<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">My only addition to what has already been said is to ask if you frequently need to do collaborative work with others who use Office? I happily used open software for years, but had to bite the bullet and get an Office license when I started doing work with a friend who was using Office. While the open source software will let you save Office files, we often found minor, but annoying, differences going back and forth in formatting that created problems and extra work. This was about 4 years ago and it may be better today, but I have stayed with MS to be safe.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 6, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Larry Spector <<a href="mailto:lspector@gmail.com" class="">lspector@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Have you looked at using the Google Suite tools? I use Google Sheets (Excel clone) and Google Docs (Word clone) and while not as full featured, they do the trick for my purposes. Both allow you download as .pdf files.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Larry</div></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 4:17 PM Tony Vaccaro <<a href="mailto:tvacc@lotusowners.com" class="">tvacc@lotusowners.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class="gmail-m_-2635748848842268916WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">This is the business I am in. Use<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.libreoffice.org/" target="_blank" class="">www.libreoffice.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for the office suite and use<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.foxitsoftware.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.foxitsoftware.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for the free pdf reader.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">And just as an aside, <a href="http://ESET.com" class="">ESET.com</a> is the best anti-virus software out there. Not free, but it is the best.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Tony V<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Anthony Vaccaro<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">President<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lotus Owners of New York (LOONY)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.lotusowners.com/" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">http://www.lotusowners.</span><span style="color: blue;" class="">com</span></a></span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">President<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lotus Ltd<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.lotusltd.com/" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">http://www.lotusltd.com</span></a></span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop-talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank" class="">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Bob Spidell<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, October 06, 2020 3:47 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim . <<a href="mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" target="_blank" class="">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop Talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank" class="">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Shop-talk] software<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Look into ‘OpenOffice.’ It’s open source/shareware ... it has Word and Excel equivalents (dunno about pdf export though).<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">On Oct 6, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Tim . <<a href="mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" target="_blank" class="">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Had to buy a new laptop. For years I've been using an office products suite license that I bought years ago. As each old laptop dies, I get another used one, move the license, etc etc. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">This Win10 machine won't run this old software. No surprise there. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Sooooooo.....I need Word and Excel for my side hustle. I am not against buying stand alones if I have to but if I am seeing this correctly, they are now only "annual licenses" that would have to be renewed each year. What a crock...er, I mean racket. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I looked at open source but there are so many that I quickly got confused. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">One thing that is a must have is creating an invoice in Word then saving it as a pdf for sending to our customers. If none of the open source stuff has this feature, then I'd be forced to go with Word. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Shop content: I am selling buying and selling parts that are stored in my garage shop and my basement shop. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Thanks all<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">tim<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""><a href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank" class="">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br class="">Donate:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class="">Suggested annual donation $12.96<br class="">Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=""><br class="">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""><a href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank" class="">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br class="">Donate:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class="">Suggested annual donation $12.96<br class="">Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=""><br class="">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lspector@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lspector@gmail.com</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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