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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>John – if you are going to get a new machine, you might consider a mini-PC [aka 1-liter machines].<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>I got a couple of these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main machine and it works great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual machines, but it works just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the one I got: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/</a> That is now $229 for 16Gb of ram and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>They also have one at $139 with 8Gb + 256…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>Of course you would have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor – which a laptop would provide built-in – but if you have those laying around, this might work for you without additional expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>john niolon<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com><br><b>Cc:</b> shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next to the Orbi modem</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with latency around45 ms</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb down and 40-=50 up with less latency</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me old and slow</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>My Orbi is a model RBR10 app version2.42.0.56</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>firmware version v2.7.3.22</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'> thanks for all the input</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>john</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #C7E5FF 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>----- Original Message -----</span></b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> MIQ MILLMAN <<a href="mailto:miq@bigllama.com">miq@bigllama.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> john niolon <<a href="mailto:jniolon@att.net">jniolon@att.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> shop-talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:#CCCCCC' align=center></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs. Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of 802.11ac.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port built in. So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be limited to what the older laptop can manage.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the latest versions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the Toshiba. Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best use of funds.... (e.g. TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://a.co/d/am8aVRV">https://a.co/d/am8aVRV</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> --Miq<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34 AM john niolon <<a href="mailto:jniolon@att.net">jniolon@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached garage/shop. First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent. Next went with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine. Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower? Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business. Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop? or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.96<br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>