From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Sun May 3 12:59:44 2026 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Sun, 3 May 2026 18:59:44 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing Message-ID: I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note from the list serve. I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronnie.day at gmail.com Sun May 3 20:53:50 2026 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Sun, 3 May 2026 21:53:50 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] [Roadsters] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim, it's showing up fine here. Came via the shop-talk and Datsun Roadster lists. RD On Sun, May 3, 2026 at 9:45?PM Tim . wrote: > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note > from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/datsun-roadsters > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ronnie.day at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 4 02:11:09 2026 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 02:11:09 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7475b099-96e8-440a-9a9d-fa180e9c986c@bradakis.com> On 5/3/26 12:59 PM, Tim . wrote: > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation > note from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim No, you have not been unsubscribed. It happens from time to time, not very frequently, that random addresses will get that message sent to them. To be honest, I am not sure if the problem is with mailman doing it, or if random outside people get access to the unsubscribe links in the footer of messages, and send malicious email just for fun. It seems more likely that it is an artifact of the mailman system as currently installed, kept running by being pieced together with bubble gum and bailing wire, or more currently, nylon tie wraps. Nobody uses bailing wire anymore, though I do have maybe 60 - 70 feet of it on a stick out in the garage. So don't worry, nothing has happened to your subscription, you are still on whatever lists you subscribed to. mjb. From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Mon May 4 06:46:07 2026 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 08:46:07 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like you're still live. I get a few fake cancellation confirmations per day.? My non-existent iCloud account gets cancelled at least twice a week. J On 5/3/26 14:59, Tim . wrote: > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation > note from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Mon May 4 07:08:01 2026 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 13:08:01 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] [Roadsters] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks all ________________________________ From: Datsun-roadsters on behalf of Tim . Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2026 1:59 PM To: Shop Talk ; Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] testing testing I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note from the list serve. I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon May 4 07:17:18 2026 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 06:17:18 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <953f5512-bc2d-4b33-8762-d6829937defd@comcast.net> I got one too. I figured it was just a server brain fart. On 5/3/2026 11:59 AM, Tim . wrote: > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation > note from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maynerdfamily at msn.com Mon May 4 09:19:29 2026 From: maynerdfamily at msn.com (Brian and Wendy Warrick) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 15:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems like it is still working. Brian ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2026 12:59 PM To: Shop Talk ; Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note from the list serve. I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Mon May 4 09:55:54 2026 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 10:55:54 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: message received. Shop content: I spent two hours fixing a cheap alarm clock yesterday, one that looks like an old fashioned one, with bells on top. It had been dropped or something, and a wire pulled off the battery terminal, and something was blocking the gear train. Would have taken a lot less time, but I was an idiot and took the motor apart upside down, and had to put it all back together. no parts required, beyond an inch of solder and a couple drops of flux. On Mon, May 4, 2026 at 2:38?AM Tim . wrote: > > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt at gmail.com > -- David Scheidt dmscheidt at gmail.com From patintexas at icloud.com Tue May 5 06:24:47 2026 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 5 May 2026 07:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Still here. Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 5, 2026, at 6:10?AM, Tim . wrote: ? I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note from the list serve. I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronnie.day at gmail.com Tue May 5 20:01:13 2026 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Tue, 5 May 2026 21:01:13 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] [Roadsters] testing testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An international audiovisual list serve I?ve be on since the mid ?90s started randomly bouncing my posts from this gmail address a little over a year ago so I set up a couple of alternative accounts. I haven?t had any problems with any of the team net lists that Mark hosts Weird, but frankly I?m surprised that all of this works as well as it does, and I been in or around IT since the mid ?80s. RD On Tue, May 5, 2026 at 5:25?PM Tim . wrote: > Thanks all > ------------------------------ > *From:* Datsun-roadsters on > behalf of Tim . > *Sent:* Sunday, May 3, 2026 1:59 PM > *To:* Shop Talk ; Datsun Roadster List < > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net> > *Subject:* [Roadsters] testing testing > > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note > from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/datsun-roadsters > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ronnie.day at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Fri May 8 19:04:06 2026 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 18:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] One for the woodworkers Message-ID: <0ba1a3f7-b98b-4958-93c1-cd671050b1bd@comcast.net> Wifey has a furniture restoration hobby. She did a pretty good job on an outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster and last more than a season in the elements? TIA, Bob From doug at dougbraun.com Fri May 8 20:21:24 2026 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 22:21:24 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] One for the woodworkers In-Reply-To: <0ba1a3f7-b98b-4958-93c1-cd671050b1bd@comcast.net> References: <0ba1a3f7-b98b-4958-93c1-cd671050b1bd@comcast.net> Message-ID: Interlux Schooner varnish holds up very well on boats. But since the varnish is flaking off, I wonder if there was an adhesion problem. Doug On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 9:28?PM Bob Spidell wrote: > Wifey has a furniture restoration hobby. She did a pretty good job on an > outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table > has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good > finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster > and last more than a season in the elements? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug at dougbraun.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Mon May 11 01:06:09 2026 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 02:06:09 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] AGM battery: OK to lay it on its side? Message-ID: I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side. This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals on top. Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previous owner? -- Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white 2003(?) Birkin, Green. www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Mon May 11 01:11:48 2026 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 02:11:48 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] 35 Years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 12, 2026 at 5:12?AM Mark Bradakis wrote: > > > Time marches on, and so does Team Net. I'll keep it going as long as I > can, health permitting. Who knows, maybe I'll be sending out a 50th > birthday notice! > _______________________________________________ > > >From your lips to God's ear. Thanks for all you do. I find it hard to believe that I have been around for those 35 years. I plan to be in SLC for the Lotus Owners Gathering. -- Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Mon May 11 04:59:00 2026 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 10:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] AGM battery: OK to lay it on its side? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <445420788.517078.1778497140794@mail.yahoo.com> I was a principal in a small company that designed and built electric powered transportation assisting devices for heavy medical devices and patient transport and we used AGM batteries a lot.? In many applications they were oriented on their sides.? No issues associated with that orientation.?? Dave On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 02:49:50 AM CDT, Philip Ethier wrote: I could swear that?I used?to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side.? This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals on top.? Is it OK to continue?to use the mounting done by a previous owner? -- Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white2003(?) Birkin, Green. www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fitzgibbontm at gmail.com Mon May 11 06:12:47 2026 From: fitzgibbontm at gmail.com (Tom FitzGibbon) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 08:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] One for the woodworkers In-Reply-To: <0ba1a3f7-b98b-4958-93c1-cd671050b1bd@comcast.net> References: <0ba1a3f7-b98b-4958-93c1-cd671050b1bd@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bob, Most marine finishes will hold up, but they do require some maintenance. Personally, I use this TotalBoat Lust Marine Spar Varnish on my sailboat, but any of the Total Boat varnishes have a good reputation, although I have not used the water-based one. Another popular finnish with boaters is Cetol by Sikkens. I've used it on the interior of my boat but never the exterior. If you live anywhere near an ocean or sizable lake try your local chandlery for other choices. Good luck. Tom On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 9:17?PM Bob Spidell wrote: > Wifey has a furniture restoration hobby. She did a pretty good job on an > outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table > has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good > finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster > and last more than a season in the elements? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fitzgibbontm at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Mon May 11 06:50:34 2026 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 07:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] AGM battery: OK to lay it on its side? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34E7DC8F-3998-4233-A30E-4734F23500AF@gmail.com> > On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier wrote: > > ? > I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. > > I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side. This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals on top. Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previous owner? > Yes. Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation. Most say not upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting the terminals. > From mmeany7 at gmail.com Mon May 11 08:09:46 2026 From: mmeany7 at gmail.com (Mark Meany) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 10:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] one for the Woodworkers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > I second the use of Sikkens Cetol. I use it on my log home (Southwest New > Hampshire) and it holds up well against the weather. I end up doing a > maintenance coat every 5 years. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Mon May 11 09:26:09 2026 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 15:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] AGM battery: OK to lay it on its side? In-Reply-To: <34E7DC8F-3998-4233-A30E-4734F23500AF@gmail.com> References: <34E7DC8F-3998-4233-A30E-4734F23500AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2026118842.637681.1778513169923@mail.yahoo.com> Or, just making the connections would be really awkward. Dave On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 08:34:30 AM CDT, David Scheidt wrote: > On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier wrote: > > ? > I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. > > I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side.? This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals on top.? Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previous owner? > Yes.? Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation.? Most say not upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting the terminals. > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Mon May 11 09:35:29 2026 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 10:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] AGM battery: OK to lay it on its side? In-Reply-To: <2026118842.637681.1778513169923@mail.yahoo.com> References: <34E7DC8F-3998-4233-A30E-4734F23500AF@gmail.com> <2026118842.637681.1778513169923@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 11, 2026 at 10:26?AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Or, just making the connections would be really awkward. > > Dave > It turns out that as the car came to me this battery orientation is the only way the current cables will reach. Thanks to all who helped. On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 08:34:30 AM CDT, David Scheidt < dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier wrote: > > > > ? > > I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold > Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. > > > > I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on > its side. This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals > on top. Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previous owner? > > > > Yes. Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation. Most say not > upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting > the terminals. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com > > -- Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white 2003(?) BIrkin, green. www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jniolon at att.net Tue May 19 11:01:29 2026 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 12:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 minutes?15 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Speed does not effect it. Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off. It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? shortest was 4 minutes. When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the following? Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate coil and distributor? it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the original ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire harness?including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall here? Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? thanks john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Tue May 19 15:40:59 2026 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 17:40:59 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> Message-ID: John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely replaced. So, that rules that out... Or does it? My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component? I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right? Anyway, that is a stumper. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Sent by: "Shop-talk" Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 minutes?15 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Speed does not effect it. Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off. It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? shortest was 4 minutes. When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the following? Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate coil and distributor? it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the original ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire harness?including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall here? Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Tue May 19 16:10:43 2026 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 22:10:43 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] temp sensor Message-ID: I need to put a temperature sensor/gauge on my old Jeep. I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a recommendation for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps would is preferred. Thanks all tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Tue May 19 17:35:09 2026 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 18:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <058030A4-C43C-4061-82B8-E959E0C2D345@icloud.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jniolon at att.net Tue May 19 20:02:22 2026 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 21:02:22 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside something that we can't see. Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of traffic and not get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists john ----- Original Message ----- From: To: shop-talk Cc: john niolon Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely replaced. So, that rules that out... Or does it? My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component? I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right? Anyway, that is a stumper. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Sent by: "Shop-talk" Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 minutes?15 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Speed does not effect it. Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off. It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? shortest was 4 minutes. When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the following? Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate coil and distributor? it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the original ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire harness?including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall here? Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Wed May 20 02:41:05 2026 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 04:41:05 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] temp sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tim, Autometer makes some very nice mechanical temperature gauges. I am using on in one of my cars: Gauges - Auto Gage On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 9:25?PM Tim . wrote: > I need to put a temperature sensor/gauge on my old Jeep. > > I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a > recommendation for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps would > is preferred. > > Thanks all > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Wed May 20 02:53:32 2026 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 04:53:32 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> Message-ID: As you know, intermittent electrical problems are some of the most difficult to track down. About your only course of action is when it happens, try to monitor/measure all possible factors before you restart. Do any of the gauges or indicator lights indicate any problem when it occurs? Any audible clicks or pops? Does it only happen when it is hot outside, cold outside, wet outside, etc. Trying to find any common factor for the moment when the failure occurs could help you start to track it down. I know it seems unlikely, but if turning the ignition switch seems to solve the problem, it could be the ignition switch (I have had two ignition switches fail intermittently, so I am attentive to that possibility). You almost have to hope that whatever it is that fails briefly will fail permanently so that you can track it down. If it always occurred when you hit a bump (electrical connection) or after the engine had been running for an hour or so (overheated component), etc., you could start to track things down, but it seems totally random. On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:53?AM john niolon wrote: > Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it > for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything > from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms > and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. > > Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the > same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside > something > that we can't see. > > Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and > watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of > traffic and not > get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes > this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after all > the changes... it persists > > john > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* > *To:* shop-talk > *Cc:* john niolon > *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > ------------------------------ > John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had > all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely > replaced. So, that rules that out... > > Or does it? > > My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. > BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? > > Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other > component? > > I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside > a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? > > BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right? > > Anyway, that is a stumper. > > Moose > > > > From: "john niolon" > To: "shop-talk" > Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 > Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------ > > > Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? > > 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c > > Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and > > Transmission gear indicator > > > > When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. > > > > Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start > back up > > Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 > minutes?15 days or > > three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. > Speed does not effect it. > > Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or > off. It does not have a > > Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? > shortest was 4 minutes. > > > > When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is > spraying as it should > > So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the > following? > > > > Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery > cables (2 gauge I think) > > Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding > cable with new crimped > > connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points > > replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) > > replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, > separate coil and distributor? > > it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the > original ignition system. > > Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire > harness?including all > > Switches and relays. Professionally done. > > Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall > here? > > > > Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? > > thanks > > > > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Wed May 20 06:14:40 2026 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 08:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> Message-ID: John, I'm a big advocate of Power Probe tools. Here is a short circuit finder I have... https://www.amazon.com/Power-Probe-PWP-PPECT3000-ECT3000-Electrical/dp/B0719JV971/ref=sr_1_6 Note, the suite of PP tools is so much more powerful then I even use. If you are close to NJ, swing by and we can see what we can find if you don't want to dump the money into these tools 8>) (I did buy all of them because they are so helpful.) I had a similar short on a Jeep TJ about a while ago.(before I had them) I gave up trying to find it, then I dropped it off at a buddy's shop and I challenged him to find it. 4 months later, he fix it. It was a short in a wire clip. He used the PP. Of course if you had a new harness, that can't be the same thing, but the PP tools can find things that I didn't even know where issues. It also help me find a ground issue on trailer lights that was completely counter-intuitive. Moose From: "john niolon" To: eric at megageek.com, "shop-talk" Date: 05/19/2026 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside something that we can't see. Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of traffic and not get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists john ----- Original Message ----- From: To: shop-talk Cc: john niolon Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely replaced. So, that rules that out... Or does it? My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component? I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right? Anyway, that is a stumper. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Sent by: "Shop-talk" Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 minutes?15 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Speed does not effect it. Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off. It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? shortest was 4 minutes. When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the following? Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate coil and distributor? it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the original ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire harness?including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall here? Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Wed May 20 07:37:21 2026 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 08:37:21 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> References: <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <984EBEA7-1A3B-4108-A3CF-043AFE3672E2@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Wed May 20 08:19:14 2026 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 10:19:14 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> Message-ID: Not exactly the problem you're having, but maybe something similar. Decades ago when I worked for a Volkswagen dealer, we had a newish car that exhibited a similar electrical problem. The guy would go out to his car, try to crank it up to go to work, and it wouldn't start. He had it towed in three times and all three times they dropped it off the wrecker, it cranked up and drove perfectly. Finally, the fourth time he had the problem, my boss told me to get some tools and drive to the guy's house. I spent about 30 minutes tracing the problem, and finally found it. Underneath the carpet in the trunk of the car there was a wire connection for the fuel pump. A single wire plugged into another single wire inside of plastic connector. That connector was taped to the floor the back of the car. I traced the electrical problem to that point - power ahead of it and not after it. When I peeled the tape back, I found that the wires were plugged in far enough to touch, but not far enough to be permanently connected. I just pushed the wires together, and everything was fine. No more trouble. Apparently, the wires would retract from one another when it got a little cool, and break the connection to the fuel pump. Putting it on the wrecker and bouncing it to the shop was enough to remake the connection. On Tue, May 19, 2026, 13:23 john niolon wrote: > Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? > > 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c > > Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and > > Transmission gear indicator > > > > When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. > > > > Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start > back up > > Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 > minutes?15 days or > > three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Speed > does not effect it. > > Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or > off. It does not have a > > Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? > shortest was 4 minutes. > > > > When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is > spraying as it should > > So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the > following? > > > > Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery > cables (2 gauge I think) > > Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding > cable with new crimped > > connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points > > replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) > > replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, > separate coil and distributor? > > it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the > original ignition system. > > Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire > harness?including all > > Switches and relays. Professionally done. > > Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall > here? > > > > Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? > > thanks > > > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronnie.day at gmail.com Wed May 20 09:56:38 2026 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 10:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] temp sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like the AutoMeter gauges, too, particularly the larger, 270 degree sweep mechanical versions. All you have to do is glance at where the needle is to make sure the coolant temp is OK. I put one in my Datsun Roadster, along with a matching oil pressure gauge. Same ease of use. The installation was a snap using an Eqqus (IIRC) adapter set I picked up at a local O?Reilly?s. Wiring the lights is easy, too. Just don't use the crimp-on Scotch-Locs. They?re likely to eventually cut your wires. Check out Posi-Loc connectors on Amazon or Crutchfields. HTH, Ron On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 3:58?AM Douglas Shook wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Autometer makes some very nice mechanical temperature gauges. I am using > on in one of my cars: > > Gauges - Auto Gage > > > On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 9:25?PM Tim . > wrote: > >> I need to put a temperature sensor/gauge on my old Jeep. >> >> I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a >> recommendation for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps would >> is preferred. >> >> Thanks all >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Wed May 20 10:05:10 2026 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 09:05:10 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422EA59B-B0D3-4E73-9F4B-8549E5C42479@groupwbench.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marka at maracing.com Wed May 20 11:39:13 2026 From: marka at maracing.com (Mark Andy) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 13:39:13 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <058030A4-C43C-4061-82B8-E959E0C2D345@icloud.com> References: <058030A4-C43C-4061-82B8-E959E0C2D345@icloud.com> Message-ID: Howdy, I had a similar thing a long time ago with a more modern car... '99 Camaro. That did turn out to be grounding related (specifically, the grounds between the engine block and the chassis). But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs. it only occasionally having a problem. Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar path of course. Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just run a completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis. Maybe even one to the frame and one to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted on / getting its ground from? I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out either though. You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thing have an issue. I assume you've carefully inspected all related connectors for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc? Good luck! With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I took it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it or burn it. At that point I didn't care which way it went. :) Mark On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37?AM Pat Horne wrote: > Block to frame/body ground straps? > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On May 19, 2026, at 6:29?PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > megageek.com > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka at maracing.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From watsonm05 at comcast.net Wed May 20 12:06:01 2026 From: watsonm05 at comcast.net (watsonm05 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 18:06:01 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: References: <058030A4-C43C-4061-82B8-E959E0C2D345@icloud.com> Message-ID: Well, I've seen a lot of good suggestions but there's one part of the problem description that hasn't been addressed: "...Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator" What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it shouldn't? My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it's worth (maybe exactly what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) ) Mark ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Mark Andy Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Howdy, I had a similar thing a long time ago with a more modern car... '99 Camaro. That did turn out to be grounding related (specifically, the grounds between the engine block and the chassis). But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs. it only occasionally having a problem. Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar path of course. Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just run a completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis. Maybe even one to the frame and one to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted on / getting its ground from? I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out either though. You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thing have an issue. I assume you've carefully inspected all related connectors for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc? Good luck! With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I took it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it or burn it. At that point I didn't care which way it went. :) Mark On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37?AM Pat Horne > wrote: Block to frame/body ground straps? Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 19, 2026, at 6:29?PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: megageek.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka at maracing.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Wed May 20 18:39:57 2026 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 17:39:57 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> Message-ID: It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes? If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52?PM john niolon wrote: > Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it > for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything > from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms > and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. > > Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the > same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside > something > that we can't see. > > Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and > watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of > traffic and not > get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes > this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after all > the changes... it persists > > john > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* > *To:* shop-talk > *Cc:* john niolon > *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > ------------------------------ > John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had > all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely > replaced. So, that rules that out... > > Or does it? > > My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. > BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? > > Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other > component? > > I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside > a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? > > BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right? > > Anyway, that is a stumper. > > Moose > > > > From: "john niolon" > To: "shop-talk" > Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 > Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------ > > > Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? > > 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c > > Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and > > Transmission gear indicator > > > > When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. > > > > Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start > back up > > Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 > minutes?15 days or > > three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. > Speed does not effect it. > > Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or > off. It does not have a > > Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? > shortest was 4 minutes. > > > > When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is > spraying as it should > > So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the > following? > > > > Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery > cables (2 gauge I think) > > Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding > cable with new crimped > > connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points > > replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) > > replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, > separate coil and distributor? > > it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the > original ignition system. > > Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire > harness?including all > > Switches and relays. Professionally done. > > Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall > here? > > > > Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? > > thanks > > > > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Wed May 20 18:52:17 2026 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 17:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: References: <058030A4-C43C-4061-82B8-E959E0C2D345@icloud.com> Message-ID: Good point!! Is this a column shift? I'm betting the first thing that happens when the engine quits is the gear shifter gets moved. (Into neutral or park, if stopped; into neutral to coast off the road if it happens while driving...) Moving the shifter could be changing whether spark is being called for. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Wed, May 20, 2026, 11:15?AM watsonm05 at comcast.net wrote: > Well, I've seen a lot of good suggestions but there's one part of the > problem description that hasn't been addressed: > > "...Dakota digital dash system *including neutral safety switch* and > Transmission gear indicator" > > What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it > shouldn't? > > My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it's worth (maybe exactly > what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) ) > > Mark > ------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Mark > Andy > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM > *To:* shop-talk > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > > Howdy, > > I had a similar thing a long time ago with a more modern car... '99 > Camaro. That did turn out to be grounding related (specifically, the > grounds between the engine block and the chassis). > > But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs. it only occasionally > having a problem. Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar path of > course. Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just run a > completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis. > Maybe even one to the frame and one to whatever sheet metal your ignition > stuff is mounted on / getting its ground from? > > I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out > either though. You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thing > have an issue. I assume you've carefully inspected all related connectors > for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc? > > Good luck! With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I took > it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it or > burn it. At that point I didn't care which way it went. :) > > Mark > > On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37?AM Pat Horne wrote: > > Block to frame/body ground straps? > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On May 19, 2026, at 6:29?PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > > > megageek.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka at maracing.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jniolon at att.net Wed May 20 20:40:45 2026 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 21:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UnBoqT4Pv.6ODOTxYh055@johns-desktop> yes Al... it shuts down like you turned off the ignition... now a starving type dying as for moving the shift lever to neutral... that is the first thing done to keep momentum to get it off the road... As far as going into park... it has never failed while sitting still or parked, it's always when moving. Jim... this is a custom street rod and other than maybe the spark control box not sensing enough voltage there are no other sensors. Jeff, both us and the wiring guru have tried to check every connection that might be suspect and found nothing, but we're not ruling out a pin slipping back inside a connector like David suggested... I've had that happen in my truck... it was the devil to find. something to check... Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys... I wish the dang thing would just fail completely and stay that way... maybe even make some smoke (just a little) At least we'd have a failure point instead of a gremlin like this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Fuller To: john niolon Cc: , shop-talk Sent: 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes? If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52?PM john niolon wrote: Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside something that we can't see. Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of traffic and not get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists john ----- Original Message ----- From: To: shop-talk Cc: john niolon Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely replaced. So, that rules that out... Or does it? My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component? I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right? Anyway, that is a stumper. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Sent by: "Shop-talk" Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 minutes?15 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Speed does not effect it. Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off. It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? shortest was 4 minutes. When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the following? Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate coil and distributor? it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the original ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire harness?including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall here? Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Thu May 21 04:55:53 2026 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 10:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <932188095.4158817.1779360953374@mail.yahoo.com> Check the easy stuff first.? If you suspect the ignition, swap in a new rotor.? Easy cheap and if it doesn't fix it, you can rule that out and move on. Dave On Wednesday, May 20, 2026 at 07:46:47 PM CDT, Al Fuller wrote: It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes? If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52?PM john niolon wrote: Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.? Harness was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.? He completely strips everythingfrom the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can.?Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap.?? I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside somethingthat we can't see.?Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of traffic and notget plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter....?? and yes this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists?john? ----- Original Message -----From: To: shop-talk Cc: john niolon Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PMSubject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problemJohn, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.? But you stated the wiring harness what completely replaced. So, that rules that out... Or does it? My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.? BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component? I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.? Maybe inside the alt or other part? BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right? Anyway, that is a stumper. Moose From: ? ? ? ?"john niolon" To: ? ? ? ?"shop-talk" Date: ? ? ? ?05/19/2026 13:16 Subject: ? ? ? ?[Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Sent by: ? ? ? ?"Shop-talk" Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator ? When it is running right, it?s scary strong.? Cruises nicely. ? Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.? Might be 15 minutes?15 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.? Speed does not effect it. Engine temp does not effect it? ?does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.? It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system.? Longest period with no failure is 7 months? shortest was 4 minutes. ? When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort.? So far we?ve done the following? ? Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate coil and distributor? it was taken from running vehicle.? It's doing the same ?thing as the original ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire harness?including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch? ?we are at the wall here? ? Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? ? thanks ? john ?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Thu May 21 18:44:19 2026 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller) Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 17:44:19 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem In-Reply-To: <1UnBoqT4Pv.6ODOTxYh055@johns-desktop> References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> <1UnBoqT4Pv.6ODOTxYh055@johns-desktop> Message-ID: Ok. If it shuts down like the ignition was cut off, I'll go out on a limb and say ... The ignition was cut off somewhere. I'd work backwards from the cylinders, checking for single failure points. (For instance, a single bad spark plug or secondary wire won't shut down the whole engine, but an intermittent ground at a distributor or spark pack might just.) Btw, is this a points engine or electronic? ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Wed, May 20, 2026, 7:40?PM john niolon wrote: > yes Al... it shuts down like you turned off the ignition... now a > starving type dying > > as for moving the shift lever to neutral... that is the first thing done > to keep momentum to get it off the road... As far as going into park... it > has never failed while sitting still or parked, it's always when moving. > > Jim... this is a custom street rod and other than maybe the spark control > box not sensing enough voltage there are no other sensors. > > Jeff, both us and the wiring guru have tried to check every connection > that might be suspect and found nothing, but we're not ruling out a pin > slipping back inside a connector like David suggested... > I've had that happen in my truck... it was the devil to find. something > to check... > > Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys... I wish the dang thing > would just fail completely and stay that way... maybe even make some smoke > (just a little) At least we'd have a failure point instead of > a gremlin like this. > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* Al Fuller > *To:* john niolon > *Cc:* , shop-talk > *Sent:* 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > ------------------------------ > It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has > fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you > appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden > dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes? > > If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system > that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the > prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered. > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52?PM john niolon wrote: > >> Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it >> for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything >> from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice >> looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. >> >> Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the >> same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside >> something >> that we can't see. >> >> Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit >> and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of >> traffic and not >> get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes >> this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after all >> the changes... it persists >> >> john >> >> >> *----- Original Message -----* >> *From:* >> *To:* shop-talk >> *Cc:* john niolon >> *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem >> ------------------------------ >> John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had >> all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely >> replaced. So, that rules that out... >> >> Or does it? >> >> My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. >> BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? >> >> Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other >> component? >> >> I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside >> a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? >> >> BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, >> right? >> >> Anyway, that is a stumper. >> >> Moose >> >> >> >> From: "john niolon" >> To: "shop-talk" >> Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 >> Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem >> Sent by: "Shop-talk" >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with? >> >> 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c >> >> Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and >> >> Transmission gear indicator >> >> >> >> When it is running right, it?s scary strong. Cruises nicely. >> >> >> >> Problem? when driving the engine dies like you cut it off?BUT will start >> back up >> >> Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 >> minutes?15 days or >> >> three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. >> Speed does not effect it. >> >> Engine temp does not effect it? does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or >> off. It does not have a >> >> Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months? >> shortest was 4 minutes. >> >> >> >> When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is >> spraying as it should >> >> So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we?ve done the >> following? >> >> >> >> Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery >> cables (2 gauge I think) >> >> Replaced all ground cables frame/block? frame/chassis with 2/0 welding >> cable with new crimped >> >> connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points >> >> replaced ignition switch (twice? first with import then with oem switch) >> >> replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, >> separate coil and distributor? >> >> it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the >> original ignition system. >> >> Replaced complete wiring harness?headlight to taillight with new Autowire >> harness?including all >> >> Switches and relays. Professionally done. >> >> Everything else electrical works without a glitch? we are at the wall >> here? >> >> >> >> Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed? >> >> thanks >> >> >> >> john >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: