<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Wingdings;
panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Aptos;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph
{mso-style-priority:34;
margin-top:0in;
margin-right:0in;
margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:.5in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;}
span.gmailsignatureprefix
{mso-style-name:gmail_signature_prefix;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
color:blue;
font-weight:normal;
font-style:normal;
text-decoration:none none;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:11.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
{mso-list-id:1357854486;
mso-list-type:hybrid;
mso-list-template-ids:-273142952 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;}
@list l0:level1
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level2
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:o;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level3
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level4
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level5
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:o;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level6
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level7
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level8
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:o;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level9
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
font-family:Wingdings;}
ol
{margin-bottom:0in;}
ul
{margin-bottom:0in;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>David, agreed—that’s been my personal experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Group—I recently have been working on a custom automotive project that has brought me into contact with all of these terminal types:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Packard 56 open barrel (Delco-Packard </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>à</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Delphi </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>à</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Aptiv)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Packard 59 (specifically Twin Lock)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Metri-Pack<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Weather-Pack<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Powerpole (Anderson)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Deutsch<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>I’m happy to try to help anyone on the list who is trying to identify terminals / shells or etc. I have had some success tracking down crimping tools as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>FWIW, I have rapidly become a BIG fan of the Deutsch setup. Easier to work with (easier to crimp, easier to revise) and physically smaller than Weather-Pack.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>--Kent<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Scheidt<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2024 11:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] automotive connector breakout wires<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:21<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>AM Jeff Scarbrough <<a href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you're trying to connect with the connector unplugged, the "easiest" thing to do might be to get some male and female pins and make jumper wires with them . Finding the correct pins is the hard part of the easy solution.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you can figure out which ones you need, getting the right pins is easy, and even real OEM ones are usually pretty cheap. The problem is there are lots of choices, and they all require their own crimping dies, so it's hard to keep them on hand just in case. For testing, you can probably get away with the wrong tool, or soldering them on. But if you're repairing a connector, you want the right crimper; poorly crimped pins and socket ends are a source of maddening intermittent failures and risk deciding a part has failed when it's just the wire end that's bad. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>One very real advantage of using the right pins is you can get a good sense if you have a pin fit problem, which causes failures, often intermittent. hard to do that with a probe or stick pin. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailsignatureprefix>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>David Scheidt<br><a href="mailto:dmscheidt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmscheidt@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>