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    Question for the List: Is it proper to quench--in water, presumably,
    or oil maybe--copper to achieve softness after it's been heated
    'cherry red?'<br>
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    Bob<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/8/2020 6:43 AM, old dirtbeard
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      <div dir="ltr">I sort of like your idea about the self-cleaning
        oven cycle. It would be very even heat, the right temperature,
        should not hurt the oven. 
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        <div>Maybe just wait to do it while the wife is away for an hour
          or so...  :-)</div>
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        <div>best,</div>
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        <div>doug</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:37 AM
          Pat Horne <<a href="mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"
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          <div dir="auto">Pay a local shop with an oxy/acetylene rig to
            heat them? Muffler shop, body shop, A/C contractor? A/C
            contractor sometimes use air/acetylene. Will that get hot
            enough?
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            <div>Peace,</div>
            <div>Pat<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Pat Horne 
                <div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div>
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                On Aug 7, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Jack Brooks <<a
                  href="mailto:JIBrooks@live.com" target="_blank"
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                      Roman",serif">I have fabricated a number of
                      1/8 and 3/16<sup>th</sup> inch thick busbars for
                      an Van RV build electrical system which I am
                      assembling in my shop.  The busbars are already
                      bent to shape, but I’d like to anneal them,
                      because the copper was purchased in the
                       “Half-Hard” state and making them “Dead-Soft”
                      will insure that they lay completely flat to
                      maximize the conductivity when I final assemble
                      the system.
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                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New
                      Roman",serif">I usually anneal copper by
                      getting it hot enough to glow with a propane torch
                      and then allow it to cool.  With the mass of these
                      busbars, I can’t get them up to a temperature to
                      where they glow with propane.  An Oxy/Acetylene
                      torch would work, but I don’t have one.  MAPP gas
                      is hotter, but I don’t think it’s a lot hotter.
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                      Roman",serif">I am considering running them
                      through the cleaning cycle in the self-cleaning
                      over, as a self-cleaning oven will typically runs
                      up to around 900°F.  Copper needs 700-1,200°F to
                      anneal, so it should be fine.</span></p>
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                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New
                      Roman",serif">I’d prefer almost any other
                      solution.  Thoughts?  The last time I used our
                      oven for a shop project, it was to cure the paint
                      on the jugs (cylinders) of my ’74 Norton
                      motorcycle.  Mrs. Jack was not happy.  Copper bars
                      should be fine as they won’t stink up the house.
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                      Roman",serif">Thanks in advance,</span></p>
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