From jamesf at groupwbench.org Mon Jun 3 18:01:32 2024 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2024 20:01:32 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Converting a bubble flare to a bleeder port? Message-ID: <92C87F9B-0A83-4811-A221-2403AA175969@groupwbench.org> I have a Moto Guzzi that had linked brakes, with the rear pedal operating the rear caliper and one front caliper via a length of tubing. I'm converting it to normal operation so I need to cap off one of the ports on the splitter connected to the rear caliper. From what I've read European braking systems use a bubble flare on their tubing- a one time use flare that crushes to conform to a concave bottomed hole. I figured I'd plug the unused hole with a bleeder so I can easily remove any air that's in that half of the splitter, but I don't know if a normal conical bleeder will seal against the bottom of the splitter. Does anyone know? The other option is to just cap it off with a bolt and crush washer but it's not as elegant. thanks, jim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_8033.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 97249 bytes Desc: not available URL: From strovato at optonline.net Tue Jun 4 10:25:03 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 12:25:03 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <6657547800053D75@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai > (added by postmaster@optonline.net) References: <5ff0d45d-d66f-435f-b688-9933903ddd3f@threeboysfarm.com> <665261e5.630a0220.97c42.bb07SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <6657547800053D75@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> Message-ID: <6643BF38030110AE@altprdrgo02.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is possible. Thanks. -Steve T. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From strovato at optonline.net Tue Jun 4 10:41:42 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 12:41:42 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Converting a bubble flare to a bleeder port? In-Reply-To: <92C87F9B-0A83-4811-A221-2403AA175969@groupwbench.org> References: <92C87F9B-0A83-4811-A221-2403AA175969@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <6643BC94030267CD@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Hi Jim. I don't have a definitive answer, but since you haven't gotten any responses I'll take a shot. Calipers and cylinders I have seen seem to have ports that are the same for the line and the bleeder. Sometimes they are even shipped with the bleeder in the wrong port. I would think that a bleeder that is made to work with the European system would work on that splitter. I would say, just try it and see. If it seals and doesn't leak, great. You can always go back to other less elegant options. If nothing else, maybe my comments here will encourage someone more knowledgeable to respond. -Steve T. At 08:01 PM 6/3/2024, Jim Franklin wrote: >I have a Moto Guzzi that had linked brakes, with the rear pedal >operating the rear caliper and one front caliper via a length of >tubing. I'm converting it to normal operation so I need to cap off >one of the ports on the splitter connected to the rear caliper. From >what I've read European braking systems use a bubble flare on their >tubing- a one time use flare that crushes to conform to a concave >bottomed hole. > >I figured I'd plug the unused hole with a bleeder so I can easily >remove any air that's in that half of the splitter, but I don't know >if a normal conical bleeder will seal against the bottom of the >splitter. Does anyone know? The other option is to just cap it off >with a bolt and crush washer but it's not as elegant. > >thanks, >jim -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From patintexas at icloud.com Tue Jun 4 10:53:44 2024 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 11:53:44 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <6643BF38030110AE@altprdrgo02.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) References: <6643BF38030110AE@altprdrgo02.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Message-ID: <1FF7B908-3F9E-4A86-9D98-1B0D7C8D5911@icloud.com> Steve, you should be able to make an extension from a piece of rigid metal conduit. It will be threaded on both ends & will need a coupling to connect to the fixture. EMT conduit would probably be too light unless you only need an inch or two extension. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 4, 2024, at 11:39?AM, Steven Trovato wrote: ?Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is possible. Thanks. -Steve T. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From 1789alpine at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 10:55:26 2024 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 12:55:26 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <665f4365.630a0220.353aee.5002SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <665f4365.630a0220.353aee.5002SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50F0B43C-4870-4E71-B807-52F83C84370D@gmail.com> I had to do that a number of years ago for pretty much the same reason. As I recall, the thread size is the same as standard plumbing and I just used a short length of black pipe with a connector to extend the reach and painted it to match. It would be easy to check by bringing one of the fixtures from the electrical department to the plumbing department. Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:40?PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > > ?Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > > Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is possible. Thanks. > > -Steve T. > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > From strovato at optonline.net Tue Jun 4 11:00:42 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 13:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <1FF7B908-3F9E-4A86-9D98-1B0D7C8D5911@icloud.com> References: <6643BF38030110AE@altprdrgo02.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> <1FF7B908-3F9E-4A86-9D98-1B0D7C8D5911@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6657547800D59D21@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Sounds good. Is rigid conduit and couplings suitable for outdoor use? Thanks. -Steve T. At 12:53 PM 6/4/2024, Pat Horne wrote: >Steve, you should be able to make an extension >from a piece of rigid metal conduit. It will be >threaded on both ends & will need a coupling to >connect to the fixture. EMT conduit would >probably be too light unless you only need an inch or two extension. > >Peace, Pat > >Pat Horne >We support Habitat for Humanity > > >On Jun 4, 2024, at 11:39???AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > >???Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > >https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > >Is there any way to extend the part with the >threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of >the lights is blocked by the gutter >downspout. I would like to extend it out from >there. If the wires need to be longer I can >figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will >have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the >downspout would be difficult. I can also >relocate the whole light, but some sort of >extension arm would be the quickest and easiest >solution of it is possible. Thanks. > >-Steve T. > > > >-- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >www.avast.com >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From bk13 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 4 11:01:23 2024 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 17:01:23 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension Message-ID: The easiest solution might be to just remove the one light that is in the way and plug the opening with a closure plug. You would then just have a single light, but maybe that is ok. https://www.lowes.com/search?searchTerm=closure+plugs If you just need a short extension, you could use a conduit coupling and nipple. My concern would be the length of the wire. Any wire connections should be in the electrical box and not in conduit. I would probably use some plumbers tape to make sure the threaded connections are watertight to keep the rain out. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-ProConnex-1-2-in-Zinc-plated-Steel-Threaded-Coupling-Conduit-Fittings/1100421 https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Threaded-Nipple-Intermediate-Metal-Conduit-Compatible-Galvanized-Rigid-Conduit-Compatible-Rigid-Metal-Conduit-Compatible-Conduit-Fitting/3389352 Brian -----Original Message----- From: Steven Trovato Sent: Jun 4, 2024 9:27 AM To: Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is possible. Thanks. -Steve T. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive (http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk) Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net From patintexas at icloud.com Tue Jun 4 11:03:56 2024 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 12:03:56 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <6657547800D59D21@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) References: <6657547800D59D21@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Message-ID: Yes. It?s galvanized & looks like galvanized water pipe but I don?t know if the thread is the same & water pipe may have burrs on the inside that could damage the wire. I?d use some sealer on the joints too. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:00?PM, Steven Trovato wrote: ?Sounds good. Is rigid conduit and couplings suitable for outdoor use? Thanks. -Steve T. At 12:53 PM 6/4/2024, Pat Horne wrote: > Steve, you should be able to make an extension from a piece of rigid metal conduit. It will be threaded on both ends & will need a coupling to connect to the fixture. EMT conduit would probably be too light unless you only need an inch or two extension. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 4, 2024, at 11:39?AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > > ?Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > > Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is possible. Thanks. > > -Steve T. > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From strovato at optonline.net Tue Jun 4 11:11:57 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 13:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <50F0B43C-4870-4E71-B807-52F83C84370D@gmail.com> References: <665f4365.630a0220.353aee.5002SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <50F0B43C-4870-4E71-B807-52F83C84370D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <665654FF00F23C9D@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Well, I think black pipe uses pipe thread that is tapered so it gets tighter as you go. The electrical stuff does not seem to be tapered so it uses those lock rings. As Jim was saying, there is rigid electrical conduit, so maybe the solution can be worked out without a trip to the plumbing dept. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. -Steve T. At 12:55 PM 6/4/2024, Jim Stone wrote: >I had to do that a number of years ago for >pretty much the same reason. As I recall, the >thread size is the same as standard plumbing and >I just used a short length of black pipe with a >connector to extend the reach and painted it to >match. It would be easy to check by bringing one >of the fixtures from the electrical department to the plumbing department. > >Jim > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:40???PM, Steven Trovato > wrote: > > > > ???Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > > > > > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > > > > Is there any way to extend the part with the > threaded end? Through some bad planning, one > of the lights is blocked by the gutter > downspout. I would like to extend it out from > there. If the wires need to be longer I can > figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will > have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving > the downspout would be difficult. I can also > relocate the whole light, but some sort of > extension arm would be the quickest and easiest > solution of it is possible. Thanks. > > > > -Steve T. > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > www.avast.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: > http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From 1789alpine at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 11:25:26 2024 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:25:26 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <665f4b16.d40a0220.27c161.e3e1SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <665f4b16.d40a0220.27c161.e3e1SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hmmm. Maybe I just did it with a short piece of conduit and fittings. It was at least 20 years ago so I could easily be misremembering. But I definitely did it and it was definitely with standard fittings that I found at Lowe?s or Home Depot. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 4, 2024, at 1:12?PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > > ?Well, I think black pipe uses pipe thread that is tapered so it gets tighter as you go. The electrical stuff does not seem to be tapered so it uses those lock rings. As Jim was saying, there is rigid electrical conduit, so maybe the solution can be worked out without a trip to the plumbing dept. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. > > -Steve T. > > At 12:55 PM 6/4/2024, Jim Stone wrote: > >> I had to do that a number of years ago for pretty much the same reason. As I recall, the thread size is the same as standard plumbing and I just used a short length of black pipe with a connector to extend the reach and painted it to match. It would be easy to check by bringing one of the fixtures from the electrical department to the plumbing department. >> >> Jim >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:40?PM, Steven Trovato wrote: >> > >> > ?Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: >> > >> > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 >> > >> > Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is possible. Thanks. >> > >> > -Steve T. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > www.avast.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 4 12:24:57 2024 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <6657547800D59D21@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> References: <6643BF38030110AE@altprdrgo02.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> <1FF7B908-3F9E-4A86-9D98-1B0D7C8D5911@icloud.com> <6657547800D59D21@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> Message-ID: <858770928.1838914.1717525497919@mail.yahoo.com> Those threads are the same as what is used in plumbing.? Plumbing fittings will work as well. Dave On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 12:34:00 PM CDT, Steven Trovato wrote: Sounds good.? Is rigid conduit and couplings suitable for outdoor use?? Thanks. -Steve T. At 12:53 PM 6/4/2024, Pat Horne wrote: >Steve, you should be able to make an extension >from a piece of rigid metal conduit. It will be >threaded on both ends & will need a coupling to >connect to the fixture. EMT conduit would >probably be too light unless you only need an inch or two extension. > >Peace, Pat > >Pat Horne >We support Habitat for Humanity > > >On Jun 4, 2024, at 11:39???AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > >???Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > >https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > >Is there any way to extend the part with the >threaded end?? Through some bad planning, one of >the lights is blocked by the gutter >downspout.? I would like to extend it out from >there.? If the wires need to be longer I can >figure out how to do that.? Whatever I do will >have to be suitable for outdoor use.? Moving the >downspout would be difficult.? I can also >relocate the whole light, but some sort of >extension arm would be the quickest and easiest >solution of it is possible.? Thanks. > >-Steve T. > > > >-- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >www.avast.com >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation? $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Tue Jun 4 12:34:26 2024 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:34:26 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: <665654FF00F23C9D@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) References: <665654FF00F23C9D@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Message-ID: RMC has tapered threads also. RMC is the conduit that is used for overhead electrical service masts. Black pipe is not intended for outside use unless it is painted. If you decide to use pipe instead of conduit, be sure to check the inside for burrs or anything that can cut into the insulation. Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 4, 2024, at 1:28?PM, Steven Trovato wrote: ?Well, I think black pipe uses pipe thread that is tapered so it gets tighter as you go. The electrical stuff does not seem to be tapered so it uses those lock rings. As Jim was saying, there is rigid electrical conduit, so maybe the solution can be worked out without a trip to the plumbing dept. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. -Steve T. At 12:55 PM 6/4/2024, Jim Stone wrote: > I had to do that a number of years ago for pretty much the same reason. As I recall, the thread size is the same as standard plumbing and I just used a short length of black pipe with a connector to extend the reach and painted it to match. It would be easy to check by bringing one of the fixtures from the electrical department to the plumbing department. > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:40?PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > > > > ?Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > > > > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > > > > Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is possible. Thanks. > > > > -Steve T. > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > www.avast.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From fishplate at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 13:29:20 2024 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 15:29:20 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: References: <6657547800D59D21@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> Message-ID: Don't use water pipe in place of rigid conduit. This link is to a 6" conduit nipple that may work, https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Threaded-Nipple-Intermediate-Metal-Conduit-Compatible-Galvanized-Rigid-Conduit-Compatible-Rigid-Metal-Conduit-Compatible-Conduit-Fitting/1001832664 along with a threaded coupling https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-ProConnex-1-2-in-Zinc-plated-Steel-Threaded-Coupling-Conduit-Fittings/1100421 Too much weight on the end will torque the cover and the box. If you could add a support somehow, it would likely last longer. On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 2:08?PM Pat Horne wrote: > Yes. It?s galvanized & looks like galvanized water pipe but I don?t know > if the thread is the same & water pipe may have burrs on the inside that > could damage the wire. I?d use some sealer on the joints too. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:00?PM, Steven Trovato > wrote: > > ?Sounds good. Is rigid conduit and couplings suitable for outdoor use? > Thanks. > > -Steve T. > > At 12:53 PM 6/4/2024, Pat Horne wrote: > > > Steve, you should be able to make an extension from a piece of rigid > metal conduit. It will be threaded on both ends & will need a coupling to > connect to the fixture. EMT conduit would probably be too light unless you > only need an inch or two extension. > > > > Peace, Pat > > > > Pat Horne > > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2024, at 11:39?AM, Steven Trovato > wrote: > > > > ?Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > > > > > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > > > > Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through some > bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter downspout. I > would like to extend it out from there. If the wires need to be longer I > can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do will have to be suitable for > outdoor use. Moving the downspout would be difficult. I can also relocate > the whole light, but some sort of extension arm would be the quickest and > easiest solution of it is possible. 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URL: From strovato at optonline.net Tue Jun 4 14:27:00 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension In-Reply-To: References: <6657547800D59D21@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> Message-ID: <6657547800DCD503@altprdrgo04.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Good idea on adding a support. Since it looks like appropriate conduit pieces are available, I really don't see any reason to mess with plumbing stuff. Thanks for the help. -Steve T. At 03:29 PM 6/4/2024, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >Don't use water pipe in place of rigid conduit.? ? > >This link is to a 6" conduit nipple that may work, > >https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Threaded-Nipple-Intermediate-Metal-Conduit-Compatible-Galvanized-Rigid-Conduit-Compatible-Rigid-Metal-Conduit-Compatible-Conduit-Fitting/1001832664 > >along with? a threaded coupling? ? >https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-ProConnex-1-2-in-Zinc-plated-Steel-Threaded-Coupling-Conduit-Fittings/1100421 > >Too much weight on the end will torque the cover >and the box.? If you could add a support >somehow, it would likely last longer.? ? > >On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 2:08???PM Pat Horne ><patintexas at icloud.com> wrote: >Yes. It???s galvanized & looks like galvanized >water pipe but I don???t know if the thread is >the same & water pipe may have burrs on the >inside that could damage the wire. I???d use some sealer on the joints too. > >Peace, Pat > >Pat Horne >We support Habitat for Humanity > > >On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:00???PM, Steven Trovato ><strovato at optonline.net> wrote: > >???Sounds good.? Is rigid conduit and couplings >suitable for outdoor use?? Thanks. > >-Steve T. > >At 12:53 PM 6/4/2024, Pat Horne wrote: > > > Steve, you should be able to make an > extension from a piece of rigid metal conduit. > It will be threaded on both ends & will need a > coupling to connect to the fixture. EMT conduit > would probably be too light unless you only need an inch or two extension. > > > > Peace, Pat > > > > Pat Horne > > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2024, at 11:39???AM, Steven Trovato > <strovato at optonline.net> wrote: > > > > ???Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > > > > > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > > > > Is there any way to extend the part with the > threaded end?? Through some bad planning, one > of the lights is blocked by the gutter > downspout.? I would like to extend it out from > there.? If the wires need to be longer I can > figure out how to do that.? Whatever I do will > have to be suitable for outdoor use.? Moving > the downspout would be difficult.? I can also > relocate the whole light, but some sort of > extension arm would be the quickest and easiest > solution of it is possible.? 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URL: From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Wed Jun 5 01:49:14 2024 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 00:49:14 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> If the wires aren't long enough you can extend it with a piece of threaded conduit and pipe plus a type C conduit body you can make the connection in: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Rigid-Conduit-Body/3389356 Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller at threeboysfarm.com > Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: > > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 > > Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through > some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter > downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires > need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do > will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would > be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of > extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is > possible. Thanks. > > -Steve T. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From strovato at optonline.net Wed Jun 5 08:24:03 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 10:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) In-Reply-To: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> References: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> Message-ID: <6643BC9403246497@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Yes, but now I think the weight might add up to more than can reasonably be handled without adding some sort of additional support. I am not sure how easy it is to disassemble the flood light as I don't have it on the bench in front of me, but I was thinking it might be better to completely replace the wires with longer ones. Thanks for your suggestion. -Steve T. At 03:49 AM 6/5/2024, Mark Miller wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="------------uC7UKNmg9SRVIzy01WcfhKXX" >Content-Language: en-US > >If the wires aren't long enough you can extend it with a piece of >threaded conduit and pipe plus a type C conduit body you can make >the connection in: >https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Rigid-Conduit-Body/3389356 > > > >Regards, > >Mark Miller 707-490-5834 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 17:41:52 2024 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 18:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) In-Reply-To: <6660f1b5.170a0220.22eda6.5b97SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <6660f1b5.170a0220.22eda6.5b97SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2F8A78C7-F340-4C10-87CF-D97D139539B1@gmail.com> > On Jun 5, 2024, at 18:16, Steven Trovato wrote: > > ? Yes, but now I think the weight might add up to more than can reasonably be handled without adding some sort of additional support. How far does it need to be? Rigid conduit is pretty stiff, I?d think a foot or so would be okay. If it?s possible in your setup, that lamp holder can be mounted on a normal metal box. From bk13 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 5 18:21:04 2024 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:21:04 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) In-Reply-To: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> References: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> Message-ID: <5c68c83d-8496-4c62-9a52-958d73c245ff@earthlink.net> Check local codes.? My city does not allow junctions in pull boxes like these.? I had several to change angles or in the middle of long pulls and had to open the cover for the building inspector. Brian On 6/5/2024 12:49 AM, Mark Miller wrote: > > If the wires aren't long enough you can extend it with a piece of > threaded conduit and pipe plus a type C conduit body you can make the > connection in: > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Rigid-Conduit-Body/3389356 > > > Regards, > > Mark Miller 707-490-5834 > markmiller at threeboysfarm.com >> Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: >> >> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 >> >> Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through >> some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter >> downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires >> need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do >> will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would >> be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of >> extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is >> possible. Thanks. >> >> -Steve T. >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From strovato at optonline.net Wed Jun 5 21:24:16 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 23:24:16 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) In-Reply-To: <5c68c83d-8496-4c62-9a52-958d73c245ff@earthlink.net> References: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> <5c68c83d-8496-4c62-9a52-958d73c245ff@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <66576DF9010B2187@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Brian, This is just a light on my home/shop. While I try to do things the right way, no one will be inspecting this. Does code even apply to this? This is essentially a light fixture, not part of structure wiring. I have seen homemade light fixtures like creative artistic chandeliers. I have also seen outdoor lights made of things like old lanterns or the globes from old gas pumps. I'm not trying to challenge you here, I really don't know where the line is drawn. -Steve T At 08:21 PM 6/5/2024, Brian Kemp wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="------------V8f0o51C9vHv2V58ybq4bDtm" >Content-Language: en-US > >Check local codes.? My city does not allow >junctions in pull boxes like these.? I had >several to change angles or in the middle of >long pulls and had to open the cover for the building inspector. > >Brian > >On 6/5/2024 12:49 AM, Mark Miller wrote: >> >>If the wires aren't long enough you can extend >>it with a piece of threaded conduit and pipe >>plus a type C conduit body you can make the >>connection in: >>https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Rigid-Conduit-Body/3389356 >> >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Mark Miller 707-490-5834 >>markmiller at threeboysfarm.com >>> >>>Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these: >>> >>>https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837 >>> >>>Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Through >>>some bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutter >>>downspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If the wires >>>need to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I do >>>will have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspout would >>>be difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort of >>>extension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it is >>>possible. Thanks. >>> >>>-Steve T. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>Archive: >>http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>http://autox.team.net/archive >> >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/strovato at optonline.net -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wolfeb at verizon.net Thu Jun 6 11:03:12 2024 From: wolfeb at verizon.net (Bruce Wolfe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 17:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) In-Reply-To: <6643BC9403246497@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> References: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> <6643BC9403246497@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> Message-ID: <629142548.2774850.1717693392561@mail.yahoo.com> Is there room to mount one of these extension boxes? Plenty of room to extend any short leads. Should be plenty strong. Bruce On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 06:05:45 PM CDT, Steven Trovato wrote: Yes, but now I think the weight might add up to more than can reasonablybe handled without adding some sort of additional support.? I am notsure how easy it is to disassemble the flood light as I don't have it onthe bench in front of me, but I was thinking it might be better tocompletely replace the wires with longer ones.? Thanks for yoursuggestion.? -Steve T. At 03:49 AM 6/5/2024, Mark Miller wrote: Content-Type:multipart/alternative; ?boundary="------------uC7UKNmg9SRVIzy01WcfhKXX" Content-Language: en-US If the wires aren't long enough you can extend it with a piece ofthreaded conduit and pipe plus a type C conduit body you can make theconnection in:https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Rigid-Conduit-Body/3389356 Regards, Mark Miller?? 707-490-5834 | | Virus-free.www.avast.com | _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/wolfeb at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk13 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 6 11:29:28 2024 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 17:29:28 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) Message-ID: <4184e9f9-d216-5078-e3b6-4f44dae4df11@earthlink.net> Steve - I just mention for safety/awareness. I am not an electrician or building contractor. You could probably get away with junctions in the pull box for small wires like the light in this case, but if there was ever a problem and an insurance inspector determined it was caused by a code violation, they could deny the claim. A home inspector could also question it as part of a home inspection for the house buyer when you sell. I had a buyer of my house in 2009 try and negotiate a better price for "code violations" their inspector found. I forwarded them a response from the city building department with code references showing their inspector was in error and I was in compliance with code. The sale happened, but it was hassle and a nervous buyer could use valid non-code compliance to walk away from a sale. All my experience is in suburban CA, so it my be different in the nice places where others on the list live. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Steven Trovato Sent: Jun 5, 2024 8:24 PM To: Brian Kemp , , Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] flood light extension (Steven Trovato) Brian, This is just a light on my home/shop. While I try to do things the right way, no one will be inspecting this. Does code even apply to this? This is essentially a light fixture, not part of structure wiring. I have seen homemade light fixtures like creative artistic chandeliers. I have also seen outdoor lights made of things like old lanterns or the globes from old gas pumps. I'm not trying to challenge you here, I really don't know where the line is drawn. -Steve T At 08:21 PM 6/5/2024, Brian Kemp wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------V8f0o51C9vHv2V58ybq4bDtm" Content-Language: en-US Check local codes. My city does not allow junctions in pull boxes like these. I had several to change angles or in the middle of long pulls and had to open the cover for the building inspector. Brian On 6/5/2024 12:49 AM, Mark Miller wrote: If the wires aren't long enough you can extend it with a piece of threaded conduit and pipe plus a type C conduit body you can make the connection in: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Rigid-Conduit-Body/3389356 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-ProConnex-1-2-in-Rigid-Conduit-Body/3389356) Regards,Mark Miller 707-490-5834markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (mailto:markmiller at threeboysfarm.com) Outside my shop I have a typical flood light with two of these:https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sigma-Electric-2-25-in-LED-Gray-Switch-Controlled-Floodlight/3136837Is there any way to extend the part with the threaded end? Throughsome bad planning, one of the lights is blocked by the gutterdownspout. I would like to extend it out from there. If thewiresneed to be longer I can figure out how to do that. Whatever I dowill have to be suitable for outdoor use. Moving the downspoutwouldbe difficult. I can also relocate the whole light, but some sort ofextension arm would be the quickest and easiest solution of it ispossible. 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Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and use local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importantly do not require a cloud based service or monthly fee. https://a.co/d/guKjNNk This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less than $30. I have 3 of them at our vacation house. --Miq On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21?AM Tim . wrote: > After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police > TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance > system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least > three cameras. > > I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done > professionally. > > Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. > > Thanks > tim > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Jun 8 08:40:12 2024 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Home surveillance system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check out alibisecurity.com. They have reasonably priced gear that lasts quite awhile. I?ve been using them for about 15 years & have had no in-warranty failures & only one DVR failure on a 9 year old unit. I am a small dealer, having only 5 clients & about 100 cameras. There are cheaper camera systems out there but this company is local to me & has local tech help. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 8, 2024, at 9:30?AM, Tim . wrote: ? After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least three cameras. I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done professionally. Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 08:45:41 2024 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 07:45:41 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Home surveillance system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tim, I know that you said you do not want a Ring camera and would like professional installation, but I would like to offer an option. I currently have three Ring cameras that are wireless and solar powered. It really is a simple matter of powering them up and connecting to your WiFi. I believe it is about $50.yr for the 24 service for unlimited number of cameras, you can monitor multiple cameras simultaneously from your phone or on your computer, have them send alerts that you can configure, you can activate them "live" with click to monitor what is going on, you can speak through them or activate a light, etc. I believe they are warranteed for life with the annual service fee (free replacement, including postage, I have needed to send one back that failed after about ten years). I think it is a very good deal. On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:22?AM Tim . wrote: > After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police > TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance > system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least > three cameras. > > I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done > professionally. > > Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. > > Thanks > tim > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.f.juhas at snet.net Sat Jun 8 10:33:37 2024 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 12:33:37 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Home surveillance system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE system work? On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN wrote: > Look at wyze and arlo. > > Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and > use local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most > importantly do not require a cloud based service or monthly fee. > > https://a.co/d/guKjNNk > > This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less > than $30. > > I have 3 of them at our vacation house. > > ? --Miq > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21?AM Tim . wrote: > > After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the > police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a > surveillance system of some sort. I don't want a single ring > camera as I need at least three cameras. > > I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it > done professionally. > > Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. > > Thanks > tim > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My property is spread out vertically and horizontally and I don't have good WiFi coverage for a full wireless system, so I put in a wired PoE NVR (Network video recorder) system.? PoE is Power over Ethernet so each camera is wired with a single cat5e cable.? The advantage of this is that there are no solar panels to try and get sun, batteries to monitor, or 110v power needed.? The cameras can also be more discrete.? I have a 4K eight camera system from Lorex bought on sale from Costco.? Video quality is great.? The price was good, but the false positives for motion detection caused me to turn off the alerts. My system came with a base network box with a hard drive about the size of a dictionary and the cameras.? For most of the cameras I used the supplied network cables.? For the other cameras I bought a 500' box of cat5e cable and made my own longer cables.? It is pretty easy to make cables.? I also have a battery backup (UPS) powering the NVR and my internet modem.? I can use my phone and the Lorex app to check each camera remotely.? There is no monthly fee because everything is stored on the hard drive of the NVR in my house. You can also get a simple camera that records with a SD memory card.? If you go this route, pay extra for a surveillance system quality card that is capable of continuous recording.? Any current system that records will overwrite old recordings so there is no need to delete anything.? The bigger the memory, the longer recordings are saved. If you want to read a bunch on this topic, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is very good. Brian On 6/8/2024 7:45 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I know that you said you do not want a Ring camera and would like > professional installation, but I would like to offer?an option. > > I currently have three?Ring cameras that are wireless and solar > powered. It really is a simple matter of powering them up and > connecting to your WiFi. I believe it is about $50.yr for the 24 > service for unlimited number of cameras, you can monitor > multiple?cameras?simultaneously from your phone or on your computer, > have them send alerts that you can configure, you can activate them > "live" with click to monitor?what is going on, you can speak through > them or activate a light, etc. > > ?I believe?they are warranteed?for life with the annual?service fee > (free replacement, including postage, I have needed to send one back > that failed after about ten years). > > I think it is a very good deal. > > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:22?AM Tim . > wrote: > > After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the > police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a > surveillance system of some sort. I don't want a single ring > camera as I need at least three cameras. > > I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it > done professionally. > > Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. > > Thanks > tim > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miq at bigllama.com Sat Jun 8 11:25:45 2024 From: miq at bigllama.com (MIQ MILLMAN) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:25:45 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Home surveillance system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, just access to home wifi, and use the wyze app. I can turn cameras on or off, set for motion detection, and aim/pan them remotely from my phone or from the computer I've set up. The unit I linked uses local storage only. --Miq On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 10:48?AM Jim Juhas wrote: > Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE system > work? > > On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN wrote: > > Look at wyze and arlo. > > Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and use > local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importantly do > not require a cloud based service or monthly fee. > > https://a.co/d/guKjNNk > > This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less > than $30. > > I have 3 of them at our vacation house. > > --Miq > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21?AM Tim . wrote: > >> After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police >> TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance >> system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least >> three cameras. >> >> I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done >> professionally. >> >> Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. >> >> Thanks >> tim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:54 Jim Juhas wrote: > Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE system > work? > > On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN wrote: > > Look at wyze and arlo. > > Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and use > local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importantly do > not require a cloud based service or monthly fee. > > https://a.co/d/guKjNNk > > This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less > than $30. > > I have 3 of them at our vacation house. > > --Miq > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21?AM Tim . wrote: > >> After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police >> TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance >> system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least >> three cameras. >> >> I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done >> professionally. >> >> Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. >> >> Thanks >> tim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have mine connected to Google home, but it isn't required. I do pay a yearly fee for enhanced recordings and notifications, but if you can get by with the basic free service, it's pretty easy to keep track yourself. On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:54 Jim Juhas > wrote: Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE system work? [cid:part1.1wLIePzc.1NzHgVYN at snet.net] On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN wrote: Look at wyze and arlo. Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and use local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importantly do not require a cloud based service or monthly fee. https://a.co/d/guKjNNk This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less than $30. I have 3 of them at our vacation house. --Miq On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21?AM Tim . > wrote: After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least three cameras. I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done professionally. Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 19:52:44 2024 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 21:52:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Home surveillance system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37507B4F-2A70-40E4-A0BD-2D766FEB5D05@gmail.com> I am also a Wyze user and overall am very happy with them. The app is simple and intuitive and I don?t (at least currently) subscribe to their enhanced monitoring service. I do have a couple of issues that you might want to consider before going with them. First, I am always disappointed by the time it takes the cameras to ?react?. We have a spotlight camera in our driveway and I am always surprised by how long it takes for the light to come on and the system to notify me when we walk or drive into the driveway. It works perfectly, but if you are counting on reasonably instant notification you might want to look into something else. Second, it feels to me like they have recently made monitoring without the service a little harder through recent updates. It used to be pretty simple to view recordings on the app but it takes an extra step now and click a button for the SD card, then look for the ?event? that was recorded. Before, you could just click on the image from the event and watch. It isn?t a big deal (unless of course, a thief stole your whole camera along with the SD card) but I get the feeling they are trying to make it harder to avoid paying for the extra service. That is why I said ?not currently? when it comes to the monitoring. Jim > On Jun 8, 2024, at 1:39?PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > I have four Wyze cameras - three of the cube cameras that plug in for power, and one floodlight camera that runs on house power. I have mine connected to Google home, but it isn't required. I do pay a yearly fee for enhanced recordings and notifications, but if you can get by with the basic free service, it's pretty easy to keep track yourself. > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:54 Jim Juhas > wrote: >> Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE system work? >> >> >> On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN wrote: >>> Look at wyze and arlo. >>> >>> Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and use local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importantly do not require a cloud based service or monthly fee. >>> >>> https://a.co/d/guKjNNk >>> >>> This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less than $30. >>> >>> I have 3 of them at our vacation house. >>> >>> --Miq >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21?AM Tim . > wrote: >>>> After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least three cameras. >>>> >>>> I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done professionally. >>>> >>>> Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> tim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would think that a bleeder that is made to work with the European system would work on that splitter. I would say, just try it and see. If it seals and doesn't leak, great. You can always go back to other less elegant options. If nothing else, maybe my comments here will encourage someone more knowledgeable to respond. > > -Steve T. > > At 08:01 PM 6/3/2024, Jim Franklin wrote: >> I have a Moto Guzzi that had linked brakes, with the rear pedal operating the rear caliper and one front caliper via a length of tubing. I'm converting it to normal operation so I need to cap off one of the ports on the splitter connected to the rear caliper. From what I've read European braking systems use a bubble flare on their tubing- a one time use flare that crushes to conform to a concave bottomed hole. >> >> I figured I'd plug the unused hole with a bleeder so I can easily remove any air that's in that half of the splitter, but I don't know if a normal conical bleeder will seal against the bottom of the splitter. Does anyone know? The other option is to just cap it off with a bolt and crush washer but it's not as elegant. >> >> thanks, >> jim > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com From strovato at optonline.net Tue Jun 11 16:30:48 2024 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 18:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Converting a bubble flare to a bleeder port? In-Reply-To: References: <92C87F9B-0A83-4811-A221-2403AA175969@groupwbench.org> <6643BC94030267CD@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> Message-ID: <6668A3A80008F4D9@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) That's great Jim! Thanks for letting us know. -Steve T. At 04:31 PM 6/11/2024, Jim Franklin wrote: >Thanks Steve. It worked. I had to crank it down a little, more than >a bleeder in a caliper, about the same as compressing a crush washer. > >jim -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Tue Jun 11 19:56:52 2024 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 18:56:52 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Once again: an oversized oops. In-Reply-To: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> References: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> Message-ID: <3744b96f-32f9-4878-a58b-e8875ec7cabe@threeboysfarm.com> Hi. Due to a colossal error on my part I now own a Freud LSB67003 670mm x 6.20 carbide tipped horizontal panel sizing blade ( freudtools.com/products/LSB67003 ). I bought it without knowing what I was getting (just saw a picture with no size context) - thinking it was a 10" or 12" blade that I could use in one of my saws. Nope. It's 2+ feet in diameter. Is this anything any of you can find a use for, or know anyone who might? Looking to give it to a good home or even a crappy one; it sells for a few hundred dollars so I do not want to just recycle it. Thanks! And for the original (I know I said I was getting rid of it) it is still totally available: I'm trying to make some space in my garage and decided it is time to rehome a hose reel I bought at an auction without knowing how big it was until I picked it up.? I thought it was a good wall mountable garage type hose reel but it would be better suited on the back of a propane delivery truck.? Brand new, made by Cox Reels. 1125-4-450-ED? Specs at: https://www.coxreels.com/1125-series_8_15.html#product_67 Reel is 18" diameter with a 6" core, 25" long.? It has a 12V 53A explosion proof motor to reel it in, 1/2" NPT fittings. Overall size is roughly 20" x 40" x 20" and is bolted to a 21"x423" board for shipping. Probably a grand or so to go and buy; I paid about $50. The motor alone is $400-500. Come and take it or we can discuss arranging shipping. If you are feeling generous maybe give me a little one I can actually use, or even my $50.? Or not.? Located in Santa Rosa, Ca. Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller at threeboysfarm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.f.juhas at snet.net Tue Jun 11 20:10:37 2024 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 22:10:37 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Once again: an oversized oops. In-Reply-To: <3744b96f-32f9-4878-a58b-e8875ec7cabe@threeboysfarm.com> References: <227541df-1b76-4a80-a237-cd7f5f08093b@threeboysfarm.com> <3744b96f-32f9-4878-a58b-e8875ec7cabe@threeboysfarm.com> Message-ID: <696a2e67-5264-4f6e-9d98-e594b2972fed@snet.net> I am glad I live in Connecticut, way too far to consider. (Whew!) I commend you on your generosity and good nature. Jim On 6/11/2024 9:56 PM, Mark Miller wrote: > > Hi. Due to a colossal error on my part I now own a Freud LSB67003 > 670mm x 6.20 carbide tipped horizontal panel sizing blade > ( freudtools.com/products/LSB67003 > ). I bought it without > knowing what I was getting (just saw a picture with no size context) - > thinking it was a 10" or 12" blade that I could use in one of my saws. > Nope. It's 2+ feet in diameter. Is this anything any of you can find a > use for, or know anyone who might? Looking to give it to a good home > or even a crappy one; it sells for a few hundred dollars so I do not > want to just recycle it. Thanks! > > And for the original (I know I said I was getting rid of it) it is > still totally available: > > I'm trying to make some space in my garage and decided it is time to > rehome a hose reel I bought at an auction without knowing how big it > was until I picked it up.? I thought it was a good wall mountable > garage type hose reel but it would be better suited on the back of a > propane delivery truck.? Brand new, made by Cox Reels. 1125-4-450-ED? > Specs at: https://www.coxreels.com/1125-series_8_15.html#product_67 > > Reel is 18" diameter with a 6" core, 25" long.? It has a 12V 53A > explosion proof motor to reel it in, 1/2" NPT fittings. Overall size > is roughly 20" x 40" x 20" and is bolted to a 21"x423" board for > shipping. > > Probably a grand or so to go and buy; I paid about $50. The motor > alone is $400-500. Come and take it or we can discuss arranging > shipping. If you are feeling generous maybe give me a little one I can > actually use, or even my $50.? 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URL: From james.f.juhas at snet.net Wed Jun 12 06:57:35 2024 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 08:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Wheel balancing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37738EB0-70F0-487D-97AE-EB055C49A515@snet.net> I exclusively use stick-on weights on the inside of the wheel, and use the racers? trick of covering them with duct tape, the silver foil type with the peel off backing. My balancer gives me choices for static or dynamic balance locations but mostly use static around the inside center of the rim width. Not an original idea. SASCO Motorsports, from whom I purchase my race tires, does them this way. I do this on alloy, steel and wire wheels. I do first clean the surface where the weights will go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2024, at 8:14?AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?Great hive mind... > > I am having some issues with wheel weights staying on. I'm using new weights meant for allow wheels, and I'm having a hard time getting the weight on the rim and staying there. > > Is there a trick to this that I'm missing? I never had problems with steel rims and weights. > > Thanks. > > Moose_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrochlin at comcast.net Wed Jun 12 08:34:47 2024 From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 10:34:47 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Wheel balancing In-Reply-To: <37738EB0-70F0-487D-97AE-EB055C49A515@snet.net> References: <37738EB0-70F0-487D-97AE-EB055C49A515@snet.net> Message-ID: <521C207D-137C-4A95-9676-4D3CADAF1B15@comcast.net> Last time I had wire wheels balanced the tech told me that stick on weights should only be used on alloy wheels. Bob ?72 TR6 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2024, at 9:11?AM, Jim Juhas wrote: > > ?I exclusively use stick-on weights on the inside of the wheel, and use the racers? trick of covering them with duct tape, the silver foil type with the peel off backing. My balancer gives me choices for static or dynamic balance locations but mostly use static around the inside center of the rim width. Not an original idea. SASCO Motorsports, from whom I purchase my race tires, does them this way. I do this on alloy, steel and wire wheels. I do first clean the surface where the weights will go. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 8:14?AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: >>> >> ?Great hive mind... >> >> I am having some issues with wheel weights staying on. I'm using new weights meant for allow wheels, and I'm having a hard time getting the weight on the rim and staying there. >> >> Is there a trick to this that I'm missing? I never had problems with steel rims and weights. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Moose_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 08:46:08 2024 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 10:46:08 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Recommendations for selling some electrical equipment In-Reply-To: <530554564.4950698.1718192629744@mail.yahoo.com> References: <530554564.4950698.1718192629744.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <530554564.4950698.1718192629744@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Depending on brand, age, and condition, a local electrical contractor may be interested. Our commercial/industrial contractor had all sorts of temporary equipment made up of used or demoed stuff. On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, 08:00 DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Good morning. We are cleaning up and would like to move some > no-longer-used electrical stuff. I am looking for recommendations for > resellers who deal in this wort of stuff. > > We have: > - 45KVA three-phase transformer, 480 - 208 delta - wye > - Disconnect switch > - Breaker panel > - Safety switch > - Misc breakers and conduit fittings. > > We could recycle these but I'd hate to break up a perfectly good > transformer. I would appreciate it if anyone has a recommendation on who > to contact. > > Thanks > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 09:19:42 2024 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 08:19:42 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Recommendations for selling some electrical equipment In-Reply-To: References: <530554564.4950698.1718192629744.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <530554564.4950698.1718192629744@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You might want to try Facebook Marketplace. It is free, has local settings for pickup, and many people are watching it now so you might get the right person to buy it as a set. On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:01?AM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Depending on brand, age, and condition, a local electrical contractor may > be interested. Our commercial/industrial contractor had all sorts of > temporary equipment made up of used or demoed stuff. > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, 08:00 DAVID MASSEY wrote: > >> Good morning. We are cleaning up and would like to move some >> no-longer-used electrical stuff. I am looking for recommendations for >> resellers who deal in this wort of stuff. >> >> We have: >> - 45KVA three-phase transformer, 480 - 208 delta - wye >> - Disconnect switch >> - Breaker panel >> - Safety switch >> - Misc breakers and conduit fittings. >> >> We could recycle these but I'd hate to break up a perfectly good >> transformer. I would appreciate it if anyone has a recommendation on who >> to contact. >> >> Thanks >> >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.f.juhas at snet.net Wed Jun 12 15:31:13 2024 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:31:13 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Wheel balancing In-Reply-To: <521C207D-137C-4A95-9676-4D3CADAF1B15@comcast.net> References: <521C207D-137C-4A95-9676-4D3CADAF1B15@comcast.net> Message-ID: Don?t know why that would be. I have had great success with them on wires. A friend with a TD was having problems getting his wire wheels properly balanced with various vendors. Their problems could have been from not understanding how wire wheels mount on a hub. Regardless, the stick on weights did the trick. The only problem I could envision is clearance between the brakes and wheels, or concours and originality concerns. Wires should probably use those weights that clamp on the spokes.My friend George just wanted the steering wheel to stop shaking. We made it absolutely steady. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2024, at 10:35?AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: > > ?Last time I had wire wheels balanced the tech told me that stick on weights should only be used on alloy wheels. > Bob > ?72 TR6 > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 9:11?AM, Jim Juhas wrote: >>> >> ?I exclusively use stick-on weights on the inside of the wheel, and use the racers? trick of covering them with duct tape, the silver foil type with the peel off backing. My balancer gives me choices for static or dynamic balance locations but mostly use static around the inside center of the rim width. Not an original idea. SASCO Motorsports, from whom I purchase my race tires, does them this way. I do this on alloy, steel and wire wheels. I do first clean the surface where the weights will go. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 8:14?AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: >>>> >>> ?Great hive mind... >>> >>> I am having some issues with wheel weights staying on. I'm using new weights meant for allow wheels, and I'm having a hard time getting the weight on the rim and staying there. >>> >>> Is there a trick to this that I'm missing? I never had problems with steel rims and weights. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Moose_______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 16:25:18 2024 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:25:18 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Wheel balancing In-Reply-To: References: <521C207D-137C-4A95-9676-4D3CADAF1B15@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have had great results for my wire wheeled MG TF and Lotus Eleven with these weights using a generic bubble balancer, but I do not see why the stick-on strip weights would not work. The clip on weights do place the weight further out on the wheel and it seems as though it requires less weight to balance a wheel as a result.. https://www.amazon.com/ref=navm_hdr_prmlogo_prime Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jim Juhas Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 2:31:13 PM To: Robert Rochlin Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wheel balancing Don?t know why that would be. I have had great success with them on wires. A friend with a TD was having problems getting his wire wheels properly balanced with various vendors. Their problems could have been from not understanding how wire wheels mount on a hub. Regardless, the stick on weights did the trick. The only problem I could envision is clearance between the brakes and wheels, or concours and originality concerns. Wires should probably use those weights that clamp on the spokes.My friend George just wanted the steering wheel to stop shaking. We made it absolutely steady. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2024, at 10:35?AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: ?Last time I had wire wheels balanced the tech told me that stick on weights should only be used on alloy wheels. Bob ?72 TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2024, at 9:11?AM, Jim Juhas wrote: ?I exclusively use stick-on weights on the inside of the wheel, and use the racers? trick of covering them with duct tape, the silver foil type with the peel off backing. My balancer gives me choices for static or dynamic balance locations but mostly use static around the inside center of the rim width. Not an original idea. SASCO Motorsports, from whom I purchase my race tires, does them this way. I do this on alloy, steel and wire wheels. I do first clean the surface where the weights will go. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2024, at 8:14?AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: ?Great hive mind... I am having some issues with wheel weights staying on. I'm using new weights meant for allow wheels, and I'm having a hard time getting the weight on the rim and staying there. Is there a trick to this that I'm missing? I never had problems with steel rims and weights. Thanks. Moose_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 19:39:03 2024 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 20:39:03 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Wheel balancing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Jun 12, 2024, at 07:25, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?Great hive mind... > > I am having some issues with wheel weights staying on. I'm using new weights meant for allow wheels, and I'm having a hard time getting the weight on the rim and staying there. > > Is there a trick to this that I'm missing? I never had problems with steel rims and weights. It?s been a long time since I got out of the tire business, but even 20 years ago, there were a lot of different alloy rim weight styles, for different profiles of wheels. I expect it?s more complicated now. Are you using the right one? I second the recommendation for stick on weights. 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We are cleaning up and would like to move some no-longer-used electrical stuff.? I am looking for recommendations for resellers who deal in this wort of stuff. We have:- 45KVA three-phase transformer, 480 - 208 delta - wye - Disconnect switch- Breaker panel- Safety switch- Misc breakers and conduit fittings. We could recycle these but I'd hate to break up a perfectly good transformer.? I would appreciate it if anyone has a recommendation on who to contact. Thanks Dave _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 13 06:31:17 2024 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 12:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Recommendations for selling some electrical equipment In-Reply-To: References: <530554564.4950698.1718192629744.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <530554564.4950698.1718192629744@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1886389405.5443454.1718281877983@mail.yahoo.com> I guess you can buy anything on facebook. Thanks. Dave On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 10:19:55 AM CDT, old dirtbeard wrote: You might want to try Facebook Marketplace. It is free, has local settings for pickup, and many people are watching it now so you might get the right person to buy it as a set. On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:01?AM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: Depending on brand, age, and condition, a local electrical contractor may be interested.? Our commercial/industrial contractor had all sorts of temporary equipment made up of used or demoed stuff. On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, 08:00 DAVID MASSEY wrote: Good morning.? We are cleaning up and would like to move some no-longer-used electrical stuff.? I am looking for recommendations for resellers who deal in this wort of stuff. We have:- 45KVA three-phase transformer, 480 - 208 delta - wye - Disconnect switch- Breaker panel- Safety switch- Misc breakers and conduit fittings. We could recycle these but I'd hate to break up a perfectly good transformer.? I would appreciate it if anyone has a recommendation on who to contact. 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