From jniolon at att.net Fri May 5 16:21:25 2023 From: jniolon at att.net (john) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 17:21:25 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] deck cover References: <1UefO5E0Kp.lPTPMKzvTPb.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UefO5E0Kp.lPTPMKzvTPb@johns-desktop> I'm looking for a less expensive way to cover a deck (other than a stick built roof $$$$$$) deck is only 12x12... and under oak trees that keep it stained black from the sap or tannins....I don't want some canopy that will blow around or rot down in a year or two Here is what I'm looking at and with some frame mods (because of the railings on the deck) it can work . Ignore the vehicles and the concrete. anyone do anything like this before... Think I'm thinking wrong ?? It can be secured to the deck structure not just the deck boards Forum content... I will use multiple tools installing this john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And yes, I may it much harder by building this on a slope. Moose. VersaTube Building Systems 50 Eastley St Collierville, TN 38017 United States -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20220719_140204.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6301606 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jniolon at att.net Sat May 6 06:57:28 2023 From: jniolon at att.net (john) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 07:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] deck cover In-Reply-To: <117C76D2-F1B5-47FD-8E67-9B59611D903C@icloud.com> References: <1UefO5E0Kp.lPTPMKzvTPb@johns-desktop> <117C76D2-F1B5-47FD-8E67-9B59611D903C@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1UefP4NQhV.n7BDjHSKwrj@johns-desktop> Thanks Pat, I'm in Alabama and we have snow load concerns once a century.. If we get a dusting of snow the state goes berserk. I think it's rated for 5# per sf. Wind ?? I'm not sure, but I'd have a bigger problem with a cloth canopy. We do get some strong storm winds 30-50 mph sometimes Often enough that our local expert weatherman James Spann has named a new state bird john ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Horne To: john Sent: 5/6/2023 7:25:18 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] deck cover We see this type of cover quite often here in Texas & metal roofs are quite common. The main concern that I?d have is to have it engineered for wind load. I don?t remember where you are located but snow load may be a consideration. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 6, 2023, at 2:02 AM, john wrote: ? I'm looking for a less expensive way to cover a deck (other than a stick built roof $$$$$$) deck is only 12x12... and under oak trees that keep it stained black from the sap or tannins....I don't want some canopy that will blow around or rot down in a year or two Here is what I'm looking at and with some frame mods (because of the railings on the deck) it can work . Ignore the vehicles and the concrete. <12x12x8_4.5OC_2x3_Carport_Pinnacle_Elevated_Front_9.jpg> <12x12x8_4.5OC_2x3_Carport_Pinnacle_Front_9 (1).jpg> anyone do anything like this before... Think I'm thinking wrong ?? It can be secured to the deck structure not just the deck boards Forum content... I will use multiple tools installing this john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop- talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob From fishplate at gmail.com Sun May 7 15:16:57 2023 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 17:16:57 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Sun distributor machiine In-Reply-To: <7acc10d2-9baa-be5c-ea75-e24d259324af@comcast.net> References: <7acc10d2-9baa-be5c-ea75-e24d259324af@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'd take it just because they are hard to find. Then I'd decide if I really need it or not. On Sun, May 7, 2023, 16:50 Bob Spidell wrote: > Neighbor who's moving has one of these sitting in the corner of his shop > (his late father owned it). He's offered it to me, but I don't know much > about them and whether they'd be worth the trouble to a) learn how to > use it or b) sell it. I do have 2 cars with distributors, but they're > running well enough. > > Thoughts? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sun May 7 19:04:32 2023 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 20:04:32 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Sun distributor machiine In-Reply-To: <7acc10d2-9baa-be5c-ea75-e24d259324af@comcast.net> References: <7acc10d2-9baa-be5c-ea75-e24d259324af@comcast.net> Message-ID: <874D89DC-EAA9-4546-9C7E-B23C1998CA73@icloud.com> Bob, I?ll be watching the replies. I have a tendency to pick up old equipment, then realize that there is newer & better equipment out there that would have been a better purchase, or it is something that I?ve always wanted but in the future I won?t use it enough to make it worthwhile. As far as a distributor machine goes, in the 60 years that I?ve played with cars I used one twice & that was in the early 70s. It is generally used when doing bench repair & not something you use during a tuneup-at least that?s how i see it. With distributors being a thing from the past it is probably something that isn?t something that you could sell easily but you never know. The decision is yours. If it?s free or cheap & you have the room for it, then pick it up. At a minimum it will be a cool antique while at the best it will be a tool that you don?t have that will be useful. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 7, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: ?Neighbor who's moving has one of these sitting in the corner of his shop (his late father owned it). He's offered it to me, but I don't know much about them and whether they'd be worth the trouble to a) learn how to use it or b) sell it. I do have 2 cars with distributors, but they're running well enough. Thoughts? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sun May 7 21:06:59 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 03:06:59 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Sun distributor machiine In-Reply-To: References: <7acc10d2-9baa-be5c-ea75-e24d259324af@comcast.net> Message-ID: Should be worth $600-$900 from what I see on eBay. Here's a short write up on why you might want one: https://www.ctci.org/gilsgarage/sun-distributor-machine-the-ultimate-tool/ Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2023 2:16:57 PM To: Bob Spidell ; shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sun distributor machiine I'd take it just because they are hard to find. Then I'd decide if I really need it or not. On Sun, May 7, 2023, 16:50 Bob Spidell > wrote: Neighbor who's moving has one of these sitting in the corner of his shop (his late father owned it). He's offered it to me, but I don't know much about them and whether they'd be worth the trouble to a) learn how to use it or b) sell it. I do have 2 cars with distributors, but they're running well enough. Thoughts? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Thu May 11 13:40:04 2023 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 19:40:04 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] reconstitute sweeping compound? Message-ID: I've only ever been able to find it around here in big arse bags and it dries out long before I ever finish a bag. Dried out makes it totally worthless. When new it is slightly oily, right? Any thoughts on how I can reconstitute it (for lack of a better term)? thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Tim .) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 19:40:04 +0000 > From: "Tim ." > To: "Shop Talk" > Subject: [Shop-talk] reconstitute sweeping compound? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've only ever been able to find it around here in big arse bags and it dries out long before I ever finish a bag. Dried out makes it totally worthless. When new it is slightly oily, right? > > Any thoughts on how I can reconstitute it (for lack of a better term)? > > thanks > > > From lee at automate-it.com Wed May 17 12:29:20 2023 From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 13:29:20 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Which hose for compressed air (reel)? Message-ID: <4bec6f9b5dbc2c7e3ca0d063ebf1c7a4@automate-it.com> I need to replace the hose in my air-hose reel - 3/8", 50-ft. I don't mind paying for good quality but no need to over-spend either. There appear to be materials options: rubber (or 'heavy-duty' rubber), pvc, 'hybrid', and whatever 'flexzilla' is. Suggestions? What to avoid? Here are some of the options I see: https://is.gd/XwKKjX Home Depot https://is.gd/LTVegu Harbor Freight https://is.gd/ppaDT1 Amazon Thanks! Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed May 17 13:31:14 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 12:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Which hose for compressed air (reel)? In-Reply-To: <4bec6f9b5dbc2c7e3ca0d063ebf1c7a4@automate-it.com> References: <4bec6f9b5dbc2c7e3ca0d063ebf1c7a4@automate-it.com> Message-ID: Goodyear rubber is my go-to. On 5/17/2023 11:29 AM, lee at automate-it.com wrote: > I need to replace the hose in my air-hose reel - 3/8", 50-ft. I don't > mind paying for good quality but no need to over-spend either. There > appear to be materials options: rubber (or 'heavy-duty' rubber), pvc, > 'hybrid', and whatever 'flexzilla' is. Suggestions? What to avoid? > Here are some of the options I see: > https://is.gd/XwKKjX Home Depot > https://is.gd/LTVegu Harbor Freight > https://is.gd/ppaDT1 Amazon > Thanks! > ?Lee > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Wed May 17 13:49:10 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 12:49:10 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Which hose for compressed air (reel)? In-Reply-To: References: <4bec6f9b5dbc2c7e3ca0d063ebf1c7a4@automate-it.com> Message-ID: I will second Bob's recommendation. I have some 30 year-old Goodyear hoses that still have not cracked or rotted. On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 12:39?PM Bob Spidell wrote: > Goodyear rubber is my go-to. > > > On 5/17/2023 11:29 AM, lee at automate-it.com wrote: > > I need to replace the hose in my air-hose reel - 3/8", 50-ft. I don't mind > paying for good quality but no need to over-spend either. There appear to > be materials options: rubber (or 'heavy-duty' rubber), pvc, 'hybrid', and > whatever 'flexzilla' is. Suggestions? What to avoid? Here are some of the > options I see: > https://is.gd/XwKKjX Home Depot > https://is.gd/LTVegu Harbor Freight > https://is.gd/ppaDT1 Amazon > > Thanks! > Lee > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I like to use the Parker Jiffy hose or equivalent. You can find it at your local industrial hose and hydraulic dealer. Alternative Hose or Fluid & Motion Control Products are the dealers around here. It is high quality and lasts forever. You have to get the special fittings that go with it to complete the hose, but I like that they don't require hose clamps. Just puch them into the hose and the hose grips them like a Chinese finger puzzle. https://ph.parker.com/us/en/product-list/push-on-multipurpose-oil-resistant-air-water-hose-jiffy-series-7212 Brian Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of old dirtbeard Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 1:49 PM To: Bob Spidell Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Which hose for compressed air (reel)? I will second Bob's recommendation. I have some 30 year-old Goodyear hoses that still have not cracked or rotted. On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 12:39?PM Bob Spidell > wrote: Goodyear rubber is my go-to. On 5/17/2023 11:29 AM, lee at automate-it.com wrote: I need to replace the hose in my air-hose reel - 3/8", 50-ft. I don't mind paying for good quality but no need to over-spend either. There appear to be materials options: rubber (or 'heavy-duty' rubber), pvc, 'hybrid', and whatever 'flexzilla' is. Suggestions? What to avoid? Here are some of the options I see: https://is.gd/XwKKjX Home Depot https://is.gd/LTVegu Harbor Freight https://is.gd/ppaDT1 Amazon Thanks! Lee _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stearman809 at gmail.com Wed May 17 15:11:51 2023 From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 16:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Which hose for compressed air (reel)? In-Reply-To: References: <4bec6f9b5dbc2c7e3ca0d063ebf1c7a4@automate-it.com>

Message-ID: <1882b8e11d8.2805.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com> Can't say what brand these are, but when I first worked for Binks in 1971, I bought (2) 25' lengths of red rubber jacket 5/16 air hose. They've been through every form of mistreatment and neglect I could do to them, hundreds of painting etc projects, left outside in all weather, and when not in use are hung on a bracket on the little compressor at the garage door, having spent lots of time in sun, rain, etc. The plated brass end fittings are badly worn from being dropped and dragged across the concrete all that time. Still not one crack, check, etc. on that hose. I don't know what all brands were used in the literally hundreds of hose assemblies we made, but I think all the major US hose manufacturers were represented in the hundred or more reels of hose in the hose bench stock back then. Clearly, today's materials should be superior but from the other hoses I've bought in the past decades, quality isn't like it was. I do have a couple 25' lengths of 3/8" Goodyear air hose, with some cracking near the fittings. Maybe 7 years old. They've had no exposure to rain or solvents. Marked Made in USA, but I did buy them at Horrible Freight. A couple 25' lengths of alleged Michelin 5/16" hose that never left my hangar floor split and actually bubbled the liner out of the cord, in about 2 years. Also Horrible Freight. Emergency purchase to replace that Michelin hose was a 50' 3/8" Flexzilla from Lowes. Incredibly cheap price, and other than being dirty (and that fluorescent color always fades on Flexzilla hoses and cords), it's still in great shape and flexible as ever, maybe 8 years later. Karl On May 17, 2023 3:02:01 PM old dirtbeard wrote: > I will second Bob's recommendation. I have some 30 year-old Goodyear hoses > that still have not cracked or rotted. > > On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 12:39?PM Bob Spidell wrote: > Goodyear rubber is my go-to. > > > > On 5/17/2023 11:29 AM, lee at automate-it.com wrote: >> I need to replace the hose in my air-hose reel - 3/8", 50-ft. I don't mind >> paying for good quality but no need to over-spend either. There appear to >> be materials options: rubber (or 'heavy-duty' rubber), pvc, 'hybrid', and >> whatever 'flexzilla' is. Suggestions? What to avoid? Here are some of the >> options I see: >> https://is.gd/XwKKjX Home Depot >> https://is.gd/LTVegu Harbor Freight >> https://is.gd/ppaDT1 Amazon >> >> Thanks! >> Lee > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > > > -- > Best, > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Wed May 17 17:17:14 2023 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 23:17:14 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Which hose for compressed air (reel)? In-Reply-To: References: <4bec6f9b5dbc2c7e3ca0d063ebf1c7a4@automate-it.com> Message-ID: I bought what I believe is a goodyear hose from horriblefreight at least 10 years ago. It is still totally flexible and uncracked. At the time is was affordable. tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 5/17/2023 11:29 AM, lee at automate-it.com wrote: I need to replace the hose in my air-hose reel - 3/8", 50-ft. I don't mind paying for good quality but no need to over-spend either. There appear to be materials options: rubber (or 'heavy-duty' rubber), pvc, 'hybrid', and whatever 'flexzilla' is. Suggestions? What to avoid? 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Removed it and threw it in the trash. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On 5/17/2023 11:29 AM, lee at automate-it.com wrote: >> I need to replace the hose in my air-hose reel - 3/8", 50-ft. I don't mind paying for good quality but no need to over-spend either. There appear to be materials options: rubber (or 'heavy-duty' rubber), pvc, 'hybrid', and whatever 'flexzilla' is. Suggestions? What to avoid? Here are some of the options I see: >> https://is.gd/XwKKjX Home Depot >> https://is.gd/LTVegu Harbor Freight >> https://is.gd/ppaDT1 Amazon >> >> Thanks! >> Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sat May 27 08:21:32 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sat, 27 May 2023 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint Message-ID: I know this isn?t strictly ?shop talk? - although I could force the issue and say I will store the leftover paint in my shop - but I am not having any luck Googling the topic and am turning to this group in desperation. We recently added some space to our house and I have a fair amount of new ceilings to paint. All new drywall has been, or soon will be, primed. It has been a while since I painted ceilings but I certainly remember how difficult it can be to know what has and has not been fully covered with white paint over white primer. Most manufacturers have color-changing ceiling paint - goes on pink, drys white - which would certainly make the job easier. However, the online reviews of the paint seem to be lower than comparable standard white paint. Moreover, it looks to be difficult to buy the color-changing paint in 5 gallon buckets and the costs would certainly add up if I have to buy it by the gallon. It isn?t a huge difference in the overall scheme of things: it would probity cost about $185 to use the color-changing paint vs. $115 for standard paint. But, I hate to pay more for a lesser product. Does anyone here have any experience/thoughts on the use of color-changing ceiling paint? Is the convenience worth the drawbacks? From stearman809 at gmail.com Sat May 27 08:44:14 2023 From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek) Date: Sat, 27 May 2023 09:44:14 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1885daaca30.2805.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com> Not a professional painter (not even an enthusiastic one), never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express, but... Plenty of light, with the ability to move lights to see the reflection of wet paint, and enough to see the color difference between what's dry and what you're doing now. I use clamp lights - the ones with the big aluminum reflector - and 100W equivalent daylight LED bulbs. Even on a small bedroom I like at least 3 lights to get light everywhere I want it. Karl On May 27, 2023 9:22:52 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > I know this isn?t strictly ?shop talk? - although I could force the issue > and say I will store the leftover paint in my shop - but I am not having > any luck Googling the topic and am turning to this group in desperation. > We recently added some space to our house and I have a fair amount of new > ceilings to paint. All new drywall has been, or soon will be, primed. It > has been a while since I painted ceilings but I certainly remember how > difficult it can be to know what has and has not been fully covered with > white paint over white primer. Most manufacturers have color-changing > ceiling paint - goes on pink, drys white - which would certainly make the > job easier. However, the online reviews of the paint seem to be lower than > comparable standard white paint. Moreover, it looks to be difficult to buy > the color-changing paint in 5 gallon buckets and the costs would certainly > add up if I have to buy it by the gallon. It isn?t a huge difference in > the overall scheme of things: it would probity cost about $185 to use the > color-changing paint vs. $115 for standard paint. But, I hate to pay more > for a lesser product. > > Does anyone here have any experience/thoughts on the use of color-changing > ceiling paint? Is the convenience worth the drawbacks? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat May 27 09:12:54 2023 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 27 May 2023 10:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: <1885daaca30.2805.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com> References: <1885daaca30.2805.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C1FF4C8-D04F-4F38-A7B4-F44A84716E9C@icloud.com> And also plan on at least 2 coats @ right angles so any differences are not as visible. I always use flat paint also. Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 27, 2023, at 9:58 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: ? Not a professional painter (not even an enthusiastic one), never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express, but... Plenty of light, with the ability to move lights to see the reflection of wet paint, and enough to see the color difference between what's dry and what you're doing now. I use clamp lights - the ones with the big aluminum reflector - and 100W equivalent daylight LED bulbs. Even on a small bedroom I like at least 3 lights to get light everywhere I want it. Karl On May 27, 2023 9:22:52 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > I know this isn?t strictly ?shop talk? - although I could force the issue and say I will store the leftover paint in my shop - but I am not having any luck Googling the topic and am turning to this group in desperation. We recently added some space to our house and I have a fair amount of new ceilings to paint. All new drywall has been, or soon will be, primed. It has been a while since I painted ceilings but I certainly remember how difficult it can be to know what has and has not been fully covered with white paint over white primer. Most manufacturers have color-changing ceiling paint - goes on pink, drys white - which would certainly make the job easier. However, the online reviews of the paint seem to be lower than comparable standard white paint. Moreover, it looks to be difficult to buy the color-changing paint in 5 gallon buckets and the costs would certainly add up if I have to buy it by the gallon. It isn?t a huge difference in the overall scheme of things: it would probity cost about $185 to use the color-changing paint vs. $115 for standard paint. But, I hate to pay more for a lesser product. > > Does anyone here have any experience/thoughts on the use of color-changing ceiling paint? Is the convenience worth the drawbacks? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From bk13 at earthlink.net Sat May 27 12:57:14 2023 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Sat, 27 May 2023 11:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've thought of color changing paint as a gimmick and just used this https://www.homedepot.com/p/BEHR-PREMIUM-PLUS-1-gal-52-White-Ceiling-Flat-Interior-Paint-55801/319302149 https://www.homedepot.com/p/BEHR-PREMIUM-PLUS-5-gal-52-White-Ceiling-Flat-Interior-Paint-55805/319303390 I use one coat painting over old paint in good condition or new drywall with good primer.? I used cheap primer once and had to do two coats.? Have bright light at an angle from behind you and you can see coverage pretty well.? I do about a 3x3' area at a time. Brian On 5/27/2023 7:21 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > I know this isn?t strictly ?shop talk? - although I could force the issue and say I will store the leftover paint in my shop - but I am not having any luck Googling the topic and am turning to this group in desperation. We recently added some space to our house and I have a fair amount of new ceilings to paint. All new drywall has been, or soon will be, primed. It has been a while since I painted ceilings but I certainly remember how difficult it can be to know what has and has not been fully covered with white paint over white primer. Most manufacturers have color-changing ceiling paint - goes on pink, drys white - which would certainly make the job easier. However, the online reviews of the paint seem to be lower than comparable standard white paint. Moreover, it looks to be difficult to buy the color-changing paint in 5 gallon buckets and the costs would certainly add up if I have to buy it by the gallon. It isn?t a huge difference in the overall scheme of things: it would probity cost about $185 to use the color-changing paint vs. $115 for standard paint. But, I hate to pay more for a lesser product. > > Does anyone here have any experience/thoughts on the use of color-changing ceiling paint? Is the convenience worth the drawbacks? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > From rrochlin at comcast.net Sat May 27 18:22:14 2023 From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin) Date: Sat, 27 May 2023 14:22:14 -1000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint Message-ID: <3EAE8DB2-C570-4701-B63E-7F374B6CD069@comcast.net> I?ve used the coverage disclosing ceiling paint. It does show you what you?ve missed but has very poor hiding power and requires much more work overall to get a nice consistent finish Sent from my iPhone From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sat May 27 18:57:34 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sat, 27 May 2023 20:57:34 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: <3EAE8DB2-C570-4701-B63E-7F374B6CD069@comcast.net> References: <3EAE8DB2-C570-4701-B63E-7F374B6CD069@comcast.net> Message-ID: <36D4226D-F86A-4F64-923B-CA782C14D204@gmail.com> Thanks guys. I am going to go with the conventional paint. I appreciate the feedback. Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2023, at 8:38 PM, Robert Rochlin wrote: > > ? > I?ve used the coverage disclosing ceiling paint. It does show you what you?ve missed but has very poor hiding power and requires much more work overall to get a nice consistent finish > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > From eric at megageek.com Sun May 28 14:23:52 2023 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 16:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] gear vs bar oil Message-ID: OK great minds of the internets, quick question... I use a lot of bar oil since I cut trees. I have lots of different gear oils that I will most likely not need. In many cases, I needed a few ounces and had to buy a gallon of it. My question is, can I 'mix' some of the gear oil in with the bar oil? If so, what would be a max ratio? I want to use up the gear oil and get rid of these huge containers, but I figure this would be a good way. Any other places I can mix it? I don't think I would try it in hydraulic fluid. So, what's the collective wisdom say here? Thanks. Moose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk13 at earthlink.net Mon May 29 11:46:43 2023 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 10:46:43 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] gear vs bar oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm interested as well, but from a 10w40 perspective leftover from a previous car. >From https://www.oildepot.ca/what-is-the-viscosity-of-bar-and-chain-oil/ and https://www.remodelormove.com/what-viscosity-is-bar-and-chain-oil/ it appears bar oil is about 30W, so my first though was gear oil might be too thick. One quote from the first link: Can Motor Oil Be Used As Bar And Chain Oil? "Can you take a 30-weight motor oil and use it as a bar and chain oil? This is not a good idea. Bar and chain oils have additives called ?tackifiers?. These additives prevent chainsaw oil from flinging off during high-speed operation. The tacky oil clings to the bar and chain links to prevent dry operation." I kept looking and found https://toolspulse.com/what-can-i-use-for-chainsaw-bar-oil/ which equates ISO weights with SAE weights: "SAE 30 oil is equivalent to ISO 100 grade bar oils, SAE 40 is identical to ISO 150 bar oils..." The above link also contains a viscosity chart that included SAE gear oil, which also appears to be yet another scale, adding to the confusion. Brian On 5/28/2023 1:23 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > OK great minds of the internets, quick question... > > I use a lot of bar oil since I cut trees. > > I have lots of different gear oils that I will most likely not need. > ?In many cases, I needed a few ounces and had to buy a gallon of it. > > My question is, can I 'mix' some of the gear oil in with the bar oil? > ?If so, what would be a max ratio? ?I want to use up the gear oil and > get rid of these huge containers, but I figure this would be a good way. > > Any other places I can mix it? ?I don't think I would try it in > hydraulic fluid. > > So, what's the collective wisdom say here? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Not an effective response to your question, but perhaps helpful, I have been using used vegetable cooking oil for my bar lube for quite a few years and it has worked well. It seems "stickier" than motor oil and does not tend to fly off as easily. I read a link on it many years ago and started using it after I started deep frying turkeys for Thanksgiving and had gallos of the stuff around. Here are a couple different links about why using vegetable oil: FWIW... https://learn.eartheasy.com/articles/using-vegetable-oil-to-replace-chainsaw-oil/#:~:text=Effective%20%E2%80%93%20Vegetable%20oils%20have%20natural,or%20bar%20wear%20over%20time . https://www.thetoolyard.com/2019/03/can-i-use-vegetable-oil-for-lubricating.html best, doug On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 10:54?AM Brian Kemp wrote: > I'm interested as well, but from a 10w40 perspective leftover from a > previous car. > > From https://www.oildepot.ca/what-is-the-viscosity-of-bar-and-chain-oil/ > and https://www.remodelormove.com/what-viscosity-is-bar-and-chain-oil/ it > appears bar oil is about 30W, so my first though was gear oil might be too > thick. > > One quote from the first link: > > Can Motor Oil Be Used As Bar And Chain Oil? > > "Can you take a 30-weight motor oil and use it as a bar and chain oil? > This is not a good idea. Bar and chain oils have additives called > ?tackifiers?. These additives prevent chainsaw oil from flinging off during > high-speed operation. The tacky oil clings to the bar and chain links to > prevent dry operation." > > I kept looking and found > https://toolspulse.com/what-can-i-use-for-chainsaw-bar-oil/ which equates > ISO weights with SAE weights: > > "SAE 30 oil is equivalent to ISO 100 grade bar oils, SAE 40 is identical > to ISO 150 bar oils..." > > The above link also contains a viscosity chart that included SAE gear oil, > which also appears to be yet another scale, adding to the confusion. > > Brian > > > > On 5/28/2023 1:23 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > OK great minds of the internets, quick question... > > I use a lot of bar oil since I cut trees. > > I have lots of different gear oils that I will most likely not need. In > many cases, I needed a few ounces and had to buy a gallon of it. > > My question is, can I 'mix' some of the gear oil in with the bar oil? If > so, what would be a max ratio? I want to use up the gear oil and get rid > of these huge containers, but I figure this would be a good way. > > Any other places I can mix it? I don't think I would try it in hydraulic > fluid. > > So, what's the collective wisdom say here? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Tue May 30 13:42:32 2023 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 14:42:32 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: <0B005B8E-0A9E-49EF-81A5-6495C551DAAB@gmail.com> References: <3EAE8DB2-C570-4701-B63E-7F374B6CD069@comcast.net> <36D4226D-F86A-4F64-923B-CA782C14D204@gmail.com> <0B005B8E-0A9E-49EF-81A5-6495C551DAAB@gmail.com> Message-ID: -- David Scheidt dmscheidt at gmail.com From dmscheidt at gmail.com Tue May 30 13:46:21 2023 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 14:46:21 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: <0B005B8E-0A9E-49EF-81A5-6495C551DAAB@gmail.com> References: <3EAE8DB2-C570-4701-B63E-7F374B6CD069@comcast.net> <36D4226D-F86A-4F64-923B-CA782C14D204@gmail.com> <0B005B8E-0A9E-49EF-81A5-6495C551DAAB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Another thing: if you haven't painted with zero/low voc paints, they dry fast. You probably learned "wet edge" techniques. forget them. zero voc paint drys too fast. Do your cutting in, and let it dry. Then do your field painting. If you attempt to paint over a partially dried coat, you will pull it up, and make a mess. Depending on how fast you are, and how big your job is, you may be able to start painting immediately after you finishing cutting in, but you will probably have to wait a bit. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt at gmail.com From 1789alpine at gmail.com Tue May 30 17:32:33 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 19:32:33 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: References: <3EAE8DB2-C570-4701-B63E-7F374B6CD069@comcast.net> <36D4226D-F86A-4F64-923B-CA782C14D204@gmail.com> <0B005B8E-0A9E-49EF-81A5-6495C551DAAB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E17FAA3-D89D-4F78-B7E0-4F4B3BCA80C0@gmail.com> "Another thing: if you haven't painted with zero/low voc paints, they dry fast.? Boy, you aren?t kidding! I actually got this email while I was in the middle of painting my first set of walls. (More on the ceilings in a subsequent email.) This was my first experience with Low VOC paint. I had seen references to low or no VOC paints but not paid much attention to the difference. Based on several online reviews, I used Sherwin-Williams HGTV Infinity paint. https://www.lowes.com/pd/HGTV-HOME-by-Sherwin-Williams-HGTV-HOME-by-Sherwin-Williams-Infinity-Interior-Satin-Ultra-White/5005508285. Reviews of the paint mentioned its low VOC content as one of its benefits, but tended to recommend it based on other factors. In the end, I am happy with the way it went on and we did get good one coat coverage (on new drywall with two coats of PVA primer) but man, does that stuff dry fast! Fortunately, my wife and I were working together on the walls; she was cutting in the edges and I was rolling the primer behind her. We were able to keep a wet edge by working together, but it would have been next to impossible to do alone. I would not have started with the low VOC paint had I known what I know now, as dry time will be an issue when I am painting the stairwell. My plan was always to add Floetrol (https://www.flood.com/products/paint-additives/floetrol-latex-based-paint-additive) to the paint to slow down the drying there. If need be, I will also feather the paint where I think it may dry too fast and hope to be able to blend it in without getting a line. Wish me luck. Jim > On May 30, 2023, at 3:46 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > > Another thing: if you haven't painted with zero/low voc paints, they > dry fast. You probably learned "wet edge" techniques. forget them. > zero voc paint drys too fast. Do your cutting in, and let it dry. > Then do your field painting. If you attempt to paint over a partially > dried coat, you will pull it up, and make a mess. > > Depending on how fast you are, and how big your job is, you may be > able to start painting immediately after you finishing cutting in, but > you will probably have to wait a bit. > > -- > David Scheidt > dmscheidt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhlocker at protonmail.com Wed May 31 03:37:45 2023 From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker) Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 09:37:45 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceiling Paint In-Reply-To: <5E17FAA3-D89D-4F78-B7E0-4F4B3BCA80C0@gmail.com> References: <3EAE8DB2-C570-4701-B63E-7F374B6CD069@comcast.net> <36D4226D-F86A-4F64-923B-CA782C14D204@gmail.com> <0B005B8E-0A9E-49EF-81A5-6495C551DAAB@gmail.com> <5E17FAA3-D89D-4F78-B7E0-4F4B3BCA80C0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you so much for the tips. My wife and I have some significant painting tasks ahead in the next year or so and these notes will help a lot. I'm not too bad at painting using the older-school products. I only run into problems with planning, prep, application, and cleanup. ;-) Donald. On 2023-05-30 19:32, Jim Stone wrote: > "Another thing: if you haven't painted with zero/low voc paints, they dry fast.? > > Boy, you aren?t kidding! I actually got this email while I was in the middle of painting my first set of walls. (More on the ceilings in a subsequent email.) This was my first experience with Low VOC paint. I had seen references to low or no VOC paints but not paid much attention to the difference. Based on several online reviews, I used Sherwin-Williams HGTV Infinity paint. https://www.lowes.com/pd/HGTV-HOME-by-Sherwin-Williams-HGTV-HOME-by-Sherwin-Williams-Infinity-Interior-Satin-Ultra-White/5005508285. Reviews of the paint mentioned its low VOC content as one of its benefits, but tended to recommend it based on other factors. In the end, I am happy with the way it went on and we did get good one coat coverage (on new drywall with two coats of PVA primer) but man, does that stuff dry fast! Fortunately, my wife and I were working together on the walls; she was cutting in the edges and I was rolling the primer behind her. We were able to keep a wet edge by working together, but it would have been next to impossible to do alone. > > I would not have started with the low VOC paint had I known what I know now, as dry time will be an issue when I am painting the stairwell. My plan was always to add Floetrol (https://www.flood.com/products/paint-additives/floetrol-latex-based-paint-additive) to the paint to slow down the drying there. If need be, I will also feather the paint where I think it may dry too fast and hope to be able to blend it in without getting a line. > > Wish me luck. > > Jim > >> On May 30, 2023, at 3:46 PM, David Scheidt [](mailto:dmscheidt at gmail.com) wrote: >> >> Another thing: if you haven't painted with zero/low voc paints, they >> dry fast. You probably learned "wet edge" techniques. forget them. >> zero voc paint drys too fast. Do your cutting in, and let it dry. >> Then do your field painting. If you attempt to paint over a partially >> dried coat, you will pull it up, and make a mess. >> >> Depending on how fast you are, and how big your job is, you may be >> able to start painting immediately after you finishing cutting in, but >> you will probably have to wait a bit. >> >> -- >> David Scheidt >> dmscheidt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The paint covered in one coat - new drywall with two coats of PVA primer. As an experiment, I tried getting away with just one coat in one room and it seemed to be fine. Still, adding a second coat of primer is pretty easy and I?ll probably stay with that in the rest of the addition for peace of mind. Before going any further, I should mention that one group member sent me a note that wasn?t copied to everyone recommending Sherwin-Williams CHB paint for the ceiling, but I got the email after I?d bought the Benjamin Moore. FWIW, I just quickly researched CHB paint and others recommend it, too. This review was pretty interesting: https://dengarden.com/home-improvement/Sherwin-Williams-CHB-Paint-Review So, on to the bad news and a new question. We originally bought three gallons of the paint and my wife picked them up at the paint store. Two of the gallons fell out of the truck and opened up when she got home. Our driveway is currently just dirt, so no harm there, other then the loss of 1 1/2 gallons of expensive paint. (I was able to save about half a gallon between the two cans.) So, there goes about $75 of my savings from doing the patting myself. I mixed the remaining gallon and a half together in a five gallon bucket, following standard practice to account for any color inconsistencies. At least, that was what I thought I was doing. Unfortunately, I accidentally grabbed a fresh gallon of PVA primer instead of the ceiling paint. So, there goes more of my savings. How much more money was wasted depends on the answer to my question, which is: can I use the primer mixed with the ceiling paint? Neither are low VOC paints but the primer is Valspar PVA and, as noted, the ceiling paint is Benjamin Moore. Still, ceiling paint is dead flat and it seems to me that I now just have some primer with extra pigment in it. Does that make sense? I have more PVA and could easily further dilute the ceiling paint, but I?d hate to ruin the remaining primer, if that is a problem. Any thoughts? Jim > On May 31, 2023, at 5:37 AM, Donald H Locker wrote: > > Thank you so much for the tips. My wife and I have some significant painting tasks ahead in the next year or so and these notes will help a lot. > > I'm not too bad at painting using the older-school products. I only run into problems with planning, prep, application, and cleanup. ;-) > > Donald. > > On 2023-05-30 19:32, Jim Stone wrote: >> "Another thing: if you haven't painted with zero/low voc paints, they dry fast.? >> >> Boy, you aren?t kidding! I actually got this email while I was in the middle of painting my first set of walls. (More on the ceilings in a subsequent email.) This was my first experience with Low VOC paint. I had seen references to low or no VOC paints but not paid much attention to the difference. Based on several online reviews, I used Sherwin-Williams HGTV Infinity paint. https://www.lowes.com/pd/HGTV-HOME-by-Sherwin-Williams-HGTV-HOME-by-Sherwin-Williams-Infinity-Interior-Satin-Ultra-White/5005508285. Reviews of the paint mentioned its low VOC content as one of its benefits, but tended to recommend it based on other factors. In the end, I am happy with the way it went on and we did get good one coat coverage (on new drywall with two coats of PVA primer) but man, does that stuff dry fast! Fortunately, my wife and I were working together on the walls; she was cutting in the edges and I was rolling the primer behind her. We were able to keep a wet edge by working together, but it would have been next to impossible to do alone. >> >> I would not have started with the low VOC paint had I known what I know now, as dry time will be an issue when I am painting the stairwell. My plan was always to add Floetrol (https://www.flood.com/products/paint-additives/floetrol-latex-based-paint-additive) to the paint to slow down the drying there. If need be, I will also feather the paint where I think it may dry too fast and hope to be able to blend it in without getting a line. >> >> Wish me luck. >> >> Jim >> >>> On May 30, 2023, at 3:46 PM, David Scheidt wrote: >>> >>> Another thing: if you haven't painted with zero/low voc paints, they >>> dry fast. You probably learned "wet edge" techniques. forget them. >>> zero voc paint drys too fast. Do your cutting in, and let it dry. >>> Then do your field painting. If you attempt to paint over a partially >>> dried coat, you will pull it up, and make a mess. >>> >>> Depending on how fast you are, and how big your job is, you may be >>> able to start painting immediately after you finishing cutting in, but >>> you will probably have to wait a bit. >>> >>> -- >>> David Scheidt >>> dmscheidt at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: