From jamesf at groupwbench.org Tue Sep 1 04:17:36 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 06:17:36 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Scale model car enthusiasts forum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50F2F940-D328-4D02-8322-4FF489CAB020@groupwbench.org> Yes, the ones you glue together. Mostly hot rods and custom things like Big Daddy Roth. I've been rebuilding the collection since my mom threw mine out the day I left for college, and realized when I finally started to build them that my patience is worse than when I was 6 :-) > On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > Scale automobile models? I know a guy I can ask. > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 5:56 PM Jim Franklin > wrote: > It seems there'd be a few people here who like building plastic models. I'm selling my collection and was looking for an enthusiast's forum where I could list them. The most promising, the model cars magazine forum, doesn't allow buy/sell. Is there a good community board out there? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Sep 1 05:28:56 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Scale model car enthusiasts forum? In-Reply-To: <50F2F940-D328-4D02-8322-4FF489CAB020@groupwbench.org> References: <50F2F940-D328-4D02-8322-4FF489CAB020@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <2090194754.1041530.1598959736507@mail.yahoo.com> Aren't they worth more in the unopened box? If you're like me your close-up vision was better and your hands less shaky when you were six.? ;-) (I didn't drink near as much coffee when I was six) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jim Franklin To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 5:17 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Scale model car enthusiasts forum? Yes, the ones you glue together. Mostly hot rods and custom things like Big Daddy Roth. I've been rebuilding the collection since my mom threw mine out the day I left for college, and realized when I finally started to build them that my patience is worse than when I was 6 :-) On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: Scale automobile models?? I know a guy I can ask. On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 5:56 PM Jim Franklin wrote: It seems there'd be a few people here who like building plastic models. I'm selling my collection and was looking for an enthusiast's forum where I could list them. The most promising, the model cars magazine forum, doesn't allow buy/sell. Is there a good community board out there? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Tue Sep 1 05:41:44 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:41:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Scale model car enthusiasts forum? In-Reply-To: <2090194754.1041530.1598959736507@mail.yahoo.com> References: <50F2F940-D328-4D02-8322-4FF489CAB020@groupwbench.org> <2090194754.1041530.1598959736507@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, quite a bit more, but most of what I have was bought at shows and were previously opened. I do have a few sealed ones. And yea, the inability to install an ignition distributor has shafted from "glue on the tweezers" to "knocked it off again" and "where the heck is the hole?" :-) Also, nostalgia had far less of an impact on my wallet at 6... jim > On Sep 1, 2020, at 7:28 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Aren't they worth more in the unopened box? > > If you're like me your close-up vision was better and your hands less shaky when you were six. ;-) > > (I didn't drink near as much coffee when I was six) > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Franklin > To: Jeff Scarbrough > Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 5:17 am > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Scale model car enthusiasts forum? > > Yes, the ones you glue together. Mostly hot rods and custom things like Big Daddy Roth. I've been rebuilding the collection since my mom threw mine out the day I left for college, and realized when I finally started to build them that my patience is worse than when I was 6 :-) > >> On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Jeff Scarbrough > wrote: >> >> Scale automobile models? I know a guy I can ask. >> >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 5:56 PM Jim Franklin > wrote: >> It seems there'd be a few people here who like building plastic models. I'm selling my collection and was looking for an enthusiast's forum where I could list them. The most promising, the model cars magazine forum, doesn't allow buy/sell. Is there a good community board out there? >> >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Wed Sep 2 18:06:00 2020 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 00:06:00 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] SSS Restorers Message-ID: Anyone here used this company? I am getting some decent quotes with shipping costs, both ways, included. thanks tim (update on the toilet issue coming soon...once I sober up...ha) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Sat Sep 5 06:36:40 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 08:36:40 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels Message-ID: So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just want to tape. Thanks. BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. Just wondering. Thanks. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Sep 5 07:12:02 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 09:12:02 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Sep 5, 2020, at 8:36 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? I have not seen this, but I have seen racers recommend foil HVAC duct tape to place over the weights once they're on. > > BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. That's how I've seen it done. You need to guess, test, repeat, because you can't "see" how much is needed. You will also never get the weights correctly placed for high speed, you need a machine for that since it can calculate inboard vs outboard placement. It all depends how accurate you want it. jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jniolon at att.net Sat Sep 5 07:22:54 2020 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 08:22:54 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] balancing trailer wheels References: <1UWGGGBS4j.1BkKixakLWK.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UWGGGBS4j.1BkKixakLWK@johns-desktop> I won't hi-jack Eric's post but it reminded me of something... last time I used my car hauler I noticed a vibration like a wheel out of balance. It's not there without the trailer and now I'm wondering if it's in the trailer wheel and why now and not since I mounted them months ago. I checked the wheel bearings for wear and all is ok there... should I get the trailer wheels balanced ?:?" john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjcora at icloud.com Sat Sep 5 08:18:08 2020 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 10:18:08 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0859B93E-3BA1-4096-A518-34581B576151@icloud.com> I?d check my local hardware store or (gag) one of the big box stores. There?s lots of tapes out there. 3m.com would also be a good resource, I?d say. ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On 05 Sep 2020, at 8:36 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? > > It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) > > All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just want to tape. > > Thanks. > > BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. > > Just wondering. > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > From tjcora at icloud.com Sat Sep 5 08:19:40 2020 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 10:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] balancing trailer wheels In-Reply-To: <1UWGGGBS4j.1BkKixakLWK@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGGGBS4j.1BkKixakLWK.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWGGGBS4j.1BkKixakLWK@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <6CDE357E-1E74-4022-A48B-45FAB9FAEA53@icloud.com> Could be a balance weight was lost, or you have a tire out of round. Inflation OK on them? ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On 05 Sep 2020, at 9:22 AM, john niolon wrote: > > I won't hi-jack Eric's post but it reminded me of something... last time I used my car hauler I noticed a vibration like a wheel out of balance. > It's not there without the trailer and now I'm wondering if it's in the trailer wheel and why now and not since I mounted them months ago. > > I checked the wheel bearings for wear and all is ok there... should I get the trailer wheels balanced ?:?" > > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com From fishplate at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 19:24:12 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 21:24:12 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two thoughts: I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M? You can find it in all the usual places. I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be mounted next to the valve stem. That was supposed to minimize the amount of additional weight that needed to be applied. It's been 40 years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM wrote: > So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I > just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I > have to remove each time? > > It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't > find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good > stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) > > All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just > want to tape. > > Thanks. > > BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a > bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights > 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each > tire. > > Just wondering. > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sat Sep 5 23:12:17 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 22:12:17 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a5600ef-1751-dfca-53c9-1a5443fdf83d@comcast.net> Why not call a tire shop and ask what they use? I can't believe they don't re-use weights on occasion. On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Two thoughts: > > I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M?? You can find it in all > the usual places. > > I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar > indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be > mounted next to the valve stem.? That was supposed to minimize the > amount of additional weight that needed to be applied.? It's been 40 > years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM > wrote: > > So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering.? > Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on > wheel weights I have to remove each time? > > It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I > can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to > be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) > > All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but > I just want to tape. > > Thanks. > > BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires?? I've > watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to > balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what > seems like a lot of weight for each tire. > > Just wondering. > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Sun Sep 6 05:03:49 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 07:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff writes... >I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp that indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be mounted next to the valve stem Yes, there is a yellow dot on the tire that is supposed to go with the stem. So, here is what I did. I took the 4 tires and went to a buddy mechanic of mine. He balanced all 4 tires on his $12 Snap on machine with a bunch of upgrades. I then took the tires home and put them on my machine. I ran them all in different modes and found that I need to use the 'steel' wheel setting, and it will be right on. (even though these are Al rims.) So the next set of tires I'll try this out on. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jibrooks at live.com Sun Sep 6 07:15:21 2020 From: jibrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 13:15:21 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: <7a5600ef-1751-dfca-53c9-1a5443fdf83d@comcast.net> References: , <7a5600ef-1751-dfca-53c9-1a5443fdf83d@comcast.net> Message-ID: Tires often have two dots, one for the heavy spot and one for the high spot. Jack ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Bob Spidell Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 10:12:17 PM To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels Why not call a tire shop and ask what they use? I can't believe they don't re-use weights on occasion. On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: Two thoughts: I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M? You can find it in all the usual places. I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be mounted next to the valve stem. That was supposed to minimize the amount of additional weight that needed to be applied. It's been 40 years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM > wrote: So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just want to tape. Thanks. BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. Just wondering. Thanks. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org Sun Sep 6 09:12:27 2020 From: shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org (Ian McFetridge) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 11:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Eric, Have you tried 3M automotive tape? It?s very sticky, heat resistant (e.g., hold hot trim in the sun) and it is not prone to separating (like layers of foam tape). I have a role here if you are interested in trying it. I?m in New Hope, not far from you. 3M Super Strength Molding Tape, 03609, 1/2 in x 5 ft https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BO913C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_xVpvFbHA3C6GC Best, Ian On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:36 AM wrote: > So I been balancing wheels for a while > > now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to > > reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? > > > > > > It seems like a no brainier to be able > > to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm > > guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, > > dirt, etc.) > > > > > > All my searches come up with the weights > > already on the tape, but I just want to tape. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > BTW, does anyone have any tips on how > > to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems > > that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting > > on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. > > > > > > Just wondering. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > > Waldo Emerson > > > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sun Sep 6 09:19:07 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 10:19:07 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D94A0AF-758A-44AE-832C-C6BC12D2011C@icloud.com> I used 3M VHB tape. The only thing i found that it didn?t work for was sticking a gps unit to a dash. Probably because of the protectants. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: ? Hi Eric, Have you tried 3M automotive tape? It?s very sticky, heat resistant (e.g., hold hot trim in the sun) and it is not prone to separating (like layers of foam tape). I have a role here if you are interested in trying it. I?m in New Hope, not far from you. 3M Super Strength Molding Tape, 03609, 1/2 in x 5 ft https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BO913C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_xVpvFbHA3C6GC Best, Ian > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:36 AM wrote: > So I been balancing wheels for a while > > now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to > > reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? > > > > > > It seems like a no brainier to be able > > to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm > > guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, > > dirt, etc.) > > > > > > All my searches come up with the weights > > already on the tape, but I just want to tape. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > BTW, does anyone have any tips on how > > to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems > > that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting > > on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. > > > > > > Just wondering. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > > Waldo Emerson > > > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org > > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjcora at icloud.com Sun Sep 6 10:42:43 2020 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 12:42:43 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: <7a5600ef-1751-dfca-53c9-1a5443fdf83d@comcast.net> References: <7a5600ef-1751-dfca-53c9-1a5443fdf83d@comcast.net> Message-ID: I won?t bore you all with how long ago I was in the business, but we never reused balance weights. They all went straight into the scrap bucket. I no longer change tires, except for motorcycle and lawnmower/snowblower types, but the local shop who takes care of the tires on our 4-wheeled vehicles does the same to this day. Time is money and balance weights are cheap. ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On 06 Sep 2020, at 1:12 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > Why not call a tire shop and ask what they use? I can't believe they don't re-use weights on occasion. > > On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >> Two thoughts: >> >> I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M? You can find it in all the usual places. >> >> I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be mounted next to the valve stem. That was supposed to minimize the amount of additional weight that needed to be applied. It's been 40 years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. >> >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM wrote: >> So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? >> >> It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) >> >> All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just want to tape. >> >> Thanks. >> >> BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. >> >> Just wondering. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > From bspidell at comcast.net Sun Sep 6 10:57:07 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 09:57:07 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: <7a5600ef-1751-dfca-53c9-1a5443fdf83d@comcast.net> Message-ID: <27370b94-2d52-f544-34ab-7925e67ab190@comcast.net> Even the old lead 'clip-on' type?? Seems like a waste of lead. On 9/6/2020 9:42 AM, Tom Coradeschi wrote: > I won?t bore you all with how long ago I was in the business, but we never reused balance weights. They all went straight into the scrap bucket. > > I no longer change tires, except for motorcycle and lawnmower/snowblower types, but the local shop who takes care of the tires on our 4-wheeled vehicles does the same to this day. > > Time is money and balance weights are cheap. > > ? > Tom Coradeschi > tjcora at icloud.com > > >> On 06 Sep 2020, at 1:12 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: >> >> Why not call a tire shop and ask what they use? I can't believe they don't re-use weights on occasion. >> >> On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >>> Two thoughts: >>> >>> I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M? You can find it in all the usual places. >>> >>> I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be mounted next to the valve stem. That was supposed to minimize the amount of additional weight that needed to be applied. It's been 40 years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM wrote: >>> So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? >>> >>> It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) >>> >>> All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just want to tape. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. >>> >>> Just wondering. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson >>> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >>> From tjcora at icloud.com Sun Sep 6 11:00:12 2020 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 13:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: <27370b94-2d52-f544-34ab-7925e67ab190@comcast.net> References: <27370b94-2d52-f544-34ab-7925e67ab190@comcast.net> Message-ID: <99C479C6-E9A4-4642-B82A-B91236CC87AD@icloud.com> Yup. The contents of the buckets went to a recycler. Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Sep 6, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ?Even the old lead 'clip-on' type? Seems like a waste of lead. > >> On 9/6/2020 9:42 AM, Tom Coradeschi wrote: >> I won?t bore you all with how long ago I was in the business, but we never reused balance weights. They all went straight into the scrap bucket. >> >> I no longer change tires, except for motorcycle and lawnmower/snowblower types, but the local shop who takes care of the tires on our 4-wheeled vehicles does the same to this day. >> >> Time is money and balance weights are cheap. >> >> ? >> Tom Coradeschi >> tjcora at icloud.com >> >> >>>> On 06 Sep 2020, at 1:12 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: >>> >>> Why not call a tire shop and ask what they use? I can't believe they don't re-use weights on occasion. >>> >>> On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >>>> Two thoughts: >>>> >>>> I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M? You can find it in all the usual places. >>>> >>>> I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be mounted next to the valve stem. That was supposed to minimize the amount of additional weight that needed to be applied. It's been 40 years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM wrote: >>>> So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? >>>> >>>> It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) >>>> >>>> All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just want to tape. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. >>>> >>>> Just wondering. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson >>>> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > From bk13 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 6 15:49:12 2020 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 14:49:12 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420813ae-2fac-4e90-675d-abafba36091d@earthlink.net> New tires have had a dot indicating where the tire should line up close to the valve stem.? I got new tires for my new to me GT6 and thought they used a lot of weight - a 4" long one near a 2" long one.? Wondered if my rims might be bad.? Commented to a club member and they pointed out that my tires were mostly mounted about 180 deg off based on the tire marking vs. the valve stem.? Went back and talked to a manager and he said sometimes tires can take that much weight - not a problem with the big SUVs every drives these days. Told him they were little 13" tires and he came out and looked at the car.? He had an experienced person adjust and rebalance the tires and the longest weight was then under 2". Brian On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Two thoughts: > > I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M?? You can find it in all > the usual places. > > I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar > indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be > mounted next to the valve stem.? That was supposed to minimize the > amount of additional weight that needed to be applied.? It's been 40 > years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM > wrote: > > So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering.? > Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on > wheel weights I have to remove each time? > > It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I > can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to > be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) > > All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but > I just want to tape. > > Thanks. > > BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires?? I've > watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to > balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what > seems like a lot of weight for each tire. > > Just wondering. > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." 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URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 16:17:53 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:17:53 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: <420813ae-2fac-4e90-675d-abafba36091d@earthlink.net> References: <420813ae-2fac-4e90-675d-abafba36091d@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What I have found true for motorcycle wheels is that the valve stem in fact often is not the heaviest segment of the wheel. I now balance my wheels first without a tire and spray paint inside the rim the heaviest point, and then align the yellow dot to that spot. You only need to do the wheel balance once (the wheel balance should not change over time) and it has reduced the amount of weight necessary for the balance job. best, doug On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 2:49 PM Brian Kemp wrote: > New tires have had a dot indicating where the tire should line up close to > the valve stem. I got new tires for my new to me GT6 and thought they used > a lot of weight - a 4" long one near a 2" long one. Wondered if my rims > might be bad. Commented to a club member and they pointed out that my > tires were mostly mounted about 180 deg off based on the tire marking vs. > the valve stem. Went back and talked to a manager and he said sometimes > tires can take that much weight - not a problem with the big SUVs every > drives these days. Told him they were little 13" tires and he came out and > looked at the car. He had an experienced person adjust and rebalance the > tires and the longest weight was then under 2". > > Brian > > On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > Two thoughts: > > I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M? You can find it in all the > usual places. > > I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar > indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be > mounted next to the valve stem. That was supposed to minimize the amount > of additional weight that needed to be applied. It's been 40 years since I > balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM wrote: > >> So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I >> just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I >> have to remove each time? >> >> It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't >> find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good >> stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) >> >> All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just >> want to tape. >> >> Thanks. >> >> BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a >> bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights >> 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each >> tire. >> >> Just wondering. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjcora at icloud.com Mon Sep 7 11:18:08 2020 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Tom Coradeschi) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 13:18:08 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: References: <420813ae-2fac-4e90-675d-abafba36091d@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3DDB6C35-0CEF-4408-9435-D4D3D6BBF4E9@icloud.com> That?s a great idea! ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On 06 Sep 2020, at 6:17 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > What I have found true for motorcycle wheels is that the valve stem in fact often is not the heaviest segment of the wheel. I now balance my wheels first without a tire and spray paint inside the rim the heaviest point, and then align the yellow dot to that spot. > > You only need to do the wheel balance once (the wheel balance should not change over time) and it has reduced the amount of weight necessary for the balance job. > > best, > > doug > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 2:49 PM Brian Kemp wrote: > New tires have had a dot indicating where the tire should line up close to the valve stem. I got new tires for my new to me GT6 and thought they used a lot of weight - a 4" long one near a 2" long one. Wondered if my rims might be bad. Commented to a club member and they pointed out that my tires were mostly mounted about 180 deg off based on the tire marking vs. the valve stem. Went back and talked to a manager and he said sometimes tires can take that much weight - not a problem with the big SUVs every drives these days. Told him they were little 13" tires and he came out and looked at the car. He had an experienced person adjust and rebalance the tires and the longest weight was then under 2". > > Brian > > On 9/5/2020 6:24 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >> Two thoughts: >> >> I have some really good foam tape - maybe 3M? You can find it in all the usual places. >> >> I was always under the impression that new tires had a stamp thar indicated either the heavy spot or the light spot - it was meant to be mounted next to the valve stem. That was supposed to minimize the amount of additional weight that needed to be applied. It's been 40 years since I balanced a tire, though - things may have changed. >> >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:37 AM wrote: >> So I been balancing wheels for a while now and I was wondering. Can I just buy the double sided tape to reuse all the stick on wheel weights I have to remove each time? >> >> It seems like a no brainier to be able to reuse the weights, but I can't find a double sided tape for that. (I'm guessing it needs to be pretty good stuff to resist bumps, water, ice, dirt, etc.) >> >> All my searches come up with the weights already on the tape, but I just want to tape. >> >> Thanks. >> >> BTW, does anyone have any tips on how to balance tires? I've watched a bunch of videos, but it always seems that I need to balance and add weights 5 or 6 times and end up putting on what seems like a lot of weight for each tire. >> >> Just wondering. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Sep 7 11:46:03 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:46:03 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Airgun pellets Message-ID: <40b268d1-d790-652b-2152-88d4fa38d42a@comcast.net> I suspect there's some lists dedicated to this subject, but I figure there's gotta be some enthusiasts on this list and I don't want to join any more. Anyway, I bought a high-powered break-barrel airgun (Gamo Whisper Fusion Mach 1 IGT) to sharpen my aim--the closest live-fire range is 45min away--and have a little fun around home (my mom lives on a 20-acre almond ranch so I have plenty of space). I've been shooting Gamo per their admonition, but wanted to try some other brands, but every site that claims to have them is sold out! Anybody know why there's a .177 pellet drought? I know there's a firearms ammo shortage due to panic buying, but air pellets?! I noticed a lot of the quality pellets--and some of the guns--come from Germany, is there some sort of embargo? TIA, Bob From jdinnis at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 11:59:00 2020 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 12:59:00 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Airgun pellets In-Reply-To: <40b268d1-d790-652b-2152-88d4fa38d42a@comcast.net> References: <40b268d1-d790-652b-2152-88d4fa38d42a@comcast.net> Message-ID: Midway USA has Norma and Eley pellets in stock. I have had good luck with both brands. I mostly use the airguns for target shooting, so I normally just buy wadcutters, but they have some hunting pellets in stock too. https://www.midwayusa.com/s?categoryId=22953&userItemsPerPage=48&persistedItemsPerPage=0 On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 12:46 PM Bob Spidell wrote: > I suspect there's some lists dedicated to this subject, but I figure > there's gotta be some enthusiasts on this list and I don't want to join > any more. Anyway, I bought a high-powered break-barrel airgun (Gamo > Whisper Fusion Mach 1 IGT) to sharpen my aim--the closest live-fire > range is 45min away--and have a little fun around home (my mom lives on > a 20-acre almond ranch so I have plenty of space). I've been shooting > Gamo per their admonition, but wanted to try some other brands, but > every site that claims to have them is sold out! Anybody know why > there's a .177 pellet drought? I know there's a firearms ammo shortage > due to panic buying, but air pellets?! I noticed a lot of the quality > pellets--and some of the guns--come from Germany, is there some sort of > embargo? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Sep 7 12:14:09 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 11:14:09 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Airgun pellets In-Reply-To: References: <40b268d1-d790-652b-2152-88d4fa38d42a@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. RWS Hypermax gets good reviews and I'd like to try them, but will consider these. On 9/7/2020 10:59 AM, John Innis wrote: > Midway USA has Norma and Eley pellets in stock.? I have had good luck > with both brands.? I mostly use the airguns for target shooting, so I > normally just buy wadcutters, but they have some hunting pellets in > stock too. > https://www.midwayusa.com/s?categoryId=22953&userItemsPerPage=48&persistedItemsPerPage=0 > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 12:46 PM Bob Spidell > wrote: > > I suspect there's some lists dedicated to this subject, but I figure > there's gotta be some enthusiasts on this list and I don't want to > join > any more. Anyway, I bought a high-powered break-barrel airgun (Gamo > Whisper Fusion Mach 1 IGT) to sharpen my aim--the closest live-fire > range is 45min away--and have a little fun around home (my mom > lives on > a 20-acre almond ranch so I have plenty of space). I've been shooting > Gamo per their admonition, but wanted to try some other brands, but > every site that claims to have them is sold out! Anybody know why > there's a .177 pellet drought? I know there's a firearms ammo > shortage > due to panic buying, but air pellets?! I noticed a lot of the quality > pellets--and some of the guns--come from Germany, is there some > sort of > embargo? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you?? = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown? = > ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JIBrooks at live.com Mon Sep 7 14:38:04 2020 From: JIBrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:38:04 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels In-Reply-To: <27370b94-2d52-f544-34ab-7925e67ab190@comcast.net> References: <7a5600ef-1751-dfca-53c9-1a5443fdf83d@comcast.net> <27370b94-2d52-f544-34ab-7925e67ab190@comcast.net> Message-ID: A lot or ammunition reloaders cast their own bullets from scrap tire weights, if they can catch them before they go to the recycler. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 9:57 AM To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Balancing wheels Even the old lead 'clip-on' type?? Seems like a waste of lead. From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 05:02:14 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 07:02:14 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding helmet Message-ID: So, I don't weld that much - 3 or 4 times a year, just cobbling stuff together, mostly. I had an auto-darkening helmet from HF that seemed to work OK, until it didn't any more. So, time to buy a new one. I can get something similar on Amazon for $35, a similar Miller helmet for $90, or a fancy one for $300 to $600. They all seem to have similar percentages of reviews. I'm cheap, but I only have two eyes. My other choice is to use the opera glass that came with my cheap welder, or use a flip-down helmet like I did when I learned how to weld oh so many years ago. Any recommendations for the occasional welder? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My other choice is to use the opera glass that came with my cheap welder, or use a flip-down helmet like I did when I learned how to weld oh so many years ago. > > Any recommendations for the occasional welder? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell at comcast.net > From eric at megageek.com Wed Sep 9 10:22:11 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:22:11 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Weird "Drive Over" problem. Message-ID: OK, this is a weird question, but maybe someone has an answer. It is only remotely shop related, so I'm sorry if this misses the mark. OK, I'm going to be putting a walkway across my yard using this... https://www.lowes.com/pd/QUIKRETE-WalkMaker-Country-Stone-Pattern-Concrete-Mold/3006097 What I plan on doing, is digging up the sod, putting down a bed of millings (maybe 3-5" thick) then the pavers (tamp of course). I will try to get the pavers just proud of the surrounding ground. here is the question, this is a part of the yard that I have to drive over with a larger tractor and trucks occasionally. I was thinking to make that section a little differently, but I'm not sure just how. Should I make a 'fake bridge' or a boardwalk section that I can drive over? Or, will these stones hold up? If so, what mortar/cement mix should I use to make this work? Thanks! "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? From jamesf at groupwbench.org Wed Sep 9 10:09:50 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Retail pricing of lumber? Message-ID: <70E3BC9D-0E47-4A8B-94B5-D3CA4A1F6931@groupwbench.org> Treated decking lumber has gone up another 50% in the past few weeks. Does retail pricing follow the cost of the inventory when it was purchased, or is it based on the cost of inventory if it were purchased today? If I wait until January when (theoretically) fewer people are building decks and teh wholesale price (theoretically) comes down, will my cost be based on the January wholesale price, or on the September wholesale price? I have been priced out of finishing my deck so I'm spending my time thinking instead of building. jim From eric at megageek.com Wed Sep 9 12:47:17 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:47:17 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding helmet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, I bought this one earlier this year.... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PZ9LSNL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I did lots of research and reviews. It is AWESOME!!!! I forget I'm wearing it even. For the price, you can't go wrong. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Sep 9 12:50:41 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 13:50:41 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Weird "Drive Over" problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E21216E-8B07-4DA8-98EF-EDBC179FA1F2@icloud.com> I have a similar spot on the walkway to my shop. I have several inches of tamped decomposed granite for the walkway. I put down road base on either side of the walkway where i would be driving over. It is low & I let the grass grow up over it. I haven't had any problems with it in about 6 years. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:43 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: ? OK, this is a weird question, but maybe someone has an answer. It is only remotely shop related, so I'm sorry if this misses the mark. OK, I'm going to be putting a walkway across my yard using this... https://www.lowes.com/pd/QUIKRETE-WalkMaker-Country-Stone-Pattern-Concrete-Mold/3006097 What I plan on doing, is digging up the sod, putting down a bed of millings (maybe 3-5" thick) then the pavers (tamp of course). I will try to get the pavers just proud of the surrounding ground. here is the question, this is a part of the yard that I have to drive over with a larger tractor and trucks occasionally. I was thinking to make that section a little differently, but I'm not sure just how. Should I make a 'fake bridge' or a boardwalk section that I can drive over? Or, will these stones hold up? If so, what mortar/cement mix should I use to make this work? Thanks! "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From dhlocker at comcast.net Wed Sep 9 12:58:38 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding helmet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <310cde48-9b1c-0f33-40b9-bfedddc7a876@comcast.net> Or you can buy from yeswelder direct and give them the profit. https://yeswelder.com/products/auto-darkening-welding-helmet-m800hp Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-09 2:47 p.m., eric at megageek.com wrote: > Jeff, > > I bought this one earlier this year.... > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PZ9LSNL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > > I did lots of research and reviews. ?It is AWESOME!!!! > > I forget I'm wearing it even. > > For the price, you can't go wrong. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > From shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org Wed Sep 9 13:15:55 2020 From: shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org (Ian McFetridge) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:15:55 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Retail pricing of lumber? In-Reply-To: <70E3BC9D-0E47-4A8B-94B5-D3CA4A1F6931@groupwbench.org> References: <70E3BC9D-0E47-4A8B-94B5-D3CA4A1F6931@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Unfortunately, it's a bit like gasoline (fast to raise prices, but slow to lower them). From my experience, the lumberyard raises prices when they see their ordering costs increase (like the gas station raising prices between refills, not just when they get a new tanker). I was a derivatives trader and my old colleagues are calling this a crazy increase in lumber prices that they do not expect to stay this way through the winter. I would watch the price and then call around as you see it coming down. You can watch the lumber prices here: (look at the front contract (Sep now). https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/agricultural/lumber-and-pulp/random-length-lumber.html Best, Ian On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:47 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > Treated decking lumber has gone up another 50% in the past few weeks. Does > retail pricing follow the cost of the inventory when it was purchased, or > is it based on the cost of inventory if it were purchased today? If I wait > until January when (theoretically) fewer people are building decks and teh > wholesale price (theoretically) comes down, will my cost be based on the > January wholesale price, or on the September wholesale price? > > I have been priced out of finishing my deck so I'm spending my time > thinking instead of building. > > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lee at automate-it.com Wed Sep 9 13:51:13 2020 From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <23da603d901213f3871de36cece6665a.squirrel@automate-it.com> References: <23da603d901213f3871de36cece6665a.squirrel@automate-it.com> Message-ID: <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! - Lee -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: project.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 103000 bytes Desc: not available URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Sep 9 14:19:36 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> References: <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> Message-ID: <26EDE322-56DB-449C-82CF-7DDEF7C3925E@icloud.com> Depending on the size of the round holes, you can use a hole saw or forstener bit. A standard drill bit won?t give you a good hole but you could always file it out. The rectangular hole will require a bunch of drilled holes & filing. There are nibbler tools available if you go with the metal plate but it will still require filing. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: ?I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! - Lee _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From hillman at planet-torque.com Wed Sep 9 15:39:25 2020 From: hillman at planet-torque.com (David Hillman) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> References: <23da603d901213f3871de36cece6665a.squirrel@automate-it.com> <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, Lee Daniels wrote: > I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This > one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes > in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but > I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a > box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small > rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! For nice wiring ports, drill a hole using a regular bit, and insert an appropriately-sized grommet to both protect the wires and improve the cosmetics. For a rectangle, I would plasma cut it, but that's because I have a CNC plasma table. Fixturing small items like yours is a pain, but it'll cut whatever you need into the metal parts. Barring that option, I would again pull out my drill, and drill small holes in the four corners, then connect those holes with a jigsaw. A fence to ensure the jigsaw travels straight might be useful. It's larger in scale, but I just successfully used this method to cut a trapezoid in the deck of one of my kayaks the other day. -- David Hillman From phoenix722 at comcast.net Wed Sep 9 15:44:07 2020 From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:44:07 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <26EDE322-56DB-449C-82CF-7DDEF7C3925E@icloud.com> References: <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> <26EDE322-56DB-449C-82CF-7DDEF7C3925E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <8a60eb1d-1abb-3a46-b000-d07083ec547b@comcast.net> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBFcCTXZkA On 9/9/2020 1:19 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > Depending on the size of the round holes, you can use a hole saw or forstener bit. A standard drill bit won?t give you a good hole but you could always file it out. > > The rectangular hole will require a bunch of drilled holes & filing. There are nibbler tools available if you go with the metal plate but it will still require filing. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > > ?I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This > one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes > in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but > I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a > box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small > rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! > - Lee > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722 at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at dougbraun.com Wed Sep 9 16:04:54 2020 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:04:54 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> References: <23da603d901213f3871de36cece6665a.squirrel@automate-it.com> <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> Message-ID: Those step drills (Unibit-style) work really well in sheet metal. I have a set of three from HF, and they are very handy. They will do steel, which you would not want to do with a Forstner bit.. Doug On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:52 PM Lee Daniels wrote: > I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box > (This > one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" > holes > in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, > but > I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a > box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one > small > rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! > - Lee_______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhlocker at comcast.net Wed Sep 9 16:06:58 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:06:58 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Retail pricing of lumber? In-Reply-To: References: <70E3BC9D-0E47-4A8B-94B5-D3CA4A1F6931@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <78816285-9156-1a7f-d2f0-bacf62c174c1@comcast.net> My experience is that prices will rise until I make a major purchase. If I wait, the price will rise more. So wait a day or two after I buy something; prices will then drop dramatically and you can score good lumber at great prices! Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-09 3:15 p.m., Ian McFetridge wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Unfortunately, it's a bit like gasoline (fast to raise prices, but slow > to lower them).? From my experience, the lumberyard raises prices when > they see their ordering costs increase (like the gas station raising > prices between refills, not just when they get a new tanker).? I was a > derivatives trader and my old colleagues are calling this a crazy > increase in lumber prices that they do not expect to stay this way > through the winter.? I would watch the price and then call around as you > see it coming down.? You can watch the lumber prices here: (look at the > front contract (Sep now).?? > https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/agricultural/lumber-and-pulp/random-length-lumber.html?? > > Best, > Ian > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:47 PM Jim Franklin > wrote: > > Treated decking lumber has gone up another 50% in the past few > weeks. Does retail pricing follow the cost of the inventory when it > was purchased, or is it based on the cost of inventory if it were > purchased today? If I wait until January when (theoretically) fewer > people are building decks and teh wholesale price (theoretically) > comes down, will my cost be based on the January wholesale price, or > on the September wholesale price? > > I have been priced out of finishing my deck so I'm spending my time > thinking instead of building. > > jim > _______________________________________________ > From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Sep 9 16:10:59 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:10:59 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <8a60eb1d-1abb-3a46-b000-d07083ec547b@comcast.net> References: <8a60eb1d-1abb-3a46-b000-d07083ec547b@comcast.net> Message-ID: Odd that my reply lost all formatting. Reminded me of some of the files i have stored from 30 years ago! Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Mike Sinclair wrote: ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBFcCTXZkA > On 9/9/2020 1:19 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > Depending on the size of the round holes, you can use a hole saw or forstener bit. A standard drill bit won?t give you a good hole but you could always file it out. > > The rectangular hole will require a bunch of drilled holes & filing. There are nibbler tools available if you go with the metal plate but it will still require filing. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > > ?I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This > one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes > in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but > I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a > box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small > rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! > - Lee > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Sep 9 16:12:39 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:12:39 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 for the unibit. Probably your best bet. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 9, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Doug Braun wrote: ? Those step drills (Unibit-style) work really well in sheet metal. I have a set of three from HF, and they are very handy. They will do steel, which you would not want to do with a Forstner bit.. Doug > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:52 PM Lee Daniels wrote: > I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This > one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes > in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but > I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a > box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small > rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! > - Lee_______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Wed Sep 9 17:59:11 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 19:59:11 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Retail pricing of lumber? In-Reply-To: <78816285-9156-1a7f-d2f0-bacf62c174c1@comcast.net> References: <70E3BC9D-0E47-4A8B-94B5-D3CA4A1F6931@groupwbench.org> <78816285-9156-1a7f-d2f0-bacf62c174c1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5CB1C60D-A21F-4FFE-94DE-A2959274DC53@groupwbench.org> :-D I'm hoping the end of season specials on landscaping materials happens this year. Though I need to build quite a few planter boxes, also out of PT. jim ps - keep me in the loop re: your lumber purchases > On Sep 9, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Donald H Locker wrote: > > My experience is that prices will rise until I make a major purchase. If > I wait, the price will rise more. So wait a day or two after I buy > something; prices will then drop dramatically and you can score good > lumber at great prices! > > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ > > > On 2020-09-09 3:15 p.m., Ian McFetridge wrote: >> Hi Jim, >> >> Unfortunately, it's a bit like gasoline (fast to raise prices, but slow >> to lower them). From my experience, the lumberyard raises prices when >> they see their ordering costs increase (like the gas station raising >> prices between refills, not just when they get a new tanker). I was a >> derivatives trader and my old colleagues are calling this a crazy >> increase in lumber prices that they do not expect to stay this way >> through the winter. I would watch the price and then call around as you >> see it coming down. You can watch the lumber prices here: (look at the >> front contract (Sep now). >> https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/agricultural/lumber-and-pulp/random-length-lumber.html >> >> Best, >> Ian >> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:47 PM Jim Franklin > >> wrote: >> >> Treated decking lumber has gone up another 50% in the past few >> weeks. Does retail pricing follow the cost of the inventory when it >> was purchased, or is it based on the cost of inventory if it were >> purchased today? If I wait until January when (theoretically) fewer >> people are building decks and teh wholesale price (theoretically) >> comes down, will my cost be based on the January wholesale price, or >> on the September wholesale price? >> >> I have been priced out of finishing my deck so I'm spending my time >> thinking instead of building. >> >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk13 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 9 20:33:04 2020 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 19:33:04 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> References: <23da603d901213f3871de36cece6665a.squirrel@automate-it.com> <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> Message-ID: <345e52c9-d01d-4995-0b28-b472c2ef8551@earthlink.net> Lee, For the round holes, I'd use a sharp drill bit at medium speed and go slow.? For the cleanest hole, start with a small one about 1/8" and move up in small steps until you get the size you want.? If you have a stepped drill bit like a unibit, it should work great.? One with smaller steps will give the cleanest opening.? Here is a sample: https://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-steel-step-drills-96275.html or with Coupon 18288307 it drops to $13.99 https://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-steel-step-drills-96275.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiMTgyODgzMDciLCJza3UiOiI5NjI3NSIsImlzIjoiMTMuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk%0D%0AIjoiMzQ0NiJ9%0D%0A&cid=newgetcpns090120 For the rectangle hole, if in metal, use a nibbler like https://www.amazon.com/RadioShack-RadioShack%C2%AE-HT-204-Nibbling-Tool/dp/B007Z7PY48/ Drill a round hole first then trim it to size.? I have not tried the nibbler on plastic.? I'd expect it to crack. I've also used a small cutoff wheel in a Dremel at slow speed.? It will cut/melt plastic, so go a little small then clean it up with a file.? Drill small corner holes for the neatest opening. Depending on the wire holes and if things are moving around, you may want to look at a strain relief grommet.? Another option is to use some ring connectors for the incoming wires and screw them to the standoff mounts inside the box then run a connecting wire to the next step so there is no strain on the switch or other components. Good luck, Brian On 9/9/2020 12:51 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This > one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes > in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but > I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a > box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small > rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! > - Lee > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jniolon at att.net Thu Sep 10 16:02:31 2020 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] (no subject) References: <1UWGLoW50C.18EYR34PNtx.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UWGLoW50C.18EYR34PNtx@johns-desktop> anyone have any experience with this jack..... good/bad/dangerous/ I've got a low truck and this might help me get some clearance to get a floor jack under it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OEClassicImg95FCD90A.png Type: image/x-png Size: 73360 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eric at megageek.com Fri Sep 11 07:48:18 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner Message-ID: OK, in the past, many people have helped me find stuff and I'm really appreciative of it. So this time, I'm making it a contest. First prize is a $50 Amazon card (or card of their choice that I can buy online) to the winner AND a $50 donation to the this list in the winner's name. Here is the contest. My mower, a 1978 Hustler Excel 285 has blades that are now 'obsolete.' I went to the dealer and they can't find any in inventory The blade part number is 015657. I have been ordering blades that 'seem' to match, but each have had problems. The blade specs are... -23.8" long- (I can vary the length a little bit +/-) -1/2" center hole -2 3/4" wide -cut turning clockwise. So here are blades that are the right dimension, but they cut the wrong direction... (HUSTLER part #754879) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TAPW4Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I need three of these blades (but I would buy at least 6 if available.) So, if anyone can find blades that match that description and are available for sale, they are the winner. READY... SET... GO! Moose "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parkanzky at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 08:18:37 2020 From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:18:37 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Eric, Is this it? https://www.lonestarmower.com/product/blade-excel-23-78-x-12/ Regards, -Paul On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:49 AM wrote: > > OK, in the past, many people have helped me find stuff and I'm really appreciative of it. So this time, I'm making it a contest. > > First prize is a $50 Amazon card (or card of their choice that I can buy online) to the winner AND a $50 donation to the this list in the winner's name. > > Here is the contest. > > My mower, a 1978 Hustler Excel 285 has blades that are now 'obsolete.' I went to the dealer and they can't find any in inventory The blade part number is 015657. > > I have been ordering blades that 'seem' to match, but each have had problems. The blade specs are... > > -23.8" long- (I can vary the length a little bit +/-) > -1/2" center hole > -2 3/4" wide > -cut turning clockwise. > > So here are blades that are the right dimension, but they cut the wrong direction... (HUSTLER part #754879) > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TAPW4Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > I need three of these blades (but I would buy at least 6 if available.) > > So, if anyone can find blades that match that description and are available for sale, they are the winner. > > READY... > > SET... > > GO! > > Moose > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > From eric at megageek.com Fri Sep 11 08:20:15 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:20:15 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These cut the wrong way. (when the blade spins counter-clockwise) I need them to spin clockwise. But good start! "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? From: Michael Porter To: eric at megageek.com Date: 09/11/2020 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner On 9/11/2020 7:48 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: OK, in the past, many people have helped me find stuff and I'm really appreciative of it. So this time, I'm making it a contest. This looks about right near your specs: https://www.milfordpower.com/R6728-23-875-Hustler-754853-Blade-p/r6728.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Sep 11 08:31:44 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:31:44 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b80f505-4793-36ec-7d45-f0223b50ffba@bradakis.com> Too bad you can't just flip the blades over to make them cut the other direction. Good luck with this quest. mjb. From jibrooks at live.com Fri Sep 11 08:34:53 2020 From: jibrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:34:53 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner In-Reply-To: <6b80f505-4793-36ec-7d45-f0223b50ffba@bradakis.com> References: , <6b80f505-4793-36ec-7d45-f0223b50ffba@bradakis.com> Message-ID: No, but you can flip the cam end for end and make the engine room backwards, like a Honda. Ok, not really, but it was a good try! Jack ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:31:44 AM To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner Too bad you can't just flip the blades over to make them cut the other direction. Good luck with this quest. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks at live.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parkanzky at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 08:34:43 2020 From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:34:43 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you sure? It says "Right Cut," which according to this "The blades on many brands of walk-behind mowers rotate to the right, the clockwise direction, when you are mowing. To remove the blade, you must turn the blade's retaining bolt to the left, or counterclockwise." means that it's "clockwise." I'm definitely not a lawnmower expert... -Paul On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 10:28 AM wrote: > > These cut the wrong way. (when the blade spins counter-clockwise) I need them to spin clockwise. > > But good start! > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > > > > From: Michael Porter > To: eric at megageek.com > Date: 09/11/2020 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner > ________________________________ > > > > On 9/11/2020 7:48 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > OK, in the past, many people have helped me find stuff and I'm really appreciative of it. So this time, I'm making it a contest. > > This looks about right near your specs: > > https://www.milfordpower.com/R6728-23-875-Hustler-754853-Blade-p/r6728.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky at gmail.com > From dirtbeard at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 08:43:40 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:43:40 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1UWGLoW50C.18EYR34PNtx@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGLoW50C.18EYR34PNtx.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWGLoW50C.18EYR34PNtx@johns-desktop> Message-ID: I have not used this jack, but I have these Zendex Rak Jaks that I wholeheartedly recommend: https://shop.zendextool.com/RakJak%E2%84%A2-Air-Bag-Jack_c_23.html Here is a 3rd party video comparing the Rak Jak to an eBay offering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO9-oXuyQy8 These jacks are a little heavy, and do not have the lift of a floor jack, but are so quick and easy to control, I bought mine primarily to use on the lift (cannot get a floor jack up there once it is in the air) but now I use them on the floor, for cars and motorcycles, etc. best, doug On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:03 PM john niolon wrote: > anyone have any experience with this jack..... good/bad/dangerous/ I've > got a low truck and this might help me get some clearance to get a floor > jack under it > > > [image: Image95FCD90A] > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OEClassicImg95FCD90A.png Type: image/png Size: 73360 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dhlocker at comcast.net Fri Sep 11 08:44:12 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:44:12 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner In-Reply-To: References: <6b80f505-4793-36ec-7d45-f0223b50ffba@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Rather than just turning the blades over, turn the engine down-side up and use the CW blades. Good to go! And, yes, good luck with your quest. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-11 10:34 a.m., Jack Brooks wrote: > No, but you can flip the cam end for end and make the engine room > backwards, like a Honda.? > > Ok, not really, but it was a good try! > > Jack > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Mark J > Bradakis > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 7:31:44 AM > *To:* shop-talk at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for > winner > ? > Too bad you can't just flip the blades over to make them cut the other > direction. > > Good luck with this quest. > > mjb. > From eric at megageek.com Fri Sep 11 08:47:37 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:47:37 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, This was my bad. I saw the picture UNDER the description which was a left cut. These are indeed a right cut. So you are the winner! I ordered the blades. Once they come in, I will send you the card (you do want Amazon, right?) Note, if they are not the right ones, I will move to the next possible contestant (Which is Paul P) Thanks! "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? From: Michael Porter To: eric at megageek.com Date: 09/11/2020 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner On 9/11/2020 7:48 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: OK, in the past, many people have helped me find stuff and I'm really appreciative of it. So this time, I'm making it a contest. This looks about right near your specs: https://www.milfordpower.com/R6728-23-875-Hustler-754853-Blade-p/r6728.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JIBrooks at live.com Fri Sep 11 10:46:04 2020 From: JIBrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:46:04 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +2 for the step drill. I kicked my self when I finally bought some (the HF set of three). Why did I wait so long? Jack From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Pat Horne Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:13 PM To: Doug Braun Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box +1 for the unibit. Probably your best bet. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 9, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Doug Braun > wrote: ? Those step drills (Unibit-style) work really well in sheet metal. I have a set of three from HF, and they are very handy. They will do steel, which you would not want to do with a Forstner bit.. Doug On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:52 PM Lee Daniels > wrote: I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box (This one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" holes in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for me, but I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice hole in a box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at least one small rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions appreciated! - Lee_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 14:50:17 2020 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator Message-ID: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for emergency use. (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977). I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be sure it is there when I need it. Up until today, I ran it off of a portable tank. However, we use propane for our heat, cooking and hot water and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank, so being able to run off of that would be far better, especially in an extended outage. We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out a line on the side of the house. I attached a quick release connecter to the house line (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the generator. The supply line appears to be a standard connector like you would have for a gas grill. Here is the adaptor I used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to make everything fit, but I am confident they are all done correctly and I checked everything for leaks before starting up the generator. The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough voltage to even consistently light an LED bulb. I then connected it to a 20lb LP tank and everything worked perfectly. I even ran the refrigerator for about an hour with no problems. There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect I am over-regulating the supply. Still, I assumed that a regulator would put out a constant pressure regardless of what went in, but maybe that isn?t the case. I checked the house supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff in line that was partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main supply and the only shutoff on that line is outside. I have an unregulated supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that without some confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be correct for this application. Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Fri Sep 11 15:15:31 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim, A few thoughts. Since this is the first time you tried to use it, there may be air in the gas line. Let it run for 5-10 minutes to see if that helps. The quick release connector may not flow enough gas. Try bypassing it. I doubt you have a defective regulator but it may be that the house pressure may be different than the pressure coming out of the stand alone tank pressure. Are you using the stand alone regulator between the house & the generator? I doubt that would work. Is there any information in the manual about connecting To the house system? You may need to call the generator manufacturer to see what they say. Depending on the configuration of your house gas lines you may have one or two regulators between the tank & the appliances. I have propane also & have what they call a 2-stage system. There is a regulator @ the tank to drop the pressure to about 20 psi (I think), then one @ the house to drop it to what is needed. The single stage setup has a regulator @ the tank. Make any sense? Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 11, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: ?I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for emergency use. (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977). I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be sure it is there when I need it. Up until today, I ran it off of a portable tank. However, we use propane for our heat, cooking and hot water and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank, so being able to run off of that would be far better, especially in an extended outage. We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out a line on the side of the house. I attached a quick release connecter to the house line (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the generator. The supply line appears to be a standard connector like you would have for a gas grill. Here is the adaptor I used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to make everything fit, but I am confident they are all done correctly and I checked everything for leaks before starting up the generator. The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough voltage to even consistently light an LED bulb. I then connected it to a 20lb LP tank and everything worked perfectly. I even ran the refrigerator for about an hour with no problems. There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect I am over-regulating the supply. Still, I assumed that a regulator would put out a constant pressure regardless of what went in, but maybe that isn?t the case. I checked the house supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff in line that was partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main supply and the only shutoff on that line is outside. I have an unregulated supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that without some confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be correct for this application. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org Fri Sep 11 15:25:09 2020 From: shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org (Ian McFetridge) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> Message-ID: As you say, I think you are over regulating the supply. We have propane heat and when our standby generator was installed they measured the pressure and said it was too low and that they would have to cut in before the regulator to get enough pressure to the generator. So, we have two lines with different regulators. Best, Ian On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:51 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for emergency > use. ( > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977). > I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be sure it > is there when I need it. Up until today, I ran it off of a portable tank. > However, we use propane for our heat, cooking and hot water and have a 500 > gallon in-ground tank, so being able to run off of that would be far > better, especially in an extended outage. > > We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out a line > on the side of the house. I attached a quick release connecter to the > house line ( > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) > and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the generator. > The supply line appears to be a standard connector like you would have for > a gas grill. Here is the adaptor I used: > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to make > everything fit, but I am confident they are all done correctly and I > checked everything for leaks before starting up the generator. > > The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough voltage to > even consistently light an LED bulb. I then connected it to a 20lb LP tank > and everything worked perfectly. I even ran the refrigerator for about an > hour with no problems. > > There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect I am > over-regulating the supply. Still, I assumed that a regulator would put > out a constant pressure regardless of what went in, but maybe that isn?t > the case. I checked the house supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff > in line that was partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main > supply and the only shutoff on that line is outside. I have an unregulated > supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that without some > confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be correct for this > application. > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 15:50:18 2020 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:50:18 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> Thanks, guys. This is all really helpful and I think I understand everything. I just did a little more research and have learned that: Our house pressure regulator is listed as having an SPG Range of 9-13? W.C. There don?t appear to be any supplemental regulators on the furnace or water heater. I looked up the water heater and it specifies a supply pressure of 9.5-13.0??. The owner?s manual specifications for the generator don?t specify the inlet pressure and the regulator that came with the generator doesn?t specify it's pressure. However, a little research on the model (Ningbo Wanan RA328) indicates an outlet pressure of 11?. So, while I will want to confirm this with the generator?s manufacturer, it would seem that I was over-regulated but also that a direct connection to the house should be about right for the generator. Correct? Jim > On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > > As you say, I think you are over regulating the supply. We have propane heat and when our standby generator was installed they measured the pressure and said it was too low and that they would have to cut in before the regulator to get enough pressure to the generator. So, we have two lines with different regulators. > > Best, > Ian > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:51 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: > I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for emergency use. (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977 ). I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be sure it is there when I need it. Up until today, I ran it off of a portable tank. However, we use propane for our heat, cooking and hot water and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank, so being able to run off of that would be far better, especially in an extended outage. > > We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out a line on the side of the house. I attached a quick release connecter to the house line (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the generator. The supply line appears to be a standard connector like you would have for a gas grill. Here is the adaptor I used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to make everything fit, but I am confident they are all done correctly and I checked everything for leaks before starting up the generator. > > The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough voltage to even consistently light an LED bulb. I then connected it to a 20lb LP tank and everything worked perfectly. I even ran the refrigerator for about an hour with no problems. > > There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect I am over-regulating the supply. Still, I assumed that a regulator would put out a constant pressure regardless of what went in, but maybe that isn?t the case. I checked the house supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff in line that was partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main supply and the only shutoff on that line is outside. I have an unregulated supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that without some confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be correct for this application. > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhlocker at comcast.net Fri Sep 11 18:00:05 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> Message-ID: The connection should be between the propane storage tank and the house regulator so it get tank pressure. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-11 5:50 p.m., Jim Stone wrote: > Thanks, guys. ?This is all really helpful and I think I understand > everything. ?I just did a little more research and have learned that: > > * Our house pressure regulator is listed as having an SPG Range of > 9-13? W.C. > * There don?t appear to be any supplemental regulators on the furnace > or water heater. ?I looked up the water heater and it specifies a > supply pressure of?9.5-13.0??. > * The owner?s manual specifications for the generator don?t specify > the inlet pressure and the regulator that came with the generator > doesn?t specify it's pressure. ?However, a little research on the > model (Ningbo Wanan RA328) indicates an outlet pressure of?11?. > > > So, while I will want to confirm this with the generator?s manufacturer, > it would seem that I was over-regulated but also that a direct > connection to the house should be about right for the generator. > > Correct? > > Jim > >> On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ian McFetridge > > wrote: >> >> As you say, I think you are over regulating the supply.? We have >> propane heat and when our?standby generator was installed they >> measured the pressure and said it was too low and that they would have >> to cut in before the regulator to get enough pressure?to the >> generator.? So, we have two lines with different regulators.?? >> >> Best, >> Ian >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:51 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >> I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for >> emergency use. >> ?(https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977). >> I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be >> sure it is there when I need it.? Up until today, I ran it off of >> a portable tank.? However, we use propane for our heat, cooking >> and hot water and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank, so being able >> to run off of that would be far better, especially in an extended >> outage. ? >> >> We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out >> a line on the side of the house. ? I attached a quick release >> connecter to the house line >> (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) >> and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the >> generator.? The supply line appears to be a standard connector >> like you would have for a gas grill.? Here is the adaptor I >> used:?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to >> make everything fit, but I am confident they are all done >> correctly and I checked everything for leaks before starting up >> the generator. >> >> The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough >> voltage to even consistently light an LED bulb.? I then connected >> it to a 20lb LP tank and everything worked perfectly.? I even ran >> the refrigerator for about an hour with no problems. >> >> There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect >> I am over-regulating the supply.? Still, I assumed that a >> regulator would put out a constant pressure regardless of what >> went in, but maybe that isn?t the case.? I checked the house >> supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff in line that was >> partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main supply >> and the only shutoff on that line is outside.? I have an >> unregulated supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that >> without some confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be >> correct for this application. >> >> Thanks, >> Jim From fishplate at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 18:58:39 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:58:39 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> Message-ID: A few random thoughts: 1. You ought to be able to measure the gas pressure with your random plumbing fittings and some clear plastic tubing (WARNING! Explosion Hazard! Be smart!) 2. Do you have the volume available to supply everything at once? (Might be able to be detected along with #1) On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:52 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, guys. This is all really helpful and I think I understand > everything. I just did a little more research and have learned that: > > > - Our house pressure regulator is listed as having an SPG Range of > 9-13? W.C. > - There don?t appear to be any supplemental regulators on the furnace > or water heater. I looked up the water heater and it specifies a supply > pressure of 9.5-13.0??. > - The owner?s manual specifications for the generator don?t specify > the inlet pressure and the regulator that came with the generator doesn?t > specify it's pressure. However, a little research on the model (Ningbo > Wanan RA328) indicates an outlet pressure of 11?. > > > So, while I will want to confirm this with the generator?s manufacturer, > it would seem that I was over-regulated but also that a direct connection > to the house should be about right for the generator. > > Correct? > > Jim > > On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ian McFetridge > wrote: > > As you say, I think you are over regulating the supply. We have propane > heat and when our standby generator was installed they measured the > pressure and said it was too low and that they would have to cut in before > the regulator to get enough pressure to the generator. So, we have two > lines with different regulators. > > Best, > Ian > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:51 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for >> emergency use. ( >> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977). >> I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be sure it >> is there when I need it. Up until today, I ran it off of a portable tank. >> However, we use propane for our heat, cooking and hot water and have a 500 >> gallon in-ground tank, so being able to run off of that would be far >> better, especially in an extended outage. >> >> We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out a line >> on the side of the house. I attached a quick release connecter to the >> house line ( >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) >> and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the generator. >> The supply line appears to be a standard connector like you would have for >> a gas grill. Here is the adaptor I used: >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to make >> everything fit, but I am confident they are all done correctly and I >> checked everything for leaks before starting up the generator. >> >> The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough voltage to >> even consistently light an LED bulb. I then connected it to a 20lb LP tank >> and everything worked perfectly. I even ran the refrigerator for about an >> hour with no problems. >> >> There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect I am >> over-regulating the supply. Still, I assumed that a regulator would put >> out a constant pressure regardless of what went in, but maybe that isn?t >> the case. I checked the house supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff >> in line that was partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main >> supply and the only shutoff on that line is outside. I have an unregulated >> supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that without some >> confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be correct for this >> application. >> >> Thanks, >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 20:10:38 2020 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 22:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> Message-ID: <071ACF45-4CE3-491A-9BE7-238981B100D6@gmail.com> Interesting idea. I am pretty sure I can do that without blowing anything up, but think I will wait until I connect with the manufacturer before taking any new steps. Now that I know more about LP pressure (I don?t know how I survived all these years without this group!), I suspect the easiest thing to do will just be to hook up the generator with my unregulated hose and see how it runs with the 9-13? currently in the house. But, again, I will wait until next week to make that decision. There are no hurricanes in the forecast, so hopefully I have some time before I may need it. I?ll update the group after I hear from Sportsman. Jim > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > A few random thoughts: > > 1. You ought to be able to measure the gas pressure with your random plumbing fittings and some clear plastic tubing (WARNING! Explosion Hazard! Be smart!) > > 2. Do you have the volume available to supply everything at once? (Might be able to be detected along with #1) > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:52 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: > Thanks, guys. This is all really helpful and I think I understand everything. I just did a little more research and have learned that: > > Our house pressure regulator is listed as having an SPG Range of 9-13? W.C. > There don?t appear to be any supplemental regulators on the furnace or water heater. I looked up the water heater and it specifies a supply pressure of 9.5-13.0??. > The owner?s manual specifications for the generator don?t specify the inlet pressure and the regulator that came with the generator doesn?t specify it's pressure. However, a little research on the model (Ningbo Wanan RA328) indicates an outlet pressure of 11?. > > So, while I will want to confirm this with the generator?s manufacturer, it would seem that I was over-regulated but also that a direct connection to the house should be about right for the generator. > > Correct? > > Jim > >> On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ian McFetridge > wrote: >> >> As you say, I think you are over regulating the supply. We have propane heat and when our standby generator was installed they measured the pressure and said it was too low and that they would have to cut in before the regulator to get enough pressure to the generator. So, we have two lines with different regulators. >> >> Best, >> Ian >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:51 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com > wrote: >> I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for emergency use. (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977 ). I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be sure it is there when I need it. Up until today, I ran it off of a portable tank. However, we use propane for our heat, cooking and hot water and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank, so being able to run off of that would be far better, especially in an extended outage. >> >> We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out a line on the side of the house. I attached a quick release connecter to the house line (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the generator. The supply line appears to be a standard connector like you would have for a gas grill. Here is the adaptor I used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to make everything fit, but I am confident they are all done correctly and I checked everything for leaks before starting up the generator. >> >> The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough voltage to even consistently light an LED bulb. I then connected it to a 20lb LP tank and everything worked perfectly. I even ran the refrigerator for about an hour with no problems. >> >> There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect I am over-regulating the supply. Still, I assumed that a regulator would put out a constant pressure regardless of what went in, but maybe that isn?t the case. I checked the house supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff in line that was partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main supply and the only shutoff on that line is outside. I have an unregulated supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that without some confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be correct for this application. >> >> Thanks, >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhlocker at comcast.net Sat Sep 12 04:25:26 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:25:26 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: <4DD281C2-4694-44B2-BD2D-4FEF9CA4060C@gmail.com> References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> <4DD281C2-4694-44B2-BD2D-4FEF9CA4060C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43db4343-c6ed-8b77-e455-5ad2d24b1074@comcast.net> You are absolutely correct. The needs to be one regulator, and one only. It looks from this like your generator requires propane at 11" so your house regulator should be appropriate, but you'll also need a large enough pipe to carry the fuel. Now I'm not sure what the problem might be (which is why I mention the size of the pipe.) A five foot long, small diametre hose won't restrict the flow much, but if your generator is far from the tapping point, or if there are restrictions (from connectors, elbows, ...) your generator may be starved for fuel from one of those causes. Hope this helps; beyond this, I'm out of my depth. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-11 8:07 p.m., Jim Stone wrote: > Thanks, Donald. ?But I don?t think my generator has its own regulator, > since it came with a regulator in the supply line. ?Here is a link to > that > line:?https://www.buffalocorpstore.com/product/sportsman-series-5-foot-lp-regulator-hose-for-lp-generators/. > That is the one I researched and it appears to supply 11?, so right in > the center of my house?s regulated pressure. > > Or am I missing something? ?It wouldn?t be the first time. > >> On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Donald H Locker > > wrote: >> >> The connection should be between the propane storage tank and the house >> regulator so it get tank pressure. >> >> Donald. >> -- >> *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue >> () no proprietary attachments; no html mail >> /\ >> >> On 2020-09-11 5:50 p.m., Jim Stone wrote: >>> Thanks, guys. ?This is all really helpful and I think I understand >>> everything. ?I just did a little more research and have learned that: >>> >>> ?* Our house pressure regulator is listed as having an SPG Range of >>> ???9-13? W.C. >>> ?* There don?t appear to be any supplemental regulators on the furnace >>> ???or water heater. ?I looked up the water heater and it specifies a >>> ???supply pressure of?9.5-13.0??. >>> ?* The owner?s manual specifications for the generator don?t specify >>> ???the inlet pressure and the regulator that came with the generator >>> ???doesn?t specify it's pressure. ?However, a little research on the >>> ???model (Ningbo Wanan RA328) indicates an outlet pressure of?11?. >>> >>> >>> So, while I will want to confirm this with the generator?s manufacturer, >>> it would seem that I was over-regulated but also that a direct >>> connection to the house should be about right for the generator. >>> >>> Correct? >>> >>> Jim >>> >>>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ian McFetridge >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> As you say, I think you are over regulating the supply.? We have >>>> propane heat and when our?standby generator was installed they >>>> measured the pressure and said it was too low and that they would have >>>> to cut in before the regulator to get enough pressure?to the >>>> generator.? So, we have two lines with different regulators.?? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:51 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ???I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for >>>> ???emergency use. >>>> ????(https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977). >>>> ???I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be >>>> ???sure it is there when I need it.? Up until today, I ran it off of >>>> ???a portable tank.? However, we use propane for our heat, cooking >>>> ???and hot water and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank, so being able >>>> ???to run off of that would be far better, especially in an extended >>>> ???outage. ? >>>> >>>> ???We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out >>>> ???a line on the side of the house. ? I attached a quick release >>>> ???connecter to the house line >>>> ???(https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) >>>> ???and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the >>>> ???generator.? The supply line appears to be a standard connector >>>> ???like you would have for a gas grill.? Here is the adaptor I >>>> ???used:?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >>>> >>>> ???There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to >>>> ???make everything fit, but I am confident they are all done >>>> ???correctly and I checked everything for leaks before starting up >>>> ???the generator. >>>> >>>> ???The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough >>>> ???voltage to even consistently light an LED bulb.? I then connected >>>> ???it to a 20lb LP tank and everything worked perfectly.? I even ran >>>> ???the refrigerator for about an hour with no problems. >>>> >>>> ???There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect >>>> ???I am over-regulating the supply.? Still, I assumed that a >>>> ???regulator would put out a constant pressure regardless of what >>>> ???went in, but maybe that isn?t the case.? I checked the house >>>> ???supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff in line that was >>>> ???partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main supply >>>> ???and the only shutoff on that line is outside.? I have an >>>> ???unregulated supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that >>>> ???without some confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be >>>> ???correct for this application. >>>> >>>> ???Thanks, >>>> ???Jim > From dhlocker at comcast.net Sat Sep 12 04:46:39 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:46:39 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Propane generator In-Reply-To: <43db4343-c6ed-8b77-e455-5ad2d24b1074@comcast.net> References: <671E6B12-6B79-4951-8383-DEDFE4CBAFF7@gmail.com> <732D9E4B-17A5-4040-BE85-39AB18C4FC12@gmail.com> <4DD281C2-4694-44B2-BD2D-4FEF9CA4060C@gmail.com> <43db4343-c6ed-8b77-e455-5ad2d24b1074@comcast.net> Message-ID: I should rephrase that. There can be multiple regulators, but each has to have enough pressure and flow capability from the upstage regulators that it can supply sufficient flow at its design output pressure. Maybe I should stop yammering. It's early and I don't want to get into a treatise on regulation systems before I've finished my coffee, but I also don't want to leave this with such a blatantly incorrect statement ("one and only one regulator" is not really true; two-stage regulators are actually two regulators in series, for example.) In any case, I'll shut up for now. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-12 6:25 a.m., Donald H Locker wrote: > You are absolutely correct. The needs to be one regulator, and one only. > > It looks from this like your generator requires propane at 11" so your > house regulator should be appropriate, but you'll also need a large > enough pipe to carry the fuel. > > Now I'm not sure what the problem might be (which is why I mention the > size of the pipe.) A five foot long, small diametre hose won't restrict > the flow much, but if your generator is far from the tapping point, or > if there are restrictions (from connectors, elbows, ...) your generator > may be starved for fuel from one of those causes. > > Hope this helps; beyond this, I'm out of my depth. > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ > > On 2020-09-11 8:07 p.m., Jim Stone wrote: >> Thanks, Donald. ?But I don?t think my generator has its own regulator, >> since it came with a regulator in the supply line. ?Here is a link to >> that >> line:?https://www.buffalocorpstore.com/product/sportsman-series-5-foot-lp-regulator-hose-for-lp-generators/. >> That is the one I researched and it appears to supply 11?, so right in >> the center of my house?s regulated pressure. >> >> Or am I missing something? ?It wouldn?t be the first time. >> >>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Donald H Locker >> > wrote: >>> >>> The connection should be between the propane storage tank and the house >>> regulator so it get tank pressure. >>> >>> Donald. >>> -- >>> *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue >>> () no proprietary attachments; no html mail >>> /\ >>> >>> On 2020-09-11 5:50 p.m., Jim Stone wrote: >>>> Thanks, guys. ?This is all really helpful and I think I understand >>>> everything. ?I just did a little more research and have learned that: >>>> >>>> ?* Our house pressure regulator is listed as having an SPG Range of >>>> ???9-13? W.C. >>>> ?* There don?t appear to be any supplemental regulators on the furnace >>>> ???or water heater. ?I looked up the water heater and it specifies a >>>> ???supply pressure of?9.5-13.0??. >>>> ?* The owner?s manual specifications for the generator don?t specify >>>> ???the inlet pressure and the regulator that came with the generator >>>> ???doesn?t specify it's pressure. ?However, a little research on the >>>> ???model (Ningbo Wanan RA328) indicates an outlet pressure of?11?. >>>> >>>> >>>> So, while I will want to confirm this with the generator?s manufacturer, >>>> it would seem that I was over-regulated but also that a direct >>>> connection to the house should be about right for the generator. >>>> >>>> Correct? >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ian McFetridge >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As you say, I think you are over regulating the supply.? We have >>>>> propane heat and when our?standby generator was installed they >>>>> measured the pressure and said it was too low and that they would have >>>>> to cut in before the regulator to get enough pressure?to the >>>>> generator.? So, we have two lines with different regulators.?? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:51 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ???I have a propane generator that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago for >>>>> ???emergency use. >>>>> ????(https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sportsman-4-000-3-250-Watt-Propane-Gas-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-Clean-Burning-LPG-and-RV-Outlet-GEN4000LP/202222977). >>>>> ???I have never had to use it, but run it every year or so just to be >>>>> ???sure it is there when I need it.? Up until today, I ran it off of >>>>> ???a portable tank.? However, we use propane for our heat, cooking >>>>> ???and hot water and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank, so being able >>>>> ???to run off of that would be far better, especially in an extended >>>>> ???outage. ? >>>>> >>>>> ???We had the house rebuilt last year and I had the plumber stub out >>>>> ???a line on the side of the house. ? I attached a quick release >>>>> ???connecter to the house line >>>>> ???(https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071HSYWD3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) >>>>> ???and purchased an adaptor for the supply line that came with the >>>>> ???generator.? The supply line appears to be a standard connector >>>>> ???like you would have for a gas grill.? Here is the adaptor I >>>>> ???used:?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008E33GEM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >>>>> >>>>> ???There were also a few assorted bushings and adaptors needed to >>>>> ???make everything fit, but I am confident they are all done >>>>> ???correctly and I checked everything for leaks before starting up >>>>> ???the generator. >>>>> >>>>> ???The generator ran very sluggishly and didn?t put out enough >>>>> ???voltage to even consistently light an LED bulb.? I then connected >>>>> ???it to a 20lb LP tank and everything worked perfectly.? I even ran >>>>> ???the refrigerator for about an hour with no problems. >>>>> >>>>> ???There is a regulator on the supply line to the house, so I suspect >>>>> ???I am over-regulating the supply.? Still, I assumed that a >>>>> ???regulator would put out a constant pressure regardless of what >>>>> ???went in, but maybe that isn?t the case.? I checked the house >>>>> ???supply to make sure there wasn?t a shutoff in line that was >>>>> ???partially closed, but it just runs straight off the main supply >>>>> ???and the only shutoff on that line is outside.? I have an >>>>> ???unregulated supply line that I can use, but didn?t want to do that >>>>> ???without some confirmation that ?house" pressure would likely be >>>>> ???correct for this application. >>>>> >>>>> ???Thanks, >>>>> ???Jim >> From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Sep 12 12:04:40 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:04:40 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Which would you choose? Message-ID: I'm partial to the duck myself. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From parkanzky at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 14:01:29 2020 From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:01:29 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop Vac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have this one: WORKSHOP Wet Dry Vac WS1200VA, 12-Gallon Shop Vacuum Cleaner, 5.0 Peak HP w/bags and filter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FBJSNSY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_wFsxFbGY6TA60 I?ve had it for about four years and it?s eaten a heck of a lot of drywall dust in that time. I like that the hose locks in. I bought a coupler and another length of hose and that made it a lot handier. -Paul > On Sep 12, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > ? > So, my old Shop Vac brand shop vac bit the dust. Motor brushes fried themselves. I got some replacement brushes, but they were too big so I ground them down to the right size. Didn't help a whole lot. Runs slow, makes smoke - not terribly useful. > > So, looking at new wet/dry vacs...I'd prefer a 2 inch hose, but could work with a smaller hose. From arvidj999 at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 14:22:00 2020 From: arvidj999 at gmail.com (Arvid) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:22:00 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop Vac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d46de4f-a8aa-443d-0c4a-6d318201a852@gmail.com> You may find this interesting ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSN7PXwn1yU&t=271s ... On 9/12/20 2:42 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > So, my old Shop Vac brand shop vac bit the dust. Motor brushes fried themselves.? ?I got some replacement brushes, but they were too big so I ground them down to the right size.? ?Didn't help a whole lot.? Runs slow, makes smoke - not terribly useful. > > So, looking at new wet/dry vacs...I'd prefer a 2 inch hose, but could work with?a smaller hose.? Any recommendations? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj999 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Sep 12 14:42:39 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:42:39 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop Vac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01A24C04-1073-40CE-AED7-7AC35459CD93@groupwbench.org> I've had a Ridgid for 25 years, and it's still going strong. Loud as fighter jet though. A friend has a WAP (German). Nice and quiet but it will cost you. If the Ridgid ever dies I'll look at quiet ones. Oh yea, my Festo saw came with a vac. Small, and uses bags, but it's quiet as well. Not very burly american "empty the cesspool" like the Ridgid is, but good for medium duty. jim > On Sep 12, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > So, my old Shop Vac brand shop vac bit the dust. Motor brushes fried themselves. I got some replacement brushes, but they were too big so I ground them down to the right size. Didn't help a whole lot. Runs slow, makes smoke - not terribly useful. > > So, looking at new wet/dry vacs...I'd prefer a 2 inch hose, but could work with a smaller hose. Any recommendations? > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > From marka at maracing.com Sat Sep 12 20:19:28 2020 From: marka at maracing.com (Mark Andy) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 22:19:28 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop Vac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy, I have the Milwaukee M18 shop vac. I use it ALL the time. So much handier to not have to deal with a cord and small enough that you can carry it to where you're working easily. Not sure what other options there are for good battery shop vacs if you're not in the Milwaukee universe, but I'd certainly recommend that type of shop vac. Probably not quite the same power as a big corded setup, but I find it much nicer to use than my old school one. Mark On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:43 PM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > So, my old Shop Vac brand shop vac bit the dust. Motor brushes fried > themselves. I got some replacement brushes, but they were too big so I > ground them down to the right size. Didn't help a whole lot. Runs slow, > makes smoke - not terribly useful. > > So, looking at new wet/dry vacs...I'd prefer a 2 inch hose, but could work > with a smaller hose. Any recommendations? > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka at maracing.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably not quite the same power as a big corded > setup, but I find it much nicer to use than my old school one. > > Mark > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:43 PM Jeff Scarbrough > wrote: > > So, my old Shop Vac brand shop vac bit the dust.? Motor brushes > fried themselves.? ?I got some replacement brushes, but they were > too big so I ground them down to the right size.? ?Didn't help a > whole lot.? Runs slow, makes smoke - not terribly useful. > > So, looking at new wet/dry vacs...I'd prefer a 2 inch hose, but > could work with?a smaller hose.? 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Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 15:35:55 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Concrete floors and oil stains In-Reply-To: <665C2F0B-0D33-41E4-A042-0C57D3A5BDD9@icloud.com> References: <665C2F0B-0D33-41E4-A042-0C57D3A5BDD9@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I tried most everything, and nothing really worked for oil that had penetrated the concrete. Kitty litter ground into the stain with the end of a red brick worked the best, but I eventually just gave up trying and went to vinyl flooring: https://store.garageflooringllc.com/t95lv2410-std.html I used the diamond pattern gray for where the cars park and white elsewhere. I should have used gray also for where the motorcycles sit as they leave tire marks on the white when the tires are hot. They are self-adhesive in 24" x 24" square tiles. They go down very quickly once you have cleaned and sealed the floor reasonably well (stains do not matter). I used this sealer/primer first: https://www.homedepot.com/p/BEHR-Premium-1-Gal-Concrete-and-Masonry-Bonding-Primer-88001/100129649 Even if you are not going to lay vinyl flooring down, I would use this sealer on the concrete as it prevents future oil stains, makes it much less dusty, easier to clean, etc. Aside from looking terrific, vinyl is much easier on the knees than concrete, and it quiets down the noise as well. Things do not break as easily when dropped. I used a good deal of white, and it definitely brightened up the shop. They will mark-up and can be gouged with sharp jack stands, etc, but a ruined tile is very easy to replace if you wanted to. best, doug On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:38 PM Thomas Coradeschi wrote: > All: I?d like to seek some input from y?all on successes (or failures) in > cleaning oil stains from a trowel finished concrete garage floor. > > I?ve been down the simple green & pressure washer route, don?t really see > any positive results there. I?m not looking for a ?like new? outcome; > concrete is way too porous for that, but I would like to see better than I > have right now. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Tom Coradeschi > tjcora at icloud.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stearman809 at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 16:09:32 2020 From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:09:32 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Concrete floors and oil stains In-Reply-To: <665C2F0B-0D33-41E4-A042-0C57D3A5BDD9@icloud.com> References: <665C2F0B-0D33-41E4-A042-0C57D3A5BDD9@icloud.com> Message-ID: <17489842160.28bf.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com> Pour 'n Restore pours on and dries to a powder that you sweep up. Leaves the concrete white as new. Might be something like Fuller's earth and limonine? Works great but the bottle is expensive and doesn't go too far. I got it at Ace Hardware some years ago, but it's available online too. On September 13, 2020 3:37:58 PM Thomas Coradeschi wrote: > All: I?d like to seek some input from y?all on successes (or failures) in > cleaning oil stains from a trowel finished concrete garage floor. > > I?ve been down the simple green & pressure washer route, don?t really see > any positive results there. I?m not looking for a ?like new? outcome; > concrete is way too porous for that, but I would like to see better than I > have right now. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Tom Coradeschi > tjcora at icloud.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With a little orange sauce, sauteed crispy. > Mmmmm > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:17 PM Jim Franklin > wrote: > >> I'm partial to the duck myself. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com >> >> > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = > ================================= > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On 13 Sep 2020, at 6:09 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > > Pour 'n Restore pours on and dries to a powder that you sweep up. Leaves the concrete white as new. Might be something like Fuller's earth and limonine? Works great but the bottle is expensive and doesn't go too far. I got it at Ace Hardware some years ago, but it's available online too. > > On September 13, 2020 3:37:58 PM Thomas Coradeschi wrote: > >> All: I?d like to seek some input from y?all on successes (or failures) in cleaning oil stains from a trowel finished concrete garage floor. >> >> I?ve been down the simple green & pressure washer route, don?t really see any positive results there. I?m not looking for a ?like new? outcome; concrete is way too porous for that, but I would like to see better than I have right now. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Tom Coradeschi >> tjcora at icloud.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > From lee at automate-it.com Tue Sep 15 13:09:56 2020 From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:09:56 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting holes in small project box In-Reply-To: <345e52c9-d01d-4995-0b28-b472c2ef8551@earthlink.net> References: <23da603d901213f3871de36cece6665a.squirrel@automate-it.com> <022f9ff946a6505861089a2cd79bae32.squirrel@automate-it.com> <345e52c9-d01d-4995-0b28-b472c2ef8551@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8b782e461deffbd4b38d4c3663a0fa0b.squirrel@automate-it.com> This is a great list. The suggestions for cutting round and square holes were spot-on. I ended up getting a decent step-drill (Unibit) set from Amazon, and in my small drill press at low speed it made beautiful holes in my plastic box. The square holes didn't take long at all; the plastic was pretty soft and a quick cut plus squaring up with a small file made for easy work. THANK YOU for all the helpful replies. Lee On Wed, September 9, 2020 21:33, Brian Kemp wrote: > Lee, > > > For the round holes, I'd use a sharp drill bit at medium speed and go > slow.? For the cleanest hole, start with a small one about 1/8" and move up in > small steps until you get the size you want.? If you have a stepped drill bit > like a unibit, it should work great.? One with smaller steps will give the > cleanest opening.? Here is a sample: > > https://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-stee > l-step-drills-96275.html or with Coupon 18288307 it drops to $13.99 > https://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-stee > l-step-drills-96275.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiMTgyODgzMDciLCJza3UiOiI5NjI3NSIsI > mlzIjoiMTMuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk%0D%0AIjoiMzQ0NiJ9%0D%0A&cid=newgetcpns090120 > > For the rectangle hole, if in metal, use a nibbler like > https://www.amazon.com/RadioShack-RadioShack%C2%AE-HT-204-Nibbling-Tool/dp/B00 > 7Z7PY48/ > Drill a round hole first then trim it to size.? I have not tried the > nibbler on plastic.? I'd expect it to crack. > > I've also used a small cutoff wheel in a Dremel at slow speed.? It will > cut/melt plastic, so go a little small then clean it up with a file.? Drill > small corner holes for the neatest opening. > > Depending on the wire holes and if things are moving around, you may > want to look at a strain relief grommet.? Another option is to use some ring > connectors for the incoming wires and screw them to the standoff mounts inside > the box then run a connecting wire to the next step so there is no strain on > the switch or other components. > > Good luck, > > > Brian > > > On 9/9/2020 12:51 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > >> I need to cut a couple of holes in a rather small electronic project box >> (This >> one: https://amz.run/3YjE ) - but I'm not sure how to make nice "pretty" >> holes in this. It has both a plastic and metal covers, either one works for >> me, but I'll have wires through the plastic side. How does one cut a nice >> hole in a box like this? Ideally I'll have round holes for wiring and at >> least one small rectangle for a switch. See photo. Any suggestions >> appreciated! - Lee >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net >> >> > > From mark at bradakis.com Tue Sep 15 15:31:09 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:31:09 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] First ever Shop Talk treasure hunt- PRIZE for winner--- CONGRATS to Michael Porter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98902d28-25df-c607-c54e-a9906745c9a5@bradakis.com> On 9/15/20 7:36 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > So the blades arrived and they fit. ?So Michael Porteris our winner! > > $50 was just donated to Fat Chance garage and as soon as I hear what > type of card Michael wants, that will go out as well! > > Thanks to everyone that helped out and tried. ?There will be more > contest in the future. > > One interesting thing about the blades, they are not as 'worked over' > as the stock ones. ?They are clearly meant to be stamped out as > cheaply as possible. > > They weight more than the stock ones as a result, but that works out > better as they cut way better in the taller stuff! > > Thanks again! > > Moose Cool, thanks! And a little side note about blades and their weight.? For a year or so I was a parts runner for a local auto parts distributor, who also was the largest Briggs & Stratton distributor in the area.? One day I delivered a couple boxes of edger blades to the U of U groundskeepers. The boxes were a bit smaller than your average facial tissue box, but trust me, they weighed a LOT more. Basically they were as heavy as two blocks of steel in that size. I walk in carrying these two boxes, obviously with a bit of difficulty.? Some kid comes over and with this sort of "you wimpy old fart" smug look on his face and extends his arms to get the boxes.? Poor guy nearly fell over once he had them in hand, he was NOT expecting them to be that heavy. mjb. From dmscheidt at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 20:07:34 2020 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 21:07:34 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop-vac closing Message-ID: Shop-vac rather abruptly shutdown, apparently for good, today. https://www.pennlive.com/business/2020/09/shop-vac-abruptly-closes-williamsport-facilities-leaving-estimated-400-jobless.html -- David Scheidt dmscheidt at gmail.com From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Tue Sep 15 21:24:46 2020 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 23:24:46 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop-vac closing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hopefully we'll still be able to buy bags that fit.? I'm a big fan of using drywall bags in my shop-vac.? They do a great job of catching dust before it can clog the HEPA filter. On 2020-09-15 22:07, David Scheidt wrote: > Shop-vac rather abruptly shutdown, apparently for good, today. > > https://www.pennlive.com/business/2020/09/shop-vac-abruptly-closes-williamsport-facilities-leaving-estimated-400-jobless.html > From jdinnis at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 06:31:23 2020 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:31:23 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop-vac closing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recently tried a dust deputy in line with my shop vac. I have been amazed at how well it works. It stops about 90% of the dust and particulate before it even gets into the vac. I used to have to replace my filters every couple months. Have been using the same filter now for six months and it still looks like new. I bought the deluxe kit that comes with casters and is supposed to bolt on to the side of the shop vac, but I didn't like how they had that set up, so I made a cart to stack the dust deputy on top of it. Overall I am very happy and I plan to buy another one to use with my other shop vac in the basement. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:42 PM Jimmie Mayfield < mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org> wrote: > Hopefully we'll still be able to buy bags that fit. I'm a big fan of > using drywall bags in my shop-vac. They do a great job of catching dust > before it can clog the HEPA filter. > > > On 2020-09-15 22:07, David Scheidt wrote: > > Shop-vac rather abruptly shutdown, apparently for good, today. > > > > > https://www.pennlive.com/business/2020/09/shop-vac-abruptly-closes-williamsport-facilities-leaving-estimated-400-jobless.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Sep 16 07:21:43 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:21:43 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] New concrete bags that have moisture in them. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <414A53D6-E3C5-467A-9D95-1F5F2B57C5B1@icloud.com> If it?s hardened it can?t be unhardened. However if it is just starting to harden dropping the bags may be able to break it up. If so, when you use it it will not set to the design strength. Unless you can get it free I would think your labor would be worth more than the possible savings of using this. Keep well. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 16, 2020, at 8:12 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: ?If you remember, I was planning on building a concrete walkway. Then I see this listing... https://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/d/keyport-3-pallets-of-concrete/7196668548.html It's more than I need, but if I have to throw away 2/3rd of it, I'll still have enough. My question is, can a sealed bag of concrete that may have had moisture be salvaged? If so, how or what do I need to do? Thanks. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 07:55:50 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:55:50 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] New concrete bags that have moisture in them. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wouldn't shift three pallets of concrete only to have to find a way to dispose of two of them. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:12 AM wrote: > If you remember, I was planning on building a concrete walkway. > > Then I see this listing... > > > https://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/d/keyport-3-pallets-of-concrete/7196668548.html > > It's more than I need, but if I have to throw away 2/3rd of it, I'll still > have enough. > > My question is, can a sealed bag of concrete that may have had moisture be > salvaged? If so, how or what do I need to do? > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Wed Sep 16 08:27:30 2020 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:27:30 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] New concrete bags that have moisture in them. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know what you would have to pay for them where you are, but here in southern WI they are around $4 for a 60 pound bag. That is pretty cheap and guaranteed to be good, dry usable concrete mix. I'd not take the chance on all of that wasted concrete unless you know someone who needs granular fill...... tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of eric at megageek.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:11 AM To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] New concrete bags that have moisture in them. If you remember, I was planning on building a concrete walkway. Then I see this listing... https://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/d/keyport-3-pallets-of-concrete/7196668548.html It's more than I need, but if I have to throw away 2/3rd of it, I'll still have enough. My question is, can a sealed bag of concrete that may have had moisture be salvaged? If so, how or what do I need to do? Thanks. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterwmurray at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 08:34:26 2020 From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:34:26 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop-vac closing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I read the article, it appeared to me that this shutdown is just of their manufacturing facilities in Williamsport, PA, not Shop-Vac as a whole. They have manufacturing facilities in Binghamton, NY as well as China. This article seems to indicate that it is Shop-Vac as a whole, which I'd find quite surprising, given the ubiquity of their products! Then again, it is hard for manufacturing companies to manufacture when the Pennsylvania government prevents employees from working.... -Peter On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:43 AM John Innis wrote: > I recently tried a dust deputy in line with my shop vac. I have been > amazed at how well it works. It stops about 90% of the dust and > particulate before it even gets into the vac. I used to have to replace my > filters every couple months. Have been using the same filter now for six > months and it still looks like new. I bought the deluxe kit that comes > with casters and is supposed to bolt on to the side of the shop vac, but I > didn't like how they had that set up, so I made a cart to stack the dust > deputy on top of it. Overall I am very happy and I plan to buy another one > to use with my other shop vac in the basement. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:42 PM Jimmie Mayfield < > mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org> wrote: > >> Hopefully we'll still be able to buy bags that fit. I'm a big fan of >> using drywall bags in my shop-vac. They do a great job of catching dust >> before it can clog the HEPA filter. >> >> >> On 2020-09-15 22:07, David Scheidt wrote: >> > Shop-vac rather abruptly shutdown, apparently for good, today. >> > >> > >> https://www.pennlive.com/business/2020/09/shop-vac-abruptly-closes-williamsport-facilities-leaving-estimated-400-jobless.html >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com >> >> > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = > ================================= > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com Wed Sep 16 09:21:27 2020 From: pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com (PJ McGarvey) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:21:27 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop-vac closing In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Must be hard finding work removing contaminants from the air these days. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Peter Murray Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:34 AM To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop-vac closing When I read the article, it appeared to me that this shutdown is just of their manufacturing facilities in Williamsport, PA, not Shop-Vac as a whole. They have manufacturing facilities in Binghamton, NY as well as China. This article seems to indicate that it is Shop-Vac as a whole, which I'd find quite surprising, given the ubiquity of their products! Then again, it is hard for manufacturing companies to manufacture when the Pennsylvania government prevents employees from working.... -Peter On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:43 AM John Innis > wrote: I recently tried a dust deputy in line with my shop vac. I have been amazed at how well it works. It stops about 90% of the dust and particulate before it even gets into the vac. I used to have to replace my filters every couple months. Have been using the same filter now for six months and it still looks like new. I bought the deluxe kit that comes with casters and is supposed to bolt on to the side of the shop vac, but I didn't like how they had that set up, so I made a cart to stack the dust deputy on top of it. Overall I am very happy and I plan to buy another one to use with my other shop vac in the basement. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:42 PM Jimmie Mayfield > wrote: Hopefully we'll still be able to buy bags that fit. I'm a big fan of using drywall bags in my shop-vac. They do a great job of catching dust before it can clog the HEPA filter. On 2020-09-15 22:07, David Scheidt wrote: > Shop-vac rather abruptly shutdown, apparently for good, today. > > https://www.pennlive.com/business/2020/09/shop-vac-abruptly-closes-williamsport-facilities-leaving-estimated-400-jobless.html > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj_thomas at comcast.net Wed Sep 16 09:24:09 2020 From: pj_thomas at comcast.net (Peter J. Thomas) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:24:09 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] New concrete bags that have moisture in them. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I spread old concrete/mortar mix over my unpaved driveway and rake it in dry. On 9/16/2020 10:27 AM, Tim . wrote: > I'd not take the chance on all of that wasted concrete unless you know > someone who needs granular fill...... > > tim > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of > eric at megageek.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:11 AM > *To:* Shop-talk at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Shop-talk] New concrete bags that have moisture in them. > If you remember, I was planning on building a concrete walkway. > > Then I see this listing... > > https://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/d/keyport-3-pallets-of-concrete/7196668548.html > > > It's more than I need, but if I have to throw away 2/3rd of it, I'll > still have enough. > > My question is, can a sealed bag of concrete that may have had > moisture be salvaged? ?If so, how or what do I need to do? > > Thanks. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Thu Sep 17 07:31:17 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? Message-ID: It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the lack of light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something like this; double ideally they'd be directional so they were only visible to someone backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be somewhat stout to deal with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think that's mostly an installation issue. Have any of you done anything like this? The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to get into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a daylight sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. The bulky pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ thanks, jim From dhlocker at comcast.net Thu Sep 17 07:53:44 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:53:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> Would reflector posts work for you? Good reflectors would be very visible, cost less, and require less maintenance than lighted markers. As long as your reversing lamps work and the snow is not _too_ high, these will be visible. To make them directional, paint the side you don't want visible. HTH, Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-17 9:31 a.m., Jim Franklin wrote: > It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the lack of light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something like this; double ideally they'd be directional so they were only visible to someone backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be somewhat stout to deal with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think that's mostly an installation issue. Have any of you done anything like this? > > The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to get into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a daylight sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. The bulky pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. > > https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ From scott.hall.personal at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 08:31:19 2020 From: scott.hall.personal at gmail.com (Scott Hall) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:31:19 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, I am doing the same thing now (driveway and parking pad lights). There's no way I'd try to do what that guy did and build LEDs. My driveway is 350 feet and I didn't want to run power either, but the independent solar lights were too flimsy and too dim. Right now I'm torn between just LED rope lights or discrete lights. The rope lights mean I would have to build something over them to protect them, the discrete lights seem to require more power and are more expensive to buy but would be quicker once I bought them--you just wire them, stick them in and go. So...I don't have a good answer, just that I haven't found a solar-powered option either and the wiring was actually one of the easiest parts. If you do, I'd be interested to hear about it. Scott On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:32 AM Jim Franklin wrote: > It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the lack of > light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something like this; > double ideally they'd be directional so they were only visible to someone > backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be somewhat stout to deal > with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think that's mostly an installation > issue. Have any of you done anything like this? > > The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to get > into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a daylight > sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. The bulky > pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. > > https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Thu Sep 17 09:02:00 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> References: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> Message-ID: <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> I did the lollipop snowplow reflectors and they kept twisting in the wind so I'd need to go correct them every once in a while, plus they looked hokey. But, they worked. A reflector post, like on roadsides, on a 4x4, now you have me thinking. One issue that comes to mind is, people walking up the driveway could trip on them, especially when the garage carriage lights are relatively bright compared to everything else in their field of view and would blind them to ground based obstacles. Maybe I need some kind of top reflector as well. Hmm. > On Sep 17, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Donald H Locker wrote: > > Would reflector posts work for you? Good reflectors would be very > visible, cost less, and require less maintenance than lighted markers. > As long as > your reversing lamps work and the snow is not _too_ high, these will be > visible. > > To make them directional, paint the side you don't want visible. > > HTH, > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ > > On 2020-09-17 9:31 a.m., Jim Franklin wrote: >> It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the lack of light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something like this; double ideally they'd be directional so they were only visible to someone backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be somewhat stout to deal with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think that's mostly an installation issue. Have any of you done anything like this? >> >> The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to get into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a daylight sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. The bulky pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. >> >> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ >> >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ From darrellw360 at mac.com Thu Sep 17 09:04:26 2020 From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:04:26 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> References: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: What about the reflector dots they use on the street? > On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I did the lollipop snowplow reflectors and they kept twisting in the wind so I'd need to go correct them every once in a while, plus they looked hokey. But, they worked. A reflector post, like on roadsides, on a 4x4, now you have me thinking. One issue that comes to mind is, people walking up the driveway could trip on them, especially when the garage carriage lights are relatively bright compared to everything else in their field of view and would blind them to ground based obstacles. > > Maybe I need some kind of top reflector as well. Hmm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Thu Sep 17 09:43:09 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:43:09 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: References: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <63E263D4-858B-41B2-B150-A6F3789A4879@groupwbench.org> To be visible as one is walking up the driveway, they'd need a light source behind me. The ones I've seen in the street have reflectors front and back, to reflect headlights. I could probably come up with an elaborate multi-reflector contraption for using the garage lights to illuminate the backside of the unit, but at that point it's not worth it. I need about 20 units. jim > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Darrell Walker wrote: > > > What about the reflector dots they use on the street? > >> On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Jim Franklin > wrote: >> >> I did the lollipop snowplow reflectors and they kept twisting in the wind so I'd need to go correct them every once in a while, plus they looked hokey. But, they worked. A reflector post, like on roadsides, on a 4x4, now you have me thinking. One issue that comes to mind is, people walking up the driveway could trip on them, especially when the garage carriage lights are relatively bright compared to everything else in their field of view and would blind them to ground based obstacles. >> >> Maybe I need some kind of top reflector as well. Hmm. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rande90 at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 10:04:17 2020 From: rande90 at gmail.com (RandE) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:04:17 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: <63E263D4-858B-41B2-B150-A6F3789A4879@groupwbench.org> References: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> <63E263D4-858B-41B2-B150-A6F3789A4879@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: Maybe reflective tape or paint. Make a stripe down the edge of the drive. On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:46 AM Jim Franklin wrote: > To be visible as one is walking up the driveway, they'd need a light > source behind me. The ones I've seen in the street have reflectors front > and back, to reflect headlights. I could probably come up with an elaborate > multi-reflector contraption for using the garage lights to illuminate the > backside of the unit, but at that point it's not worth it. I need about 20 > units. > > jim > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Darrell Walker wrote: > > > What about the reflector dots they use on the street? > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I did the lollipop snowplow reflectors and they kept twisting in the wind > so I'd need to go correct them every once in a while, plus they looked > hokey. But, they worked. A reflector post, like on roadsides, on a 4x4, now > you have me thinking. One issue that comes to mind is, people walking up > the driveway could trip on them, especially when the garage carriage lights > are relatively bright compared to everything else in their field of view > and would blind them to ground based obstacles. > > Maybe I need some kind of top reflector as well. Hmm. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rande at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neiljsherry at talktalk.net Thu Sep 17 10:18:01 2020 From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (neiljsherry at talktalk.net) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:18:01 +0100 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> References: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: Maybe just white painted posts would be enough. Where I reverse park my car I have a white plant pot which makes it easier to spot where the edge is. On 17 September 2020 16:02:00 BST, Jim Franklin wrote: >I did the lollipop snowplow reflectors and they kept twisting in the >wind so I'd need to go correct them every once in a while, plus they >looked hokey. But, they worked. A reflector post, like on roadsides, on >a 4x4, now you have me thinking. One issue that comes to mind is, >people walking up the driveway could trip on them, especially when the >garage carriage lights are relatively bright compared to everything >else in their field of view and would blind them to ground based >obstacles. > >Maybe I need some kind of top reflector as well. Hmm. > >> On Sep 17, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Donald H Locker >wrote: >> >> Would reflector posts work for you? Good reflectors would be very >> visible, cost less, and require less maintenance than lighted >markers. >> As long >as >> your reversing lamps work and the snow is not _too_ high, these will >be >> visible. >> >> To make them directional, paint the side you don't want visible. >> >> HTH, >> Donald. >> -- >> *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue >> () no proprietary attachments; no html mail >> /\ >> >> On 2020-09-17 9:31 a.m., Jim Franklin wrote: >>> It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the >lack of light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something >like this; double ideally they'd be directional so they were only >visible to someone backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be >somewhat stout to deal with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think >that's mostly an installation issue. Have any of you done anything like >this? >>> >>> The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to >get into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a >daylight sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. >The bulky pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. >>> >>> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ >>> >>> thanks, >>> jim >>> _______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >http://autox.team.net/archive > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry at talktalk.net -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Thu Sep 17 20:08:55 2020 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:08:55 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ddf9ab1-5e15-bbaa-ef92-d2deaa7b6d07@threeboysfarm.com> I looked up solar road lights on Amazon and there are things that might work, but you need to figure that out based on your layout. Road mounted pucks, CHINLY Solar Driveway Lights LED Deck Dock Light Step Lighting Waterproof for Outdoor Pathway Garden Ground Yard Walkway Stair Markers 8pcs (White) by CHINLY: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X13V9LB/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_mybzFbAS8Y0A9 pole mounted road lights with remotes: ANKNQ 56 LED Solar Lights Motion Sensor Light Outdoor IP65 Waterproof, Wireless Control Adjustable Wall Light for Garage Garden Yard Pathway Walkway by kaidelong: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08283DC59/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_nubzFbTWHP082? And have you considered just adding one or two bright lights to the back of your vehicle with its/their own switch? I've planted a bunch of crap plastic solar lights next to my driveway but it was more grief than it was worth. Regards, Mark Miller markmiller at threeboysfarm.com > It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the lack of light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something like this; double ideally they'd be directional so they were only visible to someone backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be somewhat stout to deal with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think that's mostly an installation issue. Have any of you done anything like this? > > The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to get into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a daylight sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. The bulky pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. > > https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ > > thanks, > jim > From dirtbeard at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 08:07:54 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:07:54 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: <6ddf9ab1-5e15-bbaa-ef92-d2deaa7b6d07@threeboysfarm.com> References: <6ddf9ab1-5e15-bbaa-ef92-d2deaa7b6d07@threeboysfarm.com> Message-ID: here is an option: https://getbrightright.com/products/brightright?variant=16946683314266¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjJyvxO7y6wIV9j6tBh262gWjEAQYASABEgLPp_D_BwE On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:10 PM Mark Miller wrote: > I looked up solar road lights on Amazon and there are things that might > work, but you need to figure that out based on your layout. > Road mounted pucks, CHINLY Solar Driveway Lights LED Deck Dock Light > Step Lighting Waterproof for Outdoor Pathway Garden Ground Yard Walkway > Stair Markers 8pcs (White) > by CHINLY: > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X13V9LB/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_mybzFbAS8Y0A9 > > > pole mounted road lights with remotes: ANKNQ 56 LED Solar Lights Motion > Sensor Light Outdoor IP65 Waterproof, Wireless Control Adjustable Wall > Light for Garage Garden Yard Pathway Walkway by kaidelong: > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08283DC59/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_nubzFbTWHP082? > > And have you considered just adding one or two bright lights to the back > of your vehicle with its/their own switch? > > I've planted a bunch of crap plastic solar lights next to my driveway > but it was more grief than it was worth. > > Regards, > > Mark Miller markmiller at threeboysfarm.com > > > > It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the lack of > light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something like this; > double ideally they'd be directional so they were only visible to someone > backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be somewhat stout to deal > with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think that's mostly an installation > issue. Have any of you done anything like this? > > > > The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to get > into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a daylight > sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. The bulky > pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. > > > > https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ > > > > thanks, > > jim > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:06:38 2020 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 18:06:38 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? In-Reply-To: References: <06fb68bc-2976-d1d1-5e35-cae14d5d2240@comcast.net> <06D67E44-8B8A-4950-93BE-CAAA4EBE2CA7@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <026e01d68e07$fb83c340$f28b49c0$@gmail.com> What about the fiberglass snow sticks? Aka Fiberglass Safety Markers? ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of neiljsherry at talktalk.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:18 PM To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Solar driveway runway lights? Maybe just white painted posts would be enough. Where I reverse park my car I have a white plant pot which makes it easier to spot where the edge is. On 17 September 2020 16:02:00 BST, Jim Franklin > wrote: I did the lollipop snowplow reflectors and they kept twisting in the wind so I'd need to go correct them every once in a while, plus they looked hokey. But, they worked. A reflector post, like on roadsides, on a 4x4, now you have me thinking. One issue that comes to mind is, people walking up the driveway could trip on them, especially when the garage carriage lights are relatively bright compared to everything else in their field of view and would blind them to ground based obstacles. Maybe I need some kind of top reflector as well. Hmm. On Sep 17, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Donald H Locker > wrote: Would reflector posts work for you? Good reflectors would be very visible, cost less, and require less maintenance than lighted markers. As long as your reversing lamps work and the snow is not _too_ high, these will be visible. To make them directional, paint the side you don't want visible. HTH, Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-17 9:31 a.m., Jim Franklin wrote: It's impossible to back down my driveway at night because of the lack of light, so I need to add something. Ideally I'd have something like this; double ideally they'd be directional so they were only visible to someone backing down the driveway. And they'd need to be somewhat stout to deal with weather, errant feet, etc., but I think that's mostly an installation issue. Have any of you done anything like this? The project in the link below is a bit more complex than I want to get into but it gives you an idea. I'd like solar powered with a daylight sensor. I don't have an easy way to run power to the driveway. The bulky pathway lights at $30 apiece is way out of budget. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/14847873742968238/ thanks, jim _____ _____ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry at talktalk.net -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made some blackened shrimp one time, and got my cast iron > skillet hot enough so that the butter coated shrimp burst into flames > when they hit the pan. > > I'm thinking a nice vent hood to pipe some of the fumes and such outside > would be a nice addition. Has anyone added such a device to their own > kitchen? Tips, tricks, recommendations? > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/sentenac.rw at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Sep 19 09:38:05 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:38:05 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: <1a490c12-5ee7-587b-325b-06bf16dd7247@bradakis.com> References: <1a490c12-5ee7-587b-325b-06bf16dd7247@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <426E3F6D-5442-43FE-BA59-4B35E0F09E0A@groupwbench.org> If you want to evacuate that kind of smoke, and still maintain a conversation, you need to spend money. As points of contrast, in my current home that I planned to flip, I installed a nice hoo from Frigidaire like in your picture, cost all of $150 or so. On fan 1 it is like a tornado in sound and barely evacuates steam from boiling water. It has a direct pipe straight up through the roof. The noise comes from the mesh filter and the cheap fan design. The switch block was loose when I got it and I had to take it apart to tighten it. The MR22?? lights are almost impossible to install because the sockets are misaligned with the housing. 10 years ago I received a Viking stove for free and remodelled the kitchen around it including a 42" hood with commercial style grease baffles, and a 1200 cfm exterior fan. It would suck pets into space and you could still hear normal conversations. That was about $3000, plus all the DIY of building a soffit in an adjoining room and running the solid duct to the back of the house (always use solid ducting). A friend has some fancy Italian setup with the motor integral to the roof vent, and straight ducting. It works well, is quiet, cost a lot, and the motor burned out after 10 years and took months to get parts for. I would leave the exotica for the garage. Broan/Nutone make decent consumer lever stuff, Fantech is better. I just remembered I had a Broan Allure III that had a nice quiet level 1 for extracting steam, and did a decent job of bigger stuff at higher levels but still had the mesh screen so it was noisy on level 3, but fine for this bachelor. It would not handle cructacean conflagrations though. jim > On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > If you happen to be a friend on Facebook, you know how much I like cooking. Sometimes I make a mess, stink up the place with whatever I'm working on. I made some blackened shrimp one time, and got my cast iron skillet hot enough so that the butter coated shrimp burst into flames when they hit the pan. > > I'm thinking a nice vent hood to pipe some of the fumes and such outside would be a nice addition. Has anyone added such a device to their own kitchen? Tips, tricks, recommendations? > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > From mark at bradakis.com Sat Sep 19 09:45:00 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:45:00 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: <1a490c12-5ee7-587b-325b-06bf16dd7247@bradakis.com> References: <1a490c12-5ee7-587b-325b-06bf16dd7247@bradakis.com> Message-ID: The stove needing venting. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fairly common on higher end homes & easy to source parts for down the road. The last vent fan I bought for a rental unit was a Broan PM390. It?s an insert that goes in a custom cabinet. It?s a squirrel cage rather than just a fan blade. The fan is fine but the light is terrible. It definitely needs a DIY light upgrade to better lighting than what can be screwed into the sockets. I won?t complain, it was new on ebay for $25 plus $50 shipping. Please let us know what you go with. Keep safe. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: ?The stove needing venting. mjb. <20200919_093444.jpg> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From strovato at optonline.net Sat Sep 19 10:44:11 2020 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:44:11 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: <4359CE1D-169B-497B-8088-CD4C203DC9E4@icloud.com> References: <4359CE1D-169B-497B-8088-CD4C203DC9E4@icloud.com> Message-ID: My stove hood has a fan in the attic that then vents out the side wall. Definitely quieter. They make different cfm models. If you have a reasonably tight house and a fireplace or furnace, a big fan can reverse the flow in the flue and cause CO or smoke problems. It's not usually a problem with typical consumer stuff, but if you want to suck pets into space like Jim, you should consider where the replacement air is going to come from. -Steve T. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From fishplate at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 10:47:59 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:47:59 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: <4359CE1D-169B-497B-8088-CD4C203DC9E4@icloud.com> References: <4359CE1D-169B-497B-8088-CD4C203DC9E4@icloud.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 12:17 PM Pat Horne wrote: > > Now, because you want some serious venting, wall venting may not work for > you unless you can go vertically unto the attic, then out through a gable > end wall. My vent hood looks like it goes out the roof, but there's another story above the kitchen. Instead, it goes into a 3" by 14" duct that gows down through the stud bay and into the crawl space and outside through a grill on the exterior wall (under the deck, as it happens). Many ways to route the vent; some of them are more involved than others. A remote fan sounds interesting. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Sep 19 11:04:49 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <096E4284-3BD3-4D9A-B985-C315407F4E1F@icloud.com> Agreed. Down will work too. Here in Texas we build primarily on slabs so there is no ?down? that works for us. You really need to pay attention to the duct. The more transitions & bends, as well as length can really affect the air flow. Keep it as short & direct as possible for best air flow. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: ? > On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 12:17 PM Pat Horne wrote: > > Now, because you want some serious venting, wall venting may not work for you unless you can go vertically unto the attic, then out through a gable end wall. My vent hood looks like it goes out the roof, but there's another story above the kitchen. Instead, it goes into a 3" by 14" duct that gows down through the stud bay and into the crawl space and outside through a grill on the exterior wall (under the deck, as it happens). Many ways to route the vent; some of them are more involved than others. A remote fan sounds interesting. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Sep 19 11:08:27 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:08:27 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483559F4-3225-48A7-929C-5B4E1E255355@icloud.com> True. Make up air can be a problem. For cooler climates there are heat exchangers that Transfer heat from exhaust vents (like the vent hood or fart fans) & add it back into exterior air being drawn in. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:45 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: ?My stove hood has a fan in the attic that then vents out the side wall. Definitely quieter. They make different cfm models. If you have a reasonably tight house and a fireplace or furnace, a big fan can reverse the flow in the flue and cause CO or smoke problems. It's not usually a problem with typical consumer stuff, but if you want to suck pets into space like Jim, you should consider where the replacement air is going to come from. -Steve T. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Sat Sep 19 12:01:15 2020 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:01:15 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86b9b5e7-d9b0-ef65-6d54-a10b7aa3381a@threeboysfarm.com> I used this one in my last kitchen. It is amazing, powerful and surprisingly quiet.? And for safety comes with a Kid-Gard (tm) grate to keep from pulling children up and tossing them onto the roof.? Another great feature is that the corners have a 1" or so chamfer on them for those of us who tend to bump into things while excitedly cooking. 2 burned thumbs up. Vent-A-Hood? 36" Biscuit Wall Hood-SLH18-236 BT Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller at threeboysfarm.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:18:18 -0600 > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: "Shop-talk at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? > Message-ID: <1a490c12-5ee7-587b-325b-06bf16dd7247 at bradakis.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > If you happen to be a friend on Facebook, you know how much I like > cooking.? Sometimes I make a mess, stink up the place with whatever I'm > working on.? I made some blackened shrimp one time, and got my cast iron > skillet hot enough so that the butter coated shrimp burst into flames > when they hit the pan. > > I'm thinking a nice vent hood to pipe some of the fumes and such outside > would be a nice addition.? Has anyone added such a device to their own > kitchen?? Tips, tricks, recommendations? > > mjb. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jem at milleredp.com Sun Sep 20 17:38:09 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: <4359CE1D-169B-497B-8088-CD4C203DC9E4@icloud.com> References: <4359CE1D-169B-497B-8088-CD4C203DC9E4@icloud.com> Message-ID: <840728c4-a0c8-df1f-4ede-9546b7a7ad81@milleredp.com> > I have been building houses with Habitat for Humanity for about 35 > years. They use cheap hoods, which I wouldn?t recommend. Over the > years the homes have had their share of rain leaking in around the > flue so we went to venting through the wall instead. No more > problems. FWIW we our house is kinda the opposite, we have two custom-made Abbaka (http://abbaka.com/abbaka-original-custom-range-hoods/) hoods, they look very much like the ones in this pic except stainless and our tall one is even taller than the left one. The tall one is the main hood, and because of it being sited between two openable skylights (you can't have any venting into the house near sewer vent, range hood, etc. exhausts) it's ducted along and down the truss bays to a big Thermador R2D2 roof-mounted remote blower. Yes, it'd eject small animals at least two counties away. The Thermador blower has two speeds, it and the lights in the hood are switched through our Lutron lighting control system, delays had to be coded into the switching to ensure that both speeds were not enabled at the same time which apparently results in a smoking bit of tin up on the roof. What can I say, it was the 'net boom. Love the range hoods, but great as the Lutron stuff has been, you could now do what it does for 0.08X what it cost. The smaller hood over the Yick wok burner (that my wife wanted badly but never uses...) has an internal blower and vents further down the roof near the eaves, it also works well. I hadn't realized there were places that don't have range hoods, except for those benighted cooktops with the blowers that suck laterally and down through the crawlspace... The contractor installed the tall hood with some blocking to adjacent truss lower chords, I leaned on it and it flexed half an inch. I told him "this sucks let me do this" and welded up a frame that ties it to four lower truss chords laterally and up and down the nearest chords about three feet in either direction, dragged it up there in three pieces and bolted it all together. It don't damn well move now. John. From jem at milleredp.com Sun Sep 20 18:07:49 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:07:49 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: <840728c4-a0c8-df1f-4ede-9546b7a7ad81@milleredp.com> References: <4359CE1D-169B-497B-8088-CD4C203DC9E4@icloud.com> <840728c4-a0c8-df1f-4ede-9546b7a7ad81@milleredp.com> Message-ID: <0d227d54-ad8f-9916-eb0b-99314aa5de0f@milleredp.com> On 9/20/2020 4:38 PM, John Miller wrote: > The Thermador blower has two speeds, it and the lights in the hood are > switched through our Lutron lighting control system, delays had to be > coded into the switching to ensure that both speeds were not enabled at > the same time which apparently results in a smoking bit of tin up on the > roof. By the way, the fact that we have seven power skylights was not intentional, it was supposed to be two power and five fixed, but the firm we ordered from screwed up. They made us a great deal on them, so they're here. In a way I'm glad it worked out that way, because back when we bought it and it was a poorly-insulated 1965 Sunset Magazine example one of the first things we did in the first six months was AC and it ran four months a year. This in the temperate norcal Bay Area. Now, with the high roofs and the skylights for ventilation in/out on opposite sides of the peak, we use it six maybe ten days a year. John. From jem at milleredp.com Sun Sep 20 18:14:39 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:14:39 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Kitchen vent hood? In-Reply-To: <096E4284-3BD3-4D9A-B985-C315407F4E1F@icloud.com> References: <096E4284-3BD3-4D9A-B985-C315407F4E1F@icloud.com> Message-ID: <4c407724-e928-106f-ffbd-45464c23cdf8@milleredp.com> > You really need to pay attention to the duct. The more transitions & > bends, as well as length can really affect the air flow. Keep it as > short & direct as possible for best air flow. True for dryer vents and anything that exhausts from the house as well as range hoods. Our dryer vent goes up, 90 degree right, Fantech booster, all the way over the garage and my shop and exhausts under the eaves in the side yard. Our bathroom vents both have remote Fantech blowers to keep them away from skylights. You should see what I had to do to keep the plumbing vents away from the skylights. There's two big vent 'busses' that collect all the kitchen, bath, outside kitchen, utility etc. sink/toilet/etc. vents and run them up near the front of the house near the entryway. I have to think that until now it never occurred to me to figure out some way to make flames or at least huge dry ice clouds come out of them at Halloween... John. From jniolon at att.net Thu Sep 24 20:05:35 2020 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:05:35 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] building off of a vinyl siding wall References: <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz@johns-desktop> we built an addition onto the house and it's covered in standard run of the mill vinyl siding. Off that we built a 12wx10d p.t. deck. The deck is accessed by a double French door with only one moving door. I either want to add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof... The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to attach a header to. What is the approved method for attaching something permanent to a vinyl sided wall. There is particle board beneath the siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use but don't know about the siding and attaching over it... 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Drill some oversized holes through the siding & add spacers through the holes & secure the roof/ awning with lag bolts. There should be an air space between the siding & the roof framing. Flash as above. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 24, 2020, at 9:06 PM, john niolon wrote: ? we built an addition onto the house and it's covered in standard run of the mill vinyl siding. Off that we built a 12wx10d p.t. deck. The deck is accessed by a double French door with only one moving door. I either want to add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof... The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to attach a header to. What is the approved method for attaching something permanent to a vinyl sided wall. There is particle board beneath the siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use but don't know about the siding and attaching over it... Suggestions ?? the pic is not the actual wall just a sample of what it is. john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From jdinnis at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 20:23:26 2020 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:23:26 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] building off of a vinyl siding wall In-Reply-To: <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz@johns-desktop> Message-ID: Typically you would remove enough siding to allow the header to attach directly to the wallboard. Normally siding edging (as shown in your example photo around the outlet) is used to maintain a waterproof boarder around the header board. It is also a good idea to put a bead a caulk around and behind the header board. We used Azak(sp?) to make a header that was low maintenance. On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:06 PM john niolon wrote: > we built an addition onto the house and it's covered in standard run of > the mill vinyl siding. Off that we built a 12wx10d p.t. deck. The deck is > accessed by a double French door with only one moving door. I either want > to > add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof... > The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to > attach a header to. What is the approved method for attaching something > permanent to a vinyl sided wall. There is particle board beneath the > siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use > but don't know about the siding and attaching over it... Suggestions ?? > the pic is > not the actual wall just a sample of what it is. > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: siding.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32240 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tjcora at icloud.com Fri Sep 25 06:03:06 2020 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 08:03:06 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] building off of a vinyl siding wall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great advice! Do make sure that you add a drip edge to the top of the header and do the other things to ensure that the sheathing stays dry. The OSB sheathing on your house will deteriorate quickly if it is allowed be wet for any period of time. Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Sep 24, 2020, at 10:24 PM, John Innis wrote: > > ? > Typically you would remove enough siding to allow the header to attach directly to the wallboard. Normally siding edging (as shown in your example photo around the outlet) is used to maintain a waterproof boarder around the header board. It is also a good idea to put a bead a caulk around and behind the header board. We used Azak(sp?) to make a header that was low maintenance. > >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:06 PM john niolon wrote: >> we built an addition onto the house and it's covered in standard run of the mill vinyl siding. Off that we built a 12wx10d p.t. deck. The deck is accessed by a double French door with only one moving door. I either want to >> add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof... The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to attach a header to. What is the approved method for attaching something >> permanent to a vinyl sided wall. There is particle board beneath the siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use but don't know about the siding and attaching over it... Suggestions ?? the pic is >> not the actual wall just a sample of what it is. >> >> john >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com >> > > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = > ================================= > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmscheidt at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 08:06:40 2020 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 09:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] building off of a vinyl siding wall In-Reply-To: <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWGb8hlTv.2OlQENsyuGz@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1573A0F0-6901-4771-9AC2-5199FB338AAB@gmail.com> > On Sep 24, 2020, at 21:05, john niolon wrote: > > The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to attach a header to. What is the approved method for attaching something > permanent to a vinyl sided wall. You must remove the siding. Failing to do so means you can?t flash properly, and can result in failure of the bolts holding the header on. They become loaded in a bending moment, not plain shear. > There is particle board beneath the siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use but don't know about the siding and attaching over it... Suggestions ?? the pic is > not the actual wall just a sample of what it is. > > john > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt at gmail.com > From jniolon at att.net Sat Sep 26 14:22:27 2020 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:22:27 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law help References: <1UWGdG6uZt.5PPwiZcHLgQ.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UWGdG6uZt.5PPwiZcHLgQ@johns-desktop> been a long time since I used this 175 watt ac/dc converter 12 volt dc looking for amp draw off battery power/voltage = amps 175/12 = 14.5 amps right ?? and 10' of 12 gauge wire should do it right ?? thanks john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm guessing you already tried looking for a label or specs online? jim > On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:22 PM, john niolon wrote: > > been a long time since I used this > > 175 watt ac/dc converter > 12 volt dc > > looking for amp draw off battery > > power/voltage = amps > > > 175/12 = 14.5 amps right ?? and 10' of 12 gauge wire should do it right ?? > > thanks > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Sep 26 15:25:00 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law help In-Reply-To: <1UWGdG6uZt.5PPwiZcHLgQ@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGdG6uZt.5PPwiZcHLgQ@johns-desktop> Message-ID: What Jim said. Is there a supply side fuse on it? If so, I?d select wire size to equal to or greater than the fuse rating. It?s been a long time for me too but i seem to remember that inverters were only 60-70% efficient. Newer ones are better. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 26, 2020, at 3:26 PM, john niolon wrote: ? been a long time since I used this 175 watt ac/dc converter 12 volt dc looking for amp draw off battery power/voltage = amps 175/12 = 14.5 amps right ?? and 10' of 12 gauge wire should do it right ?? thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From jniolon at att.net Sat Sep 26 15:59:01 2020 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:59:01 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law stuff References: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs@johns-desktop> Pat, the fuse on the input size is 15 amp so #12 is still acceptable Jim, here's the specs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: specx.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 540364 bytes Desc: not available URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Sep 26 16:14:30 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:14:30 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law stuff In-Reply-To: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1DF09573-3AAA-4A2E-BF45-4A4A2EB4EDC9@icloud.com> Actually, that fuse is for the output. It shows a 40A fuse for the input. If you plan on using the inverter for a short interval you can go with #10 wire but the wire will get hot, wasting power. #8 would be better. Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:01 PM, john niolon wrote: ? Pat, the fuse on the input size is 15 amp so #12 is still acceptable Jim, here's the specs _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From jniolon at att.net Sat Sep 26 16:17:58 2020 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law stuff In-Reply-To: <1DF09573-3AAA-4A2E-BF45-4A4A2EB4EDC9@icloud.com> References: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs@johns-desktop> <1DF09573-3AAA-4A2E-BF45-4A4A2EB4EDC9@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1UWGdHQrXK.9TTKZyj8c6t@johns-desktop> See Pat, THAT'S why I come here... expert advise.. #10 just as easy to run as #12... heck, I might have enough #8 to do it too. assuming the line to ground should be equal gauge, right ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Horne To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Sent: 9/26/2020 5:14:30 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] ohms law stuff ________________________________________________________________________________ Actually, that fuse is for the output. It shows a 40A fuse for the input. If you plan on using the inverter for a short interval you can go with #10 wire but the wire will get hot, wasting power. #8 would be better. Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:01 PM, john niolon wrote: ? Pat, the fuse on the input size is 15 amp so #12 is still acceptable Jim, here's the specs _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Sep 26 16:20:29 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:20:29 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law stuff In-Reply-To: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs@johns-desktop> Message-ID: Oh, I just noticed that the max current shows to be 76A. Sounds like you should go with #4, #6 minimum. Google ?copper wire ampacity chart?. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:01 PM, john niolon wrote: ? Pat, the fuse on the input size is 15 amp so #12 is still acceptable Jim, here's the specs _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From dhlocker at comcast.net Sat Sep 26 16:22:13 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:22:13 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law stuff In-Reply-To: <0327bb21-aa50-b5f0-16ed-acaf6c0cbf33@comcast.net> References: <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWGdH2HYC.7Vj9rDIheBs@johns-desktop> <0327bb21-aa50-b5f0-16ed-acaf6c0cbf33@comcast.net> Message-ID: <78ad97c1-77c6-35b9-0de1-dd91b7286bc5@comcast.net> I forgot to copy the list; apologies for the duplicates. donald. *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-09-26 6:19 p.m., Donald H Locker wrote: > 750W/12V/0.85 = 73.5A (750W is MUCH greater than 175!) > > Label says "Full Load Input Current: 76A" so I'd be strongly inclined to > size the wiring, fuses, and connectors for that current or you'll risk > overheatig the wires. > > If you really plan to only ever draw 175W, plan for about 70% > efficiency: 175/12/0.70 = 21A > > If you ever expect to operate the inverter without the engine on, plan > for the 10V battery level, so 175/10/0.70 = 25A. > > I'd plan wiring and fuse for 30A if you expect to draw 175W. Depending > on length, 10AWG would probably work, but use 8AWG if you want to be > safe. > > has a useful table. > > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ > > On 2020-09-26 5:59 p.m., john niolon wrote: >> Pat, the fuse on the input size is 15 amp? so #12 is still acceptable >> Jim, here's the specs >> > From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Sep 27 05:16:05 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law help In-Reply-To: <1UWGdG6uZt.5PPwiZcHLgQ@johns-desktop> References: <1UWGdG6uZt.5PPwiZcHLgQ.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWGdG6uZt.5PPwiZcHLgQ@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1696963183.1133942.1601205365675@mail.yahoo.com> The real question is what are you powering?? A 175 watt inverter powering a 100W load will draw 100W/12V = 8.3A.? Just because the inverter has a 175 capacity it will draw only the power it needs to run the load.? So if you have a specific load in mind start there.? If this is for generic use then go with the capacity. Then factor in efficiency which on any modern inverter is in the 85-95% range.? So your 14.5 amps could be 17 amps.? Also consider that a 12 gauge wire has a resistance of 2.5 Ohms per 1000ft.? A 10 foot run there an back is a total of 20 ft.? So 2.5*20/1000 = .05 Ohms.? At 17 amps you will get a voltage drop of .85 volts.? Not an issue since an automotive battery typically produces 13 to 13.5 and a functioning alternator runs at 14 volts or more.? But if you were making a longer run the voltage drop could be more of a wire size determinant than the wire's capacity. Lastly, check the nameplate data.? Per UL, CSA, IEC, etc standard these devices will have a name plate indicating the power in (worst case) and the power out (max ratings). Other than that it's pretty simple. Dave -----Original Message----- From: john niolon To: shop-talk Sent: Sat, Sep 26, 2020 3:22 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] ohms law help #yiv4470871034 body {margin:0.7em;}#yiv4470871034 body.yiv4470871034OECFntDef, #yiv4470871034 body.yiv4470871034OECFntDef div {font-family:"Segoe UI", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;} been a long time since I used this?????175 watt ac/dc converter12 volt dc?looking for amp draw off battery?power/voltage = amps??175/12 = 14.5 amps??? right ????? and 10' of 12 gauge wire should do it? right ???thanksjohn?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: