<div dir="auto">I haven't done it on 35 years, but at least your equations look familiar. I find that comforting.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If the capability is questionable, would solid wood blocks of a suitable height to support the channel somewhere near the center help?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 06:34 Donald H Locker <<a href="mailto:dhlocker@comcast.net">dhlocker@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">First oops - I used 10ft length, not 8ft. At 8ft, the numbers look<br>
better by about 20%<br>
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On 2021-07-02 6:16 a.m., Donald H Locker wrote:<br>
> BIG NOTE: please check my calculations and assumptions; I haven't<br>
> actually done any of this for nearly 40 years.<br>
> <br>
> TLDR: They might not work.<br>
> <br>
> The significant supporting bits are the two flanges (3in x 0.5in); the<br>
> plate across the top adds very little strength.<br>
> <br>
> All calculations below in pounds and inches.<br>
> <br>
> The maximum stress on the webs (if the weight is perfectly divided<br>
> between them; more on that later) will be (equation 1-1 in reference 1)<br>
> with the weight at the center of the ramp. Fb (bending stress in the<br>
> flange of the channel) must be less than the yield stress of the channel<br>
> material.<br>
> <br>
> Fb = M*c/I<br>
> <br>
> [Ref 2] M for each web: PL/8 = P*120in/8 = P*15in [P is point load, lb]<br>
> [email] c for each web: 1.5in<br>
> [Ref 4] I for each web: (b*(h^3))/12 = ((0.5in)*(3in)^3)/12 = 1.125in^4<br>
> <br>
> Fb = (P*15in*1.5in)/1.125in^4 = P*20 lb/in^2<br>
> <br>
> For the given situation, p=3840lb, so Fb (max) is 3840*20 = 76800lb/in^2<br>
> distributed between the two channels, each with two flanges. Since Fb<br>
> must be less than the material yield stress, 10000 psi for some kind of<br>
> structural Al, but not high-strength material [Ref 3], this doesn't look<br>
> very good. Each flange would be loaded to about 19200lb/in^2 if all<br>
> loads were perfectly distributed. (Note that high-strength Al (e.g.<br>
> 6061) can have a yield stress of 45000lb/in^2 so looks much more likely<br>
> to succeed, but I don't know how much I'd trust that.)<br>
> <br>
> My biggest concerns would be the division of stresses between flanges<br>
> (if one channel tilts a little or is not sitting perfectly flat on the<br>
> trailer or ground, stress sharing will be uneven and one flange make<br>
> take all stress) and the potential for flange instability (see notes in<br>
> 1.3.1.5 in Ref 1.) This may not be a problem because the flanges are not<br>
> particularly deep, but I watched a boat hung from I-beams drop when a<br>
> structural I-beam twisted slightly from imperfect loading and the entire<br>
> structure quickly twisted into a totally unsupportive mess.<br>
> <br>
> References:<br>
> 1 Beam stress/strain:<br>
> <<a href="https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/simple-beam-bending-air-force-stress-manual" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/simple-beam-bending-air-force-stress-manual</a>><br>
> <br>
> 2 Beam force/reaction:<br>
> <<a href="https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/beam-forces-moments-air-force-stress-manual" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/beam-forces-moments-air-force-stress-manual</a>><br>
> <br>
> 3 Material properties:<br>
> <<a href="https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/properties-aluminum-pipe-d_1340.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/properties-aluminum-pipe-d_1340.html</a>><br>
> <br>
> 4 Area moments:<br>
> <<a href="https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/area-moment-inertia-d_1328.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/area-moment-inertia-d_1328.html</a>><br>
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> ATB,<br>
> Donald.<br>
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> On 2021-07-01 10:56 p.m., john niolon wrote:<br>
>> I'm thinking about using aluminum channel for a set of ramps for my car<br>
>> hauler. I have some 'available' that is 10" wide with .50 web<br>
>> thickness and almost 3" flange... about 15# per ft.<br>
>> <br>
>> ramps will be 7-8' long ….. and will go from ground to 17" high trailer<br>
>> deck... truck weight is 5300 +/- … with front end weighting 3840. I<br>
>> can't find a table telling me weight capacity of<br>
>> channel with the load traveling up the wide web... like this any<br>
>> ideas on capacity ??<br>
>> <br>
>> Image87ABA31D<br>
>> <br>
>> thanks<br>
>> john<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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