From jniolon at att.net  Wed Sep 14 15:40:32 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo.ref@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>

over the last week or so 
I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't 
know from web addresses
that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything 
 
from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets... 
 
I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me 
 
any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
 
john
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:59:48 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 17:59:48 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CO_tYtzr5sr7o2wL=eL2gnk_2g6SZsLCDeV9n_69zWiHg@mail.gmail.com>

Just your turn in the barrel, I reckon....

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 17:56 john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20
> a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>
> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware
> sets...
>
> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my
> malware software slaps me
>
> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in
> the shop
>
> john
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From parkanzky at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 16:19:29 2022
From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:19:29 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>

Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.

Also, don?t click those links!!!

-Paul

> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>  
> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
>  
> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
>  
> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
>  
> john
> 
> 
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 16:34:15 2022
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 17:34:15 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CO_tYtzr5sr7o2wL=eL2gnk_2g6SZsLCDeV9n_69zWiHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <CAO8Q7CO_tYtzr5sr7o2wL=eL2gnk_2g6SZsLCDeV9n_69zWiHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6dSD21tDxmp_L8QzT+4kh_QXXt_tHv=W94TbuWhWhkjTA@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Not sure what you're using for email, but most, both browser and
server/client based have some sort of spam filtering built-in They usually
improve as you "teach" them bogus domains and addresses. You may have
accidentally changed some setting that's allowing the junk to get through.

RD

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 5:25 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just your turn in the barrel, I reckon....
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 17:56 john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20
>> a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
>> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>>
>> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware
>> sets...
>>
>> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my
>> malware software slaps me
>>
>> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc
>> in the shop
>>
>> john
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Wed Sep 14 17:14:28 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
References: <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDE27A09-60C0-4334-AD5F-EFE84E3D806C@icloud.com>

+1 for Gmail account. I have all my email accounts set up to go to gmail, then forward from there to my iCloud account. Took care of almost all my spam. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 14, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com> wrote:

?Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.

Also, don?t click those links!!!

-Paul

> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>  
> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
>  
> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
>  
> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
>  
> john
> 
> 
_______________________________________________

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From tjcora at icloud.com  Wed Sep 14 17:59:07 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 19:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <79BC47D5-C63F-4CA5-899B-FCE0F68AA857@icloud.com>

Don?t know if you're MacOS or Win, but if the former, SpamSieve is a solid performer. 

https://c-command.com/spamsieve/

?
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com


> On 14 Sep 2022, at 5:40 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>  
> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
>  
> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
>  
> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
>  
> john
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com
> 


From bspidell at comcast.net  Wed Sep 14 18:17:51 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 17:17:51 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>

gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and 
categorizing your email:

https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/

I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP 
mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a 
filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at 
least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes 
straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.



On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
> Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right 
> out.
>
> Also, don?t click those links!!!
>
> -Paul
>
>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 
>> to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
>> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar 
>> cookware sets...
>> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my 
>> malware software slaps me
>> any way to stop block this crap...? shop content...it happens on the 
>> pc in the shop
>> john
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From shannahquilts at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 19:42:22 2022
From: shannahquilts at gmail.com (Shannah Miller)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 18:42:22 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAAy7z=0ioHRmu8Gn5ow11H5dsOrbtE5mLreWXo8Cdtmo342XnA@mail.gmail.com>

I've had good luck with pobox.com.  I like that I can
choose a variety of domains for my email address(es).

It's a redirector, and filters the spam as it's redirecting
the email.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 6:22 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing
> your email:
>
> https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/
>
> I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode
> and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on
> the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get
> the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a
> local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.
>
>
>
> On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
>
> Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.
>
> Also, don?t click those links!!!
>
> -Paul
>
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
> <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20
> a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>
> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware
> sets...
>
> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my
> malware software slaps me
>
> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in
> the shop
>
> john
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 15 12:18:06 2022
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 12:18:06 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <CAAy7z=0ioHRmu8Gn5ow11H5dsOrbtE5mLreWXo8Cdtmo342XnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
 <CAAy7z=0ioHRmu8Gn5ow11H5dsOrbtE5mLreWXo8Cdtmo342XnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>

I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.? Then 
you folks could REALLY see some? bogus emails!

mjb.



From jniolon at att.net  Thu Sep 15 13:11:06 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:11:06 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
 <CAAy7z=0ioHRmu8Gn5ow11H5dsOrbtE5mLreWXo8Cdtmo342XnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1UbwY8RAXa.57TZMw7rZJ9@johns-desktop>

    PLEASE NOOOOO, MARK !!! I think my inbox would explode and I'd have bits of spam everywhere.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/15/2022 1:18:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
________________________________________________________________________________


I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.  Then 
you folks could REALLY see some  bogus emails!

mjb.


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From patintexas at icloud.com  Thu Sep 15 14:31:13 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:31:13 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <1UbwY8RAXa.57TZMw7rZJ9@johns-desktop>
References: <1UbwY8RAXa.57TZMw7rZJ9@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <8BE28ABA-23B3-4A26-940D-72EAF18ADA97@icloud.com>

John, a little brown sugar & fried, spam is quite passable for breakfast. (At least that?s how I remember it from the late 50s/early 60s.)

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 15, 2022, at 3:26 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?   PLEASE NOOOOO, MARK !!! I think my inbox would explode and I'd have bits of spam everywhere.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/15/2022 1:18:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
________________________________________________________________________________


I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.  Then you folks could REALLY see some  bogus emails!

mjb.


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From jniolon at att.net  Thu Sep 15 14:39:45 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:39:45 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <8BE28ABA-23B3-4A26-940D-72EAF18ADA97@icloud.com>
References: <1UbwY8RAXa.57TZMw7rZJ9@johns-desktop>
 <8BE28ABA-23B3-4A26-940D-72EAF18ADA97@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1UbwY9J2Wv.6CWP3wANLFK@johns-desktop>

fried spam has always been a favorite... never tried it with sugar ...hmmm  my kids used to ask for spam sandwiches !!


----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com>
To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
Cc: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>, shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/15/2022 3:31:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
________________________________________________________________________________


John, a little brown sugar & fried, spam is quite passable for breakfast. (At least that?s how I remember it from the late 50s/early 60s.)

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 15, 2022, at 3:26 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?   PLEASE NOOOOO, MARK !!! I think my inbox would explode and I'd have bits of spam everywhere.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/15/2022 1:18:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
________________________________________________________________________________


I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.  Then you folks could REALLY see some  bogus emails!

mjb.


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Sep 15 14:51:49 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:51:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <1UbwY8RAXa.57TZMw7rZJ9@johns-desktop>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
 <CAAy7z=0ioHRmu8Gn5ow11H5dsOrbtE5mLreWXo8Cdtmo342XnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>
 <1UbwY8RAXa.57TZMw7rZJ9@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <1195980403.4412527.1663275109169@mail.yahoo.com>

 Well, you can have Spam, eggs, sausage and Spam.? That hasn't got much Spam in it.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>; shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2022 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails

? ? PLEASE NOOOOO, MARK !!! I think my inbox would explode and I'd have bits of spam everywhere.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/15/2022 1:18:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
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I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.? Then 
you folks could REALLY see some? bogus emails!

mjb.


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From shannahquilts at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 16:25:47 2022
From: shannahquilts at gmail.com (Shannah Miller)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:25:47 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
 <CAAy7z=0ioHRmu8Gn5ow11H5dsOrbtE5mLreWXo8Cdtmo342XnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAAy7z=0YMKAL3z0y56QnBy_gsmMBE4vnqeoZh+MsnVLRWk0S5w@mail.gmail.com>

Spam is definitely a problem, which is why there are so
many systems across the world filtering it out.

An experiment was done, years ago, where a number
of these systems opted to stop filtering, and the amount
of spam people were receiving went through the roof.

I wish marketing, especially online marketing, wasn't
such a protected class.

Shannah

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 11:52 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.  Then
> you folks could REALLY see some  bogus emails!
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From gene at garrison-grafixx.com  Thu Sep 15 19:02:25 2022
From: gene at garrison-grafixx.com (Gene Garrison)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 18:02:25 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f4bbd859-e1a9-1c5b-656b-ff07813a5595@garrison-grafixx.com>

I second the use of Thunderbird.? Except that I use it's adaptive 
(learning) spam filter, so that it moves mails that it thinks are spam 
into a spam filter.? And then I go in every few weeks and skim through 
them and "unspam" any that weren't spam.? Takes 5 minutes.? And helps 
train the filter.

And I use this computer for researching shop tools and techniques.? :)

- GeneG

On 9/14/22 17:17, Bob Spidell wrote:
> gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and 
> categorizing your email:
>
> https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/
>
> I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP 
> mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a 
> filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but 
> at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends 
> goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.
>
>
>
> On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
>> Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right 
>> out.
>>
>> Also, don?t click those links!!!
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 
>>> to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
>>> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>>> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 
>>> dollar cookware sets...
>>> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my 
>>> malware software slaps me
>>> any way to stop block this crap...? shop content...it happens on the 
>>> pc in the shop
>>> john
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>
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>
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From dhlocker at protonmail.com  Fri Sep 16 06:56:54 2022
From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 12:56:54 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <f4bbd859-e1a9-1c5b-656b-ff07813a5595@garrison-grafixx.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
 <f4bbd859-e1a9-1c5b-656b-ff07813a5595@garrison-grafixx.com>
Message-ID: <6ee6dc4b-34d3-e778-9973-d1c6c18ba0ab@protonmail.com>

I see the email I previously sent (14 Sep) went just to John Niolon; I neglected to copy the list. Dang. Here is my recommendation for Thunderbird also.

I would recommend using Thunderbird [<https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/>](https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/) as your mail application. It will interface with any mail server, has adaptive junk mail filtering that works quite well, and it doesn't load remote content by default (which is one way spammers know there is a human looking at their content, so they can send more!).

As Paul Parkanzky said, DON'T click any links or open any attachments in suspicious emails; they are usually vectors for malware, and provide another signal to the spammers that you exist, and are vulnerable.

I do not recommend gmail; the price you pay is they snoop every email you send or receive to characterise you for targeted ads. I avoid it whenever possible.

Donald.

On 9/15/22 21:02, Gene Garrison wrote:

> I second the use of Thunderbird. Except that I use it's adaptive (learning) spam filter, so that it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam filter. And then I go in every few weeks and skim through them and "unspam" any that weren't spam. Takes 5 minutes. And helps train the filter.
>
> And I use this computer for researching shop tools and techniques. :)
>
> - GeneG
>
> On 9/14/22 17:17, Bob Spidell wrote:
>
>> gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing your email:
>>
>> https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/
>>
>> I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.
>>
>> On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
>>
>>> Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out.
>>>
>>> Also, don?t click those links!!!
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon [<jniolon at att.net>](mailto:jniolon at att.net) wrote:
>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
>>>> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>>>>
>>>> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
>>>>
>>>> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
>>>>
>>>> any way to stop block this crap... shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> Donate:
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>> Archive:
>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>>>
>>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell at comcast.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From watsonm05 at comcast.net  Fri Sep 16 10:14:11 2022
From: watsonm05 at comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 18:14:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
 <CAAy7z=0ioHRmu8Gn5ow11H5dsOrbtE5mLreWXo8Cdtmo342XnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bd6cbc70-4ff8-5a03-dfb9-cb5a657b48ee@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1614066092.699797.1663344852034@connect.xfinity.com>

To incentivize Mark to not do this I'm going to donate to Team.Net (once I can get on the home computer - the donation site is blocked on my work computer).

To be honest I've been paving the road to Hades by meaning to donate and then not following through - shame on me.

Mark -Thanks for all you've done and do for this list.  It's not very active lately but I still enjoy what content there is and usually learn from it!

Mark
1995 Buick Century (my "new car" daily driver ;-)) occupying 1/2 of my garage
1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' - long term restoration project occupying the other 1/of 2 my garage <-- obligatory garage content ;-)

> On 09/15/2022 8:18 PM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> I should take off all the filters and anti-spam stuff on Team Net.? Then 
> you folks could REALLY see some? bogus emails!
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From gene at garrison-grafixx.com  Fri Sep 16 11:52:59 2022
From: gene at garrison-grafixx.com (Gene Garrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:52:59 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] bogus emails
In-Reply-To: <f4bbd859-e1a9-1c5b-656b-ff07813a5595@garrison-grafixx.com>
References: <1UbwX4JSzu.3aSHuvh5eoo@johns-desktop>
 <D74F161C-0728-4269-B81C-C0790B59E6C9@gmail.com>
 <572ba617-c55f-99fb-50cf-54af813109e0@comcast.net>
 <f4bbd859-e1a9-1c5b-656b-ff07813a5595@garrison-grafixx.com>
Message-ID: <f18c9daf-6bc3-4315-8371-4549840be64b@www.fastmail.com>

Oopsie.  I said "it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam filter.". I meant to say "it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam folder."

- GeneG.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, at 6:02 PM, Gene Garrison wrote:
> I second the use of Thunderbird.  Except that I use it's adaptive (learning) spam filter, so that it moves mails that it thinks are spam into a spam filter.  And then I go in every few weeks and skim through them and "unspam" any that weren't spam.  Takes 5 minutes.  And helps train the filter.
> 
> And I use this computer for researching shop tools and techniques.  :)
> 
> - GeneG
> 
> On 9/14/22 17:17, Bob Spidell wrote:
>> gmail is fine if you don't mind Google reading, analyzing and categorizing your email:
>> 
>> https://securityboulevard.com/2019/11/does-google-read-your-email/
>> 
>> I use Thunderbird--open source client from the Mozilla people--in POP mode and every time I get a spam email (20 or so a day), I create a filter on the major domain of the sender. It's an inconvenience, but at least I get the satisfaction that the next garbage that site sends goes straight to a local trash folder. T-Bird also has a decent calendar.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/14/2022 3:19 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
>>> Get yourself a Gmail account. 99.9% of that stuff gets filtered right out. 
>>> 
>>> Also, don?t click those links!!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Paul
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 5:59 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? 
>>>> over the last week or so I've been getting emails... anywhere from 6 to20 a day... from people I don't know from web addresses
>>>> that aren't valid offering me tremendous deals on everything
>>>>  
>>>> from cigars to 30 dollar 20 draw tool boxes to campers to 1000 dollar cookware sets...
>>>>  
>>>> I know these are all bogus and if I try to go to one of the sites my malware software slaps me
>>>>  
>>>> any way to stop block this crap...  shop content...it happens on the pc in the shop
>>>>  
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
>>> 
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From eric at megageek.com  Sat Sep 17 07:52:08 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 09:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me)
Message-ID: <OFA6602164.5B2F0879-ON852588C0.004C19A5-852588C0.004C304E@mail.megageek.com>

This is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk.  I have a shop 
question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it.

Thanks.

Moose
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From eric at megageek.com  Sat Sep 17 08:07:29 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 10:07:29 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation
Message-ID: <OFCC01A0B4.1D059365-ON852588C0.004CC86B-852588C0.004D97C5@mail.megageek.com>

Here is the problem...

I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equipment/and bull dozer that I use on 
the farm here.  Instead of paying over the road taxes and filling 5 gal 
containers every time, I used to have an 230 gal oil tank that I put home 
heating oil in and used that.  It worked for the first 20 years I was 
here.
The new fuels seem to develop algae very quickly.  I've tried additives, 
but I still have the problems.

So, I'm going to ditch the oil tank (it's too hard to clean after any 
algae bloom).  I was thinking of just using a 55 gal drum.  I also don't 
use that much fuel so I don't need it sitting around.

Here are the questions...

-first, what fuel is the most stable for the longest?  Home heating oil, 
off road diesel, or something else?
-second, will most heating oil places fill a 55 gal drum?  Do I need any 
special markings?
-third, if I have to bring it to them to get it filled, is there any 
special requirements to transporting it?
-fourth, am I missing a better option?

Thanks
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Sep 17 08:10:11 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 09:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me)
In-Reply-To: <OFA6602164.5B2F0879-ON852588C0.004C19A5-852588C0.004C304E@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFA6602164.5B2F0879-ON852588C0.004C19A5-852588C0.004C304E@mail.megageek.com>
Message-ID: <73DEE5F6-1B0F-4917-9586-0DD4FC443F10@icloud.com>

Yup, it works. 

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 17, 2022, at 9:09 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:

?This is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk.  I have a shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it. 

Thanks. 

Moose_______________________________________________

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From tjcora at icloud.com  Sat Sep 17 08:15:06 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 10:15:06 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me)
In-Reply-To: <OFA6602164.5B2F0879-ON852588C0.004C19A5-852588C0.004C304E@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFA6602164.5B2F0879-ON852588C0.004C19A5-852588C0.004C304E@mail.megageek.com>
Message-ID: <7E01E9D6-5E6A-4C05-B2CB-616173E34563@icloud.com>

Yep. 

Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com

> On Sep 17, 2022, at 10:10 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> ?This is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk.  I have a shop question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Moose_______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From jniolon at att.net  Sat Sep 17 08:17:49 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 09:17:49 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me)
In-Reply-To: <OFA6602164.5B2F0879-ON852588C0.004C19A5-852588C0.004C304E@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFA6602164.5B2F0879-ON852588C0.004C19A5-852588C0.004C304E@mail.megageek.com>
Message-ID: <1UbwaGRs1w.1YDQJvovcoP@johns-desktop>

yes it does...yes you can

 

----- Original Message -----
From: <eric at megageek.com>
To: <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/17/2022 8:52:08 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Test (if this is still working for me)


This is a test email to make sure I can post to Shop-talk.  I have a shop 
question, but I want to make sure I can still post before I write it. 

Thanks. 

Moose 
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From jibrooks at live.com  Sat Sep 17 09:53:17 2022
From: jibrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:53:17 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation
In-Reply-To: <OFCC01A0B4.1D059365-ON852588C0.004CC86B-852588C0.004D97C5@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFCC01A0B4.1D059365-ON852588C0.004CC86B-852588C0.004D97C5@mail.megageek.com>
Message-ID: <CY5PR11MB65334197063EB6D2493D9A46A84B9@CY5PR11MB6533.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I'm not sure about all legalities if packaging the fuel, but to fill it up and not pay the bulk of the taxes is all you have to do is bring it over to a truck stop and make sure you fill it with the reefer fuel, not tractor fuel. Reefer does not have road tax on it.

Jack
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:07:29 AM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation

Here is the problem...

I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equipment/and bull dozer that I use on the farm here.  Instead of paying over the road taxes and filling 5 gal containers every time, I used to have an 230 gal oil tank that I put home heating oil in and used that.  It worked for the first 20 years I was here.
The new fuels seem to develop algae very quickly.  I've tried additives, but I still have the problems.

So, I'm going to ditch the oil tank (it's too hard to clean after any algae bloom).  I was thinking of just using a 55 gal drum.  I also don't use that much fuel so I don't need it sitting around.

Here are the questions...

-first, what fuel is the most stable for the longest?  Home heating oil, off road diesel, or something else?
-second, will most heating oil places fill a 55 gal drum?  Do I need any special markings?
-third, if I have to bring it to them to get it filled, is there any special requirements to transporting it?
-fourth, am I missing a better option?

Thanks
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From rande90 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 10:20:57 2022
From: rande90 at gmail.com (RandE)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation
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In some states there is a form you can fill out and send in to the state to
get your taxes back on fuel that is not used on the road (lawn mower,
tractor, etc.).

Randy

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:17 AM Jack Brooks <jibrooks at live.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure about all legalities if packaging the fuel, but to fill it up
> and not pay the bulk of the taxes is all you have to do is bring it over to
> a truck stop and make sure you fill it with the reefer fuel, not tractor
> fuel. Reefer does not have road tax on it.
>
> Jack
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
> eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:07:29 AM
> *To:* Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] Diesel Fuel for engine operation
>
> Here is the problem...
>
> I have a bunch of diesel tractors/equipment/and bull dozer that I use on
> the farm here.  Instead of paying over the road taxes and filling 5 gal
> containers every time, I used to have an 230 gal oil tank that I put home
> heating oil in and used that.  It worked for the first 20 years I was here.
> The new fuels seem to develop algae very quickly.  I've tried additives,
> but I still have the problems.
>
> So, I'm going to ditch the oil tank (it's too hard to clean after any
> algae bloom).  I was thinking of just using a 55 gal drum.  I also don't
> use that much fuel so I don't need it sitting around.
>
> Here are the questions...
>
> -first, what fuel is the most stable for the longest?  Home heating oil,
> off road diesel, or something else?
> -second, will most heating oil places fill a 55 gal drum?  Do I need any
> special markings?
> -third, if I have to bring it to them to get it filled, is there any
> special requirements to transporting it?
> -fourth, am I missing a better option?
>
> Thanks
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From jniolon at att.net  Sat Sep 17 12:24:34 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:24:34 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
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Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are 
stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.  the 
stud is about

 5/8"  long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads  
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 12:55:24 2022
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:55:24 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
In-Reply-To: <1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K@johns-desktop>
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What I have done is cut a good nut into two halfs, position them onto the
good threads and clamp them together. Then back this assembly out over the
boogered threads to straighten them out.

EjR

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 2:41 PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> Help machinist and mill wright type people
>
> I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are
> stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.
> the stud is about
>  5/8"  long and the majority of the threads are good.
>
> I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the
> existing threads.   I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use
> that to slide over the bad threads
>
> the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it
> back over the bad threads ??   I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if
> it won't do what I want...
>
> Any experience doing this ??
>
> thanks
> john
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From jniolon at att.net  Sat Sep 17 13:30:56 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
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good idea Eric.  
hadn't considered that... A number 12 nut might be a little challenge cutting it but it can't 
hurt to try
 
thanks
j

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell <ejrussell61 at gmail.com>
To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 9/17/2022 1:55:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies



What I have done is cut a good nut into two halfs, position them onto the good 
threads and clamp them together. Then back this assembly out over the boogered 
threads to straighten them out.  


EjR


On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 2:41 PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are 
stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.  the 
stud is about

 5/8"  long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads  
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Sep 17 13:32:01 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
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See if you can find a 12TPI thread file. You start filing where the threads are mostly good & keep filing over the damaged threads until you reach the end. If you want to, you can then run a standard 12-24 die onto it afterwards.  I got a set of SAE & metric decades ago from J. C. Whitney - May they Rest In Peace. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 17, 2022, at 1:55 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?
Help machinist and mill wright type people
 
I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
 5/8"  long and the majority of the threads are good.
 
I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads 
 
the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
 
Any experience doing this ??
 
thanks
john
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From tjcora at icloud.com  Sat Sep 17 14:03:42 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:03:42 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sat Sep 17 14:22:31 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:22:31 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
Message-ID: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org>

I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing. 

Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.

thanks,
jim

From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 15:42:45 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
In-Reply-To: <1UbwaJv9H8.1OilSku1mUJ@johns-desktop>
References: <1UbwaJv9H8.1OilSku1mUJ@johns-desktop>
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> On Sep 17, 2022, at 15:08, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> good idea Eric.  hadn't considered that... A number 12 nut might be a little challenge cutting it but it can't hurt to try
>  

A single cut, making a split nut, is easier than cutting in two.  You can then try threading it on, like a die. 


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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Sep 17 15:45:51 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:45:51 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
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I Don?t know what it is called either but I found a trip to an old lamp repair shop was a lot of fun! What brought me there was nuts for that central tube, they are not standard!

I?d probably just drill a coupler. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 17, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

?I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing. 

Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.

thanks,
jim
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From tjcora at icloud.com  Sat Sep 17 15:47:11 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 17:47:11 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
In-Reply-To: <1BD63D15-DCB5-4F13-820B-E7CF89767B9D@icloud.com>
References: <1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K@johns-desktop>
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I forgot about thread files. It?s a 12-24 stud, so you?d want a 24TPI file, no?

?
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com


> On 17 Sep 2022, at 3:32 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> See if you can find a 12TPI thread file. You start filing where the threads are mostly good & keep filing over the damaged threads until you reach the end. If you want to, you can then run a standard 12-24 die onto it afterwards.  I got a set of SAE & metric decades ago from J. C. Whitney - May they Rest In Peace. 
> 
> Peace,
> Pat
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2022, at 1:55 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Help machinist and mill wright type people
>  
> I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
>  5/8"  long and the majority of the threads are good.
>  
> I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads 
>  
> the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
>  
> Any experience doing this ??
>  
> thanks
> john
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Sep 17 16:39:14 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 22:39:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
In-Reply-To: <1UbwaJCZsS.2Y2fs1MqA7K@johns-desktop>
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 Do you need the full length?? If not cut the buggered end off with a Dremmel cut-off wheel.
 
Dave 


 
 
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From: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 17, 2022 1:24 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies

 Help machinist and mill wright type people?I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.? the stud is about?5/8" ?long and the majority of the threads are good.?I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threads.?? I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the?bad threads? ?the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ???? I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...?Any experience doing this ???thanksjohn_______________________________________________

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 17:52:23 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:52:23 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
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Maybe in this category?  https://grandbrass.com/bodies/

Lots more on that site that might be useful

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing.
>
> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From tjcora at icloud.com  Sun Sep 18 07:40:57 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 09:40:57 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] adjustable thread dies
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Just had another thought. Depending on how long the stud is, it may be simpler to cut off the damaged end with a dremel and an abrasive wheel. A rule of thumb I?ve used for years (not sure where I got it from - maybe one of my undergrad profs?) is that you want at least one diameter of the fastener above the nut, once it?s fully assembled.

?
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com


> On 17 Sep 2022, at 5:47 PM, Thomas Coradeschi <tjcora at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I forgot about thread files. It?s a 12-24 stud, so you?d want a 24TPI file, no?
> 
> ?
> Tom Coradeschi
> tjcora at icloud.com
> 
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2022, at 3:32 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> See if you can find a 12TPI thread file. You start filing where the threads are mostly good & keep filing over the damaged threads until you reach the end. If you want to, you can then run a standard 12-24 die onto it afterwards.  I got a set of SAE & metric decades ago from J. C. Whitney - May they Rest In Peace. 
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>> 
>> Pat Horne 
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2022, at 1:55 PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Help machinist and mill wright type people
>> 
>> I have a output stud in an alternator case that the beginning threads are stripped/galled/messed up from someone trying to force a metric nut on it.  the stud is about
>> 5/8"  long and the majority of the threads are good.
>> 
>> I can't seem to get a 12-24 die started so I know it will true up the existing threads.   I see they make adjustable dies on the net... can I use that to slide over the bad threads 
>> 
>> the adjust the bolt in the die to sit right on the stud then thread it back over the bad threads ??   I just hate to send 20 bucks for the die if it won't do what I want...
>> 
>> Any experience doing this ??
>> 
>> thanks
>> john
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sun Sep 18 09:07:44 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 11:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CPxFCXtvDyEasM14Jbkfh5O4d4NGhY1FoUYYTQg650Www@mail.gmail.com>
References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org>
 <CAO8Q7CPxFCXtvDyEasM14Jbkfh5O4d4NGhY1FoUYYTQg650Www@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org>

That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more:

https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/

Thanks!

jim

> On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe in this category?  https://grandbrass.com/bodies/ <https://grandbrass.com/bodies/>
> 
> Lots more on that site that might be useful
> 
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org <mailto:jamesf at groupwbench.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing.
>> 
>> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From dhlocker at protonmail.com  Sun Sep 18 11:58:06 2022
From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:58:06 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
In-Reply-To: <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org>
References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org>
 <CAO8Q7CPxFCXtvDyEasM14Jbkfh5O4d4NGhY1FoUYYTQg650Www@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <36b5025d-d63c-1c77-4c18-801f5113c4ed@protonmail.com>

I trust then that you found the page of all hickeys? https://grandbrass.com/hickeys/

I see a number of cast (brass and iron) hickeys there.

Donald.

On 9/18/22 11:07, Jim Franklin wrote:

> That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more:
>
> https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/
>
> Thanks!
>
> jim
>
>> On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe in this category? https://grandbrass.com/bodies/
>>
>> Lots more on that site that might be useful
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other. I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jniolon at att.net  Sun Sep 18 14:43:09 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] thunderbird email suggestin
References: <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO.ref@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO@johns-desktop>

    so 
ya'll suggested Thunderbird for email server to help with spam and malware...
 
trying to install it and keep getting message that it's 
already running to end the old version clicked on that and it just loops back 
to errr message
 
tried uninstalling it (3 times)
tried restart and power down ( 3 times)   it just 
won't run
 
installs with no problem but won't rn
 
help the dummy ???
+john
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From dhlocker at protonmail.com  Sun Sep 18 16:03:54 2022
From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 22:03:54 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] thunderbird email suggestin
In-Reply-To: <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO@johns-desktop>
References: <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <c662d7e1-37d6-7945-e631-ec448c4e90a1@protonmail.com>

I suspect you are running Windows? If so, I'm not sure how to find out which processes are running and how to kill specific processes. It's been a few years since I had to do that, so someone else will have to help with that.

The other bit of info to transmit is that Thunderbird is a client to all the email servers out there. If you like ATT, you can stay with them and T'bird will handle getting and sending your mail through them without involving their web interface, and providing the basic safety mechanisms. If you would like to change to another email service, that is relatively easy, too. (I won't recommend the service that I use unless requested; a private or public request and/or response is acceptable from anyone on this list.)

Thunderbird runs on your computer and fetches mail for you to view on your screen, or submitting your messages via SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), typically. It can use either the old POP (Post Office Protocol) or the newer IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) to fetch the mail to be read.

Hope this helps a little.
Donald.

On 9/18/22 16:43, john niolon wrote:

> so ya'll suggested Thunderbird for email server to help with spam and malware...
>
> trying to install it and keep getting message that it's already running to end the old version clicked on that and it just loops back to errr message
>
> tried uninstalling it (3 times)
> tried restart and power down ( 3 times) it just won't run
>
> installs with no problem but won't rn
>
> help the dummy ???
> +john
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 18:47:39 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 20:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] thunderbird email suggestin
In-Reply-To: <c662d7e1-37d6-7945-e631-ec448c4e90a1@protonmail.com>
References: <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UbwbQMGIo.1XzLrq854zO@johns-desktop>
 <c662d7e1-37d6-7945-e631-ec448c4e90a1@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7COMF+OLhrTNy7yh_XS=wGPgRvWZN=6Uv2ukiyPL68pAOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ctrl-Alt-Del and select Task Manager to see running apps, programs,
and processes.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:17 PM Donald H Locker <dhlocker at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suspect you are running Windows? If so, I'm not sure how to find out which processes are running and how to kill specific processes. It's been a few years since I had to do that, so someone else will have to help with that.
>
> The other bit of info to transmit is that Thunderbird is a client to all the email servers out there. If you like ATT, you can stay with them and T'bird will handle getting and sending your mail through them without involving their web interface, and providing the basic safety mechanisms. If you would like to change to another email service, that is relatively easy, too. (I won't recommend the service that I use unless requested; a private or public request and/or response is acceptable from anyone on this list.)
>
> Thunderbird runs on your computer and fetches mail for you to view on your screen, or submitting your messages via SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), typically. It can use either the old POP (Post Office Protocol) or the newer IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) to fetch the mail to be read.
>
> Hope this helps a little.
> Donald.
>
> On 9/18/22 16:43, john niolon wrote:
>
>     so ya'll suggested Thunderbird for email server to help with spam and malware...
>
> trying to install it and keep getting message that it's already running to end the old version clicked on that and it just loops back to errr message
>
> tried uninstalling it (3 times)
> tried restart and power down ( 3 times)   it just won't run
>
> installs with no problem but won't rn
>
> help the dummy ???
> +john
>
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>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 18:56:35 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 20:56:35 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
In-Reply-To: <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org>
References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org>
 <CAO8Q7CPxFCXtvDyEasM14Jbkfh5O4d4NGhY1FoUYYTQg650Www@mail.gmail.com>
 <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CM=O2CM7EO6JDHuho0u2odhkhgiNjiraR=QRSjCPARfJA@mail.gmail.com>

I remember studying the National Electric Code (wow - 35 years ago
now!) and seeing the mention of hickeys when calculating box capacity.
I never was really sure what one was, but we never got tested on
it...now I know for sure.

-- Jeff

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 11:07 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
> That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more:
>
> https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/
>
> Thanks!
>
> jim
>
> On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe in this category?  https://grandbrass.com/bodies/
>
> Lots more on that site that might be useful
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
>
> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing.
>
> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.
>
> thanks,
> jim
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
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>
>

From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 19:01:59 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 21:01:59 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
In-Reply-To: <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org>
References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org>
 <CAO8Q7CPxFCXtvDyEasM14Jbkfh5O4d4NGhY1FoUYYTQg650Www@mail.gmail.com>
 <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CM=ST5e9qb7h5i3j39u3_oqD2Ld47XcVPAAAxgT-FPXzg@mail.gmail.com>

I only glanced at the site the other day, but I'm thinking I could
build some nice lamps for the shop out of parts on this site.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 11:07 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
> That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more:
>
> https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/
>
> Thanks!
>
> jim
>
> On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe in this category?  https://grandbrass.com/bodies/
>
> Lots more on that site that might be useful
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
>
> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing.
>
> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.
>
> thanks,
> jim
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Mon Sep 19 06:23:02 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CM=ST5e9qb7h5i3j39u3_oqD2Ld47XcVPAAAxgT-FPXzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <023D2DA6-3325-40C3-B26D-C950B8DCDC55@groupwbench.org>
 <CAO8Q7CPxFCXtvDyEasM14Jbkfh5O4d4NGhY1FoUYYTQg650Www@mail.gmail.com>
 <1AAAFA63-AFA2-4FBD-8DFA-0A481CE819D3@groupwbench.org>
 <CAO8Q7CM=ST5e9qb7h5i3j39u3_oqD2Ld47XcVPAAAxgT-FPXzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82F1C4DC-6515-419E-AA2E-BB2B179A1E5D@groupwbench.org>

Interestingly, a 1/8 and 1/4 hickey were $2, but the 3/8 was $17. I'm pretty sure I need the 3/8, but just saw this on Amazon, which strikes a memory dealing with IPS thread size weirdness:

Question:
Is this item 3/8 IPS?
Answer:
No. It is threaded 1/8IP x 1/8IP, which is 3/8" by 3/8".

jim

> On Sep 18, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I only glanced at the site the other day, but I'm thinking I could
> build some nice lamps for the shop out of parts on this site.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 11:07 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That;s a great site (I have a lamp problem like people have drug or chocolate problems). The thing I'm looking for is called a hickey. While I'm looking for the cast style, I've seen the stamped version more:
>> 
>> https://grandbrass.com/3-8ips-x-3-8ips-stamped-hickey/
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> jim
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe in this category?  https://grandbrass.com/bodies/
>> 
>> Lots more on that site that might be useful
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm rebuilding a desk lamp where the top shade has broken off. The way the lamp is constructed, it has regular lamp nipple bringing the wires up to a 2-bulb "winged" socket unit, and another piece of lamp nipple to sandwich the shade and finial setup. It looks like those two nipples were connected by a coupler that had two holes in it for the wires to exit, and that is what broke. It wasn't a solid coupler that someone had drilled through; it was definitely cast with two...stanchions? connecting the solid threaded parts. Picture a hexagonal castle tower with 2 windows across from each other.  I've looked online for a picture to see what it's called and I'm coming up with nothing.
>> 
>> Any ideas on a name for this thing so I can find a replacement? The lamp is worth about $5 so if I had a shop I would just drill holes in a coupler, but that amount of effort in my current setup isn't worth it.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
>> 
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>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From scott.hall.personal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 15:14:39 2022
From: scott.hall.personal at gmail.com (Scott Hall)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:14:39 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Ever seen one of these welding torches?
Message-ID: <CAK73_u422zebgKMd9X2hoz8nQuSRybNJ42Skye7_50Bs56emTw@mail.gmail.com>

I got this thing:

https://imgur.com/a/Sftaaot

With a normal Victor torch. I already had a Victor torch, and really wanted
this thing. It's smaller and looks like it's easier to handle.

The guy at the gas supply says it's a Prest-o-lite torch. I can't find
anything like it online searching any variations of that name. I guess it
might be a jeweler's torch, but I don't see anything there, either, though
to be fair I am maybe the worst internet searcher ever.

I'd like to braze stuff with it. It doesn't take Victor tips, and I'm not
sure if I'm looking for a tip that screws in at the top, or one that screws
in about halfway, to the main body. The store guy said to the top.

So I guess basically anyone recognize this thing and can tell me anything
about it?

Thanks.

Scott
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 18:41:57 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Ever seen one of these welding torches?
In-Reply-To: <CAK73_u422zebgKMd9X2hoz8nQuSRybNJ42Skye7_50Bs56emTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK73_u422zebgKMd9X2hoz8nQuSRybNJ42Skye7_50Bs56emTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMi-2zVdGOYdApBcn6etBHFMCU4nwA2tOTePsvLeKpu-w@mail.gmail.com>

This won't be very helpful, but I'm fairly certain I've used a torch
like that, but a long time ago.  Prest-O-Lite is definitely a name I
remember.

I did find these two auctions on eBay, which link Prest-O-Lite and
Purox.  May be a clue for you there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165542677068

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165683937995

These two go together (I think) to make a torch similar to the one in
your photo.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 5:30 PM Scott Hall
<scott.hall.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I got this thing:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/Sftaaot
>
> With a normal Victor torch. I already had a Victor torch, and really wanted this thing. It's smaller and looks like it's easier to handle.
>
> The guy at the gas supply says it's a Prest-o-lite torch. I can't find anything like it online searching any variations of that name. I guess it might be a jeweler's torch, but I don't see anything there, either, though to be fair I am maybe the worst internet searcher ever.
>
> I'd like to braze stuff with it. It doesn't take Victor tips, and I'm not sure if I'm looking for a tip that screws in at the top, or one that screws in about halfway, to the main body. The store guy said to the top.
>
> So I guess basically anyone recognize this thing and can tell me anything about it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott
>
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Tue Sep 20 20:40:08 2022
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:40:08 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Ever seen one of these welding torches?
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I believe what you have is the basic torch body with a cutting assembly mounted. I have a small Smith torch configured much the same way, sold to me MANY years ago represented as a sheet metal torch. Its smallest tips are ideal for that type of work, but a little to hot for jewelry work. Mine came with several tips that screw on to the top of the base or handle at the adjustment valves. Still have it and use it often. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?This won't be very helpful, but I'm fairly certain I've used a torch
> like that, but a long time ago.  Prest-O-Lite is definitely a name I
> remember.
> 
> I did find these two auctions on eBay, which link Prest-O-Lite and
> Purox.  May be a clue for you there.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165542677068
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165683937995
> 
> These two go together (I think) to make a torch similar to the one in
> your photo.
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 5:30 PM Scott Hall
>> <scott.hall.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I got this thing:
>> 
>> https://imgur.com/a/Sftaaot
>> 
>> With a normal Victor torch. I already had a Victor torch, and really wanted this thing. It's smaller and looks like it's easier to handle.
>> 
>> The guy at the gas supply says it's a Prest-o-lite torch. I can't find anything like it online searching any variations of that name. I guess it might be a jeweler's torch, but I don't see anything there, either, though to be fair I am maybe the worst internet searcher ever.
>> 
>> I'd like to braze stuff with it. It doesn't take Victor tips, and I'm not sure if I'm looking for a tip that screws in at the top, or one that screws in about halfway, to the main body. The store guy said to the top.
>> 
>> So I guess basically anyone recognize this thing and can tell me anything about it?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 23:40:55 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 00:40:55 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Ever seen one of these welding torches?
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 4:28 PM Scott Hall
<scott.hall.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I got this thing:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/Sftaaot
>
> With a normal Victor torch. I already had a Victor torch, and really want=
ed this thing. It's smaller and looks like it's easier to handle.
>
> The guy at the gas supply says it's a Prest-o-lite torch. I can't find an=
ything like it online searching any variations of that name. I guess it mig=
ht be a jeweler's torch, but I don't see anything there, either, though to =
be fair I am maybe the worst internet searcher ever.
>

Prest-o-lite were an early maker of (and may have actually invented,
they certainly improved) automobile headlights, powered by acetylene.
(What could possibly go wrong?) they also made small torches; the ones
i've seen weren't like that, more like a normal torch.  Many of their
torches were air-acetylene, but some were oxy- as well.  They
disappeared before WWII, and were part of some other company, and
ended up owned by Union Carbide.  that would mean ESAB are the current
owners.  the torches are very popular jewler's torches, there has to
be some parts support for them.

One thing prest-o-lite invented that lives on is the POL fitting used
on propane cylinders (also known as CGA 510 or type 21), bull nosed
male fitting, left hand threads, maybe a hand wheel, maybe needs a
wrench.  Modern examples use an o-ring on the bullnose piece as the
sealing surface, the original design uses metal on metal contract.
For smaller applances, it's been superseded by the right hand acme
connector, but the POL is common on appliances hooked up to larger
tanks, like heaters and generators.

My first thought looking at your picture is you have a cutting torch,
missing the valve to increase oxygen flow when actually cutting.

--=20
David Scheidt
dmscheidt at gmail.com

From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 08:54:51 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:54:51 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
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> On Sep 18, 2022, at 20:23, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I remember studying the National Electric Code (wow - 35 years ago
> now!) and seeing the mention of hickeys when calculating box capacity.
> I never was really sure what one was, but we never got tested on
> it...now I know for sure.
> 

In the dark ages, electrical boxes for luminaires didn?t have tabs with screws to attach th? luminaire to. You attached the hickey to the threads of the pipe bringing the wires in, and then attached a threaded nipple to the hickey.  You could either attach the luminaire to the nipple, or thread a cross bar onto the nipple, and use the mounting holes on that.  Cross bars still have the threaded hole in the middle. 

This was a side effect of running wires in repurposed gas pipe. Our old coop was built with gas lights (and electricity, but people were not convinced it wasn?t a fad. ). The gas lights were removed, and reused as conduit for new electric lights.  In an act of supreme brilliance, the gas connection was not disconnected, just valves off, and the valves locked closed with pad locks.  A few years before I moved in, one of my neighbors smelled gas, and called the gas company.  Gas company tested for leaks, and couldn?t find it with their magic wand.  The guy could smell it, though, and traced it to their dining room chandelier. The valve had started leaking through.  The pipes were cut and capped just past the valves. 


From tjcora at icloud.com  Thu Sep 22 12:10:20 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 14:10:20 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp nipple with wire holes?
In-Reply-To: <1C9818B6-B3A6-4F14-B680-2AB56214D1BC@gmail.com>
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Wow. A blast from the past. My undergrad fraternity house was built in 1887. Fraternity bought it in 1976 and, a couple of years later, we realized that there were live gas lines running to each and every room, 1st thru 3rd floors (an urban 3 story walkup). Scary stuff...

?
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com


> On 22 Sep 2022, at 10:54 AM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2022, at 20:23, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I remember studying the National Electric Code (wow - 35 years ago
>> now!) and seeing the mention of hickeys when calculating box capacity.
>> I never was really sure what one was, but we never got tested on
>> it...now I know for sure.
>> 
> 
> In the dark ages, electrical boxes for luminaires didn?t have tabs with screws to attach th? luminaire to. You attached the hickey to the threads of the pipe bringing the wires in, and then attached a threaded nipple to the hickey.  You could either attach the luminaire to the nipple, or thread a cross bar onto the nipple, and use the mounting holes on that.  Cross bars still have the threaded hole in the middle. 
> 
> This was a side effect of running wires in repurposed gas pipe. Our old coop was built with gas lights (and electricity, but people were not convinced it wasn?t a fad. ). The gas lights were removed, and reused as conduit for new electric lights.  In an act of supreme brilliance, the gas connection was not disconnected, just valves off, and the valves locked closed with pad locks.  A few years before I moved in, one of my neighbors smelled gas, and called the gas company.  Gas company tested for leaks, and couldn?t find it with their magic wand.  The guy could smell it, though, and traced it to their dining room chandelier. The valve had started leaking through.  The pipes were cut and capped just past the valves. 
> 
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From eugene.abbondelo at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 08:39:27 2022
From: eugene.abbondelo at gmail.com (Gene Abbondelo)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 10:39:27 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
Message-ID: <CALk0K8jPiz_uKTe1L5QRUL+5kkfiSY=aOx7xtwAGT9kVqmtu_Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to find a company that sells good quality copper washers of
various sizes in kit form.  Lots of stuff on  Ebay, but not sure of the
quality.  Didn't see anything on MSC Direct or Aircraft-Spruce or McMaster
Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may have missed something.     Any
suggestions?

 Also looking for a good quality small but powerful utility light that can
get into tight places when working underneath a car.  Corded or
rechargeable battery.  I looked at stuff at Lowes and Home Depot but didn't
like any of it.  Any suggestions?

Thanks, Gene
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From parkanzky at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 09:55:38 2022
From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 11:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Sat Sep 24 12:28:45 2022
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 14:28:45 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
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		I second Paul?s recommendation of the Braun Light.  I have two so that I can recharge one while using the other. It is light, relatively powerfulI, rugged, and inexpensive.  I bought it to use in the garage, but now use it in many applications. All in all, it's The best utility light I?ve ever had. My only complaint is that it is so unobtrusive  that it?s easy to forget to remove it at the conclusion of a job.
	Best,
	Bob

> On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have two of the rechargeable slim Braun lights and I really like them.
> 
> <56329_W3.jpg>
> 390 Lumen Magnetic Slim Bar Folding Work Light
> harborfreight.com
>  <https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html>390 Lumen Magnetic Slim Bar Folding Work Light <https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html>
> harborfreight.com <https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html>
> 
> They?ve taken a heck of a beating and held up. All my friends that have come and used them end up buying one or two.
> 
> My only complaints are that the button sticks out a mile and I?m constantly hitting it accidentally when I?m using it. I unscrew the base a half-turn when I throw it in my work bag to keep it from coming on inadvertently.
> My other wish is that it folded all the way over so it would pack more easily. I used a Snap-On with a similar design that folded over onto itself and that was nice but I like the Braun better overall.
> 
> -Paul
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Gene Abbondelo <eugene.abbondelo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I'd like to find a company that sells good quality copper washers of various sizes in kit form.  Lots of stuff on  Ebay, but not sure of the quality.  Didn't see anything on MSC Direct or Aircraft-Spruce or McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may have missed something.     Any suggestions?
>> 
>>  Also looking for a good quality small but powerful utility light that can get into tight places when working underneath a car.  Corded or rechargeable battery.  I looked at stuff at Lowes and Home Depot but didn't like any of it.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks, Gene
>> _________________________________________
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Sep 24 19:24:05 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:24:05 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
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Harbor Freight has a decent assortment of copper washers:

https://www.harborfreight.com/80-piece-copper-washer-assortment-67526.html

Quality? They're copper.

For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have three arms):

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/



On 9/24/2022 11:28 AM, Rochlin Robert wrote:
> I second Paul?s recommendation of the Braun Light. ?I have two so that 
> I can recharge one while using the other. It is light, relatively 
> powerfulI, rugged, and inexpensive. ?I bought it to use in the garage, 
> but now use it in many applications. All in all, it's The best utility 
> light I?ve ever had. My only complaint is that it is so unobtrusive 
> ?that it?s easy to forget to remove it at the conclusion of a job.
> Best,
> Bob
>
>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have two of the rechargeable slim Braun lights and I really like them.
>>
>> <56329_W3.jpg>
>> 390 Lumen Magnetic Slim Bar Folding Work Light 
>> <https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html>
>> harborfreight.com 
>> <https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html>
>>
>> <https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html>
>>
>> They?ve taken a heck of a beating and held up. All my friends that 
>> have come and used them end up buying one or two.
>>
>> My only complaints are that the button sticks out a mile and I?m 
>> constantly hitting it accidentally when I?m using it. I unscrew the 
>> base a half-turn when I throw it in my work bag to keep it from 
>> coming on inadvertently.
>> My other wish is that it folded all the way over so it would pack 
>> more easily. I used a Snap-On with a similar design that folded over 
>> onto itself and that was nice but I like the Braun better overall.
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Gene Abbondelo 
>>> <eugene.abbondelo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> I'd like to find a company that sells good quality copper washers of 
>>> various sizes in kit form.? Lots of stuff on? Ebay, but not sure of 
>>> the quality.? Didn't see anything on MSC Direct or Aircraft-Spruce 
>>> or McMaster Carr in an assorted size kit, but I may have missed 
>>> something.???? Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> ?Also looking for a good quality small but powerful utility light 
>>> that can get into tight places when working underneath a car.? 
>>> Corded or rechargeable battery.? I looked at stuff at Lowes and Home 
>>> Depot but didn't like any of it.? Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Gene
>>>
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From jem at milleredp.com  Sun Sep 25 12:40:38 2022
From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:40:38 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
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> For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have three arms):
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/
> 

Bar fight time!

Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights.

Let the argument begin...;)

John.


From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 12:54:49 2022
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
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Hi John

Yes, I agree. Headlamps free-up one hand and almost always focus the beam
exactly where you are looking, which are great assets.

I never used them up until about a year ago (my wife bought me a couple of
them) and probably would not have tried them if she had not bought them,
but they are so much better than only using a trouble light or a
flashlight, etc.

Maybe they look a little goofy, but they certainly work well...

best,
doug

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 11:48 AM John Miller <jem at milleredp.com> wrote:

> > For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have three
> arms):
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/
> >
>
> Bar fight time!
>
> Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights.
>
> Let the argument begin...;)
>
> John.
>
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From jem at milleredp.com  Sun Sep 25 13:00:08 2022
From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:00:08 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
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Message-ID: <5c8340a8-b332-1b6d-e407-507894eb2cb7@milleredp.com>

> Maybe they look a little goofy, but they certainly work well...

My take is this: in the garage I'm gonna saturate the zone with light. 
It's gonna be multiple utility lights if I can manage it.  The battery 
LED stuff is good enough now that I rarely unroll a cord.

It'd never occurred to me until this discussion that I ought to have at 
least a headlight in my travel tool kit.

John.


From arvidj999 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 13:26:14 2022
From: arvidj999 at gmail.com (Arvid Jedlicka)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 14:26:14 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
In-Reply-To: <CAG1pxgamXLFsum0nAWi29iQP6EZbQ6DXPffkaO7E9bRmXwGfMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALk0K8jPiz_uKTe1L5QRUL+5kkfiSY=aOx7xtwAGT9kVqmtu_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F1151BE-B499-430F-8FA1-2EFB58A96B9D@gmail.com>
 <90685427-583D-4A69-A6B6-B7A23633BF0B@comcast.net>
 <bc41aa56-4334-d5d2-54b5-ebb8d85055f2@comcast.net>
 <f36e246d-e1d8-cab4-5699-f0ae1b977bef@milleredp.com>
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Message-ID: <6A0068AC-E288-4453-8B3B-EA3A2F5A747F@gmail.com>

And a third for the Braun light. 

They sell two versions ? just the light ... https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html <https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-work-light-56329.html> ? and a kit with several different LED heads ? https://www.harborfreight.com/421-lumen-3-in-1-quick-connect-light-kit-56200.html <https://www.harborfreight.com/421-lumen-3-in-1-quick-connect-light-kit-56200.html>. The ?just the light? is currently on sale (at least for Inside Track members) for $22.

The great thing about them is that the take the ubiquitous 18650 lithium ion battery. There are multiple vendors from which you can order better batteries and a charger if you are so inclined. That way you (a) always have charged batteries on hand and (b) you may already have stuff that uses that battery anyway. I?d previously sprung for the Panasonic 3450mAH batteries for my other devices and am astounded at the battery life when used with these lights. Definitely in the ?multiple hours of bright light? category.

The not so great thing, at least for me, is that they roll around unless you happen to be lighting up something where the light bar can be folded enough to keep it from rolling and it happens to shine were you need it in that configuration.

The magnet on the bottom of the light works well for attaching to a metal surface. To address the ?I want it to stand it up on my wooden work bench:, I looked in the junk box for a galvanized electrical cover plate and problem solved. It happened to be a rectangular plate so the ?rolling around? was also solved for most use cases.

Now if I could just fine a 18650 head lamp that wasn?t bulky and make me look like a SciFi monster I?d be home free!!

> On Sep 25, 2022, at 1:54 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi John
> 
> Yes, I agree. Headlamps free-up one hand and almost always focus the beam exactly where you are looking, which are great assets.
> 
> I never used them up until about a year ago (my wife bought me a couple of them) and probably would not have tried them if she had not bought them, but they are so much better than only using a trouble light or a flashlight, etc.
> 
> Maybe they look a little goofy, but they certainly work well...
> 
> best,
> doug

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From gene at garrison-grafixx.com  Sun Sep 25 14:33:22 2022
From: gene at garrison-grafixx.com (Gene Garrison)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:33:22 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
In-Reply-To: <5c8340a8-b332-1b6d-e407-507894eb2cb7@milleredp.com>
References: <CALk0K8jPiz_uKTe1L5QRUL+5kkfiSY=aOx7xtwAGT9kVqmtu_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F1151BE-B499-430F-8FA1-2EFB58A96B9D@gmail.com>
 <90685427-583D-4A69-A6B6-B7A23633BF0B@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <068646a8-af5c-8a43-82e7-8ceecc07987a@garrison-grafixx.com>

Of course the best answer is? ...? both.

- GeneG

On 9/25/22 12:00, John Miller wrote:
>> Maybe they look a little goofy, but they certainly work well...
>
> My take is this: in the garage I'm gonna saturate the zone with light. 
> It's gonna be multiple utility lights if I can manage it. The battery 
> LED stuff is good enough now that I rarely unroll a cord.
>
> It'd never occurred to me until this discussion that I ought to have 
> at least a headlight in my travel tool kit.
>
> John.
>
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From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org  Sun Sep 25 22:03:32 2022
From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
In-Reply-To: <CALk0K8jPiz_uKTe1L5QRUL+5kkfiSY=aOx7xtwAGT9kVqmtu_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ad6e01f5-14e7-0035-0934-8579c2d02bf3@sackheads.org>

On 9/24/22 10:39, Gene Abbondelo wrote:
> ?Also looking for a good quality small but powerful utility light that 
> can get into tight places when working underneath a car.? Corded or 
> rechargeable battery.? I looked at stuff at Lowes and Home Depot but 
> didn't like any of it.? Any suggestions?


I highly recommend an LED headlamp.? I have several headlamps but my 
favorite is a warm-tint Armytak Wizard Pro.? It wasn't cheap but it 
produces a nice diffuse light that works really well for working up 
close.? There's a lot to be said for always having your light pointed 
exactly where you're looking while having both hands free.

J


>
> Thanks, Gene
>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 04:48:51 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 06:48:51 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Where to buy copper washers & utility light
In-Reply-To: <f36e246d-e1d8-cab4-5699-f0ae1b977bef@milleredp.com>
References: <CALk0K8jPiz_uKTe1L5QRUL+5kkfiSY=aOx7xtwAGT9kVqmtu_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F1151BE-B499-430F-8FA1-2EFB58A96B9D@gmail.com>
 <90685427-583D-4A69-A6B6-B7A23633BF0B@comcast.net>
 <bc41aa56-4334-d5d2-54b5-ebb8d85055f2@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMCN-o4c0XbWr3WBnMy5hgUpG4WufBh=N1f8JXXQQMY=Q@mail.gmail.com>

This is the headlamp I use:. COAST? HL5 175 Lumen Utility LED Headlamp with
Hinged Beam Adjustment and Hard Hat Compatibility, black
https://a.co/d/hQ3Lwhi

I also have a couple of rechargeable work lights, for fill-in.  But the
headlamp works best for me.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 14:54 John Miller <jem at milleredp.com> wrote:

> > For working on cars, I prefer a headlamp (because I don't have three
> arms):
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-headlamp/
> >
>
> Bar fight time!
>
> Headlamp vs two or three magnetic/hook utility lights.
>
> Let the argument begin...;)
>
> John.
>
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From rkg at teleport.com  Tue Sep 27 12:48:22 2022
From: rkg at teleport.com (Richard George)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:48:22 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped...
 help?
Message-ID: <f7b14d3d-422c-e0e7-f286-896e12154a8e@teleport.com>

Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff 
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.? 
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at 
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident 
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned 
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a 
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a 
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the 
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes 
individually.? The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.? I don't 
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping 
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no 
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I 
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).? In addition, 
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't 
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that 
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, 
etc.? And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on 
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the 
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract 
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual 
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered 
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?? 
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)


From patintexas at icloud.com  Tue Sep 27 15:33:24 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
In-Reply-To: <f7b14d3d-422c-e0e7-f286-896e12154a8e@teleport.com>
References: <f7b14d3d-422c-e0e7-f286-896e12154a8e@teleport.com>
Message-ID: <1D713361-A947-4D5D-A840-B5A4AB9524AE@icloud.com>

Richard, can?t help w/palletizing but you might check with your local Fastenal store. Up until the pandemic they would ship palletized stuff on a space available basis but it was store to store so end point delivery would be needed. 

You might also check with hot shot services. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 27, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Richard George <rkg at teleport.com> wrote:

?Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.  I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?  Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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From eric at megageek.com  Tue Sep 27 15:34:13 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:34:13 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
In-Reply-To: <f7b14d3d-422c-e0e7-f286-896e12154a8e@teleport.com>
References: <f7b14d3d-422c-e0e7-f286-896e12154a8e@teleport.com>
Message-ID: <OF18076BC6.D488CDD4-ON852588CA.007570DB-852588CA.00767D94@mail.megageek.com>

Rkg,

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, 
go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover 
(should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of 
bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the 
bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping. 

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you 
know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many 
pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck 
(best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just 
means you'll pay more.

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, 
they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a 
forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick 
up day.
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a 
paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best 
way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the 
standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 
40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need 
pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things 
together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid of 
mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop 
it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee 
for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it 
and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From:   Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>
To:     shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets 
shipped... help?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff 
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.  
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at 
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident 
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned 
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a 
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a 
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the 
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes 
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't 
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping 
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no 
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I 
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition, 
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't 
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that 
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, 
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on 
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the 
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract 
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual 
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered 
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?  
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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From maynerdfamily at msn.com  Tue Sep 27 16:49:10 2022
From: maynerdfamily at msn.com (Brian and Wendy Warrick)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 22:49:10 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR07MB3978F44DA26C372EB066B360BB559@MW2PR07MB3978.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <f7b14d3d-422c-e0e7-f286-896e12154a8e@teleport.com>
 <OF18076BC6.D488CDD4-ON852588CA.007570DB-852588CA.00767D94@mail.megageek.com>
 <MW2PR07MB3978F44DA26C372EB066B360BB559@MW2PR07MB3978.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MW2PR07MB3978CE67E47C00C443CAD819BB559@MW2PR07MB3978.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>


To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS

https://www.pods.com/

If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be the way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auction House. No pallets or strapping needed.

Brian
Nampa, ID
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?

Rkg,

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From:        Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>
To:        shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
________________________________



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition,
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Tue Sep 27 17:02:09 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 23:02:09 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fastenal Re: palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
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Not knowing where the OP lives or is shipping to, I will offer this:

I check somewhat monthly to see if Fastenal is shipping west of the Rockies. Last check nothing was being shipped either direction over the Rockies.

tim
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 4:33 PM
To: Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?

Richard, can?t help w/palletizing but you might check with your local Fastenal store. Up until the pandemic they would ship palletized stuff on a space available basis but it was store to store so end point delivery would be needed.

You might also check with hot shot services.

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 27, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Richard George <rkg at teleport.com> wrote:

?Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.  I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?  Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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From patintexas at icloud.com  Tue Sep 27 17:14:29 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:14:29 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
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Good idea, Eric. 

There are also 10? containers but I?ve only seen a few of them. If a 20? is overkill it wouldn?t hurt to see if one is available. 

Also, if you need more space than will fit in a standard container, there are taller ones called high cube. 

Peace, 
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:28 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:

?Rkg, 

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.) 

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets. 

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.   

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, that is much better. 

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more. 

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day. 
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad. 
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work. 

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it. 

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'. 

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items. 

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away. 

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this. 

Moose 




From:        Richard George <rkg at teleport.com> 
To:        shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net> 
Date:        09/27/2022 05:15 PM 
Subject:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help? 
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> 



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff 
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.  
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at 
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident 
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned 
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a 
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a 
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the 
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes 
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't 
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping 
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no 
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I 
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition, 
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't 
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that 
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, 
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on 
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the 
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract 
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual 
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered 
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?  
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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From gsteve at hammatt.com  Tue Sep 27 17:15:06 2022
From: gsteve at hammatt.com (gsteve at hammatt.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:15:06 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fiddlin' with the wiring.....
Message-ID: <000001d8d2c6$fb48cf00$f1da6d00$@hammatt.com>

Present conditions (shop electrical, all recently installed by certified
electrician):

I have a 220V/1phase 20A per leg circuit going to a small davit crane
mounted 

on the top if my office, inside my shop.  Used occasionally to lift light
loads for storage.

Desire:  convert an adjacent 110V 15A quadplex outlets box to one duplex
outlet 

remaining 15A while splitting the remaining duplex outlet to 2ea outlets,
20A each. 

In other words, splitting power off the 220V/20A circuit into 2 individual
outlets, 

110V/20A (utilizing sides A and B from the 220V source).

Here's the other situation, I want to insert a rotary switch A-OFF-B to
switch between 

Using ONLY the 220V circuit OR the 110V circuits.

Anyone have recommendations as to a recommended rotary chang over switch?

 

Does this make sense?  I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the correct
terminology here, but 

I hope I'm making some sense. 

 

Steve Hammatt

Mount Vernon WA USA

LeatherPlates.com <https://leatherplates.com/> 

 

 

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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 19:44:18 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 20:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fiddlin' with the wiring.....
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References: <000001d8d2c6$fb48cf00$f1da6d00$@hammatt.com>
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> On Sep 27, 2022, at 19:12, gsteve at hammatt.com wrote:
> 
> ?
> Present conditions (shop electrical, all recently installed by certified electrician):
> I have a 220V/1phase 20A per leg circuit going to a small davit crane mounted
> on the top if my office, inside my shop.  Used occasionally to lift light loads for storage.
> Desire:  convert an adjacent 110V 15A quadplex outlets box to one duplex outlet
> remaining 15A while splitting the remaining duplex outlet to 2ea outlets, 20A each.
> In other words, splitting power off the 220V/20A circuit into 2 individual outlets,
> 110V/20A (utilizing sides A and B from the 220V source).
> Here?s the other situation, I want to insert a rotary switch A-OFF-B to switch between
> Using ONLY the 220V circuit OR the 110V circuits.
> Anyone have recommendations as to a recommended rotary chang over switch?
>  
> Does this make sense?  I?m sorry I?m not familiar with the correct terminology here, but
> I hope I?m making some sense.
>  

I understand what you want to do. I have no idea why you want to.   Assuming you have a three wire (plus ground, but I?ll ignore ground) circuit to your crqne, you simply extend it to your other box. Break the tab on the hot side of the outlet, land one leg to each hot screw, neutral to the other side.  Done. The breaker will take care of overload, it will trip both legs, even if only one is overloaded. 

Th? problem you are likely to have is you have no neutral at your crane, because most motor loads don?t need one.  If you have conduit, adding one is possible and maybe easy. If you don?t, you need to pull a new circuit.  In that cas probably don?t need to share with the crane. 



> Steve Hammatt
> Mount Vernon WA USA
> LeatherPlates.com
>  
>  
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Sep 28 05:32:10 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 11:32:10 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
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One of my daughters used a PODS to move cross country to her first church (she is a Lutheran Pastor). She found out the hard way that they don't guarantee water tight and will not cover damage due to this.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian and Wendy Warrick <maynerdfamily at msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 5:49 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?


To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS

https://www.pods.com/

If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be the way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auction House. No pallets or strapping needed.

Brian
Nampa, ID
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?

Rkg,

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From:        Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>
To:        shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
________________________________



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition,
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Sep 28 05:42:31 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 11:42:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR07MB3978CE67E47C00C443CAD819BB559@MW2PR07MB3978.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <MW2PR07MB3978F44DA26C372EB066B360BB559@MW2PR07MB3978.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <1627412484.1779487.1664365351037@mail.yahoo.com>

 PODS or equivalent such as PACKRAT.https://www.1800packrat.com/
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian and Wendy Warrick <maynerdfamily at msn.com>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2022 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?

 #yiv6113902975 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}
To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS
https://www.pods.com/

If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be the way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auction House. No pallets or strapping needed.
BrianNampa, IDFrom: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help??Rkg, 

There are a few options. ?If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.) ?They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap. ?Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets. 

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet. ?Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping. ?

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions. ?If you know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped. ?You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.) ?If not, you are a 'ltt' ?(less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more. 

Let them know you need a lift gate. ?IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them. ?If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day. 
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end. ?If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.) ?You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own. ?You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together. ?This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items. 

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side. ?They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away. 

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose 




From: ? ? ? ?Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>
To: ? ? ? ?shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date: ? ? ? ?09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subject: ? ? ? ?[Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Sent by: ? ? ? ?"Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff 
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.? 
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at 
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident 
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned 
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a 
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a 
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the 
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes 
individually.? The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.? I don't 
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping 
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no 
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I 
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).? In addition, 
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't 
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that 
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, 
etc.? And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on 
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the 
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract 
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual 
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered 
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?? 
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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From rkg at teleport.com  Wed Sep 28 11:01:09 2022
From: rkg at teleport.com (Richard George)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
In-Reply-To: <6BB4B3EE-5ADA-474A-B906-29F8CF4142E8@juno.com>
References: <6BB4B3EE-5ADA-474A-B906-29F8CF4142E8@juno.com>
Message-ID: <9987e7ff-06c6-4962-f47e-a3461314722e@teleport.com>

First off, Thanks to everybody who took the time to reply!

I see I managed to not include some basic info: The boxes need to go 
from Oregon to New York. The recipient has a loading dock/pallet 
handling "stuff" (jacks, forklift, etc), but as I noted before, I don't :-/

As many people suggested checking out PODs, I checked their website and 
their automated tool says they won't deliver to the zipcode of the 
recipient and suggested using upack (https://www.upack.com/) instead.

It also sounds like I need to get a better handle on the weight/volume 
in order to even ask the right questions to the various shipping vendors 
and will go work on that next.

Thanks again,
rkg
(Richard George)

P.S.? As with a lot of other people around here, I've had it with 
Portland (diatribe omitted to keep from threadjacking myself), and 
actually need to have a number of repairs done to our house before 
putting it on the market.? To get some stuff out of the way of where the 
work needs to get done I was thinking of using a PODs to store some of 
our household goods while the work was being done.? Thanks to Tim for 
mentioning water issues/I'll look into that in the fine print (it rains 
a fair amount here, and...).


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets 
shipped... help?
Date: 	Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:52:10 -0400
From: 	George P. Dausch IV <GPD4 at juno.com>
To: 	Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>



 From where to where?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Richard George <rkg at teleport.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi,
>
> I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff 
> (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned 
> off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes 
> sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is 
> confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally 
> envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium 
> moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think).
>
> I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be 
> a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the 
> auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes 
> individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't 
> have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping 
> (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, 
> no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but 
> I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, 
> while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I 
> haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for 
> shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight 
> company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt 
> with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well 
> (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch 
> on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, 
> there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster 
> surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)).
>
> So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.
>
> Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it 
> delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the 
> pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out 
> there, or...?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> rkg
>
> (Richard George)
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Sep 28 12:00:50 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:00:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
In-Reply-To: <9987e7ff-06c6-4962-f47e-a3461314722e@teleport.com>
References: <6BB4B3EE-5ADA-474A-B906-29F8CF4142E8@juno.com>
 <9987e7ff-06c6-4962-f47e-a3461314722e@teleport.com>
Message-ID: <547836586.1983205.1664388050269@mail.yahoo.com>

 My experience with Pack-Rat but I doubt PODS is any different.? The containers are "Rain Proof" in that they shed water but if you put one on a flat-bed trailer and drive through a rain storm water will find its way in.? If you are just storing I doubt you will have any issues.? And, typically, they store the pod inside a warehouse anyway.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2022 12:01 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?

  First off, Thanks to everybody who took the time to reply! I see I managed to not include some basic info: The boxes need to go from Oregon to New York. The recipient has a loading dock/pallet handling "stuff" (jacks, forklift, etc), but as I noted before, I don't :-/
  As many people suggested checking out PODs, I checked their website and their automated tool says they won't deliver to the zipcode of the recipient and suggested using upack (https://www.upack.com/) instead. It also sounds like I need to get a better handle on the weight/volume in order to even ask the right questions to the various shipping vendors and will go work on that next.
  Thanks again, 
  rkg (Richard George) 
  P.S.? As with a lot of other people around here, I've had it with Portland (diatribe omitted to keep from threadjacking myself), and actually need to have a number of repairs done to our house before putting it on the market.? To get some stuff out of the way of where the work needs to get done I was thinking of using a PODs to store some of our household goods while the work was being done.? Thanks to Tim for mentioning water issues/I'll look into that in the fine print (it rains a fair amount here, and...).
  
  
  -------- Forwarded Message -------- 
| Subject:  | Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help? |
| Date:  | Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:52:10 -0400 |
| From:  | George P. Dausch IV <GPD4 at juno.com> |
| To:  | Richard George <rkg at teleport.com> |

 
 
 From where to where?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
On Sep 27, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Richard George <rkg at teleport.com> wrote:
 
 ?Hi,
 
 I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a few banker boxes, etc I think).
 
 I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes individually. The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that. I don't have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc). In addition, while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, etc. And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 hood omitted)).
 
 So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.
 
 Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 rkg
 
 (Richard George)
 
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