[Shop-talk] shop internet
Brian Kemp
bk13 at earthlink.net
Wed Apr 13 18:15:28 MDT 2022
If you do end up going with cat-5e, I used this crimper with great
results when I installed a set of POE security cameras. Comes with a
tester to verify the cable. I had some runs longer than the premade
cables and bought a box of 500' cat-5e cable. Wow have cable prices
jumped in the last year. I thought I paid about $30 for the cable at
Home Depot and now it is $72. It is pretty easy to make your own cables
if you pull the wire.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078S55WML/
On 4/12/2022 7:47 PM, john niolon wrote:
> peter...// I want enough to search the net, watch a video on
> YouTube...just general access... no streaming or heavy
> downloads/uploads... I got dial up speeds now
> and some of these suggestions are way above my budget for garage
> access... I just thought powerline might be a reasonably cheap
> alternative to cat-5
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Peter Murray <peterwmurray at gmail.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop-Talk List
> <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 4/11/2022 9:40:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> John-
>
> How much bandwidth do you want in your shop?
>
> I have used network-over-powerline adapters for quite a while now,
> and have had good success with them. I have an outbuilding/home
> office about 200' from my house, and those adapters provided a
> very serviceable connection between the outbuilding and the house
> (about 25Mbit). As others have pointed out, you'll have best luck
> with them with them both operating on the same hot leg of your
> 240V split-phase power. It can be hit or miss, but a pair of
> "2000Mbit" units isn't terribly expensive. I wouldn't be surprised
> in the least if you find they work just fine for you. I would
> connect one of them to an available LAN ethernet ports (likely on
> your router) and the other (in the shop) in a convenient outlet.
> You can get versions that have built in PoE (for an access point,
> perhaps), or you can adapt another router/AP to simply provide
> wifi in the shop. There are also network-over-power/AP combo units
> as well. Don't forget that the network-over-powerline units don't
> operate in pairs - you can place several wherever you need them,
> and they'll act like additional ethernet ports. I like the TP-Link
> gear, and units with a pass-through power port and a couple of
> ports are wicked handy.
>
> In my situation, I do have clear line of sight and have "upgraded"
> from the network-over-power units to a Ubiquiti mesh link, which
> yields about 150-200Mbit of actual throughput. If you are truly
> only 300' from one building to the other, I think you'll not have
> any trouble linking the two locations using 5GHz wireless. The
> trees will attenuate, but you can focus the power available to
> increase your link budget and "burn through" the vegetation. I'd
> look at a pair of Ubiquiti LiteBeam Gen2 units (pretty cheap on
> Amazon
> <https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-LBE-5AC-GEN2-US-LiteBeam-Wireless-Bridge/dp/B06Y2JH7PV?th=1>)
> - they'll get you somewhere around 250-300Mbit of throughput with
> 80MHz channel usage. Narrower channel usage will yield better
> reliability if that balance needs to be struck. They have about a
> 12 degree beamwidth, so they're pretty forgiving with your aim,
> but the available power is focused where you want it.
>
> When I installed 60A/240V service in my tiny outbuilding, I had
> the service run in plastic conduit - but - for reasons that escape
> me right now - didn't run any fiber. I regret that, and intend to
> order a pre-made 6-strand OS3 fiber cable and pull it through this
> summer. I'll light it up at 1Gbit (for the moment). With LC
> connectors on each end of the fiber, the ethernet switches and
> mini-GBIC units needed to turn it into conventional copper
> ethernet are cheap, and I don't worry about my ham radio RF or
> lightning strikes acting on a big copper ethernet line like an
> antenna. LANShack is who I'm looking at for the fiber, by the way.
>
> If you're not averse to running a copper cable, 330' is your
> ethernet maximum (100m). If you go that route, I'd go with Cat6,
> and I'd put it in flexible conduit, guessing that you don't
> already have conduit in place. You don't really even need to worry
> about putting it below the frost line - goodness knows that Cox
> (our local coax cable company) and Verizon FiOS don't. That said,
> I would suggest calling your local utility marking outfit before
> you dig.
>
> Happy to talk further!
>
> -Peter (independent IT guy, radio amateur)
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:02 PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get some 'reliable' internet service to my
> unattached shop building... just a shade too far for cable
> access (just under 300 feet of cable) and too many obstacles
> for wireless
> \even with an extender... looking at powerline units... two
> boxes...modem plugs into one and it plugs into 120 v
> plug...other box plugs into any other plug on same
> breaker box and the laptop plugs into it with cat-5-cable..
> anyone have any experienced with this type service ??
> example:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/275159414599?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D238115%26meid%3D9d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D265638365047%26itm%3D275159414599%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFeeWithCompV3Ranker%26brand%3DNETGEAR&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A2751594145999d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAABAMwaiCkD4Jz%252FAA1ytZhxVAzuCsqdmLW9ojO6k7lKEs76vKeVo8baO64duoLIjpcgMP90FFiVgMKbdjh7IgvEI%252BQJgW4gEnxkDA5yYEh7wlEj%252FSuKUyH0RJbKQh7dzMgt%252BJRsfe1bI7Jq%252BzI1fyQLcD4HuL%252FMQUHFh10KutrC3t3VJZoR0sVMt6IDKUo7JSyE07Tq52Ka8iPzC9czJ30Nj43ezZTHfxDa3MVT0chETDN2ahqtYKn1MU6wPLlb5sYl6h8pA6VP72FCgmJMYEVr0A8gmzhmomEh75XqFQfAefFiX4hPo%252BiZmySE8%252Bh4nUWX3cDN7k4ixdEcXiYyvMaWhsA%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=1186426581
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275159414599?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D238115%26meid%3D9d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D265638365047%26itm%3D275159414599%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFeeWithCompV3Ranker%26brand%3DNETGEAR&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A2751594145999d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAABAMwaiCkD4Jz%252FAA1ytZhxVAzuCsqdmLW9ojO6k7lKEs76vKeVo8baO64duoLIjpcgMP90FFiVgMKbdjh7IgvEI%252BQJgW4gEnxkDA5yYEh7wlEj%252FSuKUyH0RJbKQh7dzMgt%252BJRsfe1bI7Jq%252BzI1fyQLcD4HuL%252FMQUHFh10KutrC3t3VJZoR0sVMt6IDKUo7JSyE07Tq52Ka8iPzC9czJ30Nj43ezZTHfxDa3MVT0chETDN2ahqtYKn1MU6wPLlb5sYl6h8pA6VP72FCgmJMYEVr0A8gmzhmomEh75XqFQfAefFiX4hPo%252BiZmySE8%252Bh4nUWX3cDN7k4ixdEcXiYyvMaWhsA%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=1186426581>
> thanks
> john
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