From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 11:42:36 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:42:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Spits] 1951 Truimph 1800 roadster on craigslist NorCal Message-ID: <6072794.1225824156474.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/898207965.html Engine runs great. 4 speed. Car can be convertible or the shell can be put on. $21,000 or best offer. Needs paint on back fender / panel. amazing condition, awesome engine, 4 speed; must double clutch to put in/out of third. needs paint on back fender. gas gage doesn't work. call Lynda 530-623-2017 Price: $ 21,000.00 or Offer Make: Triumph Model: 1800 Roadster Year: 1947 Miles: 50 K From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 7 12:46:15 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:46:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Spits] Trailer for sale - located in South Carolina Message-ID: <12928563.1226087175629.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> FYI - Trailer for sale - located in South Carolina Rick Feibusch Venice, CA -----Forwarded Message----- Subject: Trailer For Sale Hi Rick, I want to get rid of my flat bed trailer that I had custom built for transporting my MG T-series cars and the Triumph TR6 Has a power winch and front shileld to protect the cars from stones etc. Excellent condition throughout. Needs nothing. Located on Hilton Head Island in South Carolina I have moved and have limited space. The trailer has always been kept under cover. $2,500 Geoff Wheatley Phone:843-341-6155 MDGIGEOFFREY at AOL.COM From nmoseley at dccnet.com Sun Nov 9 18:04:20 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:04:20 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Help please: ignition Message-ID: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> I'm trying to start my project engine, but I have no spark at the plugs. I have full voltage at battery. With ignition key turned to run position, there are 12 volts at the coil. I've tried two coils, and get the same response: which is one spark when I first turn the key to Start, then no more sparks. Any suggestions? I'm at the point where I might try an electronic ignition dizzy, because this points version has got me beat. Other pertinent info is that this is a 76 1500, newly rebuilt, and this is the first start. Would this be the symptom if I had the timing gear out by 180 degrees? Might it be a bad condenser? Should I try rotating the plug wires on the dizzy? (ie. Move #1 to where #3 was located, and 3 to where 4 was, etc) Many Thanks Nick Moseley, NASS #278, 76-81 Spits, GT 6, Metro Vancouver B.C. From opposumking at verizon.net Sun Nov 9 18:55:53 2008 From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Help please: ignition References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> Message-ID: <1172A0CD047C4BE1AB1E5C06D4DFD6C9@CPQ12949640186> You say you've no spark at the plugs, ok. Have you checked for spark at the coil? From todjones at comcast.net Sun Nov 9 19:09:36 2008 From: todjones at comcast.net (Tod Jones) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:09:36 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Help please: ignition References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> Message-ID: <91C6BE55F09A4D1B9AF4063460197886@tod> Your balast wire might be bad or disconnected.when you first turn the key the ballast resistor is bypassed giving your coil 12 volts to make starting easier. Then when you turn the key to the run position the ballast wire is used droping the voltage to 6 volts. If the ballast wire is bad or has bad connections it will not run. Check out http://www.triumphspitfire.com/images/wiring/76diagram.jpg in this wireing diagram it shows a pink wire with a white tracer as the ballast wire. This would be the first place to look. Tod Jones 67 Spit-6 Harrisonburg VA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Moseley" To: ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: [Spits] Help please: ignition > I'm trying to start my project engine, but I have no spark at the plugs. > > I have full voltage at battery. With ignition key turned to run position, > there are 12 volts at the coil. > > I've tried two coils, and get the same response: > > which is one spark when I first turn the key to Start, then no more > sparks. > > Any suggestions? > > I'm at the point where I might try an electronic ignition dizzy, because > this points version has got me beat. > > Other pertinent info is that this is a 76 1500, newly rebuilt, and this is > the first start. > > > > Would this be the symptom if I had the timing gear out by 180 degrees? > Might > it be a bad condenser? > > Should I try rotating the plug wires on the dizzy? (ie. Move #1 to where > #3 > was located, and 3 to where 4 was, etc) > > Many Thanks > > > > Nick Moseley, NASS #278, > > 76-81 Spits, GT 6, Metro Vancouver B.C. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From nmoseley at dccnet.com Sun Nov 9 19:03:58 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:03:58 -0800 Subject: [Spits] ] Help please: ignition In-Reply-To: <1172A0CD047C4BE1AB1E5C06D4DFD6C9@CPQ12949640186> References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> <1172A0CD047C4BE1AB1E5C06D4DFD6C9@CPQ12949640186> Message-ID: <05320E8E3750423595FC0F54A251520D@yourb27fb1c401> No, how should I do that? Turn on ignition and touch the wire that goes to the middle of the dizzy to ground? Nick M #278 -----Original Message----- From: spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com [mailto:spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nolan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:56 PM To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com; spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [spitfire-enthusiast] Re: [Spits] Help please: ignition You say you've no spark at the plugs, ok. Have you checked for spark at the coil? From fishplate at charter.net Sun Nov 9 19:07:20 2008 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Spits] >>NASS Help please: ignition In-Reply-To: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> Message-ID: <20081110020704.YCBK3522.aarprv04.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net> At 08:04 PM 11/9/2008, Nick Moseley wrote: >I've tried two coils, and get the same response: > >which is one spark when I first turn the key to Start, then no more sparks. > >Any suggestions? Bad points, or bad condenser. Put a plug wire directly to the coil, and ground the plug. With the motor turned so the points are closed, use a small screwdriver to open the points. You should get a spark... If not, make sure the condenser is not shorted - and make sure the wires from Dist. to coil aren't broken or shorted somewhere. Also check the wire that grounds the points plate to the distributor... Jeff Scarbrough 75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5 http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/ Athens, Georgia #354 From opposumking at verizon.net Sun Nov 9 19:53:32 2008 From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:53:32 -0500 Subject: [Spits] ] Help please: ignition References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> <1172A0CD047C4BE1AB1E5C06D4DFD6C9@CPQ12949640186> <05320E8E3750423595FC0F54A251520D@yourb27fb1c401> Message-ID: <7F2602AFEE664B75B5A8E33398824A9E@CPQ12949640186> Disconnect the coil wire out of the center of the distributor cap. Lay it down on something metal with just a little gap betwen the end of the wire and the metal it's laying on. Crank the engine over. You should see a nice series of steady quick sparks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Moseley" To: ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Spits] ] Help please: ignition > No, how should I do that? Turn on ignition and touch the wire that goes to > the middle of the dizzy to ground? From buss3 at rogers.com Mon Nov 10 08:16:53 2008 From: buss3 at rogers.com (Grant Buss) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:16:53 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Wheel sizes Message-ID: What is the offset size to use when you order new wheels for a Spitfire?? I have seen +.5 inches and -20 mm From nmoseley at dccnet.com Mon Nov 10 22:07:25 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:07:25 -0800 Subject: [Spits] >>NASS Help please: ignition References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> <5D8B59C3E68D463B8ABDC1C6511235D9@britbits> Message-ID: <64248B8C1EA34F71815347B79DDE044D@yourb27fb1c401> Many, many thanks for all the suggestions. This small issue of no spark is shaking my belief in the Spitfire gods. Earlier today, thinking that it might be cleaner just to put in the electronic ignition set because it included a dizzy as well as the magic box, I tried to install it. Ahem, the flat bar in the bottom of the shaft, that engages into the offset slot in the drive gear, would not engage. It is 180 degrees out. (Rotor points at 4 rather than 10 o'clock). Comparing the 25D dizzy I was using before, to this one, they are indeed reversed. This is, another, un-expected eventuality. (Wry smile). Using the electronic set-up, I turned the engine over with the plug wires in the normal position, and then changed them around so that #1 was at 4 o'clock and so forth. No change. There is no ballast resistor in the circuit at present. Tomorrow I'll remedy that, and use the suggestions to do more testing. It's not a good thing, but having lost my job 3 weeks ago, means I should have time to chase down this problem, eventually, with help from fellow listers and club members. Thanks! I'll advise of progress. Nick Moseley NASS #278 From spitlist at cox.net Mon Nov 10 22:34:53 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:34:53 -0700 Subject: [Spits] >>NASS Help please: ignition In-Reply-To: <64248B8C1EA34F71815347B79DDE044D@yourb27fb1c401> References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401><5D8B59C3E68D463B8ABDC1C6511235D9@britbits> <64248B8C1EA34F71815347B79DDE044D@yourb27fb1c401> Message-ID: <4E9F0E4C27604A099C33D21EDB91EEEB@newcomputer> Nick, The car will run with that gear positioned in any of the 360 degrees so long as you have the plug wires also positioned so that when #1 fires it is going to #1 plug. You can move the gear by using a large flat blade screwdriver and spinning the gear out. It will move a few degrees before it disengages the cam gear so it is imperative that you allow for that movement when you begin the process of finding the correct location. The correct position for number one plug wire is 10:00 o'clock on the distributor. I hope this helps. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nick Moseley Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:07 PM To: nass at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net; spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Spits] >>NASS Help please: ignition Many, many thanks for all the suggestions. This small issue of no spark is shaking my belief in the Spitfire gods. Earlier today, thinking that it might be cleaner just to put in the electronic ignition set because it included a dizzy as well as the magic box, I tried to install it. Ahem, the flat bar in the bottom of the shaft, that engages into the offset slot in the drive gear, would not engage. It is 180 degrees out. (Rotor points at 4 rather than 10 o'clock). Comparing the 25D dizzy I was using before, to this one, they are indeed reversed. This is, another, un-expected eventuality. (Wry smile). Using the electronic set-up, I turned the engine over with the plug wires in the normal position, and then changed them around so that #1 was at 4 o'clock and so forth. No change. There is no ballast resistor in the circuit at present. Tomorrow I'll remedy that, and use the suggestions to do more testing. It's not a good thing, but having lost my job 3 weeks ago, means I should have time to chase down this problem, eventually, with help from fellow listers and club members. Thanks! I'll advise of progress. Nick Moseley NASS #278 Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From stevebez at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 14:02:03 2008 From: stevebez at gmail.com (Steve Beswick) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:02:03 -0800 Subject: [Spits] mk1 timing Message-ID: <98FFE782-0103-4F2E-AAB5-270F9F4BA1A1@gmail.com> How do I check / adjust the ignition timing on a mk1 Spitfire? Where are the timing marks? From spitlist at cox.net Tue Nov 11 14:38:30 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:38:30 -0700 Subject: [Spits] mk1 timing In-Reply-To: <98FFE782-0103-4F2E-AAB5-270F9F4BA1A1@gmail.com> References: <98FFE782-0103-4F2E-AAB5-270F9F4BA1A1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <550848620F974A54BE6B9F7104C9D164@newcomputer> The Mk1 has one timing mark on the pulley. It indicates TDC. You set the timing by adjusting the vernier adjustor knob on the distributor to change the timing in 1 degree increments. Start by turning the crankshaft so that Cylinder 1 is at TDC and rotate the distributor until the points are just beginning to open. Tighten the clamp and adjust the vernier 13 clicks clockwise to achieve the 13 degrees BTDC that is recommended. Note: Make sure that you have sufficient adjustability range of the vernier before you start. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Beswick Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:02 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] mk1 timing How do I check / adjust the ignition timing on a mk1 Spitfire? Where are the timing marks? Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 15:32:02 2008 From: jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com (John Young) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:32:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] mk1 timing Message-ID: <465578.25166.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe is right on the mark. I might add the caution that there are are two TDC positions in each rotation of the crank. Be sure you have the one where cylinder 1 is ready to fire and not the other one. One way is to watch the valves, the intake and exhaust valves are both closed for the compression stroke as you approach the firing position (crank turning forward, of course). John Young MK 2 Spit Indiana --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Joe Curry wrote: > From: Joe Curry > Subject: Re: [Spits] mk1 timing > To: "'Steve Beswick'" , spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 4:38 PM > The Mk1 has one timing mark on the pulley. It indicates > TDC. You set the > timing by adjusting the vernier adjustor knob on the > distributor to change > the timing in 1 degree increments. > > Start by turning the crankshaft so that Cylinder 1 is at > TDC and rotate the > distributor until the points are just beginning to open. > > Tighten the clamp and adjust the vernier 13 clicks > clockwise to achieve the > 13 degrees BTDC that is recommended. > > Note: Make sure that you have sufficient adjustability > range of the vernier > before you start. > > Joe > > How do I check / adjust the ignition timing on a mk1 > Spitfire? Where > are the timing marks? From nmoseley at dccnet.com Tue Nov 11 18:35:37 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:35:37 -0800 Subject: [Spits] >>NASS Help please: ignition - It runs!!!! References: <8FD62CCA3BE747448D2514B062438579@yourb27fb1c401> <5D8B59C3E68D463B8ABDC1C6511235D9@britbits> Message-ID: <82EADAD67E124B9A9D755EDF870DD0BB@yourb27fb1c401> It runs, but poorly so far. Time to come inside, it's cold out there! (8C, 47F) Today, after a bunch of testing and poking: -made new ground wire inside dizzy from plate to case, with soldered ends, -when points are open, a tester shows they are isolated from ground, and when they are closed, they are grounded. -low tension wire from coil to dizzy has good continuity, even when wiggled about, -connected White Blue to one end of a ballast resistor, and White and White to the other end. -changed coil. It runs, but sounds like it is not firing on all cylinders yet. Coil got very hot to the touch. Thanks for all the suggestions to get me to this point. I couldn't have done it without you!!! Nolan, Joe C, Jeff S, Jim D, Tod J, Doug B, Bill K, Mike D, Paul T, Steve G, all please take a bow. Thanks for your help. Nick Moseley NASS #278 From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 14 16:42:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: New Mexico???????? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI Hello all, I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home. Originally, this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead. Then I found another Spitfire racer. And now they're breeding and I need the storage space. The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico. It is in good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use, transport and storage. I've got photos I can send. As mentioned above, the shell is in Appleton, Wisconsin. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wbmcleod at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 14:36:43 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:36:43 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick Message-ID: I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. If some of you experts out there could look at the auction and send along a question (really an answer) to tell me what I have up, I would really appreciate it! I don't need to be selling the wrong stuff! Thanks in advance, Bill Slightly Classics Tucson, AZ From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 15 14:42:26 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:42:26 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E621AED6464475A88C0377C89A063A3@newcomputer> The only thing I can say is perhaps the Midget and Late Spit (with single rail box) had different transmissions. The shift lever you have certainly looks like a single rail shifter from a late Spit. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William McLeod Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:37 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. If some of you experts out there could look at the auction and send along a question (really an answer) to tell me what I have up, I would really appreciate it! I don't need to be selling the wrong stuff! Thanks in advance, Bill Slightly Classics Tucson, AZ Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From wbmcleod at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 14:50:57 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:50:57 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: <002601c9476b$3b437840$b1ca68c0$@net> References: <002601c9476b$3b437840$b1ca68c0$@net> Message-ID: <4CB7DE70-5F32-4753-AB13-9B5928DFD922@gmail.com> I never thought about it when I put it on, but the knob was just loosely screwed on the stick. The knob may be from something else entirely! With that in mind, any further comments? Thanks, Bill On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Daniel Parrott wrote: > I'm guessing that it's not from a Spit 1500. My tranny goes up and > to the > right to get into reverse. But I do have an overdrive. > > Dan Parrott > 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" (Look at the cover at the latest issue of > "Spitfire and GT6!) > 1973 GT6/ 1978 Spitfire "Spit-Six" (under restoration) > Savannah, Ga > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William McLeod > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:37 PM > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick > > I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I > have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There > is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. > If some of you experts out there could look at the auction and send > along a question (really an answer) to tell me what I have up, I would > really appreciate it! I don't need to be selling the wrong stuff! > > Thanks in advance, > Bill > Slightly Classics > Tucson, AZ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 15 14:56:34 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: <4CB7DE70-5F32-4753-AB13-9B5928DFD922@gmail.com> References: <002601c9476b$3b437840$b1ca68c0$@net> <4CB7DE70-5F32-4753-AB13-9B5928DFD922@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AE677206BD141EE8170E18BCA0D7C07@newcomputer> I have to admit that I have never owned a Spit with a single rail gearbox but I thought that the down right for reverse is correct. I know that a 3-rail box has it up and left and I thought that it was just the opposite. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William McLeod Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:51 PM To: Daniel Parrott; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] 1500 shift stick I never thought about it when I put it on, but the knob was just loosely screwed on the stick. The knob may be from something else entirely! With that in mind, any further comments? Thanks, Bill On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Daniel Parrott wrote: > I'm guessing that it's not from a Spit 1500. My tranny goes up and > to the > right to get into reverse. But I do have an overdrive. > > Dan Parrott > 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" (Look at the cover at the latest issue of > "Spitfire and GT6!) > 1973 GT6/ 1978 Spitfire "Spit-Six" (under restoration) > Savannah, Ga > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William McLeod > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:37 PM > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick > > I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I > have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There > is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. > If some of you experts out there could look at the auction and send > along a question (really an answer) to tell me what I have up, I would > really appreciate it! I don't need to be selling the wrong stuff! > > Thanks in advance, > Bill > Slightly Classics > Tucson, AZ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From jdinnis at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 15:14:25 2008 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:14:25 -0600 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: <5AE677206BD141EE8170E18BCA0D7C07@newcomputer> References: <002601c9476b$3b437840$b1ca68c0$@net> <4CB7DE70-5F32-4753-AB13-9B5928DFD922@gmail.com> <5AE677206BD141EE8170E18BCA0D7C07@newcomputer> Message-ID: Reverse on the single Rail is UP Right. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > I have to admit that I have never owned a Spit with a single rail gearbox > but I thought that the down right for reverse is correct. I know that a > 3-rail box has it up and left and I thought that it was just the opposite. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William McLeod > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:51 PM > To: Daniel Parrott; spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spits] 1500 shift stick > > I never thought about it when I put it on, but the knob was just > loosely screwed on the stick. The knob may be from something else > entirely! With that in mind, any further comments? Thanks, Bill > > > On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Daniel Parrott wrote: > >> I'm guessing that it's not from a Spit 1500. My tranny goes up and >> to the >> right to get into reverse. But I do have an overdrive. >> >> Dan Parrott >> 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" (Look at the cover at the latest issue of >> "Spitfire and GT6!) >> 1973 GT6/ 1978 Spitfire "Spit-Six" (under restoration) >> Savannah, Ga >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William McLeod >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:37 PM >> To: spitfires at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick >> >> I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I >> have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There >> is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. >> If some of you experts out there could look at the auction and send >> along a question (really an answer) to tell me what I have up, I would >> really appreciate it! I don't need to be selling the wrong stuff! >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Bill >> Slightly Classics >> Tucson, AZ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Spitfires at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 15 15:17:50 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:17:50 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: References: <002601c9476b$3b437840$b1ca68c0$@net> <4CB7DE70-5F32-4753-AB13-9B5928DFD922@gmail.com> <5AE677206BD141EE8170E18BCA0D7C07@newcomputer> Message-ID: I'll will take your word for it. I guess my own memories are clouded by the 6 speed box I now have in Tiny Tim. Reverse in that box is down and right. In this particular case, I would bet that the stick is right for a single rail Spit box but the knob is wrong. Joe -----Original Message----- From: John Innis [mailto:jdinnis at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:14 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: William McLeod; Daniel Parrott; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] 1500 shift stick Reverse on the single Rail is UP Right. From jdinnis at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 15:25:39 2008 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:25:39 -0600 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Ball end looks right for the Single Rail spit gearbox, but the upper section doesn't match those I have seen in the past. The one I have seen (including the one on my '76) are more square than round. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM, William McLeod wrote: > I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I > have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There > is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. > If some of you experts out there could look at the auction and send > along a question (really an answer) to tell me what I have up, I would > really appreciate it! I don't need to be selling the wrong stuff! > > Thanks in advance, > Bill > Slightly Classics > Tucson, AZ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= From nmoseley at dccnet.com Sat Nov 15 15:49:07 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:49:07 -0800 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: <3E621AED6464475A88C0377C89A063A3@newcomputer> References: <3E621AED6464475A88C0377C89A063A3@newcomputer> Message-ID: <423827BB79D1446389E8CCAF970108EC@yourb27fb1c401> I have late Spits, and have to say the insister is correct, the shifter you have is different. Spit shifters have a longer shaft, and do not have that bulb on the lower end. Sorry, don't know what it's from. Nick Moseley " I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. If some of you experts out there could look at the auction and send along a question (really an answer) to tell me what I have up, I would really appreciate it! I don't need to be selling the wrong stuff! Thanks in advance, Bill Slightly Classics Tucson, AZ" From wbmcleod at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 12:23:52 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:23:52 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81B85287-2F54-4D2D-A26A-9052525D3309@gmail.com> Thanks to all who responded! With help from the Spridget List, we concluded that it was for a later 1275 ribcase spridget trans. The auction has been revised.... Thanks again, Bill On Nov 15, 2008, at 3:25 PM, John Innis wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM, William McLeod > wrote: >> I have a shift stick up on ebay ( item number 110312544000 ) which I >> have identified as coming from a post 1975 Midget or Spitfire. There >> is a viewer out there who is insistent that I have mis-identified it. From jimmuller at rcn.com Sun Nov 16 16:26:00 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:26:00 -0500 Subject: [Spits] 1500 shift stick In-Reply-To: References: <5AE677206BD141EE8170E18BCA0D7C07@newcomputer> Message-ID: <492065B8.26858.19F49ED3@localhost> On 15 Nov 2008 at 16:14, John Innis wrote: > Reverse on the single Rail is UP Right. To make this even more complete, it is Up, Right, Forward. Rather an awkward movement for someone who has a weak right bicep or someone who has never done it before. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From jimmuller at rcn.com Tue Nov 18 20:59:14 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Spits] the GT6 gearbox Message-ID: <492348C2.3574.253B7D76@localhost> Speaking of the GT6, the noise emanating from the gearbox, mostly 2nd gear, seems to be getting louder. I'm thinking I might pull it again (I've had plenty of practice!) and rebuild it. I can follow repair manual instructions as well as anyone, but it's one job I've never done before. Anything special I should be aware of? Tanks, Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com From doug at dougbraun.com Wed Nov 19 09:10:20 2008 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:10:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] the GT6 gearbox In-Reply-To: <492348C2.3574.253B7D76@localhost> Message-ID: <83147.35191.qm@web606.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The key part is the special heavy snap ring that holds all the stuff on the mainshaft. You need to be able to get the old one off without gouging anything, and get the new one on without bending or over-stressing it. I have successfully done this a couple of times- you need a good selection of pliers and prying tools, and patience. Order 2 or 3 of the rings! I rebuilt my first Spit gearbox using only a Haynes manual. It gave me all the information I needed. Doug Braun '72 Spit --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Jim Muller wrote: > From: Jim Muller > Subject: [Spits] the GT6 gearbox > To: Triumphs at autox.team.net, Spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 10:59 PM > Speaking of the GT6, the noise emanating from the gearbox, > mostly 2nd > gear, seems to be getting louder. I'm thinking I might > pull it again > (I've had plenty of practice!) and rebuild it. I can > follow repair > manual instructions as well as anyone, but it's one job > I've never > done before. Anything special I should be aware of? From stiker2126 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 07:17:45 2008 From: stiker2126 at yahoo.com (Henry Stike) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:17:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] OD checking Message-ID: <554704.52142.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The boy brought home a 80 spit the other day...... been sittin for a few years...... boy that owned it is gone.. Father sold it and not much known about car... has strange seats in it.... speakers in the seats... look too big for car... strange shifter... has a slide button on the top of it.... its in rough shape.... rust has taken its toll........ anybody know what to check for on an OD unit? does the rear end also have to be swapped? He's going to put the OD in his spit 1500 if it's any good.... I know the drive shaft is different.... Thanks...... From Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com Thu Nov 20 07:23:23 2008 From: Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com (Jim Holmgren) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Spits] OD checking In-Reply-To: <554704.52142.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <554704.52142.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A1055F3C9314142A922A9FC6AC21A6106D8F15FB3@BALT-EMAIL.corp.advertising.com> Seats are from a Miata. This is a VERY popular conversion. Slide button is a pretty good indicator of O/D, but to be really sure you'll need to pull the tunnel cover and actually look for the OD unit on the tail-end of the transmission. Jim NASS #302 NASS Club Secretary '75 Spitfire 1500 '77 Spitfire 1500 '68 Spitfire Mk3 www.littlebluespitfire.com York, PA -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry Stike Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: Spitfire Mailing List Subject: [Spits] OD checking The boy brought home a 80 spit the other day...... been sittin for a few years...... boy that owned it is gone.. Father sold it and not much known about car... has strange seats in it.... speakers in the seats... look too big for car... strange shifter... has a slide button on the top of it.... its in rough shape.... rust has taken its toll........ anybody know what to check for on an OD unit? does the rear end also have to be swapped? He's going to put the OD in his spit 1500 if it's any good.... I know the drive shaft is different.... Thanks...... The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer. From krhodes1 at maine.rr.com Thu Nov 20 08:01:52 2008 From: krhodes1 at maine.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:01:52 -0500 Subject: [Spits] OD checking In-Reply-To: <5A1055F3C9314142A922A9FC6AC21A6106D8F15FB3@BALT-EMAIL.corp .advertising.com> References: <554704.52142.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5A1055F3C9314142A922A9FC6AC21A6106D8F15FB3@BALT-EMAIL.corp.advertising.com> Message-ID: <20081120150202.OVZ28958.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> It's a whole lot easier to just look under the car - you can't miss the O/D unit, it's not exactly petite. :-) As far as checks, I think the most common problem is bad solenoids and/or wiring. With power you should get a good click from the solenoid. They are tough units though, and last a long time when bolted to as little hp and torque as a Spitfire has. Essentially the same unit was used in 160hp Turbo Volvos. The rear ends are usually the same in the US, in fact I swapped my original one for one from my non-O/D parts car. You will need the transmission mount from the O/D car too. Kevin Rhodes Westbrook, Maine Lucky enough to have one with O/D At 09:23 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote: >Seats are from a Miata. This is a VERY popular conversion. > >Slide button is a pretty good indicator of O/D, but to be really sure you'll >need to pull the tunnel cover and actually look for the OD unit on the >tail-end of the transmission. From Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com Thu Nov 20 08:15:26 2008 From: Jim.Holmgren at corp.aol.com (Jim Holmgren) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Spits] OD checking In-Reply-To: <20081120150202.OVZ28958.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> References: <554704.52142.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5A1055F3C9314142A922A9FC6AC21A6106D8F15FB3@BALT-EMAIL.corp.advertising.com> <20081120150202.OVZ28958.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <5A1055F3C9314142A922A9FC6AC21A6106D8F15FB8@BALT-EMAIL.corp.advertising.com> Well - yeah, if you want to do it the 'easy' way you can just look under the car...(mutters and goes for more coffee). Jim NASS #302 NASS Club Secretary '75 Spitfire 1500 '77 Spitfire 1500 '68 Spitfire Mk3 www.littlebluespitfire.com York, PA -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Rhodes Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:02 AM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] OD checking It's a whole lot easier to just look under the car - you can't miss the O/D unit, it's not exactly petite. :-) As far as checks, I think the most common problem is bad solenoids and/or wiring. With power you should get a good click from the solenoid. They are tough units though, and last a long time when bolted to as little hp and torque as a Spitfire has. Essentially the same unit was used in 160hp Turbo Volvos. The rear ends are usually the same in the US, in fact I swapped my original one for one from my non-O/D parts car. You will need the transmission mount from the O/D car too. Kevin Rhodes Westbrook, Maine Lucky enough to have one with O/D At 09:23 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote: >Seats are from a Miata. This is a VERY popular conversion. > >Slide button is a pretty good indicator of O/D, but to be really sure you'll >need to pull the tunnel cover and actually look for the OD unit on the >tail-end of the transmission. Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer. From jimmuller at rcn.com Thu Nov 20 10:29:14 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (jimmuller at rcn.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:29:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Spits] OD checking Message-ID: <20081120122914.BSB59515@ms10.lnh.mail.rcn.net> stiker2126 wrote about a newly-acquired Spitfire: > strange shifter... has a slide button on the top of it... Ah, excellent! That's not strange, it's the original OD control (where, as some people claim, God and BL decreed it should be). It would appear that this car already has OD. Someone may have put an OD knob on a non-OD stalk, but it is unlikely. The top of the knob pops off easily. See if it has wires attached. > its in rough shape.... rust has taken its toll... Not a surprise. As long as the frame is okay you are probably okay. Floors and rockers can be replaced if you spend some money. You don't want to fall through onto the roadway, of course. > anybody know what to check for on an OD unit? Mostly, does it work? Does it engage and disengage okay? The clutches inside can get worn but you have to take it apart to see. The solenoid and various valve components can be removed for inspection. Be aware that if the gearbox is running low on oil the OD will engage slowly, incompletely, or not at all. Some conditions can make it stick on. If that ever happens, do NOT roll or drive the car backwards, do NOT even push it by hand enough to force it to move backwards. Doing so will damage or destroy the OD. There are several reason this can happen, the most common being dirt stuck in an orifice so that pressure cannot escape from the engagement piston. Waiting long enough is the typical cure, but it can always happen again and probably will until you clean things out and maybe replace the oil. > does the rear end also have to be swapped? It appears you are considering switching from non-OD to OD gearbox. This does not require swapping the diff; the speedometer drive comes off just in front of the driveshaft output, so it will be right regardless of what is driving it. OD and non-OD geraboxs different in the following ways: different length driveshaft, different rear engine mount (actually at the rear of the OD unit, a vertical support and a flat crosspiece that sits across the frame members and is often forgotten when OD is pulled from a for-parts car), and I believe a longer speedometer cable with right-angle drive at the gearbox end. The shift-lever support mechanism and external control rail are different too, but rather integrated into the whole package, so they aren't likely to be separated. > He's going to put the OD in his spit 1500 if it's > any good... Ah, he's going to put this from a newly-=acquired Spitfire into one he already owns? Did I miss a point somewhere? Good luck with it! -- Jim Muller From s1500 at comcast.net Fri Nov 21 09:14:43 2008 From: s1500 at comcast.net (s1500 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:14:43 +0000 Subject: [Spits] stick shift play mystery solved Message-ID: <112120081614.1077.4926DE730007B0F7000004352207000953CFCFCACE9C@comcast.net> I swore I sent a msg to this list on Sunday, but several digests have gone by without my message. Anyways. Last Sunday, I take out the interior pieces to get to my recently rebuilt transmission, to find out why I have forward/bkwd play when shifting. Well, after I got the cover off, the problem was quite obvious. The 2 bolts on the flange plate that go to the "ball" section of the stickshift were quite loose. About 1/3 of an inch of thread was hanging out of the bolts. No wonder it had so much play. That settles it then. I'm using Loctite on those 2 bolts. Anyone know off hand what the torque of those 2 bolts should be? Obviously I didn't use enough the first time, for they have vibrated loose. From stiker2126 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 10:46:35 2008 From: stiker2126 at yahoo.com (Henry Stike) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] OD tranny Message-ID: <867897.87411.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to all the replies...... well, it snowed here last nite, so won't get a chance to look at it today... I will put batt in and see if it clicks as soon as weather permits...lol Henry says he pulled up the cardboard cover and could see the OD.... glad ya mentioned about the different mounts for frame.... I guess this winter he will remove the OD and I'm sure have it apart.... cleaning it and figuring out how to check stuff to see if it needs rebuilt... he's putting it in his 79, that he's rebuilt from the frame sitting on sawhorses when he sandblasted that and corolless'ed it .... a lot of time and money..... and rebuilt the engine, 76 pistons and stuff..... From wbmcleod at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 05:45:47 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Lucas distributor ID Message-ID: Could anyone identify a distributor numbered 41497 A with 13 73 underneath? It has a circular rotor that I have never seen before, but appears standard otherwise. And is there a web site out there for Lucas identification? Thanks in advance, Bill Slightly Classics Tucson From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Nov 28 06:02:02 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:02:02 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Long overdue updates to TTACD2009 website Message-ID: <87B758C234AA4301B3D1B5B03FA357D0@Bevan> Hi, Everyone For those of you not on the various Triumph email lists, you'll have probably missed out on the updates kindly submitted on my behalf by Tim Buja of Illinois Sports Owners Association. This is where some forty members of the club (under the eagle eye of Stagmeister Joe Pawlak) are working flat out to prepare the Stag - henceforward known as 'uncle jack' in memory of the late Jack Drews. Jack was very well-known throughout the Triumph racing world in North America for many years, but tragically died at the wheel of his car in August 2008. Please pay the website a visit to check on the progress of the car and also to see the generous donation of FIVE new tyres from Cooper and the addition today, of details relating to regalia sales that are now 'live' and available for you to order. Cheers, everyone John Macartney Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From nmoseley at dccnet.com Fri Nov 28 17:57:15 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:57:15 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Project engine update Message-ID: <99466D300EE04A788E9291EE7CB8EE87@yourb27fb1c401> The project engine rebuild that started in July 07 ran today, for the first time. Oh man, oh man, oh man, what great sounds and smell! What a relief! Much credit and thanks to my uncle in UK, Steve G, Dan N, and all the listers who have been so generous with their support and suggestions. So, I've run it at 2500rpm for 20 minutes. Should I be taking off the rocker-shaft and re-torquing the head nuts? It's cold and rainy here right now. Should I leave it as is until Spring, or start it periodically and fully warm up? Nick Moseley, NASS #278, 76-81 Spits, GT 6, Metro Vancouver B.C. Yippee Yiyo Kiyaay!