From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 14:23:54 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 16:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Saab V-4
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7COv16jY_wtKmb7yMaR7nUPGazJ9jTgYCJzAoqmyeOAa8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have a Saab V-4 car?  Sonett or 96 (I think)...

I have a pair of valve cover gaskets and a pair of SS front brake hoses
that have sat unused in my shop for 30 years, ever since my Sonett got
totaled.  If you can use them, let me know - yours for the cost of postage.
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Mar 23 16:52:39 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:52:39 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
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Apologies if I've asked this before.

I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.

Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is a good company.

thanks
tim
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From parkanzky at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 16:55:27 2022
From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:55:27 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
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You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that for my
quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.

-Paul

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

> Apologies if I've asked this before.
>
> I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my
> 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.
>
> Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it
> is a good company.
>
> thanks
> tim
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Mar 23 16:56:41 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:56:41 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
In-Reply-To: <CAOEriim0yP0_5LpWABN5gZZsJ80Eiq82zy9n88L8oWpVY3GeFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Great! This begs the next question: where can I get a seal kit? I looked a few years ago and didn't find anything.
________________________________
From: Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:55 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair

You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that for my quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.

-Paul

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
Apologies if I've asked this before.

I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.

Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is a good company.

thanks
tim
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From parkanzky at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 18:14:14 2022
From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 20:14:14 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
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Search for a seal kit for your model jack on Amazon and you should find
some options.

-Paul

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:56 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

> Great! This begs the next question: where can I get a seal kit? I looked a
> few years ago and didn't find anything.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:55 PM
> *To:* Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> *Cc:* Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
>
> You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that for my
> quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> Apologies if I've asked this before.
>
> I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my
> 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.
>
> Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it
> is a good company.
>
> thanks
> tim
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 18:17:32 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:17:32 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
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> On Mar 23, 2022, at 17:57, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Great! This begs the next question: where can I get a seal kit? I looked a few years ago and didn't find anything. 

There are a couple long threads on garage journal about identifying import jacks and where to get the repair parts. 


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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Wed Mar 23 21:58:46 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 23:58:46 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20220323235817.06700a78@cox.net>

At 06:52 PM 3/23/2022, you wrote:

 >I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to 
lift my 71 Jeep.
 >The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.

Tim,

I have a Craftsman 2 1/2 ton floor jack.  Several years ago it quit 
lifting.  It blew
the seals.  I found a seal kit on line by searching for the jack 
model number.  The
seal kit fits a bunch of jacks.  Seems to me I paid about $50 for the 
seal kit.  After
I did that, I thought why did it do that?  I had bought a dad a new 
floor jack for
Xmas around the same time and it was only $60.  But now I haven't seen a floor
jack for under $100.  So after I finish a few more of the projects on 
my list, I want
to rebuild that floor jack.

 >Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it 
if it is a good
 >company.

If you don't want to do it yourself look around your area for any 
hydrolics repair
shop.  They can probably do it for you.  You don't want to pay the 
shipping cost
round trip to send it out for repair.

John



>thanks
>tim
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Thu Mar 24 06:52:27 2022
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:52:27 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
In-Reply-To: <CAOEriim0yP0_5LpWABN5gZZsJ80Eiq82zy9n88L8oWpVY3GeFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	One of the advantages of buying a good quality jack like a Craftsman is that you can get a seal kit. I?ve had a Japanese 1.5 ton Craftsman jack  for 40 years and has never needed repair.  .I?ve also got a 2.5 ton Harbor Freight aluminum jack and 3 ton HF steel jack. I?m pleased with the performance of both, but HF, last time I looked, did not offer any jack rebuild kits. 
	Best,
	Bob
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that for my quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com <mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
> Apologies if I've asked this before. 
> 
> I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired. 
> 
> Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is a good company. 
> 
> thanks
> tim
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Thu Mar 24 07:33:34 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:33:34 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
Message-ID: <C7DAF012-F600-4FD3-B60F-0175AD6CAB32@groupwbench.org>

With a bunch of car folks here maybe someone has some insight? I am pulling (what's left of) my hair out.

I bought a 2013 Mazda3 in January after an exhaustive search for a wagon with a stick. With only 55k miles, I justified the hugely inflated price tag. During the test drive I noticed a shake in the front end as well as a pull to the left. 

Fast forward: The dealer aligned it 3 times, rebalanced wheels twice, and then a local shop checked and said the alignment was in spec. The local shop swapped front tires L-R and the pull completely went away but the shake didn't (shop said rims were bent). 

Because the shake would come and go as I took long but gently sweeping curves, I figured the tires were both faulty and the faults were going in and out of phase as I traversed the curve. I bought bew tires (Michelin Pilot A/S 4) and the pull came back strongly. Local shop again swapped front tires L-R and the pull is greatly reduced but still there. Shake is gone until 85mph. 

I find steering pull to be very distracting unless there's a reason for it (road crown etc). On a flat road I need it to not pull. Tire pressures are fine, brakes aren't dragging. Could my car just be super sensitive to imperfect alignments? Could there be a bent suspension item that wouldn't show up in an alignment (the bent rims suggest a few good hits). Is my local shop just too lazy to make adjustments to what might be very generous manufacturer's tolerance numbers? I've attached the alignment printout.

I'm ready to ditch this car and buy almost anything else just so it won't pull. It's like an itch on my back I can't scratch. 

thanks,
jim

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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Thu Mar 24 07:49:59 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:49:59 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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At 09:33 AM 3/24/2022, Jim Franklin wrote:

 >I bought a 2013 Mazda3 in January after an exhaustive search for a wagon with
 >a stick. With only 55k miles, I justified the hugely inflated price 
tag. During the
 >test drive I noticed a shake in the front end as well as a pull to the left.

Jim,

A couple of thoughts:

Did you get a Car Fax on the car.  It almost sounds like it may have 
been in and
accident and not repaired properly.

I believe the Mazda 3 is a front wheel drive car.  Has anyone checked the rear
wheel bearings?  These are usually inexpensive.

I know you had the wheels check, but you can check the wheels for 
true easily.  Jack up the car, and make quick and dirty tool to check 
the wheels, or buy a dial indicator.  Make a pointer, make a little 
stand with a wooden base and vertical stick.
Put a pointer on the stick.  Then slide the pointer to where it just 
touches the rim
and spin the wheel.  Look for a gap to increase/decrease.  If the gap 
is uniform
the wheel is fine, go on to the next one.

 >The local shop swapped front tires L-R and the pull completely went 
away but the
 >shake didn't (shop said rims were bent).

This could mean that a ball joint is bad, or if the car as an upper A 
arm or lower
control arm, the bushings could be bad causing the shake.

 >Because the shake would come and go as I took long but gently sweeping
 >curves,

This could indicate a worn bushing and the suspension is moving under loading.

John




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           48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                        65 Rambler Classic

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From eric at megageek.com  Thu Mar 24 14:39:17 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:39:17 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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Send me the VIN, I'll run a carfax for it.  Might have been in an 
accident.

Moose
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Fri Mar 25 05:40:47 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 07:40:47 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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> On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and poorly repaired.  

Perhaps, however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as long as the wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels are 4 independent points in space, which the alignment machine measures. It's not like things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I turn the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque into the steering. 

What I'm searching for is a way that the alignment numbers would read in spec but something is still putting a force on the system. 

jim
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From parkanzky at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 06:24:10 2022
From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:24:10 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
In-Reply-To: <8555652A-E636-4311-9D8E-94D2B07B98DC@groupwbench.org>
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Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run on the
highway? i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side to see
if they're significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to a
brake hanging up a bit or a wheel bearing that is failing.

It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move tires back and
forth.

-Paul

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:41 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and poorly repaired.
>
>
> Perhaps, however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as
> long as the wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels
> are 4 independent points in space, which the alignment machine measures.
> It's not like things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I
> turn the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque
> into the steering.
>
> What I'm searching for is a way that the alignment numbers would read in
> spec but something is still putting a force on the system.
>
> jim
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Fri Mar 25 06:32:53 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 07:32:53 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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I?ve been thinking about that too. I?d check to see if the wheels have the same offset, at least in each pair. 

Peace,
Pat 

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 25, 2022, at 7:29 AM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run on the highway? i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side to see if they're significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to a brake hanging up a bit or a wheel bearing that is failing.

It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move tires back and forth.

-Paul

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:41 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and poorly repaired.  
> 
> Perhaps, however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as long as the wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels are 4 independent points in space, which the alignment machine measures. It's not like things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I turn the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque into the steering. 
> 
> What I'm searching for is a way that the alignment numbers would read in spec but something is still putting a force on the system. 
> 
> jim
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 08:04:28 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 09:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:01 AM David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:41 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and poorly repaired.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps, however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as long as the wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels are 4 independent points in space, which the alignment machine measures. It's not like things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I turn the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque into the steering.
> >
> > What I'm searching for is a way that the alignment numbers would read in spec but something is still putting a force on the system.
> >
>
> The alignment rack isn't measuring the relationship of the wheels.
> the left wheels are supposed to be directly to the left of the right
> wheels, and the back wheels directly behind (or a specified offset)
> the front ones.  If you move a front wheel forward or back, the car
> won't go straight, but the alignment can be correct.
>

(forgot to send to the list)

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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Fri Mar 25 08:43:25 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 10:43:25 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:01 AM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> The alignment rack isn't measuring the relationship of the wheels.
> the left wheels are supposed to be directly to the left of the right
> wheels, and the back wheels directly behind (or a specified offset)
> the front ones.  If you move a front wheel forward or back, the car
> won't go straight, but the alignment can be correct.

It's possible my shop doesn't have a modern enough rack so I just went out and measured the setback, and it's dead on. Good suggestion though, I hadn't thought of that.

jim

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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Fri Mar 25 10:45:10 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:45:10 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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At 08:24 AM 3/25/2022, Paul Parkanzky wrote:

 >Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run on 
the highway?
 > i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side to see 
if they're
 >significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to a brake 
hanging up a bit
 >or a wheel bearing that is failing.

I don't think I'd touch the hub or especially the caliper after a 
drive.  Good way to
get a pretty good burn.  But checking temps is a good idea.  Get an 
Infred Thermometer and check the temps with that:

https://www.harborfreight.com/121-infrared-laser-thermometer-63985.html

 >It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move tires back and
 >forth.

That would indicate a tire or wheel problem.

John




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From nogera at charter.net  Fri Mar 25 11:40:06 2022
From: nogera at charter.net (Robert Nogueira)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Zero turn radius lawnmower
Message-ID: <82E09CD1-D297-4C43-AF4E-ABCB1B007D85@charter.net>


I have a 20 year old gravely zero turn radius lawnmower. The mower is solidly built and has held up well. My problem is the engine is on its last leg and I?m questioning whether it would be worth replacing. The main issue is the hydrostatic transmission for the drive. They?ve never give me trouble but I?m wondering how long they generally hold up.
I do know they?re expensive to replace.
Should I take a gamble on just replacing the engine?
Bob Nogueira

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 12:14:13 2022
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 13:14:13 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Zero turn radius lawnmower
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That's a tough call.  Without knowing what make and model hydrostat is in
it, I'd suggest replacing the mower.  I have a similarly aged Grasshopper
zero turn that I have been having a similar debate about.  In my case I
decided to rebuild the motor (1750 hours).  My motors was not in bad
shape.  The big end of the connecting rod clearance was just out of spec
and the ring gap was just over the limit.  I checked for cylinder
straightness and out of round and found it all to be within tolerance.  It
was not too expensive to replace the connecting rods and the rings to get
back into spec.  I also replaced all the bearings and oil seals as well as
the PTO clutch (bent the pulley getting it off).  Total bill for the parts
was just over $500.  I probably spent 10 hours or so doing the work.  If
you can do the work yourself, consider going this route.  I don't know what
a shop would charge to do this stuff, but I am guessing it would be at
least $1500 for the rebuild.  At that price it might not make sense.  I
have only ever had one issue with the hydro's on this mower, and again I
was able to do the work myself.  But I have also heard that parts for the
older units are getting hard to find, especially Peerless units.  I have
been watching the rise of the electric machines, and have basically decided
to try to keep my grasshopper going until there is a good all electric
option.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:40 PM Robert Nogueira <nogera at charter.net> wrote:

>
> I have a 20 year old gravely zero turn radius lawnmower. The mower is
> solidly built and has held up well. My problem is the engine is on its last
> leg and I?m questioning whether it would be worth replacing. The main issue
> is the hydrostatic transmission for the drive. They?ve never give me
> trouble but I?m wondering how long they generally hold up.
> I do know they?re expensive to replace.
> Should I take a gamble on just replacing the engine?
> Bob Nogueira
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From eric at megageek.com  Fri Mar 25 17:24:58 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:24:58 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Zero turn radius lawnmower
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I have a 1978 Hustler Excel 278 zero turn with Hydrostatic.

This thing is a TANK!!! In fact, it's name is "killdozer!"  I got it about 
25 years ago and did minimal maintenance to it over the years.

About 5 years ago, I decided to upgrade to a motor with electronic 
ignition.  I bought a new Kolher (direct replacement) for about $1200. 
Then I video'ed the existing motor running before I removed it.  I put it 
on ebay and it sold for about $800.  Note, there were no issues with the 
engine, I was just tired of dealing with the points.
New motor in and all is well.

I had someone look at the drive wheel pumps a while ago, and they stated 
they most likely can't be rebuilt.  But they are still working, so I'm not 
too worried about it.

Note- this is a mower in the summer and snow plow/snow blower in the 
winter.

Still runs awesome!

So, if your mower is built well, and there is a direct replacement engine, 
I would consider that the best/ most cost effective option.

BTW, here is a short video of it with the snow blower (and enclosed cab.)
https://youtu.be/Y8WGm5EINjY 

That thing ROCKS!



From:   Robert Nogueira <nogera at charter.net>
To:     Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   03/25/2022 13:40
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Zero turn radius lawnmower
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>




I have a 20 year old gravely zero turn radius lawnmower. The mower is 
solidly built and has held up well. My problem is the engine is on its 
last leg and I?m questioning whether it would be worth replacing. The main 
issue is the hydrostatic transmission for the drive. They?ve never give me 
trouble but I?m wondering how long they generally hold up.
I do know they?re expensive to replace.
Should I take a gamble on just replacing the engine?
Bob Nogueira
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Mar 26 09:47:23 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Zero turn radius lawnmower
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:25 PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> BTW, here is a short video of it with the snow blower (and enclosed cab.)
> https://youtu.be/Y8WGm5EINjY
>
> That thing ROCKS!

We don't get much snow here in Georgia, but pollen season is about to
start and it looks like it might be handy for that, too.

From mbarre at juno.com  Sat Mar 26 11:41:14 2022
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:41:14 GMT
Subject: [Shop-talk] Zero turn radius lawnmower
Message-ID: <20220326.134114.27315.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

The yellow scourge is upon us!

Columbus

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
To: eric at megageek.com
Cc: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Zero turn radius lawnmower
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:47:23 -0400

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:25 PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> BTW, here is a short video of it with the snow blower (and enclosed cab.)
> https://youtu.be/Y8WGm5EINjY
>
> That thing ROCKS!

We don't get much snow here in Georgia, but pollen season is about to
start and it looks like it might be handy for that, too.
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Mon Mar 28 11:08:59 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 17:08:59 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
Message-ID: <DM5PR14MB12743F2C1FC688F5B884EF75B41D9@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.

thanks
tim
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From eric at megageek.com  Mon Mar 28 11:57:36 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:57:36 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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One thing I found is to NOT use any of the 'we'll find the best shipping 
quote for you' places.

Specifically Freightquote.com
They will give you a great price quote.  Then arrange everything and 
you'll package will get picked up and delivered, but then you'll get hit 
with TONS of fees and penalties.  (The package was heavier then you 
stated, it was larger, it wasn't packaged properly, etc.)  They will tell 
you the SHIPPERS are the ones charging the fees so you don't get mad at 
them.  THEY are the ones 'underquoting' the price then charging you more.

I ship infrequently at best, and had hit or miss luck with most companies 
directly.

However I found and love UPS freight.  I got this tip from a buddy of mine 
that ships TONS of packages all the time from his business. 

Call UPS and open a freight account.  Be honest with your shipping needs 
(as long as you plan to ship more in the future.)  Then once they open the 
account, you should be talking to a local rep.  Ask them to please 
discount your price by 40%.  They should do it.  That is all there is to 
it!

I use them all the time.  They are GREAT, reliable and very cost 
effective. 

Enjoy!

Moose





From:   "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
To:     "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   03/28/2022 13:09
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



Hi all, 

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach. 

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know 
is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid. 

thanks
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From pj_thomas at comcast.net  Mon Mar 28 12:29:08 2022
From: pj_thomas at comcast.net (Peter J. Thomas)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 14:29:08 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bear proof bird feeder.
Message-ID: <e6707822-615b-a6be-28c5-c43314c8cab7@comcast.net>

I have a bird feeder on a post made out of galvanized iron pipe. Bear 
keeps bending it to the ground and I keep bending it back. Tired of this 
routine so I plan on making a bear/squirrel proof bird feeder.? I 
ordered a 7.5'x3" aluminized steel 16 gauge exhaust pipe (required shop 
content for this post).? I'll dig down about a foot to bedrock.? Cement 
the pipe to the bedrock and fill the pipe with cement, kinda like a 
lolly column.? I'm pretty sure this will be strong enough to resist the 
bear, unless he brings his brother, and thick enough that the squirrels 
can't climb it.

On top of this I plan to make and weld a bid feeder but not sure what 
thickness of steel to used.? Once complete I'll paint paint auto paint.? 
Any insights?? Thanx


From maynerdfamily at msn.com  Mon Mar 28 12:46:02 2022
From: maynerdfamily at msn.com (Brian and Wendy Warrick)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:46:02 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
Message-ID: <MW2PR07MB3978C83523605EDCDA0E3566BB1D9@MW2PR07MB3978.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a great hose.

Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.

Thanks
Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID
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From ronald.olds at mchsi.com  Mon Mar 28 13:24:11 2022
From: ronald.olds at mchsi.com (ronald.olds at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:24:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
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Brian,

i have several Craftsman 100% rubber hoses that are more than 25 years old and have never had a problem.

Ron Olds

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From: "Brian and Wendy Warrick" <maynerdfamily at msn.com>
To: "shop-talk" <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 2:46:02 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a great hose. 

Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality. 

Thanks 
Brian Warrick 
Nampa, ID 

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Mar 28 13:29:22 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 12:29:22 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
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IMO, rubber is the way to go (I have to drag several long hoses around 
to water a large yard). The plastic ones get stiff as <insert favorite 
analogy here> in the cold, kink easily and eventually crack. Rubber 
isn't perfect; it can kink if you abuse it and will eventually 
deteriorate, turning your hands black, but will work for a decade or 
more and the fittings are usually more robust. Unfortunately, as the 
plastic ones are so much cheaper--all some people care about--rubber 
hoses are getting harder to find, but I've bought several Craftsmen 
brand off Amazon over the years.


On 3/28/2022 11:46 AM, Brian and Wendy Warrick wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that 
> won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one 
> that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam 
> green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have 
> been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years 
> ago and it has been a great hose.
>
> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
>
> Thanks
> Brian Warrick
> Nampa, ID
>
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 14:30:57 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:30:57 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
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> On Mar 28, 2022, at 13:46, Brian and Wendy Warrick <maynerdfamily at msn.com> wrote:
> ?
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a great hose.
> 
> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
> 

Dramm sell good quality epdm hose with brass fittings. They are not cheap. I don?t know if dramm makes the hose or if they?re reselling someone else?s. 


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From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org  Mon Mar 28 15:28:13 2022
From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 17:28:13 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
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I can't speak for its longevity but I bought a 100ft Flexzilla hose 
about 4 years ago.? It's easily the most flexible garden hose I've ever 
used, even when pressurized. It's not kink-proof but kinks...almost 
don't matter?? When my other two hoses kink I have to stop what I'm 
doing, walk over to the kink and manually untwist it.? But this hose is 
flexible enough that I just need to "flick" it like a whip and the kink 
usually undoes itself.

I'm really tempted to buy one of those 4000psi Flexzilla pressure washer 
hoses this year.? I loathe having to wrestle with my current pressure 
washer hose...


-- J


On 3/28/22 14:46, Brian and Wendy Warrick wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that 
> won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one 
> that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam 
> green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have 
> been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years 
> ago and it has been a great hose.
>
> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
>
> Thanks
> Brian Warrick
> Nampa, ID
>
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Mon Mar 28 15:44:20 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:44:20 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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I can?t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed to get a Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can?t hurt. 

Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service but it doesn?t say that on their site today. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

?
Hi all, 

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach. 

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid. 

thanks
tim
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 15:56:10 2022
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 17:56:10 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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Agree - check with Fastenal to see if they have resumed shipping. I've
shipped a few large items - strapped or bolted onto a pallet - using
Fastenal. They do not promise a delivery date or offer tracking but if the
item is not time-critical it is (was?) a good bargain.

EjR

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:48 PM Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:

> I can?t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed to get a
> Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue
> Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship
> between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their
> store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can?t hurt.
>
> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service
> but it doesn?t say that on their site today.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 16:34:26 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:34:26 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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I seem to recall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.  East is
east, and west is west....

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:

> I can?t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed to get a
> Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue
> Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship
> between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their
> store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can?t hurt.
>
> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service
> but it doesn?t say that on their site today.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Mon Mar 28 16:37:37 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 17:37:37 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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I had a trans shipped from Florida to Texas a few years ago. Things may have changed. Worth asking though. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 28, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I seem to recall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.  East is east, and west is west....

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> I can?t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed to get a Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can?t hurt. 
> 
> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service but it doesn?t say that on their site today. 
> 
> Peace,
> Pat
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity
> 
> 
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi all, 
> 
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach. 
> 
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid. 
> 
> thanks
> tim
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> 
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 16:50:30 2022
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:50:30 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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I shipped an MGA transmission from North Carolina to Utah or Idaho. But
that was BC - Before Covid.

EjR

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 6:34 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> I seem to recall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.  East is
> east, and west is west....
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> I can?t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed to get a
>> Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue
>> Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship
>> between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their
>> store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can?t hurt.
>>
>> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service
>> but it doesn?t say that on their site today.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>
>> Pat Horne
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>>
>> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
>> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>>
>> thanks
>> tim
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From rande90 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 17:11:06 2022
From: rande90 at gmail.com (RandE)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:11:06 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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The last time I shipped something big with UPS it was a disaster.  I
shipped a transmission.  Built a crate for it and strapped it down.  It
finally got to the destination with broken mounting bolt holes and no
crate.  Just the bare transmission with a new label stuck to it.  Filed a
claim.  They came and picked it up.  Then in a couple days delivered it
back to the destination again.  Contacted UPS again so they went back and
got it again and shipped it back to me.

Randy


On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> One thing I found is to NOT use any of the 'we'll find the best shipping
> quote for you' places.
>
> Specifically Freightquote.com
> They will give you a great price quote.  Then arrange everything and
> you'll package will get picked up and delivered, but then you'll get hit
> with TONS of fees and penalties.  (The package was heavier then you stated,
> it was larger, it wasn't packaged properly, etc.)  They will tell you the
> SHIPPERS are the ones charging the fees so you don't get mad at them.  THEY
> are the ones 'underquoting' the price then charging you more.
>
> I ship infrequently at best, and had hit or miss luck with most companies
> directly.
>
> However I found and love UPS freight.  I got this tip from a buddy of mine
> that ships TONS of packages all the time from his business.
>
> Call UPS and open a freight account.  Be honest with your shipping needs
> (as long as you plan to ship more in the future.)  Then once they open the
> account, you should be talking to a local rep.  Ask them to please discount
> your price by 40%.  They should do it.  That is all there is to it!
>
> I use them all the time.  They are GREAT, reliable and very cost
> effective.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Moose
>
>
>
>
>
> From:        "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> To:        "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date:        03/28/2022 13:09
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim_______________________________________________
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 17:18:29 2022
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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I can't speak as a SHIPPER using UPS freight, but having received a couple
shipments from others using their service I really don't like them.  They
claim that they will deliver to a residential address with liftgate
service, but, more often than not they will refuse to make the final
delivery.  Twice now, after I paid for lift gate service, I got a call from
UPS saying I had to pick up my shipment at a distribution center.  I can
understand not wanting to pull in the driveway with a semi or long straight
truck, but other shippers I have received form would al least set the load
down on the curb or transfer it to my pickup on the street at my home.  I'm
not sure why UPS even offers liftgate service if they won't actually
provide it when the shipment comes in.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> One thing I found is to NOT use any of the 'we'll find the best shipping
> quote for you' places.
>
> Specifically Freightquote.com
> They will give you a great price quote.  Then arrange everything and
> you'll package will get picked up and delivered, but then you'll get hit
> with TONS of fees and penalties.  (The package was heavier then you stated,
> it was larger, it wasn't packaged properly, etc.)  They will tell you the
> SHIPPERS are the ones charging the fees so you don't get mad at them.  THEY
> are the ones 'underquoting' the price then charging you more.
>
> I ship infrequently at best, and had hit or miss luck with most companies
> directly.
>
> However I found and love UPS freight.  I got this tip from a buddy of mine
> that ships TONS of packages all the time from his business.
>
> Call UPS and open a freight account.  Be honest with your shipping needs
> (as long as you plan to ship more in the future.)  Then once they open the
> account, you should be talking to a local rep.  Ask them to please discount
> your price by 40%.  They should do it.  That is all there is to it!
>
> I use them all the time.  They are GREAT, reliable and very cost
> effective.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Moose
>
>
>
>
>
> From:        "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> To:        "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date:        03/28/2022 13:09
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim_______________________________________________
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 19:02:45 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 21:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
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I have a couple of those Craftsman hoses, and they are in
astonishingly good condition after 15 years.  Probably can't buy the
like of them today, but we have bought some hoses at work that seem
equally durable, but they are incredibly heavy.  Can't remember the
brand, but they came from Grainger, I think.  Yellow in color...

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:24 PM <ronald.olds at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> i have several Craftsman 100% rubber hoses that are more than 25 years old and have never had a problem.
>
> Ron Olds
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian and Wendy Warrick" <maynerdfamily at msn.com>
> To: "shop-talk" <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 2:46:02 PM
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a great hose.
>
> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
>
> Thanks
> Brian Warrick
> Nampa, ID
>
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Tue Mar 29 06:04:28 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 12:04:28 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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Thanks for the replies all. I am aware of Fastenal but should have noted that this crate will be going to the port in Long Beach so "store to store" isn't an option.

Despite having a UPS account I think I will avoid them.

Thanks again
tim
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 12:08 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid

Hi all,

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.

thanks
tim
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From JIBrooks at live.com  Wed Mar 30 20:00:17 2022
From: JIBrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 02:00:17 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bear proof bird feeder.
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Stop feeding the birds when the bears come out of hibernation???  By this time in the spring the birds should be able to find sufficient food on their own. It's what our friends to in WY to avoid having bear guests on the second floor deck.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Peter J. Thomas
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 11:29 AM
To: Shop-Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bear proof bird feeder.

I have a bird feeder on a post made out of galvanized iron pipe. Bear keeps bending it to the ground and I keep bending it back. Tired of this routine so I plan on making a bear/squirrel proof bird feeder.? I ordered a 7.5'x3" aluminized steel 16 gauge exhaust pipe (required shop content for this post).? I'll dig down about a foot to bedrock.? Cement the pipe to the bedrock and fill the pipe with cement, kinda like a lolly column.? I'm pretty sure this will be strong enough to resist the bear, unless he brings his brother, and thick enough that the squirrels can't climb it.

On top of this I plan to make and weld a bid feeder but not sure what thickness of steel to used.? Once complete I'll paint paint auto paint. Any insights?? Thanx

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From pj_thomas at comcast.net  Thu Mar 31 08:52:37 2022
From: pj_thomas at comcast.net (Peter J. Thomas)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:52:37 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bear proof bird feeder.
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For years I just put just enough in the morning so that it's empty by 
sunset.? At night the bears usually stand up, see it's empty and move 
alone.? This year the bear(s) got lazy and bend the empty feeder over to 
check.? So even if I stopped feeding the birds they would still damage 
the feeder. Plus the cat and elderly MIL like to watch the birds during 
the day so I'd like to continue to feed them.

I sure my planned pole will work.? What gauge/thickness steel should I 
build the feeder out of to resist the bear?



On 3/30/2022 10:00 PM, Jack Brooks wrote:
> Stop feeding the birds when the bears come out of hibernation???  By this time in the spring the birds should be able to find sufficient food on their own. It's what our friends to in WY to avoid having bear guests on the second floor deck.
>
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Peter J. Thomas
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 11:29 AM
> To: Shop-Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Bear proof bird feeder.
>
> I have a bird feeder on a post made out of galvanized iron pipe. Bear keeps bending it to the ground and I keep bending it back. Tired of this routine so I plan on making a bear/squirrel proof bird feeder.? I ordered a 7.5'x3" aluminized steel 16 gauge exhaust pipe (required shop content for this post).? I'll dig down about a foot to bedrock.? Cement the pipe to the bedrock and fill the pipe with cement, kinda like a lolly column.? I'm pretty sure this will be strong enough to resist the bear, unless he brings his brother, and thick enough that the squirrels can't climb it.
>
> On top of this I plan to make and weld a bid feeder but not sure what thickness of steel to used.? Once complete I'll paint paint auto paint. Any insights?? Thanx
>
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From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com  Thu Mar 31 18:50:25 2022
From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:50:25 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Bear proof bird feeder.
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Consider letting them bend it as they wish.? Weld a large spring 
(perhaps a garage door spring, a car suspension spring, something easy 
to find and heavy) and let them bend it as they wish. When they are done 
it will return to vertical undamaged.

Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller at threeboysfarm.com

On 3/31/2022 11:00 AM, shop-talk-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> I have a bird feeder on a post made out of galvanized iron pipe. Bear keeps bending it to the ground and I keep bending it back. Tired of this routine so I plan on making a bear/squirrel proof bird feeder.? I ordered a 7.5'x3" aluminized steel 16 gauge exhaust pipe (required shop content for this post).? I'll dig down about a foot to bedrock.? Cement the pipe to the bedrock and fill the pipe with cement, kinda like a lolly column.? I'm pretty sure this will be strong enough to resist the bear, unless he brings his brother, and thick enough that the squirrels can't climb it.
>
> On top of this I plan to make and weld a bid feeder but not sure what thickness of steel to used.? Once complete I'll paint paint auto paint. Any insights?? Thanx
>
>