Cafe Press prints... nice heavy paper stock, full-bleed color (sounds appropriate for a Spridget calendar somehow ;), and even lousy pictures look good on it. Best of all, there is no up-front commitment to buy 500 or 1000 of them and hope you sell enough to break even. You make a profit on the very first sale and on every sale afterwards; you never run out and wish you had ordered more, either. The only weakness of the CP calendars is that they do not allow you to specify a custom list of dates, but it would be a lot more work if they did. I hope we get a good grubstake built up for the Spridget celebration of the Midget 50th in 2011. If any of you are thinking about doing a calendar for some other organization, feel free to drop me a note off-List and I will be happy to bore you to tears with the details of how they were generated. David Lieb From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Sat Dec 13 09:14:36 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:14:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt Message-ID: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu> Exactly my experience. Way fun and worth it to me. Cold start and drive-away performance, acceleration response, ABSOLUTE mixture control under all conditions, automatic altitude adjustment, fuel economy, BIG emissions improvement and like he said, "never smell gas". (Did I mention more horsepower?) Whats not to like? I'm thinking about building a normally aspirated 1275 manifold/Megasquirt bolt-on setup to put on the Morris truck one day. Something others would have some interest in copying rather than the turbo deal on Bugsy thats too much for most folks. Simple welded steel intake, 2 into one, single upstream injector, simple aftermarket or junkyard throttlebody Glen > Glenn, > > In the same issue is the following article: > > http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/megacapable/ > > They should do a write up on your experience! > > Dave > 59 :{) > Burlington WI > _______________________________________________ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sat Dec 13 10:33:06 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:33:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt References: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: > Whats not to like? I'm thinking about building a normally aspirated 1275 > manifold/Megasquirt bolt-on setup to put on the Morris truck one day. > Something others would have some interest in copying rather than the turbo > deal on Bugsy thats too much for most folks. Simple welded steel intake, > 2 > into one, single upstream injector, simple aftermarket or junkyard > throttlebody Make a kit for that that will fit a Spridget and I would certainly be interested. Maybe a couple of levels for those who want to build their own MS. Perhaps a List-kit where one guy supplies the intake, one supplies the crank trigger wheel, one finds the EDIS systems, etc. David From hal at katemuir.com Sat Dec 13 10:41:04 2008 From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:41:04 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt In-Reply-To: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: Glen, et al, I have been thinking aout the moving target that is my rebuild. I have a maniflow intake and several sets of HS2s. how feasable do you think it would be to modify the carbs to be throtle bodies? Also where would one mount a trigger wheel on the A series? The logical place is the damper, but could you get it on there and still be able to change the fan belt without pulling the engine? Or at least raising it off the front mounts? Hal Glen said, "I'm thinking about building a normally aspirated 1275 manifold/Megasquirt bolt-on setup to put on the Morris truck one day. Something others would have some interest in copying rather than the turbo deal on Bugsy thats too much for most folks. Simple welded steel intake, 2 into one, single upstream injector, simple aftermarket or junkyard throttlebody" From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sat Dec 13 10:51:24 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:51:24 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt References: Message-ID: > Also where would one > mount a trigger wheel on the A series? The logical place is the damper, > but > could you get it on there and still be able to change the fan belt without > pulling the engine? Or at least raising it off the front mounts? Hal, What I have seen done is to take the damper to a machine shop and have them machine the rim of it to BE the trigger wheel. Loses a little weight AND eliminates the need to add more moving weight; double win! If the rim moves in relation to the center, however, it could make life interesting. Probably be a good idea to cut a line across from rim to center in two or three spots to be able to check for movement. David Lieb From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 13 11:00:00 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:00:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt References: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" To: "Glen Byrns" ; "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Megasquirt > Whats not to like? I'm thinking about building a normally aspirated 1275 > manifold/Megasquirt bolt-on setup to put on the Morris truck one day. > Something others would have some interest in copying rather than the turbo > deal on Bugsy thats too much for most folks. Simple welded steel intake, > 2 > into one, single upstream injector, simple aftermarket or junkyard > throttlebody Make a kit for that that will fit a Spridget and I would certainly be interested. Maybe a couple of levels for those who want to build their own MS. Perhaps a List-kit where one guy supplies the intake, one supplies the crank trigger wheel, one finds the EDIS systems, etc. David _______________________________________________ Seriously, if one or more of the list members were to put together a kit for sale to the others, I think it would go over well. I'm sure there are many listers and others who would love to have FI on their cars, but are not knowledgeable enough or otherwise inclined to do a complete DIY. Price it so that they can make a few bucks for their time and, maybe, a few more to throw in the coffers for the Midget 50th? I'd be there with cash in hand. LAD From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Dec 13 14:20:10 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:20:10 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt In-Reply-To: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu> References: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <19810377005.20081213132010@pacifier.com> Hello Glen, You may have found a second career.. there are millions,.. no, thousands, .. no... hundreds....well at least 10.. maybe who would definetly buy such a kit....! You could make it and have MOSS resell it! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" You're the reason my dog is pregnant, aren't you?! From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 14:34:43 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:34:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt In-Reply-To: <19810377005.20081213132010@pacifier.com> References: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu>, <19810377005.20081213132010@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <4943B9F3.28268.130A6CF@kk7ss.verizon.net> I'd be intrerested in such a kit... But not if Moss got into the act, I would not be able to afford their mark-up!! 4,000 "greenies" for the basic turbo kit !!! Ouch!! On 13 Dec 2008 at 13:20, Bill L wrote: >> You may have found a second career.. there are millions,.. no, >> thousands, .. no... hundreds....well at least 10.. maybe who >> would definetly buy such a kit....! You could make it and have >> MOSS resell it! -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Sat Dec 13 15:14:01 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:14:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] A-series EFI Message-ID: <200812132214.mBDME1DQ025689@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> I didn't and wouldn't use EDIS and a trigger wheel. Its too much work and looks too obvious. Simple, cheap and easy is to lock out the dizzy advance, use a crane cams optical trigger in the dizzy to fire the original coil. The trouble in converting an SU to a TB is the need to fit a potentiometer for the necessary throttle position sensing. The rest is easy. A single 38lb/hr injector would be good over 100hp, still idle well and easy to work into a single intake manifold. The trigger wheel lovers speak of absolute accuracy. Un-neccessarily anal me thinks. And the mild spark demands of a non-turbo/SC engine make EDIS another un-needed expense and complexity. Glen From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sat Dec 13 16:35:46 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:35:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Currency exchange References: Message-ID: <0372A562E5714CB48DE78017E2F65B87@midget> > It's possible some US suppliers have parts on the shelves they purchased > when the exchange rate was higher so they can't afford to discount them to > sell > at a lower price. > > With big stuff you need to an accurate shipping weight and price to see if > it makes sense. > > You also have to be aware that a lot of British parts are simply made in > China along with the stuff you buy in the USA - it just has a different > boat > ride to reach you. OTOH, it IS a good opportunity to pick up some of those things which are difficult to find on this side of the pond. BUT, beware of the hidden costs. Your credit card will generally hit you up for an additional 3% or so to cover currency conversion and the shipper will come back a week or two after you get the product with a bill for customs, too. Just when you figured it had slipped through. UPS tends to add a fee for having run the border from Canada for you, too. You would think there was a gauntlet of machine-gun nests they had to fight their way past or something rather than NAFTA. So, figure out your best price, tack on another 10% and see whether it still makes sense. David Lieb From derf247 at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 16:48:46 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:48:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A-series EFI In-Reply-To: <200812132214.mBDME1DQ025689@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> References: <200812132214.mBDME1DQ025689@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812131548s7b6d6773nf3e376c72c4aed3a@mail.gmail.com> Save much time and trouble and fit a TB setup from a late model injected motorcycle. You can find them cheap on ebay from people who want their bikes to go 200MPH instead of the factory 150MPH. Once you get TB with sensors and injector you can fit an intake air temp sensor, coolant temp sensor, and O2 sensor. The EDIS system is good and not too hard to acquire and fit. The optical trigger works, too. The MegaSquirt can be used for just injection or both injection and ignition. You can control timing for forced induction applications. Cheers, Derf From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 13 17:50:14 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:50:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Not completely Healey..but worth watching Message-ID: >From a long time Canadian eMail friend who is ONLY on the Big Healey Autox List. I have NOT had time to view Parts 2 & 3 but this Part # 1 is, whilst being VERY 'sad', is great (and more than worth your time) !!!!! *************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Michael S_____ Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:07 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Not completely Healey..but worth watching Ever wondered what happened to the British Motor Industry.. Maybe a lesson in here for Detroit. http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=EAWH0EfMDfc&feature=related Michael S_____ 100 (1953) #174 AHX12 (1953) Bugeye (1961) ************************************************************* FYI, FWIW, HTH & YMMV (and don't shoot the messenger!!). Ed From twobees at sprynet.com Sat Dec 13 18:03:48 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (twobees at sprynet.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:03:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Spridgets] Spriget Trans Builder in SE US? Message-ID: <23720297.1229216628522.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> When I was in New England, John Esposito--Quantum Mechanics was a couple of towns away. He built me a great trans for my MGB. Now I'm in Florida. SO, John is a bit far. Anyone know of a good trans-builder in the southeast? I'm near Tampa. Had a lot of trouble with the current trans today at Roebling Road & a few weeks ago at Moroso. While I'm the first to admit that I'm not used to shifting with my left hand, and the clutch master cylinder is in bad shape, I'd like to find someone near here who can improve this trans the way John did my MGB -- a great rebuild with racing in mind, c.r. gears from an MGC, and an o.d. No need for o.d. on the Turner, although 6,000 rpms & an indicated 105 mph on the long straight at Roebling might indicate a need. Any leads will be appreciated. Norm Sippel '59 Turner In Memoriam Steve Agins, Mr. Turner US. From pelliott at innercite.com Sat Dec 13 18:51:03 2008 From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:51:03 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Megasquirt In-Reply-To: References: <200812131614.mBDGEaIT008987@celerio.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <013a01c95d8e$6eef3740$4ccda5c0$@com> I have a small CNC mill and a small CNC lathe...... just saying.. www.syilamerica.com I could do some milling on pulleys and balancers. -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:00 AM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Megasquirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" To: "Glen Byrns" ; "Spridgets" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Megasquirt > Whats not to like? I'm thinking about building a normally aspirated 1275 > manifold/Megasquirt bolt-on setup to put on the Morris truck one day. > Something others would have some interest in copying rather than the turbo > deal on Bugsy thats too much for most folks. Simple welded steel intake, > 2 > into one, single upstream injector, simple aftermarket or junkyard > throttlebody Make a kit for that that will fit a Spridget and I would certainly be interested. Maybe a couple of levels for those who want to build their own MS. Perhaps a List-kit where one guy supplies the intake, one supplies the crank trigger wheel, one finds the EDIS systems, etc. David _______________________________________________ Seriously, if one or more of the list members were to put together a kit for sale to the others, I think it would go over well. I'm sure there are many listers and others who would love to have FI on their cars, but are not knowledgeable enough or otherwise inclined to do a complete DIY. Price it so that they can make a few bucks for their time and, maybe, a few more to throw in the coffers for the Midget 50th? I'd be there with cash in hand. LAD You are subscribed as pelliott at innercite.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1845 - Release Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Sat Dec 13 20:38:19 2008 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:38:19 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Need gift ideas for hannukah Message-ID: <121420080338.27086.49447FAB0002D432000069CE22165279669B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> My mom wnats to get me one of the midget books for the holidays. I have none other than chiltons. what are your recomendations? ryan From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Sat Dec 13 20:44:36 2008 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:44:36 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] just saw this on craigslist Message-ID: <121420080344.4731.49448124000816440000127B22165279669B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> WHAT a WASTE! http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/956805086.html only 1000 miles! poor abused car its the cinderella of the MG's From stevenm at optonline.net Sat Dec 13 20:47:16 2008 From: stevenm at optonline.net (Steven Michelsen) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:47:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Need gift ideas for hannukah References: <121420080338.27086.49447FAB0002D432000069CE22165279669B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> Message-ID: well there's no shortage of choices... http://tinyurl.com/5qthu4 Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Need gift ideas for hannukah > My mom wnats to get me one of the midget books for the holidays. I have > none other than chiltons. what are your recomendations? > ryan From tinydog at snet.net Sat Dec 13 20:51:15 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:51:15 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Need gift ideas for hannukah In-Reply-To: <121420080338.27086.49447FAB0002D432000069CE22165279669B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <121420080351.7486.494482B3000B4CFF00001D3E22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog recommends: http://www.amazon.com/Midget-Exhibit-Images-Heyday-Display/dp/0764321145/ref= sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229226594&sr=8-1 -------------- Original message from ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net: -------------- My mom wnats to get me one of the midget books for the holidays. I have none > other than chiltons. what are your recomendations? > ryan From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sat Dec 13 21:02:31 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:02:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] just saw this on craigslist References: <121420080344.4731.49448124000816440000127B22165279669B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> Message-ID: > WHAT a WASTE! > http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/956805086.html > only 1000 miles! > poor abused car its the cinderella of the MG's "fully loaded with less than 1,000 original factory miles. " I didn't know the factory put THAT many miles on them! From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 13 21:38:47 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:38:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] just saw this on craigslist In-Reply-To: <121420080344.4731.49448124000816440000127B22165279669B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> IIRC, that's either Macy's or Kevin V.'s "stash"!?!?!? One of them WAS tellin' me about at the last LBC Rallye!!!! Frank From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 13 21:42:09 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:42:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah Message-ID: Brain is as 'tiny' as the 'dog', tinydogSEZ 'cause the link does NOT work BECAUSE yer too lazy to use www.TINYurl.com. Prophetic, me thinks & LMAO !! -----Original Message----- From: tinydog at snet.net [mailto:tinydog at snet.net] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:51 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Need gift ideas for hannukah tinydog recommends: http://www.amazon.com/Midget-Exhibit-Images-Heyday-Display/dp/0764321145/ref = sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229226594&sr=8-1 -------------- Original message from ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net: -------------- My mom wnats to get me one of the midget books for the holidays. I have none > other than chiltons. what are your recomendations? > ryan You are subscribed as shop at justbrits.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sat Dec 13 21:50:45 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:50:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah References: Message-ID: <258B9E558FFF4ACEA6B0E0AECD57F257@midget> > Brain is as 'tiny' as the 'dog', tinydogSEZ 'cause the link does NOT work > BECAUSE yer too lazy to use www.TINYurl.com. > Prophetic, me thinks & LMAO !! Naw, that's just the standard technique to weed out the people who don't really have the want-to to get there. From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 22:08:01 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:08:01 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49442431.24813.2CFA65B@kk7ss.verizon.net> Content-type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="Alt-Boundary-30810.47162971" --Alt-Boundary-30810.47162971 I just don't get the ad for Vizards book... Quote: "1 new from $51.29 1 used from $66.04" Unquote: It's worth more if it's used ?????????? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! --Alt-Boundary-30810.47162971
I just don't get the ad for Vizards book...
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"1 new from $51.29 1 used from $66.04"
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It's worth more if it's used ??????????
 
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Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA

If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !!
--Alt-Boundary-30810.47162971-- From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 22:18:39 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:18:39 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Sorry... Message-ID: <494426AF.3185.2D96288@kk7ss.verizon.net> Sorry for the HTML crap... Didn't check my mail programs' settings after an update... -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 22:30:18 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:30:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <524733.71109.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Works fine. Get a real browser. --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Ed's Shop wrote: > From: Ed's Shop > Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:42 PM > Brain is as 'tiny' as the 'dog', tinydogSEZ > 'cause the link does NOT work > BECAUSE yer too lazy to use www.TINYurl.com. > Prophetic, me thinks & LMAO !!info/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Dec 13 23:02:23 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:02:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A-series EFI References: <200812132214.mBDME1DQ025689@citheronia.ucdavis.edu> <5f00d9910812131548s7b6d6773nf3e376c72c4aed3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09FCEA2CC9C94F4E805FC65BE746CFE6@blackbox2> A while back I picked up a TBI off of a Geo Metro from the local boneyard for just this purpose. I was going to use this with the megasquirt to feed my Judson. A couple items have kept me from persuing this further. #1 is the exspensive fuel pump, regulator, and having to plumb the return line back to the tank. #2 My current 1 1/2 inch SU works fine. I find it hard to upgrade when it's working OK now. In any case I just thought I would mention the Metro TBI. It's well sized for the Spridget and has the throttle position sensor integrated. I think it has the fuel pressure regulator and idle control integrated as well. I think that this TBI coupled with a single flange downdraft manifold along with a 5 speed and you could end up with 55-60 mpg highway easy. That might come in handy some day, when the price of gas jumps back up. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Dec 14 02:21:23 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:21:23 EST Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah Message-ID: It's indexed by greasy fingerprints on the most useful and interesting pages. In a message dated 14/12/2008 05:07:34 GMT Standard Time, kk7ss at verizon.net writes: I just don't get the ad for Vizards book... Quote: "1 new from $51.29 1 used from $66.04" Unquote: It's worth more if it's used ?????????? From andrewpayne at intrex.net Sun Dec 14 07:23:44 2008 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:23:44 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah Message-ID: Please avoid the siren's call of Tinyurl. I may be the only one, but Tinyurl has NEVER worked for me. For what it's worth, I gave up even trying to follow the links. I ALWAYS get browser problems when I do. I would much rather cut and paste a complete web address than get emails with truly dead links. Drew -----Original Message----- From: shop at justbrits.com To: "spridgets at autox.team.net" Sent: 12/13/08 11:42 PM Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah Brain is as 'tiny' as the 'dog', tinydogSEZ 'cause the link does NOT work BECAUSE yer too lazy to use www.TINYurl.com. Prophetic, me thinks & LMAO !! From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 07:25:38 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:25:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Spriget Trans Builder in SE US? In-Reply-To: <23720297.1229216628522.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <744784.77725.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/13/08, twobees at sprynet.com wrote: Anyone know of a good trans-builder in the southeast? I'm near Tampa. Call up the guys at Grassroots Motorsports. They aren't too far away from you and should know better than anyone who is near (and more importantly, good). David Booker '71 Midget Long Island From shop at justbrits.com Sun Dec 14 08:11:30 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:11:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah In-Reply-To: <524733.71109.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <> Hopper, YOU must have one of the most advanced (experimental??) 'browser' in the universe !!! Prolly around 99+% (CapnBob & Montana Bob EXCLUDED) of the folks I have ever known and the folks I still know use eMail Clients (aka programs) to read their mail?? So pray tell, what is the name of your 'browser' that displays your emails ?? Oh, wait !!! MUST be some NEW Mac/Apple product?!?!? Did I get it ?? From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 14 08:31:36 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:31:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah. Now TinyURL References: Message-ID: <9BD87BD285004E17971F9F4FBE02302F@Larry> Besides, it pisses Ed off. That, alone, makes it worthwhile. ;-)) Anon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Payne" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah Please avoid the siren's call of Tinyurl. I may be the only one, but Tinyurl has NEVER worked for me. For what it's worth, I gave up even trying to follow the links. I ALWAYS get browser problems when I do. I would much rather cut and paste a complete web address than get emails with truly dead links. Drew -----Original Message----- From: shop at justbrits.com To: "spridgets at autox.team.net" Sent: 12/13/08 11:42 PM Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah Brain is as 'tiny' as the 'dog', tinydogSEZ 'cause the link does NOT work BECAUSE yer too lazy to use www.TINYurl.com. Prophetic, me thinks & LMAO !! You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Dec 14 10:34:36 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:34:36 EST Subject: [Spridgets] A-series EFI Message-ID: One of my favourite quotes from 'Automotive Fuel Injection Systems - A technical guide - by Jan P Norbye. The quote is from a Bendix engineer working on developing electronic fuel injection: "As one of our engineers observed at the time, 'We have a new electronic fuel injection system that is almost as reliable as a forteen dollar carburettor ; and only costs twenty times as much'." Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 14/12/2008 06:04:33 GMT Standard Time, dlh2001 at comcast.net writes: A while back I picked up a TBI off of a Geo Metro from the local boneyard for just this purpose. I was going to use this with the megasquirt to feed my Judson. A couple items have kept me from persuing this further. #1 is the exspensive fuel pump, regulator, and having to plumb the return line back to the tank. #2 My current 1 1/2 inch SU works fine. I find it hard to upgrade when it's working OK now. In any case I just thought I would mention the Metro TBI. It's well sized for the Spridget and has the throttle position sensor integrated. I think it has the fuel pressure regulator and idle control integrated as well. I think that this TBI coupled with a single flange downdraft manifold along with a 5 speed and you could end up with 55-60 mpg highway easy. That might come in handy some day, when the price of gas jumps back up. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 10:57:12 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:57:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] A-series EFI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910812140957m23515ec0q7aa923a48d1b187a@mail.gmail.com> A Model A was almost as reliable as a good horse. My Japanese Roadster is almost as reliable as the Sun. Carbs are cool, especially SUs, but modern hot rodding with fuel injection systems give you a whole new level of control. From wmgilroy at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 12:44:46 2008 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:44:46 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Spriget Trans Builder in SE US? In-Reply-To: <744784.77725.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <744784.77725.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4945622E.80109@gmail.com> That is a great idea. David Booker wrote: > --- On Sat, 12/13/08, twobees at sprynet.com wrote: > Anyone know of a good trans-builder in the southeast? I'm near Tampa. > > > Call up the guys at Grassroots Motorsports. They aren't too far away from you > and should know better than anyone who is near (and more importantly, good). > David Booker > '71 Midget > Long Island > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kentmclean at comcast.net Sun Dec 14 14:16:11 2008 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:16:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] A-series EFI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4945779B.70709@comcast.net> WeslakeMonza1330 wrote: > One of my favourite quotes from 'Automotive Fuel Injection Systems - A > technical guide - by Jan P Norbye. The quote is from a Bendix engineer > working on developing electronic fuel injection: > > "As one of our engineers observed at the time, 'We have a new electronic > fuel injection system that is almost as reliable as a forteen dollar > carburettor ; and only costs twenty times as much'." That may be why you don't hear much about Bendix Fuel Injection. Googling turns up a bunch of links. I like this one: -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Dec 14 14:39:42 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:39:42 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It's worth more if it's used ?????????? Start buying and using as many as you can. You'll make a fortune. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 19:42:35 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:42:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] FW: Need gift ideas for hannukah In-Reply-To: References: <524733.71109.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812141842g1ca19ef9j47286ce17a7971@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Ed's Shop wrote: > <> > > Hopper, YOU must have one of the most advanced (experimental??) > 'browser' in the universe !!! > > Prolly around 99+% (CapnBob & Montana Bob EXCLUDED) of the folks > I have ever known and the folks I still know use eMail Clients > (aka programs) to read their mail?? > > So pray tell, what is the name of your 'browser' that displays your > emails ?? Oh, wait !!! MUST be some NEW Mac/Apple product?!?!? > > Did I get it ?? My gmail account is accessed through my Firefox browser. I may be in the minority, though. From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Mon Dec 15 07:59:23 2008 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:59:23 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] A-series EFI Message-ID: <1571401c95ec5$b7a37180$056a010a@mail2world.com> Electronics ahve come a long way since the 50's (the Chrysler you mention below), and even the 70's (Cosworth Vega, for example). Bendix also licensed a bunch of stuff from Bosch. The injectors in my Cosworth Vega are from Bosch. -=Chris (Cosworth Vega w/Bendix EFI) Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: Kent McLean [kentmclean at comcast.net] Sent: 12/14/2008 4:17:11 PM To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A-series EFI WeslakeMonza1330 wrote: > One of my favourite quotes from 'Automotive Fuel Injection Systems - A > technical guide - by Jan P Norbye. The quote is from a Bendix engineer > working on developing electronic fuel injection: > > "As one of our engineers observed at the time, 'We have a new electronic > fuel injection system that is almost as reliable as a forteen dollar > carburettor ; and only costs twenty times as much'." That may be why you don't hear much about Bendix Fuel Injection. Googling turns up a bunch of links. I like this one: -- Kent McLean From redmidget72 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 09:27:11 2008 From: redmidget72 at yahoo.com (Red Midget) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Impact Wrench (NO LBC) Message-ID: <871752.81837.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey Guys, I am looking for an electric impact wrench, 12 volt DC or 110 volt AC powered. Cheap priced to moderatly priced. Any suggestions, experiences, comments are welcome. T.I.A. Lon From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 09:46:09 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Impact Wrench (NO LBC) In-Reply-To: <871752.81837.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436061.84063.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Red Midget wrote: > I am looking for an electric impact wrench, 12 volt DC or > 110 volt AC > powered. Cheap priced to moderatly priced. Any I can't believe I am typing this, but the Harbor Freight 110V (Chicago Electric brand, I think) one for around $35 works very well. It weighs a ton, which is a good thing. I use it a lot more than the casual user. Ron From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Dec 15 09:47:53 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:47:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Impact Wrench (NO LBC) References: <871752.81837.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77540DF3B80849D09E24D15CF2575112@NilesAD.von.gov> Harbor Freight frequently puts their 110VAC 1/2" drive unit on sale under $50. I paid $70 for mine and I have been quite happy with it. They also have a 12VDC unit that goes on sale under $20 on a regular basis that is NOT something to use in your garage, but it is a great kit for putting in your wife's car. It is not fast; it is a "heavy rotor" motor that gets up to speed, kicks in a centrifugal clutch and goes wham. Then it spins up again and hits it again. Slow, but it will eventually break loose lugnuts that I would have trouble getting off with a good lugwrench. David Lieb 1972 1960 1974 1973 From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 09:49:29 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:49:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Xmas present? Message-ID: <135146.44729.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For the Spridgeteer who has everything: www.Ebay.com Item number: 290280583553 Ron From andrewpayne at intrex.net Mon Dec 15 09:53:16 2008 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:53:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Impact Wrench (NO LBC) In-Reply-To: <871752.81837.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <871752.81837.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have an 18v rechargeable from Harbor Freight for about $25. It is a 1/2 inch, and has done well. It is a wee bit underpowered, but I'm ok with using a breaker bar to do initial loosening or final tightening. It puuts out about 35 ft lbs before it slows. Drew -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Red Midget Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:27 AM To: spridgets list Subject: [Spridgets] Impact Wrench (NO LBC) Hey Guys, I am looking for an electric impact wrench, 12 volt DC or 110 volt AC powered. Cheap priced to moderatly priced. Any suggestions, experiences, comments are welcome. T.I.A. Lon You are subscribed as andrewpayne at intrex.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:07:21 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:07:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Xmas present? In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812150906q2bd3f6bajaf96194242bb3fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <135146.44729.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43840a7e0812150906q2bd3f6bajaf96194242bb3fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812150907q5d6c9a01r561ceb9ed9c092ea@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Ron! I just put this item number in my letter to Santa! It sure beats the coal and switches that he usually brings me! -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Soave wrote: > For the Spridgeteer who has everything: > > www.Ebay.com Item number: 290280583553 > > Ron From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 15 10:15:21 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:15:21 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Xmas present? In-Reply-To: <135146.44729.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I dunno ... those Bob weights make me nervous ... ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ron Soave For the Spridgeteer who has everything: www.Ebay.com Item number: 290280583553 Ron From Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com Mon Dec 15 13:08:18 2008 From: Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com (EXT-Love, Charles M) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:08:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding the Datsun 5 speed... Message-ID: <005401c95ef0$df3934c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> We have a transmission that is the one recommended by Rivergate for their conversion. Has anyone rebuilt one of these? Are there any gotchas to watch out for when doing this? We have the manual from Rivergate on the rebuild procedure, but we've never done a transmission before. Just a little nervous... Charles M. "Monty" Love Dynetics, Inc. 256-461-2780 256-337-5581 (Cell) 256-882-1543 (Home) ET Test The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 15 14:31:25 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:31:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] austin America Message-ID: <243627E77D2C44DEAE4D925CD0B0F687@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Hey Gerard, another one for you? http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/957931373.html Glen From CAWS52803 at aol.com Mon Dec 15 16:07:43 2008 From: CAWS52803 at aol.com (CAWS52803 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:07:43 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Healey 1/2 car on Ebay Message-ID: Hello and Merry Christmas fellow Healey and British car enthusiasts, I have just listed my 1/2 Healey trailer on Ebay and thought you might want a heads up on this. It has been in storage for almost 10 years and I need the room for other projects. Call or email if you have any questions. Below is the direct link to the item (320325565893). Thanks, Rudy Streng Lenoir, NC 828-754-0013 _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320325565893&ru =http%3A%2F%2Fmotors.shop.ebay.com%3A80%2F__%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_ nkw%3D320325565893%26_nd1%3D%26_fvi%3D1_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320325565893&ru=http://motors.shop.ebay.com:80/__?_f rom=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=320325565893&_nd1=&_fvi=1) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Dec 15 16:17:00 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:17:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage Message-ID: <4946E56C.9000606@wi.net> Dave L., How come your place is up for sale? Sounds pretty nice. http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/950790840.html Dave W. From shop at justbrits.com Mon Dec 15 16:34:39 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:34:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage In-Reply-To: <4946E56C.9000606@wi.net> Message-ID: <> I asked for approx. location, Dave!! From billmasq at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 16:35:31 2008 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:35:31 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding the Datsun 5 speed... In-Reply-To: <005401c95ef0$df3934c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> References: <005401c95ef0$df3934c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: Only thing to watch out for (far as I have heard) is that some of the new syncro rings don't fit and you could have a non-syncro trans really quick. If you replace the syncros just test fit them to the gear to see that they seem to grab properly before you put it together for real. Bill> From: Charles.M.Love2 at boeing.com> To: spridgets at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:08:18 -0600> Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding the Datsun 5 speed...> > We have a transmission that is the one recommended by Rivergate for their> conversion.> > Has anyone rebuilt one of these? Are there any gotchas to watch out for> when doing this?> > We have the manual from Rivergate on the rebuild procedure, but we've never> done a transmission before.> > Just a little nervous...> > Charles M. "Monty" Love > Dynetics, Inc. > 256-461-2780 > 256-337-5581 (Cell)> 256-882-1543 (Home)> ET Test > > The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They> happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there.> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com> > http://www.team.net/archive> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Dec 15 17:15:44 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:15:44 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Garage In-Reply-To: <4946E56C.9000606@wi.net> References: <4946E56C.9000606@wi.net> Message-ID: <4946F330.5040100@comcast.net> David Woerpel wrote: > Dave L., > > How come your place is up for sale? Sounds pretty nice. > > http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/950790840.html 1969 Camaro-396 w/factory air, - $47,000 $47 Thousand dollars for a chebby? Oh, it has air cond, never mind. I'll check out his 12k project car instead. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From lindalnhvt at nhvt.net Mon Dec 15 17:17:09 2008 From: lindalnhvt at nhvt.net (lindalnhvt at nhvt.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:17:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye headlight dimmer switch Message-ID: <50318.72.64.3.21.1229386629.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> I ordered Vic Brit #8-316 because it was listed for the early bugeye, but it isn't right. The alternate in their book doesn't look right either. I can't find the one I took out, but I seem to remember it mounted ON the floor with wires running on top of the firewall INSIDE the car. Can anyone tell me the right one to order or have one available? I have the new wiring sub-harness for it. Thanks. Dick B. in ice storm NH From pythias at pacifier.com Mon Dec 15 17:47:43 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:47:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding the Datsun 5 speed... In-Reply-To: <005401c95ef0$df3934c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> References: <005401c95ef0$df3934c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <1722037887.20081215164743@pacifier.com> Hello Charles, @nd what Bill M. said. .....I've never done it, BUT...... I got a call from Paul A. one day. He's the maker of the MorrisService conversion and so far as i'm aware the originator or the 5 speed conversion for our cars... anyway he said one of his customers seemed to be having a problem with the shifting of his newly rebuilt (by Paul) tranny in his BE. Could I go out and meet him and we'd look together (since he did the installation into my SWA). We met up and went for a test drive. Sure enough, it was just like a crash box tranny. It could be double clutched but otherwise GRUNCHED on any change to second gear UP or DOWN. Paul is as good as his word (better even) and rebuilt the tranny again. With the same result! He was tearing his hair out and he doesn't have much to begin with. He had taken all the care in his power and has done countless numbers of rebuilds..... .. THEN he meausred the bronze syncho's (he showed me some sort of what I thought of as a great big star washer) and found them to be too THICK. only a couple of thousandsth, but they were out of spec. he had a pile of about 30 of them and fewer than half were useable. From then on he had to measure them every time he did a rebuild. ..... .. .. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Marriage is one of the chief causes of divorce. From dwramsey at att.net Mon Dec 15 19:38:02 2008 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:38:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding the Datsun 5 speed... In-Reply-To: <1722037887.20081215164743@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20081216023813.A3CF718763F@autox.team.net> The syncros should be measured every time you install one. The front bushing on the counter shaft is also critical. Thickness of the circlips needs to be right. Other than that it is just slap it together. I'd be glad to build you one of $1K. Crash Hello Charles, @nd what Bill M. said. .....I've never done it, BUT...... I got a call from Paul A. one day. He's the maker of the MorrisService conversion and so far as i'm aware the originator or the 5 speed conversion for our cars... anyway he said one of his customers seemed to be having a problem with the shifting of his newly rebuilt (by Paul) tranny in his BE. Could I go out and meet him and we'd look together (since he did the installation into my SWA). We met up and went for a test drive. Sure enough, it was just like a crash box tranny. It could be double clutched but otherwise GRUNCHED on any change to second gear UP or DOWN. Paul is as good as his word (better even) and rebuilt the tranny again. With the same result! He was tearing his hair out and he doesn't have much to begin with. He had taken all the care in his power and has done countless numbers of rebuilds..... .. THEN he meausred the bronze syncho's (he showed me some sort of what I thought of as a great big star washer) and found them to be too THICK. only a couple of thousandsth, but they were out of spec. he had a pile of about 30 of them and fewer than half were useable. From then on he had to measure them every time he did a rebuild. ..... .. .. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Marriage is one of the chief causes of divorce. You are subscribed as dwramsey at att.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Dec 15 19:46:33 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding the Datsun 5 speed... References: <005401c95ef0$df3934c0$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <43AD469C40BA4E099DF347F092DF916A@blackbox2> I bit the bullet. IMHO, Rivergate's rebuild fee is quite reasonable. That's a small price to pay to know that you can put it in and will work on the first get-go. I'm sure they have rebuilt hundreds by this point. I'm glad I did it this way. As I am in proccess with the kit presently, I have found that there are plenty of other things to keep me busy, Like re-routing the clutch line, painting my engine, painting engine compartment, installing a new ring gear on the flywheel etc... Overall I am pretty impressed with the kit. The only complaint I have is that for 948 folks they should throw in the larger oil pump cover mentioned in the instructions. Desoldering my old cover and then only later discovering that it interfered gave me a headache. No big deal. With a little help of the persuader, I worked around it, but they should just add a larger cover to the kit and adjust the price accordingly. I was even thinking of going down to the kitchen store and to see if I could find a stainless container that was the right diameter that I could cut the bottom off of to use as a cover. Other than that the kit and instructons are excellent. I am also amazed at the kit's low price. How much do you think a 15"x15"x.75" plate of T6061 cost? Go check it out at www.onlinemetals.com You will be suprized. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EXT-Love, Charles M" Subject: [Spridgets] Rebuilding the Datsun 5 speed... > We have a transmission that is the one recommended by Rivergate for their > conversion. > > Has anyone rebuilt one of these? Are there any gotchas to watch out for > when doing this? From dmeadow at juno.com Mon Dec 15 20:40:45 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Impact Wrench (NO LBC) Message-ID: <20081215.214045.2664.0.dmeadow@juno.com> I've got a Craftsman rechargeable that I've been very pleased with. It only goes up to about 50 lbs, but that's enough to get the lugs off the racecar, which is the heaviest duty use I have for it. It is 19.2 volts. The wife bought it on sale and it came with a cordless drill, two batteries, and a charger for $99. I've used the hell out of the drill, too. It it not as heavy duty but has been more reliable than the $200 DeWalt piece of crap I got that has been fixed on warranty once and still has a bad switch. You can find the combo kit here, or look for the wrench separately. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00911550000P?mv=cf&vName=Tools&c Name=Portable+Power+Tools&sbf=Brand&sbv=Craftsman David On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:27:11 -0800 (PST) Red Midget writes: > Hey Guys, > I am looking for an electric impact wrench, 12 volt DC or 110 volt > AC > powered. Cheap priced to moderatly priced. Any suggestions, > experiences, > comments are welcome. > T.I.A. Lon > ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1mBf3Pl1u0Odp1sO7MGl8Y8fYs3N6Bvo9iI9EiaX78otncA/ From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Mon Dec 15 20:45:21 2008 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:45:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] just saw this on craigslist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <263B69C8-06E3-4536-B8B3-A0AF62E48809@phillymgclub.com> not mine, it don't sleep in a garage. On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:38 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > < http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/956805086.html > only 1000 miles!>> > > IIRC, that's either Macy's or Kevin V.'s "stash"!?!?!? > > One of them WAS tellin' me about at the last LBC Rallye!!!! > > Frank > -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Board Member at Large Philadelphia MG Club One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a parked car. From daredelvis at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 09:01:48 2008 From: daredelvis at gmail.com (brian james) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:01:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye headlight dimmer switch In-Reply-To: <50318.72.64.3.21.1229386629.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> References: <50318.72.64.3.21.1229386629.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> Message-ID: <531383560812160801n4fe460a5k70abad1f7dbdfd87@mail.gmail.com> That looks right. Do you have the bracket that it mounts on? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:17 PM, wrote: > I ordered Vic Brit #8-316 because it was listed for the early bugeye, but > it isn't right. The alternate in their book doesn't look right either. I > can't find the one I took out, but I seem to remember it mounted ON the > floor with wires running on top of the firewall INSIDE the car. Can anyone > tell me the right one to order or have one available? I have the new > wiring sub-harness for it. > Thanks. > Dick B. in ice storm NH > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as daredelvis at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From nlaredbt7 at tbc.net Tue Dec 16 14:11:39 2008 From: nlaredbt7 at tbc.net (Neil Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:11:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Ashley bonnet on ebay References: <50318.72.64.3.21.1229386629.squirrel@virtwebmail.nhvt.net> Message-ID: <1E6339BED392438EA05C2A92669913D0@owner7ccec1fe9> There is an Ashley bonnet on ebay, #140288841314. Ad says it is a "Speedwell", but identified as an Ashley. Item in New Mexico. BIN for $850 or offer. See link for one on a Spridget. http://www.peterrenn.clara.net/midget.html NFI Neil Anderson From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Wed Dec 17 13:30:21 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:30:21 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] datsun 5-sp speedo gear Message-ID: I've flogged the web for weeks looking for a speedometer drive gear for a 5-sp trans. with no luck at all. I was able to find a guy who can get new shift arm boots, and I got one. But the speedo drive gear has me stumped. Is there anyone here on the list with a trashed 4 or 5-sp Datsun gearbox that still has a useable speedo drive gear? Thanks, Glen Byrns From corvallis at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 17 14:12:40 2008 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:12:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] datsun 5-sp speedo gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67BDF1F5691E48C19C65FA157E05ACD6@spider> Is this it? Halfway down the page http://www.datsunparts.com/Transmission-5-Speed Rivergate seems to offer the part also: "We can obtain other Nissan parts for you if your Nissan dealer is not a convenient source. We also stock a few small parts, gearshift bushings, speedometer pinion gear, etc. Please e-mail or call if you cannot get your Nissan parts locally." from http://www.rivergate5speed.com/pricelist.html .bill in oregon ==================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glen Byrns Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:30 PM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] datsun 5-sp speedo gear I've flogged the web for weeks looking for a speedometer drive gear for a 5-sp trans. with no luck at all. I was able to find a guy who can get new shift arm boots, and I got one. But the speedo drive gear has me stumped. Is there anyone here on the list with a trashed 4 or 5-sp Datsun gearbox that still has a useable speedo drive gear? Thanks, Glen Byrns _______________________________________________ From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Wed Dec 17 14:30:50 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:30:50 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] datsun 5-sp speedo gear References: <67BDF1F5691E48C19C65FA157E05ACD6@spider> Message-ID: <26D174F43FFF40AABDDC390A8A31DBBD@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> > Is this it? Halfway down the page > > http://www.datsunparts.com/Transmission-5-Speed > > > I have one of those on my workbench. I found this guy(very helpful), but this one is too large in diameter and the shaft is the wrong length and diameter. It will be going back. But it looks like Rivergate is the answer to my problem. THANKS BILL!!!!!! > Rivergate seems to offer the part also: > > "We can obtain other Nissan parts for you if your Nissan dealer is not a > convenient source. We also stock a few small parts, gearshift bushings, > speedometer pinion gear, etc. Please e-mail or call if you cannot get your > Nissan parts locally." > > from http://www.rivergate5speed.com/pricelist.html > > .bill in oregon From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 15:21:06 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:21:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 2009 Spridget Calendars Message-ID: <43840a7e0812171421sfc1b6c6jf29a074ac0d8df70@mail.gmail.com> As 2008 grinds inexorably to a halt, the Spridget memories of this anniversary year gleam ever brighter. Just a reminder that you can hang onto those memories with the 2009 Spridget Calendar. To get yours, go to: http://www.cafepress.com/spridget/ A lot of folks have already got one or more of the two different sized available. Feedback so far is that everyone loves them.... A modest profit on these very popular calendars goes toward the Midget 50th in 2011. Thanks to David Lieb and Bruce Hamper for putting these together! They've done a super job! -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 16:01:35 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> In 2011 the MG Midget will be 50 years old. We just celebrated the Sprite 50th this past summer but we referred to it as Spridget 50th. Which was fine by me. What do you think about calling the Midget 50th just that? Midget 50th. Not Spridget. Of course Sprites are expected to be there along with the Midgets but let's keep the goodies Midget related only. I mean do we really need dash plaques and tee shirts with a Sprite 53rd anniversary mentioned? We also need to start thinking about a place to hold the event. Mid America seemed to work out OK for the past meet. Sure Atlantic City works real nice for me and I'm sure San Francisco works well for the California folks but...... So put on your thinking caps and get to work on those minor quirks on the Midgets because you have 2.5 years to work out these bugs. Your input would be greatly appreciated. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From miniac7 at aol.com Wed Dec 17 16:06:36 2008 From: miniac7 at aol.com (miniac7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:36 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB2EB33EF3DD11-17C0-B14@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> And let's try to coordinate our date so as to avoid potential conflicts with other MG groups who may be planning a Midget celebration. Howard Collins Virginia Beach, VA. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Clarici To: Spridgets Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 6:01 pm Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In 2011 the MG Midget will be 50 years old. We just celebrated the Sprite 50th this past summer but we referred to it as? Spridget 50th. Which was fine by me.? What do you think about calling the Midget 50th just that? Midget 50th. Not Spridget.? Of course Sprites are expected to be there along with the Midgets but let's keep the goodies Midget related only.? I mean do we really need dash plaques and tee shirts with a Sprite 53rd anniversary mentioned?? We also need to start thinking about a place to hold the event. Mid America seemed to work out OK for the past meet.? Sure Atlantic City works real nice for me and I'm sure San Francisco works well for the California folks but......? ? So put on your thinking caps and get to work on those minor quirks on the Midgets because you have 2.5 years to work out these bugs. Your input would be greatly appreciated.? ? -- Frank Clarici? Toms River, NJ? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? You are subscribed as miniac7 at aol.com? ? http://www.team.net/archive? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets? From cmlove at knology.net Wed Dec 17 16:25:38 2008 From: cmlove at knology.net (Monty Love) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00bc01c9609e$c519c730$6501a8c0@se.nos.boeing.com> How about St. Louis? Seems centrally located... Charles M. "Monty" Love Dynetics, Inc. 256-461-2780 256-337-5581 (Cell) 256-882-1543 (Home) ET Test The greatest revolutions come not by the discovery of something new. They happen when someone radically changes or challenges what was always there. -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Clarici Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:02 PM To: Spridgets Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In 2011 the MG Midget will be 50 years old. We just celebrated the Sprite 50th this past summer but we referred to it as Spridget 50th. Which was fine by me. What do you think about calling the Midget 50th just that? Midget 50th. Not Spridget. Of course Sprites are expected to be there along with the Midgets but let's keep the goodies Midget related only. I mean do we really need dash plaques and tee shirts with a Sprite 53rd anniversary mentioned? We also need to start thinking about a place to hold the event. Mid America seemed to work out OK for the past meet. Sure Atlantic City works real nice for me and I'm sure San Francisco works well for the California folks but...... So put on your thinking caps and get to work on those minor quirks on the Midgets because you have 2.5 years to work out these bugs. Your input would be greatly appreciated. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ You are subscribed as cmlove at knology.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kgb at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 17 16:38:57 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:38:57 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> It seems that events of this type are always held east of the Mississippi. Can't you Easterners put on your spurs, load your Uzis and head out to the Wild West for once? Our Indians are now fairly tame, and rarely take scalps or burn wagon trains, and the roads are paved all the way to the Pacific Ocean. I have a friend who is the vice president of a major casino chain, and I can offer hotel rates that will more than offset any potential increase in gas prices, and excellent food that will even suit those who are on a budget. We have miles of twisty roads to enjoy that go up into alpine scenery that most people never believe would exist in the desert. Parking lots are safe all night long, with no danger of cars being stolen or broken into. For that matter, the streets are safe all night long if a wife needs to walk Poopsie at 0300. There is a beautiful city park that is perfect for a show & shine and BBQ, provided someone with muscle would be willing to load my two big BBQs in the back of my truck. A large lake is available 15 miles out of town that would also be a great spot for a BBQ, and have the addition of water for those who can't wait to see Brad in a Speedo and me in a bikini. I have just about any tool needed for those who might want to do repairs while here, and the local NAPA dealer gives me a great discount and can overnight just about anything in. Kate Frank Clarici wrote: > In 2011 the MG Midget will be 50 years old. We just celebrated the > Sprite 50th this past summer but we referred to it as > Spridget 50th. Which was fine by me. > What do you think about calling the Midget 50th just that? Midget > 50th. Not Spridget. > Of course Sprites are expected to be there along with the Midgets but > let's keep the goodies Midget related only. > I mean do we really need dash plaques and tee shirts with a Sprite > 53rd anniversary mentioned? > We also need to start thinking about a place to hold the event. Mid > America seemed to work out OK for the past meet. > Sure Atlantic City works real nice for me and I'm sure San Francisco > works well for the California folks but...... > > So put on your thinking caps and get to work on those minor quirks on > the Midgets because you have 2.5 years to work out these bugs. Your > input would be greatly appreciated. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1853 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 8:31 AM From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Dec 17 16:48:59 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:48:59 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812171421sfc1b6c6jf29a074ac0d8df70@mail.gmail.com> References: <43840a7e0812171421sfc1b6c6jf29a074ac0d8df70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1883654480.20081217154859@pacifier.com> Hello Jim, Geographically, if we discount the far reaches of New England, and the Panhandle of Florida, with a little experimentation of Google Earth, I find that Dodge City Kansas if very near to being the center of the US. ... We could all stay at Jim Johnson's house! That way we could almost guarantee RAIN! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" A man's best friend is his dogma. From kgb at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 17 17:11:44 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:11:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <55CB89B919E446069D7C34B9D7DB8B21@DBKF4T81> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> <55CB89B919E446069D7C34B9D7DB8B21@DBKF4T81> Message-ID: <49499540.8040503@frontiernet.net> Since our bars are open 24 hours, I guess the answer could be either. Kate Peter Shull wrote: > Living in Portland, Oregon, I'd vote for this option. One question, > though ... is Poopsie a dog or an East Coast Midget driver we've yet > to meet? > > Pete From pdx.pete at verizon.net Wed Dec 17 16:49:59 2008 From: pdx.pete at verizon.net (Peter Shull) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:49:59 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <55CB89B919E446069D7C34B9D7DB8B21@DBKF4T81> Living in Portland, Oregon, I'd vote for this option. One question, though ... is Poopsie a dog or an East Coast Midget driver we've yet to meet? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bales" Cc: "Spridgets" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > It seems that events of this type are always held east of the Mississippi. > Can't you Easterners put on your spurs, load your Uzis and head out to the > Wild West for once? Our Indians are now fairly tame, and rarely take > scalps or burn wagon trains, and the roads are paved all the way to the > Pacific Ocean. > > I have a friend who is the vice president of a major casino chain, and I > can offer hotel rates that will more than offset any potential increase in > gas prices, and excellent food that will even suit those who are on a > budget. > > We have miles of twisty roads to enjoy that go up into alpine scenery that > most people never believe would exist in the desert. Parking lots are safe > all night long, with no danger of cars being stolen or broken into. For > that matter, the streets are safe all night long if a wife needs to walk > Poopsie at 0300. > > There is a beautiful city park that is perfect for a show & shine and BBQ, > provided someone with muscle would be willing to load my two big BBQs in > the back of my truck. A large lake is available 15 miles out of town that > would also be a great spot for a BBQ, and have the addition of water for > those who can't wait to see Brad in a Speedo and me in a bikini. > > I have just about any tool needed for those who might want to do repairs > while here, and the local NAPA dealer gives me a great discount and can > overnight just about anything in. > > Kate From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 17:23:14 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8c1781040812171623t383a4bc8l6eb18d99005df8e8@mail.gmail.com> MG2011 (the big one) is in Tahoe during July I think. Just thought I'd mention it. And I'm all for naming it the Midget 50th. And St. Louis IS west of the Mississippi ! From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Dec 17 17:28:22 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:28:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <6EF2B160063E4726A4321EC9EBA327B2@Home> > It seems that events of this type are always held east of the > Mississippi. Because of the distribution of Spridgets across the > country, a central location pretty much ensures that it will be far from > everyone. It is, of course, "fair" to have everyone drive equally far, > but it may not make sense. Having it in the middle of the largest clump > of Spridgets might minimize total hassle, in that really far away people > would simply not come (or have their own celebratory clump). It is also > desirable to find a place that everyone is interested enough in being that > they are willing to travel to get there, Spridgets or not. There are no > easy solutions. Michael Rowe From kgb at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 17 17:33:05 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812171623t383a4bc8l6eb18d99005df8e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <8c1781040812171623t383a4bc8l6eb18d99005df8e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49499A41.9000700@frontiernet.net> Trevor Jessie wrote: > MG2011 (the big one) is in Tahoe during July I think. Just thought > I'd mention it. > We could have ours close to the same date and possibly draw entries from the other one. And I'm all for naming it the Midget 50th. Whether St. Louis is east, west, or _under_ the Mississippi sort of depends on the season, doesn't it? Kate > And St. Louis IS west of the Mississippi ! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 17:54:58 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:54:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <49499F62.7090307@comcast.net> Kathryn Bales wrote: > It seems that events of this type are always held east of the > Mississippi. Lake of the Ozarks was WEST of the Mississippi, I know, I drove across the Mississippi. And yes St Louis WAS under water when I went through on the way to LotO :) Healey 92 was in Colorado, again a little bit WEST of the Mississippi. I don't care where it is, I'll drive my Sprite there even if it's in San Diego. So everyone else has 2.5 years advanced notice, prep the Spridget in case you have to drive across country. Yeah, yeah, "What if it breaks down?" Got a cell phone? Get AAA or some other roadside assistance program. What if your modern plastic car broke down 1000 miles from home? Could you fix it? Nope, AAA and a cell phone. :) Now if you prep your Spridget now, you will know how to FIX it IF it breaks down miles from home. Like banging on the fuel pump to get it to work again, that doesn't work on a Honda. Filing the points on a stone from the side of the road, try THAT on your Toyota! Or even getting the dirt out of those SU carbs, if you have a fuel injection problem on your new Chevy, you're gonna call AAA from your cell phone. No excuses, you have time to prepare your car for the 2011 meet. You may have to drive it 2000 miles. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 17 18:10:37 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:10:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> <49499F62.7090307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <070AF265305442979ACC26B4C6912746@midget> Frank said: Yeah, yeah, "What if it breaks down?" Got a cell phone? Get AAA or some > other roadside assistance program. Spoken like a true Easterner. What good is a lump of metal and plastic in the limitless miles of NO SIGNAL? Doesn't work for removing knock-ons... I have been referring to it as "The Spridget Celebration of the Midget 50th" myself, but it IS a bit cumbersome. David Lieb From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Dec 17 18:21:51 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:21:51 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <070AF265305442979ACC26B4C6912746@midget> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> <49499F62.7090307@comcast.net> <070AF265305442979ACC26B4C6912746@midget> Message-ID: <723529527.20081217172151@pacifier.com> Hello David, That could be abbreviated to S.C.M. 50th? and pronounced SCUM 50th... or SCAM 50th? Either kinda fits you governor! LOLOLOLOL.... ( > I have been referring to it as "The Spridget Celebration of > the Midget 50th" myself, but it IS a bit cumbersome. > David Lieb -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Everyone is entitled to my opinion. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 17 18:24:45 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:24:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> <49499F62.7090307@comcast.net> <070AF265305442979ACC26B4C6912746@midget> <723529527.20081217172151@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <28717051093446D38D1C3AF57CEDAECF@midget> > That could be abbreviated to S.C.M. 50th? > and pronounced SCUM 50th... or SCAM 50th? > Either kinda fits you governor! I kinda like the sound of SCUM50 From kgb at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 17 18:33:34 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:33:34 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <28717051093446D38D1C3AF57CEDAECF@midget> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <49498D91.2080607@frontiernet.net> <49499F62.7090307@comcast.net> <070AF265305442979ACC26B4C6912746@midget> <723529527.20081217172151@pacifier.com> <28717051093446D38D1C3AF57CEDAECF@midget> Message-ID: <4949A86E.7090304@frontiernet.net> It does seem somehow fitting, doesn't it? Kate > > I kinda like the sound of SCUM50 From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 17 18:58:22 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:58:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <28717051093446D38D1C3AF57CEDAECF@midget> Message-ID: <20081218015823.WYAJ18930.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> If I go, do I have to tape chrome strips on the sides and hood to fit in? Chris Brookfield, WI -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:25 PM To: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > That could be abbreviated to S.C.M. 50th? > and pronounced SCUM 50th... or SCAM 50th? > Either kinda fits you governor! I kinda like the sound of SCUM50 From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Wed Dec 17 19:07:27 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:07:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: <200812180207.mBI27Rvi011486@phaenicia.ucdavis.edu> Heck, if a Mini can crash LotO, the gates are open eh, Peter? I'm thinking of showing up in a Morris truck, possibly towing a bugeye. But if lines must be drawn, draw them above the El Camino!! Glen > If I go, do I have to tape chrome strips on the sides and hood to fit in? > > Chris > Brookfield, WI From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 17 19:13:13 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:13:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <20081218015823.WYAJ18930.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: > If I go, do I have to tape chrome strips on the sides and hood to fit in? Were you planning to wear a hood? It will be less conspicuous for you than it was for us RWA Midgets at the Sprite event ;-) Seriously, these events are for Spridgets. There aren't so many that we can be snobs. Besides, it ain't like we have Jags or Heavey Healeys! From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Dec 17 19:16:36 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:16:36 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <1883654480.20081217154859@pacifier.com> Message-ID: > Dodge City Kansas It's in Kansas. Have you ever been in Kansas?? Have you ever tried to find a motel room in Kansas??? From kgb at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 17 19:18:03 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:18:03 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <200812180207.mBI27Rvi011486@phaenicia.ucdavis.edu> References: <200812180207.mBI27Rvi011486@phaenicia.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <4949B2DB.9020503@frontiernet.net> > On your Speedo? > > Kate > > >> If I go, do I have to tape chrome strips on the sides and hood to fit in? >> >> Chris >> Brookfield, WI >> > __ From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 17 19:22:25 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:22:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <4949B2DB.9020503@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <20081218022226.WLRJ14216.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Probably would be uncomfortable to travel like that now that you mention it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bales Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:18 PM Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > On your Speedo? > > Kate > > >> If I go, do I have to tape chrome strips on the sides and hood to fit in? >> >> Chris >> Brookfield, WI >> > __ From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 19:29:05 2008 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:29:05 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: <121820080229.20438.4949B5710006CB8300004FD622155538949B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> Cross country tune up training/OSHIT at franks house last weekend in june 2011? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Frank Clarici > Kathryn Bales wrote: > > It seems that events of this type are always held east of the > > Mississippi. > > Lake of the Ozarks was WEST of the Mississippi, I know, I drove across > the Mississippi. > And yes St Louis WAS under water when I went through on the way to LotO :) > Healey 92 was in Colorado, again a little bit WEST of the Mississippi. > I don't care where it is, I'll drive my Sprite there even if it's in San > Diego. > So everyone else has 2.5 years advanced notice, prep the Spridget in > case you have to drive across country. > Yeah, yeah, "What if it breaks down?" Got a cell phone? Get AAA or some > other roadside assistance program. > What if your modern plastic car broke down 1000 miles from home? Could > you fix it? Nope, AAA and a cell phone. :) > Now if you prep your Spridget now, you will know how to FIX it IF it > breaks down miles from home. > Like banging on the fuel pump to get it to work again, that doesn't work > on a Honda. > Filing the points on a stone from the side of the road, try THAT on your > Toyota! > Or even getting the dirt out of those SU carbs, if you have a fuel > injection problem on your new Chevy, you're gonna call AAA from your > cell phone. > No excuses, you have time to prepare your car for the 2011 meet. You may > have to drive it 2000 miles. > > -- > Frank Clarici > Toms River, NJ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Dec 17 19:34:35 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:34:35 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <1883654480.20081217154859@pacifier.com>, Message-ID: <4949463B.7103.2339670@kk7ss.verizon.net> Have you ever tried to *find* Kansas ??? ;-) On 17 Dec 2008 at 18:16, Billy Zoom wrote: >> It's in Kansas. Have you ever been in Kansas?? >> Have you ever tried to find a motel room in Kansas??? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From p.herder at cox.net Wed Dec 17 19:40:09 2008 From: p.herder at cox.net (Paul Herder) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:40:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <4949463B.7103.2339670@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <1883654480.20081217154859@pacifier.com>, <4949463B.7103.2339670@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001801c960b9$f1c02ed0$d5408c70$@herder@cox.net> It's easy! I just look out the door! ;^) Paul '66 MK III Sprite in Sedgwick, KS -----Original Message----- Have you ever tried to *find* Kansas ??? ;-) On 17 Dec 2008 at 18:16, Billy Zoom wrote: >> It's in Kansas. Have you ever been in Kansas?? >> Have you ever tried to find a motel room in Kansas??? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! _______________________________________________ From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 19:47:34 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <20081218015823.WYAJ18930.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: <4949B9C6.90608@comcast.net> David Lieb wrote: > Besides, it ain't like we > have Jags or Heavey Healeys! But I do have a Jag and I did have a heavy Healey, but I like my Sprite (s) best. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 17 19:57:21 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:57:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <20081218015823.WYAJ18930.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> <4949B9C6.90608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8D4EF7E7DA254418AB9F7B793965D924@midget> > But I do have a Jag and I did have a heavy Healey, but I like my Sprite > (s) best. There we go with the Sprite(s) again. One of these days we will install spellcheck software on that Chinese PC of yours so that every time you type "Sprite" it "corrects" it to "Spridget" ;-) At least Spridget people can pretend to have a sense of humor... Lorry Denials From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 17 20:13:45 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:13:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <1883654480.20081217154859@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <> Even Lloyds of London would NOT touch THAT one, Bill L. !!! LOL Even God knows THAT !!! From dwramsey at att.net Wed Dec 17 20:13:52 2008 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:13:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <8D4EF7E7DA254418AB9F7B793965D924@midget> Message-ID: <20081218031404.F3F041878C2@autox.team.net> Well you change the name of the event to honor the birth of the SPRITE to spridget and now want to change spridget to midget. I guess the only choice is to name the event to honor the birth of the Midget to SPRITE? Full circle it is only right. Crash From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 17 20:18:41 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:18:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <49499F62.7090307@comcast.net> Message-ID: Frank... <> Just WHAT would even give you the idea that above is remotely close to "enough time" ??? <> FAR TOO many 'pansies' and it's a da*ned shame. More "excuses" WILL be found as to WHY somebody can't make it!! From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 17 20:20:48 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:20:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: Message-ID: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget> > Well you change the name of the event to honor the birth of the SPRITE to > spridget and now want to change spridget to midget. I guess the only > choice > is to name the event to honor the birth of the Midget to SPRITE? Full > circle > it is only right. BUT, the birth of the Sprite WAS the birth of the Spridget, too. A little difficult to perceive at the time, perhaps, but no less true for all that. Just remember, it isn't so much that we are celebrating the birth of the Midget as it is that we are grasping at opportunities to get together again with as many Spridgeteers as possible. Perhaps we should just have one of these every year in a different part of the country... no, I suppose the other clubs already have this idea covered. A little embarrassing that the European Spridgets were able to gather nearly 1,000 Spridgets at Gaydon and we didn't even get 200, despite the fact that more were sent here than stayed home. David Lieb From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 17 20:24:10 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:24:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <200812180207.mBI27Rvi011486@phaenicia.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <> Huuum, new 'trailer queen', Glen!! YOU are the one saying the 'no-no' word !!! LOL <> Now wait just a minute !! Have you thought about the FACT that there were NEWER cars at LotO than my "Amber"?? Nah, got forget THAT one!! Besides, I might ALSO tow a car; the Camino using a LBC!! From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 17 20:27:43 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:27:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <4949B9C6.90608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> THAT is a NEW 'Ford' Frank, NOT a 'Jag' !!! <<...I did have a heavy Healey,>> Which you had NO clue about HOW to DRIVE !!! LOL From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Dec 17 20:27:36 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:27:36 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <4949463B.7103.2339670@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: > Have you ever tried to *find* Kansas You just have to drive 47mph in a 45mph zone. If you get pulled over, you're in Kansas. Hint: There are no vacant motel rooms in the state of Kansas...especially during baseball season. From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 17 20:30:07 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:30:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <8D4EF7E7DA254418AB9F7B793965D924@midget> Message-ID: David.... <> Frank DOES have one of dem; just ask Diane!!!! Especially after SHORT drive to Penn!! From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:56:44 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <309542.52047.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Billy Zoom wrote: > Hint: There are no vacant motel rooms in the state of > Kansas...especially > during baseball season. And they don't even have a major league team! My ex-shortstop played for the Wichita Wranglers for a year, though. Best ballplayer I ever played with 'til he blew his shoulder out, and that includes future hall of famer Craig Biggio and Pete Harnish. But I digress.... Ron From mark at nashvilletn.org Wed Dec 17 21:43:32 2008 From: mark at nashvilletn.org (Mark) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:43:32 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Crank Pulley Message-ID: Can someone tell me if the diameter of the 948 crank pulley is the same diameter as the 1275 harmonic balancer? Trying to see why my tach drive generator is a bit off. Mark Nashville From tinydog at snet.net Thu Dec 18 05:14:13 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:14:13 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget> References: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget> Message-ID: <121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog sez: If the people that drove extreme distances to Missouri were deducted, that would reveal the number of people that came because of geographic location. Having another event in the same general area again, (the center of the country) would only attract/appeal to, the same people that attended last time. I would suggest that the next event be located in another area where there is a greater concentration of owners. I would also suggest that more than one event is scheduled to be held simultaneously in different areas of the country. -------------- Original message from "David Lieb" : -------------- > > Well you change the name of the event to honor the birth of the SPRITE to > > spridget and now want to change spridget to midget. I guess the only > > choice > > is to name the event to honor the birth of the Midget to SPRITE? Full > > circle > > it is only right. > > BUT, the birth of the Sprite WAS the birth of the Spridget, too. A little > difficult to perceive at the time, perhaps, but no less true for all that. > Just remember, it isn't so much that we are celebrating the birth of the > Midget as it is that we are grasping at opportunities to get together > again with as many Spridgeteers as possible. Perhaps we should just > have one of these every year in a different part of the country... no, I > suppose the other clubs already have this idea covered. A little > embarrassing that the European Spridgets were able to gather nearly 1,000 > Spridgets at Gaydon and we didn't even get 200, despite the fact that more > were sent here than stayed home. > David Lieb From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 06:00:29 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> References: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget> <121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: <8c1781040812180500w28b5b881iba28c09c292ecdb4@mail.gmail.com> I think it should be held in a different area, but multiple simultaneous events is a bit much to ask. It would require a bunch of dedicated and selfless individuals with abundant free time possessing excellent organizational skills. So, I say let's offer suggestions with "selling points", and choose one. The people making the choice should be the ones stepping up to organize since they are going to be the ones making it "work". The other national car groups follow one of two basic models. A national meet that rotates to different areas of the country, or a central National meet and several regional meets. Only the BIG groups use the latter model. In my mind this leaves the question ... Do we shift it further east or further west? I would be more likely to be able to make the trip if it was moved east, but I would prefer to vacation in an area to the west. So if the place in the west had great appeal it might make me more determined to get there. I really would like something around Colorado Springs... mountains, desert, rafting, jeep tours, etc. Trevor Jessie On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:14 AM, wrote: > tinydog sez: > > > If the people that drove extreme distances to Missouri were deducted, that would reveal the number of people that came because of geographic location. > > Having another event in the same general area again, (the center of the country) would only attract/appeal to, the same people that attended last time. > > I would suggest that the next event be located in another area where there is a greater concentration of owners. I would also suggest that more than one event is scheduled to be held simultaneously in different areas of the country. > > -------------- Original message from "David Lieb" : -------------- From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 18 06:23:19 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:23:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget><121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <8c1781040812180500w28b5b881iba28c09c292ecdb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ... >I think it should be held in a different area, but multiple > simultaneous events is a bit much to ask. > So, I say let's offer suggestions with "selling points", and choose > one. The people making the choice should be the ones stepping up to > organize since they are going to be the ones making it "work". I agree. Sorta like the process of selecting a venue for the Olympics ;-) Any place it/they would be held would require a lot of time and effort. If you are not interested/available to put in that kind of selfless suffering, don't be too quick to demand anything, although suggestions are always valuable. Sorta. I also agree that multiple simultaneous would be a waste of resources. Heck, I bet we would almost all have to resort to Horler to find out that the MkI Midget was announced 20 June 1969, so the actual date just ain't that critical. If they are not simultaneous, some fool would try to get to all of them. Not necessarily a bad thing, especially if they are helpful. I feel a little guilty that the 08 event was only 7 or 8 hours from home for me, so I would be only too happy for it to be further west next time. David Lieb From tinydog at snet.net Thu Dec 18 06:29:02 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:29:02 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812180500w28b5b881iba28c09c292ecdb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget><121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <8c1781040812180500w28b5b881iba28c09c292ecdb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <121820081329.16018.494A501D000ED3B800003E9222216125569B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog observes: Our cars were never designed for highway travel and despite the use of them by some to travel long distances, most owners will not plan and execute a multi-day interstate drive in the best condition of Spridgets. My point is this: If the goal is to attract a larger number of cars, the event needs to be sited in the area where there is a great number of owners. PS This year multiple Sprite 50th events were held, so it isn't a stretch that it could be done for the 53 anniversary. -------------- Original message from "Trevor Jessie" : -------------- > I think it should be held in a different area, but multiple > simultaneous events is a bit much to ask. It would require a bunch of > dedicated and selfless individuals with abundant free time possessing > excellent organizational skills. > > So, I say let's offer suggestions with "selling points", and choose > one. The people making the choice should be the ones stepping up to > organize since they are going to be the ones making it "work". The > other national car groups follow one of two basic models. A national > meet that rotates to different areas of the country, or a central > National meet and several regional meets. Only the BIG groups use the > latter model. > > In my mind this leaves the question ... Do we shift it further east or > further west? I would be more likely to be able to make the trip if > it was moved east, but I would prefer to vacation in an area to the > west. So if the place in the west had great appeal it might make me > more determined to get there. I really would like something around > Colorado Springs... mountains, desert, rafting, jeep tours, etc. > > Trevor Jessie > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:14 AM, wrote: > > tinydog sez: > > > > > > If the people that drove extreme distances to Missouri were deducted, that > would reveal the number of people that came because of geographic location. > > > > Having another event in the same general area again, (the center of the > country) would only attract/appeal to, the same people that attended last time. > > > > I would suggest that the next event be located in another area where there is > a greater concentration of owners. I would also suggest that more than one event > is scheduled to be held simultaneously in different areas of the country. From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 07:48:09 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:48:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget> <121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <8c1781040812180500w28b5b881iba28c09c292ecdb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Now see, I didn't know that, and I have read Horler cover to cover. I always though that the Midget came out PRIOR to 1969... On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:23 AM, David Lieb wrote: > > Heck, I bet we would almost all have to resort to Horler to find out that > the MkI Midget was announced 20 June 1969, so the actual date just > ain't that critical. If they are not simultaneous, some fool would try to > get to all of them. Not necessarily a bad thing, especially if they are > helpful. > > I feel a little guilty that the 08 event was only 7 or 8 hours from home > for me, > so I would be only too happy for it to be further west next time. > David Lieb _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From tinydog at snet.net Thu Dec 18 08:02:02 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget><121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><8c1781040812180500w28b5b881iba28c09c292ecdb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <121820081502.19016.494A65EA00092C6F00004A4822243322829B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog sez: For some unexplained reason Horler seems to be the only book in anyone's consciousness. -------------- Original message from "Brad Fornal" : -------------- > Now see, I didn't know that, and I have read Horler cover to cover. I always > though that the Midget came out PRIOR to 1969... > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:23 AM, David Lieb wrote: > > > > > Heck, I bet we would almost all have to resort to Horler From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 08:03:26 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:03:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <121820081502.19016.494A65EA00092C6F00004A4822243322829B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> References: <360F830E4466433A9C9E299192B53EE8@midget> <121820081214.23195.494A3E950007721000005A9B22230704929B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <8c1781040812180500w28b5b881iba28c09c292ecdb4@mail.gmail.com> <121820081502.19016.494A65EA00092C6F00004A4822243322829B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: For me, it is because it is the most accessible. I know there are others, but the cost is prohibitive on my salary On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM, wrote: > tinydog sez: > > For some unexplained reason Horler seems to be the only book in anyone's > consciousness. > > -------------- Original message from "Brad Fornal" < > tequila.brad at gmail.com>: -------------- > > > > Now see, I didn't know that, and I have read Horler cover to cover. I > always > > though that the Midget came out PRIOR to 1969... > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:23 AM, David Lieb wrote: > > > > > > > > Heck, I bet we would almost all have to resort to Horler > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Dec 18 10:40:35 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:40:35 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Noisy first gear Message-ID: Everyone agrees that Spridget first gears are noisy. I will be checking my spare ribcase transmission this winter, and wonder if there is a way to tell the difference between normally noisy and in need of repair. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 18 10:45:41 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:45:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Noisy first gear References: Message-ID: > Everyone agrees that Spridget first gears are noisy. I will be checking > my spare ribcase transmission this winter, and wonder if there is a way to > tell the difference between normally noisy and in need of repair. When it's in need of repair, the rear wheels don't go roundy-round From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 10:51:41 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:51:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Noisy first gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <949040.2626.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One's louder than the other... --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Michael Rowe wrote: "is a way to tell the difference between normally noisy and in need of repair" One's louder than the other... - David From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 18 10:54:03 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:54:03 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: I think that's irrelevant. The fact is our cars were designed to cover large mileages which might include being driven all day on not particularly smooth roads with a lot of traffic, stopping starting and turning corners. To sit on a highway at a steady speed gives the car an easier life than it was designed for. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 18/12/2008 13:29:13 GMT Standard Time, tinydog at snet.net writes: Our cars were never designed for highway travel and despite the use of them by some to travel long distances, From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 11:05:58 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:05:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] faulty 2009 Calendars... Message-ID: <43840a7e0812181005yfde746dj1dc150c22f6a7a@mail.gmail.com> RE: the 2009 Spridget Calendars, apparently we didn't get the word out to everyone..... If you ordered early and got the ones where the picture bled off the edges of the pages, Cafepress will replace them for free... Go to: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/returnrequest.aspx Fill out the online form and submit. You don't ave to mail the bad ones in. They will send you correct ones at no charge. -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From pythias at pacifier.com Thu Dec 18 11:16:17 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:16:17 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Trix? Message-ID: <587569145.20081218101617@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, Once again the easy, cheap, fast method pays off! Paul A. always gives me a ration because I hold my grill in, NOT with the FOUR or however many bolts, but rather have the ears broken off and hold in on with TY-WRAPS. One headlight quit working on low beam, which usually indicates a loose wire rather than a burned out bulb, so I went down cut two ty wraps, pulled the grill, found the loose connection and put it all back together... and Bob's your uncle. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them. From tinydog at snet.net Thu Dec 18 11:37:18 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:37:18 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog agrees: for the car but not the passengers and luggage space. -------------- Original message from WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com: -------------- To sit on a highway at a steady speed gives the car an easier life than it was designed for. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 18/12/2008 13:29:13 GMT Standard Time, tinydog at snet.net writes:Our cars were never designed for highway travel and despite the use of them by some to travel long distances, From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 18 11:43:04 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> > for the car but not the passengers and luggage space. As one of the ones who has done insane distances in Spridgets, I would like to suggest that you must not be doing it right. I rather enjoy sitting in a Spridget all day long. A good boot rack covers my luggage needs even with a passenger on a trip. David Lieb From pythias at pacifier.com Thu Dec 18 11:52:55 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:52:55 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> Hello David, For me its not the problem of being all day long.. that is indeed a joy ... but all WEEK long in ANY car becomes a chore instead. .. Well I haven't spent a week in a Jag or a Ferrari, but you get the point... -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Then there was the Formosan bartender named Taiwan-On. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 18 12:32:56 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:32:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> <1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> Message-ID: > For me its not the problem of being all day long.. that is indeed > a joy ... but all WEEK long in ANY car becomes a chore instead. > .. Well I haven't spent a week in a Jag or a Ferrari, but you get > the point... Bill, I have done the week at a time routine as well. 3200 miles to drive my "new" Sprite home last February. 4000+ (odometer not registering very well) miles in under a week in Mickey the Babe Rally Midget. Out to the Grand Canyon and back with my daughter in my 72 Midget. I find it to be significantly more comfortable for me in a Spridget than in my 2002 VW GTi. I am willing to try the Jag or Ferrari if anyone would care to loan one to me... David Lieb From kgb at frontiernet.net Thu Dec 18 13:12:25 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:12:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> <1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <494AAEA9.5050708@frontiernet.net> I drove my Midget from Albany, NY to Portland, OR and back, and from Albany, NY to Longview, WA. Neither trip was over four days, and I was well rested when I arrived at my destinations. Part of it was the sheer joy of driving a car that I loved. The rest was not having my ex with me. I can fit enough gear for a two week trip in my carry on, which fits in the boot. I hope to have my luggage rack installed by 2011 so I can fit in a few "nice to have" items, such as perhaps a dress and heels and luggage for a friend, supposing I can find one foolish enough to want to go. Kate '72 MG Midget. David Lieb wrote: >> For me its not the problem of being all day long.. that is indeed >> a joy ... but all WEEK long in ANY car becomes a chore instead. >> .. Well I haven't spent a week in a Jag or a Ferrari, but you get >> the point... From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 18 13:32:39 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:32:39 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: Just a driver then and travel light! In a message dated 18/12/2008 18:37:41 GMT Standard Time, tinydog at snet.net writes: for the car but not the passengers and luggage space. From tinydog at snet.net Thu Dec 18 14:20:42 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:20:42 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov><1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog agrees again. Many can write stories to recount their long trips. I've done it myself. This discussion was about why a US Spridget event only attracts 200 compared to the UK event which attracted 1,000. The point I make concerns the average person, the average owner. -------------- Original message from "David Lieb" : -------------- > > For me its not the problem of being all day long.. that is indeed > > a joy ... but all WEEK long in ANY car becomes a chore instead. > > .. Well I haven't spent a week in a Jag or a Ferrari, but you get > > the point... > > Bill, > I have done the week at a time routine as well. 3200 miles > to drive my "new" Sprite home last February. 4000+ > (odometer not registering very well) miles in under a week > in Mickey the Babe Rally Midget. Out to the Grand Canyon > and back with my daughter in my 72 Midget. I find it to be > significantly more comfortable for me in a Spridget than in > my 2002 VW GTi. I am willing to try the Jag or Ferrari if > anyone would care to loan one to me... > David Lieb From tequila.brad at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 14:22:30 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:22:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> <1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: Because they are rarer over in the UK? On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:20 PM, wrote: > tinydog agrees again. > > > > Many can write stories to recount their long trips. I've done it myself. > > This discussion was about why a US Spridget event only attracts 200 > compared to the UK event which attracted 1,000. > > The point I make concerns the average person, the average owner. > -------------- Original message from "David Lieb" < > dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>: -------------- > > > > > For me its not the problem of being all day long.. that is indeed > > > a joy ... but all WEEK long in ANY car becomes a chore instead. > > > .. Well I haven't spent a week in a Jag or a Ferrari, but you get > > > the point... > > > > Bill, > > I have done the week at a time routine as well. 3200 miles > > to drive my "new" Sprite home last February. 4000+ > > (odometer not registering very well) miles in under a week > > in Mickey the Babe Rally Midget. Out to the Grand Canyon > > and back with my daughter in my 72 Midget. I find it to be > > significantly more comfortable for me in a Spridget than in > > my 2002 VW GTi. I am willing to try the Jag or Ferrari if > > anyone would care to loan one to me... > > David Lieb > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 14:28:16 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:28:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> <1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: <8c1781040812181328v18fbba18y3dd198fc4cf6b3e7@mail.gmail.com> The UK is smaller and there were about 5 car clubs that coordinated the effort (one of which is exclusively for midgets and sprites) But more importantly it is a matter car density. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:20 PM, wrote: > tinydog agrees again. > > > > Many can write stories to recount their long trips. I've done it myself. > > This discussion was about why a US Spridget event only attracts 200 compared to the UK event which attracted 1,000. > > The point I make concerns the average person, the average owner. > -------------- Original message from "David Lieb" : -------------- From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 14:48:18 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:48:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812181328v18fbba18y3dd198fc4cf6b3e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> <1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <8c1781040812181328v18fbba18y3dd198fc4cf6b3e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812181348j74cc0956k61207b07c1f89d82@mail.gmail.com> Excellent point Trevor. Everyone in England was probably within a day's drive of Gaydon. I will posit that there are also two financial reasons. First, I believe we would have had more cars at LotO if we had today's gas prices instead of the $4 a gallon stuff. Second, the average Spridget owner in this country doesn't have a lot of money. That's why s/he has a Spridget instead of a Duesenberg or an Auburn. A number of folks wrote me about our 50th to say they'd love to come but simply couldn't afford to. Some wanted to know if they could participate in everything without paying the $50 registration fee (hell no!) and some who came stayed in cheaper hotels and didn't pay for extra meals, the banquet, or what have you citing high cost (Which, by the way, I found to be very reasonable for a once in a lifetime event! $165 got you, your car and your passenger registered with full honors, T-shirt etc, BBQ, banquet, and the special grille badge - and you had 2 years to save up for it - $7 a month + hotel and travel - Go figure...). Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Trevor Jessie wrote: > The UK is smaller and there were about 5 car clubs that coordinated > the effort (one of which is exclusively for midgets and sprites) > But more importantly it is a matter car density. > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:20 PM, wrote: > > tinydog agrees again. > > > > > > > > Many can write stories to recount their long trips. I've done it myself. > > > > This discussion was about why a US Spridget event only attracts 200 > compared to the UK event which attracted 1,000. > > > > The point I make concerns the average person, the average owner. > > -------------- Original message from "David Lieb" < > dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com>: From kk7ss at verizon.net Thu Dec 18 15:11:04 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:11:04 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: <494A59F8.26075.1459C45@kk7ss.verizon.net> The northenmost part of the (old) UK is John O'Graots at the tip of Scotland The southernmost point of the UK is Lands' End at the tip of Cornwall. The road distance from one to the other is ~1000miles. If an event is held in the exact middle of the UK the driving distane is ~500 miles max.... With lots and lots of Lovely Pubs in between... Q.E.D. On 18 Dec 2008 at 21:20, tinydog at snet.net wrote: >> This discussion was about why a US Spridget event only attracts 200 >> compared to the UK event which attracted 1,000. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 15:19:49 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:19:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494A59F8.26075.1459C45@kk7ss.verizon.net> References: <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <494A59F8.26075.1459C45@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812181419h7127a884h369dd88cfb4ad83b@mail.gmail.com> Geez!! I forgot about the pubs!! In that case it would take me a month to go from, say, Newquay, Cornwall to Leeds, Yorkshire. NO! Wait! I guess I'd never make it at all, would I? Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Dave G. wrote: > The northenmost part of the (old) UK is John O'Graots at the tip of > Scotland > The southernmost point of the UK is Lands' End at the tip of > Cornwall. > The road distance from one to the other is ~1000miles. > If an event is held in the exact middle of the UK the driving distane > is ~500 miles max.... > With lots and lots of Lovely Pubs in between... > Q.E.D. > > On 18 Dec 2008 at 21:20, tinydog at snet.net wrote: > > >> This discussion was about why a US Spridget event only attracts 200 > >> compared to the UK event which attracted 1,000. > > > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > > If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still > alive !! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From cbaustin at verizon.net Thu Dec 18 15:22:24 2008 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:22:24 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th - keeping track Message-ID: The Holy Sprite project started on this list (best I can tell) in mid-August 2008. I kept all the associated e-mails on both my office computer and my traveling lap-top. We are just over 1000 communications with that subject as the lead. Here we are two days into the "Midget 50th" and I predict that the list will exceed that number by Saturday next, and may be on course for a serious admonition from MJB about excessive electron consumption - or something! CB From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 15:30:04 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:30:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th - keeping track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0812181430n51b60522i5e7cf58eaa76e48d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Charley Braum wrote: > Here we are two days into the "Midget 50th" and I predict that the > list > will exceed that number by Saturday next, and may be on course for a > serious > admonition from MJB about excessive electron consumption - or something! Charlie, I've got nearly 200MB of stuff from the Spridget 50th burned onto CD..... ;-) -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 18 16:31:03 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:31:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov><1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> <494AAEA9.5050708@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bales" Cc: "Spridget List" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th ... I can fit enough gear for a two week trip in my carry on, which fits in the boot.... Kate '72 MG Midget. ============================== So, Kate, how much would it cost me to have you teach my wife how to do that? Not that she would ever do it... I just want her to know that it really is possible. LAD From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:49:26 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:49:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8c1781040812181549vbb560faq8507d59922e27841@mail.gmail.com> Anyone ever been to Claremore OK? Will Rogers Birthplace on the old Route 66? ...I'm just trying to foster some constructive brainstorming. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Frank Clarici wrote: > In 2011 the MG Midget will be 50 years old. We just celebrated the Sprite > 50th this past summer but we referred to it as > Spridget 50th. Which was fine by me. > What do you think about calling the Midget 50th just that? Midget 50th. Not > Spridget. > Of course Sprites are expected to be there along with the Midgets but let's > keep the goodies Midget related only. > I mean do we really need dash plaques and tee shirts with a Sprite 53rd > anniversary mentioned? > We also need to start thinking about a place to hold the event. Mid America > seemed to work out OK for the past meet. > Sure Atlantic City works real nice for me and I'm sure San Francisco works > well for the California folks but...... > > So put on your thinking caps and get to work on those minor quirks on the > Midgets because you have 2.5 years to work out these bugs. Your input would > be greatly appreciated. > > -- > Frank Clarici From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 18 16:58:45 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:58:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov><1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com><121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><8c1781040812181328v18fbba18y3dd198fc4cf6b3e7@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0812181348j74cc0956k61207b07c1f89d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Jessie" The UK is smaller and there were about 5 car clubs that coordinated the effort (one of which is exclusively for midgets and sprites) But more importantly it is a matter car density. ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" Excellent point Trevor. Everyone in England was probably within a day's drive of Gaydon. ========================== As was suggested before the last 50th, take a look at the Frappr map and see where the Spridget owners are located. (Yeah, I know the map isn't perfect and doesn't include everyone, but does anybody have a better idea?) Then put your celebration in the area of the population center of Spridget owners rather than the geographic center of the country. You will notice that there is a huge void of owners east of the Pacific coast states until a line say from MN or WI down to Texas where you begin to pick up a lot of owners again. I dare say that some of the west coasters that made it to the last one won't be chomping at the bit to repeat that trip so soon. And I will also say that a lot of east coasters weren't -- and aren't -- interested in going halfway across the country. Not to mention to the opposite coast. Nevada? Colorado? Great idea. I'll bet you can get 50 people to drive all the way out there. 75, if the weather is nice. It's all about the numbers, boys and girls. LAD From pythias at pacifier.com Thu Dec 18 17:18:11 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:18:11 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov><1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com><121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><8c1781040812181328v18fbba18y3dd198fc4cf6b3e7@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0812181348j74cc0956k61207b07c1f89d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1375818608.20081218161811@pacifier.com> Hello, If the primary function of the event is to be to gather the greatest possible number of Spridgets, then by all means hold it somewhere near the East Coast. Some fantastic roads in or around Tennessee and the like. If I recall the states with the greatest number or participants at LotO we Indiana and....... .. OH yeah..CALIFORNIA! As I understand it there were nearly as many Spridgets at the San Diego Conclave last year as participants at LotO. ... So California has the best possibility of getting the greatest number of attendees at a Sprigets event. We can all go to Glen's house! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" That's not line noise--my modem's speaking in tongues! From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 18:10:27 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:10:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <1375818608.20081218161811@pacifier.com> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> <1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> <121820082120.25743.494ABEAA000147B20000648F22228869349B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <8c1781040812181328v18fbba18y3dd198fc4cf6b3e7@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0812181348j74cc0956k61207b07c1f89d82@mail.gmail.com> <1375818608.20081218161811@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <8c1781040812181710g5cf7701emc87210f5ebaca9b9@mail.gmail.com> This is a good opportunity for me to mention (again) that MG2011 is in Tahoe. You left coasters should organize a spridget event that backs up to it or overlaps with it. Then the East coasters can have a free standing spridget event or maybe overlap with a Healey conclave or something. Again... just trying to get some constructive brainstorming going. Trevor On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Bill L wrote: > Hello, > > If the primary function of the event is to be to gather the > greatest possible number of Spridgets, then by all means hold it > somewhere near the East Coast. Some fantastic roads in or around > Tennessee and the like. If I recall the states with the greatest > number or participants at LotO we Indiana and....... .. > > OH yeah..CALIFORNIA! As I understand it there were nearly as many > Spridgets at the San Diego Conclave last year as participants at > LotO. ... So California has the best possibility of getting the > greatest number of attendees at a Sprigets event. We can all go to > Glen's house! > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > That's not line noise--my modem's speaking in tongues! From mdrowe at optonline.net Thu Dec 18 18:11:27 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:11:27 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812181549vbb560faq8507d59922e27841@mail.gmail.com> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <8c1781040812181549vbb560faq8507d59922e27841@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <999AF71AB34145FE8179AA8DA21E7E81@Home> > Anyone ever been to Claremore OK? Will Rogers Birthplace on the old Route > 66? The TV show, "Route 66" ran from 1960-1964, so the timing is right, although the show was not actually filmed on Route 66. Apparently not much is left of the Route, but there is a lot of information online about what and where it was. If we took some time finding fun places along the way, it could make a good theme for a gathering of "free spirits." Michael Rowe From Miniac7 at aol.com Thu Dec 18 19:03:58 2008 From: Miniac7 at aol.com (Miniac7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:03:58 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: What would a Healey Conclave or Healey Encounter have to do with a Midget celebration? I don't get the connection. Howard Collins Virginia Beach, VA. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 19:22:02 2008 From: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net (ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:22:02 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> There is always the tail of the dragon? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bill L > Hello, > > If the primary function of the event is to be to gather the > greatest possible number of Spridgets, then by all means hold it > somewhere near the East Coast. Some fantastic roads in or around > Tennessee and the like. If I recall the states with the greatest > number or participants at LotO we Indiana and....... .. > > OH yeah..CALIFORNIA! As I understand it there were nearly as many > Spridgets at the San Diego Conclave last year as participants at > LotO. ... So California has the best possibility of getting the > greatest number of attendees at a Sprigets event. We can all go to > Glen's house! > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > That's not line noise--my modem's speaking in tongues! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From pelliott at innercite.com Thu Dec 18 19:38:00 2008 From: pelliott at innercite.com (Patrick Elliott) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:38:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight stores: 20% off no minimum Message-ID: <00fa01c96182$d08dda90$71a98fb0$@com> Harbor Freight stores: 20% off no minimum Starting December 19, Harbor Freight retail stores knock 20% off your entire purchase via this printable coupon. That's the largest unrestricted percent-off coupon we've seen from Harbor Freight, which sells hand tools, power tools, lawn and garden supplies, and more. Coupon expires December 21. Click here to find a Harbor Freight store near you. View article... From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 20:04:18 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:04:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Noisy first gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494B0F32.20402@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: > is a way to tell the difference between normally noisy and in need of repair. > When you put it in the car you can usually tell from the noise. Other than driving it, there is no way to tell. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From jpaschke at bak.rr.com Thu Dec 18 20:08:26 2008 From: jpaschke at bak.rr.com (Jon Paschke) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:08:26 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight stores: 20% off no minimum In-Reply-To: <00fa01c96182$d08dda90$71a98fb0$@com> References: <00fa01c96182$d08dda90$71a98fb0$@com> Message-ID: <1038DB2A002A46479186D2E2177F927E@JonPC> Read the fine print, it is not printable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Elliott" To: ; "'Tom Elliott'" Cc: "'Spridgets'" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Harbor Freight stores: 20% off no minimum > Harbor Freight stores: 20% off no minimum > Starting > December > 19, Harbor Freight retail stores knock 20% off your entire purchase via > this > printable coupon. That's the largest unrestricted percent-off coupon we've > seen from Harbor Freight, which sells hand tools, power tools, lawn and > garden > supplies, and more. Coupon expires December 21. Click here to find a > Harbor > Freight store near you. > > View > rss_dealnews_7> article... > _______________________________________________ From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Thu Dec 18 20:09:03 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:09:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: <200812190309.mBJ3936M020669@biglossa.ucdavis.edu> A hundred or more spridgets parked at my house?? It would be time to revive "Midnight Auto Supply", quite a popular hobby with a few of my friends in high school. By the time everyone got home and noticed they were missing one part each, I'd be in the backyard building a spridgetmorrismini with an El Camino hood ornament. Sweet! Seriously, oh nevermind. I'm not going to start being serious at this point in life. By 2011 I will be retired and willing to drive most anywhere just for a giggle. I just hope the next thing is farther north so Billl and Billm can't top my mileage. Glen OH yeah..CALIFORNIA! As I understand it there were nearly as > many > Spridgets at the San Diego Conclave last year as participants at > LotO. ... So California has the best possibility of getting the > greatest number of attendees at a Sprigets event. We can all go to > Glen's house! > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com From shop at justbrits.com Thu Dec 18 21:04:06 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:04:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <200812190309.mBJ3936M020669@biglossa.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: Glen, I got $50.00 that says.... <> the Bill & Bill show will NOT attend if in Vermont!! Gonna cover?? Anybody else?? LAD From jjj at acsnet.com Thu Dec 18 21:06:01 2008 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:06:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails Message-ID: <2947.66.172.236.88.1229659561.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> I've owned and looked over several more spridgets and all seem to have a bend in the rails starting at the rear a frame mount. Some are bent more than other's. I've seen racers that are reenforced in this area but nothing that would be easily adaptable to the street. I am considering cutting the front off and sliding a square tube inside then rewelding after straightening the original t rails or just straightening then adding a thicker strip to the bottom of the t. Any input on the subject would be appreciated. Tnx, Kurt a From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Dec 18 21:17:30 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <2947.66.172.236.88.1229659561.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> References: <2947.66.172.236.88.1229659561.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: <494B205A.1050204@comcast.net> jjj at acsnet.com wrote: > I've owned and looked over several more spridgets and all seem to have a > bend in the rails starting at the rear a frame mount. They are supposed to be bent, just a little but you can see it. If you really want to reinforce the rails, make sure you prebend anything you stick inside the rails. If you straighten those rails, you might as well scrap the car because you just bent the frame. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 18 21:17:15 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:17:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <2947.66.172.236.88.1229659561.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: <71B2F61C648745D99FF090FED4AF70CF@midget> Kurt, There is supposed to be a curve to the front rails. This sets the castor for the front suspension. Yes, some of them have gotten a bit more of a curve than others, but you do NOT want them to be straight. David Lieb From dwramsey at att.net Thu Dec 18 21:29:02 2008 From: dwramsey at att.net (David Ramsey) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:29:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Noisy first gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081219042913.E737718764F@autox.team.net> When you have had to start in second gear for a couple of years? Crash > Everyone agrees that Spridget first gears are noisy. I will be checking > my spare ribcase transmission this winter, and wonder if there is a way to > tell the difference between normally noisy and in need of repair. From millerls at ado13.com Thu Dec 18 21:43:44 2008 From: millerls at ado13.com (Larry & Sandi Miller) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:43:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> Being a left coaster I think Road America/Elkhart Lake WI would be about the longest distance I would undertake, even with a trailer. That would probably draw a fair number of Spridgets. Larry Miller From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:12:57 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:12:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <999AF71AB34145FE8179AA8DA21E7E81@Home> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <8c1781040812181549vbb560faq8507d59922e27841@mail.gmail.com> <999AF71AB34145FE8179AA8DA21E7E81@Home> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812182212n411e93c7peea466a4a6c929ea@mail.gmail.com> Actually, we did that with the Spridget 50th at LotO. Missouri portion of Route 66 was only a few miles south of Osage Beach and a number of the Spridgeteers went and drove short stretches of the orginal mother road. We even had a Route 66 tour handout for any so interested. Doug Altman provided some great pictures along the Mother Road which we projected on the wall as a slide show during the banquet. Cheers!! Jim On 12/18/08, Michael Rowe wrote: > > Anyone ever been to Claremore OK? Will Rogers Birthplace on the old Route >> 66? >> > > The TV show, "Route 66" ran from 1960-1964, so the timing is right, > although the show was not actually filmed on Route 66. Apparently not much > is left of the Route, but there is a lot of information online about what > and where it was. If we took some time finding fun places along the way, it > could make a good theme for a gathering of "free spirits." > > Michael Rowe > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From kgb at frontiernet.net Thu Dec 18 23:23:28 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:23:28 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov><1604301256.20081218105255@pacifier.com> <494AAEA9.5050708@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <494B3DE0.2040403@frontiernet.net> Not a thing. Just enlist her in the Navy for a few years. Kate Larry Daniels wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathryn Bales" > Cc: "Spridget List" > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > > > ... I can fit enough gear for a two week trip in my carry on, which > fits in the boot.... > > Kate > '72 MG Midget. > > ============================== > > So, Kate, how much would it cost me to have you teach my wife how to do > that? > > Not that she would ever do it... I just want her to know that it really is > possible. > > > LAD > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1856 - Release Date: 12/18/2008 8:06 PM From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Fri Dec 19 01:22:01 2008 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:22:01 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EE77C9F972748BE8A8C591E36CC764D@GuyLaptop> There were a significant number of cars at Gaydon which came from beyond the white cliffs of Dover. France was well represented, as was Holland and other European countries. Then of course there was Australia... I didn't travel far to get there, about 340 miles. But getting home was over 2000 miles. No, I didn't get lost and I didn't fall into the sea! Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Larry Daniels Sent: 18 December 2008 23:59 To: Jim Johnson Cc: Spridget List Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Jessie" The UK is smaller and there were about 5 car clubs that coordinated the effort (one of which is exclusively for midgets and sprites) But more importantly it is a matter car density. ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" Excellent point Trevor. Everyone in England was probably within a day's drive of Gaydon. ========================== As was suggested before the last 50th, take a look at the Frappr map and see where the Spridget owners are located. (Yeah, I know the map isn't perfect and doesn't include everyone, but does anybody have a better idea?) Then put your celebration in the area of the population center of Spridget owners rather than the geographic center of the country. You will notice that there is a huge void of owners east of the Pacific coast states until a line say from MN or WI down to Texas where you begin to pick up a lot of owners again. I dare say that some of the west coasters that made it to the last one won't be chomping at the bit to repeat that trip so soon. And I will also say that a lot of east coasters weren't -- and aren't -- interested in going halfway across the country. Not to mention to the opposite coast. Nevada? Colorado? Great idea. I'll bet you can get 50 people to drive all the way out there. 75, if the weather is nice. It's all about the numbers, boys and girls. LAD You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 04:03:54 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:03:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c1781040812190303p1cc7a85dkafcc2d7bb6bf208a@mail.gmail.com> Because it is a Spridget event (that includes people that own/drive Austin HEALEY Sprites). You would get sprite owners to attend the Midget 50th because they also wanted to do Conclave. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:03 PM, wrote: > What would a Healey Conclave or Healey Encounter have to do with a Midget > celebration? I don't get the connection. > > Howard Collins > Virginia Beach, VA. From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Dec 19 07:28:09 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:28:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] LotO Panoramic Message-ID: <1399917611.20081219062809@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, I've just gotten around to making a couple more Panoramics of the Airport shoot at Lake of the Ozarks. I've put all that I've made on the web with a link to one of them at http://picasaweb.google.com/pythias2/BCFLinked#5281505107203242034 Airport4 has some especially good images of Larry Miller Brad Fornal Jim Johnson Tony Barnhill David Lieb Frank Clarici Bill Masquelier Trevor Jesse Bill Young Mike McClean and NUMEROUS others, whose names I never learned.. PM me if you want a copy direct... -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Remember, the fact that you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you! From mdrowe at optonline.net Fri Dec 19 08:25:18 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:25:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> Message-ID: Does anyone have access to "Traveling Salesman"-type optimization software? It might be interesting to see exactly what location minimizes total travel of the Spridgets on this list. As I think about it, I might be able to figure out how to make Excel do it just using the center of each state for the locations, weighted by the number of cars in each state. Michael Rowe From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Dec 19 10:12:59 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:12:59 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <2947.66.172.236.88.1229659561.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: They're supposed to be bent. That's how they get kingpin inclination. You'll ruin the car's handling if you straighten it. From bvsprite at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 11:12:03 2008 From: bvsprite at yahoo.com (bv) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:12:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <2947.66.172.236.88.1229659561.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: <110807.18235.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I'm not trying to stir up trouble here, and I really respect every ones opinion/knowledge, but.... I see that 'everyone' so far is saying the rails are supposed to be bent, however, nowhere, can I find any real documentation supporting this. Is this really part of the 'design' of the car, or just due to weakness in the frame structure. I even notice that when I break hard in my car, I get some 'oil canning' coming from the front end due to flex in the frame. What I see, based on the design of the front frame rails, which is especially apparent on the bugeye, is that repeated stress and breaking over a period of time (oh, let's just say 40-50 years), would cause the frame rails to curve slightly upward toward the front. On a fixed wing (fender) sprite, this might not be as apparent because of the added reinforcement of the fenders. I just can't imagine that at the factory they would actually 'bend the frame' just to adjust front wheel camber, when they could just simply change/re drill the top shock mounts, and or adjust the position of the A-arm mounts to accomplish this during assembly. Also, if you look at the bonnet alignment on the bugeye, it would fit and sit much better if the frame rails were actually straight. It seems to me, if they engineered the bend into the design of the car, they would have also engineered the fit of the bonnet accordingly. So, does anyone have a pointer to any references talking about the bent frame rail phenomenon, or is this really just an 'urban legend' thing. Regards, and happy holidays Bryan Vandiver '59 bugeye San Jose, CA --- On Thu, 12/18/08, jjj at acsnet.com wrote: From: jjj at acsnet.com Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 8:06 PM I've owned and looked over several more spridgets and all seem to have a bend in the rails starting at the rear a frame mount. Some are bent more than other's. I've seen racers that are reenforced in this area but nothing that would be easily adaptable to the street. I am considering cutting the front off and sliding a square tube inside then rewelding after straightening the original t rails or just straightening then adding a thicker strip to the bottom of the t. Any input on the subject would be appreciated. Tnx, Kurt a You are subscribed as bvsprite at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Fri Dec 19 11:32:13 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:32:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <110807.18235.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52D11D3C816E4C48931C9422C237CD9A@NilesAD.von.gov> > I see that 'everyone' so far is saying the rails are supposed to be bent, > however, nowhere, can I find any real documentation supporting this. Is > this > really part of the 'design' of the car, or just due to weakness in the > frame > structure. I even notice that when I break hard in my car, I get some 'oil > canning' coming from the front end due to flex in the frame. Bryan, I am on a forum in England, www.mgcars.org, as are a number of other people on this List. Some of the guys in England have done the tour of the factory that builds the Heritage replacement body shells and have watched them put the bend in there. It is not an urban legend. David Lieb From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Dec 19 12:01:36 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:01:36 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <110807.18235.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK, why don't you have yours straightened and tell us how you like the new handling? I think it would be very educational. > I'm not trying to stir up trouble here, and I really respect every ones > opinion/knowledge, but.... From biffjones at verizon.net Fri Dec 19 12:16:25 2008 From: biffjones at verizon.net (Biff Jones) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <110807.18235.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: BV, By all means ignore what everyone has told you re: the front frame rails and straighten them. However, after you have done that you will find that the steering doesn't want to function as expected. It is possible for them to bend but our good friend rust will most likely be there to show you. If the rails and the bottom plate show significant rust or rust through then it's possible. We can't diagnose that over the internet. Get a factory manual and in the "Bodywork" section, section "O" you will find a chart to assist you in doing "The Horizontal Alignment Check". A quick look will tell you that the front frame rails have a 7 3/8" difference in height from a level surface upward from where they attach to the cross member in the cockpit to the front suspension inner (front) pivot bolt. You have to understand that the "frame" was designed to use parts that were standard parts from the BMC parts bins. 99% of all they parts were standard BMC parts to keep the costs down. It was cheaper to design the "frame" to use these existing parts rather than modifying/redesigning new parts. In short the frame rails do bend upwards. It's your car do what you "think" is right. Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite http://sprites2.homestead.com/ From bvsprite at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 12:21:28 2008 From: bvsprite at yahoo.com (bv) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:21:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <52D11D3C816E4C48931C9422C237CD9A@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <706575.57639.qm@web53810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> David, I'm not saying it is't so, but as an engineer myself, I like to see documentation and/or a 'factory specification', or tech-note. I've learned long ago, you can never 'trust' what someone thinks they heard, or what someone else said they saw. According to every BMC workshop manual I have for the sprite/midget(I have 2 orginals and two reproductions). They all show the frame alignment specifications, and the jigs used, but it mentions nothing about an upward bend in the frame. It does give all the exact measurements between all suspension mounting points from side to side and front to back. If there is supposed to be a slight 'rise' to the front frame rails, it should be shown here, especially if this is what a 'collision repair shop' is using to check the frame. I'm just playing devils advocate here, and would jike to finally resolve if this is really fact or myth. Regards, Bryan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, David Lieb wrote: From: David Lieb Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails To: bvsprite at yahoo.com, "Spridget List" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:32 AM > I see that 'everyone' so far is saying the rails are supposed to be bent, > however, nowhere, can I find any real documentation supporting this. Is this > really part of the 'design' of the car, or just due to weakness in the frame > structure. I even notice that when I break hard in my car, I get some 'oil > canning' coming from the front end due to flex in the frame. Bryan, I am on a forum in England, www.mgcars.org, as are a number of other people on this List. Some of the guys in England have done the tour of the factory that builds the Heritage replacement body shells and have watched them put the bend in there. It is not an urban legend. David Lieb From bvsprite at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 12:32:55 2008 From: bvsprite at yahoo.com (bv) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:32:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <376345.64346.qm@web53810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Biff, In the factory body works section 'O' , the 7 3/8 difference in in the width between the rear suspension mounting points and the front A-arm mounting points, not the height. All the measurement are from side to side, and front to back, not for height. BTW - The frame and tub of my sprite were virtually rust free, and had no original body damage, (I was very lucky). Regards, Bryan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Biff Jones wrote: From: Biff Jones Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:16 AM BV, By all means ignore what everyone has told you re: the front frame rails and straighten them. However, after you have done that you will find that the steering doesn't want to function as expected. It is possible for them to bend but our good friend rust will most likely be there to show you. If the rails and the bottom plate show significant rust or rust through then it's possible. We can't diagnose that over the internet. Get a factory manual and in the "Bodywork" section, section "O" you will find a chart to assist you in doing "The Horizontal Alignment Check". A quick look will tell you that the front frame rails have a 7 3/8" difference in height from a level surface upward from where they attach to the cross member in the cockpit to the front suspension inner (front) pivot bolt. You have to understand that the "frame" was designed to use parts that were standard parts from the BMC parts bins. 99% of all they parts were standard BMC parts to keep the costs down. It was cheaper to design the "frame" to use these existing parts rather than modifying/redesigning new parts. In short the frame rails do bend upwards. It's your car do what you "think" is right. Biff Jones 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite http://sprites2.homestead.com/ You are subscribed as bvsprite at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:31:02 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <376345.64346.qm@web53810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <376345.64346.qm@web53810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c1781040812191231w2ca3fe90p5afef5f5c02b1c74@mail.gmail.com> 1. The company that makes the heritage shells based on the original tooling and designs that they purchased still makes them with this curve. 2. Use your engineering skills AND apply some critical thinking. How else would you achieve caster in the spridget front suspension without the rails being turned upwards. Think man... break out of the engineer reference manual mold. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:32 PM, bv wrote: > Biff, > > In the factory body works section 'O' , the 7 3/8 difference in in the width > between the rear suspension mounting points and the front A-arm mounting > points, not the height. All the measurement are from side to side, and front > to back, not for height. > > BTW - The frame and tub of my sprite were virtually rust free, and had no > original body damage, (I was very lucky). > > Regards, > Bryan > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Biff Jones wrote: > From: Biff Jones > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:16 AM > > BV, > > By all means ignore what everyone has told you re: the front frame rails and > straighten them. > However, after you have done that you will find that the steering doesn't > want to function as expected. > > It is possible for them to bend but our good friend rust will most likely be > there to show you. If the rails > and the bottom plate show significant rust or rust through then it's > possible. We can't diagnose that over > the internet. > > Get a factory manual and in the "Bodywork" section, section > "O" you will find a chart to assist you in doing > "The Horizontal Alignment Check". A quick look will tell you that > the front frame rails have a 7 3/8" difference > in height from a level surface upward from where they attach to the cross > member in the cockpit to the front > suspension inner (front) pivot bolt. > > You have to understand that the "frame" was designed to use parts > that were standard parts from the BMC parts > bins. 99% of all they parts were standard BMC parts to keep the costs down. > It > was cheaper to design the "frame" > to use these existing parts rather than modifying/redesigning new parts. > > In short the frame rails do bend upwards. It's your car do what you > "think" is right. > > Biff Jones > 'Frogarri' '59 Bugeye > 'Ole Gray' '61 AH Sprite > http://sprites2.homestead.com/ From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Fri Dec 19 13:36:12 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:36:12 EST Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails Message-ID: What is likely to be most valid statement - that made by the world's experts who reside on this list or a book somebody wrote? It's also the case that people that write books consult the worlds experts on this list. If the list is UNANIMOUS about anything then it's fact. Or get the rails straightend and tell us what the car drives like... Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 19/12/2008 18:13:31 GMT Standard Time, bvsprite at yahoo.com writes: see that 'everyone' so far is saying the rails are supposed to be bent, however, nowhere, can I find any real documentation supporting this From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:43:02 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:43:02 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> Take a look through these pictures: http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/BritishMotorHeritage-Midget.htm On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > What is likely to be most valid statement - that made by the world's experts > who reside on this list or a book somebody wrote? It's also the case that > people that write books consult the worlds experts on this list. > > If the list is UNANIMOUS about anything then it's fact. > > Or get the rails straightend and tell us what the car drives like... > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 19/12/2008 18:13:31 GMT Standard Time, bvsprite at yahoo.com > writes: > > see that 'everyone' so far is saying the rails are supposed to be bent, > however, nowhere, can I find any real documentation supporting this From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Fri Dec 19 13:44:12 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:44:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: Message-ID: <6EC431B356DE43F18D18CE2242E89CC2@NilesAD.von.gov> http://tinyurl.com/4lofvx shows a picture of the jig used by the factory, still used by British Motor Heritage to establish the angle which impart the caster to the frame. For those who do not care for tinyurl, http://www2.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgbbs&access=10137411501086&mode=imgdis&ifile=2|110_2008121720583718229_41717214402073_1229718712.jpg Courtesy of Bill, small dark green pleasure machine of the MGCars.org BBS. David Lieb From peter at nosimport.com Fri Dec 19 14:06:30 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:06:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> At 02:43 PM 12/19/2008, Trevor Jessie wrote: >Take a look through these pictures: > >http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/BritishMotorHeritage-Midget.htm =============== That's very cool. In the 3rd picture, where they are showing the 1500 engine support, note the toggle clamps. If the bulk of the frame is resting on the table, I would estimate the front of the horns to be raised about an inch? I'm comparing bolt diameters in the picture. Also, is the radiator support perpendicular to the frame or do they tilt back? Peter C From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 14:12:48 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:12:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <706575.57639.qm@web53810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <52D11D3C816E4C48931C9422C237CD9A@NilesAD.von.gov> <706575.57639.qm@web53810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812191312g47af199chb42e7c5179e0b38e@mail.gmail.com> Okay fellas... enough fun for one day. There are around 1000 people on this list, Bryan. I have to now confess for them all. They have been yanking your chain on this..... Straighten out your frame and take a few hard corners with the car. Write us back when you get the casts off. Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 14:21:51 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> <200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <8c1781040812191321s51ac2679vc06fd94115661a09@mail.gmail.com> I would assume that the degree of inclination of the frame rail would match the caster angle. I suspect a frame repair technician would bend the frame until he reached the specified caster angle. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > At 02:43 PM 12/19/2008, Trevor Jessie wrote: >> >> Take a look through these pictures: >> >> http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/BritishMotorHeritage-Midget.htm > > =============== > That's very cool. In the 3rd picture, where they are showing the 1500 > engine support, note the toggle clamps. If the bulk of the frame is resting > on the table, I would estimate the front of the horns to be raised about an > inch? I'm comparing bolt diameters in the picture. > > Also, is the radiator support perpendicular to the frame or do they tilt > back? > > Peter C _______________________________________________ From trevor.jessie at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 15:02:15 2008 From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:02:15 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8c1781040812191402hf567b61jc52c519a3ed7ac00@mail.gmail.com> Well... how many people have volunteered to coordinate the event(s)? Enough geographically variance among them to do an east/west event? From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 15:08:47 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:08:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812191402hf567b61jc52c519a3ed7ac00@mail.gmail.com> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <8c1781040812191402hf567b61jc52c519a3ed7ac00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812191408j408bcdf7o42570f1861b9901a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Trevor Jessie wrote: > Well... how many people have volunteered to coordinate the event(s)? > Enough geographically variance among them to do an east/west event? Six volunteers so far including myself. Frank Clarici Larry Macy Dave Woerpel Charley Braum David Lieb Old F*#t Johnson It takes 15 to 20 to run a good event at a single location. Anyone else want to join in the fun?? Cheers!! Jim From spritenut at comcast.net Fri Dec 19 16:00:47 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> Message-ID: <494C279F.2090207@comcast.net> Michael Rowe wrote: > Does anyone have access to "Traveling Salesman"-type optimization > software? It might be interesting to see exactly what location > minimizes total travel of the Spridgets on this list. I believe Biff did this a couple years ago with the frapper maps. They said Ohio was the most central location. So maybe we can all go Buckeyeing in our Spridgets! Hey it is closer than Osage Beach for me but I really don't care where it is. My Sprite may not have been designed for long highway drives but it does fine at 70 mph all day. I never had a luggage problem but I could always ship my luggage to the destination, it's the spare parts and tools that were a problem, what to bring? Luggage or spares? -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From bvsprite at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 16:11:08 2008 From: bvsprite at yahoo.com (bv) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <6EC431B356DE43F18D18CE2242E89CC2@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <866721.77692.qm@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> David - Thanks Now this is what I'm talking about:-) On the jig you can see the inclination of the frame rails. This is all I was asking for. Now we need to ask ourselves, why did they go about doing this 'retrofit' bend of the frame rails. If it was just to adjust inclination of the front wheels, it would have simply been a lot easier just to make some simple changes to the lever shock mounting surface, and/or mount the A-arm mounts at a slightly different angle. Bending the frame is kinda like 'moving the mountain closer to the village' rather than the other way around. I would guess that there is also a structural reason for doing it, like pre-stressing the front end for load bearing, and to create a slight spring effect. - Bryan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, David Lieb wrote: From: David Lieb Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails To: "Spridget List" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:44 PM http://tinyurl.com/4lofvx shows a picture of the jig used by the factory, still used by British Motor Heritage to establish the angle which impart the caster to the frame. For those who do not care for tinyurl, http://www2.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgbbs&access=10137411501086&mo de=imgdis&ifile=2|110_2008121720583718229_41717214402073_1229718712.jpg Courtesy of Bill, small dark green pleasure machine of the MGCars.org BBS. David Lieb _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bvsprite at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billmasq at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 16:23:01 2008 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:23:01 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> Message-ID: NO!! we can't have it up north because then Glenn would have further to drive that I would and I wouldn't get the trophy for furthest! Billm > From: millerls at ado13.com > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:43:44 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > > Being a left coaster I think Road America/Elkhart Lake WI would be about the > longest distance I would undertake, even with a trailer. That would probably > draw a fair number of Spridgets. > > Larry Miller > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 From mdrowe at optonline.net Fri Dec 19 16:23:06 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:23:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494C279F.2090207@comcast.net> References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> <494C279F.2090207@comcast.net> Message-ID: > what to bring? Luggage or spares? With all the talk about Speedos, it would appear there should not be a problem with luggage. Surely, three Speedos in different colors should be enough for even the most fastidious dresser. Michael Rowe From billmasq at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 16:26:20 2008 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:26:20 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> Message-ID: Now- would that be MikeRowesoft (ware)? > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:25:18 -0500 > From: mdrowe at optonline.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > > Does anyone have access to "Traveling Salesman"-type optimization software? > It might be interesting to see exactly what location minimizes total travel > of the Spridgets on this list. As I think about it, I might be able to > figure out how to make Excel do it just using the center of each state for > the locations, weighted by the number of cars in each state. > > Michael Rowe > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Dec 19 16:28:15 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:28:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <866721.77692.qm@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <6EC431B356DE43F18D18CE2242E89CC2@NilesAD.von.gov> <866721.77692.qm@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1419941417.20081219152815@pacifier.com> Hello, now that we KNOW that they're supposed to be bent slightly, it's easy to make up some good reasons for doing so. ..If we assume that there is a "BEST" angle for the kingpins to sit relative to the ground, and knowing that these parts came from the available parts bin... .. The bend also lowers albiet ever so slightly the center of gravity of the car itself as an aid in handling, .. AND changes the angle at which the "power unit" (engine + transmission) feeds into the differential, again facilitating the use of "off the shelf parts..... but then again, I don't KNOW anything and am pulling all this right our my a#$!. LOLOLOL -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Be careful with that saw!, Tom said offhandedly. From kgb at frontiernet.net Fri Dec 19 16:36:41 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:36:41 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812191408j408bcdf7o42570f1861b9901a@mail.gmail.com> References: <494984CF.1000200@comcast.net> <8c1781040812191402hf567b61jc52c519a3ed7ac00@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0812191408j408bcdf7o42570f1861b9901a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494C3009.7030705@frontiernet.net> I'll volunteer to help. but there isn't really much I can do from out here unless the event is held here. I'm pretty sure I can get a good enough discount on hotels and meals for any extra gas costs to be more than offset. Kate Jim Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Trevor Jessie wrote: > > >> Well... how many people have volunteered to coordinate the event(s)? >> Enough geographically variance among them to do an east/west event? >> > > > Six volunteers so far including myself. > > > Frank Clarici > Larry Macy > Dave Woerpel > Charley Braum > David Lieb > Old F*#t Johnson > > It takes 15 to 20 to run a good event at a single location. > > Anyone else want to join in the fun?? > > Cheers!! > Jim > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kgb at frontiernet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1856 - Release Date: 12/18/2008 8:06 PM From kgb at frontiernet.net Fri Dec 19 16:59:48 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:59:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> Message-ID: <494C3574.2040104@frontiernet.net> Isn't the Wisconsin State Airline the mosquito? Wouldn't people be more comfortable without biting insects that are capable of carrying off a horse? Kate >> >> Being a left coaster I think Road America/Elkhart Lake WI would be about the >> longest distance I would undertake, even with a trailer. That would probably >> draw a fair number of Spridgets. >> >> Larry Miller From dlh2001 at comcast.net Fri Dec 19 17:59:52 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:59:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <866721.77692.qm@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good point, why did they do it? I agree with Bryan, all the geometry can be accommodated in the mount points of the suspension parts. It's crazy to bend the frame like this. This would have been a great question to ask Gerry Coker at Jubilee. Rather, I spent most of my time asking him about his career, (which was very interesting, btw). To me, this has all the hallmarks of an engineering error or compromise. I'll speculate, tell me what you think. If you were to straighten the rails out an then put the Bugeye bonnet on, then the front of the bonnet would drop down slightly. That means the gap where the bonnet meets the rest of the body would no longer be squared up. So maybe there was a measurement error at some point when the dies were made. Given that respining the press dies for the bonnet parts is an expensive undertaking (due to the complicated curves), it may be that the "frame squeeze" was a more attractive solution. The other option is that the A40 frame was designed with a slight incline in this area and they just decided that bending the bugeye frame was the easiest way to match this, without having to re-think all the suspension mounting points. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bv" Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails > David - Thanks > > Now this is what I'm talking about:-) > On the jig you can see the inclination of the frame rails. This is all I was > asking for. > > Now we need to ask ourselves, why did they go about doing this 'retrofit' bend > of the frame rails. If it was just to adjust inclination of the front wheels, > it would have simply been a lot easier just to make some simple changes to the > lever shock mounting surface, and/or mount the A-arm mounts at a slightly > different angle. Bending the frame is kinda like 'moving the mountain closer > to the village' rather than the other way around. From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Fri Dec 19 18:54:40 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (cmanuel at wi.rr.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 1:54:40 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812191408j408bcdf7o42570f1861b9901a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081220015441.O84R8.336798.root@hrndva-web11-z01> count me in if its in the midwest area. hey I got kids and can't take a 2 week Sprite sabatical across the nation. Chris Brookfield, WI ---- Jim Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Trevor Jessie wrote: > > > Well... how many people have volunteered to coordinate the event(s)? > > Enough geographically variance among them to do an east/west event? > > > Six volunteers so far including myself. > > Frank Clarici > Larry Macy > Dave Woerpel > Charley Braum > David Lieb > Old F*#t Johnson > > It takes 15 to 20 to run a good event at a single location. > > Anyone else want to join in the fun?? > > Cheers!! > Jim > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cmanuel at wi.rr.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Fri Dec 19 19:05:12 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:05:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net><275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> <494C3574.2040104@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <8E8DB1EBE9F64C97A54B7B2232672F89@NilesAD.von.gov> > Isn't the Wisconsin State Airline the mosquito? Wouldn't people be more > comfortable without biting insects that are capable of carrying off a > horse? Kate, No, that is Minnesota. Looks a lot alike from out there, but MN is a lot closer to South Dakota. David From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Fri Dec 19 19:15:44 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:15:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <866721.77692.qm@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>> Now we need to ask ourselves, why did they go about doing this >>> 'retrofit' bend of the frame rails. It is not so much a "retrofit bend" as it is a "build it with a kink". The jig is for setting it up with the angle there rather than for inflicting the angle into it. I know of people who have used vast amounts of energy trying unsuccessfully to straighten these. Good structural strength. As with much British engineering, it is not so much that this is the best way of doing it as it is that this is the way they chose to do it. Unlike the Japanese, these designs were the product of a small number of guys, none of which devoted his entire career to determining the "best" way to set the caster. The way the suspension is setup in a Spridget, the only parameter you should have to fool with is toe-in. Unless something was bent. As long as you know that the frame is supposed be angled like this, the rest of it is fairly easy to eyeball and know that it is straight. Nothing wrong with the way it was done. I imagine that, as Peter opined, you can set the bare shell on a flat surface and measure one point to determine that the caster is fine. KISS David Lieb From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Fri Dec 19 20:14:15 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Rather compelling, but then you can't believe everything you find on the internet. I think he should have his frame straightened and give us a full report on the results. > Take a look through these pictures: > > http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/BritishMotorHeritage-Midget.htm From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 20:33:25 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:33:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Message-ID: <950719.99276.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Elkhart Lake is about the most perfect town in the universe to have it, and the lawn at the Osthoff would be the perfect place to do the show (or on the closed streets of Elkhart like during race weekends), but every summer weekend is booked with races and hotels are not easy to come by. This year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/soavero/2883872042/in/photostream/ Ron --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Kathryn Bales wrote: > From: Kathryn Bales > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > To: > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 5:59 PM > Isn't the Wisconsin State Airline the mosquito? > Wouldn't people be more > comfortable without biting insects that are capable of > carrying off a horse? > > Kate From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 19 21:01:53 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:01:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <950719.99276.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry> Ah, yes, how true, Grasshopper. BUT, during the week things are very open. Think of it: a weekend of travel time to get there, five days of weekdays to do the event, and another weekend to get home. No weekends needed. Cheaper weekday hotel rates. Only one week of vacation from work to pull the whole thing off. Early in the summer is bug-free and beautiful. Wisconsin prices are cheap as compared to other resort areas. Road America, according to Mario Andretti (and me, for whatever THAT is worth), is the most beautiful track in the world. Bar none. Any other concerns? LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Kathryn Bales" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Elkhart Lake is about the most perfect town in the universe to have it, and the lawn at the Osthoff would be the perfect place to do the show (or on the closed streets of Elkhart like during race weekends), but every summer weekend is booked with races and hotels are not easy to come by. This year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/soavero/2883872042/in/photostream/ Ron --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Kathryn Bales wrote: > From: Kathryn Bales > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > To: > Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 5:59 PM > Isn't the Wisconsin State Airline the mosquito? > Wouldn't people be more > comfortable without biting insects that are capable of > carrying off a horse? > > Kate You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Fri Dec 19 21:04:04 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <866721.77692.qm@web53811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <> Since the 9 snap windscreen Frogeyes have the "curve" HOW can it be called 'retro fit'?? Up until 10 - 15 years ago everybody HAD the chance to ask DMH himself as he was a frequent US visitor going to half dozen or so events per trip. One of the other foremost Spridget acknowledged authors AND experts IS the List's very own "Weslake-Monza 1330" and I would suggest Brian, that you do some Archive researching to find out WHO he is!! Said individual has a few pics of himself (both alone and with other Spridgeteers) in the section "Special People & Special Cars" > Sprites or Midgets Link. Keep in mind the car WAS designed with CHEAP as major factor in mind !!! From pythias at pacifier.com Fri Dec 19 21:10:14 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:10:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry> References: <950719.99276.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry> Message-ID: <1710668011.20081219201014@pacifier.com> Hello Larry, two days to get there at 1000 miles a day -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" On the other hand, you also have 5 fingers. From soavero at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 21:17:16 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry> Message-ID: <520456.68112.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Larry Daniels wrote: > track in the world. Bar none. Any other concerns? Maybe it could be scheduled around the Fall Festival in September, KIC in July, or the SVRA May race so a guy could race his race car and bring his street cars as well (Flounder, too). I'm just sayin'. Ron From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 19 21:21:36 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:21:36 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <950719.99276.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry> <1710668011.20081219201014@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Hey, Bill, if you choose to live on the outer edges of the universe, things might take a little longer. But that's true no matter where you need to go. If the event is only 3 days long, you have three days on each end for travel. In any case, it should not be any longer than MO was for you. And the end result is SO worth it. RA is in the middle of the Kettle Moraine Forest area. It doesn't get any prettier than that. Bud Pazer lives right smack dab in the middle of it and, I'll bet, has tons of incredible tour routes. No sh_t, it is flat out gorgeous. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L" To: "Larry Daniels" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Hello Larry, two days to get there at 1000 miles a day -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" On the other hand, you also have 5 fingers. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 19 21:31:46 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:31:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <520456.68112.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <177B083B3EF842A7B98DA95063CA8B9D@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Larry Daniels wrote: > track in the world. Bar none. Any other concerns? Maybe it could be scheduled around the Fall Festival in September, KIC in July, or the SVRA May race so a guy could race his race car and bring his street cars as well (Flounder, too). I'm just sayin'. Ron _______________________________________________ Ya know, every year, racers come from all over the country to race at RA. It is a venue that we who live here take for granted and everybody else salivates over. Add the natural beauty of the area for non-racers and you have something to keep everybody happy. It's really a no brainer. Which is why it is booked way, way in advance for every single weekend for years to come. We can take advantage of it without worrying as much about weekend availability. LAD From jjj at acsnet.com Fri Dec 19 22:23:25 2008 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:23:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Bent Frame Rails!!! Message-ID: <4639.66.172.236.90.1229750605.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> I'm somewhat sorry I opened such a can of worms on this one but think about this guys. I'm Geoff Healey sitting at my drawing board designing a dirt cheap little sports car without any simple castor or camber adjustment. Instead of coming up with a system for bending the frame rails why would'nt I just jig up the correct points to weld the brackets on? Maybe I'm wrong but it sure dos'nt make sense to me. I have also noticed that the cars I have and have encountered that have the least amount of bend are the cars that have obviously been treated the easiest while the cars that have been obviously thrashed have the biggest bend's. A bugeye that I had that had a obvious colorful history and shocks that had'nt worked for many a year had the most bend of about an inch. Don't want fisticuffs over this but hope for some more live'ly input. Tnx, for the sport!!! Kurt. From jjj at acsnet.com Fri Dec 19 22:42:12 2008 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:42:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] (no subject) Message-ID: <4744.66.172.236.90.1229751732.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> The majority says bent and I'm half afaid to do anything now. Before moving on this the logical thing to do would be to have a frame shop do the straighening to factory specs! Does anyone know what they are? Seem's like I read them somewhere at one time but can't find them now. As I said I have encountered different bending that at least make's me think they could use reinforcement. Thanks for all the input. And I was there!! Sprite 50. (Ratty red 66 midget with mismatched seats.) From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 00:13:44 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:13:44 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <177B083B3EF842A7B98DA95063CA8B9D@Larry> References: <520456.68112.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <177B083B3EF842A7B98DA95063CA8B9D@Larry> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812192313m77d7790ao1cadc09df37af889@mail.gmail.com> So.... Larry... Check with them and see which weekends are open for 2011... Jim On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Soave" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > > > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Larry Daniels wrote: > > track in the world. Bar none. Any other concerns? > > Maybe it could be scheduled around the Fall Festival in September, KIC in > July, or the SVRA May race so a guy could race his race car and bring his > street cars as well (Flounder, too). I'm just sayin'. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > > Ya know, every year, racers come from all over the country to race at RA. > It is a venue that we who live here take for granted and everybody else > salivates over. Add the natural beauty of the area for non-racers and you > have something to keep everybody happy. It's really a no brainer. Which > is > why it is booked way, way in advance for every single weekend for years to > come. We can take advantage of it without worrying as much about weekend > availability. > > LAD > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Sat Dec 20 02:03:25 2008 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:03:25 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Bent Frame Rails!!! In-Reply-To: <4639.66.172.236.90.1229750605.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: Yes you could do that. but as well as jigging the inner bottom wishbone points accurately, plus the top point the required amount rear of centre line, the shock mount plate also needs to be canted over toward the rear. So that is quite a lot needing accurate jigging to get it to work right. Given the mass- production engineering required it is clearly just as easy to mount those points using straight rails as the fixed datum line, and then accurately apply the single bend (each side) to the required caster angle. Quick and simple and ensures that the fixed points remain at the correct relative positions to each other whilst getting the required angle. Rather a smart solution I think. Guy PS The correct bend is about 1", depending on where exactly it is measured. -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of jjj at acsnet.com Sent: 20 December 2008 05:23 To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Bent Frame Rails!!! I'm somewhat sorry I opened such a can of worms on this one but think about this guys. I'm Geoff Healey sitting at my drawing board designing a dirt cheap little sports car without any simple castor or camber adjustment. Instead of coming up with a system for bending the frame rails why would'nt I just jig up the correct points to weld the brackets on? Maybe I'm wrong but it sure dos'nt make sense to me. I have also noticed that the cars I have and have encountered that have the least amount of bend are the cars that have obviously been treated the easiest while the cars that have been obviously thrashed have the biggest bend's. A bugeye that I had that had a obvious colorful history and shocks that had'nt worked for many a year had the most bend of about an inch. Don't want fisticuffs over this but hope for some more live'ly input. Tnx, for the sport!!! Kurt. You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Dec 20 03:17:20 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:17:20 EST Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails Message-ID: Peter C is one of the world's experts who is on the list! In a message dated 20/12/2008 04:04:03 GMT Standard Time, shop at justbrits.com writes: One of the other foremost Spridget acknowledged authors AND experts IS the List's very own From jjj at acsnet.com Sat Dec 20 05:40:04 2008 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:40:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Re,Re, Spridget bent frame rails Message-ID: <4104.66.172.236.93.1229776804.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> I'VE SEEN THE PHOTO'S AND I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!!! BMH construct photo's that is. Either my screen is warped my eyes crossed or, by yimminy, the frame rails ARE bent!! The revalation came with the query, WHY? On further thought I imagine if you are putting together a car using stamping's from other car's that are designed to assemble a certain way and you wanted to change things a bit then a little bend in the rails might be the easiest and best way to approach it. I've read all your input and I appreciate it. Saved me a lot of time, trouble, and perhaps damage before I figured this out. I'm sure I'll have more equally assinine questions for you folks in the future and I thank you!!! Kurt A. From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 07:43:31 2008 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:43:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> <200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: .. ok so what you are telling me is that a perfect, rust free, ready to paint body is still being made? It has to be cheaper than all the work it takes to get one straight.. NOW YOU TELL ME! Lester ;-) On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > At 02:43 PM 12/19/2008, Trevor Jessie wrote: >> Take a look through these pictures: >> >> http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/BritishMotorHeritage-Midget.htm > =============== > That's very cool. In the 3rd picture, where they are showing the > 1500 engine support, note the toggle clamps. If the bulk of the > frame is resting on the table, I would estimate the front of the > horns to be raised about an inch? I'm comparing bolt diameters in > the picture. > > Also, is the radiator support perpendicular to the frame or do they > tilt back? > > Peter C _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 08:51:58 2008 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:51:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? Message-ID: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. http://tinyurl.com/a5rrxr Lester From billmasq at hotmail.com Sat Dec 20 08:57:16 2008 From: billmasq at hotmail.com (Bill Masquelier) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:57:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? In-Reply-To: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> References: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> Message-ID: A radiator shroud > From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net; bugeye at yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:51:58 -0600 > Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? > > Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. > > > http://tinyurl.com/a5rrxr > > Lester > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billmasq at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 008 From corvallis at peoplepc.com Sat Dec 20 08:59:36 2008 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:59:36 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? In-Reply-To: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> References: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> Message-ID: (truth in advertising) Appears you are getting some expensive aluminum sheet. Wonder what it will look like when the post office gets through with it. ...bill in oregon ========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lester Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:52 AM To: Spridgets List; bugeye at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. http://tinyurl.com/a5rrxr Lester _______________________________________________ From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Sat Dec 20 08:59:57 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:59:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? Message-ID: <200812201559.mBKFxvD3022768@biglossa.ucdavis.edu> The shroud. > Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 09:06:37 2008 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:06:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? In-Reply-To: <200812201559.mBKFxvD3022768@biglossa.ucdavis.edu> References: <200812201559.mBKFxvD3022768@biglossa.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <0FC2B526-6CAA-4B92-A714-09BF464327EB@comcast.net> Yet the item listed is the radiator,why not even mention the shroud in the title OR description? Lester On Dec 20, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Glen Byrns wrote: > > The shroud. > >> Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Dec 20 09:26:51 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:26:51 EST Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? Message-ID: I really liked it and for the work involved seemed a reasonable price. Yes, it would need to be well packed to arrive in once piece. The only thing is that I haven't bothered with a shroud on my car for some years now. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 20/12/2008 16:00:05 GMT Standard Time, corvallis at peoplepc.com writes: Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. http://tinyurl.com/a5rrxr Lester From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Dec 20 09:28:10 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:28:10 EST Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? Message-ID: Might not search up very well, the rad just looks like a regular brass one anyway. The photo of the air filter casing is interesting. In a message dated 20/12/2008 16:06:55 GMT Standard Time, oldsaabguy at comcast.net writes: Yet the item listed is the radiator,why not even mention the shroud in the title OR description? Lester From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Sat Dec 20 09:38:41 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (cmanuel at wi.rr.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:38:41 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <520456.68112.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081220163841.RTP2H.343187.root@hrndva-web25-z02> If we did it in June, we can also take control of the Sussex Field show in Sussex, WI. There weere only 3 Sprite there last year. It would be nice to tip the scales on that one and make the Triumph side seem small. Downside though is that it always seem to be the same weekend as Blackhawk. Chris ---- Ron Soave wrote: > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Larry Daniels wrote: > > track in the world. Bar none. Any other concerns? > > Maybe it could be scheduled around the Fall Festival in September, KIC in July, or the SVRA May race so a guy could race his race car and bring his street cars as well (Flounder, too). I'm just sayin'. From bpazur at excel.net Sat Dec 20 10:38:07 2008 From: bpazur at excel.net (Bud Pazur) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:38:07 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <950719.99276.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry><1710668011.20081219201014@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <001001c962c9$b9c517e0$18e767d1@BUDA81RB4QWBBH> Bud the lurker here - Yeah, the Kettle Moraines just goes on forever, winding two lane blacktop with no traffic and beautiful scenery. Farms, cows, barns, fields and forests - its all black and white, red, green and blue. The bikers just love this area. They drive en masse over these country roads every summer (when I had a bike we would join them). And the lakes along the way - they are everywhere. You can get lost very easily, but then you come across a town of 300 souls with a bar (this is Wisconsin, after all), and everyone is really friendly. And there are lots of lodging options due to RA, which is a half hour away from totally lost in the country. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Bill L" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > Hey, Bill, if you choose to live on the outer edges of the universe, things > might take a little longer. But that's true no matter where you need to go. > > If the event is only 3 days long, you have three days on each end for > travel. In any case, it should not be any longer than MO was for you. And > the end result is SO worth it. RA is in the middle of the Kettle Moraine > Forest area. It doesn't get any prettier than that. Bud Pazer lives right > smack dab in the middle of it and, I'll bet, has tons of incredible tour > routes. No sh_t, it is flat out gorgeous. > > LAD > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill L" > To: "Larry Daniels" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:10 PM > Subject: Re[2]: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > > > Hello Larry, > > two days to get there at 1000 miles a day > > -- > Best regards, > Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com > > '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" > > On the other hand, you also have 5 fingers. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bpazur at excel.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Dec 20 10:34:52 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:34:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <001001c962c9$b9c517e0$18e767d1@BUDA81RB4QWBBH> References: <950719.99276.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry><1710668011.20081219201014@pacifier.com> <001001c962c9$b9c517e0$18e767d1@BUDA81RB4QWBBH> Message-ID: <494D2CBC.4060606@frontiernet.net> Sounds beautiful. Does Wisconsin still have that wonderful law on the books that requires restaurants to serve real butter unless someone insists on margarine? Kate Bud Pazur wrote: > Bud the lurker here - > > Yeah, the Kettle Moraines just goes on forever, winding two lane blacktop > with no traffic and beautiful scenery. Farms, cows, barns, fields and > forests - its all black and white, red, green and blue. From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Sat Dec 20 12:31:11 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:31:11 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com><200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: I dunno. They sell them out of Vancouver. I'm told they're $10,000 cdn -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lester Sent: December 20, 2008 9:44 AM Cc: Spridgets Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails .. ok so what you are telling me is that a perfect, rust free, ready to paint body is still being made? It has to be cheaper than all the work it takes to get one straight.. NOW YOU TELL ME! Lester ;-) From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 20 12:36:59 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:36:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? In-Reply-To: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <> Check his other auctions. Complete 948 starting (BiN) at 99.95. Glen & Gerard (Sunol) !! Or he will take to SD/LA areas!! Thought he DID have a 'real deal' in that he Lists in the Store a "horn" !!! =s thermostat ?!?!? From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 14:51:16 2008 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:51:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bending Frames Message-ID: <37dc82d40812201351x4c8abdaat61a984210f96c877@mail.gmail.com> Reminds me of the last minute decision foisted on MG to raise their cars 2 inches and come up with rubber bumpers to be able to continue to sell in the States. Could the bend be a last minute type thing that was determined as necessary before the cars could be brought to the public? "Hey, we got this angle off, we need to do something. Let's bend the frame up a bit and get on with it." Just a stange conjecture. . . but I guess stranger things have happened before. Kirk 59 BE From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Dec 20 14:59:45 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:59:45 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Bending Frames Message-ID: Like making the Morris Minor an inch (or whatever) wider at the last minute? In a message dated 20/12/2008 21:51:38 GMT Standard Time, khargreaves2 at gmail.com writes: Just a stange conjecture. . . but I guess stranger things have happened before. From mdrowe at optonline.net Sat Dec 20 16:29:47 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? In-Reply-To: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> References: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> Message-ID: It is a custom radiator without the radiator. Isn't that clear? Michael Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lester" To: "Spridgets List" ; Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? > Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. > > > http://tinyurl.com/a5rrxr > > Lester > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mdrowe at optonline.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From wbmcleod at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 17:05:42 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:05:42 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? In-Reply-To: References: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jeez! I've got a nice straight original shroud going on ebay after Christmas. I'll be disappointed if I don't get $200! Bill Slightly Classics Tucson On Dec 20, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: > It is a custom radiator without the radiator. Isn't that clear? > Michael Rowe > > Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? > > >> Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. >> http://tinyurl.com/a5rrxr >> Lester From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sat Dec 20 17:45:18 2008 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:45:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? In-Reply-To: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> References: <16EA5F56-78C1-4A02-A6BE-C3398D01161D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901c96305$66137fb0$323a7f10$@net> What is being sold is the radiator surround and a cover for the SU's. Radiator is not included:)\ Leo -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lester Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:52 AM To: Spridgets List; bugeye at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Spridgets] What's wrong with this sale?? Please read the ad and explain what is being sold.. http://tinyurl.com/a5rrxr Lester You are subscribed as 60bugeye at cebridge.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sat Dec 20 17:55:43 2008 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:55:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) Message-ID: <000a01c96306$da1a2570$8e4e7050$@net> HYPERLINK "http://austin.craigslist.org/ctd/963799283.html"http://austin.craigslist.or g/ctd/963799283.html What I want for Christmas J The pictures of it are incredible. SUPER straight , solid body and lots of new parts included. Paint, assembley, and about another 40k and you have a super sexy car. Leo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From dmeadow at juno.com Sat Dec 20 19:15:20 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:15:20 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) Message-ID: <20081220.201520.2412.0.dmeadow@juno.com> Can't see the pictures, but after all that you'd be lucky if you could get anyone to take it off your hands for $30k. There isn't a less desirable car in the E-type world than a 2+2 automatic. On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:55:43 -0600 "Leo" <60bugeye at cebridge.net> writes: > HYPERLINK > "http://austin.craigslist.org/ctd/963799283.html"http://austin.craigslist .or > g/ctd/963799283.html > > > > What I want for Christmas J The pictures of it are incredible. > SUPER > straight , solid body and lots of new parts included. Paint, > assembley, and > about another 40k and you have a super sexy car. > > > > Leo > ____________________________________________________________ Click now and find quality custom embroidery for almost any item! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1L2VBJ4xhpSD7dwzwBDdrYSzPedtjKlf2uPKjgX4PbpbRUI/ From soavero at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 19:35:10 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) In-Reply-To: <20081220.201520.2412.0.dmeadow@juno.com> Message-ID: <452809.59392.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, David Littlefield wrote: > get anyone to take it off your hands for $30k. There > isn't a less > desirable car in the E-type world than a 2+2 automatic. I personally know a guy who bought a nice V-12 2+2 for $25,000, spent another $40,000 having it refreshed, could not sell it at $18,000 and finally gave it to his ex-girlfriend to make her go away. Ron From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 19:46:52 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:46:52 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) In-Reply-To: <452809.59392.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <452809.59392.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494DAE1C.3090803@comcast.net> Ron Soave wrote: > > I personally know a guy who bought a nice V-12 2+2 for $25,000, spent another $40,000 having it refreshed, could not sell it at $18,000 and finally gave it to his ex-girlfriend to make her go away. > > My coop mate has an E Type, fresh paint, the rear end is still sitting on a crate all professionally rebuilt, something like 4k for the rear axle alone. Lots of new stuff for it, some assembly required. He would like to see 20k. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Dec 20 19:52:48 2008 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:52:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <522E1C5F6AE2405C8BFB0104A8E8672A@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: I actually have to agree with this. I have not done as many as David, but if you pack right, you can even go camping with a tent, grill etc in a Spridget over 2400 miles or so. Larry On Dec 18, 2008, at 10:43 AM, David Lieb wrote: >> for the car but not the passengers and luggage space. > > As one of the ones who has done insane distances in Spridgets, I > would like to suggest that you must not be doing it right. I rather > enjoy sitting in a Spridget all day long. A good boot rack > covers my luggage needs even with a passenger on a trip. > David Lieb > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Board Member at Large Philadelphia MG Club "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!". From 60bugeye at cebridge.net Sat Dec 20 20:50:28 2008 From: 60bugeye at cebridge.net (Leo) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:50:28 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) In-Reply-To: <494DAE1C.3090803@comcast.net> References: <452809.59392.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <494DAE1C.3090803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301c9631f$4451d740$ccf585c0$@net> LOL... Didnt say I was going to purchase it.... No time or room even if I wanted to BUT I do so love the style. Actually I love the 1960 - 61 model. Personally I dont think there is any other car that screams out such sensuality. My favorite body style and probably always will be. Resale always isnt the issue:) Some you keep till you die..like Iris :) Leo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From dmeadow at juno.com Sat Dec 20 21:22:18 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (David Littlefield) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:22:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) Message-ID: <20081220.222218.2496.0.dmeadow@juno.com> Yeah, to paraphrase Charleton Heston, you'd have to pry my 1961 E-Type roadster out of my cold, dead fingers. Though its probably the only thing I own that has increased in value over the last five years. :) On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:50:28 -0600 "Leo" <60bugeye at cebridge.net> writes: > LOL... Didnt say I was going to purchase it.... No time or room even > if I > wanted to BUT I do so love the style. Actually I love the 1960 - 61 > model. > Personally I dont think there is any other car that screams out > such > sensuality. My favorite body style and probably always will be. > Resale > always isnt the issue:) Some you keep till you die..like Iris :) > > Leo > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: > 12/19/2008 > 10:09 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dmeadow at juno.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on how to reduce your debt by filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw22U6DoIFBeS1DVwgajvkisrzBTI4J4gNmBPWmkcvfcTgt4I/ From racerbob70 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 22:12:28 2008 From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:12:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) In-Reply-To: <20081220.201520.2412.0.dmeadow@juno.com> Message-ID: <737099.31274.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey be nice. I got me one of those, 2+2-automatic-19K orig documented miles, which has won several Jag awards in the driven class, 9.9 out of a 10, which can had for $28K!! Pictures upon request...... --- On Sat, 12/20/08, David Littlefield wrote: From: David Littlefield Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Christmas present for me :) To: 60bugeye at cebridge.net Cc: Spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:15 PM Can't see the pictures, but after all that you'd be lucky if you could get anyone to take it off your hands for $30k. There isn't a less desirable car in the E-type world than a 2+2 automatic. On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:55:43 -0600 "Leo" <60bugeye at cebridge.net> writes: > HYPERLINK > "http://austin.craigslist.org/ctd/963799283.html"http://austin.craigslist .or > g/ctd/963799283.html > > > > What I want for Christmas J The pictures of it are incredible. > SUPER > straight , solid body and lots of new parts included. Paint, > assembley, and > about another 40k and you have a super sexy car. > > > > Leo From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Dec 20 22:23:55 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:23:55 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> Hello, Been doing a little research. The distance from Kelso Wa. to Elkhart Lake Wisconsin is only about 35 miles further than Osage Beach Missouri...... hmmmmmm.......... The distance from Davis California is less than 100 miles further than from Kelso. IF.. and that's a big one, I went and IF it's held in WI, I could loose the long distance award again... by the smallest of margins.....to Glen B. ...San Diego is only 15 more miles than Davis, but San Fran is further by about 150.. Gerard?.. . and Grants Pass Oregon is about 100 more than that..WFO Herb?...... .. hmmmmmmm...... ...... -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" If practice makes perfect, and nobody's perfect, why practice? From dwoerpel at wi.net Sat Dec 20 22:37:43 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:37:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Distance driven In-Reply-To: <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <494DD627.5090906@wi.net> Bill, So if you drive by way of China, you'd win! And pick some tools up for door prizes and you know who..... ;-) BTW, as log as I'm on this venue thing, let's have a winter event and some good old fashion ice racing! Hmmm, wonder if a 948 would work in a snowmobile? Glen? Could you f.i. it for me? OK, OK...out in the snow too long today. Dave 59 :{) Burlington WI (just got in from plowing another 2" of snow before it hit -3 tonight) Bill L wrote: > Hello, > > Been doing a little research. The distance from Kelso Wa. to > Elkhart Lake Wisconsin is only about 35 miles further than Osage > Beach Missouri...... hmmmmmm.......... > > The distance from Davis California is less than 100 miles > further than from Kelso. IF.. and that's a big one, I went and > IF it's held in WI, I could loose the long distance award > again... by the smallest of margins.....to Glen B. ...San Diego > is only 15 more miles than Davis, but San Fran is further by > about 150.. Gerard?.. . and Grants Pass Oregon is about 100 more > than that..WFO Herb?...... .. > > hmmmmmmm...... ...... From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 00:04:27 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:04:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: end-of-year reminder about the Paul A Fund In-Reply-To: <697031.37674.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <697031.37674.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812202304j75cfbe15y2a90924c879462d0@mail.gmail.com> A forward from Vigil and John Voelcker. If you've got a little extra this Christmas.... Cheers!! Jim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:49 PM Subject: [midgetsprite] end-of-year reminder about the Paul A Fund To: Sprite , Midget/Sprite < midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com> Group, I am forwarding this from the Morris_Motors group. I figured there may be a few people who may want to give to a charitable fund and help a friend. Please read on.............. Vigil --- On Sat, 12/20/08, wrote: From: Subject: [morris_motors] end-of-year reminder about the Paul A Fund To: "Morris Minor Group" > Cc: "Peter Shull" > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 4:34 PM In this holiday season of giving and gathering, a gentle reminder that one of our most generous group members could still use our help as he convalesces from chemotherapy. Paul Asgeirsson, the owner of Morriservice and a friend to many of us, is faced with all kinds of follow-up procedures during his recovery--which is going well, I'm told--and is just slowly getting back into doing shop business, which means his income has been cut substantially. His friend Peter Shull set up a fund to help Paul out some months ago; it's simply called "The Paul A Fund". if you know Paul, or have benefited from his knowledge, his parts, or his services, please consider sending a check to help him out. You can send it directly to Peter at: Peter Shull 1405 NE Village Street Fairview OR 97024 My personal wishes to Paul and everyone else on this list for a happy, healthy, safe, and rewarding holiday season and New Year. best, jv. John Voelcker Saugerties NY From tequila.brad at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 04:55:23 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:55:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Distance driven In-Reply-To: <494DD627.5090906@wi.net> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> <494DD627.5090906@wi.net> Message-ID: It was 83* at Elizabeth Jones' home yesterday On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:37 PM, David Woerpel wrote: > > > Dave > 59 :{) > Burlington WI (just got in from plowing another 2" of snow before it hit -3 > tonight) From kgb at frontiernet.net Sun Dec 21 05:14:33 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:14:33 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Distance driven In-Reply-To: References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> <494DD627.5090906@wi.net> Message-ID: <494E3329.7050908@frontiernet.net> Sounds like a good place for Midget50 to me! Can we have it today? Kate Brad Fornal wrote: > It was 83* at Elizabeth Jones' home yesterday From spritenut at comcast.net Sun Dec 21 07:38:56 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:38:56 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Distance driven In-Reply-To: <494DD627.5090906@wi.net> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> <494DD627.5090906@wi.net> Message-ID: <494E5500.7040701@comcast.net> David Woerpel wrote: > let's have a winter event and some good old fashion ice racing! > Hmmm, wonder if a 948 would work in a snowmobile? Dave Why put a 948 in a snowmobile when a Sprite on the ice is so much more fun than a snow mobile on the ice. less traction means greater loop-de-loops. 90 mph straights and then an E brake makes for some really cool "Bat Turns" and then there is always "Bumper Cars"! :) I have had a couple of Sprites out on the ice racing ice boats, I won ;) Do watch out for those damn channel markers though, they jump out and mess up the body work. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 21 09:28:15 2008 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:28:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494E6E9F.4090203@sbcglobal.net> One of my winter projects is to replace all the suspension bushings, front and rear, in my 1979 rubber bumper Midget. Is there any reason/advantage to lowering the ride height to A-series specs? Will it look stupid? Will it improve or hurt handling? What is involved? I have a set of front coils from a '69. I can remove the spacers at the front of the rear leaf springs. Anything else??? I have a negative camber situation in the front that I'm going to try and fix with offset adjustable trunnion bushings from MiniMania, per Frank C.'s advice. I think I also will avoid poly bushings elsewhere, as I've not heard much in their favor, except at the track. I'm not looking to race this beast and hope to drive it the 1000 miles to MG2009 in Colorado next summer (anyone else going?). Thanks. Lee in St. Louis From bpazur at excel.net Sun Dec 21 10:46:14 2008 From: bpazur at excel.net (Bud Pazur) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:46:14 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <950719.99276.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9962AD1CE7D14290972FC06F870388D3@Larry><1710668011.20081219201014@pacifier.com><001001c962c9$b9c517e0$18e767d1@BUDA81RB4QWBBH> <494D2CBC.4060606@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <000701c96394$055c8970$bfe767d1@BUDA81RB4QWBBH> Kate - No (at least I don't think so) but they did!!!! Wierd. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bales" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > Sounds beautiful. Does Wisconsin still have that wonderful law on the > books that requires restaurants to serve real butter unless someone > insists on margarine? > > Kate > > > > Bud Pazur wrote: > > Bud the lurker here - > > > > Yeah, the Kettle Moraines just goes on forever, winding two lane blacktop > > with no traffic and beautiful scenery. Farms, cows, barns, fields and > > forests - its all black and white, red, green and blue. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bpazur at excel.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dwoerpel at wi.net Sun Dec 21 11:09:11 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:09:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank C. Message-ID: <494E8647.7010006@wi.net> Frank, I tried replying to your email and it got bounced back again; you got me blocked? Sent to: spritenut at comcast.net Dave From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 21 11:46:35 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:46:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank C. References: <494E8647.7010006@wi.net> Message-ID: <444EC5992943498D89EEE58ED86A9C95@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Woerpel" To: "SPRIDGETS" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank C. Frank, I tried replying to your email and it got bounced back again; you got me blocked? Sent to: spritenut at comcast.net Dave _______________________________________________ Frank does, too? Sorry, Dave, it was there and I have no self-control. Larry From shop at justbrits.com Sun Dec 21 12:05:19 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:05:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank C. In-Reply-To: <444EC5992943498D89EEE58ED86A9C95@Larry> Message-ID: <> And the NEW news might be.....????? Sorry, LAD; it was there and I.......................... LMAO From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:10:37 2008 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:10:37 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] E-Type Message-ID: <37dc82d40812211110w96a627co6a67dc7d181eb6d5@mail.gmail.com> Here is a guy that takes his E-Type seriously. He lives in the Silicon Valley and is a mid level manager at a large tech company. So all of his work was done at night and on the weekends. Makes me feel small when I have a few little things to do on my Bugeye and I cannot push myself out the door to continue to work on it. http://www.mckennasgarage.com/xke/index.htm PS Me think the early 4.3's are the most desirable, drop tops. There will probably never be another body styled to such artistic perfection as the E-Type. From what I have heard, the straight 6 is a bullet proof engine. It outlasted Ferrari in the '55 and '56 24 Hours of Le Mans. Although heavy as a boat anchor, it was well thought out (other than the weight factor). I have also been told by those who own these cars that the V12 is not much, if any faster, than a well tuned straight 6? A couple years ago at the Vintage Races Infineon Raceway (used to be Sears Point) I watched a well prepped Type E running triple Webers, headers as well as a lot of other refinements take an entire field of V8 tubular framed Cobra types. They simply could not catch the "cat" in the corners. The sound of that straight 6 whining down the back straight was something to behold! From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:38:36 2008 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:38:36 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame Bend - Reference to Radiator Message-ID: <37dc82d40812211138v1cf5a2c7h6ea3383828879257@mail.gmail.com> Actually put there to lean the radiator back a bit. Otherwise, the car would over heat. They discovered this after many tedious hours of study. Looking at it backwards: If the bend in our frames were the result of the car being driven over time, then it would also make sense that their would be a negative change in handling, some cars over time, handling more poorly than others? "Hey, my car has a lot of miles on it over rough roads, and that bend I have been noticing has increased. I can really feel it in the handling - the car gets worse over time, as I notice the bend beginning to get worse and worse." I still go with the radiator, the need to lean the radiator back a few degrees. Kirk 59BE From wmgilroy at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:00:16 2008 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:00:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <494EA050.6020204@gmail.com> You could move north of Bellingham to lock in the award. -g Bill L wrote: > Hello, > > Been doing a little research. The distance from Kelso Wa. to > Elkhart Lake Wisconsin is only about 35 miles further than Osage > Beach Missouri...... hmmmmmm.......... > > The distance from Davis California is less than 100 miles > further than from Kelso. IF.. and that's a big one, I went and > IF it's held in WI, I could loose the long distance award > again... by the smallest of margins.....to Glen B. ...San Diego > is only 15 more miles than Davis, but San Fran is further by > about 150.. Gerard?.. . and Grants Pass Oregon is about 100 more > than that..WFO Herb?...... .. > > hmmmmmmm...... ...... From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:01:00 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:01:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] E-Type In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40812211110w96a627co6a67dc7d181eb6d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40812211110w96a627co6a67dc7d181eb6d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812211201l7abc3d45sd2865b7d9b6727e1@mail.gmail.com> My recollections are a little different. Pretty car, yes. Mechanically? It was a nightmare. Our little racing team in England back in the late 60s raced one at Brands and at Snetterton for about 5 months. Minis ate our lunch. It would NOT stay in 3rd gear! The triple SUs were a cast iron bi*#ch to keep synchronized. Timing slipped occasionally and at very inopportune times. The only bright spot was that we could routinely beat the Corvettes. We gave it up for a Lotus Cortina. That said, we didn't have the dough to put into all the performance modifications. Those E-types that could afford the suspension, tranny, diff and aspiration upgrades did quite well but still had clutch and tranny problems. Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > Here is a guy that takes his E-Type seriously. > > He lives in the Silicon Valley and is a mid level manager at a large tech > company. So all of his work was done at night and on the weekends. Makes > me feel small when I have a few little things to do on my Bugeye and I > cannot push myself out the door to continue to work on it. > > http://www.mckennasgarage.com/xke/index.htm > > PS > Me think the early 4.3's are the most desirable, drop tops. There will > probably never be another body styled to such artistic perfection as the > E-Type. From what I have heard, the straight 6 is a bullet proof engine. > It outlasted Ferrari in the '55 and '56 24 Hours of Le Mans. Although > heavy > as a boat anchor, it was well thought out (other than the weight factor). > I > have also been told by those who own these cars that the V12 is not much, > if > any faster, than a well tuned straight 6? > > A couple years ago at the Vintage Races Infineon Raceway (used to be Sears > Point) I watched a well prepped Type E running triple Webers, headers as > well as a lot of other refinements take an entire field of V8 tubular > framed > Cobra types. They simply could not catch the "cat" in the corners. The > sound of that straight 6 whining down the back straight was something to > behold! From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:04:13 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:04:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame Bend - Reference to Radiator In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40812211138v1cf5a2c7h6ea3383828879257@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40812211138v1cf5a2c7h6ea3383828879257@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812211204g75d5f86ct547542f911e7765a@mail.gmail.com> Kirk, Why bend the frame then? It would be much easier to just bend the radiator brackets. Then there is the question about the fan hitting the rad if it is tipped back isn't there? Where is the bend point? Ahead or behind the engine mounts? Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > Actually put there to lean the radiator back a bit. Otherwise, the car > would over heat. They discovered this after many tedious hours of study. > > Looking at it backwards: > If the bend in our frames were the result of the car being driven over > time, > then it would also make sense that their would be a negative change in > handling, some cars over time, handling more poorly than others? > > "Hey, my car has a lot of miles on it over rough roads, and that bend I > have > been noticing has increased. I can really feel it in the handling - the > car > gets worse over time, as I notice the bend beginning to get worse and > worse." > > > I still go with the radiator, the need to lean the radiator back a few > degrees. > > Kirk > 59BE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:08:31 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:08:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494EA050.6020204@gmail.com> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> <494EA050.6020204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812211208v2c0e0c1emfd5e7e45848c667c@mail.gmail.com> Anchorage, Bill. Move to Anchorage! Warning. The venue group is considering places like Tahoe with MG2011 and Elko, NV so those coming from Florida would beat you hands down.... ;-) Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:00 PM, William M. Gilroy wrote: > You could move north of Bellingham to lock in the award. > > -g > > > Bill L wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Been doing a little research. The distance from Kelso Wa. to > > Elkhart Lake Wisconsin is only about 35 miles further than Osage > > Beach Missouri...... hmmmmmm.......... > > > > The distance from Davis California is less than 100 miles > > further than from Kelso. IF.. and that's a big one, I went and > > IF it's held in WI, I could loose the long distance award > > again... by the smallest of margins.....to Glen B. ...San Diego > > is only 15 more miles than Davis, but San Fran is further by > > about 150.. Gerard?.. . and Grants Pass Oregon is about 100 more > > than that..WFO Herb?...... .. > > > > hmmmmmmm...... ...... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 21 13:17:55 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:17:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net><1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> <494EA050.6020204@gmail.com> <43840a7e0812211208v2c0e0c1emfd5e7e45848c667c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1088C2F26B4E48CAB7EC35A9DCF83C19@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Johnson" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th Anchorage, Bill. Move to Anchorage! Warning. The venue group is considering places like Tahoe with MG2011 and Elko, NV so those coming from Florida would beat you hands down.... ;-) Cheers!! Jim ====================== Tahoe? Over 2300 miles to the East coast. Over 3100 to Miami. Now that's a good way to ensure a small turnout. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Dec 21 13:36:51 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:36:51 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame Bend - Reference to Radiator References: <37dc82d40812211138v1cf5a2c7h6ea3383828879257@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F15E7DD88CE4DE6AE0743F2B4C9DF66@blackbox2> Show me the data as a result of this "many hours of study". Not even that, just show me a quote from a magazine or a book where a BMC engineer said such a thing. There is no way this minimal amount of tilt would have any significant impact on the cooling capacity of the radiator. Not to mention that I just can't imagine a BMC engineer back in 1958 saying "Hey, it overheating, lets bend the frame" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Hargreaves" > Actually put there to lean the radiator back a bit. Otherwise, the car > would over heat. They discovered this after many tedious hours of study. From bighealey at charter.net Sun Dec 21 13:45:44 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:45:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake warning rebuild kiy Message-ID: I need to source a brake warning assembly rebuild kit (two little o rings and brass washer) for a 76 Midget. Moss is out of stock and BV does not carry these. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From shop at justbrits.com Sun Dec 21 14:10:18 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:10:18 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake warning rebuild kiy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> IF you would like me to check tomorrow Tracy, please write me direct. NO business is 'supposed' to be carried out "on List(s)". Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com ("Joke Section" IS back!!) From abcoz at hky.com Sun Dec 21 14:41:21 2008 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:41:21 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bent Frame Rails Message-ID: <3393D5BC7F054259845F34D8C810513F@OwnerPC> Finally getting a spare moment to comment on this. Not meaning to pee in anybody's corn flakes here, but: First of all, to those claiming to "notice more bend in frame rails on hard-driven cars": What are you guys smokin'? Reality check, here........ Have you actually measured (ACCURATELY, as in "on a frame machine") this bend? Didn't think so. If you study that section of the frame, where the front suspension ties in, you will notice that it is very well supported by other parts of the actual frame. Those frame rails are not just hangin' out there, vulnerable to bending from stresses imposed by the forces that those stock brakes and skinny tires can generate. Take a good, hard look at the structure surrounding the front suspension pick-up points, then try to rationalize how what you are claiming can actually take place. Sorry guys, IT AIN'T HAPPENIN'. Secondly: Regarding the shape of those front frame rails. I'm willing to bet that Geoff Healey and his design team forgot more than anyone on this list will ever know about designing chassis within the parameters given them. That Sprite chassis is amazingly rigid and tough, especially when compared to it's contemporaries. Anyone intimately familiar with the legendary Porsche Speedster will instantly get my point. Thirdly, and, again, not trying to pee in anybody's corn flakes (translation: no offense meant/nothing personal): If Geoff Healey is looking down on us, he's probably either laughing at our lack of engineering understanding, or fixin' to put a hex on some of us for our blasphemy. And, for those who don't know me, or those on this list having short memories: I've been around these silly little cars for well over forty years, and I've seen a whole bunch of them "naked", too. The only way I've seen those rails actually bent is due to collision damage. Now, competition cars are a different story. But, even those don't retain any deflection imposed due to overloading by uprated suspension tires & brakes. There is good reason for tying roll cages into suspension pick-up points, but not just on a Spridget. Bud Osbourne From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Dec 21 15:11:03 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:11:03 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Bent Frame Rails Message-ID: Well said. On hard driven cars what you get is crack in the metal on the section of metal joining that front triangle section - what I'd call a chassis leg section. This crack is apparently caused by heavy braking on racing cars, road car in my instance. Regards Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 21/12/2008 21:41:40 GMT Standard Time, abcoz at hky.com writes: Now, competition cars are a different story. But, even those don't retain any deflection imposed due to overloading by uprated suspension tires & brakes. From davriker at nwi.net Sun Dec 21 15:56:09 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:56:09 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? References: <494E6E9F.4090203@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Lee: The front spring swap will lower the front end to CB height. Removing the lift blocks from the rear springs will get you part of the way there in the rear, but the RB springs still have more arch to them than the CB springs. To truely get the CB height, you will need to change the rear springs as well. How it will look is your opinion. I think they look good lowered even farther than that. You can do almost another inch lower than CB height and the car will look well planted. If you are replacing the springs anyway, specify 1" lower height rear springs, and you can either use spring pan spacers in the front with the CB springs, or get shorter/stiffer front springs. The handling, under normal driving is not noticably different. You'll feel more difference from all new parts and correct alignment than you will from a change in the ride height. Odds are the negative camber will go away if you replace all of the worn front suspension parts. The main drawback to lowering the car is that you will drag the exhaust pipe over speed bumps more often. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Fox" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? > One of my winter projects is to replace all the suspension bushings, > front and rear, in my 1979 rubber bumper Midget. > > Is there any reason/advantage to lowering the ride height to A-series > specs? > > Will it look stupid? > Will it improve or hurt handling? > > What is involved? > I have a set of front coils from a '69. > I can remove the spacers at the front of the rear leaf springs. > Anything else??? > > I have a negative camber situation in the front that I'm going to try > and fix with offset adjustable trunnion bushings from MiniMania, per > Frank C.'s advice. I think I also will avoid poly bushings elsewhere, as > I've not heard much in their favor, except at the track. From davriker at nwi.net Sun Dec 21 16:13:15 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:13:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Bent Frame Rails References: Message-ID: <125109EEEFBA4D65A8F424AC75A25C20@MAIN> Daniel: And we've talked before about some of your brake mods. I doubt the stock brakes could generate enough force to crack the welds, but with sticky tires, a big brake kit and a power booster, well, all bets are off. Remember the 1st of the bugeyes with front drum brakes didn't even have inner and outer triangle reinforcements. Really, the curved frame rails are an elegantly simple solution to a number of design requirements. If the A-arms were to be mounted at an angle to achieve correct caster, then the frame rails would need to be taller, hence heavier and more costly in terms of raw materials. Jigging the cross member at an angle would have been more complex than jigging the frame. Also, the engine does tilt back slightly, the curve in the frame aiding in drive shaft alignment and minimizing the u-joint angle. With the engine at a slight rearward tilt, yes, the radiator does need to tilt so that the fan is parallel to the radiator. Not to mention, in a crash, I'm sure this bend has an affect on the crumple pattern and energy absorbsion. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Bent Frame Rails > Well said. > > On hard driven cars what you get is crack in the metal on the section of > metal joining that front triangle section - what I'd call a chassis leg > section. > This crack is apparently caused by heavy braking on racing cars, road car > in my instance. > > Regards > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 21/12/2008 21:41:40 GMT Standard Time, abcoz at hky.com > writes: > > Now, competition cars are a different story. But, even those don't > retain > any > deflection imposed due to overloading by uprated suspension tires & > brakes. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Dec 21 16:46:06 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:06 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com><200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: > .. ok so what you are telling me is that a perfect, rust free, ready > to paint body is still being made? It has to be cheaper than all the > work it takes to get one straight.. NOW YOU TELL ME! It is better than that, Lester, in that it is electrostatically primed with rust-resistant primer, can be finish painted by them, too, is also available in RWA, can occasionally be special-ordered fully seam welded for competition use, etc. OTOH, there are reports of panel alignment issues, although that might have been only the early copies, the body you get might have holes that vary a bit from their equivalent on yours, expects a British steering column rather than the federalized version (yes, BMH assures me that there is a difference), and it IS expensive for Spridget parts. Nonetheless, I wish I could afford one... David Lieb From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Dec 21 17:02:21 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:02:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake warning rebuild kiy References: Message-ID: > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com > ("Joke Section" IS back!!) You mean your site was down for a while? Lorry Denials "It was there and I ..." From soavero at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 17:05:38 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:05:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Brake warning rebuild kiy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <865041.4371.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/21/08, David Lieb wrote: > You mean your site was down for a while? > Lorry Denials > "It was there and I ..." You mean he has a site??? Divad Beil From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Dec 21 17:26:09 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Brake warning rebuild kiy References: <865041.4371.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <176B034F021D4280B76799BD51274A15@midget> > You mean he has a site??? Yeah, didn't you read that the joke page is back up now? From pythias at pacifier.com Sun Dec 21 17:46:11 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:46:11 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: <494EA050.6020204@gmail.com> References: <121820081837.23155.494A985E000C3DEC00005A7322218675169B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <1082567552.20081220212355@pacifier.com> <494EA050.6020204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <579511544.20081221164611@pacifier.com> Hello William, I don't WANT the long distance award. I WANT it to be closer, but if it's going to be over 2000 miles away anyway...... For LotO I had to keep everyone who had a MK III SPRITE from showing just so I could get a plaque. In Portland there's three MK IIIs every year of ABFM! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Telepathy is minding someone else's business. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Dec 21 17:49:57 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com><200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <58814E33C32548B38DC434C9FED79302@blackbox2> Any possibility that BMH will do Bugeye bodies? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" > It is better than that, Lester, in that it is electrostatically primed > with rust-resistant primer, can be finish painted by them, too, is > also available in RWA, can occasionally be special-ordered > fully seam welded for competition use, etc. > OTOH, there are reports of panel alignment issues, although > that might have been only the early copies, the body you get > might have holes that vary a bit from their equivalent on yours, > expects a British steering column rather than the federalized > version (yes, BMH assures me that there is a difference), and > it IS expensive for Spridget parts. Nonetheless, I wish I could > afford one... > David Lieb From p.herder at cox.net Sun Dec 21 17:54:57 2008 From: p.herder at cox.net (Paul Herder) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:54:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <58814E33C32548B38DC434C9FED79302@blackbox2> References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com><200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <58814E33C32548B38DC434C9FED79302@blackbox2> Message-ID: <002c01c963cf$e93e15b0$bbba4110$@herder@cox.net> http://www.sebringsprite.com/bodyshell.htm The only problem is the wait for one. IAW the people selling the Sebring fiberglass, they have 4 on order that have been waiting for over a year for... so far. : ( Paul -----Original Message----- Any possibility that BMH will do Bugeye bodies? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lieb" > It is better than that, Lester, in that it is electrostatically primed > with rust-resistant primer, can be finish painted by them, too, is > also available in RWA, can occasionally be special-ordered > fully seam welded for competition use, etc. > OTOH, there are reports of panel alignment issues, although > that might have been only the early copies, the body you get > might have holes that vary a bit from their equivalent on yours, > expects a British steering column rather than the federalized > version (yes, BMH assures me that there is a difference), and > it IS expensive for Spridget parts. Nonetheless, I wish I could > afford one... > David Lieb From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Dec 21 17:56:53 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:56:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It is better than that, Lester, in that it is electrostatically primed > with rust-resistant primer, can be finish painted by them, too, is > also available in RWA, can occasionally be special-ordered > fully seam welded for competition use, etc. The last I heard, they still didn't make a roadster body. Do they even make a Bugeye? From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 21 20:14:10 2008 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:14:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th In-Reply-To: References: <121920080222.27250.494B054A000B92E200006A7222165514069B9B0E0C9703030103@comcast.net> <275A4943E72C4AE28A939593C6A02A57@HP> Message-ID: Ooooooh Grrrroooooaaaaannnnn... That was Horri bill, I loved it:-) Brian S. Bugeyeracer under resto > From: billmasq at hotmail.com > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:26:20 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > > Now- would that be MikeRowesoft (ware)? > > > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:25:18 -0500 > > From: mdrowe at optonline.net > > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thoughts for the Midget 50th > > > > Does anyone have access to "Traveling Salesman"-type optimization software? > > It might be interesting to see exactly what location minimizes total travel > > of the Spridgets on this list. As I think about it, I might be able to > > figure out how to make Excel do it just using the center of each state for > > the locations, weighted by the number of cars in each state. > > > > Michael Rowe > _________________________________________________________________ Its the same Hotmail.. If by same you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 2008 From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sun Dec 21 22:01:34 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:01:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com><200812191306703.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <58814E33C32548B38DC434C9FED79302@blackbox2> <002c01c963cf$e93e15b0$bbba4110$@herder@cox.net> Message-ID: Well, I guess $5,315.26 US for a Bugeye shell (without bonnet) is'nt that bad. Probably cost a bit to get it shipped here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Herder" To: "'Dean Hedin'" ; "'Spridgets'" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [Spridgets] bent frame rails > http://www.sebringsprite.com/bodyshell.htm > > The only problem is the wait for one. > > IAW the people selling the Sebring fiberglass, they have 4 on order that > have been waiting for over a year for... so far. > > : ( > > Paul From jjj at acsnet.com Sun Dec 21 22:11:26 2008 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:11:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Re,Re,Re, Spridget bent frame rails Message-ID: <3064.66.172.236.65.1229922686.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Since I feel responsible for opening this can of worms about frame rails I would like to put a couple more cent's worth in. Ed, Bud, and Westlake monza make some very good arguments. In hind sight variation in bending that I have noticed was probably all ahead of suspention mounts and due to the car's bottoming out through dips. I,m thinking mainly about a BE that I no longer own that, as I remember, had frame rails resembling runners on a rocking chair. I have 3 spridgets right now and I will have to look them over and check them with a straight edge for my own satisfaction at least but I believe you guy's are right. I just refreshed my memory with J Sprinzell's book and noticed that he said he never had problems with spridgets front suspention's till the tail end of the London to Sydney rally when he had some weld cracking that needed to be repaired. Considering what they had put the car thru I'd say it was strong enough. Thanks for the sport!!! Kurt From jjj at acsnet.com Sun Dec 21 22:47:36 2008 From: jjj at acsnet.com (jjj at acsnet.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:47:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Spridgets] Sridgets (E type) Message-ID: <3248.66.172.236.65.1229924856.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Kirk: Had a 70. Sold it in the late 80's when I thought they were getting too high priced to enjoy. Also afraid I'd lose my licence cause I could'nt keep it under 80. When you talk about that engine and racing I was wondering if anyone remembers the privateer that won the D production championship against the factory team of Datsun Z cars in the last year the E type could run. Road and Track, I believe, did one h*ll of a story on it which I have lost track of. Great stuff for a guy that loves the underdog. I believe the factory and almost everyone else had given up on the engine cause they could'nt make the crank live at the rpm's they had to run to be competetive. These back yard guys solved it with a 454 chev dampner!!! Like to know what I did with that story? Anyway best wishes, Kurt. From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Dec 22 00:17:22 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:17:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank..again Message-ID: <494F3F02.7090702@wi.net> Still blocked but Comcast sent me a message saying they block /all /mail sent from my IP (wi.net). I don't know how to fix that.....ya, ya, I know get a new I.P.; that ain't the point group. Dave From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 22 01:43:42 2008 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:43:42 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Re,Re,Re, Spridget bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <3064.66.172.236.65.1229922686.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: What was amusing about this "thread" was the onslaught of people (me included) who said "the whole world knows that they are supposed to be like that" or something to that effect. Compared to the total absence of people admitting that they too have attempted to correct this "fault". I certainly did during my first re-build, clamping the rails down to some heavy RSJs and trying to flatten out that front curve. The car won! I gave up! I can confirm that it is structurally very strong, even on a rusty shell! Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of jjj at acsnet.com Sent: 22 December 2008 05:11 To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Re,Re,Re, Spridget bent frame rails Since I feel responsible for opening this can of worms about frame rails I would like to put a couple more cent's worth in. Ed, Bud, and Westlake monza make some very good arguments. In hind sight variation in bending that I have noticed was probably all ahead of suspention mounts and due to the car's bottoming out through dips. I,m thinking mainly about a BE that I no longer own that, as I remember, had frame rails resembling runners on a rocking chair. I have 3 spridgets right now and I will have to look them over and check them with a straight edge for my own satisfaction at least but I believe you guy's are right. I just refreshed my memory with J Sprinzell's book and noticed that he said he never had problems with spridgets front suspention's till the tail end of the London to Sydney rally when he had some weld cracking that needed to be repaired. Considering what they had put the car thru I'd say it was strong enough. Thanks for the sport!!! Kurt You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 22 01:48:14 2008 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:48:14 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The 1500 also had a great depth of metal in the front wings (fenders) above the wheel arch to compensate for the raised ride height. If you use wide front tyres then lowering may result in wing to tyre contact on hard cornering. Worth watching for. Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of David Riker Sent: 21 December 2008 22:56 To: Lee Fox; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? Lee: The front spring swap will lower the front end to CB height. Removing the lift blocks from the rear springs will get you part of the way there in the rear, but the RB springs still have more arch to them than the CB springs. To truely get the CB height, you will need to change the rear springs as well. How it will look is your opinion. I think they look good lowered even farther than that. You can do almost another inch lower than CB height and the car will look well planted. If you are replacing the springs anyway, specify 1" lower height rear springs, and you can either use spring pan spacers in the front with the CB springs, or get shorter/stiffer front springs. The handling, under normal driving is not noticably different. You'll feel more difference from all new parts and correct alignment than you will from a change in the ride height. Odds are the negative camber will go away if you replace all of the worn front suspension parts. The main drawback to lowering the car is that you will drag the exhaust pipe over speed bumps more often. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Fox" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? > One of my winter projects is to replace all the suspension bushings, > front and rear, in my 1979 rubber bumper Midget. > > Is there any reason/advantage to lowering the ride height to A-series > specs? > > Will it look stupid? > Will it improve or hurt handling? > > What is involved? > I have a set of front coils from a '69. > I can remove the spacers at the front of the rear leaf springs. > Anything else??? > > I have a negative camber situation in the front that I'm going to try > and fix with offset adjustable trunnion bushings from MiniMania, per > Frank C.'s advice. I think I also will avoid poly bushings elsewhere, as > I've not heard much in their favor, except at the track. You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Mon Dec 22 04:22:57 2008 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:22:57 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank..again In-Reply-To: <494F3F02.7090702@wi.net> References: <494F3F02.7090702@wi.net> Message-ID: <663802B0-44C6-4001-8F3B-F501ADF47E31@phillymgclub.com> If you ask nicely, comcast has a page to request an IP get unblocked. But it needs to be a specific, numeric, IP, not just wi.net. I had to try three times for them to get my phillymgclub.com address unblocked. But they finally did it. Larry On Dec 22, 2008, at 1:17 AM, David Woerpel wrote: > Still blocked but Comcast sent me a message saying they block /all / > mail > sent from my IP (wi.net). I don't know how to fix that.....ya, ya, I > know get a new I.P.; that ain't the point group. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lmacy at phillymgclub.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Board Member at Large Philadelphia MG Club "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well kept body, but to skid in sideways, Margaritas in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!". From abcoz at hky.com Mon Dec 22 07:40:37 2008 From: abcoz at hky.com (Bud Osbourne) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:40:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Sridgets (E type) In-Reply-To: <3248.66.172.236.65.1229924856.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> References: <3248.66.172.236.65.1229924856.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: That was C production, around '81-'82. Freddy Baker was the driver, and the car was campaigned out of a shop in Cleveland, Ohio (Gran Turisimo Jaguar, or something like that). Don't know if it was actually a 454 Chevy harmonic balancer they used, or not (I tend to remember it as something they had made up from their own drawings), but it allowed them to rev that big six reliably. The car raced in the Northeast Division, and I saw it race at Nelson Ledges on many, many occasions. It was an absolute rocket and used to routinely beat all of the B production Corvettes, including that of former A production Nat'l Champion (in a 427 Cobra) Ed Lowther. Bud Osbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:47 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Sridgets (E type) > Kirk: Had a 70. Sold it in the late 80's when I thought they were getting > too high priced to enjoy. Also afraid I'd lose my licence cause I could'nt > keep it under 80. When you talk about that engine and racing I was > wondering if anyone remembers the privateer that won the D production > championship against the factory team of Datsun Z cars in the last year > the E type could run. Road and Track, I believe, did one h*ll of a story > on it which I have lost track of. Great stuff for a guy that loves the > underdog. I believe the factory and almost everyone else had given up on > the engine cause they could'nt make the crank live at the rpm's they had > to run to be competetive. These back yard guys solved it with a 454 chev > dampner!!! Like to know what I did with that story? Anyway best wishes, > Kurt. From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Mon Dec 22 09:21:03 2008 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:21:03 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? Message-ID: <1400101c96451$48eab640$0168010a@mail2world.com> The 1500 front crossmember is welded into the frame an inch lower than the CB, but springs will make up the difference. I put new springs all around mine, and now it's sagging again, so it's nice and lowered. (Luckily, the majority of the drives I have a passenger, so it's sagged evenly.) I did have to roll my fenders using the Loisville slugger method for tire clearance. -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: Guy Weller [guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 12/22/2008 3:49:14 AM To: davriker at nwi.net;lee.fox at sbcglobal.net;spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? The 1500 also had a great depth of metal in the front wings (fenders) above the wheel arch to compensate for the raised ride height. If you use wide front tyres then lowering may result in wing to tyre contact on hard cornering. Worth watching for. Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of David Riker Sent: 21 December 2008 22:56 To: Lee Fox; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? Lee: The front spring swap will lower the front end to CB height. Removing the lift blocks from the rear springs will get you part of the way there in the rear, but the RB springs still have more arch to them than the CB springs. To truely get the CB height, you will need to change the rear springs as well. How it will look is your opinion. I think they look good lowered even farther than that. You can do almost another inch lower than CB height and the car will look well planted. If you are replacing the springs anyway, specify 1" lower height rear springs, and you can either use spring pan spacers in the front with the CB springs, or get shorter/stiffer front springs. The handling, under normal driving is not noticably different. You'll feel more difference from all new parts and correct alignment than you will from a change in the ride height. Odds are the negative camber will go away if you replace all of the worn front suspension parts. The main drawback to lowering the car is that you will drag the exhaust pipe over speed bumps more often. David R. From cclabaw at juno.com Mon Dec 22 09:25:43 2008 From: cclabaw at juno.com (cclabaw at juno.com) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:25:43 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] Frame Bend - Reference to Radiator Message-ID: <20081222.082543.28958.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> ... or perhaps, better and better? Clay L. -- "Kirk Hargreaves" wrote: Actually put there to lean the radiator back a bit. Otherwise, the car would over heat. They discovered this after many tedious hours of study. Looking at it backwards: If the bend in our frames were the result of the car being driven over time, then it would also make sense that their would be a negative change in handling, some cars over time, handling more poorly than others? "Hey, my car has a lot of miles on it over rough roads, and that bend I have been noticing has increased. I can really feel it in the handling - the car gets worse over time, as I notice the bend beginning to get worse and worse." I still go with the radiator, the need to lean the radiator back a few degrees. Kirk 59BE You are subscribed as cclabaw at juno.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 12:07:15 2008 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:07:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame Bend Message-ID: <37dc82d40812221107ha14e1abs6592fb4710b04353@mail.gmail.com> My reference to bending the frame to change the radiator angle was tounge in cheek. Some thought, it appears, that I was serious. I should have qualified my statement as the same thing one would see turning a house to screw a light bulb in place. Kirk From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 12:39:17 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:39:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Frame Bend In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40812221107ha14e1abs6592fb4710b04353@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40812221107ha14e1abs6592fb4710b04353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812221139x65984277q4aafdf1c385f03ed@mail.gmail.com> Parted my hair on the way through, Kirk! Merry Xmas, Jim On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Kirk Hargreaves wrote: > My reference to bending the frame to change the radiator angle was tounge > in > cheek. Some thought, it appears, that I was serious. I should have > qualified my statement as the same thing one would see turning a house to > screw a light bulb in place. Kirk From lbc at littlebitcountry.com Mon Dec 22 15:03:10 2008 From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:03:10 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] For Frank..again In-Reply-To: <494F3F02.7090702@wi.net> References: <494F3F02.7090702@wi.net> Message-ID: <200812222203.mBMM3EIC011948@mail.usimperio.com> Go here http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx and put in the IP of your mail server which is 209.225.111.220 You will see that they are on the black list meaning they probably have an open relay on their mail server and don't know how to fix it. The open relay is used by spammers to bounce emails off the mail server so they are harder to trace back to the originator. At the top of the list you will see "RATS-spam" That is the culprit for the bounced mail. Your emails are probably blocked by a lot of ISP's You might be better off with a Yahoo email address. Dave From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 15:33:47 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:33:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read Message-ID: <849721.19910.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just heard from Rod Hahnemann at Spridgetech that there was a break-in at their shop in Michigan (Redford). Patterns and molds were stolen for various LBC parts, particularly the Bugeye bonnet and MGB parts. If you see or hear anything about these molds or hear of some new supplier who happens to pop up selling fiberglass parts, please contact Rod (spridgetech at ameritech.com). You can also email me, SOAVERO at YAHOO.COM and I'll get you in touch with Rod. Please forward to anyone else you think of who may be able to help. As many of you know, Spridgetech, Rod Hahnemann and Dave Craddock of Spridgetech/Preform Resources are top-notch race part fabricators and suppliers, and also happen to be two of the nicest guys involved in this hobby. Rod in particular has saved my bacon and gotten me to the track more times than he'd probably care to remember. Thanks, Ron From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Dec 22 15:37:04 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:37:04 EST Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails Message-ID: Wheeler and Davies used too - I guess they used some heritage panels for the core. In a message dated 22/12/2008 00:50:13 GMT Standard Time, dlh2001 at comcast.net writes: Any possibility that BMH will do Bugeye bodies? From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Mon Dec 22 15:38:40 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:38:40 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] too many LBCs for me Message-ID: <7588CCC4AA6D4193BF34DF698A713358@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> My wife very graciously green-lighted the aquisition and restoration of a fourth family LBC with the Morris truck that is nearing completion. It brings our total to four and overfills the garage. Now, when I can least afford it, I just got a phone call from a local LBC guy putting me in touch with a 75-year-old widow whose husband accumulated two MGAs and a bugeye. The city of Sacramento is forcing her to get rid of the MGA that sits outside and she wants it to go to a "good home" where it won't be "hot-rodded"(her words). She will be getting rid of the other garaged MGA as well and hopes to find a mechanic to get her bugeye up and running. I'll be stopping by in a few days to check out her cars and see what can be done with the bugeye. If there is ANYONE on the list lusting for a rebuildable MGA, e-mail me and I'll put you in touch with her. Much as I'd like to take it and store it for later, this just isn't the right year to get another. My feeling talking to her is that she is aware of their value and yet isn't interest in big e-bay money for the car. More to follow after I actually see them. Man its tough out here on the left coast, lightly rusted LBC shells everywhere you look and not enough room to store them. Must be easier on the east coast where you can just fold up the new aquisition and put it in a bag to go. Glen From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:54:43 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:54:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] too many LBCs for me In-Reply-To: <7588CCC4AA6D4193BF34DF698A713358@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <7588CCC4AA6D4193BF34DF698A713358@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812221454y687c5124i4124e0793a48f6e8@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Glen Byrns wrote: > > Man its tough out here on the left > coast, lightly rusted LBC shells everywhere you look and not enough room to > store them. > Yer breakin' my heart Glen. There is still a 66 Midget here in town and I bet the guy would part with it for a coupla C notes. Tub is excellent (Arizona car) - mechanics & 1098 condition unknown. Now that gas locally is $1.65 per gal it may be worth hauling this one off.... I'd take it but like Glen I've got no place to put it NFI....etc. http://www.flickr.com/photos/13600244 at N07/sets/72157602999249000/ -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Mon Dec 22 16:47:15 2008 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:47:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Fw: Re: Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? Message-ID: <084c01c9648f$9e763e20$116a010a@mail2world.com> my messages seem to not be getting to the list.... Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> From: Chris King [cbking at alum.rpi.edu] Sent: 12/22/2008 11:22:03 AM To: guy.weller at tiscali.co.ukspridgets@autox.team.net;davriker at nwi.net;lee.fo x at sbcglobal.net;spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? The 1500 front crossmember is welded into the frame an inch lower than the CB, but springs will make up the difference. I put new springs all around mine, and now it's sagging again, so it's nice and lowered. (Luckily, the majority of the drives I have a passenger, so it's sagged evenly.) I did have to roll my fenders using the Loisville slugger method for tire clearance. -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ From: Guy Weller [guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 12/22/2008 3:49:14 AM To: davriker at nwi.net;lee.fox at sbcglobal.net;spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? The 1500 also had a great depth of metal in the front wings (fenders) above the wheel arch to compensate for the raised ride height. If you use wide front tyres then lowering may result in wing to tyre contact on hard cornering. Worth watching for. Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of David Riker Sent: 21 December 2008 22:56 To: Lee Fox; spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Lowering a rubber bumper 1500? Lee: The front spring swap will lower the front end to CB height. Removing the lift blocks from the rear springs will get you part of the way there in the rear, but the RB springs still have more arch to them than the CB springs. To truely get the CB height, you will need to change the rear springs as well. How it will look is your opinion. I think they look good lowered even farther than that. You can do almost another inch lower than CB height and the car will look well planted. If you are replacing the springs anyway, specify 1" lower height rear springs, and you can either use spring pan spacers in the front with the CB springs, or get shorter/stiffer front springs. The handling, under normal driving is not noticably different. You'll feel more difference from all new parts and correct alignment than you will from a change in the ride height. Odds are the negative camber will go away if you replace all of the worn front suspension parts. The main drawback to lowering the car is that you will drag the exhaust pipe over speed bumps more often. David R. From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Dec 22 17:32:52 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:32:52 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: <849721.19910.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <849721.19910.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495031B4.3060904@wi.net> Bat Rastards!! They probably stole all the copper pipe too. We need to watch Ebay and Craigs. Check the local listings. Patterns and molds, eh? So that's how they copy our parts for those overseas manufacturers. Sorry, my bad. Dave Burlington WI Ron Soave wrote: > I just heard from Rod Hahnemann at Spridgetech that there was a break-in at their shop in Michigan (Redford). Patterns and molds were stolen for various LBC parts, particularly the Bugeye bonnet and MGB parts. If you see or hear anything about these molds or hear of some new supplier who happens to pop up selling fiberglass parts, please contact Rod (spridgetech at ameritech.com). You can also email me, SOAVERO at YAHOO.COM and I'll get you in touch > Thanks, > Ron From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon Dec 22 17:55:23 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:55:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] How to have fun in the snow! Message-ID: <495036FB.7070901@wi.net> I found a great way to have fun in the winter with my MINI! HAPPY HOLIDAYS all!! http://www.miniusa.com/crm/ecard_holiday_2008/MyCard?pid=1003841&check=12QMZJEZYK2Z2N2G From shop at justbrits.com Mon Dec 22 18:56:31 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:56:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: <849721.19910.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anything wrong with calling Mich. State Police FIRST, 'Hopper ?? From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 19:15:12 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:15:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <825135.78898.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, The police will do their part. My post is not a replacement for that. However, I don't expect that the Michigan state police will be watching swap meets, ebay, craigslist and race car parts sites for Bugeye bonnets while many on this list will, so please keep an eye out for suspicious newcomers. Ron --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Ed's Shop wrote: > From: Ed's Shop > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read > To: "Spridgets" , team-thicko at autox.team.net > Cc: spridgetech at ameritech.net > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 7:56 PM > Anything wrong with calling Mich. State Police FIRST, > 'Hopper ?? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Dec 22 19:33:42 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:33:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] too many LBCs for me In-Reply-To: <7588CCC4AA6D4193BF34DF698A713358@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> References: <7588CCC4AA6D4193BF34DF698A713358@vgl.cvg.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <49504E06.1080507@comcast.net> Glen Byrns wrote: > Man its tough out here on the left > coast, lightly rusted LBC shells everywhere you look and not enough room to > store them. Must be easier on the east coast where you can just fold up the > new aquisition and put it in a bag to go. > > Glen you are just a barrel of laughs. Poor baby, no place to store non rusty LBCs. Damn, I guess I am especially lucky that I can just sweep them up and put them in a tuna can for later restoration. BUT, Our cars weigh a whole lot less then anything you find out there after we sweep up 1000 lbs of rust dust. ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 19:40:13 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:40:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: <825135.78898.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <825135.78898.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812221840i1b20ece6se1bd9b2968fb86c3@mail.gmail.com> Six years ago I had about $6K worth of tools stolen from my garage. A lot of them special tools for antique BMW motorcycles and completely irreplaceable. The police were most helpful. Their shrugs of indifference and $1.25 got me a hot cup of coffee. The police are useless in a theft case. Unless its a car theft or a bank robbery they won't even take fingerprints or send a detective by. In most cases they don't even file a crime report - only a blotter report which is gone in a matter of days. If you want to feel totally F*d, call the police. Just my $.02 Cheers!! Jim On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Ron Soave wrote: > Ed, > > The police will do their part. My post is not a replacement for that. > However, I don't expect that the Michigan state police will be watching swap > meets, ebay, craigslist and race car parts sites for Bugeye bonnets while > many on this list will, so please keep an eye out for suspicious newcomers. > > Ron > > > --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Ed's Shop wrote: > > > From: Ed's Shop > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read > > To: "Spridgets" , team-thicko at autox.team.net > > Cc: spridgetech at ameritech.net > > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 7:56 PM > > Anything wrong with calling Mich. State Police FIRST, > > 'Hopper ?? > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 22 21:21:00 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:21:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read References: <849721.19910.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E2D1B6AC0424C0597E29A7DCCEDF398@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridgets" ; Cc: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read I just heard from Rod Hahnemann at Spridgetech that there was a break-in at their shop in Michigan (Redford). Patterns and molds were stolen for various LBC parts, particularly the Bugeye bonnet and MGB parts. If you see or hear anything about these molds or hear of some new supplier who happens to pop up selling fiberglass parts, please contact Rod (spridgetech at ameritech.com). You can also email me, SOAVERO at YAHOO.COM and I'll get you in touch with Rod. Please forward to anyone else you think of who may be able to help. As many of you know, Spridgetech, Rod Hahnemann and Dave Craddock of Spridgetech/Preform Resources are top-notch race part fabricators and suppliers, and also happen to be two of the nicest guys involved in this hobby. Rod in particular has saved my bacon and gotten me to the track more times than he'd probably care to remember. Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Might I add that I bought some fiberglass pieces from Rod a couple years ago. We met in IL to swap parts for cash when Rod told me that a couple of the pieces didn't come out as well as he had hoped. He wouldn't take any money for them. Now, when a guy is that straight up with his customers and potential customers, he deserves attention from us. If you value good suppliers in this day of cheap junk that you get from most suppliers, do him right and look out for him like he looks out for us. Larry Daniels From derf247 at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 21:24:03 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:24:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812221840i1b20ece6se1bd9b2968fb86c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <825135.78898.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43840a7e0812221840i1b20ece6se1bd9b2968fb86c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812222024q3a6f5351kfbb2139b7cb10a2e@mail.gmail.com> A while back someone broke into the Miata. Actually all they did was reach in through the unlocked door and pop the trunk. They left the trunk lid open. They didn't take anything. The 20something deputy sheriff that showed up was polite, professional, and proceeded to take fingerprints with a kit he pulled from the trunk of the cruiser. We got a call a few days later telling us that they had a suspect in custody for the several cars that were burglarized in the area and for a stolen car that was found abandoned nearby. Not a bad showing for the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office, if you ask me. I've had things stolen before, including a car. A 12g rock salt load applied to the rear of a thief would really be satisfying sometimes. From dlh2001 at comcast.net Mon Dec 22 21:50:12 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:50:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Sridgets (E type) References: <3248.66.172.236.65.1229924856.squirrel@www.acsnet.com> Message-ID: If you mean the V-12 then it's the group 44 car in 74-75 and it was B-production. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Spridgets] Sridgets (E type) > When you talk about that engine and racing I was > wondering if anyone remembers the privateer that won the D production > championship against the factory team of Datsun Z cars in the last year > the E type could run. Road and Track, I believe, did one h*ll of a story > on it which I have lost track of. From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 08:33:48 2008 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster)) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:33:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812221840i1b20ece6se1bd9b2968fb86c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <825135.78898.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43840a7e0812221840i1b20ece6se1bd9b2968fb86c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c0812230733n7fceadfcy1a5580425f85a2f9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Jim Johnson wrote: > a hot cup of coffee. The police are useless in a theft case. Unless its a > car theft or a bank robbery they won't even take fingerprints or send a > detective by. In most cases they don't even file a crime report - only a > blotter report which is gone in a matter of days. If you want to feel > totally F*d, call the police. Unfortunately my one break-in experience mirrors Jim's. We'd moved to a newer home and was finishing some remodelling on the old home before putting it up for sale. The back door had a broken window pane and there were several VERY clear bloody fingerprints on the door and jamb. The police were not at all interested in the prints ... or anything else for that matter. My alert neighbor noticed when they returned a couple days later and we caught them in the basement. Fortunately the police managed to show up promptly after my neighbor's call and took them into custody before we could "educate" them about respecting other's property. From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Dec 23 08:40:53 2008 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:40:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: <8de85a9c0812230733n7fceadfcy1a5580425f85a2f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <825135.78898.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43840a7e0812221840i1b20ece6se1bd9b2968fb86c3@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c0812230733n7fceadfcy1a5580425f85a2f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is always hard. A lot depends on who's having a good day, and how busy the system is. We all want to believe the system works, then something like this happens. ...bill ============================================================== Unfortunately my one break-in experience mirrors Jim's. We'd moved to a newer home and was finishing some remodelling on the old home before putting it up for sale. The back door had a broken window pane and there were several VERY clear bloody fingerprints on the door and jamb. The police were not at all interested in the prints ... or anything else for that matter. My alert neighbor noticed when they returned a couple days later and we caught them in the basement. Fortunately the police managed to show up promptly after my neighbor's call and took them into custody before we could "educate" them about respecting other's property. _______________________________________________ From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Dec 23 09:27:12 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:27:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual Message-ID: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> An engine guy has recommended that I find an original factory repair manual, which he said contains more details than alternatives and lots of large pictures. How can I recognize that manual among the various others available - author, publisher, etc.? Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From sliclass at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 09:34:32 2008 From: sliclass at gmail.com (WBM imap) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:34:32 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> References: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> Message-ID: <49511318.8010704@gmail.com> Mine says: The Complete Official Sprite/Midget, comprising the official driver's handbook, workshop manual, special tuning manual. Robert Bentley, Inc. The Bentley Manual IS the official manual. Regards, Bill Michael Rowe wrote: An engine guy has recommended that I find an original factory repair manual, wh ich he said contains more details than alternatives and lots of large pictures. How can I recognize that manual among the various others available - author, publisher, etc.? Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY You are subscribed as wbmcleod at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From corvallis at peoplepc.com Tue Dec 23 09:38:12 2008 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:38:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> References: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> Message-ID: <88781B1CA7374F8786B7B2BCEA2665F7@spider> I have found that several after-market publications to be better, and cheaper, than one factory manual ...and this site. ...bill in oregon ================================================ -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Rowe Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:27 AM To: Spridgets List Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual An engine guy has recommended that I find an original factory repair manual, which he said contains more details than alternatives and lots of large pictures. How can I recognize that manual among the various others available - author, publisher, etc.? Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY _______________________________________________ From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Dec 23 09:40:06 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: <49511318.8010704@gmail.com> References: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> <49511318.8010704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <412827524.20081223084006@pacifier.com> Hello WBM, Oh, there IS another workshop manual that is more detailed. The Bentley is NOT the COMPLETE factory workshop manaul. .. ! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "I've lost my gold mine!" Tom exclaimed. (*2) From tinydog at snet.net Tue Dec 23 09:45:38 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:45:38 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: <49511318.8010704@gmail.com> References: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> <49511318.8010704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <122320081645.21710.495115B1000DF0D3000054CE22243429029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog googled: http://www.englishparts.com/products/Austin-Healey/1971/Square-Body-Sprite/FA CTORY-WORKSHOP-MANUAL-REPRINT/3804667/3309/212-475.html http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OFFICIAL-LEYLAND-HEALEY-SPRITE-MG-MIDGET-REPAI R-MANUAL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1234Q7c66Q3a4Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c 240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a200QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZit em350143016585QQitemZ350143016585QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessor ies http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AUSTIN-HEALEY-SPRITE-BUGEYE-MK1-WORKSHOP-MANUA L_W0QQitemZ120343910999QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Manuals_Literature?hash=item 120343910999&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C24 0%3A1318 On the cover or title pages is usually printed: "Factory" or "Original BMC Publication" Woof Woof and a Merry Christmas > Michael Rowe wrote: > > An engine guy has recommended that I find an original factory repair manual, wh > ich he said contains more details than alternatives and lots of large pictures. > How can I recognize that manual among the various others available - author, > publisher, etc.? From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 23 10:48:47 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: <49511318.8010704@gmail.com> Message-ID: I told you about getting "correct" manual(s) a while back Michael, which you promptly IGNORED. Had you listened, you would already have had a Bentley AND a Service Parts Manual. From sliclass at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 10:59:45 2008 From: sliclass at gmail.com (WBM imap) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:59:45 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Spridget Factory workshop manual Message-ID: <49512711.1040506@gmail.com> I stand corrected (several times!), although in my own defense, my Bentley (through the 1098) says "copyright BMC". Googling "MG Midget Factory Workshop Manual " brought up several sources. Back to lurking.... Bill Slightly Classics From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 23 12:03:57 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:03:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual References: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home><49511318.8010704@gmail.com> <122320081645.21710.495115B1000DF0D3000054CE22243429029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: <0016E8DED86E44F4842E10A4ADE16154@Larry> This reminds me... I have a copy of the Sprite Series AN5 factory manual with the blue vinyl loose-leaf notebook cover. However, mine is missing the first few pages. It starts with page "General Data 3". I must be missing at least the first two pages of this section. Was there anything else before that? Does anybody have a copy of the missing pages that they can copy and send to me? Thanks. LAD From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Dec 23 12:59:12 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:59:12 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: References: <825135.78898.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><43840a7e0812221840i1b20ece6se1bd9b2968fb86c3@mail.gmail.com> <8de85a9c0812230733n7fceadfcy1a5580425f85a2f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49514310.6070708@frontiernet.net> Our local deputies believe in creative enforcement. While on patrol, a deputy caught two teenagers vandalizing a car at 2AM. The first thing he made them do, was apologize to the car owner, next they had to completely wash the car, by hand, in 35 degree weather, next he took them home and woke up their parents and advised them that it had best not happen again. Kate corvallis at peoplepc.com wrote: > This is always hard. A lot depends on who's having a good day, and how busy > the system is. From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 14:05:41 2008 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster)) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:05:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: <412827524.20081223084006@pacifier.com> References: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home> <49511318.8010704@gmail.com> <412827524.20081223084006@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <8de85a9c0812231305h3d1cde69p3d7a7e42ae0bcb68@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Bill L wrote: > Hello WBM, > > Oh, there IS another workshop manual that is more detailed. And THAT manual would be ___??___? From kgb at frontiernet.net Tue Dec 23 14:13:14 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:13:14 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC Message-ID: <4951546A.2070204@frontiernet.net> Does anyone have an Edelbrock carb suitable for a big block Chevy that they would like to sell? Kate "Hazel" 1976 C30 From bugeye15 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 23 14:33:41 2008 From: bugeye15 at hotmail.com (brian S) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Awesome find Trevor, Thanks for posting the link and clearing up some cunfusion. Brian S. Bugeyeracer under resto ps, Tho I still like the idea of them being bent for Rad cooling. > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:43:02 -0500 > From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails > > Take a look through these pictures: > > http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/BritishMotorHeritage-Midget.htm > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > > What is likely to be most valid statement - that made by the world's experts > > who reside on this list or a book somebody wrote? It's also the case that > > people that write books consult the worlds experts on this list. > > > > If the list is UNANIMOUS about anything then it's fact. > > > > Or get the rails straightend and tell us what the car drives like... > > > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > > > In a message dated 19/12/2008 18:13:31 GMT Standard Time, bvsprite at yahoo.com > > writes: > > > > see that 'everyone' so far is saying the rails are supposed to be bent, > > however, nowhere, can I find any real documentation supporting this > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bugeye15 at hotmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _________________________________________________________________ Its the same Hotmail.. If by same you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 2008 From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 14:37:27 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:37:27 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812231337v7ff263eaod1f807751969a8d9@mail.gmail.com> I heard that the angled radiator maximizes the ground effects of the car and that's why they bent the frame... ;-) A side benefit is that radio reception is better and it reduces oversteer.... Cheers!! Jim On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:33 PM, brian S wrote: > Awesome find Trevor, > Thanks for posting the link and clearing up some cunfusion. > > Brian S. > > Bugeyeracer under resto > > ps, Tho I still like the idea of them being bent for Rad cooling. > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:43:02 -0500 > > From: trevor.jessie at gmail.com > > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] bent frame rails > > > > Take a look through these pictures: > > > > http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/BritishMotorHeritage-Midget.htm > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > > > What is likely to be most valid statement - that made by the world's > experts > > > who reside on this list or a book somebody wrote? It's also the case > that > > > people that write books consult the worlds experts on this list. > > > > > > If the list is UNANIMOUS about anything then it's fact. > > > > > > Or get the rails straightend and tell us what the car drives like... > > > > > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > > > > > In a message dated 19/12/2008 18:13:31 GMT Standard Time, > bvsprite at yahoo.com > > > writes: > > > > > > see that 'everyone' so far is saying the rails are supposed to be > bent, > > > however, nowhere, can I find any real documentation supporting this > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as bugeye15 at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > > _________________________________________________________________ > It s the same Hotmail.. If by same you mean up to 70% faster. > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 > 2008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Tue Dec 23 15:13:30 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:13:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC References: <4951546A.2070204@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone have an Edelbrock carb suitable for a big block Chevy that > they would like to sell? Of course not. They should make their peace with the Rochester Quadrajet. From pythias at pacifier.com Tue Dec 23 15:24:28 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:24:28 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] bent frame rails In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812231337v7ff263eaod1f807751969a8d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c1781040812191243k483299f4o1715e0133d8c3d58@mail.gmail.com> <43840a7e0812231337v7ff263eaod1f807751969a8d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <408010596.20081223142428@pacifier.com> Hello Jim, According to exhaustive (man am i tired of lookin' at this stuff) research, the ground effects were MOST beneficial to the BE's. Square bodies do get some, just not as much. There was a bunch of stuff about the airflow under and over the bonnet and then the difference in plenum at the back in being interfered with by the full length of the later springs and the reinforcement necessary for same. Thus more reduced oversteer for the BE's as well. Funny how a simple change of hood configuration NECESSITATED the changes at the rear to maintain a handling balance. The radio impovement was serendiptious, at least according to my research. The engineers were as surprised as anyone else when at the increased range and clarity of the signal in the car compared with the prototypes. -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" The seminar on Time Travel will be held two weeks ago. From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 15:40:35 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:40:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC In-Reply-To: References: <4951546A.2070204@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812231440h308abe1eqeaea37fa6937b48e@mail.gmail.com> They should get one of those new Edelbrocks that looks and works like a Carter AFB. Unless the motor is supercharged, then use a Holley or two. Qjets should be banned from use for being a pain in every aspect of carburetion. > > Of course not. They should make their peace with the Rochester Quadrajet. From kk7ss at verizon.net Tue Dec 23 17:23:52 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:23:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) Message-ID: <49511098.3442.1BC240C@kk7ss.verizon.net> I must be living backwards... I'm seeing the answers before I'm seeing the questions... I wonder if there's a patent pending for that ?? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Tue Dec 23 18:42:50 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:42:50 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812231440h308abe1eqeaea37fa6937b48e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > new Edelbrocks that looks and works like > a Carter AFB. They ARE AFB's. They also have Weber cast into the side. They're good carbs, but it's hard to find one small enough. Goobers who are into muscle cars like big numbers. I don't think Edelbrock makes anything smaller than 600cfm, and those are difficult to find. I went through this when I rebuilt the Ranchero. I settled on a NOS Carter 500cfm. That's more than enough for a 289 with a street cam. I think you can also find a plastic velocity stub stack for about $300. BZ From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 23 18:56:13 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:56:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: <0016E8DED86E44F4842E10A4ADE16154@Larry> Message-ID: <> And when somebody does volunteer, be SURE to use LEGAL (8.5" x 14")!!!!! LAD can 'trim'!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 23 18:57:57 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:57:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Absolutely, David !!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 23 19:02:37 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:02:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812231440h308abe1eqeaea37fa6937b48e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> AGREED, derf !!! <> HOWEVER, B.S. !!!! EQUAL & GREAT results with BOTH over the last 35 years of El Caminos!!!! From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 23 19:05:03 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:05:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <49511098.3442.1BC240C@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <> ODD since you are in the Continental 48 BUY your ARE in WA so I suppose it's VERY possible, Dave !!! LMAO tho !! From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 23 19:52:40 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:52:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual References: <3A467EB2141B4FDD88512F64190A362B@Home><49511318.8010704@gmail.com><122320081645.21710.495115B1000DF0D3000054CE22243429029B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <0016E8DED86E44F4842E10A4ADE16154@Larry> Message-ID: Thank you to all who offered to send copies of the factory manual. I have received all missing pages from Biff Jones and printed them out. Thanks to Biff and everyone else who offered to send them. You guys are great. Merry Christmas, everybody. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Spridgets List" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Factory manual This reminds me... I have a copy of the Sprite Series AN5 factory manual with the blue vinyl loose-leaf notebook cover. However, mine is missing the first few pages. It starts with page "General Data 3". I must be missing at least the first two pages of this section. Was there anything else before that? Does anybody have a copy of the missing pages that they can copy and send to me? Thanks. LAD From davriker at nwi.net Tue Dec 23 19:58:54 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC References: Message-ID: <335C8E357C7B43E88BF45CBB1E6C82A0@MAIN> Edelbrock makes a Performer Series Carb in a 500 cfm which should be ideal for stock small block Chevrolets. My friend used one one his Rover engine and it was very well matched for that application. It is less expensive however to buy a reconditioned 650 cfm Edelbrock from Summit Racing. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: "derf" ; "David Lieb" Cc: "Spridget List" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC >> new Edelbrocks that looks and works like >> a Carter AFB. > They ARE AFB's. They also have Weber cast into the side. > They're good carbs, but it's hard to find one small enough. Goobers who > are > into muscle cars like big numbers. I don't think Edelbrock makes anything > smaller than 600cfm, and those are difficult to find. I went through this > when I rebuilt the Ranchero. I settled on a NOS Carter 500cfm. That's more > than enough for a 289 with a street cam. > I think you can also find a plastic velocity stub stack for about $300. > BZ From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Tue Dec 23 20:09:38 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:09:38 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC References: Message-ID: > < carburetion.>> > HOWEVER, B.S. !!!! > EQUAL & GREAT results with BOTH over the last 35 years of El > Caminos!!!! I hate to have to agree with Ed, but he is right. QJets are a bit different, but VERY versatile and quite potent. Why the heck do you think FORD used them on the 427 CobraJet? Those tiny primaries give great throttle response and good economy when you are behaving yourself and keeping your foot out of it. When you do put your foot down, those vacuum-actuated secondaries (don't forget that SU carbs are also vacuum-actuated) kick in just exactly as much as required and feed those horses the stuff they need. Properly tuned they are much better than most Holleys. Hotrodders simply hate to use a stock carb. QJets can be adapted to anything from 200CID up to 500CID with a few jets and a handful of needles (sound familiar?). David Lieb From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 23 20:48:08 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:48:08 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<...good economy when you are behaving yourself and keeping your foot out of it.>> Which is EXTREMELY hard to do with just shy of 600hp at rear wheels, David!! Er, the REALLY hard part is visiting the gas station quite often!! Merry Christmas to all !!!! Ed From bkitterer at mac.com Tue Dec 23 21:12:00 2008 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:12:00 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Factory manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why? My manual is printed on 8.5 X 11 paper ! ! Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > < that they can copy and send to me?>> > > And when somebody does volunteer, > be SURE to use LEGAL (8.5" x 14")!!!!! > > LAD can 'trim'!! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dlh2001 at comcast.net Tue Dec 23 21:28:12 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:28:12 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: <49511098.3442.1BC240C@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <6B5B6CB471644082999C3A5320EA9028@blackbox2> Unfortunately goverment has exclusive rights on this technique. Like bailing out banks and automakers without really investigating things... They also have locked down the "No questions asked" method. Like giving the banks a couple cuzillion and don't even ask them where it's going. >I must be living backwards... > I'm seeing the answers before I'm seeing the questions... > > I wonder if there's a patent pending for that ?? From derf247 at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 21:37:59 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:37:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f00d9910812232037h45e737d2m154faf10fe81e0e3@mail.gmail.com> I don't think there was a 427 Cobra Jet. That was the 70-71 429 Cobra Jet. The 427, SOHC, Side oiler, etc. didn't use Qjets. The 429 is a sister to the 460, IIRC. My guess is they used it for a year and figured they didn't like it. I rebuilt/tuned a few. I just don't like them. I might like them if there weren't better options. I rebuilt a 75 Trans Am for a friend and it turned out good. The Qjet did just fine on that Pontiac 400. On my Mustangs I was in the minority with my Carter back in the day. I ran a few Holleys, too. Those three barrel Holleys are cool. > I hate to have to agree with Ed, but he is right. QJets are a bit different, > but VERY versatile and quite potent. Why the heck do you think FORD used > them on the 427 CobraJet? Those tiny primaries give great throttle response From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Dec 24 00:47:06 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:47:06 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Police no LBCRe: THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read Message-ID: I found the police at SPA in Belgium very helpful in writing a short police report for me (for my insurance claim) stating I had left the family suitcase on the train (which went on to Germany). 'Course I couldn't read the typed note (it was in French) but it must have been good because the insurance paid up. Some dumb *uc* in England ..... In a message dated 23/12/2008 02:40:26 GMT Standard Time, bmwwxman at gmail.com writes: years ago From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 04:07:10 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:07:10 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Need Carb - No LBC In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812232037h45e737d2m154faf10fe81e0e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f00d9910812232037h45e737d2m154faf10fe81e0e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a Q-jet on my 68 GTO. Yeah, I don't know how to work on it, and have to defer to someone else for help. I DID try a Holley 600 AFB on it back in the early 80's, and HATED it. The car ran like crap. I sold the Holley, and bought a new Q-jet. The car ran so much better. Brad On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:37 PM, derf wrote: > I don't think there was a 427 Cobra Jet. That was the 70-71 429 Cobra > Jet. The 427, SOHC, Side oiler, etc. didn't use Qjets. The 429 is a > sister to the 460, IIRC. > My guess is they used it for a year and figured they didn't like it. > I rebuilt/tuned a few. I just don't like them. I might like them if > there weren't better options. > I rebuilt a 75 Trans Am for a friend and it turned out good. The Qjet > did just fine on that Pontiac 400. > On my Mustangs I was in the minority with my Carter back in the day. > I ran a few Holleys, too. Those three barrel Holleys are cool. > > > I hate to have to agree with Ed, but he is right. QJets are a bit > different, > > but VERY versatile and quite potent. Why the heck do you think FORD used > > them on the 427 CobraJet? Those tiny primaries give great throttle > response > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From robertduquette at sympatico.ca Wed Dec 24 06:28:04 2008 From: robertduquette at sympatico.ca (Robert Duquette) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:28:04 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Video from Santa - NO LBC Message-ID: For those of you out there with kids, you can make a personalized video from Santa: http://PortableNorthPole.sympatico.msn.ca From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 06:41:31 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:41:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Police no LBCRe: THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <706172.15026.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/24/08, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: "Some dumb *uc* in England ....." Dumb luck in England? That must be what you meant, since buck, duck, duct, much, muck, ouch, puck, such, suck, tuck and yuck make no sense... :-) Merry Christmas, - David From cathe125 at suddenlink.net Wed Dec 24 07:06:39 2008 From: cathe125 at suddenlink.net (cathey speichinger) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:06:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? Message-ID: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends here :OP? I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. Thanks, Cathey From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 07:48:28 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:48:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Message-ID: <324899.99667.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't think you can go wrong these days. I work with a lot of private and professional pilots as well as a few extreme outdoors types and they swear by Garmin. I have one for my car, I've used the TomTom and I personally have found no real difference for domestic business travel where I rely upon the GPS to find me restaurants hotels, etc. The TomTom has funnier voices to use for turn-by-turn features, which is cute the first time. You don't have to spend much at all to get a good one with lots of features. I am told, however, that the Garmin's map base and useability (is that a word?) is better if you travel a lot in South America or Africa (I did for a while, and the Garmin was OK). I personally do not find the larger screens to be of much benefit, but I do like Bluetooth, which is on pretty much all of them at this point anyway. I try not to use my cell when driving, but having Bluetooth on the GPS is really handy when you need to talk to someone at your destination. YMMV, Ron --- On Wed, 12/24/08, cathey speichinger wrote: > From: cathey speichinger > Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? > To: "'Spridgets'" > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 8:06 AM > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with > all our friends > here :OP? > > I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions > to decide. > > Please send me the pros and conns of each different one > that you have > experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. > > Thanks, Cathey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as soavero at yahoo.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 24 08:10:21 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:10:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? References: <324899.99667.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9F81C35361634DBD9FD81D3F9204C1C8@NilesAD.von.gov> I do not have a GPS. I have used them on trips and have a number of droll anecdotes I could relate, but, in the spirit of Christmas, I will spare you. I work hard at avoiding that temptation because I enjoy using maps and knowing a bit more about where I am than "I am following the instructions, so I can't be lost". They are wonderful gadgets and VERY useful. Trish has a little handheld GPS we use for geocaching. Having said all that, make sure you understand the process and costs of renewing the maps in the unit as a part of the selection process. At one time this varied greatly among the various suppliers. David Lieb From tequila.brad at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 08:33:11 2008 From: tequila.brad at gmail.com (Brad Fornal) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:33:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Cathey!! I was just discussing this last Friday with a sales rep that has a Magellan. With all the traveling that these outside sales reps do, the general consensus was (as I was told) that Tom Tom is the worst. Then Magellan, with Garmin getting the best overall recommendation. It would be best to keep your original packaging for a few weeks, so if you have any issues, you can return it. FWIW, my brother and his wife came down to Galveston last year for a vacation with us. His wife and Martha left the beach house, and headed to town for beer (damn drunks, it WASN'T for me!! LOL) Their GPS lead them right to a cemetery. I'll have to ask them Saturday what brand they have. Get Leo to call me early next week, and I'll let ya know what it was. Merry Christmas to you, Leo, and the beautiful Iris. Brad On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:06 AM, cathey speichinger wrote: > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends > here :OP? > > I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. > > Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have > experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. > > Thanks, Cathey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tequila.brad at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- DON JULIO 1942 www.myspace.com/tequilabrad From peter at nosimport.com Wed Dec 24 08:38:42 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:38:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Message-ID: <200812240738902.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Be sure to get the POSITIVE ground model. ED == At 09:33 AM 12/24/2008, Brad Fornal wrote: >Hi Cathey!! I was just discussing this last Friday with a sales rep that has >a Magellan. SNIP >Merry Christmas to you, Leo, and the beautiful Iris. > > >Brad > >On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:06 AM, cathey speichinger > wrote: > > > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends > > here :OP? ============== From mhagopian at hoppetool.com Wed Dec 24 09:28:42 2008 From: mhagopian at hoppetool.com (Matt Hagopian) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:28:42 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <200812240738902.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> <200812240738902.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <87a1f55d0812240828w47ea6c8bp15cdc87fc2571610@mail.gmail.com> Garmin is the way to go, buy one with Text to Speech. The great thing about garmin is they come with FREE map updates for life. No other GPS has that available. and its really reliable On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Be sure to get the POSITIVE ground model. > > ED > == > At 09:33 AM 12/24/2008, Brad Fornal wrote: > >> Hi Cathey!! I was just discussing this last Friday with a sales rep that >> has >> a Magellan. >> > > SNIP > > Merry Christmas to you, Leo, and the beautiful Iris. >> >> >> Brad >> >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:06 AM, cathey speichinger < >> cathe125 at suddenlink.net >> > wrote: >> >> > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our >> friends >> > here :OP? >> > ============== _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mhagopian at hoppetool.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Sincerely, Matt Hagopian From wolf.brent at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 10:01:41 2008 From: wolf.brent at gmail.com (Brent Wolf) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Video from Santa - NO LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62b83300812240901ied03617y97020250e57d91bf@mail.gmail.com> Fantastic. Thank you, my 3 year old loves the video she recieved. Merry Christmas On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Robert Duquette < robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote: > For those of you out there with kids, you can make a personalized video > from Santa: > > http://PortableNorthPole.sympatico.msn.ca > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wolf.brent at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Dec 24 10:04:21 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:04:21 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Police no LBCRe: THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read Message-ID: The one which fits a person who left the family suitcase for a weekend break in Belgium onthe train. It was not my wife and we never did get the case back. In a message dated 24/12/2008 13:41:41 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: Dumb luck in England? That must be what you meant, since buck, duck, duct, much, muck, ouch, puck, such, suck, tuck and yuck make no sense... :-) Merry Christmas, - David From wmgilroy at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 11:46:32 2008 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (William M. Gilroy) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:46:32 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Message-ID: <49528388.9080706@gmail.com> I have had a TomTom for 3 years. It works fine. Someone just sent me a Garmin Nuvi 200. I am planning to run them side by side and see which one is better. The Garmin just got here yesterday. I think for point to point navigation when you have an address any unit will be fine. It sometimes seems to me that the TomTom has less POIs then the Garmin, but I might be wrong, I just took a quick look at the Garmin. I use that feature lots to find places to eat and bars since I am sort of new to Seattle. Check back in about 3 months and I will know more. All units will have minor problems where the maps are wrong or incomplete, but most of the time that is not an issue. I have found that sometimes that I can choose a better route in Seattle based on the time of day and traffic. What is nice when I ignore the GPS route it will select a different route. Also the TomTom has a nice feature where you can exclude a type of route or part of the route that the TomTom has planned. This is a great feature when you know part of the route is fubar'ed due to construction or traffic. -g cathey speichinger wrote: > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends > here :OP? > > I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. > > Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have > experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. > > Thanks, Cathey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From oldtimealaskan at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 11:59:22 2008 From: oldtimealaskan at yahoo.com (James Lempe) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:59:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey! The continental States are 49. Last time I looked Alaska was on the same continent. If you mean contiguous then say so. --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Ed's Shop wrote: From: Ed's Shop Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) To: "spridget List" Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 2:05 AM <> ODD since you are in the Continental 48 BUY your ARE in WA so I suppose it's VERY possible, Dave !!! LMAO tho !! You are subscribed as oldtimealaskan at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 12:36:54 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:36:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812241136t57af53a6nfbad34fbf9cd5dbd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:59 PM, James Lempe wrote: > Hey! The continental States are 49. Last time I looked Alaska was on the > same continent. If you mean contiguous then say so. You'll have to forgive some of us old timers on this list. I just heard about Alaska and Hawaii last week.... -- Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 12:42:41 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:42:41 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812241136t57af53a6nfbad34fbf9cd5dbd@mail.gmail.com> References: , <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <43840a7e0812241136t57af53a6nfbad34fbf9cd5dbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49522031.13967.ACDBF0@kk7ss.verizon.net> Hawaii too ???? On 24 Dec 2008 at 13:36, Jim Johnson wrote: >> You'll have to forgive some of us old timers on this list. I just >> heard about Alaska and Hawaii last week.... -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 24 12:54:31 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: , <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <43840a7e0812241136t57af53a6nfbad34fbf9cd5dbd@mail.gmail.com> <49522031.13967.ACDBF0@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3279FE6B31D349C9AB369966DC0ADC68@NilesAD.von.gov> > Hawaii too ???? The continent just happens to be a trifle dis-continuous. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 13:01:47 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:01:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27042C0A9FCD427D9235C534667CBB0C@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lempe" To: "spridget List" ; "Ed's Shop" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) Hey! The continental States are 49. Last time I looked Alaska was on the same continent. If you mean contiguous then say so. =========================== So what continent is Hawaii on then? LAD Have a merry and a happy. From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 13:03:35 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:03:35 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <27042C0A9FCD427D9235C534667CBB0C@Larry> References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <27042C0A9FCD427D9235C534667CBB0C@Larry> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812241203v12490bbbsab96b7e8725eafc9@mail.gmail.com> Asia. > > So what continent is Hawaii on then? From peter at nosimport.com Wed Dec 24 13:12:20 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:12:20 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <3279FE6B31D349C9AB369966DC0ADC68@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <43840a7e0812241136t57af53a6nfbad34fbf9cd5dbd@mail.gmail.com> <49522031.13967.ACDBF0@kk7ss.verizon.net> <3279FE6B31D349C9AB369966DC0ADC68@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <200812241212447.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> At 01:54 PM 12/24/2008, David Lieb wrote: >>Hawaii too ???? > >The continent just happens to be a trifle dis-continuous. Or incontinent From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Dec 24 13:14:56 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:14:56 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812241203v12490bbbsab96b7e8725eafc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <27042C0A9FCD427D9235C534667CBB0C@Larry> <5f00d9910812241203v12490bbbsab96b7e8725eafc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <317724621.20081224121456@pacifier.com> Hello, Contrary to recent pedanticism the meaning of "the continental united states" means the lower 48. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_United_States -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Woman who puts detergent on top shelf, jump for Joy... From dwoerpel at wi.net Wed Dec 24 13:21:03 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:21:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <317724621.20081224121456@pacifier.com> References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <27042C0A9FCD427D9235C534667CBB0C@Larry> <5f00d9910812241203v12490bbbsab96b7e8725eafc9@mail.gmail.com> <317724621.20081224121456@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <495299AF.3090401@wi.net> Yes, but 1/4 of California is Pacific Plate so it should be 48 3/4 (I'm counting Alaska because Sarah told me too) Bill L wrote: > Hello, > > Contrary to recent pedanticism the meaning of "the continental > united states" means the lower 48. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_United_States From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 24 13:27:53 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:27:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <495299AF.3090401@wi.net> Message-ID: <20081224202751.TGAA2682.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Dear Santa: Please bring an early spring. Although I enjoy a good snow, I can't stand looking at 2+ feet of it on my Sprite outdoors. Please remember I paid attention and did well in my Landforms and Climates class back in college. I was good that semester :) Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays all! Chris -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Woerpel Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:21 PM Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) Yes, but 1/4 of California is Pacific Plate so it should be 48 3/4 (I'm counting Alaska because Sarah told me too) Bill L wrote: > Hello, > > Contrary to recent pedanticism the meaning of "the continental > united states" means the lower 48. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_United_States From dwoerpel at wi.net Wed Dec 24 13:42:49 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:42:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <20081224202751.TGAA2682.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> References: <20081224202751.TGAA2682.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: <49529EC9.8040801@wi.net> Dear Chris, Do you remember in your Climate class something called the Jet Stream and something about air masses? Well, I have been feeding my reindeer some magic lichens (not to be confused with mushrooms) so they can fly extra fast tonight. I figure if we fly extra fast several times around the world, we can move the Jet Stream further north and keep the cold air up here. As for the Sprite, those two frame dumb irons for the bumper will take a snow plow mount. Until then take a picture of the Sprite with my buddy Frosty standing next to it. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO THE ENTIRE SPRIDGETS LIST!!!!! Ho Ho Ho! Santa Chris Manuel wrote: > Dear Santa: > > Please bring an early spring. > Although I enjoy a good snow, I can't stand looking at 2+ feet of it on my > Sprite outdoors. > > Please remember I paid attention and did well in my Landforms and Climates > class back in college. I was good that semester :) > > Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays all! > > Chris From peter at nosimport.com Wed Dec 24 13:49:17 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:49:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <49529EC9.8040801@wi.net> References: <20081224202751.TGAA2682.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> <49529EC9.8040801@wi.net> Message-ID: <200812241249588.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> At 02:42 PM 12/24/2008, David Woerpel wrote: >Dear Chris, >As for the Sprite, those two frame dumb irons for the bumper will >take a snow plow mount. But, but, you might bend the frame!!!!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS from me as well. Peter C. Also in WI. Go Pack... puleeeeze don't loose to DEEtroit. From dwoerpel at wi.net Wed Dec 24 13:58:57 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:58:57 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <200812241249588.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <20081224202751.TGAA2682.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> <49529EC9.8040801@wi.net> <200812241249588.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <4952A291.5040302@wi.net> Peter Caldwell wrote: > But, but, you might bend the frame!!!!!!! > > > MERRY CHRISTMAS from me as well. > > Peter C. > > Also in WI. Go Pack... puleeeeze don't loose to DEEtroit. AMEN TO THE ABOVE!!! As for the frame, that's how they put the bend in the frame in the first place. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 14:06:48 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:06:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: <20081224202751.TGAA2682.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL><49529EC9.8040801@wi.net> <200812241249588.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <40A361A7CB064EA3BC94F981AD8EA1D1@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Caldwell" MERRY CHRISTMAS from me as well. Peter C. Also in WI. Go Pack... puleeeeze don't loose to DEEtroit. _______________________________________________ But that would get us a higher draft pick next year, wouldn't it? Of course, Detroit has been getting those for years and look where it got them. LAD From hammack at GotSlack.org Wed Dec 24 14:21:03 2008 From: hammack at GotSlack.org (Jim Hammack) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:21:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Message-ID: <4952A7BF.4080900@GotSlack.org> Cathey, I've used several Garmin and Magellan models in rental cars over the past few years. When I decided to buy to buy one for myself last year, I bought the Garmin Nuvi 350. I find the Garmins much easier to use than the Magellans. And I'd recommend that you get one that can speak the street names if you will be driving in the city. As far as getting free map updates from Garmin, I don't think that is correct. I know they want to charge me $70 to update mine. You're entitled to one free update if it is released less than 60 days from the time you purchase your GPS, otherise you have to pay for a DVD or download. Jim cathey speichinger wrote: Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends here :OP? I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. Thanks, Cathey You are subscribed as hammack at gotslack.org http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 14:23:15 2008 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:23:15 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Video from Santa - NO LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4952A843.6000206@sbcglobal.net> My 56 year-old wife liked her message from Santa, too. :) Happy Holidays to everyone. Lee --------------------- Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Video from Santa - NO LBC From: "Brent Wolf" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:01:41 -0500 To: "Robert Duquette" CC: spridgets at autox.team.net Fantastic. Thank you, my 3 year old loves the video she recieved. Merry Christmas On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Robert Duquette < robertduquette at sympatico.ca> wrote: > > For those of you out there with kids, you can make a personalized video > > from Santa: > > > > http://PortableNorthPole.sympatico.msn.ca > > _______________________________________________ From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 14:31:15 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:31:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <200812241212447.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <450530.60171.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Or incontinent I think our outgoing president in one of his many strokes of brilliance said it best in 2006 when he addressed the nuisance of all those disconnected states: "I've reminded the American people the past months that it was not always a given that the United States and America would have a close relationship." Ron From JMFarley50 at aol.com Wed Dec 24 14:34:01 2008 From: JMFarley50 at aol.com (JMFarley50 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:34:01 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? Message-ID: Cathey, I have a Garmin nuvi 660 and have had good luck with it. I purchased it through TigerGPS.com last January and found they had the best deal on this model back then. I had the same experience as Jim, had to pay for the map update the end of June, 2008. John In a message dated 12/24/2008 4:21:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hammack at GotSlack.org writes: Cathey, I've used several Garmin and Magellan models in rental cars over the past few years. When I decided to buy to buy one for myself last year, I bought the Garmin Nuvi 350. I find the Garmins much easier to use than the Magellans. And I'd recommend that you get one that can speak the street names if you will be driving in the city. As far as getting free map updates from Garmin, I don't think that is correct. I know they want to charge me $70 to update mine. You're entitled to one free update if it is released less than 60 days from the time you purchase your GPS, otherise you have to pay for a DVD or download. Jim cathey speichinger wrote: Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends here :OP? I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. Thanks, Cathey You are subscribed as hammack at gotslack.org http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets You are subscribed as jmfarley50 at aol.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) From dlancer7676 at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 14:38:15 2008 From: dlancer7676 at comcast.net (dlancer7676 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:38:15 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? Message-ID: <122420082138.18590.4952ABC6000DE4E10000489E2215575474C0C9C0C99D0A0C020E040B@comcast.net> I have an insurance adjuster's license (Florida) and have taken a lot of adjuster's courses with other adjusters. One of the most valuable tools, according to most of them, is a GPS. Imagine trying to find an address in the middle of a wiped-out hurricane or tornado zone--with the GPS it can be done. Anyway, the brand and model I have heard mentioned most often in that group is the Garmen Street Pilot. I don't have one myself, as I am not currently in the adjustment business, but thought I would pass along the opinion of those who use them regualarly. --David C. Money is a lousy way of keeping score. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "William M. Gilroy" > I have had a TomTom for 3 years. It works fine. Someone just sent me a > Garmin Nuvi 200. I am planning to run them side by side and see which > one is better. The Garmin just got here yesterday. I think for point > to point navigation when you have an address any unit will be fine. It > sometimes seems to me that the TomTom has less POIs then the Garmin, but > I might be wrong, I just took a quick look at the Garmin. I use that > feature lots to find places to eat and bars since I am sort of new to > Seattle. Check back in about 3 months and I will know more. > > All units will have minor problems where the maps are wrong or > incomplete, but most of the time that is not an issue. I have found > that sometimes that I can choose a better route in Seattle based on the > time of day and traffic. What is nice when I ignore the GPS route it > will select a different route. Also the TomTom has a nice feature where > you can exclude a type of route or part of the route that the TomTom has > planned. This is a great feature when you know part of the route is > fubar'ed due to construction or traffic. > > -g > > > cathey speichinger wrote: > > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends > > here :OP? > > > > I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. > > > > Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have > > experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. > > > > Thanks, Cathey > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dlancer7676 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Dec 24 14:49:26 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:49:26 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812241203v12490bbbsab96b7e8725eafc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <27042C0A9FCD427D9235C534667CBB0C@Larry> <5f00d9910812241203v12490bbbsab96b7e8725eafc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DAC3D8486E443EA9A4AC5D97896BE40@Home> >> So what continent is Hawaii on then? Actually, Hawaii is not on a continent at all, or maybe it sits on its own private continent made of recent lava flows from a hot-spot in the mantle beneath the basaltic oceanic crust. There is currently a new island forming over a hot-spot in the south as the older islands drift northward. It has not yet reached the surface. Hawaii gained statehood in August of 1959, making it the same age as Bugeyes. My wife remembers seeing a very badly sunburned President Eisenhower driving by in an open limo at that time. Aloha, Michael Rowe On three islands: Long Island, NY; Oahu, HI; San Juan Island, WA From soavero at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 14:51:43 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <122420082138.18590.4952ABC6000DE4E10000489E2215575474C0C9C0C99D0A0C020E040B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <436119.73137.qm@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/24/08, dlancer7676 at comcast.net wrote: > Anyway, the brand and model I have heard mentioned most > often in that group is the Garmen Street Pilot. I don't That's the one I own and I like it (the C550; around $300 last year, now nearly free!). The newer cheaper Nuvi's are basically the same thing in a smaller package. My youngest kid says the English lady voice sounds depressed, but otherwise we like it. I don't think you can go too far wrong these days. Ron From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 15:21:41 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:21:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: <145347.2689.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><27042C0A9FCD427D9235C534667CBB0C@Larry><5f00d9910812241203v12490bbbsab96b7e8725eafc9@mail.gmail.com> <1DAC3D8486E443EA9A4AC5D97896BE40@Home> Message-ID: <477C6CD0984C44BA8EC560CA2E8C5029@Larry> Sorry, the question of what continent Hawaii is on was meant to be a joke. Actually, I think it is a part of N.A. I remember flying over a big lake on the west side of California to get there. (Ahem... another joke.) LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowe" To: "spridget List" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) >> So what continent is Hawaii on then? Actually, Hawaii is not on a continent at all, or maybe it sits on its own private continent made of recent lava flows from a hot-spot in the mantle beneath the basaltic oceanic crust. There is currently a new island forming over a hot-spot in the south as the older islands drift northward. It has not yet reached the surface. Hawaii gained statehood in August of 1959, making it the same age as Bugeyes. My wife remembers seeing a very badly sunburned President Eisenhower driving by in an open limo at that time. Aloha, Michael Rowe On three islands: Long Island, NY; Oahu, HI; San Juan Island, WA You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 24 15:22:46 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:22:46 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <200812240738902.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: Hi Cathey!! The BEST person that we NEED to hear from (and IS respected [although I have NO clue as to WHY !!] by Leo) is our own Lister Frank C. !! Said 'crazy' showed up at my shop/home about 1.5 years ago and ADMITTED that he had borrowed his Dad's (I think) unit. All he did whilst sitting in is Toms River driveway was put my address in and damned if he didn't show up here practically EXTOLLING it's "virtues" !!! Now we ALL know that Frank vs 'Asian' made stuff =s BAD NEWS !!! LOL And Diane also liked it !!!! It also took them into the Chicago Loop then on to PPP's & Jane's place. What ever he says MUST be GOSPEL !!!!! Ed PS: I thought the end of the world was VERY near !!!! LOL From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 15:30:58 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:30:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: <450530.60171.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Soave" To: "Spridget List" ; "Peter Caldwell" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Or incontinent I think our outgoing president in one of his many strokes of brilliance said it best in 2006 when he addressed the nuisance of all those disconnected states: "I've reminded the American people the past months that it was not always a given that the United States and America would have a close relationship." Ron _______________________________________________ Hang on. Only 27 more days. From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 24 15:33:49 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:33:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <4952A291.5040302@wi.net> Message-ID: <> A picture of the gents that I have met numerous times (Donald, Geoffrey & Gerry) behind the wheel of a Frogeye "testing" a snowplow to 'bend the front irons' refuses to come up on my mental video screen, Dave !!!! LOL From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 24 15:39:31 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:39:31 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Until a President-elect that HAD to be interviewed (with his attorney present) prior to his taking office by a U.S. Attorney General has to be a FIRST (and makes one wonder) !!! "Change", indeed. From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 15:47:54 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:47:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <49524B9A.432.1566DB7@kk7ss.verizon.net> The French have a ohrase... "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" or "The more things change, the more they stay the same!" On 24 Dec 2008 at 16:39, Ed's Shop wrote: >> "Change", indeed. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 15:58:21 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:58:21 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: "Spridget List" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) <> Until a President-elect that HAD to be interviewed (with his attorney present) prior to his taking office by a U.S. Attorney General has to be a FIRST (and makes one wonder) !!! "Change", indeed. _______________________________________________ Ed, being interviewed in a criminal investigation does not mean you are guilty of anything. Witnesses get interviewed. Anybody with information that can help the case gets interviewed. And nobody with an ounce of brains goes to an interview without counsel. The NEXT president isn't the one without an ounce of brains. I assume, if it is announced that he did nothing wrong, that you will come back and eat your words, right? LAD From cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 16:10:11 2008 From: cosmicmag1380 at gmail.com (CosmicMag1380) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:10:11 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: I assume, if it is announced that he did nothing wrong, that you will come back and eat your words, right? There is no such thing as a politician who has done nothing wrong!!! And, please note that this is a "party neutral" generalization... That would be like saying that attorneys are all honest and only out for their clients' best interests! -- Kent 1960 Bugeye 1967 Sprite - following in the 73's footsteps to the boneyard... From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 16:19:45 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:19:45 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0812241519t140fb252yaa96def641671ed1@mail.gmail.com> Please, please, please!!! Tell me it ain't so!! My tower of dreams concerning politicians and lawyers is tumbling down around my very ears!! Don't tell me they are no better than used car salesmen.... Merry Christmas & Happy New Year JIm On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:10 PM, CosmicMag1380 wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Larry Daniels >wrote: > I assume, if it is announced that he did nothing wrong, that you will come > back and eat your words, right? > There is no such thing as a politician who has done nothing wrong!!! And, > please note that this is a "party neutral" generalization... That would be > like saying that attorneys are all honest and only out for their clients' > best interests! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Dec 24 16:22:35 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:22:35 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear Message-ID: Merry Christmas to you all. I've just taken a break from assembly 'Brandy' the rocking horse to watch BBC television's TOP GEAR programme on the internet. My older daughter has been catching up on old episodes of Dr Who for some weeks now and I thought it was time to re-assert my superior technological ability by working out how BBC iplayer works. _www.bbc.co.uk_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk) and go to iplayer and then TOP GEAR or Dr Who or some rubbish programme. Anyone know if there is any USA motoring programmes I can watch in a similar way - cannot be live time as I don't have a licence... I've watched 2 episoded and plan to watch a 3rd before I get 'Brandy' the rocking horse up the stairs to finish the assembly and then get out all the presents before the kids wake up at 02.15 (maybe it will be later this year or earlier and set a new record?) Weslake-Monza 1330 From kk7ss at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 16:27:48 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:27:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812241519t140fb252yaa96def641671ed1@mail.gmail.com> References: , , <43840a7e0812241519t140fb252yaa96def641671ed1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495254F4.196.17AF54D@kk7ss.verizon.net> At least I can see the piece of cr*p the car saleman will fob off on me... On 24 Dec 2008 at 17:19, Jim Johnson wrote: >> Don't tell me they are no better than used car salesmen.... -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 24 16:54:03 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:54:03 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear References: Message-ID: <60D34284649148D2AEA6053DBBB03308@midget> > I've just taken a break from assembly 'Brandy' the rocking horse to watch > BBC television's TOP GEAR programme on the internet. My older daughter > has > been catching up on old episodes of Dr Who for some weeks now and I > thought it > was time to re-assert my superior technological ability by working out how > BBC > iplayer works. _www.bbc.co.uk_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk) and go to iplayer > and then TOP GEAR or Dr Who or some rubbish programme. Dan'l, That works great IF you have a British ISP. If your on our side of the pond, you have to resort to bit-torrent to watch Top Gear. Or rent a British IP address for $5 a month or so to get access to the BBC content like a friend of mine does. David Lieb From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 24 16:58:37 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:58:37 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: , , <43840a7e0812241519t140fb252yaa96def641671ed1@mail.gmail.com> <495254F4.196.17AF54D@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: <6B43EF6FD8D642819050BBCC2A07E4E6@midget> >>> Don't tell me they are no better than used car salesmen.... You folks DO know the difference between a used Spridget salesman (spurious LBC "content") and a computer salesman, don't you? The used Spridget salesman KNOWS when he is lying ;-) And I used to work for the same company as the poster-child for the computersa;esman side of the joke. I learned that when the salesman tells the customer what he wants to hear to make a sale, it is the fault of the technician installing the equipment if said equipment does not do what the salesman said it would, whether that is physically possible or not. Of course, the salesman who knows his product and tells the customer the truth makes no sales and no commission... David Lieb From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Dec 24 17:24:52 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:24:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <200812241212447.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: > Or incontinent I'm not THAT old yet. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 24 17:46:17 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:46:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: Message-ID: <7BBB75DA86AC4CAC968AEBF6A5DB2B2D@midget> >> Or incontinent > I'm not THAT old yet. It's that wild rocknroll lifestyle, Billy. From lbc at littlebitcountry.com Wed Dec 24 17:53:22 2008 From: lbc at littlebitcountry.com (Dave Yealy) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:53:22 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200812250053.mBP0raED028260@mail.usimperio.com> http://www.fancast.com/ is a great site to watch movies and full episodes of a lot of TV shows http://www.hulu.com is another good place. Merry Christmas to all Happy Holidays to all the scrooges Dave At 06:22 PM 12/24/2008, you wrote: >Merry Christmas to you all. > >I've just taken a break from assembly 'Brandy' the rocking horse to watch >BBC television's TOP GEAR programme on the internet. My older daughter has >been catching up on old episodes of Dr Who for some weeks now and I >thought it >was time to re-assert my superior technological ability by working >out how BBC >iplayer works. _www.bbc.co.uk_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk) and go to iplayer >and then TOP GEAR or Dr Who or some rubbish programme. > >Anyone know if there is any USA motoring programmes I can watch in a similar >way - cannot be live time as I don't have a licence... > >I've watched 2 episoded and plan to watch a 3rd before I get 'Brandy' the >rocking horse up the stairs to finish the assembly and then get out all the >presents before the kids wake up at 02.15 (maybe it will be later >this year or >earlier and set a new record?) > >Weslake-Monza 1330 From jdinnis at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 17:56:40 2008 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:56:40 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear In-Reply-To: <60D34284649148D2AEA6053DBBB03308@midget> References: <60D34284649148D2AEA6053DBBB03308@midget> Message-ID: Actually we do get bits of last summer's Top Gear in the USA on BBC America (for those with DirecTv or the like). Love the show. The hosts are insane. On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:54 PM, David Lieb wrote: >> I've just taken a break from assembly 'Brandy' the rocking horse to watch >> BBC television's TOP GEAR programme on the internet. My older daughter >> has >> been catching up on old episodes of Dr Who for some weeks now and I >> thought it >> was time to re-assert my superior technological ability by working out how >> BBC >> iplayer works. _www.bbc.co.uk_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk) and go to iplayer >> and then TOP GEAR or Dr Who or some rubbish programme. > > Dan'l, > That works great IF you have a British ISP. If your on our side of the pond, > you have to resort to bit-torrent to watch Top Gear. Or rent a British IP > address for $5 a month or so to get access to the BBC content like a friend > of mine does. > David Lieb _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jdinnis at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= From hal at katemuir.com Wed Dec 24 18:24:53 2008 From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:24:53 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No that wouldn't. That would be like saying that AT LEAST one attorney is honest and only out for his or her clients' best interests. Which is another thing entirely. Hal -----Original Message----- That would be like saying that attorneys are all honest and only out for their clients' best interests! - From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 24 18:27:05 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:27:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812241519t140fb252yaa96def641671ed1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> ONE word, Jim. Chicago. I would trust the "used car salesmen" FIRST !! SAD tho. Happy Holidays to ALL!! From shop at justbrits.com Wed Dec 24 18:42:59 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:42:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> The 'alleged' results of the 'interview' have been announced, Larry. Keep in mind that the 'interview' was supposedly ONLY about Obama vs Blago and "if" they had "contact" ref Obama's Senator 'recommended' replacement. Of course, keep in mind that the 'President-elect' STATED on NATIONAL TV that NOBODY 'representing' him had contact with Blago and the FACT that his new Chief-of-Staff HAS HAD contact(S). YES, more than ONCE. <> Trust me, AFTER (and it will take at least this long) a minimum of three (3) YEARS; maybe. STILL quite 'sad' to say! Hey, NEW idea!!! Can us Flatlanders just SWAP Governors with you Cheeseheads?? PLEASE?!?!? PRETTY PLEASE??!?!?!? Ed From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 24 18:53:05 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:53:05 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) References: Message-ID: > <> > > The 'alleged' results of the 'interview' have been announced, Larry. > Keep in mind that the 'interview' was supposedly ONLY about > Obama vs Blago and "if" they had "contact" ref Obama's Senator > 'recommended' replacement. > > Of course, keep in mind that the 'President-elect' STATED on NATIONAL TV > that NOBODY 'representing' him had contact with Blago and the FACT > that his new Chief-of-Staff HAS HAD contact(S). > YES, more than ONCE. Easy to misquote, ain't it? It was not about whether anyone had had contact with Blago, it was about whether there had been any INAPPROPRIATE contact. Pat Fitzgerald had made it clear from the outset that there was no sign of any such thing. The quotes from that press conference had made it even more clear when Pat quoted Blago as saying that "they weren't offering me anything more than gratitude, bleep them." The results of the interview, kept back until now out of respect for the on-going investigation confirmed that. I know that you are a pale dude living south of I290, ED, but stop letting your prejudices get in the way. It would be much more amazing to think that there would not have been any contact at all... that was NOT the question. Interesting that Blago is merely trying to defend himself from charges that he expects will be about the senate seat, rather than the real charges being filed. Fitzgerald made it quite clear that they had stepped in at this juncture, risking the investigation, simply to prevent Blago from selling the seat. As Blago says, he didn't do anything illegal there. Unethical? Yup. Morally reprehensible? Prhaps. Illegal? Nope. OTOH, if you want to look for signs of "Pay to play", look no further than the list of pardons handed out by Clinton at the end of his tenure. David Lieb From lists at woozy.com Wed Dec 24 18:54:25 2008 From: lists at woozy.com (Robert Weeks) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:54:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Message-ID: <4952E7D1.6090409@woozy.com> Hi Cathey, I bought a TomTom around this time last year because Consumer Reports had given it a high rating. First it got us hopelessly lost in NJ in a rain storm, in a part of NJ where no one spoke English, when we were driving from Mendham, NJ to Durham, NC which should have been a pretty easy route for it to figure out. Once we were home it would suggest routes when picking fastest route that would take us 20 miles out of the way for what should have been a 15 mile drive. I quickly replaced it with a Magellan Maestro. The user interface on the TomTom was a bit easier to use especially when it comes to entering addresses but the Magellan has never sent us off in the wrong direction and the subscription traffic service seems to work pretty well for what we use it for which is mostly highway travel up and down the east coast. Magellan's integration with AAA's tour book is a nice feature. I've heard very good things about the Nuvi but haven't tried one. YMMV, Robert cathey speichinger wrote: > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our friends > here :OP? > > I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. > > Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have > experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. > > Thanks, Cathey From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 24 19:01:39 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:01:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> <4952E7D1.6090409@woozy.com> Message-ID: I believe the Garmin maps were free at the time when the internal memory was not sufficient to hold the whole country. Since you would have to constantly download sections of the country appropriate for the next trip, free maps were critical. Now that the devices come with all of the USA plus Canada, Timbuktu, and East Bufu loaded, new maps are a luxury and can be charged for. Bear in mind that this is also true for the points of interest... I would have thought that a good marketing person could have gotten businesses to underwrite the costs of the updates, but it hasn't happened yet. David Lieb From bkitterer at mac.com Wed Dec 24 22:19:02 2008 From: bkitterer at mac.com (Kitterer Bob) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:19:02 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> References: <001e01c965d0$d78fd3a0$86af7ae0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Kathy, I have an older Garmin Street Pilot III, use a Magellan with a friend and have a Pioneer built into my Honda. I think the Garmin beats them all hands down. Mine is slow by comparison to current units and it has limited memory so you have to carry a computer to down load maps of the area you will be traveling. This is not necessary with the newer units. Garmin has always charged for map updates to the best of my knowledge but for my use every third year seems to keep me pretty current. Getting to my house is a real test for GPS, there are two streets with locked gates and the Gramin is the only one that knows you can not get here on those streets. For my use finding places that I do not have an address for is the test, finding a know address should be easy. For instance I put in CostCo on the Pioneer and it gives me some place in NJ and I am in CA. Try finding places by name and see what comes up. Bob Kitterer 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise) 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes 2000 Miata Special Edition On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:06 AM, cathey speichinger wrote: > Just need different opinions and where better to post, with all our > friends > here :OP? > > I hear Tom Tom is the best GPS, but need different opinions to decide. > > Please send me the pros and conns of each different one that you have > experiences with. Will appreciate it very much.. > > Thanks, Cathey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bkitterer at mac.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 22:40:39 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:40:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Merry Christmas Spridgeteers! Message-ID: <937850.61631.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just finished up wrapping a present for my son that was stored in my neighbor's basement for the past couple of weeks. Since it's now past midnight here on the right coast, thought I'd take the opportunity to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Will be packing tomorrow for a trip to Tennessee to visit family and friends for a week or so. Will have very limited access to email for that time so I'm looking forward to a few hundred posts by the time I return. Till then, be well and happy. - David Booker Long Island From bmwwxman at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 22:43:01 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:43:01 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0812242143i30e1d6fdye02e53bf2f8960e0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 7:53 PM, David Lieb wrote: > > > > Easy to misquote, ain't it? > It was not about whether anyone had had contact with Blago, it was about > whether there had been any INAPPROPRIATE contact. You mean like in an airport restroom? -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 23:07:35 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:07:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <665915.88249.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/24/08, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: Anyone know if there is any USA motoring programmes I can watch in a similar way - cannot be live time as I don't have a licence... Not sure what is available for you, but there really isn't an American equivalent to Top Gear. That is a great show. My son and I watch it every week (although the episodes we get are a year or so out of date like most everything else on BBC America) We also watch Dr. Who - I enjoy this Tennant guy more than any of the previous Doctors by the way. You might try looking for programs from our 'Speed Channel'. This is where we get our Formula 1 fixes. Unfortunately, seems like two out of three shows other than F1 are somehow related to NASCAR (or NASCRAP as my 13 year old son refers to it). I would suggest looking for Speed titles such as: "My Classic Car" and "Car Crazy" - both good shows that highlight car shows and such. If you're a drag racing fan, there is "Pinks" where two competing car owners race for titles (pink slips), or "Pinks All Out" where the show picks 16 cars with very close ET's, then pair them up till you get a winner who takes home cash and a big tool box. - David From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Wed Dec 24 23:44:18 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:44:18 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Off Thread, but need mens advice.....GPS? In-Reply-To: <4952E7D1.6090409@woozy.com> Message-ID: > First it got us hopelessly lost in NJ There are certain places where any GPS will get you lost because they all have the same incorrect info for that area. Most places they work. In Lake Havasu, any GPS will get you within three blocks, and then send you in the wrong direction. We bought a few TomToms for touring. They've worked pretty well. BZ From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 25 00:07:17 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:07:17 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC Message-ID: It's 0705 and I've been up for 2 hours now. I think we're out of batteries now which is my wife's fault for buying 2 remote control daleks that require 6 x AAA batteries each! Still the Power Rangers helmet, torch and alarm clock are working. I suppose when I get sick of a 6 year old not playing a cheap electric keyboard I can take the batteries out of that to put in a dalek. Time for breakfast before I rebuild other kid's PC with a new hardrive and DVD player and then install camera software and stuff From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 25 00:11:50 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:11:50 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Merry Christmas Spridgeteers! Message-ID: Lucky you I've had a massive boxed 'Brandy' rocking horse in my garage for more than 2 weeks... Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 25/12/2008 05:40:55 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: Just finished up wrapping a present for my son that was stored in my neighbor's basement for the past couple of weeks From andrewpayne at intrex.net Thu Dec 25 05:00:37 2008 From: andrewpayne at intrex.net (Andrew Payne) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:00:37 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear Message-ID: Top Gear is fantastic. NBC was on to make a Top Gear America, but after Knight Rider failed canceled the show. They could not tell the difference between a show about a talking car an a show talking about cars. Look up the Toyota Hilux episode. It is on youtube, and is in many parts. Also as you seem to know, BBC America shows TG on Tuesdays. Fifth Gear is an older option, but good. Look for Jay Leno's Garage on the web, and Garage 419. Have you ever seen the Red Green Show? Not all cars, but still fun. Also a fan of Jalopnik.com Drew -----Original Message----- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com To: "spridgets at autox.team.net" Sent: 12/24/08 6:22 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear Merry Christmas to you all. I've just taken a break from assembly 'Brandy' the rocking horse to watch BBC television's TOP GEAR programme on the internet. My older daughter has been catching up on old episodes of Dr Who for some weeks now and I thought it was time to re-assert my superior technological ability by working out how BBC iplayer works. _www.bbc.co.uk_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk) and go to iplayer and then TOP GEAR or Dr Who or some rubbish programme. Anyone know if there is any USA motoring programmes I can watch in a similar way - cannot be live time as I don't have a licence... I've watched 2 episoded and plan to watch a 3rd before I get 'Brandy' the rocking horse up the stairs to finish the assembly and then get out all the presents before the kids wake up at 02.15 (maybe it will be later this year or earlier and set a new record?) Weslake-Monza 1330 You are subscribed as andrewpayne at intrex.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 25 06:45:41 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:45:41 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear References: Message-ID: <294DDF9FF340480FA778AC7C0B3D38C8@midget> For those of us who do not get BBC here in the US, one of the timeliest options for watching TG is to go to finalgear.com and download complete episodes via bit torrent. They get posted within an hour of the end of each show and usually take me 4 or 5 hours to download, then I can watch them at any time, any number of times. The resolution has been pretty good the last couple of seasons, which means that the files are a little over 700MB each, so have plenty of drive space available. As you go back in time, you will find more that are around 350MB and less visual quality. IMHO the show is usually quite good, although the special episode between last season and this one wherein they completely destroyed the yard of an olympic gold-medalist rower was pathetic beyond description and no perceptable humour to be found. I was beginning to think the show had "jumped the shark", but the current season is the best material they have ever put together. James has come out of his coccoon and is really a valuable contributor to the show. Jemmy no longer automatically wins every contest. They all said nice things about American cars. They tested a Tesla and a Caterham Superlight. If you like British humour (and you must if you own a Spridget) and you have not watched an episode of this show, download one of this season's shows and watch it. If you live anywhere near me (Chicagoland), and would like to watch them, let me know and I will arrange something. I have virtually all of the episodes of the reformulated show (12 seasons). This year they started an Ozzie version of TG. It was just starting to come together by the end of the year and I had high hopes for it, but I just found out that their equivalent to Jemmy, Charlie Cox, has quit the show. It will take a miracle to pull it off now. He was a great host. The other two were a pair of buffoons. In time, they might have learned their roles or been replaced (like Jason on TG-UK), but it will be hard to replace Charlie. David Lieb From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 25 08:17:26 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:17:26 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be Message-ID: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> I'm not sure I like what they did to my old wagon. It's sacrilegious. http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/24/radio.flyer.wagon/index.html From corvallis at peoplepc.com Thu Dec 25 08:22:41 2008 From: corvallis at peoplepc.com (corvallis at peoplepc.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:22:41 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be In-Reply-To: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> References: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> Message-ID: <30349DCAAF444CBD89AD13CC57C4647E@spider> The old (antique now) stuff is available. eBay and other collector sites. ...bill in oregon ================================ -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 7:17 AM To: Spridgets List Subject: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be I'm not sure I like what they did to my old wagon. It's sacrilegious. http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/24/radio.flyer.wagon/index.html From soavero at yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 08:29:40 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:29:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear In-Reply-To: <665915.88249.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <932197.62552.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/25/08, David Booker wrote: > Not sure what is available for you, but there really > isn't an American > equivalent to Top Gear. True enough. "American Chopper" has gotten old, but the early ones are fantastic, definitely a great mix of motor head meets family dysfunction. Also, I doubt it's available anywhere but here, but there a channel on DirecTv satellite called HD Theater. They're running a car marathon all day today, Mille Miglia, Aston Martin Endurance races at SPA, lots of great stuff. The photography is stunning and the sound is really well done. My pre-Christmas present to the family was a theater setup with a 60" Pioneer TV, and HD Theater's car stuff is astounding. Merry Christmas to all!!!! Ron From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 09:03:41 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:03:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <692430.93670.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My wife (from Kent) tells me she used to have Dalek nightmares as a kid... Hard to believe something with a toilet plunger for an apendage could do that to a little girl, but then again the wicked witch's flying monkeys used to scare the crap out of me... For those of you who are not Dr. Who nerds like me and millions of others the world over - Daleks are the race of evil cyborg/robots (sort of) and are the recurring arch nemesis of the good Doctor. They kind of look like a tallish flower pot turned upside down with a plunger sticking out, lights flashing, and a strange Robby the Robot voice. Inside are supposedly soft fleshy creatures who need the protective robot skin to facilitate taking over the universe and destroying the Doctor in the process. or something like that... - David Booker Long Island --- On Thu, 12/25/08, WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC To: spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 1:07 AM It's 0705 and I've been up for 2 hours now. I think we're out of batteries now which is my wife's fault for buying 2 remote control daleks that require 6 x AAA batteries each! Still the Power Rangers helmet, torch and alarm clock are working. I suppose when I get sick of a 6 year old not playing a cheap electric keyboard I can take the batteries out of that to put in a dalek. Time for breakfast before I rebuild other kid's PC with a new hardrive and DVD player and then install camera software and stuff You are subscribed as tncarnut1 at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From spritenut at comcast.net Thu Dec 25 09:58:54 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be In-Reply-To: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> References: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> Message-ID: <4953BBCE.7040205@comcast.net> Larry Daniels wrote: > I'm not sure I like what they did to my old wagon. It's sacrilegious. > > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/24/radio.flyer.wagon/index.html > > You better not keep this wagon out in the rain! No it won't rust but I bet it lets the smoke out when it gets wet. Merry Christmas Frank & Diane From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 10:29:13 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:29:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Merry Christmas to all!! Message-ID: <43840a7e0812250929nf7a6be8tcca43c6c25fb2675@mail.gmail.com> A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from the Johnsons to all of our Spridget friends out there!! Hope you have a warm and happy holiday season and that 2009 brings lots of good things to each of you and to your families! -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 10:34:58 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:34:58 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC In-Reply-To: <692430.93670.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692430.93670.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812250934j6c8c4b94r77bd87f478ace565@mail.gmail.com> Easy - easy, David... Have another toddy and chill..... My dogs think the vacuum cleaner is possessed so I can understand... sorta..... Cheers!! Jim On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:03 AM, David Booker wrote: > My wife (from Kent) tells me she used to have Dalek nightmares as a kid... > Hard to believe something with a toilet plunger for an apendage could do > that > to a little girl, but then again the wicked witch's flying monkeys used to > scare the crap out of me... > > For those of you who are not Dr. Who nerds like me and millions of others > the > world over - Daleks are the race of evil cyborg/robots (sort of) and are > the > recurring arch nemesis of the good Doctor. They kind of look like a > tallish > flower pot turned upside down with a plunger sticking out, lights flashing, > and a strange Robby the Robot voice. Inside are supposedly soft fleshy > creatures who need the protective robot skin to facilitate taking over the > universe and destroying the Doctor in the process. or something like > that... > > - David Booker > Long Island From bmwwxman at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 10:37:59 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:37:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be In-Reply-To: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> References: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812250937m2bd6e8f7j5639163b18648f7d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I'm not sure I like what they did to my old wagon. It's sacrilegious. > > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/24/radio.flyer.wagon/index.html BA$TARD$!!! It's an F'in' Pimpmobile!! Merry Christmas Jim & Carolyn From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 25 11:30:53 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:30:53 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear Message-ID: And got into trouble with the police twice. The funniest one was where they got caught in Reno after revving up their car's big V8s to set off car alarms followed by racing starts. I was amazed at the jag doing a jump with a caravan in tow. I liked the episodes with the big trucks - that test track is the one I''ve been too though wasn't allowed to drive a 40tonne truck on the alpine route. In a message dated 25/12/2008 13:45:53 GMT Standard Time, dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes: They all said nice things about American cars. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Thu Dec 25 11:36:13 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:36:13 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC Message-ID: And a think like an egg whisk. You need to see the early episodes of Who with Tom Baker in the Genesis of the daleks. In a message dated 25/12/2008 16:04:02 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: My wife (from Kent) tells me she used to have Dalek nightmares as a kid... Hard to believe something with a toilet plunger for an apendage could do that to a little girl, but then again the wicked witch's flying monkeys used to scare the crap out of me... For those of you who are not Dr. Who nerds like me and millions of others the world over - Daleks are the race of evil cyborg/robots (sort of) and are the recurring arch nemesis of the good Doctor. They kind of look like a tallish flower pot turned upside down with a plunger sticking out, lights flashing, and a strange Robby the Robot voice. Inside are supposedly soft fleshy creatures who need the protective robot skin to facilitate taking over the universe and destroying the Doctor in the process. or something like that... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of dalekchorus1a.mp3] From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 25 11:44:34 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:44:34 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear References: Message-ID: > And got into trouble with the police twice. The funniest one was where > they > got caught in Reno after revving up their car's big V8s to set off car > alarms followed by racing starts. I think the other time was a setup. Looked like a rent-a-cop to me. Certainly did not react like a real cop. It has really been fun watching Captain Slow wake up this year. I would still like to see a season or three of Charlie Cox with Richard Hammond and Sabine Schmitz. David Lieb From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Thu Dec 25 11:45:30 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:45:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC References: Message-ID: > And a think like an egg whisk. You need to see the early episodes of Who > with Tom Baker in the Genesis of the daleks. I was not aware that egg whisks could think ;-) Ah yes, Tom Baker.. my favorite Doctor. From pilotrob at webtv.net Thu Dec 25 12:17:46 2008 From: pilotrob at webtv.net (Robert E. Shlafer) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:17:46 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] THEFT! Spridgetech - Please Read Message-ID: "......it best not happen again". As God intended and as it should be, Kate. Out my way these days the (so called) the well-educated "parents" of such kids would sue the police for un-necessarily "endangering" and "harrassment" of their innocent "little ones" who can do no wrong! Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) From lists at woozy.com Thu Dec 25 18:32:06 2008 From: lists at woozy.com (Robert Weeks) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Merry Christmas Spridgeteers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49543416.9070205@woozy.com> I've had a Razor electric dirt bike for my son stored at my office for the last three weeks. I was going to bring it home on Friday after work but the wife had a work emergency and had to work late so I had to get the kids from work. Went yesterday morning to get it and a FTD delivery truck hit my pickup truck in an otherwise empty parking lot. The driver never looked and floored it into my truck's right rear quarter panel. We were going to be driving my truck on a trip to see the family but had to scrap that idea since there are no signal or brake lights on the rear right side of my pickup anymore. Got the bike home and it was a big hit with the boy this morning. Took a nap this afternoon and the kid (7 yrs. old) comes in and tells me that there is no Santa and details how I bought the bike online, hid it at my office, brought it home yesterday, hid it in the shed and then brought it in last night after he went to sleep. Being somewhat groggy and wondering WTF was going on I asked him where he got this story from. His answer: "Mommy told me". Some days you just can't freaking win. Merry Christmas, Robert WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com wrote: > Lucky you I've had a massive boxed 'Brandy' rocking horse in my garage for > more than 2 weeks... > > Weslake-Monza 1330 > > In a message dated 25/12/2008 05:40:55 GMT Standard Time, > tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: > > Just finished up wrapping a present for my son that was stored in my > neighbor's basement for the past couple of weeks > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lists at woozy.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1863 - Release Date: 12/24/2008 11:49 AM From millerls at ado13.com Thu Dec 25 19:32:43 2008 From: millerls at ado13.com (millerls at ado13.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC Message-ID: <380-220081252623243709@M2W031.mail2web.com> I could not have said it better. However I did like the show better when they had the really cheesy sets. Larry Miller Original Message: ----------------- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:36:13 EST To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com, spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC And a think like an egg whisk. You need to see the early episodes of Who with Tom Baker in the Genesis of the daleks. In a message dated 25/12/2008 16:04:02 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: My wife (from Kent) tells me she used to have Dalek nightmares as a kid... Hard to believe something with a toilet plunger for an apendage could do that to a little girl, but then again the wicked witch's flying monkeys used to scare the crap out of me... For those of you who are not Dr. Who nerds like me and millions of others the world over - Daleks are the race of evil cyborg/robots (sort of) and are the recurring arch nemesis of the good Doctor. They kind of look like a tallish flower pot turned upside down with a plunger sticking out, lights flashing, and a strange Robby the Robot voice. Inside are supposedly soft fleshy creatures who need the protective robot skin to facilitate taking over the universe and destroying the Doctor in the process. or something like that... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of dalekchorus1a.mp3] You are subscribed as millerls at ado13.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 25 19:44:48 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Gus Wilson Stories Message-ID: Any of you old farts (old farts is defined as anyone at least one day older than me) remember the Gus Wilson stories from the Model Garage? This site has them dating back from the originals in 1925 thru the end in 1970. Kinda fun to read when you need to blow some time. http://www.gus-stories.org/index.html The early ones are neat because they were from way, way before a "young" guy like me was around. The differences in taking care of a car back then as compared to today are just incredible. Enjoy, this stuff is great. Larry Daniels From tncarnut1 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 20:15:20 2008 From: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com (David Booker) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:15:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas evening and Doctor Who (no LBC) In-Reply-To: <380-220081252623243709@M2W031.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <432084.81721.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/25/08, millerls at ado13.com wrote: "You need to see the early episodes of Who with Tom Baker in the Genesis of the daleks." I like those episodes too. Tom Baker is the guy with the curly hair and the scarf, right? I guess maybe the reason they don't appeal to me as much as the david tennant ones is that I never saw enough of Tom Baker in a short enough time period to get a real feel for the show. When Tom Baker was playing the Doctor, I could only catch the occassional episode on the PBS station in Nashville. Don't think they broadcast them regularly - I watched whenever I could, but it was sporadic at best. Besides, the newest Doctor continued to bring us Rose Tyler, who I thought was great. That is, till we were introduced to Martha Jones who is one of the most beauti... Oops - getting carried away there. Lets just say I like the recent editions of the show. Now that leads us to Catherine Tate. She may not be the hottest of the Doctor's companions, but she is certainly one of the best actresses and comedians to ever play the part. I absolutely love her in her own show where she plays all those different characters. - David Larry Miller Original Message: ----------------- From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:36:13 EST To: tncarnut1 at yahoo.com, spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC In a message dated 25/12/2008 16:04:02 GMT Standard Time, tncarnut1 at yahoo.com writes: My wife (from Kent) tells me she used to have Dalek nightmares as a kid... Hard to believe something with a toilet plunger for an apendage could do that to a little girl, but then again the wicked witch's flying monkeys used to scare the crap out of me... For those of you who are not Dr. Who nerds like me and millions of others the world over - Daleks are the race of evil cyborg/robots (sort of) and are the recurring arch nemesis of the good Doctor. They kind of look like a tallish flower pot turned upside down with a plunger sticking out, lights flashing, and a strange Robby the Robot voice. Inside are supposedly soft fleshy creatures who need the protective robot skin to facilitate taking over the universe and destroying the Doctor in the process. or something like that... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of dalekchorus1a.mp3] You are subscribed as millerls at ado13.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From derf247 at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 21:25:25 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:25:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Doctor Who (no LBC) Message-ID: <5f00d9910812252025t20f17fafu5cc366d95350851e@mail.gmail.com> Rose is Billie Piper. Very attractive.. My favorite is Mary Tamm as Romana. Lalla Ward was OK, but Mary Tamm was extreme ooh la la. Tom Baker is the best Doctor, IMHO. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0848693/ From tr3.4.me at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 09:32:11 2008 From: tr3.4.me at gmail.com (Jethro (J Foster)) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:32:11 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be In-Reply-To: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> References: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> Message-ID: <8de85a9c0812260832v43f6f955k70ab676c9c699806@mail.gmail.com> What?!? No side air bags??? This thing is gonna fail the side rollover test for sure! On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I'm not sure I like what they did to my old wagon. It's sacrilegious. > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/24/radio.flyer.wagon/index.html From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 26 10:16:17 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:16:17 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be References: <0A82C8004D564D20B647F26EC5736AA2@Larry> <8de85a9c0812260832v43f6f955k70ab676c9c699806@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <88749D299E644A14B160B408846FAB3A@Larry> I can see it now, in 30 years Frank will be hosting an OSHIT to replace a wiring harness in one Radio Flyer; maybe a digital temp sensor in another. That is so wrong. LAD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jethro (J Foster)" To: "Larry Daniels" Cc: "Spridgets List" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Radio Flyer: It Ain't What It Used To Be What?!? No side air bags??? This thing is gonna fail the side rollover test for sure! On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I'm not sure I like what they did to my old wagon. It's sacrilegious. > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/24/radio.flyer.wagon/index.html From hal at katemuir.com Fri Dec 26 11:08:47 2008 From: hal at katemuir.com (Hal Faulkner) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:08:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] One for Glen Message-ID: Gleln, Thought you might wnat this. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/968174090.html Hal From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 13:38:06 2008 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:38:06 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] GPS Message-ID: <37dc82d40812261238o491fdf79y27c94c6a9f8c7a00@mail.gmail.com> I use the GPS on my cell phone and although it is not one of the larger devices with all the extras, I have to say that I am very happy with it. The GPS on my sons iPod does not give verbal commands, you have to read it and or read the map while driving. I thought this to be a real downer in terms of functionality as my little cell phone unit calls out the commands and drops me in front of my destination every time without missing a beat. I simply hang it up on my visor, set on speaker phone, and let the ladys voice take me to where I need to go. Can't think of anything much better than that. It also has listings for special places and actually a lot of other features which came along with it. But for pure functionality, I cannot see a need to upgrade to anything else. Just a thought. . . Kirk 59BE From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Fri Dec 26 13:52:39 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:52:39 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] One for Glen References: Message-ID: I guess you remember that I said this was my very first car. Mine was grey. My local hobbyshop owner had known my dad and liked/hated me enough to give it to me when it broke down. After repairs it was my highschool car, a real babe-magnet. Though intrigued, I think its best to let someone else enjoy this one. Glen > Gleln, > Thought you might wnat this. > http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/968174090.html > Hal From bmwwxman at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 14:10:30 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:10:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] One for Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43840a7e0812261310p2a7aee22m376b76f17d0a83c4@mail.gmail.com> Glen, If you cared, I mean REALLY cared, you'd make the ultimate sacrifice and take the Borgward knowing that you saved some other poor soul from the agony of owning it. But do you care? Noooo! Not a whit. Let the other poor bugger suffer, that's Glen's moto. You Grinch, you. Cheers!! Jim - who would take the car but doesn't want to deprive Glen of the abject misery.... On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Glen Byrns wrote: > I guess you remember that I said this was my very first car. Mine was > grey. My local hobbyshop owner had known my dad and liked/hated me enough to > give it to me when it broke down. After repairs it was my highschool car, a > real babe-magnet. Though intrigued, I think its best to let someone else > enjoy this one. > > Glen From pdx.pete at verizon.net Fri Dec 26 14:37:43 2008 From: pdx.pete at verizon.net (Peter Shull) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:37:43 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] One for Glen References: <43840a7e0812261310p2a7aee22m376b76f17d0a83c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Back when I was a kid there was actually a Borgward "dealership" in downtown Salina Kansas. They had the sum total of one car (an Isabella) on the floor, which turned out to be one more than they needed to have on hand. That car, as far as I know, might still be sitting there. From frogeye at cox.net Fri Dec 26 19:48:23 2008 From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:48:23 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fiberglass Kelsey/Sebring/Speedwell style aftermarket bonnet project Message-ID: I was recently contacted by a local gentleman who has a long and enjoyable passion for our LBC's and several projects associated with them. He has in his possession a class one mold for a fiberglass bonnet that resembles what I recognize as a Kelsey/Sebring/Speedwell style front bonnet. I have seen several of these at meets and shows and once in awhile posted for sale on EBay. I have contacted a local fiberglass fabricator about providing a price quote to consider manufacturing several of these if there is adequate interest. My question to the list is ..depending on the final cost after the first one is made and pictures can be provided, can anyone interested contact me off list to voice their Level of interest and threshold of pain, price wise, to help determine how practical this project might be based on today's economics. I will be looking for a website to post a few pictures of the bonnet. I can also provide a sample picture to anyone directly who contacts me at frogeye at cox.net Regards Alan This link should provide a bonnet that appears to be very similar. These bonnets will be new from the mold and need no repairs but will need hinging and securing hardware to the car , of course. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Austin-Healey-Bug-Eye-Sprite-Racecar-Speedwell -Bonnet_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a13Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_ trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem140288841314QQitemZ140288841314QQptZRaceQ5f CarQ5fParts From frogeye at cox.net Fri Dec 26 19:56:54 2008 From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:56:54 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Link to Ebay site of the Speedwell style bonnet Message-ID: <32874A4E9A9341ABAE1D4094ADBD3472@maind> http://tinylink.com/?7SwjzvTWUc From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Dec 27 00:14:22 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:14:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel Message-ID: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> Hello Spridgets, Just go thru reading a news article. Seems that the I-beams being used in some of the high rises in Shanghai China were FIVE times lighter than the legal (Chinese) standard, meaning that they were lighter than the iron from which they were supposedly made. ! ? This means that it isn't even steel at all. .. Here's the link http://www.sott.net/articles/show/171603-Shanghai-Steel-Fails-Basic-Safety-Tests -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" Darth Vader sleeps with a Teddywookie. From bighealey at charter.net Sat Dec 27 05:34:06 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:34:06 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget velcro strip and finisher Message-ID: OK so I will again tip my hand. That I am not so familiar with Midgets yet. Anyway.. How does the finishing on the little Velcro strips and chrome finisher go? Does the Velcro strip get two pop rivets or metal screws? Also the chrome finisher has a hole all the way through. What in jackdaniels name goes there? 10/32 screw, snap, lift-a-dot? What goes on the inside of the hole? A photo of a properly finished one would be helpful. Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 07:36:23 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:36:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel In-Reply-To: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> References: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812270636m4805a8aakce0ad017a3780042@mail.gmail.com> Yak poo, Bill. They are making everything from Yak poo. I know this is so because Frank told me. Cheers!! Jim On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Bill L wrote: > Hello Spridgets, > > > Just go thru reading a news article. Seems that the > I-beams being used in some of the high rises in Shanghai China were > FIVE times > lighter than the legal (Chinese) standard, meaning that they were > lighter than the iron from which they were supposedly made. ! ? > > This means that it isn't even steel at all. .. Here's the link > > > http://www.sott.net/articles/show/171603-Shanghai-Steel-Fails-Basic-Safety-Tests From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sat Dec 27 08:25:00 2008 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5DF78ABD-CE2B-46F8-86A4-9E21ACE53B0E@phillymgclub.com> And the inspiration for my scarf ;-) Larry > Ah yes, Tom Baker.. my favorite Doctor. > _______________________________________________ -- Larry Macy 78 Midget Keep your top down and your chin up. Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. lmacy at phillymgclub.com Board Member at Large Philadelphia MG Club One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a parked car. From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Sat Dec 27 08:30:00 2008 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (Lester) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:30:00 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Christmas morning no LBC In-Reply-To: <5DF78ABD-CE2B-46F8-86A4-9E21ACE53B0E@phillymgclub.com> References: <5DF78ABD-CE2B-46F8-86A4-9E21ACE53B0E@phillymgclub.com> Message-ID: .. speaking of humor, what ever happened to Red Dwarf? Lester On Dec 27, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Larry Macy wrote: > And the inspiration for my scarf ;-) > > Larry > >> Ah yes, Tom Baker.. my favorite Doctor. >> _______________________________________________ > > -- > > Larry Macy > 78 Midget > > Keep your top down and your chin up. > > Larry B. Macy, Ph.D. > lmacy at phillymgclub.com > Board Member at Large > Philadelphia MG Club > > One of these days, you'll look back on all this, and plow into a > parked car. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as oldsaabguy at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From tinydog at snet.net Sat Dec 27 11:44:03 2008 From: tinydog at snet.net (tinydog at snet.net) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:44:03 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel In-Reply-To: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <122720081844.17320.49567772000E431D000043A822230706129B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> tinydog responded: You can criticize the Chinese and their cheap junk but the problem is the U. S. consumer's desire to buy cheap junk. You see it right here on this list when somebody is looking for info whether VB or Moss is 2.50 less than the other or when someone is looking for a $25 part for free. Lucas makes green-box parts that consumers buy and reproduction parts that are one rung above the category of scrap. That's why you have Home Depot and Lowe's. Consumers looking to save abuck support them, buying their lower quality products they have builtto their specifications. Don't support these people. Demand better. Complain. Have a willingness to pay the cost for a quality replacement part. -------------- Original message from Bill L : ------------- > Just go thru reading a news article. Seems that the I-beams being used in some of the high rises in Shanghai China were FIVE times lighter than the legal (Chinese) standard, From pythias at pacifier.com Sat Dec 27 12:21:07 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:21:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel In-Reply-To: <122720081844.17320.49567772000E431D000043A822230706129B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> References: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> <122720081844.17320.49567772000E431D000043A822230706129B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> Message-ID: <414786446.20081227112107@pacifier.com> Hello Tinydog, While I agree there is too much bargain hunting in the U.S. I fail to understand your remarks in this case. It is about substandard steel being used in the Chinese OWN buildings. They aren't just selling cheap junk to US, they are doing it to THEMSELVES. .. The article talks about the likleyhood that their skyscrapers WILL collapse in about 10 years time..... That's NOT a US market problem it is strictly CHINESE! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" * "Do you call this a musical?" asked Les miserably. From cbaustin at verizon.net Sat Dec 27 12:36:18 2008 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:36:18 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel References: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> <122720081844.17320.49567772000E431D000043A822230706129B0A02D29B0A029CBF02070A0D089C070006@att.net> <414786446.20081227112107@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1B3E0B50F9BD403CAEA843C2BC1CA59D@universal1> I have a business acquaintance that was in mainland China preparing to build a manufacturing facility. On the engineering spec for the heavy equipment and the structural materials was: "NOTE - No Chinese steel products accepted, in part or whole." Later, CB From cmanuel at wi.rr.com Sat Dec 27 14:03:56 2008 From: cmanuel at wi.rr.com (Chris Manuel) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:03:56 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <49529EC9.8040801@wi.net> Message-ID: <20081227210352.RCOH2065.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Hey-it worked! Nice magic... After a day in the 50s with rain, I was able to open the door to the Sprite. Turned the key, pulled the choke, and it fired right up. Can this be like Groundhog Day? If a Sprite starts up in the first thaw after being buried in snow, is spring around the corner or do I have about 8 more weeks? Chris -----Original Message----- From: David Woerpel [mailto:dwoerpel at wi.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:43 PM To: Chris Manuel Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) Dear Chris, Do you remember in your Climate class something called the Jet Stream and something about air masses? Well, I have been feeding my reindeer some magic lichens (not to be confused with mushrooms) so they can fly extra fast tonight. I figure if we fly extra fast several times around the world, we can move the Jet Stream further north and keep the cold air up here. From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Dec 27 14:12:15 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:12:15 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <20081227210352.RCOH2065.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> References: <49529EC9.8040801@wi.net>, <20081227210352.RCOH2065.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BASEMENTDELL> Message-ID: <495629AF.7697.114D406@kk7ss.verizon.net> Just started mine at 25F... three cranks plus full choke... but she made it... Misfired badly until it had run for about 45 seconds... maybe condensation in the fuel (only had half a tank) Can't get it out of the garage... ;-(( the snow and ice is too deep !! The freezing rain this morning didn't help..... Dave G. On 27 Dec 2008 at 15:03, Chris Manuel wrote: >> After a day in the 50s with rain, I was able to open the door to the >> Sprite. Turned the key, pulled the choke, and it fired right up. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 15:52:18 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:52:18 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel Message-ID: We had a similar discussion on the MG cars bulletin board a while back. >From memory I think I was one of the few people who would pay for home produced product if it was the highest standard. Of course I'm selling silicone hose for not that much more than rubbish rubber hose and have first hand experience of selling the best product versus cheap rubbish. At one point I needed a pattern hose rather than rob my car and bought a new one from Moss - I had to cut it down to match the one on my car before it was an acceptable pattern - correborerated as a pattern by a used one that someone sent me. But then again I also drive a 1969 car that I can fix and buy parts for rather than buy a new one. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 27/12/2008 18:44:16 GMT Standard Time, tinydog at snet.net writes: tinydog responded: You can criticize the Chinese and their cheap junk but the problem is the U. S. consumer's desire to buy cheap junk. You see it right here on this list when somebody is looking for info whether VB or Moss is 2.50 less than the other or when someone is looking for a $25 part for free. Lucas makes green-box parts that consumers buy and reproduction parts that are one rung above the category of scrap. That's why you have Home Depot and Lowe's. Consumers looking to save abuck support them, buying their lower quality products they have builtto their specifications. Don't support these people. Demand better. Complain. Have a willingness to pay the cost for a quality replacement part. From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Dec 27 16:14:38 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812270636m4805a8aakce0ad017a3780042@mail.gmail.com> References: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> <43840a7e0812270636m4805a8aakce0ad017a3780042@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4956B6DE.9030302@comcast.net> Jim Johnson wrote: > Yak poo, Bill. They are making everything from Yak poo. I know this is so > because Frank told me. > > Donkey Dung, not Yak Poo. Dung Forged steel just like the speedo and E brake cable on the Holy Sprite. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Sat Dec 27 18:41:54 2008 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:41:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) Message-ID: <470274.73131.qm@web50601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> B Geez...i like living where I am. I spent yesterday twisting through an old forest highway to Byron Bay (Australia's most Easterly point) and getting a sunburn. Stopped for a swim and a body-surf, had a schooner of ale and then went home via that same beautiful stretch of old highway. There is a new 4-lane motorway runs near it, so all the sheeps drive on that...only me and a few motorcycles on the real road. I find it difficult to comprehend theB temperatures you blokes deal with....and not just because you all talk in Farenheit. The only ice hereB is bobbing around in my bourbon & dry. B Andy --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Dave G. wrote: From: Dave G. Subject: Re: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) To: "spridgets" Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 8:12 AM Just started mine at 25F...B three cranks plus full choke... but she made it... Misfired badly until it had run for about 45 seconds... maybe condensation in the fuel (only had half a tank) Can't get it out of the garage...B ;-((B the snow and ice is too deep !! The freezing rain this morning didn't help..... Dave G. On 27 Dec 2008 at 15:03, Chris Manuel wrote: >> After a day in the 50s with rain, I was able to open the door to the >> Sprite. Turned the key, pulled the choke, and it fired right up. -- Dave G.B B B KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! You are subscribed as a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Sat Dec 27 18:57:36 2008 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:57:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars Message-ID: <45752.70942.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Considering our cars are up to 50 years old, and have yet to become landfill or razor blades, and require no more resources than the fuel they burn, and the odd spare part, Are they not a more environmentally friendly option than just about any new vehicle? hybrids and other novelties included. They were talking on Top Gear about the batteries for a Prius, which have gone around the world before they even become a car part. Seems to me , if you look after your car you are doing your bit for the planet, if not the economy. (This requires a car that was built to last, not built to require replacement after a few years) Andy Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From dlh2001 at comcast.net Sat Dec 27 19:01:06 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:01:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Flywheel Ring gear replacement. Message-ID: I am about mid way on my Rivergate installation and I just replaced my flywheel ring gear. It went pretty smooth. Here was my method: 1) Remove old ring gear with die grinder and cutting disc. Cut as far as you can go. Use a small drill to drill into the area you can't reach with the cutting disc. Now hit your slot with a chisel and it should break free. 2) Mark new ring gear for orientation. Hint: the gear tooth bevel of the starter pinion should match the bevels on the ring gear teeth. 3) Place ring gear in oven on an old cookie sheet, close to broiler. Broil for 20 minutes. 4) Take ring gear out of oven. Take to where work area is. 5) Hang ring gear on previously arranged wire hook comming down from ceiling beam. 6) Fire up propane torch. Heat ring gear further with torch. Go round and round with torch for about 5 minutes. 7) Flywheel should be on flat surface (like a tablesaw) and oriented such that you can drop the ring gear right on to it. 8) Using welding mits, grab the ring gear and drop it onto the flywheel. Use a couple hammer hits around the perimeter to drive it home. Move quickly and do not cock it. It should tap down easily. The reason I use the broiler is that it's a conveinent way to get the gear up to 500 degrees or so, this saves a little effort with the propane torch later on. You are not heating to cherry red here. Just heat till the steel discolors a bit to blue. There was some website that talked about using a charcoal grill to heat up the gear. That seemed a little crazy to me. I think you could easily overheat the gear with that method. Also, there is little to be gained in freezing the flywheel. It's not worth the effort. From kk7ss at verizon.net Sat Dec 27 19:10:16 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:10:16 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] List messages.. ;^)) In-Reply-To: <470274.73131.qm@web50601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <470274.73131.qm@web50601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49566F88.28372.225AD88@kk7ss.verizon.net> Andy, Just for you Our HIGH today was -5*C, our LOW tonight projected to be -12*C. Better than when I lived in Minnesota, oneday in Feb 1978(?) we had a windchill temperature of -67*C -- straight up, no bull!! Which is why I left and moved here!! Grand Forks, North Dakota is sitting at -22*F !! The advantage is that we shouldn't be in a drought condition in the summer.... Sink a Fosters for me... dmg On 27 Dec 2008 at 17:41, Andy Webster wrote: >> I find it difficult to comprehend theB temperatures you blokes deal >> with....and not just because you all talk in Farenheit. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From kgb at frontiernet.net Sat Dec 27 20:04:55 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:04:55 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel In-Reply-To: <4956B6DE.9030302@comcast.net> References: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> <43840a7e0812270636m4805a8aakce0ad017a3780042@mail.gmail.com> <4956B6DE.9030302@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4956ECD7.2070506@frontiernet.net> Speedos are made from yak poo? SCUM50 promises to be VERY interesting! Kate >> >> >> > Donkey Dung, not Yak Poo. > Dung Forged steel just like the speedo and E brake cable on the Holy > Sprite. From spritenut at comcast.net Sat Dec 27 21:25:34 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:25:34 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars In-Reply-To: <45752.70942.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <45752.70942.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4956FFBE.4060304@comcast.net> Andy Webster wrote: > They were talking on Top Gear about the batteries for a Prius, I heard somewhere that the disposed batteries from a hybrid leave a larger carbon footprint then any other gas powered vehicle. And that they will cost upwards of $5,000 to replace when the time comes. I'll keep my Sprites ;) -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From dwoerpel at wi.net Sat Dec 27 21:38:25 2008 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:38:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Shanghai Steel In-Reply-To: <4956ECD7.2070506@frontiernet.net> References: <1673775712.20081226231422@pacifier.com> <43840a7e0812270636m4805a8aakce0ad017a3780042@mail.gmail.com> <4956B6DE.9030302@comcast.net> <4956ECD7.2070506@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <495702C1.9010400@wi.net> Excellent Kate!!! LOL! Wow, that was quick. Heck of a visual also. What happens in hot weather? And Chris? You expect us to have only 8 more weeks? I realize that's March but....... We are now getting rain with falling temps in the 30's (F) so out with the ice skates, put studded tires on the Sprite. Actually we drive to Madison for a hockey game and hope we make it. The [NaCl ] is going to be very high this year in our streams and lakes! Send pictures you folks in warm climes so I can see what it looks like without snow and now floods. Dave W. Burlington WI Kathryn Bales wrote: > Speedos are made from yak poo? SCUM50 promises to be VERY interesting! > > Kate From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Sun Dec 28 03:17:31 2008 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:17:31 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars In-Reply-To: <45752.70942.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77F3077013D34B17BFD901A75D143253@GuyLaptop> Andy, you are right! A modern car uses more energy to manufacture it than it uses to run it for an average 10 year life span. So a car like a Spridget that was more simple to manufacture in the first place, and has lasted maybe 3 - 4 or 5 times as long as the modern average is well ahead of the game in terms of "whole life" energy consumption, even allowing for the slightly less fuel efficient engines. But, sooner or later some government official will think that there are sufficient voters who will believe what he tells them to support legislation to ban our older cars on the wrongful perception that they "cause bad pollution" Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Andy Webster Sent: 28 December 2008 01:58 To: spridgets at autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars Considering our cars are up to 50 years old, and have yet to become landfill or razor blades, and require no more resources than the fuel they burn, and the odd spare part, Are they not a more environmentally friendly option than just about any new vehicle? hybrids and other novelties included. They were talking on Top Gear about the batteries for a Prius, which have gone around the world before they even become a car part. Seems to me , if you look after your car you are doing your bit for the planet, if not the economy. (This requires a car that was built to last, not built to require replacement after a few years) Andy Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From bighealey at charter.net Sun Dec 28 07:46:48 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:46:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] time delay buzzer Message-ID: <12F4DBA309DD4B91AA2D4FBFDF21CD96@TRACY> Does anyone use a time delay buzzer in their Midget? 6 pin cannot get anymore? Mine does not have one but then it does not have seatbelt or seat switches in it either. What a strange beast this 76 Midget wiring......... Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! President AHCUSA www.healey.org From cbking at alum.rpi.edu Sun Dec 28 10:05:52 2008 From: cbking at alum.rpi.edu (Chris King) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:05:52 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] time delay buzzer Message-ID: Tracy, I don't have one in my '77 (with '79 wire harness). Just as well, as the new seat belts don't come with the electrical connection for the buzzer either. -=Chris Chris King http://home.comcast.net/~kvcbk/ <-----Original Message-----> >From: Tracy Drummond [bighealey at charter.net] >Sent: 12/28/2008 9:47:48 AM >To: spridgets at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Spridgets] time delay buzzer > >Does anyone use a time delay buzzer in their Midget? 6 pin cannot get >anymore? > > > >Mine does not have one but then it does not have seatbelt or seat switches >in it either. > > > >What a strange beast this 76 Midget wiring......... > > > >Tracy Drummond Gang Warily ! > >President AHCUSA www.healey.org >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as cbking at alum.rpi.edu > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets >. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 10:21:22 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:21:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] 2009 Spridget Calendars Still Available Message-ID: <43840a7e0812280921g47cb6b38r7dbb1bfc067c2218@mail.gmail.com> Spridgeteers, Just a reminder.... The popular 2009 Spridgets Calendar put together by David Lieb and Bruce Hamper from YOUR pictures is still available from the Sprite-Midget Club USA Cafepress Store at: http://www.cafepress.com/spridget/ Still a few more days before 2009 starts! Lots of folks (over 60 so far) have ordered or already received their calendars and so far everyone loves them. A couple of bucks from each calendar is going into the seed money fund for "50 Years of Midgets - A Spridget Event" in 2011. Speaking of that event, work has already started on it! More volunteers are needed. Reply to this email if you might be able to help either at the event or during the next couple of years getting things ready. Some are already suggesting an exclusively Spridgets event every 3 years and moving it around the country. -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From cbaustin at verizon.net Sun Dec 28 10:38:05 2008 From: cbaustin at verizon.net (Charley Braum) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] 2009 Spridget Calendars Still Available References: <43840a7e0812280921g47cb6b38r7dbb1bfc067c2218@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F54CCD2DFE14C499E169C1AABBC1333@universal1> I know a guy in New York that can guarantee a 30% return on investment of the 'seed money'. Let me know; he's pretty tough to get a-hold of, unless you have his ankle-bracelet ring-tone access code! Later, CB From wmgilroy at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 12:11:45 2008 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:45 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars In-Reply-To: <77F3077013D34B17BFD901A75D143253@GuyLaptop> References: <45752.70942.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <77F3077013D34B17BFD901A75D143253@GuyLaptop> Message-ID: <441250190812281111y3173f677sfe7beb5e1b82f4fc@mail.gmail.com> They can have my car when they pry it from my cold dead hands. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Guy Weller wrote: > Andy, you are right! > > > But, sooner or later some government official will think that there are > sufficient voters who will believe what he tells them to support > legislation > to ban our older cars on the wrongful perception that they "cause bad > pollution" From lmacy at phillymgclub.com Sun Dec 28 12:41:31 2008 From: lmacy at phillymgclub.com (Larry Macy) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:41:31 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars In-Reply-To: <441250190812281111y3173f677sfe7beb5e1b82f4fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <45752.70942.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <77F3077013D34B17BFD901A75D143253@GuyLaptop> <441250190812281111y3173f677sfe7beb5e1b82f4fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That's what Charlton Heston said and look where he is now. Ed On Dec 28, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Bill Gilroy wrote: > They can have my car when they pry it from my cold dead hands. > > On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Guy Weller > wrote: > >> Andy, you are right! >> >> >> But, sooner or later some government official will think that there >> are >> sufficient voters who will believe what he tells them to support >> legislation >> to ban our older cars on the wrongful perception that they "cause bad >> pollution" From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Dec 28 13:48:54 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:48:54 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars In-Reply-To: References: <45752.70942.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <441250190812281111y3173f677sfe7beb5e1b82f4fc@mail.gmail.com>, Message-ID: <495775B6.17121.10481B2@kk7ss.verizon.net> But he kept his guns ! ;^D On 28 Dec 2008 at 12:41, Larry Macy wrote: >> That's what Charlton Heston said and look where he is now. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From khargreaves2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 16:15:22 2008 From: khargreaves2 at gmail.com (Kirk Hargreaves) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:15:22 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" Message-ID: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> As a guitar player I have to say the quality of Chinese made instruments has greatly improved. My brother in law owns a Parkwood acoustic. The craftsmanship is top notch, as well as the tone. The other day I looked inside the guitar body and was surprised to see "made in China." I think that once the basics of the guitar are put together in China, the stateside factory takes over and does the final inspection and set up. Also, I would venture that the same CNC machines that make the basic cuts are the same ones used in the States? Billy Zoom would know more about this than I - but from what I have seen, the Chinese factories (some of them) have stepped up the quality beyond what I would have expected. Personally, even with an improvement of quality, the gear I play is all US made. I cannot bring myself to own an instrument, or an amplifier (Bugera as well) unless it was made in the States. I would like to see some type of foreign trade restrictions back in place, similar to what Ronald Reagan did for Harley Davidson - which helped the motor company get back on it's feet. Just a comment. . . Kirk 59BE From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 16:28:45 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:28:45 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" Message-ID: Is this a steel guitar or one crafted from wood? Enquiring minds want to know. In a message dated 28/12/2008 23:15:51 GMT Standard Time, khargreaves2 at gmail.com writes: As a guitar player I have to say the quality of Chinese made instruments has greatly improved. From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 16:51:13 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:51:13 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812281551l1cef7d0ahb8b21d707429a8dc@mail.gmail.com> The Chinese can make anything as well as anyone else. The problem is that they make exactly what they are asked to make. People at Harbor Freight request cheap tools and the Chinese deliver. The Chinese make everything from pencils to nuclear power plants. They made a version of the AK-47 that was adopted by the US Navy SEALS after testing against several other AK variants from European and Middle Eastern makers. You can get junk from China, India, Taiwan, Japan, Mexico, Texas, England, etc. One out of every 1000 or so things from Harbor Freight are good items. Many more are "kits" that can be made into useful items. But, the Chinese aren't flooding the States with junk because they can, they are doing it because someone is paying them to do it. From mdrowe at optonline.net Sun Dec 28 18:14:46 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812281551l1cef7d0ahb8b21d707429a8dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910812281551l1cef7d0ahb8b21d707429a8dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <967CA21EEF57445D9914EDAA6A634B3F@Home> > The Chinese can make anything as well as anyone else. I read an interesting article a year or so ago about a CEO of a Chinese appliance manufacturing company who went to Germany to look at machines. He was embarrassed by what he found because he simply did not know that anyone made appliances of that quality. He knew that his plant and people were capable of the same, and set out to change the operations to produce to produce them. There may be a lot of that in a country where people have so little exposure to the rest of the world. They simply may not know, or may be constrained by the government to do things as they always have. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From grbyrns at ucdavis.edu Sun Dec 28 18:31:09 2008 From: grbyrns at ucdavis.edu (Glen Byrns) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:31:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Flywheel Ring gear replacement. Message-ID: <200812290131.mBT1V9sK024662@diometes.ucdavis.edu> I'd have to disagree about both the BBQ and the freezer. The freezer was easy enough and the gear wasn't anywhere near glowing from the BBQ, but the ring settled over the flywheel without the slightest tap and seized up tight in a few seconds with a hiss. Too easy. Glen From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Dec 28 18:35:53 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:35:53 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget for sale in Chicago Area Message-ID: Guys, As most of you know, I do the classified ads for the Chicagoland MG Club. There is a Midget for sale since late October. If I had somewhere to put the stuff, I woulda grabbed it. The guy has just dropped the price for the whole mess to $900, which includes a brand new NOS hood, rebuilt 1275 and ribcase, a rebuildable 1275, a 1500 and trans, and a lot of other parts. Someone please remove this temptation from me while Trish will still forgive me! >> I have a 1976 MG for sale - asking 900 for the car (clear IL title) and >> good parts from 3 Spridgets. I also will include a NOS hood and rear >> bumper >> from an early mg. >> >> the good: >> -master brake cyl needs rebuild/replacement (have spare) but the rest of >> the brake system was rebuilt a 4 years ago. >> -rebuilt engine .020 over from a 1970 attached to rebuilt trans/new >> clutch >> (both installed into the vehicle) >> -rebuilt SU carbs. >> -installed new carpet set but it will need a heavy cleaning due to >> sitting >> around(i will include templates to cut a new set) >> -chrome wire wheels (and a spare set of painted wire wheels) >> - i have put together everything to convert the car to chrome bumpers >> including new rear bumper, nice front bumper, 3 grills and mounting >> hardware. >> - i have spare parts galore. front suspension/stub axles, rear diffs, 2 >> extra engines(1500 runs good 40k and 1275 needs main bearings) >> - included is about 3 parts cars worth of parts. condition on spare parts >> varies from good to poor, but they're good cores. i have a new OEM hood >> still bubble wrapped. fenders doors windshield frames, trunk lids, >> luggage >> rack, driveshafts, wiring harnesses, trim, steering assembly, various >> switches gauges. etc. I need my storage back. >> >> the bad: >> - minor rust issues. passenger floor pan has a small hole (installed a >> patch pan, but rust will need to be replaced - easy fix). the car has >> minimal rust in typical areas - front of outer rockers, rear of trunk >> floor, >> etc. >> - paint - I painted the car in my garage a few years ago. not the best >> paint job. >> >> Overall, the vehicle is in fair condition for its age and is definitely a >> project car. I have the clear IL title to the car and it's a blast to >> drive >> when it's up and running. The body of the car has roughly 40k on it and >> the >> engine is rebuilt. The vehicle has great potential for any mg enthusiast. >> I >> drove this car for two summers before pulling the engine and installing >> the >> new one but never finished the project (i think it only needs a throttle >> cable and new battery to fire up, but since it's been in storage it might >> need more). The car is located around 90/94 and irving park road in >> chicago >> il 60618 and must be trailered. Many of the included extra parts are >> located >> on the NW side of chicago near 94/peterson zip 60646. call Mike with any >> questions 773 774 5501. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Sun Dec 28 18:43:59 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:43:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Midget for sale in Chicago Area References: Message-ID: <4369BE0034CB427DAC65F040BB03FCCF@midget> And I neglected to mention that Mike Salyers can be reached via email at mike.salyers at chicagolandmgclub.com From derf247 at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:39:12 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:39:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <967CA21EEF57445D9914EDAA6A634B3F@Home> References: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910812281551l1cef7d0ahb8b21d707429a8dc@mail.gmail.com> <967CA21EEF57445D9914EDAA6A634B3F@Home> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812281839h677b7945gab4c14fa6cb8c89c@mail.gmail.com> Most times someone brings them a German made thing and gets them to make one similar but cheaper. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Michael Rowe wrote: >> The Chinese can make anything as well as anyone else. > > I read an interesting article a year or so ago about a CEO of a Chinese > appliance manufacturing company who went to Germany to look at machines. He From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Dec 28 19:40:06 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars In-Reply-To: <4956FFBE.4060304@comcast.net> Message-ID: > upwards of $5,000 to replace when the time comes. The time comes every couple years. I saw a show on TV about the environmental impact. There's a large area of pollution around the nickel mines, a large area of pollution around the sites where they process the nickel, a large area of pollution around the plant that makes the batteries, and the old used batteries are a toxic nightmare. Personally, I wouldn't trust a hybrid because there's just too much technology involved for them to be reliable after the first couple years, and none of them can match my Honda for mileage. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Sun Dec 28 19:56:25 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:56:25 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Billy Zoom would know more about this than I - but from what I have seen, The Japanese make the best guitars. The Chinese guitars aren't very good, but they look OK. I think the Chinese can some things well. I don't believe they can wind a decent transformer, and I don't believe that a quality guitar can be built by people who don't understand what a guitar is. American gear isn't that great anymore. Our labor costs too high, and our products are usually designed by the sales department rather than the engineering department. The biggest problem with American made guitars is that everybody from the janitor on up thinks he's an expert. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 28 20:08:30 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:08:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" References: Message-ID: <630D8BCAEAC946BB8BE428016F60A7BB@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: "Kirk Hargreaves" ; Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" > Billy Zoom would know more about this than I - but from what I have seen, The Japanese make the best guitars. The Chinese guitars aren't very good, but they look OK. I think the Chinese can some things well. I don't believe they can wind a decent transformer, and I don't believe that a quality guitar can be built by people who don't understand what a guitar is. American gear isn't that great anymore. Our labor costs too high, and our products are usually designed by the sales department rather than the engineering department. The biggest problem with American made guitars is that everybody from the janitor on up thinks he's an expert. _______________________________________________ Billy, last year my wife and I and several other couples went to Memphis for the Memphis In May Blues Festival. We toured the Gibson guitar factory only because it was only a block or so off Beale Street and we didn't want to stray too far from Beale for obvious reasons. Allowing that I know absolutely zero about the subject, I was impressed by the Gibson tour. What say you about them? They impressed my teeny little mind about the subject. LAD From bmwwxman at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 20:21:19 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:21:19 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812281839h677b7945gab4c14fa6cb8c89c@mail.gmail.com> References: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> <5f00d9910812281551l1cef7d0ahb8b21d707429a8dc@mail.gmail.com> <967CA21EEF57445D9914EDAA6A634B3F@Home> <5f00d9910812281839h677b7945gab4c14fa6cb8c89c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812281921k420dce58m923b6dbf8df67b80@mail.gmail.com> Not so fast there.... The Chinese make the Chang Jiang motorcycle. It was copied from the BMW R71. You know... the one that Germany used throughout WWII. They still make it to look like the original R71 they copied all those years ago. The trouble is, that while relatively cheap, it is still 1940s technology. Moreover, all the castings, wiring, paint, chrome and metal work are $hit. I have twice attempted to help people put the kit version together. Nothing fits. The tolerances are terrible, the metal alloys are $hit. Both times it cost more than the kit was worth to re-machine, re-wire, re-paint everything to get it working. Bearings disintigrated, wiring burned up, we had to put German pistons and rings in them, plating and paint peeled off.... etc etc etc. The original German machine was beautiully made and everything was precise. The Chinese copy was badly done to begin with and it hasn't changed in over 60s years. It is still a bucket of manure. China is flooding America with crap of every imagineable kind. I don't believe for a moment that they don't know any better! They are just taking stupid Americans for their money. P.T. Barnum was right. And we are the suckers because not only do we no longer manufacture things, we continue to support the Chinese industries that are cranking out $hit. Your experience with Chinese manufacturing may differ from mine but I don't intend to support the Bas#*ds unless they start making quality or until people in this country see the light and start manufacturing well made American products again. We're going broke selling "services" in this country. We need to make and sell "things". There. I feel better now...... Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:39 PM, derf wrote: > Most times someone brings them a German made thing and gets them to > make one similar but cheaper. > > > On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Michael Rowe > wrote: > >> The Chinese can make anything as well as anyone else. > > > > I read an interesting article a year or so ago about a CEO of a Chinese > > appliance manufacturing company who went to Germany to look at machines. > He From davriker at nwi.net Sun Dec 28 21:23:48 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:23:48 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] 'green' cars References: Message-ID: <05F79AB5ED2245EB83B6AC970A785AD7@MAIN> Ford Escape, Toyota Prius, Chevrolet Tahoe, and all of their twins waranty the battery pack and hybrid systems for 8 years/100,000 miles (longer in states that have adopted California emissions standards). If you own a modern car longer than that, you aren't doing your part to keep capitalism strong! Dave R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy Zoom" To: "Frank Clarici" ; "Andy Webster" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 'green' cars >> upwards of $5,000 to replace when the time comes. > The time comes every couple years. I saw a show on TV about the > environmental impact. There's a large area of pollution around the nickel > mines, a large area of pollution around the sites where they process the > nickel, a large area of pollution around the plant that makes the > batteries, > and the old used batteries are a toxic nightmare. > Personally, I wouldn't trust a hybrid because there's just too much > technology involved for them to be reliable after the first couple years, > and none of them can match my Honda for mileage. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as davriker at nwi.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1867 - Release Date: 12/28/2008 2:23 PM From kgb at frontiernet.net Sun Dec 28 22:00:10 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:00:10 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <630D8BCAEAC946BB8BE428016F60A7BB@Larry> References: <630D8BCAEAC946BB8BE428016F60A7BB@Larry> Message-ID: <4958595A.2080503@frontiernet.net> The two best pickers I know both use Gibson Stratocasters. I still plunk around on my 50 year old Gianinni acoustic. Kate > Allowing that I know > absolutely zero about the subject, I was impressed by the Gibson tour. What > say you about them? They impressed my teeny little mind about the subject. > > LAD From kk7ss at verizon.net Sun Dec 28 23:15:07 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:15:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <4958595A.2080503@frontiernet.net> References: , <630D8BCAEAC946BB8BE428016F60A7BB@Larry>, <4958595A.2080503@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4957FA6B.31965.30AE417@kk7ss.verizon.net> I acquired my Gianinni 35 years ago..... I've always wanted to find out more about the maker... Any input?? Dave G. On 28 Dec 2008 at 21:00, Kathryn Bales wrote: >> I still >> plunk around on my 50 year old Gianinni acoustic. -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 01:55:38 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:55:38 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" Message-ID: Maybe they can and maybe they can't. The problem is that the cheap junk they make to meet a demand for cheap junk is cheaper than anyone else's cheap junk and the they pay their employees a wage that keeps them close to poverty to do so. In a message dated 28/12/2008 23:51:32 GMT Standard Time, derf247 at gmail.com writes: The Chinese can make anything as well as anyone else. The problem is that they make exactly what they are asked to make. From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Dec 29 02:23:58 2008 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:23:58 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <37dc82d40812281515n4eb28b82gd4ab8bcbfd9d2422@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, Spridget parts from England and China, for example ;-) Eric Kirk Hargreaves wrote: ... I would like to see some type of foreign trade restrictions back in place, similar to what Ronald Reagan did for Harley Davidson - which helped the motor company get back on it's feet. Just a comment. . . Kirk 59BE From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Mon Dec 29 02:29:37 2008 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:29:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" Message-ID: <189901.37503.qm@web50608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> isnt the Chang Jiang a copy of a copy? I thought the russians took the R71 and made it a Ural 650, then the chinese copied that... B B B Also...Gibson Stratocaster?B is that like a Ford Corvette?B or am I that out of touch with modern instruments... I play a Maton acoustic. Made in Australia. (albeit from brazilian mahogany and american spruce) B B And no-one will be prying my sprite from my cold dead hands, unless they dig us both up first. B Andy Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Mon Dec 29 02:32:42 2008 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:32:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" Message-ID: <429462.17268.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Can anone tell me why i keep getting lots of capital B's infiltrating my posts? --- On Mon, 29/12/08, Andy Webster wrote: From: Andy Webster Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" To: spridgets at autox.team.net Received: Monday, 29 December, 2008, 8:29 PM isnt the Chang Jiang a copy of a copy? I thought the russians took the R71 and made it a Ural 650, then the chinese copied that... B B B Also...Gibson Stratocaster?BB is that like a Ford Corvette?BB or am I that out of touch with modern instruments... I play a Maton acoustic. Made in Australia. (albeit from brazilian mahogany and american spruce) B B And no-one will be prying my sprite from my cold dead hands, unless they dig us both up first. B Andy B B B Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox You are subscribed as a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From bighealey at charter.net Mon Dec 29 04:17:58 2008 From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Lift for Reverse WTF Message-ID: <916BA73EC1D3493FB08E755F4063B6B1@TRACY> OK now I am just punked. Lift for reverse, WTF? I just realized that I have to lift the shifter lever to get reverse gear in the Unholy Midget. I have had to do all types of odd contortions to get previous cars into reverse but really, lift? Tracy From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Dec 29 05:43:55 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:43:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" References: <429462.17268.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15F86787AFBF4840A03BFEF77AD47ABE@midget> > Can anone tell me why i keep getting lots of capital B's infiltrating my > posts? It's that Strine accent ;-) Check your settings and see if you can find an option for "text only" From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Mon Dec 29 05:44:47 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:44:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Lift for Reverse WTF References: <916BA73EC1D3493FB08E755F4063B6B1@TRACY> Message-ID: > Lift for reverse, WTF? I just realized that I have to lift the shifter > lever to get reverse gear in the Unholy Midget. I have had to do all > types > of odd contortions to get previous cars into reverse but really, lift? It's those heathen Triumph engineers. Blame them. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 29 06:33:42 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:33:42 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] The history of air con. Message-ID: <4B44857E2F744684B4476148E1CCC6BE@Larry> Forwarded from the MGB list: The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Max, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent. The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti-Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. They haggled back and forth for about two hours, and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max on the controls. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 08:24:43 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:24:43 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <4958595A.2080503@frontiernet.net> References: <630D8BCAEAC946BB8BE428016F60A7BB@Larry> <4958595A.2080503@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812290724r2995fa4dl8a4d314aaff6f022@mail.gmail.com> Ummm..... Fender makes the Stratocaster, Kate. Gibson makes the Les Paul which is my choice of electrics from that firm. The old Gibson Hummingbird was a decent guitar but in 50 years of playing I have yet to find a Gibson acoustic which I think is the equal of a Martin. The Strat is okay but I prefer the old Telecaster from Fender and my favorite acoustic is my 1956 Martin D-28 Herringbone. I do have a favorite Gibson but it is a Mastertone Banjo, not a guitar. The Gibson Loyd Loar F-5 Mandolin is also a treasure if you can find/afford one! Cheers!! Jim On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Kathryn Bales wrote: > The two best pickers I know both use Gibson Stratocasters. I still plunk > around on my 50 year old Gianinni acoustic. > > Kate > >> Allowing that I know absolutely zero about the subject, I was impressed >> by the Gibson tour. What say you about them? They impressed my teeny >> little mind about the subject. >> >> LAD >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bmwwxman at gmail.com > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets > -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From bmwwxman at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 09:00:49 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:00:49 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Holy Sprite - More Pictures. Message-ID: <43840a7e0812290800j762a7760w60cc129a591ab79e@mail.gmail.com> I finally got off my butt and put up a bunch of my pictures from the Holy Sprite project. You can browse them at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13600244 at N07/ -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From kgb at frontiernet.net Mon Dec 29 09:44:23 2008 From: kgb at frontiernet.net (Kathryn Bales) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:44:23 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <43840a7e0812290724r2995fa4dl8a4d314aaff6f022@mail.gmail.com> References: <630D8BCAEAC946BB8BE428016F60A7BB@Larry> <4958595A.2080503@frontiernet.net> <43840a7e0812290724r2995fa4dl8a4d314aaff6f022@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4958FE67.7090805@frontiernet.net> I knew that. I had been reminiscing about my mother, who died on 12/28, and typed Gibson, which was her favorite drink. How beverages and guitars managed to enter my feeble mind at the same time is yet to be known. Kate Jim Johnson wrote: > Ummm..... Fender makes the Stratocaster, Kate. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Dec 29 10:30:05 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:30:05 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <4957FA6B.31965.30AE417@kk7ss.verizon.net> Message-ID: > Any input?? http://www.giannini.com.br/eng/abertura.asp They were a good quality/ low cost classical from Brazil. I loved the multi-colored strings they came with. From billyzoom at billyzoom.com Mon Dec 29 10:32:44 2008 From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com (Billy Zoom) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:32:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <4958595A.2080503@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: > The two best pickers I know both use Gibson Stratocasters. That's a good trick. Does Fender know? From kk7ss at verizon.net Mon Dec 29 10:39:07 2008 From: kk7ss at verizon.net (Dave G.) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:39:07 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: References: <4957FA6B.31965.30AE417@kk7ss.verizon.net>, Message-ID: <49589ABB.6606.5B3479@kk7ss.verizon.net> Thaank you so very for the link... On 29 Dec 2008 at 9:30, Billy Zoom wrote: >> http://www.giannini.com.br/eng/abertura.asp -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA If I wake up in the morning, and I hurt, it means that I'm still alive !! From soavero at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 11:11:27 2008 From: soavero at yahoo.com (Ron Soave) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:11:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <517263.86817.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Billy Zoom wrote: > > The two best pickers I know both use Gibson > Stratocasters. > That's a good trick. Does Fender know? I have a Fender Gibson- a USA made 1973 Telecaster Deluxe with Humbucker pickups. It has secretly been for sale for years. If anyone is interested, holler. Ron From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 12:19:07 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:19:07 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" Message-ID: SorrBBy nBo BBidea? In a message dated 29/12/2008 09:32:55 GMT Standard Time, a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au writes: Can anone tell me why i keep getting lots of capital B's infiltrating my posts? From spritenut at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 13:46:32 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <429462.17268.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <429462.17268.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49593728.50601@comcast.net> Andy Webster wrote: > Can anone tell me why i keep getting lots of capital B's infiltrating my > posts? > Chinese made computer. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From sliclass at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 13:51:48 2008 From: sliclass at gmail.com (WBM imap) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:51:48 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <49593728.50601@comcast.net> References: <429462.17268.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49593728.50601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49593864.3000207@gmail.com> You have a different default font than the person sending the email. The B appears when he (or she) puts in a quote mark or a line break or.... whatever. The appearance of the B is annoying, perhaps, but not life-threatening. Bill Slightly Classics Frank Clarici wrote: Andy Webster wrote: Can anone tell me why i keep getting lots of capital B's infiltrating my posts? Chinese made computer. From shop at justbrits.com Mon Dec 29 13:54:22 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:54:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Chinese Made "Stuff" In-Reply-To: <517263.86817.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <> Payable in Euros and deposited in a Nigerian Bank Account ONLY, Ron??? PPP From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 14:42:11 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:42:11 EST Subject: [Spridgets] NAS bolt question Message-ID: Hi list, My expensive (for me) Aircraft Spruce nut and bold order arrived today. Most of it is simply re-stocking except for a few things I ordered out of interest. One out of interest item was NAS1351C4H12 1/4-28 internal wrenching bolts (Allen head to me!). They are not only stainless steel but also drilled head for lock wiring and it just so turned out the correct size for the Titan belt drive back plate to front engine plate fastening - except they were a bit long so I had to cut them down. I only ordered 2 and need about 8 or so and can order the slightly shorter NAS1351C4H10. Ideally I'd like a slightly shorter size still. I'd also like a similar NAS stainless steel Allen head, preferably drilled for lock wiring in a much larger size - 3/8 UNF Allen cap x 1b under head - Just 2 for the the car and 3 for spares. Unfortunately I don't have a NAS part number for them and Aircraft Spruce don't do them. I want stainless as the existing bolts are rusting already after just over a year on the car and drilled head as I like to lock wire stuff where I can. Allen head as they are in a place where you can't use a spanner. I've done some googling on the small stuff to try and flush out a supplier but turned out a lot of aviation companies that wanted to quote - I guess for thousands if not tens of thousands. Any suggsted suppliers (not simply taken from anyone's place of work .....)? Thanks Weslake-Monza 1330 From conan at intrex.net Mon Dec 29 15:16:58 2008 From: conan at intrex.net (conan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Lift for Reverse WTF Message-ID: <200812291716.AA1744634010@intrex.net> My '61 Ford Anglia was the same way. :-) Ed in NC -- "It followed me home, Mother. Can I eat it?" - Ririt -- From wolf.brent at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 15:37:05 2008 From: wolf.brent at gmail.com (Brent Wolf) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:37:05 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Non LBC - Delete now - Dodge Dakota Question or the fall of US Car Manufacturer's Message-ID: <62b83300812291437p46e35185j5d8b5743eb50f081@mail.gmail.com> I am sorry about the Non LBC post. Has anyone replaced the front wheel bearings on a Dodge Dakota - about 2002 Model? According to parts houses, they are sealed so Replace entire hub assembly. So instead of $20 for bearings it is $200 for Hub assemblies. More environmental friendly manufacturing - Now there is a question - what is the environmental impact of the manufacture of the worthless sealed bearing front hub assembly compared to the 3 - 4 ounces of grease to lubricate the bearings? for What Stupid reason would any automotive engineer put sealed bearings on the front end of a 2 wd vehicle? Sealed bearings have a very limited life span and only for a very limited application - and neither one of those is the front end of a vehicle. Ask me if I care if Chrysler, Ford or Chevy survive? Again I apologize for the Non LBC post and the rant. From wmgilroy at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 18:05:19 2008 From: wmgilroy at gmail.com (Bill Gilroy) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:05:19 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Non LBC - Delete now - Dodge Dakota Question or the fall of US Car Manufacturer's In-Reply-To: <62b83300812291437p46e35185j5d8b5743eb50f081@mail.gmail.com> References: <62b83300812291437p46e35185j5d8b5743eb50f081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441250190812291705s555af30dw26d91f421a638cda@mail.gmail.com> Cost or ease of assembly on the line. -g On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Brent Wolf wrote: > I am sorry about the Non LBC post. > > > for What Stupid reason would any automotive engineer put sealed bearings on > the front end of a 2 wd vehicle? Sealed bearings have a very limited life > span and only for a very limited application - and neither one of those is > the front end of a vehicle. > > Ask me if I care if Chrysler, Ford or Chevy survive? > > Again I apologize for the Non LBC post and the rant. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wmgilroy at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From davriker at nwi.net Mon Dec 29 21:11:47 2008 From: davriker at nwi.net (David Riker) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:11:47 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Non LBC - Delete now - Dodge Dakota Question or the fall of US Car Manufacturer's References: <62b83300812291437p46e35185j5d8b5743eb50f081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If the Dakota had been equipped with traditional wheel bearings, they would have needed packed as a course of regular maintenance. Forget to pack them and they would have failed in under 50k miles. Sealed bearings do not need repacked. This reduces maintenance costs during the normal life cycle of the vehicle. Reduced projected maintenance equals more satisfied customer. I am guessing at two things, one, that you are not the original owner, and two, that the vehicle has in excess of 100k on the odometer. If both of those things are correct, then the engineer made the proper decision because: A) the NEW car buyer never had to have the wheel bearings packed, and B) the vehicle has reached the end of it's design life. Those won't be the ONLY things that need replacing if B is true. IF you are in fact the first owner, keep in mind that you have saved cost of paying the dealership $90 per hour to pack the wheel bearings every 15,000 miles, and apply that savings to the current repair. The truck is between 6 and 7 years old. By the time our Spridgets were 6 years old and had 130,000 miles on them they probably already had gone through two sets of front wheel bearings, 3 clutches, 5 sets of brake pads, a pair of tie rods, and at least one full engine rebuild. We don't call that poor engineering, we call it endearing. David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Wolf" To: "Spridgets" Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [Spridgets] Non LBC - Delete now - Dodge Dakota Question or the fall of US Car Manufacturer's >I am sorry about the Non LBC post. > > for What Stupid reason would any automotive engineer put sealed bearings > on > the front end of a 2 wd vehicle? Sealed bearings have a very limited life > span and only for a very limited application - and neither one of those is > the front end of a vehicle. > > Ask me if I care if Chrysler, Ford or Chevy survive? From mdrowe at optonline.net Tue Dec 30 07:38:19 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye kit in CA Message-ID: CA members check out http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/972551905.html. Whish I could. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From haynes386 at netzero.net Tue Dec 30 14:17:33 2008 From: haynes386 at netzero.net (Mark Haynes) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:17:33 GMT Subject: [Spridgets] NAS Bolt Question Message-ID: <20081230.141733.5835.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Daniel- Here's a web link to Thomasnet -They serve the engineers and whatnot- Used to print the Thomas Register every year or so, a list of manufacturers and suppliers. Copy and paste the whole of the URL to get there. I don't have the time to work my way through all of the possibilities. http://www.thomasnet.com/nsearch.html?cov=NA&what=Fasteners%3A+AN%2C+MS%2C+NA S%2C+NASM&heading=27595008&pg=1 Mark Haynes HAN6L12779 HAN5L8016 ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From flyfisha2181 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 18:38:39 2008 From: flyfisha2181 at yahoo.com (John Gosselin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:38:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Door plate studs Message-ID: <286381.16679.qm@web44802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know a source for the plate studs that attach the finisher on the top of the interior door panel for a 74 midget?? The plate itself measures about 1/2 by 11/16. I believe I need 5 per side. I can't seem to find them in Vic Brit. Thanks in advance. Goss in NH. 5" of white stuff expected on Wednesday!! From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 30 20:02:54 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:02:54 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS Message-ID: It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric car. So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. http://tinyurl.com/9moylj From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Tue Dec 30 20:35:20 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:35:20 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: Message-ID: <49E3FB3C4C1E4C418B6780E641520C05@midget> > It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric > car. > So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. > http://tinyurl.com/9moylj Hey, the Tesla beat the Elise in the drag race... Anyway, thinking of Top Gear as motoring journalism is like using Car Talk to fix your TD. From kevinv1275 at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 20:43:46 2008 From: kevinv1275 at gmail.com (Kevin Valentine) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:43:46 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Door plate studs In-Reply-To: <286381.16679.qm@web44802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <286381.16679.qm@web44802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:38 PM, John Gosselin wrote: > Does anyone know a source for the plate studs that attach the > finisher on the > top of the interior door panel for a 74 midget?? The plate itself > measures > about 1/2 by 11/16. I believe I need 5 per side. John, You only need 2 per side. Moss # 326-075 Look here; http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29329 Someone on the list can get them for you :) Kevin V. From bmwwxman at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 22:35:25 2008 From: bmwwxman at gmail.com (Jim Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:35:25 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <49E3FB3C4C1E4C418B6780E641520C05@midget> References: <49E3FB3C4C1E4C418B6780E641520C05@midget> Message-ID: <43840a7e0812302135k5572e330n36bcfdedbc427a51@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:35 PM, David Lieb wrote: > > > Anyway, thinking of Top Gear as motoring journalism is like using Car Talk > to fix your TD. I like Top Gear as a comedy show. I wouldn't trust their motoring evaluations any farther than I could throw my Spridget. If you are looking for truth and knowledge, what the hell are you doing with the TV turned on anyway?! -- Cheers!! Jim "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson From dlh2001 at comcast.net Wed Dec 31 00:37:59 2008 From: dlh2001 at comcast.net (Dean Hedin) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rivergate thoughts... Message-ID: <6F6E54429C334D4980DB2E418744F70B@blackbox2> I put my rivergate conversion into the car today. I thought I would lay down some tips for others. This is on a 59 bugeye. YMMV. 1) I mentioned this previously, if you have a soldered on oil cover, order the other cover as indicated in the instructions. This probably only applies to 948 folks. 1) The new u joint bearing has no grease zirt. However there is a set screw there. I called Rivergate and they said that if you can get a zirt in there without interfering with anything then go ahead. I decided not to put the zirt in. But if I ever wanted to I could put a zirt in there to grease the bearing and then put the set screw back. 2) That rear tranny mount is a b*tch. After a lotta swearing I ended up bending the side ears out and putting a little grease on the top of the rubber pad and it finally went in. One mod I might consider if I was doing this over would be to grind the sides of the plate that mounts to the tranny. There is no need for the sides of this plate to have a V shape of the tunnel and those edges only get in the way when your trying to insert the lower portion of the mount. 3) The urethane bushings in the shifter are too soft. They are easily damaged while you are putting the shifter in. I turned some new bushings out of Delrin. Much nicer. Very precise now. 4) If your using the stock slave cylinder, the instructions indicate grinding the top lug at a 45 degree angle to clear the frame. You will need to grind more than the instruction indicate, like another 1/16th of an inch. Mine is close and I think I will have to try to get a grinding disc in there to take additional material off. 5) The bugeye shifter cover interferes. I wish to keep the original look of this cover. I had a few ideas, none of which I have yet attempted. a) Short throw conversion. This would be tough, not sure I can do this with the tranny in the car. This would entail welding extensions to the side ears of the striking guide and drilling a new hole to establish a new fulcrum point. I would then turn a new shift stick to match up to this. Has anyone tried something like this already? It's a lot of work but boy it would make the shifter feel much closer to the original. b) I had rivergate cut and weld the shift stick. I might cut that weld and re-weld it myself. The stick hits the front of the cover when it goes into 1st and 5th. There seems to be plenty of clearance on the back side ( 2nd and 4th). c) Mod the cover to drop it down, by removing a section out of it and then braze it back together. d) Mod the cover to have a larger and/or offset hole. e) Maybe a combination of c and d. d) The stock rubber shift boot is out of the question. However I think I can make a reasonable imitation out of a more pliable rubber that would accommodate the larger throw. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Dec 31 03:19:21 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:19:21 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS Message-ID: It wouldn't surprise me. I've seen the Tesla running at a test track and it seemed to run for quite a while. Top Car TV show and the presenters often distort facts for entertainment. I was at the 24hr race at which they competed and the live coveraged that showed in a TVR on fire 'as the race wore on etc the rate of atrition, etc' actually occurred the day before in night practice. I don't find much of the show very entertaining but it's worth watching some of it for the odd gem. Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 31/12/2008 03:04:34 GMT Standard Time, ladaniels at sbcglobal.net writes: It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric car. So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. From grday at btinternet.com Wed Dec 31 03:20:35 2008 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:20:35 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: Message-ID: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> If we are lucky, Tesla will either get an injunction and stop the show or, they will sue the ass off Clarkson. It was a deliberate attempt to fault the car, they couldn't do it in the test track time so they faked it. WELCOME to Top Gear........, you do believe everything you see don't you? All the best for the New Year to ALL Guy R Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Spridgets List" ; "MG List" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:02 AM Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS > It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric > car. > So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. > > > http://tinyurl.com/9moylj > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grday at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 31 06:09:12 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:09:12 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> Message-ID: <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY DAY" To: "Larry Daniels" ; "Spridgets List" ; "MG List" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS If we are lucky, Tesla will either get an injunction and stop the show or, they will sue the ass off Clarkson. It was a deliberate attempt to fault the car, they couldn't do it in the test track time so they faked it. WELCOME to Top Gear........, you do believe everything you see don't you? All the best for the New Year to ALL Guy R Day ======================= Finally, somebody understands why I was POed at these guys. Tesla Motors is a business that sells a product. These "clowns" deliberately distorted the product causing harm to Tesla. Whether Top Gear is a serious car show or simply entertainment, they should still get their asses sued off. Larry Daniels From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 31 06:31:39 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:31:39 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> Message-ID: <8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget> > Whether Top Gear is a serious car show or > simply entertainment, they should still get their asses sued off. Larry, Tesla got treated pretty well for an American company. TG has figured out that, since they did not start a war or get shot (more likely) during their tour of the US Southeast a couple years ago, they obviously lead a charmed life. Tesla should have taken a page from Chrysler and told TG that if they want to test one, they need to buy it first. I disagree with your conclusion that TG harmed the company. You would be surprised at the number of viewers that are quite capable of watching that show and seeing the reality of the car rather than the perception Jemmy was throwing out. Besides, as the guy said years ago, all publicity is good publicity; Tesla could not have gotten more exposure than that from any other show and it WILL benefit them far more than a lawsuit would. David Lieb From grunthaner at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 08:05:13 2008 From: grunthaner at gmail.com (Linda Grunthaner) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:05:13 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye kit in CA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205cef430812310705te32b8bva1a19953e9709412@mail.gmail.com> Go for it : ) Lin On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Michael Rowe wrote: > CA members check out > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/972551905.html. Whish I could. > > Michael Rowe > '74 Midget > Long Island, NY > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grunthaner at gmail.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From thcollin at mtu.edu Wed Dec 31 09:45:25 2008 From: thcollin at mtu.edu (Timothy H. Collins) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:45:25 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Here goes Nancy Pelosi. . . Car content Message-ID: <78mg19$5hptr9@email.mtu.edu> From: http://www.autobloggreen.com/page/2/ December 30th. Here's your chance to trade that old Spridget clunker in for a new car - and get paid to do your part to "save" the environment! LOL I'm sure this is a priority for the Nation. Quote from AutoBlogGreen: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has announced plans to introduce legislation on the first day of the new Congressional session that would provide funds that would be used to pay people for taking old cars off the road. The "cash for clunkers" approach is intended to get older cars crushed, with economic and environmental goals in mind. The economic part would be part of a stimulus package by putting cash in people's hands so that they can presumably by (Sic) new cars instead. Tim Collins http://www.flickr.com/photos/12702006 at N07/ From mdrowe at optonline.net Wed Dec 31 09:51:37 2008 From: mdrowe at optonline.net (Michael Rowe) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:51:37 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget> References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> <8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget> Message-ID: <3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home> > it WILL benefit them far more than a lawsuit would. I doubt that. A lawsuit will give them a chance to parade their wares for weeks in front of the media. It will reach everyone instead of just car junkies. Michael Rowe '74 Midget Long Island, NY From pythias at pacifier.com Wed Dec 31 09:59:44 2008 From: pythias at pacifier.com (Bill L) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:59:44 -0800 Subject: [Spridgets] Rivergate thoughts... In-Reply-To: <6F6E54429C334D4980DB2E418744F70B@blackbox2> References: <6F6E54429C334D4980DB2E418744F70B@blackbox2> Message-ID: <1089166511.20081231085944@pacifier.com> Hello Dean, I cut the maximum of the can to lower it. It's right at 1" then a new base was welded on (instead of using the old one) Then we filled in the hole completely and move it forward about 5/8", again the max possible. The hole was put in oversized to fit the boot rubber from a Healey 100/6. This is with the offset welded stick already. When people look in they sometimes catch that something is different, but no one has yet to put their finger on just what it is other than the different boot. my FIRST solution was to get a generic gaiter and use the ring from the later Spridgets to hold it down, but I too wanted it to "seem" original... YMMV! (Oh i have the Morris Service kit) I know I know,.. no attachements to the list.. but Dean get's his pic! -- Best regards, Bill L. mailto:pythias at pacifier.com '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403 "the red thing" The subliminal message for today is. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0766.JPG] From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 10:24:22 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:24:22 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home> References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> <8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget> <3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812310924m7fc03940va7fa9bab64cdb17f@mail.gmail.com> They already have the show, now a lawsuit would just be MORE publicity. Dateline NBC planted a bomb in a truck to show how the trucks can possibly explode in accidents and instead of being punished went on to air even more shows. If you want truth in journalism you'd better read Grass Roots Motorsports, and even that with a grain of salt, so to speak. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 31 10:12:59 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:12:59 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330><62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry><8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget> <3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home> Message-ID: <7E08F7922D844C7FB81C3EFE0A3668B1@NilesAD.von.gov> >> it WILL benefit them far more than a lawsuit would. > > I doubt that. A lawsuit will give them a chance to parade their wares for > weeks in front of the media. It will reach everyone instead of just car > junkies. Hardly. Lawsuits simply propagate more misinformation. The number of people who would actually hear of the lawsuit is a tiny percentage of the number of people who watch Top Gear. Don't get me wrong, Tesla is doing a wonderful thing by building a vehicle that capitalizes on the benefits of electric motors (flat torque curve, etc.) and uses current (NPI) technology to get around some weaknesses of other EVs. I just don't think the company's viability was negatively impacted by TG. Yes, I did watch that episode. I will have to go back and watch it again to try to figure out what Larry is going on about. I was delighted to see the Tesla getting some exposure on the show. David Lieb From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 11:48:34 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:48:34 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812310924m7fc03940va7fa9bab64cdb17f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> <8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget> <3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home> <5f00d9910812310924m7fc03940va7fa9bab64cdb17f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812311048h20f766acr30ff97952bfc1317@mail.gmail.com> And, yes, I typed the post about NBC before I read the article where the NYTimes compared the two events, too. From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 31 12:23:47 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:23:47 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330><62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry><8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget><3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home> <7E08F7922D844C7FB81C3EFE0A3668B1@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <2108574B5BBD4B658B706E8400CAE578@NilesAD.von.gov> Reading the stuff on the internet from Top Gear, Tesla, and the NYT, Tesla would not even begin to have a case in court. I love the way that Tesla states that the charge level never dropped below 20%... as if someone was going to get another 150 miles out of that 20%. Yes, TG was somewhat misleading, but the statements from Tesla were JUST as misleading. Telling us that people who have these in their garages (exactly who would that be anyway, since they aren't available yet?) have special chargers that allow them to recharge "in as little as 3.5 hours" rather than the 16 hours stated by TG. Of course, TG was not supplied with one of these, so it WOULD have taken them 16 hrs to recharge. The fact that TG states that the Tesla would give 55 miles of track thrashing where most other EVs won't give you 55 miles of driving at all on a charge says a LOT for the Tesla. Of course, I have a bit of experience with laptop batteries, so I will not be queueing up any time soon for a Tesla anyway. David Lieb From derf247 at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 12:48:23 2008 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:48:23 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <2108574B5BBD4B658B706E8400CAE578@NilesAD.von.gov> References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> <8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget> <3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home> <7E08F7922D844C7FB81C3EFE0A3668B1@NilesAD.von.gov> <2108574B5BBD4B658B706E8400CAE578@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <5f00d9910812311148v6b25ecbq182e0c0d25e4e5f6@mail.gmail.com> TG was kinda hard on the Mustang, too, IIRC, and the Ford Truck they tested. They also raced a Miata (MX-5) against a dog. So, call them entertainment and you'll be OK. From guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 31 12:55:27 2008 From: guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk (Guy Weller) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:55:27 -0000 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <7E08F7922D844C7FB81C3EFE0A3668B1@NilesAD.von.gov> Message-ID: <91E2E7FEDCFE4E4DAECC6D224B139700@GuyLaptop> That "episode" was released in the UK some months ago. If you watch it regularly you get the hang of what cars are in favour and which ones are not. Despite the " running out of electrickery" bit, the Tesla was promoted very favourably. Certainly without TG I would have been completely unaware of the Tesla vehicle. As they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity. The programme is never intended as a "consumer report" on what to buy and what not to buy. Very few of the cars "tested" are on the average viewers' shopping list. It is all just for fun and entertainment. Guy -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of David Lieb Sent: 31 December 2008 17:13 To: Michael Rowe; Spridget List Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS >> it WILL benefit them far more than a lawsuit would. > > I doubt that. A lawsuit will give them a chance to parade their wares for > weeks in front of the media. It will reach everyone instead of just car > junkies. Hardly. Lawsuits simply propagate more misinformation. The number of people who would actually hear of the lawsuit is a tiny percentage of the number of people who watch Top Gear. Don't get me wrong, Tesla is doing a wonderful thing by building a vehicle that capitalizes on the benefits of electric motors (flat torque curve, etc.) and uses current (NPI) technology to get around some weaknesses of other EVs. I just don't think the company's viability was negatively impacted by TG. Yes, I did watch that episode. I will have to go back and watch it again to try to figure out what Larry is going on about. I was delighted to see the Tesla getting some exposure on the show. David Lieb You are subscribed as guy.weller at tiscali.co.uk http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com Wed Dec 31 13:03:55 2008 From: dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com (David Lieb) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:03:55 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: <91E2E7FEDCFE4E4DAECC6D224B139700@GuyLaptop> Message-ID: > That "episode" was released in the UK some months ago. If you watch it > regularly you get the hang of what cars are in favour and which ones are > not. Despite the " running out of electrickery" bit, the Tesla was > promoted > very favourably. Certainly without TG I would have been completely > unaware > of the Tesla vehicle. As they say, there is no such thing as bad > publicity. > > The programme is never intended as a "consumer report" on what to buy and > what not to buy. Very few of the cars "tested" are on the average viewers' > shopping list. It is all just for fun and entertainment. Guy, Might want to check your calendar. According to the Top Gear website, this was the Seaon 12 Episode 7 that originally aired on 14 December 2008. David "keeping his calendar wound" Lieb From heard at datatrontech.net Wed Dec 31 13:48:32 2008 From: heard at datatrontech.net (Heard) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:48:32 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <5f00d9910812311148v6b25ecbq182e0c0d25e4e5f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330><62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry><8BE10AD116F14DCDA9274A3F992B25E3@midget><3EC68E8CAB314424A53ACA48A7A3A2F7@Home><7E08F7922D844C7FB81C3EFE0A3668B1@NilesAD.von.gov><2108574B5BBD4B658B706E8400CAE578@NilesAD.von.gov> <5f00d9910812311148v6b25ecbq182e0c0d25e4e5f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <024701c96b89$24a7ad30$0202fea9@xp> 'They also raced a Miata (MX-5) against a dog. ' Hmmmm...I'd like to race a 9mm against my neighbors cats. From WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com Wed Dec 31 14:22:11 2008 From: WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com (WeslakeMonza1330 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:22:11 EST Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS Message-ID: When I last said that I got into deep S**t and lost a technical argument on the basis that I don't fully understand electricky Weslake-Monza 1330 In a message dated 31/12/2008 18:03:25 GMT Standard Time, dbl at chicagolandmgclub.com writes: the benefits of electric motors (flat torque curve, etc.) From spritenut at comcast.net Wed Dec 31 14:24:56 2008 From: spritenut at comcast.net (Frank Clarici) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Rivergate thoughts... In-Reply-To: <6F6E54429C334D4980DB2E418744F70B@blackbox2> References: <6F6E54429C334D4980DB2E418744F70B@blackbox2> Message-ID: <495BE328.3080509@comcast.net> I am using the stock shifter can in the original location. I did have to cut a slight curve out of it where 1st gears hits and another curve where reverse hits. The hole now looks egg shaped. If you purchase an MGB shift gaiter, it fits in the egg hole, is accordian, not cupped like the Sprite gaiter, but it looks fine, works great and is available at your favorite LBC parts dealer. I think this beats the witches hat approach. -- Frank Clarici Toms River, NJ From lee.fox at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 31 15:20:30 2008 From: lee.fox at sbcglobal.net (Lee Fox) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:20:30 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495BF02E.40403@sbcglobal.net> I'm four episodes behind on the current BBC2 season so tomorrow is a "Top Gear Marathon" for me between bowl games. Happy New Year to all! Lee ---------------------- Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS From: "Larry Daniels" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:02:54 -0600 To: "Spridgets List" , "MG List" It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric car. So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. http://tinyurl.com/9moylj From a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au Wed Dec 31 21:31:36 2008 From: a_d_webster at yahoo.com.au (Andy Webster) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:31:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS Message-ID: <997835.26045.qm@web50612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> B I had always assumed they payedB Clarkson to act a complete d!ckhead. Cases in point: building a section of road, assembling a Seven from kit form. Did anyone else want to punch him in the face during these two episodes? I don't take him seriously. B Andy >>>>>>>>> You would be surprised at the number of viewers that are quite capable of watching that show and seeing the reality of the car rather than the perception Jemmy was throwing out. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox