From eric at megageek.com Fri Feb 10 10:16:46 2023 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 12:16:46 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiper delay fix Message-ID: Friends, Just a follow up on my jeep wiper delay issue. I took the wiper 'whisker' (or stalk) off and took it apart (which was an ordeal itself). The dial that sets the delay was a microchip, but I cleaned the variable resistor contacts. That did nothing. I purchased a new whisker and put it in. That fixed the problem. It was clearly in the resistor/microchip part that was causing the issue. I'm guessing part of the contact for the resistor might have been worn so it couldn't make complete contact. If anyone has any ideas of 'experiments' to try on it, let me know. I have the old one on the 'wall of shame' in the garage. Thanks again for everyone that gave suggestions. Moose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jblair1948 at cox.net Fri Feb 10 16:32:24 2023 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 18:32:24 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiper delay fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:16 PM 2/10/2023, eric at megageek.com wrote: >Just a follow up on my jeep wiper delay issue. > >I took the wiper 'whisker' (or stalk) off and took it apart (which was an ordeal itself). The >dial that sets the delay was a microchip, but I cleaned the variable resistor contacts. >That did nothing. I purchased a new whisker and put it in. That fixed the problem. It was >clearly in the resistor/microchip part that was causing the issue. Moose, Congradulations!!! JohnT John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Sun Feb 12 09:26:23 2023 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 11:26:23 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Perfect "Granny" find Message-ID: You always hear stories about the low milage cars that a grandma owned and never drove. Well, I stumbled into one. Now, it's not a LBC, so don't get too excited. But I got it at a rock bottom price and intent to clean and sell. The vehicle is a 2017 Land Rover Discovery with only 7000 miles on it (that's right, 7K!) I think I can almost triple my money (I paid full asking price, and I have to get it out of the driveway, which was no small feat!) I was worried about the typical mouse damage, but I found the car through a local cat rescue that has trapped, fixed, and adopted out over 30 cats from the property and there are still more there. So I don't think a mouse ever got CLOSE to this car. It was outside, so the exterior needs a deep cleaning, but the inside is SHOWROOM! So far, a cursory cleaning and it is almost brand new looking all the way around. Of course the cats got under the hood and ripped up the firewall insulation and made a mess, but no problems with wires or anything. My question are... 1- of course the rotor and brakes are pretty surface rusted. I got the car driving and the brakes work, but is it worth it to replace the pads (that are nearly brand new) and rotors? Or can I do something different? Can I just remove and lightly sand all surfaces (pads and rotors?) 2-Of course I'm going through this with a fine comb, but is there anything else I should look out for? I'm doing filters and fluids. I already installed the new battery. 3- Is there a way to 'temporary' insure and registrar a vehicle to just move it to a car wash and gas station? Something like dealer plates, but for a limit, one time use? Finally, anyone in the market for a cherry 2017 Discovery (White) 8>) Moose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.f.juhas at snet.net Sun Feb 12 09:51:05 2023 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 11:51:05 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Perfect "Granny" find In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50ef3aab-c01c-1d17-ca12-4811f10e38ee@snet.net> Eric, Temporary registration varies by state, of course, so it depends on where you are or where it came from. I'm in Connecticut and we can get a temporary registration but it's very short term (10 - 20 days) and requires paying the sales tax at that point and proof of insurance. But in PA it's quite different. In 2017 I bought a Boxster from PA and the transport process was easy and offered some extended benefits. It gave me a one month (maybe 28 days?) registration, no sales tax required, and proof of insurance was only to show I was covered on some other policy. I drove the car back to CT where I then used up most of the time back in Connecticut while I resolved an emission issue. And in PA you can register the car at a Notary office, NO DMV! If you are lucky enough to know someone who will loan a dealer plate then that is by far the easiest. I have also used trailers to move stuff around, and that avoids all registration issues. In any event, regardless of requirements, it's a good idea to insure it because you don't want to lose your investment. Bad stuff happens. Jim On 2/12/2023 11:26 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > You always hear stories about the low milage cars that a grandma owned > and never drove. ?Well, I stumbled into one. > > Now, it's not a LBC, so don't get too excited. ?But I got it at a rock > bottom price and intent to clean and sell. > > The vehicle is a 2017 Land Rover Discovery with only 7000 miles on it > ?(that's right, 7K!) > > I think I can almost triple my money (I paid full asking price, and I > have to get it out of the driveway, which was no small feat!) > > I was worried about the typical mouse damage, but I found the car > through a local cat rescue that has trapped, fixed, and adopted out > over 30 cats from the property and there are still more there. ?So I > don't think a mouse ever got CLOSE to this car. > > It was outside, so the exterior needs a deep cleaning, but the inside > is SHOWROOM! ?So far, a cursory cleaning and it is almost brand new > looking all the way around. > > Of course the cats got under the hood and ripped up the firewall > insulation and made a mess, but no problems with wires or anything. > > My question are... > 1- of course the rotor and brakes are pretty surface rusted. ?I got > the car driving and the brakes work, but is it worth it to replace the > pads (that are nearly brand new) and rotors? ?Or can I do something > different? > > Can I just remove and lightly sand all surfaces (pads and rotors?) > > 2-Of course I'm going through this with a fine comb, but is there > anything else I should look out for? ?I'm doing filters and fluids. ?I > already installed the new battery. > > 3- Is there a way to 'temporary' insure and registrar a vehicle to > just move it to a car wash and gas station? ?Something like dealer > plates, but for a limit, one time use? > > Finally, anyone in the market for a cherry 2017 Discovery (White) ?8>) > > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 2/12/2023 8:26 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > You always hear stories about the low milage cars that a grandma owned > and never drove. ?Well, I stumbled into one. > > Now, it's not a LBC, so don't get too excited. ?But I got it at a rock > bottom price and intent to clean and sell. > > The vehicle is a 2017 Land Rover Discovery with only 7000 miles on it > ?(that's right, 7K!) > > I think I can almost triple my money (I paid full asking price, and I > have to get it out of the driveway, which was no small feat!) > > I was worried about the typical mouse damage, but I found the car > through a local cat rescue that has trapped, fixed, and adopted out > over 30 cats from the property and there are still more there. ?So I > don't think a mouse ever got CLOSE to this car. > > It was outside, so the exterior needs a deep cleaning, but the inside > is SHOWROOM! ?So far, a cursory cleaning and it is almost brand new > looking all the way around. > > Of course the cats got under the hood and ripped up the firewall > insulation and made a mess, but no problems with wires or anything. > > My question are... > 1- of course the rotor and brakes are pretty surface rusted. ?I got > the car driving and the brakes work, but is it worth it to replace the > pads (that are nearly brand new) and rotors? ?Or can I do something > different? > > Can I just remove and lightly sand all surfaces (pads and rotors?) > > 2-Of course I'm going through this with a fine comb, but is there > anything else I should look out for? ?I'm doing filters and fluids. ?I > already installed the new battery. > > 3- Is there a way to 'temporary' insure and registrar a vehicle to > just move it to a car wash and gas station? ?Something like dealer > plates, but for a limit, one time use? > > Finally, anyone in the market for a cherry 2017 Discovery (White) ?8>) > > Moose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjcora at icloud.com Sun Feb 12 10:55:26 2023 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 12:55:26 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Perfect "Granny" find In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <756E6435-B1DF-455C-9CE2-57D650C53A25@icloud.com> Good find! As far as the brakes go, I would run thru the standard break in process and I suspect they will look like new. Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Feb 12, 2023, at 11:43 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?You always hear stories about the low milage cars that a grandma owned and never drove. Well, I stumbled into one. > > Now, it's not a LBC, so don't get too excited. But I got it at a rock bottom price and intent to clean and sell. > > The vehicle is a 2017 Land Rover Discovery with only 7000 miles on it (that's right, 7K!) > > I think I can almost triple my money (I paid full asking price, and I have to get it out of the driveway, which was no small feat!) > > I was worried about the typical mouse damage, but I found the car through a local cat rescue that has trapped, fixed, and adopted out over 30 cats from the property and there are still more there. So I don't think a mouse ever got CLOSE to this car. > > It was outside, so the exterior needs a deep cleaning, but the inside is SHOWROOM! So far, a cursory cleaning and it is almost brand new looking all the way around. > > Of course the cats got under the hood and ripped up the firewall insulation and made a mess, but no problems with wires or anything. > > My question are... > 1- of course the rotor and brakes are pretty surface rusted. I got the car driving and the brakes work, but is it worth it to replace the pads (that are nearly brand new) and rotors? Or can I do something different? > > Can I just remove and lightly sand all surfaces (pads and rotors?) > > 2-Of course I'm going through this with a fine comb, but is there anything else I should look out for? I'm doing filters and fluids. I already installed the new battery. > > 3- Is there a way to 'temporary' insure and registrar a vehicle to just move it to a car wash and gas station? Something like dealer plates, but for a limit, one time use? > > Finally, anyone in the market for a cherry 2017 Discovery (White) 8>) > > Moose _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 12:30:06 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 14:30:06 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Message-ID: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual gate opener for the driveway to my shop. Thanks, Jim From patintexas at icloud.com Sun Feb 12 14:18:58 2023 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 15:18:58 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim, I?m looking into something similar as an anti-theft device for my 1967 Datsun. I found a project on line that consists of your cell phone & an Arduino device. It acts like the keyless entry systems that modern vehicles have. You just walk up, or in your case, drive up & the gate opens. No button press required. When your phone is out of range the gate closes (if you program the Arduino to behave like that). I?ll be interrupting the ignition & starter power on the car. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 12, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: ?Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual gate opener for the driveway to my shop. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 18:34:48 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:34:48 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting idea, Pat. Do you already have an automatic gate? > On Feb 12, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > > Jim, I?m looking into something similar as an anti-theft device for my 1967 Datsun. I found a project on line that consists of your cell phone & an Arduino device. It acts like the keyless entry systems that modern vehicles have. You just walk up, or in your case, drive up & the gate opens. No button press required. When your phone is out of range the gate closes (if you program the Arduino to behave like that). > > I?ll be interrupting the ignition & starter power on the car. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 12, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual gate opener for the driveway to my shop. > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > From patintexas at icloud.com Sun Feb 12 18:38:23 2023 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:38:23 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, I have to open my gate manually but may consider adding this control later. I hope to start designing the Arduino circuitry soon. Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 12, 2023, at 7:35 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: ?Interesting idea, Pat. Do you already have an automatic gate? > On Feb 12, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > > Jim, I?m looking into something similar as an anti-theft device for my 1967 Datsun. I found a project on line that consists of your cell phone & an Arduino device. It acts like the keyless entry systems that modern vehicles have. You just walk up, or in your case, drive up & the gate opens. No button press required. When your phone is out of range the gate closes (if you program the Arduino to behave like that). > > I?ll be interrupting the ignition & starter power on the car. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 12, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual gate opener for the driveway to my shop. > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 19:10:47 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 18:10:47 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Message-ID: Hi guys, I just replaced the rear leaf road springs on my 1954 MG TF, and they are working well with new urethane bushings, etc. Handles and rides great now! What a difference from the old sagging springs and the perished rubber bushings! Not a bad job to do, either. Fortunately I have a four post lift, some air jacks and a sliding center panel on the lift so all of the work was done standing with a good headlight shining on the underside of the car. That is not the problem/question, however. Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them. I can stack them in the corner of the garage, but I doubt that I would ever use them again. I always can just toss them in the recycling hopper, but I wondered if any of you figured out some good "second life" for the spring steel there? I suppose I could make knives or something... I thought about taking them apart and saving a few of the longer leaves for potential future welding projects, etc. I cannot foresee ever trying to rebuild and reuse them when the new ones are reasonably priced and available. I just sort of hate dumping some 69 year old MG leaf springs in the recycling bin... -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 19:22:50 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 18:22:50 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I installed a larger swing gate across my driveway about 20 years ago, and it still is working well. I have had to replace the gate opener twice, and actually had one gate opener stolen off from the gate (arm and control box). That was quite a shocker. I live in a very safe neighborhood but believe that some workmen at a neighboring house stole it. As a result, I would strongly suggest that you get a lock for the pin where the opener arm attaches to the gate. Here in my city you also need to have a fire department key switch facing the street so that they can open the gate in case of a fire on your property. I used Linear Pro for the opener. It says it is for professional installation only, but I did it no problem. All of the parts are available separately (e.g., circuit boards, arm, mechanical parts, etc.), and they usually ship the next day. https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx Things will break or wear out on it eventually if you use it multiple times a day for years, and replacement part availability and pricing is important. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, just ask, best, doug On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 5:50 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > Interesting idea, Pat. Do you already have an automatic gate? > > > On Feb 12, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > > > > Jim, I?m looking into something similar as an anti-theft device for my > 1967 Datsun. I found a project on line that consists of your cell phone & > an Arduino device. It acts like the keyless entry systems that modern > vehicles have. You just walk up, or in your case, drive up & the gate > opens. No button press required. When your phone is out of range the gate > closes (if you program the Arduino to behave like that). > > > > I?ll be interrupting the ignition & starter power on the car. > > > > Peace, > > Pat > > > > Pat Horne > > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > > > > On Feb 12, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate > openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 19:45:14 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 21:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Doug. That is exactly the kind of recommendation I am looking for. > On Feb 12, 2023, at 9:22 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > I installed a larger swing gate across my driveway about 20 years ago, and it still is working well. I have had to replace the gate opener twice, and actually had one gate opener stolen off from the gate (arm and control box). That was quite a shocker. > > I live in a very safe neighborhood but believe that some workmen at a neighboring house stole it. > > As a result, I would strongly suggest that you get a lock for the pin where the opener arm attaches to the gate. > > Here in my city you also need to have a fire department key switch facing the street so that they can open the gate in case of a fire on your property. > > I used Linear Pro for the opener. It says it is for professional installation only, but I did it no problem. All of the parts are available separately (e.g., circuit boards, arm, mechanical parts, etc.), and they usually ship the next day. > https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx > > Things will break or wear out on it eventually if you use it multiple times a day for years, and replacement part availability and pricing is important. > > Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, just ask, > > best, > > doug > > > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 5:50 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >> Interesting idea, Pat. Do you already have an automatic gate? >> >> > On Feb 12, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Pat Horne > wrote: >> > >> > Jim, I?m looking into something similar as an anti-theft device for my 1967 Datsun. I found a project on line that consists of your cell phone & an Arduino device. It acts like the keyless entry systems that modern vehicles have. You just walk up, or in your case, drive up & the gate opens. No button press required. When your phone is out of range the gate closes (if you program the Arduino to behave like that). >> > >> > I?ll be interrupting the ignition & starter power on the car. >> > >> > Peace, >> > Pat >> > >> > Pat Horne >> > We support Habitat for Humanity >> > >> > >> > On Feb 12, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >> > >> > ?Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jim >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >> > > > -- > Best, > > Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Feb 12 21:15:00 2023 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 04:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <877846147.779736.1676261700016@mail.yahoo.com> You could make a crossbow and shoot some armor-peircing rebar bolts. ? Or not. Dave -----Original Message----- From: old dirtbeard To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Feb 12, 2023 8:10 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Hi guys, I just replaced the rear leaf road springs on my 1954 MG TF, and they are working well with new urethane?bushings, etc. Handles and rides great now! What a difference from the old sagging springs and the perished?rubber bushings! Not a bad job to do, either. Fortunately I have a four?post lift, some air jacks and a sliding center panel on the lift so all of the work was done standing with a good headlight shining on the underside of the car. That is not the? problem/question, however. Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know?what to do with them. I can stack them in the corner of the garage, but I doubt that I would ever use them again. I always can just toss them in the recycling hopper, but I wondered if any of you figured out some good "second life" for the spring steel there?? I suppose I could make knives or something... I thought about taking them apart and saving a few of the longer leaves for potential future welding projects, etc.? I cannot foresee?ever trying to rebuild and reuse them when the new ones are reasonably?priced and available. I just sort of hate dumping some 69 year old MG leaf springs in the recycling bin... -- Best, Doug_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjcora at icloud.com Mon Feb 13 05:28:11 2023 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 07:28:11 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is this ?recycling bin? that you refer to? If it is the blue plastic bin which beer bottles go into, and you pay someone to empty for you, I would suggest that you get yourself another bin, which gets filled with metal scrap, and which you take to the scrap yard on an as needed basis, at which point, your scrap turns into beer money. Long winded way of saying take them to the scrap yard. Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Feb 12, 2023, at 10:42 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > ? > Hi guys, > > I just replaced the rear leaf road springs on my 1954 MG TF, and they are working well with new urethane bushings, etc. Handles and rides great now! What a difference from the old sagging springs and the perished rubber bushings! Not a bad job to do, either. Fortunately I have a four post lift, some air jacks and a sliding center panel on the lift so all of the work was done standing with a good headlight shining on the underside of the car. > > That is not the problem/question, however. > > Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them. > > I can stack them in the corner of the garage, but I doubt that I would ever use them again. > > I always can just toss them in the recycling hopper, but I wondered if any of you figured out some good "second life" for the spring steel there? > > I suppose I could make knives or something... > > I thought about taking them apart and saving a few of the longer leaves for potential future welding projects, etc. > > I cannot foresee ever trying to rebuild and reuse them when the new ones are reasonably priced and available. > > I just sort of hate dumping some 69 year old MG leaf springs in the recycling bin... > > -- > Best, > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 06:09:13 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:09:13 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Tom, Yes, I was talking about the blue recycling bin. I had not thought about a scrap yard. I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, beer money. But it might take me that much in gas money driving to the scrap yard to get the beer money. But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-) best, doug On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 4:37 AM Tom Coradeschi wrote: > What is this ?recycling bin? that you refer to? If it is the blue plastic > bin which beer bottles go into, and you pay someone to empty for you, I > would suggest that you get yourself another bin, which gets filled with > metal scrap, and which you take to the scrap yard on an as needed basis, at > which point, your scrap turns into beer money. > > Long winded way of saying take them to the scrap yard. > > Tom Coradeschi > tjcora at icloud.com > > On Feb 12, 2023, at 10:42 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > ? > Hi guys, > > I just replaced the rear leaf road springs on my 1954 MG TF, and they are > working well with new urethane bushings, etc. Handles and rides great now! > What a difference from the old sagging springs and the perished rubber > bushings! Not a bad job to do, either. Fortunately I have a four post lift, > some air jacks and a sliding center panel on the lift so all of the work > was done standing with a good headlight shining on the underside of the car. > > That is not the problem/question, however. > > Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not > know what to do with them. > > I can stack them in the corner of the garage, but I doubt that I would > ever use them again. > > I always can just toss them in the recycling hopper, but I wondered if any > of you figured out some good "second life" for the spring steel there? > > I suppose I could make knives or something... > > I thought about taking them apart and saving a few of the longer leaves > for potential future welding projects, etc. > > I cannot foresee ever trying to rebuild and reuse them when the new ones > are reasonably priced and available. > > I just sort of hate dumping some 69 year old MG leaf springs in the > recycling bin... > > -- > Best, > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 08:40:40 2023 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:40:40 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > I had not thought about a scrap yard. > > I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, beer money. I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago. 50 or 60 pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check. Wait to get spotted, wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for one beer. If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red. Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a prodigious drinker. He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum beer cans. That was enough to pay for the time and the gas. > > But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-) I turn beer into gas. So there's that... -- Jeff From pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com Mon Feb 13 08:58:38 2023 From: pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com (PJ McGarvey) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:58:38 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The "junkyard" on the side of my garage got a bit overwhelming so I dropped off an 8' bed of junk recently for $120. A V8 crankshaft, a car door, years of old nuts/bolts, control arms, mufflers, etc. It makes sense to wait until you have too much ?. In hindsight, it also makes sense to weigh the cost (pun intended) of a possible flat tire in the scrap yard, injury from the guy next to you blindly throwing junk into the pile, a rusty cut on your hand, and the lung damage from the terrible air quality. Then the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. Are they work anything? lol. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:40 AM To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > I had not thought about a scrap yard. > > I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, beer money. I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago. 50 or 60 pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check. Wait to get spotted, wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for one beer. If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red. Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a prodigious drinker. He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum beer cans. That was enough to pay for the time and the gas. > > But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-) I turn beer into gas. So there's that... -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Feb 13 10:00:17 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:00:17 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: re: "... the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. ? Are they work anything?" $6. But you can probably expect some funny looks from the whippersnapper running the cash register. On 2/13/2023 7:58 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > The "junkyard" on the side of my garage got a bit overwhelming so I > dropped off an 8' bed of junk recently for $120.? A V8 crankshaft, a > car door, years of old nuts/bolts, control arms, mufflers, etc. It > makes sense to wait until you have too much ?. > > In hindsight, it also makes sense to weigh the cost (pun intended) of > a possible flat tire in the scrap yard, injury from the guy next to > you blindly throwing junk into the pile, a rusty cut on your hand, and > the lung damage from the terrible air quality. > > Then the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. Are > they work anything?? lol. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff > Scarbrough > *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2023 10:40 AM > *To:* shop-talk at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > > > I had not thought about a scrap yard. > > > > I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I > did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you > say, beer money. > > I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago.? 50 or 60 > pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check.? Wait to get spotted, > wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk > around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to > deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for > one beer.? If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red. > > Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a > prodigious drinker.? He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum > beer cans.? That was enough to pay for the time and the gas. > > > > >? But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer...? :-) > > I turn beer into gas.? So there's that... > > -- Jeff > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Mon Feb 13 10:20:37 2023 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:20:37 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Laser rust removal Message-ID: Does anyone here have any experiences with laser rust removers? I am still trying to decided if I should bite the bullet and buy one. I am expecting it to be between $8k and $10K. Is that a reasonable price range? Are their features/specs to look for or stay away from? Are their consumables? 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Dave -----Original Message----- From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2023 9:58 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? #yiv1092162320 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}The "junkyard" on the side of my garage got a bit overwhelming so I dropped off an 8' bed of junk recently for $120.? A V8 crankshaft, a car door, years of old nuts/bolts, control arms, mufflers, etc. It makes sense to wait until you have too much ?.? ? In hindsight, it also makes sense to weigh the cost (pun intended) of a possible flat tire in the scrap yard, injury from the guy next to you blindly throwing junk into the pile, a rusty cut on your hand, and the lung damage from the terrible air quality. Then the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills.? Are they work anything?? lol. From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:40 AM To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them??On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > I had not thought about a scrap yard. > > I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, beer money. I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago.? 50 or 60 pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check.? Wait to get spotted, wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for one beer.? If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red. Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a prodigious drinker.? He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum beer cans.? That was enough to pay for the time and the gas. > >? But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer...? :-) I turn beer into gas.? So there's that... -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 13:43:13 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:43:13 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08be01d93feb$cb3e4320$61bac960$@gmail.com> Hi Jim: Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means you have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added risk of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it closed. A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was never an snow... Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrate a keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediately to mind. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim Stone Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual gate opener for the driveway to my shop. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com From fishplate at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 14:40:35 2023 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:40:35 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Laser rust removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had never heard of it, so I went to YouTube to find out more. It looks like it works, but one video mentioned that the technology was advancing rapidly. I might be hesitant to jump in just because of that. I'd also be curious to see how it compares to soda blasting or dry ice blasting before I committed. On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 2:23 PM wrote: > > Does anyone here have any experiences with laser rust removers? > > I am still trying to decided if I should bite the bullet and buy one. I am expecting it to be between $8k and $10K. Is that a reasonable price range? > > Are their features/specs to look for or stay away from? > Are their consumables? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > (PS, if I get one, anyone on the list is more than welcome to come use it for free!) 8>)_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > From 1789alpine at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 19:06:11 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: <08be01d93feb$cb3e4320$61bac960$@gmail.com> References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> <08be01d93feb$cb3e4320$61bac960$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5DC5DF62-FDE6-4867-94D6-B4AA94D6B17F@gmail.com> The driveway opening is just over 13?, so two 6 1/2? gates. The gates are about 40? from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in the garage. I?ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn?t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn?t be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I?ll probably skip that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn?t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan! As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all done. We?re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won?t often need access to the back. My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I?ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set. I?m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly appreciated. Jim > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, wrote: > > Hi Jim: > > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? > > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means you > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added risk > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it > closed. > > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was > never an snow... > > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... > > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrate a > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? > > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediately > to mind. > > ---------------- > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim Stone > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM > To: Shop Talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates > > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > From dirtbeard at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 20:06:13 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:06:13 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: <5DC5DF62-FDE6-4867-94D6-B4AA94D6B17F@gmail.com> References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> <08be01d93feb$cb3e4320$61bac960$@gmail.com> <5DC5DF62-FDE6-4867-94D6-B4AA94D6B17F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate. A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. I can send photos if you would like. best, doug On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > The driveway opening is just over 13?, so two 6 1/2? gates. The gates are > about 40? from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc conduit > from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in the > garage. I?ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty > reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual > transfer switch) so losing power wouldn?t be too big a deal. The back is > pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn?t be > any easier than just running it to the garage, so I?ll probably skip that. > Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn?t too > extreme, especially compared to Michigan! > > As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this > all done. We?re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and > construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru > lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main > entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won?t often need access to > the back. > > My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to > make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up > batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to > $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I?ve > seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list > recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual > gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted > satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the > consideration set. > > I?m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly > appreciated. > > Jim > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, < > alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Jim: > > > > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? > > > > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means > you > > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added > risk > > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure > it > > closed. > > > > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke > the > > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there > was > > never an snow... > > > > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get > > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... > > > > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might > want > > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrate > a > > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? > > > > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come > immediately > > to mind. > > > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > > > Al Fuller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim > Stone > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM > > To: Shop Talk > > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates > > > > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate > openers? > > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand > > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a > dual > > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is very useful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors. https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From watsonm05 at comcast.net Wed Feb 15 04:36:27 2023 From: watsonm05 at comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:36:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> Phil, That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even cooler! Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of the other prybars I already have. Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it - the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for bending it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it? Thanks for sharing! Mark 1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention 1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-) 2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn out A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford Fusion) > On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them. > > > > > > > > I suppose I could make knives or something... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 > > > > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05 at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Wed Feb 15 05:35:23 2023 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:35:23 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <66AE0B87-41DE-4273-A229-2E06ECAC8BA5@groupwbench.org> Having launched a few stubborn nails into orbit over the years, I'd like *less* spring in my pry bars, not more :-) jim > On Feb 15, 2023, at 6:36 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > > Phil, > > That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even cooler! > > Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of the other prybars I already have. > > Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it - the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for bending it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it? > > Thanks for sharing! > > Mark > 1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention > 1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-) > 2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn out > A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford Fusion) >> On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them. >>> >>> I suppose I could make knives or something... >> >> I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 >> >> >> >> >> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA >> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue >> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red >> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten >> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White >> 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK >> 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White >> http://www.mnautox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05 at comcast.net >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 21:19:37 2023 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 22:19:37 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I think Dad knew more about metalworking than I. Think he forged it rather than grinding. It was of course spring steel, and I think he knew how to treat it. Oil or water quenching, that sort of thing. I don't know when or where he made it. Mechanics Arts High School? Superior Packing? Steve Ethier and Sons Keating? US Navy? Surely not at the City of Saint Paul Building Department, but in those years the family business was still in operation. He also had buddies all over town who had businesses in the trades. My guess is that he forged the ends first and then put in the small bend, then put in the big bend. I would not be surprised to learn that the edges of the main part are original. I'm sure there are folks on Shop-talk who know just how to do this. I have not checked YouTube yet, but it's probably there. On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 5:36 AM Mark Watson wrote: > Phil, > > That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even > cooler! > > Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of > the other prybars I already have. > > Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it - > the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for bending > it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it? > > Thanks for sharing! > > Mark > 1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention > 1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-) > 2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - > obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - > I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn > out > A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford > Fusion) > > On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier wrote: > > > > Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not > know what to do with them. > > I suppose I could make knives or something... > > I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. > Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and > as a foot-lever for hanging doors. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 > > > > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05 at comcast.net > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 07:18:57 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> <08be01d93feb$cb3e4320$61bac960$@gmail.com> <5DC5DF62-FDE6-4867-94D6-B4AA94D6B17F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> Thanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16? or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5? ones. Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. I?ll try to remember to update the list when I am done. Jim > On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. > > This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: > https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE > > These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate. > > A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. > > I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. > > I can send photos if you would like. > > best, > > doug > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >> The driveway opening is just over 13?, so two 6 1/2? gates. The gates are about 40? from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in the garage. I?ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn?t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn?t be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I?ll probably skip that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn?t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >> >> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all done. We?re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won?t often need access to the back. >> >> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I?ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set. >> >> I?m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Jim >> >> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, > > wrote: >> > >> > Hi Jim: >> > >> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >> > >> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means you >> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added risk >> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it >> > closed. >> > >> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the >> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was >> > never an snow... >> > >> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get >> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >> > >> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want >> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrate a >> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >> > >> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediately >> > to mind. >> > >> > ---------------- >> > All the best, >> > >> > Al Fuller >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Shop-talk > On Behalf Of Jim Stone >> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >> > To: Shop Talk > >> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >> > >> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? >> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual >> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jim >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> > http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >> > > > -- > Best, > > Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate. A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. I can send photos if you would like. best, doug -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 08:24:11 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:24:11 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A7FB796-446B-4432-BFBC-1E586FA6FF47@gmail.com> Thank you for that offer, but I don?t think it is worth your time to take the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just started researching this. The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a thru lot, with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the street that has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when we bought the house and we?re going to redo it to make it a little better looking but still block the view. FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the spring. That doesn?t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would probably be something to think about with a slider. Jim > On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > > Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep livestock in/out? > > There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I?ll take a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don?t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary ?Y? shaped guide that the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate. > > I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to go around & get them. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16? or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5? ones. Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. I?ll try to remember to update the list when I am done. > > Jim > > >> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard > wrote: >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. >> >> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: >> https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE >> >> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate. >> >> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. >> >> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. >> >> I can send photos if you would like. >> >> best, >> >> doug >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >>> The driveway opening is just over 13?, so two 6 1/2? gates. The gates are about 40? from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in the garage. I?ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn?t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn?t be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I?ll probably skip that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn?t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >>> >>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all done. We?re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won?t often need access to the back. >>> >>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I?ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set. >>> >>> I?m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, > > wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Jim: >>> > >>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >>> > >>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means you >>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added risk >>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it >>> > closed. >>> > >>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the >>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was >>> > never an snow... >>> > >>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get >>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >>> > >>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want >>> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrate a >>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >>> > >>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediately >>> > to mind. >>> > >>> > ---------------- >>> > All the best, >>> > >>> > Al Fuller >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Shop-talk > On Behalf Of Jim Stone >>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >>> > To: Shop Talk > >>> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >>> > >>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? >>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual >>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Jim >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> > http://autox.team.net/archive >>> > >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Best, >> >> Doug > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 09:07:17 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:07:17 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: <1A7FB796-446B-4432-BFBC-1E586FA6FF47@gmail.com> References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> <1A7FB796-446B-4432-BFBC-1E586FA6FF47@gmail.com> Message-ID: Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates: 1. The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the gate, the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end and large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking plate from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment. 2. Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or closing. You should not have either of these problems with a sliding gate. Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, etc., particularly if the drive is not paved. On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for that offer, but I don?t think it is worth your time to take > the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just started > researching this. > > The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to keep > my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a thru lot, > with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the street that > has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks to my > neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I have a pretty > ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to time, > random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when we > bought the house and we?re going to redo it to make it a little better > looking but still block the view. > > FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the > spring. That doesn?t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would > probably be something to think about with a slider. > > Jim > > On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > > Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest > people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep > livestock in/out? > > There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I?ll take a look at how much > they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that rides on an > angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don?t overlap on > the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary ?Y? shaped guide that > the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be > on the gate. > > I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to go > around & get them. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garage and the > gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more > trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding > gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the > gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some > research to do. And, fabricating one 16? or so frame (I gather you need > plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5? ones. > Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. I?ll try to remember to > update the list when I am done. > > Jim > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate > with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. > > This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about > $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: > > https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE > > These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran > 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there > anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the > low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the > gate. > > A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if > you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There > really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. > > I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, > garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. > > I can send photos if you would like. > > best, > > doug > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > >> The driveway opening is just over 13?, so two 6 1/2? gates. The gates >> are about 40? from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc >> conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in >> the garage. I?ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty >> reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual >> transfer switch) so losing power wouldn?t be too big a deal. The back is >> pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn?t be >> any easier than just running it to the garage, so I?ll probably skip that. >> Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn?t too >> extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >> >> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this >> all done. We?re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and >> construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru >> lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main >> entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won?t often need access to >> the back. >> >> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to >> make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up >> batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to >> $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I?ve >> seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list >> recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual >> gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted >> satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the >> consideration set. >> >> I?m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Jim >> >> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, < >> alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Jim: >> > >> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >> > >> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means >> you >> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added >> risk >> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to >> ensure it >> > closed. >> > >> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly >> broke the >> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there >> was >> > never an snow... >> > >> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get >> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >> > >> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might >> want >> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to >> integrate a >> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >> > >> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come >> immediately >> > to mind. >> > >> > ---------------- >> > All the best, >> > >> > Al Fuller >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim >> Stone >> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >> > To: Shop Talk >> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >> > >> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate >> openers? >> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a >> dual >> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jim >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> > http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >> >> > > -- > Best, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 09:56:50 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:56:50 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> <1A7FB796-446B-4432-BFBC-1E586FA6FF47@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so I am sending it again just in case: Thanks, Doug. I did get your message and had written something about it in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake. There is only about 30? between the garage doors and the gate and a single swinging gate would create challenges parking in front of the garage, which is where we generally park our daily drivers. Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square tube if I make it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about 3/4? between the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of the house. Wind is definitely a concern where we are; we were in the path of Hurricane Sandy a few years ago, although the serious damage was about 60+ miles west of us. I am assuming the gaps between the slats (basically 6? decking boards) will be enough. I guess that is just one more reason to seriously consider the slider. Jim > On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates: > The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the gate, the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end and large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking plate from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment. > Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or closing. > You should not have either of these problems with a sliding gate. > > Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, etc., particularly if the drive is not paved. > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >> Thank you for that offer, but I don?t think it is worth your time to take the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just started researching this. >> >> The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a thru lot, with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the street that has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when we bought the house and we?re going to redo it to make it a little better looking but still block the view. >> >> FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the spring. That doesn?t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would probably be something to think about with a slider. >> >> Jim >> >>> On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne > wrote: >>> >>> Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep livestock in/out? >>> >>> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I?ll take a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don?t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary ?Y? shaped guide that the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate. >>> >>> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to go around & get them. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Pat >>> >>> Pat Horne >>> We support Habitat for Humanity >>> >>> >>> On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >>> >>> ?Thanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16? or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5? ones. Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. I?ll try to remember to update the list when I am done. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard > wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jim, >>>> >>>> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. >>>> >>>> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: >>>> https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE >>>> >>>> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate. >>>> >>>> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. >>>> >>>> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. >>>> >>>> I can send photos if you would like. >>>> >>>> best, >>>> >>>> doug >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> The driveway opening is just over 13?, so two 6 1/2? gates. The gates are about 40? from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in the garage. I?ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn?t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn?t be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I?ll probably skip that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn?t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >>>>> >>>>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all done. We?re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won?t often need access to the back. >>>>> >>>>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I?ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set. >>>>> >>>>> I?m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, > > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hi Jim: >>>>> > >>>>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >>>>> > >>>>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means you >>>>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added risk >>>>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it >>>>> > closed. >>>>> > >>>>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the >>>>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was >>>>> > never an snow... >>>>> > >>>>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get >>>>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >>>>> > >>>>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want >>>>> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrate a >>>>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediately >>>>> > to mind. >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------- >>>>> > All the best, >>>>> > >>>>> > Al Fuller >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: Shop-talk > On Behalf Of Jim Stone >>>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >>>>> > To: Shop Talk > >>>>> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >>>>> > >>>>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? >>>>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >>>>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual >>>>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > Jim >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>>>> > http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> > >>>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Doug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >> > > > -- > Best, > > Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 10:34:37 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:34:37 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates In-Reply-To: References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> <1A7FB796-446B-4432-BFBC-1E586FA6FF47@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Yes, I think in general, the sliding gates probably are better if you have the requisite flat, lateral space for them to slide out of the way. They might be a little slower operating, but there inherently is just much less load on the gate itself and on the hinges, and they are much less vulnerable to wind interference for gates that have 30% or more opaque surface (e.g., for privacy). On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:07 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so I am sending it > again just in case: > > > Thanks, Doug. I did get your message and had written something about it > in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake. There is only about > 30? between the garage doors and the gate and a single swinging gate would > create challenges parking in front of the garage, which is where we > generally park our daily drivers. > > Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square tube if I make > it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about 3/4? between > the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of the house. Wind is > definitely a concern where we are; we were in the path of Hurricane Sandy a > few years ago, although the serious damage was about 60+ miles west of us. > I am assuming the gaps between the slats (basically 6? decking boards) will > be enough. I guess that is just one more reason to seriously consider the > slider. > > Jim > > On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, > there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates: > > 1. The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the > gate, the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to > sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end and > large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking plate > from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment. > 2. Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but > if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-winds, > then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or > closing. > > You should not have either of these problems with a sliding gate. > > Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, > etc., particularly if the drive is not paved. > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you for that offer, but I don?t think it is worth your time to take >> the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just started >> researching this. >> >> The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to >> keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a thru >> lot, with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the street >> that has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks to >> my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I have a >> pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to >> time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when >> we bought the house and we?re going to redo it to make it a little better >> looking but still block the view. >> >> FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the >> spring. That doesn?t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would >> probably be something to think about with a slider. >> >> Jim >> >> On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne wrote: >> >> Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest >> people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep >> livestock in/out? >> >> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I?ll take a look at how >> much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that rides >> on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don?t overlap >> on the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary ?Y? shaped guide >> that the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily >> be on the gate. >> >> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to go >> around & get them. >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> Pat Horne >> We support Habitat for Humanity >> >> >> On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ?Thanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garage and the >> gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more >> trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding >> gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the >> gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some >> research to do. And, fabricating one 16? or so frame (I gather you need >> plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5? ones. >> Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. I?ll try to remember to >> update the list when I am done. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate >> with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. >> >> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be >> about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: >> >> https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE >> >> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran >> 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there >> anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the >> low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the >> gate. >> >> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if >> you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There >> really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. >> >> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, >> garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. >> >> I can send photos if you would like. >> >> best, >> >> doug >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The driveway opening is just over 13?, so two 6 1/2? gates. The gates >>> are about 40? from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc >>> conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in >>> the garage. I?ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty >>> reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual >>> transfer switch) so losing power wouldn?t be too big a deal. The back is >>> pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn?t be >>> any easier than just running it to the garage, so I?ll probably skip that. >>> Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn?t too >>> extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >>> >>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this >>> all done. We?re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and >>> construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru >>> lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main >>> entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won?t often need access to >>> the back. >>> >>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to >>> make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up >>> batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to >>> $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I?ve >>> seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list >>> recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual >>> gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted >>> satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the >>> consideration set. >>> >>> I?m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, < >>> alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Jim: >>> > >>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >>> > >>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means >>> you >>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with >>> added risk >>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to >>> ensure it >>> > closed. >>> > >>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly >>> broke the >>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as >>> there was >>> > never an snow... >>> > >>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would >>> get >>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >>> > >>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you >>> might want >>> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to >>> integrate a >>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >>> > >>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come >>> immediately >>> > to mind. >>> > >>> > ---------------- >>> > All the best, >>> > >>> > Al Fuller >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim >>> Stone >>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >>> > To: Shop Talk >>> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >>> > >>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate >>> openers? >>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a >>> dual >>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Jim >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> > http://autox.team.net/archive >>> > >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Best, >> >> Doug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com >> >> > > -- > Best, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 16:17:10 2023 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:17:10 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? In-Reply-To: References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: > Steve Ethier and Sons Keating I hate typos. Steve Ethier and Sons Heating Oddly enough, over on the Irish side of my family I do have relatives named Keating... Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From strovato at optonline.net Fri Feb 17 19:00:45 2023 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Hello. What is your favorite mechanic's work light? I'm talking about a portable, rechargeable, LED light. They usually have a hook on one end and a magnetic base. The Braun light at Harbor Freight is the sort of thing I'm talking about. https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-led-work-light-63958.html Now, just to make the question a bit harder, most of the lights I see say they charge from any USB source. They make that sound like it is a good thing. Well, I really hate having a loose USB cord that I have to work at inserting into a USB port on the light. Some of my older lights came with a base that was plugged into the wall. Then I could just take my light and set it into the base to charge. That seemed a lot more convenient than a USB. Am I the only one who feels this way? Thanks. -Steve -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From dirtbeard at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 19:16:07 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 02:16:07 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63f033fa.4a0a0220.49d3c.ac48SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63f033fa.4a0a0220.49d3c.ac48SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have a plug-in one, with a reel attached to the ceiling and now I have switched almost entirely to using that as background and a headlamp by Klein that I like very much. It is a USB chargeable one though, which I don't find a problem. Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Steven Trovato Sent: Friday, February 17, 2023 6:00:45 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] work light Hello. What is your favorite mechanic's work light? I'm talking about a portable, rechargeable, LED light. They usually have a hook on one end and a magnetic base. The Braun light at Harbor Freight is the sort of thing I'm talking about. https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-led-work-light-63958.html Now, just to make the question a bit harder, most of the lights I see say they charge from any USB source. They make that sound like it is a good thing. Well, I really hate having a loose USB cord that I have to work at inserting into a USB port on the light. Some of my older lights came with a base that was plugged into the wall. Then I could just take my light and set it into the base to charge. That seemed a lot more convenient than a USB. Am I the only one who feels this way? Thanks. -Steve -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Fri Feb 17 20:09:12 2023 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 22:09:12 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: I've said it before but I'm a huge, huge fan of LED headlamps.? There's a lot to be said for always having your light aimed where you're looking while having both hands free.? I have several headlamps but my EDC is an ArmyTek Wizard Pro.? It wasn't cheap but I think I could probably run over it with my truck and it'd still work.? It spits out a wide, diffuse light that doesn't have any central "hot spots" which means it's great for working up close but it has brighter modes that make it good enough for walking at night. It does have an overnight USB charger but since it uses a bog-standard 18650 li-ion battery, you can remove the battery and charge it in any li-ion charger that charges 18650 cells.? I have an inexpensive Nitecore i4 charger. J From strovato at optonline.net Fri Feb 17 21:10:02 2023 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <63BCA10B0256833A@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. -Steve At 10:09 PM 2/17/2023, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I've said it before but I'm a huge, >huge fan of LED headlamps. There's >a lot to be said for always having your light aimed where you're looking >while having both hands free. I have several headlamps but my EDC is an >ArmyTek Wizard Pro. It wasn't cheap but I think I could probably run >over it with my truck and it'd still work. It spits out a wide, diffuse >light that doesn't have any central "hot spots" which means it's great >for working up close but it has brighter modes that make it good enough >for walking at night. > >It does have an overnight USB charger but since it uses a >bog-standard 18650 li-ion battery, you can remove the battery and >charge it in any li-ion charger that charges 18650 cells. I have an >inexpensive Nitecore i4 charger. > >J -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From strovato at optonline.net Fri Feb 17 21:15:13 2023 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:15:13 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are a lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a magnet connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. -Steve At 10:09 PM 2/17/2023, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I've said it before but I'm a huge, >huge fan of LED headlamps. There's >a lot to be said for always having your light aimed where you're looking >while having both hands free. I have several headlamps but my EDC is an >ArmyTek Wizard Pro. It wasn't cheap but I think I could probably run >over it with my truck and it'd still work. It spits out a wide, diffuse >light that doesn't have any central "hot spots" which means it's great >for working up close but it has brighter modes that make it good enough >for walking at night. > >It does have an overnight USB charger but since it uses a >bog-standard 18650 li-ion battery, you can remove the battery and >charge it in any li-ion charger that charges 18650 cells. I have an >inexpensive Nitecore i4 charger. > >J -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Fri Feb 17 21:34:37 2023 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:34:37 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <9de85975-fdc8-db44-9481-2d4fc51c0dc1@sackheads.org> Hi.? It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, not Nichia).?? Looking at their website, it looks like they've updated the magnetic charger since I bought mine.? If I were in the market for another one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nichia LED.? Max lumens are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very incandescent-like warm light. J On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote: > BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have?? It looks like there are a > lot of choices.? It does look like they have some that charge with a > magnet connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in > a USB. > > -Steve From rrochlin at comcast.net Sat Feb 18 05:10:41 2023 From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 07:10:41 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <9de85975-fdc8-db44-9481-2d4fc51c0dc1@sackheads.org> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <9de85975-fdc8-db44-9481-2d4fc51c0dc1@sackheads.org> Message-ID: <9E12DCFE-F161-41CC-A1A5-8157B5EED091@comcast.net> I?ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble lights. I really like both. The USB connection isn?t a problem for me and they are a great improvement over the corded lights I used for years. And the magnetic base and adjustable head is make them really versatile The only drawback is that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is removable, HF doesn?t carry a replacement. For all practical purposes when the battery goes the lights are throw aways. Best, Bob > On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: > > Hi. It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, not Nichia). Looking at their website, it looks like they've updated the magnetic charger since I bought mine. If I were in the market for another one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nichia LED. Max lumens are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very incandescent-like warm light. > > J > > > On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote: >> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are a lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a magnet connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. >> >> -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > From jblair1948 at cox.net Sat Feb 18 07:39:29 2023 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63BCA10B0256833A@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.n et> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10B0256833A@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: >OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be an interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. Well apparently my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band. I thought to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over they years I've acquired quite a few. I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have a 3 pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the house and in the shop. No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jblair1948 at cox.net Sat Feb 18 07:49:51 2023 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:49:51 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light Message-ID: At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: A P.S. to the head lights, but this pertains to any of the battery items. As I said, I've got several of the Costco one. One is each of my tool bags, one in each major tool box, and several laying around the house. I hate it when I need a battery tool and the battery has leaked and messed up the inside. So I've gotten to where I keep most of my items that are powered by small AAA, AA, etc. in 1 gal freezer bags and keep the batteries in a sandwich zip log bag and put it in with the item. Yes, it's a pain to take the batteries out when you're done, and put then in when you want to use them, but it beats having the battery leak into your item and having to through it away. Many of the new Li based batteries dont seem as bad, but I really don't like too many battery operated items. Ususally when I need them the battery is dead, even when I have 2 batteries for them. In fact, I think I only have 2 cordless tools and both are drills, my over 20yr old Makita 9V and a Kawasaki 18V. It's supprising how you can go quite sometime between uses of some of your tools, like a stud finder. So I keep that in a zip lock bag with out the batteries, my tapeless tape measue, etc. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." 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You want another button-top protected 18650 like the Panasonic NCR 18650B. -Paul On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin wrote: > I?ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble lights. I > really like both. The USB connection isn?t a problem for me and they are a > great improvement over the corded lights I used for years. And the magnetic > base and adjustable head is make them really versatile The only drawback is > that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is removable, HF doesn?t > carry a replacement. For all practical purposes when the battery goes the > lights are throw aways. > Best, > Bob > > On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield < > mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org> wrote: > > > > Hi. It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, not > Nichia). Looking at their website, it looks like they've updated the > magnetic charger since I bought mine. If I were in the market for another > one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nichia LED. Max lumens > are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very incandescent-like warm > light. > > > > J > > > > > > On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote: > >> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are a > lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a magnet > connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. > >> > >> -Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From neiljsherry at talktalk.net Sat Feb 18 10:33:16 2023 From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (Neil Sherry) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:33:16 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <1c472d85-5b09-d4d0-53d1-12e285777afc@talktalk.net> For general light I use a rechargeable 10W LED light - basically a small flood light on a stand - will get in to spaces like wheel arches - especially if I remove the stand. New acquisition for more awkward corners is a pair of LED gloves - so the light goes where my hands go. Not used a massive amount yet, but useful so far - only downside is if doing something really messy! On 18/02/2023 02:00, Steven Trovato wrote: > Hello. What is your favorite mechanic's work light?? I'm talking about > a portable, rechargeable, LED light.? They usually have a hook on one > end and a magnetic base.? The Braun light at Harbor Freight is the > sort of thing I'm talking about. > https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-led-work-light-63958.html > > Now, just to make the question a bit harder, most of the lights I see > say they charge from any USB source.? They make that sound like it is > a good thing.? Well, I really hate having a loose USB cord that I have > to work at inserting into a USB port on the light.? Some of my older > lights came with a base that was plugged into the wall.? Then I could > just take my light and set it into the base to charge.? That seemed a > lot more convenient than a USB.? Am I the only one who feels this > way?? Thanks. > > -Steve > > From ejrussell61 at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 10:58:49 2023 From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:58:49 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <9de85975-fdc8-db44-9481-2d4fc51c0dc1@sackheads.org> <9E12DCFE-F161-41CC-A1A5-8157B5EED091@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm sure they are very useful but I can't help but think of the ad in the Hazard Fraught flyer... https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php?topic=771.0 EjR On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM Paul Parkanzky wrote: > You can get those batteries super cheaply on Amazon. You want another > button-top protected 18650 like the Panasonic NCR 18650B. > > -Paul > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin > wrote: > >> I?ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble lights. >> I really like both. The USB connection isn?t a problem for me and they are >> a great improvement over the corded lights I used for years. And the >> magnetic base and adjustable head is make them really versatile The only >> drawback is that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is removable, >> HF doesn?t carry a replacement. For all practical purposes when the battery >> goes the lights are throw aways. >> Best, >> Bob >> > On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield < >> mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hi. It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, not >> Nichia). Looking at their website, it looks like they've updated the >> magnetic charger since I bought mine. If I were in the market for another >> one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nichia LED. Max lumens >> are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very incandescent-like warm >> light. >> > >> > J >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote: >> >> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are a >> lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a magnet >> connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. >> >> >> >> -Steve >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From strovato at optonline.net Sat Feb 18 11:11:30 2023 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 13:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63BCA12B02780084@altprdrgo06.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Stuart, My understanding of the ArmyTek one is that it quickly attaches and detaches from the headband so you can use it as a head lamp or as a separate light. As I was the one asking in the first place, I obviously have no actual experience with this. I am just looking at their website. -Steve At 12:08 PM 2/18/2023, stuart wrote: >I am following this with interest.? I have a >headlamp that I use for all sorts of things but >I find that crawling under a vehicle I sometimes >want to have the light come from a different >direction and a magnetic light with (or not) a >cord is handy.? My zillion year old fluorescent >light has truly died and it is time to move to an LED version. > >? > >I find this discussion has perfect timing.? Thanks. > >? > * Stuart. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 11:42:39 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:42:39 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Yes, I was slow to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentioned before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked quite well. I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbing. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of work. I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy hands on them to change them out, etc. I recently bought this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the longer jobs: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Light-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about perfect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if you want a stationary light. As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having both hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend. Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quality work because I can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc. best, doug On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Pat Horne wrote: > Sharper Image? > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 18, 2023, at 10:32 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > ? > At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: > > >OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to > >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before > seeking out > >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big > of a deal in > >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is > easier, but I > >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with > wireless > >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether > for > >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have > had a > >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. > > Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick > story about > my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be > an > interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. > Well apparently > my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and > we all > start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a > band. I thought > to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, > as I think I'd > have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. > Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that > NEAT!!! Well over > they years I've acquired quite a few. > > I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have > a 3 > pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew > one for > Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several > places in the > house and in the shop. > > No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. > > John > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-7932657105537752083_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 12:13:29 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 11:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <9de85975-fdc8-db44-9481-2d4fc51c0dc1@sackheads.org> <9E12DCFE-F161-41CC-A1A5-8157B5EED091@comcast.net> Message-ID: That is a great photo--hoping I do not look like that when I am using one.... :-) On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 10:58 AM Eric Russell wrote: > I'm sure they are very useful but I can't help but think of the ad in the > Hazard Fraught flyer... > https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php?topic=771.0 > > EjR > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM Paul Parkanzky > wrote: > >> You can get those batteries super cheaply on Amazon. You want another >> button-top protected 18650 like the Panasonic NCR 18650B. >> >> -Paul >> >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin >> wrote: >> >>> I?ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble lights. >>> I really like both. The USB connection isn?t a problem for me and they are >>> a great improvement over the corded lights I used for years. And the >>> magnetic base and adjustable head is make them really versatile The only >>> drawback is that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is removable, >>> HF doesn?t carry a replacement. For all practical purposes when the battery >>> goes the lights are throw aways. >>> Best, >>> Bob >>> > On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield < >>> mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi. It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, not >>> Nichia). Looking at their website, it looks like they've updated the >>> magnetic charger since I bought mine. If I were in the market for another >>> one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nichia LED. Max lumens >>> are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very incandescent-like warm >>> light. >>> > >>> > J >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote: >>> >> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are a >>> lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a magnet >>> connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. >>> >> >>> >> -Steve >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> > >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 12:43:43 2023 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 14:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <20230218163314.7DF4BA0A02@autox.team.net> References: <370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10B0256833A@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <20230218163314.7DF4BA0A02@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Speaking of Costco, I bought this light there several years ago and find it very handy. The two slide lights detach, have magnetic bases and they make nice small work lights on their own. It provides a lot of aim-able light, especially when all three are lit at once. Costco appears to be out of stock online on it at the moment, but they may be in stores. They also sell them on Amazon, but they are almost twice the price there. https://www.costco.com/epower-360-rechargeable-led-worklight-%2526-spotlight.product.100729951.html? ePOWER 360 Rechargeable LED Worklight & Spotlight costco.com https://www.amazon.com/ePOWER-360-2000-LUMENS/dp/B08KJJSH4J/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=ePOWER+360&qid=1676748981&sr=8-2? 2000 LUMENS amazon.com > On Feb 18, 2023, at 9:39 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > > At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: > > >OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to > >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out > >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in > >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I > >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless > >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for > >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a > >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. > > Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about > my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be an > interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. Well apparently > my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all > start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band. I thought > to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd > have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over > they years I've acquired quite a few. > > I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have a 3 > pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for > Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the > house and in the shop. > > No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. > > John > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: imageService.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11394 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 41SuilueP2L._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA412,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZZZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 66602 bytes Desc: not available URL: From strovato at optonline.net Sat Feb 18 13:46:29 2023 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <63BCA108027E04E0@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) It looks like that one does not come with a strap. Did you buy that or one of the choices with a strap? As I don't have anything right now, I guess I would need to get a strap one way or the other. -Steve At 01:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: >Yes, I? was slow to adopt them too (I thought >it was frivolous as mentioned before) and >started off with a cheap pair as a gift that >actually worked quite well. I first used them >crawling under the house to do some plumbing. >They have about 4 hours of battery life and are >good enough for that type of work. I found >myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of work. > >I started doing some longer jobs in the shop >(e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the >rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), >and they tend to run down in the middle of a >job, and then you need to put your greasy hands >on them to change them out, etc. > >I recently bought? this Klein for $30 from Home >Depot (free shipping) and it lasts 9 hours on >high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the longer jobs: > >https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Light-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013-927000636775018 >40&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds > >They make brighter ones as well, but I find that >this one is just about perfect for doing >mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches >quickly if you want a stationary light. > >As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, >and having? both hands free and having a bright >light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend.? > >Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am >faster and do better-quality work because I can >just see better now, especially fitting nuts in >tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in >engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc. > >best, > >doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 18:36:29 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:36:29 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <17aa01d94402$97952e60$c6bf8b20$@gmail.com> Regarding: ?As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having both hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend. ?? YUP!! I had pretty good eyesight all my life until I went to professional school in my 40?s, where I had to read ~300-400 pages a day, plus my day job! I fought the conventional wisdom that we need more light as we age, but at some point I got more light on the case as I was working on the cars, and BAM ? life changed. I?m now looking at 70 late this year, and I can tell you ?they? are right. As we age, we need magnitudes more light to see the same things we saw when younger. I don?t fight it, it?s just the way it is. I?m just glad we have great products coming out these days!! ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of old dirtbeard Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 10:43 AM To: Pat Horne Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Yes, I was slow to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentioned before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked quite well. I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbing. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of work. I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy hands on them to change them out, etc. I recently bought this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the longer jobs: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Light-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about perfect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if you want a stationary light. As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having both hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend. Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quality work because I can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc. best, doug On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Pat Horne > wrote: Sharper Image? Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 18, 2023, at 10:32 AM, John T. Blair > wrote: ? At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: >OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be an interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. Well apparently my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band. I thought to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over they years I've acquired quite a few. I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have a 3 pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the house and in the shop. No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. John Virus-free. www.avast.com John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com -- Best, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 19:42:42 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 02:42:42 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63f13a5a.050a0220.0ad0.49b0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> <63f13a5a.050a0220.0ad0.49b0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It has a pretty good strap shown on one of the later photos of you scroll to the right. Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Steven Trovato Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 12:46:29 PM To: old dirtbeard ; Pat Horne Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light It looks like that one does not come with a strap. Did you buy that or one of the choices with a strap? As I don't have anything right now, I guess I would need to get a strap one way or the other. -Steve At 01:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: Yes, I? was slow to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentioned before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked quite well. I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbing. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of work. I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy hands on them to change them out, etc. I recently bought? this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the longer jobs: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Light-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about perfect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if you want a stationary light. As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having? both hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend.? Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quality work because I can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc. best, doug [https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free.www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From strovato at optonline.net Sat Feb 18 20:12:49 2023 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 22:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63EE6762009738B2@cmx-alt-rgin006.mx-altice.prod.cloud.sync hronoss.net> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> <63f13a5a.050a0220.0ad0.49b0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <63EE6762009738B2@cmx-alt-rgin006.mx-altice.prod.cloud.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <63BCA12B028E7B5B@altprdrgo06.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Q:Does it include a strap or a mount? A: Klein Tools 56062 Rechargeable Headlamp and Work Light easily attaches directly to a Klein Hard Hat or Safety Helmet with mount, or Klein Tools' bracketed strap, and can also mount to any ferrous surface with its convenient integrated magnet. Klein Hard Hats with mounts and Klein bracketed straps are sold separately. byKlein Tools|Nov 14, 2022 At 09:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: >It has a pretty good strap shown on one of the later photos of you >scroll to the right. > >Best, > >Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 20:18:20 2023 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 03:18:20 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] work light In-Reply-To: <63f193be.0c0a0220.1bc24.1f78SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> <63f13a5a.050a0220.0ad0.49b0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <63EE6762009738B2@cmx-alt-rgin006.mx-altice.prod.cloud.synchronoss.net> <63f193be.0c0a0220.1bc24.1f78SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sorry, writing link: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Light-Array-LED-Headlamp-with-Adjustable-Fabric-Strap-260-Lumens-2-Modes-56049/313136261?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=Cj0KCQiAi8KfBhCuARIsADp-A54_YT7MMuhrXi17LpHfkqJRSKEpBoc-SuBE1cwzSyO2PnDe84q23s4aAvJvEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#overlay This one should be right Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Steven Trovato Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 7:12:49 PM To: old dirtbeard ; Pat Horne Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Q:Does it include a strap or a mount? A: Klein Tools 56062 Rechargeable Headlamp and Work Light easily attaches directly to a Klein Hard Hat or Safety Helmet with mount, or Klein Tools' bracketed strap, and can also mount to any ferrous surface with its convenient integrated magnet. Klein Hard Hats with mounts and Klein bracketed straps are sold separately. byKlein Tools|Nov 14, 2022 At 09:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: >It has a pretty good strap shown on one of the later photos of you >scroll to the right. > >Best, > >Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: