From dhlocker at comcast.net Tue Mar 4 19:16:25 2008 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Dr Who Message-ID: <47CE0279.5040403@comcast.net> No, it's Spitfire-related. Stuffing envelopes, watching the final Tom Baker episode, the girls are changing a tire on a Spit. Gotta love it. Donald From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Mar 7 15:35:31 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:35:31 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Sun visor concerns Message-ID: <082301c880a3$8db541b0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Friends, I'm posting to three lists because this has to be a common Triumph problem with the older car. I've been out today in the Triumph Trans-AmeriCan UK fundraising Spitfire for a photoshoot. Lovely sunny day, though not all that warm, but with the tonneau in place, the heater blower doing its (not very impressive) best, it was side-windows down, a zipped up fleece and a red wool hat. Car went superbly and no complaints there at all - except for one. Has anyone worked out a way of how to re-tension the sun visor to stop it flip-flopping about its screen monted stay? Everything's OK up to about 75 - and sometimes 85 - but I am getting rather tired of it suddenly plunging down and completely obscuring my forward vision. Currently the car isn't fitted with a self-draining driving seat but if another truck suddenly pulls out in front of me with the sun visor down, I may have to investigate the engineering possibilities.......... Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Mar 7 15:49:37 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Sun visor concerns In-Reply-To: <082301c880a3$8db541b0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <47D18031.19170.19DA253D@localhost> On 7 Mar 2008 at 22:35, John Macartney wrote: > Has anyone worked out a way of how to > re-tension the sun visor to stop it flip-flopping > about its screen monted stay? My experience has been that the problem is the other way around, how to get it to move at all after it has rusted sufficiently inside. Which I'm sure you know this already, but if you remove the visor from the windshield frame you can remove the rods. They are just single-ended rods stuck into spring-like brackets, so you can just pull them out. So you should be able to squeeze together the clips inside the leading edge of the visor to make them grip the rod tighter. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From Mackmi at usa.redcross.org Fri Mar 7 20:56:12 2008 From: Mackmi at usa.redcross.org (Mackmi at usa.redcross.org) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:56:12 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Sun visor concerns References: <47D18031.19170.19DA253D@localhost> Message-ID: i fixed mine from falling years ago, this is what you do: Remove the pivot rods from the visor. Take a center punch and hammer dozens of dents in each of the rods. all the way around. then apray it with clear paint so it wont rust. The re-surfacing of the rods, adds the right texture to keep the visors from drooping. mike Mack 79 Spit 70 GT6 74 VW Thing -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+mackmi=usa.redcross.org at autox.team.net on behalf of Jim Muller Sent: Fri 3/7/2008 5:49 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Spits] Sun visor concerns On 7 Mar 2008 at 22:35, John Macartney wrote: > Has anyone worked out a way of how to > re-tension the sun visor to stop it flip-flopping > about its screen monted stay? My experience has been that the problem is the other way around, how to get it to move at all after it has rusted sufficiently inside. Which I'm sure you know this already, but if you remove the visor from the windshield frame you can remove the rods. They are just single-ended rods stuck into spring-like brackets, so you can just pull them out. So you should be able to squeeze together the clips inside the leading edge of the visor to make them grip the rod tighter. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From buss3 at rogers.com Fri Mar 7 21:34:04 2008 From: buss3 at rogers.com (Grant Buss) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:34:04 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Sun visor concerns References: <47D18031.19170.19DA253D@localhost> Message-ID: <000c01c880d5$a4412020$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> When I had my car apart I saw that sun visor shaft had a slight bend in it , so I straightened it. Visor flopped down. I put the bend back. Problem solved. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Spits] Sun visor concerns >i fixed mine from falling years ago, this is what you do: > Remove the pivot rods from the visor. Take a center punch and hammer > dozens > of dents in each of the rods. all the way around. then apray it with > clear > paint so it wont rust. The re-surfacing of the rods, adds the right > texture > to keep the visors from drooping. > mike Mack > 79 Spit > 70 GT6 > 74 VW Thing > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces+mackmi=usa.redcross.org at autox.team.net on behalf > of > Jim Muller > Sent: Fri 3/7/2008 5:49 PM > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Spits] Sun visor concerns > > On 7 Mar 2008 at 22:35, John Macartney wrote: > >> Has anyone worked out a way of how to >> re-tension the sun visor to stop it flip-flopping >> about its screen monted stay? > > My experience has been that the problem is the other way around, how > to get it to move at all after it has rusted sufficiently inside. > > Which I'm sure you know this already, but if you remove the visor > from the windshield frame you can remove the rods. They are just > single-ended rods stuck into spring-like brackets, so you can just > pull them out. So you should be able to squeeze together the clips > inside the leading edge of the visor to make them grip the rod > tighter. > > -- > Jim Muller > jimmuller at rcn.com > '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 > 8:15 AM From krhodes1 at maine.rr.com Fri Mar 7 22:15:21 2008 From: krhodes1 at maine.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:15:21 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Upholstery quality? And Tonneau question In-Reply-To: <000c01c880d5$a4412020$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> References: <47D18031.19170.19DA253D@localhost> <000c01c880d5$a4412020$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> Message-ID: <20080308051542.RAHY11056.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.com> End of last season, the driver's seat frame finally broke under my excess girth, so I had to pull the upholstery off. I redid the seats with new everything about 10 years ago, using materials from Victoria British. I was never particularly happy with the quality of the materials, and taking the seat apart has pretty well made me decide that it is time to do it over again - the seat foams are in a pretty terrible state, and the cardboard parts of the seat covers have disintegrated. Does anyone have any opinions as to who has the best quality foams and covers? Or do all the places pretty much sell the same stuff and just get it where it is cheapest/most convenient? Given the crummy quality and ridiculous price of the foams, I am tempted to try making my own from bulk foam. Luckily, I still had the driver's seat from the Spitfire I parted out years ago, so that went in for the time being. Not great, but the worst of it is hidden with the top down. And my butt covers the rest! Lastly, I really need a new tonneau cover. Is it really necessary to get the one with headrest pockets that is listed for my car? I have '74 seats with the tiny headrests that don't even go up into them. Seems like a flat one would be tidier, and they are a bit cheaper. Hard to believe, but I bought Freddy 12 years ago this July, on my birthday. One of us is getting old.... ;-) Kevin Rhodes Westbrook, Maine From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 7 22:26:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Upholstery quality? And Tonneau question In-Reply-To: <20080308051542.RAHY11056.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.com> References: <47D18031.19170.19DA253D@localhost><000c01c880d5$a4412020$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> <20080308051542.RAHY11056.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <001f01c880dc$ff245230$0302a8c0@newcomputer> The foam used in most parts of the Spit seats is quite hard so that it retains its shape. Upholstery shops typically use "Loaded Foam" that is not available in the usual places you and I might look. I am not sure if all the usual suspects sell the same upholstery kits, but I have to say that the Herringbone covers I got from BPNW are quite good and have been on my red Spit over 10 years and still look as good a new. Finally, I suspect that a flat tonneau will be too tight on your seats unless you remove the headrests entirely. That brings to mind that I think that certain European models have seats that were identical to the later US ones but sans headrests. They might also be non-reclining. So there is a possibility that you can get those covers and not have the hole at the top that the headrest goes through. That would certainly allow a flat tonneau to work OK. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Rhodes Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:15 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Upholstery quality? And Tonneau question End of last season, the driver's seat frame finally broke under my excess girth, so I had to pull the upholstery off. I redid the seats with new everything about 10 years ago, using materials from Victoria British. I was never particularly happy with the quality of the materials, and taking the seat apart has pretty well made me decide that it is time to do it over again - the seat foams are in a pretty terrible state, and the cardboard parts of the seat covers have disintegrated. Does anyone have any opinions as to who has the best quality foams and covers? Or do all the places pretty much sell the same stuff and just get it where it is cheapest/most convenient? Given the crummy quality and ridiculous price of the foams, I am tempted to try making my own from bulk foam. Luckily, I still had the driver's seat from the Spitfire I parted out years ago, so that went in for the time being. Not great, but the worst of it is hidden with the top down. And my butt covers the rest! Lastly, I really need a new tonneau cover. Is it really necessary to get the one with headrest pockets that is listed for my car? I have '74 seats with the tiny headrests that don't even go up into them. Seems like a flat one would be tidier, and they are a bit cheaper. Hard to believe, but I bought Freddy 12 years ago this July, on my birthday. One of us is getting old.... ;-) Kevin Rhodes Westbrook, Maine Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From bill at gingerich.us Sat Mar 8 09:47:54 2008 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:47:54 -0600 Subject: [Spits] '66 GT6 Mk I for sale Message-ID: <003e01c8813c$28758370$64dea8c0@shack2> Greetings all, Some of you might remember this posting from several months ago. The deal I made then has fallen through, so Im throwing it out there again for the consideration of all. It still pains me to sell it, but the circumstances havent changed. My 66 GT6 restoration project must go. When I bought it 2 = years ago I thought I would be able to restore it. Perhaps my original ambition was wishful thinking, but it is now clear it will be many years before Im in the position to do this car justice. It is a fairly early car, with the commission number of 1KC2515L. It is one of the CKD kit cars that was assembled in Belgium. A member of these lists, whos opinions and knowledge I trust, believes that it was originally sold in West Germany. I dont know. I have a bunch of pictures of the car and the pieces that I got with it that I can email, if youre interested. This is a project car. The body will need rockers and floors, plus patch panels on the lower rear wings. It comes with some of the needed body panels. It has wire wheels with new tires. The bonnet has a couple of dents, but is solid overall. The seats are there, but need to be redone. The rest of the interior trim panels are gone. The dash is complete, but the rim of the steering wheel has lost its covering. There is a lot more that is slipping my mind right now. Feel free to ask any questions. Now the nitty-gritty: The Mk Is are getting too rare to just strip this car for parts. I will not sell this car to anyone who wants to part it out! If that is your plan, dont even bother to ask. If all I get are parts hounds, I will keep the car. What I want is to find someone who has the desire and wherewithal to restore this car. I paid $1000 in 2005 for the car, and that is what Im asking now. It has been stored inside since I bought it, and is currently located near Oklahoma City, OK. There is a clean Minnesota title. Please contact me off list if you are interested. Thanks for your consideration. BillG NASS #133 From maya2blue at juno.com Sat Mar 8 14:51:03 2008 From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:51:03 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Kevin Rhodes & tonneau cover Message-ID: <20080308.155103.2220.0.maya2blue@juno.com> Kevin I have a NIB (not box but plastic bag!) tonneau that fits the 1500 with the pockets for the headrests. Contact me offlist if interested. Harve Thorn NASS #79 Fayetteville, AR maya2blue at juno.com From StagByTriumph at tscusa.org Sun Mar 9 11:12:33 2008 From: StagByTriumph at tscusa.org (Glenn A. Merrell) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:12:33 -0600 Subject: [Spits] [TR] $4,100 collected so far - need updates In-Reply-To: <001601c87a8a$afb55030$800101df@garage.local> References: <001601c87a8a$afb55030$800101df@garage.local> Message-ID: <47D42891.2000203@tscusa.org> Oliver wrote: > http://www.ranteer.com/misc2/ > > thank you to all of you! I think there's a Stag in JonMac's future . . . > > Hi David, How is the Stag Restoration pledge collection coming along?? It should be over the $4100 from a few weeks ago (unless your Honda is running better! ;-) ) The Stag is being picked up today by the ISOA crew in Indianapolis, 9 March 2008, provided of course they are not completely snowed in from the winter storms. Also, we have a potential donor for the 4 speed OD setup out of New Mexico, in fact, a whole car provided it can get from Edgewood NM to Hampshire Illinois. There are a few people stepping up to leap frog this parts car to Illinois. If interested, contact David Graham, TSC USA Central Atlantic Region Director at grahamda at charter.net thanks! -- Glenn A. Merrell TTA 2009 North American Coordination Team Chairman, Triumph Stag Club USA (2007-2009) The best trophies are miles on the odometer, stone chips in the paint, dead bugs on the windshield! From jimmuller at rcn.com Sun Mar 9 14:08:31 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:08:31 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Thanks, starter disassembled Message-ID: <47D4198F.14705.67E4050@localhost> A few weeks ago I asked about the aging potential of starters and received a substantial answer, yes they did age and yes replacing of components was often the answer. The weather being nice today here in the northeast, which is to say that it is neither raining nor snowing though it is cool and very windy, I got the Spitfire's starter removed and disassembled. Sure enough, the brushes were quite worn away. One was so far gone, literally gone into oblivion, that the attached cable prevented it from standing proud of the insulating holder. So a new set of brushes is now on order. With sufficient time and good weather the Spitfire will be running again soon. I've never had occasion to disassemble a starter. Had to replace brushes on a Porshe 912 generator once but that was over 30 years ago. Can't say I've ever had occasion to use the 5/32in box-end wrench before either, at least none that I remember. Working on an old LBC sure is fun though. Thanks all. Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Mon Mar 10 06:08:08 2008 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:08:08 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Non Triumph, rear disc brake question - Message-ID: <380-2200831101388768@M2W041.mail2web.com> Guys and Gals - I am going to mount disc brake s to the rear of my 40 ford truck (Triumph parts hauler) and can mount them in almost any position. The best for parking brake location would be at 10 O-clock (the fronts are at 9) but have noticed that almost all disc brake calipers in the rear are mounted or clocked at opposite or near opposite angles from the front. Does any body know why the rear disc brake calipers would be mounted with clocking opposite those of the front? On every car IVE seen this is done (maybe I need to look at more cars :-}). I cant really see any reason for this but the mechanical designer in me says there must be some engineering reason for it, and not simply because it is easier to mount them this way. Ive seen front calipers mounted at both 9 and 3 oclock positions and in both cases the rears are clocked opposite the fronts. Ive goggled it but couldnt really find any thing useful. What am I missing here  inquiring minds want to know before I install these on the truck  Barry Schwartz San Diego, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From r.gosling at penspen.com Mon Mar 10 06:35:04 2008 From: r.gosling at penspen.com (Gosling, Richard) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:35:04 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Non Triumph, rear disc brake question - References: <380-2200831101388768@M2W041.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF843@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com> For a moment I wondered about the vertical forces - a caliper at the 3-o-clock position will be pushed up when braking, and one and the 9-o-clock position will be pushed down. But then there will be an equal and opposite force on the brake disc, transferred to the axle, and since both the axle and the caliper are supported by the hub the two forces will cancel out there and not make it into the rest of the vehicle. So, no, I can't think of any good reason why the rear calipers should be in the opposite position to the fronts. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return E-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that E-mails are susceptible to change. The Penspen Group shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt or damage to your system. 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The following UK companies within the Penspen Group and any electronic communication sent on behalf of any of them, are subject to the provisions of the UK Companies Act 1985; PENSPEN HOLDINGS LIMITED (Company Number : 980600) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) PENSPEN LIMITED (Company Number: 584446) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) (Unipen, Penspen Integrity and Andrew Palmer & Associates are operating divisions of Penspen Limited and Spencer & Partners and Pencol are trade names of Penspen Limited) MANCHESTER JETLINE LIMITED (Company Number: 2392093) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 537 8635 08) From Mackmi at usa.redcross.org Mon Mar 10 06:54:45 2008 From: Mackmi at usa.redcross.org (Mackmi at usa.redcross.org) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:54:45 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Non Triumph, rear disc brake question - Message-ID: The only thing that might be a reason for the rear caliper placement, is the routing of the emergency brake cable. This is just speculation, but if I was designing where to put the rear caliper, I would place it where the least chance of binding the emergency cable or brake hose was. Mike Mack 79Spit, 70 GT6, 74 VW Thing, 90 5.0 Mustang -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+mackmi=usa.redcross.org at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+mackmi=usa.redcross.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gosling, Richard Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:35 AM To: v6spitfireguy at cox.net Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Non Triumph, rear disc brake question - For a moment I wondered about the vertical forces - a caliper at the 3-o-clock position will be pushed up when braking, and one and the 9-o-clock position will be pushed down. But then there will be an equal and opposite force on the brake disc, transferred to the axle, and since both the axle and the caliper are supported by the hub the two forces will cancel out there and not make it into the rest of the vehicle. So, no, I can't think of any good reason why the rear calipers should be in the opposite position to the fronts. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return E-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that E-mails are susceptible to change. The Penspen Group shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt or damage to your system. The Penspen Group does not guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained or that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interference. The following UK companies within the Penspen Group and any electronic communication sent on behalf of any of them, are subject to the provisions of the UK Companies Act 1985; PENSPEN HOLDINGS LIMITED (Company Number : 980600) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) PENSPEN LIMITED (Company Number: 584446) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) (Unipen, Penspen Integrity and Andrew Palmer & Associates are operating divisions of Penspen Limited and Spencer & Partners and Pencol are trade names of Penspen Limited) MANCHESTER JETLINE LIMITED (Company Number: 2392093) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 537 8635 08) Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From doug at dougbraun.com Mon Mar 10 07:56:53 2008 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Replacement clutch master cylinders? Message-ID: <719159.92780.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, My clutch master cylinder is starting to leak again. Over the years I've rebuilt it couple of times, and it always seems to start leaking again after several years. So I'm thinking of just spending the $$$ and buying an entire replacement MC. I saw that Spitbits sells an OEM MC for about $120, and an aftermarket version for half that. Does anybody know what the difference is? Also, is an OEM version likely to have been sitting on the shelf for years, and need a rebuild before it can actually be used? Thanks, Doug Braun '72 Spit From stevebez at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 23:30:45 2008 From: stevebez at gmail.com (Steve Beswick) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Spits] rear discs Message-ID: <6623d4d50803102330l2ccaa90dva6c66b0f62d3c0cb@mail.gmail.com> Don't forget about proper placement of the bleed screws! From stevebez at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 23:43:00 2008 From: stevebez at gmail.com (Steve Beswick) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:43:00 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Clutch master cylinder Message-ID: <6623d4d50803102343y4e6ab7dbid503711c970b09c9@mail.gmail.com> I am running the reproduction cylinders from spitbits on my 64, and they have functioned flawlessly. Some people may not like the fact that the caps are plastic, but I like them. they seem to be much easier to remove than the metal ones. From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Mar 10 23:43:23 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:43:23 -0600 Subject: [Spits] rear discs In-Reply-To: <6623d4d50803102330l2ccaa90dva6c66b0f62d3c0cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <6623d4d50803102330l2ccaa90dva6c66b0f62d3c0cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D62A0B.3050307@dfn.com> Steve Beswick wrote: > Don't forget about proper placement of the bleed screws! > This is something that someone trying to do aftermarket work would be wise to consider, but, ultimately, selection of brake position, front and rear, is a matter of how the loads are transmitted into the axles, suspension and frame during braking--as rear braking occurs, there are usually changes in suspension angles that change the position of the body and affect weight transfer. In addition to all the other considerations--brake line position, parking brake routing, etc.--a major one is if the caliper position is such that road dirt and debris will foul the components, or that such fouling can't be cleared easily through brake action and normal rotation. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 22:30:57 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:30:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Spits] SF Bay Area All-British Car Meet - Sept 6 & 7 Brisbane Marina!!! Message-ID: <25356986.1205472657828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Gang, As you all know by now, the Palo Alto park is no longer available for our traditional British Car Meet. Just signed to use the Brisbane, CA Marina for the 31st Annual Greater Bay Area British Car Meet on Sept. 6th and 7th, 2008 - Details to come......... I am also working on bringing back a fall meet in LA Best, Rick Feibusch Meet Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Berge Sent: Mar 11, 2008 1:15 PM To: morris_motors at yahoogroups.com Subject: [morris_motors] All-British Car Show The Chico Area British Car Club is hosting the 19th Annual All British Meet on the 20th of April 2008, in Chico, CA Chico is located 90 miles north of Sacramento, CA Preregistration is $20.00 before 10 Apr. Further info can be found at www.chicobritish.org or call Tony at (530)342-1821. Mailing address CABCC P.O. 6366 Chico, CA 95927-6366 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Yahoo! Groups-[ma_grp_160.gif] Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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This is a much better cause than paying your taxes, and besides, you have to do something with your "Economic Stimulus Payment" our US Congress has so graciously stuck in your wallet in time for summer driving. :-D Any amount donated is greatly appreciated, and if you have already Pledged and not anted up, remember, we know who you are and where your Triumph is parked ;-) ah ... so we can send you your raffle tickets of course ... 8-) The Stag is now sitting in Illinois at the Triumph and Quarter Horse Farm in Hampshire since about 8:00pm Sunday 9 March. ISOA will be kicking off some off the dissection phase discussion at their annual ChiliFest Saturday 15 March, and after fueling up with the appropriate amount of greenhouse gases, will then descend on the Triumph and Quarter Horse Farm to warm the workshop and extract the engine to commence checking off the long list of restoration tasks. An appropriate obedient scribe and historian has begun documenting this restoration process, so I would expect to see something pop up in the form of photos in the next 30 days. In the mean time, do keep your eyes peeled for some of the sweet publicity we have planned to surface in the next couple of months. http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk/ Thank you for your interest and participation in the Triumph Trans AmeriCan 2009 Charity Drive! Cheers! -- Glenn A. Merrell sTTAg 2009 Coordinator Team Chairman, Triumph Stag Club USA (2007-2009) The best trophies are miles on the odometer, stone chips in the paint, dead bugs on the windshield ... and a winning TTA Stag raffle ticket!! From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Mar 15 07:31:46 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:31:46 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Non Triumph, rear disc brake question Message-ID: <47DBDDD2.3060308@charter.net> Barry I'm a little late reading my email, but I believe I can answer your questions on caliper placement. As a former brake engineer for the former big three, the caliper position is more of a packaging issue rather than its effect on placement. The rear calipers can be mounted anywhere from the 9:00 position up and around to the 3:00 position. You wouldn't want to place them lower than that to keep them clear of road blast and stone impingement. Mount them where you can most logically place the parking brake cable. Also it doesn't matter if the cable comes out in the front or from the rear of the drum in hat assembly. Glenn From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 15 19:16:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:16:29 -0700 Subject: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge In-Reply-To: <71b48f2c0803150931j5d178eedg8363bd788ee934e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <71b48f2c0803150931j5d178eedg8363bd788ee934e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8870b$bead7d50$0302a8c0@newcomputer> Yes, ME! http://members.cox.net/spitlist/centercaps.html Scroll down the page Joe _____ From: Walter Hensley [mailto:drdmento at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:32 AM To: Joe Curry Subject: spitfire bullseye badge Joe, I have an off topic question, Do you know of anyone that has replacement decals (blue and red half circles) that fit in the bullseye badge used only on the '70 spit? Thanks, Walt From thomas309 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 20:05:41 2008 From: thomas309 at aol.com (thomas309 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:05:41 EDT Subject: [Spits] TR6 FS Message-ID: Just passing this along, NOT mine, NFI. Tom _http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/car/607637217.html_ (http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/car/607637217.html) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ZoboHerald at aol.com Sat Mar 15 20:21:40 2008 From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:21:40 EDT Subject: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2008 9:16:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: Yes, ME! _http://members.cox.net/spitlist/centercaps.html_ (http://members.cox.net/spitlist/centercaps.html) Scroll down the page Joe ==AM== ...and I can and will vouch for the quality of Joe's work in these! DISCLOSURE: A bit of financial interest here, but only inasmuch I sent my original badge to Joe for prototype purposes and received it back with one of the first sets of decals on it. Very, very nice! Really makes me wish I had a nice 1970 Spitfire to put it on. ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From andrew.lindeman at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 01:43:45 2008 From: andrew.lindeman at gmail.com (Andrew Lindeman) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:43:45 -0600 Subject: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2cc65d5a0803160143v4d72f4dcr9fd719633040056f@mail.gmail.com> I'd also like to mention that the center of that emblem with the "Spitfire" text is exactly the same as the 1970 "Spitfire" emblems on the rear wings of the '70 Spitfire as well. After about a decade I have finally assembled all my missing '70 only parts for mine, now with Joe's decals I can restore the wing emblems too. From doug at dougbraun.com Sun Mar 16 09:13:45 2008 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Upholstery quality? And Tonneau question In-Reply-To: <20080308051542.RAHY11056.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <626637.96077.qm@web609.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> About five years ago I redid my seats with new foams and covers from Rimmer Bros. I believe they were actually made by a firm called Newton Commercial in England. The covers were fine, and the seat back foams were pretty good (essentially the same construction as the originals), but the seat base foams were not so nice. The original seat base foams were molded latex, which is a high-quality material, and expensive to reproduce. The repro bases were made of common polyurethane foam that was shaped properly, but not nearly firm enough. They don't provide a real "bucket seat" feel, and going around corners I feel like my a** is going to slide off the seat, as if I was sitting in an office chair. If I could find better-made seat base foams, I would buy them and re-do the seat bases. I don't know if an upholstery shop could make up a set from scratch. They have a complex shape, and if the foam is shaped wrong, the seats would definitely look funny. Doug Braun '72 Spit --- Kevin Rhodes wrote: > End of last season, the driver's seat frame finally > broke under my > excess girth, so I had to pull the upholstery off. I > redid the seats > with new everything about 10 years ago, using > materials from Victoria > British. I was never particularly happy with the > quality of the > materials, and taking the seat apart has pretty well > made me decide > that it is time to do it over again - the seat foams > are in a pretty > terrible state, and the cardboard parts of the seat > covers have > disintegrated. Does anyone have any opinions as to > who has the best > quality foams and covers? Or do all the places > pretty much sell the > same stuff and just get it where it is cheapest/most > convenient? > Given the crummy quality and ridiculous price of the > foams, I am > tempted to try making my own from bulk foam. > > Luckily, I still had the driver's seat from the > Spitfire I parted out > years ago, so that went in for the time being. Not > great, but the > worst of it is hidden with the top down. And my butt > covers the rest! > > Lastly, I really need a new tonneau cover. Is it > really necessary to > get the one with headrest pockets that is listed for > my car? I have > '74 seats with the tiny headrests that don't even go > up into them. > Seems like a flat one would be tidier, and they are > a bit cheaper. > > Hard to believe, but I bought Freddy 12 years ago > this July, on my > birthday. One of us is getting old.... ;-) > > Kevin Rhodes > Westbrook, Maine > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From TR250Driver at aol.com Sun Mar 16 13:09:04 2008 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:09:04 EDT Subject: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2008 11:23:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ZoboHerald at aol.com writes: but only inasmuch I sent my original badge to Joe for prototype purposes and Hey Andy & Joe, Andy must have sent the 88627171 C.E.M.2. type, huh? I have one of those and the SPITFIRE is black and silver like the reproduction decals. Nice job Joe. Now on my 88627171 C.E.M.2. the SPITFIRE is gold. I always wondered what was up with that? My 70 had gold up front and on both wings when I got her. I have since changed them all to black. Pat Davis's Laurel 70 that he restored and brought to VTR last year ( a real beauty/very original) has those gold ones too. That always really confused me. Any clue? Cheers, Darrell **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 16 13:16:09 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301c887a2$92fff9c0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I am under the impression that those things faded as they aged, turning them to what appears to be a gold color. The ones I have here are the same way. Please let me know if you find out differently. Joe _____ From: TR250Driver at aol.com [mailto:TR250Driver at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:09 PM To: ZoboHerald at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge In a message dated 3/15/2008 11:23:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ZoboHerald at aol.com writes: but only inasmuch I sent my original badge to Joe for prototype purposes and Hey Andy & Joe, Andy must have sent the 88627171 C.E.M.2. type, huh? I have one of those and the SPITFIRE is black and silver like the reproduction decals. Nice job Joe. Now on my 88627171 C.E.M.2. the SPITFIRE is gold. I always wondered what was up with that? My 70 had gold up front and on both wings when I got her. I have since changed them all to black. Pat Davis's Laurel 70 that he restored and brought to VTR last year ( a real beauty/very original) has those gold ones too. That always really confused me. Any clue? Cheers, Darrell _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. From TR250Driver at aol.com Sun Mar 16 13:29:12 2008 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:29:12 EDT Subject: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge Message-ID: I am under the impression that those things faded as they aged, turning them to what appears to be a gold color. Joe, I have heard of that theory too but I don't know, it would seem to be odd to me that a badge would fade to gold from silver & black. The silver also looks like part of the stock the badge is made from as it is embossed then printed black. Now the gold ones are just embossed gold stock. As indicated I have both and they are both old and appear to be original. Not sure it the different numbers on the back mean anything. Enquiring minds want to know, Darrell **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ZoboHerald at aol.com Sun Mar 16 17:40:27 2008 From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:40:27 EDT Subject: [Spits] spitfire bullseye badge Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2008 3:16:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: I am under the impression that those things faded as they aged, turning them to what appears to be a gold color. The ones I have here are the same way. Please let me know if you find out differently. Ah...hadn't thought about that possibility until you mentioned it, but I agree that's quite possible. I've some Spitfire IV badges that appear "gold" although I know they originally were black.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From maya2blue at juno.com Mon Mar 17 07:50:14 2008 From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:50:14 -0500 Subject: [Spits] tks for starter help Message-ID: <20080317.095014.2768.0.maya2blue@juno.com> Greetings all, Many tks to all who took the time to make suggestions re my 78 Spitfire not starting. T'was the battery, as many suggested! I did follow all suggestions and make additional tightenings, cleanings, etc etc. Hopefully, all will be well for sometime! Harve Thorn Fayetteville, AR NASS #79 From racerbob70 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 16:43:05 2008 From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Early Spitty air cleaners Message-ID: <555494.56322.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> List, I have a 78 1500 Spitty with the europian 1 1/4" carbs with a spacing of 6 1/2" on center of the carb opening. I've been told that the early MK 1,2,3 air cleaner will fit this setup. If this is correct, does anyone have the aircleaner that I need? Please contact me off list. Thanks, Bob ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Mar 18 17:29:14 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:29:14 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Early Spitty air cleaners In-Reply-To: <555494.56322.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <555494.56322.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c88958$428f3cf0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> I thought the European setup was 1-1/2" SU's... If you have the 1-1/4" SU setup from a Mk3 Spitfire then yes. There are several style air cleaner elements depending if they're enclosed or out there in the air however. Do you have bare SU's looking for the complete cleaner setup, enclosure, cold air tubing, etc. or what? Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From racerbob70 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 18:06:06 2008 From: racerbob70 at yahoo.com (Bob Van Kirk) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Early Spitty air cleaners In-Reply-To: <001d01c88958$428f3cf0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <965159.99556.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Clark, Well it looks like I have some learnin to do about Spitfires. I thought the 1 1/4' where from the euro model, I stand corrected. I am looking for the single oval type of housing depicted in the VB catalogue suitable for MK 1,2,3, it has 2 small round air cleaners inside of it. So what I meant to say is I need the entire housing as I have nothing, nadda, zip, zilch. The only reason is I just like the looks of this set up better then the cheap chromy things and and don't like the cost of the K&Ns.. Thanks, Bob --- "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > I thought the European setup was 1-1/2" SU's... > If you have the 1-1/4" SU setup from a Mk3 Spitfire > then yes. > There are several style air cleaner elements > depending if they're enclosed > or out there in the air however. > Do you have bare SU's looking for the complete > cleaner setup, enclosure, > cold air tubing, etc. or what? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > '72 Stag '74 Spitfire > "Reality... It's not what you think." > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 18 18:13:36 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:13:36 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Early Spitty air cleaners In-Reply-To: <965159.99556.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <001d01c88958$428f3cf0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> <965159.99556.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8895e$7549c880$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Bob, You might consider what I did on my Mk1 when I had twin SUs on it. I fabricated a cold air box that mounts over both carbs and fed air into it through flexible ducts at the front. They were routed to a round air cleaner that I made up in front of the radiator. There are photos at this site: http://members.cox.net/spitlist/Joe'sPage.htm Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Van Kirk Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:06 PM To: Clark W. Nicholls; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Early Spitty air cleaners Clark, Well it looks like I have some learnin to do about Spitfires. I thought the 1 1/4' where from the euro model, I stand corrected. I am looking for the single oval type of housing depicted in the VB catalogue suitable for MK 1,2,3, it has 2 small round air cleaners inside of it. So what I meant to say is I need the entire housing as I have nothing, nadda, zip, zilch. The only reason is I just like the looks of this set up better then the cheap chromy things and and don't like the cost of the K&Ns.. Thanks, Bob From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Mar 18 20:29:45 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:29:45 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Early Spitty air cleaners In-Reply-To: <965159.99556.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <001d01c88958$428f3cf0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> <965159.99556.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c88971$7a9712d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Here's my filter info pages... http://www.cwnicholls.com/spitfire02c.html http://www.cwnicholls.com/spitfire02f.html Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 15:05:02 2008 From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room Message-ID: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fellow Listers; This may seem like an odd question about our Spits, but here goes.... I'm 6 ft 2 in tall and I really would like to get some more leg room in my '77 Spit. I've gone ahead and moved the driver's seat back a couple of inches from the stock position. However, I've found this is also inadequate. Have any other tall listers found a solution to this problem (without selling the car and purchasing a larger LBC, that is)?? Thanks.... Matt M. '77 Spitfire From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 19 17:51:35 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:51:35 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c88a24$8c6871d0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> One Word........SURGERY! Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Milkevitch Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:05 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room Fellow Listers; This may seem like an odd question about our Spits, but here goes.... I'm 6 ft 2 in tall and I really would like to get some more leg room in my '77 Spit. I've gone ahead and moved the driver's seat back a couple of inches from the stock position. However, I've found this is also inadequate. Have any other tall listers found a solution to this problem (without selling the car and purchasing a larger LBC, that is)?? Thanks.... Matt M. '77 Spitfire Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From bill at gingerich.us Wed Mar 19 19:25:54 2008 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <000001c88a24$8c6871d0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000001c88a24$8c6871d0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <005b01c88a31$b9ee6c60$64dea8c0@shack2> Joe & company, Surgery is a bit extreme, but it beats the method I was forced to try. I was 6-6 prior to the meeting of my motorcycle and the station wagon going the wrong way on the freeway. Almost 3 years in casts, plus several reconstructive surgeries left me a bit over 6-4 now. Seriously, I've looked at ways to increase the leg room in my '74 Spitfire. Trimming out some of the foam in the seat backs may be an option. I'm trying to find alternate seats that might be better, but most either don't help, don't fit, or make things worse. Miata seats are fairly popular, but seem to fall in the last category. Joe G. in NE used Cobra kit car seats. I tried sitting in his car once. I think they helped, but I didn't really like them. My other issue is headroom. Driving with the top up (Sacrilege!) is a bit uncomfortable. My head hits the top frame, and I don't need any more help removing what hair I have left. I realize this doesn't really help answer the question. In reality, I've just gotten used to folding up when I drive the car. And I leave the top down. Bill G. Newalla, OK '74 Spitfire "Lazarus" -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:52 PM To: 'Matthew Milkevitch'; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room One Word........SURGERY! Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Milkevitch Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:05 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room Fellow Listers; This may seem like an odd question about our Spits, but here goes.... I'm 6 ft 2 in tall and I really would like to get some more leg room in my '77 Spit. I've gone ahead and moved the driver's seat back a couple of inches from the stock position. However, I've found this is also inadequate. Have any other tall listers found a solution to this problem (without selling the car and purchasing a larger LBC, that is)?? Thanks.... Matt M. '77 Spitfire Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From ljvaughan at pldi.net Wed Mar 19 19:47:19 2008 From: ljvaughan at pldi.net (Larry Vaughan) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <000001c88a24$8c6871d0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000001c88a24$8c6871d0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <47E1D037.2050904@pldi.net> IF you have the seat as far back as you can get it. Take the rubber pads off the pedals and wear thin racing shoes like the dude In Baltimore MD suggested. Larry Joe Curry wrote: > One Word........SURGERY! > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Matthew Milkevitch > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:05 PM > To: spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room > > Fellow Listers; > > This may seem like an odd question about our Spits, but here goes.... > > I'm 6 ft 2 in tall and I really would like to get some more leg room in my > '77 Spit. I've gone ahead and moved the driver's seat back a couple of > inches from the stock position. However, I've found this is also > inadequate. > > Have any other tall listers found a solution to this problem (without > selling the car and purchasing a larger LBC, that is)?? > > > Thanks.... > > Matt M. > '77 Spitfire > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Mar 19 19:41:46 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:41:46 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E1CEEA.8040609@dfn.com> Matthew Milkevitch wrote: > Fellow Listers; > > This may seem like an odd question about our Spits, but here goes.... > > I'm 6 ft 2 in tall and I really would like to get some more leg room in my '77 Spit. I've gone ahead and moved the driver's seat back a couple of inches from the stock position. However, I've found this is also inadequate. > > Have any other tall listers found a solution to this problem (without selling the car and purchasing a larger LBC, that is)?? > > > Not a Spit driver, but a close second--GT6. People laugh when I say I drive one (I'm 6'4"). I might manage a bit better than most because I'm little longer in the thorax, rather than in the legs. Getting the seat back tilted back gets my head below the roof by about an inch (this might work if your arms are long enough) and a smaller steering wheel helps getting in and out. I suspect it would be a real trial with the stock steering wheel in place. All that said, the angle my legs are at isn't comfortable, and the same was true when I was driving a `63 Spit (several decades ago). Unfortunately, age plays a big part in this. Whereas I could manage cross-country trips in the Spit in my early 20s, five or six hours in the GT6 now is kinda hard on the frame. :) I don't think there's any easy fix for aging bones and tendons.... Tilting the entire seat (raising the front of the seat and rotating the seat back rearward) might be a partial fix. This, at least, would give a bit more thigh support, but I haven't tried it yet. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 20:10:39 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:10:39 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009a01c88a37$fa285240$1342a8c0@semperon3400> I'm assuming you are speaking from the driver's point of view. I'm 6' 1" (32" inseam) and as the driver I find I have more legroom than I need with the seat all the way back on the slide in my '74 Spitfire - for my left leg that is. It barely reaches the firewall. I tend to get horrible leg cramps in the right leg for several recent years now after an hour or two of country roads (I've owned the car for 30+ years so this must be an age related problem). I would guess a hand throttle would help but there's still no-where to put my right foot or stretch the right leg. Perhaps modify the gas pedal position? I don't see how tilting the seat will increase legroom as some have suggested. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From r.gosling at penspen.com Thu Mar 20 01:53:20 2008 From: r.gosling at penspen.com (Gosling, Richard) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:53:20 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF859@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com> Matt, I'm the same height as you, and I must admit I found the legroom in my Spitfire to be fine with the seat moved right back. Getting in and out was a bit awkward, but once in I was always quite comfortable. Fitting a 13" steering wheel helped. I was just over 30 when my Spitfire finally died (about 5 years ago) so youth might have helped! Also I'm in the UK, so my Spitfire was right-hand drive, don't know if the legroom is any better/worse in LHD cars. When I fitted Mazda MX5 (Miata) seats things definitely got worse, so don't do that! Sorry, this still doesn't help you much... 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The following UK companies within the Penspen Group and any electronic communication sent on behalf of any of them, are subject to the provisions of the UK Companies Act 1985; PENSPEN HOLDINGS LIMITED (Company Number : 980600) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) PENSPEN LIMITED (Company Number: 584446) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) (Unipen, Penspen Integrity and Andrew Palmer & Associates are operating divisions of Penspen Limited and Spencer & Partners and Pencol are trade names of Penspen Limited) MANCHESTER JETLINE LIMITED (Company Number: 2392093) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 537 8635 08) From krhodes1 at maine.rr.com Thu Mar 20 06:21:43 2008 From: krhodes1 at maine.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080320132158.USOT12279.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.com> How did you move the seat back? I have much the same problem - I would LOVE a couple more inches of legroom. My seat is as far back as the tub will allow, I think. Any tricks appreciated! I have been meaning to try raising the front edge of the seat. I think some kind of long thin wedge will be in order though, as the seat rails don't look very strong - I think they would just bend if unsupported. Of course, I weigh rather a lot.... Big guy, little car, people seem to find it amusing. I also don't really fit with the top up, so I try my best not to drive Freddy that way! And getting in and out is MUCH harder now at 39 than it was when I bought him at 27! Especially with the top up. Kevin Rhodes Freddy the Spitfire Westbrook, Maine At 06:05 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote: >Fellow Listers; > > This may seem like an odd question about our Spits, but here goes.... > > I'm 6 ft 2 in tall and I really would like to get some more leg > room in my '77 Spit. I've gone ahead and moved the driver's seat > back a couple of inches from the stock position. However, I've > found this is also inadequate. > > Have any other tall listers found a solution to this problem > (without selling the car and purchasing a larger LBC, that is)?? > > > Thanks.... > > Matt M. > '77 Spitfire >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Spitfires at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > >http://www.team.net/archive > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1334 - Release Date: >3/18/2008 8:52 PM From jimmuller at rcn.com Thu Mar 20 08:11:36 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <20080320132158.USOT12279.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.com> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E24668.3835.E90D57B@localhost> I'm surprised no one has suggested moving the pedals. The idea would be to modify the master cylinder hangers for clutch a brake. Of course, the most important pedal is the throttle since that's the one you have to hold your foot on (also the one that makes the car get louder). The throttle pedal would require a differen treatment. There isn't much extra room for the pedals to bottom out against the firewall but one could still gain an inch or so maybe. Hey, it's easier than surgery. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From growe58 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 20 10:18:58 2008 From: growe58 at hotmail.com (Greg Rowe) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:18:58 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room In-Reply-To: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Miata seats actually give you more leg room, although only if you mod the pan so they go all the way back. But they definietly cut into head room so it's a trade off (I think they give you more leg room because they are raised in the front, which bends your leg, but still gives you support). The other thing that I did was install cruise control which means that I can put my foot anywhere it's comfortable at least for short recovery periods. Maybe a little weird in a sports car, but for $100 for the audiovox unit, I think it was a good investment. Matt, I seem to recall that you may live near to me (I'm in Hatfield PA). If so, you are welcome to drive my car with Miata seats and see what you think. Contact me off-list... Best! Greg Rowe> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:05:02 -0700> From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com> To: spitfires at autox.team.net> Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room> > Fellow Listers;> > This may seem like an odd question about our Spits, but here goes....> > I'm 6 ft 2 in tall and I really would like to get some more leg room in my '77 Spit. I've gone ahead and moved the driver's seat back a couple of inches from the stock position. However, I've found this is also inadequate. > > Have any other tall listers found a solution to this problem (without selling the car and purchasing a larger LBC, that is)??> > > Thanks....> > Matt M.> '77 Spitfire > _______________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause From frede.thomas2 at verizon.net Thu Mar 20 10:49:11 2008 From: frede.thomas2 at verizon.net (FRED E THOMAS) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Leg Room Message-ID: <00d101c88ab2$b4be6ed0$3a2b7247@fred8kwiskhcfu> Speaking of "leg room", remember a few years back Wilt Chamberlan" at 7'4" drove a V/W Beattle and seemed to have no problems. "FT" From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 10:56:40 2008 From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Leg Room In-Reply-To: <00d101c88ab2$b4be6ed0$3a2b7247@fred8kwiskhcfu> Message-ID: <233258.72818.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hmmm....I thought that was a 70's era VW Rabbit...but I could be wrong! Matt FRED E THOMAS wrote: Speaking of "leg room", remember a few years back Wilt Chamberlan" at 7'4" drove a V/W Beattle and seemed to have no problems. "FT" Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com Thu Mar 20 12:36:23 2008 From: ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com (Chris Crisenbery) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:36:23 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Adjustable Vertical Links Message-ID: Dear Spit Lister's, A few of my racing buddies have asked me to build an adjustable rear vertical link based on John Wolfe's picture as well as Kas' book. These are probably more geared towards the road racing and autocross group, but thought I would share with you all. Wolfe gets 80 pounds ($160 plus shipping from UK) for the parts only and that doesn't include the vertical link nor it's modification and welding. I will need to get $200.00 plus shipping for the set, sand blasted, painted, heims, etc. complete and I'm supplying all parts. If Owner wants to supply the Vertical Links then $175.00 plus shipping. Cheers Chris ___________________________ Christopher E. Crisenbery, P.E. Feller, Finch & Associates, Inc. 2797 Spring Arbor Rd., Suite B Jackson, MI 49203 p/n (517) 783-0710 fax (517) 783-0711 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Vertical Link.JPG] From ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com Thu Mar 20 12:42:10 2008 From: ccrisenbery at fellerfinch.com (Chris Crisenbery) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:42:10 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Adjustable Vertical Links Message-ID: If anyone want's a picture of the completed assembly e-mail me directly. Chris ___________________________ Christopher E. Crisenbery, P.E. Feller, Finch & Associates, Inc. 2797 Spring Arbor Rd., Suite B Jackson, MI 49203 p/n (517) 783-0710 fax (517) 783-0711 From parrotthead01 at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 13:43:15 2008 From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel parrott) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Leg Room In-Reply-To: <00d101c88ab2$b4be6ed0$3a2b7247@fred8kwiskhcfu> References: <00d101c88ab2$b4be6ed0$3a2b7247@fred8kwiskhcfu> Message-ID: <003c01c88acb$067eda30$137c8e90$@net> Of course, I remembered that he removed the front drivers' seat and sat in the back! -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of FRED E THOMAS Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:49 PM To: spitfires Subject: [Spits] Leg Room Speaking of "leg room", remember a few years back Wilt Chamberlan" at 7'4" drove a V/W Beattle and seemed to have no problems. "FT" Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Mar 20 17:45:09 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:45:09 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080320132158.USOT12279.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <002201c88aec$d0cf9880$0201a8c0@Bevan> I always felt a little sorry for owners of LHD Spitfires regarding legroom. It was something of a bete-noir within the company when compared to RHD cars. I drove plenty of both versions and while the brake and clutch offset was never an issue for me, the location of the accelerator on LHD was agonising after more than about an hour at the wheel. I was 6'1" in those days, so I sympathise with those of that height and more. I only saw one car where the owner had done something and while it was the better part of 40 years ago, he had: 1. Relocated the driver's seat runner a little further back, and 2. Had changed the accelerator from a pendant pedal to an organ type from a Spridget. At least it looked like a Spridget pedal. I think there was a split cable as well. Cable from pedal ran upwards and then backwards to one side of a simple crank to which the carburetter cable was attached to the other side. Really can't remember the specifics now except for the fact it made a LHD Spitfire a MUCH more comfortable car to drive and, more importantly, it worked very well. FWIW.... Jonmac From foxtrapper at aceweb.com Fri Mar 21 03:01:12 2008 From: foxtrapper at aceweb.com (Nolan) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:01:12 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room References: <640455.78964.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com><20080320132158.USOT12279.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@PARKROAD.maine.rr.co m> <002201c88aec$d0cf9880$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <002301c88b3a$7eeaf2f0$8f29c40a@mde.state.md.us> Some short legged drivers find it uncomfortable on the highway as well. Most of it from my observation of my own discomfort seems to do with the leg being twisted outwards. The stock knee bolster just isn't enough. If I simply put my fist down between the bolster and my leg it helps a great deal. So a rolled up towel or such stuffed there would work. As well an improved bolster. I've also used my left foot to hold my right foot more upright. Sounds much more awkward than it is. On a long drive, my right foot tends to twist as my heel slips under the brake pedal. If I let my left foot hold the heel of my other foot in place, I stay more comfortable. A little bracket bolted to the floorboard to hold my heel would probably work just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room >I always felt a little sorry for owners of LHD Spitfires regarding legroom. >It was something of a > bete-noir within the company when compared to RHD cars. I drove plenty of > both versions and while > the brake and clutch offset was never an issue for me, the location of the > accelerator on LHD was > agonising after more than about an hour at the wheel. I was 6'1" in those > days, so I sympathise with > those of that height and more. I only saw one car where the owner had done > something and while it > was the better part of 40 years ago, he had: > > 1. Relocated the driver's seat runner a little further back, and > 2. Had changed the accelerator from a pendant pedal to an organ type from > a Spridget. At least it > looked like a Spridget pedal. I think there was a split cable as well. > Cable from pedal ran upwards > and then backwards to one side of a simple crank to which the carburetter > cable was attached to the > other side. > > Really can't remember the specifics now except for the fact it made a LHD > Spitfire a MUCH more > comfortable car to drive and, more importantly, it worked very well. > > FWIW.... > > Jonmac > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From bill at gingerich.us Fri Mar 21 06:56:21 2008 From: bill at gingerich.us (bill at gingerich.us) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:56:21 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room Message-ID: <20080321065621.4412066ecf79773770454ed1d3ca4b3c.a84ae6aa68.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I can vouch for the towel idea. I do that all the time. I may investigate modifying the pedals. Interesting idea I hadn't really considered. Bill G -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room From: "Nolan" Date: Fri, March 21, 2008 5:01 am To: Some short legged drivers find it uncomfortable on the highway as well. Most of it from my observation of my own discomfort seems to do with the leg being twisted outwards. The stock knee bolster just isn't enough. If I simply put my fist down between the bolster and my leg it helps a great deal. So a rolled up towel or such stuffed there would work. As well an improved bolster. I've also used my left foot to hold my right foot more upright. Sounds much more awkward than it is. On a long drive, my right foot tends to twist as my heel slips under the brake pedal. If I let my left foot hold the heel of my other foot in place, I stay more comfortable. A little bracket bolted to the floorboard to hold my heel would probably work just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire Leg Room >I always felt a little sorry for owners of LHD Spitfires regarding legroom. >It was something of a > bete-noir within the company when compared to RHD cars. I drove plenty of > both versions and while > the brake and clutch offset was never an issue for me, the location of the > accelerator on LHD was > agonising after more than about an hour at the wheel. I was 6'1" in those > days, so I sympathise with > those of that height and more. I only saw one car where the owner had done > something and while it > was the better part of 40 years ago, he had: > > 1. Relocated the driver's seat runner a little further back, and > 2. Had changed the accelerator from a pendant pedal to an organ type from > a Spridget. At least it > looked like a Spridget pedal. I think there was a split cable as well. > Cable from pedal ran upwards > and then backwards to one side of a simple crank to which the carburetter > cable was attached to the > other side. > > Really can't remember the specifics now except for the fact it made a LHD > Spitfire a MUCH more > comfortable car to drive and, more importantly, it worked very well. > > FWIW.... > > Jonmac From bdischer at blakedischer.com Mon Mar 24 20:08:37 2008 From: bdischer at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Spits] 3 Locations for America's British Reliability Run Message-ID: <65FB400D-EC3F-43F8-B129-68D4B208DC2E@blakedischer.com> America's British Reliability Run Includes Three Separate Runs for 2008 In it's sixth year, America's British Reliability Run is a challenging, but fun, driving event that so far has raised more than $130,000 for worthy children's charities. This year, three separate 800-mile runs on the same weekend, September 27-28, 2008, will benefit three highly-rated, local childrens' charities. One run starts in Michigan, another in Pennsylvania, and yet another in Alabama! Each two-person team pays their own expenses out-of-pocket and has a goal of raising $500 for the charity. Up to 40 British cars of any marque or vintage may participate in each run. Even if you can't participate in the run, please support this effort by making a donation of any size. Again, teams pay their own expenses, so 100% of your donation goes to the charity, please help us increase our total! To register your car, donate, or read more about the run, visit http://www.abrr.org. From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 28 07:56:03 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:56:03 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Spits] Classic names are part of Tata deal Message-ID: <26814859.1206716163707.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Classic names are part of Tata deal Tony Lewin Automotive News | March 27, 2008 - 6:46 am EST Tata Motors will get the right use three classic British auto-brand names as part of its $2.3 billion deal to buy Jaguar and Land Rover. Included in the deal are the Rover name and the Jaguar-owned names of Daimler and Lanchester. Ford bought the rights to the Rover brand name from BMW in September 2006 for an undisclosed sum to ensure no other automaker could use it and cause confusion with the Land Rover brand. "We acquired the Rover trademark in the interests of protecting Land Rover," said Ford of Europe spokesman John Gardiner. "So it's also in the interests of the new owner of Land Rover to have it." BMW obtained ownership of the Rover name when it bought the Rover group in 1994. In 2006, BMW refused a request from China's SAIC to use the Rover brand name under license. SAIC had bought some assets of the ailing MG Rover group and now builds cars called Roewes in China. Jaguar acquired the rights to sell cars badged as Daimlers in 1960 from the UK Daimler car company that was founded in 1896 and licensed by Gottlieb Daimler to use his internal combustion engine. The UK Daimler car company also owned the Lanchester brand name. You may e-mail Tony Lewin at autonews at crain.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Daimler finally ditches Chrysler following name change New brand name is confirmed as Daimler AG DaimlerChrysler has expunged the memory of its ill-fated merger with the American carmaker Chrysler after finally agreeing on a name change. Following months of debate, shareholders yesterday approved changing the manufacturer's name to Daimler AG. Despite chief executive Dieter Zetsche's insistence that the company take the name, shareholders, who had wanted to include Benz in the company's masthead, were satisfied by a compromise. Benz name Co-founder of the German company Karl Benz will be honoured by changing the name of the company's premium division Mercedes Car Group to Mercedes-Benz Cars and renaming the van unit Mercedes-Benz Vans. DaimlerChrysler Bank will also be renamed Mercedes-Benz Bank. The changes will see the remaking of corporate material, including letterheads and websites, and will cost between b,50 - 60m (B#34.6 - 41.5m). The decision to use Daimler complies with an agreement struck between the German manufacturer and Ford in August, which gave DaimlerChrysler permission to use the Daimler name. The Daimler name is currently owned by Jaguar. From StagByTriumph at tscusa.org Fri Mar 28 22:02:02 2008 From: StagByTriumph at tscusa.org (Glenn A. Merrell) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:02:02 -0600 Subject: [Spits] TTA Pledges, Holdouts, and Pink Floyd Message-ID: <47EDCD4A.2050508@tscusa.org> Hi All, A man is only as good as his word. Your word is your bond. Theme song for this Charity Drive is "On the Turning Away" by Pink Floyd. Have a listen to the words, read them below, then get your checkbook out, write that check and get it into the mail! On the turning away From the pale and downtrodden And the words they say Which we won't understand "Don't accept that what's happening Is just a case of others' suffering Or you'll find that you're joining in The turning away" It's a sin that somehow Light is changing to shadow And casting its shroud Over all we have known Unaware how the ranks have grown Driven on by a heart of stone We could find that we're all alone In the dream of the proud On the wings of the night As the daytime is stirring Where the speechless unite In a silent accord Using words you will find are strange And mesmerized as they light the flame Feel the new wind of change On the wings of the night No more turning away From the weak and the weary No more turning away From the coldness inside Just a world that we all must share It's not enough just to stand and stare Is it only a dream that there'll be No more turning away? goto: http://www.ranteer.com/misc2/ Thanks! -- Glenn A. Merrell Chairman, Triumph Stag Club USA (2007-2009) The best trophies are miles on the odometer, stone chips in the paint, dead bugs on the windshield! From jhmdds at aol.com Sat Mar 29 09:08:32 2008 From: jhmdds at aol.com (jhmdds at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:08:32 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire MKII Grill Message-ID: <8CA5FCE454B0C9E-F4C-DFD@FWM-D07.sysops.aol.com> I have two sets of grills for my '66 Spitfire MKII restoration project and would like to know which are the proper ones to use.? Pictures on the Spitfire/GT6 website show both.? I don't have them in front of me but as I remember one set has about 7 horizontal?ribs connected only on the ends by the surrounding metal.? That is to say there is no metal between the ribs.? This set came with the car but so did several other parts that belong to a GT6.? The other set has more horizontal ribs, maybe ten,?and thin vertical slats in the space between the ribs.? I got these off a MKI donor car.? Can anyone help? James Maddox From jimmuller at rcn.com Sat Mar 29 11:39:46 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:39:46 -0400 Subject: [Spits] spring cleaning Message-ID: <47EE54B2.9788.3F617AA@localhost> Fellow Triumphirazzi and Spitfirazzi, My better half has asked me to clean some of the car parts out of her gardening shed. So in the interest of domestic tranquility I am therefore discarding (finally) a bunch of stuff that came with or off of the Spitfire or GT6. Some of it might be useful to any of you doing a restoration to original appearance. Yours for the pick-up: 8 steel wheels, oval-hole, painted silver, good condition though probably all not totally perfectly round. I was driving on them before replacing wheels and tires, but that was some years ago. Those from the Spitfire are stamped 5Jx13x22. Those from the GT6 are stamped 4.5x13x88. 4 chrome trim rings from the GT6 wheels, bright and shiny (more or less). 4 plastic spring-loaded center hubcaps for the Spitfire, gray with "Triumph" in blue letters across the center. Also 3 steel gold-colored unsloted wheels of unknown source, probably came with but certainly not on the GT6. If these aren't useful to any of you (and I don't really expect they would be) they'll be thrown out. Also free for the pick-up but not to be pitched: GT6 hatch with window and rear latch, good condition. Various side and door glass pieces for the GT6. And we have a nice rear-tine garden tiller for sale, power drive wheel snad power reverse. Its 0-60 time is quite good if you figure the 60 aa cm/sec. No hardtop available though. No, there are no racing parts. Sorry. Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 30 08:21:11 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:21:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Spits] Nice 1975 MGB For Sale On Craigslist Message-ID: <18188695.1206890471343.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear Readers, In response to my announcement that the Palo Alto All British Car Meet has been moved to the Brisbane, CA, Sierra Point Marina for this year's meet (Sept. 6th & 7th, 2008), I got this email from participant Peter Kepler. This is a very good deal for someone who wants to get into the hobby on a shoestring with a really clean car that is out of CA smog demands - Yes, It has the big ol' rubber baby buggy bumpers but that is good if you live in a city and they are now removable with the new chrome bumper kits (that can be installed by the folks at ON THE ROAD AGAIN in Morgan Hill, CA). Check it out..... Best, Rick Feibusch -----Forwarded Message----- From: Peter Kepler Sent: Mar 29, 2008 11:05 PM To: Richard Feibusch Subject: Re: The 2008 Palo Alto (CA) British Meet Sept 8 & 9 Richard, My 1975 MGB Anniversary with lots of extras is really in very good condition, I must sell for family reasons, I've listed it for under 4K, please pass it along to anyone you know might be appreciated, thank you very much. Enjoyed the Palo Alto show last year. Here is the link https://post.craigslist.org/manage/623699248/yi2r6 Peter Kepler From jimmuller at rcn.com Sun Mar 30 08:20:43 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Spits] spring cleaning In-Reply-To: <132122.12566.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <47EE54B2.9788.3F617AA@localhost> Message-ID: <47EF778B.16068.8663723@localhost> Yesterday a few people wrote to me asking, essentially: > WHERE???? I had actualy told myself that I must include my location in that spring cleaning note. But you see, I wrote that note while sitting outside with my laptop. The temperature never got above 40degF so just moving the fingers was a struggle. I figured I was doing pretty good just to get it typed at all, and just plum forgot about giving my location. Okay, maybe the beer helped a little bit too. Boston area. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From cbhlouky at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 30 17:06:40 2008 From: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net (Craig) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:06:40 -0400 Subject: [Spits] 78 throttle cable replacement Message-ID: <007601c892c3$19298a90$0201a8c0@home9cmfx9peca> Hello and help! So my throttle cable breaks on the way to work... tow it home, order new one.... get new one in mail... can't get the old one out of the firewall.... :-) It will spin but won't pull out even though there doesn't appear to be anything holding it in like a barb or something that needs to be pinched. The new cable housing doesn't seem to have any retention mechanism either. Do I need better glasses? Stumped in Louisville, Craig Holmes 78 Spitfire From mdporter at dfn.com Sun Mar 30 18:59:02 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:59:02 -0600 Subject: [Spits] I'm sure the one-liners will peel off from this... Message-ID: <47F04566.9040306@dfn.com> ... as easily as strips of rubber from an overheated tire: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3649197.ece I wonder if Mr. Mosley will say that he was just doing private research on the best instrument for measuring in-tank fuel temperature? :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From nmoseley at dccnet.com Sun Mar 30 20:28:43 2008 From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:28:43 -0700 Subject: [Spits] 78 throttle cable replacement In-Reply-To: <007601c892c3$19298a90$0201a8c0@home9cmfx9peca> Message-ID: <1206934184_18578@mx.dccnet.com> The cable runs through a metal sort of bushing in the firewall shelf. The bushing is almost upside-down bell shaped. I seem to recall that prying from the top is not a good idea, and that pushing the wire all the way into the engine compartment, then thumping it up and out with the head of a hammer will work. Nick Moseley (no relation to Max, note the extra "e") -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+nmoseley=dccnet.com at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+nmoseley=dccnet.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:07 PM To: Spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] 78 throttle cable replacement Hello and help! So my throttle cable breaks on the way to work... tow it home, order new one.... get new one in mail... can't get the old one out of the firewall.... :-) It will spin but won't pull out even though there doesn't appear to be anything holding it in like a barb or something that needs to be pinched. The new cable housing doesn't seem to have any retention mechanism either. Do I need better glasses? Stumped in Louisville, Craig Holmes 78 Spitfire Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From tr6parts at charter.net Mon Mar 31 07:33:47 2008 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Alan Salvatore) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:33:47 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Bolt Patternon Spitfire References: <1206934184_18578@mx.dccnet.com> Message-ID: <005401c8933c$3b0b0d40$af14b318@alan> Hi, Could someone give me the dimentions of the lug pattern of a spitfire. Is it close to 4 x 4 1/2 of the tr6? thanks Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Moseley" To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Spits] 78 throttle cable replacement > The cable runs through a metal sort of bushing in the firewall shelf. The > bushing is almost upside-down bell shaped. I seem to recall that prying > from > the top is not a good idea, and that pushing the wire all the way into the > engine compartment, then thumping it up and out with the head of a hammer > will work. > > Nick Moseley (no relation to Max, note the extra "e") > > -----Original Message----- > From: spitfires-bounces+nmoseley=dccnet.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+nmoseley=dccnet.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Craig > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:07 PM > To: Spitfires at autox.team.net > Subject: [Spits] 78 throttle cable replacement > > Hello and help! > So my throttle cable breaks on the way to work... tow it home, order new > one.... get new one in mail... can't get the old one out of the > firewall.... > :-) It will spin but won't pull out even though there doesn't appear to > be > anything holding it in like a barb or something that needs to be pinched. > The > new cable housing doesn't seem to have any retention mechanism either. Do > I > need better glasses? > > Stumped in Louisville, > Craig Holmes > 78 Spitfire > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 > 5:02 PM From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 07:46:10 2008 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Bolt Patternon Spitfire In-Reply-To: <005401c8933c$3b0b0d40$af14b318@alan> Message-ID: <834479.14695.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> uh no...i believe it to be 4 x 3.75 todd --- Alan Salvatore wrote: > Hi, > > Could someone give me the dimentions of the lug > pattern of a spitfire. > Is it close to 4 x 4 1/2 of the tr6? > > thanks > Al > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Moseley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Spits] 78 throttle cable replacement > > > > The cable runs through a metal sort of bushing in > the firewall shelf. The > > bushing is almost upside-down bell shaped. I seem > to recall that prying > > from > > the top is not a good idea, and that pushing the > wire all the way into the > > engine compartment, then thumping it up and out > with the head of a hammer > > will work. > > > > Nick Moseley (no relation to Max, note the extra > "e") > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > spitfires-bounces+nmoseley=dccnet.com at autox.team.net > > > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+nmoseley=dccnet.com at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of > > Craig > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:07 PM > > To: Spitfires at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Spits] 78 throttle cable replacement > > > > Hello and help! > > So my throttle cable breaks on the way to work... > tow it home, order new > > one.... get new one in mail... can't get the old > one out of the > > firewall.... > > :-) It will spin but won't pull out even though > there doesn't appear to > > be > > anything holding it in like a barb or something > that needs to be pinched. > > The > > new cable housing doesn't seem to have any > retention mechanism either. Do > > I > > need better glasses? > > > > Stumped in Louisville, > > Craig Holmes > > 78 Spitfire > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > > > http://www.team.net/archive ____________________________________________________________________________________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com From r.gosling at penspen.com Mon Mar 31 07:55:32 2008 From: r.gosling at penspen.com (Gosling, Richard) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:55:32 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Bolt Patternon Spitfire References: <834479.14695.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF865@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com> It's a pattern that is not that common, unfortunately, so it is not easy to find wheels off other cars that fit. Apart from the obvious (Triumph Herald, Vitesse and GT6, and possibly also TR7 but I could have remembered wrong) I think some 60's Lotus cars had the same size (used some of the same suspension parts), and possibly the MGF and TF (the recent mid-engined car, not the 50's square-rigger TF). Larger Triumph cars (TR series, Stag, big saloons, not sure about small saloons i.e. Dolomite/Toledo) did not have the same size. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return E-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that E-mails are susceptible to change. 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The following UK companies within the Penspen Group and any electronic communication sent on behalf of any of them, are subject to the provisions of the UK Companies Act 1985; PENSPEN HOLDINGS LIMITED (Company Number : 980600) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) PENSPEN LIMITED (Company Number: 584446) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) (Unipen, Penspen Integrity and Andrew Palmer & Associates are operating divisions of Penspen Limited and Spencer & Partners and Pencol are trade names of Penspen Limited) MANCHESTER JETLINE LIMITED (Company Number: 2392093) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 537 8635 08) From tr6parts at charter.net Mon Mar 31 07:56:44 2008 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Alan Salvatore) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:56:44 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Bolt Patternon Spitfire References: <834479.14695.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF865@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com> Message-ID: <006801c8933f$6fedfe70$af14b318@alan> Thanks for the info, Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gosling, Richard" To: "Todd Bermudez" ; "Alan Salvatore" ; Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [Spits] Bolt Patternon Spitfire It's a pattern that is not that common, unfortunately, so it is not easy to find wheels off other cars that fit. Apart from the obvious (Triumph Herald, Vitesse and GT6, and possibly also TR7 but I could have remembered wrong) I think some 60's Lotus cars had the same size (used some of the same suspension parts), and possibly the MGF and TF (the recent mid-engined car, not the 50's square-rigger TF). Larger Triumph cars (TR series, Stag, big saloons, not sure about small saloons i.e. Dolomite/Toledo) did not have the same size. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return E-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that E-mails are susceptible to change. 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The following UK companies within the Penspen Group and any electronic communication sent on behalf of any of them, are subject to the provisions of the UK Companies Act 1985; PENSPEN HOLDINGS LIMITED (Company Number : 980600) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) PENSPEN LIMITED (Company Number: 584446) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) (Unipen, Penspen Integrity and Andrew Palmer & Associates are operating divisions of Penspen Limited and Spencer & Partners and Pencol are trade names of Penspen Limited) MANCHESTER JETLINE LIMITED (Company Number: 2392093) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 537 8635 08) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1352 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 10:13 AM From red_tr250 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 08:30:59 2008 From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Bolt Patternon Spitfire In-Reply-To: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF865@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com> Message-ID: <722734.87654.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I believe the Dolomites had the same bolt pattern ie Sprint. The All TRs, Saloons had the 4X4.5 --- "Gosling, Richard" wrote: > It's a pattern that is not that common, > unfortunately, so it is not easy > to find wheels off other cars that fit. Apart from > the obvious (Triumph > Herald, Vitesse and GT6, and possibly also TR7 but I > could have > remembered wrong) I think some 60's Lotus cars had > the same size (used > some of the same suspension parts), and possibly the > MGF and TF (the > recent mid-engined car, not the 50's square-rigger > TF). Larger Triumph > cars (TR series, Stag, big saloons, not sure about > small saloons i.e. > Dolomite/Toledo) did not have the same size. > > > Richard > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com From jimmuller at rcn.com Mon Mar 31 08:32:29 2008 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:32:29 -0400 Subject: [Spits] Bolt Patternon Spitfire In-Reply-To: <005401c8933c$3b0b0d40$af14b318@alan> Message-ID: <47F0CBCD.335.D975857@localhost> On 31 Mar 2008 at 10:33, Alan Salvatore wrote: > Could someone give me the dimentions of the lug pattern of > a spitfire. Someone already mentioned various Lotus cars. One I know of is the Europa. If you are looking for steel wheels for a re-build to original appearance, I have some you can have. I'm in the Boston area... -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+