From eric at megageek.com Mon Jun 1 05:55:43 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 07:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OD, Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences. I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and balancer combo. I am glad I bought them. The money is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it. While doing the restore on my dually F350, I found out that my inner tire was cut from my last scrap yard run. With the changer being so easy to use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it. Total time, about 15 mins. Without the changer, I don't think I would have tried to do a dually tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price. I look forward to your tool reviews. I may add one or two. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 07:01:28 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 06:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Eric, Yes, your comment: I am glad I bought them. The money is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it. Hits to the heart of this discussion. Over the decades I have changed scores of tires on the floor with tire irons because in my mind I was being smarter for not spending hundreds of dollars for something that I could do "for free" with the tools I had. I wish I had been better to myself all those years. I really enjoy using high-quality tools. Using good tools improves the quality of the shop experience. Some of you may have read *Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: an inquiry into values*, 1974, Bantam Book. If not, I would suggest it, particularly if you are not a motorcyclist. He states, to the effect, that (my paraphrase) We should not rush through the maintenance process, that we learn about ourselves during the process. The process has value. We should enjoy the act of maintenance I believe it, and using high quality tools for the process greatly enhances the experience. best, doug On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:55 AM wrote: > OD, > > Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences. > > I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire > changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and > balancer combo. > > I am glad I bought them. The money is hard to justify as it will take > over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it. > > While doing the restore on my dually F350, I found out that my inner tire > was cut from my last scrap yard run. With the changer being so easy to > use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it. > Total time, about 15 mins. Without the changer, I don't think I would have > tried to do a dually tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the > mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price. > > I look forward to your tool reviews. I may add one or two. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Mon Jun 1 17:27:45 2020 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 16:27:45 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] favorite tools Message-ID: <5ce16579-b9d5-084d-faf7-d4c53a1cb373@threeboysfarm.com> I have become a fan of oscillating cutting tools.? Bought a $15 harbor freight one and liked it instantly.? It changes the way I do various jobs simply because it is a new and better option. Cutting in electrical boxes, cutting PVC (I rarely measure: cut, try it, cut again). And then I learned about the Bosch carbide blades that fit it and it was one of those clouds part and birds begin singing moment.?? So much better to use.? Cut through nails, they last way longer, all those good things.? I then upgraded to a Milwaukee cordless one and life got even better. That is a good path for buying tools for me.? Buy something cheap or used to see if I like it, then improve on it.? As an added bonus you still have the cheap one if someone wants to borrow a tool. But my favorite tools are the ones I inherited from my father. Best is the 3 foot long ridgid bolt cutters. After 15 years I still smile every time I use them, knowing he probably said many of the same things I was saying right then to rebar and bolts 40 or 50 years earlier.. -- Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller at threeboysfarm.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jun 1 18:38:56 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:38:56 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22633d8c-573c-add2-a65d-0240f73dd70a@bradakis.com> And now for something completely unexpected!? Well, if you are one of my Facebook friends, no real surprise.? One passion of mine is cooking.? And appreciation of proper tools for the job is present in all endeavors. That eggbeater is most likely older than many folks on this list. I wouldn't be surprised if Karen's grandmother got it from her grandmother.? And it can make a batch of whipped cream that is head and shoulders above anything my electric mixer can do. The potato masher is no doubt more modern, probably dating from late Fifties or early Sixties.? It has one job, to mash potatoes. And that it can do.? But when I'm doing say, 10 pounds of taters for one of Karen's church functions, I dig out the Kitchenaid.? I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid! mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: beater.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 33078 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ronnie.day at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 20:13:15 2020 From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:13:15 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Vintage wiring? Message-ID: I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals and molded connectors fo automotive and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ...? One of the guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair with the OE color code. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 21:12:43 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:12:43 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Vintage wiring? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe this one: http://www.britishwiring.com/Bullets-Snap-Connectors-s/47.htm?searching=Y&sort=5&cat=47&show=10&page=2 Best, doug On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 7:14 PM Ronnie Day wrote: > I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals and molded > connectors fo automotive and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ...? One of the > guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair with the OE > color code. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neiljsherry at talktalk.net Tue Jun 2 07:02:20 2020 From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (Neil Sherry) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:02:20 +0100 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Message-ID: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> Hi ? I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) ? best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it ? I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ?? plywood ? which would make it slide and not fall over ? but do I need to box it in? What have you done? Thanks Neil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Tue Jun 2 07:26:54 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:26:54 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <8483794B-ED04-4466-BBE0-1B81E68089CF@groupwbench.org> For starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have requirements for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a forklift-compatible pallet. I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you use enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently. If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets around the gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that until you're comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of cardboard "walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to build up momentum. jim > On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: > > Hi ? I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) ? best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it ? I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ?? plywood ? which would make it slide and not fall over ? but do I need to box it in? What have you done? > Thanks > Neil > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrochlin at comcast.net Tue Jun 2 07:36:26 2020 From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: <8483794B-ED04-4466-BBE0-1B81E68089CF@groupwbench.org> References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> <8483794B-ED04-4466-BBE0-1B81E68089CF@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: When I shipped my od gearbox (I used FedEx) I built a wooden crate around the gearbox from 1X2s and 3/8 plywood bolting the gearbox to the crate. I used that crate several times and never had any damage. It added some weight to the shipping, but the sold protection was worth it. Best, Bob > On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > For starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have requirements for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a forklift-compatible pallet. > > I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you use enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently. > > If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets around the gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that until you're comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of cardboard "walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to build up momentum. > > jim > >> On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry > wrote: >> >> Hi ? I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) ? best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it ? I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ?? plywood ? which would make it slide and not fall over ? but do I need to box it in? What have you done? >> Thanks >> Neil >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejrussell at mebtel.net Tue Jun 2 07:43:35 2020 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:43:35 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <41cefc83-d39e-4856-1944-bec865925943@mebtel.net> I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it. On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: > > Hi ? I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) ? > best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to > wrap it ? I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap > it down to some ?? plywood ? which would make it slide and not fall > over ? but do I need to box it in? What have you done? > > Thanks > > Neil > -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Tue Jun 2 07:56:41 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:56:41 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools In-Reply-To: <22633d8c-573c-add2-a65d-0240f73dd70a@bradakis.com> References: <22633d8c-573c-add2-a65d-0240f73dd70a@bradakis.com> Message-ID: >Mjb writes about 2 favorite kitchen tools. I want to share an experance. I HATE to cook. Being a 49 year old bachelor, you would think that I would have gotten over that by now, but NO. Then, in an auction lot I purchased for my store, there were some brand new high end (real high end) pots and pans. I needed a new frying pan as the "as seen on TV copper pan" I was using was garbage. So I took the frying pan and tried it. It made AWESOME eggs. They were so good, I started to try to cook other things. Now, I still hate to cook, but I don't mind it AS much if I'm using that pan. That pan has seen a lot of use over the past year since I got it, and I'm pretty protective of it. Funny how a tool can change us. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Tue Jun 2 08:14:12 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:14:12 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> Message-ID: >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox. I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some ideas. Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized. You can make a pallet just larger than the unit. I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal.) then bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the gearbox. I hope this makes sense. I would also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top. Let me know if you have any other quesitons. Thanks Mule "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejrussell at mebtel.net Tue Jun 2 08:44:34 2020 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:44:34 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: <6F5153F1-F06A-4656-A357-C3E152F521A1@icloud.com> References: <7e6e7067-8ff7-2c7b-d683-f3892053de1f@mebtel.net> <6F5153F1-F06A-4656-A357-C3E152F521A1@icloud.com> Message-ID: <05fee00e-1f0b-b2c6-ad88-6baac4ce1550@mebtel.net> Except last I heard ( a few weeks ago) Fastenal has put their shipping option on hold. Maybe due to the Covid 19 pandemic? EjR On 6/2/2020 10:04 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > Most folks don?t know about Fastenal so I try to get the word out. From dirtbeard at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 08:52:06 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:52:06 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool of the day - air jack Message-ID: Hi guys, I bought a pair of these this winter primarily for use with cars, but I really like the Zendex Rakjak two bag air jack. I have been using them for motorcycles as well. In the attached link to a photo where I am removing and reinstalling the rear wheel for my Sportster tire change, sliding the axle in through the swing arm, the disk brake, the belt adjusters, etc., always is a little tricky getting everything lined up height-wise while pushing the axle through. With the air jack, you can push the up/down buttons with one finger, raise or lower the lift by small fractions of an inch, and eyeball the axle alignment with the various components. The precision, smoothness, and controllability of the lifting is pretty amazing: https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=446D39C8B1E43758&id=446D39C8B1E43758%21166810&parId=446D39C8B1E43758%21166807&o=OneUp They are US-made, support 2 tons each, very well built, very fast lifting, good enough for professional shop use, all parts are replaceable, but they are pricey. If you were going to use it on trucks/vans/SUVs, I would recommend the three bag model as it would give you more lift. The three bag model probably would not fit under most sporty cars. Definitely not a necessity (sort of like changing tires on the floor versus the tire changer), but it makes jobs much easier with one man doing it, and is much faster. Downsides other than being pricey, they are a little wide and a little heavy, and do not have the lifting range that a trolley floor jack would have. I mostly got them to do car wheel removals when the car is on the lift (cannot use a floor jack), but have been using them instead of the floor jack even on the floor because they are so fast and easy. Not a necessity, maybe an indulgent luxury, but my tool of the day. Here is a video link from the manufacturer: https://shop.zendextool.com/RakJak%E2%84%A2-Air-Bag-Jack_c_23.html best, doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 09:17:33 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:17:33 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Regarding pallet size: If it's too small to grab with a fork lift or pallet jack, you're going to incite some harsh language. Just sayin'... On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM wrote: > >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox. > > I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some ideas. > > Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized. You can make a pallet > just larger than the unit. > > I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal.) then > bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the top > layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the > gearbox. > > I hope this makes sense. I would also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to > tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top. > > Let me know if you have any other quesitons. > > Thanks > > Mule > > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Wed Jun 3 19:14:14 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:14:14 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Window AC fan intermittent Message-ID: <8EC51563-EB14-4C09-822E-AAFDDC3F72B0@groupwbench.org> A friend got a nice mini split system and have me his Frigidaire window AC. Weird problem is, the compressor runs when needed, but the fan shuts off intermittently. Sometimes it'll blow for a few minutes, other times for a few seconds. How long it stops is intermittent too. The compressor will even happily run while the fan doesn't. Is this a normal broken situation that's easily diagnosed or am I in for a world of troubleshooting? thanks, jim From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 3 19:32:32 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:32:32 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Window AC fan intermittent In-Reply-To: <8EC51563-EB14-4C09-822E-AAFDDC3F72B0@groupwbench.org> References: <8EC51563-EB14-4C09-822E-AAFDDC3F72B0@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <6E89C29A-B5FF-455E-ACD0-9166A72C0AEC@icloud.com> Could be any number of problems. If the fan has multiple speeds, does the motor have multiple wires going to it or is the speed control done electronically? If there are multiple wires does the problem occur on all speeds? There should be a wiring diagram inside the unit somewhere. If so, shoot a picture of it & send it to me. Look at all the connections from the control board to the motor. A loose connection can cause this. If the connections are standard 1/4? quick disconnects you might try tightening the up a bit. Check for corrosion too. Connect a meter or light across the motor wires. See if the voltage is there when the motor is off. It might be a problem with the control board. If so, they can be relatively pricey for new. Check out eBay. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: ?A friend got a nice mini split system and have me his Frigidaire window AC. Weird problem is, the compressor runs when needed, but the fan shuts off intermittently. Sometimes it'll blow for a few minutes, other times for a few seconds. How long it stops is intermittent too. The compressor will even happily run while the fan doesn't. Is this a normal broken situation that's easily diagnosed or am I in for a world of troubleshooting? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From neiljsherry at talktalk.net Fri Jun 5 03:15:10 2020 From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (neiljsherry at talktalk.net) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:15:10 +0100 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Thanks for these comments - I ended up crating it - used some 3/4 plywood to make a base, top and two ends, connected with 2" angle iron bolted through and some thinner ply for the sides. Gearbox bolted to end (four boots in bellhousing) and rear mount bolted to base. Finally a pair of 4x2's for feet so it can be forked. Came in just under 70kg. Neil On 2 June 2020 16:17:33 BST, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >Regarding pallet size: If it's too small to grab with a fork lift or >pallet jack, you're going to incite some harsh language. Just >sayin'... > >On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM wrote: > >> >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox. >> >> I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some >ideas. >> >> Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized. You can make a >pallet >> just larger than the unit. >> >> I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal.) >then >> bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the >top >> layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points >on the >> gearbox. >> >> I hope this makes sense. I would also cut out some cardboard >pryrminds to >> tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top. >> >> Let me know if you have any other quesitons. >> >> Thanks >> >> Mule >> >> >> >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a >rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." >Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com >> >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Fri Jun 5 14:01:52 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:01:52 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Mobile Column Truck lifts Message-ID: Does anyone have a source/ connection etc with a Mobile Column Truck lift company or distributor? I am looking for a low end set (2 or 4) that doesn't need to lift more than 12Klbs. All of the ones I've researched are for serious commercial applications and priced accordingly. They are all meant to lift way more weight than I need. I was hoping there was an 'entry level' company/model or maybe a used/resale market for older ones that companies need to unload. It's for occasional use, but I don't mind dropping semi-serious cash on it. Does anyone know of something that fits this bill? Thanks. BTW, I know know how a 2 post 10K LBS lift will fail when you have a 10K lbs truck on it, and it is NOT how I would have expected. Yes, this is related. 8>( "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 14:28:51 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 13:28:51 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tools of the day - motorcycle lifts Message-ID: Hi guys, Since I primarily am a motorcycle person and have several old bikes to keep running, I have spent many years kneeling on concrete trying to access some lower portion of the bikes. Much like the tire changer and getting the work up to waist level, getting the motorcycle up in the air saves a great deal of kneeling on concrete and bending over for hours at a time. Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your body, etc. A couple years ago I bought a US-made Handy S.A.M.1,200 lb. pneumatic lift. It has an excellent wheel clamp that will not contact 320mm front disk rotors, thick powder-coated steel bed, lifts to about 40" or 42" inches high, grease zerks on all bearing surfaces, a "trap door" for removing a wheel, a nice, rugged foot pedal for controlling the lift, a full-width ramp for loading and unloading bikes, and has an airbag lifting mechanism instead of a pneumatic cylinder (faster lift and less maintenance). I am attaching a link to a photo of it in action: https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=446D39C8B1E43758&id=446D39C8B1E43758%21166815&parId=446D39C8B1E43758%21166807&o=OneUp I am showing it with a light race bike but it is stout enough for large Harleys. It is so much easier on the back and so much better for the eyes in finding leaks or working underneath the engine, etc. I am a better motorcycle mechanic because of the lift. I also enjoy the work much more. I should have bought one 20 or 30 years ago... best, doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Jun 6 12:35:18 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:35:18 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling Message-ID: <7A755FA4-5778-438A-9F74-4F55E8DA84DA@groupwbench.org> I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool. I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. thanks, jim From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Jun 6 12:41:44 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:41:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling In-Reply-To: <7A755FA4-5778-438A-9F74-4F55E8DA84DA@groupwbench.org> References: <7A755FA4-5778-438A-9F74-4F55E8DA84DA@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: Intrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode... > On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. > > Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool. > > I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > From markmiller at threeboysfarm.com Sat Jun 6 12:59:12 2020 From: markmiller at threeboysfarm.com (Mark Miller) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 11:59:12 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] tool of the day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b5e0f13-be2b-76ea-4c7c-80483a769225@threeboysfarm.com> You mention reading glasses.? I can't see well out of the partial lens reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens. These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they have a full range of strengths): Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr Cotton Fabric Fixed 24" Breakaway Cord Black, Blue, Red, Yellow 9137T4 5.10 -- Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller at threeboysfarm.com > From: old dirtbeard > > > Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for > everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your > body, etc. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Jun 6 15:57:27 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 16:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] tool of the day In-Reply-To: <3b5e0f13-be2b-76ea-4c7c-80483a769225@threeboysfarm.com> References: <3b5e0f13-be2b-76ea-4c7c-80483a769225@threeboysfarm.com> Message-ID: <3CC451DD-4B17-42D0-A4A5-6019B398DD6F@icloud.com> I like my progressive prescription Safety glasses most Of the time but resort to drug store readers some times. A professional mechanic had trouble using bifocals of any type while working under vehicles on a lift until he ordered a pair of glasses with the close vision at the top! Sounds like a great idea but it seems like it would take getting used to. I?ll stick to readers while under the car. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Mark Miller wrote: ? You mention reading glasses. I can't see well out of the partial lens reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens. These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they have a full range of strengths): Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr Cotton Fabric Fixed 24" Breakaway Cord Black, Blue, Red, Yellow 9137T4 5.10 -- Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller at threeboysfarm.com > From: old dirtbeard > > > Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for > everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your > body, etc. > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Jun 6 16:00:27 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 17:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14548127-0C6B-4A14-9DED-E2D297215CD1@icloud.com> Could be almost anything. Time for some troubleshooting. I?m quite willing to help. BTW, did the message I sent out on this several days ago make it? I don?t recall seeing it. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: ?Intrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode... > On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. > > Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool. > > I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From peterwmurray at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 19:04:05 2020 From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 21:04:05 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling In-Reply-To: <14548127-0C6B-4A14-9DED-E2D297215CD1@icloud.com> References: <14548127-0C6B-4A14-9DED-E2D297215CD1@icloud.com> Message-ID: I saw the prior thread where Pat gave several suggestions. Jim - If you hook your multi-meter to the power leads for the fan, what do you see? It'll tell you if it is a problem internal to the fan, or if it is elsewhere. -Peter On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pat Horne wrote: > Could be almost anything. Time for some troubleshooting. I?m quite willing > to help. > > BTW, did the message I sent out on this several days ago make it? I don?t > recall seeing it. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > ?Intrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode... > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > > > I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, > then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All > the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. > > > > Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? > Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd > like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and > b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm > not on that, I'm on regular cool. > > > > I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, > maybe a bit more. > > > > thanks, > > jim > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Tue Jun 2 07:50:02 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: <41cefc83-d39e-4856-1944-bec865925943@mebtel.net> References: <41cefc83-d39e-4856-1944-bec865925943@mebtel.net> Message-ID: +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125. Quite a good deal. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell wrote: ? I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it. > On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: > Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done? > Thanks > Neil -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejrussell at mebtel.net Tue Jun 2 08:00:40 2020 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:00:40 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: References: <41cefc83-d39e-4856-1944-bec865925943@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <7e6e7067-8ff7-2c7b-d683-f3892053de1f@mebtel.net> Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland though... EjR On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia > to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125. > On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > > I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal > truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For > shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier > for the shipper to move it. > > On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: >> >> Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * >> best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how >> to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, >> strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not >> fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done? >> >> Thanks >> >> Neil >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Tue Jun 2 08:04:33 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:04:33 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox In-Reply-To: <7e6e7067-8ff7-2c7b-d683-f3892053de1f@mebtel.net> References: <7e6e7067-8ff7-2c7b-d683-f3892053de1f@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <6F5153F1-F06A-4656-A357-C3E152F521A1@icloud.com> Picky, picky! Most folks don?t know about Fastenal so I try to get the word out. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Eric Russell wrote: ? Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland though... EjR > On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125. > On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it. > > On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: >> Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done? >> Thanks >> Neil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parkanzky at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 12:00:28 2020 From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 14:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop air line pressure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen people put a male quick connect on one side of a regulator and a female on the other side. Then they can put it on whatever drop they're using that they want to turn the pressure down at. So you could install one permanently if there is somewhere you know you'll always want it and have a portable one for other usage. -Paul On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:49 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > I could see where this would be optimal, but that would be seven separate regulators for my garage. > > Best, > > des > (mobile) > > From stanb at panix.com Wed Jun 10 09:04:45 2020 From: stanb at panix.com (stan) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:04:45 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? Message-ID: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and hope? ... -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Jun 10 09:12:35 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:12:35 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> Message-ID: <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> I think your best bet is a tender (I?ve had good results with BatteryMinder). The BM claims it can resurrect some dead batteries with pulses to break up sulfation; I?d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it does come back to life leave the tender on; starting a car and running at idle just to top up the battery is bad for the engine. Bob > On Jun 10, 2020, at 8:05 AM, stan wrote: > > ? friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she > was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this > vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start > the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this > did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, > no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did > not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. > > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. > > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jem at milleredp.com Wed Jun 10 09:33:28 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:33:28 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 6/10/2020 8:12 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > I think your best bet is a tender (I?ve had good results with > BatteryMinder). The BM claims it can resurrect /some /dead batteries > with pulses to break up sulfation; I?d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it > does come back to life leave the tender on; starting a car and running > at idle just to top up the battery is bad for the engine. The recovery/desulfating mode on some chargers work very well, and on some it's a joke. I've got a NOCO Genius 7200 that works well, the main thing is that if the battery is completely dead the 12V repair cycle won't even activate, you've got to charge it on the 6V setting until it gets just enough voltage for the charger to see it. John. From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 10 10:01:20 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:01:20 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> Message-ID: <074354AA-893A-4AA3-837D-B8DCF70AF9AD@icloud.com> The battery shouldn?t have discharged completely after a few months. Take it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement should be in warranty. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan wrote: ? friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and hope? ... -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From jem at milleredp.com Wed Jun 10 10:04:29 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:04:29 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <074354AA-893A-4AA3-837D-B8DCF70AF9AD@icloud.com> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <074354AA-893A-4AA3-837D-B8DCF70AF9AD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1729ef9c6c8.27d2.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com> This is humor, right? With any recent vehicle the parasitic loads will kill the battery in 6-8 weeks. John. On June 10, 2020 9:01:35 AM Pat Horne wrote: > The battery shouldn?t have discharged completely after a few months. Take > it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement > should be in warranty. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan wrote: > > ? friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she > was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this > vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start > the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this > did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, > no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did > not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. > > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. > > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jem at milleredp.com From dirtbeard at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 10:06:16 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:06:16 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <074354AA-893A-4AA3-837D-B8DCF70AF9AD@icloud.com> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <074354AA-893A-4AA3-837D-B8DCF70AF9AD@icloud.com> Message-ID: I completely agree with Pat. It should have a date on it and will be warranted for X months after the purchase. She probably can just get a free battery in exchange if they cannot revive it at the store. best, doug On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:01 AM Pat Horne wrote: > The battery shouldn?t have discharged completely after a few months. Take > it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement > should be in warranty. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan wrote: > > ? friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while > she > was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this > vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start > the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this > did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, > no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did > not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. > > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. > > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejrussell at mebtel.net Wed Jun 10 10:06:52 2020 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> Message-ID: <0b6923f2-3cd0-4a9f-5fec-80f71d1d8c10@mebtel.net> Does the battery have a warantee? If it will not hold a charge you might be able to get it replaced. Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 6/10/2020 11:04 AM, stan wrote: > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. > > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 10 11:00:50 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <1729ef9c6c8.27d2.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com> References: <1729ef9c6c8.27d2.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com> Message-ID: <653BBB87-B313-4B30-9457-4F29FA024156@icloud.com> Possibly. I am partial to older vehicles that don?t have a lot of electronics. My newest vehicle is almost 20 years old, oldest 55 years old. I don?t have battery problems on either of them even after 2 months. Haven?t tried longer. That aside, take it back to see what they say. Doesn?t cost anything. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:05 AM, John Miller wrote: ?This is humor, right? With any recent vehicle the parasitic loads will kill the battery in 6-8 weeks. John. > On June 10, 2020 9:01:35 AM Pat Horne wrote: > > The battery shouldn?t have discharged completely after a few months. Take it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement should be in warranty. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan wrote: > > ? friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she > was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this > vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start > the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this > did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, > no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did > not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. > > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. > > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jem at milleredp.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From eric at megageek.com Wed Jun 10 11:15:08 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:15:08 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurrecting a totally dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> Message-ID: Ok, two things to try here, this is the FIRST and LAST options (different batteries tenders are all the steps in between.) FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a warrantee. Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how to) test the battery and just give you a new one. LAST thing to try, before buying a new battery. WARNING- if you are a eco-warrior, you may want to skip this! I know the thought of this may be re*volt*ing! 8>) If the battery is not a sealed battery, dump all the battery acid out of the core. Refill with normal water and rise it out a couple of times. Note, recover ALL the water as it is hazardous. Once cleaned out, fill with battery acid and put on charger. There is about a 50% chance of this restoring even a sulfated battery this way. Dispose of the waste water properly. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jem at milleredp.com Wed Jun 10 11:37:08 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurrecting a totally dead battery ? In-Reply-To: References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> Message-ID: > FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a > warrantee. ?Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how > to) test the battery and just give you a new one. One thing I've learned over the years - buy a battery from some place convenient. My nearest Wally is twenty miles away, and the returns desk/line is often absurd. I'll happily pay $10 more to deal with the Autozone three miles away, we also have a Costco even closer but they're limited in sizes. I don't EVER buy anything from Walmart that might have to go back. John. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 11 08:32:11 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:32:11 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Message-ID: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.? At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption.? We shall see. Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars. It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.? It comes with a plastic slab as the floor.? What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good?? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?? That will likely cost more than the shed! mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 044365026343.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 28039 bytes Desc: not available URL: From neiljsherry at talktalk.net Thu Jun 11 08:55:24 2020 From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (Neil Sherry) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:55:24 +0100 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <04ca01d64000$56cdbdb0$04693910$@talktalk.net> Depends how long term it is - if there's a chance it won't be there long, you could just scrape back and drop it in. What I have done with sectional wooden sheds is to put down some concrete paving slabs (normally 2 foot squares) just laid on sand, to give a decent base that is quick to do and easy to move or get rid of as needs change. I know it might sink, but it's been good enough. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: 11 June 2020 15:32 To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit. At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption. We shall see. Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars. It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep. It comes with a plastic slab as the floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed! mjb. From patintexas at icloud.com Thu Jun 11 08:55:49 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <425DAAE9-4D31-4AE0-9701-CFC427491BF5@icloud.com> Mark, It depends on the soil & the construction of the plastic floor. If you have hard soil that doesn?t move around or get very soft when wet & the floor has a bottom rather than just sides which would make it a good cookie cutter, I?d just put it on the dirt. I?d try to pick a spot where the dirt is a bit higher so it in the middle of a lake. Another foundation is to use pavers under the floor. They would be a lot cheaper than a slab & can be relocated or releveled as needed. A poured pad may require a permit. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: ?First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit. At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption. We shall see. Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars. It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep. It comes with a plastic slab as the floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed! mjb. <044365026343.jpg> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From eric at megageek.com Thu Jun 11 09:11:17 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:11:17 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I've installed and moved these types of sheds. in fact, i have one on my gun range to hold targets. As long as the ground is level, it's fine, but it must be pretty level or it will not go together correctly. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 11 09:27:25 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:27:25 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> I had earlier thought of A/C condenser pads as a mounting base, but I think the basic concrete pavers squares will be fine. Pouring a slab is verging on overkill, if I want to move the shed a few years down the line, the slab would not be something you could just pick up and move with it.? I may just go with a couple of buckets of pea gravel spread out and leveled. mjb. ps: I'm glad I am getting responses, the network is working thus far, happy about that. From pj_thomas at comcast.net Thu Jun 11 09:44:59 2020 From: pj_thomas at comcast.net (Peter J. Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:44:59 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Buy a big bag of portland cement. After leveling the dirt, water it them mix the bag of cement to about 4 inches.? Tamp it down.? You have now made soil cement. On 6/11/2020 10:32 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, > switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.? At the > moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service > disruption.? We shall see. > > Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am > planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough > to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the > garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need > the room to actually get some work done on my cars. > > It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.? It comes with a plastic slab > as the floor.? What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the > dirt that is fairly level and call it good?? Or go all the way and > have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a > foundation?? That will likely cost more than the shed! > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 11 09:54:40 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1336648283.1966648.1591890880936@mail.yahoo.com> We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim it up to get the doors to work.? These are light, durable and inexpensive but not very sturdy.? You can probably get by with scraping the dirt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may have to tug the get the doors open and closed. Still might be less work than pouring a slab. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.? At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption.? We shall see. Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars. It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.? It comes with a plastic slab as the floor.? What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good?? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?? That will likely cost more than the shed! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at dougbraun.com Thu Jun 11 09:58:24 2020 From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:58:24 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber. It was sunk partly into the ground on one side to make it level. It has worked out fine. (I should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling.) Doug On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis wrote: > First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, > switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit. At the > moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service > disruption. We shall see. > > Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am > planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to > hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden > stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to > actually get some work done on my cars. > > It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep. It comes with a plastic slab as > the floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt > that is fairly level and call it good? Or go all the way and have a > small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? > That will likely cost more than the shed! > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug at dougbraun.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 11 10:00:53 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.? Pea gravel will flow and will not be as stable.? Ask me how I know. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 10:27 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? I had earlier thought of A/C condenser pads as a mounting base, but I think the basic concrete pavers squares will be fine. Pouring a slab is verging on overkill, if I want to move the shed a few years down the line, the slab would not be something you could just pick up and move with it.? I may just go with a couple of buckets of pea gravel spread out and leveled. mjb. ps: I'm glad I am getting responses, the network is working thus far, happy about that. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 11 10:18:54 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:18:54 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.? Pea gravel > will flow and will not be as stable.? Ask me how I know. > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. mjb. From jblair1948 at cox.net Thu Jun 11 10:19:48 2020 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:19:48 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20200611121912.04d2a1c8@cox.net> At 10:32 AM 6/11/2020, you wrote: >Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning >getting a plastic garden shed..... >It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.? It comes with a plastic slab as the >floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level >and call it good? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab >professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed! Mark, As to the concrete slab, I don't know what the regulations are where you live. Here in Virginia Beach, there are a couple of regulations that apply. 1. If you put down a slab, it's considered a permanent structure. Consiquently, you will need a building permit. 2. If you get a permit, you will have to worry about: a. how far it is from your property lines b. what percentage of you "green" area is covered. This can be a show stopper, especially if you have a pool, and or a deck. 3. As someone pointed out, does it get standing water & very soggy where you plan on putting the shed? When I erected my vinyl shed, I put it in the back corner of my yard. Unfortunately, we'd get standing water there. So I used some garden timbers and made an enclosure slightly larger than the base of my shed. Then I filled it with crush-n-run (gravel) and topped it off with dirt and a vapor barrier. Then I used solid cynder block for the floor. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." 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Instead, I took two 3/4? 4X8 sheets of pressure treated plywood and screwed them onto a couple of p/t 2x4?s to form a base. I shimmed the whole thing until it was sort of level and then built the shed on top of that. The doors have never opened and closed properly and it has gotten worse over time as the makeshift foundation conforms to the ground below it. I agree that a poured foundation is probably overkill, but it would definitely be worth spending the time to make sure the shed sits on a compacted, FLAT, LEVEL surface. Jim > On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > > Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber. It was sunk partly into the ground on one side to make it level. It has worked out fine. (I should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling.) > > Doug > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis > wrote: > First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, > switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit. At the > moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service > disruption. We shall see. > > Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am > planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to > hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden > stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to > actually get some work done on my cars. > > It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep. It comes with a plastic slab as > the floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt > that is fairly level and call it good? Or go all the way and have a > small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? > That will likely cost more than the shed! > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug at dougbraun.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parkanzky at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:38:01 2020 From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:38:01 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I'd recommend crushed concrete. Way, way cheaper than a lot of other options and it locks together really well and sheds water. I've used it to pave a large parking pad for trailers and other equipment and I was really happy with it. It would be perfect for a shed base. I just purchased a building (my new shop!) with a 12x48 lean-to and I'm planning to grade underneath the lean-to and pave that and the approaches to the building with crushed concrete. -Paul On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base. Pea gravel > > will flow and will not be as stable. Ask me how I know. > > > > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. > > mjb. > > From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 11 14:46:54 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <12023946.2096784.1591908414079@mail.yahoo.com> Anything with sharp edges will be better than river rock.? River rock has smooth edges and corners and don't lock.? It will settle and flow.? If you can get crushed granite it will be great. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 11:18 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.? Pea gravel > will flow and will not be as stable.? Ask me how I know. > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk13 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 11 17:23:42 2020 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:23:42 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <653BBB87-B313-4B30-9457-4F29FA024156@icloud.com> References: <1729ef9c6c8.27d2.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com> <653BBB87-B313-4B30-9457-4F29FA024156@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0a95b50d-658a-92bf-138a-e09f20cff72e@earthlink.net> I like old vehicles too.? My 1973 Triumph GT6 will kill a battery in under two weeks.? I added a battery disconnect until I eventually get around to finding the leak. On 6/10/2020 10:00 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > Possibly. I am partial to older vehicles that don?t have a lot of electronics. My newest vehicle is almost 20 years old, oldest 55 years old. I don?t have battery problems on either of them even after 2 months. Haven?t tried longer. > > That aside, take it back to see what they say. Doesn?t cost anything. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:05 AM, John Miller wrote: > > ?This is humor, right? > > With any recent vehicle the parasitic loads will kill the battery in 6-8 weeks. > > John. > >> On June 10, 2020 9:01:35 AM Pat Horne wrote: >> >> The battery shouldn?t have discharged completely after a few months. Take it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement should be in warranty. >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> Pat Horne >> We support Habitat for Humanity >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan wrote: >> >> ? friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she >> was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this >> vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start >> the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this >> did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, >> no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did >> not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. >> >> I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. >> >> What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ >> Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and >> hope? ... >> >> -- >> "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve >> neither liberty nor safety." >> -- Benjamin Franklin >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jem at milleredp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > From fishplate at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 06:15:29 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 08:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark J Bradakis wrote: > On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base. Pea gravel > > will flow and will not be as stable. Ask me how I know. > > > > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. > Crushed lava? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Fri Jun 12 18:45:28 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:45:28 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Message-ID: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger he bought for post hole digging. It has a 7/8" round shaft with a pin through it that drives the auger. I'd like to adapt that to the impact socket but I can't find an adapter. Am I Googling wrong or is that something that likely doesn't exist? thanks, jim From patintexas at icloud.com Fri Jun 12 20:17:47 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 21:17:47 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: How about welding the socket to a piece of pipe that will fit over the auger shaft.? I?d be a bit concerned that the auger would pull out of your hands unless it has a clutch. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 12, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: ?I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger he bought for post hole digging. It has a 7/8" round shaft with a pin through it that drives the auger. I'd like to adapt that to the impact socket but I can't find an adapter. Am I Googling wrong or is that something that likely doesn't exist? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From nick at landform.co.uk Sat Jun 13 02:32:02 2020 From: nick at landform.co.uk (nick brearley) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:32:02 +0100 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <2ff85c77-954b-fafb-eb73-06a2ec18f6e4@landform.co.uk> Excuse the metrication, comes with being the other side of the Pond. Just been out to the shop to look at a set of impact sockets, metric not imperial, and I wonder if you could make up a 7/8 inch bore sleeve to take the socket or a 1/2 square adapter. 7/8 inch equals 22.225mm. My 13mm socket (pretty close to 1/2 inch) is 24mm o.d. and a 1/2 inch extension bar is 22.1mm o.d. I have a feeling tool dimensions are pretty similar worldwide so it could be worth your while checking some measurements. Looking at the Snapon catalogue I see that a 1/2 inch thin wall impact socket has an o.d. of 7/8 inch so should fit ok. You would have to drill and pin the socket or extension with a 1/4 inch ht bolt or similar. Cheapest way round the problem I can see. Maybe not the Snapon component but possibly some research will turn up a cheaper alternative. The thin wall aspect makes the difference. Good luck. Nick Brearley On 13/06/2020 01:45, Jim Franklin wrote: > I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger he bought for post hole digging. It has a 7/8" round shaft with a pin through it that drives the auger. I'd like to adapt that to the impact socket but I can't find an adapter. Am I Googling wrong or is that something that likely doesn't exist? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nick at landform.co.uk > From dmscheidt at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 07:28:18 2020 From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> > On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform a regular tool. > From lee at automate-it.com Sat Jun 13 11:00:27 2020 From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> Message-ID: <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll be glad you did. Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc - Lee On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: > >> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >> >> >> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger > > > A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air > impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? > > Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator > as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform > a regular tool. >> From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Jun 13 11:32:52 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 13:32:52 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> Message-ID: <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one. jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > > I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't > want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll > be glad you did. > > Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - > makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc > - Lee > > On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: >> >>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger >> >> >> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air >> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? >> >> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator >> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform >> a regular tool. >>> From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Jun 13 12:30:10 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that... Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough and lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too much to just pour a slab. jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. > > I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one. > > jim > >> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: >> >> I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't >> want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll >> be glad you did. >> >> Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - >> makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc >> - Lee >> >> On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >>>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >>>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >>>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger >>> >>> >>> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air >>> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? >>> >>> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator >>> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform >>> a regular tool. >>>> > From strovato at optonline.net Sat Jun 13 13:43:41 2020 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:43:41 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: Are we talking about rocks that could conceivably be dug up with a backhoe? If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and deep, you can fill in the extra with gravel. If we are talking about solid rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the rock. Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas. If this operation requires a permit, I would consult with the building inspector. He will have ideas on the right way to do it. His way is automatically the right way and the way that he will sign off on! -Steve At 02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote: >Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the >webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that... > >Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against >destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from >hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough >and lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too >much to just pour a slab. > >jim -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Jun 13 15:12:08 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:12:08 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <3DF0F0CB-359F-4E45-8311-C52B715D259F@icloud.com> References: <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <3DF0F0CB-359F-4E45-8311-C52B715D259F@icloud.com> Message-ID: <65185257-2930-47D6-8485-8D191E545A69@groupwbench.org> That is a great idea Pat. I often have a bunch of nailing at once then a gap, giving the tanks a chance to recover. jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > > I got around low air flow on a small pancake air compressor I use on a Habitat construction site to run air nailers. I just add a second tank near where air is needed with a hose to the compressor. I used a 20 gallon propane tank but any tank that will stand the pressure will work. Helps quite a bit. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > ?Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. > > I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one. > > jim > >> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: >> >> I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't >> want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll >> be glad you did. >> >> Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - >> makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc >> - Lee >> >>> On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >>>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >>>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >>>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger >>> >>> >>> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air >>> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? >>> >>> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator >>> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform >>> a regular tool. >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com > From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sat Jun 13 15:19:11 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:19:11 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <727293EE-8E8E-47E3-9D81-CAE6A96A24EA@groupwbench.org> Yes, definitely all backhoe movable. Very little in life that can't be solved with a backhoe :-) I found RediFooting: https://www.redifooting.com/why-redi-footing If I'm resigned to digging a hole with an auger, this beats the whole concrete sonotube circus. And a bunch of folks on the Journsal of Light Construction like them, which is always a nod to something's viability for me. Still open to ideas though, rental shop is closed until Monday morning... jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > > Are we talking about rocks that could conceivably be dug up with a backhoe? If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and deep, you can fill in the extra with gravel. If we are talking about solid rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the rock. Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas. If this operation requires a permit, I would consult with the building inspector. He will have ideas on the right way to do it. His way is automatically the right way and the way that he will sign off on! > > -Steve > > At 02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote: >> Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that... >> >> Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough and lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too much to just pour a slab. >> >> jim > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 10:05:25 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > > Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against > destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes? I'm trying to figure out what part of the world has hurricane winds and big frost heaving... But I haven't been everywhere yet. What about digging down to the large rock and epoxying some rebar in holes in it. Then cut the bottom of your Sonotube to fit the rock, and pour a pier? Is the big rock going anywhere in a hurricane? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. P.S. Maybe a wing on the deck will help with downforce. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sun Jun 14 11:10:43 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: > On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Franklin > wrote: > > Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes? > > I'm trying to figure out what part of the world has hurricane winds and big frost heaving... But I haven't been everywhere yet. The northeast, in a belt where we're close enough to the ocean for its storms but far enough that we can have long stretches of sub-freezing temps. > > What about digging down to the large rock It's not a ledge, they're all pieces of New Hampshire that were put into a rock tumbler for a few millenia. > > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > > P.S. Maybe a wing on the deck will help with downforce. That's a neat idea from an engineering perspective, but I can't help but think you were influenced by the local entertainment culture ;-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sun Jun 14 14:09:08 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:09:08 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep Message-ID: <83ef4a6c-433d-41af-c43c-4d7c0a574c9a@comcast.net> Listers, I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. TIA, Bob From bk13 at earthlink.net Sun Jun 14 22:42:13 2020 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:42:13 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep In-Reply-To: <83ef4a6c-433d-41af-c43c-4d7c0a574c9a@comcast.net> References: <83ef4a6c-433d-41af-c43c-4d7c0a574c9a@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7dc7844e-ab95-a18e-f785-d463360be336@earthlink.net> Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier what they recommend?? I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.? I did this on a second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy paint.? Still looks good after 20+ years. Here is a sample product that looks like what I used: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369 or https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348 Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions.? Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal: https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel Brian On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > Listers, > > I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using > Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on > the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? > I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note the > iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Jun 15 10:16:22 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:16:22 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep In-Reply-To: <7dc7844e-ab95-a18e-f785-d463360be336@earthlink.net> References: <83ef4a6c-433d-41af-c43c-4d7c0a574c9a@comcast.net> <7dc7844e-ab95-a18e-f785-d463360be336@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who works for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw steel, so I think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an acetone follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a rattle-can paint job, so nothing fancy. I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the environmentalists might have taken issue with it. Bob On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier > what they recommend?? I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser > then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.? I did this on a > second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy > paint.? Still looks good after 20+ years. > > Here is a sample product that looks like what I used: > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369 > > or > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348 > > > Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions.? > Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal: > https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel > > Brian > > On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: >> Listers, >> >> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using >> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on >> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? >> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note >> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. >> >> TIA, >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net >> > From dhlocker at comcast.net Mon Jun 15 15:43:52 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:43:52 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep In-Reply-To: References: <83ef4a6c-433d-41af-c43c-4d7c0a574c9a@comcast.net> <7dc7844e-ab95-a18e-f785-d463360be336@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something else] and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote: > Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who works > for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw steel, so I > think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an acetone > follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a rattle-can > paint job, so nothing fancy. > > I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any > products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the > environmentalists might have taken issue with it. > Bob > > On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: >> Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier >> what they recommend?? I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser >> then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.? I did this on a >> second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy >> paint.? Still looks good after 20+ years. >> >> Here is a sample product that looks like what I used: >> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369 >> >> or >> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348 >> >> >> Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions.? >> Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal: >> https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel >> >> >> Brian >> >> On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: >>> Listers, >>> >>> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using >>> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on >>> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? >>> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note >>> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. >>> >>> TIA, >>> Bob >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation? $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker at comcast.net > From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Jun 15 19:50:02 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 18:50:02 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep In-Reply-To: References: <83ef4a6c-433d-41af-c43c-4d7c0a574c9a@comcast.net> <7dc7844e-ab95-a18e-f785-d463360be336@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <102462cb-e5dc-069a-b081-a345aebe692c@comcast.net> I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing required (the gate is in dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their website claimed and Lowe's wasn't much better but I found enough to do the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody decided to re-paint everything while on 'lockdown?' Bob On 6/15/2020 2:43 PM, Donald H Locker wrote: > Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has > unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple > Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something else] > and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant. > > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ > > On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote: >> Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who works >> for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw steel, so I >> think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an acetone >> follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a rattle-can >> paint job, so nothing fancy. >> >> I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any >> products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the >> environmentalists might have taken issue with it. >> Bob >> >> On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: >>> Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier >>> what they recommend?? I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser >>> then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.? I did this on a >>> second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy >>> paint.? Still looks good after 20+ years. >>> >>> Here is a sample product that looks like what I used: >>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369 >>> >>> or >>> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348 >>> >>> >>> Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions. >>> Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal: >>> https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel >>> >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: >>>> Listers, >>>> >>>> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using >>>> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on >>>> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? >>>> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note >>>> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. >>>> >>>> TIA, >>>> Bob >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation? $12.96 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker at comcast.net >> From rande90 at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 20:26:54 2020 From: rande90 at gmail.com (RandE) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 21:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep In-Reply-To: <102462cb-e5dc-069a-b081-a345aebe692c@comcast.net> References: <83ef4a6c-433d-41af-c43c-4d7c0a574c9a@comcast.net> <7dc7844e-ab95-a18e-f785-d463360be336@earthlink.net> <102462cb-e5dc-069a-b081-a345aebe692c@comcast.net> Message-ID: Protestors need it for the graffiti art. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:00 PM Bob Spidell wrote: > I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing required (the gate is in > dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper > for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their > website claimed and Lowe's wasn't much better but I found enough to do > the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several > groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody > decided to re-paint everything while on 'lockdown?' > > Bob > > On 6/15/2020 2:43 PM, Donald H Locker wrote: > > Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has > > unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple > > Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something else] > > and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant. > > > > Donald. > > -- > > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > > /\ > > > > On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote: > >> Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who works > >> for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw steel, so I > >> think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an acetone > >> follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a rattle-can > >> paint job, so nothing fancy. > >> > >> I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any > >> products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the > >> environmentalists might have taken issue with it. > >> Bob > >> > >> On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > >>> Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier > >>> what they recommend? I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser > >>> then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product. I did this on a > >>> second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy > >>> paint. Still looks good after 20+ years. > >>> > >>> Here is a sample product that looks like what I used: > >>> > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369 > >>> > >>> or > >>> > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348 > >>> > >>> > >>> Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions. > >>> Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal: > >>> > https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel > >>> > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > >>>> Listers, > >>>> > >>>> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using > >>>> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on > >>>> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? > >>>> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note > >>>> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. > >>>> > >>>> TIA, > >>>> Bob > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net > >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 > >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive > >>>> > >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > >> http://autox.team.net/archive > >> > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker at comcast.net > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rande at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Tue Jun 16 06:43:08 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:43:08 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] websites question and plastic automotive body clips rant Message-ID: Hello all, QUESTION- I just finished an extensive 6 week restore of a 2003 F350 with a large dump bed. For a work truck, it looks awesome! I wanted to share some of the photos and story on a web page, I was hoping that someone knows of a good format for the web page (or template) for a project like this. I don't want to just have a web page that is a mile long to scroll down, nor do I want a 100 clicks to see the content. Anyone know of a website were someone put together a good looking page to describe a project like this? I run my own web server, so I don't need a space like wix to host it, and I'm not above 'borrowing' code. 8>) RANT- What is the deal with these plastic body clips? I mean, I understand that they are cheap and help assemble cars fast, I'm on board with that. But why do they need a million different types for 2 basic functions in only about 3 sizes? Seriously, I was trying to replace the broken clips on this truck, and it's a nightmare! Flipping through well designed books at the local NAPA, I saw that almost all these clips are 1 of maybe 2 or 3 sizes. They ether hold 2 pieces together in a straight through fashion, or they are for a blind install. I ended up just buying a bunch of what they had lying around and using whatever one fit and it was fine. My only guess is that each auto company "patents" their clips so no one else can use them. I think I'm going to make a 'universal' clip and stop this nonsense. It does make me long for the older cars with screws! RANT OFF. Mule "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." 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URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 12:30:48 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] websites question and plastic automotive body clips rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:24 AM wrote: > Anyone know of a website were someone put together a good looking page > to describe a project like this? I run my own web server, so I don't need a > space like wix to host it, and I'm not above 'borrowing' code. 8>) > > If you run your own server, I assume you have some familiarity with HTML.. When I've done pages like that, I set all my pictures in a subfolder, and create thumbnails that go in the folder with the page index file. Display the thumbnails in a table in the left column and explanatory text in the right column, and link the thumbnails to the full-size photo. Se, for instance, http://fishplate.org/vehicles/spitfire/FM72xxx/ > RANT- > What is the deal with these plastic body clips? Possibly, some are "legacy" parts - something that keeps getting used year after year, even as new clips must be designed for other uses (to become legacies themselves...) Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwil at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 17 14:55:07 2020 From: rwil at sbcglobal.net (rwil at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:55:07 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out References: <3m0lefd52pf90g5trt3a0r6graihjv46gg.ref@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3m0lefd52pf90g5trt3a0r6graihjv46gg@4ax.com> (forwarding to the list because I didn't check 'reply all') >Wow! Having spent parts of 22 years doing something pretty similar to >an Austin Healey I can appreciate every step, including the oopses. >Thanks for the trip. >-Roland > >On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:05:41 -0400, you wrote: > >>I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. >>Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the >>first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there. >> >>https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm >> >>Let me know what you think. >> >> >>"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >>being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >>Waldo Emerson >>-Who is John Galt? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 17 15:25:40 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:25:40 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3483C647-9EC2-4EE3-95D1-D639D490E934@icloud.com> Very good amount of work getting that truck ready. I?m doing a frame off on a 1967.5 Datsun roadster but I?m not doing the body. Someone else is taking care of that. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 17, 2020, at 2:53 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: ?I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there. https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm Let me know what you think. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jblair1948 at cox.net Wed Jun 17 15:55:42 2020 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:55:42 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20200617175326.04a4c1f8@cox.net> At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote: >I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. Check it out. >This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next >arrow from there. > >https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm > >Let me know what you think. Eric, Very impressive!!!! Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab? If so, that is unbelieveable!!! That's something I wished I'd learned how to do. My hat's off to you. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 18:19:43 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:19:43 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM wrote: > > Let me know what you think. I don't do body work.. This is why. My hat is off to you.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Wed Jun 17 19:05:27 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:05:27 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20200617175326.04a4c1f8@cox.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20200617175326.04a4c1f8@cox.net> Message-ID: John asked: >Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab? I bought what panels I could. That was both corners,driver's inner, driver's front kick panel, and the one door bottom (I needed both door bottoms and the inner for both as well.) I couldn't get any passenger side kick or rockers, so I bought two driver's side and cut one up to work. I made the pass. Inner, both floorboards, lots of the kick plates/rockers for the rear of the cab and many other pieces. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Wed Jun 17 19:42:02 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such In-Reply-To: <20200618013911.62449A0C92@autox.team.net> References: <20200618013911.62449A0C92@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <391107A2-0B43-467F-978A-6F3AA9587666@icloud.com> I don?t answer a call if I don?t recognize the number. Let it go to voicemail. I know the calls are a pain but even a little bit helps. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 PM, john niolon wrote: ? anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between 4:30 and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 numbers and different caller id names, but the same " debt forgiveness" recorded message... if you hit a number to talk to someone to complain they just hang up? I can't find a way to stop them... looking for suggestions john Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jem at milleredp.com Wed Jun 17 19:50:06 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 18:50:06 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20200617175326.04a4c1f8@cox.net> Message-ID: On 6/17/2020 6:05 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > John asked: > >Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner > rounds at the back of the cab? > > I bought what panels I could. ?That was both corners,driver's inner, > driver's front kick panel, and ?the one door bottom (I needed both door > bottoms and the inner for both as well.) > > ?I couldn't get any passenger side kick or rockers, so I bought two > driver's side and cut one up to work. > > I made the pass. Inner, both floorboards, lots of the kick > plates/rockers for the rear of the cab and many other pieces. We're not worthy. But damn, I wish I had that much space to work with. John. From stearman809 at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 19:50:13 2020 From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such In-Reply-To: <20200618013810.451E4A0C3B@autox.team.net> References: <20200618013810.451E4A0C3B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <172c51e8c08.28bf.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com> NoMoRobo It's free On June 17, 2020 8:38:10 PM john niolon wrote: > anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between 4:30 > and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 numbers > and different caller id names, but the same " debt forgiveness" recorded > message... if you hit a number to talk to someone to complain they just > hang up? I can't find a way to stop them... looking for suggestions > > john > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jem at milleredp.com Wed Jun 17 20:06:16 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:06:16 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such In-Reply-To: <20200618013852.A0D75A0C68@autox.team.net> References: <20200618013852.A0D75A0C68@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On 6/17/2020 6:37 PM, john niolon wrote: > anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between > 4:30 and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 > numbers? and different caller id names, ?but the same " debt > forgiveness" recorded message... if you hit a number to talk to someone > to complain they just hang up? I can't find a way to stop them... > looking for suggestions All my spam is in Chinese. I don't answer most calls from numbers I don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam' button somewhere. We've got NoMoRobo hooked up to the house xfinity voip, which usually means it rings once and goes away. Haven't yet added it to my cell. I use a Google Voice number about half the time anyway. John. From steve at leatherplates.com Wed Jun 17 22:58:20 2020 From: steve at leatherplates.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:58:20 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Message-ID: Cleaning up old storage during the C-19 times. Found this packed away, don?t remember ever using it...but them why do I have it? I have some ideas, but I?m hoping for a definitive answer. It certainly appears that there are parts missing........ Super thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: What Tool Is It 1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 106836 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 05:22:05 2020 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such In-Reply-To: References: <20200618013852.A0D75A0C68@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of us, but keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be an unknowingly brilliant move! Virtually any call I get from an unknown number Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a pretty good chance of being real. > On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller > wrote: > I don't answer most calls from numbers I > don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam' > button somewhere. > > The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the number spoofed. A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in my area code. 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If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be > legit, and not the spam caller. > > I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty. I make them > do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph... > > "Oh.? Do you have another vehicle?" > > "Yep.? A 1976 Triumph." > > *click* > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jmitch at snet.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My relatives know it's there and they wait, and if I expect to get a business call, I warn them in advance, and they wait, too.? In most instances, the robocalls and spammers are gone before the message is complete.? The rare instances of those from companies on the east coast threatening me with bogus legal action that are still relaying a threat when the message is over are met with me picking up the phone, and saying, "fraud is a felony."? Then I hang up and I don't hear from any of them for a few months until they get a new list of phone numbers and start all over again. Kinda low-tech, but it works. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirtbeard at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 06:48:41 2020 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (old dirtbeard) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20200617175326.04a4c1f8@cox.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20200617175326.04a4c1f8@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Eric, What a terrific accomplishment! The final product speaks highly of you. Congratulations on a job well done. Looks better than new. best, doug On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM John T. Blair wrote: > At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote: > > >I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and > comments. Check it out. > >This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in > the album and just the next > >arrow from there. > > > > *https* > ://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm > > > >Let me know what you think. > > Eric, > > Very impressive!!!! Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and > the corner rounds at the back of the cab? If so, that is unbelieveable!!! > That's something I > wished I'd learned how to do. > > My hat's off to you. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-9160179251064339252_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: www.team.net/morgan > Bricklin: www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhlocker at comcast.net Thu Jun 18 07:13:46 2020 From: dhlocker at comcast.net (Donald H Locker) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:13:46 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such In-Reply-To: References: <20200618013852.A0D75A0C68@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <53aab1b5-27b4-317f-7072-137a9fb037b8@comcast.net> My low-tech solution was to set my default ring tone to "silence.mp4" (which I recorded myself!) Real people with known numbers get a real ring tone. I'm not bothered by bogus rings, and anyone who needs to reach me leaves a message if I don't already have a ring tone for their number. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-06-17 10:06 p.m., John Miller wrote: > On 6/17/2020 6:37 PM, john niolon wrote: >> anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between >> 4:30 and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 >> numbers? and different caller id names, ?but the same " debt >> forgiveness" recorded message... if you hit a number to talk to >> someone to complain they just hang up? I can't find a way to stop >> them... looking for suggestions > > All my spam is in Chinese. I don't answer most calls from numbers I > don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam' > button somewhere. > > We've got NoMoRobo hooked up to the house xfinity voip, which usually > means it rings once and goes away.?? Haven't yet added it to my cell.? I > use a Google Voice number about half the time anyway. > > John. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker at comcast.net > From dreinsch at swbell.net Thu Jun 18 07:33:44 2020 From: dreinsch at swbell.net (Dwade Reinsch) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0646BDB6-F07B-4A6B-9DF1-B2E6E2EEBFF0@swbell.net> I have similar experience as Jim. All of our phone numbers have Texas area codes but we live in Atlanta Georgia.. I answer very few calls that I don?t recognize the number. If I have called a business and am expecting a call back I will answer Atlanta Georgia calls that are not in my contact list. Otherwise, if I don?t know you I don?t want to talk to you. Said with a smile! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?I know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of us, but keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be an unknowingly brilliant move! Virtually any call I get from an unknown number Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a pretty good chance of being real. > >> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller wrote: >>> I don't answer most calls from numbers I >>> don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam' >>> button somewhere. >> >> The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the number spoofed. A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in my area code. If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the spam caller. >> >> I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty. I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph... >> >> "Oh. Do you have another vehicle?" >> >> "Yep. A 1976 Triumph." >> >> *click* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dreinsch at swbell.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Thu Jun 18 09:55:58 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:55:58 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67CB9E13-C749-41FB-BCFA-C9E7572F50CD@groupwbench.org> That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement? jim > On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Thu Jun 18 12:03:17 2020 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:03:17 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... In-Reply-To: <67CB9E13-C749-41FB-BCFA-C9E7572F50CD@groupwbench.org> References: <67CB9E13-C749-41FB-BCFA-C9E7572F50CD@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: No, there are no markings, and it does not open in anyway. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? From: Jim Franklin To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Date: 06/18/2020 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Sent by: "Shop-talk" That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement? jim On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Thu Jun 18 12:12:25 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... In-Reply-To: References: <67CB9E13-C749-41FB-BCFA-C9E7572F50CD@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <678BEB00-F20D-4547-B1F1-BF505807CF78@groupwbench.org> A friend says: "Board supporter thing for holding the other end of a long board or piece of mill work during a sequence of cross cuts?" I'm thinking a loop gauge, for repeated measuring of a length of string/ribbon etc. I love this old what is it stuff :-) jim > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:03 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > No, there are no markings, and it does not open in anyway. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > > > > From: Jim Franklin > To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Date: 06/18/2020 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > > > > That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement? > > jim > > On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote: > > Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf at groupwbench.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenix722 at comcast.net Thu Jun 18 15:08:55 2020 From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:08:55 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... In-Reply-To: <67CB9E13-C749-41FB-BCFA-C9E7572F50CD@groupwbench.org> References: <67CB9E13-C749-41FB-BCFA-C9E7572F50CD@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <55fd827b-1a29-a8e3-38f3-c6c071c93a21@comcast.net> Looks like a rare adjustable toilet paper holder. Mike On 6/18/2020 8:55 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > > > _https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/_ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sun Jun 21 11:06:28 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:06:28 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Has anyone used fix-a-floor? Message-ID: <539CF063-87BC-4D62-955D-1D7F2CF09AFD@groupwbench.org> I have a lot of partially loose kitchen floor tiles. Before I do the unthinkable I'd like to try a shortcut. I've seen a few videos of this product, plus one of a guy injecting epoxy under the loose tile. Have you had any success (or failure) with anything like this? thanks, jim From patintexas at icloud.com Sun Jun 21 11:14:13 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 12:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Has anyone used fix-a-floor? In-Reply-To: <539CF063-87BC-4D62-955D-1D7F2CF09AFD@groupwbench.org> References: <539CF063-87BC-4D62-955D-1D7F2CF09AFD@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <29DE85B4-2D50-409E-A0B5-34355A636BD7@icloud.com> Jim, Before I?d try anything like this I?d look into why the tile(s) came loose to start with. If there is a continuing cause for the failure, resetting the tile will be temporary At best. If the cause has been corrected, then go ahead & try something. If it works, great! Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 21, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: ?I have a lot of partially loose kitchen floor tiles. Before I do the unthinkable I'd like to try a shortcut. I've seen a few videos of this product, plus one of a guy injecting epoxy under the loose tile. Have you had any success (or failure) with anything like this? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From jibrooks at live.com Wed Jun 10 09:31:38 2020 From: jibrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:31:38 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com>, <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet. Leave it on there for at least a week. You may need to boost it with a charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for saving the battery I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months. What they claim it does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the battery. I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as a precaution. The dying batteries are still running strong. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Fri Jun 12 06:54:30 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? In-Reply-To: References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <77138597.2290619.1591966470320@mail.yahoo.com> That's an option.? What else do they have in Salt Lake City?? Oh, yeah, salt.? ;-) Seriously, lava, crushed concrete, anything that will pack tightly and won't dissolve in the the rain would work best. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Mark J Bradakis ; shop-talk at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2020 7:15 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark J Bradakis wrote: On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.? Pea gravel > will flow and will not be as stable.? Ask me how I know. > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. Crushed lava? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patintexas at icloud.com Sat Jun 13 14:59:32 2020 From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? In-Reply-To: <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> References: <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> Message-ID: <3DF0F0CB-359F-4E45-8311-C52B715D259F@icloud.com> I got around low air flow on a small pancake air compressor I use on a Habitat construction site to run air nailers. I just add a second tank near where air is needed with a hose to the compressor. I used a 20 gallon propane tank but any tank that will stand the pressure will work. Helps quite a bit. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: ?Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one. jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > > I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't > want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll > be glad you did. > > Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - > makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc > - Lee > >> On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: >> >>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger >> >> >> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air >> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? >> >> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator >> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform >> a regular tool. >>> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas at icloud.com From fishplate at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 05:06:04 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:06:04 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM wrote: > Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me. The wood is the face > of the fence. The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection. > More specifically, I think a joiner fence. Note that one fence is adjustable to account for material removed by the tool. > > Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has > been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... > > > > *https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/* > > When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field coils". But if it was that, why the set screw? You would need it to be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a finished coil. So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms? They look kind of pointy sharp. But then why is it cylindrical? I can't figure that part out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at leatherplates.com Thu Jun 18 11:02:10 2020 From: steve at leatherplates.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6161F112261A4DEBA127B304650DB983@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> I agree that it?s a table top tool for joiner/shaper/router. I?m leaning to the joiner fence theory, but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small dedicated tool for a specific function. Question: is there any Shop Talk members that can use it? I?d gladly mail it to anybody that wants it for the cost of shipping. Anybody? Let me know. Steve Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM To: eric at megageek.com Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net ; Steve Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM wrote: Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me. The wood is the face of the fence. The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection. More specifically, I think a joiner fence. Note that one fence is adjustable to account for material removed by the tool. Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field coils". But if it was that, why the set screw? You would need it to be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a finished coil. So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms? They look kind of pointy sharp. But then why is it cylindrical? I can't figure that part out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jem at milleredp.com Sun Jun 21 13:37:12 2020 From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 12:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> Message-ID: > I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. > I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely > crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week > or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months. I have a Noco Genius 7200 charger, and it works reasonably well for that, there are times that you need to charge on the 6V setting long enough for the charger to find enough life in the battery to 'recondition' from. John. From fishplate at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 13:42:43 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 15:42:43 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> Message-ID: This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal. When it was fully discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of the cells. Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up. I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a "dead" battery. On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks wrote: > Yes a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet. Leave it > on there for at least a week. You may need to boost it with a charger if > it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for > saving the battery > > I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. I > have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank > the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more > and now they work great even in the cold winter months. What they claim it > does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what > eventually kills the battery. > > I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as > a precaution. The dying batteries are still running strong. > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Sun Jun 21 14:53:04 2020 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:53:04 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? In-Reply-To: References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> Message-ID: I've heard of people putting EDTA into batteries, but I don't know if that was a fad or needs to work in conjunction with a charging regimen that no one wanted to follow. jim > On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal. When it was fully discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of the cells. Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up. I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a "dead" battery. > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks > wrote: > Yes a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet. Leave it on there for at least a week. You may need to boost it with a charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for saving the battery > > I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months. What they claim it does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the battery. > > I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as a precaution. 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URL: From gsteve at hammatt.com Sun Jun 21 14:26:42 2020 From: gsteve at hammatt.com (Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... In-Reply-To: <6161F112261A4DEBA127B304650DB983@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> References: <6161F112261A4DEBA127B304650DB983@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Message-ID: <88BE2ED7406B450FB644AE088EF155A3@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Taken, and it apparently is for a pin router. Thanks Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Steve Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:02 AM To: Jeff Scarbrough ; eric at megageek.com Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... I agree that it?s a table top tool for joiner/shaper/router. I?m leaning to the joiner fence theory, but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small dedicated tool for a specific function. Question: is there any Shop Talk members that can use it? I?d gladly mail it to anybody that wants it for the cost of shipping. Anybody? Let me know. Steve Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM To: eric at megageek.com Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net ; Steve Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM wrote: Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me. The wood is the face of the fence. The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection. More specifically, I think a joiner fence. Note that one fence is adjustable to account for material removed by the tool. Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field coils". But if it was that, why the set screw? You would need it to be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a finished coil. So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms? They look kind of pointy sharp. But then why is it cylindrical? I can't figure that part out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve at hammatt.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Wed Jun 24 08:41:46 2020 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:41:46 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay Message-ID: I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/ but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn? I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what I'd need for the marine horn. Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for some suggestions. thanks all tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdinnis at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 08:47:35 2020 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to the specs, the relay you have should be good for 30 amps. That should be plenty for any horn. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Tim . wrote: > I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn: > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. > > I have the relay that came with this horn: > https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/ but I wonder if > it will work for/with the marine horn? > > I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea > what I'd need for the marine horn. > > Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for > some suggestions. > > thanks all > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jblair1948 at cox.net Wed Jun 24 09:03:08 2020 From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 11:03:08 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20200624105637.04a52f00@cox.net> At 10:41 AM 6/24/2020, Tim . wrote: >I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn: >https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. Tim, That's not a problem. >I have the relay that came with this horn: > https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/ >but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn? Yes it will work, IF you are NOT using that horn with the marine horn. I see that your older horn draws 16amps so the 30A relay is great. But I didn't see anything it the ad for the marine horn as to how much current it requires. So my guess would be, it will draw about the same or a little more than your older horn. >I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what I'd >need for the marine horn. Any 12V 30Amp or greater relay will work. I like the "Bosch" type automotive relays, similar to this: https://www.allelectronics.com/item/rly-351/12vdc-spdt-40a-automotive-relay/1.html You should be able to get some thing at your local automotive part store. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948 at cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Wed Jun 24 10:13:09 2020 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 12:13:09 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? Message-ID: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus?? Gimmicky or are they worth it?? I'm toying with the idea of putting one on my 4Runner.? The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not too concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be putting a lot of faith in that plug spring. What do you say? J From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Jun 24 10:17:09 2020 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? In-Reply-To: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> References: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> Message-ID: <4c160d13-5f5f-22ac-38df-f101cb08e9d8@comcast.net> FWIW, we had one on a Continental O-520 aircraft engine in a Bonanza, and it worked fine (reliability was a bit of a concern). Can't speak to the auto types, though. On 6/24/2020 9:13 AM, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: > What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus? > Gimmicky or are they worth it?? I'm toying with the idea of putting > one on my 4Runner.? The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm > not too concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like > I'd be putting a lot of faith in that plug spring. > > What do you say? > > > J From maynerdfamily at msn.com Wed Jun 24 10:21:03 2020 From: maynerdfamily at msn.com (Brian and Wendy Warrick) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 16:21:03 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? In-Reply-To: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> References: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> Message-ID: I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained all over the cross member. I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can use a short piece of vinyl hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so. Back when I was doing oil changes and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over the road semi trucks, I installed them on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam III's all the time. Never a problem. It really made oil changes nice, especially when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had an hour to turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil plug! Brian Warrick Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jimmie Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus? Gimmicky or are they worth it? I'm toying with the idea of putting one on my 4Runner. The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not too concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be putting a lot of faith in that plug spring. What do you say? J _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/maynerdfamily at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Wed Jun 24 12:54:50 2020 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:54:50 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks guys. I was hoping to not have to buy anything else. (that bad boy horn was a frelling horrible high pitches POS of a horn btw) ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 9:41 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/ but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn? I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what I'd need for the marine horn. Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for some suggestions. thanks all tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterwmurray at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 18:19:41 2020 From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:19:41 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? In-Reply-To: References: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> Message-ID: I had a Fumoto on my 2005 Subaru Outback XT, and every mechanic who changed the oil loved it. Never had any leaking or other issues. I did order one for my 2008 Audi S4 Avant, but the one they specified for my car (F106S) did NOT fit. Anyone need one of those? I have it here still, in the bag. M15-1.5, with the 5mm nipple. -Peter On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM Brian and Wendy Warrick < maynerdfamily at msn.com> wrote: > I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained > all over the cross member. I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can > use a short piece of vinyl hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem > with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so. > > > Back when I was doing oil changes and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over > the road semi trucks, I installed them on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam > III's all the time. Never a problem. It really made oil changes nice, > especially when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had > an hour to turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil > plug! > > > Brian Warrick > > Nampa, ID > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Jimmie > Mayfield > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM > *To:* Shop-talk at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? > > What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus? > Gimmicky or are they worth it? I'm toying with the idea of putting one > on my 4Runner. The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not too > concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be > putting a lot of faith in that plug spring. > > What do you say? > > > J > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/maynerdfamily at msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jniolon at att.net Fri Jun 26 09:50:42 2020 From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans References: <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9.ref@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9@johns-desktop> any of you guys use a battery operated fan (dewalt, Milwaukee, etc) What run time do you get on a standard 18 or 20 volt battery... thinking about car shows and keeping my wife comfortable. Got the canopy, the cooler and chairs but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly hot... john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeels at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 10:13:41 2020 From: rbeels at yahoo.com (Richard Beels) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 12:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? In-Reply-To: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> References: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> Message-ID: Had Fumoto plugs since the 90s. Their springs are solid. Never had a problem... You will drain out a little less oil since the threaded portion of the plug remains in the pan and the effective relative height of the opening is higher off the "floor" of the pan - but it's minimal. At 06/24/2020 at 12:13, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Jimmie Mayfield's keyboard and said: >What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like >Fumoto and Stahlbus?? Gimmicky or are they >worth it?? I'm toying with the idea of putting >one on my 4Runner.? The oil pan is protected by >a skid plate so I'm not too concerned about >debris snagging the plug but it does seem like >I'd be putting a lot of faith in that plug >spring. What do you say? J >_______________________________________________ >Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: >http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual >donation $12.96 Archive: >http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >http://autox.team.net/archive >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rbeels at yahoo.com Cheers! From peterwmurray at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 11:03:01 2020 From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:03:01 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans In-Reply-To: <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9@johns-desktop> References: <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9@johns-desktop> Message-ID: I don't use any battery operated fans, but I would probably look at a USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or a jump-start pack with USB power). Of course, being the tremendous hack that I am, my first thought was a computer case fan connected to a 12V battery, but I don't know your wife's cooling requirements. -Peter On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM john niolon wrote: > any of you guys use a battery operated fan (dewalt, Milwaukee, etc) > What run time do you get on a standard 18 or 20 volt battery... thinking > about car shows > and keeping my wife comfortable. Got the canopy, the cooler and chairs > but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly hot... > > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From miq at bigllama.com Fri Jun 26 11:16:39 2020 From: miq at bigllama.com (Miq Millman) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:16:39 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans In-Reply-To: References: <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9@johns-desktop> Message-ID: Maybe try something like this USB powered mini AC unit: https://www.newegg.com/p/0FJ-01RC-00002 You should be able to use it with either a car USB adapter or a portable battery pack. -- __ Miq Millman miq at bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Peter Murray wrote: > I don't use any battery operated fans, but I would probably look at a > USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or a jump-start pack > with USB power). > > Of course, being the tremendous hack that I am, my first thought was a > computer case fan connected to a 12V battery, but I don't know your wife's > cooling requirements. > > -Peter > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM john niolon wrote: > >> any of you guys use a battery operated fan (dewalt, Milwaukee, etc) >> What run time do you get on a standard 18 or 20 volt battery... thinking >> about car shows >> and keeping my wife comfortable. Got the canopy, the cooler and chairs >> but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly hot... >> >> john >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq at bigllama.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: