From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 11:14:25 2010 From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:14:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] U-joint replacement Message-ID: <195717.53522.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fellow Listers; I hope everyone had a pleasant New Year's. At present, I am finishing up a differential swap on my '77 Spit. Glad it's almost done. While bolting everything up, I noticed that the u-joint on the driver's side half-shaft is coming out of the yoke about 1/8" on one side. I assume this u-joint will require replacement. I have replacement units on hand. Question: How easy is this repair? I have not done any work on axles before. Any advice would be appreciated! Best Regards, Matt Milkevitch'77 SpitfireWillow Grove, PA From TR250Driver at aol.com Fri Jan 1 12:03:22 2010 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:03:22 EST Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps Message-ID: Hey Guys, I came across a very nice set of four early Spitfire hubcaps. You know the ones that say "SPITFIRE". They cost me $182 but they are all pristine. Just a few marks & scratches. I suppose I need to find a worthy low milelage, original car for them or they will just become garage art. You know it seems to me that those early cars are very scarce for some reason. Anyway the hub caps are very cool. Darrell 76 Spitfire 1500 70 Spitfire MK 3 From carcentric at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 13:17:13 2010 From: carcentric at yahoo.com (M D Nugent) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:17:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <727151.5832.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Like these? http://www.carcentric.com/spwheelcover.jpg Mine are for sale ($99 plus shipping) if anyone's interested . . . . M D "Doc" Nugent - www.carcentric.com Seattle area ________________________________ From: "TR250Driver at aol.com" To: spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 11:03:22 AM Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps Hey Guys, I came across a very nice set of four early Spitfire hubcaps. You know the ones that say "SPITFIRE". They cost me $182 but they are all pristine. Just a few marks & scratches. I suppose I need to find a worthy low milelage, original car for them or they will just become garage art. You know it seems to me that those early cars are very scarce for some reason. Anyway the hub caps are very cool. Darrell 76 Spitfire 1500 70 Spitfire MK 3 Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as carcentric at yahoo.com Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From zoboherald at aol.com Fri Jan 1 13:37:56 2010 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:37:56 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC59396EEBE1DB-A80-1902B@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: TR250Driver at aol.com To: spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 2:03 pm Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps Hey Guys, I came across a very nice set of four early Spitfire hubcaps. You know the ones that say "SPITFIRE". They cost me $182 but they are all pristine. Just a few marks & scratches. I suppose I need to find a worthy low milelage, original car for them or they will just become garage art. You know it seems to me that those early cars are very scarce for some reason. Anyway the hub caps are very cool. ==AM== Darrell, are they the ones shown on the car in this brochure: If so, they're actually only for the 1969 US model. FYI, they're actually a "redo" of a Dodge Dart wheel cover, circa 1964! And yes, it seems that all "round-tail" Spitfires are a bit scarce, particularly unmodified originals! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From sbyers at ec.rr.com Fri Jan 1 13:42:29 2010 From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (BJ8 Healeys) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Haynes manual wiring diagram Message-ID: <003301ca8b22$efc69bc0$cf53d340$@rr.com> Hello, Spitfire Pilots - I'm not a Spitfire owner and usually hang out in the Austin-Healey world, but am posting this question to help a friend who does own a '79 Spit but is not on the list. He has the Haynes manual for 1962 - 1981 Spitfires. On page 266 is Fig. 10.66, the wiring diagram applicable to North American LHD 1500s from commission number FM95001. Can anyone help us interpret some of the symbols on this diagram? There doesn't appear to be a definition of them in the manual. Specifically, the symbols are circles. Some are open circles, some are split by a line into two halves, some are split by crosses into quarters, some have one half blackened or two oppposite quarters blackened. Thanks for the help! Steve Byers Havelock, NC From todjones at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 15:00:12 2010 From: todjones at comcast.net (Tod jones) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:00:12 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Haynes manual wiring diagram References: <003301ca8b22$efc69bc0$cf53d340$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4D70D76341654CE493CACB43D951C873@tod> The best ressource on the net is. http://www.triumphspitfire.com/ And for his wiring digram look here. http://www.triumphspitfire.com/wiring.html I used to work at a Triumph restoration buisiness and these are the best wiring diagrams around. We even had them blown up to put on the walls. This site even has parts interchangability lists. Tod Jones 57 Spit-6 Harrisonburg VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ8 Healeys" To: Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [Spits] Haynes manual wiring diagram > Hello, Spitfire Pilots - > > I'm not a Spitfire owner and usually hang out in the Austin-Healey world, > but am posting this question to help a friend who does own a '79 Spit but > is > not on the list. > He has the Haynes manual for 1962 - 1981 Spitfires. On page 266 is Fig. > 10.66, the wiring diagram applicable to North American LHD 1500s from > commission number FM95001. > > Can anyone help us interpret some of the symbols on this diagram? There > doesn't appear to be a definition of them in the manual. > Specifically, the symbols are circles. Some are open circles, some are > split by a line into two halves, some are split by crosses into quarters, > some have one half blackened or two oppposite quarters blackened. > > Thanks for the help! > Steve Byers > Havelock, NC From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Jan 1 16:19:29 2010 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:19:29 -0500 Subject: [Spits] U-joint replacement In-Reply-To: <195717.53522.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3E3CB1.19722.290BD426@localhost> On 1 Jan 2010 at 10:14, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: > While bolting everything up, I noticed that the u-joint on the > driver's side half-shaft is coming out of the yoke about 1/8" > on one side. I assume this u-joint will require replacement. It sounds like one of the retaining clips came out or broke or rusted away. You need at least to replace the clip but you should replace the joint anyway. > I have replacement units on hand. > Question: How easy is this repair? Depends on how hard it is to remove the bearing shells from the yokes. The last time I tried it they were stuck pretty good and I didn't have a good enough press or a big enough hammer. But in theory it isn't hard. You'll need to take the axle out of the car, and if you can't finish the job you can just take the axle over to a shop that can do it for you. Even if you just do that you may have saved some labor cost. One possible issue is that the clips which came with the u-joint may not be the exact thickness. If they are too thin it can allow slop which will introduce vibration. A shop will probably a collection so they can pick on that fits. Also fit a grease nipple. I'm sure someone here has better advice. Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Jan 1 16:23:09 2010 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:23:09 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Haynes manual wiring diagram In-Reply-To: <003301ca8b22$efc69bc0$cf53d340$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4B3E3D8D.24657.290F3013@localhost> On 1 Jan 2010 at 15:42, BJ8 Healeys wrote: > Can anyone help us interpret some of the symbols on this diagram? There > doesn't appear to be a definition of them in the manual. > Specifically, the symbols are circles. It's been a while since I looked at the Haynes manual but as I recall they are connectors. Don't know what the variations mean. The trouble is, you can't easily map the physical location in the car to any portion of the wiring diagram, so knowing that a connector exists in the line somewhere is a bit like saying there is water in the ocean. It may be true and you shouldn't be surprised, but it doesn't do you much good to know that! Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Fri Jan 1 17:26:43 2010 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:26:43 -0500 Subject: [Spits] 1500 boat anchor :-( Message-ID: <380-2201016202643100@M2W136.mail2web.com> Well it looks like the 1500 engine I picked up is now a 1500 boat anchor. As I was pulling the camshaft out of the block, or attempting to, I noticed that the reason I couldnt withdraw it from the block was because that the 2nd bearing journal on the cam was badly scored, and that was because the cast bridge supporting the journal was cracked all the way through It now looks like the good deal that I thought I had wasnt so good after all. I seriously doubt that the bridge could be welded up and the bearing bore reground, and even if it could, it would probably just crack again anyway. So I am searching for a decent 1500 block since all the other parts are basically in good shape  I am not sure if the cam can be saved, although I should think that the bearing journals could be ground down to early cam dimensions, and the block fitted with bearings, which is probably a better deal in the long run. The cam itself, other than the bearing journal, is in great shape  and it may even be possible to save the journal itself by regrinding just that journal. Anyway it looks like the quest continues  and the wife will have to wait a bit longer for her higher torque engine Barry Schwartz San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From doug at dougbraun.com Fri Jan 1 22:22:24 2010 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 05:22:24 +0000 Subject: [Spits] U-joint replacement Message-ID: My bit of advice: you may think that you can replace a u-joint from under the car with the axle in place, but it isn't worth trying. Accept the fact that you will have to disconnect the brake line, etc and completely remove the axle/hub assembly. Doug From TR250Driver at aol.com Sat Jan 2 11:33:08 2010 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:33:08 EST Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/2010 3:38:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ZoboHerald writes: If so, they're actually only for the 1969 US model. FYI, they're actually a "redo" of a Dodge Dart wheel cover, circa 1964! Andy, Yes that looks like the hubs. On a 69 huh? That's good info. Probably more of those around than the very early Spitfires. Now the 70's had another style of hub cap, similar but w/o the two "Spitfire" embossing's in the center, just plain, correct? I hope so for I sold a NOS set of those to Pat Davis for his 70 Spitfire MK 3 which was restored as original and shown in Showroom Stock Concours at the VTR NATC in Valley Forge. It is a sweet little car, Laurel like to one I have. For some reason the judges did not score it very high but to me it was BOS quality. Cheers, Darrell From TR250Driver at aol.com Sat Jan 2 11:35:52 2010 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:35:52 EST Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps Message-ID: Yes those are the ones, evidently correct for a 69 Spitfire MK 3. Darrell From sbyers at ec.rr.com Sat Jan 2 11:43:28 2010 From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (BJ8 Healeys) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:43:28 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Haynes manual wiring diagram In-Reply-To: <4D70D76341654CE493CACB43D951C873@tod> References: <003301ca8b22$efc69bc0$cf53d340$@rr.com> <4D70D76341654CE493CACB43D951C873@tod> Message-ID: <002901ca8bdb$7972dd30$6c589790$@rr.com> Thanks to Tod, Jim, and Andrew for responding to my question about the interpretation of symbols in the Haynes wiring diagram. The wiring diagram (credited to Tom O'Malley) at http://www.triumphspitfire.com/wiring.html is really nice and I have printed it out as a better alternative to the Haynes diagram. However, unfortunately, I don't believe it answers my original question. The O'Malley wiring diagram also has one of the same symbols and but does not define it, either. For example, in the Haynes diagram between Item 48 (Fuel Gauge) and Item 49 (Tank Unit) there is a circle divided into quarters. In the O'Malley diagram, the symbol is retained between the gauge and the tank, but also does not say what it it represents. There are lots of these symbols in the O'Malley diagram without any definition of them. In the Haynes diagram between Item 39 (Hazard Warning Switch) and Item 41 (Hazard/Flasher Unit) the Light Green/Brown wire goes through a circular symbol that is half black and half white. The O'Malley diagram shows nothing but the wire between the two items. The other Haynes symbol not defined is a circle divided into quarters with alternate quarters colored either white or black. The O'Malley diagram neither uses this symbol nor shows anything it might represent. It was also suggested that the symbols represent connectors, but if so, what kind? The usual Lucas type wire connectors are shown in both diagrams. The link at http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/symbol.htm defines the circle divided into quarters as the symbol for a transducer that converts electrical energy into light, or in other words, a lamp bulb. But that obviously is not what it is used for in the Haynes diagram. Anybody know for sure what these symbols mean? I'm sure there must be someone on the list who has run into this before. Thanks again! Steve Byers Havelock, NC From cyrille at hp.com Sat Jan 2 12:59:34 2010 From: cyrille at hp.com (de Brebisson, Cyrille (Calculator Division)) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:59:34 +0000 Subject: [Spits] miles AND km/h speedometer face In-Reply-To: <002901ca8bdb$7972dd30$6c589790$@rr.com> Message-ID: <6A653ACDEB96E84A9CDA4873FC9D186F8E1BC00124@GVW1092EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> Hello, I am planning to move to Europe with my 78 Midget... However, to be road legal overthere, I need km/h indication on the speedometer... Right now, my speedometer only has miles... Does anyone has a spare speedometer or speedometer face that they could part with (I can send back my mile/h only face so that they would still have a working speedo at the end). Thanks, Cyrille From spitlist at cox.net Sat Jan 2 14:40:38 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:40:38 -0700 Subject: [Spits] miles AND km/h speedometer face In-Reply-To: <6A653ACDEB96E84A9CDA4873FC9D186F8E1BC00124@GVW1092EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002901ca8bdb$7972dd30$6c589790$@rr.com> <6A653ACDEB96E84A9CDA4873FC9D186F8E1BC00124@GVW1092EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <31A9E5CAE3EF4EA0A479FC19F1355387@joepentiumnew> Did the Midget use the same gauges as the Spitfire of the same vintage? If so, you need to cite the numbers on the gauge face to ensure that the readings will be correct. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of de Brebisson, Cyrille (Calculator Division) Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:00 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] miles AND km/h speedometer face Hello, I am planning to move to Europe with my 78 Midget... However, to be road legal overthere, I need km/h indication on the speedometer... Right now, my speedometer only has miles... Does anyone has a spare speedometer or speedometer face that they could part with (I can send back my mile/h only face so that they would still have a working speedo at the end). Thanks, Cyrille Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From carcentric at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 15:30:34 2010 From: carcentric at yahoo.com (M D Nugent) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:30:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions Message-ID: <318129.69630.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What year(s) was the "banjo" steering wheel standard equipment? (see pic at http://www.carcentric.com/spitfiresteeringwheelCU.jpg) Did Spits ever have an expanded metal collapsible section in the steering shaft designed to crush in a frontal impact? M D "Doc" Nugent - www.carcentric.com Seattle area From ZoboHerald at aol.com Sat Jan 2 19:02:06 2010 From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:02:06 EST Subject: [Spits] Early Spitfire Hubcaps Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/2010 1:33:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, TR250Driver writes: Yes that looks like the hubs. On a 69 huh? That's good info. Probably more of those around than the very early Spitfires. Now the 70's had another style of hub cap, similar but w/o the two "Spitfire" embossing's in the center, just plain, correct? I hope so for I sold a NOS set of those to Pat Davis for his 70 Spitfire MK 3 which was restored as original and shown in Showroom Stock Concours at the VTR NATC in Valley Forge. It is a sweet little car, Laurel like to one I have. For some reason the judges did not score it very high but to me it was BOS quality. ==AM== Yes, they are sorta similar to the ones from the '69; see: _http://www.triumph-brochures.be/popup.php?foto=folder376.jpg_ (http://www.triumph-brochures.be/popup.php?foto=folder376.jpg) for the 1970 style. I suspect that those 1970 wheel covers might have been sourced in England rather than in the US, as some of the big Triumph sedans (saloons) used a very similar wheel cover; see: --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) From ZoboHerald at aol.com Sat Jan 2 19:09:57 2010 From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:09:57 EST Subject: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/2010 6:34:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, carcentric at yahoo.com writes: What year(s) was the "banjo" steering wheel standard equipment? (see pic at _http://www.carcentric.com/spitfiresteeringwheelCU.jpg_ (http://www.carcentric.com/spitfiresteeringwheelCU.jpg) ) ==AM== I'm thinking Mk3 Spitfire at least through 1969; at the moment I can't remember about the 1970 Mk3, nor can I lay my hands on any pictures or sales literature for same. ==AM== Did Spits ever have an expanded metal collapsible section in the steering shaft designed to crush in a frontal impact? ==AM== Only if there was something akin to that in the TR7-style steering column adopted by the 1977 and later Spitfire 1500 models. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) From kg4tqe at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 20:11:09 2010 From: kg4tqe at gmail.com (Don Wankel) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:11:09 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408696211001021911hd13fcaew54623e2a9dad404c@mail.gmail.com> > Not certain, but when looking at this diagram in the past I considered them > to just be a connection. If you look between the directional switch and the > rear turn lamps, you'll see them where the wire tees together. Just my > humble opinion, YMMV. > Don > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:43:28 -0500 > From: "BJ8 Healeys" > Subject: Re: [Spits] Haynes manual wiring diagram > To: > Message-ID: <002901ca8bdb$7972dd30$6c589790$@rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks to Tod, Jim, and Andrew for responding to my question about the > interpretation of symbols in the Haynes wiring diagram. > > The wiring diagram (credited to Tom O'Malley) at > http://www.triumphspitfire.com/wiring.html is really nice and I have > printed > it out as a better alternative to the Haynes diagram. > However, unfortunately, I don't believe it answers my original question. > The O'Malley wiring diagram also has one of the same symbols and but does > not define it, either. For example, in the Haynes diagram between Item 48 > (Fuel Gauge) and Item 49 (Tank Unit) there is a circle divided into > quarters. In the O'Malley diagram, the symbol is retained between the > gauge > and the tank, but also does not say what it it represents. There are lots > of these symbols in the O'Malley diagram without any definition of them. > In the Haynes diagram between Item 39 (Hazard Warning Switch) and Item 41 > (Hazard/Flasher Unit) the Light Green/Brown wire goes through a circular > symbol that is half black and half white. The O'Malley diagram shows > nothing but the wire between the two items. > The other Haynes symbol not defined is a circle divided into quarters with > alternate quarters colored either white or black. The O'Malley diagram > neither uses this symbol nor shows anything it might represent. > > It was also suggested that the symbols represent connectors, but if so, > what > kind? The usual Lucas type wire connectors are shown in both diagrams. > > The link at http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/symbol.htm defines the circle > divided into quarters as the symbol for a transducer that converts > electrical energy into light, or in other words, a lamp bulb. But that > obviously is not what it is used for in the Haynes diagram. > > Anybody know for sure what these symbols mean? I'm sure there must be > someone on the list who has run into this before. > > Thanks again! > Steve Byers > Havelock, NC From spitlist at cox.net Sat Jan 2 20:51:39 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:51:39 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BA60F2A23E0453FBCAB11B4D7073651@joepentiumnew> After SN 7500, the later wheel(3 slotted spokes) was introduced. That corresponded to the 70 model. I don't believe there ever was a collapsible column on any Spits but because I have not paid much attention to the later ones. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ZoboHerald at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:10 PM To: Spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions In a message dated 1/2/2010 6:34:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, carcentric at yahoo.com writes: What year(s) was the "banjo" steering wheel standard equipment? (see pic at _http://www.carcentric.com/spitfiresteeringwheelCU.jpg_ (http://www.carcentric.com/spitfiresteeringwheelCU.jpg) ) ==AM== I'm thinking Mk3 Spitfire at least through 1969; at the moment I can't remember about the 1970 Mk3, nor can I lay my hands on any pictures or sales literature for same. ==AM== Did Spits ever have an expanded metal collapsible section in the steering shaft designed to crush in a frontal impact? ==AM== Only if there was something akin to that in the TR7-style steering column adopted by the 1977 and later Spitfire 1500 models. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From spitlist at cox.net Sat Jan 2 22:31:07 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:31:07 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions In-Reply-To: <2BA60F2A23E0453FBCAB11B4D7073651@joepentiumnew> References: <2BA60F2A23E0453FBCAB11B4D7073651@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <3951CBF577D242D183F6DB6E08D6127F@joepentiumnew> OOPS, I left off a Zero. That should have been 75000. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:52 PM To: ZoboHerald at aol.com; Spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions After SN 7500, the later wheel(3 slotted spokes) was introduced. That corresponded to the 70 model. I don't believe there ever was a collapsible column on any Spits but because I have not paid much attention to the later ones. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ZoboHerald at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:10 PM To: Spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions In a message dated 1/2/2010 6:34:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, carcentric at yahoo.com writes: What year(s) was the "banjo" steering wheel standard equipment? (see pic at _http://www.carcentric.com/spitfiresteeringwheelCU.jpg_ (http://www.carcentric.com/spitfiresteeringwheelCU.jpg) ) ==AM== I'm thinking Mk3 Spitfire at least through 1969; at the moment I can't remember about the 1970 Mk3, nor can I lay my hands on any pictures or sales literature for same. ==AM== Did Spits ever have an expanded metal collapsible section in the steering shaft designed to crush in a frontal impact? ==AM== Only if there was something akin to that in the TR7-style steering column adopted by the 1977 and later Spitfire 1500 models. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From jimmuller at rcn.com Sun Jan 3 06:33:18 2010 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions In-Reply-To: <2BA60F2A23E0453FBCAB11B4D7073651@joepentiumnew> References: Message-ID: <4B40564E.16802.33CD093@localhost> On 2 Jan 2010 at 20:51, Joe Curry wrote: > I don't believe there ever was a collapsible column on any Spits > but because I have not paid much attention to the later ones. My 1500 has a collapsible column, a sliding wedge arrangement just above the firewall. It can be used as a wheel position adjustment too but you give up collapse distance. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jan 3 09:49:02 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:49:02 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions In-Reply-To: <4B40564E.16802.33CD093@localhost> References: <4B40564E.16802.33CD093@localhost> Message-ID: That pretty well describes all the Spit steering columns. I think what is commonly referred to as "collapsible" is the type that resembles braided hoses except much larger and stiffer. In a collision, it acts like one of those Chinese Finger thingies. It will collapse and expand but not separate. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Muller Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:33 AM To: Spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions On 2 Jan 2010 at 20:51, Joe Curry wrote: > I don't believe there ever was a collapsible column on any Spits > but because I have not paid much attention to the later ones. My 1500 has a collapsible column, a sliding wedge arrangement just above the firewall. It can be used as a wheel position adjustment too but you give up collapse distance. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From douglashansen at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 12:48:43 2010 From: douglashansen at yahoo.com (Spitfire4) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:48:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions In-Reply-To: References: <4B40564E.16802.33CD093@localhost> Message-ID: <455383.54951.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> reminds me of the doors Anti-burst feature Douglas A. Hansen www.1147cc.com ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: jimmuller at rcn.com; Spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 11:49:02 AM Subject: Re: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions That pretty well describes all the Spit steering columns. I think what is commonly referred to as "collapsible" is the type that resembles braided hoses except much larger and stiffer. In a collision, it acts like one of those Chinese Finger thingies. It will collapse and expand but not separate. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Muller Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:33 AM To: Spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spit steering wheel/shaft questions On 2 Jan 2010 at 20:51, Joe Curry wrote: > I don't believe there ever was a collapsible column on any Spits > but because I have not paid much attention to the later ones. My 1500 has a collapsible column, a sliding wedge arrangement just above the firewall. It can be used as a wheel position adjustment too but you give up collapse distance. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as douglashansen at yahoo.com Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Sun Jan 3 21:43:32 2010 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Triumph TransAm Stag - Uncle Jack is FOR SALE!! Message-ID: <4B4171F4.7090600@triumphstagclub.org> Yes, the TTA Stag - a.k.a. "uncle jack" is FOR SALE!! Greetings All, The LONG awaited auction for the Triumph Trans AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009 Triumph Stag known as "uncle jack", is pending activation FOR SALE on eBay!! PLEASE TELL EVERYONE, EMAIL EVERYONE, CALL ANY INTERESTED PARTY!! Email everyone in your clubs!! Remember, this is FOR CHARITY!!! The Auction will become Active on Monday, 4 January 2010 at 1:00 am Pacific Time - about 9 am GMT Go to eBay [www.ebay.com] and enter item Number 250558126708 or click on this link for eBay details http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250558126708 Good Luck, Happy Bidding!! Cheers! -- Glenn A. Merrell TTA North American Drive Coordinator 2009 210 Bass Circle Lafayette, Colorado 80026-1811 USA 303-665-6040 voice and mailbox #6 303-817-8559 cell 303-665-7820 fax www.triumphtransamerica.org Skype,Twitter,FaceBook: StagByTriumph From thomas309 at aol.com Mon Jan 4 19:47:03 2010 From: thomas309 at aol.com (thomas309 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:47:03 EST Subject: [Spits] Check out Triumph TR4,TR6 ,MG ?Top Message-ID: <1d404.476359f1.38740227@aol.com> As seen on craigslist. Not mine and NFI. Tom _http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/1514240928.html_ (http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/1514240928.html) From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jan 4 20:22:46 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:22:46 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Check out Triumph TR4,TR6 ,MG ?Top In-Reply-To: <1d404.476359f1.38740227@aol.com> References: <1d404.476359f1.38740227@aol.com> Message-ID: Looking at the shape of the cutout for the window glass and the locations of the securing bolts, I am guessing Late Spitfire. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of thomas309 at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:47 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Check out Triumph TR4,TR6 ,MG ?Top As seen on craigslist. Not mine and NFI. Tom _http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/1514240928.html_ (http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/1514240928.html) Suggested annual donation $11.47 You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From cwnfot at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 08:42:16 2010 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:42:16 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Check out Triumph TR4,TR6 ,MG ?Top In-Reply-To: References: <1d404.476359f1.38740227@aol.com> Message-ID: <005201ca8e1d$a8efbd00$facf3700$@com> I don't think it's Spitfire, the bottom edge that mates to the body is all same plain, I would expect some curve back there... perhaps..? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Wed Jan 6 11:53:51 2010 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [stag] TTA Stag - Uncle Jack is FOR SALE!! References: b62a678e30e54fbed44845efeba62164.stag Message-ID: <4B44DC3F.3040905@triumphstagclub.org> Greetings! After just three days on auction, uncle jack has MET its reserve price to the dollar, and as of this posting, over 1790 people have looked at the auction!! Keep spreading the word!! At one point, my TTA publicist Chuck Kittelson, had two Vegas casinos vying for the purchase of UJ for 7 figures, but unfortunately with his passing last year that information was lost - never locating any of the contact information or Casino names. Maybe some of you know some people who will post the auction on their weekly automobile eMagazines or to their collector base? I am told some very "serious" collectors are watching the auction - we can only hope! I am sure some of you know the local collector in your area who has a nice warehouse showroom. Let's quickly tap those resources to get as much money for PTSD charity awareness as possible!! Cheers! -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org On 1/3/2010 8:50 PM, StagByTriumph wrote: > Greetings All, > > The LONG awaited auction for the Triumph Trans AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009 Triumph Stag known as "uncle jack", > > is > > now > > FOR SALE on eBay!! > > PLEASE TELL EVERYONE, EMAIL EVERYONE, CALL ANY INTERESTED PARTY!! > > Remember, this is FOR CHARITY!!! > > The Auction will become Active on Monday, 4 January 2010 at 1:00 am Pacific Time - about 9 am GMT > > Go to eBay http://www.ebay.com and enter item Number 250558126708 > > or click on this link for eBay details > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250558126708 > > Good Luck, Happy Bidding!! > > Cheers! > > Glenn Merrell > TSN Admin > TTA Charity Drive 2009 North American Coordinator From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Tue Jan 12 17:54:35 2010 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:54:35 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Less than 30 hours TTA Stag Uncle Jack will have a New Owner! Message-ID: <4B4D19CB.1010208@triumphstagclub.org> Hi Folks, Less than 30 hours the new owner of Uncle Jack will be revealed. This eBay Auction ENDS at 01:00 am Pacific Time on the 14th, that is about 4 am Eastern time on the 14th and about 09:00 am GMT? Sorry for the odd times listing, I was thinking PM times and set it for AM times ... Heck, serious bidders will be watching and will put last minute electronic bids anyway ... WHO might the new owner be?? Any side bets (those proceeds would go to the charity of course ...) on final sale price?? Over 4100 viewing this auction, and over 188 active watchers Go to eBay and enter item Number 250558126708 or click on this link for eBay details http://tinyurl.com/yjxnxha Good Luck, Happy Bidding!! Cheers! Glenn Merrell TSN Admin TTA Charity Drive 2009 North American Coordinator -- Glenn Merrell TSN Admin http://www.triumphstag.net mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org Thu Jan 14 08:53:57 2010 From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:53:57 -0700 Subject: [Spits] TTA Stag - Uncle Jack is SOLD!!!! Message-ID: <4B4F3E15.5010801@triumphstagclub.org> *TTA Stag - Uncle Jack is SOLD!!!!* Posted by: *StagByTriumph* Date: 01/14/2010 08:52AM Hello All, The eBay auction of uncle Jack is now complete, and ... The new owners of Uncle Jack are ... (drum roll ....) Phil and Susan Ethier of St. Paul Minnesota!! Their completion of this auction will finish a grand total of about $45,000 being raised for the three PTSD Charities! Congratulations Phil and Susan, and huge THANK YOU for all the clubs and dedicated individuals who made this event a success!! Job Well Done!! (so .... wot's next?) Glenn Merrell TTA Charity Drive 2009 North American Coordinator Glenn A. Merrell TriumphStag dot Net administrator TTA North American Coordinator (2007-2009) past Chairman TSC USA (2007-2009) past TSC USA President (2001-2007) "The BEST trophies are miles on the odometer, stone chips in the paint, dead bugs on the windshield." 8) From parrotthead01 at comcast.net Sun Jan 17 12:31:58 2010 From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel Parrott) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:31:58 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 Rear Hub Bearings Message-ID: <02b301ca97ab$bd07b080$37171180$@net> Does anyone have access to a reference to set of step-by-step directions for the replacement of the rear hub bearings, hubs and axels for a 1972 GT6? I need guidance to make sure that the bearings are seated with the proper end float. TIA Dan Parrott Savannah, Ga 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" 1972/1978 Spit Six Project car "Joseph" From parrotthead01 at comcast.net Sun Jan 17 17:08:54 2010 From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel Parrott) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:08:54 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 Rear Hub Bearings In-Reply-To: <23694CABAE8346BC90123ABBBA7EBE60@FamilyRoom> References: <02b301ca97ab$bd07b080$37171180$@net> <23694CABAE8346BC90123ABBBA7EBE60@FamilyRoom> Message-ID: <02b801ca97d2$6c550d00$44ff2700$@net> I should have mentioned that I have a 1972 GT6 MKIII with a rotor flex rear axle. I can get the hub off, but the axle seems hard to turn, due to maybe not enough end float with the end nut. Dan Parrott Savannah, Ga 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" 1972/1978 Spit Six Project car "Joseph" -----Original Message----- From: Jim Cullen [mailto:ccullen16 at cogeco.ca] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:03 PM To: Daniel Parrott Subject: Re: [Spits] GT6 Rear Hub Bearings Not sure if this is exactly the type of thing your looking for, but this video was helpful when I did my rear hubs this past summer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvbi1UZpHPI Jim Cullen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Parrott" To: "'Spitfire list'" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: [Spits] GT6 Rear Hub Bearings > Does anyone have access to a reference to set of step-by-step directions > for > the replacement of the rear hub bearings, hubs and axels for a 1972 GT6? > I > need guidance to make sure that the bearings are seated with the proper > end > float. > > > > TIA > > > > Dan Parrott > > Savannah, Ga > > 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" > > 1972/1978 Spit Six Project car "Joseph" > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > > You are subscribed as ccullen16 at cogeco.ca > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From carcentric at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 17:36:26 2010 From: carcentric at yahoo.com (M D Nugent) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:36:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] 1971-80 body/bonnet/windshield in Seattle area In-Reply-To: <02b801ca97d2$6c550d00$44ff2700$@net> References: <02b301ca97ab$bd07b080$37171180$@net> <23694CABAE8346BC90123ABBBA7EBE60@FamilyRoom> <02b801ca97d2$6c550d00$44ff2700$@net> Message-ID: <681121.74205.qm@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've posted these on craigslist: http://preview.tinyurl.com/spitparts Cheap enough? M D "Doc" Nugent - www.carcentric.com Seattle area From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 20 15:42:12 2010 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:42:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] If you're looking for parts Message-ID: <566838.71236.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi lists, I recently got back from a TRip to South Carolina. There I made a major purchase...a 1981 TR8!! I bought the car from Ed Hillman of Summerville, SC. He's a very nice guy that has entirely too many parts...at least I think his wife said that :-) He's wanting to part with, I would say, MOST of the parts and he's pretty reasonable. I know he has a GT6 engine with a D-Type overdrive stuck to it. That caught my eye, but we just didn't have the room in the truck with all the stuff he sent with me. He also has a pretty nice '79 Spitfire. Aside from that stuff, he has countless doors, seats, heck he even has a roundtail Right hand drive body tub...it's hanging from the rafters! So, if anyone is interested, Ed's e-mail is: ehillman at sc.rr.com I told him I'd write the list(s) & let everyone know. I've no financial interest in this I just wanted to help him out for being so generous. Cheers, Todd Bermudez#596 Cincinnati, OH '68 GT6 RHD From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 10:58:32 2010 From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:58:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Fiberglass Fenders Message-ID: <804688.64759.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fellow Listers; I was recently surfing Ebay and I found a listing for rear fiberglass fenders for the Spit. I was wondering if anyone had experience with fenders of this type and what their impressions/opinions were. Thanks... Matt Milkevitch'77 SpitfireWillow Grove, PA From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Thu Jan 21 16:12:18 2010 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:12:18 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Overdrive bracket needed Message-ID: <380-220101421231218876@M2W104.mail2web.com> Listers, I am in need of the bracket that holds the overdrive inhibitor switch on a 3 rail Spitfire/GT6 overdrive gearbox. This is the one that bolts to the top front of the extension housing. If anybody has a spare that they would like to unload for a fair price, let me know. I suppose that I could make one, but it would sure be easier to just buy a correct one - Barry Schwartz San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From sam at spit6.com Wed Jan 27 03:27:33 2010 From: sam at spit6.com (Sam Gentry) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:27:33 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Too many projects - Spit for sale Message-ID: <221579DE413303438753FC6D339488EC01881F@firewall.local.local> OK, I just have to face it... I have entirely too many projects and not enough room. I think I am going to have to let one of my Spits go. This is not an easy decision, I have had both of these cars for more than 10 years. One is a dark blue '72 and the other is a light blue '80. Each of them has a hard top. The 72 has a Triumph hard top and the 80 has a fiberglass after market hard top. I would really like one of them to go to someone who will take care it and enjoy it the way that I have. If you are in Central Virginia (Charlottesville area) contact me off the list and lets talk cars!! Sam