From jniolon at att.net  Fri Jul  5 10:20:38 2024
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 11:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h.ref@johns-desktop>
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shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.
 
I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Fri Jul  5 20:02:14 2024
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
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I?ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartphones. Only time I?ve had trouble is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time. 

Peace, Pat
Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?
shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.
 
I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 
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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 21:07:45 2024
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 03:07:45 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <0CA7C13B-1E1E-4525-A0F6-E2773C82CADD@icloud.com>
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You also can use the password managers on your browser as they are easy and free.

The Chrome PW manager has had some known security weaknesses, but MS Edge is quite robust and I use it for most websites other than for my financial sites which I manage offline.

Best,

Doug
mobile
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com>
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02:14 PM
To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

I?ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartphones. Only time I?ve had trouble is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time.

Peace, Pat
Pat Horne
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?
shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.

I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...

I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use

recommendations ??

john

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From phoenix722 at comcast.net  Fri Jul  5 21:11:38 2024
From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 20:11:38 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
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I've been using Dashlane for awhile and it works fine.? It connects with 
a phone, too, altho my phone is too old (as am I).

Mike

On 7/5/24 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote:
> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on 
> my pc.
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder 
> to use
> recommendations ??
> john
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Jul  5 22:15:59 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:15:59 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h.ref@johns-desktop>
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Message-ID: <6967db0a-92fe-4cb1-8ab1-e8d8f3511f1f@comcast.net>

As a heads-up, the upcoming standard for online security is/is going to 
be passkeys. I haven't completely wrapped my head around the technology, 
but the gist is a) the passkey is linked to a website, and should 
prevent logging into a spoofed/counterfeit site and b) it's secure, 
encrypted and uses a public/private key exchange. After the passkey is 
established your facescan, fingerprint or passcode would be sufficient 
to log onto enabled sites.

It's already available on some Microsoft, Apple and Google hardware 
(probably others). Note I'm not advocating for this--at least not until 
I totally understand it--but it's coming. Note also that there has been 
a new password hack; supposedly 10 billion passwords are available in 
cleartext for anybody that wants them (for a price, I presume).

https://safety.google/authentication/passkey/

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/nearly-10-billion-passwords-stolen-by-hackers-how-to-protect-yourself


On 7/5/2024 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote:
> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on 
> my pc.
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder 
> to use
> recommendations ??
> john
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 23:06:58 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <494501dacf62$549ad9b0$fdd08d10$@gmail.com>

I use BitWarden, which I find fairly easy to use. It will store passwords, other sensitive info and passkeys (when and especially IF they ever gain traction beyond the walled gardens various companies have set up). 

 

I used LastPass for many years, but they were hacked and refused to come clean about it. Then they were hacked again and a copy of everyone?s password vaults were lost ? all the while the company again refused to come clean until independent security researchers outed them. That wouldn?t be so bad **IF** there had been robust encryption protecting them on the server side, but alas? People?s vaults have been decrypted ? starting with the high-value accounts like crypto-currency wallets, etc ? leading to massive losses for those folks and massive waste of time for the rest of us who had to go through our logins and change the passwords again. I currently have 485 logins and 100 secure notes in my vault, and shudder to think about having to go in and try to reset any substantial portion of them. Again.

 

Either way, using any of the major password managers to generate long, strong passwords is way, way better than using passwords you can remember!

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of john niolon
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 9:21 AM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

 

shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.

 

I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...

 

I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use

 

recommendations ??

 

john

 

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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 23:08:19 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <0CA7C13B-1E1E-4525-A0F6-E2773C82CADD@icloud.com>
References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
 <0CA7C13B-1E1E-4525-A0F6-E2773C82CADD@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <497101dacf62$84f90d70$8eeb2850$@gmail.com>

John ? you mention a tool inventory? Do you use a particular database or other program for the inventory?

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Pat Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

 

I?ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartphones. Only time I?ve had trouble is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time. 

 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 

We support Habitat for Humanity

 


On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net <mailto:jniolon at att.net> > wrote:

? 

shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.

 

I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...

 

I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use

 

recommendations ??

 

john

 

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From jniolon at att.net  Sat Jul  6 06:15:47 2024
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 07:15:47 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <497101dacf62$84f90d70$8eeb2850$@gmail.com>
References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
 <0CA7C13B-1E1E-4525-A0F6-E2773C82CADD@icloud.com>
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Hi Al... my inventory is video and still pics as well as a Word document 
listing each one (a table). Reminds me I need to update it as 
I've
sold some and given some away to younger relatives.
john
 
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From: <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
To: 'Pat 
Horne' <patintexas at icloud.com>, 'john niolon' <jniolon at att.net>
Cc: 'shop-talk' <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 7/6/2024 12:08:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software



John ? you mention a tool inventory? Do you use a particular database or other program for the inventory?
 
-----------------------------------
All the best,
 
Al Fuller
 
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Pat Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
 
I?ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartphones. Only time I?ve had trouble is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time. 
 
Peace, Pat
Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity
 

On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
? 
shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.
 
I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 09:18:29 2024
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:18:29 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
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I approach it a little differently.  Instead of a password manager, I have
a.system of creating passwords that combines a common feature with a series
of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the site itself.   This, I
can always reconstruct the password in my head based on the system.  I keep
a list hidden just in case the method fails, it my heirs need to log into
something.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my
> pc.
>
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to
> use
>
> recommendations ??
>
> john
>
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From shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org  Sat Jul  6 09:19:49 2024
From: shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org (Ian McFetridge)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:19:49 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
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References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
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Message-ID: <CAFnfnRWw4U3WF23fPOLQgpUf76V6egoE=obyrK96wbmXiq7v6g@mail.gmail.com>

The cybersecurity guys I worked with suggested Keeper Security because it
is a zero knowledge technology (explanation below), which makes it much
harder to steal passwords.  I?ve used it for a few years without issue.

https://www.keepersecurity.com/resources/zero-knowledge-for-ultimate-password-security.html

- Ian



>
> On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my
> pc.
>
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to
> use
>
> recommendations ??
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 10:27:01 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 09:27:01 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <1UhYyp0PCx.631YXCOFrkO@johns-desktop>
References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop>
 <0CA7C13B-1E1E-4525-A0F6-E2773C82CADD@icloud.com>
 <497101dacf62$84f90d70$8eeb2850$@gmail.com>
 <1UhYyp0PCx.631YXCOFrkO@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <4a6501dacfc1$552f1e40$ff8d5ac0$@gmail.com>

Same here ? I suspect most of us are using the same basic process!

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: john niolon <jniolon at att.net> 
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 5:16 AM
To: alfuller194 at gmail.com; shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

 

Hi Al... my inventory is video and still pics as well as a Word document listing each one (a table). Reminds me I need to update it as I've

sold some and given some away to younger relatives.

john

 

----- Original Message -----

From: <alfuller194 at gmail.com <mailto:alfuller194 at gmail.com> >

To: 'Pat Horne' <patintexas at icloud.com <mailto:patintexas at icloud.com> >, 'john niolon' <jniolon at att.net <mailto:jniolon at att.net> >

Cc: 'shop-talk' <shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net> >

Sent: 7/6/2024 12:08:19 AM

Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

  _____  

John ? you mention a tool inventory? Do you use a particular database or other program for the inventory?

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Pat Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net <mailto:jniolon at att.net> >
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

 

I?ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartphones. Only time I?ve had trouble is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time. 

 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 

We support Habitat for Humanity

 


On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net <mailto:jniolon at att.net> > wrote:

? 

shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.

 

I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...

 

I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use

 

recommendations ??

 

john

 

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From jhassall at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 10:33:57 2024
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 12:33:57 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CM+GAKxzrZQxF84Uhch-2YA7JM=SP5YxxRsN13rwHZPpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 for Jeff?s suggestion. I am transitioning from KeePass (excellent pw manager) to a system used by Google employees. Create a sentence you?ll remember, select the leading letters of each word, add a special character as the string terminator. Then for each pw required, add characters unique/meaningful for that site. You still have to remember the site-specific characters tho.  

?
jim    W4BEA
Fat-thumbed from my iPhone7

> On Jul 6, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I approach it a little differently.  Instead of a password manager, I have a.system of creating passwords that combines a common feature with a series of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the site itself.   This, I can always reconstruct the password in my head based on the system.  I keep a list hidden just in case the method fails, it my heirs need to log into something.
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.
>>  
>> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>>  
>> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use
>>  
>> recommendations ??
>>  
>> john
>>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Jul  6 13:27:42 2024
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 14:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
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From dhlocker at protonmail.com  Sat Jul  6 18:16:29 2024
From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2024 00:16:29 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
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Hello, John.

I use KeePass ([keepass.info](https://keepass.info/)) on my laptop running Ubuntu 18.04; it's also available for Apple and Micrisoft operating systems. Very easy to set up; good security (if you use a good password for the database file); easy to use; room for notes as well as login id, password, associated websites, and a very good password generator.

HTH,
Donald.

On 2024-07-05 12:20, john niolon wrote:

> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.
>
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use
>
> recommendations ??
>
> john
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 07:56:05 2024
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 09:56:05 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CPygADWm_DFvaW6Dt8u13MP-H4CzbbWSt4oPWouruMMMw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.

The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
for the dust.

My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
(specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
occupy the space the next day.

So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who can
relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as shop
talkers?

TIA, Jeff...
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From eric at megageek.com  Sun Jul  7 08:43:51 2024
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:43:51 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
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Last year I was looking into this.  I had a professional service (with a 
TON of great recommendations, some from people I know well.)  Give me a 
price.

I was only going to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would 
do was 25X 50'.

Any color, add in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would 
fix all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I 
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day 
or three.)

Total price was $6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will 
come back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so 
after.

I'm still considering it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see 
what the wisdom here has to say.

Moose



From:   Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
To:     "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   07/07/2024 10:01 AM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some 
fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up 
dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.

The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing 
crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, 
except for the dust.

My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a 
professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to 
the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers 
(specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE 
and occupy the space the next day.  

So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who 
can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as 
shop talkers?

TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________

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From shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org  Sun Jul  7 10:30:13 2024
From: shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org (Ian McFetridge)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:30:13 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
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I can say the consumer stuff, Rustoleum epoxy, is likely only good for
light use or a man cave.  I coated a 3 car new garage after six months of
seasoning and just doing the acid (citric) wash prep, it lasted for the
five years we were in the house, but had two issues: 1) hot racing tires
would pull up quarter size areas, never had an issue with regular tires.
 2) high shear, like like sliding a transmission, would think the coating.



On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 10:57 AM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> Last year I was looking into this.  I had a professional service (with a
> TON of great recommendations, some from people I know well.)  Give me a
> price.
>
> I was only going to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would
> do was 25X 50'.
>
> Any color, add in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would
> fix all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I
> forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day or
> three.)
>
> Total price was $6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will
> come back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so
> after.
>
> I'm still considering it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see
> what the wisdom here has to say.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To:        "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date:        07/07/2024 10:01 AM
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
>
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
> for the dust.
>
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
> occupy the space the next day.
>
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
>
> TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________
>
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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 10:40:47 2024
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 09:40:47 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
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I faced a similar decision, researched many of the treatments and
ultimately went with floor tiles and am attaching the link here:
Advantages I saw were:

   1. Very little prep
   2. Not toxic
   3. Very easy for one man to install, easy to cut the tiles to shape
   4. Improve the acoustics of the garage
   5. Can do parts of the garage/shop at a time, do not need to clear out
   the entire shop for several days
   6. Softer, easy on the knees
   7. Things do not break if dropped
   8. Easy to spot-fix (just replace the tile)
   9. Attractive, hides all of the stains and surface damage

After about ten years of having them down, I have not had to remove or
repair any of them.

I went with the diamond pattern where the cars park and the levant pattern
where I stand and work. I did it because I thought the diamond pattern
would be good for the car tires but would be hard on the knees if kneeling
(the diamond pattern can be felt on your knee caps when kneeling--not
horrible, but noticeable)

If I had a do over, I would use the diamond pattern everywhere as the
levant pattern is porous and is more difficult to keep clean.

I went with the 24" squares as it goes down faster and has fewer joints to
collect dirt.

FWIW

Peel & Stick Garage Tiles and Garage Floor Tiles by American Floor Mats
<https://www.americanfloormats.com/peel-and-stick-garage-tiles/>


On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:03?AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
>
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
> for the dust.
>
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
> occupy the space the next day.
>
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
>
> TIA, Jeff...
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 11:05:44 2024
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 13:05:44 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
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My area is about half yours, and.so around $3000.  Similar in cost to
RaceDeck or the peel and stick noted elsewhere in this thread.

I feel like a good epoxy coating would hold up to floor jacks and toolbox
wheels, etc.  I'm not sure about RaceDeck.

The idea of doing it on my own is attractive, but I'm less inclined these
days.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024, 10:43 <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> Last year I was looking into this.  I had a professional service (with a
> TON of great recommendations, some from people I know well.)  Give me a
> price.
>
> I was only going to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would
> do was 25X 50'.
>
> Any color, add in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would
> fix all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I
> forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day or
> three.)
>
> Total price was $6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will
> come back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so
> after.
>
> I'm still considering it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see
> what the wisdom here has to say.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To:        "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date:        07/07/2024 10:01 AM
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
>
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
> for the dust.
>
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
> occupy the space the next day.
>
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
>
> TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Sun Jul  7 14:51:29 2024
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 16:51:29 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
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Jeff,
	About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part epoxy garage coating.  I spent days preparing  the floor, including grinding with a Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the newer (4 year) old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section of the garage the coating has lifted, mostly  along the walls.  It looks like calcification from below the floor in those sections.  I spent a lot of labor intensive time and money with mixed results.  In hindsight I think a professional floor finisher would have anticipated the problems and the floor would have been much better.  All that being said, the garage is not dusty and it's easy to clean off oil, brake fluid, antifreeze, and blood.
Best,
Bob

> On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56?AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
> 
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except for the dust.
> 
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.  
> 
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?
> 
> TIA, Jeff...
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From JIBrooks at live.com  Sun Jul  7 17:17:48 2024
From: JIBrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 23:17:48 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
In-Reply-To: <D9A6DE27-D847-45B2-9089-788C613BFBEB@comcast.net>
References: <CAO8Q7CPygADWm_DFvaW6Dt8u13MP-H4CzbbWSt4oPWouruMMMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CH3PR11MB809383909E18461D8E6B092BA8D92@CH3PR11MB8093.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Bob,

The key likely was the diamond floor grinder.  If there were oils in the floor, they would need to be removed too.

I spent a year with Stonhard back in the late 90's, so my data is a little stale..... They are/were one of the east coast leaders in installed commercial epoxy flooring. The concrete must be dry, preferably with a moisture barrier and they always used diamond grinders to open up the pores of the concrete so the epoxy, which makes a mechanical bond with the concrete, had something to bond to.

I've toyed with doing the floors in my garage, but never seem to get the motivation to proceed with it. It would help with my older British car drippings.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert Rochlin
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 1:51 PM
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment

Jeff,
	About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part epoxy garage coating.  I spent days preparing  the floor, including grinding with a Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the newer (4 year) old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section of the garage the coating has lifted, mostly  along the walls.  It looks like calcification from below the floor in those sections.  I spent a lot of labor intensive time and money with mixed results.  In hindsight I think a professional floor finisher would have anticipated the problems and the floor would have been much better.  All that being said, the garage is not dusty and it's easy to clean off oil, brake fluid, antifreeze, and blood.
Best,
Bob

> On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56?AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
> 
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except for the dust.
> 
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.  
> 
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?
> 
> TIA, Jeff...
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From watsonm05 at comcast.net  Sun Jul  7 17:29:52 2024
From: watsonm05 at comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:29:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
In-Reply-To: <D9A6DE27-D847-45B2-9089-788C613BFBEB@comcast.net>
References: <CAO8Q7CPygADWm_DFvaW6Dt8u13MP-H4CzbbWSt4oPWouruMMMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D9A6DE27-D847-45B2-9089-788C613BFBEB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1688702447.1943251.1720394992989@connect.xfinity.com>

Jeff,

Loved this: "... and it's easy to clean off ... ***and blood***.

Mark
> On 07/07/2024 4:51 PM EDT Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Jeff,
> 	About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part epoxy garage coating.  I spent days preparing  the floor, including grinding with a Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the newer (4 year) old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section of the garage the coating has lifted, mostly  along the walls.  It looks like calcification from below the floor in those sections.  I spent a lot of labor intensive time and money with mixed results.  In hindsight I think a professional floor finisher would have anticipated the problems and the floor would have been much better.  All that being said, the garage is not dusty and it's easy to clean off oil, brake fluid, antifreeze, and blood.
> Best,
> Bob
> 
> > On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56?AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
> > 
> > The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except for the dust.
> > 
> > My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.  
> > 
> > So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?
> > 
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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 17:32:54 2024
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 16:32:54 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
In-Reply-To: <D9A6DE27-D847-45B2-9089-788C613BFBEB@comcast.net>
References: <CAO8Q7CPygADWm_DFvaW6Dt8u13MP-H4CzbbWSt4oPWouruMMMw@mail.gmail.com>
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I like that part of "and blood" regarding the ease of clean-up ;-)

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:36?PM Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:

> Jeff,
>         About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part epoxy garage
> coating.  I spent days preparing  the floor, including grinding with a
> Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the newer (4 year)
> old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section of the garage the
> coating has lifted, mostly  along the walls.  It looks like calcification
> from below the floor in those sections.  I spent a lot of labor intensive
> time and money with mixed results.  In hindsight I think a professional
> floor finisher would have anticipated the problems and the floor would have
> been much better.  All that being said, the garage is not dusty and it's
> easy to clean off oil, brake fluid, antifreeze, and blood.
> Best,
> Bob
>
> > On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56?AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
> >
> > The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
> for the dust.
> >
> > My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
> occupy the space the next day.
> >
> > So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
> >
> > TIA, Jeff...
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From peterwmurray at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 09:29:21 2024
From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 11:29:21 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
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References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h.ref@johns-desktop>
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Sorry to arrive late to this discussion, but it's been a busy summer!

In my opinion as an IT/security engineer, password managers are mandatory.
It's a perfect example of "Never send a man to do a machine's job." Our
brains aren't adapted to randomness, which is needed with good security
practice.

I also used LastPass for years (they had a "free" version that made them
attractive, but it also made them a big target).As explained earlier, they
failed to keep the trust of their users by not disclosing their breaches,
so I've migrated from them to 1Password. I've been very happy with it, and
have found it highly reliable.
I don't like using the browser password managers, as I haven't found them
to be sufficiently secure. 1Password does handle Passkeys as well. It also
reminds you to update passwords that have been exposed in a breach, and has
a very good password generator.
I've looked at BitWarden (they have a self-hosted version), but haven't had
enough time to give it a run through.

-Peter

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:30?PM Donald H Locker <dhlocker at protonmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello, John.
>
> I use KeePass (keepass.info) on my laptop running Ubuntu 18.04; it's also
> available for Apple and Micrisoft operating systems. Very easy to set up;
> good security (if you use a good password for the database file); easy to
> use; room for notes as well as login id, password, associated websites, and
> a very good password generator.
>
> HTH,
> Donald.
> On 2024-07-05 12:20, john niolon wrote:
>
> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my
> pc.
>
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to
> use
>
> recommendations ??
>
> john
>
>
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