From rkg at teleport.com  Wed Oct 19 11:24:08 2022
From: rkg at teleport.com (Richard George)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 10:24:08 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets
 shipped... help?
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Hi everybody.

First off, thank you again for all your input on this shipping issue.? I 
got it done, and thought I would share the "experience" in case anybody 
else is confronted with this.

In the end, I got the total number of boxes down to 24, weighing ~450 
lb. and taking up ~40 ft^3

After much calling, I found that -if- I had it palletized and had a 
loading dock/pallet handling gear, I could get it to its destination for 
$600-800 (There were some services that look for available space that 
might well have been less, but you don't know their best price until you 
have the items ready to go and then request a number) - lift truck for 
pallet added $50 or so.? The problem is that I wasn't there (no pallet 
handling gear, have never palletized stuff, etc) - I needed somebody to 
palletize the stuff and stick it on whatever truck was going cross 
country.? I found several companies that do this, but it wasn't cheap - 
lowest quote was $1800 to pick up the boxes, palletize, and send them to 
the destination).

The PODS guys wouldn't deliver a cube to the auction house's location 
and recommended U-pack.? A quote for moving the smallest cube they have 
to the auction house's address was $3700 (ouch).

What did I do?? I ended up shipping them all by UPS ground using 
pirateship - doing that, it cost me ~$860 to send the 24 boxes to the 
auction house, which was more or less what the more expensive freight 
quotes were.

Best,

rkg

(Richard George)


On 9/28/2022 4:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> PODS or equivalent such as PACKRAT.
> https://www.1800packrat.com/
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian and Wendy Warrick <maynerdfamily at msn.com>
> To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2022 5:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets 
> shipped... help?
>
>
> To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS
>
> https://www.pods.com/
>
> If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could 
> be the way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it 
> to the Auction House. No pallets or strapping needed.
>
> Brian
> Nampa, ID
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of 
> eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
> *To:* Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets 
> shipped... help?
> Rkg,
>
> There are a few options. ?If you only have a few pallets worth of 
> items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)
>
> Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool 
> cover (should be easy this time of year.) ?They are large plastic 
> blankets of bubble wrap. ?Also, you'll find a TON of people giving 
> away pallets.
>
> Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet. ?Then wrap in 
> the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.
>
> Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions. ?If 
> you know the weight, that is much better.
>
> Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X 
> many pallets that need to be shipped. ?You may have enough for a full 
> truck (best bet.) ?If not, you are a 'ltt' ?(less than truckload.) 
> this just means you'll pay more.
>
> Let them know you need a lift gate. ?IF you have a good paved 
> driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them. ?If not, you may 
> have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come 
> over on the pick up day.
> Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end. ?If you have a 
> paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
> That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.
>
> IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the 
> best way to do it.
>
> Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' 
> (the standard shipping container.) ?You'll have to decide if you need 
> a 20' or 40'.
>
> They will drop it off for you to load on your own. ?You don't need 
> pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge 
> things together. ?This is also a good time to find people getting rid 
> of mattresses and you can put them in between items.
>
> You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and 
> drop it off for you to unload at the other side. ?They normally charge 
> a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to 
> load it and unload it right away.
>
> If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
>
> From: Richard George <rkg at teleport.com>
> To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date: 09/27/2022 05:15 PM
> Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets 
> shipped... help?
> Sent by: "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
> (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off.
> I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at
> a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
> they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned
> (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
> few banker boxes, etc I think).
>
> I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a
> lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
> auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
> individually.? The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.? I don't
> have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
> (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no
> pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
> think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).? In addition,
> while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't
> ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that
> the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,
> etc.? And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on
> the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
> companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
> additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
> delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
> hood omitted)).
>
> So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.
>
> Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered
> that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc?
> Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> rkg
>
> (Richard George)
>
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 14:07:37 2022
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 13:07:37 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
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Posting for a friend:

 

I have purchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire Conditioner. 

I'm overhauling it to hopefully use to shave tires on wire wheels.

I have all the mechanical issues resolved but am stumped when it comes to
rewiring the 110 volt single phase reversable cutter motor.

Anyone out there who is knowledgeable on AC motor wiring who would be
prepared to offer some assistance. 

 

 

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From scott.hall.personal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 16:29:53 2022
From: scott.hall.personal at gmail.com (Scott Hall)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 00:29:53 +0200
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply
Message-ID: <CAK73_u6W82iHGWSs1B0kR0Mo5hPsmHnL+kk6cd5Dc6eYbm8_0w@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here.
The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France
(where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S.,
they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in
France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a
partner licensee.

Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz
supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with
a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a
dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This
is also coming from a sales guy.

The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an
iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at
temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the
10hz frequency difference.

The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only
parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function
is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I
wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to
temp. and to recover during use.

Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts?

Thanks fellas.

Scott
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Fri Oct 21 18:42:18 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply
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Scott, generally converting from 50hz to 60hz is not a problem if the device doesn?t rely on the line frequency for timing. The other thing is that it probably hasn?t been submitted for US certification. 

The only time I?ve seen any problem was when converting a 60hz audio amplifier to 50hz, there was a bit of hum but other than that, it worked fine. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:34 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Guys,

I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee.

Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy.

The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference.

The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use.

Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts?

Thanks fellas.

Scott
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Fri Oct 21 18:46:05 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 20:46:05 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply
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I can't speak for that unit but a UK friend brought his tea kettle to the US and wired it to fit in a 220v dryer outlet. But he's a EE...

jim

> On Oct 21, 2022, at 6:29 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee.
> 
> Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy.
> 
> The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference.
> 
> The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use.
> 
> Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks fellas.
> 
> Scott
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From lists at dinospider.com  Fri Oct 21 22:29:45 2022
From: lists at dinospider.com (Mike Rambour)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 21:29:45 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply
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 Years ago I brought back a Raclette machine from France.   It was designed for 50hz and I wired it into a USA 60hz 220v with modified plug and it works fine, still does.  

Now you can buy raclette machines here in the USA but near 20 years ago you could not

 Mike

Sent via rubber ducky

> On Oct 21, 2022, at 20:32, Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I can't speak for that unit but a UK friend brought his tea kettle to the US and wired it to fit in a 220v dryer outlet. But he's a EE...
> 
> jim
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 6:29 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee.
>> 
>> Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy.
>> 
>> The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference.
>> 
>> The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use.
>> 
>> Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks fellas.
>> 
>> Scott
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Oct 22 05:38:12 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:38:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply
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 First off, a resistance heater don't care about frequency.? It will be happy with DC.? 

If the thermostat is just the old-school mechanical bi-metal thermostat (still the cheapest way to go) it will work just fine on 60 Hz, too.? If there are electronic controls the odds are really good that they will work just fine (actually better?) at 60Hz vs 50Hz.
BTW most line-powered electronics these days will work on either 50 or 60 Hz and many will work over the 90 -264 Volt range making then suitable for use in US and EU.

C'est simple. Cette plateau de chauffage va marche bien chez toi ! 
 
Dave 

BTW, I'm jealous.? Do you need someone to carry your bags?
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal at gmail.com>
To: shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 5:29 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply

Guys,
I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee.
Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy.
The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference.
The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use.
Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts?
Thanks fellas.
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Oct 22 05:55:55 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:55:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
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 I'm not familiar with your application but a typical reversable AC motor is controlled by a SPST center-off switch.? The motor has three leads.? One is connected to neutral directly.? The other tow wires have a run capacitor connected between them.? Applying power to one of these two leads will make the motor run in one direction and applying power to the other lead will make the motor run in the opposite direction.? There should be a label on the motor somewhere indicating which wire is which.
 
Dave 


 
 
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To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 3:07 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring

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From tjcora at icloud.com  Sat Oct 22 06:33:41 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 08:33:41 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply
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Your assumption that a simple resistance element doesn?t care about 50Hz vs 60Hz is spot on, Scott.

The only potential gotcha is the thermostat and how it works. Likely as not, it?s some kind of bimetallic strip type deal (I have a waffle iron which works this way) and that, too, is not going to care about the line frequency.

I?d go for it.

?
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com


> On 21 Oct 2022, at 6:29 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee.
> 
> Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy.
> 
> The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference.
> 
> The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use.
> 
> Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks fellas.
> 
> Scott
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From tjcora at icloud.com  Sat Oct 22 06:34:41 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 08:34:41 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
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Al: What?s your definition of ?rewiring?? Does it not have any wiring in the first place?

?
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com


> On 21 Oct 2022, at 4:07 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Posting for a friend:
>  
> I have purchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire Conditioner. 
> I'm overhauling it to hopefully use to shave tires on wire wheels.
> I have all the mechanical issues resolved but am stumped when it comes to rewiring the 110 volt single phase reversable cutter motor.
> Anyone out there who is knowledgeable on AC motor wiring who would be prepared to offer some assistance. 
>  
>  
> ----------------
> All the best,
>  
> Al Fuller
>  
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From jniolon at att.net  Sat Oct 22 14:43:03 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 15:43:03 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold 
day...
 
Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds 
the pilot lit
Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
 
lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
 
pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button... 
flame is on the thermocouple
 
what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???
 
thanks
john
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From scott.hall.personal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 15:37:58 2022
From: scott.hall.personal at gmail.com (Scott Hall)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 23:37:58 +0200
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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Bad thermocouple. Or at least it's usually that. I'd replace that first if
it's cheap.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 11:34 PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first
> cold day...
>
> Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few
> seconds the pilot lit
> Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
>
> lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
>
> pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...
> flame is on the thermocouple
>
> what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???
>
> thanks
> john
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Oct 22 15:51:28 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 16:51:28 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Take it out & find someone who can test it. If they say it?s bad, replace it, if they say it?s good, it is probably good. I had one decades ago that tested good but wouldn?t work with the pilot flame. The end @ the pilot should not be corroded or loose. If you have a voltmeter you can do a rough (no load test) to see if it?s bad. Should be plenty of videos on line. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

?
Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...
 
Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
 
lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
 
pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...
flame is on the thermocouple
 
what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???
 
thanks
john
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Oct 22 16:08:33 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 22:08:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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 That is the least expensive and the easiest to replace part in the system so start there.
 
Dave 


 
 
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Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 3:43 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem

 Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...?Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot litHeld the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out?lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill?pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button... flame is on the thermocouple?what you think >>>? bad thermocouple ????thanksjohn_______________________________________________

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From dhlocker at protonmail.com  Sat Oct 22 17:02:05 2022
From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 23:02:05 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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Agreed, though it might be possible to check that the thermocouple contacts are clean first. Especially if the thermocouple is spendy or hard to get.

Donald.

On 10/22/22 17:37, Scott Hall wrote:

> Bad thermocouple. Or at least it's usually that. I'd replace that first if it's cheap.
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 11:34 PM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...
>>
>> Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
>> Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
>>
>> lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
>>
>> pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...
>> flame is on the thermocouple
>>
>> what you think >>> bad thermocouple ???
>>
>> thanks
>> john
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From JIBrooks at live.com  Sat Oct 22 17:49:47 2022
From: JIBrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 23:49:47 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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Spider webs in the intake tube?

Jack

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of john
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 1:43 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem

Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...

Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out

lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill

pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...
flame is on the thermocouple

what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???

thanks
john
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 19:44:44 2022
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 21:44:44 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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Not to insult anyone?s intelligence, but before replacing it, make certain it is properly in the pilot light flame.  I had this happen years ago on a water heater and it drove me crazy until I bent it slightly to move it back into the flame.  It was fine from then on.

> On Oct 22, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Take it out & find someone who can test it. If they say it?s bad, replace it, if they say it?s good, it is probably good. I had one decades ago that tested good but wouldn?t work with the pilot flame. The end @ the pilot should not be corroded or loose. If you have a voltmeter you can do a rough (no load test) to see if it?s bad. Should be plenty of videos on line. 
> 
> Peace,
> Pat
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...
>  
> Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
> Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
>  
> lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
>  
> pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...
> flame is on the thermocouple
>  
> what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???
>  
> thanks
> john
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Oct 22 21:39:53 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 22:39:53 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem
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+1, Jim! Thanks. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 22, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:

?Not to insult anyone?s intelligence, but before replacing it, make certain it is properly in the pilot light flame.  I had this happen years ago on a water heater and it drove me crazy until I bent it slightly to move it back into the flame.  It was fine from then on.

> On Oct 22, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Take it out & find someone who can test it. If they say it?s bad, replace it, if they say it?s good, it is probably good. I had one decades ago that tested good but wouldn?t work with the pilot flame. The end @ the pilot should not be corroded or loose. If you have a voltmeter you can do a rough (no load test) to see if it?s bad. Should be plenty of videos on line. 
> 
> Peace,
> Pat
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...
>  
> Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
> Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
>  
> lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
>  
> pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...
> flame is on the thermocouple
>  
> what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???
>  
> thanks
> john
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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Sat Oct 22 21:41:50 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 23:41:50 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater  probem
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At 04:43 PM 10/22/2022, you wrote:

 >Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that 
first cold day...

 >Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a 
few seconds the
 >pilot lit  Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
 >
 >lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
 >
 >pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot 
button...   flame is on the
 >thermocouple

 >what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???

John,

Could be the thermocouple.  How old is the unit.  I have a set of gas 
logs that has
the same sort of set up.  But when I turn them on for the 1st 
time,  I have to really
heat up the thermocouple with a lighter for quite a while, other wise 
the pilot lite
goes out.  I think it's just that the thermocouple is cold and 
doesn't heat up quickly.
consiquently turning off the pilot light when you release the "start" button.

I'd say try holding the "start" button on for at least a minute or 
try using a lighter
to heat it up for at least a minute or two and see if that works.

John




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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 08:39:52 2022
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 07:39:52 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
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Hi Tom:

I'm not sure what wiring (if any) the machine came to him with. 

As someone already commented, there may also be a wiring diagram on the motor to help with this, too:

["I'm not familiar with your application but a typical reversable AC motor is controlled by a SPST center-off switch.  The motor has three leads.  One is connected to neutral directly.  The other tow wires have a run capacitor connected between them.  Applying power to one of these two leads will make the motor run in one direction and applying power to the other lead will make the motor run in the opposite direction.  There should be a label on the motor somewhere indicating which wire is which."]

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All the best,

Al Fuller

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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Coradeschi
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 5:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring

Al: What?s your definition of ?rewiring?? Does it not have any wiring in the first place?

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Tom Coradeschi
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> On 21 Oct 2022, at 4:07 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Posting for a friend:
>  
> I have purchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire Conditioner. 
> I'm overhauling it to hopefully use to shave tires on wire wheels.
> I have all the mechanical issues resolved but am stumped when it comes to rewiring the 110 volt single phase reversable cutter motor.
> Anyone out there who is knowledgeable on AC motor wiring who would be prepared to offer some assistance. 
>  
>  
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> All the best,
>  
> Al Fuller
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 09:20:55 2022
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:20:55 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] solved - 110v motor wiring
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Thanks to those who responded!  It appears the tire machine is now working:

 

"Thank you all who responded to my request for help. 

With guidance from several and in particular Oliver Viitamaki I have managed
to figure out the wiring and the machine is running beautifully. "

 

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All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

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From tjcora at icloud.com  Tue Oct 25 17:25:18 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:25:18 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] solved - 110v motor wiring
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Awesome!

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Tom Coradeschi
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> On 25 Oct 2022, at 11:20 AM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks to those who responded!  It appears the tire machine is now working:
>  
> ?Thank you all who responded to my request for help. 
> With guidance from several and in particular Oliver Viitamaki I have managed to figure out the wiring and the machine is running beautifully. ?
>  
> ----------------
> All the best,
>  
> Al Fuller
>  
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