From doug at dougbraun.com  Mon Dec  3 20:09:48 2012
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:09:48 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Touching up black stainless steel trim
Message-ID: <CAOtbU9U7FOf8cyJzS_mmUcXTLqRYQ-r2-=n4YosVV9ZtMkHV8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On my car, one of the black-finished stainless steel pieces that go over
the rear fender seams has gotten scratched, and the shiny bare metal shows
in the scratches.  Does anybody know a good way to touch up that finish?

The other unscratched piece is in perfect condition- I am surprised how
well that finish has held up over the years.

Thanks,
Doug

From doug at dougbraun.com  Tue Dec  4 11:54:52 2012
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:54:52 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(
Message-ID: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I had decided to keep my original windshield as I repainted my car, but
today I managed to bust it while trying to improve its fit in the car.

So I definitely need a replacement squaretail windshield.  Any suggestions?
I live in central NJ.

Thanks,
Doug

From doug at dougbraun.com  Tue Dec  4 12:25:56 2012
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOtbU9WiDZbTUtbBz4Ht0mE2_WvkfxQvvp-V7Nd6PGDAae-BdQ@mail.gmail.com>

BTW, can a normal glass shop get a Spit windshield of acceptable quality,
for an acceptable price?

Thanks,
Doug


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Doug Braun <doug at dougbraun.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I had decided to keep my original windshield as I repainted my car, but
> today I managed to bust it while trying to improve its fit in the car.
>
> So I definitely need a replacement squaretail windshield.  Any suggestions?
> I live in central NJ.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug

From nmoseley at telus.net  Tue Dec  4 14:13:12 2012
From: nmoseley at telus.net (Nick Moseley)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:13:12 -0800
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201cdd264$30caebe0$9260c3a0$@net>

Doug, are you in a hurry?
I have a buddy (in NJ) who has access to a collector who is getting out of
Spitfires. He may have a windshield amongst the hoard. My buddy is out of
town (and out of touch) for a few days, so it may take a while to confirm
availability.

Nick Moseley
Metro Vancouver

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Braun
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:55 AM
To: Spitfire Group
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(

Hello,

I had decided to keep my original windshield as I repainted my car, but
today I managed to bust it while trying to improve its fit in the car.

So I definitely need a replacement squaretail windshield.  Any suggestions?
I live in central NJ.

Thanks,
Doug
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Dec  4 14:52:55 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:52:55 -0600
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86D31622AE694F7F8A9EDE972984EC4F@Datsun>

I believe a tr6 windshield, which I think also means tr4/tr4a, is the same. 
I know the tr6 windshield is available new.  and there are numerous parts 
cars and people parting them out.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Braun
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:54 PM
To: Spitfire Group
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(

Hello,

I had decided to keep my original windshield as I repainted my car, but
today I managed to bust it while trying to improve its fit in the car.

So I definitely need a replacement squaretail windshield.  Any suggestions?
I live in central NJ.

Thanks,
Doug 

From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Dec  4 14:55:26 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:55:26 -0600
Subject: [Spits] 1975 i think
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B981FAF0FD394E7FA785B6FFF0D34FA9@Datsun>

my car is ostensibly a 75.  and below the blue is a different blue, and 
below that, at least in some places, is white.  and the inside of the bonnet 
is brown.  that means the bonnet is a replacement, right?  and how do I tell 
what production year it is?  and what color it really was.

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Dec  4 15:12:25 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:12:25 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(
In-Reply-To: <86D31622AE694F7F8A9EDE972984EC4F@Datsun>
References: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<86D31622AE694F7F8A9EDE972984EC4F@Datsun>
Message-ID: <50BE7549.8030109@bradakis.com>

Dave wrote:
> I believe a tr6 windshield, which I think also means tr4/tr4a, is the 
> same. I know the tr6 windshield is available new.  and there are 
> numerous parts cars and people parting them out.
The TR4-6 windshield fits roundtails, not squaretails.

mjb.

From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Dec  4 16:13:30 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 16:13:30 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(
In-Reply-To: <86D31622AE694F7F8A9EDE972984EC4F@Datsun>
References: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<86D31622AE694F7F8A9EDE972984EC4F@Datsun>
Message-ID: <6B93E273EC2E48498A3EAD8925A7497E@Vista>

The TR6 and TR4 windshields will fit a Roundtail Spit but not the MkIV and
1500.  Those are different.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:53 PM
To: Spitfire Group
Subject: Re: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(

I believe a tr6 windshield, which I think also means tr4/tr4a, is the same. 
I know the tr6 windshield is available new.  and there are numerous parts 
cars and people parting them out.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Braun
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:54 PM
To: Spitfire Group
Subject: [Spits] Busted my windshield :-(

Hello,

I had decided to keep my original windshield as I repainted my car, but
today I managed to bust it while trying to improve its fit in the car.

So I definitely need a replacement squaretail windshield.  Any suggestions?
I live in central NJ.

Thanks,
Doug 
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From doug at dougbraun.com  Tue Dec  4 16:48:47 2012
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 18:48:47 -0500
Subject: [Spits] 1975 i think
In-Reply-To: <B981FAF0FD394E7FA785B6FFF0D34FA9@Datsun>
References: <CAOtbU9Up9v8OVzW51BFGSabXixRQCz2XYWeWsgj-312-z0q2pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B981FAF0FD394E7FA785B6FFF0D34FA9@Datsun>
Message-ID: <CAOtbU9Xc7xRhH2b8vRo-a3ZVhtUVZdcVgc_ikkkbrWm1tpQH4g@mail.gmail.com>

Some time after 1972, they added some stuff to the rear edge of the hood to
keep it from guillotining you in a crash.  That's the only thing
I know that changed on the bonnet over the squaretail production history.

Doug


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> my car is ostensibly a 75.  and below the blue is a different blue, and
> below that, at least in some places, is white.  and the inside of the
> bonnet is brown.  that means the bonnet is a replacement, right?  and how
> do I tell what production year it is?  and what color it really was.
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From doug at dougbraun.com  Tue Dec  4 17:38:03 2012
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 19:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Spits] 1975 i think
In-Reply-To: <2h9mdsd8m334xu32po7hcl6i.1354667183082@email.android.com>
References: <2h9mdsd8m334xu32po7hcl6i.1354667183082@email.android.com>
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Is that a piece of sheet metal with a L-shaped cross section?  My '72 has
that.

Doug


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Dan Parrott <parrotthead1957 at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> I've had several Spit Bonnets.  A couple of them have a stiffener that
> bolts to the cross brace, about 4 feet long.  Was this item ever stock?

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Dec  9 11:30:38 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:30:38 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Archive search
Message-ID: <50C4D8CE.9040600@bradakis.com>

It should be working better.

Link below.

mjb.

From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Dec 16 13:17:46 2012
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:17:46 -0600
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
Message-ID: <50CE2C6A.8060805@rmi.net>

Hi All,


I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top 
timing cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.  
Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.

Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the screw, 
and I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the bracket does 
not allow room for one.

Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?

I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best 
solution.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott
80 Spitfire

From wrgingerich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 14:31:59 2012
From: wrgingerich at gmail.com (Bill Gingerich)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:31:59 -0600
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
In-Reply-To: <50CE2C6A.8060805@rmi.net>
References: <50CE2C6A.8060805@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <000b01cddbd4$c8cd2650$5a6772f0$@com>

I think I put a helicoil in the block on mine.
BillG

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:18 PM
To: Spitfire list
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw

Hi All,


I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top timing
cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.  
Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.

Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the screw, and
I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the bracket does not allow
room for one.

Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?

I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best
solution.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott
80 Spitfire
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Dec 16 17:10:06 2012
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:10:06 -0600
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
In-Reply-To: <000b01cddbd4$c8cd2650$5a6772f0$@com>
References: <50CE2C6A.8060805@rmi.net> <000b01cddbd4$c8cd2650$5a6772f0$@com>
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Hi All,

Several people have suggested Helicoils, which I mus confess I did not 
think of.

The engine front plate is only about .160 inches thick, whereas the 
helicoil is about .320 inches deep.

Would the depth difference cause a problem?

Thanks,
Roger Elliott

On 12/16/2012 03:31 PM, Bill Gingerich wrote:
> I think I put a helicoil in the block on mine.
> BillG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: Spitfire list
> Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top timing
> cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.
> Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.
>
> Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the screw, and
> I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the bracket does not allow
> room for one.
>
> Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?
>
> I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best
> solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
> 80 Spitfire
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sun Dec 16 17:26:18 2012
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:26:18 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
In-Reply-To: <50CE62DE.2030504@rmi.net>
References: <50CE2C6A.8060805@rmi.net>
	<000b01cddbd4$c8cd2650$5a6772f0$@com> <50CE62DE.2030504@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <002201cddbed$21f88680$65e99380$@charter.net>

A link below will take you to the McMaster Carr catalog where they list
various thread inserts. Naturally, most of those repair methods involve
special tools for insertion.Not sure if there is enough room for these or
not. Sounds like a heli-coil is out of the question based on the plate
thickness. Is there room to use a jam nut (skinny nut) on the back of the
plate?

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-rivet-nuts/=kmgbbf 

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:10 PM
To: 'Spitfire list'
Subject: Re: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw

Hi All,

Several people have suggested Helicoils, which I mus confess I did not think
of.

The engine front plate is only about .160 inches thick, whereas the helicoil
is about .320 inches deep.

Would the depth difference cause a problem?

Thanks,
Roger Elliott

On 12/16/2012 03:31 PM, Bill Gingerich wrote:
> I think I put a helicoil in the block on mine.
> BillG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: Spitfire list
> Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top 
> timing cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.
> Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.
>
> Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the 
> screw, and I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the 
> bracket does not allow room for one.
>
> Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?
>
> I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best 
> solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
> 80 Spitfire
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From wrgingerich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 19:29:06 2012
From: wrgingerich at gmail.com (Bill Gingerich)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:29:06 -0600
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
In-Reply-To: <002201cddbed$21f88680$65e99380$@charter.net>
References: <50CE2C6A.8060805@rmi.net>
	<000b01cddbd4$c8cd2650$5a6772f0$@com> <50CE62DE.2030504@rmi.net>
	<002201cddbed$21f88680$65e99380$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <001401cddbfe$4a8cf3e0$dfa6dba0$@com>

Is there any room to tap a thread in the block behind the plate?  I just
don't remember.  Another idea is you could drill out the plate, and weld a
threaded insert into the larger hole.  Perhaps enlarge the hole in the
alternator bracket to fit around the insert.  That would give you a longer
thread for the bolt to go into.  Not sure how much torque a .160 long thread
would hold.

Thinking back, it was one of the other front plate holes that I helicoiled.
Maybe the sealing block?

BillG

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex&Janet Thomson
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:26 PM
To: 'Roger Elliott'; 'Spitfire list'
Subject: Re: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw

A link below will take you to the McMaster Carr catalog where they list
various thread inserts. Naturally, most of those repair methods involve
special tools for insertion.Not sure if there is enough room for these or
not. Sounds like a heli-coil is out of the question based on the plate
thickness. Is there room to use a jam nut (skinny nut) on the back of the
plate?

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-rivet-nuts/=kmgbbf 

Alex Thomson

From george.parker2012 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 17 12:05:34 2012
From: george.parker2012 at comcast.net (George Parker)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:05:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
Message-ID: <799847670.1401353.1355771134932.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I'm trying to remember the configuration here...B  But if I recall correctly,
the mounting bracket in question mounts right behind the stripped out screw
hole??B  CanB one long bolt be put through the timing cover, front plate
(where the threads are stripped) and the mounting bracket?B  Just a thought...


v/r,

George P.

From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Dec 17 12:10:11 2012
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Spitfires Digest, Vol 6,
 Issue 103 Timing Cover Screw  Stripped
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1355770802.27827.spitfires@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1355770802.27827.spitfires@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <50CF6E13.1000501@charter.net>

Roger
If you buy a helicoil thread repair kit for that size thread you will 
find that half the inserts are half the depth of the standard thread insert.
I think it's 5/16"x20 or 1/4"x 20.
I've run into this problem on my Spit racer and many engines I have 
rebuilt in the last couple of years.
It worked on my race car.  If their are any threads proud of the 
surface, grind them off.
Everything you need to do the thread repair other than the drill is in 
the kit.

Another fix would be to fill the hole with weld, re-drill and tap.
It's a bit difficult to drill the weld however.

Glenn



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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:17:46 -0600
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
To: Spitfire list <spitfires at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
Message-ID: <50CE2C6A.8060805 at rmi.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi All,


I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top
timing cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.
Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.

Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the screw,
and I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the bracket does
not allow room for one.

Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?

I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best
solution.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott
80 Spitfire


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:31:59 -0600
From: "Bill Gingerich" <wrgingerich at gmail.com>
To: "'Roger Elliott'" <elliottr at rmi.net>, "'Spitfire list'"
	<spitfires at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
Message-ID: <000b01cddbd4$c8cd2650$5a6772f0$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I think I put a helicoil in the block on mine.
BillG

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:18 PM
To: Spitfire list
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw

Hi All,


I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top timing
cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.
Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.

Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the screw, and
I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the bracket does not allow
room for one.

Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?

I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best
solution.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott
80 Spitfire

From elliottr at rmi.net  Mon Dec 17 13:44:38 2012
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:44:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
Message-ID: <26719040.1355777078733.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi George,

The bracket is right behind the hole, but it is cast iron and fairly deep.  If I was good enough, I could probably drill a hole in the bracket and tap it for the screw, but I don't trust that I would get it lined up well enough.

There is some space right beind the screw hole to allow the screw to poke through.  I am thinking of enlarging that space so I can get a nut in there.

Thanks,
Roger


-----Original Message-----
>From: George Parker <george.parker2012 at comcast.net>
>Sent: Dec 17, 2012 1:05 PM
>To: spitfires at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
>
>I'm trying to remember the configuration here...B  But if I recall correctly,
>the mounting bracket in question mounts right behind the stripped out screw
>hole??B  CanB one long bolt be put through the timing cover, front plate
>(where the threads are stripped) and the mounting bracket?B  Just a thought...
>
>
>v/r,
>
>George P.
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Mon Dec 17 19:14:24 2012
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:14:24 -0600
Subject: [Spits] Spitfires Digest, Vol 6,
 Issue 103 Timing Cover  Screw Stripped
In-Reply-To: <50CF6E13.1000501@charter.net>
References: <mailman.15.1355770802.27827.spitfires@autox.team.net>
	<50CF6E13.1000501@charter.net>
Message-ID: <50CFD180.5020502@rmi.net>

Thank you everyone that made suggestions on what to do.

I decided to start with the Helicoil solution as I had the items 
necessary and figured if it did not work, I could go to plan B.

I put the Helicoil in and it is holding fine.

Thanks Everyone!

Roger Elliott
On 12/17/2012 01:10 PM, Glenn Franco wrote:
> Roger
> If you buy a helicoil thread repair kit for that size thread you will 
> find that half the inserts are half the depth of the standard thread 
> insert.
> I think it's 5/16"x20 or 1/4"x 20.
> I've run into this problem on my Spit racer and many engines I have 
> rebuilt in the last couple of years.
> It worked on my race car.  If their are any threads proud of the 
> surface, grind them off.
> Everything you need to do the thread repair other than the drill is in 
> the kit.
>
> Another fix would be to fill the hole with weld, re-drill and tap.
> It's a bit difficult to drill the weld however.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:17:46 -0600
> From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
> To: Spitfire list <spitfires at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
> Message-ID: <50CE2C6A.8060805 at rmi.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top
> timing cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.
> Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.
>
> Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the screw,
> and I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the bracket does
> not allow room for one.
>
> Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?
>
> I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best
> solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
> 80 Spitfire
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:31:59 -0600
> From: "Bill Gingerich" <wrgingerich at gmail.com>
> To: "'Roger Elliott'" <elliottr at rmi.net>, "'Spitfire list'"
>     <spitfires at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
> Message-ID: <000b01cddbd4$c8cd2650$5a6772f0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I think I put a helicoil in the block on mine.
> BillG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:18 PM
> To: Spitfire list
> Subject: [Spits] Top Timing cover Screw
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am putting my engine back together.  One of the screws at the top 
> timing
> cover, is held in by the the front engine plate being threaded.
> Right behind that screw is the mounting bracket for the alternator.
>
> Well, the threads in the engine plate are to stripped to hold the 
> screw, and
> I can't put a nut on the backside of the plate as the bracket does not 
> allow
> room for one.
>
> Has anyone else run into this problem?  Did you find a solution?
>
> I have thought about using JB Weld, but I am not sure it is the best
> solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
> 80 Spitfire
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