From JHMDDS at aol.com Fri Nov 2 08:48:23 2007 From: JHMDDS at aol.com (JHMDDS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:48:23 EDT Subject: [Spits] Engine Preluber Message-ID: With all the threads lately about engine oil, I was wondering what the group might think about an engine preluber? Thanks, James '75 Tr6 and "66 Spitfire ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From stevebez at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 20:06:09 2007 From: stevebez at gmail.com (Steve Beswick) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Free 1147 in So Cal Message-ID: <6623d4d50711022006q18c94eefn9830e257f5fdb670@mail.gmail.com> Anybody want it? Just come and get it out of my garage and it's yours. Of course I am still looking for a pair of front overiders for a mk1/mk2, if someone wants to bring me an early x-mas present. I'm in Ontario, about 1 mile north of the airport. -Steve From doug at dougbraun.com Sat Nov 3 17:02:43 2007 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spits] Engine Preluber In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <541276.27949.qm@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a new car that is worth probably 6x what my Spit is. And its engine would be much more expensive to replace than my Spit's. I am not at all motivated to install a pre-luber on my new car. So why would I bother on the Spit? Doug Braun '72 Spit --- JHMDDS at aol.com wrote: > With all the threads lately about engine oil, I was > wondering what the group > might think about an engine preluber? > > Thanks, > > James '75 Tr6 and "66 Spitfire From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Tue Nov 6 15:27:44 2007 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Turkey Bowl Message-ID: All, My apologies if you are receiving this more than once, or if you've already registered ... I just wanted to remind everyone on this list that you're invited to the 11th Annual Turkey Bowl at Summit Point (main course) on Thanksgiving weekend (Nov 23-25) -- and the earlybird discount deadline for Turkey Bowl entries is this Saturday, November 10th. Also, great news: the track has just been completely repaved! No more concrete patches, bumps or lumps. It's smooth as the proverbial baby's behind. If you enter & pay by Saturday it's only $250 for all three days! The entry form is attached, and also available on the VRG web site here: http://www.vrgonline.org/EVENTS/TURK/07TURKApp.pdf or go to www.vrgonline.org click on Events, then Turkey Bowl, and you'll find it there. You'll also find lots of useful information in the FAQ on the web site. If you've already sent your entry, tell your friends! We can always use a few more entries and we can accomodate nearly any car, vintage or modern, in either the VRG race groups or our partner's race groups. Hope to see you there! Mark Palmer VRG Event Chairman From spitfirepat at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 02:22:04 2007 From: spitfirepat at gmail.com (SpitfirePat) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:22:04 +0000 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices Message-ID: We have all heard about the global unrest with stock and oil prices, but the top item on the TV news here in the UK yesterday was how the national average price for 1 litre of regular unleaded petrol has now broken through the #1 mark. Just to remind you, there are 3.78 litres in a gallon (US) and 2.10 $US to a #GBP... so that makes petrol $8.02 a gallon !! Makes you think, huh? Pat From JStasyszen at odmhsas.org Thu Nov 8 07:37:55 2007 From: JStasyszen at odmhsas.org (Stasyszen, Jerry) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:37:55 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, in Oklahoma City USA we are paying 3.02 per gallon. And, while gas may be equivalent to 8.02 per gallon in the UK you cannot walk across the US in a day or two like you can in England. The UK is not a large country, UK cars are small and fuel efficient, our dumbass administration refuses to force US manufacturers to raise fuel economy standards, (might hurt their profits). We lag far behind China in fuel economy standards. How stupid is that, a country that cannot produce a safe toy out paces the US in fuel standards. Hell, when you think about it the whole of Europe is out pacing the US in most every aspect of life thanks largely in part to the US disbelief in science and whole blind support for the war in Iraq and a retarded president. That is what make you think Jerry -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+jstasyszen=odmhsas.org at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+jstasyszen=odmhsas.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SpitfirePat Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:22 AM To: spitfires Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices We have all heard about the global unrest with stock and oil prices, but the top item on the TV news here in the UK yesterday was how the national average price for 1 litre of regular unleaded petrol has now broken through the #1 mark. Just to remind you, there are 3.78 litres in a gallon (US) and 2.10 $US to a #GBP... so that makes petrol $8.02 a gallon !! Makes you think, huh? Pat From krhodes1 at maine.rr.com Thu Nov 8 08:39:28 2007 From: krhodes1 at maine.rr.com (Kevin Rhodes) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:39:28 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711081539.lA8FdTZg027261@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com> At 09:37 AM 11/8/2007, Stasyszen, Jerry wrote: >Actually, in Oklahoma City USA we are paying 3.02 per gallon. And, while gas >may be equivalent to 8.02 per gallon in the UK you cannot walk across the US >in a day or two like you can in England. The UK is not a large country, UK >cars are small and fuel efficient, our dumbass administration refuses to force >US manufacturers to raise fuel economy standards, (might hurt their profits). > >That is what make you think >Jerry Why should the Government force companies to make a certain type of vehicle? Cars in Europe are more fuel-efficient because gas costs $6-8 gallon. It costs that much because the Governments over there TAX it heavily. Just like here, car companies sell what people want to buy. Very few people in America want 1.2l VW's at even $3/gal. People whine about the cost of gas, then go and buy 10mpg Tahoes. Obviously, the price of gas is not THAT big a deal to them. Government interference through fuel economy standards is largely responsible for the rise of the SUV. Since they were considered trucks, they were exempt from CAFE calculations. This allowed car companies to produce the large, heavy, damn-the-fuel-economy luxo-barges that the American consumer seems to crave. And the were sooo profitable too. Just a different form-factor. And realistically - why shouldn't they when gas is so ridiculously cheap here? Handling dynamics don't matter much in a country where most of the roads are either dead-straight highways or gridlocked with congestion. I am all for more expensive gas - I think $5-6/gal will bring a smattering of rationality to folk's car buying decisions. Of course, here in the States raising the gas tax is political suicide. Not that I don't agree with your assessment of our current administration.... :-) Kevin Rhodes Westbrook, Maine Freddy the Spitfire (~35 mpg on the highway) From foxtrapper at aceweb.com Thu Nov 8 09:42:46 2007 From: foxtrapper at aceweb.com (Nolan) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:42:46 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices References: Message-ID: <000d01c82226$647eeac0$3029c40a@mde.state.md.us> Try getting in a crash in one of those little China made fuel efficient cars, then tell me what you think. A *big* part of the reason cars in America don't get as good a gas mileage is because they are far bigger, safer, and resultingly heavier. And then there's the performance factor... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stasyszen, Jerry" To: "SpitfirePat" ; "spitfires" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Spits] Gas Prices > Actually, in Oklahoma City USA we are paying 3.02 per gallon. And, while > gas > may be equivalent to 8.02 per gallon in the UK you cannot walk across the > US > in a day or two like you can in England. The UK is not a large country, UK > cars are small and fuel efficient, our dumbass administration refuses to > force > US manufacturers to raise fuel economy standards, (might hurt their > profits). > We lag far behind China in fuel economy standards. How stupid is that, a > country that cannot produce a safe toy out paces the US in fuel standards. From doug at dougbraun.com Thu Nov 8 10:37:48 2007 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:37:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <000d01c82226$647eeac0$3029c40a@mde.state.md.us> Message-ID: <389471.75182.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another info-tidbit on the USA vs. Europe driving thing: My wife's aunt and uncle recently visited the USA for the first time. He's from Greece and she's from Germany, and they live in Greece but often drive back and forth to Germany (via Italy) to visit their daughter. While whey were here, they drove from New Jersey to Washington DC, then to Niagara Falls, and back to NJ. So that are in a good position to compare USA vs Europe driving, roads, etc. They enjoyed the trip a lot, and one of their most interesting observations was that during their travels they did not pass any serious crashes (i.e. involving ambulances, etc.). Driving a similar distance in Germany or Italy, they would have expected to see one or two. Doug Braun '72 Spit --- Nolan wrote: > Try getting in a crash in one of those little China > made fuel efficient > cars, then tell me what you think. > > A *big* part of the reason cars in America don't get > as good a gas mileage > is because they are far bigger, safer, and > resultingly heavier. And then > there's the performance factor... From fishplate at charter.net Thu Nov 8 11:38:32 2007 From: fishplate at charter.net (fishplate at charter.net) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:38:32 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071108133832.FWMDP.473954.root@fepweb11> ---- "Stasyszen wrote: > our dumbass administration refuses to force > US manufacturers to raise fuel economy standards, (might hurt their profits). Not to spoil your rant, but don't you think that if consumers ~wanted~ fuel-efficient cars, then they would be made in huge numbers? Until you find a way to force people to buy them, why force the auto makers to build them? Thanks goodness my Spitfire gets 27 MPG! Jeff Scarbrough Smug, Ga. From stevebez at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 12:24:31 2007 From: stevebez at gmail.com (Steve Beswick) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:24:31 -0800 Subject: [Spits] President bashing Message-ID: <6623d4d50711081124j4118efa8u11fc1307af8462f6@mail.gmail.com> To everybody: Last time I checked this list is about Spitfires. Please take your political comments somewhere else. To Jerry: To call our President retarded shows you have about as much class as the Dixie Chicks. I'm sure his being retarded helped him become the leader of the free world. From spitlist at cox.net Thu Nov 8 13:09:35 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:09:35 -0700 Subject: [Spits] President bashing References: <6623d4d50711081124j4118efa8u11fc1307af8462f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01c82243$48c6cb00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> For what it's worth, Calling Bush Retarded, is pretty accurate and centainly not unsavory. Go Dixie Chicks! Joe P.S. If you support Bush and all the crap he has inflicted upon the US and the rest of the world, then he is YOUR president, not ours. I didn't vote for him, and the majority of voters didn't either. Blame that on the Supreme court! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Beswick" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [Spits] President bashing > To everybody: > Last time I checked this list is about Spitfires. Please take your > political comments somewhere else. > > To Jerry: > To call our President retarded shows you have about as much class as > the Dixie Chicks. I'm sure his being retarded helped him become the > leader of the free world. > _______________________________________________ > spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires From cmyers at eiu.org Thu Nov 8 13:28:37 2007 From: cmyers at eiu.org (Chris Myers) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:28:37 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Spitfires and politics! Message-ID: <20071108204457.A2B7D1879BE@autox.team.net> Come on guys, let's keep our opinions about our country's leadership to ourselves, I would love to vent my opinions on such matters but I would rather not take the chance of offending anyone, especially since we depend on each other for so much. Everyone who is reading this list has already made up their mind about certain things and no amount of "bashing" is going to change anyones opinion! Chris Myers 66 spit Alfa powered/GT6+ rearend From james_v_laviana at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 14:13:17 2007 From: james_v_laviana at sbcglobal.net (Jim Laviana) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:13:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Overdrive switch Message-ID: <568436.27473.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A friend and I are rebuilding a 1973 GT6. Acording to one manual the overdrive switch is on the shifter, (this is a late model car), and another says that the switch is on the column? We added the overdrive from a MKII so all we have is the column mounted switch, if it indeed belongs on the shifter than we need a different shifter than we have. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From Greg.Tobin at trizetto.com Thu Nov 8 15:10:38 2007 From: Greg.Tobin at trizetto.com (Tobin, Greg) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor Message-ID: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F6C@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> Hi- A few months back, someone posted a link to a small company that is producing replacement distributors for a number of classics (Lancias, Alfas, LBC's etc), and they sold the Spitfire distributor I need. However, I rebuilt my computer in the meantime and lost the link. Not able to google it right either, so I don't know who they were. Does anyone have that url handy by chance? thanks!!!! Greg 72 spitfire (in need of new distributor) 68 GT6+ in disarray From barber-spitfire at comcast.net Thu Nov 8 15:23:06 2007 From: barber-spitfire at comcast.net (Patrick Barber) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:23:06 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor In-Reply-To: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F6C@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> Message-ID: <20071108222444.B5CB0187A10@autox.team.net> I don't know if you were referencing the company named 123 Ignitions but they offer what seems to be an excellent replacement for the delco or lucas unit in the spitfire http://www.123ignition.nl/id/22.html Pat Barber -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+barber-spitfire=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+barber-spitfire=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tobin, Greg Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:11 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor Hi- A few months back, someone posted a link to a small company that is producing replacement distributors for a number of classics (Lancias, Alfas, LBC's etc), and they sold the Spitfire distributor I need. However, I rebuilt my computer in the meantime and lost the link. Not able to google it right either, so I don't know who they were. Does anyone have that url handy by chance? thanks!!!! Greg 72 spitfire (in need of new distributor) 68 GT6+ in disarray Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires From Greg.Tobin at trizetto.com Thu Nov 8 15:36:44 2007 From: Greg.Tobin at trizetto.com (Tobin, Greg) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:36:44 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor References: Message-ID: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F6E@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> Thank you kindly!!!! That is the exact place I was looking for, thanks a bunch!!!! at ~300 Euro, gotta love the current US > Euro exchange rate...NOT. Has anyone out there tried this ignition setup on a MKIV? The Mallory seems pricy for a simple points-replacement unit (let alone the unilite), and though I like the stock setup with an MSD 7 amplifier box under the dash, I'm really looking to clean up the whole install, this looks to be the nice setup. 19 years on this list, and it's still the most valuable resource out there for LBC's!!! -greg Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 2:23 PM To: Tobin, Greg; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor I don't know if you were referencing the company named 123 Ignitions but they offer what seems to be an excellent replacement for the delco or lucas unit in the spitfire http://www.123ignition.nl/id/22.html Pat Barber -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+barber-spitfire=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+barber-spitfire=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tobin, Greg Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:11 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor Hi- A few months back, someone posted a link to a small company that is producing replacement distributors for a number of classics (Lancias, Alfas, LBC's etc), and they sold the Spitfire distributor I need. However, I rebuilt my computer in the meantime and lost the link. Not able to google it right either, so I don't know who they were. Does anyone have that url handy by chance? thanks!!!! Greg 72 spitfire (in need of new distributor) 68 GT6+ in disarray Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Nov 8 15:36:11 2007 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:36:11 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices References: <20071108133832.FWMDP.473954.root@fepweb11> Message-ID: <01ee01c82257$c3df4e70$0201a8c0@Bevan> Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >don't you think that if consumers ~wanted~ fuel-efficient cars, then they would be made in huge >numbers? Until you find a way to force people to buy them, why force the auto makers to build >them? The quickest way to achieve both objectives is for the US government to tax fuel to the same level as in Europe. Here in the UK, approx 75% of the pump price on a gallon of gasoline goes straight to government in tax. It's more still for diesel, though LPG is still pretty cheap - by comparison and about half the cost of gasoline. This now makes heavy-footing a big six Triumph around our roads a very occasional pleasure than heretofore. Jonmac From doug at dougbraun.com Thu Nov 8 15:54:26 2007 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:54:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor In-Reply-To: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F6E@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> Message-ID: <966699.37865.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You will have to use an electronic tach with those distributors. Doug --- "Tobin, Greg" wrote: > Has anyone out there tried this ignition setup on a > MKIV? The Mallory seems > pricy for a simple points-replacement unit (let > alone the unilite), and though > I like the stock setup with an MSD 7 amplifier box > under the dash, I'm really > looking to clean up the whole install, this looks to > be the nice setup. From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Nov 8 15:20:52 2007 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:20:52 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices References: Message-ID: <01e201c82255$a026efd0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Jerry Stasyszen wrote: > Actually, in Oklahoma City USA we are paying 3.02 per gallon. And, while gas > may be equivalent to 8.02 per gallon in the UK you cannot walk across the US > in a day or two like you can in England. Well, you could cover the greatest width of England from Land's End to Broadstairsdon't in 48 hours (364 miles) non-stop at 7.5mph, . But if you wanted to include the UK, that brings Northern Ireland into the equation and also includes a 30 mile swim across the Irish sea. Yes, I guess you could do that extra bit in 3 days providing you emulated a rather famous person from Galilee? So, one has touched on politics, now religion - so it only leaves **x to be reviewed. Jonmac From jimmuller at rcn.com Thu Nov 8 17:04:25 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:04:25 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Overdrive switch In-Reply-To: <568436.27473.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47335DB9.27484.B5AFFF@localhost> On 8 Nov 2007 at 13:13, Jim Laviana wrote: > A friend and I are rebuilding a 1973 GT6. Acording to one manual > the overdrive switch is on the shifter, (this is a late model car), > and another says that the switch is on the column? The Spitbits.com online catalogue shows a column-mounted OD switch as applying to the MkI and MkII. I didn't look far enough to find the shifter for a Mk3 OD gearbox. My '80 Spitfire has it on the shifter, but Spitbits doesn't show a OD/non-OD shift knob difference until the single-rail gearbox which started in '74. On reflection, I wonder if maybe OD wasn't even offered on the Mk3 GT6. It was never a popular option anyway. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM From lbcs at embarqmail.com Thu Nov 8 17:16:54 2007 From: lbcs at embarqmail.com (Bill Miller (LBCs)) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01c82265$d5fc4460$0200a8c0@bills> Jerry => odmhsas.org = Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services. You'd think that anyone who works at a mental health department would know better to call anyone retarded. And, Joe - like it or not he IS your president too. Just as Mr. Clinton was mine. You may not like him. I really don't either. But I was taught by my parents to respect the president... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Stasyszen, Jerry whole blind support for the war in Iraq and a retarded president. That is what make you think Jerry From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Thu Nov 8 17:26:24 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:26:24 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <003b01c82265$d5fc4460$0200a8c0@bills> References: <003b01c82265$d5fc4460$0200a8c0@bills> Message-ID: <006401c82267$2ac8d5c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Respect has to be earned. My parents gave me an education that taught me to think for myself. Clark -----Original Message----- And, Joe - like it or not he IS your president too. Just as Mr. Clinton was mine. You may not like him. I really don't either. But I was taught by my parents to respect the president... Bill From carcentric at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 17:36:03 2007 From: carcentric at yahoo.com (M D Nugent) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:36:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices Message-ID: <216885.62213.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My bumper sticker: ANYBODY BUT HILLARY! (Be afraid . . . be very afraid.) M D "Doc" Nugent - http://www.carcentric.com Seattle area ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Miller (LBCs) To: spitfires Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 4:16:54 PM Subject: Re: [Spits] Gas Prices Jerry => odmhsas.org = Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services. You'd think that anyone who works at a mental health department would know better to call anyone retarded. And, Joe - like it or not he IS your president too. Just as Mr. Clinton was mine. You may not like him. I really don't either. But I was taught by my parents to respect the president... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Stasyszen, Jerry whole blind support for the war in Iraq and a retarded president. That is what make you think Jerry _______________________________________________ carcentric at yahoo.com http://www.team.net/donate.html Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From james_v_laviana at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 18:19:43 2007 From: james_v_laviana at sbcglobal.net (Jim Laviana) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:19:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] GT6 overdrive switch Message-ID: <168635.48824.qm@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe the overdrive wasn't a popular item on the GT6, but in keeping with originality, my friend would like to use the shifter mounted switch as seen in John Thomasons' Triumph Spitfire and GT6 Guide to Originality. If anybody can locate one I would be greatful, Thanks. From jimmuller at rcn.com Thu Nov 8 18:27:11 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:27:11 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6 overdrive switch In-Reply-To: <168635.48824.qm@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4733711F.17457.10176AC@localhost> On 8 Nov 2007 at 17:19, Jim Laviana wrote: > Maybe the overdrive wasn't a popular item on the GT6, but in > keeping with originality, my friend would like to use the shifter > mounted switch as seen in John Thomasons' Triumph Spitfire and GT6 > Guide to Originality. If anybody can locate one I would be > greatful, Thanks. I don't have a copy of that book to make a comparison, but if it is the same in-the-shift-knob switch as on the Spitfire you can order one from Spitbits. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM From eric2000 at rogers.com Thu Nov 8 18:33:53 2007 From: eric2000 at rogers.com (ERIC TAYLOR) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:33:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor In-Reply-To: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F6E@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> Message-ID: <139841.7986.qm@web88111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Greg, The 123 unit is available at www.mgccars.com for US$375.00 and Severn Enterprises www.7ent.com for US$381.00/399.99. Cheers, Eric "~300 Euro, gotta love the current US > Euro exchange rate...NOT. ____________________________________________ eric2000 at rogers.com http://www.team.net/donate.html Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires From spitlist at cox.net Thu Nov 8 18:40:16 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:40:16 -0700 Subject: [Spits] GT6 overdrive switch In-Reply-To: <4733711F.17457.10176AC@localhost> References: <168635.48824.qm@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4733711F.17457.10176AC@localhost> Message-ID: <000b01c82271$7b198ce0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Since the GT6 Mk3 box is very much the same as the MkIV Spit box (with different gearing and input shaft) the Shift lever is interchangeable including the knob and OD switch. I don't have a know or knob bezel, but I do have a spare switch. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Muller Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:27 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] GT6 overdrive switch On 8 Nov 2007 at 17:19, Jim Laviana wrote: > Maybe the overdrive wasn't a popular item on the GT6, but in > keeping with originality, my friend would like to use the shifter > mounted switch as seen in John Thomasons' Triumph Spitfire and GT6 > Guide to Originality. If anybody can locate one I would be > greatful, Thanks. I don't have a copy of that book to make a comparison, but if it is the same in-the-shift-knob switch as on the Spitfire you can order one from Spitbits. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM _______________________________________________ spitlist at cox.net http://www.team.net/donate.html Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires From bill at gingerich.us Thu Nov 8 18:49:36 2007 From: bill at gingerich.us (Bill Gingerich) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:49:36 -0600 Subject: [Spits] GT6 overdrive switch In-Reply-To: <168635.48824.qm@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <168635.48824.qm@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c82272$c91f0a90$8ba5c6d8@shack2> Jim, I'm in the process of getting ready to add OD to my '74 Spitfire. It is setup the same way as the '73 GT6. There are a few more things that you'll need to find besides the switch. The switch itself is readily available. There is also a special shift knob body and top cover that the switch actually mounts in. Those can be harder to find, although a company in England is making reproductions. I don't remember who it is. There is also the hollow shift lever and wiring for the switch. Again, the wiring is easy to find, but the lever isn't. Hope this helps. Bill Gingerich Newalla, OK -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=gingerich.us at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Laviana Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:20 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] GT6 overdrive switch Maybe the overdrive wasn't a popular item on the GT6, but in keeping with originality, my friend would like to use the shifter mounted switch as seen in John Thomasons' Triumph Spitfire and GT6 Guide to Originality. If anybody can locate one I would be greatful, Thanks. From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Thu Nov 8 18:52:13 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor In-Reply-To: <20071108222444.B5CB0187A10@autox.team.net> References: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F6C@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> <20071108222444.B5CB0187A10@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <007401c82273$27a1d5c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> I was at SEMA last week and Petronics has a replacement distributor also.. For Lucas or Delco distributor cars. I didn't discuss details. Here's a discussion for an MGB: http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/ignition_woes/420002 Clark From mjb at autox.team.net Thu Nov 8 19:47:18 2007 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:47:18 -0700 Subject: [Spits] So it goes Message-ID: <4733CA36.2060605@autox.team.net> Quite some time ago I set up an email list ( http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/the-local ) intended for various random topics, like politics. Also set up the backfire forum at http://www.team.net/the-local for the same sort of purpose. But hey, after nearly two decades of running Team.Net I'm used to folks completely ignoring me, assuming that Team.Net just appears out of thin air by magic. Oh well, so it goes. mjb. From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Fri Nov 9 02:55:26 2007 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:55:26 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <389471.75182.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000d01c82226$647eeac0$3029c40a@mde.state.md.us> <389471.75182.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f301c822b6$a77da240$f678e6c0$@com> Doug, I'm from Germany and refuse to get lumped together with Italians drive-wise. People living in Italy (and some other [mostly southern] European countries) have another idea of what a red signal light means than we do. The right of way there is defined by the sound intensity of one's signal horn. In Germany every car has to pass a technical examination every two years and many cars find their life's end during this examination. Not so in Italy, Greece, .... Eric, Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: spitfires-bounces+lists=brits-n-pieces.com at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+lists=brits-n-pieces.com at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Doug Braun Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2007 18:38 An: spitfires Betreff: Re: [Spits] Gas Prices Another info-tidbit on the USA vs. Europe driving thing: My wife's aunt and uncle recently visited the USA for the first time. He's from Greece and she's from Germany, and they live in Greece but often drive back and forth to Germany (via Italy) to visit their daughter. While whey were here, they drove from New Jersey to Washington DC, then to Niagara Falls, and back to NJ. So that are in a good position to compare USA vs Europe driving, roads, etc. They enjoyed the trip a lot, and one of their most interesting observations was that during their travels they did not pass any serious crashes (i.e. involving ambulances, etc.). Driving a similar distance in Germany or Italy, they would have expected to see one or two. Doug Braun '72 Spit From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Fri Nov 9 03:04:41 2007 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:04:41 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor In-Reply-To: <966699.37865.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F6E@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> <966699.37865.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f601c822b7$f22527e0$d66f77a0$@com> Doug, Greg, Patrick and all, this may be a shameless self-promotion and I've already put my flame suit on, but we have a solution for the 123ignition without converting the Triumph sixes tachometers to electronic. Check out this page: http://brits-n-pieces.com/shop/product_info.php/info/p7296 If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on or off list. Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com Doug Braun wrote: You will have to use an electronic tach with those distributors. Doug --- "Tobin, Greg" wrote: > Has anyone out there tried this ignition setup on a > MKIV? The Mallory seems > pricy for a simple points-replacement unit (let > alone the unilite), and though > I like the stock setup with an MSD 7 amplifier box > under the dash, I'm really > looking to clean up the whole install, this looks to > be the nice setup. From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Fri Nov 9 03:10:56 2007 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:10:56 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <01e201c82255$a026efd0$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <01e201c82255$a026efd0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <00f901c822b8$d2211750$766345f0$@com> Jonmac, but what has cox to do with politics and religion? Eric So, one has touched on politics, now religion - so it only leaves **x to be reviewed. Jonmac _______________________________________________ lists at brits-n-pieces.com http://www.team.net/donate.html Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires From ptegler at cablespeed.com Fri Nov 9 16:43:59 2007 From: ptegler at cablespeed.com (ptegler at cablespeed.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:43:59 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices References: <000d01c82226$647eeac0$3029c40a@mde.state.md.us><389471.75182.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00f301c822b6$a77da240$f678e6c0$@com> Message-ID: <006601c8232a$6ac98750$0201a8c0@dragonlair> heck...there are U.S. states/counties that require safety/emissions inspections twice per YEAR! :-) ...it still doesn't stop the idiot behind the wheel. Paul Tegler ptegler at cablespeed.com www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)" To: "'Doug Braun'" ; "'spitfires'" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Spits] Gas Prices > Doug, I'm from Germany and refuse to get lumped together with Italians > drive-wise. People living in Italy (and some other [mostly southern] > European countries) have another idea of what a red signal light means > than > we do. The right of way there is defined by the sound intensity of one's > signal horn. > > In Germany every car has to pass a technical examination every two years > and > many cars find their life's end during this examination. Not so in Italy, > Greece, .... > > Eric, Germany From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Nov 9 05:08:48 2007 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:08:48 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices References: <01e201c82255$a026efd0$0201a8c0@Bevan> <00f901c822b8$d2211750$766345f0$@com> Message-ID: <023701c822c9$499b6230$0201a8c0@Bevan> Ah, what a good 'play on words' !!! :) Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)" To: "'John Macartney'" ; "'Stasyszen, Jerry'" ; "'SpitfirePat'" ; "'spitfires'" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Spits] Gas Prices > Jonmac, but what has cox to do with politics and religion? > > Eric > > > So, one has touched on politics, now religion - so it only leaves **x to be > reviewed. > > Jonmac > _______________________________________________ > lists at brits-n-pieces.com > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Nov 9 06:38:13 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:38:13 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <00f301c822b6$a77da240$f678e6c0$@com> References: <389471.75182.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47341C75.32543.39EC041@localhost> On 9 Nov 2007 at 10:55, Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) wrote: > People living in Italy (and some other [mostly southern] > European countries) have another idea of what a red signal > light means than we do. Do your "we" include Bostonians? -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 5:55 PM From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Nov 9 06:38:14 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:38:14 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <00f901c822b8$d2211750$766345f0$@com> References: <01e201c82255$a026efd0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <47341C76.5616.39EC0CD@localhost> On 9 Nov 2007 at 11:10, Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) wrote: > Jonmac, but what has cox to do with politics and religion? Now all we need is drugs and rock&roll. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 5:55 PM From doug at dougbraun.com Fri Nov 9 06:44:19 2007 From: doug at dougbraun.com (doug at dougbraun.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:44:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices Message-ID: <645703.76644.qm@web604.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And there are some that do not EVER require a safety/technical inspection, like California. And I never heard of any assertions that it was responsible for an increase in accident rates. In most of the USA, I think a government policy of detailed, frequent inspections of relatively new cars is a waste of time and money. It would be like making everyone getting a MRI or colonoscopy every year in an attempt to reduce cancer. A one-minute check for bald tires is the only thing that probably makes sense. Maybe i a country where everyone drives beaters, inspections would probably be more useful. I have driven a lot in Greece over the last 15 years, and I have noticed that on the average, the cars have gotten much newer and nicer. There used to be a lot of old Ladas, etc. on the road, but now you see a normal-looking mix of late-model European and Japanese cars. When i have seen an accident, it has just as likely been a big late-model BMW as an old Skoda. That's because the BMW owner likes to drive on the highway at 180 km... Doug > heck...there are U.S. states/counties that require safety/emissions > inspections twice per YEAR! :-) > ...it still doesn't stop the idiot behind the wheel. > > > > > In Germany every car has to pass a technical examination every > two > years > > and > > many cars find their life's end during this examination. Not so > in > Italy, > > Greece, .... From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Fri Nov 9 06:44:31 2007 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:44:31 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <47341C75.32543.39EC041@localhost> References: <389471.75182.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47341C75.32543.39EC041@localhost> Message-ID: <013a01c822d6$a8293e00$f87bba00$@com> If you(?) would like to be included, yes! Eric -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: spitfires-bounces+lists=brits-n-pieces.com at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+lists=brits-n-pieces.com at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jim Muller Gesendet: Freitag, 9. November 2007 14:38 An: spitfires at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Spits] Gas Prices On 9 Nov 2007 at 10:55, Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) wrote: > People living in Italy (and some other [mostly southern] > European countries) have another idea of what a red signal > light means than we do. Do your "we" include Bostonians? -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From doug at dougbraun.com Fri Nov 9 06:48:11 2007 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:48:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <47341C75.32543.39EC041@localhost> Message-ID: <230778.61170.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I drove in Boston last week, for the first time in several years. I think they've mellowed out quite a bit recently. Maybe the fact that they finally finished the Big Dig has made them drive more relaxed? Doug --- Jim Muller wrote: > On 9 Nov 2007 at 10:55, Brits'n'Pieces (Eric > Frenken) wrote: > > > People living in Italy (and some other [mostly > southern] > > European countries) have another idea of what a > red signal > > light means than we do. > > Do your "we" include Bostonians? From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 07:34:22 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Gas Prices References: <230778.61170.qm@web613.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c822dd$9f023d20$2d02a8c0@Belkin> It has nothing to do with the completion of the big dig. In fact that may have actually added to the problem since people driving into the tunnels often get distracted by stuff falling off the ceiling. I think it has more to do with the Red Sox winning the world series twice in a decade after such a long wait. The monkey is now off their backs so the population is now much more "mellow" :) Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Braun" To: ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Spits] Gas Prices > I drove in Boston last week, for the first time in > several years. I think they've mellowed out quite a > bit recently. Maybe the fact that they finally > finished the Big Dig has made them drive more relaxed? > > Doug From smacsjunk at hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 08:47:40 2007 From: smacsjunk at hotmail.com (scotts junk) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:47:40 -0600 Subject: [Spits] spit suspension question Message-ID: I have a bone stock 68 Mk3 Spit and would like, at some point, to upgrade the suspension. Nothing radical, just enough to rein in the rear wheel jacking and perhaps pick up a bit of grip. It will see predominantly street us with perhaps an occasional forray onto the slalom course (just so the youngsters in theirMR2s and WRXs have something to chuckle at). Here's what I've been thinking of doing: 1)change front anti roll bar to late model 7/8"2)pick up a swing spring for the rear. Now here's the question: is it possible to swap the bottom (fixed)leaf on the swing spring for the shorter bottom leaf taken from the its current spring, allowing me to keep the axles that are on the car, or do I need to look for a set of long axles to go with the swing spring? I'd like to keep it as simple and inexpensive as possible. Have looked at adding a camber compensator, butprefer the reduced rear roll stiffness of the swing spring and its simplicity. Comments please. cheers Scott _________________________________________________________________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 09:42:09 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question References: Message-ID: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Having tried both the camber compensator and the swing-spring on my Mk1, I can truthfully say that the swing-spring leaves much to be desired. Apparently Triumph thought so too because after they tried it on early MkIV's, they lengthened the axles to drastically induce a lot of negative camber. I think that in itself did more to controlling the problems with the suspension than the swing-spring itself. One additional thing that I have discovered is that by decreasing the roll stiffness, you get a huge amount of body roll that I find to be counter-productive. The camber compensator controlls the wheel tuck and makes the handling much nicer and most importantly, SAFER. While many people like the swing spring option, it will eventually end up with a sagging rear suspension due to the weaker springs that are used (fewer leaves). To get the full effect of the swing spring will require replacing the axles as well as the spring components and that starts to get into some really big bucks and makes the camber compensator a much more affordable option. Joe Curry ----- Original Message ----- From: "scotts junk" To: ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [TR] spit suspension question > I have a bone stock 68 Mk3 Spit and would like, at some point, to upgrade the > suspension. Nothing radical, just enough to rein in the rear wheel jacking > and perhaps pick up a bit of grip. It will see predominantly street us with > perhaps an occasional forray onto the slalom course (just so the youngsters in > theirMR2s and WRXs have something to chuckle at). Here's what I've been > thinking of doing: 1)change front anti roll bar to late model 7/8"2)pick up a > swing spring for the rear. > Now here's the question: is it possible to swap the bottom (fixed)leaf on the > swing spring for the shorter bottom leaf taken from the its current spring, > allowing me to keep the axles that are on the car, or do I need to look for a > set of long axles to go with the swing spring? I'd like to keep it as simple > and inexpensive as possible. Have looked at adding a camber compensator, > butprefer the reduced rear roll stiffness of the swing spring and its > simplicity. > Comments please. > > cheers > Scott >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs From Greg.Tobin at trizetto.com Fri Nov 9 10:08:31 2007 From: Greg.Tobin at trizetto.com (Tobin, Greg) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:08:31 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor References: <966699.37865.qm@web607.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76185DFA41E4294AADE6D6E89110C2BA01453F74@den-tzg-exmb-08.corp.trizetto.com> Since I haven't had a tach drive in maybe 10 years (or more!), I'm not particularly concerned about it, though doing a tach conversion to electronic might be one of those rewards for me at some point. -greg ________________________________ From: Doug Braun [mailto:doug at dougbraun.com] Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 2:54 PM To: Tobin, Greg; Patrick Barber; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] Spitfire distributor- distributor You will have to use an electronic tach with those distributors. Doug --- "Tobin, Greg" wrote: > Has anyone out there tried this ignition setup on a > MKIV? The Mallory seems > pricy for a simple points-replacement unit (let > alone the unilite), and though > I like the stock setup with an MSD 7 amplifier box > under the dash, I'm really > looking to clean up the whole install, this looks to > be the nice setup. From JStasyszen at odmhsas.org Fri Nov 9 10:20:40 2007 From: JStasyszen at odmhsas.org (Stasyszen, Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:20:40 -0600 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Has anyone tried any other springs other than the stock spring that you can get from VB or other dealers? Heavy duty truck spring maybe? Heavy duty trailer spring? Just wonder. Jerry From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 10:39:05 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:39:05 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question References: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <006d01c822f7$6cd7af00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I have used a modified GT6 Spring with another heavy duty leaf added to increase the spring rate. But thatwas on a rotoflex car so it might not be applicable to your question. Are you asking about using it with the swing spring setup or with the original suspension setup? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stasyszen, Jerry" To: "Joe Curry" ; "scotts junk" ; ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Has anyone tried any other springs other than the stock spring that you can get from VB or other dealers? Heavy duty truck spring maybe? Heavy duty trailer spring? Just wonder. Jerry From JStasyszen at odmhsas.org Fri Nov 9 10:41:59 2007 From: JStasyszen at odmhsas.org (Stasyszen, Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:41:59 -0600 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <006d01c822f7$6cd7af00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <006d01c822f7$6cd7af00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Original setup on a 76 Spit -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:39 AM To: Stasyszen, Jerry; scotts junk; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question I have used a modified GT6 Spring with another heavy duty leaf added to increase the spring rate. But thatwas on a rotoflex car so it might not be applicable to your question. Are you asking about using it with the swing spring setup or with the original suspension setup? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stasyszen, Jerry" To: "Joe Curry" ; "scotts junk" ; ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Has anyone tried any other springs other than the stock spring that you can get from VB or other dealers? Heavy duty truck spring maybe? Heavy duty trailer spring? Just wonder. Jerry From JStasyszen at odmhsas.org Fri Nov 9 10:44:58 2007 From: JStasyszen at odmhsas.org (Stasyszen, Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:44:58 -0600 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <200711091731.lA9HVevw027497@respect.services.encs.concordia.ca> References: Your message of "Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:20:40 CST." <200711091731.lA9HVevw027497@respect.services.encs.concordia.ca> Message-ID: Fiberglass, that's odd, I wouldn't think a fiberglass spring would hold up any length of time, carbon fiber maybe but fiberglass. Amazing what they can come up with. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Chu [mailto:dave at encs.concordia.ca] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:32 AM To: Stasyszen, Jerry Cc: Joe Curry; scotts junk; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; dave at encs.concordia.ca Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question I remember a while back that there was a fiberglass spring that someone has put in. It was a single leaf fibergalss spring for late model corvett. Myabe someone else on the list with better memory can provide more info. In message you write: >Has anyone tried any other springs other than the stock spring that you can >get from VB or other dealers? Heavy duty truck spring maybe? Heavy duty >trailer spring? > >Just wonder. > >Jerry Dave |\ | | | _______________________________________/\ /\ /\_____| \|_____| |____________ Dave Chu \/ \/ | /| | | Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Eng. |/ | | | Concordia University (514)848-2424 Ext.3095 Fax:(514)848-2802 1455 de Maisonneuve W. H941 Email:dave at ece.concordia.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3G 1M8 http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~dave/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 11:18:20 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:18:20 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question References: <200711091731.lA9HVevw027497@respect.services.encs.concordia.ca> Message-ID: <000d01c822fc$e89f0de0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I think that was a guy named Loren (don't recall his last name). I don't remember seeing him on this list though, He is a regular contributer to the Totally Triumph Network Spitfire forum. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Chu" To: "Stasyszen, Jerry" Cc: "Joe Curry" ; "scotts junk" ; ; ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question > > I remember a while back that there was a fiberglass spring that someone > has put in. It was a single leaf fibergalss spring for late model > corvett. Myabe someone else on the list with better memory can provide > more info. > > In message you > write: > >Has anyone tried any other springs other than the stock spring that you can > >get from VB or other dealers? Heavy duty truck spring maybe? Heavy duty > >trailer spring? > > > >Just wonder. > > > >Jerry > > Dave |\ | | | > _______________________________________/\ /\ /\_____| \|_____| |____________ > Dave Chu \/ \/ | /| | | > Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Eng. |/ | | | > Concordia University (514)848-2424 Ext.3095 Fax:(514)848-2802 > 1455 de Maisonneuve W. H941 Email:dave at ece.concordia.ca > Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3G 1M8 http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~dave/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 11:21:27 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:21:27 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question References: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <006d01c822f7$6cd7af00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <001301c822fd$5842c420$2d02a8c0@Belkin> It would be difficult to do any ratically different changes to the swing spring without doing away with the rocker box (which is the key part that makes the thing work.. A much stiffer main leaf would increase roll stiffness and reduce the swing-spring effect. So I don't think that you can do much to that configuration to improve handling without defeating the design functionality of the concept. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stasyszen, Jerry" To: "Joe Curry" ; "scotts junk" ; ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Original setup on a 76 Spit -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:39 AM To: Stasyszen, Jerry; scotts junk; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question I have used a modified GT6 Spring with another heavy duty leaf added to increase the spring rate. But thatwas on a rotoflex car so it might not be applicable to your question. Are you asking about using it with the swing spring setup or with the original suspension setup? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stasyszen, Jerry" To: "Joe Curry" ; "scotts junk" ; ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Has anyone tried any other springs other than the stock spring that you can get from VB or other dealers? Heavy duty truck spring maybe? Heavy duty trailer spring? Just wonder. Jerry From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 11:22:19 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:22:19 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question References: Your message of "Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:20:40 CST." <200711091731.lA9HVevw027497@respect.services.encs.concordia.ca> Message-ID: <001901c822fd$7742dcc0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I beleave that modern Corvettes use fiberglass (or composite) springs of some sort. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stasyszen, Jerry" To: "Dave Chu" Cc: "Joe Curry" ; "scotts junk" ; ; Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Fiberglass, that's odd, I wouldn't think a fiberglass spring would hold up any length of time, carbon fiber maybe but fiberglass. Amazing what they can come up with. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Chu [mailto:dave at encs.concordia.ca] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:32 AM To: Stasyszen, Jerry Cc: Joe Curry; scotts junk; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; dave at encs.concordia.ca Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question I remember a while back that there was a fiberglass spring that someone has put in. It was a single leaf fibergalss spring for late model corvett. Myabe someone else on the list with better memory can provide more info. In message you write: >Has anyone tried any other springs other than the stock spring that you can >get from VB or other dealers? Heavy duty truck spring maybe? Heavy duty >trailer spring? > >Just wonder. > >Jerry Dave |\ | | | _______________________________________/\ /\ /\_____| \|_____| |____________ Dave Chu \/ \/ | /| | | Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Eng. |/ | | | Concordia University (514)848-2424 Ext.3095 Fax:(514)848-2802 1455 de Maisonneuve W. H941 Email:dave at ece.concordia.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3G 1M8 http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~dave/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ From buss3 at rogers.com Fri Nov 9 11:18:16 2007 From: buss3 at rogers.com (Grant Buss) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:18:16 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Differential Message-ID: <001401c822fc$e6453f60$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> Has anyone put an axial and differential from an S10 truck in a Spitfire? I am putting a V6 in and I need a stronger diff. From JStasyszen at odmhsas.org Fri Nov 9 11:22:07 2007 From: JStasyszen at odmhsas.org (Stasyszen, Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:22:07 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Differential In-Reply-To: <001401c822fc$e6453f60$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> References: <001401c822fc$e6453f60$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> Message-ID: I've seen Datsun Z Car differentials in Spit. They are fairly strong and still give you the independent suspension. -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+jstasyszen=odmhsas.org at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+jstasyszen=odmhsas.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Grant Buss Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:18 PM To: spitfires-list Subject: [Spits] Differential Has anyone put an axial and differential from an S10 truck in a Spitfire? I am putting a V6 in and I need a stronger diff. Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk Fri Nov 9 15:54:30 2007 From: bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk (Rarebits) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:54:30 -0000 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <001301c822fd$5842c420$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <20071109224611.9FEE11879CE@autox.team.net> Going off on a tangent here, has anyone experimented with the heavy duty Herald spring on a swing-spring Spitfire? This is an OE spring rated at 552lb/in, with a much reduced arch. On a Herald this is one of the most satisfactory routes to good handling, without the softness of the swing-spring solution. Never tried one on a Spitfire though, it may just be too firm for the weight of the car. There's an image of the HD spring against a regular Herald spring (270lb/in) here: http://www.rarebits4classics.co.uk/Herald_parts/Suspension/305686_1.JPG Cheers, Bill. Rarebits4classics .......just what you've been looking for PO Box 1232 Calne Wiltshire SN11 8WA United Kingdom http://www.rarebits4classics.co.uk From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 16:19:31 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <20071109224611.9FEE11879CE@autox.team.net> References: <001301c822fd$5842c420$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <20071109224611.9FEE11879CE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000601c82326$fb7000d0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Bill, Even with the Herald spring, you would need the camber compensator to get rid of the dreaded wheel tuck caused by unrestricted swing axles. A good number of the camber compensators I have sold are to Herald and Vitesse Owners who have all informed me of their amazement of how it improves the handling. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rarebits Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 3:55 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Going off on a tangent here, has anyone experimented with the heavy duty Herald spring on a swing-spring Spitfire? This is an OE spring rated at 552lb/in, with a much reduced arch. On a Herald this is one of the most satisfactory routes to good handling, without the softness of the swing-spring solution. Never tried one on a Spitfire though, it may just be too firm for the weight of the car. There's an image of the HD spring against a regular Herald spring (270lb/in) here: http://www.rarebits4classics.co.uk/Herald_parts/Suspension/305686_1.JPG Cheers, Bill. Rarebits4classics .......just what you've been looking for PO Box 1232 Calne Wiltshire SN11 8WA United Kingdom http://www.rarebits4classics.co.uk Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From cat_tail at comcast.net Fri Nov 9 16:31:25 2007 From: cat_tail at comcast.net (Rick deOlazarra) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:31:25 +0000 Subject: [Spits] 74 Spitfire For Sale Message-ID: <110920072331.20327.4734EDCD000E730300004F67221348437304070E9BA19B0E0C@comcast.net> 74 Spitfire for sale; $6,000. Second owner. $17,000 invested. Pictures on request. Located in San Francisco bay area. E-mail to cat_tail at comcast.net. From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Nov 9 18:10:01 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:10:01 -0500 Subject: [Spits] [TR] Engine noise B-25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4734BE99.29700.6181A0B@localhost> On 9 Nov 2007 at 8:49, Geo & Kathleen Hahn wrote: > I have a distinct memory that when I was about 4 years old I > saw Superman fly over. My Spitfire flies low quite often, usually so low that the wheels actually touch the ground. The GT6 makes more noise though. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 5:55 PM From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Nov 9 18:30:02 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:30:02 -0500 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4734C34A.3480.62A705F@localhost> On 9 Nov 2007 at 9:42, Joe Curry wrote: > To get the full effect of the swing spring will require > replacing the axles as well as the spring components and that > starts to get into some really big bucks and makes the camber > compensator a much more affordable option. Don't forget too that when BL added the swing-spring they also increased the stiffness of the front (anti)sway bar. It principle this combination should solve the tuck-under problem but increase understeer, thus decreasing the ultimate lateral g's you can obtain. I kinda' like the feel of my Spitfire's stock suspension, slightly sagging at the rear, but then, I gave up worrying about ultimate lateral g's a long time ago. If I ain't competin' then it don't really matter. Your mileage will certainly vary... Tomorrow we're gonna' terrorize farm stands with the GT6, the Lord willin' and the creek don't rise. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 5:55 PM From ZoboHerald at aol.com Fri Nov 9 18:40:27 2007 From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:40:27 EST Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/2007 8:30:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimmuller at rcn.com writes: Don't forget too that when BL added the swing-spring they also increased the stiffness of the front (anti)sway bar. It principle this combination should solve the tuck-under problem but increase understeer, thus decreasing the ultimate lateral g's you can obtain. ==AM== As I understand it, the much lower roll resistance in the rear due to the swing spring created a tendency towards OVERSTEER, for which the fatter front anti-sway bar compensated. Overall, I don't think understeer increased compared to the earlier cars. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ZoboHerald at aol.com Fri Nov 9 18:45:44 2007 From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:45:44 EST Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/2007 5:45:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk writes: Going off on a tangent here, has anyone experimented with the heavy duty Herald spring on a swing-spring Spitfire? This is an OE spring rated at 552lb/in, with a much reduced arch. On a Herald this is one of the most satisfactory routes to good handling, without the softness of the swing-spring solution. Never tried one on a Spitfire though, it may just be too firm for the weight of the car. There's an image of the HD spring against a regular Herald spring (270lb/in) here: http://www.rarebits4classics.co.uk/Herald_parts/Suspension/305686_1.JPG ==AM== Bill, is that heavy-duty Herald spring in any way similar to what most of the Works Spitfires used? I seem to recall that the Le Mans cars in particular used extremely stiff, dearched rear springs. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 18:55:13 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <4734C34A.3480.62A705F@localhost> References: <004601c822ef$78aa1640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <4734C34A.3480.62A705F@localhost> Message-ID: <001201c8233c$bb9c1f00$2202a8c0@newcomputer> I am certainly not forgetting that. But the increase in the sway bar was an effort to compensate for the decrease in rear roll stiffness. Joe -----Original Message----- Don't forget too that when BL added the swing-spring they also increased the stiffness of the front (anti)sway bar. It principle this combination should solve the tuck-under problem but increase understeer, thus decreasing the ultimate lateral g's you can obtain. I kinda' like the feel of my Spitfire's stock suspension, slightly sagging at the rear, but then, I gave up worrying about ultimate lateral g's a long time ago. If I ain't competin' then it don't really matter. Your mileage will certainly vary... Tomorrow we're gonna' terrorize farm stands with the GT6, the Lord willin' and the creek don't rise. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Nov 9 19:09:23 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <001201c8233c$bb9c1f00$2202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <4734C34A.3480.62A705F@localhost> Message-ID: <4734CC83.9085.64E7387@localhost> On 9 Nov 2007 at 18:55, Joe Curry wrote: > But the increase in the sway bar was an effort to compensate for > the decrease in rear roll stiffness. Which is exactly why I brought it up. It is yet one more necessary thing that that fellow has to change if he wants to go to a swing- spring. BL did it for a reason and so must everyone else too. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 5:55 PM From spitlist at cox.net Fri Nov 9 19:32:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <4734CC83.9085.64E7387@localhost> References: <4734C34A.3480.62A705F@localhost> <4734CC83.9085.64E7387@localhost> Message-ID: <001301c82341$f8407780$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Exactly! So adding it all up, just weighs more heavily on the conclusion that putting a swing spring on an early spit in opposition to a camber compensator is not an economically sound decision. Thanks for that observation. Joe -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Muller Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:09 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question On 9 Nov 2007 at 18:55, Joe Curry wrote: > But the increase in the sway bar was an effort to compensate for > the decrease in rear roll stiffness. Which is exactly why I brought it up. It is yet one more necessary thing that that fellow has to change if he wants to go to a swing- spring. BL did it for a reason and so must everyone else too. From thomas309 at aol.com Sat Nov 10 01:09:34 2007 From: thomas309 at aol.com (thomas309 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:09:34 EST Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question Message-ID: How about this...? _http://flex-a-form.com/_ (http://flex-a-form.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk Sat Nov 10 02:15:43 2007 From: bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk (Rarebits) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:15:43 -0000 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <000601c82326$fb7000d0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <20071110090720.066A61879E5@autox.team.net> > From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > > Even with the Herald spring, you would need the camber compensator to get > rid of the dreaded wheel tuck caused by unrestricted swing axles. Hi Joe, That's really not the case with the HD spring. I have driven Courier Vans extensively and found that in standard well maintained trim, they will out handle most equivalents with trick suspension. > A good > number of the camber compensators I have sold are to Herald and Vitesse > Owners who have all informed me of their amazement of how it improves the > handling. Bear in mind that the 552lb/in spring has been unavailable for 30+ years, and even then few Herald owners are aware of it's existence. Cheers, Bill. Rarebits4classics .......just what you've been looking for PO Box 1232 Calne Wiltshire SN11 8WA United Kingdom http://www.rarebits4classics.co.uk From bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk Sat Nov 10 02:20:45 2007 From: bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk (Rarebits) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:20:45 -0000 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071110091220.AF6D31879BF@autox.team.net> > From: ZoboHerald at aol.com [mailto:ZoboHerald at aol.com] > > ==AM== > Bill, is that heavy-duty Herald spring in any way similar to what most of > the Works Spitfires used? I seem to recall that the Le Mans cars in > particular used extremely stiff, dearched rear springs. Hi Andy, With out reference to a spec for the Spitfire race spring, I wouldn't want to presume they are common. Part number for the Courier spring is 305686. I used to know a guy who claimed to have a works race spring on the back of his Spitfire Mk3, and he often compared it to the Courier part. He was however, noted for embellishing the truth, so I am somewhat doubtful that all was what he claimed...... Cheers, Bill. Rarebits4classics .......just what you've been looking for PO Box 1232 Calne Wiltshire SN11 8WA United Kingdom http://www.rarebits4classics.co.uk From maya2blue at juno.com Sat Nov 10 07:10:08 2007 From: maya2blue at juno.com (Harve Thorn) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:10:08 -0600 Subject: [Spits] size of hardtop mounting bolts? Message-ID: <20071110.081008.3216.2.maya2blue@juno.com> Can anyone tell me (or tell me where to find) the actual size of the two bolts that pass through the windscreen and screw into the captured nuts in the hardtop? I would guess that they are about 2 inches long and maybe 5/16 UNF but I need to know for certain. Many tks.. Harve NASS #79 From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 10 08:22:44 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:22:44 -0700 Subject: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question In-Reply-To: <20071110090642.IRZW1381.fed1rmmtai112.cox.net@fed1rmimpi04.cox.net> References: <000601c82326$fb7000d0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> <20071110090642.IRZW1381.fed1rmmtai112.cox.net@fed1rmimpi04.cox.net> Message-ID: <000901c823ad$8b4ca6f0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> You are probably right, based on the fact that I have little or no experience with those particular springs. But as I stated earlier, all the People who I have sold Camber Compensators to have been very enthusiastic about the effect it has on their handling. In one particular case, It is on a Herald Estate wagon and the results in an autocross are very noticeable. Going back to something that Andy Mace said, I too wonder if those were the springs used on the Works Lemans Spitfires. It seems that people racing early Spits are typically using extremely stiff dearched springs with the cars greatly lowered. There is a noticeable negative camber and in those situations, they don't seem to have the wheel Tuck" problem. So it gives credence to your supposition. Cheers, Joe -----Original Message----- From: Rarebits [mailto:bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:16 AM To: 'Joe Curry'; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Spits] [TR] spit suspension question > From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > > Even with the Herald spring, you would need the camber compensator to get > rid of the dreaded wheel tuck caused by unrestricted swing axles. Hi Joe, That's really not the case with the HD spring. I have driven Courier Vans extensively and found that in standard well maintained trim, they will out handle most equivalents with trick suspension. > A good > number of the camber compensators I have sold are to Herald and Vitesse > Owners who have all informed me of their amazement of how it improves the > handling. Bear in mind that the 552lb/in spring has been unavailable for 30+ years, and even then few Herald owners are aware of it's existence. Cheers, Bill. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 10 17:03:27 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Spits] Oil Shortage, smoil shortage, This is a crisis! Message-ID: <000901c823f6$4a0a5fe0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004004989_webbeers hort09.html From maya2blue at juno.com Sat Nov 10 17:28:59 2007 From: maya2blue at juno.com (Harve Thorn) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:28:59 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Help with hardtop!! Please!!! Message-ID: <20071110.182859.3188.0.maya2blue@juno.com> Okay ... I give!! It is my first time to try to put the factory hardtop on. I have fought with this thing for the last week. I have the "right" bolts all around. I cannot get the @#^ windscreen bolts started when the hardtop is in place. Off of the car, yes.. I can - not a problem. The threads are clean and the bolt threads right on. I have tried threading the rear two bolts and they work just fine. It's the &^%$##&^% front bolts!!! I bought longer bolts - just to be able to align the thing. I can't get THOSE to screw in when the top in on the car. Help~!!! Please!!!! Harve NASS #79 From dhlocker at comcast.net Sat Nov 10 18:07:19 2007 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:07:19 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Help with hardtop!! Please!!! In-Reply-To: <20071110.182859.3188.0.maya2blue@juno.com> References: <20071110.182859.3188.0.maya2blue@juno.com> Message-ID: <473655C7.3070106@comcast.net> Is the body maybe sagged a bit (or even a lot?) If so, the top of the windscreen will be further aft than the H/T expects and the bolts won't find the nuts. Try a little jacking under the rear of the doors (raise both sides equally about an inch or two) and see if that improves the situation. HTH, Donald. Harve Thorn wrote: > Okay ... I give!! > > It is my first time to try to put the factory hardtop on. > > I have fought with this thing for the last week. I have the "right" bolts > all around. I cannot get the @#^ windscreen bolts started when the > hardtop is in place. Off of the car, yes.. I can - not a problem. The > threads are clean and the bolt threads right on. I have tried threading > the rear two bolts and they work just fine. > > It's the &^%$##&^% front bolts!!! > > I bought longer bolts - just to be able to align the thing. I can't get > THOSE to screw in when the top in on the car. > > > Help~!!! Please!!!! > > > Harve > NASS #79 From frankd8000 at comcast.net Sat Nov 10 18:15:09 2007 From: frankd8000 at comcast.net (Frank Drummond) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Help with hardtop!! Please!!! References: <20071110.182859.3188.0.maya2blue@juno.com> Message-ID: <000801c82400$4e4f29f0$670aa8c0@frankdesktop> Harve, Here is the secret that I discovered with mounting the factory hardtop on my 72 Spitfire. The car starts to sag in the middle from metal fatigue after all these years. Not much, but enough for the distance between the rear holes on the car and the holes over the windscreen to shorten. As a result, the holes no longer line up with the hardtop. The solution, place a bottle jack under the frame rails midway between the wheels on both sides of the car. As you jack up each side evenly, the weight of the end of the car that is heaviest will cause the car to lose its sag and the distance between the front and back holes will lengthen allowing you to get the bolts started. Do it carefully, remembering to block both the front and back wheels since depending on jack placement either the front or back wheels will start to leave the ground. Good luck. Frank Drummond From carcentric at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 21:27:13 2007 From: carcentric at yahoo.com (M D Nugent) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:27:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Squaretail Spit ground clearance Message-ID: <314565.19557.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If several of you could provide some info, I'd appreciate seeing what the range is. 1. Clearance between front crossmember (just behind the steering rack) and the ground. 2. Size of front tires. 3. If other than stock springs, etc., please note what you're using. Thanks, M D "Doc" Nugent - www.carcentric.com Seattle area Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ptegler at cablespeed.com Mon Nov 12 10:39:26 2007 From: ptegler at cablespeed.com (ptegler at cablespeed.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:39:26 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Squaretail Spit ground clearance References: <314565.19557.qm@web33707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018b01c82552$fc366b70$0201a8c0@dragonlair> Carrera 3323's (adjustable lower spring perches) I measure ground clearances from the rear lower a-arm inner pivot bolt center line. It's an easy place to take measurements from. I set all my Spits/GT6's so the lower a-arms are horizontal to the ground and level. That put the bolt CL at 6.25" and the frame edge (right in the same place) at 5" This is with 175-70 13's Paul Tegler ptegler at cablespeed.com www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M D Nugent" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: [Spits] Squaretail Spit ground clearance > If several of you could provide some info, I'd appreciate seeing what the > range is. > > 1. Clearance between front crossmember (just behind the steering rack) and > the ground. > 2. Size of front tires. > 3. If other than stock springs, etc., please note what you're using. > > Thanks, > M D "Doc" Nugent - www.carcentric.com > Seattle area From r.gosling at penspen.com Mon Nov 12 03:53:05 2007 From: r.gosling at penspen.com (Gosling, Richard) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:53:05 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Help with hardtop!! Please!!! References: <20071110.182859.3188.0.maya2blue@juno.com> Message-ID: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF785@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com> I found with my hard-top that, with the rear edge lined up and resting in the right place, the front edge didn't sit properly on the windscreen, it rose up a bit, because the windscreen was a bit too far back. By leaning my weight on the hardtop, while pushing FIRMLY forwards on the top of the windscreen, it would suddenly pop down in place - easier with one person each side, but with practice I could do it on my own. Once it had popped into place it would hold there on its own, and the bolts would go in no problem. This was for a square-tail - don't know if it's different on a round-tail. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. 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The following UK companies within the Penspen Group and any electronic communication sent on behalf of any of them, are subject to the provisions of the UK Companies Act 1985; PENSPEN HOLDINGS LIMITED (Company Number : 980600) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) PENSPEN LIMITED (Company Number: 584446) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 239 7770 19) (Unipen, Penspen Integrity and Andrew Palmer & Associates are operating divisions of Penspen Limited and Spencer & Partners and Pencol are trade names of Penspen Limited) MANCHESTER JETLINE LIMITED (Company Number: 2392093) Registered Office: 3 Water Lane, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1TJ Registered in England and Wales (VAT No; 537 8635 08) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Tue Nov 13 16:06:06 2007 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:06:06 -0000 Subject: [Spits] Jonmac is Stateside bound! Message-ID: <015901c82649$c609ac90$0201a8c0@Bevan> Well, not just yet - but definitely in 2009. This is now official, though its already appeared in November's Triumph World. It'll also appear in November's The Vintage Triumph. After the better part of a year emailing Glenn Merrell, Blake Discher and Fred Thomas, the Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 really is going to happen and I'm so looking forward to meeting as many of you as I can. I've set aside three months to do the trip as this is the maximum amount of time that Uncle Sam will give me a visa - and I intend to visit Canada as well, so don't you of Her Majesty's 'colonists' north of the border start getting upset about being left out :) So here's the story. If you click on www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk you'll read almost everything there is to say about the event at this stage. We've got a *provisional* Start point in Maine (which may have to be changed and a definite Finish at Triumphest/North American Triumph Challenge on 30th September 2009 at San Luis Obispo, California. Where we go in between those two places is anyone's guess and this is something that has to be worked out pretty fast as there is much else to do. Two 'Works' cars will be taking part. One will be a Stag that Glenn Merrell is currently trying to source in the States and the other will hopefully be my own 2.5PI that will be coming all the way from this mudpatch on the eastern Atlantic - and will then come home at the end, providing it doesn't get totalled! I know its daft bringing my own car - but she means so much. After all, we've been together now for eight long years and 2009 will be her 39th birthday! I just hope the non-compensatable altitude injection system will cope with the Rockies. We'll have a Bosch fuel pump down at the back doing the work - and no, I don't have any AC in the car either. When you go to the website (which is really a 'Blog') click on STAY INFORMED and this will open a mail list you can subscribe to. This means that once your subscription is in and registered, I can keep everyone updated with progress on different fronts by email which saves you going back to check the web. For the record, I'm undertaking this Run entirely to raise funds in equal parts for one American, one British and one Canadian Charity specialising in helping those with post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). I want to raise at least US$100,000 for each charity and I really hope that as many of you as possible will join in with me to try and make this a reality. Its important to stress that I don't plan or intend to make a dime out of this. All I want is to have fun. Please look at the site because I hope it will answer a lot of FAQ's but if not, please email me direct and off-list. Heaven help you guys and gals. Macartney is finally preparing to hit North America after too many years of declined invitations. Cheers, Jonmac From buss3 at rogers.com Thu Nov 15 08:36:09 2007 From: buss3 at rogers.com (Grant Buss) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Door opening support Message-ID: <000901c8279d$3ee98820$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> I am getting ready to take the body off the frame. Where do I attach a rod that will stop the door opening from closing up? One end attaches to the place where the frame for the top attaches, behind the door. Where do you attach it at the front of the door?? Thanks for any help. Grant Buss Oshawa Ontario NASS# 488 '78 Spitfire 1500 '79 Spitfire 1500 Project From stiker2126 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 10:47:23 2007 From: stiker2126 at yahoo.com (Henry Stike) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Door opening support In-Reply-To: <000901c8279d$3ee98820$6500a8c0@FUNPLACE> Message-ID: <599929.13306.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Some peeps temp weld a bar in the interior... there were some pics somewhere ..... can't remember where I saw them Donald --- Grant Buss wrote: > I am getting ready to take the body off the frame. > Where do I attach a rod > that will stop the door opening from closing up? One > end attaches to the place > where the frame for the top attaches, behind the > door. Where do you attach it > at the front of the door?? > > Thanks for any help. > Grant Buss > Oshawa Ontario > NASS# 488 > '78 Spitfire 1500 > '79 Spitfire 1500 Project > _______________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From jbaustian at cox.net Fri Nov 16 12:11:10 2007 From: jbaustian at cox.net (Jim Baustian) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:11:10 -0600 Subject: [Spits] GT6+ - rotoflex rear axles Message-ID: <83C04987-E4B7-46F2-862E-D6CFD008458E@cox.net> I need a workable sequence for the installation of the rear suspension components of our GT6+. This car was dismantled some time ago to replace some of the large bolts and the related "seals". The limited reference material that is available so far is of little help. Brief outlines or suggestions for repair manuals would be greatly appreciated. (I have the spring bar detailed in the factory manual) Jim Baustian From hupshall at triumphcars.com Fri Nov 16 14:19:57 2007 From: hupshall at triumphcars.com (Huw Upshall) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:19:57 -0800 Subject: [Spits] FW: Triumph Spitfire 1500 CRX 144V Message-ID: Please contact Geoff at woodroffe at btinternet.com for more info -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Woodroffe [mailto:woodroffe at btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:31 AM To: Huw Upshall Subject: Triumph Spitfire 1500 CRX 144V Dear Mr Hupshall My son has a Triumph Spitfire 1500 which has been off the road and in my lock up garage since 1994. The body work is in good condition. The recorded mileage is 97193. The colour is orangey red and the car was completely resprayed by Paynes of Iver in 1988. A new hood was fitted in 1996. The car was first registered in 1979. The last MOT was in April 1993. Do you know anyone who might be interested in it? Thanks in advance for your help. Geoff Woodroffe Tel: 01753 xxxxxx. From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Nov 16 20:18:39 2007 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:18:39 -0500 Subject: [Spits] GT6+ - rotoflex rear axles In-Reply-To: <83C04987-E4B7-46F2-862E-D6CFD008458E@cox.net> Message-ID: <473E173F.23765.2A9A0D38@localhost> On 16 Nov 2007 at 13:11, Jim Baustian wrote: > I need a workable sequence for the installation of the rear > suspension components of our GT6+. Are the rotoflex couplings in place on the axles? Inotherwords, are the axle assemblies complete units? 'Cuz I can't tell you how to re- assemble them. Is the diff in place and the spring bolted down? If not, bolt the diff to the frame first, both front and rear attachments. Then slide the spring into its cavity and bolt the spring down to the top of the diff. A Spitfire has an access plate behind the seats to let you bolt the spring to the diff. If the GT6 doesn't or if you have trouble getting the diff studs through the holes in the spring, you may have to support the diff on a jack, unbolt it from the frame, then lower it enough to get the spring installed. On a Spitfire at least this is not a problem. I don't think the order of re-assembly of everything else is especially important. Put the vertical struts in place and bolt them lightly into the spring eyes. On a Spitfire you then just bolt up the u-joints to the diff. On a GT6+ it is probably best to do this before installing the lower A-arms. IIRC, on my Spitfire's last rear end disassembly I bolted the trailing arms to the vertical struts last. The spring is not under stress when both rear wheels are off the ground so the biggest problem with re-assembly is aligning bolt holes between bushing and brackets. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM From elliottr at rmi.net Sat Nov 17 13:33:37 2007 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:33:37 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler Message-ID: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> I have heard of troubles with the adapters for screw on oil filters leaking. Do the adapters for using an oil cooler have the same problem? Thanks, Roger Elliott 1980 Spitfire From parrotthead01 at comcast.net Sat Nov 17 13:37:03 2007 From: parrotthead01 at comcast.net (Daniel parrott) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:37:03 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> References: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> Message-ID: <001b01c82959$9d7c3410$d8749c30$@net> I have a 1980 Spit with both an adaptor for a screw-on oil filter and a oil cooler. I haven't had any oil leaking problem (at that location, at least). Dan Parrott 1980 Triumph Spitfire "PJ" Savannah, Ga -----Original Message----- From: spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:spitfires-bounces+parrotthead01=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:34 PM To: spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler I have heard of troubles with the adapters for screw on oil filters leaking. Do the adapters for using an oil cooler have the same problem? Thanks, Roger Elliott 1980 Spitfire Spitfires at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires http://www.team.net/archive From cwn.fot at cwnicholls.net Sat Nov 17 13:43:24 2007 From: cwn.fot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:43:24 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> References: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> Message-ID: <000d01c8295a$8227c8e0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> I have never heard (nor had experience) of the adaptors for screw on oil filters leaking for a Spitfire engine. They have been in use since the '60s (is there any other type of oil filter for a spitfire other than screw on?) As long as the adaptor is in fully, the filter is on tight and the seal is intact it should never leak. Same criteria for the oil cooler adaptor and hoses. Clark From spitlist at cox.net Sat Nov 17 14:50:59 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:50:59 -0800 Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> Message-ID: <20071117165059.TD08P.67180.root@fed1wml06.mgt.cox.net> The adapters themselves shouldn't provide any major source of leakage but the input and output hoses do. There is very little room to run the hoses without contacting the shock towers. Anywhere there is contact is potentionally a source of wear and eventual leakage. Always buy the braided steel hoses because of this problem. Joe ---- Roger Elliott wrote: > I have heard of troubles with the adapters for screw on oil filters > leaking. > > Do the adapters for using an oil cooler have the same problem? > > Thanks, > Roger Elliott > 1980 Spitfire > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From cwn.fot at cwnicholls.net Sat Nov 17 14:56:27 2007 From: cwn.fot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:56:27 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <20071117165059.TD08P.67180.root@fed1wml06.mgt.cox.net> References: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> <20071117165059.TD08P.67180.root@fed1wml06.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <000e01c82964$b5df5540$1342a8c0@semperon3400> If you wish to see my cooler adaptor installation: http://www.cwnicholls.com/spitfire02.html I'm installing a thermostatic sandwich plate next season, bought on eBay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=2201 40213371 Clark From maya2blue at juno.com Sat Nov 17 19:40:08 2007 From: maya2blue at juno.com (Harve Thorn) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:40:08 -0600 Subject: [Spits] hardtop for spitfire - DONE Message-ID: <20071117.204008.5248.3.maya2blue@juno.com> Greetings all.. Many tks all of the tips and ideas that have been sent my way.. The hardtop is on!!!! I did not realize that the entire tub might change (sag!) it did. I have all but one bolt in.. the last one is the rear left. (on the back lip behind the driver) The front two, the side two and one of the back two are in and firm..... The last back one I cannot get started... Oh well... Finally figured out that I had to take "all" of the softtop off of the back edge in order to get it to work. Duh! Use Paul T's idea of a threaded rod and an acorn nut. worked just fine. I "may" try to use the original now that it is mostly on... OR I may just leave it like it is!! ( leaving it on sounds better and better! ) Looks like it will leak a bit.. I tried to pull everything down the same amount - even measured!! - but still have some gaps here and there. Oh well... It was when I measured that I realized how "out of straight" the entire thing was!!! Wow!! Anyway... thanks again to those that made suggestions. I appreciate the time you took to help me. If I ever get it "100%" I will let you know. And, as always, any other suggestions or tips are most welcome!! harve thorn nass #79 From v6spitfireguy at cox.net Sun Nov 18 05:25:32 2007 From: v6spitfireguy at cox.net (Barry Schwartz) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:25:32 Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <20071117165059.TD08P.67180.root@fed1wml06.mgt.cox.net> References: <473F5021.70600@rmi.net> Message-ID: <3.0.4.16.20071118052532.18e71ef2@pop.west.cox.net> I'm with Joe on this one - When I installed a cooler on the GT6 way back when, I originally did not use braided stainless hoses. It's amazing how fast that little pump can empty the contents of the sump through the tiny hole created by the hose rubbing against the unseen sharp edge on those towers!! Truly amazing and what a mess!! ****************original message***************** >The adapters themselves shouldn't provide any major source of leakage but the input and output hoses do. There is very little room to run the hoses without contacting the shock towers. Anywhere there is contact is potentionally a source of wear and eventual leakage. Always buy the braided steel hoses because of this problem. > Barry Schwartz La Mesa, CA (San Diego) From deaver_r at emagichappens.com Thu Nov 22 20:02:46 2007 From: deaver_r at emagichappens.com (Ronald R. Deaver, PMP, MCP) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:02:46 -0500 Subject: [Spits] [Spit] For Sale: 1980 Spitfire 1500, 85% restored Message-ID: <000001c82d7d$56f50800$6401a8c0@alicorn> Prolonged unemployment forces sale of my 1980 Spitfire 1500, which I have owned the last 8 years. Here are the basic stats: Car fully operational One small dent over driver-side door handle. 99.9% rust free - car was stored in the Eastern Washington Desert most of its life and only has 2 quarter-sized rust spots on the rear lower edge corners of the bonnet (very repairable). Russett Brown - Original paint in very good condition aside from fiberglass hard top seals and tarping during a cross-country move. Spare 1500 cc engine on stand Factory ragtop in excellent condition, plus aftermarket fiberglass hardtop. Fully rebuilt overdrive transmission New driveshaft and all new U-Joints, professionally balanced. Rebuilt differential New stock springs, front and rear New KBY Gas Shocks on all corners Monza exhaust Previous owner installed new engine, runs very well. HS4 carburetors, imported from Britain w/Britain intake manifold, freshly rebuilt by Joe Curto. K&N Air Filters installed. New electric fuel pump - trunk mounted. Good rubber all around, including new door seals. Many spare parts, including most of a non-overdrive transmission. Factory-original spare, never used, surprisingly in good shape. New brakes all around with stainless steel hoses. I am seeking $3000 or best offer. Car is garaged at my home in White Lake, MI (about halfway between Ann Arbor and Detroit. Photos available on request. Regards, Ron Deaver From cwn.fot at cwnicholls.net Thu Nov 22 20:29:15 2007 From: cwn.fot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:29:15 -0500 Subject: [Spits] For Sale: 1980 Spitfire 1500, 85% restored In-Reply-To: <000001c82d7d$56f50800$6401a8c0@alicorn> References: <000001c82d7d$56f50800$6401a8c0@alicorn> Message-ID: <000f01c82d81$077a0f10$1342a8c0@semperon3400> I'd post an ad on the VTR site, www.vtr.org Sounds like a real deal. Or wait till the VTR convention next August and sell it there... Details at the same site. Clark From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Fri Nov 23 03:39:33 2007 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:39:33 +0100 Subject: [Spits] Steering gear for Triumph Roadster 1800 Message-ID: <00b901c82dbd$22d0fe90$6872fbb0$@com> Hi, I'm in search of a steering gear or parts thereof of a Triumph Roadster 1800. If anybody can help me out I'd appreciate an offline reply. Thanks Eric From elliottr at rmi.net Fri Nov 23 13:34:40 2007 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:34:40 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Oil Cooler Size Message-ID: <47473960.2060201@rmi.net> Hi everyone. I asked a question about oil cooler adapters a couple of weeks ago and got some good answers. But I have another question. I am thinking of putting an oil cooler on my Spitfire because the oil pressure starts out at 60 and especially in warm weather seems to drop quite a bit. I am running 20w-50 oil. I do some spirited driving but no racing. Would a 10 or 13 row cooler help this? Any suggestions of which would be best? Ted S recommended a remote filter instead of the sandwich style takeoff. Has anyone done this? If so where did you mount the remote filter? Thanks for you help. Roger Elliott 1980 Spitfire From frede.thomas2 at verizon.net Sat Nov 24 16:58:41 2007 From: frede.thomas2 at verizon.net (fred thomas) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:58:41 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Fw: Auto shipping Message-ID: <000a01c82ef5$f0feba30$a4197247@fred8kwiskhcfu> This e-mail if from a friend in the "Freight Forwarding" business here in Virginia, hopes this might help. "FT" ============================================================================= =================================== Frede, It's very easy, all the steamship lines haul automobiles; all you need is the registration or title. They all have an 800# and web sites, costs are reasonable. I've never sent an automobile to England but have sent a Howitzer for BAE Systems. It had to travel on a flat rack because of it's weight and dimensions. The Ocean Liner will also do a door to door service if you don't have anyone on the other end. Marion Moon Director of Convention Sales 703-960-6644 703-518-4729 fax www.conventionfreightservices.com From hdrider570 at peoplepc.com Sun Nov 25 17:19:18 2007 From: hdrider570 at peoplepc.com (hdrider570 at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:19:18 -0800 Subject: [Spits] OD Mount Message-ID: <000b01c82fc2$72ed14c0$3fb05545@DFKQ4L31> I just had to yet replace another rear engine mount in my Herald. It is the OD type and only about a year old. Are others experiancing this same proplem? Basicly the blade that mounts to the OD seperated from the rubber both times. Seems like it might be defective mount issue. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA From spitlist at cox.net Sun Nov 25 18:36:46 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Spits] OD Mount In-Reply-To: <000b01c82fc2$72ed14c0$3fb05545@DFKQ4L31> Message-ID: <20071125203646.1PQJ4.124255.root@eastrmwml14.mgt.cox.net> I have had my OD installed for about 9 years now with the same mounts and no problems. Joe C. ---- hdrider570 at peoplepc.com wrote: > I just had to yet replace another rear engine mount in my Herald. It is the OD type and only about a year old. Are others > experiancing this same proplem? Basicly the blade that mounts to the OD seperated from the rubber both times. Seems like it might > be defective mount issue. > > Edward Hamer > Petaluma CA > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spitfires > > http://www.team.net/archive From bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk Mon Nov 26 00:23:28 2007 From: bill at rarebits4classics.co.uk (Bill Davies) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:23:28 -0000 Subject: [Spits] OD Mount In-Reply-To: <000b01c82fc2$72ed14c0$3fb05545@DFKQ4L31> Message-ID: <20071126071502.A0E8A1879C9@autox.team.net> > [mailto:spitfires-bounces+bill=rarebits4classics.co.uk at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of hdrider570 at peoplepc.com > > I just had to yet replace another rear engine mount in my Herald. It is > the OD type and only about a year old. Are others > experiancing this same proplem? Basicly the blade that mounts to the OD > seperated from the rubber both times. Seems like it might > be defective mount issue. I'm afraid it's a matter of parts quality. The vertical part of the overdrive mounting originally had a formed loop on the bottom face. This was sunk into a rubber bed, itself surrounded by a U-channel. The modern replacements have a simple vertical blade embedded in the rubber. The weight of the gearbox applies a cutting force into the rubber, quickly weakening the assembly in use. As far as I am aware, no-one currently makes this part to the original design. Cheers, Bill. From george.r.parker at att.net Mon Nov 26 12:32:06 2007 From: george.r.parker at att.net (george.r.parker at att.net) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:32:06 +0000 Subject: [Spits] Valve timing questions Message-ID: <112620071932.23500.474B1F360008D8B100005BCC22243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A059D0E9FD29DD20A099D010A09@att.net> Hi all, After all this time saying that things move at a glacial pace in my garage (they do...), I (or rather *we*, as my Dad was here helping me) have made some real progress. For starters, let's talk about valve timing. My Bentley manual says (for the stock cam): intake valve opens at 18* BTDC and closes at 58* ABDC exhaust valve opens at 58* BBDC and closes at 18* ATDC So we made the assumption that the "39/76 76/39" numbers on my Kent Cams data sheet are also: intake valve opens at 39* BTDC and closes at 76* ABDC exhaust valve opens at 76* BBDC and closes at 39* ATDC With this in mind, we first figured that if the exhaust valve opens at 76* BBDC, this equates to 104* ATDC. So we looked for the exhaust valve (with a dial indicator on the #1 exhaust valve rocker arm - above the pushrod, not the valve) to start opening at 104* ATDC. It opened around 75-76* ATDC. Off by about 30*. Is this making sense so far?? With that new found information, and knowing that the crank turns twice for every one rev of the cam shaft, we then figured that the cam was off by about 15*, which we figured was about 2 teeth on the sprocket, or one link in the chain. And, since the valve seemed to be opening *TOO SOON*, we further figured that we'd have to rotate the cam *COUNTER*-clockwise to get it to open later in the rotation. Is this correct?? So we marked the cam sprocket, the chain, and the relationship of the chain to the crankshaft gear and proceeded to turn the cam back by 2 teeth/one link. Then we reattached the chain cover and put the pulley on w/ the degree wheel. When we rotated the engine - hoping to see the exhaust valve open around 104* ATDC - what we actually found was that it began its opening at about 60* ATDC. Exactly *OPPOSITE* of what we expected! Can anyone shed any light here? We think we have two options - follow the set-up procedure in the Bentley manual (which I'm not entirely comfortable with - unsure that we can keep the cam from moving as we reassemble the sprocket/chain) or simply put the crank at 104* ATDC and rotate the cam to where the exhaust valve is just opening and reassemble the sprocket/chain (same concerns here, though). Ok, a third option is to push the cam forward again (to where it started, and then beyond) to see what happens, but this makes so little sense in my mind: a) I can't see it working; and 2. if it *did* work, I'll be even more puzzled. Oh, and it will take up a lot of time.... Any insight/intel would be most welcome and appreciated. I hope all this makes sense. But if nothing else, I do know that my valve timing was way off - so I guess that's the "real progress"! -- George P. Ruther Glen, VA From JStasyszen at odmhsas.org Wed Nov 28 07:26:50 2007 From: JStasyszen at odmhsas.org (Stasyszen, Jerry) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:26:50 -0600 Subject: [Spits] Over Drive Question In-Reply-To: <0a1901c8314f$22d71ec0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <09f901c8312f$84368a90$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com><01fe01c8314a$791af590$0601a8c0@D9Z8J571> <200711271916.58581.yellowtr@adelphia.net> <0a1901c8314f$22d71ec0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I have a J Type overdrive I am going to install in my 76 Spitfire. It has a wiring harness attached to it but none of the wires are hooked up. There are two solenoids on the transmission, one below the gear shifter that is a three inch cylindrical solenoid with two male wire poles that are not marked another smaller pancake looking solenoid on top of the transmission that also has two male wiring poles that are not marked. Can anyone tell me which wires go where, I am not even sure if the wiring harness is the correct one. The overdrive is from a 77 spit with UK markings FRXXXXX. Thanks Jerry From ptegler at cablespeed.com Wed Nov 28 07:45:53 2007 From: ptegler at cablespeed.com (ptegler) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:45:53 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Over Drive Question Message-ID: <03.BC.09523.12F7D474@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net> The unit on top is actaully an interlock switch. It opens/closes as you throw the shift lever over to the 3rd/4th side of the shift pattern. This forces the O/D to drop out in 1st/2nd gears as the torque/drive can wreck the o/d in the lower and reverse gears. The lower soleniod (on the side of the tranny at the bottom as such) is the main control. 'Switched' V+(on only when ignition is on) goes to the interlock switch on top. The output goes from that switch to the gear shift lever mounted switch. then from the knob switch to the lower soleniod. The second terminal of the solenoid is grounded to the nearest o/d case bolt via short wire. There should be a harness hanging down next to the bellhousing near your mechanical fuel pump, with at least two (if not three) wires. 1) V+ that feeds the top mounted o/d switch as well as being the V+ supply to your reverse light switch (mounted on the the top left side of the shifter pivot box) 2) the return line from your reverse light switch that comes back up from the tranny and goes to the rear of the car for the reverse lights. Paul Tegler ptegler at cablespeed.com www.teglerizer.com On Wed Nov 28 9:26 , "Stasyszen, Jerry" sent: >Hello all, I have a J Type overdrive I am going to install in my 76 Spitfire. >It has a wiring harness attached to it but none of the wires are hooked up. >There are two solenoids on the transmission, one below the gear shifter that >is a three inch cylindrical solenoid with two male wire poles that are not >marked another smaller pancake looking solenoid on top of the transmission >that also has two male wiring poles that are not marked. Can anyone tell me >which wires go where, I am not even sure if the wiring harness is the correct >one. The overdrive is from a 77 spit with UK markings FRXXXXX. > >Thanks >Jerry From ptegler at cablespeed.com Wed Nov 28 07:45:53 2007 From: ptegler at cablespeed.com (ptegler) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:45:53 -0500 Subject: [Spits] Over Drive Question Message-ID: <03.BC.09523.12F7D474@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net> The unit on top is actaully an interlock switch. It opens/closes as you throw the shift lever over to the 3rd/4th side of the shift pattern. This forces the O/D to drop out in 1st/2nd gears as the torque/drive can wreck the o/d in the lower and reverse gears. The lower soleniod (on the side of the tranny at the bottom as such) is the main control. 'Switched' V+(on only when ignition is on) goes to the interlock switch on top. The output goes from that switch to the gear shift lever mounted switch. then from the knob switch to the lower soleniod. The second terminal of the solenoid is grounded to the nearest o/d case bolt via short wire. There should be a harness hanging down next to the bellhousing near your mechanical fuel pump, with at least two (if not three) wires. 1) V+ that feeds the top mounted o/d switch as well as being the V+ supply to your reverse light switch (mounted on the the top left side of the shifter pivot box) 2) the return line from your reverse light switch that comes back up from the tranny and goes to the rear of the car for the reverse lights. Paul Tegler ptegler at cablespeed.com www.teglerizer.com On Wed Nov 28 9:26 , "Stasyszen, Jerry" sent: >Hello all, I have a J Type overdrive I am going to install in my 76 Spitfire. >It has a wiring harness attached to it but none of the wires are hooked up. >There are two solenoids on the transmission, one below the gear shifter that >is a three inch cylindrical solenoid with two male wire poles that are not >marked another smaller pancake looking solenoid on top of the transmission >that also has two male wiring poles that are not marked. Can anyone tell me >which wires go where, I am not even sure if the wiring harness is the correct >one. The overdrive is from a 77 spit with UK markings FRXXXXX. > >Thanks >Jerry From doug at dougbraun.com Wed Nov 28 08:12:25 2007 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:12:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spits] Over Drive Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <927199.84487.qm@web603.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the "solenoids" are on the transmission itself, they are actually switches. One would be for the reverse lights, and the other would be to activate the OD only in 3rd and 4th gear. I believe the J OD does not need a relay to activate it, so the wiring is pretty simple: Power from the ignition, through the 3/4 switch, then to the main solenoid, then to the gearshift switch, and finally to ground. Or maybe the the gearshift switch is before the solenoid, but that would require both its connections to have 12-volt power, with an added risk of short-circuits. BTW, the Haynes manual would tell you all you need to know. Amazon.com stocks it for something like $12.00. If you are doing anything more complicated than changing the oil, it would be well worth the investment. Doug Braun '72 Spit --- "Stasyszen, Jerry" wrote: > Hello all, I have a J Type overdrive I am going to > install in my 76 Spitfire. > It has a wiring harness attached to it but none of > the wires are hooked up. > There are two solenoids on the transmission, one > below the gear shifter that > is a three inch cylindrical solenoid with two male > wire poles that are not > marked another smaller pancake looking solenoid on > top of the transmission > that also has two male wiring poles that are not > marked. Can anyone tell me > which wires go where, I am not even sure if the > wiring harness is the correct > one. The overdrive is from a 77 spit with UK > markings FRXXXXX. From TR250Driver at aol.com Wed Nov 28 09:34:37 2007 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:34:37 EST Subject: [Spits] Over Drive Question ???? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/2007 9:46:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, ptegler at cablespeed.com writes: > This forces the O/D > to > drop out in 1st/2nd gears as the torque/drive can wreck the o/d in the lower > and > reverse gears. > Humm, The way things ended up with my GT6+ OD I have overdrive in 1st & 2nd, reverse is locked out. I did not ask for it that way for it is for sure not normal. We had trouble finding the bracket that goes up front on the early OD's. I don't use OD in those gears but I thought about trying it out during autocrossing. I guess that would be a bad thing Huh? I have accidentally gone in a few times. torque/drive ???? Darrell ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Nov 28 10:53:01 2007 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (JOHN MACARTNEY) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:53:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Spits] Triumph Trans-AmeriCan Charity Drive 2009 Message-ID: <707752.26365.qm@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Listers There are revisions to the event website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk that may be of interest. The site is hopefully easier to navigate There is a FREE download of the presentation made by Glenn Merrell at TRIUMPHEST 2007 If you want to be kept informed of developments - without having to bookmark the site - click on the "Stay Informed" link in the left hand sidebar and fill in your details. You'll get updates from us on a regular basis. Cheers, Jonmac From foxtrapper at aceweb.com Thu Nov 29 03:38:13 2007 From: foxtrapper at aceweb.com (Nolan) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:38:13 -0500 Subject: [Spits] [TR] Over Drive Question ???? References: Message-ID: <001f01c83273$f21772f0$8f29c40a@mde.state.md.us> >> This forces the O/D to >> drop out in 1st/2nd gears as the torque/drive can wreck the o/d in the >> lower >> and reverse gears. >> > Humm, The way things ended up with my GT6+ OD I have overdrive in 1st & > 2nd, > reverse is locked out. I did not ask for it that way for it is for sure > not > normal. We had trouble finding the bracket that goes up front on the early > OD's. > I don't use OD in those gears but I thought about trying it out during > autocrossing. I guess that would be a bad thing Huh? I have accidentally > gone in a > few times. torque/drive ???? Not really. The petite Spitfire engine will not overstress the Laycock overdrive. Laycock designed it to sit behind much more powerful engines than even the most heavily modified Spitfire engine. In a number of other applications the unit is engaged at much lower speeds and gears than the very simple and effective Spitfire lockout uses. The unit engages hydraulically. When the input shaft isn't spinning, there is no hydraulic pressure. So it can't engage. Attempting to engage it as the shaft spins up, building pressure, results in the clutch face slipping quite a bit, and that will wear out the clutch in record time. This is where a first gear lockout is rather useful, particularly for forgetful drivers. 2nd gear is much less important, and in some other vehicles the unit is allowed to engage in 2nd gear. A number of autocrossers and such with a laycock overdrive have a momentary contact button that lets the driver engage the unit at any time they desire, in order to gain gearing advantage. Reverse lockout on the other hand is important, as the unit can self destruct when spun backwards, regardless of the engines power. From TR250Driver at aol.com Fri Nov 30 18:00:38 2007 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:00:38 EST Subject: [Spits] [TR] Over Drive Question ???? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2007 4:41:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: Which I agree probably has a D-type ... but I'll bet someone somewhere has stuffed an A-type into a GT6. Sorry Guys, I knew when I posted my original inquiry that I should have stated the OD Type. CRS keep me from doing that. I am going to say now that it is a early D Type on the GT6 Gearbox. Yes, it engages pretty slow and nothing like the early A Type "Bangers" with the large accumulators. Got one of those on the 3B!. Therefore the GT6 OD would be would be a problem in autocross due to the delayed engagement. It would be great to stuff that early A Type into her! I love you Guys, Darrell **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)