From tjcora at icloud.com Wed Jun 1 21:25:44 2022 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 23:25:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Um. A mechanic with a calibrated gauge? I?m not thinking so. He (or she) has got the one he bought from the Snap-On/Mac/Marco truck and when it goes wonky on him, he buys a new one. If your mechanic claims to have a calibrated gauge, ask where it was calibrated and to see the cal cert traceable to NIST. And don?t hold your breath. One of our labs does calibration of the high pressure, fast response pressure transducers they use. It?s a nontrivial operation. Tom Coradeschi Tjcora at icloud.com > On May 30, 2022, at 12:28 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?There is a very easy way that I calibrated all my TPG. > > Go to a trusted mechanic that you are friendly with. Ask him if he has a calibrated gauge. (He most likely does.) > > Then, check all your tires. 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URL: From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Thu Jun 2 13:01:02 2022 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 15:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] hearing protection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <832b2abb-4cd8-e1a6-0da9-f9077e2fc153@sackheads.org> I use a pair of Etymotic ER4P earphones.? They're not noise-cancelling but they're rated down to 42dB noise reduction if you use foam tips.? That's enough to reduce my lawn mower to a distant hum even if I'm not listening to music.? Downside is they're old-school wired earphones, not bluetooth but you can buy a bluetooth receiver on Amazon for $10. Looks like the ER4P isn't available anymore and have been replaced by the ER4XR (for increased bass response) and ER4SR (for balanced response).? I'm sure the isolation of the new models is just as good or better. I'm not sure I'd recommend using these when running or riding a bike.? They provide what I would describe as a dangerous level of noise isolation. On 6/2/22 13:11, eric at megageek.com wrote: > Brain Trust. > > I'm looking for new hearing protectors and I was wondering if anyone > could give me a recommendation. > > Ideally I would like the following features. > > 'ear bud' style (prefer if they are connected to each other with a > cable but not required) > Noise Canceling > Bluetooth connection to listen to music > Can be used for firing a weapon > Can be worn while running -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 13:01:15 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 15:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Finishing a tricky ceiling Message-ID: Got a hankering for some opinions... We have a small room under our basement. About 4' by 12', it is directly underneath our front porch. We refer to it as the "bomb shelter" as it is all cinderblock and earth-sheltered on one side,and the other three sides are adjacent to basement rooms or crawlspace. As it is under the porch, there is occasional water seepage around the perimeter - mostly when we wash the porch (it is walled on three sides and has a roof over it. The ceiling is the porch floor, installed by laying a metal pan down and pouring the porch slab on top (much like floors in commercial buildings. The main problem is that the pan was not galvanized, and so it rains a constant shower of little rusty metal particles and chunks into the room. I'd like to put a ceiling in there to catch all of that before it gets all over the stuff that I have stored on the shelves. It must be removable so I can check the pan for imminent failure, and must also be moisture-resistant. I have some idea of what I might do, but the collective wisdom can often be much sharper than me alone. Any ideas? Once I solve the ceiling, I'm going to dry-lok the walls and finish it a little nicer so I can store shop supplies down there. Picture of the ceiling: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 782503 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 716200 bytes Desc: not available URL: From parkanzky at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 13:09:37 2022 From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 15:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Finishing a tricky ceiling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How about polycarbonate panels like they use for greenhouse roofs? It's obviously completely waterproof. You can get clear if you don't mind seeing whatever accumulates on top of it or something opaque if you want it to look nice and don't mind pulling a panel down to look at what's going on up there. -Paul On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Got a hankering for some opinions... > > We have a small room under our basement. About 4' by 12', it is > directly underneath our front porch. We refer to it as the "bomb > shelter" as it is all cinderblock and earth-sheltered on one side,and > the other three sides are adjacent to basement rooms or crawlspace. > > As it is under the porch, there is occasional water seepage around the > perimeter - mostly when we wash the porch (it is walled on three sides > and has a roof over it. The ceiling is the porch floor, installed by > laying a metal pan down and pouring the porch slab on top (much like > floors in commercial buildings. The main problem is that the pan was > not galvanized, and so it rains a constant shower of little rusty > metal particles and chunks into the room. > > I'd like to put a ceiling in there to catch all of that before it gets > all over the stuff that I have stored on the shelves. It must be > removable so I can check the pan for imminent failure, and must also > be moisture-resistant. I have some idea of what I might do, but the > collective wisdom can often be much sharper than me alone. Any > ideas? Once I solve the ceiling, I'm going to dry-lok the walls and > finish it a little nicer so I can store shop supplies down there. > > Picture of the ceiling: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Fri Jun 3 13:23:50 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Finishing a tricky ceiling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307EE26D-1BFD-4D59-8BA2-F21A0CE43B44@icloud.com> Jeff, The first thing that comes to mind is to blast the metal & then coat it with a etching, high solids primer like the Rusolium that is used on airplanes & CONEX containers. The other coating that comes to mind is a a rubberized coating. Both will contain the rusty cruft & also give you an indication of where major damage locations are by bubbling. I probably wouldn?t put up a real ceiling because I wouldn?t want any water to accumulate in or above the ceiling because the water could cause mold or if it is a waterproof ceiling would be a mess to remove when wet. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:05 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: ?Got a hankering for some opinions... We have a small room under our basement. About 4' by 12', it is directly underneath our front porch. We refer to it as the "bomb shelter" as it is all cinderblock and earth-sheltered on one side,and the other three sides are adjacent to basement rooms or crawlspace. As it is under the porch, there is occasional water seepage around the perimeter - mostly when we wash the porch (it is walled on three sides and has a roof over it. The ceiling is the porch floor, installed by laying a metal pan down and pouring the porch slab on top (much like floors in commercial buildings. The main problem is that the pan was not galvanized, and so it rains a constant shower of little rusty metal particles and chunks into the room. I'd like to put a ceiling in there to catch all of that before it gets all over the stuff that I have stored on the shelves. It must be removable so I can check the pan for imminent failure, and must also be moisture-resistant. 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I used shims to pitch the area slightly to one end and then installed a piece of gutter with a drain to an out of the way area. It has worked fine, but I wouldn?t want to have to remove it periodically to check the condition of the upper surface. Something like this would be more work to install, but I have seen brands of this type of system that have easily removable panels. https://raintightdecks.com/under-deck-ceiling/ > On Jun 3, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > > How about polycarbonate panels like they use for greenhouse roofs? It's obviously completely waterproof. You can get clear if you don't mind seeing whatever accumulates on top of it or something opaque if you want it to look nice and don't mind pulling a panel down to look at what's going on up there. > > -Paul > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Jeff Scarbrough > wrote: > Got a hankering for some opinions... > > We have a small room under our basement. About 4' by 12', it is > directly underneath our front porch. We refer to it as the "bomb > shelter" as it is all cinderblock and earth-sheltered on one side,and > the other three sides are adjacent to basement rooms or crawlspace. > > As it is under the porch, there is occasional water seepage around the > perimeter - mostly when we wash the porch (it is walled on three sides > and has a roof over it. The ceiling is the porch floor, installed by > laying a metal pan down and pouring the porch slab on top (much like > floors in commercial buildings. The main problem is that the pan was > not galvanized, and so it rains a constant shower of little rusty > metal particles and chunks into the room. > > I'd like to put a ceiling in there to catch all of that before it gets > all over the stuff that I have stored on the shelves. It must be > removable so I can check the pan for imminent failure, and must also > be moisture-resistant. 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 11:21:34 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 10:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Pressure Washing 'Modern' Truck Message-ID: <471ab195-1fd4-69ec-7f7e-6069ccdb9aac@comcast.net> I have a '96 Ranger that will be due for a CA smog check in a couple months. I've been using it for farm duties and transport to hay baling assignments, and the engine compartment's gotten a good cake of dust. Besides the 'usual' prep--injector cleaner, clean the (K&N) air filter, fresh gas and oil, etc.--I'm thinking of pressure washing the engine because, well, because it looks like crap. I know appearances don't count--OBDII and tailpipe emissions only--but I need to wash my riding lawnmower and I'll have the pressure hooked-up anyway ... So, anyone had an issue pressure washing a new(ish) vehicle with ECU, CoP, etc.? I don't think twice about pressure washing my old cars and tractors, except for maybe losing some paint, and if they won't start I know it's a matter of getting the electricals dried out, but a newer vehicle with their 'delicate' electronics? TIA, Bob From fishplate at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 11:37:33 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:37:33 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Pressure Washing 'Modern' Truck In-Reply-To: <471ab195-1fd4-69ec-7f7e-6069ccdb9aac@comcast.net> References: <471ab195-1fd4-69ec-7f7e-6069ccdb9aac@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'd avoid spraying anything directly that has more than three wires going into it. Other than that, it's all made to be outdoors in the weather, so it can handle a little rain. Just don't force any water where it shouldn't go. On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 13:21 Bob Spidell wrote: > I have a '96 Ranger that will be due for a CA smog check in a couple > months. I've been using it for farm duties and transport to hay baling > assignments, and the engine compartment's gotten a good cake of dust. > Besides the 'usual' prep--injector cleaner, clean the (K&N) air filter, > fresh gas and oil, etc.--I'm thinking of pressure washing the engine > because, well, because it looks like crap. I know appearances don't > count--OBDII and tailpipe emissions only--but I need to wash my riding > lawnmower and I'll have the pressure hooked-up anyway ... > > So, anyone had an issue pressure washing a new(ish) vehicle with ECU, > CoP, etc.? I don't think twice about pressure washing my old cars and > tractors, except for maybe losing some paint, and if they won't start I > know it's a matter of getting the electricals dried out, but a newer > vehicle with their 'delicate' electronics? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:26 PM, john niolon wrote: ? finally went to the skin doc to get a look at two spots on my left arm/hand one nickel size and one dime sized took them off and sewed me up...but I'm on the three-four week inactive list for anything that uses my left arm (primary that sucks... but I'll have some near 3" scars.....aarrrggghhh? wear your sunscreen !!!!! john dime sized one nickel sized one _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Doug On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:45 PM Pat Horne wrote: > > Glad they caught it! Yes, sun screen is your friend. > > Peace, > Pat > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:26 PM, john niolon wrote: > > ? > finally went to the skin doc to get a look at two spots on my left > arm/hand one nickel size and one dime sized > > took them off and sewed me up...but I'm on the three-four week inactive > list for anything that uses my left arm (primary > > that sucks... but I'll have some near 3" scars.....aarrrggghhh? wear your > sunscreen !!!!! > > john > > dime sized one > [image: IMG_0128a.jpg] > > nickel sized one > > [image: IMG_0129a.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Jun 10, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ?I have a '96 Ranger that will be due for a CA smog check in a couple months. I've been using it for farm duties and transport to hay baling assignments, and the engine compartment's gotten a good cake of dust. Besides the 'usual' prep--injector cleaner, clean the (K&N) air filter, fresh gas and oil, etc.--I'm thinking of pressure washing the engine because, well, because it looks like crap. I know appearances don't count--OBDII and tailpipe emissions only--but I need to wash my riding lawnmower and I'll have the pressure hooked-up anyway ... > > So, anyone had an issue pressure washing a new(ish) vehicle with ECU, CoP, etc.? I don't think twice about pressure washing my old cars and tractors, except for maybe losing some paint, and if they won't start I know it's a matter of getting the electricals dried out, but a newer vehicle with their 'delicate' electronics? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > From pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 16:58:01 2022 From: pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com (PJ McGarvey) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 22:58:01 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] do right !!! wear your sunscreen In-Reply-To: References: <1UbrBDQCtN.84GERlrFP5o@johns-desktop> Message-ID: How you apply can matter as well, not just the SPF: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/how-to-apply-sunscreen/ And if you're my 16 year old pale-skinned daughter who wants to tan like her friends, it also helps to have a teacher who has been reminding them frequently of her own father who passed away of skin cancer recently. Scare tactics work like SPF in a way ? ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of old dirtbeard Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 4:19 PM To: Pat Horne Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] do right !!! wear your sunscreen Yes, great advice Pat. It is from a lifetime accumulation of UV-exposure, and the older we get, the more likely it will manifest in something like that. I just had a couple of small spots just "frozen" off from my nose (no cutting or stitching), but it is a risk that we all run particularly if you are caucasion and have spent time in the sun. The dermatologist suggested SPF 30 as the minimum, and SPF 50 as the recommended. Best, Doug On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:45 PM Pat Horne > wrote: Glad they caught it! Yes, sun screen is your friend. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:26 PM, john niolon > wrote: ? finally went to the skin doc to get a look at two spots on my left arm/hand one nickel size and one dime sized took them off and sewed me up...but I'm on the three-four week inactive list for anything that uses my left arm (primary that sucks... but I'll have some near 3" scars.....aarrrggghhh? wear your sunscreen !!!!! john dime sized one [IMG_0128a.jpg] nickel sized one [IMG_0129a.jpg] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 10, 2022, at 5:58 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: ? How you apply can matter as well, not just the SPF: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/how-to-apply-sunscreen/ And if you're my 16 year old pale-skinned daughter who wants to tan like her friends, it also helps to have a teacher who has been reminding them frequently of her own father who passed away of skin cancer recently. Scare tactics work like SPF in a way ? From: Shop-talk on behalf of old dirtbeard Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 4:19 PM To: Pat Horne Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] do right !!! wear your sunscreen Yes, great advice Pat. It is from a lifetime accumulation of UV-exposure, and the older we get, the more likely it will manifest in something like that. I just had a couple of small spots just "frozen" off from my nose (no cutting or stitching), but it is a risk that we all run particularly if you are caucasion and have spent time in the sun. The dermatologist suggested SPF 30 as the minimum, and SPF 50 as the recommended. Best, Doug On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:45 PM Pat Horne wrote: Glad they caught it! Yes, sun screen is your friend. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:26 PM, john niolon wrote: ? finally went to the skin doc to get a look at two spots on my left arm/hand one nickel size and one dime sized took them off and sewed me up...but I'm on the three-four week inactive list for anything that uses my left arm (primary that sucks... but I'll have some near 3" scars.....aarrrggghhh? wear your sunscreen !!!!! john dime sized one nickel sized one _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I started wearing them as a teen as a fashion statement?remember Vuarnets??and, at 69 I?m the only person in my family that hasn?t had cataracts. > On Jun 10, 2022, at 4:54 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > ? > My dad, who lived in Florida most of his life, used to go to the dermatologist once a year to get the tops of his ears frozen off and a patch of skin the size of a silver dollar excised from the top of his head. > > I learned from my dad ... > >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 15:26 john niolon wrote: >> finally went to the skin doc to get a look at two spots on my left arm/hand one nickel size and one dime sized >> >> took them off and sewed me up...but I'm on the three-four week inactive list for anything that uses my left arm (primary >> >> that sucks... but I'll have some near 3" scars.....aarrrggghhh? wear your sunscreen !!!!! >> >> john >> >> dime sized one >> >> >> nickel sized one >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu Jun 16 14:16:28 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:16:28 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] PITA to remove screw in bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can use dielectric grease, but it's an electrical insulator (hence 'dielectric'). The theory is threads push it away allowing contact, but you're kinda at cross-purposes. I've used it for years, but someone recommended to me a better solution. Expensive, but this stuff works great, and is tenacious as hell: https://www.alliedelec.com/product/color-keyed-by-abb/cp8-tb/70092765/ I've been using it on battery terminals, and the old bullet-style connectors in my old cars to occlude air and prevent corrosion. On 6/16/2022 12:53 PM, Tim . wrote: > Mostly in ceiling fans.....I have a hard time removing screw in bulbs. > They are very hard to turn and at least once I've had the bulb twist > out of its mount leaving the male end in the fixture. > > Can I use di-electric grease on light bulbs? If not, is there > something else that I can use to make it easier to remove bulbs? > > thanks > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Thu Jun 16 14:18:01 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 15:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] PITA to remove screw in bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65B82883-3C18-4931-812F-4E5B493E2289@icloud.com> I?ve never looked into this but the only problem I see with using dielectric grease is that the heat could make it melt & drip out, so use it very sparingly. Also, you may be over-tightening the bulbs. There is a spring on the socket center contact that shouldn?t be fully compressed. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Tim . wrote: ? Mostly in ceiling fans.....I have a hard time removing screw in bulbs. They are very hard to turn and at least once I've had the bulb twist out of its mount leaving the male end in the fixture. Can I use di-electric grease on light bulbs? If not, is there something else that I can use to make it easier to remove bulbs? thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, is there something else that I can use to make it easier to remove bulbs? thanks_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 16 14:47:50 2022 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 20:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] PITA to remove screw in bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1479459376.4822972.1655412470043@mail.yahoo.com> I've used copper bearing anti-seize with good results on old automotive harnesses.? If using it here apply a thin layer on the threads only and away from the insulator.? Wipe off the excess. I always have a can of it here since it lasts forever. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spidell To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2022 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] PITA to remove screw in bulbs You can use dielectric grease, but it's an electrical insulator (hence 'dielectric'). The theory is threads push it away allowing contact, but you're kinda at cross-purposes. I've used it for years, but someone recommended to me a better solution. Expensive, but this stuff works great, and is tenacious as hell: https://www.alliedelec.com/product/color-keyed-by-abb/cp8-tb/70092765/ I've been using it on battery terminals, and the old bullet-style connectors in my old cars to occlude air and prevent corrosion. On 6/16/2022 12:53 PM, Tim . wrote: #yiv2692541483 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Mostly in ceiling fans.....I have a hard time removing screw in bulbs. 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Best, Ian On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:53 PM Tim . wrote: > Mostly in ceiling fans.....I have a hard time removing screw in bulbs. > They are very hard to turn and at least once I've had the bulb twist out of > its mount leaving the male end in the fixture. > > Can I use di-electric grease on light bulbs? If not, is there something > else that I can use to make it easier to remove bulbs? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Fri Jun 17 12:33:50 2022 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:33:50 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] PITA to remove screw in bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks all!! ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 2:53 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] PITA to remove screw in bulbs Mostly in ceiling fans.....I have a hard time removing screw in bulbs. They are very hard to turn and at least once I've had the bulb twist out of its mount leaving the male end in the fixture. Can I use di-electric grease on light bulbs? If not, is there something else that I can use to make it easier to remove bulbs? thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Tue Jun 21 15:26:08 2022 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:26:08 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Message-ID: Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my network on the very first step.) thanks tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 15:42:34 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:42:34 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Too late to return it? The specs mention a USB port as well as a network jack, but it also says : "This printer is intended to work only with cartridges that have a new or reused HP chip, and it uses dynamic security measures to block cartridges using a non-HP chip. Periodic firmware updates will maintain the effectiveness of these measures and block cartridges that previously worked. A reused HP chip enables the use of reused, remanufactured, and refilled cartridges. More at:http://www.hp.com/learn/ds " This tells me that it wants to periodically update the software/firmware,and constantly check that you didn't slip in an off-brand cartridge by mistake, or that it just wants to fail at an inconvenient time. Probably not a way to get around that without some real effort. I have a Brother all-in-one that I like because it doesn't have this feature. - even though I use authentic cartridges in it. (I had an Epson inkjet printer that would not print black and white if it was out of color ink, even though the black cartridge was full. I have no use for stuff like that.) On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 5:26 PM Tim . wrote: > > Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. > > I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. > > When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. > > I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. > > Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my network on the very first step.) > > thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > From eric at megageek.com Wed Jun 22 05:32:01 2022 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:32:01 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In a nutshell.... BRING IT BACK!!! A printer company does NOT need to require internet for printing. It's clearly amassing data/metrics about you and your computing habits (and can be remotely 'disabled' at any time.) Consumers need to stand up to companies and say "NO MORE" Only support products that we can buy and OWN without their permissions. Plus, it is a MASSIVE security hole. In this world of cyber attacks, you'll never find a device like that in my house. My $10 worth! Moose From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Date: 06/21/2022 05:26 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Sent by: "Shop-talk" Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my network on the very first step.) thanks tim_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From battmain at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 05:58:26 2022 From: battmain at yahoo.com (Battmain) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <645859445.7238284.1655899106594@mail.yahoo.com> Search on the model number, driver download.? I see smart app. Skip that and get installation software. 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URL: From james.f.juhas at snet.net Wed Jun 22 07:53:03 2022 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:53:03 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I can control from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same security hole?, Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:32 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?In a nutshell.... > > BRING IT BACK!!! > > A printer company does NOT need to require internet for printing. It's clearly amassing data/metrics about you and your computing habits (and can be remotely 'disabled' at any time.) > > Consumers need to stand up to companies and say "NO MORE" Only support products that we can buy and OWN without their permissions. Plus, it is a MASSIVE security hole. In this world of cyber attacks, you'll never find a device like that in my house. > > My $10 worth! > > Moose > > > > From: "Tim ." > To: "Shop Talk" > Date: 06/21/2022 05:26 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > > > > Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. > > I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. > > When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. > > I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. > > Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my network on the very first step.) > > thanks > tim_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 08:11:52 2022 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:11:52 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> Message-ID: The ostensible reason for the web connectivity to an HP printer is to enable auto-refill ordering for your ink cartridges, to automate software updates, to provide you with a convenient dashboard to see your consumable levels, etc. Again, it ostensibly is to make life more convenient for you and perhaps more profitable for HP. It also helps to tie you more closely to the HP world, allows them to see if you are using non-HP cartridges, etc. You clearly do not need to do it. There may be some advantages, but you do not need it enabled for the printer to work. Anytime that you connect another device to your home network, you are adding another IP address that potentially could be exploited. I currently have about 20 devices on my home network including laptops, cell phones, Ring cameras, Amazon Fire Sticks for the televisions, a couple Sub Zero appliances, some Davis weather station devices, etc. You should have your home router configured with a firewall enabled and you should monitor the connected devices, etc. Although adding a printer or a Ring camera potentially does add another exploitable device, if your firewall is enabled, and your router firmware is up-to-date, the risks for these devices are much lower than the risks for your laptops, desktops, mobile devices, etc. that are actively interacting with the internet. best, doug On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 6:53 AM Jim Juhas wrote: > Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I > can control from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same > security hole?, > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:32 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?In a nutshell.... > > BRING IT BACK!!! > > A printer company does NOT need to require internet for printing. It's > clearly amassing data/metrics about you and your computing habits (and can > be remotely 'disabled' at any time.) > > Consumers need to stand up to companies and say "NO MORE" Only support > products that we can buy and OWN without their permissions. Plus, it is a > MASSIVE security hole. In this world of cyber attacks, you'll never find a > device like that in my house. > > My $10 worth! > > Moose > > > > From: "Tim ." > To: "Shop Talk" > Date: 06/21/2022 05:26 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------ > > > > Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out > there. > > I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for > shipping labels. > > When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even > after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. > > I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for > constant web access by the machine. > > Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the > HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my > network on the very first step.) > > thanks > tim_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jblair1948 at cox.net Wed Jun 22 08:14:44 2022 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:14:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> Message-ID: At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote: >Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I can >ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same >ecurity hole?, Jim, I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit. There is an app for it you have to down load. When we did, it wanted access to everything on our smart phone. So we deleted the app. It doesn't need access to anything on my smart phone. This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous. All these web sites that require a log on to even "window" shop. I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? Same thing with apps. If I can go to a site with my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my cell phone? I've quit going to all those sites. But I doubt they will get the message. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 08:26:37 2022 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <20220622141509.B6580A04A1@autox.team.net> References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> <20220622141509.B6580A04A1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: > I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for each site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten it. I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has served me well. Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, but everything that needs a password has one unique feature, and one feature tying it to a group. Since you all are clever people, you can figure something out. Add a common element to make the passwords long enough (passphrase or acronym) and you are good to go. You wind up with some combination of [common part + group part + unique part] The hardest part is changing all the passwords! And after a 35 year career as an engineer with one foot in the IT world, I am amused to say that it was my 80-year-old father who provided me with the system. I'm not sure I ever would have thought of it on my own. I don't know where he got it from, but I'm grateful for how much easier my modern life is. On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair wrote: > At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote: > > >Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I > can > >ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same > >ecurity hole?, > > Jim, > > I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit. There is an > app for > it you have to down load. When we did, it wanted access to everything on > our > smart phone. So we deleted the app. It doesn't need access to anything > on > my smart phone. > > This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous. All these web sites that > require a > log on to even "window" shop. I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm > supposed to remember them? Same thing with apps. If I can go to a site > with > my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my > cell phone? I've quit going to all those sites. But I doubt they will > get the > message. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_4998848331408064074_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Wed Jun 22 08:31:28 2022 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:31:28 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> Message-ID: Jim, I hate to say it, but YES!!! in fact, my neighbor bought an IOT enable stove. I showed him that I could turn it on and off from my house. There is a saying in the cyber security world, "The "S" in "IOT" stands for security!" These home camera systems, door bells, baby monitors, refrigerators, TVs, and of course, Siri/Alexa are constantly gathering data from you. Think about the topics you talk about in your kitchen. Many of these devices have at LEAST a mic, and now many have cameras as well. This is not 'conspiracy nonsense' look up the reports about it. Moose From: Jim Juhas To: eric at megageek.com Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net Date: 06/22/2022 09:53 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I can control from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same security hole?, Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:32 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: In a nutshell.... BRING IT BACK!!! A printer company does NOT need to require internet for printing. It's clearly amassing data/metrics about you and your computing habits (and can be remotely 'disabled' at any time.) Consumers need to stand up to companies and say "NO MORE" Only support products that we can buy and OWN without their permissions. Plus, it is a MASSIVE security hole. In this world of cyber attacks, you'll never find a device like that in my house. My $10 worth! Moose From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Date: 06/21/2022 05:26 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Sent by: "Shop-talk" Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. 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URL: From eric at megageek.com Wed Jun 22 08:42:09 2022 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:42:09 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> <20220622141509.B6580A04A1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I built something similar for my personal use. It is an encrypted database, and even the entries are in a nomenclature that only I know. I literally could show someone the password from my database and it would be meaningless to them, but it is a formula for how the password works. It is a pain, but never allow the web browser to remember your passwords. Moose From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" Date: 06/22/2022 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Sent by: "Shop-talk" > I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for each site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten it. I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has served me well. Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, but everything that needs a password has one unique feature, and one feature tying it to a group. Since you all are clever people, you can figure something out. Add a common element to make the passwords long enough (passphrase or acronym) and you are good to go. You wind up with some combination of [common part + group part + unique part] The hardest part is changing all the passwords! And after a 35 year career as an engineer with one foot in the IT world, I am amused to say that it was my 80-year-old father who provided me with the system. I'm not sure I ever would have thought of it on my own. I don't know where he got it from, but I'm grateful for how much easier my modern life is. On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair wrote: At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote: >Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I can >ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same >ecurity hole?, Jim, I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit. There is an app for it you have to down load. When we did, it wanted access to everything on our smart phone. So we deleted the app. It doesn't need access to anything on my smart phone. This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous. All these web sites that require a log on to even "window" shop. I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? Same thing with apps. If I can go to a site with my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my cell phone? I've quit going to all those sites. But I doubt they will get the message. John This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Wed Jun 22 08:55:37 2022 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:55:37 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks everyone. Moose's first reply was, in part, what I had been thinking. The rest of the security issue replies cemented the return. My printed (and frelling HP) do not need access to my contacts, etc. PITA spying printer is boxed with (free) shipping label and going away tomorrow. Thanks again all tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 4:26 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my network on the very first step.) thanks tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenix722 at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 08:59:25 2022 From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> <20220622141509.B6580A04A1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3af5814e-a0e0-8571-c418-95a5c1d7d5fc@comcast.net> At the risk of sounding paranoid, we are! Nothing is private anymore. Mike On 6/22/2022 7:42 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > I built something similar for my personal use. ?It is an encrypted > database, and even the entries are in a nomenclature that only I know. > ?I literally could show someone the password from my database and it > would be meaningless to them, but it is a formula for how the password > works. > > It is a pain, but never allow the web browser to remember your passwords. > > Moose > > > > From: Jeff Scarbrough > To: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" > Date: 06/22/2022 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >??I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? > > I have a password?system that allows me to create a unique password > for each site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have > forgotten it.? I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has > served me well.? Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, > but everything that needs a password has one unique feature, and one > feature tying it to a group.? Since you all are clever people, you can > figure something out.? Add a common element to make the passwords long > enough (passphrase or acronym) and you are good to go.? You wind up > with some combination of? [common part + group part + unique part] The > hardest part is changing all the passwords! > > And after a 35 year career as an engineer with one foot in the IT > world, I am amused to say that it was my 80-year-old father who > provided me with?the system.? I'm not sure I ever would have thought > of it on my own.? I don't know where he got it from, but I'm grateful > for how much easier my modern life is. > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair <_jblair1948 at cox.net_ > > wrote: > At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote: > > >Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air > conditioner I can > >ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same > >ecurity hole?, > > Jim, > > I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit. There is > an app for > it you have to down load.? When we did, it wanted access to everything > on our > smart phone.? So we deleted the app.? It doesn't need access to > anything on > my smart phone. > > This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous.? All these web sites > that require a > log on to even "window" shop.? I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm > supposed to remember them?? Same thing with apps.? If I can go to a > site with > my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my > cell phone?? I've quit going to all those sites.? But I doubt they > will get the > message. > > John > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. _ > __www.avast.com_ > > _ > _ > > > > John T. Blair? WA4OHZ???? email: _jblair1948 at cox.net_ > > Va. Beach, Va Phone:? (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800??? 48 #4 Midget??? 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > ???? 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire??? 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: _http://autox.team.net/morgan/_ > Bricklin: _http://www.bricklin.org_ > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > ???? e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > ???? In God We Trust > ???? Liberty - the? power of? choosing,? thinking,? and? acting? for > oneself; freedom? from? control? or? restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > _ > __Shop-talk at autox.team.net_ > Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ > > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: _http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk_ > _http://autox.team.net/archive_ > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com_ > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation ?$12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722 at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronnie.day at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 09:33:27 2022 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:33:27 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <3af5814e-a0e0-8571-c418-95a5c1d7d5fc@comcast.net> References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> <20220622141509.B6580A04A1@autox.team.net> <3af5814e-a0e0-8571-c418-95a5c1d7d5fc@comcast.net> Message-ID: I suggest checking YouTube for info on dealing with this situation. You might be able to find a solution there. That said, I prefer Brother or Epson printers for general use and I have a Canon Pro 100 for higher quality photo printing. Both Brother and Epson frequently have great deals on factory refurbs. I usually buy ink cartridges from LD Products. I refill the Canon carts myself. Great info on Jose Rodriquez's YouTube channel. On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:00 AM Mike Sinclair wrote: > At the risk of sounding paranoid, we are! Nothing is private anymore. > > Mike > On 6/22/2022 7:42 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > I built something similar for my personal use. It is an encrypted > database, and even the entries are in a nomenclature that only I know. I > literally could show someone the password from my database and it would be > meaningless to them, but it is a formula for how the password works. > > It is a pain, but never allow the web browser to remember your passwords. > > Moose > > > > From: Jeff Scarbrough > To: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" > > Date: 06/22/2022 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > > ------------------------------ > > > > > I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? > > I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for > each site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have > forgotten it. I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has served me > well. Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, but everything > that needs a password has one unique feature, and one feature tying it to a > group. Since you all are clever people, you can figure something out. Add > a common element to make the passwords long enough (passphrase or acronym) > and you are good to go. You wind up with some combination of [common part > + group part + unique part] The hardest part is changing all the passwords! > > And after a 35 year career as an engineer with one foot in the IT world, I > am amused to say that it was my 80-year-old father who provided me with the > system. I'm not sure I ever would have thought of it on my own. I don't > know where he got it from, but I'm grateful for how much easier my modern > life is. > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair <*jblair1948 at cox.net* > > wrote: > At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote: > > >Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I > can > >ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same > >ecurity hole?, > > Jim, > > I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit. There is an > app for > it you have to down load. When we did, it wanted access to everything on > our > smart phone. So we deleted the app. It doesn't need access to anything > on > my smart phone. > > This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous. All these web sites that > require a > log on to even "window" shop. I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm > supposed to remember them? Same thing with apps. If I can go to a site > with > my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my > cell phone? I've quit going to all those sites. But I doubt they will > get the > message. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > *www.avast.com* > > > > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: *jblair1948 at cox.net* > > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: *http://autox.team.net/morgan/* > Bricklin: *http://www.bricklin.org* > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > *Shop-talk at autox.team.net* > Donate: *http://www.team.net/donate.html* > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: *http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk* > *http://autox.team.net/archive* > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > *http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com* > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 22 09:43:33 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:43:33 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> Message-ID: <3CA30A52-65A5-445F-8BED-060A62A17051@icloud.com> It all depends on how well you trust the manufacturer & their security. Since it?s on your network if the ac has malware it can send information about anything it can find. Personally I don?t loose sleep, there are much bigger fish in the very big pond, but I do turn off as much as I can. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:53 AM, Jim Juhas wrote: ?Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I can control from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same security hole?, Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:32 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > ?In a nutshell.... > > BRING IT BACK!!! > > A printer company does NOT need to require internet for printing. It's clearly amassing data/metrics about you and your computing habits (and can be remotely 'disabled' at any time.) > > Consumers need to stand up to companies and say "NO MORE" Only support products that we can buy and OWN without their permissions. Plus, it is a MASSIVE security hole. In this world of cyber attacks, you'll never find a device like that in my house. > > My $10 worth! > > Moose > > > > From: "Tim ." > To: "Shop Talk" > Date: 06/21/2022 05:26 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > > > > Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. > > I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. > > When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. > > I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. > > Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my network on the very first step.) > > thanks > tim_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas at snet.net > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 22 09:54:15 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I usually swap out ink cartridges for refillable units or bulk ink kits (tanks outside the printer with hoses running in). I Also prefer Epson printers for inkjet & have an old HP color laser printer, both on my network but not phoning home. A friend bought a new color laser a few years ago for his office. He prints 99%+ black & white. Color cartridges were really expensive but he figured Thayer would last for years. He was really surprised when he had to replace the black toner & found his colors were almost empty. Turns out the printer used color along with black when printing black & white! Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: ? I suggest checking YouTube for info on dealing with this situation. You might be able to find a solution there. That said, I prefer Brother or Epson printers for general use and I have a Canon Pro 100 for higher quality photo printing. Both Brother and Epson frequently have great deals on factory refurbs. I usually buy ink cartridges from LD Products. I refill the Canon carts myself. Great info on Jose Rodriquez's YouTube channel. On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:00 AM Mike Sinclair wrote: > At the risk of sounding paranoid, we are! Nothing is private anymore. > > Mike > > On 6/22/2022 7:42 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: >> I built something similar for my personal use. It is an encrypted database, and even the entries are in a nomenclature that only I know. I literally could show someone the password from my database and it would be meaningless to them, but it is a formula for how the password works. >> >> It is a pain, but never allow the web browser to remember your passwords. >> >> Moose >> >> >> >> From: Jeff Scarbrough >> To: "shop-talk at autox.team.net" >> Date: 06/22/2022 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers >> Sent by: "Shop-talk" >> >> >> >> > I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? >> >> I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for each site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten it. I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has served me well. Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, but everything that needs a password has one unique feature, and one feature tying it to a group. Since you all are clever people, you can figure something out. Add a common element to make the passwords long enough (passphrase or acronym) and you are good to go. You wind up with some combination of [common part + group part + unique part] The hardest part is changing all the passwords! >> >> And after a 35 year career as an engineer with one foot in the IT world, I am amused to say that it was my 80-year-old father who provided me with the system. I'm not sure I ever would have thought of it on my own. I don't know where he got it from, but I'm grateful for how much easier my modern life is. >> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair wrote: >> At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote: >> >> >Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I can >> >ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same >> >ecurity hole?, >> >> Jim, >> >> I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit. There is an app for >> it you have to down load. When we did, it wanted access to everything on our >> smart phone. So we deleted the app. It doesn't need access to anything on >> my smart phone. >> >> This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous. All these web sites that require a >> log on to even "window" shop. I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? Same thing with apps. If I can go to a site with >> my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my >> cell phone? I've quit going to all those sites. But I doubt they will get the >> message. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net >> Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 >> >> 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) >> 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III >> 65 Rambler Classic >> >> Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ >> Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org >> >> If you can read this - Thank a teacher! >> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >> >> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: >> e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." >> In God We Trust >> Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for >> oneself; freedom from control or restriction >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722 at comcast.net >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jblair1948 at cox.net Wed Jun 22 10:54:02 2022 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:54:02 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> <20220622141509.B6580A04A1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: At 10:26 AM 6/22/2022, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >>I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? >I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for each >site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten it..... My question about remembering the 400 passwords was actually rhetorical. I too have a password program that encrypts the db. I only need to remember it's password. The down side of this, is that I can't truely go moble (unless I use a laptop with the program and db installed) and do things like log into all the sites that require it. :) But I can live with that. I just hate the fact that I have to have so many. I probably only need 10 of them. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 22 11:02:38 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:02:38 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <20220622165601.DDD13A0DB9@autox.team.net> References: <20220622165601.DDD13A0DB9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I use LastPass for my passwords. It runs on my pcs & iPhone. Only downside is that the db is on their computer so if the net is down it doesn?t work but then again if the net is down you probably don?t need your passwords! Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:56 AM, John T. Blair wrote: ? At 10:26 AM 6/22/2022, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >>I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? >I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for each >site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten it..... My question about remembering the 400 passwords was actually rhetorical. I too have a password program that encrypts the db. I only need to remember it's password. The down side of this, is that I can't truely go moble (unless I use a laptop with the program and db installed) and do things like log into all the sites that require it. :) But I can live with that. I just hate the fact that I have to have so many. I probably only need 10 of them. John This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at dinospider.com Wed Jun 22 11:25:07 2022 From: lists at dinospider.com (Mike Rambour) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:25:07 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <20220622165543.5425CA0DB8@autox.team.net> References: <76C6F64E-9AA9-427A-A698-6F0B092A3FDD@snet.net> <20220622141509.B6580A04A1@autox.team.net> <20220622165543.5425CA0DB8@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <35bda671-3bc7-1751-bac5-f28d46010565@dinospider.com> ?I have been using Keepass for a decade now.? Then because I started using Mac OSX and Windows at work, went with KeepassX? which works on all platforms.?? I started using Strongbox on my iPhone because it reads Keepass databases. My database is stored on Dropbox with a unique name that wont make sense to anyone who gets access to my Dropbox and besides the DB is encrypted with both a password and a keyfile (a small file somwhere also on Dropbox with a odd name deep down in some sub-dirs.????? The reason I went with Strongbox is that it has a offline access mode in read only so on my phone with no net access I still have my passwords, like when on vacation in Europe. Strongbox does not work on Windows however, so I keep using Keepass on Windows at work. Keepass, KeepassX and Strongbox all use the same database. ?Stongbox on a mac is also integrated with the web browsers so you just type in the strong box password and it inserts your user/pass combo in the browser, really handy to not have passwords stored in the browser,? on Windows Keepass does not integrate so its one extra step but I feel very secure. ?I like having a password and a keyfile for security, to open the encrypted DB the app needs both password and the keyfile to open,? in my case the keyfile is a word doc file for a recipe card, so no one would figure it out that it is important (well there is probably a way, but bigger fish out there). ??? mike On 6/22/22 9:54 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > At 10:26 AM 6/22/2022, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > >>I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? > > >I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password > for each > >site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have > forgotten it..... > > My question about remembering the 400 passwords was actually > rhetorical.? I too > have a password program that encrypts the db.? I only need to remember > it's password. > > The down side of this, is that I can't truely go moble (unless I use a > laptop with the program and db installed) and do things like log into > all the sites that require > it. :)?? But I can live with that. > > I just hate the fact that I have to have so many.? I probably only > need 10 of them. > > John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 12:20:50 2022 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:20:50 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Password management -- was HP M110we printer drivers Message-ID: <068e01d88664$cdbc2220$69346660$@gmail.com> Well, I just looked in my password manager and I have a similar number of passwords. It looks like about 420 at current count, so I use a password manager program. Currently I use LastPass ? using the premium version so I can get access on both mobile and desktop. I may be migrating to BitWarden this year, after giving it a trial period running alongside the other. The two main advantages I see are [1] I only have to remember a single [long, complex] master password, as opposed to trying to remember various for each site, and [2] the software generates long, random passwords that are near-impossible to break ? especially when each site gets its own password [and soon, maybe random generated usernames, too]. A sample password would be ? No8U6T#r3 at nEEsjvlQrknCwJfUGD ?. It would take until the end of the universe using current computing to brute force that! With individual, complex passwords I am more secure knowing that when some company I do business with gets hacked, all I have to change is the single password they have ? as opposed to trying to figure out which other sites I used the same password on. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:27 AM To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for each site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten it. I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has served me well. Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, but everything that needs a password has one unique feature, and one feature tying it to a group. Since you all are clever people, you can figure something out. Add a common element to make the passwords long enough (passphrase or acronym) and you are good to go. You wind up with some combination of [common part + group part + unique part] The hardest part is changing all the passwords! And after a 35 year career as an engineer with one foot in the IT world, I am amused to say that it was my 80-year-old father who provided me with the system. I'm not sure I ever would have thought of it on my own. I don't know where he got it from, but I'm grateful for how much easier my modern life is. On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair > wrote: At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote: >Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner I can >ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same >ecurity hole?, Jim, I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit. There is an app for it you have to down load. When we did, it wanted access to everything on our smart phone. So we deleted the app. It doesn't need access to anything on my smart phone. This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous. All these web sites that require a log on to even "window" shop. I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? Same thing with apps. If I can go to a site with my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my cell phone? I've quit going to all those sites. But I doubt they will get the message. John _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 12:24:50 2022 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:24:50 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06bb01d88665$5cb00cd0$16102670$@gmail.com> Tim - I don't know whether the printer was spying on you, but it sounds like HP wants to have the printer connected to stop you from using non-HP ink. If so, that might be enough for me to say I'll look for something else! FWIW, I did find a link to the page on HP's site to download drivers for the printer [your original request]: https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-laserjet-m109e-m112e-pri nter-series/34687926/model/35334170 ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Tim . Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:56 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Thanks everyone. Moose's first reply was, in part, what I had been thinking. The rest of the security issue replies cemented the return. My printed (and frelling HP) do not need access to my contacts, etc. PITA spying printer is boxed with (free) shipping label and going away tomorrow. Thanks again all tim _____ From: Shop-talk > on behalf of Tim . > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 4:26 PM To: Shop Talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out there. I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for shipping labels. When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for constant web access by the machine. Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my network on the very first step.) thanks tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 12:28:50 2022 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:28:50 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: <20220622165601.DDD13A0DB9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <06d801d88665$eb9bba20$c2d32e60$@gmail.com> Pat ? I currently use LastPass too, and have occasionally found my phone or computer couldn?t reach their server. The software will balk initially, but if you prod it, you will find it will use the locally stored encrypted copy. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Pat Horne Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:03 PM To: John T. Blair Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers I use LastPass for my passwords. It runs on my pcs & iPhone. Only downside is that the db is on their computer so if the net is down it doesn?t work but then again if the net is down you probably don?t need your passwords! Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:56 AM, John T. Blair > wrote: ? At 10:26 AM 6/22/2022, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >>I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? >I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for each >site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten it..... My question about remembering the 400 passwords was actually rhetorical. I too have a password program that encrypts the db. I only need to remember it's password. The down side of this, is that I can't truely go moble (unless I use a laptop with the program and db installed) and do things like log into all the sites that require it. :) But I can live with that. I just hate the fact that I have to have so many. I probably only need 10 of them. John _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 22 18:00:44 2022 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 19:00:44 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <06d801d88665$eb9bba20$c2d32e60$@gmail.com> References: <20220622165601.DDD13A0DB9@autox.team.net> <06d801d88665$eb9bba20$c2d32e60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Al. I've been using LastPass for many years, I started back well before they dropped their Xmarks program which I really liked. I've never had a problem with them. I also pay the subscription fee. Have a great evening. Peace, Pat On 6/22/2022 1:28 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote: > > Pat ? I currently use LastPass too, and have occasionally found my > phone or computer couldn?t reach their server. The software will balk > initially, but if you prod it, you will find it will use the locally > stored encrypted copy. > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > *From:* Shop-talk *On Behalf Of > *Pat Horne > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:03 PM > *To:* John T. Blair > *Cc:* Shop-talk at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > > I use LastPass for my passwords. It runs on my pcs & iPhone. Only > downside is that the db is on their computer so if the net is down it > doesn?t work but then again if the net is down you probably don?t need > your passwords! > > Peace, > > Pat > > Pat Horne > > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:56 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > ? At 10:26 AM 6/22/2022, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > >>I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? > > >I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password > for each > >site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have > forgotten it..... > > My question about remembering the 400 passwords was actually > rhetorical.? I too > have a password program that encrypts the db.? I only need to remember > it's password. > > The down side of this, is that I can't truely go moble (unless I use a > laptop with the program and db installed) and do things like log into > all the sites that require > it. :)?? But I can live with that. > > I just hate the fact that I have to have so many.? I probably only > need 10 of them. > > John > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Avast logo > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > > John T. Blair? WA4OHZ???? email: jblair1948 at cox.net > > Va. Beach, Va Phone:? (757) 495-8229 > > ????????? 48 TR1800??? 48 #4 Midget??? 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > > ???? 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)??? 77 Spitfire??? 71 Saab Sonett III > > ?????????????????????? 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this???????????? - Thank a teacher! > > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > > ???? e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > > ???? In God We Trust > > ???? Liberty - the? power? of choosing,? thinking,? and? acting? for > > ????????????????? oneself; freedom from? control? or? restriction > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation ?$12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > -- We support Habitat for Humanity, a hand UP, not a hand OUT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 13:59:16 2022 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 15:59:16 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: References: <20220622165601.DDD13A0DB9@autox.team.net> <06d801d88665$eb9bba20$c2d32e60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, xmarks! Having browser bookmarks synchronized across devices and browsers was great ? ________________ Best Regards, Al Fuller On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 8:00 PM Pat Horne wrote: > Thanks, Al. I've been using LastPass for many years, I started back well > before they dropped their Xmarks program which I really liked. I've never > had a problem with them. I also pay the subscription fee. > > Have a great evening. > > Peace, > Pat > On 6/22/2022 1:28 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote: > > Pat ? I currently use LastPass too, and have occasionally found my phone > or computer couldn?t reach their server. The software will balk initially, > but if you prod it, you will find it will use the locally stored encrypted > copy. > > > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > > > Al Fuller > > > > *From:* Shop-talk > *On Behalf Of *Pat Horne > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:03 PM > *To:* John T. Blair > *Cc:* Shop-talk at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > > > > I use LastPass for my passwords. It runs on my pcs & iPhone. Only downside > is that the db is on their computer so if the net is down it doesn?t work > but then again if the net is down you probably don?t need your passwords! > > > > Peace, > > Pat > > Pat Horne > > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > > > On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:56 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > ? At 10:26 AM 6/22/2022, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > >>I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them? > > >I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for > each > >site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten > it..... > > My question about remembering the 400 passwords was actually rhetorical. > I too > have a password program that encrypts the db. I only need to remember > it's password. > > The down side of this, is that I can't truely go moble (unless I use a > laptop with the program and db installed) and do things like log into all > the sites that require > it. :) But I can live with that. > > I just hate the fact that I have to have so many. I probably only need 10 > of them. > > John > > > ------------------------------ > > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > > 65 Rambler Classic > > > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > > > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > > In God We Trust > > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > -- > We support Habitat for Humanity, a hand UP, not a hand OUT > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterwmurray at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 19:56:23 2022 From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 21:56:23 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers In-Reply-To: <06bb01d88665$5cb00cd0$16102670$@gmail.com> References: <06bb01d88665$5cb00cd0$16102670$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm also a very happy decade-long LastPass user. I can't strongly recommend using something like that enough. I do a moderate amount of shipping for clients, and while I already had purchased (years ago) a used Dymo LabelWriter 400 Turbo (mainly to print address labels and other miscellany), it would only print 2" x 7" labels, which are fine for USPS, but UPS requires 4" x 6" labels. I ended up buying (used, on eBay) a brother QL-1100 label printer, which I've been super happy with. They're not that expensive, and should last quite a long time, even with a good amount of usage. We print all of our Christmas card address labels, I can print stamps, etc. As an aside, getting good UPS/USPS parcel shipping rates can be a hassle if you don't have a lot of volume, but I've found that I can get pretty good rates - for my ad-hoc use - from Pirate Ship (at https://www.pirateship.com/ ). -Peter On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:26 PM wrote: > Tim ? I don?t know whether the printer was spying on you, but it sounds > like HP wants to have the printer connected to stop you from using non-HP > ink. If so, that might be enough for me to say I?ll look for something else! > > > > FWIW, I did find a link to the page on HP?s site to download drivers for > the printer [your original request]: > https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-laserjet-m109e-m112e-printer-series/34687926/model/35334170 > > > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > > > Al Fuller > > > > *From:* Shop-talk *On Behalf Of *Tim . > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:56 AM > *To:* Shop Talk > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > > > > Thanks everyone. > > > > Moose's first reply was, in part, what I had been thinking. The rest of > the security issue replies cemented the return. > > > > My printed (and frelling HP) do not need access to my contacts, etc. > > > > PITA spying printer is boxed with (free) shipping label and going away > tomorrow. > > > > Thanks again all > > tim > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . < > tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 21, 2022 4:26 PM > *To:* Shop Talk > *Subject:* [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers > > > > Sorry for the off topic but I know there are many computer experts out > there. > > > > I bought this printer so I would have a "simple" B&W laser jet for > shipping labels. > > > > When I bought it I missed that is has to stay connected to the web even > after set up and subsequent printing through the USB cable. > > > > I am hoping I can install the drivers for this thing without the need for > constant web access by the machine. > > > > Any one have any thoughts on how I can do this? (near as I can tell, the > HP web site won't allow just downloading the drivers. It want access to my > network on the very first step.) > > > > thanks > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: