From ccullen16 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 1 09:57:58 2010 From: ccullen16 at cogeco.ca (ccullen16 at cogeco.ca) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:57:58 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Indicator electrical question Message-ID: <4c7e7806.28.1813.13128@cogeco.ca> Thanks for the reply. Yes I have power going to the switch, which is what made me think that the problem is somewhere at the switch. As an aside - one of the things that confuses me though is that the electrical diagram that shows power being brought to the hazard switch for the turn indicator circuit also shows that there is an additional wire attached to the same prong on the hazard switch that then goes to the brake light circuit. My car isn't set up like that. Thanks Jim > Have you got power on the green wire going into the switch from the fuse? > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. From ccullen16 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 1 10:11:13 2010 From: ccullen16 at cogeco.ca (ccullen16 at cogeco.ca) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Indicator electrical question Message-ID: <4c7e7b21.296.6e54.14308@cogeco.ca> took a closer look at the Mk IV diagram you sent. That is more like how my car is set up. Maybe I've been looking at the wrong one in the Haynes. Thanks Again, Jim > As an aside - one of the things that confuses me though is that the electrical diagram that shows power being brought > to the hazard switch for the turn indicator circuit also shows that there is an additional wire attached to the same > prong on the hazard switch that then goes to the brake light circuit. My car isn't set up like that. From elliottr at rmi.net Wed Sep 1 21:14:48 2010 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:14:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Spits] Smoke? in the exhaust Message-ID: <12861426.1283397288766.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Everyone, I did some head work on my 80 Spitfire recently. Everything seemed to be fine for about 200 miles. Then I decided to adjust the timing a little - it had been set at about 0 TDC. I moved it to about 8BTDC. When I took it for a drive, it overheated some. Then I saw did some checking. There was some antifreeze in the number 4 cylinder. Ok there was a lot of antifreeze in the cylinder, some may have gone it the evaporative canister. So I took the head off and there appeared to be a small split in the head gasket by the #4 cylinder. I think that the rings in the gasket that are supposed to seat in around the cylinder may not have been in the grooves. I bought a new head gasket (FelPro this time) and looked over both the block and the head. Both seemed fine. Then I put everything back together. Now there is smoke coming out of the exhaust. It appears to be white. I just checked the compression - the cylinders checked out at 182 190 190 190 and seems to be running fine. So finally my question, could the smoke be from water that got into the exhaust system or being pulled out of the canister? I hope I hope! Or am I in big trouble? What else should I look at? Thanks, Roger Elliott From fishplate at charter.net Thu Sep 2 16:27:43 2010 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:27:43 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Smoke? in the exhaust In-Reply-To: <12861426.1283397288766.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12861426.1283397288766.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <707D2FC87A8942B49FDC92FFBBA36436@M4A> > Then I put everything back together. Now there is smoke coming out of the > exhaust. It appears to be white. White smoke is almost always water - or antifreeze. If it's residual, it should disappear pretty quick. If not, I reckon you still have a gasket issue. From cleoburyp at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 21:22:57 2010 From: cleoburyp at gmail.com (Cleobury Phil) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:22:57 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Smoke? in the exhaust In-Reply-To: <707D2FC87A8942B49FDC92FFBBA36436@M4A> References: <12861426.1283397288766.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <707D2FC87A8942B49FDC92FFBBA36436@M4A> Message-ID: <4C806A11.9060206@gmail.com> It most obviously fumata bianca! On 9/2/2010 6:27 PM, Jeff wrote: >> Then I put everything back together. Now there is smoke coming out >> of the exhaust. It appears to be white. > > White smoke is almost always water - or antifreeze. If it's residual, > it should disappear pretty quick. If not, I reckon you still have a > gasket issue. _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/cleoburyp at gmail.com -- Regards Cleobury P From elliottr at rmi.net Wed Sep 8 18:30:24 2010 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:30:24 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Smoke? in the exhaust In-Reply-To: <707D2FC87A8942B49FDC92FFBBA36436@M4A> References: <12861426.1283397288766.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <707D2FC87A8942B49FDC92FFBBA36436@M4A> Message-ID: <4C882AA0.9000106@rmi.net> Thanks to everyone that responded. Jeff, Michael, et al. I was lucky, the smoke must have been from antifreeze in the exhaust. I pressurized the radiator to 13 lbs. It had only dropped about 2 pounds in over 1 1/2 hours. I also drove the Spitfire for about 100 miles without any smoke, so hopefully I am good to go now. Thanks again everyone. Roger Elliott Jeff wrote: >> Then I put everything back together. Now there is smoke coming out >> of the exhaust. It appears to be white. From elliottr at rmi.net Wed Sep 8 18:47:34 2010 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 - Spitfire Overdrive questions Message-ID: <4C882EA6.8010807@rmi.net> Hi everyone, I have 2 questions about overdrives. I have a 68 GT6 without an overdrive and would like to put one in if I ever get it rebuilt. I had a chance to buy a later Spitifire tranny with overdrive of unknown condition fairly cheap. I did not buy it as I was afraid it would be too much trouble to get it to work. Did I miss out on an opportunity? - Not counting the possibility of selling it for a profit. Also, I know of just an overdrive unit J type - supposedly good condition. I assume the parts to connect to my GT6 tranny would be impossible to find. Is that correct? Thanks, Roger Elliott 68 GT6 From bill at gingerich.us Wed Sep 8 21:51:23 2010 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:51:23 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 - Spitfire Overdrive questions In-Reply-To: <4C882EA6.8010807@rmi.net> References: <4C882EA6.8010807@rmi.net> Message-ID: <004601cb4fd2$47f11720$d7d34560$@us> Roger, As I recall, the Spitfire gearbox is not a bolt on to the GT6 engine. I believe the input shafts and bell housing are different. The cases are the same, so putting a J type OD on a GT6 3 rail box is possible. The GT6 never used a J type OD, but you can get the mainshaft and adapter plate you'd need. You'll need a shorter driveshaft, rear mounting plate, OD switch, and wiring to complete the transformation as well. Take a look at Paul Tegler's website. He's done the conversion, and I believe he has a page on it. www.teglerizer.com. Hope this helps. BillG Hastings, MN -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:48 PM To: Spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] GT6 - Spitfire Overdrive questions Hi everyone, I have 2 questions about overdrives. I have a 68 GT6 without an overdrive and would like to put one in if I ever get it rebuilt. I had a chance to buy a later Spitifire tranny with overdrive of unknown condition fairly cheap. I did not buy it as I was afraid it would be too much trouble to get it to work. Did I miss out on an opportunity? - Not counting the possibility of selling it for a profit. Also, I know of just an overdrive unit J type - supposedly good condition. I assume the parts to connect to my GT6 tranny would be impossible to find. Is that correct? Thanks, Roger Elliott 68 GT6 _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/bill at gingerich.us From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Thu Sep 9 06:17:54 2010 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Spits] GT6 - Spitfire Overdrive questions Message-ID: <380-22010949121754659@M2W120.mail2web.com> Roger, As previously mentioned, the Spitfire tranny will not bolt up the the GT6. The input shaft is different, as well as the bell housing, and as far as I know no late model single rail could be made to fit without extensive mods to the GT6 bell housing among other things. To fit a J type, which is what I did on my 70 GT6 you would need the adapter (which is kind of rare since it is only used on three rail Spits Heralds and Vitesse, the output or main shaft which is also pretty rare, Overdrive mount and bracket, and overdrive drive shaft (or you can shorten yours). You also need to cut the tunnel in the floor to clear the overdrive unit, and add the cover extension (or make your own) to cover the section that you just removed. Also, the wiring would also have to be added for the switch - not really a straight-forward conversion, but it can be done Barry Schwartz Original message ************************************* I had a chance to buy a later Spitifire tranny with overdrive of unknown condition fairly cheap. I did not buy it as I was afraid it would be too much trouble to get it to work. Did I miss out on an opportunity? - Not counting the possibility of selling it for a profit. Also, I know of just an overdrive unit J type - supposedly good condition. I assume the parts to connect to my GT6 tranny would be impossible to find. Is that correct? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From bill at gingerich.us Thu Sep 9 08:47:15 2010 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:47:15 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 - Spitfire Overdrive questions In-Reply-To: <380-22010949121754659@M2W120.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010949121754659@M2W120.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb502d$e5835150$b089f3f0$@us> Roger, I've been gathering the parts to convert a 3 rail gearbox to OD for my '74 Spit. I was able to get the OD mainshaft ($230) from Spitbits, and the adapter plate ($115) from Rimmer without any problems. Both items are still listed as available from the respective suppliers. Rimmer also lists the rear mount and mounting plate, which are different than the non-OD version. There are a couple other parts that will be needed that I forgot earlier. You'll need a 90 degree speedo cable adapter and OD inhibitor switch and mounting bracket (keeps OD from engaging in 1st or 2nd gear.) Both are shown as available from Rimmer, but others may have them as well. As Barry pointed out, it is an involved conversion. And not cheap. But certainly doable. And cheaper than a Ford type 9 5 speed conversion kit. BillG -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of v6spitfireguy at cox.net Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:18 AM To: elliottr at rmi.net Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] GT6 - Spitfire Overdrive questions Roger, As previously mentioned, the Spitfire tranny will not bolt up the the GT6. The input shaft is different, as well as the bell housing, and as far as I know no late model single rail could be made to fit without extensive mods to the GT6 bell housing among other things. To fit a J type, which is what I did on my 70 GT6 you would need the adapter (which is kind of rare since it is only used on three rail Spits Heralds and Vitesse, the output or main shaft which is also pretty rare, Overdrive mount and bracket, and overdrive drive shaft (or you can shorten yours). You also need to cut the tunnel in the floor to clear the overdrive unit, and add the cover extension (or make your own) to cover the section that you just removed. Also, the wiring would also have to be added for the switch - not really a straight-forward conversion, but it can be done Barry Schwartz Original message ************************************* I had a chance to buy a later Spitifire tranny with overdrive of unknown condition fairly cheap. I did not buy it as I was afraid it would be too much trouble to get it to work. Did I miss out on an opportunity? - Not counting the possibility of selling it for a profit. Also, I know of just an overdrive unit J type - supposedly good condition. I assume the parts to connect to my GT6 tranny would be impossible to find. Is that correct? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/bill at gingerich.us From george.r.parker at att.net Sun Sep 12 20:29:54 2010 From: george.r.parker at att.net (George Parker) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] MGB stuff Message-ID: <649366.85510.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> All, Sorry for the non-Spit/GT6 content... A friend who sold his MGB quite some time ago came across the following items and would like to find them a good home. They are: Fitted car cover for MGB (his was a '77). Tan in color, Technalon or Noah fabric (unsure which), very lightly used (never used outdoors - in garage only). Might come with storage bag, if he can find it (or I might have a generic bag to put it in - no promises). Originally a $200 cover, will sell for $75. 2 MGB shop manuals: - Haynes "MGB Purchasing and Restoration Guide, 2nd edition" by Lindsay Porter. Hardcover, but binding is broken. Offers? - Bentley "Complete Official MGB 1975-1980", c. 1980. Has magenta cover (if that means anything). Lightly used, but still excellent condition. Offers? Again, sorry for non-Spit content. Please contact me offlist w/ any interest. Thanks. George P. NASS #290 '78 Spit 1500 Ruther Glen, VA From elliottr at rmi.net Mon Sep 13 21:13:53 2010 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:13:53 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 - Spitfire Overdrive questions In-Reply-To: <20100909153536.TNNQ23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20100909153536.TNNQ23084.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <4C8EE871.9000409@rmi.net> Thanks everyone, I will probably be contacting some of you in the future to pick your brains a little more about this. Roger Elliott Joe Curry wrote: > If you need a laygear (main cluster gear) I have a brand new one. Those, > last I checked where listed as unavailable. > > Joe From elliottr at rmi.net Fri Sep 24 12:53:55 2010 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Spits] Adapter In Spitfire Water Pump Housing Message-ID: <6923436.1285354435946.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi, I can't get the adapter out of my old water pump housing. The adapter is next to the temperatue sensor and connects via hose to the intake manifold. Does any one know if it is a standard pipe fitting that I would be able to pick up at a hardware store? Or do I need to buy from one of the Spitfire suppliers? If I can get it from a hardware store, does anyone know the size? Thanks, Roger 1980 Triumph Spitfire From doug at dougbraun.com Fri Sep 24 13:09:05 2010 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Douglas Braun) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Adapter In Spitfire Water Pump Housing In-Reply-To: <6923436.1285354435946.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6923436.1285354435946.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I believe that the adapter is a standard compression-to-pipe-thread adapter. I'd expect a decent hardware store to have it. But I imagine that you can leave it in place, and replace just the threaded compression sleeve and the"nut" that actually gets compressed. Doug On Sep 24, 2010 2:55 PM, "Roger Elliott" wrote: > Hi, > > I can't get the adapter out of my old water pump housing. The adapter is next to the temperatue sensor and connects via hose to the intake manifold. > > Does any one know if it is a standard pipe fitting that I would be able to pick up at a hardware store? Or do I need to buy from one of the Spitfire suppliers? > > If I can get it from a hardware store, does anyone know the size? > > Thanks, > Roger > 1980 Triumph Spitfire > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Sun Sep 26 06:03:26 2010 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:03:26 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Splitting brakes calipers Message-ID: <380-22010902612326325@M2W135.mail2web.com> I am considering splitting my 16p brake calipers on my GT6 (same as TR3,4,6,) to do a through cleaning and repair, they are after all 40 years old. This would entail splitting them. However, as previously noted on the lists, no data is available for the torque settings of the retaining bolts, and the o-rings are not readily available. I do know that some of you have done this and have established some sort of information on these settings. So what torque settings are generally used  What size o-ring was established- or is the actual o-ring available I havent split them yet, but I do know that the Spitfire calipers have a rectangular cross section (not just square) o-ring, and as far as I can tell these are not available from the usual sources such as McMaster Carr  Yes I could look up the torque for bolts of this type, and measure the o-ring area and establish this myself, but I figured Id tap into the lists since this has already been somewhat researched - -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From bberger720 at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 27 04:47:58 2010 From: bberger720 at sbcglobal.net (Berger Bob) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 05:47:58 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Splitting brakes calipers In-Reply-To: <380-22010902612326325@M2W135.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010902612326325@M2W135.mail2web.com> Message-ID: When I split mine I just found a matching o-ring that was break fluid resistant - i think they were from a small hardware store where I could get help. Then I just tightened the bolts back in as tight as I could get. I think I took them apart with my normal 3/8" drive handle so I just used the same handle to tighten them up. Berger Bob 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 http://web.me.com/bobberger/Site/Photos/Photos.html On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:03 AM, v6spitfireguy at cox.net wrote: > I am considering splitting my 16p brake calipers on my GT6 (same as > TR3,4,6,) to do a through cleaning and repair, they are after all 40 > years > old. This would entail splitting them. However, as previously > noted on > the lists, no data is available for the torque settings of the > retaining > bolts, and the o-rings are not readily available. I do know that > some of > you have done this and have established some sort of information on > these > settings. > So what torque settings are generally used  > What size o-ring was established- or is the actual o-ring available > > I havent split them yet, but I do know that the Spitfire calipers > have a > rectangular cross section (not just square) o-ring, and as far as I > can > tell these are not available from the usual sources such as McMaster > Carr  > Yes I could look up the torque for bolts of this type, and measure the > o-ring area and establish this myself, but I figured Id tap into the > lists > since this has already been somewhat researched - > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and > application > hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/bberger720 at sbcglobal.net