From eric at megageek.com  Thu May  1 02:41:01 2025
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 04:41:01 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CMmzU0MZRrz4K5aDg+Z68H0Jqaju_CioOGQCYCPnW8tpg@mail.gmail.com>
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Turns out, those chaps work by gumming up and stalling the engine.  Since 
electric saws don't stall, they can keep cutting.

I know they still will stop the saw, but not always as fast. 

If I wasn't laying in the hospital, I would find the official site 
guidance on this.  But here I am.

Anyway, always be careful no matter what you are using.

Moose





From:   Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
To:     eric at megageek.com
Cc:     Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Date:   04/30/2025 09:45 PM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw





On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 6:11?PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

In either case, I want to remind ANYONE using a battery chain saw that the 
chaps that protect you will NOT work on an electric one.

I'm curious - could you say more about this? 

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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Thu May  1 06:33:38 2025
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 08:33:38 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw
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Not to hijack the thread, but: sorry to hear this.  I hope everything is, or soon will be, ok.

> On May 1, 2025, at 4:41?AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> If I wasn't laying in the hospital, I would find the official site guidance on this.  But here I am.

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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Thu May  1 07:07:45 2025
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 09:07:45 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw
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I'm in the Milwaukee hemisphere and have both their 16" electric chainsaw
and their 10" electric pole saw.  I've found that I use the pole saw about
90% of the time.  I had 85 70' high pine trees that lined my driveway.  The
power company removed the top 50' of the trees and left me with the lower
20'.  I had to de-limb the trees with the pole saw and then had a logger
cut down the 20' logs.  The pole saw worked unbelievably well for this
task.  I even added an extra 3' extension to the pole saw at times to give
me up to a 9' reach.  Standing on  a 10' ladder let me reach the top of the
trees.

I also use the pole saw for all of my annual storm clean up work and it
does great even with logs up to about 8" in diameter.  The only issue I
ever had was with their 12amp hour battery.  After a couple of years it
failed, they sent a replacement that lasted a year and then they stopped
responding to me about it.  I now use 5amp hour and 4amp hour batteries for
both saws.

Brad

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 6:12?PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> John,
>
> My experience (and I'm pretty sure I posted it here, but I did write to
> Dewalt about it) was that there chainsaw had 2 major issues.  1-The oil
> leaks constantly, even if off, if it isn't hung on the hook.  That means if
> you have it in the truck on the floor, the oil will be empty when you get
> to the job site.  Dewalt stated that was "As Designed"!  My Milwaukee
> doesn't do that.
>
> The other problem is the weak plastic, single screw to hold the chain on
> with a clutch,  I could never get mine to tighten properly and would
> constantly throw the chain.
>
> I still have my Dewalt, but it will only be used if I don't want to damage
> my Big Red (if I'm cutting branches over water or something.)
>
> In either case, I want to remind ANYONE using a battery chain saw that the
> chaps that protect you will NOT work on an electric one.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com>
> To:        eric at megageek.com
> Cc:        Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Date:        04/30/2025 02:26 PM
> Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> I have the Dewalt saw, and I disagree.  It has worked great for me.  but
> there are actually at least 4 different models in the Dewalt line up.  I
> have the "OG" 20V saw with the 16" bar from when they first came out, the
> 20V 8" pole saw" and the 60V 20" saw that came out about a year ago.  All
> work great for me.  The 60V saw has completely replaced my gas powered 20"
> Stihl.
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 12:29?PM <*eric at megageek.com* <eric at megageek.com>>
> wrote:
> I can tell you that the Milwaukee one works great.  DO NOT buy the dewalt
> one.  This is coming from someone that LOVES and owns almost exclusively
> Dewalt.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        "john niolon" <*jniolon at att.net* <jniolon at att.net>>
> To:        "shop-talk" <*shop-talk at autox.team.net*
> <shop-talk at autox.team.net>>
> Date:        04/30/2025 12:57 PM
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] battery chain saw
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <*shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net*
> <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw..  with 75
> oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter from 1" up
> to 3" and I think this is easier than manual saw...especially since I saw
> my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard debris
> using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.;
>
> any recommendations on brand, voltage, size...  budget is a consideration
> as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy
>
> thanks
> john
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu May 22 13:14:07 2025
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 12:14:07 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto movers
Message-ID: <CADkpZwEtRxhwKgxJgQM3YueYX802zHtEmdUJ9p4ordHp56pbMg@mail.gmail.com>

So a friend needs to move a car from LA to Detroit, and wonders who would
be a good choice. AFAIK it's drivable and doesn't need to be in an enclosed
carrier.

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From dirtbeard at live.com  Sat May 24 06:12:24 2025
From: dirtbeard at live.com (Old Dirtbeard)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2025 12:12:24 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto movers
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Hi Al,

I have bought cars on online auctions, most recently a '56 Lotus Eleven on Bring a Trailer, and have used shippers to truck the cars.

My experience has been that some shippers tend to specialize in certain areas or certain types of shipments (e.g., intrastate, interstate, coast-to-coast, exotics, fleets, etc.).

The prices quoted will range quite dramatically from different carriers for the same distance. Covered/enclosed carriers cost about 30-50% more than open carriers. I have only used covered carriers.

Some carriers will load multiple cars on the same truck and you will need to wait for the truck to have a full load before they start the journey. Others will load and deliver one car. He will want to ascertain the arrangement upfront.

For longer trips like LA to Detroit, I would try to locate a Detroit-based carrier who has an LA delivery to make and probably would give a better price for an LA to Detroit delivery to avoid driving an empty truck back. If your friend can wait, he might be able to get a significant discount if he cooperates with the trucker's current delivery schedule.

If the car has good paint, he might want to consider a covered carrier as one might encounter dust storms, hail, stones, gravel, etc., on a 1,500-mile trip.

I also would suggest checking both the national/regional firms as well as local mom and pop trucking firms. If it costs a bit more to have it arrive undented, it is well worth another hundred dollars instead of the cost of repainting the car or fixing the dents or scratches.

If the car will not start and move under its own power, it will cost considerably more to ship as you can imagine.


best,


des

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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 12:14 PM
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto movers

So a friend needs to move a car from LA to Detroit, and wonders who would be a good choice. AFAIK it's drivable and doesn't need to be in an enclosed carrier.

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From strovato at optonline.net  Sat May 24 09:32:12 2025
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2025 11:32:12 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto movers
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Last time I did this was 2013 and I used Intercity Lines enclosed 
transport.  The inoperable surcharge at the time was only about 
$100.  Apparently this is not important in this case if the car is 
operable.  But if it isn't, check with the shipper before you assume 
the worst.

-Steve T.

At 08:12 AM 5/24/2025, Old Dirtbeard wrote:
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>Hi Al,
>
>If the car will not start and move under its own power, it will cost 
>considerably more to ship as you can imagine.
>
>best,
>
>
>des


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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:16:38 2025
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2025 12:16:38 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto movers
Message-ID: <CADkpZwGz_4LZ63ATA9eYGX-=RT7uoY4-re7hjNz-D7B9UaB0nQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all for the suggestions, I'll pass them on!



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From eric at megageek.com  Sun May 25 06:37:38 2025
From: eric at megageek.com (Moose)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 08:37:38 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
Message-ID: <OFED95BD10.23E1F2D5-ON85258C95.0043EA34-85258C95.00455E5E@mail.megageek.com>

Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. Hopefully 
someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 
'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic 
shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) 

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge 
you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the 
issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new 
transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. 
So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax 
report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition 
to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where 
it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission 
problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong. No 
vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you 
give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas 
pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, 
no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the 
slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it 
start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and 
that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that 
doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a 
good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's 
that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you 
are from.)

Have a great weekend!

Moose
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Sun May 25 07:21:06 2025
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 09:21:06 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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I put < *2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a
'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher *
<https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>
>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>
into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer
but maybe it's in there somewhere...

EjR

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40?AM Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> Braintrust,
>
> I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.
> Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>
> The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a
> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>
> Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic
> shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>
> When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge
> you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues,
> she didn't want to give them more money.
>
> She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new
> transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So
> they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax
> report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to
> the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.
>
> It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where
> it should be.  So I did a road test.
>
> Here is the crazy part.
> There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission
> problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No
> vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you
> give it throttle.
>
> So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas
> pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.
>
> If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking,
> no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the
> slightest.
>
> Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>
> I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it
> start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and
> that it's a simple fix.
>
> I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that
> doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a
> good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)
>
> Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's
> that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you
> are from.)
>
> Have a great weekend!
>
> Moose_______________________________________________
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun May 25 08:25:09 2025
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 07:25:09 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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I put that query to Google 'AI' and got at least one suggestion that 
isn't likely: synchronizers. This isn't likely because synchros are only 
in action when you engage the gear, and the usual symptom is hard 
shifting. So, I'll throw my semi-educated guess in (Disclaimer: I've 
only rebuilt a couple transmissions, both std/manual).

First, though, some questions: /Why did she take the car to a shop in 
the first place?/ For the 'whirring noise?' Did the noise just start, 
she just noticed it or was it noisy after she got it back from the shop, 
but not before? Was it there after she got it back, but it was tolerable 
and got worse over a year? I don't know what a shop could do to cause a 
gearbox to /start /making noise that wouldn't cause serious damage. 
Maybe put bad/wrong fluid in or, a deliberate act of sabotage like 
putting some kind of abrasive in the box.

Knowing these would help a bit, but my guess is bearing/s, either 
input/output or layshaft (though I wouldn't expect that on a maintained 
box before at least 100K miles). A good/honest shop would stand by their 
work, if they did anything, and the best ones would rebuild the box, and 
not just throw a junkyard box in there; getting the box out/in is the 
hardest work, going through a manual on the bench is /almost/ fun. If 
you're able, I'd try a fluid change and put one of the better synthetic 
fluids; Redline and others make some good ones.

My most recent experience with a transmission was with my '96 Ranger 
(3-spd auto with overdrive and 134K miles). Started not shifting, 
holding a gear, etc. so I took it to a local shop, who didn't say off 
the bat I needed a transmission, but did some diagnosis (then they told 
me). It needed a complete rebuild, which cost me $3,500 but the truck's 
worth it, and they showed me the worn/replaced parts. They insist I 
bring it back in in a year for service to keep the warranty, which seems 
reasonable (there will likely be some clutch wear-in and a new filter 
and fluid would be in order). They also told me the Rangers used the 
same gearbox as Pintos, which chafed my hide a little (thanks, Ford ;).

Kudos to the lady for 'driving a stick.'

Bob



On 5/25/2025 6:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
> I put < /2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 
> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher / 
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>> 
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8> 
> into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual 
> answer but maybe it's in there?somewhere...
>
> EjR
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40?AM Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>
>     Braintrust,
>
>     I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.?
>     Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>
>     The issue, ? 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission
>     makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>
>     Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise
>     mechanic shop. ?(owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>
>     When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to
>     charge you to look at it." ?So since she already suspected they
>     caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.
>
>     She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new
>     transmission." ?That will more than likely exceed the valve of the
>     Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.? Note, in
>     their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new
>     transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust
>     them either.
>
>     It's a manual 5 speed.? I checked the fluid level and it is
>     exactly where it should be.? So I did a road test.
>
>     Here is the crazy part.
>     There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any
>     transmission problems.? No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth
>     and pulls strong.? No vibrations.? The only thing is that noise,
>     and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.
>
>     So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off
>     the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas,
>     noise returns.
>
>     If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.? If you are engine
>     braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the
>     gas in the slightest.
>
>     Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>
>     I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to
>     make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to
>     get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.
>
>     I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl
>     that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.?
>     She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus
>     points for me. 8>)
>
>     Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the
>     Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no
>     matter what country you are from.)
>
>     Have a great weekend!
>
>     Moose_______________________________________________
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun May 25 08:29:56 2025
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 07:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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Oh, 'one more thing:' If you do a fluid change, drain into a really 
clean container and check the fluid carefully for metal (use a magnet, 
etc.). If there's more than a tiny bit--some wear is normal, we are 
crunch a shift once-in-a-while--then a tear-down/replacement is the only 
option.

bs


On 5/25/2025 6:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
> I put < /2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 
> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher / 
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>> 
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8> 
> into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual 
> answer but maybe it's in there?somewhere...
>
> EjR
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40?AM Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>
>     Braintrust,
>
>     I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.?
>     Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>
>     The issue, ? 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission
>     makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>
>     Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise
>     mechanic shop. ?(owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>
>     When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to
>     charge you to look at it." ?So since she already suspected they
>     caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.
>
>     She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new
>     transmission." ?That will more than likely exceed the valve of the
>     Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.? Note, in
>     their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new
>     transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust
>     them either.
>
>     It's a manual 5 speed.? I checked the fluid level and it is
>     exactly where it should be.? So I did a road test.
>
>     Here is the crazy part.
>     There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any
>     transmission problems.? No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth
>     and pulls strong.? No vibrations.? The only thing is that noise,
>     and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.
>
>     So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off
>     the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas,
>     noise returns.
>
>     If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.? If you are engine
>     braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the
>     gas in the slightest.
>
>     Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>
>     I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to
>     make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to
>     get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.
>
>     I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl
>     that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.?
>     She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus
>     points for me. 8>)
>
>     Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the
>     Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no
>     matter what country you are from.)
>
>     Have a great weekend!
>
>     Moose_______________________________________________
>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun May 25 09:02:50 2025
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 11:02:50 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?  My TR6 had an
annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the
diff.

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> Braintrust,
>
> I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.
> Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>
> The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a
> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>
> Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic
> shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>
> When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge
> you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues,
> she didn't want to give them more money.
>
> She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new
> transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So
> they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax
> report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to
> the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.
>
> It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where
> it should be.  So I did a road test.
>
> Here is the crazy part.
> There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission
> problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No
> vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you
> give it throttle.
>
> So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas
> pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.
>
> If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking,
> no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the
> slightest.
>
> Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>
> I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it
> start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and
> that it's a simple fix.
>
> I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that
> doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a
> good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)
>
> Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's
> that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you
> are from.)
>
> Have a great weekend!
>
> Moose_______________________________________________
>
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From eric at megageek.com  Sun May 25 09:04:08 2025
From: eric at megageek.com (Moose)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 11:04:08 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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First, I did search google, but what I found all seemed to point to issues 
that had other symptoms that are not present in this car.  Sorry, I should 
have stated that in the op.


Bob asks,

>Why did she take the car to a shop in the first place?
The check engine light was on and they fixed that for her.  She doesn't 
remember what they said they did (nor is it in the Carfax.)  Car made no 
noise when she brought it in.

>I don't know what a shop could do to cause a gearbox to start
I'm not sure the noise is coming from the gear box.  It does increase with 
speed, but it doesn't seem like there is any problem in the tranny.  Note, 
she has been driving this car for about a year like this, it hasn't gotten 
worse.

>If you do a fluid change, drain into a really clean container 
This is a great idea. I think my next steps are to hook up a mechanic's 
mic with 4 remotes and see where the sound is coming from, a fluid change, 
and see where were are after that.

>Kudos to the lady for 'driving a stick.'
And she is only 32 years old!  A 'young' lady rocking a stick shift!  8>) 
(another reason I'd love to get this fixed for her.)


Moose
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From eric at megageek.com  Sun May 25 09:15:27 2025
From: eric at megageek.com (Moose)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 11:15:27 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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Jeff, this is a good idea.  Will do.

The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it 
ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), 
but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.

Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, 
or at least under load?

But I plan to do a much deeper dive.

Thanks again to everyone with this.

Moose



From:   Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
To:     Moose <eric at megageek.com>
Cc:     "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   05/25/2025 11:03
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???



Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?  My TR6 had an 
annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the 
diff.  

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust, 

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  
Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. 

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 
'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. 

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic 
shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) 

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge 
you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the 
issues, she didn't want to give them more money. 

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new 
transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. 
So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax 
report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition 
to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either. 

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where 
it should be.  So I did a road test. 

Here is the crazy part. 
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission 
problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  
No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when 
you give it throttle. 

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas 
pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns. 

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, 
no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the 
slightest. 

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. 

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it 
start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and 
that it's a simple fix. 

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that 
doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a 
good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) 

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's 
that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you 
are from.) 

Have a great weekend! 

Moose_______________________________________________

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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sun May 25 09:47:46 2025
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 08:47:46 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd:  Manual transmission issue???
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I realize that I did not reply to the group...

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From: Douglas Shook <dirtbeard at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 25, 2025 at 7:03?AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
To: Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com>


First I will say that I am not a transmission expert.

I have, however, rebuilt several gearboxes including the Healey rib case in
my Lotus Eleven and one in my BSA B50 motorcycle, and have listened at
length to different gearbox noises.

>From the description of it being gear specific and only under acceleration,
If it only occurred in one gear and ticked or chattered, I would postulate
that you have pitting or chipped teeth on the "drive-side" face of the main
shaft and layshaft teeth for that gear.

I do not know the internals of that specific gearbox, but the fact that it
occurs on 3rd - 5th and it is whirring, I would suggest you have a failing
bearing, probably on the layshaft.

It may last for a long time, or it could spit-out some needle rollers
(assuming it uses needle roller bearings on the layshaft) and have an
immediate failure for those gears.

I am surmising that because it does not occur in the lower gears, it mostly
likely is not a mainshaft bearing. If I am correct and the bearing fails,
you might be able to limp home in the lower gears as long as the rollers do
not land in some inopportune location inside the gearbox. ;-)

For what it is worth... ;-)

Best,

doug

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 6:27?AM Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I put < *2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a
> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher *
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>
> >
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>
> into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer
> but maybe it's in there somewhere...
>
> EjR
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40?AM Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>
>> Braintrust,
>>
>> I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.
>> Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>>
>> The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a
>> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>>
>> Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise
>> mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>>
>> When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge
>> you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues,
>> she didn't want to give them more money.
>>
>> She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new
>> transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So
>> they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax
>> report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to
>> the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.
>>
>> It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where
>> it should be.  So I did a road test.
>>
>> Here is the crazy part.
>> There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission
>> problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No
>> vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you
>> give it throttle.
>>
>> So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas
>> pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.
>>
>> If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking,
>> no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the
>> slightest.
>>
>> Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>>
>> I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it
>> start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and
>> that it's a simple fix.
>>
>> I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that
>> doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a
>> good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)
>>
>> Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the
>> Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what
>> country you are from.)
>>
>> Have a great weekend!
>>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun May 25 09:55:29 2025
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 08:55:29 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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One of my Austin-Healeys has diff whine since I put in taller gears, and 
it whines on accel or decel, but I'll be damned if I can recall which it 
is offhand. The other possibility is the throw-out bearing, but it would 
likely whine all the time (and eventually fail outright).

None of these would trigger a CEL; what was the cause of that (should be 
on the invoice she got from the shop)?


On 5/25/2025 8:15 AM, Moose wrote:
> Jeff, this is a good idea. ?Will do.
>
> The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give 
> it ANY throttle. ?So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under 
> load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.
>
> Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the 
> time, or at least under load?
>
> But I plan to do a much deeper dive.
>
> Thanks again to everyone with this.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: Moose <eric at megageek.com>
> Cc: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date: 05/25/2025 11:03
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts? My TR6 had an 
> annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in 
> the diff.
>
> Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <_eric at megageek.com_ 
> <mailto:eric at megageek.com>> wrote:
> Braintrust,
>
> I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. 
> Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>
> The issue, ? 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission 
> makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>
> Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise 
> mechanic shop. ?(owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>
> When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to 
> charge you to look at it." ?So since she already suspected they caused 
> the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.
>
> She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new 
> transmission." ?That will more than likely exceed the valve of the 
> Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.? Note, in 
> their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new 
> transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them 
> either.
>
> It's a manual 5 speed.? I checked the fluid level and it is exactly 
> where it should be.? So I did a road test.
>
> Here is the crazy part.
> There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission 
> problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls 
> strong.? No vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY 
> happens when you give it throttle.
>
> So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the 
> gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise 
> returns.
>
> If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.? If you are engine 
> braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas 
> in the slightest.
>
> Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>
> I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make 
> it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it 
> fixed and that it's a simple fix.
>
> I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that 
> doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.? She is also 
> a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)
>
> Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the 
> Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter 
> what country you are from.)
>
> Have a great weekend!
>
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From neiljsherry at talktalk.net  Sun May 25 10:17:23 2025
From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (neiljsherry at talktalk.net)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 17:17:23 +0100
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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Being only in higher gears suggests the gearbox - if it was the diff that would surely be the same in all gears - potentially more in lower gears due to increased torque. My bet would be on layshaft bearing at the end of the cluster closest to where the higher gears are. Can't see how it would suddenly appear after shop visit though, unless they did some really stupid like draining the fluid and driving it before refilling - or wrong grade fluid and damage done so the second change didn't fix it.

On 25 May 2025 16:15:27 BST, Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>Jeff, this is a good idea.  Will do.
>
>The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it 
>ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), 
>but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.
>
>Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, 
>or at least under load?
>
>But I plan to do a much deeper dive.
>
>Thanks again to everyone with this.
>
>Moose
>
>
>
>From:   Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
>To:     Moose <eric at megageek.com>
>Cc:     "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>Date:   05/25/2025 11:03
>Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
>
>
>
>Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?  My TR6 had an 
>annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the 
>diff.  
>
>Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.
>
>On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>Braintrust, 
>
>I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  
>Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. 
>
>The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 
>'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. 
>
>Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic 
>shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) 
>
>When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge 
>you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the 
>issues, she didn't want to give them more money. 
>
>She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new 
>transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. 
>So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax 
>report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition 
>to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either. 
>
>It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where 
>it should be.  So I did a road test. 
>
>Here is the crazy part. 
>There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission 
>problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  
>No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when 
>you give it throttle. 
>
>So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas 
>pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns. 
>
>If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, 
>no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the 
>slightest. 
>
>Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. 
>
>I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it 
>start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and 
>that it's a simple fix. 
>
>I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that 
>doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a 
>good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) 
>
>Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's 
>that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you 
>are from.) 
>
>Have a great weekend! 
>
>Moose_______________________________________________
>
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sun May 25 10:50:18 2025
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 11:50:18 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 11:52:04 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Sun May 25 18:53:29 2025
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 20:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
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Helical gears present an axial load, usually addressed with thrust 
bearings. Failing ball bearings can make a whirring sound, so a ball 
bearing that handles the axial thrust could be the culprit. I'm guessing 
that the axial load would be greater in higher gears so that's where 
it's noticeable. Your deeper dive into noise analysis may reveal fainter 
noise in the lower gears. Again, mostly a guess, but I used to replace 
bearings on one of my 3-cylinder Saabs quite regularly because of noise.

The good news, I suppose, is that it seems unlikely? that such a 
condition could have been the fault of the repair shop. I don't know how 
you could cause that damage from the outside.

My solution would be to hunt for a salvage yard transmission. And help 
her with the labor.

On 5/25/2025 12:52 PM, Pat Horne wrote:
> Also, try up hill & down.
>
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On May 25, 2025, at 10:51?AM, Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>
> ?Jeff, this is a good idea. ?Will do.
>
> The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give 
> it ANY throttle. ?So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under 
> load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.
>
> Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the 
> time, or at least under load?
>
> But I plan to do a much deeper dive.
>
> Thanks again to everyone with this.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: Moose <eric at megageek.com>
> Cc: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date: 05/25/2025 11:03
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts? My TR6 had an 
> annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in 
> the diff.
>
> Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <_eric at megageek.com_ 
> <mailto:eric at megageek.com>> wrote:
> Braintrust,
>
> I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. 
> Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>
> The issue, ? 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission 
> makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>
> Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise 
> mechanic shop. ?(owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>
> When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to 
> charge you to look at it." ?So since she already suspected they caused 
> the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.
>
> She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new 
> transmission." ?That will more than likely exceed the valve of the 
> Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.? Note, in 
> their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new 
> transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them 
> either.
>
> It's a manual 5 speed.? I checked the fluid level and it is exactly 
> where it should be.? So I did a road test.
>
> Here is the crazy part.
> There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission 
> problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls 
> strong.? No vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY 
> happens when you give it throttle.
>
> So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the 
> gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise 
> returns.
>
> If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.? If you are engine 
> braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas 
> in the slightest.
>
> Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>
> I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make 
> it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it 
> fixed and that it's a simple fix.
>
> I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that 
> doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.? She is also 
> a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)
>
> Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the 
> Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter 
> what country you are from.)
>
> Have a great weekend!
>
> Moose_______________________________________________
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From dirtbeard at live.com  Mon May 26 06:57:00 2025
From: dirtbeard at live.com (Old Dirtbeard)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 12:57:00 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd:  Manual transmission issue???
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In addition to all that has been said already, I would be quite confident in it being gearbox-oriented primarily due to it being gear-specific.

Gearboxes are as easy to change as changing a clutch. If it were an old classic car I might be inclined to open it up and change the offending bearing or gears, but for a modern Jeep, I would do as Jim suggested and just grab a low-mileage box from a junkyard and swap it in. The cost or time in labor for rebuilding one vs. swapping a junkyard one usually makes swapping to be the logical choice. I would think that there should be a good supply of them in junkyards. You can put in a fresh clutch while you are at it.

If you wanted to open up the extant gearbox after the swap and replace the offending parts, you then would have a spare on hand ready if the junkyard one ends up failing in the future.


best,


doug

________________________________

First I will say that I am not a transmission expert.

I have, however, rebuilt several gearboxes including the Healey rib case in my Lotus Eleven and one in my BSA B50 motorcycle, and have listened at length to different gearbox noises.

From the description of it being gear specific and only under acceleration, If it only occurred in one gear and ticked or chattered, I would postulate that you have pitting or chipped teeth on the "drive-side" face of the main shaft and layshaft teeth for that gear.

I do not know the internals of that specific gearbox, but the fact that it occurs on 3rd - 5th and it is whirring, I would suggest you have a failing bearing, probably on the layshaft.

It may last for a long time, or it could spit-out some needle rollers (assuming it uses needle roller bearings on the layshaft) and have an immediate failure for those gears.

I am surmising that because it does not occur in the lower gears, it mostly likely is not a mainshaft bearing. If I am correct and the bearing fails, you might be able to limp home in the lower gears as long as the rollers do not land in some inopportune location inside the gearbox. ;-)

For what it is worth... ;-)

Best,

doug

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 6:27?AM Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com<mailto:ejrussell61 at gmail.com>> wrote:
I put < <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8> 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher<https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8> <https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8> ><https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8> into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer but maybe it's in there somewhere...

EjR

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40?AM Moose <eric at megageek.com<mailto:eric at megageek.com>> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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From eric at megageek.com  Mon May 26 08:03:11 2025
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 10:03:11 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd:  Manual transmission issue???
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Doug writes...

>In addition to all that has been said already, I would be quite confident 
in it being gearbox-oriented primarily due to it being gear-specific. 

After some of the replies, I am considering that the noise *may* be 
present at lower gears, but just not as loud.  FWIW, I'm mostly dead these 
days, which is good considering I don't care what most people say!  8>) 
(present company excluded!)

Once I get the car back, I'll have someone with much better ears listen as 
well.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.  This one baffles me and I'm curious 
to find exactly what it is now, just to answer the mystery!

Moose

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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 10:04:27 2025
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 09:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Manual transmission issue???
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I assume you meant mostly deaf, as opposed to mostly dead!!  :)

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On Mon, May 26, 2025, 7:10?AM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> Doug writes...
>
> >In addition to all that has been said already, I would be quite confident
> in it being gearbox-oriented primarily due to it being gear-specific.
>
> After some of the replies, I am considering that the noise *may* be
> present at lower gears, but just not as loud.  FWIW, I'm mostly dead these
> days, which is good considering I don't care what most people say!  8>)
>  (present company excluded!)
>
> Once I get the car back, I'll have someone with much better ears listen as
> well.
>
> Thanks again for all the suggestions.  This one baffles me and I'm curious
> to find exactly what it is now, just to answer the mystery!
>
> Moose
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From eric at megageek.com  Wed May 28 14:17:14 2025
From: eric at megageek.com (Moose)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 16:17:14 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener issue
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I have a 23 year old Raynor Powerhoist commercial unit. (it's for a 14' X 
14' door.)

Just out of nowhere, it started going up a foot and closing.  Over and 
over again. 
I have all the remotes, and nothing changed. 
I also disconnected the door and the unit still does this so it isn't a 
door/spring/resistance issue.
I live in the middle of nowhere, so there isn't any interference possible.
There are no unusable noises. Unit is working fine opening and closing 
even with the door connected. No other noise or issues. 
I haven't touched this unit, the door or the track in a long time. 

Anyone got any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Moose
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed May 28 14:46:12 2025
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 16:46:12 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener issue
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I had a similar thing happen with an 8 year-old Liftmaster unit that 
drives on the shaft that holds the torsion springs. Lots of safety 
features so I am not sure my experience is relevant, but there might be 
similarities.

It turns out that the Liftmaster has a device inside that senses that 
the cables are actually being driven. It's an electronic sensor that 
confirms the drive is driving. They call it a "Traveler." Same symptoms, 
but mine started out only going a few feet and reversing, and then it 
got worse and only moved an inch or so.

I called the manufacturer and the rep identified this module as the 
problem. They sent me a new one at no cost, with elaborate instructions 
on installation, even though the unit was 3 years out of warranty.

However, by the time it arrived, the opener seemed to heal itself after 
I went through their prescribed diagnosis procedure (involving counting 
the sequence of blinking LEDs) so I haven't had reason yet to install 
the new part.

The commonality in my situation and yours MIGHT be that there is a 
device that senses the movement of the door in some way. In my case it 
appears to be an electronic pickup that knows when a drive wheel is 
turning. Mine was obviously confused.

Jim

On 5/28/2025 4:17 PM, Moose wrote:
> I have a 23 year old Raynor Powerhoist commercial unit. (it's for a 
> 14' X 14' door.)
>
> Just out of nowhere, it started going up a foot and closing. ?Over and 
> over again.
> I have all the remotes, and nothing changed.
> I also disconnected the door and the unit still does this so it isn't 
> a door/spring/resistance issue.
> I live in the middle of nowhere, so there isn't any interference 
> possible.
> There are no unusable noises. Unit is working fine opening and closing 
> even with the door connected. No other noise or issues.
> I haven't touched this unit, the door or the track in a long time.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Moose
>
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