From frogeye at cox.net  Wed Jul  2 12:21:03 2008
From: frogeye at cox.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:21:03 -0400
Subject: [Spits] sheetmetal and hardtop
Message-ID: <02e801c8dc70$636ec1f0$e5b10144@maind>

Sorry to bomb this list again but....
I had posted some brand new sheetmetal parts available and a hardtop as well.
Several folks contacted me off the list , directly.
I replied but nothing back as yet.
I still have both rear qtr panels and 2 outer rockers, 2 very straight door
shells with all hardware and glass and a trunk lid.
These parts came from a 1974 Sit project gone bad here in Rhode Island.
Any interest please contact me off list
frogeye at cox.net
I am strictly a Sprite/Midget enthusiasts and can't use any of these parts.
Thanks once again

Alan

From jwolff3 at verizon.net  Thu Jul  3 08:03:51 2008
From: jwolff3 at verizon.net (jwolff3 at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:03:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Mk 2 Engine color?
Message-ID: <9170188.3275631215093831742.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Does anyone know the original color that the engines were painted from 
the factory?
Thanks,

Jason

From zoboherald at aol.com  Thu Jul  3 10:05:41 2008
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:05:41 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Mk 2 Engine color?
In-Reply-To: <9170188.3275631215093831742.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <9170188.3275631215093831742.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <8CAAB3DC67AB425-304-89C@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: jwolff3 at verizon.net

Does anyone know the original color that the engines were painted from 
the factory?

==AM==
Engines were black, except for that lovely goldish/copperish valve 
cover.

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>

From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  3 16:29:23 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:29:23 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Mk 2 Engine color?
References: <9170188.3275631215093831742.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <052101c8dd5c$3f4d0100$0201a8c0@Bevan>

Jason

As Andy Mace has advised, they were black with a coppery valve cover. Standard-Triumph used this 
coppery gold paint for at least five years (maybe more) after it sold the Ferguson tractor 
business - but never cancelled the paint contract. When sold, Ferguson was making the FE35 model 
with a coppery gold skidded unit and Ferguson Grey bonnet, wheel centre plates and splashers (rear 
'mudguards')
So, if you want the correct colour of gold or copper, go to a tractor refurb specialist. All the 
gold or copper colours I've seen in the UK from the car paint suppliers is different to the genuine 
article. FWIW...

Jonmac
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jwolff3 at verizon.net>
To: "Spitfire" <Spitfires at autox.team.net>; "Spitfire" <Spitfires at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Mk 2 Engine color?


> Does anyone know the original color that the engines were painted from
> the factory?
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  3 19:18:45 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:18:45 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Spits] 2008 VENTURA  BRITISH CAR SHOW - July 27th - Oxnard
Message-ID: <13671274.1215134325840.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The Central Coast British Car Club Presents:

THE EIGHTEENTH ANNUAL VENTURA COUNTY BRITISH CAR SHOW

Channel Islands Harbour   *  July 27th, 2008

Join us for a great afternoon at our wonderful waterfront location at the
Channel Islands Harbour. This year we are honoring the Austin Healey marque,
featuring the 50th anniversary of the Bugeye Sprite.

There will be food, entertainment, vendors, and a swap meet and some of the
finest British Cars in Southern California.

Oxnard is but a short and lovely drive up the coast from Los Angeles b Come
to Oxnard, enjoy the show, enjoy the ride, be back by supper b SEE YOU
THERE!!!


Website:

www.centralcoastbritishcarclub.com

INFORMATION:
Gary Rice     (805) 644-3290  <gary.rice at worldnet.att.net)
Dave Wellwood (805) 469-7842  <dswellwood at hotmail.com>
Bill Guzman   (805) 484-1528  <BG.GTV6 at verizon.net>

*******************************************************

From maya2blue at juno.com  Sat Jul  5 09:52:57 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:52:57 -0500
Subject: [Spits] fyi - oil filter adapter 5/8" TO 3/4"
Message-ID: <20080705.105257.3356.1.maya2blue@juno.com>

a recent subject of discussion on the lists....

fyi ...   eBay item   270252640606

nfi .... etc etc 

harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
____________________________________________________________
Click here for financial aid options.  Quick and Easy.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jul  5 10:16:42 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:42 -0700
Subject: [Spits] fyi - oil filter adapter 5/8" TO 3/4"
In-Reply-To: <20080705.105257.3356.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
References: <20080705.105257.3356.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8deba$8342b710$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

I am totally amazed.  Buy it now for $7.99 and pay another $6.80 to ship
something that you can pick up at any British Wrecking yard for virtually
nothing.

Spitbits has it listed in their on-line catalog for $4.31.

 
https://store.digitaloutlook.com/Store/showdetl.cfm?&DID=63&Product_ID=13057
&CATID=154

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
maya2blue at juno.com
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:53 AM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] fyi - oil filter adapter 5/8" TO 3/4"

a recent subject of discussion on the lists....

fyi ...   eBay item   270252640606

nfi .... etc etc 

harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
____________________________________________________________
Click here for financial aid options.  Quick and Easy.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIGkRZo7XBzVlEZFvNU96dSYB
YrJ3O0HnjeFmR0Fus55fyY/
Spitfires at autox.team.net
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From nmoseley at dccnet.com  Sat Jul  5 10:18:15 2008
From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:18:15 -0700
Subject: [Spits] options for removing undercoat?
Message-ID: <002b01c8deba$bc417970$04000100@yourb27fb1c401>

What are the methods everyone has found worked best for removing undercoat.
I am cleaning up an engine bay, and the shock turrets where the A-arms
mount, and the passenger bulkhead footwell, are covered with the stuff. I
removed it from the rest of the area back in the mists of time, and can't
remember how. (Oh oh)

 

Many thanks! 

 

Nick Moseley, NASS #278,

76-81 Spits, GT6, Metro Vancouver B.C.

From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jul  5 10:25:44 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:25:44 -0700
Subject: [Spits] options for removing undercoat?
In-Reply-To: <002b01c8deba$bc417970$04000100@yourb27fb1c401>
References: <002b01c8deba$bc417970$04000100@yourb27fb1c401>
Message-ID: <001001c8debb$c6853b50$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

If it is an asphalt based undercoating, PPG's Acryli-Clean (or some other
similar product from another manufacturer) will dissolve it without
bothering the paint underneath.  

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nick
Moseley
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:18 AM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; 'spitfires @
autox . team . net'
Subject: [Spits] options for removing undercoat?

What are the methods everyone has found worked best for removing undercoat.
I am cleaning up an engine bay, and the shock turrets where the A-arms
mount, and the passenger bulkhead footwell, are covered with the stuff. I
removed it from the rest of the area back in the mists of time, and can't
remember how. (Oh oh)

 

Many thanks! 

 

Nick Moseley, NASS #278,

76-81 Spits, GT6, Metro Vancouver B.C.
Spitfires at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires

http://www.team.net/archive

From maya2blue at juno.com  Sat Jul  5 10:57:09 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:57:09 -0500
Subject: [Spits] fyi - oil filter adapter 5/8" TO 3/4"
Message-ID: <20080705.115709.4032.1.maya2blue@juno.com>

Hey Joe!!  

You are sooo right.....  The SLP 178  sells for $4.31 and ships for $7.10
- total of $11.41.  Sure beats $14.79 from eBay

It pays to shop around... as usual!

Caveat emptor!! 

harve

Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:42 -0700 "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net> writes:
> I am totally amazed.  Buy it now for $7.99 and pay another $6.80 to
ship
> something that you can pick up at any British Wrecking yard for 
virtually nothing.
> 
> Spitbits has it listed in their on-line catalog for $4.31.
> 
>  
>
https://store.digitaloutlook.com/Store/showdetl.cfm?&DID=63&Product_ID=13
057
> &CATID=154
> 
> Joe C.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf 
> Of
> maya2blue at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:53 AM
> To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
> spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
> spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; 
> Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
> triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spits] fyi - oil filter adapter 5/8" TO 3/4"
> 
> a recent subject of discussion on the lists....
> 
> fyi ...   eBay item   270252640606
> 
> nfi .... etc etc 
> 
> harve
> 
> 
> Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
> 531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
> Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
> 72701 USA 
> 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click here for financial aid options.  Quick and Easy.
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIGkRZo7XBzVlEZFvNU96d
SYB
> YrJ3O0HnjeFmR0Fus55fyY/
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
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From mike.vasquez at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 11:20:22 2008
From: mike.vasquez at gmail.com (Mike Vasquez)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:20:22 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?
Message-ID: <28f529ba0807051020x4ba3725ald6df54eba640eb67@mail.gmail.com>

For some reason, I had always thought '75 was the last year of chrome
bumpers, then somewhere I thought it was '78, but then I saw a '78
that apeared to have bumper, and got all confused.  Can someone
authoritatively straighten me out?

Thanks,
Mike

From parrotthead01 at comcast.net  Sat Jul  5 12:02:46 2008
From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel parrott)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:02:46 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?
In-Reply-To: <28f529ba0807051020x4ba3725ald6df54eba640eb67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f529ba0807051020x4ba3725ald6df54eba640eb67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c8dec9$546b4c90$fd41e5b0$@net>

My understanding is that Triumph converted to the rubber bumper sometime in
1979, with or without the forward-slanting radiator and the electric fan.

Joe?

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Vasquez
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:20 PM
To: spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?

For some reason, I had always thought '75 was the last year of chrome
bumpers, then somewhere I thought it was '78, but then I saw a '78
that apeared to have bumper, and got all confused.  Can someone
authoritatively straighten me out?

Thanks,
Mike
Spitfires at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires

http://www.team.net/archive

From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Jul  5 12:15:47 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:15:47 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?
In-Reply-To: <002b01c8dec9$546b4c90$fd41e5b0$@net>
References: <28f529ba0807051020x4ba3725ald6df54eba640eb67@mail.gmail.com>
	<002b01c8dec9$546b4c90$fd41e5b0$@net>
Message-ID: <001701c8decb$25e9dd30$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

Since I haven't really been following the later Spits all that much I can't
say for sure.  However, I bought a new Corvette in 1975, which was the first
year that they had the rubber bumpers front and rear.  So I have to conclude
that it was the US Safety standards that forced Triumph to make the change
as well.

But when it actually happened is not clear.  I know that the rubber add-on
projections were increased in size before the total rubber bumper
conversion, but other than that I can't say.

Andy?

Cheers,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Daniel parrott
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:03 AM
To: 'Mike Vasquez'; spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?

My understanding is that Triumph converted to the rubber bumper sometime in
1979, with or without the forward-slanting radiator and the electric fan.

Joe?

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Vasquez
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:20 PM
To: spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?

For some reason, I had always thought '75 was the last year of chrome
bumpers, then somewhere I thought it was '78, but then I saw a '78
that apeared to have bumper, and got all confused.  Can someone
authoritatively straighten me out?

Thanks,
Mike
Spitfires at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires

http://www.team.net/archive
Spitfires at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires

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From doug at dougbraun.com  Sat Jul  5 12:41:06 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] fyi - oil filter adapter 5/8" TO 3/4"
In-Reply-To: <20080705.115709.4032.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <542925.46679.qm@web604.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Buy this filter from Wix, and you get an adapter for
free:

http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=51312

Doug Braun
'72 Spit

--- maya2blue at juno.com wrote:

> Hey Joe!!  
> 
> You are sooo right.....  The SLP 178  sells for
> $4.31 and ships for $7.10
> - total of $11.41.  Sure beats $14.79 from eBay
> 
> It pays to shop around... as usual!
> 
> Caveat emptor!! 
> 
> harve

From doug at dougbraun.com  Sat Jul  5 13:10:37 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] More on- oil filter adapter 5/8" TO 3/4"
In-Reply-To: <20080705.115709.4032.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <963825.19444.qm@web605.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

There is one thing that you need to watch out for when
using these adapters:  It seems natural to permanently
attach the adapter to the block.  However, this can
leave the adapter screwed into the block too far, and
it may not stick out enough to screw very far into the
filter.  The threads on each end will engage more
fully if you screw the adapter finger-tight into the
filter before screwing the filter onto the block.

Possibly you could work around this by making up a
spacer to go between the adapter and the block, so it
sticks out further.

Doug Braun
'72 Spit

From nmoseley at dccnet.com  Sat Jul  5 15:05:01 2008
From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Spits] options for removing undercoat?
In-Reply-To: <001001c8debb$c6853b50$0202a8c0@newcomputer>
References: <002b01c8deba$bc417970$04000100@yourb27fb1c401>
	<001001c8debb$c6853b50$0202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <004101c8dee2$cae639c0$04000100@yourb27fb1c401>

Joe and Fred, Thanks!

The choices you gave were far better than what I seem to recall doing last
time, which was using just a paint scraper.

I put the shock tower and into the parts washer with solvent, and Viola!
After a little bit of brushing, 'tis a thing of beauty.

Nick Moseley

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:26 AM
To: 'Nick Moseley'; 'spitfires @ autox . team . net'
Subject: RE: [Spits] options for removing undercoat?

If it is an asphalt based undercoating, PPG's Acryli-Clean (or some other
similar product from another manufacturer) will dissolve it without
bothering the paint underneath.  

Joe

From TR250Driver at aol.com  Sat Jul  5 15:44:44 2008
From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:44:44 EDT
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?
Message-ID: <bc8.326d4bb4.35a1454c@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2008 1:20:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.vasquez at gmail.com writes:

For some  reason, I had always thought '75 was the last year of chrome
bumpers, then  somewhere I thought it was '78, but then I saw a '78
that apeared to have  bumper, and got all confused.  Can someone
authoritatively straighten  me out?




Mike,
My 76 has the big rubber bumper extensions on a chrome bumper, similar to  
the TR6.  I am going to say that this is the transition year to that  type. In  
79 perhaps and definitely in 80 a full rubber bumper  appeared w/o chrome on 
the Triumph Spitfire.
Darrell



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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul  5 15:51:09 2008
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:51:09 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Part needed
Message-ID: <AMEPLGDBBNPBELGKPOHEOEEFCBAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Triumphant Ones,

In the process of finally replacing the speedo cable in my Spit,
I lost one of the brackets that hold the speedo in place. I don't
see them listed as separate items in any of the parts books. Does
anyone have an extra that they could sell me?

I can isolate the part in the part breakdowns if you aren't sure
about the part I need.

Thanks in advance,

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

From ZoboHerald at aol.com  Sat Jul  5 22:28:37 2008
From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:28:37 EDT
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?
Message-ID: <c8b.2e2d604e.35a1a3f5@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2008 1:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.vasquez at gmail.com writes:

For some  reason, I had always thought '75 was the last year of chrome
bumpers, then  somewhere I thought it was '78, but then I saw a '78
that apeared to have  bumper, and got all confused.  Can someone
authoritatively straighten  me out?


==AM==
1974 was the first model year to have anything of substance, in the form of  
the rear frame extensions and the almost cone-shaped rubber overriders front 
and  rear. In 1975, they went to the big, more squared-off rubber overriders 
front  and rear, and the rear bumper also got that big overlay in the center  
section.
 
The "all-rubber" front and rear bumpers came in for mid-1979 and continued  
through the end of sales of the Spitfire in the US.  

--Andy   Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not  so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with   wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus   (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6)  and
Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: _http://triumph-herald.us_ 
(http://triumph-herald.us/) 




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From bdischer at blakedischer.com  Sun Jul  6 06:20:57 2008
From: bdischer at blakedischer.com (Blake Discher)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 08:20:57 -0400
Subject: [Spits] VTR Interview: Graham Robson
Message-ID: <8845E740-4AE8-477C-805E-017D67375BF1@blakedischer.com>

Good morning,

In the first of what is hoped will be an ongoing series of  
conversations with individuals having ties to the history of the  
Triumph marque, Triumph historian Graham Robson is interviewed by  
noted automotive journalist Richard Truett. The almost 15 minute  
conversation took place at the 2007 VTR National Convention in July,  
2007. Graham talks about Harry Webster, his thoughts on the return of  
Triumph as a brand, and, he discloses what Triumph he'd like to own...  
it may surprise you!

View the interview here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a6Vnz_JGPKg

See you in Ypsilanti at the North American Triumph Challenge!
Info at: http://www.natc2008.com

________________________
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Vintage Triumph Register

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  7 01:49:57 2008
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:49:57 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Chrome to Rubber bumpers happened....?
In-Reply-To: <c8b.2e2d604e.35a1a3f5@aol.com>
References: <c8b.2e2d604e.35a1a3f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9f2527520807070049u7abadd47l99b3fbd1888e1961@mail.gmail.com>

...except in the UK, where (unlike MG) Triumph had the sense to continue
chrome bumpers to the end of production.

The original Mini retained chrome bumpers in the UK until the end of
production in 2000!

Richard

From a_flying_scotsman at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  7 06:36:28 2008
From: a_flying_scotsman at yahoo.com (Alex Cherington)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Mk3 Spitfire Pinion Oil Seal
Message-ID: <759811.62967.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

HI,

I seem to have a leak fron my rear axle pinion oil seal.

Just wondering how easy it is to replace????

Thanks


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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Jul  7 16:17:50 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:17:50 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Empty Trailer or Car Dolly Available Phoenix to Ann Arbor,
 Michigan Week of July 14th.
Message-ID: <4872960E.9070909@charter.net>

I'm moving my daughter from Michigan to Phoenix next week towing her car 
either with a tow dolly or on an open car trailer.
I will be empty on the return trip. If anyone wants a car (small) towed 
back to Michigan from out west please contact me ASAP.
Or if anyone would like to donate (or sell cheap) a nice rust free LBC 
to me I will give it a good home back in Michigan.
Cost would be gas expense on return trip (negotiable).

Please advise if you are interested
Thanks
Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer project three TR6's, TR250 and a Spit

From machinemd at msn.com  Tue Jul  8 09:17:20 2008
From: machinemd at msn.com (STEVE STERN)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:17:20 -0400
Subject: [Spits] TRIUMPH SPITFIRE STEEL HDTOP
Message-ID: <BAY110-F37C1F605FD01BF83FF2271A9970@phx.gbl>

   If anybody is interested. NFI - found in local for sale mag

   TRIUMPH SPITFIRE STEEL HDTOP 
   Pop-out   rear   windows.   Gd  orig  cond.  $250;  (Harrisville,  RI)
   401-499-6230
   Steve  

From maya2blue at juno.com  Tue Jul  8 17:54:55 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:54:55 -0500
Subject: [Spits] chassis number with "L" suffix
Message-ID: <20080708.185455.3740.1.maya2blue@juno.com>

Greetings all

I am trying to find out about chassis number KC51002L on what is supposed
to be a GT-6+ (the same I think as a MK II)

Can anyone help me with this number?

I believe that the KC51002 is a Mark II built from 7/68 to 9/69 - 

I have no idea what the "L" stands for!

Tks for any help.

Harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
____________________________________________________________
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From cwn74 at aol.com  Tue Jul  8 18:14:54 2008
From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:14:54 -0400
Subject: [Spits] 2 TR-6's for sale, Western MAssachusetts, S.VT
Message-ID: <00a301c8e158$d25b9c90$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Don't email me with questions! These are in the local penny saver:
-=-=-=-
1972 TR6 53,000 miles. Runs excellent. Very original. New shocks, springs,
ignition. All hoses replaced, seals and gaskets in motor. extras. Appraised
$11,000 413-684-2449 Dalton MA
-=-=-=-
1974 TR6, maple convertible, tan top, newer interior, runs and looks great,
no rust, 91k, classic British roadster, $6900. Wallingford VT 802-446-2267
-=-=-=-
Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
"Reality... It's not what you think."

From maya2blue at juno.com  Tue Jul  8 19:45:03 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:45:03 -0500
Subject: [Spits] "L" suffix resolved!!
Message-ID: <20080708.204503.3740.8.maya2blue@juno.com>

Many tks to all that offered the exact same info - "L" means left hand
drive!!

harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
____________________________________________________________
Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oFe2Ou0l2lVMoNJjVgK4RsSw4or1Tny0gDSheLpUJXK59X6/

From red_tr250 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 20:18:28 2008
From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:18:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Burping a GT6
In-Reply-To: <g538vu+doi7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <977841.45243.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

Our GT6 is running hot...or at least I think it is?  I
swapped out the thermostat & that didn't seem to make
any difference, but there was a ton of crap in the
pump housing....I hope I've now expelled it all.  I
also swapped the NEW sending unit(at least it looked
new)...I installed an old one.  It seems to read
cooler now...maybe about 3/4 when driving.  

I seem to recall someone mentioning something about
making sure all the air is out, but I don't recall
what or how?

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Todd Bermudez
'68 GT6 Mk1 RHD(mk2 engine)
Cincy, OH

From a_flying_scotsman at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 12:13:16 2008
From: a_flying_scotsman at yahoo.com (Alex Cherington)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:13:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Mk3 Pinion Seal
Message-ID: <920582.8307.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well I checked my manual and it seemed pretty straightforward in fact it all
came apart OK.

I can't see how I can replace the seal as it obviously has to be pushed in
squarely. Has anybody done this with the diff still in the car????

It is turning into one of those jobs I wish I had never started.




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From doug at dougbraun.com  Thu Jul 10 21:14:27 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Burping a GT6
In-Reply-To: <977841.45243.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <355292.49333.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If the coolant-recovery system is working properly,
all the air should be expelled after a few
cold-hot-cold cycles.

When you remove the radiator cap when the car is cold,
there should be NO air under it-- the coolant should
be all the way up to the bottom of the cap.  If it's
not, it could be because the cap is defective, the
sealing surfaces on the radiator filler neck are
damaged, or the hose to the recovery tank is cracked. 
(Or it could be due to a slightly blown head
gasket...)  If the hose is clear vinyl, it should be
visibly full of coolant when the car is cold.

Note that the radiator cap has THREE rubber sealing
surfaces, and they all have to seal.

Let me smugly say that my Spit's coolant recovery
system has worked perfectly for years, and it never
overheats.  It even has the original radiator.  (Of
course, a GT6 has a bigger engine and a smaller
radiator so it's cooling system needs to be in good
shape.)

Doug Braun
'72 Spit


--- Todd Bermudez <red_tr250 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Our GT6 is running hot...or at least I think it is? 
> I
> swapped out the thermostat & that didn't seem to
> make
> any difference, but there was a ton of crap in the
> pump housing....I hope I've now expelled it all.  I
> also swapped the NEW sending unit(at least it looked
> new)...I installed an old one.  It seems to read
> cooler now...maybe about 3/4 when driving.  
> 
> I seem to recall someone mentioning something about
> making sure all the air is out, but I don't recall
> what or how?
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Todd Bermudez
> '68 GT6 Mk1 RHD(mk2 engine)
> Cincy, OH
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From todjones at comcast.net  Fri Jul 11 02:31:19 2008
From: todjones at comcast.net (Tod Jones)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:31:19 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Mk3 Pinion Seal
References: <920582.8307.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c8e330$7e896cd0$6401a8c0@tod>

They make a hooked tool to remove the old seal. It is available at any 
automotive store. to put the new seal in gently tap in a new one with a 
hammer working around the seal to seat it evenly.

Tod Jones
67 Spit-6
Harrisonburg VA.



> Well I checked my manual and it seemed pretty straightforward in fact it 
> all
> came apart OK.
>
> I can't see how I can replace the seal as it obviously has to be pushed in
> squarely. Has anybody done this with the diff still in the car????

From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com  Fri Jul 11 06:26:18 2008
From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:26:18 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire 1500 gas mileage
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1215712800.26134.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFD550D09F.48C05F89-ON85257483.0043B7AE-85257483.004454C4@exxonmobil.com>

When I drove my Spitfire 1500 back from Jenkins Kentucky, to Halifax, Nova
Scotia, with the original single Stromberg, I averaged 38 mpg on regular
gas and usually driving around 55.  Now, with twin HS4s I get around 32 mpg
on the highway.  My car does have overdrive.

Mark
80 Spitfire 1500
Corunna, ON



From: "fmags" <fmags at cox.net>
Subject: [TR] Spitfire 1500 gas mileage

Anybody know the gas mileage of a Spitfire 1500?  Considering getting an
average condition one to go back and forth to work in; has to get better
mileage than my truck or the Stag :).

Thanks,
Frank

From doug at dougbraun.com  Fri Jul 11 06:43:04 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire Mk3 Pinion Seal
In-Reply-To: <000601c8e330$7e896cd0$6401a8c0@tod>
Message-ID: <409594.73506.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To get a cheap seal installation tool, go to Home
Depot, etc., and look for a short piece of PVC pipe
or a PVC pipe fitting of the correct diameter.

Doug Braun
'76 Spit

> > I can't see how I can replace the seal as it
> obviously has to be pushed in
> > squarely. Has anybody done this with the diff
> still in the car????
> _______________________________________________

From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com  Fri Jul 11 12:04:04 2008
From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:04:04 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire 1500 gas mileage
Message-ID: <OF035AB808.AB2A16FB-ON85257483.00632EAB-85257483.00634113@exxonmobil.com>

When I drove my Spitfire 1500 back from Jenkins Kentucky, to Halifax, Nova
Scotia, with the original single Stromberg, I averaged 38 mpg on regular
gas and usually driving around 55.  Now, with twin HS4s I get around 32 mpg
on the highway.  My car does have overdrive.

Mark
80 Spitfire 1500
Corunna, ON



From: "fmags" <fmags at cox.net>
Subject: [TR] Spitfire 1500 gas mileage

Anybody know the gas mileage of a Spitfire 1500?  Considering getting an
average condition one to go back and forth to work in; has to get better
mileage than my truck or the Stag :).

Thanks,
Frank

From mkcaspian1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 11 17:14:26 2008
From: mkcaspian1 at aol.com (mkcaspian1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:14:26 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire gas milage
Message-ID: <8CAB1C2FF6BCAC7-9E4-3014@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>

We have a 78 Spitfire without overdrive - it gets 30 mpg, and has consistently for the last 8 years.? Maybe 34 hyway, and 28 city.
John 
1978 Spitfire

From cyrille at hp.com  Fri Jul 11 19:50:33 2008
From: cyrille at hp.com (de Brebisson, Cyrille (Calculator Division))
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:50:33 +0000
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire gas milage
In-Reply-To: <8CAB1C2FF6BCAC7-9E4-3014@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAB1C2FF6BCAC7-9E4-3014@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <128F995FF4B7C641826217B3E6E7B226B1541CC613@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Hello,

I have a midget with the same 1500 cc engine, and I get 37mpg put-putting
downtown with only short rides of 3~8 miles (ie: just time for the engine to
warm up). I get 45 and more on the freeway at 55mph... I have 4 speeds, no
overdrive.

cyrille


-----Original Message-----
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mkcaspian1 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:14 PM
To: spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire gas milage

We have a 78 Spitfire without overdrive - it gets 30 mpg, and has consistently
for the last 8 years.? Maybe 34 hyway, and 28 city.
John
1978 Spitfire
Spitfires at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires

http://www.team.net/archive

From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 14 11:52:39 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:52:39 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire build quantity
Message-ID: <0a2501c8e5de$a662c390$0201a8c0@Bevan>

In a recent VTR e-zine, the following statement was made about the Spitfire.

'Long looked upon as the "entry level" Triumph, the Spitfire has been popular for a many years. Its
popularity and affordability made it the longest running Triumph production (1962-1980) and the
largest production numbers (314,332) of any Triumph produced. '

I don't know who wrote this but that person's info is more than misleading. The Spitfire was by no 
means the largest produced in terms of absolute production numbers at 314,332 units.of which US take 
was 139719 units - or 44%
The most-produced car by Standard Triumph post-war was the Herald at 626329 units. The US offtake 
for Herald was 23656 units - or 3.8%
My information source was work I undertook at BMIHT Gaydon some years ago in which Michael Cook's 
book "Triumph Across America" was very helpful in apportioning US content.

Jonmac

Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009
www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation 

From bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk  Mon Jul 14 14:44:12 2008
From: bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk (Bill Davies)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:44:12 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire build quantity
In-Reply-To: <0a2501c8e5de$a662c390$0201a8c0@Bevan>
Message-ID: <20080714203338.AF703187649@autox.team.net>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of John Macartney
> 
> The most-produced car by Standard Triumph post-war was the Herald at
> 626329 units. 

Mike Costigan quotes a figure of 548,291 for total production of all Herald
types. Adding in his Vitesse figure of 51,230 still falls short at 599,521.
Considerably more than the Spitfires whichever figure is closer to the
truth!
Cheers,
Bill.

From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 14 15:21:30 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:21:30 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire build quantity
Message-ID: <000d01c8e5f7$965bcaa0$0201a8c0@Bevan>

Hi, Bill

My figures came off the build records held at Gaydon and these were also cross-referred against SMMT 
shipping data out of the factory gates. With due respect to Mike Costigan, I'd say that he and I are 
probably both wrong because the actual numbers of (perhaps) any car built by S-T post-war is an 
understatement. No-one now knows how many cars were built in CKD and SKD form for assembly at the 11 
overseas assembly plants. These figures were lost when the factory was demolished and the SMMT 
Archivist has told me the Society no longer has records of that type going back that far.
Ergo, all the numbers I have managed to cull are only for fully B/U (built-up) cars made entirely in 
Coventry, Liverpool, Solihull and Cowley.

Cheers, John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Davies" <bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk>
To: "'John Macartney'" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>; <spitfires at autox.team.net>; 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Spits] Spitfire build quantity


>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of John Macartney
>>
>> The most-produced car by Standard Triumph post-war was the Herald at
>> 626329 units.
>
> Mike Costigan quotes a figure of 548,291 for total production of all Herald
> types. Adding in his Vitesse figure of 51,230 still falls short at 599,521.
> Considerably more than the Spitfires whichever figure is closer to the
> truth!
> Cheers,
> Bill.

From parrotthead01 at comcast.net  Mon Jul 14 16:17:29 2008
From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel Parrott)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:17:29 -0400
Subject: [Spits] FW:  Spitfire build quantity
Message-ID: <000001c8e5ff$68534d10$38f9e730$@net>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Parrott [mailto:parrotthead01 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:42 PM
To: 'John Macartney'
Subject: RE: [Spits] Spitfire build quantity

With the cover article on the August 2008 "Hemmings Sports and Exotics"
magazine on the "100,000 MGA," I wonder where just where the 100,000th
Spitfire is in the USA? In the world?

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:53 PM
To: spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire build quantity

In a recent VTR e-zine, the following statement was made about the Spitfire.

'Long looked upon as the "entry level" Triumph, the Spitfire has been
popular for a many years. Its
popularity and affordability made it the longest running Triumph production
(1962-1980) and the
largest production numbers (314,332) of any Triumph produced. '

I don't know who wrote this but that person's info is more than misleading.
The Spitfire was by no 
means the largest produced in terms of absolute production numbers at
314,332 units.of which US take 
was 139719 units - or 44%
The most-produced car by Standard Triumph post-war was the Herald at 626329
units. The US offtake 
for Herald was 23656 units - or 3.8%
My information source was work I undertook at BMIHT Gaydon some years ago in
which Michael Cook's 
book "Triumph Across America" was very helpful in apportioning US content.

Jonmac

Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009
www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation 
Spitfires at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires

http://www.team.net/archive

From bdischer at blakedischer.com  Mon Jul 14 17:00:27 2008
From: bdischer at blakedischer.com (Blake Discher)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:00:27 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Mea Culpa: Spitfire build quantity
In-Reply-To: <0a2501c8e5de$a662c390$0201a8c0@Bevan>
References: <0a2501c8e5de$a662c390$0201a8c0@Bevan>
Message-ID: <62D0C010-F823-4EB0-9C5A-8505935E0BF8@blakedischer.com>

Hello everyone,

I'll take responsibility for the mis-statement of Spitfire production  
numbers as John has pointed out.  It was written by a volunteer for  
the North American Triumph Challenge next month to hype the Spitfire  
rebuild.  The guy lives and breathes Spitfires.  But in the end, it's  
my fault as I edit and assemble the monthly (almost) VTR eUpdate. I  
need a fact checker!  From now on it's gonna be Mr. Macartney!   :)

Thanks for noticing John, at least I know you're reading it!
________________________
Blake J. Discher, President
Vintage Triumph Register
http://www.vtr.org
1363 East Fisher Freeway, Suite 8, Detroit, MI 48207 | Phone  
313.259.4460



On Jul 14, 2008, at 1:52 PM, John Macartney wrote:

> In a recent VTR e-zine, the following statement was made about the  
> Spitfire.
>
> 'Long looked upon as the "entry level" Triumph, the Spitfire has  
> been popular for a many years. Its
> popularity and affordability made it the longest running Triumph  
> production (1962-1980) and the
> largest production numbers (314,332) of any Triumph produced. '
>
> I don't know who wrote this but that person's info is more than  
> misleading.

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul 14 17:09:32 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:09:32 -0700
Subject: [Spits] FW:  Spitfire build quantity
In-Reply-To: <000001c8e5ff$68534d10$38f9e730$@net>
References: <000001c8e5ff$68534d10$38f9e730$@net>
Message-ID: <000001c8e606$acf4b650$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

The first obstacle in trying to find the location of the 100,000th Spitfire
is to determine the actual commission number of the 100,000th vehicle.

As John explained, there is not much concrete documentation of all the Spits
that were produced since little remains of build records of all the units
produced in other countries from knocked down kits.

Since the BMIHT archives do not even have 100 percent verification on the
last commission number of certain year models, any such information would be
speculation at best.

We do know where the final car off the assembly line is, but there are even
people who suggest even that is not 100 percent verified.  I had one person
send me his commission number swearing that it was the last one built based
on some note scribbled inside one of is door panels when it came down the
assembly line.

I guess we just have to be satisfied that we have one or more of these
little beauties and let it go at that.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Daniel Parrott
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:17 PM
To: Spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] FW: Spitfire build quantity

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Parrott [mailto:parrotthead01 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:42 PM
To: 'John Macartney'
Subject: RE: [Spits] Spitfire build quantity

With the cover article on the August 2008 "Hemmings Sports and Exotics"
magazine on the "100,000 MGA," I wonder where just where the 100,000th
Spitfire is in the USA? In the world?

From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com  Tue Jul 15 13:23:51 2008
From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Mea Culpa: Spitfire build quantity
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1216144802.30834.spitfires@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF90468067.C6B8AC53-ON85257487.00670B12-85257487.006A9000@exxonmobil.com>

This really is an easily excusable mistake. If he would have said Triumph
Sportscar then his statement would have been correct.

Mark
80 Spitfire 1500

From: Blake Discher <bdischer at blakedischer.com>
Subject: [Spits] Mea Culpa: Spitfire build quantity

Hello everyone,

I'll take responsibility for the mis-statement of Spitfire production
numbers as John has pointed out.  It was written by a volunteer for the
North American Triumph Challenge next month to hype the Spitfire rebuild.
The guy lives and breathes Spitfires.  But in the end, it's my fault as I
edit and assemble the monthly (almost) VTR eUpdate. I need a fact checker!
>From now on it's gonna be Mr. Macartney!   :)

Thanks for noticing John, at least I know you're reading it!
________________________
Blake J. Discher, President

From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 16 17:17:30 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:17:30 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Jonmac's proposed trip to Watkins Glen - Sept 2008
Message-ID: <018c01c8e79a$1f8e52e0$0201a8c0@Bevan>

Listers,

Sorry to enter the fray with an essentially travel-related query - but it does have a strong Triumph 
flavour.

Subject to health issues at home affecting close relatives, I'm planning on making it to Watkins 
Glen in early September this year for "the Big Bash.". I did put out a request to the FoT list and 
while I got a few replies, they weren't enough to enable me to make specific decisions. So, my 
thoughts are as follows:

1. It looks like New York is the nearest international airport for inbound flights from the UK, with 
JFK being the most popular airport. Does anyone know of an *international* airport closer to the 
Glen?
2. Is anyone in the New York area going to the Glen with whom I could beg a ride from NY? I'm more 
than happy to make meaningful contributions to fuel and meet all my subsistence costs.
3. Failing 2 above, I have plenty of experience of 'driving on the wrong side of the road' (i.e. in 
LH steer cars) and will rent a car. Any suggestions on airport car rental organisations who don't 
build the NATO defence budget into their rates? I'd be happy with something small like a VW 
Golf/Rabbit (diesel preferred) and I might even *lower* myself to taking the wheel of a Ford.

Thoughts ladies and gentlemen? An enquiring mind wishes to know :)

Jonmac


Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009
www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation 

From cwn74 at aol.com  Wed Jul 16 18:18:36 2008
From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Jonmac's proposed trip to Watkins Glen - Sept 2008
In-Reply-To: <018c01c8e79a$1f8e52e0$0201a8c0@Bevan>
References: <018c01c8e79a$1f8e52e0$0201a8c0@Bevan>
Message-ID: <005a01c8e7a2$a85af2b0$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Hi John!

When do you want to arrive/depart?
My MGTD driver and car will leave Lake Ronkonkoma, Long Island, on Wednesday
Sept 3 and return Sunday afternoon.

I leave western Massachusetts same schedule, close to Albany NY airport on
the way.

Another possibility is:
Henry Frye lives near Bradley IAP, Hartford CT... 

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
'72 Stag '74 Spitfire
"Reality... It's not what you think."

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John
Macartney
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:18 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; 6-Pack
Subject: [Spits] Jonmac's proposed trip to Watkins Glen - Sept 2008

Listers,

Sorry to enter the fray with an essentially travel-related query - but it
does have a strong Triumph flavour.

Subject to health issues at home affecting close relatives, I'm planning on
making it to Watkins Glen in early September this year for "the Big Bash.".
I did put out a request to the FoT list and while I got a few replies, they
weren't enough to enable me to make specific decisions. So, my thoughts are
as follows:

1. It looks like New York is the nearest international airport for inbound
flights from the UK, with JFK being the most popular airport. Does anyone
know of an *international* airport closer to the Glen?
2. Is anyone in the New York area going to the Glen with whom I could beg a
ride from NY? I'm more than happy to make meaningful contributions to fuel
and meet all my subsistence costs.
3. Failing 2 above, I have plenty of experience of 'driving on the wrong
side of the road' (i.e. in LH steer cars) and will rent a car. Any
suggestions on airport car rental organisations who don't build the NATO
defence budget into their rates? I'd be happy with something small like a VW
Golf/Rabbit (diesel preferred) and I might even *lower* myself to taking the
wheel of a Ford.

Thoughts ladies and gentlemen? An enquiring mind wishes to know :)

Jonmac


Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009
www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation
Spitfires at autox.team.net
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From maya2blue at juno.com  Thu Jul 17 08:50:16 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:50:16 -0500
Subject: [Spits] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire
Message-ID: <20080717.095016.5052.0.maya2blue@juno.com>

Greetings....

I have a very noisy alternator in my 1978 Spitfire. Almost a "klanging"
sort of noise!  The "noise" seems to increase as RPM's increase.

Heard the noise and have isolated it (by hand and ear) to the alternator.

The belt is adjusted properly.

All bolts are tight.

Any ideas?

Many tks all suggestions!

Harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From maya2blue at juno.com  Thu Jul 17 09:03:48 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:03:48 -0500
Subject: [Spits] flotec "sandwich" oil cooler adapter
Message-ID: <20080717.100348.5052.4.maya2blue@juno.com>

Greetings...

I have a new unused (in a sealed package) Flotec adaper to be used to
attach an oil cooler to a 62-80 Spitfire. 

See VB p. 68, item 17-22 What I have is everything shown, except the
hoses.

I do not have the hoses or the cooler.

Somewhere, someone wants this for $20 plus s/h before it hits eBay this
weekend.

Tks all

Harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 17 09:08:19 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire
References: <20080717.095016.5052.0.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001701c8e81e$f3140ea0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

My suggestionis to do the Bosche conversion.  It is both electronically and
mechanically a direct swap.  The only thing that might be different is a
different size belt.

It is for a 78-80 Ford Fiesta.

Not only will it cure the noise but it will generate a full 55 amps to power
any sort of accessories that you choose to install.

Joe
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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire


> Greetings....
>
> I have a very noisy alternator in my 1978 Spitfire. Almost a "klanging"
> sort of noise!  The "noise" seems to increase as RPM's increase.
>
> Heard the noise and have isolated it (by hand and ear) to the alternator.
>
> The belt is adjusted properly.
>
> All bolts are tight.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Many tks all suggestions!
>
> Harve
>
>
> Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
> 531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
> Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
> 72701 USA
> 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From red_tr250 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 11:34:07 2008
From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:34:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Spin On adapter
Message-ID: <335964.15017.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Has anyone ever taken the "non-drilled" spin-on
adapters & drilled them for oil lines?  I have a
spin-on adapter(non-drilled) for 6 cylinder
applications.  I'd like to install the adapter and
drill it for an oil cooler if possible.  It would go
on our GT6 which is running pretty warm...even with a
pusher fan installed.  

Cheers,

Todd Bermudez
'68 GT6 Mk1 RHD Overdrive
Cincinnati, OH

From paulfmeyer at msn.com  Thu Jul 17 13:07:02 2008
From: paulfmeyer at msn.com (Paul Meyer)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:07:02 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Spin On adapter
In-Reply-To: <335964.15017.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <335964.15017.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W525FAE64266972F17290DDCD8E0@phx.gbl>

Todd, I put a lower temp thermostat in my Spitfire, and that seemed to solve
my "running hot" issues.
Paul F. Meyer Home Phone: 781-551-8574 Cell Phone: 781-801-3170 e-mail:
paulfmeyer at msn.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:34:07 -0700> From:
red_tr250 at yahoo.com> To: 6pack at autox.team.net; nass at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net> Subject: [Spits] Spin On adapter> > Hi,> > Has
anyone ever taken the "non-drilled" spin-on> adapters & drilled them for oil
lines? I have a> spin-on adapter(non-drilled) for 6 cylinder> applications.
I'd like to install the adapter and> drill it for an oil cooler if possible.
It would go> on our GT6 which is running pretty warm...even with a> pusher fan
installed. > > Cheers,> > Todd Bermudez> '68 GT6 Mk1 RHD Overdrive>
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From maya2blue at juno.com  Thu Jul 17 17:43:44 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:43:44 -0500
Subject: [Spits] flotec adapter
Message-ID: <20080717.184344.5416.2.maya2blue@juno.com>

The flotec adapter has been taken. 

Tks to the seven of you who responded offered to buy it!

Harve

Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 17 17:51:37 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Spits] flotec adapter
In-Reply-To: <20080717.184344.5416.2.maya2blue@juno.com>
References: <20080717.184344.5416.2.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8e868$0d4556f0$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

If anyone needs another one, I have one myself that is collecting dust.  I
broke the heat exchanger and put it away thinking I might need it and now it
is obvious that I do not.  

If you are interested, make an offer.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
maya2blue at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:44 PM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] flotec adapter

The flotec adapter has been taken. 

Tks to the seven of you who responded offered to buy it!

Harve

Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From dlachance at hemmings.com  Thu Jul 17 18:28:53 2008
From: dlachance at hemmings.com (David LaChance)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:28:53 -0400
Subject: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire
References: <20080717.095016.5052.0.maya2blue@juno.com>
	<001701c8e81e$f3140ea0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <03F9EBBBEEE1224F813E61CDA169C0360A6A9C@ENTXCHBE01A.amcity.com>

Harve, I had this noise in my Spitfire -- it was the composite fan/pulley,
rubbing against the alternator housing. If you have one of these composite
pulleys, check the back of the alternator fan blades to see if they've been
ground down at all. Mine had become off-kilter because it had cracked; shortly
after I discovered the problem, it self-destructed in spectacular fashion,
depriving me of not only an alternator, but a coolant pump too. The cure was a
new alternator with a metal fan/pulley assembly.

Dave LaChance

________________________________

From: spitfires-bounces+dlachance=hemmings.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Joe
Curry
Sent: Thu 7/17/2008 11:08 AM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net;
SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com; spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; triumphs at autox.team.net;
maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire



My suggestionis to do the Bosche conversion.  It is both electronically and
mechanically a direct swap.  The only thing that might be different is a
different size belt.

It is for a 78-80 Ford Fiesta.

Not only will it cure the noise but it will generate a full 55 amps to power
any sort of accessories that you choose to install.

Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: <maya2blue at juno.com>
To: <nass at yahoogroups.com>; <NASS-club at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfires at autox.team.net>; <SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>;
<Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire


> Greetings....
>
> I have a very noisy alternator in my 1978 Spitfire. Almost a "klanging"
> sort of noise!  The "noise" seems to increase as RPM's increase.
>
> Heard the noise and have isolated it (by hand and ear) to the alternator.
>
> The belt is adjusted properly.
>
> All bolts are tight.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Many tks all suggestions!
>
> Harve
>
>
> Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
> 531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
> Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
> 72701 USA
> 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
> ____________________________________________________________
> Free quote and debt consolidation information.  Click Here.
>
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From bill at gingerich.us  Thu Jul 17 22:53:28 2008
From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire
In-Reply-To: <001701c8e81e$f3140ea0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
References: <20080717.095016.5052.0.maya2blue@juno.com>
	<001701c8e81e$f3140ea0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <9143FF2A3DEF481CBC892155D7F2EC89@shack2>

It's also a good idea to run a larger "charge" wire from alternator to
solenoid to handle the higher output current.

BillG
Newalla, OK


-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Curry
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:08 AM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net; maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

My suggestionis to do the Bosche conversion.  It is both electronically and
mechanically a direct swap.  The only thing that might be different is a
different size belt.

It is for a 78-80 Ford Fiesta.

Not only will it cure the noise but it will generate a full 55 amps to power
any sort of accessories that you choose to install.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <maya2blue at juno.com>
To: <nass at yahoogroups.com>; <NASS-club at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfires at autox.team.net>; <SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>;
<Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire


> Greetings....
>
> I have a very noisy alternator in my 1978 Spitfire. Almost a "klanging"
> sort of noise!  The "noise" seems to increase as RPM's increase.
>
> Heard the noise and have isolated it (by hand and ear) to the alternator.
>
> The belt is adjusted properly.
>
> All bolts are tight.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Many tks all suggestions!
>
> Harve
>
>
> Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
> 531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
> Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
> 72701 USA
> 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 17 22:57:34 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:57:34 -0700
Subject: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire
In-Reply-To: <9143FF2A3DEF481CBC892155D7F2EC89@shack2>
References: <20080717.095016.5052.0.maya2blue@juno.com>
	<001701c8e81e$f3140ea0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
	<9143FF2A3DEF481CBC892155D7F2EC89@shack2>
Message-ID: <001401c8e892$cb0c7680$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

I suppose you are correct, but since mine is on a Mk1 using that very large
wire that previously powered the generator, it was not necessary.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gingerich [mailto:bill at gingerich.us] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:53 PM
To: 'Joe Curry'; nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net; maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

It's also a good idea to run a larger "charge" wire from alternator to
solenoid to handle the higher output current.

BillG
Newalla, OK


-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Curry
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:08 AM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net; maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

My suggestionis to do the Bosche conversion.  It is both electronically and
mechanically a direct swap.  The only thing that might be different is a
different size belt.

It is for a 78-80 Ford Fiesta.

Not only will it cure the noise but it will generate a full 55 amps to power
any sort of accessories that you choose to install.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <maya2blue at juno.com>
To: <nass at yahoogroups.com>; <NASS-club at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfires at autox.team.net>; <SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>;
<Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire


> Greetings....
>
> I have a very noisy alternator in my 1978 Spitfire. Almost a "klanging"
> sort of noise!  The "noise" seems to increase as RPM's increase.
>
> Heard the noise and have isolated it (by hand and ear) to the alternator.
>
> The belt is adjusted properly.
>
> All bolts are tight.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Many tks all suggestions!
>
> Harve
>
>
> Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
> 531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
> Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
> 72701 USA
> 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg

From bill at gingerich.us  Thu Jul 17 23:11:10 2008
From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:11:10 -0500
Subject: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire
In-Reply-To: <001401c8e892$cb0c7680$0202a8c0@newcomputer>
References: <20080717.095016.5052.0.maya2blue@juno.com>
	<001701c8e81e$f3140ea0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
	<9143FF2A3DEF481CBC892155D7F2EC89@shack2>
	<001401c8e892$cb0c7680$0202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <7BC2D1697D614C5EA12CC149535F4FC3@shack2>

Joe,

Valid point.  My experience with the MkI is rather limited.  I was not aware
they used a larger wire with the generator.  I was thinking more of the
later cars.

Bill



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:58 PM
To: 'Bill Gingerich'; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net;
maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

I suppose you are correct, but since mine is on a Mk1 using that very large
wire that previously powered the generator, it was not necessary.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gingerich [mailto:bill at gingerich.us] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:53 PM
To: 'Joe Curry'; nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net; maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

It's also a good idea to run a larger "charge" wire from alternator to
solenoid to handle the higher output current.

BillG
Newalla, OK


-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Curry
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:08 AM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net; maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

My suggestionis to do the Bosche conversion.  It is both electronically and
mechanically a direct swap.  The only thing that might be different is a
different size belt.

It is for a 78-80 Ford Fiesta.

Not only will it cure the noise but it will generate a full 55 amps to power
any sort of accessories that you choose to install.

Joe

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 17 23:17:51 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:17:51 -0700
Subject: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire
In-Reply-To: <7BC2D1697D614C5EA12CC149535F4FC3@shack2>
References: <20080717.095016.5052.0.maya2blue@juno.com>
	<001701c8e81e$f3140ea0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
	<9143FF2A3DEF481CBC892155D7F2EC89@shack2>
	<001401c8e892$cb0c7680$0202a8c0@newcomputer>
	<7BC2D1697D614C5EA12CC149535F4FC3@shack2>
Message-ID: <001501c8e895$a049a050$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

Yeah, my car was first converted to a Lucas alternator and after I kept
adding electrical stuff, I finally over-drove the capabilities of that wimpy
Lucas unit.  The Bosche was the cat's meow!

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gingerich [mailto:bill at gingerich.us] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:11 PM
To: 'Joe Curry'; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net;
maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

Joe,

Valid point.  My experience with the MkI is rather limited.  I was not aware
they used a larger wire with the generator.  I was thinking more of the
later cars.

Bill



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:58 PM
To: 'Bill Gingerich'; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net;
maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

I suppose you are correct, but since mine is on a Mk1 using that very large
wire that previously powered the generator, it was not necessary.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gingerich [mailto:bill at gingerich.us] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:53 PM
To: 'Joe Curry'; nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net; maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

It's also a good idea to run a larger "charge" wire from alternator to
solenoid to handle the higher output current.

BillG
Newalla, OK


-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Curry
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:08 AM
To: nass at yahoogroups.com; NASS-club at yahoogroups.com;
spitfires at autox.team.net; SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com;
triumphs at autox.team.net; maya2blue at juno.com
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] noisy (?) alternator '78 spitfire

My suggestionis to do the Bosche conversion.  It is both electronically and
mechanically a direct swap.  The only thing that might be different is a
different size belt.

It is for a 78-80 Ford Fiesta.

Not only will it cure the noise but it will generate a full 55 amps to power
any sort of accessories that you choose to install.

Joe

From maya2blue at juno.com  Fri Jul 18 12:06:03 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:06:03 -0500
Subject: [Spits] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
Message-ID: <20080718.130603.5976.1.maya2blue@juno.com>

Many tks to all that offered suggestions. It turns out that the thing is
kaput! 

So I will be doing a replacement - GM or Bosche or ??

Again, tks to all for your help..

Harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
____________________________________________________________
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From opposumking at verizon.net  Fri Jul 18 12:33:11 2008
From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:33:11 -0400
Subject: [Spits] >>NASS  bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
References: <20080718.130603.5976.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001301c8e904$c63f7e50$230bfea9@mde.state.md.us>

I would go Bosche or Denso myself.  I've done the GM conversion before, it
doesn't look very good, imo.  The unit is very large hanging off the tiny
Spitfire engine.



  ----- Original Message -----
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triumphs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:06 PM
  Subject: >>NASS bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!


  Many tks to all that offered suggestions. It turns out that the thing is
  kaput!

  So I will be doing a replacement - GM or Bosche or ??

  Again, tks to all for your help..

  Harve

  Harve Thorn (NASS #79)
  531 Amen Corner ('78 1500 Spitfire)
  Fayetteville, AR (looking for a "nice" GT6)
  72701 USA
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Fri Jul 18 12:55:29 2008
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:55:29 -0400
Subject: [Spits] >>NASS  bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
In-Reply-To: <20080718.130603.5976.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
References: <20080718.130603.5976.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <8CAB71EFB497D07-E08-D30@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: maya2blue at juno.com

Many tks to all that offered suggestions. It turns out that the thing is
kaput!

So I will be doing a replacement - GM or Bosche or ??

==AM==
...or Lucas? Nothing inherently bad about the OE type other than 
capacity if you've added lots of electron-gobbling items to the car. 
And they're readily available.

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jul 18 13:26:07 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:26:07 -0700
Subject: [Spits] [TR] >>NASS  bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
References: <20080718.130603.5976.1.maya2blue@juno.com>
	<8CAB71EFB497D07-E08-D30@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <007301c8e90c$21140a60$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

That was the very reason I upgraded to the Bosche.  With the Halogen
Headlamps, Electric Fuel Pump, Stereo system and finally the Electronic
Ingition/ Fuel injection, there was just too few amps coming from the wimpy
Lucas unit to keep up with the demand.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>
To: <nass at yahoogroups.com>; <NASS-club at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfires at autox.team.net>; <SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>;
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Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] >>NASS bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: maya2blue at juno.com
>
> Many tks to all that offered suggestions. It turns out that the thing is
> kaput!
>
> So I will be doing a replacement - GM or Bosche or ??
>
> ==AM==
> ...or Lucas? Nothing inherently bad about the OE type other than
> capacity if you've added lots of electron-gobbling items to the car.
> And they're readily available.
>
> --Andy Mace
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jul 18 15:48:30 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:48:30 -0700
Subject: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
References: <29166967.1074471216416571568.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <011301c8e920$0512c2c0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

The "Higher Output Lucas" being defined as What?

That would have been myfirst preference if there was such an item.
Unfortunately the highest output one Icould find was something like 25 amps.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <thenicholls at verizon.net>
To: <maya2blue at juno.com>
Cc: <nass at yahoogroups.com>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>;
<NASS-club at yahoogroups.com>; <spitfires at autox.team.net>;
<spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>; <SPIT6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com>;
<Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!


>   I went witht he higher output Lucas myself.  Maybe its just me.
>
> Craig
> 1972 Triumph TR6
>
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at  2:06 PM, maya2blue at juno.com wrote:
>
> > Many tks to all that offered suggestions. It turns out that the thing
> > is
> kaput!
>
> So I will be doing a replacement - GM or Bosche or ??
>
> Again, tks to all for your help..
>
> Harve
>
> Harve ThornB B B B B B B B B  (NASS #79)
> 531 Amen CornerB B  ('78 1500 Spitfire)
> Fayetteville, ARB B B  (looking for a "nice" GT6)
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From maya2blue at juno.com  Sat Jul 19 06:40:33 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:40:33 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Sorry!!!!
Message-ID: <20080719.074034.4288.2.maya2blue@juno.com>

I am very apologetic and sorry to have bomed the ilst(s) with my personal
notes!!!

I thought I was sending a msg directly and off-list.

Again, my apologies!!

Harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 21 04:21:56 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:21:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Spits] YOW! - Worst Triumph Ever!!!
Message-ID: <13451354.1216635716870.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Worst Triumph Ever!!!

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/car/763095341.html

Best,

Rick Feibusch
Venice, CA

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 21 04:34:00 2008
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:00 +0100
Subject: [Spits] YOW! - Worst Triumph Ever!!!
In-Reply-To: <13451354.1216635716870.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <13451354.1216635716870.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9f2527520807210334k45c0997eu7c66469ce1f34c79@mail.gmail.com>

That don't look like no Triumph to me...

Richard

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 21 04:52:28 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:52:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Spits] Fw: Oops!! - YOW! - Worst Triumph Ever!!!
Message-ID: <26054178.1216637548680.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

OOPS!!!!!

Let's try again.......

Worst Triumph Ever!!!

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/car/759355207.html

Cheers,

Rick Feibusch
Venice, CA

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 21 05:22:40 2008
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:22:40 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Fw: Oops!! - YOW! - Worst Triumph Ever!!!
In-Reply-To: <26054178.1216637548680.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <26054178.1216637548680.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9f2527520807210422j5c9de52cpefaa33f67b5c15ef@mail.gmail.com>

What the...????

There's bits of it that seem vaguely remeniscent of a TR4, but I'm not sure
there's enough of it left to call it a legitimate Triumph!

Richard

From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com  Mon Jul 21 06:17:15 2008
From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:17:15 -0400
Subject: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1216490402.23626.spitfires@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF76734F85.4C3B0A72-ON8525748D.00436DCF-8525748D.004386DD@exxonmobil.com>

The Lucas alternator in the TR7 with air was around 60 amps.

Mark

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:48:30 -0700
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
To: <thenicholls at verizon.net>, <maya2blue at juno.com>
Cc: nass at yahoogroups.com, triumphs at autox.team.net,
             spitfires at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <011301c8e920$0512c2c0$2d02a8c0 at Belkin>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

The "Higher Output Lucas" being defined as What?

That would have been myfirst preference if there was such an item.
Unfortunately the highest output one Icould find was something like 25
amps.

Joe

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul 21 08:00:32 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:00:32 -0700
Subject: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
References: <OF76734F85.4C3B0A72-ON8525748D.00436DCF-8525748D.004386DD@exxonmobil.com>
Message-ID: <002601c8eb3a$2446a820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

But is it compatible withthe Spitfire?   I found several higher apm Lucas
alternators that were not.

Joe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mark.jones at exxonmobil.com>
To: <spitfires at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!


> The Lucas alternator in the TR7 with air was around 60 amps.
>
> Mark
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:48:30 -0700
> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
> To: <thenicholls at verizon.net>, <maya2blue at juno.com>
> Cc: nass at yahoogroups.com, triumphs at autox.team.net,
>              spitfires at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <011301c8e920$0512c2c0$2d02a8c0 at Belkin>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The "Higher Output Lucas" being defined as What?
>
> That would have been myfirst preference if there was such an item.
> Unfortunately the highest output one Icould find was something like 25
> amps.
>
> Joe
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From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com  Mon Jul 21 08:26:28 2008
From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Spits] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
In-Reply-To: <002601c8eb3a$2446a820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <OF8BE87160.207E91E2-ON8525748D.004F264A-8525748D.004F5B4D@exxonmobil.com>

I did take a look at the plug a month or so ago and I thought it was the
same as the one on the Spitfire.  I can double check if you are interested.

Mark


                                                                           
             "Joe Curry"                                                   
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             net>                                                       To 
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                                      <mark.jones at exxonmobil.com>          
             07/21/2008                                                 cc 
             10:00 AM                                                      
                                                                   Subject 
                                      Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator -    
                                      was noisy alternator!!               
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




But is it compatible withthe Spitfire?   I found several higher apm Lucas
alternators that were not.

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: <mark.jones at exxonmobil.com>
To: <spitfires at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!


> The Lucas alternator in the TR7 with air was around 60 amps.
>
> Mark
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:48:30 -0700
> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
> To: <thenicholls at verizon.net>, <maya2blue at juno.com>
> Cc: nass at yahoogroups.com, triumphs at autox.team.net,
>              spitfires at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <011301c8e920$0512c2c0$2d02a8c0 at Belkin>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The "Higher Output Lucas" being defined as What?
>
> That would have been myfirst preference if there was such an item.
> Unfortunately the highest output one Icould find was something like 25
> amps.
>
> Joe
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From v6spitfireguy at cox.net  Mon Jul 21 09:54:02 2008
From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:54:02 -0400
Subject: [Spits] TR/Ford steering gaiter Parts interchange
Message-ID: <380-2200871211554227@M2W043.mail2web.com>

Listers,
If your like me, and are constantly on the look out for alternate parts,
just in case the ones for our cars become obsolete, I found another match.
While working on my 40 Ford parts hauler I had noticed a badly deteriorated
drivers side steering gaiter.  This truck has a Mustang II front suspension
(as many street rods do) and I happened to have a TR drivers side one
laying about, and to my surprise it fit!
so for what its worth, I found out that the rubber gaiter for the Ford
mustang II manual rack (either side) is the same dimensionally as the
drivers side Spitfire/TR6 gaiter -

Barry Schwartz
La Mesa, CA

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From opposumking at verizon.net  Tue Jul 22 09:14:48 2008
From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:14:48 -0400
Subject: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
References: <OF76734F85.4C3B0A72-ON8525748D.00436DCF-8525748D.004386DD@exxonmobil.com>
	<002601c8eb3a$2446a820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <001c01c8ec0d$bac8a220$230bfea9@mde.state.md.us>

I've got a TR7 alternator on one of my Spitfires.  No, the wiring connector 
was not directly compatable.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
To: <spitfires at autox.team.net>; <mark.jones at exxonmobil.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!


> But is it compatible withthe Spitfire?   I found several higher apm Lucas
> alternators that were not.
>
> Joe
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mark.jones at exxonmobil.com>
> To: <spitfires at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
>
>
>> The Lucas alternator in the TR7 with air was around 60 amps.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:48:30 -0700
>> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] bad alternator - was noisy alternator!!
>> To: <thenicholls at verizon.net>, <maya2blue at juno.com>
>> Cc: nass at yahoogroups.com, triumphs at autox.team.net,
>>              spitfires at autox.team.net
>> Message-ID: <011301c8e920$0512c2c0$2d02a8c0 at Belkin>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> The "Higher Output Lucas" being defined as What?
>>
>> That would have been myfirst preference if there was such an item.
>> Unfortunately the highest output one Icould find was something like 25
>> amps.
>>
>> Joe
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> Spitfires at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires
>>
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From paulfmeyer at msn.com  Thu Jul 24 09:11:52 2008
From: paulfmeyer at msn.com (Paul Meyer)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:11:52 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Any New England Spitfires going to Day of Triumph this
	Sunday?
Message-ID: <BAY110-W110FCD1215E501C1A32423CD870@phx.gbl>

Our Annual Day of Triumph brought to you by the New England Triumphs will be
on the lawn this Sunday July 27th from 9:30AM-3:00PM. Car registration is $20
or you can register the day of the show. Join us and see some of England's
finest machines on the grounds of the museum. There will be a raffle & awards
along with plenty to see including the museum's latest exhibit. Spectator
admission is only $10 for adults and $5 for Children under 12 so join us this
Sunday for a spectacular event. Please call (617)522-6547 to pre-register or
for further information.Larz Anderson Auto Museum15 Newton StBrookline, MA
02445Phone: 617-522-6547Paul F. Meyer Home Phone: 781-551-8574 Cell Phone:
781-801-3170 e-mail: paulfmeyer at msn.com
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From mike.vasquez at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 16:06:11 2008
From: mike.vasquez at gmail.com (Mike Vasquez)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:06:11 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Assistance with Flagstaff to Phoenix car transport / car
	check
Message-ID: <28f529ba0807241506m57cc2095me2b6f666c9fa797f@mail.gmail.com>

I've got my eye on a early 60's spitfire that's for sale.  If anyone's
willing, interested in the following.  I'm in Gilbert AZ, the car's in
Flagstaff AZ

1) Pre-purchase inspection in Flag (even just a lot of pictures)
2) I have access to a Tahoe to pull it, but no suitable trailer, so if you:
     a) have trailer room on a trip from Flag to Phx
     b) have a "borrowable" trailer for a fee/deposit
     c) have some other economical idea for transport, would love to
hear from you

I'm tentatively scheduled to go see/purchase it on Aug 1st.

Any assistance appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike

From mike.vasquez at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 22:09:48 2008
From: mike.vasquez at gmail.com (Mike Vasquez)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:09:48 -0700
Subject: [Spits] General questions/comparisons: 1962 Mk 1 - 1975 1500
Message-ID: <28f529ba0807242109h78988bd4y140a3b73dbc86858@mail.gmail.com>

I've done a lot of work in the past (1990/91) on a 1975 1500, that I
took apart and put back together as my first "learn about cars"
experiment.  (Sadly, it's now sitting unloved in Prattsville,
Arkansas....)

Now that I'm older (but not wiser) -- I'm looking at a 1962 Mk1 as a
project with my 11 year old son.  We've got 5 years to make it his
car!

So, back then: I ordered everything from either Victoria British or
McLeod's British Cars in Arkansas (plug for Ron McLeod -- great guy).
I'm mainly wondering/requesting...

Tips: Great resources? Where you've found it best to order parts from?
 Good resources?  I'm not sure what's changed in last 18 years since I
had my first Spit.  Except the Internet.  Any good sites?  This list
seems to be the best thing I've found, btw.  Just want to know if I'm
missing anything.

And between the 2 models: what am I in for?  I'm no car expert.  I
learned a lot by doing, all self taught, made mistakes along the way.
I got frustrated with the electrical issues at one point on the '75,
and ended up venting by taking it all apart, body off chassis, so on,
etc.  Then, i cleaned it up and put it back together.  Ron  guided me
by allowing me to bring a part in and giving it a once over, advising
me how the engine looked, what needed rebuilding (lower engine), what
was ok (trans/diff), etc, and I took it from there.  I put it back
together, did some bodywork painted it, and it even ran!

So, I'm not afraid, but for instance, terminology isn't my strong point.

So: between the 2, are there any gotchas, words of wisdom, pitfalls,
big mechanical differences (beyond engine size), etc, that I should
know about?

Haven't gotten it yet, but expect to go pick it up in a week if all
the details get worked.  Getting excited!

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 24 22:58:50 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:58:50 -0700
Subject: [Spits] General questions/comparisons: 1962 Mk 1 - 1975  1500
In-Reply-To: <28f529ba0807242109h78988bd4y140a3b73dbc86858@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f529ba0807242109h78988bd4y140a3b73dbc86858@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c8ee13$21404ab0$0202a8c0@newcomputer>

Sources:

SpitBits
British Parts Northwest
Moss Motors
The Roadster Factory
But Victoria British only as a Last Resort!

I think you are going to like the Mk1.  I doubt it is a 62.  Probably a 63
since very few 62's were shipped to the states.  If you let me know the
commission number, I can say for sure.  You will avoid any emissions laws
because of its age and I personally like the body style much better than the
later square tail models.

There is much less add-on junk on the early cars to complicate the tuning.

Don't forget to register the car in the Spitfire database:

http://members.cox.net/spitlist/

Regards,
Joe Curry  

-----Original Message-----
From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Vasquez
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:10 PM
To: spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] General questions/comparisons: 1962 Mk 1 - 1975 1500

I've done a lot of work in the past (1990/91) on a 1975 1500, that I
took apart and put back together as my first "learn about cars"
experiment.  (Sadly, it's now sitting unloved in Prattsville,
Arkansas....)

Now that I'm older (but not wiser) -- I'm looking at a 1962 Mk1 as a
project with my 11 year old son.  We've got 5 years to make it his
car!

So, back then: I ordered everything from either Victoria British or
McLeod's British Cars in Arkansas (plug for Ron McLeod -- great guy).
I'm mainly wondering/requesting...

Tips: Great resources? Where you've found it best to order parts from?
 Good resources?  I'm not sure what's changed in last 18 years since I
had my first Spit.  Except the Internet.  Any good sites?  This list
seems to be the best thing I've found, btw.  Just want to know if I'm
missing anything.

And between the 2 models: what am I in for?  I'm no car expert.  I
learned a lot by doing, all self taught, made mistakes along the way.
I got frustrated with the electrical issues at one point on the '75,
and ended up venting by taking it all apart, body off chassis, so on,
etc.  Then, i cleaned it up and put it back together.  Ron  guided me
by allowing me to bring a part in and giving it a once over, advising
me how the engine looked, what needed rebuilding (lower engine), what
was ok (trans/diff), etc, and I took it from there.  I put it back
together, did some bodywork painted it, and it even ran!

So, I'm not afraid, but for instance, terminology isn't my strong point.

So: between the 2, are there any gotchas, words of wisdom, pitfalls,
big mechanical differences (beyond engine size), etc, that I should
know about?

Haven't gotten it yet, but expect to go pick it up in a week if all
the details get worked.  Getting excited!
Spitfires at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires

http://www.team.net/archive

From fishplate at charter.net  Fri Jul 25 05:31:39 2008
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:31:39 -0400
Subject: [Spits] General questions/comparisons: 1962 Mk 1 - 1975  1500
In-Reply-To: <28f529ba0807242109h78988bd4y140a3b73dbc86858@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <28f529ba0807242109h78988bd4y140a3b73dbc86858@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080725113114.ERKC570.aarprv06.charter.net@nocando-caf700e.charter.net>

At 12:09 AM 7/25/2008, Mike Vasquez wrote:

>So, I'm not afraid, but for instance, terminology isn't my strong point.

In addition to what Joe said, I'd recommend getting the appropriate 
repair manual for the car and keeping it by your favorite 
chair...read it like a good novel.


Jeff Scarbrough      75 TR6 x 1, 76 1500 x 2, 78 1500 x 1, 80 1500 x 0.5
http://www.fishplate.org/vehicles/
Athens, Georgia         #354 

From red_tr250 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 25 07:01:00 2008
From: red_tr250 at yahoo.com (Todd Bermudez)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:01:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Drilling a Spin-On Adapter
Message-ID: <840689.39911.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm told that it is possible to take a spin-on adapter
for a TRiumph 6cyl engine (not currently tapped for an
oil cooler) and drill it for the fittings.  I'm after
the size of the fittings and the thread count/pitch on
both sides?  Has anyone done this already?  

Cheers,

Todd Bermudez

From douglashansen at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 25 11:35:40 2008
From: douglashansen at yahoo.com (Spitfire4)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] General questions/comparisons: 1962 Mk 1 - 1975  1500
Message-ID: <301161.52497.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You will prob find lots of small detailed parts with the body and engine that
will be completely different to the later spit you worked with before.  and if
you find that youre missing some parts then you might have trouble locating
new or replacement parts. 
I know Ive always had trouble with the early door
latch parts; either they're missing or just broken.  and my header tanks
always leaked.
If you ever have any trouble with the early stuff let me know
if I can help... as Im truly addicted to the early spits.
I would highly
suggest you get yourself a copy of the Spitfire and GT6- A guide to
originality.  its my bible when it comes to small changes thru its production.
 
Douglas A. Hansen
www.1147cc.com
 
 


----- Original Message ----
From:
Mike Vasquez <mike.vasquez at gmail.com>
To: spitfires at autox.team.net
Sent:
Friday, July 25, 2008 12:09:48 AM
Subject: [Spits] General
questions/comparisons: 1962 Mk 1 - 1975 1500

I've done a lot of work in the
past (1990/91) on a 1975 1500, that I
took apart and put back together as my
first "learn about cars"
experiment.  (Sadly, it's now sitting unloved in
Prattsville,
Arkansas....)

Now that I'm older (but not wiser) -- I'm looking
at a 1962 Mk1 as a
project with my 11 year old son.  We've got 5 years to make
it his
car!

So, back then: I ordered everything from either Victoria British
or
McLeod's British Cars in Arkansas (plug for Ron McLeod -- great guy).
I'm
mainly wondering/requesting...

Tips: Great resources? Where you've found it
best to order parts from?
Good resources?  I'm not sure what's changed in last
18 years since I
had my first Spit.  Except the Internet.  Any good sites? 
This list
seems to be the best thing I've found, btw.  Just want to know if
I'm
missing anything.

And between the 2 models: what am I in for?  I'm no car
expert.  I
learned a lot by doing, all self taught, made mistakes along the
way.
I got frustrated with the electrical issues at one point on the '75,
and
ended up venting by taking it all apart, body off chassis, so on,
etc.  Then,
i cleaned it up and put it back together.  Ron  guided me
by allowing me to
bring a part in and giving it a once over, advising
me how the engine looked,
what needed rebuilding (lower engine), what
was ok (trans/diff), etc, and I
took it from there.  I put it back
together, did some bodywork painted it, and
it even ran!

So, I'm not afraid, but for instance, terminology isn't my
strong point.

So: between the 2, are there any gotchas, words of wisdom,
pitfalls,
big mechanical differences (beyond engine size), etc, that I should
know about?

Haven't gotten it yet, but expect to go pick it up in a week if
all
the details get worked.  Getting excited!
_______________________________________________

Support Team.Net 
http://www.team.net/donate.html

Spitfires at autox.team.net
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From nmoseley at dccnet.com  Sun Jul 27 11:19:47 2008
From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:19:47 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Primer Vs Etch Primer?
Message-ID: <000d01c8f00c$f8d91830$6400a8c0@yourb27fb1c401>

Sorry for the cross-posts to those on multiple lists.

I'm part way through stripping and repainting the front chassis rails, shock
towers, bulkhead and shelf.  Just the shelf to go yet.

Old paint was mechanically stripped off, Rust converter product sprayed on
just in case, then a coat of primer, then colour coats.

My question is: what is the difference between "regular" primer, and "etch"
primer? I saw a show recently where they sprayed on etch primer in the
expectation that it would neutralize surface rust, and leave a primed
surface. It was an Eastwood product, but I see Etch primer for sale at my
FLAPS.

 

For the shelf on which the M/Cs etc rest, should I be using Etch primer? For
that matter, should I have used it on the rest, and would it obviate any
benefit of applying Rust Converter?

 

Sorry, lots of questions, but very little traffic, everyone must be out
having fun!

 

Nick Moseley, NASS #278,

76-81 Spits, GT6, Metro Vancouver B.C.

From doug at dougbraun.com  Sun Jul 27 19:38:51 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Primer Vs Etch Primer?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c8f00c$f8d91830$6400a8c0@yourb27fb1c401>
Message-ID: <114421.16314.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Etch primer is meant for bare metal.  It is supposed
to etch the metal a little bit so that the primer will
have a rougher surface to stick to.  It is not
generally meant to do anything for rust.

I have tried some of the Dupli-Color self-etching
primer, but it has a lot of filler, so it is not very
hard or strong.  I tried painting some chassis parts
with it, followed by black epoxy enamel, and I found
they chipped very easily.

BTW, I once bought some Rust-Oleum "Rust Reformer"
spray paint, which is supposed to "instantly convert
rust to a protected, paintable surface!" I sprayed
some on a rusty piece of metal, an later I could
scrape it off and find the rust still underneath.  It
did not seem to behave any different than normal spray
paint.

I have also seen those milky-looking water-based
products that neutralize the rust and turn it black. 
That's fine, but afterwards you have a latex-based
primer on your car.  Is that really a good idea?

I am pretty cynical about any product that is supposed
to be painted over rust and make it effectively go
away.  I am working on restoring a '31 Ford, and I
sandblasted and soda-blasted the body and chassis to
bare metal and used 2-part epoxy primer.  But to do
this, I had to take the car totally apart, and it's
taken about 2 years so far.

For my Spitfire, when I notice some of the original
paint peeling off of the chassis,  I take out my
trusty can of Hammerite and touch it up...

Doug Braun
'72 Spit

--- Nick Moseley <nmoseley at dccnet.com> wrote:

> My question is: what is the difference between
> "regular" primer, and "etch"
> primer? I saw a show recently where they sprayed on
> etch primer in the
> expectation that it would neutralize surface rust,
> and leave a primed
> surface. It was an Eastwood product, but I see Etch
> primer for sale at my
> FLAPS.

From mike.vasquez at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 18:56:07 2008
From: mike.vasquez at gmail.com (Mike Vasquez)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:56:07 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
Message-ID: <28f529ba0807281756u474a424ft972733da49a3b19d@mail.gmail.com>

I received an additional high-res picture of a spitfire project I'm
considering.

The seller mentioned rust on the bottom of the door, which didn't
concern me too much -- door can be repaired/replaced.  However, it's
actually *under* the door -- on the body itself.

So, take a peek: http://www.digihax.com/spitfire/spit.jpg  (You may
have to click on the picture once it loads to get highest res)

I have no welding skills.  I have friends with welding skills.  With
that in mind:

I know that's hard to tell from 1 pic, but your general thoughts
appreciated.  This is:

1962/63ish Spitfire.
Engine/Diff/Trans all there, and as always, "previously running"
I'm guessing a fair amount of small (but expensive) trim pieces, etc
are missing.

Salvageable?  Too much work to be worth it?  What would you pay?

Thanks again,
Mike

From mike.vasquez at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 19:16:47 2008
From: mike.vasquez at gmail.com (Mike Vasquez)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:16:47 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Request for reference pics: 62-63 Mk1 Spitfire
Message-ID: <28f529ba0807281816r7dc8d48dxeac622ccbcac1c5b@mail.gmail.com>

My experience is with the 70 era spits.  If anyone has some higher
resolution pics that detail what it *should* look like, from all
sides, engine compartment, interior, etc, for reference, that'd be
great.  I'm going to be evaluating one for purchase, and I'd like an
idea of where i need to get it, and how far away it is, and a general
idea of what all is missing...

Since they can't be emailed, contact me directly, I'll have you FTP
them to my website space, and if you want, I'll leave them up there --
free hosting for you!

The one for purchase is http://www.digihax.com/spitfire/spit.jpg

Thanks,
Mike

From bill at gingerich.us  Mon Jul 28 20:02:14 2008
From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
In-Reply-To: <28f529ba0807281756u474a424ft972733da49a3b19d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28f529ba0807281756u474a424ft972733da49a3b19d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4DC1DB53BFB4B28B23EBE7380BC75D5@shack2>

Mike,

Let me preface by saying I am biased toward saving any Spitfire or GT6 I
can.  Hence I have 4 projects waiting, as well as my Spitfire driver.  

If only that one rocker is bad, I think it's worth it.  I've never replaced
a rocker myself, so I have no firsthand experience.  What do you know about
the rest of the body?  If the other rocker, floors, and trunk all have holes
the size of the one in the picture, then you're getting into a lot of work
and expense.  In that case it might not be worth it.

The question of price is always difficult.  Do you have a feel for how much
of the car is there?  From the one picture, it looks like a lot is missing.
Trunk lid, dash, gauges, door glass, soft top frame, seats, gas tank,
bumpers, lights, etc. can add up fast.  

My last question is what is your goal?  These cars currently don't command
the kind of sale price needed to cover the cost of a first class
restoration. You have to spend the money because you love the car.

Based on only what I can see, I'd be willing to pay $500 max.  

Bill G
Newalla, OK
'74 Spitfire rolling restoration
'66 GT6 MkI project
'70 GT6+ project
'73 GT6 MkIII project
'71/'76 GT6 Convertible project




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From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net
[mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Mike Vasquez
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:56 PM
To: spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated

I received an additional high-res picture of a spitfire project I'm
considering.

The seller mentioned rust on the bottom of the door, which didn't
concern me too much -- door can be repaired/replaced.  However, it's
actually *under* the door -- on the body itself.

So, take a peek: http://www.digihax.com/spitfire/spit.jpg  (You may
have to click on the picture once it loads to get highest res)

I have no welding skills.  I have friends with welding skills.  With
that in mind:

I know that's hard to tell from 1 pic, but your general thoughts
appreciated.  This is:

1962/63ish Spitfire.
Engine/Diff/Trans all there, and as always, "previously running"
I'm guessing a fair amount of small (but expensive) trim pieces, etc
are missing.

Salvageable?  Too much work to be worth it?  What would you pay?

Thanks again,
Mike

From spitfire at freebacon.net  Mon Jul 28 20:19:53 2008
From: spitfire at freebacon.net (Mike Welch)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:19:53 -0600
Subject: [Spits] Request for reference pics: 62-63 Mk1 Spitfire
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I have 2 '69 MkIIIs.  Pictures are on my www.freebacon.net website.  Yours 
looks a lot like the one that my son is rebuilding.  We have welded on 
replacement panels, not too big of a deal (I know someone who is a good 
welder, that helps a bunch).  Floor panels were mostly intact, we welded 
reinforcement pieces in there.
  Big difference with the MkI and MkII are the bumpers are lower (more of an 
open-mouth look), 1147cc engine instead of the 1300, and the gauges are in 
the center panel.  Engines and transmissions are interchangeable between all 
years (I've put an 1147 into a '79, and a 1500 into a '69 with very little 
trouble)

Mike Welch
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To: <spitfires at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:16 PM
Subject: [Spits] Request for reference pics: 62-63 Mk1 Spitfire


> My experience is with the 70 era spits.  If anyone has some higher
> resolution pics that detail what it *should* look like, from all
> sides, engine compartment, interior, etc, for reference, that'd be
> great.  I'm going to be evaluating one for purchase, and I'd like an
> idea of where i need to get it, and how far away it is, and a general
> idea of what all is missing...
>
> Since they can't be emailed, contact me directly, I'll have you FTP
> them to my website space, and if you want, I'll leave them up there --
> free hosting for you!
>
> The one for purchase is http://www.digihax.com/spitfire/spit.jpg
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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From celiracer81 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 28 20:43:58 2008
From: celiracer81 at hotmail.com (celiracer81 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:43:58 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Primer Vs Etch Primer?
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In terms of finding a chemical used to "convert" rust, I have found Naval
Jelly to be quite effective.  Found at local NAPA auto parts stores and
various others, it is a jelly that you just brush onto bare metel and then
wash off.  I have used it on the body of my spitfire with great results so
far.  Just head the warnings about not inhaling the fumes.  I speak from
experience, you don't want to be that sick.

Dave Mayer
'68 Spit

> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:38:51 -0700> From: doug at dougbraun.com> To:
nmoseley at dccnet.com; nass at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net> Subject: Re:
[Spits] Primer Vs Etch Primer?> > Etch primer is meant for bare metal. It is
supposed> to etch the metal a little bit so that the primer will> have a
rougher surface to stick to. It is not> generally meant to do anything for
rust.> > I have tried some of the Dupli-Color self-etching> primer, but it has
a lot of filler, so it is not very> hard or strong. I tried painting some
chassis parts> with it, followed by black epoxy enamel, and I found> they
chipped very easily.> > BTW, I once bought some Rust-Oleum "Rust Reformer">
spray paint, which is supposed to "instantly convert> rust to a protected,
paintable surface!" I sprayed> some on a rusty piece of metal, an later I
could> scrape it off and find the rust still underneath. It> did not seem to
behave any different than normal spray> paint.> > I have also seen those
milky-looking water-based> products that neutralize the rust and turn it
black. > That's fine, but afterwards you have a latex-based> primer on your
car. Is that really a good idea?> > I am pretty cynical about any product that
is supposed> to be painted over rust and make it effectively go> away. I am
working on restoring a '31 Ford, and I> sandblasted and soda-blasted the body
and chassis to> bare metal and used 2-part epoxy primer. But to do> this, I
had to take the car totally apart, and it's> taken about 2 years so far.> >
For my Spitfire, when I notice some of the original> paint peeling off of the
chassis, I take out my> trusty can of Hammerite and touch it up...> > Doug
Braun> '72 Spit> > --- Nick Moseley <nmoseley at dccnet.com> wrote:> > > My
question is: what is the difference between> > "regular" primer, and "etch"> >
primer? I saw a show recently where they sprayed on> > etch primer in the> >
expectation that it would neutralize surface rust,> > and leave a primed> >
surface. It was an Eastwood product, but I see Etch> > primer for sale at my>
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From nmoseley at dccnet.com  Mon Jul 28 22:43:13 2008
From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
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Message-ID: <002a01c8f135$9ccc3b10$6400a8c0@yourb27fb1c401>

Mike, people can create a Bugatti Royale from scratch, so anything is
"salvageable".
A bigger issue is whether this car is in line with your objectives and
expectations.

It's tough to say based on one picture, so please take this with a pinch of
salt.

That car looks like it will need at least a new sill (rocker panel),
probably the sill strengthener (middle sill), and possibly the inner. If it
looks like that on one side, the other side will probably need the same
treatment. How about the driver and passenger floors, and the A post panels
where they joint the floors? And the floor of the trunk? And the front
underside of the bonnet?

I don't see seats, an interior, a dash and instruments, dash top, top or top
frame. Nor bonnet latches, nor bumpers. I do see rust coming through near
the bottom of the rear quarter panel. Does it have a title?

So, it'll probably need a lot of parts, and welding. How much time will your
friends want to devote to your project, or will they be teaching you so that
you can do it yourself?

Here is a link to a Mk II Spit that someone spent a fair amount of time and
money on restoring. <http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/car/749418882.html>
Note that he is asking less than he spent. (NFI etc)

Go to a supplier's web site and check out the prices of the rocker panels
(and floors etc), and interiors, carpets, tops. They add up very quickly.

Conventional wisdom is to buy the best car you can afford, and work on
improving it. However, if your objective is to learn a bunch of new skills,
then you will need practice, and might want to take on a bigger project. 
 
As an early car, it would be nice for someone to save it. As to whether it
is worth $300 or $800, it doesn't really matter. It will take a LOT more
than the difference to get this car looking pristine. The experience of
taking a car from this state, to pristine, might be priceless in some
enthusiast's eyes. If that is you, carry on! If you are on a very tight
budget, look for a less rusty and more complete car. 

Nick Moseley

From jwolff3 at verizon.net  Tue Jul 29 07:27:02 2008
From: jwolff3 at verizon.net (jwolff3 at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:27:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Spits] Looking for a Spitfire Mk2 or 3 door
Message-ID: <27662329.10582651217338022594.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

First off, I apologize if this is getting sent twice, but I think I did 
something wrong the first time trying to send it.

I'm looking for a decent used door for my 1965 Mk2 that is in the 
process of getting body work and new paint. My father-in-law called me 
on Friday telling me to start looking for a new door (one of them had 
been hit at one point and filled with a couple of inches of filler), but 
he didn't know which one it needed (an aquaintance of his is doing the 
work, but they are a couple hours away and I'm waiting to hear back), 
but I'm 90% sure it is the driver's (left hand) door as that never quite 
shut right. It seems that mk2 and mk3 doors are interchangeable and the 
color doesn't matter. The car is located near Cumberland, Maryland 
(Western) and I'm in Northern VA, so if anyone withing a few hours of 
either location has a door they would be willing to sell or if anyone 
knows of any British salvage yards in this part of the country, please 
let me know.

Thanks!

Jason

From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jul 29 08:00:28 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:00:28 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Looking for a Spitfire Mk2 or 3 door
References: <27662329.10582651217338022594.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <000e01c8f183$756c49e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

It all depends on what type of handle the door has.  About half way through
MK2 Production, the latch was changed.  So if you have one that has a handle
that turns, it is the same as a Mk1 Door.  On the other hand, if it has the
push button type, it is indeed the same as the Mk3

Joe C.

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To: <spitfires at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: [Spits] Looking for a Spitfire Mk2 or 3 door


> First off, I apologize if this is getting sent twice, but I think I did
> something wrong the first time trying to send it.
>
> I'm looking for a decent used door for my 1965 Mk2 that is in the
> process of getting body work and new paint. My father-in-law called me
> on Friday telling me to start looking for a new door (one of them had
> been hit at one point and filled with a couple of inches of filler), but
> he didn't know which one it needed (an aquaintance of his is doing the
> work, but they are a couple hours away and I'm waiting to hear back),
> but I'm 90% sure it is the driver's (left hand) door as that never quite
> shut right. It seems that mk2 and mk3 doors are interchangeable and the
> color doesn't matter. The car is located near Cumberland, Maryland
> (Western) and I'm in Northern VA, so if anyone withing a few hours of
> either location has a door they would be willing to sell or if anyone
> knows of any British salvage yards in this part of the country, please
> let me know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jason
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From jwolff3 at verizon.net  Tue Jul 29 08:13:54 2008
From: jwolff3 at verizon.net (jwolff3 at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Spits] Looking for a Spitfire Mk2 or 3 door
Message-ID: <32994906.1007981217340834755.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Thanks Joe,
It is the push button type. I just heard back from the body guy and it
is indeed the driver's side of the car that was hit at one point in it's
life and repaired poorly... looks like I'll also be buying a new rear
fender. He did suggest I might want to look for another car to start
with but my car does have very solid floors and rockers which in my
experience isn't easy to find on an old Triumph. The engine is also
freshly rebuilt so I would have to limit my search to a mk1 or 2 which
doesn't seem easy to find. But if anyone has a good tub or body on frame
with no interior or drivetrain I might also be interested in that.

As far as a new rear fender, would Spitbits be a good choice to purchase
from?

Thanks in advance for any leads or advice!

Jason


On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Joe Curry wrote:

> It all depends on what type of handle the door has.B  About half way
> through
MK2 Production, the latch was changed.B  So if you have one that has a
handle
that turns, it is the same as a Mk1 Door.B  On the other hand, if it has
the
push button type, it is indeed the same as the Mk3

Joe C.

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To: <spitfires at autox.team.net <mailto:spitfires at autox.team.net> B 
<mailto:spitfires at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: [Spits] Looking for a Spitfire Mk2 or 3 door

> First off, I apologize if this is getting sent twice, but I think I
> did
> something wrong the first time trying to send it.
>
> I'm looking for a decent used door for my 1965 Mk2 that is in the
> process of getting body work and new paint. My father-in-law called me
> on Friday telling me to start looking for a new door (one of them had
> been hit at one point and filled with a couple of inches of filler),
> but
> he didn't know which one it needed (an aquaintance of his is doing the
> work, but they are a couple hours away and I'm waiting to hear back),
> but I'm 90% sure it is the driver's (left hand) door as that never
> quite
> shut right. It seems that mk2 and mk3 doors are interchangeable and
> the
> color doesn't matter. The car is located near Cumberland, Maryland
> (Western) and I'm in Northern VA, so if anyone withing a few hours of
> either location has a door they would be willing to sell or if anyone
> knows of any British salvage yards in this part of the country, please
> let me know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jason
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From doug at dougbraun.com  Tue Jul 29 13:25:44 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
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Hello,

I think that car is shot.  All of that re-painted area
is probably badly rusted underneath, not just where
the rust has already re-emerged.

The car is in theory restorable, but I think it simply
isn't worth putting all the effort into a Spitfire,
because they are simply not that valuable, even when
well restored.  You could put the same amount of work
into a Austin Healey, TR6, etc. and end up a car that
is worth 3x as much.

If you want to fix up a car, find one with the body in
the best possible condition.  Every extra dollar you
spend on the purchase will be repaid several times
over by the reduced time and money spend restoring it.

(Consider that some previous owner gave up trying to
fix it up).

Also remember that the really old Spits (MK I and II)
are going to be harder to restore, since it will be
rather difficult to find the interior pieces, trim,
etc.  If you really want a round-tail, I suggest
getting the newest one you can.

And take your time buying.  You will not be getting
into a bidding war over that car...

Doug Braun
'72 Spit

--- Mike Vasquez <mike.vasquez at gmail.com> wrote:

> I received an additional high-res picture of a
> spitfire project I'm
> considering.

From doug at dougbraun.com  Tue Jul 29 13:33:19 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
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One other thing:  About the value:  If you still want
to buy it, I would offer somewhat over its scrap
value, but not a lot.  Maybe $300?  (I am assuming
that there is nothing more than what is seen in the
photo.  I.e., no dash, top, seats, etc.) Of course, if
the owner could start it up and move it under its own
power, you would probably double that.  

Of course, if you save $100 (or overpay $100), it is
irrelevant in the long run, because you will spend
many time more on the restoration.

Doug

From doug at dougbraun.com  Tue Jul 29 14:14:59 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Navel Jelly
In-Reply-To: <BLU124-W527CF955A8C302A1345532A2820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <176944.68304.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Navel Jelly is essentially phosphoric acid, with a gel
added to make it easier to use.  Phosphoric acid in
general is good, because it will attack rust and also
etch the bare steel (like an etching primer).  It is a
good thing to use on any bare steel, either stripped
old panels, or new replacement panels.

You can also get it in a liquid form that can be
sprayed and rinsed off.  My local HD carries a product
called "The Must for Rust" that works well.

Doug


--- celiracer81 at hotmail.com wrote:

> In terms of finding a chemical used to "convert"
> rust, I have found Naval
> Jelly to be quite effective.  

From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 29 16:30:59 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:30:59 +0100
Subject: [Spits] Navel Jelly
References: <176944.68304.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <059001c8f1ca$c6ff3140$0201a8c0@Bevan>

Doug, ya gotta be joking! Navel or naval - or is this another Joe Curry "fluif"?

Jonmac

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Spits] Navel Jelly


> Navel Jelly is essentially phosphoric acid, with a gel
> added to make it easier to use.  Phosphoric acid in
> general is good, because it will attack rust and also
> etch the bare steel (like an etching primer).  It is a
> good thing to use on any bare steel, either stripped
> old panels, or new replacement panels.
>
> You can also get it in a liquid form that can be
> sprayed and rinsed off.  My local HD carries a product
> called "The Must for Rust" that works well.
>
> Doug
>
>
> --- celiracer81 at hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> In terms of finding a chemical used to "convert"
>> rust, I have found Naval
>> Jelly to be quite effective.
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From celiracer81 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 29 18:54:33 2008
From: celiracer81 at hotmail.com (celiracer81 at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Navel Jelly
In-Reply-To: <059001c8f1ca$c6ff3140$0201a8c0@Bevan>
References: <176944.68304.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<059001c8f1ca$c6ff3140$0201a8c0@Bevan>
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I have seen it spelled both ways.  But it just doesn't look right with an
'e'.

> From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com> To: doug at dougbraun.com;
celiracer81 at hotmail.com; nass at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net> Subject: Re:
[Spits] Navel Jelly> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:30:59 +0100> > Doug, ya gotta
be joking! Navel or naval - or is this another Joe Curry "fluif"?> > Jonmac> >
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Braun" <doug at dougbraun.com>> To:
<celiracer81 at hotmail.com>; <nass at yahoogroups.com>;
<spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>; > <spitfires at autox.team.net>> Sent:
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:14 PM> Subject: Re: [Spits] Navel Jelly> > > > Navel
Jelly is essentially phosphoric acid, with a gel> > added to make it easier to
use. Phosphoric acid in> > general is good, because it will attack rust and
also> > etch the bare steel (like an etching primer). It is a> > good thing to
use on any bare steel, either stripped> > old panels, or new replacement
panels.> >> > You can also get it in a liquid form that can be> > sprayed and
rinsed off. My local HD carries a product> > called "The Must for Rust" that
works well.> >> > Doug> >> >> > --- celiracer81 at hotmail.com wrote:> >> >> In
terms of finding a chemical used to "convert"> >> rust, I have found Naval> >>
Jelly to be quite effective.> >
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From nmoseley at dccnet.com  Tue Jul 29 20:15:21 2008
From: nmoseley at dccnet.com (Nick Moseley)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:15:21 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Navel Jelly
In-Reply-To: <BLU124-W159B6BCEC1F6BD8D74B09EA27D0@phx.gbl>
References: <176944.68304.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><059001c8f1ca$c6ff3140$0201a8c0@Bevan>
	<BLU124-W159B6BCEC1F6BD8D74B09EA27D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000f01c8f1ea$1ef01170$6400a8c0@yourb27fb1c401>

I believe the correct spelling is "naval", as in big ships (Navy).

Thanks all!

Nick Moseley

From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jul 29 20:43:31 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:43:31 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Navel Jelly
In-Reply-To: <059001c8f1ca$c6ff3140$0201a8c0@Bevan>
References: <176944.68304.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<059001c8f1ca$c6ff3140$0201a8c0@Bevan>
Message-ID: <59EE234BE663453099864F1A64DCEC48@newcomputer>

And all this time I thought it was the stuff that collects in your belly
button when you have been working out really hard.

Joe (fluif) Curry

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John
Macartney
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:31 PM
To: Doug Braun; celiracer81 at hotmail.com; nass at yahoogroups.com;
spitfire-enthusiast at yahoogroups.com; spitfires at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spits] Navel Jelly

Doug, ya gotta be joking! Navel or naval - or is this another Joe Curry
"fluif"?

Jonmac

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To: <celiracer81 at hotmail.com>; <nass at yahoogroups.com>;
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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Spits] Navel Jelly


> Navel Jelly is essentially phosphoric acid, with a gel
> added to make it easier to use.  Phosphoric acid in
> general is good, because it will attack rust and also
> etch the bare steel (like an etching primer).  It is a
> good thing to use on any bare steel, either stripped
> old panels, or new replacement panels.
>
> You can also get it in a liquid form that can be
> sprayed and rinsed off.  My local HD carries a product
> called "The Must for Rust" that works well.
>
> Doug
>
>
> --- celiracer81 at hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> In terms of finding a chemical used to "convert"
>> rust, I have found Naval
>> Jelly to be quite effective.
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From stevebez at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 21:46:50 2008
From: stevebez at gmail.com (Steve Beswick)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Restoring early spits
Message-ID: <DC2EF991-E240-4BAC-99D0-B29DE1B4ACCD@gmail.com>

While I did not see the photos of the car in question, keep in mind  
the rarity of mk1 spits. If it comes with a lot of good mk1/mk2  
specific parts then it may be with the money anyway. IIRC, we are  
talking about a mk1, so some specific parts to look for are:
Straight front bumper
Front overriders
The 2 chrome top hooks
Seat frames
Mk1 style door handles/latches
Mk1 remote radiator tank
Hub caps
Grills

That's all that I can think of right now. I'm 99% sure that 

From maya2blue at juno.com  Thu Jul 31 11:38:01 2008
From: maya2blue at juno.com (maya2blue at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Spits] Spitfire alternator solution found
Message-ID: <20080731.123802.4844.3.maya2blue@juno.com>

Greetings all,

Sometime ago, I asked the lists for some info regarding replacing the
alternator on my '78 Spitfire.  

Thanks to all that replied.

Okay -- 

The following is an unabashed recommendation for this outfit. 

NFI, etc etc -- just a pleased customer!

I decided to purchase a "plug and play" alternator that simply drops in
and replaces the original Lucas. The 43 amp alternator was "designed and
manufactured specifically as a direct replacement for use with Triumph
Spitfire 1973-1980 and the TR8 (w/o AC, 43 amp) 1978-1981. One year
manufacturer warranty and complete satisfaction is guaranteed."

I paid US$99.90 (shipped and insured) to laynlow1 on eBay. Item number
150274416199

For a non-wrench guy like me, this was great. I corresponded with  Gary @
770-781-5658  several times and could not have been more pleased with
everything. 

Again, No Financial Interest, just a pleased customer.

Feel free to mention my name and the listserve if you decide to buy from
him.

Thanks again to everyone who helped.

Harve


Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
72701 USA 
479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 31 12:11:06 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Spits] [TR] Spitfire alternator solution found
References: <20080731.123802.4844.3.maya2blue@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003601c8f338$cd96f640$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

So Who is the manufacturer of said Alternator?   And why did you not go with
the Bosche which is also a plug and play replacement byt delivers 55 amps?

Joe
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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: [TR] Spitfire alternator solution found


> Greetings all,
>
> Sometime ago, I asked the lists for some info regarding replacing the
> alternator on my '78 Spitfire.
>
> Thanks to all that replied.
>
> Okay -- 
>
> The following is an unabashed recommendation for this outfit.
>
> NFI, etc etc -- just a pleased customer!
>
> I decided to purchase a "plug and play" alternator that simply drops in
> and replaces the original Lucas. The 43 amp alternator was "designed and
> manufactured specifically as a direct replacement for use with Triumph
> Spitfire 1973-1980 and the TR8 (w/o AC, 43 amp) 1978-1981. One year
> manufacturer warranty and complete satisfaction is guaranteed."
>
> I paid US$99.90 (shipped and insured) to laynlow1 on eBay. Item number
> 150274416199
>
> For a non-wrench guy like me, this was great. I corresponded with  Gary @
> 770-781-5658  several times and could not have been more pleased with
> everything.
>
> Again, No Financial Interest, just a pleased customer.
>
> Feel free to mention my name and the listserve if you decide to buy from
> him.
>
> Thanks again to everyone who helped.
>
> Harve
>
>
> Harve Thorn          (NASS #79)
> 531 Amen Corner   ('78 1500 Spitfire)
> Fayetteville, AR    (looking for a "nice" GT6)
> 72701 USA
> 479.443.0818 evenings or lv msg
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From superluke at execulink.com  Thu Jul 31 13:44:06 2008
From: superluke at execulink.com (Luke Lewis)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:44:06 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
References: <232002.28619.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002001c8f345$cb145720$8800a8c0@Kickass>

Wow - that car is more solid than either of mine, and one of mine is my 
driver!  You don't see a solid car here in Canada though - period - unless 
it's been babied it's whole life, restored or brought up from the States. 
That looks to me like a very worthwhile project, I wish either of mine had 
been that good to begin with!  Guess it's a POV issue!



> Hello,
>
> I think that car is shot.  All of that re-painted area
> is probably badly rusted underneath, not just where
> the rust has already re-emerged.
>
> The car is in theory restorable, but I think it simply
> isn't worth putting all the effort into a Spitfire,
> because they are simply not that valuable, even when
> well restored.  You could put the same amount of work
> into a Austin Healey, TR6, etc. and end up a car that
> is worth 3x as much.
>
> If you want to fix up a car, find one with the body in
> the best possible condition.  Every extra dollar you
> spend on the purchase will be repaid several times
> over by the reduced time and money spend restoring it.
>
> (Consider that some previous owner gave up trying to
> fix it up).
>
> Also remember that the really old Spits (MK I and II)
> are going to be harder to restore, since it will be
> rather difficult to find the interior pieces, trim,
> etc.  If you really want a round-tail, I suggest
> getting the newest one you can.
>
> And take your time buying.  You will not be getting
> into a bidding war over that car...
>
> Doug Braun
> '72 Spit
>
> --- Mike Vasquez <mike.vasquez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I received an additional high-res picture of a
>> spitfire project I'm
>> considering.
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From krhodes1 at maine.rr.com  Thu Jul 31 13:59:31 2008
From: krhodes1 at maine.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:59:31 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
In-Reply-To: <002001c8f345$cb145720$8800a8c0@Kickass>
References: <232002.28619.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002001c8f345$cb145720$8800a8c0@Kickass>
Message-ID: <20080731195937.XXBQ16547.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com>

At 03:44 PM 7/31/2008, Luke Lewis wrote:
>Wow - that car is more solid than either of mine, and one of mine is my
>driver!  You don't see a solid car here in Canada though - period - unless
>it's been babied it's whole life, restored or brought up from the States.
>That looks to me like a very worthwhile project, I wish either of mine had
>been that good to begin with!  Guess it's a POV issue!

This is so true. I am a subscriber to the British Magazine "Practical 
Classic". What folks on the other side of the pond will tackle for a 
restoration is mind-boggling. This month's issue has a reader 
restoration of a square-tail spit where they guy replaced something 
like 75% of the metal in the car! All by himself in his (probably 
tiny) garage! Makes me thankful for my never-had-any-real-rust 
Spitfire that originally lived in Texas. But ultimately, restoring a 
rough car has to be a labor of love. But really, anything cheap and 
cheerful is a money-losing proposition so it needs to be that way anyway.

Kevin Rhodes
Westbrook, Maine
Freddy the Spitfire, owned 12 years now, better than ever. 

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 31 14:20:03 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:20:03 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
References: <232002.28619.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002001c8f345$cb145720$8800a8c0@Kickass>
	<20080731195937.XXBQ16547.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@nas.maine.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c8f34a$d0fc8a40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

There was a guy on the TR list up in BC Canada a few years ago who was
restoring a very rusty TR4. He was doing so much fabrication that he got the
nickname McGuyver!

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Rhodes" <krhodes1 at maine.rr.com>
To: "Spitfires" <spitfires at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated


> At 03:44 PM 7/31/2008, Luke Lewis wrote:
> >Wow - that car is more solid than either of mine, and one of mine is my
> >driver!  You don't see a solid car here in Canada though - period -
unless
> >it's been babied it's whole life, restored or brought up from the States.
> >That looks to me like a very worthwhile project, I wish either of mine
had
> >been that good to begin with!  Guess it's a POV issue!
>
> This is so true. I am a subscriber to the British Magazine "Practical
> Classic". What folks on the other side of the pond will tackle for a
> restoration is mind-boggling. This month's issue has a reader
> restoration of a square-tail spit where they guy replaced something
> like 75% of the metal in the car! All by himself in his (probably
> tiny) garage! Makes me thankful for my never-had-any-real-rust
> Spitfire that originally lived in Texas. But ultimately, restoring a
> rough car has to be a labor of love. But really, anything cheap and
> cheerful is a money-losing proposition so it needs to be that way anyway.
>
> Kevin Rhodes
> Westbrook, Maine
> Freddy the Spitfire, owned 12 years now, better than ever.
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From v6spitfireguy at cox.net  Thu Jul 31 14:43:25 2008
From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (v6spitfireguy at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:43:25 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Theme at this years Triumphest
Message-ID: <380-220087431204325915@M2W009.mail2web.com>

Hey guys, is there a theme at this years Triumphest?  There is usually
some sort of theme and this year the wife wants to knowjust in case -

Barry Schwartz
San Diego, CA

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From jimmuller at rcn.com  Thu Jul 31 14:44:07 2008
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:44:07 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
In-Reply-To: <005f01c8f34a$d0fc8a40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <4891EBD7.10046.47BEED9@localhost>

On 31 Jul 2008 at 13:20, Joe Curry wrote:

> He was doing so much fabrication that he got the
> nickname McGuyver!

Aw c'mon, you're making that up!


-- 
Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com
'80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul 31 15:16:10 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:16:10 -0700
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
References: <4891EBD7.10046.47BEED9@localhost>
Message-ID: <006f01c8f352$a8186ce0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

Nope!  I wish I remembered his name,  He had a website where he posted all
the photos.  The car was something I would not have even attempted tosalvage
but he was undaunted.

Joe
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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated


> On 31 Jul 2008 at 13:20, Joe Curry wrote:
>
> > He was doing so much fabrication that he got the
> > nickname McGuyver!
>
> Aw c'mon, you're making that up!
>
>
> -- 
> Jim Muller
> jimmuller at rcn.com
> '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+
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From doug at dougbraun.com  Thu Jul 31 18:22:13 2008
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:22:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
In-Reply-To: <002001c8f345$cb145720$8800a8c0@Kickass>
Message-ID: <684508.71278.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I didn't say it wasn't worth driving, just not worth
restoring.  If the car was in mostly-complete and
working condition except for the rust, it would be
worth fixing the rust and the paint to keep it
running.

But it needs a lot more than that.
There's a big difference between a repair and a
restoration.  I've been doing the latter to a '31 Ford
for over two years now.  Have a look at what is
involved:  http://31ford.dougbraun.com 

Doug


--- Luke Lewis <superluke at execulink.com> wrote:

> Wow - that car is more solid than either of mine,
> and one of mine is my 
> driver!  You don't see a solid car here in Canada
> though - period - unless 
> it's been babied it's whole life, restored or
> brought up from the States. 
> That looks to me like a very worthwhile project, I
> wish either of mine had 
> been that good to begin with!  Guess it's a POV
> issue!

From frede.thomas2 at verizon.net  Thu Jul 31 20:22:53 2008
From: frede.thomas2 at verizon.net (FRED E THOMAS)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated
References: <684508.71278.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c8f37d$80f65cf0$20427247@fred8kwiskhcfu>

Doug, sorry but there was then and still is today a lots more Model A Ford's 
than Triumphs and that also includes parts available, if any hobbiest were 
to ever start thinking about how much to restore and then how much is it 
worth, we would have no restored cars on the road, a auto is restored for 
the love of the hobby or a memorable time in your life about that type car, 
they're a lots prettier in any condition on the road than after a crusher 
hugs them.  "FT"
P/S == took me 5 years on my 31 Roadster == you're doing a fine job on your 
"A", hope "SHE" does not close the account  :) :)  :)  "FT"
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----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Luke Lewis" <superluke at execulink.com>; "Spitfires" 
<spitfires at autox.team.net>; "Doug Braun" <doug at dougbraun.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Spits] Restorable? Your thoughts appreciated


>I didn't say it wasn't worth driving, just not worth
> restoring.  If the car was in mostly-complete and
> working condition except for the rust, it would be
> worth fixing the rust and the paint to keep it
> running.
>
> But it needs a lot more than that.
> There's a big difference between a repair and a
> restoration.  I've been doing the latter to a '31 Ford
> for over two years now.  Have a look at what is
> involved:  http://31ford.dougbraun.com
>
> Doug
>
>
> --- Luke Lewis <superluke at execulink.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow - that car is more solid than either of mine,
>> and one of mine is my
>> driver!  You don't see a solid car here in Canada
>> though - period - unless
>> it's been babied it's whole life, restored or
>> brought up from the States.
>> That looks to me like a very worthwhile project, I
>> wish either of mine had
>> been that good to begin with!  Guess it's a POV
>> issue!
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