From sagreenwood at att.net Tue Aug 3 13:22:50 2010 From: sagreenwood at att.net (Stuart Greenwood) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch Message-ID: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> About 6 monhts ago I replaced the rear spring on my MkIV with a new one from Moss Motors in Goleta. The old one was bottoming going over dips in the road. The problem I have is that the rear wheels now have quite a bit of positive camber and I can feel the wheels "tucking in " when I go round a corner even at moderate speeds. The only solutions I can come up with are get the spring de-arched like Kasner says in his book or put a thick spacer between the diff and the spring to lift it up so that the drive shafts angle becomes closer to horizontal. However the spacer idea is a little tricky since it would have to have a stub to locate in the hole on the diff and then a hole in its' top side so the stub on the spring bracket would slot in and hence retain the ability of the spring to pivot. It looks almost impossible to drill holes lower down in the uprights which carry the drive shafr bearings hence lifting the drive shafts without using a spacer. I was hoping that the spring would de-arch itself after a while but I put a load of bricks in the trunk and just couldn't get to even a zero camber let alone negative camber as it should be. Has anyone come across this problem and found a solution? I also notice that Kasner also recommends removing the loop on the second leaf but this loop looks like it is a safety device in the event of failure of the main leaf to upright attachment. Stuart a Greenwood 71 Mk IV Spitfire, 71Mk 1 Stag From s1500 at comcast.net Tue Aug 3 13:57:31 2010 From: s1500 at comcast.net (s1500 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 19:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spits] Whitewall tires for GT6? Message-ID: <1346258589.943712.1280865451574.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> My dad's trying to resurrect his '71 GT6 Mk3. He's looking for a source for whitewall tires. Anyone have a lead? ie any part # I could inquire/order from Discount Tire, or even mail order? From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 3 14:10:51 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Whitewall tires for GT6? In-Reply-To: <1346258589.943712.1280865451574.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1346258589.943712.1280865451574.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <65B5938AE2A94DD699C06830F9CFF16F@joepentiumnew> Did they ever put whitewalls on GT6's? -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of s1500 at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:58 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Whitewall tires for GT6? My dad's trying to resurrect his '71 GT6 Mk3. He's looking for a source for whitewall tires. Anyone have a lead? ie any part # I could inquire/order from Discount Tire, or even mail order? _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/spitlist at cox.net From davidt at opentext.com Tue Aug 3 14:12:18 2010 From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Whitewall tires for GT6? In-Reply-To: <1346258589.943712.1280865451574.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1346258589.943712.1280865451574.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Wouldn't http://store.cokertire.com/ be the place to look for whitewalls? David -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of s1500 at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:58 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Whitewall tires for GT6? My dad's trying to resurrect his '71 GT6 Mk3. He's looking for a source for whitewall tires. Anyone have a lead? ie any part # I could inquire/order from Discount Tire, or even mail order? _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/davidt at opentext.com From zoboherald at aol.com Tue Aug 3 18:22:12 2010 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:22:12 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Whitewall tires for GT6? In-Reply-To: <8CD0181C2C71A46-54A0-3F35@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> References: <1346258589.943712.1280865451574.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <65B5938AE2A94DD699C06830F9CFF16F@joepentiumnew> <8CD0181C2C71A46-54A0-3F35@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD018237C9F8B1-54A0-3FDF@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry Did they ever put whitewalls on GT6's? ==AM== They sure did, at least on the US cars. One example, for the 1970 model year: http://www.triumph-brochures.be/popup.php?foto=folderhu677.jpg or for the MkIII http://www.triumph-brochures.be/popup.php?foto=folderhu420.jpg As one example in the original 155R13 size tire, the Cooper Trendsetter SE is a white sidewall. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From cleoburyp at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 07:08:16 2010 From: cleoburyp at gmail.com (Cleobury Phil) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:08:16 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch In-Reply-To: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C596640.50905@gmail.com> Possibly a long drive shaft spring from a 1500. Two drive shafts on a Mk IV (mostly short)and 1500 (long) 1 inch difference On 8/3/2010 3:22 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote: > About 6 monhts ago I replaced the rear spring on my MkIV with a new one from > Moss Motors in Goleta. The old one was bottoming going over dips in the road. > The problem I have is that the rear wheels now have quite a bit of > positive camber and I can feel the wheels "tucking in " when I go round a > corner even at moderate speeds. The only solutions I can come up with are get > the spring de-arched like Kasner says in his book or put a thick spacer > between > the diff and the spring to lift it up so that the drive shafts angle > becomes > closer to horizontal. However the spacer idea is a little tricky > since it would > have to have a stub to locate in the hole on the diff and then > a hole in its' > top side so the stub on the spring bracket would slot in and > hence retain the > ability of the spring to pivot. It looks almost impossible > to drill holes lower > down in the uprights which carry the drive shafr > bearings hence lifting the > drive shafts without using a spacer. I was hoping > that the spring would de-arch > itself after a while but I put a load of bricks > in the trunk and just couldn't > get to even a zero camber let alone negative > camber as it should be. > Has anyone come across this problem and found a > solution? > I also notice that Kasner also recommends removing the loop on the > second leaf > but this loop looks like it is a safety device in the event > of failure of > the main leaf to upright attachment. > Stuart a Greenwood > 71 Mk > IV Spitfire, 71Mk 1 Stag > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/cleoburyp at gmail.com From zoboherald at aol.com Wed Aug 4 08:21:55 2010 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:21:55 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch In-Reply-To: <8CD01F76969DA7F-1F48-CCB9@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4C596640.50905@gmail.com> <8CD01F76969DA7F-1F48-CCB9@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD01F786526D5F-1F48-CCFF@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> The spring doesn't "care" how wide the rear track is, since the vertical links pivot on their trunnions -- or SHOULD pivot on their trunnions. Perhaps seized trunnion bushes in the vertical link/hub assembly is part of a problem? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Cleobury Phil To: spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch Possibly a long drive shaft spring from a 1500. Two drive shafts on a Mk IV (mostly short)and 1500 (long) 1 inch difference From cleoburyp at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 09:12:13 2010 From: cleoburyp at gmail.com (Cleobury Phil) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch In-Reply-To: <8CD01F786526D5F-1F48-CCFF@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4C596640.50905@gmail.com> <8CD01F76969DA7F-1F48-CCB9@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> <8CD01F786526D5F-1F48-CCFF@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C59834D.2000200@gmail.com> That's exactly what I thought.... Then last year I changed my spit with narrow drive shafts ie high ride height/toe in - bottom of the wheels were well in ie \ / - this had been incorrect for 10 years (having put in a new spring) to long drive shafts and it went to near perfect ie l l -! Go figure! On 8/4/2010 10:21 AM, Andrew Mace wrote: > The spring doesn't "care" how wide the rear track is, since the vertical links > pivot on their trunnions -- or SHOULD pivot on their trunnions. Perhaps seized > trunnion bushes in the vertical link/hub assembly is part of a problem? > > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cleobury Phil > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:08 am > Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch > > > Possibly a long drive shaft spring from a 1500. > Two drive shafts on a Mk IV (mostly short)and 1500 (long) 1 inch difference > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/cleoburyp at gmail.com -- Regards Cleobury P From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 4 09:26:10 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch In-Reply-To: <4C596640.50905@gmail.com> References: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4C596640.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0AC2E33107394FAE9ECE9BF42A383FAE@joepentiumnew> The springs do not differ in length regardless of whether the axle shafts were ling or short. That is why the cars with longer shafts sit with an exaggerated negative camber. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cleobury Phil Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 6:08 AM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch Possibly a long drive shaft spring from a 1500. Two drive shafts on a Mk IV (mostly short)and 1500 (long) 1 inch difference On 8/3/2010 3:22 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote: > About 6 monhts ago I replaced the rear spring on my MkIV with a new one from > Moss Motors in Goleta. The old one was bottoming going over dips in the road. > The problem I have is that the rear wheels now have quite a bit of > positive camber and I can feel the wheels "tucking in " when I go round a > corner even at moderate speeds. The only solutions I can come up with are get > the spring de-arched like Kasner says in his book or put a thick spacer > between > the diff and the spring to lift it up so that the drive shafts angle > becomes > closer to horizontal. However the spacer idea is a little tricky > since it would > have to have a stub to locate in the hole on the diff and then > a hole in its' > top side so the stub on the spring bracket would slot in and > hence retain the > ability of the spring to pivot. It looks almost impossible > to drill holes lower > down in the uprights which carry the drive shafr > bearings hence lifting the > drive shafts without using a spacer. I was hoping > that the spring would de-arch > itself after a while but I put a load of bricks > in the trunk and just couldn't > get to even a zero camber let alone negative > camber as it should be. > Has anyone come across this problem and found a > solution? > I also notice that Kasner also recommends removing the loop on the > second leaf > but this loop looks like it is a safety device in the event > of failure of > the main leaf to upright attachment. > Stuart a Greenwood > 71 Mk > IV Spitfire, 71Mk 1 Stag > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/cleoburyp at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/spitlist at cox.net From smacsjunk at hotmail.com Thu Aug 5 15:33:58 2010 From: smacsjunk at hotmail.com (scotts junk) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:33:58 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch In-Reply-To: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds almost like you have an early model (Mk I - III) fixed spring as they were considerably stiffer than the late model ( Mk IV - 1500) swing spring (see Paul Ts chart on spring specs: http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/springs.htm . Did you replace the spring yourself or have a shop do it? easy to tell the different construction betwen the two types of spring: Fixed spring: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/diagram/gt6mkiandiirearsuspension. html&xsl=diagram.xsl&xhtmlcatalogue=xhtml/catalogue/earlygt6.html&category=ax lessuspensiondriveshaftsandwheels Swing Spring: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/diagram/gt6mkiiiroadspringanddampe r.html&xhtmlcatalogue=xhtml/catalogue/gt6mkiii.html&category=axlessuspensiond riveshaftsandwheels&xsl=diagram.xsl Or If the replacement is a swing spring then perhaps one meant for a late model Mk3 GT6 as that is also stiffer than the Spit spring. Have heard that some suppliers only carry one swing spring for bot Spit & GT6 - check the thickness of the longest 2 leaves - should be .25". If it is .31 then it's a GT6 spring. cheers Scott > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:22:50 -0700 > From: sagreenwood at att.net > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch > > About 6 monhts ago I replaced the rear spring on my MkIV with a new one from Moss Motors in Goleta. The old one was bottoming going over dips in the road. The problem I have is that the rear wheels now have quite a bit of positive camber and I can feel the wheels "tucking in " when I go round a corner even at moderate speeds. The only solutions I can come up with are get the spring de-arched like Kasner says in his book or put a thick spacer between the diff and the spring to lift it up so that the drive shafts angle becomes closer to horizontal. However the spacer idea is a little tricky since it would have to have a stub to locate in the hole on the diff and then a hole in its' top side so the stub on the spring bracket would slot in and hence retain the ability of the spring to pivot. It looks almost impossible to drill holes lower down in the uprights which carry the drive shafr bearings hence lifting the drive shafts without using a spacer. I was hoping that the spring would de-arch itself after a while but I put a load of bricks in the trunk and just couldn't get to even a zero camber let alone negative camber as it should be. > Has anyone come across this problem and found a solution? > I also notice that Kasner also recommends removing the loop on the second leaf but this loop looks like it is a safety device in the event> of failure of the main leaf to upright attachment. > Stuart a Greenwood > 71 Mk > IV Spitfire, 71Mk 1 Stag > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/smacsjunk at hotmail.com From smacsjunk at hotmail.com Thu Aug 5 15:42:05 2010 From: smacsjunk at hotmail.com (scotts junk) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:42:05 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch In-Reply-To: <4C59834D.2000200@gmail.com> References: <891303.18278.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <4C596640.50905@gmail.com>, <8CD01F76969DA7F-1F48-CCB9@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>, <8CD01F786526D5F-1F48-CCFF@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>, <4C59834D.2000200@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is some effect on camber when you switch from early model short axles to late model long axles: since the lever arm from the pivot (U joint) to the tire is longer but the spring length (fulcrum point) is the same, the spring will be compressed more (i.e. have to exert more force) to support the weight of the car, so the camber will be more negative (or less positive) when you change from short to long axles. cheers Scott > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:12:13 -0400 > From: cleoburyp at gmail.com > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch > > That's exactly what I thought.... > Then last year I changed my spit with narrow drive shafts ie high ride > height/toe in - bottom of the wheels were well in ie \ / - this had > been incorrect for 10 years (having put in a new spring) to long drive > shafts and it went to near perfect ie l l -! > Go figure! > > On 8/4/2010 10:21 AM, Andrew Mace wrote: > > The spring doesn't "care" how wide the rear track is, since the vertical links > > pivot on their trunnions -- or SHOULD pivot on their trunnions. Perhaps seized > > trunnion bushes in the vertical link/hub assembly is part of a problem? > > > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cleobury Phil > > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > > Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:08 am > > Subject: Re: [Spits] Rear spring with too much arch > > > > > > Possibly a long drive shaft spring from a 1500. > > Two drive shafts on a Mk IV (mostly short)and 1500 (long) 1 inch difference > > _______________________________________________ From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Tue Aug 10 05:42:16 2010 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:42:16 -0400 Subject: Trivia alert…Triumph in advertising Message-ID: <380-220108210114216499@M2W125.mail2web.com> We were shopping at our local Costco (a large bulk item store for those of you who arent familiar with the name) and as I passed by a row of GPS devices, something caught my eye. I glanced back and sure enough, on a poster board about three foot square, with a Tom-Tom GPS attached to the top of it, was a large photo of an early white MK4 Spitfire on a country road. A full three quarter back right side shot, about two feet long. I of course shrieked to my wife, HEY DEAR, LOOK which caused a few people to suddenly look over to see what I was apparently so excited about. They probably thought I was excited about the GPS  but we all know what I was really looking at!! My wife of course noticed that it was occupied by two girls, silly me for not noticing It was pretty cool Barry and Rosanne San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 10 11:55:33 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:55:33 -0700 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BSpits=5D_Trivia_alert=05Triumph_in_adver?= =?iso-8859-1?q?tising?= In-Reply-To: <380-220108210114216499@M2W125.mail2web.com> References: <380-220108210114216499@M2W125.mail2web.com> Message-ID: The trouble with using a Spitfire to hawk GPS systems is that there was no cigarette lighter socket installed to power the system. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of v6spitfireguy at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 AM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Trivia alertTriumph in advertising We were shopping at our local Costco (a large bulk item store for those of you who arent familiar with the name) and as I passed by a row of GPS devices, something caught my eye. I glanced back and sure enough, on a poster board about three foot square, with a Tom-Tom GPS attached to the top of it, was a large photo of an early white MK4 Spitfire on a country road. A full three quarter back right side shot, about two feet long. I of course shrieked to my wife, HEY DEAR, LOOK which caused a few people to suddenly look over to see what I was apparently so excited about. They probably thought I was excited about the GPS  but we all know what I was really looking at!! My wife of course noticed that it was occupied by two girls, silly me for not noticing It was pretty cool Barry and Rosanne San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From davidt at opentext.com Tue Aug 10 12:23:15 2010 From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:23:15 -0400 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BSpits=5D_Trivia_alert=05Triumph_in_adver?= =?iso-8859-1?q?tising?= In-Reply-To: References: <380-220108210114216499@M2W125.mail2web.com> Message-ID: On the front page of the tomtom site, it looks like either a red tr6 or a sunbeam, not sure I am sure others will know better :-) http://www.tomtom.com/ Somewhere on their site they had the spitfire as well. Just picked up the 730 :-) what goes better with a spitfire, darth vader voices :-) David '59 tr3a '74 spitsix -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:56 PM To: v6spitfireguy at cox.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Trivia alertTriumph in advertising The trouble with using a Spitfire to hawk GPS systems is that there was no cigarette lighter socket installed to power the system. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of v6spitfireguy at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:42 AM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Trivia alertTriumph in advertising We were shopping at our local Costco (a large bulk item store for those of you who arent familiar with the name) and as I passed by a row of GPS devices, something caught my eye. I glanced back and sure enough, on a poster board about three foot square, with a Tom-Tom GPS attached to the top of it, was a large photo of an early white MK4 Spitfire on a country road. A full three quarter back right side shot, about two feet long. I of course shrieked to my wife, HEY DEAR, LOOK which caused a few people to suddenly look over to see what I was apparently so excited about. They probably thought I was excited about the GPS  but we all know what I was really looking at!! My wife of course noticed that it was occupied by two girls, silly me for not noticing It was pretty cool Barry and Rosanne San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/davidt at opentext.com From s1500 at comcast.net Tue Aug 10 12:44:50 2010 From: s1500 at comcast.net (s1500 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS Message-ID: <469066805.1268434.1281465890917.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I just used my Garmin Nuvi in my Spitfire just last Sunday. It had enough remaining battery power to not need using the cigarette lighter socket(which works fine so far). I used a piece of duct tape & mounted it over the unused ashtray with the door open. Sure, I could barely see & hear it due to the top being down(sun) + engine noise, but it worked. This led me to thinking: Why not take out the ashtray & make a GPS holder that slides in & use the ashtray dash hole to mount it in? I need to make a cardboard mockup first. Then once I'm satisfied, cut a piece of scrap metal 20 different ways & oragami it into form. From davidt at opentext.com Tue Aug 10 13:19:07 2010 From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:19:07 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS In-Reply-To: <469066805.1268434.1281465890917.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <469066805.1268434.1281465890917.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Funny I was looking at a similar setup, not for the spit yet but for the '99 Jeep WJ ( triumph support vehicle for related content :-) ). It has an ashtray that will never get used and was figuring out how to mount the GPS unit there somehow. That leads to the next part of course, adding in usb power connectors for the gps, phone chargers :) thankfully the spit had a 85amp upgrade a while back David -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of s1500 at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:45 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS I just used my Garmin Nuvi in my Spitfire just last Sunday. It had enough remaining battery power to not need using the cigarette lighter socket(which works fine so far). I used a piece of duct tape & mounted it over the unused ashtray with the door open. Sure, I could barely see & hear it due to the top being down(sun) + engine noise, but it worked. This led me to thinking: Why not take out the ashtray & make a GPS holder that slides in & use the ashtray dash hole to mount it in? I need to make a cardboard mockup first. Then once I'm satisfied, cut a piece of scrap metal 20 different ways & oragami it into form. _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/davidt at opentext.com From opposumking at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 13:36:58 2010 From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:36:58 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS References: <469066805.1268434.1281465890917.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6CD50B46C28E4206B334A92B3EDC2900@mde.state.md.us> Why not just use the Garmin suction cup mount on the windshield? From ronohlenkamp at msn.com Tue Aug 10 15:45:35 2010 From: ronohlenkamp at msn.com (RON OHLENKAMP) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:45:35 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires Digest, New Thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > We were shopping at our local Costco (a large bulk item store for those of > you who arent familiar with the name) and as I passed by a row of GPS > devices, something caught my eye. I glanced back and sure enough, on a > poster board about three foot square, with a Tom-Tom GPS attached to the > top of it, was a large photo of an early white MK4 Spitfire on a country > road. A full three quarter back right side shot, about two feet long. I > of course shrieked to my wife, HEY DEAR, LOOK which caused a few people > to suddenly look over to see what I was apparently so excited about. They > probably thought I was excited about the GPS  but we all know what I was > really looking at!! My wife of course noticed that it was occupied by two > girls, silly me for not noticing It was pretty cool > > Barry and Rosanne > San Diego, CA Barry, I have always felt cheated when I see a picture of a car with a women draped over it. My wife finds my annoyance with this amusing and will actually point them out on purpose. When a car is depicted via the lens, it should be "Sans Humanus". I appreciate your geniune reaction to seeing a Spit on a poster being used to promote a high tech product in such a public place.............I would've done exactly the same thing! I have a tech question for the general audience: My wifes 62 Spitfire is all original and in reasonably good shape. The twin SU carb 1300 feels underpowered, and I am considering a 76 smog 1500 that is a new rebuild that I have purchased (unbelievable price). The smog stuff has been completely deleted, and the 4 remaining holes in the head are plugged. Will a 76 engine mate up to a 62 four speed? If it is a viable transplant, I also want to put the dual SU's on the 1500. Any other considerations? I am competent with a wrench, and have had amazing results with baling wire, duct tape, and a Milwaukie Sawz-All. Ron and Liz Coeur D Alene, Idaho Red 62' Spit- "Dibs" From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 10 16:15:53 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires Digest, New Thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <071EBD21F9414B16BC2938E8878E3955@joepentiumnew> Ron, I am a bit confused here. Yu say that your wife has a 62 Spit. That makes it a Mk1. You say it is all original but then say it has a 1300 engine. The Mk1 and Mk2 both had a 1147 cc engine from the factory (commonly referred to as a 1200). The 1296 (1300) engines didn't come about until the Mk3. If it is a Mk3 engine, you can achieve excellent performance from that engine by adding a few choice performance upgrades. To answer your question, yes the 1500 will mate up to the early gearbox, but you will need to use a 1500 flywheel, clutch and pressure plate. Make sure the clutch kit contains the 10 splines that match the gearbox input shaft. That would be an early clutch kit for the full synchro 3-rail box. But you might want to see if you can find one of those boxes. It will make driving it much more pleasant. Joe P.S. are your Spitfires in the Spitfire database? http://members.cox.net/spitlist/index.html -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RON OHLENKAMP Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:46 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Spitfires Digest, New Thread Barry, I have always felt cheated when I see a picture of a car with a women draped over it. My wife finds my annoyance with this amusing and will actually point them out on purpose. When a car is depicted via the lens, it should be "Sans Humanus". I appreciate your geniune reaction to seeing a Spit on a poster being used to promote a high tech product in such a public place.............I would've done exactly the same thing! I have a tech question for the general audience: My wifes 62 Spitfire is all original and in reasonably good shape. The twin SU carb 1300 feels underpowered, and I am considering a 76 smog 1500 that is a new rebuild that I have purchased (unbelievable price). The smog stuff has been completely deleted, and the 4 remaining holes in the head are plugged. Will a 76 engine mate up to a 62 four speed? If it is a viable transplant, I also want to put the dual SU's on the 1500. Any other considerations? I am competent with a wrench, and have had amazing results with baling wire, duct tape, and a Milwaukie Sawz-All. Ron and Liz Coeur D Alene, Idaho Red 62' Spit- "Dibs" _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/spitlist at cox.net From parrotthead01 at comcast.net Tue Aug 10 16:20:08 2010 From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel Parrott) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS In-Reply-To: <6CD50B46C28E4206B334A92B3EDC2900@mde.state.md.us> References: <469066805.1268434.1281465890917.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <6CD50B46C28E4206B334A92B3EDC2900@mde.state.md.us> Message-ID: <009d01cb38da$31528a30$93f79e90$@net> I thought of using a "swinging trap" door (press a button and the GPA swings up out of the dash) to mount my Garmin in the ashtray area. I'm not sure if there is enough room below the dash for the GPS to sit for storage. In that way, the GPS can be ready for use, but still "somewhat" secure from being pilfered. My other thought would be to relocate the heater controls down to the radio area in the yoke, and to place a swing out/up DVD Player/GPS in the middle of the dash, as with this unit on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/JENSEN-VM9414-7-IN-DASH-POP-UP-NAVIGATION-DVD-RECEIVER-/ 350372042590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0#ht_5091wt_1137 or http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-DIN-7-Touch-Screen-Car-DVD-Player-Built-in- GPS-MAP-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ270619002127QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo#ht_7482 wt_1165 I'm still working out the rear and top clearances for such an installation in my Spit Six project before I make a commitment. Any thoughts? Dan Parrott Savannah, Ga 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" 1972/1978 Spit Six Project car "Joseph" 1957 Chevy Bel Air "Mayflower" -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nolan Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:37 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS Why not just use the Garmin suction cup mount on the windshield? _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/parrotthead01 at comcast.net From fishplate at charter.net Tue Aug 10 18:53:51 2010 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:53:51 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires Digest, New Thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 05:45 PM 8/10/2010, RON OHLENKAMP wrote: >I have always felt cheated when I see a picture of a car with a women draped >over it. Just as I feel when I go to a car show and see a row of beautiful, artistic cars, all wihtthier hoods/bonnets open spoiling the lines. Maybe it's just me. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. From fishplate at charter.net Tue Aug 10 19:12:47 2010 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Spits] [TR] Trivia alertTriumph in advertising In-Reply-To: <454223.18738.qm@web28316.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <380-220108210114216499@M2W125.mail2web.com> <454223.18738.qm@web28316.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 04:35 PM 8/10/2010, John Macartney wrote: > In those former 'class-ridden' days I suppose the >product equipment specifiers argued that with the cheaper cars, a box of >matches >was more than enough :) It's never taken me more than two or three matches to get my cheap cars nicely alight, even on the windiest days. Proper application of petrol prior to striking the match is, of course, essential. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. From growe58 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 12 21:31:29 2010 From: growe58 at hotmail.com (Greg Rowe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:31:29 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS In-Reply-To: <6CD50B46C28E4206B334A92B3EDC2900@mde.state.md.us> References: <469066805.1268434.1281465890917.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <6CD50B46C28E4206B334A92B3EDC2900@mde.state.md.us> Message-ID: Checking in a little late, but my GPS suction cups very nicely to the wooden dash - doesn't block forward vision, makes it less likely to get washed out by the sun and if it flies off in spirited cornering it is less likely to go out the window (which I have seen happen). Greg Rowe > From: opposumking at verizon.net > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:36:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfires +GPS > > Why not just use the Garmin suction cup mount on the windshield? > _______________________________________________ From rdambra1 at rochester.rr.com Wed Aug 18 11:59:58 2010 From: rdambra1 at rochester.rr.com (Robert Dambrauskas) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:59:58 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire project car for sale Message-ID: I am selling my Triumph Spitfire project car. It's a 1967 Mk II. All the parts are there, just not assembled. Many performance extras, too many to list. Photos available, list of performance extras, more info available. Asking $1200 or BO. I will be posting on Craig's list within the next few days. Contact: Bob Dambrauskas rdambra1 at rochester.rr.com Rochester, NY area home phone: 585-381-8425 From zoboherald at aol.com Thu Aug 19 13:40:52 2010 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Spits] early Spitfire OD column switch location Message-ID: <8CD0DED90F80FE0-235C-87C@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> A question for anyone with an original OD installation (particularly those with the last "O" in the commission number) in their Spitfire 4 or Mk2: on which side of the steering column is the OD switch? The Mk2 Owners Manual appears to show it on the LH side, with the turn signal switch; TRF's Spitfire Glovebox Companion catalogue suggests that it would be on the RH side, with the headlamp switch. Which is correct? Regardless, would I be correct in assuming that the switch would be operated by raising it? Feel free to reply ONLY to me unless you think the list would be fascinated with all this, and thanks in advance! :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From spitlist at cox.net Thu Aug 19 14:24:43 2010 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:24:43 -0700 Subject: [Spits] early Spitfire OD column switch location In-Reply-To: <8CD0DED90F80FE0-235C-87C@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100819202408.TKLF19056.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I can't find it right now but I seem to recall that the "guide ot originality" book by Thommason, shows the lever on the right side of the stalk. But that might change for LHD cars since that book only shows RHD cars. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Mace Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:41 PM To: nass at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] early Spitfire OD column switch location A question for anyone with an original OD installation (particularly those with the last "O" in the commission number) in their Spitfire 4 or Mk2: on which side of the steering column is the OD switch? The Mk2 Owners Manual appears to show it on the LH side, with the turn signal switch; TRF's Spitfire Glovebox Companion catalogue suggests that it would be on the RH side, with the headlamp switch. Which is correct? Regardless, would I be correct in assuming that the switch would be operated by raising it? Feel free to reply ONLY to me unless you think the list would be fascinated with all this, and thanks in advance! :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us _______________________________________________ Spitfires at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/spitlist at cox.net From llst at shaw.ca Fri Aug 20 23:08:02 2010 From: llst at shaw.ca (LT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Spits] early Spitfire OD column switch location Message-ID: <4C6F5F32.8060301@shaw.ca> "on which side of the steering column is the OD switch?" Mine is on the right hand side as is shown in the Haynes manual in Chapter 6 page 172. I believe you pull it down to operate it as you do the lights. Larry Ternowski From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Aug 27 09:37:46 2010 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Thrust washer "what if?" Message-ID: <4C77A38A.946.271D0446@localhost> What if a thrust washer falls out (or wears away) would be the result? Would it create strange engine noises? I'm musing over possibilities... -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From cleoburyp at gmail.com Fri Aug 27 10:32:19 2010 From: cleoburyp at gmail.com (Cleobury Phil) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Thrust washer "what if?" In-Reply-To: <4C77A38A.946.271D0446@localhost> References: <4C77A38A.946.271D0446@localhost> Message-ID: <4C77E893.4000805@gmail.com> Mine did this a few months ago :( For me..... No other signs other than... a)Clutch wouldn't/didn't release (couldn't understand why it wouldn't go in gear anymore) ... there was to much movement forward from the main crank in the block when the clutch thrust bearing tries to push the clutch cover plate to release the clutch plate. b)Metal filings in the engine oil and with a magnetic sump plug the one of the thrust bearings came out on the end of the magnet when I took the plug out! To check 1) Check end play on crank drive pulley ie doesn't have excessive play and is in tolerance. 2) Drop the sump and take off rear end cap, check thrust washers are in place - recheck tolerances and replace with new ones to compensate for mileage. To Repair 1) Replace thrust washers with new ones correct new ones in tolerances (to compensate for mileage). Parts $10 2) Obtain replacement engine New or Refurbished $600 - $5000 + 3) Repairable block/crank - Brake down engine and re machine replace necessary parts $1000 + 4) Repair engine with replacement machined block and crank plus parts as necessary $2000 + Notes: Make sure the thrust washers are in the right way round! The grinding of gray cast iron block on a //Tuftrided high carbon steel crank - is a very quiet sound... but an expensive one! On 8/27/2010 11:37 AM, Jim Muller wrote: > What if a thrust washer falls out (or wears away) would be the > result? Would it create strange engine noises? I'm musing over > possibilities... > -- Regards Cleobury P From growe58 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 14:02:09 2010 From: growe58 at hotmail.com (Greg Rowe) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:02:09 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Thrust washer "what if?" In-Reply-To: <4C77A38A.946.271D0446@localhost> References: <4C77A38A.946.271D0446@localhost> Message-ID: When I had this happen some years ago, there was a loud squealing noise with the clutch disengaged which sounded exactly like a bad throw-out bearing - which is what I originally thought was wrong. But the damage was pretty advanced at that point. Greg Rowe > From: jimmuller at rcn.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:37:46 -0400 > Subject: [Spits] Thrust washer "what if?" > > What if a thrust washer falls out (or wears away) would be the > result? Would it create strange engine noises? I'm musing over > possibilities... > > -- > Jim Muller > jimmuller at rcn.com > '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 28 16:46:46 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:46:46 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Thrust washer "what if?" In-Reply-To: <4C77A38A.946.271D0446@localhost> References: <4C77A38A.946.271D0446@localhost> Message-ID: <4C7991D6.9020901@bradakis.com> By the time you hear noises the crank has already machined its way into the block, crudely, I might add. Well, one noise that you will hear is the grinding of gears when shifting, as the clutch pushes the crank into the space where the thrust washer used to be, rather than compressing the diaphragm spring enough to disengage. A common problem on Spits, GT6s, TR250 and 5s, as well as MG Midgets with the Spitfire 1500 in them. One fix is to machine the main cap to hold an additional thrust washer so there is a full 360 degrees of coverage on the rear side. That's the side that takes the lion's share of the wear due to clutch usage. Then the thrust washers are pinned into position. Of course, the fix has to be done BEFORE the block and crank are destroyed. mjb. From ccullen16 at cogeco.ca Sun Aug 29 17:22:01 2010 From: ccullen16 at cogeco.ca (Jim Cullen) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:22:01 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Indicator electrical question Message-ID: <7C6AD3C35AF34E64AE3D3F885BD256F5@FamilyRoom> I am hoping that I might lean on the list to help me confirm what I think is the source of my problem with an electrical issue with my 74 Spitfire's turn indicator circuit. First a bit of background... a few weeks ago I was attempting to fix a fairly long standing problem with my turn signal lights. The problem was that when I turned my left indicator on my right indicator also came on (and vice versa), but very dimly. I sourced what I thought was the problem to the turn indicator switch and tried to clean that switch up. Unfortunately, instead of fixing the problem (it is a long story with much cursing) I made the problem worse and essentially shorted out the whole circuit. I think that this is referred to as "shipwright's disease" :). Now I am not getting any power to the indicator switch, and no power to the indicator flasher unit. I think I have sourced my new problem back to my hazard flasher switch (I have the rocker hazard on my car with the six prongs on the back). I am no electrical genius, but after a few weeks of intermittent work on this problem I have deducted from my work and my Haynes electrical diagram that with the key in the on position (or with the car turned on and running) I should have power coming from the hazard switch (actual location on the hazard switch is the bottom drivers left prong on the hazard switch when installed in the car - wire that connects to this prong is light green with a slate stripe) to the indicator flasher unit and then to the indicator switch. Right now I have no power coming from that prong and no power to the indicator flasher unit etc.. I have thinking that in my original attempts to fix my problem I may have burned out the connection that is made for the indicator signal circuit in the hazard switch somehow. However, since it really seems like a pain to remove the rocker hazard switch I wanted to ask first if my thoughts made sense before going to the effort to try to remove the hazard switch. While I am on that topic, any pointers (i.e. easiest way) on how you remove the rocker hazard switch. I am thinking that there must be either vertical or horizontal "clips" that lock the switch into place into the dash. Hope that makes sense. Any suggestions/insight from those with a bit more experience in this area are welcomed. Thanks, Jim Cullen 1974 Spitfire From fishplate at charter.net Tue Aug 31 20:33:08 2010 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:33:08 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Indicator electrical question In-Reply-To: <7C6AD3C35AF34E64AE3D3F885BD256F5@FamilyRoom> References: <7C6AD3C35AF34E64AE3D3F885BD256F5@FamilyRoom> Message-ID: <84EEF84A4CFD49329CE46B73F53D094B@M4A> > with the key in the on position (or with the car turned on and running) I > should have power coming from the hazard switch (actual location on the > hazard > switch is the bottom drivers left prong on the hazard switch when > installed in > the car - wire that connects to this prong is light green with a slate > stripe) > to the indicator flasher unit and then to the indicator switch. That looks correct, according to the Mk. IV diagram at http://triumphspitfire.com/images/wiring/MKIVwire.jpg This may also help, as it seems to be functionally the same http://triumphspitfire.com/images/wiring/75diagram.jpg I don't know when they went from rocker to pull switch. > > Right now I have no power coming from that prong and no power to the > indicator > flasher unit etc Have you got power on the green wire going into the switch from the fuse? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga.