<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sorry for the long delay. We lost internet service for a few days right after Neil sent this note and I forgot all about this when it returned. Neil asked a really good question: “W<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">hy you would want fog & spot lights on together?</span><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class="">”</span></font><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class="">I am ashamed to admit that I never really gave this much serious thought. My unsatisfactory answer is that there was a period switch available to do this and I wanted the functionality of that switch without the looks* of it. However, now that Neil asks the question, I am left wondering if this is really worth it. I live near the coast and a fog light would be nice, and there are times when I would love to have the addition of a driving light, but would I ever really want them both on? I assume there must be a good reason, since 1) Wipac made the switches for a while and 2) they seem to be a desirable accessory for many classic car owners. Can anyone here give me a good reason why I should go to the trouble of wiring the lights so that both can be used at once?</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class="">Thanks, and thanks to Neil for making me step back and consider this.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class="">Jim<br class=""></span></font><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>*Someone asked me for a photo of that switch outside the group discussion. For anyone else who is interested, you can see pictures here: <a href="https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=wipac+rallyman+switch&client=safari&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMgqbumqzpAhXKl3IEHd3SAxsQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1440&bih=728" class="">wipac rallyman switch</a></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 1, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" class="">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Should work, I think. Just connect the first one to one light and the input of the second, then the other light to the output of the second relay.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">What you are doing is effectively binary counting, stepping with each successive press of the switch:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">00<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">01<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">10<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">11<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">00<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">…<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><font color="#ff2600" class=""><b class="">Although I would question why you would want fog & spot lights on together – I wpuld have thought one or the other – it’s either foggy and you want the wide flat short beam or clear and you want the narrow longer throw.</b></font><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Neil<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop-talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net" class="">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>01 May 2020 01:56<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" class="">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Shop-talk] Fog and Driving Lights<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="" style="font-weight: normal;"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:47 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Does anyone know if such a relay exists? If not, is there a simple circuit that would make a standard relay work as described?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> If I recall correctly, a pair of old VW headlight dimming relays would be a period-correct solution. Grounding the relay by pulling on the turn signal lever would flip-flop the relay between high beam and low beam. Or, in your case, on or off. The old relays had to have the headlights on to power them, you would need to figure out how to remind yourself to turn the lights off or use a relay on the ignition wire to control the power.<br class=""><br class="">Or, use one of them high-falutin' electronic gadgets...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; 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