From ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com Thu May 1 11:57:56 2008 From: ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com (Chris Crisenbery) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Wanted 1 or more BWA 13 X 6 Wheel Message-ID: I have a set (sorta) of BWA wheels that I plan on using as rain tires for my H Prod Spitfire. One of the wheels has a pretty good crack in the cnter area and I would like to replace it. So I'm looking for 1 or more BWA 13 X 6 wheel built in Italy it is an aluminum wheel. The wheel will should have the BWA and a 13 X 6 on it. I do have a picture if anyone needs it to compare what they have to it. Condition, paint, etc. is not important. Thanks Chris ___________________________ Christopher E. Crisenbery, P.E. Feller, Finch & Associates, Inc. 2797 Spring Arbor Rd., Suite B Jackson, MI 49203 p/n (517) 783-0710 fax (517) 783-0711 From mchmura at umassp.edu Thu May 1 12:10:15 2008 From: mchmura at umassp.edu (Chmura, Mike) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:10:15 -0400 Subject: [Spits] (no subject) Message-ID: SET SPITFIRES UNSUBSCRIBE From dwaldronca at shaw.ca Thu May 1 12:09:38 2008 From: dwaldronca at shaw.ca (Doug Waldron) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:09:38 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Looking for a 1500 engine (near Winnipeg, Manitoba) Message-ID: Hi, I'm in need of a 1500 engine, I would prefer one that was known to have run and is within a day's drive of Winnipeg. Thanks, Doug '78 Spifire From nmoseley at dccnet.com Thu May 1 19:00:39 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:00:39 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Mike Chmura In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1209690051_207498@mx.dccnet.com> Mike, send your message to majordomo at autox.team.net per below, not the list itself. Snipped from: http://autox.team.net/tn-mail.html ...or Subscribe via direct e-mail request: The Team.Net lists, located at autox.team.net are run by an automated "list Server", called majordomo. You can also find information about this majordomo by sending the command help on the first line of an e-mail message to: majordomo at autox.team.net Some lists are also available as Digest Version, In digest form, all the messages for each day are sent out combined in a single message (sometimes two). This is good if your system can't handle a lot of mail messages. To mail to majordomo to subscribe (or unsubscribe) to most of these lists, send an email message to the request address, with your request in the body of the message like one of these: subscribe british-cars [your email address] subscribe british-cars-digest [your email address] or to get off a list: unsubscribe british-cars [your email address] Note: your email address is optional, and majordomo will use your default return address if nothing else is provided. Just being helpful. Nick Moseley From pnhnt at insight.rr.com Sat May 3 17:16:50 2008 From: pnhnt at insight.rr.com (The Family Jefferson) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:16:50 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Yahoo message I received. In-Reply-To: <1209610175_200780@mx.dccnet.com> References: <178350.94315.qm@web56014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1209610175_200780@mx.dccnet.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ad73$c4b54f00$6401a8c0@jefferson> I would say this was a really bad Phishing attempt. R/ Howard -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+pnhnt=insight.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+pnhnt=insight.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nick Moseley Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:49 PM To: 'Spitfire/GT6 List' Subject: Re: [Spits] Yahoo message I received. I'd say Spam. Poor English: "To Avoid Your Yahoo Account To Be Closed" (To Be is wrong here) "Informations" is not a word. To avoid the risk, don't click on links in e-mails. I'm no expert, but I know that. Nick Moseley Metro Vancouver Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From jimmuller at rcn.com Sat May 3 17:45:14 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 19:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Yahoo message I received. In-Reply-To: <000001c8ad73$c4b54f00$6401a8c0@jefferson> References: <1209610175_200780@mx.dccnet.com> Message-ID: <481CC0CA.15410.2435C3D0@localhost> On 3 May 2008 at 19:16, The Family Jefferson wrote: > I would say this was a really bad Phishing attempt. > > > "To Avoid Your Yahoo Account To Be Closed" > > To avoid the risk, don't click on links in e-mails. > > I'm no expert, but I know that. Agreed, but that should've been "To will avoided the risk, please to don't click on links in the e-mails." -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From nmoseley at dccnet.com Sat May 3 18:01:52 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:01:52 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Yahoo message I received. In-Reply-To: <481CC0CA.15410.2435C3D0@localhost> Message-ID: <1209859321_217983@mx.dccnet.com> Roger that. Gee, I hope all those phishers out there be taking notes. Nick M From oldlbc at aol.com Sun May 4 07:55:43 2008 From: oldlbc at aol.com (oldlbc at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Radio Noise Message-ID: <8CA7C05ADC3CC0D-A88-2302@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com> I'm going to upgrade the radio in my 71 Spit.? Not having done anything of this sort in about 30 years, does anyone have any suggestions as to avoiding or supressing the annnoying whine from, if I remember, is due to the alternator?? I seem to remember that you could a capacitor or something on the power line to the radio that would do the trick. TIA Andy Henderson From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun May 4 08:34:27 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:34:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Spits] New (to me, at least) online resource Message-ID: <20964105.1209911667645.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear Readers, Do The Monster Mash I just found out about a website that will be a real boon to car enthusiasts, while at my friend Brett, who is planing to put new Corvette running gear in his Merkur coupe, he asked me if I had seen: www.jaxed.com It was put together by a Corvair guy and it searches many of the online resources for cars and parts and gives you a list of what is availabe on all lists - Amazing!!! You also can narrow it down by state. Check it out! Get on the sight - and click on the big MASH bar up by the top ......... then your in - have fun Best, Rick Feibusch Venice Beach, Californis From doug at dougbraun.com Sun May 4 08:53:29 2008 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Radio Noise In-Reply-To: <8CA7C05ADC3CC0D-A88-2302@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <664494.33074.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You may find that newer radios are better at filtering out this sort of noise. Here is a description of an interesting new car stereo that is designed to fit old cars. I just stumbled across this by accident: http://blog.sounddomain.com/gadget/2008/02/retrosound-mode.html I used to have a (crummy) stereo in my Spit, but decommissioned it, since it sounded lousy and you could never hear it over the engine and wind noise, either with the top up or down... Doug Braun '72 Spit --- oldlbc at aol.com wrote: > I'm going to upgrade the radio in my 71 Spit.? Not > having done anything of this sort in about 30 years, > does anyone have any suggestions as to avoiding or > supressing the annnoying whine from, if I remember, > is due to the alternator?? I seem to remember that > you could a capacitor or something on the power line > to the radio that would do the trick. From mark at bradakis.com Sun May 4 11:48:53 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:48:53 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Team.Net spring fund drive Message-ID: <481DF705.9040007@bradakis.com> Gee, the beginning days of May, usually pleasant spring weather. Woke up to 34 degrees F with light snow falling the other morning here in Salt Lake City. Nice. Springtime indeed! Seasoned subscribers know the drill, here's an outline for others. The Team.Net mailing lists - http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo and http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool ( I'm slowly getting around to moving all the lists from majordomo to mailman ) FTP site, archives, wiki ( http://www.team.net/the-local ) are all run by some dweeb who spends too much time hiding out in a basement office whacking on computers instead of working on and driving his cars. Basically it is a labor of love that has been going on for roughly 20 years, 17 years since the Team.Net domain was registered on April 11, 1991. But there are some out of pocket expenses that are needed to keep things going. So once or twice a year I ask for funding assistance to help cover the costs of this "free" service. So if you have a few extra bucks on hand and want to stimulate the Team.Net economy, check out http://www.team.net/donate.html for details. Thanks, mjb. From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Mon May 5 07:01:27 2008 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:01:27 -0400 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - Message-ID: <380-2200851513127745@M2W016.mail2web.com> (Disclaimer, the following story may contain objectionable descriptions and or material , that may not be suitable for some readers. Viewer discretion is strongly advised! :-}) Listers - My wife and I went to our usual Saturday afternoon movie, and as it was her turn to pick what we would see, she decided upon the movie Made of Honor. Now I knew it would probably this selection (I of course would have picked Iron Man). At any rate I was fully prepared for a light fluff of a romantic comedy. It was progressing pretty much as expected, until almost at the end, and I wont go into the whole movie, but suffice it to say there was a scene where one of the main characters was participating in some sort of Scottish (they were in Scotland at this point) contest to prove eligibility of marriage thing. One of the events was to launch, the equivalent of a telephone pole by cradling it in your hands, (yeah, I know I didnt write the script) as far as one could. Needless to say, he was having a bit of trouble controlling his projectile, and finally, launched it uponA TRIUMPH STAG, parked on the sidelines! Not thinking, but reacting out of pure shock, I blurted out, probably a little too loudly, Hey...THEY JUST TRASHED A STAG! Then of course, I felt a little embarrassed, since surely nobody in the audience even knew what a Triumph Stag was. Now I have to admit, I am still a little upset at the choice of automobile used to destroy. It had no connection to the movie, the plot, characters, or even country of origin. Any vehicle could have been used to convey this sort of humor but why take a relatively rare and somewhat valuable, basically irreplaceable vehicle, and destroy it. Needless to say, it colored my feelings of the movie and I couldn't really concentrate on the rest of the film. It basically ruined an otherwise O.K. movie, and I walked away mildly disgusted with the whole thing. Now this may seem a little harsh - but I just can't get over destroying a really nice Triumph, for basically nothing - I give it a hearty two thumbs down!!! Some things I just dont understandand probably never will Barry Schwartz San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From s1500 at comcast.net Mon May 5 12:19:45 2008 From: s1500 at comcast.net (Ryan) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 13:19:45 -0500 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans Message-ID: <481F4FC1.5020705@comcast.net> IIRC one of the Final Destination movies features a Spit owner getting killed from a truck engine behind him lurching forward and shredding him. From maya2blue at juno.com Mon May 5 16:50:24 2008 From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:50:24 -0500 Subject: [Spits] I want at GT6 Message-ID: <20080505.175024.2256.5.maya2blue@juno.com> Greetings all.... I have a very nice '78 Spitfire 1500. I want a nice GT6!! Anyone know of one? I am not sure what year is best... I got mixed answers when I asked the lists that question! I guess it is just a matter of personal taste. Appreciate any info... Tks all Harve Harve Thorn ('78 1500 Spitfire) 531 Amen Corner (NASS #79) Fayetteville, AR (looking for a "nice" GT6) 72701 USA 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg From oldlbc at aol.com Mon May 5 21:22:52 2008 From: oldlbc at aol.com (oldlbc at aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 23:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - In-Reply-To: <380-2200851513127745@M2W016.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200851513127745@M2W016.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <8CA7D3F9A246AE4-10AC-1C21@Webmail-mg10.sim.aol.com> So, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play? -----Original Message----- From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net To: triumphs at autox.team.net Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 5 May 2008 9:01 am Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - (Disclaimer, the following story may contain objectionable descriptions and or material , that may not be suitable for some readers. Viewer discretion is strongly advised! :-}) Listers - My wife and I went to our usual Saturday afternoon movie, and as it was her turn to pick what we would see, she decided upon the movie Made of Honor. Now I knew it would probably this selection (I of course would have picked Iron Man). At any rate I was fully prepared for a light fluff of a romantic comedy. It was progressing pretty much as expected, until almost at the end, and I wont go into the whole movie, but suffice it to say there was a scene where one of the main characters was participating in some sort of Scottish (they were in Scotland at this point) contest to prove eligibility of marriage thing. One of the events was to launch, the equivalent of a telephone pole by cradling it in your hands, (yeah, I know I didnt write the script) as far as one could. Needless to say, he was having a bit of trouble controlling his projectile, and finally, launched it uponA TRIUMPH STAG, parked on the sidelines! Not thinking, but reacting out of pure shock, I blurted out, probably a little too loudly, Hey...THEY JUST TRASHED A STAG! Then of course, I felt a little embarrassed, since surely nobody in the audience even knew what a Triumph Stag was. Now I have to admit, I am still a little upset at the choice of automobile used to destroy. It had no connection to the movie, the plot, characters, or even country of origin. Any vehicle could have been used to convey this sort of humor but why take a relatively rare and somewhat valuable, basically irreplaceable vehicle, and destroy it. Needless to say, it colored my feelings of the movie and I couldn't really concentrate on the rest of the film. It basically ruined an otherwise O.K. movie, and I walked away mildly disgusted with the whole thing. Now this may seem a little harsh - but I just can't get over destroying a really nice Triumph, for basically nothing - I give it a hearty two thumbs down!!! Some things I just dont understandand probably never will Barry Schwartz San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From rbgosling at googlemail.com Tue May 6 02:44:00 2008 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:00 +0100 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - In-Reply-To: <380-2200851513127745@M2W016.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200851513127745@M2W016.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <9f2527520805060144o2314c601q393fec04ee7c9f7a@mail.gmail.com> Firstly, the "launching the telegraph pole" thing: that's called Tossing the Caber, and is an entirely authentic and genuine highland sport, although needless to say there is no tradition of having to do it in order to prove you worth in order to get married. Secondly, I'm guessing (and hoping) that the movie company aren't interested in burning money for no good reason, and won't have spent #6,000 or more on a decent Stag only to go and wreck it. More likely it was a total basket-case they could pick up for a few hundred, particularly if there was no need for the car to be driven. They probably did go out of their way to pick something idendifiably and authentically British, and desirable (to increase the impact of the scene), which couldn't have been achieved with any of the modern cars on the roads today. Having said that, I would still have had much the same reaction as you! I remember how I felt when I saw a Midget burst into flames on Taggart (a Glasgow-based murder detective series), and it was to console myself over that that I came up with this they-would-only-have-destroyed-a-basket-case theory. Richard From bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk Tue May 6 03:09:29 2008 From: bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk (Bill Davies) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:09:29 +0100 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - In-Reply-To: <9f2527520805060144o2314c601q393fec04ee7c9f7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080506085909.5042A1878D2@autox.team.net> > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Richard Gosling > > Secondly, I'm guessing (and hoping) that the movie company aren't > interested > in burning money for no good reason, and won't have spent #6,000 or more > on > a decent Stag only to go and wreck it. While I can't comment on this particular case, every so often I get contacted by film and television companies looking for this kind of "prop". Their requirements are usually pretty simple - any state as long as it's an identifiable rolling shell with most of the external trim. They don't even want a cosmetically pretty vehicle, they have people on payroll to deal with this kind of prettying up - why pay for someone else to do it? Bearing in mind how cheap and plentiful rotten Stags are here in the UK, at worst this one might have been a restorable project, more likely it was rotten as a pear! Requirements are of course different when cars play a significant part in the action. Any Jaguar lover who has seen what was done the Mk2s used in the filming of Mona Lisa will know what I mean! If you really want to worry about what is done to decent classic cars in the name of entertainment, Top Gear will be a good starting point. They have the opposite philosophy - start with a good car and make it look bad.... then destroy it. Cheers, Bill. From jimmuller at rcn.com Tue May 6 06:16:50 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:16:50 -0400 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - In-Reply-To: <20080506085909.5042A1878D2@autox.team.net> References: <9f2527520805060144o2314c601q393fec04ee7c9f7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <482013F2.19867.7690DDF@localhost> On 6 May 2008 at 10:09, Bill Davies wrote: > Any Jaguar lover who has seen what was done the Mk2s used in the > filming of Mona Lisa will know what I mean! I remember a Jaguar E-type (or if you prefer, XK-E) was trashed in at least one episode of The Rockford Files, a nice looking, driving example, so it appeared. Of course this was back when E's were a dime a dozen, well okay, make that twenty-five cents a dozen. And the trashed one might not really have been the one they used for the driving scenes. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From elliottr at rmi.net Tue May 6 21:24:17 2008 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 22:24:17 -0500 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - In-Reply-To: <8CA7D3F9A246AE4-10AC-1C21@Webmail-mg10.sim.aol.com> References: <380-2200851513127745@M2W016.mail2web.com> <8CA7D3F9A246AE4-10AC-1C21@Webmail-mg10.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <482120E1.5050007@rmi.net> > contest to prove eligibility of marriage thing. One of the events was to launch, the > equivalent of a telephone pole by cradling it in your hands, (yeah, I know > I didnt write the script) as far as one could. The event is known as a caber toss. It is a big event at Scottish Highland Games. The poles (caber) keep getting larger. The goal is to make the caber land on its end and flip over in a straight line. Scoring is like a clock 12 is straight 1 is off to the right etc. Roger Elliott From pnhnt at insight.rr.com Thu May 8 17:54:49 2008 From: pnhnt at insight.rr.com (The Family Jefferson) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:54:49 -0400 Subject: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - In-Reply-To: <20080506085909.5042A1878D2@autox.team.net> References: <9f2527520805060144o2314c601q393fec04ee7c9f7a@mail.gmail.com> <20080506085909.5042A1878D2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <006601c8b166$e7ed5390$6401a8c0@jefferson> I would not be surprised if Topgear's Jeremy Clarkson was an investor in the movie. R/ Howard -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+pnhnt=insight.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+pnhnt=insight.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Davies Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:09 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] A movie NOT for Triumph fans - > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Richard Gosling > > Secondly, I'm guessing (and hoping) that the movie company aren't > interested > in burning money for no good reason, and won't have spent #6,000 or more > on > a decent Stag only to go and wreck it. While I can't comment on this particular case, every so often I get contacted by film and television companies looking for this kind of "prop". Their requirements are usually pretty simple - any state as long as it's an identifiable rolling shell with most of the external trim. They don't even want a cosmetically pretty vehicle, they have people on payroll to deal with this kind of prettying up - why pay for someone else to do it? Bearing in mind how cheap and plentiful rotten Stags are here in the UK, at worst this one might have been a restorable project, more likely it was rotten as a pear! Requirements are of course different when cars play a significant part in the action. Any Jaguar lover who has seen what was done the Mk2s used in the filming of Mona Lisa will know what I mean! If you really want to worry about what is done to decent classic cars in the name of entertainment, Top Gear will be a good starting point. They have the opposite philosophy - start with a good car and make it look bad.... then destroy it. Cheers, Bill. Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From maya2blue at juno.com Sun May 11 14:39:52 2008 From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:39:52 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire - map light bulb Message-ID: <20080511.153953.5088.1.maya2blue@juno.com> Greetings, I am trying to find a bulb for the '78 Spitifire map light. Situated in and to the top of the passanger side parcel shelf, the map reading light appears on several wiring diagrams but I cannot find the correct bulb number. I would certainly appreciated any help that anyone might be able to offer! Many thanks. Best!! Harve Harve Thorn ('78 1500 Spitfire) 531 Amen Corner (NASS #79) Fayetteville, AR (looking for a "nice" GT6) 72701 USA 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg From rrutherf at ucalgary.ca Mon May 12 15:17:27 2008 From: rrutherf at ucalgary.ca (Robert Rutherford) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Frame swap on Spitfire Message-ID: <40C1ED44-6D29-4C84-982E-6F399B94964B@ucalgary.ca> Hi all, I have perforation rust in the rear frame rails of my 78 Spitfire. Am stripping an older frame (unknown year but has 6 leaf rear spring) for bead blasting and POR-15 painting. Can anyone confirm my belief that all Spitfire frames are interchangeable? I understand that the 12 coil front spring from this frame might be advisable for lowering the front end and improving handling as opposed to the 11 coil used on the 1500. I will of course use the swing spring from my 78 along with a Monroe air lift shock kit at the rear. Any insight into what might be wrong with this plan is welcome. TIA, Robert Rutherford in Vernon, BC White 78 Spitfire with rusty frame. Red 76 Spitfire waiting in the wings (or is that waiting in the fenders?) From bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk Mon May 12 16:59:15 2008 From: bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk (Bill Davies) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:59:15 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Frame swap on Spitfire In-Reply-To: <40C1ED44-6D29-4C84-982E-6F399B94964B@ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <20080512224858.6E11A187667@autox.team.net> > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford > > Hi all, I have perforation rust in the rear frame rails of my 78 > Spitfire. Am stripping an older frame (unknown year but has 6 leaf > rear spring) for bead blasting and POR-15 painting. > Can anyone confirm my belief that all Spitfire frames are > interchangeable? Not strictly true. While the basic frame is the same, the front bar and bonnet pivot points were substantially different on the roundtail cars, ie all those cars with the fixed rear spring. The frames can be converted, but why bother when later frames are readily available? There were also detail changes to the frame where the wider exhaust twin downpipe of the 1500 passes. Additionally, late US cars had frame extensions for additional crash protection under the boot (trunk) floor. These were never fitted to home market cars, they are not a structural necessity - it's your call whether their absence bothers you, Cheers, Bill. From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 12 16:54:53 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:54:53 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Frame swap on Spitfire In-Reply-To: <40C1ED44-6D29-4C84-982E-6F399B94964B@ucalgary.ca> References: <40C1ED44-6D29-4C84-982E-6F399B94964B@ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <000001c8b483$31616100$0202a8c0@newcomputer> A little known fact is that from the first Mk1 Frame through the last 1500 and even including all of the GT6 frames they were all serial numbered consecutively with the FC prefix. That in itself tells you a lot about the interchangeability. But it does not tell the whole story. The later frames have rear extensions that were added to comply with safety requirements. In addition some other slight differences (like cutouts in the right frame rail in the engine compartment for exhaust clearance and several modifications to accommodate engine and radiator mounts as well as rotoflex accommodations) were made throughout the years. But in general the frames should be interchangeable, especially from one Spitfire to another. The one you are using is probably from an early (Mk1 through Mk3) Spit based on your description of the rear spring. If it were me, I'd use the 6 leaf fixed spring because I so vehemently hate that swing-spring KLUGE that Triumph used in the square tail models. But that's just me. Cheers, Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:17 PM To: Digest Spitfire; Digest Triumphs Subject: [Spits] Frame swap on Spitfire Hi all, I have perforation rust in the rear frame rails of my 78 Spitfire. Am stripping an older frame (unknown year but has 6 leaf rear spring) for bead blasting and POR-15 painting. Can anyone confirm my belief that all Spitfire frames are interchangeable? I understand that the 12 coil front spring from this frame might be advisable for lowering the front end and improving handling as opposed to the 11 coil used on the 1500. I will of course use the swing spring from my 78 along with a Monroe air lift shock kit at the rear. Any insight into what might be wrong with this plan is welcome. TIA, Robert Rutherford in Vernon, BC White 78 Spitfire with rusty frame. Red 76 Spitfire waiting in the wings (or is that waiting in the fenders?) Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 12 17:32:39 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:32:39 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Frame swap on Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20080512224858.6E11A187667@autox.team.net> References: <40C1ED44-6D29-4C84-982E-6F399B94964B@ucalgary.ca> <20080512224858.6E11A187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000c01c8b488$77a086a0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Right on target Bill. I forgot about the hinge points in my post. Those are the most obvious differences in Spitfire frames and very likely are different on the one he is planning to use. But if that part is ok from the frame he is replacing, he can certainly cut that off and weld onto the donor frame. -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Davies Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:59 PM To: 'Robert Rutherford'; 'Digest Spitfire'; 'Digest Triumphs' Subject: Re: [Spits] Frame swap on Spitfire > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford > > Hi all, I have perforation rust in the rear frame rails of my 78 > Spitfire. Am stripping an older frame (unknown year but has 6 leaf > rear spring) for bead blasting and POR-15 painting. > Can anyone confirm my belief that all Spitfire frames are > interchangeable? Not strictly true. While the basic frame is the same, the front bar and bonnet pivot points were substantially different on the roundtail cars, ie all those cars with the fixed rear spring. The frames can be converted, but why bother when later frames are readily available? There were also detail changes to the frame where the wider exhaust twin downpipe of the 1500 passes. Additionally, late US cars had frame extensions for additional crash protection under the boot (trunk) floor. These were never fitted to home market cars, they are not a structural necessity - it's your call whether their absence bothers you, Cheers, Bill. Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From sagreenwood at earthlink.net Tue May 13 21:56:29 2008 From: sagreenwood at earthlink.net (Stuart Greenwood) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:56:29 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire IV emblems Message-ID: <380-22008531435629341@earthlink.net> How can I safely get the Spitfire IV emblems off the hood and rear fenders so that I can paint the car and then put them back on? They look like a part cast out of cheap metal and have two pegs that go through the body work and are secured is some way.From the back these pegs look like blind rivets that haven't been compressed. Stuart A Greenwood sagreenwood at earthlink.net Triumph Spiitfire Mk IV, Triumph Stag Mk I From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 13 22:38:19 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:38:19 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire IV emblems In-Reply-To: <380-22008531435629341@earthlink.net> References: <380-22008531435629341@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c8b57c$560ec5c0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> You should be able to get them off intact but even if you break one or both pegs off, you can still use them again by applying 3M body trim tape. Actually, that is a better way to install those badges anyway. They seal better and protect the holes from rust because the pegs tend to rattle around in the holes and chip the paint off exposing the edges to the elements. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Greenwood Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:56 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Spitfire IV emblems How can I safely get the Spitfire IV emblems off the hood and rear fenders so that I can paint the car and then put them back on? They look like a part cast out of cheap metal and have two pegs that go through the body work and are secured is some way.From the back these pegs look like blind rivets that haven't been compressed. Stuart A Greenwood sagreenwood at earthlink.net Triumph Spiitfire Mk IV, Triumph Stag Mk I Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From ZoboHerald at aol.com Wed May 14 07:21:42 2008 From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:21:42 EDT Subject: [Spits] Spitfire IV emblems Message-ID: In a message dated 5/13/2008 11:56:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sagreenwood at earthlink.net writes: How can I safely get the Spitfire IV emblems off the hood and rear fenders so that I can paint the car and then put them back on? They look like a part cast out of cheap metal and have two pegs that go through the body work and are secured is some way.From the back these pegs look like blind rivets that haven't been compressed. ==AM== What I've done is to get a very small drift and very carefully alternately tap on the pegs until the badge is nearly free. Joe's right about the "rattling around" of the pegs; however, the holes should have the little plastic "friction bushes" that seem to do a very good job of both holding and insulating the pegs. Earlier Triumphs (before the mid-1960s) relied on clips and gobs of sealant on the backside of the pegs, a somewhat less elegant solution that often also was harder to undo. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com Wed May 14 07:54:27 2008 From: ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com (Chris Crisenbery) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Triumph Racing Parts Garage Sale Message-ID: I just purchased a 1982 Mini Pick-Up project that is being shipped over from England in about a month and a half and I need two things cash and a place to store it. So I need to make some room and turn a little cash to finish it off. I won't spend a ton of time with details, so just call or e-mail and I'll run down the specs for you. Some of this stuff is stock and suitable for the street, the racing engines are not! they are top notch vintage or SCCA and are not streetable without lowering the compression a BUNCH. 1. 1147cc engine with 303014 head - George Bauchman built 2. 1147cc engine with 303014 head - George Bauchman built 3. 1147cc engine - Rick Cline built (missing crank, but could be supplied) 4. Full prep rolling chassis, zero roll, custom a-arms (Great for F or H) 5. Rough racecar project roundtail Spitfire 6. Multiple 1147cc stock engines and parts 7. Multiple stock and 303014 heads all untouched 8. Fiberglass fenders, bonnet and deck lid 9. 4.11 rear ends 10. Cline, Sargis and Huffacker Carbs 11. Stock 1300cc heads If you don't see it on the list ask and I'll see what I have stashed away. At this time very limited 1300cc stuff for sale. I'm willing to deal on multiple parts and engines and I will consider all realistic offers as I would like to move this stuff soon. I am serious about moving these parts but I didn't hit my head! Chris Crisenbery Home P/N (517) 789-8010 Work P/N (517) 783-0710 ___________________________ Christopher E. Crisenbery, P.E. Feller, Finch & Associates, Inc. 2797 Spring Arbor Rd., Suite B Jackson, MI 49203 p/n (517) 783-0710 fax (517) 783-0711 From maya2blue at juno.com Thu May 15 20:23:36 2008 From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:23:36 -0500 Subject: [Spits] The Green Helmet dvd/movie Message-ID: <20080515.212336.3312.1.maya2blue@juno.com> Greetings, I just purchased the dvd version of The Green Helmet from an internet outfit called HondaHogs. (www.hondahogs.com) I thought that I was buying an original movie. I did not. Following is the comment that I received from the "seller" when I questioned the "originality" of the dvd. "We sell rare old movies that were never released for home video. Consequently, there are no originals - at least that we've ever seen." Therefore, I feel comfortable in offering this dvd to the list .... If you would like one, send me a dvd blank and I will copy it for you. Best Harve Harve Thorn ('78 1500 Spitfire) 531 Amen Corner (NASS #79) Fayetteville, AR (looking for a "nice" GT6) 72701 USA 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg From maya2blue at juno.com Sat May 17 05:58:09 2008 From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 06:58:09 -0500 Subject: [Spits] The Green Helmet - illegal to copy! Message-ID: <20080517.065809.2112.2.maya2blue@juno.com> Greetings all, It has been pointed out to me that very possibly (and quite likely!) the copying of a copy is illegal. Therefore I withdraw my offer to send list members a copy of my copy of the Green Helmet. Sorry, and tks to the member that pointed this out to me. If you have already mailed a DVD, I will return it. Best! Harve Harve Thorn ('78 1500 Spitfire) 531 Amen Corner (NASS #79) Fayetteville, AR (looking for a "nice" GT6) 72701 USA 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg From sagreenwood at earthlink.net Mon May 19 13:08:11 2008 From: sagreenwood at earthlink.net (Stuart Greenwood) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:08:11 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Hard top head lining Message-ID: <380-22008511919811889@earthlink.net> Has anyone used foam rubber or some other material to stick to the roof of the hardtop instead of using the factory rooof liner which is suspended off the roof by spring bows. I haven't got any spring bows and I haven't seen any for sale. As I live in South California there is no chance of any significant condensation on the inside of the roof so I think that something stuck to the roof will work fine. Stuart A Greenwood sagreenwood at earthlink.net Triumph Spiitfire Mk IV, Triumph Stag Mk I From doug at dougbraun.com Mon May 19 16:50:38 2008 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Hard top head lining In-Reply-To: <380-22008511919811889@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <432672.376.qm@web606.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have redone my hardtop's headliner, but I was fortunate to have all the bows. It takes a while to do a good job on this. (For example, you really have to remove the rear window.) A layer of foam might work, but you would definitely have to experiment to make sure there would be no lousy-looking areas. Doug --- Stuart Greenwood wrote: > Has anyone used foam rubber or some other material > to stick to the roof of the hardtop instead of using > the factory rooof liner which is suspended off the > roof by spring bows. I haven't got any spring bows > and I haven't seen any for sale. As I live in South > California there is no chance of any significant > condensation on the inside of the roof so I think > that something stuck to the roof will work fine. From a_flying_scotsman at yahoo.com Mon May 19 17:15:02 2008 From: a_flying_scotsman at yahoo.com (Alex Cherington) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:15:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Spits] Swing Spring Message-ID: <502394.30296.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI, I think I finally have all the parts to convert my MK3 to a later swing spring. Just wondering who else has done it and any details and or pitfalls. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From spitlist at cox.net Mon May 19 17:40:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:40:29 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Swing Spring In-Reply-To: <502394.30296.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <502394.30296.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ba09$b976ecf0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Yeah, I did it with My first Mk1. I have to say that while it was an improvement it was woefully inadequate. The swing spring induces much body roll and that was not to my liking. Later I started manufacturing a reproduction of the original Kas Kastner designed camber compensator and replaced the swing-spring with one of them and have never looked back. You will find that the swing spring works more properly when accompanied with the longer axles that were introduced during the MkIV series (Probably because Triumph found that the swing spring didn't work particularly well with the shorter axles) Sorry, but you asked! Joe Curry -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Cherington Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:15 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Swing Spring HI, I think I finally have all the parts to convert my MK3 to a later swing spring. Just wondering who else has done it and any details and or pitfalls. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From frede.thomas2 at verizon.net Mon May 19 19:07:27 2008 From: frede.thomas2 at verizon.net (FRED E THOMAS) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Hard top head lining References: <432672.376.qm@web606.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012b01c8ba15$df8516e0$7e2b7247@fred8kwiskhcfu> List, the headliner material is also made with the foam backing already attached, ask your local upholstery shop for a sample. "FT" ====================================================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Braun" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Spits] Hard top head lining >I have redone my hardtop's headliner, but I was > fortunate to have all the bows. It takes a while to > do a good job on this. (For example, you really have > to remove the rear window.) > > A layer of foam might work, but you would definitely > have to experiment to make sure there would be no > lousy-looking areas. > > Doug > > > --- Stuart Greenwood > wrote: > >> Has anyone used foam rubber or some other material >> to stick to the roof of the hardtop instead of using >> the factory rooof liner which is suspended off the >> roof by spring bows. I haven't got any spring bows >> and I haven't seen any for sale. As I live in South >> California there is no chance of any significant >> condensation on the inside of the roof so I think >> that something stuck to the roof will work fine. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From fishplate at charter.net Mon May 19 19:08:45 2008 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Hard top head lining Message-ID: <20080520010835.SUZH4495.aarprv04.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net> At 03:08 PM 5/19/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone used foam rubber or some other material to stick to the >roof of the hardtop instead of using the factory rooof liner which >is suspended off the roof by spring bows. I haven't got any spring >bows and I haven't seen any for sale. I've not had any experience with the bows in question, but on other cars I've seen they could be made with a length of suitable piano wire or something similar. Jeff Scarbrough 75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5 http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/ Athens, Georgia #354 From jimmuller at rcn.com Mon May 19 21:04:21 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Swing Spring In-Reply-To: <502394.30296.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48320775.14769.6116FCF@localhost> On 20 May 2008 at 0:15, Alex Cherington wrote: > I think I finally have all the parts to convert my MK3 > to a later swing spring. I see Joe "Fluif" Curry has already described how it will increase body roll. The factory fixed that my increasing the size of the front swaybar, but of course that increases understeer. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From ljvaughan at pldi.net Tue May 20 22:04:22 2008 From: ljvaughan at pldi.net (Larry Vaughan) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:04:22 -0500 Subject: [Spits] First Start Message-ID: <48339F46.9020905@pldi.net> I started my Spit for the first time since the motor was rebuilt four or five years ago. Initially I tried by myself. I would crank it. It would start and die. I would turn down the idle screw and try again. It would start and die and so on. I got my wife out to the shop and told her to crank it while I jiggled the throttle. It started like full throttle, no muffler. I was shouting turn it off while looking for the screw driver and my wife was shouting what, what, what. I called my neighbor and we got it started in the normal fashion. Adjusted it to 2000 RPM with the distributor in the optimum, by ear, position, let it run a few minutes then shut it down. Two days later I drained the radiator, no draincock, had to remove the radiator. The distilled water I put in came out brown, but not bad. I adjusted the valves to .010, put the radiator back on and added antifreeze. Started it up and readjusted the idle and distributor. Now, should I run it 20 minutes then torque the head bolts? I will have to remove the rocker arm. Can I do that and bolt it back on without adjusting it again? http://ljvaughan.homestead.com/firststart.html Larry From mckress at yahoo.com Fri May 23 19:03:00 2008 From: mckress at yahoo.com (Mark Kress) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:03:00 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Renew Rear bearings Message-ID: <300F21C419764D5689976A4F7B90C8AE@sbl.com> I wanted to renew my rear wheel bearings. Does anyone know of someone in San Francisco bay area that has the correct hub puller and would be willing to liberate my hubs from their shafts? And then help assess whether the shafts are too worn to re-use? Thanks, Mark 1971 Spit6 From ljvaughan at pldi.net Sat May 24 14:55:01 2008 From: ljvaughan at pldi.net (Larry Vaughan) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:55:01 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Vacuum port Message-ID: <483880A5.3070706@pldi.net> I have a Weber DCOE on my Spit. It has no vacuum port. The Cannon intake manifold has a plugged port on one runner. Can this port be used as a vacuum port for the distributor or a vacuum gauge or is it to be used for emmissions like the valve cover vent. I have the vacuum advance Delco distributor on right now, with the vacuum hose plugged. I do have a Mallory dual point distributor that is all mechanical advance but I have to drill the shaft to get the oil pump dog on, which I am not anxious to do! Larry From bill at gingerich.us Sat May 24 15:23:41 2008 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:23:41 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Vacuum port In-Reply-To: <483880A5.3070706@pldi.net> References: <483880A5.3070706@pldi.net> Message-ID: <000e01c8bde4$70869340$64dea8c0@shack2> Larry, While I'm not an expert in vacuum dynamics, I would think in this case that vacuum is vacuum. If you're just looking to connect the distributor, any port on the manifold should work. I think that you could even put a "T" in, and connect both the distributor and a vacuum gauge without a problem, since both devices are sealed. The only issue I would see is if you wanted to use the same port for crankcase venting and the distributor connection. The constant flow through the vent hose might affect the advance of the distributor. I know nothing about the Mallory units. Bill G Newalla, OK '74 Spitfire -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Vaughan Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 3:55 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Vacuum port I have a Weber DCOE on my Spit. It has no vacuum port. The Cannon intake manifold has a plugged port on one runner. Can this port be used as a vacuum port for the distributor or a vacuum gauge or is it to be used for emmissions like the valve cover vent. I have the vacuum advance Delco distributor on right now, with the vacuum hose plugged. I do have a Mallory dual point distributor that is all mechanical advance but I have to drill the shaft to get the oil pump dog on, which I am not anxious to do! Larry From rbgosling at googlemail.com Mon May 26 01:56:48 2008 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:56:48 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Vacuum port In-Reply-To: <000e01c8bde4$70869340$64dea8c0@shack2> References: <483880A5.3070706@pldi.net> <000e01c8bde4$70869340$64dea8c0@shack2> Message-ID: <9f2527520805260056n695111a3mc0ae388f79a9a6c2@mail.gmail.com> Bill wrote: "...While I'm not an expert in vacuum dynamics, I would think in this case that vacuum is vacuum..." With the proviso that I am not an expert on this area either, I do think there is more to it than that. Based on vaguely recollected forum messages I've read over the years, you get a different vacuum at the carb as you do from the manifold - different strengths of vacuum at different combinations of revs and throttle. Some distributor set-ups are designed to work from carb vacuum, others from manifold, it's quite possibly different for the UK-spec SU-fed engines and the US-spec emission controlled engines. Some US-spec engines I think even had a vacuum retard rather than vacuum advance. The long and short of it is, I don't know the answer to your question, only that I don't think it's as easy as plugging your distributor to any old place where there will be a vacuum. Richard From growe58 at hotmail.com Mon May 26 06:48:50 2008 From: growe58 at hotmail.com (Greg Rowe) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Vacuum port In-Reply-To: <9f2527520805260056n695111a3mc0ae388f79a9a6c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <483880A5.3070706@pldi.net> <000e01c8bde4$70869340$64dea8c0@shack2> <9f2527520805260056n695111a3mc0ae388f79a9a6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe that the only difference between ported vacuum and manifold vacuum is at idle. With ported vacumm, since the throttle plate is closed, there is little or no vacuum at the carb although there will be 15-20 inches at the manifold. However, at higher revs, the amount of vacuum is constant regardless of source as the throttle plate is no longer blocking it. This ported vacuum was purely an emissions strategy so using the manifold source will be fine (make sure that you have a vacuum advance dizzy and not a retard unit and never share vacuum source with the PCV). Assuming you have a stock engine, you should set your initial timing (with vacuum disconnected), to give you around 35-38 degrees total mechancial advance at 3500 rpms. The vacuum advance on top of that at high vacuum conditions (cruise) will give you better fuel economy. The vacuum advance will drop out at low vacuum (acceleration) preventing detonation. Best! Greg Rowe> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:56:48 +0100> From: rbgosling at googlemail.com> To: bill at gingerich.us> CC: spitfires at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Spits] Vacuum port> > Bill wrote: "...While I'm not an expert in vacuum dynamics, I would think in> this case that> vacuum is vacuum..."> > With the proviso that I am not an expert on this area either, I do think> there is more to it than that. Based on vaguely recollected forum messages> I've read over the years, you get a different vacuum at the carb as you do> from the manifold - different strengths of vacuum at different combinations> of revs and throttle. Some distributor set-ups are designed to work from> carb vacuum, others from manifold, it's quite possibly different for the> UK-spec SU-fed engines and the US-spec emission controlled engines. Some> US-spec engines I think even had a vacuum retard rather than vacuum advance.> > The long and short of it is, I don't know the answer to your question, only> that I don't think it's as easy as plugging your distributor to any old> place where there will be a vacuum.> > Richard> _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Spitfires at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires> > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause From grizmoto at midrivers.com Thu May 29 09:22:14 2008 From: grizmoto at midrivers.com (Marty Paulson) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:22:14 -0600 Subject: [Spits] PDWA valve Message-ID: <000a01c8c19f$c99c1770$a7d85940@Paulson> Good Day Spitfire Group, I did some brake work on my 76 Spit this past winter, replacing brake lines etc.. When I bled the brakes, my brake warning light came on and I am having trouble centering the shuttle. I think the PDWA valve and light are working as when I put it together initially the light was off. Does anyone have advice with this problem? Marty 76 Spitfire 56 Ariel 49 Goldstar From jimmuller at rcn.com Thu May 29 11:08:49 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (jimmuller at rcn.com) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Spits] PDWA valve Message-ID: <20080529130849.BDQ73906@ms10.lnh.mail.rcn.net> > I did some brake work on my 76 Spit this past winter... > my brake warning light came on and I am having trouble > centering the shuttle... Does anyone have advice with > this problem? When I got my GT6 the PDWA wasn't centered, and when I rebuilt the Spitfie's brakes it got uncentered. For the GT6 I ended up taking the PDWDWA apart to free the piston, then installed it with the piston centered and was careful not to overpush the pedal when bleeding the brakes. At least I think I remember that's what I did; in any case, the PWDWAMDWA was centered when I was done. On the Spitfire I centered the PDMDWAMPDWADA the way you're supposed to: After everything is bled (blud?), open a valve slightly on one end of the car, then slowly depress the pedal until the light goes off. If it doesn't, then the piston's position must be that it is slud over to the other side, so close the first valve and open one from the other end of the car. When you are pushing the pedal be careful not to push it so fast that it just jumps top the other side immediately. And since you have to do this with the system powered, you might want to disconnect the wire to the coil, or test th! e switch by attaching an external light or something. Jim Muller GT6+, Spitfire From dhlocker at comcast.net Sat May 31 10:55:49 2008 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:55:49 -0400 Subject: [Spits] PDWA valve In-Reply-To: <20080529130849.BDQ73906@ms10.lnh.mail.rcn.net> References: <20080529130849.BDQ73906@ms10.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: <48418315.6040901@comcast.net> I also recommend pressing by hand, not by foot. Your fingers can make more than enough pressure and the feel as the shuttle moves is quite distinct. Donald. jimmuller at rcn.com wrote: >> I did some brake work on my 76 Spit this past winter... >> my brake warning light came on and I am having trouble >> centering the shuttle... Does anyone have advice with >> this problem? > > When I got my GT6 the PDWA wasn't centered, and when I rebuilt the Spitfie's brakes it got uncentered. For the GT6 I ended up taking the PDWDWA apart to free the piston, then installed it with the piston centered and was careful not to overpush the pedal when bleeding the brakes. At least I think I remember that's what I did; in any case, the PWDWAMDWA was centered when I was done. On the Spitfire I centered the PDMDWAMPDWADA the way you're supposed to: After everything is bled (blud?), open a valve slightly on one end of the car, then slowly depress the pedal until the light goes off. If it doesn't, then the piston's position must be that it is slud over to the other side, so close the first valve and open one from the other end of the car. When you are pushing the pedal be careful not to push it so fast that it just jumps top the other side immediately. And since you have to do this with the system powered, you might want to disconnect the wire to the coil, or test t > h! > e switch by attaching an external light or something. > > Jim Muller > GT6+, Spitfire