From peterwmurray at gmail.com  Thu Mar  7 08:07:06 2024
From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:07:06 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Geneeral Motors Active Fuel Management (DOD) problem
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YCZE5VT6nj+P0MEbqV8Pue+WgtKnuzgtx86f+_W6Sbq9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1UhQJrLeWH.1bH2IvfZJjs.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhQJrLeWH.1bH2IvfZJjs@johns-desktop>
 <CANuE7YCZE5VT6nj+P0MEbqV8Pue+WgtKnuzgtx86f+_W6Sbq9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ8HLP8kPxafk0aTm+8Rtz9p=+KaMjjYZWKXP5peDp0Xs0eeYw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have any experience with doing an AFM "delete" via software or
hardware, but this video from a favorite YouTuber is very informative on
the subject (be forewarned, this is a potential rabbit-hole):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GKF2ic5iRQ

I've given serious thought to doing this to the 6.2L in my 2018 Yukon XL
Denali, but I'll definitely wait until the extended warranty expires in...
10k miles or so.

-Peter

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 6:21?PM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:

> In my experience, it is a combination of things that cause issues with the
> AFM system.  The first (and in my opinion most common) is not doing proper
> maintenance.  A conservative oil change interval with a good quality engine
> oil seems to go a long way to heading off issues with AFM on the LS
> motors.  The next biggest issue in my opinion is the quality of the lifters
> that GM used from the factory.  I have had several engine builders that I
> trust say that using a better quality aftermarket lifter in the AFM valves
> is the best insurance you can buy on a build.  Therein is the biggest issue
> with many of the DOD delete methods being offered.  They frequently only
> address the ECU, taking the AFM out of the tune.  This will NOT solve
> issues caused by low quality lifters failing when AFM is not activated, it
> can still happen.  I don't have experience with the plug in modules, so I
> can't say if they are safe or not, but like the tune, they don't address
> the potential problems in the lifters.  I also don't know that much about
> what Jasper is putting in their remans, so I can't say if they are going to
> cause you problems or not.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 3:08?PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any experience with the GM DOD system ?  Specifically
>> deleting by software or the WWW-offered module that eliminates
>> the dropping to V4 under light load.
>>
>> I lost an engine due to this problem at 130K and replaced it with a
>> Jasper crate engine that does have the DOD included.
>>
>> Need some guidance from some that have hands on experience with this.
>> Does the Module that plugs into the BOD plug actually work and is it safe
>>
>> OR is a software tune required?? or must I go thru the tear down and
>> install of a delete kit
>>
>> thanks
>> john
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com
>>
>>
>
> --
> =================================
> = Never offend people with style when you   =
> = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown  =
> =================================
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240307/83aebf7e/attachment.htm>

From jniolon at att.net  Thu Mar  7 20:42:35 2024
From: jniolon at att.net (john)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 21:42:35 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
References: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k.ref@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>

I recently replaced my 10 year old non-working hearing airs for some new whizz 
bang ones. I?ve reduced my ?HUH?? responses by at least 40 percent.  The rest 
my wife attributes to me being hard of listening instead of hard of hearing.   
ANYWAY
The new units are blue tooth compatible.  My Sony flat screen is also blue 
tooth compatible and I tried to pair the two so I can hear the tv through my 
hearing airs ?Cool, right??
The TV sees the hearing aids under it's list of blue tooth devices    but they won?t pair up with some cryptic sony code $#^%& or something similiar.  I checked the specs and both accept the same blue tooth ?protocol? (I don?t know the right word)  all the letters confuse me.  But, they both use A2DP? but they won?t pair.
Another similar spec is the blue tooth version   one is 4.2 the other is 4.2.2.  Shouldn?t the newer one grandfather the older ??
 
Any enlightenment will be appreciated? and guidance is needed severely.   forum content... I watch shop videos on YouTube a lot.
john 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240307/ce612f79/attachment.htm>

From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Fri Mar  8 05:30:35 2024
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 07:30:35 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
In-Reply-To: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <A123055E-073D-4021-9CA7-581D47F9DEBA@groupwbench.org>

The first thing I (have learned to) do when tech won't cooperate is upgrade the firmware/software. 

Most Bluetooth pairings require a code to be entered on the hub (TV) from the satellite (hearing aids). Did the manual come with any mention of a code? The logical way would be to enter their code on the TV. This is so someone else can't pair your hearing aids to their device (accidentally or maliciously). 

Also the Bluetooth device you're trying to connect to the TV needs to be in pairing mode so it listens for something to pair to when you push "pair" on the TV. It's not always on - usually it's on for a short time, maybe a minute, then it gives up if it doesn't find anything. If you miss th ewindow you need to push "pair" again. 

Maybe you've done all this already but that's my BT knowledge. If that doesn't work try asking Google using the model numbers of both. I was VERY surprised yesterday when my new Lenovo laptop plugged into the Dell docking station could see the monitors but not the keyboard and mouse. I Googled with the model numbers and someone had the answer (BIOS security setting for the Thunderbolt communication protocol what the ever livin...). 

jim

> On Mar 7, 2024, at 10:42 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> I recently replaced my 10 year old non-working hearing airs for some new whizz bang ones. I?ve reduced my ?HUH?? responses by at least 40 percent.  The rest my wife attributes to me being hard of listening instead of hard of hearing.   ANYWAY
> 
> The new units are blue tooth compatible.  My Sony flat screen is also blue tooth compatible and I tried to pair the two so I can hear the tv through my hearing airs ?Cool, right??
> 
> The TV sees the hearing aids under it's list of blue tooth devices    but they won?t pair up with some cryptic sony code $#^%& or something similiar.  I checked the specs and both accept the same blue tooth ?protocol? (I don?t know the right word)  all the letters confuse me.  But, they both use A2DP? but they won?t pair.
> 
> Another similar spec is the blue tooth version   one is 4.2 the other is 4.2.2.  Shouldn?t the newer one grandfather the older ??
> 
>  
> 
> Any enlightenment will be appreciated? and guidance is needed severely.   forum content... I watch shop videos on YouTube a lot.
> 
> john
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org
> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240308/d9f34039/attachment.htm>

From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org  Fri Mar  8 07:10:46 2024
From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:10:46 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
In-Reply-To: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <8d3791d9-e1ad-49dc-a1df-358def42ba1c@sackheads.org>

On 3/7/24 22:42, john wrote:
>
> I recently replaced my 10 year old non-working hearing airs for some 
> new whizz bang ones. I?ve reduced my ?HUH?? responses by at least 40 
> percent.The rest my wife attributes to me being hard of listening 
> instead of hard of hearing.ANYWAY
>
> The new units are blue tooth compatible.My Sony flat screen is also 
> blue tooth compatible and I tried to pair the two so I can hear the tv 
> through my hearing airs ?Cool, right??
>
One thing that comes to mind that you may not have considered is that 
since Bluetooth has a range of 40-50 feet, once you get this working, 
you might find that your hearing aids unintentionally pair with the TV 
whenever they're within range.? Suppose you're in your garage having a 
conversation with a neighbor and your wife turns on the TV.? Are your 
hearing aids going to automatically pair with the TV and drown out what 
your neighbor is saying?

How long are the batteries expected to last when Bluetooth is enabled 
(even if not paired)?

J

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240308/bad82e66/attachment.htm>

From gene at garrison-grafixx.com  Fri Mar  8 10:11:12 2024
From: gene at garrison-grafixx.com (Gene Garrison)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:11:12 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
In-Reply-To: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <6fd77c5b-a93a-4c7b-98fc-8a521898c349@garrison-grafixx.com>

John,

Do you know if your Sony TV supports this functionality?

That is, I have devices with a bluetooth interface, but they use that 
interface for a remote controller.? They don't have any functionality to 
SEND audio to another bluetooth device, their bluetooth is only intended 
to RECEIVE commands from a remote.

- GeneG

On 3/7/24 19:42, john wrote:
>
> I recently replaced my 10 year old non-working hearing airs for some 
> new whizz bang ones. I?ve reduced my ?HUH?? responses by at least 40 
> percent.The rest my wife attributes to me being hard of listening 
> instead of hard of hearing.ANYWAY
>
> The new units are blue tooth compatible.My Sony flat screen is also 
> blue tooth compatible and I tried to pair the two so I can hear the tv 
> through my hearing airs ?Cool, right??
>
> The TV sees the hearing aids under it's list of blue tooth devices??? 
> but they won?t pair up with some cryptic sony code $#^%& or something 
> similiar.I checked the specs and both accept the same blue tooth 
> ?protocol? (I don?t know the right word)all the letters confuse 
> me.But, they both use A2DP? but they won?t pair.
>
> Another similar spec is the blue tooth versionone is 4.2 the other is 
> 4.2.2.Shouldn?t the newer one grandfather the older ??
>
> Any enlightenment will be appreciated? and guidance is needed 
> severely.?? forum content... I watch shop videos on YouTube a lot.
>
> john
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk  http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gene at garrison-grafixx.com
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240308/b820fb97/attachment-0001.htm>

From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 11:07:12 2024
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:07:12 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
In-Reply-To: <6fd77c5b-a93a-4c7b-98fc-8a521898c349@garrison-grafixx.com>
References: <6fd77c5b-a93a-4c7b-98fc-8a521898c349@garrison-grafixx.com>
Message-ID: <91BF15CA-FC4E-444F-BB25-9F8EAFCDC13D@gmail.com>



> On Mar 8, 2024, at 12:01, Gene Garrison <gene at garrison-grafixx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> John,
> 
> Do you know if your Sony TV supports this functionality?
> 
> That is, I have devices with a bluetooth interface, but they use that interface for a remote controller.  They don't have any functionality to SEND audio to another bluetooth device, their bluetooth is only intended to RECEIVE commands from a remote.
> 
Almost all modern TVs support sending audio to a Bluetooth device, usually at the same time as other outputs.  BT enabled hearing aids are very common, and seem to work well, and letting people watch tv with others is a big deal. 

I expect there are some videos floating around about how to do the pairing for both the tv and hearing aids.  


> - 
> 

> 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240308/61568d92/attachment.htm>

From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 17:26:07 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:26:07 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
In-Reply-To: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <398101da71b8$619a6340$24cf29c0$@gmail.com>

I would call the folks who know this stuff? Either Sony customer support, or the hearing aid manufacturer?s customer support. I?m sure they both get such calls daily and know how to get their device paired.

 

FWIW, I just went through this with a Visio sound bar and a TV, and the Visio rep walked me through it until things worked!

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of john
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 7:43 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts

 

I recently replaced my 10 year old non-working hearing airs for some new whizz bang ones. I?ve reduced my ?HUH?? responses by at least 40 percent.  The rest my wife attributes to me being hard of listening instead of hard of hearing.   ANYWAY

The new units are blue tooth compatible.  My Sony flat screen is also blue tooth compatible and I tried to pair the two so I can hear the tv through my hearing airs ?Cool, right??

The TV sees the hearing aids under it's list of blue tooth devices    but they won?t pair up with some cryptic sony code $#^%& or something similiar.  I checked the specs and both accept the same blue tooth ?protocol? (I don?t know the right word)  all the letters confuse me.  But, they both use A2DP? but they won?t pair.

Another similar spec is the blue tooth version   one is 4.2 the other is 4.2.2.  Shouldn?t the newer one grandfather the older ??

 

Any enlightenment will be appreciated? and guidance is needed severely.   forum content... I watch shop videos on YouTube a lot.

john 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240308/6a627409/attachment.htm>

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Sat Mar  9 08:25:25 2024
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordie bird)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:25:25 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
In-Reply-To: <398101da71b8$619a6340$24cf29c0$@gmail.com>
References: <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhRxS1lzu.23DS24xaG3k@johns-desktop>
 <398101da71b8$619a6340$24cf29c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <818DAAF0-FA82-4791-87C7-C0945682507D@comcast.net>

Oddly enough, I am picking up for my older bro in law what is described to me as a TV stick to enable his hearing aid to directly connect his TV.  I?m thinking this is similar to an Amazon firestick that plugs into an HDMI port. I?ll have more information on this later today and can pass it along if you think beneficial.

Gordie

> On Mar 8, 2024, at 7:26?PM, <alfuller194 at gmail.com> <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would call the folks who know this stuff? Either Sony customer support, or the hearing aid manufacturer?s customer support. I?m sure they both get such calls daily and know how to get their device paired.
>  
> FWIW, I just went through this with a Visio sound bar and a TV, and the Visio rep walked me through it until things worked!
>  
> -----------------------------------
> All the best,
>  
> Al Fuller
>  
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of john
> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 7:43 PM
> To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Blue tooth guru or hearing aid experts
>  
> I recently replaced my 10 year old non-working hearing airs for some new whizz bang ones. I?ve reduced my ?HUH?? responses by at least 40 percent.  The rest my wife attributes to me being hard of listening instead of hard of hearing.   ANYWAY
> 
> The new units are blue tooth compatible.  My Sony flat screen is also blue tooth compatible and I tried to pair the two so I can hear the tv through my hearing airs ?Cool, right??
> 
> The TV sees the hearing aids under it's list of blue tooth devices    but they won?t pair up with some cryptic sony code $#^%& or something similiar.  I checked the specs and both accept the same blue tooth ?protocol? (I don?t know the right word)  all the letters confuse me.  But, they both use A2DP? but they won?t pair.
> 
> Another similar spec is the blue tooth version   one is 4.2 the other is 4.2.2.  Shouldn?t the newer one grandfather the older ??
> 
>  
> 
> Any enlightenment will be appreciated? and guidance is needed severely.   forum content... I watch shop videos on YouTube a lot.
> 
> john 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mg_garage at comcast.net

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240309/fd2fdcc9/attachment-0001.htm>

From jniolon at att.net  Fri Mar 22 08:21:49 2024
From: jniolon at att.net (john)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:21:49 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
References: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX.ref@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX@johns-desktop>

AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service. They 
offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and with 300 mg 
internet...
sounded good.
 
Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.  Bought 3.
 
Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse ...i.e. 
Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my 
wife's favorites)
were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at anywhere between 5 and 10 bucks a month...
 
Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those channels included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally and it's 
mostly down
all the time
 
suggestions appreciated
 
john
 
and I'm going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/741960bb/attachment.htm>

From patintexas at icloud.com  Fri Mar 22 08:52:19 2024
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>

Take a look @ Amazon prime video. While they don?t rave the full channel, they do have at least some of the shows. 

I got rid of Dish about 3 years ago & set up GetChannels for local stuff (needs antenna) & stream everything else from Amazon, PBS, Britbox & and few others. Much cheaper than what I was paying, even including the cost of Amazon Prime. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 22, 2024, at 9:36?AM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?
AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service. They offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and with 300 mg internet...
sounded good.
 
Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.  Bought 3.
 
Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse ...i.e. Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my wife's favorites)
were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at anywhere between 5 and 10 bucks a month...
 
Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those channels included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally and it's mostly down
all the time
 
suggestions appreciated
 
john
 
and I'm going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
_______________________________________________

Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Suggested annual donation  $12.96
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/8dc7b8d7/attachment.htm>

From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Mar 22 09:10:00 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 08:10:00 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <de8cc94d-7d33-4e3a-9ddb-df2d25bf0506@comcast.net>

I had DirectTV for years, then switched to Dish a couple years ago. 
Dish, AFAIK, includes the stations you mentioned in the package we have 
(next to the most expensive, about $210/mo). My Dish service includes a 
remote converter (called 'Joey') if your house is wired for it--extra 
charge, of course--but they include Netflix and Prime (and HBO/Max if 
you pay for it) as embedded 'apps' so you don't have to switch TV input 
to Roku (both require your own sub, of course). I have a Roku on a third 
TV in our guest bedroom that rarely gets used.

The Dish user interface is 'prettier' than the DTV but it's buggy as 
hell; for example, setting/deleting recordings is basically a one-click 
operation on DTV but it's cumbersome on Dish, and I've yet to figure out 
how to delete a whole stack of recordings (and when you finally do, it's 
a 'dead end' on the menu!). DTV UI wins hands down, but the Dish DVR 
capacity is larger (IIRC). Dish customer service has been reasonably 
responsive the few times I've used it though, and local channels are 
included in most packages I believe.

My opinion, worth what you paid for it, is keep the AT&T broadband if 
you're happy with it--I use a locally-based radio provider--and try a 
different source for video. I only used my Roku when Dish had a dispute 
with NBC over carrier rights and I had to watch Sunday Night Football on 
Peacock, which I somehow received even though I don't recall ever 
signing up for it, and haven't paid for it AFAIK (don't look a gift 
horse, etc.).

Disclaimer: *I hate AT&T with a passion*, for several reasons but mainly 
because they totally screwed me over years ago and tried to con me into 
paying for Uverse even though many features weren't available in our 
area; their cell phone coverage at least used to be abysmal and I get 
sick of their commercials they play, like, 15 times an hour on the 
financial channel I watch (now, if 'Lily' was to go topless in them? ...).

bs



On 3/22/2024 7:21 AM, john wrote:
> AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service. 
> They offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and 
> with 300 mg internet...
> sounded good.
> Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.? 
> Bought 3.
> Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse 
> ...i.e. Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my 
> wife's favorites)
> were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at 
> anywhere between 5 and 10 bucks a month...
> Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those 
> channels included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally 
> and it's mostly down
> all the time
> suggestions appreciated
> john
> and I'm going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/3687b090/attachment.htm>

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 09:28:42 2024
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:28:42 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>
References: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX@johns-desktop>
 <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YDOqawacsA=uYkxh+RDtjfPGtP3gLYcRNbPJkHEQwXNKg@mail.gmail.com>

I am actually thinking of dumping Prime.  They recently started showing ads
and now the ads are getting REALLY bad.  tried to watch a 45 minutes show,
ended up having 6 breaks for ads of up 2 minutes each.  I'm not paying for
that.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 10:21?AM Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:

> Take a look @ Amazon prime video. While they don?t rave the full channel,
> they do have at least some of the shows.
>
> I got rid of Dish about 3 years ago & set up GetChannels for local stuff
> (needs antenna) & stream everything else from Amazon, PBS, Britbox & and
> few others. Much cheaper than what I was paying, even including the cost of
> Amazon Prime.
>
> Peace, Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2024, at 9:36?AM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service. They
> offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and with 300 mg
> internet...
> sounded good.
>
> Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.  Bought 3.
>
> Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse
> ...i.e. Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my wife's
> favorites)
> were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at anywhere
> between 5 and 10 bucks a month...
>
> Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those channels
> included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally and it's mostly
> down
> all the time
>
> suggestions appreciated
>
> john
>
> and I'm going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com
>
>

-- 
=================================
= Never offend people with style when you   =
= can offend with substance --- Sam Brown  =
=================================
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/70afcfac/attachment-0001.htm>

From patintexas at icloud.com  Fri Mar 22 09:39:00 2024
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YDOqawacsA=uYkxh+RDtjfPGtP3gLYcRNbPJkHEQwXNKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANuE7YDOqawacsA=uYkxh+RDtjfPGtP3gLYcRNbPJkHEQwXNKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4AA1A68-CF83-4ED9-8ED1-C418CF7A4665@icloud.com>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/ae4d37dc/attachment.htm>

From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 09:40:26 2024
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 11:40:26 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>
References: <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <31C939AE-E3C7-4F5E-A615-4C6BF4F64EE7@gmail.com>

We tried several streaming services and switched to YouTubeTV 4 or 5 years ago.  All of the channels you mentioned are included with their base packages. We watched it on both a Roku TV and via Amazon Firesticks with no problems. That said, we recently bought a new TV that used Google?s operating system and it works even better on that.  (I even put an old TV in the shop with a Firestick. ?)

No complaints, other than the fact that the price keeps going up, just like everything else. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2024, at 11:25 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Take a look @ Amazon prime video. While they don?t rave the full channel, they do have at least some of the shows. 
> 
> I got rid of Dish about 3 years ago & set up GetChannels for local stuff (needs antenna) & stream everything else from Amazon, PBS, Britbox & and few others. Much cheaper than what I was paying, even including the cost of Amazon Prime. 
> 
> Peace, Pat
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2024, at 9:36?AM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service. They offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and with 300 mg internet...
> sounded good.
>  
> Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.  Bought 3.
>  
> Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse ...i.e. Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my wife's favorites)
> were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at anywhere between 5 and 10 bucks a month...
>  
> Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those channels included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally and it's mostly down
> all the time
>  
> suggestions appreciated
>  
> john
>  
> and I'm going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com
> 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/958e3813/attachment.htm>

From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 10:37:08 2024
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 12:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <31C939AE-E3C7-4F5E-A615-4C6BF4F64EE7@gmail.com>
References: <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>
 <31C939AE-E3C7-4F5E-A615-4C6BF4F64EE7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7dBXDh=G2Gvt2QzEq2ts8DZq6Qpbxq8LEA56v0-YfyfgrEHg@mail.gmail.com>

We ditched Dish &/or DirectTV a few years ago. Their price kept climbing
(even though 'new' customers got a break) and the signal would be lost at
the mere prediction of rain.

We switched to Spectrum and tried their TV service. The connection was good
but again, the price kept climbing once we were no longer 'new'.

About a year ago we cancelled the Spectrum TV and now use You Tube TV.
There is a fee for the service - which we share with our son-in-law. The
one downside is we are halfway between Raleigh & Greensboro, North
Carolina. Depending on where our internet cable makes its connection our
local channels vary between the two cities. I haven't figured out how to
make it choose one or the other.

EjR

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 12:20?PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:

> We tried several streaming services and switched to YouTubeTV 4 or 5 years
> ago.  All of the channels you mentioned are included with their base
> packages. We watched it on both a Roku TV and via Amazon Firesticks with no
> problems. That said, we recently bought a new TV that used Google?s
> operating system and it works even better on that.  (I even put an old TV
> in the shop with a Firestick. ?)
>
> No complaints, other than the fact that the price keeps going up, just
> like everything else.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2024, at 11:25 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> ?Take a look @ Amazon prime video. While they don?t rave the full channel,
> they do have at least some of the shows.
>
> I got rid of Dish about 3 years ago & set up GetChannels for local stuff
> (needs antenna) & stream everything else from Amazon, PBS, Britbox & and
> few others. Much cheaper than what I was paying, even including the cost of
> Amazon Prime.
>
> Peace, Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2024, at 9:36?AM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service. They
> offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and with 300 mg
> internet...
> sounded good.
>
> Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.  Bought 3.
>
> Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse
> ...i.e. Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my wife's
> favorites)
> were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at anywhere
> between 5 and 10 bucks a month...
>
> Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those channels
> included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally and it's mostly
> down
> all the time
>
> suggestions appreciated
>
> john
>
> and I'm going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61 at gmail.com
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/82e41a27/attachment-0001.htm>

From jblair1948 at cox.net  Fri Mar 22 12:11:18 2024
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (JohnT Blair)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 14:11:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
Message-ID: <1981399304.1213863.1711131078433@myemail.cox.net>

 On 03/22/2024 11:28 AM EDT John Innis wrote:
 
>I am actually thinking of dumping Prime.  They recently started showing ads and now the ads are getting REALLY bad.  tried to watch a 45 minutes show,
>ended up having 6 breaks for ads of up 2 minutes each.  I'm not paying for that.
 
John,
 
Two things.  1. Do you order much stuff from Amazon?  If so, prime pays for it's self with what you save on shipping.  2.  A 42 min. show is actually an
hour show on the old cable & over the air.  A 22 min show is 30 min.  So you only had 12 min of commercials where you get about 8 min of commercials in a 1/2 hr and 20 min commercials in an hr show.
 
JohnT,
 

John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net mailto:jblair1948 at cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                    Phone:  (757) 495-8229

65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)   48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  
65 & 77 Spitfire   71 Saab Sonett III   65 Rambler Classic   65 Volvo P1800

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
Bricklin:    http://www.bricklin.org/

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
In God We Trust
Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/68d212e8/attachment.htm>

From watsonm05 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 22 13:33:04 2024
From: watsonm05 at comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 20:33:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <de8cc94d-7d33-4e3a-9ddb-df2d25bf0506@comcast.net>
References: <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhSDgtz0S.1CjcDrkJPAX@johns-desktop>
 <de8cc94d-7d33-4e3a-9ddb-df2d25bf0506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1204310484.1377499.1711135985032@connect.xfinity.com>

Well, there is that ;-)

> On 03/22/2024 11:10 AM EDT Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> <snip> (now, if 'Lily' was to go topless in them  ...).
> 
> bs
> 
> 
> 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/10d707f8/attachment.htm>

From jniolon at att.net  Fri Mar 22 14:35:44 2024
From: jniolon at att.net (john)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:35:44 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <CAP7dBXDh=G2Gvt2QzEq2ts8DZq6Qpbxq8LEA56v0-YfyfgrEHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>
 <31C939AE-E3C7-4F5E-A615-4C6BF4F64EE7@gmail.com>
 <CAP7dBXDh=G2Gvt2QzEq2ts8DZq6Qpbxq8LEA56v0-YfyfgrEHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1UhSDl3ajk.4Lw6zlPVpnb@johns-desktop>

Well, after being a dumba** I finally called DirectTV for help. My slow old 
brain was telling me my dumb tvs were actually smart tvs with the ROKU boxes
 
RDirecttv rep agreed and showed me how to access and set them up
 
I'm streaming big time now, baby
 
thanks for all the suggestions? I'll save 
the info if I need a change in the future
 
john

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com>
To: Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 3/22/2024 11:37:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff



We ditched Dish &/or DirectTV a few years ago. Their price kept climbing (even 
though 'new' customers got a break) and the signal would be lost at the mere 
prediction of rain. 


We switched to Spectrum and tried their TV service. The connection was good but 
again, the price kept climbing once we were no longer 'new'. 


About a year ago we cancelled the Spectrum TV and now use You Tube TV. There is 
a fee for the service - which we share with our son-in-law. The one downside is 
we are halfway between Raleigh & Greensboro, North Carolina. Depending on where 
our internet cable makes its connection our local channels vary between the two 
cities. I 
haven't figured out how to make it choose one or the other. 


EjR 


On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 12:20?PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:

We tried several streaming services and switched to YouTubeTV 4 or 5 years ago.  All of the channels you mentioned are included with their base packages. We watched it on both a Roku TV and via Amazon Firesticks with no problems. That said, we recently bought a new TV that used Google?s operating system and it works even better on that.  (I even put an old TV in the shop with a Firestick. ?) 


No complaints, other than the fact that the price keeps going up, just like everything else. 


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2024, at 11:25 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:


?Take a look @ Amazon prime video. While they don?t rave the full channel, they do have at least some of the shows.  


I got rid of Dish about 3 years ago & set up GetChannels for local stuff (needs antenna) & stream everything else from Amazon, PBS, Britbox & and few others. Much cheaper than what I was paying, even including the cost of Amazon Prime. 


Peace, Pat


Pat Horne  
We support Habitat for Humanity



On Mar 22, 2024, at 9:36?AM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:


? 
AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service. They offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and with 300 mg internet...
sounded good.
 
Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.  Bought 3.
 
Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse ...i.e. Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my wife's 
favorites)
were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at anywhere between 
5 and 10 bucks a month...
 
Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those channels 
included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally and 
it's mostly down
all the time
 
suggestions appreciated
 
john
 
and I'm 
going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
_______________________________________________

Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Suggested annual donation  $12.96
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-
talk/patintexas at icloud.com


_______________________________________________

Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Suggested annual donation  $12.96
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-
talk/1789alpine at gmail.com


_______________________________________________

Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Suggested annual donation  $12.96
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-
talk/ejrussell61 at gmail.com
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240322/7e58a7c9/attachment-0001.htm>

From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sat Mar 23 19:10:28 2024
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 21:10:28 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] How to open clearance on a hardened pin?
Message-ID: <4BFA4F88-D609-4306-BE93-3D1E23316C06@groupwbench.org>

I'm assembling a Moto Guzzi swingarm which attaches to the back of the gearbox. The gearbox has 2 recesses in which live plain roller bearings. The swingarm has threaded holes through which locating pins screw. The tips of the pins are unthreaded and locate into the ID of of the roller bearings. Parts #12 here:

https://harpermoto.com/collections/1980-1984-v-50-iii-500-swing-arm

The pins are known for being stuck yet mine came out easily, probably because the inner race was able to rest against the swingarm while the pin was being pulled out. Assembly is another matter. The bearings don't bottom out in their recess so the inner race has nothing supporting it when I screw the pins into the swingarm, and one pin is not sliding into the inner race (the other pin fits into both races as it should). I don't want to hammer on it and dent the races. I've sanded it with some 400 grit but I'm pretty sure the pins are hardened and so I haven't made any progress.

Any thoughts on how to get this pin to fit in the bearing? Freezing it is not a great option because of the time it takes to get things installed, plus I'll need to do clearance adjustments. 

thanks,
jim

From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 20:14:44 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 23:14:44 -0300
Subject: [Shop-talk] How to open clearance on a hardened pin?
In-Reply-To: <4BFA4F88-D609-4306-BE93-3D1E23316C06@groupwbench.org>
References: <4BFA4F88-D609-4306-BE93-3D1E23316C06@groupwbench.org>
Message-ID: <CADkpZwFvjeuMMP3Yv3MrDixZA9E9akK7CjXhtW+JnRNZeb2kzg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim, I don't know this part/assembly but it seems to me that the original
engineering would not have required hammering. Added to that one side goes
in well but not the other, I'm wondering if the bike might have a little
eccentricity in the fit-up? Is it possible that it was laid down at some
point in the past and has a little twist in the assembly?

________________
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 10:17 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

> I'm assembling a Moto Guzzi swingarm which attaches to the back of the
> gearbox. The gearbox has 2 recesses in which live plain roller bearings.
> The swingarm has threaded holes through which locating pins screw. The tips
> of the pins are unthreaded and locate into the ID of of the roller
> bearings. Parts #12 here:
>
> https://harpermoto.com/collections/1980-1984-v-50-iii-500-swing-arm
>
> The pins are known for being stuck yet mine came out easily, probably
> because the inner race was able to rest against the swingarm while the pin
> was being pulled out. Assembly is another matter. The bearings don't bottom
> out in their recess so the inner race has nothing supporting it when I
> screw the pins into the swingarm, and one pin is not sliding into the inner
> race (the other pin fits into both races as it should). I don't want to
> hammer on it and dent the races. I've sanded it with some 400 grit but I'm
> pretty sure the pins are hardened and so I haven't made any progress.
>
> Any thoughts on how to get this pin to fit in the bearing? Freezing it is
> not a great option because of the time it takes to get things installed,
> plus I'll need to do clearance adjustments.
>
> thanks,
> jim
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240323/000f656e/attachment.htm>

From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sat Mar 23 20:23:06 2024
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 22:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] How to open clearance on a hardened pin?
In-Reply-To: <CADkpZwFvjeuMMP3Yv3MrDixZA9E9akK7CjXhtW+JnRNZeb2kzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BFA4F88-D609-4306-BE93-3D1E23316C06@groupwbench.org>
 <CADkpZwFvjeuMMP3Yv3MrDixZA9E9akK7CjXhtW+JnRNZeb2kzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58A20314-F792-48A5-AAB6-FB92979F921C@groupwbench.org>

Good thought but I should have specified that I tried inserting the pin directly into the bearing race and it exhibited the same issue. 

jim

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:14 PM, Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim, I don't know this part/assembly but it seems to me that the original engineering would not have required hammering. Added to that one side goes in well but not the other, I'm wondering if the bike might have a little eccentricity in the fit-up? Is it possible that it was laid down at some point in the past and has a little twist in the assembly?
> 
> ________________
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
> 
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 10:17 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org <mailto:jamesf at groupwbench.org>> wrote:
>> I'm assembling a Moto Guzzi swingarm which attaches to the back of the gearbox. The gearbox has 2 recesses in which live plain roller bearings. The swingarm has threaded holes through which locating pins screw. The tips of the pins are unthreaded and locate into the ID of of the roller bearings. Parts #12 here:
>> 
>> https://harpermoto.com/collections/1980-1984-v-50-iii-500-swing-arm
>> 
>> The pins are known for being stuck yet mine came out easily, probably because the inner race was able to rest against the swingarm while the pin was being pulled out. Assembly is another matter. The bearings don't bottom out in their recess so the inner race has nothing supporting it when I screw the pins into the swingarm, and one pin is not sliding into the inner race (the other pin fits into both races as it should). I don't want to hammer on it and dent the races. I've sanded it with some 400 grit but I'm pretty sure the pins are hardened and so I haven't made any progress.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on how to get this pin to fit in the bearing? Freezing it is not a great option because of the time it takes to get things installed, plus I'll need to do clearance adjustments. 
>> 
>> thanks,
>> jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
>> 
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com
>> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240323/76e0726e/attachment.htm>

From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 04:49:54 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 07:49:54 -0300
Subject: [Shop-talk] How to open clearance on a hardened pin?
In-Reply-To: <58A20314-F792-48A5-AAB6-FB92979F921C@groupwbench.org>
References: <4BFA4F88-D609-4306-BE93-3D1E23316C06@groupwbench.org>
 <CADkpZwFvjeuMMP3Yv3MrDixZA9E9akK7CjXhtW+JnRNZeb2kzg@mail.gmail.com>
 <58A20314-F792-48A5-AAB6-FB92979F921C@groupwbench.org>
Message-ID: <CADkpZwEbqaZrZn2ndwVQ=X4vK4Gt60QmWFtLXTzBqjUXY-iSxw@mail.gmail.com>

Well, ok then... BTW, are the bearings and races not in the diagram you
referenced or am I missing something?

________________
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 11:23 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

> Good thought but I should have specified that I tried inserting the pin
> directly into the bearing race and it exhibited the same issue.
>
> jim
>
> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:14 PM, Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jim, I don't know this part/assembly but it seems to me that the original
> engineering would not have required hammering. Added to that one side goes
> in well but not the other, I'm wondering if the bike might have a little
> eccentricity in the fit-up? Is it possible that it was laid down at some
> point in the past and has a little twist in the assembly?
>
> ________________
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 10:17 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm assembling a Moto Guzzi swingarm which attaches to the back of the
>> gearbox. The gearbox has 2 recesses in which live plain roller bearings.
>> The swingarm has threaded holes through which locating pins screw. The tips
>> of the pins are unthreaded and locate into the ID of of the roller
>> bearings. Parts #12 here:
>>
>> https://harpermoto.com/collections/1980-1984-v-50-iii-500-swing-arm
>>
>> The pins are known for being stuck yet mine came out easily, probably
>> because the inner race was able to rest against the swingarm while the pin
>> was being pulled out. Assembly is another matter. The bearings don't bottom
>> out in their recess so the inner race has nothing supporting it when I
>> screw the pins into the swingarm, and one pin is not sliding into the inner
>> race (the other pin fits into both races as it should). I don't want to
>> hammer on it and dent the races. I've sanded it with some 400 grit but I'm
>> pretty sure the pins are hardened and so I haven't made any progress.
>>
>> Any thoughts on how to get this pin to fit in the bearing? Freezing it is
>> not a great option because of the time it takes to get things installed,
>> plus I'll need to do clearance adjustments.
>>
>> thanks,
>> jim
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240324/d481acc8/attachment-0001.htm>

From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 07:17:23 2024
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 06:17:23 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] How to open clearance on a hardened pin?
In-Reply-To: <CADkpZwEbqaZrZn2ndwVQ=X4vK4Gt60QmWFtLXTzBqjUXY-iSxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BFA4F88-D609-4306-BE93-3D1E23316C06@groupwbench.org>
 <CADkpZwFvjeuMMP3Yv3MrDixZA9E9akK7CjXhtW+JnRNZeb2kzg@mail.gmail.com>
 <58A20314-F792-48A5-AAB6-FB92979F921C@groupwbench.org>
 <CADkpZwEbqaZrZn2ndwVQ=X4vK4Gt60QmWFtLXTzBqjUXY-iSxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1pxgYprm6aaRgTJOQRUi05DQqZ4bT5YM7MqtbQ1LTk4NMRZA@mail.gmail.com>

I had a '73 MG V7 Sport which had a different swing arm but a similar
arrangement.

I would think that if they came out easily, they should go back in
reasonably easily. If not, something is interfering with the refitment.

Perhaps:

   1. inspect the fitment for any scoring or swarth that could be
   interfering (I am certain that you already did this)
   2. Swap the left bearing for the right to see if there are
   dimensional differences.
   3. Swap the bearing side you insert first into the arm
   4. As mentioned, use a light abrasion like crocus cloth or scotch bright
   pads to polish up the surfaces of the bearing and the swingarm cylinders

I know that it is little help, but if they came out without hammering, they
should go back without hammering. Something has changed that is causing the
interference fitment now and you will need to determine what has
happened/changed during the R&R process.

best,

doug

On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 3:57?AM Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, ok then... BTW, are the bearings and races not in the diagram you
> referenced or am I missing something?
>
> ________________
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 11:23 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Good thought but I should have specified that I tried inserting the pin
>> directly into the bearing race and it exhibited the same issue.
>>
>> jim
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:14 PM, Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jim, I don't know this part/assembly but it seems to me that the original
>> engineering would not have required hammering. Added to that one side goes
>> in well but not the other, I'm wondering if the bike might have a little
>> eccentricity in the fit-up? Is it possible that it was laid down at some
>> point in the past and has a little twist in the assembly?
>>
>> ________________
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 10:17 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assembling a Moto Guzzi swingarm which attaches to the back of the
>>> gearbox. The gearbox has 2 recesses in which live plain roller bearings.
>>> The swingarm has threaded holes through which locating pins screw. The tips
>>> of the pins are unthreaded and locate into the ID of of the roller
>>> bearings. Parts #12 here:
>>>
>>> https://harpermoto.com/collections/1980-1984-v-50-iii-500-swing-arm
>>>
>>> The pins are known for being stuck yet mine came out easily, probably
>>> because the inner race was able to rest against the swingarm while the pin
>>> was being pulled out. Assembly is another matter. The bearings don't bottom
>>> out in their recess so the inner race has nothing supporting it when I
>>> screw the pins into the swingarm, and one pin is not sliding into the inner
>>> race (the other pin fits into both races as it should). I don't want to
>>> hammer on it and dent the races. I've sanded it with some 400 grit but I'm
>>> pretty sure the pins are hardened and so I haven't made any progress.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how to get this pin to fit in the bearing? Freezing it
>>> is not a great option because of the time it takes to get things installed,
>>> plus I'll need to do clearance adjustments.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240324/21a7ee23/attachment.htm>

From patintexas at icloud.com  Sun Mar 24 07:41:55 2024
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 08:41:55 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] How to open clearance on a hardened pin?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1pxgYprm6aaRgTJOQRUi05DQqZ4bT5YM7MqtbQ1LTk4NMRZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1pxgYprm6aaRgTJOQRUi05DQqZ4bT5YM7MqtbQ1LTk4NMRZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB81F12C-C3A6-4E24-A399-657B6AA28748@icloud.com>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240324/aad4e977/attachment.htm>

From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sun Mar 24 07:58:07 2024
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 09:58:07 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] How to open clearance on a hardened pin?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1pxgYprm6aaRgTJOQRUi05DQqZ4bT5YM7MqtbQ1LTk4NMRZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BFA4F88-D609-4306-BE93-3D1E23316C06@groupwbench.org>
 <CADkpZwFvjeuMMP3Yv3MrDixZA9E9akK7CjXhtW+JnRNZeb2kzg@mail.gmail.com>
 <58A20314-F792-48A5-AAB6-FB92979F921C@groupwbench.org>
 <CADkpZwEbqaZrZn2ndwVQ=X4vK4Gt60QmWFtLXTzBqjUXY-iSxw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG1pxgYprm6aaRgTJOQRUi05DQqZ4bT5YM7MqtbQ1LTk4NMRZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <775AC3DE-2549-46FE-AFE8-CD88FA4E9C9B@groupwbench.org>

The right side pin fits into both bearings so it isn't the bearing races, the problem is the left pin. 

It came out "easily" because it's a fine threaded pin and the bearing race had the swingarm face to rest against during unthreading and mask any issue. Very much like removng a nail with a claw hammer- there's the wood surface to lever against. 

Going in there is nothing to brace the race against because of the clearance behind it. 

I could clamp the swingarm sides together but I'd still have a ton of stiction on that pin, which I can't have if I'm going to set the clearances. 

I can't remember if the list accepts pictures but here is the setup. What's the most baffling is both pins measure 0.5900" around the entire circumference at the trouble point. Right pin still has anti-sieze on it. The friend with the lathe might have some crocus cloth, I'll try that tonight. 

jim

?

?

> On Mar 24, 2024, at 9:17 AM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I had a '73 MG V7 Sport which had a different swing arm but a similar arrangement.
> 
> I would think that if they came out easily, they should go back in reasonably easily. If not, something is interfering with the refitment.  
> 
> Perhaps:
> inspect the fitment for any scoring or swarth that could be interfering (I am certain that you already did this)
> Swap the left bearing for the right to see if there are dimensional differences.
> Swap the bearing side you insert first into the arm 
> As mentioned, use a light abrasion like crocus cloth or scotch bright pads to polish up the surfaces of the bearing and the swingarm cylinders
> I know that it is little help, but if they came out without hammering, they should go back without hammering. Something has changed that is causing the interference fitment now and you will need to determine what has happened/changed during the R&R process.
> 
> best,
> 
> doug
> 
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 3:57?AM Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com <mailto:alfuller194 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Well, ok then... BTW, are the bearings and races not in the diagram you referenced or am I missing something?
>> 
>> ________________
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 11:23 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org <mailto:jamesf at groupwbench.org>> wrote:
>>> Good thought but I should have specified that I tried inserting the pin directly into the bearing race and it exhibited the same issue. 
>>> 
>>> jim
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:14 PM, Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com <mailto:alfuller194 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jim, I don't know this part/assembly but it seems to me that the original engineering would not have required hammering. Added to that one side goes in well but not the other, I'm wondering if the bike might have a little eccentricity in the fit-up? Is it possible that it was laid down at some point in the past and has a little twist in the assembly?
>>>> 
>>>> ________________
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Al Fuller
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 10:17 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org <mailto:jamesf at groupwbench.org>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm assembling a Moto Guzzi swingarm which attaches to the back of the gearbox. The gearbox has 2 recesses in which live plain roller bearings. The swingarm has threaded holes through which locating pins screw. The tips of the pins are unthreaded and locate into the ID of of the roller bearings. Parts #12 here:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://harpermoto.com/collections/1980-1984-v-50-iii-500-swing-arm
>>>>> 
>>>>> The pins are known for being stuck yet mine came out easily, probably because the inner race was able to rest against the swingarm while the pin was being pulled out. Assembly is another matter. The bearings don't bottom out in their recess so the inner race has nothing supporting it when I screw the pins into the swingarm, and one pin is not sliding into the inner race (the other pin fits into both races as it should). I don't want to hammer on it and dent the races. I've sanded it with some 400 grit but I'm pretty sure the pins are hardened and so I haven't made any progress.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any thoughts on how to get this pin to fit in the bearing? Freezing it is not a great option because of the time it takes to get things installed, plus I'll need to do clearance adjustments. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> jim
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
>> 
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com
>> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240324/fc2fe3fb/attachment-0001.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: IMG_7679.jpeg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 214048 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240324/fc2fe3fb/attachment-0002.jpeg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: IMG_7680.jpeg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 188431 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240324/fc2fe3fb/attachment-0003.jpeg>

From stevehochschild at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 08:54:45 2024
From: stevehochschild at gmail.com (Steve Hochschild)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 09:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
In-Reply-To: <1UhSDl3ajk.4Lw6zlPVpnb@johns-desktop>
References: <8BB526C5-F454-4EA2-9E0F-F4CA8C950554@icloud.com>
 <31C939AE-E3C7-4F5E-A615-4C6BF4F64EE7@gmail.com>
 <CAP7dBXDh=G2Gvt2QzEq2ts8DZq6Qpbxq8LEA56v0-YfyfgrEHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1UhSDl3ajk.4Lw6zlPVpnb@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <CACsFVx-qZTdBki7tmMNgcSzd-VchRGrrs88iMaCC9RBUFcH5pg@mail.gmail.com>

I have found that if you subscribe to YouTube Premium for $12/month, they
give you access to YouTube TV, which normally costs $72/month.  They also
let me access YouTube Music.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024, 3:45 PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> Well, after being a dumba** I finally called DirectTV for help. My slow
> old brain was telling me my dumb tvs were actually smart tvs with the ROKU
> boxes
>
> RDirecttv rep agreed and showed me how to access and set them up
>
> I'm streaming big time now, baby
>
> thanks for all the suggestions? I'll save the info if I need a change in
> the future
>
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 3/22/2024 11:37:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] tv streaming stsuff
> ------------------------------
> We ditched Dish &/or DirectTV a few years ago. Their price kept climbing
> (even though 'new' customers got a break) and the signal would be lost at
> the mere prediction of rain.
>
> We switched to Spectrum and tried their TV service. The connection was
> good but again, the price kept climbing once we were no longer 'new'.
>
> About a year ago we cancelled the Spectrum TV and now use You Tube TV.
> There is a fee for the service - which we share with our son-in-law. The
> one downside is we are halfway between Raleigh & Greensboro, North
> Carolina. Depending on where our internet cable makes its connection our
> local channels vary between the two cities. I haven't figured out how to
> make it choose one or the other.
>
> EjR
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 12:20?PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We tried several streaming services and switched to YouTubeTV 4 or 5
>> years ago.  All of the channels you mentioned are included with their base
>> packages. We watched it on both a Roku TV and via Amazon Firesticks with no
>> problems. That said, we recently bought a new TV that used Google?s
>> operating system and it works even better on that.  (I even put an old TV
>> in the shop with a Firestick. ?)
>>
>> No complaints, other than the fact that the price keeps going up, just
>> like everything else.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2024, at 11:25 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Take a look @ Amazon prime video. While they don?t rave the full
>> channel, they do have at least some of the shows.
>>
>> I got rid of Dish about 3 years ago & set up GetChannels for local stuff
>> (needs antenna) & stream everything else from Amazon, PBS, Britbox & and
>> few others. Much cheaper than what I was paying, even including the cost of
>> Amazon Prime.
>>
>> Peace, Pat
>>
>> Pat Horne
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2024, at 9:36?AM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> AT&T contacted me saying they are doing away with my U-verse service.
>> They offered Directv stream as my best option...cheaper, faster and with
>> 300 mg internet...
>> sounded good.
>>
>> Then for my local stuff and other their suggested a Roku device.  Bought
>> 3.
>>
>> Now upon install I find that channels that were included with Uverse
>> ...i.e. Hallmark, HGTV, Food Network, Fox news and others (all my wife's
>> favorites)
>> were not included but only supplied as a subscribed service at anywhere
>> between 5 and 10 bucks a month...
>>
>> Looking for alternatives to Roku device or other way to get those
>> channels included... Cable is a no-go We only have Spectrum locally and
>> it's mostly down
>> all the time
>>
>> suggestions appreciated
>>
>> john
>>
>> and I'm going to get back to the Bluetooth hearing aid stuff soon.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61 at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
> http://autox.team.net/archive
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stevehochschild at gmail.com
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk/attachments/20240324/b96213ec/attachment.htm>