<div dir="ltr">I have a couple of these - the USA-made original Form-A-Funnel. They make almost any drain plug work just fine, and are incredibly durable.<div><br></div><div><a href="https://formafunnel.com/">https://formafunnel.com/</a><div><br></div><div>I also install the Fumoto oil drain valves on my cars, which also makes a huge difference. One can get versions with a nipple, which allows for the attachment of a hose to direct the output wherever you'd like.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.fumotousa.com/index.php">http://www.fumotousa.com/index.php</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div><div>-</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9:35 AM old dirtbeard <<a href="mailto:dirtbeard@gmail.com">dirtbeard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, that is what NAPA says:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://knowhow.napaonline.com/understanding-oil-drain-plug/#:~:text=The%20plug%20isn't%20always,a%20speed%20bump%20or%20pothole" target="_blank">http://knowhow.napaonline.com/understanding-oil-drain-plug/#:~:text=The%20plug%20isn't%20always,a%20speed%20bump%20or%20pothole</a>.<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-variant-ligatures:no-discretionary-ligatures">The plug isn’t always located on the bottom side of the pan. In fact, you’ll most often find it attached to the side, where it’s better protected from damage that could arise from scraping against a speed bump or pothole.</span> </i></div></blockquote><br><div>I could conjecture also that having them on the side perhaps makes them more readily visible if you are sliding under the car on a creeper, easier to get a socket on, less likely to strip, etc. </div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:23 AM Brian Kemp <<a href="mailto:bk13@earthlink.net" target="_blank">bk13@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I think they are horizontal for extra protection against ground
impact. If they stuck out the bottom and you went off road or drove
over a concrete stop in a parking lot, an oil drain plug could take
a direct impact and perhaps have greater damage than hitting a frame
rail or suspension bit.<br>
<br>
I share your frustration with the oil filter location from my Honda
Odyssey. Changing the filter caused oil to come down directly on
the frame rail. My solution was to take a foot square of alluminum
foil and make my own deflection device to catch all the oil and
direct it to the drain pan.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/4/2021 5:14 AM, <a href="mailto:eric@megageek.com" target="_blank">eric@megageek.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">OK, this is half vent and half
"can
someone explain why the heck do they do this to us?"</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">I notice that just about EVERY
modern's
car drain plug drains horizontally and not vertically (where the
plug come
straight down from the bottom of the oil pan.) This make's oil
changes
SO much harder and messier.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Then, I've even seen (2018 Ford
F150)
where it has a frame rail right in front of the oil hole and it
splashes
the nearly 2 GALLONS of oil everywhere. Then, the oil filter
has
a 'slide' under it to redirect the oil to the front of the
frame, which
is nice, EXCEPT that it doesn't go all the way back to under the
oil filter!
This means that some oil drips under the oil filter while more
drips
in front of the frame rail about 2 feet away (meaning no single
oil pan
can catch both.) I'm seeing this in more and more cars that
have
stupid oil drains.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Now I get that engines are
sometime
designed in a vacuum and the frame builders don't care what is
in the way,
but it just seems that for optimal oil changes, a plug should be
at the
bottom of the pan. With all the environmental concerns, I would
also
imagine that any way to prevent oil spills and splashes would be
ideal.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Can anyone explain this? Or is
it just a case of designers really HATE mechanics?</font>
<br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory."
Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
<br>
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