<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Pat thank, but having inspected the master it appears to be such a poorly made copy of a Girling I see nothing but trouble in the future.the piston does not slide smoothly in the bore leading me to think it is hanging up. Same with the reservoir cut off .<div>Again thanks.<br><div><br><div dir="ltr">Bob Nogueira </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 11, 2019, at 11:15 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">You should be able to find a set of seals to try. Lots cheaper than a replacement master. <div><br></div><div>In the past I found this kind of leak by having someone watching the fluid surface in the reservoir while I pressed the pedal down. On my master there was a rise of the fluid where the jet of fluid came out of the reservoir to cylinder hole, causing a “lump” in the fluid surface, indicating a bad seal. </div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir="ltr">Pat Horne <div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 11, 2019, at 10:46 PM, Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Okay bleed the lines no solution, chance of air in the lines is remote, the slave is higher than the master, the run between them is only a foot or so and the line turns down for only a couple of inches between them. Additionally <a href="x-apple-data-detectors://0" dir="ltr" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="misc" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0" style="color: currentcolor; text-decoration-color: rgba(127, 127, 127, 0.380392);">the bleeder</a>is at the highest point of the slave. </span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">The lines are new as is the slave and master. </span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">I did disassemble the master to check it out and it appears to be a Girling knockoff. The piston and reservoir shut off valve feel cheaply made. I’m thinking that the reservoir shutoff may be leaking a bit until pressure is built up thus forcing fluid into the reservoir rather than to the slave. Only way to check is order a new Girling master from Pegasus, basically a $125 gamble.</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Right now Donald and Pat are in the problem solving playoffs. </span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Will advise if the gamble pays off</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Thanks for the suggestions. </span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Bob Nogueira </span><br><br><div dir="ltr">B</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 9, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>It would sound like air to me, too, but that it works "90% of the time" which would indicate to me that one of the seals is not sealing properly.</span><br><span></span><br><span>It's been a while, but I had a similar experience, and discovered that if I hit the pedal quick and hard, the clutch action was good; if not fast or hard enough, the pedal was soft.</span><br><span></span><br><span>My guess is that a seal is old and not always flaring out to the MC bore when the pedal is pressed.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Donald.</span><br><span>--</span><br><span>*Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue</span><br><span>() no proprietary attachments; no html mail</span><br><span>/\ <http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 2019-10-09 8:03 p.m., PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sounds indicative of air in the lines, since the first pump is weak/soft, but as you pump it a few more times you get more pressure. Check for loose connections and then bleed a whole bottle of fluid.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>PJ</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Shirley Sr. via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2019 7:46 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Cc:* Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Weird clutch petal</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Air in the lines?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 6:38 PM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I have a hydraulic clutch, Girling 5/8” master and a internal slave</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> that fits over the input shaft. Both are new. Problem is I have a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> really good feeling petal, no leaks and good operation 90% of the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> time but occasionally when you depress the clutch to change gears</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> the petal feels soft and will not fully release the clutch. Letting</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> the petal out and again depressing it and the feel and release are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> again normal. Reservoir shows no lost of fluid.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Since the slave is mounted on the input shaft and operates directly</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> on the throw out bearing there is no linkage to cause the problem.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Any suggestions as to what could be causing this problem?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Bob Nogueira</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> _______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Shop-talk@autox.team.net <mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Suggested annual donation $12.96</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> http://autox.team.net/archive</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Unsubscribe/Manage:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tomshirleysr44@gmail.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Shop-talk@autox.team.net</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggested annual donation $12.96</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker@comcast.net</span><br></blockquote><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span></span><br><span>Shop-talk@autox.team.net</span><br><span>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br><span>Suggested annual donation $12.96</span><br><span>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive</span><br><span></span><br><span>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nogera@icloud.com</span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span></span><br><span>Shop-talk@autox.team.net</span><br><span>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br><span>Suggested annual donation $12.96</span><br><span>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive</span><br><span></span><br><span>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com</span><br><span></span><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>