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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This all seems alien to me – living in the UK we don’t such ready access to firearms – and even then basically only shotguns – and also because we generally don’t have such wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, my thoughts are more along the lines of finding other ways to deal with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be really after a meal, rather than a fight? So could there be a solution involving food? Maybe it would create a bigger problem long term, but could a well-stocked bin or something at least be a diversion to buy time (to get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Neil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Jones via Shop-talk<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 April 2020 15:06<br><b>Cc:</b> Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There are a few things to consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If a bear is your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to get the penetration to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum, or a .30 caliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs. Anything less just may focus your adversary’s attention on you and really make them mad.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Where are you most likely to be located when a visitor would appear and where would your firearm be? Are you back to the door working at a bench or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you be able to reach your firearm and access it before your visitor reaches you? You don’t want them to corner you where you have no means of escape. Access will determine the type of secure storage you’ll need. Carrying is fine if you use a good quality holster with retention and trigger protection. Not sure how you would present the gun on a creeper under a car though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>What direction would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or your neighbors house? No matter what you chose to use, what’s behind your potential target is your 2<sup>nd</sup>, hitting your target is the first and biggest headache.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Revolvers are fine and most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns made for boating use. A lot of semi autos have stainless slides and barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning and oiling will be necessary. Even stainless firearms have carbon steel parts that need protected.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for your visitor so you can get out of harms way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline phone close, heaven forbid, you have a run in and need help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It may be safer to close the door and find another means of fresh air and ventilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I don't think a revolver is a poor choice but there's no way I'd store<br>an expensive revolver like that in the garage.<br><br>I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn't have any<br>intention of carrying the firearm that there's no reason to compromise<br>with a handgun. I'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an<br>inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts or a<br>similar secured wall mount.<br><br>-Paul<br><br>On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk<br><<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Eric,<br>><br>> I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt Python in .357 magnum. I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be too challenging. Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.<br>><br>> Good luck.<br>><br>> Tom<br>><br>> On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < <a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake.<br>><br>> I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door open. With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."<br>> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.<br>><br>> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what factors should I consider? I understand that humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)<br>><br>> Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider? I understand that I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to think about?<br>><br>> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type. I thinking an XD-M elite polymer hand gun. With mostly composite parts. Similar to a Glock. (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one. I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)<br>><br>> I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread. Just a 'what to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.<br>><br>> Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment work, etc.<br>><br>> Thanks in advance.<br>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.96<br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/t.w.jones1@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/t.w.jones1@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>