From eric at megageek.com  Tue Nov  5 15:50:06 2024
From: eric at megageek.com (Moose)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 17:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights
Message-ID: <OF4AFE4571.691A83A7-ON85258BCC.007D0715-85258BCC.007D70BE@mail.megageek.com>

I'm trying to put up outdoor string lights to light up a porch (that leads 
to the shop).  I want string lights, but it seems that all the ones I can 
find barely give off any light, or they are construction ones and way too 
harsh and not meant for permanent mounting.

Ideally, they will plug in (or hardwire), they will have a remote control 
(but NOT an app for a phone) for on and off.  If they can change colors 
and a dimmable, that is a great bonus.

Does anyone know if such a animal exists?  Amazon are full of ones that 
meet these needs, except they are way too dim.

Thanks in advance

Moose
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 02:11:34 2024
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 04:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights
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I have these on my deck:

https://a.co/d/h9EK42D

They aren't super bright, but they give enough light to hang out under and
eat a meal, etc.  They are medium-base sockets,  so you could re-lamp them
with any typical lamp.  For permanent installation, I'd run a messenger
wire and zip tie the string to that.

For remote control, something like this

https://a.co/d/iEuondu

I have a name-brand version that I use for my outdoor Christmas lights.



On Tue, Nov 5, 2024, 22:52 Moose <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to put up outdoor string lights to light up a porch (that leads
> to the shop).  I want string lights, but it seems that all the ones I can
> find barely give off any light, or they are construction ones and way too
> harsh and not meant for permanent mounting.
>
> Ideally, they will plug in (or hardwire), they will have a remote control
> (but NOT an app for a phone) for on and off.  If they can change colors and
> a dimmable, that is a great bonus.
>
> Does anyone know if such a animal exists?  Amazon are full of ones that
> meet these needs, except they are way too dim.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
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From jniolon at att.net  Wed Nov  6 05:35:28 2024
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 06:35:28 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw:  Outdoor String Lights
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Moose,  bet 
you're gonna have to look in the Commercial market and not the Chinese one
j 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Moose <eric at megageek.com>
To: <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 11/5/2024 4:50:06 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights



I'm 
trying to put up outdoor string lights to light up a porch (that leads to the 
shop).  I want string lights, but it seems that all the ones I can find barely 
give off any light, or they are construction ones and way too harsh and not 
meant for permanent mounting. 

Ideally, they will plug in (or hardwire), they will have a remote control (but 
NOT an app for a phone) for on and off.  If they can change colors and a 
dimmable, that is a great bonus. 

Does anyone know if such a animal exists?  Amazon are full of ones that meet 
these needs, except they are way too dim. 

Thanks in advance 

Moose
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From eric at megageek.com  Wed Nov  6 06:36:15 2024
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 08:36:15 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights
In-Reply-To: <1Uhg1QleJT.491t224vjh4@johns-desktop>
References: <OF4AFE4571.691A83A7-ON85258BCC.007D0715-85258BCC.007D70BE@mail.megageek.com>
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I agree, but where can I find options for commercial lights without being 
in the industry?



From:   "john niolon" <jniolon at att.net>
To:     "Moose" <eric at megageek.com>
Date:   11/06/2024 07:35 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights



Moose,  bet you're gonna have to look in the Commercial market and not the 
Chinese one
j 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Moose <eric at megageek.com>
To: <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 11/5/2024 4:50:06 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights

I'm trying to put up outdoor string lights to light up a porch (that leads 
to the shop).  I want string lights, but it seems that all the ones I can 
find barely give off any light, or they are construction ones and way too 
harsh and not meant for permanent mounting. 

Ideally, they will plug in (or hardwire), they will have a remote control 
(but NOT an app for a phone) for on and off.  If they can change colors 
and a dimmable, that is a great bonus. 

Does anyone know if such a animal exists?  Amazon are full of ones that 
meet these needs, except they are way too dim. 

Thanks in advance 

Moose
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From tjcora at icloud.com  Thu Nov  7 04:26:04 2024
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 11:26:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights
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Take a look at noveltylights.com We?ve bought a couple of different items from them. You can go so far as to source piece parts and roll your own, should you want to go that route? On Nov 6, 2024, at 8:54 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: I agree, but where can I find options for commercial lights without being in the industry? From: "john niolon" <jniolon at att.net> To: "Moose" <eric at megageek.com> Date: 11/06/2024 07:35 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights Moose, bet you're gonna have to look in the Commercial market and not the Chinese one j ----- Original Message ----- From: Moose < eric at megageek.com > To: < Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Sent: 11/5/2024 4:50:06 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights I'm trying to put up outdoor string lights to light up a porch (that leads to the shop). I want string lights, but it seems that all the ones I can find barely give off any light, or they are construction ones and way too harsh and not meant for permanent mounting. Ideally, they will plug in (or hardwire), they will have a remote control (but NOT an app for a phone) for on and off. If they can change colors and a dimmable, that is a great bonus. Does anyone know if such a animal exists? Amazon are full of ones that meet these needs, except they are way too dim. Thanks in advance Moose _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com
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From eric at megageek.com  Thu Nov  7 06:52:39 2024
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:52:39 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights
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Thanks, I found one and ordered it!

I can always count on you guys!

Moose



From:   Thomas Coradeschi <tjcora at icloud.com>
To:     shop-talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   11/07/2024 06:35 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



Take a look at noveltylights.com

We?ve bought a couple of different items from them. You can go so far as 
to source piece parts and roll your own, should you want to go that route?

On Nov 6, 2024, at 8:54 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:


I agree, but where can I find options for commercial lights without being 
in the industry? 



From:        "john niolon" <jniolon at att.net> 
To:        "Moose" <eric at megageek.com> 
Date:        11/06/2024 07:35 AM 
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights 



Moose,  bet you're gonna have to look in the Commercial market and not the 
Chinese one 
j 
  
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Moose <eric at megageek.com> 
To: <Shop-talk at autox.team.net> 
Sent: 11/5/2024 4:50:06 PM 
Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor String Lights 

I'm trying to put up outdoor string lights to light up a porch (that leads 
to the shop).  I want string lights, but it seems that all the ones I can 
find barely give off any light, or they are construction ones and way too 
harsh and not meant for permanent mounting. 

Ideally, they will plug in (or hardwire), they will have a remote control 
(but NOT an app for a phone) for on and off.  If they can change colors 
and a dimmable, that is a great bonus. 

Does anyone know if such a animal exists?  Amazon are full of ones that 
meet these needs, except they are way too dim. 

Thanks in advance 

Moose 
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Thu Nov 21 06:16:54 2024
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 08:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Sealing toilet tank mounting bolts?
Message-ID: <70796B48-8AF3-4A54-A957-5643E302F9F1@groupwbench.org>

I bought 3 Kohler Cimarron toilets for a job I'm doing, because the one in my house is great. Well, the new ones are very different and I should have read all the reviews on the Home Depot site.

The tank-to-bowl connection is made with 2 bolts that pass through grommets. These grommets expand as the bolts are tightened, sealing the holes in the tank through which they pass. Problem is, quality control let some tanks through with holes oversize enough that the grommets won't seal. Kohler even sent me a new supposedly redesigned grommet kit, which slowed down the leaks to a drip once per minute. They said they'd send a new tank but can't expedite it, so we're looking at after Thanksgiving, and no guarantee that the new tank won't also be mismanufactured.

My thought is to use a sealant on the grommets. Kohler said "we don't advise that", but I really need to wrap this up. Is there a rubber-compatible, submergeable sealant that will work in this application?

Another thought I just had is to add washers on top of the bowl where the bottom of the grommets sit so that the grommets are compressed another 1/16". But I don't want the grommets to then start leaking on the inside along the bolt if I overcompress and they open up. 

There are images near the bottom of this page:

https://www.faucet.com/kohler-k-31615-white-cimarron-1-28-gpf-toilet-tank-only-left-hand-lever/f4091621#reviews

thanks,
jim

From fishplate at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 07:49:54 2024
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 09:49:54 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Sealing toilet tank mounting bolts?
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So, it looks like the grommets don't compress enough because the toilet
tank rests on the center hole before they squeeze out enough?  If so, I
would either:

A - Use some silicone sealer (for kitchens and bathrooms) around the
grommet in the tank hole as I put it together, or

B - Use a large plastic washer as a shim between the grommet and the bowl
top ledge.  This would require some careful guesswork, I reckon, to get
the right thickness to do the job correctly.

I might go all SAT and choose "Both A and B".

I don't understand why they don't want you to use sealer, as I assume they
are replacing the defective parts.



On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 8:43?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

> I bought 3 Kohler Cimarron toilets for a job I'm doing, because the one in
> my house is great. Well, the new ones are very different and I should have
> read all the reviews on the Home Depot site.
>
> The tank-to-bowl connection is made with 2 bolts that pass through
> grommets. These grommets expand as the bolts are tightened, sealing the
> holes in the tank through which they pass. Problem is, quality control let
> some tanks through with holes oversize enough that the grommets won't seal.
> Kohler even sent me a new supposedly redesigned grommet kit, which slowed
> down the leaks to a drip once per minute. They said they'd send a new tank
> but can't expedite it, so we're looking at after Thanksgiving, and no
> guarantee that the new tank won't also be mismanufactured.
>
> My thought is to use a sealant on the grommets. Kohler said "we don't
> advise that", but I really need to wrap this up. Is there a
> rubber-compatible, submergeable sealant that will work in this application?
>
> Another thought I just had is to add washers on top of the bowl where the
> bottom of the grommets sit so that the grommets are compressed another
> 1/16". But I don't want the grommets to then start leaking on the inside
> along the bolt if I overcompress and they open up.
>
> There are images near the bottom of this page:
>
>
> https://www.faucet.com/kohler-k-31615-white-cimarron-1-28-gpf-toilet-tank-only-left-hand-lever/f4091621#reviews
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com  Fri Nov 22 22:06:36 2024
From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 21:06:36 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Sealing toilet tank mounting bolts? (Jim Franklin)
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I wouldn't mess with it.? If it doesn't seal after you try the sealant 
which they told you not to try (although it most likely will) you have 
little hope of them returning or supporting you further.? I'd return 
them all and go get something else. I'd recommend some Toto toilets. 
I've always done well with Kohler but these seem to be bad.

Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller at threeboysfarm.com

>
> I bought 3 Kohler Cimarron toilets for a job I'm doing, because the one in my house is great. Well, the new ones are very different and I should have read all the reviews on the Home Depot site.
>
> The tank-to-bowl connection is made with 2 bolts that pass through grommets. These grommets expand as the bolts are tightened, sealing the holes in the tank through which they pass. Problem is, quality control let some tanks through with holes oversize enough that the grommets won't seal. Kohler even sent me a new supposedly redesigned grommet kit, which slowed down the leaks to a drip once per minute. They said they'd send a new tank but can't expedite it, so we're looking at after Thanksgiving, and no guarantee that the new tank won't also be mismanufactured.
>
> My thought is to use a sealant on the grommets. Kohler said "we don't advise that", but I really need to wrap this up. Is there a rubber-compatible, submergeable sealant that will work in this application?
>
> Another thought I just had is to add washers on top of the bowl where the bottom of the grommets sit so that the grommets are compressed another 1/16". But I don't want the grommets to then start leaking on the inside along the bolt if I overcompress and they open up.
>
> There are images near the bottom of this page:
>
> https://www.faucet.com/kohler-k-31615-white-cimarron-1-28-gpf-toilet-tank-only-left-hand-lever/f4091621#reviews
>
> thanks,
> jim
>
>

From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sat Nov 23 06:38:16 2024
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 08:38:16 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Sealing toilet tank mounting bolts? (Jim Franklin)
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> On Nov 23, 2024, at 12:06 AM, Mark Miller <markmiller at threeboysfarm.com> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't mess with it.  If it doesn't seal after you try the sealant which they told you not to try (although it most likely will) you have little hope of them returning or supporting you further.  I'd return them all and go get something else. I'd recommend some Toto toilets. I've always done well with Kohler but these seem to be bad.

They woud have replaced the tank without me needing to return the defective one so that's not an issue. I would have gone Toto but I needed them fast and couldn't wait the etra days for them to come in. Kohler used to be my goto. Support was very good though it seems quality has gone downhill.

> On Nov 21, 2024, at 9:49 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So, it looks like the grommets don't compress enough because the toilet tank rests on the center hole before they squeeze out enough?  If so, I would either:
> 
> A - Use some silicone sealer (for kitchens and bathrooms) around the grommet in the tank hole as I put it together, or 
> 
> B - Use a large plastic washer as a shim between the grommet and the bowl top ledge.  This would require some careful guesswork, I reckon, to get the right thickness to do the job correctly.

I ended up doing B, along with Dremeling off a high point on the rim of the hole that was cocking the bolt a bit, plus lightly chamfering the hole edges and lightly sanding the inside of the hole itself. It worked. I was prepared to silicone it though, it's just an opaque fishtank after all :-)

thanks,
jim