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One more thing: the lines don't stay in the pulleys.</div>
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If I had to do it again, I'd build that system with better pulleys. </div>
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If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make sure that you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not be enough for (one of) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came down the Datto was not in the garage. </div>
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behalf of Jack Brooks </span><span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue;" class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id="OWA0d0b98d9-fffe-a339-6275-d5e85aef5cd2" href="mailto:JIBrooks@live.com"><JIBrooks@live.com></a></u></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue;" class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" id="OWA6d7decac-d2ad-92dc-93fa-26e977e9a242" href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a></u></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span></div>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Brian, </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">That’s a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I am comfortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I need
to build my own similarly. If I am comfortable lifting with this setup, I could have pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks!</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jack</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b> Brian Kemp
</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id="OWA8922f93b-1402-bd76-eeaf-032b364c1146" href="mailto:bk13@earthlink.net"><bk13@earthlink.net></a></u></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id="OWA5729f183-a907-7e0e-c895-c7a519348c95" href="mailto:jibrooks@live.com"><jibrooks@live.com></a></u></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" id="OWA0400bd67-4ab0-7c3f-645a-d8541e69626f" href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a></u></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Jack - To store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist setup along the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for the bow and stern
off to the side.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" data-auth="NotApplicable" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id="OWA1701091b-be91-3917-611a-78774c16205c" href="https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html">https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html</a></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, attached bow and stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters. I then had a pair of straps to more safely hold
the kayak.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Brian</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jack Brooks <<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id="OWA72ec19eb-54fa-46ee-0a0a-527a0c2dbcab" href="mailto:jibrooks@live.com">jibrooks@live.com</a></u></span>><br>
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
To: <span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id="OWA1e9fc2e0-a79b-0bae-d70e-6a8d7b77bb9c" href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a></u></span> <<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id="OWAbf742ddb-3b53-47e5-5928-d42d3e0941e0" href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a></u></span>><br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Team,</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside. The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.
I have 4, 5/16” Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling. One end of the rope will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts. It overdesigned, but it’s hanging over
a car I cherish. </p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup> Eye Lag bolt. I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling’s new 2x4’s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge
on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them. </p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">I’m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind that while the load is light, it’s a vertical hanging arrangement.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Thanks in advance,</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Jack</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare. We had a home with three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage room. I am forcing everything into a two
bay garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench. I do have some basement storage too. I’m using a lot more vertical storage and it’s getting there………</p>
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