<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">The contaminants will cause the oil to degrade, hence the need to change it on either time or mileage, per the OEM spec (whichever comes first).<br><br><div dir="ltr">Tom Coradeschi<div>Tjcora@icloud.com</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 29, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Gene Garrison <gene@garrison-grafixx.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
  
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    <p>I'm glad you brought that up.  I've always wondered about
      changing oil.</p>
    <p>So oil sitting in bottles on the shelf doesn't "go bad".  Right?</p>
    <p>Then why does oil sitting in a rarely used engine need to be
      changed?  I know it now has contaminants and such in it, but those
      aren't going to cause it to degrade, are they?</p>
    <p>- GeneG<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/22 03:59, Jeff Scarbrough
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      <div dir="auto">I just replaced a set of trailer tires that had
        less than 2500 miles on them because they were ten years old and
        definitely showing it.  
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        <div dir="auto">I consider tires to be like oil - they should be
          changed at a mileage or time interval, whichever comes first. 
          It's just something you have to budget for.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 02:04
          Bob Spidell <<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
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          <div> re: "How many years can a set of tires go ..."<br>
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            Subject to debate, and how the tires are maintained.
            Some--often people who make and sell tires--insist six years
            is the limit, regardless of mileage, and if the tires are
            constantly exposed to extreme weather and mileage that's not
            unreasonable. OTOH, if the tires are kept in a garage not
            subject to temperature extremes and are only used 'around
            town' you can usually go more, 7 or 8 years wouldn't be too
            risky. At any rate, going beyond 10 years is pushing your
            luck.<br>
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            BUT ... for an SUV I'd be more cautious and probably observe
            the 6-year 'rule.' SUVs and other trucks are top heavy and a
            catastrophic failure--i.e. a blowout--esp. on a front tire
            can cause the vehicle to roll over. Ford just got slapped
            with a $1B+ liability charge for an old truck that had a
            blowout, rolled, and the cab squashed the elderly occupants.
            A couple decades ago Ford got slammed when some incorrect,
            improperly inflated Firestone tires--Ford and Firestone go
            WAY back--caused some fatal rollover accidents with some
            Explorers.<br>
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            My rule of thumb: If I find myself worrying about my tires,
            it's time for new. Your tires are only three years (+/-) old
            and, unless they're showing 'checking'--cracking--or other
            damage they should be good for at least a couple more years.
            Check your tire pressures regularly (at least once a month).<br>
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            <div>On 8/28/2022 9:19 PM, Shannah Miller wrote:<br>
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                <div>Thank you, Ian, for commenting to the group.  I
                  will</div>
                <div>need tires at some point, and that's good to know.</div>
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                <div>That said, my car is the spare car of the family,
                  and</div>
                <div>has had the same tires since 2019.  How many years</div>
                <div>can a set of tires go if they are just mostly used
                  to</div>
                <div>putt around town?  (My car has not quite 10,000
                  miles</div>
                <div>on it.)<br>
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                <div>Thanks,</div>
                <div>Shannah<br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 28, 2022
                  at 7:20 PM Ian McFetridge <<a href="mailto:shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org</a>>
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                  <div dir="auto">I have had the Michelin Defender LTX
                    on my pickup since fall 2020 and they are wearing
                    well, ride smooth and quiet.  I’ve used Michelins on
                    trucks since I worked in the tire dept at Sam’s in
                    college.  They always took the least amount of
                    weights to balance and had the least returns for
                    issues or to rebalance.  The manager at Costco said
                    that is all still true when I bought the last set. 
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                  <div dir="auto">Best </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Ian</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 28,
                        2022 at 8:03 PM john niolon <<a href="mailto:jniolon@att.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">shop content... I
                              drive my suburban into my shop</font></div>
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                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">time for tires...
                              always used Michelin for the last 20 years
                              with good service... Vehicle is 2008
                              Suburban 1500 with 95% highway or town
                              ...no off road</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">occasional towing
                              my hobby truck to shows on 20' car hauler
                              (once or twice a year with load equalizing
                              hitch...)  Looking at reviews on my first
                              choice Michelin Defender LTX/MS</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">275/55-20.   The
                              reviews talk a lot about road noise and
                              rough ride..... My current Michelin
                              Defenders  (bought in Jan 2016 ride smooth
                              and wear well.. 76K miles on them so far)</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">I just turned 75
                              and this might be my last set of tires  <img alt="Grinning Face with Smiling Eyes" src="cid:part1.BCNdxLKL.UPuEd01i@comcast.net" style="width:24px;max-width:100%;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(255,255,255)" moz-do-not-send="true" align="absMiddle" data-unique-identifier=""> …
                              so I'm looking for your thoughts on
                              Michelin or others afa mileage, ride,
                              noise etc.</font></div>
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                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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