From RTGetzinger at scif.com Thu Jan 1 16:28:29 2009 From: RTGetzinger at scif.com (Rob T. Getzinger) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Dot 3 Synthetic Brake Fluid Message-ID: <0F918CBCB159734C8D6121793EDBF0D807AEF768@njem01.scif.com> Is Dot 3 Synthetic brake fluid compatible with the Spitfire's rubber components? Rob Redding, N. Calif. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This e-mail message from State Compensation Insurance Fund and all attachments transmitted with it may be privileged or confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or taking any action based on it is strictly prohibited and may have legal consequences. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From buss3 at rogers.com Mon Jan 5 07:00:07 2009 From: buss3 at rogers.com (Grant Buss) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:00:07 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Sand blaster Message-ID: <8D4190EF56F241F09ABE6D7420847776@FUNPLACE> What is the best way to stop or get rid of the dusty haze that blocks your view when using it ?? From jblair1948 at cox.net Mon Jan 5 08:13:53 2009 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:13:53 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Sand blaster In-Reply-To: <8D4190EF56F241F09ABE6D7420847776@FUNPLACE> References: <8D4190EF56F241F09ABE6D7420847776@FUNPLACE> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090105095602.01f7ae40@cox.net> At 09:00 AM 1/5/2009, Grant Buss wrote: >What is the best way to stop or get rid of the dusty haze that blocks your >view when using it ?? Grant, I assume you are talking about being able to see in a blasting cabinet. First, you want to have a piece of plastic, usually acitate, to cover the glass window. The plastic protector will fog up as it gets hit by the blast media, but is cheaper and easier to replace than the window glass. Simply remove the old protector and tape on a new one. Next you should have a dust collector to pull the media dust out of the cabinet as you blast. A cheap dust collector can be made using a shop vac. To collect the dust put some water in the bottom of the shop vac and be sure that the deflector in the canister is set to blow the dust down into the water. You don't really need the water but if you don't use it, the dust will float around in the canister and will get into the motor, and trash the bearings quickly. So use a cheap shop vac. You might want to read my article on media blasting: Introduction to Media Blasting http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/blasting/mediablast.html John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 09:29:23 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:29:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length Message-ID: <821997.13206.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Just did what I said I wouldn't & bought another car...a '72 GT6 with some interesting things in it. It has an A-Type TR6 transmission in it(I'll be keeping that) but it also has a set of sliding axles that the PO had made years ago. Apparently, he was tearing up his rotoflex donuts so he had these custom machined. I plan on using them if at all possible. My question is since I have a MK1 GT6 with fixed axles, should I be concerned with the length of the sliding axles? I mean would the over all length of the rotoflex axles be the same as the fixed (early/late) axles? I was planning on using these sliding axles WITH the camber compensator...anyone see any issues? Cheers, Todd Bermudez #597 Cincinnati, OH '68 GT6 MK1 RHD From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jan 5 09:40:40 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:40 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length In-Reply-To: <821997.13206.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <821997.13206.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am thinking that with the sliding axles, the length is immaterial since the relative length is determined by the flexing of the spring on the particular side. This is if the wishbone assemblies from the rotoflex are retained. That lower control element limits the radical negative camber that the later long axle Spitfire and GT6 cars show after they lengthened the axles in conjunction with the swing-spring assembly. Also, I see no need for the camber compensator if you have retained the wishbones. I do have a question, however. I am wondering what is used in conjunction with the sliding axles to allow the wheel to assume the proper camber as each side goes up and down with the flexing of the road spring. I used a Porsche CV-Joint to replace the rotoflex, but some sort of joint (even a U-Joint) is necessary to allow the wheel to assume the proper camber without binding. Cheers, Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Bermudez Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 09:29 To: NASS Spitfire; Spitfire List Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length Hi All, Just did what I said I wouldn't & bought another car...a '72 GT6 with some interesting things in it. It has an A-Type TR6 transmission in it(I'll be keeping that) but it also has a set of sliding axles that the PO had made years ago. Apparently, he was tearing up his rotoflex donuts so he had these custom machined. I plan on using them if at all possible. My question is since I have a MK1 GT6 with fixed axles, should I be concerned with the length of the sliding axles? I mean would the over all length of the rotoflex axles be the same as the fixed (early/late) axles? I was planning on using these sliding axles WITH the camber compensator...anyone see any issues? Cheers, Todd Bermudez #597 Cincinnati, OH '68 GT6 MK1 RHD Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 09:55:45 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:55:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <620744.62332.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Joe, Guess I should've elaborated on that... There are UJs at the diff....I'll have to look at the other end again...don't recall if they're on both ends or not? This car retained everything except both ends of the axle as far as I can tell. What I'm planning on doing is using the sliding axles with our MK1...I would think I'd still need the camber compensator. Though I just thought of something...maybe with too much negative camber they could "slide apart"? I'm not sure what would keep the wheels from having too much negative camber if they're allowed to slide side to side? Cheers, Todd Bermudez#597 Cincinnati, OH '68 GT6 MK1 --- Joe Curry wrote: > I am thinking that with the sliding axles, the > length is immaterial since > the relative length is determined by the flexing of > the spring on the > particular side. This is if the wishbone assemblies > from the rotoflex are > retained. That lower control element limits the > radical negative camber > that the later long axle Spitfire and GT6 cars show > after they lengthened > the axles in conjunction with the swing-spring > assembly. > > Also, I see no need for the camber compensator if > you have retained the > wishbones. > > I do have a question, however. I am wondering what > is used in conjunction > with the sliding axles to allow the wheel to assume > the proper camber as > each side goes up and down with the flexing of the > road spring. I used a > Porsche CV-Joint to replace the rotoflex, but some > sort of joint (even a > U-Joint) is necessary to allow the wheel to assume > the proper camber without > binding. > > Cheers, > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Todd Bermudez > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 09:29 > To: NASS Spitfire; Spitfire List > Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length > > Hi All, > > Just did what I said I wouldn't & bought another > car...a '72 GT6 with some interesting things in it. > It has an A-Type TR6 transmission in it(I'll be > keeping that) but it also has a set of sliding axles > that the PO had made years ago. Apparently, he was > tearing up his rotoflex donuts so he had these > custom > machined. I plan on using them if at all possible. > My question is since I have a MK1 GT6 with fixed > axles, should I be concerned with the length of the > sliding axles? I mean would the over all length of > the rotoflex axles be the same as the fixed > (early/late) axles? I was planning on using these > sliding axles WITH the camber compensator...anyone > see > any issues? > > Cheers, > > Todd Bermudez #597 > Cincinnati, OH > '68 GT6 MK1 RHD > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Mon Jan 5 09:02:11 2009 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (Barry Schwartz) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:02:11 Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length In-Reply-To: <821997.13206.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.4.16.20090105090211.1e77e5d0@pop.west.cox.net> Todd, First off, if the axles are truly sliding type, then it would appear that whoever had the car before had the truly independent suspension of the rotoflex car in there - that is to say that the suspension has the lower wishbones and uprights of a MK2 or early MK3 GT6. This would be almost identical to the setup that I have on my Spitfire, which is a MK2 GT6 rotoflex, with TR6 sliding type axles, and heavy duty SWING SPRING. You would not want to use a camber compensator on this type of suspension (not sure if it would even fit with the lower wishbones anyway). The axle length is actually in between that of the early Spitfires (MK1-3, and that of the later 1500) The early Spitfires and MK1 GT6 had a rear track of 48 inches, the GT6 rotoflex had a rear track of 49 inches, and the Spitfire 1500 and late GT6 (Swing Spring) had a track length of 50 inches. If in fact you have sliding (rotoflex) type suspension like mine the best thing to use if you leave in the sliding type axles is a swing spring for a GT6 as well. The sliding axles MUST have the lower wishbones to retain the hub uprights in place. As a foot note, all rear springs, fixed, Swing, early, late, etc that fit the Spitfire/GT6 range, no matter what year, type, or rate, are the same length. There are no long or short springs. There are different rate springs, and contrary to popular belief, the spring rate is actually softer in the GT6 (for the boulevard ride that Triumph was trying to achieve) there wasn't that much weight difference in the weight over the rear axles from the Spitfire, the weight was mostly that big six up over the front axle - There are however long or short axles - So the short answer is that if you want to use a camber compensator on this car - you will have to replace the axles and uprights with early Spitfire/GT6 uprights and solid axles with a fixed spring- And of course you all know how I feel about that :-) ********************************************************************* >Just did what I said I wouldn't & bought another >car...a '72 GT6 with some interesting things in it. >It has an A-Type TR6 transmission in it(I'll be >keeping that) but it also has a set of sliding axles >that the PO had made years ago. Apparently, he was >tearing up his rotoflex donuts so he had these custom >machined. I plan on using them if at all possible. >My question is since I have a MK1 GT6 with fixed >axles, should I be concerned with the length of the >sliding axles? I mean would the over all length of >the rotoflex axles be the same as the fixed >(early/late) axles? I was planning on using these >sliding axles WITH the camber compensator...anyone see >any issues? Barry Schwartz La Mesa, CA (San Diego) From jimmuller at rcn.com Mon Jan 5 10:38:38 2009 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (jimmuller at rcn.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:38:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length Message-ID: <20090105123838.BVY91177@ms10.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Joe asked: > I am wondering what is used in conjunction with the sliding > axles to allow the wheel to assume the proper camber as > each side goes up and down with the flexing of the road > spring. Joe, do you not have a GT6 with IRS? Or are you asking specifically about Todd's sliding-axle arrangement? On the production GT6 Mk2 the upper control arm was the spring itself. The axle's bearing was fixed firmly to the upright rather than allowed to pivot on a longitudinal axis with a trunnion as with a swing-axle. See part #17 in the left-hand drawing at: http://www.spitbits.com/gt6/GT6%20suspension.htm. IIRC, Jaguar have used an arrangement in which a fixed-length axle with u-joint or CV joint acted as one of the control arms. And Lotus has used the Chapman strut, similar to a McPherson strut but with the control arm replaced by a fixed-length axle and a toe-in control link. But the GT6 never did, of course, and never needed a fixed-length axle. Or maybe I'm missing the point of your question. -- Jim Muller From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jan 5 10:46:34 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:46:34 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.16.20090105090211.1e77e5d0@pop.west.cox.net> References: <821997.13206.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3.0.4.16.20090105090211.1e77e5d0@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: Barry, I am curious why you recommend using a swing-spring with the rotoflex type suspension. This seems to me to be a juxtaposing methodology. The Spring that comes with a rotoflex is much stiffer than the swing-spring and does not allow the car to have as much body roll as with the swing-spring. Please explain. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barry Schwartz Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 09:02 To: Todd Bermudez Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Rotoflex vs Early axle length Todd, First off, if the axles are truly sliding type, then it would appear that whoever had the car before had the truly independent suspension of the rotoflex car in there - that is to say that the suspension has the lower wishbones and uprights of a MK2 or early MK3 GT6. This would be almost identical to the setup that I have on my Spitfire, which is a MK2 GT6 rotoflex, with TR6 sliding type axles, and heavy duty SWING SPRING. You would not want to use a camber compensator on this type of suspension (not sure if it would even fit with the lower wishbones anyway). The axle length is actually in between that of the early Spitfires (MK1-3, and that of the later 1500) The early Spitfires and MK1 GT6 had a rear track of 48 inches, the GT6 rotoflex had a rear track of 49 inches, and the Spitfire 1500 and late GT6 (Swing Spring) had a track length of 50 inches. If in fact you have sliding (rotoflex) type suspension like mine the best thing to use if you leave in the sliding type axles is a swing spring for a GT6 as well. The sliding axles MUST have the lower wishbones to retain the hub uprights in place. As a foot note, all rear springs, fixed, Swing, early, late, etc that fit the Spitfire/GT6 range, no matter what year, type, or rate, are the same length. There are no long or short springs. There are different rate springs, and contrary to popular belief, the spring rate is actually softer in the GT6 (for the boulevard ride that Triumph was trying to achieve) there wasn't that much weight difference in the weight over the rear axles from the Spitfire, the weight was mostly that big six up over the front axle - There are however long or short axles - So the short answer is that if you want to use a camber compensator on this car - you will have to replace the axles and uprights with early Spitfire/GT6 uprights and solid axles with a fixed spring- And of course you all know how I feel about that :-) Barry Schwartz La Mesa, CA (San Diego) _______________________________________________ From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 16:40:05 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 Message-ID: <157513.56866.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> All, I've sourced a '79 Spitfire diff for my GT6. I have not received it & probably won't for a several weeks. But it's cold & I'm in no rush at this point. My question is the 79 a direct bolt in replacement for a GT6 MK1? Meaning are there 6 stud holes(on top) on the later diffs or only 4. If there are only 4, do I need to use the back half of the GT6 punkin'? Not done this before so please be gentle :) Cheers, Todd Bermudez #597 Cincinnati, OH '68 GT6 MK1 RHD From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jan 8 16:44:41 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:44:41 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 In-Reply-To: <157513.56866.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <157513.56866.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Todd, Unless someone has changed some of the components in your GT6, the Late Spit Diff should be a drop in replacement. However, I expect that you will find that the new diff has a different ratio than what came in the GT6. This will cause at minimum your speedometer to be incorrect. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Bermudez Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 16:40 To: NASS Spitfire; Spitfire List Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 All, I've sourced a '79 Spitfire diff for my GT6. I have not received it & probably won't for a several weeks. But it's cold & I'm in no rush at this point. My question is the 79 a direct bolt in replacement for a GT6 MK1? Meaning are there 6 stud holes(on top) on the later diffs or only 4. If there are only 4, do I need to use the back half of the GT6 punkin'? Not done this before so please be gentle :) Cheers, Todd Bermudez #597 Cincinnati, OH '68 GT6 MK1 RHD Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 16:46:41 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:46:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <452591.574.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Joe, The speedo already read slow(i think) so who knows what it'll do now. I think I had taller tyres than stock as well...still read slow:-) So the Spit diff has 6 stud holes? Cheers, Todd --- Joe Curry wrote: > Todd, > Unless someone has changed some of the components in > your GT6, the Late Spit > Diff should be a drop in replacement. However, I > expect that you will find > that the new diff has a different ratio than what > came in the GT6. This > will cause at minimum your speedometer to be > incorrect. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Todd Bermudez > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 16:40 > To: NASS Spitfire; Spitfire List > Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 > > All, > > I've sourced a '79 Spitfire diff for my GT6. I have > not received it & probably won't for a several > weeks. > But it's cold & I'm in no rush at this point. > > My question is the 79 a direct bolt in replacement > for > a GT6 MK1? Meaning are there 6 stud holes(on top) > on > the later diffs or only 4. If there are only 4, do > I > need to use the back half of the GT6 punkin'? Not > done this before so please be gentle :) > > Cheers, > > Todd Bermudez #597 > Cincinnati, OH > '68 GT6 MK1 RHD > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jan 8 16:49:30 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:49:30 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 In-Reply-To: <157513.56866.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <157513.56866.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, I forgot to mention that the Spitfire diff case has only 4 spring attachment studs whereas the T6 case has 6. You should be able to use the GT6 case on with the Spit differential, but there isn't much downside to using only the 4 studs to attach the road spring as opposed to the 6 that is standard. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Bermudez Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 16:40 To: NASS Spitfire; Spitfire List Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 All, I've sourced a '79 Spitfire diff for my GT6. I have not received it & probably won't for a several weeks. But it's cold & I'm in no rush at this point. My question is the 79 a direct bolt in replacement for a GT6 MK1? Meaning are there 6 stud holes(on top) on the later diffs or only 4. If there are only 4, do I need to use the back half of the GT6 punkin'? Not done this before so please be gentle :) Cheers, Todd Bermudez #597 Cincinnati, OH '68 GT6 MK1 RHD Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From jimmuller at rcn.com Thu Jan 8 21:48:18 2009 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 In-Reply-To: <452591.574.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <496690C2.13187.12C5DAA5@localhost> On 8 Jan 2009 at 15:46, Todd Bermudez wrote: > So the Spit diff has 6 stud holes? Ooh, good question. The Spitfire used only 4 studs. I can't recall whether mine had 6 holes. If the casing has all 6 holes the unused two might be filled with gunk or rust. In any case, it is easy to swap the pumpkin. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Thu Jan 8 21:51:51 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:51:51 -0500 Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 In-Reply-To: <496690C2.13187.12C5DAA5@localhost> References: <496690C2.13187.12C5DAA5@localhost> Message-ID: 6 holes for a GT6 or early spit fixed spring; later spits with the swing spring had the 4 holes. All 3.89 diffs I've seen have 4 holes, as they are swing spring cars, all 4.11 early spit and 3.27 GT6 diffs have 6 holes, as they were fixed spring cars. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Jan 8, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Jim Muller wrote: On 8 Jan 2009 at 15:46, Todd Bermudez wrote: > So the Spit diff has 6 stud holes? Ooh, good question. The Spitfire used only 4 studs. I can't recall whether mine had 6 holes. If the casing has all 6 holes the unused two might be filled with gunk or rust. In any case, it is easy to swap the pumpkin. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 06:18:58 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:18:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] >>NASS steering wheel match up In-Reply-To: <0D0A8A13B3DC4D8EB279650F2DD2C69A@dragonlair> Message-ID: <682683.26826.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Paul According to the Moto Lita page (http://www.moto-lita.co.uk/our-products/bosskit-product-detail01.aspx), the TR7 hub is unique...no other TRiumph model uses that hub. Cheers, Todd Bermudez #597 Cincinnati, OH 68 GT6 MK1 RHD --- PAUL TEGLER wrote: > Does anyone know if the post '78 (larger spline) > steering wheel hub is the > same for the very late Spit and the TR7? > > tia > > Paul Tegler > ptegler at verizon.net > www.teglerizer.com From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Fri Jan 9 06:21:12 2009 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:21:12 -0500 Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 Message-ID: <380-22009159132112287@M2W022.mail2web.com> Todd - Short answer is yes, you will need to change the back half if you want to use the fixed spring. Not a major job, remove the stub axles by removing the 4 allen head screws retaining the plates. Remove the plates and axles, remove all the bolts holding the pumpkin on, pop the back off, replace (reverse order of removal) with new gasket, smear a little sealant on the stub axle retaining flanges, (no gaskets were ever used here) bolt them back on and your set. Everything should bolt right up - the only "problem" is that it is probably a 3.63 ratio - 76 and later Spitfires had this ratio - so the speedo would be off - and you wont have quite the torque as you would with the 3.89 ratio that stock GT6's with overdrives had, but a tad more than the stock GT6 without overdrive, which used the 3.27 gears (at least on this side of the pond)- Over in England they all had 3.27 ration - can only imagine how tall the gearing with the overdrive engaged would be - But on the bright side, the diff will be a bit more robust because it has the stronger carrier - Barry Schwartz Original Message: ----------------- I've sourced a '79 Spitfire diff for my GT6. I have not received it & probably won't for a several weeks. But it's cold & I'm in no rush at this point. My question is the 79 a direct bolt in replacement for a GT6 MK1? Meaning are there 6 stud holes(on top) on the later diffs or only 4. If there are only 4, do I need to use the back half of the GT6 punkin'? Not done this before so please be gentle :) ://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Fri Jan 9 06:28:57 2009 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:28:57 -0500 Subject: [Spits] >>NASS steering wheel match up Message-ID: <380-22009159132857879@M2W004.mail2web.com> Not entirely sure that the Mota Lita site is correct - the Spitfire used the same column as the TR7 starting in 1976 I believe, weather or not the hub was the same I am not certain, but it would stand to reason that it could or would be - More research would be necessary - I would cross check the Triumph part numbers to make sure - Barry Schwartz Original Message: ----------------- Hi Paul According to the Moto Lita page (http://www.moto-lita.co.uk/our-products/bosskit-product-detail01.aspx), the TR7 hub is unique...no other TRiumph model uses that hub. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From bill at gingerich.us Fri Jan 9 08:08:41 2009 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:08:41 -0600 Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 In-Reply-To: <380-22009159132112287@M2W022.mail2web.com> References: <380-22009159132112287@M2W022.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <7B0A6D39826C44F0BE38C0B9E0238A14@shack2> Barry, Are you sure about the 3.63 ratio? I wasn't aware that the 3.63 was used in the US Spitfires at all. All the documentation I've ever seen shows either 4.11 or 3.89 in the Spits. BillG OKC -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of v6spitfireguy at cox.net Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:21 AM To: red_tr250 at yahoo.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 Todd - Short answer is yes, you will need to change the back half if you want to use the fixed spring. Not a major job, remove the stub axles by removing the 4 allen head screws retaining the plates. Remove the plates and axles, remove all the bolts holding the pumpkin on, pop the back off, replace (reverse order of removal) with new gasket, smear a little sealant on the stub axle retaining flanges, (no gaskets were ever used here) bolt them back on and your set. Everything should bolt right up - the only "problem" is that it is probably a 3.63 ratio - 76 and later Spitfires had this ratio - so the speedo would be off - and you wont have quite the torque as you would with the 3.89 ratio that stock GT6's with overdrives had, but a tad more than the stock GT6 without overdrive, which used the 3.27 gears (at least on this side of the pond)- Over in England they all had 3.27 ration - can only imagine how tall the gearing with the overdrive engaged would be - But on the bright side, the diff will be a bit more robust because it has the stronger carrier - Barry Schwartz Original Message: ----------------- I've sourced a '79 Spitfire diff for my GT6. I have not received it & probably won't for a several weeks. But it's cold & I'm in no rush at this point. My question is the 79 a direct bolt in replacement for a GT6 MK1? Meaning are there 6 stud holes(on top) on the later diffs or only 4. If there are only 4, do I need to use the back half of the GT6 punkin'? Not done this before so please be gentle :) ://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From buss3 at rogers.com Fri Jan 9 08:34:32 2009 From: buss3 at rogers.com (Grant Buss) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:34:32 -0500 Subject: [Spits] coilovers Message-ID: Can anyone please tell me an approximate weight of the back end of a 1500 Spitfire ?? I am trying to decide what springs to get for my coilovers . From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Fri Jan 9 09:42:06 2009 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Spits] 79 Differential in a GT6 Message-ID: <380-2200915916426941@M2W017.mail2web.com> You may be right, I may be thinking of TR7's wich share the same internals, but some of the diffs that I have taken apart have had 3.63 gears in them - my current diff, has one of those gear sets - and I have another laying about somewhere - The 3.63 WAS used in the UK spec Spitfires though - It's been quite a while since I did the research, and unfortunately, I didn't document any of it - now relying on my somewhat faulty aged memory :-) **************original message******************** Barry, Are you sure about the 3.63 ratio? I wasn't aware that the 3.63 was used in the US Spitfires at all. All the documentation I've ever seen shows either 4.11 or 3.89 in the Spits. BillG OKC - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com Fri Jan 9 10:17:00 2009 From: Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com (Jim Holmgren) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:17:00 -0500 Subject: [Spits] coilovers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A1055F3C9314142A922A9FC6AC21A6106DDD0FD0C@BALT-EMAIL.corp.advertising.com> Hi Grant, You might want to contact Paul Geithner. He hangs out on the NASS list, not sure if he's on this one, but he is pretty much "Mr Suspension" when it comes to this stuff. He's probably played with a couple of dozen configurations and setups. He's also written some nice spreadsheets and other tools for playing "what if" with various springs and suspension components. Jim NASS Club Secretary '68 Spitfire Mk3 (SOLD!) '75 Spitfire 1500 '77 Spitfire 1500 w/OD (For Sale) NASS #302 York, PA www.littlebluespitfire.com The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer. From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Mon Jan 12 10:05:54 2009 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:05:54 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Triumph 1300/1500 FWD axles Message-ID: <380-22009111217554469@M2W015.mail2web.com> Listers Does anybody know of a source for the 1300/1500 FWD axle, specifically the outer portion with the CV joint? Possibly even a site with information etc. Ive not been able to locate much if any information on these items  and am considering a project that might utilize some. These were used in the Triumph front wheel drive sedans, and it is my understanding that they will bolt right in place of the outer axles on the GT6  Doing a search gave me little if any results  for these used or new, even on Ebay - I would have thought that these would have been quite common - at least at one time - Barry Schwartz San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Jan 12 13:00:26 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:00:26 -0000 Subject: [Spits] [TR] Triumph 1300/1500 FWD axles References: <20090112173539.2318.qmail@s465.sureserver.com> Message-ID: <2AC67D5C1B2C42BC9E9B3C861A2840A1@Bevan> Have a look at The Triumph Dolomite Club website - and parts suppliers at www.triumphdolomite.co.uk/specialists.html The Club is UK based but the 1300/1500 FWD model range is within its profile. Sure someone there could help you Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph 1300/1500 FWD axles > Most older Triumph sedans are listed under the Rover umbrella in the UK ... have a look at as an > example: > http://www.atozcarparts.co.uk/catalog/ctlcvjoints/Make/ROVER%20GROUP/Model/TRIUMPH%20MODELS/Description/1.3.html > > ************** > Tony Gordon > 72 TR6 > ************** > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net >> Subject: [TR] Triumph 1300/1500 FWD axles >> Sent: Jan 12 '09 12:05 >> >> Listers >> Does anybody know of a source for the 1300/1500 FWD axle, specifically the >> outer portion with the CV joint? Possibly even a site with information >> etc. Ive not been able to locate much if any information on these items  >> and am considering a project that might utilize some. These were used in >> the Triumph front wheel drive sedans, and it is my understanding that they >> will bolt right in place of the outer axles on the GT6  Doing a search >> gave me little if any results  for these used or new, even on Ebay - I >> would have thought that these would have been quite common - at least at >> one time - >> >> Barry Schwartz >> San Diego, CA > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as standardtriumph at btinternet.com > > http://www.team.net/archive From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Jan 14 15:07:53 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:07:53 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Updates on the Triumph Trans-AmeriCa website Message-ID: <942E00A5F16D4412AFF9BDF136910D72@Bevan> There are four new features on the website www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk at this moment: 1. A photo of the Stag's distributor being checked for accuracy under various advance settings 2. The opportunity to make on-line donations to whichever of the three charities/non-profits you may want to support 3. A *slightly' revised map, and 4. A day by day breakout of where the Drive will be during July this year. A few things in terms of venues and dates need to be firmed up for August and September and as soon as this is done, I'll expand the page and notify the lists. Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From maya2blue at juno.com Tue Jan 20 10:55:43 2009 From: maya2blue at juno.com (Harve) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:55:43 GMT Subject: [Spits] how to use Hylomar?? Message-ID: <20090120.115543.26981.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Okay - dumb question here! I am using Hylomar Universal Blue (tube) on a gasket - Do I put the Hylomar on both sides of the gasket and on the metal on both sides? Or ??? Many thanks! Harve Harve Thorn NASS # 79 ____________________________________________________________ Purify your water with professional water treatment. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2uXsrgSJ9RmdDlZm82pYNsjfAdt CvqC8TFo0RZClamXbxN2/ From opposumking at verizon.net Tue Jan 20 12:02:55 2009 From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Spits] >>NASS how to use Hylomar?? References: <20090120.115543.26981.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001201c97b31$b5ba9e10$230bfea9@mde.state.md.us> You don't it with a gasket, you use it instead of a gasket. Hylomar doesn't dry and stick. Using it with a gasket results in the gasket not being held in place, and the gasket much more easily can be blown out. >From the technical data sheet: "Hylomar Universal Blue should be applied to clean dry surfaces. Apply a thin film or bead to one or both surfaces. Once applied, sufficient time should be allowed for the solvent to evaporate. Unlimited assembly time allows precise alignment of joints to be made. Due to the nature of the compound, fasteners may be required to be re-tightened to the correct torque." http://www.hylomar-usa.com/_resources/_pdf/Hylomar_Univ_Data.pdf From vicwhit3 at rogers.com Wed Jan 21 08:40:48 2009 From: vicwhit3 at rogers.com (Vic Whitmore) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:40:48 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Mk III Seat diaphragms Message-ID: <49774200.3060401@rogers.com> I need to replace diaphragms in a Mk III Spitfire with Highback seats. I can't find these anywhere. Rimmer Bros. say they are no longer available and offer a strap kit. TR-6 diaphragms are readily available and also fit Herald/Vitesse seats. Is this a viable work-around? Vic W From dlachance at hemmings.com Wed Jan 21 10:57:12 2009 From: dlachance at hemmings.com (David LaChance) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:57:12 -0500 Subject: [Spits] differential reassembly Message-ID: <03F9EBBBEEE1224F813E61CDA169C036B28F7C@ENTXCHBE01A.amcity.com> Greetings to the list! Here's a question for the differential experts out there. After replacing all the seals and the quarter shaft bearings on my differential, I reassembled the case and inserted the quarter shafts, only to find that there was a noticeable notchiness when I rotated the shafts. With the back cover removed and a quarter shaft inserted, the spider gears would turn smoothly when the shaft was held at just the right angle. Tilting the shaft by a few degrees in any direction would result in that notchy feeling. I didn't remove the ring gear/spider assembly. The spider gears seemed to be in excellent shape, with zero play. I think the quarter shaft/spider relationship might have been changed ever so slightly when I replaced the differential case gasket. The new paper gasket seemed a bit thicker than the original. Do I need to be concerned about this? Is the fact that I can wiggle that side spider gear a tiny bit with the quarter shaft in it (and the cover off) an indication that the fiber washer -- which is still present -- should be replaced? And if so, is there any way to do that without removing the whole spider/ring gear assembly? (I don't have a case spreader to get the whole thing back together again.) Or do I just need to just put everything back together and stop worrying about it? Many thanks, Dave LaChance Williamstown, MA 1978 1500 NASS #457 From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jan 21 13:05:42 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:05:42 -0500 Subject: [Spits] differential reassembly In-Reply-To: <03F9EBBBEEE1224F813E61CDA169C036B28F7C@ENTXCHBE01A.amcity.com> References: <03F9EBBBEEE1224F813E61CDA169C036B28F7C@ENTXCHBE01A.amcity.com> Message-ID: <000e01c97c03$a42b3150$ec8193f0$@com> I noticed a clicking from the rear of my 74 Spitfire a couple of years ago. It occurred on turning, not going straight. (you can feel the clicking by turning only one stub-axle and holding the other stationary). To skip the long story about replacing the u-joints... It turned out to be the washer/bearings (cup shaped) behind 2 of the spider gears. Ted Schumacher sent me the replacements, which I have yet to install (I had a good spare diff). Still wondering how much I need to disassemble to do the job. With the case off you can feel the looseness of the 2 spiders if this is the culprit. Possibly... Clark From zoboherald at aol.com Wed Jan 21 13:15:14 2009 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:15:14 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Mk III Seat diaphragms In-Reply-To: <49774200.3060401@rogers.com> References: <49774200.3060401@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8CB4A1C1B0253CB-1364-B2E@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Vic Whitmore I need to replace diaphragms in a Mk III Spitfire with Highback seats. I can't find these anywhere. Rimmer Bros. say they are no longer available and offer a strap kit.? ? TR-6 diaphragms are readily available and also fit Herald/Vitesse seats. Is this a viable work-around?? ? ==AM== Maybe someone can answer the part of your question about whether the TR6 diaphragm will fit, but even Newton Commercial, pretty much THE source for original style upholstery, lists only a strap kit: --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From parrotthead01 at comcast.net Thu Jan 22 04:58:40 2009 From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel Parrott) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:58:40 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 Oil Pan Message-ID: <00ce01c97c88$c43369b0$4c9a3d10$@net> Is the GT6 Oil Pan the same at the TR6? Also, does anyone have a good source for "Brooklands Green" paint, code HAE? TIA Dan Parrott Savannah, Ga. 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" 1973/1978 Triumph Spit Six "Old Joe" From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 22 10:16:54 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:16:54 -0700 Subject: [Spits] GT6 Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <00ce01c97c88$c43369b0$4c9a3d10$@net> References: <00ce01c97c88$c43369b0$4c9a3d10$@net> Message-ID: <4978AA06.9060509@bradakis.com> Daniel Parrott wrote: > Is the GT6 Oil Pan the same at the TR6? > > > No, the GT6 pan is more shallow and has a clearance dimple for the steering rack. The two pans can not be interchanged. mjb. From hupshall at triumphcars.com Sat Jan 24 18:03:39 2009 From: hupshall at triumphcars.com (Huw Upshall) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:03:39 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Looking for a spitfire owner in Portland Oregon Message-ID: I've got an email from a new spitfire owner down in Portland Oregon who's looking for a mentor of sorts to help him with his spitfire. Can anybody help out? From jimmuller at rcn.com Sat Jan 24 20:14:49 2009 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Looking for a spitfire owner in Portland Oregon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <497B92D9.5011.EEE411@localhost> On 24 Jan 2009 at 17:03, Huw Upshall wrote: > I've got an email from a new spitfire owner down in Portland Oregon > who's looking for a mentor of sorts to help him with his spitfire. > Can anybody help out? Why shucks, you've come to the right place. Lots of us can help him out, that's what we do. Of course if he needs someone in person that's a car of a different feather. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From bberger720 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 25 16:12:43 2009 From: bberger720 at sbcglobal.net (Berger Bob) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:12:43 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Headrest Foam Message-ID: <6EFD8A53-9E6D-4287-B945-11161F73CD2C@sbcglobal.net> I'm in the process of rebuilding my seats and am wondering what anyone has done for replacement foam for the headrests? I have the replacement covers but there is no foam left in my old headrests. Canley Classics is the only place I have found the foam on line that sells just the foam. I this my only option? Thanks Berger Bob 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com Mon Jan 26 12:16:25 2009 From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Headrest Foam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bob, When I rebuilt my seats a couple years ago my wife restuffed the headrests using pieces from a sleeping bag foam pad; the blue ones you find in the sporting good section of Walmart and the like. Mark 80 Spitfire 1500 Corunna, ON From: Berger Bob Subject: [Spits] Headrest Foam I'm in the process of rebuilding my seats and am wondering what anyone has done for replacement foam for the headrests? I have the replacement covers but there is no foam left in my old headrests. Canley Classics is the only place I have found the foam on line that sells just the foam. I this my only option? Thanks Berger Bob, 78 Spitfire, St. Louis, MO From nmoseley at dccnet.com Mon Jan 26 12:25:45 2009 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:25:45 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Headrest Foam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <569C183762C44A72837B00E0EDBA8BB3@yourb27fb1c401> I love that can-do attitude Mark, and nice to have your wife involved in your project. Cheers, from the left coast. Nick Moseley, Metro Vancouver 76-81 Spits and GT6 -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mark.jones at exxonmobil.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:16 AM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Headrest Foam Hi Bob, When I rebuilt my seats a couple years ago my wife restuffed the headrests using pieces from a sleeping bag foam pad; the blue ones you find in the sporting good section of Walmart and the like. Mark 80 Spitfire 1500 Corunna, ON From s1500 at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 09:03:44 2009 From: s1500 at comcast.net (s1500 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls Message-ID: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> A few weeks ago I was watching this stupid teen sex comedy "Gas Pump Girls" made in '79. I figured to myself: hey, I'm bored, maybe there will be some late 70s LBCs featured on the road. My hunch was correct. At the gas station, a nice red Spitty shows up prominently on camera. A few minutes later, I swear I saw an Inca yellow Spit. The quality of these pics are horrible since I had to do precise freeze-framing & take the picture off the TV. But enjoy. That red spit is straight-up pimpin. http://home.comcast.net/~s1500/stuff/DSC00808.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~s1500/stuff/DSC00807.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~s1500/stuff/DSC00809.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~s1500/stuff/DSC00810.JPG And here's the barely-visible yellow spit, behind the truck. http://home.comcast.net/~s1500/stuff/DSC00811.JPG Yay! From zoboherald at aol.com Tue Jan 27 09:09:23 2009 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Spits] >>NASS GT6 Spit gearbox interchangeable In-Reply-To: <927833.40825.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <927833.40825.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB4EB0C048EECA-6A4-672@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Todd Bermudez I'm wanting to know if the GT6 & Spit gearbox are interchangeable? Is it just a matter of swapping the bell housing? I have a GT6 gearbox that someone wants for their Herald. ==AM== Basically, no. It can be done, but not without a good bit more parts swapping. Big problem is the input shaft, which is larger for the GT6 than the Herald/Spitfire. Also, the GT6 ratios wouldn't be all that suitable for a (near) stock Herald. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From doug at dougbraun.com Tue Jan 27 09:48:54 2009 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:48:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They forgot to put a license plate on it! My Spit seems to attract only 5 to 10 year-old girls. :-( Doug Braun '72 Spit From Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com Tue Jan 27 09:56:07 2009 From: Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com (Jim Holmgren) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:56:07 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A1055F3C9314142A922A9FC6AC21A6106E1BFAB70@BALT-EMAIL.corp.advertising.com> Interesting writeup on the movie on IMDB...and you can watch the whole movie online for free (I presume) here: www.fancast.com/movies/Gas-Pump-Girls/42137/videos Disclaimer - I've never used "Fancast" so I'm not certain as to the legitimacy of the service, but it looks like it is a legit offering from Comcast as far as I can tell. Jim NASS #302 NASS Club Secretary '75 Spitfire 1500 '77 Spitfire 1500 w/OD (For Sale) '68 Spitfire Mk3 (SOLD!) www.littlebluespitfire.com York, PA The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 27 09:57:37 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3509401CF469422A9408397391258402@joepentiumnew> Mine attract Very old women in addition to those 5-10 year olds! :( Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Braun Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:49 AM To: spitfires at autox.team.net; s1500 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls They forgot to put a license plate on it! My Spit seems to attract only 5 to 10 year-old girls. :-( Doug Braun '72 Spit Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From krhodes1 at maine.rr.com Tue Jan 27 10:00:37 2009 From: krhodes1 at maine.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:00:37 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <3509401CF469422A9408397391258402@joepentiumnew> References: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3509401CF469422A9408397391258402@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <20090127170032.QYUC6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> LOL - I second this. Plus small boys, who think it is a Ferrari (Freddy is very red). -Kevin At 11:57 AM 1/27/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >Mine attract Very old women in addition to those 5-10 year olds! :( > >Joe From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 27 10:14:55 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:14:55 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <20090127170032.QYUC6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> References: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3509401CF469422A9408397391258402@joepentiumnew> <20090127170032.QYUC6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <2634118A190D49518623B2B440EDE4A2@joepentiumnew> Hey, Did anyone notice that the Gas station attendant is Huntz Hall who played Sach in the Bowery Boys Movies? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Rhodes [mailto:krhodes1 at maine.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: Joe Curry; 'Doug Braun'; spitfires at autox.team.net; s1500 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls LOL - I second this. Plus small boys, who think it is a Ferrari (Freddy is very red). -Kevin At 11:57 AM 1/27/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >Mine attract Very old women in addition to those 5-10 year olds! :( > >Joe From doug at dougbraun.com Tue Jan 27 10:30:43 2009 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:30:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <830545.11932.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You might want to add to this the Internet Movie Cars Database: http://www.imcdb.org Doug --- On Tue, 1/27/09, s1500 at comcast.net wrote: > From: s1500 at comcast.net > Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:03 AM > A few weeks ago I was watching this stupid teen sex comedy > "Gas Pump Girls" made in '79. I figured to > myself: hey, I'm bored, maybe there will be some late > 70s LBCs featured on the road. My hunch was correct. At the > gas station, a nice red Spitty shows up prominently on > camera. A few minutes later, I swear I saw an Inca yellow > Spit. The quality of these pics are horrible since I had to > do precise freeze-framing & take the picture off the TV. > But enjoy. That red spit is straight-up pimpin. From pnhnt at insight.rr.com Tue Jan 27 15:37:11 2009 From: pnhnt at insight.rr.com (The Jefferson Family) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <20090127170032.QYUC6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> References: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3509401CF469422A9408397391258402@joepentiumnew> <20090127170032.QYUC6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <002801c980cf$cbd9e450$638dacf0$@rr.com> I get the Ferrari thing at school all the time. However, I get girls that are late teens and early 20's looking at mine. R/ Howard -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Rhodes Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:01 PM To: Joe Curry; 'Doug Braun'; spitfires at autox.team.net; s1500 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls LOL - I second this. Plus small boys, who think it is a Ferrari (Freddy is very red). -Kevin At 11:57 AM 1/27/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >Mine attract Very old women in addition to those 5-10 year olds! :( > >Joe Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From bill at gingerich.us Tue Jan 27 19:56:15 2009 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:56:15 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <2634118A190D49518623B2B440EDE4A2@joepentiumnew> References: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><3509401CF469422A9408397391258402@joepentiumnew><20090127170032.QYUC6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> <2634118A190D49518623B2B440EDE4A2@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <150A24229B6D4BEA9453358A09C7EEE2@shack2> I thought he looked familiar, but couldn't place it. BillG OKC -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM To: 'Kevin Rhodes' Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls Hey, Did anyone notice that the Gas station attendant is Huntz Hall who played Sach in the Bowery Boys Movies? Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Rhodes [mailto:krhodes1 at maine.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: Joe Curry; 'Doug Braun'; spitfires at autox.team.net; s1500 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls LOL - I second this. Plus small boys, who think it is a Ferrari (Freddy is very red). -Kevin At 11:57 AM 1/27/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >Mine attract Very old women in addition to those 5-10 year olds! :( > >Joe Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 07:13:12 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:13:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] GT6 Running Warm revisited Message-ID: <644199.82259.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, On these cold days, I got to thinkin' about the wife's GT6. It's a slightly warmed up MK2 engine(block is decked at least) When we first took possesion of it, it had a hose running from the valve cover to the side of a radiator overflow bottle & then vented to the air. I'm assuming this would catch any oil AND tend to cool the engine(some)? The vacuum port on the intake was plugged & the PCV valve was gone. Wanting to keep it original, I put the PCV valve back in the loop & did away with the overflow bottle. I noticed that it was running hot. Honestly, I don't remember if it was prior to that, but I don't think it was. Could this be a method of keeping an engine cool? TIA, Todd Bermudez #597 '68 GT6 MK1(rhd) Cincinnati, OH Probably another one soon From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 07:33:36 2009 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:33:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] >>NASS Re: GT6 Running Warm revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <781069.44799.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Pete, Let me clarify a few things... The water overflow bottle was to vent the valve cover. The car does have a radiator overflow bottle. I know the engine runs between 200 & say 205-207 at speed on a hot day. I installed an aftermarket capillary style gauge. I installed an electric fan as a pusher and I wired it into the ignition so that when power is switched on, it's on. I also installed a plastic yellow fan rather than the metal fan that it came with. I flushed the system many times. I installed a new thermostat. I also ran it without a thermostat. Didn't seem to make a difference. What I plan to do this spring/summer is add a radiator shroud, eliminate the stock fan & make the pusher fan a puller fan in hopes of unblocking the front, have the radiator checked out. And if that all doesn't work, then add an oil cooler/w thermostat. Just wondering if venting the engine to the air would keep it cool(er) than not venting? Cheers, Todd Bermudez # 597 '68 GT6 MK1 RHD) Cincinnati, OH --- Pete wrote: > I may be new to Spits and GT6s, but far as I can > recall on any car, > You need the overflow bottle. As the radiator gets > hot it expands, > pulling more water from the bottle. I always thought > "overflow" was a > bad name for it. I would keep your PCV for sure, but > I would put that > bottle back on. Give it a shot and see if it still > gets too hot. From rbgosling at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 07:56:03 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:56:03 +0000 Subject: [Spits] GT6 Running Warm revisited In-Reply-To: <644199.82259.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <644199.82259.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9f2527520901280656w5e35c7a0jb943e70fba302a82@mail.gmail.com> I don't know for sure. But, gut instinct, I doubt this makes any significant contribution to cooling. Sounds more like a DPO bodge to get rid of the PCV valve, no more. For any effective air cooling there would need to be a continuous stream of cool air entering the valve cover, which would then require a separate outlet for the warmed air to come out again. With this vent pipe, the only flow along it will be a (hopefully slow) passage of blowby gases coming out of the valve cover. Richard From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jan 28 09:12:26 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:12:26 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire sighting! Gas Pump Girls In-Reply-To: <2634118A190D49518623B2B440EDE4A2@joepentiumnew> References: <307707964.1543251233072224149.JavaMail.root@sz0130a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <461554.76354.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3509401CF469422A9408397391258402@joepentiumnew> <20090127170032.QYUC6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> <2634118A190D49518623B2B440EDE4A2@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <002501c98163$36056b40$a21041c0$@com> I'm showing my age, but how about Joe E. Ross (officer Toody of Car 54 Where Are You) as the first thug, Bruno, to get the 2x4 to the head? Oooh Oooh... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0743533/ Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Hey, Did anyone notice that the Gas station attendant is Huntz Hall who played Sach in the Bowery Boys Movies? Joe From joe at ados.net Wed Jan 28 13:49:56 2009 From: joe at ados.net (joe at ados.net) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:49:56 -0800 Subject: [Spits] GT6 Running Warm revisited Message-ID: <6b6b42fe8b7346eba52a5ad88843eebd.joe@ados.net> The one thing to consider in this is that if you didn't make any other changes/adjustments, the car may now be running lean as the PVC system will add some air (from blowby) into the intake tract after the carburetors. You may need to richen the mixture a bit to compensate. ------- Original Message ------- >From : Richard Gosling[mailto:rbgosling at googlemail.com] Sent : 1/28/2009 6:56:03 AM To : red_tr250 at yahoo.com Cc : nass at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject : RE: Re: [Spits] GT6 Running Warm revisited I don't know for sure. But, gut instinct, I doubt this makes any significant contribution to cooling. Sounds more like a DPO bodge to get rid of the PCV valve, no more. For any effective air cooling there would need to be a continuous stream of cool air entering the valve cover, which would then require a separate outlet for the warmed air to come out again. With this vent pipe, the only flow along it will be a (hopefully slow) passage of blowby gases coming out of the valve cover. Richard Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where Speed & Service Have Always Mattered @ http://www.ados.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 28 17:46:14 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:46:14 -0700 Subject: [Spits] GT6 Rear end. Message-ID: <358F1B464AAF4B0A9B9127DBE724E964@joepentiumnew> I was recently contacted by the owner of a GT6 who says that his rear end recently went out. Rather than pay the big bucks to have it rebuilt, he is wondering if anyone has a 3.27:1 diff assembly (GT6+) in good condition that they need to part with at a reasonable price. Anyone who has one, please send your contact information to me and I will forward it to the buyer. No financial interest on my part, just trying to help out a Triumph guy! Thanks, Joe