From ronnie.day at gmail.com Sat May 7 10:57:50 2022 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 11:57:50 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery powered chain saws Message-ID: We're considering buying one of the above pieces of equipment. We live on 10 heavily wooded acres and while we already have a couple of Stihl gas models, we want something lighter and easier to use for limbing and cleanup after a tree has been dropped. Something in the 16 inch range. We'll need at least two heavy duty batteries. We have an Ego battery weed eater that we like, but the Consumer Reports user comments cite a problem with keeping the Ego chain saw chain on the bar, requiring frequent "fixes", and I don't want that PITA. We have a Ryobi One model and a bunch of batteries, but it's far too light duty for our needs. We want battery power since we'll often be too far away from power to use an extension crn. Thought I'd see what experience those in the group have had. 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On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 11:59 AM Ronnie Day wrote: > We're considering buying one of the above pieces of equipment. We live on > 10 heavily wooded acres and while we already have a couple of Stihl gas > models, we want something lighter and easier to use for limbing and cleanup > after a tree has been dropped. Something in the 16 inch range. We'll need > at least two heavy duty batteries. > > We have an Ego battery weed eater that we like, but the Consumer Reports > user comments cite a problem with keeping the Ego chain saw chain on the > bar, requiring frequent "fixes", and I don't want that PITA. We have a > Ryobi One model and a bunch of batteries, but it's far too light duty for > our needs. We want battery power since we'll often be too far away from > power to use an extension crn. > > Thought I'd see what experience those in the group have had. > > TIA, > RD > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Sat May 7 11:19:25 2022 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 13:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery powered chain saws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is an article I wrote on them for the 'best and worst' in Farm Show Magazine... In short, stay away from the DeWalt and get the Milwaukee. I love DeWalt products, but their 18? electric chainsaw has two major design flaws that makes it a ?worst buy.? (Note, it goes by many different model numbers, all to date have these issues.) You can search the internet and see that these are known issues with them. The first is that the bar is held on by a single plastic knob, which has a ?clutch? to prevent over tightening. However, it does not provide effort support for the bar. The chain easily jumps out of the bar. The second problem is that the chainsaw will leak all its bar oil when you set it down. There is a screw hole to hang it in a position that prevents the leak but transporting it in a car or on a quad will allow the oil to leak all over and you will need to refill it when you get where you are going. DeWalt?s official response is to drain the oil before transportation. That is not practical nor acceptable. In contrast, the Milwaukee 18? electric chainsaw is light years better. It does not leak oil at all. The bar is held on with the standard two screws. The tool for the screws is actually stored under the handle to make it even more convenient. To be fair, both chainsaws have excellent battery options. This makes it easy to tailor runs times to weight. Both have a very narrow kerf to allow them to preform like their gas-powered brothers. If it was not for DeWalt?s two design flaws, either would be a great addition to any logger?s kit. Note, these chainsaws are not going to fell 12? or bigger trees, but are ideal for delimbing down trees, or even bucking the logs. I have contacted DeWalt about the issues and they did not provide any meaningful response. I am a firewood producer, so I put my gear to the test daily. Moose From: Ronnie Day To: Shop-Talk List Date: 05/07/2022 12:58 Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery powered chain saws Sent by: "Shop-talk" We're considering buying one of the above pieces of equipment. We live on 10 heavily wooded acres and while we already have a couple of Stihl gas models, we want something lighter and easier to use for limbing and cleanup after a tree has been dropped. Something in the 16 inch range. We'll need at least two heavy duty batteries. We have an Ego battery weed eater that we like, but the Consumer Reports user comments cite a problem with keeping the Ego chain saw chain on the bar, requiring frequent "fixes", and I don't want that PITA. We have a Ryobi One model and a bunch of batteries, but it's far too light duty for our needs. We want battery power since we'll often be too far away from power to use an extension crn. Thought I'd see what experience those in the group have had. TIA, RD _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marka at maracing.com Sat May 7 11:32:36 2022 From: marka at maracing.com (Mark Andy) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 13:32:36 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery powered chain saws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy, My normal advice is to stick with the battery ecosystem that you're already in, but maybe that doesn't work here... I have the Milwaukee 18v chainsaw and it's been great for my (fairly light overall) use. No issues to speak of. When I needed to clean up an 18"+ tree that fell, it even did that fine, as long as I kept feeding it batteries. For really heavy cuts, I needed to use the HD batteries or it would draw enough current to shut the saw down due to battery overheat (at least, I assume that's what was happening) Wasn't an issue with the HD 9 or 12 batteries I had. My dad has a Stihl battery saw he got probably 5-ish years ago? AFAIK he has no complaints with that at all. If I were buying without a battery ecosystem in mind, I would probably tend toward the Stihl, just because of the name. But I'll be interested to hear what others have to say! Mark On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 12:58 PM Ronnie Day wrote: > We're considering buying one of the above pieces of equipment. We live on > 10 heavily wooded acres and while we already have a couple of Stihl gas > models, we want something lighter and easier to use for limbing and cleanup > after a tree has been dropped. Something in the 16 inch range. We'll need > at least two heavy duty batteries. > > We have an Ego battery weed eater that we like, but the Consumer Reports > user comments cite a problem with keeping the Ego chain saw chain on the > bar, requiring frequent "fixes", and I don't want that PITA. We have a > Ryobi One model and a bunch of batteries, but it's far too light duty for > our needs. We want battery power since we'll often be too far away from > power to use an extension crn. > > Thought I'd see what experience those in the group have had. > > TIA, > RD > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka at maracing.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 19, 2022, at 7:47 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: ?Hey gang, it's been quite here lately. I have a 275 gal oil tank that I use for diesel fuel for my tractors. It got the bio-sludge in it. I have removed all the oil (there was only a little left in it.) What is the best way to clean this? Should I light a fire it in? Water? simple green? Any ideas? Thanks. Moose _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Thu May 19 07:20:26 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 09:20:26 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fire is an interesting solution, and will certainly inactivate most biologicals, but can be difficult to tame. What about bleach? On Thu, May 19, 2022, 08:47 wrote: > Hey gang, it's been quite here lately. > > I have a 275 gal oil tank that I use for diesel fuel for my tractors. > > It got the bio-sludge in it. I have removed all the oil (there was only a > little left in it.) > > What is the best way to clean this? Should I light a fire it in? Water? > simple green? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Thu May 19 07:26:06 2022 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 09:26:06 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How much bleach would I need for that size tank? What water mixture ratio do you think would work? From: Jeff Scarbrough To: eric at megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" Date: 05/19/2022 09:20 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank Fire is an interesting solution, and will certainly inactivate most biologicals, but can be difficult to tame. What about bleach? On Thu, May 19, 2022, 08:47 wrote: Hey gang, it's been quite here lately. I have a 275 gal oil tank that I use for diesel fuel for my tractors. It got the bio-sludge in it. I have removed all the oil (there was only a little left in it.) What is the best way to clean this? Should I light a fire it in? Water? simple green? Any ideas? Thanks. Moose _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Thu May 19 07:38:28 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 09:38:28 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 10% for 10 minutes is what we used in the biosafety business. There may be other products such as quaternary solutions that might also work at lower rates. 10% of a biocidal bleach could be 15 jugs - could get expensive. There Aren't their products that prevent biosludge in Diesel fuel? We used to get a jug of something to pour in the 1400 gallon generator tank to keep it from growing...Would that work to eliminate the problem? I found this link to a video that may be a sales pitch, but illustrates one such product to clean the tank. https://youtu.be/mMLrtVa6yVI Search I used to find that: https://www.google.com/search?q=eliminate+biosludge+from+diesel+storage+tanks&oq=eliminate+biosludge+from+diesel+sto On Thu, May 19, 2022, 09:26 wrote: > How much bleach would I need for that size tank? What water mixture ratio > do you think would work? > > > > From: Jeff Scarbrough > To: eric at megageek.com > Cc: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" > Date: 05/19/2022 09:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank > ------------------------------ > > > > Fire is an interesting solution, and will certainly inactivate most > biologicals, but can be difficult to tame. > > What about bleach? > > On Thu, May 19, 2022, 08:47 <*eric at megageek.com* > > wrote: > Hey gang, it's been quite here lately. > > I have a 275 gal oil tank that I use for diesel fuel for my tractors. > > It got the bio-sludge in it. I have removed all the oil (there was only a > little left in it.) > > What is the best way to clean this? Should I light a fire it in? Water? > simple green? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > *Shop-talk at autox.team.net* > Donate: *http://www.team.net/donate.html* > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: *http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk* > *http://autox.team.net/archive* > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > *http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com* > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Thu May 19 08:09:43 2022 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 09:09:43 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On May 19, 2022, at 07:47, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?Hey gang, it's been quite here lately. > > I have a 275 gal oil tank that I use for diesel fuel for my tractors. > > It got the bio-sludge in it. I have removed all the oil (there was only a little left in it.) > > What is the best way to clean this? Should I light a fire it in? Water? simple green? Mechanical removal is the only way to deal with build up luke that. An air powered vac is best, assuming the tank doesn?t have access covers, to reach through. Once you get most of it, you can put diesel in, and polish it. (Recirculating pump with good filters. ) There are services that do this commercially, if you would prefer to buy yourself out of the problem. Using water to clean it will generate huge amounts of contaminated waste water. The anti sludge addives work going forward. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jibrooks at live.com Thu May 19 08:14:13 2022 From: jibrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 14:14:13 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While i don't remember the price, Costco sells a three pack of bleach at a surprisingly good price. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:38:28 AM To: eric at megageek.com Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank 10% for 10 minutes is what we used in the biosafety business. There may be other products such as quaternary solutions that might also work at lower rates. 10% of a biocidal bleach could be 15 jugs - could get expensive. There Aren't their products that prevent biosludge in Diesel fuel? We used to get a jug of something to pour in the 1400 gallon generator tank to keep it from growing...Would that work to eliminate the problem? I found this link to a video that may be a sales pitch, but illustrates one such product to clean the tank. https://youtu.be/mMLrtVa6yVI Search I used to find that: https://www.google.com/search?q=eliminate+biosludge+from+diesel+storage+tanks&oq=eliminate+biosludge+from+diesel+sto On Thu, May 19, 2022, 09:26 > wrote: How much bleach would I need for that size tank? What water mixture ratio do you think would work? From: Jeff Scarbrough > To: eric at megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" > Date: 05/19/2022 09:20 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank ________________________________ Fire is an interesting solution, and will certainly inactivate most biologicals, but can be difficult to tame. What about bleach? On Thu, May 19, 2022, 08:47 > wrote: Hey gang, it's been quite here lately. I have a 275 gal oil tank that I use for diesel fuel for my tractors. It got the bio-sludge in it. I have removed all the oil (there was only a little left in it.) What is the best way to clean this? Should I light a fire it in? Water? simple green? Any ideas? Thanks. Moose _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parkanzky at gmail.com Thu May 19 08:15:59 2022 From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 10:15:59 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Be careful with bleach. It will wreck any exposed steel in the tank. -Paul On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:15 AM Jack Brooks wrote: > While i don't remember the price, Costco sells a three pack of bleach at a > surprisingly good price. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff > Scarbrough > *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:38:28 AM > *To:* eric at megageek.com > *Cc:* shop-talk at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank > > 10% for 10 minutes is what we used in the biosafety business. There may > be other products such as quaternary solutions that might also work at > lower rates. > > 10% of a biocidal bleach could be 15 jugs - could get expensive. There > > Aren't their products that prevent biosludge in Diesel fuel? We used to > get a jug of something to pour in the 1400 gallon generator tank to keep it > from growing...Would that work to eliminate the problem? > > I found this link to a video that may be a sales pitch, but illustrates > one such product to clean the tank. > > https://youtu.be/mMLrtVa6yVI > > Search I used to find that: > https://www.google.com/search?q=eliminate+biosludge+from+diesel+storage+tanks&oq=eliminate+biosludge+from+diesel+sto > > > On Thu, May 19, 2022, 09:26 wrote: > > How much bleach would I need for that size tank? What water mixture ratio > do you think would work? > > > > From: Jeff Scarbrough > To: eric at megageek.com > Cc: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" > Date: 05/19/2022 09:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank > ------------------------------ > > > > Fire is an interesting solution, and will certainly inactivate most > biologicals, but can be difficult to tame. > > What about bleach? > > On Thu, May 19, 2022, 08:47 <*eric at megageek.com* > > wrote: > Hey gang, it's been quite here lately. > > I have a 275 gal oil tank that I use for diesel fuel for my tractors. > > It got the bio-sludge in it. I have removed all the oil (there was only a > little left in it.) > > What is the best way to clean this? Should I light a fire it in? Water? > simple green? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Thu May 19 10:37:45 2022 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 11:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:16 AM Paul Parkanzky wrote: > > Be careful with bleach. It will wreck any exposed steel in the tank. It will also not work against sludge. it might kill some of the microbes that are present, but it will not penetrate into the sludge, and it won't do much for the actual sludge. It will also generate large quantities of water contaminated with diesel, which can't be dumped on the ground or down a drain. Mechanical removal is the only real solution for that, either by reaching in and scooping it out, using a vacuum, or breaking it up with agitation (put a piece of chain in and shaking works well), and pumping it out with the fuel (through filters, obviously.) -- David Scheidt dmscheidt at gmail.com From darmstrong at nexicom.net Thu May 19 12:17:44 2022 From: darmstrong at nexicom.net (Doug Armstrong) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 14:17:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007301d86bac$bccb59e0$36620da0$@nexicom.net> If you are able to break it up into pieces, you may want to consider hiring a local dry-ice blasting company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry-ice_blasting It has been used to remove sound deadening insulation in cars. Doug Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of David Scheidt Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 12:38 PM To: Paul Parkanzky Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning an oil tank On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:16 AM Paul Parkanzky wrote: > > Be careful with bleach. It will wreck any exposed steel in the tank. It will also not work against sludge. it might kill some of the microbes that are present, but it will not penetrate into the sludge, and it won't do much for the actual sludge. It will also generate large quantities of water contaminated with diesel, which can't be dumped on the ground or down a drain. Mechanical removal is the only real solution for that, either by reaching in and scooping it out, using a vacuum, or breaking it up with agitation (put a piece of chain in and shaking works well), and pumping it out with the fuel (through filters, obviously.) -- David Scheidt dmscheidt at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darmstrong at nexicom.net -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From fishplate at gmail.com Sun May 22 12:03:09 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 14:03:09 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Hydraulic Jack Diagnosis Message-ID: Just trying to keep from going down the wrong rabbit hole.. On Thursday, I think I blew up the TR6 differential. I pulled out my handy Craftsman 3.5 ton floor jack (50145) and discovered it will not raise any weight. It will pump up with no load, and does not seem to creep down under the load of my immense personal bulk. To me, this indicates a pump problem - seals or valves. It is full of oil, and has worked well for the last 25 years or so. I found a kit that seems reputable for $30 ( https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/8118 ) that contains all the seals to rebuild it, but that place doesn't carry oil. I can get any number of different brands of jack oil locally, so I don't think that's going to be a problem. Any other thing I might check before I pull the trigger? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Sun May 22 12:11:54 2022 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 13:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Hydraulic Jack Diagnosis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On May 22, 2022, at 13:04, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > ? > > Any other thing I might check before I pull the trigger? Bleed it. Make sure you are checking the level with the ram in the right place (most want it down, a few up). > From patintexas at icloud.com Sun May 22 12:14:23 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 13:14:23 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Hydraulic Jack Diagnosis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73415682-96A4-487A-AD16-6855C20C4595@icloud.com> Jeff, I?d try opening the valve & then pull the saddle up & let it go down a green times. Sometimes that will move crud away from wherever it is causing the problem. If that doesn?t work just take the pump apart to see how the seals & bore look. Can?t hurt. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 22, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: ? Just trying to keep from going down the wrong rabbit hole.. On Thursday, I think I blew up the TR6 differential. I pulled out my handy Craftsman 3.5 ton floor jack (50145) and discovered it will not raise any weight. It will pump up with no load, and does not seem to creep down under the load of my immense personal bulk. To me, this indicates a pump problem - seals or valves. It is full of oil, and has worked well for the last 25 years or so. I found a kit that seems reputable for $30 ( https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/8118 ) that contains all the seals to rebuild it, but that place doesn't carry oil. I can get any number of different brands of jack oil locally, so I don't think that's going to be a problem. Any other thing I might check before I pull the trigger? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhlocker at protonmail.com Sun May 22 12:17:43 2022 From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker) Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 18:17:43 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Hydraulic Jack Diagnosis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2db189f8-1103-c3b2-ed97-7bd401da0ff3@protonmail.com> That's an odd set of symptoms. An inability to raise a load sounds like air in the hydraulic system. Leaking seals or valves would cause a load to drop with oil passing through the seal/valve. With no load, the air pressure doesn't collapse the bubble so the jack rises; but with a load, any pressure collapses the bubble instead of raising the load. The fact that it holds after it was raised supports this hypothesis. I think just opening the oil filler screw (and maybe topping the oil) will fix it. HTH, Donald. On 2022-05-22 14:03, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Just trying to keep from going down the wrong rabbit hole..? ?On > Thursday, I think I blew up the TR6 differential.? I pulled out my handy > Craftsman 3.5 ton floor jack (50145) and discovered it will not raise > any weight.? It will pump up with no load, and does not seem to creep > down under the load of my immense personal bulk.? To me, this indicates > a pump problem - seals or valves.? It is full of oil, and has worked > well for the last 25 years or so. > > I found a kit that seems reputable for $30 ( > https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/8118 > ) that contains > all the seals to rebuild it, but that place doesn't carry oil.? I can > get any number of different brands of jack oil locally, so I don't think > that's going to be a problem. > > Any other thing I might check before I pull the trigger? From fishplate at gmail.com Sun May 22 14:03:32 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 16:03:32 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Hydraulic Jack Diagnosis In-Reply-To: <2db189f8-1103-c3b2-ed97-7bd401da0ff3@protonmail.com> References: <2db189f8-1103-c3b2-ed97-7bd401da0ff3@protonmail.com> Message-ID: > That's an odd set of symptoms Indeed. I went through the bleeding instructions...with each stroke of the pump, I can see oil moving in the reservoir (with the release valve open). This tells me the air is out and the pump is moving fluid....but...while testing this, I left the handle in the midway position (with the release valve closed), and noticed that it falls to horizontal pretty quickly. This seems to be further evidence that something is wrong with the pump. The jack itself does not seem to drift down. On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 2:18 PM Donald H Locker wrote: > > That's an odd set of symptoms. An inability to raise a load sounds like > air in the hydraulic system. Leaking seals or valves would cause a load > to drop with oil passing through the seal/valve. > > With no load, the air pressure doesn't collapse the bubble so the jack > rises; but with a load, any pressure collapses the bubble instead of > raising the load. The fact that it holds after it was raised supports > this hypothesis. > > I think just opening the oil filler screw (and maybe topping the oil) > will fix it. > > HTH, > Donald. > > On 2022-05-22 14:03, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > Just trying to keep from going down the wrong rabbit hole.. On > > Thursday, I think I blew up the TR6 differential. I pulled out my handy > > Craftsman 3.5 ton floor jack (50145) and discovered it will not raise > > any weight. It will pump up with no load, and does not seem to creep > > down under the load of my immense personal bulk. To me, this indicates > > a pump problem - seals or valves. It is full of oil, and has worked > > well for the last 25 years or so. > > > > I found a kit that seems reputable for $30 ( > > https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/8118 > > ) that contains > > all the seals to rebuild it, but that place doesn't carry oil. I can > > get any number of different brands of jack oil locally, so I don't think > > that's going to be a problem. > > > > Any other thing I might check before I pull the trigger? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > From fishplate at gmail.com Sun May 29 11:11:04 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 13:11:04 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges Message-ID: A couple of tire pressure gauge questions: I got tired of cheap Horrible Freight tire inflators, so I sprung for a brace of Milton S-506 inflators, thinking of they were good enough for the gas station of my youth, they ought to be ok now. One in the garage, one in the shop...they don't see a ton of use. Last week, I was filling bicycle tires in the garage with the hotdog compressor, and couldn't get the air up sufficiently in the tire. Finally went to get another gauge...my electronic gauge quit, and my 50 years old Bridgeport Brass gauge needs rebuilding, so I grabbed the.othwr Milton inflator. Turns out, I had missed blowing up the bicycle tires only by a miracle of Chinese rubber. One inflator reads 50 psi while the other one reads 90. So, like when two inmates at the asylum both claim to be Napoleon, at least one of them is lying. And at least one will need repairing. So, two questions:. 1. Any suggestions for a good reliable electronic or analog pressure gauge to verify/calibrate the inflators? (I also need one to put in my daughter's car, so gloveboxability is a plus). 2. Anyone ever repair a Milton (or Bridgeport) tire gauge? Any suggestions? The Milton's aren't very old, especially in terms of what we old guys expect from our expensive American made tools. Bonus question:. How might one calibrate a pressure gauge against a primary source? I'm thinking of a water column or something, but 35 psi is approximately 80 feet of water. I'm finding that impractical for home use. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sun May 29 11:24:11 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 12:24:11 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BEC888E-4B62-479D-AEEC-D5BD43EB3ECE@icloud.com> Jeff, I really don?t have answers to your questions but I can tell you how I do things. First, I don?t use inflators, I use separate air chucks & pressure gauges. I prefer to use tools that are good at one job, rather than so so on multiple jobs. Second, whatever gauge I buy, I compare its reading to at least 2 others both when new & from time to time. If I have access to someone with a high dollar gauge I?ll add that reading to the mix from time to time. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 29, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: ? A couple of tire pressure gauge questions: I got tired of cheap Horrible Freight tire inflators, so I sprung for a brace of Milton S-506 inflators, thinking of they were good enough for the gas station of my youth, they ought to be ok now. One in the garage, one in the shop...they don't see a ton of use. Last week, I was filling bicycle tires in the garage with the hotdog compressor, and couldn't get the air up sufficiently in the tire. Finally went to get another gauge...my electronic gauge quit, and my 50 years old Bridgeport Brass gauge needs rebuilding, so I grabbed the.othwr Milton inflator. Turns out, I had missed blowing up the bicycle tires only by a miracle of Chinese rubber. One inflator reads 50 psi while the other one reads 90. So, like when two inmates at the asylum both claim to be Napoleon, at least one of them is lying. And at least one will need repairing. So, two questions:. 1. Any suggestions for a good reliable electronic or analog pressure gauge to verify/calibrate the inflators? (I also need one to put in my daughter's car, so gloveboxability is a plus). 2. Anyone ever repair a Milton (or Bridgeport) tire gauge? Any suggestions? The Milton's aren't very old, especially in terms of what we old guys expect from our expensive American made tools. Bonus question:. How might one calibrate a pressure gauge against a primary source? I'm thinking of a water column or something, but 35 psi is approximately 80 feet of water. I'm finding that impractical for home use. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From dave1massey at cs.com Sun May 29 15:27:29 2022 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 21:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <689396983.4550138.1653859649215@mail.yahoo.com> I've tested several gauges against a calibrated gauge and I have found the electronic gauges, when they work, to be the most accurate.? And they are cheap enough to keep a few around.? Like the $10 DVM's they sell. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Scarbrough To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, May 29, 2022 12:11 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges A couple of tire pressure gauge questions: I got tired of cheap Horrible Freight tire inflators, so I sprung for a brace of Milton S-506 inflators, thinking of they were good enough for the gas station of my youth, they ought to be ok now.? One in the garage, one in the shop...they don't see a ton of use.? Last week, I was filling bicycle tires in the garage with the hotdog compressor, and couldn't get the air up sufficiently in the tire.? Finally went to get another gauge...my electronic gauge quit, and my 50 years old Bridgeport Brass gauge needs rebuilding, so I grabbed the.othwr Milton inflator.? Turns out, I had missed blowing up the bicycle tires only by a miracle of Chinese rubber.? One inflator reads 50 psi while the other one reads 90. So, like when two inmates at the asylum both claim to be Napoleon, at least one of them is lying. And at least one will need repairing. So, two questions:.? 1.? Any suggestions for a good reliable electronic or analog pressure gauge to verify/calibrate the inflators?? (I also need one to put in my daughter's car, so gloveboxability is a plus). 2.? Anyone ever repair a Milton (or Bridgeport) tire gauge?? Any suggestions?? The Milton's aren't very old, especially in terms of what we old guys expect from our expensive American made tools. Bonus question:. How might one calibrate a pressure gauge against a primary source?? I'm thinking of a water column or something, but 35 psi is approximately 80 feet of water.? 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sun May 29 18:12:53 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 17:12:53 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> I've had good luck with these: https://www.amazon.com/Accutire-MS-4021B-Digital-Pressure-Gauge/dp/B00080QHMM/ref=asc_df_B00080QHMM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312177448019&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16563417771390584939&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-567122411030&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61495038909&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312177448019&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16563417771390584939&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-567122411030 You don't know for sure how accurate a gauge is unless you compare it to a lab standard, but repeatability is a good sign, and these always do. FWIW, they agree with the TPS monitor in my Mustang. Bob On 5/29/2022 10:11 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > A couple of tire pressure gauge questions: > > I got tired of cheap Horrible Freight tire inflators, so I sprung for > a brace of Milton S-506 inflators, thinking of they were good enough > for the gas station of my youth, they ought to be ok now.? One in the > garage, one in the shop...they don't see a ton of use.? Last week, I > was filling bicycle tires in the garage with the hotdog compressor, > and couldn't get the air up sufficiently in the tire.? Finally went to > get another gauge...my electronic gauge quit, and my 50 years old > Bridgeport Brass gauge needs rebuilding, so I grabbed the.othwr Milton > inflator.? Turns out, I had missed blowing up the bicycle tires only > by a miracle of Chinese rubber.? One inflator reads 50 psi while the > other one reads 90. > > So, like when two inmates at the asylum both claim to be Napoleon, at > least one of them is lying. And at least one will need repairing. > > So, two questions:. > > 1.? Any suggestions for a good reliable electronic or analog pressure > gauge to verify/calibrate the inflators?? (I also need one to put in > my daughter's car, so gloveboxability is a plus). > > 2.? Anyone ever repair a Milton (or Bridgeport) tire gauge?? Any > suggestions?? The Milton's aren't very old, especially in terms of > what we old guys expect from our expensive American made tools. > > Bonus question:. How might one calibrate a pressure gauge against a > primary source?? I'm thinking of a water column or something, but 35 > psi is approximately 80 feet of water.? I'm finding that impractical > for home use. > From rande90 at gmail.com Sun May 29 18:54:55 2022 From: rande90 at gmail.com (RandE) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 19:54:55 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> References: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> Message-ID: I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the batteries didn't last very long, especially in the summer. Randy On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 7:13 PM Bob Spidell wrote: > I've had good luck with these: > > > https://www.amazon.com/Accutire-MS-4021B-Digital-Pressure-Gauge/dp/B00080QHMM/ref=asc_df_B00080QHMM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312177448019&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16563417771390584939&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-567122411030&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61495038909&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312177448019&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16563417771390584939&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-567122411030 > > You don't know for sure how accurate a gauge is unless you compare it to > a lab standard, but repeatability is a good sign, and these always do. > FWIW, they agree with the TPS monitor in my Mustang. > > Bob > > > > On 5/29/2022 10:11 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > A couple of tire pressure gauge questions: > > > > I got tired of cheap Horrible Freight tire inflators, so I sprung for > > a brace of Milton S-506 inflators, thinking of they were good enough > > for the gas station of my youth, they ought to be ok now. One in the > > garage, one in the shop...they don't see a ton of use. Last week, I > > was filling bicycle tires in the garage with the hotdog compressor, > > and couldn't get the air up sufficiently in the tire. Finally went to > > get another gauge...my electronic gauge quit, and my 50 years old > > Bridgeport Brass gauge needs rebuilding, so I grabbed the.othwr Milton > > inflator. Turns out, I had missed blowing up the bicycle tires only > > by a miracle of Chinese rubber. One inflator reads 50 psi while the > > other one reads 90. > > > > So, like when two inmates at the asylum both claim to be Napoleon, at > > least one of them is lying. And at least one will need repairing. > > > > So, two questions:. > > > > 1. Any suggestions for a good reliable electronic or analog pressure > > gauge to verify/calibrate the inflators? (I also need one to put in > > my daughter's car, so gloveboxability is a plus). > > > > 2. Anyone ever repair a Milton (or Bridgeport) tire gauge? Any > > suggestions? The Milton's aren't very old, especially in terms of > > what we old guys expect from our expensive American made tools. > > > > Bonus question:. How might one calibrate a pressure gauge against a > > primary source? I'm thinking of a water column or something, but 35 > > psi is approximately 80 feet of water. I'm finding that impractical > > for home use. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rande at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenix722 at comcast.net Sun May 29 19:53:39 2022 From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 18:53:39 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> References: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> Message-ID: So have I. Mike On 5/29/2022 5:12 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > I've had good luck with these: > > https://www.amazon.com/Accutire-MS-4021B-Digital-Pressure-Gauge/dp/B00080QHMM/ref=asc_df_B00080QHMM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312177448019&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16563417771390584939&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-567122411030&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61495038909&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312177448019&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16563417771390584939&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-567122411030 > > > You don't know for sure how accurate a gauge is unless you compare it > to a lab standard, but repeatability is a good sign, and these always > do. FWIW, they agree with the TPS monitor in my Mustang. > > Bob > > > > On 5/29/2022 10:11 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >> A couple of tire pressure gauge questions: >> >> I got tired of cheap Horrible Freight tire inflators, so I sprung for >> a brace of Milton S-506 inflators, thinking of they were good enough >> for the gas station of my youth, they ought to be ok now.? One in the >> garage, one in the shop...they don't see a ton of use.? Last week, I >> was filling bicycle tires in the garage with the hotdog compressor, >> and couldn't get the air up sufficiently in the tire.? Finally went >> to get another gauge...my electronic gauge quit, and my 50 years old >> Bridgeport Brass gauge needs rebuilding, so I grabbed the.othwr >> Milton inflator.? Turns out, I had missed blowing up the bicycle >> tires only by a miracle of Chinese rubber.? One inflator reads 50 psi >> while the other one reads 90. >> >> So, like when two inmates at the asylum both claim to be Napoleon, at >> least one of them is lying. And at least one will need repairing. >> >> So, two questions:. >> >> 1.? Any suggestions for a good reliable electronic or analog pressure >> gauge to verify/calibrate the inflators?? (I also need one to put in >> my daughter's car, so gloveboxability is a plus). >> >> 2.? Anyone ever repair a Milton (or Bridgeport) tire gauge?? Any >> suggestions?? The Milton's aren't very old, especially in terms of >> what we old guys expect from our expensive American made tools. >> >> Bonus question:. How might one calibrate a pressure gauge against a >> primary source?? I'm thinking of a water column or something, but 35 >> psi is approximately 80 feet of water.? I'm finding that impractical >> for home use. >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722 at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jblair1948 at cox.net Sun May 29 22:09:15 2022 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 00:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: References: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20220530000506.04c518b0@cox.net> At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the batteries >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. I have to agree. I have a little nicer electronic one than the one Bob suggested. I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and leak and made a mess in the gauges. Trying to clean them and make the usable again is a real pain. So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out of the gauge when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when the leak, they don't mess up the gauge. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." 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For most of my life I used pencil type inflation gauges, which, while accurate, were really difficult to read. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010A6B6KG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=3fb0d5ac19778cf96082216834cd8c21&content-id=amzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3%3Aamzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&hsa_cr_id=9387928130101&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=33e3d461-fb6d-4c4e-a750-20dec79ddb4f&pd_rd_w=4N9UY&pd_rd_wg=LAyD2&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img Best, Bob ?72 TR6 > On May 30, 2022, at 12:09 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: > > >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the batteries > >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. > > I have to agree. I have a little nicer electronic one than the one Bob suggested. > I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and leak and > made a mess in the gauges. Trying to clean them and make the usable again is > a real pain. So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out of the gauge > when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when the leak, they > don't mess up the gauge. > > John > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon May 30 06:45:09 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 05:45:09 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: References: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20220530000506.04c518b0@cox.net> Message-ID: <1c228c25-3db0-e8f4-11ec-cf6b2b39c884@comcast.net> re: "It is accurate" How do you know? I've actually looked for a measurements lab to calibrate gauges; they're few and far between. On 5/30/2022 4:40 AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: > Hi Guys, > I?ve been using a Jaco tire gauge for years. ?It is accurate, doesn?t > use batteries, and is warranted for life. The best part is that it > glows in the dark (really) and is very easy to read. ?For most of my > life I used pencil type inflation gauges, which, while accurate, were > really difficult to read. > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010A6B6KG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=3fb0d5ac19778cf96082216834cd8c21&content-id=amzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3%3Aamzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&hsa_cr_id=9387928130101&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=33e3d461-fb6d-4c4e-a750-20dec79ddb4f&pd_rd_w=4N9UY&pd_rd_wg=LAyD2&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img > > > Best, > Bob > ?72 TR6 > >> On May 30, 2022, at 12:09 AM, John T. Blair wrote: >> >> At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: >> >> >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox >> the batteries >> >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. >> >> I have to agree.? I have a little nicer electronic one than the one >> Bob suggested. >> I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and >> leak and >> made a mess in the gauges.? Trying to clean them and make the usable >> again is >> a real pain.? So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out >> of the gauge >> when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when >> the leak, they >> don't mess up the gauge. >> >> John >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Mon May 30 06:58:34 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 07:58:34 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: <1c228c25-3db0-e8f4-11ec-cf6b2b39c884@comcast.net> References: <1c228c25-3db0-e8f4-11ec-cf6b2b39c884@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0E9908F3-6246-4F55-82C6-4C1F86EC0854@icloud.com> It?s been 50 years, but I worked at the University of Texas, Department of Chemical Engineering. They had a gauge calibrator. If you have a university nears you might give them a try. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 30, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: ? re: "It is accurate" How do you know? I've actually looked for a measurements lab to calibrate gauges; they're few and far between. On 5/30/2022 4:40 AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: > Hi Guys, > I?ve been using a Jaco tire gauge for years. It is accurate, doesn?t use batteries, and is warranted for life. The best part is that it glows in the dark (really) and is very easy to read. For most of my life I used pencil type inflation gauges, which, while accurate, were really difficult to read. > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010A6B6KG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=3fb0d5ac19778cf96082216834cd8c21&content-id=amzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3%3Aamzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&hsa_cr_id=9387928130101&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=33e3d461-fb6d-4c4e-a750-20dec79ddb4f&pd_rd_w=4N9UY&pd_rd_wg=LAyD2&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img > > Best, > Bob > ?72 TR6 > >> On May 30, 2022, at 12:09 AM, John T. Blair wrote: >> >> At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: >> >> >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the batteries >> >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. >> >> I have to agree. I have a little nicer electronic one than the one Bob suggested. >> I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and leak and >> made a mess in the gauges. Trying to clean them and make the usable again is >> a real pain. So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out of the gauge >> when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when the leak, they >> don't mess up the gauge. >> >> John >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrochlin at comcast.net Mon May 30 08:25:06 2022 From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 10:25:06 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: <1c228c25-3db0-e8f4-11ec-cf6b2b39c884@comcast.net> References: <6106e6bb-412b-c741-e533-27c90e272ce3@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20220530000506.04c518b0@cox.net> <1c228c25-3db0-e8f4-11ec-cf6b2b39c884@comcast.net> Message-ID: <734BCCD3-9A79-4B79-A9B9-F270F93B421C@comcast.net> My cheap calibration protocol is to take a reading with three different gauges If the results are within a pound (+_) I figure it's close enough for a car tire. As an aside, my Nissan truck has a simple TPS waring light on the dash, but if I plug in my code scanner it gives me the tire pressure in as read from each of the tire sensors. Best, Bob. > On May 30, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > re: "It is accurate" > > How do you know? I've actually looked for a measurements lab to calibrate gauges; they're few and far between. > > > On 5/30/2022 4:40 AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> I?ve been using a Jaco tire gauge for years. It is accurate, doesn?t use batteries, and is warranted for life. The best part is that it glows in the dark (really) and is very easy to read. For most of my life I used pencil type inflation gauges, which, while accurate, were really difficult to read. >> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010A6B6KG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=3fb0d5ac19778cf96082216834cd8c21&content-id=amzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3%3Aamzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&hsa_cr_id=9387928130101&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=33e3d461-fb6d-4c4e-a750-20dec79ddb4f&pd_rd_w=4N9UY&pd_rd_wg=LAyD2&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img >> >> Best, >> Bob >> ?72 TR6 >> >>> On May 30, 2022, at 12:09 AM, John T. Blair > wrote: >>> >>> At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: >>> >>> >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the batteries >>> >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. >>> >>> I have to agree. I have a little nicer electronic one than the one Bob suggested. >>> I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and leak and >>> made a mess in the gauges. Trying to clean them and make the usable again is >>> a real pain. So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out of the gauge >>> when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when the leak, they >>> don't mess up the gauge. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Mon May 30 09:11:10 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 10:11:10 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ECB68AB-A4F4-48BE-9CE6-2034AC41981D@icloud.com> I have no research to base my assumption on but I think that a Bourdon tube gauge will be the longest lasting gauge as long as it is used within limits & should maintain its accuracy for as long as it is used. Electronic gauges & pencil gauges can change calibration over time but a tube slightly straightening should not change calibration in the comparatively few times we check our tires. I?ve seen Bourdon gauges that are installed on water pumps where the readings shake violently that are still accurate after decades of 24/7 operation. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On May 30, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: ?Hi Guys, I?ve been using a Jaco tire gauge for years. It is accurate, doesn?t use batteries, and is warranted for life. The best part is that it glows in the dark (really) and is very easy to read. For most of my life I used pencil type inflation gauges, which, while accurate, were really difficult to read. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010A6B6KG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=3fb0d5ac19778cf96082216834cd8c21&content-id=amzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3%3Aamzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&hsa_cr_id=9387928130101&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=33e3d461-fb6d-4c4e-a750-20dec79ddb4f&pd_rd_w=4N9UY&pd_rd_wg=LAyD2&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img Best, Bob ?72 TR6 > On May 30, 2022, at 12:09 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: > > >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the batteries > >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. > > I have to agree. I have a little nicer electronic one than the one Bob suggested. > I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and leak and > made a mess in the gauges. Trying to clean them and make the usable again is > a real pain. So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out of the gauge > when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when the leak, they > don't mess up the gauge. > > John > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Mon May 30 10:27:46 2022 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 12:27:46 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: <0E9908F3-6246-4F55-82C6-4C1F86EC0854@icloud.com> References: <1c228c25-3db0-e8f4-11ec-cf6b2b39c884@comcast.net> <0E9908F3-6246-4F55-82C6-4C1F86EC0854@icloud.com> Message-ID: There is a very easy way that I calibrated all my TPG. Go to a trusted mechanic that you are friendly with. Ask him if he has a calibrated gauge. (He most likely does.) Then, check all your tires. Then, check your tires with your gauges. Compare the readings. I found that my 'accu-read' is spot on. My cheap HF ones are within a PSI. I make a note like "reads +1PSI" on the gauge and I'm good to go. I do this about once every 3 or 4 years. I have noticed no read drift of the gauges. Then, give your buddy a 6-pack/gift card/ whatever token you have of appreciation. 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On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:11 AM Pat Horne wrote: > I have no research to base my assumption on but I think that a Bourdon > tube gauge will be the longest lasting gauge as long as it is used within > limits & should maintain its accuracy for as long as it is used. > > Electronic gauges & pencil gauges can change calibration over time but a > tube slightly straightening should not change calibration in the > comparatively few times we check our tires. I?ve seen Bourdon gauges that > are installed on water pumps where the readings shake violently that are > still accurate after decades of 24/7 operation. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On May 30, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: > > ?Hi Guys, > I?ve been using a Jaco tire gauge for years. It is accurate, doesn?t use > batteries, and is warranted for life. The best part is that it glows in the > dark (really) and is very easy to read. For most of my life I used pencil > type inflation gauges, which, while accurate, were really difficult to > read. > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010A6B6KG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=3fb0d5ac19778cf96082216834cd8c21&content-id=amzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3%3Aamzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&hsa_cr_id=9387928130101&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=33e3d461-fb6d-4c4e-a750-20dec79ddb4f&pd_rd_w=4N9UY&pd_rd_wg=LAyD2&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img > > > Best, > Bob > ?72 TR6 > > On May 30, 2022, at 12:09 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: > > >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the > batteries > >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. > > I have to agree. I have a little nicer electronic one than the one Bob > suggested. > I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and leak > and > made a mess in the gauges. Trying to clean them and make the usable again > is > a real pain. So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out of the > gauge > when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when the > leak, they > don't mess up the gauge. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:11 AM Pat Horne wrote: > I have no research to base my assumption on but I think that a Bourdon tube gauge will be the longest lasting gauge as long as it is used within limits & should maintain its accuracy for as long as it is used. > > Electronic gauges & pencil gauges can change calibration over time but a tube slightly straightening should not change calibration in the comparatively few times we check our tires. I?ve seen Bourdon gauges that are installed on water pumps where the readings shake violently that are still accurate after decades of 24/7 operation. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On May 30, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Robert Rochlin wrote: > > ?Hi Guys, > I?ve been using a Jaco tire gauge for years. It is accurate, doesn?t use batteries, and is warranted for life. The best part is that it glows in the dark (really) and is very easy to read. For most of my life I used pencil type inflation gauges, which, while accurate, were really difficult to read. > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010A6B6KG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=3fb0d5ac19778cf96082216834cd8c21&content-id=amzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3%3Aamzn1.sym.488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&hsa_cr_id=9387928130101&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=33e3d461-fb6d-4c4e-a750-20dec79ddb4f&pd_rd_w=4N9UY&pd_rd_wg=LAyD2&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img > > Best, > Bob > ?72 TR6 > >> On May 30, 2022, at 12:09 AM, John T. Blair wrote: >> >> At 08:54 PM 5/29/2022, Randy wrote: >> >> >I've had some of those and I found if i kept them in the glovebox the batteries >> >didn't last very long, especially in the summer. >> >> I have to agree. I have a little nicer electronic one than the one Bob suggested. >> I've had the batteries go bad in several of my electronic gauges and leak and >> made a mess in the gauges. Trying to clean them and make the usable again is >> a real pain. So I strongly suggest that you take the batteries out of the gauge >> when not in use and store them in a plastic baggie. That way, when the leak, they >> don't mess up the gauge. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net >> Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 >> >> 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) >> 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III >> 65 Rambler Classic >> >> Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ >> Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org >> >> If you can read this - Thank a teacher! >> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >> >> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: >> e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." >> In God We Trust >> Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for >> oneself; freedom from control or restriction >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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