From jniolon at att.net  Wed Aug  2 13:20:04 2023
From: jniolon at att.net (john)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:20:04 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop 
tinkerer/classic truck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting 
ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and 
that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
 
Won't 
be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop 
guy at home
 
https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-
Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-
lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1    
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 14:10:24 2023
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:10:24 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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I have a DeWalt cordless drill. It has performed well. After many years the
batteries don't last as long as they used to. And of course a new drill
with new batteries & charger would cost less than replacing just the
batteries. And the current batteries are not backwards compatible.

EjR

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:03?PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop
> tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque
> setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks
> and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what
> month it is.
>
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above
> average shop guy at home
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
>
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00
> don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying
> case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>
> john
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Wed Aug  2 14:23:52 2023
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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John, I?ve been using DeWalt t power tools since the early 90s while building houses with Habitat for Humanity & am very pleased with them. They now have brushless motors which produce more torque & last the battery lasts longer on each charge compared to earlier models. 

Check out CPO outlets (cpooutlets.com) they sell factory refurbished tools & excess stock. I have not been able to tell the difference between what they sell & what Home Depot sells, including paperwork & box. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?
what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1    
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 14:25:33 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:25:33 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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I started with blemished/reconditioned Ryobi One+ tools from DirectTool
(they are at the outlet mall near me, but also online).

https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/

In ten years, ten tools and six batteries, I've only had one battery
failure.  The pros I work with turn up their noses at them, but for what I
do they are just fine.

Drill-driver and impact driver plus 2 batteries and a charger for $100

https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/product/ZRPCL1200K2

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 16:13 john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop
> tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque
> setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks
> and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what
> month it is.
>
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above
> average shop guy at home
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
>
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00
> don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying
> case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>
> john
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Wed Aug  2 14:28:11 2023
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:28:11 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that light & I?ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v units. But what?s the fun in ?getting by?!

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?
what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1    
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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From doug at dougbraun.com  Wed Aug  2 14:30:13 2023
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:30:13 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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I have this Makita drill:
https://www.amazon.com/Makita-XFD15ZB-Lithium-Ion-Sub-Compact-Driver-Drill/dp/B09BXZTGR1
It's extra-compact, but insanely strong.  I ended up getting some other
Makita tools that use the same batteries.

If DeWalt also sells a full-power compact drill, you should consider it.
They are lighter, and will fit in more places.

Doug

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:10?PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop
> tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque
> setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks
> and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what
> month it is.
>
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above
> average shop guy at home
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
>
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00
> don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying
> case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>
> john
> _______________________________________________
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 14:57:35 2023
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:57:35 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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I went through this decision not that long ago. I focused mostly on Dewalt and Milwaukee, but also gave serious consideration to Craftsman and Ryobi. I went with Milwaukee M18 in the end because already have their M12 tools and liked the fact that one charger could handle both batteries. I like the M18 tools a lot, but am not sure I?d make the same decision today for two related reasons. First, I am cheap and Dewalt (and the others) seem to go on sale pretty regularly. Significant Milwaukee sales are rare. The other reason is that the other manufacturers seem to have more tools available and they are introducing additional ones more frequently.  I used to buy tools from multiple brands and have too many different batteries and chargers. I am determined to stay focused on one brand and going with someone other than Milwaukee would have made that cheaper and easier. I know you are only looking at a drill right now, but it doesn?t hurt to think ahead to other tools you might want. 

Hope that helps. 

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>  
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
>  
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1    
>  
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>  
> john
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Wed Aug  2 15:17:58 2023
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:17:58 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed Aug  2 15:24:50 2023
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:24:50 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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I?ve been pleased with my Craftsman, purchased from Ace Hardware. Stanley Black & Decker supplies them now.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:02 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>  
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
>  
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1    
>  
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>  
> john
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From lists at dinospider.com  Wed Aug  2 16:04:27 2023
From: lists at dinospider.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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 ? So what you are saying is Festool is out of the question :)

 ? I have a Milwaukee kit that is 12v, purchased as a kit for $250, its 
2 tools, a drill and a impact driver.?? I really like the setup and i 
looked into M18 drills since I liked it so much but found the weight to 
be too much so stuck with 12v.? Higher voltage is nice but weight goes 
up quickly and if you are doing any work above your head that will tire 
you out quickly.

 ?I do have a Festool drill also and those batteries last forever, I 
only have the Festool though because I loaned out my Milwaukee drill one 
time and needed a drill with a offset chuck, for a homeowner/hobbyist I 
do readily admit I have too many Festool toys.? The Milwaukee does 
everything the Festool does for 1/4th the price, except for the offset 
chuck.

 ??? mike


> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop 
> tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque 
> setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred 
> bucks? and that's pretty much in my budget.? It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what 
> month it is.
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above 
> average shop guy at home
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1> 
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 
> 150.00?? don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers 
> and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
> john
> _______________________________________________
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From parkanzky at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 16:18:29 2023
From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 18:18:29 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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I have an assortment of Bosch 18V, Milwaukee M18, and Milwaukee M12. 

They?re all great. I have the M18 1/2? high-torque impact gun and it?s an absolute beast. I have two of the Bosch 18V impact drivers and they?re awesome but depending on the job the M12 ?assembly driver? or the M12 fuel impact driver are handier.

My experience with the M12 stuff is that if it has ?Fuel? on the side of it it?s going to be pretty good. Not quite as heavy duty as the M18 but way lighter. I have the oscillating multi-tool, the ?Hackzall,? the high speed ratchet (life changing), and tons of other stuff.  One of my favorites lately is the M12 inflator. Screw it onto a tire, set the pressure, hit ?go? and walk away. It fills it while you do other stuff. It?s awesome for picking trailers or stored vehicles up at my barn and finding a low tire.

I?m a huge fan of the M12 stuff and if I didn?t need the M18 batteries to run the big impact gun or the hedge trimmer/pole saw/edger/string trimmer I would go exclusively M12.

-Paul

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 6:02 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that light & I?ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v units. But what?s the fun in ?getting by?!
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>  
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
>  
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1    
>  
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>  
> john
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From mbarre at juno.com  Wed Aug  2 17:43:35 2023
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:43:35 GMT
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
Message-ID: <20230802.194335.19699.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

I have been happy with the Ryobi. Handles my heavy homeowner tasks well, reasonable cost, often on sale, huge variety of tools.

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From: "john" <jniolon at att.net>
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Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:20:04 -0500


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what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop 
tinkerer/classic truck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting 
ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and 
that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
 
Won't 
be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop 
guy at home
 
https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-
Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-
lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1    
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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From szwedj at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 18:52:40 2023
From: szwedj at gmail.com (Joe Szwed)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:52:40 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
Message-ID: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com>

To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may offer other tools you may like.  Once you have a couple batteries, you can add tools by buying them without batteries.  I started with the 18v Dewalt and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2? impact.  The Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.  I had heard a lot of good things about Milwaukee?s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot with a battery and a charger.  Then I picked up a new in the box tool only 1/2? impact off eBay.  It worked out well enough for me that I have added other tools as needed.  I bought a 1/2? drill, sawzall, 4? disc grinder, multi tool, die grinder and I?m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun next.  I?ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.

Joe

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From szwedj at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 19:00:13 2023
From: szwedj at gmail.com (Joe Szwed)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 21:00:13 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
Message-ID: <740D3662-199C-406B-A028-3A44B6A5B4D9@gmail.com>

I forgot to mention it but like someone else did, with Milwaukee cordless tools, I believe the better tools are all pretty much in their Fuel line.

Joe

Sent from my iPhone

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 19:42:58 2023
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:42:58 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
In-Reply-To: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com>
References: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YBU6PU5e64=f3FfZb=Evx5pzGk+-t6kycy9X7Bx8P2uoA@mail.gmail.com>

You should see the new 20v Dewalt DCF-900 impact.  Over 800ft-lbs in a
1/2-inch impact.  Best you can buy right now.  I have used it to remove the
lug nuts from a tandem axle dump truck.  I have yet to encounter ANYTHING
that I could not get loose with it.  Including the axle shackles that broke
the bolts rather than come loose.  Seriously this thing isa BEAST!

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:07?PM Joe Szwed <szwedj at gmail.com> wrote:

> To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may
> offer other tools you may like.  Once you have a couple batteries, you can
> add tools by buying them without batteries.  I started with the 18v Dewalt
> and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2? impact.  The
> Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.  I had heard a lot of
> good things about Milwaukee?s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being
> on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot
> with a battery and a charger.  Then I picked up a new in the box tool only
> 1/2? impact off eBay.  It worked out well enough for me that I have added
> other tools as needed.  I bought a 1/2? drill, sawzall, 4? disc grinder,
> multi tool, die grinder and I?m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun
> next.  I?ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added
> so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.
>
> Joe
>
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From stearman809 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 20:29:24 2023
From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2023 21:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
In-Reply-To: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com>
References: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <189b93a77a0.2805.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com>

I got good use out of a 14V DeWalt drill over 20 years, but the batteries 
were a big bother and expense.  I gave up on genuine DeWalt batteries early 
on because all they offered then was NiCad and they're just a pain, with 
their low capacity, memory issues, and no smart charger/conditioner.  Began 
buying NiMH Chinese ones off eBay and had far better luck.  But technology 
advanced and my drill was relatively weak and had no hammer capability.  I 
was still using corded drills when I needed power or had lots of work to do.

Then in about 2000 I got a Christmas deal on a Milwaukee Fuel 18V hammer 
drill and 1/4" impact set with 2 batteries, plus another battery free, from 
Homey.  All 5AH batteries, both tools are Fuel (meaning brushless - 
powerful and not battery hungry).  Batteries are computer equipped and 
sense load, temp, and state of charge.  Charger is fast, though they do 
sell even faster ones that do 2 batteries at once if you're a contractor.

For me these are pretty perfect.  The impact handles not only construction 
work but most automotive stuff too.  I still need a real impact for big 
things, but the battery one is fine for run of the mill fasteners.  My $230 
investment was well worth it, and I almost never charge batteries any more.

I recently added the 18V Fuel Multi tool after my second Horrible Fart one 
broke just after the warrantee.  Comparatively quiet, powerful, and fast 
tool changes.  Incredibly handy.  And I already have batteries.

Karl

On August 2, 2023 7:57:43 PM Joe Szwed <szwedj at gmail.com> wrote:

> To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may 
> offer other tools you may like.  Once you have a couple batteries, you can 
> add tools by buying them without batteries.  I started with the 18v Dewalt 
> and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2? impact.  The 
> Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.  I had heard a lot of 
> good things about Milwaukee?s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being 
> on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot 
> with a battery and a charger.  Then I picked up a new in the box tool only 
> 1/2? impact off eBay.  It worked out well enough for me that I have added 
> other tools as needed.  I bought a 1/2? drill, sawzall, 4? disc grinder, 
> multi tool, die grinder and I?m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun 
> next.  I?ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added 
> so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From peterwmurray at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 20:45:46 2023
From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 22:45:46 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
In-Reply-To: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop>
References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop>
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Message-ID: <CAJ8HLP9m-6bHFkjubnb9DN8dOmuQn2MQF3u-jjc=LHMoOPRPtA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll throw in with the group that is quite happy with the Ryobi tools. I
find the termination of lines of batteries (forcing an expensive battery
guts replacement) terribly frustrating, so I like that Ryobi's 18v tools
all (that I've seen) interchange. Started with a drill/reciprocating saw
combo, then got a blower/weed eater combo, then multi-tool, sander, extra
batteries - all when found on sale. I've found no incompatibilities between
batteries and tools, and despite some ham-handling on my family's part,
they've all survived.

Plus, when they're in a Project Farm lineup, quite often they seem to end
up towards the upper part of the pack.

In fact, right now, you can pick up a drill/driver/hammer with two
batteries for $129 at Home Depot. They're having a sale.

Link to sale page here
<https://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools/RYOBI/Super-Savings/N-5yc1vZc1xyZm5dZ1z1phe1?sortorder=asc&sortby=price&Nao=24>
.

-Peter

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:15?PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop
> tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque
> setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks
> and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what
> month it is.
>
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above
> average shop guy at home
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
>
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00
> don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying
> case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>
> john
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From drew at DasRogges.com  Wed Aug  2 21:57:53 2023
From: drew at DasRogges.com (Drew Rogge)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:57:53 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
In-Reply-To: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop>
References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop>
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I have a couple of Dewalt cordless drills and a corded one.. The chucks on all three were/are junk. The chuck on the corded drill would never grab on to a bit. I eventually replaced the chuck with one from an old 7V(?) Makita and all was better. The chucks on my newer Dewalt cordless units both have the "feature" that every time you stop the motor from high RPMs they will "automatically" loosen to where the bit falls out :-) It could be the braking feature of the drill doing this.

To end on a positive note, my cordless tools of choice are Makita 18V. As far as I know the same batteries fit all their tools. If I didn't already hav a number of Makita tools I'd seriously think about Milwaukee.

One thing I truly believe in is to pick one manufacturer and stick with them. That way you don't have a bunch of different chargers hanging around.\

Drew

On 8/2/23 12:20 PM, john wrote:
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks? and that's pretty much in my budget.? It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 <https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00?? don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
> john
>
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 05:10:18 2023
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 06:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
In-Reply-To: <caaafb61-0371-ea24-2fe8-660eb3265dee@DasRogges.com>
References: <caaafb61-0371-ea24-2fe8-660eb3265dee@DasRogges.com>
Message-ID: <846900A5-4F44-4D96-AC3E-D8B929F56C70@gmail.com>

One more thing to add to this discussion: I have been amazed at all of the battery adapters that are now available. I have a bunch of old Craftsman C3 18v tools that I still use from time to time.  I bought an adapter that lets me use my Milwaukee batteries with them.  I am currently borrowing a friend?s very nice Dewalt nailer that uses their old style batteries. He has an Dewalt adapter that allows him to use their newer batteries with it. I found one that converts the M18 batteries. Many of these are cheaply made but do the trick and can add life and usefulness to old tools. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 11:15 PM, Drew Rogge <drew at dasrogges.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have a couple of Dewalt cordless drills and a corded one.. The chucks on all three were/are junk. The chuck on the corded drill would never grab on to a bit. I eventually replaced the chuck with one from an old 7V(?) Makita and all was better. The chucks on my newer Dewalt cordless units both have the "feature" that every time you stop the motor from high RPMs they will "automatically" loosen to where the bit falls out :-) It could be the braking feature of the drill doing this.
> 
> To end on a positive note, my cordless tools of choice are Makita 18V. As far as I know the same batteries fit all their tools. If I didn't already hav a number of Makita tools I'd seriously think about Milwaukee.
> 
> One thing I truly believe in is to pick one manufacturer and stick with them. That way you don't have a bunch of different chargers hanging around.\
> 
> Drew
> 
>> On 8/2/23 12:20 PM, john wrote:
>> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
>> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
>> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
>> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
>> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 <https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1>
>> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
>> couple of batteries
>> john
>> 
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Thu Aug  3 06:17:02 2023
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:17:02 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
Message-ID: <6D2D4481-C43C-4796-800D-E4EDD2FC0023@comcast.net>

	I?ve got a number of Ridged power tools from Home Depot.  I?ve found them to be rugged and reliable. When I got my impact wrench I originally got the heavy duty !/2 inch model  because it was on sale, but returned it for the lighter1/2 impact wrench they offered which suits my needs perfectly for a combination of power, weight, and size.  The best part about buying Ridged tools are that, if you register them when you buy them, the tools and batteries are guaranteed for as long as you own the tools. I also have a Milwaukee 3/8 power socket wrench that I really like because it is relatively powerful and fast.  I?ve got a complement of older pneumatic tools that I seldom use except when raw power is the answer.
	Best,
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From shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org  Thu Aug  3 07:42:40 2023
From: shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org (Ian McFetridge)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 09:42:40 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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I'll add another vote for Makita.  I have a bunch of the 18V with 5Ah
batteries and a couple double-battery fast chargers.  As other said, I like
being able to use the batteries in everything from my drill or impact to my
string trimmer or leaf blower.  I have a 2Ah IIRC in a small drill that is
quite light and easy to carry up ladders, etc.

Best,
Ian

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:14?PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop
> tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque
> setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks
> and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what
> month it is.
>
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above
> average shop guy at home
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
>
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00
> don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying
> case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>
> john
> _______________________________________________
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 08:13:56 2023
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:13:56 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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Like Joe, I ended settling on the Milwaukee M18 tools.  Started out with
the 3/8" Fuel impact and then the hammer drill and next was the 1/2" impact
with 1400 ft/lbs of torque.  I've since collected 18 tools and counting.  I
suspect every brand has their selling points and you probably can't go
wrong with whichever one you choose.  I probably choose Milwaukee brand
because I had one of their corded 4-1/2" grinders that was just awesome.
The important thing is to select a platform and run with it (no pun
intended!).

Brad

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 9:06?PM Joe Szwed <szwedj at gmail.com> wrote:

> To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may
> offer other tools you may like.  Once you have a couple batteries, you can
> add tools by buying them without batteries.  I started with the 18v Dewalt
> and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2? impact.  The
> Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.  I had heard a lot of
> good things about Milwaukee?s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being
> on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot
> with a battery and a charger.  Then I picked up a new in the box tool only
> 1/2? impact off eBay.  It worked out well enough for me that I have added
> other tools as needed.  I bought a 1/2? drill, sawzall, 4? disc grinder,
> multi tool, die grinder and I?m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun
> next.  I?ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added
> so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.
>
> Joe
>
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 09:50:52 2023
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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> On Aug 2, 2023, at 16:57, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that light & I?ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v units. But what?s the fun in ?getting by?!

I own an inordinate number of Milwaukee cordless tools, across m18 and m12.  I rarely  use the m18 drills or impact drivers, using the m12 Fuel stuff instead. It?s lighter, smaller, and gets the job done.  If you are buying, it?s cheaper, too.  M18 makes sense for saws and grinders, though the mini portaband is awesome, even with nly a 3? cut.  Remember, good modern 12v stuff is better than any cordless tool was 20 years ago, any brand any voltage. 

 I would use the m18 drills and drivers if I were building a deck or something where there are lots of long screws.  It?s not that the m12 impact won?t sink 3? deck screws, it totally will, but the m18 is faster.  For most things, this doesn?t matter.  Consider a job like hanging a door. You might be sinking 20 screws. If it takes 10 seconds longer per screw, it?s three minutes extra for the whole job. Big deal, light weight wins.  For a deck, where there are hundreds of screws, it matters more, but if I only had my m12 stuff, I would not rush out and buy the m18. 

I see lots of plumbers and electricians who only use m18 for the special tools that need it, routine use stuff is all m12. 



From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Thu Aug  3 12:28:27 2023
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 14:28:27 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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Rememebr you're buying a platform unless you're from another planet and will only ever buy the drill :-)

For home maintenance hobbyist car stuff the Ryobi will be fine. For "I'm putting an addition on my house" then I like DeWalt 20v stuff. 

Ryobi had a 4" or so circular saw an ex lent me and it was great for cutting cedar shingles while on a pitched roof. Anything heavier/stronger would have been unusable. Ryobi also has a line of garden tools that might share a battery platform. 

jim

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:20 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>  
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
>  
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 <https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1>    
>  
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>  
> john
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From eric at megageek.com  Thu Aug  3 14:47:25 2023
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:47:25 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.

I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are 
solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.

They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li 
batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they 
will work with the new batteries.

I often found that I ended up with a few 'combo' kits that had duplicate 
tools in them.  But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they 
seem to change part numbers like the weather.  I have about 4 circ saws, 
all with different parts numbers and each one is slightly different.  So 
it's impossible to compare them to other brands, and even themselves.  But 
they have a 4", 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So 
you can get the size(s) that you need.

The good news is, that you can get a 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 
'compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with 
dewalt.

With that said, the only tool I will NOT recommend from Dewalt is their 
electric chainsaw.  It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to 
address.  (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single 
plastic screw to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you 
can't even tighten it much.

I wrote dewalt after i purchased the chainsaw and they never responded. So 
I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt.  I 
also bought the pole chainsaw from them.  So those are my only red tools.

But every other dewalt tool I have has been great. 

Oh, except if you have to remove their chucks.  A TERRIBLE design and if 
you want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one.

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From patintexas at icloud.com  Thu Aug  3 16:31:22 2023
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:31:22 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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Thanks, Moose for your input. I?ve been using DeWalt since the 14.4v days building houses & haven?t had enough trouble to mention (except for the anemic 14.4v circular saw). I?ve cut back on my housebuilding lately but still buy a tool or two from time to time. If cordless, then they are DeWalt. 

I also see lots of specialty tools coming out of Milwaukee that I don?t see from other companies which is good for them but since I?m not needing to do those trades all the time, I?m not interested in changing colors. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:21 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:

?OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in. 

I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are solid and have tools you've never even heard of before. 

They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries. 

I often found that I ended up with a few 'combo' kits that had duplicate tools in them.  But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to change part numbers like the weather.  I have about 4 circ saws, all with different parts numbers and each one is slightly different.  So it's impossible to compare them to other brands, and even themselves.  But they have a 4", 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So you can get the size(s) that you need. 

The good news is, that you can get a 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 'compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with dewalt. 

With that said, the only tool I will NOT recommend from Dewalt is their electric chainsaw.  It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to address.  (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighten it much. 

I wrote dewalt after i purchased the chainsaw and they never responded.  So I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt.  I also bought the pole chainsaw from them.  So those are my only red tools. 

But every other dewalt tool I have has been great.   

Oh, except if you have to remove their chucks.  A TERRIBLE design and if you want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one. 

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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 18:58:59 2023
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:17?PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>
> OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.
>
> I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.
>
> They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries.
>

One of the reasons the old nicad tools are cheap is because they suck,
compared to modern tools of any brand, even cheap ones.  They're
designed around the power output of the battery pack, and the nicad or
NiMH batteries didn't provide much power.  This is perfectly fine for
things that don't draw much power, but it's pretty limiting for
anything that drills, saws, or grinds.   it's also why cordless saws
used to be so incredibly gutless, but there are now cordless table
saws that work as well as most jobsite corded table saws.

Discharge current of a sub-c nicad (the cell in most nicad tool
battery packs)  is somewhere around 2 to 4 A; the lithium cells used
in modern tools can produce 10 to 30A depending on the particular
cells in the pack; milwaukee high output packs[1] (which use
physically larger 21700 cells, instead of 18650 in their other packs,
and commonly used by everyone else) can go even higher.  That means
18V lithium packs with three sets of cells in parallel have more
potential power output than a 15A 120V receptacle, and tools with a
pair of batteries (common for miter and table saws) are quite capable
of taking advantage of that.

[1] pretty sure other brands have 21700 packs, too.

-- 
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dmscheidt at gmail.com

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 19:36:37 2023
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 20:36:37 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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The Dewalt 20v 6ah pack uses 21700 cells as well.  Expensive, but there is
a noticeable improvement for SOME tools.  The DCF-900 storm-bringer 1/2
impact driver benefits from the extra current.  The 1/2" hammer drill I
have does not seem to care about it.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:32?PM David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:17?PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.
> >
> > I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are
> solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.
> >
> > They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li
> batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they
> will work with the new batteries.
> >
>
> One of the reasons the old nicad tools are cheap is because they suck,
> compared to modern tools of any brand, even cheap ones.  They're
> designed around the power output of the battery pack, and the nicad or
> NiMH batteries didn't provide much power.  This is perfectly fine for
> things that don't draw much power, but it's pretty limiting for
> anything that drills, saws, or grinds.   it's also why cordless saws
> used to be so incredibly gutless, but there are now cordless table
> saws that work as well as most jobsite corded table saws.
>
> Discharge current of a sub-c nicad (the cell in most nicad tool
> battery packs)  is somewhere around 2 to 4 A; the lithium cells used
> in modern tools can produce 10 to 30A depending on the particular
> cells in the pack; milwaukee high output packs[1] (which use
> physically larger 21700 cells, instead of 18650 in their other packs,
> and commonly used by everyone else) can go even higher.  That means
> 18V lithium packs with three sets of cells in parallel have more
> potential power output than a 15A 120V receptacle, and tools with a
> pair of batteries (common for miter and table saws) are quite capable
> of taking advantage of that.
>
> [1] pretty sure other brands have 21700 packs, too.
>
> --
> David Scheidt
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 20:52:53 2023
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 21:52:53 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill
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On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:36?PM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Dewalt 20v 6ah pack uses 21700 cells as well.  Expensive, but there is a noticeable improvement for SOME tools.  The DCF-900 storm-bringer 1/2 impact driver benefits from the extra current.  The 1/2" hammer drill I have does not seem to care about it.
>

Motors have a maximum current they can use, and a battery that can
supply higher current doesn't provide any added run time.  (that's the
case of nicad tools running on an li-ion battery).  But if you give it
less, it will produce less power.  The first cordless oscilllating
multi tool I had was an m12 that came with a small battery, w/ one set
of sells in series.  It was garbage, couldn't cut at all, battery
lasted no time at all.  Put an XC battery on it, with two sets of
cells in parallel, and it worked much better, and the battery lasted
longer than you'd have predicted based on capacity.  (it was still
crap.  The m12 fuel currently available is worlds better, though.)

-- 
David Scheidt
dmscheidt at gmail.com

From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sat Aug  5 19:54:53 2023
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 21:54:53 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
Message-ID: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>

I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell. 

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim

From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 06:59:33 2023
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
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The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet
killing spray has eliminated them.
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm

EjR

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are
> entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have
> aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the
> wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit
> anything. Morning will tell.
>
> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest
> amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
>
> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
>
> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From pj_thomas at comcast.net  Sun Aug  6 14:08:54 2023
From: pj_thomas at comcast.net (Peter J. Thomas)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 16:08:54 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
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Same, hole in the ground, I just park a running lawn mower over it.

On 8/6/2023 8:59 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
> The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of 
> hornet killing spray has eliminated them.
> https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm
>
> EjR
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> 
> wrote:
>
>     I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They
>     are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I
>     should have aimed the can? I only had one? :-) Emptied 3/4 of it
>     into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so
>     I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell.
>
>     Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a
>     nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
>
>     (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
>
>     If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
>
>     thanks,
>     jim
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Mon Aug  7 12:20:41 2023
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:20:41 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <CAP7dBXBtQqxstEpzSZRve8n6MNV8qVtw9fy9ykYibdb6vRYtNA@mail.gmail.com>
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I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground, which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend. 

She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end. 

I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)

jim

> On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet killing spray has eliminated them. 
> https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm <https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm> 
> 
> EjR 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org <mailto:jamesf at groupwbench.org>> wrote:
> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell. 
> 
> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
> 
> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
> 
> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
> 
> thanks,
> jim
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 16:18:43 2023
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:18:43 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <B71BF8E3-4DB0-4D48-B8C0-CF1BC5708804@groupwbench.org>
References: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
 <CAP7dBXBtQqxstEpzSZRve8n6MNV8qVtw9fy9ykYibdb6vRYtNA@mail.gmail.com>
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" I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"
So suggesting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out?

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16?PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

> I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth,
> landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground,
> which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.
>
> She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it so
> I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a length
> of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a funnel in
> the T junction and blow it to the other end.
>
> I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)
>
> jim
>
> On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet
> killing spray has eliminated them.
> https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm
>
> EjR
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are
>> entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have
>> aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the
>> wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit
>> anything. Morning will tell.
>>
>> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest
>> amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
>>
>> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
>>
>> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
>>
>> thanks,
>> jim
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>>
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Mon Aug  7 16:21:59 2023
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:21:59 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
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From berry at kerch.com  Mon Aug  7 19:09:23 2023
From: berry at kerch.com (Berry Kercheval)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 18:09:23 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YDDW5b2VEhnwW_aPW5eLudaMkVhXkUPq6s18Z32kzaCbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
 <CAP7dBXBtQqxstEpzSZRve8n6MNV8qVtw9fy9ykYibdb6vRYtNA@mail.gmail.com>
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Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch!

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:

> " I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"
> So suggesting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out?
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16?PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth,
>> landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground,
>> which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.
>>
>> She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it
>> so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a
>> length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a
>> funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.
>>
>> I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)
>>
>> jim
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet
>> killing spray has eliminated them.
>> https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm
>>
>> EjR
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are
>>> entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have
>>> aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the
>>> wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit
>>> anything. Morning will tell.
>>>
>>> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest
>>> amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
>>>
>>> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
>>>
>>> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 19:31:45 2023
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <CAEbvuykOhDEERbea9bZnP=aBHHodF4zEksXPbJwQE7rS100AQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
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Umm we need to talk about the concept of proportional response.  Also the
BATFE would like a word....

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 8:09?PM Berry Kercheval <berry at kerch.com> wrote:

> Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch!
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> " I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"
>> So suggesting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16?PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth,
>>> landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground,
>>> which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.
>>>
>>> She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it
>>> so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a
>>> length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a
>>> funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.
>>>
>>> I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)
>>>
>>> jim
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of
>>> hornet killing spray has eliminated them.
>>> https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm
>>>
>>> EjR
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are
>>>> entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have
>>>> aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the
>>>> wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit
>>>> anything. Morning will tell.
>>>>
>>>> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest
>>>> amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
>>>>
>>>> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
>>>>
>>>> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> jim
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 21:42:00 2023
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:42:00 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
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> On Aug 7, 2023, at 22:10, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Umm we need to talk about the concept of proportional response.  Also the BATFE would like a word....

The word is ?Yellowjacket ?. 



From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug  8 05:34:59 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 11:34:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
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OK, Mr. McVeigh.
BTW, Diatomaceous earth is ineffective on yellow jackets.? It works on animals that will eat it like slugs and worms.
If you found the hole try putting a rock over it.? Can't hurt.

Dave 


 

    On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 09:43:34 PM CDT, Berry Kercheval <berry at kerch.com> wrote:  
 
 Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch!
On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:

"I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"So suggesting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out?

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16?PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:



I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground, which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.?
She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.?
I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)
jim


On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com> wrote:
The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet killing spray has eliminated them.?https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm?

EjR?
On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one? :-)? Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell. 

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org  Tue Aug  8 06:26:09 2023
From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 08:26:09 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
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(First attempt to reply to the list failed.? Apologies in advance if you 
eventually see two similar replies from me...)

Years ago I recall watching a video where someone had a 
difficult-to-reach wasp or hornet nest in a roof so he set up a shopvac 
where the wasps were entering and let it run for a day or so.? Something 
like this might work for your situation if your shopvac has enough 
suction.? If you also suck up some powdered insect killer like Sevin or 
diatomaceous earth, it ought to kill the wasps while they're in the 
tank.? Browsing YouTube, I see a number of similar videos but not the 
one that I recall watching.

This might be pretty effective at getting rid of the adults.? Depending 
on the side of the nest and how many eggs have been laid, you might need 
to repeat it a couple times as the young hatch and leave the nest.

J


On 8/5/23 21:54, Jim Franklin wrote:
> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell.
>
> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
>
> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
>
> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 13:19:49 2023
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 14:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Elevator for home?
Message-ID: <CAE16_w3NwGn6T0YZx_wXtxDPmShLyHrwXbbdMAgh4fetJh4d0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house?

Trustworthy brands?

Brands to avoid?

-- 
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From jimmie at sackheads.org  Sun Aug  6 21:12:30 2023
From: jimmie at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 23:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
References: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
Message-ID: <c06fd6af-3923-4073-87e6-abf599d0e5e9@sackheads.org>

I recall seeing a video where someone was trying to eradicate a 
hard-to-get-to hornet nest in a roof where they wound up leaving a 
running shopvac at the entrance to capture the hornets as they 
entered/left.  If you later suck up some powdered pesticide like Sevin 
or diatomaceous earth, it ought to kill them while trapped in the vacuum.



On 8/5/23 21:54, Jim Franklin wrote:
> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell.
> 
> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.
> 
> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)
> 
> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?
> 
> thanks,
> jim
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> 
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From neiljsherry at talktalk.net  Wed Aug  9 04:22:38 2023
From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (Neil Sherry)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:22:38 +0100
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <c06fd6af-3923-4073-87e6-abf599d0e5e9@sackheads.org>
References: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
 <c06fd6af-3923-4073-87e6-abf599d0e5e9@sackheads.org>
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I had a load of wasps arriving to set up home, accessing via a gap in 
brickwork. I used the vac for about 40 minutes to suck them up before 
they entered the crack, as well as nabbing any that came back out (was a 
bit like ghost busting). I had the vac in wet mode (so no filter or bag) 
with some water in the bottom - reasoning that they would eventually 
drop and drown - especially with the odd shake and swish. When they had 
stopped arriving I caulked up the crack and then listened for buzzing 
from the vac - there was none. When I plucked up courage to look inside, 
it looks like they had all succumbed to the sharp corner where the hose 
enters the machine - judging by the spatters there!

Neil

On 07/08/2023 04:12, Jimmie Mayfield wrote:
> I recall seeing a video where someone was trying to eradicate a 
> hard-to-get-to hornet nest in a roof where they wound up leaving a 
> running shopvac at the entrance to capture the hornets as they 
> entered/left.? If you later suck up some powdered pesticide like Sevin 
> or diatomaceous earth, it ought to kill them while trapped in the vacuum.
>
>
>

From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 13:03:05 2023
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 12:03:05 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?
In-Reply-To: <747c2cc4-433f-73c4-a4f1-164d9fc0f6d7@talktalk.net>
References: <BB26C4FF-5E4A-4F64-8957-F2E7882FE806@groupwbench.org>
 <c06fd6af-3923-4073-87e6-abf599d0e5e9@sackheads.org>
 <747c2cc4-433f-73c4-a4f1-164d9fc0f6d7@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <052401d9caf4$21822ab0$64868010$@gmail.com>

IIRC, the last time I had wasps entering into a gap in the bricks near the ground, I tried the usual wasp / bee / yellowjacket stuff - all to no avail. I called the extension service for help, and they knew what to get. 

They recommended 'Sevin' brand insect killer [to be applied with great care to not poison myself!]. It worked great.  

I think one of the keys was to puff the powder into the hole where they enter during the evening when things were dormant or slow. Making sure to spray it where they would track it into the nest would be best. I think it took a few applications, several days apart for us to no longer see anybody flying around, and then sealed up the hole in the brickwork.

If you have a local extension service, they might have a suggestion. We used to have them in every county in Michigan when I was growing up, but now I think it is consolidated. I wound up calling the one at Michigan State University.  I've moved out of state, and have no idea who I would call now - but don?t have the need yet [fingers crossed].

----------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Neil Sherry
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 3:23 AM
To: shop-talk at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall?

I had a load of wasps arriving to set up home, accessing via a gap in brickwork. I used the vac for about 40 minutes to suck them up before they entered the crack, as well as nabbing any that came back out (was a bit like ghost busting). I had the vac in wet mode (so no filter or bag) with some water in the bottom - reasoning that they would eventually drop and drown - especially with the odd shake and swish. When they had stopped arriving I caulked up the crack and then listened for buzzing from the vac - there was none. When I plucked up courage to look inside, it looks like they had all succumbed to the sharp corner where the hose enters the machine - judging by the spatters there!

Neil

On 07/08/2023 04:12, Jimmie Mayfield wrote:
> I recall seeing a video where someone was trying to eradicate a 
> hard-to-get-to hornet nest in a roof where they wound up leaving a 
> running shopvac at the entrance to capture the hornets as they 
> entered/left.  If you later suck up some powdered pesticide like Sevin 
> or diatomaceous earth, it ought to kill them while trapped in the vacuum.
>
>
>
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 17:29:11 2023
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:29:11 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation
Message-ID: <680FB325-6869-4AD9-898D-68C41BFA0CAE@gmail.com>

Are there any tiling experts here?  I am getting ready to tile my new bathroom floor and have hit a snag in my plans, which originally involved plywood underlayment, Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane and ?penny? mosaic tiles.  I?ve save the details for the moment until I know if this is worth pursuing here.

Thanks,
Jim

From bk13 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 10 11:42:33 2023
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:42:33 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation
Message-ID: <6b113442-2010-d78a-d497-64a59fa0addf@earthlink.net>

Jim - I found the forum at https://www.johnbridge.com/ to be very helpful for tile issues.  I did two bathrooms a few years ago.  I did 12x12 tiles for my floor.  The first was on a diagonal.  The second was square with the walls.  I used Ditra uncoupling membrane bought by the foot from a local flooring supply company in one bathroom over joists. I used two layers of plywood and a layer of 1/4" cement board.  My other bathroom was a concrete slab.  I used Dragon Skin (similar product to Reg Guard) as my flex layer.  Over a slab, be sure to use a concrete primer or the membrane might peel off like on my first attempt. 

For grout, I really like Custom Building Products Fusion Pro.  They say it is stain proof and has held up very well.  Read about application and micro-fiber sponges to clean as you go.  People that think they can buff off the haze the next day have issues.  I cleaned as I went and it was wonderful.

Tip - Get a nice pair of gel kneepads.

Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 10, 2023 2:24 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation

Are there any tiling experts here? I am getting ready to tile my new bathroom floor and have hit a snag in my plans, which originally involved plywood underlayment, Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane and &ldquo;penny&rdquo; mosaic tiles. I&rsquo;ve save the details for the moment until I know if this is worth pursuing here.

Thanks,
Jim
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 12:23:12 2023
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:23:12 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation
In-Reply-To: <6b113442-2010-d78a-d497-64a59fa0addf@earthlink.net>
References: <6b113442-2010-d78a-d497-64a59fa0addf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C060238D-6070-426B-A19A-D4A5BB4F13EA@gmail.com>

Thanks, Brian.  I have a very specific problem due to an incompatibility between the mosaic tile my wife bought and the uncoupling membrane (Laticrete, but I?d have the same problem with Ditra) I bought.  I will spend some time on the website and forum to see if anyone there has any suggestions.

Jim

> On Aug 10, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Jim - I found the forum at https://www.johnbridge.com/ to be very helpful for tile issues.  I did two bathrooms a few years ago.  I did 12x12 tiles for my floor.  The first was on a diagonal.  The second was square with the walls.  I used Ditra uncoupling membrane bought by the foot from a local flooring supply company in one bathroom over joists. I used two layers of plywood and a layer of 1/4" cement board.  My other bathroom was a concrete slab.  I used Dragon Skin (similar product to Reg Guard) as my flex layer.  Over a slab, be sure to use a concrete primer or the membrane might peel off like on my first attempt. 
> 
> For grout, I really like Custom Building Products Fusion Pro.  They say it is stain proof and has held up very well.  Read about application and micro-fiber sponges to clean as you go.  People that think they can buff off the haze the next day have issues.  I cleaned as I went and it was wonderful.
> 
> Tip - Get a nice pair of gel kneepads.
> 
> Brian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com>
> Sent: Aug 10, 2023 2:24 AM
> To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation
> 
> Are there any tiling experts here? I am getting ready to tile my new bathroom floor and have hit a snag in my plans, which originally involved plywood underlayment, Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane and &ldquo;penny&rdquo; mosaic tiles. I&rsquo;ve save the details for the moment until I know if this is worth pursuing here.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim
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From pj_thomas at comcast.net  Fri Aug 11 07:46:30 2023
From: pj_thomas at comcast.net (Peter J. Thomas)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:46:30 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation
In-Reply-To: <680FB325-6869-4AD9-898D-68C41BFA0CAE@gmail.com>
References: <680FB325-6869-4AD9-898D-68C41BFA0CAE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61aaa6b3-5c65-3863-0772-bc9eabed420f@comcast.net>

Did two bathrooms with hex mosaic tiles.? I'd recommend floor leveling 
compound for small tiles. If it's a small bathroom you really don't need 
uncoupling membrane.

Good Luck.
Peter

On 8/9/2023 7:29 PM, Jim Stone wrote:
> Are there any tiling experts here?  I am getting ready to tile my new bathroom floor and have hit a snag in my plans, which originally involved plywood underlayment, Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane and ?penny? mosaic tiles.  I?ve save the details for the moment until I know if this is worth pursuing here.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 07:24:36 2023
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 09:24:36 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation
In-Reply-To: <61aaa6b3-5c65-3863-0772-bc9eabed420f@comcast.net>
References: <680FB325-6869-4AD9-898D-68C41BFA0CAE@gmail.com>
 <61aaa6b3-5c65-3863-0772-bc9eabed420f@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <40737987-FCF8-4AC6-8D6E-119BA5A5A0B7@gmail.com>

Thanks, guys.  I?ve been spending time on the John Bridge forum following Brian?s advice.  https://www.johnbridge.com/  They quickly killed my original plan and moved me on to using 1/4? concrete backer board.  I feel comfortable with this direction.  

Here is the link to the discussion, for anyone who is interested: https://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1591233&posted=1#post1591233

> On Aug 11, 2023, at 9:46 AM, Peter J. Thomas <pj_thomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Did two bathrooms with hex mosaic tiles.  I'd recommend floor leveling compound for small tiles. If it's a small bathroom you really don't need uncoupling membrane.
> 
> Good Luck.
> Peter
> 
> On 8/9/2023 7:29 PM, Jim Stone wrote:
>> Are there any tiling experts here?  I am getting ready to tile my new bathroom floor and have hit a snag in my plans, which originally involved plywood underlayment, Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane and ?penny? mosaic tiles.  I?ve save the details for the moment until I know if this is worth pursuing here.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 12:21:05 2023
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 13:21:05 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Elevator for home?
In-Reply-To: <CAE16_w3NwGn6T0YZx_wXtxDPmShLyHrwXbbdMAgh4fetJh4d0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I have no idea what commercial unit would cost.

I have sent a request to Easy Climber for an elevator to be put in a "spare
room" to go down to the basement.  Other than the floor space, the only
thing I would lose is a cold-air-return that I don't think is all that
useful anyway.

I have seen some folks build their own stuff on youtube.  If I was to build
my own, I'd do it in a closet to serve the basement, 1st floor, and attic.
Getting resistance from the mobility-limited person.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:19?PM Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house?
>
> Trustworthy brands?
>
> Brands to avoid?
>
> --
> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
>


-- 
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1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White
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From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org  Sun Aug 13 16:59:39 2023
From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Elevator for home?
In-Reply-To: <CAE16_w3NwGn6T0YZx_wXtxDPmShLyHrwXbbdMAgh4fetJh4d0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Another option might be to troll realtor.com for houses for sale in your 
area and make note of any that have stair lifts.  I've seen a handful 
come across my area in the last 3-4 months.

A lot of buyers may be uninterested in a lift (face it, they take up 
space on the stairway) so they may be willing to part with it for cheap 
versus them having to disassemble and dispose.  You could ask the 
seller's real estate agent to put you in contact with the eventual buyer 
so that you can make an offer to buy and remove the lift from the 
premises.  I would naively imagine that it wouldn't be terribly 
difficult to adapt a lift from one house to another.

J


On 8/8/23 15:19, Philip Ethier wrote:
> Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house?
> 
> Trustworthy brands?
> 
> Brands to avoid?
> 
> -- 
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From bbubeck01 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 06:00:00 2023
From: bbubeck01 at gmail.com (Bruce Bubeck)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 08:00:00 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Elevator for home?
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Phil,
Before I retired, Inclinator in Harrisburg PA was one of my customers.
Their home elevators had a good reputation for quality and they had
installation dealers around the country. You should be able to get a phone
estimate from one of them. There's a lot of home elevator info on their
website.

https://inclinator.com/

On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:28?PM Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I have no idea what commercial unit would cost.
>
> I have sent a request to Easy Climber for an elevator to be put in a
> "spare room" to go down to the basement.  Other than the floor space, the
> only thing I would lose is a cold-air-return that I don't think is all that
> useful anyway.
>
> I have seen some folks build their own stuff on youtube.  If I was to
> build my own, I'd do it in a closet to serve the basement, 1st floor, and
> attic.  Getting resistance from the mobility-limited person.
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:19?PM Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house?
>>
>> Trustworthy brands?
>>
>> Brands to avoid?
>>
>> --
>> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
>>
>
>
> --
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> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red
> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White
> 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
> http://www.mnautox.com
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From eric at megageek.com  Thu Aug 17 03:14:54 2023
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 05:14:54 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
Message-ID: <OF0ED226EC.B6F6128E-ON85258A0E.00327E58-85258A0E.0032CDB0@mail.megageek.com>

OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device 
that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a 
standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since 
there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, 
and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't 
found anything yet.

Thanks all.

Moose
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Thu Aug 17 06:26:05 2023
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:26:05 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
In-Reply-To: <OF0ED226EC.B6F6128E-ON85258A0E.00327E58-85258A0E.0032CDB0@mail.megageek.com>
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Eric, they should make that but I?ve never found one. Closest thing is a 12V to 220AC converter, then plug the normal chai into that. 

Peace, Pat


Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 17, 2023, at 4:47 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:

?OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug. 

Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. 

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet. 

Thanks all. 

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From tim at chenhoerning.com  Thu Aug 17 07:27:37 2023
From: tim at chenhoerning.com (Hoerning, Timothy)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:27:37 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
In-Reply-To: <OF0ED226EC.B6F6128E-ON85258A0E.00327E58-85258A0E.0032CDB0@mail.megageek.com>
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I think this will do what you need.   It?s kinda big and bulky, but I would figure that?s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked.   It says it?s a buck inverter, so it should be efficient.  You would need to wire up the cigarette lighter jack. 

https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10366644432674980994&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE <https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10366644432674980994&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE>


This one is more compact, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=314609361336&targetid=1583904486842&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9003726&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=aud-1412318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=9307911&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE <https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr=1&amdata=enc:1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=314609361336&targetid=1583904486842&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9003726&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=aud-1412318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=9307911&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE>

You could also get something like this and pick the regulator you want.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=asc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=532907556229&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7322017601500041529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1529906407877&psc=1 <https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=asc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=532907556229&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7322017601500041529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1529906407877&psc=1>

LMK if you want to talk about it.

Tim


> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug. 
> 
> Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. 
> 
> Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet. 
> 
> Thanks all. 
> 
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> 
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 08:28:27 2023
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:28:27 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
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> On Aug 17, 2023, at 04:39, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> ?OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug. 
> 
> Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. 
> 
> Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet. 

Dewalt don?t sell one, but eBay has lots of third party options. 

Dewalt do make one that provides a couple of usb ports, which probably fills the needs of most people. They also sell a car powered charger that plugs into a cigarette lighter. 

> 
> Thanks all. 
> 
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Aug 17 08:50:31 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:50:31 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
In-Reply-To: <OF0ED226EC.B6F6128E-ON85258A0E.00327E58-85258A0E.0032CDB0@mail.megageek.com>
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To my surprise, converters are available. Here's one:

https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1530289085161243109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-o4Xwq2bJ0ciHJyeh3c3sIg2zEWrlYmvpabt1sYKKxicK-gtxZ_KBoCQY8QAvD_BwE

You'll have to rig the cigarette plug yourself.


On 8/17/2023 2:14 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> OK, I guess I'm missing something here. ?I am looking for a small 
> device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 
> 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.
>
> Does anything like this exist? ?It seems that it would make sense 
> since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 
> 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.
>
> Anyone know where I can find such a beast? ?I'm been searching but 
> haven't found anything yet.
>
> Thanks all.
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From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org  Thu Aug 17 08:58:33 2023
From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:58:33 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
In-Reply-To: <B7EAA691-3538-4F23-AF61-2B5E250EAC56@icloud.com>
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If you're willing to solder your own cigarette plug or socket, you can 
find DC-to-DC converters for Dewalt batteries.? This one looks like 
it'll do the trick:

https://www.amazon.com/Inverter-Compatible-Batteries-Converter-Regulator/dp/B0BBSF7VS1

As a buck converter, it ought to be reasonably efficient (and indeed it 
claims 97% eff at half-load). Still, if you're going to drive this thing 
at 100+ watts, you might want to make sure it has adequate ventilation 
(or mount a small 12V fan).

J


On 8/17/23 08:26, Pat Horne wrote:
> Eric, they should make that but I?ve never found one. Closest thing is 
> a 12V to 220AC converter, then plug the normal chai into that.
>
> Peace, Pat
>
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2023, at 4:47 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>
> ?OK, I guess I'm missing something here. ?I am looking for a small 
> device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 
> 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.
>
> Does anything like this exist? ?It seems that it would make sense 
> since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 
> 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.
>
> Anyone know where I can find such a beast? ?I'm been searching but 
> haven't found anything yet.
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Moose_______________________________________________
>
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 09:22:38 2023
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:22:38 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
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I think what you want is a step-down buck converter aka DC-DC converter

 

- Google search for 20v to 12v converter: https://tinyurl.com/ymjbccj4

- Digikey DC DC converter [36v, 20v input / 12v 1amp output random example]:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cui-inc./VXO78012-1000/7350298?ut
m_adgroup=

- Amazon Buc Converter DC-DC Adjustable 3A Step Down power supply [input
3.2-35v, output 1.25-30v]:
https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-LM2596S-Converter-Adjustable-Regulator/dp/B07JY
X4J4N

 

----------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
eric at megageek.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 2:15 AM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply

 

OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device
that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a
standard cigarette lighter plug. 

Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since
there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and
the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. 

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't
found anything yet. 

Thanks all. 

Moose

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From pj_thomas at comcast.net  Thu Aug 17 10:03:01 2023
From: pj_thomas at comcast.net (Peter J. Thomas)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
In-Reply-To: <4E0D48B0-3728-48AB-BA16-9D2522C64B64@chenhoerning.com>
References: <OF0ED226EC.B6F6128E-ON85258A0E.00327E58-85258A0E.0032CDB0@mail.megageek.com>
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I have the Mellif.? I use it to drive a telescope mount and dew 
heaters.? Works fine so far.? The voltage is a little high but steady.

On 8/17/2023 9:27 AM, Hoerning, Timothy wrote:
> I think this will do what you need. ? It?s kinda big and bulky, but I 
> would figure that?s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked. ? It 
> says it?s a buck inverter, so it should be efficient. ?You would need 
> to wire up the cigarette lighter jack.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10366644432674980994&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10366644432674980994&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE>
>
>
> This one is more compact, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=314609361336&targetid=1583904486842&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9003726&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=aud-1412318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=9307911&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE 
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr=1&amdata=enc:1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=314609361336&targetid=1583904486842&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9003726&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=aud-1412318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=9307911&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE>
>
> You could also get something like this and pick the regulator you want.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=asc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=532907556229&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7322017601500041529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1529906407877&psc=1 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals?Work-Battery?Power-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=asc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=532907556229&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7322017601500041529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1529906407877&psc=1>
>
> LMK if you want to talk about it.
>
> Tim
>
>
>> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>>
>> OK, I guess I'm missing something here. ?I am looking for a small 
>> device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 
>> 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.
>>
>> Does anything like this exist? ?It seems that it would make sense 
>> since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 
>> 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.
>>
>> Anyone know where I can find such a beast? ?I'm been searching but 
>> haven't found anything yet.
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Moose_______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Thu Aug 17 10:03:15 2023
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
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From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:11:09 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Thu Aug 17 10:14:37 2023
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
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From eric at megageek.com  Thu Aug 17 10:40:00 2023
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:40:00 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply
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I wanted to thank everyone that chimed in.  I was able to get what I need( 
 Tim's suggestion!)

I don't see why Dewalt wouldn't make something like this.  Seems like a no 
brainer.

Have a great day.

Moose
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Tue Aug 22 12:28:51 2023
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:28:51 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven
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I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" and take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-)

Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty steady even as they're going bad? 

Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises. 

This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to blow up. 

thanks,
jim

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 14:44:43 2023
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:44:43 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven
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Is this a propane house or natural gas house?  I know on propane
installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regulator is
clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a natural gas
system.  Maybe ask your gas supplier?  I know our propane provider had a
preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion when we bought a new
gas dryer.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 3:40?PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

> I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" and
> take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested
> the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be.
> Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-)
>
> Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty
> steady even as they're going bad?
>
> Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering
> from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and
> sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another
> non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises.
>
> This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is
> dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing
> really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to
> blow up.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Tue Aug 22 14:47:06 2023
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:47:06 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven
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Natural gas. We're on a cul de sac, I'll see if any of the neighbors have the same issue.

jim

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is this a propane house or natural gas house?  I know on propane installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regulator is clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a natural gas system.  Maybe ask your gas supplier?  I know our propane provider had a preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion when we bought a new gas dryer.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 3:40?PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org <mailto:jamesf at groupwbench.org>> wrote:
> I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" and take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-)
> 
> Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty steady even as they're going bad? 
> 
> Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises. 
> 
> This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to blow up. 
> 
> thanks,
> jim
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 15:11:38 2023
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:11:38 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven
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If I understand you correctly a gas oven, gas cooktop and a gas water heater
are all behaving inconsistently - yes?  

If so, I would first see if the gas utility is having problems supplying
consistent pressure and quality of gas. You should be able to call them and
have them check without charge.

----------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

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Subject: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven

I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" and
take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the
igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of
course there was no fluttering during this test :-)

Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty
steady even as they're going bad? 

Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from
the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and
sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another
non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises. 

This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is
dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing
really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to
blow up. 

thanks,
jim
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